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Posted at 2:34 PM ET, 03/ 2/2011

Breaking: Wisconsin Dems throw their weight behind drive to recall GOP Senators

By Greg Sargent

The Wisconsin Democratic Party has decided to throw its weight behind a nascent grassroots drive to recall a number of GOP state senators, a move that will considerably increase the pressure on them to break with Governor Scott Walker, the Dem party chair confirms to me.

"The proposals and the policies that Republicans are pushing right now are not what they campaigned on, and they're extreme," the party chair, Mike Tate, said in an interview. "Something needs to be done about it now. We're happy to stand with citizens who are filling papers to recall these senators."

Previously, Wisconsin Dems had not publicly supported talk about recalling GOP Senators, in hopes of privately reaching a negotiated solution to the crisis. The Wisconsin Democratic Party's decision to support the recall drives represents a significant ratcheting up of hostilities and in essence signals that all bets are off.

Eight Republican Senators are eligible to be recalled right now, and various groups around Wisconsin are beginning to file papers to make it happen. Tate told me that the party would throw its organization behind such efforts

"We're an aggressive, on-the-ground group and we're going to be looking to aid these citizens in any way we can," he said.

Tate said he couldn't say whether such a recall drive would result in GOP Senators breaking with Walker, given their solidarity so far, but he vowed that a number of them would pay the price by losing their own jobs.

"There are Republican senators today that will lose their seats in a recall election in the next few months," he said "We're happy to assist."

Asked if Wisconsin Dems would drop their push to recall senators if they abandoned the drive to roll back public employee bargaining rights. Tate said he couldn't guarantee that, arguing that Walker's proposed budget cuts yesterday took this fight to a whole new level.

"In the past 24 hours, this has gotten so much larger than the rights of our public employees," he said. "This is much larger now than it was a week ago."

UPDATE, 3:08 p.m.: Ian Millhiser has some detail on the slim vote margin some of these Republicans won office with, and on how a recall would work.

And Sam Stein notes that Wisconsin Dems are already raising money to support the recall effort.

UPDATE, 3:43 p.m.: The SEIU is now soliciting support for the recall drives, suggesting labor may join the push to collect the required signatures necessary to make them happen.

UPDATE, 4:19 p.m.: We now have a total of four national polls all showing solid support for public employees.

By Greg Sargent  | March 2, 2011; 2:34 PM ET
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Comments

Walker really wants to drive the bus off the cliff. Hopefully every one else can jump off before it goes over said cliff.

Posted by: PhilPerspective | March 2, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Wisconsin is gone from zany sideshow to serious and now has turned into something Obama has to deal with, directly.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 2, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Will those Republican State Senators turn against Gov. Scott Kochdaffi, or will they don Slankets and go fly bombing sorties against the Education Depots?

Posted by: Liam-still | March 2, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK FROM THE TEAPUBLICAN INBREEDS!


RECALL!


RECALL!


RECALL!

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Posted by: DrainYou | March 2, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

What is the current party split in the WI State Senate?

What is the current split in the state's HoR?

Why no Rep recall?

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 2, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

given walker's plummeting numbers in wisconsin polls, too bad he can't be recalled until january 2012. i'm sure he doesn't give a damn about the republican rank and file being recalled - he is obviously only all about his own political ambitions, not them, or wisconsin. i hope the nasty fitzgerald brothers are on the immediate recall list!

Posted by: ebproducer | March 2, 2011 2:56 PM | Report abuse

S'bout time. Give 'em hell, Tate.

Posted by: converse | March 2, 2011 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Recall all the fleebagging democrats.

Posted by: Cornell1984 | March 2, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

What about threating a nation wide boycott of all things, Wisconsin, should Gov. Kochdaffi get his way.

That might put more heat on those Republican state senators, to break away from their little beady eyed despot.

Imagine what such a boycott would do to the Wisconsin economy. No tourism to all their water parks etc, and no sales of cheese products, paper products,Harleys etc.

Threat of such a boycott, might turn up the flames under those Republican State Senators' behinds.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 2, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Tweet from Libya, Abdel Ghafar "When #libya is liberated, I think #egypt,#libya, #tunis should form a real #arab league for free Arab people."

