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Would You Do That to Your Daughter?

As I tried to make my way through St. Paul today – protesters managed to make driving, or even walking, anywhere pretty much impossible – people I ran into were asking one question: Is Sarah Palin doing what’s best for her daughter?

This isn’t a sexist question. It would also be asked of a male politician in her position. Is it fair for any parent to put his or her pregnant, unmarried, 17-year-old daughter through the klieg-light scrutiny of a presidential campaign? Actually, there’s a better way to put the question: Would you do that to your daughter?

There are lots of other issues involved with Bristol Palin’s pregnancy, chief among them her mother’s far-right views on sex education and abortion. But what’s truly awful is that the girl’s pregnancy would be reduced to “issues” at all. That unfair process became inevitable the moment Sarah Palin accepted John McCain’s invitation to be his running mate. Palin effectively guaranteed that Bristol would have her baby under the glare of unimaginable public scrutiny. The whole world would be watching.

It’s one thing to walk the walk of your political beliefs, as Palin did when she learned that her infant son would be born with Down syndrome. It’s another thing to bring your teenage daughter along for the hike – or even to allow her to follow you down such a path. As a parent, I hope Palin thought long and hard about Bristol before saying yes to McCain.

By Eugene Robinson  | September 1, 2008; 8:21 PM ET
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Gene,

If she's a major league politician then we all just have to assume that she's already answered in the affirmative for her family.

We need to get beyond that and treat her the way we would any new candidate. What is her position on the housing crisis that threatens the global financial system? How deep does she think that rabbit hole goes? What are her views on the type of corporate lobbying that Obama and McCain have railed against. How would she handle Iraq if we are told to leave and then three months later civil war breaks out and Iran and Saudi Arabia threaten to join the conflict. How will she balance the budget and fund social security and growing entitlements? What is her plan for energy independence? Why doesn't she think global warming is manmade? Does she believe in science enough to have a surgery performed on her? Why should the planet be subject to different rules?

Please ask her the questions that we, the people, are not in a position to. We deserve to know her for her political viewpoints, not for her family issues. There's too much at stake for their country here. Thanks,

Posted by: Deep Blue | September 1, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

My sentiments exactly!!!! Life is utterly terrifying for any young unwed mother ….and now to have her shame displayed on a national stage…a shotgun wedding? I hear. AND what about the unborn child…to have such a spotlight on him/her as it comes into the world. How traumatizing…I hope Palin makes better decisions about our nation than she has about her own family.

Posted by: katha Underwood | September 1, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Good point above from BB. Those are the kinds of questions that are particularly lacking in cable news coverage.

However, re: the pregnant daughter, conservative pundits have rallied to spin and defend the situation. I wonder what they would say if Obama's daughters were teens and one was pregnant. Just imagining the offensive sludge that would ooze from the mouths of Hannity and Rush about a pregnant black teen girl is enough to make my skin crawl.

Posted by: Shallow Green | September 1, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

The public arena is no place for this most personal situation. Kids in high school are already under extreme pressure and I can only imagine what this child is going through under such a spotlight! I look to this as another indicator of John McCain's lack of judgment.

Posted by: Fred Edwards | September 1, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I said it elsewhere, I'll say it here too.

The judgment of parents who permit their then-14 year old daughter to date a 23 year old man are poor. To put it mildly. The fact that she's 5+ months pregnant and STILL unwed suggests that one or both of the parents-to-be are not interested in becoming espoused. If she was impregnated before turning 17, and I don't know this to be the case, then it was statutory rape, even in Alaska.

He'd be lucky to be arrested before I beat him to death with the candlestick, in the library. There is no way in the world that I'd make it less than crystal-clear how I felt about a 23-24-25 year old man dating MY 14-15-16 year old daughter.

How amusing of Sarah Palin to say it was her daughter's choice--I thought that Ms. Palin didn't approve of choice. Or did she mean the choice of having the baby and keeping it, or having the baby and giving it up for adoption? Am I missing any other choices?

Posted by: Miss Scarlet | September 1, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

So much for the topic of "family values" to be boasted by Republicans this fall.

Posted by: Doug | September 1, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Please delete the post of 8:55 by Miss Scarlet because it violates the 5th and 6th rule of posting. Murder threats are not ok.

Posted by: fuzz | September 1, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Robinson has shown himself to be a real scumbag. Sarah Palin didn't "do" this to her daughter. You did, Mr. Robinson!! You hypocritcal a'hole!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Agree with both Deep Blue and Shallow Green.
As Barack Obama said, this is a private family matter. That said, one cannot help asking the question raised by Mr. Robinson, "What would I do?" As a woman, my opinion is formed in large part by my gender, but also my background. Ironically, I was lovingly raised by an evangelical mother, and I don't even have to ask what she would do in such a situation. The idea that she would have left us for any reason, no matter how exalted and lofty, is simply ludicrous.

Posted by: Jackie Blue | September 1, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Fuzz,

I truly hope you GOT the humour behind 'Miss Scarlet' declaring her intention to beat someone to death with the 'candlestick' in the 'library'. Particularly in light of the fact that Miss Scarlet was writing about a hypothetical person dating her daughter.

But at this hour of the night, I tend to despair.

Posted by: Fuzzy Wuzzy was a Bear | September 1, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

In defense of Miss Scarlet's post, I believe she is referring to that old game "Clue." Miss Scarlet is one of the characters in the game, along with others such as Colonel Mustard(yellow) and Mrs. Peacock(blue). There are several possible murder weapons, the candlestick being one, and several possible crime sites, including the library. Correct me if wrong, been a long time. Anyway, "Miss Scarlet" gets A+ for creative writing, I think she was just voicing the normal feelings most parents would have but most wouldn't carry them out.

Posted by: Jackie Blue | September 1, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Leave the kids out of it. What a cheap shot for you to take, Mr. Robinson.
Why are all of you "liberals" jumping at first light to attach this "liberal" act by a teenager?
Hypocrites. The entire lot of you. You make me sick and you are ruining our good country.

Posted by: Nobamaever | September 1, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Gene,

Surprise, surprise, there are many viewpoints, many different views. I have been a Democrat for 44 years, and I have opposing positions from Governor Palin's positions on the vast majority of the issues. Four days have now past while I wait for the political operatives of the Democratic Party and our supporters in the Press to stop making personal attacks and address issues.

The problem here is you, Gene, and your peers. As I have asked several of “my betters” in the Democratic Party, please stop. Just stop.

Posted by: Provincial | September 1, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Would you find humor in a man murdering his son's girlfriend? Family violence isn't funny simply because the murderer is a woman. Again, I request these posts be deleted.

Posted by: Fuzz | September 1, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh well, you can throw "family values" out of the speech this week!

Posted by: Connie | September 1, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

how old is the boyfriend & how do we know his age?
and no, i wouldn't create this situation for/with my daughter...

Posted by: sam pizzo | September 1, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Of course it's a sexist question. It assumes that men as a matter of course stand ready to serve their country, regardless of circumstance, but a woman, whatever she has worked for and accomplished, and however much she has to offer the wider community and her country, must always put her family first.

Just shows how clueless you and the other obamabots are, why Hillary supporters are voting for Palin in droves, and why women the world over will CHEER when Vice-President Sarah Palin (WOW, does that sound good!) is sworn in come January.

Posted by: JeanBee | September 1, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Thank you. What does this say about Gov. Palin's judgment? And, if the spin is correct that this was known by McCain before the selection, what about his judgment?

I am so stuck on how the Right can make these folks for sainthood. If it were a daughter of a woman Democrat the family values card would have been played to the hilt, right up to how could a mother sacrifice her daughter's well-being for a career? If she were home being a mother instead of governing or senatoring, etc., this wouldn't have happened or she would have intuitively known about it before month five. They would have called it negligence and laid it at the parents' feet. Then they would have proclaimed it selfish to keep the baby, and a shotgun marriage would have been seen as a cynical political ploy so as to not ruin the negligent mother's career.

Posted by: Chicago11 | September 1, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Liberal hypocrites! You guys are suddenly so worried about Palin's daughter. If it was Biden's daughter and she had undergone an abortion, you'd console him and then say its none of your business. In this case you are right. Its none of your business.

Posted by: homesower | September 1, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Gene:

In answer to your question, in one word, NO.

Posted by: Pam | September 1, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

eugene, this was done to indirectly debunk the sarah palin "fake pregnancy" rumor circulating in the pro-obama and liberal blogs like daily kos and andrew sullivan.

unless you are trying to be dense, of course.

Posted by: john marzan | September 1, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Dear Gene:
I absolutely agree with Barack Obama and a number of other readers that this is absolutely none of our business and is a personal family affair. Your decision to make it the topic of your column is shamelessly partisan and completely self-righteous. Please spare us the patronizing gossip and focus on the issues. If there is anything else that this election is making obvious is that the American people do want change--change from the red/blue/us/them nonsense that has been the focus of the past few elections and focus on the facts and the candidates' ideas for the future of our country. The candidates are not the only ones who have been guilty of the sensationalism that has affected our nation's political discourse --you and other members of the media are as well.

Posted by: Janet in DC | September 1, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

You have to be a disgusting partisan hack and a sexist pig to suggest that a woman can not seek political office because her daughter is pregnant.The problem is not Gov.Palin or the office she is running for-its people like you,who pretend like journalists but clearly has a inferior motive behind every line you write.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

To JeanBee,

No, only candidates who tout their "family first" credentials are allowed to be scrutinized. In her introduction to us, Palin bragged about being a mom. She dragged the whole family on stage in a way I can't imagine doing to my own three children. They were stage props.

The far-right brags about their family values, implying for years and years (until we're sick of it) that Dems have no family values. If this were Biden's or Obama's family problem, the Republican attack machine would tear such a parental decision (however private) to shreds, while smirking smugly and piously.

If you talk piously about how great a mom you are, you'd better walk the walk and be willing to talk about the challenges of parenthood. Hillary, by the way, was a spectacular example of a public mom keeping her daugher OUT of the limelight when that daughter was a teen.

Hillary supporters are generally insulted by the idea that Sarah Palin could replace Hillary. I am a 61-year-old woman myself and very insulted at the notion that "just any woman" can be thrown on a ballot and be received without question, without testing, without qualifications. And then to be instructed about sexism . . .? Come on. Be real. Polls recently released show Hillary fans NOT flocking to McCain. Less so since this decision.

Second, as a feminist myself, I know a sexist question when I see one. Sarah Palin has set herself up as "your average hockey mom". Her qualification as a parent have been put on the table by her as one of her qualifications to be Vice President. You didn't hear Obama or Biden present themselves as "your average dad", among the first things they said. If parenthood is on the table at all, let's compare Joe Biden as a single father for those years after the tragedy in his family with Sarah Palin's. Joe Biden is no slouch as a sacrificing parent who protected his young sons. By contrast, Sarah Palin, for the sake of her own power and ego, chooses to move this complicated big family of her out of their comfort zone and presumably to Washington D.C. -- a place she disdains.

Finally, V.P. candidates have paid the price of having private issues aired as a matter of course. Tom Eagleton was a vice-presidential candidate who was thrown to the dogs after Republicans made a nasty case out of his treatment for depression. That was a private, personal, and sensitive matter. But not for Republican attack machines. Ed Muskie was torn apart for shedding a (possible) single tear -- yep, by the Republican attack machine. If you want to talk about hypocrites, look close to home and quit whining.

Obama, whom you have disparaged, has announced that families are off-limits in this campaign. He, more than Sarah Palin, has protected her children from attack. I hope you can show enough grace to admit that.

Posted by: cturtle1 | September 1, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

AGREED. As a parent, who would knowingly put a 17 year old daughter thru the national humiliation of un-married pregnancy? Did the child have a CHOICE in being humiliated? She has now been elevated publicly to the level of Lowenski.

Posted by: Jim | September 1, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Cturtle1--you seem like a very angry person-you should step back and try to figure out why--your facts are lacking--did you not see the Obama children trotted out on stage during the Democratic convention and in numerous stories in a number of publications?

Posted by: Susan from DC | September 1, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I keep finding references to the idea that Sarah Palin's daughter has "chosen" to keep the baby. That's what her mother said. But can one really believe that a seventeen-year old girl with a driven and ambitious mother who is fixated and rigid on a particular view of bringing a pregnancy to term, no matter what, has been allowed to exercise any choice at all in this matter?

Posted by: orray | September 1, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Eugene:

I think it's even worse than you imagine and that she sacrificed her daughter to kill a story that baby Trig was not her son but rather her daughter's. As you know, the buzz was about whether baby Trig was actually Sarah's baby. The reason the issue is relevant is because the touching story of baby Trig is a featured part of her sales pitch as the great pro-life standard bearer and brave mama who flew back to Alaska from Texas to have him. In addition, there are photos and videos of her in February and March where she appears noticeably not pregnant and the Alaskan press had already been raising those questions. Finally, Trig did not appear on the hospital birth records on the day he was supposedly born. Andrew Sullivan wrote that she could put those rumors to rest by simply producing Trig's birth certificate.

Instead of producing the birth certificate, she busted out her poor daughter, seemingly as a human shield, and then screamed for privacy for Bristol. It reminds of the Air National Guard feint by Bush's people where you could never again raise the question of Bush's service. And she still hasn't proved that baby Trig is hers.

Palin is already a proven liar with her phony Bridge to Nowhere reformer story and I now believed that she engaged in a showy human sacrifice in the form of her daughter in order to kill the baby Trig story, which has seemingly been put to rest. Killing two Rovian birds with one stone, as it were. This lady is ambitious!

Posted by: Mary | September 1, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow.This gal Palin was thrown out there to the American public as a VP canidate, and now this?

This lady sure does have alot on her plate, what with 5 children (one speacial needs) and now this.

Can she manage it? Is it too much?

That is not a question I feel I should be asking at all, therefore I must vote Obama-Biden. What a mess!

Posted by: Jena | September 1, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

I guess the devil made you exploit this intense family issue by writing about it. Guys like you show, in this case, callousness beyond imagination. Shame on you.

Posted by: kansas-thoughts | September 1, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm surprised so many people are assuming they didn't use birth control. Sometimes it fails, which is why it is best to use two types. Anyone who thinks a 17 year-old is going to do everything her mother tells her to has never had a 17 year-old. I think there may be more to this story and I look forward to seeing how it unfolds. Sarah Palin is an interesting person and a risky choice. She makes for good news and discussion.

Posted by: Doubting Thomas | September 1, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Should we respect this family's privacy? Sure -- as soon as Sarah Palin starts to respect the privacy of America's families.

Posted by: Bob | September 1, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Fuzz,

You are aptly named.

Obviously my screen name and the references were to the board game, "Clue". As in, "Get one!"

I'm happy to relate that my 14 yo daughter is not being 'dated' by a 23 year old. Rest assured that if a 23 year old were dating her, he'd be slapped with a restraining order within 24 hours. Why? Because he's a predator, that's why.

But then again, I have a family tree to reference, not a family bamboo patch.

Posted by: Miss Scarlet | September 1, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

I had my serious doubts yesterday about any woman (or man) who would drag a baby around on the campaign trail - let alone a baby with a handicap - all the planes, the crowds, the being thrust into various strangers' arms, the lack of a regular schedule with the mother. As the mother of three adopted children, I know the importance of the first year of life for building trust and security (one of the reasons that adoption and fostering are very complicated issues.) And a mother of four children doesn't know that?

And then I read the news today.

The best advice I got years ago from very talented, intelligent women was that there is a great temptation when you are the parent of teenagers to get real busy and take on new tasks, but that it is a real mistake because you never know when your teenagers will need you (what if Ms. Palin's son is injured or killed in Iraq?) Obviously, Mr. and Mrs. Palin have no one giving them good advice about raising their family (and practicing birth control)or are adverse to taking advice, so I greatly fear for the US and the world if Ms. Palin should become the vice president

Posted by: Angela | September 1, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone who thinks a 17 year-old is going to do everything her mother tells her to has never had a 17 year-old."

If that is the standard of parenthood in today's society, then God help us.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Most people seem to be missing the point, here. It's not about the teenage girl, or her baby, or her marriage, or Palin's own 4-month-old genetically disabled baby. It's about PALIN's JUDGEMENT. How can she give her own baby the kind of special loving care it needs while on she's on the campaign trail - or as VP? How can she choose her political career over her daughter's privacy?

Whether you agree or disagree with Palin's belief that every conception should lead to a birth (except for the 25% that God decides aren't important, of course), you have to believe that choosing to bring a child into the world means you have to also choose to give it the full measure of your devotion. That's where Palin is failing.

Posted by: Martimr1 | September 1, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Here is why foxnews, and their conservative supporters, are so sad:

"On the pinhead front, 16-year-old Jamie Lynn Spears is pregnant. The sister of Britney says she is shocked. I bet.

Now most teens are pinheads in some ways. But here the blame falls primarily on the parents of the girl, who obviously have little control over her or even over Britney Spears. Look at the way she behaves."

Thanks Bill O'Reilly. You can read this at: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317577,00.html

Let's see what Rush Limbaugh had to say: (http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2007/12/spears-pregnancy-news-annoys-talk.html)

"CALLER: Would you tend to think that a family in this position, though, wouldn't you think that there would be a more watchful eye as a parent to be watching over these kids so this doesn't happen to them?

RUSH: I would certainly hope so, but it's long past time for this to happen. The parents here are the culprits!

CALLER: (chuckles)

RUSH: I mean, the parents, they're infected with this disease, this addiction to fame themselves. Look at Britney's mom, for crying out loud. "Put me on TV, too! Put me on TV!" You know, celebrity parents, they can go both ways, and some of them lose whatever grounding they had as adults when their kids get famous. They want to be part of it. They like the money themselves. It's very rare to have celebrity parents that remain grounded, but who's going to get this family in line?"

Posted by: Tony Shaw | September 1, 2008 5:02 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you ask the Democrats (all of whose leading candidates, the Speaker and Harry Reid attended the Kos convention) why the slanders were started on the Kos, who started them and when will the Democratic Party disassociate itself from such vile people!

They are worse than any organization on the right now or ever. Until you take them on don't talk about fairness!

Posted by: Allen, SD | September 1, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Robinson is beneath contempt.His trashing of Hillary,his lack of class and decency in blasting Palin for not hiding her daughter and disappearing from the scene is despicable.Palin`s "far right views on sex education and abortion" allegation is a real benchmark of Robinson`s true hypocrisy and intolerance.Robinson is so deep in the tank for Obama,he no longer is credible.Maybe he will follow his vile friends and find a home at the DAILY KOS.

Posted by: bjcass | September 1, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

The issue affecting most of us, and affecting us the most, is not Ms. Palin's personal choices with regard to her children, but the policies she advocates. If her child, who was raised in a close-knit Christian home with two wealthy parents, is compelled by her parents' or her own ideology to have her baby, fine. That infant will be born to a supportive home with the privileges that will ensure its positive start (insurance, money, education, etc). What about the kids who don't share in the same privileges? Their lack of choice becomes something else altogether; outlawing choice and outlawing well-rounded sex-ed relegates those with the greatest needs to lives with increasingly less hope, less education, less financial stability. While Palin praises her daughter's "choice," we should all think for a minute about the consequences of denying choice to countless young women.

Posted by: Sleepless in Boston | September 1, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I think Sarah Palin is exhibiting selfish behavior in regards to her family. She knew the internet and news would vett her family for her, aside from what McCain would do. She didn't mention it until speculation arised that that baby Trig was actually Bristol's. Other speculations is that Bristol will "suddenly have a miscarriage b/c baby Trig is actually Bristols, and they did this to squander rumors. Either way, Sarah should've turned the VP nomination down for the sake of her family. It wouldn't be so relevant if she didn't run a a platform of family values, oppose sex education being taught, staunchly against birth control and for abstinence. If she couldn't teach or persuade her own children on these values, why do we need her as the potential leader of our country. She comes across as hypocritical. And of course, evangelicals will support her, but why is it that she can get a pass for fornication and unwed pregnancy, but other American's can't get a pass on making bad decisions in regards to abortion, being gay, stem cell research, etc? So is one sin less sinful than another? Maybe if she wasn't against creationism and let the schools teach sex education and how to prevent pregnancy, poor Bristol wouldn't be in this situation.

Posted by: Lovy | September 1, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Shame on the Palins for their ignorant, selfish behavior. Are they this clueless? Didn't they understand the scrutiny that comes with a nomination? I think not, as so many "gates" are coming out with Mr. McCain's fine choice that I am getting dizzy. Obviously this poor girl has been terribly manipulated by her mom and I hope she moves on and has a happy life. And no Eugene, I could never do anything remotely like this to my sweet daughter. I also teach my child to be responsible and hope she makes the right choices - she knows that we will keep her on the bus even if she makes bad ones.
Peace.

Posted by: JR Idaho | September 1, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

You are asking a mother of 5 including a baby with Down Syndrome and a teenage pregnant daughter to be the next in line for the commander in chief. Imagine the stress even on a non working mother. The problem with this whole issue is either John McCain did not know about her a lot or if he knew he did not care. There is problem with john McCain's judjement and rashness in his decision making.

Posted by: anonymous | September 1, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Sleazy republicans would pounce on such an opportunity should it be politically advantageous. Look what those republican pigs did to John Kerry with the swift boat ad. They attacked a man who served this country honorably, while our tyrannical president used his political power to avoid serving in Vietnam. Politics is a dirty business, and the republicans used the dirt well in 2004. Now it's time to knuckle up in 2008. The oppression is coming to an end.

Posted by: J.B. Lynch | September 1, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

I know one thing, if she was my daughter I'd keep my mouth shut about the evils of contraception or sex education and wouldn't dare advise other people's children to rely on Abstinence.

Posted by: ATP2007 | September 1, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

No, I would NOT drag my daughter into the public arena and hold her and the father up to such public ridicule. The selection of Mrs. Palin not only raises questions about John McCain's judgment but about Mrs. Palin's judgment as well. She has a four-month-old special needs infant and an unwed pregnant 17-year-old daughter. It seems to me that her priority SHOULD be her children in this instance, not on advancing her political career and ideological agenda.

What a mess!

Posted by: windrider | September 1, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse


Does the GOP (Republicans, better known as the Bush Administration) really want to win this election? I don't think so!

If you look at the timeline over the last 2 years I think you can "check off" the number of times the GOP has attempted to help the Democratic Party to win this election.

Several GOP candidates who were still in the running for the nomination, only to suddenly drop out; Republicans crossing over in open primary states to attempt to bolster Senator Clinton's campaign against Senator Obama believing she had a better chance to win.

And now nominating an inexperienced, unknown Governor from the State of Alaska, whose family values include abandoning your family in order to pursue your political aspirations, and a destiny to crush a former brother-in-law's career in order to appease a sibling.

In case you are unaware of this, the McCain Campaign is being managed by a former counsel to Vice President Dick Cheney, and was an assistant to GOP henchman Karl Rove.

I'm sure the GOP understands that it will take a Herculean effort to gain control of a country that is so far out of whack due to an Administration that has raped our treasury and our Constitution, and lost any respect we held around the world with our allies, that the American public may hold that President in disregard for years to come. The GOP understands that and realizes that if a Republican President were elected in this election year, it could do irreparable damage to their party.

This latest catastrophe to hit John McCain’s campaign is just a little bit too incredible to be just a coincidence. If John McCain is really the “Maverick” his campaign is trying to portray him, maybe he rubbed the Bush Administration, the Christian Conservatives, and the “K” Street gang the wrong way a little too often.

Posted by: Hello | September 1, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, Bristol wouldn’t have the world’s spotlight on her, and we would not be talking about any of this, if Gov. Palin had some pro “choice” tendencies. She could very simply have told John McCain that as new mother of a special needs child and as an upcoming grandmother to the child of her teenage daughter (not to mention her lack of qualifications), she would be unable to devote time to both a presidential campaign and her family. She could merely have said that she CHOOSES to say no at this time.

Posted by: John | September 2, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

As a mother of 2 daughters and a Conservative Republican- it angers me seeing Palin doing this to her daughter. She is not a good mother. She does not represent family values that I possess.

I am not going to vote for McCain this year.

Posted by: Maria. | September 2, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

JB,

It is true that McCain is running a sleazy campaign. His remarks that Obama is a traitor for championing the popular idea of withdrawal from Iraq, which Bush just agreed on, are heinous. And his One ad portraying Obama as the anti-Christ is designed to stir up deep racial and religious hatred against Obama.

As far as I am concerned, if anything were to 'happen' to Obama, then McCain will be responsible for it. And his reputation, and the rest of him, can go to hell for that.

Having said that, we should lay off Palin's family situation. McCain didn't properly vet her, and he didn't pick well. That speaks to his judgment. Palin should be asked about her views on the policies that matter to Americans. And we should judge her based on those policies. She's a far right nut job. Let her go out that way. Abstinence only education is only one of her out-of-touch extreme views.

McCain's pick was so reckless and selfish that is truly shows how abysmal of a decision maker he is. The Republicans should nominate Romney/Pawlenty at the convention, not McCain/Palin. That would be putting country first.

Posted by: Deep Blue | September 2, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

I find myself scanning the news looking for any glimpses of Sarah Palin. She has fought corruption in Alaska, and even in her own party. She has an 85% approval rating in Alaska.

She has fought for change, for eliminating corruption. Barack Obama claims to be for change, but he didn't fight against the corrupt Chicago Way political network - instead, he milked it for all he could, and still is.

Sarah Palin and Cindy McCain are a breath of fresh air, and we need that right now. Enough of the elitists who took over the Democratic Party, as well as the media and the DNC. We will never forgive them for what they did forcing Hillary out of the race. She had more votes, yet she was treated as someone who was trying to steal the election from Obama.

Obama will not win this election. The polls show them dead even, and one showed McCain ahead, after all the Demo Convention, and the V.P. McCain chose. So much for Obama. I have been saying since January he will be a foot note in the history books when it is all over. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | September 2, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

isn't it the lying and cover-up that is the greatest issue?

McCain says he knew about this and didn't consider it an issue; then, he has it announced during the hurricane, as if that would distract from it.

What other skeletons are in the closets here? We don't know, we just don't know. Is that a position to put us as voters in?

Posted by: somerseten | September 2, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

I agree completely. What kind of parent puts their pregnant teen daughter's situation in the national spotlight in exchange for their name as a VP candidate? Surely with a 4 month old Downs Syndrome baby at home, a 5 month pregnant 17 year old, surely this would be a good time for a parent to respectfully decline the VP selection and put family first. But I guess that might be the real meaning of "Country First" -- or at least national exposure and attention. But for the record, I would not be doing it if it was my daughter. And I fear I am judging the decision making process that allows a person to not forego the national spotlight at this particular time in their family's experience.

Posted by: MassamachusettsWoman | September 2, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Gene,
Thanks for shining the light on what is really important here. When we use the term "Family Values" - that means it starts at home with your own family and your own values. When you have a brand new baby and a 17 year old baby that will have her own baby soon - what values allow you to make the decision to abandon your family for a job that if you attain what you seek - means you will not be there for your own family most of the time. If this is a representation of republican base core values that we all hear that she represents so well - the respect that Barack Obama showed in his statement about this situation shows more support for the 17 year old daughter than her own mothers decision did!!

Posted by: Dan | September 2, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Where was the media questioning Al Gore's parenting skills when his kid was busted for driving 94mph in a 55mph zone in 2000. Busted again in 2002 for drunk driving. Busted again in 2003 for drug possession. Busted again in 2006 and charged with two felony counts of possession of a controlled substance, two misdemeanor counts of possessing a controlled substance without a prescription, one misdemeanor count of possession of marijuana and driving 100mph in a Prius.

Interesting that no one in the MSM questioned Gore's parenting ability or his judgment when he ran for office in 2000 or how his leadership (hypocritical as it is) in the political wing of the global warming movement and how it might affect his son.

Why start now? Robinson's political bias perhaps or just a proclivity toward inconsistency?


Posted by: GT | September 2, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

More wonderful news coming out in the New York Times about GOP darling Palin :
1) She was a member of the Alaskan Independance Party in th 1990s. Nothing wrong with that except that as the name suggests, this party supports Alaskan independance from the USA! Yep, she's a real PATRIOT .
2) Not as interesting as any of this other stuff but she was arrested for drunk driving 22 yrs ago.
Palin is a fraud and my guess is she'll probably drop her candidacy here soon, but the real story here is McCains seriously flawed decision making and hiring skills. And he wants the highest job in the land? I'm sorry but I vote NO.

Posted by: G-on | September 2, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

what is shameful about bringing new life into the world? Shame on you for painting this wonderful experience as a negative.

Posted by: Suzanna | September 2, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Skeleton List (So far, and it is early):

1. Troopergate. She abused her power as Governor to pursue a personal and family vendetta.

2. Bridge To Nowhere Lie. She said she "fought corruption" and opposed the BtN, when in fact she had endorsed it. Further, she ran one of Ted Stevens' 527s.

3. Membership in the Secessionist Alaskan Independence Party. A party that wants a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not they can secede from the US.

I imagine that there's more. But, to me, the thing is, now that she's on the national stage, what are her perspectives on the policy issues that matter to Americans? Someone needs to tell us what she stands for vis-a-vis peace, prosperity, etc. I'm guessing that she's a far right looney tunes. Abstinence-only education? Out of touch. Global warming isn't manmade? Really- does she believe in science at all? Has she ever had an operation or does she only believe in faith healing? If she or someone in her family has had an operation, then why should we treat the planet with the same scientific rigor with which we treat one another? Iran? Iraq? Housing crisis?

Ultimately, she should be judged on what she brings to the table politically, not on her family life. But if the skeleton list continues to grow, then we can assume that McCain lied when he said he vetted her. And we can assume that McCain makes bad, rash decisions.

Posted by: Deep Blue | September 2, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

I dont get it. what did her daughter do wrong?

Posted by: steve | September 2, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

For once we have candidates who talk candidly about issues in their lives, rather than trying to hide their secrets...and we denigrate them for that too!

Her daughter is going to "show". It happens. She just stopped incredible amounts of inapproapriate speculations by saying that yes, the daughter is pregnant. Heavens, even if Palin were a little stay-at-home mum, it takes courage to admit your 17 year old is having a baby.

I applaud her now, more than ever. As the parent of a child with autism and learning disabilties, I know first hand how strong Palin must be, and how committed to her family she has to be. Allow her a job, please. We'd do it for a man.

Posted by: Anita | September 2, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Eugene, Eugene ...

You write as though the Palins were anonymous before last Friday.

As you will recall (I know you will, Eugene), Mrs. Palin was already a well-known personality.

Also, the national media is elsewhere reporting (yes, Eugene I have been reading others!) that the pregnancy was common knowledge in Wasilla.

But, Eugene, it was very kind of you to be concerned about Bristol's feelings and Sarah's parenting.

You ARE such a kind soul, Eugene.

Posted by: Eugene's Guardian Angel | September 2, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

The "thing" that she's doing that I really question is rushing a 17 year old into marriage simply because she's having a baby. I also agree that if I knew that this situation existed in my family I would have to decline the offer from McCain in order to assist my own daughter through the situation with much less public pressure and scrutiny.

Posted by: ken vkayez | September 2, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

good question gene, how about this caveat .. what if the father is 18 or older ... how is the law going to treat this ...in some states that would be statutory rape I believe ... but I guess during the vetting process McCain already thought about that ...

Posted by: question | September 2, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

When I was 17, I'd be horribly embarrassed if somebody told me that my clothes were out of fashion. Little things like that freaked me out. I knew girls who'd gotten pregnant. They were extremely embarrassed and sometimes hid their pregnancies even from their mothers for months. I can't imagine what Bristol must be going through right now. And to be expected to get married at 17? What about her education? No, if I were her mother I would not put her through that. I'd wrap my arms around her and say, "Honey, we're going home now."

Posted by: Judy | September 2, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

I quote from time.com

"She is Christian and pro-life, but also a supporter of birth control: she's a member of Feminists For Life (FFL), an anti-abortion, pro-contraception organization. In 2002, she wrote a letter to FFL stating that she had "adamantly supported our cause since I first understood, as a child, the atrocity of abortion.""

Posted by: NuroSlam | September 2, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

I will not condemn or even point a finger at Sarah Palin in regard to the latest revelation of her 17-year-old daughter, Bristol's pregnancy. but I do believe that this is a clear reflection of the cracks in 73 year old John McCain's judgment as he attempts to zero in on a segment of the 18,000,000 hard working Hillary Clinton supporters. A variation of this tactic was used to put Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court. It shouldn't work again. If John McCain's judgment was sound he would have vetted Gov. Palin intimately, not for political gain but to see if she would be ready to lead the American People if he were to falter. And if he decided that she should be chosen, situations such as Gov. Palin's 17-year-old daughter's pregnancy would have been presented to the American public in a more proper way. By the way Sen. Clinton will make a great Secretary of State since Sen.
Joe Biden has been chosen for another role in the administration

Posted by: Myrtle Beach | September 2, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

The fact that this has even come to any attention at all shows what is wrong with our country. I don't really care who her kid is. I want to know who she is and what she stands for. What her daughter has done and anything otherwise is not something that anyone can truly control and everyone that is a parent should understand this. You cannot control the actions of another person beyond a shadow of a doubt. Either way her daughters situation came about though doesn't matter one bit to her ability to lead.

Posted by: Shadead | September 2, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Unwed Pregnant daughter. Republican family values. What kind of a mother is this woman, say anything of running the country.

This Palin is white trailer trash. Just what America wants. Anything but a half Black man who is educated and articulate.

Posted by: Gary Green | September 2, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

What a bunch of left swinging liberals on this site!

Posted by: Shooter | September 2, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

TO ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO CANNOT MIND THEIR OWN FAMILIES BUT SEEM TO WANT TO PUT THEIR TWO CENTS IN OTHER PEOPLE'S PERSONAL BUSINESS; MIND YOU OWN BUSINESS AND LEAVE THE 17 YEAR OLD WOMAN ALONE. YOU BUSY BODIES MUST HAVE NO LIVES OF YOUR OWN. YOU PROBABLY CANNOT MANAGE YOUR OWN FAMILIES SO MUST CRITICISE OTHER. THIS IS A PERSONAL THING AND YOU SHOULD JUST SHUT UP.

TO THE WASHINGTON POST; FOR YOU TO KEEP USING THIS AS HEADLINES MAKES YOU A TABLOID PAPER. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO PROFESSIONAL REPORTING?

Posted by: Sickoftabloidreporting | September 2, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry but someone who can't even manage her own family (letting her teen daughter date and get pregnant by a MUCH older man = FAILURE) is not qualified to manage the USA and the free world if god forbid McBain fell over dead of old age in a few months.

Posted by: my world for a condom right? | September 2, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

What kind of person has five children, at least two that we know of in major crisis, and takes a job that will work you 24 -7 - 365. How are you going to spend the time with your children who clearly needed a parents help. One must question Mr. McCain's current decision making and critical thinking skills. I was a big fan eight years ago, but maybe at 72 he is not as sharp as he once was.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Clearly if the media can find fault in a woman who is raising a family of 5 in Alaska, has taken on big oil and her own political party, balanced the Alaska budget, and made a political mark at a very young age, then the media could find fault with ANYONE. The reality is that our media is biased, and deliberately tries to influence Americans towards their view point. We have continually seen Obama flip flop on view points. We witnessed the hateful atitudes between Hilary and Obama in the primaries. Do we want 4 years of that kind of wishy washy, backstabbing filth? I'll take McCain, and Pailin

Posted by: Jake Church | September 2, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Im soooooooo sure Robinson is concerned for the Palin family. What a joke.

Posted by: Steve | September 2, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

I think it is a sexist question, and I do not think that it would get the same attention if it were a male candidate.

Real people need to be able to run for office, or apply for jobs, or go to school even when their personal lives, or the personal lives of their children go through some ups and downs.

Frankly, I find this question very sexist, the more I think about it. You are way off base with this article in my opinion.

Its perfectly fine to talk about the failure of abstinence programs, or how they may have obviously failed Bristol.

But to say that Sara Palin should have considered not running for VP, because her daughter became pregnant and might be subjected to public scrutiny?

That is reminiscent of a witch trial threat. Maybe using the same archaic logic, she should have her husband escort her to work every day too, or maybe under this twisted logic she and her daughter should put on a veil or a burka to hide from all the scrutiny that (implied as women) they must obviously not be able to with stand.

Where was George W Bush's head when he ran for office knowing that his daughter's wild sides would be subjected to scrutiny or for that matter knowing that his own incompetence might some day embarrass his daughters?

OK, its Tuesday morning on the East Coast and the Press needs to wake up and realize that sexism is now off the table.

Let's go guys, get your big boy pants on and lets try and pretend for say oh, . . . 48 hours that you can be professional???

Mark
Get Set . . .

Go!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Is it right for Palin to put her daughter through this?

How about is it right for you to even write this article?

This country is more sexist than racist. Sexism is much, much more subtle and difficult to discern.

What everyone must understand: WOMEN CAN MANAGE SUCCESSFUL CAREERS AND HAVE A FAMILY.

Too many women are forced to CHOOSE between career success and personal fulfillment through a rich family life.

WE MUST END THIS BARRIER!!!

Everyone in the press needs to DROP inquiries into her family, including the worst line of inquiry as to how she can both be a VP and raise children. THIS IS NOT THE 1950s!!!!

Posted by: Kevin | September 2, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

It really isn't anyone's business what the family does. Don't ever forget it.

Posted by: Roger | September 2, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

So you sick people would kill the baby in her womb? You make me vomit!

Posted by: Anna | September 2, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

IF her daughter kills the baby she goes to hell. Palin had better not let her or she goes to. Its that simple. If you think she should have an abortion, you are an evil man. My only concern is that she might cave and then McLame is in trouble.

Posted by: rey | September 2, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Resignation by Sarah Palin is inevitable. ONce the dust settles more truth will emerge and Palin will eventually have to withdraw her name. I don't see it any other way. Republicans lost the most essential arguments of their campaign and that is family values and they lose.

Posted by: aphouston | September 2, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

GT:

Yes, I questioned Al Gore's parenting skills as much as I do question Sarah Palin's skills. Al Gore did not become the next president and Mrs. Palin should not become the next Vice President. If someone has such little consideration for one's own family, how can we trust that person to have more consideration (or good judegment) when it comes to our country?

Posted by: Frank | September 2, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

>>>Leave the kids out of it. What a cheap shot for you to take, Mr. Robinson.
Why are all of you "liberals" jumping at first light to attach this "liberal" act by a teenager?
Hypocrites. The entire lot of you. You make me sick and you are ruining our good country.

Posted by: Nobamaever | September 1, 2008 9:41 PM
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Chill out Nobamaever, The neo-cons have long ago reduced the good country to ruin. Don't ask yourself, ask anyone else in the world, they will tell you.

The question is simple and worth asking. Would you expose your daughter if she was inseminated at 16 by someone in his 20's dating her since she was 14? I wouldn't but would you?

Posted by: Joe | September 2, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Let's keep the kids out of it and ask What kind of a parent would chose to travel for the next two months and not be at home taking care of their 5 month old premature baby who sadly has Down's? Seems to me making the choice to be an absent parent under these circumtances spells Unfit Scumbag.

Posted by: california jim | September 2, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

I just have to say this is shameful because I have a daughter and my daughter will be telling me since Ms. Palins daughter is Pregnant and shes the VP then its ok for me to pregnant or have sex...I just think what happen to America where we could give our kids examples of heroes and people to look up too.

Posted by: Father Mike | September 2, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Didn't intend that comment to be anonymous, website was a little buggy :)

I think it is a sexist question, and I do not think that it would get the same attention if it were a male candidate.

Real people need to be able to run for office, or apply for jobs, or go to school even when their personal lives, or the personal lives of their children go through some ups and downs.

Frankly, I find this question very sexist, the more I think about it. You are way off base with this article in my opinion.

Its perfectly fine to talk about the failure of abstinence programs, or how they may have obviously failed Bristol.

But to say that Sara Palin should have considered not running for VP, because her daughter became pregnant and might be subjected to public scrutiny?

That is reminiscent of a witch trial threat. Maybe using the same archaic logic, she should have her husband escort her to work every day too, or maybe under this twisted logic she and her daughter should put on a veil or a burka to hide from all the scrutiny that (implied as women) they must obviously not be able to with stand.

Where was George W Bush's head when he ran for office knowing that his daughter's wild sides would be subjected to scrutiny or for that matter knowing that his own incompetence might some day embarrass his daughters?

OK, its Tuesday morning on the East Coast and the Press needs to wake up and realize that sexism is now off the table.

Let's go guys, get your big boy pants on and lets try and pretend for say oh, . . . 48 hours that you can be professional???

Mark
Get Set . . .

Go!

Posted by: Brett Bumeter | September 2, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Who are these Palin's? Is this cousin Eddie's family from National Lampoons Vacation flick? If so maybe we can Chevy Chase to play McCain when the bio movie comes out. To be honest I don't give a hoot if the kids pregnant and gives birth to the devils child. What bothers me is that McCain and his staff put the knock on liberals because the story showed up on some blogs before the official GOP announcement. What a load of crap. Hey John you picked the wrong person and if she's turning into an embarrassment how is that antibody's fault but yours? Hell Palin's mother-inlaw has stated she is going to vote for O'Bama, doesn't that tell you there are some problems in the Palin family?
Hey I'm not saying this family doesn't have some problems just like the rest of us, but that's why the rest of us shouldn't be VP canidates either.
Guarantee by weeks end Palin will have turned down the VP off (due to family considerations) and Rommney will be the VP choice. They (those that the Maverick takes his orders from) are probably suggesting this scenario to all parties as we speak. Bye Bye Palin, Hello Rommney.

Posted by: garage | September 2, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

The very idea - as posted above - that Hillary supporters are abandoning our party and our values - solely to cast a vote for Palin because she is a woman - is ludicrous.

Family values, by the way, are not the sole property of Republicans. Everyone, liberal and conservative alike, wants what is best for their family and their country. Sarah Palin may be a a great mother or not, she may be a good politician... or not - but what she most certainly is not - is a replacement for Hillary Clinton - not by any stretch of anyone's fevered imagination.

Posted by: KHudson | September 2, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

(1) how old is the daddy? {this will be the NEXT scandal - if he was an 'older man'}

(2) was she under 17 when she got pregnant?

(3) if he was older, how long did her parents condone her seeing him?

(q) what do you call a parent who teaches abstinence as sex education?

(a) grandma!

Posted by: vaporland | September 2, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

I'll say it again, it does not make any difference who it comes from, the bottom line it isn't any of your business what a family does as long as it isn't hurting you.

Posted by: Roger | September 2, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

This is clearly sexist because it assumes that parenting is soley her responsibilty as a mother and that the father cannot fill that role.

Posted by: get a clue | September 2, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

How much of an overdose of ambition does it take for a woman to expose her seventeen year old daughter to being labeled a "sinner" in article after article published in the right wing press? And this is not just a family issue. It is an issue of character. While Governor Palin had a right to expect a certain amount of discretion in dealing with this family issue, once she accepted John McCain's invitation to join the ticket, she lost any expectation of privacy. All she had to do to protect her daughter's right to privacy was to let someone better equipped to run the country run for the office she seeks.

Posted by: Linda Root | September 2, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

I have another question: Would you do the other to your grandchild?

Posted by: iconicus | September 2, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans brought the first gay to the white house and now they're trying to bring the first teen unwed mother to the white house.Like someone once said the republicans care about morals,everyone else's.

Posted by: oneman | September 2, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Facts first, I'm for McCain because he is a veteran like me. An I'll vote for him. That said, I am furious for this turning into a Jerry Springer show as the day goes on. Who on earth was responsible in vetting Mrs. Palin? Teenage pregnancies happen but the saddest thing here is that those two teenagers have just ONE option here, regardless if they planned a future together or not. Without marriage, Mrs. Palin's political future will be in ashes. That's one hell of a load for two teenagers.

Posted by: Panhandle | September 2, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to point out that Palin has a supportive husband and family who will be there for their children.

Mr Robinson, I usually appreciate your work, but you joining the pack of what seem to be male journalists with "but think of the children!" hand wringing, has just got me rolling my eyes here. I'm not convinced by the "what about her judgment/think about her family" argument, because we as democrats didn't boot out Edwards when his wife had cancer and he still ran.

Yes, yes, there probably is hypocrisy/double standard here about Palin's daughter and perhaps Jamie Lynn Spears. Families are messy/ I knew that.

What I don't know are Palin's thoughts on security, the economy, the war on Iraq-it would we helpful and more fruitful if we could focus on that rather than the little shunfest we see to have going on. We'd be rolling our eyes if Reps. were following this tact with Obama's family.

Let's NOT be that party. Let's not go down that road. It does not lead to a better place.

Posted by: NMarie | September 2, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

It's only an issue to the other side even thought they claim it's not they will use it against the republicans. This is only an issue to the religious nut cases. It's not an issue to me joe voter.

Posted by: Rocky | September 2, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Are you suggesting that she should have removed that burden from the child's life through an abortion?

Is that what you would have done?

You would never be my candidate, and I have new respect for Sarah.

I suppose that she could have taken the easy way out, but she didn't.

Posted by: Dialla | September 2, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Another in the tank for Obama column by Robinson.

Obama says he would not "punish" his girls for making a mistake by making them have a baby.

Palin is punishing her daughter by letting her choose to have the baby but under the watchful eyes of the whole world. Bristol will love her baby whatever, but she'll hate herself for awhile for being so immature. Good lesson. Palin in effect said to Bristol, I'm not going to take the punishment for your mistake. I'm not going to give up my career because you got pregnant. That wouldn't be fair.

Posted by: Another skeptic | September 2, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm a teacher, many teenage girls get pregnant. It's not a good situation, but that shouldn't affect our discussion of Palin. Nor should it determine if she runs for Veep.

There are many other issue about Palin that bug me, but not the pregnancy of her daughter. Like, the was for it before she was against it bridge to no where, abuse of power in trying to get her ex brother in-law fired... and then lying about it. Hmmmm.... I actually believe abuse of power is more important than oral sex lies. Sex. like pregnant girls, well, that tends to be part of the human problem. Using your political office to go after personal enemies, ooh not good

And McCain picks her. He seems to lack considered judgment.

Posted by: ksam | September 2, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

A few weeks ago Gov. Palin didn't know what the VP does in the Whitehouse. Check out youtube, search her name and the video titled:

Sarah Palin: "What does a VP do?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oro2Yh9HoEM

Unbelievable!

Posted by: lwa | September 2, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Gene, the 2nd sentence in your 2nd paragraph is absolutely false. No male politician would ever be questioned about his teenage son or daughter giving birth. If Sarah Palin was on the Democrat ticket and you said such a thing, you'd be accused of being a misogynist.

Barack told us all today that any matters concerning the children of his opponents is completely off limits. Not only was it the right thing for him to do but it makes complete political sense too.

Posted by: Robert W. | September 2, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Why is it only Democrats children are considered out of bounds by the media?

Posted by: Tea | September 2, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin, as I understand it, preaches abstinence and is against sex education in schools. I wish her daughter only the best but clearly Bristol Palin's situation shows that her mother's mindset is greatly flawed.

Posted by: ajmwva | September 2, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

To Sickoftabloidreportin:

STOP WRITING IN ALL CAPS. It is not a public matter - the woman is running to be Vice President and possibly President. Poor judgement now should worry one about poor judgement later when there is even more pressure on her.

BTW, once you decide to run for a presidential office their is no such thing than a private live. It is a clear decision made by the candidates. Even the McCain camp did their research on Sarah's "private" life well knowing that nothing would be private anymore.

Posted by: Frank | September 2, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Ya gotta love it

Why would anyone give a damn about the unmarried Republican VP nominee's teenage daughter's pregnancy unless one was judging her by the same standard to which those same Republicans want to hold others to account?

Posted by: AWB | September 2, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

--""I'm sorry but someone who can't even manage her own family (letting her teen daughter date and get pregnant by a MUCH older man = FAILURE) is not qualified to manage the USA and the free world if god forbid McBain fell over dead of old age in a few months.

Posted by: my world for a condom right? | September 2, 2008 12:24 AM ""--

So, by your standard Al Gore is no longer qualified to become President, right?

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

The daughter situation has limited relevance. If you are espousing an extreme right wing position that abstinence-only education is the best policy to avoid teen pregnancy, a view that is held by perhaps 20% of the people in this country, and then your teenage daughter becomes pregnant out-of-wedlock then it does become an issue.

But only in a limited sense. And people should then get off that topic - AND LEAVE THE FAMILY ALONE - and then get on with asking her about her other political policy positions.

Unfortunately, we live in a George "Forrest Gump" Bush world where everything is dumbed down and no one wants to discuss anything of seriousness.

People who want to have policy discussions are "elitist". People want to have a beer with the President, talk about the weather.

The Chinese are going to eat our lunch if we don't change and smarten up.

Posted by: Deep Blue | September 2, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

My opinions:

1. John McCain is showing a serious lack of judgment and desperation in choosing someone he obviously hasn’t vetted.

2. As a woman, when I first heard about Sarah Palin, I took a second look. I think it’s great for women to be in politics. HOWEVER, she has an awful lot going on in her personal life, and with five kids + grandkids + ethics violations suits + no washington experience, someone’s going to suffer.

3. After reading the Daily Kos http://dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223 , I am pretty well convinced that Sarah is not the baby’s mother. Speaking as a nurse practitioner who recently refreshed in Ob-gyn, I cannot see a 43-year old mutliparous (having more than one child) woman whose water broke in Texas taking a flight to Alaska, then driving to a rural Alaskan hospital (thus bypassing major medical centers in TX and AK) to “have the baby” there. Labors typically get shorter with each child– why would she opt for a rural delivery over eight hours away?

Posted by: Marcia | September 2, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

dems, the truth of the matter is that today's teens are EMBRACING LIFE. Movies like "juno" show that the tide has turned... today's young women savor the idea of motherhood. This is the product of our fractured, divorce-ridden culture... young kids are clinging to family-base and they SHOULD BE COMMENDED for it. Pregnant young? Oops, too bad, but lets take repsonsbility for it. Lets own our own actions. These kids DO NOT CULL to the belief that life is disposable. Sorry baby boomer moms, you guys took your brand of feminism too far (as in trying to behave like men! in power suits and daycare, no mommycare!) Todays girls are creating a backlash... we will embrace maternity and above that, true feminiity. I am woman, hear me purr.

Posted by: TODAYS MOM | September 2, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

I love ya' Robinson, but you just don't have enough empathy with how fundies THINK to be able to understand this.

To Sarah Palin, and the fundies, daughter Bristol brought this on herself by having had sex when her parents both likely told her it was wrong. And had she died having gone septic after an illegal abortion that would be Gods will and a fitting punishment. Now she is blessed with a child, just the kind of burden God intends as punishment for disobeying His will!

Posted by: Bulwinkle | September 2, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

I am surprised at the number of posters who are referring to the girl's embarrassment, etc. Apparently, her hometown has known about this for some time and she was going to marry the father. I am not sure that she was embarrassed by this. She was wearing a ring that resembled an engagement band at the announcement. Perhaps we disagree about getting married at such a young age (I do) but I think that perhaps people are jumping the gun in asserting that her mother running for office is shining a spotlight on something that this girl wanted to keep hidden.

Posted by: saner than most | September 2, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

"Family values" .... yea!!!!

If the genetics turn out to be right we could be looking at a 60 yr old great-grandmother Palin 16 years from now and a "76 yr old great great grandmother Palin" 32 years from now. Not every is so lucky to be able to stare so far "down" your family tree.

Posted by: Dingbat | September 2, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

She has made her daughter the most famous unwed teenage girl in the world. Thanks, Mom! No emotional scarring will result from this, I bet.

Posted by: nora | September 2, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

The issue isn't Palin's judgment. It's McCain's. As another article in Newsweek describes, McCain apparently did very little research about Palin prior to her selection. So, did McCain know about Palin's daughter's pregnancy and if he did, would he have wanted to drag her through the mud? What's going through the mind of the maverick? Another site show the possibility that McCain is showing signs of senility. It may not be just a heart beat. What if the president is declared incompetent?

Posted by: MVC | September 2, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Monogramed knee pads for Robinson

My Vice President is going after earmarks...the left is sweating bullets


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#Early_life

Posted by: rtfanning | September 2, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

McCain made a cynical, offensive choice in Ms. Palin. As a former Clinton supporter, McCain could have won my vote with a more balanced ticket, but instead, he tried to pander. Sorry: Palin is the wrong choice for me. Not only does she have even LESS experience than Obama, but she is one of those conservative zealots who set my teeth on edge. I don't care about her gender or her ability as a mother; I don't like her political views and I won't support this ticket.

Posted by: Enigma | September 2, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

I think you are sick. There is a standard of decency in every profession, even journalism. You obviously can nothing for that standard.

Why does the Post not dismiss you? Allowing you to publish articles attacking politicians via their children of on their space diminishes their credibility.

Posted by: Vann Helms | September 2, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

The media will make it be what they want it to be. The politicians are trying to keep the secrets...Obama and McCain both have said they do NOT want the families brought into the spotlight during this campaign. And the media has no respect. If that girl is treated like a fish in a bowl, it WILL be the media's fault because of the old adage: the more you stir in it, the worse it stinks.

Posted by: cotton thunder | September 2, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

The real question is: Can a partial term Governor of a small populated state lead the county if something happened to President McCaine? Want to debate something, there you go. The rest of it is penuts.Can she lead the country in a time of need. I think she was a bad choice. I will still vote for McCain, because he is still much better than the opposing team.

Posted by: Pete | September 2, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

This 17 year old chick go knock off by Levi!

I don't know how Republicans can support and justify this.

The whole world is laughing at this! Bush was bad enough now this.

Sara's whole family is Trailer Trash! We'll have to put a trailer behind the white house.

All I can say is God Bless America!

-I am Independent

Posted by: John Boy | September 2, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Hypocrites all those Republicans the blow back is coming because they spend lots of their time preaching to us their supposedly superior morals and then give us the likes of Larry Craig. The mother has still not denied that the baby with needs is her daughters as well and the records of the hospital that it was supposedly birthed in do not even show the baby in them. YOu want to be one 72 year old heartbeat away from leader of the free world we have every right to be in your business because you made it ours. Cant keep your daughters legs together while at the same time trying to take away every other womans choice shame on you Sarah. You are all for life unless of course the life belongs to a moose or a polar bear. You neocon evangelicals are a joke and part of the problem with America not the solution. Cant stand the heat of the kitchen that Karl Rove and Steve Shmidt throw at everyone else too damn bad lady. No Way No How No Mc Cain!

Posted by: Doris Mc Mullen | September 2, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Betty Crocker ought to stay home and take care of her own kitchen...and family needs. This is not a way to set an example with the teen pregnancy problems in the country!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

If you read the comments on this blog from liberals and/or Obama supporters, it seems the general consensus that Sarah Palin should not have a tough job like Vice President because she has several children at home.

And here I always thought it was the "Neanderthal" conservatives who wanted to keep 'em barefoot and pregnant! Boy was I wrong!

Being a good mom means giving up your career. I'll remember that.

Posted by: Peg | September 2, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

This is a family matter, and one known by those in their home town. How interesting that Democrat candidate's families are off limits, but not Republicans. There would be no such speculation if this was about Chelsea Clinton, one of Obama's children, or one of Biden's children. Hypocrisy is unbecoming. Should an article such as this appear on Fox News about a Democrat's child, Washington Post writers would be in an uproar.

Posted by: explore | September 2, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE

Posted by: THIS IS AMERICA, | September 2, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

I suspect this is their "convenient exit strategy", and little bit of use of a family member's name, which in turn keeps other stuff at distance for now. Look, just like the evacuation before the storm, getting out of one town was easy last Thursday or Friday. Now, the storm(s) are striking, and exit or movement has become uncomfortable. family or their names do helps. Get out of the town first, why worry if it was appropriate, logical, respectful or like throwing sand in your critics face. they have a right to peace and hope that they get it. When most of the turbulence is made in Alaska and amongst each other, they will have to sort out where that peace may be hiding? They and others can always blame the press, the democrats, and the ungodly non-believers, and any one who asks an uncomfortable or inconvenient question.

By the mid-day Tuesday, Palin is likely to be history, as the McCain handlers seem to be playing, carelessly, of course.

Posted by: O.P. Neon | September 2, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Eugene, Eugene ...

Let me tell you and your liberal readers something plainly:

The more you attack Palin the more popular she will become, and with that popularity will come a very solid voter turnout.

Now, Eugene, you and your liberal readers don't want that do you? Because your youthful voters are not going to be so reliable now are they, Eugene?

BTW, why don't you get honest work, Eugene --- like being a PR guy for Obama. For heaven's sake, don't make the Post pay you when you are carrying Obama's water all day long. And, puh-leeze, do not deny you are in the tank for Obama. That would just weaken your credibility more.

Post-partisan? Not likely. Post-racial? Certainly not.

Yessss ... being your Guardian Angel suits me well.

Posted by: Eugene's Guardian Angel | September 2, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

It seems to me that Sarah and Todd Palin should have decided **together** to put their family's needs first and declined the VP job offer. That's what it is - a promotion. Ms. Palin is only 44. There is plenty of time for her pursue her political career in the next few years. But this year, she has two children who really need their parent's undivided attention and a stable home life.

What on earth were they thinking?
What an incredibly selfish thing to do to your kids!

Posted by: REB | September 2, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Very interesting... this is a big deal, but Barack Obama taking his kids to a church with a Pastor that unleashes hate-filled diatribes against the United States is not?

Sarah Palin (and all parents) cannot ultimately control every minute of their kids lives (unless liberals are advocating locking them in closets whenever parents aren't around).

BUT, Barack Obama had total control over the church his family attended... and he chose to take his kids to Wright's church.

That certainly makes me question Obama's judgement over Sarah Palin's.

Posted by: Me | September 2, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, one child with issues, OK, I can see that. Two children with issues, um, I am uncomfortable, because Mom and Dad should be putting their family first. Two kids with serious issues and a son shipping off to Iraq? Holy heck on a stick people, these are your children, they come come first!! Baby sitters can't take care of this for you, you need to be there.

If anyone should be on board with the values expressed above, it should be the religious right. They've been preaching them to us for years.

Posted by: LiberalTarian | September 2, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Who knew that the Washington Post had a sideline in family values experts all ready to let us know how morally superior they are to just another knocked-up teenager.

Including this incredibly presumptuous author who somehow hasn't happened to notice the illegitimacy rate in places like, oh, DC.

As long as you in an inquiring frame of mind about births --where is Obama's original birth certificate? And why is it missing?

Do you seriously buy the idea that someone as controlled and nmethodical as he is somehow misplaced it? And why isn't the original on file the way yours and mine is?
If Obama's mother was 18 when she had him, she may very well have been under age at conception.
And his father is a four times bigamist.

So is Obpocrisy what you really want be indulging in here?

-gala1

Posted by: gala1 | September 2, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Just speaking as a mother, I question the judgment of a woman who's oldest child is getting ready to go to Iraq, who's teenage daughter is pregnant, and who just gave BIRTH 4 months ago to a NEWBORN child with special needs, where are her priorities????? This is one ambitious woman.

Posted by: buntygal | September 2, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Mr. Robinson! I have been asking this all day. Just so people who have condemned Mr. Robinson are clear, this is news because it has been talked about all weekend and the McCain campaign put out a press release. We live in a 24 hour, Internet driven news cycle. Our public figures need to realize that their lives will be just as scrutinized as Paris Hilton's purse choice.

Posted by: Micah | September 2, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps now is the time to start properly vetting supposed "non-biased" reporters. I'm sure they will not mind it at all. As a member of the National Association of Black Journalists did you stand and cheer for Sen Obama? How much did you give to his campaign? Do you support his racist church also? Are you also friends with Bill Ayers? Do you often sleep around on your wife? Do you have any out of wedlock children?
Reporters make me ill. Do you get paid extra for the trash you write? Did you get your job because your an "African - American" or because of your hatred for whites? Don't answer all at once.

