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James Carville, Are You Happy Yet?

James Carville, the Democratic uber consultant and Clinton loyalist, was not happy on the first night of the Democratic Convention.

"The way they planned it tonight was supposed to be sort of the personal -- Michelle Obama will talk about Barack Obama personally, Ted Kennedy was a very personal, emotional speech," Carville said in his role as a CNN commentator "But I guarantee on the first night of the Republican Convention, you're going to hear talk about Barack Obama, commander-in-chief, tax cuts, et cetera, et cetera."

"You haven't heard about Iraq or John McCain or George W. Bush -- I haven't heard any of this. We are a country that is in a borderline recession, we are an 80 percent wrong-track country. Health care, energy -- I haven't heard anything about gas prices," Carville added. "Maybe we are going to look better Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. But right now, we're playing hide the message."

Now personally, I thought letting the country know more about the Obama family was a good idea for night one and that Michelle Obama’s speech was a good idea, well executed. And I’m a sucker for family scenes. (Also, isn’t it useful for the country to know that Michelle Obama loved “The Brady Bunch?”)

In any event, I always figured that Obama’s lieutenants understood they had to take on Bush and McCain. And they went right at it tonight.

Here’s Rep. Rahm Emanuel: “If John McCain has his way, we’ll stick with the policies that will leave more Americans uninsured and far too many Americans paying more for health care and getting less. You know, President Bush inherited the strongest economy in history and a huge budget surplus. He inherited an economy that created 23 million new jobs. I’m a little surprised. You would think the one thing President Bush was good at was inheriting things. Instead he turned a $236 billion surplus into a record deficit and added nearly $4 trillion in new debt. That’s the one thing we can say about George Bush: Mr. President, we will be forever in your debt.”

Here’s House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer: “Eight years later, what do they have to show for it? The surpluses squandered, our national reputation tattered, jobs lost. We all know this. Even John McCain concedes that ‘we are worse off than we were four years ago.’ But you can’t expect change from a Senator who voted in lockstep with President Bush 95 percent of the last year. No, we can’t afford more of the same. We need new leadership.”

And here’s Gov. Janet Napolitano of Arizona: “Now, just as I am proud of Arizona, I like to be positive about my fellow Arizonans. So I wanted to say something positive about Senator McCain. When I heard him say the economy is not an issue he understands as well as he should, my problem was solved. Because I can say to you tonight, positively, that John McCain is right. He doesn’t understand the economy as well as he should. And he doesn’t understand how the policies he has supported and wants to perpetuate have so terribly misfired.”

And here is Mark Warner, the former Virginia Governor and Senate candidate in his keynote address: "Think about it: After September 11, if there was a call from the President to get us off foreign oil, to stop funding the very terrorists who had just attacked us, every American would have said, "How can I do my part?" This administration failed to believe in what we can achieve as a nation, when all of us work together. John McCain promises more of the same. A plan that would explode the deficit that will be passed on to our kids. No real plan to invest in our infrastructure. And his plan would continue spending $10 billion a month in Iraq. I don't know about you, but that's just not right. That's four more years that we can't just afford."

And Monatana Gov. Brian Schweitzer's speech was by far the most rousing of the convention: a searing, smart and hillarious attack on "four more years of the same old same old. It had to satisfy anybody's demands for a little bit of aggression against the G.O.P. Among the party faithful, it will be one of the few speeches they remember, and it will be one of the most commented on. (I'm sure I'll have more to say about it at some point.)

And that was all before Hillary Clinton's "No way. No how. No McCain" speech, about which you'll be hearing much this evening and on Wednesday.

I can’t see CNN from the hall here, but I wonder if James is happier tonight. Last night, I ran into Gilberto Hinehosa, a Clinton supporter and Democratic chairman in Cameron County, Texas. He paid tribute to Carville by saying that his famous slogan -- “It’s the economy, stupid” – needed updating. “It’s the last eight years, stupid,” Hinehosa said. That seemed to be tonight’s theme, and I suspect we’ll hear more on Wednesday and Thursday.

By E.J. Dionne  | August 26, 2008; 10:22 PM ET
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Carville knows this election is lost. He knows that it will be the worst defeat the Democrats will ever suffer. And that the party may not survive.

Posted by: FDR | August 26, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Carville is peeing in the D's cornflakes as a favor to Hillary, and probably makes his wife, the publisher of the idiot Swift Boaters who are going after Obama this year, happy as well. He's a Judas ;-)

Posted by: Nancy | August 26, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

You might want to check the spelling of Gilbert Hinojosa of Cameron County.

Posted by: Loomis | August 26, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

FDR, you are delusional. I pity you.

Posted by: MediaWatch | August 26, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

I have ZERO respect for a man who calls Mary "Piece of Scholarship" Matalin his wife.

That is all.

Posted by: From Florida | August 26, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

MediaWatch, open your eyes and see the light. I'll pray for you.

Posted by: SmarterThanYOu | August 26, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

If Obama loses, it will be bad news for America and the low information voters who go for McCain.

McCain's shifting positions, bellicose ramblings ("bomb,bomb Iran, etc) and campaign blathering ("drill here, drill there") may be indicative of some progressive post-traumatic stress problem coming to roost at his age from his horrible Vietnam experience. After all, when Reagan confessed confusion over Iran-Contra, he might have been giving less of a political confessional than displaying symptoms of the Alzheimer's that finally killed him. Reagan was President at the time. Why vote for someone who may be showing his symptoms before he is President?

