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Did Hillary Convince Hillary?

"Barack Obama est Mon Candidat." (Barack Obama is my candidate.) That much of Hillary Clinton's speech made it onto Le Monde's Web site this morning, and presumably penetrated the French public's awareness as well. With the speech too late for the newspapers (again), Europeans wanting to play catchup could check out video clips. (Is this the first convention that will be watched in large part on YouTube?) But even without those, the general message of determined unity made it across the Atlantic. Or more or less. One British friend emailed me: "One question: Really, was her heart in it, do you think?"

What could I say? Does being American give you a deeper insight into Hillary's true thoughts? On the contrary, I'm watching the same DNC video recording of the speech that everybody else is watching, and I'm as perplexed about Hillary's heart as the next person. In fact, I'm pretty sure that she meant to mean what she said. But her face is so stiff, her gestures so rehearsed, she never quite sounds like she believes it.

And the farther away you get, geographically, the more her performance looks like a Kabuki play, carefully staged for TV. Which it is. Though it might be sincere as well. Who knows?

By Anne Applebaum  | August 27, 2008; 10:35 AM ET
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Why all the psychoanalysis? I wonder if the media will ever be able to collectively or individually come to terms with their obsession with the Clintons. Ms. Applebaum and many other pundits would do better to address their own issues in some good psychotherapy. It would be money well spent both for them, since it might help them move past their obsessions, and for those of us who hope for opinion columns free of amateur analysis. Really, Ms. Applebaum; I can recommend a lot of good therapists, and you'd be doing us all a huge service if you could persuade Maureen Dowd to get some help too. Her fixation on the Clintons seems extraordinary.

Posted by: ezr1 | August 27, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Bravo to ezr1

Posted by: anon | August 27, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Tres bon, Hillary.

She has done more than her fair share. Now, it's up to her opponent's team to do the rest.

Posted by: moiaussi | August 27, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Why all the psychoanalysis? Well, for one, the Clintons are ripe for the couch. Their message is always about themselves and their extraordinary accomplishments for mankind. Last night's Hillary performance was steeped in egotism and self-grandeur. Nothing new of course, but at a perilous time for the Democratic Party. A night she could have emphatically embraced Barack Obama turned into her first campaign speech for 2012. A sorry state of affairs for Obama supporters. With Bill Clinton speaking tonight things could get worse for Obama, as he is seemingly playing second fiddle to the Clintons. Unbelievable!

Posted by: rulo123 | August 27, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Applebaum, Im looking at your own face and have decided there's nothing truthful coming out of your writings. You need to find a hobby.

Posted by: Dru | August 27, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Hey Applebaum. Tres Bien! You are right on the money. It was a Kabuki theater, setting the stage for Hillary 2012. Hillary's acting does deserve an Oscar nomination.

Posted by: US Army Veteran | August 27, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Hillary does NOT WANT Obama to be President.

Posted by: Mary | August 27, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

God damn the American Main Stream Media.

Posted by: Beth | August 27, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The whole democratic convention looks like a kabuki play and you sit there and blame Hillary for it? She has done everything she can to sell Obama since conceding. But there is only so much you can do for a loser like Obama.

I am so sick of you media types bashing Hillary because your messiah turned out to be a fraud and you don't have the courage to admit you were complicite in forcing that fraud upon us.

Now that it is obvious that democrats picked the wrong canidate you decide to take it out on Hillary for being right. God how typical.

Posted by: Hillary2012 | August 27, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

In here heart, Hillary knows that Obama is not right for America. She is a loyal Democrat and if she did not support Obama, the Democrats would rip her apart. Look what they did with Joe L. a few years ago.

McCains the man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Joyce | August 27, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

It's refreshing in a perverse sort of way that the WaPo doesn't even try anymore to mask its reflexive antipathy towards the Clintons

Posted by: m,ikef | August 27, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Kabuki play? Seems that Maureen Dowd is not the only female columnists at a major newspaper who cannot let go of kicking Hillary around. Not to mention the talking heads on cable TV.
Since you are in line with the Republicans' talking points, you are the ones who will ultimately hurt Senator Obama.
For more on the unrealistic burden that the media and the Obama camp put on Senator Clinton's shoulders, read:

Posted by: BrigN. | August 27, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

The media is certainly working overtime trying to increase the gap between Hillary and Obama voters. In fact, the media is obsessed with trying to convey discontent within the Democratic Party! The pollsters are just as obsessed as the media!

So, why hasn’t the media been interesting in the division between Republicans, Libertarians and the Third Party? The Libertarians have a membership of 55,000,000 – give or take. Ron Paul has a very good change of robbing McCain of votes in the south and western states. The court has ruled that Ohio must put the Libertarian Party pick (Barr) on the ballot. That along must be causing panic for McCain’s people!

So media and pollsters, why is it so important to continue your obsession with Hillary and Obama? Why are you so determination to portray the Democratic Party as a train headed for collision in November? Why not focus on McCain and the battle he will be facing as voters vote for Barr or Ron Paul! So, which Party is having a problem with unity?

Sounds like the Republicans are headed for a collision with the Third Party and the Libertarians!

Posted by: Dee | August 27, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

How does pathetic excuses for decent human beings like yourself sleep at night ?

Posted by: timebanded | August 27, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Now all Hillary needs to do is admit that she was lying, the heat of the campaign, when she endorsed McCain for president and told us Obama was not ready to be commander in chief. Otherwise her political career is over forever.
Many of her followers are proving that they never supported her on the issues, they just wanted a woman, any woman, to be president. These same people would have voted for Condi Rice. They don't care about our country, just themselves. And of course many of Hillary's most rabid supporters are just common everyday racists.

Posted by: john | August 27, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the man.