Poor al-Qaeda, falling into the dustbin of history can happen really fast.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 2, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I have no doubt that progressive groups will soon join the fray on this front, but trying to help out in gathering sigs and whatnot.

It should be interesting to see if the DNC or OFA put any weight behind this effort.

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | March 2, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I want my country from the socialist/communist union thugs that feel that they are entitled to more of my money just because they work for the government.
there putting out threat after threat and I am sick of it.
( lets boycott small businesses that supported Scott, Lets recall Republican senators,) what next are you going to make me an offer I cant refuse?
I have one for you YOUR FIRED, you go ahead and strike ask PATCO what happened to them and I say its about time.

Posted by: gunthar1895 | March 2, 2011 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Greg continues his pathetic cheerleading for democrats.

Carrying water for union thugs. Great work if you can get it - right greg?

Posted by: manbearpig4 | March 2, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Only in the Freeper alternate "reality" would folks call teachers, nurses and firemen who *negotiate* "thugs".

I wonder what they would call a real thug. "Mr. Speaker", perhaps?

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | March 2, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse

manbear- in all fairness to Greg, I don't think he ever makes a claim to be a neutral observer. He owns his partisanship, and if you disagree with him, he is generally willing to acknowledge where there is room for debate. His is an opinion blog. It isn't meant to be entirely objective. He is trying to convince his readers of his viewpoint.

Posted by: mobrien83 | March 2, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Why is this not being discussed at Plum Line, TPM, Think Progress?

-Bernanke: Spending cuts would cost jobs-

"That would translate into a couple of hundred thousand jobs," he said. "So it's not trivial."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110302/ts_yblog_thelookout/bernanke-spending-cuts-would-cost-jobs

JOBS JOBS JOBS!!!

It is THE #1 ISSUE in America!

Let's go leftie blogs. Hook me up with some GOP Job Cut stories plz!

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 2, 2011 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Walker was elected into this. the democrats left him in the hole and all he is doing is digging us out. If there is a recall vote the senators who fled should be voted out. They were elected to lead not sit and do nothing in a different state!! And your protest have cost the state of Wisconsin six million dollars I hope you realize this is just coming out of your tax money.

Posted by: maxstix | March 2, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

"Imagine what such a boycott would do to the Wisconsin economy. No tourism to all their water parks etc, and no sales of cheese products, paper products,Harleys etc."

It's great to see the Wisconsin Dems play the type of hard ball that the Obama Admin. has refused to do with the GOP in the last two years. I'm of mixed mind regarding a boycott. As a family we have spent a lot of dough in WI over the years at the Wisconsin Dells and Lake Geneva. Part of me says why hurt the people in the service sector. Since Walker was elected by a comparatively small portion of the eligible WI voters, and has now moved in with a Trojam Horse agenda, perhaps a boycott , while it could hurt WI in the short run, may ultimately help the people of the state that really want this smarmy rascal out.
As for paper products, just boycott Georgia Pacific products (Brawny, Dixie Cups, etc.), which is owned by Koch Industries.

Posted by: filmnoia | March 2, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Its Gadhafi not Kochdaffi. I'm tired of these terrible comparisons. Some democratic lady called the republicans Nazi; well Nazi's where socialist and Our current democratic policy's are pretty socialist if you ask me. So maybe people should know their history before they run their mouths.

Posted by: maxstix | March 2, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"As for paper products, just boycott Georgia Pacific products (Brawny, Dixie Cups, etc.), which is owned by Koch Industries."

Angel Soft, Quilted Northern, Soft 'n' Gentle, Mardi Gras, Vanity Fair, and Zee also.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 2, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Greg, you are such a limp wristed fairy. Perhaps if you didn't spend your entire day on liberal websites you wouldn't be such a complete loser. Give it a try Greg. You might even make something out of your worthless life.

Posted by: mges123 | March 2, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"I want my country from the socialist/communist union thugs that feel that they are entitled to more of my money just because they work for the government."

When this is what you are up against, you might as well fight. Backing down gets you nothing.

1) Being a member of a union does not make you socialist or (LOL) a communist.

2) Policemen and firemen are "thugs?"

3) They don't feel like they are "entitled to more of your money." In the case of Wisconsin they've already given the governor everything else except remaining a union.

