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Posted at 11:07 AM ET, 03/ 8/2011

Drive to recall Wisconsin GOP senators gaining steam, Dems say

By Greg Sargent

So how's the drive to recall Wisconsin GOP state senators going? If these new numbers the Wisconsin Democratic Party shares with me are accurate, it's already exceeding expectations in a big way.

Graeme Zielinski, a spokesman for the party, tells me that activists working on the recall push already collected over the weekend 15 percent of the total necessary signatures needed to force recalls in all eight of the GOP districts Dems are targeting. He says that the party -- which is helping to coordinate and keeping track of outside efforts to gather signatures -- set itself a goal of 10,000 signatures for the weekend, and has already exceeded it by 35 percent.

Zielinski also claims that recall forces over the weekend put more than 2,000 volunteers on the street to collect signatures. He also says volunteers have collected 26 percent of the signatures required in one district, and 20 percent in another, though he wouldn't say which ones, because Dems want GOP senators to fret that they are the ones in question.

If these numbers are close to accurate, they are a surprising sign of the power of the grassroots energy uncorked by Scott Walker's union-busting proposals. Under Wisconsin law, a recall requires a number of signatures totaling 25 percent of the number that voted in the last gubernatorial election.

In case you're tempted to regard these numbers with skepticism, given the source, keep in mind that they could be easily disproved -- and Wisconsin Dems caught inflating numbers -- if organizers were to end up falling well short of the required signatures. What's more, as the Milwakee Journal Sentinel reported the other day, the influx of national money and the unique energy on the ground in Wisconsin suggests there's good reason to think recall drives in the state could prove to have unprecedented success. And Walker's continued attacks on Dems and labor are only serving to further stoke passions.

Also: As Ben Smith pointed out yesterday, the mechanics of recall drives favor unions, because of their organizing ability, and because many Republicans in Wisconsin occupy swing districts. Fourteen out of 19 GOP state senators preside over districts carried in 2008 by Obama.

Bottom line: If these recall drives continue to generate this kind of momentum, it will mean that even if Walker does get his way on bargaining rights, the fight will only continue, and could get even more intense as labor and the left shift their energy into knocking off senate Republicans. It seems the recall hounds may have been unleashed.

UPDATE, 11:52 a.m.: A Senate Republican tells the Green Bay Press Gazette it's time for Walker to compromise:

Republicans should be willing to meet Democrats halfway on aspects of collective bargaining that have little or no monetary impact, longtime Republican Sen. Rob Cowles said Monday evening.

In a telephone conversation with the Green Bay Press-Gazette, Cowles, R-Allouez, said Republicans already got the lion's share of what they were looking for from unions in pension and health care contributions, and a compromise with Democrats on the rest of Gov. Scott Walker's budget repair bill is expected soon.

GOP senator Dale Schultz has already called for a compromise, so that makes two. The key here is that Cowles, a Republican, is conceding that Walker has already been offered the fiscal concessions he asked for, and that the bargaining rights piece would have little or no fiscal impact.

By Greg Sargent  | March 8, 2011; 11:07 AM ET
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"Under Wisconsin law, a recall requires a number of signatures totaling 25 percent of the number that voted in the last gubernatorial election."

The signatures have to be from registered or just eligible voters?

Posted by: jnc4p | March 8, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse

So what's the next step? Then you just have an election on whether to recall the Senator?

Posted by: DDAWD | March 8, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

We seem to have a man of rock solid principle in Governor Walker. So far, he'e not backing down.

The unionistas are applying maximum pressure abd are calling all thugs to action.

This could make or break Walker.

If he breaks, Wisconsin will sink farther into fiscal morass.

That seems to be what they want, if Rasmussen says so.

They'll be back.

Posted by: battleground51 | March 8, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

If one considered George Corley Wallace standing in the School House Door, " a man of rock solid principle".

Posted by: Liam-still | March 8, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Governor Jim Doyle(D) of Wisconsin turned over a state to Gov, Kochdaffi, with one of the lowest unemployment levels; 7.5%, and one of the smallest budget deficits in the country.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 8, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Before getting rushed into enforcing a no fly zone over Libya; President Obama should slow down, and reflect on what happened, when we went down that same rabbit hole in the past.

If we start enforcing a no fly zone over all of Libya, what will be the time limit on it, and what will we do, if that time limit has expired, and Qadaffi is still hunkered down, and waging a civil war.

What is our end game supposed to be?

What will we do, if some of our pilots are shot down and captured?

What will we do, when one of our strikes to take out their defense sites, hits the wrong target, and kills some women and children?

How will we deal with oil smugglers and bribes to international players, such as happened in Iraq?

How will we deal with another Blackhawk down incident?

President Obama better be careful about jumping on the tiger's back. It is when we need to dismount, that we will end up getting mauled, once more.

Since Libya has been a big supplier of energy to Italy and other EU nations, then why not let them step to the plate, and enforce the no fly zone?

I would urge President Obama not to get sucked into that mess.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 8, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

There is no end to the brattiness of the unions it seems. Fiscal sanity for the taxpayers matters not. All that matters is that the union and its rabid membership follow the union motto: I got mine.

This is just smoke anyway, sore loser stuff. As I noted yesterday, look at the rebound Daniels experienced. He was at 35% when the union whining was at its zenith. He's at 75% now. What does this tell us?

it tells us that the current situation is a function of union money and attention. When that fades, and it will, the citizens of the state will thank the Govenor for setting them on a path toward a better future.

