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Posted at 2:08 PM ET, 02/ 8/2011

Pete King: No law enforcement officials will substantiate my claims about Muslims

By Greg Sargent

As you know, Pete King is planning hearings into the radicalization of Muslim communities. He's now opened up a bit to The New York Times on what the focus of those hearings will be, and unless I'm missing something, he's put himself in a real box:

Representative Peter T. King, Republican of New York, said he would rely on Muslims to make his case that American Muslim leaders have failed to cooperate with law enforcement officials in the effort to disrupt terrorist plots -- a claim that was rebutted in recent reports by counterterrorism experts and in a forum on Monday.

So the focus of the hearings is on proving that American Muslim leaders have allegedly failed to cooperate with law enforcement officials in disrupting terror plots. That would seem to give folks an opening to make King look pretty silly, by asking: Can you please produce some law enforcement officials who will testify to this?

Oh, wait, King is refusing to do that. Rather than ask law enforcement officials to testify, he's going to rely on the testimony of Arabs and Muslims to verify it:

"I believe it will have more of an impact on the American people if they see people who are of the Muslim faith and Arab descent testifying," Mr. King said.

So, why no effort to solicit the testimony of law enforcement professionals? Well, The Times story gives us the answer to that question in this priceless detail from King, buried way at the bottom:

He said he did not expect to call any of the local law enforcement or counterintelligence experts who he said had told him repeatedly that noncooperation by American Muslims is a "significant issue." He says they will say these things privately, but not in public.

It's not easy to wrap one's head around such buffoonery, but let's try. Is King really telling us that law enforcement officials believe that noncooperation by American Muslims with efforts to halt terrorism plots is a "significant issue," but that they won't say so out loud, even though this noncooperation is presumably putting American lives at risk?

I've asked a spokesman for King if he's lined up anyone -- Arabs, Muslims, law enforcement officials, you name it -- who is willing to back up his claims, and I'll update you if I hear back. King should be pressed to prove his assertions. I really hope folks don't let King skate with any more of this kind of nonsense.

By Greg Sargent  | February 8, 2011; 2:08 PM ET
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Comments

Greg,

How is what Peter King(an apt name indeed) doing not considered to be hate speech, and religious discrimination? He sounds like he would have felt quite at home in the old KKK, except for that little nagging obstacle, that they would have wanted to hang him for being a Roman Catholic.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 8, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

How is this IRA terrorist supporter the head of any committee?

Posted by: flounder2 | February 8, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Let's see--was Rep. King having a few drinks with some of his law enforcement pals when the subject of the noncooperation of Arab leaders came up, and by GAWD, there is a real problem there. Then, in the cold light of a morning's hangover, no one could quite remember who said what.

Is that how it happened? You could go into the Roundup Bar any Friday night and hear the same conversation.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | February 8, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone outside the Muslim community give a fig about this??

How could they??

Posted by: battleground51 | February 8, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

first, i agree with you that this is nonsense and pointless.

"that they won't say so out loud, even though this noncooperation is presumably putting American lives at risk?"

meh. he wouldn't be the first to rely on anonymous sources for no good reason. I don't find it that unbelievable that he could find a couple of law enforcement types to gripe about PC run amok or something like that.

also, there's an ad campaign on Metro buses here in DC -- something about urging Muslims to speak up. have only see it in passing (literally).

Posted by: NoVAHockey | February 8, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

also -- what does non-cooperation mean? I could see as mosque or a Muslim family asserting its 4th amendment rights to be twisted into non-cooperation.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | February 8, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

He said he did not expect to call any of the local law enforcement or counterintelligence experts who he said had told him repeatedly that noncooperation by American Muslims is a "significant issue." He says they will say these things privately, but not in public.
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I'll bet if he serves bourbon at those hearings, that'll loosen their tongues.

Bwhahahaha!!!

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | February 8, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone outside the Muslim community give a fig about this??

How could they??

Posted by: battleground51 | February 8, 2011 2:24 PM

....................

I do because: "they came for the jews....................."

Posted by: Liam-still | February 8, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse

"he would rely on Muslims to make his case that American Muslim leaders have failed to cooperate with law enforcement officials in the effort to disrupt terrorist plots"


WTF? How's he planning to do this? I get that he's not going to call law enforcement to testify because they won't. So what's he gonna do...call Muslims to testify that they won't cooperate with law enforcement? If they won't cooperate with law enforcement, why would they cooperate with a two-bit congressman? Jeebus.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 8, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

If no one outside the Muslim community cares about this, Rep King would **not** be having hearings.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | February 8, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone outside the Muslim community give a fig about this??

