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Posted at 10:23 AM ET, 03/10/2011

Feingold: Wisconsinites will hold Republicans accountable

By Greg Sargent

A strong statement from fomer Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold, who seems to endorse the push to recall Wisconsin GOP officials:

"Last night will be remembered as a black mark on the history of Wisconsin government. The actions by 18 Republican state senators leave no doubt that Governor Walker's attack on Wisconsin workers has nothing to do with the budget and everything to do with advancing a national corporate agenda. Sadly, these actions further drive divisions within our state and threaten the future economic recovery of Wisconsin. Proponents of this plan should remember: Wisconsin's citizens will hold their elected officials accountable."

The question right now for labor and Dems in Wisconsin will be whether they can maintain momentum in their recall drives, even as the national media loses interest in the story. In that regard, enlisting figures like Feingold in the recall push will be key.

By Greg Sargent  | March 10, 2011; 10:23 AM ET
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This is just to funny.

First, we are hearing the strong words of a FORMER US senator. How touching. He got fired by the same smart people who put the adults in charge in Madison.

Next, this is simply reaction. The Republicans acted and the Democrats now are stuck in a reactive mode. They cannot prevail from that posture and they now it.

The Democrats siezed the action/reaction high ground with the fleebagging. But they lost it when the Republicans acted unilaterally.

It is a war. time to break out Sun Tzu and some popcorn. Watching the union brats whine about their entitlements will be entertaining to say the least.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 10, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

From Labor's perspective this is about unions, per se, but from an R political perspective this is about cutting off a leg of the D Party, especially in WI, where organized labor and the D Party are coincident, and have been since the days of the Kohler strike, at least.

Feingold knows that, and from the perspective of the D Party this event becomes a fundraising and tables-turning event. Some future election in WI will reverse this week's activity, but will it be sooner, or later?

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 10, 2011 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Well, allow Gov. Walker to retort;

"Taking on the status quo is no easy task. Each day, there are protesters in and around our state Capitol. They have every right to be heard. But their voices cannot drown out the voices of the countless taxpayers who want us to balance our budgets and, more importantly, to make government work for each of them."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704132204576190260787805984.html?mod=WSJ_WSJ_US_News_5

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 10, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse

"From Labor's perspective this is about unions, per se, but from an R political perspective this is about cutting off a leg of the D Party, especially in WI, where organized labor and the D Party are coincident, and have been since the days of the Kohler strike, at least."

It's a shame teachers are being used as the fodder as though their jobs mean less to our society. Teachers play an important role and dehumanizing them and demoralizing them is no sort of message to send to future teachers both in Wisconsin and around the country.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | March 10, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Your revolution is over, Mr. Feingold. Condolences. The bums lost. My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose.

Do you hear me, Feingold? The bums will always lose!

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 10, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Wisconsin's illegal and dictatorial actions signals the beginning of Civil War, the death of democracy and the birth of totalitarianism in the United States. This dark Lord who speaks so soft but with a heart of Venom, Gov. Walker, shows he has no respect for the rule of law as this action was done under the Cover of Darkness and not in the light of day. Hitler did this in 1933, and those who forget history will be doomed to repeat it. They want us to forget but we won't!

How long America will you stand for the raping of your land? GOP Wizards took your money, they took your jobs and sent them overseas and now they want to silence your voices. They pretend we are broke while they give big Tax Breaks to the Rich, Big Oil and Big Pharma, while robbing the middle class and working poor. This land no longer belongs to the people but to billionaires and the greedy Wealth Merchants who want to make you slaves to their greed and our children uneducated. This group does not build America, they take from America; They put their millions and billions in other countries in the guise of tax havens and tax shelters while they watch America decay and die and say we are broke! We are broke because they have transferred our wealth from the middleclass to the rich, which made them richer, greedier and stingier. To keep their small but powerful majority, they want to pit one group against another, make us hate and distrust each other while they grow fatter and richer. Don't you hate your brother/sister or neighbor because they look different or have another faith. We are One and We are stronger then they are but we must stand up now or forever hold our peace!

This is a sad and dark cycle for the U.S., but the Sky is not falling, but it will fall in if we don't stand up together and say no more; and remember, it is always darkest before the dawn!

Posted by: wdsoulplane | March 10, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

AOL, what a joke. Poor Arianna, well, not really.

- AOL Inc will cut more than 900 jobs, or 20 percent [!!] of its global workforce, as it struggles to catch up to faster-moving rivals, a source close to the Internet company said on Thursday.
AOL, which has 5,000 workers, will cut about 400 jobs in India, outsource another 300 there, and eliminate 200 jobs in the United States, the source said. (Reuters)

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

The bill only applies to private sector unions, and specifically because of the effect it has on government budgets and increases in taxes.
Gallup for instance shows that people prefer limiting collective bargaining of public employees before raising taxes.
Doyle raised taxes after promising he would not.
Walker did run on not raising taxes getting the states budget under control. Most are well aware that is not doable without constraints on public sector collective bargaining.