4) Also you don't negotiate on the job for a better salary and benefits? Seriously you should. That's how you ensure you remain valued. If you let people walk all over you, they will.

Which is a lesson Democrats need to learn.

Posted by: Alex3 | March 2, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Alex- I don't believe the police and firemen are involved in the Wisconsin issue as they are exempted from the provisions that have created the controversy. Other than that, agreed.

Posted by: mobrien83 | March 2, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

@filmnoia

Like you I have great concerns re a boycott.
IMO it's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater....

BUT..if you must boycott..please visit Michigan's Upper Peninsula..we're not that far north of Wisconsin and it's beautiful...
I'm just kidding because I would feel awful having my neighbors benefit at the cost of other neighbors...See I've just convinced myself..I'm not really for any boycotts.

As a Floridian who sweated out the damage from BP's Deepwater Horizon mess I was severely tempted to boycott BP stations...but even then you mostly end up harming the poor franchisee who is working to keep his convenience store alive and needs to sell that gas.

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 2, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Looking at the tortured post of maxstix it seems like they have lost their way from AOL. It's usually there that the pre literate numb skulls post.

Posted by: filmnoia | March 2, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"Greg, you are such a limp wristed fairy."

"If you let people walk all over you, they will."

I think we are getting somewhere!

Posted by: shrink2 | March 2, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"Nazi's where socialist"

There is SO MUCH wrong with that sentence fragment. In fact, there's something wrong about each individual word!

Awesome.

Definitely the idiot post of the day.

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 2, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Deep news thought for the afternoon: Muammar Gaddafi and Amazons, Charlie Sheen and goddesses, and Scott Walker in a room.

Posted by: AllButCertain | March 2, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

maxstix: "Nazi's where socialist and Our current democratic policy's are pretty socialist if you ask me. So maybe people should know their history before they run their mouths."

LOL

YOU go first cuz there is a lot wrong with your comment, historically speaking.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 2, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"I hope you realize this is just coming out of your tax money."

Do you suppose this poster is aware that our taxes are at the lowest point in over 50 years.

Again....we are at about 15% of GDP..historically we run about 18% of GDP..we have enjoyed prosperity at times when we got as high as 20% of GDP.

Now folks if you are TRULY worried about the deficit and not some lying Republican paying lip service to the teabaggers...

Digest THIS....if we raised taxes..corporations now pay 8% of the burden they used to shoulder 25%..the wealthy have been given a free ride by the R's...if we raised taxes even temporarily to that 20% marker we would have an additional 700 BILLION $ to balance the budget.

Now simply cut defense to it's pre George the Stoopid levels..67% ago..and that's another 500 BILLION $

Two simple moves and we've just cut 1.2 TRILLION FROM OUR ANNUAL DEFICIT...

Which for 2011 is projected at 1.066 Trillion!!!!


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-19/u-s-budget-deficit-forecast-increased-by-cbo-to-1-066-trillion-for-2011.html

That means we'd actually have close to .2 Trillion left over to pay down the existing deficit.

How can ANYBODY but a teabagging loon take the R's serious on the deficit. They have yet to mention taxes..other than cutting them even though THEY ARE AT THEIR LOWEST IN OVER 50 years!!! Sorry to shout but this drives me nuckin futs.

They won't touch defense and why...because they are all..R's and D's total wh0res for the M.I.C.

Two steps to balance the budget and they won't even consider touching either of them...as in raising taxes..and cutting the waste in our defensive posture.

The R's are not serious about the deficit..they are very serious when it comes to IGMGFY

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 2, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"Definitely the idiot post of the day."

Do you think that the post of maxstix is a goof on us, some sort of right wing guerrilla theater or an escapee from CPAC? How else can you explain the sheer brain dead idiocy, unless it's this night time pot shot shooter Brigade, who posts hours after the fact, using an alias?

Posted by: filmnoia | March 2, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

All, we now have FOUR national polls showing solid support for public employees:

http://wapo.st/dR0eFI

Posted by: Greg Sargent | March 2, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

ABC, we need a lot more of that kind of thing.

So maybe people
Nazi's where socialist
his story runs mouth

Posted by: shrink2 | March 2, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

At least the Republicans haven't left the state and will be able to defend themselves in a recall election. The Democrats will be in Illinois watching the evening news.