How could they??

Posted by: battleground51 | February 8, 2011 2:24 PM
.......................

I do because:

They came for The Japanese Americans, and..............

Posted by: Liam-still | February 8, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

So much for the left's demands for civility.

Here we have MR Sargent blithely calling Mr King a liar. How civil of him.

So in the future should I find something Mr Obama states to be,shall we say less than believable, I am free to call him a liar and not risk the wrath of the liberal PC police.

that's nice.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 8, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"Rep King would not be having hearings. "

Remember that old 60's saying..."What if we had a war and no one showed up?"

What if King has a hearing at which NO ONE testifies?

LOL

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 8, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

If they won't cooperate with law enforcement, why would they cooperate with a two-bit congressman? Jeebus.
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Sue, you just need to imagine the Perry Mason moments that could come from this.

Imagine this: Perry (King) mildly asks the gotcha question of all time from which there is no escape, and the Arab American gulps, and then confesses "you got me. I can't lie no more. I didn't tell them that my neighbor's son's friend's neighbor said he owns a box cutter."

Della and Paul (the base) watch admiringly from the gallery. There's no one like you, Perry, they sigh...

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | February 8, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse

@Greg: I could be mistaken but I thought the main focus of the hearing was the radicalization of American Muslims by overseas Al Qaeda entities and Imams?

Although the "chance for terrorist violence among American Muslims is very marginal and... isolated... “The threat clearly exists... but it is not a pandemic.”

In addition, there are at least three cases of American Muslims plotting to commit acts of terror. And, of course, there is the case of "Nidal Malik Hasan, the suspected Ft. Hood shooter, [who] worshipped at a mosque in Falls Church, Va., where U.S.-born radical cleric Anwar Awlaki was once a spiritual leader."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-na-american-muslims-20110116,0,7698884.story

Posted by: sbj3 | February 8, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

It is only where people outside a targeted group's community, turn a blind eye, that ethnic cleansing, concentration camps, and campaigns of extermination can flourish.

It is up to all we non-muslims to defend their freedoms. If we do not defend their freedoms, we are selling out our own.

Peter King is just the second coming of Joseph McCarthy. He holds in his hands a piece of paper......

Posted by: Liam-still | February 8, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Now, now haters. Assuming he pays them for their testimony at least the Republicans will finally begin to make good on their campaign promises- i.e. creating jobs.
While part time temporary employment is probably not going to satisfy anyone, what will really stick in the craw of the conservatariat is...gulp...these are gubmint, part time, temporary jobs.
Still it's a start.

Posted by: dijetlau | February 8, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

sbj: "And, of course, there is the case of "Nidal Malik Hasan, the suspected Ft. Hood shooter, [who] worshipped at a mosque in Falls Church, Va., where U.S.-born radical cleric Anwar Awlaki was once a spiritual leader."

US Army knew all about Hasan, having noted his unusual behavior for a long time, and yet they did not do anything about it, and instead, promoted him. His case has nothing to do with Muslims not cooperating with law enforcement, and everything to do with the military overlooking a certain problem within.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 8, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Law enforcement officials will have told Mr. King that it relies heavily on Muslim Americans to unravel threats like the prospective Denver-NY bomber and the prospective Dallas bomber, who were tracked long before they could do damage. They also may have told him that American imams have not been helpful. This may be true and may be part of the clerical undertaking - priests don't inform, either.

I could imagine that misunderstanding of role taking root in a febrile imagination. Mr. King is under pressure from the leadership to discard the "Muslim" hearings. He will probably come under more pressure from DHLS and FBI to leave their sources "covered", as well.

Above is my speculation about a great deal - except that I have personal knowledge of the active cooperation of the Austin Muslim community with FBI.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 8, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

OK, so a few liberal worrywarts get their beetlebrows in a scrunch over some obscure Muslim thing going on somewhere.

Muslims are, by far, their own worst enemies. This is obvious.

I was wrong and will admit it.

Only about 99.999999999999999999999% of Americans do NOT give a hoot about the subject. Sorry.