Posted by: Robert | August 27, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for your comments EJ. What's interesting to me is how after an authentic speaker pours out their heart in a public episode of vulnerability, how cynical and vitriolic the responses can be. But considering the fact that even Moses could lead a people out of bondage and through his direct communication cause them to receive manna from Heaven, pessimism persisted....it should not be surprising. (which is not to equate Obama's candidacy with the spiritual importance of Moses).

Mr. Carville is an avuncular curmudgeon walking in the spirit of those looking for the Promised Land, but hopefully, his words won't appear in the next series of GOP attack ads.

Posted by: Prince George's Advocate | August 27, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Yes this election would have been a cake walk, a slam dunk, if it had been "The Democrat vs. George W. Bush". But two things happen that change all that.

One the Republicans knew they would lose with Bush so they inoculate themselves with Mr. UnBush, a known maverick in John McCain.

Two the Democrats decide to go whole hog for change and nominate Obama, an exciting but essentially unknown man with a questionable background and a thinnest of thin resume. They have made the election a referendum on Obama instead.

The Democrats ask for it. And the Republicans could not have asked for a better gift from their opponents in 2008. Now it will be a drawn out knocked out dog fight till November.

Posted by: tom007 | August 27, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Look, in 2004, McCain had a chance to do something great for America, he had a chance to unify America and heal some of the wounds that were tearing us apart.

But instead, he went out and told our nation to vote for one of the worst Presidents in American history. And for what? . . . . . . He sold America down the river for an oppertunity to run for President.

Posted by: Coldcomfort | August 27, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Here's EJ Dionne again pimping for the democrats. Read what a Clinton supporter and delegate said today and see if you don't agree: "I hate Obama so much that I'm going to devote as much time to McCain as I did to Hillary," said Adita Blanco, a Democrat from Edward, Okla., who has never voted for a Republican. "Obama has nothing. He has no experience. The Democratic Party doesn't care about us. You couldn't treat [Clinton] any worse."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/26/AR2008082603921.html

Posted by: Hank | August 27, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

McCain is a criminal. He went on Letterman and told the USA it was IRAQI WMDs that attacked the Congressional offices.
To lead the USA to war based on false propaganda is a federal crime.

He will be pardoned by Bush, along with those party to treason in the White House.


Posted by: Bruce Becker | August 27, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Nancy is right. Carville has no ideas or ideals. He and his wife Matalin share one thing - a thirst for self-promotion. That's what made Carville the ultimate Clintonite, and his wife the perfect employee of a guy like Cheney.

Posted by: troutcor | August 27, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Carville knows a loser when he sees it and Obama has loser written all over him at this point. The smell of fear and defeat is building and the Democratic Party is collectively starting to panic.

Posted by: H. Eriksen | August 27, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

tom007 - people suffering from delusion
always claim to be sane in their prouncements.

Posted by: Allice Ropchan | August 27, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

how can a clintonite such as carville bemoan history and actions not taken?


the 2000 election was fraudulent, and his sitting president and vice handed over the keys to the universe to the bush crime regime.


it is called collusion: the past ate-years have devoured america and millions of lives.


on the other hand i agree:

slap mccain with hard, hard facts, and wake america up with floods of truth and also----------democrats, take your share of the blame for all the blank checks.


bush has had his enablers in the democratic aisle.

pelosi is WROng WROMG wrong and can't lead a decent mob nor a cheer against the vilest of the vile.

Posted by: bloggod | August 27, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

You guys are all wrapped up in a "Broncos vs Raiders" style "my team's better than yours" mentality. Since when do we hang anything on a politician's words? Cargill, like his counterpart, Rove, understands propaganda - that's the game he plays. He knows the vast majority of you out there will believe virtually anything if it's repeated often enough. So when he talks about being off message what he's really referring to is the masses inability to discriminate between words and facts. He understands the efficacy of the propaganda machine. Consequently, it's really important that the words keep getting pounded into your head so you'll believe it. McCain/Rove are doing the same thing. The important question is, are YOU going to be swayed by a politician's words, which you know you can't trust, or their voting record? See, that's the crux of the problem. Most of us know more about the stats of our favorite football team than we do about the person we're picking to run the country. And that's exactly why we ended up where we are right now.

Posted by: Sterling Locke | August 27, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

Carville is professionally unhappy. He had his 15 minutes of fame for the (admittedly great) job he did in 1992, but no one takes his advice anymore. There are more people than Carville that have turned into curmudgeons behind being reduced to one of the 16,325,872,456,287 talking heads on TV nowadays.

Posted by: willythekorn | August 27, 2008 1:53 AM | Report abuse

Bloggod,
Yes, you are mostly right. However, why any of would think that there is a *substantial* difference btwn McCain and Obama is beyond me. Their voting records on funding the Iraq war are virtually identical. Seriously, what do we think we're going to get out 2 parties that are funded by large corporations? What - an anti-corporate agenda? Oh, please. What I find astonishing is how people will repeatedly vote against their own self-interests, see that nothing has really changed, and keep voting the same way. Actually, it's frightening because it's a testament to how effectively the corporate media manages the masses.

Posted by: Sterling Locke | August 27, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

sterling comments! i am not voting for either of the two-party powerhogs, as oregon will overwhelmingly go for obama so i don't have to fret over the lessor of two evils deal.


i will most likely vote for cynthia mckinney, green party. just cause.


you are right: where are the substantial differences between the democrats and republicans? one could slide a billion credit cards (home, life sized ones) thru that gap.


i say impeach dissolve and banish everyone who has been enabling the madness. teddy "madcow" kennedy as well, though he be usefull as a sponge in event of some distillery flooding....

