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McCain's Faith in the Surge

In terms of immediate impact, John McCain's vice-presidential pick was a great success: We're all talking about Sarah Palin today instead of Barack Obama's acceptance speech, delivered before a crowd of 84,000. It's hard, though, to forget the scene at Invesco Field last night. I didn't get to go to the stadium -- I was tethered to the pundit desk on the outdoor MSNBC set. The stadium is a fair distance away, on the other side of the South Platte River, but without the help of electronics I could hear the cheers echoing throughout downtown Denver. Someone described the on-site experience as "being inside a giant Barack Obama snow globe."

It's hard to run against a candidate who has such ability to make people feel, well, hopeful about the future. Hence the Palin choice. Mitt Romney would have been a polished and effective running-mate, and I'm sure that Tim Pawlenty would have done a creditable job as well. But neither was going to give the campaign a surge of electricity.

It's not clear that Palin will, either, though her performance this morning had a certain sparkle. As Jonathan and Charles have noted, she effectively takes McCain's most powerful weapon against Obama -- the "experience" issue -- off the table. And while Romney, for one, proved that he has a considerable national constituency, Palin has to go in search of one. Fast.

By Eugene Robinson  | August 29, 2008; 5:27 PM ET
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What Robinson and the rest of the bubble-dwellers don't seem to understand is, unlike his weeping fand club in the media, most Americans don't find Obama to be "against a candidate who has such ability to make people feel, well, hopeful about the future."

If he did, it wouldn't be such a close race with Bush's low approval and the media's insanely partisan attempts to spin every story to benefit Obama.

I'm glad you guys think so highly of your candidates. I remember the same glowing rhetoric about Kerry and Edwards. Look at those two now.

Posted by: rmorrow | August 29, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Look at it this way Robinson. If Palin takes the experience issue off the table for McCain then she also takes the Bush 3rd term issue off the table for Obama. McCain has shown he's a maverick at heart. Not a Bush clone. Bet he's as happy as a kid in a candy store, or more appropriately a gambler in Vegas. He gets to be himself for at least one day while managing to satisfy the hard core Republican base at the same time. Besides he's just about got as much mileage out of the celebrity ad as he can. At the same time the seed of doubt about Obama has been planted.

I for one am glad to see both the Obama crowd and the neocon crowd at the Post unhappy with this pick. McCain must have done something right.

By the way an Obama/Hillary ticket would have been unbeatable. A real "change" ticket. Now McCain may get to have the last laugh in November.

Posted by: tom007 | August 29, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I am a mature woman in a swing state, and this felt like a slap in the face. Not sure why. Maybe the idea somehow suggesting that we're all kind of interchangeable---but John McCain likes the beauty queens. Does not play well with me. I respect him even less than before.

Posted by: Olive | August 29, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

The Palin choice has taken the "ready to lead" question away from McCain and given a Dan Quayle opening to Obama. I don't see how a part-time mayor of 9,000 who beat a corrupt sitting Republican governor in a primary, and gets elected in a VERY Republican state, is qualified to be President. I read that Newt Gringrich said that when was Biden elected and sitting in the Senate, Palin was only 9 growing up in "a Western state." So were most of my neighbors, does that qualify them to be President ?
The first qualification for a VP, if one takes it seriously, is that the person should be able to be President at a moment's notice. This is also the first major Presidential decision a candidate makes...and this is what McCain comes up with ? Sorry , but just like his rush to war in Iraq, his rush to start a war with Iran, and pushing Georgia to tweak Russia's nose , this is not a very inspired decision. I, more now than ever, question McCain's ability to lead. Experience means squat if you don't use it to learn something ! We've had 8 years of that already.
The Chinese and Indians are already eating our lunch when it comes to producing more engineers and technicians...I see it every day at work. So we want a VP that thinks we should teach creationism in schools ? That goes to the very heart of whether this country actually believes in science or not.
I guess the Republicans think it's enough to wear their flag pins, wave a flag and accuse those who disagree with them of being unpatriotic, while closing their eyes to reality.

Posted by: Peter | August 29, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Gene,

You and I both know that Palin was not the most qualified candidate. It was a stupid, reckless, cynical, politically-motivated pick that seems like a crap shoot.

This reverses any possible Bradley Effect; we both know that the guys who don't have a problem with a pick like this are committed liberal democrats. He wins Alaska but loses Virginia, No Carolina, Florida and Georgia.

It was a stupid pick. It was an irresponsible pick (she has very little economic or foreign policy credentials).

If John McCain would run this country the way he's run his campaign, then, for the good of the country he should drop out of the race now. He's unilaterally disarmed his campaign and given away Iowa (ethanol), Colorado and New Mexico (water rights), and now he's lost the southern battlegrounds.

It's official; he's lost the plot. He would have had solid conservative support if he's selected Romney, Pawlenty or Portman. But what conservative with any kind of national security background and reputation would want to back a 72yr old cancer survivor and a newbie like Palin? Wow.

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 29, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

What about her age? I agree that she is, on the face of it, unqualified to be commander -in-chief. But is she technically qualified to hold that office?

Posted by: Peterd213 | August 29, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I was just watching Hardball, and here is a prime example of how the mainstream media talk shows stack the deck regarding women's viewpoints: 3 women were brought on to assess the Palin pick, but these were not just any ordinary women. Susan Molinari is a die-hard Republican, so we know what she will say.
Then there was a member of "PUMA" with an ax to grind---I frankly don't believe that woman was EVER a Democrat. So who represents "my" female point of view---Michelle Bernard. I have no problem with that, except that I am white and Michelle Bernard is black, and this is one of the main issues that is said to bear on the subject. Also, on hardball I got to hear Pat Buchanan's take on what he thinks women want. But what I don't get is: why don't they ask some of us ordinary
middle-aged women. Why---because we would give the wrong answer. Sometimes I wonder why I even watch these shows, they are telling me what I am supposed to be thinking, and they are so far off the mark it makes me want to cry.

Posted by: Olive | August 29, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

God forbid we ever need to see Sarah working with ANY foreign nation leader or any world catastrophe. She is paper thin and has nothing to offer the nation..

Posted by: Bill | August 29, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

LOL. Sarah Palin can cook. She can clean. She can fish. She can hunt. She can balance the state budget. She took on the old boy network. She faced down the oil industry in a state where they are in the industry. She sold the state jet and flies commercial. She drives herself to work every day. She's nursing a baby while sending a son to go fight in Iraq. She's giving a 1200 dollar oil dividend to her state citizens. She even looks hot in a suit!

You Dems are in BIG trouble. Looks like old McCain has picked Wonder Woman for the job.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't know any other conservitives with the women hating attitude "deep blue" has. Must be some backwoods hillbilly still living in the 50's. With a atitude towards women that he has I bet I know what part of his body is "blue". Whats the matter-not getting any?

Posted by: Lodie | August 29, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

I actually almost snorked coffee through my nose this morning when I saw that Palin was McCain's VP pick. After last night's speech I was more confident than ever that Obama was going to win. After the Palin announcement I'm all but certain that he will win.

This pick is aimed at grabbing a grossly overestimated number of sheep-like voters who are determined to vote for a female candidate no matter what policies she stands behind or how little experience she has. Did McCain pick one of the experienced GOP female senators? No, he has to get someone "hot."

Does he really think women are that stupid and/or cynical? I sure don't. A female Democrat (Hillary or someone else) will be president before long- there's no reason to throw away your vote on McSame and Palin.

Any media type can get one of those PUMA jackasses to rant on TV...don't believe for a minute that there are more than 1,000 of those people.

McCain just flushed his chances of being president down the toilet and I love it. I can't wait to go canvass my butt off for Obama all weekend now.

Posted by: Brandon | August 29, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Robinson and that cheerleading crew at NBC are doing all they can for Obama to win. The fact that the race is so close, it looks like not many people are turning in to them.

Posted by: seen enough | August 29, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

PALIN WILL BE FORCED OFF THE TICKET IN SCANDAL

The State of Alaska, with unanimous Democrat and Republican

approval, has appointed a SPECIAL PROSECUTOR to investigate

MRS. PALIN for abuse of Power and influence peddling.

Mrs. Palin is accused of trying to fire a State Trooper, who happened to be the ex-husband of her sister.

When the Public Safety Director refused a direct order from Mrs. Palin, to fire her ex-brother in law, Palin fired the Public Safety Director.

(See Nixon/Saturday Night Massacre)

Palin faces IMPEACHMENT CHARGES if the Special Prosecutor finds Palin at fault.

The Special Prosecutor, who has tapes of Mrs. Palin and others demanding that the Public Safety Director fire the ex-brother in law, will announce his results on October 31st.

(The Public Safety Director made secret audio tapes)

Well before October 31st, Mrs. Palin will be removed from the ticket.

McCain will be unable to explain, why---despite know about the brewing scandal---he still chose Mrs. Palin.

Lieberman will leap to McCain's defense admonishing reporters not to question McCain's judgement because "he is a former POW and the surge is working!"

Posted by: Bob | August 30, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

If the surge worked so well, we would be out of there already or at least moving toward the exit instead of still spending $10 Billion a month paying people not to shoot at us with more troops stationed there than before and not any closer to a political solution than we were before the surge started. The surge is more stay the course. Nothing changes with these neocons except the slogan. Enough already. We've had eight years of it and we can't afford four more. Especially with Miss Congeniality a heart beat away from Commander in Chief.

Posted by: Sara B. | August 30, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Just what this country needs, a woman who has served an 18th month term as gov, of a state no bigger than Brooklyn, never had been out of this country til a short time ago & needed a passport for the first time in her life, has 0 foreign policy knowledge, & does what for McCain's weakness on the economy? Are you kidding me! She is a hearbeat away from the presidency America, WAKE UP! I thought Romney or Lieberman were bad enough choices. I can see Cheney, Rove & Rumsfeld licking their chops now, to see themselves back in the White House if this old geezer gets elected. Any Hillary voter should be made aware that Sarah & Hill are polar opposites. They agree on 0. If McCain thinks he gets their vote just because they are women, he's as absurd as he is phony.

Posted by: jillsadesigner | August 30, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Lodie, I love women and I am a bleeding heart liberal committed to equal rights for blacks, latinos, jews, women and every human being.

The people who have problem with women in authority are the rednecks, and McCain just made a stupid, reckless, cynical choice that dooms his candidacy.

That you don't understand that or appreciate the moral progressive view of the universe is not uncommon. We need a better educational system in this country. I don't blame you; I blame Nixon, Reagan, Bush I and Bush II.

By the way, if you ignorant rednecks haven't figured it out yet, we are in a global, knowledge-based economy. Ignorance is no longer bliss; it is what it is, DUMB. China and India are going to eat our lunch if you people don't catch a clue!

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 30, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Having a woman on the ticket, particularly not a good woman, isn't going to get you elected. Ask Walter Mondale.Gerry Ferraro wasn't a good pick then and she hasn't changed any in 24 years. She said Obama only got where he is because he's black. Like she would have been picked to run as vp if she was a man.
BTW, that $1200 rebate Alaskans get, they would get no matter who the governor is, male or female, Dem or repub. It's part of how the oil industry does business in that state. Palin had nothing to do with it.
She's anti-abortion, for any reason even rape and incest; she's an NRA member; she's anti-evolution. Just what new voters is she supposed to bring to the republican party? A few disaffected Hillary supporters, who by their commnents prove that they really did not support Hillary for Hillary, but only because she is a woman. They'd vote for any woman, no matter how feeble a resume.

Posted by: mike l | August 30, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Palin seems like a nice lady, she has a great personal story. Political histories are often causes for dispute but she does seem to be a charming and well meaning person.
Couple of points you might want to remember:
She doesn't believe in science. She prefers creationism to evolution. That's a non-starter with about 80% of the American electorate..
She believes in global warming but doesn't believe it's man made. Maybe it's all those years living thousands of miles away from the lower 48 that leads her to believe we aren't impacting the planets climate, but it flies in the face of prevailing scientific theory.
She thinks abortion should be a felony crime in all cases.
A position that is supported by 18% of the US electorate.
In sum they vindicate Obamas claim that the Republicans embrace an extreme ideology, one that isn't shared beyond their political party.
Just imagine this question in the vice presidential debate.
Do you support the teaching of creationism in US public schools?
Palin: Yes.
Do you agree with the oil companies about the causes of global warming?
Palin: Yes.
If an eleven year old girl is raped and impregnated by her father, should she be forced to bring that fetus to term?
Palin:Yes.
and you would insist the administration appoint only judges that hold similar opinions.
Palin: So help me God.

At that point, the election is over.
McCain can be forgiven, we'll probably find out the VP was chosen after Obamas acceptance speech, he saw the handwriting on the wall and as one pundit put it, realized he needed a game changer. He went with a woman, hoping to catch what remained of the disaffected Hillarites. That was doomed to failure from the start though.
See, my Republican friends, during the convention, when you were posting as disaffected Clitonites, you were ignored. Most people were just shocked you had forgotten that you accused the Clintons of everything from political murders to mass murders to spying for the Red Chinese. Hillary killed Vince Foster, forced her young aides into torrid lesbian trysts, stole everything that wasn't nailed down when she left the White House and had affairs with every member of both her and Bills secret service details (never mind she was a lesbian, it was all true).

It boggles the imagination that you thought they might actually vote for you guys, it's a measure of how out of touch the Republicans are that they thought that might work.

Posted by: dijetlo | August 30, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

This message is for the women that voted for Hilarly Clinton. Were you voting for Hilarly because of who she is as a women and the issues that she is fighting for. Or because she is just a woman, than you are for voting for the wrong reason. And if you are giving your vote to McCain because he has nominated a woman for his vice president than you are voting for the wrong reason. Just as 2 wrongs don't make it right. Therefore, you should keep your vote to yourself. If any of you watched Hilarly during the democratic convention, Hilarly did not hold a scrudge or show bitterness against Obama. She is supporting Obama because she knows that the same issues she is fighting for, Obama will fight for them too and so should you.

Posted by: Mia | August 30, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

So, Palin is a creationist?? Which means she thinks the earth is about 2500 years old and that at one time in our past, humans domesticated dinosaurs. (Perhaps we gave them cute names too... like Rexy or Bronty.. oh I dunno..)
And it's possible she could be commander in chief? This is truly a nightmare. I'd vote for the Pope before her. Goodness..

Posted by: Will D. | August 30, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

I'm afraid after hearing what mr mccain called his new wife and how he laughed when Mrs. Clinton was called an offensive name, his choice of this woman does not speak well of her.

Are we looking for an oval office we can look up to or have we really regressed to a "Calamity Jane and John McCain" yahoo duo? I understand she just got her first passport last summer, I gather to drive through Canada to reach the lower 48. When will we ever learn?

Posted by: David | August 30, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Obama has more executive experience just from running his presidential campaign than Palin has from governing Alaska.

Posted by: m | August 30, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Someone described the on-site experience as "being inside a giant Barack Obama snow globe."

Or an echo chamber.

Posted by: Not Impressed | August 30, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Brilliant choice! McCain immediately picks up the entire gun lobby vote (only two states in the union, IL and WI, do not have concealed handgun carry laws!), and Obama/Biden will come off as the take-your-guns badguys, despite rhetoric to the opposite. Also, McCain activates his base, which is much more important than harvesting disaffected Hillary voters!

Obama loses, watch and see.

Posted by: Chuck | August 30, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

The Looney Left is Rabid about this! Perfect choice for McCain.

Posted by: Bill | August 30, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Sure - we are talking about McCain's pick today instead of Obama's speech. But the discussion is not as nice as McCain's handlers hoped.

Here is the gist of what I hear;

Is this a ploy to buy some "diversity" points?

Who really wanted celebertiy? A Beauty Queen and all the attendant desire to be affirmed at any cost?

Raising her grandaughter as her own?

Under investigation for abuse of power?

Bush likes the pick?

What am I missing here?

Posted by: Republican VN Era Vet | August 30, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Wonderful...good job SIDEKICK!!

Posted by: Chinky | August 30, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

So the "Bush clone" issue is off the table? Check out Palin's pedigree very closely folks. She puts this issue permanently ON the table for the rest of the campaign, because she is, in fact, a political clone of George W. Bush.

Posted by: Reverend Rock | August 30, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Great move by the republicans. Just wait and see how this plays out. Brilliant! She will deliver.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

When Ronald Reagan ran for President in 1980 he had absolutly no substantive foreign policy experience. His only prior elected experience was serving as Governor of California for eight years (1968-1976).

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/8384

Posted by: Christopher McElree | August 30, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Here's what's clear to me:

Obama, the undying promiser of change, chose his VP based on lack of confidence in his own message. Consequently, he chose a "same ole politician" WAR Monger, one who voted for Iraq (with the other 70%), and who is quite possibly responsible for causing the Mortgage crisis. I'm not making this up!

John McCain, the proven servant of the public and decorated service member, showed us all today that he is about all about "action" and not just promises. By choosing the first Republican Woman VP in history, not only did McCain continue where Hillary left off, he has also made apparent Barack Obama's biggest mistake of his career: Barack Obama did not beg Hillary Clinton to be his VP! Furthermore, McCain has chosen a model of the "Maverick" of a VP that he himself is known for.

Now I don't know about you, but to me, actions speak louder than unfulfilled promises. And today, Mr. McCain showed us action.

Go McCain / Palin 2008!!! You are the true symbols of unity and reform of our America.

Posted by: Lawson | August 30, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Choosing Sarah Palin was brilliant. A smart, tough, woman with principles that she's not afraid to put into practice, both in office and in her private life, and someone who shares McCain's prolife convictions and passion for reform. She will galvanize conservatives, attract moderates, and charm everybody. Attacks on Palin for any alleged lack of experience will backfire, since she has more executive experience than Obama and has an impressive record of action and reform in her home state, where she has approval ratings of over 80%. She is an exciting part of a ticket with character, a ticket with a passion for reform, a dream ticket....a winning ticket! The leftists, the press, and Democratic operatives are understandably testy about all of this. Too bad for them!

Posted by: Vincent | August 30, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

I was going to vote McKinney or Barr as a protest, but WOW! WTG JMC! Charismatic choice. For those of you who are older or younger than 44, there is a generational divide. if you are 46, you are the last of the baby boom dinosaur liberals, even though you are "young". If you are 44, you are in a different generation, because your experiences are much different than someone who is 46. 46 is a 70's child. 44 is an 80's child. If you are 44 you couldn't vote in 1980. If you are 46 you voted for JIMMAH!

Posted by: Tito | August 30, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

The real story here is that John McCain has demonstrated that he is more of a cowboy than George Bush. He picked Palin after meeting her only ONCE! That is really shooting from the hip. This demonstrates how carefully John McCain considers important decisions. If John McCain had picked her after knowing her for years or at least after many recent meetings, then we would know that he personally had carefully researched judgment, intelligence, temprament, etc. Would you marry a person after only one meeting?

Posted by: SkyBlue-22 | August 30, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Let's be honest, McCain probably wouldn't have picked Palin if she weren't so attractive, physically. What makes you think different? Look how he treats Cindy. It's easy to see that McCain is a "good old boy" and good old boys don't usually have much use for a woman unless she's a looker.

Posted by: Hilary Smith | August 30, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

This was a brilliant move that will throw the Obama camp into disarray as they try to cope with the fact that to not vote McCain makes you a sexist.

Obama will them begin to unravel as he says progressively stupider things as November approaches and then the GOP will make history with the first female Vice President.

Posted by: Xray | August 30, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

RMorrow:Dissing Kerry and Edwards when YOUR president has the lowest approval rating EVER since such polls were invented is laughable. Are you kidding???

Posted by: Mateo | August 30, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

The real story here is that John McCain has demonstrated that he is more of a cowboy than George Bush. He picked Palin after meeting her only ONCE! That is really shooting from the hip. This demonstrates how carefully John McCain considers important decisions. If John McCain had picked her after knowing her for years or at least after many recent meetings, then we would know that he personally had carefully researched judgment, intelligence, temprament, etc. Would you marry a person after only one meeting?

Posted by: SkyBlue-22 | August 30, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

You right-wing nut-job types don’t care about real American values like liberty. You only care about forcing others into submission. You’re ignorant and dangerous.

Posted by: Hilary Smith | August 30, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

He's probably tappin' her. Won't both Cindy and the makeup-wearing trollop be mad.

Posted by: dude | August 30, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

We need substance and not speeches. She is all about results; I think MacCain was very calculating.

Posted by: The Thinker | August 30, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

I thought this was a joke when I heard the news!

The one thing McCain had right in this election is that experience and judgment matter in our leaders.

Palin has almost zero experience in government; McCain has been running his current presidential campaign for longer that she has been governor of Alaska!

This, and she's already shown a lack of good jodgment; Palin is facing charges of abusing her power as governor by firing her brother-in-law from his job as a honorable state trooper.

McCain has just conceded the election.

Posted by: Bob, Dallas TX | August 30, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

The real story here is that John McCain has demonstrated that he is more of a cowboy than George Bush.

DUH? That's your Obama argument. BZZZT! Sorry Please try again.

Posted by: hank | August 30, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Great move. I have one question if Palin's "inexperience" worries you then why would you even consider voting for Obama. If you deem her unqualified because of lack of experience then you have to deem Barack unqualified as well. Do you do that? If not then shut up about the experience issues and look at the real issues. She is a great pick. Worked her way up from PTO president, isn't stuck on washington politics (unlike Biden who has a lobbyist son, I wonder what kinda of ear a VP would give his son), she was raised Blue Collar and her husband still is a commercial fisherman. She is a lifetime NRA member. For the Republican party she was a great pick. I hope she and McCain stick to their guns and dont allow anymore earmarks on bills. Now that is change. More change than I have actually heard Obama say he will do. All he says is change. What will he change? A democracy to a dictatorship?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

I have to laugh at the comments here. The "Palin Announcement" isn't even 24 hrs old and many are jumping to conclusions about who she is, what she stands for, what she will do for the Republican ticket, etc. Hmmmm.... seems to me there are A LOT of "arm-chair-quarterbacks" out there that are really nervous. Okay, so she gave an acceptance speech. So what! I'm going to sit back and see how this plays out rather than make an ignoramus out of myself by jumping to conclusions. Lighten up people! Give Sara Palin her due!

Posted by: Moss | August 30, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

(scratching head)Isn't Alaska the largest state in the Union? hmm, I seem to remember that from grade school. Oh and not to mention the strategic importance of this state, the bitter-cold winters, and the sheer abundance of natural resources this great state offers. Obama was ready to make Alaska a battleground.

Not bigger than brooklyn? Check your facts bra

And they called Hillary voters dumb. WOW

Posted by: Morticia | August 30, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

I look forward to next week's convention. I am one of the undecided females. Good for McCain campaign to shrewdly take douse the heat of the Dem's big O night with news of his veep pick. If Sarah's got some legit heft, I would imagine a lot of undecideds will seriously consider the McCain/Palin ticket.
If, however, she's as lightweight as some recent news articles report, then that's time-wasting nonsense we can't afford today.

This is 2008. Both campaigns are on notice that we want smart, strong and straight talk about policies so we can make a choice -- not based on female/male -- but on what's best for America.

Posted by: Katherine | August 30, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

I've spent most of the afternoon and evening trying to decide how I feel about Sarah Palin. Appalled, that John McCain would choose such an unprepared person? Delighted, as I don't for one minute think the Hillary supporters she is trying to court will be deceived into voting this ticket? Tough choice!

Gene, I think it was downright nasty of MSNBC to stick you and Olberman and Matthews and Maddow, et al, outside at that strange site. You deserved to be inside with Brokaw and Williams to witness history being made.

And no, we didn't all forget that that's what happened last night, despite the destraction of today. In fact, we'll never forget it.

Posted by: Maggie | August 30, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

I live in Alaska. I can tell you that nothing would please me more than for Palin to be elected VP. That would get her out of our state and give us the chance for a real governor (like Halcro).

I was anti-McCain (and anti Obama for that matter) until now - but if him becoming president means that we get rid of Sarah, I'm all for it.

Posted by: Please - take Sarah | August 30, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

you guys are missing the point.

Palin, like Hillary, has more cojones than Obama or Biden put together...and is married to a fisherman famous for his Iron Dog race wins. Your ignorance reminds me of when Dale Earnhart was killed, and the press said :WHO?

As for experience, Obama can't quite point fingers now, can he?

Posted by: Tioedong | August 30, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

When Ronald Reagan ran for President in 1980 he had absolutly no substantive foreign policy experience. His only prior elected experience was serving as Governor of California for eight years (1968-1976).

____________

California has the population of Canada. Alaska has the population of nowheresville. Reagan was a nice B-grade actor who used recipe cards with written answers- let's just leave it at that.

Posted by: David | August 30, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

I thought this choice was fantastic. It really energizes the party. Having Obama face off against two old white guys just does not look as compelling in this election cycle.

She wasn't chosen because she's pretty. She's shown that she can deliver real change. Certainly she's accomplished far more than Obama (at any point in his career -- Obama was totally ineffective even as a community organizer by his own admission).

The test will be when she debates Biden. When she wins those debates a lot of these critics will be silenced.

Our Margaret Thatcher has arrived!

Posted by: mla | August 30, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Can somebody give me an honest ANSWER, please!

If the surge has WORKED, then why are we asking the troops to STAY for another 100 years????

If the job is done then the troops should come home or be redeployed!!!!!

I thought what they did is arm the Sunnis to help fight the Shihites (and vice versa). Now they fear that if the troops leave then Iraqis will start to slaughter EACH other with those weapons, so let American troops stay for 100 years to quell any problems?!?! Good work GEORGE!!!!

Posted by: Jon Peterson | August 30, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

McCain's VP pick is under Investigation by the Alaska Attorney Generals Office for Misuse of Power and was a supporter of the Pork Bridge to Nowhere until the American People (including McCain) refused to Pay for this grand scheme, and only then was against it. The Rove / Limbaugh / Hannity entertainers have been trying to pitch McCain's failure in Judgment. Sarah Palin was a Shock and was chosen exactly for that reason to shock the conscience and create a Buzz in McCain's dismal campaign. Keep an eye on her husband. He will be the one to torpedo this ill advised misadventure. More of the same mediocrity.

Posted by: Fareed H. Ansari | August 30, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Okay, media and company, if you must drink the koolaid, please share with the rest of us so we can be equally deluded.

McCain's pick for Veep is a gun toting, creationist teaching, former beauty contestant who has governed for a year and change over a state with many more resources and roughly the same amount of citizens as Mayor Fenty. A brilliant choice?

Posted by: Julie | August 30, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Some of the best, smartest people to get things done are the ones without a lot of experience. Where would the world be without Bill Gates, and his motley looking bunch of nurds who built Microsoft. Picking THIS women was genius for our country! The hell with the parties, we need people who can get things DONE, we need to be Americans!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

38 million watched obama... not mccain's 1 trick pony to the fundamentalists and the few women who are still mad about Hillary. I really think it's an insult to women personally that he thinks he can pull this off. 4 more years of GOP will take care of this country for yours and your kids lives.... say hello to a 3rd world country.

Posted by: icdumbpeeps | August 30, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

I am getting tired of hearing people say that Palin, or whomever, does not believe in science because they believe in creation. Science seeks to understand the causes for observed effects. There is nothing in the scientific method that says that an explanation for an observation must lead to a naturalistic cause. It must only lead to the true cause. If the true cause for the existence of our universe is that it was created, then that IS the scientific explanation.