You other three have at it.

Posted by: battleground51 | February 8, 2011 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Guys like Peter King are actually making it easier for guys like Bin Laden to make their sales pitch to Muslim nations.

Just imagine Peter King singling out the American Muslim Community, and holding televised hearing to demonstrate that they are not welcome in America. That should play well in all those Muslim nations where we need their cooperation, in order to be able to defeat Al-Qaeda.

Peter King should be charged with engaging in hate speech, and also should be given a life sentence for aiding and abetting Bin Laden.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 8, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

@sue: "US Army knew all about Hasan... His case has nothing to do with Muslims not cooperating with law enforcement."

So true, they did know all about him and it's a tragedy that more wasn't done.

However, the King hearings are about the radicalization of American Muslims NOT solely about a failure to cooperate with law enforcement.

Posted by: sbj3 | February 8, 2011 3:04 PM | Report abuse

If no one cares about this, why is Rep King using the time and resources of the US House of Representatives to investigate it?

Posted by: pragmaticagain | February 8, 2011 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"If no one cares about this, why is Rep King using the time and resources of the US House of Representatives to investigate it?"

Because these worthless invesigations that guys like King and Issa are mounting are being used for one thing only - GOP fodder against Obama in the 2012 election.

Posted by: filmnoia | February 8, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Nothing to do with nothing, but this is some irony. Man attending cockfight killed by, er, coc, nope... Won't write it. Killed by rooster.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/02/07/rooster-kills-man-attending-cockfight/

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | February 8, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Oh (I hiss), I found the link on Drudge.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | February 8, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Senator Lugar kicks over The Tea Kettle.

Good for him. From Politicalwire.com

"Bonus Quote of the Day
"I've got to say 'Get real'. I hear Tea Party or other people talking about they were against START. I said 'Well, now, hang on here.' If you want to get into START, let's talk about it, but realistically as Americans, not as some Republican renegade. I'm trying to take warheads of Russia out of circulation so they won't hit Indiana."

-- Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN), in an interview with WANE-TV, taking on the Tea Party."

Posted by: Liam-still | February 8, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

The Russians *HATE* hoosiers.

Posted by: sbj3 | February 8, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Has Paul Ryan found his 2009 Health Care Reform bill yet?

Did it ever exist, or was he just using The Big Lie tactic?

Posted by: Liam-still | February 8, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse

McCarthyism at its best!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

Posted by: Onnan | February 8, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey, why wasn't the START treaty signing done in public? I thought it saved the world from nucular annihilation or something?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | February 8, 2011 3:30 PM | Report abuse

@sbj - Can you blame them?

King wants an answer he's already convinced of. He's going to proceed in order to arrive there and no where else.

But filmnoia has it right in a the larger context. This is a repeat of the strategy used against Clinton - "investigations" of everything under the moon. The purpose is not merely to find something (though that's the hope) but to convey a notion of corruption or some other negative simply through running investigations. The waste of taxpayer dollars then and now isn't just related to the cost of these operations but to the use of these elected officials (and their teams) for activities which are entirely unrelated to the taxpayers' needs.

Posted by: bernielatham | February 8, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

sbj: "However, the King hearings are about the radicalization of American Muslims NOT solely about a failure to cooperate with law enforcement. "

And so since you agree that Hasan was a known problem, how, exactly, is King's hearings going to uncover something unknown? If we had lots of incidents in the US that weren't thwarted by law enforcement, then an investigation could be warranted. But that's not the case. Muslims seeking to do harm (as well as radicalized Tea Baggers) are caught all the time. Seems to me we have good intelligence and cooperation, so what's the point?

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 8, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Since The Onion can not cover every story:

I must pitch in and help:

This just in:

Pro-Nuclear Armageddon Tea Party members outraged at the ratification of The START treaty.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 8, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Congressman King's own diocese


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/04/nyregion/despite-bishop-s-apologies-sexual-abuse-issue-lingers.html?ref=williamfmurphy

I'm sure he will hold hearings

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/a-secret-shame-inside-the-latest-scandal-to-rock-the-catholic-church-1739889.html

Posted by: MerrillFrank | February 8, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

This just in(The Onion is really not staying on top of things today)

Congressman Keith Ellison to hold hearing on the radicalization of The American Christian Communities, based on the terror acts committed by people from that community, including the Oklahoma City Bombing, The Abortion Clinic Bombings, The thousands of lynchings of African Americans, the fire bombing of their churches, and the assassinations of their civil rights leaders.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 8, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Bernie:

""King wants an answer he's already convinced of. He's going to proceed in order to arrive there and no where else.""