Posted by: NuroSlam | September 2, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Today's mom ..... want a baby? Come to me.

Posted by: Dingbat | September 2, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

What a stupid, shameless ploy. Sorry McMoron, you can't fool the hick religious voters this easily. They will NOT approve of the 17 year-old ho train, whether she's keeping the bundle or not.

Some people are still disgusting by this kind of behavior.

Posted by: McMoron | September 2, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Would you let your daughter do that to YOU? Here you are offered the Vice President nomination - a young politician's dream, especially a woman because there's never been a female vice president or president - and you're supposed to stay home and be a grandma because your teenage daughter went out and got pregnant? Screw that. Her father, and the baby's father whom she will marry are all capable of taking care of the baby.

Posted by: Jeff | September 2, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

the rightwingers defend this illegitimacy as a tragic and private family matter. they would not accord the same courtesy if the obamas had a pregnant teenaged daughter.

Posted by: stan musial | September 2, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

This is the horrifying aspect of the pro-life position: does her daughter want the baby, the pregnancy, the marriage? At 17, she is no more qualified to be a wife and mother than her mother is to be VP or answer that 3AM phone call. Perhaps her daughter, and the boy involved, are truly in love and wise beyond their years. Their actions would suggest otherwise...

Posted by: auramac | September 2, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

The esteemed governor of Alaska is a strong supporter of abstinence and NO sex education, and boy does it show! Or is this unfair? She can preach it to others, but it's not fair to hold her to her own standards?

It looks like that Republican prayer for rain worked...and I'm not talking about Gustav wreaking havoc on the Republican party. When it rains, it pours.

Posted by: AA | September 2, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

I want to say that this topic is credible, but most of the comments are biased, relating to each commentator's political stance. I find it hard to believe that all of the harsh critics of miss Palin's pregnancy have never had a family unwed mother in their lineage. The unwed mother is a common experience that is usually shushed by a tiny piece of paper called a Marriage Certificate. Grow up America. Give the girl a damn Break.

Posted by: eco | September 2, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

To all of you criticising the Palins:

What is your teenager doing when you are not around? Bet you really don't know, but you think you do. I live across the street from a 3,600 student high school in a upper middle class neighborhood in one of the nation's largest cities. I have seen notes from one student to another which blen into our yard saying where to meet for a sexual encounter IN THE HIGH SCHOOL, two students had sex right across the street from my kitchen window in the students' parking lot at 3 p.m., a male student was caught having sex with a female student in the female bathroom (this was on the 6 pm TV news), TV camera in front of my home filming the HS because female students acussed a male teacher of sexual harrassment (was not true). After a prom with a band playing all night in the parking lot, the next morning walking the dog I found lots of used condoms in that parking lot.

What are your teenagers doing when you are not with them? Don't judge this young girl or her parents.

Posted by: Millie | September 2, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

All of you Obama supporters have forgotten that Obama's own words are that if his daughters made a mistake that he wouldnt want them PUNISHED by having a baby. So I guess according to him, daughter Palin is being punished by keeping this baby.

Do you think the GOP are stupid??? Practically every person knows someone past or present in this situation. You self rightous snobs are so "f" ing full of yourselves you dont get it. This will be turned around to our advantage so fast it will make your head swim. You are all fools if you dont think this wiil play out to her advantage. Read the 1st paragraph again.

Posted by: james b | September 2, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

I have to say it was going to come out anyway, whether Palin herself told the story or some reporter went and "found" it. So Bristol is going to have a baby. It happens in the best and worst of families. So she is going to do it in the spotlight? Like that spotlight wouldn't have shown up if she was just the govenor's daughter?

Sure it's not the ideal, but then again what is ideal about raising a baby at seventeen?

Posted by: Heather | September 2, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Someone above said it best. Why would any of you care to Judge Sarah Palin unless you judge her under the very same standards that you judge others? If its not okay for her daughter to have a baby, then its not okay for a million ghetto dwelling and backwoods american poverty teens to have babies either. YET, you offer welfare to the masses while you decry the one whose mom/gram actually steps up to the plate to take family repsonsibility? Stupid. You cannot have it both ways people... they only song you're singing is birthcontrol and abortion. Sad, you dont value human life at all. How about EDCUCATION instead, and letting some girls be that example of motherhood?
PS: if you guys could accept bill clintons bedroom indescritions, then you have NO BUSINESS in SARAH PALIN's family... it has no bearing on her abiliuty to run the nation, she has prooved she can manage things JUST FINE, thank you very much.

Posted by: real life mom | September 2, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

The good thing about all of this is that the 3 AM phone call will come from the maternity ward.

Posted by: Ale | September 2, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

CTurtle1: Great response!

I'll add my voice to those who said this became an open issue when Palin agreed to run, and brought her children and her anti-choice point of view to the table. No, it's not the most important aspect of the election, but it is interesting (maybe that's part of the strategy?).

It will be interesting to see where the religious right comes down on this - there goes "teach abstinence" as a strategy in our schools.

This election just keeps getting wackier and wackier... just what the heck does Rove have his sleeve?

Posted by: Ken | September 2, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

The esteemed governor of Alaska is a strong supporter of abstinence and NO sex education, and boy does it show! Or is this unfair? She can preach it to others, but it's not fair to hold her to her own standards?

It looks like that Republican prayer for rain worked...and I'm not talking about Gustav wreaking havoc on the Republican party. When it rains, it pours.

Posted by: dip***t | September 2, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

.
Golly, Gene, this may be nitpickin', but it ain't Sarah Palin putting her daughter in the glare of the klieg lights,
it's .....

wait for it ...

Gene Robinson!

If you doubt me, you might go back and read this post of yours.

I believe this disqualifies you from ever raising this topic again.

I count on you as a man of honor to commit hara kiri to clear your family name if you so much as mention this daughter again.
.

Posted by: Brian | September 2, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

A lot of these comments are shocking in their utter misunderstanding of both this article and the situation.

1) Forget about Palin's daughter. The question is, why would someone subject their child to this inevitable scrutiny? And if you don't think this information become public and subsequently exploding, then you are naive.

2) It is completely ridiculous to think that someone can not be a mother and hold an important job. That is the most sexist, dumb assumption.

3) I'm sick of the hypotheticals about what if this were Joe Biden's child, etc. It shouldn't matter who's child it is -- it shouldn't be anyone's business.

Posted by: Greg | September 2, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

CLearly the left is bothered by Palin. Otherwise they would not be so "offended" by her daughter's choice to take responsibility for her misjudgement and become a young married mother.

The 22 year old drunk driving charge against Palin's (non-Republican husband) and her proclivity as a libertarian who disagreed with the GOP is not a problem for the open minded conservatives.

the Gov should have taught her child better, but the leftist teachers at public school probably went to great lenghts to teach this young woman how to put a condom on a cucumber and failed to mention they don't work 23% of the time.

So much for teaching safe sex.

Oh and Chelsy was the ugliest first daughter so sex-cipades were never an issue, and Al Gore's kid was getting special treatment while being a drug running hooligan... but we can't bring Democrat kids into the mix, just Republican.

Posted by: NotSoros | September 2, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

"Palin uses Alaska’s burgeoning population as a pathetic excuse to destroy polar bears?"

http://msrb.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/it-s-all-about-big-oil-stupid/

Posted by: Polar Bear | September 2, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

This is amazing indeed! We will have to wait and see how this melodramatic situation will play out this Fall! All this is reflective of McCain's best judgement!

Posted by: Lord Of Rings | September 2, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

I/m a democrat but who gives a crap?
Hypocrites.
Cast the first stone.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

OMG, this totally means McCain will win!

Since the neo-con preaching of abstinence only clearly means that this is an immaculate conception. Therefore, Bristal is carrying the Messiah!

I always knew McCain would choose Jesus as his running mate.

This is going to be a 90% to 10% victory for McCain.

Everyone knows that abstinence only education is effective. This is the only way this can play out!

I don't believe it...the neo-cons were right!

Posted by: Inverse137 | September 2, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Everyone thought it was ok for Bill to have a good time with his Intern. Hillary seemed it was ok. Funny what a big applause he got when he made his speech at the Democratic convention. Mr. Robinson is this the only thing that bothers you concerning the new VP of the United States.

Posted by: Dennis | September 2, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

I'm proud of Governor Palin for taking life by "the horns", so to speak. If her daughter got pregnant and is having the baby, as she should, the mother should not have to change her life and choose not to run for public office to keep her daughter sheltered. The daughter made a mistake, but anything bad can be used by God to bring about something good. Translated for abortion fans: There is going to be a new life instead of a possible live baby in a trash can. Rough language, I know, but so true.

Posted by: Emil | September 2, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Only people of very low moral character will make a candidate's children the subject of ridicule and attack.

And I find the death threats by Scarlet very offensive. Yes, I know the person is using "Clue" as a thin foil to make the threats. Very bad form WP!

And in particular, Robinson, I find it very hypocritical when a black man would bring this up at all - you have no business throwing stones.

Posted by: Keith | September 2, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Calm down everyone. Things are very different in Alaska. I'm sure Palin is not ashamed and saw no reason for her daughter to be ashamed either. The lower 48 are over-reacting while giving Obama a pass on truly shocking ideological positions and associations which will actually IMPACT their lives to an extreme extent, while Palin's daughter does not impact their lives at all.

Get some perspective on this and don't pull the lever for Obama.

Posted by: John | September 2, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to hear that any young Lady is Pregnant at a young age. The Question I have is the young Man being forced in to marry her? Who is he? How old is he? How about his Family are they being told to keep quiet about it? Is he ready to take care of his new Family? Can he be financial reasonable? Are we going to hear in 4 to 8 year that they got Divorce because they married to young? A word to the Mom’s and Dad’s do not force them if it to be it will be. Moreover, let us not make this into a Political decision just for Political purpose. Live with it! Do not make it worst for the young Lady and Young Man Back off both sides OK! We not need your Spin on it Bill O’Reilly and the rest of the so-called News Jerks. I will or will not Vote for John McCain because a 17yr is Pregnant. There are real problems that need to talk about!

Posted by: Uncle Sam Misguided Child / Trucker | September 2, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

One has to ask, with 5 kids, where one going to Iraq, one infant with Downs Syndrome and a "baby having a baby", when is she going to have time to be VP of the US? (Defensive knee jerk reaction from feminists noted in advance) but come on, 5 kids??? I'm not against guns, but how about that photo of her holding an M-16. Dont try to tell me that wont be used by anti-US groups for their propoganda. And no choice for an abortion if you were raped?!?!? McCain is 72 with heart problems and I'm a Republican on most levels, but as Dennis Harper in Easy Rider said about over indulgent strung-out hippies: "Come on man, get with it."

Posted by: MrFriendly | September 2, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

One of the most important roles of the Pres. and VP is to interact with other countries of the world. I wonder how other cultures and leaders will perceive VP Palin (or Pres. Palin, if it came to that). Would their judgment of her family situation hinder negotiations with other countries?

Posted by: rest of the world | September 2, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Everyone is such the victim and quickly to blame.
Sickening.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Would I do that to my daughter?

No!

But evangelicals are trying to use this story for gain, with some success. That sickens me.

Evangelicals say: "What a wonderful family - just like us," and "we make no moral judgements." (Bill Clinton excepted).

Democrats will stay far away from this.

In my Silicon Valley POV, the talk is non-partisan, it isn't Palin and her families "peculiarities," it's wondering which part of this soap opera airs next.

The blame for Palin's departure will fall far and wide; To McCain for not vetting her, to any democrats who vilify them and to the evangelicals that blindly embrace anyone "like them."

No matter. In the end putting Palin up for nomination, and her accepting that nomination is viewed chiefly as a cheap political stunt, poorly thought out, badly executed and now gone horribly awry.

Howard Opinsky, (NYT - 9/2),

"Had her name been played out in the press for months and months, she wouldnt have been seen as so bold,"

"Shock and Awe" as a political tactic, instead of due diligence and considered thought.

McCain's the one one who has some explaining to do.

Posted by: Republican VN Era Veteran | September 2, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

McCain: Lots of experience... No Judgment

Palin: No Experience... No Judgment

Great Ticket!

Posted by: insane in the Mccain | September 2, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

People dont think for a second these guys didnt think it was coming out. It was their desision to face it on a national pulic level so please be realistic. The facts of the matter are that there are none.. To be honest I dont even know if this story is true. Clearly Palin has made "Family Values" part of her platform so why cant she herself be measured by it? This is all legit. Sure some people spout venom. Ask yourself what was your reaction when people where calling Barack Obama a terroist ? Did you voice your opinion that was so wrong? To this day their are posts on every one of these forums saying osama something. You get what you give I'm sorry to say...

Posted by: sorry | September 2, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Let's get off the Obamanite and be real!...
The fact is that teenage pregnancy is epidemic in the black community, as well as drug abuse, guns and crime.....so let's not let the black community preach about those issues!

Bottom line: Nobama made a big mistake not choosing Hillary Clinton for VP, and instead choosing Biden, who represents more of the same.

On the other side John McCain made a brilliant move choosing Sarah Palin a true reformer that represents true change and gives women recognition as equal beings that should take part of government.

Bravo! John McCain!
All Hillary supporters will vote for you!

Posted by: Manolete | September 2, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

If Sarah Palin needed to prove that her most recent child was truly her son, why not just produce her own hospital records? Why out your own daughter's teen pregnancy as an explansion? It makes no sense and leaves me wondering what her justification for exposing her daughter so unnecessarily could be.

Posted by: Ana | September 2, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

SHE is not putting the spotlight on her daughter, YOU are!! Anyone with class would empathize with their family and leave this alone. That's why Obama said to leave this alone. Liberals are so scared by this woman and the fact that the election is tied even after an amazing Obama speech last week. How low will you go?

Posted by: shader 51 | September 2, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Is this really worthy of being in a magazine? I guess it is true that all media has gone down the drain. Disappointing indeed!

Posted by: Boredwiththepost | September 2, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't matter if I (or anyone else) would or not. Children are always "brought along" on their parents lives, livelihoods, etc...and the decision to be exposed in politics was made long ago by the Palin family. Ergo - invalid question.

The Left is looking for anything it can to halt this runaway train of McCain/ Palin - and it's not working.

Obama's empty, phony dream is lost....and for that, I thank God.

Posted by: JRDevo | September 2, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, people. Since when should a teenage pregnancy stop a grandparent from aspiring to something higher? This little girl obviously has so much more going for her than most pregnant teens. I am quite sure she will want for nothing no matter which direction her mother's career turns. As for the accusation of shotgun wedding, well...that's just a cheap shot. She is making the right decision to raise her child with 2 parents. If she didn't want to suck that up for the rest of her life, she should have considered that before she laid down with this young gentleman.

Posted by: ADH | September 2, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Hi Eugene -- Good question and keep asking too.

The facts:
1) All national politicians bring their families into the national spotlight (bonus points if you can name all the children of the top picks).
2) Palin is not the first politician to have a son or daughter problem (bonus points if you can name another).
3) The new baby would have become public knowledge by the end of this year (independent of the blogger trigger).

As you phrased the question, Palin's best alternative for protecting her family would be instead to leave public office altogether. That would mean resign from being governor to protect her daughter. That conclusion is a fact, not an opinion.

In America, we still have some freedoms to make decisions. Palin's actions to this point demonstrate that she's acting in the best interest of her family and all America by running for office. I hope all the other candidates of every party are as sincere, since their time investment at this level of American politics will necessarily reduce the amount of time and attention that they can spend with their families.

By the way -- I voted Obama in the primaries in Georgia.

Posted by: SanityCheck from Atlanta | September 2, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Robert W from 12:29AM:

A male politician flying the banners of family values and abstinence-only sex education with a 17-year-old unwed pregnant daughter being named the vice presidential candidate for the either party would absolutely be questioned. Please don't kid yourself. And, if I'm being picky (and why not), your phrasing was delightfully clumsy: if a male politician's SON was giving birth, I'm pretty sure that politician would be more than questioned.

Furthermore, your suggestion that a Democrat in a similar position would be somehow safe from criticism is downright laughable.

At any rate, I don't think this is a big deal one way or the other, but you've been living under a rock for the past decade or so if you're actually surprised that the media has hopped on this.

Posted by: paying attention | September 2, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

My how the Liberals are suddenly so "concerned" about Family Values, when a conservative is the person in question! If Sarah Palin were a Liberal, there is no doubt whatsoever that the Liberals would be praising her instead. In fact, if Obama had chosen a similar woman as VP candidate, there would be nary a murmuring word from the Washington Compost and the NY Slimes. I would even bet that if Obama had chosen a Pervert like Gerry Studds, they would be having a parade in his honor at this very moment.

Why then all of the "concern" over Palin's daughter? It's complete hypocrisy as usual, and most Americans recognize it as such.

Posted by: Max | September 2, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin's daughter didn't do anything wrong. Most of us were having sex at the age of 17.. she just got caught and decided to have the baby.

When Gov. Palin was introduced, why didn't they say something like...
"She is a mother of 5 - 1 son in the Army, one daughter who is engaged and expecting, ...etc. etc. and a 5 month old who has special needs...."

Why did they leave out the "engaged and pregnant part?" This is what I am questioning. Why not be upfront in the beginning? If the McCain camp knew about this, then they had to know that it would come out sooner than later. Just be upfront about it.

When Jamie Lynn Spears announced she was pregnant, conservative were all over the radio questioning the parenting skills of the mother and father. Why are they defending Gov. Palin's family? What makes the two family's different? This, I don't understand. I am not a democrat b/c I am so liberal, I have a lot of conservative views. However, I just don't like the spin.

Posted by: lwa | September 2, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Palin will be gone before the election She was not truthful during the vetting process or they didn't ask this question. This is a disaster for the McCain campaign.

Beltway Greg.

Posted by: Beltway Greg | September 2, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

This is one of the most unfair commentaries I have read in a while. To my mind, Gov. Palin acted totally consistent with her beliefs. The author assumes the abortion is acceptable to everyone. Abortion remains an act of personal belief, and therefore for those who think that a life of an unborn child is as worthy as the next person, Ms. Palin acted with total consistency and integrity. It is unacceptable for anybody to impose his/her belief systems to anybody else. As Gov. Palin's daughter is 17 years old, Gov Palin and her husband has the final say on things. In addition, you can avoid putting the spotlight on Gov Palin's daughter by not making these kinds of article/blogs.

Mr. Robinson, everybody know that you are an Obama partisan, but this is totally unworthy of any journalist. BTW, I am democrat.

Posted by: CP Cook | September 2, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

The big question is the political judgement of John McCain. Should he not have brought a greater wisdom to this question, and maybe foregone the political advantage of having Sarah Palin at his side?

His hasty VP choice is starting to look like a liability. Palin may have to step down.

Posted by: Toby | September 2, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

The only reason this should be discussed is because Gov. Palin believes in teaching abstinence only in school, and not teaching about birth control. Since she could be President, and have the ability to affect our, and our children's lives this is definitely something that should be discussed.

Posted by: akcoins | September 2, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

You just got to love these family valued, Fundamental Christian Republican families when then get to Washington. Maybe we need to get some counseling for McCain and Plain's kids. I think they are a bit confused -- the role model is Ronald Reagan, NOT PATTI REAGAN!

Posted by: garage | September 2, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Eugene, Eugene ...

Do you suppose that Bristol Palin and her fiance are the only young people in America having sex (and, therefore, Sarah and Todd the only working couple facing this issue)?

Surely, you don't, because liberals like you are the ones pleading, pleading, and pleading yet again, for us to give teenagers condoms.

If I had been having a drink with you, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, and Norah O'Donnell last week (what a troubling thought, what with me being allergic to silly talk), and I suggested that most young people in America were virgins, you liberals would have laughed your ample asses off.

You know the score, Eugene.

So no more disingenuous columns. Puh-leeze.

Posted by: Eugene's Guardian Angel | September 2, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Victims and Weirdo's you all are.
Who gives a crap ?
Don't vote because her daughter is pregnant?
Weirdo's.
Who cares about that?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe how Republicans have candy coated the issue of teenage pregnancy, and glossed over the real issue here. Abstinence education does not work, condoms do, but you need to know how and when to use the thing. Obviously Sarah Palin herself does not know how to use a condom, nor does she want to know and for that reason alone she should never be allowed to be in the position of VP. What if she has intercourse and gets pregnant again, how is she going to run a country or manage a disaster (again, our country)? She is never going to use birth control because she does not believe in it. Nice!

As far as Bristol goes, most (and I stress most) unmarried 17 year old girls simply do not have the ability to responsibly raise a baby. By the way, that is a period at the end of the last sentence because it is a fact and I am not going to “justify” the whys on this matter because you’re intelligent and you know a fact when it is a fact. In fact, if that fact was not true, then this is an issue we would not be discussing here.

Get real Republicans and pull your heads out of the sand. You can’t tell me that Sarah Palin jumped for joy when her daughter broke the news. Her worst nightmare came true. Sarah Palin has also literally lied about the threat of Polar Bear extinction to attract more revenue for Alaska (using research from ExxonMobil), she abused power of office to have her brother in law fired, she lied about her position on the Bridge to Nowhere to get herself elected Governor (which obviously worked), she kills animals for fun, and she believes in Creationism (what a joke, go read the bible people because she hasn’t, and more than likely neither have the majority of you folks, at least word for word, cover to cover). Our country is heading down the wrong path and 8 years with McPalin will put us so deep, Palins daughters, children’s, children will still be paying for the mistakes the Republicans have made the last 8 years. Take off your blinders people and get bloody real.

Posted by: Get a Clue REPUBLICANS | September 2, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

To the many loony left creeps referring to Bristol Palin's involvement with a much older man, she is 17 and he is 18!
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/republican_race/2008/09/01/2008-09-01_bristol_palins_pregnancy_was_an_open_sec.html

Posted by: Brian | September 2, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

It is an issue only because the Republicans make it an issue. Look at Rush Limbaugh and his attacks on the teenage pregnancy of Jamie Lynn Spears. He had no problem questioning the parenting involved and that didn't even involve one parent embarking on a high-profile political campaign.

But I do think there are plenty of other 'political' questions about Palin that remain unanswered. This is just another distraction from much bigger issues like abuse of power, involvement in 527s (which is counter to McCain's claim), being for the bridge to nowhere until it was no longer convenient, etc.

Ultimately, it looks like she wasn't vetted very thoroughly. The fact they don't have answers for obvious questions related to the above and other issues tells me McCain didn't know very much about his "soulmate".

Posted by: Lost Conservatism | September 2, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

The Obama camp is pulling out all the stops in their attempts to destroy Palin. They must really be afraid of her, what with their campaign of Internet rumors asserting that her son with down syndrome was actually her daughters child. That smear campaign is what forced Palin to reveal her daughters pregnancy in order to ward off even worse nastiness from Obama's amoral Internet supporters. And now you soulless monsters have the gall to attack Palin (and her daughter by proxy) for daring to run for VP with her daughter in such a 'disgraceful state'. What filth you are. What terrified filth you all are. This shows how the establishment democrats really feel about women: they think women should stay at home, mind their kids and leave politics to the big boys like Obama. You failed to nominate the most qualified WOMAN candidate in the party, and now that the republicans have nominated one it's clear that Obama's misogynistic supporters will stop at nothing to destroy her. Forget 'unifying' behind Obama and the woman haters who have seized control of the democratic party - I'm witting in Hillary Clinton on my ballot.

Posted by: Erin | September 2, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Early Alzhiemer's on McCain's Part, that is the only way I can rationalize that he let his handlers talk him into selecting her. What a disaster for the Republican Party. God help the nation if this woman is our VEEP. IF anyone needs to scale back her employment duties and put her family first, it is GOV Palin.

Posted by: Susan | September 2, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Somewhere along the page, I read that H.R.C. supporters will now vote for McCain-Palin. Please don't. Voting for someone just because she's a woman is sexiest in itself.
Anyway, yeah, the poor daughter. This whole thing is utterly crazy.

Posted by: a woman | September 2, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

I did forget to mention that the 3,600 student high school which is across the street from me (in one of the major U.S. cities, in a upper middle class neighborhood) has a day care center for the students' children. This is not unusual in our state and has been the norm for a long time. It is better than killing the unborn, and the students need an education in order to support these children.

Posted by: Millie | September 2, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

I think this could be the final stake in the heart of the main stream Media. Unfortunately, Obama/Biden will pay the price.

Posted by: Johnny C | September 2, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

None of you have the right to say anything bad about St. Palin!

Posted by: topgun | September 2, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

In response to Shallow Green's comment: "I wonder what they would say if Obama's daughters were teens and one was pregnant. Just imagining the offensive sludge that would ooze from the mouths of Hannity and Rush about a pregnant black teen girl is enough to make my skin crawl."

I don't know what "they" would say, but I do know what Mr. Obama said if one of his daughters found herself pregnant "out-of-wedlock" ... "I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

In other words ... to avoid the "punishment" of a baby ... let's just get rid of it.

That's NOT the moral values of the Palins.

Posted by: Carl | September 2, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

This is a legitimate issue Deep Blue....perhaps you would like to answer my question...Why should I support Ms Palin when she supports a policy (abstinance oppossed to actual sex ed) when she can't make it work in her own home?

Posted by: Dallas Mike | September 2, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

This story will be tomorrow's fish wrap. But I was just thinking what Palin's daughter would have gone thru if her mother (already a Governor in the public eye, mind you) had turned down one of the biggest opportunities for a woman in American history on account of her pregnancy? The ultimate guilt trip that would never end! Maybe they had a heart-to-heart, and she said, "Mom...You just have to do it. I can handle it." I would have told my mom to go for it. Plus, in this day of happy hoopla and baby showers and maternity shirts that say, "(big arrow pointing down) BABY" for unmarried pregnant teens, I think shame has become a thing of the past anyway.

Posted by: Dot Davis | September 2, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

I'm totally for Obama, but I have to say Sickoftabloidreporting++

Just shut up about this, leave her alone.

Btw, can you name the other *male* gov's/senators that still ran while their teenage daughter's were pregnant? I thought not. Not such a big issue there I guess.

Posted by: robin | September 2, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

bunch of drunkards or simpletons to care about that

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Come on let’s be honest, a woman is not capable of running the country, moms should be home bare foot and pregnant. I mean I could support Hillary because she was not a typical woman, she was kind of smarter than the average career woman. Seriously do we really think a mid forties mom is more intelligent than a man like Biden?

Posted by: Billy | September 2, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

I find it ironic, and hypocritical of Mr. Johnson (who is clearly driven by a not so subconscious interest in having Obama elected) to make it sound like Ms. Palin should reject an offer to be VP because of her daughter. And it is NOT TRUE that the same would be expected of a male, compare this to Bill Clinton (heck, he had to go on Tv and discuss his infidelity on 60 minutes, how does THAT help his daughter). In addition, for liberals to claim that this is such a big deal, when this type of incident is confronted in every day life, in the press, and in all forms of entertainment, especially liberal movies (look at the recent movie "Juno" which won an Oscar by the Holywood liberals, and in that movie, the baby is given away!) is the height of hypocrisy. So first, I do not subscribe to the notion that her 17 year old daughter will be hurt by this immeasurably. She has a loving family that will protect her and guide her, her mother was anyway governor, so it would have been a big deal sooner or later, and she will get over the "embarassment" thanks to the liberals which have made these types of events not so embarrassing (liberals suddenly make it sound like we live in the middle ages or in monasteries). In addition, for someone to suggest that her mother's entire career and life should be put on hold for this is ridiculous and sexist. Besides, would we be having this discussion is her daughter Bristol were just one year older at 18? So by next year, this all blows away. I find it sad that the women who are self-proclaimed feminists are not standing up to defend Governor Palin, irrespective if she believes in abortion rights or not, she is a woman and has made something of herself, while raising a good family, and she is now being pounded with lies, smears, and having her judgment and her parenting skills questioned by a lnych mob. I am ashamed of the Democrats for proving themselves as vindictive as they project the Republicans to be, I am ashamed of our media that have let the rumors fly and bought into them, and I am ashamed of my Country.

Posted by: JJ123 | September 2, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

The mass of liberals has erupted in hate towards a 17 year old girl. And they just handed McCain the Presidency.

Posted by: reason | September 2, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

A private matter that Dems should remember "don't throw stones if you live in a glass house." Obviously these petty attacks show Palin is a threat!

Posted by: JDC | September 2, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

This is a non-story.

Posted by: Feminist | September 2, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Interesting take ...

I think the right question is whether or not the MEDIA is going to treat the issue fairly and with respect. No public servant should ever have to fear for their family's safety or well-being. The issue is whether or not the media decides to blow this out of proportion.

Let's not be naîve here. We all know that 17-year olds have been known to get pregnant. This should not be viewed as bad parenting, nor should parents who find themselves in such a situation and who believe in pro-life and abstinence be considered hypocrites. I would understand the argument if her daughter were as young as 14 or 15, however we all need to be honest and admit that a large percentage of 17 year olds are sexually active, regardless of what their parents believe.

Find a new smear tactic please.

Posted by: InnominateUser | September 2, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe how Republicans have candy coated the issue of teenage pregnancy, and glossed over the real issue here. Abstinence education does not work, condoms do, but you need to know how and when to use the thing. Obviously Sarah Palin herself does not know how to use a condom, nor does she want to know and for that reason alone she should never be allowed to be in the position of VP. What if she has intercourse and gets pregnant again, how is she going to run a country or manage a disaster (again, our country)? She is never going to use birth control because she does not believe in it. Nice!

As far as Bristol goes, most (and I stress most) unmarried 17 year old girls simply do not have the ability to responsibly raise a baby. By the way, that is a period at the end of the last sentence because it is a fact and I am not going to “justify” the whys on this matter because you’re intelligent and you know a fact when it is a fact. In fact, if that fact was not true, then this is an issue we would not be discussing here.

Get real Republicans and pull your heads out of the sand. You can’t tell me that Sarah Palin jumped for joy when her daughter broke the news. Her worst nightmare came true. Sarah Palin has also literally lied about the threat of Polar Bear extinction to attract more revenue for Alaska (using research from ExxonMobil), she abused power of office to have her brother in law fired, she lied about her position on the Bridge to Nowhere to get herself elected Governor (which obviously worked), she kills animals for fun, and she believes in Creationism (what a joke, go read the bible people because she hasn’t, and more than likely neither have the majority of you folks, at least word for word, cover to cover). Our country is heading down the wrong path and 8 years with McPalin will put us so deep, Palins daughters, children’s, children will still be paying for the mistakes the Republicans have made the last 8 years. Take off your blinders people and get bloody real.

Posted by: Get a Clue REPUBLICANS | September 2, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

I am currently registered Republican but I am DISMAYED by the direction the GOP is going right now. I think that McCain has quite possibly lost it. How could Palin even accept the VP nomination when she has a less than a year old child, let alone one with special needs? And now it comes out that her daughter is pregnant? It is very clear that she needs to spend more time at home with her children rather that pursuing her own selfish political agenda.

McCain needs to think before he decides to choose someone who will be next in line if he is somehow disabled.

Responding to Suzanne -- While we will all probably agree that bringing a child into the world is a beautiful thing; why would Palin decide to throw her own child into the spotlight during such a tumultuous time? Clearly she does not understand the rigor of a national political campaign. The fact that she cannot handle her own family should make us ALL wonder if she's fit to run the country.

Posted by: Durp | September 2, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

If you are going to have 5 children YOU SHOULD PARENT THEM! Obviously, parenting isn't going on instead this women is gone promoting her career and own interests.

It's either have a big family or a career!

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT THE COUNTRY AND THE MESS BUSH HAS GOTTEN US INTO.

Katrina
Bank Crisis
Energy Crisis
Housing Crisis
High Unemployment
Low economic grow
A very expensive occupation
A weak dollar
A huge nation debit

Great job Bush and Republicans!

Eight is enough!

I am independant

Posted by: Bush | September 2, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse


McCain really wanted a man for VP, but is getting "credit" for picking a woman. He claims he and his team properly vetted Palin, but now admits that they did not. (McCain only met her once before picking her). This whole debacle indicates McCain is already being manipulated by others . (He really wanted someone who was pro-choice, but was forced to pick someone anti-choice like Palin instead.) It really is more of the same Bush Administration antics, and it scares me. Leave Palin out of this--it's all about McCain's incompetence.

Posted by: sam s. | September 2, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

good thing none of you idiots run the country.
hahahhahaha
psychos no doubt

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Democrats, vote for Brad and Angelina.....now there is family values.

Posted by: Rick | September 2, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

It is clear that Sarah Palin's political ambition matters more to her than he daughter's welfare.

Posted by: gb | September 2, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

A candidate’s moral character is a salient issue in presidential politics.

The Republicans casual brush off that "This happens to so many families," is such a moral cop out!

Millions of you teenage girls DON’T get pregnant. National Center for Health Statistics reports a decline in teen sexual behavior and teen pregnancy. Most teens’ behavior and their moral anchors rest upon their parents guidance and influence.

What is there lacking within the Palin household that compelled one of their girls to seek a moment's intense affections down the street? Her parents’ characters and values- or lack thereof?

Posted by: Todd | September 2, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

The VP's daughter will be a role model/hero to many young christian girls...get pregnant and enjoy the same fame as Hannah Montana and Britney Spears! Be the first one in your class to make your highschool boyfriend marry you, get all the attention at church for doing the right thing! Not only new clothes and parties and spotlight stories in the local press, but also everyone will tell you its a miricle; and that you are fulfilling God's own plan. Then when it all gets old, say when the baby is four months old....like the VP's infant child, leave it with others while you go back to start a ambitious career. What kind of example is therepublican party trying to set for all the 7-17 year old girls out there? If a democratic candidate had a pregnent unwed teenage mother we'd be hearing how they were immoral and unfit to lead; what kind of ungodly double standard is this?

Posted by: R in Colorado | September 2, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

This is what we get when we don't teach sex education but preach abstinence only to our youth. It clearly doesn't work. We can't afford to have another conservative in the White House. This is just another great example of it!

Posted by: thtw | September 2, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Sarah didn't "do" this to her daughter. Her daughter, as many girls around the nation, made a choice and must live with the consequences. No matter what is going on in their personal lives, they will be under scrutiny. As governor, she would be under statewide scrutiny; as VP she will be under national scrutiny. They appear to be a close family, and I am sure they will weather this as a family, and eventually will be stronger for having gone through it.

Posted by: Joyce | September 2, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Obama's mother was 3 months pregmant when she married Barak Sr. That marriage didn't last, but the kid turned out Ok, and Republicans have never found it necessary to describe Barak's mom or grandmom in any sort of negative way.

And yet here are Obama supporters saying that Bristol's family will of course produce only misery, and that Sarah Palin should not be promoted because she should be at home raising kids as her duty and natural role as mom.

I think swing voters (not blinded by partisanship) will find themselves wanting to be supportive of Palin's choices and ambition to break a glass ceiling while at the same time being a mom.

Posted by: Kevin C | September 2, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Why aren't we talking about McCain having the GOP nomination sewn up in March 2008? He's had "five months" to select a VP to run with. And, he selects Palin? What kind of judgment does McCain show, with five months to select the right person to support his ticket to the White House?

Posted by: WayBeyondSoccerMom | September 2, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

There is nothing sexist about this question! When Elizabeth Edwards disclosed that her cancer had returned there was a media frenzy over the question whether John Edwards -- her HUSBAND, her MALE husband -- would drop out of the race to care for her and avoid putting stress on her. In 1992, Al Gore declined to run for president because his son had just nearly been killed when hit by a car. This knee-jerk pseudo-feminist garbage about no one ever thinking about family impacts in connection with male candidates has no foundation in reality.

Posted by: uh_huhh | September 2, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Right on Billy!
I’m for Obama all the way because the idea of a woman in the oval office scares the crap out of me.

Posted by: Dave | September 2, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

McCain picked Palin because no other Republican would take the job, nor does the Republican Party want anyone to take the job. Therefore Sarah Palin was a great choice. In the coming days she will have to stand up and defend George Bush and John McCain's record, and only someone like her could even try to do that, because it is indefensible. This will be the last we will here from her, because her political career will be over after this. She will be sacrificed. They know they are going to lose, so they need to cut their losses, at the same time looking as if they had made a progressive, revolutionary choice.

Posted by: Stevemar | September 2, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Palins daughters baby impact on the world . . . 0%
Obama's radical associations potential impact on the world . . . 100%

Yet liberals are frothing at the mouth over the daughter of Palin.

Be worried about Obama's hidden agenda, the ideology he is fronting for. Keep in mind that he is only a very useful front man, an actor, a speech giver . . . behind him is a virulent ideology of Neo-Marxist control. Be worried about that and don't pull the lever for Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight...Liberals would be much, much happier with the situation if Sarah and her daughter had both had abortions?...whew! That would have solved everything!
Save a baby..Kill a liberal!

Posted by: Joni | September 2, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

This is why good people don't run for office more often, cause the media goes after their family. Gotta bite he bullet here.

Perhaps Eugene Robinson's real problem is he's afraid she's a good candidate and so he's trying to shame her?

Posted by: Seanez | September 2, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

It is revealing to see the true grit the self riotous 'compassionate' (Ha!) liberal left is made of.

Unless the liberal left gets a grip and starts behaving themselves, the Messiah just might fall from his pillar, right before their eyes.

Posted by: Keith | September 2, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Let's see,
Romney had five healthy kids, all of whom avoided procreating prior to marriage. He had two advanced degrees from Harvard, though his father was born in Mexico as a Mormon refugee. He never drank a drop of alcohol (so no DUI's), he never even considered drugs. He made millions on his own, never cheated on his wife, GOVERNED a state, and ran the olympics! I still cannot believe the only dirt anyone could find on him was this: he's too handsome and successful and he's changed his mind before. Oh wait, the real dirt was that he's Mormon. Glad that was such a big friggin' deal all of you who voted for a cancerous old man or a special needs Arkansas governor. Romney was the only one who actually lived an exemplary life. Now we've got Palin, whom I want to like, but who is, as best, a below average example. Good job bigots, now we get to have Hussein in the White House!

Posted by: Alex | September 2, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

If this was a male candidate no one would have questioned whether or not he was the true parent of one of his children. I disagree anyone would be discussing the pregnancy of his daughter, married or otherwise. At most it would be a footnote. This is a double standard being applied by those who pay lip-service to gender equality. If I was Bristol and my mother was Sarah Palin I would be so proud of her, and so proud to be her daughter, I would not care what all the petty gossips had to say. This may well be how the young lady feels. None of you know otherwise, and yet you continue to wag your tongues. YOU are the cruel and vicious ones. You use any means you can to try to keep those who disagree with you pigeon-holed and out of power. Thank God for Sarah Palin, John McCain and others like them who have the guts to stand up and weather your crap.

Posted by: pawprints | September 2, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse


L'il Juno and the "Barracuda" are stealing the spotlight from McCain. I think he'll come to regret it. Should've done better vetting.

Posted by: Sick of spin | September 2, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin has blown her fifteen minutes, and she needs to find the exit.

When I think of the many credible individuals McCain passed over to choose this trashy VPILK (as they're calling her) . . . well, it makes me wanna holler.

Posted by: Achshav | September 2, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Yes, we have seen that all too often; and I can't really say that I'm surprised that another MSNBC contributor like Robinson would again denigerate another female politician just because he wants to push Obama's candidacy without any fairness or deference to the truth.

As a Clinton supporter during the primaries, I can say that Robinson has been one of the most unabashedly mysogynous figures toward the former first lady. Some of the MSNBC hosts and contributors clearly tried to inject race and gender into the conversation at every turn to help make the arguments of Mr. Obama. It is strongly suspected according to some reports, around the time of th NH primary, that Eugene Robinson along with KO and another MSNBC contributor that should remain unnamed, that intentionally tried to Bill Clinton's "fairy tale" comment into something related to race, even though that intepretation would have nothing to do with the real intention of Pres Clinton in the context of his discourse.

Here he goes again with the same tactics of subtly injecting sexism into this race to aid his favorate son. This is truly shameful.

Posted by: Jamie from Maryland Heights Missouri | September 2, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Having family values doesn't mean that you don't make mistakes. Everyone is human--dem and republican alike---and as a mom to four children I can tell you that you can raise your children with excellent values and then they go off and make mistakes all the same. It's human nature. Is this an optimal situation for this girl? Of course not. I hope (and suspect) that Palin talked to her children and her pregnant daughter about her decision beforehand. They knew this was going to be scrutinized.

Give her a break.

Posted by: Pamela | September 2, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

It's clear to me that liberals have a good heart but they are unquestionably naive. Their viewpoint is very narrow...such is the case with this article. If this were a democrat's child...this would not be a story---it would just pass as has Obama's lack of experience and lack of leadership. This article is another in a long list of attacks on conservatives---trying to make something out of nothing---trying to pass their view on to others instead of allowing for personal privacy, personal decisions, and personal accountabilty. I am disheartened that anyone took time to write an article such as this...very sad.

Posted by: Alan | September 2, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Really, is it so important to know whether or not McCain knew, in advance of naming her his running mate? Or is it more important to ask, did Sarah Palin know that her daughter was having unprotected sex as a minor? If that's the sort of thing that is happening right under her nose in her own household, what does it say about the potential of things that could go on in this country, right under her nose?

Posted by: LB | September 2, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

.
So, I'm reading through other comments, and there's this idea that Hilary is qualified to be President, but Sarah isn't.

Let's see:
Hillary got famous by marrying a guy who went on to be state attorney general and later governor.
Sarah got famous by getting elected Governor herself.

Help me out here, folks.
How is Hillary qualified ?
Because she was so good at riding coattails, and didn't dump her hubby when any self-respecting woman would have,
but clung even tighter to the coattails and parlayed party loyalty into a seat in the Senate ?

Unlike Joe, above, Hilary has never actually accomplished anything on her own.
Joe at least got elected on his own.

I think what the Hilary supporters find most offensive is that Sarah made herself into a success, without having to eat crow for decades.
.

Posted by: Brian, again | September 2, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Billy, You are an idiot! Palin commands respect and support, where as the majority of other politicians naturally divide. Seems like the Republicans have nailed down the "special trust and confidence issue" this time.

Posted by: JDC | September 2, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, but is the daughter hot? If so, I think it is ok. Hot girls should be able to do whatever, and who cares about what anyone thinks? So, I will vote for the mother of a hot girl. However, if the girl is not hot, kinda skanky, you know, like my girlfriend, then I will not vote for her, cuz who cares about those girls and their mothers? Not me. Then, it's Democratic all the way! I vote HOT--maybe there should be a HOT party. I am not sure they would let me in, but that's not a problem if I could just come to their convention and such.

Posted by: pdxperson | September 2, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

I have come to pity liberals. They are like the ranting madmen you occasionally see on some street corner. They are menacing, vocal and even dangerous but plainly insane and not to be taken seriously. I will not even bother to refute their nonsense. I merely keep an eye on them as I walk on by in the hope I get out of their range unharmed.

Posted by: Ron | September 2, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Perfection, that is the most important thing.
I cannot vote for anyone that is not perfect. Then the spouse too must be perfect, in every way. The children must be perfect, the pets, the parents, friends, neighbors, schools, clothes, and food they eat must all be perfect. In my "Judgment", my judgment is always right, I have never miss-judged anyone unfairly. I use the same rule to judge everyone. You must see by now I too am perfect and that is why I demand perfection from everyone else.

Posted by: Larry B | September 2, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

I like that Obama can show his family to America without scandal. We are all curious who will run our country and what values they bring to the table. The transparency with Obama and his family is real, he is proud of his family and was not afraid to show them to the world. I want leaders that teach their children to make the right choices. I think the GOP has ditched conservative family values. I will vote Democtrat this time. I don't remember a time with such poor leadership .

Posted by: john | September 2, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

The issue raised by Robinson is legitimate in light of the debate regarding parental notification of abortions to be performed on minors. If this is the choice of the daughter then we should leave the matter alone. But if this is the parents' choice it deserve further scrutiny. Particularly as the father to be is saying that he is not interested in having kids...

Posted by: HybridTea | September 2, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Hithere, calm down ...I am 70yrs old and I have learned what compasion is..for sure.
iF THIS YOUNG GIRL IS GOING TO HAVE A CHILD. MORE POWER TO HER.you who think that life is so cheap that you can say when it begins are people who think just of yourselfs. Hey give the little ones a chance and see what they can do...........

Posted by: Diane Smith | September 2, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Eugene, Eugene ...

You simply don't have that kind of authority --- you can't tell everyone with a knocked up teenage daughter that they can't work anymore!

No more lectures from you to McCain on the economy, Big Guy, cause you just about gave the GDP a great big whack.

Hmmm ... I thought you were smart. Maybe I'm not smart for thinking YOU were smart.

I don't think I want to be your Guardian Angel anymore --- too depressing.

Posted by: Eugene's Guardian Angel | September 2, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

If she was a man this wouldnt be the big scandal you are making it out to be. Every family has problems and I am sure this decision to become the candidate was thoroughly thought out and discussed with the family.

Posted by: rcc | September 2, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

None of the notoriety would have been a blip on the newsrags of America if the lead lib rag, The Daily KOS, had not allowed some cretin to question if Sarah Palin was not the mother of her own baby. Their outright lying about the child is anathema to American integrity in print. If it had been one of BO's daughters who was unwed and pregnant, he would not allow the girl to be "PUNISHED" with carrying her child to term! The bottom feeding scum of the "KOS" and other such lib muckraking sites on the web are the real enemy of this country, and should be muzzled as the curs they are!

Posted by: Just One American | September 2, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

It was probably more important what her friends at high school thought than what the collective psyche of the American press thinks. Journalists, as usual, have put on what Tom Wolfe called it's Victorian Gentleman's voice, to chide her with a morality that people haven't held since the mid-50s.

Posted by: John Bailo | September 2, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

The girl is old enough to have consensual sex and get pregnant, she's old enough to stand up to the scrutiny.

This isn't something her mother did to her, it's the other way around. Seventeen is no child and Mommy isn't a hypocrite, she simply failed to get compliance to her beliefs. Big deal, how often did you know better and still defy your parents?

The only hypocrisy would be to have an abortion at this point.

Posted by: Libertarian Voter | September 2, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

1. The Palin family probably did discuss this prior to Sarah Palin accepting the offer.
2. Consider the damage done to Bristol had her mom not accepted the offer. The guilt associated with be the reason for preventing history from being made and the guilt associated with being responsible for changing the potential course of the nation would be much greater than having to deal with media scrutiny.
3. The assumption made by you is that the media will treat Bristol harshly. The oxymoron is that you are implying that Sarah Palin is wrong for not protecting her daughter from the likes of you. There's the ultimate disconnect.

Posted by: Rose | September 2, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Robinson, your article is another example of liberal hypocrisy. Should Bill Clinton have put his wife and daughter through the awful ordeal of his Monica affair? Give me a break with your patronizing attitude - what kind of mother would put her kid through what - through doing what the child had already chosen to do or being put through a frenzied media attack? Life is about choices. Bristol made her choice, and it should not prevent her mother from making the choice to run for VP. You talk about equality, but how are women going to be treated equally when you hold them to the standard of being responsible for their daughter's actions? Even your Messiah Obama has said that you cannot condemn what the daughter did because his mother did something similar, then you attack the mother for putting her through what? Teenage girls have been getting pregnant for longer than recorded history, and many of them today have had hours of sex education in school, so quit mixing issues. It is you and your fanatical liberal friends in the media's venomous attack mill that are wrongly and scandalously putting the young expectant mother through an ordeal. By the way, have you checked on how many governor's Senator's, Congressmen(women)'s children have had a DUI, gotten pregnant, or gotten venereal disease? Have you forgotten Al (Save the Planet) Gore's son got a stopped for reckless driving going 100 mph in a residential zone? Even doing that in the Prius he was driving must have cost his father a few carbon credits not to mention the hefty fine I am sure he helped him pay with his many millions. Crawl in a hole, Robinson.

Posted by: Dennis | September 2, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

I watched the Republicans dish it out all last week. They can dish it but can not take it.

How can they support or justify this? This women should parent her children. Not add to the mess that Bush and the Republicans have created.

Independent

Posted by: Americin | September 2, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

McCain / Palin is an exciting ticket judging by all the posts here. Palin's personal life has challenges. For someone with a marriage, 5 children, and a career this is normal.

Unfortunately for democrats, she'll never be able to compete with intern oral sex, calling black people "clean," or calling a pregnancy a punishment.

McCain/Palin have raised over $10 Million in the last 72 hours and are very energized. McCain will peak in early November unlike Obumma who peaked in March!

Posted by: HK | September 2, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

I wish this was not getting personal, this should not be about Sarah Palins daughter. Obama has asked that people not make this an issue.

Please get back to the issues which are:

McCain wanted to get into Iraq in 2002 even though everybody knows worldwide it was in unjust and mistaken war( No disrespect for the soldiers there they are heros, they should not be there though).

McCain wants to stay in Iraq for years to come if he had a choice (he forgets the singular issue that we cannot continue to occupy that country and waste 10 billion dollars a month when there are so many needs in America).

The economy is in shambles and McCain has no idea what to do with the economy and has said so.

On Energy McCain has no clear energy policy other than trying to trick people with the drill here drill now!!! It is a known fact that it will be 7 years apart from a feel good feeling before offshore drilling makes any difference. I have no issue with off-shore drilling but please lets have an energy plan for the US for the next 50 years that will create new jobs and show what america is capable. Please lets just have some vision here.


There are so many other issues, Health care is spiraling out of control we need some change here!!

America is in the drain as far as how the world perceive America - We need some change here!

There are so many important issues for this election, please lets stop talking about Sarah Palin, and please not bring her 17 year old daughter into this.

Its time to think about America on policies and what this country needs not what party you have belonged to forever. Its about the policies and it always should be!

This election is not about Sarah Palin or Biden, its about where this country stands now and who you think can inspire this country for the next decade.

What is best for America!!!

Posted by: Nick | September 2, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Robinson, I have a lot of respect for you as a journalist and am shocked by the stupidity and crassness of some of the personal attacks on you- and an obviously great, thought-provoking column.

Another thing I can't help but wonder- when you're that far right, doesn't abstinence include no birth control?... This, I think, is part of what we're dealing with. I can't believe the average American could approve how this is all being handled by the Palin family, and John McCain's part in it.

Posted by: Mitch | September 2, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

This is what we get when we don't teach sex education but preach abstinence only to our youth. It clearly doesn't work. We can't afford to have another conservative in the White House. This is just another great example of it!

Posted by: Eric | September 2, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

It drives me crazy that conservatives are trying to spin this into a good thing. How is a 17 year-old pregnant and getting married a good thing? I wouldn't blame the parents in 100% of cases when the daughter ends up pregnant, but in this case I think it speaks to the ineffectiveness of conservative values like abstinence-only sex education and making teens get married because they get pregnant.

How is it a good thing for America to have 17 year-olds having kids and getting married? Does anybody wonder why the divorce rate in this country is so high? Doesn't it seem like she could have a more positive impact on the country if she could go to college and wait until she finds the right guy to settle down and have a family? I'm not advocating abortion, but I'm blaming her mother for not teaching her about birth-control.

Posted by: Eric | September 2, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

You know, I have read all the posts here, and it's very interesting...if Sarah Palin would have had an abortion when she found out Trig had downs and if she would have consented for Bristol to have an abortion when she found out she was pregnant...then none of you all would be the wiser...and then she would be a pro-abortion democrat or a hypocrite...but, she did not - if she was a man whose wife had five children and one with special needs and a teenager daughter who was pregnant...then what would you all be saying...I THINK that Sarah Palin is brave and honorable to stand by her convictions in the midst of true human behavior displayed in the spotlight of the world's view. Now, let's focus on the issues....

Posted by: Shaneybird | September 2, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Where is the moral authority and family values of the 2nd highest post in the nation now folks? Should we forget the whole fuss these bloody GOP fellas created for Bill Clinton? Heck no. This needs as much publicity as Clinton's case. Let them taste the medicine a bit as well. Feel the pain Palin's daughter might be going through. But, it is her mother's choosing. She needs to pay the price, unfortunately. It ain't that simple. Some of us DO remember! It is not to say that Bill Clinton was right. However, this issue must get national coverage. The so called torch bearer of family values must be put to test. Especially a female who is running for the 2nd higher political post in the nation.

Posted by: Raj | September 2, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

PLEASE! Isn't this AMERICA? Just because someone's child has made a poor decision (and whose hasn't) SHOULDN'T mean they should give up on their own life, dreams and goals. Let's focus on what kind of leader Gov. Palin would be for U.S.

Posted by: A daughter | September 2, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

This is so pathetic. Concentrate on the main issues.

Posted by: Jack | September 2, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Gene,
You are right on the money here. The obvious answer to your question is :NO, of course I wouldn't do this to my daughter. I would never enter into a race with this much on my plate at home. I thought it was a huge mistake on McCain's part for picking her so hastily!! If this isn't a commercial "Abstinence only works for me!" I don't know what is! Welcome to the real world where teens will do what teens have always done, purity pledges and chastity agreements are ridiculous ways these right wingers think they can control their children. I have 20 yr old twins and I had an extremely open relationship about the realities of being sexually active with them from a very young age. They are wonderful,well adjusted kids who know how to protect themselves and have made good decisions based on all the information.
GO OBAMA!

Posted by: TrishAZ | September 2, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

As President of the Sarah Palin Admiration Society (www.SarahPalinAdmirationSociety.com) I take offense at the notion that Sarah is somehow responsible for this mess. We must remember that Sarah was Governor of Alaska during the time of the conception and therefore can be excused of parental responsibility and other matters of the family. I take it as a very positive sign that Sarah would not let this family matter interfere with her execution of the public trust in such matters as making sure that her ex-brother in law was not on the public payroll to abuse the public trust.

Posted by: Zeke Daniels | September 2, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

I want an answer. IS Trig Sarah's or Bristol's. This question cannot be glossed over until an answer is secured by someone other than the spin doctors.

C'mon press...you uncovered John Edwards trysts, surely you can chase down who is the mother/father of this child. It makes ALL the difference in the world. If Sarah Palin faked a pregnancy, then she is a SICK woman. End of subject.


Posted by: liffa | September 2, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

all i can think about, is how much more can one pile onto one's plate... she's got a family, namely a 4 month old with special needs to take care of, and a grandchild to take care of, and a daughter to advise and take care of, and then to be a possible president of the US, all in a matter of months! woah, damn the devil and his cards... who then comes first....

Posted by: dorothy t | September 2, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse


Hello you brilliant Republicans that can't make your way through an article:

Mr. Robinson was reporting on a legitimate question that a number of people, including myself, have on their minds:

How could a parent (ANY parent, male or female) put their vulnerable, pregnant, 17 year old child through the wringer known as the media, just to fulfill their own selfish ambitions?

This is not a SEXIST question. This is a HUMAN question. If this person care so little for her own child, how do you expect her to care for her Country?

Grow up!

Posted by: RobinL | September 2, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Love those Sexist Democrats. Middle america is seeing you in all your hate filled glory right now.

Posted by: reason | September 2, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Sorry.....2. the guilt associated with "being" the reason....

Posted by: Rose | September 2, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

The fact that Sarah Palin's daughter is pregnant at 17 is a failing of the daughter, not the mother. Mrs. Palin's statement acknowledging her daughter's right to make decisions for herself is what a parent is supposed to do. The unfortunate situation has put her daughter's poor decisions in the spotlight, but Mrs. Palin's firm stance behind her daughter speaks to her willingness to stand up when tough decisions have to be made. I'm sure she would have preferred that her daughter wait until she was married to get pregnant, but that's not what happened - so you face the situation head on and deal with it.

If/when she takes on the role of VP, she'll walk into bad situation created by the former leaders of our country. She and McCain will have to make tough decisions about other peoples choices and do what's best regarding our nation. I trust McCain/Palin INFINITELY more than Obama/Biden to make tough, reasonable decisions.

Posted by: ukonical | September 2, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

THIS IS AN ISSUE! It shows a lot about McShame's and this women's character. McShame should have known that would distract from the actual issues. Country First no McShame first.

What about the mess the Republicans and Bush have created?

You can dish it but not take it. THIS IS WHAT THE VP DOES. SHE IS NOW A PUBLIC FIGURE!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Ths demonstrates the double standard of the liberal press and the hypocrisy of the left. The press is doing this to Sarah's daughter. You guys are digging for dirt and fast! All in the name of "the good of the country." Look, the reason this thing is an issue is because you don't like Palin's politics plain and simple. I question your judgment not McCain's. You'll do anything and hurt anybody to advance your own cause. I don't have a problem with you having your political views but I do have a problem with your tactics. If you really have a better idea about policy then stick to covering issues and let your views win in the marketplace of ideas.

All of you people who oppose abstinence are full of glee because you think Sarah failed. She didn't fail, her daughter failed. A 17 year old has a mind of their own and you know as well as anyone that you can teach them right but they don't always listen to what you say.

So much for the "compassion" of liberals.

Posted by: Rick W | September 2, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

McCain keeps making little mistakes. I saw let the old guy keep making them into ' 09, while Barack moves in and palin goes back to Alaska with her daughter and new grandchild in tow. Family Values? Gotta love them Republicans

Posted by: Ben Smith | September 2, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

This is pathetic. You guys are so scared of Palin that you are trying to find any angle you can to criticize her. Not gonna work, and it's only making you look mean-spirited, irrational, and trifling (aka making you look like liberals). Well let's see, the polls say nobody cares about troopergate, Obama can't make the experience argument since he has even less than she does, Obama can't pick on McCain for his age since his own chosen running mate is only 5 years younger, what's left? Now you're really reaching, and if you weren't using a kid as a tool it would be laughable. As it is, it's just sick.

Sorry gang but now the Republicans have a "cult of personality" candidate too. And suddenly the Marxist from Chicago don't look so divine after all. I think the Republicans just wrapped up the White House for another 12-16 years with this choice.

Posted by: Mike | September 2, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

By the logic of the faux "outraged" here, it would appear that any female politician, holding *any* political office anywhere in America, should immediately resign her elected position as soon as her child does something embarrassing in private, so as to spare said child the embarrassment resulting from their behavior.

Never before has such a ridiculous, sexist position ever been asserted seriously. This kind of irresponsible behavior is why Democrats cannot win an election even when it has been handed to them on a silver platter - they can't help but say stupid things like this, and in total seriousness, too!

They never, ever learn. They never, ever grow up. As long as this keeps up (and there's no reason why it shouldn't), we've got a pretty good shot at pulling off the upset of the century. :-)

Posted by: Mark | September 2, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

The best argument for abortion interesingly enough comes from Obama's mother who was pregnant out of wedlock and chose to have the child instead of aborting it. Now if she would have aborted it . . . ???

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

I will now retire to bedlam and hope to be transformed to a wonderful moment. The morning I awoke on Tuesday 20 January 1981.

Posted by: jnc | September 2, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

If she cannot raise her children, can she lead a country ?

Posted by: Spirine | September 2, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Some questions you should ask yourself.

Palin - A good christian, mother, wife. Or is she?

She is good at her job, but is she good at her home as a mother or wife?

Isn't abstinence an important teaching in Christianity? Isn't it the responsibility of the parents to impart that knowledge?

Does her daughters life value more that a puppet position in the White House?

Will a quick-fix marriage actually fix an accidental (I am sure) pregnancy?

Are family values applicable only to normal citizens and not to the politicians?

Is she the right role model to have?

Does she understand that she is just a pawn in the political game who will be used and discarded?

I believe that we are not a country that keeps politics above family. We are not a country that keeps national hypocrisies above family. Ask yourself these questions and look at the broader picture.

Who needs her most? The politicians or her children?

Posted by: PD | September 2, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

"Obviously parenting hasn't gone on?" What an idiotic statement. There is no way you would be making that statement about a male democratic politician. You would never state that he had not "parented" his children just because a 17 year old became pregnant. And don't tell me it hasn't happened. It's just that no one pays attention when it is a male candidate - particulaly a democratic male candidate.