McCain is a warmonger. I dont understand how somebody can support McCain. he will wage a war against Iran. he will be in Iraq for 100 years. he is the biggest loser.

If you choose McCain, you have no brains and you are just looking at the color

Posted by: Peace-truth Lover | August 27, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of whether or not Hillary herself believes Obama to be the best candidate is irrelevant because she SHOULD believe that she herself is the best candidate. After all, who runs for office believing their opponent is better for the job? Since Hillary ran herself, naturally, she believes she should be the president of the United States and I'm inclined to agree.

Hillary is still best for the job and the the future of the U.S. does seem dire if all we have to choose between is obama and mccain.

Posted by: M | August 27, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Forget Hillary. Forget Bill.None of this matters for the Obama fans in the cable and network news media.
They're all giddy with anticipation of Obama's speech Thursday.
They believe whatever uncomfortable feelings they might have about the past, present or future, Obama can make them all go away with a speech.

Posted by: mediahack | August 27, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I think that Hillary did everything she could to bring her supporters into camp. Those of us who still refuse to vote for Obama have made up our own minds, and are not responding to some kind of secret, subliminal code she was transmitting.

We are not -- after all -- Hillary's slaves. Now that she's out of the picture, we can choose to go where we like.

I think it's kind of rich for people to be trying to probe behind Hillary's psychological curtain, looking for signs of insincerity in her body language.

Especially since many of the people doing it are supporting a candidate who doesn't have a sincere bone in his body.

Posted by: prettierthanthou | August 27, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Who knows? More importantly, who cares?

I agree with moiaussie that "'s up to her opponent's team to do the rest."

The ball is in your court now, Barry. Take it to the hoop with your charisma or get trounced by a septuagenarian sage. Hillary has left the building.

Posted by: Flayle | August 27, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I think erz1 is really on to something. Some of the deep analysis that goes into this piece indicates a real fixation. Ms Applebaum, what is your obsession with her--why would anyone think that you would have such a deep interest in Hillary's mind and heart. Why are you interesting in passing that on to the readers. You are revealing a lot about yourself and your feelings in this.

Posted by: alittleskeptic | August 27, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

They use the media and the media uses them right back. They speculate and lie, media speculates if it's the truth. Where is the problem?

Posted by: boobie | August 27, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

as a canadain who followed the procedure i ws so surprised obama didnt go with hillary. last nights graceful and insightful showing by her said just one thing.
he blew it. you missed out on it.

Posted by: donna mclean | August 27, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Hillary meant that she wants Obama to win. Nobody in thios world is worse than the Bush family. Hillary is a Goddess compared to McCain, Bush and Cheney.

All of you are male chauvinistic. This country is not forward minded at all. The most backward country in the world.

Posted by: Peace-truth Lover | August 27, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

It's a tough call so best to err on the side of caution... After all, only a few short months ago she emphatically believed Obama canNOT lead.

Of course she must show loyalty to The Democrat Party that she and Bill helped rebuild. But that biased approach is something really detestable to most independents, the ones who will determine the outcome of this year's election. Now it's "Get a Democrat elected at ANY cost!". Much the same Democrat mentality as "Get a woman elected at ANY cost!" or "Get a black man elected at ANY cost!". This is purely the ideology of ambition not about the actual policies being hawked.

So Hillary is pulling all the stops trying to sell Obama even though she actually believes he's way too inexperienced, has too many negative long term associates, and is extremely slick, shifty and ambiguous. It seems all that matters is getting him into power. That's the ingenuous exclamation point at the end of her speech... which was in fact well delivered especially considering how she started out a few years ago.

Posted by: Dr. Dave | August 27, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

ezr1 speaks for me, too. The obsessive media need to psychoanalyze not only the Clintons but every politician on the scene (though Democrats seem particularly vulnerable to this treatment) verges on parody.

She said what she said, and she said it well. Deal with it, Applebaum.

Posted by: greens | August 27, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"John" is the type of Obama supporter that makes it difficult for the rest of middle america to accept Obama as president. Obama's supporters will smear non-obama supporters in every way possible by threatening us with the label of "racist" if we don't fall in line and swoon for Obama's lofty, insubstantial, and vague policies like the rest of the obamaniacs.

If people are racist for not voting Obama, then Obama's supporters are not only racist AND sexist. They won't vote for a woman because they hate women in power AND they vote for Obama because they hate whites. How about that then huh? If whites are racist for not voting Obama, then Obama's supporters are racist for having near 100% of black voters in america.

Posted by: gm | August 27, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama is isn't ready and McCain is past his prime...

Bob Barr 2008!

Posted by: Christian | August 27, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me? Hillary is a robot. The real ugly truth is that Obama ran a more effective primary campaign. For all of their bluster Clinton supporters did NOT fund $$$ her campaign!!!! She lost and can't really come to grips with it. That's why she needs center stage, her form of extortion... Obama is a loser! Obama can't gain experience and foriegn policy experience by having that idiot Biden (1% of primary votes) who no one wanted as prez, a heartbeat away. I can't wait until that train wreck Bided sticks his foot in his mouth. The dems look like retards...

Posted by: david z | August 27, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Why should the Democrat choice for President have to worry about support from the primary loser? Only one answer: weakness.

Posted by: mb3000 | August 27, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

All this doesn't matter.
The performance was good for the moment.

Posted by: Shazzle | August 27, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Joe Lieberman is a turncoat and should have been dealt with in a harsher manner. He should be tossed out if the demcratic party. And as for McCain, no matter what Hillary may have said during the campaign (and they all do it) ...the last thing Hillary wants is McCain in the white house. So you can spin it any way you like, she is not a McSame supporter.