The unions are now looking like parasites who cannot control themselves. They would rather kill the body on which they feed then give up their perks for the greater good.

So much for liberalism in America today

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 8, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

@Liam

"Governor Jim Doyle(D) of Wisconsin turned over a state to Gov, Kochdaffi, with one of the lowest unemployment levels; 7.5%, and one of the smallest budget deficits in the country."

Hopefully you're not addressing this to battlegourd...he is clueless and doesn't like to deal in facts. :-)

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 8, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

As usual, Greg gives only half of the story. Recall petitions are circulating against some of the 14 AWOL Senators as well:

http://badgerherald.com/news/2011/02/21/petitions_started_to.php#

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 8, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I read a facebook status update from someone who would know that it was in Alberta Darling's district where 25% of the signatures were collected last weekend.

Posted by: matt_ahrens | March 8, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

People with clip boards are thugs? Funny. I think you had a different view about CA a few years ago.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | March 8, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Ed Schultz reported last night that they had collected more than 25% of the signatures needed to recall Alberta Darling, so I think its fairly well known who the frontrunner in the recall race is (so far).

Posted by: AmazingDisgrace | March 8, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

skipsailing apparently missed the bit where unions have agreed to the fiscal demands Walker made, or at least he'll try to figure out a way to tell us why that doesn't matter.

Posted by: Greg Sargent | March 8, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Has The Plum Line ever before paid so much attention to a state legislature? I don't give a rat's a$$ about these 16 (8 Dem, 8 GOP) recall drives.

Posted by: sbj3 | March 8, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

jnc4p: Sounds to me like the signer needs to be a registered voter. I don't know how one becomes a "qualified elector" without being registered.

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Individual Signature Requirements:

The specific requirements that apply to each signature on a petition to recall a local officeholder are listed here and can also be found in GAB 2.09, Wis. Adm.Code, which incorporates by reference the requirements of GAB 2.05, Wis. Adm. Code.

• The signature listed must be that of a qualified elector of the jurisdiction or district represented by the officeholder.

• The full address, including municipality of residence, of each signer must be listed on the petition and must be within the election district or jurisdiction of the officeholder.

• Each signature must be dated when it is affixed to the petition.

• The date of the signature must be within 60 days from the date the recall petitioner registered with the filing officer.

• The date of the signature must not be later than the date of the circulator's signature in the Certification of Circulator.

http://gab.wi.gov/sites/default/files/publication/65/recall_manual_for_congressiona_county_and_state__82919.pdf

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 8, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Get the votes, recall the Senators, and then figure out a way to remove Scott Walker from office, too. The elite have declared class warfare on the middle class, so how about we return a salvo or two and take EVERYTHING they have?

Posted by: jmk_52 | March 8, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Rukidding,

Not to him. Just wanted to get the facts stated for others to be aware of.

I thought Skippy had been recalled, because he was contaminated?!

Posted by: Liam-still | March 8, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I didn't miss it Greg, as I'm sure you know. It is insufficient.

The left is doing its usual: begging for a hudna when the opposition gets to stiff. Why should the American taxpayers settle for a hudna when the unions have a decades long history of subverting the "system" for their own benefit, and the taxpayers be damned?

Dwell in ignorance if you chose Mr Sargent, but as Dylan said: the times they are a changing. And it is the so called progressives who are desperate to stop the change.

Oh well.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 8, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

sbj: "I don't give a rat's a$$ about these 16 (8 Dem, 8 GOP) recall drives. "

That statement begs the question: So then why are you here? No one is forcing you to read The Plum Line. It's your choice.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 8, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Liam-still is the mouthpiece of American liberalism.

How nice for the movement to have such a fine fellow speaking for them.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 8, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Paul : "People with clip boards are thugs? "

"Thugs" is the new Marxist.

LOL

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 8, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

skipsailing, this is pretty straightforward. Governor Walker himself asked for those fiscal concessions. Now you're saying they aren't enough?

Posted by: Greg Sargent | March 8, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

http://www.recallwirch.com/

http://www.recalljim.com/ (Holperin)

(Only Cullen and Larson were just elected last November, so the other 12 Democratic Senators can be the subject of recall petitions now). Of course, Gov. Walker can also declare their seats "vacant" too.

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 8, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Sue.

SBJ doesn't know that he has a choice on anything. He is one of those Stepford Right Wingers. He even sent donations to Sharron Angle, though she considered him to be sub-human.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 8, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Mobilizing support against GOP officeholders in midwestern states will be easy as it was voting-machine shenanigans that got them elected in the first place. In Ohio, for instance, John Kasich lost every exit poll but won the election. He began his term with a 30% approval rating. When you vote in Ohio now, there is no booth, no curtains, and, at least in my district, a Republican lawyer stands behind you while you vote. We will never have a fair election again until we go back to a paper ballot, a pen, and a ballot box. Everything else functions only to rig elections.

Posted by: dnahatch1 | March 8, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

"skipsailing apparently missed the bit where unions have agreed to the fiscal demands Walker made, or at least he'll try to figure out a way to tell us why that doesn't matter.

