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Posted at 6:26 PM ET, 03/10/2011

Happy Hour Roundup

By Greg Sargent

* Taken all together, liberal groups have raised nearly $2 million for recall drives against Wisconsin GOP state senators, a sign that the national Dem base won't lose interest in this standoff anytime soon.

* Sam Stein's reporting reveals the degree to which last night's events have raised the stakes in the recall fight astronomically for national labor.

* Steve Kornacki on why Russ Feingold has an outside shot at ousting Scott Walker in a recall election.

* The White House condemns yesterday's GOP maneuver in Wisconsin.

* Steve Benen has been tirelessly pointing out the Beltway's seemingly unshakable prioritization of the deficit over job creation, and today brought still more of the same.

* Good to see that Digby got a piece about those skewed deficit priorities published in the Hill, which is read by lots of Beltway insiders.

* If Washington centrists won't prioritize jobs, than liberal groups will: A coalition of them is now calling on Obama to put forth a serious job-creation plan.

* Jonathan Cohn takes a stab at debunking the GOP claim that defunding the Affordable Care Act will reduce the deficit.

* Your tax dollars at work: It's a good thing Pete King's Congressional hearings on Muslim radicalization spent so much time examining the wisdom of holding Congressional hearings on Muslim radicalization.

* The White House closely watched the hearings today out of nervousness that King's show trial could alienate the Arab world at a particularly sensitive moment for Mideast diplomacy.

* As Jonathan Capehart notes, it doesn't reflect particularly well on King that at his hearings the first Muslim American in Congress broke down in tears defending the patriotism of fellow Muslim Americans.

* Thursday comic relief: Sahil Kapur has an amusing, if somewhat dispiriting, rundown of the six dumbest things said at King's hearings today.

* Yes, King did say that "there are too many mosques in America."

* A former Wisconsin Attorney General says it's clear on its face that last night's GOP maneuver violated the state's open meeting law.

* Even if labor can't block the move in the courts, merely trying to do so will keep the story going and build more momentum for the recall drives.

* And Evan McMorris-Santoro finally finds something to unite left and right: Both agree that the Crossroads GPS ad attacking public employees is bogus.

What else is happening?

By Greg Sargent  | March 10, 2011; 6:26 PM ET
Categories:  Foreign policy and national security, Happy Hour Roundup, Health reform, House GOPers, Labor, budget  
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Comments

steve kormacki got this one right today - "Can you say Governor Feingold?" --- RECALL.

Posted by: ebproducer | March 10, 2011 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Hi everybody!

Greg, does the President support continued Federal Assisitance for Cowboy Poetry Festivals? Also, what Federal programs does the President think are less important than Cowboy Poetry Festivals?

Thanks in advance!

Great comments today everybody! Thanks!

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 10, 2011 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Yes, King did say that "there are too many mosques in America THAT DON'T COOPERATE WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT."

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 10, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

i think feingold has way better than and "outside" shot. i think it does not matter one wit who the democrat is that runs against walker after his recall. after this, whoever the democrat is that runs, will be the new governor of wisconsin next year.

Posted by: ebproducer | March 10, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Walker and his GOP cronies are hypocritical wimps. If they had real balls, they'd take on police and fire unions.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | March 10, 2011 6:56 PM | Report abuse

By the way, did the 14 Democratic Senators fleeing across State lines "violate the principles that [Obama] laid out about coming together and addressing these issues together"? Isn't there some college campus police that he should be calling "stupid" instead?

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 10, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Isn't there some college campus police that he should be calling "stupid" instead?"

One can hope. He's holding a press conference tomorrow.

Thanks for reading! :-)

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 10, 2011 7:03 PM | Report abuse

""Greg, does the President support continued Federal Assisitance for Cowboy Poetry Festivals? Also, what Federal programs does the President think are less important than Cowboy Poetry Festivals?""

Just curious: What do we spend on cowboy poet festivals, annually?

You know that when Americans are polled, their Number One favorite budget cut is to "foreign aid."

