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A Story Palin Should Tell

A few weeks ago, I wrote a column about the problem of teen pregnancy and the tragic impact it has had on so many aspects of life in the nation's capital. Reader response was heavy and, in some ways, disturbing. While I never used the terms "black or "African American" in the column, many readers saw the teen pregnancy problem in only racial terms.

What brings this to mind is today's statement from Sarah and Todd Palin disclosing that their unmarried 17-year-old daughter Bristol is pregnant. The presumptive Republican vice presidential nominee and her husband expressed their pride in becoming grandparents. As a grandparent of six, I can appreciate their feelings, and extend to them a hearty welcome into the enviable grandparents' club.

I'm also happy to learn that their daughter will have the unconditional love and support of the entire family as she and her husband-to-be raise their baby.

I only wish the angry readers who weighed in on my column showed similar understanding and, if not love, then at least a little respect for the young women I wrote about.

Instead, this is some of what I got:

"How long has this 'problem' been going on in the black community? Since the dark ages, er, the 60's, say. From day one they should be held accountable for their behavior…Remove the kid if necessary and establish some kind of homes for them. Better the state rear them instead of the current crop. The girls have so little self-love they long for getting knocked up or just believing they're being loved." 7/19/2008 3:12 PM.

"One often reads, hears or sees profiles of young men who grow up poor in gang infested areas and try to understand the tough choices they make that lead them astray. Stories of young women who fail to keep their knees together until a man fit to be a father comes along are rare." 7/19/2008 5:59 PM

"What children see they will do and what they do they will become." 7/19/2008 5:46 PM.

"Stop handing out welfare and housing to teen mothers and teen pregnancy will be cut by ½ in a few years." 7/19/2008 10:59 AM.

Sarah Palin, husband Todd, and daughter Bristol are well suited to tell the rest of America that there is more to the problem than that.

By Colbert King  | September 1, 2008; 4:45 PM ET
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Mr King,

You are a good man, Charlie Brown. I'm not sure that many of us would be as graceful in analyzing the issues of the day as you are, were we black.

But I do think that Gov Palin should be understood and appreciated by the American people for her extreme right wing political philosophy, which is most apparent in her views on abortion (which she doesn't even support in cases of rape and incest) and sex education. Her views that abstinence only education are supported by about 10% of our society.

She's even more out of touch than McCain.

She may be an ex-beauty queen. She may have some compelling family issues. But we should focus on what her impact would be on this country in the areas of peace, prosperity, education, health care, energy independence, and the environment.

Palin should tell us what she thinks of the corrupt elite using lobbyists to rig the system in their favor, what she thinks of corporate greed that is subsidized by taxpayer bailouts, what her plan to solve the housing crisis is, how deep she thinks it is, etc.

All the best,

Posted by: Deep Blue | September 1, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, King, for your very thoughtful response. Some of the comments I've observed regarding Palin's daughter have been just as appalling as the comments you've cited.

Posted by: ZAG | September 1, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

This just shows that we have to be honest and adopt science in the prevention of unwanted pregnancies. Abstinence alone, as preached by the republican party does not work. It is time to provide responsible comprehensive sex education to our youth.

Posted by: Buddy | September 1, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I think one of the issues surrounding this pregnancy that we must talk about is the fact that Sarah Palin believes in abstinence only sex education. With her daughter facing a teen pregnancy, we should talk about abstinence only as a failed policy. And Palin is against giving other girls and women a choice in choosing how to handle a pregnancy since Palin is anti-abortion. These are important issues raised by this news that we need to have a discussion about.

Posted by: Louise | September 1, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

ZAG, like a typical republican you are lying once again. I too have been reading the comments about the Palin's daughter and the comments are not even near the level of hatred quoted in Mr. King's column.

You Republicans are great at dishing it out, but you Republicans surely cannot take it.

Posted by: tazmodious | September 1, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Actually, this article points out how wrong Obama was to talk about this issue as if it only involved young black men taking responsibility for their children. See Obama .. it happens with white people too!!

Posted by: Francisco Cardenas | September 1, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Teen pregancy is not the end of the world. I can only wish for a good outcome for this young girl and her child. I am sure it is a very trying time for her parents and family. But a larger question is swirling around in my mind. Does Sarah Palin's ambition know no limits? Surely she had to know how terribly embarrasing and humiliting this world wide exposure would be for her 17 year old daughter. How many mother's would put a teenage daughter through such scrutiny at such a time? How many pregnant women would travel to the extent Palin did in the 8th month of a pregency? Was it the travel and schedule that resulted in an early delivery of the Down Syndrome child? Are these the types of risky decisions we could expect if she were to become POTUS?

Posted by: dbl06 | September 1, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

No one blames the daughter... she's a child. I don't even blame the mother... well, sorta kinda I do. I think you have to balance career with parenting responsibilities, and I think Sarah Palin is showing that she hasn't handled that well. What IS the issue here is that Palin takes a very hard line against sex education in schools. Her abstinence only approach obviously did not work within her own family and demonstrates what a disastrous concept it is on a national level.

Posted by: DogBitez | September 1, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

We need a real Vice President, not a soon to be mother of two, with one being of special needs.. I don't care about the values I don't care about if its right or wrong its the simple fact that shes a hypocrite and now wont even have the time to be one.. We need somebody that can be there not a mother of what is soon to be two infants...
PS.. abstinence only education is a load of s#@$!

Posted by: erik | September 1, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Read Bamaman's comments and his own history with his mother... he is right on target this is private. a non issue ...

Posted by: DannyMIA | September 1, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

No one blames the daughter... she's a child. I don't even blame the mother... well, sorta kinda I do. I think you have to balance career with parenting responsibilities, and I think Sarah Palin is showing that she hasn't handled that well. What IS the issue here is that Palin takes a very hard line against sex education in schools. Her abstinence only approach obviously did not work within her own family and demonstrates what a disastrous concept it is on a national level.

Posted by: DogBitez | September 1, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Francisco,

"Actually, this article points out how wrong Obama was to talk about this issue as if it only involved young black men taking responsibility for their children. See Obama .. it happens with white people too!!"

Obama was asking men to take responsibility for thier children, not just black men. And in this instance, the boy is going to marry Bristol, which is what Obama was advocating.

Posted by: Jon | September 1, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Swift-boat the religious right hardliners. If it were Senator Obama's daughter they would burn her at the stake. No mercy for McCain. For once Democrats go for the jugular. Richard

Posted by: Richard | September 1, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Mr King sadly people are racist. I am white but grew up as Muslim religious minority in Balkans, in our country Serbia. I know how it feels to be segrageted.

AAll the best to grand kids.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

>> We need a real Vice President, not a soon to be mother of two, with one being of special needs.>>

She's the mother of five, Erik. One of them an infant with special needs.

She's soon to be the grandmother of another infant.

I'm not voting for her myself, but you don't seem to be paying much attention.


Posted by: Kurt Busiek | September 1, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I would urge everyone to also read the following story by Nathan Thornburgh of TIME

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837862,00.html

It is good to know that there are still journalists with decency and a balanced perspective on things

Posted by: Asbee | September 1, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I’m going to get a little personal here. I share a lot in common with Ms Palin. I’m a father of five, one with special needs, and I also had a daughter who became pregnant at the age of 16. When this occurred some 7 years ago…I got mad…I stomped around…and then I realized that that I could fret and gripe all day long but it didn’t change a damn thing. Sh*t happens, life goes on and I wouldn’t trade my granddaughter for the world. Not in a million years. This issue with Ms Palin’s daughter is a non-political issue. It has nothing to do with politics and I am very happy that Sen. Obama made his announcement today stating that fact. If ANYONE has used or uses this as a political tool they should be FIRED…and not Valerie Plame fired…but really fired.

I would like to put a point on this though. As I stated in an earlier post on my blog (Aug 30th)…I was fully aware that the media would eat Ms Palin for lunch. The question to me is, what does that say about John McCain and his judgment? Why would he choose a running mate that he obviously knew was going to be eaten alive? His campaign stated they knew about this teenage pregnancy when Ms Palin was vetted. Did he really think no one would say anything…that the media that tore into Mark Foley, Larry Craig, and Bill Clinton would give Ms Palin a pass?

I must be a prophet and didn’t know it as I stated days ago that Ms Palin was simply a sacrifice of the GOP to the masses. I stated that she would be torn asunder…and the GOP would desperately attempt to point the finger at the Obama Campaign, to show that Democrats don’t actually support regular folks.

How sad it is to be a Republican power master. That you would sacrifice a beautiful family for your own petty desires. It’s a sad time in America. I feel for Ms Palin. I feel for her poor daughter as I had one of my own in the same situation. I feel for the Palin family and will give them my prayers. Apparently John McCain has no feeling whatsoever or he would not have put this woman and her family in this predicament. What does that say about John McCain’s judgment?

Posted by: SWMissouri | September 1, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Some of the folks commenting on this blog are filled with nastiness. Why do any of you cite the color of skin or political affiliation in regards to this issue? Quit finger-pointing and show a little more grace, love and concern for our fellow man and woman. If each of us 'swept in front of our own doorstep', the 'Welcome' mat might be a little more visible...

Posted by: ProParents | September 1, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Swift-boat the religious right hardliners. If it were Senator Obama's daughter they would burn her at the stake. No mercy for McCain. For once Democrats go for the jugular. Richard

Posted by: Richard | September 1, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

OK..wait a minute here. Sarah Palin's teenage daughter's pregnancy is off limits. However, what mother knowing her child would be subjected to harsh exposure to media and society would still run for VP when her family and child needs her most?
Sarah Palin's personal life has too many complications for her to be effectively focused on her job. Let's list them:
1) a child with down syndrome needs a lot more care than those who don't
2) A teenage daughter needs her mother's time and guidance through this difficult process. Will she put her meeting off with Vladamir Putin because her daugther's teenage husband is arguing with her?
3) A teenager doesn't know who she is let alone her husband and childs needs and therefore her mother should be there.
4) You have 5 children to look after,three children in crisis (a-teenage pregnancy, b-serving time in iraq, c-a child with downs syndrome) you won't be interupted ONCE by any of them during an important meeting?

Posted by: Rob Greene | September 1, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

It is obvious that Gov Palin is not any kind of asset for McCain...all the talk and spin the party is trying to put on her is useless.
Yes let her speak and explain and congratulations on being grandparents and I hope your fridge is full of Caribou hot dogs and you can continue to be the pride of a small town in Alaska and settle feuds the way back water people do but please get out of the way before its too late. What will the next scandal be after Troopergate and teen pregnancy. The election just got handed over to Obama. America is again the laughing stock of the world on this one.

Posted by: ray reyns | September 1, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Palin makes Dan Quail look over qualified

Posted by: David | September 1, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

If a Democratic male had accepted the VP position a few months after his wife had given birth to a special needs child AND he had a minor daughter who was pregnant the right wing would be all over that person calling him selfish and irresponsible to put his family in such a position at a time when they needed privacy and his presence. And they would be right.

Well, guess what. Sarah Palin is not some heroine for working mothers but an incredibly selfish individual who put her career goals before her family and her country. Did anyone even ask the unwed father if HE wanted to be thrust into the national spotlight? No wonder Palin's Mother-in-law doesn't this she's VP material.

There were many excellent VP choices for McCain. Kay Hutchinson or Tom Ridge would have been a wonderful choices but didn't pass the rapid right's litmus test. McCain's appaling decision to choose his VP for shock value makes it clear he is unfit for command.

Posted by: Debray | September 1, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Palin is also a member of Feminists for Life.

http://www.feministsforlife.org/

Posted by: Drew | September 1, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I feel sorry for Bristol Palin and her boyfriend. Nothing like growing up quick without a shred of privacy. McCain and her mother had to know this was coming. Sarah Palin must be one ambitious woman to put her daughter through such public scrutiny at such a delicate time.

Posted by: Nancy from Michigan | September 1, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

This is nuts. This may be a great human interest opportunity, but this is the woman that John McCain has selected to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

There is way too much we don't know about this woman. At least Senator Obama has been vetted for the past 4 years.

If you want to know more about what Palin valued as mayor, apparently the human element of governing was not one of them.

I found the following with a premium search. It is an article from 1997. You will not find it on google. It shows how Palin unnecessarily shafted 3 elderly co-workers...the entire staff of the city museum, for the sake of her ideology.

http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/08/palins-lack-of-compassion-towards-labor.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | September 1, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

From what I know of Gov Palin...she appears to be the type of person that would tell her daughter that sex is something you wait to be shared with the one you love.

Palin fell in love and married her high school sweetheart...who's to say her daughter isn't following her example?

Apparently...Palin doesn't feel like Obama...who said babies were a "punishment" to young women.

Posted by: dan | September 1, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I feel sorry for Palin's daughter who has been put through this media hell by her ambitious mother. Where are Sarah Palin's family values? There is a crisis at home with a new born with Downs Syndrome and a pregnant teenage daughter. She should never have accepted this nomination.

Posted by: Annette | September 1, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

36 years ago my son and his girlfriend became pregnant. As Sarah and Todd Palin have chosen, my wife and I did the same. My son was married and they had a wonderful daughter, my grandaughter. Sometimes we all want to pass judgment on others when we should work on our own issues. I understand that opponents had made claims that the downs child was actualy the daughters, and this disclosure was to set the record straight. I am sure that any person in the political or celebrity world would wish that private things could remain so.

Posted by: Jim | September 1, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for taking the time to write this column. How people can even see this as a racial issue is beyond me. Do they really believe that nice, upper middle-class, white girls from stable families don't get pregnant? Having volunteered in a crisis pregnancy center I an assure you that they do.

I respect Sarah Palin's decision to stand by her daughter and also her commitment to life and reproductive issues.

The facts remain that the overwhelming majority of women seeking abortions are not doing so because they have been raped or because their pregnancy could jeopardize their lives. Most women seeking abortion do so because they did not bother to take precautions against becoming pregnant and do not care to deal with the responsibilities of having a child. In this day and age there is no reason to be pregnant unless you want to.

Sarah Palin's personal life really doesn't have that much to do with her ability to lead - and before you come after me on that one ask yourselves what you conveniently and readily overlooked when Clinton was in office. Governor Palin has more collective experience running a government and managing a budget than does Senator Obama who has never even so much as run a lemonade stand. More power to her. She is just what is needed to shake things up in Washington.

Posted by: Amy | September 1, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Sins, transgressions, errors of judgement, etc. are not problems for evangelicals. Just say you have seen the light and you are saved, end of issue. Then walk out into the limelight and you become a great and virtuous person. This pregnancy is not a problem for Sarah Barracuda; not even close. It is an opportunity to once again ignore the real problems facing our nation, all the while parading around with a certain smugness and veil of virtue. It's a con game, pure and simple, and a huge percentage of the American population will fall for it.

Posted by: avogel | September 1, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

In today's Obama world, it is alright to kill an unborn child conceived out of wedlock,than bring it into the world and love her/him. Unfortuantely most young people today do not want to get married at all, while others are confortable having a child and living together.

The issue of Palin's daughter coming out by the bloggers and the media, is not to have a healthy discussion about it. It is for the Democratic candidiate to win the Presidential election at any cost and destroy the opposition.

The same persons attacking Palin for this and for her husband getting a DUI at 22 years old, did not care about Edward's, Clinton's, Jesse Jackson's or Gary Hart's indiscretions.

So................?

Posted by: rljmsilver | September 1, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Nobody even advised McCain or Palin that this exposure would be a disaster for her daughter Bristol? I'm having trouble comprehending how these people could be so selfish. This is a real tragedy for the poor girl.

Posted by: brian | September 1, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

So if Barack's mother executed her "choice" the Dems would not have a candidate. Ever think of that? We would be short one heck of an individual -- his mother paid a hefty price but brought up a great son. She shunned the convenience route and took responsibility. What a concept. What's more important -- baby seals or unborn humans? We think nothing of vacuuming out an unborn child but everything about clubbing a seal (which is pretty reprehensible).

Abstinence only works when you practice it. It's a good habit to be taught, but you also have to be realistic. There's a middle out there somewhere - we're getting closer. Palin and Obama are the closest we have to two real families in America.

Posted by: Obama | September 1, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

What are the chances that the Palin's grandchild will be asking, where's my daddy?

Posted by: Steve Boston | September 1, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

SWMissouri, nice comments...up until you started the finger-pointing. Do you not believe that the Palin family had a choice in the matter? She said 'yes' to be vetted, had to open up her background and the background of her family to scrutiny, and then said 'yes' to Sen. McCain when asked to be his VP nominee. You sound so naive to suggest that there is a "Republican power master". And if there is, there is also one in the Democratic party.

Posted by: ProParents | September 1, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

The SEX discrimination in the media and the DEMOCRAT party is sick. Flatly sick! First Hillary and now this!

The past 3 days have all been about VETTING a Vice President. NOONE VEETTED THE NO EXPRIENCE MALE PRESIDENT CANDIDATE OBAMA! HE HAS NO EXPERIENCE!
NONE! ND HE WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT! HELLO MEDIA! HELLO DEMOCRATS!

Today, it is the teen preganacy of her
daughter!From the media! And this column makes it a race issue! It is a SEXIST issue! And this is total bull. Had she been a Democrat we may have NEVER known as she may have had an abortion.

And then we have CNN discussing this becoming MORE of a problem with having children and being the Vice President. Do they really mean BEING A WOMAN AND RAISING A FAMILY WHILE the VP? If she were a man this SEXIST comment would NEVER have come up.

If there was any doubt about voting for McCain/Palin the hypocritical and sexist reactions of the media and the Democrat Party have made the decision for me.


Posted by: SEXIST MEDIA AND DEMOCRATS | September 1, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Now Sarah Palin can be so proud of daughter Bristol as she is offered as a teenage role model for millions of American girls.

Posted by: ernie | September 1, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I just read the comments on CNN's "Ticker" regarding Palin's daughter, and most were disgraceful. My commendations to the writer of this column for being much more restrained.

The case for emphasizing abstinence educataion does not stand or fall on the outcome for one child. Nor does the outcome for Palin's daughter mean that her parents were failures. Children are influenced by much more than parental teachings.

Posted by: Ted Hewlett | September 1, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I am amazed at you Dems and your ignorance. Last time I checked, abstinence DOES work. When two people choose to NOT have sex, that results in NO pregnanciy--100% of the time. Get a grip! You Dems are only for women if their liberal idiots like Pelosi, Boxer, et al. Besides, our VP is hotter than any of the ones you've ever fielded!

Posted by: sms_8oo | September 1, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Bristol was raised by conservative parents who are very well off and educated. Her mother is a governor and father is an OIL executive. I support her decision to keep the baby. It is even easier that she is probably going to marry the father and the parents are supportive and very well-off. But, imagine a teenager who is living on food stamp or at minimum wage without health insurance with little or no education probably duped and raped and become pregnant but does not know how to protect her rights and does not have her parents/community/society supporting her. For her it is so important that she has the choice for abortion. The mother will be subjected to serious health risks due to lack of care and under age and the child who will most likely born with some birth defect due to mother age, physical conditions and lack of health care. A birth would actually end two lives. A choice will actually save two lives. Let’s be rational, practical and reasonable in 21st century.

Saving life is not just life at conception …. It is beyond birth …. How our kids are raised, educated cared for ….. With no education, health care and at minimum wage, life is a worse punishment than death itself. Let’s ensure every one is guaranteed of education, health care and respectable wage …. that’s what will make life worth saving. That will enable every Bristol to keep the child, even if she is not governor's daughter. Pro-choice is the choice to SAVE life ….. that is truly pro-life. Causing 100000 Iraqis and 5000 innocent brave soldiers die for no reason is not pro-life.

Posted by: mbrane | September 1, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm an Obama supporter, and had this been one of his daughters I would be saying the say thing. She is much too young and had she been in any other family, shed be in trouble, not being praised. We shouldn't allow children to think that her situation is ok. It really isn't. She was careless and is very lucky she comes from a welthy family. For other children this wouldn't be the case. This is not what McCain needed to help his Position on family values.

Posted by: Dustin Burwell | September 1, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Wake up america... abstinence works every single time its tried. At least this baby will have 2 parents.

Posted by: Don | September 1, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Fortunately for Sarah Palin's daughter, she has the support of a well to do family, unfortunately not many other pregnant teens do these days.

I wonder what the reaction from the conservatives would be if Obama had a 17 year old daughter that became pregnant?

and

How old is the boy who got her pregnant?, the McCain campaign is citing privacy rules so I can only think that the boy is a minor too.

Posted by: JR | September 1, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

The American family has fallen apart during the past 40 years and the result is seen in things like drug use by tens of millions, underage pregnancies, crime and all the rest. We probably have 40 to 50 million people in this country that shouldn't even be here thanks to the greed of the wealthy that run this nation. Now that everybody is empowered we see the result---I feel sorry for the children and the lives they will lead

Posted by: Jim | September 1, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Damn, as a Conservative Christian I CAN'T vote for this woman anymore!!!! She can't even control her own daughter!!! She is a shame for all the Christians and she should be purged of our community! I was finally thinking on vote on McCain because of her, but now she just showed she is another agent of the Enemy of the Humankind! A liar and a deceiver! We real Christians have no option on this election!!! We are between Mecca and Babylon!!! I will have to vote for Barr...

Posted by: ChristCindy | September 1, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I never completely understood why people would be upset by pre-marital sex or out-of-wedlock babies. Take a quick look at anyone's family history and do a little math on marraige dates and first borns. Did you ever wonder why we had so many child brides back then? There is no lack of morality...we're just human. Why can't we just keep people's private business out of politics?

Posted by: Jan Napack | September 1, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

As Joyce Elders, the former Surgeon General said, "...abstenience is much easier to break than a condom." While teaching abstenience is fine on one level, sex education--how humans mature to sexual beings, sexual diseases, et al--is also needed. How can we expect our young men and women to abstain when they do not understand fully what they are abstaining from? Like drugs, it's more than merely saying "no." Education, not dogma, is the key to preventing early pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases.

Posted by: Jackie | September 1, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Mr. King, it does seem like there's a bit of a double-standard going on here, though. When a child is born to an underage and unwed black mother, the GOP immediately goes into a lengthy lecture about parental responsibility, welfare, the cost to the state, and the societal burden.

When it's the grandchild of a presumptive GOP VP candidate, then it's all "what a blessing," and flowery goodness for all. And here we have Steve Schmidt telling us that politicizing this would appall Americans, and that asking the necessary question of what effect this might have on her ability to serve was "offensive."

Why are we not allowed to ask hard questions, or even softball questions, of the right? If Obama's upbringing in Hawaii, his "fist-jab," his wife's college papers, etc. can be politicized fairly, then surely asking some questions of a candidate who supports abstinence-only programs about how it worked within her own family should be fair game?

The fact is, when you run for political office, you open the doors to public scrutiny. The GOP has no problem with that at all when it's about a Democrat, but it's another story when it's one of their own.

Posted by: Salil Maniktahla | September 1, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

What else do you expect from the 17 year old brat of a numbskull who against all scientific wisdom went ahead and conceived a baby at an age of 44 when malformity risks are high and sure enough when she is told of a baby with downs syndrome, blames God for it and sentences the child to a life time of misery by bringing it to the world and gets a hero award from the "republican base" for it?

Posted by: RealityCheck | September 1, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I don't for the life of me understand why sex education (or lack of it) is a political issue at all. You think comprehensive sex education is effective and the way to go? Tell your kids all about sex and contraception, then. What's stopping you? On the flip side, you think abstinence is right? Teach it to your kids.

Why do you need the government to not only do it for you, but to put your views (whichever way you lean) onto everyone else's kids, too?

Parents should be responsible for teaching this stuff, not schools. No wonder we're falling behind the rest of the world academically. Too much time talking about the birds and the bees (or keeping your pants on, depending on the district) and not enough spend on the three Rs. Shameful!

Posted by: Mrs. H. | September 1, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I think her daughter should get an abortion! Keepin it real.

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: David | September 1, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Do we really want this miss in the White House? Go back to being the mayor of hick town.

Posted by: Ross | September 1, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Mr.King, People will be angry for various reasons. The bible plays a big role in many conservative lives.

I can't digest Sarah Palin. Not for her parenting, not for her teen daughter getting pregnant but for lack of moral values.

She brings out a child that she knew has down syndrome before birth. That boy IS GOING TO SUFFER HIS ENTIRE LIFE AS A RETARD. WHAT KIND OF MOTHER WOULD DO THAT? and she is pro-life to the extent that she opposes obortion even in the case of RAPE AND INCEST. The Palins are just too conservative and have UNETHICAL MORAL VALUES. and She wants to be a Vice-President??

Posted by: Robert Erb | September 1, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Blaming Palin for her daughter's actions is stupid. Her daughter is 17 and can make decisions of her own. Mommy isn't holding her hand anymore. It's her choice to make the beast with two backs outside of marriage contrary to what her mother taught her. Shame on her. But it's commendable that her mother is forgiving and is supporting her and her decision to save life by keeping the baby.

PS. For all those out there that think abstinence does not work: Pathetic! Of course it works!! I'm 29 and have kept it in my pants for that long. It's a matter of self-control and unfortunately there are a lot of people out there that don't have self control. Teach self-control, self-respect, respect for others, and the level of responsibility it takes to have a child. Tell the stories of single mothers living in sub-poverty conditions trying to make ends meet while their child (children) is starving or suffering from malnutrition. Show pictures; you know the cliche... If they can't come to the conclusion that they need to wait until they're in an economic position to take care of children, they probably shouldn't have children anyway....

Posted by: me | September 1, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Palin's daughter has nothing to do with it -- but it points out how Sarah Palin's parenting skills have failed her, and reflects on her potential skills as a leader.

It also points out that the rate of teen pregnancies and STDs will skyrocket if McSame/Palin are in office, and try to push more "abstinence only" programs, and God forbid, repeal Roe v. Wade.

Posted by: ScaryBob | September 1, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Well at least Sarah Palin's daughter knows who da daddy be. Show me one welfare mother in south side Chicago dat knows dat.

Posted by: nigslime | September 1, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

It's a good thing Palin likes SHOOTING GUNS, now she can preside over a SHOT GUN WEDDING!

Posted by: a.m. | September 1, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

My teen son's girl friend says " do people think they are fooling...these days if you get pregnant...you have to be trying ...it's too easy to not get pregnant". Makes me wonder how responsible Ms Palin is.

Posted by: mah | September 1, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is not a Christian!!! Real Christian families won't let the devil do what he did with this girl and this 16 year old boy!!! She is just another wolf on sheep-skin!!!! Thanks God her mask fell to the ground!!! God won't let His people be misguided for this seductress and liar!!!

Posted by: PrJack | September 1, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I read in utter disbelief some of the callous and clearly ignorant comments made regarding this "news". Though not a supporter, I applaud Obama's comment that family and especially children need to be kept out of the mudslinging festival that is the thrust of our campaign process today. I'm certain this event is cause for distress in the Palin home and yet I don't think it is cause to indict the very beliefs the candidate is embracing. I feel some credit is deserved for placing a candidates strong beliefs in plain view to allow voters to decide if they can support them versus the smoke and mirrors we typically see. Perhaps we should look more closely at our own stated beliefs and how perfectly they manifest themselves in our lives before immediately casting criticism. How well would we all pass muster given the intense scrutiny all our potential leaders are placed under? I agree with an earlier comment albeit for differing reasons. Why would anyone expose their frailties to our ever judgemental, yet wholely imperfect society?

Posted by: pal | September 1, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Please, dear sir, head on over to The Huffington Post or the Daily Kos and see how much tolerance and acceptance is being given to this family and Ms Palin in general. You and yours must be so proud.

Posted by: MW | September 1, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

So what if Sarah Palin has smoked marijuana as have the vast majority of Americans under the age 50; and so what if her daughter got pregant out of wedlock. I'd vote for nearly anyone who would bring new blood to Washington DC. My grown daughter can't remember when there wasn't either a Bush or a Clinton in the Oval Office. When I was my daughter's age I had experienced five Presidents -- Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon.
Sterling Greenwood
Aspen Free Press

Posted by: AspenFreePress | September 1, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

The fact is that teen pregnancy among blacks is the highest on a percentage basis of any ethnic group in America.

I don't think anyone advocates teen pregnancy, because adolescent girls generally don't have the emotional maturity, let alone the financial resources to parent a child.

The silver lining to Bristol Palin's situation is that she has support, both financial and emotional to take this baby to term and will marry the baby's father, assuring that the child will have two parents. Sadly, that is seldom the case in most teen pregnancies, especially in the black community.

Senator Obama recognizes the damage caused by teen pregnancy, and especially the damage to children who have fathers they never knew. He lectured fellow African- Americans about that problem when he spoke before the NAACP.

Now, what was that point Colbert King was trying to make?

Posted by: Henry | September 1, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I think it shows how out of touch evangelical christian parents are. I doubt very much that the Palins taught their daughter the dangers of unprotected sex. Instead they probably preached the evangelical message of abstinence and sex is only right inside a marriage message. Is Vice-President nominee Palin now going to change her views on unproteceted sex outside of marriage?

Posted by: George Smith | September 1, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I wish Palin's daughter the best. And I wish Palin the best. Having heard her for the first time two days ago and having read a good deal about her, I am genuinely excited. Here is a hard hitting governor that holds people accountable. Her is a governor who has worked with her hands and her mind. Can you imagine McCain, Obama, or Biden trying to run a fishing operation near the Arctic Circle? And she's forced the oil companies to contribute to the state as well. Sarah Palin has had more impact on the media in two days, than the other three candidates combined. The extreme interest from the media would indicate there is a great fear of her candidacy out there. I hope Palin tears up the world. She is a great change of pace!

Posted by: SDCol | September 1, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I do applaud Ms. Palin's choices and their unconditional support for their daughter. This should be a lesson that there are alternatives to abortion.

My only hope is that people will not turn this into a political issue. My spider-sense, however, is telling me that because she is Republican, she will receive more grace from the Dobsons of the world than if she were a Democrat. If it were Obama's daughter, we would probably hear about his lack of moral character, ineffectiveness in instilling character in his family, and the fact that if he can't handle his own family how can he handle leading a nation, etc. I hope this isn't true. I'm not going to blame Ms. Palin. I sure hope she wouldn't do the same if the shoe were on the other foot.

Posted by: Mr. G | September 1, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Is there a CRIME here?

The father's age hasn't been reported. Statutory Rape is a possibility when youths have children. If Ms. Palin's lover was 15 when conception took place, a felony has occurred.

The VP Candidate knew - but elected to expose her daughter to the scrutiny of the press and law - perhaps there will be an indictment to follow. A Trial and, ultimately - the determination by the jury.

The "family values" party seems too be caught on the horns of a dilemma.

Posted by: grolaw | September 1, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

It ISN'T a non-issue. It would be a non-issue if it was your next-door neighbor or some other regular Joe, but it isn't. Sarah Palin is a vice presidential candidate and everything she does is now open to public scrutiny, as it should be.

I too have serious problems with a woman who would put her ego and ambition before the needs of her own family... ESPECIALLY when that woman is touting right-wing fundamentalist Christian values.

She should step away from the campaign immediately. I cannot fathom her continuing this charade. How sad for her kids! The adage rings true: The bigger they get, the harder they fall. WHAT in the world was she possibly thinking? She should have just said "NO" to McCain in the first place.

Talk about poor judgment!! She will never be vice president now; that much is a no-brainer.

Guess she'll have to write a book about it and go on the nationwide talk show tour....

It's time these Republicans stopped pandering to the evangelicals. Leave your darn religion OUT of politics, please.

Posted by: mamacita | September 1, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Now, if this had been a hard-driving, ambitious Democrat whose daughter became pregnant, it's all quite predictable that the pious religious conservatives would be tch,tch,tching about how if the mother was in the home and raising her kids, this wouldn't have happend. Surely this poor girl's home life must have been substandard and lacking in proper teaching of morals, abstinence and the sin of sex before marriage.

Gawd, payback is hell. It's just too bad that a young lady has to suffer because of some stridently held beliefs. If she had been properly educated in birth control, perhaps it could have been avoided. Condoms fail once in 1000 times, abstinence fails 990 out of 1000 times.

Posted by: chuck | September 1, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I don't like Palin's politics and I agree her daughter's pregnancy is a personal, not a political issue. What is really disturbing to me is the blind sexism underlying these questions as to how Palin will balance her parental responsibilities with the responsibilities of being vice president. If she were a man, would anyone be asking those questions?

Posted by: Neen | September 1, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

"Yes let her speak and explain and congratulations on being grandparents and I hope your fridge is full of Caribou hot dogs and you can continue to be the pride of a small town in Alaska and settle feuds the way back water people do but please get out of the way before its too late."

This demonstrates, more than anything else, how ignorant, prejudiced and demeaning the general urban American public is regarding Alaskan rural life and those who were born to it. Apparently, liberal bigotry has sunk to new debts. For shame, I would have hoped that would not have been the case.

Posted by: Alaskan | September 1, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

We should not be surprised that a daughter of a radical antiabortionist evangelical opponent of sex education turns up pregnant: the correlation between teenage pregnancy and religious fundamentalism is well known. It is primarily a "red state" phenomenon.

Posted by: Lou | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm an Obama supporter and for anything that tears down the Republicans, but you know what? She's a kid. She is a kid going through a tough time and she shouldn't be used as a political tool or a springboard for national debate. This is a family matter and we should leave it alone.Sure they would jump all over it if the shoe was on the other foot, but that doesn't mean we should.
I just know if it was my kid and reporters were camped out on my lawn because of it, I'd happily bust some heads on the evening news.
Like Obama said -- Kids are off limits.

Posted by: Scott | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Eight out of 10 pregnancies in teens are unplanned. When are people in America going to realize this is a serious issue? Prevention and education are key. Abstience Only programs work almost as well as No Child Left Behind works in the education. We need to have the Courage to Talk our own children about sex, love, relationships, values, pregnancy, and family formation. Wake Up America!

Posted by: http://sonasez.blogspot.com | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

ProParents, I'm finger-pointing because I saw it coming...days ago.

I agree that Palin said yes...my argument is that McCain should not have put her in this position because of the Family issues that would have (did and still are) coming to light.

The Moral and Ethical thing for Mr. McCain to have done is told her that while he would have loved to have her on the ticket, he did not want her and her family to be put through the obvious media frenzy and subsequent pain that would ensue. That's what I would have done...maybe I'm just special. Seeing as I understand that being a podunk, hillbilly from MO...you'd think that a Senator for over 20 years would have noticed.

Posted by: SWMissouri | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I wonder whose health care plan will cover the OB/GYN bills as well as the pediatrician's? The baby's mom and dad, or its grandparents? Perhaps Alaska has a state-sponsored plan? If it's a good-enough plan, perhaps it should be considered for all of us at the federal level.

Posted by: Kathleen | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

What a lot of people, white, black, Hispanic, Asian etc. don't seem to realize, by now, is that even some children who are raised in a stable well adjusted home can make mistakes in their teenage years.

There is the saying "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink". This is true with all children.

This is the reason why even some children of preachers get pregnant out of wedlock.

Everyone should know by now that "people make mistakes", whether they are adults or teens, or children.

He who is without sin, cast the first stone.

It is our responsibility to teach our children good moral values, but it is their choice to live it once they are old enough to make decisions.

I believe that Sarah Palin is the right choice for vice-president. She is a wife and parent, and she has accomplished many things that have helped the the people of Alaska.

She is intelligent, strong, tenacious, and stands up for what is right. Yes, one of her daughters is pregnant, but that has nothing to do with her abilities to be an effective vice-president.

Vote McCain, I will.

Maria

Posted by: Maria | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

She has more experience that Mr. Obama. She connects to ordinary people who have to go to work everyday. Obama picked his vp so that he can get on the job training. Being president is not the streets of Chicago....

Posted by: Elias | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Mr King, you treated the lady right..there su no reason that a mother or father should talk about their private affair, the only persons that want to know are the one that like to see another person in pain... to them it is like reading a dirty book......shame on all that think that way...

Posted by: joe bowser | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

As a pointy-headed bleeding heart liberal democrat it is my hope that the media - and the good people of this country - will stop talking about Gov Palin's private family matters and start talking about policy issues.

The last I checked, as a result of excessive lobbying and deregulation, we had a housing crisis that threatened to take down the financial system. What does Palin think about that?

How would she handle Iraq if, after we were told to leave by Maliki, the situation there devolved into civil war and Iran and Saudi Arabia joined the fray?

How does she plan on re-engineering the educational system so that we can compete with the Chinese in the 21st century?

How will she balance the budget when social security and entitlement programs (medicare, medicaid, etc) continue to grow?

That is what we should be focused on. The dumbing down of America, symbolized by George "Forrest" Bush and John "Mr Magoo" McCain, has to stop. Now. We have real issues to deal with.

Posted by: Deep Blue | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

"I'm also happy to learn that their daughter will have the unconditional love and support of the entire family as she and her husband-to-be raise their baby."

Gosh, you really are an idiot. This is the best comment that you can come up with as a journalist?

A 4th Estate has reached a new nadir.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Eight out of 10 pregnancies in teens are unplanned. When are people in America going to realize this is a serious issue? Prevention and education are key. Abstience Only programs work almost as well as No Child Left Behind works in the education. We need to have the Courage to Talk our own children about sex, love, relationships, values, pregnancy, and family formation. Wake Up America!

Posted by: http://sonasez.blogspot.com | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm an Obama supporter and for anything that tears down the Republicans, but you know what? She's a kid. She is a kid going through a tough time and she shouldn't be used as a political tool or a springboard for national debate. This is a family matter and we should leave it alone.
I just know if it was my kid and reporters were camped out on my lawn because of it, I'd happily bust some heads on the evening news.
Like Obama said -- Kids are off limits.

Posted by: Scott | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Mr King, you treated the lady right..there is no reason that a mother or father should talk about their private affair, the only persons that want to know are the one that like to see another person in pain... to them it is like reading a dirty book......shame on all that think that way...

Posted by: joe bowser | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Palin's daughter has chosen not to have an abortion and that's great. Both her parents and the McCain campaign have made it clear that she made this choice and that everyone stands by her choice. That's fantastic. However, they want to take the right to choose away from everyone else in America. That's terrible! Every pregnant teen should be able to choose whether to have the child or not.

Posted by: fletc3her | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

She has more experience that Mr. Obama. She connects to ordinary people who have to go to work everyday. Obama picked his vp so that he can get on the job training. Being president is not the streets of Chicago....

Posted by: Elias | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Eight out of 10 pregnancies in teens are unplanned. When are people in America going to realize this is a serious issue? Prevention and education are key. Abstience Only programs work almost as well as No Child Left Behind works in the education. We need to have the Courage to Talk our own children about sex, love, relationships, values, pregnancy, and family formation. Wake Up America!

Posted by: http://sonasex.blogspot.com | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Face it...we're screwed AGAIN in this election. Mrs. Palin is just the icing on the cake.

Posted by: Paul | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Eight out of 10 pregnancies in teens are unplanned. When are people in America going to realize this is a serious issue? Prevention and education are key. Abstience Only programs work almost as well as No Child Left Behind works in the education. We need to have the Courage to Talk our own children about sex, love, relationships, values, pregnancy, and family formation. Wake Up America!

Posted by: http://sonasez.blogspot.com | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

i bet she's against national health care too but has no problem using gov't coverage just like other republican politicians...we pay for hypocrisy in so many ways

Posted by: figures | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Eight out of 10 pregnancies in teens are unplanned. When are people in America going to realize this is a serious issue? Prevention and education are key. Abstience Only programs work almost as well as No Child Left Behind works in the education. We need to have the Courage to Talk our own children about sex, love, relationships, values, pregnancy, and family formation. Wake Up America!

Posted by: http://sonasex.blogspot.com | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

The Religious Right will always find ways to twist their logic to suit themselves, and condemn others.

Posted by: Edo River | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

The Vice Presidency of the United States is a 24/7 job. What is Sarah Palin going to give up if John McCain is elected and she becomes the VP? How is she going to give adequate attention to a 4 month old special needs baby, a pregnant 17 year old daughter and, oh yes, her job?

Something has gone horribly wrong here.If Mr.McCain knew about this, he might want to have spent five minutes thinking about the implications to our great country.

Posted by: Tc | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Rofl... lololol ahhahahaaa...

oh - this is RICH !

Posted by: PulSamsara | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Those of you who "blame" parents for their children's mistakes obviously are single. Trust me, people make mistakes esp. kids. Regarding Sarah Palin, why should she postpone her career??...she has a supportive husband, doesn't she? Obama has children and a wife who works, is he a bad parent? I feel McCain made a wise choice in Palin. Women will back her!!!!

Posted by: Molly | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

"Yes let her speak and explain and congratulations on being grandparents and I hope your fridge is full of Caribou hot dogs and you can continue to be the pride of a small town in Alaska and settle feuds the way back water people do but please get out of the way before its too late."

This demonstrates, more than anything else, how ignorant, prejudiced and demeaning the general urban American public is regarding Alaskan rural life and those who were born to it. Apparently, liberal bigotry has sunk to new debts. For shame, I would have hoped that would not have been the case.

Posted by: Alaskan | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

The Vice Presidency of the United States is a 24/7 job. What is Sarah Palin going to give up if John McCain is elected and she becomes the VP? How is she going to give adequate attention to a 4 month old special needs baby, a pregnant 17 year old daughter and, oh yes, her job?

Something has gone horribly wrong here.If Mr.McCain knew about this, he might want to have spent five minutes thinking about the implications to our great country.

Posted by: Tc | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

The Palin pregnancy is significant because it demonstrates that even when parents preach abstinence, teenagers WILL HAVE SEX. And underage, unmarried girls WILL GET PREGNANT. No amount of preaching will stop it.

What has at least a chance of reducing unwanted pregnancies is sex education in high schools, particularly about methods of birth control, like use of condoms. They'll still have sex, but fewer babies.

Duh...

Posted by: Malama Makena | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

How sad for a 17 year old to be thrust into the national media concerning a very private and personal matter. Sadder still that an ambitious mother of a pregnant 17 year old decides to expose her daughter to the media blitzgrig so that she can run for vice president. If she did, indeed, know prior to today's announcement, if she indeed, knew while she was getting, she should have passed, simply stating that her place was with her family now !

Posted by: Gee Whiz in Georgia | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

She has more experience that Mr. Obama. She connects to ordinary people who have to go to work everyday. Obama picked his vp so that he can get on the job training. Being president is not the streets of Chicago....

Posted by: Elias | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin ought to stay home and mind the store, not try to play vice president

Posted by: George Vihlstrand | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Look I know it sounds crazy but if you read the story given here you have to wonder:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332

Did Sarah Palin fake her fith pregancy to protect her then 16 year old daughter? The photos are amazing and if true Palin needs to step out of the picture ASAP.

Posted by: jefflz | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/2006/09/12/USTPstats.pdf

There is a great divide along racial lines, for teenage pregnancies. We should not be that blind to the FACTs

Demands to curtail welfare checks, seems fine to me.

Posted by: Alam | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

What a lot of people, white, black, Hispanic, Asian etc. don't seem to realize, by now, is that even some children who are raised in a stable well adjusted home can make mistakes in their teenage years.

There is the saying "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink". This is true with all children.

This is the reason why even some children of preachers get pregnant out of wedlock.

Everyone should know by now that "people make mistakes", whether they are adults or teens, or children.

He who is without sin, cast the first stone.

