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Posted at 6:29 PM ET, 03/ 1/2011

Happy Hour Roundup

By Greg Sargent

* Next up in Wisconsin: Tonight Governor Scott Walker is proposing a budget containing more than $1 billion in state aid cuts to schools and local governments. Key question: Whether other groups gearing up to battle the budget will join forces with public employees, adding to the pressure on Walker and Repubilcans.

* In his budget address today, Walker said that things will get a whole lot more painful for Wisconsinites if Dems don't return.

* Labor secretary Hilda Solis keeps up the Obama administration's aggressive defense of union bargaining rights, and insists that we not "scapegoat" public employees.

* Republican state senators in Wisconsin will face recall drives, and they will help reactivate the connection between the grassroots and the Dem party apparatus.

* Paul Krugman ably amplifies one of my pet points: Commentators who assumed public employees would make easy targets have now been proven very wrong.

* Charlie Rangel goes there, insisting that abolishing bargaining rights risks reinstituting something akin to slavery.

* Rick Scott's opposition to federally-funded high-speed rail may have accomplished the impossible: He's bested Scott Walker for the title of most isolated governor in the country.

* The House votes to keep the government funded for two weeks with steep cuts, and Senate Dems will follow suit, meaning all that shutdown posturing was for naught. (Though all that posturing could simply resume in two weeks.)

* It's official: Newt will launch a 2012 exploratory committee this week, a test of whether someone who was ignominiously drummed out of public office over a decade ago can get himself treated as a serious contender for the presidency.

* Reality check of the day: Why the greatest obstacle to a Gingrich bid is none other than Gingrich himself.

* The only interesting thing about GOP Rep. Darrell Issa's firing of his communications aide, which is being widely discussed today, is that it's a reminder of how cleverly and ambitiously Issa worked the Washington media to get himself taken seriously as a major Beltway player.

* Coinage of the day: Huckabirtherism, i.e., the claim that Obama grew up in Kenya but is also (probably) an American citizen. (Huckabee's spokesman claims he misspoke.)

* Raw Story says they've got proof that the Fox News reporter was never "punched" in Wisconsin, a claim widely repeated by the right as proof of, well, something.

* And Dana Milbank didn't mention or write about Sarah Palin one single time for an entire month, and lived to tell the tale.

What else is happening?

By Greg Sargent  | March 1, 2011; 6:29 PM ET
Categories:  Happy Hour Roundup, House GOPers, Labor, Senate Dems, budget  
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Comments

Re: Rangel

Dennis G. at Balloon Juice had an excellent post a few days back about the relationship of slavery ending and unionism.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2011/02/20/maps-to-consider/

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 1, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

(Huckabee's spokesman claims he misspoke.)


LOLOLOL Yeah, sure he did...in paragraphs even.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 1, 2011 6:37 PM | Report abuse

"UNDATED (WSAU) Wisconsin is one of 41 states where public employees get better pay-and-benefits than their private sector counterparts.

"Gannett’s national newspaper says public employee salaries-and-benefits have grown faster than those in the private sector over the last 11 years. And the main reason is the rising value of fringe benefits. U-S-A Today said Wisconsin’s state, municipal, and school district employees made an average of almost $51,000 a year in total wages-and-benefits in 2009. That’s about $1,800 more than what private sector employees got."---wsau.com
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So the public employees have a sweeter deal than the taxpayers who pay their salaries. And save the nonsense about the Kochs; we're talking the "average private sector" worker, not a few multi-millionaires who make more than public workers.

Posted by: Brigade | March 1, 2011 6:39 PM | Report abuse

"* Charlie Rangel goes there, insisting that abolishing bargaining rights risks reinstituting something akin to slavery."

Great comments today!

I wonder if Representative Rangel's staff people are unionized? If not, does he consider them slaves?

Absolutely fascinating conversations today! A real pleasure to read! I thank everyone!

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 1, 2011 6:40 PM | Report abuse

One more: HuffPost has an article up about how even with all the attention Scott (Little Hosni) Walker has gotten, he is not the most isolated GOPee governor. That honor belongs to Rick Scott in FL.

"The latest chapter in the saga came on Tuesday, when leading Republican and Democratic state Senators formally sued the governor in Florida Supreme Court in an attempt to salvage the high-speed rail plans. Just hours later, the Court announced Scott had until noon on Wednesday to respond in kind. His office responded to the lawsuit (not the Court) with a statement from the governor declaring that his "position remains unchanged."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/01/rick-scott-scott-walker-most-isolated-gop-governor_n_829981.html

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 1, 2011 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Are republicans completely out of their mind?

Two fetuses will be presented as witnesses before an Ohio legislative committee hearing a bill that would outlaw abortions after the first heartbeat can be detected inside a woman's womb.

The fetuses will appear live and in color before the committee on a video screen projecting ultrasound images taken from inside their pregnant mothers' bodies. Janet Folger Porter, head of Faith2Action, an anti-abortion group, said the fetuses will be the youngest witnesses to ever testify when they come in front of the House Health and Aging Committee Wednesday morning.

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2011/03/fetuses_to_be_presented_as_wit.html

Posted by: pragmaticagain | March 1, 2011 6:44 PM | Report abuse

"Meaning all that shutdown posturing was for naught. (Though all that posturing could simply resume in two weeks.)"

But note that the baseline for agreement has been set and it includes spending cuts on the order of billions and billions.

Posted by: sbj3 | March 1, 2011 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I think that ultimately Walker will have his hollow victory.
What the resident Right Wingers here don't want to acknowledge is that the November election had your typical low mid term election turnout of mainly white and older voters, not a cross section of the country by any means.

Posted by: filmnoia | March 1, 2011 4:54 PM
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So "mainly white and older voters" vote, and D-bagging liberals like you don't vote. I wonder who the stupid ones are---obviously not the "mainly white and older voters." It must really suck to be a liberal these days, especially a deadbeat like you. Your days of teat suckling may be coming to an end. I wouldn't count much on 2012; the Senate goes next, maybe even the White House. Poor devil.

Posted by: Brigade | March 1, 2011 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Cliff notes for Conservatives: Me and the writer of the link I posted to and the writer of the link he posted to are the three dumbest people in the world and should all be sent to China. Let's just make that your implicit constructive criticism.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 1, 2011 5:40 PM
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Me and the writer are . . .
Lacking a bit in language skills are we? At least one of you is certainly dumb.

Posted by: Brigade | March 1, 2011 6:54 PM | Report abuse

"* Labor secretary Hilda Solis keeps up the Obama administration's aggressive defense of union bargaining rights, and insists that we not "scapegoat" public employees."

Why should the base trust the Administration on this? Will they be as aggressive as they were in their attempt to end the Bush tax cuts, and then capitulated? Or their defense of the Public Option, before capitulating?

Fascinating comments all! :-)

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 1, 2011 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Huckabee is just a wannabe. Barbour is a real life, home grown, country fried, ni**er hater.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 1, 2011 6:12 PM
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Hahahahahaha. A racist under every bed and in every shadow. What a pathetic individual. I'll be surprised if he makes it another five years before going to the joint.

Posted by: Brigade | March 1, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Greg:

""Charlie Rangel goes there, insisting that abolishing bargaining rights risks reinstituting something akin to slavery.""

