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Posted at 11:10 AM ET, 03/ 1/2011

Poll: Scott Walker losing P.R. battle

By Greg Sargent

The Dem-leaning firm Public Policy Polling releases its full poll out of Wisconsin, and the numbers are striking. Fifty-one percent of voters side with the unions, and 52 percent side with Wisconsin senate Dems. Meanwhile, 47 percent back Governor Scott Walker.

On the core question, Wisconsinites strongly back the right of public employee unions to collectively bargain, 57-37. And voters are divided on whether they would support a recall of Walker, 48-48, with slightly more independents say they'd support recalling him.

But this nugget may be the most interesting of them all. Non-union households are backing the unions, too:

Union households support collective bargaining by a 70/26 margin, but non-union households do as well by a narrower 51/42 margin. Union households think public employees should have as many or more rights than they do now by a 66/32 spread, but so do non-union households by a 51/45 one.

Again, this is a Dem-leaning firm. But these results are mirrored in national non-partisan polls, which have found broad support across party and income lines for public employee unions.

Walker still may win in the end -- after all, Republicans control the governorship and state legislature -- and governors like Chris Christie may still feel comfortable proceeding with less-onerous anti-union proposals. But the landscape has shifted in an unexpected way -- one that is already giving pause to those governors who might have been tempted to emulate Walker's extremism. His overreach has gotten non-union Americans to ask themselves whether they think public employee unions have a fundamental right to exist and to collectively bargain in their own interests, and Americans have answered: Yes.

By Greg Sargent  | March 1, 2011; 11:10 AM ET
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If what the early reports on the Walker budget that will be released later today are true, he could be headed into even deeper shite territory with voters.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 1, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

The Dem-leaning firm Public Policy Polling


What's next a Poll from Moveon.org?

Posted by: CarolinaMike | March 1, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

RECALL or RESIGN!

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 1, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Any comments on the criticism of these polls that they are over-sampling union households and under-representing Walker voters? and the margin of error is 3.5% -- that seems high.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | March 1, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Another brilliant insight from the money supply guy...

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said on Tuesday that future mortgage costs likely will be "modestly higher" after reforms are completed to the national housing finance system.

Testifying before the House Financial Services Committee, Geithner said it will take some years to complete an overhaul of the system and to wind down Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac but said it was important for lawmakers to begin the effort.

Geithner said housing markets were "still in a very difficult state" and cautioned that the administration and lawmakers must be careful not to jeopardize a broader economic recovery while dealing with housing finance reform.

Still in a very difficult state eh? Well at least the banks aren't (except for the multiB lawsuits they are going to have to settle, per the business pages today), thanks to the $600B in zero interest loans the fed is borrowing from future taxpayers.

A difficult state...so interest on savings is zero, COLAS are disappearing, the unemployment rate is now being called "natural", while retail loans, mortgages, energy and commodity prices increase...This isn't working.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 1, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I have gone back and forth over this issue. My initial reaction was that there is something undemocratic about prohibiting a group to organize for any purpose, as long as their purpose is not to violate the law. Then, I was somewhat persuaded by the argument that it is unfair to allow a group to spend money to elect the same officials they would then be negotiating with, and I started to think, hey, maybe these guys (and gals) shouldn't be allowed to both collectively bargain and work to elect the "other side of the negotiations table," and that they should have to choose one means of influence or the other, but not both. Now, I'm sort of back where I started, and what got me here is thinking about the fact that private sector employees who choose to join unions are also able to participate in the selection of the leaders they will negotiate against by becoming shareholders. So, that's where I'm at, for now...

I don't think public sector unions should be able to require all public sector employees in a given field to contribute dues, but that's a different issue.

Posted by: mobrien83 | March 1, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse

"Any comments on the criticism of these polls that they are over-sampling union households and under-representing Walker voters?"

Do you have any evidence of this?

On a more sarcastic note, did you ask the same question about the Rasmussen poll? ;)

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 1, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

walker has been pranked, spanked and now maybe recalled. he ought to just resign.

Posted by: calif-joe | March 1, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone checked in yet to see if Union Membership is on the rise? It seems that quite a few working Americans are waking up and realizing who represents their interests and who is a threat to their way of life.

Posted by: bcinaz | March 1, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

As soon as the serious recall effort starts I'll send a donation. He is the poster child for why PROGRSSIVES in places like Wisconsin, once known as " the labrotory of democracy" created recall in the first place/.

Posted by: John1263 | March 1, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I believe what we're seeing is a middle class fed up with the shift in wealth upward. Maybe the only thing standing between us and a race to the bottom are the unions and even non-union young people and others who appreciate the job our teachers, firefighters, cops, and other public employees perform. I think we're looking for a shift from trickle down economics to something that rebuilds the middle class and the polls reflect that hope. Couple this with the prospect of so many jobs being lost through the defunding and elimination of so many programs that both benefit and employ the middle class, we may be on the verge of a newly awakened voting public. Young people stayed home in the last election, maybe they'll get out the vote in 2012. Obama and company better be paying attention, I think they've caught the attention of Republicans and they seem to be getting a little nervous to me.

Posted by: lmsinca | March 1, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

We are all Wisconsin so what is happening there as we speak? Is there a media black out?

Posted by: zorro2 | March 1, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

If your industry is not unionized - get your head out of the sand, get your nose out of the bosses behind, get your feet on the pavement, and join together to get what is rightly yours. Why should the boss yacht around the Carribean with the fruits of your labor? Why should you eat dog food in retirement while the boss eats caviar?

Posted by: John1263 | March 1, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Last time I checked, this isn't the way elections are held.

The liberal media has run amuck in its mischaracterization of this issue.

Posted by: postfan1 | March 1, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Odd, Wisconsin law does not allow a recall until after the elected official has been in office for a year.

Personally I'd go after the guy that yelld "you are f***ing going to die" to other legislatures on the floor, or the one that threw the water bottle.

But apparently that is the proper way to conduct government business now.

Posted by: win1 | March 1, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

@ ronnie -- from last thread re: DOD no argument here. loads of waste at DOD and it's entirely political. see the debacle over the next airborne refueling tanker. i was just nothing that i don't think it was profiteering that scuttled the unified military command. it's not like there were going to start closing facilities. but you'd probably lose a flag officer or two -- and their staffs -- plus the standard inter-service squabbles. is that pork? maybe having a flag officer in your district is.

Re: the polls -- anything with 3.5% MOE is suspect. also it seems to be acknowledged as a flaw on the full poll results: "PPP surveyed 768 Wisconsin voters from February 24th to 27th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-3.5%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify"


Posted by: NoVAHockey | March 1, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

If your industry is not unionized - get your head out of the sand, get your nose out of the bosses behind, get your feet on the pavement, and join together to get what is rightly yours. Why should the boss yacht around the Carribean with the fruits of your labor? Why should you eat dog food in retirement while the boss eats caviar?

Posted by: John1263

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Yea, it's so much better to send the union bosses to the Caribbean.

Posted by: postfan1 | March 1, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

A 3.5^ margin of error is normal for most polling. Then again, Republicans don't let facts get in the way of their ideology, do they?

Scott Walker is demonstrating that he is nothing but a radical rightwing thug. I'm surprised he and his minions haven't started wearing brown shirts like their role models from 1920s Germany.

Be very afraid, America.

Posted by: dl49 | March 1, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

What a joke - a poll by Democrats say the State Residents love Democrats....do they really think we are that stupid?

Posted by: Realist201 | March 1, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

If he's recalled the Koch brothers will just move on to the next college-dropout fool they can use to increase their wealth at public expense.

Posted by: hairguy01 | March 1, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Keep over-reaching, baggers, and you will get your A $ $ es handed to you in 2012.
Pick Sarah Palin or Newt Gingrich to be your candidate, and watch the bagger party fade into oblivion.....

Posted by: jeffc6578 | March 1, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I would not be surprised if the wording of this poll was very biased towards union supporters. I personally think that the unions are too busy telling the American taxpayers "We got ours, the heck with the rest of you." We have to live within our means...and the taxpayers are fed up with unions always wanting more...more...and still more.

Posted by: honorswar26 | March 1, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

anything with 3.5% MOE is suspect. also it seems to be acknowledged as a flaw on the full poll results: "PPP surveyed 768 Wisconsin voters from February 24th to 27th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-3.5%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify
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I'm curious why you say that 3.5% MOE is suspect. There are hundreds of polls with that MOE and larger. Doesn't that just mean that the actual result lies within +/- 3.5% (or whatever the MOE is). Had the sample size gone up, the MOE would have come down. At least, that's how it worked when I took stat in college.

The language of "refusal to be interviewed, etc"--isn't that just boilerplate language on every poll. Do you think that is some kind of special admission on just this poll?

It is true, however, that a single poll can be an outlier which is not backed by other polls. This poll comes in after at least two others, all of whom back each other. I understand from pollster.com that there are maybe 5-10 polls coming soon on the Wisconsin union questions, so we won't have to wait long to see if four and five polls all back each other.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | March 1, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

@NoVA

re: military contracting, it's pork if it's unnecessary and/or wasteful. the point is the irony of the republican agenda of crying about deficits and debt that they did nothing to prevent.

re: this poll, I am interested to know the sampling of these polls. but again, I find it interesting the unwavering credence the right habitually gives to a right wing pollster like rasmussen, and yet some of the first comments on a dem-leaning pollster are to the poll's validity. not to mention, that you have people on the earlier thread suggesting that they don't subscribe to these topic-related polls... the same people who used early polling of PPACA to base their political campaign of "repeal and replace".

The larger point is the wholly disingenuous of the GOP's 2010 campaign, which obviously has NOTHING to do with creating jobs, encouraging economic growth, replacing PPACA with a viable alternative, or even reducing the debt/deficit in a serious manner.

It's the disingenuous nature of the GOP agenda that really gets me. If they were about solving serious problems and we disagreed on policy, that would be one thing. But as it stands now, it is obvious that they have no intention of acting in a serious manner. They are consumed with smacking Democrats as their ideological opposition and preventing Obama from getting any political wins. That is what drives them and it does nothing but actively undermine the country in which we all live.

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 1, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Scott - CALL OUT THE WISC. NATIONAL GUARD! Clear the capital of these UNION THUGS! Arrest them and jail them under the Patriot Act as terrorist! Don't let these Commie/Socialists win! They are destroying the country. Let's take America BACK!

Posted by: kparc1212 | March 1, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Of course the Dems are going berzerk.

Walker threatens to stop government automatically collecting union dues.

In other words, the Democrat's cash machine.

When Indiana governor Mitch Daniels ended collective bargaining and the automatic collection of dues in 2005, the number of members paying dues plummeted by roughly 90 percent.