Posted by: pawrpints | September 2, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

This is extremely sexist and hypocritical. There are millions of unwed mothers out there who will relate to this. And to hear this come from the party of single moms, homosexuals, and every other social ill is turning my stomach. Christians make mistakes. But we don't punich the whole family for it. We love people back to Christ. Not demonize them. The press and the democrats should be ashamed of themselves.

Posted by: Common Snese | September 2, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

I don't think the question is sexist at all. I think the hypocracy of Palin's positions versus the reality of her home life is what is offensive. On top of which, what mother wants to put her children through such turmoil. To me it is just as un-family values as John Edwards's decision to put his name in the hat for president when he knew that the kind of media scrutiny and scandal that his wife and kids would have been put through had he won.

These are signs of poor judgment. Also, if McCain's team knew about this, then also sign of poor judgment. Is the McCain/Palin organization promoting teenage pregnancy? Teenage sex? What?

Hypocracy at its worst.

Posted by: Maureen | September 2, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's daughter's life is none of our business!! Do you want a video of the event that caused this furor?

Posted by: Ron Breen | September 2, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

"I'll say it again, it does not make any difference who it comes from, the bottom line it isn't any of your business what a family does as long as it isn't hurting you."

Posted by: Roger | September 2, 2008 12:28 AM

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The ones who are saying the above quote are the same ones who are telling us abortion is morally wrong.

No one can stop the news from spreading. Journalists may abstain, but the new goes on.

And there's a reason for this. Everyone is shaking their heads at McCain, and now at Palin. Telling Mr. Robinson to shut it isn't going to stop this discussion from taking place. People are talking because both McCain's pick and Palin's history speak volumes about their individual judgment, whether you want to believe it or not.

Only those in denial can't see the events of the past week as serious lapses of judgment for both McCain and Palin. You can tell us to shut up, you can say it's none of our business, but most of country is not in denial, and these events have clearly been bad for McCain's campaign.

Mr. Robinson's article is written after-the-fact, after the disclosure. There is nothing inappropriate about asking a question concerning a matter that is already widely known. This is not gossip, but a serious question of judgment.

Posted by: WDA | September 2, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

It will be interesting to see if anyone asks Sarah Palin if she still fully supports abstinence only education.

BTW, aren't you supposed to have the shotgun wedding before the baby bump, or is that just old fashioned?

Posted by: DL | September 2, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Some questions you should ask yourself.

Palin - A good christian, mother, wife. Or is she?

She is good at her job, but is she good at her home as a mother or wife?

Isn't abstinence an important teaching in Christianity? Isn't it the responsibility of the parents to impart that knowledge?

Does her daughters life value more that a puppet position in the White House?

Will a quick-fix marriage actually fix an accidental (I am sure) pregnancy?

Are family values applicable only to normal citizens and not to the politicians?

Is she the right role model to have?

Does she understand that she is just a pawn in the political game who will be used and discarded?

I believe that we are not a country that keeps politics above family. We are not a country that keeps national hypocrisies above family. Ask yourself these questions and look at the broader picture.

Who needs her most? The politicians or her children?

Posted by: PD | September 2, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

If this were Barack Obama's 17 year old daughter the right would have a field day. Sarah Palin and her husband obviously have parenting issues. Girls this age should not be getting pregant. They learn the consequences of having sex at school and should be taught it at home too. I feel there has been a breakdown of values in the home and the mother and father are to blame. Again, the fact that she is five months along and still unmarried makes the situation even worse and if the evangelicals who support her give their approval then they are hypocrites.

Posted by: Bill | September 2, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

To John:

Obama raised his girls right? really, he put them on the spread of PEOPLE Magazine! Oh, and how about listening to minister G. D. America, and other exciting hate filled tales for years? This is what Obama subjected his kids to, and u can bet that come their time, they will prject those feelings outwards in their schools and other agendas.

Posted by: JJ123 | September 2, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse


PS

A decent parent would've been in touch enough with their child to know that she was becoming sexually active---and would've AT THE LEAST educated her about sexually transmitted diseases and birth control. Nobody's advocating abortion here. Just good common sense and decent parenting.

Posted by: RobinL | September 2, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

the bottom line?
Bill Clinton cheats and stays married--he is Satan..
John McCain cheats and marries lover--hero
Palin daughter pregnant out of wedlock...saint..
D Cheney's daughter gay now with a child--no mention and hush hush..
If this is what it means being a Christian--count me out..I actually love America...
It does really baffle me how the people who claim to be so good---are so bad...and most of what they have disdain for and judge others for---IS WHAT THEY ARE DOING?

Posted by: joefansler | September 2, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

I've been arguing something similar all day: this isn't about teen pregnancy or even GOP hypocrisy: it's about two adults dangling a scared 17-year old girl in front of the national media like chum in a shark-tank, just so they can sell their little "family-values" and "Kids today!" narratives, and garner Evangelical and harried-parent votes.

It's disgusting and COLD.

Next act of the script calls for Bristol Palin to be trotted before the cameras to recite her lines about how having the baby and the upcoming shotgun wedding are "all her choice". Watch for it.

Wonder if the prospective groom will be called upon to stand by her, or if the threat of exposure is the "shotgun" that ensures his compliance...

Posted by: Adam | September 2, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

This editorial is so over-the-top wrong and cruel the author and the paper ought to apologize for writing and publishing it.

Barack Obama is the father of two young children. How could he drag them through this process? And he's running for president! How much time does he spend with them really? As this campaign grinds on, how often will they see their father? Doesn't Obama talk about how important it is to have a father around - especially since he never enjoyed that luxury? How can he deny those little girls that which he was denied? Doesn't he run around preaching to all of us fathers - especially black fathers - about how fathers ought to be with their children?

See, your question is sexist, Robinson, because nobody asks it about Obama. Why? It just sounds weird, doesn't it? And that's because it is. The mother is selfish for pursuing her career while her daughter, a young woman of 17, is planning a wedding. Sarah's world should come to a stop because of this? Double standard.

You are actually telling your readers that Sarah Palin should not continue her work because her 17-year-old daughter is expecting a child and is getting married! Think about what you are saying. Do you know how many women keep going in life while they deal with their problems at home? Isn't dealing with life's problems how human being keep going in life?

And why is this a problem anyway? It sounds like a celebration is in order. I bet the wedding will be beautiful. You are trying to make the normal and joyous deviant. You want to sew a colored letter onto her dress.

It was the liberals who made this an issue, Robinson, by insinuating that Sarah Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover for Bristol's. Because, after all, the soul of a woman was created below, right?

This is the same sexist vibe liberals floated out on Hillary. When ambition and women intersect anything is possible. Hillary wanted Obama dead. Remember? She killed Vince Foster, dragged him to the park, and faked a suicide note. And so of course Sarah would fake a pregnancy for some wicked end, right? It's in their nature.

And when this conspiracy doesn't pan out, you go after her daughter. For ideological reasons you hit the mother with the daughter. There is no contest of ideas here. You're just slinging mud and punishing families. She has other children, too. Is this the example adults in the media want to set for the children?

How is it possible that Sarah is to blame for the media's obsession of the sexual behavior of politicians? Was it Larry Craig's fault that bathroom stall courting so titillates you like a bunch of high school sophomores that you can't resist passing along the story? (Meanwhile, what else happened in the world?)

In a world where IDEAS mattered we wouldn't be talking about Sarah and Bristol's wombs. Double standard, Robinson. It's a double standard rooted in the sexist assumptions you won't even recognize exist in your writing.

Posted by: Andrew Austin | September 2, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

This mother is a piece of work. She stands on a pro-life platform yet enjoys the killing of animals. The oversight of her numerous children and now soon to be grandchild takes a back seat to her ambitious self interests. Exactly which segment of our country identifies with such a person?

Posted by: snpanago | September 2, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

People miss the point when they say this happens to a lot of families. This is not supposed to be a woman who is average or less than average at keeping her family functional. She is supposed to be capable of being the president of the united states. Yes, the average mom or dad cannot prevent their daughter from messing around. But she should be more than the average mom. She's the governor of the state her daughter's living in. With all that power and support, she couldn't manage to keep her daughter from getting out of line; yet, we're supposed to believe she'll be able to keep Medvedyev and Amadenijad in line?

Posted by: Bob | September 2, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

bah, would I put my daughter through this? She should hide and never come out into the public. This of course is the best way to deal with problems. The moment she found out her daughter was pregnant she should have quit being the Governer and became a monk. It really is the only solution. (ROTFLMAO)

Posted by: Avery | September 2, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

There is a common thread in these posts with many people worrying if Palin and family can take the pressure of the public spotlight.This has me wishing McCain had picked a single father(with a child born out of wedlock) for his vp. No doubt everyone on this post would be speechless. A guy can stand up to any kind of pressure(but we really need to worry about a woman).Go McCain/Palin. It is time to end double standards regarding the perceptions of men and women professionals in the workplace. I suggest that the real reason so many people want to make excuses why Palin shouldn't try this run is that they are simply afraid of women in the workplace who have power.

Hillary was too negative on Obama and it came back to haunt her. Palin is going to soar in the campaign and will likely score a touchdown for McCain. She is going to bring out conservatives in droves.

Posted by: barb | September 2, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

I would like to know what GOD will say about this.

Posted by: GGYY | September 2, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Gene -

This will vanish like a fart in the wind. This young girl will be sent to the finest hospital resort so far from the press she wont be seen until December. Nobody will care in a week.

Posted by: Bob | September 2, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Dem screwed up big time by not having Hillary on the ticket. They just blew the election 08. SO the best the far left and liberals in Dem party can come up with is to attack another WOMAN, just like they did to HIllary.
Remember Hussein Obama operatives are shrill and scared at this August surprise from McCain.
McCain/Palin for 08

Posted by: vic | September 2, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Hey Gene,
Its not a political decision to advise her child to have a child, its a moral decision. Look it up in Websters.
You just affirm the addage:
Liberals raise taxes and kill babies, conservatives raise babies and kill taxes.

Posted by: PatF | September 2, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen the article posted early this am from Minnesota that identified the father as a senior McCain aide that plans on marrying the 17 year old?
I looked for the article...it now was removed.

How can someone consider taking such an important office with so many home responsibilities?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Why is it that all the "Right to Death" people always first think that the girl is being forced to have the child. Secondly why is abortive death the only solution for a pregnant unwed woman? If values are learned from home and parents why is it impossible for you to believe that having the child is the daughter's wish. At least Obama said today that children of the candidates should be off limits and also his mother was 18 when he was born. Are you really suggesting that his mother ruined her life by not abortively killing him?

Posted by: Bob in Boise | September 2, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Eugene, Eugene ...

Last post from me (because, I gotta tell ya, this crowd in here is a little, teenie-weenie bit boring).

However, I would not want to leave without unmasking the fear that you, Eugene Obama (surely you are related, man ... I mean, he's not paying you to be his shill, right?), and your readers are manifesting.

Your guy got no bounce in the polls from his Thursday night spectacular (it gives Matthews a chill down his leg just reading something like that!), did he?

Why? Ah, Eugene, you and your liberals readers know why! P-a-l-i-n.

That's why I have to wade through all this Palin-hate ... fear. Y'all are scared.

Enjoy it, though. Think of it as a thrilling rollercoaster ride ... that ends very suddenly ... with an Obama loss November 4.

Gee, I suppose I shouldn't have spoiled the ride for you. Oh, well.

Posted by: Eugene's Guardian Angel | September 2, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

1. Is this really the best Republicans had to offer as VEEP?

2. Can Republicans muster some intellectual honesty and admit what a scene it would be if it were Obama's child.or had it been Chelsea Clinton while in the White House?

3. If abstinence only programs don't work at home, how can we expect them to work in school?

4. Are we all so hypocritical that we can't just accept that out children will want to, and have sex at the same ages as did we?

5. Could Republicans please quit using the omnibus "Liberal"label every time that talk about Democrats?

After all: Jesus was the original liberal.

Jimandmare

Posted by: Jimandmare | September 2, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry but when Bill Clinton was doing some private things in the white house the republican congress saw fit to question what he was doing. When a women blast the public for sex eduucation issues and the very thing that she says is the answer fails in her case you better believe it is not off limits. The republican party blames the democrates for teen pregnancy and here comes a politician for the VP office that will set policy on that very issue. You better believe that it is on the table. I disagree with Obama and every one else on this issue. Here is proof positive that you are wong on that issue. Sex Education should not be a single focus issue. If she wants to run on that issue she better be willing to tell people why it failed.

Posted by: Don | September 2, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Feeling sorry for her daughter and accepting whatever Sarah wants for her family. The problem is that she wants to put her way on millions of other girls or women. The conservatives may completely accept her for her anti-abortion and look other way with how she neglects her mother duty especially with the 4 month baby with special needs. It's much more than having lots of kids (God help us, You didn't create birthing machines!) but also how to raise them, taking care and educate them,… She can do her way for her family but let the others have different choices. Many Christians will not vote for an "ABSENTEE MOTHER" even she is pro-life. She doesn't have family values at all. It's only about her wish for more political power!!

Posted by: calman | September 2, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Once a teen gets the HOTS -- parental unit supervisoion is all over. Trust me ... I am 62 and I will state unequivically that parents DO NOT MEAN SQUAT when it comes to teenage nookie.


So, stop politicializing this hedonistic episode. We all get horny. LOL

Posted by: Ron Breen | September 2, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

5 little questions:

1. Is this really the best Republicans had to offer as VEEP?

2. Can Republicans muster some intellectual honesty and admit what a scene it would be if it were Obama's child.or had it been Chelsea Clinton while in the White House?

3. If abstinence only programs don't work at home, how can we expect them to work in school?

4. Are we all so hypocritical that we can't just accept that out children will want to, and have sex at the same ages as did we?

5. Could Republicans please quit using the omnibus "Liberal"label every time that talk about Democrats?

After all: Jesus was the original liberal.

Jimandmare

Posted by: Jimandmare | September 2, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Everyone is respecting her right to have the baby. Nobody is telling her to get an abortion. It is her FREEDOM and RIGHT TO CHOOSE. But this is what she wants to take away from the rest of America. People's RIGHT and FREEDOM to choose.
Besides, all I needed to know about Ms Palin (and why is she called Ms and not Mrs.?) is that she supports teaching intelligent design in school yet refuses to believe all the scientific evidence backing global warming. Go figure. Stupid is what stupid does.

Posted by: imwithstupid | September 2, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

I'm not planning on voting for Senator McCain and Governor Palin. That said, the personal attacks are low--Governor Palin has five children including her oldest, who's now serving in Iraq and her latest, a four-month-old. She was elected governor while she was parenting all five with her husband. Things happen and to try and paint this as though it makes her unfit to be VP makes Obama supporters look like wingnuts. If she's such a bad choice, that'll come out in the debates, which will, I hope, discuss isuses. Discussion about her views on issues of the day are legitimate, but the fixation on her daughter's pregnancy, not to mention the baseless innuendo about her youngest son is disgusting. It's irrelevant whether some on the right would try to spin this into a scandal--compounding that wrong with another one isn't productive or moral.

Posted by: Tina | September 2, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Palin has all the Benet Ramsey moves. Is that going to get all the old geezers fantazing or what? Anyway her daughter was pregnant before all this latest attention getting scenario from the MCcain group and she will deliver a strong and healthy baby and everyone will buy into how oh so sweet it is. Life happens and I won't be holding her daughters pregnancy against her. What I do question is her intelligence in thinking she is a good selection for the next possible commander-and-chief of the USA. No, she grabbed at the opportunity with the same self-absortion she has always had from the early days of her Jon Benet Ramsey training. American wake up.

Posted by: MissClarity | September 2, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Here’s what the GOP will be saying in hindsight—John McCain and Paris Hilton: The ticket that could have been! LOL

Posted by: lastlaugh | September 2, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

5 little questions:

1. Is this really the best Republicans had to offer as VEEP?

2. Can Republicans muster some intellectual honesty and admit what a scene it would be if it were Obama's child,or had it been Chelsea Clinton while in the White House?

3. If abstinence only programs don't work at home, how can we expect them to work in school?

4. Are we all so hypocritical that we can't just accept that out children will want to, and have sex at the same ages as did we?

5. Could Republicans please quit using the omnibus "Liberal"label every time that talk about Democrats?

After all: Jesus was the original liberal.

Jimandmare

Posted by: Jimandmare | September 2, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Palin's family has already gone through hell when her sister's choice of a husband (the violent trooper) turned out to be a very bad one. And now she is happy that her daughter will marry a man simply because he thought more of his own urges than a young girl's future? Where do you think this marriage will go? Teen marriages are risky at best (assuming the guy was a teen; if not, then he was a rapist). There seems to be a serious lack of judgement and foresight here.

You know, stubbornly sticking to ideas without considering the consequences is how we got into this mess in Iraq.

Posted by: russellessur | September 2, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Think of it this way. Mrs. Palin and family endure these next 3 months and lose the election. They get a lot of media attention and become a household name. Then 3 years from now, at the start of the next primary cycle, we see Mrs. Palin running for President. Trig's older, the son has been to Iraq and back, Bristol's child is growing - things worked out well after all. Despite the media attention.

It's all about planning ahead. Way ahead.

Posted by: Rob-of-Indy | September 2, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

This is a campaign issue - Sarah Palin has told her kids that condoms are worthless and there is no such thing as effective birth control. And she and her kind have forced high school sex education programs to repeat this farce to your kids - including those gals at Glouster (remember that pudding club?).

The hockey mom has allowed her most precious child to become impregnated by a hockey boy. What happens to his future because he bought Sarah Palin's belief that Jesus is the only contraception you'll ever need? Perhaps if he's lucky, he'll be able to flip this into an MTV reality show in order to make enough cash to support his new family. Or is he going to go on welfare while he finishes his high school career?

Between this and her revenge on the ex-brother-in-law, Palin has quickly proven to be more of a candidate for the Jerry Springer Show and not the White House.

Posted by: foetine | September 2, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

She was clearly not using her head when she accepted the Veep position. No one should make professional decisions when their personal life requires so much attention. If she was thinking clearly, she would have waited another 4 years and weathered the storm vis-a-vis her pregnant teen as well as spend more time with her infant, disabled son. Where are those "family values" she supposedly touts? Right-wingers are hypocrites.

Posted by: Karen | September 2, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Suzanna, you are not getting it. There is nothing shameful about the pregnancy, really. The shameful part is the way that Sarah Palin broadcast to the ENTIRE WORLD the fact that her teenage daughter is pregnant. Sarah shouldn't have accepted the offer from McCain. She should have said "no thank you, I need to take care of my family. My daughter needs me right now... she's a bundle of pregnant teenage hormones."

But instead, Sarah was so hell-bent on achieving her ambitions, she made her daughter into a world-wide laughingstock. How would YOU feel if you were that teenage daughter? Imagine surfing the internet, as teenagers do, and seeing your name ALL over Google News, and people were making fun of you? How would you feel if your OWN mother sold you out like that?

That is the point of the question above... it has nothing to do with the actual pregnancy. It has to do with the fact that to Sarah Palin, Power and Prestige are more important than her own flesh and blood.

And I haven't even mentioned the hypocrisy of the situation... the flat-out contradiction of Sarah's so-called beliefs.

Posted by: mavis_beacon | September 2, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

This is a great reminder that Sarah Palin would not only force her daughter to have the child, but would also force all women to have thier child as well. She favors the loss of a woman's provenance over her own body; that the state should, at the threat of a felony conviction and jail time, force all women to have any and all unwanted children, even in the case of rape and incest. It really sounds more like the Taliban than that the Republicans, doesn't it?

Posted by: turdfish | September 2, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Don't stop now dems.. there are still a couple woman you haven't offended yet. Be sure to call them "sweetie" when you tell them to get your coffee.

Posted by: reason | September 2, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Well Ms Palin cant control her own teenage daughter , how she will be able to handle a country full of teenagers????

Posted by: gezzle | September 2, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

It's sad that Americans think this way. Watching people debate this "non-issue" on CNN is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. And by the way, the question IS sexist.

I am an independent, and the more you talk about this, the more you push me towards the Republicans.

I am utterly disappointed with everybody's reaction.

Posted by: LEH | September 2, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Maybe if Palin believed in Sex Education her daughter wouldn't be in this mess.

Posted by: Silver | September 2, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA had to prove himself over the course of 19 months - and did so by running the most successful Presidential campaign thus far in history with upwards of $50 millon/ raised from ordinary individuals.

McCAIN tries to up him by reducing him to a Black man - to be countered by a random Woman. ("Steve" Palin would never have been chosen.)
The criticism of Sarah Palin is justified - Liberals don't run on "Family Values" - It's totally fair game if you no longer practice what you preach and have kids running wild.

CHANGE = No more utter hypocrisy!!!


Posted by: HYPOCRITE NO MORE | September 2, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

My answer is also NO, I would not do this to any of my children. My aspirations would have to wait, knowing the pain I would inflict on them when the news came out.

Also, what is not being said is that this "news" was released by the Palin family to protect the candidate by dispelling the rumor that the youngest child is not Gov. Palins. Talking about throwing your kid (and unborn grandchild) under the bus. Welcome to the family, kid.

Posted by: Wouldn't Do It | September 2, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

First as much as it would be ideal to keep respect the privacy of the Palin family, Sarah Palin and the GOP platform which espouses "Family Values" demands that they are scrutinized. As opposed to a laissez-faire approach to private matters, it is the objective of Ms. Palin and the Evangelical Right to make "value issues" not a private issue, but in fact part of the role of government. So they become fair game.

Today the Evangelicals from Dobson, to Tony Perkins to others have come out in defence of Palin and the 17 year old daughter keeping the child. The hypocrisy is stupendous. Under Evangelical (and not my own) principles, why would they not condemn the Palins for poor parenting that would allow this teenage pregnancy. Is it not a clear tenant for those who take a literalist approach to religion, that sex before marriage is a sin? Does not underage sex defy traditional "family Values"? And yet it would appear, from the standpoint of the Evangelical movement, that God's laws and their literal approach in there theological views are, "flexible" and allowed to best fit their own political agenda.

They praise the decision to keep the child as a continued symbol of Ms. Palin's championing of "Family Values." But where are the "Family Values" that allowed a 17 year old to get pregnant in the first place? Where are the "Family Values" that indeed allowed for premarital sex between a young teenage girl and a much older boy in his early twenties?

How often the Evangelical forces in society condemn the poor inner city teenage girl for sex out of wedlock, for the lack of moral direction in the home that allows for this and can result in teenage pregnancy. Yet hypocritically they do not hold the Palins to the same standard.

Hypocrisy came to a forefront today when Ms. Palin issued a statement saying she was proud of her daughter for making the decision to keep the baby. But that is key. Her daughter made the decision, her daughter had the right to make a decision. But if Ms. Palin had her way, there would have been no decision at all, a woman's right to choose would be outlawed.

Of course the greatest irony in Ms. Palin's desire and that of the religious Right to overturn Roe v. Wade, is that the Palin daughter, even if abortion were illegal would have options. By virtue of the Palin's financial status they still would have options. They and others could still cross the boarder to a country like Canada and pay out of pocket for an abortion procedure if they chose. In the end the only people who will be without options are the poor.

Ms. Palin, Mr. Dobson, Mr. Perkins, the GOP, you speak about family values. Fine let's really take that issue on full force. Underage sex, and sex out of wedlock, let's start there.

OR let's adopt a political platform that allows private issues to be kept out of public life, like the platform proposed by the Democratic Party.

Posted by: CBK | September 2, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

If you remember the various tailhook parties, you probably understand that many fighter pilots consider all females fungable. Pinch any ass within reach. McCain reveals his roots......,eh

Posted by: zarf | September 2, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

PALIN=Harriet Miers

Palin/pregnant daughter underage out of wedlock-Cheney/gay pregnant daughter not married (to man)

McCain is doing all of the worst things--we saw from the Bush years!

Posted by: joefansler | September 2, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

It seems that the only candidate that has shown true family values and morales has been Obama...hence, shockingly for me too, I am voting the Democratic ticket.

Posted by: A FORMER REPUBLICAN | September 2, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm still trying to figure out how someone could reduce a decision to have a child with Down's Syndrome to "walking the walk of a political position." Mr Robinson asks a legitimate question about the effects this has on Bristol Palin (but which are ultimately none of his business, nor any of ours). However, to make a personal moral and ethical choice into a "political position" is just plain stupid, insensitive, and typical, unfortunately, for those who like to talk in America.

Every day I open CNN.com or any other news page, I realize by the list of "news stories" how incredibly dumbed down we have become. We will obsess over a pregnant 17 year old and her family's personal decisions, yet we cannot get concerned about ____________ issue, which could be filled in with 100 other topics at a moment's notice, all of infinitely greater importance and urgency than the private decisions of Governor Palin and her family.

(and I'm not Republican, by the way... I'm an independent who has voted for both parties, and presumably will continue to do so)

Posted by: Kevin Thomas | September 2, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Do this to her daughter? The people doing something to her daughter are people like Mr. Robinson. At what point is it the media's responsibility to back off? This doesn't betray the Palin family nearly as much as it betrays Mr. Robinson: This is really disgusting, and shows the Washington Post for what it really is.

Posted by: Alex, St. Louis | September 2, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Robinson,

Please leave the poor girl alone. This is not an issue. We have so many issues and your talking about a kid. You know, the Clintons did more for blacks then any other President and they were stab in the back. I was going to vote for the Clintons, but now I am going the GOP. I had a buddy of mine that was part of an press crew that interviewed Obama for a Spanish language TV station. He first did want too because he didn't want to associate himself with illegals. When he finished the interview, he turn to his Rep and said "Are you happy now?" The press could not believe what he said. He didn't want to speak to Latinos? It just shows you that this guy will tell what you want to hear in order to get your vote and he lives and dies by the polls. Has anyone told him that he is also a minority? Its pretty sad.

Posted by: Mike | September 2, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Same old, same old; Republicans versus Democrats, and both sides calling the other hypocrites. Can we please stop making this entire presidential election about hypothetical questions (would you do that to your daughter? what if hillary were chosen as vp, and so on, and so on)??? Let's look at real issues and real track records. With all this arguing, November can't come soon enough.

Posted by: LCD | September 2, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Please don't try to defend yourself. You are giving this story legs and no one else so please stop with your pathetic excuses. I have a child and if one of you *** tried to dig up dirt on her I would defend her like any mother would.

Lay off the girl.

Posted by: Bill | September 2, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

You take your family the way it is, warts and all and you just get on with it. Maybe it's time people stop stigmatizing unmarried pregnant girls. Notice there's no stigma on the guy?

The way Barack Obama keeps saying he's 'black' and 'African American' when he is half-white, makes me feel he is being disrespectful to his white mother. The way Hillary Clinton was railroaded and pushed aisde by the Democratic Party stinks of misogyny. Now the endless mocking of Sarah Palin and her daughter just adds to my feeling that the Democratic Party is not the party of women.

Posted by: Susan | September 2, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Silly people. It was clearly an immaculate conception since since the Gov. preaches abstinence.

Posted by: Davey | September 2, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Is the baby daddy from Kenya?

Posted by: Hope | September 2, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Governor Palin is actually a fairly private person. The public hears very little about her personal life or her children's. She certainly doesn't shout out her children's personal information over the airways. Governor Palin focuses on the work that she was elected to do. While her personal opinions and beliefs are known by many, she isn't in Juneau introducing new legislation to promote her opinions. She is doing what the people of Alaska have asked her to do and feels obligated to do so.

Prior to today, Alaskan's were not publicly made aware of Bristol's pregnancy. The public didn't even know that the governor was pregnant until she was in her 7th month and it became apparent. The governor was reportedly concerned that her pregancy would overshadow the impending gas pipeline negotiations that were in progress and she was right. It is unfortunate that beginning yesterday people were reporting that the governor faked her own pregnancy to hide her daughter's pregnancy. I don't see what other choice Governor Palin had other than to disclose that her daughter is pregnant. I would bet that she only did this after serious discussions with her daughter. Governor Palin would have ignored the false statements (her hiding her daughter's pregnancy) if her daughter wasn't comfortable with the disclosure.

If Bristol is anything like her mother, she's tuff and she isn't going to personalize all of the hoopla around her pregnancy. These people know who they are and what is important.

Many assume that Governor Palin and her husband are ashamed of Bristol for getting pregnant. I don't think so. They are very positive and supportive parents. I suspect that the Palin's are very proud of Bristol for who she is and for all of her accomplishments.

Posted by: KY1959 | September 2, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

"Nothing is true, everything is permissible"
Hassan-i-Sabbah

Posted by: David Ben-Sun | September 2, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Hi Mr. Robinson

I used to greatly appreciate your thoughtfulness in the den of misogyny and gossip which MSNBC has become. Obviously Mr. Matthews has lost all sense of proportion, but I thought you to be more rational. Then came Obama and I feel you lost your way. This kind of discussion used to never be your strength. I feel you have an axe to grind and would ask you to please go back to your careful and thoughtful perspective. You seem caught up in some kind of blaming and small mindedness and I would hate to think it is influenced by race and gender from you of all people.

Dr. Max

Posted by: Dr. Max | September 2, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

I worry more about the support system available for her daughter.

Even without the public scrunity, parenthood will be a difficult challenge for a 17 year old to face.

It is very brave of her to make the decision to keep the baby, but I just don't see how a family going through a presidential election will have the time to be there for her and her child.

Is it the right thing to do to encourage your daughter to keep the baby if you can't commit to being there to support her?

Posted by: mdamdamda | September 2, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

You're right, Reason! We forgot to mention that Cindy McCain is nothing more than an addled drug addict...lol

Posted by: lastlaugh | September 2, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

In addition to this, rumors are floating around the internet that Trig is not Palin's son, but Bristol's. Bristol is seen carrying him...there were myspace pictures by a family member with descriptions indicating that Sara was the grandmother, not the mother.

There is a sketchy timeline for the birth, Sara does not look pregnant at all. And, her daughter Bristol was taken out of school for the past 5 months with mononucleosis. Scary stuff. I'm hoping the scrutiny doesn't unlock weirder skeletons!

Posted by: stan | September 2, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

WHERE WAS THE MOTHER? OUT ADVANCING HER CAREER AND NOT TAKING CARE OF HER FAMILY!

Like everything else in this country it all comes down to the family and the parents. BAD PARENTS LEAD TO CHILDREN HAVING KIDS AT 17 YEARS OF AGE.

WHERE IS THIS WOMEN GOING TO GET TIME TO BE VICE PRESIDENT? THE COUNTRY IS IN A HUGE MESS AND THIS IS WHO McSHAME PICKS? HAS HE LOST HIS MIND?

What about the people of the country that need help and change!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Posted by: americian | September 2, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Can someone answer me this.
These right-wing nazi republicans are so pro-life yet they are the first ones that demand capital punishment.
Is there logic in this?????????
Bush is anti-abortion yet his state of Texas (Don't mess with Texas) leads the country in death penalties.
Can someone explain this to me please?
I'm as confused as a young teenage pregnant daughter who's being used by her mother/political party to enhance their own agenda. Btw, How come we haven't heard anything from the 'father' yet? Could it be that the father is............
LOL.
You can take the girl out of the trailer park but you can't take the trailer park out of the girl.

Posted by: idiotrepublicans | September 2, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

The liberals have finally found a talking point, yea!

I'm more concerned with Michelle Obama, whom Barack says is his closest advisor. Reporters need to vet her because if he is elected (God Forbid) then she will be vastly more influential than Sarah Palin should be be elected VP.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. Robinson,
I agree with you. The down right meaness of the liberal press and liberal bloggers that take pleasure in attacking the families of conservative candidates should have forced S.Palin to reconsider this nomination. She should have seen the way the Bush twins were treated and realized her family was about to become a smear target. This is why, after all, the press reports these things--to dissuade family-loving conservative candidates.
I understand your disappointment, Mr. Robinson, that this tatic did not work for S.Palin and her family who heroic have decided to take their lumps. But I understand you have to continue the attacks in hopes that future candidates will not be so heroic.

Posted by: Del | September 2, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Those of you wondering how Mrs. Palin can put her child through "public humiliation" are completely off base. Mrs. Palin is stating (through her actions) that she is a mother who has to make hard decisions, she has to be willing to take responsibility for herself - she's also stating that improving this country for her family, as well as all of us, is an extremely important job.

Why didn't you jump on Bill & Hillary when they introduced horse-faced Chelsea to public humiliation (thankfully she's had work done since then)? Why didn't you jump on Jimmy & Roselyn when they introduced Opie-looking Amy to the world? Don't be hypocrites about it - you're only jumping on Palin because it is in your political best interest to drag her through the muck in hopes of making your terrorist-loving candidate look appealing.

Posted by: ukonical | September 2, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Intrade has Palin slowly dropping on the Veep. At 95 last time I checked.

Posted by: Intrader | September 2, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Jimandmare,

If Jesus was the original liberal, why is it that you want us to stop calling Democrats, liberals?

You know, Obama thinks religion is very fashionable in this election.

I get a huge laugh every time he boldly pronounces that Jesus is his Lord and Savior.

Not because having Jesus as Lord and Savior is funny.

But, thinking of the consternation that it gives George Soros, the Daily Kos, and Keith Olbermann every time he says it is funny.

And ole Soros thought he was going to extinguish Christianity from the earth.

Rome tried it. Doesn't work.

Posted by: Eugene's Guardian Angel | September 2, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

This is such a pathetic article, and I am a bit surprised you actually get paid to do this for a living. First of all, the media--yes, you--are the ones bringing this woman's daughter into the limelight, and only because you don't like Mrs. Palin's political views. It's a cheap way to try to score political points because you have nothing better on Mrs. Palin. If this were a Democratic nominee in the same shoes, you would be praising her as a heroine and calling her courageous for taking the nomination. That she should turn the offer down because she has life happening all around her family--like the rest of us--is ridiculous. Why can't the media just leave the daughter alone? Is that too much to ask? You should take your cue from Mr. Obama on this one and denounce those who would attack this innocent girl for cheap political points.

Posted by: Colorado Guy | September 2, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Seventeen years old is statutory rape, isn't it? The Governor of Alaska should know that, and should know she is obligated to turn the rapist over to the local DA, or face charges herself.

Then, the Governor has a new baby (five months?) with Downs Syndrome. Set aside the fact that she can't prove this baby is actually hers and many in Alaska speculate it belongs to her daughter...the SAME daughter. Add that heavy responsibility to this situation with the raped daughter and her additional kids (two? three?)...and she decides to accept an offer to run for Vice President?

This is all pretty irrational. Mix in her earlier drunk driving conviction and her lies about fighting the famous Bus Stop to Nowhere tax dollar swipe, plus her affiliation with a state seccessionist group, and you have almost NO reason to consider her as a Vice Presidential candidate. Yet, McCain did.

Are the Republicans as a whole THAT deluded, or are they just cynical?

Posted by: seaweb | September 2, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

I hate gossip about the personal lives of political figures and generally don't read it. But here is someone who the Republicans have offered us as a candidate for VP, a 72-year old heart beat from the Oval Office (in actuarial terms alone, she would likely succeed McCain before the end of his term, when he would be in his 77th year), by touting her experience as a hockey mom and her family values. Doesn't that make her fair game for all she is getting now? And how could it not have been obvious to her that in saying yes the inevitable would happen? She has this much in common with McCain: ambition trumps honor and judgment every time.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Robinson, you're a joke. What do you know raising children...besides having your deadbeat wages garnished for support payments.

Posted by: Jack | September 2, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

"Let he who has not sinned throw the first stone." Enough said. Now let's, ourselves, do what is right and close this comment line. It's time to give this young woman back her privacy.

Posted by: Compassion | September 2, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

American politics has come to the following conclusion, race, religion, TV ad and war. While CHINA and INDIA are going up, we are slowly but surely going down. Our deficit is increasing, our students are under-performing, and a block of people, so called Evangelicals are becoming Talibans of this country. This is a country, which values education very little. A person with 2.3 GPA ( GWB) has no issue becoming the nominee. Big talk wins here.

Posted by: Adam Habib, Dallas, TX | September 2, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

My mother ran for Congress once, years ago when I was 20. Scared the heck out of me but she did not make it through the primary. A Presidential campaign? A pressure cooker, that one could not thrust one's family into without careful thought. I doubt that Palin gave the matter sufficient thought, either because of hubris, or from naivete as to the storm of scrutiny that any Dark Horse inevitably would invite. One hears that The National Enquirer is up in Alaska now, waving money in hopes of snagging a story. Since Palin seems to have as much ability to make enemies as friends this should be an uneasy time for her. This was one of John McCain's dumber decisions, one I suspect history books will reference in years to come. Can he recover? Anything is possible, but some things are very, very unlikely. The odds against him winning just got longer.

Posted by: Arthur | September 2, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

So Palin is not electable along with John MCCain because a 17 year old got herself pregnant? Did you liberal Democrats forget that immoral Bill Clinton in OUR Whitehouse got B.J.s and then got relected. Leave Sara Palins kids out of this, your all a bunch of scum bags for bringing it up including you Mr. Roboinson.

Posted by: R. J. Tren | September 2, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Well, you can count me as one person who's not buying the latest spin in the least. Immediately after Palin was chosen as McCain's running-mate, the bloggers were all over the story that Sarah Palin's fifth child, Trig, was in fact the child of her 17 year-old daughter, Bristol.

The history of that story goes something like this: Palin announces her fifth pregnancy to a SHOCKED media and staff just a little more than a month before she actually gives birth. The media points out that the Governor, who was supposedly more than seven month pregnant, looked not at all pregnant. Published pictures taken around Super Tuesday show a very thin Palin. In addition, it was reported that classmates of daughter, Bristol, say she was removed from school for a period of four to five months prior to and including the time of Trig's birth, supposedly because she was suffering from a long bout of mono.

If that's not coincidence enough, today comes the revelation that, well, 17 year-old Bristol is in fact now pregnant - and coincidentally five months pregnant. So we're supposed to believe that she got pregnant at roughly the exact same time that her mother was giving birth to her brother, Trig (conveniently squashing the possibility that Trig is Bristol's), while she was out of school convalescing from a long bout of mono.

So why do I now get the feeling that Bristol will have an unfortunate miscarriage either just prior to or after the election? And since teen girls often deliver prematurely - as early as 7-1/2 months - that would give enough slack in the normal nine month pregnancy period to allow for Bristol to have actually gotten pregnant again after giving birth to Trig.

Think that can't happen? My own sister gave birth to two babies in just under 20 months, while 17 and 19. Oh, and similar to Palin's daughter, she was taken out of school by my parents - the story line being that she had transferred to a private school out of the area - a ruse no one believed, including both friends and teachers who confronted me at school about whether or not she had given birth.

Posted by: TJ | September 2, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Speaking as a family genealogist, most first pregnancies were shorter than nine months. Thank goodness abortion wasn't legal then or I wouldn't be here now.

Posted by: April E. Coggins | September 2, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

The liberal media and the author of this article want Obama in so bad they are going to tear Palin down whatever it takes. Today alone Palin is not the mother of her own son, her 17 year old daughter is pregnant, and her husband was arrested for DUI in 1984 when he was 22. They are going to dig up the dirt on her instead of letting Obama win on his own laurels. Even kids of the absolute best parents get themselves in trouble. You are going to tear her for having a career yet Obama has a career on the road. He says himself he doesnt see his daughters very much. Hope they dont get in trouble someday. Youll probably blame his wife.

Posted by: rcc | September 2, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Since Karl Rove was so open about McCain NOT picking Lieberman, I wonder if he was involved in picking/suggesting Palin. Since now all we can talk about is HER. No Issues, not McCain's record, or his temper, all while setting her up as the victim of "those mean democrats". And all the surrogates are outraqged that we want answers not a stage play for a campaign.

When does she have to step down as Governor. The oil companies who she stood up to can't be too happy about her as governor. Now they get someone as Alaska Governor who might be more to their liking.

Meanwhile Palin gets to run to be the first woman VP. Without any knowlege of how washington works, she will be weak as VP's go. So if McCain wins she is fairly weak as a VP, and AK has a new Governor. OR if she loses, and steps down for the campaign, she is also out of the way of the oil companies.

As far as her daughter's situation, I would be interested who is going to help her while she is starting out at 17 with a new baby anad a husband who may or may not want to get married.

Posted by: Karen | September 2, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Hypocrisy that is the issue, this woman believes creation is equivalent to evolution. Abortion is murder and should be illegal. Abstinence is sex education. Even though her daughter could have really used a condom on the guy or a morning after pill. And she really believes there is a single woman who supported Hillary would ever support McSame because he chose her??? Anyways I just think there is more to her than meets the eye, specially about her abuse of power; firing her ex-inlaw and putting some old friend in his place, and there are e-mails to that effect. Say hello to "Ms. Karl Rove II". Since she is a member of NRA seems like she'll have a shutgun weddding for her daughter as well. My guess is she will be forced out as soon as McSame's polls drop, say hello to "Ms. Harriet Miers II".

Posted by: Martin | September 2, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Why aren't we seeing this same type of scrutiny by the liberal media of Cheney's lesbian daughter or Obama's association with Wm Ayers? Gee, I can't imagine. Liberal is just another word for narrow-minded hypocrite.

Posted by: mbyhl | September 2, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

If McCain knew ahead of time and still picked Palin, he is trying to throw the election.

If McCain didn't know then Palin was trying to sabotage the election. Of course, the vetting was also suspect which puts this Republican's chances at slim to none.

The election is all but over. Republicans should save their money and cancel the entire campaign.

Both of them now know that they have no chance at all.

I would like to let the world know that the definition of Republican and Democrat may appear in books, but in practice they are the same thing.

If the far left reaches far enough, he will grasp the hand of the far right on the other side of the issue.

We need a knew taxonomy of governence.

Posted by: Earl E | September 2, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

john mccain changed his views on several issues to make a run for the white house as the republican candidate. i think he would throw his mother under a bus to fulfill his political ambitions. he has picked a running mate who has thrown her daughter under a bus to fulfill hers.

Posted by: Claire | September 2, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

It's also funny how these very rupublicans are saying leave her alone when they were digging up Obama's Paster and his father also. I tell you what when they stop spreading lies about Obama's father and church and religion, then they can expect Mr. Robinson to stop talking about the truth. No doubt that all those lies affected Obamas daughters but were was the outrage in that. Hypocracy.

Posted by: Don | September 2, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

The better, and possibly more "fair" story, would be what Ms. Palin did FOR her other child, the one with Down Syndrome, then when Ms. Palin was the one who was pregnant, and now. Pretty freaking courageous...yet Mr. Robinson is too busy attacking the rest of her family to realize that. Truly sad.

Posted by: Alex, St. Louis | September 2, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Immacululte conception, nah
That was Barack right?
Or was the the Immaculate Deception?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

In politics, everything and everyone is fair game. Look how Obama has been pilloried over his pastor, he's been called a Muslim, he's been called the Messiah and the anti-Christ. They've attacked his dead father, his grandmother, his wife and his race. He's risen above it all with grace and dignity. If John McCain and Sarah Palin can't handle problems that they've brought on themselves, then how could they handle anything thrown at them if they were number one and two in command?

Posted by: Bill | September 2, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

american,

You said, "WHERE WAS THE MOTHER ...."

Unlike you, who evidently gets chaperoning from Mommy on your very infrequent dates (with your bold caps style, I am just assuming), Sarah Palin doesn't ride in the back seat on her daughter's evenings out.

Sheesh.

Posted by: Eugene's Guardian Angel | September 2, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

I beleive that this issue makes Palin look liek a fantastic candidate. She has teh strength to stand before the nation and hold her own without shedding crocodiel tears. She shows by thsi event that hers is a strength from deep within, that she is comfortable with who she is, what she represents, and is awash with love surrounding her and her family to withstand all comers. I am not a religious fanatic, but I can't imagine anyone dealing with this, the lies about her and her son Trig, with greater grace and fortitude. This is the stuff true leaders are made of. Come November, all will recognize thsi strength of character for what it is. It is based on love, not hate. Formed in the furnace of belief, not desire or ambition, and most of all, it is rooted in true courage.

Posted by: JJ123 | September 2, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Absurdity of John mcCain candidacy lives up to its tradition.

We the people could care less, and do not need to know about what is being thrown at us from their campaign or the Palin parents.

Why are they making a big deal about it? I guess the selling point may be - Ye America, Ye youngsters, see how we acept "mistakes", so keep doing and do more? Be proud and happy. Right?

This is politics, and remember who was critical of "just speech and words"? Actions matter. SO, their "words" talk of actions but it may not even be true.

Throwing lies at America and American people is a pass time hobby or a part of religious service of RNC and its supporters.

Perhaps, this little lie is to distract yet again, and have the Palins pack up comfortably. The spin masters are being managed by their own twists of confusion.

Basically, we do not give ad amn about family issue, whether righteous or just the opposite, so they should not look for any sympathy or empathy here. There are plenty of victims and people in need out there, why support the scoundrels!!

Posted by: O.P. Neon | September 2, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

I would NEVER do that to my daughter. The tabloid media, the paparazzi will be all over this and all over that girl for the rest of her life. From this day forward she will be defined by this pregnancy, particularly if her mother continues in her political quest.


Posted by: eclectic elder | September 2, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Feeling sorry for her daughter and accepting whatever Sarah wants for her family. The problem is that she wants to put her way on millions of other girls or women. The conservatives may completely accept her for her anti-abortion and look other way with how she neglects her mother duty especially with the 4 month baby with special needs. It's much more than having lots of kids (God help us, You didn't create birthing machines!) but also how to raise them, taking care and educate them,… She can do her way for her family but let the others have different choices. Many Christians will not vote for an "ABSENTEE MOTHER" even she is pro-life. She doesn't have family values at all. It's only about her wish for more political power!!

Posted by: calman | September 2, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

I'm a mom that has raised two sons and no pregnancies. When you are pro-life, you make a choice and that is not to be part of pro-abortion which is sweetened as pro-choice.
I find incredible hypocrisy in those that condemn Gov. Palin and her daughter. I wonder how many of those people aborted his and her babies because it was expedient; a CHOICE, a murder. It's unfortunate that the babies are not allowed a CHOICE!
I'm sure that Gov. Palin, her husband, and her children decided this together.
I'm sure that she runs for God and country...to defeat a racist that is half-white and abhors white people. Colin Powell would have been a wonderful president that happens to be black; not this black man and his hateful compatriots.

Posted by: mommajo | September 2, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

I had the same troubling question myself. Why would any parent -- mother or father --knowingly put their family through the glare of the national spotlight at such a sensitive time? Gov. Palin should have known that it was a given that the national media would cover this (in the pursuit of Who is Sarah Palin?), but she decided for whatever reason that she would accept the spot on the ticket. I would have respected her decision to say thanks but no thanks, my family and especially my daughter and my precious baby need me during this critical time, so I will put them first. Maybe in 2012, but my family needs me more right now. (And Gene is just asking what I and surely others have asked ourselves -- the media attention on this is already out there...this is simply a question of judgment and priorities...And NO, I would not want to put my child through this...)

Posted by: cmmoore1 | September 2, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Most of you people are no more interested in the well being of Palin's daughter than you are interested in drilling in Anwar. Apparently, like in every other location in America and the world, guys in Alaska like drilling in other untapped regions as well. I'm a conservative and sure I wouldn't want to see my 17 year old daughter getting pregnant for sure, it's to young in my book. Girls should be girls, but unfortunately this kind of young pregnancy happens all too often everywhere to too many daughters no matter what political party the parents belong to. It's not at all a political issue for me what has happened to Palin's daughter, there are no perfect families anywhere. My parents were democrats and my 17 yr. old sister had twins at that age, very unfortunate that she gave them up for adoption. Palin isn't a bad mother or public servant because she has some political ambitions just like thousands of other women across America, Democrats & Republicans.

Posted by: David | September 2, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Here’s what the GOP will be saying in hindsight—John McCain and Paris Hilton: The ticket that could have been! LOL

Posted by: lastlaugh | September 2, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

I don't care what Sarah Palin does with her family. I also don't care that she's sooooo pro-life. That's her belief and let her deal with it as she must. In fact, I think the abortion issue should take a back seat to the more important issues plagueing our teenagers these days: the inadequate, oxymoronic, and non-existent sex education of "abstinance only sex education" programs in our schools. Let's talk about abortion and how many "babies" are killed everyday AFTER we teach our younger generation the REAL facts about sex (ALL acts of sex). You can't preach and pray to hormonal teenagers that sex is bad. This argument hasn't worked and will never work. Curiousity about sex has been around as long as living beings have been around. Instead of pretending it doesn't exist, let's grow up and actually deal with the real issue:
EDUCATE OUR KIDS ABOUT SEX, THE CONSEQUENCES OF BAD DECISIONS, AND TEACH THEM THE TOOLS TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS.
And can we once and for all get rid of the "abstinence only sex education" programs? Even the name makes our country look clueless.

Posted by: k | September 2, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

There is nothing that Robinson says any more that has relevance. It is pro-Obama and everything else is bash-Bush, bash-Clinton, bash McCain, and now bash-Palin for Mr. Robinson. I keep reading his articles hoping to find some glimmer of insight and thoughtfulness but there is so much "hate" for anything and everything GOP, that Robinson can't find the decency to leave Palin's family out of it. I guess it was just too much of an opportunity to smear even if your hero Obama says it's off limits. Don't go getting on your high horse next time a republican attacks Michelle Obama.

Posted by: Chuck | September 2, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

hey again, can PALIN take a leave of absense from presidency if the family needs overshadow all else???

who would take office if mccaine and then palin are out????

Posted by: dorothy t | September 2, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Are we in some new age of unreason? Sen. Obama did the polite and political thing and declined to comment on the GOP VP candidate's daughter. Rightly so. However, since Gov. Palin has publicly accepted the invitation to join the GOP ticket, the revelations about her children call into question the single most important role we undertake when we bring children into this world: parenting. Our choices as they affect the guidance, the protection, and encouragement we give our children demonstrate our judgment as well as showing the kind of society we mean to have.

Gov. Palin has a son who will shorty go into a combat zone in Iraq. At 19, though not a child, this young man will be exposed to possible maiming or death. He will be an instrument of war in a conflict whose purpose has never been defined either by the Bush administration nor by Sen. McCain who likewise supports its continuance (saying "it prevents terrorism at home" is a conjecture unfounded; it is not a purpose). It is a conflict which places American forces as a buffer for Iraqi factions competing for power and influence in the vacuum created by the American decapitation of the former government. While the action of our soldiers has been largely commendable, parental urging of this act in this conflict does not necessarily constitute an act of patriotism. One might think that a parent who values the worth of a child would counsel wisely to stay far clear of such other people's conflicts.

Families of two working adults in the U.S. strive to attain economic security with combined income of $50 thousand a year. This country has struggled for years to reduce the rate of teen pregnancy, knowing the risks for the individuals (economic and social) and for the larger society as well. How many other governors of U.S. states have teen children in similar predicaments? If there is true closeness in that family, has there been counseling on birth control? All this time conservatives have been berating "liberals" for lack of moral teaching and this is okay? Or are we just making it up as we go along?

Then there's the issue of our "crusader" herself. The fanfare of her introduction to the country was that she was dogged in routing out corruption, waste, and other governmental evils in Alaska. They are all good and meritorious causes, I am sure. But at the whistle from Sen. McCain, Gov. Palin hops to rescue the GOP from its death spiral this fall. Does that mean her work in Alaska is done in 18 months? That doesn't sound like an earth-shifting revolution, it sounds much more like an overblown tempest in a tea-pot. Or there is more to be done, but Gov. Palin feels no need to stay to see it through.

Frankly, the speed of this appointment and the lack of substantive information about the vice-presidential candidate seem to go hand in hand with the convention-that-isn't. And we're not supposed to talk about it. I think it's safe to say there'll be plenty of talk in days to come as Americans take time to chew on the bits of grist portioned out from this very unlikely ticket. Sen. McCain may want us to believe he's some "new Republican" but he's sure taking pages from the old playbook.

I couldn't sleep thinking of all the messages and signals in the actions of John McCain and the true stories from the life of Gov. Sarah Palin. I don't think either is a "bad" person, and I don't say that the daughter or son are making right or wrong choices. Still, what examples are being presented here? If the daughter needs family but Mom intends to go to Washington, D.C., what kind of support is that? If the daughter is to be married at an early age and she and the young husband and the child must henceforth make their way, what are their odds? Well it should be thought about and it does make a difference. When people say one thing and exhibit behavior that clearly holds other messages, we should ask more questions.

Posted by: Jazzman7 | September 2, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

And to those crying about sexism, does it bother you at all that McCain has picked a VP not for her qualifications but because of her gender?

The question would be posed of any candidate, male or female, with a child with Down's Syndrome and a pregnant teenage daughter. The exposure, the scrutiny WAS INEVITABLE. Given such inevitability, would you politicize your daughter's pregnancy? If her family is off-limits, then why would Republicans bring up her son with Down's to make a political statement with it? If it's off-limits, then why bring it up?

So we didn't bring this up. McCain did. Palin did this to herself and her family, this exposure, this scrutiny. Our little words in this internet page is just a drop in an ocean of politicizing that the candidates themselves are doing daily.

When the facts speak ill of the candidates, we ought to shut up? Extol the virtues and ask no questions about the vices?

Posted by: WDA | September 2, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

McCain's decision-making seems questionable. He decided to skip the vetting process so it's now being done by the public. And what we're hearing about the Gov is a bit like the soaps - with more to come. Certainly, there is enough material about McCain's VP choice for an SNL sketch or a New Yorker cover. Stay tuned!

Posted by: All in the Family Fan | September 2, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

If you need to vet Michelle O. just go to the public records at the hospital, college, employer. It's all there.

On the other hand, where are the public records for the Palins?

Demand equality.

Posted by: Vetter | September 2, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Regardless if I were a woman or a man, No, No, No, I would NOT run for VP if I knew that four months from now I would have the following in my home:

-a 9 month old infant with very special parenting and medical needs (Downs Syndrome)

-a newborn baby grandchild whose parents are still children

-a 17 yr old new mother who clearly needs more parental involvement and guidance in her life

-two other young children of mine who also need parental involvement.

-a spouse who works full time outside the house

In this circumstance, it would be selfish and irresponsible for me to spend the next 4 or 8 years travelling around the nation and world.

What kind of parent is Gov. Palin? Didn't the Republican party used to claim to have the monopoly on family values?

I am neither Democrat nor Republican, by the way.

Posted by: Tina | September 2, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

ATTENTION LIBERALS:
Get ready to crawl back into your caves for another 8 years. McCain/Palin is a winner.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

"Everyone is respecting her right to have the baby. Nobody is telling her to get an abortion. It is her FREEDOM and RIGHT TO CHOOSE. But this is what she wants to take away from the rest of America. People's RIGHT and FREEDOM to choose."

The right to choose murder is the way to go, to bad they put term limits on it.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Leave Bristol alone! I am sure that we have all known someone like Bristol, or a family in that same situation. Respect Bristol and stop attacking her through her Mom! I am sure that Sarah Palin made an inteligent decision in running for VP! Leave her family alone!

Posted by: blue skies | September 2, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Your PostPartisan post makes the following assumptions:

1. That, Sarah Palin knew about her daughter's pregnancy before accepting the nomination (I have yet to see any evidence of this)

2. That, if Gov. Palin knew of the pregnancy ahead of accepting the nomination, she did not first discuss the implications with Bristol first.

3. That accepting the nomination for Vice President is bad when the politically active parent knows their daughter has gotten pregnant.

Other post here in discussing the father's age also assume that Gov. Palin was aware of the relationship, which is potentially absurd. Although I am unaware of Sarah Palin's knowledge of the relationship prior to the pregnancy, I can attest to her potential and innocent ignorance of the situation. As a working single father, I work tirelessly to keep my 15 year old daughter out of harms way, which has involved discovering many of her "wrong doings" after the fact. This includes more than one relationship with other boys/men that were too old for her. Unfortunately, even with the values I hold and teach to her - unless I can afford private school - which I can't - due to the influence of other kids, the influence of those children's parents (made evident to my daughter through the espoused values of her friends as learned by their parents) and the local government's values as pushed on my daughter through classes and curiculum, it is difficult to counter those values and ideas in the three or four hours we have at night when I am going up against the eight to ten hours of the opposing barrage of ideas she is subject to at, and after school. It is entirely possible that the relationship with this older boy happened unbeknownst to Mrs. Palin.

Although the Left Isle portends to desire, preach and expect tolerance for those that don't live a perfect life, they seem to be extremely intolerant of those they preach for - when they are conservatives or republicans. And to think they also preach against hypocrisy!

Posted by: Mike Kline | September 2, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

There is no reason for parents to be protective to the point of abandoning their careers over a daughter who went against their advice. Palin's daughter decided to be an adult before reaching the socially sanctioned adult age (about 50% of the US teens do). She made an adult decision (having sex), and now she has to face the adult consequence (motherhood). As Palin said in her statement on the matter, her daughter just has to grow up fast to be able to handle the limelight of being an adult. Palin's daughter should be grateful that her parents are quite willing to help her in making that transition. That's all.

Posted by: George S. | September 2, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Only fools embrace ignorance. If people would educate their children in sexual reproduction and sexual health a lot of unwanted pregnancies would be avoided. the sex drive is the most powerful instinct in any living being. A great number of people let their children face sexual maturity knowing little or nothing about what they are faceing. This is a sin of the parents and educators not the kids.

Posted by: Old Coot | September 2, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

What would lead anyone to believe that Sarah Palin is the primary care-giver of their two-parent family? I have not heard that she was a stay at home mom or that her husband had a demanding career during her tenure as an elected official that kept him from the role of managing their family.

Why would any one of us sit in judgment of a situation or a family that we know nothing about?

Posted by: Tammy | September 2, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

we ought to be talking about McCain and not the bimbo...let's talk about how he doesn't look well and how in his sleep, he cries out, "Undertaker, its me!"

Posted by: grimreaper | September 2, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

I think that Gov. Palin has every right to to choose the path that she has chosen. It is her right to make those family decisions, and it is her right to make them according to her moral compass. I just don't think that she has the right to assume that she is qualified to make those tough decisions for me and my family.

Daniel, Oregon

Posted by: Daniel | September 2, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Ignoranace, Purely has reached a pinnacle. I am amazed that our societal views are so skewed many fail to see that our political arena is misaligned to reality. Media wants steralized families and people who are out of touch with reality.

A mother of an enlisted military service member, who's husband was blue collar, a mother who will have to deal with IEP's and special education programs will gain btter insight into the true culture and need of a nation than a Vice President who is out of touch with the real life situations, that our laws and programs are designed for. Would one question the CEO of a large company who had similar family issues if he were a male? I highly doubt it. The needs of her handicap child do come first, she has him with her full time, which is more than working mothers of newborn downsyndrome babies are typically afforded.

Is America afraid to allow real people run our country? People who may not follow the advice of the same backstage players. If so...I am willing to take a chance and see real people lead our nation for a change. Not the wealthy elitist that have continued to dominate the White House and increase our national debt.

Posted by: Bearalis | September 2, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

This woman is a terrible example. McCain's lost my vote. I can only hope a supporter of Family Values will be nominated in 4 years.

Posted by: Lois | September 2, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

I really don't think many people honestly care about this, it is just the media covering it and throwing it in front of you.

I'm not sure why many posts say "you liberal hipocrites" and "you're ruining the country". Maybe they should just move to an island so they can preach and pass judgement with each other without any interruptions. Actually, stay here so we have someone to laugh at!

McCain would have got my vote had he chose Barney Rubble, but alas, he went with Betty. Mr. Obama just sealed my vote.

Posted by: Bewildered | September 2, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

"Regardless if I were a woman or a man, No, No, No, I would NOT run for VP if I knew that four months from now I would have the following in my home:

-a 9 month old infant with very special parenting and medical needs (Downs Syndrome)

-a newborn baby grandchild whose parents are still children

-a 17 yr old new mother who clearly needs more parental involvement and guidance in her life

-two other young children of mine who also need parental involvement.