Do you know what percentage of our annual budget that represents, and which two countries receive the lion's share of it?
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Posted by: jprestonian | March 10, 2011 7:07 PM | Report abuse

"Do you know what percentage of our annual budget that represents, and which two countries receive the lion's share of it?"

Hi jprestonian!

I'm pretty sure it's less than 1%. Ideals and Egypt, I believe, by treaty.
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Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 10, 2011 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Oops, Israel and Egypt.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 10, 2011 7:15 PM | Report abuse

""I'm pretty sure it's less than 1%. Ideals and Egypt, I believe, by treaty.""

iPhone-corrected version of "Israel," I reckon. ;)

And yes, that's correct! I wonder how many conservatives wanna zero out spending on Israel and Egypt.

Now... how much would we save if we kill off the spending on the cowboy poet fests? Thank you in advance.
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Posted by: jprestonian | March 10, 2011 7:17 PM | Report abuse

sorry if this has been posted

open meetings law compliance guide for WI

http://www.doj.state.wi.us/dls/OMPR/2010OMCG-PRO/2010_OML_Compliance_Guide.pdf

Posted by: smd1234 | March 10, 2011 7:20 PM | Report abuse

And those teachers? They pay perhaps $50,000 OR MORE to educate themselves and get the experience needed to get their license, Pay a good deal more to advance their education and skills, and the school system they work for decides that it doesn't want to pay them for the education and skills. Are they supposed to keep giving up pay and benefits because your little darlings need them, while the school board is cutting their pay because you voted down the property taxes needed to pay for them?

Posted by: ceflynline | March 10, 2011 6:10 PM
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That's the way the cookie crumbles. They didn't have to go after teaching degrees. Graduates in some fields can't find work at all. Good grief, don't any of these people check the going salaries in their field of choice? As I've said before, employer payrolls do not consist of prize money to be awarded to people for graduating from college. The market will determine your worth.

I'm all for unions, just not public sector unions---they're nothing more than fund raising and get-out-the-vote auxiliaries of the Democratic Party. That's why the Dems are so upset.

If the salaries result in a teacher shortage, then school districts will have to up their salaries. Where were all of you bleeding hearts during the 30 years Henry's Turkey farm was locking the mentally challenged in bunkhouses and paying them 40 cents an hour? When was the last time you picketed a meat packing plant employing illegal immigrants while out-of-work Americans stand in the unemployment line?

Posted by: Brigade | March 10, 2011 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Now I will sleep better tonight, but you still never know when seemingly peaceful Muslims will flip into jihadi rages, especially as the full moon is only a week away.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2011 4:34 PM
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Or when all those Republican fascists will come and toss you into a concentration camp, take all your possessions and maybe even start a war with Great Britain or Israel. Oh wait, didn't Clapper say that Russia and China are the ones to worry about?

Posted by: Brigade | March 10, 2011 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Of course, by now, we should all be used to the fact that if a majority of Americans want it, the conservatives will be hell-bent for leather to NOT do it.
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Posted by: jprestonian | March 10, 2011 7:36 PM | Report abuse

When was the last time anyone picketed any job site that exploits illegal labor? Democrats and Republicans, hands and feet in the trough. Out West, there are designated places in cities where illegal workers get picked up by entrepreneurs, or people who just want their crawl space insulated, or their fruit picked, everyone is complicit, it is a bipartisan agreement.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2011 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Almost everyone with high IQ knows that 911 is inside job.

Posted by: BuildingSeven | March 10, 2011 5:42 PM
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Well, now that we've got that out of the way, who's holding the race card this evening?

Posted by: Brigade | March 10, 2011 7:37 PM | Report abuse

jp:

""Now... how much would we save if we kill off the spending on the cowboy poet fests?""

I don't know how much we would save, but if Harry Reid is right, we'd be putting the existence of tens of thousands of people in jeopardy. The horror!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsDwEUJPlSU

Nevada really did well to avoid electing a dunce like Angle, eh?