Posted by: steve | August 27, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

The jaded Hillary supporters are just as bad as the worst of the propagandista Republicans, turning anything they deem negative to their beloved that they can - without bothering to analyze or consider the point being first - into some kind of anti-Obama spin.

Maybe it's a right-wing netroots movement, it's hard for me to believe people who support someone with policies as good as Clinton's would really be so dumb.

Clinton didn't sound like her heart was in it. That's got nothing to do with Obama being a 'false messiah' or her thinking she's 'betraying her party' by supporting him with full heart. How pathetic. She didn't sound too sincere for very human reasons. Anyone who came so close to being the presidential nominee would be upset and find it hard to so suddenly embrace their once rival. Ted Kennedy didn't get as close as Clinton did and he threw a major tantrum at the convention some 30 years ago.

While I wish Clinton could sound more sincere for the sake of the country, it certainly gives her a human element, that she has trouble just whipping around and supporting someone she made so clear she would take down at all costs in the primary. Unfortunately, that human element is her pride and ego, but what politician doesn't have more than their fair share of that?

Posted by: Thomas | August 27, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

who cares if she meant it or not? this is politics people - it IS a game, whether you like it or not. do you forget what the republicans did to her and her husband? hello? if anyone wants to see the GOP lose, it's the Clinton's. of course this was bittersweet for her, as it would have been for Obama had he lost the primary instead. i guarantee that he'd be "rah rah-ing" for Hillary if the tables were turned. why? b/c BOTH of them know the dangers of electing McCain. and Ms. "Clinton2012" you are a traitor and stupid. Like Hillary said last night,"did you do this for me? or for that little boy that needs health care?" ask yourself that question before you angrily vote for mccain (who still has a penis in case you forgot). unless it's the color that is an issue; if that's it: shame shame on you.

Posted by: atruepatriot | August 27, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

A kabuki play is a worthy analogy, the entire event is scripted. Obama will accept the nomination with the facade of a Greek amphitheater as a backdrop, which has several symbolic messages.

1. The white house itself
2. As an immortal or great intellect
3. symbolic of Kennedy's acceptance speech

I agree it's hard to speak about sincerity when your lines and actions are all by design.

Posted by: Yota | August 27, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

If Hilary ever wants to be president, obama cannot be elected. If he loses, she will be on the ticket in 4 years, but if he wins, no chance for her. It will be Obama for 8 years. What would you do in her shoes?

Posted by: l.b. | August 27, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

ezr1 is right on - let's include Chrissy Matthews and Olbermann in the therapy group along with Dowd. Leve O'Reilly and Hannity out of the group - they are just not worth trying to save. The media is just disgusting in their over analysis.

Posted by: anon | August 27, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

If you think the democratic convention looks like a Kabuki play, wait 'til you see the Republican Convention! And that's easy to predict, because Republican Conventions are so boringly predictable - no drama; always a coronation of the perfect All-American candidate. Of course, their policies will favor about 2 percent of Americans, but it won't play that way, because it's not in the script. Sure the Democrats are scripted too, but at least you can get into discussing realities about a Democratic Convention.

Posted by: Peter | August 27, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I have to ask the question... What exactly would it take for Obama's supporters to feel that Hillary had really and truly supported him?

She has campaigned for him in a way that is above and beyond what other rivals have done in past races.

She delivered a strong endorsement of him last night from the moment she took the stage.

She took on McCain and the Republicans in her speech in a way that has not yet been done at this convention.

Could the Obama supporters possibly be looking at this through their own prism that casts a hue of self-importance, arrogance, "entitlement," and all of the other negative descriptions that have been used about Hillary Clinton?

Turn that prism on yourselves and on your candidate for a moment and you might see why there is still a push back against Barack Obama and his candidacy, even among those that "should" be supporting him.

Just a thought.

Posted by: Jsimon | August 27, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

One thing should be very clear about Hillary. She wants to run for president in 2012. If Obama gets elected, he will run for re-election thus crushing her presidental aspirations. So for Hillary to run in 2012, which she desperately wants to do, McCain has to win. This is the only way for her to run in 2012..against McCain. Considering a full 1/3 of democrats will be voting for McCain, this is the stage being set. Obama could have won the election and secured 2 terms if he had chosen her as his vice-president. Now he's finished.

Posted by: Doug Lamb | August 27, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Isn't that "she meant to mean it" enough? Didn't she endorse Barack Obama thoroughly and implore her supporters, for the sake of the cause they believe in, to join her? Didn't she slap McCain around pretty well, calling him Bush's twin meeting with him next week in the Twin Cities? Nobody put a gun to her head. She said what she meant to say. For Democrats it should be clear: we must unite and get these destructive Republicans out of the White House. Four more years of corrosion to our democracy is too much of a price to pay for the sake of a single candidate. She knows that, and nearly all of her supporters know it as well.

Posted by: Chuck | August 27, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Good Lord, the comments here are relentless. I know nothing about acting, but I know a bad performance when I see one. The words coming out of Hillary's mouth fit the entire bill of the Obama campaign. Did she look like she supported a word of what she said? Absolutely not, and who can blame her? Obama's words are all just empty phrases strung together by his favorite catch-alls, "hope" and "change." Hillary has been forced to regurgitate the same nonsense so that it seems she wholeheartedly supports him. Frankly, I feel sorry for Hill after her performance last night. I guess we're all just supposed to dumbly follow the Obamessiah together.

Posted by: Claire | August 27, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

The media and press talk about the obsession the public has with the Clinton's, but it is the press and media who are obsessed.

Clinton gave an excellent speech last night whether you like her or not. Spin it anyway you like, find the smut, send it to Rove and they can add it to their smear campaigns they have done during the last 10 or more years. Rove did an excellent smear campaign on Kerry and then McCain so this is nothing new for him.

