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Posted at 3:22 PM ET, 03/ 7/2011

Walker attacks Dems, succeeds in making them more resolved to hold out

By Greg Sargent

Governor Scott Walker held a press conference this afternoon in which he hammered away at missing state senate Dems in an effort to force them to cave and return to Wisconsin to pass his proopsal rolling back public employee bargaining rights.

But if anything, Walker's presser has only stiffened Dem resolve to hold out longer. That's what Dems agreed upon this afternoon in a private conversation after Walker's appearance today, one senate Dem tells me.

In the presser, Walker made the surprising claim that two senate Democrats were privately negotiating with him and senate Republicans to reach a deal to end the impasse. As Eric Kleefeld reports, Walker singled out Dem senators Tim Cullen and Bob Jauch, claiming that they had met with Walker and Republicans near the Illinois state line in an effort to reach some kind of compromise. Walker then charged that Dem leaders keep blocking these efforts.

But in going public with this claim about Cullen and Jauch, Walker has only succeeded in antagonizing them and making them less inclined to deal with him, senator Chris Larson just told me in an interview.

"Walker just knocked down the last two people who thought Walker could be reasonable," said Larson, who said he had heard this directly from the senators in question on a call after the Walker presser. "He threw those two guys under the bus. It hardened their resolve."

Jauch himself has adamantly denied Walker's characterization of ongoing discussions, saying he has not been trying to reach a deal with the governor independent of other Dems.

It was widely rumored and reported last night that Dems were close to reaching some kind of agreement to come back to Wisconsin. Those reports appear to have been overstated, and if anything, Larson said, Walker's presser has now made it even less likely that Dems will return.

"Walker makes a good enemy," Larson noted.

By Greg Sargent  | March 7, 2011; 3:22 PM ET
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Bullying has not worked for almost three weeks, so what does he do? Bullies again. Brilliant strategy there.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 7, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

OT: "The Associated Press has learned that President Barack Obama is approving the resumption of military trials for detainees at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, ending a two-year ban."

Yay!

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/07/ap-sources-president-barack-obama-to-allow-new-military-terror-trials-at-guantanamo/#ixzz1Fwgc4bvM

Posted by: sbj3 | March 7, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

i hate this word, i really hate it - but nothing else works to describe this guy - is he really that obtuse? i am speechless.

Posted by: ebproducer | March 7, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Walker's divide and conquer MO is the same here as the national GOP. Peel off a couple of the 14, try to separate them from their colleagues, just like the GOP is scapegoating public employee union members from the other segments of the middle class in sowing resentment against those "greedy" workers.
The GOP knows that they are a dwindling party, with a US demographic not in their favor. It's a three pronged approach: first it was the Citizen's United decision; then breaking public sector unions who help with Dems getting out the vote; and most importantly, voter suppression.

Posted by: filmnoia | March 7, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

How long will it take before we can recall the 8 Republican Senators?

Posted by: maritza1 | March 7, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

". . . is he really that obtuse? i am speechless."

I said it earlier today, but the answer to your rhetorical question is a resounding YES. The GOP breeds these double digit IQ critters by the dozens for public office. Dems are fortuntate going into 2012 having little Scotty to use as a GOP poster child (and pinata too).

Posted by: filmnoia | March 7, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Recall Walker !

Posted by: PulSamsara | March 7, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

You can read it in Scott Kochdaffi's beady little rodent eyes, that he is a rat, that can never be trusted.

Keep in mind, that he told the Faux David Koch, that he was thinking about luring those Democrats back to Wisconsin, by telling them he was going to negotiate in good faith, and once they returned, the Republicans would then pass his original bill, without making any changes.

Once a beady eyed lying rat, always a beady eyed lying rat.

Those Magnificent Fourteen better make sure to never agree to meet with him, or any of his rat pack, inside the Wisconsin state line.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 7, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

This is just too funny. The big problem for the left is that all their tantrum did was stiffen the resolve of Govenor Walker.

In the meantime, Ohio cruises along with SB5, which will significantly alter the privleges of the civil service unions in the state. Not a peep about this from Mr Sargent though. Oh well.

I am proud of Walker for holding his ground on this. The Democrats in the WI legislature provided their character during the lame duck, wherein they sprung a member from jail to take a vote on new union sweetheart deals.

The stakes for the Democrat party nationally cannot be overstated. This is an important source of cash flow (from the taxpayers to the Democrat party) and it is looking like that flow will slow to a trickle.

How will the Democrats hope to continue to delude Americans without the millions it takes to engage in disinformation campaigns? Where will Obama get the money it takes to lauch OFA campaigns based on lies if the American taxpayers won't pony up?

No wonder the left is so unhappy. The big lie machine they love needs money. Now they will have to compete for donations like the Republicans. Let's see how long it takes them to understand this. It has taken over two years for them to recognize that Obama is being treated much better by the right than the left treated Bush.

It has also taken over two years for them to recognize that governing is much tougher than complaining about others.