Which makes him different from most other congressmen calling for hearings....how exactly?

Posted by: ScottC3 | February 8, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

@bernie and sue: I understand that one of the main points of the hearings is to explore the alienation of young American Muslims and determine some of the reasons why some are turning into radicals willing to plot terror acts. (There are more than a few examples.)

I believe this is a worthwhile area to hold hearings on and to investigate further.

Posted by: sbj3 | February 8, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Bernie, Get out our scrub-brush. The comments barnacle is trying to reattach itself.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 8, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

They will never capture The Incandescent Light Bulbs future, if they keep focusing their research on this sort of technology.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2011/0208/1224289257260.html

"Mobile masts may be thing of past thanks to Irish research

KARLIN LILLINGTON

Tue, Feb 08, 2011

UGLY MOBILE masts and bulky base stations may become eyesores of the past thanks to key contributions by an Irish research group to smaller, energy-saving network components launched yesterday.

“This is a radical overhaul of how mobile networks are built,” Adolfo Hernandez, president of Alcatel-Lucent EMEA (Europe, Middle East and Africa) region, told The Irish Times.

“If you look at the way networks are built today, the ‘real estate’ requirement is quite big. We’ve gone in with a completely different approach.”

Alcatel-Lucent said its miniaturised LightRadio antennas, amplifiers and processors eliminate the need for standalone mobile masts.

The hatbox-sized units can be discreetly mounted on streetlamps, buildings, telephone poles or bus shelters.

The company said the small units would deliver combined 2G, 3G and 4G networks, rather than needing separate networks, and require half as much energy to run.

Alcatel-Lucent’s Bell Labs research group in Dublin developed the major innovations in communications antenna design and energy management that form a critical part of the LightYear platform.

“This was an Irish-led project,” said Mr Hernandez, and included contributions from research teams at other Bell Labs centres in Europe, the United States and China.

Bell Labs, the historic American research lab behind such pivotal technology developments as the transistor, established an Irish centre in Blanchardstown in 2005 with €25 million in support funding from IDA Ireland.

Last year, Alcatel-Lucent, which owns Bell Labs, announced it would add 70 additional research positions at the lab over the following five years.

Mr Hernandez said LightRadio would ready networks for the bandwidth demands coming over the next few years as operators rollout the next generation of mobile multimedia technology, 4G, which is expected to increase consumer demand for video.

The new platform also could revolutionise the developing world, as cheaper networks can be built anywhere there is access to power.

Mr Hernandez expects a gradual adoption of the new networks and for hybrid systems, a mix of old and new, to be the norm for the next few years."

Posted by: Liam-still | February 8, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

sbj: "I understand that one of the main points of the hearings is to explore the alienation of young American Muslims"

It might be a good idea for Mr. King to be able to show that young American Muslims are alienated, past a couple or three examples. There is no preponderance of evidence that what Mr. King is attempting to investigate even exists.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 8, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

@ScottC3: "Which makes him different from most other congressmen calling for hearings....how exactly?"

Makes him exactly like most of 'em, but, still, I'm in the: "Seriously? Show trials?" camp. And the further it goes, the more I'm wondering what kind of there is actually **there**, at least in terms of meriting trials. And all this public showiness looks very P.T. Barnum to me.

Perhaps he thinks there's a legitimate concern that needs to be investigated, but so far it doesn't sound like much.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 8, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Young people tend to be alienated from the previous generation, which was also alienated, in their youth; with the notable exception of The Young Republicans, who are always born old, and who's first words always are: "get off of my lawn!"

Posted by: Liam-still | February 8, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

scott said: "Which makes him different from most other congressmen calling for hearings....how exactly?"

Good point! You've noticed then that you, me, RainForest, Bill Kristol, the Pope and Charlie Manson are all motivated by exactly the same drives and concerns and that we proceed through live and community in exactly the same way.

Posted by: bernielatham | February 8, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

@sue: "It might be a good idea for Mr. King to be able to show that young American Muslims are alienated."

Well there's this Pew poll (that King has repeatedly referenced)...