And by "there" you mean depths of inanity and stupidity rarely visited by ordinary humans?

Posted by: ScottC3 | March 1, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

"Charlie Rangel goes there, insisting that abolishing bargaining rights risks reinstituting something akin to slavery."
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You just could never make it up. How about locking up tax cheats? Is that anything like slavery.

Posted by: Brigade | March 1, 2011 7:00 PM | Report abuse

And Greg, you almost went a month without talking about someone else talking about Sarah Palin! Kudos.

Posted by: adammc123 | March 1, 2011 7:01 PM | Report abuse

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2011/02/20/maps-to-consider/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/01/rick-scott-scott-walker-most-isolated-gop-governor_n_829981.html

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 1, 2011 6:40 PM
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Echo chamber much? No wonder liberals are so ill informed. You should listen to Rush or Hannity just to keep yourself balanced.

Posted by: Brigade | March 1, 2011 7:04 PM | Report abuse

pragmatic:

""Are republicans completely out of their mind?""

Perhaps these local R's are taking their cue from the national Dems who, you may recall, invited a fictional television character to testify in front of congress on immigration.

Posted by: ScottC3 | March 1, 2011 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Hi all!

Must have offered him a sweet, mortgage!

http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/personnel-notes/146769-mpaa-names-former-sen-chris-dodd-chairman-a-ceo

Thanks in advance for reading!

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 1, 2011 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, that's exactly the same thing Scott. Good one!

Posted by: pragmaticagain | March 1, 2011 7:19 PM | Report abuse

prag:

Just so I understand...a person who offers video of a fetus as "testimony" during a hearing on abortion in order to bring attention to the hearing is "out of their mind", but a person who invites a fictional character to testify during a hearing on immigration in order to bring attention to the hearing (which is nevertheless not comparable in any way at all), is not "out of their mind". Is that right?

Somehow I suspect the words "Republican" and "Democrat" have a whole lot more to do with your judgement of their respective actions than anything else. You ability to see things objectively astounds.

Posted by: ScottC3 | March 1, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Scott

"Perhaps these local R's are taking their cue from the national Dems who, you may recall, invited a fictional television character to testify in front of congress on immigration."

Well played! Your fellow "Bobbsey Twin" Pee Wee Herman Q.B. will be very impressed. The ole "I know you are so what am I" routine.

Very intellectual indeed!

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 1, 2011 7:39 PM | Report abuse

More Obamacrat financial corruption. I hadn't even heard about this one.

http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2011/03/party-of-rich-and-connected-fatcat.html

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 1, 2011 7:43 PM | Report abuse

The babies in the womb will be much more eloquent than 99% of current TV non-entities.

{{{btw: Colbert's an RC. heh}}}

Posted by: tao9 | March 1, 2011 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Scott,

Since when is Stephen Colbert a "fictional television character"? Stephen Tyrone Colbert is his real, legal, given-at-birth name. No fiction about it.

Yes, he assumes a mantle of "raging conservative" Tea Partier on television. But so do a lot of Republicans. Are you saying that Orrin Hatch is a fictional television character?

Posted by: bearclaw1 | March 1, 2011 7:51 PM | Report abuse

""Just so I understand...a person who offers video of a fetus as "testimony" during a hearing on abortion in order to bring attention to the hearing is "out of their mind", but a person who invites a fictional character to testify during a hearing on immigration in order to bring attention to the hearing (which is nevertheless not comparable in any way at all), is not "out of their mind". Is that right?""

Well, it was a real person who plays a fictional character. The real person really went and worked in the fields with the migrant workers, and testified about how no one in the room would have done it on a bet. And that probably means you too, Scott.
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Posted by: jprestonian | March 1, 2011 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Prag,

Will the fetuses be giving sworn testimony? Will they have to put their hands on a Bible to be sworn in? Or just raise their right hands? I'm seeing some difficulty getting a Bible into a woman's uterus -- not that that Religious Right hasn't been trying to do that for decades.

Posted by: bearclaw1 | March 1, 2011 7:54 PM | Report abuse

"Well played! Your fellow "Bobbsey Twin" Pee Wee Herman Q.B. will be very impressed. The ole "I know you are so what am I" routine.

Very intellectual indeed!"

While I always appreciate being mentioned in the same breath as Scott, it's really sad to see you continue to shame yourself with this childishness.

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 1, 2011 7:54 PM | Report abuse

From very the last of the last thread (folks basing their judgements upon Mr. Serwer's emanations are severely ill-advised):
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"...and the Walker-engineered budget shortfall unmasked as pretext"

That is incorrect.

Perhaps Mr. Serwer and Mr. Beutler aren't aware that is incorrect.

My sense is that neither understands biennial budgeting. Neither seem to have much of a grasp of economics or accounting(Serwer; BA/English; Vassar).

The "ginning"/"pretext" tax cuts were not a line item of the current year budget and did not affect any current deficit.

Mr. Serwer and Mr. Beutler are incorrect so often, Mr. Serwer in particular, that it seems to almost be purposefully.

The 2012-2013 biennial budget was released today. The forecast for that period was a projected $3.6Billion shortfall. The proposed budget addresses that projected 2yr deficit.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-03-01-wisconsin-budget_N.htm

Posted by: tao9 | March 1, 2011 7:10 PM

Posted by: tao9 | March 1, 2011 8:13 PM | Report abuse

"Will the fetuses be giving sworn testimony?"

No, but it will be from the Heart.

Posted by: tao9 | March 1, 2011 8:24 PM | Report abuse

""No, but it will be from the Heart.""

What is "it," in this sentence, tao9?
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Posted by: jprestonian | March 1, 2011 8:26 PM | Report abuse

"The babies in the womb will be much more eloquent than 99% of current TV non-entities."

And far more intelligent than the average Teabagger. And possessing far more critical thinking skills than the average teabagger.

Teabagger logic....the sky is falling..the sky is falling...look at the deficit..we must address the deficit.

We have a grossly bloated defense department fighting two uncalled for wars spending close to the same amount as the rest of the world combined. Do we suppose one answer to help with the deficit might be to cut our defense spending to say..oh the level of our closest three competitors combined? Duh!!!

Our tax burden is at the lowest point in more than FIVE DECADES at 14-15% of GDP. Do we suppose that returning to a normal rate in the 18% range might be appropriate.
But hey the sky is falling why not really address the problem..our economy has seen prosperous times when the tax burden was as high as 20% of GDP...if the sky is really falling...doesn't this call for some desperate measures...duhh...like returning our tax burden to historic norms...or since this is such a pressing emergency according to every righty on this blog how about going to 20% until we make a dent.

When Conservatives develop the critical thinking skills to HONESTLY address our deficit with a package of tax increases then we can talk about the necessary cuts...beginning with our bloated ineffective defensive posture!!!!

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 1, 2011 8:30 PM | Report abuse

"I'm seeing some difficulty getting a Bible into a woman's uterus -- not that that Religious Right hasn't been trying to do that for decades."

Bearclaw...you may have just snagged the award for line of the night! LMAO

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 1, 2011 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Is there no shame in the R party or the religious right? Now we have the spectre of an ordained minister, a presumed frontrunner for the R Presidential nomination telling an outright lie.

Mike Huckabee talking about Obama's attitudes in an interview as having been formed from being raised in Kenya!

