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Posted at 1:08 PM ET, 03/ 3/2011

Latest B.S. controversy: Obama said Tea Partyers driven by race!!!

By Greg Sargent

One of my favorite right wing fantasies has it that Democrats are broadly convinced that the vast majority of Tea Partyers are closet or overt racists. You hear this so often that it often seems as if some folks wish this were the case.

The latest example of this genre: A mini-tizzy is brewing on the right over a new book that suggests Obama himself may harbor that view. As the Drudge headline put it: "BOOK: Obama Says 'Race' a Key Component in Tea Party Protests."

A look at the book excerpt in question, however, confirms that this is based on an anecdote that's nearly a year old, allegedly took place in private, is not sourced in any way, and contains exactly zero direct Obama quotes about race:

In May 2010, he told guests at a private White House dinner that race was probably a key component in the rising opposition to his presidency from conservatives, especially right-wing activists in the anti-incumbent "Tea Party" movement that was then surging across the country. Many middle-class and working-class whites felt aggrieved and resentful that the federal government was helping other groups, including bankers, automakers, irresponsible people who had defaulted on their mortgages, and the poor, but wasn't helping them nearly enough, he said.

A guest suggested that when Tea Party activists said they wanted to "take back" their country, their real motivation was to stir up anger and anxiety at having a black president, and Obama didn't dispute the idea. He agreed that there was a "subterranean agenda" in the anti-Obama movement -- a racially biased one -- that was unfortunate.

Let's assume for a moment that this anecdote happened exactly as described. Who cares? Obama has said in public that the Tea Party is motivated in part by economic grievance against other groups, and that some Tea Partyers are motivated in part by his identity.

Last September, Obama told Rolling Stone magazine:

"There are strains in the Tea Party that are troubled by what they saw as a series of instances in which the middle-class and working-class people have been abused or hurt by special interests and Washington, but their anger is misdirected. There are probably some aspects of the Tea Party that are a little darker, that have to do with anti-immigrant sentiment or are troubled by what I represent as the president."

And last July, Vice President Joe Biden stated explicitly that some Tea Partyers have expressed racist views but that they're not defining:

"Well, the truth is that -- at least elements that were involved in some of the Tea Party folks, has expressed racist views...But I don't think, I don't, I wouldn't characterize the Tea Party as racist."

The idea that Obama thinks the Tea Party is driven largely by racism is of a piece with a larger pathology on the right: The notion that Obama harbors a secret desire for anti-white racial vengeance. Ultimately, there's no real point in arguing about the specific manifestations of this pathology. No matter how many times you knock it down; it will always pop up in a new form, because some folks seem to need to believe that a thirst for racial revenge is central to Obama's identity. Of course, that says far more about them than it does about the President himself.

By Greg Sargent  | March 3, 2011; 1:08 PM ET
Categories:  Tea Party, race  
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@Greg: Wait a minute. You think it's a *fantasy* that "Democrats are broadly convinced that the vast majority of Tea Partyers are closet or overt racists?"

It seems quite apparent to me that the majority of your readers who comment agree with that "fantasy".

Posted by: sbj3 | March 3, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

And since Greg was quoting Rasmussen earlier I guess it's okay for me to do the same:

"56% of Democratic voters say most members of the small government, anti-tax movement are racially biased."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/october_2010/democrats_think_tea_party_s_racist_gop_unaffiliateds_disagree

Posted by: sbj3 | March 3, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

sbj, you think readers here think the "vast majority" of Tea Partyers are racists?

Posted by: Greg Sargent | March 3, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

One thing that Obama doesn't do is bring up race so this is just dumb.

Posted by: maritza1 | March 3, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

And there's this:

"In a new Washington Post-ABC News poll... About 61 percent of tea party opponents say racism has a lot to do with the movement."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/04/AR2010050405168.html

Posted by: sbj3 | March 3, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

@Greg: "sbj, you think readers here think the "vast majority" of Tea Partyers are racists?"

Yes!

Posted by: sbj3 | March 3, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Now that nominees are gearing up for 2012 I'm not surprised to hear lies repeated over and over again.

The media should make sure all lies are identified as such and not say someone "misspoke or it was taken out of context". Lies should be identified as lies.

Posted by: rlj611 | March 3, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

If there wasn't a black man in the White House the GOP would have never created the Tea Party - period. When they were created it was like picking up a decayed old log in the forest and seeing all the bugs scurry out.

Posted by: filmnoia | March 3, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't think all Tea Party folks are racist. However, I do think the movement would not be anywhere near as strong if Hillary Clinton had been elected. The debt and over-spending was a problem during the Bush years, but where were the tea party then?

It doesn't really help the Tea Party that Mike Huckabee is going around saying Obama has some relationship with the Mau Maus and that he's somehow not American in his thinking. (Seeing that Obama was raised in part by white republican grandparents, I find this odd.) Indeed, the fact that Huckabee, who is normally level headed, feels the need to cater to this sort of nonsense does suggest there is that element out there that needs to be catered to.

Then there was the horrid signs I saw in person on the capital grounds.

So, while I don't believe most Tea Partiers are racist, I'm hard pressed to believe that it is quite the minority some would have us believe.

Posted by: Alex3 | March 3, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

sbj3:It seems quite apparent to me that the majority of your readers who comment agree with that "fantasy".

The tea bag party is probably no more or at least not significantly more racist than the society at large. Take the Harvard implicit bias test to see where you rank.

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/

http://projectimplicit.net/media.php

US society, while outlawing dejure racism continues to suffer from massive defacto racism in housing, education, health care, job opportunities, etc. Its sad that there is so little self reflection about the state of our society and the massive injustices that continue, whether sanctioned by statute or not.

Posted by: srw3 | March 3, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"Of course, that says far more about them than it does about the President."

Yeah, that is what I said on the last thread.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 3, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I believe most people don't know whether they are racist, nor even what it is.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 3, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"The debt and over-spending was a problem during the Bush years, but where were the tea party then?"