-a spouse who works full time outside the house

In this circumstance, it would be selfish and irresponsible for me to spend the next 4 or 8 years travelling around the nation and world.

What kind of parent is Gov. Palin? Didn't the Republican party used to claim to have the monopoly on family values?

I am neither Democrat nor Republican, by the way."

Yea once a woman has a child she should stay at home, what kind of person really thinks women should be in the work place after they have children. Shssh, what kind of Arab nation are we?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Here's a good question,

Has anyone thought to ask the age of the father-to-be? This could also be a statutory rape case.

Here's something else to consider; right now Genarlow Wilson is serving a mandatory 10 year sentence for having oral sex with a minor in Atlanta. "Aggravated child molestation" was how it was described. At the time the young (white) girl was 15 and of course, Genarlow (black) was 17.

My point? Right now there are people in prison for engaging in sexual intercourse with a minor. Palin's daughter is 17 years old. Either way Palin's son-in-law to be needs to be investigated simply for the fact that sexual relations with a minor has been committed. Instead, the issue is brushed to the side because the young teens are planning to get married? (cough) B.S.


Posted by: Jae | September 2, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

I direct my comments to Anna.

Nowhere in his article did Mr. Robinson suggest this child should have an abortion. He simply poses he question asked by many . . when there are crises in a family, is that the time to expose these crises to the World? Nor is it about sexism and a 'mother's place'. The child has two parents, and certainly between them they can most likely tend to their own family's needs without our interference.

But, please understand, many of us are pro-choice,because we believe this to be a personal matter But many of us are quite vehemently opposed to abortion IN OUR OWN LIVES! This is what pro-choice means . . we have the right to choose and give that courtesy to others, depending upon their beliefs.

Indeed, this subject should and would be off limits, were it not for the fact that it and other matters mentioned in these blogs, expose McCain's apparently superficial vetting of his No. 2 . . when he had other people of substance to choose from. Olympia Snow and Kay Bailey Hutchinson if he needed to nominate a woman for example, and Christ, Pawlenty and Romney . . a plethora of choice - but unfortunately both women appear to be pro-choice! This is too much of the maverick for me . .

Posted by: egh | September 2, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Fools! All of you are fools!

Ha ha! Just kidding! You guys are great. I love you all. And great comments, too! Especially the one that called everyone fools. That was my favorite.

Posted by: cyberplasm | September 2, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

look for Palin to quit after the convention and McCain to pick Tom Ridge as VP, like he wanted to. That way the GOP base cannot touch him.

Who else are they going to vote for? Obama?

Posted by: halapeño | September 2, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Looks like poor judgement again for McSame. Spend millions telling me Obama lacks experience. Palin=Lynne Spears. Yes McSame you started it.

Posted by: Insanelayne | September 2, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Palin should tell McCain from the get go that she cannot take on the second highest office in the country.Tell him that she will have to put family first.
Palin has a lot of family issues to sort out; a sick child, a pregnant teen, a son in a war torn country that was voted for by McCain because of his lack of judgement.
Palin is putting herself first, not family, not country, Palin first. She is saying to hell with my sick son, my pregnant teen, my son at war, I want to be in the spot light.

Posted by: Hope | September 2, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

The Right bloggers here are all indignant and upset!!! Taking the MSM to task for daring to talk about this...but if the situation was reversed, and it was Obama's daughter that was pregnant, you can damn be assured that Rush...O'Reilly...and Hannity would be hammering him. However, the Repug's can dish it out...but are awfully thin-skinned when it gets shot back. I used to like McCain before he became McBush...what happended to his JUDGEMENT in the last 8 years....?

Posted by: adobeman | September 2, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Feeling sorry for her daughter and accepting whatever Sarah wants for her family. The problem is that she wants to put her way on millions of other girls or women. The conservatives may completely accept her for her anti-abortion and look other way with how she neglects her mother duty especially with the 4 month baby with special needs. It's much more than having lots of kids but also how to raise them, taking care and educate them,… She can do her way for her family but let the others have different choices. Many Christians will not vote for an "ABSENTEE MOTHER" even she is pro-life. She doesn't have family values at all. It's only about her wish for more political power!!

Posted by: CalifMan | September 2, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

You people don't know nothing. Palin's daughter is gonna pop out a messaiah.

Posted by: Dingbat | September 2, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Did Bush spend our tax money on his abstinence program? One must question how that money has been spent in Alaska. Craig and Vitter should co-sponsor a new bill to appropriate additional funding just for the abstinence education of the presidential families...

Posted by: dan | September 2, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Mr. Robinson. As a mother, I completely agree. This young woman needs the complete support of her mother during this very difficult time. My heart goes out to her. The last thing she needs is the glare of the media.

I cannot begin to understand why Ms. Palin's daughter is not her first priority.

Posted by: Vivienne | September 2, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

Why doesn't someone find out for sure who gave birth to the Downs baby?

Why would Sarah have her "water break," give a speech two hours later in Texas, make an 8 hour flight back to Alaska to have a premature/special needs baby in a small hospital that doesn't have a neo-natal unit for preemies/special needs babies? My God, how reckless is that!!!!!!!

Would YOU do that? Not me...I would have asked for the nearest ER and had my husband on the next darn flight to Texas!

I will always believe she was getting back home for her daughter to give birth.

Think about it. Why did she not tell anyone she was "pregnant" until she was 8 months, and why did she not "show" until after she made that announcement, and almost over night? Why did Bristol drop out of sight for the last months of Sarah's supposed pregnancy? Mono is the oldest excuse in the world...had a friend in high school who had the same "disease," but funny, her stomach swelled and not her glands.

Has anyone talked to any of the "little people" like housekeeping staff, secretarial staff, clerks, etc who were around her those last months of "pregnancy?" With current HIPPA laws it will be almost impossible to get a medical person to talk, but there are plenty of others out there who know something.

And think about it...where is the mother/child bond? Would YOU go back to work 3 days after a special needs/preemie baby was born, and would YOU accept the nomination to be VP if YOU had given birth to that child? It would be easier to leave a grandson than it would to leave a son, especially if you are resentful about the daughter getting pregnant. I just don't see a monther/child bond in her actions. And what's more, I was 28 when my child was born and it took me 2 weeks to get my energy back up to go to work...how can she do that in her 40's and with 4 other children, one going off to war.

Something is fishy here...I don't think it adds up to be her son. I just don't buy it.

I agree with Liffa....if she faked being pregnant then she is a sicko.

Posted by: indy | September 2, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vetter
If you need to vet Michelle O. just go to the public records at the hospital, college, employer. It's all there.

On the other hand, where are the public records for the Palins?

Demand equality.
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I hope you haven't forgotten Obama is running for President and Michelle would be his top advisor as President.

Palin is running for VP and gets to hold McCains hat at best.

The vetting for Michelle O. should go far beyhond some public records don't you think? Seems like she's gotten a free pass, why . . . maybe the press doesn't want to ask questions, or has been intimidated by the army of lawyers that Obama wields to intimidate anyone who annoys him.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

Where are the Bible thumping, woman oppressing, xenophobic, right wing, evangelical Christians when I need them most. They have reasons for 9/11, explanations and cures for homosexuality and pedophilia. The world is 6000 years old and evolution is the devil's idea. Eighteen is not too young for pregnancy and childbirth. At least one of our Founding Fathers sired children out of wedlock (with a slave) and a segregation supporting U.S. Senator fathered a child with an under aged girl in his father's employ. We have been very understanding of these men. Give this young woman a chance.

Posted by: Draesop | September 2, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

It is simply because of this spirited debate that the reps will not win. See reps say one thing but do entirely diffrent things. Cheney's daughter is a lesbian, right? Are not republicans the party of tradition? The bush twins arebetter now, but remembered a time when they flipped the bird from a limo. I say this because do you think that if it were Obama's cousin it would be diffrent. Would McCain not attack him? NO?
Whatg about when the preacher said what he did and President Obama was held acountable for his actions. I am cryin out shannagans on the Republicans. Long live President Obama and Vice-President Biden

Posted by: Ben Smith | September 2, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

Family values has been the signature line for the republican party for two decades at least. When there asked to be held accountable for their beliefs, suddenly family values and personal responsibility don't seem to matter. They're all a bunch of hypocrites.

Posted by: Bill | September 2, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

Guys n gals!

Why so sad? Look at it this way. Palin is the best choice for VP. She represents not only women in America, but also the down trodden and oppressed. Let me elucidate:
Case 1. Mom with 5 kids.
- Typical of a ghetto community. Mom with a hyper active husband, believer in "Pro Life" and with 5 kids.
Case 2. Gun slinger
- Mom has guns in her house. Kids have access to guns. Then, Virginia Tech happens. Classic example.
Case 3. Money dealer
- Mom wants money. Drugs (pronounced as oil) makes money. Mom sells drugs (pronounced as oil) to get rich.
Case 4. Teenage pregnancy
- Mom busy selling drugs (pronounced as oil). Under-aged kids free to enjoy (= sex). Oops! no condom (Mom did not tell her about that). Gets pregnant. Cant get abortion (mom a strict believer of "Pro Life"). Has a child at seventeen. Has to take care of the baby while the world passes by. However, get the guy (who she was enjoying with), to marry her. Then 4 years later he divorce her. She is 21 and cant even get a date cos she has to look after the kid.

See, its amazing how similar they are.
Sara Palin, you go girl.

Posted by: Political Critic | September 2, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

If YOUR teen does NOT want YOU to know what he/she is doing.... YOU WILL NOT KNOW. YOU are too preoccupied with YOURself!!! Selfish, but true.

This is just a case of normal parental trust .. ill-placed to be sure, but still proffered.

One must realize that by the time your teenager reaches breeding age, YOU cannot be prepared for the duplicity that will ensue while he/she pusues the nirvana of teendom ---- nookie !!!! . And, of course, "Johnny" is not the problem, neither is "Sue". Johnny and Sue are ---- well to be discreet, politically coreect and ever so reverent, they are "communicating", while you R being WILLINGLY unaware that sperm is flyihg.

REALLY !!! Get real !!! WE as humans are animals FIRST, humans SECOND, Citizens Third !!!!

SO! DO NOT BE SHOCKED that anyone is doing the deed. This is the primary reason why homo-sapiens RULES !!!

If ONLY the Democrats would quit, but, OH NO, they need to keep srewing around (please do not challenge my assertion or all of your big-time Dems will be toasted here.)

Please therfore ignore the runting teenagers, and pay attention only to the relevant candidate persons. I do not claim that the candidates will pass muster on their own credentials, BUT they should not be scrutinized for the actions of others.

Posted by: Ron Breen | September 2, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

Obviously, this women and her family know how to have babies. What else is there to do in Alaska?

She fits right in with the right-wing Nazi Republicans

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT THE COUNTRY AND THE MESS BUSH HAS GOTTEN US INTO.

Katrina
Bank Crisis
Energy Crisis
Housing Crisis
High Unemployment
Low economic grow
A very expensive occupation
A weak dollar
A huge nation debit

Great job Bush and Republicans!

Eight is enough!

I am independant

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

This is a non issue.

Palin is going to be a grandmother. End of story.

McCain made a bold and smart move to choose Palin.

She is a governor, a higher executive level than a senator. Governors can/do appoint senators. She is commander-in-chief of Alaska's military unit.

Palin's experience and performance is difficult to ignore.

McCain choose the Governor's circle to find his VP match.

Palin's pedigree is non-conventional, we all agree on that.

She embraces issues that some do not care about: pro-life, same-sex marriage.
She tackles issues that some do: spending reform, gov't accountability.

Votes in her favor will come from those who care about making changes in the way government operates.

This is what voting is all about.


Posted by: cate | September 2, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

I would have forced her to get an abortion. Not pro-choice, but, honestly, any other move is just stupid in that situation. Admit it people.

Posted by: Flinstone. | September 2, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

McCain did absolutely ZERO vetting when deciding a VP candidate. He chose her to placate all the anti-abortion people. Who cares about the war. Who cares about the economy. Who cares about the energy crises. Who cares about global warming. I'm sure intelligent design has a solution to all these problems. But abortion? OMG! We need to deal with that problem right away!

Posted by: Duhhh | September 2, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

My daughter is 17 and I cannot wrap my mind around how selfish Gov. Palin's choice to accept the VP position appears.  To serve up your daughter to the media to further your political career????  Christian Values??? Are you kidding me?  Also, Gov. Palin's 4 month old son needs her time and attention.  WHY did McCain choose this woman?  What convinced him after only two quick meetings?  Is it a gimmick?  Does he think she's pretty?  Is this really the best person for the #2 position on the planet?  My son attending law school at 24 already has more education.  Palin has a four year degree in journalism from Idaho University with NO foreign policy experience -- are you joking??? McCain's judgement on this decision is beyond irrational...  It's unfair - even cruel - to Sarah Palin and her family.  Gov. Palin seems like a great person, someone I'd pick for a friend, yet it is ignorant - insulting to attempt to compare Palin to Hillary.  Palin's education, experience, and her life situation are ALL reasons for Palin to withdraw her name from the ticket.  And, McCain needs to pass a mental health exam.  What a foolish choice. Can you imagine McCain and Palin locked in a room discussing world affairs/conditions as confidants - the A team - #1 & #2 ???  This choice makes McCain look weak minded and foolish - even pathetic.  My heart and prayers go out to the Palin family.  Welcoming your first grandchild is a beautiful blessing...  Hopefully the media will tread softly on the Palin family.  Hopefully Sarah Palin will adjust her priorities and put her family first.  One last thought...  WHO with an ounce of sense would take a plane ride from Texas to Alaska after her water broke???  The birth of Sarah Palin's son is the most outrageous story I've ever heard...  It could have easily turned tragic...  The story is so outrageous that it doesn't ring true. Fifth child delivered 12 hours after water breaks...?  not likely.  Many fifth children are delivered within hours.  McCain must be senile.  God help us all. 

I apologize for the rant... My answer is No, No way, No How could I ever do this to my daughter. It would be easier to give a stranger a kidney. I do not get it...

Posted by: Collette | September 2, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

One thing I say regarding McCain choice, McCain POOR POOR POOR judgment and Palin under estimating the job ahead of her. The women who was not able to teach her daughter the responsibility of her life, cannot be responsible of a nation!!!!!!

Fatima

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

If you are going to have 5 children YOU SHOULD PARENT THEM! Obviously, parenting isn't going on instead this women is gone promoting her career and own interests.

It's either have a big family or a career!

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT THE COUNTRY AND THE MESS BUSH HAS GOTTEN US INTO.

Katrina
Bank Crisis
Energy Crisis
Housing Crisis
High Unemployment
Low economic grow
A very expensive occupation/war
A weak dollar
A huge nation debit

Great job Bush and Republicans!

Eight is enough!

I am independent

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Laffer quote of the day: "And to those crying about racism, does it bother you at all that McCain has picked a VP not for - qualifications but because of - race?"

Are you still breathless?

Posted by: April E. Coggins | September 2, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

A sad commentary on the media and on you in particular. You must take a lot of pleasure in make this issue so public. May I suggest some remedial sensitivity training?

Posted by: Ang | September 2, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Well, after this journalist's story on 'would you do that to your daughter?' I suppose the next sensational article is 'would you let your daughter marry a guy like that?'.....C'mon, leave it alone and let them work it our privately, without your 'journalism' stories plastered all over the paper.

Posted by: c- | September 2, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

MR. R:
Your "article" shows the sad state of affairs with today's brand of so-called journalism. To go to the lengths to do harm to others reputation's for political points is flat out disgusting to me.

Your actions and the critical responses by many of your comment providers ....is about making judgements about other people and their decisions. When it comes to family in the USA, we used to show respect for the families - now thanks to the "new" media...this once proud characteristic of this country has been destroyed.

The reality is that today's news media in its appetite to devour...you are the ones that should be on trial for not allowing families to live. In my view, perhaps you all should be sent to spend a year with 'tiger hunter Putin' I am sure he would enjoy your views.

Just because you are in the "news media" does not give you the "right" to invade others lives PERIOD. Look how you cover-up for you own.

There is an interesting story about real life in all of this. How a family, and I have little doubt that this family all sat down together to discuss all of this, and weigh the pro's and con's. Would you hear the kids saying 'Mom, you must go for this, this is a wonderful opportunity for you!' 'We support you, we can handle it'....in this could be the real heroic lesson of how a family works together...regardless of how good or bad the decision...that is the depth that truly can make us a breed apart.

How many times have we all likely said 'there but for the grace of God go I', we have all likely had to deal with some turmoil and were thankful that, at best, our issue was left between me and God while hoping others would show some kindness some compassion for my plight were it to be revealed.

Put yourself firmly in the others person's shoes before you speak. And even if you disagree....show the respect for others that you would wish them to show you if they did not agree with you.

Posted by: AnkMan | September 2, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

I am fired up because of this and many people I know are too.. We will be voting for Palin and she has our support during the liberal media bashing.

Obama is selfish for leaving his two daughters at home while he is campaigning.

oh wait? Sexist ***

Posted by: Bill | September 2, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

its a MOTHER thing, family first... always family first....

if only this family were a bit older and bit more sustainable on its own, sorry 17 year olds, i know you know it all...

atleast you'll have a BACKUP of tax paid babysitters waiting in the side lines... every day and night... for the next 4 years, till kindergarden!

Posted by: dorothy t | September 2, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

People dont go to hell for having an abortion. People go to hell for their unbelief and not accepting Jesus Christ as their pesonal savior.
Being a parent is tough and if abstinence can be achived until a child is married that would be quite an accomplishment.
You fools better start looking at the communistic views of Obama, who is definetely rich and wants to separate and eliminate the middle class and reduce the heart of this country to slaves. Obama is a racist communist pig, liar anti-american and an anti-christ. He will tell you anything to get your vote and then sell you out the second he can. YOU DOLTS

Posted by: discusted | September 2, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Making her daughter do what? Accept the consequences of her actions? This is BAD parenting?

My daughter informed me that she was pregnant and getting married was not a thing they were planning on doing for a while. Now they and baby live with his mom and YOU JERKS THINK I HAD ANY OPTIONS?

It's so easy to attack but if the tables are turned you cry foul - the heck with the lot of you!

Posted by: You People are Idiots! | September 2, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like Palin doesn't have half the problems of Obama!

Posted by: HalfHalo | September 2, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line, if this were Obama's issue the republican party would be slamming him on this. Republicans have used power and greed to make their party rich while sending soldiers into harms way as I have felt first hand with my best friends death in jan 2008.

I hate all politicians, I really do, they all want power and look at our tax dollars as free money. Why do the politicians make so much money for doing practically nothing. Palin'd issue right now is not her teen being pregnant but this investigation which just got really hot based on new email evidence they have found. Let's not forget joe she did fact take pork barrel spending for Alaska after saying she rejected the govt the day she came into office.

The next president needs to do one thing. Tell Saudi Arabia that we will stop buying their oil unless they sell it for 40 bucks a barrell and stick to his guns. Do we need to buy oil everday, I mean my god these countries rely on us to refine it as the don't have our technologies. We have years of reserves on hand and demand is low now. This whole war has been about oil and boy did bush and Cheney make out big time. They should invest theri bank accounts asap. Next president that can say f u to the Saudis will be the best hope for the us and world. I think us Americans can do with not having to buy oil everday to lower global prices. Why don't all you politicians speculate on that!!!! F u Saudi's and OPEC, times are soon changing for u. And why is us selling Iran wepons in the backend, OIL!!!!!!

Posted by: chitchat | September 2, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

If you take a good look at the Republicans who are justifying and supporting Sara she just might be the best Republican for VP!

If you are going to have 5 children YOU SHOULD PARENT THEM! Obviously, parenting isn't going on instead this women is gone promoting her career and own interests.

It's either have a big family or a career!

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT THE COUNTRY AND THE MESS BUSH HAS GOTTEN US INTO.

Katrina
Bank Crisis
Energy Crisis
Housing Crisis
High Unemployment
Low economic grow
A very expensive occupation
A weak dollar
A huge nation debit

Great job Bush and Republicans!

Eight is enough!

I am independent

Posted by: Americian | September 2, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

Why are Repubes on this site? Doesn’t the Washington Times need readers?

Repubes are total hypocrites. That’s not a new statement—we all know it, but this is really beyond belief. This is not a family matter; it is a public policy matter. She can’t even practice what she preaches and wants to force on others. What parent would put their child through this public humiliation, just to further their own ambition and massively inflated ego? And she eats moose and wants to chow down on a polar bear, too. What a hideous being she is. All those snotty, self-absorbed, tax cheating repubes usually do their best to keep trailer trash out of the country club. Griswolds, party of 7+.


If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen and cook your moose somewhere else. We are not attacking the kid who was born into a bazaar right-wing family, we are attacking the clueless, hypocritical, moralist mother who is as corrupt as all Repubes are and lacks the experience and good judgment to run a town as small as the one in Northern Exposure. And no, an Idaho journalism grad \ ESPN wannabe and a havard law review attorney who is the senator of a state that actually has people in it and received 18 million votes, do not equate even if I didn’t vote for him.

Posted by: Patrick in the Red Neck Zone | September 2, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

The more we discover about Sarah Palin the more we find out what a creepy, gun-toting beauty queen she is. McCain must have OD'd on Geritol when he picked her. It's too late now. Had he picked anyone else he would have been better off.

Posted by: Bill | September 2, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

voting is a joke.
there will be people who will vote for McCain because he has a woman on his ticket regardless of her views on any of the real issues.
there will be people who will vote for Obama because he is black regardless of his views on any of the issues.
then there will be people who vote only based on one issue - abortion.
voting is just another popularity contest.

Posted by: votingisajoke | September 2, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

Well, after this journalist's story on 'would you do that to your daughter?' I suppose the next sensational article is 'would you let your daughter marry a guy like that?'.....C'mon, leave it alone and let them work it our privately, without your 'journalism' stories plastered all over the paper.

Posted by: c- | September 2, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

The reason that this is such a hot topic is because it shows how we as AMERICANS have a need to come together. From what I have read, Gov. Palin's position on sex education is abstinence only. I'm not saying she is wrong, but that there has to be more options than the "just say no" approach when it comes to sex. That may work for some kids, but not all. The second issue is the "shotgun" wedding. I'm glad that they are keeping the child, that's great, but to marry at 17? Anyone know off hand what the current divorce rate is?
With that said, even though this is a very private and sensitive matter, it shows how our country is being torn apart due to lack of compromise.

Posted by: Deez | September 2, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

Andrew Austin raises a salient and searing point: Barack Obama, in his convention speech, pulled the "when I tuck my girls in bed at night" crap and the Dems fell for it. What pandering. He needs to make us believe that he is such a great dad. But Andrew hit it on the head: How many times over the last two years that he has been running for president has he tucked his girls to bed? Did u see the picture of his little girl falling asleep on her mother's lap duing hsi speech. And that was only at 10:00 pm! I am sure he is usually out later than that figuring out how to skewer the Repucblicans (now that he finished skewering Hillary) and then make it look like he's not skewering anyone, he's above board (witness his forceful statement that he will fire anyone caught making an issue of Bristol's pregnancy, when deep down he really lvoes the issue). Are Dems so naive? Will they believe anything this man says?

I love how whenver his campaign shows his true colors, he quickly has a come back with a line of apology, such as his parading his family on PEOPLE and then saying "I'll never do that again" too late buddy, or the initial reaction to Palin's nomination -- which was quite sexist and then the next day come out with congratulatory comments. In Obama's world, everything can be said or done so long as it is quickly followed up with an apology and retraction by way of explaining how people "regrettably" get emotional and its the heat of the moment thing yada yada. Thus, he never has to answer for anything, except for Rev. Wright, which he first got away with by turning it into a national specatacle on race relations, and then finally disowned the one he could never disown -- oh and the woman who runs from black on the otehr side of th street is one of the few he will seek advice from in trying times.

Pathetic. YOu all are being played by a master politician, the exact thing he claim to be against. Brooks had it right, even Bill clinton couldn't have pulled off such a lie. What a phony.

Posted by: JJ123 | September 2, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

QUESTION: How many lawyers will Obama use to shut down your freedom of expression?

ANSWER: As many as it takes

Think about it and don't pull the lever for Obama, he is a legal intimidator.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

I am really disgusted!! McCain and the Republicans were calling Obama a "shallow celebrity" and now McCain chooses Palin, whose family story is starting to look like a guest appearance on some reality TV show?

Is this the best America can do in finding people willing to step forward to lead us?

If change is what we really want (and McCain's selection of Palin says a lot about why change is needed) I recommend we abandon both the major parties and vote Libertarian!!!

Posted by: Dr. Paul Giammalvo | September 2, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand these people who are posting saying that Gene is attacking, personally, Gov Palin or Bristol. The article I read, and I hope everyone here read it, was merely reporting the facts and then asking a simple question, would you do that? Well, would you? I don't see many posters answering this question. I for one, would not bring my 17 year old daughter front and center on a national level in a situation like this. Yes, family appearances are fine, but this has gone way beyond that, and I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't hide the fact my daughter was pregnant, but she would be with her grandparents out of the public eye.

Now, for all you anti-Obama zealots who feel the need to question why we are even talking about this, 1) It's America and we can freely talk about whatever we want and 2) If a VP candidate is going to run on her "morals", "ethics" and "family values" then I think it is fair to look at those areas and ask questions of those areas. I'm not saying Sarah is a bad parent because of this, but lets all be honest. This is not traditional conservative family values being presented here.

But, at the end of the day, this is not an election about Bristol's pregnancy or Sarah's parenting skills. It's about the issues. So, lets look at Gov. Palin's stances on the issues:

1) She opposes abortion even in cases of rape and incest.

2) She believes life begins at conception and not implantation, a direct contradiction of what virtually every medical doctor believes.

3) She has 4 occurences of firing people simply because she did not like them, or they disagreed with her. She is currently being investigated for one of these occurences.

4) She believes the ideas of Creationism and Intelligent Design should be taught in public schools along side the Theory of Evolution.

5) She believes the Earth is warming and that man has nothing to do with it.

6) She is suing the federal government because they want to put the polar bear on the endangered species list. She claims the Federal science is flawed, which is funny given her belief that Creationism is science.

7) She thinks it should be okay to shoot wolves from planes, as this will thin the wolf population and allow more moose to flourish in the wild, which hunters, like her, can then hunt.

8) She is quoted as saying "[A]s for that V.P. talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the V.P. does every day?"

9) She initially supported the "Bridge to Nowhere" even though she claims now that she was against it.

How's that? Still want to talk about Gov Palin and the issues?

Posted by: Andrew | September 2, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Good god people think about what you are saying before you say it. Comments such as she has five children, an autistic child, a pregnant teen, she must be a terrible mother, not to be at home and keep her baby on a schedule. This is the 21st century people that speak all they want is equality for men and women why don’t you go back to the 1800's because many of you are suggesting that this woman's place is in the home. While I do not agree with Obama on much I do respect his decision not to attack this and to you up on a pedestal democrat, how often did Kerry or Edwards bring up the fact that Dick Cheney's daughter was a lesbian? the topic of gay marriage could not come up without that card being played. People need to realize that politicians are people; we all have skeletons in our closet. The fact that her daughter is taking responsibility for her actions and keeping the baby is a sign of the values that this administration is going to bring to Washington. If the roles were reveres and Sarah Palin's husband were the vp candidate these would not be nearly as scrutinized and fyi to all you people that talk before you type, Sarah Palin's Husband is a stay at home dad, not unlike many wives of Washington politicians, so if you are going to attack their family for their choices and non commitment to their family be willing to do the same thing for every senator and rep who does the exact same thing, but hey maybe I am wrong maybe the woman does belong in the home.

Posted by: Larry from Kansas | September 2, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Not only in America, everyone in the world were talking about Mr Obama and McCain started loosing ground. But an out-of-the-box decision and the shocking announcement (like many decisions made by Bush) by the 72 year old man changed the topic of the discussion from Obama to Palin. Controversial candidate. Things are getting INTERESTING.

Posted by: Boson | September 2, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

It is often inconvenient, and rarely much fun, to be a mother at 17 -- but it is not some unspeakable tragedy. I've known a few, and they were excellent mothers and fine people.

Posted by: Cerebral but dull | September 2, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

An old man with a former pageant queen to be next President & VP of the U.S.? I don't think so.

Posted by: GGYY | September 2, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

WOW. The libs are hungry. I don't support teen pregnancy or abortion. I believe abortion is murdering an unborn child. Check out all the psych clinics with young girls trying to cope with what they did to their child after an abortion. Most people go through life with challenges and how we handle them is how we are measured. What I am hearing from the libs is every parent with a job that requires them to leave home for extended periods are bad parents. So everyone parent in the military, all you truckers, people in sales, airline pilots, cruise line workers, oil platform workers, etc are all lousy parents? Oh wait...only if you are a mother and have those jobs. Funny how the libs say they are for the progress of woman but the truth is only for liberal woman. The results from troopergate is what we all need to focus on.

Posted by: Jax | September 2, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

this is not change mr. mccain its more of the same! OBAMA SAVE US FROM BUSH 3!

Posted by: Ben Smith | September 2, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

Why are you liberals so concerned about who McCain picked?

If she's so awful, he should get wiped out, right?

Ahhhhhhh ... you don't REALLY believe she is so awful.

I see.

Posted by: Jindal-Pawlenty | September 2, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

btw, load of crap she'll be too busy to raise her infant son and be VP. Bush gets way way more holidays than any Mom I know. And he's the actual president.

Posted by: robin | September 2, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

People dont go to hell for having an abortion. People go to hell for their unbelief and not accepting Jesus Christ as their pesonal savior.
Being a parent is tough and if abstinence can be achived until a child is married that would be quite an accomplishment.
You fools better start looking at the communistic views of Obama, who is definetely rich and wants to separate and eliminate the middle class and reduce the heart of this country to slaves. Obama is a racist communist pig, liar anti-american and an anti-christ. He will tell you anything to get your vote and then sell you out the second he can. YOU DOLTS

Posted by: discusted | September 2, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

Write this down...

All the "pressure" you're putting on Palin's daughter will force her to make a public statement in the coming weeks about how her mother is wonderful, how she allowed her children to make their own decision but be responsible for their actions, etc. Then, the stress still be applied, the daughter will have a miscarriage. The press and democrats (the same thing) will be blamed and it will give the republicans ammunition for sweeping legislation for limiting access to political hopefuls' private lives and bring on the end of Roe v. Wade.

It's not a question of Democrats or Republicans for me - they're all idiots. We need someone of substance willing to make tough decisions and not appeal to the lowest common denominator. It's obvious from a majority of responses to this question (and the state of our nation overall) that we're in big trouble if someone doesn't "step up to the plate" very soon.

Posted by: ukonical | September 2, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

This was an embarrassing vetting failure on the part of John McCain and the Republican Party. There were wonderful VP candidates out there who would have strengthened the Republlican ticket. Instead, in a rush to please the Evangelical Christian Right, someone was chosen who superficially had all of the right credentials to make John McCain more palatable to that constituency, but who on further inspection will provide the scandal sheets and personality magazines with sufficient fodder to last through the election and beyond. This candidate should have announced her family problems, ceded the nomination in order to care for her daughter and reduce the intensity of scrutiny on daughter and child, and allowed McCain to select someone with better armor against Republican enemies. Any advantage she had from being pro-life, conservative Christian, and pro-drilling has vanished.

This vetting process that produced this failure gives me pause about the decision making capabilities among the Republican power elete. Why hasn't McCain sought to surround himself with better talent, with the best and brightest, as Obama seems to be doing? What were the decisions that led the Republican Party and John McCain to choose a soccer mom with a 17 y.o. pregnant unmarried daughter to this very powerful position. Where is the respect for the office? For my intelligence?

Posted by: Bob in Sacramento | September 2, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

Clown talk

She's 17 years old - practically an adult.

18 when she has the child.

Mind your own business.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

response to "Real people need to be able to run for office, or apply for jobs, or go to school even when their personal lives, or the personal lives of their children go through some ups and downs."...

get real, we are not talking about a 9-5 job. even regular positions in administrations go through much more scrutinty than this to ensure that the elected official is able to server the country. please...this has got to be one of the biggest historical blunders ever.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

If you really believe there is no hypocrisy across both parties, then you are the one really blind. I'm not sure I would want to put my family through something like this, but it's Mrs. Palin's choice. I’m not sure how she expects to balance this type of family life with the arduous life of being a VP.

Posted by: darkstar | September 2, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

If Palin doesn't step aside tomorrow, McCain might as well give up. If he goes through with this race with this running mate, he's done in politics. This is a mistake he'll regret for the rest of his years.

Posted by: Bill | September 2, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Palin's daughter's condition proves we are all human and our lives don't go as neatly as we planned. It is interesting that a conservative, specifically a religious conservative, is held in contempt in such a circumstance, questioning even Palin's decision to run for the second highest office in the land. If it were a liberal, the plight of the young pregnant woman would be celebrated and Democratic members of Congress would be falling over themselves to pass laws to provide funding for this woman and her unborn child, including abortion.

I see the dichotomy in this situation quite clearly: A conservative has ideals that should be lived up to, but because we are human and prone to mistakes, this doesn't always happen as in Palin and her daughter's case. We must deal with the situation in a sober and adult manner. We know it is the right thing to do even if our own lives don't quite reach these ideals. It doesn't mean the ideals are not valuable. It is obvious that it would be best for the child to have a father and mother and to be raised in a loving home that offers the child every opportunity to succeed. To a liberal, having any ideals is inappropriate and you deal with problems as they come, making excuses for the actions taken to justify the outcome. This deals with the problems in a childlike and immature way.

Robinson's admonition of Palin falls clearly under the childlike and immature category: Criticizing her for accepting the nomination for Vice President in light of her daughters condition. Palin has done the right thing, accepted the nomination, and is moving ahead in a responsible and adult manner. Life goes on.

Posted by: Wasyl Bodnar | September 2, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Americans without any events in their lives that produce feelings of despair and shame are certainly qualified to continue to ridicule and "throw stones".
Americans need to stop trying to imitate the "pointless judgements" of the talk show, political hack pundants. We are Americans, let's all stop attacks on personal issues and make our vote count as our "best judgement".

Posted by: bingo | September 2, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

First, Palin is already the governor so the public klieg lights would be there in any case.

Second, in the bigger picture, the best thing the candidate could do for the daughter is to press forward and make the best of it. How would you like to be the daughter who cost your Mom a shot at becoming the first woman VP?

Third, ask yourself, would you ask or expect a sitting VP (or president) to resign because a child got caught up in a teen pregnancy?

This column and these issues just seem like a lot of silly season, campaign nonsense.

Posted by: kevin h | September 2, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Here is a comment without the word s#h#i#t. Let us C C C if the blog moderator traps it 4 editing?

Posted by: Ron Breen | September 2, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Lay off the KIDS you mamaless animals. Is this how far you liberals will go to win an election. It's not enough you undermine the US military, cheer when soldiers die, call our leaders hitler...

BUT YOU'RE GOING TO BEAT UP ON A 17 YEAR OLD GIRL AND AN INFANT WITH DOWN SYNDROME. DEMOCRATS ARE SCUM.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Beauty Queen yesterday and Vice President today!

This women is a want-to-be! That's fine as Mayor or Governor of no where.

NOW IT IS AT THE COST OF THE COUNTRY! THAT'S NOT OK!

Posted by: us | September 2, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

If you don’t believe in evolution, were a member of a secessionist party (e.g. AIP), and you end you sentences with “Yup, yup,” you might not measure well against Sen. Joe Biden as a VP candidate. If McCain wasn’t an old obstinate pinhead who knows it all, he’d end this charade, before the GOP VP nomination.

Posted by: Betty from New Jersey | September 2, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Millions of illegals in US are having their 1st baby at 16/17, yet not a peep out of the libs on this. Why not?

Instead the libs are welcoming it, why because they think they will get votes. Hypocrites.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

McCain is 72 and a cancer survivor. A heartbeat away might be Sarah Palin as our President. Knowledge of her views and lifestyle makes it reasonable for citizens to ponder the real possibility that she, herself, may again conceive and have to endure the physical and emotional stress of pregancy in her mid to late 40's. She should not have accepted this position at this time of her life.

Posted by: snpanago | September 2, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

Eugene - in case you're forgetting, Senator Biden took the oath of Senatorial office standing by the bedside of his injured family after his wife had just died!! You seem to conveniently forget that when you blame this lady for accepting an opportunity of a lifetime. Why should what Biden did be ok, but when a woman does this, you pop out of the woodwork to blame her for not sitting at home and not disappearing quietly into the Alaskan sunset??

Posted by: Bidenisinthesameboat | September 2, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

So if McCain wins, can we expect the Palin family in the White house? Sounds like sex in the lincoln bedroom for the 17 yr old

Posted by: Ben Smith | September 2, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

"If Palin doesn't step aside tomorrow, McCain might as well give up. If he goes through "

Hardly - I know people who will vote for him because of this decision.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

To the morons who said Barack Obama was pandering when he said he tucks his children into bed at night. You are the reason the republicans will lose, because you've just proved you're sociopaths.

Posted by: Bill | September 2, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Where is Barack's bounce?

80,000 people in a stadium.

McCain picks an unknown.

And Barack has no bounce.

Y'all shoulda picked Hillary ... and you know it.

Posted by: Jindal-Pawlenty | September 2, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Ugh, Ugh, . . . Yup, Yup
Obama/Palin

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe that McCain really vetted Palin as thoroughly as he claims.

Posted by: Cadmus | September 2, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Wake up America! The Palin family is in a crisis, but so are many other families; but more importantly our own country is in crisis and the future of our planet hangs in the balance. This election should not be about Pro Choice. Why does politics involve themselves in personal &/or religious views? Doesn't the Constitution grant us freedom of speech and religion? Someone's personal CHOICE is just that. Who are we to judge anyone else?..."Those without sin, may cast the first stone"...The issue of a female breaking some glass ceiling, or even electing the first black (or half black) President, it NOT reason to vote in this election. It is about getting the U.S.A.'s reputation back in good standing, it's about keeping our military strong yet safe and allowing them to fight terrorism where the terrorists are hiding, It's about saving starving children and ending human atrocities in the world. It should be about finding cures for horrendeous diseases such as AIDS and cancer and promoting stem-cell research which can benefit mankind...Why is it that the Europeans get it? They favor Obama and so do I.Simply educate yourself on the important issues, listening to both sides. When you open your eyes, ears and hearts to the real issues staring us in the face, your choice will be clear..

Posted by: MILLIE IN GA | September 2, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton - the Saint of the Democratic Party That's all I 2want to say here.

Posted by: Ron Breen | September 2, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

As a conservative Alaskan I voted for Sarah Palin for Governor and initially thought she was doing a great job for our state. Over time I've become disillusioned with her. She promised the people of Ketchikan their bridge (which is not to nowhere, it's to the island with their city's airport!) and she's still funding the road that leads to where the bridge would have been built, which is a multi-million dollar project that seems absurd now.

Also, she kept the money for the bridge to nowhere, the only thing that changes is that now Alaskan's get to vote on how it's spent. Pork anyone?

I am particulary upset by the fact she promised Juneau residents repeatedly that she would fully support our road to the mainland (besides Honolulu, we're the only non road accessible state capitol in the nation) which she reversed her position on after the election.

She also SWORE that she would oppose any effort to move the state capitol from Juneau to near Wasilla (where she was mayor) yet now she is reversing herself on that campaign promise as well. She is our first governor ever to refuse living in the Governor's mansion here in Juneau, and instead continues to live in Wassila.

Frankly, I could care less about her baby or her pregnant teen daughter (no offense)...what I care about is that she LIES! I live in Juneau and part of me hopes she becomes VP just so my community and the rest of Southeast Alaska will be safe from her vendetta.

On the other hand, McCain is 72, has survived cancer 4 times, and has a history of heart attacks in his family. The idea of "Barracuda" Palin as commander in chief would keep me up at night!

I have my doubts about Obama, though his acceptance speech the other night was more impressive than I expected. What I'm really hoping for, is that Palin will drop out as VP so I can vote for McCain with a clear conscience.

Posted by: Alaskan Ken | September 2, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

"Hardly - I know people who will vote for him because of this decision."

Proof postive republicans are hypocrites.

Posted by: Bill | September 2, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

So if McCain wins, can we expect the Palin family in the White house? Sounds like sex in the lincoln bedroom for the 17 yr old. this is not change, just more of the same

Posted by: Ben Smith | September 2, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

every family has a crisis eventually, she seems to be handling hers at this time. the daughter should be left alone, she made a mistake. yes the PARENTS may have contributed to it, especially allowing her to "date" an older man?, but the older man would have been a status raiser among young girl, especiaaly in high shcool.
as for those who wonder how she's going to manage a family, and be vp at the same time, IS SHE THE ONLY PARENT THERE YOU IDIOTS???
her husband has had to do the raising since she's had a FULL TIME JOB for awhile now. since when is it only the womans job to raise the children.
i know several homemaking husbands doing quite well, moy brother especially. my sister i law is pretty much useless with the kids, but she does have a well paying job and a career.

lets leave the family side out of the and act as " enlightened adults of the modern age", and not slide back mentally 30 years into pidgeon-holed domestic roles

Posted by: chicagojim | September 2, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

John Kennedy - the Saint of the Democratic party. That's all I want to say here.

Posted by: Ron Breen | September 2, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

For all the talk on judgment vs experience, and how McSame has the better on both compared to Obama, this incident shows him poorly on both and has real potential 1-2 punch against the Repugs this fall...

1) Shame on Judgment:
a) Mama Palin - for choosing to travel from TX to Alaska after her water broke when she was carrying Trig
b) Mama Palin - for preaching abstinence but not being able to enforce it in her own family
c) Mama Palin - for choosing to bring her family into the limelight by entering the veep race despite knowing the embarrassment it might cause Bristol
c) Mama Palin - once again, for entering the veep race and not being able to bring up a Down's Syndrome child in its first year
and finally...
e) McSame - for not doing a thorough job of checking veep credentials and bringing someone who is such a potent disaster with her own family as the caretaker of the nation a heartbeat away from the presidency

2) Shame on Experience:
a) Palin - of the Ms Alaska 1984 fame
b) Palin - of the Wasilla City Hall Mayor fame - the city hall is no bigger than an ice-cream store
c) Palin - whose first overseas trip was in 2006 and also the year she got her first ever passport made
d) McSame - for choosing someone with 'two' whole years of executive experience and passing up several others

Posted by: coolio1973 | September 2, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse

1. It's a reasonable thing to assume that the Palins got together as a family to make this decision. What your family thinks of us as human beings, in a close family, means much, much more to us than the opinions of strangers, regardless of the quantity.

2. Bristol Palin's best interests were served by her mom choosing to accept this offer. The guilt she could harbor the rest of her life for being the reason that US history was not made and, if she believes in her mom, that the future of the nation could suffer because of her, would be potentially unbearable. If it were me at 17, I would BEG my mom to not change her plans because of me. How horrible it would be for Bristol if her mom had said no because of her.

3. Implicit in your article is the assumption that the media would treat Bristol poorly. Your accusation is that Sarah Palin is not adequately protecting her daughter from the likes of you. Therein lies the ultimate disconnect. Game over.

4. Perhaps it is wise to look to history, when teenage pregnancy was not a great problem, to discover what changed. Our whole society, not just educators, taught that sex is designed for a man and a woman within the context of marriage. Seems to me to be counter-intuitive to say that teaching abstinence caused this problem. When abstinence was truly taught, there was very little teenage pregnancy. The lack of moral values in our nation is causing the destruction, not the lack of teaching further destruction of those values. Are we making progress moving away from values taught by Christ? Are we happier as a people? Are we more content? Actually, suicide, teenage pregnancy, divorce, you name it, are up up up. The loosening further of the reigns on our personal morals is not the answer. This, too, is counter-intuitive.

Posted by: Rose | September 2, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse

This IS an issue if Palin pretended to be pregnant to hide her daughter's first pregnancy. that question has to be answered and not buried in the smoke screen of Bristol's current pregnancy. They even said it was being announced now to put to end the rumors about Trig. How was THAT supposed to work? The timing of Trig's birth and this pregnancy do not conflict at all. My own mother got pregnant immediatley with my sister after I was born...it lacks 11 days being a year between us. We can do the math...what else have you got?

She is a very disturbed woman if she created this kind of cover-up. This has to be put to rest and not by announcing this latest Palin family pregnancy as a red herring!

Posted by: gretchen | September 2, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse

http://deals.families.com/domestic-infant-down-syndrome-adoptionwhere-to-start,t113282

Posted by: hounddoghowl | September 2, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse

If you take a good look at the Republicans who are justifying and supporting Sara she just might be the best Republican for VP!

If you are going to have 5 children YOU SHOULD PARENT THEM! Obviously, parenting isn't going on instead this women is gone promoting her career and own interests.

It's either have a big family or a career!

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT THE COUNTRY AND THE MESS BUSH HAS GOTTEN US INTO.

Katrina
Bank Crisis
Energy Crisis
Housing Crisis
High Unemployment
Low economic grow
A very expensive occupation
A weak dollar
A huge nation debit

Great job Bush and Republicans!

Eight is enough!

I am independent

Posted by: Americian | September 2, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse

This is a sexist OP/ED

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Posted by: McCain/Palin | September 2, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse

You have to be kidding me with this article. She is already Governor! Her Daughter was already going to be in the spotlight, and simply because she made a choice that many of your find unwise in her life does not mean her parents have to sacrifice doing good for the public to "protect" her from the fact she is getting married and having a child at a young age. NEWS FLASH: this is the reality of many Americans and other folks world wide. To be honest you're pretty disgraceful for ever writing this piece, you media blood hounds feed on controversy and the few of you left that aren't just paid talking heads are little more than tabloid writers. I wish American's could see beyond your feeble attempts at persuading voters and realize how private matters should be handled within families. And this is a NON political issue. It goes for private matters of Democrats and Republicans. The reason we don't have more qualified people involving themselves in politics is because of media people like you who pounce on every single imperfection or difficult circumstance a candidate faces in their life gets covered 24/7. And GOD FORBID anyone digs up the skeletons in your closet and calls you out for being a hypocrite.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:33 AM | Report abuse

the best way to get the Clintons back in the White House is to get Sarah Palin's daughter in there, Bill would surely find a way to get back in.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

What are you looking for Barack?

You're bounce?

Hmmmmm .... I think John McCain has it.

Posted by: Jindal-Pawlenty | September 2, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

It looks like her drama is more than her experience.

Posted by: GGYY | September 2, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Would You Do That to Your Daughter?

Bill Clinton got blow jobs under his desk in the oval office. At the time, it was Chelsea's home. Hope you people were all as concerned about her back then, and how unqualified it made President Clinton. (Who was also former Governor of Arkansas, with an alleged "bastard" baby with a much younger black girl... among a long list of other "scandals." Oh, and by the way, "Gov." Clinton... that was a really big state he came from.)

Feminist... narrowly defined. It's a political definition first and foremost. Any female on the wrong side of the feminist political fence, no accounts.

Who says this girl is ashamed of being pregnant? Seems to me, y'all are the one's making it a "shameful" situation. Pretty archiac for supposedly progressive thinkers.

For the record, for the first time in decades... I am probably not voting for president. I don't have a dog in this race.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Neither a child nor a parent should be subjected to further public embarrassment when they are themselves trying to deal with their private trials. Passing judgments on them is indecent. We do not know their circumstances.

In Ms. Palin's case, these questions are just as wrong today as Chelsea Clinton being asked a month ago, about her father's affair 8 years ago. Chelsea did nothing to be subjected to such humiliation. Not once but multiple times, she was confronted with the same despicable harassment.

As a society, have we lost regard for people and privacy? Has the press too lost the art and skill of revealing substance without stripping people into distasteful nakedness?

Are the journalists skilled and fashioned like archeologists, or do they more resemble a one man demolition crew, blowing up life and property to clear their path to self serving sensationalism?

Are we living in a culture of hypersensitive hair-triggers in every aspect of our lives? Are there any limits of decency other than legal ones?

If Obama and McCain step forward to quash personal assaults, we will at least be looking in the right direction.


Posted by: Rajeev Rawat | September 2, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Ronald Reagan - the Saint of the Republican party. That's all I want to say here.

Posted by: Ron Breen | September 2, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

I think Michael Savage is right. McCain is throwing the election. Why else does he make such monumental screw-ups. You can't do things like this on accident. He really is taking a dive.

Posted by: Bill | September 2, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

How many teenagers did Bill Clinton have to pay off to stay quiet?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

all the intelligent design believers also believe that abortion is murder.
hey. we're committing murder in Iraq right now. where were you when this country went to war? were you out there in an anti-war march?
hey. we're committing murder with capital punishment. are you out there protesting against the death penalty too?
hey. we're committing murder by drilling for more natural resources regardless of its consequences towards the ecosystem.
so where are you?

Posted by: losersrespond | September 2, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Hey ya'll -- lets get real. You elitist folks are kinda like my daddy once told me - "show me four Baptist and I'll show you a fifth".

Obviously most of the discussion above is childish and elitist. I am absolutely sure that most of us are as qualified for the office as any of the candidates, but will not subject our families or ourselves to the ridiculous scrutiny such as this, in exchange for the measly compensation package of this office. We are all "gutless pukes" who should examine our motives prior to criticizing those who have the intestinal fortitude to expose themselves to this madness. More power to Mrs. Palin. God Bless. you, and you family.

Posted by: rvsbs | September 2, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

When I read about the latest developments last night, I just had to sigh and smile. Life IS stranger than fiction. You could not make this up. Let's celebrate how life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. As a Hillary supporter, I'll say a prayer and send honest best wishes to Ms Palin and her beautiful family, but I'll vote for Mr. Obama.

Posted by: dingo | September 2, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

Palin aborted her family - sad

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

This is crazy..this whole thing sounds too absurd to me. First of all our president hopeful john mccain is 70 plus years old and i dont know how this old and dilapitaded brain functions under stress. By his own admission he had been in a devastating war and had been into cancer a few times and add to this his senility and his judgement is suspect.

He selected sarah palin as his running mate just after one meeting..speaks a lot about his desperation and cold political calculation rather than foresight and wisdom. How can you select someone for such a key post just after one meeting..it is reckless, impulsive and irresponsible.

Now coming to sarah palin..having five children and that too a five month old baby at 44 is a bit too far fetching no matter how pro life you are. She must be caring for the child and family instead of running for this job.

Now coming to her daughter..it is a poor choice..one that is irresponsible and wreckless. It is not about morals or sex but it is plain careless and callous attitude to life that stuns me. It is just a matter of carrying a condom in the purse. You cannot defend such actions by any measure of sanity...everbody is sexually aware nowadays and you cannot feign innocence.

Posted by: observer | September 2, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

Obama does not do it? And the Dems disapprove? and WHERE will the world be in a few decades without babies? I mean ethnically diverse babies? Not just one race or etnicity??

So is it the case that Democrats, Republicans, Facists, Nazis, Federalists, Confederates, Libertaians or WHO-THE-FRICK-EVER are mor gonadilly-correct?????

People !!! Try to focus a LITTLE bit on the political issues and not on your genitals.

Posted by: Ron Breen | September 2, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

I am sorry for the girl but the Republicans are reaping what they've sown even since they started claiming they were the "Moral Majority". Of course they'd tear apart a Democratic candidate's daughter in the same position in a heartbeat - look how they accused the Clinton's of murdering one of their staff, Vince Foster.

Posted by: Luther | September 2, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

No eight years is not enough of:

Security
Freedom
Prosperity

We need another eight and dimokrauts are not the soulution only part of the problem.

Posted by: Minuteman | September 2, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

Wake up America! The Palin family is in a crisis, but so are many other families; but more importantly our own country is in crisis and the future of our planet hangs in the balance. This election should not be about Pro Choice. Why does politics involve themselves in personal &/or religious views? Doesn't the Constitution grant us freedom of speech and religion? Someone's personal CHOICE is just that. Who are we to judge anyone else?..."Those without sin, may cast the first stone"...The issue of a female breaking some glass ceiling, or even electing the first black (or half black) President, is NOT reason to vote in this election. It is about getting the U.S.A.'s reputation back in good standing, it's about keeping our military strong yet safe and allowing them to fight terrorism where the terrorists are hiding, It's about saving starving children and ending human atrocities in the world. It should be about finding cures for horrendeous diseases such as AIDS and cancer and promoting stem-cell research which can benefit mankind...Why is it that the Europeans get it? They favor Obama and so do I.Simply educate yourself on the important issues. Listen to both sides. When you open your eyes, ears and hearts to the real issues staring us in the face, your choice will be clear..Obama is the answer.

Posted by: MILLIE IN GA | September 2, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

If you take a good look at the Republicans who are justifying and supporting Sara she just might be the best Republican for VP!

If you are going to have 5 children YOU SHOULD PARENT THEM! Obviously, parenting isn't going on instead this women is gone promoting her career and own interests.

It's either have a big family or a career!

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT THE COUNTRY AND THE MESS BUSH HAS GOTTEN US INTO.

Katrina
Bank Crisis
Energy Crisis
Housing Crisis
High Unemployment
Low economic grow
A very expensive occupation/war
A weak dollar
A huge nation debit

Great job Bush and Republicans! Nazis

Eight is enough!

I am independent

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

No eight years is not enough of:

Security
Freedom
Prosperity

We need another eight and dimokrauts are not the solution only part of the problem.

Posted by: Minuteman | September 2, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

Obama wants to abort the USA

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

MR. ROBINSON you should leave the picture of your Black face off your future articles. I have never, never seen a NEGATIVE comment toward any other WRITER of a Washington Post article!!!

Posted by: Houston | September 2, 2008 1:38 AM | Report abuse

Thank You, Mr. Robinson for putting it like it is.
It's not about her daughter, it's about the decision to drag it out right here right now, at the start of the convention, or to accept the nomination knowing .Plain and simple, What the heck was she thinking???And what the heck was McCain thinking picking her to run???
Some have speculated it was a forced decision from the Moral Majority of old school GOP leaders, but who would fess up to this.McCain will have to accept responsibility, more than just saying "yeah, I knew" and then changing the subject.
You could tell all week last week his campaign was digging for the next Press getter, but did they really need to get This kind of press???
Either way, it is getting them attention, stealing the spotlight from Obama/ Biden for now, but WOW what a way to do it.Maybe ol'e Johnny boy shoulda just kicked a nun, or wrung his wifes other arm, thad woud get press!!!

Posted by: Mullett | September 2, 2008 1:38 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to point out that had McCain chose God as his running mate then everything would be solved.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:38 AM | Report abuse

Ok, Barack, whatta ya got in your hand?

A Biden? That's it.

Okay, I'll see your Biden, and I'll raise you a Palin.

What you getting mad about?

I did NOT have the Palin up my sleeve.

Sore loser!

*** WHERE'S BARRY'S BOUNCE? ***

Posted by: Jindal-Pawlenty | September 2, 2008 1:38 AM | Report abuse

It is possible that Gov. Palin is a fully authentic pro-life advocate and realized that the public example her daughter will give by choosing life will save other lives of newly concieved children all over the world.

This is uncharted territory for politics. We appear to have a very new type candidate here. She may be shooting from the hip, but doing it with her mind and her heart. Time will tell. No, I have not voted for a Republican candidate for president since first voting for LBJ. I have been a strong Obama supporter, pained by his lack of a pro-life understanding, his only failing in my opinion.

I will have to see what happens here.

Posted by: Bill Betzen | September 2, 2008 1:38 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line though with there being a good chance that McCain will not make it through his term because a) he is 73 years old and b) he's been diagnosed with a serious disease more than once, would you want Sarah Palin as the leader of our country?

Anyone that says "yes" is out of their freakin mind.

Posted by: E Moore | September 2, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

All I'm hearing from Republicans is "please stop , stop it already." I'm not sure they're really talking about the alleged attacks on the daughter but more about the truth about Palin and McCain's judgement that seems to reveal something new every hour. There's nothing they can do except call everyone that disagrees with them liberals and knock Obama, which is the sane choice in this election as we're seeing.

Obama/Biden 08

Posted by: Joe the Vet | September 2, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

ABORT THE USA
VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Isn't great how the no-choice / abstinence only folks want to shame the non-conservatives as a pre-emptive measure? Where were you when the Faux News types were calling Mrs. Obama his baby-mama? Apparently the whole valley already knew Bristol was pregnant; her mother decided her ambition was more important than her daughter's privacy or her own parenting responsibilities. No wonder McCain likes her, she's as reckless as he is.

Also, these people need to stop congratulating themselves on choices they want to take away from other women. Though choosing to fly while you're leaking amniotic fluid? THAT should be illegal.

Posted by: Mo | September 2, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

This is the state of the most powerful country in the world. It's sad.

Posted by: Boson | September 2, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

McCain couldn't choose God as his running mate because God is heading the other ticket, right???

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

Where is the GOD ? Show me the GOD, or don't use GOD name to make all arguements.

Posted by: GGYY | September 2, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

Hey "Observer" - another freakin coward

what married couples do is non of your totally leaft-wing business.

If you were able to produce children, you would understand. But it is obvious from your invective that child-bearing is beyond yur ability.

Regards
Ron Breen
(notice that I do not hide behind some crap identity like 'Observer'

Posted by: Ron Breen | September 2, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin's ambitions appear to NOT include nurturing her children.
Placing a vulnerable pregnant teen under national scrutiny would also be an issue if the candidate were male.
McCain's abandoment of his first wife whose accident injuries were more extensive than his war injuries for a young heiress demonstrates a similar egocentric mind set.
Can either be trusted to have the integrity and respect, focus and innate intelligence to lead our country? to keep promises made to the Nation? to the World?
My response is NO which will be reflected in my vote. My husband concurs.
These Republican Candidates do NOT share our family values.

Posted by: Concerned Mother with Career | September 2, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

good lord, i've just discovered what this blogging really means, vomiting... in type form...

do you all feel better????

god save the queen, i mean god save us all... from ourselves.

Posted by: dorothy t | September 2, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

As far as Obama's post-convention bounce goes, he got it!

"Gallup's first tracking report based entirely on post-Democratic convention attitudes shows Barack Obama maintaining a six percentage point lead over John McCain, the same as Sunday's report. According to interviews conducted Aug. 29-31, national registered voters prefer Obama 49% to 43%."

www.gallup.com/poll/109954/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Maintains-6Point-Lead-49-43.aspx

They were in a dead heat prior to the convention!

Posted by: Elise | September 2, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Where is God . . .?
Lord Obama Messiah is God . . . at least to his adoring cult members.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

McCain's campain can only make so many mistakes before it's impossible to recover. Forgetting how many houses you own. Your chief financial advisor calling Americans whiners. Now a failed VP pick -she'll never make it through the week.

Posted by: rjinsd | September 2, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Beauty Queen yesterday and Vice President today!

This women is a want-to-be!

That's fine as Mayor or Governor of nowhere.

NOW IT IS AT THE COST OF THE COUNTRY!
THAT'S NOT OK!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

I really think now that Palin was picked because NOBODY else wanted the job!!

Secondly, just imagine a veep like her going to a high school and commending all the impregnated hoes in there. Wow.

Posted by: Dingbat | September 2, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

I find it interesting that this is even a topic. Sarah Palin is human, just like the rest of us. Every parent tries very hard to instill in their children ideals and morals that will see the child through to eventually grow up into a productive member of society. Well, good parents do and those seem few and far between. There is no guarantee that what you try to teach will be taken to heart. The very young often do not listen. You can't chain your children in their rooms to protect them from all the mistakes they will make, no matter how painful it might be for you to see them make them. Likewise, a parent can't cease aspiring to their own goals either. Bristol, like all of us, must live with the decisions she has made and will make in the future. Sarah can only decide to either love her children unconditionally or she can turn her back on them. Choosing to go forward as a Vice-Presidential candidate while her daughter is pregnant shows courage in the face of your taunts. The shame is not Bristol's or Sarah's. The shame belongs to all those that demand picture-book perfect lives from their leaders, when they themselves can't manage to get their own children to behave. Those that can "do" and those that can't ridicule those that try.