Really how low can the R's go...now their ordained ministers have been reduced to bald faced LIARS!!! Shame on all of you who support this nonsense.

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 1, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

"...almost went a month without talking about someone else talking about Sarah Palin..."

This is indeed a spectacular achievement, credit where it is due.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 1, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

ScottC, since Brigade is incapable of posting without drooling all over himself, I wonder, what is YOUR take on the Democratic and REPUBLICAN Florida Senators who sued Gov Rick Scott in the FL Supreme Court over his rejection of high speed rail?

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 1, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

""Mike Huckabee talking about Obama's attitudes in an interview as having been formed from being raised in Kenya!""

I'm inclined to believe that Huck was speaking from ignorance and overload of such from the Fauxites and Baggers, instead perhaps meaning to say 'grew up outside the U.S. (Indonesia)," rather than Kenya.
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Posted by: jprestonian | March 1, 2011 8:44 PM | Report abuse

"What is "it," in this sentence, tao9?"

testimony

{{{ you can call me tao...no need for last names amongst friends ;>) }}}

Posted by: tao9 | March 1, 2011 8:44 PM | Report abuse

""testimony""

So, the laparoscopic cameras will enter the fetal heart before it has developed?
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Posted by: jprestonian | March 1, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

"like returning our tax burden to historic norms"

Good idea. Repeal the 16th and restore government to the original plan.

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 1, 2011 8:50 PM | Report abuse

"I'm seeing some difficulty getting a Bible into a woman's uterus -- not that that Religious Right hasn't been trying to do that for decades."

Bearclaw...you may have just snagged the award for line of the night! LMAO

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 1, 2011 8:33 PM
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Certainly the most idiotic line of the night. RUK finds abortion extremely humorous. Right up there with murder and rape.

Posted by: Brigade | March 1, 2011 8:53 PM | Report abuse

"Good idea. Repeal the 16th and restore government to the original plan."

(snicker)

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 1, 2011 8:54 PM | Report abuse

America's Oracle talks,

"In his twice-a-year testimony on monetary policy before the Senate Banking Committee, Bernanke addressed the steep hike in the price of oil - including a surge last week amid turmoil in Libya - and the costs of other globally traded items in recent months. He said he does not expect a major impact on consumer prices in the United States but also made clear that if oil prices continue to rise and cause fears of permanent high inflation, the Fed could act.

Bernanke did not specify how the Fed would act, but members would probably consider raising interest rates or otherwise tightening the money supply to try to regain credibility as inflation-fighters. Such a move, however, would come at the cost of further slowing an already weak economy."

I just hope you folks understand that (as you trash each other), this is going South, so to speak. The Fed is locked into printing money, it does not have the option of raising interest rates, let alone tightening the money supply. If they did that the rich would get mad: Hell to pay.


Posted by: shrink2 | March 1, 2011 8:54 PM | Report abuse

jp,

This is prags first sentence in his post:

"Two fetuses will be presented as witnesses before an Ohio legislative committee hearing a bill that would outlaw abortions after the first heartbeat can be detected inside a woman's womb."

Get it now?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I can't live without it
I'm just wild about it
I can't live without it

Inarticulate speech
Inarticulate speech of the heart
Inarticulate speech
Inarticulate speech of the heart

I'm a soul in wonder
I'm a soul in wonder
I'm a soul in wonder
I'm a soul in wonder
[Van Morrison]

Posted by: tao9 | March 1, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Or, tao (since I **may** call you "tao")... are you saying this debate needs to embrace arguments from emotion, rather than logic and fact?
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Posted by: jprestonian | March 1, 2011 8:59 PM | Report abuse

The Fed is locked into printing money, it does not have the option of raising interest rates, let alone tightening the money supply. If they did that the rich would get mad: Hell to pay.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 1, 2011 8:54 PM
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The rich? You mean like John Kerry and George Soros?

Posted by: Brigade | March 1, 2011 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Indonesia, Kenya, what is the difference? Seriously, this is America. People here think, if I have to know about places with names like that, or even have to type names like that, my life is not as good as it used to be.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 1, 2011 8:59 PM | Report abuse

""Indonesia, Kenya, what is the difference? Seriously, this is America. People here think, if I have to know about places with names like that, or even have to type names like that, my life is not as good as it used to be.""

:lol:

Not to mention, I don't wanna be in an elevator with a man that looks like... well, YOU KNOW SHUT UP THAT'S WHY!
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Posted by: jprestonian | March 1, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Hi all!

Man, is there any limit to their power?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/02/world/europe/02assange.html?_r=1

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 1, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Hi all!

Man, is there any limit to their power? First they manage to slip a pro Zionist message into the London Olympic symbols, then, apparently just for the heck of it, they ensnare Assange.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/02/world/europe/02assange.html?_r=1

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 1, 2011 9:06 PM | Report abuse


Tuesday, March 1, 2011
"A break in the wall? Fleebaggers experiencing 'dissension in the ranks'"

"Fox Nation has learned exclusively from a highly placed source within Wisconsin state politics that the fourteen AWOL Democrats are experiencing "dissension in the ranks." State Sen. Julie Lassa (D) is pregnant and "extremely unhappy" about being on the run. State Sen. Jon Erpenbach (D) has been hit particularly hard by his paycheck being withheld. Wisconsin State Senate leadership is currently negotiating with eight of the fourteen to come home.

"Gov. Scott Walker (R) has declared today the deadline for action on his budget repair bill . . .

"This is certainly good news. However, I do not envy the Democrats who cave. The left will unleash unimaginable hate towards those Fleebaggers. No excuse they can give will ever be acceptable for the far left."---anotherblackconservative.blogspot.com


Posted by: Brigade | March 1, 2011 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Whoops! Sorry for that! But seriously, have you ever seen such a beautiful double posting?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 1, 2011 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Or, tao (since I **may** call you "tao")... are you saying this debate needs to embrace arguments from emotion, rather than logic and fact?

Yes

Posted by: tao9 | March 1, 2011 9:15 PM | Report abuse

"Just so I understand...a person who offers video of a fetus as "testimony" during a hearing on abortion in order to bring attention to the hearing is "out of their mind", but a person who invites a fictional character to testify during a hearing on immigration in order to bring attention to the hearing (which is nevertheless not comparable in any way at all), is not "out of their mind". Is that right?"

bahahahahaha, I was wondering how many posts it would take before a Conservative would defend this. And not just ANY Conservative, either, but the Smartest Conservative In The World!

Incidentally, the law is about banning abortions after the heart starts beating. This is about six weeks after conception. So if a woman is a bit irregular with her periods, she's screwed. And forget about being able to find out if the fetus has Down's Syndrome.

Of course, the bill is clearly Unconstitutional, but whatever. We got a good Supreme Court that isn't bothered with trivialities like that.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 1, 2011 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Of course, the bill is clearly Unconstitutional, but whatever. We got a good Supreme Court that isn't bothered with trivialities like that.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 1, 2011 9:25 PM
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Just like the Supreme Court which first ruled in Roe v Wade wasn't bothered with such trivialities. The Court giveth and the Court taketh away.

Posted by: Brigade | March 1, 2011 9:29 PM | Report abuse

All elections come down to trying to get things better. Nowadays, the Republicans, having tossed the food overboard into the mouths of sharks, they now know it is not going to be better no matter what Republicans do. They are bent to bad news.

