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Posted at 3:22 PM ET, 03/11/2011

Wisconsin 14 planning "homecoming" march on capitol tomorrow

By Greg Sargent

The fourteen Wisconsin Democrats who have been on the lam for weeks are all returning to the state tonight -- and will celebrate their return with a march together on the capitol tomorrow meant to signal that they fully intend to fight on, a state senator confirms to me.

The 14 Dems will join together and walk to the capitol Saturday in what amounts to a celebration of their "homecoming," senator Chris Larson said in an interview a few moments ago.

The move is meant to signal that even if Governor Scott Walker was able to push through his proposal rolling back bargaining rights, the Democrats' decision to return does not represent an acknowledgement of defeat. Instead, they're returning home to join the battle to recall the Republicans who supported Walker.

"Tomorrow all 14 of us will head to the capitol, where we're going to thank the people of Wisconsin for stepping up," Larson told me. "We'll be marching to the capitol -- it is a homecoming." Once at the capitol, the Dems will join a rally that's already been scheduled.

In another sign that national liberal groups are priming for a long recall fight, the Progressive Change Campaign Committee will announce today that they are opening an official recall campaign committee in the state.

"Recalls of the Republicans are kicking into high gear as clipboards begin to replace protest signs in neighborhoods across the state," Larson said in an email to PCCC supporters. "Governor Walker and Republican senators refused to listen to the public -- but now the people will be heard all across the state at the ballot box."

The question now remains whether labor, liberal groups and Wisconsin Dems can sustain momentum for the recall drives, now that the national media is largely treating the Wisconsin standoff as a dead issue. Nearly $2 million has poured in thus far from Dems around the country to support the recall drives, suggesting the Democratic base, at least, will remain intensely invested in the next chapter of this fight for some time to come.

By Greg Sargent  | March 11, 2011; 3:22 PM ET
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Comments

Greg or others- Any info available about how they verify the legitimacy of signatures on recall petitions?

Posted by: mobrien83 | March 11, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

It is a dead issue now.

Nobody cares but the DemoUnion moneybaggers and the WaPo bobbleheads.

On to better things.

Like...........

Posted by: battleground51 | March 11, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

The GOP WI Senate has "poisoned the well" in their betrayal in Madison the other night. I don't see that there is any way in hell that the 14 can work any longer with their colleagues across the aisle, except for that lone Senator who voted NO. I guess the word from Rove never reached him. Do a recall on 8 of them and all you will need is 3 booted out to take over the Senate, and then deal with Walker later this year.

Posted by: filmnoia | March 11, 2011 3:44 PM | Report abuse

"DemoUnion moneybaggers"

So pathetic and full of hate.

What do you think about David Koch, there battleground? Is he a "moneybagger"?

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 11, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

"It is a dead issue now."

He wishes.

The fight continues.

Posted by: Alex3 | March 11, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Mobrien

The Madison chapter of ACORN will verify all signatures and certify their audacity.

Obama has sent some of his NBP brothers out to enforce the rules.

Don't worry about it anymore.

It's handled!

Posted by: battleground51 | March 11, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

sooo, It seems that adhering to principles and standing firm on committments to voters is "poisoning the well".

so be it.

The simple fact is that the Democrats lost on this one. Not a huge loss, but one of many thus far.

slowly but surely the American taxpayers are realizing how much trouble we are in as a country.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 11, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

battleground51- I am cracking up over here.

Posted by: mobrien83 | March 11, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Scott Walker for getting rid of thousands of well paying public sector jobs! I hope all of their houses get foreclosed on and that all of the businesses that rely on these peeople's daily business get buried too.

Posted by: nevets2sherwoo | March 11, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Trouble? Like handing over all of the control and power to the few wealthy elite? There is you next big problem taxpayer.

Posted by: nevets2sherwoo | March 11, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Well, battleground?

Is David Koch a "moneybagger"???

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 11, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

The Magnificent Fourteen should force Walker to have them arrested. Then they should start writing their letters from George Curley Walker's Birmingham jail.

Just like Wallace, Walker will go down in history as just another fascist who stood in the schoolhouse door.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 11, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey Skippy just had to repost this from the previous thread because you insist Walker is "standing firm on commitments"..

Find the quote during the campaign where Walker said

"My goal and plan is to strip state and local workers of 99% of their collective bargaining rights to weaken democrats in the next election cycle. I pledge to worsen the state deficit with $140 million in tax breaks to corporations and other pet projects and then whine about how the state doesn't have any money. I will do this, by claiming that the need to strip union rights is a fiscal issue for 3 weeks and then pass the measure as a non fiscal bill in the dead of night with no debate."

Addendum: "Oh and by the way, I want to allow no bid contracts for buying state assets because I need to reward my corporate cronies."

That is truth in advertising.

He would have gotten about 15% of the vote (that would be the Palin--"tea party" crowd that says "keep your government hands off my medicare and social security and get off my lawn!" Orwell would be so proud.

Posted by: srw3 | March 11, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"Any info available about how they verify the legitimacy of signatures on recall petitions?"

If WI is like here (MI), they verify the signatures against the voter rolls at the precinct where the person is registered.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 11, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I really do hope that the unions continue their 'recall' efforts. The louder they get, the more clueless and out-of-touch the Dems look.

It's the same reason that I want the left to keep making a fuss about manmade global warming, btw.

Posted by: snibbor0 | March 11, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"The move is meant to signal that ... the Democrats' decision to return does not represent an acknowledgement of defeat."

How surreal! Bunuel would be envious.

Posted by: sbj3 | March 11, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

The Democrat 14 will be joined by tens of thousands. On Wisconsin!

Posted by: georgia198305 | March 11, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Celebrate ??? ... celebrate what ??? ... you lefties have completely lost touch with reality and it gets more clear to more people every day ... you don't have the maturity to govern in a majority role because you act like spoiled teenagers when things don't go your way ... that ain't life baby ... grow up and get a grip ...

Posted by: cunn9305 | March 11, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are the best Political Party that The Oligarchs could buy.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 11, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Celebrate the fact that the Republicans have shown to the world their total evil agenda against the poor and the middle class. Now we know what we are up against.

Now, I should perhaps not say they "all" are evil. There were 4 Republicans in the Assembly and 1 Republican Senator who voted against this bill.

It is good to be fiscally conservative, it is not good to crush your own middle class.

RECALL WALKER!

Posted by: georgia198305 | March 11, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Hi everybody! Great comments!

Are they sure they want to come back? All the Republicans have to do is bring back the original bill and vote on it. Then even the legal challenge, longshot that it is, is mute. That means the 4/5 election gets deflated as well. It's not like the R's have anything to lose. Seems silly to risk it until court challenges are over, no? I don't get it.

Thanks for reading! (or not!) :-)

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 11, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Godspeed, you magnificent cheese-headed bastards.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

By the way, Politifact Wisconsin checked on Michael Moore's statement about 400 individuals being super wealthy and having more money than a huge percentage of Americans combined. He was telling the truth.

Billionaires: Stop corrupting politics. How un-American. You should be ashamed.

Posted by: georgia198305 | March 11, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

"Godspeed, you magnificent cheese-headed bastards."

Comment of the Week!

Posted by: sbj3 | March 11, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

"...you act like spoiled teenagers when things don't go your way ... that ain't life baby ... grow up and get a grip ...."

Say what? Who are the ones who refused to recognize that a Democrat is in the White House and holds the majority in one of the legislative branches.

Posted by: atronetti | March 11, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

hi Troll!

Picking up on your comment on the earlier thread, you're right about the dems coming back. i think if they want to be safe, they should nuke it from obit, it's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | March 11, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Is Fox News, the preferred viewing source, for almost all Tea Party Birther types?

Posted by: Liam-still | March 11, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Troll - "mute" means "non-speaking".

Points don't become "mute"; they become "moot", a word which means in this context "deprived of practical significance: made abstract or purely academic."

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

*Leftist-Fascism Update*

18 Different Republicans Receive Death Threats in Less Than One Week
http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/article/20110311/WDH0101/303110067/Multimedia-18-GOP-senators-report-getting-death-threats

*new civility*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 11, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

once again srw3, collective bargaining isn't a right. It is a privlege. So your entire diatribe is based on a false premise.

so there.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 11, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Live: Walker Rally @ Wassau airport
http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/article/20110310/WDH0101/110310070/Police-prepare-Walker-s-arrival-Wausau

"Police have stretched yellow police scene tape across the parking lot to separate the two groups. The anti-Walker is loudest right now (thanks to the use of a bullhorn), but the pro-Walker crowd is larger."

*Walker-mania!*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 11, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Somewhere in Libya, the Libyan version of cunn is saying: "... you act like spoiled teenagers when things don't go your way ... that ain't life baby ... grow up and get a grip ... what do you think this is, a democracy? Now bow before Dear Leader Quaddafi."

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The Dem14 did something that I have only seen Bernie Sanders do. That's the guy from Vermont that did his own super long filibuster talking about how Congress was giving all the tax cuts to the super wealthy.

The Dem14 actually DID something politically risky. They have restored my faith in humanity.

If more people stood up for what is right, we wouldn't be in this mess.

To those of you putting down the Wisconsin people, may I remind you that our public workers and teachers are taking huge paycuts. We are all most disgusted at the way our Republicans have been operating.

To everybody else, "Thank-you" and God Bless Japan.

Posted by: georgia198305 | March 11, 2011 4:19 PM | Report abuse

When Democrats were in control of the White House, The Senate, and The House, did those Tea Party Protesters act like Adults or Children, when they kept on throwing tantrums, and screaming about how they wanted to take back "their country". Hmmmmm.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 11, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, funny how Walker can only show up at airports where the cameras can't get a real view of the number of protesters lining the streets every time he shows up.

