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Posted at 1:33 PM ET, 02/28/2011

Wisconsin GOPers angered by Republican official's efforts to reach compromise with labor, Dems

By Greg Sargent

Here's a pretty good indicator of just how resistant Republicans allied with Governor Scott Walker have become to reaching a compromise of any kind with labor and Dems to end the standoff in Wisconsin over the Governor's proposal to roll back public employee bargaining rights.

I'm told that some Republicans in the state senate were so angry at fellow Republican senator Dale Schultz for proposing a modest compromise with unions and senate Dems that they actually threatened at a private meeting to kick him out of the state senate GOP caucus.

This comes to me by way of a source close to the situation. While the idea didn't go anywhere, and it didn't appear to have the support of Wisconsin GOP leaders, it shows how high tensions are running among Wisconsin Republicans who are under heavy pressure from unions, Dems and mass demonstrations to break with Walker.

The proposal by Schultz that so angered fellow Republicans was, after all, a modest one: He suggested that unions agree to have their bargaining rights rolled back right now on the understanding that they would be restored in 2013, after the state got its finances under control. Schultz's compromise got national media attention, which further angered his GOP colleagues, the source tells me.

Schultz has emerged as central to hopes for a compromise in Wisconsin. As multiple people have reported -- including Dave Weigel, David Dayen and Andy Kroll -- Senator Schultz has privately indicated he will vote No on Walker's proposal. Schultz's office is saying this is not the case, but the fact remains that he is involved in trying to persuade his fellow Republicans to reach a compromise with labor and Dems. And this isn't sitting well with his GOP colleagues.

A spokesman for Schultz declined to discuss the threats. "I can't comment on what happened in the closed caucus," he said. "I do know that Senator Schultz remains on good working terms with his Republican colleagues, and continues to work with them towards a compromise."

I've reached out to the senate GOP leadership for comment and will update you if I hear back. More when I learn it.

By Greg Sargent  | February 28, 2011; 1:33 PM ET
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Coalition... fracturing...

Posted by: ronnieandrush | February 28, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Walker is losing support, and GOP is guaranteeing their defeat on 2012. They will not succeed and you can see why here > http://wp.me/pNmlT-CB THE TABLES ARE STARTING TO TURN!

Posted by: Dh1953 | February 28, 2011 1:50 PM | Report abuse

union members are slaves of the union. if they dare to express an opinion that differs somehow from the union's published position they are subjected to retaliation and peer pressure.
walker would restore freedom to those that do not want to pay such an odious master as the Union

Posted by: Aldol | February 28, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

@ronnieandrush If Greg's report is true it would seem that the opposite is the case. There was fracturing early but then major pushback against it from other Republicans.

Posted by: johnyt1977 | February 28, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

This is the third little piece of evidence that the GOP strategy is failing in the court of public opinion:

First, the layoff notices for Madison teachers have been deferred to May 15 (instead of next week). If sending out the notices would work to ratchet up the pressure, they would not be deferred.

Second, the police not only didn't enforce pushing the demonstrators out of the statehouse last night (lege passed rule change prohibiting sleepovers), but are actually joining them in their overnight stays.

Third, the first senate GOP suggests a compromise to kick the can down the road. Who will be the second senate GOP to join him?

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | February 28, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Aldol: "if they dare to express an opinion that differs somehow from the union's published position they are subjected to retaliation and peer pressure."

Hmmm...if you read the article above, this sounds exactly what the WI Senate GOPee is doing.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 28, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

[Greg whines: "reaching a compromise of any kind with labor and Dems"]

riiiight... we can tell these Leftists are sincere about "compromise."

New Civility Update: Last week, State Rep. Gordon Hintz (D-Oshkosh) was busted in a prostitution sting.
http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20110221/OSH0101/110221076/-1/OSHbusiness/Hintz-cited-connection-Appleton-prostitution-sting?odyssey=nav%7Chead

Now, after the WI Assembly voted for the Budget Repair Bill, Democrat Hintz turned to a female colleague, Rep. Michelle Litjens (R-Appleton) and said: “You are F***king dead!”
http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes/117064153.html?blog=y

*so progressive*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 28, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Union Poster-Boy for "compromise"
http://www.daylife.com/photo/04sU66f4YP5b0?q=Governor+Scott+Walker

*WINNER!*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 28, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"Own it, Leftists.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 28, 2011 12:37 PM"

Sir, can you tell me how anyone can be responsible for the opinions or actions of another person?