Posted by: Greg Sargent"

All he knows are the Conservative Things that Sean Hannity says. I really doubt skip puts any thought into what he writes.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 8, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

@Greg: "this is pretty straightforward"

C'mon, Greg. You are well aware of the argument that collective bargaining reform is necessary to maintain the other concessions. Don't play dumb.

Posted by: sbj3 | March 8, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Remember folks:

Republicans are protecting granny from Death Panels, by trying to take away her Medicare and Social Security lifelines, so that they can work her to death.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 8, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"C'mon, Greg. You are well aware of the argument that collective bargaining reform is necessary to maintain the other concessions. Don't play dumb.

Posted by: sbj3 "

Why is it necessary?

Posted by: DDAWD | March 8, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

@Greg Sargent "skipsailing apparently missed the bit where unions have agreed to the fiscal demands Walker made, or at least he'll try to figure out a way to tell us why that doesn't matter."

Who was it who said he never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity? I think that pretty much describes Walker at this point, especially after yesterday's news conference. Given the built in bias against public sector unions in the main stream media and elsewhere, you have to really mishandle the politics to botch things as badly as he has.

He should have taken this deal:

"But Senator Jon Erpenbach, another Democrat, said on Monday that there remained ways for the Republicans to persuade the Democrats to return to Madison. If the Republicans remove the issue of collective bargaining from the bill that Mr. Walker has described as an immediate “budget repair bill,” and instead make it part of the larger, two-year budget proposal to be considered in the next few months, Democrats would be satisfied, Mr. Erpenbach said. “Then there would be hearings, then there would be opportunities to really look at this,” he said."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/08/us/08wisconsin.html?hp

Let them hold the hearings, then pass the restrictions as part of the next budget in a couple of months after the protests go away. Once the Democrats come back, it will be harder for them to pull the same stunt again.

Posted by: jnc4p | March 8, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Scott Walker is the 60 Billion dollar Brothers pet Koch Sucker.

Of course; School Teachers with advanced degrees, must be forced to work for peanuts, so that Billionaires can become even more wealthy, at a faster pace.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 8, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

DDAWD:Why is it necessary?

Aren't you paying attention? Because the teachers will agree to postpone their lavish trips to Aruba for one year, but not for two years.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | March 8, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

jnc4p: "Let them hold the hearings, then pass the restrictions as part of the next budget in a couple of months after the protests go away."

As I understand it, this offer was made at the git-go, and declined. A lot has happened in the last couple of weeks, and momentum has shifted and people have been energized. I don't see them just simply "going away" at this point. Also, if there are hearings at this point, and public sentiment remains on the side of the union, the chances of splitting off some moderate GOP senators is a risk for Walker. I think that is a big part of why he wanted to get this bill through the legislature quickly and without fanfare.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 8, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

All, see the update I added ... another Senate Repblican calling for Walker to compromise, and conceding that Walker has already gotten the fiscal concessions he asked for...

Posted by: Greg Sargent | March 8, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Teachers are not paid nearly enough. I am amazed at how they can cope with dealing with that many kids, for hours on end, and then have to read all the homework, and grade it, in the evenings.

As far as I am concerned Public Teachers should receive large combat pay bonuses; and I wonder why more of them do not end up suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

You will not see many of those Greedy Bastards on Wall St. deciding to spend their days having to cope with 30 or more children.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 8, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

C'mon, Greg. You are well aware of the argument that collective bargaining reform is necessary to maintain the other concessions. Don't play dumb.

Posted by: sbj3 | March 8, 2011 11:42 AM |
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And given that the Republicans avoided making that argument during Walker's campaign, they will now have the opportunity to make it during the recall elections. So it is a win-win.

Posted by: oldabandonedbeachhouse | March 8, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

@suekzoo1 "jnc4p: "Let them hold the hearings, then pass the restrictions as part of the next budget in a couple of months after the protests go away."

As I understand it, this offer was made at the git-go, and declined. A lot has happened in the last couple of weeks, and momentum has shifted and people have been energized. I don't see them just simply "going away" at this point. Also, if there are hearings at this point, and public sentiment remains on the side of the union, the chances of splitting off some moderate GOP senators is a risk for Walker. I think that is a big part of why he wanted to get this bill through the legislature quickly and without fanfare."

I agree. To me, this is a mirror image of the passage of Obamacare.

I do believe that the registered voter versus eligible voter requirement for the recall will make it less likely that they get enough signatures. Get ready for the accusations of signature fraud from both sides if they actually manage to make the threshold.

Posted by: jnc4p | March 8, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Why are the righties that post here always in denial? Really, I mean that. Sure, I understand one of the Karl Rove Maxims is to never admit being wrong, always deny defeat. I understand that. That works when one is ahead. When one isn't ahead and the issues on the ground can't be contained to Lutz talking points, that strategy doesn't work.

Walker et al(Kochbots) over-reached. In their desire to cut off the funding of their opposition party they actually believed they could pull the Rove/Lutz off and get away with it.

The teachers, the state employees, the public unions, they didn't create the current budgetary problems. Wall Street did by conning everyone to put their pension funds in a fraudulent enterprise. Wall Street (more Kochbots) have thus far been pretty successful at redirecting retribution of their crimes to victims of their crimes. It won't work. Not this time. Walker will be recalled next year. At least 3 Republican Senators will be recalled this year.

You on the right have only succeeded in waking a sleeping middle class.