Posted by: georgia198305 | March 11, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

The Right Wing cave dwellers are already making excuses about recall petitions being tainted. I guess they are starting to see the hand writing on the wall. Some of these GOP senators are going down, and Walker within the year.
I still stand by my prediction - he will not be heading the WI delegation in Tampa next summer. More than likely he will be the manager of one of the WI power plants that he will be selling to Koch for a buck.

Posted by: filmnoia | March 11, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

"hi Troll!

Picking up on your comment on the earlier thread, you're right about the dems coming back. i think if they want to be safe, they should nuke it from obit, it's the only way to be sure."

Classic! I also dropped a Spinal Tap reference last night.

Jenn, thanks for that! My mistake. I know the difference and wrote "mute" any! D'oh!

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | March 11, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Walker hates School Teachers, because he got poor grades and had to drop out of College.

We now have the situation in Wisconsin, where a guy, who could not qualify to be a school teacher, is destroying the Wisconsin Public Schools.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 11, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey skippy, whining about semantics doesn't change the fact that you can't dispute that Walker never campaigned on stripping union workers of their legal access to collective bargaining and giving no bid contracts for state assets. I guess you are all for allowing Walker cronies to steal the state blind. That's the free market at work!

Posted by: srw3 | March 11, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I always thought Sarah Palin was on the side of the "common" man. Now she is saying that union members are "thugs". I have been avoiding her, but saw some article where she said that. I thought she liked lower and middle class people? Does she stand for big business too? I honestly didn't have that impression, until now.

Posted by: georgia198305 | March 11, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"Walker hates School Teachers, because he got poor grades and had to drop out of College."

I think you're onto something tbh.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | March 11, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"We now have the situation in Wisconsin, where a guy, who could not qualify to be a school teacher, is destroying the Wisconsin Public Schools."


Irony, anyone?

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 11, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

filmnoia wrote:

"The GOP WI Senate has "poisoned the well" in their betrayal in Madison the other night. I don't see that there is any way in hell that the 14 can work any longer with their colleagues across the aisle, except for that lone Senator who voted NO. I guess the word from Rove never reached him. Do a recall on 8 of them and all you will need is 3 booted out to take over the Senate, and then deal with Walker later this year."

Heya Greg,

"The question now remains whether labor, liberal groups and Wisconsin Dems can sustain momentum for the recall drives, now that the national media is largely treating the Wisconsin standoff as a dead issue. Nearly $2 million has poured in thus far from Dems around the country to support the recall drives, suggesting the Democratic base, at least, will remain intensely invested in the next chapter of this fight for some time to come."

Whoot! Honesty in calling them what they are: "...labor, liberal groups and Wisconsin Dems..." Most people would only write it that way if they were tired and thought they were only talking to that subset of their friends that think the same as they do. FOr whatever the reason, I think I owe you thanks for the breath of fresh air on that one. Thanks also for printing about that $2 million. I assume that is private donations and *not* from the Union Coffers with everyone looking. BTW, the Unions are worth MORE in this country than the Catholic Church. And that is one mean feat!

Another point to consider in this victory parade is this: Despite not having the major funding driving them with out of state money, a few truely grass-roots recalls are being pushed for on a few of those Democrats as well. While it may be true that a net recall of 3 of eight Republicans could break their majority, a net recall of only ONE Democrat would doom any future use of the manuever they just did as being completely useless. And *that* idea is not lost on the people of Wisconsin. Check the polls. They are all over the board on this one, so I think the Recall Noise is Big and Brassy Indeed! Sounds like a Union Move to me! They are hoping that BIG MONEY can carry the day for them. I hope we prove them wrong in trying to BUY these elections, so that they can turn around and stick it to the taxpayers again!

Posted by: Clearbrook | March 11, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh skippy, I forgot to add claiming that denying union workers access to collective bargaining was essential to a budget package for 3 weeks and then passed those measures under a rule that states that the measure would have no fiscal impact.

Posted by: srw3 | March 11, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Do you who are in Wisconsin think it is "fair" to boycott businesses that supported Walker?

I understand why they want to do that. But I do wonder if it is fair. Surely some of the same people boycotting will be people who voted for Walker.

In fact, I have noticed that the firemen and police officers and teachers (many who were Republicans to begin with) are the most angry.

But, couldn't it be argued that the store chain KWIK TRIP or the M&I Bank didn't know either that Walker would union bust?

I mean nobody knew he was going to bust unions. So how can his contributors be blamed now? Didn't the Teamsters even give his campaign money?

Posted by: georgia198305 | March 11, 2011 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Mike,

And Republicans always claim that private schools will do a better job of educating kids, but it was a Private Catholic University that flunked Walker, so he must really be a complete Turnip.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 11, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"CORRUPTION OF DEMOCRACY"???

I would hope that the only Re-Call's that are being considered is the Re-Call (Firing) of 14 Dem. that went AWOL from their duties representing the people who elected them. The ability to DESERT the very people they swore to represent should be a Crime within itself. Those 14 Senators should be replaced by the people of WI so that the buisness of running the state can continue. As a SOLDIER... if i were to cross the border to avoid my duties....what would be done to me???? I'm thinking "JAIL TIME"...or at the very least..it would be a CAREER STOPPERS. Why are these So Called Senators still employeed....Leave them in ILL and let them get a job there if they can.

HOMECOMING???? Go Back To ILL. your more loyal there.


Posted by: davisbja | March 11, 2011 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Funny how all the trolls here wouldn't think twice about a private business firing an employee for insubordination, yet they think that somehow an elected official, who is our employee, should be immune from being fired for insubordination.

And make no mistake, when you try to implement a stealth agenda you never campaigned on, knowing full well that the majority of your employers disagree with said agenda, that's insubordination. Walker and other Republicans are going to get fired over this, as well they should. The only difference is that unlike in the private sector, Wisconsinites are forced by law to hang on to the insubordinate employees for at least a year before they can be fired. But it will happen.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 4:34 PM | Report abuse

It isn't whining and it isn't semantics. The employees never had a "right" so no "rights" were lost.

They were foolishly granted a privlege, which they promptly abused. Now they have lost some portion of that privlege.

please note that they still have more privlege that the federal employees. But why quibble with facts right?

and th eno bid stuff makes little sense. If you wish to level yet another unfounded accusation, why do so by all means.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 11, 2011 4:34 PM | Report abuse

@SRW,

Walker is a liar.

Skippy loves liars.

Pretty much all you need to know, right?

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 11, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

[georgia198305 drooled: "Palin... is saying that union members are "thugs".]

Now where would she get that idea?

VIDEO: Union Thug Foams at the Mouth: ‘Wussy MotherF**kers, I’ll Make You Pay, Tea Baggers’
http://biggovernment.com/eyeblasttv/2011/02/27/union-thug-foams-at-the-mouth-wussy-motherfkers-ill-make-you-pay-tea-baggers/

*Hippies Still Smell*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 11, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

How rude!

Posted by: georgia198305 | March 11, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

VIDEO EVIDENCE: WI union protester threatens to break Fox News reporter Mike Tobin’s neck
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/wi-union-protester-threatens-to-break-fox-news-reporter-mike-tobin-s-neck#ixzz1FGm5KxOU

Don't be union thug-huggers your whole lives, toadies.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 11, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how much money the unions will collect from employees now that the state won't be deducting the dues from their checks.

yes, the new law grants additional freedom to the state employees. The don't have to pay dues. My bet is that most of them won't.

that;s the real issue here: the unions are losing their golden seam. the millons of dollars in easy money won't be rolling in. And frustrated state employees who were tired of seeing their money confiscated from them only to be spent in ways that they didn't like will be able to keep their money and starve the political machine that was working against them.

this is a great day for democracy.

When SB5 gets signed in Ohio another bunch of employees will be liberated and the voters of that state will no longer have to over come a political machine that not only works against them but uses taxpayer funds to do so.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 11, 2011 4:42 PM | Report abuse

VIDEO EVIDENCE: WI Union Thug verbally assaults teenager
http://biggovernment.com/bhennessy/2011/02/27/union-thug-talks-dirty-to-17-year-old-handing-out-copies-of-the-constitution/

*so progressive!*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 11, 2011 4:42 PM | Report abuse

We have to start a nationwide boycott of Wisconsin goods, and no one should travel to that state, or any of the other Union busting states.

We can not start to go all soft, about how some people's livelihood might get hurt by such Boycotts, or no one can ever use the Boycott option against any evil practices.

When the people in County Mayo first came up with the method, to use against the tyrannical British Plantation Land Grabber, Captain Boycott, some of the desperately poor people of the Irish village, also got hurt economically, but they won the day, and that is how the word Boycott came into the English language.

This is a war, to preserve the way of life for future working class Americans, and like any fight for justice and equality, there will be some innocent people that get caught in the crossfire, but if we let that stop us, then no one can ever stand up to tyrants, anywhere or anytime.

Boycott all the Union Busting States, and all the products being marketed by The Oligarchs, who are funding the Union Busters.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 11, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Well Troll, i sure hope the Dems know what they're doing, after all, "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever."

Posted by: NoVAHockey | March 11, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Video EVIDENCE: Rhode Island union supporter to cameraman – “I’ll f* you in the @ss, you f@ggot”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNBkcpgPkuY&feature=player_embedded

Don't incite union gay-bashers your whole career, Greg.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 11, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

How dare you call me a "hippie", you unpatriotic jerk.

Posted by: georgia198305 | March 11, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Poor Kaddafi; he's been so well-trained into knee-jerk fear response by his GOP masters that now he wets his pants over the "threat" posed by a bunch of schoolmarms.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"...so he must really be a complete Turnip.