Posted by: wiccan | February 28, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

johnnyt1977, really?

What's this?

"Senator Schultz has privately indicated he will vote No on Walker's proposal"

"threatened at a private meeting to kick him out of the state senate GOP caucus"

Gee, sounds like they have everything under control. Haha! Nothing like political threats behind closed doors to speak of leadership.

Fracturing...

Posted by: ronnieandrush | February 28, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Breaking news from World Net Daily -

"Evidence of Muslim Brotherhood Involvement in Wisconsin Protests"

www.wnd.com/you-wont-believe-the-deals-you-get-on-gold-at-our-sponsors.html

www.wndlcom/did-i-mention-that-obama-is-kenyan.html

Posted by: willows1 | February 28, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

OT

LOL

From Benen:

In a moment that Mitt Romney's future GOP opponents couldn't have scripted better themselves, President Obama Monday issued a full-throated embrace of the former Massachusetts governor's stance on health care.

"I know that many of you have asked for flexibility for your states under this law," Obama said during a speech to a governors meeting at the White House. "In fact, I agree with Mitt Romney, who recently said he's proud of what he accomplished on health care by giving states the power to determine their own health care solutions. He's right."

It's safe to assume the video of this quote will be turned into campaign ads in GOP presidential primaries. It's also safe to assume that was the point.

Indeed, just a month ago, David Axelrod also praised Romney for his work on health care policy during his gubernatorial tenure. "We got some good ideas from him," Axelrod said of the former governor.

And yesterday, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick (D), Romney's successor and a close ally of the president, also heaped praise on Romney's health care work, saying his predecessor "deserves a lot of credit'' for the state law. "One of the best things he did was to be the coauthor of our health care reform, which has been a model for national health care reform,'' Patrick said.

Asked afterward whether politics had motivated the praise, Patrick scoffed. "It's just the truth,'' he said.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 28, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Teabagger inbreeds campaigned against what they deemed to be "oppressive government" at the federal level during the health care reform debate - even though millions of Americans will substantially benefit from expanded access to health care. But when actual government oppression rears its ugly head in Wisconsin, the Teabagger clowns claim that they support their precious Governor Walker? What a bunch of phonies, liars and hypocrites!


In a move reminiscent of Poland under martial law in the early 1980s, Wisconsin's "General" Walker and other power-hungry Republicans in the Wisconsin state legislature (and their party brethren across the country), are attempting to unilaterally decree that henceforth virtually all public union activity will be controlled by the authoritarian state. Walker has even said that he may need to call in the National Guard. And the slack jawed Teabagger yokels support this statist takeover?


This is the same governor Walker who has lied about the state budget crisis, claiming erroneously that the salaries and benefits of public workers are to blame. When in actuality, the governor's tax cuts cuts for the rich program (according to Wisconsin's nonpartisan state budget office) was what turned a budget surplus into a budget deficit this year.


This is the same governor Walker who is engaging in blatant political favoritism and cronyism, by pledging to maintain the collective bargaining rights of the public unions who supported him in the last election (police, firefighters). Meanwhile, the rights of teachers, correction officers, social workers, and other public professionals are being attacked by Walker. Obviously, he's targeting their right to engage in collective bargaining, as a form of political payback for opposing him in the last election.


This is a clear statist attempt to destroy the more "Democratic leaning" unions, while protecting the more "Republican leaning" interest groups and other funding sources for Governor Walker and his like-minded authoritarian peers in the G.O.P. across the country.

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Posted by: DrainYou | February 28, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

[wiccan drooled: "can you tell me how anyone can be responsible for the opinions or actions of another person?"]

Of course not. Being progressive means never taking responsibility for the actions of your union thug co-conspirators.

It's only Taxed Enough Already ralliers who are subject to WaPo demonization campaigns, ad nauseum.