Posted by: kindness1 | March 8, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

So why all the demands for intervention in the internal Libyan conflict, but none at all for the conflict in The Ivory Coast, where the voted out Despot, is killing Ivorians on a daily basis? One day last week, his militia goons shot and killed several women who were protesting as a group.

Could it be that Ivorian lives are not important, because they lack the oil reserves that would make us all start to become concerned about their human rights? Hmmmmm.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 8, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Why yes, Mr Sargent, I am stating that a two year hudna for the union is simply not enough. The unions have proved that they cannot be trusted to balance public good with private greed. Therefore they will lose the privlege of bargaining for their compensation.

while I am at, I would like to thank the city fathers of Bell, CA. They did more to wake up the American public than just about anybody else. Once we saw how the system could be gamed for personal enrichment, the taxpayers became enraged. There is no reason not to use that emotion to achieve some changes that will g a long way toward fiscal sanity.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 8, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I do believe that the registered voter versus eligible voter requirement for the recall will make it less likely that they get enough signatures. Get ready for the accusations of signature fraud from both sides if they actually manage to make the threshold.

Posted by: jnc4p
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Insert obligatory ACORN comment here _____________________

Posted by: ashotinthedark | March 8, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

jnc4p: "To me, this is a mirror image of the passage of Obamacare. "

In what way?

The ACA took the better part of 18 months to pass. Big parts of ACA were well known for months.

Walker wanted his bill in 6 days without anyone looking at it. There are several other elements of this bill that have become more public since the demonstrations began that had absolutely no publicity prior.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 8, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

From Rush's backside to skip's fingers.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | March 8, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

@suekzoo1 "jnc4p: "To me, this is a mirror image of the passage of Obamacare. "

In what way?

The ACA took the better part of 18 months to pass. Big parts of ACA were well known for months.

Walker wanted his bill in 6 days without anyone looking at it. There are several other elements of this bill that have become more public since the demonstrations began that had absolutely no publicity prior."

Moving forward with your agenda for ideological reasons regardless of growing unpopularity and risk of voter back lash.

The union/progressive protests against Walker are the mirror image of the tea party movement against Obamacare.

Change the labels after the names, and the same talking points that were used against the process to enact Obamacare could just as easily come from an article about Wisconsin. The same applies to the denunciations of "obstructionism" by Senate Republicans/Democratic Wisconsin State Senators.

Posted by: jnc4p | March 8, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

In Skippy's world;

School Teachers are greedy, but the Billion Dollar Koch Brothers are living below the poverty line.


Teachers are not paid nearly enough. I am amazed at how they can cope with dealing with that many kids, for hours on end, and then have to read all the homework, and grade it, in the evenings.

As far as I am concerned Public Teachers should receive large combat pay bonuses; and I wonder why more of them do not end up suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

You will not see many of those Greedy Bastards on Wall St. deciding to spend their days having to cope with 30 or more children.


Scott Walker should be made to walk a year in a schoolteacher's shoes. O, wait. He is a low grades College dropout, so he would not even qualify to be a teacher. Perhaps that might explain his vendetta against teachers? he resents that they did not give him college grades that he did not earn!

Posted by: Liam-still | March 8, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

This is absolutely classic:

The unions have proved that they cannot be trusted to balance public good with private greed.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 8, 2011 12:14 PM

Posted by: pragmaticagain | March 8, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

The GOP State Senators are going to be in a seriously difficult spot if the recall efforts take hold. Over 15% in all 8 districts? Over 25% in one of them? Goodness, that's crazy after one weekend.

The real problem is that several of them are seriously on the verge of getting booted from office, and I think nearly all of them are facing it as a legitimate possibility. So what happens if Dems collect enough signatures to push recall elections in all 8 districts?

I think Dems give the GOP one last chance when they get the sigs. A last "reinstall full collective bargining rights (and maybe a few other things) or we'll offically file these and force a recall election."

So what do the GOPers do? Face a recall election which they all might lose (some more than others)...and even possibly face losing the majority? Do they cave to the demands? If they cave...will Walker sign it?

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | March 8, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Public good vs private greed:

But while Girl Scouts and anyone who buys groceries and gasoline is forced to sacrifice, domestic and foreign corporations in Geogia are being lavished with a tax break. The same bill that raises taxes on Girl Scouts Cookies lowers tax rates on corporate income, from 6 percent this year to just 4 percent in 2014.

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/03/08/georgia-girl-scout-taxes/

Posted by: pragmaticagain | March 8, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

mike,

LOL

I could have made it through the day without THAT visual.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 8, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Ah yes, I neglected to mention the other liberal mouthpiece: mike from arlington.

Between Mike and Liam, the intellectual shallowness of the America left is displayed for us daily.

Bluster and name calling are not to be confused with solid, fact-based arguments.

That said, in response to this:
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The teachers, the state employees, the public unions, they didn't create the current budgetary problems. Wall Street did by conning everyone to put their pension funds in a fraudulent enterprise. Wall Street (more Kochbots) have thus far been pretty successful at redirecting retribution of their crimes to victims of their crimes. It won't work. Not this time. Walker will be recalled next year. At least 3 Republican Senators will be recalled this year.

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Everyone with investments in the stockmarket took a hit with the collapse. Only the public "servants" believe that someone else, the taxpayers, should make them whole. The rest of us, the people who pay their salaries just have to suck it up and send more money to the government.

I don't think so.