Posted by: CitizenWest | March 2, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

shrink, I dropped a minor home county anecdote for you around 2 a.m. on the Sunday open thread. Don't know if you saw it . . .

Posted by: AllButCertain | March 2, 2011 4:31 PM | Report abuse

CitizenWest -

If you're honest( a dubious proposition for the Right) and the shoe were on the other foot, you would be sending food packages to the GOPers parked across the state line. Politicians are elected to serve the interests of their constituents, and that's exactly what these 14 have been doing for 2 weeks, instead of being doormats for a lockstep GOP vote.

Posted by: filmnoia | March 2, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

mark_in_austin asks
"What is the current party split in the WI State Senate?

What is the current split in the state's HoR?

Why no Rep recall?"

Says Wikipedia:
"Currently, Wisconsin is divided into 33 Senate Districts (1/3 of the current Assembly membership of 99)"

If one of the 14 AWOL Dems returns, they will have a quorum. If 8 Repub senators are recalled, Dems would only need to win 3 to retake the majority.

The state's 'HoR' is the Assembly, of 99 members (see above).

In WI, elected officials are eligible for recall after serving one year of their term. The Assembly has 2 year terms, so nobody in that body is yet eligible for recall. The Senate has staggered elections to 4 year terms, meaning 8 Repubs are eligible for recall.

Posted by: bsimon1 | March 2, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I did and that drives me nuts.
It is as if everyone were Lutheran,
as if the Krebsbachs owned the whole County instead of a few gas stations.

Not really, even though his stories don't resonate with my childhood, they sound like that could have happened in a place up the road.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 2, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

And Michele Bachmann doesn't help.

Posted by: AllButCertain | March 2, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Go for it!

Just come on back and let the legislative process work.

Posted by: blasmaic | March 2, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse


Of course it is the 14 craven Dim fugitives who really ought to be recalled, having run away from the Wisconsin senate and their duties as senators.

Posted by: screwjob26 | March 2, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

This is hilarious! The leftist radical party once called the "Democrat Party" is threatening to recall some GOP Senators and possibly the Gov for doing what?...Getting the fiscal house of Wis in order, that's what. So the Leftist Radicals once called the "Democrat Party" is now the party of fiscal irresponsibility and anti-taxpayer. Great. Run on that and see how far you get, DummycRATs. Bite the tax payers hand and see what happens...Oh, and GET BACK TO WORK YOU JA>C>K>A>S>S!!!!

Posted by: NO-bama | March 2, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

"And Michele Bachmann doesn't help."

I don't know how old you are, but when I was little, we were so intensely local. My family life revolved around the convent and the woods, the weather, but mostly St. Bens. We left when I was nine. If you grew up in St. Cloud, you probably got to go to McCarthy's all the time. That was big medicine for us. Until he was four, my little brother thought we bought him in the watermelon section at Super Val U.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 2, 2011 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Umm So.
The Repuclians can run out of the state then.

Posted by: win1 | March 2, 2011 5:40 PM | Report abuse

.

Hey Democrats,

Statistical Analysis 101:

Replacing the bottom 5-8 percent of dumb teachers:

A teacher one standard deviation above the mean effectiveness annually generates marginal gains of over $400,000 in present value of student future earnings with a class size of 20 and proportionately higher with larger class sizes.

Alternatively, replacing the bottom 5-8 percent of teachers with average teachers could move the U.S. near the top of international math and science rankings with a present value of $100 trillion.

.

Posted by: kstobbe1 | March 2, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Ok brilliant liberals. We are broke. We cannot afford to "negotiate" (wink, wink, nod, nod) with unions who, while once reasonable, became like pigs at a trough. I don't blame union members...I blame their leadership. OH, that's right...tax the rich. That's the solution to everything. Wait...Wisconsin is already a tax hell and the "rich" are leaving in droves. Now what do we do???? Cut spending??? Heaven forbid. That's certainly not a liberal stand. Let's just borrow some more and worry about it later. Guess what...later is here. Thank God for Scott Walker. At least he has some balls.