I believe that Sarah Palin is the right choice for vice-president. She is a wife and parent, and she has accomplished many things that have helped the the people of Alaska.

She is intelligent, strong, tenacious, and stands up for what is right. Yes, one of her daughters is pregnant, but that has nothing to do with her abilities to be an effective vice-president.

Vote McCain, I will.

Maria

Posted by: Maria | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

"Yes let her speak and explain and congratulations on being grandparents and I hope your fridge is full of Caribou hot dogs and you can continue to be the pride of a small town in Alaska and settle feuds the way back water people do but please get out of the way before its too late."

This demonstrates, more than anything else, how ignorant, prejudiced and demeaning the general urban American public is regarding Alaskan rural life and those who were born to it. Apparently, liberal bigotry has sunk to new debts. For shame, I would have hoped that would not have been the case.

Posted by: Alaskan | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

She has more experience that Mr. Obama. She connects to ordinary people who have to go to work everyday. Obama picked his vp so that he can get on the job training. Being president is not the streets of Chicago....

Posted by: Elias | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm an Obama supporter and for anything that tears down the Republicans, but you know what? She's a kid. She is a kid going through a tough time and she shouldn't be used as a political tool or a springboard for national debate. This is a family matter and we should leave it alone.
I just know if it was my kid and reporters were camped out on my lawn because of it, I'd happily bust some heads on the evening news.
Like Obama said -- Kids are off limits.

Posted by: Scott | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

This Palin lady is a shame for all of us, Christians!!! Jesus said "better for someone to tie a rock to his neck and jump on a river than put our community on shame". This lady deserves no mercy for her irresponsibility!!! If she handles her family this way, think about on how she will going to handle our country????

Posted by: OutWithPalin | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

The problem is not the pregnant daughter.

The problem is the neglectful mother - Sarah Palin. She should be the one scrutinized highly.

Sarah Palin, who talked about family values, about abstinence before marriage, obviously neglected her five children. Those words fell on the deaf neglected ears of the people most important in her life - her own cihldren.

A good mother realizes that two children are equivalent to a full time job. When you get to four children, you cannot work outside the home without neglecting your children. And this is what happened.

Do we want this person as our President?

If she says her executive experience is that of a mother of five children, then she has been neglectful as an executive.

Do we want this person as our President?

Yes, the child who is pregnant needs our sympathy and support.

But, oh her mother! The neglectful mother does not.

Do we want this person as our President?

No.

Posted by: James Katt | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Whew. At least the air went out of the Trig story. Unfortunately the McCain campaign had to dump Bristol's pregnancy out in front of the nation because they failed to vet properly. They were unprepared because of McCain's rash decision making. Otherwise, they would have had a bead on this swirling rumor and have had pregnant pictures of the Gov and her doctor on tap.

Posted by: aklocal | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

It sure proves abstence education, even from a ardent supporter of abstence education, just does not work.

How wonderful they are ready to be grandparents, and their daughter is just so ready to give up a collage education and settle down to start a life of being barefoot and pregnant at the sweet age of 17.

Plain has been very vocal against any type of the use of birth control. Now her daughter is in a jamb.

Her daughter probably did not tell her mother for months, being too scared, and now some poor boy is going to be shanghaied into marrying the stupid girl, who's mother would not allow her to use birth control.

Good example for the nation, get your daughters pregnant before graduation, insist on them having the child, and then see if they can make a salvage a working marriage from their juvenile mistake.

Most sensible politicians, who have run on an abstinence platform, would have realized that it's real egg on their face, and stepped down, not up.

I am just so happy that the child is conceived out of wedlock but to rich grandparents. After all, we know that's all a baby needs, a silver spoon in it's mouth.

Posted by: IM | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

boring....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Many teen mothers don't have the luxury of the emotional and financial support the Palin family can provide their daughter. How sad that Palin can't see that programs like sex-ed and contraception distribution help keep kids of all races and economic backgrounds from messing up their lives....but even more tragic how her views on contraception, sex education and abortion help perpetuate a system that has become so skewed against those at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder that the American Dream is a now a near impossibility. If we want a country where 1% of the population controls 90% of the wealth, well we are already living in it. If we want even more of the same, vote McCain.

Posted by: Dorn | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

It never ceases to amaze me about how vitriolic hard core liberals can be in chastising people who do not see the world through their particular lens. As this campaign has gone on for the past year, it has really struck me that liberals see the world as a glass half empty and see themselves as victims. As a result, they have a tendency to lash out at others who they see as ones to blame for their unhappiness. I don't consider myself a conservative and I voted for Clinton twice. So no one should view me with a Republican label. As a dad of two adult girls of my own, I have learned that teenagers will do what they decide to do. Also, bad things can happen in families with great parents. Finally, on the topic of sex education, those lessons are best taught within the family. Why this should be a government function baffles me and frankly I doubt it could be effective.

Posted by: Joe | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Not being born here I am bewildered by the partisan politics and theater of politics in the US. When does the average voter start to worry about good government and not the personal lives of politicians? Many Republican politicos sure try so hard to represent a way of life but have trouble living according to the plan. Of course it gets them elected from time to time but how hard it must be to be against HPV vaccine because they say it promtoes promiscuity but in the end really hurts womens health; against gay marriage and then have two republicans busted for soliciting men etc etc. I think we need three parties; Republican (for big business); some religious based party; and the Democrats.

Posted by: observer | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Sure, some change of pace, all right, if you're comfortable with a mother who may have condoned a three-year relationship between a then-14-year-old child--her daughter!--and a 23-year-old man. I have one word: DISGUSTING.
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I hope Palin tears up the world. She is a great change of pace!

Posted by: SDCol | September 1, 2008 5:58 PM

Posted by: Pea Soup | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Deep Blue, it seem you have drank a little too much of the salt water. What is so right wing about holding the life of a child sacred, which it is. You sound like an absolute Fool.

Posted by: Michael Wright | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I don't see how race ever got involved to begin with? Palin and her offspring are all caucasian (majority), end of story.

Teen pregnancy (read: promiscuity) rates are often similar, or even higher in rural "bible belt" areas as they are in the inner cities of large metros. The teen promiscuity problem has little to do with race or socio-economic status. And statistics can be easily skewed - so I won't even claim that the problem has much to do with where a kid is physically raised. It has everything to do with the social enviorment that all of our kids are being forced to grow up with, and how willing the parents really are to protect them from it. We sexualize everything from PG films, to TV commercials - many of which are ABOUT sex and sex functionality, even during daytime. We have pro-homosexuality agendas in the media, anti-gay agendas in the churches - all of these are injurious to the developing mind.

It's time to take back our media from the ubiquitously filthy, disgusting, immoral and unethical advertising. Better yet, we need to unplug our children and ourselves, and start actually raising them again.

Matt in TN

Posted by: Matt | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

You left wing nuts and kooks are crazy, and more importantly, and unfortunately, sexist and misogynist to the extreme. So a very successful, accomplished, powerful woman shouldn't run for VP because she has a family?? You are all nuts. But I guess it makes sense---you would rather it be that only single and/or childless and self-loathing radical leftist women hold the reins of power in this country.

Posted by: Gator | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

This Palin lady is a shame for all of us, Christians!!! Jesus said "better for someone to tie a rock to his neck and jump on a river than put our community on shame". This lady deserves no mercy for her irresponsibility!!! If she handles her family this way, think about on how she will going to handle our country????

Posted by: OutWithPalin | September 1, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Good column!

Unfortunately, though, there are a whole lot of self-righteous, agenda-pushing jack-asses out there who will try to use this 'pregnancy' for their own purposes.

Particularly galling are the fools who think other human beings, in particular children, can be raised, taught and 'controlled' to live error free! This doesn't happen in the real world.

Yes guidance helps, but anyone who has ever been a parent, knows that luck is an even larger factor.

Posted by: gdgarant | September 1, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse


The rude stuff most of you Obama supporters are spouting makes clear that you're bigger losers than the Republicans who wouldn't stop harping on Bill Clinton for the Lewinsky fiasco.

Obama supports are the most spineless cowards in this country.

Posted by: Edude | September 1, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm white. I point out my race because I know firsthand that teen-aged pregnancy is not an issue of race. As a 17-year-old, I became pregnant and chose to give birth to the child and place him for adoption.

Here is another wrinkle: I am also pro-choice. I, however, made the decision that was best for me.

Life is complicated, and Gov. Palin and her daughter are only human. The fact of the girl's pregnancy is not relevant to her mother's candidacy, despite her mother's positions on sex education and abortion.

Only fools will say that Gov. Palin's daughter is proof of some shortfall in Palin's parenting or her ability to lead. Only bigger fools will say the girl should have had an abortion. And the biggest fools of all will say that teen-age pregnancy is a non-white problem.

By the way, I support Sen. Obama for president.

Let's how a little humanity here, for God's sake! Grow up, people.

Posted by: Caldwellelle | September 1, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

This pregnancy is a coverup! Bristol is not pregnant and will have a “miscarriage”, and then they can use this “pregnancy” to deny that Trig is Bristol’s son, and then say that they don’t want to talk about her tragic miscarriage.

Posted by: coverup | September 1, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Well, since Sarah sent Tod back to work for BP so that they could send their children to good Christian universities, at least they have one less to (pretend to) educate and one more teen mother to put on Alaska's welfare rolls. Nice going, devout Christian hypocrites!

Posted by: progressintexas | September 1, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

oh... you mean WHITE girls getting preggers - well, we should take care of them and honor their mom and pops, they have a big cross to bear...bless their hearts..

...same old double standards that have been around for years.. nothing new here ...now, they say ...let them deal with this private matter in private ...unless it is YOUR private matter .. then they tell you how you should deal with it ...plain and simple, the child has no guidance and no morals .. and that is what they want us to buy for the next 4 years...ain't gonna happen ...

Posted by: Waco, Texas | September 1, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

It appears that Sarah Palin's daughter is now set to marry the father of her child. Would the Reverend Jeremiah Wright be conducting the ceremonies?? I think that would be very fitting and be a generous move by all those rabid Republicans who are ready o climb the moral high horse when it suits them

Posted by: H. Ali Tosis | September 1, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Until I became blind, I could not see. The words of hate from those who sit on the left side of the aisle is a disgrace.

Posted by: dave | September 1, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

This Palin mess says far more about McCain's judgement than Palin's. He is saying now that he knew about the pregnancy, and the 'Alaska Troopergate' problems before he selected her. Palin and her husband are certainly not practitioners of abstinence themselves. But that isn't the issue. The issue is that John McCain wants to put this woman one 72-yr-old heartbeat away from the big chair. Has he become so disillusioned with the available republican talent, that he needs such a problem-riddled candidate?
Of course Palin is still having kids herself. When that famous '3-o'clock-in-the-morning' call rings in the White House.... the president might be in labor.

Posted by: mac | September 1, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse


this issue is a private one
-for da baby mommy
-and da baby daddy

one that i don't think we should be talking about -


Posted by: bravemind | September 1, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't agree with Obama that families should be off limit on political issues, Republicans used ethics, morality, religion, personal character time and again as tool for political leverage, for them common sense, realism, experience are not only secondary but also scuttle back opponents whose embrace it as naive, indecent and anti religious. I'm glad that their own rhetoric came back to bite them right on time. Gov Palin should explain her stand on teenage pregnancy and her role as responsible mother. This apart she also should explain her stance in state trooper firing scandal.

Posted by: Jeff | September 1, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I am a conservative, however I am starting to see the logic in abortion. Just think if we mandated it for any unwanted child. Pretty soon there would be no liberals around. They would have all been aborted..That I think is the strongest argument ive ever heard of to support abortion. Hell I could even see gay mariages .. no need for abortion , just a bunch of gays and lesbians, who couldnt propagate, soon their would be no more liberals as well... think about it.....

Posted by: bubba | September 1, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I think Palin should head for the exit.

Astride a high horse, she preaches Republican "family values" relentlessly while her own daughter isn't on board.

Now she finds herself with two special needs children in her family: an infant with a severe disability and a pregnant teenage daughter. They both require her full attention and support.

If Palin can't honor her own rhetoric in the breach, then I want none of her. Such blatant hypocrisy is intolerable.

Posted by: Achshav | September 1, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

what about morals????
i'm not a preacher or anything, but morals stand for something
i really admired Palin, despite being a Democrat myself, for the way she handled this situation. But I really think people are disregarding the moral aspect of it. I know they were in love, I know it's common, but still, am I the only one that thinks this way???

P.S i'm not judging anyone, and kudos if you are a teen mother for taking on a HUGE reponsibility

Posted by: rambling | September 1, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Shades of Dan Quayle - Miss Palin must have been watching too much Murphy Brown.

Posted by: Suzie | September 1, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Shades of Dan Quayle - Miss Palin must have been watching too much Murphy Brown.

Posted by: Suzie | September 1, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

It saddens me to see so many people "Throwing stones"... I suggest they take a minute and RE-READ the bible...

What has happened is a sin, yet sin is made to be forgiven--HOWEVER the "consequences" of that sin remain.

I have to wonder and question the upbringing of this child that had sex before marriage in a family of "strong christian values".

I will pray for the family and vote for someone else.

JMO

Posted by: Charlie | September 1, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Mr King, you gave it a good shot but the ugly partisanship of your readers will always shine through. You are absolutely correct when you state that teen pregnancy isn't a racial issue. It's not a Democrat or Republican issue either. Nor, is it an issue of "poor parenting". This is an issue that all of society must deal with.

In many ways, we expect teens to be adults when it comes to issues regarding sex but then we continue to treat them like children well into their 20's. There isn't a "political" solution to this, it's a societal problem and we need a complete attitude adjustment in order to get a grip on it.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I am very concerned about what the law states in Alaska regarding teenage sex, and if the man involved is also a minor. Sarah Palin should give her daughter the opportunity to make the decision regarding her pregnancy as an adult and not hide under the politically expedient believes of her parents. Politics is sure interesting and the governor is sure a good example of a good, christian conservative mother.

Posted by: Emmanuel, Dallas | September 1, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I appreciate the simple laying out of the case you have experienced here in the responses to your original post.

The people in judgment should be "us" being judged by ourselves, each one judging himself.

Any given topic or supposed object of ridicule, as you've proven here, only provides the litmus to indict our prejudices.

Thank you.

Posted by: hustleandfloe | September 1, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I blame the daughter. We are supposed to walk as Christ did. I don't recall the son of God tramping around getting pregnant. What and the hell is wrong with you people? Next thing you'll tell me is that a woman can run a country better than a man. God have mercy on all your souls.

Posted by: Johna | September 1, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Burn Obama and Palin together!!!! The Muslim and the Liar!!!!

Posted by: ChristKnight | September 1, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone really believe that parents can keep a 17-year-old from having sex? That is, short of chaining the kid to the furniture?

This is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to the campaign itself. I'm more concerned about Sarah Palin's being in favor of oil drilling in wildlife areas and dumbing down science education than in whether her 17-year-old daughter is smart enough to sneak out and have sex but not smart enough to use birth control.

Posted by: Starbug | September 1, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

The abstinence-only sex education (i.e. enforced ignorance) that Palin supports served her daughter well, no?

Posted by: Jim | September 1, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

most of you are like a pack of wild DOGS just waiting to sink their teeth into fresh meat. most of you are probably parents! are your kids perfect do you know what your daughter is doing while on a date? NO you dont! its time some of you get a life leave the 17 year old daughter alone. she will be the one that will spend the next 18 years at least taking care of the child. just back off let the family handle this!!!!!

Posted by: jerry | September 1, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

The reason Teen Pregancy is a black issue is that a lot of the middle and upper class whites choose to sacrifice their grandchildren on the alter of convienience.

I am a white male and know this from my work with Teen' Moms/Parents and God's property - High School Programs run by Youth for Christ helping children stay in school and raise their babies. The overwhelming majority of these children are black.

I also know because of the Hope Clinic when the majority of girls couseled away from abortion are white- middle class afraid to tell their parents, upper class being encouraged to have abortions by their parents.

Teen's getting pregnant is not a racial issue. Unfortunatly, the outcome seems to be.

Posted by: Dan B | September 1, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Im still voting for Barack Obama. Nothing of this is going to change my mind.

Posted by: Kimmo | September 1, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I guess we will be never free from the folks who judge and tell others how they should live their lives. I often wonder when the people find the time to do it. For myself, just trying to keep my life on course is a 24/7 job. I do not have the time to tell other how or what they should be doing with their lives.

More confounding for me is the fact that new life is God’s miracle and gift to us; why do people feel a need to curse it.

I guess I’ll never understand.

Posted by: Frank Venice | September 1, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama is going to lose. It's going to be a joy watching the Obamabots cry themselves into oblivion, never to be heard from again. Never have I witnessed such a hateful collection of scum as you fools. May you all burn in Hell, you lousy ****heads.

Posted by: Barrack Obama | September 1, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Not easy being a teenage mother, Good Luck!

The Left is always telling the Right how they should live and think.

I'm a bleeding-heart-tree-hugging-non-church-going-Liberal from Massachusetts and I vote for Ted Kennedy.

Unlike the Left, my daughters graduate from high school, go to college, have children while married and stay married longer.

The Left's answer to teen pregnancy - Abstinence Contracts!

Dear God!

Posted by: Paul | September 1, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

As a pro-choice woman, I absolutely believe this IS a family matter. I take issue with the statement, however, that the Palins are proud of their daughter's "choice" to have her baby. McCain and Palin do not believe there is a choice. Only whether to raise it yourself or have someone else do that for you. They wish to deny all other women and girls the right to privately make their own choices BY LAW. And I DO have a problem with that. So much for *abstinence only* sex education. The Palin family just became the poster family for us who believe in CHOICE.

Posted by: Patti | September 1, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Cite your source, Dan. That absolutely does not sound like anything Obama would say.

I commend Senator Obama for his stand on this issue, that families, especially children are off limits.

It has been Palin's decision from the get go to put her family in the spotlight. It is to be expected that her decisions and judgement would and should be questioned.

I had a child at 17. I can't help putting myself in Bristol Palin's situation and feeling mortified for her. What agony to be the subject of such speculation and nasty comments.

Teenage pregnancies know no racial boundaries. It is a serious problem in the mostly white South Carolina town where I live. I wish sex education had been taught when I was young. It was not a subject my parents could bring themselves to discuss, and I was clueless. Abstinence only has never worked and never will.

Posted by: fralene | September 1, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

As we get to know Sarah Palin, most accounts portray her as a a bright and gifted woman who has juggled and is juggling a lot. I empathize and admire that about her, even though I disagree strongly with many, but not all, of her positions. However, I seriously question Palin's judgment in accepting the VP task since she obviously did so while being willing to put what is a private matter and her daughter through the ruthless public eye. I can't imagine knowingly and willingly placing my family and my daughter in this unravelling position. Even the best of jugglers are not likely to be available as she will be needed in the coming months ---and years, both for her daughter and new grandchild. It is easy to forget that Pailin has unusual demands on her time with her own very young child with special needs. Opportunity knocks at unusual times, but is it good judgement to tackle the vice presidency, and possibly the presidency at a time like this???? And if McCain knew this, what does this say about his judgement?

Posted by: Anneta | September 1, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Condemn Palin's daughter for being pregnant at 17? So was Obama's mother. guess that doesn't matter since you are attacking Palin.

Where are your thoughts now, you now hypocrytical "socially conscious" liberals regarding Don Fowler?????

Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, suggested that the hurricane's predicted landfall on the day the Republican National Convention opens "just demonstrates that God is on our side."

I think he was mistaken. When he said "God is on our side", he didn't know God was on side with the video camera.....

Shame on you all........ The story here is not morally significant. The story is the callous disregard of life and limb by the hurricane Gustav.

The story is a Bill Clinton and his famous cigar for making promisicuous sex OK in the eyes of the young. How many innocent children thought "If it is OK for the President, it must be OK for me".

Bill Clinton was the Champion of Promiscuity Peromotion.

So shove your condemnations of Palin

Posted by: John | September 1, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Mommy's clearly behind some kind of plot to have the brother-in-law railroaded out of his state trooper's job. Sonny has already enlisted in the army at age 18. Now we learn that the 17-year-old daughter's pregnant and is about to be forced into a shotgun wedding, in the full glare of the international media, apparently for the sake of mommy's candidacy to be vice president. All families have their internal issues, but this is too much at one time. I was favorably intrigued by Palin when McCain first made the announcement on Friday, but my view on her has already soured completely. She should have spent more time at those PTA meetings focusing on the upbringing of her family, and less time plotting her future in politics.

Posted by: MarkO | September 1, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

It is ammusing that the proponents of "abstinance education" claim that abstinance works 100% of the time. That is true abstinance does prevent a pregnancy. They seem to miss the point that simply teaching abstinance as sexual eductaion does not work and does not prevent pregnancy.

Posted by: MS | September 1, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

It is shocking that a mother of 5 would even consider taking a 24/7 position....one, much less, that is a heartbeat away from the presidency of our country. Sarah Palin has obviously put her career ahead of her family...even after having a special needs baby... If she's as clueless about meeting the needs of our country as she is about meeting the needs of her family, we could be in for some trouble.

Posted by: Nola | September 1, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

This is proof that she should focus on her own house instead of the white house, she has a newborn and now her teenager is pregnant and she should focus on her family and it is sad that she chooses her career over her family, be a mother first, that is the most important thing.

Posted by: Mike | September 1, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Are we really fighting a war on two fronts and yet talking about this? Unreal.
How about we let the young Palin woman and the father work this out and focus on getting an energy policy that brings our soldiers home and reinvests our defense dollars on our people?

Posted by: John G | September 1, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

I would just like to start off by saying that I think that Sarah Palin is not equipped to be the VP. And it is not because her daughter is pregnant. Even under the best of circumstances and the best parenting, a child can still end up young and pregnant. That's totally irrelevant to her ability to serve. What IS relevant is that her priorities ARE NOT in order. It is obvious to me that this woman is power hungry and has no problem abandoning her family in order to get to the top. She has a infant with down's syndrome and a pregnant daughter who need her more than anyone else does at this time...and yet she is casting them aside to feed her ambitions. If her family can't depend on her, who in the heck thinks that this country will be able to? Sarah Palin needs to work things out with her own life before she tries to make a major difference in others.

Posted by: gbz | September 1, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Bottom Line,

Palin will withdraw for the good of John McCain. She does not want her private issue to become a distraction for the election of John McCain to become presiden.

Posted by: Donald Hyatt | September 1, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to congratulate the Palin family on this pregnancy.....a baby is always a reason for congratulations under any circumstance. Period.

I find Palins pro-life stance commendable. In this day in age a women's right to give birth needs to be protected more than choice. Abortion is too easy, it will always be around. But you can probably see from some of these ugly comments that there are those who would require certain mothers to abort.

Posted by: AmyLou513 | September 1, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

WooooHooooo more conservative values. Abstinence indeed!

Posted by: art big | September 1, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

What Has Obama Done?
He tacked his name on to 8 bills. He has done NOTHING. When you debate the Palin's values, that is sad. You want the kid to kill her kid? So sad.

Posted by: Jeff | September 1, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

I overheard my eight year old daughter commenting to a friend that the only thing not better about being a boy is that boys die sooner than girls. Even she gets at some level that our society favors males. No matter which way you slice it, Palin takes the blame for being a bad mother (with no mention of the failure of the father), and the girl takes the blame for giving in to hormonal urges, while the boy presumably will have little to no repercussions. Boys are the real pro-choice endorsers - I choose to be around, I choose to put someone's future at risk, I choose to support my child or choose to dodge the responsibility.

Either the behavior is unacceptable for both parties, female and male, or procreation is so sought after that unwanted children have a support network that doesn't currently exist. It's nice the Palin will provide for the grandchild. A lot of children are not provided for that way. It's just a shame.

At 40 and a mother of two, I decided against surgical sterilization and instead take birth control pills. My doctor makes it difficult to get my pills - take this test, go through that exam before I will be graced with a prescription. Anyone who has a problem with contraception, I invite you to step up with the $500k it would cost minimum for care for a special needs child. If you criticize someone for taking birth control and do not offer assistance for worst case scenarios, then the problem is yours. Birth control pills are NOT unethical, they demonstrate the maturity of a responsible person and provide a woman some control over her life.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Michael,

You don't know who I am. And calling strangers names on a political bulletin board - as opposed to making a cogent argument against their IDEAS - isn't exactly something Plato would do, oh wise one....

The sanctity of life doesn't end after birth. Supporting needless wars is also killing.

Posted by: Deep Blue | September 1, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

First, one should note the graciousness with which Barrack Obama handled this news, a graciousness that is certainly lacking in Republican circles.

Second, I think it is time for Republicans to join Democrats in formulating an intelligent and informed sex education program and put an end to the ineffective abstenence only programs that have been forced on the schools.

Third, it would be interesting to read from an abstinence supporter as to why abstinence is such a superior moral position. It is certainly not a position based on science.

Posted by: MarkinNY | September 1, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

As a mother with feminist leanings, I put my career on hold while I raised my two kids. It was a huge sacrifice on many levels but now that my kids are grown I can honestly say that giving them, their schooling, their activities with friends and their enrichment my undivided attention resulted in highly motivated, successful, compassionate young adults who both received merit scholarships to private colleges. Palin will have six dependent children (five plus the daughter's baby) and one with developmental disabilities. Either one or more of the brood gets denied full maternal attention, or if McCain wins, the country will be denied her full attention as a VP. Not to mention that she is wholly unqualified for the federal issues she would be confronted with. I believe that women can have it all, but not at the same time. Clearly at this stage of her life with young children and teens she needs to pay more attention at home. How's that for family values!

Posted by: sarahg | September 1, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

The boy is rep[ortedly 26 years old!
They had been dating for three years--
Palin Sr allowed her 14 year old daughter to date a 23 year old man!!!!
The chrisitina right are destroyuing the Republican party, and turning the Whitehouse into a double wide with the Jerry Springer mess-- All we need now are some DNA tests, hey that would boostt he ratings at the Republican convension

Posted by: Troof | September 1, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

"Why would he choose a running mate that he obviously knew was going to be eaten alive? "

McCain obviously knows he is going to lose, but he wants to be able to blame it on someone else. He's a sad old man.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

And let's not forget that Lance Armstrong was the product of a teenage mother before passing judgment.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7358118/

Posted by: Elle | September 1, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Wow.

This is great.

The marxist/socialists (aka democrats) are so flustered over the outstanding Palin pick that they're publicly stumbling over their own positions.

Are you seriously suggesting that this woman can't balance family and work? Is that your democratic position? Really?

Do you really think that she and her family didn't have a deep heart to heart before she entered the race? THEY WANT TO DO THIS. SHUT UP!

Why do you think that individual families are incapable of making their own decisions?

Oh. I know. It's because you're so insecure in your own abilities that you want to subjugate your decision making to the Government....

Go to Russia you losers!

Wow.

Posted by: TrueAmerican | September 1, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

It's too bad that there's been such a breakdown of compassion in our country.

This nation has morphed into a very mean-spirited, angry mob in the past eight years.

THAT UNITER SURE WAS A DIVIDER.

Peace, peeps!

Posted by: Becca | September 1, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Mr. King,

We are a racially blended family. Through the adotion process we are the pround parents of a very diverse group. As a father of white, black, and brown children I will assure you this is an issue of the nature of man.

It does not matter whether you are white, black, brown, republican, democrat, evangelical, catholic, or athiest. Everyone has the same issue. The stats are not overwhelmingly different however you slice and dice them.

Abstinence only may be flawed, but it is the "highest" message. A way for all of our youth to avoid the complications presented to Bristol Palin and many other young men and women every day.

It is no different than the "no smoking" or "eat right" and "exercise" message. You do not expect everyone to do what is best for them, but at least they know if they smoke or put on 100 extra pounds they will not be surprised at the undesirable results.

As Sarah Palin indicated, it is time to grow up a bit faster than they had planned and they will now have adult responsibilites.

Actions do have consequences.

Posted by: ART | September 1, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Honesty is the best Policy. Governor Palin told the truth to put to rest the ignorance of the Democrat Party attempting to discredit her thinking her fifth child was born by her oldest daughter.

This happens all the time in America. And we cannot be listening to the talking heads of the Democrat Party trying to hang (poor choice of words) the presumptive nominee as V.P. for the McCain ticket, bu stating that her daughter had the Down Syndrome Child in April.

Good Luck Barack. The back lash will be strong against you and Mr. Joe Biden.

Posted by: bvb720 | September 1, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Rob Greene:
Re: "4) You have 5 children to look after,three children in crisis (a-teenage pregnancy, b-serving time in iraq, c-a child with downs syndrome) you won't be interupted ONCE by any of them during an important meeting?"

As much as I detest the thought of McCain/Palin as President and VP I have to say: the woman has a partner who is reported to be the main family care giver. Would we be as focused on this family's parenting needs if the candidate was a man? As a feminist I assume that Todd Palin is as able to give care, advice and comfort to his children as Sarah Palin would be, it would not be unique if he were more able. Let's not let preconceived notions that only women can parent override geniune concerns about Sarah Palin's ablilies as a political leader.

That said I am no more likely to vote for McCain with a female running mate than with a male running mate (and that chance makes the odds on flying pigs look great!)

Posted by: lofti | September 1, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Look I know it sounds crazy but if you read the story given here you have to wonder:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332

Did Sarah Palin fake her fifth pregnancy to protect her then 16 year old daughter? The photos are amazing and if true Palin needs to step out of the picture ASAP.

Posted by: jefflz | September 1, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Palin has done so much more than Obama.

Obama has been trumping up votes, not bening a Senator.

He is un-qualified.

Posted by: Sine Qua Non | September 1, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a fundamentalist Christian who doesn't hestitate to preach her brand of morality to the rest of us. She wants to ban sex education and prevention from being taught in our schools and won't hesitate to use her office to that end. So, it seems to me, that it is not off limits to point to her own daughter as an example of why Palin's "abstinence" views-- which she'd like to force on the rest of us-- are wrong.

Posted by: Pam | September 1, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

The Religious Right will always find ways to twist their logic to suit themselves, and condemn others.

Posted by: Edo River | September 1, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

McCain should have selected Joe Lieberman. At least he could not become pregnant.

Posted by: Fritz Wallaby | September 1, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

"Yes let her speak and explain and congratulations on being grandparents and I hope your fridge is full of Caribou hot dogs and you can continue to be the pride of a small town in Alaska and settle feuds the way back water people do but please get out of the way before its too late."

This demonstrates, more than anything else, how ignorant, prejudiced and demeaning the general urban American public is regarding Alaskan rural life and those who were born to it. Apparently, liberal bigotry has sunk to new debts. For shame, I would have hoped that would not have been the case.

Posted by: Alaskan | September 1, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Look we all feel for her, but for god sakes if they would have kept a closer watch on thier kid this probably would not be happening. I also wonder if the kid is getting enormous pressure to have the baby because he mom is in the spotlight.

People in Alaska love Sarah Palin and that is where she should stay.

Posted by: Steve | September 1, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

>>just back off let the family handle this!!!!!

Yes, I'm sure you would say that if Obama announced that his unmarried 17-year-old daughter was 5 months pregnant...which was the entire point of this article, by the way. We'd be hearing the words "welfare queen" and "baby-mama" from every outpost of the GOP and the media in an non-stop frenzy for weeks.

Posted by: Jim | September 1, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of sexist twaddle is being spewed on this board. Palin needs to stay home and be a mother?? This is exactly the kind of sexist nonsense that knocked Hillary out of the race before she had a chance to begin. No one is saying that Obama shouldn't be president because he has two children and he needs to stay home and be a father. A Downs child isn't the end of the world, nor is a teenage pregnancy. If obama becomes president and his daughter gets pregnant while he's the world leader, is anyone going to say he should resign to take care of his family, or will an important call be interupted by his family crisis?? Sexism is just disgusting and still rampant in this country and more tolerated by the masses than is racism.

Posted by: Allison Ryder | September 1, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

one last thought how many of you think BILL CLINTON should be rode out on a rail for committing ADULTERY being married and president. he had oral sex the said it wasn't sex. he is grown man . Sarah Palin daughter is 17 big difference. those with out SIN cast the first stone. how many of had sex before marriage? ?????? the only difference between the 17 year old and some of YOU. she got caught you didn't!!!

Posted by: jerry in southeast mo | September 1, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

You fake christians sure are mean.

Posted by: values voter | September 1, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

//I’m going to get a little personal here. I share a lot in common with Ms Palin. I’m a father of five, one with special needs, and I also had a daughter who became pregnant at the age of 16. //

Who is this shameless liar?

Posted by: HarKenToh | September 1, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I am not a Republican supporter this year, however, I don't feel Sarah Palin need explain anything.

Her unmarried Daughter, for whatever reason is pregnant. I believe in the Biblical adage, "let him who is without sin cast the first stone." I am shamed to admit, I am not perfect therefor I am not the one to cast any stones.

Whats done is done,or as my Grandmother used to say; "leave it be and move on."

The Baby has the right to a loving mother and loving grandparents. It seems to me Sarah has that part down pat.

I think the Baby will be fine, who knows he or she may be president someday.

I would advise those who are so upset by this one incident to look are the mess we have all have made of this country, both Republican and Democrat. Lets quit blaming each other, role up our sleeves and try to fix it.

Tommas

Posted by: Tommas Lyons | September 1, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I am a conservative, however I am starting to see the logic in abortion. Just think if we mandated it for any unwanted child. Pretty soon there would be no liberals around. They would have all been aborted..That I think is the strongest argument ive ever heard of to support abortion. Hell I could even see gay mariages .. no need for abortion , just a bunch of gays and lesbians, who couldnt propogate, soon their would be no more liberals as well... think about it.....

Posted by: bubba | September 1, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

"The facts remain that the overwhelming majority of women seeking abortions are not doing so because they have been raped or because their pregnancy could jeopardize their lives. Most women seeking abortion do so because they did not bother to take precautions against becoming pregnant and do not care to deal with the responsibilities of having a child. In this day and age there is no reason to be pregnant unless you want to."

I wish that were true Amy, however the people - Ms. Putin among them - who consider themselves to be 'pro-life' are the same people who lobby against birth control research, try to prevent insurance companies from covering birth control, believe it's ok for a pharmacist to not fill a birth control prescription and even for him to not return it to the woman so she can go elsewhere, and work hard to prevent any kind of real sex education so that our young people even know what their options are.

If you want young men and women to take responsibility, don't deny them responsible options or prevent them from knowing about the options they have.

Posted by: Diane | September 1, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

The topic of the pregnancy becomes important when we realize that the McCain camp KNEW about it when they announced Palin as VP but waited to offer up the "rest of the story" until a hurricane was hammering the south. This is ugly politics: waiting for a big news event and using it to shield the party from the blowback of a painful truth. The poor folks in the south become, once again, the scapegoat in this ploy.

Posted by: MsLib | September 1, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

For all of you left wing, sexist, misogynist nuts out there, and on here, what's it like being an uninhibited sexist and misogynist?! Just a PTA mom huh? Should stay home with her kids, huh? I guess raising 5 kids, while running (or we can use the term managing, or even LEADING) one of the greatest energy-producing entities in the world, while having taken down and dismantled (and continuing to do so) a powerful, entrenced, corrupt good ole boy network from her own party...all that just equals being a PTA mom huh? Left wing fanatics, this is the 21st Century, you've got to just let go of all those sexist hang ups. It's not easy, I know that---I am married to a beautiful, successful, professional woman who also does alot more around the house than I do. I strive every day to be a better husband and dad, but it's not easy---as men, we are selfish, self-centered, and self-absorbed---it's in our genes, and we want to keep being sexist and "in control" of the fairer sex. But fanatics, those days are over. As I get older, and wiser, I admire my wife's strength and her unique LEADERSHIP qualities and abilities. You all can get there too, you really can, but you've got to want it and you've got to work at it. So let's cut the sexist code-word crap and in-your-face sexist crap and acknowledge strength, vision, and LEADERSHIP in a woman when we see it and when it's right in front of us----like it was on every TV station, cable outlet, news website, etc on Friday. By the way, did Obama give a speech Thursday night, because I haven't seen it discussed anywhere the last three days.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

What in Gods name Gov Palin can convince that this 17 year child could be a mother? and the sperm donor(so called father) can be supportive to her?

Posted by: Jeff | September 1, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

"I am amazed at you Dems and your ignorance. Last time I checked, abstinence DOES work. When two people choose to NOT have sex, that results in NO pregnanciy--100% of the time. Get a grip! You Dems are only for women if their liberal idiots like Pelosi, Boxer, et al. Besides, our VP is hotter than any of the ones you've ever fielded!

Posted by: sms_8oo"
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Abstinence education does NOT work because those people who are taught it never practice it. They engage in more oral sex and more anal sex than their counterparts who are taught about contraception. This has been studied and reported in professional medical journals. And when they do engage in sex, more end up pregnant for obvious reasons.

Palin might make a good "christian" missionary, but she is a horrid VP choice and a slap in the face to all Americans who need a true leader in these trying times. She should step down for the sake of America and tend to her own family's needs.

Posted by: Berri | September 1, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Teen pregnancy is a complex problem. As with most problems, there is no universally acceptable solutions. The Palin family has determined a course of action they find to be the best one for them.

The bigger lesson though is that, in a free society, people need to be free to find, and to implement, the answers that work best for them. The Palins' approach to sex education, premarital sex, contraception, abortion, teen-age marriage, and "unconditional support" for their daughter, is all well and good for them. However, in a free society, people need to be free to make their own choices.

I would choose to ensure that my teen age child had received sex education, access to contraception, access to abortion, and more. Those would be my choices. I respect that others might make different choices. Political conservatives talk about individual freedoms -- then they seek to limit the specific freedoms they find to be objectionable.

It is all well and good that Sarah Palin honors her own beliefs with her actions. I admire her for NOT being a hypocrite. I admire her for her courage. However, I do not want anyone in this country to be required to make choices they do not want to make. We must maintain freedom of reproductive choice. Roe v Wade must NOT be overturned. Government should stay out of our bedrooms and out of our personal lives. That's not a "liberal" position. It's a sensible, realistic and workable position that can be embraced by intelligent people on the left and on the right.

Posted by: Ed Sommers | September 1, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is anti-birth control and pro life even if it is result of a rape. She is for 'abstinence only' sex education in schools. Well, it seems that 'abstinence only' didn't work for her daughter. Sarah Palin should be put under microscope from now on till the election. There are too many skeletons in her closet.

Posted by: Sonja, New York City | September 1, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Did we not learn anything from the discussions of sexism during Hillary's campaign? Here is the same sexist crap being hurled at Palin. Wow--listen to the mud being slung--she was so ambitious she harmed her own baby by traveling when she was 8 months pregnant. What medical science degree lets you impart that wisdom? Does the fact that Obama's mother traveled within days of his birth explain anything about Obama? Maybe that's why he became a drug user! Palin was so callously ambitious that she exposed her 17 year old daughter to this scrutiny?? Is it not possible that they talked about it as a family and Sarah agreed to go forward only with Brisol's blessing? I guess not in your world. And the funny thing is this attack is only valid because YOU are attacking. Obama said leave her alone--maybe you should listen. And I'm quite sure that if any of Palin's kids need anything while Mommy is in a meeting, DAD will be more than happy to help.

Posted by: LMC | September 1, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

It is certainly sad to see from the comments here how judgmental our society has become. Most of us believe that moral standards are necessary for a properly functioning society, but - speaking to both sides - when did we get so hateful about pointing out other's short-comings? The villification of other groups with such broad brushstrokes isn't doing anything to advance discussion of the real issues.

Posted by: Disappointing | September 1, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Good luck to Bristol and the Palin family!

What exciting times these are!

Your love will carry you far. Never forget that! Babies are a miracle and a precious gift from heaven. :)

Posted by: Diaa | September 1, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

How did Palin find out that her baby would be developmentally impaired? Why would anyone test for those potential outcomes if under no circumstances would they abort? It seems to me that she was given a CHOICE and did what she felt was right. I wonder if her daughter is doing what she wants to do or what her mother wants her to do?

Posted by: Kurt | September 1, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

So her husband had a DWI arrest. The defense is that it was 24 years ago. That is fine; we all have faults and weaknesses. Wouldn't it be nice if Sarah wasn't such a self-righteous prig who would accept that people aren't perfect and make mistakes. She seems to relish firing people who probably need the check they are receiving for such travesties as not jumping when she commands.

Posted by: ChuckB | September 1, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama has been a complete gentleman throughout this--a class act.

The only relevance to policy I see here is that Sarah Palin is against giving high school students information about how to prevent pregnancies besides abstinence. As so many have commented below, yes, abstinence does work, in theory. But in practice? Even Palin's own daughter couldn't abstain. We owe it to our teenagers to provide them with information about birth control!

Posted by: Beth in VA | September 1, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Levi is Mama's gardener cultivating her daughter's bush. O poor us. What to do?

Posted by: Pharisee | September 1, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Selfish, selfish Sarah Palin. I don't even know another mother who would put her own aspirations ahead of the humiliation of her teenage daughter. Not to mention a mother of a newborn with special needs.

Take the high road, Sarah, and give your family the love, respect and undivided attention they deserve. We don't need you like they do.

Posted by: olivesky | September 1, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

The left wing bloggers on Palin's daughter's pregnancy show what real low-life individuals they are. Most of them believe in very little other than the politics of personal destruction and they worship at the alter of the greatest idiot in the world, Michael Moore. They are not totally worthless, though, they can always be used as bad examples of humanity.

Posted by: Tom | September 1, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

We're neither crazy nor misogynistic--you've completely missed the point. Most families have baggage. So?
What we're all reacting to is the (to borrow your word) extreme hypocrisy on display by Palin...she's accepted the nomination as Vice President of the United States, after apparently knowingly condoning a relationship between her then-14-year-old CHILD and a 23-year-old MAN that has culminated in an underage teen pregnancy. (I truly hope this proves to be false information, but early reports aren't encouraging.) This also allegedly occurred during Palin's stint as Governor of Alaska, where she's tirelessly pushed...abstinence.
This isn't about Palin's poor daughter. It's about Palin's utter hypocrisy, and calls into sharp relief her judgment, which--as more revelations continue coming to light--looks thinner and thinner.
Call me a kook, call me crazy--this is anyone but the person I want a heartbeat away from the Presidency. I imagine our forefathers are spinning in their graves--what would Washington, Lincoln or Roosevelt have to say about Palin at the helm? And...as a mother...it sounds like Palin's children need her far, far more than the United States does.
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You left wing nuts and kooks are crazy, and more importantly, and unfortunately, sexist and misogynist to the extreme. So a very successful, accomplished, powerful woman shouldn't run for VP because she has a family?? You are all nuts. But I guess it makes sense---you would rather it be that only single and/or childless and self-loathing radical leftist women hold the reins of power in this country.

Posted by: Gator | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM

Posted by: Pea Soup | September 1, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I can relate to the Palin family's situation, but this is politics and I think John McCain showed a complete lack of judgement in his choice of VP. If it is all about famiy values...what about a mother of a 4 month old special needs child, and a pregnant 17 year old daughter who simply is so ambitious she cannot take time for her family? McCain is definitely out of touch and so is Palin. I feel very, very sad for Palin's daughter and I am especially upset with her mother!

Posted by: shorty | September 1, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

She has more experience that Mr. Obama. She connects to ordinary people who have to go to work everyday. Obama picked his vp so that he can get on the job training. Being president is not the streets of Chicago....