Posted by: win1 | March 10, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

kaddafi and skip must go to the same demonic school. They both appear to revel in the demoralization of those teaching our children.

What classy folks you two are.

If Jesus were still around teaching they would no doubt be out there calling the guy a lazy homeless bum that needs to get a job.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | March 10, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

There are a couple other things going on in WI to keep people motivated, besides collecting recall signatures. There is a Supreme Court election on April 5, which depending on the winner, could swing the make up of the court.

There is also an election on the same date in Milwaukee County to replace Walker, who was the County Executive when he won the governorship.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 10, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"The question right now for labor and Dems in Wisconsin will be whether they can maintain momentum in their recall drives, even as the national media loses interest in the story."

I imagine the national media's interest doesn't impact the recall efforts one whit. Nationally progressives are waking up & reestablishing enthusiasm that waned after the 2008 election. In the short term, that means they're donating to the recall efforts in WI. They only have to recall 3 to have a chance at retaking the WI Senate.

Posted by: bsimon1 | March 10, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

ROFL!

Idiot Dems learn that running & hiding doesn't win battles. Well, I guess if your IQ <50 that can't be figured out by using thought processes but, has to be experienced.

Posted by: illogicbuster | March 10, 2011 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know what happened to the "hot topic/most commented" links from the front page? It's not there anymore..
thanks

Posted by: newagent99 | March 10, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

my my, the wining continues unabated. It is as music to the ears.

Demoralizing the teachers? Heaven forbid. Why we are doing no such thing. We are using at least two of the left's favorite tactics, alinsky rules 5 and 13.

here are the definitions graciously provided by a web site called "the union news" Irony of Ironies.

Rule 5: ridicule is man's most potent weapon

Rule 13: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

Sauce for the goose.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 10, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

wdsoulplane, there's a lot there I disagree with, but let's start with your first two words: "Wisconsin's illegal" (you were watch Rachel Maddow last night?). The Wisconsin "Open Meetings Law" does not apply where it is inconsistent with a Senate Rule, for instance, Senate Rule 25(1)(b) "unless the committee on Senate organization determines that for good cause such notice is impossible or impractical." Look up the Stitt and Milwaukee Journal Sentinal cases, and then we can discuss further.

In the meantime, do you think the DEMOCRATIC Senators fleeing across State lines was "illegal" (see Senate Rule 84)?

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 10, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

skip, so I was correct. It is your goal to demoralize our children's teachers.

I hope people are listening to where skip is coming from. When folks speak of the rights hatred of teachers, think of skip.

You are an evil person skip, void of all that is good. Lord have mercy on your pathetic soul.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | March 10, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I'm curious if Feingold would attempt a run at Governor during Walker's (near-certain) recall election. His name has been floated in terms of going after the other WI Senate seat...but this might be sooner, and fairly winnable.

I think the recalls are likely to be successful, barring the scenerio in which the GOP changes the recall requirements/rules. As cynical as that would be, it certainly seems like something they'd do at this point.

It's worth noting that the national media hasn't played all that large a role in the situation so far. They gave some coverage, which likely helped drag down Walker's approval ratings some. But the protests were growing fast before the national media got on the scene, and the national media hasn't been paying attention for a while now anyways -- the GOP continued their nose dive.

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | March 10, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

TheBBQChickenMadness, you don't consider The Washington Post or MSNBC to be "national" media?

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 10, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

"I hope people are listening to where skip is coming from. "

Nah, skippy is sitting in the troll hunter right next to clawrence. Hope they are behaving. LOL

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 10, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I've personally found the following site to be the most timely and informative "Conference committee properly noticed":

http://www.thewheelerreport.com

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 10, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Here is skip's goal with the teachers of Wisconsin from his own mouth.

"Rule 5: ridicule is man's most potent weapon

Rule 13: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."

What a gutless turd. I don't wish this often but since you wish harm to come to others I hope it hits you back hard in the pocket book one day and you live your life in shameful misery.

What comes around goes around you soulless heathen.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | March 10, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Funny how you never here these jackasses whine about bankers being overpaid.

Like I said, they can't wait to get on their knees before them. It would be funny to be there to see the consequences of all the horrid things they support hit home and affect them, if it weren't for the fact that so many good people get hurt by them as well.

Funny how all these ranters who spend all day every day in here ranting about how everyone else is "overpaid" don't seem to realize that they aren't working while they're here spewing their bile all over decent people.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 10, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse

OT:

- Florida high speed rail ridership study shows line would have had operating surplus-

...