The sexism displayed by the press and media during this election has been appalling.

When your say that Hilary isn't sure or doesn't get it that she is not the candidate. I think she does get it and has done more for the Obama campaign than others in her position would have ever done.

It is you that doesn't get it. Find something else to write about that is less sensationalistic. I am not asking you to use your critical thinking skills because that is not what you do.

Posted by: Joy McCloskey | August 27, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

No. I do not think she could convince herself.. I am not convinced too.

There are multitude of questions about Obama's background, Character, 20 years of association with radical pastor wright and other convicted folks... besides rediness to lead and protect this country from fundamentalist islamic terrorists

Posted by: jon | August 27, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

You are sooooo right Applebaum! I really liked the metamorphosis of Nobama to NoMcCain. She is as unsubtle as can be. She wants him to lose so she can rescue the party and the nation in '12. The more I see of her, the less I like and respect her. With so many fantastic women in politics(three in my state-Murray,Cantwell and Gregoire) why is there such idolatry for Hillary? I think it's an unfortunate identification and sharing of her marital and political humiliations.

Posted by: seattlecold | August 27, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

By the way, contrary to some of the people posting, it isn't the Obama people who are saying she isn't doing enough. It is Republicans and "Operation Chaos" people trying to sow dissension - along with the media trying to sow a story (they're not particular - they'll take anything).

Posted by: Chuck | August 27, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Hilary2012 thank you for hitting the nail on the head! You are exactly right!

Posted by: AN in DC | August 27, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Hillary2012... so, you wanted a woman for president. it didn't work out. and now, you're spewing a bunch of illogical nonsense, putting words in people's mouth (who said obama was a messiah?), and calling someone who hasn't yet had a chance to do anything other than make a few speeches 'a fraud'? An emotionally strung out irrational female... How typical. And Applebaum, for the love of god, get a real job. Your 'story' was neither informative, nor insightful. Middle school 'journalism' aimed at inciting hateful rhetoric at best.

Posted by: calmNrational | August 27, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

There isn't a chance in the world I'd vote for Hillary because she isn't genuine. But she has ABSOLUTELY done her fair share to flip around and endorse Obama while she's still in pain and deep in debt. She's far more believable than Romney.

And why wouldn't she be? Anyone who isn't too greedy to truly love this great nation would be so heartbroken over our crumbling infrastructure, soaring college costs, and depressing war that they would do anything to stop the Republicans and bring relief to the many instead of just a few fortunate. It's just not worth it to continue fighting against Obama's Movement, which will not end even if he loses. If he loses, it will strengthen and become a problem to the winner and spin off further movements.

Posted by: Linda | August 27, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Take nothing Applefritz says seriously! When her husband was in the semi-Fascist Polish government of Kaczynski she defended it despite its open anti-semitism. Now that her husband, having resigned, is in a new more wholesome governmental coalition she doesn't have to hem and haw so much. But she is an opportunists and a neocon to boot.

Posted by: candide | August 27, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Will Obama and his supporters ever cease to look for a scapegoat why they may lose in November? Is rigging caucuses and calling their opponents racists their only "strategy"? It doesn't take much to find out Obama became both a State Senator then a US Senator virtually unopposed, so it didn't surprise the PUMAs when he needed the DNC to "assign" him delegates to put him over the top. One starts to quickly wonder who the men behind the curtain are and it becomes painfully obvious that, mysteriously, there is no corporate sponsored smear campaign against him as there was and CONTINUES TO BE against the Clintons. Follow the money, and it's not going against Obama. That speaks volumes to me.

Posted by: SJWoodChipper | August 27, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Who cares that Obama is black? To think that people dislike him for the color of his skin is the height of disdain for Mr. Obama. There's SO many reasons in the world to dislike him that his detractors don't need his ethnicity as a cause for dislike. Color is the least of his problems.

For example, he's never had to make a single tough decision in politics since he simply hasn't been around for long. Unlike other politicians, he hasn't had to account for some of the biggest things to happen in the U.S. for the past few years. We should all be so lucky to have absolutely nothing for people to discuss simply because we have no record.

If I wanted a young novice who is full of empty bluster and idealistic rhetoric, I might as well vote a toddler into the office of presidency.

And lets not forget Obama is a flip-flopper who already changed his stance on various things before he's even officially nominated. The media let that destroy John Kerry but the same media, which is obviously vehemently pro-obama, has mysteriously not mentioned a word about Obama's flip-flopping. Hnnn I wonder why. Perhaps it's becaus Obama is the candidate that the media created?

Posted by: therealpatriot | August 27, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Hillary did her job. She roused the fractious crowd by giving a generic Democratic speech, one that blamed the Republicans for everything wrong in America and much of the world - oil prices, war, pestilence, famine, drought, my baldness and your lumbago. Just elect the Democrats, she opined, and nirvana will be ours. Truly, friends, is there anyone who still believes this rot? Other than Nancy Pelosi, of course. BTW, loved the orange pantsuit!

Posted by: Paul Bloustein | August 27, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Dont repeat the bad choices of the last few decades by voting for Obama or McCain.

Ron Paul is the one who can repair America.

He isnt changing his view on issues to get people's votes.

Posted by: The Master | August 27, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Applebaum is right! Only she is just being polite. Hilary looks like the Walking Dead. Hilary has sold her soul so many times there is simply nothing left of her.

1) She was a lawyer for Walmart
2) She and her husband created NAFTA just for Wallmart to pay less taxes and to make China into a super power monster.
3) She threw herself in debt to run for president and now she has to kiss Obama because he agreed to pay 50% of her debt if she would prostitute herself in front of the camera. Obama loves it (what a pimp!)