This is just so much fun. Watching the lefties writhe in anguish is a joy to behold.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 7, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Too funny....apparently Walker is upset because he thinks there have been "secret phone calls" between Dem backers and the Dem Senators. Irony, anyone?

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 7, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The petitions for recall apparently have been taken out on at least the 8 republicans, if not all 16 Senators up for election. Now the pressure is on to see how well the effort to recall the republicans goes. THAT the dems can wait a week or so on. If the movement has real legs, in that week the petitioners can deposit early petition sheets with announced numbers. THAT might bring some sense into enough R's to get the anti union provisions scrubbed from the bill. Then the dems can come in and pass a budget sans the language that tries to destroy unions. Since the real budget is going to totally PO Wisconsin, they let the R's pass that and then beat them over the head with it for the next two years

And come January 1 they start recall on the other half of the republican Senate, the Governor, the Lt.Governor, and any one else who seems to be associated with walker.

Posted by: ceflynline | March 7, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Bullying has not worked for almost three weeks, so what does he do? Bullies again. Brilliant strategy there.
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I thought the above comment won the comment of the day prize until this one:

Too funny....apparently Walker is upset because he thinks there have been "secret phone calls" between Dem backers and the Dem Senators. Irony, anyone?

And both by our rapier wit Suekzoo.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | March 7, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

someone posted this at madison.com - i think it is plan that walker should jump on it:

How should the Capitol stalemate be resolved?
The governor has painted himself into a corner. There is no good way for him to get out of the mess that he has created for himself through his refusal to negotiate. Meanwhile every Wisconsinite suffers, and our children suffer the most.
The Senate Republicans are the ones who can bail him out. No one is better at self-preservation or self-service than a legislator. If they all vote no on the budget repair bill, there will be no sacrificial lambs. All of Wisconsin will benefit.

Posted by: ebproducer | March 7, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Another strip search case may be heading to The Supremes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/08/us/08bar.html?hp

"Although the judges in the majority in Mr. Florence’s case, the one heard in Philadelphia, said they had been presented with no evidence that the searches were needed, they nonetheless ruled that they would not second-guess corrections officials who said they feared that people like Mr. Florence would smuggle contraband into their jails."

Maybe this time Clarence Thomas will write for the majority.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 7, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I alternate between wanting to storm the streets of Wisconsin to make this idiot Walker go away and thinking this is what the GOP has been saying since Reagan. Lots of union people voted for these creeps. Why doesn't the media talk about how Walker fired union workers in Milwaukee (since reinstated by the courts), hired replacements from Wackenhut (Germany) who I think are still on the job (some with criminal records doing security work) and cost the city of Milwaukee plenty of money. Rachel Maddow has done several shows on this.

Posted by: LillithMc | March 7, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

"too funny" indeed Skippy. Scott Kochdaffi's approval ratings in Wisconsin are dropping like a rock.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 7, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Scott Kochdaffi's wife said that he such a cheapskate, that always wears the cheapest suit he can find.

He is starting to look like a living version of those Russian Dolls that fit inside each other; One Cheap Suit, Inside Another Cheap Suit!

Posted by: Liam-still | March 7, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

edit; he is such a cheapskate.....

Posted by: Liam-still | March 7, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"Ohio cruises along with SB5"

If you call kicking two Republicans off the committee to force it to come to the floor because they had problems with it cruises, then yeah, you're right.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | March 7, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The Ohio Republican Politburo would make Stalin feel proud of them.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 7, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Some few choice excerpts from Senate majority leader Scott Fitzgerald's reply to Miller:

" Sen. Mark Miller

" Parts Unknown, IL

"Thank you for your hand-delivered letter with an offer to meet, in Illinois, about the business and future direction of Wisconsin.

"Let’s set aside how bizarre that is for a moment.

"... There are hundreds of thousands of unemployed or underemployed Wisconsinites, and at least 1,500 more whose jobs are in the balance because of your media stunt. We all deserve better than this.

"In the meantime, members of your caucus have been meeting with the governor’s staff, talking to the media, trying to find a way back to Madison, and contradicting your message in public. In case you don’t remember, you were present yourself at one of those meetings with the governor’s staff. Your grasp of reality, and control of your caucus as minority leader, continues to amaze me.

"... I hope you are enjoying your vacation, and your vacation from reality."

Posted by: sbj3 | March 7, 2011 4:31 PM | Report abuse

GOP in Florida are seeking a constitutional amendment in the state to ELIMINATE the 7-seat FL SCOTUS.

They would replace it with a 5-seat criminal court and a separate 5-seat civil court. Of course, the governor would be able to pack the courts with at least 3 more business-friendly justices...

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/content/cannon-talks-pill-mills-courts-and-illegal-immigration

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 7, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

I think you are right here. That was a somewhat childish move on Walkers part. At the very least, it shows little understanding of human motivation. The public chiding and naming names *may* cost those Senators come re-election time, if this is not a dim memory by then, but I cannot see how he thought it would motivate them to come forth, especially if they were on the fence, as it were.