And let's look at who the wall streeters are supporting with their campaign contributions. Goldman Sachs alone gave Barry almost a million from their PAC. A trip to open secrets ought to be enough to dispell a tenacious liberal myth, but sadly liberals have their dogma and facts no longer matter.

I understand the liberal angst though. As states like WI and Ohio push back the treasury raids on behalf of the Democrat party, the chances of installing socialism at taxpayer expense diminishes.

So near, yet so far.

Thanks again, to the rapists from Bell, CA. You awakened a sleeping giant.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 8, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

The union/progressive protests against Walker are the mirror image of the tea party movement against Obamacare.

Posted by: jnc4p | March 8, 2011 12:24 PM

The only similarity is that the republicans' shameless obfuscation.

Posted by: pragmaticagain | March 8, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Skippy, are you still undergoing the daily mental health counseling, that you told us about back a couple of months ago? If so, it is not taking. You are still raving like Charlie Sheen.

The Wisconsin Teachers have agreed to all the benefits give backs that Walker asked for, so you are either intentionally lying about that, or you are just a hopeless mental case.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 8, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

All, great stuff from Serwer on Guantanamo:

http://wapo.st/emRlAf

Posted by: Greg Sargent | March 8, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Everyone with investments in the stockmarket took a hit with the collapse. Only the public "servants" believe that someone else, the taxpayers, should make them whole. The rest of us, the people who pay their salaries just have to suck it up and send more money to the government.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 8, 2011 12:31 PM

Geez, skip, take a breath and at least TRY to make a little sense.

Posted by: pragmaticagain | March 8, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"the public "servants" believe that someone else, the taxpayers, should make them whole."

The audacity to expect a party with whom you contract to uphold their end of the bargain.

As I've said before, my brother teaches in Georgia (no unions allowed) and has a pension. Getting rid of collective bargaining won't end pensions for public employees.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | March 8, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

As the attempted GOP Trojan Horse takeover of WI state government continues, we should also be mindful of the fact that the Tea Party in various states are doing their best at gerrymandering to gain leverage in some state. This from Politico -
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/50818.html

We will have this vermin to deal with for years. Now, up in New Hampshire, they would even like to disenfranchise college students. The Right is holding on for dear life as the world changes around them.

Posted by: filmnoia | March 8, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Skippy is officially nominated for the Tea Party's coveted; Koch Sucker Of The Year, trophy.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 8, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

A link to "think progress" how laughable. Is there anyone in the employ of that site that has successfully navigated puberty yet?

they guys at powerline have been shredding that site for most of the past ten days. It has been fun to watch.

and shame on Georgia, right guys? I mean if every state treated businesses badly then the left would be ecstatic.

Kia just built a factory in Georgia. NCR, which was born and raised in Dayton, Ohio relocated to Georgia too.

the competition between the states is strong, as it should be. Here in Ohio our new govenor proved that Ohio is now open for business by working out a deal to keep American Greetings and their 2000 + jobs in the state.

The firm planned to leave its current home, Brooklyn, Ohio (a suburb of Cleveland) when that city raised taxes to pay its civil servants.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 8, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Skippy is officially nominated for the Tea Party's coveted; Koch Sucker Of The Year, trophy.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 8, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I guess you forgot to add the below part to your 11:52 update:

Cowles intends to vote with Republicans on Walker’s bill, though he understood why some might question its inclusion of the collective bargaining overhaul.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blogs0106&plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&U=ac0bbd46-9442-4b60-a671-5c030427742c&plckPostId=Blog:ac0bbd46-9442-4b60-a671-5c030427742cPost:9ec21c30-20f5-4dfe-b7a5-0cfb00dc32c6&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest

Posted by: CarolinaMike | March 8, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"We seem to have a man of rock solid principle in Governor Walker. So far, he'e not backing down."

Your man of principle is bought and paid for by the Koch brothers, out of state financiers. he'll be eligible for recall in a year. Hopefully, Wisconsin can get its state back if the recall of legislators doesn't come soon enough.

Posted by: thebuckguy | March 8, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

""Thanks again, to the rapists from Bell, CA. You awakened a sleeping giant.""

I don't understand your reference here, as far as I know none of them excepting the police chief are union members. The jail birds are crooks though and got what they deserved. No shortage of crooks in government or industry where they feel free to spend other peoples money on themselves. Corruption isn't a party affiliation and neither is greed. A city manger paying himself more than twice the salary of the President of the US says more about him and his buddies ethics than anything else. Do you know how they were collecting some of the money to pay for their scheme, $2000 car impound fees. I think the people they awakened were the people living in the community.

Posted by: lmsinca | March 8, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

None of those fourteen Democratic State Senators better return before Walker gives up on trying to take away collective bargaining rights, or they will be recalled by those who elected them.

None better waver, or get bought off, because if they do, they are not worth keeping in office.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 8, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

So you think American Greetings is an example of a company that can be "trusted to balance public good with private greed."