Posted by: sensibleone1 | March 2, 2011 6:20 PM | Report abuse

"At least he has some balls."
A Republican with real balls would acknowledge the role corporate favoritism and distribution of jobs by "American" companies overseas have played in Wisconsin's economic role.

I'd also like to point out that the unions were and still are willing to take the economic deduction without protest. Walker has instead decided to overreach in order to strike a very obviously political blow against teachers and nurses.

Interestingly, the firefighters and police see the writing on the wall, and even though they were not targeted have come out VERY strongly against Walker's assault on the American worker.

Posted by: curtisjasper | March 2, 2011 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Greg continues his pathetic cheerleading for democrats.

Carrying water for union thugs. Great work if you can get it - right greg?

Posted by: manbearpig4 | March 2, 2011

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Calling teachers, policemen and firefighters thugs, tells everyone just how stupid you are and what a lousy American you are.
These people are being used by the billionaire brothers who finance the rightwingnuts and they are paying for Walker to break the unions so they can hire people for slave wages. If you are too darn ignorant and uneducated to see that, then the thug might be you.
I'd like to see you face one of those policement while you call him a thug. You need to tell the truth about who is being made to pay for the theft of our countries wealth by Wall Street. Why in the name of God should these public servants be punished for Wisconsin's bankrupt legislaters failing to do their jobs? They didn't cause this recession and union busting is a rightwing tactic that they have been foaming at the mouth for forever. Calling decent Americans thugs labels you a coward, a really lousy coward. fritz

Posted by: papafritz571 | March 2, 2011 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Only in the Freeper alternate "reality" would folks call teachers, nurses and firemen who *negotiate* "thugs".

I wonder what they would call a real thug. "Mr. Speaker", perhaps?

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | March 2, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse
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Hey lib, explain why the ones who get screwed, the American taxpayer, have no seat at these "negotiations"?

Posted by: steelers01 | March 2, 2011 7:23 PM | Report abuse

According to the Wisconsin Constitution they cannot recall Walker for a year anyway...yawn.
They will all be serving in Afganistan or Lybia by then anyway.

Posted by: dottydo | March 2, 2011 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Wisconsin cannot recall Walker for one year from their election oif him.
By that time they will all be serving in the mulitary in Lybia or Afganistan.
Yawn.
It's a non story.

Posted by: dottydo | March 2, 2011 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Wow, what an original idea! Haven't the petitions to recall some of the missing dems been active for several weeks now?

Let's have this fight moochers.

Posted by: standard_guy | March 2, 2011 7:48 PM | Report abuse

The Wisconsin Democratic Party has decided to throw its weight behind a nascent grassroots drive to recall……………..
"We're an aggressive, on-the-ground group and we're going to be looking to aid these citizens in any way we can," he said.
_________

Here come the Acorns. Fetching signatures for recall papers, or I should say falsifying what they can't fetch.

Posted by: UglyMutt | March 2, 2011 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Sargent and these lefties are delusional. Instead of doing their jobs they are trying to avoid democracy and push their silliness to a new level.

These cowards sit in Illinois, afraid to do their jobs and suggest the Republicans should get recalled - HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by: Realist201 | March 2, 2011 8:00 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats, since they can't get their way have decided to destroy their State. What businessman in his right mind would want to settle his business in that State seeing the protests the Democrats are behind, the Democrat Senators playing hookey along with the WI teachers, the State capitol being destroyed by imported demonstrators leaving filth all over the place and now those who are not even there to do the jobs they were elected to perform are trying to get those who are doing their jobs recalled.

Typical Democrat mess. Obama's men.

If they can't get what they want then they DESTROY, DESTROY DESTROY. And the paid protesters signs with the clenched fists, an exact replica of the International Socialists Organization, clearly represent what these demented Democrats will do to the State of Wisconsin. Shame on them!

Posted by: mlbduffy | March 2, 2011 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Desperate...the Dems are sooooo Desperate. They saw the Ohio vote today and see their socialist dream gong down the toilet. It won't work though - let them try to recall - it will waste even more SEIU money that won't be available for the 2012 campaign!