Doing the same thing, but leaving names unsaid would have not caused this problem, and THAT I could understand. Say what you want about the two named Democrats, even if calling them overly sensitive, it was a typical response that could be expected.

It could be rancor and frustration on the part of Walker -- I think I'd feel this right about now. It could be poor advice he is getting. Whatever caused him to do this, I think you are right. I can see this keeping the Democrats over the lines and out of his reach.

On the other hand, it gives MORE reason to pursue avenues such as "Right to Work" Laws that would not require even one Democrat, and could be argued to be just as effective a tool as the Law he has been banging on for some time. Concessions would be allowed at the INDIVIDUAL LEVEL at that point, and the Financial Bind he is in is well enough understood that many would fear losing their jobs, especially if they are the least senior and least protected by Union Rules. "Right to Work" is more popular than ever, and if the Unions tried to fight that one, I think that they would lose. Maybe he is just being crazy like a fox. I don't see it yet, but it could be...

BTW, I don't support his current bill after reading what I can on it. It could be tweaked slightly, and I then would buy it as fair. Right now, I think "Right to Work" (even though in the long run it could be more damaging to Unions unless they change and become reasonable in *all* their negotiations) is the way that allows him a lot of lattitude -- even to rehire people for the same jobs Sans Union Contracts. And it gets him better press. I don't know, but I think if he switches tracks, he could change the whole spin on everything and use the Liberal Spin against the Unions they seek to support without question. That would be hard, and I am not sure he is up to it if this current action was NOT planned for something like this...

;'{P

Posted by: Clearbrook | March 7, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Interesting compromise proposal floated for Wisconsin:

"But Senator Jon Erpenbach, another Democrat, said on Monday that there remained ways for the Republicans to persuade the Democrats to return to Madison. If the Republicans remove the issue of collective bargaining from the bill that Mr. Walker has described as an immediate “budget repair bill,” and instead make it part of the larger, two-year budget proposal to be considered in the next few months, Democrats would be satisfied, Mr. Erpenbach said. “Then there would be hearings, then there would be opportunities to really look at this,” he said."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/08/us/08wisconsin.html?hp

If I was Walker, I'd take this deal.

Posted by: jnc4p | March 7, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

@Liam

"The Ohio Republican Politburo would make Stalin feel proud of them."

And it makes skippy feel right at home. He loves supporting the Oligarchs over the people of Ohio...just like Russia.

Posted by: rukidding7 | March 7, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

The Wisconsin Fitzgerald Family operates much like the Qadaffi family operates in Libya.

Two Fitzgerald Brothers head the two Wisconsin State Assemblies, and Scott Kochdaffi recently appointed their father as head of The State Patrol.

Yes indeed, Wisconsin is now being run The Libyan Way.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 7, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

The whining is evident in the lack of real responses.

I particularly love the meme that Walker's approval ratings are dropping. The assumption, I guess, is that Walker should change course based on a "what will the neighbors say?" mindset. That's just too funny.

Here is something that Greg Sargent and Adam Serwer won't feed you guys. When Mitch Daniels pulled the plug on the civil service unions in Indiana his approval rating was 35%. Today it is 75% and there is talk of him running for the job Obama now has.
http://www.surveyusa.com/50State2006/50StateGovernor060412State.htm


Change is hard enough. It is even harder when the brats with their rice bowls in our faces behave badly. Yes, the unions are spending bux to sway public opinion now. They cannot sustain that forever and they know it.
A strong leader who stays the course will ultimately garner public support if the course they stay works out.

so spare me the poll number nonsense.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 7, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"... I hope you are enjoying your vacation, and your vacation from reality."

sbj,

That letter is a vacation from reality! LOL. It's really quite hilarious considering the EVENTS of the last three weeks.

I guess Scott Fitzgerald doesn't have a teevee? Or a computer? Doesn't get a newspaper? Doesn't read poll reports? Hasn't personally seen the rallies in front of HIS OFFICE for the last three weeks? Maybe he can plead "deaf, dumb AND blind."

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 7, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

what daniels did was very quiet at the time - it is now in the spotlight. whatever slim chance republicans had to the WH in 2012, walker, kasich and daniels are doing their part to ensure that tiny slim chance is completely eradicated. THANK YOU GOVERNORS!!!
sarah palin or michele bachmann on the 2012 ticket would be the only better gift to the democratic party in 2012 than scott walker.

Posted by: ebproducer | March 7, 2011 4:48 PM | Report abuse

When all is said and done, Walker will end up on top in all of this. It's the independents who will ultimatley matter here and it will now appear as though Cullen and Jauch were negotiating or at least willing to but then backed out only because their names were mentioned. What? Greg Sargent is viewing this very superficially and through his liberal perspective and wishful thinking.