Posted by: pragmaticagain | March 8, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

The Koch's must be having a competition to have a hot bubbly bath with them for the person that most vehemently defends their attack on the middle class.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | March 8, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

ashot: "As I've said before, my brother teaches in Georgia (no unions allowed) and has a pension. Getting rid of collective bargaining won't end pensions for public employees. "

Nor will it get rid of the costs associated with private pensions or employer contributions to a 401k plan in the private sector. All of that is passed on to consumers (i.e. taxpayers) as part of product cost.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 8, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

A recent poll by the Wisconsin Policy Research Institute and the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel indicates that the crucial independent voter bloc in Wisconsin is swinging away from Gov. Walker.
http://buckyville.yuku.com/reply/478300/Re-Wisconsin-Policy-Research-Institute-new-Walker-polls

The GOP in Ohio needs independents to vote their way in order for Ohio to go Republican in the 2012 presidential election. If Ohio Gov. Kasich tries to strip public sector unions in his state of their collective bargaining rights, as he has indicated he might, independents there may also take a dim view of the process. And if they take that dissatisfaction to the polls in 2012, Ohio just might go to the Democrats.

Yeah it's a bunch of ifs, but it'll be durn tough for the GOP to win the White House in 2012 without Ohio. I would love to hear the conversations between Gov. Kasich and the national GOP leadership right about now.

Posted by: MsJS | March 8, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Yes ashot and I have no problem changing the contract:
(1) The circumstances under which the contracts were created are dubious at best. In WI they sprung a legislator from jail so that they could give the unions one more bite of the taxpayer cherry. Repudiating the contract seems like a reasonable position to take.
(2) We're broke. The contract would be changed in bankruptcy, n'est ce pas? We can't afford it. It is just that simple.
(3) Thank you for admitting that I'm right: the civil servants want more of the taxpayer's money. Even though the taxpayers got hammered by the crash too. Sacrifice for thee, but none for me, eh?

further proof of liberal rule #1: do as the liberals say, not as the liberals do.

filmnoia, of course we're trying to redraw districts to our advantage. This is no different from what the Democrats do when they have power after a census.

Welcome to the shellacking ma'am. Between the changes being made by state legislators and the impact of the census on districts, Obama really harmed the Democrat party. Gotta love it.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 8, 2011 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Skippy, are you still undergoing the daily mental health counseling, that you told us about back a couple of months ago? If so, it is not taking. You are still raving like Charlie Sheen.

The Wisconsin Teachers have agreed to all the benefits give backs that Walker asked for, so you are either intentionally lying about that, or you are just a hopeless mental case.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 8, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

in response to this:
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So you think American Greetings is an example of a company that can be "trusted to balance public good with private greed."

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Let me reply with the initials made famous by Obama: WTF?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 8, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

More shameless irony from skip:

Sacrifice for thee, but none for me, eh?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 8, 2011 1:03 PM

What have you sacrificed skip?

Posted by: pragmaticagain | March 8, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Skippy,

Are you still undergoing the daily mental health counseling, that you told us about back a couple of months ago? If so, it is not taking. You are still raving like Charlie Sheen.

The Wisconsin Teachers have agreed to all the benefits give backs that Walker asked for, so you are either intentionally lying about that, or you are just a hopeless mental case.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 8, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

a question:\
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Nor will it get rid of the costs associated with private pensions or employer contributions to a 401k plan in the private sector. All of that is passed on to consumers (i.e. taxpayers) as part of product cost.

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What portion of the teachers' pension is funded by the taxpayers in Georgia? How does that compare to WI and Ohio for example?
The issue isn't the cost, but who bears it.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 8, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

As I said, Liam is the mouthpiece of liberalism. When folks in America think of the liberal movement, they think of people who speak like Liam.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 8, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I guess for all of the Right Wingers here, it's a case of what goes around comes around. GOP reps in WI are getting nailed by the public -
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/deja-vu-all-over-again-wis-gopers-faceloud-town-halls-video.php?ref=fpblg

Posted by: filmnoia | March 8, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Brooklyn voters last spring voted to raise the city's payroll tax 25 percent, to 2.5 percent from 2.0 percent. These are taxes employees pay to the city, not taxes the company has to pay.
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The tax increase skip mentioned in Brooklyn Ohio.

There's also this:
http://www.wisn.com/r/26154409/detail.html

The public union contracts that were passed by the previously jailed House member were rejected by the Senate so that seems to undermine your repudiation argument.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | March 8, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Skippy, are you still undergoing the daily mental health counseling, that you told us about back a couple of months ago? If so, it is not taking. You are still raving like Charlie Sheen.

The Wisconsin Teachers have agreed to all the benefits give backs that Walker asked for, so you are either intentionally lying about that, or you are just a hopeless mental case.

I can see you wielding a machete with one hand, while you submit your insane rants with the other. Jack Nicholson is my pick to play your character in The Sheening.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 8, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Here is my point lms: the people that get elected are not trustworthy. The crooks in Bell showed America just how easy it is to steal from the taxpayers.

For the union-Democrat party golden seam to work the proper politicians must be in place. The politicians in Bell screwed the people that elected them. So did the politicians in WI, Ohio and elsewhere. By taking union money for "campaigns" then "negotiating" with those same unions the taxpayers got hammered, year after year after year.

We know a bit about crooks in northern Ohio. I doubt many liberals here have heard of Jimmy DiMora and Frank Russo, but these guys did the FBI perp walk. Democrats, elected as county commissioners and a so crooked that when they die, they won't be buried, they will be screwed into the ground.

The Cleveland Plain Dealer, a liberal rag, ran a front page photo of the summer home of one of the commissioners under investigation. The boat tied up at the private dock in front of the house belonged to the president of the pipe fitters union. Crooked pols plus greedy unions equals screw jobs for the taxpayers.