Hitting the nail on the head. The GOP can never really satisfactorily explain that.If Ms. Clinton were Prez you wouldn't have had a Tea Party per se. Rove and Gillespie would have created something else like Stay at Home Moms Against Equality or some other sort of retrograde women's group.
The Tea Party isn't an organic construct. They were created with solely Obama in mind.

Posted by: filmnoia | March 3, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

The "vast majority" of Tea Partiers are idiots.

The "vast majority" of Tea Partiers vote against their self interest.

The "vast majority" of Tea Partiers are Republicans.

The "vast majority" of Tea Partiers are white.

Any others???

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 3, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Lets just state upfront that tea partiers are driven to hysteria and anger because of the economic policies the support. They dont like bailouts unless its agribusiness tax and oil subsidies and tax loopholes. They dont support the government spending unless its their medicare and medicaid and social security being cut. They like spending cuts to programs they dont like but touch programs they do and the world is over. I dont know that if SOS Clinton wouldve won the tea party wouldve emerged with hilary as the joker or with bones through her nose or whatever but im willing to believe that it wouldve have been equally vicious towards her. Tea partiers dont have a problem with minorities who view the world as they do. its why that fla congressmen won and the one in sc. the message is anti government the messenger doesnt matter.

Posted by: Allamr18 | March 3, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I believe most people don't know whether they are racist, nor even what it is.
--------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely right! Racism lives in our blindest spot, where we are least aware of it, or how it colors us. We are not in a position to opine that we are not racist because we don't know.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | March 3, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I would add one point: I think it's possible for people to be partly motivated by anxiety about demographic change -- and to sense that change reflected in the president -- without being a racist.

I'd say many Dems probably believe that this anxiety is partly what drives some Tea Partyers, but this doesn't translate into thinking the vast majority of them are racist.

Posted by: sargegreg | March 3, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Of course they are racist. These are a bunch of unrepentant segregationists unaccostummed to having to deal with nonwhites. They were asleep under that moron w who did everything possible to cause another great depression but Obama was able to reduce it to a great recession. All teabagheadnazilunatics were asleep under that moron w but are now awake with rotted brains.

Posted by: letemhaveit | March 3, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The following comes from a live discussion with Judson Phillips, prominent Tea Pary leader:

"Maryland: I am sorry but your answer of "I think the political class is afraid of the Tea Party movement. After all, we get people out as volunteers and get them to the polls. For them, it cannot be the same as usual in D.C. A lot of them are going to be unemployed after the first of the year and that does scare them" is really offensive. This us vs. them mentality is really repulsive to me. I am a hard-working middle class American and I don't agree with anything you are saying, and I have a right not agree with you. But you spliting the citizenry into classes of "elites/political class/Washington insiders/liberals" vs "real Americans" is just plain wrong! and that's the problem with your movement.
Liberals are just as American as you are and you and your movement has no right to question people's patriotism or Americanness just because they disagree with you.

Judson Phillips: Yes we do. You folks in the left do far worse. Patriotism is not something that cannot be measured. It can be. And you folks on the left, as a general rule are not patriotic. You do not love this country. You are embarrassed by us.
I hate to tell you this, but those of us in fly over country are the real americans."

Judson Phillips

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2010/05/05/DI2010050502168.html

Evidently someone died and made him Uncle Sam. At least they are equal opportunity haters.


Posted by: wiccan | March 3, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

@Greg: Hate to say it, Greg, but if we start tabulating the results here in comments then your idea that this is a fantasy is simply not true.

Posted by: sbj3 | March 3, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

When the overwhelming majority of reporting overtly racist humor comes from reporting about Republicans then it's not a huge leap of logic.

Not all Republicans are tea partiers but all tea partiers vote Republican.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | March 3, 2011 1:56 PM | Report abuse

"The unemployment rate is expected to tick up slightly in February, to 9.1 percent from 9.0 percent in January, most likely because the promise of more job opportunities will lure some discouraged workers back into the labor force."

Ouch. So if the unemployment rate goes up because people not counted in the unemployment rate come back in to get counted, why do we bother with the fake unemployment rate?

Everyone knows the real unemployment rate (that of the people who can and would love to work a job for which they are qualified) is perhaps double the confidence boosting number.

I think the fake unemployment rate is one more way the corporate government complex degrades working people.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 3, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Some of the over-the-top irrational opposition to Obama is clearly racial, or Huckabee wouldn't pander to it so blatantly. But not all of it is, clearly. What the GOP has been able to do so well is capitalize on people's frustrations and resentments and direct them away from Wall Street and (some)corporations, and direct it at Obama and the Dems. They are much better at mobilizing anger than the Dems.

And Obama has to understand that much of the animus against him is racial (or fear of loss of privilege) how could he not? That far-right people want to believe like Glenn Beck that Obama is "racist" is a form of projection and a way to avoid confronting their own racism.

Posted by: Mimikatz | March 3, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

HOLY CANOLI:

Rep. Ron Paul: "Education is Not a Right" (Video)

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/rep-ron-paul-education-is-not-a-right-video.php

Gingrich To Rumsfeld: Plant Army Spies Throughout Government

Newt Gingrich recommended in a 2003 memo to then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld that he "both maximize DoD's influence on debates and to maximize the flow of information to DoD" by establishing "a system of DoD detailees throughout the federal government and where possible as overseas detached personnel for foreign governments."

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/gingrich_to_rumsfeld_plant_army_spies_throughout_government.php

Ummmmmmm... WTF???

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 3, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Because the Tea Party is not an actual political party but an astro-turf group created by Koch Industries, with no leaders and no platform, they have plausible deniability for everything. However check out any TP blogs or Facebook groups and you'll be left with little doubt what the "Tea Party" is all about. It's a fake populist group created by billionaires pandering to racists to get their support for policies that only benefit the super-rich.

Posted by: dnahatch1 | March 3, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Rand Paul wanting to repeal the Civil Rights Act didn't hurt his campaign or his standing among teabaggers either.

Posted by: dnahatch1 | March 3, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

This whole discussion proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that liberals are driven to distraction by racism, racialism, and racial obsession.

Liberals are always bringing up race, especially when on the defensive.