None of you really care about Bristol. She is just a tool to you. You need a reason to hate. You just need to feel justified in despising the "other side." Democrat or Republican, it makes no difference. Both camps are guilty of mudslinging.

The simple truth is Obama will not save you. McCain will not save you. Social programs and encounter groups will not save you. YOU have to decide to stand up on your own. Regardless of who wins the election, real life will go on. There will still be theft, extortion, murder, and rape taking place after the victory parties and teenage girls will still get pregnant regardless of what their parent's political affiliation is.

Posted by: Belpherion | September 2, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

I know some women are phenomenal, able to balance family, career and a husband. But I think this is a little ... dysfunctional? She has an infant, and her daughter will have one in a couple months - just in time for the campaign. What if McCain gets the flu reading on inaugural day?

Posted by: Hank Ratzesberger | September 2, 2008 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Excellent piece.

Posted by: anne | September 2, 2008 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Why do journalists and bloggers talk like Palin is some great unknown. Tried Google and Youtube lately? This lady has been all over Washington in their face, televised interviews out the wazoo and all over the world in politics. And OH! Her 17 year old daughter is pregnant? WOW, what a novelty! Bill Clinton is Still in litigation over his Monica Lewinski affair? May the Power of God crash the phoney journalist media worldwide and bring them to their voice recorder knees. Good Day:)

Posted by: Fred | September 2, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Show me the GOD !!

Posted by: GGYY | September 2, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Do you really think McCain knew about the pregnancy and went along with it? The path to the presidency is hard enough without having to inject a national debate regarding underage pregnancy, and the morality of such. Is seems Governor Palen has a number of family issues to pay attention to. Ask any family with five kids how hard it is. And I echo, why would she put her daughter through it? Her future grandchild? I hope they see the army of paparazzi' forever in their futures. I can see it now, when she's VP, or maybe by then she be President, and her daughter will be found partying with Paris Hilton and Brittany Spears. And how about that republican morality. Makes a little Oval Office hanky panky seem pretty insignificant. At least Monica never had a baby.

Posted by: merken7 | September 2, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Hey GGYY,

Here is something to think about:
IFF there is NO God then your own agnosticism is vindicated.

However, IFF there is a GOD, you are screwed!!!

50/50 - even odds ... Do you want to play?

Posted by: Ron Breen | September 2, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Intellectuals use armies of lawyers to bring about a Marxist state, history attests to this. How is Obama any different? He has all the signs that this is his ambition.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

btw, I'm also from Alaska and I agree with Ken, the real issue here isn't her family's breeding habits, it's her history of reversing her positions after winning elections.

I may not support McCain for president but I think he's an honest and patriotic man. Palin on the other hand, has proven repeatedly in the state of Alaska that she can not be trusted.

Hopefully the rest of America will wake up to this fact before the election.

Posted by: Elise | September 2, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

The poor judgement on McCain's part is astounding. If he really did know about this I'd be very surprised. This article in the NY times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/02vetting.html?ref=us) frames the vetting process - or lack thereof - very well. Basically there was almost none. It was a last minute, afterthought decision. McCain was forced to accept that he had to take risks in order to win. He rails against Obama for supposedly putting his own presidential aspirations ahead of his country and then he himself puts the entire country at risk for his own political reasons by choosing this neophyte whose supposed executive experience amounts to running a state the size of Texas but with the population the size of Austin. Palin whose only prior experience was mayor of a town of 6,500 citizens was elected on emotion not reason. In the process of trying to tie in both social conservatives and Hillary women in one fell swoop, McCain is putting his campaign, the country, and Palin's family through what is bound to be very hard on republicans, Americans, and the Palin family. It's clear who has the judgement to be elected president. Hint: It's not John McCain.

Posted by: Rick S. | September 2, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

It's not Palin doing something to her daughter, it's people like Robinson who want life to fit into some moral, legal frame that do something to a natural act of love and procreation and so contaminate that act with their immature minds.

Posted by: ninad | September 2, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

I'm a full-time working mother with a husband who travels 3 to 4 days a week. The reason this works...I'm a good mom, a good wife, and very supportive of my husband. Does this make my husband a bad father? I don't think so. It makes him a man who misses his child, but is doing what he thinks is right.

Why isn't anyone talking about the amazing role that the father/husband has played. I see more and more women becoming the head of the household with fathers who make this possible. If the father agrees to be the primary care giver and she's also a good working mother, why is this any different if she were a man? Personally, I couldn't do it, however, I'm not faced with an opportunity to shape the direction of our world. If I were, I probably would have accepted the nomination too.


Posted by: Michele | September 2, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

None of you are going to vote for her or JM anyway. Just Hot air in here!

Sour grapes because Palin is taking the spotlight off your little media darling!

All of this, all of it doesn't change the fact that Barry isn't ready to be President, and hangs out with criminals and racists.

He had a chance to do the right thing and choose a women (any women I might add) and still chose a Washington insider.

You guys will stoop to anything, and everyone realizes it now.

Democratic voters like you actually took a 100 percent certainty of there being a Democrat in office and allowed it to become a tasteless, classless circus.

Want some advice, vote Dean out. He is an albatross around your necks.

Better luck next time.

Posted by: Palinmania | September 2, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

What's Barack got?

Well ...

*** Stadiums full --- just full --- of adoring fans.

*** The media --- with exception of Fox News --- in his hip pocket.

*** Money. Lots of money. More money that Cindy McCain and Mitt Romney put together.

*** Looks. Oooooo, he's so dreamy.

*** Education. Ivy League, too.

*** A certain demographic ALL locked up. If you are in that demographic, you know who you are. If you are not sure, do't ask --- I'm not allowed to say.

*** Big, shiny teeth.

*** Scarlett Johannsen's e-mail address.

*** Caroline Kennedy's endorsement.

*** Chris Matthew's undying love (and shivering leg ... who knows, maybe both legs, by now).

*** BUT NO FRIGGIN' BOUNCE IN THE POLLS!!!

Too bad, so sad.

Posted by: Jindal-Pawlenty | September 2, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

Eugene,

So kind of you to be concerned about the daughter of "far right" Sarah Palin.

Your act is getting a bit old, but I guess you're only doing what a shill is supposed to do.

Posted by: John D | September 2, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

GGYY . . . if you're a liberal then just turn on your TV and God Obama is on there constantly and you can see him.

If you're not a liberal and want to see God then you need to do a little more work, start with prayer and go from there.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Before I address the issue at hand I would like to ask one question. What is the issue teaching abstinence? If abstinence education is failing then it is because of the way that it is being taught, not in the fact that it is not a good thing. Do we really believe that our children are not intelligent enough or cannot control themselves enough to decide that abstinence is a good thing? If this is the case then we need to revisit what we are teaching our children.

As for Palin, I am disappointed in McCain for picking her mostly because it looked like he would do anything to win the election. He brought in an unknown with almost no experience because she was a woman and an evangelical.

Truly, I am more dissapointed in the way he has run this campaign

It seems that this election has become a joke to him.

His ads were full of untruths and stupidity. The ad "The One" which truly offended me by giving the impression that he thought that my firmly held belief in end time prophecy was something to joke about - and I could tell he sought to scare those who were unfamiliar with prophecy by using veiled references to the Left Behind Series which although is based on prophecy is a fiction work.

His lack of clarification on his stand on any issue is unbelieveable. I teach, so my students are gathering information concerning the candidates stances on the issues. All we can come up with are general comments and pretty language. I mean, what is he actually going to do?

Also his lack of clarification on his beliefs. For those who are voting for him because they think Christian are "supposed to" have you even heard him detail what he believes or has he been just told what to say to get the "evangelical vote"? Does he really care about the nation or is he just trying to score a win for his party? I need to know is he sincere. I don't see it.

Just for the record, I am an evangelical. My church is a teaching church which actually has its own bible college so we actually learn end-time prophecy in addition to a lot of other Biblical information. People assume that we automatically vote republican but that is really not the case. Sometimes things seem on the outside to be a certain way but God looks on the heart..to the motives and intents of an action. I am not seeing him, just political maneuvering. Especially with the Palin choice.

I am not so concerned with Palin's daughter being pregnant...I am more concerned with McCain's judgment.

Posted by: CWJ | September 2, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Mr Robinson
i do belive the star or the enquirer has an opening. They believe in any story that excites people or causes conflict is a good story
Do you by any chance ghost write there??
Or do you just use thier example in your
column.
I read your article often, I expected better than this
Jim

Posted by: chicagojim | September 2, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin accepted the VP nomination knowing her daughter was pregnant, and knowing full well it would become a public story. SHE made it a story, not the media or the public.

I think the biggest issue regarding the pregnancy is what it says about McCain's judgement and the vetting process that did, or did not, happen. It says that this was a reckless, impulsive decision - not qualities I want in my President.

And can you just imagine the uproar from Republicans and the Focus on the Family types if this had happened to a Democratic VP candidate?

Posted by: Tanya | September 2, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

There is a time when argumenting becomes pointless,so to all the "good Americans" out there,just a few words,since you seem to be familiar with something called : computer; you know this thing invented by the same crazy people that claim that the world has been around for million of years( how crazy is that ???) well just type: Webster dictionary and when you get there just type 3 words: hypocrisy,delusional and pathetic; all your questions will be answered (by the way my daughter knew them when she was 6,so you see hope is still there...) Good luck..you're gonna need a lot of it....By the way I will change my screen name for: "am I really awake".So long.

Posted by: lucatmiami | September 2, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

abortion is murder? then what is war?
I'm sure all those anti-abortion people supported the war for iraq. LMFAO.
the hypocrisy doesn't end!

Posted by: abortthis | September 2, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

To the Washinton Post, to Mr. Robinson and all of the socialist demos posting their views in this columm.......U are a bunch of idiots. VIVA MCCAIN/PALIN

Posted by: garufa | September 2, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

Sarah's daughter knew her mother was a public figure and that she was "high profile" when she got herself pregnant.

She needs to own that decision and it sounds like she has.

Posted by: David | September 2, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

In Alaska, age of consent is 16. Prior to the age of 16, the age difference cannot be greater than 36 months between the consenting parties.

I am a democrat that did not vote for Governor Palin. I even campaigned against her and in support of her democrat opponent. Despite this, I am glad to say that today, I am very grateful that Governor Palin was elected. I would encourage everyone to look at what she has done for Alaska since entering office and to evaluate where she stands on the important issues in this election. Her approval rating is 80% for good reason.

Posted by: KC | September 2, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

NOT everyone believes in GOD, Ron.

Posted by: GGYY | September 2, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Wow!
Palin is the first REAL PERSON to run for high office in a long long time (first since Harry Truman who once ran a hat store)....everyone seems to be missing the fact that this is true democracy at work and it is beautiful thing to behold. Omaba and his wife are elitest overpaid lawyers just like the Clintons...I want a leader who can relate to everyday family issues and with Palin I think we've got one--a child with Downs, pregnant daughter, annoying trooper brother-in-law I say tell me more--if I find out her husband likes to drink beer and fall asleep on the sofa watching NFL football she could end being a future president! beautiful! She is someone who could live next door to any one of us and that feeling within us all will greatly help her ticket win in November.

Posted by: Tom Wilson | September 2, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Jindal-Pawlenty, do you think if you keep typing No Bounce in the Polls, it will suddenly be true?

It's NOT true, he initially had an 8 point bounce until the Palin announcement/start of Republican convention, now it's reduced to a 6 point bounce.

SHUT UP NOW PLEASE!

http://www.gallup.com/tag/Gallup%2bDaily.aspx

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

You pro-lifers really can take any absurdity to some religious righteousness.Its amazing, and truly sickening.Keep repeating your lies, affirmations to the obvious smoke and mirror game the McCain camp is playing(trust me, it aint over yet) because you all know you have a looser running for your party.They called Mit, Ron Paul, all the others and said " keep your money till next election,well have Johnny take a fall" and then pushed Palin in because she is a thorn in the establishments side.McCains own camp has been built around him, and he doesnt even know he's being fed to the wolve's like a piece of meat.

Posted by: Wow | September 2, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

Eugene. So it is Sarah Palin's fault that you are seemingly unable to focus on an actual journalistic endeavor and instead feel the incessant need to publicly comment on people's private matters?

Posted by: Wow, just wow! | September 2, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

If the press were really so concerned about Palin's daughter being under the spotlight, they would choose to ignore the whole thing. But no. It is they who are scrutinizing and probing and doing all of the above to this young girl -- not Palin.

Posted by: Carol | September 2, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

By the way I checked with Robinson and he swore to me that he didn't get the girl pregnant......sorry.

Posted by: lucatmiami | September 2, 2008 1:52 AM | Report abuse

I think the bottom line is that Sarah Palin thrives on competition, is driven by hercompetitiveness, and nothing, and no one, no circumstance, was going to stand in the way of this opportunity. She and Todd (another competitor), will figure out the details and clean up the messes later. In the meantime, the challenge and winning is all that matter.

Posted by: Kathleen Hussein in Maine | September 2, 2008 1:52 AM | Report abuse

I am not so sure I understand why the community should make this an issue. People fall in love, life happens... she chose to have a child and get married. Yes, she's 17... perhaps by some standards is unacceptable, yet for others... they can very well accept changes to their lives with open arms.

I suppose that there are some who sees life as half full and others as half empty. For those who sees this as such a BAD thing... hold on tight... life throws us MANY more curve balls. It's those who takes hardship head-on should be celebrated. As strength comes with endurance and courage, even in the face of un-accepting culture.

To wake up and be able to look at yourself in the mirror everyday and not hide, is ABSOLUTELY something we should teach our youth. B/c life is too difficult...

When you get knocked down... it's how you get up that matters. So are you a glass half full person or glass half empty person?

That's a question the gloom and doom person should ask themselves and re-evaluate their life.

Posted by: Kim | September 2, 2008 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Senator Obama is correct, that a candidate's family should not be a factor in a political race. However, conservatives (and that is almost always equivalent to Republicans) have campaigned for the last few decades on "Family Values" - so that makes the candidate's family fair game. Practice what you preach. Too bad that the conservatives are the ones who are (a) trying to pick up same-gender congressional pages, (b) being arrested for toilet sex in the Minneapolis airport, or (c) men of the cloth sleeping with same-gender prostitutes. If they want to run on that values platform, then they and their family life are up for scrutiny.

Posted by: DavidB | September 2, 2008 1:53 AM | Report abuse

Boy, the columnist sure is reaching on this one. The daughter made a mistake, and chose to live up to the responsibilities that came from that mistake. So now, according to you, the mother is honor-bound to try to hide her daughter's imperfection?! Huh? That makes no logical sense.

Mature people live in the real world. We aren't trying to hide from the fact that, say, I'm a little obese and need to shed a few pounds. We aren't hiding from the fact that we have certain weaknesses and have made certain mistakes. Instead, we embrace them! Such knowledge helps us to empathize with others. We can show more mercy and grace toward others -- since we realize we're ALL imperfect on this globe.

You can try to make political hay out of this, as the columnist has done. He is the one who chooses to use Bristol Palin to hurt John McCain. Why? Out of blind allegiance to someone with even LESS experience governing than Palin. Barack Obama has only governed his family, if that -- and he's at the TOP of the ticket!

In choosing to attack the McCain ticket over this, you compromise your own morals -- Palin didn't compromise hers.

Posted by: DP | September 2, 2008 1:53 AM | Report abuse

How do you spell shill?

E-u-g-e-n-e.

Sad thing is, he's not one bit ashamed of it.

Still, Obama has no bounce!!! (Guess your shilling skills are not up to snuff, Eugene).

P. S. To the 'political scientist' above who thinks Obama got a bounce in the polls. Go to Realclearpolitics.com. If you think the numbers you see there are a bounce of Obama, this is your first political trip around the block. And when Barack loses, I suspect it will be your last. Thanks for making it interesting this time, though!

Posted by: Jindal-Pawlenty | September 2, 2008 1:53 AM | Report abuse

Forge the election, let's just have a beauty contest.

Barack vs Palin . . . who gets your vote?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:53 AM | Report abuse

For the record.

Palin was the mayor of a city about the size of some high schools (5,400) not the 9,000 plus that is being reported and she left it with a longterm debt.

Her daughter was 16 when she got pregnant, why not report the news correctly - oh that is because it is controlled by the repubs.

Posted by: steveyb | September 2, 2008 1:54 AM | Report abuse

Sexist indeed!! What about John Edwards? Ran for office while wife was dealing with Cancer? So what if Palin is pro abstinence, I mean life happens; maybe this will make her understand the complexity of the issue better. I got to say seems this woman is about to get the Hillary treatment by the media just much more intense. It is disgusting to see media types rob Americans of the opportunity to hear her, get to know her as she is picked apart piece by piece by the media and judgmental intolerant people.

Here is a good one: What about members of the armed forces who VOLUNTEER to serve knowing they will be sent to war while they have wives and kids at home?
I am disgusted at the sexist stuff and how permissible it is to knock hard working women.

Posted by: Lola | September 2, 2008 1:54 AM | Report abuse

I dont understand why this whole episode is a story altogether. This is about her daughter. How does that reflect on the candidate herself? Shes not the one pregnant. I dont recall Roger clinton being an issue. What really bothers me, is the democrats trying to make a story of a non story when they have what to hide. When bill Clinton ran for President and the whole Genifer Flowers story came out, that was a story about him personally that reflects on his own morals. Yet the democrats had no problem electing him, despite all the financial and sex scandals, he was still elected to a second term. I find it hypoctrical to the extreme, when a candidate has to defend herself for what her daughter of 17 years of age has done. Or for that sake to have to defend herself for a dui conviction that her husband got over 20 years ago. By the way both clinton and obama have admitted to drugs in their youth, (last i checked that was and is a crime) and both of them have dismissed those facts, as merely youthful indiscretions. They have some nerve of raising her husbands dui, or her 17 year old's pregnancy as an issue at all. Shame on them. I can only conclude, that Palins candidacy as VP has them all running scared. They never dreamt that the Republicans would beat them to the punch and nominate a decent women to serve as VP, with no baggage, unlike Hillary, therefore , they resort to creating some type of fantasy baggage of their own.

Posted by: objective voter | September 2, 2008 1:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm a Republican, but I'm not comfortable with Sarah. Her personal life is just too messy at this point in time, even though she may be well qualified for the position given her administrative experience as Governor. I also question how her ambitions may have collided with her daughters need for a calm family life at this point in time.
He should have chosen someone who had all their ducks in a row, someone who's life is more in order and would not raise issues that distract from the objective - which is to be elected. Sarah had better be worth the all of the risk and hassle or this maverick may have just gotten shot in the foot by his own gun.

Posted by: Rich | September 2, 2008 1:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Kathleen Hussein in Maine | September 2, 2008 1:52 AM
"I think the bottom line is that Sarah Palin thrives on competition, is driven by hercompetitiveness, and nothing, and no one, no circumstance, was going to stand in the way of this opportunity. She and Todd (another competitor), will figure out the details and clean up the messes later. In the meantime, the challenge and winning is all that matter."
==========
Good take, probably right on the money, most successful people are that way, for better or worse.


Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:56 AM | Report abuse

Look - the truth is that the girl is pregnant and unmarried, and her mother is a Republican!

When was the last time you EVER heard of a Democratic candidate's daughter being pregnant and unmarried?

But of course that's because they murder their unborn children........

Young, unmarried, and pregnant - sounds to me like a description of a very large part of the Democrat voting demographic.

Posted by: fred | September 2, 2008 1:56 AM | Report abuse

I'm voting for Palin because she's a hottie.
Come on. Thats the real reason McCain chose her. This is a hotties only ticket. Mrs. McCain, Mrs. Palin, now all they need is Paris Hilton to go on stage and say "thats hot".

Posted by: palinishot | September 2, 2008 1:56 AM | Report abuse

Jindal-Pawlenty, I happen to know a lot about politics and polling in general. A bounce in the polls is expected after a big convention, and we were NOT disappointed.

Gallup is the most trusted polling organization in the nation, and if they show an EIGHT POINT BOUNCE in obama's post convention numbers, I think I'll believe them over your little right-wing website. But thanks for playing.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse

I know for sure Sen. McCain is sure getting my vote for the next president of the United States. He couldn't have picked a better person for his running mate. I think people should quit finding her faults and quit helping to spread negative remarks about her family. If you believe in prayer as I do, then start praying that the right people will get elected to the highest office in the USA.

Posted by: sally | September 2, 2008 1:58 AM | Report abuse

Dear Eugene,

Are all of your readers first-time observers of presidential politics?

Some actually seem to believe that Obama being up by --- hold on to your seat, now --- eight points is a big, old bounce.

Sheesh. I gotta get outta here. You draw a low-class crowd.

*** HE SHOULDA GOTTA BOUNCE ... BUT HE RAN INTO A HURRICANE NAMED, P-A-L-I-N ***

Too bad, so sad.

Posted by: Jindal-Pawlenty | September 2, 2008 1:58 AM | Report abuse

re to garufa: you inspire us all, thank's a lot, you should still think twice before quitting your day job...

Posted by: lucatmiami | September 2, 2008 1:58 AM | Report abuse

BTW, Gene - did you ever hear of Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea Clinton?

There's always a job waiting for you at Entertainment Tonight!

Posted by: fred | September 2, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

I wished our serious journalists would stop falling for the soap opera intrigue and the gender of this candidate (which appears to be a gimmick cooked up by McCain to give his lackluster campaign a boost) and concentrate on her positions on issues to establish two things. 1) What does this choice tell us about McCain as a president? 2) Is she ready to be the commander in chief in the likely event that McCain dies in office or incapacitated? This seems to give McCain’s favorite and idiotic line, putting country first, a completely new meaning. I am sure McCain chose Sarah among all the qualified female republicans (Olympia Snow anyone?) to put his country first!

Posted by: Ben | September 2, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

What kind of mother decides to "ride on the coat-tails of her mentally challenged infant", using it as a PRO CHOICE issue in a presidental election? Many mothers CHOOSE to keep their deficient children and actually "MOTHER" them to become happy and well adjusted; many surpassing their expectations...How in the world can Palin's child benefit from his mother working a 24/7/365 day job for the first 4 yrs of his life? In my opinion, it is poor judgement on her part and even a worse decision for McCain. If Palin is looking for a gold medal for mothering, she has already blown it by not educating her teenage daughter and setting high expectations for her during her formative years.It is not too late for McCain to change his mind; the RNC is about to begin...Maybe they both should get out while the getting is good..Political suicide is in the making.

Posted by: Retired RN | September 2, 2008 2:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: fred | September 2, 2008 1:56 AM
"Look - the truth is that the girl is pregnant and unmarried, and her mother is a Republican!

When was the last time you EVER heard of a Democratic candidate's daughter being pregnant and unmarried?

But of course that's because they murder their unborn children........

Young, unmarried, and pregnant - sounds to me like a description of a very large part of the Democrat voting demographic."

WOW, now that was a bulls eye LOL! Rack em!


Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 2:00 AM | Report abuse

Shallow Green, I wouldn't worry too much about Obama's daughters getting pregnant. If one chose to get pregnant, he would not "punish them with a baby". He would allow a doctor to ram a vacuum into the baby's skull and suck the baby's brains out. Yes. That's what partial birth abortion is. Go learn about it. If you support it in any form you may as well be a murderer yourself.

Sarah Palin's daughter made a choice to have sex. With that choice comes natural consequences. There is no choice after the baby is conceived. You're a murderer if you abort. That's the truth of it. Go ahead and get mad. The truth hurts doesn't it!

Posted by: Sin is an ObamaNation | September 2, 2008 2:00 AM | Report abuse

By the way, for all of you that are convinced that Sarah Palin will force her moral beliefs on you.....In Alaska, abortion is legal, the death penalty does not exist, and homosexuals can foster and adopt children. I have never heard that Sarah Palin was out campaigning to change these things. She is focused on doing what she was elected to do.

Posted by: KC | September 2, 2008 2:01 AM | Report abuse

Why's Barack kneeling over there? He certainly seems to be a religious man.

He's praying? Can you hear what he's saying?

Oh, I see. He's thankful that he's only gonna get beat by four points, insteading being humiliated by a Jindal-Pawlenty ticket.

*** THE BIG SPEECH GIVER GOT NO BOUNCE ***

Posted by: Jindal-Pawlenty | September 2, 2008 2:01 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Robinson,

I have only one answer for you. I watched Mr. Obama's speech in awe. It was one of the finest, and most thoughtful, speeches in the current political era. I watched Mr. McCain announce his running mate with equal excitement. I have four children. My wife was a young mother. I have watched you heartless, mongrel ultra-leftists pretending concern for this girl all day while using her to gain political capital. As a person who has voted Rep. and Dem. in past years, I wanted to hope this election could live up to Mr. Obama's promise of a different type of dialogue. Today, I have witnessed the worst kind of witch trial I have ever seen, perhaps taking precedence over Obama's speech as a political event. People have insinuated that people who have children young are uneducated, that parents who work out of the home are inferior, that women in office must be there as some sort of secretary bimbo, and that an innocent infant is the part of a hideous plot. I have learned once and for all what the American left really is: eugenics, sexism, elitism. And you may bet your pandering tush, sir, that this election my vote is going to Mr. McCain, purely to see you sickos go down.

Posted by: One Answer | September 2, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

"I'm voting for Palin because she's a hottie.
Come on. Thats the real reason McCain chose her. This is a hotties only ticket. Mrs. McCain, Mrs. Palin, now all they need is Paris Hilton to go on stage and say "thats hot".

Posted by: palinishot | September 2, 2008 1:56 AM "

She's already said that about Obama....

Posted by: fwed | September 2, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

Why don't you ask that question of Obama and Michelle??? Are they being good parents by taking their teenage daughters and expose them to the intense media lights? Should they be better parents and not run for such a demanding office and focus on raising good kids??

Leave this people alone and tend to your own families. Diappointing that African Americans can take such prejudicial attitudes toward women!! Shouldn't you lead by example when it comes to tolerance??

Posted by: Lola | September 2, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

Google "Levi Johnston" or "Bristol Palins Boyfriend".... Wholy they are rednecks...
There are pictures of guns, drinking, and what seems like a sleepover... This is to good... Serves you right out there right wind nut jobs... dont ever tell us how to raise our kids or whats right. drag people of color through the mud.. Whats our choice is ours not yours..Its also our choice to show the world your white trash

Posted by: exposed | September 2, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

Robinson,

Someone is spoofing me. I personally would NEVER make a negative remark about President Reagan... yet one appears under my "credential".

This venue is totally unreliable and at its present configuration, it is a home for cowards, left-wing liberals and just plain low-lifes ... to abuse the open-forum venue with no accountability.

So, Robinson, if you want your venue to survive as a legitimate forum for debat, U need to find a way to keep spoofers at bay.

Regards

Ron Breen

Posted by: Ron Breen - no Really Ron Breen | September 2, 2008 2:03 AM | Report abuse

CWJ,

You need to get away from that school, and away from this idea someone prphecised what you preach.
Do you beleive in God, or are you following the words of a heretic who lived several hundred years after the Jew who called himself Jesus was laid to rest??
We read a Bible and say we are reading the Word of God?? God should smite all who beleive like you or like any "good christian" if you read and follow the beleifs of your good book.And its not some distant prophecy, Gods judgement will be swift and sharp!!

Posted by: Mullett | September 2, 2008 2:03 AM | Report abuse

This just shows McCain's incompetence.

His choice for a running mate:

1.) Someone who is involved in trooper gate.
2.) Has an unwed/pregnant daughter.
3.) Lied about something called the Bridge to Nowhere.
4.) Is a reptilian alien pretending to be a human.
5.) Has a husband who is a convicted drunk driver.
6.) Is a Republican.
7.) Is governor of a state most of us can't even pronounce.

Posted by: McSame = Bad Judgement | September 2, 2008 2:03 AM | Report abuse

Jindal-Pawlenty, who is the neophyte? McCain's campaign spinned it that he should get a 15 point bounce even though every pundit on the right AND left said that was crazy overestimation.

That is political spin 101. Raise impossible expectations so that when the candidate gets a large BOUNCE it doesn't look as impressive because everyone was expecting it to be bigger.

We are not idiots sir (or Madame)
too bad, so sad.
I'm out!
Won't debate with sub-par intellects.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 2:04 AM | Report abuse

Bristol was already going to be in the spotlight. Her mother was the Governor of Alaska. Public scrutiny was just around the corner anyway. From what I currently can tell about Palin...she just glows with family values. And for all I know, she taught her daughter these same values. This nation will soon have the chance to hear her voice--and hear the family values she holds dear to her heart (I'm assuming they are similar to mine and many others). I'm betting some of those that hear her voice might get pregnant, drive drunk, get divorced, etc...I'm just saying...I'm not going to blame Palin for her daughter's actions. Parents can only do so much. Bristol knew her actions could put her in the spotlight (granted not a nation scale...but she knew)...Her mother's career should not be jeopardized for her actions (I would hope none of our careers would if we are being good parents).

Posted by: McCain_Palin | September 2, 2008 2:05 AM | Report abuse

all you whiners who say abortion is murder. what about war?
what about the death penalty?
what about suicide? is suicide murder?

Posted by: anonymous | September 2, 2008 2:05 AM | Report abuse

Leaving children of any political candidate alone is of course the absolutely right thing to do.

What is thoroughly appropriate to do, however, is to publicly discuss Sarah Palin's behavior as a self-professed fundamentalist Christian parent, related to her unwed teenage daughter's "fornication." ("Fornication" is a "candid" term fundamentalist Christians love to use to express their horror about extramarital sexual relations.)

There are ANY number of possibilities how self-professed "true Christian" Palin's unwed daughter might have engaged in "fornication." Maybe Sarah Palin and her husband were "too busy" with their own things and did not "have time" to instill well the Christian idea of premarital celibacy in their daughter. Maybe, Sarah is a hypocrite concerning her religious "beliefs." Maybe, she did try hard to instill her Christian values in her daughter, and yet the daughter engaged in "fornication." In that situation, if she has become wiser in understanding that touting "Christian values" such as premarital virginity is too simplistic, and if she has integrity, she needs to publicly acknowledge that. Otherwise, it would be fair for the press to probe if Sarah Palin is being hypocritical.

When a person publicly professes to be "religious" or, as in the case of McCain a "straight talker", the press must examine if the person's actions are congruous with the professed "quality." (McCain's "straight talk" has often been observed in the past year to be in shambles.)

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 2:05 AM | Report abuse

Beehived Beauty Queen
Dead polar bears
She’s not one of us

Posted by: Irem | September 2, 2008 2:05 AM | Report abuse

Its true they do seem to be on the redneck white trash side of things... nice family values up there in alaska... please teach my kids how to show off with guns get drunk and knocked up asap.... cant wait

Posted by: eric | September 2, 2008 2:05 AM | Report abuse

"A few weeks ago Gov. Palin didn't know what the VP does in the Whitehouse. Check out youtube, search her name and the video titled:

Sarah Palin: "What does a VP do?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oro2Yh9HoEM

Unbelievable!"

Posted by: lwa | September 2, 2008 12:29 AM


What does a VP do? Given that the President enjoyed 500+ vacation days in his term, and the VP's only formal task is to preside over the senate (a task routinely delegated except for the rare tie vote) which is out of session more than it is in session, I would say that most commenters and the author also don't know what the VP does. A VP term is one of the most ideal positions I can think of to take care of family business.

Historically VPs haven't done much of anything and anyone with a working knowledge of history would accept Palin's question (clearly in jest I might add)as legit.

Posted by: kevin h | September 2, 2008 2:05 AM | Report abuse

You can take the girl out of the trailer park but you can't take the trailer park out of the girl.

Posted by: trash | September 2, 2008 2:05 AM | Report abuse

What does a VP do?
For the last 8 years he's been running the country from behind close curtains.

Posted by: Veep | September 2, 2008 2:07 AM | Report abuse

Whether Palin winds up in Blair House or not this election, the Family will be forever under higher profile scrutiny (and rampant criticism) than ever before. As were Bush and Cheney Families as well as the prior occupants of these offices. Let's hope Joe Biden's family keeps the skeletons in the closet where they belong, at least until November.

Face it, politicians of both parties sacrifice their families every day in this country, sometimes for the good and oft times not. I hope the Palin family is as strong and supportive of each other as they seem, they will need that strength to fend off contrived criticism and judgement on their current circumstances in this bitter, biased and mean spirited column.

Posted by: parnassus | September 2, 2008 2:07 AM | Report abuse

Hmmmm ... Eugene ... it's bad ... this phobia you have is bad ... worse case I have ever seen.

Palin-phobia.

Cure?

Oh, there's no cure. It's just gonna get worse.

You'll be driven to distraction by ... say, ... November 4.

I think we may have to institutionalize you by January 22.

We'll get you a bed near Keith Olbermann.

Yeah, he's got it, too.

Matthews? Nah, he sublimates --- he's got this leg thing. *shrugs* Works for him.

Posted by: Jindal-Pawlenty | September 2, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

The post above me was made by a wierdo with too much time on his hands.

Posted by: me | September 2, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

i agree that she's someone who could "live next door", or even down the street. and i agree that others haven't had GROWN family members thrown at them at election time
so i propose several thing

1 lest all start drinking BILLY BEER

2 we can al start watching nfl, hockey,
nascar, or for the artsy, figure
skating

we can do this while eating JELLY BEAN, or maybe just eating peanuts
jim

Posted by: chicagojim | September 2, 2008 2:09 AM | Report abuse

How many of you posters would turn down the job of VP???

Best job in the country, great for your family . . . she's just doing what's best for her family.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 2:09 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Palin was for or against the war in Iraq.
Oh wait. War involves killing and killing is murder. And we all know she's pro-life so she must have voted against the war. Must have I say, must have.

Posted by: war | September 2, 2008 2:09 AM | Report abuse

Fred is right,you Liberals are just baby killers,at least the Republicans have the decency to wait until they turn 16 to kill them...shame,shame,shame.... (it's almost too easy to enjoy..sad is more accurate..)

Posted by: lucatmiami | September 2, 2008 2:09 AM | Report abuse

CWJ
To whom do you address your comments? There is no specificity in the 'you's that YOU (CWJ) address.

Regards
Ron Breen (ME)

Posted by: Ron Breen | September 2, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

Be realistic. The spotlight of national attention may be intense, but the media has a very short attention span.

Do you know the names of Tipper Gore's kids? How about Dick Cheney's?

How important is this issue to electing a president?

Posted by: Bob | September 2, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

Palin is doing whats best for her family.
Not whats best for her COUNTRY.

Posted by: ananymouse | September 2, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

It's not her qualification or her ability that's in question here. It's the judgment of her decision to accept a very challenging task in spite of her family situation. Where will she have time from busy campaign schedule to take care of her family with two needy children?

By the way if she can't control a teenage daughter with her Christian values, how will she perform on a national stage? However, if she thinks she is ready for the rigors of Washington dirty politics, it's her choice.

Posted by: Martin | September 2, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

"Trailer Park"

Yep, the leftists really do represent everyman, don't they?

My mother had me young, her mother had her young, and I just gave $300 to the McCain campaign because I have seen the light.

Posted by: TrailerPark | September 2, 2008 2:11 AM | Report abuse

When is the last time you wrote a story about black teenage pregancy rates being three times as high as that of whites Mr. Robinson? This isn't even a story. Additionaly many families have individuals that make sacrifices for this nation. My father served in Korea and Vietnam. I didn't like it but I'm ever so proud of my father for serving.

Posted by: Charlie Millard | September 2, 2008 2:11 AM | Report abuse

Palin is doing whats best for her family.
Not whats best for her COUNTRY.

Posted by: ananymouse | September 2, 2008 2:10 AM
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and that is precisely the principle why you don't see women as priests

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

This post was created by the most interesting, witty, insightful --- and most responded to --- poster here.

I'm just sayin'.

*** BTW, WHY DIDN'T BARACK GET A BOUNCE? GEEZ, DIDN'T ANYONE POLL THE 80,000? ***

What? We have a nation of 300 million ... ohhhhhhhh.

Posted by: Jindal-Palenty | September 2, 2008 2:14 AM | Report abuse

Trailerpark,
I'm sorry to hear you had to give a whole month's pay check to McCain. Don't worry. His tax rebates for the rich will help you.
Wait, you're poor. Nevermind.

Posted by: trash | September 2, 2008 2:14 AM | Report abuse

The father is a high school senior hockey player named Levi. It sounds like the Palin family is more like the average American family every day. Far from perfect but they stick together and push ahead while supporting each other.

Posted by: Jax | September 2, 2008 2:14 AM | Report abuse

It is Republican Hypocrisy. Conservative supporting the unwed teen pregnancy. Regardless Abortion issue.

You know if Obama, Biden or any other Democrat was in the same situation. The Religious Right and Conservative will go crazy over unwed Teen Pregnancy. They will preach biblical Lore.

Posted by: Hypocrite Doctor | September 2, 2008 2:15 AM | Report abuse

You dont see women as priests because all the male priests want the altar boys for themselves.

Posted by: fatherpriest | September 2, 2008 2:15 AM | Report abuse

The child is a reflection of the mother's (or parent's) teachings. It is absolutely okay to have concern for our elected officials when it is revealed that they can't control their own children.

Posted by: jjjerry | September 2, 2008 2:16 AM | Report abuse

"The father is a high school senior hockey player named Levi. It sounds like the Palin family is more like the average American family every day. Far from perfect but they stick together and push ahead while supporting each other."

There was a little too much sticking and pushing involved 5 months ago.
I can't wait for them to get a reality show on Fox.

Posted by: Levi | September 2, 2008 2:17 AM | Report abuse

The most recent CNN poll has Barack up by one point. Ah, but you know what right wing liars those CNN people are over there, right? Roland Martin and that crowd ... looney right-wingers, I tell you.

The Real Clear Politics average of the major polls has Barry (hey, I didn't say, Hussein!) up by 4.8%.

Whoa! You guys are bouncing a ball with no air in it.

Give it to Barry ... man, is that guy full of air.

Posted by: Jindal-Palwenty | September 2, 2008 2:18 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Sarah Palin's daughter has her own thoughts and beliefs....Maybe she doesn't share the same beliefs as her mother. If Sarah Palin were a man would people really be going on and on about him having too many family responsibilities and failing to prevent his daughter from becoming pregnant?

Since the current VP's daughter is gay, does that mean that he must be gay too?

Posted by: Kathy | September 2, 2008 2:18 AM | Report abuse

The major concern of the day should not be the private family question but the truthfulness (rather, lack of it) of what Palin said in Dayton about the bridge and earmarks. The only issue about the daughter is whether the Palins underestimated the scrutiny of a presidential race. There is a growing list of policy questions and ethical questions for Palin to answer that have nothing to do with her family but seem to reflect the same underestimate of the scrutiny VP candidates face.

Posted by: HarrisCo | September 2, 2008 2:19 AM | Report abuse

re to sally; it's wonderfull to beleive in prayers,some people pray when the house is on fire,and some call the fire department..good luck in praying anyway...

Posted by: lucatmiami | September 2, 2008 2:19 AM | Report abuse

Everyone who served overseas, raise Your right hand !

Everyone who stayed at home and enjoyed peace and tranquility - raise your left hand !!

The left hands have it !!! LOL


Kiss my grits - do you think that international diplomacy is a freakin GAME ??? There are nations out there that could put a nuclear weapon right in the middle of the USA and do it in a RAIL CAR or a semi-trailer travelling accross country form one of our ports of entry. If you think Immigration or the other agencies charged with governing incoming materials is effective ..... LOL .... ONLY if you are a US citizen travelling by air between US cities -- they can catch us ALLL -- but we are too stupid to evade the INS and HomelandSecurity (I guess that's HS)

So, travel around knowing that we are in security level advocado or tangerine.

Enjoy the last days of your life in complete oblivion. Big brother is watching you, but cannot save you.

Posted by: Ron Breen | September 2, 2008 2:20 AM | Report abuse

Listen, folks, here's a woman with a son headed for Iraq -- something that would unnerve most mothers -- now she has a four month old son with Downs Syndrome and on top of this a pregnant 17-year old daughter. One, may I repeat, ONE of these family matters is enough of a stressor for any working parent let alone THREE stressors involving children. And the mom is running for Vice President of the United States? Give me a break! I can't vote for this scenario. If I did I would be as foolish as the person who is running for office... McCain is off the ticket for me.

Posted by: Eynon | September 2, 2008 2:20 AM | Report abuse

"

Maybe Sarah Palin's daughter has her own thoughts and beliefs....Maybe she doesn't share the same beliefs as her mother. If Sarah Palin were a man would people really be going on and on about him having too many family responsibilities and failing to prevent his daughter from becoming pregnant?

Since the current VP's daughter is gay, does that mean that he must be gay too?"


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We all know it's a women's job to be taking care of kids ok?
And yes, I've seen our VP look at Rove in a funny way sometimes.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 2:20 AM | Report abuse

Her high school daughter's pregnancy throws a spotlight onto Palin's opposition to sex education. I feel sorry for her daughter, but as private as her personal life is, the debate about sex education vs. absintence education which her mother supports needs public debate. Of course this will be incredibly painful to their daughter. No decent father or mother would put their child through such an ordeal.

Posted by: Helen | September 2, 2008 2:22 AM | Report abuse

Why Jindal-Pawlenty?

Cause unlike the Democrat Party that is firing off its only bullet --- B. Hussein Obama --- this time around.

We are going to be around for a long, long time.

Palin
Romney
Barbour
Pawlenty
Jindal

I'll stop before I send you liberals into cardiac arrest.

*** BARRY SHOULDA HAD A BOUNCE ***

Posted by: Jindal-Pawlenty | September 2, 2008 2:22 AM | Report abuse

Her high school daughter's pregnancy throws a spotlight onto Palin's opposition to sex education. I feel sorry for her daughter, but as private as her personal life is, the debate about sex education vs. absintence education which her mother supports needs public debate. Of course this will be incredibly painful to their daughter. No decent father or mother would put their child through such an ordeal.

Posted by: Helen | September 2, 2008 2:22 AM | Report abuse

Where are all you 'abortion equals murder' people out there?
War is mass murder then. I don't see you out on the streets in anti-war demonstrations.

Posted by: lousyreps | September 2, 2008 2:23 AM | Report abuse

The days of The Scarlet Letter are past, and you are no Nathaniel Hawthorne. As a parent of two teenage daughters, I believe your comments show a complete lack of compassion and understanding. You are sounding more like Keith Olbermann of MSNBC everyday.

The Palin family should be commended for the way they are handling this matter. The only behavior that is out of line is yours.

Posted by: alance | September 2, 2008 2:24 AM | Report abuse

I keep finding references to the idea that Sarah Palin's daughter has "chosen" to keep the baby. That's what her mother said. But can one really believe that a seventeen-year old girl with a driven and ambitious mother who is fixated and rigid on a particular view of bringing a pregnancy to term, no matter what, has been allowed to exercise any choice at all in this matter?

Does anyone believe that a seventeen-year old girl with a driven and ambitious mother who is fixated and rigid on a particular view of aging, is actually seventeen, and has been told by her mother to NOT admit to being 23 because it would make her mother seem older?

I keep finding references to the idea that Sarah Palin's husband has "chosen" to be DUI. That's what his wife said. But can one really believe that a mixed-race man with a wife who is fixated and rigid on a particular view of bringing a life term for DUI, no matter what, has been allowed to exercise any choice at all in this matter?

These criminal "adjustments" will certainly bring co-gender responses to all who see life as half full and others as what Obama subjected his kids too, like a fish in a bowl directly beneath contempt.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 2:25 AM | Report abuse

lousyreps ...

do you think that question is original?

I don't have time tonight to educate you.

Go to college if you don't have ANY answers in your head.

Posted by: Jindal-Pawlenty | September 2, 2008 2:25 AM | Report abuse

Jjjerry said @ 2:16 "The child is a reflection of the mother's (or parent's) teachings. "... wow, so fortunate of you. I've seen perfectly wonderful parents w/troubled children... and I say, "life happens"... not always the case that the children is reflective of the parents.
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Levi said @2:17 AM "There was a little too much sticking and pushing involved 5 months ago. I can't wait for them to get a reality show on Fox." ........ This is a sad representative coming from the liberal side. And I know the liberals w/a soul and mind would agree w/my comment.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 2:25 AM | Report abuse

Alaska's schools teach sex education in middle school. I don't think that Sarah Palin has tried to prohibit this from occurring.

Posted by: Kathy | September 2, 2008 2:26 AM | Report abuse

Govenor Palin appears to lack the in depth experience generally expected of someone who will a heartbeat away from going toe-to-toe with Putin and the leaders of China, India, Brazil, Europe and elsewhere.

The complexity of her family situation does entitle the public to an explanation of how she will juggle all that is expected of her. Any candidate, regardless of party, should not be surprised by such a question.

Governor Palin will have the opportunity to address many issues. So will the other candidates. WE will be listening to all.

The public has the prerogative, for better or worse, to vet candidates to its own satisfaction. The candidate's ability to withstand such scrutiny is in itself a valid test.

Those who vote on party platform will generally not be swayed one way or another. Those who vote purely on personality are often disappointed.

A well educated and reflective electorate is the best way to assure America's future.

good luck to all.

Posted by: quo bono | September 2, 2008 2:27 AM | Report abuse

How can she take charge important issues when she doesn't have an ability to take charge her own daughter ?

Posted by: GGYY | September 2, 2008 2:27 AM | Report abuse

*** where is Obama's bounce? ***

McCain/Palin have it.

Ole John and Young Sarah absolutely have DOMINATED the news since Woodstock ended Thursday night.

LMAO

Posted by: Jindal-Pawlenty | September 2, 2008 2:27 AM | Report abuse

"The Palin family should be commended for the way they are handling this matter."

Yes, the Palin family should be commended for having an teenage unwed pregnant daughter.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 2:28 AM | Report abuse

Well Mr Robinson has gooten His way, and everyone is up in arms. I wonder if He is getting paid by CHARACTER, WORD, LINE OR INDIVIDUAL posts?, or if this is going into His resume for the star or enquirer
either way I'm off to bed, night all, and happy arguing

Posted by: chicagojim | September 2, 2008 2:29 AM | Report abuse

Today taught me that the far left is as bad as white supremacists, or any other hate group. Frothing, boiling hatred of what this girl supposedly represents for having a child young: lack of education, poor genes, trailer parks, people without judgement, irresponsibility, everything you would expect to hear from a murderous elitist. We can't all be PPDs (heard this one today: Peacoat, Prius, and Dog!!!). People who have families are the reason humanity goes on. Or perhaps that is the problem: the far left is so full of hatred for life that the war is ultimately against humanity itself. I am an indy, but for this election I will stand with Mr. McCain.

Posted by: Boulderite | September 2, 2008 2:29 AM | Report abuse

I think Gene's question might be better phrased "Do you think that the parent of an unwed, pregnant 17 year old should, because of that pregnancy, be disqualified from federal elective office?"

If Bristol were married, or if her father were running, would the question be asked at all? I doubt it.

Gene's question, and many of the comments displayed here, are blatantly sexist and amazingly hypocritical.

In 2005, 37% of all births in America, and an astounding 70% of black births, were to unwed mothers. (Source - CDC)

American liberalism has pushed for decades to have the stigma of illegitimacy lifted. And it has largely succeeded. But in THIS case, it seems, the unwed pregnancy is reason to condemn the prospective grandparents! What ever happened to "It Takes a Village"?

Unwed teen pregnancy is both a sociological issue, and a very personal issue for any family. But it certainly doesn't make the parents of all those unwed moms unfit. Nor does it mean those parents are not suited for demanding jobs.

I have to agree with a commentator I heard today: "Liberals are opposed to sexist attacks directed against liberal women".


Posted by: atrepos | September 2, 2008 2:29 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is using her pregnant daughter as a surrogate mother for the baby. She did not provide and still avoids the parenting and guidance that her children need. Her behavior begs the question of trust and values. McCain obviously has terrible judgement. Why vote for a "maverick" who is reckless, dishonest and desperate?

Posted by: Hockey Mom | September 2, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

Dominated the news doesn't mean that they will win.

Posted by: GGYY | September 2, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

"Alaska's schools teach sex education in middle school. I don't think that Sarah Palin has tried to prohibit this from occurring."

No. She believes in Intelligent Design. Who needs sex education when you can teach about the Immaculate Conception...or maybe it should be Contraception from now on.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

I wonder how we hear so much about Palin's daughter and nothing about Biden's son who got the job with one of the biggest credit card companies.

Posted by: Blo Veg | September 2, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

"why did Palin do this"

"why didn't Palin do that"

Very good. I can see you attentive little liberals are practicing your whining conscientiously.

You'll actually become very good at it.

2008-2016 is a loooooonnnnnng time for you to suffer through your McCain/Palin phobia.

Posted by: Jindal-Pawlenty | September 2, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

The issue for voters is not the very personal problems being faced by the Palin family. The real problem is that we don't know Palin at all, and apparently neither does McCain. His decision to go along with this candidate speaks worlds about McCain's poor judgment. Palin has not been thoroughly vetted and this is a serious error for McCain to have made. The Palin ploy is a hard shift to the extreme right of the Republican Party Is this the best they could do-- the lightweight, anti-choice, creationist, anti-environment, pro-oil candidate who won her limited fame on right-wing talk shows? In these uncertain times following 8 years of gross mismanagement by Bush/Cheney, Palin and McCain must be rejected if the United States of America is to retain its economic strength, and its self-respect in the world at large.

Posted by: jefflz | September 2, 2008 2:31 AM | Report abuse

Cartoons are coming on the tube,sorry Republicans and other people from the 16th century but they are (the cartoons of course..)smarter than what every piece of retarded crap you've been writting...have a wonderfull night...and how is the weather tonight in "lalaland"???

Posted by: lucatmiami | September 2, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

Did you Libruls know that Obama has farting contests with his kids! AND, he lights not only his, BUT THEIRS ALSO!

This really stinks!!!

Here he goes around the world condemning those who are fart(o the right)ing in PUBLIC, NO LESS!

What a hypocrite!!!!

And he says he's gonna stop Global Warming??

NOT LIKE THAT HE AIN'T !!!!

I'm gonna go read my Bible and hug my gun.

Posted by: tweety | September 2, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

actually, GGYY, it does

*** WHERE'S OBAMA'S BOUNCE ***

Up one point in the CNN poll. The Great ***** Hope is underperforming.

Yeah, I am politically correct tonight.

Posted by: Jindal-Pawlenty | September 2, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

What sort of cowardice encourages a journalist (and I use that term loosly), to make prominent the specific human condition of a candiadate's daugheter which is itself not of the candidates making?

Would all y'all like to talk about my p*e*n*i*s* ?? I DO NOT THINK SO!

Why then do U BOTHER with the ruting daughter of a governor of Alaska? (Well, there may be more to it than simply ruting, but that is none of my bseiness.?)

Can you not find SOMETHING politically worthy to discuss - say - like party platforms --- or party platform planks????

If you do not know what I am talking about, you should NOT be voting, now or in the future.

Posted by: Ron Breen | September 2, 2008 2:33 AM | Report abuse

"lousyreps ...
do you think that question is original?
I don't have time tonight to educate you.
Go to college if you don't have ANY answers in your head."

Yes, the exact type of answer I expected from you. Thank you for confirming it.

Posted by: lousyreps | September 2, 2008 2:33 AM | Report abuse

The pregnancy of Sarah Palin’s unwed daughter is not off-limits in discussions of Governor Palin’s fitness to become the Vice President of the United States.

Why? Because nobody's pregnancy is off-limits to Sarah Palin, even the victims of rape or incest.

Posted by: Mike Licht | September 2, 2008 2:35 AM | Report abuse

Let the young girl alone. Lets all pick on Barack Hussein Obama. He's the real villain, plus he's used to the abuse.

Posted by: SadAmerican | September 2, 2008 2:35 AM | Report abuse

Let's face it people. Republican are in trouble and they know it. Bush has sunk the country and its popularity in the world. It will take years if not decades to fix all the damages done.

What is really obvious is McCain is putting her upfront, so all the attention is on her. She could have kept her daughter pregnancy private (at least until November).
But she decided to put her daughter in the center of the media. Shame on her !!
I don't know what kind of mother she is. It seems her career is more important than her children.

By the way, being so active, how can she take care of her children?
Who does? Probably a nanny. Maybe 2. An handicap kid is a full time job.
Keeping a child with down syndrome. What does she expect?
That the kid becomes normal?

And to all of you who claim to be pro-life, you're not. You're Pro-American life!
What about Children dying in Africa? India? Do you care about them?
Have you even wondered if they suffer?
Have you ever wondered about kids who suffer in the world?
These kids who cry not because their mommy go to work but because they are starving and it hurts in their belly.

When i see these Fat Pro Life American eating food they don't need and children dying of starvation i just wonder myself if we're human.

And these Republican politician have you on a leach. Taxes and Religion. These are the 2 words you know.

Taxes: Well, they're rich and you're not. IN USA, the top 5% of wealthiest own 59 percent of all wealth. Or to put it another way, the top 5 percent had more wealth than the remaining 95 percent of the population, collectively.
So the top 5% of the richest people in USA have move wealth and 95% of all the rest of America.
The top 20 percent owns over 80 percent of all wealth. The bottom 20 percent basically have zero wealth.
So if you think you'll be better by letting the Republican not tax you, think again. They'll not tax themselves first.
(That's why they're so rich) !!


Another Example: Religion is an invention of the human being to control people.
If we follow the Bible, Jesus was poor and was helping the poor.
Shouldn't the Pope represent Jesus and his beliefs?
Shouldn't the Pope be poor and help them?

America. I believe November 2nd will be a turning point in history. For good or for bad.
We already had 8 years of bad. If Obama is not elected, American will watch their country decline
and the fall could be brutal. Russian, China are already buying your country cheap.

Posted by: Analyzer | September 2, 2008 2:35 AM | Report abuse

McLame had a hard choice to make: Palin or Pamela Anderson. It was a tough choice, but the better bimbo won. Vote McLame!

Posted by: Dave Miner | September 2, 2008 2:36 AM | Report abuse

Let the young girl alone. Lets all pick on Barack Hussein Obama. He's the real villain, plus he's used to the abuse.

Posted by: SadAmerican | September 2, 2008 2:36 AM | Report abuse

lousyreps ....

glad I didn't let you down ...

like Obama will.

Too bad, so sad.

Posted by: Jindal-Pawlenty | September 2, 2008 2:37 AM | Report abuse

If Palen wasn't an absent mother running with McCain she'd be absent doing something else. She's one of those sickening closed minded selfish people out to raise another selfish little Republican. There is something repugnant about a woman Republican. One that runs for office really makes my skin crawl. McCain made a good choice. They're two peas in a pod. This my be the first political divorce on record.

Posted by: adobelane | September 2, 2008 2:37 AM | Report abuse

You are absolutely right, Mr. Robinson. Pelosi, Palin, Hillary, all these uppity women should go back to the kitchen! One child, four, five, who cares? The problem is that they all think they can do whatever they want, or that they can handle multiple responsibilities. Only men can do that, we know.

Posted by: Bruce Wayne | September 2, 2008 2:39 AM | Report abuse

If you think dominated news means that they will win then Obama already won, Jindal-Pawlenty.

Posted by: GGYY | September 2, 2008 2:39 AM | Report abuse

kinda funny how now that the mud is flying at mcklan and palin, repubs are crying foul so loudly. oh well whats good for the goose.......

Posted by: barsto | September 2, 2008 2:40 AM | Report abuse

Palin's going down in History. She's going to play a major role in the Legend of the Last Days of the Republican Party, starring opposite Dementia McCain. This mournful song will be sung for decades, because that's how long it's going to take Republicans to get back in control of the candy shoppe. Palin's well on her way to becoming a colorful bit of Americana, like William Taft's bathtub. Vice President? Not so much.

Posted by: fzdybel | September 2, 2008 2:40 AM | Report abuse

The fear of Palin is so strong in here it is palpable.

It even has an odor.

Like dirty socks.

I think you Democrats are really jamming yourselves up here.

Now, you literally stink.

*** WHERE'S OBAMA'S BOUNCE ***

80,000 people can't be wrong --- can they?

Posted by: Jindal-Pawlenty | September 2, 2008 2:41 AM | Report abuse

"glad I didn't let you down ...
like Obama will.
Too bad, so sad."

Just like someone who thinks he knows everything.
Who said I was voting for Obama?
And here we have another example of another mr know-it-all who really knows nothing at all.

Posted by: lousyreps | September 2, 2008 2:42 AM | Report abuse

GGYY ...

your stutter is wicked ...

even effects your typing.

*** WHERE'S THE GREAT ORATOR'S BOUNCE? ***

Palin got it.

Posted by: Jindal-Pawlenty | September 2, 2008 2:42 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone heard of a stay at home "DAD". Amazing concept, now that America has a chance to vote a female vice president into power- we now look at her family and say "she needs to be home with the kids". Well guess again- this is not the 50's anymore and there is such a thing as a stay at home dad, and "wow" guess what- its now quite common. Whether it be a stay at home mom or a stay at home dad- someone has to work!

No one would ever say Obama should not run for presidency because he has family issues (seriously, what family doesn't)! I have met this amazing woman Sarah Palin, she is dedicated to her family and her career! I applaud her decision for choosing this giant political step- and believe that she can rule with an iron fist!

And to point out- (most) teenagers do exactly what their parents tell them not to do. If you have ever been around today's teens you would know that. Mistakes happen, and I think that her being a teen mom should be as far as the lesson should go. Yes, mistakes happen in any family, and yes, she is ultimately doing America a favor by accepting the role as our "Next Vice President" even though now it puts her family and into the lime light, I think any hard working mom would do the same- if such a privileged opportunity came along, go for it!

But at least she was courageous enough to admit that her daughter was pregnant, and there was no way of hiding that from the public eye. She knew that people like you EUGENE would jump in and take the nasty pleasure in slashing the family name before she had her input. Leave family issues where they belong- to the family!!! GO SARAH!

Posted by: Back off! | September 2, 2008 2:42 AM | Report abuse

It's not Palin's gender that is at issue. Her extreme views and lifestyle make even Tom Cruise appear mainstream.

Posted by: snpanago | September 2, 2008 2:43 AM | Report abuse

"...It even has an odor.
Like dirty socks..."

Thats McCain you're smelling. I'll bet he reeks of old dirty smelling socks.

Posted by: lousyreps | September 2, 2008 2:43 AM | Report abuse

Hey Palin, whatever you may say to sugar-coat the decision of your 18 year old to enlist for this illegal war, it seems that you have a lot of work to do with your own children. We are not talking about an 18-year old who has no choice but enlist because of the promise of college, at the end of it all. We are talking about a middle class kid voluntarily(?) signing up for this illegal war. Whew, I found that disturbing. Is he emotionally stable, Palin? What about your pregant teenage daughter? What about your D.S baby? It looks to me that you have a lot of work to do with the people who should matter the most in your life, let alone, saving the nation and the world.

Posted by: thisworld | September 2, 2008 2:44 AM | Report abuse

Thanks all. All very interesting, madness up close and personal. Good morning and good luck. I will vote my conscience, I will vote a straight Democrat ticket in November.

Posted by: bingo | September 2, 2008 2:44 AM | Report abuse

Kennedy filled up a coliseum for his acceptance speech.

Obama filled up a football stadium.

Kennedy won --- because of corruption in Chicago and West Virginia (ask Matthews, he can tell the truth about something like that ... Kennedy never made something shiver up his leg ... LMAO).

Will Barack have to cheat to win? I expect so.

Posted by: Jindal-Pawlenty | September 2, 2008 2:45 AM | Report abuse

Is this the image that we want portrayed in the White House of an unwed teenage mother? I'm a Christian, married, and father of two, and I DO NOT think these are the VALUES rendered in my home. I believe Palin should now step down and save the country an impending embarrassment.