Here's a duly elected representative of the Democrat Party in Wisconsin shrieking at a female Republican colleague, "“You are f***king dead!"
http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes/117064153.html?blog=y

He represents your party. Own him, Leftists.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 28, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

He and his family will no doubt start getting death threats from the GOP activists because that's how they roll.

and

LOLOLOLOL @ this: "Evidence of Muslim Brotherhood Involvement in Wisconsin Protests"

They don't call it World Nut Daily for nuttin'

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 28, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

@Aldol RE: "union members are slaves of the union. if they dare to express an opinion that differs somehow from the union's published position they are subjected to retaliation and peer pressure. walker would restore freedom to those that do not want to pay such an odious master as the Union"

---

I suppose you prefer your odious masters to be rich industrialists and their political lackeys. To each his own, I guess, except that if you're not getting rich from this, others (i.e. your odious masters) certainly are, and you're acting like a chump.

Posted by: ExperimentalTheologian | February 28, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Another RINO culled from that dwindling herd.

Posted by: battleground51 | February 28, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

www.wnd.com/you-wont-believe-the-deals-you-get-on-gold-at-our-sponsors.html

www.wndlcom/did-i-mention-that-obama-is-kenyan.html

is the sort of link that "Scrivener" used to post at "The Fix" - the words of the .url were funny.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 28, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

What?? The Muslim brotherhood is behind the Wisconsin, labor riots!!!??

I just knew it!!

They're here!

Posted by: battleground51 | February 28, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Hi all! Really interesting comments today! A pleasure, as always!

Looks like the fascist cops are colluding with the civilian "masters.". Thanks for nothing guys!

http://www.jsonline.mobi/news/statepolitics/117070538.html?ua=iphone&dc=smart&c=y

Keep up the great work everybody!

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | February 28, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Another RINO culled from that dwindling herd.
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Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | February 28, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Another RINO culled from that dwindling herd.
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Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | February 28, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

It seems that this guy Dale Schultz has been one GOP member that has been kept out of the loop. Today's lead article in the usually dreaded Politico says it all -
"The conservative assault on public sector unions that seemed to explode out of nowhere in Wisconsin and spread across the Midwest was in fact months – if not years – in the making, the result of methodical polling, lobbying, messaging, grassroots organizing and policy crafting by a coterie of well-funded conservative groups."

If Obama doesn't get out in front of this then he doesn't deserve a second term. Just let the Right decimate the union movement and the middle class with it, and the circling down the economic drain will happen that much sooner. I hope that the Joe the Plumber types out there will be happy with the new world order they've created. They will have that phrase "American exceptionalism" rammed down their throats.

Posted by: filmnoia | February 28, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"[wiccan drooled: "can you tell me how anyone can be responsible for the opinions or actions of another person?"]

Of course not. Being progressive means never taking responsibility for the actions of your union thug co-conspirators.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 28, 2011 2:18 PM"

Given the tone and content of your posts I feel secure in saying you are not a "Leftist". Nor do your posts indicate that you are a "Centrist". We may then conclude that you are a "Rightist".

Let us take the case of the Westboro Baptist Church, and their protests at the funerals of our fallen soldiers. These protesters believe the soldiers have been killed by God because America tolerates homosexuality. Considering that Leftists are in favor of treating homosexuals as full and equal Americans, we can safely assume that the members of Westboro Baptist Church are not Leftists. Westboro Baptist Church members could not be considered moderate, or Centrists, given the reason for their protests. By the process of elimination, this means that they are Rightists.

Do you own their opinions and actions, since you are a Rightist?

(BTW, the alliteration of "wiccan whined" was much better.)

Posted by: wiccan | February 28, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean Andrew Sullivan likes these guys or does it mean he does not like them?

If your name is Koch, it's pronounced cock. And if your name is Boehner, it's pronounced boner. They can always change their names if they want. Until then ... I'm calling it like it is.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/02/new-rules.html

Posted by: pragmaticagain | February 28, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

And why do republicans want to put more people out of work?

Today, NPR's Steve Inskeep asked Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels (R) a worthwhile question.

INSKEEP: I want to ask something that a lot of people are confronting right now, as they deal with the federal deficit as well as state and local deficits that need to be closed. Are budget cuts -- government budget cuts -- worth it, even if they end up seriously costing a lot of jobs right now?

DANIELS: The answer is yes.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2011_02/028204.php

Posted by: pragmaticagain | February 28, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Are you able to ban trolls Greg? I'm sorry I fed him a few times, but KaddafiDelendaEst consistently posts off topic nonsense. The non-stop drudge/rush talking points would be bad enough if they were at least topical.

Voluntary troll-ignoring never works. It takes affirmative action by blog-government to effectively ban trolls.

yet another case for liberalism in action...

