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1 p.m. ET: Senate Democrats have spoken, deciding to keep Joe Lieberman atop the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee while stripping him of a relatively minor subcommittee chairmanship. And now the liberal blogosphere is speaking too, and it's not happy.
The prevailing Netroots view of Lieberman (which is by no means unified) has shifted quite a bit over the last several months. After initially advocating that Lieberman be booted out of the Democratic Caucus altogether, most prominent liberal blogs have said in recent days that they simply want the ideologically ambidextrous senator to lose that which he loves most -- the Homeland Security gavel. The fact that he won't is not going over well on the Left.
Daily Kos takes umbrage at the fact that Harry Reid even calls Lieberman a Democrat. "Yo Harry, the people of Connecticut spoke to that one. Lieberman is not a Democrat," Kos writes. "But hey, the American people voted for change in 2006, and they voted for change in 2008, and both years, the Senate made sure to slap the American people in the face. So why should this have been any different? There isn't a more tone-deaf group of people anywhere in this country than inside the U.S. Senate."
As Greg Sarget sums it up at TPMElectionCentral, "Senate Dems will be allowing Lieberman to keep his plum spot ... despite the fact that he endorsed efforts by the GOP to imply that Obama is in league with terrorists, suggested that Obama endangered our troops, and said Obama hasn't always put the country first." And Matt Stoller at OpenLeft writes, "I sort of get tired of making this point, but Democratic leaders are often not on our side, they often don't agree with us, and it's foolish to consider them as teammates. They aren't."
The blogosphere's complaints go beyond simply saying that Lieberman should be stripped of his chairmanship because he said nasty things about Barack Obama. Many liberals really want Lieberman gone from his chairmanship because they think he's wrong on many of the issues the Homeland panel handles.
But Senate Democrats don't seem overly concerned at attracting the scorn of the blogosphere. They only have to run every six years, and how many of them are genuinely vulnerable to a primary challenge from the Left? On the bright side for liberals, Kagro X notes that this will be "good for the blogging business, the way a Sarah Palin victory would have been good for the late night comedy business."
8 a.m. ET: Will he or won't he? That question -- whether Barack Obama will hand the Foggy Bottom keys to Hillary Clinton -- continues to drown out all other political news this morning: The meeting with John McCain, the floundering auto bailout, the Joe Lieberman vote, even Sarah Palin, budding author.
Judging from the coverage, the scales seem tilted more toward "will" than "won't." Our cousins at the Guardian claim it's a done deal, though no other outlets go that far. The vetting of Bill Clinton continues apace, and remains the largest hurdle left to clear (though there are some in Obamaland who just don't like the idea, period, regardless of the Bill question). Is it possible that the longer the job dangles out there, the better the chance some deal-killing story/scandal will break?
And if you're wondering why Clinton might want to take this job, rather than stay in the Senate and carve out a role as a master legislator, look no further than this CongressDaily story about health care reform. The story notes that the top four members of the Senate Finance and HELP committees will meet today on the subject. Clinton "will not be at the meeting, although [Max] Baucus said he did talk recently with her about pitfalls to avoid while attempting to overhaul health care this time around." Got that? Clinton won't be at the table when health care gets hammered out, but they will consult her about what NOT to do.
Along with possibly bringing Clinton into the Cabinet, Obama has been busy reaching out to other former foes. His meeting with McCain Monday was largely uneventful, the two men reportedly discussing cooperation on defense spending reform, corporate welfare (oh boy, a bipartisan commission! Call John Danforth), climate change and a handful of other topics.
And another Obama campaign trail antagonist,Lieberman, looks relatively safe at today's vote. He will likely get to keep the chairmanship of the Homeland Security panel but may instead lose a subcommittee gavel. If Obama's REALLY looking to reach out, forge a compromise, shake things up, and so on, how about Lieberman for Secretary of State? We hear the job is still available.