Posted by: newhome08 | September 2, 2008 2:45 AM | Report abuse

Hmm. McCain's wife and Gov Palin.
Now that's hot.

Posted by: Paris | September 2, 2008 2:46 AM | Report abuse

Obama got much more dominated news than McCain, Jindal-Pawlenty.

Posted by: GGYY | September 2, 2008 2:46 AM | Report abuse

People that have to announce when they are leaving a forum ... are ... well ... stupid.

I am sorry.

There.

All better.

Now run off before your dad finds out your up this late.

Posted by: Jindal-Pawlenty | September 2, 2008 2:47 AM | Report abuse

Gene: If you ever doubted your premise, look at the vile, funny, defensive and principled discussion of this 17 year old's bad decision in the Washington Post. Right wing or left, no teenage unwed mother should have to be plastered on every newspaper in the nation. But that is not the media's fault -- it's her Mom's and John McCain's. If he REALLY knew that this 17 year old girl was pregnant, he would have know she would be dragged through the mud ... selfish, short sighted, poor judgment. Was this Hail Mary pass worth damaging this kid? Wouldn't have been for me ...

Posted by: straight talk my a** | September 2, 2008 2:48 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps if Sarah Palin had not elected to go into politics after having a bunch of children, and instead had stayed home to see what her children were doing, her daughter might not be pregnant. Trying to have the best of all worlds freguently results in failure in one or the other (or both). To have a daughter's pregnancy broadcast to the world for all history to record is doing the daughter and her unborn child no favors. Back to the kitchen, Sarah, perhaps you can succeed at something!

Posted by: Doris | September 2, 2008 2:48 AM | Report abuse

The reason that Palin's daughter's pregnancy is being reported and talked about so much is that it shows and puts a spotlight on the horrible parenting job Palin and her "first dude" husband have done. She is like another Lynn Spears with her bad parenting of Britney and Jamie Lynn Spears since those two are out of control. It showcases in brilliant neon lights that Abstinence Only sex education does not keep teens from having sex and only increase their chances of getting pregnant or catching a sexual disease. So, if anything her teenage daughter getting knocked up just proves that we Democrats are right on so many issues.

And Roger Clinton didn't get the news coverage because that was a brother - not a person Bill Clinton had any control over or could influence his behavior, however when you are talking about someone's children - they are complete reflection of how the parents truly are. Just like Jenna and Barbara Bush were out of control teenagers, drinking underage and wild parties, they learned their behavior from their parents. Real good role models coming out of Republican homes! Yeah, right!

Posted by: heirutwil | September 2, 2008 2:48 AM | Report abuse

The Pope gets room and board, that's all. So much nonesense. He has no heirs; when he dies, they take his ring and smash it, and bury him in his vestments.

He leaves this earth like us all - with nothing. Stop blaming every thing on the Pope.

To the point of your article, I sometimes feel I am totally stupid. GOPers are telling me irrational things. And they say them with smiles on their faces. E.g., Palin has international experience because Alaska is next to Russia. Nonesense.

Palin, we are told has more executive experience than a Senator, even McCain, because she headed up the PTA, and was the mayor of a small city.

She has, we are told, Commander in Chief experience because she heads of the Alaska National Guard. Pretty much nonesense since the Guard is under the control nowadays of the Federal Government.

No wonder we are pulling out our hair and attacking Palin, because of sound argument fails agains the spin of the GOP.

Obama has a fabulous week in his Convention, uniting the party and the country, and his polls go up a few points. McCain has a terrible week, and his polls go up a few points. I give up.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 2:48 AM | Report abuse

Oh, okay, GGYY ... you're right.

Barack is better.

I will vote for him.

Posted by: Jindal-Pawlenty | September 2, 2008 2:49 AM | Report abuse

"Is this the image that we want portrayed in the White House of an unwed teenage mother?"

Isn't that better than what we have in the White House now?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 2:49 AM | Report abuse

I love how all of the 'pro-choice' people here criticize Gov. Palin for not 'being able to control her daughter'.

Posted by: Polly | September 2, 2008 2:51 AM | Report abuse

You say good-bye to Republican and we say hello to Democratic.

Posted by: GGYY | September 2, 2008 2:52 AM | Report abuse

Do you really want a guy who decides on his VP choice without any serious back ground checks?
From NYT:
"A Republican with ties to the campaign said the team assigned to vet Ms. Palin in Alaska had not arrived there until Thursday, a day before Mr. McCain stunned the political world with his vice-presidential choice."

Oh wait. I forgot, he voted FOR the war without any real evidence of WMDs also.
I guess it's a habit of his.

Posted by: Duh | September 2, 2008 2:53 AM | Report abuse

If Barack can't get more media, then he's REALLY got problems.

He would be able to kick a soccer ball into an open goal, either (hmmmm ... on second thought, he can't bowl can he?)

Anyway, you know it's true. Palin sucked all the oxygen out of the room since Friday morning, and judging by this little mud-slinging forum, she's gonna keep on being the topic of discussion.

I'll take that.

See ya November 4, loser.

Posted by: Jindal-Pawlenty | September 2, 2008 2:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm wondering about that Downs Syndrome Baby. Who is taking care of it. Or are they throwing it in a box under the stairs and feeding it chicken heads?

Posted by: elgunjduts | September 2, 2008 2:53 AM | Report abuse


FROM ALASKA WITH LOVE --

Sarah Palin is the US’s answer to Margaret Thatcher! Anyone who thinks she cannot handle the job or deal briskly and efficiently with ANY issue, including foreign governments … well, they haven’t met our Sarah.

As an Alaskan resident as well as a resident of Wasilla, AK, where Sarah Palin was at one time Mayor … I can speak with confidence. Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska is exactly what she portrayed during her introduction this morning and exactly what our US Government needs. She is ethical to a fault (if there is such a thing), a refreshing change to the status-quo and as smart and determined a PERSON (gender really isn’t an issue here as far as I’m concerned) as anyone could ask for at the head of government.

Sarah is no naïve “small town mayor” – she just *started out* there. BTW, as Mayor of Wasilla, she brought this “small town” through a lot of GOOD changes and left it at the end of her term having grown to the 4th largest CITY in Alaska – a lot of growth and a stronger economic base than ever before.

She has EXECTUTIVE experience *running a government* (something NONE of the other candidates can actually boast, even John McCain) as Governor of Alaska and got there by defeating the *incumbent* Republican Governor, who was definitely part of the “old school” and who WAS very much in the pocket of the big oil companies. We in Alaska wanted change – and we got it in the person of Sarah Palin!

Sarah Palin is everything she looks to be and more. Her approval rating as Governor of Alaska has been as high as 95% and is currently leveled out consistently in the upper 80 percentile throughout the state (and in both parties) - the HIGHEST approval rating of ANY sitting Governor.

Sarah has been turning around corruption in the Legislature of Alaska - turning things on their ear for that matter; cutting spending in spite of the increased income the state is currently receiving due to the high oil prices - she has insisted on putting a huge amount of the "windfall" into savings for the future rather than spending, spending, spending - and has insisted from the get-go on what she refers to as "honest, ethical and transparent governing" - no more closed door meetings and dealings - the big oil companies thought she would be a pushover and have learned better to their chagrin.

She understands the "real people" and the economic issues we all face (Alaskans along with the rest of the country) - she was one of "us" not long ago. Rather than passing useless "laws" or throwing money at pet projects, she (most recently) temporarily suspended the state gas tax (on gasoline at the pumps, fuel oil and natural gas for homes, etc.) and has ordered checks issued to ALL residents of Alaska this fall in an attempt to assist with the burden of high fuel costs for the upcoming winter. I could go on and on, but that's enough for now. She isn’t doing these things to be popular – she is doing it because her constituents are HURTING financially and she can help.

She became Governor of Alaska by defeating the Incumbent Republican Governor and doing it *without* the money or the support of the Republican Party, which was amazing in itself - and she won by a landslide. The "powers that be" at that time totally underestimated Sarah and learned better the hard way. She has done exactly what she claimed she was going to do and is just as popular today as the day she was elected - perhaps more so since even the Democrats up here seem to like her - she works well with both sides in the Legislature here.

Sarah "belongs" to us (Alaskans) ... and although we are going to be terribly sorry to see her leave before she finishes the job she started here (two years ago) straightening out OUR State ... we understand she is needed for a bigger purpose and hopefully her Lt. Governor will be able to fill her shoes here and continue the job.

As for worrying about what would happen if McCain were to die or step down or whatever ... , up here in AK we've only been wondering how long we would be able to KEEP Sarah in Alaska and have seen her as our first woman President of the USA from the start. It's always been a matter of whether she would wait until the end of her TWO terms as Governor (no doubt at ALL that she would be re-elected if she ran for a second term at the end of her current term) ... or end up in Washington sooner. She could do the job TODAY.

Personally, I feel a lot better about McCain now that I know he has someone as savvy, as strong, as ethical and as steady as Sarah at his back. She will be an excellent Vice President ... and my guess is will be our US Republican Presidential candidate in four years - AND by then the country will KNOW her – will love and respect her as we do here - and she'll win by as much of a landslide as she did here in Alaska. I only wonder if McCain has a clue what he is unleashing on the US of A. She is going to be a fresh wind, but also a strong wind.

Is that enough of an endorsement? If not, I'll add this ... Jerry and I have for many years felt the best "vote" was to vote for the lesser of two "evils" and hope they didn't do too much damage. Two years ago during our State Governor's race was the first time EVER that we actually asked for not just a little sign to put in our yard showing our support of our candidate (something we've never felt the desire to do at all before) - we asked for a full 4' x 8' "SARAH PALIN FOR GOVERNOR!" sign and were proud to have it. She hasn't let us or Alaska down. She will do the same for the USA if given the opportunity.
9/2/2008 2:42:31 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 2:54 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, her personal life became everyones business when Palin chose to accept.

So, if we are going to ban "personal lives", then tell the Right to stop with the "Obama is a Muslim" and emphasising the "Hussain" in his name. Tell them to stop the lies and smears the right has done to Obama the moment he threw his hat into the ring.

I personally think that with an infant with special needs and a pregnant daughter at home, she should have turned down the nomination and focused a bit more on her family. Even being Governor at this point seems a little much. She's young, she can run again some time.

Posted by: Smithy | September 2, 2008 2:55 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, her personal life became everyones business when Palin chose to accept.

So, if we are going to ban "personal lives", then tell the Right to stop with the "Obama is a Muslim" and emphasising the "Hussain" in his name. Tell them to stop the lies and smears the right has done to Obama the moment he threw his hat into the ring.

I personally think that with an infant with special needs and a pregnant daughter at home, she should have turned down the nomination and focused a bit more on her family. Even being Governor at this point seems a little much. She's young, she can run again some time.

Posted by: Smithy | September 2, 2008 2:56 AM | Report abuse

Now it's sounding like McCain didn't even vet Palin! MY GOD!! I've had it with this party. We need to start out fresh, get rid of the whole lot. Get some true conservatives back in there and the entire current group OUT, and the sooner the better. In ten years this can just be a faint bad dream for conservatives.

I was hoping it was true that Obama didn't get a bounce, but now the latest polls show that he did. And maybe it's for the best.

Posted by: RedAndAngry | September 2, 2008 2:56 AM | Report abuse

This is freaky!

I went to junior high with Sarah Palin! We were buds. This much I can tell you about her:

She could throw a frisbee. I mean, that thing would fly. Of course her aim was terrible. I could never catch the thing. It was like, Sarah, I'm standing right here! Quit throwing the frisbee into the bushes! I got so tired of chasing that damn frisbee.

Posted by: Squinky | September 2, 2008 2:56 AM | Report abuse

"I love how all of the 'pro-choice' people here criticize Gov. Palin for not 'being able to control her daughter'. -Poly"

I love how all the pro-lifers here think abortion is murder yet support a war thats murdered thousands of people already.

Posted by: Duh | September 2, 2008 2:56 AM | Report abuse

Let's all remember that Bristol is 17 years old, and still under her parents care and responsibility to do what is best for her. The question posed by Mr. Robinson is "would you do this to your daughter?" Let's stop living in the fantasy world where the media stays out of people's personal lives when they have entered the harsh spotlight of publicity. That's not reality. And let's also remember that we, the public, hold some measure of responsibility for what the media reports on - it's the stories that sell and that people read. Does that make it right to exploit people in this way? No. Is the media biased and sometimes misleading? Of course. But let's deal with reality.

Palin knew that she and her family and everything that's ever been said and done that in any way touches her life would be scrutinized and put under a microscope, for anyone following this race to review and react to. With that said, again - was her decision to accept the VP position when she knew that this would be a difficult situation to put her CHILD into? To have Bristol's pregnancy become national news (and no, it wouldn't have been otherwise) as the world talks about her unwed pregnant teenager?

The other issue, which many Republicans are jumping on, is the accusation that Democrats are referring to Bristol's "choice" as being abortion. I'm quite certain that at 5 months pregnant, her decision to keep the baby had long since been made. The "choice" that is being referred to is more likely that of getting married at 17. Perhaps if her mother was not selected as a VP candidate she would've waited to make that decision, but considering the issues that her mother supports, wouldn't you agree that at this point for Bristol marriage is pretty much mandatory? Could you imagine the reaction if she said she wanted to wait on that? Let's face it, for many people, her engagement makes this situation much more acceptable.

I don't believe that it was the best decision for her daughter and future grandchild. She did put Bristol in an even more difficult situation than she's already facing and very possibly put her up for another decision she may not have been ready to make quite yet. Don't get me wrong, I do believe that she should marry the father, but I believe even more strongly that it is HER decision to make alone without the pressure from the millions of people watching.

Posted by: choice? | September 2, 2008 2:57 AM | Report abuse

Let's all vote a straight Democrat ticket in November ! Stop pointless contraversy ! Obama is right; this is a small issue. This election is too important to waste time and energy on pointless personal issues

Posted by: bingo | September 2, 2008 2:57 AM | Report abuse

Eugene,

Just a little critique on your shilling skills:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Obama told you to drop this issue, right?

I never thought shilling to be so hard.

Posted by: Jindal-Pawlenty | September 2, 2008 2:58 AM | Report abuse

"Anyway, you know it's true. Palin sucked all the oxygen out of the room."

You can put it that way, but it's still bad news for McCain. He needs all the talk and controversy to be about Obama. Being in the media focus is hardly the winning move in this election, despite bloggers' complaints about who does and does not get the air time. Yes Obama got a lot of air time, and the majority was negative coverage. Now it's McCain's turn to get the treatment.

Posted by: fzdybel | September 2, 2008 2:59 AM | Report abuse

The right has actually been pretty gracious in not focusing too strongly on Biden's many mistakes.

Posted by: Look 'em up | September 2, 2008 2:59 AM | Report abuse

Palin sucked all the oxygen out of the room and something else, JP. LOL !!

Posted by: GGYY | September 2, 2008 3:00 AM | Report abuse

Red and Angry, please stop trying to pretend being something that your not. Your not very good at it.

Posted by: Wow, just wow | September 2, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: A Coulter | September 2, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

Jindal-Pawlenty,
I didnt know they had internet access in your trailer park.
Is it dial up?

Posted by: trash | September 2, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

Hey, I knew Sarah too but in college. She was really nice. I mean REALLY...REAALLY nice. See the picture of her with the t-shirt displaying her pride in her large breasts? It's online. Yes, she was lots of fun in college.

Posted by: Tank McGoogles | September 2, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

Hey, I knew Sarah too but in college. She was really nice. I mean REALLY...REAALLY nice. See the picture of her with the t-shirt displaying her pride in her large breasts? It's online. Yes, she was lots of fun in college.

Posted by: Tank McGoogles | September 2, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: A Coulter | September 2, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

Liberals, Please please see this for what it is, A TRAP!!

Don't think for one second that the McCain campaign didn't understand all of the implications of Palin as the VP nomination. As soon as we jump on this opportunity to rail against Palin, which we are all so anxious to do, we run the risk of turning into the very sexist monsters that we have fought so hard against.

As soon as this happens, the Hillary vote which is just starting to gingerly turn to Obama could again be offended by the party.

Let's follow Obama's lead and ignore this mud slinging and concentrate on McCain/Palin's many political weaknesses.

Don't make the Republican's make the Press and the Democrats look stupid again this year. PLEASE!!!

Posted by: Jake | September 2, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

Jindal-Pawlenty,
I didnt know they had internet access in your trailer park.
Is it dial up?

Posted by: trash | September 2, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

Now it's sounding like McCain didn't even vet Palin! MY GOD!! I've had it with this party. We need to start out fresh, get rid of the whole lot. Get some true conservatives back in there and the entire current group OUT, and the sooner the better. In ten years this can just be a faint bad dream for conservatives.

I was hoping it was true that Obama didn't get a bounce, but now the latest polls show that he did. And maybe it's for the best.

Posted by: RedAndAngry | September 2, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

She's hugely fascinating, she and her family. Shotgun weddings. Feuds. Creationism. Right here in the Twenty-first Century. Conservatives everywhere must be popping their buttons.

Posted by: fzdybel | September 2, 2008 3:08 AM | Report abuse

Does this finally mean that the Republicans will support national public funding for infant and toddler daycare care so that teenage girls and all mothers of special needs children can finish their educations or follow their chosen careers?

Does this mean the Republicans will change Insurance companies mandates so that won't allow insurance companies to deny coverage to familes with special needs children?

Does this mean that if we all support the Palin's reproductive CHOICES, that the Palins will allow others to make their own CHOICES as well?

Posted by: R in Colorado | September 2, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm for John Kerry, or ...

George Wallace.

When do we vote?

Posted by: Just woke up | September 2, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm a Republican, but I won't vote for a woman.

Posted by: Wow, just wow | September 2, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm for John Kerry, or ...

George Wallace.

When do we vote?

Posted by: Just woke up | September 2, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm a Republican, but I won't vote for a woman.

Posted by: Wow, just wow | September 2, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse

Robinson,
you are one of the people who is putting her in the spotlight! Don't you have any shame? You and WaPost are despicable!

Posted by: Collin | September 2, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse

A reminder, just in case you forgot what presidential elections are for, which is understandable, after the last 8 years. Elections are the choice of a Leader. Not a dem or a neo-con, not a woman or a man. That's why the life of anyone running for office needs to be scrutinized in detail so we can make the best possible choice. If at any point you feel sorry or compassion for your leader, that could mean you have no leadership.

Posted by: NightShift | September 2, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse

Robinson,
you are one of the people who is putting her in the spotlight! Don't you have any shame?

Posted by: Collin | September 2, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse

Does this finally mean that the Republicans will support national public funding for infant and toddler daycare care so that teenage girls and all mothers of special needs children can finish their educations or follow their chosen careers?

Does this mean the Republicans will change Insurance companies mandates so that won't allow insurance companies to deny coverage to familes with special needs children?

Does this mean that if we all support the Palin's reproductive CHOICES, that the Palins will allow others to make their own CHOICES as well?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse

Does this finally mean that the Republicans will support national public funding for infant and toddler daycare care so that teenage girls and all mothers of special needs children can finish their educations or follow their chosen careers?

Does this mean the Republicans will change Insurance companies mandates so that won't allow insurance companies to deny coverage to familes with special needs children?

Does this mean that if we all support the Palin's reproductive CHOICES, that the Palins will allow others to make their own CHOICES as well?

Posted by: R in Colorado | September 2, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm a Republican, but I won't vote for a woman.

Posted by: Wow, just wow | September 2, 2008 3:20 AM | Report abuse

Well, it seems that the McCain campaign is now entering the full meltdown phase.

Posted by: Tom in California | September 2, 2008 3:21 AM | Report abuse

Oh, this is rich...

Sickoftabloidreporting writes:

"TO ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO CANNOT MIND THEIR OWN FAMILIES BUT SEEM TO WANT TO PUT THEIR TWO CENTS IN OTHER PEOPLE'S PERSONAL BUSINESS; MIND YOU OWN BUSINESS... yada, yada, yada."

In all CAPS no less. How ironic that the republican-leaning posters here and through out the "Internets" are squealing like stuck pigs, that this is "a personal family matter". and trying to brush it under the rug. As if to say, "How dare you pay attention to the press release that Mr. & Ms. Palin released to the media; that in fact, their 17 year-old, unmarried daughter is pregnant. How dare you!"

It's also ironic that the GOPers are screaming that it's a private family matter, yet these same pious, self-righteous, self-proclaimed standard bearers of "Family Values" are the ones that want to impose their religious fascism on this country to deny a woman's right to make her own private reproductive choices.

That's right, Bristol "may" have chosen to keep her unborn baby and Ms. Palin obviously CHOSE to keep her downs baby, and that's exactly what it SHOULD be... a CHOICE! A personal, private CHOICE. Yet the right-wingers can't seem to grasp that. For them, the only choice is that you do what they tell you to do.. or else. They don't mind the government imposing their views on the private reproductive rights of the rest of us.

What's really key in all of this the judgment (or lack thereof) of both John McCain an Ms. Palin. In the first place, why would a 44 year-old woman who is 8 months pregnant (knowing in advance her unborn baby has downs) take 7 or 8 hour plane ride from Alaska to Texas, not telling the flight crew she was pregnant, just to give a half-hour political speech. Then she starts "leaking amnio fluid" before the speech, but decides to go through with the speech. And THEN, instead of seeking medical attention in Texas, immediately gets back on a 8 hour flight back to Alaska. AND THEN drives another 45-50 minute to a smaller medical center in the small town that she used to be mayor of instead of a larger, better equipped hospital closer to the airport?

What kind of "judgement" is that? What kind of Judgement is McCain showing by choosing her to be "just a heartbeat away" from being CnC?

No matter how much lipstick you put on this... it's still a pig.

Posted by: Sandyeggin | September 2, 2008 3:21 AM | Report abuse

I'm a Republican, and I won't vote for a woman. Simple as that.

Posted by: Wow, just wow | September 2, 2008 3:22 AM | Report abuse

I suppose Barack Obama is not subjecting his family to anything...
Listen Robinson, Palin is not the one subjecting her family to scruitiny, the mainstream media is the one attacking her family. You are participating in that and I find it despicable.

Posted by: Collin | September 2, 2008 3:22 AM | Report abuse

Not only is Palin unfit for VP because of her lousy parenting skills, but she is not even close to being qualified to be the President of the Senate (one of the jobs of the VP), however, considering his vast experience with the inner workings of the Senate, Joe Biden is a perfect choice for VP. Hmmmmm, yep, McCain pulled a political stunt in picking a FEMALE unknown with little experience in much of anything and the stunt has now blown up in his face. Goes to show you his lack of good judgment. Do we really want another president in office who only hires someone depending on their political views and loyalty (such as the case of FEMA "you're doing a heck of a job" Brownie) for important, experience-needed positions?

Posted by: judy 212 | September 2, 2008 3:22 AM | Report abuse

you guys are missing the point...the issue is not the pregnancy or interest in it...that palin would place the priority of running mate over the attention(hers and the media's) to her daughter is.

it is telling that a mother would ship her daughter off to live with an aunt during this time. and it is difficult to imagine sending a daughter away when you have the power to do otherwise.

and you are living in a dream world if you think that the public, the media, is not going to find interest in all things regarding a new face in washington. a new face that may very well be in position to rule the free world...people want to know of her character, her policy, her tenure, ect.

she's in the big time, now..with big time rules and big time stakes...if she is stupid and naive to think that this, and her handling of it, would not be in the public eye, then it would serve her well to shuffle on back to alaska.

Posted by: jazzgrrrl25 | September 2, 2008 3:24 AM | Report abuse

A reminder, just in case you forgot what presidential elections are for, which is understandable, after the last 8 years. Elections are the choice of a Leader. Not a dem or a neo-con, not a woman or a man. That's why the life of anyone running for office needs to be scrutinized in detail so we can make the best possible choice. If at any point you feel sorry or compassion for your leader, that could mean you have no leadership.

Posted by: NightShift | September 2, 2008 3:24 AM | Report abuse

WMCCAIN NEEDS TO CHOOSE SOMEONE ELSE. GOT TO!! AND FAST!!! MCCAIN JUST NEEDS TO SAY SHE LIED AND HE HAD FAITH IN HER BUT SHE LIED ALL ABOUT HER LIFE. SHE LIED TO HIM. IT'S THE TRUTH ANYWAY. SHE LIED!!!

Posted by: PRIDEWILLPERVAIL | September 2, 2008 3:28 AM | Report abuse

OK she's pregnant and getting married. His myspace states he doesn't want children. For the sake of their child, they must marry before their child is born. 70% of society thinks that having a child out of wedlock is both bad for society and immoral. http://societyofbastards.org The Palin family should push the marriage quickly and not let that child suffer the "illegitimacy" label for the rest of its life and their legacy.

Posted by: Good Old Bastard | September 2, 2008 3:32 AM | Report abuse

Robinson,

You are the one "doing that to her daughter." You and Campbell Brown of CNN. Where do you get the nerve?

Posted by: Collin | September 2, 2008 3:34 AM | Report abuse

There is an irony to this story. Not only is Sarah Palin anti-abortion (quite understandable to me, even though I'm not), she's also anti-contraceptive. She believes that nobody should have access to or use any form of contraception in any circumstances. Clearly her daughter was following her mother's belief in this matter. The irony is the sh*tstorm that ensued because those beliefs were followed.

Sarah Palin's attitude about contraception needs to be carefully examined, especially by women, because she would stand just a heartbeat away from the presidency behind an elderly man, and we have seen just how a Democratic Congress stands up to a Republican administration, which is to say, not at all.

Already the Department of Health and Human Services, under George Bush, has quietly defined contraception as abortion. With the next Supreme Court choice by a Republican president, abortion, therefore contraception, will be made illegal. Take a few minutes and think about THAT.

Posted by: Nicekid | September 2, 2008 3:36 AM | Report abuse

Great point, Mr. Robinson. No, it isn't a sexist motive that raises such a concern. I felt the "if it was your daughter," powerfully, and I am a man. It shows Palin's alarming insensitivity, or perhaps her out-of-touch ignorance of how mind-blowingly hot the media lasers are right now in the U.S.

I think it shows that Palin wanted to hide it, and thought she could (!), and that McCain simply didn't know about it until his staff discovered it recently.

Which means McCain and whoever says he DID know are okay if not completely comfortable with deceiving the American people with a great big "Trust Me" grin on their faces. The GOP and the religious right seem frighteningly Borg-like in their uncautious adherence to every lame and premise-stretching McCain talking-point about this. Not much of a surprise there, but of course then we're back to "Well, if YOU guys (Republicans)don't know exactly who she is, how can WE feel safe about her?" This is my opinion.

Posted by: Vincent | September 2, 2008 3:36 AM | Report abuse

"For the sake of their child, they must marry before their child is born."

What's the matter with adoption by somebody who actually *does* want children? For the sake of their child? The father doesn't want the child, and my guess is he doesn't want the marriage either, or it would have happened already.

Posted by: fzdybel | September 2, 2008 3:37 AM | Report abuse

His MySpace says he doesn't want children? Wow. And is he really 26? Yeah, this marriage is going to work just fine.

Posted by: K. | September 2, 2008 3:38 AM | Report abuse

Stop using the sexist card to defend Palin because she made fun of Hillary for using it.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 3:41 AM | Report abuse

I think Sarah Palin thought more about Sarah Paln than she did her kid. Her kid is going through enough emotionally and physically and putting her on this world stage for all of america to see is just unfair and frankly irresponsible.

Alaskan politics is nothing like national politics for the highest office in the land. The media frenzy is unparalled in an national election as compared to small time Alaska. I don't think Palin really knows exactly what she has subjected her life, and her family's life too by not properly thinking this through. On top of the fact that her baby has Down Syndrome and needs her undivided attention on top of the fact now her 17 year old is 5 months pregnant.

There's no way I'd take my 17 year old through this scrutiny.

Posted by: 2pacolypse | September 2, 2008 3:41 AM | Report abuse

Pro-Life is Jim Crow for vaginas.

Posted by: georgepwebster | September 2, 2008 3:41 AM | Report abuse

If she's against contraception, he better get to wanting children. A LOT of them. Maybe even 2 more before she's 20.

Posted by: K. | September 2, 2008 3:42 AM | Report abuse

Vote for the ticket with the correct genetalia!

Obama/Biden 08

Posted by: Wow, just wow | September 2, 2008 3:44 AM | Report abuse

OK...OK...OK!!! Let's discount the whole personal-family-business-stuff for a moment. For Palin, her family, even the family dog (and God help us if the media vets the dog too). ENOUGH! --Here's a thought. McCain, shortly after his Inaugural Address, while searching for a bathroom, mysteriously disappears (this happens with old people... probably because he's looking for a bathroom in one of the homes he has)... at any rate, he becomes "incapacitated".

Per the 25th Amendment, Palin takes Office and in a historic gesture nominates Hilary Clinton as her new Vice President but Hilary has yet to be confirmed by a majority of of both Houses of Congress. It will take 9 months. Why, because she's HILARY CLINTON! And things never go as fast for her.

So, on the first night of her celebratory Presidency, President Palin gets knotted up... again. The night before the baby is born God speaks to her as a burning book - recently published by Karl Rove. God tells Palin to exit the Imperial Presidency and focus on her family... or else (think Old Testament here or, you know, Vito Corleone). Realizing it's really God and not the voice of Marlon Brando, she resigns the day after the child is born and returns back to.... well, wherever the hell she came from.

Now, listen closely, this is where it gets interesting: GUESS WHO?? Nancy Pelosi becomes the 49th President of the United States! A woman. A Democratic. Still Speaker of the House. Hey, she even has five children too! What were the chances??

Suddenly, Hilary's looking real good in comparison to Pelosi. Congress finally votes on the the Vice Presidential confirmation. The next day, aliens from the planet Buba, kidnap President Pelosi and the vacancy makes Hilary Clinton the 50th President of the United States. Again, in a historic gesture of good will, Hilary announces her pick for the Vice Presidency... the Junior Senator from Illinois, Barack Obama.

You want family drama my friends? You an't seen nothin' yet. --Is this a great country or what?

Posted by: ofthelight | September 2, 2008 3:44 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin should back out. Tell McCain she messed up by saying yes. It will hurt him in the short run, but it's only going to get worse for them both otherwise.

Posted by: USC_triDelts | September 2, 2008 3:46 AM | Report abuse

McCain's pick just makes me angry and want to question his judgment. How dare he not pick a more suitable woman like Michelle Obama, Nancy Pelosi, or Oprah Winfrey. What was he thinking?

Posted by: Jim Jim | September 2, 2008 3:48 AM | Report abuse

to all of you who are criticizing the "the decisions that sarah has made regarding her family":

keep talking. keep on talking.

you're gonna talk her and mccain right into the white house, and I CAN'T WAIT!

Posted by: nathan | September 2, 2008 3:50 AM | Report abuse

Because no one in their right mind would want Michelle Obama, Nancy Pelosi, or Oprah Winfrey as President. Or Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Jim Jim is dumb dumb | September 2, 2008 3:50 AM | Report abuse

AND THAT INCLUDES YOU, EUGENE!

i am gonna love rubbing your noses in it in a few weeks' time.

Posted by: nathan | September 2, 2008 3:52 AM | Report abuse

What a bunch of hypocritical sanctimonious judgemental hogwash. A young woman gets pregnant and is keeping her baby. That's life, and that's her decision. I'm sure it will bring its full share of joys and sorrows, but we need to nurture and protect her (from the media amongst other dangers), not use her as a weapon to attack her family. After all, she's not in politics.

Posted by: Howie | September 2, 2008 3:53 AM | Report abuse

"you're gonna talk her and mccain right into the white house"

Which is as much as to acknowledge that they'll never make it there under their own power. But hope dies hard, eh?

Posted by: fzdybel | September 2, 2008 3:55 AM | Report abuse

The self-righteous right is upset at opinions made about one of their own? How terribly hypocritical. I for one am not interested in Palin's personal or family life, just whether she would be good at making wise and educated decisions on how to run a very large country. But the hypocrisy of the right, that always makes me chuckle. The right pretty much defines hypocrisy.

Posted by: bodean | September 2, 2008 3:55 AM | Report abuse

Stop using the sexist card to defend Palin because she made fun of Hillary for using it.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 3:55 AM | Report abuse

You know what's so offensive about all this ?

it's that for weeks leading up to Obama's veep pick, we kept hearing about how this was the most important decision a candidate could make, because it's their lone opportunity to make a judicious executive determination, to soberly assess the facts and then make a choice -- in the same way that a President would appoint a cabinet.

And the klieg lights of attention were focused on Obama to see if he would do the right thing. If he screwed up, we were told, it was game over!

By contrast, we were supposed to take as a matter of faith the idea that McCain, with his years of experience, would be good at this sort of thing.

And now, we're finding that he devoted the same care to this decision as the guy who impulse-buys that red Corvette on the way home from work, putting that sucker on the installment plan, though he knows his paycheck can't sustain it.

Posted by: Dave | September 2, 2008 3:57 AM | Report abuse

Stop using the sexist card to defend Palin because she made fun of Hillary for using it.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:01 AM | Report abuse

As a professional, single mother of a now-grown son and a daughter, I have to say that a parent who cannot manage to adequately supervise a family of 4 children is in no way ready to run a nation. The "choice" in question is not whether to keep a baby after it has been conceived - the "choice" is whether to conceive the child in the first place. There is no excuse for an accidental pregnancy for a 44 year old woman, and there is no excuse for an accidental pregnancy of a 17 year old girl.

I don't know whether Sarah Palin's own pregnancy was intended or not, but given her views about abstinence-only education, it seems that her daughter's pregnancy is a product of ignorance and a failure of parental responsibilities. A mother who is unwilling to teach her daughter about contraception should at least provide supervision.

Is it always the fault of the parent when a teen gets pregnant? No -- but it is not something that just "happens" to any family. Parents do have a role and a responsibility and can be a strong influence on their children. Part of that responsibility is being aware of and alert to the normal urges and temptations that teenagers face, and helping guide the children to good choices. A forced marriage between a 17 year old girl and an 18 year old boy is definitely not a good choice for either of them.

Posted by: Working Mom | September 2, 2008 4:01 AM | Report abuse

I agree Bodean, her family is not an issue. Yet I can only imagine what the right would be saying if Obama had a 17-year old pregnant daughter. They would not be kind. Imagine Limbaugh, and Hannity, and O'Reilly. They would be saying some very evil things, and their supporters would be here on this board, saying it's fair.

Posted by: Wow, just wow | September 2, 2008 4:01 AM | Report abuse

Well said, Working Mom. Plus, I believe she's 17, and he's 26, and have been dating since she was 14, and he was 23. And he has on his MySpace a comment on how he never wants children.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:04 AM | Report abuse

People are not attacking Palin's daughter, they are rightly pointing out the hypocrisy of a Republican establishment that has advanced the politics of character assassination and undermined the Freedom of Religion in pursuit of power. The internet should be replete with apologies from Republicans for allowing their party to bludgeon fellow Americans with some Biblical passages when politically expedient, while not doing so with other passages like those on fidelity, shell fish, swine, and indentured servitude. Christian Fundamentalists in the Republican Party and Media that want to impose their particular religious interpretations on others can't have it both ways:

Either, a pregnancy is a personal matter SEPARATE from government (as most open minded freedom loving Americans argue), or it isn't.

Christian Fundamentalists want to impose non-medical/religious-only beliefs on people outside of their church in a nation where your pledge of allegiance means you swear not to do that. By advocating the imposition of her spirituality into law, Palin invited us to do something we shouldn't have to: to examine the consequences of Palin's religious beliefs on those of us who don't share those beliefs. Hypocrites deserve worse than being put in front of a mirror that reflects all the "family values" "I'm more Christian than you" that were used to distract the nation from a rational and substantiated discussion on issues that should not be postponed.

Christ was the first to advocate a separation of church and state when he declared "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s" (Matthew 22:21, see also John 18:36). Don't you dare use him to hide your lack of integrity,self-reflection, and moral courage. Not even someone who Christian Fundamentalists believe is fit to run the country and pick Supreme Court justices; who embodies their "Christian Values"; is able to keep her adolescent daughter abstinent. If you don't want people to look at how well the politics that puts "abstinence-only education" ahead of adolescent welfare worked out for your daughter, do us all a favor, mind your own business and remember your oath to uphold the Constitution means real American patriots would sooner die than allow their or anyone else's religious-only beliefs to be forced onto others.

Posted by: Edwin | September 2, 2008 4:11 AM | Report abuse

HEE HEE HEE! HO HO HO! And a couple of la-di-dahs ...

(You preposterous "family values" hypocrites haven't a clue that McCain is rubbing your mean, filthy, ignorant, intelligent designer mugs in your own excrement....)

In the merry old land of Oz!

This includes you too - Misters Will, Kristol, Krauthamer - militaristic swine ... Perverters of Freedom ... Tribunes of this filthy traitorious petrol-profiteering blood sport which is Republicanism

Posted by: McCain't | September 2, 2008 4:16 AM | Report abuse

Edwin I have to admit you make a good point. I have other problems with dems, but on this I wish the religious people would stop running the right.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:16 AM | Report abuse

It's pathetic how we, as a country, can no longer step back and analyze the real issues which affect our pocket books.
The Republicans basically love it, when we allow ourselves to get distracted by gossip and trivia.

Mama Palin is a neo-fascist, and McCain is delusional.

Posted by: Jamie | September 2, 2008 4:19 AM | Report abuse

Fourteen year olds dating older men. Feuds. Child brides. Shotgun weddings. Creationism. Secessionism. And then there's that picture of her with her moose, elk, or whatever it was she "bagged." And her daughter. Did she splash some of the kill's blood on her daughter's face? How deliciously atavistic she is.

At least this one won't be trooping about in cowboy boots with girlie men shooting at caged quails released for their first free range experience, like some vice presidents I could mention.

Posted by: fzdybel | September 2, 2008 4:20 AM | Report abuse

Just for the record, the father is only 18, not twenty-something.

Posted by: ByTheWay | September 2, 2008 4:24 AM | Report abuse

Can a parent do a good job raising five young children, including a four month old with special needs and also give their all to the second most powerful/important job in the world?

Posted by: Lincoln | September 2, 2008 4:24 AM | Report abuse

How the hell do these so called "family value polticians" have such dysfunctional offspring? Reagan's daughter posing nude for Playboy, W an alcoholic and coke fiend, the twins party animals,etc. Just compare these twits with Amy Carter and Chelsea Clinton, it's completely night and day.

Posted by: Pichiflay | September 2, 2008 4:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm a republican.
Does it have anything to do with "family values"? Akward question. We're talking about leading a country, and I believe in the freedom of choice when it comes to private issues. Of course there are values I believe in, in that respect, but they are mine, final.
Does it mean I would force my daughter to marry if she was pregnant at such a young age?
Certainly not. This is appaling.

We live in a changing world, the 19th century is a thing of the past. Forcing a pregnant young girl to marry, possibly ruining her life as an independant human being, for the sake of "moral values", would be a true sin of our times and a lie, as there seem to be no morals involved in this case, but selfish opportunism from the mother's daughter.
I woke up in disbelief. Disgusted.
That kid and her baby are going to suffer, the worst for her is yet to come.
No parents have the right to sacrifice their kid's future for their own.

Sarah Palin is the worst choice Mc Cain ever made. Not because her 17 year old daughter is pregnant. But because she, as a mother, seems frighteningly out of touch with the world we live in.

This is not a national issue, it's sheer stupidity. It leaves me stranded, as I now see Obama as the least dangerous candidate. So much for experience.
Yet I don't agree with his views. But we need a mature President, even at the cost of some republican values, in such a case.
What a mess.

Posted by: Gilcatt | September 2, 2008 4:34 AM | Report abuse

After all the accusations in these comments against KOS for breaking the "Trig was Bristol's baby," story, I did a search for 'Bristol' in KOS back to Sept 29. The first first mention of Bristol was the announcement by Sarah Palin (Sept 1) that her daughter was pregnant. That KOS entry was also the first mention of "Trig."

Posted by: frank logan | September 2, 2008 4:40 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a deluded hypocrite who repeatedly primed the pork pumps on the Potomac; and now outrageously claims she was a critic of the Ketchikan-Gravina "bridge to nowhere" when she in fact supported it in her gubernatorial campaign.

Posted by: McCain't | September 2, 2008 4:40 AM | Report abuse

"Sarah Palin is a deluded hypocrite who repeatedly primed the pork pumps on the Potomac; and now outrageously claims she was a critic of the Ketchikan-Gravina "bridge to nowhere" when she in fact supported it in her gubernatorial campaign.

Posted by: McCain't | September 2, 2008 4:40 AM"

I wonder if she told McCain she was initially for the bridge. I'm starting to feel like I wouldn't be surprised if she hadn't. Sounds like McCain didn't vet her at all. That's scary, that he would just trust her. As someone else sadi, what a mess.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:45 AM | Report abuse

I am fearful now that it's only a matter of time before we might find out Gov. Palin's Husband is the father of Bristol's Down Syndrome baby as well as the father of Bristol's current child. This is not good at all.

Posted by: Worried Republican | September 2, 2008 4:50 AM | Report abuse

In this particular case, I believe her daughters pregnancy does reflect directly on a major political issue, namely Palin's support for abstinence-only "education".

Since it doesn't even work in her own household, how can she continue to support it? Of course her appeal to the conservative base is one of the only real positives she brings to the Republican Ticket, so I think it's unlikely she'll come out and admit she was wrong.

But as study after study has shown, you can't do much to stop teenagers from having sex, but you can do a lot to stop them from getting pregnant.

Posted by: miketothep | September 2, 2008 4:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm amused at the "sexist" accusations because this question was asked. Call it sexist all you want, but there's a lot of us females who are asking it. The judgement she shows as a mother is a very good clue to whether she will exercise good judgement in any other situation, gentlemen.

Of course I wouldn't do this to my daughter. But then, I also wouldn't spend 22 hours getting to a hospital when I realized I was not full term & leaking amniotic fluid. I wouldn't risk either the possible fatal infection or the prolapsed umbilical cord, both of which could be fatal to my unborn child. If this was my 5th pregnancy, I wouldn't risk having to give birth on an airplane or making the pilot make an emergency landing. Sarah Palin apparently did all of the above.

Oh, and guess what? KOS apparently didn't start the nasty rumor ... it's been circulating in her home state and KOS picked it up.

I think McCain is having mini-strokes or something. His lack of judgement in choosing Big Oil Barbie for a running mate is only surpassed by her inexcusable choices as a mother.

I wouldn't trust either of them to not sink this country further out of sight than it already is and do it in record time.

Posted by: Keepinitreal | September 2, 2008 4:55 AM | Report abuse

"This isn’t a sexist question."

No. It is a partisan question.

People start writing to make points and inform people. Then they drift into total partisan screeds. People on their side can do no wrong and the other side can do no good.

Adios common sense.

Posted by: Gary E. Masters | September 2, 2008 5:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm confused.... What's to be humiliated by?? She's pregnant... It happens ALL the time... Your mothers were all pregnant at some point! Otherwise you all wouldn't be able to sit at your computers with nothing better to do than judge a girl and her mother - whom I presume most, if not all of you, have never met and therefore by definition do not know enough about to have the right to pass judgement. So what, she's the republican nominee for vice president.... It doesn't matter... Obama will win, so all your bile and contempt for both these women will have been wasted.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 5:09 AM | Report abuse

Yes, the Obama reporters like you who refuse to ignore the subject are the ones who Palin could expect to do the damage to her daughter.

Eugene Robinson, I think that Palin would not have been able to imagine the low level to which reporters like you have sunk this election year.

Your racist, biased and disingenuously political hate-cum-op-ed pieces would be something that would be out of her frame of reference.

Palin is not only going from a state of real men and real women who live real lives, she's diving into the middle of an election discourse governed by some of the most personally destructive, sexist and unhinged ghetto-mentality reporting we have ever seen in a national election.

Thanks for adding your piece to the "teenage daughter sex" coverage that only the sleaziest Obama supporting reporters are contributing to.

I'm shocked that the Washington Post is putting out so many of these teenage daughter sex articles about Palin when it won't even cover Obama's totally corrupt corn ethanol biofuels support at all.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 5:24 AM | Report abuse

In '92, the Clintons were attacked for putting such a young child, Chelsea, through the spotlight. The Obamas were attacked for letting their kids get interviewed. There are some unfair posts going on right now, but those who like to claim it's just one party's supporters, let's be real for a moment.

Posted by: stan | September 2, 2008 5:28 AM | Report abuse

Chuckling at AsperGirl. Corn ethanol scandals.

Posted by: Wow, just wow | September 2, 2008 5:34 AM | Report abuse

Im just glad we live in a society where women are still free to make a CHOICE if they get pregnant...It also makes me feel warm and fuzzy to see the social conservatives have to eat their own dogfood...and to see them care so much about palins privacy, its so touching

Posted by: Cristy Simmons | September 2, 2008 5:37 AM | Report abuse

I agree Cristy, the social conservatives are finally on board with us liberals on not being so judgmental. That baby performed a miracle!

Posted by: Wow, just wow | September 2, 2008 5:41 AM | Report abuse

Gene,
No, I would not expose my child to this process, unfortunately win or lose now, this poor girl will be forever remembered in this election. Should this be part of our political discourse? No. Unfortunately, neither side plays fair anymore. Elitist, Moses, celebrity, all are being bandied about. None of which has truly any relevance, much less a person named Nobamaever; I'm sure that person is fair and balanced. Also, had the shoe had been on the other foot and the Obama camp was the one dealing with this unfortunate issue, you can bet your last dollar that the sons of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove would be ruthless in its pusuit of this story. I could see it now, family values, promiscuity, wondering if abortion was being considered. Pure gutter politics and fear.
I hope that we can concentrate on McCain and his reactionary, kneejerk reaction in the selection process, as well as Palin's connections to Sen Stevens, she worked for one of his 527's.

Posted by: mark | September 2, 2008 5:45 AM | Report abuse

McCain's choices must be questioned.

Posted by: Don Myers | September 2, 2008 5:54 AM | Report abuse

As a black man, you should know the answer to your stupid question. As Obama has said, blacks suffer from a problem of being irresponsible parents (not all, of course).

You are willing to join the assassins bunch (character assassination), you are willing to drag that girl in the mud just for political purposes, just to promote Obama.

You need to focus on your people.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 6:00 AM | Report abuse

Of course Eugene--- you and your best bud Obama--- would do something different. Make the kid have an abortion and then praise womens rights. Obama cannot even answer the question of "when life begins" - he danced around it recently as he dances around everything. This is a family matter for Palin so stay out of it and mind your own business.

Posted by: JIMBO | September 2, 2008 6:06 AM | Report abuse

You mean, she's led her family into the sleazy, personally destructive shredder that the Obama campaign runs?

Whether or not Obama's strategists and machine are explicitly behind these attacks on Palin and her daughter, he is a big source of sexism and misogyny problems this year for women. His refusal to engage or address the sexism he's benefitted from politically this year, makes him part of the problem.

LIke anyone believes that this sexist, sexually fixated feeding frenzy that is so much like the Clinton-bashing we saw earlier this year is not from the Obama camp. I got Obama's number during the misogynistic "journalism" that spewed out this Spring. Whether or not he's behind the sexism, he's refused to discuss or address or act against the vile sexism that he benefitted from so much during primary season.

All of these attacks will turn into an ugly reprise of the Clinton anger against the Obama campaign. The more sickening and contemptuous the dumping on Palin gets, the more Clinton supporters you drive away from the Democrats.

Keep it up, Robinson.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 6:10 AM | Report abuse

Obama agrees with most humans on this earth on the question of when life begins...we don't know. You KNOW, JIMBO. But most people disagree with you. A President should represent more than just the righteous that have all the answers, even though their Messiah warns them not to be so presumptuous when it comes to the most difficult of questions.

Posted by: I value thoughtfulness | September 2, 2008 6:11 AM | Report abuse

And there is no liberal that would force a woman to have an abortion. You lose credibility by making such outrageous statements. We value allowing a woman a choice, including the choice of giving the baby up for adoption to a loving couple. Not a father that claims on his MySpace page that he never wants children. That isn't a good start for a baby.

Posted by: I value thoughtfulness | September 2, 2008 6:13 AM | Report abuse

The only thing that the daughter's pregnancy reveals about Palin is that she didn't do what any Democratic candidate would obviously do in this situation: lie, hide it and have the girl get a quick abortion.

Any Democratic candidate would have done that obvious and no-consequences cover-up, no matter how the kid would have been scarred. Palin's family, if anything, is being beaten up for living their principles.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 6:16 AM | Report abuse

AsperGirl, Clinton supporters can't stand women like Palin. They absolutely can't STAND women like her. They think Republican women that are so socially conservative are the devil incarnate. McCain's pick of Palin was done haphazardly, from pressure for the far right, because he was about to go with Lieberman. It wasn't to get the Clinton supporters. It was to appease the Religious Right.

Posted by: I value thoughtfulness | September 2, 2008 6:19 AM | Report abuse

AsperGirl, you are scary. I pray to Jesus you never have children.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 6:20 AM | Report abuse

WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT TO A CANDIDATE'S DAUGHTER?

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 6:21 AM | Report abuse

SHUT UP! I HATE YOU ALL!! I'M RIGHT AND YOUR WRONG AND I KNOW BECAUSE MY DADDY SAYS SO AND BECAUSE HE TOLD ME WUT TO THINK ANYWAY!!!!!

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 6:23 AM | Report abuse

The only thing this flap reveals is how sexist and sleazy the Obama camp is.

The Obama supporters have sunk so low they're trying to argue that the sex that teenagers have, which through the ages is the classic embodiment of that which is out of control, is a matter that has implications about a political family.

The ghetto woman-haters are out in full force.

All of this sounds just like the crap they did to Clinton for months.

Creepy, sleazy, sexual and contemptuous.

You're all crazed and ghetto.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 6:23 AM | Report abuse

Why would her daughter not be afforded the same privacy that McCain's children have been? The press have effectively ignored his family (one enlisted in the Marines, one Navy, and an adopted Bangladeshi - all adults). Even less has been put out about Biden's family. Again, why would the press shine "klieg lights" on Palin but not the candidate himself?

The only logical explanation would be that focusing on McCain's family would be a positive for his campaign; focusing on Palin's daughter could be a negative (i.e. the "failed mother" argument.)

Posted by: Brian | September 2, 2008 6:25 AM | Report abuse

Wo, take it easy AsperGirl. You really need to learn how to communicate your opinions respectfully.

Posted by: I value thoughtfulness | September 2, 2008 6:25 AM | Report abuse

Now the ghetto haters are posting screeds using my name.

Go back to DailyKos where you take direction from the Obama campaign, indirectly through Kos, to spread the sleaze that Obama denounces to reporters and claims he's distanced from.

This is all coming from the Obama campaign through his online social network of activists, who take direction from netroots organizers at DailyKos.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 6:26 AM | Report abuse

Lighten up and give Governor Palin a chance. There is a great need for new thinking and fresh ideas in government. Sarah has perspective that no one else in power could possibly have. I think she is more than capable of handling the VP job and restoring faith in government. GO SARAH!

Posted by: Bob O | September 2, 2008 6:28 AM | Report abuse

"Why would her daughter not be afforded the same privacy that McCain's children have been?"

This is the Obama campaign. They have two fronts -- the direct stuff from his campaign and the sleazy sexist attacks via his online activists that filter the trashy attacks through his netroots like Kos.

We saw all the same stuff against Clinton this Spring.

This is the same misogynistic, double-standard, woman-bashing stuff that happened against Clinton.

All the ghetto bit*h slappers are out bashing Sarah Pailin. Sex is the biggest political issue back on the table again, just like this Spring.

You all suck. Ghetto mentality haters.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 6:29 AM | Report abuse

But AsperGirl, you're saying the sex of teenagers is out of control? That's not what Sarah Palin believes at all! She says abstinence education works! You know that, right? That she is a major proponent as a public official pushing abstinence education, because it works? Shouldn't we evaluate her political positions?

Posted by: I value thoughtfulness | September 2, 2008 6:29 AM | Report abuse

Wow. AsperGirl is paranoid and into conspiracies. You need help, child. Please get help.

Posted by: I value thoughtfulness | September 2, 2008 6:30 AM | Report abuse

There is no paranoia. This is exactly the same stuff that happened with Clinton this Spring.

You're all crazed and partisan. This focus on the teenage sex Palin's daughter is having is a literate, white collar professional version of hip-hop woman bashing. How many ways can you write about the sex the woman candidate and her family is having and how many ways can you explain it's relevant to her governance? All those articles about Clinton's cleavage, clothes, thighs and sex with her husband. This is no different, just like what we saw this Spring.

This is the level of discourse that the culture of Obama promises for executive women, if we elect him. A white collar ghetto way of of treating executive women like sex bi*ches.

Creepy, sleazy, sexual and contemptuous. Same thing as this spring against Clinton, just in another flavor.

And no, Pailin doesn't promote abstinence personally. Her "feminists for life" movement believes in contraception.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 6:39 AM | Report abuse

Is it a sexist question? I'll reserve judgment on that one.

My question is, when John Edwards (former Dem Pres candidate, in case you forgot) announced that he was continuing his candidacy, DESPITE his wife's life-threatening condition, did you seriously ask yourself the same question? In your own mind, and with your own biases, did you apply the same standard?

In one case, a 17 (almost 18)-year old woman and her soon-to-be husband will need love and support to carry and raise a child. In the other, well, you can draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: asuppes | September 2, 2008 6:40 AM | Report abuse

Palin uses her son too.
Look at the facial expressions she uses as she announces with pride that her son is going to Iraq!!
i wonder if she pushed him out the door.
it is typical for these neo-cons to be patriotic right down to the last neiborhood kid if need be.
There is something unseemly about the religious right.
We need to take our republican party back!

Posted by: John | September 2, 2008 6:42 AM | Report abuse

I don't care about the Palin pregnancy. I am upset at McCain for how he botched this though. If they had simply announced this when he introduced Gov. Palin (here are her five lovely kids ... and her oldest, Bristol, is engaged! Congratulations! Break the glass ceiling anti-choice Hillary voters!) this would not be news. It's the attempted cover-up, and what it reveals about McCain's judgement, character, and impulsive decision-making process NOT the pregnancy, that is the issue.

Posted by: Jake | September 2, 2008 6:43 AM | Report abuse

"Wow. AsperGirl is paranoid and into conspiracies. You need help, child. Please get help."

If this teenage-sex coverage that the pro-Obama reporters and media outlets like the Post is blasting Sarah Palin with wasn't sleazy and irrelevant, why would Obama have told reporters he has nothing to do with it?

As disciplined as his Internet activist and media machine message is, starting and stopping media messages on cue, it's not possible this is out of his control

HIs media shills like Robinson talk right out of his talking points and in coordination with Obama's campaign strategy. Has been all year.

This is trash journalism of misogynists. And it's coming through Obama's media tools like Robinson and Obama's netroots.

This is all Obama, signature misogynist attacks just like this Spring against Clinton.

As far as I'm concerned, this is all woman-hating white collar professional ghetto mentality. It's a perfect reflection of Obama's ugly underside regarding women.

If Obama didn't have such a mommy problem, he would have picked Clinton as his VP.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 6:45 AM | Report abuse

If Sarah Palin was a Democrat, she would have had her kid get an abortion, lie and cover up the pregnancy. Period.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 6:48 AM | Report abuse

A 17 year old having unprotected sex and getting pregnant? Shocking!! Seriously though, this is what you get with abstinence-only sex-ed.....an unwanted pregnancy.
Now, Sarah, if you were a good parent you'd let your daughter know there are these things out there called 'condoms' that actually help prevent unwanted babies. You can actually buy them in stores!

Posted by: mark | September 2, 2008 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Robinson has been coordinated with Obama's messages all year. Robinson going after Sara Palin teenage sex blood is the biggest sign that the Obama camp is pushing this sexist coverage.

This is trash journalism of misogynists. And it's coming through Obama's media tools like Robinson and Obama's netroots from DailyKos. This is all Obama.

This is all Obama, with is signature, behind-the-scenes-coordinated misogynist attacks just like this Spring against Clinton.

If Obama didn't have such a mommy problem, he would have picked Clinton as his VP.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 6:59 AM | Report abuse

You see the biggest Obama tools like Eugene Robinson jumping on this topic. Robinson has been coordinated with Obama's messages all year. Robinson going after Sara Palin teenage sex blood is the biggest sign that the Obama camp is pushing this sexist coverage.

This is trash journalism of misogynists. And it's coming through Obama's media tools like Robinson and Obama's netroots from DailyKos. This is all Obama.

This is all Obama, with all the signatures of his behind-the-scenes-coordinated misogynist attacks this Spring against Clinton.

If Obama didn't have such a mommy problem, he would have picked Clinton as his VP.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 6:59 AM | Report abuse

"Wow. AsperGirl is paranoid and into conspiracies. You need help, child. Please get help."

If this teenage-sex coverage that the pro-Obama reporters and media outlets like the Post is blasting Sarah Palin with wasn't sleazy and irrelevant, why would Obama have told reporters he has nothing to do with it?

As disciplined as his Internet activist and media machine message is, starting and stopping media messages on cue, it's not possible this is out of his control

HIs media shills like Robinson talk right out of his talking points and in coordination with Obama's campaign strategy. Has been all year.

This is trash journalism of misogynists. And it's coming through Obama's media tools like Robinson and Obama's netroots.

This is all Obama, signature misogynist attacks just like this Spring against Clinton.

As far as I'm concerned, this is all woman-hating white collar professional ghetto mentality. It's a perfect reflection of Obama's ugly underside regarding women.

If Obama didn't have such a mommy problem, he would have picked Clinton as his VP.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Democrats tend to forget that teenagers have sex without their parents' permission, and have since the dawn of civilization.

It's easy to forget that when a political family can force the child to have an abortion and cover up the issue so that the problem disappears and the family can pretend they are perfect and superhuman.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 7:08 AM | Report abuse

Shall we talk about Barack Obama's mother now, who got knocked up at the age of 17 by a Kenyan Muslim polygamist who was already married and a father at home in Kenya?

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 7:11 AM | Report abuse

If I were the unwed dad, I'd fear for my life. Maybe not literally. But these people are clearly vindictive. Maybe the state trooper is some sort of monster with a gun. But, you know, he's got a right to hold on to that gun until somebody pries it from his cold dead hands. According to Miss Wasilla.

If Grandmom weren't the flying nun VP GOP candidate, Rush and Michelle would be in overdrive about Dr. Spock and liberal profligate parenting. Well, Ms. Malkin was already tooling down that road with the four-barrel blasting when she went after the Log-Cabin Republican on this subject.

These people believe in the politics of smear. McCain seems to have made peace with the lying sacks that made him out to be the adulterer father of a black love child (and I live in SC and got that infamous push-poll call). In the end have Republicans no sense of decency? Well, no, they'll parade some 17-year-old in a bind like they did Terry Schiavo.

If Americans are too stupid to be revolted by this sort of manipulative behavior, I guess that says everything anybody needs to know about American elective politics. Snake oil, and when that doesn't work, Scalia and Blackwell.


Most revealing? Bristol will get married according to her macho dad and her mom who aspires to be Jeanne Schmidt without embalming. Forget that that's probably a very bad idea. It's the Republican way and she better like it until mom and dad can perform character assassination without evidence and ruin the presumably high school hero teen dad's life.

I will hand it to them that the oil man only abuses the environment with machines and doesn't torture dogs on the IKilledadog Trail.New Frontier in the 49th State.

The truly loony Michelle Malkin deserves special notice in all of this. She chose to tie it in with Mary Cheney. She abominates lesbians, but Democrats are abominable in her little mind for championing Ms. Cheney for standing up to GOP bigotry. Maybe George Will and Safire can pull off that sort of bigoted sophism, but, you know, they can actually write fairly well in the English language, and neither tends to hyperventilate.