Posted by: Scientician | February 28, 2011 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Oh and quoting people like a 15 year old from usenet with stuff like "[wiccan drooled: ...]" should be banworthy if nothing else.

The irony of someone like that posting "Civility updates" is galling.

Posted by: Scientician | February 28, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Nope scientician but if you can figure out this:

http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/89140

You can block ever having to read his jibberish again.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 28, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

@Scientician:

http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/89140

It was written by our very own Kevin Willis just to deal with folks like KDE and STRF (or whatever handles they're using today).

Posted by: Michigoose | February 28, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Daniels is right. The unions and the politicians danced. Now they (and sadly we) must pay the piper.

Jobs will be lost in the gummint sector. Oh my how terrible! the cash reciepts at the pay per view porno sites will suffer enormously, just the SEC and MMS AG's.

Of course the lefty answer to everything is the same: tax the rich. That means that the citizens of the country need to surrender more and more of their money to crooked politicians and union bosses. According to the left we should just put on the yoke and get back to work because the union members need the money.

the last thing the left needs right now is a tax payer revolt. The entire liberal agenda is nothing more than a transfer payment scheme. It only works because Americans are productive and law abiding. It never dawned on the liberals, the unions and the assorted marxist camp followers that there would be a limit to the suffering of the tax payers.

Obama did us a favor. His arrogance caused the American taxpayer to recognize that there should be a limit on how much the government extracts from us. His cram down on Obama care ignited a rebellion and Wisconsin is just one skirmish.

yes, we will work hard to take away the ability of teh gummint service workers to bargain collectively. Then we will work hard to limit their ability to influence elections. The taxpayers are taking their seat at the negotiating table. And the left doesn't like it.

Boo frickin hoo.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 28, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Mike.

Ok, I'm done talking to or about that individual. Heaven forfend the WaPo risk getting a reputation for "liberal bias" by allowing its blogs to ban disruptive commenters.

But trolls do seriously drag down the level of discourse making it much less interesting to read a blog. Which is the point I'm sure, since we know that some of them are in fact paid agents (thanks for that at least Anonymous).

I only hope the trolls make very little of the $250/hr their employers actually bill for their services.

Posted by: Scientician | February 28, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse

COMPLETELY UNVERIFIED RUMOR sez Walker has ordered windows welded shut at state capitol to inhibit passage of food, supplies to protesters.

Sounds illegal from any number of standpoints.
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Posted by: jprestonian | February 28, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

""a limit to the suffering of the tax payers""

Lowest tax burden in DECADES, genius. How do you think we GOT here?
.

Posted by: jprestonian | February 28, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

All, my response to Erick Erickson and others on the right who claim I advocated for union violence:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/02/in_which_i_advocate_for_union.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | February 28, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

[wiccan sputtered: "Let us take the case of the Westboro Baptist Church"]

Leftist do some truly despicable things in this world, but Fred Phelps offers new lows, even for Democrats.

Former three-time (3X!) Democrat gubernatorial candidate Fred Phelps Jr. (and his satanic Westboro Hate Cult) are Leftists, masquerading in sheeps clothing. Phelps supported the 1988 presidential bid of Al Gore, whose campaign used Phelps' family office space.

Discover the Westboro Leftists @
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2129

Own Phelps, wiccan. He's all yours.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 28, 2011 3:43 PM | Report abuse

[mikefromArlington: "You can block ever having to read."]

Better still, you can stick fingers in your ears and whine.

The cited evidence stands.

*crybaby*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 28, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

skipsailing28:

"Of course the lefty answer to everything is the same: tax the rich. That means that the citizens of the country need to surrender more and more of their money to crooked politicians and union bosses. According to the left we should just put on the yoke and get back to work because the union members need the money."

Conservatives are often nostalgic for the 50s. Great times right? Upper class tax rate was over 70%. That America halted communism in Korea and put a man on the moon.

Clinton raised the upper tax bracket by 3 points to 39% and the entire right wing predicted a disaster. Instead the 90s were affluent and the government went into surplus. Alan Greenspan actually ended up warning everyone how bad it would be for the government to pay off its debt!

Yes tax the rich. We know it works. That's where the money is.

PS. You "skipsailing" are probably not "rich" - go look up where you are in the real income and even better total wealth metrics. I bet you think you are a top 1% earner and are probably not even in the top 10%

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph

Short answer, only the top 10% of earners have seen any real gain in income or lifestyle since 1980. Only the top 1% have seen any big gain worth mentioning.