Posted by: Jason | August 30, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

All I ask is that she tone down her voice - it is shrill and will become annoying.

Posted by: David | August 30, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Boy I can't imagine Palin trying to deal with international politics, world leaders, ever changing global events. What experience does she have? None at that level! Thank goodness Obama does. Right. At least she's run a government at a true operational level. And a city.

Think about it - really think about their records. Would you rather have Palin or Obama run the country? Here's my choice in order of preference:

1) McCain
2) Biden or Palin
3) Obama

Posted by: mmr | August 30, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Imagine Sarah Palin becoming the President which is a real possibility considering McCain's age. What ever side we take we can not deny the fact that Dick Cheney is a competent, intelligent person with proven track record. Compare him to Palin.

Is Ideology and beauty alone sufficient qualification for becoming a (Vice) President?

Posted by: Dem | August 30, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

If we have sufficient common sense, let's not expect good judgment and decisions from morons. Stay alert to protect this nation from internal threats by morons. Reject them decisively by votes and give complete victory (all 50 states) to Obama so that perpetual stupidity may not linger on.

Posted by: O.P. Neon | August 30, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

So much for Obama's press cycle of "basking in his self-appointed greatness"... POOF! new headline buddy........ MCCAIN KNOWS HOW TO PLAY!!!


At first, some will minimize the impact of this historical moment, but soon, it will set in, and then the "Mavericks" will hold the reigns and take this country to greatness.

Obama, you affected a change alright.

Posted by: Yuri | August 30, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

I cannot get beyond how McCain treated the other Republican Presidential contenders. He teased them with hints he might pick them for his VP and then "threw them under the bus". Palin does not belong on the ticket. No vote from me for McCain/Palin.

Posted by: reaganw | August 30, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

Is Ideology and beauty alone sufficient qualification for becoming a (Vice) President?

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Apparently, in the United States now, it is (although I think beauty too strong a term in this case)

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

The choice of Sara Palin clearly exposes McCain's lack of judgment.

Posted by: Ed | August 30, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

"Reject them decisively by votes and give complete victory (all 50 states) to Obama so that perpetual stupidity may not linger on" ....

Do you know Tony Rezko?

LOL

Now is a great time to smoke some crack with Obama, while he's still a presidential candidate, because come November - it's all over!

Posted by: Victor | August 30, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

A lot of these comments are posted by the same people posting over and over and over... Do you think it will do you any good to spout idiotic comments for countless hours? Are you being paid to do this? Have you any shred of a soul?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone here actually changed their vote because of McCain's choice of Palin?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

It's funny to read the comments by unattractive liberal women who don't shave their armpits- who are offended by the selection of a 'beauty queen'. So that negates having been elected governor of a state? Can't get past the beauty? A little self- hate or sexism getting in the way?
LOL

Posted by: Chris K | August 30, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

A lot of these comments are posted by the same people posting over and over and over... Do you think it will do you any good to spout idiotic comments for countless hours? Are you being paid to do this? Have you any shred of a soul?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 1:18 AM
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Well, Anonymous,, I find that you've posted quite a bit here.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Talking about change?

Today Mr. McCain became the most courageous embodiment of change that I have seen in recent history. This guy is not afraid to make it happen for America!!!

So all those 21 negative mentions of McCain in the "god" speech last night, just turned on their speaker and his Biden buddy.

Stunning, completely, unfathomably stunning.

I LOVE THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!

Posted by: Henry | August 30, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

The real story here is that John McCain has demonstrated that he is more of a cowboy than George Bush. He picked Palin after meeting her only ONCE! That is really shooting from the hip. This demonstrates how carefully John McCain considers important decisions. If John McCain had picked her after knowing her for years or at least after many recent meetings, then we would know that he had carefully researched her judgment, intelligence, temperament, etc. Would you marry a person after only one meeting?

Posted by: SkyBlue-22 | August 30, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Remember when Jon McCain said that Sen. Obama was willing to lose a war in Iraq in order to win a presidential election? Now Sen. McCain has shown that he is willing to jeopardize Americas security with his choice of an obvioulsy unquailified candidate in order to win an election. At 72 years of age and having multiple bouts with cancer this choice has profound consequences. Shame on you Senator McCain! Barack Obama now has my vote.

Posted by: Battle Born | August 30, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Palin's a gimmick. no PTA Hockey Mom is the bright shining star of any feminist movement, no matter how good she bakes brownies for bakesales.

if this is the best the GOP has to offer from its up and coming pool of talent, then things are worse for them than i realized.

Posted by: thomas | August 30, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Another creationist religious conservative with ties to big energy corporations - that dismisses conservation and thinks god will help her make policy. Palin really is another WBush. I don't think this choice will sound so good after peaple really examine her beliefs.

Posted by: rapchat | August 30, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

She is an anti-choice evangelical who wants to teach creationism to our children - which of Hillary's true supporters is going to be swayed by her? None!!! only the fakes managed by the Rove people. The Palin choice is a desperate move by the McCain handlers- you can be sure that the Rove team made the choice since McCain barely knows her. With her lightweight resume: beauty queen, sport fishing , snowmobile rentals, and 2 years governorship of an idiosyncratic state with a very small population. They haven't even fully vetted her since she is caught up in a local scandal- WootenGate in Alaska. After all the hot air emitted by the McCain/Rove team about Obama's lack of experience they look even more hypocritical than ever. This is a ploy that will come back to bite them - only hard-core conservatives will buy into it. Who could want this person, as nice as she may be, to be a heart beat away from the presidency given McCain's age and health history. This is a gift the Obama/Biden campaign. The neocons self-destruct yet again!!! Thanks John.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Being an independent I take great pleasure in seeing both sides of this race snipe at each other. Reading some of these posts makes me laugh so hard I almost bust my gut. You people just don't know how funny you are making claims and saying things about people you don't know, have never met, nor even heard about. Your facts are based on non-truths and rumors which you happily keep repeating. Trying to convence people who have already decided who they want to vote for. You yammer away only for the pure enjoyment of trying to find some new way to insult someone. Obama doesnt care what the Rep. think about his running mate. Nor does McCain care what the Dems think about his running mate. But both McCain and Obama think highly what we independents think. So if you have already decided who you want to vote for then shut up and let those of us who actually decide who the next president will be have some peace and quiet!

Posted by: independent451 | August 30, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

This is a huge mistake, a clear miscalculation. There is a long list
of more qualified republican women who
should have had that spot. This pick is salt in the wound for hard-working women everywhere.

Even Charlie Black, a McCain advisor said "she'll have 4 years of learning under the master". What? Apparently being vice president is an internship. Why couldn't McCain find a woman his equal? Is it because he'd feel threatened? There are plenty of solid republican women out there, Olympia Snowe, Carly Fiorina, Condoleeza Rice. I could go on.

She doesn't even know what the vice president does!

Posted by: matt | August 30, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

You have got to be kidding me.

Palin has experience running an administration SMALLER than Columbus Ohio.. Alaska's economy is smaller than Belaurus. He claim to fame is axing a single pork barrel project ( the bridge to nowhere). She is pro life (take that Hillary supporters), she favors teaching creationism in schools..

Unbelievable...McCain must be off his rocker...

Posted by: Scott ANdrews | August 30, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

That Jon Peterson poster must 12 years old and playing on the computer again.

Please....

Posted by: Chris K | August 30, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Neither Palin nor Obama have much experience...yet who's the one claiming he's the end-all-be-all for the top spot?! Seriously people, I'd much rather see someone like Palin with actual "executive" experience in the Veep seat than a do-nothing invention like Obama in the Oval Office.

Posted by: pville | August 30, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Sara B. Worried about the surge still and the neocons?

Heck we are worried about the NAZI FemBots who have systematically killed 6 million babies during the last four years, while making a false political issue, out of 4000 deaths in the war in Iraq.

When are you going to address all the innocent children you waterboard in amniotic fluid while suctioning off their limbs during you torture process?

When will you fight for a childrens right to survive? Geez you women are hypocrites.

At least Palin gives a hoot about the children. All you Liberals think about is your friggin paycheck, and the terrible thought of having to give up a few bucks for your child, instead of your new car.

Posted by: Steven Wilson | August 30, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

Please...are we trying to select a vice-president for Belarus?????
Is VP of U-S-A worth anything?

Posted by: Roger | August 30, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

Rebuttal to your comments... Tom007, Palin has made more executive decisions as governor in 1 week than Obama has voted on issues over his very short term as senator... Olive, attacking pretty and successful women. I guess you are one of those ugly jealous women who had to remove all of your mirrors in your house. Shame on you!!!...Deep Blue, if you are so worried about the ecology, why don't you sell your car and walk so you are not using all of the precious oil. Eat your trash and don't put it in the land fills. Think about what you personally done for the ecology. Just go out and get areal job, I know there are jobs because there are a lot of illegal’s over here working...Bill, I wonder what Obama wants to do with Iran. I feel a Jimmy Carter blunder all over again. That was a world catastrophe. Thank God for Reagan to clean that one up...Bob, I applaud any Governor who steps in and cleans up the Alaskan State Troopers house for not getting rid of a State Trooper who intentionally uses a taser on a child. All governors have that power. Go back to school and you may learn something if you open your ears and not your mouth....DIjetlo, You state 80% of Americans don't believe in creationism? What about the other 45% that flocked in to churches after 9/11. You might want to leave your block and visit the real world. Will, by the way, the Bible does not state the the Earth is 2500 year old. Do your self a favor, save your sole and read it with an open heart...And finally for the rest of you "Ney Sayers", the Republicans are pumped up and this is the first time since the Reagan/Bush years that I have seen this much energy and fire. Obama doesn’t have a chance. Thank God I may get to keep my guns.

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

John McCain has put EVERYTHING ON THE LINE to show that he is EXACTLY NOT what the Obama campaign has spent over 500 MILLION dollars painting him as.

Great job John, you are honorable, you exemplify service to our country, your sincerity and willing to act under pressure are unrivaled by any candidate, you are an inspiration, you and your new Vice President are truly the Mavericks of our time!

Welcome back America, welcome back to the greatest and best example of a country on earth!

Posted by: Nick | August 30, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

Palin is a great choice. Look at her amazing track record as a reformer in Alaska. And, unlike anyone else on the ballot, she has executive experience. Most successful presidents were Governors. Funny hearing Dems cry about her lack of experience when the top of their ticket is less qualified to lead than the bottom of the Republican ticket. Amazing the sexism I'm seeing in the MSM and left wing blog o sphere toward Palin. But, considering that Obama refers to female reporters as sweetie, I guess I should expect an anti female agenda from the Democrats. See http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/14/obama-calls-reporter-swee_n_101754.html.

Posted by: NorCal Resident | August 30, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

I think McCain is pandering to the disaffected Hillary supporters and has made a mistake. He's demonstrated more faith in his continued health than the public has.

Posted by: Space_Weepul | August 30, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Thr really interesting quetion is whether Palin can prevent Obama from splitting the "Joshua Generation" of Evangelicals away from the Republicans. Her Pat Buchanan, far-right, ideological Republicanism may well be the same-old, same old for those under 30. It may not be consistant with the born again Christianity in which they believe

Posted by: Phrank | August 30, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

What people don't know is that Palin's Brother in law (THE HONORABLE STATE TROOPER) [laughable] beat his wife, Palin's sister. A cop who breaks the law HAS to lose his job. Basically just the way it works, but with his good ole boy friends to protect him, he still has a job. Palin's just trying to do the right think. I lived in Alaska until 2 years ago so I have an inside and outside perspective. She's no nonsense, and I've had a hardon for Obama since this whole thing started, but he's been marching towards the cliff the last two weeks and Bidens neo-liberalism will drag him down. Palin and McCain both can play bipartisan, which is what we need. McCain actually comes out and says what he's going to do, Obama just generalizes. Just read their websites side by side.

Posted by: Matt H | August 30, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Our presidential politics seem to be developing into the game of baseball, tending toward a .500 split. Now it seems that McCain is the "Manny Ramirez" of presidential politics, apparently the Republican party is letting McCain be McCain. The selection of Sarah Palin for VP is the slickest and most cynical ploy yet. It's an insult to all the hard work Hillary has done and to all of us who have been uplifted by Obama's message.

I agree with the comments about Hardball. I don't know why Chris Matthews and MSNBC would give that PUMA woman a forum.

Posted by: G. Jensen | August 30, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

The Obama campaign (followed by their minions in the mainstream media) are criticizing Sarah Palin of being too inexperienced to be "a heartbeat away from the Presidency". This is obviously a play on the Republican's criticism that Obama himself has little qualification to be President.

But I have come to the conclusion that McCain/Palin represents the opposite of Obama/Biden. If you are going to have a candidate that is weak on experience, it makes sense for that candidate to be on the bottom of the ticket. Whereas the Democrats have nominated what is essentially the very ticket they hate the most; modeled after the Bush/Cheney ticket. Bush was the less experienced candidate and the thought was that Dick Cheney would offer the experience that Bush didn't have. How funny is that?

My conclusion here is that John McCain is one sneaky guy. He has basically created a ticket that will cause the Democrats to criticize (over and over) his ticket for what they themselves are guilty of. Every time your average American voter hears the Dems say that Palin is too inexperienced, they will quickly be reminded by Republicans that is why she is on the ticket are the Vice President rather than the President.

Good job John!

Posted by: Kevin D. Korenthal | August 30, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

I love how the righties are all about false equivalence. "Neither Obama nor Palin have been around nearly as long as McCain, therefore they are equally inexperienced." (But hey, the MediaCorp has a long history of falling for that crap.)

Oh, and population of Alaska? 670,000. Population of Obama's old state congressional district (his "minor" public office)? 650,000. Population of Illinois, which Obama now represents as a US Senator? 12,830,000. Approximate number of people who voted for Obama in the Democratic primary? 19,000,000.

Number who voted for Palin in the Republican primary? 0.

Posted by: Whippy | August 30, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

HAHAHAHAHA

Some of you idiots say that she doesn't have enough experience.. She's been a mayor, a mother of five, and a governor.. Sounds like the woman has some leadership skills.

Now lets looks at your boy Obama.. hes worked 142 days in the Senate and voted "present" like half of the time, but OBVIOUSLY he's qualified!! HAHA

Obama/Hillary would have been UNSTOPPABLE but THANK GOD Obama is as dumb as he is so now we can pave the way for McCain/Palin in 2008!!!

Socialism/Communism(Obamaism) will not get to rear its ugly face in America as long as McCain and Palin have anything to say about it!

Posted by: Spencer | August 30, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

Folks- Palin is a creationist. Which means she thinks the earth is about 2500 years old and that at one time in our past, humans domesticated dinosaurs. (Perhaps we gave them cute names too... like Rexy or Bronty.. oh I dunno..) I'm sure she'll make better choices though... don't worry.

Posted by: Will D. | August 30, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Look at Palin closely and think. She is just like Obama in many ways. It will be hard for Obama to attack Palin because that would discredit himself. Palin is a fine candidate, just like Obama, as long as they put their country first. Another way to say all these: if you think Obama is ready to lead, so does Palin. Oh, many many women supported Hillary for only ONE reason: because she is a woman, not because of her charm, her characters, her status, her policies, etc., but a woman. Palin will woo many of them.

Posted by: indi | August 30, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

"Yada Yada Yada Obomba" is a poseur and speaks to the emotions of the masses like some motivational cult leader. He is a Kennedy wannabe, but will never be. Obama voted "present" on over 100 issues, way to take a stand Barak!

Why do people think "HOPE" is a reason to vote for him? I can spell "DOPE" and "NOPE" when it comes to this racist fool. He has no policies behind his promises. B.O. and Michele have shown their self-serving colors. In Iowa, Obama said "When America gets a cold, Black America gets pneumonia". Gee, maybe "Poor America" would be more INCLUSIVE. People, get a grip on reality! God help us if this person gets elected.

McCain is a well qualified Presidential candidate, who, while in a POW camp, wouldn't leave until his friends were all released. This demonstrates his character, strength and leadership abilities. Obama would be on the phone crying for Oprah to buy the country so he could be the first one out.

Posted by: jena | August 30, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

John McCain has captured not only the revered credits of experience and service, but has beat Mr. Obama at his own game by choosing for a VP someone who is younger than him, but someone who has already proven herself by going against her party and successfully removing corruption as Governor of Alaska.

Obama's lack of action and lack of results and long-long-list of promises have been nullified by this moment.

HOORAY FOR AMERICA!!!!

Posted by: Kelly | August 30, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

If Palin is a real mom, who is raising her 5 children...including the DS child? How can she afford $3000 eyeglass? Just wondering. IMHO, she seems like a tool.

Posted by: Gumby | August 30, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Now John has a Barbie Doll on each arm.

Posted by: Chris | August 30, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

It's obvious that McCain doesn't care about any of use, he just cares about winning the White House at any cost, so they can remain the rich people they are and throw the rest of us the scraps. There are a lot of other republican women who are a better selection than Palin. "No way, no how, no McPalin".

Posted by: chill | August 30, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Are you kidding?

It puts experience on the table. Obama has even less experience then she has. Every time they attack her inexperience, they highlight Obama's inexperience. And Obama is on the top of the ticket, not on the bottom of the ticket.

Posted by: Cliff | August 30, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse

Let me see. Palin has been the Chief Executive Officer of the State of Alaska. Obama has been, well, a junior senator for four years and never been the CEO of anything. Why, pray tell, is Obama qualified to be Commander in Chief while Palin is not? Please enlighten me on this point. Please also enlighten me on why Joe Biden, an inane old windbag, is so admirably qualified for that office. I'm interested. Please explain.

Posted by: Chuck Cardiff | August 30, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse

The Obama camp can't attack Palin on the issue of experience because she has more executive experience than Obama does. And everytime somebody points out her lack of experience, the public listening is reminded of Obama's lack of experience.

Democrats are in trouble with this pick.

Posted by: Andrew Austin | August 30, 2008 1:33 AM | Report abuse

"When Ronald Reagan ran for President in 1980 he had absolutly no substantive foreign policy experience. His only prior elected experience was serving as Governor of California for eight years (1968-1976)."

California is a nation in its own right.

Posted by: Bobo5 | August 30, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Steven Wilson, what 'udder' nonsense you spew. Yes, we must have all the babies live so thaat we can drop bombs on them and have them maimed for life with our cluster bombs. Disgusting, unthinking idiot. If you care for life so much, then stop the warmongers and torturers who dwell within what was once a proud country.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

"... You Dems are in BIG trouble. Looks like old McCain has picked Wonder Woman for the job."

I have to agree with what Anonymous posted 8/29/08. Palin is a great choice. She doesn't play the same games the "good ol' boy" politicians like to play. She sees something wrong she's going to address it.... Get ready W Town, the rules are about to change.

Posted by: Can Hardly Wait! | August 30, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's beauty has moved McCain's heart when they first met. Coming soon she will become our Commander In Chief since McCain is too old to command. We wish her beauty will move hard line Chinese leaders, caputure Putin's heart or best of all get Bin Ladin falls in love with her. What more do we wishe for? American, please give her a chance to lead our country. No experiences needed, beauty is more important than.

Posted by: Jenni N | August 30, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

75% of the country feels the present policies are wrong and that our country is headed in the wrong direction. We have a presidential candidate who supported 90% of the decisions that got us here, who says things are fine, yet chooses a reform number 2? Now I'm really confused. I thought everything was fine with the country? Why the need for a reform candidate? Or was she chosen only because she's a woman?

If this is the case of the prior, that we need to clean up washington and put our country in a new direction, then McCain has to basically admit the present administration has handled things poorly. Something which will be very difficult to do since he's supported AND VOTED for the present direction 90% of the time. So to justify this he has to admit there is a problem, defend the role he directly played in creating the problem, and then position them both as the team to address them. Tall order.

If this is the case of the second then I think woman will see through this over time. If she was selected only because she was a woman this can turn into a nightmare for them. Woman will find this patronizing because she was chosen for what she is rather than what she offers. I don't know of a professional woman who wouldn't be angered by that if this turns out to be the case.

Inherently her selection pulls the experience and age discussion off the table. Until the republican's selected Palin the had a half legged argument on that one. No longer does that argument have legs.

Finally I thought the number 1 issue here was economy? She's run a state with a population the size of Dayton OH and managed a town, a very small town at that, as mayor. McCain has admitted he isn't strong on the economy. So where is the economic braintrust here? I don't see one.

If I were a democrat I'd play the "we're confused" card. Why a reform candidate when the message has so far been things are fine? I don't think they need to attack her, touch experience, or anything else. In essence the question of her reform qualities will open up a pandoras box of its own for McCain to defend. I'd push McCain during a debate, get him pissed off, and let him spin in circles trying to justify why reform in light of his record and message over the past 8 years. If it wasn't for reform then I think people are smart enough to connect the dots on the only other reason her selection makes any sense...


Posted by: fortheclueless | August 30, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Why is it comment boards like this are full of viral hatred from left wingers? When Obama picked Biden, the right was not out there trashing him or Obama. Is the Democrat party really the party of "change", or has it simply become the party of hatred for all things not liberal? I'm a moderate that has been on the fence until now, but after Obama shouted at me about how bad McCain is last night and reading the most hateful comments all over the web about Palin today, I'm solidly for McCain now. There is way too much HATE in the Democratic Party to take it seriously anymore.

Posted by: a moderate | August 30, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Wow! This election is SO over for Mr. NObama. Glad to see we won't have to suffer his tax increases, and socialist reforms. If I wanted socialism, I would just move to North Korea - keep your hands off the USA commies!

Posted by: John Galt | August 30, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Those of us who know that Obama represents a brighter future for our great nation concede that Mc Cain wins the news cycle today, He did after all insult the intelligence of the vast majority of women even the majority of the PUMA clan. His ultra evangelical neocon base is more secure but who ever thought Obama would get any of that crowds votes anyways. Karl Rove and Steve Schmidt are not amateurs at the divide and conquer game but I for one remain very confident in the intellignece of not just our nations women but also of our citizenry at large. America understands that it has nothing to fear in Obama and will choose hope over manufactured fear this election. Our nations youth will be a pivotal part of this movments success and come November 4th Mc Cain will have to go home and finish his work on his bucket list. OBAMA BIDEN in 2008! YES WE CAN! No way No how No Mc Cain America!!

Posted by: Linda Douglas | August 30, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

The question of Palin's experience is a joke. She is the chief executive of the largest land area state. She has run that state and in a short time has a record of achievement she can talk about. Obama talks about change but after 8 years in the Il. legislature and almost 3 in the senate can't identify a single accomplishment of change. Obama's greatest accomplishments are his runs for higher office.

What needs to be stated is that Barak is not running against Palin, he's running against McCain. Nonetheless, I'd say unabashedly that Palin is more qualified to be President than Obama.

Posted by: mykal | August 30, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

I voted for Hilary in the primaries.
I've voted Democratic my whole life; however, after Obama's "you're not the right fit" dismissive to Hilary at the end of the campaign, I decided not to vote for Obama - I was going to write in Hilary.

After this morning, I saw a woman who could not only speak well, knew the issues, but has more excutive experience than the democratic presidential candidate. She lives her pro-life comittment and actually has taken action to end "old boy networks", even in her own party. I have every confidence she can handle other male world leaders as well.

But it is the Obama bumper sticker I see on the car of a co-worker that seals the deal. Oh yeah, he's a democrat, but here's the real story: this guy paid for the abortion of more kids than he's had - and that was just with his first wife. And that wife filed a stay away order when she divorced him because he was such a obsessed misogynist.

His second wife became so because she refused to abort that pre-marriage pregnancy, She divorced him too because he was such a misogynist, and later filed a successful (read big payout) EEO against him because he couldn't control himself at work. There's your Obama supporter!

Its those kind of hypocritical misogynists in the demcratic party that opposed Hilary, and the the ones in for a big surprise this Fall, that I voting against...

Posted by: Steve | August 30, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

McANE THINKS WOMEN ARE STUPID THEY ARE BLINDED BY GENDER ELECTION.THEREFORE HE BROUGHT A PUPET FOR STILLING THE WOMAN BALLOT BY SHOWING CUTE WOMAN ON STAGE.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

Obama, made a major political mistake on not getting Hillary and bringing the whole party together, period!

McCain helped his campaign by picking another maverick and female who can stand up to anyone. Palin has as much experience as Obama on top of his ticket. Palin is a new inspiring pick the republicans need. She has 80 percent approval in Alaska and is the most popular Governor in America. She taxed oil companies and gave it all back to Alaska's taxpayers at $1,200 each.

Obama is a smart inspiring speaker, but Palin's actions speak louder than political words. She has fought corruption in both parties in Alaska. When she speaks she says it like it is, unlike polished career politicians. Some people can talk the talk, but Palin can walk the walk. Anyone with doubts about Palin should watch her interview with Maria Bartiromo on CNBC.

People are talking negatively about Palin without knowing all the facts about what she has achieved, including the media because they are in love with Obama.

Now the race is exciting! History will be made period with either Obama or McCain!

Posted by: abel | August 30, 2008 1:38 AM | Report abuse

How is it that everyone's biggest criticism of Palin is that she's not ready to be president in a moment's notice? She has more experience than Obama. Where's the outrage that he could end up president with no experience at all?

Posted by: Tim | August 30, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Palin will do just fine...and the sky is not falling, so don't worry.

By the way, on the Trooper issue, the SOB threatened Palin's father and tasered his own 11 yr. old step-son. He should have been fired, but that is not the issue with the Public Safety Director...he just did not want to get on the governors policy and fiscal program. On the later, it is clear executive prerogative! On the former, involving the trooper, she should have personally kicked his ass and held a press conference to show the video!

The "change" fantasy is probably over for Obama-Biden, and not soon enough...the double speak is getting old. The proof is in Obama's speech last night. Read it for yourself and try to find how he is going to pay for all his "detailed plans"; you won't find it, cause it is the same bait and switch tactics that Dems have played for years to get votes. I should know...but I won't get into that...

The Dems have become so mechanical about their message to get your vote, they have lost all sincerity; Republican too to a certain extent, but not like the Democrats. That is the point that Gov. Sarah Palin brings to the table that is so salient to the Presidential race and most important to the political process. Sincerity has been missing in Washington from both parties. The public is tired of the greed of both parties.

Despite my difference in some of McCain-Palin policies...It is time for sincerity! It is time for the country to come first! It is time for the truth and the sincerity of Gov. Sarah "Barracuda" Palin in this historic Presidential race!

Posted by: Demopublican | August 30, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

The reality of the perilousness of that choice isn't lost on me. Only the hardest-core repub can defend this choice as wise. To compare Barack's "lack" of experience to hers is laughable. Not that it matters, but does a BA in Journalism from the University of Idaho prepare someone for the task she has before her? Where was Barack educated: Harvard Law. How many former presidents were educated at Harvard? Seven. This may be a Chicken or the Egg observation, but I don't care. When he was teaching Constitutional Law at the 7th ranked law school in America, she was working to fire the library director of Wasilla, Alaska. I believe that Barack knows a thing or two about the way the world works, including something about protecting my rights as an American--and that matters to me.As Time magazine wrote, "Depending on what your leanings are, you could compare his work history — lawyer, state legislator, Washington short-timer, orator — to Abraham Lincoln's." A stretch, perhaps. But you'll hear no one say anything remotely of the sort about Palin. Does it matter? Well, at 72, John McCain is pretty old. He'd be the oldest president ever inaugurated. It's not out of the question that Vegas oddsmakers would put a fair line on her chances of running the show. To me, that's just a bit too risky.
All of this aside, 2008 should be an election of ideas (read: a referendum on the virtual juggernaut-like reality of Red politics over the past 8 years). If it remains as such, we'll see a comfortable victory for Barack in November. Incidentally, Joe Biden was a double-major (History and Poly Sci) from University of Delware, with a JD from Syracuse thrown in for good measure.