Liberals use race and accusations of racism as weapons to beat their opponents with when cornered.

Rocky called it "cheap shots".

Rocky was right!

Posted by: battleground51 | March 3, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"One of my favorite right wing fantasies has it that Democrats are broadly convinced that the vast majority of Tea Partyers are closet or overt racists."

Greg, first, dnahatch1 is correct, the TP is operated if not owned by the TP Express. Second, the vast majority of everybody are closet racists, it is only the overt variety, those that embrace it as a virtue that can be fought.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 3, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

OT:

Americans get dinged 4 PINOCCHIOS for total blatant ignorance on federal budget

The American public appears to be clamoring for a discussion about the size and scope of the federal government. But how can Washington have a serious debate when most Americans are ignorant of what is in the budget?

Yet another depressing survey was released this week that attests to the failure of most Americans to understand the basics of the federal budget -- and why there is a soaring budget deficit. Respected Republican pollsters Ed Goeas and Nicholas Thompson reported that 63 percent of those surveyed believe the federal government spends more on defense and foreign aid than it does on Medicare and Social Security. (That's wrong.)

...

No matter what rhetoric politicians use about the budget, people need to find out the facts in order to understand the costs, the trade-offs and the challenges ahead. Every year, when the president releases his budget, newspapers print pie charts showing how the money is spent. The budget is publicly available on the Web. There should be little excuse for not knowing the basic facts about how the U.S. government spends taxpayers' money.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2011/03/four_pinocchios_for_the_americ.html

Find out, people.

Do you homework (ahem REPUBLICANS).

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 3, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Just another case of a classic attempt by the GOP to reframe an issue.

President Obama is not the one who inserts race into the political dialogue, and the few times he has addressed it have been only when there was no other alternative, and it's always been in the context of trying to bridge the national racial divide. He never uses it as a weapon to divide blacks from whites.

Yet the GOP uses it constantly, and they direct it through their propaganda arm, Fox News, to make it an issue about the President, the First Lady, and even occasionally the two little girls.

How many times has Limbaugh talked about some policy being "reparations"...and as mentioned above, the whole Huckabee lie about being raised in Kenya....that's deliberate. We all know that.

Is every rank and file member of the Tea Party a raging racist? Probably not, but there's no disputing that the powers-that-be in the Tea Party and the people funneling money to it are using racism as a tool to try to discredit the President.

With Clinton, they used what they felt was his Achilles heel -- his infidelity -- to try to bring him down. If Hillary was president, they would be using her gender as a subtle manipulative weapon. With Obama, they see the color of his skin as their opening to wage war on his presidency and try to bring him down.

It's the way they operate. They appeal to the lowest common denominator in human nature to feed their attack lines on Democratic politicians. And then they get offended and indignant when someone calls them on it.

Posted by: elscott | March 3, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Where's Waldo?

Posted by: drowningpuppies | March 3, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

@shrink2 "I believe most people don't know whether they are racist, nor even what it is."

I believe the term has become so broad as to be almost meaningless now.

Posted by: jnc4p | March 3, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"This whole discussion proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that liberals are driven to distraction by racism, racialism, and racial obsession."

No, we are not 'driven to distraction' over racism, we just find it repugnant. Seems like you don't.

Posted by: fiona5 | March 3, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"I'd like to cut off his balls." - Jesse Jackson

Posted by: drowningpuppies | March 3, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Like 'liberal,' 'conservative' and 'socialism', the rightwingers have distorted 'racism' in such a way that these words are now rendered essentially meaningless.

Posted by: fiona5 | March 3, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"Liberals use race and accusations of racism as weapons to beat their opponents with when cornered."

You would have to be blind not to have noted the racist caricatures of Obama at some of the Tea Party rallies. Even a black congressman (Cleaver) was spit upon by one of your thugs. Stay in denial, it suits you.

Posted by: filmnoia | March 3, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Really fun discussion gang!

So, are the majority of us TeaBaggers racist or no?

Also, I the the State of Wisconsin Retirement System owns over $5 million in Koch Brothers bonds. Apparently, the public employees are financing their own enemies. Hunh? Wierd.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/260979/wisconsin-state-employees-should-have-some-koch-and-smile-christian-schneider

Keep up the great work everybody! Oh, and let me know if, because I'm a TeaBagger I'm racist, or if I'm racist in addition to my out and proud, flamboyant TeaBagging (and racisming?). ;-)

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 3, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't see how it can be a "right wing fantasy" that democrats think the majority of tea partiers are racist when that "fantasy" seems completely confirmed by the progressives commenting here. They may be right that it's full of racists, but clearly that is the consensus on the left. Now, whether Obama feels that way, I don't think is confirmed by the anecdote above. But Biden's comment about not characterizing the tea party as racist seems to be of the dubious sort that republicans who say "I trust Obama at his word that he's not a Muslim" make.

Posted by: mobrien83 | March 3, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

@ronnieandrush "OT:

Americans get dinged 4 PINOCCHIOS for total blatant ignorance on federal budget

The American public appears to be clamoring for a discussion about the size and scope of the federal government. But how can Washington have a serious debate when most Americans are ignorant of what is in the budget?

Yet another depressing survey was released this week that attests to the failure of most Americans to understand the basics of the federal budget -- and why there is a soaring budget deficit. Respected Republican pollsters Ed Goeas and Nicholas Thompson reported that 63 percent of those surveyed believe the federal government spends more on defense and foreign aid than it does on Medicare and Social Security. (That's wrong.)

...

No matter what rhetoric politicians use about the budget, people need to find out the facts in order to understand the costs, the trade-offs and the challenges ahead. Every year, when the president releases his budget, newspapers print pie charts showing how the money is spent. The budget is publicly available on the Web. There should be little excuse for not knowing the basic facts about how the U.S. government spends taxpayers' money.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2011/03/four_pinocchios_for_the_americ.html

Find out, people.

Do you homework (ahem REPUBLICANS)."

Agreed. I favor the proposal that Ezra Klein's blogged about to send a bill to taxpayers every year showing where their money went. This could be combined with the Social Security statement everyone gets in August.