What do you call a system that only works for the top 10% of earners? Can you really blame this on unions and welfare queens? Think any union "thug" is making over $1M/year?

You Tea party types make me really sad. You're angry at all the wrong people and everything you do helps the people you should be mad at. I don't doubt your sincerity, just your judgment. When are you going to see which side of the bread has the butter?

Posted by: Scientician | February 28, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Fred Phelps:

"Electoral history

Democratic primary for Governor of Kansas, 1990

Joan Finney: 81,250 (47.18%)
John Carlin: 79,406 (46.11%)
Fred Phelps: 11,572 (6.72%)

Democratic primary for United States Senate, Kansas 1992

Gloria O'Dell: 111,015 (69.20%)
Fred Phelps: 49,416 (30.80%)

Democratic primary for Governor of Kansas, 1994

Jim Slattery: 84,389 (53.02%)
Joan Wagnon: 42,115 (26.46%)
James Francisco: 16,048 (10.08%)
Leslie Kitchenmaster: 11,253 (7.07%)
Fred Phelps: 5,349 (3.36%)

Democratic primary for Governor of Kansas, 1998

Tom Sawyer: 88,248 (85.28%)
Fred Phelps: 15,233 (14.72%)"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps


He came in last in all primaries. Since the Democratic party refused to own him , I shall too.

Posted by: wiccan | February 28, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

@KaddafiDelendaEst

"Now, after the WI Assembly voted for the Budget Repair Bill, Democrat Hintz turned to a female colleague, Rep. Michelle Litjens (R-Appleton) and said: “You are F***king dead!”"

So all it takes is a couple of lines written by wingnut Charlie Sykes for you to buy this? No source needed?

Also, too, going to Horowitz for evidence of anything doesn't help your case.

Echo chamber much?

Posted by: notjenna1 | February 28, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

The rich draw the most benefit from living in the society that everyone collectively provides them. They could not have their lifestyles and wealth without workers to make and sell their products, clean their toilets, drive their limos, enforce laws like copyright and run courts that make capitalism work.

They draw the most out, they should pay the most. Progressive taxation *is* fair taxation.

Posted by: Scientician | February 28, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad to see there's one man in the Wi GOP..Dale Schultz

Posted by: newagent99 | February 28, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Greg,
I have not seen a defense of the "walkout" strategy employed by Dems in Wisconsin and elsewhere. Have you done one or can you point us to one?

Posted by: wswest | February 28, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Here is my defense of the strategy -- it is working to block the GOP tyrants from ramming bad policy down the throats of the people.

Sound familiar?

Posted by: pragmaticagain | February 28, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Cross-posted from the blogger war thread. This probably fits better here:

Greg,
On a related note to Wisconsin, did you happen to see the PBS Newshour segment on Friday with Gov. Mitch Daniels (R) of Indiana Gov. Brian Schweitzer (D) of Montana?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june11/governors_02-25.html

The overall impression I came away with is that the current debating space seems to be between taking away collective bargaining rights as the conservative position and letting the unions maintain collective bargaining rights provided they give in on everything else as the progressive position. I think you guys may be headed towards a Pyrrhic victory here.

Note also the consensus position that responsible Republican and Democratic governors run balanced budgets in contrast to the irresponsibility of Washington in running perpetual deficits. Any discussion of a justification for deficit spending based on Keynesian stimulus principles is completely outside the scope of the debate.

This is how you win the messaging war.

Posted by: jnc4p | February 28, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Let's look at this via spending as a percentage of GDP:
====================
Lowest tax burden in DECADES, genius. How do you think we GOT here?
=====================

Why spending? Because every nickle the gummint spends comes from the tax payers. All of it. Therefore all spending is essentially taxes to the citizens.
according to this web site:
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_20th_century_chart.html#copypaste

the actual spending of the government as a percentage of GDP in 2008 was 36.9%. The average for the period 1903 to 2010 is 25.7% please note that the period I mention contains several major wars, a great depression and some odd recessions as well.

It is estimated that spending will be 41.97% in 2009 and 41.61% in 2010, both are estimates now according to my source site.