Posted by: commonlogic | March 7, 2011 4:48 PM | Report abuse

The Teapublican inbreeds campaigned against what they deemed to be "oppressive government" at the federal level during the health care reform debate - even though millions of Americans will substantially benefit from expanded access to health care. But when actual government oppression rears its ugly head in Wisconsin, the Teabagger clowns claim that they support their precious Governor Walker? What a bunch of phonies, liars and hypocrites!


Wisconsin's Mullah Walker and other power-hungry Republicans in the Wisconsin state legislature (and their party brethren across the country), are attempting to unilaterally decree that henceforth virtually all public union activity will be controlled by the authoritarian state. Walker has even said that he may need to call in the National Guard. And the slack jawed Teabagger yokels support this statist takeover?


This is the same governor Walker who has lied about the state budget crisis, claiming erroneously that the salaries and benefits of public workers are to blame. When in actuality, the governor's tax cuts cuts for the rich program (according to Wisconsin's nonpartisan state budget office) was what turned a budget surplus into a budget deficit this year.


This is the same governor Walker who is engaging in blatant political favoritism and cronyism, by pledging to maintain the collective bargaining rights of the public unions who supported him in the last election (police, firefighters). Meanwhile, the rights of teachers, correction officers, social workers, and other public professionals are being attacked by Walker. Obviously, he's targeting their right to engage in collective bargaining, as a form of political payback for opposing him in the last election.


This is a clear statist attempt to destroy the more "Democratic leaning" unions, while protecting the more "Republican leaning" interest groups and other funding sources for Governor Walker and his like-minded authoritarian peers in the G.O.P. across the country.

Posted by: DrainYou | March 7, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

The Teapublican inbreeds campaigned against what they deemed to be "oppressive government" at the federal level during the health care reform debate - even though millions of Americans will substantially benefit from expanded access to health care. But when actual government oppression rears its ugly head in Wisconsin, the Teabagger clowns claim that they support their precious Governor Walker? What a bunch of phonies, liars and hypocrites!


Wisconsin's Mullah Walker and other power-hungry Republicans in the Wisconsin state legislature (and their party brethren across the country), are attempting to unilaterally decree that henceforth virtually all public union activity will be controlled by the authoritarian state. Walker has even said that he may need to call in the National Guard. And the slack jawed Teabagger yokels support this statist takeover?


This is the same governor Walker who has lied about the state budget crisis, claiming erroneously that the salaries and benefits of public workers are to blame. When in actuality, the governor's tax cuts cuts for the rich program (according to Wisconsin's nonpartisan state budget office) was what turned a budget surplus into a budget deficit this year.


This is the same governor Walker who is engaging in blatant political favoritism and cronyism, by pledging to maintain the collective bargaining rights of the public unions who supported him in the last election (police, firefighters). Meanwhile, the rights of teachers, correction officers, social workers, and other public professionals are being attacked by Walker. Obviously, he's targeting their right to engage in collective bargaining, as a form of political payback for opposing him in the last election.


This is a clear statist attempt to destroy the more "Democratic leaning" unions, while protecting the more "Republican leaning" interest groups and other funding sources for Governor Walker and his like-minded authoritarian peers in the G.O.P. across the country.

Posted by: DrainYou | March 7, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Scott Walker is a dim witted Fluffer for the Billionaire Koch Brothers.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 7, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Skip- I think you are right in your broader point about people losing interest over unions losing rights. Very few people are in unions so they forget the reform once there is no change in their own paycheck.

I'm not so sure that will be true for Gov. Walker because of his phone call with fake Kock among other things.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | March 7, 2011 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to go out of my way here to congratulate a Republican!

-Alexander plugs in to oil debate-

"Plugging in my new LEAF will give me the patriotic pleasure of not sending money overseas to people who are trying to blow us up," said Alexander in a statement after picking up his new black car in the morning.

Alexander, a vocal GOP supporter of electric cars, argues that plug-in vehicles are the best way for the country to avoid relying on foreign oil and climbing gas prices

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0311/Alexander_plugs_in_to_oil_debate.html

WELL DONE Senator Alexander!

Republicans who oppose green technology need to take the oil globs out of their ears and wake up to the reality that ENERGY EFFICIENCY through green technology is the best way to decrease the financial impact, on the American economy, of expensive OPEC oil -- which is tied to unstable and anti-democratic countries -- while at the same time creating non-outsourcable jobs in America.

I say again, "Well Done," Senator Alexander!

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 7, 2011 5:16 PM | Report abuse

And if Walker gets the state's finances corrected without a tax increase he'll be a hero.

yes his opponents can hammer him aobut the prank call. But if the track record is there, then Walker wins. It is just that simple.

Kasich faces a similar situation with much graver numbers. The talk shows in the cleveland area are about nothing but this stuff just now. The electorate is paying close attention. We're broke, and we're angry. I seriously doubt that another tax increase levy for the government will pass anytime soon.