Posted by: ScottC3 | March 10, 2011 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Walker will not sign the bill into law today:

http://www.fox6now.com/news/sns-ap-mo--5thnewsminute,0,5068205.story

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 10, 2011 7:41 PM | Report abuse

""I don't know how much we would save, but if Harry Reid is right, we'd be putting the existence of tens of thousands of people in jeopardy. The horror!""

Not as horrible as the impending demise of Exxon-Mobil, were Uncle Sugar to pinch the teat, according to Joe Barton (R-BP).
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Posted by: jprestonian | March 10, 2011 7:42 PM | Report abuse

For all you defenders of the right, you might want to go over to right turn and rescue JR, cause she is getting stomped with dissent and nobody seems to want to come to her, or the right's defense.

Posted by: ceflynline | March 10, 2011 7:43 PM | Report abuse

When was the last time anyone picketed any job site that exploits illegal labor? Democrats and Republicans, hands and feet in the trough. Out West, there are designated places in cities where illegal workers get picked up by entrepreneurs, or people who just want their crawl space insulated, or their fruit picked, everyone is complicit, it is a bipartisan agreement.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2011 7:37 PM
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No question. And if you did try to form a picket line, how long do you think it would be before some unionized law enforcement officers were standing around keeping an eye on you to make sure you didn't really interfere with business.

I'll worry about public employees when I can't find anyone it a tougher fix to worry about.

Posted by: Brigade | March 10, 2011 7:43 PM | Report abuse

"Nevada really did well to avoid electing a dunce like Angle, eh?"

I could have beaten Harry Reid. I know plenty of people who could have. Ordinary, successful people with no skeletons in the closet who have managed big budgets, can talk to a room full of people...not that hard to find. But no, the Republicans chose Sharron Angle. Republicans are facing the same problem in 2012, so laugh all you want about Harry Reid, he should have been beaten, no one thought he wouldn't be beaten and your party chose Sharron Angle.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2011 7:45 PM | Report abuse

"And yes, that's correct! I wonder how many conservatives wanna zero out spending on Israel and Egypt.

Now... how much would we save if we kill off the spending on the cowboy poet fests? Thank you in advance."

Thanks for responding jprestonian! Well, I'm down with ending their bribes, er, aid, and I'm a conservative. I also think that whoever is responsible for the idea of Federal funding of the Cowboy Poetry Slam should be made to repay every penny. And who cares what it cost, a penny or a billion dollars, it's not the Federal government's role to subsidize any "art.". In my opinion.

You're Welcome, BTW! Hope you're having a good one! :-)

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 10, 2011 7:46 PM | Report abuse

""Cowboy Poetry Slam""

Oh, a **slam** -- well, we certainly shouldn't have that! I mean, a Festival is family-friendly, and has Bible readings. A **slam** probably has profanity and gang signs!
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Posted by: jprestonian | March 10, 2011 7:53 PM | Report abuse

We've heard for years now about the incompetence of the intelligence community while Bush was President. Doesn't anyone have anything to say about the current Director of National Intelligence, Mr. Clapper and his performance before the Senate Armed Services Committee? Moammar Qaddafi will prevail? Russia and China are mortal threats? Isn't this the same guy who stared blankly when Diane Sawyer asked him about the arrest of 12 terror suspects in London two or three months ago?

A day after Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius admitted the adminstration double counted a half trillion Obamacare dollars, we must begin to wonder if the Obama White House isn't in WAY over its head. Even liberals are beginning to wonder about Gitmo, drones in Pakistan, a botched Healtcare Act and the extension of Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy. Remember Van Jones? What a character. You never know what to expect next---it's getting kind of scary.

Posted by: Brigade | March 10, 2011 8:00 PM | Report abuse

"And yes, that's correct! I wonder how many conservatives wanna zero out spending on Israel and Egypt.

Now... how much would we save if we kill off the spending on the cowboy poet fests? Thank you in advance."

=================================

Let's start with NPR. If we can't get those folks to spit out the federal teat, we're probably beyond hope.

Posted by: Brigade | March 10, 2011 8:04 PM | Report abuse

@brigade: I'm all for unions, just not public sector unions

Sure you are...and Scott Walker is Karl Marx in drag...