Meanwhile, the Ds were so locked on to Republicans tossing the food overboard, they decided they could do the same thing. The Republicans understand; they can blame Democrats for failing to stop that, therefore, they won.

That is the Democratic narrative. Problem is, the Democrats are tossing food and water overboard too.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 1, 2011 9:30 PM | Report abuse

"Or, tao (since I **may** call you "tao")... are you saying this debate needs to embrace arguments from emotion, rather than logic and fact?"

Lefties don't fare too well separating fact and emotion.

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 1, 2011 9:32 PM | Report abuse

"Of course, the bill is clearly Unconstitutional, but whatever."

No, it's only clearly un-living-constitution-al. The "constitution" in Roe isn't the actual Constitution.

Someone should have told you earlier.

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 1, 2011 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Wow, at the FOX News Reporter lying about being punched. So much for there being a wall between news and opinion.

Reminds me of a few years ago when a woman said she was attacked by blacks who scrawled BO on her face using a knife. Only it turned out to be makeup she applied herself. The giveaway was that the BO was mirror reversed since she used a mirror to apply the makeup.

It's actually quite a testament to the civility of these protests that Conservatives can't find an actual incidence of violence. I'd think they'd at least be able to come up with one or two genuine ones.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 1, 2011 9:42 PM | Report abuse

"I'm inclined to believe that Huck was speaking from ignorance and overload of such from the Fauxites and Baggers, instead perhaps meaning to say 'grew up outside the U.S. (Indonesia)," rather than Kenya."


I certainly grant you your inclination jpres
but really? His office released a statement that backs up what you suggest...it says..
He simply misspoke.

IF he is truly that ignorant, or insensitive, then again SHAME on Huckabee.

Obama spend roughly FOUR years of his upbringing in Indonesia...0-6 Hawaii...10 until he left for college in Ca. again in Hawaii...even one of the morons who used to post here had to refer to Obama as the "alleged" Hawaiian. Huckabee is a wh^re and a disingenuous panderer...he was speaking to his party's tea bagger base.

If it was Sister Sarah I'd be more inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt because she truly is a dim bulb...but folks like Huckabee and Gingrich are the most disgusting form of politician we have today...and considering the field of choices that is saying quite a bit.

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 1, 2011 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Taking care of working people, taking care of poor people, it isn't about a blowing money contest. It is a conservative process.

If the left wants to take charge, it has to be conservative. The left enjoys the critique of the rich from a losing position. The liberals are the bridge. If labor wants a winning political party, labor has to stop wrapping itself in the victim blanket. Books have been written advancing this point, but fairly, labor keeps selling itself out.


Posted by: shrink2 | March 1, 2011 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Lefties don't fare too well separating fact and emotion.
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No one is good at separating fact and emotion. We are all passionate about some things. No one is Joe Friday.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | March 1, 2011 9:45 PM | Report abuse

I should have said, they don't do well telling which is which, either.

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 1, 2011 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I thought this was funny. I keep remembering the sign I saw Saturday, "America has a Koch problem". Remember the old "Laugh In" show anyone? Sock it to me. Cuts for everyone but the guys who can actually afford it.

""With Big Oil raking in record profits, House Democrats offered a Motion to Recommit to the House Republican short-term spending bill this afternoon making a responsible cut to the budget: putting an end to taxpayer-funded subsidies to large oil companies. Repealing these subsidies would save taxpayers tens of billions over the next decade and even ex-Shell CEO John Hofmeister agrees saying “with high oil prices, such subsidies are not necessary.”

Rep. William Keating (D-MA) offered the motion on the House floor saying “let’s stop sending taxpayers’ money to the most profitable companies in the world.”

...Republicans voted unanimously against the motion, defeating it by a vote of 176-249.""

Posted by: lmsinca | March 1, 2011 9:49 PM | Report abuse

@R&R (Ethan)

My wife was in Tallahassee last Wednesday along with another dentist lobbying for dental health issues.

They came back amazed at the depth of dislike for DICKtator Scott from members of BOTH parties.

Tricky Ricky may yet pull off the Scott double..as it will be known in the future.
Screw up soooo badly as a CEO of a private corportation that your board decides paying a fine of 1.7 BILLION $ is a better choice than retaining their CEO. Yes Ricky boy has been given the boot as CEO of a Corp by HIS board of directors and now he could well be on the way to getting recalled by the voters. Remember the low midterm turnouts...Ricky was able to use his 100 million to buy the Governors mansion with just 22% of our registered voters and while we might bemoan the teabaggers ignorance nobody can deny their enthusiasm.

Wow is there anything more frightening than a group of enthusiastic idiots?

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 1, 2011 9:49 PM | Report abuse

""I certainly grant you your inclination jpres
but really? His office released a statement that backs up what you suggest...it says..
He simply misspoke.""

Right. I think we'll see Huck say more than that, later this week. If not, I'm wrong about him.

He's a thug, for sure... but he seems to have an operative morality that doesn't cede to no admitting when he's stupidly wrong, IMO.
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Posted by: jprestonian | March 1, 2011 9:51 PM | Report abuse

@jpres Agree with your opinion on Huck.

@12Bar You waste your considerable thoughtfulness on Q.B. He is nothing more than a rigid ideologue with no ability to think critically.

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 1, 2011 9:55 PM | Report abuse

@12Bar You waste your considerable thoughtfulness on Q.B. He is nothing more than a rigid ideologue with no ability to think critically.
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Oh well, it's Christian to keep trying. Seven times seven, and all that, you know.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | March 1, 2011 9:59 PM | Report abuse

It's a hell of a misspeak. I wonder what he meant. Obama spent a few years in Indonesia. Do people in Indonesia hate the Brits? Does it matter? They are just so WEIRD there!

But as I put in the last thread, this is pretty weak racism by Republican standards. It's bound to cost him some primary votes. If Huckabee is serious about winning the nomination, he needs to step his racism up a notch. Barbour and Palin are the gold standards and Romney is willing to say absolutely anything and the guy is nothing if not a quick study. (And he'd better bring it. This tyranny thing isn't going to be easy to overcome.)

Cmon, Huck, you can do better than that!

Posted by: DDAWD | March 1, 2011 10:04 PM | Report abuse

12Bar

Yes which is why you and lmsinca and shrink are my heroes. :-) I try but fall short or patience. "There are none so blind as those who will not see."

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 1, 2011 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Anyone catch Diane Sawyer tonight? My husband was clicking around and caught this bit. Some sort of investigative group went into someone's home in Texas and removed everything that wasn't made in America. The place was literally stripped. They left the doggie bed so at least the dog would have a place to sleep, every piece of furniture, electronic equipment and appliance were absolutely gone. Nothing, nada, made in America, an empty home. Then this group went about trying to find replacements for everything that was made in America, not as easy as it sounds. Took them forever to find just a coffee maker.

They went on to say that if every adult spent just 18 cents everyday purchasing something made in America it would add 200,000 jobs. Think about that when you shop.

I could tell you some stories about our own little patented item that started our business 35 years ago and what happened when our patent expired and the race to the bottom started between our competitors. Let's just say it took about 10 years but our made in America product has finally made a comeback. The secret to our success such as it is, published consumer comments.