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Posted by: bn1123 | November 18, 2008 9:48 AM
On Lieberman, traitor Joe lives to see another day. I do not now if this is a case of mercy seasons justice, or expediancy.
Either way, Obama is a forgiving and quiet man...shrewdly so.
Now, Lieberman joins the ranks of congressmen who walk the halls with their backs to the wall. Not so much becaue he campaigned fro McCain. He is, after all, an Independent. Moreson, becasue he worked to undermine Obama with lies and innuendos. I don't care what party you're in. That's sleaze beyond even the pale of Washington. Or, so I thought.
I just hope traitor Joe he is contrite enough to back Obama when the White House butts heads with Israel instead of taking his orders from Tel Aviv.
Posted by: jmf3210 | November 18, 2008 1:32 PM
Keep your friend close, and your enemies closer... It's ok to keep that mangy dog onboard-- at least for the time being.
I have the utmost contempt for Lieberman-- but Obama is a brilliant politician and he's making all the right moves.
Posted by: alarico | November 18, 2008 1:33 PM
Evidently it will take the voters of Connecticut to get this jerk out of Congress - just like Stevens, the other members of the "club" continue to support their buddies no matter what. Be aware - Dems can be single issue voters too - and getting rid of Lieberman would be a highly consolidating issue. He is not now, and never has been a Democrat. He was only on the ticket as a slap to Clinton, and to try to bring the other Republicans along with him. He was more than happy to try to get onto the McCain ticket or to suck up in order to try for a Cabinet post once Palin had been chosen over him - maybe instead of thinking that Gore won the popular vote because of him, he should realize that even the Republicans would rather have Sarah Palin - his ego needs to go down about 90%, and he needs to be overridden on everything he suggests. He is a loser, and I am totally disgusted and ashamed that he is allowed to keep his position. Maybe it really is time to separate from the Dems and create a third party - one that would call Joe what he is - a self aggrandizing, egomaniacal, suck up who does whatever he thinks will benefit him and would walk across anyone with hobnail boots to get ahead. Maybe the Republicans were right to say that our party is all talk and no reform.
Posted by: rmcdetal | November 18, 2008 1:39 PM
Yeah, this is the moment I turn off the left leaning radio, and click off the left leaning blogs like Kos, because I am really sick of all the rants for "justice" after suffering 8 years of Bush. It is just not as important as getting stuff done. As angry as I am with Lieberman, the far left is off-base, because the revenge will just get in the way of getting the most important changes needed. The left claims to hold mantel of "peace" but it is just as emotionally violent in its tendencies as the right. Obama said all along he was for a different kind of politics. Now that we have Obama, the left attacks Obama's moves because it really is the change he promised. Talk to your enemies. Work with your enemies. That is what he said and that is what he intends to do. I am for it, knowing he is a much smarter, better one than me.
Posted by: LW22 | November 18, 2008 1:45 PM
Neo-con "Onward Christian Soldiers" Hillary as SOS
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html
Lieberman the Zionist traitor holds onto Homeland Security....
http://www.rense.com/general29/sen.htm
OK, I'll ask...
"CHANGE"....What's up with that?
"Change" what?
I do believe the young ex-Senator from Illinois has just been outted as your run-of-th-mill politico as usual.
"Change you can BELIEVE in"....
NOT.
Posted by: mommadona00 | November 18, 2008 2:15 PM
Few things are as satisfying as watching the left eviscerate one another.
Posted by: robert17 | November 18, 2008 2:50 PM
How disgusting that our elected leaders allowed this Republicans in dem clothing to keep his gavel.. send him packing connecticut voters the next election .. he is the basic reason gore did so poorly in 2000 with his joke of a debate with cheney who wiped the floor with him .. i am disgusted with reid too.. time for him to go so we can have a leader with a spine leading the dems ... hillary should stay in senate and challenge reid... joe lieberman's new nickname shoujld be benedict arnold and the clubby senate should have taken his gavel away .. and booted him across the aisle to the loser repubs ,,joe must go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: whatbull | November 18, 2008 2:57 PM
There's a time and place to keep your enemies close, and this isn't it.