In 2007, New York City’s Transit Authority briefly stopped automatically collecting dues for the Transport Workers Union, and dues fell off by more than a third.

Why?

Because union members finally had a chance to express how much they hate the way their unions are run.

Federal unionized employees cannot collectively bargain for salary or benefits.

Guess who took collective bargaining away from them?

That right-wing, Nazi, union-buster named Jimmy Carter.

Posted by: buddy2105 | March 1, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Here's the ultimate problem for Walker--and the reason why other governors haven't followed his lead: Almost everyone knows a public employee. A schoolteacher. A state highway guy. A clerk at the Dept. of Motor Vehicles. They aren't faceless bureaucrats. They are someone's brother, or next door neighbor, or bowling team member. That's what's causing this shift in public opinion, and it's going to keep shifting. (For the record, I'm not a public employee or union member. Never have been.)

Posted by: jhpurdy | March 1, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"Scott Walker is demonstrating that he is nothing but a radical rightwing thug. I'm surprised he and his minions haven't started wearing brown shirts like their role models from 1920s Germany."

Karl Rove's MO is straight out of Germany in the 20s and 30s. First, suck up to large corporations, then scapegoat people, be they gay, illegal immigrants, or public employee union members as the cause for all the problems, and then, when they have the union on the ropes, do everything you can to permanently kneecap them. The Right is on a journey to take us to being a Second World also ran. There is probably going to be violence in the streets before Nov. 2012, most likely instigated by our domestic brown shirts - the Tea Party thugs.

Posted by: filmnoia | March 1, 2011 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Such a recall would amount to handing over control of your finances to a Mexican drug lord. If the public employee unions were actually able to defeat, not just defeat, unseat, a fiscally responsible politician, they would raid the public treasery in a series of bold moves that would make what Wall Street did with their bailout look tame. They would raise taxes on people, cripple small businesses, utterly destroy the private sector economy, in about 15 minutes. Look, those public employees filled out the paperwork for H1-B and other guest worker visas, they processed all of the paperwork allowing for the outsourcing of millons of jobs, and they sat by fat dumb and happy while the US economy was dismantled and shipped off to China. Public employees are THE ENEMY.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | March 1, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe Walker is interested in P. R. Wisconsinites, in their collective wisdom, elected him into office a couple of months ago. This is about power politics. It is in your face "elections have consequences" politics. It is a glaring example of what happens when (1) voters do not do their due diligence and (2) do not vote and (3) vote against their own interests, because--from an historical point of view--Walker does not seem to be a Wisconsin-type governor....

Posted by: dozas | March 1, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

The Left sees their cash machine and political power theratened.

Hence, the unhinged hate spewing you see on TV every night.

"Walker - Hitler" signs.

Yeah, that's the new civility they lectured us all about a month ago.

Warning how strong political speech could lead to violence.

But that just applies to speech by conservatives.

The Left can spew whatever hatred and venom they want.

Posted by: buddy2105 | March 1, 2011 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Now for sure he will release GOONS into the crowds if they ask for his resignation or try to recall him!

Posted by: kishorgala | March 1, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

"They are consumed with smacking Democrats as their ideological opposition and preventing Obama from getting any political wins. That is what drives them and it does nothing but actively undermine the country in which we all live."

At the level of national politics, no honest observer would dispute this, but part of the problem is structural. They can't actually do anything positive if they don't either get the executive or both houses of Congress. And if all they do is talk positive, the 'confidence' happy talk engenders would accrue to the Democrats when the "are you better off" question arises.

Now at the state and local level in places where they have considerable authority, the Republicans are pushing an actual agenda and it isn't about smacking Democrats, unless one is willing to acknowledge public employees, the poor (Medicaid beneficiaries), etc. to be Democratic Party institutions.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 1, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I have one gripe with the poll. The question about supporting collective bargaining rights - no one is suggesting taking away all collective bargaining rights for the public workers. So you are voting against something that hasn't been proposed.

It also is interesting that the vast majority support either keeping rights the same or lowering them somewhat, which is what is being proposed.

I would like to see a poll which asks the following questions:

1) Do you support unlimited collective bargaining rights for public service unions or should there be some restrictions?

2) Should public service unions have colletctive bargaining rights for
(a) both benefits and wages
(b) benefits, but not wages
(c) wages, but not benefits
(d) neither wages nor benefits

3) Should the state have responsibility for collecting union dues or should the union have responsibility?

IMO, these questions would take a more accurate temperature of what is really happening and what is being proposed.

Maybe there has been a poll that has asked these questions, but I haven't seen it yet.

Posted by: sold2u | March 1, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Come on Greg Sargent. We know you support the Unions, but at least cite a poll that isn't totally poltically motivated.

Posted by: moebius22 | March 1, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Now for sure he will release GOONS into the crowds if they ask for his resignation or try to recall him!

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The Left wing hate spewing, ranting GOONS are the crowd.

How soon before one mentally unstable individual starts shooting because of that.

Posted by: buddy2105 | March 1, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

".and the taxpayers are fed up with unions always wanting more...more...and still more."

This is exactly the kind of comment that makes one wonder WTF information some losers are digesting.

Not more, more, more..in case you live in a cave and haven't kept up...the union gave Walker all the concessions he asked for in terms of $$$...they're just not willing to commit suicide as a living, viable organization at his request.

Jeebus could some of you at least try to master some facts before spouting such ideological BS?

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 1, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

The only person who should be recalled is Greg Sargent, who is a shameless propagandist for the Democrats.

Posted by: Benson | March 1, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Man, who opened the Gate to Knownothingville so soon?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | March 1, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

"I'm curious why you say that 3.5% MOE is suspect. There are hundreds of polls with that MOE and larger. Doesn't that just mean that the actual result lies within +/- 3.5% (or whatever the MOE is). Had the sample size gone up, the MOE would have come down. At least, that's how it worked when I took stat in college."

Stats class -- IIRC, the prof said throw out anything above 3%. it might have actually been lower. and you're right that there are hundreds of polls with larger MOE from left, right and everywhere in between polling firms. they're the same ... equally worthless.

increasing the the sample size would have corrected the problem. i think that the "refused" is boilerplate .. the problem is they didn't address it by increasing the sample size or noting how many refused. i should have clarified that my criticism isn't unique to this particular poll.

@ Ronnie -- I guess I'm just don't notice anymore when politicians put their electoral prospects above everything else. I don't think this is unique to the GOP and I think it's why most people don't follow politics. I just watched a hearing on Medicaid and health reform. what a joke. there were maybe 2 serious and thoughtful questions in a 3 hour hearing. the rest was just each sides talking points rehashed.

the right criticizing a poll that is unflattering is no different. it's an attempt to frame the debate and "win" the talking points of the day.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | March 1, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

"The Left wing hate spewing, ranting GOONS are the crowd.

How soon before one mentally unstable individual starts shooting because of that."

Again ignorance from the right continues!
This crowd has been exemplary in it's behavior and in particular for it's lack of violence. I haven't seen any signs that said "We came unarmed..this time"..remember those righties? I haven't seen any demonstrators packing heat and then bragging about it being locked and loaded...NO that's a right wing speciality.

And when confronted by a few thousand TPers the other day again the crowd refused to turn violent.

I feel sorry for you uninformed right wingers...you live in a fantasy world of hate!

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 1, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Both NYT and Pew Research polls also correlate this event!

This is not looking good for Scott Walker and other Republican Governors who set sail on a compass-less ship full of Tea Party clowns on a voyage to nowhere and now stranded on a reef in shark infested waters.

Way to go Teabaggers!

Walker will become the second governor to be recalled since David in California…

Posted by: Citi______Street | March 1, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Reading some of these liberal comments really gives you an idea of what an irrational and unhinged group of people they are. There clearly is a major conflict of interest when public sector unions are negotiating with elected officials that rely on the unions for campaign donations to stay in power. It's ridiculous for taxpayers to have to allow that kickback scheme to go on. Thank god I don't live in Wisconsin.

Posted by: peterg73 | March 1, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

All, the new ad from the Republican Governors Association backing up Scott Walker is based on a total distortion of events in Wisconsin:

http://wapo.st/fnEEY1

Posted by: Greg Sargent | March 1, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"They would raise taxes on people, cripple small businesses, utterly destroy the private sector economy, in about 15 minutes."

There should be a rule here that people can't post while they have one hand between their legs and listening to Limbaugh.

Posted by: filmnoia | March 1, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"Man, who opened the Gate to Knownothingville so soon?"

Mike...apparently Greg got linked to one of the righty websites and we have seen this all before haven't we...a sudden invasion of morons spewing ignorant talking points.

BTW Benson...in case you can't figure it out...this is a progressive blog!!! You can always trot over to redstate or drudge to get your kool aid.

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 1, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Governor Walker is a dictator and his Tea Party Republican regime are out to destroy our freedom and decades of policies to help the average hard working American.

Recall the Walker and his Tea Party cronies out to line the pockets of there rich friends and take from the poor and middle class hard working Americans.

Republican's 2012 Bumper Sticker Campaign Slogan.
Vote! "Screw America and Give it All to the Rich!"
or
Vote! "Take from the poor and give more to the rich!"

Posted by: KBrustmeyer2003 | March 1, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Bye-bye Scotty-poo.

Posted by: Glimpy | March 1, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

The only ones who haven't made enormous sacrifices are the rich, how come the GOP isn't going after them?

What a sick, sick country we have become.

They came after my private manufactur­ing union job in 1987 because we kept business from making a buck.

In 1995 they came after my city's public hospital union nursing job because we made too much.

And now they are going after my state union job because I'm still greedy after all these years.

Yet in all those years the ony incomes that rose 400% in that time were the CEOs and upper management­. All we hear is that they are the special ones that give us our jobs... they never told us that we'd have to go overseas to work at them. Or that we'd be forced to sacrifice what we rightfully won, so that they can line their pockets.

As for me, I now have 3 different pensions, one from 12 years, another from 9 years and my last of 12 years. Added together it amounts to a pittance of what I should've made.

And to add insult to injury they are even chomping at the bit to destroy Social Security. What a message to send to the American worker, we make you poor to keep us rich.

Posted by: AverageJane | March 1, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Kick his Koch sucking behind out!

Posted by: LABC | March 1, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: A-Voter | March 1, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

RUK, you hangin' on this thread?

-Senators Joyner, Altman sue Rick Scott over bullet train today-

Two senators, Democrat Arthenia Joyner and Republican Thad Altman, are filing a lawsuit today to stop Gov. Rick Scott from killing high-speed rail. The two were spotted at the Florida Supreme Court.

Altman has scheduled a news conference for later today in the Capitol. Neither is answering his/her phone.

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/content/senators-joyner-altman-sue-rick-scott-over-bullet-train-today

Aw yeah! Grab your popcorn, it's gonna be a bumpy ride for Mr. Clean.