"There is somewhat more acceptance of Islamic extremism in some segments of the U.S. Muslim public than others. Fewer native-born African American Muslims than others completely condemn al Qaeda. In addition, younger Muslims in the U.S. are much more likely than older Muslim Americans to say that suicide bombing in the defense of Islam can be at least sometimes justified.

"... Relatively few Muslim Americans believe the U.S.-led war on terror is a sincere effort to reduce terrorism, and many doubt that Arabs were responsible for the 9/11 attacks. Just 40% of Muslim Americans say groups of Arabs carried out those attacks."

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/483/muslim-americans

Posted by: sbj3 | February 8, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

This just in.

Bin Laden releases audio tape to laud congressman Peter King's holding of show trials to alienate all Muslims.

Said Bin Laden, Mr King, you are worth more than a thousand suicide bombers to me.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 8, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

"The Young Republicans, who are always born old, and who's first words always are: "get off of my lawn!"

Please. I had the butler deal with the them.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | February 8, 2011 4:19 PM | Report abuse

OT, but notable...

"Failed GOP Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell is back, and she's telling supporters she wants her newly formed political action committee ChristinePAC to "investigate and counter attack leftwing groups."

O'Donnell, who wrote that her losing campaign sent "shockwaves" throughout the nation, said in an e-mail to supporters Tuesday that her group will look into the groups "funded with one million dollars or more from billionaire leftist George Soros."

"The Left keeps after me because they consider strong, Republican women a danger to their status quo," O'Donnell wrote. "Your donation also enables me to speak out in many venues from Coast to Coast, thereby helping support a nationwide effort. This is a way that will help me counter attack our opponents and bring the battle to them."

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/christine_odonnell_will_use_committee_to_investigative_left-wing_groups.php?ref=fpb

Aside from the McCarthy model and aside from the "shock waves" (even the poorly funded geology schools noted them) there's the "strong Republican women" being a "danger" to liberals' status quo.

How would that last thing work? Dems have and have had more women in positions of power and influence, Dems have supported women's rights far more than have Republicans (who've often tried to turn back gains in equality), etc. So what status quo is actually being referenced here?

Posted by: bernielatham | February 8, 2011 4:23 PM | Report abuse

All, here's a take on the Dem plan to nix corporate contributions to the convention, which I maintain is somewhat important:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/02/dnc_plan_to_nix_corporate_cont.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | February 8, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

So in other words, King's entire investigation (and use of American tax dollars) is based on undocumented hearsay from a law enforcement agency.

Which agency...the SS?

Posted by: Beeliever | February 8, 2011 4:30 PM | Report abuse

battleground wins teh internetz' "Nothing To See Here" award.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 8, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

sbj: "Well there's this Pew poll (that King has repeatedly referenced)..."


LOLOLOLOL....we are going to launch congressional investigations because of a Pew Poll?

LOLOLOLOL

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 8, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Conservative talk radio and Fox News host Glenn Beck called for an invasion of the United Kingdom on Friday to head off what he called an attempt by the British to re-establish America as a colony, as well as the rest of the British Empire.

Beck said he recently saw a documentary on "the British invasion" of rock bands during the 1960s and realized it was the cause of recent unrest in Egypt and the Islamic world overall, given that Britain once had colonies in the Middle East.

"Make no mistake this is all part of a trend," Beck said as he put album covers from The Beatles, the Rolling Stones and The Dave Clark Five on his chalkboard. He also put up pictures of Saddam Hussein, Adolph Hitler and, for some unclear reason, Lenny Kosnowksi from the 1970s-era sitcom Laverne & Shirley. He then drew circles, lines and smiley faces to link these disparate elements together, along with the date "1776" and "War of 1812."

(continued...)
http://www.thechicagodope.com/2011/02/05/glenn-beck-demands-war-with-britain/

Posted by: Mikeystyle | February 8, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Bernie:

""You've noticed then that you, me, RainForest, Bill Kristol, the Pope and Charlie Manson are all motivated by exactly the same drives and concerns and that we proceed through live and community in exactly the same way.""

Well, not exactly, although that is a good effort to expand my observation beyond what it was and into absurdity.

What I have noticed is that if King has already made a determination about the thing that the hearings are ostensibly designed to investigate, he's hardly distinguished from other congressmen in doing so.