Posted by: Sedulus | August 30, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

Palin said her needed experience came from 13 years of holding public office. Over 11 of these years was from less voters than the average high school has for the student counsel.

Posted by: zackdogdog | August 30, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

When fighter pilots go into battle they often have a "Wing Man". The wing man covers their A$$. That is their job. McCain just picked a wing man that is a wing woman. That`s cool, I am glad to see that such an old fart is open minded.

The problem is that McCains choice for VP is not capable of running the country should something unfortunate happen to John McCain. The problem is that John did not pick his wing woman. The party picked her for him. Carl Rove actually called Lieberman and asked him to withdraw. Romney was too much of a cult figure to play well with conservatives. ( Christians see Mormons as members of a cult ) They are.

McCain picked a person that he had only met a few times. He based his decision solely on political calculations of his hack neoconservative advisers.

Obama picked his VP based on one thing. Synergy. Take the time to watch Barack and Joe interact. They can hardly wait to tackle our nations problems and they know each other well. The partisans will hold the line. "She is a great Pick" they will say in public. In private they will lament. "What in the hell is going on ?"

Biden has an established relationship with almost every leader in this world. He has met them and talked to them face to face.

This is a fatal choice. A desperate act , the realization that a hail Mary pass was necessary to win the game. The problem is that the QB cannot throw and the receiver cannot catch. The pilot cannot fly and the wing man does not know which lever will eject.
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Posted by: eSPO | August 30, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

I think all of you whiny, tie-dye t-shirt wearing whiners need to come to the realization that McCain just dealt Osama Bin Bama a sucker punch that he will not be able to recover from. Can you say "four more years."

Posted by: Alaskan Cop | August 30, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

She's hot. She is articulate. Speaks well in front of a camera. Isn't that why all you libs like yObama?

The pic of her shooting the Machine Gun sold me in 3 seconds. Guns -n- Jesus.. What more could you ask for?

Be afraid libs, be very afraid.

Posted by: Hank | August 30, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Eugene: Do us a favor and find out who actually made this pick, please. I was never going to vote for McCain anyway but I am absolutely furious that McCain has such contempt for the American people as to put Palin forward as ready to be President if something happens to him. The vetting was hideous. I'll bet they had no idea she was a Buchanan supporter and that this would go over in the Jewish community like a lead balloon. People, there is something wrong with McCain. He is petty and reckless.

Posted by: Mary | August 30, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Viewing all the comments I find it disenchanting that many Americans have become so partisan in their political views that they will find numerous ways to support either of these tickets for office.

A majority of the skeptics criticizing any of these candidates have made valid points why none of them are really qualified to run this country. The most troubling thing is that that these four are what our wonderfully corrupt system has offered Americans in one of arguably the toughest times in America's history.

I cannot believe more people are not writing and voicing disgust with the entire political process and the mediocre individuals set in front of us to lead.

I am glad I stopped voting a long time ago. Why validate any of this nonsense? The only way I would vote again was if there was a selection for none of the above. Hell, I would try to register twice.

Posted by: pentex | August 30, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

"It's obvious that McCain doesn't care about any of use, he just cares about winning the White House at any cost"...

I could say that it's actually Obama that's the one who made 4 MILLLION last year and McCain 400K, or I could point out how Obama through his non-Oprah liking pastor of 20 years under the bus for his own gain, or even that while Obama criticized Mr. McCain for having a house for all 7 of his children and himself....but this moment is oh so much more than that.

This moment embodies the grit, the perseverance, the service, the loyalty, the commitment, the utter displayed action of change that Mr. John McCain has dedicated to our country.

As have been many examples during this election season, this is a historical moment for America.

Hooray for Freedom! Hooray for Unity! Hooray for leaders who display change with action!! Hooray for McCain and Palin!!!

America will continue to make history, thanks to this election season. For some who serve, it takes 72 years, but when that moment comes, it is monumental!!

Posted by: Nancy | August 30, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

I was somewhat undecided, but leaning toward Obama.

Glad I worked hard on my Master's degree and learned to consider all facts before arriving at a conclusion.

Anyway, my unwavering choice is now Palin! Well, McCain-Palin, of course!

Posted by: Maria Villareal | August 30, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Most are looking at this from a real world perspective….our press operates in something very different. In a real world Obama would never be considered for president because of his lack of experience.

Her lack of experience regardless of quality gives the press something they have to compare Obama to….without her, he would never be compared to anyone Mc Cain picked…….. no matter how qualified.
In her short time in politics she has shown real leadership , Obama has nothing except speeches. Again, when comparing her short but accomplished almost heroic career it takes some of his glitter away.
If you look at the electoral college its going to be close no matter what, if Mc Cain gets some of those angry Hillary women., its got to help.
Obamas attack dog Biden is going to look mean when he attacks her….which ultimately will backfire, especially to the pissed off and cheated Hillary women.
Obamas talking change, she has made REAL change.

Victor Carter

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Scott Andrews
Give us all a break Scott.
Their are 86,400 seconds in a day.
Alaska has 650,000 people.
Since Palin doesn't have enough time in the day to service everyone in our little Belarus country of Alaska......because there aren't enough seconds in the day
..........How do you expect anyone to mathematically believe, any other smuck can pull it off either?

Services are segmented down, by being delegated down the pyramid. All a leader does, is delegate down a pyramid system of people. As long as you have a good Pyramid....you have a functioning system.

Your argument, and the Democrats argument, is a total sham, to mislead the public in general.

Palin knows oil, and oil development, better than any of the Democratic cronies that are in bed with the environmental lobbyists.

She will eat Joe Biden for breakfast if he makes a false statement about energy, or ANWR's development.She is very good at putting any person misleading the public in there place.

This no experince nonsense, is a joke.
Mathematical midgets like yourself believe your own lies.

What does Obama do????Hang out with 49 other pompous idiots who can't get legislation through to drill for oil.

What the heck has he accomplished? Not to much.

Palin has a natural gas pipeline project under her belt.

Obama doesn't know the first thing about a pipeline or oil development.

But those Democrats are going to get us off of foreign oil.

They are the reason we haven't developed our oil in the first place.They block development every chance they get, for their enviromental lobbyist buddies.

Posted by: Steven Wilson | August 30, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

So if I am reading right. All of the women only voted for Hilliary because she was a women. So what I want to know how many of you blacks are only voting for Obama because he is black. If you want to be honest and before you get all huffy. Look in the mirror and tell yourself I am not for him because he is black I would want him there even if he was white. I doubt it. I have seen and heard too many people just say I am supporting him because we are proud that he made it this far. Who cares I want someone who can win this thing and I am proud of him or her because they are going to do what is right for me.

I have seen too many blogs and tv interviews where Obama is getting this and that and no one takes him to task for any of the things he says it is all righteous. If Clinton had a felon that was a cohort in a realty deal they would be all over her like white on rice. Not Obama he can do what ever he likes and can hide all of the things from his past. John Daliy won't open up the library on Obama to show any of the board notes for when he was with Ayers or anything else. The college won't even let anyone see the thesis that Obama wife wrote until after the election. Some of the things I read makes her sound like a racist herself.

I supported Clinton I think she would have made a great president but somehow her voice got lost with all the news channels, the papers everyone seems to be all lost in the hopes and dreams of Obama. Scares me it is almost like a cult. You know like Jim Jones.

I watched the speech today for Palin and you know what she moved me I liked what she had to say. This will only be the second time in my life that I will vote Republican I am not happy about it but Obama scares me. I don't think he has a clue.

Posted by: oh boy | August 30, 2008 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Most are looking at this from a real world perspective….our press operates in something very different. In a real world Obama would never be considered for president because of his lack of experience.

Her lack of experience regardless of quality gives the press something they have to compare Obama to….without her, he would never be compared to anyone Mc Cain picked…….. no matter how qualified.
In her short time in politics she has shown real leadership , Obama has nothing except speeches. Again, when comparing her short but accomplished almost heroic career it takes some of his glitter away.
If you look at the electoral college its going to be close no matter what, if Mc Cain gets some of those angry Hillary women., its got to help.
Obamas attack dog Biden is going to look mean when he attacks her….which ultimately will backfire, especially to the pissed off and cheated Hillary women.
Obamas talking change, she has made REAL change.

Victor Carter

Posted by: Vic | August 30, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

"Is Ideology and beauty alone sufficient qualification for becoming a (Vice) President?"

Apparently so. The Democrats did nominate Obama, after all.

Posted by: Steven S. Smith | August 30, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

I was some what undecided, but leaning toward Obama.

Glad I worked hard on my Master's degree and learned to consider all facts before arriving at a conclusion.

Anyway, my unwavering choice is now Palin! Well, McCain-Palin, of course!

Posted by: Maria Villareal | August 30, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

I am sorry but I cannot fathom a person that has never traveled outside of the United States to be second in line for COMMANDER IN CHIEF of the Most Powerful Country in the world.

HAVE WE LOST OUR MINDS?! - this isn't about Dems, or Reps! this isn't about pride! or VOTES! or CELEBRITY!... I am a single mother who went from having a spectacularly-paid job, home, car and bank account; to UNEMPLOYED, UN-INSURED, IN-DEBT and struggling! I don't get a tax break, I can't find a decent job, I don't qualify for unemployment or food stamps, or even health care for my six year old, and I'm two months behind in small apartment's rent! $80 to fill up my CAR?!

I have been outside of this country many, many times... Never commited a crime, made all responsible decisions. I have a college degree and have done countless hours of community service. AND I AM HOT!
MAKE ME VP!

Posted by: GIGI | August 30, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Wow the folks that are touting her experience is greater than Obamas forget that he has led a campaign that has earned over 18 million votes and raised over 250 Million to date if that is not running one hell of an organization what is it right wing kooks? The Obama nation has already defeated a much more capable an experienced woman thatn this one and adding her to Grumpy does not equal three it is subraction by addition not the other way around. I am among the proud female supporters of Barack Obama who knows our nation needs to throw out the bums Rove, Schmidt, Palin, Cheney, W. Bush, Mc Cain, Lieberman, Craig. the Republicans owe our ountry an apology for hte mess they have gotten us into. Greatest deficits, war for lies, no support for the Gi bill and our nations veterans, energy prices, no health care, torture, and the hits just keep on coming luckily for only four more months not years. OBAMA BIDEN NO MC MORE OF THE SAME.

Posted by: Lisa Davisson toledo | August 30, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Again while the judgement of McCain's mind is in question, he makes a radical break from reality with his choice of veep. While
Palin is being investigated for abuse of power, McCain would like this lady of little experience at his side next to the RED BUTTON. If America cannot see that this in itself is the most selfish ploy for power,than we most certainly deserve the biggest train wreck in the annals of American history. A ringside seat to Armegeddon. It's overwhelmingly clear now he listens to no one. At 72 he does not bring a solid veep to govern responsibly and fill his shoes when mentally or physically not present. How much proof does America require? He does not care about you! Do you get it yet? Usually an abuse of power investigation comes during a presidential term. This one is prepackaged as test of America's stupidity. All of Hillary's 18 million are to flock to the McCain/Palin camp now.Just how stupid are you? It must be reasuring to actually believe the doctor when he says your fine,as he's giving you a prostate checkup with both hands on your shoulder. America, You Have a chance with Obama/Biden Please don't blow it.

Posted by: Lou | August 30, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

i am have had issues accepting either candidate. but to say that a mid forties governor and former mayor of a town of 9000 could be the president is just ridiculous. Presidents, regardless of age, can and do die in office. Anyone voting for McCain should think long and hard about the possibility of that. There are literally thousands of people in this country that have been the mayor of a town of 9000 or so and have good values. Should they get consideration as well?

Posted by: mkdem | August 30, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

What is the big fuss about Palin? Obama chose Biden because he lacks something and Biden can help him. That was a good pick. Very logical and very smart. We don't have to attack Biden. He will be a good public servant. Same goes to Palin pick. McCain wants someone to give him some fresh perspectives, energy and to fight with him when he was often fighting alone against his own party (that is courage Obama cannot match). He wants an outsider who has local and state experiences. It is logical and smart. Can't we just all see the good side of their picks? I think either pair is well qualified to lead. On the other hand, I do not believe Obama and Hillary will make a good team even if they won. The chemistry is not right, the perspective is not right, their background is very different. It would just be to team up to win. It is not in our nation's interest. I am a McCain supporter, but I highly respect Obama's wisdom not to choose Hillary. He knows that he cannot govern with Hillary and Bill as his super VPs. All his visions for change would all go down the drain. McCain said that he rather lose the presidency than losing the war. What Obama did by not choosing Hillary is: He rather lose the presidency than losing the chance to change the nation. Now, that is admirable. He would be a fine president if he is elected.

Posted by: indi | August 30, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Obama's no socialist, he's just another blue tie. If you want real change, vote for Brian Moore and the Socialist Party. That's what I'm going to do. Neither of these liars (Obomba, Cain) and their sycophantic followers have any integrity, they just want to keep things they way they always have been. It's sort of like the old "Tastes Great!" versus "Less Filling!" commercials. It's a Potemkin debate. You can't trust them or believe them, so you can't really debate their positions anyway. What they say - either of them - is worthless. Maybe we need something besides a republic.

Posted by: Marc | August 30, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

I read these comments from people who think Palin a good choice and fear for both my party and my country.

I'm female, I'm registered as a Republican. And my reaction to McCain's choice is, "Is he that stupid? Or does he think I am?"

He just lost my vote.

Posted by: Shocked Repub | August 30, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

I find it very amusing for liberals to quickly dismiss Palin for her "lack of experience", yet quick to vote for a man who has been charged with the same accusation.

The lack of experience shouldn't be reflected in that she was a former Mayor of a small town ... how large was the city Obama was the Mayor of? Oh yeah, that's right! He never was a Mayor!

Biden has his own issues to face, like that fact that he was quoted praising McCain and saying, “John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend, and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off, be well off no matter who...” (Daily Show).

&

“I’ve been calling for more troops for over two years, along with John McCain and others subsequent to my saying that.” (Meet the press).

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

As a neighbor from the north I see that the Democrats & Republicans are doing nothing but playing an orchestrated political game one against the other at the expense of the U.S. Citizens. This Mr. McCain is one scary customer and if he should ever get elected the United State citizens may as well kiss all of their remaining freedoms good-bye. He will continue to carry the Bush "war on terror mantra" which will continue only to further violate the U.S. constitution and we had all better run for the hills because of his stand on Iran. Choosing Mrs. Sarah Palin is a miscalculation on his part and the Republican strategy. It is going down which speaks nothing against this lady who we know little of.

Posted by: Jonah | August 30, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

So what I read from all of these whining no-sense Dems on this site is that most don't like women and probably wouldn't want to see one with some power. They enjoy disgracing the military and would rather take the side of a woman beater. I see they also like to discriminate against the elderly and have nothing relevant to say. By the way, the Dems said the same thing about how old Reagan was in 1979. Fooled those Dems too! He not only served as President for 8 years but lived over 25 more.

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

I can see the VP debate now. Joe Biden will say to Palin:

"Governor, I've served with Hillary Clinton. I know Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton is a friend of mine. Governor, you are no Hillary Clinton."

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

A previous poster asks: Has anyone here actually changed their vote because of McCain's choice of Palin?

Yes! A dual prolife ticket will affect many Catholic voters who otherwise would vote a Dem ticket. Now, faithful Catholics have a true good choice, not just a least worst choice.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

I personally find it an purely politically motivated pick - solely to attract 'disaffected' female voters. It's as though McCain assumes women will vote for whoever will put a woman in the highest office, irregardless of her qualifications or beliefs.

Posted by: Kathy | August 30, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

It's amazing that all the arguments about Palin's inexperience being voiced here hold the same for the Obama...and he is running for President. How can anyone who criticizes this choice actually vote for Obama? He has spent 144 days in the Senate, all of which running for the Presidency. While Palin has been governor of a state for 2 years. Senators do not run anything. They do not balance budgets, make emergencies decisions or manage anything. Governors do and is the reason they are frequently elected president. This presidential run is actually historic in that two senators are running for the presidency.

As for inexperience, why does anyone think Obama picked Biden? Because he needed to bolster his credentials because he has none. ZIP. Biden has been in Congress longer than McCain. He is not an agent of change. He has essentially the opposite voting record of any Republican Senator. In fact, the only true agent of change in this election is McCain. He crossed party lines many times to his own detriment...immigration, the surge, McCain/Feingold...and others. These have been largely unpopular with his party and hence their reluctance to truly embrace him. The only times Obama voted, he voted extreme left. The little record he has shows no signs of reaching across party lines to make things work out. He is just blowing proverbial smoke to get elected. Once elected he will become the next Jimmy Carter, potentially.

And by the way Deep Blue, you did not mention any Democrats in your post about education...Carter was one of our worst presidents...absolutely ineffective in every conceivable way domestically and internationally. And he continues to be an idiot in the internationally arena. He ratified the election of Hugo Chavez much to the consternation of most that country and the rest of Latin America. God job peanut farmer. As for Clinton: I challenge you to name 3 policies he implemented that were his own ideas that changed education. And don't say computers for all kids..that was Newt Gingrich. I agree other countries are catching up in education and this should concern all Americans.

Posted by: Blissfully Ignorant | August 30, 2008 1:52 AM | Report abuse

I was shocked by this pick. Just when I was losing confidence in the old Mccain that I liked so much, he's back. In my opinion the most important thing Mccain and Palin share is their conviction to accountable, responsible and honest governance - without thought of political consequences. On the other hand, you have Obama, who we have seen will do and say anything for political advancement. Just look at the promises he made in his convention speech (make note and see exactly how many he keeps if elected) and the literally indefensable untruths he rattled off at the opposition. It was so brazen. He reminds me of a televangelist with his slick, carefully designed accent and the cult of personality that has formed around him. If Obama is elected, we'll see tax hikes to fund a pork and social program deluge and the biggest, most ineffective government in history. If Mccain is elected I am now confident we'll see real change in a government that is bloated with waste and devoid of accountability - and Bush is a major part of it.

Posted by: Perrin | August 30, 2008 1:52 AM | Report abuse

The state trooper (Wooten) was far from honorable -- he TASERed his own step-son, an 11 year old!

Clearly the guy deserved to be fired, for doing that. The fact that the step-son was Palin's nephew is besides the point. His rights have to be protected, and hence the state trooper had to go.

Now, is this a good choice? I doubt it. She's pro-life, which I appreciate, but she literally didn't know the duties of the VP when asked. (President of the Senate, break any ties there, and be available to take over in case POTUS is incapacitated, dead or removed from office.) Not a good sign.

Posted by: DP | August 30, 2008 1:53 AM | Report abuse

Please think of something more creative to say than "McCain is another George Bush", and if you do say that, please have substantail eveidence, not hearsay, to back it up. Thank you!

Posted by: TT | August 30, 2008 1:53 AM | Report abuse

We're all Americans, democrat or republican.
Destroy Palin and you're destroying Obama.
Destroy Biden and you're knifing McCain, in a way.
Say you don't want the same ole politics?

Look for action. For some this means a life-long action, for some it may be just the action of today.

America, you are loved, once again. You are worthy of all to which you have contributed so much blood, sweat, and tears.

Unite People. We are Americans. Don't tread on us.

Posted by: Lyle | August 30, 2008 1:53 AM | Report abuse


This reminds me of Bush's pick of Harriet Miers for the supreme court........He should have waited to see if he got elected and then made her Sec. of State or maybe Treasury Sec........
Desperate people do desperate things......but this is absolutely nuts

Posted by: billy | August 30, 2008 1:53 AM | Report abuse

mkdem,
If you believe what you are saying, then you must believe that Obama is not qualified?
To use your own words: "...to say that a mid forties Senator and former attorney of a small law firm could be the president is just ridiculous." You get my point.

Posted by: indi | August 30, 2008 1:54 AM | Report abuse

What makes everyone think that W is qualified commander-in chief? From a military point of view, so far he's got us successfully in the deep s..t in Iraq. As far as I am concerned, no one of those guys who were or are in the Oval Office graduated from West Point or Annapolis. That's why they have a bunch of advisers on the payroll, whether good or bad. I agree with Chuck Cardiff: When and where did Obama managed to pass the Commander-In Chief qualification exam? And finally: McCain is not the best candidate for White House either, but by picking Sarah, he really stuck it to Obama: all those feminist activists from NOW and soccer moms are more likely to vote for female Veep....

Posted by: Nemo | August 30, 2008 1:54 AM | Report abuse

"The problem is that McCains choice for VP is not capable of running the country should something unfortunate happen to John McCain."

And the problem is the Democrats' choice for President is not capable of running the country, period.

It's a hell of a lot more likely that McCain will live four years than Obama will magically have more than two years' experience in the Senate appear on his resume. (And, yes, I mean two years. The last two years of running around the country campaigning aren't experience in the Senate, even if he occasionally dropped in to cast a vote and cashed a paycheck.)

Posted by: Steven S. Smith | August 30, 2008 1:54 AM | Report abuse

Jonah - This American do not care about what you Canadians have to say. Obama wants to abolish the Second Ammendment to our Constitution. That is only one of the rights he wants to take away. By the way, how do you enjoy your socialized medicine up there? I heard it was wonderful!!! NOT

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 1:55 AM | Report abuse

Anonymous
You clowns whine about cluster bombs...Abu Graib....War dead.....blah blah blah

When we bring up the 6 million children you murder in the same period of time during you cry for thr war dead saga.......you go crying about cluster bombs and saying we would kill the 6 million children to to justify your crimes.

You Democarts are all a bunch of whining hypocrites.

You have killed 45 million children since the last war you whined and moaned about finished.

I remember the baby killer crap you foisted on Vietnam veterans.

Then the war ended in 1973....abortion was voted in....and you proceeded to kill 45 million babies.

So shut up about the war already.

You have killed enough babies to have 45 nuclear conflicts.

Posted by: Steven Wilson | August 30, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse

News flash: McCain only met Palin in person ONCE before and spoke to her on the phone once after to offer her the nomination.
Her answer: "Really? Vice President? What will I have to do as Vice President?" She has the executive experience equivalent to the cleaning lady.
This is kind of stupid, cynical decision-making based on political expediency rather than what's best for the country is why we're in the mess we're in.
McCain/Palin vs. Obama/Biden?
If you even have to think about it, stay home and leave the voting to those of us with an IQ higher than a busted sofa.

Posted by: johnnyboy | August 30, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse

I know Abraham Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln is an ancestor of mine.

Barack Obama is no Abraham Lincoln.

Posted by: Steve | August 30, 2008 1:58 AM | Report abuse

McCain has gotten his wish. Less than 24 hours since Obama made his historic acceptance speech, and everyone's talking about his VP pick.

Am I too much of a cynic to think that was his plan? Would we be talking about Romney or Pawlenty today? Of course not. If true, that means he thought exactly zero percent about whether his choice was qualified to be president, which she obviously is not. He just cared that she might, might, might, steal a few headlines for a while and maybe, maybe, maybe steal a few votes in November. That makes McCain even more cynical than I am.

A lot of people posting here would obviously rather jump off a cliff than vote Democrat. What they don't seem to realize - or choose to ignore - is that by voting for McCain, they ARE jumping off a cliff.

Don't know about you, but I'm voting for the commie-socialist-muslim-elitist-uppity anti-christ. (Did I miss anything?)

Posted by: LOL - Palin? Really? | August 30, 2008 1:58 AM | Report abuse

Fellow christians,
There are over 3000 verses in the bible on poverty. All of which seem to be ignored by republican leaders. They polarize, marginalize, and have abused my trust. I can vote for them no longer.

Posted by: Annoymous | August 30, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

Johnyboy, did you hear that conversation off of MTV. An IQ of 60 is not high so don't think you are so smart.

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 2:01 AM | Report abuse

All this babling about experience....

Yea, look at the president's of the past 30 years. Plenty of experience and we're still FUBAR.

I'd like to see Warren Buffet run the country....or my plumber for that matter. Beats the crap out of power hungry money mongers we've been electing.

Posted by: Heywouldja | August 30, 2008 2:01 AM | Report abuse

"(Did I miss anything?)"

Yep. The bit where you showed any reason to believe that the Democratic party thought more than zero percent about whether its Presidential nominee was qualified to be president.

Here's a hint; if executive experience were wind, Obama couldn't blow a feather.

Posted by: Steven S. Smith | August 30, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

Steven Wilson - you seriously need to see a shrink, bubba.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

Steven S. Smith - you seriously need to see a shrink, bubba.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 2:03 AM | Report abuse

Who in the hell named this woman a beauty queen? A pretty woman in Alaska is a tourist not a local. Miss congeniality in a contest with what six eskimo women and her? Mc Cain can roll dice in Vegas but not with my country. I am already upset beyond belief because he turned his back on our troops coming home from iraq and Afghanistan and lined up with George W. against the GI Bill. No fear manufactured or otherwise on the Obama team. He got the word out to 38 million last night and Mc Cains insulting women today wins him a news cycle that is it. Grumpy is toast because to many Americans are on to Rove, Schmidt and the lies that got us George W. if you are better off now than eight years ago line right on up with the geezer and his airhead neocon beaut. YES WE CAN take back America and there wont be enough moral majority hypocrites to stop the millions on the move for Obama now..

Posted by: Col Tom Davis 101st Airborne | August 30, 2008 2:03 AM | Report abuse

since when is intelligence a bad quality in a president? OBAMA 08

Posted by: okjoe | August 30, 2008 2:03 AM | Report abuse

Maria Villareal - I am sorry you wasted my tax dollars for 6 years of your college and you still didn't learn anything.

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 2:05 AM | Report abuse

Obama/Hillary ticket would have been unbeatable, yes. However it would have been politics we no longer want: picking somebody for the sake of winning. We want a president who make his choice based on his heart, and on how that person help him do his job, not on how that person help him win. Same old stuff going on.

Posted by: ItalianJob | August 30, 2008 2:06 AM | Report abuse

the choice of Palin is a game changer. McCain's stolen the thunder from Obamia's Nuremburg rally in Denver. Watching the TV last night I thought I was watching Line Riefenstahl’s Triumph of the Wills. I was ill just watching the spectacle. All the Democrats needed to seal the deal was the search-lights aimed at the stars. Today McCain knocked that right off the air with this announcement. The 2008 Election has just gotten more interesting. Back in May on a visit to co-workers in India I suggested that McCain needed to pick a woman as running mate to blunt Obamia. They laughed politely and said neither candidate would take that risk. I'm glad that McCain chose to take that risk.

Posted by: flar | August 30, 2008 2:06 AM | Report abuse

"since when is intelligence a bad quality in a president?"

It's not a bad quality, problem is you can't find one with any intelligence. They're puppets playing out someone else's agenda (oild cos., pharmacueticals and insurance cos.).

Wake the hell up people.

Posted by: heywouldya | August 30, 2008 2:07 AM | Report abuse

GIGI @ 1:45am:

You obviously have no clue...copy the following link and watch very closely at the 3 min mark.

