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8 a.m. ET: It's too early to know how history will judge the Bush administration's use of harsh interrogation techniques, and the Obama administration's decision to make the details public. But it is clear, one week after the White House sparked a partisan fight by releasing Bush-era legal memos, that one side is on offense and one is on defense.

Democrats want this conversation to be about a) whether these interrogation policies were legal, and b) whether the Bush administration officials who approved them should face prosecution. Republicans want the conversation to be about a) whether tough interrogations helped obtain information that made the country safer, and b) whether Democrats knew about the policies at the time and raised no real objections.

So far, Republicans are winning the message fight. Nancy Pelosi did not actually contradict herself yesterday -- she said she was briefed in 2002 that waterboarding had been approved for use, not that it actually had been used -- but the GOP spun her comments so hard that Democrats spent much of the day on the defensive. Instead of focusing on what was legally and morally right, much of Thursday's chatter was about parsing what Pelosi did or didn't hear at a seven-year-old briefing. And Democrats have been too busy arguing amongst themselves to develop a coordinated message, particularly on how to proceed going forward.

By Thursday night, Obama seemed to have cleared up any confusion about where he stands on forming a so-called "truth commission" to probe Bush-era misdeeds. Obama is against the idea, he "forcefully affirmed" to Hill leaders meeting at the White House. Harry Reid reportedly sided with the president, but Pelosi held out, and still wants such a commission. The divide guarantees that Democratic disunity will remain front and center, again obscuring the larger discussion of what the Bush administration actually did.

The party was similarly split over the move that sparked the current controversy -- the Justice Department's release last week of four Bush administration legal memos outlining and justifying harsh interrogation techniques. That decision, the Washington Post reports, came after a fierce debate within the White House. (An aside: Read the Post's account of the fateful meeting in Rahm Emanuel's office, which depicts Obama as soliciting opinions on both sides of the issue before making a firm decision. Then read this piece, about the storylines the White House wants to promote in advance of the 100-day milestone.)

Yet another internal administration dispute is now bubbling to the surface, this one over the forthcoming release of photos showing alleged abuse at prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan. Robert Gates said Thursday he's worried about a "backlash in the Middle East" over the photos, but the White House has decided to release them anyway in response to an ACLU effort to force the issue in court.

Even if Democrats are having problems with the tactics of the interrogation policy fight, it's worth remembering that they probably got the strategy right. Past polling suggests that while the public is divided on these issues, a majority of the public does believe a) that waterboarding constitutes "torture"; b) that the United States should not permit torture; and c) that the Bush administration's actions on this front should be investigated. All that context matters, suggesting that in the long term, Obama and his fellow Democrats may well be doing the right thing here. But in the short-term, they'd probably prefer to just talk about something else.

By Ben Pershing  |  April 24, 2009; 8:00 AM ET
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A (CAMP) X-RAY VIEW OF TORTURE, AMERICAN-STYLE?

"100 days" press conference question for POTUS


Mr. President:


The Senate Armed Services Committee report on "enhanced interrogation techniques" used at Guantanamo stated at least twice that detainees were subject to "induced physical weakness and exhaustion."


The report also stated that detainees were subject to "physiological and psychological pressures" and "environmental manipulation."


Has your administration inquired as to what "induced" these effects...


...and whether detainees were exposed to microwave radiation devices such as so-called "directed energy weapon" discharges... or any other type of radiation, including X-rays, gamma rays, sonic waves, or laser "dazzlers"?


If detainees were exposed to radiation, does that not constitute "torture" and "cruel and unusual punishment" in and of itself?


http://nowpublic.com/world/bush-torture-memos-oked-radiation-weapon-use-americans-too

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america


OR (if links are corrupted):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | April 24, 2009 9:14 AM

Hello everyone,

I cannot for the life of me, understand why we are affording our constitution protections beyond our borders. The islamofacist are try to kill every man, woman, child in our country. It is Hitler with a turban.

As far as water boarding, most Democrats knew what was happening and probably approved it. This is mean old time politics and is threatening the very fiber of our lives.

Posted by: xbronx1 | April 24, 2009 9:38 AM

I find it sick and disgusting that the washington post is more worried about who is winning the "spin" than what is happening to PEOPLE! This article is representative of what is wrong with you sick people in the media, Im not even going to call it mainstream anymore because the mainstream is polluted. This is sickening! The Bush administration needs to be prosecuted and if the Obama administration wastes 4 years and does not prosecute, they are guilty of the same WAR CRIMES the Bush adminsitration is guilty of through tacit approval.

Why in heavens name and who on God's green creation decided to run with this tripe? The washington Post might believe that torture somehow helps the US and its causes but that is untrue. It only hurts us. ANYONE, ANYONE! Who knew of torture and said nothing should be sent to prison after paying restitution and apologizing to the individuls who were tortured and had nothing to do with terrorism. The washington post should apologize to its readers for its yellow journalism.

Posted by: jalexander26000 | April 24, 2009 9:39 AM

What a crock of...there is mention of what is morally correct. Why is it so easy to pick and chose what is moral to satisfy personal quest? If we are going to take a moral stand towards human life, then be moral at every turn including the unborn.