What's wrong with the liberals? We are reforming things. I thought liberals were all about comprehensive reform.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 8, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Wisconsin town hall meetings are "deju vu all over again," except the GOP aren't enjoying them this time.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/deja-vu-all-over-again-wis-gopers-faceloud-town-halls-video.php?ref=fpblg

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 8, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Skippy,

Are you still undergoing the daily mental health counseling, that you told us about back a couple of months ago? If so, it is not taking. You are still raving like Charlie Sheen.

The Wisconsin Teachers have agreed to all the benefits give backs that Walker asked for, so you are either intentionally lying about that, or you are just a hopeless mental case.

I can see you wielding a machete with one hand, while you submit your insane rants with the other. Jack Nicholson is my pick to play your character in The Sheening.

Protesters are allowed to stay over night in the public square in Cairo Egypt, but now have been forbidden to do so, on the public grounds out side the State Senate Building in Madison Wi. Nice going Hosni Walker. You are now running Wisconsin like Qaddafi has run Libya.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 8, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Walker is just another incompetent country-destroying Republican who is doing the bidding of the reclusive billionaire Koch Brothers.

He is going to eat crow when he is forced to surrender to the working people of Wisconsin.

He'll be begging the Koch Brothers for mercy, that he failed in his mission to destroy the middle class so the Koch Brothers could be a little richer.

Posted by: ottoparts | March 8, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

In Skippy's world;

School Teachers are greedy, but the Sixty Billion Dollars worth Koch Brothers are living below the poverty line.


Teachers are not paid nearly enough. I am amazed at how they can cope with dealing with that many kids, for hours on end, and then have to read all the homework, and grade it, in the evenings.

As far as I am concerned Public Teachers should receive large combat pay bonuses; and I wonder why more of them do not end up suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

You will not see many of those Greedy Bastards on Wall St. deciding to spend their days having to cope with 30 or more children.


Scott Walker should be made to walk a year in a schoolteacher's shoes. O, wait. He is a low grades College dropout, so he would not even qualify to be a teacher. Perhaps that might explain his vendetta against teachers? he resents that they did not give him college grades that he did not earn!

Posted by: Liam-still | March 8, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

All, more GOP Senators wavering:

http://wapo.st/dZJsjm

Posted by: Greg Sargent | March 8, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Yes indeed, Liam is the spokesperson of the left. When people think of the liberal movement, they think of people like liam.
Isn't that so nice for the rest of you?

Personal attacks instead of solid arguments. Myths and lies instead of easily obtained facts. Schoolyard taunts instead of thought and logic.

yes, that's today's left and its personification, liam.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 8, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Lying that American Greetings was going to leave Brooklyn Ohio because the city raised taxes on the business...that's skip to a T.

Lying that Wisconsin public unions got their contract because democrats passed it after bailing out a House member from jail.....that's skip to a T.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | March 8, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Russo was not a commissioner and neither was Kevin Kelley, the boat owner. You really need to get you head out of your a$$ skip.

And what about all the money contributed to GOP pols by businesses that do business with the government ... the Kochs for example. How is it that this does not result in those businesses having undue influence on John Kasich?

Posted by: pragmaticagain | March 8, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

@sbj

"I don't give a rat's a$$ about these 16 (8 Dem, 8 GOP) recall drives."

Then simply skip these threads. However you may wish to check and see which threads are getting the most comments. I don't believe you'll be missed. However your comments would be appreciated on the King/Muslim hearings yesterday and today's morning plum which lag far behind this one!

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 8, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

yes, that's today's right and its personification, skip.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 8, 2011 1:49 PM

H/T Brigade

Posted by: pragmaticagain | March 8, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"JNC4P : The signatures have to be from registered or just eligible voters?"

The signatures for each recall have to be from registered voters IN the district of the offending Representative. So much as I abhor Palin-wannabe Alberta Darling, I could not sign her recall petiton. On the other hand, someone could approach me to sign a recall petition for Chris Larsen (which I would refuse to sign as he is one of the heroic 14).
When the "Recall Scott Walker" petitions roll out in November, every eligible voter will be able to sign them.

Posted by: DavidEdwardMartin | March 8, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Recall all of them (Repubs)...Walker will get the message soon enough.

Posted by: fairness3 | March 8, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Don't back down Wisconsin. You could stage the most successful group of recalls in US history.

Beyond which dog you back in this fight, this could be a serious wake up call to Americans and their politicians.

You CAN change your government, and you can certainly force politicians to represent you, and not their party or their financial backers, if you show them that failure to represent the group who placed them in power will cause their immediate removal.

No better message could possibly be sent across this country, as both parties need a wake up call that there are 300+ million Americans whose interests are supposed to be their driving force, not party politics.

Posted by: spynnal | March 8, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

We Wisconsites who are gathering signatures to recall the Republican senators are NOT being assisted by unions or being paid by them. We are volunteers who love this state and hate what Walker plans to do to all of us while he rewards his big corporate buddies. We have our own web sites and are coordinating all of this without union help. If you're told otherwise, you've been lied to.