Thad Altman, a Republican Senator ... said he doubts an earlier release of the ridership study would have made a difference to the Governor.

"His conclusion was political, not based on economics, good business or even protecting the taxpayers," Altman said. "As time passes and more information comes out, you can see the injustice that was done to the state of Florida."

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/content/high-speed-rail-ridership-study-shows-line-would-have-had-operating-surplus

It's just sad what Republicans are doing to this country.

And each of these policies follows a clear pattern. The decisions made by GOP Govs are entirely about CHOICE. Not need. Not outcomes. Political choice for the sake of it. Just pathetic and sad. What the GOP is doing in Congress and state houses (and what they did when they had the presidency) amounts to a true abuse of the political system that made this country the beacon of hope and freedom around the world.

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 10, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse

BBQ: "I think the recalls are likely to be successful, barring the scenerio in which the GOP changes the recall requirements/rules. As cynical as that would be, it certainly seems like something they'd do at this point."

Yeah, cynical, but they are already questioning the recall statutes.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/wis-gop-leader-scott-fitzgerald-are-our-recall-statutes-legit.php

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 10, 2011 11:13 AM | Report abuse

@suekzoo1.

I got rid of greasemonkey once the spammer finally left. I don't mind battling wits with heartless and gutless creeps like skip but rainforest was a mindless spammer intent on disruption.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | March 10, 2011 11:14 AM | Report abuse

*Leftist-Fascism Update*

Leftists Flood Twitter With Death Threats Against WI Gov. Scott Walker After Union Vote
http://www.therightscoop.com/death-wishes-and-hate-to-gov-walker-on-twitter/

[Then again, remember all Taxpayer death threats against Dems after ObamaCare was passed? No, wait...]

*so progressive!*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 10, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

In fact, I want to personally thank the Republicans who are standing up for what is right.

Thad Altman, Republican state senator in FL

And the lone WI GOP Senator who voted against the collective bargaining bill.

THESE people need to be applauded by the Dem rank and file. Because it's not about politics. It is about doing right by THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Thank you, sensible Republicans around the country, for standing up to the Big Government Tea Party extremists.

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 10, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

mike,

I've noticed a significant decrease in the number of hidden posts, and wondered if the rainman was gone. Still, wondering wasn't enough motivation to actually find out.

"I don't mind battling wits with heartless and gutless creeps like skip"

We really should pay you extra for that!

LOL

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 10, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

[skipsailing28: "my my, the whining continues unabated. It is as music to the ears."]

Yes! Yesss! Oh, let me taste your tears, Jenn! Mm, your tears are so yummy and sweet! Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! Mm-yummy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzhYNcd4OM

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 10, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Wow Kaddafi, you spam the same message on the following sites:

rightcoastconservative.blogspot.com

www.theblaze.com

weaselzippers.us

www.breitbart.tv

ccvoice.wordpress.com

townhall.com

conservativeamerican.org/

gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com

spectator.org

www.therightscoop.com/

etc etc etc.

Either your a right wing paid troll or some sort of obsessive compulsive lunatic.

I didn't even list half the sites you post the same garbage on. That's some borderline lunacy right there.

Good job!

Posted by: mikefromArlington | March 10, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

BBQ writes
"I'm curious if Feingold would attempt a run at Governor during Walker's (near-certain) recall election. His name has been floated in terms of going after the other WI Senate seat...but this might be sooner, and fairly winnable."

Kohl is not running for reelection in '12. Walker just won in '10, so I imagine he's up for reelection in '14. Of course, if this recall effort starts gaining ground, there might be Gov election next year. That is a very long shot, of course.

Posted by: bsimon1 | March 10, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Kaddafi, I remember that line from SOUTH PARK, without even going to your stupid link.

Quite the wit, aren't you?

So, by your definition, when other people lose, you win. Interesting. When your mom finally dies, and they evict you from her basement, and you're out there slaving for minimum wage, you still will have "won" because so many other people are in the same boat, right?

As you like to say, "get a job". We know you don't have one; otherwise you couldn't spend all day here gloating about how the US is going to become the next Phillipines.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 10, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Seems to be within the law and intent of the Wisconsin law.
"Fitzgerald said the move was deemed acceptable by three widely respected non-partisan agencies - the Legislative Fiscal Bureau, the Legislative Council and the Legislative Reference Bureau"

Posted by: win1 | March 10, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

KaddafiDelendaEst, have you seen the YouTube video of violent mob last night barging their way past police?

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 10, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

All, new poll finds strong support for recall of two GOP state senators:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/03/poll_majorities_support_recall.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | March 10, 2011 11:30 AM | Report abuse

clawrence12 asked: "have you seen the YouTube video of violent mob last night barging their way past police?"]

Yeh, I cited it on the morning plum. UFB!