Ha! As is said in the movie, THE THING - "An intellectual carrot - the mind boggles". It's his eyes. Eric Cantor has it, as do Santorum and Bachmann. Chris Matthews seems to think Bachmann is hypnotized, but I just think that the GOP has some farm out in southern Indiana where they create these pod people. It's like a friggin franchise for double digit IQs they have going. Rove is the only one in their party with a functioning brain cell, even if it is malignant.

Posted by: filmnoia | March 11, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Leftist civility update:

"Rep. Gordon Hintz, D Oshkosh, apologized to Rep. Michelle Litjens, R-Winneconne, for shouting out an obscenity that included the words “you’re dead” that Litjens and other witnesses heard in the chaotic scene after Republicans approved the bill."

http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20110228/OSH0101/110228167/State-Rep-Gordon-Hintz-apologizes-comments-made-Assembly-floor-following-budget-repair-bill-vote

*Fry Mumia*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 11, 2011 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Great, first they said people within 10 clicks of the plant should stay inside and those within 3 were evacuated, now they are saying, after the radioactive steam is already in the air, the 10k circle has to evacuate.

"Radiation levels at the damaged Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant are continuing to rise. The Jiji Press news agency says the levels are eight times above normal. Its report also cites a ministry official as saying there is a "possibility of a radioactive leak".

Japan's Prime Minister Naoto Kan has just announced that residents living within 10km (6.2 miles) of the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear station must evacuate their homes, according to the Kyodo news agency. The authorities had earlier told some 3,000 residents living within 3km (1.9 miles) to leave. The Tokyo Electric Power Company has said radiation may already have been released at the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant."

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I think I will go back to making signs for tomorrow's rally and stop name calling. Forgive me everyone, I don't have anything necessarily against "hippies", but I just don't really get that whole lifestyle. Anyway, I am usually able to ignore rude comments, so good-bye.

Posted by: georgia198305 | March 11, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Dem. and I want those Senator's GONE!!! They DESERTED/AWOL there appointed place of duty. They didn't do anything but help the REP in 2012. And they deserted us that elected them. GO BACK To ILL. You must be more loyal to Chicago.

Posted by: davisbja | March 11, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

It is starting to appear like Japan must have their very own "Heck Of A Job Brownie" in charge of their Emergency Response.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 11, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Well, that's certainly a deep thought.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

[JennOfArk: "he wets his pants over the "threat" posed by a bunch of schoolmarms."]

Don't be so hard on Greg. He can't control every bedwetting outburst over those "violent" TEA grannies.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 11, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

"Meanwhile, officials in Washington have said the US military did not provide any coolant to a nuclear plant in Japan. Earlier, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said US Air Force "assets" had been used to do so."

I sure hope all of the people who want America to go nuclear understand that these plants need lots and lots of water. They can not be built in the desert. They have to be built on shore lines and or alongside rivers. They can not, simply put, be built in safe places.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Alex3, perhaps you missed the part where GREG said that "the national media is largely treating the Wisconsin standoff as a dead issue"? Turn on the TV or radio, it's all Japan today.

Liam-still, no one has to be "arrested" anymore, since they are voluntarily coming back to the Capitol. The Republicans should get a big cake for them set up in the Senate chambers and, once they are in there, get the 3/5ths quorum this time BEFORE re-introducing the full budget repair bill with an initial sentence "repealing in whole and replacing" then there won't be anymore questions about illegal votes, lack of notice, etc.

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 11, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

A National Boycott.

A National Boycott.


We have to start a nationwide boycott of Wisconsin goods, and no one should travel to that state, or any of the other Union busting states.

We can not start to go all soft, about how some people's livelihood might get hurt by such Boycotts, or no one can ever use the Boycott option against any evil practices.

When the people in County Mayo first came up with the method, to use against the tyrannical British Plantation Land Grabber, Captain Boycott, some of the desperately poor people of the Irish village, also got hurt economically, but they won the day, and that is how the word Boycott came into the English language.

This is a war, to preserve the way of life for future working class Americans, and like any fight for justice and equality, there will be some innocent people that get caught in the crossfire, but if we let that stop us, then no one can ever stand up to tyrants, anywhere or anytime.

Boycott all the Union Busting States, and all the products being marketed by The Oligarchs, who are funding the Union Busters.


Posted by: Liam-still | March 11, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

*Leftist-Fascist Civility Update*

VIDEO: New Black Panther Leader Justifies Gang Rape of 11-Year-Old Hispanic Girl
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/local/110310-quanell-x-stages-rally-in-cleveland

Quanell X told the gathering. “You mean to tell me the only men that had sex with that girl were black men, locked up in that jail?”

The activist cast blame on the parents of the alleged victim, whom some describe as a willing participant in the sexual activity, at least initially.

*paging Eric Holder*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 11, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh.

"The Kyodo news agency is now citing a safety panel as saying that the radiation level inside one of the reactors at the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant is 1,000 times higher than normal." BBC

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

employee paychecks are not taxpayer funds. Taxpayer funds are used to pay them, but taxpayers don't have a claim on that money in perpetuity. If I choose to spend my paycheck on pornography, you can't stop me on the grounds that you don't want taxpayer money to be used for watching donkeys go at it. As soon as it hits my bank account, it's not taxpayer money anymore.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 11, 2011 4:58 PM | Report abuse

shrink2, the Palo Verde PWR (Pressurized Water Reactor) is way out in the middle of the desert.

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 11, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

*Gweg wuvs polls*

Gallup: Of 7 possible ways to balance their own states’ budgets, Americans are most likely to favor cutting back on state programs (65 percent) and reducing the number of state workers (62 percent).
http://www.gallup.com/poll/146525/Americans-Message-States-Cut-Dont-Tax-Borrow.aspx

*TEA-rific!*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 11, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

shrink2 you said:
"They can not be built in the desert"

Yet there is the palo verde nuclear plant in Arizona. How did they manage that?

Here in ohio we have Davis-Bessey on the shores of lake erie. There is a fault line in the lake but it is only active at the eastern end, not the western end where the plant is.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 11, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"you don't want taxpayer money to be used for watching donkeys go at it."

Several SEC employees disagrees.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | March 11, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

KDE, since battleground ran away like a coward, maybe you can help me with a simple question:

Is David Koch a "moneybagger"?

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 11, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

well this is nonsense:
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employee paychecks are not taxpayer funds. Taxpayer funds are used to pay them, but taxpayers don't have a claim on that money in perpetuity. If I choose to spend my paycheck on pornography, you can't stop me on the grounds that you don't want taxpayer money to be used for watching donkeys go at it. As soon as it hits my bank account, it's not taxpayer money anymore.

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but the fact remains prior to the change in WI, the labor unions had a great scam going. The "dues" were mandatory. The state took them right from the employee.

Now if the employee gets a full paycheck and choses to give some of that money to the union, fine. But no one should be forced to pay union dues.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 11, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Sure, there is still some water under the desert, if the Southwest wants to use it in that way the Southwest is even crazier than I thought. When I see all the fountains in Scottsdale, the swamp by my brother's leaking sprinkler in Tempe, I think, where are all these people going to go when they use it all up? In the Swest, water is a the herd of camels in the room and you know how bad tempered camels are and how bad they smell.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2011 5:06 PM | Report abuse

[Ethan gargled: "Is David Koch a "moneybagger"?]

Why are Leftists so obsessed with Kochs and bagging?

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 11, 2011 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Those darn hot microphones!

"Republican Iowa State Rep. Jeff Kaufmann, speaker pro tem of the Iowa State House, was caught joking on a hot mic that a proposal which would allow state residents to carry weapons in public without permission from a sheriff and without any training or a background check might better be called the "give-a-handgun-to-a-schizophrenic-bill."

The Des Moines Register reports that the comment was caught on video during a discussion of House Study bill 219, the so-called "Alaska carry" legislation after a similar law in Alaska.

As the members discuss pulling Rep. Ron Jorgenson from leading debate on a controversial union collective bargaining bill, Rep. Erik Helland, jokes that he's going to get stuck carrying the bill because he's the "dirty hatchet man for the caucus" because he's "expendable."

When another lawmaker asks what the "Alaska carry" bill is, Kaufmann helpfully explains that it is "the crazy, give-a-handgun-to-a-schizophrenic bill" before someone informs them that the microphone is on."

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/iowa_goper_dubs_nra-backed_legislation_give-a-hand.php?ref=fpblg

Posted by: suekzoo1 | March 11, 2011 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Skip,

Is having the central government shift tax revenue from the Middle Class to corporations Big Government or Small Government?

Just curious.

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 11, 2011 5:07 PM | Report abuse

"Hey mom, there's a guy at the front door and he says his name is Guido and he's from the teacher's union and he says that he's here to collect your union dues."

"Well son, just tell him that the dues were deducted from my paycheck."

"Mom, Guido says that your dues are no longer deducted and the union wants its money."

"Son, just tell Guido that I'll send a check."

"Mom, Guido wants to know if you are right- or left-handed."

Posted by: drowningpuppies | March 11, 2011 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey skippy, still not willing to own up to the fact that Walker didn't campaign on what he did. You can try to obfuscate this with your semantic games, but Walker didn't campaign on stripping legal worker's legal access to collective bargaining. Do you think that the two unions that he DIDN'T INCLUDE are somehow more virtuous than the ones he did? Do you think he would have gotten their endorsements if he had been honest about his plan to decimate workers' access to collective bargaining? Walker is a typical repiglican lying sack of steaming excrement. And the no bid contracts are in the bill...

The fight in Wisconsin is over Governor Walker’s 144-page Budget Repair Bill.... Check out this language, from the same bill:

16.896 Sale or contractual operation of state−owned heating, cooling, and power plants. (1) Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the department may sell any state−owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, ***with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state.*** Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).

The bill would allow for the selling of state-owned heating/cooling/power plants without bids and without concern for the legally-defined public interest. This excellent catch is from Ed at ginandtacos.com (who, speaking of Madison, took me to the Essen Haus on my 21st birthday, where the night began to go sideways). Ed correctly notes:

If this isn’t the best summary of the goals of modern conservatism, I don’t know what is. It’s like a highlight reel of all of the tomahawk dunks of neo-Gilded Age corporatism: privatization, no-bid contracts, deregulation, and naked cronyism. Extra bonus points for the explicit effort to legally redefine the term “public interest” as “whatever the energy industry lobbyists we appoint to these unelected bureaucratic positions say it is.”

In case it isn’t clear where the naked cronyism comes in, remember which large, politically active private interest loves buying up power plants and already has considerable interests in Wisconsin. Then consider their demonstrated eagerness to help Mr. Walker get elected and bus in carpetbaggers to have a sad little pro-Mubarak style “rally” in his honor. There are dots to be connected here, but doing so might not be in the public interest.

http://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/the-less-discussed-part-of-walkers-wisconsin-plan-no-bid-energy-assets-firesales/

Posted by: srw3 | March 11, 2011 5:09 PM | Report abuse

[Ethan gargled: "Is David Koch a "moneybagger"?]

You didn't answer the question.

Is David Koch a moneybagger?

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 11, 2011 5:09 PM | Report abuse

[Ethan gargled: "Is David Koch a "moneybagger"?]

What's wrong, Ethan. Did billionaire sugar daddy George Soros turn down your petition to sponsor your float for the How-Berkeley-Can-You-Be-Day parade?
zombietime.com/how_berkeley_can_you_be/

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 11, 2011 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Wisconsin Boycott:

Oshkosh B'Gosh and all that CHEESE, of course (better for California cheese), Huffy Sports, McDermott Billiards, Trek Bicycle Corp., Organic Valley, Harley Davidson, and Miller Brewing Co.

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 11, 2011 5:13 PM | Report abuse

[Liam gargled: "Boycott all the Union Busting States"]

Idaho Legislature Passes Wisconsin-Style Bill Limiting Teachers Union Collective Bargaining Powers
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110309/ap_on_re_us/us_teachers_union_idaho

*No Blood for Potatoes!*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 11, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Sue,

Did you catch the news report about the NRA march on Springfield, Illinois, to protest against having the names of gun nuts, with concealed carry permits, having their names being available to the public.
They say they are afraid, that letting people know that they own guns, might put them in danger.

It is like an Onion bit, but it is actually true. The NRA gun nuts, who have to have handguns for self protection, are now howling that having those guns might put them in danger.

Like I have always said: The NRA Handgun Nuts, are the most cowardly bedwetters in the country.

Posted by: Liam-still | March 11, 2011 5:15 PM | Report abuse

A National Boycott.

A National Boycott.


We have to start a nationwide boycott of Wisconsin goods, and no one should travel to that state, or any of the other Union busting states.

We can not start to go all soft, about how some people's livelihood might get hurt by such Boycotts, or no one can ever use the Boycott option against any evil practices.

When the people in County Mayo first came up with the method, to use against the tyrannical British Plantation Land Grabber, Captain Boycott, some of the desperately poor people of the Irish village, also got hurt economically, but they won the day, and that is how the word Boycott came into the English language.

This is a war, to preserve the way of life for future working class Americans, and like any fight for justice and equality, there will be some innocent people that get caught in the crossfire, but if we let that stop us, then no one can ever stand up to tyrants, anywhere or anytime.

Boycott all the Union Busting States, and all the products being marketed by The Oligarchs, who are funding the Union Busters.


Posted by: Liam-still | March 11, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

KDE,

What's wrong KDE?

Refuse to accept the truth?

KDE as a child when being told to do his homework:

"NA-NA-NA-NA-NA-I'm-not-listening"

KDE as an adult(?) when being told his heroes are frauds:

"NA-NA-NA-NA-NA-I'm-not-listening"

Gurgle, gargle, spabble THAT you twisted freak. Cmon. You know it's true. You know u wuv it. You are a FRAUD!

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 11, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

All, my response to Bill Keller's attack on the Huffington Post:

http://wapo.st/hWmj1O

Posted by: Greg Sargent | March 11, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Here's a version without all those big words so even you can understand it, if you weren't blinded by your Neanderthal crony "conservatism".
++++++++++
Under the budget-repair bill passed by the Assembly on Friday, no bids would be required for the state to sell up to 37 heating and cooling plants across the state.

The bill would empower the secretary of the state Department of Administration to sell the plants, which primarily serve University of Wisconsin campuses, including those in Madison and Milwaukee, as well as state prisons and other facilities.

In a change from a similar proposal that Republican lawmakers sought six years ago, the bill stripped a requirement that the Public Service Commission review whether the sale is in the public interest.

During their marathon debate on the budget-repair bill, Democrats unsuccessfully sought changes to the plants issue, including a requirement that competitive bids be sought and another to restore PSC review of the deals.

"We do not put a check on the executive that this body should," said Democratic Rep. Louis Molepske, who has a plant in his district, serving UW-Stevens Point..."

http://www.jsonline.com/business/116965798.html

From a paper that endorsed Walker.

"One of the provisions that hasn’t gotten much notice in Scott Walker’s union-busting bill would give Walker unilateral power to sell off public utilities in Wisconsin in no-bid contracts — a provision that would directly benefit one of Walker’s major campaign contributors, Koch Brothers Industries.

And oddly enough, here’s an advertisement posted just two days ago, looking for plant managers for multiple power plants in Wisconsin.

Energy client is looking for experienced Plant Managers for multiple power plants located in Wisconsin. You need 15 years of operations & maintenance experience in a power plant environment. You should have at least 5 years of experience managing operations & maintenance teams in an operational power plant. The ideal candidate has experience in a coal fired power plant. Salary is commensurate with experience.

Coincidence?"

From LGF (I never thougt I would link to this site.)

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/38136_About_Those_Wisconsin_Power_Plant_No-Bid_Contracts

Skippy, here's your oligarchs and plutocrats at work...

Posted by: srw3 | March 11, 2011 5:19 PM | Report abuse

[Ethan whined: "Refuse to accept the truth?"]

George Soros is a moneybagger.

*troofy*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 11, 2011 5:19 PM | Report abuse

srw3 you just make no sense.

I notice that you are now dancing around the real issue here. the unions lost privleges they abused. that happens to any teenager in a decent household and it happened to the unions in WI. Just as it will happen in many other states in the next few months.

I see no reason to defend the bill. It was proposed, debated and passed. Democracy in action.

As I've noted before, Daniels was unpopular when he started righting the fiscal ship in his state. He's doing just fine now.

As to the "no bid" thing, well, what is your point? You have some garbled circumstantial "evidence" and are trying to create a plot. Just too funny.

Hey, if you want to see cronyism in action, look no further than Barrack Hussein Obama. Jeffry Imelt is the poster boy for cronyism. And then look at who is getting waivers for obamacare. Just too funny.

and the fight is over. There was an election. The Democrats lost in WI. The folks that did get elected took steps to improve the fiscal situation in the state.

Tell me, did Obama's campaign material prominently feature his stimulus bill? If he had stood up and said: "I;m going to spend almost a trillion dollars on God knows what," would be have been elected?

Do you see the point?

the Democrats and liberals are acting life wife beaters. They just don't understand why we won't just shut up and take the beatings we've always taken.

So put on that special t shirt, have a few beers and swing away srw3

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 11, 2011 5:20 PM | Report abuse

*boring*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 11, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Jake,

YOU DO THAT!

Boycott Harley Davidson!

I can see that going over REALLLL well with the Tea Party ignoramus set. You can almost see the sparks flying from the liberal East Coast as the America-hating Tea Partiers around the country experience severe cognitive dissonance.

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 11, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

A National Boycott.

A National Boycott.


We have to start a nationwide boycott of Wisconsin goods, and no one should travel to that state, or any of the other Union busting states.

We can not start to go all soft, about how some people's livelihood might get hurt by such Boycotts, or no one can ever use the Boycott option against any evil practices.

When the people in County Mayo first came up with the method, to use against the tyrannical British Plantation Land Grabber, Captain Boycott, some of the desperately poor people of the Irish village, also got hurt economically, but they won the day, and that is how the word Boycott came into the English language.

This is a war, to preserve the way of life for future working class Americans, and like any fight for justice and equality, there will be some innocent people that get caught in the crossfire, but if we let that stop us, then no one can ever stand up to tyrants, anywhere or anytime.

Boycott all the Union Busting States, and all the products being marketed by The Oligarchs, who are funding the Union Busters.


Posted by: Liam-still | March 11, 2011 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I think the republicans should also be at the Capital tomorrow. They should let the 14 of them walk inside the building then instruct the Sgt at arms to lock the door and force them to vote on the original bill as well.

Posted by: bjeagle784 | March 11, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I love how Walker's arrogance and hubris led him into thinking he had so many on his side. He has awakened a sleeping giant.

Posted by: valerie14 | March 11, 2011 5:24 PM | Report abuse

how would the purchase of the assets you mention benefit the Koch brothers? Don't you have to, you know, prove that?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 11, 2011 5:24 PM | Report abuse

A National Boycott.

A National Boycott.


We have to start a nationwide boycott of Wisconsin goods, and no one should travel to that state, or any of the other Union busting states.

We can not start to go all soft, about how some people's livelihood might get hurt by such Boycotts, or no one can ever use the Boycott option against any evil practices.

When the people in County Mayo first came up with the method, to use against the tyrannical British Plantation Land Grabber, Captain Boycott, some of the desperately poor people of the Irish village, also got hurt economically, but they won the day, and that is how the word Boycott came into the English language.

This is a war, to preserve the way of life for future working class Americans, and like any fight for justice and equality, there will be some innocent people that get caught in the crossfire, but if we let that stop us, then no one can ever stand up to tyrants, anywhere or anytime.

Boycott all the Union Busting States, and all the products being marketed by The Oligarchs, who are funding the Union Busters.


Posted by: Liam-still | March 11, 2011 5:25 PM | Report abuse

KDE,

David Koch OWNS you!

You better do EVERYTHING he says!

You are a fraud! Your whole life is about being subservient to the rich. Oh, yes please Mastah Koch! Please tell me what to do and who to hate.

You Fraud! LMAO!

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 11, 2011 5:26 PM | Report abuse

"Don't you have to, you know, prove that?"

GAKK! LIGHTBULBS! SEATBELTS! FREEDUMZZZ!

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 11, 2011 5:28 PM | Report abuse

"And make no mistake, when you try to implement a stealth agenda you never campaigned on, knowing full well that the majority of your employers disagree with said agenda, that's insubordination."

Sort of reminds me of the Obamandate and his "evolving" betrayal on homosexual marriage.

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 11, 2011 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Ethan: George Soros OWNS you!

You better do EVERYTHING he says!

You are a fraud! Your whole life is about being subservient to the rich. Oh, yes please Mastah Soros! Please tell me what to do and who to hate.

You Fraud! LMAO!

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 11, 2011 5:29 PM | Report abuse

[Liam gargled: "Boycott all the Union Busting States"]

Idaho Legislature Passes Wisconsin-Style Bill Limiting Teachers Union Collective Bargaining Powers
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110309/ap_on_re_us/us_teachers_union_idaho

*No Blood for Potatoes!*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 11, 2011 5:30 PM | Report abuse

bjeagle784, great minds think alike ; )

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 11, 2011 5:30 PM | Report abuse

KDE,

What are you a robot?

Is cut and paste ALL you know?

Cut and paste this:

MY NAME IS KDE BEEP-BEEP AND ALL I KNOW IS CUT-AND-PASTE! BEEP-BEEP.

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 11, 2011 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Here's a better lead: Three weeks late and three dollars short, absentee Wisconsin Senators march on state capital to protest their political impotence and demonstrate the wisdom of the voters that made them irrelevant last November. Meanwhile, toothless Lefty's nationwide vow to fight to the bitter end to preserve publicly-funded Progressive Kleptocracies in statehouses throughout the nation...blah, blah, blah...

Posted by: LibRT | March 11, 2011 5:32 PM | Report abuse

The Fourteen Cowardly Democrats who ran away and hid for three weeks should all be FIRED/RECALLED!

They were shellacked in a legitimate election---and now they run away from their responsibilities and WAH!WAH!WAH!

The most outlandish statement I have ever heard in my 75 years is Democrats complaining they wern't given a chance to vote!

Hello---Did they leave a forwarding address when they ran an hid? Union thugs were then sent in to disrupt legal Senate meetings...with screaming and death threats.

Wisconsin voters deserve better than these 14 Democrat Scofflaws! Perhaps if they had returned to Wisconsin and debated while in session they would have earned some credibility and respect---but they didn't and they are pathetic cowards.

Perhaps when Secretary Holder said "We are a Nation of Cowards" he was referring to the Infamouus Cowardly 14 Democrat State Senators. The Shoe Fits!!!

Posted by: passonfirstdown | March 11, 2011 5:32 PM | Report abuse

qb - I wasn't aware that Obama had introduced legislation legalizing gay marriage. In fact, I'm pretty sure he hasn't. But nice try.

Notice you didn't try to dispute Walker's insubordination. Perhaps you ARE capable of learning.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 5:33 PM | Report abuse

VIDEO: MARY KATHARINE HAM ON Michael Moore’s "Deficit Solution":
http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/11/hammertime-moores-national-resources/

“The grand total of the combined net worth of every single one of America’s billionaires is roughly $1.3 trillion. It does indeed sound like a ‘ton of cash’ until one considers that the 2011 deficit alone is $1.6 trillion."

"So, if the government were to simply confiscate the entire net worth of all of America’s billionaires, we’d still be $300 billion short of making up THIS year’s deficit...”

*Watch the Whole Thing*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 11, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse

"Tell me, did Obama's campaign material prominently feature his stimulus bill?"

He did campaign on competence. Only the most incompetent buffoons are thinking, "hmm...unemployment is at 10%. I think I'll worry about the deficit now."

Posted by: DDAWD | March 11, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I am hearing plenty about Wisconsin as well as Japan.

I even heard conservative David Brooks saying he wasn't comfortable with the Republican methods for forcing this through...

which IMO, were sneaky and smarmy and they will live to regret. They seem to think they will always be in power even though they are doing their damnedest the defund Democrats - as their ideas like "trickle" down" are worthless voodoo economics.

Wisconsin is so divided now - and recalls planned - businesses are not going to rush to set up here.

Posted by: bjkalmba | March 11, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

QB, how's life treating you?

I hope your knees don't hurt from begging the rich for scraps.

Since skippy ran away like a coward, maybe you can answer for me:

Is having the central government shift tax revenue from the Middle Class to corporations Big Government or Small Government?

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 11, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

The 14 idiots that have wasted more Tax payer money and made a travesty of the system, should be arrested soon as they cross the border. I am just glad that Governor Walker succeeded in breaking a socialist monopoly that are the Unions. Liberals are for the working people eh? They are self serving, self indulged hypocrites that are not for America but for themselves.

Posted by: Lanche | March 11, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Ethan: What are you a stalker?

Is stalking ALL you know?

Stalk this: MY NAME IS ETHAN BEEP-BEEP AND ALL I KNOW IS STALKING! BEEP-BEEP.

*stranger danger!*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 11, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Best thing that ever happened. Dems were asleep until this, now they and the general population see what is really going on.
Tea PArty held rally at state capitol in Tallahassee this week, looked like a line at Starbucks. Republicans have poked the bear.

Posted by: stevepj | March 11, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

@kdaffy: Soros is a rich guy who supports causes he believes in, although the tales of his exploits from the denizens of Conservatown far outweigh his actual giving. There are 50 repiglican millionaires and billionaires who fund turd blossom's slush fund, Heritage, The federalist society, the tea bag express, etc. for every George Soros.

Of course from your vantage point in greater farrightwingnutistan, Soros is the only rich guy who participates in politics, right wing SCOTUS members don't spend 4 days at a Koch sponsored right wing spewing orgy and fail to report their spouse's $600 K income from organizations that benefit from rulings he makes... Just sayin...

Posted by: srw3 | March 11, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

valerie14, what about the 1,128,887 votes that Scott Walker got in November? I guess we'll see how many of them are on his side if you get enough qualified signatures for a recall election.

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 11, 2011 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't normally bother with liam, but this is too interesting to pass up:
================
This is a war, to preserve the way of life for future working class Americans, and like any fight for justice and equality, there will be some innocent people that get caught in the crossfire, but if we let that stop us, then no one can ever stand up to tyrants, anywhere or anytime.

===================

yes, it is a war. A war between the tax payers and the tax eaters. The problem for the tax eaters is that they have no real moral claim to the money they demand.

VDH got it just right. This is like a teenager reminding his suddenly out of work father that he promised him a car.

Basically the unions are saying that they demand the money. Period. And if the don't get it, well they will pout.

Here in Ohio some of the conservative blogs are publishing lists of union bosses and their incomes. It is amazing how many union bosses are making hundreds of thousands a year.

In Liam's world justice and equality mean "hammer the tax payers". It makes little sense, but hey, consider the source.

And finally liam proves the point I've been making for a while now. The left's motto is "by any means necessary" and if that means whacking a few "innocent" people, well Liam is all for it.

I'll remember that the next time some lefty wag lies about "civilian deaths" in Iraq.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | March 11, 2011 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey Scott Walker,

I just transferred my National Guard position from the State of Wisconsin to another State. I will not be taking orders from you. I hope the citizens of Wisconsin will have you removed from office. Let's see how far the college drop out gets. Michael Moore and company are coming after you

Posted by: InspectorG | March 11, 2011 5:39 PM | Report abuse

*boring*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | March 11, 2011 5:40 PM | Report abuse

.

Hey Democrats,

The Washington Post is For Sale: Bids Open

.

Posted by: kstobbe1 | March 11, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

KDE,

You know what I know?

I know that David Koch and Charles Koch each inherited a fortune now worth over $20 BILLION.

$20 BILLION EACH!

And they use that money to front conservative causes like Americans for Prosperity.

Did you know that?

I'll bet you didn't!

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 11, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

to you spj3 to call us fine wisconsin people " cheesehead bastards" just shows what type of person you are, you make me sick. we all work hard for our money walker is not one of us . he and his fellow croonies will be out of office before you know it. i live here and trust me when i say NO ONE IS HAPPY this guy will not last his term so the joke is on you!!!!!!!! we want him gone!!!!

Posted by: krissy66 | March 11, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Heh. These morons here remind me of a conversation I had with a teabagging realtor back during the automaker bailouts. Said realtor was really upset that the union autoworkers were "making $75 per hour" (they weren't; they were making about $27 per hour) and observed that wages at the local box factory were $8.25 per hour. I sidestepped one of the most obvious points - which is, you'd expect people who make goods worth $1 to be paid less than people who make goods worth $30,000 - to get right to the heart of the matter. "So," I asked, "how many houses have you sold to people who work at the box factory?" Turns out it was none. "Supposing we had an auto plant where the workers were making $27 per hour - you think you might be able to sell a house to any of them?"

That was the end of the conversation.

But hey, morons, keep cheering on the erosion of the wages of people who are still keeping you afloat. I'm sure that will work out just great for you.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Skippy what about those no bid contracts? Did I provide enough info for you in small words as well as the text of the bill? Can you say crony capitalism?

Posted by: srw3 | March 11, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

"Mom, Guido says he'll only take cash or debit."

Posted by: drowningpuppies | March 11, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Jake, ah you're back!

Maybe you can answer this question for me since nobody else on the right has the cojones to do it:

Is having the central government shift tax revenue from the Middle Class to corporations Big Government or Small Government?

Looking forward to your reply!

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 11, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

krissy66 - I was the one who called Wisconsinites "magnificent cheese-headed bastards", and it was intended as a humorous compliment.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"to you spj3 to call us fine wisconsin people " cheesehead bastards" just shows what type of person you are, you make me sick. we all work hard for our money walker is not one of us . he and his fellow croonies will be out of office before you know it. i live here and trust me when i say NO ONE IS HAPPY this guy will not last his term so the joke is on you!!!!!!!! we want him gone!!!!"

I'm pretty sure it was said in an affectionate manner. The person who originally said it is no Walker supporter.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 11, 2011 5:47 PM | Report abuse

and yes the gop has poked the sleeping bear!!! run.... hide.... us wisconsinites are coming to get you out of office! we will not put up with this anymore YOU WILL NOT TAKE OUR MONEY ANY MORE MAKE YOUR OWN!!!

Posted by: krissy66 | March 11, 2011 5:50 PM | Report abuse

If it makes you feel any better, at my blog I referred to Wisconsites as "magnificent cheese-EATING bastards" in the title to my blog post about l'affair Walker.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Shorter skippy...run away, run away...

Posted by: srw3 | March 11, 2011 5:50 PM | Report abuse

JENNOARK you just need to grow up keep talking makes you look bad wow your so cool to call us bastards im so impressed by you wow cool

Posted by: krissy66 | March 11, 2011 5:53 PM | Report abuse

"Cash or debit?"

"Yeah mom, Guido, or Mr. Guido as he wants me to call him now, says you have to add a 20% surcharge to your uncollected union dues."

Posted by: drowningpuppies | March 11, 2011 5:55 PM | Report abuse

well i guess being talked to like this so many times it gets old

Posted by: krissy66 | March 11, 2011 5:55 PM | Report abuse

krissy - I'm sorry your sense of humor is so underdeveloped. It will not in any way undermine my support for the people of Wisconsin against Scott Walker.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"Cash or debit?"

"Yeah mom, Guido, or Mr. Guido as he wants me to call him now, says you have to add a 20% surcharge to your uncollected union dues."

Posted by: drowningpuppies | March 11, 2011 5:56 PM | Report abuse

krissy66,

I totally hear ya!

These people are THIEVES!

I don't know if you've seen this yet, but PolitiFact fact-checked Michael Moore's statement about the Forbes 400 and found it TRUE!

Maybe you can use this link in your efforts up there?

-Michael Moore says 400 Americans have more wealth than half of all Americans combined-

"Right now, this afternoon, just 400 Americans -- 400 -- have more wealth than half of all Americans combined," Moore avowed to tens of thousands of protesters.

"Let me say that again. And please, someone in the mainstream media, just repeat this fact once; we’re not greedy, we’ll be happy to hear it just once.

"Four hundred obscenely wealthy individuals, 400 little Mubaraks -- most of whom benefited in some way from the multi-trillion-dollar taxpayer bailout of 2008 -- now have more cash, stock and property than the assets of 155 million Americans combined."

...

...as of 2009, the net worth of the nation’s 400 wealthiest individuals exceeds the net worth of half of all American households.

We rate Moore’s statement TRUE.

http://politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/mar/10/michael-moore/michael-moore-says-400-americans-have-more-wealth-/

Pass it on! Facebook, twitter, email, letters to the editor! Every bit counts! Thanks!

Posted by: ronnieandrush | March 11, 2011 5:56 PM | Report abuse

walker and his croonies calls us lazy slobs sick of the name calling i want this man gone im so freaking upset by this

Posted by: krissy66 | March 11, 2011 5:58 PM | Report abuse

There's a great ad playing on TV, busting Democrats and Big Labor right in the mouth. It shows great clips of Obama thanking Big Labor electing him and a devastating, I mean devastating clip of the NEA's general counsel admitting the NEA isn't about a vision for education but power, fueled by hundreds of millions in dues.

Can't wait for you to comment on how it flays, skewers or eviscerates your bosses, Greg.

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 11, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse

krissy66, are you sure that "none" of Walker's 1,128,887 voters are happy with him? That seems like quite a stretch to me.

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 11, 2011 6:00 PM | Report abuse

well glad your laughing at someone else my sense of humor is just fine thank you ! just dont find u funny

Posted by: krissy66 | March 11, 2011 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Ronnie- I consider myself a fiscally conservative and socially liberal independent, not right winger, but I will take stab at your question of 5:45. I would contend it is neither big government nor small government under the scenario you present because there is too little information in the premise of your question. No matter who bears the tax burden, if total revenues are low in comparison to GDP, I would say small government, and no matter who bears the burden, if total revenues are high in comparison to GDP, that is big government. I think the line is hard to pin down, but if I had to pick a number, government is too big when expenditures exceed 23-25% of GDP.

I think your question goes more to the fairness of how the cost of government is spread, but even then it provides too little info for a good answer. If tax burden is shifted from the rich and corporations to middle class, but before they are shifted the rich and corporations bear an unfairly high burden, then the shift is fair. But if prior to the shift, the burden is fairly distributed or already favors the rich and corporations then the shift is unfair.

Posted by: mobrien83 | March 11, 2011 6:01 PM | Report abuse

The Wisconsin 14 should be planning a funeral march because of the death of democracy in Wisconsin. Every working soul in Wisconsin should join them. Actually, there should be massive nation wide strikes, but the corporations know that won't happen because people are too afraid to lose their jobs.

Democracy is dying and the GOP is one of the perpetrators.

GOP = government of plutocracy (rule of the rich)

Posted by: abbydelabbey | March 11, 2011 6:02 PM | Report abuse

krissy - find, u don't find me funny. There's really no reason to be nasty to people who are on your side, though, whether you find them "funny" or not.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 6:03 PM | Report abuse

To think this is about the budget is naive. We elect politicians based on the issues they campaign on. Since they are supposed to work for us, I dont think its unreasonable to expect them to disclose their intentions while campaigning as opposed to keeping their real agenda to themselves until elected. The majority of this state, union and non union workers alike, are very much against this. Walker is not interested in what the people he works for want him to do. The democrats who left the state have the support of this majority as they are actually listening to their constituents. Explain where the progress comes from by vilifying middle class workers as a problem and turning around to give huge breaks to corporations? And the argument that this brings them more in line with the way federal workers are treated does not fly since Wisconsin union workers were willing to concede that the whole time. This wont even put a dent in the problem. Some people cant seem to get passed the fact that these union workers have a better deal than the rest of us and seem to be basing their opinion on this. Please look deeper into the issue with those feelings aside. It is not about that. Like I said, these workers were willing to concede that from the start. This is about a small percentage of rich people using strong arm politics in order to take care of their own kind and own agendas. Koch brothers anyone? It is easy to see that this is a good place to start making cuts. That is why the republicans thought they could hide their real agenda behind this fact. Fatal mistake for not only Walker, but the republicans who followed. You can make the cuts without dealing a death blow to the unions. But again, its not about the cuts. This is another step toward a two class social system, ultra rich and ultra poor. If you are not already in the club, guess where you will fall? I hope the working people realize this, because Walker does. I would consider this to be his initiation into the club. Republicans have each other and corporations. The working people have unions and democrats. The numbers may be heavily in your favor in terms of money, but we the people of Wisconsin outnumber you by a vast margin. For Walkers sake, I hope he gets in the club, because his career in Wisconsin is soon to be over. And it will be a very long time before the republicans will be trusted enough to have power of this state again. We obviously made a mistake electing these people, but we will not stand idly by and suffer undo consequences. We will do everything in our legal power to take the state back for the people. But please dont use the false notion this is about a budget for argument. This is about democracy and working for the majority. This is about threats and insults from the people who are supposed to work for us. Simply unacceptable.

Posted by: william20 | March 11, 2011 6:07 PM | Report abuse

"Why is that, son? A 20% surcharge?"

"Mom, Mr. Guido says the teachers' union has to recoup the money they lost by losing direct deposit from your government paycheck, and all the money the union had to shell out to bus in the demonstrators and he doesn't even want to talk about the money spent on the 14 Dem. senators on hotels, gas, meals, and strip clubs in Illinois."

Posted by: drowningpuppies | March 11, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

"I sidestepped one of the most obvious points - which is, you'd expect people who make goods worth $1 to be paid less than people who make goods worth $30,000 - to get right to the heart of the matter."

Little Jennie is so hilariously economically illiterate; it's a true marvel. Hey, what if someone could make 50,000 of those $1 widgets in the time it took two people to make one $30k car?

What would you expect then? Too too funny.

"qb - I wasn't aware that Obama had introduced legislation legalizing gay marriage. In fact, I'm pretty sure he hasn't. But nice try."

I guess you aren't aware of his much self-publicized, agonized evolution from firm opposition to opposing all efforts to maintain the definition of marriage, to supporting all efforts to roll back protections of traditional marriage, to throwing section 2 of DOMA under the bus, soon to be followed by section 1. Try keeping informed sometime.

"Notice you didn't try to dispute Walker's insubordination. Perhaps you ARE capable of learning."

No, I just gave an ironic response. Your characterization is absurd.

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 11, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

well clawrence i have to tell ya i live here and see what is going on, yes he was voted in. i think that people were thinking that things werent happening fast enough so they thought they would try something differant, the problem is we didnt know this is what he had in mind! when i say people are mad around here i mean that! i have NEVER in my 46 years living here see such outrage and people joining forces on this, yeah they made have voted him in but let me tell ya they are the ones that gonna get him out as well! never ever seen anything like this before he woke the sleeping bear

Posted by: krissy66 | March 11, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

krissy66, beware of JennOfArk because she said she was happy with Gov. Walker on a previous thread.

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 11, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

im not on here to make her happy if she is truly on the right side shell do whats right maybe not calling us bastards right now would be wise

Posted by: krissy66 | March 11, 2011 6:12 PM | Report abuse

"Your characterization is absurd."

I agree. You obviously are NOT capable of learning.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 6:13 PM | Report abuse

"Is having the central government shift tax revenue from the Middle Class to corporations Big Government or Small Government?"

Maybe you aren't getting any answers because your question isn't coherent. But then hardly anything you say is.

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 11, 2011 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you, krissy66!

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 11, 2011 6:15 PM | Report abuse

and yes ronnie thank you ill do what ever i can up here ! im spreading the word but it seems everyone is talking so many mad upset hurt all of the above

Posted by: krissy66 | March 11, 2011 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I'd be touched and flattered if someone referred to me as a "magnificent something-something bastard." Sorry that you aren't. I still think it's funny as hell and a rather obvious term of endearment, but, whatevs.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 6:16 PM | Report abuse

@william20: word...

If it was about the budget then Walker wouldn't have given away $140 million in corporate tax breaks and other pet projects...while claiming that WI is broke (it isn't!).

If it was about the budget, then repiglicans in congress wouldn't have insisted on the continuation of insanely expensive tax cuts for the top 2%, while claiming the country is broke, (it isn't!)

If it was about the budget, the we wouldn't be involved in 2 land invasions in central asia without providing a funding mechanism for these misadventures, like every other sustained military engagement up to Vietnam...

If it was about the budget, then Medicare D wouldn't have passed without a funding mechanism for it.

If it was about the budget, then we would have a tax on financial transactions and speculation in commodities since this was the engine driving wall st and the economy into the ditch.

etc..

Good post!

Posted by: srw3 | March 11, 2011 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Interesting responses. To "Lanche" and "passionfirstdown "and the like, maybe a fascist country is to your liking. After all, Hitler's first move was to abolish unions in Germany. And now all Walker did was put into play what the Koch Brothers told him to do when they bought him the governorship. Its like teachers, firemen and policemen make so much so much money to raise a family they are responsible for Wisconsin's debt. They should be able to work out a reasonable deal for less. Oh no, helping the middleclass of Americans, that's so Republican. So why did Walker already did give tax breaks to the rich in WI and to the corporations that support this pimp of the Koch Brothers. So how does that balance the budget when you give away taxes to the rich so it doesn't become INCOME? Give tax breaks to the rich so less money comes in and reduce wages to the unions ....is just chasing your own tail as you spiral downward.
What Wisconsin should go one step better and export teacher classrooms to India. Save a lot of money!! Kids in Wisconsin will speak with a lovely Hindi dialect. Fire and police can be sent off shore too, except response time will be a problem.
Bottom line is that the unions are broken in WI, a GOP dream fulfilled. Government and corporations can now balance the budget and increase shareholder profits when wages are eventually depressed. Middle class Americans will be dead and frankly have not seen an increase in their purchasing power since dipstick "trickle down" Reagan was pres; but, the very wealthy got tax breaks ever since then,they can horde money offshore and support Republican causes. Responders like Lanche, unless he is hired to write this garbage, must be very wealthy and just another pimp.
People also write that socialism is evil. If that is so, then why don't we get rid of all socialist principles. Then all we HAVE to do is get rid of teachers, firemen, policemen, Food and Drug regulators, oil industry regulators (we cannot have regulations interfere with oil profits!!) and above all the US military. Yes, the military. These are all of just some the backbone of the definition of socialism. Then, let's try to get rid of Social Security. Afterall,Republicans think no one needs it or any other assistance. What a country. They, GOP, are going to get all the money now.

Posted by: sd-mouth1 | March 11, 2011 6:17 PM | Report abuse

The Almighty South has risen again, thank you Walker, thank you God! The time has come to put people in their place no matter what color they are, or where they're from! Slaves must be kept in line and remain slaves to the South! Let no tax be spent on an unequal society -- Amen!

See: "In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.”

The lines[17] were written by Wallace's neo-nazi/KKK speechwriter, Asa Earl Carter."

Posted by: Recall_confederate_senators | March 11, 2011 6:18 PM | Report abuse

"Well son, tell Mr. Guido that I am not responsible for that because I took three sick days off from school to demonstrate in Madison and I have a doctor's note to prove it."

Posted by: drowningpuppies | March 11, 2011 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Those who think collective bargaining is a right are those who are afraid to stand on their own two feet.

If you provide a valued service you will be paid accordingly. Collective bargaining favors those working mindless, unskilled labor that anyone can do.

Posted by: Cryos | March 11, 2011 6:21 PM | Report abuse

sd-mouth1, wasn't Hitler's first (failed) move the Beer Hall Putsch?

Posted by: clawrence12 | March 11, 2011 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Well, the history of the US is largely one of theft of labor, with only one period where it was successfully beaten back. First we had slavery, then we had sharecropping, factory towns, child labor and an awful lot of slave-wage labor, and then finally that got pushed back by the union movement. It's been pushed back the other way against working people for the past 30 years now. Labor theft is becoming the new/old norm.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 6:23 PM | Report abuse

see what i mean jenn u need to stop now i dont want to hear it im here for the issues not your thoughts on what i learned in school but thanks

Posted by: krissy66 | March 11, 2011 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Funny how Michael Moore keeps ranting about the evil rich. He's one of them. The guy loaded from making all his faux documentaries.

Posted by: cras | March 11, 2011 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I guess I just can't comprehend how someone working some unskilled job that takes a couple weeks to learn thinks they have the right to be middle class.

If you work a job anyone can do you are worthless.

Posted by: Cryos | March 11, 2011 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Liberals, Unionistas, and Democrats: Boo Hoo! You lose (and are losers). Taxpayers win.

So now you have to collect your dues voluntarily...here's a bet: you won't collect 30%. So much for dollars to run your political campaigns.

Unions are so 20th Century and such a failure. Time to move forward and it does NOT include you people. Bye, bye.

Posted by: dcmowbray1 | March 11, 2011 6:29 PM | Report abuse

What do you mean, "faux" documentaries? Moore doesn't produce for Faux News.

I love this slam on Moore - that somehow he "makes things up" by showing videotape of people saying and doing things they actually said and did. Sure he puts his own take on things into his docs - but he doesn't make things up. Just because some of the things he brings up might be inconvenient in terms of your cherished beliefs about the way things are or work it doesn't make them "made up." It just makes them inconvenient for you to explain.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Cryos - anyone can rake the yard; doesn't mean you'll find anyone willing to do it for free, nor that you should expect to. Characterizing anyone's time spent doing a task that needs to be done as "worthless" pretty much says everything anyone would ever need to know about you.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse

"Mom, Mr. Guido says he's wasting too much time here and he has many more houses to visit tonight and he just wants you to remember his nickname "ThumbBreaker" and he says he'll be back tomorrow. And by the way he still wonders if you are right- or left-handed."

Posted by: drowningpuppies | March 11, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse

dear demo i hate to break it to ya but the unions are not by any means dead here! just sounds like jealous person who wants what we have . we work VERY hard for our money, no one pays my bills i do!!! to call us losers again show us to stand proud and strong you cant and will not win this one. will fight for our rights and you calling us names just helps us power along

Posted by: krissy66 | March 11, 2011 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Notice how none of the trolls here ever want to take on things like the indisputable fact that people who make $27 an hour can afford to buy things, which helps keep other people employed where they too can afford to buy things, while people who make $8.50 an hour can not.

It's almost as though they believe they are economic islands unto themselves, and if the people who do business with them or their employers can no longer afford to do business with them, that they'll continue to be employed - and at the same wage, too!

Amazing.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Cryos - anyone can rake the yard; doesn't mean you'll find anyone willing to do it for free, nor that you should expect to. Characterizing anyone's time spent doing a task that needs to be done as "worthless" pretty much says everything anyone would ever need to know about you.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 6:32 PM
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So you think that anyone that works the most simple job should be middle class?

You need to get a serious grip on reality.

Explain to me why I would want to work a difficult, skilled job to pay the bills of some meathead who chose to go to the bar instead of school?

Posted by: Cryos | March 11, 2011 6:44 PM | Report abuse

the democrats are celebrating!the dems are returning to wisconsin to represent the unions!they don't give a rats' butt about anyone else!you can say koch brothers all you want and it doesn't change the FACT that the dems have been bought and paid for by the union BOSSES for 50 years!

Posted by: alamodefender | March 11, 2011 6:46 PM | Report abuse

If you provide a valued service you will be paid accordingly
Not if its a republican who is going to pay you.

If you work a job anyone can do you are worthless.
This is so mindless I cant believe I am commenting on it. But I could picture Walker himself saying this. And out of curiosity, could you teach high school chemistry? Can you go thirty feet up a ladder and work a fire house? Could you subdue and armed gunman in a standoff? Could you be harnessed God knows how many feet up from a bridge and weld? I would be incredibly surprised if you could do one of those things. I dont want to be rude, but think before you post. Otherwise you insult people and make yourself look like, well, the worthless one.

Posted by: william20 | March 11, 2011 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Notice how none of the trolls here ever want to take on things like the indisputable fact that people who make $27 an hour can afford to buy things, which helps keep other people employed where they too can afford to buy things, while people who make $8.50 an hour can not.

It's almost as though they believe they are economic islands unto themselves, and if the people who do business with them or their employers can no longer afford to do business with them, that they'll continue to be employed - and at the same wage, too!

Amazing.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 6:43 PM
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Please go take some micro and macroeconomics courses.

With that logic I take it you're a blonde?

Posted by: Cryos | March 11, 2011 6:48 PM | Report abuse

dear demo i hate to break it to ya but the unions are not by any means dead here! just sounds like jealous person who wants what we have . we work VERY hard for our money, no one pays my bills i do!!! to call us losers again show us to stand proud and strong you cant and will not win this one. will fight for our rights and you calling us names just helps us power along

Posted by: krissy66 | March 11, 2011 6:35 P
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Ah this explains your false assertion that "everyone is furious at Walker." A union mediocre worker.

Guess what; your union friends aka "everybody" didn't vote for him anyways.

Afraid to stand on your own two feet to get better wages?

Posted by: Cryos | March 11, 2011 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Notice how none of the trolls here ever want to take on things like the indisputable fact that people who make $27 an hour can afford to buy things, which helps keep other people employed where they too can afford to buy things, while people who make $8.50 an hour can not.

It's almost as though they believe they are economic islands unto themselves, and if the people who do business with them or their employers can no longer afford to do business with them, that they'll continue to be employed - and at the same wage, too!

Amazing.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 6:43 PM
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What you don't understand is the downward spiral caused by socialism and wealth distribution.

Who is going to work the difficult jobs that take a lot of mental effort if they get paid similar to someone working at the local gas station? Not too many people.

That is why socialism usually leads to a form of tyranny like communism because you have to force people to work to their ability. I call that slavery.

Posted by: Cryos | March 11, 2011 6:52 PM | Report abuse

"I love this slam on Moore - that somehow he "makes things up" by showing videotape of people saying and doing things they actually said and did."

Good grief, you can't be this ignorant. Go do some research about Bowling and Roger and Me. This clown couldn't find the truth if it fell on him.

Posted by: quarterback1 | March 11, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse

what do you mean stand on my own 2 feet? you dont even make sense its just jealousy thats all you dont know me you dont know what i do or how much i get paid thats just a dumb comment im sorry for you . maybe you should take the time and work hard and your job and you will get some benefits your self sad

Posted by: krissy66 | March 11, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

"What you don't understand is the downward spiral caused by socialism and wealth distribution."

You mean like the one we've been caught in since 2001? Yes, all those socialist Bush policies and the "trickle-down" of wealth are to blame no doubt. Maybe if we keep it up we'll be able to match the economic powerhouse of the Phillipines, where they've been careful not to let the wealth get distributed.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

QB: Is is big or small government that tells me who I can marry and that I can't make my own reproductive choices?

Is it big government or small government that tells me whether or not I can join a union?

Is it big government or small government that gives no bid contracts to their cronies and benefactors ala Walker?

Is it big government or small government that locks up citizens with no habeas corpus rights?

Is it big government or small government that invades countries thousands of miles away that don't threaten the US?

Is that better?

Posted by: srw3 | March 11, 2011 7:12 PM | Report abuse

by the way cyros what makes you think cause im in the union all my " friends " are? i really dont know too many people in the union. im from this state and i know personally what people are thinking are they are not happy we dont like to be treated unfair he is not one of the people nor will ever be dems and gop people are just people here so many on both sides think what he did is wrong im done for tonight i need to keep up the good fight until next time!

Posted by: krissy66 | March 11, 2011 7:17 PM | Report abuse

And please drop the laughingly transparent willful "misunderstanding" that I said or inferred that the yard man should get paid the same thing as a doctor. I responded to your claim that anyone who does work that doesn't require years of training is "worthless." No one who does work that needs to be done is "worthless", and only an irredeemably inhuman jackass would suggest that they are. I can handle a shovel and a pickaxe but it's not something I want to do for a living. The guy who does is using up his capital - his body. If job X needs to get done and it can't be done without a guy to dig with a shovel, he is not "worthless" and he should be compensated fairly for his time. By "fairly" I mean he ought to be able to make enough to live. If he's not "worth" paying that much, then it's because it's a job that doesn't really need to be done. Not all that hard to figure for anyone who isn't a jerk looking for an excuse to sort ever more people into the "not deserving of being treated like a person" pile.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 7:19 PM | Report abuse

@cyros:If you provide a valued service you will be paid accordingly.

What a steaming pile of stinkin repiglican. Who determines value? The magic of the market? Don't make me puke.

If that were true, then corporate CEOs the world over would make about the same amount, since we are theoretically in a "global market". Somehow US multinational CEOs make orders of magnitude more than their European or Japanese counterparts.

Newt Gingrich hasn't done a days work since 1995, and yet wingnut welfare made him a millionaire...

Scott Walker doesn't do 1/10 the work that a 7th grade teacher does, and yet he makes 3x their salary.
Its just more of the golden rule of repiglicans...Those who have the gold, make the rules....

Posted by: srw3 | March 11, 2011 7:23 PM | Report abuse

quarterback and the truth, an oxymoron, emphasis on the moron....

Posted by: srw3 | March 11, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey skippy, still trying to justify those no bid contracts?

Posted by: srw3 | March 11, 2011 7:26 PM | Report abuse

good job jenn well said

Posted by: krissy66 | March 11, 2011 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Boycott Republicans socially and economically.

Posted by: hhkeller | March 11, 2011 7:32 PM | Report abuse

If the voters in Wisconsin want more government spending and higher taxes, that's fine with me. I don't live in Wisconsin. I'll actually be able to reside in my home and eat.

What an opportunity this presents. Higher taxes for the middle class and the elderly on fixed incomes. Add to that higher gas prices and a 4% increase in food, just last month. Starving the elderly would be one way to rid ourselves of people who don't contribute to society.

You won't need death panels, you just starve them to death.

Posted by: Dodgers1 | March 11, 2011 7:40 PM | Report abuse

"You won't need death panels, you just starve them to death."

Yes, that is the GOP way.

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 11, 2011 7:55 PM | Report abuse

In retrospect: 3/11/11 I have lost faith in my current government.

I have also come to believe large corporations may better invest in their employees with living wages and affordable benefits rather than buying off one state governor at a time...or three or five. I also believe large corporations with this kind of cash kicking around might be better encouraged to invest in their home country in the form of income taxes especially since they are now considered a People. Just like We the People.
That would be Citizen's United.

Thank you. Vote next Time, and I hope to see you at the Recall.

Power to the People.

Posted by: Akklia | March 11, 2011 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I dont know if I can make it to the next election. I might have to move to China to get a job. Actually, Ive had two former jobs outsourced there already so maybe I can get my foot in the door.

Posted by: william20 | March 11, 2011 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I wonder,if those jobs were union jobs, would they have went to China for the cheap labor? Hmmmm.

Posted by: william20 | March 11, 2011 8:34 PM | Report abuse

And not that Im bitter, but I also had my wages cut 8 months before the outsource on the last job. So I would like to know from Cyrus, because I was standing on my own two feet, how would he have negotiated this for himself. Oh wait I know the answer. YOU WOULDNT. You would be knocked off those feet and if they were worth anything they would take those as well. Because Cyrus, you can stand on your own two feet to no avail without someone behind you to catch you when you get sucker punched. Unions are not perfect, corporations are even further from perfect. But if you are a worker, who would stand behind you, your union or your corporation.

Posted by: william20 | March 11, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Wisconsin... remember all the folks crying and protesting Ted Thompson for not allowing Bret Favre to come back to the Green Bay Packers?

What was the result of that?
the next year losing season 6-10
2nd year playoff appearance involved in the highest scoring playoff game in history
3rd year... Super Bowl Champs.

All those cry babies mad about not letting Favre back look pretty foolish and stupid.

Same thing is going to happen here. ... The recall move will result in fewer Dems in office. Instead of just 19 GOP there will be 20 or more... so much for the crybabies.

Posted by: TheDonald1 | March 11, 2011 9:23 PM | Report abuse

All 14 should be arrested for obstruction of Legislation and held without bail pending recall elections. What a bunch of pathetic excuses for human beings, but then their Democrats.

Posted by: jhnjdy | March 11, 2011 9:57 PM | Report abuse

All 14 should be arrested for obstruction of Legislation and held without bail pending recall elections. What a bunch of pathetic excuses for human beings, but then their Democrats.

Posted by: jhnjdy | March 11, 2011 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Next up Wisconsin Voters: April 5th SUPREME COURT ELECTION. A vote for JoAnne Kloppenburg prevents a REPUBLICAN MAJORITY in the Wisconsin Supreme Court. REMOVE WALKER YES MAN Judge David Prosser.

Posted by: ThankuScotty2012 | March 11, 2011 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Illinois has been silent on the matter, wonder why? Gov. Quinn, democrat & the democrat house & senate are trying to quietly make the financial problems of Illinois go away. Ill is #1 state with bad finances. The unions run the state. Unlike Wisconsin, both Republicans and Democrats have received campaign largess from the unions. The pension fund is way underfunded for 30 years? Blago is on trial & Edgar is in jail. Is it time for the Dept of Justice to step in, arrest the elected officials, & appoint a guardian for Illinois?

Posted by: windmill3 | March 11, 2011 11:19 PM | Report abuse

pcow

The Democrats in Wisconsin who left the state are cowards, and are just Anti-American. Their latest video rants on YouTube are like something Charlie Sheen would say:

http://fms.nu/eYM6hB

And why are the all so touchy feely? It gives me the creeps!

Posted by: webcontent2011 | March 12, 2011 12:03 AM | Report abuse


Before you refinance, check your credit report for anything that could foul up a refinance. You don't want to lay out the money if a credit problem is going to keep you from refinancing, search online for "123 Mortgage Refi" I just used them and they are the best, they got me 3.113% rate

Posted by: lindagunter77 | March 12, 2011 5:15 AM | Report abuse

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