The bigger the employer, the more unions are needed. When the employer has the force of the state behind it, unions are essential. Having actually belonged to a union (can you say that Brigade?) I can say that the union stood up for us when dealing with the state. Its funny that somehow the repiglicans regularly castigate "government bureaucrats", but want them to have absolute and arbitrary control over the workers they supervise...go figure...

Posted by: srw3 | March 10, 2011 8:10 PM | Report abuse

shrink:

""I could have beaten Harry Reid.""

Yeah, but Reid is funnier.

""...your party chose Sharron Angle. ""

Actually I think it was Republican voters in Nevada that chose her. That whacky federalist, democracy thing, you know.

But along those lines, wasn't it "your party" that chose Gore and Kerry, two such stellar candidates that they each lost to a semi-literate who you probably could have beaten as well (and who is also funnier than you)? Do you suppose that fact should have kept you Dems from mocking Bush all these years? In any event, it didn't, did it.

Posted by: ScottC3 | March 10, 2011 8:11 PM | Report abuse

@brigade: I'm all for unions, just not public sector unions

Sure you are...and Scott Walker is Karl Marx in drag...

The bigger the employer, the more unions are needed. When the employer has the force of the state behind it, unions are essential. Having actually belonged to a union (can you say that Brigade?) I can say that the union stood up for us when dealing with the state. Its funny that somehow the repiglicans regularly castigate "government bureaucrats", but want them to have absolute and arbitrary control over the workers they supervise...go figure...

Posted by: srw3 | March 10, 2011 8:14 PM | Report abuse

"I could have beaten Harry Reid. I know plenty of people who could have. Ordinary, successful people with no skeletons in the closet who have managed big budgets, can talk to a room full of people...not that hard to find. But no, the Republicans chose Sharron Angle. Republicans are facing the same problem in 2012, so laugh all you want about Harry Reid, he should have been beaten, no one thought he wouldn't be beaten and your party chose Sharron Angle."

Hi shrink! Hope all is well! Yes, Reid as Senator, let alone Senate Majority Leader is laughable. And I for one don't regret the influence Angle's candidacy had on incumbent Republican Senators. Ask Senator Hatch what he thinks of Tea Partyers. Would I rather have her as Nevada's junior Senator? Yeah, but it wasnt a total loss. I wonder how the rest of the Senate Democrats would feel if, say Senator Feinstien is challenged from the left, and loses? I wonder if that would stiffen some spines?

Thanks for the great work today all! :-)

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 10, 2011 8:14 PM | Report abuse

"And I for one don't regret the influence Angle's candidacy had on incumbent Republican Senators."

This is why Democrats at the national level have nothing to worry about (which is good because Tim Kaine is starting to rot and no one at the DNC seems to notice, they keep watering him as if, I don't know, Spring is coming?).

Nowadays, given the choice, the Republicans put up clowns for candidates, that is the Democrats' Ace.

Still...it is true....Kerry and Gore...and Dukakis and, well, best not to be smug I guess. They are all funnier than I'll ever be.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2011 8:35 PM | Report abuse

@brigade: I'm all for unions, just not public sector unions

Sure you are...and Scott Walker is Karl Marx in drag...
...
Having actually belonged to a union (can you say that Brigade?)

Posted by: srw3 | March 10, 2011 8:14 PM
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So I say I'm for private sector unions, but I'm really not. I guess you're a mind reader as well as a dolt.

You actually belonged to a union? We have your word?

Sure you did...and Liam-Still is TwoBuckChuck (from Denton) in drag.

No, I don't belong to a union. I can't imagine how I've survived all these years, and in the private sector, too.

Posted by: Brigade | March 10, 2011 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Still...it is true....Kerry and Gore...and Dukakis and, well, best not to be smug I guess. They are all funnier than I'll ever be.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2011 8:35 PM
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I especially liked that shot of Kerry in REANIMATOR where he was holding his head.