Posted by: bloggod | August 27, 2008 2:24 AM | Report abuse

I agree with you. I don't think democrats need to spend ALL their time (some, yes) attacking bush and cheney. EVERYONE already knows that. Besides bush and cheney aint running again. Mccain is running and his brand overperforms vs gop. we all know people are uncomfortable with barack and michelle and they needed to tug at people's hearts (anyone who has studied marketing and emotional branding would know that). If people don't like you, you can make all the logical arguments and they won't listen. This is not 2004 so people should stop making that comparison. And ofcourse since the republicans have no ideas of their own, they will try to tear down barack. but it's not going to work. Not. this. time.

Posted by: farah | August 27, 2008 2:28 AM | Report abuse

Carville was pushed away by Hillary long ago for supplying girls to the Big Dog. Notice he was not on her payroll in any big way if at all. He is struggling just to make a living any more. He better hang on to Matlin, at least she can always work for Fox Snooze.

Posted by: OneCrankyDem | August 27, 2008 2:31 AM | Report abuse

Yes this election would have been a cake walk, a slam dunk, if it had been "The Democrat vs. George W. Bush". But two things happen that change all that.

One the Republicans knew they would lose with Bush so they inoculate themselves with Mr. UnBush, a known maverick in John McCain.

Two the Democrats decide to go whole hog for change and nominate Obama, an exciting but essentially unknown man with a questionable background and a thinnest of thin resume. They have made the election a referendum on Obama instead.

The Democrats ask for it. And the Republicans could not have asked for a better gift from their opponents in 2008. Now it will be a drawn out knocked out dog fight till November.

Posted by: tom007 | August 27, 2008 12:06 AM

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I agree completely. The self-destructive wing of the Democratic party is its left wing, which brought us Kerry and Obama. I'll probably never see one of their candidates become president. They made a good effort this year by running a stealth lefty in Obama. But the wheels started to come off in the primaries, and now he's running far behind the rest of the party slate. Even if he wins he'll be weak one-term president like Carter.

Posted by: robert17 | August 27, 2008 2:47 AM | Report abuse

When this campaign first started, I thought Hillary looked and sounded Presidential. I still do. But for every one of me who thought so - there were probably 5-6 who didn't. Those are the ones who:
Thinks she is a b---h.
Thinks she is a fool for staying with Bill.
Thinks she is the devil incarnate.
Thinks that she and Bill would be co-Presidents of the White House.
Thinks she is a liar, cheat and thief.

I am not sure Hillary could have ever gotten into the WH; because she has too much baggage behind her. She has Bill Clinton who is both her biggest asset and her biggest curse. It is a shame too, because I truly believe that she could have been just as great a President as he was.

I am not sure how Carville squares his life away with his wife. I mean, it is possible to be married to someone with whom you disagree politically - but when both people are pundits for a living - how do you square that when you walk in the door? I mean if you disagree with each other politically, then it becomes an issue every 4 years but when you do that for a living it is every single day....

Posted by: GJKBEAR | August 27, 2008 3:00 AM | Report abuse

Heck no, Judas! It's not about a TRUE First Lady; it about a true roll call, you nitwit.

Posted by: James C Maybe | August 27, 2008 3:26 AM | Report abuse

Heck no, Judas! It's not about a TRUE First Lady; it about a true roll call, you nitwit.

Posted by: James C Maybe | August 27, 2008 3:26 AM | Report abuse

Heck no, Judas! It's not about a TRUE First Lady; it about a true roll call, you nitwit.

Posted by: James C Maybe | August 27, 2008 3:26 AM | Report abuse

Carville was stating the obvious. Obama's "clever" campaign has the appearance of unraveling at the seams. The only thing that really "moved" the floor the first night was Michelle's forced compliment of Hillary Clinton.

If Obama had been man enough to pick Clinton as his running mate instead of feeling threatened by her, he would have won this thing. Instead he picked Biden, who has lost more elections than Bill Clinton has had affairs.

"Boy genius" Obama is an idiot.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | August 27, 2008 3:56 AM | Report abuse

How about this handy catch all this time around:

It's the Republicans, stupid.

Posted by: ellenmhd | August 27, 2008 4:13 AM | Report abuse

We know the following to be an undisputed fact:

"You would think the one thing President Bush was good at was inheriting things. Instead he turned a $236 billion surplus into a record deficit and added nearly $4 trillion in new debt. That’s the one thing we can say about George Bush: Mr. President, we will be forever in your debt.”

We also know that John McCain intends to continue Bush's economic philosophy. We also know that McCain wants to continue the war in Iraq, expand the war in Afghanistan, have at least a "miniwar" with Iran, and use military muscle to push Russia out of Georgia.

Have you thought about how you're going to pay for all this? Have you thought about how much McCain would need to increase the size of our military and how he might go about doing that?

Posted by: Joel | August 27, 2008 6:18 AM | Report abuse

Tell D.J. Diane that its Gilbert Hinojosa.

Posted by: David | August 27, 2008 6:19 AM | Report abuse

Carville as an openly biased supporter ofHRC and a political consultant is allowed to give his free and even biased opinions. You Mr Dionne, as a paid journalist of WaPo are held to a higher standard, but you have been nothing but a paid prostitute just mouthing off Obama campaign slogans for 2 years now. Shame on you.