Posted by: Elias | September 1, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

All said, the girl's husband (to be?), will leave the relationship within a handful of years- as will most others of his age.
He already feels the beginning of the end. Ask most men his age how they would feel, and what they would do. Go ahead, I dare you.
And I am sick of all of this racism. Can't anyone remember we all come from 'Lucy'?

Posted by: MT | September 1, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that if Palin had her family's best interests at heart, she would have turned down the VP nomination, stayed in Alaska, and helped her daughter with this tragic pregnancy which will be very hard for all involved. How does being in the spotlight 24/7 help her child?

Posted by: Independent in KY | September 1, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Would we even be having this discussion if Sarah Palin was a male instead of female? Life happens and candidates running for VP are not immune to it.

Posted by: mayella | September 1, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

wow i'm so glad that liberals favoring women's rights are screaming at Palin for not "staying home" with her kids. Shouldn't her husband be just as capable of taking care of her children? You're going to blame the Palin for her daughter's pregnancy because she didn't stay home enough? What about the father here? How come Edwards can run for president with a dying wife but Palin can't because one of her children needs extra care and another is about to really discover the meaning of "growing up"?Like Obama said, the fathers need to take responsibility too. Equality between the sexes mean one parent steps up on the homefront when the other needs to be out. In this case, the parenting responsibility will fall on Palin's husband.

Posted by: what!!! | September 1, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how America would have responded if Barack and Michelle had a 17 year old daughter who was pregnant.

Not too well, I imagine.

Part two of this problem is that Sarah Palin support abstinence only education - she emphatically stated that she would with hold funding for explicit sex education in the schools.

Bristol Palin, like many other adolescents, could have benefitted greatly from education about safe sexual practices. But the Palin family, like many other American families, live with the naive illusion of childhood innocence.

Posted by: Gary E | September 1, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Believe me, if you go to some of the comments posted online from articles about Ms. Palin's pregnancy, you will see that the problem you've noted has little to do with race sir, although I cannot and will not deny that there are those who will use race as their "reason" behind the statistics of teen pregnancy when responding.

Shame on Americans. This country is ailing not because of partisan politics, but because of an endemic intolerance of everything. Our political arena merely reflects on our society's reprehensible behavior. If the citizens of this country cannot find something "legitimate" to hate, they will create it from thin air. (Legitimate issues might be poverty, poor education, the transmission of diseases like HIV, war, terrorism, violations of human rights throughout the world - including a certain detention facility in Gitmo, etc., etc.)

When Mr. Obama talked about rural bitterness, he missed the mark. The entire society of this country is infected with the festering disease of bitterness and such a self-important sense of entitlement that they (we) cannot even recognize how vulture-like we have become. People talk about rising above past behaviors while at the same time responding with every bit as much hatred and intolerance for something different that perhaps they don't understand or worse, don't want to understand. We used to call that behavior paying "lip-service" to all the right PC notions. In businesses, it was easily seen in practice versus vision statement or "core values" which always looked good from the outside. The interior was the same old rotten apple full of worms.

Americans can cry change to the high heavens all they want, but as long as we have no compassion, no empathy, no understanding or desire to walk a mile in the shoes of someone we truly do not understand, nothing will improve. Oh, it will change... it's called "deterioration."

Charity begins at home. Ms. Palin is lucky to have a family that loves and supports her in spite of having the typical judgment of a teenager. She's certainly not going to get anything positive from the bottom-feeders we call average Americans.

Posted by: skeptic | September 1, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, Sara Palin's personal life can and will interfere with her job performance. Its a fact of the matter that she will be raising more than one child. Any job in the oval office involves more time than an average 40 hours a week. Do the math, people. The entire familie's performance will be affected, its not a feminist issue!

(And abstinence is not working here...obviously. Because, excepting immaculate conception, her daughter was having sex! Unless the republicans want to claim that...hmmmmm....I don't think Americans are that stupid yet. Give us a few years.)

Posted by: stan | September 1, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Everybody BACK OFF!

Bristol is a young woman being needing love and support, not a swiftboat job by some bloggers here who are the bottom feeders of humanity.

There should be no "us versus them" here. Everyone should be for this young woman. If you are not prepared to help - shut up and go away - back under the rock where you live. You are the ones humanity needs to get rid of if we are to survive.

Posted by: Gareth Harris | September 1, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Much has been made about Sarah Palin's status as a pro-choice mother who upholds traditional values.

What we are learning about Sarah Palin's own choices as a mother should give us all pause. Within the past several months, she has given birth to a special needs child and has heard the news that her teenage daughter is herself to become a mother soon.

But with her family in crisis, Sarah's answer is to accept a nomination for the second most powerful position in the country. Who will be caring for her new baby, and who will have the time to help her daughter navigate the treacherous waters of teen motherhood?

I agree with Barack Obama and the Repulblicans: These are private matters. But whatever the outcome, it would be unseemly to continue to hold her up as a paragon of motherhood and the traditional family woman. Without that, what are we left with?

Posted by: Laurie | September 1, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Out here in eastern WA. Abstinence only has led to the highest s.t.d. levels around.

Posted by: TM | September 1, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

The Sarah Palin story is beginning to look more and more like the stories of so many poor families who live in trailer parks across the nation. Her sister tells some kind of marital horror-story (it takes two to tango). Palin uses her power as governor to try to get her ex-brother-in-law fired because of her sisters sorry marital problems. Now, it turns out that Palin has no control over her daughter who does not even follow one of her mother's principle directives, sexual abstinence. I bet a lot or Republicans actually think her daughter had sex only once and had only the one partner. Whatever! Do we really think that this person is qualified to be heartbeat away (a weak and elderly heartbeat at that) from being the leader of the free-world. Please!!!

Posted by: Jimmy | September 1, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

America one more example of the leader of the party trying to tell us all what to do not doing it themselves. Do as we preach not as we do Republicans. We had been deluded into believing there was such a thing as a moral majority. When the mirror gets held up to the party of Larry Craig, Newt Gingrich etc. John Mc Cain is now kissing the ring of the evangelicals and Mrs Palin is supposed to strengthen his support with the holy rollers. Well America there is no moral majority and the Republicans do not own morals period. Might want to dig a big farther and see if the baby that was delivered in April also belonged to this daughter. Why should we believe what Pain tells us that she is five months pregnant? As to her executive experience let us not forget that George W.was a Governor of a state with an actual population and look what that got us. Barack Obama has been able to run an incredible campaign team and has received over 19 million votes to date and raised over 300 million that is executive experience. I sincerely hoe that the media will actually vet this candidate who will be one heartbeat away from leader of the free world. So much for her being mom of the century. We have a 17 year old daughter and she is still a virgin which in todays world is some real good parenting. Let us not forget that Mc Cain and Bush were smiling for the camera and eating cake in Phoenix after Katrina had hit. Great if they learned a lesson but the heck of a job Brownie boys wont be forgotten by those that have and are still suffering in NOL. OBAMA BIDEN Yes We Can. No Way No How No McCain.
Hillarious that they wont have George W. even attend his parties party. How ashamed are these folks of their leader? Very.

Posted by: Andy Dufrane | September 1, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Elias- what experience does she have? 2 years as governor of a state with less people than Chicago has? And if you're going with the "executive level" argument, Bush had only executive level experience as governor of Texas and how has that worked out for all of us? Maybe being a governor is not all the experience one needs. Maybe one needs to have some intelligence and courage- and senators can have that.

Posted by: Independent in KY | September 1, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

The real "politics of personal destruction" started when Palin chose to fail to protect her pregnant child from what she had to know was going to be extreme scrutiny by the entire world. Apparently Palin's ambitions in shooting for the VP has taken precedence over all her children, including her latest four-month-old baby. Bad example of humanity, indeed. Those poor kids.
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The left wing bloggers on Palin's daughter's pregnancy show what real low-life individuals they are. Most of them believe in very little other than the politics of personal destruction and they worship at the alter of the greatest idiot in the world, Michael Moore. They are not totally worthless, though, they can always be used as bad examples of humanity.

Posted by: Tom | September 1, 2008 6:21 PM

Posted by: Pea Soup | September 1, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

It was right to go public with this, and it was commendable what Obama said about keeping it off-limits for attack.

I want to ask the people who are now criticizing Gov Palin for supposedly neglectful parenting (of her daughter and her youngest son), when Edwards was campaigning as his wife is fighting Stage 4 cancer, were you also complaining that what little time they have left together as a family is more important than winning an election?

Posted by: Anon | September 1, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

The Republican argument is that Governor Palin has more
executive experience than Senator Obama. Now think about
this ... Senator McCain has NO executive experience. Neither,
does Senator Biden. So, according to the Republican
argument Palin is the most qualified candidate of all four:
Obama, McCain, Biden and Palin, which is patently absurd.
Hence, their argument is vacuous and ought to be pointed
out to the media as such.

Posted by: Roger Amber | September 1, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

How old is the father? Because in Ga. and a few other states he could GO TO JAIL...well except for he's probably white. Nevermind

Posted by: wiseman | September 1, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

So Pea Soup, you'd rather have as your President a "community organizer" and as your VP someone who has never held a real job?? No thank you, I will take the genuine war hero who has was a Naval Commander and who is not afraid to buck his own party on major issues, and the woman who is the embodiment of what makes America great, in both her professional life and her personal life. Not even a close call.

Posted by: Gator | September 1, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Mr. King for pointing out the obvious - you have made me think about my prejudiced "old" thought process.

Posted by: JRL | September 1, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Fact: 57.7% of black children live in one parent homes.

The problem exists, Mr. King, and trying to defuse this topic by saying that white people have the same problems does nothing to help the black community.

As Obama said to a jeering black audience, fathers need to be at home in black families.

It is a problem. It needs to be addressed and it isn't a racial thing. It is a fact. The amount of kids being raised, or for that matter, ignored in typical black families is sadly all too true. How many kids run the streets because their fathers have run off?

Yes black America, it's time to quit blaming whitey for your problems. It's time to quit having unintelligent kids being spawned by unintelligent parents.

You'll never break out of this vicious cycle as long as every problem in the black community is seen in terms of racial terms.It isn't because you are black that you are not getting the jobs and nice homes. You aren't educated and cannot even speak proper English.

Let's all pull together and break the ignorance of your community and face your problems head on.

After almost five decades since the speech of Martin Lurther King Jr., the cries of your failure to succeed in this country because of so-called racism falls on deaf ears.

Ignorance, dumb kids, dumb parents, and uneducated people are not the domain of any particular race, but it just so happens that the black community has the highest percentage of these problems.

If you can't read, write, or speak properly, just whose fault is it that you can't get a $50K a year job? Was there always a white man following you around to cause your failure?

Come on, let's get real. Self esteem in the black community is suspect when grown men refer to each other as "dog" or "n**ger" instead of friend. This inane subculture within the black community that looks down on educated or successful blacks as sell-outs is ridiculous.

You may take pride in being cool with your baggy pants,hip talk, and gangsta ways, but you'll never rise about it all to make a success of yourself as long as you insist that the image of being cool is more important then being educated or intelligent.

When are you going to get it?

Posted by: Captain America | September 1, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"Read Bamaman's comments and his own history with his mother... he is right on target this is private. a non issue ..."

Posted by: DannyMIA | September 1, 2008 5:40 PM

That is the way that us liberals believe but the NeoCons want to make our personal choices (homosexual marriage, birth control, sex-ed, abortion, etc...matters of THEIR control and PUBLIC policy.

This is why we look at her and scratch our heads and delight at the sweet irony of it all. They want to restrict OUR choices and deny OUR access. Now they know how it feels to be up against a wall with NO choices.

Posted by: Keith | September 1, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Palin was the part-time mayor of town of 5,000 people 18 months ago. The fact that McCain picked someone so ridiculously unqualified for VP says more about McCain's incredibly poor judgment than it does about Palin. Palin seems like your run-of-the-mill right-wing evangelical PTA hockey mom. There is nothing wrong with that, but most people don't want your run-of-the-mill right-wing evangelical PTA hockey mom a heartbeat away from being the Commander-in-Chief of the United States.

McCain has handed Obama the election on a silver platter. Thanks!

Posted by: Jim | September 1, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

I just wanted to say that many Republican and/or Independent Conservatives are making assumptions that if Dems are Pro-Choice then they would automatically have abortions in any all circumstances--these assumptions are idiotic and lack thoughtful intelligence. I am a Democrat who is Pro-Choice and that means I support a woman's right to choose to have her babay or a woman's right to choose to terminate her pregnancy; women have two choices, not just one. Personally I would not ever have an abortion, but I am not going to tell someone else what to do with her body. As for Palin, it is hypocritical to preach family values and espouse to conservative ideals when she obviously does not have a reign of her own household. If she can't manage her own family then how can she manage the VP job and potentially the POTUS if something were to happen to McCain given his age (72) and health. This only helps Obama!!! Go Obama/Biden 08/12

Posted by: Ms. A | September 1, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm very upset with Gov. Palin as a mother that she would put her daughter through this. I think it would be a much less selfish act to decline, and avoid putting her daughter through a public judgement session.

Posted by: Stacey | September 1, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

So according to the Palins, their daughter got pregnant at a time when she was recuperating at home with a 5-month case of mono. So where were mom and dad? According to the Palins, they "home-schooled" their daughter during her convalescence. Did that include any "abstinence-only" lessons?

Posted by: Dan | September 1, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

what!!! the reason that the argument is falling on Palin is because McCain touted her as a hockey mom who could juggle a full-time job with being a mother. He fired the first shot- others are now questioning how well she did what McCain said she did...

Posted by: Independent in KY | September 1, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

I am absolutely amazed at the identical tone (if not content) being directed at Palin that was slung at Hilary, and by liberals, no less. She has beliefs and she has a life and therefore, by taking a stand and beng open and forthright she makes herself a target for those who, in no way, can match her character and integrity.

Posted by: Alaskan | September 1, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Whew. At least the air went out of the Trig story. Unfortunately the McCain campaign had to dump Bristol's pregnancy out in front of the nation because they failed to vet properly. They were unprepared because of McCain's hasty decision. Otherwise, they would have had a bead on the swirling Trig rumor with pregnant pictures of the Gov and would also have had her doctor on tap.

Posted by: aklocal | September 1, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

From the politico: "Responding to Internet rumors that Bristol Palin had given birth earlier this year, and that Sarah Palin had claimed the child was her son Trig, the McCain campaign released a statement saying that Bristol Palin is currently pregnant and plans to marry the father."

I think there is more to this story than is currently known, all she had to do was show pictures or sonograms of herself carrying the baby, why did Sarah Palin throw her daughter into the spotlight (and under the bus).

Posted by: Ben | September 1, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

In the conservative/rural parts of Washington state where Abstinence is most popular, the s.t.d. rates are highest. That's why sex education is coming this year to the Okanogan schools- FINALLY. Also, I have never seen so many young girls with babies and no men in my life 'till I moved out here.

Posted by: MT | September 1, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Elias...it must be cozy under your little rock!
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She has more experience that Mr. Obama.
Posted by: Elias | September 1, 2008 6:22 PM

Posted by: Robyn | September 1, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

this is far from a racial issue.
i'm caucasian and born in the midwest.
my mother had me when she was 17.
i don't ever recall her saying it was a tragic pregnancy.
thanks mom.

Posted by: akdude | September 1, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

The real issue concerning the daughter is that
when the daughter was age 13, the VP candidate
Palin let her date a man who was 23!!!
The daughter is now 17 and the man is 26.
As they say, WTF.

Posted by: Bambi | September 1, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

do we really want a family of red neck moose hunter's in the white house. i mean come on. the world is in a very delicate situation that requires finesse and experience, intelligence and the capacity to inspire and lead. gov palin in one week is enmeshed in scandals that indicate she can't run her own state any better than she can her family. old john has cancer, is seriously old. is there anyone out there that would feel comfortable with sarah meeting with leaders of other countries to decide things that will affect the fate of the entire planet. this is not some low level soap opera, the whole world is watching and needing good solid leadership to come from america. this is beyond belief.

Posted by: j morgon | September 1, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

The most powerful W’s & H that we need to understand before we blame our neighbors.

1. How?
2. What?
3. Who?
4. Why?
5. When?
6. Where?

It is our responsibility to due a diligent search to answer all questions before we blame our neighbors. God has given each of us a life and mind that we will understand our own life in time. No one knows what God has plan for us. All of us have different life. One’s life might start at 10, 15, 18, or even later years. We set laws in this world for our security, safety and understanding our community. Life is not easy. Only we can set laws that can be revising. After your research that will maybe take you 4 to 8 years, you will understand why it is important not to blame your neighbor. I can only say that I will understand my neighbor by asking these questions first.


Posted by: Your Neighbor 9/1/08 | September 1, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Pea Soup, the extreme scrutiny toward Bristol is coming from the sexist, misogynist freaks on your side of the political spectrum. Again, by your evaluation of potential political candidates, only single and/or childless women should bother to try to break down the barriers that have held them back for years. That's nuts. I have a 7 year old daughter who I am proud to have look upon Governor Palin as the embodiment of a strong, accomplished, successful, loving American.

Posted by: Gator | September 1, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

As a mother, I do not understand how a mother with 5 children one of them with special needs, is willing to take on the responsibility of being vice president. Granted a month ago, she did not know what being vice president meant so she might think she doesn't have to do anything. There is nothing wrong with being a working mom--but vice president--a position
that demands all your time? Also if I knew my daughter was five months pregnant I would not exploit her. If she truely loved her daughter she would not let her face the ridicule she is facing. Thus not only do I not feel that she is qualified to be a heartbeat away from the president--having
no foreign policy experience or law degree,
but I don't think she is a very caring mother. That being said how can she sympathize with the plight of all the Americans who are now in trouble and need
leadership that puts them first. She doesn't even put her own children first.
Now I know you right wingers will argue and think I am being mean but those of you who are mothers have to think about this. Are you in your children's life on a daily basis and do they come before your career?

Posted by: Nan | September 1, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

If what we've all read since she was nominated is any example of her 'character' and 'integrity,' you can have her back with bells on!
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by taking a stand and beng open and forthright she makes herself a target for those who, in no way, can match her character and integrity.

Posted by: Alaskan | September 1, 2008 6:29 PM

Posted by: Robyn | September 1, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Well, nobody knows much about Sarah Palin and her Conservative Christian views on pre-marital sex and lying to authorities about Troopergate. I can't wait for 60 minutes to interview her former brother in law, that will ice the cake on the true Sarah Palin. Confirms to me, that this woman, after only meeting John Mccain TWICE, was not fully vetted. Such a waste. If Pawlenty or Romney was on his ticket, I would vote for Mccain in a minute. But not now.

Posted by: latinovoter | September 1, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

love and support is always good...but in the case of palin amily it is troubelling..palin was forced to come forward and to tell her store ..after becoming VP candidate..but she did do so as a gov of alaska...

another problem is the claim of higher moral standard and family values of the republican and conservatives...

you can talk about pride of having more grand children but the fact to have a single unmarried pregnant daughter is shameful...

Palin failed to educated and to care about her family..too busy at work propably

the big question is if Palin cant be trusted with her own family..how can she betrusted as a VP or even as a President??

Posted by: Hendrik | September 1, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Amazing group of comments. BLAME? How do we blame someone for being 17 and having unprotected sex. I did it, got lucky and there probably are a bunch of the writers on here that escaped the "blame" and shame, too.
My 18 year old is voting for Obama and I am voting for McCain. Not because someone's child did something. In that case, can we not vote for Biden because of his past and his son lobbying for big business.
I don't think so, people need to vote for what they believe in and quit trying to influence the world with their less than brilliant attempts to destroy people. You won't get votes or fool anyone.

Posted by: Bill | September 1, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Back to the point for a moment:

>> "... the problem of teen pregnancy and the tragic impact it has had on so many aspects of life in the nation's capital"

Look a little deeper - this is only a "problem" with a "tragic impact" because of the kind of society we as a species have built, and nothing to do with human biology.
The former we can do something about, the later less so.
Wild and crazy idea - Perhaps we should work more on the former?
I propose the solution is to move the goalposts, not crucify young mothers on the existing missplaced ones.

Posted by: Ann Observer | September 1, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

What I told my (now 21) daughter about this kind of situation is that, of course, if you turned up unmarried and pregnant I would love you and love the baby as well. But, it's still trashy and you'll never get me to say it isn't so.

I guess the Republicans have noted the popularity of all the trashy reality shows on TV these days and decided to bring the "Real World" to the White House.

Posted by: Suzie | September 1, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I could care less that her daughter is pregnant. I really hope the father takes responsibility and the child is raised in a loving family.

I wasn't a big Hillary fan, until about a month and a half before she suspended her campaign. I had gotten to the point where I was ready to back her if she became the nominee.

Having said that, I think the GOP's VP pick is scary in more ways than I can count. I don't believe anything that woman believes in, and if McCain happens to pass away in office, we'd be left with "That's My President!". Thursdays at 7:30 after "Scrubs".

Starting to look into my options in Canada or possibly New Zealand if I'm surprised in November :(

Posted by: Derf | September 1, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I've been reading some of the reader comments......is is just me or some idiots are actually sort of blaming Obama for Palin's daughter's woe?

Posted by: saiyeleso | September 1, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

ProParents,
I too am saddened at how quickly we label each other here on the Internet just to make it easier to attack and berate a person that we don't even know. I wanted to respond, but then I read your submission and decided that you said it better than I would have.
God is graceful to give life when and where He chooses, even to a 17 year old. Each breath is a gift from God to use to build others up or to tear others down. It is sad to see how some choose to use their blessings and how they fail to see them as gifts from God. Without that understanding, it is hard for people to confess their own mistakes and shortcomings, and even harder for them to forgive themselves, let alone to try to understand or forgive other people.
Thanks, Steve

Posted by: Steve | September 1, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

elias-

"She has more experience that Mr. Obama."

In doing what??? The only time she's seen Washington DC was to organize lobbyists for earmark funds for Alaska. Last month, she said she didn't even know what VPs do!

And for the moralists mentioning John Edwards (who is a worm), we do remember, don't we, that McCain was adulterous in his first marriage....

Posted by: Independent in KY | September 1, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

ARGH! WHERE IS THE SHARE BUTTON!??!??! I WANT TO PUT THIS ON FACEBOOK!!!!

Posted by: Cliff | September 1, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Gator, you must be kidding me. Are you condoning Palin apparently turning a blind eye to the repeated statutory rape of her daughter?!
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I have a 7 year old daughter who I am proud to have look upon Governor Palin as the embodiment of a strong, accomplished, successful, loving American.

Posted by: Gator | September 1, 2008 6:31 PM

Posted by: Pea Soup | September 1, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

A new drama every day.. this election has become a high powered sitcom. Sadly running for vice president,you do become public interest,impacting and influencing lives of all american families. Sarah Palin's proud acceptance of teen pragnancy at home by admission may not serve the best example among american parents facing growing teen pragnancies while advocating Christian values. An excellent candidate for VP looking forward to better lives of american people but but not a trophy holder as Mom with lives of those at home.

Posted by: Raji Rab | September 1, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

swmissouri: i read your post here SWMissouri | September 1, 2008 5:47 PM

and juxtaposed this interview http://www.bobandmark.com/palin_mccain_interview

the surprise in her voice makes me think we're in for a new ride, and the impact is being underestimated on both sides. this thing can swing as big as the dice mccain has rolled.

supposed obama supporters who have not yet internalized obama's person and message are gloating well prematurely, not recognizing that schadenfraude pays harsh final dividend. mccain supporters sticking with the choice still seem awkward in building reasonable case for support as they must build away from traditional qualifications platforms.

Posted by: hustleandfloe | September 1, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Wow...look at all the angry comments. Is this so unusual? Is this not middle America? These things happen. Sen. Obama's mother was 18 when she had him and un-married...raised by his grandparents. Has this some how caused him to be any less of a person?...Any less of an American? I think not. Is teen-age pregnancy a problem? Only in the context that for some reason it is surprising these days (100 yrs. ago Mrs. Palin's daughter should be on her second child). Petty anger towards candidates on petty subjects shows a serious lack of understanding of this nations issues. Does this pregnancy address the energy issues of the US? ....does it address the fact that 13 million children go hungry in the US every day?....does it address the threat of a resurgent Russia with USSR like tendencies?....does it address the immediate need of thousands of Americans in the gulf coast region?......or is this story really on par with Brittany Spears not wearing underwear or Janet Jackson showing some boob at a football game?
As Eleanor Roosevelt said:
Great minds discuss ideas;
Average minds discuss events;
Small minds discuss people.

Come on America let's get back to where we used to be...the Nation of ideas.

Posted by: Tom H. | September 1, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that if Palin had her family's best interests at heart, she would have turned down the VP nomination, stayed in Alaska, and helped her daughter with this tragic pregnancy which will be very hard for all involved. How does being in the spotlight 24/7 help her child?

Posted by: Independent in KY | September 1, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

We all know Republicans are hypocrites.

What's worse - two adults having consensual oral sex or two teenagers having unprotected sex and getting pregnant?

Where's Dobson and his outrage?

Where's Ralph Reed and his indignation?

Posted by: Dominic Soto | September 1, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Q. Did Bristol Palin get thrown under the bus?

Posted by: aklocal | September 1, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Being the proud grandfather of 8 grandchildren, while initially upset that the first three were born out of wedlock, we loved them no less. We counseled our children to not potentially make a mistake of marrying the father for the wrong reason...and the father we counseled likewise. The act of sex does not necessarily equate to an act of love. As it turned out, they all married their respective children's fathers...and with one exception, still live happily and are great parents. As for the grandchildren,they are all a gift from God and must be cherished and loved. Period.

Posted by: TG Menaha | September 1, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

many of you blame the republicans and their preaching of abstinance for this? that's rediculous. lets think the other way, have abortion legalized, that'll just allow the young women the ability to have as much sex with as many partners as they choose and not have to worry about having kids.. wouldn't that be a wonderful society.

Posted by: hp | September 1, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

"We need a real Vice President, not a soon to be mother of two, with one being of special needs"

Erik, maybe you should stop posting. You have failed to grasp the most basic facts about the Palins. Why keep misstating stuff that you clearly don't understand.

Posted by: prettierthanthou | September 1, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I can understand the rank sexism and misogynism perpetrated by unlightened men on here, but to see women trash Palin is a travesty. Of course, I'm sure those are the women that contiaully harp about how tought life is in America and who wallow in misery, or those very cold and frightening ultra pro-abortion women. Scary. Grow up ladies. Just think if you were born in Saudi Arabia or any other Middle Eastern country. This is America, the land of freedom, liberty, and opportunity. Let go of your anger, it will set you free, I guarantee it.

Posted by: Gator | September 1, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Make no mistake about it: racism is alive in America. To immediately assume that an article about teen pregnancy is about blacks simply because the story was written by a black man is the HEIGHT OF RACISM. (I'm not black, by the way, but being of Italian background I'm well aware of racism.)

Posted by: David Kaye | September 1, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Omaba's mother was 18 to deliver Obama.
So in 17 she was pregnant.

Posted by: SergGarn | September 1, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I want to comment on the following statement: Sarah Palin's personal life really doesn't have that much to do with her ability to lead.... Governor Palin has more collective experience running a government and managing a budget than does Senator Obama who has never even so much as run a lemonade stand. More power to her. She is just what is needed to shake things up in Washington.

It's from an earlier e-mail.

There are several comments like this one making the point that Obama has no executive experience: never even so much as run a lemonade stand. Excuse me, Obama was elected President of the Law Review at Harvard. That position requires decision making capabilities. He has taught school; that position requires decision making capabilities. If you read his book describing his community work, you will see that plenty of decisions needed to be made. He worked inside at least a couple of law offices. And he now has over 1,800 staff members on his campaign. Actually, I may be off on that number. It may be higher than that.

Traditionally, you can tell how a person will govern as President by watching how he or she runs their campaign. Obama and his senior staff have made some very astute decisions to be able to defeat Hillary Clinton who ran one heck of a campaign. We'll never know about Sarah Palin because all we have to go on is some rather small elections in Alaska. We do know that George Bush accused McCain of having fathered an illegitimate black child (his adopted daughter from Bangaladesh) and a host of other falsehoods when it looked like McCain would defeat him 8 years ago. And look what we got from Bush and Cheney.

You would almost believe that Obama dropped out of the sky and suddenly won the Democratic nomination for the office of President. Pleasssse. Let's be a bit more reasonable than that. If anyone has dropped out of the sky, plop, on to the national scene, potentially a heart beat away from being President, it would have to be Sarah Palin.

I've been to Alaska several times working there. It really is different from the "lower 48" as they refer to the rest of the U.S.

The best comment I have read to date about Sarah Palin, is that she has been made into a sacrificial goat by the Republicans in an attention to draw attention away from John McCain. That argument makes a lot of sense to me, and it would behoove all of us to focus on McCain. Let the media discuss Palin. They will, no doubt.

Posted by: Authenticity | September 1, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

We are talking about the judgement of John McCain in making a selection of a person he met once and then proceeded to offer her the vice presidency of this country. His only concern was political gain and a way to take the spotlight off of his inadequacies as a presidential candidate. Instead, his choice finds the media and voters involved in soap opera of small town politics and values that belong at the level of a school board election and not an election for the leader of the free world. It's an embarrassment to read coverage of her unfolding state trooper scandal that again has no place in a race for national office. Maybe down the road, years from now, when Ms. Palin's experience has the breadth and depth of national and international issues that affect the lives of every American, should she be considered as a credible choice. For now, she serves to remind us of McCain's short-sighted limitations, desperation, and need for 'soulmate' in order to try and compete against Obama/Biden.

Posted by: janjones | September 1, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

First of all, since when did law keepers ever do anything good for humanity or society? The desire to have sex has been hard wired into the human being on purpose. It is the strongest most irresistible desire that a human being will ever experience. You want to regulate that with laws? Are you people retarded? Might as well make it illegal for trees to grow while your at it.
This issue is a condition of humanity. It has nothing to do with morality, race, religion, or philosophy. This is natures way of forcing reproduction on the human species. To tell your 16 year old child to ignore the strongest feelings they will ever have in their life because it's "responsible" only shows how irresponsible you are, or should I say ignorant.
If you approach this problem from a realistic standpoint, instead of your religious, moralistic, and philosophical mentality, you will understand that the best you can hope for is prevention and protection through understanding and acceptance. Alienation and strict rules will only make the problem become a crisis. Saying that people are some how less than you because when they where young they abandoned all reason to chase after a feeling of love, only shows how undeserving you are of the title "human".Social issues are the responsibility of the family not the government. You can't regulate hormones and chemicals in the brain with words on paper. Nature will still win in the end.

Posted by: Seven | September 1, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

It's so sad that when such problems as teen pregancy arise whether its in the black community our in rural Alaska, we can't just see Americans with a problem we should all be concerned about. How shallow of your readers to have no sympathy for teens getting pregnant regardless of race and socio-economic level. I suppose if you report on one of the myriad issues faced by the residents of our country's vast Apalachia, you might not get much in terms of a racial response. Sad.

Posted by: MS | September 1, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Palin was not effective as mother, she is not effective as governor and she ain't gonna be effective with anybody as vice president. I have no idea, why John McCain did not choose for example Texas Governor Rick Perry as VP. This guy is waaay more qualified than Sarah Palin, I still have no idea why he chose her. It's mystery, but her daughter was mistery but not any more. I am sure McCain is smarter to pick better running mate, and I am sure "he" did not choose Palin to be his VP. There is something fishy here. Oh, Mr. King, you just stick to your guns as always and you always will come out on top. Don't change a bit, don't change!

Posted by: BOBSTER | September 1, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Abstinence is the only answer to this only problem. Just because her daughter is pregnant, even after she taught this principle to her, doesn't prove that abstinence has failed. This girl made a choice - not to abstain until marriage - and thus she's in this position. Don't blame her pregnancy on the fact that Sarah believes in abstinence. Like I said; her daughter made a choice and it wasn't abstinence.

How many people would feel much more loved and secure by their spouses if they had both abstained? Thus, if we taught our teenagers abstinence, they would feel much more secure in who they are - feel more self-worth, and respect themselves. Giving yourself away to 10 different people (and that is all before marriage!) doesn't make you more secure and loving of yourself. It simply means you've given yourself away 10 times. It doesn't matter if it was "safe sex" or not. You've still given yourself away and 10 different people are walking around with part of your body in a way.

If we taught our teens to respect themselves and abstain - there would be a lot less teen pregnancy. Even still, that doesn't mean this message failed in the instance of Sarah and her daughter. It just means her daughter didn't choose to go this route. And now she is pregnant, and those around her should open up their arms to her and give her as much love as they can so that the mother and her child can grow through this experience.

Posted by: Joy | September 1, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm shocked at what I have read here. Attacking the mother because the daughter got pregnant? Attacking the daughter? Attacking republicans becuase they did not discriminate? What would be worse, being a newly married daughter of the VP, or being a teen that aborted her baby for her and her mothers reputation, or the person who's slip in judgement caused her mother to give up the VP office. I personally would tell my mother to move forward and win. Another thing I'm glad about; the people around Bristol are supportive of her, including Obama, and that there is no way she will ever read your hatefilled comments.

Posted by: Independent Alaskan | September 1, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Alaskan,

Let's talk about BHO's integrity, experience and competence.

Ooops: There is none. Short conversation ;-)

Game over: thank God. It's hard to imagine a worse disaster.

And did y'all hear Michael Moore thanked God that Gustav hit during the RNC? What a scumbag.


Posted by: True American | September 1, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Could not agree more with poster mbrane.

I would add that if a teenage daughter gets pregnant is probably because the parents were not looking after her. Maybe her mother did not want her to take birth control pills.

Palin is probably too busy with her career and so his her father. They have 5 children, I'm pretty sure they have a full time nanny.

And yes, with their fortune, i'm sure it won't be a problem for the underpaid nanny to take care of one more.


>>> Bristol was raised by conservative parents who are very well off and educated. Her mother is a governor and father is an OIL executive. I support her decision to keep the baby. It is even easier that she is probably going to marry the father and the parents are supportive and very well-off. But, imagine a teenager who is living on food stamp or at minimum wage without health insurance with little or no education probably duped and raped and become pregnant but does not know how to protect her rights and does not have her parents/community/society supporting her. For her it is so important that she has the choice for abortion. The mother will be subjected to serious health risks due to lack of care and under age and the child who will most likely born with some birth defect due to mother age, physical conditions and lack of health care. A birth would actually end two lives. A choice will actually save two lives. Let’s be rational, practical and reasonable in 21st century.

Saving life is not just life at conception …. It is beyond birth …. How our kids are raised, educated cared for ….. With no education, health care and at minimum wage, life is a worse punishment than death itself. Let’s ensure every one is guaranteed of education, health care and respectable wage …. that’s what will make life worth saving. That will enable every Bristol to keep the child, even if she is not governor's daughter. Pro-choice is the choice to SAVE life ….. that is truly pro-life. Causing 100000 Iraqis and 5000 innocent brave soldiers die for no reason is not pro-life.

Posted by: Education | September 1, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I agree the Palin family's problems should be off limits. I am more concerned about McCain's monumental lack of judgment and monumental hypocrisy in selecting a running mate with no foriegn policy experience during war time. This after months of attacking Obama for lack of experience. McCain wanted Lieberman but was afraid and succumbed to Dobson. Hopefully this will reduce the amount of pandering to right wing envangelicals in the future. The surrogates I have heard the first 48 hours of this mess should all be held accountable for celebrating a decision which potentially places the United States at grave risk. These seem to be many of the same people who sold us an unnecessary war. Lindsey Graham, Pawlenty, Guiliani et al have no shame it seems. Credibility needs to mean something again. These surrogates from Saturday and Sunday should be haunted by their words. I admire Obama's magnanimity, but swift boaters take this as weakness. Turnabout is fair play (but yes, leave the kids out of it).

Posted by: loincloth | September 1, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

"if Palin had her family's best interests at heart, she would have turned down the VP nomination, stayed in Alaska, and helped her daughter with this tragic pregnancy which will be very hard for all involved."

In the first place, this pregnancy isn't tragic. What a ridiculous idea. In the second place, in educated, professional families, people don't depend on Grandma to help out with child care.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what she would think of that pregnant man in Oregon.

Posted by: ic | September 1, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I wanna hear from the boyfriend

Posted by: ARENEW | September 1, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

"Abstinence only didn't work" How convenient to attack Sarah Palin with your liberal venom. When I was in school (1970s) we were not taught abstinence but that condoms should be used. Guess what? That didn't work all that well either judging by the number of teen pregnancies in my high school. Maybe the problem is a little more complex.

Posted by: fiscal_conservative | September 1, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

These people need our prayers and support,not our criticism."He who is without sin,let him cast the first stone."
Gary Franklin

Posted by: Gary Franklin, Mooresburg, Tn. | September 1, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Mr. King,

You have done service highlight this issue. Teen pregnancy is not limited to everyone who's not white. It's an issue for us all. We need to come together on this problem.

To those calling on Mrs. Palin to step down, would you do the same if the young lady was Chelsea Clinton? I have my doubts.

Posted by: Sterling, VA. | September 1, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

It is a shame that a young girl has to go through this embarasment under the national Spotlight. It speaks volumes about her parents that knowing this would have to come out, and the pain and embarasment it would surly cause their daughter, that they would put their own ambitions ahead of protecting their child. Mrs. & Mr Palin could be forgiven, claiming ignorance of the pressure they were about to step into, but the McCain camp can not be forgiven. Mr. McCain is a vetran of many campagnes, and he knew full well what was going to happen to that poor girl when this hit the fan. He knew and still he was willing to sacrafice the name and reputation of a 17 year old girl to get the VP pick he wanted. Shame on you Mr. McCain. I may vote for you, but I don't think I like you very much any more.

Posted by: Gordon | September 1, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Could not agree more with poster mbrane.

I would add that if a teenage daughter gets pregnant is probably because the parents were not looking after her. Maybe her mother did not want her to take birth control pills.

Palin is probably too busy with her career and so his her father. They have 5 children, I'm pretty sure they have a full time nanny.

And yes, with their fortune, i'm sure it won't be a problem for the underpaid nanny to take care of one more.


>>> Bristol was raised by conservative parents who are very well off and educated. Her mother is a governor and father is an OIL executive. I support her decision to keep the baby. It is even easier that she is probably going to marry the father and the parents are supportive and very well-off. But, imagine a teenager who is living on food stamp or at minimum wage without health insurance with little or no education probably duped and raped and become pregnant but does not know how to protect her rights and does not have her parents/community/society supporting her. For her it is so important that she has the choice for abortion. The mother will be subjected to serious health risks due to lack of care and under age and the child who will most likely born with some birth defect due to mother age, physical conditions and lack of health care. A birth would actually end two lives. A choice will actually save two lives. Let’s be rational, practical and reasonable in 21st century.

Saving life is not just life at conception …. It is beyond birth …. How our kids are raised, educated cared for ….. With no education, health care and at minimum wage, life is a worse punishment than death itself. Let’s ensure every one is guaranteed of education, health care and respectable wage …. that’s what will make life worth saving. That will enable every Bristol to keep the child, even if she is not governor's daughter. Pro-choice is the choice to SAVE life ….. that is truly pro-life. Causing 100000 Iraqis and 5000 innocent brave soldiers die for no reason is not pro-life.

Posted by: Education | September 1, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

As a mother, I do not understand how a mother with 5 children one of them with special needs, is willing to take on the responsibility of being vice president. Granted a month ago, she did not know what being vice president meant so she might think she doesn't have to do anything. There is nothing wrong with being a working mom--but vice president--a position
that demands all your time? Also if I knew my daughter was five months pregnant I would not exploit her. If she truely loved her daughter she would not let her face the ridicule she is facing. Thus not only do I not feel that she is qualified to be a heartbeat away from the president--having
no foreign policy experience or law degree,
but I don't think she is a very caring mother. That being said how can she sympathize with the plight of all the Americans who are now in trouble and need
leadership that puts them first. She doesn't even put her own children first.
Now I know you right wingers will argue and think I am being mean but those of you who are mothers have to think about this. Are you in your children's life on a daily basis and do they come before your career?

Posted by: Nan


Nan, perhaps you just don't have what it takes to juggle it all like Palin can. But I bet if even you put your mind to it you can accomplish great things.

Posted by: Gator | September 1, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Independent Alaskan

Don't be shocked. They're (the socialists) on their heels and showing their true colors.

Go to Russia you losers!

Posted by: True American | September 1, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I wish there was some way for people in our country to swallow their pride and really desire to make things better. the fact is that both parties have some serious flaws. I am a conservative and a minister. Some of the comments made by some Christians on this website disturb me, especially concerning the daughter;s pregnancy. When it comes to personal matters we need to extend a little grace. We want someone to be perfect when in office while we sit back and continue life with no moral code. I am not asking my government leader to be the pillar of religion. but I am asking for some intelligence and change. To Obama supporters, please do not desire change so much that you do not research for yourselves whether he is qualified or not. Speeches don't do it. Besides for a man desiring change, he sure picked a constant in a running mate.

Posted by: ron | September 1, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I like Palin, Her kid gettin pregnant just shows that she has to deal with the same stuff as the rest of us. There are other scandals with her that hold more wieght you can see them at http://www.veeppeek.com

Posted by: Jimmy | September 1, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Wiseman:
awesome point.

As a member of this generation, i can definitely tell you that abstinence only sex education fails miserably. I go to a mix-use technical school for half of my regular school day and half of the females there (actually, 80% of the girls there)are pregnant. HELLO! DUMB KIDS THESE DAYS HAVE SEX! Big surprise people!!! When every aspect of your society glorifies sex, what are you going to expect? And with parents these days too darn focused on their own lives then their family, why do you expect any different? Again, what do you expect when the parents of these kids are just as immoral as their kids are. What are kids going to do when they themselves were born when their parents were teens? Dont just tell me to keep my male hormones under control or tell my girlfriend to keep her legs shut, it takes a STRONG MORAL COMPASS, and a STEADY SOCIO-RELIGIOUS FOUNDATION initialized by the PARENTS (something I am proud to say i have been instilled with) that prevents teen pregnancy, as well as easy access to CONDOMS and BIRTH CONTROL (hey, there is always that prodigal son/daughter) that will prevent this epidemic from further worsening. Get off your soapbox people. and before the comments begin flying, i am a DEMOCRAT, so dont go there. this isnt a partisan issue its a MORAL issue.

Posted by: CFX | September 1, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait until full disclosure is made available on the FACT that this is her daughter's SECOND pregnancy in less than a year. This is a VERY troubled family. It's one thing to slip up once, but twice in such a short period of time? That's a travesty. I do agree that Britney Spears baby sister and "abstenence-only" Palin's children are examples that this is NOT a black/white issue.

Posted by: Her Daughter's SECOND pregnancy within a year? | September 1, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

It is a fact of life that teenage pregnancies happen and it is unfortunate. I take issue with Gov. Palin's (and the Evangelical right) hardline about abstinance-only sex education when such a plan clearly does not work - it did not work for her daughter and does not work for thousands of other teens every year. I would have much more respect for Gov. Palin if she were to acknowledge that fact and encourage real sex education in the home and at school. If she admitted, in light of her own family's experience and reality, that abstinance-only was not effective, she would give herself a great deal of credibility. Also, if her daughter considered giving the baby up for adoption as opposed to marrying at scuh a young age, she again would give her stance on being anti-abortion more credibility. Her statement notes that her daughter will have the entire family's support - lucky for them that they are in a position to be able to afford additional hired help as may be needed. Most people in their situation do not have that luxury.