Posted by: Brigade | March 10, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

The website registration info of the organization that punked the NPR folks:

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Posted by: smd1234 | March 10, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

John Kerry, under his pseudonymn, in a scene from RE-ANIMATOR.

http://www.flixster.com/actor/david-gale

Posted by: Brigade | March 10, 2011 8:45 PM | Report abuse

shrink:

""Nowadays, given the choice, the Republicans put up clowns for candidates, that is the Democrats' Ace.""

That ace didn't seem to do them much good back in the most recent poker game. A net loss of 6 Senate seats, a net loss of 63 House seats, a net loss of 6 governorships. That's an awful lot of Dems losing to Republican clown candidates.

Perhaps the Dems are circus freaks too, but you just haven't noticed.

Posted by: ScottC3 | March 10, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

RE
The website registration info of the "organization" that punked the NPR folks:

The stated phone # is in NEW JERSEY.....Muslim Education Action Center of New Jersey

The stated DC address they used (LOL):

http://washingtondc.citysearch.com/profile/map/2170389/washington_dc/the_ups_store.html

Posted by: smd1234 | March 10, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

RE
The website registration info of the "organization" that punked the NPR folks:

The stated phone # is in NEW JERSEY.....Muslim Education Action Center of New Jersey

The stated DC address they used (LOL):

http://washingtondc.citysearch.com/profile/map/2170389/washington_dc/the_ups_store.html

Posted by: smd1234 | March 10, 2011 8:48 PM
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Maybe ethan and some of the other folks will send them a contribution.

Posted by: Brigade | March 10, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

"That ace didn't seem to do them much good back in the most recent poker game. A net loss of 6 Senate seats, a net loss of 63 House seats, a net loss of 6 governorships. That's an awful lot of Dems losing to Republican clown candidates.

Perhaps the Dems are circus freaks too, but you just haven't noticed.

Posted by: ScottC3"

After Citizens United in addition to cable news and talk radio, I'd be embarrassed if I were a Republican strategist at losing a single election.

But hey, good job. You guys took a small edge in the House in a cycle tailor made for you people.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 10, 2011 8:55 PM | Report abuse

In case you all missed it, here in CA in the SF bay area a new TV ad is running against LEGAL immigrants taking jobs away from Americans. The plus side is our local news put their 2cents in with the LEGAL immigrants who were responsible for starting Intel, Yahoo, Tesla etc. This is really a WTF ad.

Posted by: mjohnson1116 | March 10, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

"But hey, good job. You guys took a small edge in the House in a cycle tailor made for you people."

Hi DDAWD! Hope all is well with you! You're right. Republicans, in 2010, should have won all 435 House seats and 100 Senate seats. Pathetic really.

Thanks for reading! (Or not!) :-)

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 10, 2011 9:15 PM | Report abuse

McWing:

It's actually worse. Only 37 Senate seats were up for election in 2010, and the R's couldn't even grab each of them, let alone all 100. Beyond pathetic.

Posted by: ScottC3 | March 10, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Hey man, don't let me make you guys think your actual policies aren't well received by Americans. Nope, nothing to do with an unlimited advertising budget.

nope, nope, nope. All your ideas.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 10, 2011 9:33 PM | Report abuse

"It's actually worse. Only 37 Senate seats were up for election in 2010, and the R's couldn't even grab each of them, let alone all 100. Beyond pathetic."

I blame Diebold.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 10, 2011 9:36 PM | Report abuse

McWing:

""I blame Diebold.""

In all fairness, after Citizen's United granted conservatives exclusive rights to use Jedi mind tricks in corporate advertising to brainwash voters into voting for Republicans, who would have thought that the old Diebold vote rigging ruse would be necessary? Not surprising, really, that they fell down on the job.

Posted by: ScottC3 | March 10, 2011 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I said I could have beaten Harry Reid, that is the contempt I hold for the Democratic candidate, the Senate majority leader (and now he says he wants to outlaw prostitutes!). So that means I am laughing at Republicans because you put up a candidate that was even worse than I. Even so, I am certain I could not have beaten Mike Castle, just so you know how little I think of myself. I can't touch Bible Spice. But none of this matters, you'll put up a serious bid for the White House is five or six years, then we can argue, but only if the Democrats don't get over Obama, pitch Tim Kaine on the compost pile and forget about Wisconsin.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2011 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget to call me elitist for not realizing all the reasons the middle class has to vote Republican which you can't name.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 10, 2011 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Scott,

I forgot, we didn't even win all 9 SCOTUS seats either!