"Below is an example of what a receipt might look like for a typical taxpayer with
a 2009 U.S. median income of $34,140, who paid $5,400 in federal income tax and
FICA. It is very easy to generate and extremely informative to taxpayers.

What You Paid For
2009 tax receipt for a taxpayer earning $34,140 and paying
$5,400 in federal income tax and FICA (selected items)

Social Security $1,040.70
Medicare $625.51
Medicaid $385.28
Interest on the National Debt $287.03
Combat Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan $229.17
Military Personnel $192.79
Veteran’s Benefits $74.65
Federal Highways $63.89
Health care research (NIH) $46.54
Foreign Aid $46.08
Education Funding for Low Income K-12 Students $38.17
Military Retirement Benefits $32.60
Pell Grants for Low Income College Students $29.75
NASA Space Program $28.09
Internal Revenue Service $17.69
Environmental Clean Up (EPA) $11.67
The FBI $11.21
Head Start $10.91
Public Housing $10.50
National Parks $ 4.27
Drug Enforcement Agency $3.14
Amtrak $2.23
Smithsonian Museum $1.12
Funding for the Arts $0.24
Salaries and benefits for members of Congress $0.19"

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/09/shouldnt_taxpayers_get_a_recei.html

Posted by: jnc4p | March 3, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Yes fiona5,
The poor innocents on the left have just sat idly by while the meanies on the right have appropriated all the big important words, and distorted them beyond meaning. Cogent analysis that.

Posted by: bzod9999 | March 3, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Shrink, great comments today and i hope all is well with you. You wrote "... the vast majority of everybody are closet racists...". Can you tell us, for example, in what way 12barblues and Ethan (r&r) are closet racists?

Thanks! And thanks for your always interesting comments! ;-)

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 3, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

TrollMcWingnut,

I'm curious. Do you agree with Judson Phillips that if you are a "liberal", you cannot be a "real American'?

Thanking you for your reply, I remain

your humble servant,

wiccan

Posted by: wiccan | March 3, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"I believe most people don't know whether they are racist, nor even what it is."

that's a good point. I use "racism" as institutional. anything below that is bigotry. Example -- someone harboring abhorrent views isn't racist because he lacks the standing/power to do anything about it. businesses and governments and other large powerful institutions can be racist. ignorant dude who says ugly things? he's a bigot because he has no power. entity that can systematically discriminate based on race? racist. FWIW, as an exercise, word choices like this interest me.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | March 3, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"So, are the majority of us TeaBaggers racist or no? "

Who cares? The TPers are a dwindling aging minority given too much attention by the MSM.

I still haven't heard a coherent response about where these people were when Georgie Junior ran the economy into the toilet.
Since the TP was created to coincide with Obama's presidency only logical inferences can be made. Let's just say that if not all TPers are racists, it's safe to say that all racists sympathize with the TP.

Posted by: filmnoia | March 3, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

battleground51 is the master of cheap shots

Liberals can only sit at the lotus feet of the true and great cheap shot artist.

Posted by: srw3 | March 3, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

@"I believe most people don't know whether they are racist, nor even what it is."

that's a good point. I use "racism" as institutional. anything below that is bigotry. Example -- someone harboring abhorrent views isn't racist because he lacks the standing/power to do anything about it. businesses and governments and other large powerful institutions can be racist. ignorant dude who says ugly things? he's a bigot because he has no power. entity that can systematically discriminate based on race? racist. FWIW, as an exercise, word choices like this interest me."

You may also find Dr. Henry Louis Gates Jr.'s essay on "racialist" versus "racist" of interest.

"As I drove away from Cold Spring Harbor, I realized that my conversation with Dr. Watson only confirmed something I already, with great trepidation, have come to believe: That the last great battle over racism will be fought not over access to a lunch counter, or a hotel room, or to the right to vote, or even the right to occupy the White House; it will be fought in a laboratory, in a test tube, under a microscope, in our genome, on the battleground of our DNA. It is here where we, as a society, will rank and interpret our genetic difference. "

http://www.theroot.com/views/science-racism

Posted by: jnc4p | March 3, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"TrollMcWingnut,

I'm curious. Do you agree with Judson Phillips that if you are a "liberal", you cannot be a "real American'?

Thanking you for your reply, I remain

your humble servant,

wiccan"

Hi Wiccan! Thanks for asking. ;-)

The answer is, of course not! I've yet to meet, in person, a liberal who was not just a good American, but a great American! Why would you think I'd agree with such nonsense?

Thanks again, and have a great one!

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 3, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Greg Sargent is, along with JokeLine, one of the funniest of the O sycophantic slags. If it's raining, Greg Sargent will spin it for Obama. Cat ate your homework? Greg Sargent will spin it for Obama.

Despite Sargent's hilarious attempt to pretend otherwise, playing the race card on the teapartiers is about the only argument the Dems and the far-left have been able to come up with. They're faced with dumb, borderline sane people serving the interests of a very small group of wealthy people, and all the Dems/far-left can do is play the race card and engage in their own racism.

For the facts about the TPers that you won't hear from anyone else, see my extensive coverage:

http://24ahead.com/s/tea-parties

Right now, the latest post (scroll past the intro) concerns O's remarks and discusses why the TPers won't be able to do anything about them.

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | March 3, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Troll, no. There are excellent books on bigotry in general and racism in particular; suffice it to say, we are innately afraid of 'the other' and when we feel fear, we defend ourselves against it. Some defenses are better than others.

I am fascinated by the Ace website, by the way.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 3, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

@ jnc4p -- i like the idea of a bill too. I'd end withholding and make it monthly. an itemized bill for services. i also think it's useful to see how the numbers add up and how to cut. do you go for the "save a few bucks a day by not buying your coffee" and cut the Smithsonian? or do you go for the overhaul and really make lifestyle changes to get your house in order but cutting, say combat operations and above (except debt)?

and thanks for the link -- will add to my reading list.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | March 3, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

@NoVAHockey : entity that can systematically discriminate based on race? racist. .