Posted by: lmsinca | March 1, 2011 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I gotta agree with Geithner on this one. It's TurboTax's fault.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Chinas-holdings-of-US-debt-apf-3118302220.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=6&asset=&ccode=

Great comments tonight!

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 1, 2011 10:06 PM | Report abuse

"If the left wants to take charge, it has to be conservative. The left enjoys the critique of the rich from a losing position. The liberals are the bridge. If labor wants a winning political party, labor has to stop wrapping itself in the victim blanket. Books have been written advancing this point, but fairly, labor keeps selling itself out."

Problem is that working class Americans don't get cable shows. It's actually quite impressive how teachers, of all people, have gotten demonized like this.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 1, 2011 10:08 PM | Report abuse

I just looked at my dogs' bed--Made In China. Of course, there's a hole in it--Made by Shih Tzus.

OMG--Shih Tzus--Made in China.

Is there nothing not made in China?
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Seriously, lms, we do need to at least look for Made In U.S. tags and opt for that. I know we've lost the battle, but at least we can go down swinging.

What's your product. At least you should plug it here.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | March 1, 2011 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm. I agree with the have to keep trying, it is the meaning of life. Trading in bad news on purpose is pernicious. Short selling. It is a market that was invented by religious cults, Now people think betting on failure is a good thing. Not sure, no one is.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 1, 2011 10:11 PM | Report abuse

""Great comments tonight!""

McWing, I've certainly enjoyed your minimalism, BTW. :)

Posted by: lmsinca | March 1, 2011 10:15 PM | Report abuse

It's difficult to imagine how someone who has "no ability to think critically" can graduate law school and pass the bar exam.

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 1, 2011 10:23 PM | Report abuse

12Bar, google Tennis Ball Saver. Luckily my husband's boss and mentor thought to trademark both the name and the color, ours is the yellow one. We bought the business 10 years ago, but my husband was the only salesman for over 20 years and put them on the map. When we finally retire, the tooling goes to his boss's grandson.

Posted by: lmsinca | March 1, 2011 10:24 PM | Report abuse

"...embrace arguments from emotion, rather than logic and fact?"

Can't run a StarShip without Spock.

Can't run one without Kirk either.

{{{Fun fact: NCC-1701 is the number of the WisconsinSenate Budget Repair Bill}}}

Posted by: tao9 | March 1, 2011 10:25 PM | Report abuse

@lms,

I see that the Yellow Tennis Ball Saver is preferred! And where can people buy such an item? For those who play tennis, I suppose...

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | March 1, 2011 10:30 PM | Report abuse

German annualized GDP growth was 0.8% and 0.4% for the last two quarters of 2010.

British annualized GDP growth was 0.7% and -0.5% for the last two quarters of 2010.

US annualized GDP growth was 2.6% and 2.4% for the last two quarters of 2010.

So much for the canard that the stimulus didn't work.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | March 1, 2011 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Can't run a StarShip without Spock.

Can't run one without Kirk either.
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We should keep in mind that Spock is a fantasy. There are no human automatons. There are no people without emotions. Not that some people don't try to accomplish that by various means, usually involving chemicals.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | March 1, 2011 10:34 PM | Report abuse

12Bar, Amazon or local retailers and many other online sporting goods stores.

""Hmmm. I agree with the have to keep trying, it is the meaning of life.""

Agreed shrink, even in my darkest days, the loss of my hope is only fleeting. When I was about 12 I started saying to myself when something particularly awful would happen, "it could always be worse, I could be dead".

Posted by: lmsinca | March 1, 2011 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Spock is only half human.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 1, 2011 10:38 PM | Report abuse

12Bar,

So true.

Posted by: tao9 | March 1, 2011 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Spock is only half human.
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Oh, well, my bad. That explains everything. I forgot he was only half human. You being a doc, that would be obvious. Bwahahaha!!!

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | March 1, 2011 10:44 PM | Report abuse

NCC-1701 is the number of the Wisconsin Senate Budget Repair Bill

Seriously?!

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 1, 2011 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Is everyone else as turned on as I am with all the Star Trek talk?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 1, 2011 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Governor Walker looks somewhat Vulcan to me.

Posted by: tao9 | March 1, 2011 10:58 PM | Report abuse

FB, you can clip two quarters out of time, but America has not grown in ten years. If you want to compare American economic policy to other places, there are measures.

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2011/02/19/opinion/19blowch.html?ref=opinion

The American promise has been growth will conquer all. Well, will it?

Posted by: shrink2 | March 1, 2011 10:59 PM | Report abuse

@shrink,

Amazing--I did not know that there are two citystates with worse income inequality than the U.S.! Hong Kong and Singapore. But we make up for it because no one has nearly as many people in prison (per capita, of course).

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | March 1, 2011 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh I see this chart has a correction,

"The chart accompanying this column last week shaded Italy's and Spain's math scale scores incorrectly. They should have been included among the ''worst of the worst,'' not merely ''the ''worst.'' In addition, shadings for the United States and Taiwan were reversed. Taiwan should have been among the ''worst of the worst'' for life expectancy at birth, and the United States should have been among the ''worst.'' Finally, the French prison population per 100,000 citizens was incorrect. It is 96, not 365."

So the next obvious thing to say: of course we are no longer able to compete with fancy little socialist countries. We have to see charts like this comparing us to China and India, countries with more people, and population contenders like Brazil and Indonesia, yeah, that is what is happening.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 1, 2011 11:10 PM | Report abuse

TrollMcWingnut, no.

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 1, 2011 11:19 PM | Report abuse

While we're in a reflective mood about how we stack up against other countries, take a look at this graph. You have to enlarge it quite a bit to see it, so use ctrl+ several times. The line that is off the chart is the U.S.

http://blogs.ngm.com/.a/6a00e0098226918833012876a6070f970c-800wi

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | March 1, 2011 11:23 PM | Report abuse

"it could always be worse, I could be dead".

I am sure you can imagine, there are so many people in the world who think so little of themselves now and then, they think they would be better off dead and the reason they keep on: they know that others depend on them to not think that. This is just one of the many ways love saves the world.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 1, 2011 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Nice charts. You have to wonder if there is any possible evidence that Conservatives can see that will make them think, even for just ten seconds, that the way their people run the country is just flat out wrong.

I know, I crack myself up too.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 1, 2011 11:43 PM | Report abuse

""I am sure you can imagine.....""

I don't need to imagine, I volunteer for hospice. It's both a sad and a joyous place full of misery and hope and love in abundance.

Posted by: lmsinca | March 2, 2011 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Omfg...


Issa press aide scandal is like reality TV

By Dana Milbank
Wednesday, March 2, 2011

"the office of Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), chairman of the House committee in charge of probing the Obama administration, had been secretly forwarding private correspondence with journalists to an author writing a book about Washington."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/01/AR2011030105737.html?nav=rss_opinion/columns


Amature hour is back. These jokers have zero intention of being serious. It's all a big frat party game to Republicans.

Good night all.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | March 2, 2011 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Just saw a "tweet" that Wisconsin Democratice Senator Tim Cullen has returned to Wisconsin. Don't know how reliable info is yet though.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 2, 2011 12:37 AM | Report abuse

I just love how the GOP creeps bare their teeth in rage that there are a few wealthy people who aren't GOP creeps.