The dysfunction of the government is a reality for many of us. the cuyahoga county government was so corrupt the citizens completely re did the charter. But this was only after the FBI arrested a few elected officials. The city and the surrounding communities were ravaged and now the govenor and the mayor have to work hard to keep the businesses already here from moving.

these are tough times. The foreclosure rate and the unemployment rate don't bode well for the government employees in any case.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 7, 2011 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Walker will win. The unions will lose. The Democrats will cry foul (big surprise). I for one see the need to make LONG TERM changes to the way Government does business not band aid solutions like Gov. Quinn has done in Illinois. He just kicked the stinky problem down the road. I give the press a nice try for demonizing Gov. Walker and all Republicans now and well into the future. But in three and a half years Walker will cruise to re-election. The best run states in the US are governed by the GOP. Their business and populations grow while Northern states shrink. California, for the first time in their history as a state, did not add one congressional representative after a census. Texas adds four. That should tell you a lot. More unions equal less business and fewer jobs. Right to work states continue to add new jobs in multipliers over non-right to work states.
I hope the press keeps supporting the unions and there excessive demands. Ultimately, American business will win. That means America wins!

Posted by: DennisSmolak | March 7, 2011 5:25 PM | Report abuse

John Ensign not going to seek reelection. Not sure what to make of this. It's Nevada, so it's winnable for Dems. Obama took it in 2008 and Reid last year. I don't think the Tea Party will be as active in 2012 as they were last year, so less of a chance of them getting an unelectable candidate nominated.

Dems have the advantage of an open seat, but the disadvantage of not getting to run against Ensign. Not sure which is more of an advantage.

But Republicans, feel free to continue to demonize Hispanics. I'm sure that's not going to affect the open seat races in Texas, Arizona, and now Nevada!

Posted by: DDAWD | March 7, 2011 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Were those 14 Democrats elected to protect the Unions, or the Taxpayers??????

Since unions are a very tiny portion of all workers, it seems to me that those 14
Democrats are protecting the Unions!

So, these 14 Democrats apparently think its
okay that public employee unions can wheel & deal with government and charge the Taxpayer for it., even though the taxpayer has no seat at the bargaining table.

And, to add insult to injury, the unions turn around and use taxpayer dollars to
campaign for "their candidates".

Does this sound fair to anyone?

Posted by: ohioan | March 7, 2011 5:41 PM | Report abuse

"to protect the Unions, or the Taxpayers?"

#GOPLOGICFAIL

Union members are taxpayers.

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 7, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree that if all this works out well, Walker could walk away (no pun intended) relatively unscathed. If voters are happy in the long run with the outcome, I doubt the fake Koch call looks any more despicable to voters than does refusing to allow a vote by staying out of the state.

Posted by: mobrien83 | March 7, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

"even though the taxpayer has no seat at the bargaining table."

This is the second Conservative to say this today. New Hannity meme?

Posted by: DDAWD | March 7, 2011 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Those 14 Democrats are defending the tiny portion of Union workers... at the Expense of the Majority of Taxpayers who are Non-Union and who don't have the same salary/
benefit/pension package as the unions!
That confirms--they're not too bright.

Posted by: ohioan | March 7, 2011 5:51 PM | Report abuse

well this is ignorance at its finest:
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But Republicans, feel free to continue to demonize Hispanics. I'm sure that's not going to affect the open seat races in Texas, Arizona, and now Nevada!

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Hmmm, I wonder how many guest appearances New MEXICO's new govenor Susanna Martinez will make during the next cycle? any Guesses Ddawd?

Just too funny. No doubt about it, Florida's new senator a uh, Mr Rubio, will no doubt have a say in the election too. In fact, aren't there a fair number of so called hispanics that ran and won as Republicans?

This is typical leftie drivel. Conservatives oppose illegal immigration. The left, ever the ones bragging about nuance, can't seem to tell the difference between that and opposing all hispanics. That's because the left's bigotry is so pronounced these days liberals can't even think straight. The liberals assume conservatives are all racist bigots. That's classic Clinton: blame others for what you yourselves are doing.

Fortunately for us the citizens are far smarter than the liberals. Just look at the 2010 election results. NO doubt folks like those in Idaho are just so uptight around hispanics that they would never elect a guy named Raul Labrador, right ddawd?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 7, 2011 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I thought the whole intent of the Missing14 was to delay the bill so everyone could see what's in it? I think we've all had time to see....so what is their motive now? Is it obstruction, becoming as you on the Left would call "the Party of No"? It can't be leading our state, or doing the will of the people, because we voted in Walker for a reason. It was to balance the budget. Sometimes it isn't pretty, but big boy decisions must be made at some point.

Posted by: ceebs12345 | March 7, 2011 6:00 PM | Report abuse

All, Happy Hour Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/03/happy_hour_roundup_200.html

Posted by: sargegreg | March 7, 2011 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"Hmmm, I wonder how many guest appearances New MEXICO's new govenor Susanna Martinez will make during the next cycle? "

Meh, I don't know the data, but I really doubt the governor has much predictive value. California seldom elects Dems to the top spot, Louisiana elects Dems to Baton Rouge regularly, Massachusetts had a famous Republican governor pretty recently and so on and so forth.