Posted by: BarabooBluffLover | March 8, 2011 3:47 PM | Report abuse

It is wonderful to see this type of REAL (i.e. not paid for the billionaire Koch brothers "Americans for Prosperity") organizing on the ground. Walker stuck his appendage into a hornet's nest, and it's a joy to watch him (and the GOP politicians who have supported his attack on working families) reap the whirlwind.
I earn less than $1200 a month, but since I don't live in Wisconsin and can't gather recall signatures, I'm very happy to contribute a few hundred bucks to the Wisconsin democrats behind the recall effort. You can too: just go to actblue, and look for the recall page!

Posted by: pointy | March 8, 2011 5:57 PM | Report abuse

The reason collective bargaining must be stopped is simple. Whatever compromises the Fleebaggers and Union-folk agree to now will simply be overturned and pro-rated when yet another pandering, handout happy Democrat is inevitably elected to office. Sure, the public unions will make concessions - for the time being. If they lose 6% of their pay now, they'll be granted 18% three years hence. The Unions and their democrat leeches that feed them so that they might be fed, are nothing short of a Ponzi scheme qua Bernie Madoff. The victim is the taxpayers and the Madoffs get re-elected and granted power for the rest of their political lives.

Posted by: cartmaneric | March 8, 2011 11:49 PM | Report abuse

The take-away from all the fleebaggers is this: if you lose an election, run away to avoid doing the job you were elected to perform. Circulate recall petitions to irritate anyone who disagrees with you. And when idiots scream "Koch brothers!!!" it makes us laugh. Just like, "Bush did it!" and "Karl Rove, evil genius" made sensible people roll their eyes and chuckle. Democrats are a joke.

Posted by: bender1 | March 9, 2011 12:11 AM | Report abuse

"The ACA took the better part of 18 months to pass. Big parts of ACA were well known for months."

This must be a (poor) attempt at humor. The ACA was passed before it was even written. Remember Pelosi said it had to be passed so we could know what was in it.

Think before you post.

Posted by: TheLastBrainLeft | March 9, 2011 1:14 AM | Report abuse

"We Wisconsites who are gathering signatures to recall the Republican senators are NOT being assisted by unions or being paid by them."

This is a bold faced lie. They are all being funded by official Democratic Party money, which comes from labor unions. Even Greg PFC reported this right here only a few days ago:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/03/breaking_wisconsin_dems_throw.html

Posted by: TheLastBrainLeft | March 9, 2011 1:18 AM | Report abuse

HaHa The Republican senators will soon see their majority disappear when they lose in the recall elections. The Democratic senators are totally safe from recall as their districts are heavily democratic. Not only that the recall for the Democrats is being handled by a group from Utah and the Koch brothers funded organization Americans for Prosperity. On the other hand there has been a huge turnout of Wisconsin voters who have volunteered to go out and collect signatures to recall the Republicans. There were over 500 volunteers who turned out in Alberta Darlings district alone. She will definitely be recalled and she is on Walkers Finance committee. Scott Walker will be recalled as soon as one year is up.

Posted by: bgk1232004 | March 9, 2011 5:06 AM | Report abuse

"Drive to recall Wisconsin GOP senators gaining steam, Dems say"

Dems say...

November is the ONLY poll that matters, and elections have consequences.

Posted by: MrRoyRogers | March 9, 2011 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Remember when filibustering judicial nominees was only done under extreme circumstances? The Democrats changed that with Judge Bork. Remember when recalls were only done under extreme circumstances? The Democrats are changing that as we speak. Remember when we expected our legislators to vote on bills? The Democrats are changing that as we speak.

10 years from now, when the Washington Internet Post is complaining about the state of American politics, just remember how it happened.

Posted by: bflat879 | March 9, 2011 8:39 AM | Report abuse

And look! How nice it is of DC operatives to assist in the effort:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/261665/dc-operatives-fueling-wis-recall-movement-katrina-trinko

Posted by: bethIllinois | March 9, 2011 8:42 AM | Report abuse

The modus operandi of the Obama admin has been to attack the credentials and eligibility of his opponents(ironic, isn't it?)and to say this move didn't originate outside the state and that Wahington's relations with all unions isn't part and parcel to this is delusional. The public
union's pets, their congressional lackeys, don't want the gravytrain to stop and are pulling out all the stops to ensure that doesn't happen, including complaining to Mr. Obama, their bought-and-paid-for Lackey-in-Chief.

Posted by: LizardLips | March 9, 2011 9:35 AM | Report abuse

There are questions above about who can sign petitions.

Wisconsin has same day voter registration, not sure how this will work in recall elections although I would think the same, so eligible voters not just registered voters can sign.

I've run signature collections here and they're almost always accepted as long as the person lives in a district and their name isn't Mickey Mouse. It's based on voter intent so even people badly filling out petitions don't disqualify signatures as long as a clerk can reasonably tell voter intent to sign and where they live and that a pretty liberal standard according to the courts here. If you go door to door collecting in a district to make sure the signatures are actually from that district as opposed to people having petition sheets in public places everyone can sign, and the Dems are going door to door, and you collect the minimum needed plus another 5-7% over to more than compensate for the few dozen that might be disqualified, you've collected more than enough.

There will be a lot of recall elections here both Democratic and Republican and government will become very dysfunctional. Thanks for the kayos Governor.

Posted by: danielw | March 9, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Go Ahead. Now the Voters of WI will recall those lazy overpaid senate dummycrats hiding out at the No Tell Motels in IL with their pornstar friends!

Posted by: mbyrnes1 | March 10, 2011 12:58 AM | Report abuse

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