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 1, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Walker was attempting to deliver this bust to celebrate the birthday of Ronald Reagan which would raise his political standing with the corporate party. THANKS TO THE MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE FIGHTING GOV. WALKER.

Posted by: b0yd | March 1, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse


The ones more likely to be recalled are the 14 craven Dim cowards who have run from their duties.

Thursday, February 24, 2011

Half of America’s voters favor public sector unions for government workers, but they strongly oppose the tactic by Wisconsin state senators to flee their state to prevent a vote that would limit the rights of such unions.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that only 25% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of this tactic, while 67% disapprove. State legislators in Indiana have used the same approach to avoid a vote in their state.

Posted by: screwjob25 | March 1, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse


Dims, the party of No Show.

Posted by: screwjob25 | March 1, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Wisconsin courts have found that Walker, in his prior job, illegally cooked up a fake budget crisis to justify firing all courthouse security personnel and replacing them with private Wackenhut guards.

Posted by: fmjk | March 1, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

One would assume that there is little chance for a recall especially if the best that a "Democratic Leaning Poll" can come up with is a 48-48 split.

Reasonable people are not going to vote to recall any elected official and put their government system through such a painful process with numbers like this.

Plus, I thought that a Wisconsin recall effort couldn't begin until the governor had been in office for a year. That is almost ten months away.

What is the point of this column and this polls? If Wisconsin voters want Walker out, they're just going to have to wait.

I guess he could be impeached. Where would the votes in the Wisconsin Legislature come from for this?

I hope that everyone that is so upset with Governor Walker voted in the last election. Because if they didn't, maybe they will learn from this that elections do matter.

Posted by: mcljch | March 1, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Wow the Post and all the Progressive-Socialist are pulling out the plug to day to manufacture opposition to Walker - interestingly on the day Walker is delivering the budget and the last day the runaway Dems could reture for the vote to save the State millions. Instead, Walker will now have to terminate thousands more of Wisconsin public seervice workers. Let the Dems hiding out in Illinois and the Public Unions explain that one ot the thousands of newly terminated workers.....this should be godd for even more GOP seats in the Wiconsin Assembley and Senate next election cycle!

Posted by: Realist201 | March 1, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Wow the Post and all the Progressive-Socialist are pulling out the plug to day to manufacture opposition to Walker - interestingly on the day Walker is delivering the budget and the last day the runaway Dems could reture for the vote to save the State millions. Instead, Walker will now have to terminate thousands more of Wisconsin public seervice workers. Let the Dems hiding out in Illinois and the Public Unions explain that one ot the thousands of newly terminated workers.....this should be godd for even more GOP seats in the Wiconsin Assembley and Senate next election cycle!

Posted by: Realist201 | March 1, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Walker needs to hang in there..Public sector unions are lazy and selfish and corrupt the politcal system...

Nobody begged these bums to work for the government and mooch off the taxpayers.

Posted by: oceancitybum | March 1, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Even worse than the public employees union fiasco is Walker's plans to sell off public utilities to whomever he chooses at whatever price he deems fair.

Koch brothers have said they don't plan to buy them. Of course they don't. They plan to take over the management of them. They will reap the profits and stick the taxpayers with the repair and maintenance bills.

Once the taxpayers of Wisconsin figure out just how corrupt a corporate clown this jerk is, he will be gone.

Posted by: basket | March 1, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

What a sweet turn of events the recall of Walker would be! Please Wisconsin, step up to the plate and pull the rug out from under this union buster.

Posted by: Lefty_ | March 1, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

-Ex-Goldman director charged with insider trading-

Federal regulators have charged a former Goldman Sachs board member with insider trading, saying he provided confidential information to the central figure in a major hedge fund probe.

The Securities and Exchange Commission announced civil charges against Rajat Gupta on Tuesday. The agency said Gupta gave Raj Rajaratnam, founder of the Galleon Group hedge fund, confidential information about quarterly earnings of Goldman (GS)and Proctor & Gamble (PG), where he is a board member. The SEC said he also provided confidential information about Berkshire Hathaway's planned $5 billion investment in Goldman to Rajaratnam.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/brokerage/2011-03-01-goldman-gupta-insider-trading_N.htm

See what the SEC can do when it's not run by Republicans?

See the importance in having FEDERAL REGULATORS of the corrupt finance industry?

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 1, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Now for sure he will release GOONS into the crowds if they ask for his resignation or try to recall him!

Posted by: kishorgala | March 1, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Talk about overreaching. Regardless of the recall question, the people of Wisconsin will think long and hard before voting in another Republican governor.

Posted by: Lefty_ | March 1, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I'd say recall him. He has delusions of grandeur. He thinks he is Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | March 1, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse


Governor Walker should arrest the craven Dim state senators who fled the state, and drag them back to the state Capitol building in chains.

If the 14 senators cannot be located, Walker should declare them missing persons and call for special elections to replace them.

By their own actions these 14 cowardly Dims have abandoned their posts.

Posted by: screwjob25 | March 1, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Definitely a wake-up call to Republicans/Teabaggers that these dictatorial/corporate controlled Republican Governors who are more interested in union-busting than their states' fiscal problems are not backed by the public -- even those who voted for them.

Posted by: lyndee1 | March 1, 2011 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Governor Walker should arrest the craven Dim state senators who fled the state, and drag them back to the state Capitol building in chains.
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With ideas like yours, I don't know why Walker doesn't name you political advisor. Would you also have German Shepherds snarling at their heels, while they are frogmarched in front of the cameras?

Bwahahaha!!!

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | March 1, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kparc1212:
Scott - CALL OUT THE WISC. NATIONAL GUARD! Clear the capital of these UNION THUGS! Arrest them and jail them under the Patriot Act as terrorist! Don't let these Commie/Socialists win! They are destroying the country. Let's take America BACK!
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There you have it. People protest in peace and the baggers want to bring out the troops to squash their natural-born rights. These people hate the very idea of America.

Posted by: rramos01 | March 1, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Walker chose to meander on the low road and is now lost. The low road is a scary place. Rebukes, recalls, and rejections by former friends all await him and his elk. Plus there are ditches and land mines on the low road he chose to take. What he gets he deserves.

Posted by: cougartonyusa | March 1, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Walker recall? Good luck getting 550,000 people to sign the recall petitions. Not gonna happen.

From the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

"For either side planning recall campaigns, the threshold for signatures is very high in Wisconsin (25% of the number of people who voted in the last gubernatorial election). And no recalls can occur before a year has passed from the time the targeted official was elected."

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/allpolitics.html

Posted by: frankb1 | March 1, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Sold2U is right, not all the collective bargaining rights are being taken away, the unions can still negotiate wages all the way up the CPI!

I can just hear Walker asking the adoring throng "Am I not merciful?"

Posted by: ashotinthedark | March 1, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Of course the Dems are going berzerk.

Walker threatens to stop government automatically collecting union dues.

In other words, the Democrat's cash machine.

When Indiana governor Mitch Daniels ended collective bargaining and the automatic collection of dues in 2005, the number of members paying dues plummeted by roughly 90 percent.

In 2007, New York City’s Transit Authority briefly stopped automatically collecting dues for the Transport Workers Union, and dues fell off by more than a third.

Why?

Because union members finally had a chance to express how much they hate the way their unions are run.

Federal unionized employees cannot collectively bargain for salary or benefits.

Guess who took collective bargaining away from them?

That right-wing, Nazi, union-buster named Jimmy Carter.

Posted by: buddy2105 | March 1, 2011 12:02 PM
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Your last claim just exposes you for the liar or complete ignoramous that you are - Federal employees have NEVER had the right to bargain over salaries or benefits.

Posted by: luridone | March 1, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

People are in support of the workers and democrats because republicans are in the pockets of corps. Workers rights are not to be dimissed without regards to the effect on nation. Walker is dangerous and he is using the difficult time we are in to dilude your rights. Do not fall prey to those who seek to destroy you with their propaganda. United we stand and divided we fall and who do you think benefits if the unions fall, you? Wrong, not you because the powers that be want to ratify your rights as a person. Soon your rights will be limited if walker wins and it will be to late to get them back once you realize what you lost.

Posted by: Realistic5 | March 1, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I know the guy. Complete lightweight; and, he never finished college. Shame on Wisconsin for electing him without reading the full brochure.

Posted by: johnkomalley | March 1, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Such a recall would amount to handing over control of your finances to a Mexican drug lord. If the public employee unions were actually able to defeat, not just defeat, unseat, a fiscally responsible politician, they would raid the public treasery in a series of bold moves that would make what Wall Street did with their bailout look tame. They would raise taxes on people, cripple small businesses, utterly destroy the private sector economy, in about 15 minutes. Look, those public employees filled out the paperwork for H1-B and other guest worker visas, they processed all of the paperwork allowing for the outsourcing of millons of jobs, and they sat by fat dumb and happy while the US economy was dismantled and shipped off to China. Public employees are THE ENEMY.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | March 1, 2011 12:04 PM
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I'm trying to decide if you're really as stupid as this sounds, or completely insane.

H1-B visas are handled by the Federal govt. State employees have nothing to do with them. The corporations who outsourced all those jobs needed no paperwork from the government - they just shut down the factories and plants here and opened up new ones in ultra-low-wage countries, without ANY help from any government employees - Federal or state. And they sat by helplessly as the Republicans blew up the economy.

Posted by: luridone | March 1, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Recall Scott - and the 8 GOP senators standing with Koch against the people's interests.

Posted by: angie12106 | March 1, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Walker - "The things I said (during the prank call by a blogger posing as GOP contributor David Koch) are the things I’ve said publicly all along" about the Wisconsin budget debate.

FALSE

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/24/scott-walker/wisconsin-gov-scott-walker-says-his-remarks-during/

Posted by: angie12106 | March 1, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I think the issue is that the Right has mis-interpreted the message of the last election. They erroneously assumed that the last election provided a mandate to implement their extreme views.

In reality, the last election was a message that voters want politicians to stop the unproductive bickering and lack of cooperation and start moving forward on the issues in a manner that is acceptable (or at least equally unacceptable) to all.

Walkers unwillingness to compromise is diametrically opposed to the real mandate of the last election.

Posted by: koygdb | March 1, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

If Walker wins, we ALL soon ALL be working as part-time greeters at Wal-Mart for minimum wage and without any benefits...regardless of how much we invested in our education. And we wonder why we are so rapidly becoming a repressive Third World country.

Posted by: jjedif | March 1, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

If Walker wins, we ALL soon ALL be working as part-time greeters at Wal-Mart for minimum wage and without any benefits...regardless of how much we invested in our education. And we wonder why we are so rapidly becoming a repressive Third World country.