As for the GOP performance with Hispanics, if you think your party is doing a good job, then fine. No skin off my back. Neither your beliefs nor mine change reality. Keep doing what you're doing.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 7, 2011 6:09 PM | Report abuse

The Govenor needs to strip the financial parts out of the bill. He needs to take the increases for the health care and pensions and put them in his budget bill. Then the new bill with the collective bargaining provisions can be passed by a simple majority thus bypassing all this nonsense.

Then in the budget just reduce the allocation to localities by the amount of savings projected by employees paying into pensions and health care. If the localities decide to make up the difference thru higher taxes to continue to pay high union benefits thats fine. Those local politicians can make the case to local taxpayers that you need to pay higher taxes so local employees can make more money.

Posted by: bjeagle784 | March 7, 2011 6:28 PM | Report abuse

This probably won't end well for Walker.

Part of the problem with a zero-sum approach to a negotiation is that things can start unraveling very quickly if you overplay your hand -- you leave yourself no room for manuevering.

On top of this Walker has boxed himself in through his habitual dishonesty. If he call his opponents liars (as he effectively did today), he's already squandered so much credibility that a critical mass of people is unlikely to buy what he's selling. The bully trump card -- if things don't work, lie -- only appears to work with about 25 percent of the Wisconsin electorate at this point. Even among those Republicans who still support him, that support is no longer enthusiastic.

He's also burned bridges with the people on the other side.

Scott Walker's mouth and brain are his own worst enemies. Credibility is one of the hardest things to regain once it's lost. In Walkers world he seems to think about credibility entirely in terms of the power to intimidate. He only understands one mode of negotiation: I win, you lose. As most people tend to learn when they're teenagers -- it isn't always that way.

Posted by: JPRS | March 7, 2011 7:15 PM | Report abuse

""even though the taxpayer has no seat at the bargaining table." This is the second Conservative to say this today. New Hannity meme? Posted by: DDAWD"

OLD Republican meme, along with "lavish retirements" (Wisconsins median retirement benefit is $24,500 a year) and "High Pay" when the usually pay rate target is between the fiftieth and the seventy-fifth percentiles. Or it's "Why do the unions need to strike when they have such great benefits and pay" when, of course, they don't strike when they get benefits and pay, they strike when Republican Governors want to take them away. The truth isn't there, just the union busting ideology.

The question will be, do the citizens of the state decide that union busting is wrong BEFORE it ruins the States Education, Fire, Police, and Public Service sectors, or after.

Posted by: ceflynline | March 7, 2011 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Aren't you the guy who was against the Senate's filibuster rule . . but now supports the illegal flee-baggers hiding out in Illinois to prevent the majority from passing its legislation?

Hypocrisy . . there is no other term for it.

Posted by: mitchflorida | March 7, 2011 8:10 PM | Report abuse

We have now witnessed the transistion of the republican party into an outright marxist regieme. the prolitariat will not stand for any more overt communisim no matter how many Palins or Walkers they send out to be sacrificed for the cause of pure greed.

Posted by: anOPINIONATEDsob | March 7, 2011 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Scott Walker is a sociopath. He has been bought lock stock and barrel by the Koch brothers. Thank GOD the Dems are staying put. There is NO reasoning with this man, and this latest stunt just shows what a HUGE liar is. He thinks he is a master manipulator, but he isn't smart enough to manipulate. This is why he continually ends up with egg on his face. He is a disgrace to the office of Governor, and a disgrace to the state of Wisconsin. Like my dad always said, give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves. The dems are giving him plenty of rope, and look what he's doing with it. He has enormous opposition against him, and it is growing everyday. There are a lot of people who voted for him who say, "I voted for him, but not forTHIS." Helooooo, you voted for a Repubican, you voted for the party that is intent on crushing the middle class. Maybe it is a good thing, because it is exposing how the republicans are systematically trying to destroy our country state by state. I think those he duped are getting a HUGE eye opening. Better late than never I guess. Thank you to the Wisconsin 14- we LOVE you for what you are doing. Keep up the good work!!! Walker is heading toward self destruct, and we are witness to it all. Kind of like Charlie Sheen - WINNING!! (NOT!!!)

Posted by: coloredpencils | March 7, 2011 8:37 PM | Report abuse

The problem is Walker is trying, with the union provision and others, to undertake some sort of GOP revolution in a state that has long been closely politically divided. Does he not have the sophistication to see that this would backfire? Now the Democrats may win the presidential and the GOP won't be able to repeal health care. Oops.

Posted by: Casey13 | March 7, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Come to think of it, I think the GOP calculated that 2012 was unwinnable, and that they had to go to war on local levels to kneecap the Democratic Party. The GOP knows that demographics are working hard against them (more Hispanics, especially), and they must be running scared, worried about the longterm.