We were/are at war with the terrorist that came into our civil/moral country and without regard for human life and morality killed our citizens and destroyed our property. We have lost battles and a war not to long ago because we politicized the process. So, should we ask these "moral" terrorist to "please tell us and if you do we will give you a lolly-pop? Or as they had taken off the gloves and picked a fight that we should fight them with gloves on? I don't think any sane person would believe that we would win the fight. I hope those ruthless terrorist were shown the same amount of mercy as they showed the people in those airplanes on 911. God help this country, we have gone soft and insane to the point that we want to criminalize the actions of our past president of the United States for terrorizing the terrorist just to make a "moral" point. GIVE ME A BREAK!

Posted by: hanocul6 | April 24, 2009 9:43 AM

Neoclown bananarepublican strategy:

If you tell a lie long enough people will start thinking it's the truth.

Posted by: rooster54 | April 24, 2009 10:30 AM

For Obama to be successful in socializing this nation he must demonize his opposition and stir hatred for them among his faithful. And, that is exactly what he is doing. Unfortunately, his methods are becoming so transparent, that he is also angering many of the moderate Democrats and Independents that he needs to support his agenda.

Obama decided to quash the "Truth Commission", not because he wanted to let the tirade die down, but because it became apparent that the "truth" would damage the Democrats at least as much as it would the Republicans.

The sorriest part of this whole debacle is that media has played a leading role and fanned the flames, without ever demanding that Obama release the remainder of the memos, or the names of the Congressmen and Senators who enabled the interrogations by enthusiastically voting to approve their use.

Posted by: mike85 | April 24, 2009 10:50 AM

Hey jalexander26000, Allow me to suggest to you that if and your lib friends want to pursue this witch hunt against the prior administration, let me remind you of the prior admin. You know, the one before Bush? Yes indeed; you want an investigation, then bring it on! Let's parade the entire Clinton admin in front of Congress and ask them who knew what and when about the FACT they sent captured prisoners to other countries in order to "interrogate" them to extract info the admin indeed needed. Yes, that's right my friend, we sent the prisoners to other countries with less restrictions on torture, etc, for the specific reason to get information about our enemies. Go figure, huh?

So where do you see this witch hunt ending? How far back in history would you like to go with this? Do you honestly think it's in our country's best interest to set this kind of precedent? If you do, liberals are much more naive than even I thought they were.

BTW: Please don't come crying or pointing fingers "yet again" when the next attack on our soil happens in the next 4 years. I don't want to hear it. But trust me; it IS coming.

I've never been afraid for US safety than I am right now.

Posted by: dougheil | April 24, 2009 11:15 AM

Winning the spin wars?? Under what metric?? Most Americans do not approve of torture and that's just what the previous administration did. You can spin it any way you want, but pesky facts by way of polls tell the full story; and as far as I know, there's no poll that backs your wild claim of victory made in this piece of GOP propaganda.

Posted by: lilpixiefig@aol.com | April 24, 2009 11:49 AM

What a load of horse apples. To paraphrase, "I didn't know that they meant waterboarding when I said I was all behind it...Ok..well,now I remember now, I know they said waterboarding .. but that was never really described before I enthusiastically backed it! Ok...I could and should have found out what it was... but I was busy, ok!?!?!?!?
No, not ok.At least Bush and company had the guts not to run from their decision.

Posted by: cmcapcld | April 24, 2009 1:44 PM

I despise waterboarding. I have a daughter in the military and I wouldn't rely too heavily on information gained for her safety by waterboarding. However, it appears that reliable information was gained through this technique. The question isn't just is waterboarding bad but just who approved of it. How dare the Dem's or anyone back a technique and then try to pawn off all responsibility onto someone else. Oh what ineresting change we find in the Obama years. Oh yes, my, my! Bill Clinton anyone?
I remember the definition of "is", and this is incredible!

Posted by: cmcapcld | April 24, 2009 2:00 PM

"It's too early to know how history will judge the Bush administrations usage of harsh interrogation techniques..."

Ben, here's a way out prediction:

History will regard the Bush administration as the most corrupt administration in the 234 year history of the country and the only administration that ordered and oversaw the large scale implementation of torture.

Ben, it will kind of like the way history regards the Nazi's administration of harsh interrogation techniques which justifially resulted in death sentences for those who ordered and carried out the torture.

It's TORTURE. It's the ordering, sanctioning and carrying out war crimes. Starting at the top by chickenhawk professional crooked politicians, filtering down through and administered by sadists in the CIA and military who knew it was torture.

Ben, how do you think history will regard Muller ordering the FBI not to participate in torture? Do you think history will say that the Mueller's and his FBI agents hated America?


Republican torture apologists are a disgrace.

Posted by: Patriot3 | April 24, 2009 6:22 PM

To ensure a valid process, Pelosi, Reid, and any other Senator or Representative who was briefed at any time about these subjects should recuse themselves and stay far away from any committees or panels. These people are tainted, either in fact or in perception, and the public deserves a fair, balanced, and thorough process.

Posted by: korm | April 24, 2009 7:52 PM

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