So government spending, which must be paid for by the citizens via taxes continues to rise.

and for what? That's the question many of the voters in America are asking. And the answers aren't very satisfying. The deal the taxpayers are getting is not good enough and so we're going to change it.

the liberals hate all this because "philanthropy" with other people's money is what liberal enjoy the most. Lavish benefits for goverment employees? Hey, we'll just stick the taxpayers with the bill? Bailouts of stupid bank and crooked unions? Hey, no problem we will tax those nasty rich people and the evil corporations. Welfare benefits so extensive that obesity is a health concern of the "poor" Hey, we'll just pass another tax.

When the Americans rebelled, and we did, the left derided it as "astro turf" and refused to acknowledge the rebellion as a significant force in America.

Now the midwesterners have turned over the government to people who are determined to see that the tax payers get a better deal. And the whining, the tearing of hair, the gnashing of teeth on the left is as music to the ears.

How's that "genius"?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 28, 2011 4:30 PM | Report abuse

More excellent messaging: It's not Unions versus Republicans or Conservatives, it's Unions versus Taxpayers (or maybe that is the same thing).

"Ohio, Wisconsin shine spotlight on new union battle: Government workers vs. taxpayers"

""I believe in what unions do, but as an elected official I represent the taxpayers," said Jeff Berding, a registered Democrat on the Cincinnati City Council who ran as an independent after he opposed the party on a union issue. "I'm trying to get the best deal for them." "

"Throughout U.S. history, the most prominent union clashes largely involved employees squaring off against big corporate owners over how to share profits. The recent state budget controversies feature union members bargaining against state and local governments over wages and benefits provided by taxpayers."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/27/AR2011022703945.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: jnc4p | February 28, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Compromise? Mr. Koch never approved compromise!

Posted by: Owkrender | February 28, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

"Democrat Hintz turned to a female colleague, Rep. Michelle Litjens (R-Appleton) and said: “You are F***king dead!”"

[notjenna1 drooled: "No source needed?"]

Gee, will the jackass' own mouth do?

State Rep. Gordon Hintz apologizes for comments
http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20110228/OSH0101/110228167/State-Rep-Gordon-Hintz-apologizes-comments-made-Assembly-floor-following-budget-repair-bill-vote?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE

"Rep. Gordon Hintz, D Oshkosh, apologized to Rep. Michelle Litjens, R-Winneconne, for shouting out an obscenity that included the words “you’re dead” that Litjens and other witnesses heard in the chaotic scene after Republicans approved the bill."

Own the unhinged Leftist death threats.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 28, 2011 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"Schultz has emerged as central to hopes for a compromise in Wisconsin."

Keep dreamin'.

"As multiple people have reported -- including Dave Weigel, David Dayen and Andy Kroll -- Senator Schultz has privately indicated he will vote No on Walker's proposal."

If the Fleebaggers ever decide to grow up and return to Madison, that will mean the vote would be 18-15, and it would still pass.

"...it shows how high tensions are running among Wisconsin Republicans who are under heavy pressure from unions, Dems and mass demonstrations to break with Walker."

There ain't no pressure on Wisconsin Republicans. All the pressure is on the Fleebagger Democrat state Senators.

I didn't realize Sargent was getting paid to make stuff up. Nice gig.

Posted by: steve_tsouloufis | February 28, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Scientician, I refer you to the answer I provided moments ago.

Cherry picking history and putting words in my mouth hardly suffice as arguments for your position. I deal in facts and I posted them for you.

the percentage of our GDP consumed by the government is far too high. That means that we're paying entirely too much and getting entirely too little.

We've witnessed several signal failures of our federal government and two of these, the Wall Street Debacle and the BP oil spill were the result of inattention on the part of the expensive bureaucrats you seem to with to continue to coddle.

In both cases AG reports revealed that the employees of the agencies simply were'nt performing their tasks.

In the midwest we face an additional issue. We're broke and the set up with the unions and the politicians will keep us broke. States like Ohio, Wisconsin and others face a double whammy: expensive governments and shrinking tax bases.

so rather than share some bigoted vision of what you imagine I think about, get real. Look at the facts as they stand and use those to make your case.

if I need amateur psychiatry I'll go to the pro around here: shrink2.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 28, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

skipsailing28 - 70,000 people in Madison for two straight weeks is not rebelling, but several hundred wackos who think Obama was born in Kenya is a rebellion. Got it. CNN and FOX will be falling over each other to get the story.

Posted by: willows1 | February 28, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse

skipsailing - to accuse someone of cherry picking right after using the incredibly misleading timeline of 1903-2010 in your % of GDP from gov't spending point is the height of hypocrisy. Or perhaps you weren't aware that prior to about 1925, federal government spending was typically at or below about 3% (and we had such a booming, leaders of the free world, integrated economy to show for it, too!). It's essentially not changed since about 1950, with the exception of Medicare growth due to demographics. Take your disingenuousness elsewhere. We're not buying.

http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=3521&type=0

Also, please at least acknowledge Keynsian g-spending as a legitimate growth boosting strategy in significant economic downturns, and the fact that there's an argument to be made that if we're going to go after spending it might perhaps wait until we're comfortable away from 10% unemployment.

Finally, if that's the economic outlook in your "broke" midwestern state, why not negotiate with the unions to lower pay? They agreed to it in Wisconsin. Remind us what this has to do with taking away collective bargaining rights?

Posted by: MCA2 | February 28, 2011 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Ironical that liberals pair the terms," union" and "middle-class." The closest most teachers get to manual labor is when they start their lawnmovers in their back-yards. The idea that a person could be middle-class with just a high school education began to die more than twenty years, I really guess with the Carter administration recession. The auto industry never came back from that fully, nor did most industry in what is now called the rustbelt. Plenty of guys discovered that they couldn't follow their dads into the mills and on the lakeboats, that a union card did not bring employment, and that their sisters who got college education were doing better than they.

Posted by: RobbyS | March 1, 2011 12:29 AM | Report abuse

What does reducing bargaining rights have to do with costs? Well, it keeps the unions from getting school districts to commit themselves to funding pensions twenty years down the line. Madison teachers have more bargaining rights than federal workers in Madison have. Better to pay teachers a little more upfront now than to pay them for sitting in their rocking chairs forty years from now.

Posted by: RobbyS | March 1, 2011 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Hi America,
Just a word or two too say that this is the time for ALL Americans union or not to get out in the street and go to Washington and
start at the white house and stop at the
Capital, and with NO VALIANCE and PROTEST
AN PROTEST AN PROTEST UNTIL WE GET THE
GOVERNMENTS ATTENTION on how they give
everything to the super rich, and the rest
of us an I mean union non-union, black white brown red any color just enough pennies scratch out a meager living.
I'm here to tell our U.S. Government that we are sick an tired of all of the CORRUPTION thats going on in Washington.
CORPORATE scammers loving call LOBBYIST by the GOP, GOP which means by the way " greedy old parasites" go in to the halls of our Government with BILLIONS OF DOLLARS and gives an buys every politician in both houses of Congress.

THE ONLY WAY TO FIX OUR GOVERNMENT IS EVERY ONE IN THE UNITED STATES GO TO WASHINGTON.

Posted by: dad44753hotmailcom | March 1, 2011 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Union bosses are thugs....and teachers need to
wake up and realize they are just like the rest of the slobs who work real full-time jobs.
My little friend's elementary teacher sits at her desk wearing 4" heels and wears a headset. Her students say that since she is pregnant, she is always looking up baby items on the computer. This is working!!!!! No wonder the U.S. is graded so low with student ranking.

As far as those lazy loaves in the State Capitol, throw a stink bomb in there and get their, you know what's, out on the street where they belong. Many years ago, a 'good-intentioned' union, put our workforce out on strike and we were NOT allowed in the building. Gov. Walker, hold your ground.

Posted by: bobbi45 | March 1, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

That "modest compromise" is the key to preventing this thing (government budgets held captive by unions) from ever occurring again. The biggest winner in such a compromise would be the WEA Trust -- a union-captive health insurance company which has almost 60% of the contracts in Wisconsin -- and which refuses to provide service data for competitive bidding purposes, and which charges at least 20% more than competing companies offering the same coverage. Since the identity of the insurance company providing coverage is part of contract negotiations in Wisconsin, the local WEA unions challenge every attempt to choose an insurance company other than the WEA Trust. The WEA and WEA Trust are joined at the head -- the chief officers of the union are also the chief officers of the insurance company, and they draw large salaries from both. So, what we have in a nutshell is a group of people with two hands in the public till. Like the City of Bell thing here in California (where the power structure used the City coffers as their own bank), this stinks to high heaven, and only Walker's methods will break it.

Posted by: unclesmrgol | March 1, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

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