Posted by: jjedif | March 1, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I think the issue is that the Right has mis-interpreted the message of the last election. They erroneously assumed that the last election provided a mandate to implement their extreme views.

In reality, the last election was a message that voters want politicians to stop the unproductive bickering and lack of cooperation and start moving forward on the issues in a manner that is acceptable (or at least equally unacceptable) to all.

Walkers unwillingness to compromise is diametrically opposed to the real mandate of the last election.

Posted by: koygdb | March 1, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

How much do polls like this one today really matter for elections that will occur in 2012 and beyond?

Here's Gov. Chris Christie's PR message to Walker:

"But look at what happened again in New Jersey and New York. I was elected with 49% of the vote, in a three way race in November of 2009. The first Republican elected to statewide office in 12 years in New Jersey, but not with a majority. 49% of the vote and when I started to say we were going to cut k-12 education funding by more than a billion dollars, we're going to cut municipal aid by more than half a billion dollars, we're going to cut every program that we can find in government and balance without raising taxes.

I had everybody telling me, Governor you can't do it. Your approval ratings will go in the toilet. People love these programs. And what I said to people was you know what I'm going to try an experiment hear. Let's start treating the people of New Jersey like adults. Because you think they don't know that we are in deep trouble than these are not the people I knew growing up.

These are tough, smart, self aware people who understand that we've dug ourselves a hole for more than a decade and we're only going to get out by climbing and climbing is hard, really hard. But it's time to do it. And what's happened? After 13 months of fighting and arguing and pushing and impatience, my approval rating's at 54%.

No disaster, in fact, more popular today than the day I was elected and that's in a state that is as Democratic as any state in America for a Republican governor."

http://www.aei.org/speech/100195

Posted by: frankb1 | March 1, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

PPP poll isn't a "Dem" leaning poll in the sense that Rasmussen is a GOP poll. PPP poll is a poll that Nate Silver would say that is NOT biased as oppose to Rasmussen which is.

Posted by: maritza1 | March 1, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Thought people up north were smarter than that ... Keep up the good work Walker!

I only wish federal officials took half as strong a stand on the budget as he is.

Posted by: vmidurk | March 1, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

oceancitybum...do you really think public employees don't pay taxes?

Posted by: ja_nice38 | March 1, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Wow the hate is strong today. And I didn't even see Liam Still Angry here. Maybe I missed him.

I can't believe all the looney left here that think this is a good idea. He can't be recalled until his first year is up. Sorry, but you are SOL.

Think about it loones, do you really think this is a good idea? What's going to happen when the Dems take back the statehouse? Repubs are going to flee the state at the first bill, and you won't be able to say a thing. Is that a good thing? The next time a Dem governor makes a decision that half the state doesn't like, people are going to start a recall drive. Is that really what you want? This amounts to political war, and it isn't going to stop with Walker. This will go on and on. I know that no one here is thinking of anything past tomorrow, but try it and you'll realize why this is a bad idea. Legislatures that are paralyezed, Governors and other politicians that are in constant re-election and never able to focus on doing their job.

You always claim you are smarter than that, yet you are letting Greg lead you down the path of stupidity. What does that say about you?

Posted by: Bailers | March 1, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

In other words, the dumbphuck is living on borrowed time.
Serves him well for being stupid. By the by, will the F.uck Brothers come to the rescue of Walker's sorry asset?

Posted by: analyst72 | March 1, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

You can recall Walker, when you send Obama back to Kenya where he was born, and where he belongs now. Or send him over to his Middle Eastern Mulah Buddies , he's still got his Pill-Box hat, and Prayer Rug under the bed .

Posted by: puck-101 | March 1, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Maybe, just maybe, the Wisconsin confrontation will open American workers to the real issue of their lack of clout in dealing with their employers. What better evidence of how cowed most American workers are is the sign held up by a Walker sympathizer: "I don't have health insurance, why should you!" The answer is: You should have health insurance.
In fact, labor has one weapon to use against their employers and it's collective bargaining. Divide workers and you conquer them unless they have some common voice to argue their case. Even the diminished salaries and benefits the 93% of America's private sector workers who are not unionized enjoy today came not from the kindness of their employers' hearts but from bargaining and, when necessary, strikes. It's the American way.Think of Walker as King George who demands sacrifice from his subjects but makes sure his courtiers (e.g. the Kochs et al) are not harmed. Forget the Tea. Dump Walker!

Posted by: gratianus | March 1, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

If Walker wins, we ALL soon ALL be working as part-time greeters at Wal-Mart for minimum wage and without any benefits...regardless of how much we invested in our education. And we wonder why we are so rapidly becoming a repressive Third World country.

Posted by: jjedif
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Not me. I'll start my own business. Thanks for being an ambitious American though.

Posted by: vmidurk | March 1, 2011 1:44 PM | Report abuse

kpark1212 wrote:
Scott - CALL OUT THE WISC. NATIONAL GUARD! Clear the capital of these UNION THUGS! Arrest them and jail them under the Patriot Act as terrorist! Don't let these Commie/Socialists win! They are destroying the country. Let's take America BACK!

Somebody forgot to take their meds this morning!!

Posted by: dmoore11 | March 1, 2011 1:44 PM | Report abuse

HA HA HA - yeah, sure he is

Remember Sargent, when polling Wisconsinites, you must call actual Wisconsinites who live outside of Washington DC!

Now stop giving us leftist propoganda and go back and do it properly!

Posted by: pgr88 | March 1, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

A number of the Wisconsin democrats on the lamb in Illinois are also prime candidates for recalls. I'd say a recall of one of them is far more likely - since they can't come back into the state to campaign for their seats. What fun!

Posted by: JM80 | March 1, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Nobody likes a bully.

Posted by: jckdoors | March 1, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

If 48 percent of the people don't want rights they should move to China.

Posted by: Sanchos_ | March 1, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Public union workers are only exercising their right to free speech when supporting pro union representatives through monetary campaign donations. Oh, I forgot! This is a country of the corporation, by the corporation and for the corporation. According to those "strict constructionists" Thomas, Scalia and Alioto, corporations have every right to finance campaigns of those politicians supporting their agendas.
So what about the free speech of unions? If unions have to give up donating money to campaigns and/or give up the right to collective bargaining,the working class is right back where it started 100 years ago. There must be a reasonable solution but rightwing ideologues supported by corporations are not helping.

Posted by: jp1943 | March 1, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I have a feeling Walker is using the same drug as Charlie Sheen. It's causing them both to be delusional and egotistical.

As an ex-Wisconsinite, I'm am very proud of the protestors still at the capitol and the fact that the senators left the state to avoid that godawful vote. The state has a proud heritage of good schools, good conservation methods, and taking care of its residents. It's really disheartening to see that Walker in only his second month in office is willing to toss all that aside due to a budget deficit of his own making. Not to mention how much he is being influenced by his new-found friends,the Koch brothers.

Posted by: missingwisc | March 1, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Don't believe the poll results? Seems like some of you do not? Why? Because, "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE THRUTH!"

You would not understand public polling methodology or integrity so I won’t bother trying to explain. You all get too much of your (un-informed) views from FOX News or Rush Limbaugh. If the poll is fixed then why has the ultra-Right leaning Wall Street Journal not condemned it?

Bottom line to all you naysayers, TEA baggers, Right-wing-nuts: "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"

Posted by: Tell-the-Truth-Please | March 1, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Greg, you open up the article by indicating that the poll was conducted by "Dem-leaning firm Public Policy Polling", thus, there is little point in reading any further. You might have simply let them write the article for you.

This is supposed to be JOURNALISM, i.e. go out and get UNBIASED information to base your story on.

And by the way, I have a bridge to sell you, real cheap, it is all yours, really.

Posted by: LinkToSanity | March 1, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

You can recall Walker, when you send Obama back to Kenya where he was born, and where he belongs now. Or send him over to his Middle Eastern Mulah Buddies , he's still got his Pill-Box hat, and Prayer Rug under the bed .
Posted by: puck-101
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You are simply an idiot.

Posted by: overed | March 1, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse


Public union workers are only exercising their right to free speech when supporting pro union representatives through monetary campaign donations. Oh, I forgot! This is a country of the corporation, by the corporation and for the corporation. According to those "strict constructionists" Thomas, Scalia and Alioto, corporations have every right to finance campaigns of those politicians supporting their agendas.
So what about the free speech of unions? If unions have to give up donating money to campaigns and/or give up the right to collective bargaining,the working class is right back where it started 100 years ago. There must be a reasonable solution but rightwing ideologues supported by corporations are not helping.

Posted by: jp1943
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If a corporation loses money due to forced higher costs for a long enough period of time, it goes out of business. It's done, over.

If government runs up debt over 4 decades ... what happens? The burden is only passed on to every taxpayer (not citizen) and there is no end in sight, no accountability.

Private/corporate unions can negotiate at their own risk, but public unions do not have the same kind of limitation as the government obviously will never go out of business, no matter how much they need to suck off everyone else to survive.

Posted by: vmidurk | March 1, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse


And speaking of poll results, 2/3 of voters think that the 14 cowardly Wisconsin Dim runaways are behaving badly; only 25 percent support them. Not good if you are one of those Dims up for re-election. Or maybe you think the voters will forget the No Show Dims.

Posted by: screwjob25 | March 1, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

@jckdoors
What bully do you speak of? The union leaders that mandate you donate to their cause so they can use your money any way they seem fit, trips to Washington DC or spending your money donating to the Democratic side of the political debate, ALWAYS.
Has anyone heard of a Union donating to the Republican causes? I am sure it happened once, just not sure where and when.

Posted by: Curious_in_wi | March 1, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

LOL!

Greg would you like to bet on the outcome of this?

Posted by: illogicbuster | March 1, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Liberal-sourced poll finds a liberal result. What a surprise. Here's Prof Jacobson on PPP.

http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2011/03/skewed-sample-data-used-in-ppp.html

I told my parochial teacher brother & sister-in-law from WI down here on vacation about the 'rubber rooms' in NYC & even the female public school teacher was disedified.

BTW, the JSOnline has a lot of comments from on-the-ground anecdotal evidence that the poll results are artifacts contrived by the clever folks at agitprop.

Does Sargent have even an ounce of integrity? That headline is fallacious.

Posted by: djman1141 | March 1, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse


Any politician who does not support the People should be recalled.

This country was NOT set up to be "by corporations and for corporations".

Furthermore, none of the big corporations are using their tax free, tax exempt, and low tax percentages to hire even one more person -- they're taking it all in profit.


Posted by: lindalovejones | March 1, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Part of the problem is that the populace wants it all, but they don't want to pay for it. They want all of the government services, they want collective bargaining, and they want all of the goodies today's liberal government provides, but don't raise their taxes! This country may have to fail before people realize they can't have everything they want for "free."