You will see the Commander-in-Chief of the Alaska National Guard, Gov. Sarah Palin, visiting her troops in Iraq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wms2As61MYU&feature=related

You can see further pictures of her visiting wounded troops in Germany on the Alaska National guard web site...Google it!

Also, at the end of the video link that I posted, be sure to listen to the double speak from the Dems candidate.

Posted by: Demopublican | August 30, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

okjoe - I noticed you couldn't put Obama and intelligence in the same sentence. Is was hard for me to do too!

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 2:09 AM | Report abuse

This was A BOLD step in McCain's goal to reform the country's out-of-control pork spending.

The country's leaders are not limited to the Washington set.

McCain took a sweep and found a star performer in the Governor's circles: a reformer who never stopped to craft a phrase (Yes We Can), or adopt a motto (Change). She just DID it.

With a most unusual pedigree, Palin has done what voters in this country want a leader to DO.

As a democrat, I was sinking amid the party's packaging of a mediocre candidate with Hollywood fanfare. I could not muster a warm fuzzy feeling that it was real.

McCain was right, it's not about taxes, it's foolish spending. He has been beating this drum for a long time.

Perhaps we should pay attention.
Else, we will all be crying our 'eyelashes off'.

Posted by: benjamin | August 30, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

McCain just picked a VP that he's met ONE TIME! He tells you that you'll love her if you get to know her, but he doesn't even know her! HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HER, BUT HE'S WILLING TO PUT YOUR LIFE IN HER HANDS! Doesn't that concern you at all? I don't care how any of you right-wingers spin it, it would be absolutely laughable, if it wasn't so reckless. The job of VP is to be prepared to step in at a moment's notice, it's not an internship. The pick is insulting to Hillary supporters, so the only net gain on behalf of the Republicans is that they get to fake enthusiasm to fire up the base. The ones already in the tank are acting hyped, but they were going to vote for him anyway. Seriously, I have to believe that James Dobson would act supportive if McCain picked a steak sandwich as his running mate. C'mon, we're at a serious time here, and she's the most qualified person available? The whole thing is a jealous gut reaction the the amazing enthusiasm of the Obama phenomenon. You 30%ers are about to see the truth, as McCain overshot the runway with this one.

Posted by: bartonizer | August 30, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

Maggie wrote:

"Gene, I think it was downright nasty of MSNBC to stick you and Olberman and Matthews and Maddow, et al, outside at that strange site. You deserved to be inside with Brokaw and Williams to witness history being made."

Maggie, this is because they only let the professionals inside the "big house".

For all the others posting such inane stuff about Governor Palin, if Senators Obama and Biden are going to run away with things as you all seem to think, what the heck are you all so afraid of? Why waste so much time commiserating with each other and trying to tear her down?

BTW, Governor Palin runs a State that borders 2 foreign countries. They have lots of frequent interaction with both and on many levels so saying she has no experience at such things is just not accurate. (Alaska also is physically over 266 times the size of Delaware and is one-fifth the size of the rest of the country. Not that that really means anything here but I find it an interesting comparison.)

Posted by: DJ in Denver | August 30, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

Hey Lou (August 30, 2008 1:48 AM), you think Obama is going to be good at managing the RED BUTTON you are so concerned about?

What's Obama going to do after the Israelis start dropping bombs on Iranian nuke sites? Call Ahmadinejad up and wring his hands while he apologizes?

I'm quite certain how a McCain-Palin administration will handle it.

And it is going to happen.

Posted by: JFK | August 30, 2008 2:11 AM | Report abuse

Anonymous
You clowns need the shrink.
You are the ones knocking off 45 million children then incessantly whining about 4000 military deaths.

You democrats are the biggest bunch of hypocrites that the world has ever witnessed.

Windbags for peace....as long as we don't bring up your little war against the children with no rights...protection...or armour.

Wasn't that another one of your lame arguments.....how we weren't uparmouring our troops properly?

How about doing the same for children.

Posted by: Steven Wilson | August 30, 2008 2:11 AM | Report abuse

You know, anonymous, I must have missed the part of the Bible where Moses or Jesus said, "Order your atheist neighbor to give his money to the poor, and if he doesn't, have the police put him in jail."

However, as an atheist, I'll accept that that's a reasonable interpretation of the Bible. I am interested in why you think you have the right to impose your religious beliefs about poverty on me, though.

Posted by: Steven S. Smith | August 30, 2008 2:12 AM | Report abuse

I am appaled at all the Women out there who are calling this a "slap in the face." IT IS NOT. The Democrats snubed us, so the Republicans came to the rescue. McCain has proven to be a dashing Officer & a Gentelman (show me a woman who doesn't like that), he has come to rescue me. I want to vote for a qualified Woman this time around, & now I can. Not all women are pro-choice, but certainly all women who have children or love children will see a reflection in Mrs Palin, who like me is a working mom. Way to go. A Beautiful woman who is smart, & sexy and a mother of FIVE and a Governour to boot. How the hell is this a slap in the face?

Posted by: Siri | August 30, 2008 2:12 AM | Report abuse

It sure is fun to read all the scared sh..less remarks here by the libral wackos! You all got your panties in a bunch! Way to go McCain. If nothing else ever comes of this, which I'm praying it does, today was worth it all!

Posted by: gina | August 30, 2008 2:12 AM | Report abuse

I am the meiser of really effective Obama bashing comments.

I hereby resign this position, as it is no longer necessary.

Mr. John McCain, the experienced service member, has shown me today the difference between promised change and change in action.

I am now happy as a clam, because during this presidential election season, I have been fortunate enough to see history in the making.

Way to go America!!! We are FREE!! We are Loyal!! And with our actions, we are the bright future of the world!!!

Posted by: Kevin | August 30, 2008 2:12 AM | Report abuse

I am a lifelong Republican who has seen my party hijacked by a group of robbers and special interest groups.

I'm not enthusiastic about Obama either, but I'll vote for him because my party needs to die first before it can resurrect itself as the party it used to be.

Posted by: Hal98 | August 30, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

For you Obama supporters..... do your research on the state of Illinois. You'll find it in shambles and utterly corrupt. The place here is a mess. And you want the whole country to follow that lead. A lead to more taxes and government control and pork spending with nothing in return except a higher tax bill and more government intrusion. It's so bad here that the Democrats can't even agree on how to waste the money. I think I just heard today that Chicago now has the highest tax rate in the USA. Higher taxes for all, then vote Obama.

Posted by: Steve-o | August 30, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

YYYEEAP! Just what you'd expect from an overrated vet who GRADUATED AT THE BOTTOM OF HIS CLASS: STUPID.

MCSURGE
"Oh! Hey! I know! Let's put a chick on the ticket and grab all the Hillary votes!!"

Yeah, John... it's that easy.

Just a preview of the kind of half-baked, absent-minded logic John McCain would bring to the White House.

It is truly MALPRACTICE.

Posted by: ken benobi | August 30, 2008 2:14 AM | Report abuse

Experience the great question? I will vote for the guy who put together an team that raised over 250 million with a name like Barack Obama even though he is half black in todays America. Want to see leadership skills in action the man and his team took down the Clinton machine which had a far superior woman on it than the Alaskan right wing airhead,a brand name and the big buck contributors. Clinton had real world and White House gravitas and still lost to the squad that Obama oversees on a daily basis. Obama also made a much more respectable pick with his first big decision while Mc Cain insulted me and the vast majority of my fellow women with an obvious pander ploy. This lady will pull the lever that says Obama on it and pray that he surrounds himself with more talent like the ones he hired to run his campaign. OBAM BIDEN now an even easier choice. Thanks to the posters who brought up the GI Bill since my son just returned from Tikrit and needs the college education.

Posted by: Trish Hadley | August 30, 2008 2:14 AM | Report abuse

Anonymous

Striking out for cats rights
Striking out for dogs rights
Striking out for bugs rights
Striking out for a tree's rights
Saving the whale
Saving a soldier
Saving a terrorist
Knocking off you kid in an abortion clinic and making up an excuse to rationalize the murder.

That's your party in a nutshell.

Posted by: Steven Wilson | August 30, 2008 2:15 AM | Report abuse

I have to admit I don't get it. I really don't. My mind boggles at this choice. Palin is an utterly incomprehensible choice to me. All I can see is that she is a die hard republican and a woman. What else has she got going for her? Seriously... what? She has no experience. Less than two years in Alaska. Alaska! And she's the best choice for VP? After meeting her twice? I am speechless. Maybe McCain doesn't understand the odds against him. And I'm not talking political odds. I know the hospital he had his last cancer diagnosis done at and I know the senior staff there. Statistically speaking McCain is going to die in two years from his cancer. I'm not making this up. I'm not pulling this out of nowhere. Statistically and medically speaking he has two years. Tops. And then someone with no experience is going to somehow step in and protect my family from the threat of middle eastern terrorism. No. I don't get it. McCain just told me that he doesn't care if we live or die. For some sort of gain that is impossible for me to see. Why would she sell me on the ticket? Because she's a woman? If I would have just voted for any woman because she was a woman I would have voted for Hillary. Frankly, at this point, Hillary strikes me as a better candidate than McCain and I never once considered voting for her in the entire time she was running for president. The die-hard republican aspect also doesn't encourage me. Both of these candidates have said they are going to remove partisanship gridlock. Sorry. I don't see it. A republican die hard just means more gridlock to me. A moderate republican would be fine. But her? Nope. McCain actually did just tell me there is going to be four more years of the same stupid bickering instead of maybe having something happen in Washington that might help my family. I'm sorry McCain just lost any possibility of getting my vote. I would rather vote for just about anybody else. I cannot fathom this decision. I just don't get it.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 2:17 AM | Report abuse

McCain should have taken a clue from the frightened, neurotic, cry-baby mess of a response that rookie Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco had to Hurricane Katrina. She was a novice at big time emergency management. She couldn't keep track of the the developments, she lost track of the money and she got a lot of people killed. This Palin chickadee is less tried and tested than Mrs. Blanco. God, a man will do anything, even this almost treasonous act, to put his slippers under the bed a 1600 Pennsyvania Avenue. Is he going to make Will Smith Secretary of State and Swartzenegger Secretary of Inter-Galactic Steroid Wars?

Posted by: Dana Bourgeois | August 30, 2008 2:20 AM | Report abuse

Shocked Repub, you must be jealous of her beauty may I say? What is wrong with Palin? You did not say. Are you just like a lot of stupid men who think a woman must be stupid if she is beautiful? Many said she is beautiful. That is her asset, like a man being handsome. No one is trashing a handsome man. So why many here are trashing her as a nice looking woman, especially from a woman like you. Go and vote for Obama. We do not want your vote!

Posted by: indi | August 30, 2008 2:22 AM | Report abuse

You can't knock Mc's theory that this will result in sweeping the women to his cause. It makes sense. Or does it. I think his motives will be found suspect and the end result may be less than he plans. The mistake is that he assumes that women are not too sharp and will flow like sheep to him. WRONG. Most gals are brighter than guys in a lot of respects and he is about to find that out. Bad plan. Bad judgement. I feel for her as she is a victim of the dirty political system. A pawn. She'll see when the bright lights dim. But then her skirts are not that clean either. She may have her day in court too and may very well be playing the game. Hmmmm!

Posted by: Jack Languille | August 30, 2008 2:24 AM | Report abuse

"Obama has more executive experience just from running his presidential campaign than Palin has from governing Alaska."

Posted by: m

Thank you! Despite the attacks he has no experience, no one can deny the man was able to transform a rousing speech only four years ago into a RECORD sum of money from people that believe in him, using current technology (the internet), and rally 18 MILLION Americans (not Germans, French, English, etc) to give him an opportunity to lead their nation into a new place in this world.

Gov. Palin may have the potential to someday move beyond Alaskan (Pop ~670000) politics, and I applaud that. I would love to see a Republican that really is fiscally conservative and for cutting BS, self-interest spending. But please understand if I don't hold my breath.

At the end of the day, 18 million said give Obama a chance. Narrow as it may be, he trumped the Clinton machine.

Sarah Palin has one vote. It comes from a rich white man who divorced Trophy Wife #1 (swimsuit model) after a crippling accident, and married into beer money with Trophy Wife #2. You gotta love conservative morals.

By the way, one of the latest American CITIES to top the population of the entire state of Alaska is Fort Worth at 700000 in July 08.

On the other hand, the Chicago population as of 2006: 2.8 million. Only slightly above 7 times that of Alaska, stuffed in a slightly smaller mass of land.

And just for fun: http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/08/governor-of-ala.html

Posted by: ss in la | August 30, 2008 2:24 AM | Report abuse

Hey Dana Bourgeois...."chickadee"?

You may not be a man, but you are certainly sound like a mysogynist nonetheless...

Posted by: Jeeves | August 30, 2008 2:29 AM | Report abuse

Steve, Great post about Lincoln! Bravo!! Whomever mentioned Bible, don't bring God to this earthy, unimportant debate.

Posted by: indi | August 30, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

LOL you missed SNOB!

AND NO, PALIN = OBAMA
AND NO, PALIN = HILLARY

NO NO NO NO.

Anyone here concerned that the possible second in line FOR COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF OUR COUNTRY has FIVE children? I mean, as a woman I think it is WONDERFUL that a mother of five who is married to a man who never finished college becomes governor of a state... THAT IS EXTRAORDINARY! but THIS IS OUR COUNTRY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT?

I'm going to bed, and maybe when I wake up tomorrow this will all just be a bad dream. Maybe I'll get a call from the MaCain Campaing...

Posted by: GIGI | August 30, 2008 2:31 AM | Report abuse

To ss in la:

Fools and their money are soon parted...just like the taxpayers in Chicago have learned. Read on:

Senator Barack Obama’s messages about his tax plan’s fairness and support of working families is anything but when his Illinois General Assembly record is closely examined, said Americans for Prosperity-Illinois Director Joe Calomino in a statement today:

“By taking aim at businesses with tax hikes, removing tax incentives for research, and keeping Illinois companies from taking advantage of the federal depreciation schedule in the tax code, Sen. Obama’s votes hurt employees far more than employers. Such dangerous policies would have pulled money directly out of the pockets he now claims to respect – those of the working families in Illinois. Sen. Obama does not seem to understand that businesses don’t pay taxes, they only collect them. The hard-working people of Illinois are the ones who are truly on the hook for the costs of the tax hikes Sen. Obama supported in the General Assembly, whether through lost jobs, reduced pay, or higher consumer prices.

“In 2003, Sen. Obama voted to raise the sales taxes on consumers by $59 million dollars, reinstate the state death tax that would have given grieving families a $45 million bill for new taxes, and force family farmers to shoulder $74 million in new higher taxes.

“He didn’t stop there. Sen. Obama also sought to tax life insurance so many families rely on in Illinois in an attempt to raise $9 million for the state. Not even bankruptcy cases were sacred, as he hoped to get an additional $4 million by taxing them at a time when people and small businesses need the most possible help. Sen. Obama wanted to go so far as to strip the rights of business owners to appeal unfair property tax valuations.

“By encouraging such anti-business tax policies in Chicago and Illinois while serving in the state legislature, Sen. Obama made neighboring cities and states more attractive to employers and employees who could benefit from higher wages. If Sen. Obama is serious about helping working families, renouncing his tax hike record would be the first step in making a real difference.”

Posted by: Jarvis Jr. | August 30, 2008 2:35 AM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin has a list of accomplishments - and impressive, against-the-odds accomplishments at that. Calling her inexperienced really drives home Obama's inexperience. She is a remarkable woman.

Posted by: JM | August 30, 2008 2:36 AM | Report abuse

I have a $100, I mean $45 dollars (forgot about all of those Democrat socialist taxes I have to pay)say that Shocked Repub was never a Republican. She probably is not even a woman. Shame on her, it, what ever!!!

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 2:38 AM | Report abuse

Siri,
Great post. I don't understand why so many of the Democrats are so offensive of Palin. What did she do wrong? Just because she is beautiful? The left wingers here are making fun of her being a woman and being beautiful. This is despicable.

Posted by: Indi | August 30, 2008 2:40 AM | Report abuse

To state that Sen. McCain's pick is pandering to female Hillary supporters is of course not a cogent argument.

As Governor of Alaska Gov. Palin has more executive experience than BHO has currently. And in fact, as shown by public record, BHO's service in the Senate has been paper thin.

Gov. Palin is a card carrying member of the NRA, while Biden wants to take everyone's guns away. Let's see, 10 million NRA members in this country. These people alone will make sure that Biden/Obama are beaten like a drum in November.

Score one for real leadership with honest to God substance and moral character. Palin lives her pro-life stance, and no matter what side of the fence you are on with regard to this issue, you cannot disrespect her commitment to her beliefs.

Sen. McCain served his country honorably, and whether you liberals like it or not, his years in a POW prison has prepared him to lead a nation. Before you howl and bleet, reference Nelson Mandela's life experience.

Really, boys and girls, there is only one real choice in November. Substance over form, real leadership and solid experience over intellectual posits and real life flesh and blood experience over what amounts to little more than smoke and mirrors, ghosts and spooks.

Posted by: midgardserpent | August 30, 2008 2:43 AM | Report abuse

I'm an Obama supporter. To the Obama supporters ragging on Sarah, stop being so stupid about it. Some of the things you say show you know nothing about her, so what makes you feel qualified to talk on the matter?

From what I've seen and read, she's a very intelligent and charming lady, and she does seem to have good ethics and political talent. She's not just some dumb beauty queen and she doesn't have to be for this to be a huge mistake.

She has never once been outside of the US and Canada. She has a fundamentalist ideology. She's a bad choice in the current time of wide-spread global tension. She doesn't have the perspective to be president yet.

I think it will be a shame because this will damage what should be a bright political future for her. They've brought out their best single A pitcher to throw in the World Series. Yes, she's very talented, and thanks for throwing the game.
She would have been formidable in 4-8 years with some token international travel thrown in. Now she risks becoming infamous.

A similar inexperience can be argued for Obama. And one could argue back that he has been running the quarter billion dollar corporation that is his campaign for as long as she's been governor. But that misses the point. Experience isn't everything. Obama has a vision for the future and an understanding of the world beyond our borders. He worked for and earned 18 million votes in a primary. He has laid his judgment, temperament, values, intelligence, open-mindedness, leadership, and inspirational abilities in the open for us to judge and has inspired millions to join his cause. He knows why he's here. Ms Palin doesn't know what a VP does nor why she was chosen. It's a big difference.

Posted by: Doug Christian | August 30, 2008 2:47 AM | Report abuse

Obama for CHANGE. Most likely a Change for the WORSE!!! I would like to know what is the Change he is always talking about. Maybe he wants to change the laws so his children do not have to pay their student loans back when they go to college because as you can see he doesn’t share is wealth with his own family (his brother who lives in a hut in Kenya) or maybe he wants to take the Pledge of Allegiance out of our Flag. I know he wants to take our Constitutional Right to Bear Arms away along with distributing our hard earned money to those too lazy to get a job.

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 2:49 AM | Report abuse

As someone who takes the time to see the policies both sides offer then makes a choice on the best resume the candidates puts out, this was a win win for republicans. Here's a few points to look at: will women vote for Palin because she is female, well 91% of African Americans have voted for Obama, A study was takin on racism in this contest 8% of white America will note vote for Obama becuase he is black, however 20% of black America will vote for Obama because he is black. You tell me why those numbers came out that way?

You say Palin has a lack of experience, what about Obama? Pot calling the kettle black in this case? But thats the Dem Pres compared to the Rep VP?

Some one said Reagan was all talking points from hand written note cards. Have you heard Obama talk with out a teleprompter, I do remember him saying something about visiting 57 states!!! Or saying he was in St. Louis and his own daughter asking him again where he was at, Kansas City, check your hand written note card.

I spent several hours on Obama's web site this week looking at his ideas. I still don't know what change is? I see tons of new money being spent, 1 trillion in new spending ideas before I stopped adding. Plus I saw several points on his website that in speaches he directly contridicts. Do we believe in his speaches or what is written in the website?

Obama voted present in the Illinois senate, what change did that make? He has been a US senator for about 2 years, half the time running for president, what changes did he make as the junior senator of Illinois?

McCain has proven that he will reach accross the aisle to the Democrats and work with them on legislation, this pisses off the republicans but still works with republicans. Obama has proven that he will not work with republicans, look at his voting record, so how will he unite the country when 50% of america is rupublican and will be ignored by Obama?

I saw one democrat say he stands for liberty, Obama is a socialist, where is the liberty in that?

Iraq and the surge has worked, if you haven't paid attention. The troops numbers are down compared the high after the surge. Iraq and the US are negotiating a exit strategy. I want a President at this point to go the last mile and make sure Iraq is safe before we leave and that the sacrifice our military has given us does not go unnoticed.

Obama says he supports the troops, but when votes for funding the troops and better equipment comes up, he uses this for politics to make a point.

Obama will let fuel get to 6 or 7 dollars a gallon while trying to build green fuel alternatives. He doesn't believe in drilling, nuclear power, building refineries, but future technologies that don't exist bring them on. McCain wants it all, new alternatives to what we are doing for the future, but expand on drilling for the present.

Wow I think you dems have broken your mirror and not acknowledging your own faults have pushed this voter the other way.

Posted by: RAPindependent08voter | August 30, 2008 2:49 AM | Report abuse

In my mind, this pick (gamble) comes down to balancing two major things. McCain steals Obama's post-convention hype vs. removing his ability to talk up Obama's inexperience. There are other factors, as I point out here:

10 Reasons Why Palin Will Win And Lose The Election For McCain

but that is the major gamble that the McCain campaign took with this selection.">10 Reasons Why Palin Will Win And Lose The Election For McCain

but that is the major gamble that the McCain campaign took with this selection.

Posted by: somedork | August 30, 2008 2:50 AM | Report abuse

Ok, last post was messed up, here's the link to my site where I talk about this VP selection further:

http://www.somedork.com/daily-ramblings/10-reasons-why-palin-will-win-and-lose-the-election-for-mccain/

Posted by: somedork | August 30, 2008 2:51 AM | Report abuse

Demopublican | August 30, 2008 2:08 AM
I WAS REFERRING TO THE FACT THAT SHE HAD ONLY RECEIVED/NEEDED HER PASSPORT LESS THAN ONE YEAR TO THIS DATE.

I have been traveling since the age of FIVE, and have been a witness to different cultures, ethnicities, diverse social and economical issues. My father is a diplomat who has traveled the world, my stepmother is still serving as chancellor of external affairs for her country. Once you are exposed to the fact that THERE'S A WORLD OUTSIDE OF THIS COUNTRY, your life changes.. your VISION changes! and whoever does not agree has never traveled.

She is a fine woman. A fine Governor and perhaps a fine mother too. But is she President material?

I AM CLEARLY A BETTER CHOICE FOR VP!

Posted by: GIGI | August 30, 2008 2:51 AM | Report abuse

At first I thought that McCain had finally lost all his marbles,in picking a rank amateur, with no national experience. After doing a little research, however, and after watching Maria Bartiromo's interview with the new Governor of Alaska, it is apparent to me that the old man did not make this choice after all.

The choice was made for him by the same people that brought us George Bush and Dick Cheney- None other than the people who brought us the war in Iraq. Big oil.

The whole Bartiromo/Palin interview is propaganda for big oil and drilling in the Anwr. She is simply a shill for the big oil companies posing as a hockey mom. Her husband has worked for British Petroleum for over 20 years, and she was put into office to carry out their policies.

Drilling in the Artic National Wildlife Refuge is environmenatally courting disaster, and it simply won't lower the price of oil.

It is extremely costly to drill this way, and to have the oil travel thousands of miles through a pipeline that must be heated and constantly monitored is expensive and dangerous. It can never be cost competitive over sources in the middle east which can pump their oil at a fraction of the cost of either Anwr or offshore. The price of oil indeed is not determined by short term supply and demand as Sarah says, but by the hedge fund speculators and the obscene profits that the majors have decided that they can get away with in Bush's last days in office.

When Bush started the war in Iraq the price was $1.75 per gallon. Iraq was pumping over 3,000,000 gallons a day and selling it outside the OPEC cartel. When we invaded, it took the cheap oil off the market allowing OPEC to raise the price. It was indeed a war about the control of oil- not about WMD's, freedom, or the security of America.

Palin uses all the oil trade slang like "oil hungry," to make the case for her persistent call for expanded drilling. Has she forgotten what the Exxon Valdez did to the Native American fishermen? It will happen again.

Big oil made Bush governor of Texas, then President of the United States. Now it is trying to put McSame and Palin in office to carry out their business for them.

It is not about electing a woman, it is simply about electing people friendly to the oil cartels.

Not this time.

Posted by: Elizabeth Gilmore | August 30, 2008 2:54 AM | Report abuse

Doug Christian @ 2:47am:

I am reposting this just for you, since you apparently are clueless like GIGI @ 1:45am....both of you commented that Palin has never been outside of the country...wrong!

You obviously have no clue...copy the following link and watch very closely at the 3 min mark.

You will see the Commander-in-Chief of the Alaska National Guard, Gov. Sarah Palin, visiting her troops in Iraq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wms2As61MYU&feature=related

You can see further pictures of her visiting wounded troops in Germany on the Alaska National guard web site...Google it!

Also, at the end of the video link that I posted, be sure to listen to the double speak from the Dems candidate.

Have a nice day! Or try to at least...

Posted by: Demopublican | August 30, 2008 2:54 AM | Report abuse

This is a very weak choice for McCain. McCain's people have strategized and run the numbers. It looks like they determined
that they were going to lose the election.

Their only hope is to roll the dice and do something very risky - namely, nominate a woman who has very little governmental experience for the vice-president of the United States.

Posted by: JohnB | August 30, 2008 2:59 AM | Report abuse

For those who think Obama could be a good President for America, I also heard CNN is not biased.
By the way, MSNBC news flash announcing Palin as the Vice President running mate today had the caption "How many houses do these 2 own all together?" underneath her's and McCain's picture. That was sorry Journalism!!! What's next, how many slaves did their ancestor's own all together?

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

Gigi:

I too have traveled, lived and worked outside of this country and you are absolutely correct in that it changes you.

But you have NEVER been Commander-in-Chief of National Guard troops from one of the great states from the USA; especially a Commander-in-Chief visiting her troops in a foreign theater of operation during wartime. And you know something else, neither has Obama, and hopefully he will never get the chance.

GIGI, I would venture to say that all you know is the silver spoon opportunity that your daddy and your mother afforded to travel around. No offense meant, just the facts, which seem so eager to over look from your rant against Gov. Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Demopublican | August 30, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

McCain met her once and gave her the thumbs up. A lot of positive reactions on this blog by people who likely had never heard of her last night. But are now advocating she could take over and run America if something happened to John McCain. Oh, by the way, Happy 72nd Birthday, John.

Posted by: Doug | August 30, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

For those who think Obama could be a good President for America, I also heard CNN is not biased.
By the way, MSNBC news flash announcing Palin as the Vice President running mate today had the caption "How many houses do these 2 own all together?" underneath her's and McCain's picture. That was sorry Journalism!!! What's next, how many slaves did their ancestor's own all together?

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

For those who think Obama could be a good President for America, I also heard CNN is not biased.
By the way, MSNBC news flash announcing Palin as the Vice President running mate today had the caption "How many houses do these 2 own all together?" underneath her's and McCain's picture. That was sorry Journalism!!! What's next, how many slaves did their ancestor's own all together?