Shrink, In all fairness, I'm pretty sure Castle would have had a worse Republican voting record than Blanche Lincoln, so the impact on Republican Senators up in 2012 was more than worth the loss. Again, imagine if DiFi gets primaries from the left and loses. What's that do for McCaskill and Tester's spine?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 10, 2011 10:00 PM | Report abuse

What middle class? Last night we learned, based upon data from the past year, the countries with a few rich people and lots and lots and lots of poor people can "grow" faster then countries with a middle class. This means the middle class has to go away, then this country's plutocrats can compete. You realize don't you, how few of the billionaires in the world are American. A frikin' Mexican is the richest dude in the world. No wonder the tea baggers have their tena supers all wadded up.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2011 10:11 PM | Report abuse

"What middle class? Last night we learned, based upon data from the past year, the countries with a few rich people and lots and lots and lots of poor people can "grow" faster then countries with a middle class. This means the middle class has to go away, then this country's plutocrats can compete. You realize don't you, how few of the billionaires in the world are American. A frikin' Mexican is the richest dude in the world. No wonder the tea baggers have their tena supers all wadded up.

Posted by: shrink2"

You elitist.

Besides, didn't you hear? progressive taxation is apparently unconstitutional.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 10, 2011 10:16 PM | Report abuse

eeeeee, one more week and then we all start dancin!

Posted by: DDAWD | March 10, 2011 10:18 PM | Report abuse

"What middle class? Last night we learned, based upon data from the past year, the countries with a few rich people and lots and lots and lots of poor people can "grow" faster then countries with a middle class. This means the middle class has to go away, then this country's plutocrats can compete. You realize don't you, how few of the billionaires in the world are American. A frikin' Mexican is the richest dude in the world. No wonder the tea baggers have their tena supers all wadded up."

Shrink, I posted my response on last night's "The Thread after the one in which Filmonia demands Republicans become victims of Genocide." and while I did say that perhaps I don't understand what the middle class is, I more importantly pointed out the a large middle class is not necessary for a "vibrant economy". I'm thinking your agitation here is related to my not displaying the proper amount of "love" for the middle class? Help me here. Anybody who knows me, knows that I think the middle class goes to 11.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 10, 2011 10:24 PM | Report abuse

""Anybody who knows me, knows that I think the middle class goes to 11.""

Can I butt in and ask what this means?

Posted by: lmsinca | March 10, 2011 10:28 PM | Report abuse

This is the era of the American Imperial Presidency. When the next Republican candidate to win is having relations with the partner of his or her choice in the Master Bedroom of the White House, then Republicans will have power in this country. The Bush Presidency has an historical record. Now the Obama Presidency is leaving its mark.

Republicans took a shellacking in 2008, I can see some cheer, maybe a bit of bravura now, but seriously, the lower House of Congress is a place where people work their effort toward or against the Senate and the White House.

Republicans and Democrats should focus and concentrate their political energy on 2016. That will be a real contest.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2011 10:32 PM | Report abuse

"Can I butt in and ask what this means?"


Hi Imsinca!

It is a sweet, sweet reference to a line uttered by Nigel Tufnel in the movie Spinal Tap.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 10, 2011 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I thought this was interesting and I found out we are the third largest oil producing country a couple of weeks ago behind Russia and Saudi Arabia. I'm sure we'll hear the "drill baby drill" crowd soon though, as if we're not already.

""Since this administration has taken over, they have done everything to block energy development in this country," Hastings said.

Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, who may challenge the president next year, suggested that Obama is quietly cheering for even higher prices at the pump.