In other words, he's doing what congressmen do. I know you don't like it when I point that out after you think you've identified a particularly outrageous example of conservative political perfidy. But, well, there it is.

Posted by: ScottC3 | February 8, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

@sue: So are you denying that there is evidence of the widespread alienation amongst American Muslim youth?

Even after I showed you the evidence?

And your response is "LOLOLOLOL"?

I thought you were better than that. I thought that you were one of those who might at least question their own opinions, if even for only a moment, after being presented with evidence to the contrary.

Pity.

Posted by: sbj3 | February 8, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

bernie,

Shorter Christine O'Donnell: "Send money, I need to pay my rent."

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 8, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

@sue - and there's the cost of fresh wiccan spells to beat back the clitoral noise

@Scott - sorry but your broad paint brush does no work other than to let you off the hook in making discriminations.

Posted by: bernielatham | February 8, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

sbj,

I lived in the heart of East Dearborn, Michigan for over five years, and at it's periphery for 20 more. Google it. It's the largest Arab community outside the ME. I know a lot of Muslim and Arab people personally, and have for most of my life. My deceased husband was a Jordanian American, second generation.

King's Pew Poll does not impress me, absent evidence of actions being taken by radicalized Muslims that are not being thwarted by intelligence and law enforcement. Where is THAT evidence?

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 8, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Kevin:

""Makes him exactly like most of 'em, but, still, I'm in the: "Seriously? Show trials?" camp.""

I hate these kinds of "hearings", particualrly the ones that are televised. The politicians preen for the cameras, they ask loaded questions, if they actually get around to asking questions at all after pontificating for the audience. (One huge benefit of having Biden as vp is that we no longer have to listen to his incoherent ramblings at Senate hearings.) The only thing edifying about them in the slightest is they show just how shallow politicians can be.

Posted by: ScottC3 | February 8, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Post here by Digby that some of you will like (takes Obama to task in a big way) but follow her link to the Kuttner piece and read what he says about Alterman's new book. Some of you will tend towards a similar view but recognize, I expect, that my view is very close to Alterman's (I have the book on order).

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/christine_odonnell_will_use_committee_to_investigative_left-wing_groups.php?ref=fpb

Posted by: bernielatham | February 8, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, correct link here

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2011/02/kabuki-revival.html

Posted by: bernielatham | February 8, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Bernie:

""sorry but your broad paint brush does no work other than to let you off the hook in making discriminations.""

Yeah, I know, that's what you always say. But generally speaking the only thing that really seems to "discriminate" 2 seeming alike political acts in your telling is whether or not that actor has an R or a D next to his name. I don't find that as significant a "discriminator" as you apparently do.

Posted by: ScottC3 | February 8, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

This topic is like The Hans Christian Andersen Story, about the King's new clothes.

Peter King has just put himself on the same level as that crackpot preacher who was going to burn copies of the Koran.

Yet almost all Conservatives on Plumline, are still admiring the tailoring and wonderful embroidery on Peter King's birthday suit.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 8, 2011 5:10 PM | Report abuse

"Yet almost all Conservatives on Plumline, are still admiring the tailoring and wonderful embroidery on Peter King's birthday suit."

Paging Scott's broadbrush. Scott's broadbrush, please pick up the white courtesy phone.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | February 8, 2011 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious. Now we have one comments barnacle paging another comments barnacle.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 8, 2011 5:19 PM | Report abuse

King said: "...he did not expect to call any of the local law enforcement or counterintelligence experts who he said had told him repeatedly that noncooperation by American Muslims is a "significant issue."
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So, I guess King will need to hold some hearings on law enforcement officials who are not cooperating in his attempt to root out Muslims who are not cooperating with law enforcement officials in the fight against terrorism. It's all gets so confusing!

Posted by: Spacer | February 8, 2011 5:24 PM | Report abuse

And here's Yglesias on the Kuttner piece...

"Obama as Movement Leader

Reviewing Eric Alterman’s Kabuki Democracy (haven’t read it, loved the article on which it’s based) my former boss Bob Kuttner makes what is, I think, the most valid progressive criticism of Barack Obama: “He has governed as if his sole task were legislative.”