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

For those who think Obama could be a good President for America, I also heard CNN is not biased.
By the way, MSNBC news flash announcing Palin as the Vice President running mate today had the caption "How many houses do these 2 own all together?" underneath her's and McCain's picture. That was sorry Journalism!!! What's next, how many slaves did their ancestor's own all together?

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

For those who think Obama could be a good President for America, I also heard CNN is not biased.
By the way, MSNBC news flash announcing Palin as the Vice President running mate today had the caption "How many houses do these 2 own all together?" underneath her's and McCain's picture. That was sorry Journalism!!! What's next, how many slaves did their ancestor's own all together?

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

For those who think Obama could be a good President for America, I also heard CNN is not biased.
By the way, MSNBC news flash announcing Palin as the Vice President running mate today had the caption "How many houses do these 2 own all together?" underneath her's and McCain's picture. That was sorry Journalism!!! What's next, how many slaves did their ancestor's own all together?

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

Gigi:

I too have traveled, lived and worked outside of this country and you are absolutely correct in that it changes you.

But you have NEVER been Commander-in-Chief of National Guard troops from one of the great states from the USA; especially a Commander-in-Chief visiting her troops in a foreign theater of operation during wartime. And you know something else. neither has Obama.

GIGI, I would venture to say that all you know is the silver spoon opportunity that your daddy and your mother afforded to travel around. No offense meant, just the facts, which seem so eager to over look for your rant against Gov. Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Demopublican | August 30, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

For those who think Obama could be a good President for America, I also heard CNN is not biased.
By the way, MSNBC news flash announcing Palin as the Vice President running mate today had the caption "How many houses do these 2 own all together?" underneath her's and McCain's picture. That was sorry Journalism!!! What's next, how many slaves did their ancestor's own all together?

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

McCain met her once and gave her the thumbs up. A lot of positive reactions on this blog by people who likely had never heard of her last night. But are now advocating she could take over and run America if something happened to John McCain. Oh, by the way, Happy 72nd Birthday, John.

Posted by: Doug | August 30, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

For those who think Obama could be a good President for America, I also heard CNN is not biased.
By the way, MSNBC news flash announcing Palin as the Vice President running mate today had the caption "How many houses do these 2 own all together?" underneath her's and McCain's picture. That was sorry Journalism!!! What's next, how many slaves did their ancestor's own all together?

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

For those who think Obama could be a good President for America, I also heard CNN is not biased.
By the way, MSNBC news flash announcing Palin as the Vice President running mate today had the caption "How many houses do these 2 own all together?" underneath her's and McCain's picture. That was sorry Journalism!!! What's next, how many slaves did their ancestor's own all together?

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

For those who think Obama could be a good President for America, I also heard CNN is not biased.
By the way, MSNBC news flash announcing Palin as the Vice President running mate today had the caption "How many houses do these 2 own all together?" underneath her's and McCain's picture. That was sorry Journalism!!! What's next, how many slaves did their ancestor's own all together?

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

Obama will make a Great President. Also CNN is unbiased.. ALL B.S.

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

For those who think Obama could be a good President for America, I also heard CNN is not biased.
By the way, MSNBC news flash announcing Palin as the Vice President running mate today had the caption "How many houses do these 2 own all together?" underneath her's and McCain's picture. That was sorry Journalism!!! What's next, how many slaves did their ancestor's own all together?

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

For those who think Obama could be a good President for America, I also heard CNN is not biased.
By the way, MSNBC news flash announcing Palin as the Vice President running mate today had the caption "How many houses do these 2 own all together?" underneath her's and McCain's picture. That was sorry Journalism!!! What's next, how many slaves did their ancestor's own all together?

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

For those who think Obama could be a good President for America, I also heard CNN is not biased.
By the way, MSNBC news flash announcing Palin as the Vice President running mate today had the caption "How many houses do these 2 own all together?" underneath her's and McCain's picture. That was sorry Journalism!!! What's next, how many slaves did their ancestor's own all together?

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

Obama will make a Great President. Also CNN is unbiased.. ALL B.S.

Posted by: Ervin | August 30, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

I'm not going to pretend that I even care about who McCain picked for VP. I have always known who I was voting for once the Presidencial candidates were determined from each party. The VP has an important role to play, but it has never swayed my vote. I believe the Presidential candidate is THE most important person on a ticket and if I disagree with their views I won't vote for the ticket no matter who they choose for VP. McCain picked someone with very similar views, personality, etc. Palin will have little influence on his Presidency should he win, just like any other VP choice he could have made. Same goes for the Dems, the VP rarely has much influence once in office. At least we only have a little over two months to suffer through all the bickering, name calling, skeletons, etc. before we find out which direction our country is moving. I firmly believe if we choose McCain our country will be considered the "Old South" of the world and in four years we will finally make a better selection, which may very well come out of the Republican Party, you never know. Does anyone out there recall when Arizona voted against Martin Luther King Day? They were threatened with not getting the Super Bowl and things sure changed then. Well, I believe that with the McCain ticket, even with Palin, that's how the world will treat us. Just like Arizona, the backwards state, the paria. Many countries are already leaning in that direction. I have only voted the Republican ticket once in my voting years. For some reason I kind of like McCain, though I thinks it's only because he's humorous. At least if he wins I'll be able to tollerate his speeches unlike Bush, just can't stomach the man.

Posted by: ProDem | August 30, 2008 3:11 AM | Report abuse

Gigi:

I too have traveled, lived and worked outside of this country and you are absolutely correct in that it changes you.

But you have NEVER been Commander-in-Chief of National Guard troops from one of the great states from the USA; especially a Commander-in-Chief visiting her troops in a foreign theater of operation during wartime. And you know something else, neither has Obama, and hopefully he will never get the chance.

GIGI, I would venture to say that all you know is the silver spoon opportunity that your daddy and your mother afforded to travel around. No offense meant, just the facts, which seem so eager to over look from your rant against Gov. Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Demopublican. | August 30, 2008 3:17 AM | Report abuse

Demopublican,

Once again... That was last year. THAT'S IT. World traveler and connosseur she is not.

Indi | August 30, 2008 2:40 AM - You are right... You DO NOT understand.


Posted by: GIGI | August 30, 2008 3:17 AM | Report abuse

God help us with a country full of so many dogmatic and blind people.

Is the experience of less than two years in the governor's office more important than 7 years in state senate and 4 years in the U.S. senate plus law degree's and extensive knowledge of the U.S. constitution plus the management of a complex and multipronged process like the primaries and the presidential campaign?
Are we going to trust our science and education future to a guy that has been familiarized with the single most important invention/development of the 20 and 21st century (computers) only recently and a creationist VP? For god’s sake, are the so called “values”, ideology, and the ability to hold an automatic weapon straight for the camera, more important than intelligence, the ability to analyze the situations and respond to the changing environment wisely? I am sick and tired of so called “executives”. The ability to balance a budget doesn’t make you able to create a prosperous future for America and its children. I am amazed that some people are so self-centered and dogmatic that would trust the most powerful office in the whole world to the McCain/Palin ticket, a pair of self-centered, conservative nuts that are passing as reformers and mavericks because they did the right thing to fight corruption in their own party. Something that any country and god loving politician should be ready and willing to do.

Posted by: Tasos | August 30, 2008 3:18 AM | Report abuse

I can't help but comment on experience even though I don't think either party should go there. Obama has been in the illinois state senate from 1997 to 2004. Obama has been in the US senate since 2005. In doing so he's represented many millions of people in the greater Chicago area and the state of Illinois, constantly, since 1997. His elected office experience is equal to 10.5 years. He is 47 years old.

By contrast Palin has been the mayor of a town of 8500 people and the governor for Alaska...a state of less than 900,000 people. Big state in land mass doesn't equal big state in constituents or management. Another way to view her experience as governor is to remember Alaska's constituents is roughly equal to the size of a 3rd tier US city. She's effectively been the mayor of a city the size of Dayton OH for the past 18 months, and before than was a mayor of a very small town. She's never been on the national political stage. Her career in politics as an elected official spans from 1996-2002, and then from December 2006 to present. Her elected office experience is that of 8.5 years. She is 44 years old, 3 years less than Obama.

I just wanted to clarify this for both sides. I think the dems should not go here only because most people will see office and years served, along with age, and draw this false conclusion that somehow she's just as experienced. I think the fact that she is just so inexperienced will end the republican talking points about Obama's perceived inexperience. I don't think the dems should attack her at all nor do I believe they have to. If the republican's continue to go there it will be problematic for them. When you peel back the onion she is nowhere near as experienced as Obama. Her selection inherently kills debate on this topic...and its about time.

On the issues her selection proves enough of a conflict to McCain's message of things are great we need to do more of what we've already been doing. If that is the case then why choose a reform candidate as a VP? He'll either admit his record over the last 8 years supported problematic policy and have to defend it, or he'll have to defend why he chose a reform candidate when he has no plans of reform. He won't admit he was wrong, thats political suicide. So we are on why a reform candidate when no change for reform. The supportive statements will be weak and woman will see right through it.

Posted by: fortheclueless | August 30, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse

You heard it here first...
Potential Outcomes
A: Obama self-destructs once he has to talk without notes -- McCain wins
B: Obama's utter failures in Illinois are relentlessly "outed" by RNC (someone... quick... ask what percentage of the time Obama voted "present" in IL senate)-- McCain wins
C: Biden attacks / fails to attack Palin, drawing ire of media (eg, Kobyashi Maru) -- McCain wins
D: The hockey mom cannot be maintained on the ticket due to some high-sticking or cross-checking back in Juneau -- Obama wins
E: McCain dons a white pine suit before November -- Obama wins

Oh, and if you want to know who's going to win and lose in November?:

Winner: Network News pundits
Loser: Me. You. Them. Us.
You heard it here first...

Posted by: NuclearSteve | August 30, 2008 3:21 AM | Report abuse

As a neutral observer (not from the USA), I feel McCain has made the right choice. He preferred someone who has similar beliefs in many areas (unlike Biden who holds lot many different views from Obama), would help him in the Energy Policy issue and provide a fresh face to the campaign... PUMAs or not, she sure is a strong VP candidate - the only one among the 4 with an Executive Background of being a Governor from the largest state of the US...

She will surely make the election more interesting... All the while it was like "Another 4 years of Bush", now I don't know what arguments does Obama have up his sleeve?

Posted by: Varun Reddy | August 30, 2008 3:23 AM | Report abuse

Ervin, I saw the same BS from MSNBC, when scanning the coverage during the McCain-Palin announcement. It is a shame that MSNBC has fallen so low in their journalistic ethics or lack there of...

Posted by: Demopublican | August 30, 2008 3:24 AM | Report abuse

Morrow, you dumb-ass, when Robinson said "It's hard to run against a candidate who has such ability to make people feel, well, hopeful about the future" he was referring to Obama as the one who makes people feel hopeful.

Posted by: JM | August 30, 2008 3:24 AM | Report abuse

"When Ronald Reagan ran for President in 1980 he had absolutly no substantive foreign policy experience. His only prior elected experience was serving as Governor of California for eight years (1968-1976)."

We are at WAR in two countries right now. Big difference.


Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 3:25 AM | Report abuse

I am nothing against her. I have said what she has achieved is ADMIRABLE. read my comments. I do not, however, want someone with such little knowledge of the outside world to become president of my country. Foreign Policy is important to me.

Second, HAHAHAHAHA! RICH? ME? far from it. You do not need money to travel, specially if your father happens to serve his country and has to travel and drag his family with him. I leave that to Cindy Mcain.

THIRD, hey you think now that she has a passport and possibly becomes vice president, that she'll go to Iraq and cross the border to PAKISTAN?

Posted by: GIGI | August 30, 2008 3:26 AM | Report abuse

It's funny that all the people defending the Palin choice were going to vote for McCain anyways. The new recruits were already signed up for the "Clintons = McCain" vote. There's no logic to your arguments, only a vague emotional regurgitation that makes me think you're less adult than children. It is a day and era when politicians have become the experts, and experts have become "elitist hacks". What a sick, pathetic world you Republican baby boomers have created for us. How sad that this is the best you could do, considering the resources you were given...

Posted by: JR | August 30, 2008 3:31 AM | Report abuse

She is beautiful & sexy, am sure McCain could not resist.

Posted by: Angelo | August 30, 2008 3:34 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad you guys think so highly of your candidates. I remember the same glowing rhetoric about Kerry and Edwards. Look at those two now.

So you think Bush is going down in history as a great president? You must be in the 20% that believes he is doing a fine job.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 3:34 AM | Report abuse

GIGI:

"...World traveler and connosseur..."?

GIGI, Are you insinuating that you are. If so, you would not rant so, you would make an intelligent and I might add, informed post! You have failed thrice now. Please give it rest...you don't strike me as someone that would even begin to know where to find a nice squid, linguine dinner in Venice! But that is OK...I won't hold it against you and for your sake, Gov. Sarah Palin too. Because it is not important in the leadership role that Gov. Palin is seeking now.

Posted by: Demopublican | August 30, 2008 3:35 AM | Report abuse

I would think McCain has made a terrible mistake in judgement with choosing Palin.

For one of two reasons. Either he thinks Palin is qualified to run the country if he pops an artery (and she clearly isn't) or worse, he believes she is a tactical asset designed to win the election regardless if she is qualified or not to assume the role of president.

Both choices are scary for him to make since it wasn't necessary to pick her in the first place.

Strange and bad move John.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 3:40 AM | Report abuse

fortheclueless,

wonderfully stated!!!
I loved reading your post, you are so right. BUT I am wondering if you meant for your last statement to read as such:
The supportive statements will be weak and [the] woman [women] will see right through it."

DEMOPUBLICAN,
I was talking about the appointed choice for VP by the pressumptive nominee for Presidency (rep)... not about myself. I thought it was clear that my plea for nomination is a sarcastic. AND that was my fourth post today... the first one was a TRUE plea for unity.

I don't know how my inability to find anything in Venice means I can't voice my opinion... Wasn't Obama the elitist? I do critizice (sp?) your false attempt not to scorn what you believed was my inexperience due to only knowing what was fed to me with a silver spoon. That is a failed attempt if I ever saw one.

I offer a listening ear, if you are interested... perhaps we can learn, educate and unite.


Posted by: GIGI | August 30, 2008 3:45 AM | Report abuse

Baffled why everyone is talking experience one way or other on EITHER side. How much foreign experience did our current President have when he started his first campaign? He hadn't gotten off this landmass, remember?

On the other hand, as a physician and a mother, I'm **appalled** that Palin has an SNK, and an INFANT to boot, four other kids, and thinks that her commitments to those kids can be put aside at anytime if she suddenly gets called to be President. I am NOT saying that women can't work and be parents. However, she continued a pregnancy and had a child knowing that child had a serious medical condition (DS isn't just about mental problems). That child's welfare needs to be her and her spouse's FIRST concern if they want the child to have a chance at health and happiness.

She made a commitment to that child by carrying the child to term, and she isn't keeping it. Even if her husband's a full-time caretaker - it takes two parents with a lot of energy to give even a high-functioning child with similar issues a good environment and the best opportunities. Lots of couples split over the stress. Nanny care isn't going a good sub in this situation; I've worked with lots of kids in similar situations, and the medical problems alone are heartbreaking.

Anyone who can't be responsible to their child (and don't get me started about the other four, and their needs in the face of having a special needs sibling) isn't someone who should be trusted with larger-scale commitments. Yes, all sorts of past candidates and present ones have cheated on spouses, served divorce papers when their spouse was no longer beautiful, blah blah blah, but a *child* - someone who can't yet take care of themselves and needs and deserves a parent's best..??? How can she abuse that commitment?

Her actions don't seem "pro-life" - it's "pro-moi."


Posted by: dr.i | August 30, 2008 3:49 AM | Report abuse

The War ticket, mutiple wars including Iran and the war against science with this moose eater.

Posted by: joseph marcucilli | August 30, 2008 3:51 AM | Report abuse

Ahh..bob dude-shut up man-Secret audio tapes???..I thought secret ment nobody knew about them...Does this mean they know about our secret?? You didn't show the pictures of us and the sheep did you??? ah man...

Posted by: Bevis | August 30, 2008 3:55 AM | Report abuse

dr. i

THANK YOU. I was afraid to say anything, I am embarrased and ashamed to admit. I didn't want the world to fall on me for not believing that a mother of five could run our country. For not believeing that women could do anything men could do.

I also feared what people thought if I complained that a child with DS was brought into this world and was not going to receive the care and full attention of BOTH his parents. As it is, I'm already "ranting"

As a mother, and a catholic, I do admire her. As a citizen, I find her irresponsible.

Posted by: GIGI | August 30, 2008 3:59 AM | Report abuse

She fired the Public Safety Director after he refushed to fire a cop who was threatening her family.

GOOD FOR HER.

Posted by: LOOKING IN | August 30, 2008 4:08 AM | Report abuse

The choice draws McCain's judgment instantly into question, and the complete absurdity of this nonentity becoming Commandress in Chief makes McCain's age (and his doddering and wandering forgetfulness) core issues of the campaign.

Posted by: Chris Fox | August 30, 2008 4:11 AM | Report abuse

I used to observe republicans are more mean spirited than democrats. But boy, the attacks (some even fully smell of blatant sexism) leveled on Palin (and not so long ago on Hillary) by the media and the Barack supporters completely change my mind. Both parties are just as nasty when it comes to politics. Change and hope are only big words to fool people. Nobody give us a real solution how to fix the economy and make America competitive again. Seems to me that Palin is more of a change person. She demostrated guts and integrity fighting the corrupted power in her own party. Wish her to be a president sometime, if not VP this time.

Posted by: ind mind | August 30, 2008 4:16 AM | Report abuse

What a bunch of hog wash. No Way I want a newbee Palin as VP or PRES. The Republikans need to learn to stay out of other peoples private business. 8 years of failure is what we got now.

Posted by: Reality | August 30, 2008 4:16 AM | Report abuse

"As Jonathan and Charles have noted, she effectively takes McCain's most powerful weapon against Obama -- the "experience" issue -- off the table."
********

the democrats wish it were so.

to the contrary, mccain is lulling the dems into a trap where by assailing palin (who has the only executive experience in the race) they underline obama's biggest weakness--among many--and give mccain free reign to point out that democrats only think that experience is important at the bottom of a presidential ticket, not the top.

republicans do have a way of making democrats look amatuerish.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 4:56 AM | Report abuse

Looking for constituents?

Not so. The basis for Palin's choice was the 18 million of Hillary.

That was pretty clear in the announcement.

Posted by: El Mugroso | August 30, 2008 5:41 AM | Report abuse

The fact that without the connivance of the media and the black power, Hilary Clinton would certainly be the Dem. nominee for the predidency, shows that the silent majority of the the American electorate are ready for a female president or VP this time around. The double insults dished out to Hilary by the DP by dumping her as a presidential or VP cadidate, open up the opportunity for GOP to nominate the unconventional and maverick Palin as their choice of VP to ameliorate the hurt feelings of many female voters in America. By all accounts, the McCain/Palin ticket stands a good chance of being elected in November 2008. Who are to blame? The chicken have come back to roast for the Democratic Party, despite the blessing or curse of Rev. Wright.

Posted by: Mike, Singapore | August 30, 2008 5:49 AM | Report abuse

A gimmick by McCaine.That's all and it will backfire

Posted by: Brian Musah | August 30, 2008 5:52 AM | Report abuse

No one has the experience to be president!

I judge a candidate's ability to lead on what he or she has done in the past. I don't care about party affiliation - I just want a president who understands that I work everyday and can't afford healthcare. I can barely keep enough gas in my car to get to work. I want to put a mortgage on my house to help my daughter through college, but my credit card bills are over the limit for a loan.

This is crazy!

I fear that at anytime - a terrorist will strike our country with a nuclear or biological weapon. I don't feel safe in this country anymore! I feel that racism and greed is destroying our country.

Like any American, I try to take care of my family and help others along the way. I don't get involved in politics too much - I trust that politicians will look out for my interest!

I'm too busy trying to survive in America, and I have a job! God help those who lose their jobs, become ill, or lose pension from death of a spouse. I don't care about gun rights, abortion issues, gay and lesbian rights, or the likes. My only concern is - why hard working Americans are broke when they get paid!

If a Presidential candidate can't help me or relate to my struggles – they’re not deserving of my vote.

By the way, neither my kids nor I own a cell phone. Is it me or what?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 5:53 AM | Report abuse

Let's face it. Both candidates made complementary choices. Neither pandered for a single state win. Both tried to shore up apparent weaknesses within their own constituencies. Obama's choice of Biden gives the ticket foreign policy experience yet no one can accuse Biden of being an agent of change. McCain had to choose a woman and a beltway outsider seen as an agent of change. And she had to shore up his weakness on the right. Why a woman? In a race this close, McCain had to make a bold move. Obama didn't need to be bold and he prudently chose Biden to bolster his perceived lack of experience. Both made the right choice which bodes well for the nation regardless which ticket wins. November has all the makings of a barn-burner!

Posted by: dangerbird | August 30, 2008 6:39 AM | Report abuse

Palin only has a Bachelor's degree in Journalism.

Posted by: Dee | August 30, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

This is for Bill and all the rest of you who think that Palin is a fine choice. Let us completely forget party politics and ideology for a minute. Do you McCain supporters really think that this VP pick has enough experience for the job? Please give some reasons if you answer in the affirmaive. And before you answer think again. And, please, those posters on the left and right, please stop referring to her as a "fox". It is demeaning. We are not talking about a modeling job here, but the vice presidency. I find it sexist.

Posted by: MarkinNY | August 30, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

This is for Bill and all the rest of you who think that Palin is a fine choice. Let us completely forget party politics and ideology for a minute. Do you McCain supporters really think that this VP pick has enough experience for the job? Please give some reasons if you answer in the affirmaive. And before you answer think again. And, please, those posters on the left and right, please stop referring to her as a "fox". It is demeaning. We are not talking about a modeling job here, but the vice presidency. I find it sexist.

Posted by: MarkinNY | August 30, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Great now we have rookies in the #1 spot on the Democrat side and #2 spot on the Republican side. This calls into question Mccain's judgment but of course picking Obama called into question the my whole parties judgment. Don't like or trust the guy.

I think a more logical choice would have been a centrist like Ridge to try to pick up independents and disaffected Democrats.

Oh well, I've got two months to make a decision. Not happy with any of my choices.

Posted by: megaphone | August 30, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

I think McCain's "base", if he has such, will be confused by this choice. I don't think it will help him other than to create a lot of media chatter and draw some attention to her -- very little of it probably good.

Posted by: Paulus | August 30, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

McCain just finished the joke on himself. After railing for months on the so-called "experience", he nuked himself with Palin's selection!!! Go GOP. Yiikes.

Tariq

Posted by: Hailing From Iraq | August 30, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

I find it so hilarious that liberals think the world revolves around them...to the point they think a republican presidential candidate places the concerns of Hillary supporters above his party in his VP selection.

I mean after all, there are more pro-life republican women, then there are Hillary supporters...yet they are so arrogant to still think it is all about them.

Like being in a Obama snow globe...they live in their own little world, creating their own reality.

Example...Obama didn't want Hillary for his VP choice, he didn't even consider her. Yet now Hillary supporters are now outraged because McCain picked a great women for his VP choice?

Hey die hard Hillary supporters, Obama didn't consider your opinions...so just why is it you think we would care enough to throw away a VP selection on a bunch of angry losers?

McCain picked a strong pro-life candidate and everyone knows that Hillary supporters are pro-baby killers. So like I said, only liberals are self centered enough to think his choice in Palin was about you.

Bawaahaaha...what a bunch of losers.

McCain/Palin 2008


Posted by: dan | August 30, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

McCain Behaving Mavericky: Brilliant! His VP Roll-out blunted coverage of Obama's successful by-all-accounts Convention Speech. His VP Pick makes it more plausable that he can diminish Obama's lead among women by at least a couple of percentage points, thereby bringing several of the closely-contested, critical, Obama-must-have swing states back to Red. No wonder the Democratic response to her has been viral and visious. Of all the counter-arguments, the most mythical is that the Palin pick somehow steps on McCain's chief experience argument against Obama, as if Obama's VP pick didn't step on his Change message. Dan Qayle anyone?

Posted by: John Hogue | August 30, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

At first blush a weak choice, and one almost wonders if McCain is making another play for a younger woman here, but Dems shouldn't get cocky about it. There are any number of battleground states that have lots of hunters, and a few where snowmobile champs are highly respected. No joke, but Minn, Wisc, Mich have lots of votes.

Posted by: stan | August 30, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

After accusing Obama of being an empty celebrity, McCain basically picked Paris Hilton. I admire his judgment. Good luck America!

Posted by: dolpa | August 30, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Forget the Palin pick the debate with Biden. The real war is the ground game. Obama's has put together a true grass roots bottoms=up organization to get voter turnout. Palin energizes the evangelical right wing, but their numbers are not greater than they were four years ago; whereas the Dems have increased voter registration by double digit percentages.

Neither Obama nor McCain has yet cracked the 50% level in polls, but Obama hit 49% in the Gallup Daily Tracking Poll yesterday, before the full impact of his acceptance speech had registered in the electorate. It remains to be seen whether the announcment of Palin will counteract the emotional impact on 38 million viewers left by Senator Obama. I doubt it will.

This move shores up the 'solid south' but does little else for McCain. I look for him to lose his temper more than a few times in the next 10 weeks, thereby crashing his own plane, so to speak. I also expect Palin to cause some embarrassment as she most likely was rushed through the vetting process, where unpleasant details of her life remain buried and will ultimately emerge.

Posted by: LeftGuy | August 30, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Let me just thrown one name out there, Christine Todd Whitman.....

If Mr. McBush really wanted to do something TRULY meaningful....

There are so many better choices he could have made and still achieved his goal of attracting Hillaryites.

What a slap in the face to women! This is not the move of an audacious risk taking maveric... looks more like a the move of a reckless, cynical, and DESPERATE politician.

Posted by: Kent | August 30, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

What does it say about the value of the family to uproot several young children from Juno and move them to the glare of Wash. DC and an absentee mom. Great, dad is probably great and should take his share of the family responsibility but a downs syndrom baby and other small chilren still need a big dose of mother.

Posted by: Bill | August 30, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

I am an undecided independent white female. After McCain's pick, I am now leaning toward Obama for 4 basic reasons. First, Obama/Biden appears much stronger than McCain/Palin: From domestic issues (Economy, Health Care, Education) to national security. I would feel more comfortable with Biden as President than Palin. Second, Obama has much more quality experience than Palin. As a matter of fact, 18 million people think that Obama has experience to be president, while one person (McCain) believes that Palin does. Obama has spent 8 years in IL senate legislature and 4 years in US senate. IL is a giant state with a giant population. Chicago itself has 3 MILLIONS people while the entire AL has only 700000 people. So Obama represents a much larger consistuency, has gone through the rigors and pressure of the system. Third and more important, Obama has started a very powerful organization from scratch that has beaten the most powerful democratic organization of the last decade (the Clintons). This in itself gives a more credible executive experience than being 1.5-year-governor of a state with more polar bears than people. Obama has truly been in the spotlight and tested on the national scene the last 18-month period. Four, Obama has more foreign experience than Palin. Obama was member of the foreign national committee, has visited important countries recently with the success that we all know while all the spotlight and pressure were on him.

McCain should not just think that women are dumb to vote for him just because he picked a women.