By allowing Lieberman to keep his post, Ried is sending the message that it's just fine to vote with the republicans and that the constituents don't matter at all.
Harry Reid has betrayed us just as much as Lieberman, and needs to be removed from his leadership position.
Posted by: jeffc6578 | November 18, 2008 3:16 PM
And Matt Stoller at OpenLeft writes, "I sort of get tired of making this point, but Democratic leaders are often not on our side, they often don't agree with us, and it's foolish to consider them as teammates. They aren't."
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That's our best retort to Republicans who call the Democratic Party "socialists"!
Posted by: abqcleve | November 18, 2008 3:28 PM
If the president-elect does not/did not offer Senator Clinton the position, he adds insult to her campaign injury--although, after her defeat, she campaigned her heart out for him. Posted by: bn1123
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She campaigning far harder for the SOS than she ever did for Obama. Make no mistake: she scorched the earth in the the primaries and Obama owes her zip, nada, rien. Furthermore, with Bill's dubious business dealings with foreign heads of state, she's an absolute non-starter for the position. And for gawd's sake, keep her away from health care!
Posted by: abqcleve | November 18, 2008 3:31 PM
I too am unhappy with a rattlesnake like Joe Quisling getting to keep his committee seat, but running a hate campaign like Rush Limbaugh has done for the better part of his life is not the answer either. The American people have finally awakened from the snake oil the Republicans have offered them for the past 15 or so years, they are likely to be far less tolerant of that sort of thing if it comes from the other side, and it is contrary to the basic principles of good governance! Joe may not even be back after his current term expires, so I believe that taking the high road is the best way to proceed, as odious as it is. God knows, BushCo has broken this country, we need to fix it first, that is enough of a job to keep EVERYONE busy for a long time to come!
Posted by: squirebass | November 18, 2008 3:56 PM
Now Eric Holder !!! This is change we should believe in??
Posted by: indypol | November 18, 2008 3:59 PM
My gosh, it appears that a political orthodoxy acid test has taken over the left's consciousness, and notions of "bi-partisanship" and "reaching across the aisle" have suddenly gone the way of the Dodo bird. Lieberman is hardly a role model conservative, as he votes with the Dems almost universally on all issues-with the exception of foreign policy concerning the Middle East. I guess the self-appointed defenders of the (Democratic) faith would run a Sam Nunn or Scoop Jackson out to insure complete correctness and uniformity. Gee, that's what the Republicans were accused of...
Posted by: weaverlaw | November 18, 2008 4:12 PM
The Democrats are going to have to get some new leadership. Harry Reid has shown us time and again he doesn't have the spine to be a leader. Joe, well, I'd spit on him too, if he came within 10 feet of me.
Posted by: wayoffbaseguy | November 18, 2008 4:17 PM
This particular betrayal won't be forgotten or forgiven, ever.
Democrats had to take in on the chin when Zell Miller was bashing them over the head before, during and after the 2004 pres. campaign, he simply humiliated them into irrelevance.
People forget.
Now, here they are pandering to a genuine, authentic American Quisling/traitor and they are so unprincipled and so easily blackmailed (they literally talk themselves into it, look for excuses to back down) that they betray Democratic voters and demoralize them all over the country.
What do Democrats stand for anyway? They have no principles at all!! The Republicans are correct ... the only reason the Democrat weaklings won in 2006 was because the Republicans are Fascists.
They have no principles and thus, can't lead this country.
It is an outrage that taxpayers so willingly pay for and tolerate this cosseted, hideously expensive, inside-the-beltway country club. And certainly, The Quisling didn't fear anything at all when HE decided to stick the shiv into the Democrats, did he?