Posted by: JLF | September 1, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin and McCain are supposed to stand for "values", which normally includes appropriate parenting and instilling wisdom in your kids. Maybe the Palins should build a web site (how about contraceptives411.com?) and make sure their kids and others learn the rudiments of Not Getting Pregnant. It's obvious Just Say No ain't working in the Palin family, but then, it ain't working anywhere in the U.S. or the rest of the globe. Get real, Republicans! Teach contraception!

Posted by: sally | September 1, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

It is disheartening that these 2 young people have been forced to 'share' their error in judgement in the limelight of the media. However, the real "mistake" here is that a "supposedly" dedicated mother who supports the rights of children chose her own political ambitions over the needs of her daughter. Makes one wonder what Gov Palin was thinking to subject her daughter to such painful publicity? I strongly believe a mother has a right to a career; however, not at the expense of her children. Unfortunately, sometimes one has to make a difficult choice and this time Sarah Palin made the wrong choice.

Posted by: TxMiMi | September 1, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see that the hard-line conservatives have taken sex out of the men's rooms and into the bedrooms of underage children where it belongs.

Families should be off-limits, but the bald, shameless, and delusional hypocrisy of hard-line conservatives shouldn't be. Play ball!

Posted by: JohnEdwards | September 1, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Being a far right-wing on every issue is what Sarah is. On Sunday August 31, 2008 Pat Buchanan told Chris Matthews that Palin and her husband were his brigadiers in his 1996 presidential campaign. “They attended my fundraiser event in Alaska. She is a terrific gal, she's a rebel reformer." But Democratic Congressman Robert Wexler of Florida lashed out on Saturday at John McCain's choice of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate, accusing her of supporting "Nazi sympathizer" Pat Buchanan, and branding the move an "affront to all Jewish Americans." The National Jewish Democratic Council also issued a statement Saturday saying that McCain's judgment appears "lacking" in choosing Palin.

Faye Palin, Sarah's mother in-law says that the entire family is shocked. "I'm not sure what she brings to the ticket other than she's a woman and a right-wing conservative. Well, she's a better speaker than McCain," Faye Palin said with a laugh. "We don't agree on everything but I respect her passion," she said.

Posted by: dina | September 1, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

'chuck' said "Condoms fail once in 1000 times, abstinence fails 990 out of 1000 times"

Last time I checked, sexual abstinence involved refraining from having sexual intercourse. If you don't have sexual intercourse at all, you don't get pregnant, unless the usual laws of nature are somehow circumvented and parthenogenesis occurs — not exactly a common occurrence. If you fail to abstain from having sexual intercourse, then it is not 'abstinence' per se that has failed, but rather, self-restraint. Duh. Your illogic = epic fail.

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 1, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

We love getting you all worked up over the idea of Democracy, when in fact, the "American People" haven't really known who counts their votes since we installed "punch card machines" after we assassinated President John F. Kennedy.

You're just slaves to us now; The Help America Vote Act has now sealed our victories by ensuring that the votes cannot be recounted... and we will enslave you forever.

Posted by: I count your VOTES | September 1, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

If it comes to pass that the daughter was in a three year relationship--culminating in an underaged pregnancy--beginning when she was just a 14-year-old CHILD, with a 26-year-old man...her mother deserves to be not only "attacked," but jailed! God almighty!
--
'm shocked at what I have read here. Attacking the mother because the daughter got pregnant?

Posted by: Independent Alaskan | September 1, 2008 6:37 PM

Posted by: Laua | September 1, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I am with OBama---but if you get your wish maybe we can hear for OBama's mother and father as well:

"I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people's families are off limits," Obama declared after attending a Labor Day picnic here. "People's children are especially off limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. So I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Awwwwww, when republicans trash somebody its called straight talk, shows they are tough!... When it comes back at them full steam UNFAIR!!! Scum who say such things... Its Barack Obama
.... These people are hypocrites to every degree.. Just say it... the new Republican slogan... dont worry about doing it....

Posted by: erik | September 1, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"And yes, with their fortune, i'm sure it won't be a problem for the underpaid nanny to take care of one more."

Tell us, Education, where we can read more about this fortune they have, and explain how you can be so sure that their nanny -- assuming they have one -- is underpaid.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I wish Palin's daughter the best. Certainly she may be considered responsible for getting pregnant ... but she is pretty innocent in her mother's choice to run as vp. What could have been a private family matter extending to the most into Alaska is now national fodder. I assume they did not know ... Anyway, if you were hoping to promote compassion - perhaps posting those comments that were understanding might have been powerful. Having said that - this IS an area where I thought the Hillary momentum could have touched making a compelling discussion ...

Posted by: well wisher anyway .... | September 1, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

This teen pregnancy should serve as a warning: the abstinence-only approach to sex education is a failure. We must teach our sons and daughters about birth control.

I support Obama because he will protect women's rights, keep abortion safe and legal, work to improve sex education in order to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, and support equal pay for equal work for women.

Posted by: Robin in Ohio | September 1, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Those of you who are saying abstinence does work are correct. It works when one practices it! Palin's daughter chose not to go in that direction.

I can not imagine why any mother would choose to put her child in such a harsh spotlight, even if it means being a VP. It shows us where her priorities lie.

Those who are saying the "liberal" media are hypocrites are wagging their fingers at the wrong people. You should be wagging your fingers at yourselves. You, the conservatives, are the ones who preach family values. Rather than forcing your outdated belief on the rest of us, maybe you should take a good look at your own lives.

Obama/Biden for me.

Posted by: mama | September 1, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

HEY "Independent Alaskan"!!!!

We don't care if Sarah Palin reads this or not, all we care that smart people don't make mistake and vote for her and the old guy. So far we are good, scale is not tipping on McCain's side. We are also sure that she is actualy happy that we talk anything about them, becasue they need publicity, they need papparzzis and they need money for baby photos. Sound familiar?

Posted by: ContinentalUSAindependent | September 1, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't care if Sarah's daughter is going to be an unwed mother. I do care that Sarah would put her daughter in this spot. I do care that John McCain would put Sarah's daughter and Sarah in this spot. If Cindy finds out that John thinks of Sarah as his "Little Eskimo," she is going to cut of his allowance. (I stole "Little Eskimo" from www.thedailyjohnmccain.com).

Posted by: ericmiami | September 1, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

You're all nuts....none of the candidates are good candidates...including Hillary and all the rest.....they all want to get into our pockets, our beds, our habits, etc. etc......partisan as hell and not solving any problems as far as I can see....they spend only about 50% of the time working than anyone I know and get paid 4X the median family income.....that's 8X per hour!!

I'm sure glad the Washington gun law was repealed.....the locals may need to do us all a favor!!

Posted by: Brian M | September 1, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

The people who bash on abstinence as a failed policy are doing so to justify their promiscuous lifestyles. For those of you who claim it does not work, maybe you should try it. Just because societal views have changed over the years does not mean that morals and ethics have. A society where men and women are sleeping with people who are not their husbands and wives is not an ideal situation. Even if not religious, we have seen scientifically, through the rampant spread of STDs, and socially, through the vast numbers of children having only a young, unwed parent to raise them, that abstinence would solve many problems we face today. We are not animals. We are human beings, and as humans, we should be able to control ourselves when it comes to sex.

Posted by: Wow | September 1, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Yes the Democrats have some vitro pent up and who wonder why this is. Well it is because the hypocritical right is always preaching their moral at us and never living up to them themselves. We are all human so I wish nothing but a safe and successful birth to Palins daughter. It is interesting if that special needs baby is really her mothers since the pictures of the same months show no belly at all? Hmmm I am certainly hopeful that the media look into all of this. No problem being human lady just stop preaching the abstinence only policy and the intelligent design and the no abortion rules at us. You are entitled to your views but not to put them on us. Mc Ain the vet voted worked to stop the GI Bill and myself and my flellow veterans including my two sons currently in Iraq are not going to forget nor forgive him for that. No Way No How No Mc Cain.

Posted by: Col Tom Davis 101st Airborne | September 1, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

It sure proves abstence education, even from a ardent supporter of abstence education, just does not work.

How wonderful they are ready to be grandparents, and their daughter is just so ready to give up a collage education and settle down to start a life of being barefoot and pregnant at the sweet age of 17.

Plain has been very vocal against any type of the use of birth control. Now her daughter is in a jamb.

Her daughter probably did not tell her mother for months, being too scared, and now some poor boy is going to be shanghaied into marrying the stupid girl, who's mother would not allow her to use birth control.

Good example for the nation, get your daughters pregnant before graduation, insist on them having the child, and then see if they can make a salvage a working marriage from their juvenile mistake.

Most sensible politicians, who have run on an abstinence platform, would have realized that it's real egg on their face, and stepped down, not up.

I am just so happy that the child is conceived out of wedlock but to rich grandparents. After all, we know that's all a baby needs, a silver spoon in it's mouth.

Posted by: IM | September 1, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

To all U people.

If someone was drowning all you would do is yell you should have learned how to swim.

Judge not yet we be Judged.

Posted by: Happy White Man | September 1, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Right to life? How about right to a normal life? Why choose to have another baby at 44 when you already have 4 and the incidence for Down Syndrome is 1 in 19 by the time a woman is 45? Is she opposed to birth control, too? Why is she a hero amongst right-to-lifers for not aborting when anyone could have told her the odds were against her before she even got pregnant? I'm sorry, but I don't see what's so noble about that.

Posted by: joyce | September 1, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Two minor points... Her husband does not have a manager position with the oil company. He works up on the north slope.

And as far as the experience thing...
She is currently the commander in chief of the 4000 strong Alaska National Guard, some of which are currently serving in Iraq,
Alaska has 3 army bases, 3 airforce bases, 2 coast guard air stations, 3 coast guard marine offices, totalling over 24,000 military personnel in Alaska,
Alaska is 2.5 miles away from Russia, Alaska is 1/3 the size of the ENTIRE continental US, and larger then all but 18 sovereign nations, Alaska has one of the top 20 national security site (NSA will not say what or where it is on the list, [I figure Alyeska pipeline, top 10]), Alaska has more tidal coastline then the entire rest of the United States, nearly 34,000 miles, Annually Alaska deals with Forest fires, floods, earthquakes, and temps ranging from -60 to +90 degrees. None of which you hear about because we deal with them all internally. Alaska has 22 indigenous languages, not to include Russian, Spanish, multiple asian languages, oh yeah, english. Alaska has the lowest individual tax burden in the United States, with no state income tax or state sales tax. Additionally, Alaska produces 20 percent of America’s energy.

Sarah Palin has been in an elected administration position for 12 years, taking on the big oil companies and government corruption. She took on the most powerful senator in the US House, who happens to be in her own party, and from Alaska.

She is the ONLY person in this race that has administrative experience, the only one who has commanded the military, the only one who has taken on Exxon Mobil, ConnocoPhillips, and BP and won each and every time.

At 2 a.m. when the phone rings, she'll do fine.

(and hw did I answer this so quick... honestly, you're not the first to ask.)

Posted by: Independent Alaskan | September 1, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

It's easy to judge and criticize...the hard thing is to love a child coming into this world. The child doesn't care about the circumstances with which it's born. Either a family is there to embrace the child or there is an entire spectrum of love that is not experienced. Gov. Palin's daughter is lucky as many children will not be grow up with such fortune.

Posted by: EMan | September 1, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm a teacher in Southern California and I see all races of teens who find themselves pregnant at young ages. I'm appalled at the comments by your readers and I hope that it brings them pause now that they see a well-to-do middle class family with the same problems.

Posted by: Bruce B | September 1, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

How much do you wanna bet if Karl Rove was running Obama's campaign, like he currently is for John McCain, we'd instantly see push pulls as follows "would you vote for Sarah Palin if you knew her daughter was pregnant with an illegitimate black child?" Oh, that's right, he did do that, to McSame when he was running against GWB in 2000. I believe the wording was "would you vote for McCain if you knew he had an illegitimate black child?" WOW, AND YET HE STILL HIRED ROVE TO REPRESENT HIS CAMPAIGN!!! Karma is a funny thing......

Posted by: Mark | September 1, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

The more we hear about this Palin individual the more I find her unsuited and unsuitable to be VP let alone possibly President.
Bridge: She approves a Bridge to nowhere for $200 million,and only when they find out it goes nowhere and swould serve 12 people she withdraws her support.
Hunting: She stands over a full grown elk and takes pride in having killed it.No doubt,like her it had a Family too.She could care less,as long as she can put a bullet in its head.
Baby: Some think she is so wonderful in having a baby that has down syndrone,but one must also consider there are millions of people who believe in abortion and that
to have a baby who will have a life of suffering may not be in its best interest.
Daughter: We would hope that a possible President can say that they have high morals and are able to instill those standards in their Family let alone anyone else.The fact that her daughter at just 17 is having a baby out of wed-lock is not something to be thrilled about but something to accept with reservation and understanding...it is not just anything goes/..she has to have standards which she can impart to the Nation.
Husband: I had no idea her husband is in the oil business...can we ever get away from this Republican reference.
Personally,the only time I think she will see the White House is on tour,as I feel the Nation wants a change, and they want Obama in seeing him as a person of change.

Posted by: Elliot Lewis | September 1, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Holy Moly!!! I didn't believe the rumor that Trig was not Sarah's child but it ain't rumor after all. See the video taken by Feb 2008 and she supposed to show signs of pregnancy at the time when the child is 4 months old now.

http://alaskapodshow.com/index.php/2008/02/20/my-visit-to-juneau-alaska/

Convince yourself...

Posted by: Jeff | September 1, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

All this chatter about Sarah Palin having 5 children, one with Downs, and how that affects her ability to serve as VP. Would everyone be having this fervant debate about duties as a father vs. duties as VP if she were a MAN?? I think not. We pay lip-service to gender equality, but when it comes down to the nitty-gritty turn around and judge a woman by a different standard. Still. Today. Which jsut means that women have to be twice as tough and twice as smart as their male counterparts. I have every confidence that SARAH PALIN IS JUST THAT.

Posted by: pawprints | September 1, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

You guys are disgusting. Feeling all sorry for Palin and her family. This woman has more gwebos than almost all of you men in this blog. When's the last time you guys shot a moose? She's no pushover or a wallflower. When you make comments like oh the media is gonna eat her for lunch blah blah blah...PISH POSH! She's smart, and I get a feeling she'd probably kick some of your under 6 feet tall wimpy assed men! And I'd personally pay to see it and laugh at the "wusses" that the Democrats are producing these days. It's the party of whimpy ass men!

Posted by: ttown-neocon | September 1, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

You make an excellent point here, but what are you expecting from a mother who would knowingly place her teenage daughter's pregnancy in the national spotlight? To me, this was the actual failing of Sarah Palin as a mother, not the fact that she could not prevent her daughter from getting pregnant.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I love the talk about the "public judgement session". Having sex IS an adult decision. She chose not to be abstinent and as a result got pregnant. If she would have never have had sex she could never have become pregnant. I don't see how teaching abstinence is bad, when it is the only 100% solution. Palins daughter made an adult decision and she should be treated like one. If she's 'smart' or 'talented' or 'mature' enough to have sex, she can deal with a little press.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

What else is a kid to do in backwoods Alaska. We are human. I quit going to church when they started showing abortion films in sunday school. Most of the kids in that class were having sex. Wakeup people you can't force kids or anyone else to follow your so called beliefs.

Obama O8 for gods sake

Posted by: jon | September 1, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I think I will sit out this election

Posted by: ejhickey | September 1, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

It's time we brought Sarah Palin's daughter out of the shadows and into the spotlight. This family belongs on the Jerry Springer Show!

Posted by: Morton Redner | September 1, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Palin's family is none of our business.

And the personal decisions made by everyone else's family are none of hers.

Posted by: bcamarda | September 1, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I would hope that the love, forgiveness, best wishes, care and understanding, privacy, etc. would also be extended to the many thousands of families and young girls who go through the same tragedy.

Palin's daughter is fortunate to have parents with money and wherewithall to take care of her. Without that family support, just what a disaster, in most cases, it would be for a 17 year old girl to find herself pregnant, a perhaps very reluctant father to accept responsibility, and parents without means to help.

This story should make all so much more sympathetic to the most difficult position and decision any young girl must have to face. And the unfortunate truth is that most of these girls who choose to try and raise and care for their child raises a child who duplicates exactly the same pattern.

Posted by: rer | September 1, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Wake Up, America! You're ALL wrong!

Abstinence does work. It works every single time two teenagers don't have sex. I personally know lots of people who haven't had sex with each other even though they wanted to, so the babies that they didn't have are non-living proof that Abstinence is the most perfect form of Contraception!

Something the Pope said worries me, though. I'm not Catholic, but I do pay attention to things and think about stuff. The Pope says that he doesn't like Contraception because it's just pre-Conception Abortion. That is, Contraception interferes with God's Will by preventing a Life from starting - it ends a Life even before it has a chance to begin. If that's true, then isn't Abstinence just Contraception in sheep's clothing, and therefore just another way of interfering with God's Will?

I remember being 17 quite clearly. I wanted to have sex pretty much all of the time. I am convinced that I would have had a LOT of sex if I'd actually gotten up the nerve to ask anyone to have sex with me (and they'd said yes). I was, in effect, Abstinence Personified.

My real concern is this: doesn't my Abstinence qualify as pre-Conception Abortion? Does my failure to ask anyone to have sex in the face of constantly wanting to have sex constitute interference with God's Will? If I'm guilty of Abortion (Murder), doesn't that make me a Mortal Sinner?

Maybe I should send this to Dear Abby instead. She always knows what to do.

Posted by: The Sarcasticator | September 1, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Tom Davis- please read up on MCCAIN and the GI BILL.... you either are ignorant or prefer to spread half truths. MCCAIN noted the bill was loaded up with pork.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/06/mccain-now-supp.html

Posted by: Jim | September 1, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I presume that all of you have been waiting for me to throw my grain of sand on the pile. Obama is right. The daughter's pregnancy should not be politicized. Now everybody to home.

Posted by: grandpaw | September 1, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I think it is more likely that Mr. King has fabricated these quotes in response to a teenage republican white girl stealing the liberal heart string pulling lime light away from a worthy African American Presidential candidate.

While the quotes are mostly filled with bigotry and ignorance he quietly sneaks subtle self felt truths about any your that gets "knocked up"... ie: "The girls have so little self-love they long for getting knocked up or just believing they're being loved."

Very few bigots have the higher level of thinking to fabricate this statement.

Mr. King is false. Good Day. Obama '08.

Posted by: Michael | September 1, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Mr. King,

Thank you for your insightful article. I am surprised as you are that some would turn this into a racial topic. Maybe we could all focus on the courage of those young ladies who choose to keep their children, facing an early adulthood which will be much more difficult than one without a child to care for. These young women will have to work long hours at jobs that don't pay very much, trying to better themselves by taking classes when they can. I think these young ladies deserve much more recognition than they are given.

Posted by: kobiashimarulisa@yahoo.com | September 1, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

To Wow

Too dumb to use a condom, or other birth control....too dumb to understand abstinence....and likewise if so, it will not work.

How about sticking a cork in it?

Posted by: Brian M | September 1, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

It's depressing, though expected, you and the rest of the media would latch onto a story that has NO BEARING on the election. You are a small man and one of the herd. Thank God, the Internet is marginalizing you and your ilk.

Posted by: Not Impressed | September 1, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

'sally' fumed: "Teach contraception!" and that's why the US is now aborting over 1.5 million preborn Americans each year — over 40 million since Roe vs. Wade. Mother Teresa lamented: "If a mother can kill her unborn child, what is left of the West to save?"

See http://tinyurl.com/2g8up

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 1, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

This story is simple B.S.... It is a cover for a lie that they could not spin. That Bristol is the mother of the little specail needs kid.. To bad its a result of diet pills not Down syndrome... Come on alittle to conveinant when all of alaska knows your lying.... John
McCain picked a winner

Posted by: big lies 101 | September 1, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe how you have candy coated the issue of teenage pregnancy, and glossed over the real issue here. Abstinence education does not work, condoms do, but you need to know how and when to use the thing.

Most (and I stress most) unmarried 17 year old girls simply do not have the ability to responsibly raise a baby. By the way, that is a period at the end of the last sentence because that is a fact and I am not going to justify why because you’re intelligent and you know a fact when it is a fact. In fact, if that fact was not true then this is an issue we would not be discussing here.

Get real Republicans and pull your heads out of the sand. You can’t tell me that Sarah Palin jumped for joy when her daughter broke the news. Her worst nightmare came true. Sarah Palin has also literally lied about the threat of Polar Bear extinction to attract more revenue for Alaska (using research from ExxonMobil), she abused power of office to have her brother in law fired, she lied about her position on the Bridge to Nowhere to get herself elected Governor (which obviously worked), she kills animals for fun, and she believes in Creationism (what a joke, go read the bible people because she hasn’t, and more than likely neither have the majority of you folks, at least word for word, cover to cover). Our country is heading down the wrong path and 8 years with McPalin will put us so deep, Palins daughters, childrens, children will still be paying for the mistakes the Republicans have made the last 8 years. Take off your blinders people and get bloody real.

Posted by: Mlondon | September 1, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Asbee:
That story by Nathan was...not so good. The statement "so a little teenage pregnancy is not such a bad thing" is pure head-in-the-sand ignorance. Yes, the story was a sweet narrative on life in a very small town up in the boonies, but everyone in it has such a fairy tale perspective. I thought the story strange.

Posted by: What? | September 1, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

If a man had an infant would that make HIM ineligible to serve in office?Holy molies, liberals are big sexist pigs!

Posted by: cmartinez | September 1, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

This story is simple B.S.... It is a cover for a lie that they could not spin. That Bristol is the mother of the little specail needs kid.. To bad its a result of diet pills not Down syndrome... Come on alittle to conveinant when all of alaska knows your lying.... John
McCain picked a winner

Posted by: lie 101 | September 1, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

"WOW"

I'm a virgin. Justifying a lifestyle i dont support or participate in? quess who's wrong here. not me......

consider all sides of this issue, and try evaluating some other facts. that abstinence is 200% less effective then a condom or birth control.

quoting a very knowledgable author:

Thought without information does not produce understanding. It is the quality and accuracy of that information coupled with original thought that produces understanding, unlocks meaning and provides potential answers to difficult problems.

Posted by: CFX | September 1, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

oh.. and to Happy White Man, If I saw someone drowning I would try to save him, but I would not hire him to be a lifeguard.

Posted by: joyce | September 1, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

The short of this story is that a seventeen year old girl in a serious relationship is going to be sexually active. It is the parents responsibility to educate their daughter in birth control and make sure she is practicing it. Anything less and they are totally irresponsible parents!

Posted by: Sandy | September 1, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Joyce ..you are just down right ill. Yes mean people suck ...therefore you suck

Posted by: J | September 1, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Mr. King, I didn't see your first column, but I can tell you as a white woman that when I began to read this one, it never occured to me to view teen pregnancy as a racial problem. Maybe that's because I know many white moms in their 30's who are already grandmas. I agree with you that teen moms-to-be should be loved unconditionally and treated with respect. The horrors of abortion didn't come about because women wanted to be able to kill their babies. Those horrors came about because young, unmarried, pregnant women were so stigmatized in our society that they would rather die than give birth to human life. Like you, I hope Palin will use the opportunity to create a code of integrity instead of pandering to the stale code of "morality" that no one can live up to.

Posted by: Vancouver, WA | September 1, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Teenage prgenancy of Palin's daughter makes me think that Palin is proving her being 100% pro-life. People in high value offices are supposed to be the role model for the society. What type of culture Palin wants to bring in the White House? She is not suitable to hold the post of VP of one of the biggest democracy in the World.

Posted by: SW | September 1, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Swift-boat the religious right hardliners. If it were Senator Obama's daughter they would burn her at the stake. No mercy for McCain. For once Democrats go for the jugular. Richard

Posted by: Richard
Please clean your crystal ball Richard, it misreads other people and their intent too much.

Here are some words you can think about regarding this issue.

*Obama's mama
*Edwards
*Glass houses and burning Hillary for being a woman
*Chapaquitic

As a staunch Democrat, I can tell you that your attitude towards a 17 year old girl is why I will vote Palin this year.

Palin brings children with disabilities to the forefront also. This Country could use awareness about the truth.

Women with children are not disabled or foreign,they are smarter.
Congratulations to the Palin's on their first grandchild.
Everyone should celebrate babies.

Posted by: woman citizen | September 1, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

This at once call into question McCain’s judgment and Palin’s priority. McCain, with Palin’s pick, showed us that he is a gambler. Palin with her acceptance put her priority in the wrong place. I am afraid the combination of the two will be a disaster to our nation. There are many great leaders who refused to run fur the presidency because they had family issues that they felt shouldn’t be scrutinized in public. They wanted to protect their loved ones. These leaders are trustworthy and they server our country in whatever capacity they could. My question regarding Palin is that if she is not willing to protect her own daughter from this extreme exposure, how can I trust her with my children. As far as McCain is concerned, a gambler always looses and I don’t want the future our nation to be in the hand of a gambler.

Tom

Posted by: Tom | September 1, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama was super nice about this Palin pregnancy today seen mentioning that his mother was eighteen(18) when he was born. Difference Barack Obama is that your mother was actually dare we say it married to your mother. These we are holier than thou Republicans will fall on their own sword every time. Let us not forget that their convention is being held in the bathroom enthusiast Republican Larry Craig favorite city. LOL..

YES WE CAN! Peel back the Onion and the Republicans and their evangelical base wont look so holy..

Posted by: Doris Mc Mullen | September 1, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

This IS A LIE and Making everyone Look Like fools!!!!!

Posted by: Coverup | September 1, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

This IS A LIE and Making everyone Look Like fools!!!!!

Posted by: Coverup | September 1, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a Christian. I raised my daughter to be honest with me and to know how to behave in society. I taught her that her body was hers alone and the decisions she makes regarding who she is intimate with are serious decisions. My daughter just turned 21 and she is still a virgin, has never used drugs or smoked cigarettes and only had her first glass of wine on her birthday. She didn't like the taste...

Sarah Palin should spend more time at home - being a "pro-family" mother to her children who obviously need her guidance - and give up her quest for power. It's unbecoming of a lady.

Posted by: DNovatny | September 1, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for a great article. I too wonder what happened to common civility let alone decency.


Been married 39 years and I am 57, my wife is 56 you do the math. Why? Well you figure it out.

Was it my moms fault? Nope.

Would I have listen to mom and dad? Nope.

Should it have reflected upon my parents or their field of endeavor?

Raised our children. They are doing fine. We are doing fine.

Those were choices we made. How would those choices reflect upon my parents?

Since I don't abide by the new "nothing is sacred, not even the children," approach to politics and as I am here today testifying my sins to all those here today, I feel that I'm not about to cast the first stone.

I am troubled by the breaking of the unwritten rule of leaving the kids out of it, will this cause a tit for tat response? I hope not.

I think Obama said it best.... "...it is nobody's business."

Posted by: Dan O | September 1, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Lie101 Why do you feel a need to lie? You appear to be a tool, down deep you know that is the only truth about you.

Posted by: Lie 101 is a liar | September 1, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

GO HOME SARA PALIN.. YOUR FAMILY NEEDS YOU YOUR FIRST DUTY IS TO YOUR FAMILY YOU ARE ACTING LIKE A VERY SELFISH SPOILED PERSON IM A LITTLE OLD FASHION BUT I BELIEVE IF PARENTS ARENT THERE THE FAMILY STRUCTURE SUFFERS GREATELY SORRY MCCAIN YOU MADE A BIG BO BO WITH THIS ONE THANKS SORRY YOU CANT GET MY VOTE...

Posted by: veram1 | September 1, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Where's the LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE??

Posted by: Peacenik | September 1, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Talking about abstinence-only is all well and fine but let's get real: millions upon millions of dollars have been wasted on Abstinence-Only UNTIL MARRIAGE programs. This is what's required to apply for and receive this type of funding:

THE FEDERAL DEFINITION OF ABSTINENCE-ONLY EDUCATION

According to federal law, an eligible abstinence education program:

A) has as its exclusive purpose, teaching the social, psychological, and health gains to be realized by abstaining from sexual activity;

B) teaches abstinence from sexual activity outside marriage as the expected standard for all school-age children;

C) teaches that abstinence from sexual activity is the only certain way to avoid out-of-wedlock pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases, and other associated health problems;

D) teaches that a mutually faithful monogamous relationship in the context of marriage is the expected standard of human sexual activity;

E) teaches that sexual activity outside the context of marriage is likely to have harmful psychological and physical effects;

F) teaches that bearing children out-of-wedlock is likely to have harmful consequences for the child, the child's parents, and society;

G) teaches young people how to reject sexual advances and how alcohol and drug use increase vulnerability to sexual advances; and

H) teaches the importance of attaining self-sufficiency before engaging in sexual activity.

Source: U.S. Social Security Act, §510(b)(2).

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Lovely, this is the kind of sex ed a huge number of youth in schools are getting.

Posted by: Jen IA | September 1, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I am the parent of an 18 year old daughter and new grandparent of an 8 month old grandson who was born with optic nerve hypoplasia. He will be visually impaired his entire life.
I can sympathize with Gov. Palin from both the perspective of a child who became pregnant as a teen and the perspective of having a special needs child in the family.
In light of my daughters decision to keep the child and go to work directly after her high school graduation, I refuse to look at the situation as the commonly referred to "mistake".
I look at it as an adult decision (taking on responsibility) born out of necessity.
Teen pregnancy knows no color, ethnic, religious or political boundaries.
Roe vs. Wade and the "pro-choice" movement should mean that if a woman, whether she is 44 as Gov. Palin or a teen as my daughter and Gov. Palin's daughter, should have the right to keep that child without ridicule from any social or political ridicule/humiliation.
If they are willing to be mothers, we should let them.
After all, the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.

Posted by: Steve | September 1, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I cannot believe what I am reading. Are some of you actually suggesting that a child would be better of dead than with down syndrome? That's borderline Hitler talk.

Posted by: Wow | September 1, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

This girl is having a baby,she's getting married,things happen.
Her parents are standing by her,regardless of who they are.

Its not like somebody is driving her over a bridge.

Posted by: J BENSON | September 1, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Goodbye McCain, Bush and Palin. McCain could have been a contender, he choose poorly.

Posted by: Hoffmann | September 1, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I am what they term a republican 'values voter' from PA that strongly identifies with Mrs. Palin. However, when I heard the news of her daughter's 'blessing' and her husband's DUI - I can no longer support such hypocrisy. McCain must have known and is only using these as divisive issues rather than attempting to deal with the difficult economic issues our country faces (particularly here in central PA).

I am absolutely ASHAMED that I thought he might be good for the country.

Posted by: Jane_PA | September 1, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey, ContinentalUSAindependent


All that matters is that BO does NOT get elected.

There are no good candidates, but there are definitely bad ones.

BO is a train wreck HOPEing to happen.

He will, if elected:

ruin our economy;
raise your taxes;
ruin our health care system; and;
get us attacked.

Go to Russia you stupid Socialist.

America does NOT need to be like the rest of the World. In fact, that's why we exist.

Wake up before we're China.


Posted by: True American | September 1, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I hope it works out well for the kids having kids...my issue is that they went into this (likely) as 2 informed people choosing to have a baby, or minimally, at least to risk having a baby. But now, it's 1 person's choice to decide what to do. That's OK, but I'm not sure the dad should be on the hook for that. This couple may choose otherwise, and that's fine, but why doesn't the dad get the choice as to whether to bring this child into the world. 50/50. Today's law is completely one sided and unfair to the father.

Posted by: kurt | September 1, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I think its hot that homeboy boned that chick "rawdog" and she took it inside her!

Posted by: TruckerT | September 1, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

independent Alaskan: The only thing your comment illustrates you are independent from is reality. Your encyclopedic facts and figures about Alaska can't disguise the fact that your governor is a lying hypocrite.

Regarding the teen pregnancy issue, the hypocrisy is even worse. I read in the New York Times that the women at the Republican National Convention were embracing news of Bristol Palin's pregnancy. How warmly and openly do you think those same women would react to the news if the unwed teenager was Barack Obama's daughter instead?

Posted by: Lisa Williamson | September 1, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Compassion and civility have never gone out of style; Senator Obama's comments about Bristol Palin's pregnancy were those of a gentleman. Senator McCain's choice of Gov. Palin as a running mate while knowing of her family situation is also the act of a gentleman. let's all try a little harder. Mr. King has to be a big man to do his job.

Posted by: Mex | September 1, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for this column about teen pregnancy. Too many times the teen or the baby, are the supposed 'problems'. The 'problem', from what my perspective, is how we as people view other people. Mistakes should be forgiven then learned from, not things which arbitrarily make people 'bad'. These past three generations of humans, have embraced a me first mentality. Sexuality, marriage, politics, work, etc., have become things we do for ourselves. When we put ourselves first in these categories, then we miss a huge part of our Humanness. If we look out for others more than ourselves we would realize what is real in life, and not be condemning of peoples mistakes or choices in life. It's not about just getting along, it's about looking out for others and NOT number one.

Posted by: Tim | September 1, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

After reading comments here,and other sites,I find that the tolerant liberal left are pretty intolerant,haters.Since when is it suprising that a teenage girl gets pregnant then gets married,or not.Happens all the time and has for years,I am 52 and my mother was pregnant at 17 then married my dad and were married till she died in 1985.Teen pregnancy is nothing new.Unless you keep your children locked up 24hrs a day and never let them out of your sight chances are they,re going to something you told them not to do,all these comments about Palin being a bad parent or withdrawing because she has kids are just BS from scared DEMS.

Posted by: gunnrunner | September 1, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

The reason people took what you sais in "racial terms" is because everything you write in in racial terms. You are the worlds biggest bigot ever.

Posted by: mrjerbub | September 1, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

First I'd like to start off by saying that I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. I am forced by our antiquated political system to pick one or the other at the beginning of an election process. I try to pick the best person for the job. He/She may be a Democrat or a Republican, or God forbid even an independant.

Now first, the teen pregancy issue that Mr. king wrote about, isn't an issue that Palin should tell about. It is an issue that Americans should tell about white or black, yellow or red. This is an American issue.

Second, if you want to know what's wrong with American politics, just go back and look at the rantings the previous folks posted. They have to be rantings because they're not at all well thought out. just like some to think that only Demorats can run America or that only Republicans can run America. Believe me folks it take good people of all parties, races, and religions, to build a good government. And if it's being done right, it's our fault for not making informed decisions in the voting booth.

Right now our government is saturated with politicians that are at best self-serving. And if you are a Democrat that thinks its all screwed up because the Republicans are in office then you have another thought coming. And vice-versa. Just think of the important issues that have been ignored by the congress when contolled by either party. Neither party is capable of understanding the meaning of the word concensus. Oh well I'm off my soap box, I'm finding myself ranting.

Posted by: Mike | September 1, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Post really needs some screening for its posters. Some of these comments are totally ridiculous and extremely inappropriate.

Posted by: Lisa Williamson | September 1, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Sarah & Todd Palin need to stop being so selfish and concentrate on their family right now- their baby and pregnant teen daughter need them. Where's the family values? Walk the walk!! Do they really think it is in the best interest of their family to uproot and haul them all around this country and, possibly, relocate them from Alaska to Washington DC??? The fact that Palin would sacrifice her family for her own power and fame speaks volumes about who she really is. Not to mention that she didn't nip this in the bud from the get go by telling McCain "Thanks, but I am in NO WAY qualified to run this country ..." The American people will say it for her ... "Thanks, but no thanks." McCain & Palin just handed this election to Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

'The Sarcasticator' wrote: "Something the Pope said worries me, though. I'm not Catholic, but I do pay attention to things and think about stuff. The Pope says that he doesn't like Contraception because it's just pre-Conception Abortion. That is, Contraception interferes with God's Will by preventing a Life from starting - it ends a Life even before it has a chance to begin. If that's true, then isn't Abstinence just Contraception in sheep's clothing, and therefore just another way of interfering with God's Will?"

See http://tinyurl.com/2g8up

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 1, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

As a Canadian, I am apalled how the religious nuts have taken over south of the border.

The biggest nut of all is in the White House and claims to talk to god.

And what is with the Inquisition interview a couple of weeks ago of the candidates?

Canada and Europe would not put up with this nonsense.

This is 2008, not 1608!

Posted by: Bill | September 1, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

HELLO AGAIN "Independent Alaskan"!!!

You forgot to mentioned that whole Alaska as the biggest state of USA has only 670,000 people. That is less than one Chicago neighborhood. You also forgot to mentioned that Alaska has less than 1 person on Square Mile. You forgot to mentioned that Palin was mayor of town that has less than 7000 people and that same as some small rathole in Arizona or Texas where high school drop out or felon can be mayor. Welcome to continental USA, Sarah Palin's resume is garbage. You need to tell us, how many black people your great land of Alaska has?

Posted by: ContinentalUSAindependent | September 1, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

The question is: will she make it to Wednesday as the presumptive nominee? Judging by the volume of reaction and strength of feeling following the publication of this column hardly two hours ago, I doubt it. CNN and others have investigative teams in Anchorage and if this doesn't do her in, the Troopergate affair will. At some point she'll call McCain and say maybe it would be better if she just backed out. Or maybe the call will be in the other direction...

Posted by: BillyD | September 1, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I am flabbergasted that in 2008, we have to have a national debate about whether a woman can hold an office AND have children.
We want to claim that fathers play a big role, yet I doubt this discussion would even be happening were it Palin's HUSBAND running for office. We'd expect that the little woman would be handling all the "family stuff" in order to allow the man to do the job.

The fact that this discussion is even happening is evidence of America's enduring sexism against women. How many centuries of hard work and stellar performance will it take for us to get equal footing???

Posted by: This is ridiculous. | September 1, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Bigotry abound. I think Palin is on the right track. She wouldn't trade her flesh off for anything, nor her daughters.

Society needs to jump on THAT band wagon.

I've read alot here... double standards. Mrs. Palin obviously is not abandoning her children, nor her new baby. I'm sure her husband is doing a great job.

Where are all of the feminists that should be standing up for her - she has her husband by her side - Mr. MOM. How much more feminist can you get? A man that stays at home - and she can pay the bill. HA!
The libs assume that the only way that is acceptable, is if she had a short-clippered cut 'partner' that could do the job.... not her husband. (I don't have a problem with that either... but come on.)

Well she chooses to LET HER DAUGHTER SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCE. THIS is something that Democrats should learn more about. Consequences not based on taxpayers dollars.

I'm sick of everyone passing the buck, or hitting the abortion button just because it's easier. Take some responsibility.

American needs healing. Family, whatever one chooses but Not death.

Posted by: Matthew | September 1, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin obviously markets herself very well and is very ambitious. Bristol's pregnancy is a private matter. However, Sarah Palin has a family who needs her very much right now...a child with Down's Syndrome and now a pregnant teenager. Her priorities are skewed when she forgets that responsibility begins at home ... not with a demanding job. Are the other conservatives not seeing this as an issue? Does family not come first?

Posted by: NCMother | September 1, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

This is so disappointing.
Maybe I'll just sit this one out. McCain has made a choice that I just cannot identify with. And, he too is not the man he was up until recent months...he's changed, and it is for the worse imo.

Posted by: Sara B | September 1, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean the Republican National Convention has been changed to a baby shower? Gift ideas? Stuffed polar bear (real)...

Posted by: Jeff | September 1, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

That was really disenginuous of the McLame campaign to play the Juno card on the first day of the RNC while a major hurricane hits the gulf coast-again.I had heard of some republicans praying for rain,oh, wrong convention.Apparently McLame forgot to check all the baggage/skeletons that comes with this lady.Hecka of job Brownie!

Posted by: dunite1 | September 1, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Did we ask Kennedy to resign when Jackie had a baby in the White House? Did we ask Kennedy to resign when Jackie Kennedy lost Her Baby? If Palin's husband was running would we suggest he should be replaced? Might be hard to accept, but Mr Palin is the stay at home Mom. Men today do choose to be the care giver. It is OK.

Posted by: ryan | September 1, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey Lisa,

Just like a Marxist: presume to know what someone else thinks.

You never made a mistake? Right. Who's the hypocrite?

Wow. You people never fail to amaze.

Posted by: True American | September 1, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

This women fights for what she genuinely believes in.

Far too many member of congress support the war but would not send their children over to fight OR are pro-life but are they?

This is a women that PRACTICES WHAT SHE PREACHES. She's strong, has legislative experience, and executive experience.

I would rather have an inexperienced vp than an inexperienced president.

Posted by: Natalie | September 1, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

We live in a world that is constantly blaring at us to do the wrong thing. And when we do we're damned. We have very little that tells us the right things. The voices of evil seems a lot louder than the voices of good. But if we listen there is a "still small voice," and that is the voice of the good Lord. We make choices one at a time. Sex outside marriage is always a bad choice. Get married. Make the best of it. Raise the baby in a loving, forgiving home family relationship. God bless us all.

Posted by: Jim | September 1, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Teenage pregnancy is not a racial issue. There are plenty of white, hispanic, asian, black, etc. young girls who get pregnant everyday. We are completely influenced by the media. The mainstream media (powered by large corporations) has been given entirely too much leverage by this administration achieving the goal of increasing capitalism. We now find ourselves in a situation where role models for our nations youth are young girls who present themselves like they are in their early twenties even though they are just teenagers.

Media is a form of education and the education that these young girls are recieving at home (tv, movies, internet)is to be seductive, sexy, to be focused on boys when they have no idea how that will effect their "non-celebrity" lives. It is normal to mimic what you see and that is exactly what is happening. Young girls and boys simply aren't ready, are uneducated and easily follow what they see. Thorough sexual education and a comprehensive program is needed. Reform in the media is a must. Parents need to take an active role with their children as well, and this definitely is not a racial issue, this is absolutely across the board.

Posted by: beingmybest | September 1, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

How about a Red Ryder BB Gun with a compass in the stock?

Posted by: Mark | September 1, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

We all KNOW if she were MALE this thread would be shorter than OBAMAs list of accomplishments.

Posted by: J | September 1, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm ashamed of Gov. Palin for putting her daughter in such a harsh limelight. Most teenage girls who become pregnant wouldn't appreciate having the whole town know about her condition, let alone the whole world. How could Palin choose her own ambition over her daughter's needs? I feel sorry for her children.

Posted by: Karen C | September 1, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

This woman has lied about her ties to fire her ex-brother in law, lied about her ties to the bridge to nowhere, is facing impeachment in the house of Alaska, doesn't support sex education or abortion but accepts the fact that her 17 year old daughter is 5 months pregnant and says its OK. I think John McCain lied about knowing this. What else are they going to lie to us about if they become President and VP. I think Barrack Obama will now be the next president cause we cant trust McCain.

Posted by: Michael | September 1, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

It is sad. When it happens to blacks or poor or a "liberal" person it is a shame and it is condemned. When it happens to "conservative" repugnants, holier than thou people, then we should all understand!! Pardon me, if this was Obama's household....we will all be singing a different tune. Gimme a break, this is plain hypocrisy I want none of it.It is a "personal" issue now...it would have been political football had it happened to others.