Posted by: Casey13 | March 7, 2011 8:49 PM | Report abuse

To Casey13- no Walker is not sophisticated in the least-what was your first clue?! He is in fact, a dullard, a buffoon paid to do the Koch brother's bidding -he is callously attempting to destroy our state, our people, our spirit and our livlihoods. THANK GOD this is happening, because it is showing the entire country what Republicans are about. THANK YOU WALKER, FOR YOUR STUPIDITY AND GREED. IT HAS TURNED OUT TO BE A BLESSING IN DISGUISE! You are in fact our silver lining to the cloud over Republican greed that has hung over our country for far too long. Keep on doing what your doing. You look more and more foolish with each passing day.

Posted by: coloredpencils | March 7, 2011 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Walker wont be recalled. Their is not enough population that wants to go through that. The democrats will get tired as they are now and come back. the bill will get passed. The economy will turn around. And people will get over it in 4 years when the next election comes around. So don't lose any more sleep over it because life will go on. Those democrats that ran from their job here in Texas when they didn't get their way are still a laughing stock. When one of my kids get made and runs off we call him the Texas seven. He gets even madder and says NO HE IS NOT. He knows what we are talking about.

Posted by: texasoil | March 7, 2011 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Walker wont be recalled. Their is not enough population that wants to go through that. The democrats will get tired as they are now and come back. the bill will get passed. The economy will turn around. And people will get over it in 4 years when the next election comes around. So don't lose any more sleep over it because life will go on. Those democrats that ran from their job here in Texas when they didn't get their way are still a laughing stock. When one of my kids get made and runs off we call him the Texas seven. He gets even madder and says NO HE IS NOT. He knows what we are talking about.

Posted by: texasoil | March 7, 2011 9:16 PM | Report abuse

By the way I am teaching my child not to run away from his problems like the democrats do. Stand your ground but never run away or back down.

Posted by: texasoil | March 7, 2011 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Taxpayers are fed up with public employee unions bargaining with government over our taxdollars.
Most taxpayers are NOT unionized and don't have the benefitsor pension that public employees have, yet we're forced to pay
for their's!
In addition, unions are using taxpayer dollars to campaign for "their candidates".
I wonder what would happen if a good tort
attorney sued the unions for the hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars they spent for political purposes?
Taxpayers are fed-up enough to pursue this, too.

Posted by: ohioan | March 7, 2011 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Re: Walker wont be recalled. Their is not enough population that wants to go through that.

There may be enough. I think what's needed is 25 percent of the voting population has to sign a petition. That's around 550,000 or so. It may happen.

Posted by: Casey13 | March 7, 2011 9:29 PM | Report abuse

And then there has to be an election, obviously. If it gets to that point, I think he will lose.

Posted by: Casey13 | March 7, 2011 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I live in Wisconsin. We are not used to this. This has been a very stable state, with some problems, for a long time. But the uproar created here is unbelievable. Almost all our major institutions are embroiled internally.

Walker wants to make a lot of radical changes that aren't getting national attention: privatizing welfare distribution and splitting off the Univ. of Wisconsin's major campus so the governor can appoint its board are just two examples.

This is too much, too fast. It's not even good for business here.

A sledge hammer is not the way to enact reforms. Some reforms are needed, but they should be done more gradually and gracefully.

I question how much Walker cares about this state; he lived in Colorado until he was 11, I believe.

Posted by: Casey13 | March 7, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Casey13, where did Barack Obama live until he was 10?

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 7, 2011 9:50 PM | Report abuse

A sledge hammer (ObamaCare) is not the way to enact reforms. Some reforms are needed, but they should be done more gradually and gracefully.

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 7, 2011 9:55 PM | Report abuse

True. I don't support ObamaCare, either.

Posted by: Casey13 | March 7, 2011 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Walker, and the people will come out winning in this ordeal of corruption by the Democrat/union people. Union/Democrats always claim to be doing something for the people. Nothing could be more removed from the truth. Union/Democrats want to continue to extort monies from the taxpayer, and disrrupt honest government and order. Union/Democrats are the epitome of discord, expense, and government corruption. Unions have no place in government. Unions have already driven most industry overseas. Now they feed on the taxpayer if they can. Unions will try every foul trick they can to maintain themselves to suck on our institutions via the taxpayer. Walker and the people who want a fair, honest government will win this fight!
The union mob will be exposed to the wrath of the people and be put down at the end of this..

Posted by: USDefender | March 7, 2011 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I don't like unions, either. But this mess is not working for this state. In fact, this move will serve to STRENGTHEN unions nationwide -- they are energized, when they had been declining.

Posted by: Casey13 | March 7, 2011 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Ultimately, American business will win. That means America wins!

==

Have some more of that bitter-almond Kool-Aid

Posted by: caothien9 | March 7, 2011 11:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm not in a union, but seriously, I don't hate unions. I think people should have collective bargaining rights. The whole problem with this is that our governor has to do everything fast and he can never back down.

He did this with the 800 million he turned down for high speed rail also. He thought he would get LaHood to give it to him for roads. LaHood said it was a grant that Wisconsin had won for rail. Walker gave away the money to other states. That left us with nothing.