Posted by: intcamd1 | August 27, 2008 6:21 AM | Report abuse

FDR, you ought to know better. The polls do not reflect the newly attracted voters who are going to give the Democratic party a landslide victory.

American will never completely recover from the damage that little Bush and his wrecking crew did to a great nation. The Democrats will have the mandate to reverse course as much as humanly or politically possible, but the scars will remain. The Bush legacy is being previewed in Denver. The Neocons need take notice and feel the shame.

Posted by: Sooner1 | August 27, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Carville understands that attacking Republicans ought to be the way to go.
Obama, the divider, is too worried about his own "house" to worry about the Republican house.
2008 has been a wasted opportunity. I'll support McCain and wait for Hillary to get back in the picture.
Strong arming Democratic Super Delegates and painting the Clintons as "anti-Black" may turn out to be a mistake.

Posted by: Richard Morse | August 27, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

James Carville IS getting to be as big a whiner and sarcastic commentator as his crabby wife Mary Matalin! I am sick of seeing both of their grouchy faces, AND Jack Caffery's!

Jack, I still push the mute button when you come on since you STILL snarl as you talk about Hillary Clinton but coo your way through Michelle Obama's name! YOU have become so overbearing, along with Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann!

Posted by: Amanda | August 27, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Carville is right, everything about Obama's campaign right now seems 'defensive.' Our country - our CULTURE - is in the worst shape its been the last several decades and the democrats honestly seemed poised to lose yet again. Obama better change his tune from "I'm OK!" to "THEY SUCK", like yesterday man, or we're in trouble again.

Posted by: Cracker | August 27, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

It's time for Carville to leave the stage, find his wing nut wife, give her a good spanking and go home to the kids. His time was in the past...NEW people and ideas are needed and are about to take over. Carville will surely continue collecting his fees and keeping his wife from falling off the edge of the Earth.

Posted by: Richard Walega | August 27, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Hinehosa?

Monatana?

Shame!

Posted by: Mary Lenz | August 27, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

I do not think that we need to be harsh on Mr Carville. There are many of us who get locked in a time (and sometimes a moment) where our angle on situations were up to date and relevent. We therefore continue to say things that may have been very appropriate a few years previously. Some of the Gems of a previous era, whom in my estimation continue to hold that status, recently came out blowing off about Senator Obama. Some referred to the futility of his aspirations and one, notably desired to perform procreation altering surgery. They all just wanted to show all of us how important they still were. If they are still able to talk, I certainly do not know because I 'aint heard from them recently. They are still extremely important to me, mostly because of their commitment and bravery to causes vital to decent existence in this society. I also regard them as models of what can happen when one remains strongly devoted to one's self and ideas...and clearly communicates it. On the other hand, they are many who have made similar contributions and now are sitting and watching while realizing that age old saying which connects keeping one's mouth shut with being counted as a wise man/woman. Mr Carville, as he regards his playing field from a perch lower than that of a previous time, must make some big plays to remain an all star. I, however, prefer the ground game of team Obama.

Posted by: Draesop | August 27, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

All you democrats voting for John McCain this year, please take note, you will struggle to ever get back in the white house again. Most of you have degraded and belittled the first african american candidate, and his wife and kids, because of their skin color. If you need african americans to get back in the white house, it will never happen. After watching this debacle, I could care less about who the next white president of this racist country will be. I have had enough.

Posted by: sassywmn | August 27, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

FDR: Did you take your meds this morning? Your delusions are showing.....

Posted by: robsmarq | August 27, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Carville has become the bald crypt keeper in my mind. He and Mary should just butt out of the scene, he was interesting at one time, but has become a shill for the Republicans because he didn't get his way.

Posted by: hmmmmmer | August 27, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

HRC supporters should definitely support MCCain because essentially you're all the same...This continued debate re Senator Obama is simply racist. He won the election fair and square. HRC and BC tried to destroy Senator Obama. Her words campaign ads denigrated him and are now being used in McCain attack ads. And apparently only white women and working class white voters are the only people who count...Rest assured if Senator Obama loses this election HRC will not win in 2012 because what some you don't realize is that you need people of color to win as well. And trust and believe, she/her supporters will be talking our hand!

Posted by: sdot | August 27, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

E.J. Dionne, Eugene Robinson, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, et al, all gobbling chickens, babbling, running, squawking, while outside the pen, quiet sanity presides, looking in ruefully on the contained chaos.

The Mainstream Media is much better entertainment than anything remotely available on prime time TV nowadays.

Posted by: bryancoleman | August 27, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Carville resembles Gollum's twin brother from Lord of the Rings...There is plenty of time for nastiness. Give Biden a triple espresso and send him to St. Paul next week!

Posted by: braultrl | August 27, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

What about Kucinich? He was six minutes of pure energy and fire. but Dionne ignores him, just as the rest of the media do. Well, at least Dionne is countering the narrative that the convention hasn't attacked McCain. Perhaps if the talking heads like Chris Matthews would shut up for a few minutes they might actually hear what's going on. And they need to stop imposing their narrative on conventioneers, as Andrea Mitchell tried to do with a tearful; 79-year-old, pestering her to say something negative about Hillary's loss in the primary. The woman refused, asserting she was a proud Democrat and would vote for Obama.

Posted by: Viking | August 27, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

James Carville is mykind of man. He is dedicated to and believes in the Clintons. So do I. I will never bash them like many in the Media does. I wonder why they? Is it envy? Mr. Carville, it is a good thing to remain loyal.