Posted by: braunt | March 1, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

kpark1212 wrote:
Scott - CALL OUT THE WISC. NATIONAL GUARD! Clear the capital of these UNION THUGS! Arrest them and jail them under the Patriot Act as terrorist! Don't let these Commie/Socialists win! They are destroying the country. Let's take America BACK!

Somebody forgot to take their meds this morning!!

Posted by: dmoore11
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Unfortunately he did..

Got his daily propaganda Fox Fix
while
Injecting a Rush Limbaugh slury
of
Koolaide and Tea

Posted by: pdq5 | March 1, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Go for the jugular: do the recall!

(trust me, given the same opportunity, the Repub's would do the same thing)

Posted by: swabygw | March 1, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Part of the problem is that the populace wants it all, but they don't want to pay for it. They want all of the government services, they want collective bargaining, and they want all of the goodies today's liberal government provides, but don't raise their taxes! This country may have to fail before people realize they can't have everything they want for "free."
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DUDE who have you been listening too

FOX!??

The Republican States are Cutting Taxes on Rich and Corporations
and
We the People are picking up the the BURDEN and WEIGHT..

What the hell is it you do not get???

Posted by: pdq5 | March 1, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

The most interesting stat to me is the 48% who want to recall their Governor. That's pretty drastic.

I don't want to recall my Governor, even though I didn't vote for him, and may not agree with all of his proposals. But then, he hasn't dropped any bombs on me, and is trying to do his best for all of his contstituents.

People reward you when you treat them with respect and dignity.

Posted by: wpobserver1 | March 1, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Any politician who does not support the People should be recalled.

This country was NOT set up to be "by corporations and for corporations".

Furthermore, none of the big corporations are using their tax free, tax exempt, and low tax percentages to hire even one more person -- they're taking it all in profit.


Posted by: lindalovejones


-It's hard to take you seriously Linda, when you live in New Jersey, and yet you defend unions which have made NJ the corrupt state that it is!

Posted by: LibsRLostInSpace | March 1, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Any politician who does not support the People should be recalled.

This country was NOT set up to be "by corporations and for corporations".

Furthermore, none of the big corporations are using their tax free, tax exempt, and low tax percentages to hire even one more person -- they're taking it all in profit.


Posted by: lindalovejones
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This country was also NOT set up to have a reckless government that now spends $400 billion on INTEREST on our debt that keeps growing.

The PEOPLE have lost faith in ANYTHING the government does and as soon as a majority of voters pay more attention to what's going on and not on American Idol or Jersey Shore, we can finally start some fiscal responsibility. Though, I doubt it will happen soon enough.

Posted by: vmidurk | March 1, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Recall Walker and every other Koch brothers puppet. These sell-outs don't represent the public.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | March 1, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

How's that jobs thingy going Republicans?

Posted by: HillRat | March 1, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Recall Walker and every other Koch brothers puppet. These sell-outs don't represent the public.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1


No mention of George Soros? How could that be?

Posted by: LibsRLostInSpace | March 1, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

What next - a pol from Ariana Huffington?..LOL What a joke.

Here's the question: Do you favor raising your taxes in order to support a public sector employee with higher than average salary - benefits that were negotiated with the democratic law makers - while that very same union provides million in campaign contributions? In other words quid pro quo - all at tax payer expense?

Do you favor the Government having to collect union dues on behalf of the union? I mean - if the union is so great - I'm certain it's members would always send their monthly payments on time..if not ahead of time right?

Posted by: short1 | March 1, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Pranked, spanked and yanked...

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | March 1, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

What next a poll from Ariana Huffington..what a joke.

Once again Nobama intervenes on behalf of 25% of americans “I don't think it does anybody any good when public employees are denigrated or vilified, or their rights are infringed upon."

Maybe so - but I guess then it's OK for the Dems and Unions to rip off the american tax payer. I guess it's Ok for the unions to vilify the Wisconsin Republicans....name calling - nazi's, racists, threats......Hmm, what happened to that civil tone Mr President..Oh that's right - your comments only applied to republicans and independents. I guess using that rouse in the Giffords case was exactly that...whats the Dem motto "at any and all costs"......ah - No thanks Mr President - fix your own house before you cast any stones...

Posted by: short1 | March 1, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

How's that jobs thingy going Republicans?

Posted by: HillRat


When you actually get an education, having a good job and the ability NOT to expect the government or unions to feed your family is the norm. OUCH!!!

Posted by: LibsRLostInSpace | March 1, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Hate signs courtesy of the Union / Leftist goons in Wisconsin:

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/02/top-15-photos-from-wisconsin-hate.html

Posted by: buddy2105 | March 1, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Recall, Resign or Remove by Force!

Posted by: dem4life1 | March 1, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Recall, Resign or Remove by Force!

Posted by: dem4life1


-Yep, another uneducated union stooge.

VOTE DEMOCRAT, COZ IT'S EASIER THAN WORKING

Posted by: LibsRLostInSpace | March 1, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

These polls have been totally discredited.

Nice try Greg. Now wipe the brown stain off your nose. You really shouldn't stick it up there so deep.

Posted by: manbearpig4 | March 1, 2011 3:04 PM | Report abuse

So let them recall him.
Can we recall Obama too?

Take a poll.

Posted by: nychap44 | March 1, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

So let them recall him.
Can we recall Obama too?

Take a poll.

Posted by: nychap44 | March 1, 2011 3:10 PM
___________________________________________
You are familiar with the Constitution aren't you? No? Try reading it.

Posted by: Lefty_ | March 1, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Last week Walker, in the middle of a serious debate between him and thousands of Wisconsinites over a piece of legislation he was proposing, took a call he believed was coming from a multi-billionaire who is not a resident of Wisconsin and would seem to have no apparent role in the debate.

The caller wasn't who he claimed to be. Nevertheless, that "David Koch" wished to speak to Gov. Walker reverberated through the State House like an earthquake. Fearful of offending, Walker's staff of gofers threw all normal caution about cold-calls to the wind and got Walker to the phone.

The conversation lasting some twenty-some minutes led to the sound of jaws dropping across the nation when the tape of it hit the internet.

By now the world knows how that call went and doesn't need to be repeated. Suffice it to say Walker sounded like he truly wished he had a tail so he could wag it.

But the lesson we should take from that call is that the reason we have unions is, as it has always been, we need them!

An injury to one is an injury to all, so roll the unions on Wisconsin.

Posted by: apspa1 | March 1, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEq-wj4_W7o

Over the top hate speech from the Looney Left / Union Goons in Wisconsin.

The same people lecturing us a month ago about how offensive speech triggers violence.

That just applies to Sarah Palin apparently.

Posted by: buddy2105 | March 1, 2011 3:17 PM | Report abuse

So let them recall him.
Can we recall Obama too?

Take a poll.

Posted by: nychap44 | March 1, 2011 3:10 PM
___________________________________________
You are familiar with the Constitution aren't you? No? Try reading it.

Posted by: Lefty_


-The Kenyan is the one that needs to read the Constitution!

Posted by: LibsRLostInSpace | March 1, 2011 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Unbelievable!! The legislatures walk out and the voters (supposedly) call for the ouster of the Governor?!?!?
Since when do polls trump the Law?!?!?
I guess the GED tests didn't cover the point that FDR banned public employees from joining unions!!
Walker is not taking away pensions - he is making public worker pensions conform to private sector pensions!!
It is no small wonder that union employees are only 7% of the work force. The other 93% got smart :-)
If your leader is a GOON maybe you need to rethink your job!!

Posted by: thornegp2626 | March 1, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey Right Wingers! Watch this Idiot get recalled!!! Its no secret that Bunch of Old White Folks put him in Office...now those who did not turn out (Young Whites,Blacks,Mixed Races,Asian etc)Realize the consequences of their staying at Home....its over. Hey Tea Party, watch your Boy Scott Walker get recalled and theirs not a F***king thing you can do :)

Posted by: aunkmaa | March 1, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Recall, Resign or Remove by Force!

Posted by: dem4life1


-Yep, another uneducated union stooge.

VOTE DEMOCRAT, COZ IT'S EASIER THAN WORKING

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SPEW LIMBAUH BS, IT'S EASIER THAN THINKING.

Posted by: dem4life1 | March 1, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Any comments on the criticism of these polls that they are over-sampling union households and under-representing Walker voters? and the margin of error is 3.5% -- that seems high.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | March 1, 2011 11:28 AM

The margin of error is not high. It's not stated in the report but using a 95% CI, and polling a little over 700 people, the results are within a normal range. If a 99% CI was used the margin of error will be higher.

Posted by: coginthewheel | March 1, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

This poll doesn't exactly support your position. The Governor isn't proposing eliminating collective bargaining, just narrowing it to salary. So someone in your poll who supports collective bargaining may support the governors position as well. I know I do.

The question I'd like to see polled is: "do people support the choice to join a union or not?" That one might be interesting.

Posted by: sarno | March 1, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse

RECALL NOW!!!

Posted by: dem4life1 | March 1, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

When the Slacker Party sees it's Union cash machine threatened they crank up the hate machine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEq-wj4_W7o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6nAMCTxNnE&feature=related

Posted by: buddy2105 | March 1, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Recall, Resign or Remove by Force!

Posted by: dem4life1


-Yep, another uneducated union stooge.

VOTE DEMOCRAT, COZ IT'S EASIER THAN WORKING

______________________________________
SPEW LIMBAUH BS, IT'S EASIER THAN THINKING.

Posted by: dem4life1

-Perhaps you should shut your yap until you don't need unions to feed your family, eh idiot?

LIBERALISM.........THE GUTLESS CHOICE

Posted by: LibsRLostInSpace | March 1, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

RECALL NOW!!!

Posted by: dem4life1

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Those low life idiots weren't motivated enough to vote the first time.

You think they're motivated enough to put down their malt liquor and come out for a recall?

Posted by: buddy2105 | March 1, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Stats class -- IIRC, the prof said throw out anything above 3%. it might have actually been lower. and you're right that there are hundreds of polls with larger MOE from left, right and everywhere in between polling firms. they're the same ... equally worthless.

Not quite sure how your stats class was taught, but you cannot just throw out results and disregard a poll without actually seeing the data. More information is needed on the 'refused to answer", such as refusing to answer just one question on the survey or all questions on the survey, and are these individuals included in the sample size? The analysis will probably hold up to peer review, but until you see the data, you cannot make any judgements.

Posted by: coginthewheel | March 1, 2011 3:43 PM | Report abuse

The first sentence says its all: "dem-leaning poll" What a piece of Trash!
If you have to poll democrats, that means
unions are LOSING !!!!