Posted by: Realist201 | March 2, 2011 8:14 PM | Report abuse

papafritz571
These people are being used by the billionaire brothers who finance the rightwingnuts and they are paying for Walker to break the unions so they can hire people for slave wages. If you are too darn ignorant and uneducated to see that, then the thug might be you.
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You forget who finances the Democrats. Can you say Union. As in SEIU, AFL-CIO, AFSCME. AFSCME is an arm of the Democratic Party. SEIU Andy Stern not only served on Obama's deficit commission, he was also the top visitor to the White House in 2009, the first year Obama was in office. Richard Trumka, AFL-CIO's head boss, is on tape saying that he talks to someone at the White House every day.

There's a word for this, and it's not "nascent grassroots."

Get YOURSELF educated.

Posted by: UglyMutt | March 2, 2011 8:31 PM | Report abuse

he is obviously only all about his own political ambitions, not them, or wisconsin.

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Have you seen ANY Republican acting in his own self-interest? They don't do that. They do Conservative Things.

Posted by: caothien9 | March 2, 2011 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Some democratic lady called the republicans Nazi; well Nazi's where socialist

==

You damned idiot.

The Nazis were Fascists, and Fascism is totalitarianism of the right.

Posted by: caothien9 | March 2, 2011 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Sometime in the not so distant future there will be states who were incapable of making the necessary hard choices that would allow them to get control of their looming deficits, and they will be looking for some kind of federal taxpayer funded bail-out of their bloated pension funds and other unfunded liabilities.

When that time comes the taxpayers of those states that were willing to do what was necessary are not going to be in any mood to also have to contribute to idiots in places like California, Wisconsin, New York, etc. Don't even begin to look for support from those of us in states that have already bitten the bullet too also bite yours for you. You'll just have to take your lumps at whatever passes for a state level bankruptcy hearing without any additional taxpayer dollars to ease your pain.

Posted by: Sproing | March 2, 2011 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Stand up to these Republican job snuffing thugs! Recall them. They were bought off by the Kochs as well. These scumballs want to give the governor dictatorial rights to sell off the state owned utilities in no-bid contracts. And start the paperwork on Walker as well. He didn't run on what he is peddling now that he is in office.

Posted by: glenglish | March 3, 2011 12:23 AM | Report abuse

caothien9

"You damned idiot.

The Nazis were Fascists, and Fascism is totalitarianism of the right."

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You could not be more wrong. Fascism comes from the Italian "Fasce," and was a movement started by Benito Mussolini, manifestly a man of the left. The name "Nazis" is an abbreviation for the German words for "National Socialists."

The reason people call Nazis "right wingers" was because politically they were to the right of their arch-enemies, the international socialists, personified by the Communists in the Soviet Union. It has nothing to do with the American concept of "right-wingers," save that in intra-left disputes, there's nothing worse than calling your opponent a "right-winger."

The conflict between the national socialists and the Communists (or international socialists) was doctrinal. Hitler, himself an ardent socialist, believed that the Socialist Utopia could only be properly formed by a society that was culturally and racially "pure" and not contaminated by lesser races. He believed you could create a socialist society within a nation-state framework. This was directly contrary to Marx and the international socialists who believed that to work properly, a socialist society must be global in scope and all nation-states discarded as relics of feudal tribalism.

Read the platform of the Nazi party some time. Here's some of the good bits:

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.

COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD

25. In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.

Not exactly a right-wing social program, is it?

Posted by: Delsyn | March 3, 2011 12:27 AM | Report abuse

The recall will be LONG AFTER they END the unholy alliance between the Government hack unions and the Democratic Party, thank God!! Bring it on. I'm sure there will be just as many cowardly Democrats recalled for RUNNING and HIDING in IL and shirking their duties....

Posted by: peteto | March 3, 2011 3:41 AM | Report abuse

One thing I think doesn't get nearly enough press is this. It's obvious at this point that this is in no way about Budget issues, because Walker will not budge on anything except total removal of collective bargaining EXCEPT over Salary, of course Salary is capped. But what other things would Unions do with their collective bargaining rights?

Remember back when Kansas and so many other states were trying so hard to put completely unscientific and unreal things inside school textbooks? Yeah, you can thank Teachers unions for stopping that, because without them chances are you'd never even knew they were trying to.