Worth reposting here just to see how much teeth gnashing I can induce among my fawning fan-club of Gweg's toadies. Enjoy.
=====
Face it Thugocrats: You lost. These violent temper-tantrums aren’t going to change anything-- but will shift taxpayer sentiment to the beseiged Governor.

RAW Video: Half of Capitol Controlled by Leftist Protesters, Breaking Down Doors, Windows Being Smashed
http://nation.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/10/half-capitol-controlled-protesters-no-one-safe-national-guard-option-table

Congrats Hussein... your "army" is busy breaking things.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 10, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

BBQ writes
"It's worth noting that the national media hasn't played all that large a role in the situation so far. They gave some coverage, which likely helped drag down Walker's approval ratings some. But the protests were growing fast before the national media got on the scene, and the national media hasn't been paying attention for a while now anyways -- the GOP continued their nose dive."

If you're in WI, the local media is covering the story; what the nat'l media says is somewhat irrelevant. Where the nat'l media coverage has come into play is in awakening the Dem base, that went to sleep after the '08 election. Last year the TEA people were all hot 'n bothered and the Dems sat back and watched. With the Dems getting back into the game, the political scene will be very different next year. In the meantime, national progressives/liberals are waking up enough to write some checks to the groups in WI that are pushing the recall efforts.

Posted by: bsimon1 | March 10, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

*Gweg wuvs polls*

Obama’s Approval Ratings Among Independents Down to 37%, Tanks 10 Points in One Month
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/50954.html

Feel good story du jour.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 10, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

The press in Wisconsin leans pretty much to the left as well.
People in Wisconsin are well aware that their taxes have gone up over and over again, much because of public employee unions demands.
They are also aware that the Dems seem to be in the unions pockets, and even courts have mentioned that unions are aware that union demands lead to lay offs and/or tax increases.

Posted by: win1 | March 10, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

My friends you miss the point once again. Matching wits will get us nowhere if we don't understand simple mathematics along with human nature. You are ASSuming that all within the free market will act with honesty and good will. Our history tells a different story. My emotions are in check when I look at what that story tells me. For example when a bunch of businesses form a collective (a union) such as the chamber of commerce to promote their agenda, that's considered a good thing, a capitalistic thing. Yet when workers get together to form a collective (a union) to promote our agenda we are demonized and called commies and a whole bunch of other silly names that don't make sense. Explain to me why my agenda isn't as important as any other business persons?

Posted by: stacey3 | March 10, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

We had a new poster at the very end of yesterday's morning plum who made such an excellent point that I wanted to bring it forward to make sure everybody had a chance to see it...especially..

Scott & NoVa

@JedG

Haven't seen you here before but welcome and hope you stick around. I'm close to your age and have similar experiences.

The point you bring up at the end of your post truly deserves repeating as you have nailed it and we can see visible proof ALREADY that confirms your thoughts.

"Regarding public employees unions, if it wasn't for the level of continuity the unions provide the political cronyism of the early 1900's would make any inefficiencies in our current governmental system look like child's play.

Within a year, Scott Walker and the Republicans would have Wisconsin's government in total nepotistic chaos."

Madison — The father of the state’s two most powerful legislators was named Tuesday as the head of the State Patrol.

Department of Transportation Secretary Mark Gottlieb passed over five current top officials at the State Patrol to give the job to Stephen Fitzgerald, 68, a former Dodge County sheriff with four decades in law enforcement who was until May the U.S. marshal in the Western District of Wisconsin. Fitzgerald ran for Dodge County sheriff again in September in the Republican primary but was defeated 2-to-1 by incumbent Sheriff Todd Nehls.

Fitzgerald starts Monday and will earn $105,700, slightly less than the current acting superintendent.

Fitzgerald’s sons – Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald (R-Horicon) and Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald (R-Juneau) – took over the top positions in their respective houses after Republican victories in November’s elections. The appointment drew sharply divergent reactions in the capital city, ranging from praise to skepticism and outright criticism."

http://www.wisconsincrimenews.com/fitzgerald-selected-to-head-state-patrol-lawmakers-father-selected-over-five-other-candidates/

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 10, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

@shrink

Did you not catch the irony in your AOL post. Now INDIA is getting jobs outsourced. What is it they say...Karma is a real MFer.

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 10, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how ignorant the Walker supporters are of the facts. I bet not a single one of them actually read the bill -- or even the Wheeler report summarizing it. (But then, even the Republican senators admitted they were voting on the bill without having read it -- talk about a "nakedly political act" as described in Business Week, with similar comments in the Wall Street Journal and Forbes).

Posted by: fact-teller | March 10, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

fact-teller, you would lose that bet. I also linked to The Wheeler Report above.

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 10, 2011 5:52 PM | Report abuse

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