The reason I like this criticism is that I think it gives the White House its due. It’s not a conspiracy theory about how secretly Barack Obama and his team are right-wingers. And it explains how an administration can simultaneously have angered so many liberal intellectuals, passed so much liberal legislation, and garned such approval from the broad mass of self-identified Democrats. Simply put, presidents do do things besides legislating. Things like movement-building. Obama hasn’t done a lot to build the progressive “bench” for future judicial appointments, and he hasn’t given a lot of succor and validation to folks like Kuttner, Alterman, or Yours Truly, the foot-soldiers in the ideological battle. On the contrary, he goes out of his way to deny the existence of such a battle. It annoys me, and I think it’s moderately harmful over the longer-haul.

Ultimately, though, I join Alterman in being much less critical of Obama than Kuttner is because I’m not sure this really matters a great deal. You can see how a life-long legislator like Barack Obama would come to overrate the importance of legislating. But it’s pretty important! And you can also see how a life-long warrior in the battle of ideas could come to overrate the importance of having the president back him up."

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2011/02/obama-as-movement-leader/

And this gets damn close to my position.

Posted by: bernielatham | February 8, 2011 5:26 PM | Report abuse

@spacer - That's very good. Root out Muslim-sympathizers wherever they might be because they are, after all, everywhere.

Posted by: bernielatham | February 8, 2011 5:32 PM | Report abuse

"But generally speaking the only thing that really seems to "discriminate" 2 seeming alike political acts in your telling is whether or not that actor has an R or a D next to his name."

This is just dull. Right up above I've linked serious and strong criticism to Obama from multiple sources. I don't know how many other such pieces I've linked in the last two years but it will be three figures. And you can't lift a frigging finger to pass on or speak criticisms of Sarah Palin.

Posted by: bernielatham | February 8, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

@spacer - That's very good. Root out Muslim-sympathizers wherever they might be because they are, after all, everywhere.
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Get out the Beck-board. Isn't that what our man Glenn has been saying for ever so long? Add law enforcement to the dominoes that are about to fall.

Bwahahaha!!!!

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | February 8, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

"And you can't lift a frigging finger to pass on or speak criticisms of Sarah Palin."

What does that mean, is it some kind of intellectual qualification? Not only can you not stay silent on Palin, you have to either/and pass on criticism or plagiarize others to people on anonymous blogs who already hate her. Why does one have to preach to the choir?

However, I'm still interested in your opinion if all Propaganda is bad. ;-)

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | February 8, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse

"In addition, there are at least three cases of American Muslims plotting to commit acts of terror."

As opposed to how many cases of anti-abortion terrorists who have bombed, murdered, and intimidated their fellow American citizens obtaining a LEGAL medical procedure. 3 whoopty doo!!!
Why isn't King holding hearing about how many fundamentalist Christian church's have harbored, and aided and abetted Domestic terrorists. Let me guess...because their names are not Faisal, or Mohammad, and of course because those same fundamentalist terror supporting churches are loyal to the R's!

And while Congressman King is at it...
How many little boys were terrorized by Catholic priests and scarred for life...do we suspect 3..perhaps a few more! How about the Bishops who covered up these priest's wrong doings and moved these child molesters to a different parish where guess what...they could molest again. Shouldn't that type of terrorism also be up for a Congressional hearing.

Oh wait...King is a Catholic...he's not going to examine his own dirty laundry...let's whip up some anti-Muslim hysteria.

Posted by: rukidding7 | February 8, 2011 6:11 PM | Report abuse

What I have noticed is that if King has already made a determination about the thing that the hearings are ostensibly designed to investigate, he's hardly distinguished from other congressmen in doing so.

Posted by: ScottC3 | February 8, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

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With due respect, Scott, this is about demonizing a community. I find it despicable, not typical.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | February 8, 2011 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Nice of King to be looking into an issue for which he has no witnesses.

But the important questions are:

1. Where is the ACA replacements, Republicans?

2. Where are the jobs, Republicans?

3. Oh, where is the $100 billion in cuts this year, by the way?

Posted by: AMviennaVA | February 9, 2011 9:17 AM | Report abuse

To use a sports analogy: Peter King leading a committee that criticizes Muslims for supporting terrorism is like Lebron James calling Carmelo Anthony for his handling of his trade saga. Here is a man who openly supported terrorism criticizing others who might/might not support terrorism. At the least, the Republican leadership should remove King from this committee.

Posted by: pvtrpandey | February 9, 2011 11:07 PM | Report abuse

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