"The Obama energy policy to me seems very clear. It's to increase the cost of energy so Americans will use less of it," Barbour said at a conference organized by the Wall Street Journal. "When you shut in the Gulf of Mexico, and American domestic oil production goes down, to me that is bad policy for our country."

But White House spokesman Jay Carney said there's one problem with this line of argument: Domestic oil production last year rose to its highest level since 2003.

According to the federal government's Energy Information Administration, U.S. oil production jumped nearly 3 percent last year, while oil imports fell. While the administration did suspend some Western drilling leases near national parks early on, the administration argues that oil producers still have 41 million acres in which to drill.

"Where it makes sense to lease, we're leasing with abandon as we work closely with the oil and gas industry," said Deputy Interior Secretary David Hayes. "And the production numbers are demonstrating that.""

Posted by: lmsinca | March 10, 2011 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of elections........

""Jon Huntsman has the demon sheep ad maker, so expect a lot of over the top, three minute video ads over the next year while Huntsman is still in the race.

The former Utah governor's resignation from Beijing takes effect in April and he might launch a campaign from his new Washington-area home in May. If he does, Huntsman has veterans of presidential campaigns ready to help craft his message, including veteran Hollywood-based ad maker Fred Davis.""

Posted by: lmsinca | March 10, 2011 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Thanks McWing, I knew it sounded familiar.

Posted by: lmsinca | March 10, 2011 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Ims, perfect, Republicans getting ready to torch each other, all convinced that the one who survives trial by tire fire defeats Obama in a shoo-in.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2011 10:46 PM | Report abuse

shrink, yeah it's a lot more fun than watching the economic news. I saw that demon sheep ad so many times here that I can even see it with my eyes open.

Posted by: lmsinca | March 10, 2011 10:49 PM | Report abuse

"Republicans and Democrats should focus and concentrate their political energy on 2016. That will be a real contest.

Posted by: shrink2 "

Assuming the demographics of today. More likely, Texas becomes competitive in 2016.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 10, 2011 10:51 PM | Report abuse

"so many times"

The problem with the 'free market' is that apart from sex and water and sex and food...demand can be created or demand can be stifled, or demand can appear and disappear without anyone having made it do that. Adam Smith, Karl Marx, they had no idea about semiotics, to say nothing of viral semiotics. Social marketing is changing everything.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2011 10:59 PM | Report abuse

"Ims, perfect, Republicans getting ready to torch each other, all convinced that the one who survives trial by tire fire defeats Obama in a shoo-in."

Hi shrink! Where's your evidence any of those running or thinking of running for President as a Republican think it's a "shoo-in?". My intellignece is sub-par, on my best day ever, and I'm 90% certain that Barry wins.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 10, 2011 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Troll, if you had ever been around anyone running for office, or had ever worked closely with an elected running for re-election you wouldn't have to ask that question. If you don't believe in your candidacy as obvious, you would never do it.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2011 11:04 PM | Report abuse

"Troll, if you had ever been around anyone running for office, or had ever worked closely with an elected running for re-election you wouldn't have to ask that question. If you don't believe in your candidacy as obvious, you would never do it."

Thanks for your comments shrink! I have been around people running for office (was even related to one) as well as some running for re-election. Suffice it to say, we'll agree to disagree. ;-)

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 10, 2011 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Should have added, that, for example, Tommy Thompson, Ron Paul and Al Sharpton knew they would not win. It can be a nice paying and pleasant gig.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 10, 2011 11:19 PM | Report abuse

eewww, you worked for people who knew they couldn't win?
Really? Just doing it for the money. I've heard about that, I am not a babe, nor even a baby in the woods. But that is coming strong here saying you are related to someone who just did it for the money. Not eewww, I guess kudos are in order, you are like Al Sharpton, in the good way you are talking about.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2011 11:44 PM | Report abuse

"eewww, you worked for people who knew they couldn't win?
Really? Just doing it for the money. I've heard about that, I am not a babe, nor even a baby in the woods. But that is coming strong here saying you are related to someone who just did it for the money. Not eewww, I guess kudos are in order, you are like Al Sharpton, in the good way you are talking about."