Posted by: ohioan | March 1, 2011 3:47 PM | Report abuse

if they recall the govenor...
then watch the money leave wisconsin like they left maryland, 1/3 of the millionaires moved out of state...
because whats next is a tax increase...
a really big one...
plus the pensions will be turned over to the fed...
and wisconsins debt will skyrocket beyond the means to pay it down...

Posted by: DwightCollins | March 1, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Like many persons, I have understood the need to revamp/reconsider benefit packages for public employees because they are unsustainable. I have said so and will continue to do so.

So now it appears that the Wisconsin public employee unions are conceding the point and acquiescing to Walker's financial demands, in the large if not the whole. So he has solved his budget problem, apparently (I don't live in WI, don't have the latest info on a situation that is a moving target . . .).

But Walker insists on fighting the fight against the unions as a matter of principle. Great idea if you're an ideologue. Poor idea if your job is actually to govern. Take your budget victory and move on, Scott. Right now you're apparently more interested in BEING right than DOING right. Governance is not a distance urination contest. If you don't get that, you must have someone pulling your strings. Hmmmm.

Posted by: post_reader_in_wv | March 1, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Biased Polling EVIDENCE confirmed.
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2011/03/skewed-sample-data-used-in-ppp.html

The PPP sample seriously overweighted union households by 6%.

"Put together, the PPP voter sample used to show a huge swing since November appears to have accomplished the result by underweighting Walker voters and overweighting union households. This is particularly important since PPP claims that it was a shift in union household voting patterns which was most prominent."

Polling Credibility: 0.00 (dismal failure)

/dismissed

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 1, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

As a Republican I am concerned about the appearance of being overly punishing to the unions even if that is not true...remember the old rule about perception. I think the unions should give on wage and benefits and more narrowly define what issues can be part of the bargaining process but I don't think the goal should be to get rid of the unions. I can't believe I am saying this but I am. Besides I think Walker is a little bit of a nut job and is digging a hole that the party will have difficult getting out.

Posted by: jnorow | March 1, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

What "King" Walker is attempting to do in Wisconsin is typical of todays Teabagger Republican governors.


They blame a sector of the middle class (union workers) for all the countries (states) economic problems and get the middle class and poor fighting among themselves for leftover economic crumbs.


Once they've got that misdirection in place they proceed to selling off the states assets at pennies on the dollar and handing out unpaid for, deficit ballooning, Tax Cuts to the Billionaire and Mega Corporation class of the state (the Koch Brothers)


And because of those tax cuts for the rich the states economic health never improves, thus giving the extremist Republican governor another excuse to cut more middle class services (Police, Fire, Garbage-service, Teachers etc) again.


I hope the protests against these goon Republican governors spread all over the country. I want the extremist Republican party to see what real middle class grassroots anger looks like in their face (unlike the astroturfed Teabagger shout-fests that are bankrolled by right wing oil billionaires i.e. the Koch Brothers).


2012 is payback time for the extremist Teapublican party, and I can't wait.


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Posted by: DrainYou | March 1, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Re: Posted by: JM80 A number of the Wisconsin democrats on the lamb in Illinois are also prime candidates for recalls. I'd say a recall of one of them is far more likely - since they can't come back into the state to campaign for their seats. What fun!
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How can Wisconsin senators be on the lamb??? Lambs are not big enough to carry people. Or did you mean, on the lam???
I guess you didn't go to Wisconsin schools like I did back in the 1960's. Although with Scotty-boy's spending cuts, the majority of people will be spelling as poorly as you in the near future.

Posted by: missingwisc | March 1, 2011 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a Republican and I don't see the need for Unions. Explain the overall "right" that you believe people have a right to unionize. Unions drove the manufacturing industry right out of this country and they are killing our state budgets right now. Please enlighten me as to how this is a good thing and beneficial to the workers. Unions were important when workers were being abused and there was no government oversight. Now there is a ton of oversight and I can guarantee you that if workers were being treated that badly, people would hear about it.

Posted by: VaBroker | March 1, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

If this is so, why have there been so many people protesting that they think people who work for the public sector make more money and have better benefits than they do at taxpayers expense? I believe this very paper published several articles regarding same.

It is very easy to get these poll results if the majority of people who gave and opinion are union members. Sorry WP, I think you manufactured this data.

Posted by: sbeth1 | March 1, 2011 4:30 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Teabagger inbreeds campaigned against what they deemed to be "oppressive government" at the federal level during the health care reform debate - even though millions of Americans will substantially benefit from expanded access to health care. But when actual government oppression rears its ugly head in Wisconsin, the Teabagger clowns claim that they support their precious Governor Walker? What a bunch of phonies, liars and hypocrites!


In a move reminiscent of Poland under martial law in the early 1980s, Wisconsin's "General" Walker and other power-hungry Republicans in the Wisconsin state legislature (and their party brethren across the country), are attempting to unilaterally decree that henceforth virtually all public union activity will be controlled by the authoritarian state. Walker has even said that he may need to call in the National Guard. And the slack jawed Teabagger yokels support this statist takeover?


This is the same governor Walker who has lied about the state budget crisis, claiming erroneously that the salaries and benefits of public workers are to blame. When in actuality, the governor's tax cuts cuts for the rich program (according to Wisconsin's nonpartisan state budget office) was what turned a budget surplus into a budget deficit this year.


This is the same governor Walker who is engaging in blatant political favoritism and cronyism, by pledging to maintain the collective bargaining rights of the public unions who supported him in the last election (police, firefighters). Meanwhile, the rights of teachers, correction officers, social workers, and other public professionals are being attacked by Walker. Obviously, he's targeting their right to engage in collective bargaining, as a form of political payback for opposing him in the last election.


This is a clear statist attempt to destroy the more "Democratic leaning" unions, while protecting the more "Republican leaning" interest groups and other funding sources for Governor Walker and his like-minded authoritarian peers in the G.O.P. across the country.

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Posted by: DrainYou | March 1, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: VaBroker
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Sorry to break this to you but if you can pay a Vietnameise worker $1.00 a day and work that same worker for 18 hour days, I would say that there is no competition for the job. Be it Union or Joe Schmoe willing to work the job, who in America would work for a dollar a day? So the Union isn't driving manufacturing out of the US, cheap labor combined with no work or enviromental standards is driving the exodus.
The real question to be asked is how can these companies be proud to call themselves American when they are supporting economies in other countries and giving the middle finger to their own communities?
Let's also debunk this myth that public Unions are breaking state economies. They are playing a part but not the major part. The people who seek to demonize the public unions seek it for a reason (money, power, control).

Posted by: priceisright | March 1, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

vabroker wrote....
I'm not a Republican and I don't see the need for Unions. Explain the overall "right" that you believe people have a right to unionize. Unions drove the manufacturing industry right out of this country and they are killing our state budgets right now. Please enlighten me as to how this is a good thing and beneficial to the workers. Unions were important when workers were being abused and there was no government oversight. Now there is a ton of oversight and I can guarantee you that if workers were being treated that badly, people would hear about it.

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There is no "right" to unionize as it might be portrayed in the Constitution. It was negotiated over decades beginning at around the start of the 20th century to offset gross abuses in the workplace. Union wages played a part in jobs leaving to go offshore. So did shortsighted profit demands. So did tax infrastructure that rewarded them for doing so. So did abnormally low wages in other countries, below living standards, which U.S. workers could no match if they were unionized or not. In some ways, when companies found they could no longer abuse U.S. workers to their benefit, they moved overseas to do the same to the citizens of other countries. Oversight comes and goes. Under Democrats, it usually increases, under Republicans, it decreases. If it there was "tons" of oversight, we probably wouldn't still see working dying in mines as safety rules are ignored, and people cutting off fingers in meat processing plants, once again with safety rules ignored. Teachers probably don't need unions in most states where they are fairly compensated. Union benefits certainly do contribute to the financial mess in the states. Maybe the states shouldn't have agreed to them over the decades.

Posted by: RGee1 | March 1, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

With typical Republican/Tea Party arrogance Walker took office, backed by the billionaires, and decided to force thru a radical agenda. He has proven that even a cowed, unemployed, discouraged and dishearted population will fight back against the billionaire/tea party agenda when they go to far. Walker will be recalled barring another massive influx of Koch Brothers cash, or a scandal that forces him out earlier than next winter, and given his record, either is a real possibility. Let his recall be a warning to the radical right wing - you do not represent the people of this country, and no amount of Fox News Propaganda, or corrupt Citizen's United Cash will outweigh the democratic process.

Posted by: pblotto | March 1, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Wisconsin one of 41 states where public workers earn more than workers in the private sector.

All Obama constituents appear to be sucking on the government tit.

Posted by: 2012frank | March 1, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RGee1
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Couldn't have said it better myself, in fact, I didn't....

Posted by: priceisright | March 1, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

A recall is a good idea. Recalls covers faulty cars, trucks and the like. Let's start Scott Walker and then go after all the other tea party poopers!

Posted by: TruCherryHillNJ | March 1, 2011 5:04 PM | Report abuse

when are they going to do a poll on barak, bet he would face even worse results than the gov. time to take to the streets and take our dictator down. Its worked in Egypt and now in Libya

Posted by: mandinka2 | March 1, 2011 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Glad to know that this poll was taken in Wisconsin. I thought I saw the interviewers for this poll walking amongst the demonstrators in the Capitol asking them the polling questions.....and the pollsters were wearing SEIU shirts!

Posted by: AlHamilton | March 1, 2011 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I am hearted by all of the polls showing how much the country believes in the rights of individuals to come together for their common good. I fully support the unions and the good things that they do supporting workers. More American workers should gain the courage to organize every work place large and small. It will help get the country back on track by providing a method to offset Wall Street, big banks, large corporations and the wealthy making all decisions in Washington and state capitols. As to Walker, I will donate as much as I can to help the people of Wisconsin mount a massive recall drive to get rid of this autocratic aristocat. We have waited too long and catered to the right way too much over the last year. It is time for us to just say NO to this Republicon power grab.

Posted by: deminfla1 | March 1, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Why the teachers need to take a pay cut:
BANK OF AMERICA: In 2009, Bank of America didn’t pay a single penny in federal income taxes. The same year, the mega-bank’s top executives received pay “ranging from $6 million to nearly $30 million.”
- BOEING: Despite receiving billions of dollars from the federal governmentin taxpayer subsidies, Boeing didn’t “pay a dime of U.S. federal corporate income taxes” between 2008 and 2010.
CITIGROUP: Citigroup’s deferred income taxes for the third quarter of 2010 amounted to a grand total of $0.00. At the same time, Citigroup has continued to pay its staff lavishly. The bank’s highest paid executive - a compensation package worth $9.5 million.
EXXON-MOBIL: The oil giant uses offshore subsidiaries in the Caribbean to avoid paying taxes in the United States. Although Exxon-Mobil paid $15 billion in taxes in 2009, not a penny of those taxes went to the American Treasury. This was the same year that the company overtook Wal-Mart in the Fortune 500. Meanwhile the total compensation of Exxon-Mobil’s CEO the same year was over $29,000,000.
GENERAL ELECTRIC: the world’s largest corporation — filed more than 7,000 tax returns and still paid nothing to U.S. government. They managed to do this by a tax code that essentially subsidizes companies for losing profits and allows them to set up tax havens overseas. That same year GE CEO Jeffery Immelt “earned total compensation of $9.89 million.”
- WELLS FARGO: Despite being the fourth largest bank in the country, Wells Fargo was able to escape paying federal taxes by writing all of its losses off after its acquisition of Wachovia. Yet in 2009 the CEO of Wells Fargo saw his compensation “more than double” as he earned “a salary of $5.6 million paid in cash and stock and stock awards of more than $13 million.”

Posted by: CALDEM | March 1, 2011 5:24 PM | Report abuse

NEWS FLASH from 3nd year stats class: Over-sampling is good statistics when you want to compare the opinions of a small group of people with a larger group of people. (Only about 12% of workers are unionized)

If you can only interview 1000 people of which only 100 are union members, your margin of error on the 900 non-union members will be close to +-3%, while the margin of error on the 100 union members will be closer to +-9%

On the other hand, if you interview 500 of each group, the margin of error on both groups will be closer to +-4.2%, and the margin of error on a comparison would be in the 6-7% range.

Oversampling does NOT bias a poll! Instead it makes it more accurate.

Naturally, Gov. Walker's budget will ensure fewer citizens understand such basic statistics in the future, because (1) Having dropped out of college with a 'C' average himself, he hasn't a clue himself. (2) The less people understand statistics, the easier it is to mislead them.

Posted by: Denswei | March 1, 2011 5:25 PM | Report abuse

The plum line how about a poll from the AFL-CIO or SIEU. The Post continues on its quest to even out leftwingnut the NY Times.
The American TAXPAYERS are fed up with the unions and the Dem senate and WH, time to take to the streets with pitchforks and take them down. Its worked in Egypt and is working in Libya

Posted by: mandinka2 | March 1, 2011 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I do not know the rules for recalling a governor in Wisconsin. But I doubt Scott Walker is as unpopular as some polls might show him. He is doing exactly what he was elected to do, and if there is a recall election then I predict it will be defeated by a wide margin.

Posted by: JBaustian | March 1, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Wonderful to witness the so-called great democracy (fundamentals in crisis)!

Republicans have shown their unwillingness to cross the line on what they understand to be "the underlying understanding of a democracy" this is a grand sign indeed!

This is the overwhelming challenge now for the GOP/Tea Party...Republicans are not all "right-wing" and many are still of the old school (fair play) no grand difference...we are all American understanding!

Wisconsin is the "ideological battleground for 2012" republicans (spectrum broad) may not turn out; therefore the "democracy" will be saved by maybe less than 5% of this sub-group...and God Bless Them!

In the "Great Ball Game" the US of A is on two strikes and the opposition (rest of world) know her best is behind...just waiting for the right moment...

Posted by: porpie9254 | March 1, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse

The plum line how about a poll from the AFL-CIO or SIEU. The Post continues on its quest to even out leftwingnut the NY Times.
The American TAXPAYERS are fed up with the unions and the Dem senate and WH, time to take to the streets with pitchforks and take them down. Its worked in Egypt and is working in Libya

Posted by: mandinka2 | March 1, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Wisconsin is broke because of BIG BUSINESS.
Who plundered its treasury?
After blackwater, does anyone believe that the Republicans are for sound budgets?
Clifford Spencer

Posted by: yankeefan1925 | March 1, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Scott Walker is enormously popular. I have been listening to the analysis of this so called poll. Sampling was about 50-50 between union and non union members, whereas the union members comprise roughly 12% of the population of Wisconsin.
The idea of impeaching Walker for doing his job is ludicrous - how about impeaching Barry for violating the rule of law whenever he saw fit. (Remember those GM and Chrysler bondholders?)

Posted by: rknapp0205 | March 1, 2011 5:48 PM | Report abuse

One question

What is to stop a government worker collective bargaining unit from demanding a 100% increase in salary and retirement benefits, and making the taxpayer pay for it?

The taxpayer has no collective bargaining unit to defend themselves, which is why the average earner pays 60% of income to the government in payroll, property taxes, fees, and surcharges on purchases which are for corporate tax payments.

So what is to stop the tax load from going to 100%?

Posted by: JohnSpek | March 1, 2011 5:53 PM | Report abuse

The inbred knuckle dragging union goons and their low life parasite Democrat allies hear their tax-payer funded gravy train screeching to a halt and they're going nuclear:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEq-wj4_W7o

Their scam is exposed and they can't believe it.

No collective bargaining for public sector workers!!

FDR was right!

Let union members give their dues voluntarily - not have it taken from them by the gov't.!!

See how many members pay and how popular the unions are then - what are they afraid of?

Let union members certify unions every year!!

If unions are as good as they claim they won't have a problem -

which is why unions are fighting it!!

Their own members think they suck.

The unions are afraid their members won't pay dues or recertify them.

What a scam.

Just teh Taxpayer to Union to Dem Party money train.

Posted by: buddy2105 | March 1, 2011 5:58 PM | Report abuse

It would be interesting to find out why non-union households support a public union. Do the non-union household people really not mind having their tax dollars pay for the public union's pension and health care?

Posted by: mafox1 | March 1, 2011 6:14 PM | Report abuse

As a senior member of the "Drive-By_Media" you have done everything to denigrate Walker. If you had applied the same energy to those Wisconsin Rioters as you did the Tea party gatherings, the entire country would have risen up, gone to Wisconsin, and tarred and feathered each Union member.

But I guess you don't subscribe to Rasmussen.

You print daily lies about what's going on in Wisconsin and then "opine" the Walker may be losing the public opinon battle.

You lie just like Slick Willy Clinton lied when he said "..I didn't have sex with that woman".. You lie like Sen. Clinton; John Kerry; Madeline Albright; John Edwards; Birch Bayh. Sandy Berger did about those Iraqi WMDs. Did you highlight those lies? Thank God for Google. Just Google "Clinton and Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction" and read those Democrat lies--not, "I mis-spoke"--but downright lies.

Posted by: fregameeate | March 1, 2011 6:15 PM | Report abuse

The Conservatives just continue their attempts to totally take away the rights of US citizens and too many are drinking their cool aid.

I want to know if the posters here in support of Miller are collecting or taking advantage of ANY kind of aid, social security, veterans benefits, medicare, medicaid or any kind of "social" program even workmen's compensation?

I can't believe all the posters here that are so hatefully conservative and dead set agains workers' rights are that self sufficient and are confident they will always be able to take care of themselves and NEVER need any kind of assistance and trust implicitly that their employers will always treat them with respect and humanely.

Much of the workers' rights we have now are because of collecting bargaining otherwise we have no power against the rich and powerful (as corny and that sounds).

With that said, I gleefully say RECALL the Governor. If he really cared about taking care of the deficit he would ask all of the citizens of his state to bite the bullet and sacrifice by taking a tax increase if not just on the rich but on everyone.

No politician in this country has the intestinal fortitude to state the obvious along with stopping both wars and reinstating the tax rates for the very rich who have gotten very rich on OUR backs.

Posted by: davidbronx | March 1, 2011 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Thank GOD that Adam Green, co-founder of Progressive Change Campaign Committee (PCCC) has initiated calls to many WI voters to determine if they would be willing to recall many of the Republicans. Good results from this show that the recall would be favorable to rid that state of this disaster November election of too many Republicans. These Republicans are showing that they are liars and that they are for the wealthiest folks. Each comment I have made lately as also suggested that WI voters come together and "recall" their liar of a governor Walker. After the psuedo phone call Walker thought he was having with his top donator David Koch, he proved he could careless about the working class families. RECALL THE GOVERNOR AND AS MANY OF THE SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN AS POSSIBLE IN WI. The next recall, should be in New Jersey and fast to rid themselves of the person named Christie who is too arrogant to be a public official. Christie is another Republican that talks down to the working class and could careless about maintaining fire and police personnel, especially in Camden. Christie is also going after teachers. New Jersey needs to elect Cory Booker as their next governor. Cory proves daily that he is humble and cares about people, including working class. GOd bless those that will take action (RECALL) against these REpublicans and VOTE IN 2012 to make a difference in our country. President Obama and his administration canNOT do all the heavy lifting while Republicans come behind a tear us down. Republicans lie to gain your vote and then they show you how little you mean to them. Boehner is another Republican that needs to be RECALLED and the gavel should be passed back to the deserving one - Nancy Pelosi. Many Americans should email and/or call (202-225-6205) Boehner and inform him of how disappointed we are in his lack of leadership and character. ALso ask him: WHERE ARE THE JOBS?

Posted by: netstoy | March 1, 2011 6:30 PM | Report abuse

This sack of trash does not deserve an even break. I wonder whether the P.h.u.c.k. Brothers will come to rescue his sorry asset.

Posted by: analyst72 | March 1, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou wrote:
The Republican Teabagger inbreeds campaigned
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Yes they did, and guess what, they won!

In the 2010 Midterm Elections, the Republican Party gained 63 seats in the U.S. House of Representatives and six seats in the U.S. Senate from the Democratic Party. Republicans also gained six governorships, including Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan. Republicans gained 680 seats in state legislatures, the most in the modern era.

Democratic loses could be attributed to public rejection of the socialistic policies of the Obama administration. The public disapproved of President Obama's economic policies. In the days leading up to the election, a majority of voters supported repealing/replacing The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, sixty-five percent of voters said that the economic stimulus package either hurt the economy or did no good, and fifty-four percent of those voting said they were dissatisfied with the performance of Barack Obama.

Check this link to see the enormity of the problem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNFb6qe7Tmg

November 2012 can't come soon enough!

Posted by: 2012frank | March 1, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

postfan1: "The liberal media has run amuck in its mischaracterization of this issue."

I'm so sick of the worn-out baseless cry of "liberal media, liberal media, squawk" from the wingnut parrots. A publication that was actually liberal would not have disclosed that the poll here was conducted by a Democratic partisan group, instead selling it as completely objective and absolute fact.

You know, like Fox News does on the other end of the spectrum. But even if your completely unsubstantiated charge were somehow true, it raises another question. If this media outlet is so biased, why the heck do you waste your time with it? Aren't you afraid all that liberal propaganda (i.e., facts) will poison your myopic one-sided view of the world, causing you to actually think about something for a moment?

Don't hurt yourself. Crawl back to Fox, they'll tell you what to think. They won't even let those pesky facts get in the way. Go ahead, run along now. Before you get converted into a liberal elite. Gasp!

Posted by: tomguy1 | March 1, 2011 6:55 PM | Report abuse

He certainly is no Tommy Thompsen!

Recall Him!

Posted by: daveg000 | March 1, 2011 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Figures Lie and Liars Figure-Mark Twain

Posted by: RoseKelly | March 1, 2011 7:17 PM | Report abuse

All of you that are against the unions are most likely benefiting from them! If the unions had not fought for the labor laws you would still be working in sweat shops. You would be working 10-16 hour days, and no medical benefits! The unions fought for and got an end to child labor, and an end to exploitation of women! The unions are responsible the employees of corporate America havoing a can do attitude, and for the companies making high quality products. Emp;lloyees that feel they are being exploited tend to be sloppy workers. Workers that feel they are valued as employees work better and bring more prfitability to the companies they work for! The anti-collective bargaining going on in Wisconsin is going to destroy corporte America. When corporate America goes under so goes the entire economy of the world! Unions built American industry without unions they are toast!

Posted by: newsjunkie1 | March 1, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

The below links claim differently.

Being from Wisconsin, I figure I'll just wait and see who Wisconsinites elect in the next governors race...

...and if We vote for Obama again :-D

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2011/02/25/poll-wisconsin-gov-scott-walker-winning-labor-budget-fight

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/scott-walker-obama-wisconsin/2011/02/28/id/387808

Posted by: deadmanwalking | March 1, 2011 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Koch-Roach-Walker


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states with no collective bargaining:
1) are in the South
2) are in Red States
3) have lowest student test scores
4) receive the most federal money
5) have highest obesity rates
6) have the highest deficit ratios

Koch-Roach-Walker


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Posted by: moneyfools | March 1, 2011 7:55 PM | Report abuse

No matter what polls say, the bottom line is that we do not have the money to honor these overly generous agreements. The politicians that made these deals years ago forgot to fund them. Taxpayers today do not have the money to fund these overly generous pensions that were not funded. How hard is that to understand. You should be on your knees thanking Governor Walker for having the guts to confront this disaster. "Walker for President" He's the only one actually addressing the root of the problem.

Posted by: tucsoncaller | March 1, 2011 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Say what you like about unions: they're real focus, public or private, has always been to raise the standard of living of working folks and their families, and bring along as many boats as possible on the rising tide. Now come Scott Walker, conservative Republicans, and the Tea party, whose focus is to reduce the standard of living of the many Americans even as the country's free enterprise system can't keep up with the labor powerhouses of China, India and other countries. But the rich, the Koch brothers, get richer. No surprise Americans and the citizens of Wisconsin support public workers, their own. What happens to them, happens to us.

Posted by: dudh | March 1, 2011 8:46 PM | Report abuse

No matter what polls say, the bottom line is that we do not have the money to honor these overly generous agreements. The politicians that made these deals years ago forgot to fund them. Taxpayers today do not have the money to fund these overly generous pensions that were not funded. How hard is that to understand. You should be on your knees thanking Governor Walker for having the guts to confront this disaster. "Walker for President" He's the only one actually addressing the root of the problem.

Posted by: tucsoncaller | March 1, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't anyone get the point that there is no money to fund these benefits! When the politicians made these sweetheart deals, they didn't bother to put any money aside to fund them. Governor Walker is the ONLY politician that has been willing to face this fact and try to do something about it. Haven't any of you learned yet that you can cry all you want to, but it doesn't change the fact that we're broke. All I can say is "Walker for President".

Posted by: tucsoncaller | March 1, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

@tucsoncaller

I don't get your point. The Union has already agreed to all of Walkers financial terms. The benefits have been given back. So I really don't understand your argument or lack of one. This fight is not about money more its about rights.

Posted by: Nemesis | March 1, 2011 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Not surprised to see the pro Walker troll-bots posting the same garbage here that they have been posting everywhere else. Their masters have instructed them to do so and they must obey. Glad to hear the rest of the country is not fooled by Walker-Wisconsin Clown. The man is clearly in the hip pocket of the billionaire Koch brothers. Why else are Wisconsin's airwaves currently being flooded with pro-Walker anti-union adds all courtesy of the Koch brother's lobby group American's for Prosperity.

Posted by: WalkerWacJob | March 2, 2011 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Governor Walker of Wisconsin may be losing in the public polls because he has been so maligned by the left-leaning media which always sides with the unions no matter what. Walker is continually being hammered and called every ugly name under the sun. Nobody even pauses to consider what he is saying but instead it is assumed that his main goal is to destroy the unions. Maybe he is just seeking to prevent a fiscal disaster to his Wisconsin in the solar plexus! And it will if nothing is being done.

Posted by: Tommypie | March 2, 2011 2:03 AM | Report abuse


I first worked with 123 mortgage refi more than a year and recently I refinanced my loan, again with 123. Both times I scoured the field for other options, and I found no-one better than 123. The process was very professional and straight forward; all estimates were in writing.

Posted by: edgarbell562 | March 2, 2011 4:09 AM | Report abuse

At least Governor Walker is still in Madison, but the duly elected Democrats are still no where to be found.
Sounds like a radical liberal elite plan to recall the governor, but do nothing about the senators that have run away and are not doing there job.

Posted by: rteske | March 2, 2011 6:31 AM | Report abuse

So let them recall him.
Can we recall Obama too?

Take a poll.

Posted by: nychap44 | March 1, 2011 3:10 PM
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You are familiar with the Constitution aren't you? No? Try reading it.

Posted by: Lefty_


-The Kenyan is the one that needs to read the Constitution!

Posted by: LibsRLostInSpace | March 1, 2011 3:17 PM
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The President from Hawaii was a Constitutional Law professor. You, on the other hand, are a delusional ignoramous.

Posted by: luridone | March 2, 2011 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Governor Walker of Wisconsin may be losing in the public polls because he has been so maligned by the left-leaning media which always sides with the unions no matter what. Walker is continually being hammered and called every ugly name under the sun. Nobody even pauses to consider what he is saying but instead it is assumed that his main goal is to destroy the unions. Maybe he is just seeking to prevent a fiscal disaster to his Wisconsin in the solar plexus! And it will if nothing is being done.

Posted by: Tommypie | March 2, 2011 2:03 AM
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Your argument might have some merit if the unions had not agreed to virtually all of Walker's demands on pension and health insurance cost-sharing. The fiscal disaster can be averted WITHOUT denying collective bargaining rights to state employees. But by refusing to accept the financial concessions and leave it at that, Walker is making it clear that he intends to eviserate, if not completely destroy, the unions. And THAT is why he is losing in the polls.

Posted by: luridone | March 2, 2011 8:52 AM | Report abuse

mobrien83 offers some interesting discussion (post @ March 1, 2011 11:35 AM), and some good points... I'd take issue only with one: there is such a difference between employees getting a (tiny) voice in their employer-company by buying shares of stock, and the exercise of public employees' (large and concentrated) voice in local elections...such a huge quantitative difference that it becomes a qualitative one as well.

Ordinary employees of a corporation employing, say, 20,000 people, can buy stock with every spare penny they earn, and they will never have the influence over that corporation that public employees unions exert in the elections of towns, counties and districts many times larger than that. And if private sector employees ever DID acquire such control over their employer company, and used it the way public sector employees do, they would soon run the company into bankruptcy... governments just raise taxes and fees.

Posted by: Iconoblaster | March 2, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I suppose all those people whose taxes he cut, just before there was a budget crisis (what a coincidence), will contribute to close the budget gap. Afterall, tax cuts generate revenue, right?

Oh, by the way, Republicans/Conservatives/Tea Partiers made JOBS priority #1, but reports are that industry announce larger than expected lay-offs in February. WHERE ARE THE JOBS?

Posted by: AMviennaVA | March 2, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Now here's a silly comment - let's see Walker remains in the house - executing the job he was duly elected to perform. We have 14 awol democratic senators - who refuse to report for work and execute the democratic process..yet they are OK? What is wrong with this picture?

My Dem friends - imagine this - Nobama brings forth HealthCare bill (but let us forget he did it under the cover of dark and via back rooms) ...and within teh senate their is a rule for 1 republican to be present in order for the bill to be voted on - and zero attended...what say you?

Fast forward to Wisconsin - we have 14 democratic senators failing to execute the jobs they were elected to do...but also go awol to a neighboring state because they do not like the legislation proposed ..and do not have the votes to block it?

Hmm, sore losers...now place that same requirement on the HC legislation - how would you feel? I'm sure several of you will come up with some irrational answer...

Posted by: short1 | March 2, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

If a governor or some like him was to tell the a union the there would be a 2 year freeze without bargaining would the union do? Bring it on let me have it folks.

Posted by: tateofpa | March 2, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Can you imagine if a governor was the say that all government employees would have a 2 year freeze without negotiation what would happen? Tell me what would the unions do, would they show up like what is happening in WI?

Posted by: tateofpa | March 2, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I am against public sector unions in general, and support hard-decision cuts in spending...

...and I still want Walker out of office, along with any senator who signed that bill.

It his Walker's draconian methods, and inability to discuss that is pushing most toward wanting him removed.

Besides, when he sells off the state power plants in a no-bid format, to any party that is not the most money the state could have received, he and the senators who signed off should be impeached instead of recalled.

Posted by: spynnal | March 2, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

spynnal - Well tell me about what I ask, about 2 year freeze.

Posted by: tateofpa | March 2, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

The Gov can sleep easy.

Who knew a Dem-poll finds support for Democrats ! and Unions even ! inline with a Dem national poll showing overwhelming support for public-service bargaining rights !

The Dem national poll conducted Feb. 24-27 surveyed: 20 percent said there was a union member in their household, and 25 percent said there was a public employee in their household." Those numbers are almost twice the true national numbers.

Thats oversampling by at least 15%.

Take 10 or 15% off any Dem poll result to get the real result... usually opposite to what the liberal pundits would have us believe.

Posted by: pvilso24 | March 2, 2011 3:47 PM | Report abuse

So if the President can freeze government worker wages for 2 years without negotiations with the unions, why aren't the unions on 1600 ave. do what they do best being thugs.

Posted by: tateofpa | March 2, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

So if the President can freeze government worker wages for 2 years without negotiations with the unions, why aren't the unions on 1600 ave. do what they do best being thugs.

Posted by: tateofpa | March 2, 2011 3:54 PM
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What a colossal display of ignorance. Federal employees have NEVER had the right to bargain over wages. They are completely at the whim of Congress and the President. Your knowledge of unions is at the same level, i.e., complete ignorance.

Posted by: luridone | March 2, 2011 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Twenty six percent of Union households don't support the right of collective bargaining ? Are they mental?

Posted by: thomass3 | March 4, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

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