Posted by: fab74 | August 30, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

How can we get hope from a candidate who wants to give up our gains in Iraq to prove he was right all along to oppose the war? The President has been critized for failing to acknowledge what a failure we have been in Iraq. Is it just as bad to refuse to admit success?

Or should he say "It is the economy, citizen."

Posted by: Gary E. Masters | August 30, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

OK. This is what you get when you elect a "person." You get a team. The Cabinet, to be specific and all those in the White House and the EOB. If the VP should replace the President the same team (minus the President) stay in place. That is whey we can elect Senator Obama without questioning his experience. It is the team that counts. And the team stays when the VP takes over. So?

No issue at all with Palin.

Posted by: Gary E. Masters | August 30, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps John watched too much of "Charlies Angles". He wants one of his own. Not exactly looking out for the country though is he?

Posted by: mich | August 30, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

I am white, age 72, female and NOT a Hillary supporter. With the addition of Palin to the 2008 race, all I can say is:
How long can the United States run on empty?

Posted by: Sweet Sue | August 30, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

"More change than I have actually heard Obama say he will do. All he says is change. What will he change? A democracy to a dictatorship?"

I am constantly amazed at the intellectual failings of Republicans. We just spent 8 years with a President that has done more to do just that and you want to hand the same party another 4 years to complete the job.

Posted by: Michael | August 30, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Diana Prince (alter-ego of Wonderwoman), seems like a nice enough woman. The kind you would invite to your sunday bar-b-q with her kids. However, I'd be scared STIFF if something, God Forbid, happened to John McCain, were he to be elected. This is simply not the person I would be comfortable with having the keys to the U.S. Nuclear arsenal. John McCain has met this lady once, maybe twice, and taps her to be VP. She says she has not been keeping up with the Iraq war despite the fact that her own child is headed there. That is equally frightening.

And what is with her wish to push creationism into public schools?

This is what I think, she is a REPUBLICAN without question, however, by no means the best republican pick. Certainly not the best female republican he could have found.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Good God people! Since when was the ability to spawn a qualification to be VP of the most powerful country in the world???? If that's all it takes, there are literally thousands of women in this country with more than 5 kids, which by that logic makes them even MORE qualified!!!


HAVE YOU ALL GONE MAD???

Posted by: festinog | August 30, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I have seen Mr.Robinson on MSNBC.Avery partisan commentator and an obvious Obama fan.Why should we care to read your musings sir? Obective analysis ever?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse


The cynicism of this pick is not a slap in the face of women, but a smirk in our faces.

A typically McCain smirk.

Not only is the woman under investigation for abuse of power (moose hunting as well as in-law hounding), there is even a special tipline to call with information about her behavior: 907-264-6617.

She gave that energy stipend to people because she got so much out of the oil companies ready to despoil the last wilderness in America - Alaskans just scoop cash from the oil companies, they don't have to deal with issues of infrastructure and budget - she's no genius, she's a kid in a candy store.

The comparison of McCain to a gambler in Vegas is a good one. Trouble is, the chips on the table are the lives of us all. No new ideas? Bet that the American voter is shallow enough to go for novelty.

He met her ONCE before choosing her. If Pawlenty and Romney can stomach this foolishness it will be evidence that the GOP is about nothing but raw power - they are even exploiting the woman's disabled child and deployed son. Are her daughters also to be grist for the McCain mill?

Silly woman - hot in a pantsuit and a BA from with a minor in Poli Sci hardly qualify her to be commander-in-waiting.

Posted by: Mom | August 30, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Palin will attract the far right, the uneducated, the uninformed, and we all know how that worked for Bush. Palin will raise the non-Presidential issues that appeal to emotion rather than reason. Palin's policy differences will be ignored by McCain as long as it gets more right wing fringe votes. Palin will bring the lowest common denominater to America. This country cannot slip into mediocrity just to fullful a failed policy platform. This country can't cast off all of it's dreams, all of the qualities that made this country the leader of the world. This country cannot vote for mediocrity for a third time. Wake up America and see the future, don't hold on to the past predudices, it is time to hope and to do everything we can to make the future better with new ideas and new equalities.

Posted by: theroadmaster | August 30, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

McCaine has always had a weakness for pretty women and was no doubt captivated by her looks and charm.He has through this choice revealed a dangerous gambling streak, a trait Americans simply cannot afford in a President right now.Just look at the mess in Iraq caused by another great gambler George Bush!

Posted by: Estazio | August 30, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

John McCain could have selected a puppy and it would sparkle that dead group. She has nothing in common with women except the conservative republicans. She is no Hillary and has about one tenth of her abilities. A bad selection which is good for the democrats. Cindy McCain would really have to watch that old man if she didn't have as much money as she does.

Posted by: thegirl119 | August 30, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

To all of you comparing Palin and Obama lexperience levels. Obama put in nearly 4 years in the US senate. And about 8 years in the state senate. And about 12 years teaching constitutional law - a subject that Bush apparently knows little of.

Trying to compare his education and experience in government to Sarah Palin is laughable. She has no experience in federal level government, and has been the governor for less time than McSame has spent campaigning for president.

Palin's education would make her a perfect fit for press secretary, but potential commander in chief...... please, don't make me laugh.


Posted by: Dave | August 30, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Y'all sure are scared of this little woman with as much foreign policy experience and more executive experience than little Barry.

Posted by: Rufus | August 30, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Apparently Republicans think affirmative action is swell under the right circumstances.
With those sparse qualifications, Governor Palin would not have been McCain's pick if she was a man.
Senator "America First" the One True Patriot picked Palin over more qualified candidates for nothing more than political strategy.
But, those who vote Republican are easy to fool. They elected George Bush.

Posted by: SamBrown | August 30, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

This takes the "History setting campaign" arguement away from Obama, because no matter who wins, it will be a first either a Black president or a woman vice president.

Posted by: dem52 | August 30, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"t's hard, though, to forget the scene at Invesco Field last night. I didn't get to go to the stadium". Yeah, but the speech itself had the staying power of cotton candy in a warm spring rain. Even before the VP announcement, people couldn't remember what was said and it produced zero memorable catchphrases, something that makes even the image of a speech live on.

Posted by: Ed | August 30, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Who amongst the Republican Party didn't expect this deluge of mean spirited and ignorant comments from the Democrats? Just look what they said and did to each other during their primaries. They at least provided plenty of ammo for the general election. This definitely caught them off-guard . . . where's your TV spot Dems denouncing Palin? First McCain is too old and now Palin is too young . . . NEWS FLASH . . . together they are the best team.

Vote McCain/Palin in 2008

Posted by: Don of Fairfax | August 30, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

She hunts, fishes and likes Moose Burgers. Not to mention that she was Miss Wasilla and runner up in the Miss Alaska pageant. Well, she did win Miss Congeniality for playing the flute. Is John McCain completely bent? Is this the best he could come up with? I know desperate situations call for desperate measures but WTF?

Her introduction had to be one of the most cheesiest national debuts. Having the music from Rudy? All that was missing were the chants "Rudy, Rudy, Rudy" Oh and that bridge to nowhere she was against. She is on the record in 2006 as being for it. It is only after the issue became a liability to her and an embarrassment to Alaska that she was all of a sudden against it.

Oh, and the tax breaks that she fought for. That money was provided by the oil companies and is standard practice in plying the local populous. Frankly I don't care if her son joined the military (On 9-11, that was an especially nice touch) and is being deployed. I do care that she would have the nerve to use her son as a prop. Let us see if she is singing the same tune about the war when her #1 comes back in flag-draped box.

Ultimately, this was a novelty pick mean to stir coverage for the campaign, Address McCain's age, and win disenchanted Hillary supports. One problem with the last item and that is Palin is no Hillary.

Posted by: NewAgeMarketer | August 30, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

What most scares me about this choice is the manner in which it was made and what it says about McCain's as a decision maker -- rash, unpredictable, little discernment or research, going on the gut to an extreme. Maybe that works for you as a fighter pilot (oh, well maybe not, he got shot down, didn't he?), but it is absolutely frightening to have such a man making Presidential decisions about war and peace, life and death. This choice shows McCain as a dangerous loose cannon willing to put the country at risk in a desperate attempt to win an election.

BTW, while yes, he was able to push Obama and his speech out of the news cycle, what he didn't realize is that 38 million plus people saw the speech real time - - they don't need to hear about it on the news --- they experienced it directly.

Posted by: John H | August 30, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Olive wrote:
But what I don't get is: why don't they ask some of us ordinary
middle-aged women. Why---because we would give the wrong answer.
___________

I think they dont ask because they really dont understand WHY men and women are legitimately disgusted with Obama(and McCain).

In their heads, an election is as superficial as a baseball game, to be planned, and sold, as such.

And that, in part, is why they have to go, the lot of them. They fail to understand the truth about our government, in their heads, it's nothing but polls, power seeking, and face time with Wolf.

Forget transcendent policy, these people don't DO real work, they pose, presidential spokesmodels.

And this isn't just a women's issue, either.

None of the candiates is remotely capable of excuting the office of Presidency, with the possible excpetion of Biden, on a good day.

And even that's a long shot.

Posted by: Moe Alinsky | August 30, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Despite Robinson's idea that B.O. makes "people" hopeful about the future, it's only liberals who feel that way. Liberals don't like the United States the way it is and believe that it requires a makeover. Obama's wife believe the US to be a "mean" country which makes me question what ever happened to gratitude. B.O's pastor of 20 years believes that God does not bless America -"God Damn America," is the phrase he prefers. As a son of immigrants to the US I have always been grateful to this country and to its good people for allowing me the opportunity to work and study. The US is the greatest country on earth. That is a phrase we Democrats used often in the past. It is a phrase that embarasses liberals today for its chauvinism. That's why I am no longer a liberal.

Posted by: mhr | August 30, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

this woman Palin has the most annoying voice,when she talks, she sounds like a squirrel in distress.

Posted by: j | August 30, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

this woman Palin has the most annoying voice,when she talks, she sounds like a squirrel in distress.

Posted by: j | August 30, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Apparently Palin hunts moose. In rural Alaska, poor people hunt moose when they're struggling to feed their families. In New York City, rich people hunt moose when they're feeling sadistic and want to kill something just to watch it die.

Alaska is such a small state that the governor is basically a mayor. It's OK for a mayor to get involved with firing city police. California is such a big state that for the governor to fire state police would be like the US president firing individual soldiers - it just wouldn't make sense.

What it comes down to is that McCain has written off the urban areas (that is, the east and west coasts) and is focusing on the rural areas. It could work because Obama is still going to have to throw the urban areas the occasional bone. On the other hand, most of the high level political commentators are urban so they may not want a moose-shooter running US foreign policy when McCain dies in office.

Posted by: John | August 30, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

"With those sparse qualifications, Governor Palin would not have been McCain's pick if she was a man.
Senator "America First" the One True Patriot picked Palin over more qualified candidates for nothing more than political strategy.
But, those who vote Republican are easy to fool. They elected George Bush."

Excellent point! many posters here have admited (and are proud of) they think she was picked in order to fill the hillary void... some went to say that McCain answers to those Obama turned his back on when he didn't choose Hillary as VP. Others simply ignore it because it is so embarrasing.

On another note: NewAgeMarketer I am sorry but I find your comment in bad taste. I am not sure that she is using her son as a prop, she might be proud, but maybe she was as surprised (and baffled) by McCain's choice as the rest of us. I do however appreciate the facts that you state.

And stop the dividing comments PLEASE! "you dems", "republicans", "liberals" HOW ABOUT AMERICANS??? aren't we all???? or I'll have to call you all "you George Bush voter you!" but my mother taught me never to insult people.

Posted by: PrettyMommy | August 30, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin ROADKILL '08

Posted by: patriot76 | August 30, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Exactly what you would expect from a Bush crony!!Palins husband works for BP (british petroleum)when he's not fishing,makes sense she wants to drill in Alaska huh? I'd say McCain just proved he's a few bricks shy of a load.Well she was runner up in a beauty contest,bad news is she gonna be runner up again in a differant contest!

Posted by: Oh-No | August 30, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin ROADKILL '08

Posted by: patriot76 | August 30, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe there are still dunderheads who subscribe to the cliched facade of John McCain as "maverick." This image is tired and shallow, and any cursory glance at McCain's voting record and/or policy prescriptions proves it.

McCain is not a maverick. He is irresponsible and impetuous... kind of like the guy currently in office! Did you read about his affinity for gambling? Well, McCain may think it fine to gamble on Palin to save his campaign, but I sure as heck don't want him gambling with my country.

Can we please, finally, just have some serious, responsible leadership in Washington?

OBAMA/BIDEN '08!

Posted by: Thomas | August 30, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

We must agree that the convention was filled with thousands of barack supporters, but it was also attended by representatives of the 18 million Hillary supporters that continue to be convinced Barack is not a leader we can trust.

Barack's speech was uninspiring and failed to unite the democrats and bring back all the angry and frustated Hillary supporters. It was sad to see the powerful speeches of the matured and seasoned democratic leaders such as Hillary and Bill Clinton that made a strong attempt to bring back the disillusioned Hillary supporters, But the end speech of Barack confirmed our fears and solidified our decision to vote for other than Obama.

Barack made promises just like any other false politician that is guided by his own ambition for power; the words were filled with air and didn't resound in the populous stadium. He promises change but what we witnessed was more of the same..

With John McCain's selection of Sarah Palin for VP, a woman who is a true reformer that not just talks about the promise of change but puts it into practice and makes it a reality; Hillary supporters now have a clear choice in the general election and they will rush to vote for the McCain/Palin ticket.

The choice of Sarah Palin for VP is a brilliant move by the Maverick Jihn McCain and all Hillary supporters will vote for them!

Posted by: Manolete | August 30, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

My main concern is for the youth of this country who are so mesmerized by Obama. The more the government hands out, the less freedom you have. There is always a price to pay. And, payback is hell.

Posted by: whatishappening | August 30, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

The first duty of the President is to protect and defend the United States. We are at war in two countries, lending our power in Georgia to stave off war in a third. We are fighting the spead of nuclear weapons to Iran and terrorism across the world.

Let's assume that the President dies a few months into office. It has happened before. I may not agree with all Biden says but he clearly has the kind of experience and knowledge that we expect of a President. He arguably is qualified.

Palin does not now and would not then be qualified. There is no honest counter-argument.

McCain's choice is cynical politics, winning at all costs. It's the "win today and let the country suffer" way to govern.

It's been said elsewhere and it sadly is becoming true: McCain. Putting.Country.Last.

Posted by: MStephenson | August 30, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

EXPERIENCE

Worth repeating

because Barack Obama has managed a better-run campaign than anyone

"Obama has more executive experience just from running his presidential campaign than Palin has from governing Alaska."

Posted by: m | August 30, 2008 12:48 AM


Posted by: MisterEarl | August 30, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

McCain showed his total lack of appreciation of issues important to women, as well as how he would make important decisions. Does he think that putting any woman on the ticket changes the fact that he has fought against women's rights, and that somehow this move will make women vote for him? What an insult to all women. This is such obvious pandering. It does show McCain's true character---and that's not as a maverick. He's predictable and too old to change.

Posted by: USneedsObama | August 30, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

The more the government hands out?Are you kidding?How about the more Bush has taken away?He's changed the Bill of Rights and the U.S.Contitution to suit his own agendas,thats how you end up with less freedom.And everytime you allow a freedom to be taken away,it gets easier the next time to do it again.
James Madison said:If tyranny and Oppression come to this land,it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy!

Posted by: Oh-No | August 30, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

The experience is all that may be taken off the table. The Bush third term is alive and well. McCain is the focus here, not the number 2 spot. The experience issue could have been left on the table if McCain had picked one with experience, one capable of stepping in for an ailing McCain. Just think, one heartbeat away. If this had been a Democrat problem, the Republicans would be playing it for what it is worth.

Posted by: Earl C | August 30, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Which candidate has demonstrated the best ability to manage millions of dollars in camapign resources and mobilize workers, volunteers and events?

Which campaign has had stability in its executive positions?

Which has had the least amount of internal drama?

Which campaign is the best run machine?

Ask yourself about leadership

Posted by: MisterEarl | August 30, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

The experience is all that may be taken off the table. The Bush third term is alive and well. McCain is the focus here, not the number 2 spot. The experience issue could have been left on the table if McCain had picked one with experience, one capable of stepping in for an ailing McCain. Just think, one heartbeat away. If this had been a Democrat problem, the Republicans would be playing it for what it is worth.

Posted by: Earl C | August 30, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

National Leadership?

With 670,053 people - roughly half the population of the Bronx - Alaska has the second smallest in population. Only Wyoming has fewer people.

Half the population of The Bronx?

sheesh

Posted by: MisterEarl | August 30, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Manolette:

thank you for once again reminding us that Palin was chosen on the basis that she is a WOMAN, and McCain thinks that WOMEN are easily fooled and as long as there's a woman on the ballot, Hillary supporters will vote for that woman... EVEN though the two could not be more different from each other! THANKS!

whatishappening:

No kidding! we're paying that price NOW. Remember? GWB is our President. Or do you really think this is a good & stable government?

Earl C :

The Executive Branch of the Federal Government is the focus here... Not McCain. Be serious man! - and Thanks for proving that she's and embarrasing choice.

AND TO ALL "SPEECH CRITICS" ARE YOU SURE YOU WANNA GO THERE????

Lastly, for your viewing pleasure... I leave you with John McCain's choice for Secretary of State... Somebody who will bring to the table something he lacks, someone with charisma, someone who can counter-act Obama's Celebrity-ness someone who understands what is really the answer to all those criticism of McCain: the need for maps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAJUMYGgfZA

DON'T FORGET! YOU SAW IT HERE FIRST!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Manolette:

thank you for once again reminding us that Palin was chosen on the basis that she is a WOMAN, and McCain thinks that WOMEN are easily fooled and as long as there's a woman on the ballot, Hillary supporters will vote for that woman... EVEN though the two could not be more different from each other! THANKS!

whatishappening:

No kidding! we're paying that price NOW. Remember? GWB is our President. Or do you really think this is a good & stable government?

Earl C :

The Executive Branch of the Federal Government is the focus here... Not McCain. Be serious man! - and Thanks for proving that she's and embarrasing choice.

AND TO ALL "SPEECH CRITICS" ARE YOU SURE YOU WANNA GO THERE????

Lastly, for your viewing pleasure... I leave you with John McCain's choice for Secretary of State... Somebody who will bring to the table something he lacks, someone with charisma, someone who can counter-act Obama's Celebrity-ness someone who understands what is really the answer to all those criticism of McCain: the need for maps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAJUMYGgfZA

DON'T FORGET! YOU SAW IT HERE FIRST!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Another bad day for the Baracky Hussein Obama campaign.

Every single day, he sounds more and more like a Republican. Saying anything that he thinks will gain him votes – he is a poll watcher with no convictions.

Baracky Hussein Obama has an extremely liberal voting record – he cannot run and hide from that fact.

Even his running mate and Hillary Clinton have stated, that he is not qualified to be President.

I hope that all Hispanic voters realize, that they will be at the bottom of the barrel if Baracky Hussein Obama is elected.

Baracky Hussein Obama will have to pacify the Black voters, after receiving 99 % of their vote in November.

Democrats for John McCain in 2008 – The Maverick is back.

Posted by: gary | August 30, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

As an independent leaning towards the republicans, I find this cynical move completely deplorable. Watching the Republican talking points machine in action over Palin has been truly disturbing.

A Fox news anchor actually claimed that Alaska's proximity to Russia demonstrated Palin's foreign relations experience! And then there is the claim that she "killed the bridge to nowhere." I researched this and it turns out that's a complete fabrication.

Asked by the Anchorage Daily News in 2006 whether she supported the bridge, Palin answered:

"Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."

Turns out that she supported the bridge until the media firestorm got too large. In fact it was congress who killed the earmark, putting the money back in the state's regular appropriations pool. All Palin did was finally give up on the project when her state was a national laughingstock. Not exactly bold leadership.

So what does Palin bring other than being a woman and pro-life? Absolutely nothing. Being a mother, hunter, and fisher are completely irrelevant. And what about her two years of executive experience? Alaska is completely funded by taxing the oil industry. All the governor of Alaska has to do is hand out the money. It's the federal equivalent of a trust fund.

However, based on our previous elections, this move will likely pay off. By all accounts Palin appears to be a likable candidate, and Americans have demonstrated time and again they'd rather vote for the person they'd like to have a beer with as opposed to the person who lead our country. It's like we never outgrew high school.

Normally, I'd find it

Posted by: sad independent | August 30, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

PETA should go after this woman ,she eats moose , cats , dogs and she has a polar bear rug in her office

Posted by: j | August 30, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

j
is that what I saw? I wasn't sure... I thought it was a montage... was that a dead bear? amazing the things you learn from different cultures and upbringings!

Posted by: GIGI | August 30, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

McCaine has just handed the Democrats the White House on a Silver Platter. Most Americans can clearly see that should McCaine ,who is 72 suddenly die in office while President the US could suddenly find itself with a highly inexperienced Commander in Chief- a frightening prospect frequently highlighted by McCaine Himself when referring to the infinitely more experienced Obama. It is scary when McCaine starts to gamble this way with the Presidency. What was he thinking? There is bound to be a huge backlash especially if Palin starts to make gaffes and the criticisms start to snowball.

Posted by: Brian Musah | August 30, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Look, the Palin pick was an act of desperation, pure and simple. And it is not going to work.

It was a stupid, reckless, cynical crap shoot of a choice that shows exactly how abysmal John McCain's decision making abilities are.

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 30, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

so, we picked a president because he was someone we
could have a beer with...

how did that work out?

didn't know bearing children and a being a former beauty queen qualifies one to be a heartbeat away from becoming our president.

his choice is an insult, and a slap in the face to feminism.

mc cain you've shown us and example of your executive judgement.

if they are elected the american electorate is truly clueless.

Posted by: anonymous | August 30, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Another example McCaine poor judgement.My Dad who is the same age as McCaine thinks McCaine was swept of his feet bythe charms of this woman. McCaine has always had an interest for considerably younger women. What was that rumour about a female associate doing the rounds several months ago

Posted by: Nano | August 30, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Again, surprising here how many people seem to know so much about Palin yet say she has done nothing. It is also laughable how some here have the inside scoop on how McCain barely knows her, never met before annoucing her, etc.....where do you people get this stuff..the Huffington Post, MSNBC...consider the source of these "news" tidbits or stop making stuff up..

Obama has no national or international record and as others have written his record as STATE senator is flawed and led to numerous problems.

He is one of the least vetted presidential candidates in history. The media has given him a free ride and liberals only have his rhetoric to cling to. His policy proposals are ridiculous:

5 million jobs created in the alternative energy sector...How? and Where did that number come form?

150 billion invested into alternative energies: which ones? he's against most of them. Where will the money come from?

Increasing taxes on 5% of population. How much revenue will this really generate before this group collapses? The top 3-5% of earner already pay 90% of the taxes. It will be like squeezing blood out of a turnip.

If your employer does not offer health care then the state or federal government will provide it for you. What is the incentive for businesses to actually offer health care here?

So much for his Harvard law degree...and his brilliance...nothing new here..this stuff has been said by every Dem from Carter onward..ad it does not add up..

His foreign policy proposals are laughable. He said Iran was a small nation that posed little threat to the US. He would sit down with rogue nations without pre conditions.

Both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden are on record saying Obama is inexperienced and John McCain is better able to lead this country.

Both candidates picked VPs to bolster their tickets. Her story matches well with Biden's. She is working class
American whose son is going to Iraq. She mobilizes the conservative base like Biden mobilized his base. This will prove important come the debates and on the campaign trail.

Hillary supporters need to check their anger at the door. I mean mocking her good looks and voice. I don;t see anyone here writing about how ugly Hillary and Chelsea look on the big screen. McCain did not pick this woman just to try and make you happy. He only has to get about 5-10% percent of the 20 million of you to potentially affect this election. It is that close. Stop the self importance...many of us do not care about you or your vote regardless of the outcome of the election..especially since you sound bitter...and yes I agree Hillary got penalized by the media but it had nothing to do about being a woman...they were just in love with Barack like they are now and have no intention of critically analyzing him like they did Hillary or McCain. Live with it.

Posted by: Blissfully Ignorant | August 30, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Palin's earlier skill sets should allow her to see that the Congressional child care service is well managed as well as to provide play-by-play of the Senate's proceedings. Beyond that I remain dubious--

Posted by: Ray Gray | August 30, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

The first African American man to be able to have an opportunity to be president, that statement of African American Man has been hushed it is a bad thing if it is brought up and looked at like racism and the sad part would most likely cost him the election if it was talked about to often. The part that is wrong is we can talk about a women cracking the ceiling and being the first and the pride behind the women movement all day, in fact if you talk about the women issue long enough and hard enough it might help you win the election. Talking about the African American issue loud and proud might cost you the election.

Posted by: William White | August 30, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Mr.McCain's V.P pick is an interesting choice. It is likely to sway in the minds of younger voters most, in an election year where young votes will be surprisingly high. I think the results may be close in many regions, but I see Mr. McCain's pick as a hedge bet to progress his party a little and place the Republican's in a more interesting stance to counter Mr. Obama's administration in four years. It is easy to say Mr. McCain is wrong, because President Bush is wrong on certain issues. It is harder to find where Obama has been wrong. For instance Obama is known for being right on his stance on the conflict in Iraq. However Obama did propose to the media at the time that Pakistan be selected as a target. The Commander and Chief saw it a prudent decision to enter conflict with Iraq alongside with involvement in Afganistan, knowing full well a projection of American casualties in a worse case scenario. Ask yourself what would U.S. casualties be over these past five years if we had waged ground war in Pakistan instead of Iraq??? Perhaps Iraq was a wrong move, but perhaps Pakistan would have been a wrong move as well. Certainly war should be a hard decision to call when American lives stand by your decision. Personally I like Joe Lieberman I would like to see him as the Independant nominee. If he runs I may go with Joe, otherwise I tend to lean left. I feel lucky however, to have three good choices.

Posted by: Jack Dailey | August 30, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

McCain has a gambler's instincts. Do we want him making life-and-death decisions in the White House?

Posted by: JimR | August 30, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

McCain's choice of Palin is an odd favor for his friend Ted Stevens, whose re-election bid is taking a bath over an unfolding corruption investigation.
If voters cast a straight ticket, the GOP retains their senate seat there, even if Stevens winds up being replaced.
Only of Alaskans split their ticket, voting for Palin as VP and the democrat for Senate will the GOP lose this seat, unless they decide to vote for Obama.
The 2008 race is about the SENATE as well folks, and these are part of the insider's calculations, beyond doubt.
The democrats have lots of work to do here if they are to make the changes in DC that they are seeking.
Alaska has been outside the mainstream media's attention forever, and to bring their uniquely oil financed culture, and a governor whose family income is directly dependent on the oil industry's success, we have yet another vice presidential pick with oil at the center of their personal lives...

Posted by: Wary of the oil connection. | August 30, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

It amazes me how a majority on this blog dont have an attention span past 30 seconds. I keep hearing about Obamas lack of experience. If i remember correctly he talked about pulling out of Iraq 10 months ago, while McCain and Bush kept pushing to stay and saying timelines only help the enemy. So what is Bush doing now? Doing what Obama has been saying he will do once in office. I dont know about you but i have never seen the WH do what a presidential candidate says they will do. Bush wont admit it but you can thank Obama for helping get our troops home in the next couple of years.