Shrink, I was doing a drug-rep thing at group shrink office in Tucson one time when, in the process of asking a question, I referred to a shrink's patients as "clients." He stopped me and said, "Son, only hookers and lawyers have clients." Never forgot that lesson.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 11, 2011 12:11 AM | Report abuse

"Republicans and Democrats should focus and concentrate their political energy on 2016. That will be a real contest.

Posted by: shrink2 "

Assuming the demographics of today. More likely, Texas becomes competitive in 2016.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 10, 2011 10:51 PM
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The liberal talking points around here are so contradictory and flip back and forth so often, I'm surprised they don't all have nosebleeds. One minute, the country is going down the tubes, the middleclass is disappearing, and the future holds nothing but pain and serfdom, all thanks to the stupid voters (koch suckers) and oligarchs; next minute, the country's changing demographics and the fact that old people and racists eventually die (who'd have ever thought?) guarantees, within a generation, the extinction of the Republican party, the disappearance of conservatives, and a wonderful liberal world of halcyon glory. Just you wait until the NEXT election! Go figure.

Posted by: Brigade | March 11, 2011 6:47 AM | Report abuse

"The White House closely watched the hearings today out of nervousness that King's show trial could alienate the Arab world at a particularly sensitive moment for Mideast diplomacy."

It has probably been noticed in the Muslim world that our focus has not been on their courageous struggle for freedom and democracy, but on continued demonization of them. King is a cretin.

Posted by: rhallnj | March 11, 2011 7:09 AM | Report abuse

rhallnj:

""It has probably been noticed in the Muslim world that our focus has not been on their courageous struggle for freedom and democracy, but on continued demonization of them.""

No doubt. Surely the people of Libya, Egypt et al took time off from their struggle for freedom to get up-to-date on what Pete King is up to. Important things first, after all.

Posted by: ScottC3 | March 11, 2011 7:26 AM | Report abuse

"Its funny that somehow the repiglicans regularly castigate "government bureaucrats", but want them to have absolute and arbitrary control over the workers they supervise...go figure..."

Repiglicans, huh? Government employee unions and their dimocrat coconspirators are hogs at the trough trying to preserve their system of corruption and entitlement at the expense of the public, especially the "middle class." They've been at war against the rest of us for 50 years.

What's "funny" is that the left preaches the gospel that government is how we advance the collective good, is the answer to all our problems, etc., but then turn around and cry that civilization will end if employees of government don't have collective bargaining "rights," which means in reality a legally enforced monopoly on work for the government. You also tell us that the public is overwhelmingly in favor of unions and public employees . . . even though the more truth there is to that claim the less point there is to government employee unions, seeing how they work for a sympathetic public that wants them to have all the best pay and benefits and work rules.

Your belief system is a hash of contradictions, thrown together to justify the demands of various entitlement classes against the rest of us.

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 11, 2011 8:12 AM | Report abuse

I've got Ohio State and Pitt in the Final Four. I do not think there is another team that can make it to the FF without a huge dollop of bon chance!

When I see the seeds, I will have a better idea. These two can play any style of opponent. NC and Duke fade against real muscle, Kansas is susceptible to fast disciplined guards on a team with enough bigs to be respectable. Barely beat OK St. last night.

And yes, I know UConn beat Pitt. If the seeds allow it, we might see OH St. and three Big East teams in the FF.

Texas? Favorable draw would help. I do not think UT can consistently beat a muscle team with guards who can control the ball and shoot the three. The entire Big East fits that description.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 11, 2011 8:25 AM | Report abuse

""It has probably been noticed in the Muslim world that our focus has not been on their courageous struggle for freedom and democracy, but on continued demonization of them.""

Which part of the "Muslim world" would that be, I wonder. The Muslim Brotherhood, AQ, the entire network of Islamist fanatics and clerics and sympathetic regimes who are at low-intensity war with us? Al Jazeera? No?

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 11, 2011 8:30 AM | Report abuse

All, Morning Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/03/the_morning_plum_204.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | March 11, 2011 8:32 AM | Report abuse

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