Posted by: dave | September 1, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

While an unwed pregancy is hardly news today, I am very troubled that McCain chose Palin as his running mate after finding out about this situation. It is very tough today to raise children and explain the very important reasons why they should defer sex in their teenage years (and my reasons have nothing to do with religion). I am not pleased at all to have the Palin daughter's pregnancy thrust front and center during this election. Worse, this family condones a seventeen year old getting married. Another mistake. Poor judgement by McCain to choose her and an even poorer decision by Palin to accept the VP nomination. She's all about "me, me, me". And, I was an independent leaning toward McCain.

Posted by: Example | September 1, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

It's really no ones business but the parents and daughter and boyfriend. If Democrats had brains they would be Republicans.

Posted by: ejidocy | September 1, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

So is this an indictment on Palin's love for abstinence-only education? Teenagers will always have sex no matter what you tell them, and I wonder how many of them want to marry all the people they have sex with. Does Bristol really want to marry the father or is she being forced to in order for it to appear in line with her mom's family values? I also feel so sorry for Bristol, seeing as now the whole world is focused on her 17-year-old belly.

Posted by: Sam | September 1, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

My problem is not with the bad judgement and mistake made by the 17 year old daughter and more with the parents. First, this proves once again that abstinence only education doesn't work. Second, the parents proudly announce a 17 year old is getting married--a recipe for failure. Thirdly, it is inconceivable to me that a mother with a newborn, special needs baby and a pregnant 17 year old child would consider hopping on a campaign bus for 2 months and then assume a job that could include long hours, including weekends, not to mention she is totally unqualified for the position. I also find it appalling that the parents would disregard the privacy of the child and expose her to the entire country. Children that age are very sensitive and I think Sarah Palin has placed her ambition over the immediate needs of her children. I feel for Bristol; she must feel humiliated and embarrassed the whole world knows about her personal problems. Sad.

Posted by: cillann | September 1, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

The most important thing is to have a VP who is openminded, willing to listen to a wide range of opinions, and then make tough decisions. I think Palin could do that. She also does not tolerate vested interests.

To be honest, America's quite lucky with the candidates this time around. Obama, Biden, McCain, Palin...
All four are good, honourable people.

What a change after 8 years of the dishonorable Bush/Cheney gang!

Posted by: European reader | September 1, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

SWMissouri,
Palin could have turned down the job. Anyway, we are told that the Council for National Policy is the one who vetted Palin; that Council includes various Republican luminaries.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

RNC BECOMES A BABY SHOWER!!! PALIN'S REGISTERED AT WALMART. How about a barrel of oil for the new baby? Real stuffed polar bear is good though too.

Posted by: Susan | September 1, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Really, would you be saying that Palin should be going home to raise her infant and support her daughter if it was MR. instead of MS.? Shame on you psuedo libs who are all about party lines and NOTHING about the reality of how things are. If any of you wrote that Ms. Palin cannot be a good VP because she is the mother of an infant and an expectant grandmother, YOU ARE A HYPOCRATIC PENDEJO!!!! look it up, that's you! A woman is just as capable of being a mother and holding office as a man. At least the Republicans recognize that.

Posted by: CMartinez | September 1, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Anyone out there who knows what the Palen family is going through...take a look at what Dems really think of you.

Anyone who has a family member of friend who has been mentally injured... just think...there are many(mostly Dems) who wish you were never born. That is very evident in these posts and in the DNC platform. They do wish you dead.

Posted by: J | September 1, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Teen age pregnancy knows no race or economic boundaries and defiantly no political boundaries. As a society we have allowed kids to think there are no real consequences for there actions. And in the case of the Palins, they had to tell the world if Gov. Palin is running for office. you cannot hide a pregnancy when the world is watching. At least they are not hiding her under the rug like most politicians do during elections. (Has any one seen the Democratic VP nominee's son who who has many scrapes with the law?)

As to the comments that traveling in 8th month of pregnancy could have caused Trig's Downs Syndrome...that is a genetic abnormality that is present not long after conception. Read a high school science text book.

Posted by: Jeni Oregon | September 1, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Greetings "True American"!!!

Thanks a lot for your insults on another 32,000,000 people. You are the one that think USA that doesn't have to be like the rest of the world. Well we got news for you fools, THE REST OF THE WORLD DOESN'T WANT TO BE LIKE USA. Think about it, if we mind our business nobody will atack us, so far you and your friends Bush and Dick, got us attacked and killed. We do not need another 4 - 8 years of NAZZIS in White House and that is what McCain is. Same crap.

Posted by: ContinentalUSAindependent | September 1, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

John McCain appears to have a history of making hasty decisions. "I make them as quickly as I can, quicker than the other fellow, if I can," Mr. McCain wrote, with his top adviser Mark Salter, in his 2002 book, "Worth the Fighting For." "Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint." The President of the United States should not be inclined to make hasty decisions.

Posted by: Raul | September 1, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

WOW. I feel like I'm watching my country self-destruct in slow motion. Sarah (who?) Palin should be promoted from hockey mom from rural Alaska to the world's most powerful leader? Are you serious?? What is going on??!! This is beyond scary. McCain cares so much about winning an election that he would put our country in such danger? Clearly he is not thinking of the good of our nation -- he has lost my vote. These are truly sad times.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

wait palins teen daughter is pregnant? so she cant even manage her own family, i guess she want around for the birds and bees talk with her daughter....so if shes to busy to know what the hell is going on with her own familly how in the hell would she become a good vice president??answer? rebuttal?? i think she should get out of politics and tend to that retard baby she just had? oh and it doesnt seem responsible to me when you know that having children at a later age can have a birth defect...more good judgement!! stay the hockey mom you are and forever will be.Good thing im voting for obama!

Posted by: kim | September 1, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey Seistmediaanddemoctats,
You wrote "NOONE VEETTED THE NO EXPRIENCE MALE PRESIDENT CANDIDATE OBAMA! HE HAS NO EXPERIENCE!"
Excuse Me! McCain has been spending MILLIONS of dollars on ads with Britney Spears and Paris Hilton as celebrities touting Obama as a celebrity without experience. You must have Rush KoolAid for breakfast.

Posted by: HypocryteRepublicansSuck | September 1, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

WOW!!! Republicans preaching compassion for teenage mothers instead of condemning them as welfare queens? Wow, between this and the hurricane, maybe it's.... the Apocolypse!!!

Posted by: Laughing at GOP | September 1, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

We live in a society that encourages teen pregnancies -- Doesn't matter if you're black / white... I am white, raised in VERY christian environment, I pledged that I would get married a Virgin, and sadly I didn't make it. This is when I was a teen back in the '80s; it was hard then, and it's even harder today. Thank you Hollywood / Nashville I lay the blame on you, Sex is what you sell, not quality programming, and if you don't believe me look at those who represent your craft such as Brittany Spears, or Lindsey Lohan

Sara Palin did what EVERY parent should do in this situation, and she handled it remarkably well. Love and support our children when they fall into situations like this. I know a lot of conservative parents that would have handled this MUCH differently!!

Posted by: Richard | September 1, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

CFX,

There is no way abstinence is 200$ less effective than birth control. That doesn't make sense. Sorry.

Brian,

Because someone is too dumb to practice abstinence does not make it ineffective.

Again, we are talking about people here, not animals. People can control sexual urges.

Posted by: wow | September 1, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I keep wondering why the young parents to be are not married now. As I understand it, the candidate's daughter is several months into her pregnancy. What on earth are they waiting for!

I greatly admire Obama for saying that families are off limits. Were it not for the constant hypocrisy of conservatives, I would agree with him. Plain and simple: when you make political points out of dictating that others should be legally bound to follow your moral dictates, you should damn well be ready to have your morals, and those of the people closest to you, publically examined.

Posted by: Jim S | September 1, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I quess "just say NO" doesn't work at any level of the socioeconomic spectrum. The Republicans are always good to solve complex problems with simple slogans and solutions. Palen is an expert at it.

Posted by: Bill | September 1, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Don't BECOME brain damaged or else it is VERY EVIDENT Dems want YOU GONE Do you not see it?

So much for the least among us

Posted by: J | September 1, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous,

The only thing more scary than a McCain presidency is a BO presidency.

At least we can survive the former.

Cheers,

Posted by: True American | September 1, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired of conservatives blaming "liberals" for bringing this issue up. When someone comes out trying to legislate morals I think it's completely fair to ask that the person proposing these issues follow them. I also think it's fair to point out that her views are flawed and she should look no further than to her 17-year-old daughter.

Posted by: Sam | September 1, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the boyfriend's willingness to marry has anything to do with Governor Palin being a card carrying member of the NRA

Posted by: Shivas, Vancouver, BC | September 1, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Things really look hopeless for us. Maybe we need to try something we've never really tried before. How's about trying to love one another? How would things be if we tried to live this passage:

Love is patient,
love is kind;
love is not jealous or boastful;
it is not arrogant or rude.
Love does not insist on its own way;
it is not irritable or resentful;
it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right.
Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Love never ends.

I think any person of good will can agree with that definition regardless of his religion or lack of religion. We won't get it perfect, but we'll get better with practice, and the world will get better as we get better. That's guarenteed.

Let's try each one of us, and see what effect it has.

Mr King. Please continue your thoughtful articles.

Posted by: Rob K. | September 1, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

being a father of 4 daughters my heart goes out mrs palin but at the same time
we need somebody who has the ducks in a row
not somebody who has a full plate we need
true change not more headaches

Posted by: larry | September 1, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

When did teen pregnancy become acceptable?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

,It seems to me that if Palin had her family's best interests at heart, she would have turned down the VP nomination, stayed in Alaska, and helped her daughter with this tragic pregnancy which will be very hard for all involved. How does being in the spotlight 24/7 help her child?

Posted by: Independent in KY


Have you ever heard of this word?
Father

The baby's mother and "father" have supportive family.

I would worry more about who candidates associate with, and choose for friends than what their children do.

Posted by: dotty | September 1, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Ann Dunham was only 17 when she was pregnant with Barak and unwed. With the right support these situations don't always turn out bad. We need to remember who raised Barak, if your prone to blame Sarah Palin for her daughters pregnancy, it was Ann's parents.

Posted by: starryperdun | September 1, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

What most people seem to not realize is that life does not begin with sex. Life begins with the breath of God. Every person was planned by God and He does not make mistakes. So, whether or not children are being born in or out of marriage, God is the author of life (Genesis 2:7, Psalm 139:13-18). As a community, we need to offer the Palin family a little more grace. Let us give thanks to God for each life He has created(Proverbs 1:7). Let's focus our energy on making the life great for each gift from God (Psalm 127:3). This statement is from an infertile, new adoptive Mom.

Posted by: A Mom | September 1, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Sam,

If you actually made a point (no substance at all) I might have listened.

More liberal blah, blah, blah.

Useless, as usual.

Posted by: True American | September 1, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi, the darling of the left, is also the mother of 5 children. Where's the criticism of her child rearing skills?

Posted by: Lynn | September 1, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I think many people's comments are driven by emotion rather than education. Because you feel it does not make it necessarily accurate. It is OK to teach our children a since of shame. It is ok to tell them you screwed up. Palin is not necessarily putting her family through worse torture. every family is different.As far as sex education goes, last time I checked abstinence only was not being taught by the school systems. Also, if you educated yourself on the latest stats, you would see that teen sex has increased dramatically despite attempts at the "right" education. Obviously, public education emphasis approaches is not the answer. It is not just about right and wrong. It is about teaching why one way causes the fewest repercussions.I know it is easy to make comments via a computer. I just ask that you educate yourself before criticizing someone or something.

Posted by: ron | September 1, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Mr. King,

You speak of the hypocrisy in the responses to your piece. However, I wonder if the greatest piece of hypocrisy of all is the Palins' statement.

Do you think they would have been offering "unconditional love and support" to Bristol if Mrs. Palin wasn't a candidate for the second-highest office in the land? If her (and by default, her family's) every move wasn't under constant scrutiny by a scoop-hungry media?

If that wasn't the case, do you really think things in the Palin household would be so rosy? No shouting matches? No tears?

Do Mr. and Mrs. Palin really think that, at 17, their daughter is physically and emotionally ready to take on the demands of motherhood? (Or is Mrs. Palin counting on a McCain win and a Secret Service nanny for her grandchild?)

If Mrs. Palin was so steadfast in her "religious right" beliefs, why was there not a line in the family's statement saying something along the lines of, "While we feel it is unfortunate that our daughter has engaged in premarital sex at such a young age..."?

Yes, the true hypocrisy here is that for the sake of "family unity" in the midst of a public campaign, Mr. and Mrs. Palin are whole-heartedly throwing their support behind a teenage pregnancy that should be shaking them to the core, both as parents and as religious conservatives.

Posted by: jeff | September 1, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

i knew that mccain should have chosen hillary!

Posted by: dallas | September 1, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

It became acceptable when it happened to a Republican. Republicans denounce it everywhere else, but now that its one of them its a beautiful thing. Hypocrites.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Only in America would a trivial issue such as this bring forth a tirade of opinions from all sides of the fence. Grow up America, there are far more pressing issues to debate than a teen girl's pregnancy.

Posted by: The Minder | September 1, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I really do think that the Christian-right are crazy and dillusional. There we are, this country with it's illigal war and it's 2 term idiot. Nixon looks good from here...then my goodness look what has emerged people in the running that are not white silver haired suits. If the people are starting to look different then perhaps we are starting to think differently about what America is (?)
As far as prganacy is concerned...every child should be wanted...we have not even looked after our orphaned children...if the anti-abortionists are that concerned,
please visit the orphanages, take in foster chilren and keep your over blown ego's out of the painful "real life" decisions other women have to make!

Posted by: marielovett | September 1, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

There is no hypocrisy here unless you know what her daughter's beliefs are. You know you are just another tool...I got a drawer of tools ..i need no more

Posted by: Hey Jim S | September 1, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I am the baby in a family with two older sisters.
I am an unashamed pro-lifer. What really cemented it for me was when my 18-yr old sister got pregnant.
Now I don't go out to protests or anything like that, but in my heart I feel abortion is wrong. Adoption is such a better option but that's not why I am writing this.
On hearing the news that my sister got pregnant, my father was outraged, embarrassed, and ashamed. He shunned my sister for nearly two years. He was insistent that she abort the baby and refused to speak to her about anything. No holidays. No birthdays. Nothing. He didn't want to have anything to do with his problem middle child's teenage pregnancy. He couldn't believe this was happening to his family! Shock! Horrors! Gimme a break. I though it was cool that I was going to be an uncle.
My mother, from whom he divorced when I was three, had to fight tooth and nail in family court to get my father to pay the costs of my sisters health insurance.
He was so focused on his own feelings and petty selfishness that he forgot he had a daughter who was in need of his support whatever decision she made about her baby. He was also making things very uncomfortable for the rest of us.
Long story short, my niece is a very healthy 18. She's a freshman in college now and we're all proud of her. She has no idea how close she came to never even being born.
We are not allowed to even mention the above story to my niece or it would be the end of any relationship, superficial or not, with my father and the perpetrator.
I can't wait to see where he comes down on Palin's daughter's pregnancy.
He typifies the meaning of hypocrisy. I believe he secretly envies those men amongst us who've dodged a bullet through abortions.
I am 100% convinced that if abortion were legal in 1966 when my unmarried, 18 year old mother was pregnant for our oldest sister, none of us would be alive today.
Now my oldest sister's 19 year old son is with a girl who is pregnant with his baby due in November.
According to my math, if my oldest sister were aborted; Including everyone spawned from that pregnancy in 1966: 9 lives would have been snuffed.
I am thankful that abortion was illegal and my parents didn't have access to so-called back alley abortions. They married, things didn't work out, but we still have our shot.

Posted by: Derek | September 1, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Speaks to just how straight talking is Governor Palin.
Other than that it's young people making poor choices related to sex.

Posted by: charlos | September 1, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I get so tired of people saying that Obama has no accomplishments:

EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE: President of the Harvard Law Review, running his masterful campaign - think of his campaign as his "start-up" - almost $400 in revenue from 2 million donors, hiring people who are discipled and work as a team, not for individual glory. He has not had to fire people and shake up his campaign like McCain has. Good grief - as a relative unknown, he toppled the premier democratic machine of the Clintons. If his campaign was a start-up business, he'd be a very successful businessman.

Just google "Obama" and "legislative accomplishments" - see what you find. He has reached across the aisle many times:

Lugar-ObamaLugar-Obama Bill to Keep Weapons Out of Terrorists' Hands:

http://obama.senate.gov/press/060523-lugar-obama_bil/

Coburn-Obama Bill to create Internet database of Federal Spending (www.usaspending.gov):

http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=LatestNews.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=8dcb8c35-802a-23ad-4d37-9c8ea9c43460

Other:
1)In the US Senate, Barack Obama has served on the
FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE,
HOMELAND SECURITY COMMITTEE,
VETERANS AFFAIRS COMMITTEE,
HEALTH, EDUCATION, LABOUR & PENSION COMMITTEE.

2)Before getting to the US Senate Obama served more than 7 years in the Illinois State Senate(A Big state).

3)Barack Obama is a graduate TOP of his class at Harvard Law School and earned Doctor of Law degree.

4)Barack Obama has a degree in Political science specializing in International Relations from Columbia University.

5) Editor-in-Chief of Harvard Law Review - Only the brightest student with highest intellect from Harvard gets to serve this position.
-Editor-in-Chief of Harvard Law Review with a circulation of 8,000 is an executive experience more prestigious than a mayor from a small city of 5k.

6)Barack Obama worked as a Civil Rights lawyer for 9 years.

7)Barack Obama was a University of Chicago Constitutional Law Professor for 12 years.

8)In the State Senate Obama has written 890 pieces of legislation, and co-sponsored 1096 pieces of legislation.

9)Barack Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for a community organizing institute.

10)Barack Obama worked in Chicago, Illinois as the director of the Developing Communities Project.
-Community Organizing projects have staffs and annual budgets and have to be managed and run. So, for those who quite falsely say that Barack has never "run" anything, it should be known that, when he joined the Developing Communities Project, it had a staff membership of one person and an annual budget of $70,000, but when he left it three years later, it had 13 staff members and an annual budget of $400,000. Republicans like to talk about making businesses successful, the measure of success being that they produce, amass capital, and increase the wealth of the owners and stockholders and so on. But Barack turned a public service organization that prepared people for education, jobs and serviced their struggling neighborhoods into a solid success.

11)Obama has been campaigning for the same if not even more time than Palin has been Governor .. & Obama's staff nation-wide .. is immensely larger than the population of Alaska

-Finally Obama's intellectual talent is at the level of Abraham Lincoln/JFK if not more. This type of leader comes once in a life time.

Posted by: JB | September 1, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who says Obama has no executive experience is wrong. He headed up his own presidential campaign, which was a massive enterprise. And he did a very good job.

Posted by: Richard Winger | September 1, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Mr King,

I absolutely empathize with your sentiments on this issue. Perhaps it's the sign of the times but the mindless racists are beginning to raise their ugly heads.

Teen pregnancy is an issue that cut's across all racial, cultural, religious and political boundaries but those mired in their own self-loathing and hatred no longer are able to accept substance over shadows. They are more interested in spreading their bile than solving a problem.

Those bereft of conscience, driven by their own profane morality, will always (unfortunately) be among us.

Good Luck and God Speed

Posted by: Joe - Milwaukee | September 1, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

We can only assume that the pressure on Palin's daughter to practice abstinance was as great as could be brought to bear on any teenager. How well did abstinance work for Palin's own children, obviously not well. That Palin would continue to preach her absurdly conservative views to America in light of those ideas failing in her own family, is just additional evidence of how out of touch she is with reality.

Speaking of being out of touch, I am beginning to wonder whether or not McCain actually knew that Palin's daughter was pregnant. In fact I am wondering if even Palin knew her daughter was pregnant. It just doesn't add up. Both McCain and Palin would have to know that the pregnancy would be uncovered by the press fairly quickly. McCain's whole campaign is built on "Straight Talk", and he can't pretend that voters wouldn't have been curious about the daughter's pregnancy. Now it looks fairly obvious that if McCain actually did know, that he was trying to hide the pregnancy for at least some time before admitting the news. It is clear to anyone that it would have been much better for McCain to have come out with it immediately if he knew, so why didn't he? I say it was because McCain didn't know, and very likely neither did Palin.

Some additional facts; Palin has proven to be seriously out of touch with reality in the past. Once she boarded a 10 hour flight after her water broke, was she just praying that everything would be OK. After her last child was born, with Down's syndrom, she felt that she had enough time left in her child care schedule to campaign for McCain as VP. The McCain campaign now say that the daughter always planned to marry the boy who fathered the child, then what are they waiting for, do they think it will be easier to plan a wedding after the child is born? Clearly Palin's life is spinning out of control, is this really a good time for her to run for VP? Parhaps someone like McCain thinks so, but I think the more realistic scenario is that McCain just didn't know.

Posted by: captbilly | September 1, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

ANONYMOUS SAID: "It became acceptable when it happened to a Republican. Republicans denounce it everywhere else, but now that its one of them its a beautiful thing. Hypocrites."

Who said it was no acceptable???
You tools kill me

Posted by: j | September 1, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

hay everybody,
Can we please admit that there are elements of hypocrisy in both parties. Obviously the right and the left are so against each other I really think that both are having trouble prioritizing what truly is best for the united States. I think everyone should be weighing there voting decision with the lesser of the two evils approach

Posted by: ron | September 1, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama is making statements about how we shouldn't talk about her family. If he really didn't want people talking about it he could start by not talking about it. No seriously, I'm sure he doesn't want to get into family issues and talk about his siblings. Oh wait, now I'm talking about it.

Posted by: XLiberalJack | September 1, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Richard Winger ..you have got to be kidding me. Spin on. You lefties kill me. So bought and paid for.... it is funny ...she is more experienced than OBAMA yet you are so bought YOU cannot even admit.. very friggin hilarious

Posted by: J | September 1, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

If McCain knew this before he chose Palin, then he made a poor decision, as did Palin's daughter.

Posted by: CG | September 1, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

@ dave - if you would have directed your words to both sides - I would have been with you. So I have to say you are no different.
For the matter at hand - while it is an incident that no parent wants to see - it is a reality that has to be dealt with.
Cynicism as the camouflaged Obama opponent uses, to suggest abortion is not helping, neither is tearing this private issue into politics and the public. While I think that Palin is not a good choice for VP - in this issue she and her family deserve to be left alone. It is no ones business.

Posted by: kjpweb | September 1, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

bad deal

Posted by: nellie | September 1, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

It's not that white middle-class girls don't get pregnant, it's that their families usually find a way to help support them and their child and make sure they and their children get an education and don't become a burden on society. I have to question the judgment of a woman who gets pregnant at 44, when there's a high risk of birth defects and can't seem to inform her own children about the birds and the bees and thinks abstinence education actually works.

The only thing I have to say is I still would rather have her and McVain than a couple hacks like Joe Biden, the plagiarist and Barack Obama, the lawyer who allegedly gave up a Wall Street job to go become a political apparatchnik for the Chicago Democratic Machine and who hobnobs with terrorists and bigots.

Posted by: Brian | September 1, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

How long would the truth not have come out if left to the McCain people to provide the truth to the American people?

Teens getting pregnant happens all the time, but not in the framing of a person running for the position of vp, who holds the position that children should be abstinent.

Sad yes, but we don't need more lamebrain Republicans getting away with abuse of power and office, stretching the truth to fit their needs and so on, and so on, simply more of the Same from John McSame.

Posted by: Message in a bottle | September 1, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

I think in choosing Sarah Palin John McCain showed us just how selfish he is. There are at least 6 qualified and experienced Republican women (Kay Bailey Hutchison, Olympia Snow, Susan Collins, Elizabeth Dole to name a couple) who would make women proud. Instead the "adults" in this drama, McCain and the Palins, thought nothing about how difficult, embarrassing, not to mention humiliating for the child, Bristol, to have her life an open book for political gain. That she chose to keep the child is not our decision to make or criticize, but she should not be a poster child for her mother or McCain's political ambition.To put her in the spotlight as they knew this reality eventually would, is an unforgivable thing to do to a child.

Posted by: Chuck | September 1, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

very insightful column!
sometimes common sense
seems to get lost,
generalities
do little to draw
us together,
in that one,
defining,
thing,
we are all human,
and we need to drop our
hatred,
and embrace that common thread.
Thanks Mr. King

Posted by: ted | September 1, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Please explain to me how someone who has been a mayor and a governor of a state with fewer than a million people is more qualified than someone who has been in the senate dealing with global issues every day. Obama has been out of the country, Palin got her first passport 17 months ago.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Maybe if you weren't such a racist on every single issue, you would get less angry mail.

Posted by: rmorrow | September 1, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

The fact is, regardless of what you will hear over the next few days, Bristol's pregnancy is not a legitimate political issue. Sarah Palin is a longterm member of a group called Feminists for Life, which is not opposed to birth control. So you probably can't tag her for consigning young people to unwanted pregnancies.


http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837862,00.html

She walks the walk and talks the talk - which must be absolutely infuriating to you lefties whose 'beliefs' twist in the wind based on what's is most politically expedient.

Posted by: George Williams | September 1, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

The selection of Palin is obviously only to try to capture Hillary supporters. Ha! Palin is the polar opposite of Clinton. I am sure that this will cause Hillary supporters to run (not walk) to the Obama camp. As they should.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure that I'll get negative response from "my opinion" but for crying out loud.. Would you people just stop and listen to yourselves... Some of you talk about the black/white issue - some talk about being pregnant and working til the 8th month is such a bad thing- she should focus on her children not politics... Do you even read what you've typed before you hit the submit button?? I'm a 43 year old woman that raised 2 beautiful children for the last few years on my own. I worked long hours, had no government assistance and both of my children graduated high school. One is now serving our Country & the other is in college. Just because I am a woman.. no one told me that I couldn't run a business or that I had to stay home. Some of you talk like Palin has no business trying to have a carreer or the fact that being a mother will somehow disrupt from her VP duties should she be elected. How many of you are married?? That your WIFE works and handles most of the family affairs. Women have worked hard to establish ourselves in the "corporate world" and most of us didn't miss a meeting and still were able to attend school functions. How is it any different than "the man"?
Name a politician in our history that was PERFECT... Let's see NONE! It also is comical how soon we forget about Mr. Clinton's TOTAL DISREPECT to the Presidency by having his "friend" provide him a service right in the oval office- then LIED about it, but all was forgiven.. Why is there such a double standard? Women juggle half a dozen things a day, and still manage to succeed... so why all the fuss about her possibly being the next VP.
This election needs to be about OUR COUNTRY we as a nation have so many issues that need resolved, we should focus our concerns about that.. but we'll all vote for the one that seems to have the fewest empty promises.. Instead of focusing the ads on how bad the other candidate is.. Why not focus the ads on what YOU will do to fix the issues we are facing?

Posted by: Kimberly | September 1, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

YOU AMERICANS ALL SUCK ,RATE SOMEONE BECAUSE SHE HAS KIDS

Posted by: AMERICA THE JOKE | September 1, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

JB - YOU know Obama has less EXECUTIVE experience than the GOPs VP candidate. You do spin well...gotta hand it to you.

Please tell me about all those VOTES Obama missed.....OH I KNOW you forgot.

You lefties are truly insane...and WE ALL KNOW . Palen is scaring the living crap out of ya as one of Hillary's top supports just switched his support to MCCAIN and FERRARO is considering it WATCH OUT.

Posted by: J | September 1, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

sam,

Unfortunate that you had to resort to that. Typical when someone has nothing intelligent to say, they resort with "suck a d.." Are you in high school?

Posted by: wow | September 1, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin has many views that are not shared by other American Women. However, her story is not unfamilar to us. This latest challenge of a pregnant daughter is something that all women should consider thoughtfully.

It is time to stop the woman bashing by the media, the Democrats, the Republicans, the men and the women. It is time for all women to unite for the purpose of getting the respect and the equal opportunity they all deserve.

I am voting for a candidate who did more than pay lip service to equal opportunity - he actually is living equal opportunity. That weighs more than rhetoric.

McCain/Palin 08

Posted by: Women for McCain | September 1, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

with a little organizing, the kid can use the flexibility, which university allows her, to spend time on the grand child. When she (daughter palin) will be 30, the kid will be 13, and she can go full steam ahead for her career. No need to interrupt a career to raise a kid!

Hopefully this will encourage palin to lobby to make special kind of education schemes available for other teenage kids.

For Palin, it is her business of course. If you can handle a presidency, this is a walk over.

Posted by: bud | September 1, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

If the number of citizens establishes experience, we might as well hang a chinese flag over the whitehouse. Deversity of constituants is more important then number of constituants.

And I will not dignify your question about the number of blacks in alaska. I don't divide people by color or race. Look it up if you want to know.

Posted by: Independent Alaskan | September 1, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Palin does not believe in birth control but maybe if she did her 17 daughter would not be pregnant. It use to be you get married first then you have kids. Just because the boy say he is going to marry you does not mean it's going to happen and if it does being that she is only 17 the odds are against her that the marriage will work. If it was my child I would be furious because I would want more for her, I would want her to futher her education and not be tied down to a baby at 17.

Posted by: Tonya Tipton | September 1, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

A woman who does not support abortion after rape has never been raped. But 1 in 4 women in this country is. How dare she pass judgment?

Posted by: anonymous | September 1, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Wow

u must assume a certain level of intelligence to get the point of birth control of any kind...having or not having sex or contraceptives....so if u assume a median of intelligence leaves one using one of the aforementioned methods 50% of the time....you have a whole lot of pregnant teens that someone pays for. And proof is in the pudding....with GWs abstinence only funding.....teen pregs are up in the last 8 years.

Posted by: brian m | September 1, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

RE: I am sure that this will cause Hillary supporters to run (not walk) to the Obama camp. As they should.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 7:16 PM
=====
Read and weep my previous post. Damn some of you are truly in denial.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

I AM SURE SARAH PALIN AND JOHN McCAIN AT THIS MOMENT ARE WORRIED ABOUT THOSE POOR HURICANE VICTIMS. THEY HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO WORRY ABOUT!!!!

Posted by: Bobster | September 1, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

The issue here is one of looking at problems and finding the better solutions. Teen-age pregnancy will continue at unnaceptable numbers as long as people put their head in the ground and say abstanance is the only answer. While it is one answer, it is not the only answer. To take a holier-than-though attitude, in the big picture, results in preganacies such as Bristol's. I wonder if Ms. Palin felt comfortable talking with her Mom about birth control or even that she was having sex. Dogma closes two-way avenues of communication. While the Palins demonstrate unconditional love for their daughter and soon-to-be grandchild, is this the life they hoped for Bristol and or had they been more open to other ideas, would the results have been different?

Posted by: larry | September 1, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Palin's right wing views of not permitting a woman the right to manage her own pregnancy decisions are identical to McCain's: no right to choose, no sex education, and no birth control. It is unbelievable these people would talking about freedom, when they don't believe in an individual's right to control their own reproduction.

It has been shown that women who are able to delay child bearing until they are financially, socially, and emotionally ready for a family, that these women contribute more to a society and its well being by dint of their education applied to community efforts, and that they have less children, who are wanted. It is also shown that this is better not just for the individuals involved, who participate in a loving family of wanted children, but for society as a whole, which benefits from better educated, and more fulfilled women who partcipate.

We all know the statistics on children who have children-- and how unrewarding it is from every point of view: the child/parent who has nothing to give and is still growing herself, raising a child on charity as children often have no source of income themselves, not able to give the care or resources an average middle class child deserves-- and repeating the pattern of teen pregenancy in a cycle of poverty and want.

Shame on McCain and Palin for daring to tell women-- complete strangers-- how, when and if to have children.

Posted by: Summer Deigh | September 1, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

oops, kids=mothers

with a little organizing, the kid can use the flexibility, which university allows her, to spend time on the grand child. When she (daughter palin) will be 30, the kid will be 13, and she can go full steam ahead for her career. No need to interrupt a career to raise a kid!

Hopefully this will encourage palin to lobby to make special kind of education schemes available for other teenage mothers.

For Palin, it is her business of course. If you can handle a presidency, this is a walk over.

Posted by: bud | September 1, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

What a sad day it is when people forget that to error is human. Another old saying "Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones," and "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
We have a go-getter who is a running mate for the president. If elected, she will acquire the necessary credentials to eventually run for presidency. Until then, remember, she is a running mate for vice presidency, not the presidency. Why condemn her?

Posted by: just another ordinary citizen | September 1, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama has been to the middle east and taken positions on critical issues.

Palen got her first passport 17 months ago. First passport. Never left the country. 44 years old. Potential VP stepping into the fire of terrorist threats. If she became VP this country would be a sitting duck.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

I could bet a million dollars that if this was a man running for V.P. with a teenage pregnant daughter it wouldn't be as big of an issue. I have read so many comments about Palin being a mother and how her family needs her. HELLO she had a husband!!! People act as though she is a single mother.She has help with her down syndrome son, her husband. If this were a man there would be no worries about any of these issues. I don't support her as V.P. because I think she is just a sacrificial lamb to woo Clinton supporters but I think it is unfair and unjust to rake her over the coals because of the choices her teenage daughter made.

Posted by: T.Miles | September 1, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Okay, sad enough that the daughter got pregnant. But now the Palins are endorsing the marriage of their high school aged daughter? Isn't ONE mistake enough? What does this say about the Palins' judgement? What does choosing Palin say about McCain's judgement?

This is a big clue, folks. We're a pretty slow country, but let's GET IT this time around!!!

Posted by: Sudsy | September 1, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know who the father of Bristol's new baby is? I haven't heard a word about him except that he is going to marry Bristol. Is this something he wants to do, or is it something the family is making him do?
A second question... Does Bristol know who the father is? With how many guys did she not abstain?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

How long before the spotlight falls on the fact that less than 8 months after Sarah Palin and her husband eloped, they gave birth to their first child?

http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/09/like-mother-like-daughter.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | September 1, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Rob Greene:
You have 5 children to look after,three children in crisis (a-teenage pregnancy, b-serving time in iraq, c-a child with downs syndrome) you won't be interupted ONCE by any of them during an important meeting?

Regarding her son - deploying in the military is not the same as 'doing time' (in prison?). He volunteered to join the Army, and has received training and the equipment necessary to perform his tasks. While deployment is difficult on a soldier and his family, it's not a 'crisis'.


Posted by: Smoke_Jaguar4 | September 1, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

SWMissouri

I think you are 100% on target - she is a sacrafice - the idea is for her to draw fire (as much as can be generated) so that McCain can stand back and say "It is simply because she is a woman - he did the same thing to H R Clinton - join me former Clinton suporters and together we can over come the male dominering ideals of this 1950'ish America" - The problem is - the American people are not that easy to fool - many of us see that he has brought someone on board who has no experience and no real back ground for the position he has moved her towards. Can any of you honestly see putting Palin behind McCain - who himself is far older than one would safely say will be of solid, good health through out an elected presidency (god help us) - and Palin as his #2 back up - in the wings with no background and no legal knowledge base to work from? Folks - she was a sportscaster - who used name recognition to get a seat at the table.

Posted by: Random Thoughts | September 1, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

I cannot believe that you and your people would stoop so low as to attack innocent bystanders. Osama Obama's OWN father was a drunken derelict that impregnated women hither and you and his mother was a hippie and all you can come up with is attacking someone who is not even a part of the actual candidacy? I mean really, can't your people just stand up on their own record, state their policy, state the actions they will undertake as President and get on with the elections instead of SLAMMING everyone that opposes their run for election? JUst tell Barry Osama to do his own work, be compensated for his own decisions and run his campaign as cleanly as he can? You are a slug and should not be featured as a journalist when in fact you are an attack artist and are put up to this by some sleazy campaign manager that got fired from Billary's failed bid to run for PRESIDENTA?

Posted by: Totally offended | September 1, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't blame Sarah Palin for her daughter's pregnancy. Presumably she knew where babies come from, and the risks she was taking. The reason I am disgusted is Palin's decision to sacrifice her children for her own ambition.

A) Down's syndrome children have suppressed immune systems, but here she is, out on the campaign trail with a 4 month old baby.

B) Her daughter is being humiliated on the national stage.

C) She disclosed her son's military plans, including where he was going and the day that he was leaving. That is dangerous and stupid.

This woman did NOT think about what she was doing, nor did the Republicans.

Sarah Palin not only has no foreign policy or legislative experience, she has truly poor judgment.

Posted by: Ann, mi | September 1, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

If you think pro-choice women who supported Hillary will vote for McCain you are truly an idiot.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

God inspired the writing of the Bible. It is the inerrant word of God. Not one place can I find that it says anything about abortion being a sin. Remember now, this is coming from an all knowing God. Surely he would really have an interest in the abortin issue. He certainly has an interest in infidelity and divorce--something about "What God has joined, Let no man put asunder."

Secondly, evidently the current belief is that life begins at conception. If so, two things--isn't abortion then murder and shouldn't the proper punishment be paid. Not only murder, but first degree murder since the intention to abort has to be planned in advance.

Finally, if life begins at conception, if abortion occurs, doesn't that baby go directly to heaven?? If so, isn't that the choice that most of us would want. To be in the presence of the Lord instantly upon conception. No suffering, no struggles to make a living, no concerns about whether we will forever suffer in hell fire and brimstone.

So, maybe abortion is a major sin and crime for that person who commits it, but so much better for their unborn child. Why would any prospective parent want to take the chance that their child that they love beyond words could suffer for eternity in the event they did not find salvation?

Posted by: rer | September 1, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

So, Bristol Palin "will" marry the father of her "love child". Well, I wonder if the Social Conservatives have given any thought to the possibility that the father will not want to marry Bristol. Of course, since Bristol is not due to give birth until after the election, this really doesn't matter to a lying bunch of hypocritical right-wing nut jobs. The G.O.P. spin machine is running on high right now pumping out lie after lie for consumption by the American people. There are so many lies that are flooding the Internet from Republicans that I'll bet people around the world are laughing their heads off at us, and wondering if we will buy this pile of G.O.P. feces. I won't. But, I don't know how many of my fellow citizens I can count on to do the same thing. The Founding Fathers concept of an "educated electorate" flew out the window long ago in this country. Obama/Biden 08!!!

Posted by: caliguy55 | September 1, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

As I always said: "It is about moral character, family value, experience and good judgment".

Sarah Palin is the best VP that fit with this criteria. She has a good moral character, really experience, has a good judgment and for most of all is the mother of five that against abortion"

I agree with Barack about putting the family off this election.

We The Republican are very proud that Bristol will carry her pregancy and marry her sweetheart. It is the best model for all the American Family that carry Christian Value.

God bless you Bristol.

God bless you too Sarah.

Republican love you.

You are a good model citizen.

Good job.

Posted by: John McCain | September 1, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

"in educated, professional families, people don't depend on Grandma to help out with child care"

Educated? She's 17 years old and has missed most of her senior year of high school with a questionable 5-8 month (depending on your source) bout of mono! Please explain to us how she is supposed to care for her child without ANY help from Gov Mom?

Posted by: Humor Me | September 1, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

1. I've been reading all about how Palin having children is going to hamper her ability to be VP.

Thats sexism. No one said that about Kennedy and his young children. No one is saying it about Obama's children. Bush wasn't crucified for his daughters partying days in college. Its just an ugly tactic used to gain points in the polls.

All the yipping I hear from the left about her being a woman was never uttered about Hillary... Political opportunism.

2. Her daughter becoming president doesn't indict failure as a parent. How many of you followed everything your parents ever taught? How many of you made mistakes? How many of you ever had an unplanned pregnancy? How many of you kept the child, realizing later in life how much of a blessing that child was in your own life? How many of you wish you had the support of your parents through hard times?

3. Anyone pulling the race card in here, in my opinion, is showing their own true colors as someone who looks at color first and character second.

4. I see this as moot politically. Cheney's daughter is a lesbian, but he was still against gay marraige, and it didn't sink the Bush/Cheney ticket. Bill Clinton stained some dresses, but it didn't hurt Hillary's campaign. Obama's brother lives in abject poverty in Africa, but that will never stick. This story will fizzle, and I think any media source that tries to run with it will find it backfiring hard on them.

5. Abstinence is a far-out periphery issue for this election. For all you hoping that this is the torpedo that sinks the McCain campaign, I think you'll be disappointed...

Posted by: Kyle | September 1, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Well said.

Posted by: Lilly | September 1, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

This smells like a coverup to me. Sarah Palin was definitely NOT pregnant in the photographs taken of her supposedly at 7 months preggers.

Posted by: Sam | September 1, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Ya gotta love the "Chant of the Libbies"

Let me get this straight-- The fact that Palin's duaghter is pregnant casts a HUGE question mark over her mother's fitness to serve as Veep? Okay, got it. Check.

However, the same conclusion cannot be drawn when the married President of the United States has sex (that's adultery) with an intern who works in the White House (that's using your power and position to take advantage of a subordinate), and then lies to the American people (that's being a liar), and then lies to a Grand Jury (that's perjury). And remember the hue and cry from the libs? "This is a personal issue between the President and his family..." Got it. Check.

The REAL lesson we all should have absorbed back in '98 is that to the libs, the ends always justify the means-- so long as you are a Democrat.

Much to Senator Obama's credit, he has placed this topic off-limits. I'm not going to vote for him, but I take my hat off to "Barry's" judgement in this scenario-- it shows some class.

The liberals need to REALLY be careful how they handle this situation...if they aren't careful, many of them will be exposed for what they really are: corooked party hacks obsessed with taking whatever steps are needed to "cook" elections.

Why don't the Dems try this two step process to winning:

1. Get decent ideas that don't punish working Americans
2. Offer a plan that involves something other than massive government give away programs

Maybe you'll be able to compete on a more level palying field (it will never be level, since the mainstream media is COMPLETELY liberal, and reports every story that way under the gise of being "objective").

K.

Posted by: KV | September 1, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

I disagree that the Palin's are well suited to tell us about the teen pregnancy issue. The time to tell is not when you are in the middle of it...I think Mr. King knows that. This is another salvo in a continual attempt to smear the presumpive VP nominee. Mr. King has no sympathy for the Palins nor their daughter. I can think of other candidates who are perfectly suited to tell stories about straying off of the straight and narrow with unsavory freindships and questionable mortgage loans. But Mr. King doesn't really want to hear those stories. Instead, he stoops low to hurl political dirt while standing behind pregnanat teens for cover. Sad and cheap.

Posted by: Bill Smith | September 1, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

White middle class girls do something that poor minorities and poor whites don't do because they don't get the support. Plain and simple, THEY CHEAT! They often cheat life itself with abortions and thats OK because no one knows but the girl and whomever else she decides on telling!

But lets not make Sarah Palin and her daughter heroes. The fact is, is that she had unprotected sex (risking STDs that could kill her, let alone pregnancy) and let a man impregnate her. And she wasn't raped or an incest victim. This is a man who is probably having a shotgun wedding with this girl for political convenience. Just because her daughter is beautiful and white, and the governors daughter, she's not really that much different than poorer Americans who are also horny teenage girls.

Governor Palin's extreme platform of abstinence only education clearly doesn't work. Hell, it doesn't work in her own FAMILY! The first family of Alaska!

Still, it should not be a subject of discussion for Obama/Biden. It will be discussed enough for them by people throughout the country.

This may be the anchor that sinks or the lifeboat the floats the Republican campaign for President in 2008.

Posted by: Rod | September 1, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Teenage pregnancy is the number one job for any parent to be on top of. And it's offensive for Republicans to tell us Americans that this Jerry Springer reject family the Palins is just like us. It's not. The rest of us are decent parents with decent kids leading decent lives.

It is a FUNDAMENTAL failure in parenting if your teenage daughter gets pregnant. FUNDAMENTAL. That's the measure of a father... and a mother. It's rule #1.

What is even more disappointing about Sarah Palin is that she's as of now blaming her daughter for it, saying her daughter will have to grow up fast... and taking absolutely no responsibility on herself. She makes no mention of taking any responsibility whatsoever in her public statements, and she won't either until we demand it of her like I'm doing.

That's not being a good parent. Not even close.

Furthermore, it's offensive to the majority of healthy families out there with good kids and good parents who keep their teenagers from getting pregnant... for Republicans to now claim that the Palins are as American as apple pie.

It's not normal for teenagers to get pregnant. It's not acceptable, and in no way should Republicans get away with saying that the family of their nominee is anywhere near as good as ours when we see the reality before our own eyes.

It's offensive to equate Sarah Palin's failure with the majority of decent families that raise good kids with good heads on their shoulders.

But we shouldn't forget either... like mother like daughter. Sarah Palin eloped with her high school boyfriend after college and 8 months later had her first kid. Her parents weren't invited. They had to get two residents from a retirement home down the street (strangers I might add) to be witnesses for their civil union. That's not honorable. That's trying to hide a pregnancy by eloping.

Evidently she couldn't face up to her premarital pregnancy and panicked. And now her own daughter has made the same mistake wrt family planning.

Are the Palin family's rightwing religious views responsible? They certainly didn't help... but only led to shame and irresponsibility... and an attempt to cover up both pregnancies. That's the real American story, if there is one. The shame Evangelicals impose on their kids... the shame that leads to ignorance and mistakes wrt sexual education.

Shameful.

A shameful failure for the Palins as parents.

And it's offensive for Republicans grasping at straws to now tell us that the rest of us are just like this Jerry Springer family.

Well, I've got news for Republicans.

American families aren't Jerry Springer rejects, and if they keep telling us we are, we're going to tell them to stuff it in November.

Sarah Palin, take some responsibility for your failure as a mother. Your response was pathetic and offensive.

Posted by: Jen | September 1, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

RE- HUMOR ME...how about GOVERNOR DAD?

If Palin were male , or at least a DEM male...you would never have made such a post. You are sexist and i am betting a hypocrite.

Posted by: J | September 1, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

So if Sarah Palin's daughter were raped she'd still want her to have the baby, end of story? Puleez

Posted by: Get real | September 1, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I see one thing in all the responses here...Personal Prejudice is alive and well, and permeating the greater percentage of Americans.

Posted by: Michael | September 1, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting how Evangelicals are always ready to point their finger at someone else, yet, here you have a prime example of not living properly. Yes, it is her daughter who is pregnant, and not married. People are also wondering about the origins of the young boy who may also be the daughters child.

Apparently their daughter does not confide in her parents and feels distanced from them, independently making her decisions some of which have not been too wise. This does bring the daughter attention though, which may be what she needed from her parents all along., but did not receive.

Now, the religious ones minimize it for themselves, but if it had been anyone else it would be a big event. They always put a minimalist spin on things that do not go their way. I haven't read yet that the daughter has repented for her sins. Maybe they don't consider it a sin anymore so long as it is done within a family that belongs to an acceptable church.

What hyprocisy! It's just like what you see with these so-called ministers and their indiscretions.
Give them 30 days counseling and they are "born again".

Posted by: sanity | September 1, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Let's put reality into BS - read on:


I get so tired of people saying that Obama has no accomplishments:

EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE: President of the Harvard Law Review, running his masterful campaign - think of his campaign as his "start-up" - almost $400 in revenue from 2 million donors, hiring people who are discipled and work as a team, not for individual glory. He has not had to fire people and shake up his campaign like McCain has. Good grief - as a relative unknown, he toppled the premier democratic machine of the Clintons. If his campaign was a start-up business, he'd be a very successful businessman.

>but it isn't. And he's not. And he did not run it. Axelrod did. BO is a puppet; nothing more.


Just google "Obama" and "legislative accomplishments" - see what you find. He has reached across the aisle many times:

Lugar-ObamaLugar-Obama Bill to Keep Weapons Out of Terrorists' Hands:

He's an appeaser. This is smoke.

http://obama.senate.gov/press/060523-lugar-obama_bil/

Coburn-Obama Bill to create Internet database of Federal Spending (www.usaspending.gov):

>He's one of the most outrageous pork-barrel spending officials ever. Check into his dealing with Refko.

http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=LatestNews.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=8dcb8c35-802a-23ad-4d37-9c8ea9c43460

Other:
1)In the US Senate, Barack Obama has served on the
FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE,
HOMELAND SECURITY COMMITTEE,
VETERANS AFFAIRS COMMITTEE,
HEALTH, EDUCATION, LABOUR & PENSION COMMITTEE.

2)Before getting to the US Senate Obama served more than 7 years in the Illinois State Senate(A Big state).

And did nothing except ensure that babies could be born live and left to die in a closest.

3)Barack Obama is a graduate TOP of his class at Harvard Law School and earned Doctor of Law degree.

An elitist, yes.

4)Barack Obama has a degree in Political science specializing in International Relations from Columbia University.

I have two degrees in computer science requiring 4+ years of advanced math. Wanna go?

5) Editor-in-Chief of Harvard Law Review - Only the brightest student with highest intellect from Harvard gets to serve this position.
-Editor-in-Chief of Harvard Law Review with a circulation of 8,000 is an executive experience more prestigious than a mayor from a small city of 5k.

Only the most liberal; not the most smart.

6)Barack Obama worked as a Civil Rights lawyer for 9 years.

That's an indictment, not a plus.

7)Barack Obama was a University of Chicago Constitutional Law Professor for 12 years.

So what?

8)In the State Senate Obama has written 890 pieces of legislation, and co-sponsored 1096 pieces of legislation.

Prove it.

9)Barack Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for a community organizing institute.

How anonymous can that statement be made? Don't waste my time.


10)Barack Obama worked in Chicago, Illinois as the director of the Developing Communities Project.
-Community Organizing projects have staffs and annual budgets and have to be managed and run. So, for those who quite falsely say that Barack has never "run" anything, it should be known that, when he joined the Developing Communities Project, it had a staff membership of one person and an annual budget of $70,000, but when he left it three years later, it had 13 staff members and an annual budget of $400,000. Republicans like to talk about making businesses successful, the measure of success being that they produce, amass capital, and increase the wealth of the owners and stockholders and so on. But Barack turned a public service organization that prepared people for education, jobs and serviced their struggling neighborhoods into a solid success.

11)Obama has been campaigning for the same if not even more time than Palin has been Governor .. & Obama's staff nation-wide .. is immensely larger than the population of Alaska

-Finally Obama's intellectual talent is at the level of Abraham Lincoln/JFK if not more. This type of leader comes once in a life time.

He has shown nothing close to what you claim. In fact, the evidence is that he hangs out with racists and terrorists.

Not my president. Not ever. No way.

Posted by: TrueAmerican | September 1, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

JB -- You compiled an exceptional list the Barak Obama's accomplishments. I just have one question for you... does he wear blue and red underware with a big "S" on it?

Seriously, all of the candidates (and almost all of the people in the public eye) have some fault looming in their background; and yet, we must not concentrate on the shortcomings of all of these people.

On election day, Just vote for the person who you believe is the best candidate. Its just that easy.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

An airhead with five idiot children has no chance to get my vote.

Posted by: Disgusted | September 1, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone hear think it is possible for an adult American to sit down and consider really where he or she stands. Or are we so opinionated that our own political agenda like that of our leaders will outweigh what we really think is best for our country. Dems will use the pregnancy issue fro leverage despite what they really think. Reps will use the inexperience issue as leverage despite what they really think.We want change right. Last time I had significant change in my life, was when i was able to recognize what I was doing wrong and strive to be better.this will not happen amongst our political leaders on either side. They will just continue to point out the flaws of others.So despite who is elected, I am in concerned that there will still be no change. We must change from the ground up. not from the top down. As a christian , I am truly embarrassed by Christians who want to judge. Please read and understand what Jesus meant by his grace. If we would just apply this one concept the nation would be a much better place. As for now, we are a house divided. You know what they say about that.

Posted by: ron | September 1, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

I agree sir... a story she should tell... in alaska where she belongs thousands of miles from the white house

Posted by: TRUE | September 1, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Statistics of teen pregnancy: overall, teen pregnancy is down substantially from 10 years ago. While it is true that African-Americans have a higher percentage of teen pregnancies than do whites, like white, Latino, and Asian populations, their rate has fallen steadily over the past 10 years. However, that rate has recently begun to rise again for all groups.

What seems to cause changes in the teen pregnancy rate is not race, family structure, religion or even types of sex education programs available. What makes the difference is economic outlook. When the economy is good, teen pregnancy rates decrease, when the economy is bad, they increase.

In economic terms this can be explained by the theory of opportunity cost. If a young girl can imagine her future as containing something bright, useful and economically satisfying,then she will ensure that pregnancy will not interfere with her future, either through abstinence or birth control. If she cannot, then she will become indifferent to the outcome. This will hold across racial, economic, social, and geographical variances.

So, all of the emotional, off-the-cuff theories I've seen here are just that, made up and unfounded. Teen pregnancy rates are largely an economically driven phenomena. Other factors may also be coefficients but not primary ones. If there are less teen pregnancies in more secure economic households it is because those household offer more economic choice to young women, not because they teach birth control.

However, Sarah Palin has allowed her teenage daughter to be exposed to international media attention at a very vulnerable time in her life. I find this level of ambition and lack of regard for the feelings of her child to be a bad indicator of her character.

Of course I would not have voted for her in any case since I am a liberal, a feminist and a Democrat. But I do find that lately, John McCain, whom I once admired, has become a real, creepy, clueless, panderer to a public opinion that he does not, in any way understand.

Posted by: diamondanda | September 1, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Levi, Bristol's boyfriend, is known to the family. She has been pregnant for 5 months. How can you figure that this is a big suprise to the father? I'm sure this has been discussed in detail long before McCain picked Sarah.

Posted by: Independent Alaskan | September 1, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Down's Syndrome is the presence of an extra chromosome and is usually found in the children of mother's who are over 30 when they give birth, not likely in a 16 year old mother. The likelihood of Down syndrome continues to increase as a woman ages, so that by age 42, the chance is 1 in 60 that a pregnant woman will have a baby with Down syndrome, and by age 49, the chance is 1 in 12. Check out the whole story of the cause of Down's syndrome here: http://pediatrics.about.com/od/birthdefects/f/down_syn_causes.htm

Posted by: Fact, not fiction | September 1, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I also do not agree that Governor Palin is being supportive of her daughter, or the rest of her family for that matter. Being a mother of 5 children is a full time job. Being a mother of 5 children, one an infant with Down Syndrome and one a pregnant teenager, who is still legally a child, is more than a full time job. Being Vice President and even possibly the President of the United States is an extremely full time job. Something's gotta give, and as a mother, when my kids are in trouble, I know who and what is going to get priority...my KIDS!! We need a vice president, (and a possible president) who is in a situation to give his or her full attention to the job. McCain has shown very poor judgement in choosing Mrs. Palin. He has too many health concerns to submit our country to the risk of having a half-brained president. We've already had 8 years of that and we don't need any more.

Posted by: lori | September 1, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

"I keep wondering why the young parents to be are not married now. As I understand it, the candidate's daughter is several months into her pregnancy. What on earth are they waiting for!"
---
The announcement made today was not because of her daughter being pregnant. It is a response to what is being written on many blogs.
Many blogs are speculating the 4 month old son is Bristol's... and not Sarah's. They do have some compelling evidence to make make people (including myself) wonder. Bristol missed school for around 5 to 8 months for mono? Based on Sarah's announcement today, Bristol must have become pregnant while she was on her "mono" leave from school. Too sick to go to high school... but not too sick to get herself pregnant? Who is sick from mono for 8 months? How about Sarah's speech and her 3,000 mile journey after her water broke?? Nobody knew Sarah was pregnant until her 7th month?? Interesting indeed. We will probably hear more about this issue.

Posted by: Jim | September 1, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Afraid Obama going to lose so you make Palin look bad...?

Posted by: ... | September 1, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Re: Jen's POST

Hey AMERICA. yeh you the ones with children who became pregnant...YOU are FAILURES.... JEN SAYS SO

Posted by: J | September 1, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting how Evangelicals are always ready to point their finger at someone else, yet, here you have a prime example of not living properly. Yes, it is her daughter who is pregnant, and not married. People are also wondering about the origins of the young boy who may also be the daughters child.

Apparently their daughter does not confide in her parents and feels distanced from them, independently making her decisions some of which have not been too wise. This does bring the daughter attention though, which may be what she needed from her parents all along., but did not receive.

Now, the religious ones minimize it for themselves, but if it had been anyone else it would be a big event. They always put a minimalist spin on things that do not go their way. I haven't read yet that the daughter has repented for her sins. Maybe they don't consider it a sin anymore so long as it is done within a family that belongs to an acceptable church.

What hyprocisy! It's just like what you see with these so-called ministers and their indiscretions.
Give them 30 days counseling and they are "born again".

Posted by: sanity | September 1, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Was it rape or incest?

Posted by: verd | September 1, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Buddy wrote:

"This just shows that we have to be honest and adopt science in the prevention of unwanted pregnancies. Abstinence alone, as preached by the republican party does not work. It is time to provide responsible comprehensive sex education to our youth."

This is a patently absurd and completely ignorant partisan statement. It is a SCIENTIFIC FACT that abstinence prevents unwanted pregnancies 100% of the time. I'm all for comprehensive education programs but abstinence has to be a significant part of any such program. It's the ONLY absolute solution.

Posted by: DJ in Denver | September 1, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Just do it.

Posted by: poop | September 1, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Why some of you are trying to tie Obama's mother to this Jerry Springer scandal. We are not in 70's, we are in 21st century where we teach every damn day about safe sex. They practice it even in adult movies for god's sake. Example, the law in Canada doesn't allow the sale of adult movies where viewers can't see use of condoms. Her daughter is under spot light and I am sure we are gonna get some party pictures pretty soon.

Posted by: Bobster | September 1, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

This election will prove an opportunity to see who we really are. Life is much too complicated to be good verses bad as we've been preached for the last 24 years or so.

Posted by: cwmaxson | September 1, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

to wow:

YES!!!! yes someone would be better off dead that with down syndrome. if it were just a variation like hair color, it wouldn't be a disease you MORON! do you want down syndrome? if we can trade the baby's down syndrome for your "normal" life are you willing? after all, it's better off than being dead if you never lived outside a uterus to begin with.

blobs of cells do NOT have the same rights as humans with personalities and REAL LIVES. you religious creeps need to get a new cause.

i would abort a down syndrome baby in a heart beat, yeah, that's right, a heart beat. you make so little sense. god saves everyone, but we need to bring a life into this world to suffer needlessly and die young, just so we can feel good about ourselves. nowhere else in the animal kingdom does this occur. and yes, we ARE ANIMALS. the improvement of the species occurs by survival of the FITTEST. most animals would kill their version of a down syndrome baby shortly after birth - as they would inherently sense that the offspring was not fit for survival and would most certainly fall prey to predators, as well as slow down the herd overall. as humans, we should do the human thing, park your ego at the door and let the child go, not suffer. it's all about gaining sympathy for the mother. it's the ultimate act of selfishness, other than maybe, teen pregnancy or crack babies...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Very true jim... its a tough one to get pregnant and have mono at the same time..
thats because this is a lie... cant wait for the next one

Posted by: erik | September 1, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Why are so many Libs ready to give the next VP advice when it comes to her personal life? Libs and Dems aren't the model to live one's life by. If Palin were shacked up with another woman adopting one international disadvantaged child after another...well, then she'd be considered "strong" and "progressive". You Dems and Libs are clearly hypocritical. Wasn't it Bill Clinton that was banging everything that moved and yet he was able to run the country just fine? You all were cool with that, why is having so many children a problem?

Posted by: Superpower | September 1, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

I live in the liberal nutcake capital of America-Portland Oregon. If you put republican stickers or prolife stickers on your car the chances are your sticker if not your car will be keyed. It blows my mind the hate spit out by the nazi hate mongering left. Remember the Latin word for left is: sinister. The Romans had it right about the left 2000 years ago - sinister.

Posted by: WW Terry | September 1, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Well put DeepBlue and Mex.

Posted by: Hmmm | September 1, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Why are so many Libs ready to give the next VP advice when it comes to her personal life? Libs and Dems aren't the model to live one's life by. If Palin were shacked up with another woman adopting one international disadvantaged child after another...well, then she'd be considered "strong" and "progressive". You Dems and Libs are clearly hypocritical. Wasn't it Bill Clinton that was banging everything that moved and yet he was able to run the country just fine? You all were cool with that, why is having so many children a problem?

Posted by: Superpower | September 1, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Well, generally reading the comments to any article posted by anyone is a depressing experience. I live overseas and have not been back to the US in nearly 10 years and find the level of hatred, intolerance, and prejudice from either extreme, "conservative" or "liberal" nearly unbelievable. One can only hope that the comments do not reflect a cross-section of the views of average Americans.

Posted by: Dan | September 1, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Are any of Palin's kids going to college? Evangelicals appreciate being prolife, but what about good morals and abstinence (or at least being smart enough to use birth control). Conservatives should appreciate a stay at home Mom who has time to know where her kids are instead of having thier only focus be that anyone who does not have an abortion is a "hero." This VP candidate is a disaster and Hillary voters are not so stupid as to support any person who just happens to be a woman. She makes all women look bad.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a joke with very little experience. So much so that now so many have to compare him to Palin. So much so that i have to laugh my arse off.

So many of you gave up on God and now have found your new religion. I remember when he first became a serious contender and his supporters were asked why they supported him and many could not come up with answer. I suspect its faith followed with a sudden discovery as to why.

Posted by: J | September 1, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Anyone without any sin should throw the first stone......is that you? I think not. Who is anyone to judge another person? It is not your privilege. God will do the judging on each one's Judgment Day. From alot of what I have been reading, there are not too many that will actually have to worry about that because they will not be heading to heaven.

Posted by: Nancy | September 1, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

To Smoke_Jaguar4

First, go into a war zone and get your and your comrades asses shot at, THEN tell me that you are not in crisis.
Maybe the guy (or gal) in the quartermaster corp at Ft. Bragg or Quantico isn't in crisis, but every soldier in a war zone certainly is, whether well equipped or not.

Posted by: VietVet | September 1, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm really starting to like the Republicans..
Being dishonest straight to my face is like grapefruit juice.. very tart but good for you in the long run...

Posted by: erik | September 1, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a competent woman who knows what a nanny is.

Can you remember that another person who chose borh family and politics without a spouse (Palin has one) and seemed to do just fine.
The Dem VP candidate Biden.

That is why Biden won't touch the family person cannot suceed in politics stance.
Biden did just fine juggling his children, when his wife was killed.
Crisis is a silly word to use for this subject.

Posted by: dotty | September 1, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

It's a shame to turn the story of Bristol Palin into partisan fodder. I think the real issue to address is that even children who are taught abstinence and are given support by their family are liable to become involved in a preganancy. The biological imperative is so overriding at a certain age that we are demanding our kids to unreasonably remain absitinent without giving them the tools and resources in the case they fail.

Posted by: Dennis R. White | September 1, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I have never seen so many ignorant people on so many levels in my life!! I could care less what candidate this happened to, it's no one else's concern but theirs. It's private, leave it alone! I am not an Obama fan but I give the man credit for saying leave it alone! So many of you are so willing to follow the Pied Piper on everything else he says why don't you listen to him on this issue??

Then those of you who say she is a terrible parent because she teaches abstinence. What a bunch of crap! How many preganancies have occured from not having sex?? Someone said it fails 990 times out of 1000. I don't know what school you went to, but they sure didn't teach math. If you have a chance to have sex 1000 times and you say no 1000 times, you can get pregnant 990 times??

Those of you who say she is picking her career over her family are incredible. If this were a man it would never be an issue. Last I checked there are two parents in a family. Is it not Ok for the Father to be involved in the raising of the children. You make it sound like she will never see her kids again.

The bottom line is this. All you can do as a parent is teach your kids right from wrong. You can not be with them 24 hrs a day. All you can do is hope they take your advice and make decisions they won't regret. My mother had me when she was 17 yrs old and thank God she didn't choose the easy way out and terminate her pregnancy.

I'm sick of hearing how because her parents have money things will be OK. My Mother didn't have any money and she did an outstanding job raising me.

Why don't you people get a life and make sure your own house is clean before you try trashing and judging other people. I'm sure none of you have ever made a decision you wish you had done differently!!

Posted by: ridiculous | September 1, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Mr. King,

As a European who has lived in the U.S. for more than 30 years, I am appalled by the number of teenage pregnancies here in general, preventable in most cases if parents had provided sex education, including how to prevent pregnancies. That leads directly to the issue that occupies the minds of many Americans: Pro- or anti-abortion. Nonsense, we should instead talk about prevention!

Posted by: Erda Hillmann | September 1, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

rer,

your logic is twisted beyond belief.

1) The Bible does discuss abortion. Commandment 6: "Thou Shalt not Kill."

2) abortion is murder.

3) Kill a baby so he can be with the Lord? Should we not just kill everyone then?

Posted by: Wow | September 1, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Again if Palin were male this would be a list shorter than the compilation of Biden's exectutive experiences.

Lots of sexists here.

Posted by: J | September 1, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

If Mrs.Palin opts out, maybe Britney and Jamie Spears mother will sign on. Mrs.Palin is entitled to her views on abortion and sex education but when she is also a legislator, it is our right to question those views.

Posted by: kathy | September 1, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I have one thing to say. I know of Palin's accomplishments. I know she is Pro-life, but does not force her opinion on others.

All I can say is to watch the debates. There is one thing that is a common thread in Palin's career... "Don't underestimate Sarah Palin"

Okay, I'm done. Have fun assuming stuff.

Posted by: Independent Alaskan | September 1, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

The very first comment on this article implied that Sarah Palin hasn't stood up to the corporate elite and lobbyists. That is exactly wrong. She's popular here because she stood up to big oil, and the politicians they had corrupted. Another comment said that her daughter would be a welfare mother, but is there any reason to think that?
Sarah Palin's courage and convictions are what make her a good choice for McCain, and for the country.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

I do not believe in abortion or think teaching abstinance as a viable alternative. Information and an open honest relationship with the parents are important in helping children to attain the emotional maturity before having children of their own.
I believe that approx 1/3 of teens have a child by the age of 20. If that many young people get pregnant how many of them must be having sex 50% more? Thats amazing; if these kids had an open relationship with their parent where, We as parents could teach abstinance but also admit to our children that we know they are human and want them to be responsible and not get pregnant before they are ready to raise a child."Here is all the information on the types of birth control available for you." Maybe just maybe it would help with this issue.
Just be realistic please.

Posted by: been there done that | September 1, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

I am a gay Republican. What's the matter... Just adopt from China...
They have plenty of kids.

Posted by: Jenny | September 1, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Still waiting on John McCain to say and prove to us that he is not same as Bush. Until then, I got Obama's back.

Posted by: Whole World is Whacked | September 1, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I am betting most who post here do not know that the ORIGINAL HIPPOCRATIC oath forbade abortion.

I hope none of you become brain damaged as per so many posts here your life is not worth living.

Posted by: J | September 1, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

The Democrat Party has become the Lawyers' Party. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are lawyers. Bill Clinton and Michelle Obama are lawyers. John Edwards, the other former Democrat candidate for president, is a lawyer, and so is his wife, Elizabeth. Every Democrat nominee since 1984 went to law school (although Gore did not graduate). Every Democrat vice presidential nominee since 1976, except for Lloyd Bentsen, went to law school. Look at the Democrat Party in Congress: the Majority Leader in each house is a lawyer.

Posted by: A Lawyer's Wife | September 1, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

for those of you with tender feelings, sorry. when you decide you can lead, you stick your neck out and say "BRING IT ON!" is bristol off limits, no, nor should she be. sarah palin has thrown her hat into the ring and glare of the media spotlight and therefore declared that she is ready for the trials and tribulatins that follow for her and all of her associations. her decision put her family "in play".
palins stand on some issues also put her family in play. no one campaigns in isolation, your life is on display so that some voters will identify with you better, therefore your opponents can also find attack material to spin.
looks like more right wing poor judgement is going to hurt innocents again. if your feelings are delicate, close your eyes, from here it only gets uglier and smellier.

Posted by: THE curious black | September 1, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

To J,
The post I quoted mentioned "grandma," so I replied in kind. My mistake.

Please explain to us how she is supposed to care for her child without ANY help from Gov Mom and Oilman/Fisherman Dad?

I fail to see how my post makes me a sexist. Political children get away with a lot that most ordinary children cannot, regardless of which parent is in office (M or F) and on which "side" (D or R). My emphasis was on the position in question, not the gender.

Please explain how my statement is hypocritical.

Posted by: Humor Me | September 1, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

The foregoing discussion demonstrates several points clearly: (1) our democracy is doomed (too many people in this country can't connect the dots and they all get a vote!); (2) what we need is a benign dictatorship; and (3) its a real tragedy that both Bernie Mac and George Carlin are gone as either (or both!) would have been eminently qualified to fill the role.

Posted by: Diogenes | September 1, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Richard wrote:

"We live in a society that encourages teen pregnancies -- Doesn't matter if you're black / white... I am white, raised in VERY christian environment, I pledged that I would get married a Virgin, and sadly I didn't make it. This is when I was a teen back in the '80s; it was hard then, and it's even harder today. Thank you Hollywood / Nashville I lay the blame on you, Sex is what you sell . . ."

Ah, yet another professional victim. It's always someone else's fault, right? You didn't want to have sex, but Hollywood made you do it.

Yo: Richard. People and all other animals want to have sex. Always have, always will. You can "lay the blame" on nature. Or, if you think people should not have sex, and you think it is "sad" that you didn't "make it" then you should take responsibility for your own acts.

Stop imagining Hollywood made you do it.

Personally, I think you should read books, learn about the past and about other societies -- and other species for that matter -- and then stop obsessing and blaming yourself for doing what everyone has always done.

You do have serious responsibilities vis a vis sex: use contraceptives; don't spread AIDS and other STDs; and don't hurt people if you can help it. When pledge to remain a virgin until marriage, you ignore real sexual morality, and the real harm that can come from sex. You reduce the whole thing to a mechanical game of tag. Whether someone does or does not touch one body part or another hardly matters. A cad can break someone's heart without touching them physically.

Posted by: Jed Rothwell | September 1, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Palin's approval rating in ALASKA is nearly 80 percent which is higher than the President's and FAR higher than the DEM Congress

Posted by: J | September 1, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

It`s always a shame when people judge other people with little or no understanding of there individual situations. Even sadder when they make it out to be a matter of race. Sarah Palin seems to be someone we can all relate to in some way and maybe we can bring down some of the walls of seperation through her nomination that divide us all as americans. Thank you Mr King for such a thoughtful article.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

another sign of the times - so sad. I like Reba macintyres show and think it's funny . But doesn't it prove how normal it has become for high schoolers to be having children and getting married. People want to be cruel to the jamie lynn spears of the world and yet don't realize how common this is becoming across all ethnic and economic sectors. Is it the media, internet --i don't know but we have become too permissive with our youth and too their great detriment.

Posted by: dominick cedarhurst ny | September 1, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Dan

good comment.....I cannot believe we are arguing as to whether any of these candidates is good...they all suck! The parties demand such partisan behavior that we have people who are normally not religious and or very private about it sitting in front of a preacher telling them christ is my savior who died for my sins! Ha! What sins? None of us were on earth 2000 years ago and probably neither was christ!

Posted by: brian m | September 1, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

It's simply AMAZING how many liberals who never set foot in a church and never crack a Bible somehow feel qualified to comment on "evangelical" beliefs. Why does my religion scare you so? Maybe if you'd think for yourself, instead of basing your values on something besides the latest moveon.org pronouncement, you'd be a little more tolerant of others. Sarah Palin's daughter is pregnant. So what? Maybe she should have secretly (and legally) put the unborn infant to death to avoid the inconvenience of the negative publicity. That's the world Obama stands for. No thanks. I'd tell you all where to go, but I'm thinking you'll find it on your own.

Posted by: Tom Slick | September 1, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

I have three children-oldest is 12, second oldest is six, and youngest is a year old in october. My daughter was born to me when I was eighteen for three months. Do the math there, and you see I was 17 when I got pregnant. I didn't open my legs for everyone that came along(it only takes one time to get pregnant) and you can see from my children's ages that I am a responsible mother, spacing her kids so she can take best care of them. Never have I been on welfare, or any other federal/state program. We have our own health insurance, and have always relied on our own income to get them everything they need, and want. Oh, should I mention I am white? Come on here, people-this issue isn't a black and white issue-its the fact that teens NEED to be taught how to use contraception and it needs to be available to them-because we all know if they want to have sex, they will do it.
Just know, this is a human issue, not a racial issue. Don't say, don't do it to them-tell them don't, but if you do, here's how to prevent getting diseases and pregnant. Talk to them. Things happen. Babies happen. Even to teen girls, as Mrs. Palin has learned.

Posted by: celeste mother of three | September 1, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

The issue is not that Palin's daughter is pregnant at 17. The issue is that while Palin may believe in abstinance-only, she did not raise her daughter to believe in abstinence. Certainly, children can believe differently from their parents but she is only 17. There is a very strong whiff of hypocrisy here. All human beings have self control and the ability to make decisions. The kids made a decision to have sex out of wedlock. They (apparently) made the decision to not use birth control. And now they have to deal with the consequences of that decision, whether they are ready to or not.

I don't think there would be so much hubub about whether or not Palin should run for VP when she has young children if there didn't seem to be so many issues with her family. Of course a woman can have a successful career and raise a family. However, there is also a very big difference between being a high school administrator, for example, and being VP of the US. You need to compare apples to apples to be fair.

I, too, am rather put-off by some of the barbaric comments here and the name calling. The NYT commenters are much more civilized.

Posted by: NYer | September 1, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin will make an excellent first lady.

Posted by: Mike | September 1, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Humor me- you know if Palin was a MAN you would never had posted.

It is likely that you support women being able to have a career and a family. If that is the case..yes you are a hypocrite. IT appears i touched a nerve

Posted by: J | September 1, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

In cases of pregnant teenagers, some people just say go ahead and have the baby. Thats all well and good for an affluent, loving family. But what about a poor 13 year old, managing to scrape by with a doped up mom and drunken dad who are destitute. The poor kid has no chance at a life if she tries to keep the baby

Posted by: gpabud | September 1, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Obama and many of you who say this should be a private issue. Let's not lose sight of the fact that it was a private issue until a very selfish Sarah Palin threw her own pregnant 17 year old daughter under the bus to satisfy questions about herself.

For those keeping track of judgement and leadership points, well...

Posted by: Andrew | September 1, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Nice Tom. Well said.

Posted by: True American | September 1, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA is the new religion. The fools supported him before they knew him.

Posted by: J | September 1, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

http://www.votetheday.com/polls/sarah-palin-is-not-trigs-mother-132/

Posted by: votetheday.com | September 1, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Believe no feminist statistic. They are manufactured by women with an agenda and are not scientifically sound.

Posted by: Manly | September 1, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Being pro-choice means that I'm going to support the decisions of Sarah and Bristol Palin to carry their babies to term -- but I don't want Sarah Palin or those like her to tell me and my loved ones what we can and cannot do about our health.

But the underlying story should be that while the Republicans have proclaimed themselves the party of "family values", they have presided over the greatest set of anti-family measures in history.

Posted by: Cali | September 1, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

They fear Palin that is QUITE evident.

Posted by: J | September 1, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse


I applaud all who have chosen to offer their time in writing to this blog. I strongly feel that responsibility is paramount here... White or Black, Democrat or Republican, I feel that responsibility is sorely lacking in our country. If a particular group has many unmarried teen pregnancies, they need to take responsibility for it; to change it. If an abstinence-only sex education policy results in unmarried teen pregnancy, it is irresponsible. I do feel that we all share in that responsibility; the teen that gets pregnant, the boy who fathered the child, the parents that were nowhere to be found... Most of all, the person who actually committs the act, whether teen or adult needs to take primary responsibility.

It is ineffective to do otherwise! I’m not saying adults are without culpability. However, in many societies today, 12 and 13 year olds are the head of households. Children, teens and adults each need to take not their share, but full responsibility! I insist, however, that the one that commits the act must surely take it upon him or herself...

Isn’t it too late for a parent to take responsibility if a 10 year old on the way to school is killed while crossing the street? Children can and must take responsibility now, or I'm afraid that education levels, and the economy vis a vis other countries will never improve! The nation is in for some bad times if we hope that education will improve by trying to force all but the students themselves to take responsibility.

My point is that children need to be empowered, not chastised! Laws and programs that reflect the damage done to society should and need to be enacted so that young people feel it before they commit an act that causes great harm to themselves and others! Children, teens, society as a whole lacks discipline! I’m not saying corporal punishment is appropriate. In my opinion that would be another poorly conceived solution revealing a lack of willingness to assess the damage that a quick resort to violence naturally entails.

The consequence of inappropriate behavior needs to be recognized by the child or transgressor before it leads to pregnancy or crime. This kind of policy needs to be implemented in such a way that each student, each child, each individual develops the fiber to do what needs to be done, and avoids the kinds of mistakes that cause pain and tragedy, before it occurs. For a society to do otherwise is neglectful, irresponsible!

I am not of the opinion that we have too many rights. It’s that we have too little responsibility! Perhaps fewer laws, fewer lawsuits, greater willingness to take a chance to help others, a commitment to take care of our own as well as other parents children if need be… And penalties that fit the transgressions, for children as well as adults… What about restitution for those that are victims of crime? How about assessing students penalties if they distract or intimidate others in class?

We need to care more, take care more, and care for others more!
We need to love our children deeply, and show it perhaps much more often, but not baby them, or they will suffer for the rest of their lives! As a great psychology professor that I once had said: “Love is affection + discipline”.

Sincere thanks to you for reading this long comment…

Posted by: Irvington | September 1, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin isn't worthy of one American vote and if her selection by John McC is evidence of his decision making skills God help us all. Her ego being what it must be I doubt she will have the common decency to withdraw from the race ASAP. What comes from Alaska should stay in Alaska!

Posted by: Mare Q | September 1, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Why did Gov. Sarah Palin and her husband Todd lie to the Wasilla High School officials saying Bristol was out of school "due to mononucleosis?" If she lies to her own school district, won't she also speak lies to our country? Where is the Public Trust?

Posted by: Mom of 3 | September 1, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

1. I have never seen seen such sexist views on here. You all sound as if it is merely a mother's job to stay home and take care of the children. So if your a woman, you better make sure, you either don't have a family or your family is all grown up. Spare me the sexist rhetoric people. Dads have as much responsibility for the children and the home in the twenty-first century.

2. Do you think President Bush didn't have to deal with teenage daughters, or because he was a man he didn't have to? Or how about former President Clinton's teenage daughter Chelsea, do you think he had any less involvement in raising her than Senator Clinton, in the 8 years she was growing up in the White House?

3. How dare any of the media or any other person expose this young lady (Bristol) to this type of media scrutiny. Gov. Palin is running for VP, not her 17 year old daughter.

3. I personally think that the family issues show just how much she has in common with us everyday folks rather than those who come from the upper muckety mucks.

There is nothing in the Bristol pregnancy issue that affects how well a woman, and a mother, can do the job as a VP. If that's the way the cookie crumbles...then we should expect that Mrs. Obama should only stay home and raise their young children, do the cooking and cleaning, with no involvement by Sen. Obama?

You sexist pigs disgust me.

Posted by: Karen Tully | September 1, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Have any of you ever seen the movie "Jesus Camp"?

Posted by: Marty | September 1, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Yes, as Obama says, one should leave the kids alone, BUT, the fact of the matter is that the personal is political--as a so-called feminist even Gov. Palin should know that--and the McCain campaign itself has strategized the release of this information (which is really none of our business) in the most calculated and shrewd way, thereby politicizing it: Gov. Palin emphasizes that Bristol herself made the decision to bring the pregnancy to term. That is, that she made her own choice. Good for her. If McCain and Palin were in power, and had their way, she would not have had any choice at all.

Posted by: Glen Park | September 1, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Wrong!!! Its not a non-issue. Its a HUGE issue. The reason being is if elected, she would be the Vice President and if something did happen to McCain she would then be President. (Hey folks the average life span for a man in the United States is 74...McCain is 72)

There are possibly three Supreme Court justices coming up for replacement. I'm quite content to let Mrs Palin run her family as she sees fit, but I totally reject the idea that she would nominate judges that no doubt would follow her beliefs, which by todays events seem quite flawed. Thats why it is an issue, and don't blame the other party for making it one, shes the one that made it...abstinence...yea right!!!!!

Thats why I don't understand the "conservative" mantra. Its an oxmoron. There for less government, but they most certainly want the government to be able to tell you when you have to have a baby. And no, I'm not for abortion, but I'm even less interested in you, liberal government lovers, telling me what I'm going to do or not do.

BTW....when is this so called shotgun wedding taking place. Speak about being in a jam....lol.

Posted by: CRS | September 1, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

J, why wouldn't I have posted if it were a male? All I stated is that her parents will help raise the child. That's it.

A woman can do whatever she chooses to do. Career and/or family, I really don't care. Who am I to dictate anything on anyone else? My question to you is what did I say that indicates any of that?

Posted by: Humor Me | September 1, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of VP candidates ...why do DEMS support a racist on their ticket? Do your research on Mr. Biden.

Search Youtube "Joe biden racist gaffe to indian people "

Also look up his comment about "clean" Obama and his comment about Iowa's student testing succes in relation to their number of black students.

He is a racist and you don't care. Keep the faith Obamaites. On second thought get a real religion.

Posted by: J | September 1, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

No matter how you slice the pie or what side of the coin you are on. Bottom line is we have a candidate running for VP that has some serious issues. I am a mother of 3 young adults and just like any other mother our job is never done. I can’t imagine being a mother of five (one with Down Syndrome) that has to be more then a notion. But no matter what, there is nothing like having your first grandbaby… Any grandmother can tell you that. I have two and they are the love of my life, all my spare time is catering to them two. But then I'm not a candidate running for VP. Democrat or Republicans USA is in for another shake up……

Posted by: Vanessa | September 1, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

'Summer Deigh' opined: "It is unbelievable these people would talking about freedom, when they don't believe in an individual's right to control their own reproduction."

Everyone has a right to control their own reproduction. If you don't want to get pregnant, don't have sexual intercourse. Unlike, say, amoebas, our species reproduces through sexual intercourse. That is what sexual intercourse is for: propagating the species. Now, it also happens to be pleasurable, because that encourages us to do it, which helps our species propagate. In the evolutionary scheme of things, that's a good adaptation.

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 1, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

sorry to hear about palin's daughter having an unplanned pregnancy, but this is a common problem occuring to all people and has been for thousands of years. So it's a non-issue in the political race. The issue is Palin being under investigation, having zilch for a political background and McCain's choice of her as a vice president. The republican spin doctors claim it was a brilliant choice and one who's time has come. John McCain is no longer the "maverick" he claims be. He is an oppurtunistic, easily influenced "Bush to be" The republican party cannot be trusted by any self respecting, informed American. They are nothing more than a bunch of hypocrites whose sole agenda is to provide for themselves. They peddle fear and anxiety to the American people, promote their so called values every election time and throw them out the window once they get in office. Nothing more than a bunch of evasive, lying, self righteous creeps in suits.

Posted by: this is ridiculous | September 1, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Humor me..sure. Your games don't fly here.

Posted by: J | September 1, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Why should the Palin's private lives and behavior matter? Because Sarah Palin has run and is running for office not only on her abilities but to promote and legislate in the public sphere the adoption of her Christian, social conservative family values. This should not just concern us, it should frighten us.

One does not hear a pro-choice candidate argue that all women should terminate their inconvenient pregnancies. There are no Democrats who support an atheist litmus test for public office or a singular definition of "family." In our Republic such things must remain a matter of personal moral decision making.

Unlike Palin, I do not presume to thrust my personal family values onto others. I believe that if my values work at all, my own teenage children won't get pregnant in the first place---which they didn't. I also believe that if my values are worth adopting by others, then I must set a good example and draw the line at insisting that it's the only example.

It's wonderful that Sarah Palin loves and stands by her pregnant daughter, I'd stand by my daughter too, but she must bear in mind that having a child is their decision to make freely not mine or the state's.

Posted by: Sonia Kermaz | September 1, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

As Barak Obama says, Sarah Palin's daughter is off-limits, absolutely.

What isn't off limits are the related policy issues. Palin is on record as being a proponent of parental provision of sexual education, excluding schools from providing that curriculum. And if sex ed is to be taught in schools at all, she favors abstinence-only instruction as the sole type of contraception that schools should be permitted to provide as part of the sex-ed curriculum.

Christian conservative theory regarding abstinence-only contraception for teens, when put into practice, is all too predictable. The same theory that Palin likely put into practice with her own children is one that she would like to mandate for all of America. That is, without question, a policy stance that is ripe for discussion. Palin should fully expect to have to defend her position in the harsh light of its manifest failures.

Posted by: Buzz Fledderjohn | September 1, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

http://www.votetheday.com/polls/sarah-palin-is-not-trigs-mother-132/

Posted by: www.votetheday.com | September 1, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Wow

read the old testament.....Jewish law says that an unborn fetus is not a child and no mourning should take place unless the child reaches 13 days after birth and at 30 days it is human.

Just facts.....it's just a book written by old ignorant people

Posted by: brian m | September 1, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Maybe McShame had no intention of keeping Palin as a running mate. He can sacrifice her blame it on the Dems and then pull a switch for the good of the party!

Posted by: Cindy | September 1, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

DogBitez wrote:

"No one blames the daughter..."

Why wouldn't you? She's the one who made the bad decision. Blaming her and holding her responsible for her actions does not preclude empathy and unconditional love and support.

DogBitez also wrote:

"Palin takes a very hard line against sex education in schools. Her abstinence only approach obviously did not work within her own family and demonstrates what a disastrous concept it is on a national level."

So by this "logic" one would also have to conclude that one young woman (i.e. a SINGLE incidence) who is the product of a different program which promotes contraceptives over abstinence yet STILL gets pregnant ALSO "demonstrates what a disastrous concept it is on a national level".

Really "deep thought thinking" there, Dog.

Posted by: DJ in Denver | September 1, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that when your entire political career is based on something that your child violates then your parenting skills may be lacking. If you want to force it on us you may wish to take a peek around your own house. Like Dick Cheney, Sarah Palin will love her child but publicly assist in legislating against one of the very things that will define her for the rest of her life. She will do a better job of forcing behavior on us yet missing the pink elephant in her own living room.
Yeah, it's private. So is what I do in private but she is making a huge issue about being anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti- birth control. So I know everything she is against but don't see any proof that she is keeping track of these things in her own house. Too busy I guess hunting Moose and playing Hockey? Hopefully she'll keep her guns locked up so we don't hear about a shooting accident involving one of her kids. Are you for anything Sarah or just against all kinds of things that will help keep America divided.