Posted by: strohblumen | November 18, 2008 4:47 PM
Senator Joe Lieberman (I-Israel) has received more consideration than he has given...or deserves. The so called leadership of the Democratic Party would be wise to watch him closely and to keep him on a short leash.
Posted by: mhhaggard | November 18, 2008 4:56 PM
I was adamantly opposed to LIEberman having any status in the Dem Caucus. He is very hawkish and pro Israel. BUT maybe he has been given the warning about this being his last chance, and he might take it upon himself to toe the line with the Dems---the majority party. He had to give up a lesser ranking position. The Reps. were throwing their arms open to him. He likely realized that being in the minority was not a good place to be. The possibility of AK, MN and GA having Dem Senate seats is still in play.
Posted by: ernieson | November 18, 2008 4:59 PM
What is the Democratic Party all about and why in hell do we voters continue to provide them with what they require to govern, only to see them slither off like a bunch of spineless creeps at the very first test of their mettle. This Lieberman affair has my blood boiling, and the Senate Dems could have eased my anger by throwing that Benwdict Arnold unto the scrapheap of history where he belongs. I've had it with these "leaders" on our side who have been hard-wired to capitulate to people who are wildly despised. First Nancy Pelosi with her stupid remark right after winning the House leadership, now our Senators are cowering to the Senator who represents the interests of Isreal more often than he does the people of CT.
Posted by: sicnarfe | November 18, 2008 5:01 PM
Remember, Harry Reid represents Nevada, a state fully controlled by organized crime. A corrupt politician representing a corrupt state. It's perfect. If the Democrats aren't happy with Reid, they are capable of replacing him. But they won't
Posted by: lowercaselarry | November 18, 2008 5:07 PM
I was right Obama is Kenyan for Pu$$y-cat!
Posted by: stephen3 | November 18, 2008 5:14 PM
Once Lieberman is appointed Chair of the DHS/Govt. Affairs committee, there will be NO possible way the Dems can hold him accountable, or strip him of his Chairmanship, as that would require a vote of the full Senate to accomplish, not a vote of the Dems by themselves.
So Lieberman will reward his clueless Dem. benefactors by slapping them in the face at every possible opportunity, holding investigations and launching subpoenas to stop Obama legislation Lieberman disagrees with.
Understand, the Dems have, in effect, rewarded Lieberman's helplessness by giving him veto-type power in the Senate.
Just from a tactical point of view, one does NOT reward such an incompetent DHS chairman as Lieberman-especially as it relates to giving the Bush Jr Administration a complete free pass for it's inefficient and lethal response during and immediately after Katrina-by giving him much power to thwart any bold legislation Obama may propose.
Lieberman will reward the Republicans for the Democrats overly-aggressive naivete, as he's given NO indication, especially with his past actions, he'll do right by the Obama Administration.
And the Dems will caterwaul about how they never saw Lieberman's anti-Obama agenda coming when they allowed him to keep his Committee chairmanship in spite of not-so-holy-Joe's attacking Obama at every possible opportunity during the campaign.
Posted by: kingcranky | November 18, 2008 5:16 PM
I don't think Hillary Clinton should be made Secretary of State. She has already shown bad judgement on foreign policy.
Posted by: bengtl | November 18, 2008 5:34 PM
Keeping Republican Joe --ooops, Democrat Joe -- is stupid and will come back to haunt Obama. Bad decision!!!!
Posted by: mckay01 | November 18, 2008 5:50 PM
I left the Democratic party about a year after Bush was appointed to his first term. It was apparant that the Democrats didn't have any backbone at all. They caved in to Bush on just about everything.
I couldn't associate with any organization so crippled with fear of their opponents.
Votes like today's Lieberman vote make me happy to be an Independent. The fact that 42 Democratic Senators placed their personal friendhsip with Lieberman ahead of their duty to their constituents tells me its business as usual in the Senate.
When Joe The Bummer Lieberman comes up for reelection, lets all get in touch and let him know we haven't forgotten his behavior. Donate money to whoever the Democratic Party chooses to run against Lieberman.