Posted by: Joyce | August 27, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Carville and his evil wife Matalin are disgusting.

Posted by: norman ravitch | August 27, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

How is it that all Liberals look like tweebs? Just look at Ej's picture. When your done there look at James Carville, Alan Combs. What an ugly bunch. Good thing we got the babes on Fox News to look at.

Posted by: cobra | August 27, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Good ol' Jimbo Billy Bob "I ain't no hayseed I just play one on TV" Carville is having a harder time coming to grips with the passing of the Clinton era than Clinton himself.

Posted by: trippin | August 27, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

"All you democrats voting for John McCain this year, please take note..."

Umm...there ARE no Democrats voting for John McCain.

By definition.

I don't care what they call themselves, they aren't any more a Democrat than Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Mary Landrieu, Chuckie Cheese Schumer, Dianne Feinstein, Tom Carper, Barbara Mikulski, Lieberman, either Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, Kenny Boy Salazar, Dan-O Akaka, Joe "Bankruptcy Bill" Biden, and the rest of the cadre of money-grubbing corporate puppets and Bush crime family enablers now pervading the party, far too numerous to mention here.

This party needs to take some ipecac and rid itself of the poison.

Posted by: trippin | August 27, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Hillary could have been. It wasn't in the cards. To let McCain walk will be a crime. The question is: Will America get what its voters deserve?

Posted by: DenisR | August 27, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

sassywmn,

what a silly and racist comment you've made. WHen will you get a grip that race is not the issue. It's inexperience... it's lack of character... it's lack of substance... it's lack of decision making... it's lack of strength. Obama can't make a decision w/out changing it the next day.

You on the other hand, wants to vote Obama b/c of race.

Posted by: Kim | August 27, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I think last night was one of missed opportunities. HRC spent more time talking about why she ran and what she believes in than in supporting and endorsing Barack Obama. Once again, the strategists (Democratic this week) are tossing out catch-phrases like 'Green-Collar Jobs' and 'Green Economy'...you can put those right next to the 'Lockbox' that Social Security was going to sit in 4 years ago. HRC should have spent the time explaining why she now would support BO, why he would be a good leader, why he would be a good president. Instead, she tossed out love-kisses about womens' voting rights and the like.

James Carville on CNN last night is spouting platitudes like "Tonight it's a good night to be a Democrat!" Another missed opportunity. Instead of playing the role of partisan shill, he should be saying things like "Tonight it's a good night to be an American!" Our elections have turned into a Democrat vs. Republican thing. Conventions shouldn't be about deepening the divide between political parties, they should be laying down the case for why their candidate is the better choice to lead the country.

So, mix all of that with the promises of millions of 100 MPG plug-in hybrids. Sounds great. Gets us off of gas. Wonderful. What will be the cost impact of your home energy bill? Will we be moving the power companies off of gas and coal so they can provide the additional energy needed to charge all of these cars? What's the plan for this? Once the X-Prize for cars has run its course, we'll see just how efficient it is to build them. Yes, we should look at alternatives now, but give me solid numbers to analyze and let me make an informed decision. Otherwise, it's Ron Regan, Jr. standing up promising designer drugs in four years, four years ago. How many of our liberal, government subsidised medical friends in Canada and France have those drugs now?

Let's face it...our current two-party system, although better than in many countries, is so broken it may never be repaired. It might be time to go independent...

Posted by: herr_howard | August 27, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Carville still. If someone could clue me in to the overall theme of the Democratic convention, I would appreciate it.

Posted by: Ed | August 27, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

You are a sucker, period, Dionne. If you weren't, you wouldn't be duped by a duplicitous miscreant.

Posted by: Larrywp | August 27, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Tell me again, about how you're going to vote for McCain so that Obama will lose, and then you get Hillary back in 2012.

Tell me again that you believe the democratic voters of today will forget this treachery and just fall in line to vote for her in 2012?

You're taking your revenge in this election, what makes you think we won't take our revenge in the next?

McCain will kick off during his first term. So we'd better hope he doesn't pick another Cheney for vice president, because if we have your way about things we're going to be stuck with that guy for the next 8 years.

Posted by: why | August 27, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Last night was great and Carville needs to SHUT UP (as well as other bellicose Pundits) and let this years candidates/staff have the convention they want. I believe they are building up to a magnificient finish. If you want to FIGHT, GO NEGATIVE, etc. then JOIN with those that do! Snarky bastards all! Grow up and let 'the torch be passed'...

Posted by: Megan | August 27, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Funny, so many people are calling those supporting JSM a racist. Get over it. HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE. HE CAN HOPE AND CHANGE ALL HE WANTS, BUT WHAT'S HE HOPING TO CHANGE AND WHY DOES HE THINK THAT EVERYONE IS AS UNHAPPY AS HIS WIFE WHO by the way was receiving over 300,000 a year in her job to divert people with no insurance away from the hospital so cut down on the losses. Good grief people, are you stupid. Clean up your act and get the answer to your association questions and do some work to gain experience. Maybe then people will listen to your hope and change.

Posted by: Rose Colored Glasses | August 27, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Magoo’s campaign: A noun, a verb and ‘POW’. That’s it.

Posted by: Vote Magoo he's an adulteror too! | August 27, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Carville's usefulness as a political consultant and media commentator is spent. I switch channels whenever I see his face or Bush's. Nothing enlightening to be gained by Carville and those like him who dominate the MSM elitist punditry. Curmudgeons all.