McCain's pick? There but for some blonde in a bottle and a couple hundred $million goes the next McCain trophy wife, and it sure gives us the creeps when Mr. Rictus hugs her.

Posted by: prospero | September 2, 2008 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Eugene Robinson is a hack Democrat masquerading as a journalist. Here's a question for you, Eugene; would you murder your grandchild for political expediency?

Posted by: Jonn Lilyea | September 2, 2008 7:13 AM | Report abuse

>> Jonn Lilye wrote: "Eugene Robinson is a hack Democrat masquerading as a journalist. Here's a question for you, Eugene; would you murder your grandchild for political expediency?"

He would if it would get his black candidate elected. You weren't around this Spring to read the trash Eugene Robinson spewed out about Clinton. Eugene Robinson is a soulless, fanatical Obama shill.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Eugene Robsinson... at the heart of the sleazy sexist misogynist attacks on an Obama opponent yet again.

Seems like old times except with "Hillary" crossed out and "Sarah" written in.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

as an person who has worked for sen gene mccarthy and a life long progressive i am no fan of sports casters turned right wing politicians, but this hounding of candidates for their personal lives, the lives of their families and friends has gotten so much attention in the american political process that the real issues facing this country have taken a back seat for so long and so often that we are now facing issues that may be beyond solution. this petty front page treatment of issues like the ones palin is now facing have no place in on the front page, excepting for the national tattler and other cartoons. i am not an supporter of palin et co by any means but can't be happy with putting her and her daughter through the muck. sometimes it seems that the national tattler has become the national standard to out great loss. enough with the daughter and as so her husbands dwi, well if we were to disallow people who have driven drunk from public office the halls of government would be empty as there are well over 50 million who have driven drunk and best guess is that there are 1000000 who will do so today. what kind of issues are these in thew face od a war with muslims that spans the globe, an economy that has yet to adapt to the new world economic order in a country where the schools and infrastrastructure are in dire need of help, while at the same time the pentagon has just ordered 1.1 billion dollars of luxury jets to fly themselves around in? ps you get 9 of those jets for 1.1 billion!!! http:/www.saintpeterii.com

Posted by: Saint Peter II | September 2, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Would you do that to your Grandchild (kill it)?

BTW: This whole argument about her opposing sex education is simply a farce. Sex education in public schools is missnamed. The course should be properly called "Pregnancy and STD Prevention Training." The "sex-ed" title is just a whitewash of what is the true nature of such classes. Kids don't seem to have any problem understanding what sex is, the state thinks it can "help" by promoting this tragedy by giving out condoms and b/c pills, and teaching kids how to use them. Gov. Palin was correct to oppose this mess. I don't think the PSP training would have helped her kid anyway. Everyone knows that they don't pay attention in schools anymore. ADD you know.

Posted by: Former GOP'er | September 2, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Where was Gov Palin when her 17 year old daughter was having sex under her nose? I suspect Gov Palin was probably in the next room with her legs up in the air like her daughters. It appears to me that Gov Palins policy of abstinence for kids doesn't include her kids. She's the typical republican hypocrite that John Mc Cain is only that she has a better looking mug.

Posted by: Artaxxx1 | September 2, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

First of all, had Chelsea Clinton become pregnant before, during, or even after Bill Clinton's presidency, the press would have trashed not only HER, but Bill and Hillary for being rotten parents. Rush Limbaugh said l992 when Bill Clinton won the election, that the Clintons would not need a dog since they had Chelsea!!

We all know what a lovely and devoted daughter Chelsea is, and Bill and Hillary can absolutely take credit for that! I really do not believe that Sarah Palin is a good mother to her five kids. She must NEVER be home, she is obsessed with her own career and agenda!

Now, with the l7 year old pregnant, and also being the one who seemingly is taking care of the Down's Syndrome child, how in the name of God's heaven can Sara Palin find the time to campaign? Has she NO sense of responsibility to her family?

What will happen if and when her daughter does marry. Who THEN will take care of the new baby..... her husband????

I have no respect for this so-called "Family Values" person, and even less respect for McCain for choosing such a selfish, unqualified person to be his running mate! Our country deserves BETTER than the two of them, and I will NOT be helping them get to Washington!!

I am a registered Republican.

Posted by: Amanda | September 2, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

In three days Sarah Palin has been exposed as a child-user and McCain's poor judgment has been laid bare.

I don't care if ALL of Palin's daughters are pregnant -- just stop the lies! Palin has the gall to say she's happy with Bristol's "choice". She could have left it as they look forward to their first grandchild or something...but wait, would it their FIRST grandchild?

It is so hypocritical for a pro-lifer to applaud any woman's reproductive choices. Hello, isn't that what they're trying to do away with?

Even with sex-ed still in effect, her own daughter got pregnant. How many more pregnant teens would there be if Palin abolishes sex-ed in schools like she wants to?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 7:41 AM | Report abuse

WOW former GOPer. You really believe that because kids dont pay attention in school, then they shouldnt be taught about the dangers of unprotected sex and family planning. In that case, we should probably stop teaching math and grammar, since kids arent paying attention anyway.......


But on the issue of Palin, it just reinforces the overall self-interest and hypocracy of politicians who will do anything they have to to gain some sort of power and recognition....even take a mistake by your 17 year old daughter and put it on the front page of every newspaper in the world. Great parenting from the party of family values.

Posted by: Eddie | September 2, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Now tht Republicans are offended by intrustion of the press into a candidate's personal life and bloggers distorting facts to smear her, maybe they will insist that their supporters cease butchering Obama's name in an attempt to associate him with terrorists. Maybe they will be vocal in denying to their supporters that Obama is a Muslim. Maybe they will apologize for their supporters slinging mud in the past at their opponents, e.g., Ann Coulter smarmily saying that Max Cleland, a Vienam vet who is a triple amputee, that his injuries are his fault as he is so clumsy or the Swiftboaters deriding McCain's POW experience and accusing him of being a traitor. Republican supporters behavior in campaigns of the past 16 years have been punctuted by continual mud slinging, engaging in character assassination, etc. It is laughable that they now feign indignation at what is being said about Palin; they invented the smear campaign and have never apologized for it.

Posted by: ChuckB | September 2, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

SHE SUPPORTS ABSTINENCE ONLY AND IS ANTI-ABORTION.

she uses trig as a friggin talking point!!

this is VERY relevant.

Posted by: mike | September 2, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

This is all so depressing! I was going to vote for Obama anyway, but why on earth would McCain pick this trainwreck? I haven't seen the nation so divided - EVER!

I am begging my GOP husband to vote for Barr - anything to dilute the McCain vote.

I mean, even if Sarah Palin were to pull a Harriett Meier and "withdraw" her nomination - we've already seen what horrific judgement McCain has. And we thought Bush was a "Decider"??? McCain makes Bush seem thoughtful.

Posted by: Mollie in ATL | September 2, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

If no one should pay attention to the intersection between a politician's private life and the things they tell the public, should we all ignore Larry Craig's lies about his bathroom adventures as well?

The thing that gets these losers is never what happened in the bathroom, the bedroom, or the Oval Office...it's their arrogance belief that they are entitled to lie to regular folk and still gain elected office.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Why is it that nobody was concerned about the Obama family when Barack was having his wife and children sit under a racist pastor preaching hate on the southside of Chicago?

Would the Republican candidates get the same hands-off treatment by the news media if they had their families being taught by hate-filled pastors? If this was the case, there would be no end to the judgment questions from the news media.

By the way, there would be no Barack Obama if an unwed eighteen year old girl got an abortion 47 years ago.

Posted by: JimMF | September 2, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

What would be a first would be for a presidential candidate to admit they made a mistake by picking a running mate with too many issues, and beg his party for forgiveness while he picks out a new running mate.

No one has been enough of a maverick to do this though....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

At the time Sen. McCain's vice-presidential offer was accepted, both Sarah Palin and her husband knew that (1) they have a 4 month old special needs baby and (2) they have a 17 year old unmarried pregnant daughter. That the Palins thought this was the appropriate time for them to enter the international spotlight is a reflection on their poor judgment. Sadly, it is their own family who will suffer for their inability to control their political ambitions.

Posted by: Karen | September 2, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

What happened to Obama's injunction to leave the families and kids out of the election?

You say Palin brought her daughter into it, but it was the baying of you hounds about who was Trig's mother, and every other thing you could come up with a perverted theory about that forced them to announce.

You really disgust me, Mr Robinson. You take a high tone, but you are right in the gutter with Kos, Huffpo, and Colmes.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

I support Obama but feel this article is out of bounds.

Posted by: DirtyHarry | September 2, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Whoa, you right wing hacks are really out of ammo if all you've got left in the shed is advocating for a hypothetical past abortion of a current U.S. Senator and Presidential candidate and bringing up a pastor that Barack Obama broke relations with publicly.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Oh, waaaahh.... The GOP evangelists don't like us peeking into their bedrooms!!!

Too freaking bad - how do "y'all" like it now?

And by the way, this progressive Democrat can NOT relate to this story. The teenage girls in my family, while not Beauty Queens, are all applying themselves in school, sports, music and . Nope - no bombshell teenage pregnancies/shotgun weddings in this family. Maybe because we have a family tradition of NOT pimping our little girls out.

Could it happen? Sure, but I guarantee we wouldn't be rallying around celebrating her decision to "choose life"!

Is it me, or are the GOP evangelicals just plain confusing? I don't get them...

Posted by: Lone Dem in Fulton County GA | September 2, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

1.) Obama, their Presidential candidate, giving thousands of dollars to a racist pastor spreading hate on the southside of Chicago. Also, Obama has his family sit under this hatemonger. BAD JUDGMENT!!!!

2.) Obama, their Presidential candidate, is friends with an unrepentant terrorist, Bill Ayers, and raises money with this despicable character. BAD JUDGMENT!!!

3.) Obama, their Presidential candidate, thinks Iran is a tiny country and not a serious threat. BAD JUDGMENT!!!!

4.) Obama, their Presidential candidate, wanted to RETREAT-IN-DEFEAT when things weren't going well in Iraq. No country would risk a future military partnership with America if they cannot count on a commitment by America. EXTREMELY BAD JUDGMENT!!!!

5.) Far-left radical Obama not only is for partial birth abortions, he is for allowing infanticide if it is in conjunction with an abortion procedure. EVIL JUDGMENT!!!!!

Posted by: JimMF | September 2, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

JimMF,

Does Sarah Palin even know where Iran is? (No, "where oil comes from" isn't the right answer.) McCain can't get Sunni and Shiite straight.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

how in the heck are they turning this woman into some saint. she isn't. her family values would be foisted on us and she can't live up to them herself. I'm sick and tired of seeing excuses for this woman about everything going on. she's had shady dealings, the home life is in a crunch... you would think she would think more of her child than her ambition...please some of us are not falling for the damsel in distress mess.

Posted by: divamore | September 2, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Palin thought that the media would act in a decent manner and not go crazy over the news about her daughter's pregnancy. She was wrong for presuming any decency in the media.

Posted by: Rick | September 2, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Teenage daughters of "progressive" Democrats can have a daughter that gets an abortion without a "progressive" Democrat parent even knowing about it DUE TO "PROGRESSIVE" DEMOCRAT LAWS.

So don't be so sanctimonious about your children because you don't know if she had an abortion or not.

Posted by: JimMF | September 2, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

So, let me get this straight - if I choose to keep my baby my parents will be happy I'm pregnant?

And I CAN date older guys???

Whoo hoo! Awesome!

Posted by: Hypothetical Teenage Girl in the Bible Belt | September 2, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

A politician who thinks the media is going to be "decent" isn't ready to lead this country.

By the way, the media is a lot nicer than Putin.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin, please focus on your family.

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Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Mitt Romney is preparing his acceptance speech.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

We feel sorry for Bristol Palin. This is appropriate, but we really need to ask why her situation is so pitiable. The deepest tragedy in all of this stems from her own mother's strong vocal and public support of abstinence-only sex education. It is the implicit assumptions that underlie support for abstinence-only sex education that damn and condemn poor Bristol.

What are these assumptions? Chief among them is that unmarried women should not have sex at all, therefore knowledge of birth control and safe sex practices is not necessary. Furthermore, this is sold as a moral issue: "Good girls don't have sex outside of wedlock". Within the context of her own family's strongly proclaimed moral code, Bristol is now an irredeemable "bad girl". This is not a condition that has any basis in reality, but is strictly a consequence of her own mother's (and like-minded religious nuts') religious moralizing.

Poor Bristol must now live with guilt that she doesn't deserve, thanks to her mom.

Posted by: Bubba Bob | September 2, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

You are correct, JimMF. Progressive dems are not immune to the woes of teeneage pregnancy. Fortunately, the odds are in our favor because in our world, we teach sex ed and advocate birth control/condoms. Oh, yeah - and we "pray" they abstain - if only because they need to be focusing on their future - not boys.

Sorry - but I believe there is nothing saintly about teenage pregnancy! And you guys are sending a very confusing message to America's girls, with this nomination.

Posted by: Lone Dem | September 2, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

My maternal instincts are livid that any mother would knowingly put a 17-year old girl in the harsh glare of public opinion like this where she is made out to be a laughing stock -- the poster child for Abstinence Only sex education. Imagine the embarrassment this girl must feel, especially if she is a fundamentalist Christian, to have her unwed pregnancy status announced on national television. Palin knew this when she accepted the invitation? This is a "devoted" mother? The woman with a razor thin resume is not fit to be next in line without this. With it, I don't think she is fit to be president of the PTA. John McCain knew this? What kind of monsters are they?

And, it really doesn't dispel the rumors around Trig either. All the bizarreness of that birth narrative remains. I suppose it doesn't matter -- the myth of perfect family has been shattered and all that is left to debate are the ethics of abortion. We will hear endlessly how she walks the walk. Well, let me tell you, we really aren't there on the issue of walk the walk because her views on this are extremist. No exceptions for rape or incest or health of the baby or the mother unless a doctor has determined the mother WILL die trying to carry and deliver the baby. So. Women are wombs. 99% chance of death and its fetus over mother of five, one of whom is a special needs child. Fetus over beautiful daughter whom one says they love unconditionally (now that she has done the "right" thing.)

I know abortion is a sensitive and personal subject. Theatrically making this wedge issue front and center in some sort of cultural war is the only rational for what otherwise seems a senile moment pick. That they would publicly humiliate a seventeen year old girl to be the lightning rod is jaw dropping.

But yes. This is a private matter. Of course. Except Sarah Palin and the GOP think they have license to insert themselves and what they would do into the delicate matters of everyone else. We are above being mean or unkind and are left to only imagine the vicious field day and lack of anything that remotely resembled compassion the Ann Coulters and Rush Limbaughs would have with this juicy tidbit had the tables turned.

Posted by: Sara B. | September 2, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Other than the fact that I would never let my teenage daughter date a man who is over 21, I really don't think this is any of my business. I would never vote for McCain or Palin because of their politics--their children's mistakes have no bearing on my choice.

Posted by: ron | September 2, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Eddie,

Just to follow up... From the national testing scores, teaching math and reading for most is irrelvant today, unless reading text messages is what you have in mind. Most of the high tech jobs are being shipped out to India and China where they actually study in school and don't support sex in bathroom stalls or between teachers/students. Kids just have sex in schools and after school when their parents are at work. America has become Sodom and Gomorrah land or Fornicationlandia. Bill Clinton, Larry Craig, John Edwards, Monica Lewinsky, Gay Marriages, polygamist compounds, internet porn, nothing surprises me anymore. Don't be so sanctimonious Dems, your own candidate is the son of polygamist Muslim.

Posted by: Former GOP'er | September 2, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

How about the word "decision". "We are proud she decided to have her baby." A pro-life family never considers any other option and as a pro-life democrat (and Obama supporter), I found the use of the word troubling.

Posted by: m | September 2, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

I applaud the forgiveness, compassion, and understanding the Palin parents have shown toward their pregnant, unwed teenager.

Now, what an excellent time to use that same spirit of forgiveness, compassion, and understanding to discuss:

--Gay rights in America, focused on gay civil unions, gay marriage, and gays in the military.
--The right of women to follow their own consciences and their doctor's advice in determining whether to have an abortion.
--Adequate health care, immediately, for all Americans.
--The need to do more to help less fortunate Americans to get a home, an education, or a job.
--The need to impose more fair taxes on super-rich Americans, to help pay for the above.

I look forward to the Republicans, in general, and their evangelical Christian wing, in particular, joining the Democrats in discussing the above issues in the same spirit of love, understanding, and compassion they have shown toward an unmarried, pregnant teenager.

Let the debate begin.

IT'S THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, STUPID

Posted by: GeorgiaSon | September 2, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Condemn the messenger! That's the McCain’s way. I wonder if he and all Republicans realize that Democrats have family values too?

Gene's observation is right on and should be the primary consideration by a parent - protect and do what is in the best interest of the child. I can't imagine subjecting my daughter to the events that are sure to follow Bristol. To paraphrase the Clinton campaign in 1992, "it ambition stupid"!

Posted by: Boog | September 2, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

NO ONE has a problem with someone whose daughter happens to get pregnant at 16. (LIFE HAPPENS)

What every woman voter I have spoken with-(and many men for that matter) have a HUGE PROBLEM WITH IS WHAT SARAH PALIN STANDS FOR!!!

Is John McCain really that stupid that he would think people wouldnt see the Earth-shattering IRONY in the fact that he meets with this woman TWICE in this life before electing her and that if elected, she would--

1. Preach ABSTINENCE EDUCATION only for Sex Ed to the rest of our daughters when it failed miserably in her own family

2. BAN CONTRACEPTION for the women of this country!-(ARE YOU KIDDING US)?????

3. If the daughters of America are VICTIM of RAPE or INCEST, she would actually REFUSE THEM the right to a safe and legal abortion, even when the woman's life is in danger????

This is an insult of HISTORICAL PROPORTION to women nation and world-wide. If John McCain thinks the women of America are going to sit by, and let this completely unqualified HACK destroy the rights we have worked for centuries for, then he has another think coming!!

This choice does nothing but highlight McCain's horrible judgement and complete disrespect for women in this country.

VOTE VOTE VOTE

NO WAY, NO HOW, NO MCCAIN!!

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Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Can you believe that John McCain said he'll have to ask his staff to find out his position on contraception, when asked by a reporter what his position was. This is the moron that wants to run our country. He just loves digging holes for himself.

Posted by: HemiHead | September 2, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Why did the Obama campaign ignore the sexist attacks on Clinton's family this Spring?
Why has the Democratic Party said there was no sexism this Spring?
Why are the nation's feminists ignoring this?
Is this how we treat female executives?
Yes, you can scratch out "Hillary" and write in "Sarah"!

Why did the Obama campaign ignore the sexist attacks on Clinton's family this Spring?
Why has the Democratic Party said there was no sexism this Spring?
Why are the nation's feminists ignoring this?
Is this how we treat female executives?
Yes, you can scratch out "Hillary" and write in "Sarah"!

Why did the Obama campaign ignore the sexist attacks on Clinton's family this Spring?
Why has the Democratic Party said there was no sexism this Spring?
Why are the nation's feminists ignoring this?
Is this how we treat female executives?
Yes, you can scratch out "Hillary" and write in "Sarah"!

Why did the Obama campaign ignore the sexist attacks on Clinton's family this Spring?
Why has the Democratic Party said there was no sexism this Spring?
Why are the nation's feminists ignoring this?
Is this how we treat female executives?
Yes, you can scratch out "Hillary" and write in "Sarah"!

Why did the Obama campaign ignore the sexist attacks on Clinton's family this Spring?
Why has the Democratic Party said there was no sexism this Spring?
Why are the nation's feminists ignoring this?
Is this how we treat female executives?
Yes, you can scratch out "Hillary" and write in "Sarah"!

Why did the Obama campaign ignore the sexist attacks on Clinton's family this Spring?
Why has the Democratic Party said there was no sexism this Spring?
Why are the nation's feminists ignoring this?
Is this how we treat female executives?
Yes, you can scratch out "Hillary" and write in "Sarah"!

Why did the Obama campaign ignore the sexist attacks on Clinton's family this Spring?
Why has the Democratic Party said there was no sexism this Spring?
Why are the nation's feminists ignoring this?
Is this how we treat female executives?
Yes, you can scratch out "Hillary" and write in "Sarah"!

Why did the Obama campaign ignore the sexist attacks on Clinton's family this Spring?
Why has the Democratic Party said there was no sexism this Spring?
Why are the nation's feminists ignoring this?
Is this how we treat female executives?
Yes, you can scratch out "Hillary" and write in "Sarah"!

Why did the Obama campaign ignore the sexist attacks on Clinton's family this Spring?
Why has the Democratic Party said there was no sexism this Spring?
Why are the nation's feminists ignoring this?
Is this how we treat female executives?
Yes, you can scratch out "Hillary" and write in "Sarah"!

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else wondering why her 17 year old daughter is constantly photographed holding the 5 month old? What is she, his wet-nurse?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

If she was your daughter she would have had an abortion to protect the ambitious drive to the general election win.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

This is for all the stupid comments on ABSTINENCE EDUCATION:

Cities that have the most liberal sex education programs with condom distribution and safe-sex education also has the highest out-of-wedlock births.

Posted by: JimMF | September 2, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Will all of the right wingers push back from the Kool Aid for just one minute and honestly admit (if not to others but to yourself)the real reason why unwed, teenage pregancy has become an issue in this campaign. First clue, it's not because Mr. Robinson or the media at large are doing their job by asking reasonable questions about the decision making and motives of a presidential ticket and frankly the background of a fairly unknown Vice Presidential candidate.

This moral issue is currently trumping the war, the economy, renewable energy, healthcare, etc, etc, because because you guys (i.e. the Kool Aid drinkers) has made it an issue! But not just with this campaign but everyone for the past 8 years. We had the first year with Bush because abortion rights advocates were savvy enough to know Bush would govern in a term with open Judiciary seats and they smelled an overturn of Roe v. Wade. We had the second term of Bush (not because he did a good or even fair job the fist time)but because Rove and the neocons made the election about defining marriage as One Man, One Woman and tying this to initiatives placed on voting ballots across the midwest and the south. I know it's hard to keep up with all this stuff but remember when gays wanting to get married (i.e. have a monogamous relationship and start a family)was the biggest issue facing this country 4 years ago (not the war, the economy, healthcare, education,etc). And after it was all said and done what did the moral right get for all their fervor, hardwork, donations and vote. Yes, you guessed it scandals in bathrooms, sexual advances on pages, marriage in CA and civil unions in MA. Although the scandals happened on both sides of the aisle, the right side that believes moral behavior should be legislated were the greatest offenders and hypocrites to date. With all that said and with all due respect to Mrs. Palin whom I admire for her accomplishments as a fellow woman, I truly question her judgement and that of McCain for parading her "All American" story before us last Friday and pronoucing her the Right's answer to the few remaining disenfranchised Hilliary supports.

Let's get out of this higher than though thinking and acting and realize we are all human born in sin and capable of fallicy and will always full short because we are but flesh. Let's leave moral behavior correcting and judging to the Alpha and Omega and leave earthly human rights and securities to legislators. Healthcare should be a human right in this country, security against enemies both foriegn and domestic, job opportunities, housing, sustainable energy sources... these should be the issues facing politicians NOT moral nuances that seem to change depending on who is involved.

Note to the moral right, if you don't want personal, private, moral issues on the front page of the paper and all over the news, maybe YOU SHOULD STOP making it an issue yourself!

Posted by: DCKelly | September 2, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Why in the world would a woman, pregnant with her 5th child, get on an airplane past her 7th month of parturition? I mean, surely she knew it was counter-indicated by now.

Is she phenomenally stupid? Did she disbelieve the medical advice she'd gotten (over and over and over and over again)? Or was 44 years old and simply "didn't know" she was pregnant? Maybe Trig wasn't a particularly lively in-utero and she simply thought she was going through menopause.

Still, it gives me pause. Not to mention that they've known their daughter was pregnant and while they're "celebrating" that fact, why aren't they "celebrating" their MARRIED 17 year old daughter being pregnant. Why wait? Particularly when Mom was getting vetted for the VP slot. Quick ceremony at the county courthouse would have worked nicely, if they couldn't get their usual minister to provide the service in a timely fashion.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Nothing is off limits. Palin knew that before she tried to disguise her daughter's condition behind her 5th child and a baby blanket on the national stage.

It is good that the Palins are standing by their daughter. They should. The parents created the situation their daughter is in today. Also, consider that it is better both from a "values" and political standpoint. I think we can all agree that, in most instances, life over abortion is desirable.

What will be bad is any situation where Palin gets any closer to the White House than her current, untidy little spot way up there in Alaska.

Posted by: Erik in CLT | September 2, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I've been a psychotherapist for 37 years. I question Palin's judgment and commitment to family because on top of everything else Sarah Palin knew she'd be dealing with when she accepted the VP offer, she also knew her daughter was five months pregnant.

Now thanks to his MySpace page and The New York Post we know the father of the child is very immature:

___ "But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some s- - - and just f - - -in' chillin' I guess."

____ "Ya f - - - with me I'll kick [your] ass," he added.

____ He also claims to be "in a relationship," but states, "I don't want kids."

These kids need counseling before what I expect will be their discrete quickie marriage. Most likely the entire Palin family needs counseling.

I wrote a lot more about this here:

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/11128

Posted by: Hal Brown | September 2, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Gene-

I understand the inclination to wish this poor girl's situation weren't made into a political issue, but unfortunately, it very much should be. This girl is the daughter of a politician who is a "firm supporter of abstinence-only sex education in public schools." And not just any politician now, but one who could very well be a future President (sorry, VP to a man in his 70s, I'm just examining the possibilities here) and thus, possibly making nominations to the Supreme Court.

This girl is a very good example of how well abstinence-only education works.

Now, in answer to the question in your title: no, I wouldn't do this to my child. She's already under a massive amount of stress in her own life, and now she's got all of the US and some overseas media covering her situation as well. I also seriously wonder if she was really planning on marrying the father, as is now claimed in damage control. Is she now being forced into marriage because of all of this? I hope not.

(I've also not read through ALL of the comments here, it's very possible I'm repeating what someone else might have said. sorry!)

Posted by: cake in the UK | September 2, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Look at the ones who are making moral judgments!!!!!

It's the "open-minded" liberal Democrats.

She should have done this. She should have done that. What a bunch of HYPOCRITES!!!!!

Posted by: JimMF | September 2, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

AGAIN!!! This is for all the stupid comments on ABSTINENCE EDUCATION:

Cities that have the most liberal sex education programs with condom distribution and safe-sex education also has the highest out-of-wedlock births.

Posted by: JimMF | September 2, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Was it fair what Edwards did, pulling his wife along while she has stage 4 cancer? No. I don't care if she 'wanted' it, because sometimes you have to do what is best for your family and make sure they're not sacrificing for you (plus he was cheating on her too... great man). That was the biggest clue that let me know Edwards was a slimeball, faster than any haircut.

The same goes for this woman who can't take the time to teach her daughter about condoms and now wants to spend LESS time with her family.

Posted by: epthorn | September 2, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

No, I wouldn't do that to my daughter.
What was McCain thinking? Is he that scared of a Democratic landslide in November that he would gamble like that? The choice of Palin indicates so. His recklessness has sunk any chances for the GOP this year because, while teenage unwed pregnancies are not unusual, it will, nonetheless,leave an odor over the ticket.

Posted by: Brian Pelton - Whidbey Island, WA. | September 2, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Gene
Why would any parent want to put his/her daughter under this kind of spotlight----under the best of circumstances? I think Plato was right-"Anyone who aspires to power should never wield it."

Posted by: Brent | September 2, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Jim,

While you're pontificating, would you please go pull up the raw data on who is getting pregnant, where they are in the U.S. and how old they are. You seem to have the interest and possibly the time.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

McCain says he knew about the pregnancy before asking Palin to run. So this was ok with him? What mother is so self-absorbed that she would put her teenage daughter through such public disclosure and torment? And, did I read that the 'husband-to-be' is in his 20's. Isn't having sex with an underaged girl considered a crime in Alaska?

What does that say about McCain's judgement? What does that say about the republican's vetting procedure? Maybe John McCain isn't a 'maverick.' Maybe he's unstable.

Sounds like the republicans need to urgently nominate another candidate.

Posted by: aghast | September 2, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Liberal Democrats criticize working women and question the time she spends with her family ONLY if she is a CONSERVATIVE.

HYPOCRITES!!!

Posted by: JimMF | September 2, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Hold up a minute here.

From where I sit, the pregnancy of a 17-year-old is a terrible failure, on the part of BOTH parents and daughter.

But perhaps we should consider the possibility that, in the Palin family, this development may be greeted with love and with joy ?

Bell Clement
Washington, D.C.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Anyone- ANYONE- can have a child who gets pregnant- you can teach birth control and abstinence and self-esteem and values- but it happens. That is not my issue- my issue is with the conservatives that Sarah Palin represents who want to tell the rest of us what to do and how to be- a woman belongs at home raising her children, if you have pre-marital sex, you are a bad person(sinner). Now that it is one of "theirs"- it is all ok. I am also very concerned that this girl is being forced to marry to make this "right" in the eyes of her mother's constituency.

Posted by: andrea | September 2, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

I feel badly for Bristol Palin - her mother's candidacy has made her pregnancy front page news. I don't think I'd do that to my teenage daughter, but then I don't think I'd agree to be a VP candidate if I had a Down's Syndrome infant.

But women have choices, and what works for me isn't the same as what works for Gov. Palin.

I have to wonder, though, at McCain's thought process in choosing Palin to be his running mate. No family is perfect, but to put a glaring example of his party's "abstinence education" failure in the spotlight seems unwise. I suspect that the Republican position will be to make it about abortion, and continue to ignore sex ed and birth control - which if effective, makes the abortion issue moot.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

AGAIN!!! This is for all the stupid comments on ABSTINENCE EDUCATION:

Cities that have the most liberal sex education programs with condom distribution and safe-sex education also has the highest out-of-wedlock births.

Posted by: JimMF | September 2, 2008 8:51 AM

Which goes to show, what? That cities have the highest out-of-wedlock births. To whom? All women (including those with education and jobs)? Teens in high school? Teens in college? You mean, cities have more people so therefore you will see more pregnancies to begin with?

I still don't understand why the sexually active teenager in Europe seems to manage NOT to get pregnant while the American teenager seems to be incapable of preventing his sperm from meeting up with her egg. His inability to "just say no!" should be commented upon.

Bristol may be the one to show, but he's just as culpable, irresponsible and stupid. Seems to go hand-in-hand with adolescence, sad to say.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

IfMost women who already know an abortion would be ruled out do not choose to have that test. Palin is radically anti-abortion, why would she have had the pre-natal test that let her know the expected baby had Down's syndrome?

Posted by: ja | September 2, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Moral judgements??? Wanting to keep America's teenage daughters from getting pregnant teenage pregnancy is not a "moral judgement"! Its a public health, mental health and fiscal concern. Big difference!

I am not judging this poor girl - but I am questioning the public policies of not taking more drastic measures to prevent teenage pregnancy.

Fortunately, this girl and baby won't suffer the same financial problems most pregnant teenage girls will.

Posted by: Lone Dem | September 2, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Did she have the test? All I know is she has a five-month old baby in the house who has Down's syndrome.

Simply getting tested was increasing the risk of a premature birth or a miscarriage. Surely she knew that.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

We have many examples of liberal sex education programs with safe-sex education and condom distribution in liberal cities.

The results are in with out-of-wedlock birthrates in those liberal cities.

THEY ARE ABJECT FAILURES!!!!!!

So quit the pontificating on abstinence education.

Posted by: JimMF | September 2, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Hold up a minute here.

From where I sit, the pregnancy of a 17-year-old is a terrible failure, on the part of BOTH parents and daughter.

But perhaps we should consider the possibility that, in the Palin family, this development may be greeted with love and with joy ?

Bell Clement
Washington, D.C.

Presumably it's a failure of the other parent-to-be and HIS parents. She doesn't strike me as being a turkey-baster kinda gal. Not at 17 anyway, when we were all young and high on our hormones.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

This is how they did Hillary, jeering and bashing her over sex
While all their coverage of Obama was about how smart and great he was
Late night comedians joking about Hillary Clinton's sex life
Washington Post articles covering her cleavage, pant suits and thighs
Obama supporters sandbagging Chelsea at college talks, asking about her father's sexuality

The Obama campaign benefitted from all the misogyny and sexual picking at Clinton
The Democrats claimed there was no sexism in the primaries
The Obama campaign takes the position their candidate didn't benefit from sexism

This is how they did Hillary
This is how they did Hillary

The Democrats are mainstreaming the tactic of sexual picking at female executives
The Democrats are mainstreaming the tactic of sexual picking at female executives

This is how they did Hillary
This is how they did Hillary

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

We have many examples of liberal sex education programs with safe-sex education and condom distribution in liberal cities.

The results are in with out-of-wedlock birthrates in those liberal cities.

THEY ARE ABJECT FAILURES!!!!!!

So quit the pontificating on abstinence education.

Posted by: JimMF | September 2, 2008 9:05 AM

Cite them. Be specific. Raw data is best, not statistics (math swizzling). But let's not be lazy, Jim. Pull up the stats for the nation, identify all hot spots. Do not overlook teenage pregnancy rates (that includes those who opted for marriage).

Because, as you no doubt are aware, the teenage pregnancy rate was highest in the 50's. Yeah, a lot of them got married, but let's not mix up apples and oranges.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

what do we know about palin?

we know that she earmarked 27 million dollars for her small town.

we know that she flipflopped on several issues...bridge to nowhere, ect.

we know that a)she "wants to know exactly what it is that a vice president does?", and b)she "doesn't know much about the iraq war".

we know that she is willing to sacrifice time and attention for her newborn special needs child to run as vp.

we know that she is willing to ship her pregnant child off to an aunt while she devotes her time to campaigning.

family values, foreign policy knowledge, fiscal responsibility...yeah...right...whatever.

Posted by: jazzgrrrl25 | September 2, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Get a grip Eugene - you lost your credibility with me during the primaries. Now you have lost my respect - you sound like one of the internet bloggers with an agenda and no intelligence.

This is a family matter and how she has chosen to deal with it reflects her values. You may agree or not with her values, but when you start judging it, then I lose hope for mankind. (How you are dealing with it, shows your prejudice.)

If she shouldn't run for office because of this family matter - then let me tell you there are a number of mothers (both black and white) who shouldn't be going to work at McDonalds because they have more serious issues to deal with at the home front. How progressive are you, if this is what you think?

Prseidents and VPs do have a personal life too and they manage it just fine whether in the media spotlight or not (go back and look at the lives of the Kennedy, Ford, Regan, and Clinton families if you want to stick to the recent past).

Posted by: IllinoisMom | September 2, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Damn if she didn't, damn if she did - that's what Mrs. Palin had found herself in when she publicly revealed about her daughter's pregnancy. But Mr. Robinson, seemingly righteous indignation, observes that -

"There are lots of other issues involved with Bristol Palin’s pregnancy, chief among them her mother’s far-right views on sex education and abortion. But what’s truly awful is that the girl’s pregnancy would be reduced to “issues” at all.

Yes, it is "truly awful" but isn't that what Mr. Robinson exactly is doing?

Posted by: rizaalj | September 2, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Homesower. How the Palin's deal with this issue is none of our business.

What is our business is that this shows the utter failure of right wing policies. Abstinence only does not work even in a very conservative and family values family.
People have a right to ask if it is wise to put her daughter through this media circus.

It also points out the hypocrisy of conservative talking heads. I heard Joe Scarborough say this morning that the children of candidates have been off limits until two days ago and now the media is attacking Bristol Palin.

Not true. Right wing poster boy Rush Limbaugh suggested Chelsea Clinton was the White House dog. She was younger than Bristol Palin. Funny how conservatives conveniently forget that. Not one conservative chastised Limbaugh for his wreteched and disgusting personal attack on Miss Clinton.

There are issues in this event that are worthy of discussion and even need discussing. The Palin's descisions in regard to the pregnancy or not one of them.

Posted by: Adrasteia | September 2, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

AsperGirl: We get it. You were a conservative who was going to vote for Hillary just because she was a woman. When she did not receive either the President or VP spot you decided to vote McCain regardless of who he selected and the political ideology of that ticket. You are now fighting the lonely battle against sexist forces in the media and internet to ensure that McCain/Palin are elected and can eliminate a woman's right to chose. Kind of ironic huh? You are supposedly standing up for women by working to ensure that the government (still mostly white men) can tell you what to do with your body. Sounds like a good plan...

PS,
I am voting for Obama/Biden (big surprise I know) and therefore I negate your vote/non-vote and make your opinion meaningless...Certainly makes me feel better about my vote, how about you?

Posted by: A simple truth | September 2, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

RE: Out-of-wedlock births

The liberal laws on abortions for teenage girls must be considered for any perceived successes in safe-sex education and condom distribution. There are teenage girls getting abortions that are not part of the statistics.

Posted by: JimMF | September 2, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Palin's soap opera life is distracting voters from hearing the McCain message. The campaign can only hope the entire tangled mess goes away and does not take too many voters with it. If it fails to do so, look out.

Palin will be off the ticket in two weeks.

Posted by: Orbiter Dictum | September 2, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

This is how they did Hillary

It was all about sex in her family, her sex life, her cleavage, her pant suits.

It made her look and sound dissonant when she tried to talk policy.

All the focus on her sex life and her family's sex lives.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Palin's soap opera life is distracting voters from hearing the McCain message. The campaign can only hope the entire tangled mess goes away and does not take too many voters with it. If it fails to do so, look out.

Palin will be off the ticket in two weeks.

Posted by: Orbiter Dictum | September 2, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

This is how they did Hillary, jeering and picking at her over sex
While all their coverage of Obama was about how smart and great he was
Late night comedians joking about Hillary Clinton's sex life
Washington Post articles covering her cleavage, pant suits and thighs
Obama supporters sandbagging Chelsea at college talks, asking about her father's sexuality

The Obama campaign benefitted from the misogyny and sexual picking at Clinton
The Democrats claimed there was no sexism in the primaries
The Obama campaign takes the position their candidate didn't benefit from sexism

This is how they did Hillary

Obama supporters mainstream the tack of sexual picking at female executives

This is how they did Hillary

It was all about sex in her family, her sex life, her cleavage, her pant suits.

It made her look and sound dissonant when she tried to talk policy. No one listened to her or took her seriously after all the sexual jokes, tirades and judgments.

All the focus on her sex life and her family's sex lives.

This is all Obama's doing. His campaign pulled this tactic out once before, smuggled into mainstream media shills here and there by DailyKos hate speech artists and forgers and frauds who cook up the smeares.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

So its OK for a male politician to run for political office even if he will expose his family to media scrutiny, but it is oh-so-terrible if a woman did it. How many male politicians out there have ran for office while exposing their family to the media hounds?

I'm a man and I already detest the connotation behind your innuendo. IT IS A SEXIST QUESTION DESPITE YOUR PROTESTATIONS TO THE CONTRARY. So Eugene, I'm a little wrong about you. I thought you were only a hypocrite and a reverse racist, now I think you're also a sexist. I thought you were a journalist, not a political hack.

Posted by: logicaldoubtofhumansanity | September 2, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Once agian people are blaming the media for reporting a story. Why is no one questioning the McCain camp for not being upfront with this. They are the ones who left this girl out to hang. IF they truely had know about this before they asked Palin to run as VP then they should have just introduced Palin and said this is her family and this is how it is. No secret, no story. The McCain camp are the ones who have made this something to hide and but this girl in the spotlight.

Posted by: scdem | September 2, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

PLEASE people. I DESPISE that this woman has CHOSE to make her life public and make PUBLIC her daughter's pregnancy in this matter and then people are like don't talk about it. Why did she talk about it? Why do Conservatives across the nation continue to talk about it? Because it's the big pink elephant in the room. This isn't about her daughter's pregnancy. This is about how she is sacrificing some element of privacy in her family, especially regarding something that could be so mentally damaging to her teen daughter, so she can be VP.

I would have not accepted the VP position knowing that my daughter was pregnant and it would bring unneccessary publicity to her. I would have told the party that they could come talk to me in another four years once my daughter had her baby and got through her marriage.

And on the baby daddy's MySpace page he indicates he doesn't want kids. This is not a young couple in love. They got caught and now they have to get married (with Sarah's shotgun at their back) to save face. Because it's bad that she dated the boy for one year and got pregnant. But it's not bad that she has to marry a boy she has dated for only one year in an effort to do right by her pregnancy, and run the risk of getting divorced years later because they really didn't want to get married.

We solve one problem by fixing it with a whole other problem.

Posted by: Niki | September 2, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I'm an Obama supporter, and strongly anti McCain and Palin. That said, there are thousands of women who have 5 or more children, including at least one special needs child, and work full time jobs - ranging from cleaning staff, McDonalds, supermarket cashiers, to doctors, lawyers, teachers and professors. No one other than those mothers (many of them single mothers) worries about whether their kids are getting a fair shake, just whether Mrs. X will show up on time and do her job so the line continues to run or the phones get answered or the schedule runs well.

I am anti McCain because of his positions, and his selection of Palin reinforces my belief that I do not want him as POTUS, because her expressed (and thoroughly vetted) political beliefs are in line with McCain's. But I am not about to question Palin's parenting decisions. As Obama has already said, that's off the table.

Posted by: vklip | September 2, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I don't think the issue is really Bristol Palin, although Robinson makes a good point with the "would you do this to your daughter?" question.
We all know had this involved the daughter of Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden, the right wing would've been howling about the decadent left wing and how sad it was that the child had to grow up in a family that did not value abstinence.
Sure, leave Bristol Palin alone, but raise the question: Was Sarah Palin's endorsement of abstinence only education a wise one? Teens - even children of conservative Christians - will have sex. If the message didn't get through to Bristol Palin, then why would Governor Palin try to foist it on other people's children?
The question is one of judgement in public policy, as well as a question of John McCain's cynical calculation that he could rally the base further by presenting his ticket mate's family as under siege by the awful "liberal" media.
And one more thing: people who are adamantly pro-life would not even consider abortion, so the idea that Governor Palin chose to keep her own Down Syndrome infant or that she would've entertained any thought of her daughter having an abortion is nonsense. If the right wing wants to celebrate the Palin choices, then it tacitly admits that there is value to legalized abortion, as it affords women the right to choose to bring the pregnancy to term.
Even for the right wing, "it's a choice, as well as a baby".

Posted by: mkevinf | September 2, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

McCain/Spears '08!

Posted by: Female Voter | September 2, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Liberal Democrats criticize working women and question the time she spends with her family ONLY if she is a CONSERVATIVE.

HYPOCRITES!!!

Posted by: JimMF | September 2, 2008 8:56 AM


This is way talking to conservatives is so frustrating.

Liberal Democrats criticize working women and question the time she spends with her family ONLY...when she espouses and belongs to the party whose platform is family values. Values that include abstinence only, shaming those who get pregnant out of wedlock, and women staying home and tending their families.

I guess that shame heaped on unwed mothers is only for minorities and the poor who don't look like Sarah Palin and John McCain. If you have family values then your family can do no wrong. If you are black or hispanic then your are just a bunch of immoral tarts.

If you are a conservative Republican then working and raising children is noble, if you are liberal then you're a selfish, grasping witch.

Sound about right?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Gene,
Simply stated, please don't have the audacity or arrogance to tell other people how to raise their children.

Posted by: Baxter | September 2, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Girls that don't feel that they're loved by their parents, especially from their father, are at the highest risk of getting pregnant.

Sarah Palin's decision to trot Bristol out under the spotlight, hoping that she could conceal her pregnancy with a blanket and Trig shows how much love this poor girl is getting from her parents.

Also, whether Bristol's boyfriend is still in high school, on his way to college, or not continuing his education, he now has to deal with the same kind of harassment thanks to Sarah Palin.

The odds were already stacked against the kids' marriage working out. With this, will the baby's father ever be able to forgive his future wife's family for putting him in this embarrassing position?

A mom who wants the best for her child would never allow this to happen!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=244796355

The boy, poised on the very edge of Christian-conservative fatherhood and themes of family?

Posted by: Erik in CLT | September 2, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Re-read AsperGirl's posts, Gene; she's absolutely right.

You're "throwing the kitchen sink," doing "anything to win," intruding where you shouldn't, so Obama won't have to.

This is not journalism anymore. It's advocacy for one candidate, while breaking your own "standards" to diminish the other with tactics you would literally scream about if done to yours.

You and Markos et al , are actually HARMING your own candidate by running to the gutter, again.

You'll just disgust more Americans by doing this, resulting in more staying home in November. Advantage, McCain.

Stop now, Eugene.

Posted by: Mary | September 2, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Aspergirl, take an aspirin. You are obsessed with sex.

Posted by: Adrasteia | September 2, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Once again Sen McCain has shown himself to be a milliary man--defeat the enemy at all cost. McCain is using the Palin family and unfortunately Sarah Palin is allowing it to happen to her daughter. Years from now and after the dust settles, I'm sure they'll ask themselves the question, "was it worth it?" and the answer will most likely be no. Everyone is saying it's a private matter but when she accepted the nomination, it became a public matter.

Gene, you are right and unfortunately Republicans are playing the gender card with you and the American people. As a mother and grandmother, I say Sarah Palin needs to get her family out of world-wide spotlight. I wish them the best.

Posted by: A Mother's Response | September 2, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Of course I wouldn't do this to my daughter. And that's why I'm not a big shot politician or, to be completely honest, a fundamentalist Christian. I wish Bristol the very best, and hope that she is strong enough to endure what's going to be coming her way over the next 3 months, or more. Poor kid!

Posted by: clarity graphics | September 2, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

This is how they did Hillary, jeering and picking at her over sex
While all their coverage of Obama was about how smart and great he was
Late night comedians joking about Hillary Clinton's sex life
Washington Post articles covering her cleavage, pant suits and thighs
Obama supporters sandbagging Chelsea at college talks, asking about her father's sexuality

The Obama campaign benefitted from the misogyny and sexual picking at Clinton
The Democrats claimed there was no sexism in the primaries
The Obama campaign takes the position their candidate didn't benefit from sexism

This is how they did Hillary

Obama supporters mainstream the tack of sexual picking at female executives

This is how they did Hillary

It was all about sex in her family, her sex life, her cleavage, her pant suits.

It made her look and sound dissonant when she tried to talk policy. No one listened to her or took her seriously after all the sexual jokes, tirades and judgments.

All the focus on her sex life and her family's sex lives.

This is all Obama's doing. His campaign pulled this tactic out once before, smuggled into mainstream media shills here and there by DailyKos hate speech artists and forgers and frauds who cook up the smears.

DailyKos coordinates closely behind the scenes with the Obama campaign. This sexist attack is not against Obama's will or out of his control

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

To all those who wish to blame the Democrats, or the media, for the brutal and shameful attention that Bristol Palin is being subject to, please examine this issue more soberly.

First: Whose rhetoric is it that demonizes unwed mothers? Has Mr. Robinson EVER said anything to imply that a teen mother is a bad or morally flawed human being? Is that the drumbeat you hear from liberals? No, that message comes strictly from religious and social conservatives. If Bristol has to hide her actions from view, it is because of the asinine and vicious moralizing of religious and social conservatives.

Second: Abstinence-only sex education is a major national policy issue. All research has shown that abstinence-only sex ed is a complete failure. Since Bristol's mom has aspirations for the second highest post in the world, and since Bristol's mom is a major proponent of that failed policy, it is unavoidable that Bristol will become the public face of the failure of abstinence-only sex education. With America's teen pregnancy rate being the highest in the industrial world, the issue of effective sex education is every bit as valid as other issues like the price of oil, the real estate crisis, the war, etc. Yet again, who made abstinence-only sex ed a national issue? Who lobbies for it? Who pushes for its adoption in schools across the land? Not Mr. Robinson. Not liberals. Not Democrats. It is you social and religious conservatives who made this an issue. You can't remove the issue from the agenda for debate simply because reality is now rubbing your collective noses in your own ignorance and prejudice.

Third: America NEEDS this debate. American women NEED this debate. We need to move beyond the Dark Age hypocrisy of the social and religious conservatives that would hide and isolate the Bristols of the nation behind a silent veil of shame. We need to encourage girls to discover and explore their sexuality without guilt. We need to give them the tools and the resources to cope with that sexuality intelligently and responsibly. We need to purge from our society the puritanical attitudes that force humiliation upon so many of our country's women. As a society, we really need to grow up and come to terms with our own misconceptions, no matter how Holy or righteous they may seem. We need to do so for Bristol.

Posted by: Geezle | September 2, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Where do all of you live in a cave? This is the way of life , through out the United States. To show unconditional love and support to a child who has gotten pregnant, should be the norm, not a one person thing. Obama stated, 'he wouldn't want his child PUNISHED by having a baby'. All people live with a portion of their houses made of glass, are you ready to throw rocks through only a few of them. We all try to teach our children by example, even the best of families have issues.

Posted by: jp,michigan | September 2, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

No Democrat would ever let their daughter face this.

No, they would spirit her off to an abortion clinic and kill the baby!

Now wouldn't that be more considerate.

Posted by: In the Middle | September 2, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully, this was not Gov Palin's decision, but her daughter and that her and her husband are supporting it. We cannot be responsible for everything our children do and her career should not suffer for mistakes her daughter make. She and her daughter are individuals, and her daughter made her choice. I am more concerned about the baby. On stage, that baby did not move, was it drugged up?

Posted by: Be Fair | September 2, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

The question is not Palin, as others have noted Sarah has obviously trumped and spoken for her daughter.

The question is McCain. How ANYONE could trust him after this is beyond belief. It would be one thing if he admitted that he were as surprised as we are, but no -- the lies just keep pouring in.

More than anything the Obama people tried during the Democratic convention tieing Bush and McCain together like Siamese twins, McCain shows and proves the point -- political gain for the sake a lie trumps integrity left, right and center in today's GOP.

The last time a VP was so thoughtlessly vetted was Thomas Eagleston for McGovern. With the grace of an honest, and caring god, McCain will go the way of McGovern.

Posted by: Ethan Q | September 2, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Half you people are morons. Nobody suggested Bristol should have an abortion and nobody is blaming Sarah for her raising of her kid (though it does bring into question her views on making abstinence only education mandatory in schools, but from an effectiveness standpoint). The issue is HOW a parent could subject her daughter to this. If Sarah had revealed the news two weeks ago it would have hardly made the press after she got picked as VP, revealing it now is a terrible thing for Bristol.

- Brian from Alaska

Posted by: Brian | September 2, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

The baby's father is also 17, not in his 20s. I made the mistake believing that a 20-something kid in Wasilla named Levi was the boyfriend. But The campaign outed the real kid and dad-to-be, Levi Johnston, last night and stated his age as 17. Bet his family is loving this as well. Were they consulted on this decision?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully, this was not Gov Palin's decision, but her daughter and that her and her husband are supporting it. We cannot be responsible for everything our children do and her career should not suffer for decisions and/or mistakes her daughter make. She and her daughter are individuals. I am more concerned about Gov Palin's baby. On stage, that baby did not move, was it drugged up?

Posted by: Be Fair | September 2, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully, this was not Gov Palin's decision, but her daughter and that her and her husband are supporting it. We cannot be responsible for everything our children do and her career should not suffer for decisions and/or mistakes her daughter make. She and her daughter are individuals. I am more concerned about Gov Palin's baby. On stage, that baby did not move, was it drugged up?

Posted by: Be Fair | September 2, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

The only ones putting this 17 year old girl through he11 is the democrats.

I guess she should have the fetus killed off, that's the democratic answer.

Thank God Obamas, mother didn't think in these terms, for had she, the world would not have witnessed the second coming of the Messiah.

Left up to the democrats, Barack himself would have been killed off in the womb.

Posted by: Dashriprock | September 2, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Thank you for putting into words exactly how I felt as soon as I heard about her daughter. I can't even begin to imagine putting my own daughter through this public scrutiny at such an emotional and personal time of her life. Ms. Palin is only 44 years old. She has many years to make her mark on the national political scene, to improve her political skills and gain more experience but only now to make a difference in the life of her daughter and of her other children, particularly her young son. I believe that it would have been a sign of character and family values for her to have declined McCain's offer and put her family first.

Posted by: June | September 2, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

It is ridiculous to see liberal Democrats making moral judgments on ANY family, conservative or not, since they have cried about conservatives making moral judgments for decades.

Your daughter may have been pregnant and received an abortion without your knowledge due to liberal abortion laws pushed through by liberal Democrats. Liberal Democrats set up a system where they see no evil and hear no evil when it comes to the moral failings of their own children.

FOR THAT REASON, YOU HAVE NO GROUNDS FOR CRITICIZING THE MORAL FAILINGS OF ANY FAMILY!!!!!

Posted by: JimMF | September 2, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

What was John McCain thinking when he picked her without trememdous vetting? Now look at the mess, it will look like an old patchwork quilt answering constant issues rather than answering real issues that the US is facing.

As an Independent voter, I now know what I'm doing! John made it easy. He threw over experienced people for an unknown who is a nut job running all around the country, putting her life/family at risk, doesn't sound like a stable, grounded individual. Plus 3 days after her baby's birth she goes back to work! What did she do pass off her newborn to someone else so she wouldn't bond with that challenged child!?

I am a working mother but you use your brain and bond with your child. You don't take your personal ambitions ahead of your children's issues. If she had paid more attention to issues at home while working she could have known that her most vunerable child now is having a child. They aren't prepared to be parents but I guess they are following their own parents example.

Well John made it easy for me now...off to the Dems to vote for the 2008 election.

Posted by: Jean D-St. Petersburg, FL | September 2, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Isn't that kind of a silly question, Mr. Robinson? Politics is going to be very rough on families whether the children are pregnant or not. Mrs. Palin is no more and no less thoughtless than any other major political candidate, in my opinion. Between the hate-filled rantings like those you can hear on talk radio (or read in this comments column) and the breathless, lascivious press coverage, no scandal, real or made up, will be left unexplored in lurid detail by both "journalists" and the public. It appears to be part of who we are. Seems to me I read some comments about that sort of thing in a book once; featured a guy named Jesus who got nailed to a post for pointing out stuff like that, along with being a troublemaker in general.

Posted by: JohnR | September 2, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

The teen pregnancy thing is a non-starter as an issue. By almost any measure she is not qualified to be in the second chair as VP. This is the real issue. Living somewhat close to Russia not does not constitute international experience. Her energy policy is the same as bush/cheney (Drill, Drill Drill). There are more people in my hometown than in all of Alaska, My sub-division has more people in it than the town she was mayor of. She has never run a business or made a payroll. The General in charge of the National Guard in Alaska says she has had no role or interest in the guard or national defense. There are enough strikes against her that shows her as non qualified for VP.

Posted by: Andre | September 2, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

eugene... doing what best for her daughter?

Is obama doing what's best for his extremely young daughters?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Had Palin aborted her Downs child and had her daughter aborted her pregnancy, then she (Palin) would be praised for excercising her right of choice. These criticisms from the Democrats are the worst form of hypocracy.

Posted by: David | September 2, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I can't wait to read AsperGirl's posts after Palin is forced to back out of the VP candidacy. The oldy but goody, "distraction" speech.

Posted by: Lone Dem | September 2, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Gene -

Between your and Bob Herbert's (oh, and let me throw in Clarence Page) defenses of this "New" ultra liberal Democratic politics, you both are increasingly tempting this young, independent thinking, African-American professional to vote for, and possibly join, the GOP.

Do you not have any principles yourself? Are either of you capable of being journalists that do not where their politics on their sleeves? I don't think I'm alone.

AL
Bowie, MD

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

If you really feel sorry about the girl.. Please leave her alone now. Before this news break out. The democrat blog already trash the teen by speading rummer that the Down syndrome infant is the teen's baby. So Robinson, as a reporter... please stop now! Those reportings bring shame to the reporters.

Posted by: caroline | September 2, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

For many years, my mother worked in a public health clinic. One of her duties was conducting pregnancy tests, and I can't tell you how many born-again, home-schooled nice Christian girls she got in there. Their parents couldn't afford private education and they wanted to protect their kids from the Evils of Modern Society. The problem is that unless you are home with your kid, not only are they NOT getting the benefit of an actual education, they are also left with lots of time on their hands and no extra-curricular activities such as one of those evil secular schools might provide to keep them busy. Governor Palin's daughter seems to have been the victim of just such a situation. And her own bad judgment. By the way, the sex education I got in school made it very clear that sex before you are emotionally and, for that matter, economically, prepared for the consequences is NOT a bright idea. It probably saved more than a few vulnerable kids from making serious mistakes

Posted by: mpatton | September 2, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

"No Democrat would ever let their daughter face this."

No, they would like, push the kid into having an abortion and make the problem "disappear".

And the mainstream media would ignore the story even if the kid was running around hotels with her guy.

Even if the National Enquirer headlined the story.

We've already been through something like this with the Dems, it's called "John Edwards". The press ignored it for months. When forced by public statement of Edwards, into not ignoring it anymore, the Post put up a couple of simple articles.

What we're seeing here is a sexual shark feeding on a female candidate.

This is what they did to Hillary.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

As a Big Brother to an hispanic high school senior who has lived most of his life in the projects, I've been trying to inculcate views of personal responsibility, chastity, respect for women, and awareness of public and reproductive health...but to no avail as I was advised a few weeks back that he and his 15 year old girlfriend were parents. I was also advised that he loved the girl much less than the girl loved him. There's been no talk of marriage as the kid has hardly a spittoon to spit in: he's got a future in healthcare as a result of his sterling high school record. He has no father and his so-called guardian totally dropped the ball when advised of the potential danger my Little Brother was getting into (yes, he told me he was hanging out with an unsupervised 15 year old female). I'll certainly do my best to support the young man's educational ambitions, as modest as they are at the moment. That's really his only salvation... But now we have Sarah's saga of teenage reproductive disaster as a national example and the right wingfers at the ramparts of responsibility are falling short: this little incident seems to be OK and if it's OK for a VP's offspring, then maybe it's OK for any kid in the USA...a wonderful example, indeed...fortunately Bristol has a supportive upper middle class family to fall back on. Most kids are not so lucky. I hail the radical wing nut right for empathizing with Bristol's predicament. It shows that there's some compassion in their souls; would that they show as much Christian compassion to those children less fortunate than their offspring!

Posted by: Richard | September 2, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

"This isn’t a sexist question. It would also be asked of a male politician in her position."

Eugene Robinson says that it would be asked of a male politician.

Except if that male politician isn't a woman and named "John Edwards".

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Dobson is defending Palin's choice to sacrifice her daughter to public ridicule and humiliation in the name of family values. (While these may be the Spears family values, they're not mine.) Anyway, I thought Dobson was all for Family First. It's obvious that Sarah Palin is all about Country First. Or is that motto just code for raw ambition at the expense of all else? Anyway, in making Bristol the national poster child for the failed abstinence only policy, the Focus is sure on her Family. Maybe Bristol can answer that 3am call when she's up for the 2 o'clock feeding.

Posted by: eed017 | September 2, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Gene,

Please separate politics and family;

Here are the facts, undeputed and undeniable; in most liberal (your community) we would have never known because a child would have been aborted; according to many Obama and Biden alike, this could be done in the 3rd trimester or even with partitial birth abortions;

We need to get beyond your obvious petty politics and ask her position on the housing crisis that threatens the global financial system? How would she handle Iraq if we are told to leave and then three months later civil war breaks out and Iran and Saudi Arabia threaten to join the conflict. How will she balance the budget and fund social security and growing entitlements? What is her plan for energy independence? Why doesn't she think global warming is manmade?

Please ask her the questions that we, the people, are not in a position to. We deserve to know her for her political viewpoints, not her family issues. Your petty comments do not help anyone; oh & as an "reporter" could you perhaps at least try to just report & ask intelligent questions, Thanks

Posted by: Bruce | September 2, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Ah, the great cesspool known as liberals are out here attacking Palin. For what? For the fact that she decided to run for office and allowed the cesspool to attack her family! The irony is too delicious!