Posted by: Myke Ondek | September 1, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

I think we should leave the Palins alone to make the best choices they can to deal with their problems as best they can. That is what we all have to do in this life. As I give them this measure of respect and empathy, however, I have to right to demand the same degree of respect for me and my family. That means Ms Palin does not have to right to decide for me that some choices--e.g. abortion--are not allowable; nor does she have the right to limit the education of my children--e.g. abstinence education. It is that simple.

Posted by: jlrichards3 | September 1, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

The whole pregnancy issue should be left as a private matter for the Palin family. But now that it is out, what can we learn from it? Perhaps that abstinence only sex education is an oximoron or simply does not work! After all, here is a young lady with probably all the advantages one could have. She's from a good, comfortable family. She is in the midst of parents who tell her that sex before marriage is a no-no. She is raised in a religious family. Her family is totally against abortion. She is the daughter of the state's governor and MUST HAVE KNOWN that news of this nature could only bring shame on the family. You would think that all of those things would have inoculated her from the thought of having sex and even less of becoming pregnant. Yet, here we are. A pregnant teenager. She will marry the father. Is that really good news? For those of us who are married, we know how difficult that institution can be. It has its challenges and both members of the couple need to be adults to resolve those challenges. But now, this poor teenager, about to become a mother will marry another teenager. Even with all the unconditional love heaped on them, will their new family survive? I hope so. But to answer my original question, namely: What can we learn from this?" I think the lesson is simple. Even a teenager with all the examples, lectures, abstinence only talks, etc... WILL MAKE this terrible mistake. How then do you think a poor girl from a much lower socio-economic level will fare? She doesn't have someone to tell her not to have premarital sex. She doesn't have a family's reputation to uphold. The baby's father will most likely not be around to "make an honest woman" out of her. She is, by definition, not in a comfortable financial situation, meaning her life and that of the baby will probably be dismal. It is likely that she will seek an abortion, which is a tragedy. But there is one thing that could have avoided the terrible outcome: A proper sex education class. Not one that would encourage sex (we just saw that even with all the disencentive pregnancies occur), but one that would say, "Please, please do not have premarital sex, but since that will happen even in the very best of families, please use PROTECTION!". What is wrong with that message. We just saw that even without that message (Governor Palin and her husband seem to be totally against that message), under the most favorable conditions, some teenagers can and will have sex! Why not then afford them the means to protect themselves against the potentially life altering consequences? Remember, telling teenagers to use protection IF they decide to have sex is NOT the reason they will have sex. I think that Miss Bristol Palin has illustrated the point that not mentioning protection and only having an abstinence-only sex education simply does not work! Perhaps all those people supporting the policy if abstinence-only sex education should think about their position in light of what has just transpired in full view of the American public in the family of an abstinence-only proponent.
Finally, I know that there are certain things I would NEVER have done if I knew that they would bring shame on my parents who have done so very much for me. I certainly would not have gotten myself pregnant or made another girl pregnant if I knew that it would heap shame on my parents. Yet, despite all of her privileged situation (daughter of an admitedly loving family, daughter of a highly visible female governor) Bristol has gotten herself in a situation that will affect her, her baby and boyfriend for the rest of their lives!
Protection would have avoided all of this. Let's learn from this lesson. This is probably the most visible situation to illustrate the fallacy of abstinence-only sex education and the need for proper sex education

Posted by: Henrick | September 1, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

It wasn't sarah "throwing her kid under the bus", it was all the speculation that Trig was Bristol's baby. People had decided that Bristol was pregnant, had a baby, and hiding that fact, BEFORE THE ANNOUNCEMENT.
She had to make the announcement to protect her daughter from slander.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

It was not necessary for Palin to disclose her daughter’s condition or personal business in order to quell the internet rumors about Trig - a birth certificate could have done that without violating her daughter’s privacy. Obviously, she is allowing her daughter to be used for political purposes, which is reprehensible

Posted by: Sue | September 1, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous,

As far as humans being animals in the dictionary definition of the word, you are right. However, there are major differences between humans and the rest of the animal kingdom. Humans are intellectually on a much higher level than all other organisms on Earth. We have the capacity for a much wider range of logic, intelligence, and emotion. Just because a human is weaker than normal, we do not kill it. Some animals also eat their weaker offspring. Are you suggesting that we, as animals should do the same? Where do you draw the line on weakness? What if a child was going to be born with achondroplasia (dwarfism)? Would you suggest abortion? Humans are different from animals!!!

There are many mentally and physically handicapped people who are alive today that appreciate fulfilling lives. As humans we have a responsibility to protect those that are weaker than ourselves. Again I have to restate your Hitleresque type of thinking here. During the Holocaust, Jews' lives were spared or destroyed because of strength or weakness. Was Hitler justified due to survival of the fittest? Remember, he executed the mentally and physically handicapped as well. You are so backward.

Maybe you should get to know someone who lives with a disability or handicap. Maybe you would change your mind.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Rob Greene: Is this mother not fit to be a CEO of a company or govenor of a State because she has five children and a few with special needs? Would you speak (write) with those feelings if it was a man running for Vice-President with the same children? Sounds sexist to me.

Posted by: Franklin | September 1, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

This so-called issue will be fodder for the filthy mainstream media. The rest of us, rational rural Americans, will be switching channels and watching commercials on the stations that are fair and balanced.

Posted by: rural america | September 1, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

So once again the press jumps on the sensational instead of going after a real story. Palin tried to use her influence to get her ex brother in-law fired and is trying to get the public safety commissioner fired for not firing him.
It IS NOT IMPORTANT that her daughter is pregnant that is NOT OUR BUSINESS. the other affair however is very much our business.
The press in this country is CRAP, and all they care about anymore is whatever story is going to get the biggest headlines. Shame on the press!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Dennis | September 1, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

I grew up with Sarah Palin and Sarah has always been about Sarah. Read her bio and read between the lines.
We (Alaskans) are in disbelief and don't know whether to laugh or cry. Laugh at the thought of getting rid of her before she does more damage to the state we love ... but ready to cry because we know the real Sarah Palin and the thought that she could seriously be our president is terrifying.
All Americans who love this country should be VERY concerned!!

Posted by: S&S1962 | September 1, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

I didn't see your earlier article, but I find it curious that anyone would "welcome" these parents into the "grandparents club" when pre-marital sex and abstinence-only programs have been so thoroughly woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of the Palins' Republican doctrine.

Is this revelation not farcically ironic, given Ms Palin's credentials?

People will be people, Mr King, no matter their parents' (or grandparents') political predispositions. Black, white, rich, poor, Democrat, Republican; it doesn't matter, you see?

Posted by: Emlyn | September 1, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

I think believing in Abstinence is great in older people who are not at their sexual peak. Young adults who god has given them desire to procreate life is hardly going to make abstinence work. Dream ON! Religious belief are great and should be thought of as belief from a time when life was much shorter. Reality is that babies cost a lot of money and time to raise and at 17 Bristol should have been having safe sex and planning her future. Now her future will be raising a baby at 17. It does not matter what family you come from stupidity from lack of sexual education costs us all.

Posted by: John S | September 1, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Palin is Pro-life and yet she had amnio which increases the chances of a miscarriage. She is a hypocrite. Lucky for her daughter that she is still a minor and is still on mom's health insurance. It's easy to make the pro-life choice when you have some cash to back it up.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

as is fact, billy graham would not support his daughter as a pastor. the conservative religious right openly avocate that women and mothers (expecially) need to stay home, not work and TAKE CARE of their families to prevent teenage unwed pregnancies.
i think the conservative religious right are truly overjoyed by palin's candidacy because she is an example of the problems that occur when MOTHERS of young children work outside the home.
i see the support of the conservative religious right as a sign that expediency is more important than faith and hypocracy is more powerful than principle to demagogues.

Posted by: THE curious black | September 1, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

'gpabud' wrote: "what about a poor 13 year old, managing to scrape by with a doped up mom and drunken dad who are destitute. The poor kid has no chance at a life if she tries to keep the baby"

And the baby definitely has no chance at a life if the poor kid tries to abort it. Murdering an unborn baby because it is unwanted or will be an economic burden to others is in principle no different from the 'useless eaters' excuse the Nazis used. Nice going.

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 1, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

For me, the only thing about the revelation of Sarah Palin's daughter is that so very often ultra conservatives like Gov. Palin seem to place themselves on higher moral ground than the rest of us. It's as if they and those closest to them are somehow vaccinated against moral transgressions by their superior conduct. This makes it very easy for them to tell us how to live. Of course this is so much baloney. I wonder how much teen hanky panky is going on while mom & dad are away at this week's GOP convention?

Posted by: don | September 1, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Please- get real. McCai never knew about this. This situation only says louder and clearer - VOTE FOR OBAMA!

Posted by: Beth Trier | September 1, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Francisco Cardenas wrote:

"Actually, this article points out how wrong Obama was to talk about this issue as if it only involved young black men taking responsibility for their children. See Obama .. it happens with white people too!!"

Of course it does. But the difference is that it's a genuine CRISIS within the Black community. One that ALL of us should care about and work to correct.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Is this an election debate or a soap opera? Come to think of it, how can one tell the difference?

Posted by: Diogenes | September 1, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

To jlrichards3:

Precisely! Access to education trumps ignorance. Let the parents decide. Parents that prefer their schools provide sex education should have that option. However, if a parent chooses to opt his/her child out of sex education, so be it. Schools should provide that option without penalty. The government should have NO say in the matter.

Posted by: Humor Me | September 1, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

so many balanced & thoughtful responses from liberal americans on this and other blogs (on this and other issues). an outside perspective (i'm australian) really casts the conservatives in a poor light on this one. but how many of you won't vote? the god-squad will be voting, the oil venture capitalists will be voting, you better believe the white-priders will be voting this year, and obama's gotta beat em all. wanna be represented? then represent. VOTE, YOU CHUMPS! if not for your selves, then for all of us who are forced to deal with the fallout from Nixon, Reagan, and Bush (plural) foreign policy! Please, don't elect another warmongering white geriatric.
stay on topic, ignore the GOP's family values sideshow and VOTE!

Posted by: bert | September 1, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

You have to be kidding! Consider the liberals who don't even bother to get married before they breed, or those who are "choice" and have flushed their family secrets down the toilet are calling this an issue. We have world full of real problems and the media is frothing with glee over this young woman who not only is keeping her child (none of our business) and has family support, (none of our business). She is not running for office anymore than those Obama kids.

If a pregnancy, that is none of your business, is all that important to you who are reporting this witch hunt, might you check your own families before you start casting stones. Maybe even your own birth certificates and parentage.

This young woman should have a private life and you all should be ashamed of yourself for dragging her into your trash talk. The children should be off limits.

Maybe we should start looking into every reporters family and their private life before they can write or show their face on TV or submit an article for print.

Linda - Oregon

Posted by: Linda - Oregon | September 1, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

There is absolutely more to the problem than that... although I would argue it is a different problem entirely. Some of the statements made by readers regarding the urban (read: non-white) unwed mother situation are not without base. You don't need a psychology class to hear mothers talk about how they hope a baby will enrich their lives without thinking enough about their responsibility to enrich the baby. The question of finding a good father and not having sex before that (at least unprotected) is also an issue, but not at play apparently in the Palin case, where the father will apparently be in the picture.

Perhaps that just means that shotgun weddings should be more common in communities other than the deep south. Unfortunately I think that comparing the Palin case- where a young girl was either too ignorant to know about birth control (thanks, mom) or something happened (they do break, after all)- is not all that useful.

Posted by: ep thorn | September 1, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Quote: I never completely understood why people would be upset by pre-marital sex or out-of-wedlock babies. Take a quick look at anyone's family history and do a little math on marraige dates and first borns. Did you ever wonder why we had so many child brides back then? There is no lack of morality...we're just human. Why can't we just keep people's private business out of politics?

Posted by: Jan Napack | September 1, 2008 5:54 PM

Unquote

Because Jan, politics does not stay out of our private lives, especially those of the Governors'. My main complaint is hypocrisy, do as I say, not as I do. The governor is rich, she can do as she pleases. The rest of us can spin in the wind.

Posted by: tracy | September 1, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

A few decades ago, when there was little talk of sex education, and premarital sexual abstinence was largely a given in most American communities, the number of births out of wedlock was a fraction of the current numbers. So, please do not tout sex education (or, rather, sex inundation) as the cure for teen pregnancy. There is everything right about teaching kids that sex is to be saved for their future spouse. Sex is not amoral.

Posted by: Common Sense | September 1, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

I feel sorry for Bristol. McCain should not have picked Palin. This confirms that Obama has better judgment.

Posted by: Trini | September 1, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, and I can say I am Sarah's friend too (i'm not, but you can't prove it.)

Anyway, Her Brother-in-law used a tazer on an 11 years old, drove his trooper car drunk, threatened to kill Palin senior, and to shoot anybody that got in his way. The inquiries where about why this guy was still a cop, it had nothing to do with the divorce.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

What story should Palin tell, the part where she is going to be a supportive grand-mother by forcing a shotgun wedding on her 17 year-old daughter in order to save face, or should she tell the story of how she failed to educate her daughter about sex, contraceptives and the reality our children face every day.

Posted by: bubba_brutus | September 1, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

if "Bill Clinton was the Champion of Promiscuity Peromotion." (sp?), which could be said to be true in both word and deed; is Sarah Palin to be the Apologist for Teen Mothers ?

NOT the example I wish to present to my daughters. SP can live as she wishes, McCain is a fool for picking her.

Posted by: Bill | September 1, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Brilliant idea by Sarah & Todd Palin to educate their children in a christian home-school setting rather than in a trashy public school setting where they might be exposed to sex and birth control ...
oh wait, oops, never mind.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

brian,

tell we where, specifically, in the bible it says that so I may look it up.

Posted by: wow | September 1, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

guffaw!!

let's not continue to lower our standards. this isn't about babies or race or sex. this is about the livelihood of our entire country. as a country we're interviewing her for a JOB, and she's not qualified. who cares how many children she has or how much time she spends with them -- she's not going to be our children's nanny! i want to know whether or not she can be a vice president. by the way, palin asked john mccain what exactly a vice president does. perhaps she should just be a nanny.

shame on lazy americans. read our history. where would we be without (democrat) Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal? do you really think america cared about how much time he spent with his family? no, people voted for him because of his experience and wisdom -- he was a senator for two years, an assistant secretary of the navy for seven years, a vice presidential candidate, a governor of NY for four years -- and this is all before he became president.

sarah palin should be embarrassed to run for vice president. i'm embarrassed for her.

Posted by: totally historic | September 1, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

First, we find out Sarah Palin and her husband opted to have a baby knowing full well the risks of having a Down Syndrome baby after age 35. Then they parade the child's disability around like a pity cry. I feel so sorry for that child having to be raised by ignorant, exploitive parents. Next, we find out that her under age daughter has been living in sin and is now pregnant. I suppose there will have to be a maternity wing added to the White House to accomodate all the Palin offspring, illegitimate and otherwise. This is the same woman whom recently asked "what does a vice president do?" This may be cutesy and funny to some, but her naivete scares the hell out of me. This woman will be president if John McCain's melanoma returns. No way, I say!

Posted by: Mark Bohannon | September 1, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Waaay too much drama here for any realistic chance of "help" to McCain.

As someone posted earlier, women are not lemmings. We're certainly not going to be swayed (most of us, anyway) by someone who shares our gender but NOT our ideals. Especially when her own life is obviously in so much turmoil. We don't need a soap opera for VP.

Some things work great "in principle": abstinence-only. Choices made from the gut. The likelihood of actual success: well, you can see how this one has turned out.

Posted by: KMedo | September 1, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I am left to wonder, if this is what the GOP has to offer, just how bad were the other choices - you mean an woman who has offered her family no sense of morals is a better choice than a preacher man?

what a joke ... and the bigger joke is that you will probably all choose her too - her and her screechy voice like nails on a chalkboard ...

Posted by: wondering | September 1, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

sms800 wrote:

"I am amazed at you Dems and your ignorance. Last time I checked, abstinence DOES work."

But teaching "abstinence only" as a substitute for comprehensive sex education clearly DOESN'T work, last time I checked.

YOU are the one politicizing this by pointing a finger at "Dems." Obama was quite forceful in saying children are out of bounds.

Apparently, you didn't listen to Obama's acceptance speech, when he said "Whether we are for or against the right to choose, we can agree we should do whatever we can to avoid unwanted pregancies." That certainly seems a lot more helpful than keeping kids in the dark about birth control, doesn't it?

Posted by: hmpierson | September 1, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Abstinance works only when it is practiced. Problem is it is unrealistic to expect that everyone will practice it. Shouldn't the goal be to reduce the number of teenage pregnancies by whatever means necessary?

Teenage pregnancy is a real problem and we shouldn't have a double standard for poor teens and rich teens, black teens and white. We should educate all of them to prevent teen pregnancy as much as possible and lend a helping hand when they fail.

Posted by: HopeoverFear | September 1, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

If contraceptive devices had been available at her school this might not have happened. Abstinence is a joke. Look at how denial of human nature has destroyed the Catholic Church. If you put the Klan and the Nation of Islam in the same hotel somebody will be pregnant by morning. Denial of the fundamental truths of human nature is really so 17th Century but then again so is most of religious dogma.

Beltway Greg

Posted by: Beltway Greg | September 1, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

maybe john mccain got confused and thought he was choosing *michael* palin; that would make sense, because what he's gotten from this nomination is absurd comedy!

(expect michael palin's absurd comedy is sooooo much more intelligent!)

Posted by: monty python | September 1, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

"If a pregnancy, that is none of your business, is all that important to you who are reporting this witch hunt, might you check your own families before you start casting stones. Maybe even your own birth certificates and parentage.

This young woman should have a private life and you all should be ashamed of yourself for dragging her into your trash talk. The children should be off limits."
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"We" are not all running for public office, much less Vice President. Nor are we running for such office talking about family values.

I understand that kids 'should' be off-limits. But what's a kid? Does a person who turns the arbitrary age of 18 suddenly become 'on-limits'? And what is it with republican kids, anyway? We have the lesbian Cheney, and now an unwed Palin daughter. Maybe Palin should have spent a few extra hours with her FIVE children instead of going to PTA meetings and becoming a gov, so she could teach them a few things about the birds and the bees.

Posted by: ep thorn | September 1, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin & her husband are going to be grandparents. Congratulate them. This baby has NOTHING to do with the campaign.
PERIOD - THE END.

Posted by: Karmen | September 1, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

You are an excellent writer and man Mr. King, I'm glad you are not tearing Palin apart because her daughter is pregnant but rather praise the whole family for supporting her through this time.

Posted by: Sam | September 1, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

A quick comment

I'm not necessarily saying that Ms. Palin should have stayed home, perhaps her husband could have done a better job... But in our society, children at best get second shrift due to absent parents, and we try to make up for it by babying them, bribing them with lenient treatment... By the way, I feel that whoever the homemaker is has the most important job in society!! I cannot say this strongly enough!
By the way, this is not about blaming anyone, especially the poor young lady and father who now have a marriage and child to take care of... Responsibility is not about blame, it's about prevention!
Children don't want our sympathies, they want our attention, our wisdom, love and effort-filled direction... Children, and all people are indescribably special and precious!
Let us treat each other better. The USA is one country. Our children will thank us for it, as will the child in each one of us...
-Sincerely-

Posted by: Irvington | September 1, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Today, Sarah and Todd Palin said they are blessed with five wonderful children who they love with all their heart and mean everything to them. Now their beautiful 17 year old unwed daughter Bristol came to them with news that she and her 20 something boyfriend ,Levi, (real name Chris Ray) are having a baby. The parents are so incredibly proud of Chris and Bristol's decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents. Bristol became pregnant when she was not attending school...she was out of school for five months with mono. Bristol is five months pregnant (due date is December 25, 2008). As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has the unconditional love and support of her parents Sarah (McCain's VP Running Mate) and Todd (a high school graduate with some college.) Todd is especially proud of local boy Chris Ray (aka Levi) for stepping up to the plate and accepting the responsibility for showing his love to his young 17 year old daughter Bristol.

Sarah said "Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media to respect our daughter and Levi's privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates." How wonderful it will be to have another White House wedding once McCain and Sarah are sworn in.

Sarah is no strange to difficult times. Her own water broke and she couragously risked the life of herself and unborn special needs child to fly 8+ hours from Texas to Alaska while eight months pregnant, then dry 50 miles to a remote hospital, avoiding those fancy government supported hospitals in Texas and Anchorage. Sarah understands that sometimes you need set an example to show that she is not more of the same when it comes to dealing with a crisis.

John McCain himself survived 5 years of torture as prisoner of war so now we can see why McCain calls Sarah his soul mate when it comes to courage and grit.

A lot of liberals think Sarah and Todd Palin should be focused on their family right now and not the ambitions of the White House. But Todd and Sarah have a son going off to Iraq to fight Al Qaeda on 9/11 , an infant with Down's Syndrome and a teenager who's pregnant. This shows how Sarah and Todd need the support of the entire nation. Wow what a great all american family. These are normal people who understand average Americans. These things happen to every American family.

The best part is that Bristol's child will be born on Christmas Day ..how beautiful is that?

Posted by: crabcake | September 1, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

'brian m' wrote: read the old testament.....Jewish law says that an unborn fetus is not a child and no mourning should take place unless the child reaches 13 days after birth and at 30 days it is human.

Hmm. No mourning should take place unless the child reaches 13 days after birth... try telling that to parents of stillborn babies in maternity wards everywhere. Plus points if you offer to kill babies <30 days old for parents who've changed their minds. Bonus prize if you use a microwave oven. At 30 days they're human? What were they before that? Amoebas? Chimps?

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 1, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse


McCain should have picked Condi, no fear of pregnancy there EVER!

Its okay, James Dobson will start a fund, now that he has told us he can pull the lever for McCain now that Palin is on the ticket.

Manage the country ...the GOP cannot even manage their privileged households.

I hope America gets real and votes the complete Democrat ticket in November.

Personally I am sick of being screwed by the GOP. This Joe wants a wealthy proud America, and we are never going to have that without a good economy and we are never going to have a good economy with the GOP and their self-serving ideology inspired hypocrisy.

Posted by: MW NJ | September 1, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I have sat here reading all the sexiest comments analyzing Palin's ability to serve as VP simply because she is the mother of 5 children and a soon-to-be grandmother. Some of those comments even appear to be from women. SHAME ON YOU!! Wouls we be having this discussion if she were a man. Is a man unfit to serve simply because is the father of 5, or because his daughter is pregnant?? Do we hold it against a man if he has a special needs child?? It is politcally correct to pay lip-service to gender equality. But when the chips are down, how many cave in to the knee-jerk reaction of the old double standard. Women STILL have to be twice as tough and twice as smart as their male counterparts to receive half the credit. Fortunately, I firmly believe SARAH PALIN IS JUST THAT. Her family is lucky tohave her, NAD SO ARE WE. GO SARAH!!!

Posted by: Cynthia Lee Reagle | September 1, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

One can only wonder whether the conservative Republicans' response would have been so unconditionally supportive had the 17 year old daughter been the Obama's.

Posted by: parsonsbench | September 1, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I love the way the "VP duties" is paraphrased. She wanted to know what would be expected of her. She would not take the job if she was expected to just sit around and look pretty.

I do have to compliment all of you parents that are posting here that have never had your child do something you told them not to do, and all you unmarried folks that have always obeyed your parents and never had sex. Good job to you!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Correct me if I'm wrong (possible) but it seems to me that "liberals" seem to have the more inclusive policy about sex and abortion. It boils down to, "we don't know every individual situation so we can't judge, so if we keep the options open, each individual can judge his/her own situation and choose what benefits them accordingly." Whereas the "conservatives'" position is more, "trust me, your life would be a lot better if you lived like me."

Please correct me as you see fit.

Posted by: Humor Me | September 1, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Okay, so the 17 year old daughter is off limits, but what about Sarah and Todd's shotgun elopement (elopement anniversary Aug. 29, 1988) and the birth 8 months later of oldest son, Track (DOB: April 20, 1989). While it is possible Sarah was horny and just had to get hitched that night and Track was conceived on his parent's elopement night. It's also possible he was conceived out of wedlock a month earlier!

The hypocrisy of it all!

Posted by: MagikJack | September 1, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I feel for Palin's daughter. She is lucky, that she has parents that are so understanding, as long as her daughter did not want an abortion. I wonder if Palin's daughter wanted an abortion if she would be disowned. I think maybe that would be true.

Often times the opposite is true, however. Often times there is no family support for a teenage pregnancy. Often times a teenager who gets pregnant is told to get rid of the child (abortion) or give it up for adoption.

I wish we lived in a perfect world, where everyone caught in this situation had a choice to decide for themselves. In a perfect world, parents would not disown their pregnant daughters for either keeping the child, or deciding that an abortion is their best option.

I would hate to live in a world where pregnant women did not have a choice. Keep politics and the state out of this personal choice. Often a pregnant teenager does not have the luxury of a loving and well connected family to provide for the child's future.

Posted by: ersf | September 1, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

*Brian....just say it loud...you are a skinhead. Be proud of who you are..c'mon.You bigot..

Posted by: dave | September 1, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

What I don't understand is why Sarah would reveal this in order to scotch the rumors about Trig being Bristol's rather than her baby. Wouldn't there have been a more direct way to prove this (e.g., a doctor?) Admitting that she acted as if Bristol's baby were hers is much less problematic than having to admit now that she involved herself in a series of lies.
(If Clinton can be elected after admitting (during the election) of cheating, then Sarah's deception---if there were any---about Trig shouldn't preclude her from the VP slot.

Posted by: Hatshepsut | September 1, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Imagine if the tables were turned, if Obama's daughter was older and pregnant. Fox News, the Drudge Report, and all the other usual suspects would be trumpeting this. In the long run, trying to make an issue out of something like this backfires. Dick Cheney had to put up with his week of news when the media got noisy about his lesbian daughter. In the long run it was not really that relevant; she was loyal to her father even if his official policies worked against her core interests. I don't really think this will change too many votes, the true believers will spin this in their brains until they somehow make it palatable or heroic, but they would still be vicious if it had been Biden's or Obama's family in trouble.
My father was not responsible for my errors in judgement and my mistakes, and I'm not responsible for his. We like each other even though we disagree on a lot of things and perhaps disapprove of the other's life style choices.
Sarah Palin is to be pitied for not having the intelligence and integrity to take herself out of the running, she made a big mistake by overestimating her abilities and underestimating the job she was being offered. She is not a good match, any more than some of Bush's supreme court suggestions were. She will get a deserved roasting and be lampooned. But her poor kid is probably already suffering for her lack of wisdom and self control, and I hope that everybody can just lay off and give the poor girl a break. Her mistake is not her mother's fault and we will have plenty to laugh at in the Palin saga without torturing her poor daughter in the process.
Dan Quayle was a miscalculation for bush 1 that didn't keep him from winning an election. We will have to see if Palin is more of a liability for McCain.

Posted by: Dick Tater | September 1, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Just wait , there is more to come about THAT woman from Alaska.

Posted by: Westexacan | September 1, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

if it would've been one of Obama's daughters..

we wouldn't even be hearing about this "BURDEN"..

eh?

Posted by: aw | September 1, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not qualified.
Biden and Hillary said so.

Obama is not ready to lead.
Biden and Hillary said so.

Obama has too many questionable associations.
Biden and Hillary said so.

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Posted by: 3RCC | September 1, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

By choosing to run for VP, Mrs. Palin made a tough situation for her daughter a lot tougher. Why put your pregnant 17 year old daughter in national spotlight by running for VP? Mrs. Palin should have declined. She puts herself ahead of her children.

Posted by: Mrs. T | September 1, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Victor, you're not one for sarcasm are you?

Posted by: Humor Me | September 1, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I had a similar situation occur with my 17 yr old (now 26 yr old daughter). Only her Mom was not supportive of her keeping the child and convinced her to abort, despite my protests. It was avery trying time for our family. I sometimes wonder what out 9 yr old grandchild would look like today. Who they would have been? What they could have done in their life?

Arbortion is the cruelest act, as the child has no say in the matter. I believe if there was mandatory education on the matter, before every abortion took place, many young women would have a change of heart. That is TRUE CHOICE! Educate, explain the options, then let them choose.

The abortionists of which I include Planned Parenthood of course would fight it all the way to the Supreme Court. Why because it takes money out of their pockets. That is the bottom line with these type of organizations. MONEY!

Posted by: Bill S | September 1, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

The questions being asked of Palin should be asked of Obama.

He is not qualified to be president but is qualified to be Biden's VP.

Posted by: DOUBLE STANDARD | September 1, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

So much for the effectiveness of preaching abstinence...

Posted by: ArchiesBoy | September 1, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I burst out laughing at this one..........A few decades ago, when there was little talk of sex education, and premarital sexual abstinence was largely a given in most American communities, the number of births out of wedlock was a fraction of the current numbers.....,.

Posted by: Common Sense


Common Sense, Back in the dark ages you speak about it was so shameful and those pregnant were spirited away to lock up in girls homes, mental institutions and church projects.Of course the males were never put through anything, and never even had to think about their spawn.

Women came a long way and are not "silenced" about reality.

YES

Women have enough power now to corrupt it.


Women can and will empower a woman through all the bias males still "want to believe" they can practice.
Women can vote a woman into the Whitehouse inspite of Dem bias against one with a better resume than all others.
Palin 2008
Clinton/Pelosi 2012

The more men speak like idiots, the closer their futures get to complete power loss in the USA.

Posted by: woman citizen | September 1, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

I wonder, is there any way to block the talking points crowd, one can find the exact posts can be found here as well as the LA Times and the NY Times.

I mean it is the same hateful thing over and over. For every thoughtful post on the left or right there is 10 posts from some of the most vile and thoughtless folks I have ever read.

When you have 20 - 100 posts with the same silly talking points that add nothing to the discussion, it becomes painfully obvious that it is an organized attempt to simply drive the election down to the lowest level.

I think you should demand Passwords, email addresses, IP addresses and be able to dump obvious "talking Points" posters and ban them from the discussion.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

If nothing else, Palin being on the ticket has flushed the libs out of the closet and we now know what the feminists and libs are really about, if we didn't already know. It's ugly.

But on the flip side it's great to read so many posts with balanced perspective and reliaze that the past 50 yrs of anti-Christ pop culture, inundation of sex, violence, depravity of all kinds and pharma solutions to all of life's problems has failed to sink the entire populace into the abyss.

Palin is a catalyst which makes people bare their souls. She is a real person with real problems and real solutions and real courage, just what the country needs.

Posted by: john | September 1, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Those who were so quick to make teen pregnancy a black problem have the gymnastic skills to skillfully and carefully explain to you how COMPLETELY DIFFERENT Bristol Palin's case is.
Remember how Rush Limbaughs 'explainers' told us about the difference between his drug addiction and "recreational drug abuse?" These people would have been right at home explaining the twists and turns of the party in the 1940s. The Communist Party.

Posted by: Nick | September 1, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I wonder....

I wonder how compassionate a conservative Gov Palin, her husband, and her evangelical supporters would be if Bristol wanted/decided to abort the child.

I wonder if that is a choice for her, or if this course of action is being imposed on her.

I wonder if the choice to add the immense burden of a VP candidacy knowing of this the burden it would add to Bristol's life, and to her candidacy to the the great burden Gov Palin already shoulders (admirably)was the prudent one according to the values - family values - evangelical Christians state as their primary standard of behavior.

I wonder if all those affected by such a decision by Gov Palin and the McCain candidacy - Bristol, her child's, the father, and his family - were considered in the political decision to offer and accept the candidacy.

I wonder what interpretation of the ability to make good decisions - the ability to make good judgments - we should draw from this choice to add all these burdens to all these lives, and the important election we're involved in.

I wonder if this is this decision indicates the level of judgment and decision making we should expect and evaluate by McCain - Palin and the Republican party.

I wonder if this kind of drama that distracts us from the vital issues we face within our America, and in relation toall the crises we face around the world.

Is this the soap opera we want to replace the reality of the world in real crisis?

I wonder ...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

The real problem here is political coherence: how can an evangelical anti abortion, pro capital punishment, pro abstinence for teens explain her daughter pregnancy? Lack of sexual education? Lack of condoms? A moment of weakness? In any case she (the mother) failed to infuse her own "principles" into her own daughter. Is this her famous leadership and ability to change politics and America?
PS: obviously I wish the best to the newly pregnant girl, but I wander if she and her mother will do the same to the thousands of pregnant girls out there.

Posted by: PIETRO | September 1, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Just shows Sarah P is another republican hypocrit.

If God knows all, sees all, etc, then God also knows which babies will be aborted and does not bother putting souls into those embryo's and fetuses. So, Abortions are not cruel.

Now Sarah P. is forcing her daughter to not only keep the baby (some other couple would be thrilled to adopt it, I'm sure), but to marry this boyfriend!?! Yeah, there is a marriage made in heaven.

I wish Sarah's daughter luck, looks like she'll need it.

Posted by: LMK from TacWA | September 1, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Ask a man what labor day means to him.

Ask a woman what labor day meant to her.


Seeing things both ways never hurt anyone.

Posted by: dotty | September 1, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

It is so pathetic to see the Republican sympathizers whining about any Democratic reaction to this. Imagine a Democratic VP candidate in exactly the same situation. Bill O'Reilly would be insisting that the candidate couldn't even control a daughter, much less the country. Sean Hannity would be talking about the candidate and calling her daughter the "baby mama." Rush Limbaugh would play the sounds of a baby crying every time he mentioned her name. The McCain campaign would have immediately put up a YouTube video ad called "New Grandma To Be" asking, "With all her family concerns, can she possibly lead the country?"

You all know that's true.

Republicans have never shied away from flinging every bit of mud they could get their hands on, right or wrong.

But Obama, because he is actually honorable and believes that politics should not be sleazy, has insisted that the matter is personal.

And he is right. There are other, far more important considerations.

Sarah Palin is not qualified to be president. She may be bright, personable, shrewd, down-to-earth and willing to buck the status quo. So are a lot of people who wouldn't, and shouldn't, be president if one elderly man died. Leading the most powerful (and possibly the most complex) country on Earth requires a broader perspective.

A few terms as mayor and a few years as governor in a place where she does not have to deal with deficits--remember, Bush leaves behind the highest United States deficit in history--are simply not enough. She hasn't been a legislator like Obama on the state and federal levels, seeing how things actually get done in Washington. She hasn't had to consider the needs of a large, varied population like that of the United States of America.

And then there are her political views, which are far more extreme than those of McCain and possibly even those of George W. Bush.

She is not convinced that pollution causes global warming.

Her fundamentalist extremism makes her say openly that she would not only prohibit abortion if possible, but also force science teachers to bring the faith-based concept of "intelligent design" into the classroom. I for one would like to know where she stands on stem cell research, contraception (including the use of the morning-after pill) and other aspects of health and science policy--whether she would place her religious beliefs ahead of potential cures for debilitating and deadly illnesses.

The United States is not a moose hunt. Nor is it a country with a state-enforced religion. McCain's much-praised judgment failed him when he decided that Sarah Palin was ready to be president.

Posted by: Truthspeaker | September 1, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

I agree, this is a private matter, exactly like the privacy that should be given to those who would get an abortion because they do NOT have supportive parents or partners. The government needs to get out of our family lives on reproductive choices, martial choices, and end of life choices. Its all the same, NOBODY has the right to tell you what to decide in those matters, especially the government. I truly hope the young Ms. Palin is left alone, she has her right to privacy; however I hope everyone holds the elder Mrs Palin’s feet to the fire on this as she has been a very outspoken critic on these “moral” issues. Oh, and BTW senator Obama’s mom was 17 when she got pregnant.

Posted by: FreeTradeIsNotFree | September 1, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I just think this is not a good image for my young daughter to see at the highest level. It is amazing that the right is fine with it. The right is becoming more liberal...I guess that is a good thing.

Posted by: mfra | September 1, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I see many of us here pointing Sarah Palin as not very thoughtful or selfish to run for the VP when her teen daughter is pregnant and her last kid has the down syndrom. I don't understand why they are such a big issue here. First, she isn't a single parent. Doesn't at least one parent have to work in most families in any circumstances? And Bristol seems big enough now and soon to be an adult.
Funny thing to me is that only those who bring this up as an issue want to make it an issue.
Besides, I am sure this country can afford to provide her a good support if she ever goes into the office.
I remember when John Edwards was in the primary and his wife was found to have a cancer, no one seriously asked him to drop the campaign and focus on the family. Was it becasue Edwards was a male?
Come on, the real focus should be whether Sarah can do the job here.

Posted by: YC | September 1, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Why did she disclose this?
Palin is for open and honest government, even the Alaska Checkbook is on-line.

She will not lie or cover-up this, no matter how the truth hurts.

Bristol is 5 months pregnant. I'm sure this was discussed within the family. If I were Bristol, I would insist my mother run for VP.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I think Sarah Palin is the best vp pick And she has my support.

Posted by: mark | September 1, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Independent Alaskan:

Nobody undreestimates Palin, she underestimates Obama and so are you!!!
We know she is trying to be tough on the short paths and small governments, but she hasn't been inside the belt.
It's not our underestimating that is pulling rug under republican feet, it's Palin and not telling the truth to their own supporters.

Posted by: Bobster | September 1, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

All sorts of random thoughts spring to mind with this news.

Last name and age of the father are being withheld for privacy reasons. Does wonders for the conspiracy minded. The ostensibly young man can only remain first-name anonymous until the wedding - the wedding license will be a matter of public record. Will the wedding be before or after the first Tuesday in November?

While one pregnancy, no matter how high-profile, cannot be considered more than an anecdote it certainly does raise questions about the effectiveness of an "abstinence only" sex education philosophy. Depending on how things go in November: "But MOM!, it was OK for the Vice President's daughter to have sex why can't I?!?"

Posted by: rick jones | September 1, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Just in: Obama's 8 year old daughter cheated on her math quiz !!!!!

Why are we investigating candidates minor children.

The media refused to report on Edward's adultery for over 10 months. Bill Clinton's affairs were ignored for years.

Why are women candidates treated with such a double standard

Posted by: Chris | September 1, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Bristol Palin, at the age of 17, is very lucky to have the love and support of her parents following her sexual tryst and its forthcoming consequences. It is unfortunate that not all parents react so positively to such news delivered by a teen-age daughter. More unfortunate still is the GOP's failure to recognize that fact.

Demanding that a teen-ager curb or ignore their hormones in the name of strength of character or religious values is like demanding that they hold back the ocean with a broom. It's impossible, and any attempt at such a demand must be considered foolhardy at best and dangerous at worst.

If Sarah Palin, John McCain and the rest of the nation's Republicans choose to take the moral high-ground, and believe that their demands of abstinence will be obeyed by their own teens -- then by all means, enjoy the comfy facade you have all created (until reality comes home to roost anyway).

But please, be so kind as to stop demanding that the rest of us living in the real world follow suit -- because your stance on this one issue is what lost you my vote. There is one area into which I will never allow government intrusion -- and that is into my body. Stop telling me what to eat or drink, how to die, and what distressing and uncomfortable biological functions I must endure despite the technology to stop them (ie: birth control). Perhaps a reference in the dictionary for the definition of the word "freedom" will set you straight.

Posted by: tamanzi | September 1, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

There is big a difference in teen pregnancy of a girl of a well-to do governor family of and another very normal unknown middle class family (minorities, not only blacks but people from Latin America as well): money and health care support, impoverishment.
It is not time to discuss this now, but to know that there is difference. Very big difference. It is not family differences, value differences, but means, wherewithal.

Posted by: Leah | September 1, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Mr. King. You suffer delusion spawned by denial -- denial of the evil of the Sarah Palin's of our land and denial of the realities of the life of Black America, the former of which is this comment's topic.

Teen pregnancy is not scandalous, because teen sex is not. But very scandalous is the Republican insistence that abstinence is the only right means of avoiding pregnancy and sexually-transmitted disease.

Teen hormones demand — even force, irresistibly — teens' engaging in sexual activity. Nature does. It's natural, not bad, or embarrassing or stupid.

Abstinence cannot work because abstinence is impossible. The Republicans' abstinence-campaign is evil, because it pretends to counsel safety by pressing absurd impossibility while discouraging use of condoms and, so, is responsible for many, many unwanted pregnancies and instances of sex-transmitted disease.

Sarah Palin has stood for abstinence and against teen sex had with condoms. So, she is responsible for her daughter's pregnancy -- which, surely, her daughter, like her, did not want but which she, Palin, is foisting on her daughter because she, Palin, opposes even the earliest abortions, not for reason of empathy felt for fetuses, but for reason of political advantage and insane religion.

Palin is a past beauty queen and a twit aligned with the worst anti-environment interests and the worst of Big Money, Big Oil, and the Military Industrial Complex. Already, increasingly day-by-day, her disgusting corruption's effects are spewing into the press.

McCain picked Palin just to try to lure angry Hillary-supporting women away from Obama. Because of that fact, and his utter disregard of Palin's inclinations (even inclinations greatly opposed to his own stated ones), we must apprehend that McCain is utterly untrustworthy and corrupt.


Posted by: Loup-bouc | September 1, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Really, if this was Obama would you people on the right be so open. Hell no. This was a under age girl having sex. Not a good thing.

Posted by: mfra | September 1, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

'Humor Me' wrote: 'Victor, you're not one for sarcasm are you?'

Depends. I can't always detect it, and I don't put tags around my posts. But in response to your post re: "liberals" seem to have the more inclusive policy about sex and abortion. It boils down to, "we don't know every individual situation so we can't judge, so if we keep the options open, each individual can judge his/her own situation and choose what benefits them accordingly."

That looks suspiciously like moral relativism to me. It's the type of reasoning the Nazis used to justify their heinous crimes. The current dogma of Western liberalism is that human freedom is maximized by multiplying choices ad infinitum. Not necessarily so. Read 'The Paradox of Choice' by Barry Schwarz or listen to his talk at www.ted.com.

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 1, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Fine, Palin is pro-life. Where has she tried making that a law, or even mentioning that it should be law? All she has done was state her opinion on the subject, honestly. I guess she could have hid her true feelings, that makes a good leader, right?

Show me something that says she plans on trying to outlaw women's choice?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Looks to me like Sarah P. should have stayed home to raise her kids. Either that, or dad should have. Either way, her kids look like they have suffered from her lack of parenting and supervision... where was Sarah P. when her daughter was getting pregnant? Now Sarah P. wants to be VP and possibly Prez? She and her husband can't even raise her own kids right... she's gonna run the country? No thanks.

Posted by: LMK from TacWA | September 1, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Just an interesting tidbit that is rather off topic except to how it relates to the attacks against Obama: Palin was a supporter of Ron Paul when he was in the race.

Posted by: hopeoverfear | September 1, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

'tamanzi' declared: 'Demanding that a teen-ager curb or ignore their hormones in the name of strength of character or religious values is like demanding that they hold back the ocean with a broom. It's impossible, and any attempt at such a demand must be considered foolhardy at best and dangerous at worst.'

Oh, so teenagers are utterly bereft of self-control. Why, then, are they even allowed to drive lethal weapons of mass carnage (cars)?

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 1, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is both a hypocrite and exploiter of her family. How many decent women would exploit and expose their family during a crisis. Perhaps if Sarah Palin had dedicated more attention to her daughter’s needs, Bristol may not have exposed herself to STD’s and pregnancy. Sarah Palin is an unfit MOTHER not fit for the VP spot; she’s incompetent, lacks intellectual depth and can be summed up as a zero. The cultural conservatives should be aghast by John McCain’s selection of Palin and his ineptitude to select a viable candidate for VP. John McCain is insane!