You point is well taken, bias, discrimination and racism are all different. Your construction also eliminates the possibility of "reverse racism" since the levers of power in a society are dominated and controlled for the most part by the dominant group and those levers are directed at the non dominant groups.

Posted by: srw3 | March 3, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

filmnoia,
TP as a dwindling aging minority is plain wrong. There were many, many, many on the right who were adamantly against W's spending policies (TARP I was the disgusting cherry on top). You know what else coincides with BO's presidency? Historically large spending and deficits (even after adjusting for the $$ wasted "cleaning up W's mess"). Maybe, just maybe, that could be a catalyst? It is safe to say all racists sympathize with the TP? Did you ask Obama's pastor Jeremiah Wright? I'll bet you $1000 he doesn't sympathize with TP, and he's as racist as they come.

Posted by: bzod9999 | March 3, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Once again, the myths abound.

Liberals here decry the "myths" that they believe the right sells to itself.

then they proceed to sell themselves on their own myths. Here is an apt example:
==========================
"The debt and over-spending was a problem during the Bush years, but where were the tea party then?"

Hitting the nail on the head.
=========================

I dunno where the Tea Party was then, but I know where conservatives were. We were absolutely appalled at the behavior of the Republicans in congress and showed our displeasure in both '04 and '06. The '06 election was a significant watershed for Democrats.

Here are the facts:
The senate went from 55 to 44 Republican (with 1 independant) to 51 49 Democrat.

the house went from 229 201 Republican to 233 to 202 Democrat.

the myth that the liberals sell themselves is that this victory was the result of all sorts of clever ideas like "blue dogs" and such. Certainly some of that worked. But one of the main causes for the turnover was the fact that conservatives refused to support the Republicans strongly in their elections.

We were furious, and we said so. I have stated here repeatedly that I trust McConnell and Boehner no more that I trust Schumer and Weiner. Spending went UP while McConnell was in charge and we won't let him forget that.

As a perfect contemporary example, look at the uproar from the voters over the Republicans paltry effort at spending cuts. It wasn't enough for us and we let them know it.

The tea party is simply the result of a "last straw" situation. The arrogance and ineptness of Mr Obama lead to a mass movement. The fact that this mass movement occurred when it did, and not at some point in time that some liberals thinks is appropriate does NOTHING to alter the legitimate concerns that these folks have.

NOTHING.

Ignore the movement at your peril. If you didn't hear the voices of the right expressing concern in '06 perhaps it is a function of your choices concerning information sources. The outrage was certainly there. but people who limit themselves often miss these things as birds of a feather flock together. It was conservatives talking to conservatives. that's a discussion that liberals didn't have an interest in.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 3, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"The poor innocents on the left have just sat idly by while the meanies on the right have appropriated all the big important words, and distorted them beyon

well, you certainly are a master at kindergarten level analysis -- is dumbing down your specialty?

Posted by: fiona5 | March 3, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

jnc4p,

I think it's a stupid idea.

What would be FAR more appropriate and useful is a law that mandates a report to the taxpayers on what they got for the taxpayer money.

It's not enough to know what was spent.

It's far more important to know the RESULT of that spending.

If I spend $100 on wingnuts and the wingnuts suck, that's bad spending.

If I spend $100 on wingnuts and each wingnut saves the government $1000, that is good spending.

Don't you think that makes a whole lot more sense? To know the real or estimated VALUE of the money that the government spends?

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 3, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"the possibility of "reverse racism" since the levers of power in a society"

that's a good point too. I guess one could argue that it depends on how those levers are thrown and to what end. is anything other than "neutral" racist? If the majority, who is in control, systematic discriminates against other members of its group, is that racist? or does it have to be a majority v. minority conflict?

or, it is more results focused? if a neutral policy results in inequality, is that racist? i would say no, but i can appreciate why others would disagree. it gets sticky pretty quickly.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | March 3, 2011 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"Troll, no. There are excellent books on bigotry in general and racism in particular; suffice it to say, we are innately afraid of 'the other' and when we feel fear, we defend ourselves against it."

Shrink, thanks for the answer. Just to clarify though, to finish this off with ribbon and bow, as it were. You believe that 12barblues and Ethan (r&r) are closet racist, correct?

Be careful over at Ace. It's almost always deeply offensive. There's a rather provocative posting on a college course involving, er, a sex act. As a parent, and a scholar, I'd love to know your opinion on whether you think he (Ace) is correct. The link is below, if you're interested. ;-)

http://minx.cc/?post=312823

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 3, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

All, check out this amazingly harsh broadside Senator Merkley unleashed on House GOP budget cuts:

http://wapo.st/hz3uQQ

Posted by: Greg Sargent | March 3, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Fox News - Not Racist but #1 With Racists!

Posted by: mikefromArlington | March 3, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

@nvh: If the majority, who is in control, systematic discriminates against other members of its group, is that racist?

There has to be some kind of distinction that the dominant group is using to identify and discriminate against the sub group. Discrimination against women (whether white or not) is sexism. It's not racist if race is not the characteristic used to define the groups, but it could still be discrimination based on something else (like wealth or lack thereof, sexual orientation, occupation, etc.)

Posted by: srw3 | March 3, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

TrollMcWingnut,

Thanks for your swift and comforting reply. I have been trying to figure out why there is so much hate between Americans, both left and right. You've seen the posts; KaddafiDelendaEst's can positively drip with venom, Brigade shoots flaming arrows, even quarterback sometimes bogs down with insults. This is not to say our liberals are without blame. I sometimes needs asbestos glasses to read some of Caothien9's posts, and he is not alone. I'd like to think that all posters here are at heart decent human beings; so again, why the hate?

Once again your humble servant,

wiccan

Posted by: wiccan | March 3, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

And Mr Sargent is simply using the reliable leftist tool of "race" in a clever way.

The basic theme of the lefty journalists was perfectly described by Spencer Ackerman. NO doubt Mr Sargent and Mr Klein wish we'd forget that little revelation, but we won't. Mr Ackerman made the mistake of telling us the plan.

so the goal now for the liberals is to define everything as "race" and then try to convince the public that Obama's above it all.

this works well, for example, when the DOJ gets into hot water over the New Black Panthers. All Sargent&CO must do is find the racial element and then say "see, those guys are just about race. It is just a bunch of angry white guys expressing their innate fear of the 'other'" When the reality is all forms of discrimination are bad and a proclivity to favor one racial group over another is supposed to be unlawful in our country.

it is classic Clinton/morris politics: Blame your enemies for what you are doing. So Obama can be racially motivated, but to say so is racist. How the heck does that work?

the bottom line is simple though: the race card has lost its punch. the magical incantation "racist!" has lost it magic. We know we're not racist and we know that the left uses that slander as a weapon.

As far as I know, Brietbart still has his 100K and those black caucus members are still liars. But am I a racist for saying so? I mean after all, calling a black person a liar is just not done.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 3, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

SLAM!

-Federal grand jury indicts five ex-WellCare executives-

Four years after an FBI raid brought to light accusations of Medicaid fraud at WellCare, a federal grand jury indicted five of the company's former executives, authorities announced Wednesday.

All five men are charged with conspiracy to commit Medicaid fraud and making false statements. They are former CEO Todd S. Farha, 42, of Tampa; former general counsel Thaddeus Bereday, 45, of Tampa; former CFO Paul L. Behrens, 49, of Odessa; former vice president of Harmony Behavioral Health William Kale, 61, of Oldsmar; and former vice president of Medical Economics Peter E. Clay, 54, of Massachusetts.

...

...whistle-blowers put profits of the alleged fraud between $400 million and $600 million.

Each defendant is charged with one count of conspiracy to commit health care fraud, four counts of health care fraud and of making false statements relating to health care matters. Clay is also facing two counts of making false statements to federal agents.

Each man faces up to 10 years in prison for each health care fraud count, and up to five years for the other charges.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/four-years-after-raid-federal-grand-jury-indicts-five-ex-wellcare/1154921

There's another Floridian who did the exact same thing as these 5 indicted fools. And the Republicans just elected him GOVERNOR of Florida! Heckuva job GOP!

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 3, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"There were many, many, many on the right who were adamantly against W's spending policies"

"Many, many" and they didn't get media coverage?
As your boy Eric Cantor would say - "c'mon." Don't insult my intelligence.
There was no unified movement on the Right against the last administration's spending policies - none. Do you recall how the GOP had to twist arms in the Congress at 3AM to get their members to vote on the pricey drug bill? And then not even a peep when it came to funding two wars off budget. Nice try, but I'm not buying your premise.

Posted by: filmnoia | March 3, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"so again, why the hate?"

if you don't mind my jumping in, i think it's a case of "internet tough guy" syndrome.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | March 3, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

There is a difference between many and a unified front, no?
The link below took me 2 seconds to find.

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/19/the-mother-of-all-bailouts-the-death-of-fiscal-conservatism/

Also, do you agree with my other premises, or are you just taking them one at a time?

Posted by: bzod9999 | March 3, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"Do you recall how the GOP had to twist arms in the Congress at 3AM to get their members to vote on the pricey drug bill?"

I remember. It was a 2 1/2 hour vote that was slated for 15 minutes.

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 3, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

@ ronnie -- Medicare/caid fraud is fascinating. look up operation wheeler dealer from a few years ago. basically a ring of Nigerians was busted for providing standard wheelchairs to patients and billing for complex expensive power ones.
see: http://www.advhomecare.org/patients-caregivers/custom-wheelchairs.html for pix of the difference.

they got caught b/c the billing for one area in TX looked liked every senior in town had multiple sclerosis or a stroke. the rub was, it was a simple as changing two letters on the claim form, and bam, Medicare pays thousands for these chairs.

under questioning, those responsible said it was easier, safer and more lucrative than dealing drugs.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | March 3, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"internet tough guy" syndrome- this has possibilities. Many of these posts are just cyberspace d!ck-waving. Instead of making our case with logic and reason, and granting our opponents the grace to do the same, we scream talking points and insults, like monkeys flinging "poo", and get nowhere. Both conservative and liberal points of view have merits, and it is in the middle that both will meet. If we stop flinging poo.

Posted by: wiccan | March 3, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

teaparty = a partisan tool funded by and for corporate interests; taken out and paraded around when it serves the Republican establishment and their corporate masters.

Posted by: Beeliever | March 3, 2011 3:43 PM | Report abuse

"so again, why the hate?"

if you don't mind my jumping in, i think it's a case of "internet tough guy" syndrome.


@NoVA Certainly a good reason for some.
But some of our posters..at least one is a genuine bada$$. He actually requested my addy in St. Petersburg so he could come to Florida and settle things face to face. LMAO

He probably would have added..settle things like a "man". Sad, some of these folks.

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 3, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

"Each man faces up to 10 years in prison for each health care fraud count, and up to five years for the other charges."

I wonder if capital punishment for white collar criminals shouldn't be on the table, or am I just being an internet "tough guy":-)
Look how many lives all of these crooks have ruined.

Posted by: filmnoia | March 3, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Filmnoia,
I knew if I stuck around long enough, I'd find something that we agree on!!!
Capital punishment should be on the table for white collar criminals, including those at Fannie, Freddie, Goldman, and Countrywide. Throw in all the Republican healthcare and oil/energy crooks, and we could have the chair running day and night.
Vigorously co-sign.

Posted by: bzod9999 | March 3, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"There is a difference between many and a unified front, no?
The link below took me 2 seconds to find."

The posting of a toxic far right wretch doesn't really impress me. The posting was from Sept. 08. The institutional right (e.g. the GOP pols) sat on their hands for 8 years.

Posted by: filmnoia | March 3, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Face it if TeaPartiers really were honest they would acknowledge that Obama passed a middle class tax cut. That the Repubs are fighting tooth and nail to maintain subsidies for oil and gas companies who are making billions in profit and have CEO's who are obscenely paid. They would admit that the only president to balance the budget in decades was Clinton, and he did it with modest tax increases and more modest progressive policies. Like I said it TeaPartiers were honest.