Posted by: ArlingtonHokie | September 2, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Eugene,

I do not think that your concern about Palin's daughter's privacy is best expressed by what you have written here. Surely,by continuing a discussion on this subject, you are not helping her get on with her life.

I think Obama got it right when he suggested that Palin's daughter's pregnancy has nothing to with her record as governor or her ability to be V.P. He added that his own mother had him when she was 18.

Obama's mother and her child turned out just fine. I am sure the same will be the case with Bristol and her baby.

Posted by: Steve Albert | September 2, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

As a non-american I just hope you end up with a leader capable of excercising good careful rational judgment. If he also has the ability to bring different countries and cultures together through understanding and cooperation rather than through unilateral bullying, then that would be great. For your own (financial) sake as well as for the sake of global security.

I don't really care if he is an african-american-change-guy or a lower-your-taxes-maverick-guy.

Posted by: Simen from Norway | September 2, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I've thought about your question. As a mother I cannot imagine putting myself in that role with so many needs at home -- a special needs infant and a teenage daugher who is on the verge of motherhood.

But that is me. I also cannot imagine being the govenor of a state. Or a national politician.

We are not in her shoes and not able to judge.

At the same time, McCain has clearly taken a huge risk on an unknown, unvetted VP choice. I question if such a clearly political decision points to a leader we can trust with our lives and safety as POTUS.

It is scary.

Posted by: Thunder | September 2, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Eugene:

Your guy Obama has been pimping out his kids for months now and I haven't heard a peep out of you. I was disgusted by that four part Extra interview. What responsible parents expose kids of that age to TV interviews? Those girls should be shielded and protected from the cameras, the way Chelsea Clinton was. Instead, we see more of the same from Barack and Michelle Obama (the kids with the Obamas on People magazine, etc.). And you, Eugene, have the gall to complain about Sarah Palin's daughter? You disgust me.

Posted by: Gordy | September 2, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

This is what they did to Hillary Clinton -- sex jokes, sex judgment, sex picking so she couldn't be heard

This is what they did to Hillary Clinton

Same DailyKos-originated smear tacks and storylines, same reporters feeding the DailyKos ghetto trash spins into mainstream

Same DailyKos-originated smear tacks and storylines, same reporters feeding the DailyKos ghetto trash spins into mainstream

Same DailyKos-originated smear tacks and storylines, same reporters feeding the DailyKos ghetto trash spins into mainstream

Same DailyKos-originated smear tacks and storylines, same reporters feeding the DailyKos ghetto trash spins into mainstream

This is what they did to Hillary Clinton

This is what they did to Hillary Clinton

This is what they did to Hillary Clinton

This is what they did to Hillary Clinton

This is what they did to Hillary Clinton

This is what they did to Hillary Clinton

Same DailiyKos generated storylines, same Obama fanatic reporters feeding it into the mainstream dialog

This is what they did to Hillary Clinton
This is what they did to Hillary Clinton
This is what they did to Hillary Clinton
This is what they did to Hillary Clinton
This is what they did to Hillary Clinton
This is what they did to Hillary Clinton


Same trashy reporters, same sexist, sexually oriented judgments and jeering, same tone of condescending, judgmental elitism

Obama supporters sandbagging Chelsea Clinton at college forums, asking about her father's sexuality

Obama supporters sandbagging Chelsea Clinton at college forums, asking about her father's sexuality

Obama supporters sandbagging Chelsea Clinton at college forums, asking about her father's sexuality

Obama supporters sandbagging Chelsea Clinton at college forums, asking about her father's sexuality

Same trashy reporters, same sexist, sexually oriented judgments and jeering, same tone of condescending, judgmental elitism

Same trashy reporters, same sexist, sexually oriented judgments and jeering, same tone of condescending, judgmental elitism

Same trashy reporters, same sexist, sexually oriented judgments and jeering, same tone of condescending, judgmental elitism

Same trashy reporters, same sexist, sexually oriented judgments and jeering, same tone of condescending, judgmental elitism

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

It has also come out that Sarah Palin's first child was born less than eight months after she eloped with her husband. Like mother, like daughter?

Posted by: reg | September 2, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

You conservatives are such hypocrits. You can't wait to shove your noses into people's sex lives and choices if they are poor or minorities.

It's different, however, when it's the attractive daughter of a gun-toteing, ultra-conservative, ex-beauty queen.

You embarrass and shame yourselves.

Posted by: Schadenfreud | September 2, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Not in a million years would I do this to my daughter. Shame on the Palins for putting their political careers ahead of their family.

Posted by: Poor Girl | September 2, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Barack Obama's mother was knocked up at age 17 by an alcoholic, polygamist, already-married Kenyan Muslim who abandoned them.

Barack Obama's mother was knocked up at age 17 by an alcoholic, polygamist, already-married Kenyan Muslim who abandoned them.

Barack Obama's mother was knocked up at age 17 by an alcoholic, polygamist, already-married Kenyan Muslim who abandoned them.

Barack Obama's mother was knocked up at age 17 by an alcoholic, polygamist, already-married Kenyan Muslim who abandoned them.

Barack Obama's mother was knocked up at age 17 by an alcoholic, polygamist, already-married Kenyan Muslim who abandoned them.

Barack Obama's mother was knocked up at age 17 by an alcoholic, polygamist, already-married Kenyan Muslim who abandoned them.

Barack Obama's mother was knocked up at age 17 by an alcoholic, polygamist, already-married Kenyan Muslim who abandoned them.

Barack Obama's mother was knocked up at age 17 by an alcoholic, polygamist, already-married Kenyan Muslim who abandoned them.

Barack Obama's mother was knocked up at age 17 by an alcoholic, polygamist, already-married Kenyan Muslim who abandoned them.

Barack Obama's mother was knocked up at age 17 by an alcoholic, polygamist, already-married Kenyan Muslim who abandoned them.

Barack Obama's mother was knocked up at age 17 by an alcoholic, polygamist, already-married Kenyan Muslim who abandoned them.

Barack Obama's mother was knocked up at age 17 by an alcoholic, polygamist, already-married Kenyan Muslim who abandoned them.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Eugene Robinson is a sexist and a racist, which was very much on display during the Dem. primary. Here he is raising his sexist head again against Gov. Palin and her family. He is so in the tank for Obama he can't think straight, let alone write an objective article. I'm sure the Palin family can handle their affairs, who are we to judge? Obama's mother was an unwed teen. You can't live in a glass house and throw stones.

Posted by: harris | September 2, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

My sentiments exactly!!!! Life is utterly terrifying for any young unwed mother ….and now to have her shame displayed on a national stage…a shotgun wedding? I hear. AND what about the unborn child…to have such a spotlight on him/her as it comes into the world. How traumatizing…I hope Palin makes better decisions about our nation than she has about her own family.

Posted by: katha Underwood
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You do know this is the twenty-first century? Do you believe what you are saying? Shame? Just keep on attacking this woman and her daughter this way and the republicans will win the presidency the vice presidency, and all state elections.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

For people asking the question if this would be brought up if she were a man, the answer is yes. You're forgetting that people doubted John Edwards ability when he wife had cancer. Now that there's another politician with several more ethical issues on their plate, we have a right to aske the same question.

Posted by: rosidae | September 2, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

If Palin aborted the Downs syndrome baby and her daughter (who got pregnant like a lot of 17 year olds) got an abortion, they'd be the Democratic ideal to the Obama supporting judgmental, sexist, woman-bashing elitists.

If Palin aborted the Downs syndrome baby and her daughter (who got pregnant like a lot of 17 year olds) got an abortion, they'd be the Democratic ideal to the Obama supporting judgmental, sexist, woman-bashing elitists.

If Palin aborted the Downs syndrome baby and her daughter (who got pregnant like a lot of 17 year olds) got an abortion, they'd be the Democratic ideal to the Obama supporting judgmental, sexist, woman-bashing elitists.

If Palin aborted the Downs syndrome baby and her daughter (who got pregnant like a lot of 17 year olds) got an abortion, they'd be the Democratic ideal to the Obama supporting judgmental, sexist, woman-bashing elitists.

If Palin aborted the Downs syndrome baby and her daughter (who got pregnant like a lot of 17 year olds) got an abortion, they'd be the Democratic ideal to the Obama supporting judgmental, sexist, woman-bashing elitists.

If Palin aborted the Downs syndrome baby and her daughter (who got pregnant like a lot of 17 year olds) got an abortion, they'd be the Democratic ideal to the Obama supporting judgmental, sexist, woman-bashing elitists.

If Palin aborted the Downs syndrome baby and her daughter (who got pregnant like a lot of 17 year olds) got an abortion, they'd be the Democratic ideal to the Obama supporting judgmental, sexist, woman-bashing elitists.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

how can both parties say to keep the "family" out of the political process. BOTH parties have brought out the family to be in the national spotlight for their own benefit...period!

Posted by: sabestu | September 2, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Do you honestly think Barack and Michelle have the best interest of their two young children at heart.

Look all politicians care about one thing themselves

I know you are a left wing hack but at least try to appear to be balanced

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Why is the media buying the explanation that the reason Palin released the information about Bristol being five months pregnant was to counter the Internet rumor her own baby was really her daughter's?

It makes much more sense that she revealed this because Bristol's baby bump would be showing in a month and she wouldn't be able to hide it.

What did she plan to do in order to get her totally out of the public spotlight?

Shameless self-promotion with more of my thoughts on Palin here: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/11128

Posted by: Hal Brown | September 2, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

would it be better to have this girl go true the rest of her life feeling that because of her, her mother had to give up the chance to be the president of the united states of america. or to say hey you messed up girl, we can't change it, it's going to be rough going but together win or lose we'll see it trough

Posted by: ajohnt | September 2, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

This is what they did to Hillary Clinton and then said there was no sexism

This is how Democrats treat female executives, and then say "there was no sexism, shut up and get on board"

This is what they did to Hillary Clinton and then said there was no sexism

This is how Democrats treat female executives, and then say "there was no sexism, shut up and get on board"

This is what they did to Hillary Clinton and then said there was no sexism

This is how Democrats treat female executives, and then say "there was no sexism, shut up and get on board"

This is what they did to Hillary Clinton and then said there was no sexism

This is how Democrats treat female executives, and then say "there was no sexism, shut up and get on board"

This is what they did to Hillary Clinton and then said there was no sexism

This is how Democrats treat female executives, and then say "there was no sexism, shut up and get on board"

This is what they did to Hillary Clinton and then said there was no sexism

This is how Democrats treat female executives, and then say "there was no sexism, shut up and get on board"

This is what they did to Hillary Clinton and then said there was no sexism

This is how Democrats treat female executives, and then say "there was no sexism, shut up and get on board"

This is what they did to Hillary Clinton and then said there was no sexism

This is how Democrats treat female executives, and then say "there was no sexism, shut up and get on board"

This is what they did to Hillary Clinton and then said there was no sexism

This is how Democrats treat female executives, and then say "there was no sexism, shut up and get on board"

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

There you go, Robinson, acting like the high and mighty, as the fill-a-quota must do to make the liberal bosses happy. Why don't you go sit with the jerks at msnbc you are in good company with.

Posted by: The Truth | September 2, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

"Is Sarah Palin doing what’s best for her daughter?"

"This isn’t a sexist question."

I'm so glad that Eugene can decide for all of us what is sexist and what isn't since he has so much experience with the issue.

Posted by: Eli | September 2, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

The Democrats want women to have freedom to choose

And the Democrats will bash and humiliate women who choose life

They will call them stupid and trashy and unfit to hold office

The Democrats want women to have freedom to choose

And the Democrats will bash and humiliate women who choose life

They will call them stupid and trashy and unfit to hold office

The Democrats want women to have freedom to choose

And the Democrats will bash and humiliate women who choose life

They will call them stupid and trashy and unfit to hold office

The Democrats want women to have freedom to choose

And the Democrats will bash and humiliate women who choose life

They will call them stupid and trashy and unfit to hold office

The Democrats want women to have freedom to choose

And the Democrats will bash and humiliate women who choose life

They will call them stupid and trashy and unfit to hold office

The Democrats want women to have freedom to choose

And the Democrats will bash and humiliate women who choose life

They will call them stupid and trashy and unfit to hold office

The Democrats want women to have freedom to choose

And the Democrats will bash and humiliate women who choose life

They will call them stupid and trashy and unfit to hold office

The Democrats want women to have freedom to choose

And the Democrats will bash and humiliate women who choose life

They will call them stupid and trashy and unfit to hold office

The Democrats want women to have freedom to choose

And the Democrats will bash and humiliate women who choose life

They will call them stupid and trashy and unfit to hold office

The Democrats want women to have freedom to choose

And the Democrats will bash and humiliate women who choose life

They will call them stupid and trashy and unfit to hold office

The Democrats want women to have freedom to choose

And the Democrats will bash and humiliate women who choose life

They will call them stupid and trashy and unfit to hold office

The Democrats want women to have freedom to choose

And the Democrats will bash and humiliate women who choose life

They will call them stupid and trashy and unfit to hold office

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Asper is bitter

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Wow. The depths of Aspergirl's paranoia and obsession with sex is truly astounding. Think I found a subject for my Master's Thesis.

Posted by: Adrasteia | September 2, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

would it be better to have this girl go through the rest of her life felling that because of her, her mother had to give up the chance to be the vice president of the united states of america. or to say hey you messed up girl, we can't change it it's going to be rough going but together win or lose we'll see it trough

Posted by: ajohnt | September 2, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Speaking as a grandmother who helped raise her own granddaughter (with love and incredible joy!) ...

Joe Biden said it best, and lived it, too, by the way. Anyone can be a senator but these kids will only have one dad. It's not about "quality" it's about "quantity", being there for them WHEN THEY... THEY ... need you.

The magazine interview I want to read is how in the heck she gives her children the stability and consistency and undivided attention they need. Only after that can I decide if she's off her rocker or has her feet planted solidly on the ground.

Posted by: Linda | September 2, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

If Palin aborted the Downs syndrome baby and her daughter (who got pregnant like a lot of 17 year olds) got an abortion, they'd be the Democratic ideal to the Obama supporting judgmental, sexist, woman-bashing elitists.

If Palin aborted the Downs syndrome baby and her daughter (who got pregnant like a lot of 17 year olds) got an abortion, they'd be the Democratic ideal to the Obama supporting judgmental, sexist, woman-bashing elitists.

If Palin aborted the Downs syndrome baby and her daughter (who got pregnant like a lot of 17 year olds) got an abortion, they'd be the Democratic ideal to the Obama supporting judgmental, sexist, woman-bashing elitists.

If Palin aborted the Downs syndrome baby and her daughter (who got pregnant like a lot of 17 year olds) got an abortion, they'd be the Democratic ideal to the Obama supporting judgmental, sexist, woman-bashing elitists.

If Palin aborted the Downs syndrome baby and her daughter (who got pregnant like a lot of 17 year olds) got an abortion, they'd be the Democratic ideal to the Obama supporting judgmental, sexist, woman-bashing elitists.

If Palin aborted the Downs syndrome baby and her daughter (who got pregnant like a lot of 17 year olds) got an abortion, they'd be the Democratic ideal to the Obama supporting judgmental, sexist, woman-bashing elitists.

If Palin aborted the Downs syndrome baby and her daughter (who got pregnant like a lot of 17 year olds) got an abortion, they'd be the Democratic ideal to the Obama supporting judgmental, sexist, woman-bashing elitists.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

At last the White House will have an occupant who proudly admits he is a f#*kin' redneck!

Posted by: patriot76 | September 2, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Robinson's concern for Palin's daughter is oh so touching. As Robinson wipes away his crocodile tears, let's talk about our college age kids who use drugs like cocaine. Where are the parents? What are these kids thinking? Oh, wait, that was Obama. And now, a parent himself and many years later, he admits in his biography that he enjoyed the drug use. Is that a better example for our families?

The hypocrisy is sickening.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | September 2, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

ER,

This is a subject you shouldn't have asked any question to anyone, anywhere, anyhow. It is called basic decency. It is a family matter and I am sure they have discussed the pro's and con's at length. The sane issue is faced by many families, including my neighbor.

From your partisan point of view, it would have been better if she didn't accept the call from McCain. McCain changed the game and as far as I am concerned, she is closer to all Americans I know and mingle with every day. Obama, your anointed candidate, I have only heard of, not real to me or any working Americans I know. Unfortunately, most of us working stiffs doesn't get invited to elite parties where they eat Arugula salad and look down on most of us clinging to guns and religion because of our hoplessness.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

"The depths of Aspergirl's paranoia and obsession with sex is truly astounding. Think I found a subject for my Master's Thesis."

You are all sick hypocrites.

Since the dawn of time, teenagers have been having sex whether or not their powerful or distinguished parents liked it or not and independent of any religion or feud. Classics have revolved around this theme.

This is only a story to sick, sexist, misogynist woman-bashing Obama supporters. This is the same stuff you all did to Hillary Clinton. Sex jokes, badgering Chelsea Clinton with questions about her father's sexual activities, covering Clinton's cleavage.

No one even listened to Hillary Clinton's policy stands and platforms, which blew away another other candidate in either Republican or Democratic field this year. The fete of sexist jeering drowned out everything else. And it was the Democrats, not the Republicans doing it.

Beautiful women have sex. Beautiful pro life women have babies. It's a fact of life and these Palin women are showing that they can be feminists and pro life, too.

I respect them and their decisions and the strength they show.

What I don't respect are the sneering, hypocritical Obama supporters and Democrat elitists who condescend toward these women.

They choose to have their babies, not abort them or hide their peccadilloes.

Being a pro-life feminist implies that the woman will be strong enough to bear the beatings and judgments of those who sneer at unwed mothers.

You're all misogynist, hypocritical Democratic ghetto trash.

Obama supporters are the scum of the earth.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

This is what you and your sexists reporters and pundits at MSNBC did to Hillary. You should be ashamed, you're only attacking her because she is a woman. The things that you have said and written are shameful.

Posted by: harris | September 2, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

re:

would it be better to have this girl go through the rest of her life felling that because of her, her mother had to give up the chance to be the vice president of the united states of america. or to say hey you messed up girl, we can't change it it's going to be rough going but together win or lose we'll see it trough

Posted by: ajohnt | September 2, 2008 10:10 AM

This would essentially leave the decision up to a 17 year old. Who is to say Sarah Palin even had this conversation with her? Did she lay a guilt trip on Bristol suggesting her irresponsible behavior would be the cause of her mother giving up a chance to be V.P? Do we even know if she talked to Levi Johnston and his parents? As a psychotherapist myself, I would hope they also got professional family counseling.

Posted by: Hal Brown | September 2, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Beautiful women have sex. Beautiful pro life women have babies. It's a fact of life and these Palin women are showing that they can be feminists and pro life, too.

What I don't respect are the sneering, hypocritical Obama supporters and Democrat elitists who condescend toward these women.

They choose to have their babies, not abort them or hide their peccadilloes.

Being a pro-life feminist implies that the woman will be strong enough to bear the beatings and judgments of those who sneer at unwed mothers.

You're all misogynist, hypocritical Democratic ghetto trash.

Obama supporters are the scum of the earth.
Obama supporters are the scum of the earth.
Obama supporters are the scum of the earth.
Obama supporters are the scum of the earth.
Obama supporters are the scum of the earth.
Obama supporters are the scum of the earth.

Beautiful women have sex. Beautiful pro life women have babies. It's a fact of life and these Palin women are showing that they can be feminists and pro life, too.

What I don't respect are the sneering, hypocritical Obama supporters and Democrat elitists who condescend toward these women.

They choose to have their babies, not abort them or hide their peccadilloes.

Being a pro-life feminist implies that the woman will be strong enough to bear the beatings and judgments of those who sneer at unwed mothers.

You're all misogynist, hypocritical Democratic ghetto trash.

Go back to DailiyKos and spew your sexually infantile screeds there in your "hidden" threads of verbal abuse
Go back to DailiyKos and spew your sexually infantile screeds there in your "hidden" threads of verbal abuse
Go back to DailiyKos and spew your sexually infantile screeds there in your "hidden" threads of verbal abuse
Go back to DailiyKos and spew your sexually infantile screeds there in your "hidden" threads of verbal abuse
Go back to DailiyKos and spew your sexually infantile screeds there in your "hidden" threads of verbal abuse
Go back to DailiyKos and spew your sexually infantile screeds there in your "hidden" threads of verbal abuse

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

This was such a good post, I am reprinting it here, if the Obama control freaks allow me to post a post at all. Very often, they don't:

Robinson's concern for Palin's daughter is oh so touching. As Robinson wipes away his crocodile tears, let's talk about our college age kids who use drugs like cocaine. Where are the parents? What are these kids thinking? Oh, wait, that was Obama. And now, a parent himself and many years later, he admits in his biography that he enjoyed the drug use. Is that a better example for our families?

The hypocrisy is sickening.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | September 2, 2008 10:17 AM
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To put it bluntly, Robinson's gloating, crowing ways annoy me. It is nice, now that the Obama control freaks are worried, since Palin is attracting so much enthusiasm, to see that smile wiped right off his face. It was obnoxious, the arrogance of Obama and his surrogates. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | September 2, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Go back to DailyKos and post your sexually infantile misogyny there in your "hidden threads" of verbal abuse and hate speech

Go back to DailyKos and post your sexually infantile misogyny there in your "hidden threads" of verbal abuse and hate speech

Go back to DailyKos and post your sexually infantile misogyny there in your "hidden threads" of verbal abuse and hate speech

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Obama supporters are the mud-slinging, vicious scum of this election
Obama supporters are the mud-slinging, vicious scum of this election
Obama supporters are the mud-slinging, vicious scum of this election
Obama supporters are the mud-slinging, vicious scum of this election

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

The Republican spin machine is an amazing thing to watch, although anyone with a little common sense can readily discern the BS and lies pouring out of this propaganda device. Watching the pious G.O.P. Delegates on TV talking about prayer and respect for the Hurricane Victims and reading the stories about the behind the door parties being thrown by lobbyist and big corporations for the Delegates, one quickly gets a sense of the magnitude of the deranged thinking that fills their minds. Of course, the truth eventually comes out, but it doesn't seem to bother them as they effortlessly move on to the next bigger and better lie. These people are so hypocritical and stupid that they begin to believe their own lies. And, so it goes from day-to-day that bright and cheerful gathering known as the G.O.P. convention. Obama/Biden 08!!!

Posted by: caliguy55 | September 2, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Did Bill Clinton do what was best for his family? I'll bet he gave a lot of thought to his relationship with, for ONE example, Monica. That was VERY difficult to explain to our children.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

It would be interesting if most parents in this country took interest in their own kids as much as Gene takes interest in Sarah Palin's daughter. But Gene is not alone...

I wonder if your sons had a say in your job, Gene. Sexist much?

Posted by: Mark | September 2, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Oh well, you can throw "family values" out of the speech this week!

Posted by: Connie | September 1, 2008 9:52 PM
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You think loving your unborn child enough to not kill it is not a family value? You think taking care of and supporting your pregnant teenage daughter is not a family value?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Chelsea Clinton took a lot of hits and survived stronger. So will Bristol, who has it much easier. She's pretty; her lover will marry her; conservatives will forgive her. What's the problem?

Posted by: FrankM | September 2, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Eugene, you have managed to put BO's talking points for 9/2/08 and reached new heights of hypocrisy all in a short nasty post.

YOU and the rest of the media are putting this kid through this, leave her the f*ck alone and your problem is solved.

Can't wait to watch you and olbermann tsk tsk and cluck cluck about what a horrible mother she is.

It is a wonder all five of this woman's children managed to survive this long, eh?

I don't know her, YOU certainly don't know her.

You have NO right to speculate what was discussed within that family regarding both decisions.

Shame on you.

Posted by: soupcity | September 2, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

if Biden's son would have made a 17 year old girl pregnant would you give it this much air time?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I have one word for both Sarah Palin and John McCain - Judgment. They both demonstrated lack of judgment in this decision. Senator McCain has demonstarted an appalling lack of judgment in his decision making process. I have vetted regular employees (clerks) more than he seems to have vetted our VP nominee. She and he have shown that they would place politics before family and country.

Posted by: Lorraine | September 2, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

It's a joke to call this blog "PostPartisan".

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I find it hypocrites for anyone, in particular, the Democrats to be questioning Palin's judgement. The same party that told everyone that Clinton having sex with his intern was family business and did not think it appropriate to for the public to poke its nose into, is now poking its nose into Governor's Palin's family business. I have a lot of respect for you Mr Robinson, but I'm sad for you that you think this issue should be debated in the public eye.

Posted by: ER (Chicago) | September 2, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Forget about Palin's screwed up family situation and whether she can be a good mother with an infant and 4 minor children---I am a lot more concerned by her advocacy of Alaskan secession from the United States. Is Mrs. Jefferson Davis to be a heartbeat away from the presidency of the country she rejected? Obama is bashed for being on the same board of directors with a guy involved in anarchy when Obama was eight years old. What will the super-patriots of the Republican party make of her membership in the Alaska Independence Party?

Posted by: Seabrook | September 2, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: GT | September 2, 2008 12:15 AM

Where was the media questioning Al Gore's parenting skills when his kid was busted for driving 94mph in a 55mph zone in 2000. Busted again in 2002 for drunk driving. Busted again in 2003 for drug possession. Busted again in 2006 and charged with two felony counts of possession of a controlled substance, two misdemeanor counts of possessing a controlled substance without a prescription, one misdemeanor count of possession of marijuana and driving 100mph in a Prius.

Interesting that no one in the MSM questioned Gore's parenting ability or his judgment when he ran for office in 2000 or how his leadership (hypocritical as it is) in the political wing of the global warming movement and how it might affect his son.

Why start now? Robinson's political bias perhaps or just a proclivity toward inconsistency?


Because it is at the base of what Palin believes. No birth control, no choice, no sex education. No one is saying that kids are their parents, or vice versa, but at least Gore's son was driving a Prius.

Posted by: GT | September 2, 2008 12:15 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

So, Robinson, I guess you would prefer that Governor Palin try to cover this up with some asinine excuse like Nobama when he said he never heard any anti-white, anti-America rantings from that angry black minster he called his "ol uncle" ... Palin's daughter is 17 .. she made a mistake ... Obama spent 20+ years with Rev Wright ... now that is one h*ll of a mistake!

Posted by: Francisco Cardenas | September 2, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I think a lot of you have blown Gene Robinson's opinion out of proportion. Gene Robinson asked a simple question and I quote " Is it fair for any parent to put his or her pregnant, unmarried, 17 year old daughter through the scrutiny of a presidential campaign or Would you do that to your daughter? I can speak from personal experience, I found out that my 15 year old daughter was pregnant and although it is a private family matter the stress that my daughter had to experience from people at church looking at her funny, the students at school whispering and talking about her, and the stress of having a baby altogether. I wouldn't have put my daughter under then this type of pressure simple because of the scrunity she would receive from the media. Gov. Palin had to know this! So don't cry about it now! You should have thought about this carefully. I wish Gov. Palin and her daughter Bristol all the best! God will see them through just like he did for my daughter and I.

Good Job Gene!

Posted by: Melody Vaughn | September 2, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

But I am not about to question Palin's parenting decisions. As Obama has already said, that's off the table.

Posted by: vklip | September 2, 2008 9:22 AM

When BO says something is off the table, that is the cue for his mouthpieces in the media to pick it up and run with it.

Classic BO and getting really, really old.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

If she were my kid?

I wouldn't force her into a shotgun wedding, that's for sure.

Posted by: GME | September 2, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

My hope would be that my daughter would not end up in this situation at 17 after all she would have been educated about Birth Control and safe sex and not given some bogus lines about abstinence. Believing that teens are going to practice abstinence ranks with still believeing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

McCain has just blown whatever chance he had, good luck President Obama.

Posted by: DCDave | September 2, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

>>Melogy Vaugh wrote: "I wouldn't have put my daughter under then this type of pressure simple because of the scrunity she would receive from the media."

But at what point can you rush in to judgment about these frontier women and their culture with whom you are totally unfamiliar.

I don't know much about "pro life feminists" but apparently they aren't part of a culture that represses, punishes and humiliates girls for getting pregnant.

You are assuming, and everyone here is assuming, that it's a shame and disgrace for Bristol Palin to get pregnant.

It think that from the parents' statement, they regret that their daughter will be forced to "grow up" more quickly than expected but that they're very happy about the baby and the girl they call their "beautiful daughter".

Beautiful women have sex, and beautiful pro life women will have babies. It's not unnatural or unusual for a 17 year old girl to get pregnant. What we here in Washington are unfamiliar with is the notion that a 17 year old candidate's daughter wouldn't have an abortion and cover up the peccadillo.

There is nothing to prevent the girl from going to college and raising a great child, after having the baby. Many women do it. Barack Obama's mother did.

All this criticism and bashing is misogynist, hypocritical, judgmental and sexually dysfunctional.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Obama supporters don't think Sarah Palin should have aborted her Down syndrome baby. Good lord. They just think she should have a choice.

No one thinks that an abortion is a good think. It's not. It's a really bad method of birth control. So like Obama said, let's find a way to reduce abortions by educating our children about birth control. As it was stated on this blog, kids have been having sex since the beginning of time. Let's make sure they know how to protect themselves from an unwanted pregnancy, not keep them in the dark until it's too late.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Forget the daughter. Gov Palin, who supports abstinence only "for thee but not for me" was having premarital sex and got pregnant back in 1988 according to the NY Times:

According to NY Times, here is Governor Palin's story:

"The Palins eloped on Aug. 29, 1988, and their first son, Track, was born eight months later ..."

See:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/02palin.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&hp&oref=slogin

Abstinence only, for thee and not for me.

But she attends fundementalist Churches and assures everybody else that she is pro-abstinence only (now, but for herself in 1988).

The hypocrisy boggles the mind.

Posted by: steve | September 2, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Where are all the feminists now?

The ones who kept silent about how Hillary Clinton was sexually belittled, attacked and judged?

The ones who said that there was no sexism in the primary season?

Now that this female Republican candidate is being pilloried for a 17 year old daughter's pregnancy, where are you now?

Are you all so nailed to the cross of abortion you lose all self-respect, all voice, all activism, in order to conform to the pandering of your party?

If the Democrats promise to advocate for Roe V. Wade, you will take all abuse, all sexism, all sexual attacks on the paradigm of a female executive by misogynists in the press?

Just how hollow and dependent on Roe V. Wade have we become that alliegance to a party that claims to own the right to protect it, can kick women around as it pleases and trash the female executive paradigm with sex-themed, shame-and-disgrace witch-hunts this election year while you stand silent?

If this is the cost of the right to abortion, who needs it? Why sacrifice equality in a professional executive culture, for the right to have abortion in every state? I'd rather have the burden of having to fly to the Bahamas to get an abortion than be forced to submit to the barrages of misogyny by those who claim they protect Roe v. Wade.

Democrats are holding women hostage to Roe v. Wade, suggesting we should take this abuse of our leading female executives and open trashing-of-females-memes, because those who are trashing these leading women claim to be Roe v. Wade protectors.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I think this is a valid question, and I don't think it's necessarily a sexist one. When we found out John and Elizabeth Edwards proceeded with their campaign, in spite of John's affair, most people wondered, "Why would you do that to your family, knowing that the situation would eventually come to light?" Why would anyone expose their family, especially a pregnant 17 year old, to this kind of public embarrassment on a national level? It just seems very selfish to me, and speaks on some level to the issue of character. I feel the same way about the fact that she got on a 10 hour flight when she was in labor and returned to work only 3 days after giving birth prematurely to a baby with special needs. It appears that some folks consider that a positive thing, as if it shows Palin to be the ultimate modern woman, but in my opinion, it's a selfish thing, because that infant had needs that should have outweighed Palin's career. If some people think I sound sexist, so be it. I'm a single adoptive mother of 10, and I know all too well the effects of attachment disorder on young children.

That being said, I hope that the press will get on to more important things: Palin's history, her poor grasp of the issues, etc. It's time for the press to start asking the tough questions!

Posted by: Galen | September 2, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Gene,
Thank you! Thank you for this question! I've been discussing it with friends all day! This is not a sexist question -- It's real. My answer is NO WAY could I put my daughter in this position. Her privacy stripped away -- the public scrutiny...

As a mom (family centered democrat - Hillary supporter) of four children 17 (girl), 20 (college boy), 23 (married with toddler), 24 (attending law school) I'm questioning why Gov. Palin's choice to run for VP makes me so deeply uncomfortable. And, are my feelings fair? Of course I don't support McCain, but what is upsetting me about Palin is personal. As a woman of similar age if I had an infant of 4 months I would not consider being a heartbeat away from the presidency... Not fair to the country... Not fair to the child.

Now, Would I have the same gut reaction toward a man? Or would I think it was beneficial to have a man in the White House who'd bring attention to the needs of children with disabilities? I'd like to think that immediately I'd feel about a man as I do about Palin that he had too much on his family's plate to consider the office. However, I'm not sure it would have slapped me in the fact the way that Sarah Palin's story has. I cannot remove myself from my own perspective. I am a mom -- first.

Ethical dilemma aside... Gov. Palin cannot possibly be the most qualified candidate... What was McCain thinking? His choice suggests desperate, older, "ex-womizer" man seeks validation. Yuck. The only way this might work is if Sarah Palin had been the most qualified candidate available. As it is with a BA in journalism and next to no experience... McCain looks foolish. He has insulted the office of the Vice President. He has insulted women. I'm surprised that the entire Republican Party isn't outraged. Especially Mitt Romney's supporters. I feared Mitt would have given us democrats a run for the hills due to his understanding of economics and logical - methodical approach to problem solving.

Again, Thank you Gene for an honest - fair question... One that is being discussed around kitchen tables across America.

Posted by: Claire | September 2, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Who needs Palin more at this point in time - her country or her family? I say her family as she is young enough to run other times. Her family is under huge stress from caring for a special needs baby and now caring for a needy teenage mother. Don't forget about the other children and their needs, they are already back in line behind their siblings. I worry most for the 15 year old as it seems in that family the way to get attention is to get preganant and have a baby. One for everyone. This listing ship of state is likely to capsize unless both parents address their attention to the children in this family, children who need hands on parenting, not photo shoots for a campaign

Posted by: nclwtk | September 2, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"Obama supporters don't think Sarah Palin should have aborted her Down syndrome baby. Good lord. They just think she should have a choice."

It's not a choice if the culture is to publicly humiliate, judge and throw stones at the women who choose to have their babies.

These Obama supporters who want to have the right to publicly humiliate, criticize and stone these two women -- Sarah Palin and her daughter, Bristol, for having their babies, are anti-women and misogynist.

It's not a "choice" if you will be publicly ruined for choosing to have the baby.

Sarah Palin and her daughter Bristol, are examples of women who choose to have their babies, and who don't believe they should hide at home in shame or despair.

You who are bashing them and criticizing them know nothing about their culture of life and their strong, feminist ideals.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I agree. Palin's daughter's decisions whether to have premarital sex, keep a baby, and get married at 17 are HER business. She should be left alone.

If my daughter did the same thing, she should be left alone.

Similarly, if she decided to not get married, and raise the child as a single mother, she should be left alone.

Likewise, if she decided to give up the baby for adoption, she should be left alone.

On the same note, if she decided that she is not ready to give birth and wanted to terminate the pregnancy, she should be left alone.

It's very simple. Do you want people to respect your privacy, let your family make its own decisions free of guilt and judgment, and leave you alone? THEN DO THE SAME FOR EVERYONE ELSE AND LEAVE US ALONE!!

Posted by: BigMikeinDC | September 2, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

As far as Roe v. Wade is concerned, since the Democrats will own the Senate lock, stock and barrel for the foreseeable future (and certainly during a McCain administration) if they have the courage of their convictions they will not confirm a candidate for the Supreme Court who seems likely to vote to overturn that decision.

Roe v. Wade is NOT a sufficient practical reason to vote against McCain. If you prefer Obama, that's fine, but stop the scare tactics.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | September 2, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I don't really think she had a choice in whether or not to "out" her daughter ... first of all, the folks in Wasilla, AK already knew about it, someone was bound to talk. Second, the blogosphere had already caught on. Third, pregnancy has a funny way of showing itself ... it was now or later, then, wasn't it? If she had done it later, she would have been accused of trying to hide it.

Sure, it's all well and good that she chose to keep the baby, but I don't understand the "values" voters who applaud this decision while ignoring the fact that this girl is involved in an out-of-wedlock pregnancy at age 17. Where is the high horse when you need it? If it were one of "their" girls from "their" community, dimes to donuts she would have been crucified for getting knocked up out of wedlock.

The values voters have chosen to accept the fact of teenage pregnancy by their actions with Bristol Palin. I hope to God they now keep their mouths shut when it comes to young, unwed, teenage BLACK mothers. Because Lord knows there seems to be a different standard if you're young, unwed & black.

Abstinence, huh? Sure worked for Bristol Palin. How about you make some condoms available and maybe this wouldn't have been an issue???

GET REAL PEOPLE.

Posted by: TotallyTiredOfPolitics | September 2, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"Is it fair for any parent to put his or her pregnant, unmarried, 17 year old daughter through the scrutiny of a presidential campaign"

Eugene is the scutiny , he's the one subjecting the 17 year old to this garbage (along with my former colleagues, the liberal left)
Eugene why didn't you write a column on "shut up about Palin's daughter"?

or why not just skip the subject.

Posted by: Dan | September 2, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

It is hard to imagine the enormous pressure placed on this 17 year old.

1. Has she really been given the "right to choose"? Having a pro-life political mother with VP aspirations, was she even able to consider an abortion?

2. Her promised marriage to the father. Again, is she being pressured into this because of her mother's position? She's only 17!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Palin 1
Jesse Jackson 0
John Edwards 0

Posted by: Rolf Green | September 2, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

the writer misses the real point - The McCain campaign decided to rat out the daughter's pregnancy to combat an "internet rumor" that is supposedly FALSE. If the rumor is false, why put the pregnant 17 year old girl through this kind of exposure and humiliation?

Oh, and Asper'girl', you're a Republican plant so stop pretending you give a dang about Senator Clinton. Senator Obama has come out and said FAMILIES ARE OFF LIMITS and stated that if anyone on his campaign had been involved in outing Palin's daughter they'd be FIRED.
McCain is the one who decided to blow the lid off an issue that should have stayed inside the family.

Posted by: Marc Edward | September 2, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: nclwtk | September 2, 2008 11:09 AM

"Who needs Obama more at this point in time - his country or his family? I say his family as he is young enough to run other times. "

thaks nclwtk, i agree!

Posted by: Tada | September 2, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks that John McCain has endeared his party with the undecided women voters in the Democratic Party is absolutely fruttie! Sarah Palin being put before the American people as a candidate for VP is an insult. The fact that she left her special needs son at 3 days old to return to work shows where her priorities are. The GOP has a double standard. If Michele Obama had done that when her child was born (and the child could have been as healthy as could be), the family values folks, windbag Limbaugh and all the rightwing nuts on Fox Cable would have been all over her! How can a woman with 5 children and now a grandchild to help raise, devote her time to the VP job without neglecting her family. And don't tell me that men do it all the time. A woman as a mother is the one with primary responsiblity for nuturing her family, especially her impressionable daughters. Maybe if she had thought less of her ambitions and spent more time with her children, her daughter would not be in this position. I feel sorry for her children.

Posted by: Sharon | September 2, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

It seems odd to blame Eugene - as if none of us would notice without his help?

Our TV meterologist is about 6 months pregnant. No one has reported one word about it - but we can tell by looking at her that she is going to have a baby!

Maybe small-town Alaska is different. I think my husband and I would commit our time and attention to the family at a time like this - perhaps NOT pursue a run at being VP and its associated media spotlight...

Yes it would be a sacrifice for Todd and Sara to forgo this political bandwagon, but surely it would help the young woman tremendously in the years ahead -- IF HER PARENTS treated this like a private family matter.

Honestly, there have been unwed pregnancies in our extended family - but no one issued a press release about it.

Posted by: Jane Dough | September 2, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Those Obama supporters who pretend to respect a woman's choice are sure eager to rush in to judge and throw stones at women who choose to have their babies.

Their ethos is to allow the abortion, but bash women who have babies who don't want to hide at home in shame and disgrace.

Do these Democratic men understand that the purpose of abortion isn't to hide the shame of hos who get caught fooling around?

They talk about respecting choice, but they don't respect those who choose life. And they certainly have no respect for the women themselves, in the barrage of criticism, "analysis" and sexual judgmentalism they think they have the right to subject these womens' sex lives to.

What in the world makes these sexually infantile, fanatical Obama supporters entitled to discuss and analyze the Palin women sex lives? What culture of "respect for choice" makes that okay? What universe of ghetto misogyny is this focus on the candidate's child's sex life relevant to anything but their own sexism and partisanship?

It's a disgrace, what the Democrats are allowed by feminists to get away with this year.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 10:51 AM

But I am not about to question Palin's parenting decisions. As Obama has already said, that's off the table.

Posted by: vklip | September 2, 2008 9:22 AM

When BO says something is off the table, that is the cue for his mouthpieces in the media to pick it up and run with it.

Classic BO and getting really, really old.
.......................................
So, what would make you happy? For him to tell them to get on it? Come on. The Republican's trash Obama left and right whenever they can, and Obama makes a stand up comment, and you trash him. How terribly republican of you.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Who is asper girl? Definitely republican right? Just scroll up and check out all her postings. Her postings say a lot of republican party.

Posted by: Adam Habib Dallas, TX | September 2, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

First, “Fuzz” is an idiot.

Second, it isn’t a cheap shot and it isn’t about dragging kids into the political arena. Republican geeks are simply trying to spin this away by claiming that. But this really isn’t about Palin’s daughter. It IS about the usual, hopelessly archaic, 19th-century attitudes of the Republican party. Their take on sexuality, teen sexual experimentation, contraception, moral teaching, and parental oversight have once again been shown to be shams, and worthless solutions to real daily problems of living in THIS age.

This is a family with advantages, and with parents who are supposedly committed to “moral” upbringing, and who are supposedly deeply involved in the daily welfare of their children. If the daughter gets pregnant, have they failed in “values” training, or “abstinence” training, or parental responsibilities, or do you just blame the daughter and declare her a tramp?

The real answer is neither of those things. Abstinence, willpower, and prayer are piss-poor solutions to fertility. Contraception is—knowledge of, and smart use of. The other answer is that teen sex is not going to go away (“People are still having sex”). Another answer is that teen years are a time of personal exploration, and sexuality (but not necessarily sex) is a part of character development (although sex CAN be part of it). But if you’re stuck in the 19th century, if you’re hysterical about sex, if you can’t handle it, or are disgusted with your own loins (as the Republican party would like you to be), you’re surely going to ignore realities, and pass your insanity and failures onto your children. And you’re going to look for solutions in all the wrong places. And then claim you’re doing “God’s will.” This kid needed to be told how to use condoms, and insist on it with her boyfriend. Or be taken to a clinic and given a prescription for birth control pills. But of course, that would be too “unrighteous.” But how righteous is it to have children having children?

Do you really want any 17 year old coming to you and saying I’m pregnant? That kid needed solutions, and she got no help from the adults around her.

Posted by: --- | September 2, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I'm totally disillusioned by the hypocrisy of the Democratic party this year and the alleged "feminists" in it.

It's not only worth voting for McCain this year, but dumping any interest and association with the Democratic party.

These anti-women, sexist treatments of female executives this year on the part of Obama supporters and Democratic media, are repulsive and offensive.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Robinson - I'm sure you would have written the same article about JFK and a young family in the white house or John Edwards running for office (and other things) while his wife battles cancer. How about the article about Senator Obama and Michele spending two years on the campaign trail and what this does to their young family. I am learning not to expect fair treatment from your rants.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Please, let's get realistic - picture for a second that Obama's daughters were slightly older and one of them became pregnant - imagine just how quickly the Republicans would pounce on that to rally fellow conservatives around this moral family issue! Palin's problems are NOT private for the very reason that the Republicans constantly make private issues public -- abortion, sex education, gay rights and the all-encompassing "family values" they're so quick to pull out as superficial national crises to rally their paranoid base who otherwise don't care about actual news -- avoiding real issues and always conveniently avoiding their own very pronounced flaws. This may be rude but it's the truth -- Palin has an inconveniently pregnant teen daughter that she's pressured to get married for her own political gain without any consideration of her other options or how her daughter wound up in her situation in the first place - and if those are "family values," then I'm better off without them.

Posted by: Anna | September 2, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

BS mary and you and white trash aspergirl need to get clue and a life.

Posted by: divamore | September 2, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

There are three things that really bother me about the Bristol Palin pregnancy "issue". First, if Sarah Palin wants to cite her "experience as a mother" as one of the qualifiers for being one heartbeat away from the presidency, it's entirely justifiable to ask what type of mother was she. Based on the evidence to date -- I would have to conclude not a very good one. She has one son on his way to Iraq (which is good), one pregnant teenage daughter (not so good), a very young infant with a birth defect who some may argue may not be getting the level of attention he needs from his mother (also not so good). What about convincing these kids to seek higher education? Or striving to serve the better good of the country (which one is doing in the army)? But is this the sum total of her resume as a mother? And if so, is this such a amazing motherhood resume that she should be elected vice president? I don't think so.

Second, we have to judge Sarah Palin's judgment based on the judgment she exercised in her private life -- as we were asked to do with Barrack Obama association with Rev. Wright. What kind of judgment did she instill in her daughter if she's running around having unprotected sex at 16? What about the risk of STDs or HIV/AIDS? Are we simply to celebrate the potential of Bristol Palin potentially spreading HIV/AIDS along with the blessing of this new child/grandchild? ARE YOUR KIDDING ME? Is this what we can expect in the way of an HIV/AIDS policy from a McCain/Palin administration? I would to call this a complete failure in the judgment department.

And third, what's up with all of these scandals? Troopergate, teenage pregnant daughter gate, working for Ted Stevens 527 gate, giving a speech to a Alaskan secessionist group gate, supporting the bridge to nowhere that opposing it gate. Give me a break. It's only been three days since she's been on the ticket. I'm officially calling this move a disaster. What are were supposed to wake up to tomorrow?

Posted by: BlueStateVA | September 2, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

My heart goes out to Bristol. I did think what parent (mother or father) would put their daughter through the public embarrassment. This is just one of many questions I have concerning Palin's judgment. On Friday pundits (male and female) lauded what an amazing, strong, tough rugged women Palin is. One of the stories relayed as proof of her toughness was that in April while at the GOP Governors Assoc in Dallas, Palin's water broke, and she still stayed to gave her 40 minute speech, and then flew back to Alaska because she didn't want her baby born in Texas. I was shocked that not one person questioned the wisdom of her actions. In hindsight it was no harm no foul, however that doesn't make the action less reckless, and it isn't action that reflects well on Palin's (or her husband who was with her)judgment.

I was so shocked I went to Anchorage Daily News to look at their archives. Not only had Palin's water broke, but she had started having contractions while still in Dallas. When the news made the papers she was roundly criticized by the airline industry and medical community.

I've had three children, my doctor, like all doctors made it clear that I was to go to the hospital once my water breaks (as well as other reasons to seek medical attention). After Palin's water broke, she gave her 40 minute speech, and skipped the rest of the meeting, and went to the airport. Palin called her doctor to tell him that her water broke and she was on her way back to Alaska. She apparently did not see if the Doctor was ok with it, and she apparently didn't tell her doctor that her contractions had started. At no time did she have any medical evaluation before getting on the plane, and she did not bring a doctor with her. No matter how many prior children she had, she was in the beginning stage of labor, 2 months prior to her due date, with a special needs child, and she acted irresponsible. Not tough, not rugged, but reckless, and put her own life, and the life of her child at risk. The idea that a person would get on a commercial plane after their water broke, and contractions had started, no matter how many minutes apart, is reckless behavior. She flew from Dallas to Seattle, and took a connecting commercial flight to Anchorage. Not only was this reckless for a mother, it was also inconsiderate of every passenger on the plane. How would you like to be on a plane, that has to make an emergency landing, not because a women goes into labor after the plane takes off, but she had already started labor when she got on the plane, and the labor progressed faster than she predicted.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

"anti-women, sexist treatments of female executives"

utter imbecilic drivel from the party of Phyllis Schafly, from the party that spent years shooting down the Equal Rights Amendment.

Posted by: --- | September 2, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Robinson - I'm sure you would have written the same article about JFK and a young family in the white house or John Edwards running for office (and other things) while his wife battles cancer. How about the article about Senator Obama and Michele spending two years on the campaign trail and what this does to their young family. I am learning not to expect fair treatment from your rants.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Liberals Suck!!

Posted by: cobra2 | September 2, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Anonymous Coward said: "if Biden's son would have made a 17 year old girl pregnant would you give it this much air time?"

Answer: Of course not, AC. You see, Biden is not a radical proponent of abstinence-only sex education. Biden does not pretend to hold the moral high ground all to himself. Biden's publicly expressed position does not suggest that the girl is a bad person (sinner, in people like Palin's terminology) for getting pregnant out of wedlock.

The true horror of this whole issue is that Bristol Palin's own mother advocates a policy (abstinence-only sex education) that preaches that unwed mothers are failed humans...sinners. That's a tough message for a teen in a challenging situation to get from her own mom.

Posted by: Bubba Bob | September 2, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Gene you are imposing your own old sense of values, morality and responsibility and shame on the mind and heart of Bristol. The problem, is that it is now glamorous and in vogue to been 17 unwed and pregnant. Why should Bristol be ashamed when the whole Republican Party and religious leaders praise her, and Brittany Spear's 16 year old sister is on the front page of a magazine glowing with pride and glory at her choice to give life!

Unfortunately, because of this praise and glory normal teens of the hoi paloi do not understand the real life consequences of getting pregnant before they get pregnant. They should not be seeing the Republican National Convention hurling praise upon the choice to give life when clearly if the girl was poor, Republicans would not feel an iota of committment to help that teen muddle through her lousy options in the future.

It is not something that not only Republicans are hypocrits about. I heard Whoopie Goldberg on the View, praise her own 15 year old daughter's "decision to give life". And, in a highly morally superior manner, Whoopie went on to lecture parents on how important it is to offer their full support and unconditional love to their unwed teenage children who "choose" to give life. Well for millionaires like Whoopie that is all well and good. The problem is that there is an epidemic of teens who are getting pregnant and strangling to death their own futures and the lives of their families by making that "life" choice.

Agreed, a teenage girl who gets pregnant our of wedlock should want to hide and it should be sad for her to have to face an uncertain future and feel a deep sense of shame and remorse as it finally, hopefully, dawans upon her how she has burdoned her family and dimmed her hopes for the future. That is why the harsh reality is that abortion is often the best choice those girls can make. A tragic choice, but a responsible one.

The Republicans should not be contributing to this idealized fantasy about the choice of life, when they as a party have no intention of supporting unwed teens and their babies and would be the first ones to heap their moral indignation on the permissive sexuality of poorer working teeanagers.

Posted by: Madeleine | September 2, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

EUGENE

PLEASE BE VERY CAREFUL!!!!! ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE ON MORNING JOE.... (joe really needs to switch to decaf tea, i think)


not you, not the democrats.. or the obama campaign.... or god forbid the liberal blogs should touch

sarah pallin, or her daughter ... without being piled upon...

HOWEVER...

(and please share this with jonathan (both) ... from morning joe

you guys need to keep focusing on this from the

HOW IT REFLECTS ON JOHN MC CAIN'S

JUDGEMENT
TEMPERMENT.... I can only imagine how furious he was when after all the humbling ..... crow eating and back tracking and kissing up he had to do in order to get the blessings of the base and then.. hug and support... george bush... after all of that

now that he finally had the nomination.... they were still "calling the shots" refusing him to select his first pick ... joe leiberman.. or maybe even tom ridge... because of their pro - choice positions.. and I think he might have just snapped... in a

i'll show you ... kind of a stunt..find me a good looking, young... and socially conservative girl.... who won't upstage me and will of course look to me for advice on anything of substance...

she'll be my soul mate.... look good in pictures.. be tough being able to stick up for herself and what she believes in.. oh and make sure.. she's also shorter than I am too....
.
You don't need to pick on sarah pallin, it's not her fault... she's not the problem, neither is her daughter or her experience or the fact that she has a lot of kids... lay off her... John Mc Cain's the one you should be holding accountable

but don't hit below the belt... but hey... if there was a job being listed for applicants... from the washington post.... to the post office... if you had the resumes of john mc cain... next to obamas.. with no pictures, no ages or birth dates...

who would get hired? who would get past the first or second screening process

Really... Even Ronald and Nancy Reagan were so shocked by his unacceptable treatment of his first wife.. they shunned him for years... until when he was in the senate.. his first wife carol, who had sort of been taken under the Reagan's wing... lobbied for john to be given a second chance... and so... he was given

kind of a reprieve... but even mc cain admitted.. there was always an understandable coolness between them, because their loyalty and friendship was to carol and her children..


i think you guys should report..... just the facts... no embellishing.. but at least inform... and give the public and elecorate an opportunity to know that in spite of the war hero john mc cain... there's a mean... grudge holding, sarcastic with poor taste and lack of judgement in many of the remarks.. and frankly very well known for his many examples of poor sport, ... bad loser, and very politically and socially incorrect .behavior...You guys know this.. He has a short fuse..

1. Rude, mean spirited called leisure world, seizure world

2. "do you know why chelsea clinton is so ugly....??? because janet reno is her mother... (clinton was in the white house... but out of line... to hilary to chelsea to bill and to janet reno...

another example of his very "belly up to the bar" bad boy... kind of personality.... hard drinking, swearing and dirty joke telling... "one of the guys"... Oh. can't you take a joke? i was only kidding kind of personality.....

i don't think it should be ignored or excused... he probably suffers from ptsd... from the war, and that's horrible ... but that should make him more supportive of mental health for GI.s... but .. .does he have the temperment and judgement to be president?


I think he still resents the Base.. the religious right for their horrible attacks against his adopted daughter in 2000..

But then why would he make such a horrible "joke" about chelse clinton.. he is not considerate .. or able to self monitor himself before repeating inappropriate comments.. not suitable for polite society

He shouldn't criticize obama or biden... since he barely graduated... and was 5th from the bottom.. at the naval academy... . he didn't even get to shake IKE's hand at the ceremony because of his lack of respect for the naval code of conduct....He's a reckless daredevil with a borderline personality disorder.. very unpredictable.. there has to be some expert opinion that could impartially analyze what some of these examples of mc cain's past behavior tell about what the american electorate might expect in the future...

did anyone at the post see the fox news segment on the candidates.. their character and conduct.. the one on mc cain.. included almost all of his very poor performance in school and in the military and as a husband.. and politician ... reputation...

but it only was aired once... the obama one showed numerous times... i actually taped them both... and had to have friends over to watch the one on mc cain.. because even the CNN one didn't have quite as much of the "not very flattering" aspects of the John Mc Cain narrative...

i'm glad it's not the democratic nominee's narrative..

much less the narrative of my doctor , or son- in - law.... husband .... or boss or even next door neighbor...

what about mc cain's character or lack of

what executive, or even junior executive or intern. would be selected with the kind of reputation and record he has... check into every evaluation by every commanding officer he had.. without being the son of his father and grandfather the famous admirals... he never would have made it through AVIATOR SCHOOL

Did you read the carol mc cain interview in the london paper?

I mean... she was a long, legged, dark haired swim suit model.... before her near fatal car accident that required 23 surgeries.. including one that removed sections of her crushed legs (causing her to be 4-5 inches shorter) and her pelvis was crushed too... she was disfigured and disabled... and... walked with a pronounced limp....and evidentally even worse than that.....

allowed herself to gain a significant amount of weight...

soooooo when mc cain returned home from 5 1/2 years as a prisoner of war, also on crutches.... and his arms were shorter too......

but at least he didn't gain a lot of weight


but according to mc cain... who admits responsibility for his behavior.... lack of character.... told friends... that no matter how hard he tried to return to home and be a happy family...

.... carol was different... she wasn't the same beautiful girl i'd married and dreamed of ... who's image kept me going during those years of captivity... but it was never the same...

and so.... i started cheating on her and seeing other women, and seeking out assignments in different places so i could travel more... and i was not faithful or respectful of my marriage or my wife...

his wife doesn't blame him though .... she adores him... and understands ... john was trying to make up for last time...

he came home and was 40 but he wanted to be 25 and so that's the way he lived....

after he met cindy... fell in love, and dated for 9 months before filing for divorce... which wasn't final until 5 weeks before his marriage to cindy.. she and her 3 kids were devastated///

the divorce became final by default.. and she later said, that she understood that her physical impediments would interfere with the future john dreamed of for himself... and she didn't want to hold him back

she admires, even supports him to this day... and many of her friends say, she never stopped adoring him...


i am a mother of 4 kids
2 daughters..... none of whom i would encourage, allow, or be
comfortable with ... should they be inclined to marry, much less date... even for a prom... with someone with john mc cain's reputation for being a womanizer and unethical character...

i wouldn't want to have either of my sons hang out with him either .... much less drive or fly with him because of his reckless behavior and blatant disregard for careful judgement... concern for the safety and feelings of others....

these things were even highlighted in the fox news bio on mc cain... but it only showed one time... ???? the obama one ran often .. and was balanced and accurate, the good and the bad...

but the mc cain...segment... not exactly the john mc cain who is constantly described in the ads and personal "narrative"


You are the washington post... sift through what is factual and what is not... what is rumor, and what is so old, and so personal and so out of context... it should not matter...

but when I found out about a lot of this stuff..... i was flabergasted!!!!!!! WHEN I WAS ACTUALLY WATCHING IT... after 15 minutes.. i was sitting on the coffee table... scooting closer and closer.. rewinding and watching over certain sections because i literally had no idea!!!!

Does anyone know any of this stuff?

Would Mary Maitlin... ( or god forbid James Carville).. let a man with john mc cain's reputation... record... and notorious temperment... marry their daughter?? their niece???? what about
pat buchanan? or Joe Scarborough ...

Would any of us encourage, be proud of, or ignore or stand by...
or turn a blind eye.. or worse secretly be proud of... one of our children... son or daughter... who didn't take school, rules or authority or ethics seriously...... cared more about partying than studying... and joked about, rather than be ashamed of his antics and the consequences of them...

so....

I am glad john mc cain is not my child.. or related to me in anyway...

i am very glad that i never had the misfortune to be one of john mc cain's teachers... or have to face parent / teacher conferences across the table from him and his father...

faced with having to put my name at the bottom of a student body officer election petition ... vouching for the character and behavior of John Mc cain to be suitable to represent my school.

America should at least know some of this stuff don't you think?

Hey, i'll bet even sarah pallin... nor her husband todd pallin... would even consider allowing someone like john mc cain within 20 feet of any of their daughters... and i'm sure their 18 year old son.... would "take matters into his own hands"... if he ever found out that someone with john mc cain's track record... was misleading taking the chance of breaking the heart of his sister.... right???


i'll guarantee that mitt romney sure wouldn't ... not even if john mc cain converted to mormonism....which... actually is almost hilarious to even visualize for a second or two.

well hopefully i don't get black balled... or turned over to the
C I A or have my phone tapped...

but as a parent,
a teacher
a child who cared for aging parents during the last years of their lives.... my dad died at the age of 96 last september
someone who tries very hard to be considerate and empathetic of others and not make jokes at the expense of others...


Posted by: Barbara flinn | September 2, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

"We need to get beyond that and treat her the way we would any new candidate. What is her position on the housing crisis that threatens the global financial system?"

...yes, so we can worry about whether she is botching other issues like she is botching this one.

As long as you concede that she has botched this one very badly. Unless you think that having her 16-year old daughter come up to her and say "Mommy I'm pregnant, but don't worry, Billy and I are going to get married and have the baby" is a good thing.

Posted by: jfc1 | September 2, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse