You Go, Bill!

It was a good speech. Couldn't ask for anything more than what he said tonight. It was a tough loss for his wife. But with class and style both he and Hillary came through.Even though many I expect wanted them to fail.I hope the Obama campaign will welcome them in the coming months and future. Their brilliance should not be put aside but instead be part of the team to keep Democrats strong.

Bill did great. And the PUMA people will have to come to rational terms with Hillary's loss in their own way. For some that will mean drama right into the voting booth. That's fine, everybody has their stuff.

From The West Wing's "2162 Votes"
"We all live lives of imperfection and yet we cling to the fantasy that there's a perfect life and that our leaders should embody it, but if we expect our leaders to live on some higher moral plane than the rest of us, well, we're just asking to be deceived. Now, it's been suggested to me this week that I should try to try to buy your support with jobs and the promise of access' it has been suggested to me that party unity is more important than your democratic rights as delegates. That's right, it's not and you have a decision to make. Don't vote for us because you think we're perfect. Don't vote for us because of what we might be able to do for you only. Vote for the person who shares your ideals, your hopes, your dreams. Vote for the person who most embodies what you believe we need to keep our nation strong and free. And when you have done that you can go back ... [home]... with your head held high and say, 'I am a member of the Democratic Party.'" - Matt Santos (jimmy Smits)

Home run. The type of valedictory speech Hillary should have given. Bill took himself out of the picture entirely; it was about Barack from start to finish. Total redemption from Bill's boorish behavior during the primaries.

Yup, you got that right. The Democratic Party better get ready to salute John McCain.

Not b/c Bill didn't make the case.
Not b/c Hillary didn't make the case.

But b/c there is no case to be made for Obama. He has no experience. Name one thing he's done for which he gets credit on the national or international scene. Just one thing. Name one thing that entitles him to lead 300 million people, face off with Putin, deal with the N.Koreans, the Iranians, etc.

Bill did his best. But you gotta have something to work with, for God's sake.

I love Bill.
I love Hillary.

I am voting for McCain.

His work with Rick Lugar on securing loose nukes in Russia, his support of veterans is second only to Senator Patty Murray

here is the ratings of Mccain and Obama see for yourself who has the better record

Here are their records, they speak for themselves: from Vote Smart website http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=53270&type=category&category=66&go.x=13&go.y=13

2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 20 percent in 2006.

2006 In 2006 Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America gave Senator McCain a grade of D.

2006 Senator McCain sponsored or co-sponsored 18 percent of the legislation favored by the The Retired Enlisted Association in 2006.

2005 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 25 percent in 2005.

From VoteSmart website for Obama

2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 80 percent in 2006.

2006 In 2006 Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America gave Senator Obama a grade of B+.

2006 Senator Obama sponsored or co-sponsored 12 percent of the legislation favored by the The Retired Enlisted Association in 2006.

2005 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 92 percent in 2005.

The GI Bill was another example of support for veterans and their families, Senator Obama fully supported Senator Jim Webbs legislation, Senator McCain was publicly opposed to it, and stated that the Pentagon told him that it would hurt retention and with the new benefits to many veterans would leave the service to attend college, while other people were stating that the bill would enable the recruiters to more easily.

explain to me a disabled veteran why McCain would make a better President than Barack Obama would be for the veterans and their families and military families? I don't see it.

I dare say that the Democratic party is unifying. Vote Democratic!

yippee!

Lesley -- Voting for McCain. How does that represent 'love' and respect for the Clintons? Does McCain represent the policies the Clintons support, the issues they work for, the legislation and policies they back, the successes of President Clinton's eight-year administration?
By taking McCain's side, then you truly don't belive in what the Clintons stood for -- what they stand for. Hillary made the case; her husband made the case. And now you're slapping both in the face.
Although there were hard feelings after the primaries, the Democrats put forward two strong, brilliant candidates who inspired voters to register, to vote, to participate in a process most take for granted.
In this election, to dismiss Obama is to dismiss the party the Clintons have worked for, for their entire political careers. That isn't love, that's a grudge.
Plus, Hillary Clinton is sure to have a powerful role in the Senate during Obama's administration. Just because she didn't get the nomination doesn't mean she won't have an important role in the direction of the country.

i'm glad the clintons helped themselves, but i'm not voting for obama.

ps: marie- that's the point: the dismiss the democratic party. the party must pay for its foolishness. four more years sees like suitable punishment.

President Clinton:
I was disappointed by your conduct during the primaries, but you really made up for it with your speech tonight. It was the best speech of the convention so far, and given Michelle and Hillary's speeches, that's saying something. I imagine it was difficult. Know that it was appreciated.

Ya know, what I value most about my country is that it has a Constitution and Bill of Rights which protect my rights as an individual. Freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of religion, etc.

Nowhere do I see a requirement to "fall in line". That is a statement I associate with China or Russia. Not the U.S.!

So I welcome Obama's solicitation of my vote - and I will vote based on what I think the candidates have to offer. But you're dreaming if you think I will "fall in line" by party command !!!

Proud Puma: the Democratic Party must pay?? I'm not sure what you're proud of, but I'm a proud American above all. This election is about our COUNTRY, our families, our homes, our futures. OUR LIVES. This is reality, not a reality show. My Republican Party has taught me shame and taken us all over a cliff. Our nation is in free-fall and needs a parachute. I encourage others like you to help restore sanity, security and stability. Pledge support and votes for Obama/Biden and the Democratic Party.

Jonathan Capehart, I see nothing's changed with you. Still the go-along, get-along type; working for the right-wing Washington Post. Part of the problem, dawg. You're so desperate to be part of the centers of power that you're not credible to monitor them.

At least I hope you've lost the bow ties; hard to tell from that pic.

Yup, you got that right. The Democratic Party better get ready to salute John McCain.

Not b/c Bill didn't make the case.
Not b/c Hillary didn't make the case.

But b/c there is no case to be made for Obama. He has no experience. Name one thing he's done for which he gets credit on the national or international scene. Just one thing. Name one thing that entitles him to lead 300 million people, face off with Putin, deal with the N.Koreans, the Iranians, etc.

Bill did his best. But you gotta have something to work with, for God's sake.

I love Bill.
I love Hillary.

I am voting for McCain.

Posted by: Lesley | August 28, 2008 12:07 AM
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What BS.

Name one great thing McCain has done. You can't because McCain has done nothing for 72 years other than promote himself.

And explain why a supposed admirer of Clinton would vote for a man will bring back most of the same 3000 high level appointees who have been running the country for the past 7.5 years and against someone who would put in place pretty much the same 3000 high level appointees that would be there if Hilary Clinton had won the nomination and election.

Seems to the Puma contributuor that her interests are more important than the country's needs. I am sure she could explaain to the widow of a soldier killed in Afghanistan why her interest are paramount - and the nations interests come down the line. I am proud to have supported Hillary Clinton, but the Democratic Party has spoken, now I have a choice between Obama and McCain. To me my concern about America's needs tops the list and the feeling that "MY" candidate didn't win come way down the list.

I love Bill.
I love Hillary.

I am voting for McCain.

Posted by: Lesley | August 28, 2008 12:07 AM
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Ugh. Then you have no moral compass defining your political beliefs.

I'm not saying you have no morals at all, mind you, only that if you believe for one second that John McCain will advance policies closer to that of the Clintons than Obama, then you are crazy.

You wrote: "Name one thing that entitles him to lead 300 million people, face off with Putin, deal with the N.Koreans, the Iranians, etc."

(OK, first a side note: No one -- least of all Obama -- says he is "entitled." The question is...is he qualified?)

I respond: Name one thing that BILL CLINTON DID as governor of a very small state that "entitled" him to lead the US, create our foreign policy, and become commander-in-chief at age 46 (younger than Obama is now!).

He became a great president, despite his failings. And Obama will be, too.

He will begin the long, hard process of cleaning up after Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al, and restore our respect in the world.

Remember that JFK was also said to be too young, too inexperienced, and an elitist. Yet, when his top military brass and the CIA strongly advocated a full-scale invasion of Cuba, Kennedy was wise enough to say NO. And we now know as fact that his courage to NOT GO TO WAR -- and in staring down the Soviets in the missile crisis -- prevented full scale nuclear war. He was youngest president in history (and younger than ALL of those wise, experienced military and intelligence advisers).

Do you think McCain would have kept us out of the apocalyptic war that would have ensued?

Age does not automatically equal wisdom.

We have the opportunity to move from one of the worst presidents in American history to a man who has the raw material to be one of the best; the transformational leader this country needs right now to change course and live up to our ideals.

Wake up.

Great job, Bill!

I can't wait to see you stompin' in Pennsylvania, Texas and Florida. Yes, even Texas and Florida. The Republicans don't own these two states - they just think they do ...

Will the Democratic Party pay for its foolishness if McCain is elected? No. America will pay the price, and this country can't afford it.

Neither I nor anyone I know has ever seen or heard of a PUMA person outside a handful of press stories. This appears to be a Gang of One and the press seems to have swallowed the "unity" story hook, line and sinker without even scratching at the surface.
But I see NO stories at all about the fact that there will be 2 Republican conventions next week in St. Paul. Their rift is real and ignored.
Throwing a private barbecue for the press at one of your 13 houses (there are 7 houses on the Sedona property alone) looks like a sound investment.

The Clintons gave Obama affirmative action even after he called them racist and called Hillary a ho.

Obama's perfect job would be in his native land Kynia. Go civilize and help bring his native country into a first world democracy. Obama go and at least build a house for your grandmother, give her a modern toilet and toilet tissue. She lives in a hut.

I love Bill.
I love Hillary.

I am voting for McCain.

Posted by: Lesley | August 28, 2008 12:07 AM

With all due respect, Lesley, you may love Bill and Hillary, but you're not very smart. You're certainly not a Democrat. McCain stands for the OPPOSITE of what the Clintons stand for. Do you want Roe v Wade overturned? If so, by all means, vote for McCain. But that's not what the Clintons want. How do you feel about the financial burden of health care being put on individuals rather than making it accessible to everyone, regardless of income? Your vote for McCain will make that a reality. I don't think that's what Hillary Clinton has been advocating for all these years.
You can hate Obama all you want but you're cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Been a Democrat since 2000, from the left of the party. Pay attention to me, because as a write this I AM SITTING IN IRAQ as an officer in the US Navy serving with the Marines. Just because some has served in the military doesn't make them POTUS material . . .trust me on this!

You talk about PUMA. Y'all need to get over it. Political ideolology takes a back seat when people (sons and daughters) are DYING. Have enough resepect for the people both military and civilians who die here on a daily basis to elect someone who has reasonable about this War from the beginning, someone like Obama.

I will be casting my vote by mail, because I will still be here! Get over your differences and for once try to be a member of a party. We are counting on you. We can't trust them. You have got to love these 18 yrs old who stand in harms way so that you can even talk about PUMA. Be a Democrat . . . bring 'em home. Vote Obama. Anything else is just full of your own self-interested, self-important, navel gazing, hot air.

Take one for the team . . . I know that I have, as I am away from my family, riding convoys, and braving the sandstorm and heat.

The Clintons gave Obama affirmative action even after he called them racist and called Hillary a ho.

Obama's perfect job would be in his native land Kynia. Go civilize and help bring his native country into a first world democracy. Obama go and at least build a house for your grandmother, give her a modern toilet and toilet tissue. She lives in a hut.

Posted by: Mrs. Phoenix | August 28, 2008 2:10 AM

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You are an ignorant fool.

First of all, Obama was born on August 4, 1961, at the Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

Secondly, learn to spell. It's "Kenya."

"Civilize" yourself.

4 more years might be something some well off angry PUMAs can afford in their post-menopausal complacency. The rest of the world that has to deal with the sh**t your country sends our way cannot be so cavalier.

Poor Dum Dum Puma Lesley. It's not 4 more years with McCain you want, it's 20-25 years of some right-wing nut on the Supreme Court that will be a big part of McCains agenda. More and more I come to believe that maybe some form of IQ test may need to be administered before one should be able to even post a comment. Then again, maybe we should have had an IQ test for President in 2000, then we might not be in the fix we are in today.....

I wonder what people are thinking when they vote for McCain which is: MORE OF THE SAME! When I think of our troops, I have to wonder who's side he is on?

Also, I was shocked to see Louisiana majority taking a Republican stance. ?? Where were the Republicans when you were ALL stranded from hurricane Katrina? If I remember right, Bush came walking through when the waters receded. Who's side was he on?

I'm here to say that I am voting for Obama because I want a man in the Whitehouse that thinks with his heart, thinks with his mind and is ON OUR SIDE!!!!!!

Kudos to Bill Clinton on his speech. He was magnificent!*!*! He gave us a little insight as to what goes on in Washington. It definately held my interest, but as usual, everyone haD to analyze his motives....that's just media hogwash!

Two points:

1. PUMA is a GOP creation. The people who began it are tied to the Republican party and there are under 500 of them, anyway. PUMA is a classic example of ratf*cking, for which that party is so well known.

2. The Clinton crisis, such as it was, was a product of Bill Clinton's childish behavior. The spoiled little prima donna just couldn't accept that his tactics blew up in his face, so he threw a temper tantrum. His speech last night was an acceptance of reality, no more, no less.

Let's be fair to those who are concerned about Barack Obama's lack of "experience". Our nation is led currently by a man who never really held a job until he was elected governor of Texas. 4 years later, he was elected president. The results have been a catastrophe: for America, Americans, the world, the environment, the future. Lack of experience clearly shows in George Bush's performance! It is a valid concern!

HOWEVER:
Before Barack Obama spent 6 years as a legislator (that's 2 years more time in office than Bush), he held a series of jobs that exposed him to the deepest problems in our nation and forced him to demonstrate an ability to solve them WITHOUT the power of the presidency behind him.

Let's imagine how much more he can do for us with that power and influence in his very capable hands.

Experience is a concern: for any who look beyond the superficial measures of it, you will find in Barack Obama a man with more experience entering the White House than the current incumbent. So in the end, it's a valid concern turned into a very bright red herring!

Gee - Republicans were all behind Bush whose only elected experience was 6-years as Gov of Texas - before that a string a failed businesses. Oh, yeah he picked Cheyney as VP because of his mature experience. Now its Obama has no experience - Not buying that. McCain's platform is totally Bush league and flipflops.

"Been a Democrat since 2000, from the left of the party. Pay attention to me, because as a write this I AM SITTING IN IRAQ as an officer in the US Navy serving with the Marines. Just because some has served in the military doesn't make them POTUS material . . .trust me on this!

You talk about PUMA. Y'all need to get over it. Political ideolology takes a back seat when people (sons and daughters) are DYING. Have enough resepect for the people both military and civilians who die here on a daily basis to elect someone who has reasonable about this War from the beginning, someone like Obama.

I will be casting my vote by mail, because I will still be here! Get over your differences and for once try to be a member of a party. We are counting on you. We can't trust them. You have got to love these 18 yrs old who stand in harms way so that you can even talk about PUMA. Be a Democrat . . . bring 'em home. Vote Obama. Anything else is just full of your own self-interested, self-important, navel gazing, hot air.

Take one for the team . . . I know that I have, as I am away from my family, riding convoys, and braving the sandstorm and heat."

And to you, and all the men and women serving our country, we owe a great deal of gratitude, respect and support. We also owe you the right to bring you back home and safe to your families. The actions of select Republicans over the past 8 years have been criminal at best. We do not need more of the same.......McCain as an extension of Bush. That risk is far greater than someone who is intellectually gifted as Obama, who has managed a presidential campaign with utter competence and displays a sense of aptitude to make this world a better place (most of all our piece of it called the United States of America).

I have traveled the world over the past five years and it is heart breaking to see what has happened to the US position overseas. The international (the one that covers 5.8 billion souls) moral authority is lost and that is having a direct impact on our ability to manage future conflicts that are taking shape. Another 4 years of these types of policies will accelerate this decay and it very well may leave us in a situation much, much worse than the one we faced on 9/11/01. As laws of physics go.....for every action there is an equal or stronger reaction. We need to keep our eye on the ball (Afghanistan/Pakistan border), tone down the macho bluster, stop spending the billions of dollars in Iraq and reinvest the money at home to move the economy forward. John McCain has displayed, through his voting record, a complete lack of understanding the whole picture. He is of the same mold as Bush jr……shoot from the hip and then worry about political spin. Is it any wonder that his campaign now limits reporter access to him while he is in transit from one election stop to another?

This election can not be about grudges and self-serving emotions. Our troops, our citizens and our international partners deserve more than what John McCain is offering; tax cuts for the wealthiest citizens, more off-shore drilling that will not have a material impact on gas prices, continued spending in Iraq, draconian rhetoric to our foes that may lead to greater disaster than Iraq and lack of alternative energy plan that will continue to transfer our wealth to countries like Iran, Russia and Venezuela. The same countries that now look like potential adversaries.

An Independent Sumsonic

This is a humble comment and I am not part of the PUMA's. Yes I was a big time Hillary supporter. And I did find Michelle's speech very nice. But the truth is, how is that Michelle different than the Michelle from these past few months and years? And with Hillary and Bill, I thought both gave an amazing speech about the DNC, about the voters, about their legacies, issues, and about why we should vote for Barack Obama. But the last part is what didn't sell me. Why should I vote for Barack Obama? It felt like I should do it more as a Democrat. And to tell you the truth, and again, I am not bitter from Hillar losing, after this primary season, learning more about the election process, learning more about what congress hasn't gotten done since they took over, and the unfair racism chanrges thrown at the Clinton's crafted in a very nasty way from the msm and the Obama campaign, with no apology from Obama, to yet have both of them save the Obama campaign these past two days, I ask myself, do I want to vote for Obama? Like Bill said last night, he was really toughened up during the primary season. But after that, nothing. It's like, well...nothing. The man has done nothing to convince me. He didn't take McCain up on his debate challenge which is excactly what your supposed to do. Not a overseas photo op trip or a 3 am text message vice president announcement. Or flip flop on many issues. That just shows inconsistancy and Marketing plans rather that a true knowledge of issues, unscripted. I did think Bill Clinton was experienced in 1992. He was Governor for many years before he was President and one year younger than Obama. I don't think Barack Obama is experienced in 2008 and technically with the election, has about two and 1/2 in the senate with all of his campaigning. So if we look at the current state of the DNC, Pelosi, Dean, the election process, and if we elect Obama as President, could we actually get things done? And I mean things that would be great for this country in the long runwith Obama ia President? Or would it have been better if we had a fighter like Hillary Clinton as President who would have been a better leader, to put Pelosi in her place, who has done nothing, and really handle the current state of the unreliable DNC, the congress that accusses Bush of not getting things done for every reason why they can't do anything. I am a Dem. I am humble. But I want a fighter. I wanted Hillary. And when she asked if I was in it for her, part of me said, well, yes. Because she is a fighter. And because Barack has proved to me that he is not ready. And EVERY speaker during this convention has said to vote for Obama, yes because, not just because who he is but the MAIN theme was for the DNC, and after these two years, Pelosi, Dean, the congress, who even knows what the DNC really is anymore. But what sickens me most is history repeats itself. The DNC blames the Clintons like they always do something wrong, like it's their fault for everything, but at the end, it's always the Clintons who save them. And tonight it's Obama who gonna act like hese three months (he actually believes he has done a good job these three months to convince voters) have effectively lead him to this huge momemtum that is tonight, when in reality, it was the speeches of both Hillary and Bill Clinton. Obama won't win me over tonight with his speech. I'll have to hear him in debates. And I'll have to see him unscripted. I know the Clintons and I know they are more than speeches. Obama hasn't proved that to me yet.

Bill and Hillary especially, gave rousing and generous speeches in behalf of Obama.

Hopefully the Obama campaign will be able to set its cynicism aside and welcome them as ambassadors of the campaign to the small towns where Obama himself has not connected because in such close elections (I don't need to mention '04 '08), such brilliant campaigners can make the difference, as I imagine Al Gore spent 2001 thinking.

Remember that JFK was also said to be too young, too inexperienced, and an elitist. Yet, when his top military brass and the CIA strongly advocated a full-scale invasion of Cuba, Kennedy was wise enough to say NO. And we now know as fact that his courage to NOT GO TO WAR -- and in staring down the Soviets in the missile crisis -- prevented full scale nuclear war. He was youngest president in history (and younger than ALL of those wise, experienced military and intelligence advisers).
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By the time JFK ran for president, he had been in a major war commanding pt boats, he served 6 years as a representative in Congress and 7 years as a Senator. He was a member of a very influencial family who traveled extensively and knew and had met the leaders of the world.

And you're comparing him to whom? This man you support is being called inexperienced because he IS totally devoid of experience...JFK and Clinton had extensive service prior to running for President of the US. Obama was running for president after two years in the Senate, the seat he won by running against Allan Keyes, a real joke. He did nothing in the Senate but brown nose people like Kennedy and Pelosi to get them to support him to take the black vote from Senator Clinton because she was too moderate and they didn't want to carry on with Bill Clinton's legacy as the only successful Dem president in decades. Now tell me again what it is about this man that makes him qualified to be president of the US....a community organizer? Please. He shouldn't even be allowed in the same room with Bill Clinton.

I've been really impressed that people has avoided demogauging the opposition in these posts.

I am a Reserve officer who grew up on welfare and worked all my life for my wife, child, family and country. I don't doubt democrats love their country any more or less than republicans do. And youth, alone, does not disqualify a candidate. Experience and leadership do. If you are young, who do you pick to advise you? I don't know who is advising Senator Obama. I need to know. What I know about his proposals does not convince me that he understands the impact of his plans on a tight economy. I've heard nothing on foreign policy except out of Iraq. I need to know more.

As for McCain -- I am tired of the slogan that he is Bush 3. What I know of his proposals, and his voting record shows that is not true. Still, I need to hear him, and Senator Obama, unscripted. Then I can decide. Right now, I am leaning for McCain. While I don't care for the far right of the Republican party, I am put off by the far left of the Democratic party more. While I support some of what they propose (environmental issues and health care) their belief that they know best and government can make it happen ring hollow to me. After all my years in government, I am not convinced that more Washington involvement is the answer.

All these Republicans - who have always been Republicans - pretending to be PUMAs make me laugh.

We know that Rush Limbaugh told them to vote for Hillary Clinton just to help create the discord. I wonder what talk radio show told them to pretend to be PUMAs.

Oh, my little sheep, have you no pride? Have you no self respect?

These extremist Republicans spend so much time talking about honor and so little time practicing it.

Bill and Hillary, as expected, were nonpareil. Magnificent. They showed the class that Obama lacked in not even seriously considering Hill for veep. No matter, I didn't want to see Hillary holding the coat for Obama. If OB is elected, he stands a great chance of becoming another ineffective, passive, gutless wonder a la Jimmy Carter,

Dear Democrat in Iraq,

Thank you for the post and for the service. You said it better than nearly anyone else possibly could.

proud puma, you are an idiot. i hope you are not serious

well said kr in dc, well said

33rd Street - Thanks for the insightful comments. I totally agree. Experience does matter and the Bush lack thereof has been a huge issue. It was Obama's lack of experience that caused me to support Hillary - that and her performances at the numerous debates during the democratic primary. Her command of the issues was extraordinary. But, Obama was inspiring and his life story and experience will serve him well, particularly with domestic issues. I felt torn many times during the campaign and wished both of them weren't running at the same time because it was, for me, a difficult choice. In the end I went with Hillary because of the experience factor but I will absolutely vote for Obama and didn't need Bill and Hillary to convince me. As soon as Hillary conceded, I did too. I think most Hillary supporters did as well.

Bill and Hillary had delivered their magnanimous speeches promoting Barack Obama, and yet, there's still a lot of democrats who won't vote for him in November. In my office alone, 10 out of 15 male or female expresses strong reservations against Barack. Nine will definitely vote for McCain, two will pass and only 4 said they will vote for Barack. In reality, all the polls with Barack leading are all misleading. White caucasians will not openly admit that they are not supporting Barack for fear of being tagged racist. In my family alone, there are six registered voters who normally voted for the democrats in the last three presidential elections, but this time, we will vote for McCain, courtesy of my 76 year old mother.

The media and the public at large do not seem to understand that the Clinton supporters who are not going to vote for Obama aren't sore losers, and they don't need to "get over it." We're not voting for him because he's NOT QUALIFIED! I'm not bitter because Clinton lost. I'm depressed because my party elected someone who IS NOT QUALIFIED FOR THE JOB. No speech about party unity is going to change that. It's morally wrong to vote for someone you think isn't right for the job. No woman, especially a black woman, could run for president with his resume. If you take away the pretty, empty speeches, there's nothing special about Barak Obama. Except, perhaps, for his enormous ego.

Finally we heard spelled out the compelling reasons to vote Obama. On multiple fronts in domestic and foreign policy the republicans have been tragically and demonstrably wrong, and Obama, among others, has been right. In order to claim superior judgement, you have to be right on the major questions- when to get into war, when to get out, how to navigate international relations, and how to help the economy at home.

If you were a Hillary supporter and now don't vote for Obama, you're just spiteful and ignorant. We have to kick the GOP out of the White House and repair the damage to our nation! (And I'm a registered Independent)

If you want 10 good reasons not to vote Barak HUSSEIN Obama (if the name isn't enough) just go to http://www.ericcantorforvp.com/

Both Clintons went the extra mile and with class threw their full-hearted support behind Barack Obama. They put party and ideals above their personal feelings.

Now let's see what Barack Obama does for them. Will he call off the African-Americans who falsely and unfairly branded the former President of the United States a racist? Will he personally dispel that lie?

Will he support Hillary Clinton in her life-long quest to make sure that every American has full-access to quality, afforable, health care?

The one thing that Barack Obama hasn't shown the women of the party who support Hillary Clinton is that they matter to him for anything but votes.

He got the Clintons to appeal to those women for their votes in the name of party unity.

Now he needs to appeal to those women for the sake of their needs, wants and values and convince them that he "feels their pain."

Halli Casser-Jayne
http://www.thecjpoliticalreport.com

"Yup, you got that right. The Democratic Party better get ready to salute John McCain.

Not b/c Bill didn't make the case.
Not b/c Hillary didn't make the case.

But b/c there is no case to be made for Obama. He has no experience. Name one thing he's done for which he gets credit on the national or international scene. Just one thing. Name one thing that entitles him to lead 300 million people, face off with Putin, deal with the N.Koreans, the Iranians, etc.

Bill did his best. But you gotta have something to work with, for God's sake.

I love Bill.
I love Hillary.

I am voting for McCain."

In one breath you say that you Love the Clintons. In the next breath you say you disagree with the Clintons. So who is flip-flopping?

Bill's speech was a thing of powerful beauty, as was Hillary's the night before. I've been a Democrat my entire life and I've never been prouder to be one than I am right now, for many reasons. I supported Clinton in the primaries and I've got my concerns about Obama, but the choice between Obama and McCain is clear: we cannot afford the status quo for four more years. We must move off of fossil fuel and onto alternative energy, for just one and, imho, the most urgent and important example of the clarity of the choice. We must protect Social Security. We must finally move to universal healthcare as every other civilized nation in this world has, because we cannot afford--financially/economically or morally--to continue with our expensive healthcare system that doesn't even cover all our people. This is a time that demands bold, big changes, and both Clintons clearly laid out in their speeches that the Republicans promise more of the same, whereas the Democrats have a proven record of delivering a healthy economy, a more humane society that truly has "family values" instead of just talking about them, and a vision for a self-sufficient, green future.

I thought your analsis was fine until the last line.

This campaign is not hostage to PUMA, a political ploy of GOP operatives.

Or do you really believe that McCain will have no defectors?

Out of curiousity, will you be giving the same sping during the RNC, considering what conservatives have said about McCain?

Or are your corporate parents not allowing the Post to do that?

What does it take for Obama to become the 44th President?

Are we a capitalist country or are we not?
We are
So pound Mac Cain on age political hypocrisy. Show the guy for what he really is a clone of the Bush regime.
McCain was not elected President at 50 so why would he be elected at 72 when a man of that age has capacity and strength in pure decline.
Mac Cain President is surely hyper bankruptcy and mayhem in America.
What it takes for Obama to become the next President is to show the country he is the man to recover our image wealth and power.

hey, let the dems have it! let the world see (again) that the liberal/socialist agenda is inferior to free market capitalism. they will not understand this until they don't have it. and they won't understand terrorism until OBL drops a daisy cutter on their house.

@ everyone

Why so serious?

This just in... PUMA gnaws off right paw because a thorn is stuck in her left one.

Yeah, that'll teach the thorn a lesson.

Where the heck is Darwin when you need him?

It doesn't matter what Clintons say, Obama is not a good choice.

Yes, better salute President McCain come November

Irrespective of what Mr. Clinton said, Obama is not the man for the job.

Vote for McCain in November

Registered Democrat for McCain :)

McCain = Republicans = war.
No working with other countries,
no unity in the world.
Looking forward to WWIII?

If you want handouts and want to take no responsibility for yourself than vote Obama. If you are OK with someone who soaked in black liberation theology for twenty years than vote Obama. I mean come on, it had to sink in while hesat there so many hundreds of times. Look, socialism does not work, get it. We have no choice anymore. The media presents to us the candidates they want. America is heading in the wrong direction and only a return to the epiphany, our consitution, can come even close to salvaging what we once stood for.

" An address from a former president, wise in the demands of the Oval Office..."

That is hilarious. Remember what Bill did in the Oval office during his term. Those demands got him IMPEACHED.

I suspect that Bill's extraordinarily strong endorsement of B.O. last night actually indicates the Clintons sense very clearly that B.O. will lose and they want to strive mightily to avoid having his loss blamed on them which would preclude Hillary's running in 2012. Bill did it for Hillary, to ensure she'd not be blocked from running successflly in 2012.

Bill's speech seemed to challenge America: Is America ready for a president that reads books and knows how to pronounce "nuclear"?

Some of you folks are funny. 1 speech full of lip service does not change the actions of several months and words do not add experience to Obama. There is absolutely no reason to vote for this party anymore. The left has become a collection of whiners instead of winners. John F. Kennedy would cry at today's Dem representatives. He would vote McCain. He is the only moderate choice.

Experience? What did GWB and Clinton have? Person with the least experience will win, according to recent elections.

Once again, I find myself posting in support of Barack Obama. I always thought we had two good choices until about a week ago, when Mr. Goldfarb, a member of McCain's campaign, referred to Obama supporters as people who play D+D in their mother's basements.

Well, I'm 38 years old. I still play D+D, for fun and competitively. On paper, since my team took 3rd in the D+D Open at Gencon, I'm one of the best 15 players or so in the entire world.

And yes, sometimes, when I come home, since my parents still pay rent to the LLC that is my house, I still play D+D in my mother's basement.

Those are the kind of people in the Republican Party who love McCain. The kind that disparage people's hobbies, because they know nothing about them. The kind who will stack the Supreme Court with religious right-wing nuts to make my hobby unplayable. The kind who make absolutely no attempt to celebrate America's diversity, America's innovation, or America's intelligence. So the McCain campaign pretty much said "Vote for Barack Obama, because your vote doesn't matter to us."

And for the twelve million people in this country who are smarter than average, serious about their hobby, and love to play those sorts of games, in tournaments, at a friend's place, at a local store, or yes, even in their mother's basement, I really hope you will too.

So, John McCain, your apology to my friends and I is not accepted. Your campaign has failed it's saving throw.

I for one am working as hard as I can to see a McCain White House. Obama is underqualified, green and not ready to lead a horse to water.

I watched Bill Clinton speak and was glad that he did what all us Democrats should do - not be divided by tension, but united in our goal. Regardless of whether you are a Hillary supporter or Barack supporter, we are all Democrats with the belief that the Republicans are leading us in the wrong direction. Like Bill said, in 1992, there were also chants of him being too young to lead. Being President is not about gaining 'on-the-job' experience - it's about having the COURAGE to lead and a strong team around you. Let's not allow the fear-mongering the Republicans sling allow us to forget that we have more to lose by electing George v2.0 than electing Obama-Biden in November.

American Citizen - you have very little standing to lecture me on saving the nation when you were admittedly a Republican. I am a lifetime Democrat, not someone who finally saw the Obama-Light.

SOME OF YOU SAY TO VOTE DEMOCRATIC. WELL I SAY THERE IS NOT MUCH THAT IS DEMOCRATIC ABOUT THE DEMOCRAT PARTY, NOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY EITHER. VOTE INDEPENDANT AND THROW THE BUMS OUT! THESE OLD GAURD WASHINGTON INSIDERS ARE THE PROBLEM, THEY SEEM TO BE MORE INTERESTED IN OBTAINING MORE POWER THAN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE NATION. MAYBE SOME OF THEM SHOULD READ THE CONSTITUTION AND TAKE IT TO HEART.

I cannot exaggerate the sense of relief over here in the UK once we absorbed the power of Bill Clinton's speech.
Mr. Obama has a massive swell of support here and now it's up to the people of the US to turn the page of history and make the change we all desire and you so urgently need. We know you can do it because you've done it before.
Best wishes, Tony Brown
www.grecofilia.co.uk

Words are cheap. I still see nothing in Obama's resume that shows he is ready to be commander and chief of the strongest country in the world.

what i find so strange in politics is just this. yesterday, clinton is gritting his teeth when he speaks about Obama. today, he is all respect and admiration. this is the sort of thing that sways people, at least the perseptive ones (read: youth), to feel suspicious of the whole business of politics. while it is admirable to see party unity, what is difficult is to believe anything real in it. it all ends up feeling forced. certainly when you have a "big enemy" pictured (e.g. Bush, Republicans") whatcha gonna do? but sometimes i just want enemies to stay enemies, even within a party. at least then you have something real. people standing up for their passion. but just the same, clinton's passion for his own wife (personal or political) seems suspect too. FYI, I always vote Democratic. I am not some Republican trying to bash Democrats. this is an age of staged politics, and i hope i'm not alone in finding alot of trouble with it.

Biden said that it was wonderfull that there was finally a clean articulate black man such as Obama on the national scene. He later said that Mcain was far more experienced and ready to lead than Obama. Then the Democrats pick Biden to be Obamas running mate. Then at the their national convention on national t.v. one of only two living former Demcocrat presidents, Jimmy Carter, calls Obama a nice black boy. Unbelievable. Remove your heads from the sand and watch Obama slip in the polls and be soundly defeated in Nov. Its about country unity not party unity. I would have seriously considered Hilary but now have no choice but to vote for Mcain.

The problem here are the self righteous women that feel voting for Obama is an admission that Hillary isn't ready for the White House.

Get over yourself, and your gender, and all the problems women face today. And vote democrat.

McCain is nothing more than a puppet. He will continue 4 years of the same BS that got us here. You want to prove us wrong, put us in the corner, tell us we are on a TIME OUT MOM!

Well f**k you MOMs.

McCain claims to be a man of honor who could not honor his marriage nor honor his commitment to veterans.He also failed to honor his pledge for an issue based Campaign.His answer to this would most likely be,hey I was a pow.My father fought in hand to hand combat in WW11 and was at Anzio beachhead.He never talked much about his wartime experience,when I asked him why he said many of my buddies didn't have the good fortune to come home and it would be shameful to suggest I was special in any way.McCain lacks honor because all he does is talk about it.He capitulated with his captors 32 times.Lots of guys in much dire straits performed better.

Bill and Hillary did come through. The republicans are unsettle and are desperately trying to spoil these accomplishments; at least this prepares them for ultimate win - when we elect President Obama!

OBAMA BIDEN AND THE TWO CLINTONS ARE NOW THE FOUR HORSEMEN FOR THE DEMOCRATS! NO WAY NO HOW NO MCCAIN! Mc Cain did not support the GI Bill so myself and the vast majority of our nations veterans are lining up with Barack Obama. Mc Cain joining George W. Bush and his disgraceful veto threat of the benefits for our troops returning from Afghanistan and Iraq is shameful. America Cindy Mc Cain does not trust John Mc Cain and made him sign a prenuptial agreement to protect her assets from the man she was cheating with. If we want real family values we can trust we need to go with the Bidens and the Obama no lucky sperm there. OBAMA BIDENin 2008!

Which Bill Clinton shall we listen to? Is it the one last night or the one that earlier called Obama’s anti-Iraq message a “fairy tale” and referred to the Big-O as a Chicago thug?

Now I have a question. Aren't PUMA's in the same family Cougars?

And previously he and his wife made a compelling case why he should not be the nominee. Does anyone remember the first few Clinton years? His on the job training cost us the rise of Al Queda, demonizing of the Israeli's and praise of terrorist groups. Clinton fought tooth and nail against welfare reform and even shut down government to protest a balanced budget. That's why for the first time in 40 years the Republicans got a majority in Congress. I'm disappointed and mad with Bush. Afraid Obama is an empty suit. That leaves McCain who is not a Bush clone but may not be much better. Unfortunatley we never know what we're getting until its over.

One big thing I like about Obama and why he gets my vote....he is not McCain/Bush. Clear enough? The current regime is the worst ever. Do you need a list? Who really wants four more years of this? Only the corrupt.

While the nation was peaceful and prosperous during Clinton's time, we never hear from the partisans as to why this was the case. Bill Clinton was able to raise taxes, dismantle the military and enjoy the benefits of a booming dot com & housing economy. ( I guess Al Gore invented the internet so he deserves some credit). It was the only time in recent history a president as morally deficient as Clinton and a cabinet rife with amateurs could have gotten away with what it did. Meanwhile, as Bill was receiving favors under his desk from interns, the hatred that Muslim fanatics had for the West did not subside. Al Qaeda members snuck in this country and wreaked the havoc we saw.
I am no fan of George Bush, as this time,
but even less of Barak Obama. All Democrats
seem to be able to do is make great speeches that are full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. The Obamas can talk about terrible America is now while enjoying all the benefits it offers. This emperor has no clothes. His suit his even emptier than Slick Willie's....

Oh, Frank...please cut the melodrama. Invoking a widow of a US soldier in Afghanistan to garner support for Obama seems pretty desperate. How many hearings has Obama had on Afghanistan since he's been in the Senate? I just don't by slick Barry. So spare me the heartstrings. He's not what progressives proclaim him to be. He's a very vague individual who is dead set on getting in the White House. Being undefined but telling everyone you represent what they want ("Change") is not a way to govern; it just wins elections.

PUMAs are nothing more than selfish, childish idiots...prefering to 'punish' the Democratic party rather than doing what's right for AMERICA. As I sit here, a deployed member of the US military, I couldn't be more disgusted by these individuals...Vote for someone (McCain or Obama, or even a third party candidate) because you believe it what they believe in, not to spite someone else...time to be responsible ADULTS.

So Bill gave a glowing speech in favor of Obama. So Bill is wise in the demands of the Oval Office. Does this mean that Barack Obama is presidential material? Bill Clinton is a Democrat and, as we know, a brilliant speaker. Obama is a Democrat. What did you really think Bill was going to say? Something that would make McCain more likely to get elected?
Secondly, for all of you who are voting Obama because you want "change", have you really considered what these changes might be? From all I have been able to determine, Obama's real policy is "Get elected and to hell with the Constitution". Do the free world a favor and look up Marxism on Wikipedia or somewhere.

hey england, we came to america because we didn't like the way the euros did things, remember? why in the hell would we want to re-establish a european style government now? and why the hell would we care what a brit thinks about our President?

GIMME, GIMME, GIMME,

Listen to Obamas speeches. It's all about what the government can do for you.

EMPTY PROMISES!!!! RON PAUL or his protege!!

Funny, when referring to Bill Clinton, you can bring up the Oval Office and peace in the same sentence. Do I need to explain? OK - we don't have peace right now under President Bush because of the do-nothing-for-8-years legacy that Mr. Clinton left for him.

Are pro choice female Clinton supporters going to defect to McCain in any significant numbers ? A man who's promising to appoint judges to overturn Roe.

Doubtful.

Obama's task is actually relatively simple. Pick off Colorado and/or Nevada and New Mexico. Remember, Obama only needs 269, not 270 to win the WH. If he gets 269, the Democratically controlled House that sits in January, will elect him.

Obama is currently polling ahead in Colorado narrowly, New Mexico is leaning his way and Nevada is also trending in his favor.

McCain turns 72 tomorrow. If he picks Romney as VP, the first question he'll be asked is how many homes he owns. And Biden will dissect him on foreign policy questions in the debate.

Pawlenty, while a McCain loyalist (and little more) is a lightweight. Biden would make short work of him in a debate as well. And Pawlenty isn't going to swing Minnesota for McCain.

McCain has a problem in his VP pick as a result of Obama picking Biden. A master stroke by the IL Senator.

Republicans have another problem. Tropical storm Gustav is churning near Cuba, is predicted to increase in strength to hurricane level 1 and possibly as high as 3, and right now is forecast to hit somewhere on the gulf coast on Monday night.....right around the time the GOP convention starts.

The Clintons gave Obama affirmative action even after he called them racist and called Hillary a ho.

Obama's perfect job would be in his native land Kynia. Go civilize and help bring his native country into a first world democracy. Obama go and at least build a house for your grandmother, give her a modern toilet and toilet tissue. She lives in a hut.

Posted by: Mrs. Phoenix | August 28, 2008 2:10 AM

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Talk about ignorant and racist?

How do you know that Sen. Obama is from Kenya? Oh wait, you're one of the zillions of educated sloths who BELIEVE everything they read.

Any American THAT KNOWS HIS HISTORY AND CONSTITUTION knows that you can only become a presidential nominee by being a NATURAL BORN citizen and since he is from Hawaii, THAT MAKES HIM A U.S. citizen.

Just because he has family in other parts of the world should not be a negative as to who he is.

But it's people like you who would rather continue to divide this country by idiotic racist statements about somebody's heritage rather than realize that this country is being watched by the rest of the world.

Keep in mind it was the REPUBLICANS that took almost a month to help their own citizens of New Orleans when Katrina hit. Don't think those images haven't been played around the world.

Don't think that the world doesn't realize that the Republicans have stripped the CHiP program that made sure that every child had health insurance and that they have watered down the No Child Left Behind program to where it is just another after school program of milk and cookies.

But yet you think Sen. Obama isn't qualified. You think he doesn't have a strong enough foreign relations policy.

HOW ABOUT A DOMESTIC RELATIONS POLICY where this country is back to being self sufficient???

I'm tired of paying $3.93 a gallon because we have borrowed billions of dollars from the Chinese to pay for oil in the Middle East and yet the only people benefitting is a country like Iraq who has an $80 billion surplus and they don't want us there.

Gee somebody please get these PUMA folk reality glasses!!

Bill gave a great speech. He pinpointed specifically what needs to be done to fix America. Obama better take note and stop speaking in generalities about what he's gonna do.

Hey Democrat in Iraq -- soldiers have consistently voted Republican in recent presidential elections, and historically, the Democrats have started just about all of this nation's wars.

But Jerry... China already has a leader.

About the only thing McCain is good for is to yell at kids to get the he11 off his seven lawns.

Any democrat who votes for McCain should have their head examined. The only possible reason has to be latent racism.

Obama clearly represents the values and aspirations of the democratic party. Hillary lost. I'm sorry for your pain, but don't punish the rest of us with four more years on McCain-Bush because your angry. This too shall pass.

Hey Dem. in Iraq...
I pray to God you and your fellow brave soldiers make it out of Iraq. Thankfully
Barck Obama will bring you home. My personal opinion is: I think every American who claim to love their country are are proud of the brave men and women serving their country should vote for Obama who has done more for the soldiers & Vets than McCain has ever done in his 26 years in the Senate. America does not need another rich boy underachiever in the WH. The country needs someone with the intelligence, vision, analytic mind, wisdom, judgement, courage like Obama stood up and said NO to Iraq while running for Illinois Senate seat when most politicans and the American people were for invading Iraq. The country needs change and Barack Obama offers that change. He's more concerned about domestic policies: economy, education, health care, infrastructure to name a few. McBush is about more war... "there will be more wars throughout this century and we'll need the young men and women to fight it". DRAFT

Bill knows that in 4 years, Hillary will be president... and it's going to be easier for her... if she takes the white house from Obama, than Mccain. (4 years from now... Obama will have made a mess of things... and he will be an easy lose.)

... or do you REALLY think Bill and Hillary's feelings for Obama just instantly changed... when Hillary dropped out of the race? Or that Obama just instantly went from a man that could "never run the country"... to 1 that "will do a great job".

dimik - i'm not post, pre or any other type of menopausal, given that i'm a guy.....a guy who ain't buying the obama rhetoric. why do you guys act as if you own our votes? you dont.
ps: i'm younger than obama, black, double-ivy educated, humble beginnings...no white mama....

Bill,
welcome home!!!!! We knew you would be there for us. Can hardly wait for 2016 so we can thank you proper.

Name one thing Mccain has done? He served his country with distinction. Apparently some on here consider that to be nothing. How can an American consider miltary service to this country nothing?

I watched last night admittedly sad when Hillary called for the delegates to declare Obama the candidate. Bill's speech was superb and reminded us of the fact that he is a great politician and a smart man no matter what. He made an excellent case for the need for a better president and better government. But the Democratic party seems hell bent on not delivering. I was impressed by Biden's experience, values and commitment to public service and couldn't help wondering what the heck is wrong with the Democratic party? If Biden is such a fantastic person and Senator, why did he get only a 9,000 votes in the primaries? Why are we watching an inexperienced man of yet unproven substance become their star - because they could bank on the color of his skin? Because some wanted to stick it to the Clintons? Did anyone ever consider how reassuring to the American people a Clinton Biden ticket would be? No, that would have been too professional and serious-minded for the Democrats. After all look at their leader Howard Dean. One can only dream... Get ready for Pres. John McCain and hopefully Mit Romney since McCain knows little about economic matters. Heaven help us, the Democrats won't.

And since when is it the governments job to fix the economy. Have you ever heard of cycles? Socialism has been proven not to work. Does anyone get that?

Lesley: You are an effing idi0t.

" An address from a former president, wise in the demands of the Oval Office..."

That is hilarious. Remember what Bill did in the Oval office during his term. Those demands got him IMPEACHED.

Posted by: Ignignokt | August 28, 2008 9:13 AM

Bill lied about getting a BJ and a wet cigar in office and got impeached.

George lied and his lie cost this country over 4000 brave souls and walks around with a smile on his face.

It seems to me that it should be the other way around.....no?

When you elect a president, you elect an entire raft of other people. Not just the VP also, but the chief of staff, the cabinet, the Nat Security Advisor, etc, etc. And you elect POLICIES and positions.

Experience is important, but not nearly so important as your matching up to all of those polices and positions and likely members of government. There really are not all that many 3AM phone calls, and those that do arrive come with a panoply of ready advisors, many of whom (the Joint Chiefs, or the permanent UnderSecretaries) will be the same no matter who is elected.

Positions, and attitude are really important. Moral judgment- what is the right thing to do- is really important. The ability to be self critical and distinguish between what's good for the country vs what's good for you- that's really important.

Is torture ok? Is vetting US Attorneys according to their political beliefs ok? Just how far should we use our power to extend our power? Should we develop an "enemies list" ala Nixon? Is Addington a saint or a devil? This is what you need to decide, and then vote accordingly. PUMA pouting is just immature twaddle.

In my not so humble opinion. [that's what this blog is about, isnt it :) ]

Think about the next four years.

Take your ego out of the equation - remove your personal pride. Do not let these get in the way of the future direction for our country. Replace these with your morals, values and beliefs. It comes down to a simple question - Who will better represent these for the next four years - Obama or McCain.

It wasn't a speech, it was a chat with friends. No other politician does that, let alone try on a tight rope without a net.

Bill Clinton is a master. A very good speech. However, the media and pundits keep insisting that it's the Clintons that need to close the deal when infact, all they can do it set the table. Now that they've set the table, Obama needs to deliver the rest. He will not get my ex-Hillary vote until he does his part and closes the deal. It's not going to be handed to him, he can not hide behind their skirt tails, he's got to get out their and finish the job. If he does, he may be able to rally the support he needs. By the way, I think it's ironic that many of his supporters, at first, said that they didn't need Hillary's supporters. Alas, I guess they do.

Hillar and Bill Clinton are top class acts. Both gave much more than Obama deserved in their speeches. And yet I still hear blacks saying that they were not happy with Bill's behavior during the primary which is the same as saying that they think he is racist because Obama indicated such. The Clinton's are class acts as I would never have helped Obama if I were them and I do not believe that anyone will still be claiming Bill to be racist after 4 more years of Republicans in the White House.......They did not need to endorse Obama for themselfves as he will look so bad by November they may suffer for their endorsement of him.

I am voting McCain because of the failure of the DNC to run a fair primary without sexism and slanderous racist labeling of good people, the Clinton's. I am glad that the Republican nominee is McCain and not a real conservative but none ther less I would vote any Republican nominated this year just to vote against this race baiting sexist, Obama. If Obama were elected the result would be that employers around this country would no longer believe that they need to promote the strongst or most qualified candidate when that candidate happens to be a woman.......just like this primary where we have nominated the lesser qualified candidate simply because the most qual;ified and most electable candidate happened to be a woman.

S.O.S. (Save Our Sister's rights)
Voting McCain 2008 and Hillary 2012
I have voted democrat only since 1973

1) Best post of the day @ 9:10am!!
2) for the few who say they will vote for mccain to 'punish' the democratic party, 4 years of mccain yadda yadda... whats to say that he wont win re-election and stay 8 years... sounds familiar...

Thank you Ms. Helena Montana. And I mean that sincerely. At last, someone who sees things as they are.
Personally, I do not think Obama is perfect. Do I trust him? I don't know.
He will have to prove himself in office. What I do beleive is that the country cannot take (and I cannot take) any more of what the republican establishment has done. So I will vote for Obama, because atleast I will have given him a chance to prove himself.

I am not a US citizen, although i lived for several years in California. I was born and raised in Belgium and for the last 3 years have lived in Israel. As a resident of Israel i would have to lean to voting for Mc. Cain since the republican party will go out of their way to support Israel. However after living here for some years now i can say that what Israel, Europe and the world needs is a new wind in the White House. And i can honestly not believe that people that claim to be supporting the democratic party would even consider not to vote for Obama. I have many points of criticism on the Democratic system in the US, it must be on of the least democratic system among 'democratic' countries but that is anoother discussion.
what i wanted to say is that the world needs the leader of the US to be somebody that has the intellect and the understanding to stop the tidalwave. For many years there have been no real peace talks in Israel and the next war could be just around the corner so for me this is a bit personal. 4 more years is not something a lot of places in the world can afford. We need leadership in this world and somebody that can open dialogue. Not putting countries in the 'evil' group and then not talking to them. We need to talk to Iran and Pakistan and the muslim world in general. About Iraq we need to realize that this has been an artificial country ever since its independence, only a cruel regime could and can unite them. It was never and will never be a democratie. The reasonable solution is that we need an independent Kurdistan ( including parts of turkey and Iran) a seperate Shiite part ( and yes i know this would be a puppet for Iran or maybe just give it to Iran) the Sunni part can go to Syria. Everybody happy and the US can go home and do what it really should do. Use the money for the economy, the non-existing social system, education etc....
Yes, i know this will not happen with the democratic party either but it will for sure never happen with the republicans

to Lesley:

A bit about experience...

What major national/international accomplishments did Ronald Reagan accomplish BEFORE he was elected President?

What major national/international accomplishments did Bill Clinton accomplish BEFORE he was elected President?

On the other hand, Richard Nixon and George HW Bush were certainly two of the most "experienced" presidents before they became president.

Don Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney were two of the most "experienced" people in government but how have they managed the last 8 years?

We have a choice this year-more of the same or time for a change?

I have had enough "experience" with more of the same...lets experience a little change.

"Both Clintons went the extra mile and with class threw their full-hearted support behind Barack Obama. They put party and ideals above their personal feelings. Now let's see what Barack Obama does for them. Will he call off the African-Americans who falsely and unfairly branded the former President of the United States a racist? Will he personally dispel that lie? Will he support Hillary Clinton in her life-long quest to make sure that every American has full-access to quality, afforable, health care? The one thing that Barack Obama hasn't shown the women of the party who support Hillary Clinton is that they matter to him for anything but votes."

Amen. Perfectly stated. Obama's massive ego will surely prevent him from doing any of those things. It was never the Clinton's job to unite the party this year. It was Obama's as the nominee and he blew it by not selecting Hillary as VP. Obama doesn't support true, 100% universal healthcare either. It'll be the same old thing.

While you heap all this praise on Bill Clinton and condemn others keep in mind how he humiliated his wife. While she was running around the country telling everyone people were lying about her husband Bill was doing EXACTLY what they were saying he was doing. He made a complete fool out of Hillary.

It almost brings tears to my eyes to see all these Democrats saying that they're not sold on Obama. What is wrong with you people? How can you turn your back on your party just because Hilary didn't get the nomination? I was a Hilary supporter, but now I am an Obama supporter. I'm not going to sulk in self pity and anger and let the Republicans take advantage of this rift in our party. WAKE UP!!

to Deployed Service Member: I don't believe in Obama. Thus, I am not voting for him. Period. Thanks for the advice. I might write in Clinton, but I have to see how Florida counts such votes. Otherwise, I might just vote for Nader or the Green candidate. Not sure....

Wow, that's a lot to read...

With the exception of the dedicated, hard-core supporters who would follow their candidate off a cliff, I think most of would agree that more information would at least be useful, if not necessary.

I need to see these guys debate some real issues. I am not interested in speeches to frenzied crowds of supporters. Most of what you get then is rhetoric. I want to hear their opinion on a variety of issues, and hear how they respond to criticisms of their position.

Maybe this is just the people I speak with, but it seems like most just don't know enough to make an informed decision. Even the ones who are leaning, are leaning because of less than stellar information...

Anyone else feel this way?

If you really care about Hillary and Bill Clinton, you honor them by giving them something back, What they asked for is for Hillary supporters to give Obama a chance and your vote. Don't you think after all the Clintons have done for us it's the least we can do? honor their choice and trust their request? When you compare Obama to McCain on the issues, and seriously go do it if you haven't and are Democrat and truly believe in good Democratic values, you will see this is a no brainer. Obama was not my first choice, but he is the nominee now and will make a great President compared to McCain, no question. To all my fellow Hillary supporters let's help our fellow Democrat Barack Obama out and show our party we are true Democrats, let's show the Republicans they can't split us apart and let's show the world we can take back our country from the oppressors of the Republican dictatorship. The time is NOW.

John Armstrong: grow up. I am a black civil rights attorney, and I fight racism everyday. The frequent spewing of "racism" accusations by Obama supporters is becoming too much to bear. Many of these same morons would deny the existence of racism and believe that simply electing the Lord Obama proves that we have equal opportunity in our country. That to me is more disturbing than not voting for The One.

We should consider who between Obama and Mccain has the better judgement. I think that is obvious. Mccain criticized Bush for Iraq when it was going bad and supported the surge that has worked to bring evil under control. Good judgement.

Obama says that, even tho the surge has worked, he still would not support it. He is against success in Iraq. Secondly he remained in his church for 20 years. Honoring Louis Farrakhan did not cause him to leave the church. The pastors racist rants did not cause him to leave the church. Only when it became a political liability did he leave his church. TERRIBLE JUDGEMENT!!!

PeachPit, Obama made very clear his reasons for selecting Joe Biden as his running mate, and the overwhelming majority of people understand and agree with his choice. Even the conservative pundits have said that it was a strategically excellent move. You might do as Hillary Clinton suggested, and get over your obsession with HER. For any of her "supporters" to ignore her suggestion to support Obama, is to slap her in the face. This election is not about you, it's about us.

Thank you "Democrat in Iraq" for your service to our country, and for your insightful words. God keep you safe! I am a working class white women who is an independent. And I agree with all the intelligient comments made concerning Clinton followers who would vote for McCain instead of Obama, and still call themselves democrats. I am so frustrated by their ignorance that I'm in a state of disbelief. They truly have to be republicans trying to sway the undecided's. Either that, or they won't vote for Obama because he is black, plain and simple. After all, Hilary Clinton did carry the ignorant vote and apparently still does.

McCain and Keating had become personal friends following their initial contacts in 1981.[8] Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in political contributions from Keating and his associates.[14] In addition, McCain's wife Cindy McCain and her father Jim Hensley had invested $359,100 in a Keating shopping center in April 1986, a year before McCain met with the regulators. McCain, his family, and their baby-sitter had made nine trips at Keating's expense, sometimes aboard Keating's jet. Three of the trips were made during vacations to Keating's opulent Bahamas retreat at Cat Cay. McCain did not pay Keating (in the amount of $13,433) for some of the trips until years after they were taken, when he learned that Keating was in trouble over Lincoln.[6][15]

Bill lied about getting a BJ and a wet cigar in office and got impeached.

George lied and his lie cost this country over 4000 brave souls and walks around with a smile on his face.

It seems to me that it should be the other way around.....no?