Posted by: jpatuto11 | March 3, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

@tmwn: All people (including the "liberal" or "progressive" posters here) have some level of implicit bias (including racial bias, although it may be biased in favor of minorities and not against them. Take the harvard implicit bias test and find out a bit about yourself... )Racism is a quality of a society. The term "racism or institutional racism" describes societal patterns that have the net effect of imposing oppressive or otherwise negative conditions against identifiable groups on the basis of race or ethnicity. Bias is a quality of people. While people can go along with and participate in the racism in a society, racism is a group on group phenomenon. Bias is an individual attitude. Discrimination (treating people differentially based on some criteria) is an action by an individual or collectively taken on the basis of some kind of bias. Bias is a neutral term. It can reflect either rational or irrational reasons for discrimination. Employers are biased toward choosing employees that they think will be productive (rational) or biased toward choosing employees that are from the same racial or ethnic group (non-rational in the limited economic sense that there may be no relationship between productivity and race or ethnicity).

Very few people understand the differences between bias, discrimination, and racism. Right wingers are particularly fond of claiming "reverse racism" which is an oxymoron...The non dominant group in a society has no power to implement "racism" against the dominant group.

Posted by: srw3 | March 3, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I'll tell you what Jpatuto11: When the Democrats put Clinton era spending levels and a balanced budget on the table, I will gladly pay Clinton era tax rates.

Posted by: bzod9999 | March 3, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

"Capital punishment should be on the table for white collar criminals, including those at Fannie, Freddie, Goldman, and Countrywide. Throw in all the Republican healthcare and oil/energy crooks, and we could have the chair running day and night"

I'll gladly pay for the electric bill on the chair. I haven't felt this testicular on the internet for years:-)

Posted by: filmnoia | March 3, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

@ss28:it is classic Clinton/morris politics: Blame your enemies for what you are doing.

Sorry, incorrect. This is directly out of the Rovian playbook. Thanks for playing...

"We know we're not racist and we know that the left uses that slander as a weapon"

We, as a society, are racist. The evidence is all around us in employment, health care, and housing statistics among other parameters. Individuals may or may not personally support the racist policies of the society. Whether you personally discriminate based on racial identification is a question between you and your diety (or lack thereof) and possibly the constabulary if your discrimination based on race leaks into the public economic sphere (hiring, renting, etc.).

So SS, stop throwing around racism when you mean bias or discrimination. Racism is a quality of a society. Bias is a quality of an individual. Its sad but predictable that you don't comprehend these basic word definitions.

Posted by: srw3 | March 3, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

There was plenty of opposition to Bush's spending on the right. if you consider libertarians on the right. or organized. or even influential. crap. never mind.

"Right wingers are particularly fond of claiming "reverse racism" which is an oxymoron...The non dominant group in a society has no power to implement "racism" against the dominant group." i'd agree with that, but say it's an inaccurate way to describe anger or frustrations with systems that are based on anything other than merit.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | March 3, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

@nvh:but say it's an inaccurate way to describe anger or frustrations with systems that are based on anything other than merit

What is the "it" in your statement? What is innacurate?

Posted by: srw3 | March 3, 2011 4:19 PM | Report abuse

srw3 -- sorry "reverse racism"

Posted by: NoVAHockey | March 3, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"We, as a society, are racist. The evidence is all around us in employment, health care, and housing statistics among other parameters. Individuals may or may not [consciously] support the racist policies of the society." Thank you.


"Capital punishment should be on the table for white collar criminals."

It will be. It has to be.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 3, 2011 4:23 PM | Report abuse

{There was plenty of opposition to Bush's spending on the right.}

I live and work on the Nation's Capitol. Never once did I see a "Tea Party" or Libertarian or conservative group out there protesting what Bush was doing. Not once. Not even.

Within a week after Obama was sworn into office I saw a "Tea Bagger" (that was their term of art back then) holding a stick with a noose in which was a dummy of a black man dressed up in a suit.

Sorry, I'm married to African-American woman and I have son. I take that sort of crap personally and I don't forget it. I will say that I've had spirited conversations with friends who are on the other side of the political divide. I respect them. Some even apply "Tea Partier" to themselves. However, even they admit that the "taxed enough already" movement has attracted a great many who don't have fiscal issues in mind.

So I agree that it is a minority, but when even Huckabee seems to have folded in the face of this vile minority, you have to admit they can still pull strings.

Posted by: Alex3 | March 3, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"I live and work on the Nation's Capitol. Never once did I see a "Tea Party" or Libertarian or conservative group out there protesting what Bush was doing. Not once. Not even."

So true!

Where were the "protectors of the constitution" when Bush was busy eviscerating the bill of rights, through torture, warrantless wiretapping, unlawful detention of American citizens with no habeas protections, massaging (torturing) intel until it fit repub warped world views, invading countries without a declaration of war, etc.? Crickets... Tea baggers had from 2002 through 2008 to raise a stink about the trashing of the constitution but they were totally silent. "You're either with us or against us" was the operative phrase, then. "Real Americans" supported the president. It was only when dems won in 2008 that somehow the henious acts of government must be thwarted at every turn...It was only then that being against the government was OK...It was only then that protesting against the president was patriotic and not borderline treasonous. Funny how things change...

Posted by: srw3 | March 3, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

poor widdle RUK, nothing but lies and name calling. This, for example, is hardly the truth:
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But some of our posters..at least one is a genuine bada$$. He actually requested my addy in St. Petersburg so he could come to Florida and settle things face to face. LMAO
=========

I offered you the opportunity to call me an "effing moron" to my face. Like the "man" that you are you punked out.

It doesn't take much to name call here. And I believed that giving you the chance to say what you really thought about me, while I was standing right in front of you would be more cathartic. Kinda like the way you want to puke over on the other thread.

The offer stands pal. Any time you want to call me an "effing moron" to my face, just post your addy here. I'll be by in a flash and you can do your worst.

I have nothing to "settle" with you. What you think of me is no concern of mine. I could care less. I am, however, concerned for your health. So the opportunity to unload all that anger in person seems like a therapeutic benefit to you. tell ya what, I won't even bill Medicare. How's that for an offer?

So come on RUK, call me an "effing moron" to my face. Surely you've got enough left in you old, old tank to handle that, right?

hilarious. And a real lesson in considering the source.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 3, 2011 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The slack jawed Teabagger inbreeds are not only full fledged racists, they're also some of the dumbest fracking people on the face of the Earth.


2012 is payback time for the Teahadists, and I can't wait!


.

Posted by: DrainYou | March 3, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse

So alex and srw, does the fact that you didn't see protests then, make the concerns expressed now illegitimate?

How does that argument work exactly?

Are you saying that we dont' face a fiscal problem?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 3, 2011 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"Where were the "protectors of the constitution" when Bush was busy eviscerating the bill of rights, through torture, warrantless wiretapping, unlawful detention of American citizens with no habeas protections, massaging (torturing) intel until it fit repub warped world views, invading countries without a declaration of war, etc.?"

principled, and largely ignored opposition, from libertarians on these issues. but, yes, libertarians don't protest en masse. i admit to getting excited about the TP movement, but if the war, medicare and social security are off the table, what's left?

Posted by: NoVAHockey | March 3, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

this is simply wrong:
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We, as a society, are racist
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Speak for yourself. I'm not a racist and the people I know of who are I have no business with.

The left NEEDS racism. Racism is a major liberal industry in America.

I used the words I meant. and I'll stand by them.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 3, 2011 5:16 PM | Report abuse

@ronnieandrush "nc4p,

I think it's a stupid idea.

What would be FAR more appropriate and useful is a law that mandates a report to the taxpayers on what they got for the taxpayer money.

It's not enough to know what was spent.

It's far more important to know the RESULT of that spending.

If I spend $100 on wingnuts and the wingnuts suck, that's bad spending.

If I spend $100 on wingnuts and each wingnut saves the government $1000, that is good spending.

Don't you think that makes a whole lot more sense? To know the real or estimated VALUE of the money that the government spends?"

When it comes to government programs, "value" is too subjective of a standard to be used. With regards to your wingnut example, the purpose of most programs isn't to save money but to address a specific issue (or subsidize a favored contributor). Add to that the issue of measuring the "value" of transfer payments. These are similar to the objections raised to the recent GAO report about government efficiency here:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2011/03/what_the_gao_thinks_we_can_do_1.html

Your initial post was about this problem:

"There should be little excuse for not knowing the basic facts about how the U.S. government spends taxpayers' money."

The proposal I linked to addresses that. Measuring "value" is a separate issue.

The only other substantial thing I would add to it would be a section called "Bill Me Later" which shows the taxpayer's portion of the difference between what the government took in revenue wise versus what it paid out in expenditures. I.e. your share of the deficit and debt.

Posted by: jnc4p | March 3, 2011 5:29 PM | Report abuse

"The slack jawed Teabagger inbreeds are not only full fledged racists, they're also some of the dumbest fracking people on the face of the Earth.


2012 is payback time for the Teahadists, and I can't wait!"

See shrink? This is how it's done. When you're going to reduce people to 2 dimensional stereotypes, it needs to be short, pithy and dramatic.

Drain You, I offer my regards! Your TeaBagging Fu is excellent. Now, can you reccomend a good hand cream to keep my knuckles from becoming to calluses?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 3, 2011 5:51 PM | Report abuse

sbj3
@Greg: Wait a minute. You think it's a *fantasy* that "Democrats are broadly convinced that the vast majority of Tea Partyers are closet or overt racists?"

It seems quite apparent to me that the majority of your readers who comment agree with that "fantasy".
------------------------------------------------------

Good attempt at changing the subject. G. Sargent's article was not about what most Democrats think. It was not about what most of the people who comment in the comment sections think. It was about what the president thinks about the tea party.

So you are addressing a point that wasn't made by the article at all on any level.

Posted by: iamme74 | March 3, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to Disneyland. Today is Pretend Day. Let's all pretend.

Are all teabaggers virulent racists? Of course not. Are *any* of them vehemently anti-racist? Apparently not.

Direct evidence: you don't see photos from any TP gathering without a few racists signs in evidence. Pictures of Obama with a bone in his nose. Dale Robertson carrying a sign with the n-word (misspelled, amazingly enough). OK, a minority .. but a minority perfectly comfortable and tolerated, not a glimmer of daylight around the sign-holders, nobody coming up to them telling them to tone it down.

If one of the Wisconsin protesters carried a sign saying "Assassinate Walker" do you think he'd be as comfortable?

Maybe not every tea bagger gets out of bed thinking about the outrage of "a nịgger in the White House" but there doesn't seem to me any push-back against the ones who do.

Indirect evidence: as stated above. The problems the baggers claim to be moved by aren't new with Obama, he's a piker next to Bush when it comes to expanding deficits, and the very acronym itself, Taxed Enough Already, is a lie. Obama has lowered taxes.

And, sorry, but I'm not cutting any slack on the "take our country back" and birther stuff. That's proxy racism, period.

As are the charges of reverse racism coming from every cracker in the country, and most of all those leveled at Obama.

Posted by: caothien9 | March 3, 2011 11:21 PM | Report abuse

""The poor innocents on the left have just sat idly by while the meanies on the right have appropriated all the big important words, and distorted them beyon

well, you certainly are a master at kindergarten level analysis -- is dumbing down your specialty?

Posted by: fiona5 | March 3, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse"

Perhaps he is fiona5, but then again your original statement wasn't much better.

Posted by: joelammers2000 | March 10, 2011 10:16 PM | Report abuse

"Good attempt at changing the subject. G. Sargent's article was not about what most Democrats think. It was not about what most of the people who comment in the comment sections think. It was about what the president thinks about the tea party.

So you are addressing a point that wasn't made by the article at all on any level.

Posted by: iamme74 | March 3, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse "

If you read Sargent's first paragraph, however, he does make exactly that point, that it is a "right wing" fantasy that most Tea partyers think that Democrats broadly believe that they are racist. Later Sargent switches emphasis to Obama. Sbj3 is making a valid point.

Posted by: joelammers2000 | March 10, 2011 10:26 PM | Report abuse

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