Posted by: Bob | August 27, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

You cannot blame magoo for hanging out with Gary Hart and chasing young women.

After all, he was a POW so that entitles him to be a pro-abortion adulteror sleazebag.

Posted by: Vote Magoo he's an adulteror too! | August 27, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I actually liked the former McCain. You know the former maverick McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

What I found all so interesting about all this is that Obama choose Biden who clearly voted for the war IN Iraq.If I recall correctly, he blasted Hillary time after time for such. Execuse me, so where is the difference here? Being a long time Democratic voter, Im disappointed knowing that neither Obama or Hillary could put whatever tensions and differences aside to ensure our party has an absolute winning ticket by offering us an Obama/Clinton combination. Now the Democratic party will have to go head to head with McCain and RISK the possibility of losing to the Republican party. SHAME ON THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FOR NOT ENSURING A WINNING TICKET THIS FALL! I think the Obama camp failed to realize that Obama barely won over Hillary, which clearly says that there are far too many voters out there still behind her and are still angry that she was not the nominee. They should have made everyone happy. They should have taken everyone into account. VERY VERY SAD DAY FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT WE COULDNT PUT THOSE DIFFERENCES ASIDE.

Posted by: Disappointed | August 27, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Pretty amusing that Carville is complaining about "hiding the message"--for years he and his professional political cronies helped fashion the doctrine of "Clintonism", which was exactly about "hiding the message" in the mistaken belief that the American public was a "conservative" public and therefore a liberal President had to hide his beliefs in public dialogue. Listening to Clinton speeches was like listening to an essay with all the key words removed--you were never quite sure what was being talked about, however passionately the remaining words were delivered.

And while we're on the subject of Carville and Emanuel, these guys owe Howard Dean a big-time apology. After the magnificent 2006 congressional victories they had the nerve to go on the air and claim that Dean's "50-state" strategy of organizing somehow lost the Democrats a couple of marginal races. It turns out that the 50-state strategy has revitalized the Democratic party in all the states and is likely to deliver a number of red states to Obama in November that will be his margin of victory. Hillary is looking like the only Clintonite who's actually getting it about how the world has changed since 2000...

Posted by: Rich | August 27, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

The message Hillary sent out to her supporters is:
No way, No how, Nobama!

The fact is that Hillary Clinton and all her democratic supporters are well aware of Nobama shortfallings and inadequacies and we understand that the serious problems our country is facing requires a president that has the experience and knowledge to fix them efficiently.

Clinton supporters love our country and know we can not afford an affirmative action president and that is why we can not vote for Nobama and will have to make a difficult choice in the November elections between staying home and not vote or be responsible and vote for John McCain, a patriot that loves and cares for America in his conservative way.

There is only one person to blame for the division of the democratic party: Barack Nobama!

He missed the opportunity of uniting the democratic party and creating a strong ticket by accepting the fact that 18 million democrats support Hillary Clinton and she was the best option for VP.

Shame on you Nobama!

Posted by: Manolete | August 27, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Carville is a fool. I never understood why the Clintons were ever associated with that man.

To those of you bashing Hillary. She is doing everything she can to support Obama. She campaigns for him every day. Giving speeches like the great one she gave last night at the convention. Unfortunately for him it just reminds everyone what a mistake they made in picking Obama in the first place.

Obama is just a loser. It doesn't matter what platter you serve him up on, he still stinks. I can't believe the dems nominated another unelectable elitist like Kerry. Hillary would have won the presidency easily.

Posted by: Hillary2012 | August 27, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Comment boards like this are getting to be pretty useless, thanks to the number of obvious GOP operatives trying to sow dissent in the other party. Those of us who love the Constitution and our country will be able to see through this, and realize that ANY of the major democratic contenders would be a better choice than than McCain, who crawls on his belly to Rove and the others who personally savaged him, his wife, and his child in 2000, and who now promises to keep up the same disastrous policies that got us here. Can they name a single aspect of our lives that has gotten better since 2000?

While they cackle and crack themselves up at their keyboards, the country they are supposedly standing up for is being destroyed around them, but they're too dense to notice.

Posted by: howdeb | August 27, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Its funny how all of these so called experts and pundit have been so wrong. Both right and left wing talking heads trying to fill and vamp and they are all TERRIBLE at it. Carville had his 15 minutes, but like his wife and the Roves of the world, he is a hack, and will do what every anyone says and whatever it takes for money. The principles and scruples are simply slogans for them. That is the change we all want... to get back to politicians serving the public interests instead of politicians in it for their own personal wealth and gains at our great costs. Our country cannot afford another 8 years of failed policies and Political Self Interest and special interests running our country. We need a Change from the Washington beltway politics and their failure pundits. Only one candidate has lead that fight to empower we, the people. That candidate is Barrack Obama.

Posted by: Bubba2008 | August 27, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

There is not a breathing republican who might be convinced to vote for Obama by Carville Obama needs every uncommitted vote in November a need for James to take a European holiday until December.

Posted by: dennisp, milwaukee | August 27, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

The Democrat presidential candidate should be 25 points ahead of any Republican. History has the opposition party defeating the incumbents after two terms- exceptions were Truman in 1948 and GHW Bush in 1988. The people are uneasy about Hussein Obama and wary about turning their country over to him. Only left wing ideologues and foreigners are enthusiastic about him- to the point of ridiculous idolotary. That is beyond the comprehension of most rational people who will prefer to vote for a fellow human being.

Posted by: mhr | August 27, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

On Monday, CNN cuts away from Jim Leach's speech, which was a great speech btw... and puts Carville on camera, yammering about how the Dems aren't attacking the GOP. He's saying this AT THE SAME MOMENT THAT JIM LEACH IS ON STAGE ATTACKING THE GOP!!!

CNN is a joke. I guess Jim Leach's speech was actually delving into a little history (too cerebral for your average American, in CNN's view, no doubt). I guess it's all about ratings, so they cut from a speech that, even tho his delivery is Kermit the Frog, was nonetheless a poignant and timely critique of the Republican party, putting it in context to history. So, I flip to PBS and hear the second half of Leach's speech, and I'm thinking, "This is what people need to hear." But they didn't, if they were watching CNN. Instead they got Carville ranting. I guess that's more entertaining, and we wouldn't want people flipping over to Iron Chef, now would we?

Posted by: Tony | August 27, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton supporters should grow up and accept that their candidate finally did lose. Even if you don't like Obama, do like I have done in nearly every election since I've been able to vote: hold your nose and vote for the guy closer to your opinions than the other candidate.

That is how grownups deal with reality.

Posted by: Eugene Voce | August 27, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

It is not up to hillary to do anything, it is up to obama...and he can't seal the deal. the democratic party decided again this election to go with a loser and that is what will happen. when will the democrats learn. also obama was slamming hillary in his speech about vp biden, he said I searched for months and found the most experience,what a slam against hillary. hillary is a true democrat and showed it last night, but for hillary haters it will not be enough. she looked presidential.
sexism, the media and the southside chicago liberals made obama the nominee. now america will suffer. I have voted democrat for over 30 years, I was once a delegate for the democrats. i am now a independant.
the good ole boys and liberals in the democratic party decided white working men and women no longer have a voice in the party, so I will accept that and move on. I will not vote obama.

Posted by: TERESA | August 27, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

McCain does understand economics, but neither does Obama. Lets see how they change the global economy.

Going down hill it not fun which is what is happening to United States. Both Obama and McCain stand for the corporated state. We live with the "At Will" law which takes away the power of the average worker that must compete with foreign labor as unions and manufacturering disappear. And the only contract is unemployment or working for wal-mart at wages that you can not live on.

As we increase the population this decreases the limited resources. This equation produces a decline in living standards as we import just about everything except food and export debt.

Yes we can.
Yes, we will have change. Yes, welcome to hard times.

Posted by: Arthur Gittleman | August 27, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

We Democrats are united for victory this time, despite the media BS and the Republican trolls looking to stir it up. We've had enough of Republican lies, incompetence, wars of choice, dividing us by faith or lack thereof, and serving your true masters in the top 1%. Go ahead and track down the 60 (!) actual attendees at the last PUMA "convention" (out of a nation of 300 million) and tell us how we are hopelessly divided. You and your handmaidens in the media could care less about the sertious problems we face, you just like the political game.

McCain is a damn fool and doesn't have the modesty to know it. Worse, he's made a diabolical pact with the very same people who slandered his family 8 years ago. Don't think that debt will go unpaid at the expense of the rest of us if a McCain Presidency comes to pass. Things can always get worse, and I guarantee you they will under McCain.

Obama is a breath of fresh air in this fevered swamp of right-wing ideologues, egomaniacs and useful tools. He's done more than enought to prove he's the person for the job, the rest is just game playing. He's smart, he listens, he still truly believes in this country in a way that the media and the Republicans have forgotten how to do, and he will be a great President.

Posted by: Bleeds Democratic Blue | August 27, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

1.It's "Montana," not "Monatana"

2. And we usually close the quote marks that we open: "four more years of the same old same old.

3. And, as a watchful previous commenter pointed out, it's Gilbert Hinojosa of Cameron County.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I am struck by the opposition to Obama here being far, far more intense than support for McCain. And being AGAINST Obama doesn't translate into being FOR McCain. We saw this four years ago-- people quickly rallied around Kerry with the attitude of, Anybody But Bush, this Kerry guy will do, and it was clear to me by early summer 2004 that Bush would get re-elected. Because no one really cared about Kerry. they just hated Bush.

Well, this time, for the first time in over four decades, the Democrats are enthusiastic about their candidate, and the Republicans are thinking Anybody but Obama! McCain? Eh, he'll do.

And for this reason alone, Obama will win in November. Because you don't win elections by voting against someone, but voting for someone. And while Obama makes many of the posters here angry enough to write rant after rant, it isn't making them do anything positive about McCain.

Posted by: Yosh | August 27, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

“Here’s House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer: ‘Eight years later, what do they have to show for it? The surpluses squandered, our national reputation tattered, jobs lost. We all know this. Even John McCain concedes that “we are worse off than we were four years ago.” But you can’t expect change from a Senator who voted in lockstep with President Bush 95 percent of the last year. No, we can’t afford more of the same. We need new leadership.’”

And yet this lickspittle toady of a leader aligns lockstep with Speaker Pelosi in having impeachment "not on the table" as "a waste of time" from things of greater urgency and priority, when every second of that past eight years cries out for it, the only way integrity can be asserted and restored for the American system of governance.

Hoyer wants to recognize and deplore just enough for perpetual Democratic partisan advantage, without any risks justice may demand for the health of the country.