So what we really lose, the thing that's being hurt the most, is that there will now be no force preventing unscrupulous politicians from changing what's taught in schools to forward their own agendas (on either side of the aisle.) That, in my opinion, is the biggest travesty of this whole escapade that no one talks about.

Posted by: Fallout2man | March 3, 2011 4:00 AM | Report abuse

Well of course they do, why would they want the Taxpayers to wise up to the unholy alliance between Taxpayer dollars and the public unions and Democrat Party.

Posted by: sam51 | March 3, 2011 6:07 AM | Report abuse

Really Compost? Really?

Posted by: wewintheylose1 | March 3, 2011 8:02 AM | Report abuse

[caothien9 spat: "Fascism is totalitarianism of the right."]

Hitler was an anti-Christian, neo-pagan LEFTIST as has been exhaustively demonstrated by Dr. John Ray.
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id2.html

For those who wish to explore the subject in greater depth, a useful recent resource would be a book by an expert on Italian Fascism: “The Faces of Janus: Marxism and Fascism in the 20th Century”, by A. James Gregor.
http://www.amazon.com/Faces-Janus-Marxism-Fascism-Twentieth/dp/0300106025

Gregor exhaustively demonstrates that Fascism and Nazism modelled their methods on the atheistic Marxism of Lenin and Stalin; and that the Fascist idea of adding nationalism to socialism was later taken up by Stalin and Mao— so that (in the end) Fascism and Communism were merely twin atheistic Marxist sects. Thus, during the era of their big confrontation, Soviet Russia and Maoist China were perfectly correct in accusing one-another of being “fascists.”

100s of millions of sacrificial offerings to Leftist orthodoxy don’t lie. That’s one big steaming pile of corpses your dogs dumped in history’s living room. Own it, progressives.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 3, 2011 9:34 AM | Report abuse

[maxstix: "Its Gadhafi not Kochdaffi."]

CORRECT! And the entrenched thugocrats are the public employee unions-- not the duly elected Republican representatives of average taxpayers.

Try harder to avoid avoid the psychological transference of blaming Republicans for union extortionists, progressives.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 3, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Recall efforts against four fleebagging Democrats are also already under way.

But unlike Leftists, conservatives aren’t limited to recall petitions against Democratic fugitives. A Wisconsin citizen has filed suit against Jim Holperin requesting an order of mandamus to get him to perform his duties, and earlier today a state senate committee (with Democrats absent, natch) approved daily $100 fines for members who miss floor sessions.

Luckily, fleebagger Dems have kind-hearted mommies and daddies to help pay their bills while they’re in Illinois striking a blow for obstruction or whatever.
http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/261111/parents-footing-bill-wisconsin-state-senator-chicago

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 3, 2011 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Wow, so the infantile illiberals can't debate, they can't take the election results (unless in their favor), and any means to an end is fitting; sounds like marx to me. So when the real revolution starts and the strength of the real Americans physically crushes the marxist backed unions,THEN and only then can America once again be a great nation. We have alot of work to eradicate the marxists that have driven this country down. To use the not so eloquent words, BRING IT DOWN ILLIBERAL, you're weak and when fists come down, you'll be crushed. Afterall, your cowardice isn't becoming and your lack of intelligence is overwhelming. Wake Up Sheeple!!!

Posted by: Intellibronc | March 3, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Ahh just like the bunch of bong toting, sniveling punks. Don't like the results, pull a barry and get your opponent eliminated rather than use the court of debate. Why not marxists, why do you run from debate? Well, when the real power of American comes crushing down on you like your own hammer, you'll be forever eliminated from the gutters of American. Bring it on commies, we'll crush you. Wake Up Sheeple!!!

Posted by: Intellibronc | March 3, 2011 10:49 AM | Report abuse

More and more greedy Union tactics. How in the world can you Union people live with yourselves? I guess because you just think of yourselves and no one else. Well you've been on the gravy train way too long, its time to dump you greedy dirtbags and your greedy Union!