Like, they have to be insane not to support the party that would better benefit them personally.

Funny, or maybe it isn't, that the GOP creeps don't make the same observation about themselves.

There is not a single GOP creep posting here who will not be substantially worse off by Republican successes.

Posted by: caothien9 | March 2, 2011 3:41 AM | Report abuse

Nice charts. You have to wonder if there is any possible evidence that Conservatives can see that will make them think, even for just ten seconds, that the way their people run the country is just flat out wrong.

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Dude, read what they post. Conservative People don't want prosperity and health. They're nihilists at heart. They want to burn it all down and dance around the fire.

Have you read a single post by any Conservative Person on any forum in the past ten years that expressed any kind of hopeful, wholesome, or positive vision? Even one?

Posted by: caothien9 | March 2, 2011 3:48 AM | Report abuse

"it could always be worse, I could be dead".

I am sure you can imagine, there are so many people in the world who think so little of themselves now and then, they think they would be better off dead and the reason they keep on: they know that others depend on them to not think that.

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And very often it's a pet.

Read a looooong time ago about a study of heart attack survival. It'd long been mysterious how identical clinical presentations ended up with different results ... some died, some survived. Study examined every factor they could think of ., the most pivotal variable correlated with survival?

Having a pet at home.

Posted by: caothien9 | March 2, 2011 4:45 AM | Report abuse

Is everyone else as turned on as I am with all the Star Trek talk?

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Not I. It was a visionary and exciting show that didn't age well and the sequels were horrid.

Posted by: caothien9 | March 2, 2011 4:55 AM | Report abuse

Reminds me of a few years ago when a woman said she was attacked by blacks who scrawled BO on her face using a knife. Only it turned out to be makeup she applied herself. The giveaway was that the BO was mirror reversed since she used a mirror to apply the makeup.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 1, 2011 9:42 PM
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Reminds me of the Tawana Brawley/Al Sharpton incident.

Posted by: Brigade | March 2, 2011 6:36 AM | Report abuse

There is not a single GOP creep posting here ...

Posted by: caothien9 | March 2, 2011 3:41 AM
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Agreed.

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the most pivotal variable correlated with survival?

Having a pet at home.

Posted by: caothien9 | March 2, 2011 4:45 AM
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I should be around awhile; I have four pets. What about those birds? Do they qualify as pets---or merely nuisances?

Posted by: Brigade | March 2, 2011 6:39 AM | Report abuse

"It's difficult to imagine how someone who has "no ability to think critically" can graduate law school and pass the bar exam."

Claw...it's called rote memorization not critical thinking! But then since you're a teabagger also devoid of any critical thinking skills I wouldn't have expected you to realize the difference between memorization and critical thinking. One does not need "thinking" skills to quote the Constitution verbatim upon demand.

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 2, 2011 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Lenin, on the other hand, passed the bar exam without ever going to law school. He was to autodidacty what Franz Liszt was to sight-reading.

Posted by: caothien9 | March 2, 2011 7:12 AM | Report abuse

True dat, ruk, and worth noting that both the greeps who post here and claim to be lawyers never martial even the most rudimentary argument and seem incapable of reasoning even within their own miserable beliefs.

Posted by: caothien9 | March 2, 2011 7:21 AM | Report abuse

"@12Bar You waste your considerable thoughtfulness on Q.B. He is nothing more than a rigid ideologue with no ability to think critically."

Scott once accurately called you Sybil.

Please, could you post another rant about Rick Scott and the historical norm for taxes? We learn so much from them.

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 2, 2011 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Case in point, right on cue.

Anyway, Gingrich thinks he has a shot. Now that would be a hoot. Leaving aside for a moment his variously unsavory past episodes, e.g. dumping a wife battling cancer for a younger woman he'd been having an affair with (not that many would be ready to leave this aside), the guy is more online troll material than presidential timber.

Gingrich is like a Sarah Palin who can correctly conjugate a verb. He's reflexively combative, weak and doctrinaire in the idea department (while regarding himself as gifted and never letting one forget it), and one of those people that become ever less liked while becoming better known.

Posted by: caothien9 | March 2, 2011 7:33 AM | Report abuse

"Claw...it's called rote memorization not critical thinking!"

That's hilarious. I suppose it explains my gre and lsat scores too. Trust me when I say that you'd never last five minutes trying to keep up in my world.

In all seriousness, you don't even recognize critical reasoning when you see it. That's how handicapped you are.

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 2, 2011 7:38 AM | Report abuse

"Trust me when I say that you'd never last five minutes trying to keep up in my world."

I don't think anyone ever doubted this for a second, Mr. "0.00%"

Posted by: DDAWD | March 2, 2011 7:44 AM | Report abuse

"If you want to compare American economic policy to other places, there are measures."

And many of those are dubious. The income inequality scores, for example, are wildly at variance with more careful analyses I've read.

Also, although it's been said 1000 times before, education spending has no correlation with results. We are proof of that.

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 2, 2011 7:47 AM | Report abuse

"I don't think anyone ever doubted this for a second, Mr. "0.00%""

... whatever that's supposed to mean. And no I don't really care.

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 2, 2011 7:54 AM | Report abuse

And many of those are dubious. The income inequality scores, for example, are wildly at variance with more careful analyses I've read.

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Translation: if it doesn't support your Conservative Positions you won't even read it, Mr. "Studied Keynes But Found Him Wanting."

You're one of those tiresome people who's always talking about how smart they are but never quite get around to demonstrating.

Stick to crude insults and alluding to nonexistent achievements, "quarterback."

Posted by: caothien9 | March 2, 2011 7:57 AM | Report abuse

I think we should thank the Republicans for finally snapping us out of our survival mode mentality and pushing us into a more reactionary frame of mind. They turned the lights on in Wisconsin and we all woke up.

""Mervyn King is the same person who previously talked about the brain drain the banks had, since the bankers offered so little to society. His argument is exactly what I've been saying about the situation in the US where the Republicans keep blaming others such as public service workers for the economic crisis. That's completely false and everyone knows it. Most people have been quiet though with the extreme actions in Wisconsin, the right may have finally woken that movement. The Guardian:

" Mervyn King has risked reopening the bitter argument over blame for the financial crisis by saying that government spending cuts are the fault of the City and expressing surprise there has not been more public anger.

The governor of the Bank of England said that people made unemployed and businesses bankrupted during the crisis had every reason to be resentful and voice their protest. He told the Treasury select committee that the billions spent bailing out the banks and the need for public spending cuts were the fault of the financial services sector.

"The price of this financial crisis is being borne by people who absolutely did not cause it," he said. "Now is the period when the cost is being paid, I'm surprised that the degree of public anger has not been greater than it has."""

http://www.americablog.com/2011/03/bank-of-england-chief-blames-budget.html

Posted by: lmsinca | March 2, 2011 7:57 AM | Report abuse

"... whatever that's supposed to mean. And no I don't really care."

Of course not.

I'm not saying that any of us wouldn't mind a peek into the drug induced reality of yours, but no one here expects to be able to keep up, hahaha.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 2, 2011 8:03 AM | Report abuse

In all seriousness, you don't even recognize critical reasoning when you see it. That's how handicapped you are.

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This from the guy who gets every last position in his head from National Review or the WSJ.