Posted by: Hneftafl | August 27, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Republican from Lawton, OK, and can assure you that I will NOT be voting for John McCain. Because we have closed primaries, I could not vote for Obama at that time. But, you can bet not only will I, but many others will vote for him in November. I suspect there are many more all over the country. People who really think the Democratic Party will allow this chance to slip by them are delusional. In fact, I not only see 8 years of the Democratic Party reigning, but 16 years. Because, ofter Obama has completed his term(s), if The Honorable Hillary Clinton does decide to run again, or another viable Democratic Candidate....they will have my vote also. I am absolutely through with the Republican Party and can't wait to change my affiliation

Posted by: MyAudacity | August 27, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats have once again chosen a loser to run for president. With all the Clinton bashing going on I would like to ask everyone, who was the only Democrat to get elected president in the last 28 years? That would be Bill Clinton. So obviously he knows how to do it but the party has other ideas so they screw their country and themselves again by picking an unknown talking suit. He looks more and more like Kerry everyday. monotone blah blah blah. I haven't donated to the party since the Gore debacle. I may no longer call myself a democrat. If only republican who are fed up with the neocons we could have a few more political parties and get rid of the fringe components which bog politics with crap like abortion and anti-smoking hysteria.

Posted by: Dennis NJ | August 27, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

This convention is a debacle. Barry is headed for a wipeout. Should be interesting to watch. And great idea for the Greek Temple tomorrow night. Should play well in PA and Ohio.

Posted by: daman1 | August 27, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

“McCain is like a Grumpy Elephant with no vision and a flip flopping memory! There is a reason this Elephant is always attacking without a postive message. His trainers are Rove & Schmidt at the circus! We know what to expect at the McCain’s convention a Grumpy Elephant entwining his trunk with 2 Rogue elephants in Bush/Cheney with two cheering trainers in Rove & Schmidt who are trying to sell the American People a 3 rd George Bush Term.” RFK

Posted by: Yei Raven | August 27, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

E.J. : delete all after "sucker".

Posted by: Bert Zweig | August 27, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

The one thing James can do is point out the weaknesses of any campaign. He sees everything going awry and doesn't know that he is not supposed to be saying these things out loud. Never one to hold anything back, this has gotten him in trouble before.

He has understood the inherent weaknesses in the party for some long time and he surely knows now that Obama is going to lose in a very big way.

Posted by: buzzsaw1 | August 27, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

When the Republican party retains posession of the White House in November you can all thank Howard Dean and his elitist friends in the DNC for the loss. Not a "common man" in the bunch. Howard never should have been put in charge of the DNC in the first place. A gift to keep him out of the lineup has led to another catastrophy for the party. When will they ever learn???

Posted by: buzzsaw1 | August 27, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I see Carville's point, though. But it's a bit like "Whack A Mole" with the Bush years...

It's nearly impossible to hit on all of the scandals, failures, betrayals, lies, and dirty tricks.

It's overwhelming. It might be easier to try to name something they have done RIGHT.

At least it would be a short format.

Posted by: Butch Craven, Cleveland, OH | August 27, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

It's the stupid, stupid.

Posted by: Peter Stone | August 27, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama is NOT an African American. He is half white on his mother's side, and on his father's side, descended from Sudanese slave traders. This is what Jesse Jackson sees and recognizes.

Posted by: Sam | August 27, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Well perhaps good news at last. Sounds like McCain in about to announce Kay Baily Hutchinson as his VP. At least that will provide a more level playing field. She will be a huge albatross for McCain camp considering her attachment at the hip to the Bush family.

Posted by: buzzsaw1 | August 27, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

cnn would not broadcast the majority of speeches, avoid at all cost,go to pbs

Posted by: john talos | August 27, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton's did what they were supposed to do the past 2 nights. Only a few Hillary supporters who have jumped ship remain. Compare them to the Conservatives who will vote for Barr and Ron Paul or who will not vote at all because they detest McSame and you have Obama winning by a large margin. The MSM polls and pundits are trying to keep their jobs by injecting "drama" in this race.
The big question is what will people like FDR do when reality hits and Obama is our President?

Posted by: JoJo | August 28, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

The truth I would like to hear at the convention is, George Bush is a liar, George Bush has slaughtered Americans based on lies, George Bush is stupid, and Republicans were WRONG about George Bush. Republicans had their chance, they did not lead, we will.

Posted by: OH | August 28, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

OH: Do you support Bush?

Republicans: Yes

OH: I rest my case.

Posted by: OH | August 28, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

To paraphrase Mr. Carville:

It's the stupidity, stupid!

Posted by: 2600 | August 29, 2008 3:46 AM | Report abuse

Carville is a K Street lobbyist who would clean up under Clinton or McCain and lobs spitballs at Obama for that reason. No one's buying his act anymore. Republicans posing as Hillary supporters to sow disunity among Democrats are played out (but just won't go away). Watch how many Republicans back off from appearing at their pathetic convention in Larry Craig's favorite cruising spot, starting with Bush and Cheney. Jindal's already jumped on Hurricane Gustav as an excuse not to go. And McCain's picking a woman as Veep will fall flat because, unlike Hillary, Sarah Palin has never supported women's reproductive rights or right to equal pay for equal work.

Posted by: Dana Hatch | August 29, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Carville's time has been over for years now. The only people who don't realize that are Carville, the Clintons, and Carville's friends at CNN.

As for the PUMAs, just go already. Don't expect to be treated any differently than the Nader voters when you try to come back though.

Obama will win.

Posted by: Big Sky Blue | August 29, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

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