Also on the womens issue, i keep seeing over and over about how now they will vote GOP because a woman is VP and some are so proud the had their daughters watch. I guess they had never heard of Geraldine Ferraro, she was a VP pick in 84. So do you not realize a woman has been selected as a VP pick before or are you just hung up on this Hillary thing still?

Posted by: American First | August 30, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

My take on the so called success of the surge is that Mukata Al-Sadr has told his militia to lay low and quite fighting Americans.- The moment he changes his mind and lets them loose again, the "surge effect" will be gone, and Sunni-Shia fighting will erupt, and US troops will be in the middle again of that 1350 year old fight.
McCain's faith in the surge is entirely misplaced and without a real basis.

Posted by: Gunther Steinberg | August 30, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Palin is the Harriet Meyers of the McCain campaign.

Posted by: Gene Barnes | August 30, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

she is married to Big Foreign Oil, or at least married to a Big FOreign Oil exec.

four more months!

four more months!

four more months!

four more months!

four more months!

Posted by: same old, same old... | August 30, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

To Blissfully Ignorant: Your nickname says it all. You did nothing but provide conjecture as fact and called out Hillary and Biden's criticism of Obama's "inexperience,"... which was legit FOR THEM as both have much more experience.

To equate Palin's experience to Obama's shows a distinct ignorance. She manages a cash flush state with very few people, a state so sparcely populated and rich it can afford to pay everyone a subsidy of over $1000. Alaska wouldn't even rate as a major city population wise. Obama represented a DISTRICT in Chicago that was comparable in size to Alaska. It's backwater state and to imply that her political credentialas are comparable shows just how ridiculous and desperate the wrong-wing is.

Add to that, she has no national or international experience. She has no positions of any real substance and, in fact, appeals very strongly to the lunatic fringe. She has almost no credibility on any major issue.

That's your VP. Good luck with that.

Posted by: James King | August 30, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

As far as the Obama experience issue being "off the table": As an independent voter not looking through a knee-jerk party prism, I'd rather have an inexperienced Palin in the co-pilots seat than an even more inexperienced Obama behind the main controls.

Posted by: Dr. Dave | August 30, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse


Sarah is running for VP!!

Baby Barack is running for President!!

No comparison regarding back ground on day one. And on day two, Sarah's resume(VP) for President will be far beyond Obama's today!!!!

Posted by: Jeff Crocket | August 30, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

"LOL. Sarah Palin can cook. She can clean. She can fish. She can hunt. She can balance the state budget. She took on the old boy network. She faced down the oil industry in a state where they are in the industry. She sold the state jet and flies commercial. She drives herself to work every day. She's nursing a baby while sending a son to go fight in Iraq. She's giving a 1200 dollar oil dividend to her state citizens. She even looks hot in a suit!

You Dems are in BIG trouble. Looks like old McCain has picked Wonder Woman for the job."

Great POST!

Posted by: Dr. Dave | August 30, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Some liberal moron posted to this thread that the first duty of the President of the United States is to protect and defend the United States.

Actually, that is the job given to our Armed Forces.

The President of the USA represents the Administrative Branch of our Federal Government. Per the Constitution, the Federal Government is charged with raising and maintaining armies for the common defence (of the States).

Congress is charged with declaring war, as Congress represents the will of the people.

So moron, since your premise is invalid, your argument is not cogent. Because your agrument is not cogent, you actually have no argument at all.

Go play with yourself in some corner where you will be out of the way of adults that actually possess a brain cell.

I'll admit it takes moxy to enter a battle of wits unarmed, but really you shouldn't play in water above your head.

Posted by: midgardserpent | August 30, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Palin choice is the best thing that can happen to GOP and to McBush oval office apsirations. Obama is already regreting his snobbing Hillary. obama is definitely shivering on the consequences of disrespecting women in this race. Already the landslied theory is long gone and now Obama is struggling to stay afloat. Despite the Europe trip, despite the Biden choice, despite the 84k audience, despite the DNC convention, despite the worst economy in 2 centuries, despite, the worst bush presidency, despite the unjust Iraq war, despite the GOP corruptions etc, Obama is still tied or below McBush in the polls. It could have been worst for Obama. I wish he can look himself in the mirror and see whose fault it is that he is loosing the race. Obama will blame every body else but himslef when he loose.

Posted by: Dressy Pink | August 30, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Well done Mccain, I am going to vote for you. I love Palin.

Posted by: prince1 | August 30, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

If you people think that someone who is as staunchly anti-abortion as Palin - even in cases of rape and incest - will appeal to independent women and young voters than you have another think coming to you.

McCain made the move to solidify his base; but Portman and Romney would have been stronger picks.

National security conservatives - at least those with national reputations and exposure - are in a bind now. McCain has put them in a position where, when asked if the McCain/Palin ticket is safe for America, they have to either lie or not support their party.

It was a wicked, cynical pick. McCain is not a maverick; he's an arse.

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 30, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

It's simple -- who has more executive experience -- Obama vs Palin?

Palin is as qualified or as un-qualified as Obama.

As usual, the Dems will underestimated their opponents -- just ask Gore & Kerry, they couldn't even defeat George W. Bush.

Posted by: Mark J | August 30, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

midgardserpent:

The first priority for POTUS is to protect the constitution, something Dubya and the GOP have failed to do for over 40 years. Remember Watergate, Iran-contra and now all of Dubyas missteps. Congress grants POTUS war rights but as in Iraq they did not delcare war. And to those who think Palin has more experience as Gov than Obama, Dubya also had experience as a governor here in the great State of Texas, and like the country now we are trying to correct all the mistakes he made. Remember this Alaska has 670,000 residents, Obama won his Senate seat with over 3 million votes.

Posted by: American First | August 30, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Palin has more experience than Obama.

Fact.

Posted by: John | August 30, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"Guns -n- Jesus.. What more could you ask for?"

A typical American Christian, wpuldn't know Christianty if it bit them in the Butt.

Posted by: luke | August 30, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad that McCain did not consider Senators Elizabeth Dole, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski (also from Alaska), or Olympia Snowe. I wonder what they are thinking. They have given their all to the Republican party. They at least have experience dealing with Washington politics. Why Palin?

Posted by: Peggy | August 30, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I've never seen such bad jugment in the Palin pick.

First and foremost, how can you hire someone to be the VP of the US when you've only met them one time six months ago?

The picking of a VP is a candidate's most important decision and tells a lot about their judgment.

He chose to select someone he's met once and only talked to on the phone once prior to picking her.

When I hire new employees at my company we bring them in for several face to face interviews. And that's even if the person is a low-level date entry employee.

If I was hiring a VP or high-level position a simple phone call doesn't cut it....period.

Posted by: Poor judgment by WcCain | August 30, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I heard one CNN reporter say "McCain will learn that you can't just switch one skirt for another and expect women voters not to notice." Brilliant. Up note - I think our national conversation on race has become gratefully more complex and now hopefully, so will the conversation on women. It's about humanity, stupid. Stop trying to package women and minorities into neat little packages. What a year!

Posted by: Katie | August 30, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

If there are enough women like Olive out there - the third poster - this choice could actually back-fire among female voters. An anti-choice gun nut creationist. A real slap in the face to any woman with any intelligence or education. McCain does not respect women, but we already knew that.

Posted by: John in Chicago | August 30, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

If there are enough women like Olive out there - the third poster - this choice could actually back-fire among female voters. An anti-choice gun nut creationist. A real slap in the face to any woman with any intelligence or education. McCain does not respect women, but we already knew that.

Posted by: John in Chicago | August 30, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

By the way, EVERY governor is "commander and chief of the state national guard" - Call the McCain spokespeaople on this Monday morning please, Gene. She has not served in the military and certainly not risen to any rank of leadership.

Posted by: Katie | August 30, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

So because Hussein picks an Old Rich Big Motor Mouth White Guy
(and before the ObaDroids cry "he's not rich" well Joe made over 300,000 last year)
a guy who's only real adult job has been as Senator in DC
a guy guilty, like his master, of plagiarism and lying about it
a guy who declared Hussein not qualified to be president
(hey, even Joe is right once in a while!)
a guy who declared that McCain is qualified and that Joe would be proud to be his VP
(OK, Joe got two things right!)
a guy who wants to chop Iraq into three parts against the will of the Iraqis
and it does go on
well the ObaBots think any VP choice has to be more of this same sameness?

The sad truth is that Palin has more Executive Experience than the Obama bin Bidens combined!
And what pray tell is Hussein's foreign policy experience?
His recent summer vacation in Europe?
As I recall Hussein couldn't be bothered to hold hearings on Afghanistan but now he's suddenly a maven?
Ha Ha Ha!

No the ObaBots have their panties in a twist because they are coming to rue Hussein's petty petty stupidity.
He dissed HRC and all of her fans
He dissed Bill and all of his fans.
He ran the most racist and dishonest campaign in living memory.
And Hussein is going down!

YES WE CAN ELECT
McCAIN/PALIN '08!

Posted by: JamesT | August 30, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

At least Palin will make the election interesting; we are sick of a campaign that has taken almost two years. Obama began with excitement but by now he is old and stale, as is Biden and of course McCain, the 200-year old wonder. Palin has some crazy beliefs about God and all, but this will raise interesting issues. For example, her opposition to all abortion even in the case of rape is logical since if abortion is murder why murder an innocent foetus just because its father was a rapist? We will have a chance to hear about all these things: God and guns and how Jesus saves, etc. It will be exciting and unboring.

Posted by: norman ravitch | August 30, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

If I were a cynical person, I might think that the neocons believe that this would be enough to swing it McCain's way. Once in the White House McCain would survive only the first few months, and then Pihrana Girl gets sworn in as POTUS. Cheney fills the VP slot, and everything is back on course again.

Yes, if I were a cynical person, I would call this the Rove Gambit.

Posted by: QuincyPynke | August 30, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

And, of course, the supposedly liberal media is giving Palin a free pass at a time when they should be asking her what her perspective is on Iraq, Iran, the economy, health care, education, energy independence, and the environment. Someone needs to call her and ask her NOW. And then report on it. Otherwise, the jig is up, and we'll know that Big Media, at the highest and most real levels, is just as corrupt as and is merely a tool for Big Business.

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 30, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

E. Robinson:
"Mitt Romney would have been a polished and effective running-mate, and I'm sure that Tim Pawlenty would have done a creditable job as well. But neither was going to give the campaign a surge of electricity."

I think this pick may just blow the fuses. I can't imagine what "real" Republicans are thinking today. They say they support this, but they are the social conservatives.
I am beginning to think there should be some qualifications for the top jobs in our country. The campaign is pushing that she has been in politics since'92 and has more experience than Obama. She has NO national or international experience. She is patently unqualified to be one heart beat from a 72 year old president.

Posted by: Lynne | August 30, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

his choice for vp is his choice. I think it is great that she is running with McCain. Its critical that we have a process and presidential race that is robust, challenging and that can show the very different visions, and strategies being presented by both parties. Obama/Biden and the DP should embrace this as a great opportunity to advance forward the ideas presented. Change only comes with struggle and in most cases with conflict, debate and challenging one another. I may not agree with the Repub approach to things, and to be frank there are alot of things that i don't agree with the DP approach to things, however, i do ultimately feel that change is good, however painful it is. The past 8 years have been quite dismal by any dem or repub standards. I know because i have seen it with my own eyes while working with those most vulnerable and yet our greatest asset, our children, youth and families. I have seen a targeted divestment in the form of just bad policy and practice at all levels of gov. and private institutions, from our children, youth & famo from low-income communities and of color communities, while seeing a major investments in wars, corporate greed and deregulation beyond any dem. or repub. standards. These policies and practices have sucked the life out of everyday families. If any of the candidates running for pres. and vp, be it the dems., repubs or any 3rd, 4th parties continue and or support the previous 8 years and more(because this situation we are in takes more than eight years to get into) policies of war, greed, selfishness and injustice towards our own fellow Americans and our fellow human beings across the globe then we are all regardless of political or social affiliation or ethnicity, race, gender, religion, etc. going to have a very rough next 20 + years as Americans in this changing world. its not just about the next four years, its about the next 20+. Its about the well over 6 million American children and youth and growing who are out of school and on the streets across this country, its not just about the elit dems and the elite repubs and all of their media, their families and money and political machines! Its about all of our families! We Need Change, and at least not what we got from the past 8 years!

Posted by: in the spirit of democracy | August 30, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

John McCain has proven once and for all just how unsuited he is to be President of the United States. Of course, we were forewarned about his qualifications by none other than several of his fellow Republicans who, in referring to his temper and vindictiveness, have called him “unstable” and have voiced their fears of him being in the “Oval Office”. We have heard about his liking to surround himself with yes-people and about making important decisions with his “gut”. We have heard about his “bullying” tactics both in Congress and throughout his life, earning him the name of McNasty in high school. We know that he has been an “underachiever” all of his life, graduating 5th from the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy and then crashing 5 planes while a pilot in the Navy. Although heroic as a POW, we also know that he collaborated with the enemy in producing several anti-American propaganda tapes.
Since he announced his candidacy for President, we have seen him make two important and presidential-like decisions. The first was putting a campaign team together and the second was choosing a running mate. He has failed miserably in both. His campaign nearly went bankrupt by poor policy decisions and poor management. He has had to fire almost all of his original campaign staff. In fact, if his wife’s money had not bailed him out, he probably wouldn’t have survived long enough to win the nomination. Along the way, he picked Phil Gramm as his economic advisor. The same Phil Gramm who led the de-regulation of the banking and energy industries that are the main culprits for the Enron scandal and the home mortgage crisis. The same Phil Gramm who is called the father of $4 gas. The same Phil Gramm who called us a “nation of whiners”. Now, for his second most important decision, he has picked Sarah Palin for his running mate. Although I don’t know much about her, she seems nice enough. But she is also a person he had only met once before. She is also a person who is currently undergoing an investigation for abuse of power. We also know that the investigation won’t be complete until after the election which raises the possibility that she could be indicted for a felony before she is even sworn in.
What we have seen is a former “Maverick” who, in the last few years, has sold his soul to become President. He is now against almost everything he stood up for during his “Maverick” days. It is sad to see this happen. It reminds me of a star athlete who stays around too long and becomes mediocre.

Posted by: Veteran1 | August 30, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

That woman is dingy as a bat WHAT was mcsame thinkingggg?

Posted by: sharon | August 30, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

It is so amusing to know that in 21st century we have so many minus IQ people still think they are the smartest people on earth in politics.
Selecting Sarah as VP McBush prove how arrogant and whimsical he will be as a president( if he is elected). IF McBush is elected(that will be the darkest day of US),rest of the world will make fun out of us. Putin will be celebrating with Russian vodka and China , and Russia will dump dollars and buy gold and Euros. Your 401(K) will go to toilet and your house prices will go down while you have victory party.Enjoy as long as you can!!!

Posted by: tapandas | August 30, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

The dream team that will top Bush's Executive Experience

President: McCain (to count the number of White Houses)
Vice President: Palin (to take off where Dick Cheney & Monica Goodling left off - firing people you don't like)
Secretary of State: Karl Rove (New levels of International Diplomacy)

Posted by: Sam - PA | August 30, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"Palin has more experience than Obama.

Fact."

I have yet to see that proved. Enlighten me

Posted by: American First | August 30, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

She does have a constituency.

It's not about disenfranchised hillary voters, that is just a distraction. She's there for the fundamentalist conservative base. That's what Dems need to be attacking, not experience or any of that stuff. McCain said he'd pick someone who would reflect his values, are his values really pro-creationism and young earth, militantly anti-gay, anti-choice?

Despite what she says, Palin is just like another Republican governor who came to Washington promising reform and to work across party lines to bring about change. that's why James Dobson and his goons are the ones cheering this decision the loudest, and that's what the Dems need to highlight, and fast.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | August 30, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't it remind you of the the Bush choice of Harriet Meirs for a Supreme Court Justice a couple of years back???
When I heard that she went from being president of the PTA to being a mayor of a small village to governor in the corrupt state of Alaska, I laughed. This is a person who is one heartbeat away from being our president...maybe we could have a bake sale for returning soldiers from a war that should have never been waged.
I hope we are smart enough to realize that she cannot be compared to Hillary's experience.

Posted by: Shari | August 30, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Before anyone utters the words hussein, obama, sosama, McOldie, McBush, could someone answer:

WOULD PALIN HAD BEEN CHOSEN AS VP IF SHE WAS A MAN?

Posted by: KreloK | August 30, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Krelok your are a genius, you summed it up beautifully

Posted by: Nice | August 30, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I knew it. I knew McCain would have Feith in the surge one way or the other.

Posted by: Jim | August 30, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Palin has my respect and admiration . She has an 80% approval rating in alaska ! wow .......She seems to me like a concerned citizen who has some common sense . And yes she believes in God . Wow Liberals can"t stand it that people believe in God ....to them that equates to stupidity ......I wonder what God thinks of liberals .....? She is pro life!!!! I think more women are pro life than people who assume that being a women means you r prochoice .
Palin is raising five Kids too ....what is there not to like ? Any one who has raised a family knows thats real work !!!!! And you get things done .. I love this choice for our country ! She represents us the people in lots of ways ......

I like that . I trust that

Posted by: bob | August 30, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I voted for Bush Twice, I'm pro-life, anti-gay marriage, I support the teaching of creationism in school & would probably love Palin as a friend but I think she is sorely unqualified to be VP and meet the challenges of our global world. Yes, a pick like her might have worked when the world was less complicated but not now...I'v voting for Obama. I like Obama's mind and vision. Biden's experience and hardnosed style is an added bonus.

Posted by: Doesn't Fit the Mold | August 30, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I think the media should concentrate on McCain's psychiatric health rather than his physical health. This pick shows a somewhat child-like, rebellion. McCain doesn't realize this election is not a playground for him to playout his role of a maverick. This war has cost us our financial independence and McCain wants it to continue so he can contine to play wargames. We need smart, sincere, leadership in this country before Iran, China and Russia show up at our front doors demanding to take over. This is not a game McCain. Palin is a political move and not a sincere selection for the American people.

Posted by: Michelle | August 30, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

The actuarial tables for a 72 year old male says that there is about a 1 in 6 chance that he will die with four years. This is like putting one bullet in a six shooter, putting the gun to your head and pulling the trigger. Thus, McCain is playing Russian Roulette with the country by picking a running mate who has no experience in military, international or economic affairs.

His choice of Palin reinforces the argument that it will be a third Bush term because as a fundamentalist Christian, Palin will approach all issues with the same frame of reference that Bush has been.

Posted by: Russuan Roulette | August 30, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Bob,
A majority believe in god. What a majority believe is God has not place in politics or school or any where else. Thats why they have churches. If someone is attacking your church or religion i will be first in line to help. But it has no place in politics. Dubya was like because he was a good Christian, but his legacy is of failure. Goes to show no matter how good a Christian you are you can still suck at politics...

Posted by: Huh | August 30, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

GETTING PALIN ON THE TICKET was strictly a ploy for maximum Evangelical dollars.

Posted by: Goat1 | August 30, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Gunther wrote:

McCain's faith in the surge is entirely misplaced and without a real basis.
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I agree, it's my understanding simply from observing him, listening to him, he has no ability to visualize much less synthesize the many aspects of the war, an inability to see the bigger picture, Iraq just a small part of the larger battle(s), really.

I cringe every time he opens his mouth, feeling almost sorry for him, he seems so befuddled.

Posted by: Plouffe Savage, Jr. | August 30, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Gunther wrote:

McCain's faith in the surge is entirely misplaced and without a real basis.
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I agree, it's my understanding simply from observing him, listening to him, he has no ability to visualize much less synthesize the many aspects of the war, an inability to see the bigger picture, Iraq just a small part of the larger battle(s), really.

I cringe every time he opens his mouth, feeling almost sorry for him, he seems so befuddled.

Posted by: Plouffe Savage, Jr. | August 30, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

The dream team that will top Bush's Executive Experience

President: McCain (to count the number of White Houses)
Vice President: Palin (to take off where Dick Cheney & Monica Goodling left off - firing people you don't like)
Secretary of State: Karl Rove (New levels of International Diplomacy)

Posted by: Sam - PA | August 30, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Senator Palin - other than being a young and articulate female politician - has no worthy experience to become our VP. Having said this, what worthy experience does Senator Obama - other than being a young and articulate African American politician - has to become our President ... ??? ... Food for thought ...

Posted by: Louie | August 30, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Senator Palin - other than being a young and articulate female politician - has no worthy experience to become our VP. Having said this, what worthy experience does Senator Obama - other than being a young and articulate African American politician - has to become our President ... ??? ... Food for thought ...

Posted by: Louie | August 30, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I think McCain has done us Dems a huge HUGE favor by picking what's her name. Could you find anyone less qualified to be one heartbeat away from being the most powerful person in the world? How many of you neo- and other-cons would be comfortable to see that? After all, McCain has lived past his allotted "three-score years and ten" that the Bible says is the life span of people.

The good Gov'ner of AK isn't an angel. She's being investigated for having the supervisor fired who refused to fire her ex-bro-in-law. The guy was, I'll grant you, a low life, but is it the Governor's decision to fire him? Or his supervisor? A president needs to have a little better judgment than that.

Another behind the scenes note, the night before Gov. Goody-Two-Shoes was nominated, an anonymous person attempted to gold-plate her profile on Wikipedia. I guess this is what Senator McCain considers "Change we can believe in." Sounds like Bush-league politics to me!

I was struck by the fact that the Gov is a beauty queen - not unlike Carol McCain, Wife #1, and Cindy McCain, Wife #2. Does JM use this as one of his criteria for selecting people? If you ask me, she's just another pretty face.

Posted by: lionladypa | August 30, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I am sitting here trying to understand what Mr. McCain and his team was thinking about when they selected Gov. Palin as their choice of VP during the upcoming elections.
The only reason I can come up with is that they are showing their contempt for the electorate. It is really something to think about because it was this same mind set that foisted Mr. Bush on the American people and now they have decided to push their contempt to the limit.
After critising Mr. Obama for being too young and inexperienced, they are now trying to promote a young woman whose last substantive position was leading a city with a population of approx., 9,000 persons. They are now trying to convince America that after being governor of Alsaka for less than two years, she has developed the expertise to run a Trillion Dollar + economy. What madness are they proposing or is this how they are attempting to equate the education and experiences of Mr. Obama and Mr Biden?
Granville Brown

Posted by: Granville Brown | August 30, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Louie:

How about education then? we can compare... shall we?

Of Barack Obama:
Following high school, Obama moved to Los Angeles, where he studied at Occidental College for two years.[8] He then transferred to Columbia University in New York City, where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations.[9] Obama graduated with a B.A. from Columbia in 1983, then worked for a year at the Business International Corporation[10] and then at the New York Public Interest Research Group.[11][12]

After four years in New York City, Obama moved to Chicago to work as a community organizer for three years from June 1985 to May 1988 as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman, and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side.[11][13] During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from 1 to 13 and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.[14] Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute.[15] In mid-1988, he traveled for the first time to Europe for three weeks then Kenya for five weeks where he met many of his Kenyan relatives for the first time.[16]

Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988 and at the end of his first year was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review based on his grades and a writing competition.[17] In his second year he was elected president of the Law Review, a full-time volunteer position functioning as editor-in-chief and supervising the law review's staff of 80 editors.[18] Obama's election in February 1990 as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review was widely reported and followed by several long, detailed profiles.[18] He graduated with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991 and returned to Chicago where he had worked as a summer associate at the law firms of Sidley & Austin in 1989 and Hopkins & Sutter in 1990.

FOR SARAH PALIN (from her own website):
She received a bachelor of science degree in communications-journalism from the University of Idaho in 1987. Palin, who graduated from Wasilla High School in 1982, has lived in Skagway, Eagle River and Wasilla.

Posted by: Miss Manners | August 30, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Just watched Obama slam McCain for half an hour.

Anyone who ever bought the notion that Obama was going to be a different kind of post-partisan politician has been played for a fool.

There is nothing different about this guy except his stunning lack of an discernable accomplishments beyond getting elected and writing his memoirs. This guy is the liberal Bob Roberts.

Posted by: rmorrow | August 30, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Which is less palatable voting for an inexperienced president or an inexpeienced vice president

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

It is interesting to see the number of posts that are comparing Obama with Palin. I think this plays to exactly what the GOP wants to have happen.

None of us know Palin well enough to know if she is remotely qualified for the job, but if you really feel strongly about, then don't you have to think very hard about electing Obama?

On other points - there is an awesome interview with General Petraeus in Newweek recently - worth reading unless you have already made up your mind. His is the kind of thoughtful leadership there we needed three years earlier - or perhas, not at all!

Posted by: grieschel | August 30, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I am finding it really amusing that all the Obama supporters are citing Palin's lack of experience as an issue ... while ignoring Obama's! Palin is not contesting for the post of commander-in-chief ... Obama is. And of the four candidates, she is the only one with executive experience!

Given the number of times he has changed his standing on various matters since he started his campaign, if he does get elected, he will be a completely spineless President!

Obama speaks well ... so he should go to Hollywood! He has so many friends there anyways ...

Posted by: Nick | August 30, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Let's not forget Sarah Palin's other relevant experience. As governor of the State of Alaska, she lives in a capital with no roads past Berner's Bay. She'll be terrific choosing and deciding major transportation issues.

Likewise as a former mayor of a city with a population of 8000, she'll be absolutely impressive in setting urban policy for the megalopolis that extends from Washington to Boston. Mayor Giuliani might be able to get some pointers - after all he ran for president.

Finally, as Governor of the State of Alaska, I'm sure she will have an amazing amount of understanding to help California balance its budget as it competes in the global economy.

By the way, isn't it true that the bulk of the oil that comes from Alaska flows to Asia? What more international experience should America expect in a leader?

Posted by: Harry Lepnick | August 30, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I really can't understand why Republicans call McCain a “maverick” for doing something we Democrats did 20 years ago. They're always way behind when it comes to advancing the issues of women and minorities. Yet, I do have to give the Republicans credit for breaking ground by nominating a senior citizen.

Posted by: Geritol | August 30, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

McCain may have been a maverick when he ran for president in 2000, but he sure ain't one now. Numbers don't lie -- over the past four years, McCain's senate voting record has been an average of 95% in favor of whatever Bush wanted. I guess that makes him 5% maverick. With a 5% maverick, you've got a 20:1 shot at him doing something different than what Bush would do. Or to put it another way, a vote for McCain would be the same as voting to give Bush 3 more years in the White House. I sure wouldn't want to bet the country on those odds.

Posted by: emm2 | August 30, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin: smart, resourceful, outspoken, gutsy, photogenic, courageous, exciting, committed, decisive, admired by many... and absolutely not ready for prime time. Maybe in another four to eight years.

Get real people, McCain has one foot in the grave and this is what he brings on board to lead our nation should he die or become unable to function? What was he thinking? Unbelievable...

Posted by: letsgetreal | August 30, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

When Americans go to vote, the most significant deciding factor will be Obama's lack of judgement -- and all that will be remember is his judegement in choosing his Pastor, his mentor:

"Not God bless America, but God damn America"

And McCain/Palin will win!!

Posted by: Mark J | August 30, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Here's the comparison. When John F Kennedy, the youngest President elect, ran in 1960, he picked Lyndon Johnson, a man who could've run the country. Kennedy died and Johnson did a fine job.

Ronald Reagan, the oldest President elect, picked George Bush, a man who could've done a decent job as President and did. Remember two months into his presidency, Reagan was shot at and nearly died. Bush would've done just fine.