She has been sleeping with the enemy so long she is just a zombie now. It's sad. She is a strong woman who went down the wrong road.

Posted by: it's a republic | August 27, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Ha ha... how understandably human to bring up what's in Hilary's heart but how juvenile as well! Hillary's speech is great, even if it was very self referential... She would have made a great president but it is not her calling this time around. She may have set herself up for a chance in the future and who can blame her. During the speech, she said to her supporters, "Did you really vote her me or for the Americans that I have met, felt for and worked for?" The issues that she stands for are the same that ones that Obama works for... which is the reason she asked her supporters to embrace Obama. Who cares what's in her heart. When the media analysts finally confront what's in their hearts and take responsibility for their words that unfortunately have so much impact on others.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama doesn't want to win, why blame Clinton?
He's established his brand and can make millions now without being President, and maybe even win the Nobel Prize like Gore.
It's obvious he has lost interest and was only there to keep a candidate from winning who might(and I mean might not would have) delivered a domestic program to Americans. All Americans have left is a demented foreign policy. This suits the wealthy interests that run our country.

Posted by: nelly | August 27, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

The "Obama Movement" is filled with a bunch of silly automatons with no free will. If the future of this country is determined by them, then I seriously fear for our future.

I like how Obama's supporters are willing to smear the Clintons in any way possible while their candidate can do no wrong. Well, the Clintons have actually WORKED in politics so yes, they've made mistakes, and yes, they have the record for people to criticize.

So why is it that nobody has criticized Mr. Obama's political record? Is it because he's been absolutely perfect? No. it turns out he HAS no record.

And I'm furious that the very people who have benefited the most from the clintons' assistance has now turned on them like the heartless rabid dogs they are simply because a "fellow brother" is running for president. Oh so that's how it is? You like the clintons as long as no black person is running against them? Talk about biting the hand that feeds.

And I love how Obama's supporters are trying to link the clinton's with China. Yes, as if the clintons single-handedly made China rich and powerful. Oh please. Even without Walmart, China is on the rise. Obama's supporters are simply trying to tarnish Hillary with the collective fear of "the yellow peril" but too bad, turns out Hillary supports are educated too and we're not so easily manipulated.

If you really want to look for a traitor, you should look at Obama and his financial links with that shady figure in Chicago (i forget his name).

Obama wants us to believe that he's like the regular American and he's not one of the priviledged (unlike those evil rich republicans). But the fact of the matter is, he's filthy rich and so is his wife. During Mr. Obama's time in the senate, his wife earned over 390,000 a year.

It sickens me that Obama pretends to be better than he is and pretend that he cares when he's obviously as rich and powerful as the worst of them. At least the republicans admit they're rich old white guys. You don't see the republicans being filthy rich while still whining about being ostracized.

Posted by: patriots unite! | August 27, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

There's no better way to brand yourself a moron than calling someone a 'flip-flopper'. Aside from being a completely idiotic notion that a person must never change stance on anything despite everything, it's not even a word that an adult--well, other than mr. bush--would use. It aims at the lowest common denominator which understands any issue at hand on the level of 'he used to say that. he ain't sayin that no more'. And it shows weakness an 'inability to lead' no more than swerving to avoid hitting a tree or a head on collision (which I suppose is ultimate 'flip-flopping')

Posted by: slyFox | August 27, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm really sick of hearing that Hillary wants to be president in 2012. That doesn't matter nor make sense. First, I'm pretty sure she's still exhausted enough to not think about another campaign. Secondly, it's not like the situation is 'Oops, missed it. Well, I'll try again in four years.' She's a smart cookie, I think she'd know that the political landscape could be different in four years anyway. It's just too far. Secondly, I'm pretty sure she'd rather not be president than to see McCain in the White House.
And YAY Joe McClosky, I agree.

Posted by: Devon T. | August 27, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I think Hillary Clinton truly loves America. So, no, I don't think her heart was in it. How could it be? She knows this election is a choice between two evils.

What's relevant is that Clinton was given a brutal assignment and she pulled it off with elan. Anyone who thought her face was stiff must spend more time watching cartoons than real people. Her face reflected her pride, her pain and her resolve. Contrast that with the bitter, angry look of disdain the cameras kept catching on the made-over Michelle Obama's face.

Hillary Clinton may not be your hero, but she sure is mine.

Posted by: Lynn | August 27, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

To slyfox: My issue with Obama is not so much that he's "flip-flopped" but rather that it shows the media's severe bias for anything Obama. The media let "flip-flopping", the most ridiculous term ever coined, to destroy Kerry's chances. And yet, the very same media doesn't breath a word about Obama's "flip-flopping". You don't find that odd? Whenever the media whimpered, whined, and howled against Kerry's "flip-flopping", I just rolled my eyes. But the fact that the media is silent about Obama identical behavior, it caught my attention. "Flip-flopping" is not a valid criticism of a politician. However, refusing to say anything negative about Obama is a cruel breach of the media's responsibility.

I think an intelligent person SHOULD change their mind when overwhelming evidence compels them. However, in Obama's case, I think he only did it to get votes. He's basically changing EVERYTHING he "believes" in to get people to vote for him. That tells me in believes in nothing. I bet he has a pack of people to collect statistics on what most people believe and then he adopts it in his platform. His goal is to get votes, not improve this country or even to rescue us from our current problems.

Posted by: therealpatriot | August 27, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Yes, please do get therapy. Thank you, whoever said that first.

Posted by: Stephanie | August 27, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

My main reason for not voting for HRC in the primary is that I beleive 99% of what she says in all a political calculation. That is ultimately why she voted to authorize Bush to pre-mptively attack another country. Such calculations show someone who is interested in an agenda of promotion of themselves, not any particular policy. It should be no surprise that she appeared kabuki like. But she did what she had to do, and perhaps the same group of people who believed in her, will also believe in this speech as well and we Dems can move on defeating McCain instead of ourselves.

Posted by: Madeleine | August 27, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse


Ever the Thwarted Anointed One.

But really folks, 24-28 years of a Bush or a Clinton in the White House?

I thought this country had better roots than royal dynasties?

Posted by: Spectator | August 27, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

If Obama doesn't win it this year because of Hillary spoilers then Hillary can kiss her chances goodbye in 2012!

Posted by: Ralph | August 27, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Ya know, it's truly amazing. More than 40 comments on an article that suggests that what a person said in a speech is really not what they said, or what they meant in their heart of hearts.

I think this has taken the issue of spinning the news to the absolute limits.


Posted by: PAJ | August 27, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

to therealpatriot:
what I find odd is why someone who thinks of himself as a real patriot worries about petty nonsense like the media not swiftboating obama. like it or not, obama represents any chance to get out of the downward spiral we are in right now. I may not agree with everything that he says or stands for, nor am I naive enough to think that anyone who has gotten this far in politics is an angel or a 'messiah', but I like to think I am realistic. Between a failing economy, a no-win money-draining war, plummeting educational standards, plummeting dollar, rising unemployment, foreclosures, medical/insurance (or lack of) issues, our current standing in the world etc, it doesn't seem like an awfully patriotic thing to worry about why the media is not burying obama with the same nonsense they buried kerry. i don't want 4 or 8 more years of this. I have kids to worry about.

Posted by: slyFox | August 27, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama, before starting his campaign, laid out his platform in great detail in his second book, "The Audacity of Hope." No one who hasn't read this book is entitled to claim that they don't know what Obama stands for. He has organized a 50-state campaign which runs like a well-oiled machine. He has chosen a very strong v-p running mate. He's ready to be President.

Posted by: oldhonky | August 27, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

hillary is a horrible human being and her husband is a dirt bag, i think they should find another country to destroy and leave this on alone

Posted by: asteve | August 27, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Hillary did it for the party. She knows that Bararck is not the right candidate.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

i think Obama is the same old we've had to deal with for much too long. so the man can hit a jump shot, and he speaks very intelligently (i hope he can speak intelligently- or else that money for an ivy-league education is worthless). he's cousins with dick cheney and laura bush, if you people actually think that he's any different than any other politician then you all need to seek psychoanalysis. don't blame the media, it's because this country is full of half-wits who don't know when somebody is on tv lying to them. "turn off the tv and read a book"

Posted by: steve | August 27, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

These comments are so pathetic. The Post should just take them all down. This country needs education reform badly! Anyone with any intelligent analysis must be somewhere doing something constructive. I'm never coming back to this nonsense.

Posted by: DCComm | August 27, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Michelle back-slapped the pundits when she told Judy Woodruff (PBS) that they were "up here" and she fluttered her fingers in some frivolous place abover her head, and that the "real conversations" are taking place "on the ground". Well said.

Posted by: california | August 27, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse


Yota: ... Obama will accept the nomination with the facade of a Greek amphitheater as a backdrop, which has several symbolic messages....

Kurt: For centuries the architecture of Greece and the Roman Republic has represented the highest ideals of civilization -- i.e. democracy. In fact the early Americans chose it for their Capital and the White House, nee the Executive Mansion. After abandoning ancient architecture for decades, it's nice to see someone besides Andre Rieu using it for it's intended purpose -- to inspire and delight.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Enough with the analysis - "Really, was her heart in it, do you think?" - really, what does it matter - what does everybody want from her anyway?
Daley, Wright, Ayers, Resko and Obama

Posted by: MD | August 27, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

OK - I understand drama is conflict and our media LIVES for drama. But, come on, media folks - this is important stuff... this is our presidential election. Please quit manufacturing stories about hurt feelings between individuals and move on to the huge issues and choices facing our country.

BTW - I have heard or read in almost every media outlet with coverage of Sen Clinton's speech that she/they "tried out several colors of pantsuit to see which would look best" as if that is something no one else EVER does. I swear Diane Sawyer and Charlie Gibson went back and forth about it for several minutes. As if there are no stylists employed by ABC News. Yeah, networks put stars on all the time wihtout checking the look. It's like they're always picking at scabs looking for blood. CUT IT OUT!

Posted by: WhoaIsMe | August 27, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Well if you picked a total clueless co-depending loser with 1% minimum public acceptance like Biden for your VP, some psychoananlysis are definitely warranted.
This is a choice that a smooth talking psychopath like Ted Bundy would make.

Posted by: pete | August 27, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

When I learned that Hon. Hillary Rhodeame Clinton would be speaking at 10:30pET, I said, "man, how am I going to stay up till 10:30pm?" In short, I briefly tuned into Law & Order and flicked back and forth. The DNC Convention watched me as I snored during Hillary Clinton's speech, but I was immediately awakened by her sarcastic tone; I had to look at her face on the screen. I didn't want to believe what I thought would happen in the first place. She's still very upset and I am so sorry that she felt compelled to express her bad sportsmanship at the DNC Convention. Personally, I am not ready for a President name Hillary Clinton. Her speech would have been appropriate at the RNC Convention, for all of their speakers have been quite dull with the exception of Zell during 2004. Zell (sp) had more of Klansmen tone and surprisingly, he was a Democrat. Is it really a surprise though? Come on, who are we fooling? This U.S. Presidential race for the White House will prove whether or not an equilibrium on race relations is as false as Blacks have always believed, as opposed to Whites whom believe race relations have been just perfect! Tune in!