Posted by: Sumsonic | August 28, 2008 9:28 AM

It so funny how GW is in charge of everything and caused all of our problems. However, once a president leaves office is when his policies begin to take effect. Clinton did nothing during his term and look what happened when the next bunch took over. So all of his "wet cigar" policies got us to the point we are in now. Not GW lying. He just used the intelligence presented to him form the previous commander in chief, who in a known and documented liar. Just think what position we would be in if this information was given to Al Gore.

Clinton had nothing to do with the economy during his reign. That was the private sector, not the governemtn, that invested all of the money amd created jobs. All of that was lost before GW could take control.

Also thanks to Hillary for the mess we have in the health care industry. What did we get for our $4 billion investment with her?

I could care less who is the next "Party President". What we need is people serving this country to do what is needed and not address issues as party issues.

McCain is an American! Thats why I would vote for him!

Obama is a bushman with a suit on! Go look at his family in africa and how they live, this man doesn't give a rats' ass about his family why should he care about americans?

McCain has faught for our country, he's not GW he's a POW! He will bring back the respect and dignity we have had, with Obama everybody world wide will laugh at us!

I would have voted for Hillary, based on the knowledge and experience she had the qualifications to be president, Obama wouldn't even qualify to be a secretary in the White House let alone a Commander in Chief!!

Give me a break!

It is sad that PUMAs have abandoned their ideals in favor of idolatry. You have all elevated the scourge of the one issue voter to a new level.

Democrats 08: I gave Clinton $$ and my primary vote. That's all she can get from me at the moment. I am NOT voting for Obama, just because Clinton said so. That would make me a cultist, something I despise.

Posted by: John Armstrong | August 28, 2008 9:22 AM:
"Any democrat who votes for McCain should have their head examined. The only possible reason has to be latent racism."

I grew up believing that race does not matter, and the same applies here. I choose the candidate that I believe will serve the best interests of the country, not by the color of his or her skin. A democrat who embraces BHO because of the color of his skin is the racist.

Puma-- You are one of the desperate ones that is afraid of progress. You must be rich or religious fanatic to want more of the same. We Dems are really not that bad. give us a shot. After all, we are the future of tihs great nation.

Wow - all of the unsubstantiated historical "truths" in these reponses proves to me that Republicans and Democrats have failed to provide any decent form of public education in this country for at least 80 years.

First, experience has rarely been a qualifier for the office of the President. Read your history books kids - we've had plenty of folks hold that Commmander in Chief title that weren't experienced or "qualified" - oh wait, the qualifications for President are at least 35 years of age and a natural born citizen. That's it - there ain't no other qualifications.

Second - "the Democrats have started just about all of this nation's wars" may possibly be the most hare-brained statement I've ever heard from a member of the McNation bourgeoisie. Until the War Powers act, virtually every conflict that America has engaged in has required the approval of Democrats and Republicans. And, even with the War Powers Act, still to this day, the Congress and President honor the spirit of jointly making decisions to screw this world up together - with Democrats and Republicans holding hands the whole way.

So, suck up the fact that we might actually have someone in the White House who is not the same rich old caucasian dude (check your history books kids, Republican or Democrat, they've all been male, white and with very few exceptions,much wealthier than the general population) - and deal with the fact that we are an electoral democracy and not a parlimentarian democracy; meaning that in the U.S., the majority wins - even if only by 1%. Hillary lost - hell of a race though.

And get some damn knowledge people. There's this thing, called the library - maybe even the internet could help. But at least make an attempt to search for a fact or two before publishing your "truth".

I find it funny that tons of people say x out of x democrats in my workplace/house/etc are voting for McCain... When it comes down to it... there is only 1 person in that booth in Nov who will ever really know who they voted for. Guess we will all find out in November... or better yet in 4-8 years who the right man said. All of the people who talk about experience this, experience that... a president is only as good as his cabinet. Obama doesn't know a lot about this that and the third.. that is where his cabinet comes in handy. That is just my two cents

Bill Clinton convinced me. I am now solidly behind Obama (as I was Kerry and Gore ... sigh). If only Hillary was VP instead of a talentless sentimental hack like Biden Obama would have a easy cruise to victory. With Biden albatross its going to be a tough close one.

yea, bill is right, left the country to the republician and see...it go down the drain...
But then again, so many times we leave it to the democrates and it goes down the same drain too...
time for someone that is not from the 2 parties that both sucks.

Aren't pumas an endangered species?

We all know the Republicans' track record when it comes to endangered species.

Lesley smells like a GOP guppy. Nice try Lesley

"We should lead by the power of our example, not by example of our power".

Exactly. This historical election year has finally taught me why I (an unabashed European) have never believed in the "American Dream".

For me, it was reduced to a paper tiger on the 5th of April 1968, when news of the assassination of this great American leader, Dr. Martin Luther King, reached the European continent.

How could a nation sink so low to have a Nobel Peace Prize winner, who did nothing but organize non-violent protest, be assassinated ?

This year, the American Dream might return to be a reality - even for those not living inside the confines of the United States of America.

Go, Barack, go, Joe ! Bring it on !

Bill's speech was fantastic. What more could anyone ask? The whole speech was filled with praise for Obama and the many reasons he was supporting him. His support was 10 times stronger
than Hillary

By the time JFK ran for president, he had been in a major war commanding pt boats, he served 6 years as a representative in Congress and 7 years as a Senator. He was a member of a very influencial family who traveled extensively and knew and had met the leaders of the world.

And you're comparing him to whom? This man you support is being called inexperienced because he IS totally devoid of experience...JFK and Clinton had extensive service prior to running for President of the US. Obama was running for president after two years in the Senate, the seat he won by running against Allan Keyes, a real joke. He did nothing in the Senate but brown nose people like Kennedy and Pelosi to get them to support him to take the black vote from Senator Clinton because she was too moderate and they didn't want to carry on with Bill Clinton's legacy as the only successful Dem president in decades. Now tell me again what it is about this man that makes him qualified to be president of the US....a community organizer? Please. He shouldn't even be allowed in the same room with Bill Clinton.

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+1 on that. I am so tired of the Kennedy/Obama comparisons. It's ridiculous. Take some time to learn more about Kennedy's political career before his presidency as well his military service and you will quickly see that there is no comparison.

Bill's speech was awesome. He certainly did not disappoint. However, I cannot help but think that Bill and Hillary were there mainly to lay the ground work for 2012.

As expected, some posters here have expressed reservations about supporting Obama do to a perceived lack of "experience." Understandably they have a legitimate concern. I would ask them all to look at the alternative. John McCain has flip-flopped on just about every major policy position. I challenge all of you to do your research. I expect that some of you will not vote for Obama because his skin is dark. Then don't complain here, just vote for McCain. And when you do, don't complain when we will not only lose our place in the world, your children will have to go to war because he will institute the draft. Don't complain when his policies will continue to send more jobs overseas. Don't complain when Americans can no longer travel anywhere because of the targets printed on our backs. Don't complain when your teenage daughter won't be able to get that needed abortion in America, but will have to go to Mexico to get it instead.

Please pay attention to the real issues, not to color of his skin. That is at the crux of why most of you whiners won't vote for Obama. Then you get what you pay for with McCain. I know that you expect Obama to be perfect in every respect. It is because of his lack of Washington "experience" that make him attractive as a candidate. To some of you, a Columbia and Harvard Law graduate education, law professor, community organizer, state senator, then finally US senator is not enough experience. I guess a black man can never have enough experience for most of you. Don't complain here, just vote for McCain. I have no desire to convince you, because you can't be convinced.

And finally, to you PUMA's. Whatever dudes. You are in it for yourselves. Getting attention at the expense of Hillary Clinton. It is obvious to anyone that listens that it is about the hurt feelings generated from a heated campaign. They will vote against their own rational interest and put a senile old man as president. One who consistently voted against women's issues. It Post-Rational (thanks Rachel Maddows).

the 40 million americans that have been murdered by abortion are probably hoping McCain gets into the white house, for the sake of the 40 million + that will probably be aborted in the future. How can you have dignity and respect for every human being when you murder your own child? I can attest to it - I have had abortions - My vote is straight pro-life this time around. Maybe when we give EVERY human being respect, we can move on to some real changes in this country. Vote for Life! If you want peace, pray for justice!

McCain and Keating had become personal friends following their initial contacts in 1981.[8] Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in political contributions from Keating and his associates

1982 and 1987. You are aware that this in 2008. Barack Obama had dealings with Tony Rezko THREE YEARS AGO.

If you care what Mccain did 2 decades ago dont you care what Obama was doing just THREE YEARS AGO????????

Yes, Bill Clinton made the best case for Obama that anyone has or will make.

The fact that Obama can't make it himself is why he is trailing in the polls, not Hillary supporters, racism, or the excuse du jour. When is Obama or his supporters going to take responsibility for the fact that he is blowing this election?

Convince people tonight you a) have rubber, and b) that it will hit the road, or continue to be McCain's best argument.

I don't know why the Clinton's, especially Bill, thought they had to grovel to that bunch of misfits. Nothing they said will change this Hillary supporter's leap of faith to McCain. Actually I have already contributed to McCain's campaign...TWICE! Long live the PUMAs.

Well its a good thing MC Cain is not the president right now or he would have us in 2 wars. 1 In Iran the other in Russia he is an old fool who thinks the best way is to Bomb Bomb Bomb. He don't give a hoot cause his life is a few years away from dying a old man so its not going to affect him what happens in the feature with high prices. He want be here to have to deal with it. I cant imagine what will happen with his quick thinking of Bomb Bomb Bomb when he is in office. This man had rather go to war than try to talk to people. I have always said why don't the USA come off its high horse and talk to the other nations like Iran. Make friends with them and then they don't have any reason to harbor terrorist. But keep on this don't talk trail and this never ends till they get the nukes and then there is world war 3. Funny Bush was against talking to them till Obama said he would and now all of a sudden we are talking to them. I guess he is setting Obama course for McCain so he can get all the glory for it if he wins.