And what exactly do you do in law to bring home the bacon? Judging from the quality of sophistry you demonstrate here a legal name-change is probably a halcyon week. Or maybe real estate. Wow, move over, Alberto Gonzales.

Crude insults and empty boasts. That's all you can manage.

Posted by: caothien9 | March 2, 2011 8:07 AM | Report abuse

"I'm not saying that any of us wouldn't mind a peek into the drug induced reality of yours, but no one here expects to be able to keep up, hahaha."

My you are clever.

Btw, I googled 0.00% on this blog, and the only references returned are yours. Whatever you're talking about, you're a liar as well. Typical.

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 2, 2011 8:10 AM | Report abuse

From the annals of IOIYAD

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/wisconsin-protesters-mob-republican-legislator-block-his-entrance-to-the-capitol/#

You know how proud most of you are.

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 2, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

I hate to change the compelling subject matter so early in the morning but Yves Smith lays out a pretty logical legal argument for reigning in the banks/CEO's past unscrupulous behavior via risk management/reporting obligations. I'm well aware I lack the legal chops to verify the practicality of her scenario but for anyone interested here's the link. Of course her conclusion is less than hopeful on the matter, but I thought it was an interesting fantasy none the less.

""Will any of this happen? Of course not. The decision was made at the time of the TARP, and reaffirmed early in the Obama administration when there was serious talk of resolving Citigroup and Bank of America, that no one at the helm of the senior banks would be subject to serious scrutiny, much the less actually expected to be held accountable for actions that wrecked the economy and have imposed serious costs on ordinary Americans. The case we described above is relatively simple to explain to a jury and has the advantage of being the sort where the plaintiffs could build on their experience in one action in subsequent cases.

But that sort of truth, that most, probably all, of the major Wall Street banks were engaged in the same sort of misconduct and the violations extended to the very top of the firms, would expose numerous other parties as complicit. So we’ll permit the cancer in our society to metastasize rather than threaten the power structure. But at least we citizens can make it clear, even if we cannot change the outcome, that we are not buying the canard that nothing can be done to fight this disease.""

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/03/a-straightforward-criminal-case-against-wall-street-ceos-and-senior-executives.html

Posted by: lmsinca | March 2, 2011 8:31 AM | Report abuse

"Btw, I googled 0.00% on this blog, and the only references returned are yours. Whatever you're talking about, you're a liar as well. Typical.

Posted by: quarterback1"

hahahahahaha, you're not going to own your idiocy on the Bush tax cuts having zero effect on the deficit anymore?

Yeah, I wouldn't either.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 2, 2011 8:34 AM | Report abuse

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_hi_te/us_congressman_jeopardy_computer

Take that computer overlords....and republicans.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | March 2, 2011 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Btw, I googled 0.00% on this blog, and the only references returned are yours. Whatever you're talking about, you're a liar as well. Typical.

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If your memory is that bad then I pity your uh "clients."

Posted by: caothien9 | March 2, 2011 8:37 AM | Report abuse

All, Morning Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/03/the_morning_plum_197.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | March 2, 2011 8:38 AM | Report abuse

IOIYAD

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/146917-holder-gitmo-may-stay-open-beyond-2012

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 2, 2011 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Great kiddies now that we've all vented can we get back to some issues.

@lmsinca As always thanks for your link.
BTW as a fellow small business owner aren't you glad that Mr. Boehner is so worried about us. He posits that we need these cuts to provide some "certainity" to for we small business owners. Yeah Mr. Speaker I'm feeling certain alright..certain that you're talking points are bogus and tired.

A group of 300..yeah count them 300 economists...not just John McCain's former advisor have signed off on a letter warning of the dangers of the R's race to make budget cuts in the midst of a fragile recovery.

Again perhaps one of our conservative friends who likes to cut and paste can attack these items one at a time.

1.)The U.S. "stimulated" it's economy, many Euro's decided to try the R strategy or "austerity". Let's compare the results shall we...in terms of growth of GDP. Simply stated.."show me the money".

2.)"Normal" or historic benchmarks of our taxation levels have been at 18% and again we have had prosperous times with levels as high as 20%. Why are the R's so adamant about saving tax cuts for the wealthy when EVERY economists agrees they add to the deficit. If the sky is falling why don't we try going back to at least 18% and maybe 20% temporarily. Corps used to pay 25% of our tax burden as recently as the '50's they now pay only 8% and many of them pay ZERO in taxes!

2.)If someone is truly worried about the deficit..btw I agree it's troublesome and needs to be addressed although I'm not panicked...why don't we start with some REAL waste...our defense posture. Our defense spending has risen by 67% since the beginning of the reign of George the Stoopid! Geesh think we might be able to cut some defense spending..as in BILLIONS AND BILLIONS...REAL $$$?

The R's..like some of our posters are not "serious" players when it comes to the deficit. They are simply rigid ideologues who want to "starve the beast". Again remember the R mantra...IGMGFY!

It takes a Dem in the W.H. to cut the deficit...as borne out by history...now if the dogmatic R's will give Obama a chance we'll see some progress...something completely missing in terms of deficit reduction from the administrations of George the Stoopid and St. Ronnie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 2, 2011 8:39 AM | Report abuse

quarterback1, don't even bother with them. Just post the truth.

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 2, 2011 8:40 AM | Report abuse

One more, and I'll leave y'all to your own devices, lol. And the beat goes on. This is a pretty compelling piece.

""I am seeing this same sort of 'gaming the markets' across many markets and stocks that the author notes below, especially in those markets amenable to leverage and electronic manipulation such as indices driven by futures, options markets, and ETFs which more closely resemble carney games than investment vehicles.

There has always been some element of this, but it is starting to become predominant and is driving out the honest trade and investment which cannot compete, in the same manner that the mortgage frauds corrupted and distorted a major sector of the economy and drove out conventional investment, regulation, checks and balances, regulatory oversight, and finally common sense.

It is getting to be a bit much, and is going to end badly. It will end badly because like the economy which has been crafted by the same makers it is hollow, a facade, set up for the benefit of a few who transfer wealth to themselves from the many. As someone wrote to me today:

"There aren’t really many good options for people who just want to save some money for retirement and live their lives in the meantime. Not even social security or pensions for 30-year veteran teachers are safe from pirate raids and partisan deconstruction. Everything else available to the ordinary retail and retirement saver has become a Wall Street killing floor."

This is no accident. This is no error in judgment. This is not philosophy. It is a calculated white collar crime, that has co-opted many elements of society. It hides behind slogans like 'small government' and 'libertarianism' and 'free markets' but its real intent is to subvert the law and corrupt the processes of the economy and society. It is a type of financial coup d'etat.""

http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2011/02/microcosm-of-widespread-market.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+JessesCafeAmericain+%28Jesse%27s+Caf%C3%A9+Am%C3%A9ricain%29

Posted by: lmsinca | March 2, 2011 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Just admit it, Greg. Dana ghostwrote your Plumline on 2/15.

Birthers love Sarah Palin
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/02/birthers_love_sarah_palin.html

Congrats to Millhouse, for managing to sneer at Mrs. Palin without mocking mentally disabled children. That makes Dana slightly more classy than Barry "Short Bus" Obama or his "F'n retard" former Chief of Staff to discuss politics.

*stay classy*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 2, 2011 8:41 AM | Report abuse

You know how proud most of you are.