Posted by: fredfawcett | November 18, 2008 6:04 PM
Perhaps the further we go into the next administration we will find Nader's "Uncle Tom" comment less offensive. That is if we understand its intended meaning.
Posted by: hocus-focus | November 18, 2008 6:15 PM
Lieberman's going to have to kiss a lot of Democratic ass in the Senate if he wants those of us in CT to reelect him in 2 years (though *I* still won't vote for him). Still, it might be fun to watch.
Posted by: MockingbirdGirl | November 18, 2008 6:45 PM
This is not, primarily, an issue of political retribution. This is an issue of Lieberman continuing to occupy a key role from which he can facilitate more disastrous expenditure of American blood and treasure in the interests of his beloved Israel.
Anyone believes for one second that Lieberman will vote to break a Republican filibuster on policy change to draw down Iraq should have their head examined. Of course, to examine Reid's head, we'd have to have it surgically removed from Dick Cheney's butt first.
The missed opportunity to exert simple everyday party discipline pales in comparison to having a real Democrat chair Lieberman's committee.
Senator Reid, as for your "not apologizing for it," no hollow apologies from a pathetic man who dishonored his sworn duty to protect and defend the Constitution would matter in the first place.
Now it is up to us to make sure you are not reelected. I hereby commit myself to that noble cause, and will work tirelessly to bring dignity and resolve back to the Democratic Party.
Kumbaya my a$$. Same goes for you, Obama -- we didn't put you there for nothing. You best straighten up and fly right or you'll find yourself wondering what happened to your "mandate."
Posted by: dgblues | November 18, 2008 8:34 PM
Did I just read the words "defence spending reform"?
Can it truly be? In the United States of Runaway Militarism?
Pinch me, I must be dreaming.
Please, please, make it be true. Don't toy with me only to kill my hopes.
Posted by: bourassa1 | November 18, 2008 10:34 PM
Lieberman is a long time friend and admirer of John McCain, he did what he did for personal reasons and he had the "right".
Though the Dems have the "right" to yank his gavel for it.
It's being spun as the first concrete signs of "change". The truth probably lies somewhere between that welcome news and the cold hard fact the even Harry Reid can count to sixty.
The left is rolling their eyes because it's been so long since we had power, we forget what you have to do to keep it.
Posted by: dijetlo | November 19, 2008 12:19 AM
I had such high hopes for Obama and the change he envisioned. But his support of Joe the Senator is misguided. Others comments about his being in a position to make Obama’s life miserable is true… Joe the Senator will be the repugs best friend by questioning, investigating and generally getting in the way of Obama’s plans. There’s a reason congress (House & Senate) have a single digit approval rating. You have to figure 50% are repugs who would never like what Democrats do. The other 41% are Democrats who see the Democratic leaders and direction of the Democratic party as wrong… We have a chance to get out and vote for adding another Democrat to the Senate here in Georgia. However, watching Joe the Senator keep his leadership and Obama offering SOS to Hillary* is getting me down. What’s the point? So what if we get 60? You know Joe the Senator will vote with the repugs to continue the wars, stop any meaningful investigations or significant programs. Maybe I’ll just stay home on December 2nd. The Senate deserves having a slimebag like Saxby Chambliss sitting in with all the other slimebags…
*My vote for the best SOS would be Bill Richardson…
Posted by: PissedinGeorgia | November 19, 2008 8:12 AM
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If the president-elect does not/did not offer Senator Clinton the position, he adds insult to her campaign injury--although, after her defeat, she campaigned her heart out for him. He cannot have it both ways--appearing like the great unifier and a acting like a petty politician.'
As for the Democrats in the Senate who shut Hillary Clinton out of their proposals for health insurance reform, they are obviously afraid of her superior understanding of the field. The good old boy club lives on.
For more read:
http://www.reflectivepundit.com/reflectivepundit/2008/11/hillary-clinton.html