John McCain, 72, a cancer survivor and a frail looking guy, had picked Sarah Palin, who has 20 months experience of being the governor of approximately 650,000 people. How in the world is she expected deal with Putin, Ahmadinejad, whoever the Pakistani leader is, Karzai, Maliki etc if something happens to McCain. This is madness. It's not being sexist. It's an utter foolish and extremely volatile reaction to the Obama convention speech. She has a baby who is 5 months old with DownSyndrome. How is she going to campaign with a baby who needs so much attention? How is this being fair to the country or to that child?

This is a horrible decision with his first "presidential" decision.

Posted by: Hasan | August 30, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Morrow, I think the reason the race is so close is because so many alleged Christians suffer from a sickness in their souls, namely racism.

Posted by: scientist1 | August 30, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

This was an insane decision. Why doesn't anyone in the press say it like it is? Palin is in no way qualified to be VP. With this decision, McCain has proven that he does not have the judgement to be Commander in Chief of this great Country. He is reckless and foolish.

Posted by: NCvoter | August 31, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

For me as an educated Republican, I was happy to learn McCain spent a few hours with her for the first time before announcing that Bush had selected her as his running mate. It was a proud moment for me to see McCain following commands so, so, Maverickly…My son said in his last letter to me from Iraq – RESPECT. And that’s what I have for McCain.
And seriously who can argue with me? Just look at the last 8 years. DAMN good years to be an American. Hey I might not be able to afford going to the hospital BUT AT LEAST I HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE IN DEBT! Now where ELSE can you say THAT? And I am comfortable knowing that with McCain at the helm I would be guaranteed that for another four years. So I’m staying with what I know!
Thank goodness Palin is pro-life – because I believe its better to save them in the womb and send them off by the thousands to be murdered for our freedom from that big tyrant Iraq.
Passion? Who needs passion in politics? Them Democrats with the silly idea that there is anything to hope for, and believing in unity. Just stay off my yard is all I’m sayin.

McCain = Familiar Pain 08!

Posted by: Ronald V | August 31, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

For me as an educated Republican, I was happy to learn McCain spent a few hours with her for the first time before announcing that Bush had selected her as his running mate. It was a proud moment for me to see McCain following commands so, so, Maverickly…My son said in his last letter to me from Iraq – RESPECT. And that’s what I have for McCain.
And seriously who can argue with me? Just look at the last 8 years. DAMN good years to be an American. Hey I might not be able to afford going to the hospital BUT AT LEAST I HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE IN DEBT! Now where ELSE can you say THAT? And I am comfortable knowing that with McCain at the helm I would be guaranteed that for another four years. So I’m staying with what I know!
Thank goodness Palin is pro-life – because I believe its better to save them in the womb and send them off by the thousands to be murdered for our freedom from that big tyrant Iraq.
Passion? Who needs passion in politics? Them Democrats with the silly idea that there is anything to hope for, and believing in unity. Just stay off my yard is all I’m sayin.

McCain = Familiar Pain 08!

Posted by: Ronald V | August 31, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Something tells me Gene is crying himself to sleep tonight. A lead was squandered in this race and he now knows it.

Posted by: Mark | August 31, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

At first blush it was a remarkable politically motivated pick but beneath the covers it is further evidence of John McCain's faulty temperment and judgment. In trusting his instincts, he clearly made a call from the gut. A call to undercut the "experience" message that was making inroads on Obama's primary weakness in this election. A decision to take a relatively unknown small state governor who has held such office for less than 2 years whose previous significant experience was mayor of a small Alaskan town but more importantly someone who has never demonstrated any interest or substantive knowledge of the critical national and international issues that this nation is currently facing.

You can raise the invited Obama "experience" counter argument to thinly defuse and deflect the central point of the position all you want but it was clearly a political, desperate and reckless pick. A pick illustrative of Senator McCain's shoot from the hip style. A style where analysis gives weigh to the hubris and arrogance of a person who proudly relies more on his instincts than his intelligence. From such a description, I think I have seen this movie before...for the past 8 years.

Ultimately, with such judgment and temperment, it clear from this Republican's chair, that it is Senator McCain who has put his ability to lead in question. Governor Palin may represent change given her gender and interesting outsider journey, but this is the not the type of change that matters or needed at this juncture. Yes, this election is about change, change in how we view government and our individual responsibility, change in how the world views us and our role in a more dangerous arena than we have ever faced before, and change in how we view ourselves of who we are as a people, and what we ultimately can be. This is a moment for a great step forward. Unfortunately, McCain/Palin is simply more of the same at a time we cannot afford to remain on such a dangerous path.

Posted by: SPC | August 31, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

I try to be even-minded for these elections. Though I generally lean Democratic I have no problem giving each side an honest look (unfortunate that I come from a non-swing state). That being said, I have just a couple of observations.

First, it is indeed very amusing to watch both sides effectively swap positions now that the "experience" argument has just been turned on its head. Very little brings more joy than watching otherwise intelligent, rational politicians all simultaneously shoot themselves in the foot. It's joyous because everyone loses equally and we all get some entertainment in the process.

Second (and more seriously), I have to say that McCain's pick does smack of tokenism/pandering. I simply cannot swallow that of all the people he could have chosen, he picks someone with less experience than his opponent - someone he'd only met on *two* brief occasions. It's reasonable to assume that he would have plenty of support from his base come November no matter who he picked, so why Palin, if not for her conservative bona fides?

My first personal instinct (which I think many people do trust) is that he simply wanted to deny Obama the sole ownership of the "history-making" mantle, if you will. This seems to be a way of leveling that particular playing field.

The problem inherent in this tactic appears two-fold: Early burnout being one, and a perceived "shark-jumping" being the other. Assuming independent voters don't immediately feel too flummoxed and give her the benefit of the doubt for now, her novelty will soon wear off and she will be extensively grilled. So, unless she's good with Cliff Notes she could make Dan Quayle look like Adlai Stevenson.

In conclusion, I think McCain did the wrong thing for the right reason. If he was truly interested in both elevating a woman to the vice presidency as well as fortifying his ticket, he would have looked far wiser by choosing someone with substance such as Kay Bailey Hutchinson (please pardon any misspellings) or Olympia Snowe.

Things being as they are, it does look like he just wanted a cheap "wow" factor. If it turns out she has some legitimate chops then that changes things, but her short record doesn't make that look probable.

Sorry right-leaners, that's just this particular person's take.

Posted by: BlueDevil | August 31, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Okay James King here goes..typical of the left you lead with your pseudo intellect thinking anyone with a different opinion is a inferior.

Quote: "Add to that, she has no national or international experience. She has no positions of any real substance and, in fact, appeals very strongly to the lunatic fringe. She has almost no credibility on any major issue."

That description is Obama in a nutshell and he is your PRESIDENT...he is supposed to lead the country. Palin will not be leading...that will be McCain's job. She never said Obama wasn't qualified.. his own party did that job for her. In fact his own running mate said it and if Biden with his experience has the right to say it then by your definition so does John McCain. And in reality, they are right.

Obama has a paper thin record of accomplishments in government. And the only ones he has are at the local government level(check the Chicago newspapers to see how his policies went over---not well). He has absolutely no international experience to speak of(except a photo-op trip overseas)...hence his selection of Joe Biden. A wise choice but it was essentially an acknowledgement of his most glaring weakness. There is no conjecture here...it is the truth. "Iran is small country that could not hurt the US" " Yes, I would sit down with ANY world leader without pre conditions" "The surge is working but its not working" Earth to Obama, the reason Patreus is going to recommend the second consecutive troop draw down is because the surge is working...without it we wold still be mired in this war and you voted against it.

These are not comforting statements for a would be president to be making..it showed his lack of experience and naivete...Look at his response to the Russia-Georgia conflict..very meek at first and non committal..only after he drew fire for his indecisiveness did he begin to talk like McCain did from day one...

His policy shifts with the wind...he is now for wiretapping, he suppported the Supreme Courts decision on the second amendment, he wants to send more troops to Afghanistan, he waffles between setting a timetable for withdraw from Iraq and saying he will assess the situation on the ground and confer with his military leaders and now he is agreeing that some offshore oil drilling is a good idea(why: Florida and Georgia are all for it)...he is beginning to sound like George Bush...

As for domestic policies, well his speech said it all...same old Democratic tax and spend baloney...he had nothing new to offer..He is not an agent of change. For all his brilliance and his incredible oratory skills, he morphed into the persona of every other Democrat that has come before him...It is too bad because if he had backed up his speech giving skills with some really great ideas that had substance he would be unbeatable.

For McCain, he needed youth and energy on the ticket. He needed a person from a working class background with a son in Iraq to go up against Biden's story(he has the same one) and to help shed the image of a rich, out of touch elite. The Hillary supporters actually think this choice is all about them. Does anyone really believe it was just about women voters? And by the way, there are young, women voters who are pro-life etc...who will probably be energized by this selection..others will just be inspired by her run from "hockey mom" to VP...and yes others won't...but that is the way all decisions go.

Historically this country never really elects senators because senators don't really do anything. They just vote on bills...if I am not mistaken the last senator elected to Pres was JFK...governors are often elected to the Presidency because of their executive experience: they balance budgets, manage crises, work with both parties, etc...they actually govern. While you can be an elitist and knock Alaska as a backwater state, it still requires executive experience. What is so funny about your statements is: you are willing to overlook Obama's paper thin legislative record and absolutely no executive experience or international experience and he is running for President yet she is the VP and you chide her for having accomplished nothing. She is a very popular governor in the United States..last time I checked that was a pretty big deal regardless of the state(wasn't Clinton governor of Arkansas, last time I checked that could be considered backwater too). Are there more experienced politicians out there sure...more experienced for both Republicans and Democrats...problem for us is the Democrats picked the least experienced for President...at least the Republicans saved that "honor" as their VP...

Blissful

Posted by: Blissfully Ignorant | August 31, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

I try to be even-minded for these elections. Though I generally lean Democratic I have no problem giving each side an honest look (unfortunate that I come from a non-swing state). That being said, I have just a couple of observations.

First, it is indeed very amusing to watch both sides effectively swap positions now that the "experience" argument has just been turned on its head. Very little brings more joy than watching otherwise intelligent, rational politicians all simultaneously shoot themselves in the foot. It's joyous because everyone loses equally and we all get some entertainment in the process.

Second (and more seriously), I have to say that McCain's pick does smack of tokenism/pandering. I simply cannot swallow that of all the people he could have chosen, he picks someone with less experience than his opponent - someone he'd only met on *two* brief occasions. It's reasonable to assume that he would have plenty of support from his base come November no matter who he picked, so why Palin, if not for her conservative bona fides?

My first personal instinct (which I think many people do trust) is that he simply wanted to deny Obama the sole ownership of the "history-making" mantle, if you will. This seems to be a way of leveling that particular playing field.

The problem inherent in this tactic appears two-fold: Early burnout being one, and a perceived "shark-jumping" being the other. Assuming independent voters don't immediately feel too flummoxed and give her the benefit of the doubt for now, her novelty will soon wear off and she will be extensively grilled. So, unless she's good with Cliff Notes she could make Dan Quayle look like Adlai Stevenson.

In conclusion, I think McCain did the wrong thing for the right reason. If he was truly interested in both elevating a woman to the vice presidency as well as fortifying his ticket, he would have looked far wiser by choosing someone with substance such as Kay Bailey Hutchinson (please pardon any misspellings) or Olympia Snowe.

Things being as they are, it does look like he just wanted a cheap "wow" factor. If it turns out she has some legitimate chops then that changes things, but her short record doesn't make that look probable.

Sorry right-leaners, that's just this particular person's take.

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Posted by: BlueDevil | August 31, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Senator McCain is an avid gambler, with an unsteady temperament, and he is in utopia looking at a nation holding its breath at ransom in a way only he could.

Who cares about country? The thrill of it all is worth every milli-second for this old soldier!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse


The Black racism that has gone unspoken of in America has got to stop. White racism, and racism of all kind need to end also. I am a black man who do not support Obama, because Abortion is Pre-meditated Murder, Homosexuality births the extinction of nations, and under an Obama Administration real Christians have no voice, but most certainly face persecution. Barack Obama win the black vote hands down. why?

Simply because he is a black man. Yes it is true we are discriminated against, but wake up Black America, we are not the only race that have faced discrimination and slavery. We are very racist ourselves. Even against each other.

"WAKE UP BLACK AMERICA!"

Martin Luther King fought and died for equality for all races, not just us.

Bring on John McCain and Palin 08!

Posted by: Michael Wright | August 31, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

All of this bickering makes me so tired. Some of you need to grow up, do your own research and stop parroting talking heads that get paid good money to stir the pot. You can Google, can't you? Great! Now try to keep an open mind, and read everything you can find on ALL of the candidates. And don't forget to go to Fact Check.org.

One of the reasons Bush won twice is because his lies were repeated over and over and became "truth". I see the same thing happening again on both sides.

As an independent voter, I do have one simple question about McCain's choice of Palin. I'm female so am allowed to ask if a male had the same resume, would McCain have even considered him? He includes her PTA duties in her years of elected office. Isn't that a bit of a stretch?

Posted by: fralene | August 31, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

If Sarah Palin is so wonderful, just why is her own mother-in-law unsure of who she will vote for??

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/republican_race/2008/08/30/2008-08-30_sarah_palins_motherinlaw_uncertain_about.html

Mrs. Palin has no experience with business (the majority of people in Alaska work for the government); no experience with national security; no experience with foreign policy; and no experience with the U.S. Constitution, large city infrastructure; immigration; the economy or national health care!

Obama's experience?? He beat the Clintons, who "owned" the Democratic Party and ran a flawless campaign. He wrote two best selling books (not using someone else to write them like McNasty) and graduated at the top of his class from Harvard Law School. Served in the Illinois legislature (just like Abe Lincoln), and served twice as long as Abe did in Washington DC. Senator Obama TAUGHT Constitutional Law! That is the only thing the U.S. President is mandated to do is uphold the U.S. Constitution. You can bet he knows a lot more about the Constitution than McCain or Palen.

McCain graduated at the bottom of his class (lowest 1% from the Naval Academy) and only got in because his daddy was an Admiral, as was his grandad. You can bet he did not get in on his own. Wonder where Palen graduated from that esteemed University of Idaho?? What a joke!!!

Posted by: lxg | September 1, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Mccain may pick up evangelical women, but the majority will look at palin as an opponent on womens issues. No abortion, no birth control, craationism, global warming denier...plus she's a blatant token pick. I'm insulted by that and I'm sure that many other women are too. The gop patronizes women and this further illustrates that point. Disgusting move by McCain, but hey, he called his own wife a cu**, so I'd expect this type of move from him.

This speaks volumes on mccains judgement and decision making. Terrible selection - it's really an insult to all americans - john mccain surely isn't putting "country first".

Obama and Biden are looking stronger every day.

Posted by: julianne | September 1, 2008 4:08 AM | Report abuse

"Look at it this way Robinson. If Palin takes the experience issue off the table for McCain then she also takes the Bush 3rd term issue off the table for Obama."

Posted by: tom007 | August 29, 2008 8:28 PM


Nice pretzel logic Tom, but it doesn't fly. IF you take experience off the table - you remove it for palin and obama - because the mccain camp has been railing on experience. The third term issue would still ride - that is irrelevant to the experience issue.

How can you claim he's a maverick when he's voted WITH bush over 90% of the time?

Talking points aren't substitues for truth.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 4:14 AM | Report abuse

(scratching head)Isn't Alaska the largest state in the Union? hmm, I seem to remember that from grade school. Oh and not to mention the strategic importance of this state, the bitter-cold winters, and the sheer abundance of natural resources this great state offers. Obama was ready to make Alaska a battleground.

Not bigger than brooklyn? Check your facts bra

And they called Hillary voters dumb. WOW

Posted by: Morticia | August 30, 2008 1:03 AM

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Save a big DUH for yourself Morticia -

Since when is a physical land mass able to vote? Yep, Alaska is a large state, but it is scarcely populated. Alaska is ranked 47th in population - in terms of population it is smaller than Brooklyn. WOW!!!! Get it now?

You really shouldn't let your obvious cynicism get in your way, it makes you look...well...to use your own term..."dumb"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 4:28 AM | Report abuse

Anyone that thinks soccer moms are going to vote for mccain just because of palin, you're fooling yourselves. She holds an extremist view on abortion that is well outside of the mainstream. He'll lose more women than he'll gain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 4:42 AM | Report abuse

Yep, mccain pushed obama out of the media's eye, but that's kinda like closing the bar door after the horse is let out. 84000 in attendance and 36 million tv viewers...

The announcement of palin...the objective talk is strongly negative - although the fox talking heads and gop groupies are out lyin' in full force. Theres no bad publicity? Not in this case.

Obama still won this set.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 4:50 AM | Report abuse

If mccain was 12, I'd admire his maverick moniker. At 72 and as a potential president, his "maverick" represents sheer irresponsiblity. Grow up mccain this is a country you're dealing with!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 4:54 AM | Report abuse

Mr.McCain's V.P pick is an interesting choice. It is likely to sway in the minds of younger voters most, in an election year where young votes will be surprisingly high.
Posted by: Jack Dailey | August 30, 2008 1:14 PM

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You are kidding, right? I'm guessing you're over 60 and childless. If you think 23 year old women are going to vote for a woman that wants to outlaw birth control and abortion, I've got a surprise for you. The evangelicals may buy it, but outside that cadre, I think you're way off.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 5:01 AM | Report abuse

Some liberal moron posted to this thread that the first duty of the President of the United States is to protect and defend the United States.

Actually, that is the job given to our Armed Forces.

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The presidents first duty is to protect and defend the CONSTITUTION of the United States. I know that's a foreign concept after 8 years of the bush admin.

Don't be so quick on the name calling, it just diminishes your posts. It was most likely a typo, the intent was clearly recognizable.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 5:06 AM | Report abuse

Palin has more experience than Obama.

Fact.

Posted by: John | August 30, 2008 3:19 PM
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Fact? Hardly, disengenuous talking point is more accurate. You're fooling yourself if you believe this drivel. You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 5:10 AM | Report abuse

Get the damn Republicans OUT of the presidency! Four more years of them makes me want to vomit!

Posted by: me | September 1, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

I think why people keep going republican is because they feel Republicans run the economy better. There were a few years during Reagan's administration that the economy was considered solid. If you had money, you could get 10 percent return just by putting it in the bank. Of course no one middle class or below could afford interest rates on a home. President Bush put it on his agenda to bring home ownership to a high, but with a market downturn, that has brought forclosure to an all time high as well. It would be reasonable to surmise that an intelligent democratic president can turn the current economy around faster, but the logic there is that the trillions going to the middle east would be better served keeping the money in American hands. However if large blocks of money is diverted to the open palms of social welfare, corruption becomes more and more evident. Hard working free market business will risk going bankrupt when federally supported business relying on social programs becomes more and more evident. The least corrupt way of providing for such individuals is an issue that neither party seems to handle well. What quality of life are we responsible for those select few, be it drugs, physical handicap, or mental disorder, who require assistance? When in a time some hard working families are preparing to eat less to afford heating oil.

Posted by: Jack Dailey | September 1, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

For all the talk from Evangelicals about abstinence and morality according to their definitions, he we are with Palins daughter pregnant and unmarried. And whose child is the boy with Down syndrome?

Of course the Evangelicals will minimize it because it suits them to do so, as they spin everything, including the Bible, to suit themselves.

Posted by: sanity | September 1, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Palin's daughter pregnant again?!

I am confused now, am I (a democrat) a liberal or a conservative????!! I would have never had a child at 17! I actually wanted to be married before having a child...

CONFUSED!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

If the president's job is to defend the constitution, then; (a) Bush should be impeached, (b) Cheney should be impeached, and (c), perhaps some members of the Supreme Court should be censured. Just perhaps a constitutional lawyer named Barrack Obama will do a better job of defending the core of the constitution instead of re-writing to suit the administration's needs.

Just a few days after picking Governor Palin to supposedly attract the women's vote, we discover that she has hired a lawyer to defend her against an investigation into her improper firing of the head of the state troopers. We also unfortunately hear that her 17 year old daughter is pregnant and she's OK with that.

Do you not find it weird, that Govenor Palin's resume includes being the president of the local PTA just a few short years ago before she actually entered "politics" in her village of 7000 people? It's being touted as "executive experience" too.

Mrs. Palin is looking more like an Albatross than a former beauty queen.

Posted by: Another Mike | September 1, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

"A lot of these comments are posted by the same people posting over and over and over... Do you think it will do you any good to spout idiotic comments for countless hours? Are you being paid to do this? Have you any shred of a soul?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 1:18 AM "

Guess what "Anonymous", there's alot more postings from you than anyone else here!!??!!

Posted by: NotAnonymous | September 1, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Attention Fellow Republicans: McCain's VP choice: Palin, proves his incompetence. On Nov. 4th I'm writing in Mike Huckabee for President.

Posted by: reaganw | September 1, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

I was a U.S. Marine, and I like Mr. McCain as a the Republican nominee. When I received my medical discharge, I was told the government is not directly interested in a strong military. What we are interested in is to be supported by those who would otherwise not support us, after all this colonel explained to me, if push came to shove we would have the support of the real American fighting men. If you are a recent veteran intimidated by foreign hostility. I would vote for Mr. McCain. If you are an older veteran and want to more assuredly avoid ground combat for our troops in a territory other than Iraq. I would vote for Mr. McCain. If you are a woman and want more employment opportunity, but do not mind making far less money. I would vote for Mr McCain. If you are rich and want to buy more for your money during the sales which prelude out-of-business bankruptcy. Then I would vote for Mr. McCain. If you are Black and want to appear anti-racist to white people around you. I would vote for Mr. McCain. If you are white and uneducated like myself and believe the republicans will not handicap your place in the job market, but don't mind American companies outsourcing jobs to Pakistan. Then go ahead and vote for Mr McCain. However if you are a middle class American who is just a little worried about the run away price of prescription drugs. A little worried about outsourcing jobs to enemy nations, a little worried about the price of fuel, and of healthcare and of education. Then I would vote for Mr. Barrack Obama, along with a Democratic house.

Posted by: Jack Dailey | September 2, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

has anyone noticed that McCain's ads on Obama about raising taxes are deceitful? McCain is intentionally being false. Always check FactCheck.org to find out what is true and false.

If McCain was still that Maverick why did he let the party bully him into not choosing Joe Libermann as his VP running mate?

Posted by: D W | September 2, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

has anyone noticed that McCain's ads on Obama about raising taxes are deceitful? McCain is intentionally being false. Always check FactCheck.org to find out what is true and false.

If McCain was still that Maverick why did he let the party bully him into not choosing Joe Libermann as his VP running mate?

Posted by: D W | September 2, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

I think putting Sarah Palin on the ticket of a major party is a mistake for the Union.

She is untested and unvetted. She may be great, but there is no way to tell.

The nomination is supposed to be this week. That is not enough time to honestly and deeply plumb the matters which would normally be viewed in months of campaigning or years of public service.

Even the facts are in dispute. <===This is the key.
Was she really in the secessionist party?
Was she the PARTY SECRETARY or just a member?
McCain is claiming she was not, but I have seen interviews of other members who commented upon her time while in the party, so I doubt McCain is doing more than putting out smoke to prevent people from coming to grips with the next question:
What speeches did she make as PARTY SECRETARY FOR THE SECESSIONIST PARTY OF ALASKA?

Did she support Alaska to be secede and then become a NATION?
Did she support Alaska to secede and then be a commonwealth like Puerto Rico?
Did she ever speak of running to be president of Alaska?

Since people gave interviews claiming to know her while she was a member of the secessionist group, obviously McCain is a liar on this topic, claiming she was never active in it and that she was only a Republican. It just cannot be true.

So since we have a liar in McCain on this simple fact of her membership and party activism in the separatist movement, I vote to end her participation in the VP process because there is no time to acquire sworn testimony.

As for her being a fundamentalist, that is her right, even though I disagree with the part about fundamentalists making laws of the USA conform to her 'reading' of the Bible, based on a particular out of date Bible, which modern scholarship proves was tainted by re-writes by myth makers. She can have all the faith she wants but I dont see mere faith as capability to deal with complex realities. We have the pure fact that fundamentalists attempt to influence our culture to a degree of their REPRESSED incompetence, such as preventing the young from access to contraceptives on the delusion that abstinence works, when SHE and HER OWN child failed to stay child free while minors, makes me think she is more like Darth Vader than like an innocent preacher. I dont believe a word she says.

So based on the time line, I vote to end her time as VP candidate.

She is not clean, and there is not any time to get to the bottom of it.

The OCT 31 deadline for the abuse of power complaint looks too likely to be pushed back to after the election, now that she has got an attorney, and changed her tune from being cooperative, instead of being moved up to when the electorate could hear the results in mid Oct.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

When does Mccain get tested for signs of incipient Alzheimer's?
How about BEFORE he is nominated?

This is like DONT ASK, DONT TELL.


Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

has anyone noticed that McCain's ads on Obama about raising taxes are deceitful? McCain is intentionally being false. Always check FactCheck.org to find out what is true and false.

The people McCain is appealing to dont have computers.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

CNN is the sexist flag bearer of the liberal party. They are the worst examples of sexism in america.

MSNBC is in Obama's camp but at least they tried to keep the sexism in check. They still failed though.

The surge that McCain is counting on is the actual truth of Palin. She is a good woman who doesn't deserve the horrible treatment she has gotten from the press.

Talk about double standards, why has the press NEVER gone after Obama the same way?

Answer: LIBERAL SEXISM

Posted by: reason | September 3, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I caught Sarah at the convention tonight. She doesn't exactly embody my values. When Hillary ran against Obama she rallied the democrats forward to National Healthcare. We questioned if Hillary should hold the honor of first woman president, after all is national healthcare actually the correct agenda for such a historic nomination. I don't know, perhaps Obama can do just as well with that? However Sarah seemed to rally republicans to steep deeper into war with Iraq during the opening of her speech. She is sending her children to war. . . Would you say Sarah's commitment to war gives her the possibility and the ambitious Honor of being the first woman president? After all John McCain, bless him, is old now and may pass on of old age in office. Sarah will be known as the first woman president. I ask, Will she still rally us to war when she steps in as commander and chief. I want my president to save my ass that I may come home and raise a family, but what do I know, I am a man not a woman. Perhaps the killing fields are a little more important to some people. Perhaps Sarah should walk amongst the women serving in Iraq, and ask them what they think of the experience. I would expect the first woman president to be of exceptional character. Perhaps it's not Hillary, perhaps it should be Sarah. Is war in Iraq neccasary? I don't know, I'm not questioning Bush's decision, but Obama is. Why don't we ask the WWII veterans what they think of Iraq. After all no veteran of any war has matched what they accomplished, and god willing will never have too again. Sarah is not cut of the cloth that makes a president, let alone the first woman president. The first black president should be of exceptional quality as well. He should stir W ashington D.C. and awaken the American conscience.

Posted by: Jack Dailey | September 3, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

I would point out that the experience issue is not "off the table". Republicans put their more-inexperienced candidate SECOND on their ticket. Democrats put their more-inexperienced candidate FIRST on their ticket. I think the former plan is what most people do: junior member assists senior member, not vice-versa.

And yes, Obama makes people feel good. Even when he recycles 1980's liberal philosophies as "compromise".

Posted by: Wayne | September 4, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

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