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Popping shirt buttons here.

Americans figuring out who's not in their corner. Damned right I'm proud.

Hope the Republicans in WI are peering through the venetian blinds like tweakers, justmlike Democratic candidates before last November.

If they lack human decency, let fear for their safety be a substitute.

Posted by: caothien9 | March 2, 2011 8:42 AM | Report abuse

"http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_hi_te/us_congressman_jeopardy_computer

Take that computer overlords....and republicans."

Holt was apparently a champion during the original run and from what I've heard, the questions were a lot harder back then than they are now. And contestants were limited to five appearances. So we might have missed out on some people who are better than Ken Jennings. Holt could have possibly been one of them.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 2, 2011 8:47 AM | Report abuse

"hahahahahaha, you're not going to own your idiocy on the Bush tax cuts having zero effect on the deficit anymore?

Yeah, I wouldn't either."

People with a reasonable degree of integrity and intelligence understand that it's necessary to cite with precision what someone else said if they want to critique it. But we know you don't understand that, which is ironic since you were trying to help condemn my critical reasoning abilities.

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 2, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Q.B.

I leave this at the tail of this thread rather than contaminating a new one with intra-poster squabbles.

Your posts reveal an incredible inferiority complex. I feel sorry for you. This NEED to establish your bona fides is getting pathetic. Perhaps you can seek some help.

Since this is at the end of the thread and hopefully not widely viewed I'll take a minute to stoop to your level and explain why such boasting is inappropriate IMHO.
I was a National Merit Finalist with an academic scholarship to college. I got a perfect score on one of the SAT "achievement" tests...meaning that I used to have great reading comprehension and retention...at the end of the day what does reading several paragraphs and then getting tested on how much you remember really prove?

But here is my point Q.B. I'm ashamed to bring such achievements up for a variety of reasons. 1.) It's boasting and I was always taught if I had to do the bragging it really didn't mean anything...it was up to others to notice my achievements...not for me to continually point them out.
2.) Those "achievements" such as they were, took place a long time ago...I'm getting senile and no longer have that retentive memory.
3.) There are too many people on this blog who blow me away in many areas...Cao certainly has a far superior memory and ability to catalog facts than me...shrink and 12Bar are far more capable than me at organizing facts into a cogent and reasoned post...lmsinca is far more reasoned than me...well there are so many I could play this game all morning. Point is I'm not the "best"..."the winner"..at anything on this blog. That is PRECISELY why I come here. I don't wish to hang with folks whose "critical thinking" skills....whose information is far beneath that which I possess. I come here to be stimulated...alas I have to wade through dogmatic loons like claw, class clowns like Brigade...masterdebaters like Scott..and strident, rigid ideologues like you who must win at all costs. IT'S NOT A COMPETITION!. Relax and learn something with the rest of us...or consign yourself to the dogmatic ignorance of claw.

Just sayin....

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 2, 2011 8:52 AM | Report abuse

clawrence,

I'm just having a little fun at their expense, and giving them the chance to keep demonstrating their dishonesty. Which they are always willing to do.

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 2, 2011 8:52 AM | Report abuse

[Greg: "All, Morning Roundup posted:"]

No, it is not.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 2, 2011 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Fine, quarterback1, but just realize that I think (critically?) that your substantive posts do demonstrate the ability to think critically. Have fun!

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 2, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

rukidding7, to be fair (unless you are lying / cheated), a "perfect score" on the SAT "proves" the ability to think critically (that test is not all rote memorization). But it is not our side making the allegation otherwise. I will simply stick to the truth and avoid personal attacks against you.

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 2, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

The very first SAT administered in 1901 contained sections on English, French, German, Latin, Greek, history, mathematics, chemistry, and physics. That test was not even multiple choice, but instead was evaluated based on essay responses as "excellent", "good", "doubtful", "poor" or "very poor".

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 2, 2011 9:24 AM | Report abuse

"Your posts reveal an incredible inferiority complex. I feel sorry for you. This NEED to establish your bona fides is getting pathetic. Perhaps you can seek some help."

Lol you are so predictable, and so far off the mark.

It was you who for no apparent reason decided to jump in and say I have no critical reasoning skills. Just one of your random, unsolicited insults. (Now, why do you feel that need?)

You then responded to clawrence's matter-of-fact rejoinder with what was a genuinely comical (inept) assertion that law school and bar exams require only rote memorization. I found it genuinely funny that you were either so ignorant or so desperate to insult me and "win" the argument that I am stupid. All I did was poke fun at the silliness of your "argument" with a vague reference to standardized reasoning tests. (Btw, I actually don't have a very good memory.)

There is someone who feels compelled to proclaim his intellectual superiority here, it just isn't me. Who declares his intellectual superiority more often than you? Anyone? Who brought up the subject here? Wasn't me, was it?

Just look at your own post -- you say you are ashamed to boast and yet share your past glories in detail. In contrast, I've been taunted and goaded to give my "credentials" forever. (Hmm, wonder why that is?) But I've been very stingy about it, and it has driven some of the lefties here nuts. I'm sure you recall. There were Tena, gasbag, others, who could never refute my arguments and so attacked my "credentials" without any basis and demanded to know details. And when I've given them any information at all, someone like you then gives a condescending speech about boastfulness and inferiority complexes. It's just anothe of your silly games.

Perhaps you should lecture your buddy Colonel Kurtz about his intellectual inferiority complex. No one ever showed up here boasting of his intellect like that sadsack.

In any event, the only person I see here treating discussion as a competition is you. You're the most strident commenter here. If anyone needs to "relax," it isn't me.

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 2, 2011 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Well another month has gone so it is time for another round of who gets to lose to Barak Hussein Obama, only about 600 days to go. Mitt just isn't taken seriously anymore. With Mr. Obama able to sincerely congratulate him on his signature political achievement, he just can't counter, he is outflanked.

Mitch Daniels is the only other serious person being discussed. The rest have no shot, none. So, will Jeb run? To whom will Rove, formerly the architect, now, the bag man, throw the $120 million political payroll.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 2, 2011 9:31 AM | Report abuse

clawrence,

Thanks. I'm pretty much done with the kids for now. My meeting out of town fell through this morning, leaving me a little idle letdown time, but better get back to the grindstone.

Fwiw, I still for unexplainable reasons have some respect for ruk, despite his regular vicious turns. I think his passion gets the best of him. DD and the other clown, however, are a different story.

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 2, 2011 9:34 AM | Report abuse

QB, you brag about how smart you think you are in every post.

It's not just an inferiority complex.

You're intellectually inferior. Insults are all you can manage.

I bet your law office is a rolled up newspaper.

Posted by: caothien9 | March 2, 2011 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Well shrink Daniels just said that ideology trumps saving jobs, not to mention he makes Pawlenty look positively riveting.

Posted by: caothien9 | March 2, 2011 9:40 AM | Report abuse

rukidding7, to be fair (unless you are lying / cheated), a "perfect score" on the SAT "proves" the ability to think critically (that test is not all rote memorization).

Actually claw it wasn't "rote memorization" nor was it thinking...it was the ability to demonstrate reading comprehension and retention. Reading a half dozen paragraphs about a subject and then taking a timed quiz on that material is not thinking..and it's certainly not critical thinking!

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 2, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

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