I just saw pictures of the Greek temple being built for The One We've Been Waiting For's message to the Citizens of the World tonight and I can't stop laughing.

All Hail Barackus Husseinus Obamamus, Emperor Selfus Importantus!!

Amazing that Barak all the sudden got this experience and ability to fill the job as president in the two short months that Biden and Clinton said the opposite.

proud puma, your punishing youself, your daughters, your friends daughters and future daughters. Its big trouble for womens rights if we have a McSame president. You need to think about the ramifications of another conservative president.

Kennedy commentators - besides sharing all of the "experience" possessed by John F. Kennedy; you may also want to cite the well documented academic and governmental records that clearly show that JFK was one of the most ineffectual (and most frequently absent) members of both the House and Senate - in US history.

While I personally think melodramatic comparisions between JFK and Obama are unnecessary - again, try to get some knowledge before suggesting that JFK was way more experienced then he actually was.

And, military experience hasn't necessarily been a guarantee of in-office-success for many of our Presidents.

Mrs Pheonix-- A true racist that does not deserve to be an American. I hope someday you realize the error of your ways. In the mean time, get the hell out of this country and don't come back. You are not wanted here.

McCain's campaign so far has been childish (celebrities! tire gauges!), negative, gimmicky (no summer gas tax!), flip-flopping (offshore drilling), embarrassing (how many houses?) and full of false claims (http://www.factcheck.org/).

Obama's campaign has been optmistic, positive, direct, clear about policies, and clear about his goals and methods to fix the economy and end the Iraq folly.

The next President is going to be faced with new challenges, and his character and convictions will determine how he reacts to them. Candidates go through campaigns so we can judge their character and convictions through all the daily decisions of the campaign. It's a public, day-to-day demonstration of how they would govern--without the real consequences of being in office.

McCain was willing to hand over his integrity and "straight talk" immediately to the same old Rove-style Republican nasty machine. Obama has reacted quickly and decisively to the smears, but he has also kept his campaign forward-looking, honest, well-organized and level-headed, the qualities I want in a President.

You can vote for an experienced but peevish, sometimes befuddled old man who's aligning himself more closely every day with the Republicans who have been so destructive to America. Or you can vote for a less experienced but determined, intelligent, possibly visionary candidate whose ambition is as much for America as for himself.

The primaries are over. This should be an election about policies and character--and yes, about the party system that has so much to do with how effective a President can be in office. A Democratic president--any Democratic president--will bring the party's policies to appointments from Supreme Court justices to countless less visible government jobs.

Obama is not the perfect potential president. No one is. But from what we've all seen so far--from comparative records in the Senate (which provides more data on McCain, and little of it encouraging) to the tone of each campaign here and now--Obama is the better choice.

Vote for McCain and that counts for your Bush Vote for 4 more years of what.

Vote for a Change Not for the Same

I think that the 40 million that will die in the future pales in comparison to the billions that would die in a nuclear war with McWar

"You go Bill" Always good to see the Washington post supporting their candidate.
Health care... so who is going to pay for the 45 million uninsured? What's the avarage monthy rate per person... $500 - so how about every working family adopt a lazy arse moron that sits on welfare has 20 children and cries because they just can't seem to get enough free stuff while they sip their beer, smoke their cigs and talk to their local drug dealer on thier I phone.
Heard it, wasn't impressed. It's like taking sip of coffee and every 3rd or 4th sip is mud. After a while, you don't care about the coffee anymore because you don't know if your next sip is coffee or more mud. Bill is a liar, and he brags about it and some people appear to be completely oblivous to it.
As far as disabled Vets go - that was your choice - you signed up for it with all the risks involved so don't try that self pitty crap for electing a president to lead. There's plenty of other disabled vets that live with their choice to serve and protect and even go to war.
There's Dim and there's Dumb... The Democrates are looking more Dumb than Dem.

Grovie writes:

"And since when is it the governments job to fix the economy. Have you ever heard of cycles? Socialism has been proven not to work. Does anyone get that?"

Then why did Bush bail out, with a loan guarantee, the Bear Sterns deal ?

McCain "doesn't get" the economy, in fact he said so. And that's probably why he'll lose.

You don't know much about politics do you Grovie ? Try going out on the campaign trail and telling voters that their government should play no role in the economy and that their economic pain is just a cycle.

You sound like Phil "whiner" Gramm.

Age does not automatically equal wisdom

Posted by: KR in DC | August 28, 2008 1:35 AM

Actually, IT DOES!

Aside from the obvious cultural significance of an Obama presidency, what makes the man such a revolutionary? His policy stances are familiar, albeit far more rhetorical than defined by a firm legislative record given limited time in office.

His resonance among much of the base, especially the donor block, derives from: 1) superficial appeal, running mate Joe Biden crassly articulated the sentiment while still a presidential hopeful. And 2) a 2004 DNC speech where he held African Americans suffering hardship accountable (sort of) for certain aspects their lives. This was the speech in which he differentiated himself from the post civil rights movement "black leadership".

Obama is an instrument of cultural change. Discerning would be voters that have a stake in a broad range of economic and social issues are unsure that he is anything more. To many dyed in blue democrats, he represents a final reproach between whites and blacks. To certain members of the democratic elite he is a vehicle of self forgiveness. The problem is that the majority of the electorate that sided with Hillary doesn't share the same guilt trip. So these folks may vote for Obama, but only if he moves away from the "distraction via guns and religion" comments and toward the steel belt populism Hillary was able to co-opt during her run.

I dont know why anyone supports Obama. They have nothing to base it on. He has done nothing in the Senate. So the only thing I can think of for why he gets support is his speeches in which he makes promises.

So he makes promises. Anyone can do that. But the record indicates Obama breaks his promises. He promised to fillibuster FISA then helped pass it into law. While he was giving an anti NAFTA speech to unions one of his aides was off to the side saying it was all rhetorec and that he didnt really mean it. So go ahead and vote for Obama because he promises things he never delivers on.

I thought the Clintons did a great job endorsing Obama. If there are those in the party who are still not convinced, they never had any intention of voting for Obama.

I really hope the whole PUMA thing is being blown out of proportion, as far as the numbers of members are concerned. I heard a piece on NPR about these people, one woman was quoted as saying "PUMA is the most important movement in the last 50 years". Laughable. And their so-called group leader went on the record to say that there is nothing Hillary or Bill could say to convince him to vote Obama. These people are absolute children. This is just my opinion, but I find this group absolutely disgusting on several levels. If Hillary was treated unfairly, it was by the media. Last I heard, Obama has no control over them. It is my assertion that the PUMA people are nothing short of hateful bigots, who are attempting to mask their blatant racism with some false cause. These, absolutely, are the worst type of people.
Spoiled infants...

I totally agree with Proud Puma. I just can't wait until McCain appoint somebody to the high court that will finally overturn Roe v. Wade. Yay!

I supported Hillary in the primaries. I had misgivings and reservations about Obama, and they have not disappeared since he won the nomination. This isn't some stubborn "sore loser" stance. I honestly don't believe that Obama is qualified to be President.

His inexperience, long-term relationships with questionable individuals, and his silence in the face of the media's sexist attacks against Hillary prevent me from supporting him. Moreover, his policy reversals over the past couple of months tell me he is untrustworthy and has little integrity.

Yes, I agree with Obama more on the issues than McCain, but I don't think Obama can deliver. Please, don't call me a Republican, because I'm going to vote Democratic down the ticket in November.

Believe me, I would love to support Obama. As someone who is half-black, I nevertheless admire Obama deeply for where he has gotten. But that doesn't change his unpreparedness for the highest office in the land. And at the end of the day, I need to vote for the candidate who I think is best to lead this country. So while people throw epithets of "racist" and "Republican" at me, I can rest easy at night.

There will be tons of GOP defectors to balance out the pumas. The only difference between us and the dems are that we are smart enough to not publically show our dissatisfaction with the primaries. But rest assured, those of us shamed by the last 8 years will vote for OB... without drawing attention to ourselves. And by the way, I am willing to bet that if enough foolish people elect McCain... it wont be 4 more years of McSame... but 8 more years.. so no hillary period. Then you will have proven your point right PUMA? I am in Upper class (not to brag, just proving a point)... regardless of who wins, I will be fine financially. My family will have top-notch health care and schooling... its the bottom 75% of the country that will suffer.

Mrs Phoenix,
The US presidental elections are not about Kenya,do not insult Kenyans on account of your country's elections.We are pround of our primitive country,our "unmodern" toilets and our huts. We are a developing democracy and we do not need Obama to help us modernise our democracy.
We are keenly watching the elections not because of Obama, but because of the pain GOP has caused the world by war mongering and not really solving the terrorism threat. We need a change and we believe it will come from democrats whether Clinton or Obama we don't care !

The Clintons gave Obama affirmative action even after he called them racist and called Hillary a ho.

Obama's perfect job would be in his native land Kynia. Go civilize and help bring his native country into a first world democracy. Obama go and at least build a house for your grandmother, give her a modern toilet and toilet tissue. She lives in a hut.

Posted by: Mrs. Phoenix | August 28, 2008 2:10 AM

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Can Obama have passed over Hillary as VP for any reason other than he isn't strong enough to deal with the Clintons? If he doesn't think he's going to able to work with them during his presidency...is he strong enough to deal with others who oppose him, his party, and America?

My own assessment is that Obama squandered a slam dunk opportunity to return Democrats to power with an Obama/Clinton ticket just so he wouldn't feel threatened or risk being upstaged. If McCain wins, Barack's own vanity will likely be a big part of the cause.