His Achille's heal is that he cannot compromise. Not good for our state.

Posted by: georgia198305 | March 8, 2011 12:12 AM | Report abuse

While Dems continue paying a heavy price in Wisc, other states are passing legislation that completely abolishes public sector unions.
FDR was right. No public workers unions and their unholy alliance with the Democrat/Socialist Party.

Posted by: backsds | March 8, 2011 6:43 AM | Report abuse

this "editorial" piece almost glorifies the Dems (who abandoned their constituencies) rather than showwing them for who they are, weak and gutless politicians who obviously are getting their marching orders from the Union Thugs that fund them.

Posted by: pielusztcontractor | March 8, 2011 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Cutting back when broke is understandable. But why the union busting except for political purposes. And across the country stories of cutting that discretionary 15% of the national budget which supports women, children, the disabled, the old and ill. What has happened to this country? Doesn't anyone remember when big business ran everything? There were essentially the rich and the poor...not much of a middle class back then. I guess the schools aren't doing their job teaching the history of this country...the Gilded Age, the Robber Barons. Where are we, as a country, going with all this...back to the 18th and 19th centuries? My vote goes to those who will tax the uber rich and close corporate loopholes...then see how much cutting back is needed.

Posted by: crew260571 | March 8, 2011 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I think the Dems should play the same game Walker plays. No compromise! They should completely ignore Walker until he puts up a plan worth looking at. Until then they should make an all out effort to gather names for a recall in every republican ruled state thats considering selling out the work force and the only party that backs them. And don't forget that goofy King guy thats trying to get the American Muslims stirred up. He should be jail for inciting a riot and terrorism! The press is listening to every word the Dems say, so take advantage and start a write in campaign to recall the whole republican party. Or take the opportunity to smear them for the stupid choices that they make! Magnify their stupidity for the last 26 months!!

Posted by: kimkimminni1 | March 8, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

The difference between WI and most of the red states is that WI had an excellent public school system. In most red states, especially in the South, education is long gone. These "reforms" done by red state governors are a direct transfer of cash from government workers to multi-national corporations. They also include probably illegal changes in the law to prevent the public from having a voice in government. When Walker fired the union workers in Milwaukee, he hired a German security firm.
Not a surprise that Florida is changing its legal system to conform with the sell-out of the state. Only the Tea Party can believe that they are gaining "freedom" and being sold out at the same time.

Posted by: LillithMc | March 8, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

The problem in Wisconsin now is, trust is gone. Governor Walker and his sidemen Fitzgerald (I believe there are three of them?) have made it abundantly clear that they will resort to any tactic - bullying, legal threats, even deception - to see their agenda through. The 14 Democratic Senators now understand completely that anything any Republican says could very likely be doubletalk.

Even the Media - and while local coverage has been pretty good, the Nationals are still being cagey in their reportage - is losing credibility. Especially when it prints that meetings are happening when they are not, or that Republicans are changing their votes (which, hard as it is to believe, given public sentiment, they don't seem to be) when they are firmly in Walker's vanguard.

This is a foolish quarrel, and one which will not end well, whatever its disposition. Governor Scott Walker, and the entire Republican Party - and Tea Party, at least in its present incarnation - are increasingly on notice for their seeming disregard for human lives over corporate contributions to their election coffers> Their rash, hurtful budget cuts and seemingly retributive, punitive actions against those who are already bleeding - coupled with an "off-the-table" attitude toward increasing taxes on the very wealthy and corporations.

So much for "shared pain."

Besides, much more is at stake in Wisconsin than collective bargaining, which by itself would be cause for action. There are also issues with the unilateral powers the Governor has given himself in this bill - powers which normally be reserved to the People, such as selling off publicly held utilities. There are several such small paragraphs buried in this bill, misleadingly titled a "budget repair" bill, that would bear further examination by the public.

Scott Walker claims to have come to office with a "mandate," despite being elected by a minority of the voters in his state, and has used that excuse to bludgeon a budget that required finesse, imagination and fearlessness in standing up to Business and the Wealthy. It looks increasingly as though his covert agenda of dismantling democracy in Wisconsin is meeting with strong voter resistance... and echoing throughout the halls of democracy across America.

Posted by: RoughAcres | March 9, 2011 12:38 AM | Report abuse

USDefender - Public workers work hard and earn their pay just like everyone else, and it then belongs to them. Since when is it still taxpayer's money. Public workers pay mortgages and car loans and electric bills and file tax returns just like everyone else. They get college degrees and take night classes and do laundry and cleaning and cook supper after they get home from work just like everyone else. If they are union members they pay dues with money they have earned - it no longer belongs to taxpayers. If you work for a private company they pay you for doing a job - it's your money now that you've earned it? Do the stockholders and family members begrudgingly pay you and claim you are sucking their money from them? I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate being treated that way.

Posted by: bapackerfan | March 9, 2011 1:07 AM | Report abuse

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