Posted by: Simone | August 27, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Anyone pursuing the presidency is essentially arrogant and ambitious by definition, and none of the current or former candidates is an exception. I do think Hillary made a Faustian bargain with Bill to tolerate his behavior in exchange for realizing her own political ambitions, which she could almost taste until Obama's campaign caught fire. As for whether or not her newly minted loyalty for Obama is sincere, I just have one question: Anyone seen her Cubs hat lately?

Posted by: Scott | August 27, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

If you picked a total clueless, minimal 1%public acceptance, co-depending loser like Biden for VP, some psychoanalysis are definitely warranted.
If Ted Bundy picks a mate he would do exactly like him.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

i would have been happy for hillary clinton to say, "to all my supporters, i say: 'get over it'. i lost. i had it in my grasp, but me and my team messed up. don't hold barack obama accountable for my mistakes. look at the primary as a true justification for why he is the better nominee."

that would have completely, unequivocably, let everyone know that her heart was in it. that there's no delusion, no denial, no narcicissm. just the honesty and insight that everyone claims is there deep inside.

i would have sent obama a big check to help pay off her debts had she been candid and acknowledged that barack was far better prepared than she for the campaign.

Posted by: KenFromCalifornia | August 27, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

"The whole democratic convention looks like a kabuki play and you sit there and blame Hillary for it? She has done everything she can to sell Obama since conceding. But there is only so much you can do for a loser like Obama.

I am so sick of you media types bashing Hillary because your messiah turned out to be a fraud and you don't have the courage to admit you were complicite in forcing that fraud upon us.

Now that it is obvious that democrats picked the wrong canidate you decide to take it out on Hillary for being right. God how typical."

It is comments like this that make me glad I'm independent leaning toward Obama and not a party-line Democrat. Unbelievable.

Posted by: Capt. Facepalm | August 27, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Senator Hillary Clinton did a great job. It is up to Obama to close the deal. He needs to show up more substance. Enough of hope and change. Still waiting...

Posted by: mmarii | August 27, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Wow! The whole castrated male population of Hillary haters just can't let go of it. If she single handedly brought peace to the Middle East we would still hear, yes that's nice, but......
Get over it all ready.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: BONNIE | August 27, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I really miss Tim Russert.

Posted by: Princey | August 27, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I found her speech to be very moving. She looked like she meant it. I truly believe that this speech came from her heart and soul.

Posted by: Gravy | August 27, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

To all the Hilary supporters who just can't get over her losing, please remember if you vote for McCain or don't vote, you may not have a chance to vote in 2012 for your hero. The way Bush and McCain are prodding Russia towards a nuclear confrontation in Poland, we may not make it through 2008.

As a Canadian I just request you pick a candidate that will keep his nose out of the rest of the world's business and not financially ruin the entire planet as America's sink ships.

Posted by: DH | August 27, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of kooks. This place looks McCain look might good to me.

Posted by: MarkB | August 27, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

If these posts are representative of the voting population of the U.S., I fear for the future of our country. Obama is a man of intelligence, dignity, integrity and vision who will make an excellent president, like Bill Clinton only better. Hillary Clinton would have been good, too, but with her loss hopefully she will put aside her disappointment for the good of the country. I hope that the good of the country is also the basis for people's votes. Based on these posts, I think people are thinking about anything but that, turning on both Obama and Clinton for petty reasons that have little to do with how well they will serve the country. After the last eight years of disaster, it's sad that people are not able to rise out of the gutter and focus on the real issues rather than on this claptrap.

Posted by: Frank S | August 27, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

The comment blog spots (like this one)
that litter the internet have become the quintessential haven for the lunatic fringe of this country. There is nothing of substance here!

Posted by: TruePatriot | August 27, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I think we should just hang her. She can't do anything right, can she?! Now if she had just gotten up there and apologized for ever running it might have been enough. And if she tearfully confessed that all along she was lying, that she knew in her heart that she was not nearly as qualified as Obama and she now plans to just retire from politics completely, would you be satisfied? But instead you want to read her mind. And, oh my gosh, you confess you really don't know what she was thinking. I just want to know what you were thinking when you wrote that silly piece. Go figure!

Posted by: tired of you and all the rest | August 27, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Get over it. Senator Clinton has asked all of her supporters to back Obama, which is what I will be doing come November.

Stop trying to divide us. We are United!

Posted by: oscar | August 27, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

When it all settles out there is only one party other than the Republican one, so we must vote to save the nation from the destructive Republicans by voting for their opponent. And just what is so terrible about Obama, anyway? He is plenty good enough if it is just because he is not a Republican.

Posted by: Who cares about my name? | August 27, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh shut the hell up, Applebaum. Find something more substantial to write about.

Posted by: Not impressed | August 27, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

What I want to know is how Applebaum got a job writing this stupid insignificant drivel. What were her bosses thinking when they hired her? Oh well.

Posted by: This is news? | August 27, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I was impressed with some of her words but she did come off at times unbeleivable. Obama is good at speaking from his heart I think Hillary should take a look at his clips. Sometimes if we can't convience ourselves then its hard to make anyone else beleive what your saying. If it sounds scripted and fake then your going to come off that way. I wonder who wrote this speech for her?

The reason I didn't support Hillary was because she played some many roles in the primaries, she cried, she lied, she dranked stooped to the lowest of lows just like McSame.

But I wonder is this came from her heart too? the jury is still out.

Obama for President

Posted by: Jacie - San Leandro, Ca | August 27, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Hilary Rosen today that Hillary Clinton showed us grace and power last night. It was a beautiful speech.
It is others who try - why, why, why - to make her into something other than a deeply passionate, intelligent, committed, accomplished woman. She has survived trail by fire after trial by fire and emerged stronger and tronger. Does anyone really imagine that she should have no feelings about being dismissed in the VP vetting process? The candidate with 18 million votes is ignored, and the guy with 9000 votes gets it. She is being an incredibly good soldier for the Party, and what she should get is praise and gratitude, not all the other stuff.