Posted by: Smartteacher | March 3, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse

As an educator for 30+ years I find what the WI teachers(union) are doing is appalling. I have not observed intelligence,integrity or class examplied by the "thugish" mob scenes. If this type of behavior carries over into the classroom parents should transfer their children to another class. All the ranting and raving is the liberal way to hold onto power. To act sanely and play by the rules(as Obama and Polosi told the Republicans "we won")is not in their MO. In this case Walker won so vote him out next time around. But this is a much too reasonable and "democratic" process for these losers to comprehend. Union members don't seem to understand that their union bosses are terrified of losing their power and big bucks...taken from the tax-payer of whom many are jobless! And they'd better pray for more businesses to thrive in WI. in order to hire workers in order to provide their(teachers) salaries. Is that too difficult to understand? But it all boils down to procuring(by any means) power for the Democrat(definitely not democratic) party. Unfortunately, the '08 election seemed to prove that this country has become a nation of gimmies,yuppies and dummies,a socialistic nation...easy Pickings" for a dictator.

Posted by: jandinkins | March 3, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Too many comments in a short while? It appeared that I had several "characters" left to use. But as I said(one thing) it seems that the '08 election proved that this nation has become a nation of gimmies,yuppies and dummies. Union members should be wanting more businesses to move to WI in order to give jobs to the state's jobless in order to pay their(teachers)salaries. And I would really like to see some integrity,class and intelligence examplied by the WI protestors.

Posted by: jandinkins | March 3, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I submitted one comment. You said that I had subbmitted too many. I do not understand.

Posted by: jandinkins | March 3, 2011 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Maybe you do not accept comments from a conservative point of view?

Posted by: jandinkins | March 3, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Wow, what a sad article and what sad comments from Democrat Party members that clearly have no idea how to do math and what their state is facing. To justify the thug tactics of these unions is beyond comprehension. If Gov. Walker does not get this bill passed, I will be chuckling from the sidelines as literally thousands of these "brave" union thugs suddenly find themselves...WITHOUT JOBS. Talk about suicidal stupidity.

Posted by: srpatterso | March 3, 2011 12:17 PM | Report abuse

It clearly is a major conflict of interest for the union to be negotiating a contract with politicians (democrats) that depend on union political contributions to get elected. Either you are in the union or are a corrupt democrat supporter because those are the only two groups that benefit from the kickback scheme or are willing to look the other way. Both of those groups make a lot of noise but do not actually have enough members to do anything politically so I doubt the republicans being threatened with recall are worried in the slightest.

Posted by: peterg73 | March 3, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"It clearly is a major conflict of interest for ANY CORPORATION to be negotiating a contract with politicians OF ANY PARTY OR NONE that depend on CORPORATE political contributions to get elected."

Fixed it for you.
I obviously don't speak for any party, any politician, any special interest, or any pressure group.
But I am very confident that most Americans would agree that what is right and proper for any employees of our governments is also right and proper for any business enterprise that contracts with our governments in any way.
The situations are beyond analogous, they are identical.
Except we never hear any TeaPartiers yelling about how Blackwater (now XE) and other military contractors are stealing our hard-earned tax-dollars while underserving our warfighters.
We never hear conservatives going off on how the investment bankers and insurance firms (especially AIG; google it) have been "made whole" for their self-created losses in the mortgage-backed-securities crash with our taxpayer dollars.
The day the corporations are prohibited from using the money WE GIVE THEM to promote their profits with corrupt control of bought-and-paid-for pols is the day we can take away collective bargaining rights and the rights to donate and be represented in our halls of government from the people who work for all of us.
I'd happily take that deal.
I'm very confident the unions ("thugs" and all) would, too.
Would the Republicans?
Would any of you?
I'll wait for your answers -- but I won't be holding my breath.

Posted by: smartalek | March 3, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

After watching this unfold all I can say is I pull my support from the Democrat party and unions. Do they not understand we are at a moment in our history where we do not have the MONEY! It is NOT there, all across the country people have made choices to get through these troubling times, and no doubt it was not easily done, but was necessary to ride out the storm. The way these grown people are acting, like they are entitled off of the taxpayers back makes me sick, for once think about the picture you make of yourself.

Posted by: ANDREAMN | March 3, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Greg, of course you are excited about national polls that support the unions. Fact is, a significant number of people don't even understand what collective bargaining means. I asked around my office today, and only 1 of 13 people truly understand it. So, three cheers for ignorance, eh?

Posted by: sybilll | March 3, 2011 10:02 PM | Report abuse

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