Posted by: Randi Stroh | August 27, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I am confused why we would listen so intently to someone that was wrapped up in what I believe are criminal activities related to their finances and with a trail of dead bodies across the whole state of Arkansas. The Clinton election to power was a true mistake by the people of USA. Anybody that she endorses would be suspect of being of the same ilk.

Posted by: Larry | August 27, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

When has the democratic party only been about the Presidental nominee? Aren't there legislators, congressmen, governers, city councilmen, and others up for election? When did Obama's voice be the sole voice? I have never remembered a convention managed and controlled so fully by one candidate in my life. Where is his nerve telling a two time democratic president and the only democratic president in 30 years what to say? Where is his nerve? He thinks he has already been elected. His arrogance is turning away hilary supporters. He must win first. Given the climate in the US so overwelmingly in favor of the democrats, how can it be explained that Obama is tied with McCain? Arrogance. The freshman senator should recognize experience and achievements with respect. He has dissed the Clintons, why should they pander to him?

Posted by: Mark | August 27, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Lets compare the Carter, Regan, Bush Sr., Clinton, and Bush Jr administrations. The only administration with sustained economic growth was Clinton. Who cares he received a blow job and denied it. Is that worse than selling arms illegally to out-lawed criminal groups committing massive homicides, or starting a war on false pretenses resulting in the deaths of thousands, loss of our reputation, and distruction of the US economy? Infidelity is not a criminal act, and in my opinion, is none of anyones business. However, Regan and Bush Jr committed extreme autrocity to the US constitution and our national well-being. Tell me a president in the last 40 years better than Clinton? No-one, get it Larry.

Posted by: Demmi Man | August 27, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I fully believe that, disappointed as she was and is (she came so close this time!), hILLARY meant every single word she said last night. I really don't get why folks think she "didn't mean it" and I fully believe that most of the divisive and negative comments here are from closet Repubs trying to divide Dems. We won't fall for it this time! We will win in November.

Posted by: took | August 27, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

It's Nancy Pelosi that is not only jealous but also a troublemaker and the instigator. Everyone in her district should vote for Cindy Sheehan. The Republicans must have a large dosier of dirt on her - or she's a Republican at heart.

As much as I like Biden, Obama made a fatal mistake. It's Ron Paul for me.

Posted by: CICI | August 27, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Great idea - write in Hillary.

Obama is far too pompous and self-consumed to have any time or concern about the American people. I'll never forget his answer to the question, "what's the first thing you'd do as President." He not only had the audacity but also the stupidity to say, "I'll sit in the oval office with my feet up on the desk and say isn't this cool." The sad thing is, he was probably telling the truth. As I said, self-consumed.

Michelle Obama has tried to go through a metamorphis and suddenly decide she loves this country, but the facade is phony and reeks of it.

Posted by: CICI | August 27, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: john | August 27, 2008 1:18 PM
John, you are a misogynist and a racist too for calling others racist...

Posted by: What? Racists are now calling others racists? | August 27, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

After the speeches from Clintons, I came very close to voting for Obama. Then saw all the Hillary bashing on this site. Now my decision is crystal clear:

No way! No How! No Obama!!

Go McCain!!!

Posted by: Hate Obama and his supporters | August 27, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Did I miss something,Hillary2012? Somewhere in your conversation, you have convinced yourself that Hillary CONCEDED,She never did. Remember, Hillary suspended her campaign and never gave Obama the respect that he deserved when he became the presumptive candidate for the nomination for President by the DNC. I personally feel that she outdid herself with her speech and though she spent the first part of her speech revisiting her accomplishments during her campaign, in truth, she needed to do that in order to clear the air with her devoutees and give them a reason to fall in line with the Party. Hillary might not be the next President of the United States of America, but you can rest assured that her future as a major playmaker in the political realm of this country is far from over. I feel that she might find something other than the Presidency that might be a more effective vehicle for her to do her real work, this creating a place for her to do her best work yet. The Presidency is often a place where real dreams are stifled due to politics and more politics. Gods Speed to all of the players of this game. It will be interesting to see who is drafted to be on the first string of what will need to be the most dynamic, ethical, and politically progressive team of individuals ever assembled in America in order to salvage the best parts of America and reinvent new ones. Their work will be great, but the greatest work will be required of the citizens of this country to encourage us all to "re-tool" our thinking and be willing to turn many unfamiliar corners that are strange and unknown to us. We must be brave and fearless when we hit those junctures and know that just like those few individuals who refused to believe that the world was flat, or that germs exists, or that man could ever fly except when he or she falls off of a cliff, or the infinite number of situations and things that we "modern" men and women take for granted in our everyday lives. Let's do this!. Let's not give quarter to a person who is constantly having flashbacks about being in prison camp, especially when he is confronted with pertinent questions regarding the not so pleasant present. WE CAN DO THIS! WE MUST DO THIS! OUR TIME INSIDE OF THE COCOON IS OVER, IF WE DON'T EMERGE WE WILL DIE!

Posted by: Ruby4Rose | August 28, 2008 4:14 AM | Report abuse

Anne Applebaum will be unable to say anything nice about the Democrats from now until election day. Why, you ask? Well, Anne Applebaum, is a neocon married to some Polish muckety-muck who wants to see John McCain elected. John McCain, you see, has been bought and paid for by the neocons. He is the new host that the parasite neocons have glommed onto. We must remember these facts when we analyze why Applebaum says what she says.

Posted by: Mary | August 28, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

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