Posted by: McCain's Failure | September 1, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

The republican party is a group of idiots. You are intellectualy dishonest.

This is not a good thing, they made bad decisions. So let say so to prevent others from making the same mistakes. Do not glorify this. Do not sweep this under the rug. teenage pregnacy is bad i do not care if you are black, white yellow (it is bad). The hell with this being a common problem and this makes her normal. Bulls..T, they have felled as parents.

wheres your family values now.

Posted by: mfra | September 1, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Elias | September 1, 2008 6:22 PM
Being president is not the streets of Chicago....

REPLY: Being VP of 300MILION people is not being governor for 20 moths of state with 670,000 people. Obama had more people in one Chicago neighborhood than whole Alaska.

Posted by: ChicagoSpeakLoud | September 1, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

You can say what you want,but what I say is where are the parents of this 17 year old as she is out having sex with her boy friend....or a few guys....
And nothing is off the table this year for the republicans,nothing as far as I am concerned.
If they blow there nose wrong,I say attack em,perhaps they got the snot on there shirt,heck it could make em look better,after what they have done to this and other countries.

Posted by: Lance Newell | September 1, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

you are correct mfra

Posted by: The Man | September 1, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

On a different note, there was an interesting story in the Sun-Sentinel today. A father was harassing his son about sex so he rented a motel room for the kid and paid for a prostitute. The mother turned the father in to the cops. People have different views on sex education. It didn't mention the political leanings of the father.

Posted by: Ransome | September 1, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

An anonymous coward wrote: 'Show me something that says she plans on trying to outlaw women's choice?"

Women's choice to do exactly what? Kill their unborn children? If that's perfectly okay, why is a young woman in Ohio being tried for microwaving her one-month old baby? Just because the baby met the 'Old Testament Jewish law' 30-day criteria for being 'human'?

What, exactly, does 'choice' lead to in this case? Simple. Death.

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 1, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

he was probably a rep. the way they are pushing this bull

Posted by: mfra | September 1, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I can't beleive there are people who are trying to make this scandal look all nice, like nothing happened, like it's all good, like she is running for school principal. For god's sake, she failed with her daughter totaly, probably with the rest of the kids also. I have some family friends that are in same position, and I can't blame kids, because parents haven't been there to teach them something smarter. Think what is she gonna be capable to pass as American law if she becomes VP. Probably something that would make her daughter OK and so that would be OK for your daughters, if they don't end up dead in one of the Bush's wars.

Posted by: Bobster | September 1, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean that the social service is going to take Bristol away from the Palin's for bad parenting as they do with other American teenagers? Is our tax payer money going to take care of Bristol the teenage unwed mother?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Colbert King's small column is so true and deeply touching that, after rereading it, I deleted my detailed post. Obama is right: this should be off-limits for us, even in the face of accusations, because caring for everybody's kids in these tough times trumps everything else.

Sarah Palins dishonest accusations against phantom liberal mudslingers should be challenged, though. Here is a link to a story on KTUU, the cause of the original rumors, which come from her own people in Alaska, not Democrats:

http://www.ktuu.com/global/story.asp?s=8194634

Clearly, no doctor really advised a patient to fly all night from Texas to Alaska while she was in premature labor with a Down syndrome baby, and give birth at 6:15 the next morning. Either Sarah lied, or she lied. We have a very ambitious and calculating candidate here. Watch out for her.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

That's a nice tactic. Unlike most, I have actually read all the posts here. Although the Pro-Palin and Pro-privacy people are contributing new and individual thought, I see a lot of "I hate republican" information being copy-pasted from earlier in this very thread.

Who was it that said "repeating the same thing over again and expecting a different result..."?

This is really pointless, the only this of value here is that the lies are being multiplied to concrete somebody's already existing position.

Have fun with your campaign blogging. Good night. Hope you all get a life.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Ok now I'm officially angry.

I'm a working mother of three, including one disabled son. Obama is right - this is completely off-limits. He is also astute. I am incredibly angry with aspects of the pro-Democratic press and how they have tried to destroy Sarah Palin before she has even given us a chance to talk about her positions. If Palin had been a man, he would not have been subjected to all this second-guessing about his role in his family. Men have a role too in looking after the family - and Palin's seems a pretty decent and strong one. It is vile, vicious misogyny and those who are perpetrating it are only making sure that there will be a huge backlash against the Dems. I'm a centrist fiscally conservative, socially liberal. I don't wan't to vote for a party which perpetrates this behavior. Not least given how badly they treated Hillary (who I would have voted for). What these Dem blogs are doing is wrong on so many levels including basic sense. You attack one prominent woman unfairly, you attack us all. I'm sick of this...and I'm betting a lot of us feel the same way, even if we disagree with some or many of Palin's positions.

Posted by: Danni | September 1, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Let's see Alaska has a population of approx. 600K persons. It is the largest state in the union, the size of Alaska is equal to 23 smallest states.

Okay so her daughter is having a baby. Besides participating in the Iditarod dog-sled race, pointing missiles at Russia, salmon fishing, snow mobile racing, cleaning up from exxon's oil spill, what else can they do in this frozen tundra?

Sounds like she found her own "igloo" in this least densely populated state and figured out a natural way to keep warm and that has resulted in a pre-marital pregnancy.

Kudos to Palin's daughter-Bristol for saving this earth and discovering and using alternative energy.

Posted by: Gladstone-44 | September 1, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

If she become president we will have to take care of that baby. Now that welfare on the highest level and they are white.

who would have thunk it!!!!!!

Posted by: Big boy | September 1, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

nigslime: I know who your daddy is, he's the toothless knuckle dragging abomination who also doubles as your uncle. I'm sure your skin is white/blue from all of the inbreeding. It’s too bad your mother couldn’t afford a coat hanger, she could have nipped your miserable life in the bud.

Posted by: nigslime response | September 1, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

There are enormous differences in the lives of Bristol Palin - daughter of the governor of Alaska - and underage unwed mothers bringing yet another child into the mean streets of ghetto DC. Is that really all that hard to see?

Posted by: deahntay jones | September 1, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Pro choice doesn't mean you can have abortion anytime or kill your infant. Pro choice means you can have abortion within 4 months of pregnancy, after that nobody can have it. Even republicans love that kind of law, because if they don't, they would overturn "Roe vs Wade" in the last 8 years. They had all the time to overturn it, but nobody even tried. All republicans are pro choice, they just keep saying pro life to have evangelicals to vote for them. Think about this one.

Posted by: ProAnything | September 1, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

This is absolutely crazy. It does matter what is happening in the Palin's household. I believe this "childs" pregnancy was a secret and If McCain knew, shame on him. Is he loosing his mind!! How dare you pander the American people on a consistent basis. This woman (Palin) need to be home with her special needs child and help her "child" raise her child. In essence, Mrs. Palin you will be raising two infants. And to think your message on abstinence was not taught to your daughter. We don't need you as VP.

Posted by: aj | September 1, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

nigslime, is your feeling hurt.

HAHAHAHAHAH

Posted by: big boy | September 1, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

There are many reasons to not vote for the McCain/Palin ticket. I was not going to vote for McCain before Sarah Palin joined him and I will not vote for them now.

The following are reasons that should not influence your vote, they will not influence mine.

- Sarah Palin's daughter is pregnant.
- Sarah Palin recently had a baby with Down's Syndrome.
- Sarah Palin's daughter is not married, is a teenager, has not completed high school.

Here are some good reasons for not voting for McCain/Palin.
-John McCain's judgment is faulty, proven in many ways but most recently in choosing a woman who has so little experience on the national arena and none on the international stage.
-Sarah Palin's extreme right views which are not in line with the views of most Americans.
-The likelihood that S.P. could actually inherit the Presidency because of J.M.'s age.
-S.P. is not anti-gay (she vetoed a bill that would have made benefits for gay partners illegal.)

Who will take care of her kids and grand kids is not a reason to not vote for her. In case you haven't heard there are nanny s. Or perhaps, her husband will quit his job and stay home with the kids. This solution, a partner of a busy elected official staying home to care for the family, is not unheard of!

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Posted by: diamondanda | September 1, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

So once again the press jumps on the sensational instead of going after a real story. Palin tried to use her influence to get her ex brother in-law fired and is trying to get the public safety commissioner fired for not firing him.
It IS NOT IMPORTANT that her daughter is pregnant that is NOT OUR BUSINESS. the other affair however is very much our business.
The press in this country is CRAP, and all they care about anymore is whatever story is going to get the biggest headlines. Shame on the press!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Dennis | September 1, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Bristol is a party girls also. I can't wait for her friends to post some party pictures on MySpace.com.

Posted by: DJ+&- | September 1, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

This is absolutely crazy and none of any of you have any business making rude and derogatory comments. This is a family matter only; it has nothing to do with politics. If sex were one of the criterias of a good politicans, we would have no Democratic men in office in the United States as none of them can keep their zippers closed...I mean the ones who are having and have had affairs outside of their marriages. Left this young lady and her family alone with this. Don't be a noisy ole female or a hypocritical male who has done worse than this young lady. Some of your comments make me ashame that I live in the same country as you live.

Posted by: June | September 1, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Last comment from me. I for one, will breathe easier, lol.

I happen to feel that Palin's own marital circumstances as well as her child's unwed pregnancy are indicitave of irresponsibility. It's easy to say that one loves one's child after the fact. I'm not saying that she & her husband don't love their children!

This is about cool, hard judgement regarding who's finger may be on the button if the president should have a mortal misfortune... We all need to be willing to evaluate the facts, not rush to judgement.

We've been fooled so many times in the past 30 years... Are we willing to swallow the same rhetoric once again? Illegal wiretaps, lying to the American public, Quailisms, The Plumbers, Bush's constant gaffes... Can we really afford another war, and delay alternative energy still further?

Ok... I've been more direct this time. No matter who is elected, perhaps we should look at the record instead of what the candidates say... Calm, responsible, thoughtful, cool effort is what we need. Yes, it is that serious.

We CAN think for ourselves, all of us; we're all in this together. As our founding father Mr. Franklin said: “We must all stand together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.”

-Sincerely-

Posted by: Irvington | September 1, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

We are all so judgmental!!! How on earth do some of us know so much about one another when we haven't disclosed info about ourselves. What I hoped would be a compassionate, intelligent discussion that might be helpful to us all quickly degenerated into mostly individuals disparaging and calling one another names. The majority of posters never said whether they were democratic or republican; liberal or conservative; left or right; white or black; believers or non-believers. What a sad commentary on our ability to reach out to one another when we need each other in spite of our ideological differences

Posted by: AvdRdr47 | September 1, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 6:43 PM "I am with OBama---but if you get your wish maybe we can hear for OBama's mother and father as well:

"I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people's families are off limits," Obama declared after attending a Labor Day picnic here. "People's children are especially off limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. So I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories.""

Is that you Karl? Posting back Obama's comments to use them against the reasonable comments that can be made in this situation?

I somehow think you are not pro-Obama if you have to post as Anonymous.

Posted by: Paul Stewart | September 1, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Please wake up America!!!...
It is unfortunate that Sarah Palin's daughter lacked the self-control to wait until she married the father of this baby to conceive him/her, but to blame abstinance programs for this...COME ON!

If contraceptives and condoms are so successful, why have 40 MILLION babies been dismemembered and suctioned from their mothers' wombs since Roe v. Wade???!!! Face facts America!!!

Where kids have a chance to hear the message of "self-control" and "responsiblity", the teen pregnancy rate DOES go down - without killing babies!

How in the world are we going to have a better country, a better society, preaching "do it all, try it all, use anyone you like, just don't forget your condom!"???

I am very thankful that, even though Palin's daughter has made a serious mistake, she is not going to kill her child and that her parents are not pressuring her to.

For those young mothers who don't have the "luxury" of a rich family, there is a beautiful thing called ADOPTION no one has mentioned. Thousands of childless U.S. couples now spend enormous amounts of money and suffer great hardships to adopt children from other countries because there are so few opportunities for adoption here.

The big message in this story is that even if the child is handicapped, even if the child is "unplanned" - you don't murder them! If a human person is inconvenient or unwanted (baby, elderly, handicapped, minority,...) we don't have the right to elimate them! What kind of a slippery slope is that?!

Teach responsiblity, self-control and respect for the dignity of every human person and their right to life. Teach that on t.v., in the movies, on the internet and in our schools - I dare you!
Come on America, the "Me Generation" is out of vogue, give it a try!

Posted by: Wake up America | September 1, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

....Now Sarah P. is forcing her daughter to not only keep the baby (some other couple would be thrilled to adopt it, I'm sure), but to marry this boyfriend!?! Yeah, there is a marriage made in heaven.


......Posted by: LMK from TacWA

Is that what you would have done?
It must be, since you didn't quote a source, and no one else has put such a story in print.
Maybe your crystal ball needs cleaning.

Some people really do think babies are a wonderful gift to the planet, but do not force their thinking on the children.
I doubt that Palin's ability to lead a Country through a war, and economic downturn, is less over a family matter.

Clinton had a "big" family matter, but navigated one attack on the world trade cemter by Osama. He also dealt with all of Islam's Husseins though he had a "family matter" right?

Posted by: dotty | September 1, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Some of your comments are so offensive that I wonder if you have even have a tiny bit of decency in you. You need to stop for a minute, look in the mirror and remember all the things you have done in your life that you would not want to put in print.

Posted by: William H. | September 1, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

TO ALL OF WHO ARE TRYING TO PUT A BOW TIE ON THIS "JERRY SPRINGER" CATEGORY SCANDAL AND STILL TRYING TO MAKE THIS AS PRIVATE MATTER:

Do you realize that this lady with a bunch of problems in her own private life is trying to be the VP of your country and control your lives? This is not private matter,whole USA needs to consider this scandal twice before putting their votes for McCain-Palin ticket.

Posted by: Bobster | September 1, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I agree that any baby should be celebrated. I agree with the choice of Palin's daughter and take it on faith it was the daughter choices. Or, at least that it was hers with her parents' guidance. 17 is quite young, but it does depend on the individual. I think that what is important is that the choice be the woman's bearing the child.

In terms of Palin's views on the matter of abortion, I think that it may just be a coincidence that her daughter has the same views as her and made the choice that perhaps she would have made.

I think though that where I disagree with Palin is in her views that this would be the only choice that her daughter could make.

I think the other point that might be worth mentioning is that this whole area of abortion is a narrow wedge issue. And it should not be allowed to dominate the election discussion. This is important, indeed, it is not what the election should turn on.

I also agree with the general views expressed that somehow these surprise babies are viewed differently depending on whose house they are born in. And, the reaction in a campaign if the shoe was on the other foot in terms of the two parties would be very different.

I think the baby and the daughter are off limits personally and should be left out or the picture.

I think everyone should move on to the issues of the campaign.

Posted by: Paul Stewart | September 1, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I think everyone should move on to the issues of the campaign.

Posted by: Paul Stewart | September 1, 2008 9:12 PM

REPLY: GOT NEWS FOR YOU PAL; THIS IS AN ISSUE OF THE CAMPAIGN. PEOPLE NEED TO DECIDE, IS JOHN McCAIN WITH SARAH PALIN GOOD TO LEAD OUR COUNTRY. WITH ALL THE PROBLEMS COMING OUT OF CLOSETS, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Bobster
Obama said he didn't want to go there.
Since when do American's ever follow their leader?

I do not get the impression that Palin needs to be swayed by the public, it is her life.
Her resume was reviewed and accepted.
Her accolades are good enough.

Both sides agree families are off limits.

Friends and aquaintances are not sacred though.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

People...

Please re-read the original editorial carefully.

-Sincerely-

Posted by: Irvington | September 1, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Man, do you have it right! I wrote a column a few years about about a young woman who had been beaten so badly by her husband that he had put her in the hospital. I was using her as an example of why a welfare reform proposal that would have required women like her to stay married to wife-beaters should be opposed. I made a point of illustrating my case with a women who had an Italian surname so that my readers (I was writing for a paper in a state with many Italian-Americans) might empathize with her.

Didn't work. I got more vicious hate male about that woman than for just about any other column I ever wrote. They often argued that she deserved what she got because of her poor choices, etc., etc. Misogyny city!

So now Palin's got a chance to do something about these attitudes. If she wants to stand up for women, then she should start by defending all the women in the same position as her daughter. It'd be interesting to see how many of supporters would stick with her, if she did.

Posted by: Ramon Castellblanch | September 1, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I am horrified by the people who argue that Palin has sentenced her son with Down Syndrome to misery and life as a "retard." Have you ever met someone with Down Syndrome? Do you know what wonderful fulfilling lives many of them have?

Maybe you should take a look at a place like Gigi's Playhouse in Hoffman Estates (Google it) to see what a life of "misery" is like for someone with Down Syndrome.

I work with many families who have children with Down Syndrome, and I like to joke (it's not really a joke) that their children have much better social lives than I do.

Posted by: Kirsten | September 1, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

There is one big question for Sarah Palin:
"How are you going to manage THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? if You cant manage THE PALIN FAMILY OF ALASKA?"

Where were you Sarah when your daughter Bristol had unportected sex with her boyfriend?

Why you did not give your daughter American Value from the bible about marriage and pregnancy before marriage?

It may not be an issue for a wealthy and powerful family in Alaska like you.

Even John McCain adviser said everything is okay and it happens with American Family.

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"Life happens," said McCain adviser Steve Schmidt, talking about the pregnancy story.

"An American family," added colleague Mark Salter.

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YES IT IS YOUR FAMILY!! and IT IS PALIN FAMILY!!BUT PLEASE DONT MAKE A GENERALIZATION TO ALL AMERICAN FAMILY!!

SHAME OF YOU SARAH! SHAME OF YOU!!!

Posted by: Cindy McCain | September 1, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

If it weren't for unplanned pregnancies, many of us wouldn't be here. However, one has to wonder... if Mrs. Palin cannot tend her own flock, how can she be the veep of a country of millions?

Our children reflect our own personal leadership. I have seven daughters - two in college, two other teenagers, and none of them pregnant. However, I am neither a Christian nor a candidate for office.

If Mrs. Pain is too inattentive toward her own family, then it would seem she is likely to let other even more important issues at the national level fall down. I wonder about a woman who didn't even understand the role of VP. What thought did she put into accepting the nomination?? The same thought she put into monitoring her oldest daughter??

Posted by: Weisschr | September 1, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

"Children are like wet cement. Whatever falls on them makes an impression.” Dr. Haim Ginott.
I think Governor Palin should turn down the VP offer and take care of her family.

http://SmarterToddler.net

Posted by: Marie in NYC | September 1, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the daugter and baby (that will be arriving within months) should be off limits, but Palin and McCain's blatant disregard to the welfare of said child and the child's child HAS to be an issue. McCain's attack on Obama about putting a campaign before country. Well, sir, what about your campaign before family?

But this is just another example of the GOP sticking to failed policies no matter how detrimental they are to our country and our children.

Posted by: Heather | September 1, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Two milfs in one family, to bad one will be birth to a bastard. I am sure this is a forced marriage, lets hope this 17 year old stays married.

This girl is just at immature as the black girls that are getting knocked up every day in the streets. I can't wait until this issue comes up in the race!

Posted by: Brass Monkey | September 1, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

There are a lot of people on both sides of the fence who have learned the hard way not to underestimate Sarah. There are also several oil companies that have tried to butt heads with her and have come up short.
She is the best thing to happen to Alaska politics since Jay Hammond.
If the nation doesn't want her we will welcome her back with open arms.
Trig her special needs son also has a father who may be able to spend more one on one time with him if she is elected. As a father of a special needs son some of my most rewarding times were spent with my son.
It amazes me that there are so many people that judge people before they even know them, but that is one of the reasons I left the lower 48.

Posted by: laughing in AK | September 1, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I imagine it went something like this.....

McCain: "Sarah, I'd like to be elected President in November. To do that I'll need a VP Candidate that can pull votes from a few segments that I can't get on my own. Mit Romney would be an exellent VP, so would a few others.

You're a conservative, long-time NRA member, Pro-Lifer with executive experience. You have shown a commitment to free-market principles. It's also about time we had a woman in the White House. What do you say? Will you join my ticket?"

Palin: "Thanks for asking John. I'd like that very much, but first, let me ask my family."

McCain: "Great. Let me know."

Palin (to her family): "Well, what do you think?"

Mr. Palin: "I think it's a great idea and you'd be a solid VP. I'll continue to handle the majority of raising the kids like I've been doing so far during your term as Governor."

Palin (to Daughter): "What about you? Will you be able to handle the attention that will surely be directed towards your situation?"

Daughter Palin: "I'm pretty sure we can handle all of that, as long as you continue to support me like you have."

Palin (to Son): "What about you?"

Son Palin: "I'll have the easy part. Iraq should be alot less hazardous than what you're about to go through."

Palin (to McCain): "Ok, we are all for it. Here is my personal situation. If you still want me after considering all of that, I'm all yours."

McCain: "We've looked at everything you have told us and we are still convinced that adding you to the ticket is the surest way to victory in November. Welcome aboard."

If that is anything close to what actually happened, I’m for it. (Let the flaming begin)

Posted by: JimBo | September 1, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

It is possible that her daughter was using birth control and it didn't work. I can tell you from personal experience that it happens. I can't believe how quickly everyone is jumping to the conclusion that she wasn't using any.

Posted by: The Questioner | September 1, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

To True American: I hope there's more to your life than the nonsense you've been spewing on this site. I can't imagine why anyone would give your opinions a second thought.

To all who judge others without having walked in their shoes: Be quiet and listen. Listen to your elders, listen to those who come from a different background, listen to those who actually have something to say.

I have a blind sister and a developmentally disabled sister. I was raised in a Republican family but am now a liberal Independent voter. I am vehemently pro-choice, but when I became pregnant, I chose to bring my son into the world despite knowing he would be severely disabled. I chose to pursue a meaningful career but was able to negotiate a schedule that allowed me to meet the school bus each day. My husband and I are not wealthy; we have never had a nanny nor any regular help with either of our two children -- we have gone without to pay our daughter's tuition, and I foresee that our son will live with us throughout my life. We even have a disabled dog that I take care of everyday.

It is because of this, because I've seen the beauty of children that others might see as a "tragic burden" and because I've seen that no matter what, life throws curveballs, that I think we should not engage in mudslinging about the personal lives of others -- BUT we should speak truth to hypocrisy.

Please, try to be as thoughtful as possible in deciding who can take this country in the direction you agree with.

Oh, by the way, my daughter and her husband are both in the military, and we love this country. We understand sacrifice and we believe the Iraq war has been one of this country's lowest moments.

Use your minds and hearts to seek understanding -- let's stop the hatefulness now. Oh, if anyone wonders, I'm for Obama all the way.

Posted by: true american too | September 1, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Greg Valliere and John Harwood are well known names to serious, informed Repblicans. They were interviewed on Friday on CNBC re: Palin.

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http://www.michiganmessenger.com/3349/mccain-reaches-into-the-icebox-and-pulls-out-palin

From the outside, it appears as if conservatives may be in shock, if CNBC’s analysts opinions are an indication.

“This is utter madness, absolutely insane,” said political analyst Greg Valliere, who then ran down McCain’s age and all of his health problems. “This woman makes Dan Quayle look reasonable.”

On the issue of a debate with Biden, Valliere said, “[the] stature gap is significant here.”

When asked about Valliere’s assessment, CNBC’s chief Washington correspondent John Harwood responds, “[it's] basically nightmare scenario for the Republican ticket.”

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Posted by: hmpierson | September 1, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Mr. King for a thoughtful column. Underage/unwed/poverty-stricken mothers are certainly not a problem exclusive to African Americans -- in parts of Appalachia (about as white bread as you can get) the average age of becoming a *grandmother* is around 36. Do the math folks. None of us should be ugly about the issue, but we should all be trying to solve it in positive ways -- regardless of what color or class the mothers (and fathers) are.

To answer some of the other posts which seem a little confused:

Lay the heck off Bristol -- she didn't sign up for being a public figure, her mom did.

Yes, abstinence works -- 'abstinence ONLY education' does not (there's good research out there kids). The point isn't that Bristol Palin is pregnant, it's that her mother is supporting unsound policy.

As the niece of a woman with Downs and the sister of a young man with birth defects (bought into our family by the choice of adoption rather than accident of birth), I'm appalled that anyone would suggest that a person *should* choose abortion because the child would be somehow condemned to misery as a "retard" (are you in 2nd grade?) -- I've worked with special needs children for years, and know from first hand experience how they can reset family priorities in a very positive way. I've also known it to be a tragic choice. Leave it up to the families (which brings us back to REAL choice, doesn't it).

For those who think Gov Palin(or apparently any woman) can't serve as VP with a young child and grandchild on the way.... is Todd Palin chopped liver? SHE's not the only emotional support for her family. Unless women (and only women) staying at home with the kids is your policy position, it's irrelevant.

All of that being said, there are reasons to question her judgement in this area-- specifically around the birth of Trig Palin (and the rumors about Trig actually being Bristol's child aren't new to anyone inside Alaska, and not restricted to Dems in the state). If the Governor's *own published account* a few days after Trig was born can be trusted, she was traveling long distance at 8 months during a high risk pregnancy (by definition, any woman over 35 is considered high risk more so at 40 and above, & any pregnancy with a genetic abnormality is at risk as well), went into labor (she says with four kids already she knew that she was in real labor & not false labor she'd had previously in the pregnancy), -- started "leaking" amniotic fluid, and went ahead with being a keynote speaker anyway, then took a commercial flight from Texas to Seattle and another commercial flight from Seattle to Anchorage (without informing either flight crew), and then drove another 45 minutes to an hour to Wasilla (going right by the best hospitals in the State, which are in Anchorage) -- already being a mother of 4 she would have known a "leakage" of amniotic fluid could lead quickly to infection and that premature births mean the child needs treatment right away in most cases (sometimes in utero)... This doesn't sound like a woman with good judgement to me (or even terribly pro-life). I could go on about her disturbing decisions in this regard, including the failure to inform any of her staff anytime before she informed the public at 7 months -it was a high risk pregnancy & if anything, god forbid, had gone wrong at any point in her pregnancy, it would have been good for someone around her to be able to give relevant information to emergency personnel... She's taking credit for bringing to term a child with special needs (admirable, but not extraordinary), but if her irresponsible actions around his birth had further harmed him, I wonder if she would be taking equal credit for that?

So if you have to use the pregnancy of either Palin, look at the judgement in execution, and leave Bristol, and all the minors attached to the candidates, ALONE.

Vote for Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin on issues. Admittedly Palin's aren't clear on everything, but there's plenty to work with where there is a record: she's anti-abortion; pro guns; isn't sure global warming is for real & quite sure that humans didn't cause it; wants to drill in ANWAR (FWIW it's the rare Alaskan politician who doesn't, regardless of party, and fewer who'd probably admit it); is suing the federal government on behalf of the State for listing polar bears as endangered; wants creationism taught in public schools (though she apparently does not have an objection to having evolution taught too); anti-gay marriage & gay partner benefits; believes that "competition" will lower heath care costs (apparently sufficiently to take care of the current problem); pro death penalty; and a bare few months ago she was on television saying she wouldn't accept a VP nomination until/unless she could get someone to actually tell her what the VP *does.*

Let's start with that, shall we, rather than round on a helpless young woman who would be in an uncomfortable enough position if she weren't suddenly thrust into the national spotlight?

Posted by: ak girl | September 1, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I believe there is another critical issue to consider regarding the news of Palin's daughter's pregnancy and that is the character of Sarah and Todd Palin. Thrusting young children and teenagers into the national stage and snake pit of a Presidential campaign with little or no apparent preparation is hardly admirable. However, to thrust a 17 year unmarried pregnant child into that kind of spotlight, media frenzy and inevitable viciousness is either incredibly naive or selfishly negligent. That child has enough to deal with and a private family matter should have remained private. Instead, the decision by her parents to accept the VP invitation instead of declining for the emotional welfare of their child is not the action of loving parents determined to support and protect their child through a difficult period of her young life. It would be "nice" if families were off limits but the actions of a potential VP are critical as they speak loudly of character. And character is defined not by the issues but by our honesty, integrity, principles, and yes, our empathy,thoughtfullness, and selfless actions when family members are going through trying times. This is a sad story on so many levels.

Posted by: Bessie | September 1, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Obviously the Republicans stand on "teaching abstinence" in the classroom isn't so effective! Bristol is a poor and DISGUSTING reflection of her mother's parental values. What sort of message are the Palin's sending to 17 year olds around the country? That it's acceptable for young ladies STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL to get pregnant? Sarah needs NOT to sugar coat the issue.

Secondly, the Palin's seems to be out of a episode of Hillbillies gone Hollywood. Trash. Period point blank.

Posted by: Grace | September 1, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

And a little child shall lead them. Not an original thought. I cannot wait to hear the Dobsons and those types weigh in on this real and human situation. That she did not make the decision to abort puts her among the majority of women in this country whose pregnancies take a natural course that may end in childbirth. It is impossible to squeeze this event into a left wing, right wing, evangelical or any shrill group. Christians and others celebrate an event each year that reminds us of a birth in Nazareth many years ago. The mother then was not yet 17....not unusual for that period. Mr King does make his point...again.

Posted by: Draesop | September 1, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

I am intrigued by the possibility that Bristol is the victim of statutory rape. And if that is the case, does that mean that Sarah Palin is guilty of a felony for trying to cover it up?

I have no problem with Sarah Palin's conceiving at her relatively late age--after all, she is entitled to have sex and probably frowns on birth control. But that business about the post-water-breaking flight to Alaska is a very serious matter. IT is clear that she does not have the judgment necessary to be a heartbeat (and John McCain's rather old heartbeat at that) away from the Oval Office.

Posted by: JB | September 1, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

He drew a circle that shut me out,
Heretic, rebel, a thing to flout.
But love and I had the wit to win,
We drew a circle that took him in.
(Edwin Markham, if memory serves).

Thank you, Mr. King for embodying that old poem and showing true compassion. I wish you were on the presidential ticket. I would wish I could vote for you. See, people, here is one more untold story of the tragedy of racism in politics up to now(and it applies to sexism, too). People like Mr. King, in the right political office could provide us the true kind of moral leadership our country has been so lacking in. And there are so many other battle-scarred veterans of life who could have been providing this kind of leadership all along, if only we would have
let them. Perhaps they'll listen now, Mr. King. We live in hope.

Posted by: Jackie Blue | September 1, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Swift-boat the religious right hardliners. If it were Senator Obama's daughter they would burn her at the stake. No mercy for McCain. For once Democrats go for the jugular. Richard

Posted by: Richard
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It is unfortunate, but you are absolutely correct! Were it one of Obama's "teen-age 'girls'", McCain, his campaign, and their Rove Clone would be all over this like hyenas in for the kill. Not only would they trash the good Senator, but Michelle and "the girl" as well. I using
"the girl" because I know that is just how those racists and bigots would refer to her, or worse yet as "that Ho". But since this is a "White gir" she will NEVER be referred to as "that girl", it will always be "Sarah's daughter"!! The Republicans, however,are A-OK with Bristol "White" Pilan's out-of-marriage pregnancy. Sarah Pilan obviously did NOT instill self-respect and self-values in her "girl". Guess people where Sarah and Bristol live have nothing better to do for entertainment?? Pilan MUST WITHDRAW IMMEDIATELY!! Both she and Bristol are setting the WRONG EXAMPLE for mothers and daughters everywhere!! I would say Sarah Pilan has not been a model mom to her daughter, too busy seeking her political agenda. I feel sorry for the girl in that her parents think Sarah's political AGENDA is much more important than Bristol's PRIVACY!! They are selling out their daughter!! What else don't we know about Pilan??

Posted by: NinaK | September 1, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

The McCain Campaign used Palin’s children as props in her compelling story but now that it's uncomfortably, now questions about her children are suddenly off-limits. The rumor was not about her daughter's pregnancy, it was about Palin faking a pregnancy to cover up for a past pregnancy of her daughter. Somebody knew that Bristol was pregnant on Friday, but I do not who? I noticed on Friday the daughter was carrying the baby in a huge blanket, too. Then, the family shot on the HP-- with Bristol in the black baby doll dress-- made me think that she was pregnant or had not lost the baby weight. If McCain knew about the daughter’s pregnancy, why wasn’t Palin becoming a grandmother in a few months not part of the initial story on Friday when she was rolled out? Her son’s military service deployment was part of the story. If having a Down Syndrome baby speaks to Palin’s life position, why didn’t her pregnant teenage daughter carry the same message? The point here, is a teenage pregnancy by a daughter of a policy making who advocates no sex-education for teens aside from abstinence-only? Her daughter's pregnancy makes it clear that the abstinence-only doesn’t work for preventing teen pregnancies.

Posted by: Lydia | September 1, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Governor Palin is a great choice, many of you nasty people just need to take a deep breath and look at yourselves in the mirror. Do you ever wonder what is truly important in life? As for the people who called her selfish for being a "working mother" and not devoting enough time to being a parent....be real many stay at home moms have pregnant teenagers too! I am a white women, prior military, college graduate, catholic, divorced after 15 years and love all three of my children. I believe her daughter being pregnant is no ones business, I believe her special needs child is a gift from God and she choose to have this baby. Imagine that NO ABORTION needed. I guess Governor Palin isn't that selfish as others stated so rudely. I think Governor Palin is smart and decisive thinking and guess what has MORALS... Go McCain/Palin

Posted by: dkihnley | September 1, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

This should likely be deleted:

"Well at least Sarah Palin's daughter knows who da daddy be. Show me one welfare mother in south side Chicago dat knows dat.

Posted by: nigslime | September 1, 2008 5:57 PM"

I'll refrain from entertaining the conversation, though, as it is more fun to read some of the responses I see from either side of the political spectrum. Not including the afore-mentioned one, of course.

Posted by: surya | September 1, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I DON'T THINK BEING A MOM HAS ANYHTING TO DO WITH BEINGG VICE PRESIDENT.

Posted by: BOREDATWORK | September 1, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

"I feel sorry for the girl in that her parents think Sarah's political AGENDA is much more important than Bristol's PRIVACY!! They are selling out their daughter!!"

What you're really saying here is that Bristol needs to be protected from people like YOU.

Posted by: prettierthanthou | September 1, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I can’t believe what I was reading, both from the right and left of the political spectrum.
I can’t believe people are saying that because Sarah Palin has children she shouldn’t be the VP. O’ come on, women do this in the private sector all the time, I work for a single mom right now and sometimes her son can be a handful. And Sarah has a husband I don’t think he will be doing much for the next 4 to 8 years. If we went by what some of you were saying I guess we need to change the constitution, I don’t think so.
When it comes to her daughter I think it is a shame that this young girl will start her adult life with a child, but at least she is going to do this. She and her boyfriend made a decision to have sex, that was the choice. I don’t think this, to be born, baby made this choice for them. Next, it does show that Mrs. Palin and her husband did try to raise their children right. This young lady and her boyfriend are taking responsibility for their actions. I know my parents were disappointed in me when I brought home the news. But they taught me that to be a respectful person meant taking responsibility for your actions, wish we had more of that right now.
Maybe it’s time for some of you to grow up, life isn’t always perfect. And teenage pregnancy it’s just the fault of one thing, it’s a lot of things. First, the notion that only blacks have this problem, I do believe this happens in all walks of life. And to think that for blacks, abortion is the only option is not a responsible way of looking at people. And yet that’s the way some of you look at it, what a shame. The problem with abortion is it is the way a lot of people look at everything in life, which is not to take responsibility for their actions. We as people need to raise our children that no matter what you must take responsibility for your actions, no matter how hard it will be. Teach your children that no matter what they can do it and make it, the only thing in their way is themselves. I could say a lot more but I won’t, just remember, this happens to the best of us and it is not hypocritical. We were just young and thought we knew what we were doing.

Posted by: mpfei1@aol.com | September 1, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Palin's VIEWS toward teen pregnancy, her pushing of abstinence only programs, her stance against abortion (even in the case of incest or rape) make her daughter's pregnancy concerning. No, it's not "our business" but one does wonder...does the daughter want this baby or is she being made to have it...is this part of the problem with abstinence "only" education? Seems like it is and it's there, happening right in her own house and yet she ignores that part of it. Of COURSE things happen, but figuring out why they do is what thinking people DO.
Palin expects every American woman to do the same as she would. She wants me to say nothing about her child which ARE connected to her views (and evidently that's the way most people are thinking) but if it came to my child, Palin would have plenty to say about "how things SHOULD be." (and push for that in terms of things like Roe v Wade--how my child is taught re: sex education, etc.) Unfair completely. In fact, hypocritical.

Posted by: Susan | September 1, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure that Sarah and Todd Palin are excited about the impending arrival of their grandchild--who wouldn't be? But my heart goes out to them. Doesn't everyone with children want them to get good educations, have solid financial footings, and be physically and emotionally mature before taking on the responsibility of children? To me, one of the major pitfalls of the teenage years is unplanned pregnancy and the derailing of a child's potential.

However, there is simply no way that I can now support McCain-Palin. I have a 5 year-old daugher and I do not want Bristol Palin held up as a role model for my child.

I fully agree that Bristol Palin's pregnancy is a private matter and I would like for it to stay that way. I certainly do not want my daughter to get the idea that getting pregnant and/or married at 17 is something to which she should aspire. Therefore, I do not want to see Sarah Palin or any of her family in the White House.

Posted by: anon | September 1, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a Jim Jones freak.

Posted by: s | September 1, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Palin pushes abstinence but can't instill those values in her own children? Hypocrite. I'm glad I found out before I voted for her!

Posted by: Kayle | September 1, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

"I am intrigued by the possibility that Bristol is the victim of statutory rape. And if that is the case, does that mean that Sarah Palin is guilty of a felony for trying to cover it up?"

Nice try, but no cigar.

In Alaska, the age of consent is sixteen. Bristol's boyfriend is eighteen years old.

Posted by: bobbiewick | September 1, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of not following parental values; hopefully the childern of liberal parents will not be instilled with that horrible disease.

A McCain/Palin White House is exactly what the liberals need as a means to help them wake up from their madness.

It's all about laziness, you see, a liberal is someone who 'think's they are smarter than they really are. Most of them get this disease by going to college and paying a ton of money and then feeling entitled to claim that they are 'smart'. Along the way they lose sight of wisdom.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Maybe had the daughter been given both birth control pills and sex education in school, it would have helped, because abstinece surely did not work.

Posted by: gpm | September 1, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Pro-lifers fail to open their minds to realities of life. Their issue begins and ends with a fetus without the consideration of the quality of life. I look at the baby face of this pregnant minor and see what kind of woman her mother really is. Knowing that her underaged, unmarried daughter was pregnant, she put her political ambitions ahead of her own daughter's care and protection by allowing what is now the scrutiny and microscopic attention of an entire nation! And this exposes, once again, the callousness of religious conservatives who care only about one thing - that she is going to have a baby - without consideration of those human beings who have already been born.

Posted by: jane | September 1, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again, the same old George W. Bush baloney, "They (the liberals) say we need to run away . . . "

Remember those days, when in reality, except for a handful of dumbies, there was no "they". . . . Remember all the mileage the Republicans got out of all that baloney -- tar the opposition with lies and straw-dogs."

Now we're getting it from McCain, "there have be vicious rumors from the left."

I've heard no vicious rumors, have you? . . . . . What I have heard is that Palin was involved in covering for a sister's or a daughter's pregnancy -- hardly a vicious rumor. . . . But the Republicans are so anxious for the Democrats to attack their goddess in the wrong way, that they are calling anything said about her a "vicious rumor".

If you heard an unsubstainiated rumor or something vicious, you can be 90% sure it came from the Karl Rove Republican mind screw machine.

True Democrats are very, very careful about touching the goddess with nothing but the truth. . . . . And certainly will not be vicious.

Remember is it is vicious, it is most likely from the Karl Rove Republican mind screw machine.

Posted by: Coldcomfort | September 1, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Many young people are likely to engage in sexual behavior. We have a government that implies that abstinence only works. That is bull. Teens should be educated about sexual consequences and given birth control information. Parents play an important roll, but it is up to teenagers what actions they take.

Posted by: Vicki | September 1, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

'jane' wrote: "Pro-lifers fail to open their minds to realities of life. Their issue begins and ends with a fetus without the consideration of the quality of life."

The reality of life is that it begins at conception. Prior to that, you only have chromosomes. After that, you have a unique genome. The phrase 'quality of life' is code language for the 'useless eaters' philosophy used by the Nazis to justify genocide. I think that 40+ million aborted Americans (since Roe vs. Wade) qualifies.

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 1, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

'Vicki' wrote: 'We have a government that implies that abstinence only works. That is bull. Teens should be educated about sexual consequences and given birth control information.'

Abstinence works every time if you don't want to get pregnant. Relying on birth control (which can and does fail) is a sure way to be lulled into a false sense of security, and then when it fails, what do you do? Oh no, birth control didn't work! Let's kill the baby! 40 million abortions later...

See http://tinyurl.com/2g8up

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 1, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

"Sarah First" is the line the republicans should be spouting. This "Annie Oakley" of Alaska type is impressive, but not ready to lead our country. She clearly has a lot of potential and will be good for the right wingers in later years.

What the heck was McCain thinking about when he made this decision? The media should really come down on him for this!! This decision is not cute, funny or Maverick. It's STUPID!!!! McCain needs to be burned at the stake for putting this womens family out front like this.

Republicans faulted Bill Clinton for not being a good example for our children and now they are fighting to put an unwed pregnant teen in front of our pre-teen and teenage girls. Shame on the republicans for this so-called Christian view.

Is Barack Obama, a Christian, hated that much by other so-called Christians that they would rather put a teenager on display? Obviously, the girl is like her mom who was pregnant before she got married. No problem for the far righters unless you're a democrat.

And have the names of the kids been vetted properly or do they need to be scrutinized like Obamas name?

What church do they attend and do they like the Alaskan natives?

Posted by: gmania | September 1, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Mr. King is one of my favorite columnists. Whether or not I agree with him is irrelevant; I always learn something when I read what he has to say.

In this case, Mr. King makes the very valid point that children of parents of any race and any financial standing can have personal challenges. Period.

All that being said - I am amazed at so many comments about what Sarah Palin should or should not do because her daughter got pregnant.

I can think of the children of many male politicians who got involved with drugs, had DWI's, and the like. Should these men - men like Al Gore and Ted Kennedy - have stepped down from office because their positions might put a "spotlight" on their children?

Answer: of course not. Teenage children and young adults need to learn to deal with the effects of their decisions and actions.

I also cannot help but wonder - how many children of politicians have gotten pregnant - yet no one ever knew because they had abortions?

I'm pro-choice. I support the right of women to have abortions. But pro-choice to me also means supporting the view of women who decide to proceed with their pregnancy.

IMHO - all who claim to be pro-choice should have this attitude.

Posted by: Peg | September 1, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

This issue here is not just the pregnancy of Bristol Paylin. Why do teenage girls get pregnant? There are several reasons: lack of self esteem, feeling unloved, lack of direction in life, lack of knowledge about how to prevent pregnancy.

Is it possible that Sarah Palin is not so loving a parent? Could it be that Bristol was brought up in an overbearing, this is what we believe, do not think for yourself environment?

From the time my children were tiny, I answered their questions, with respect for them. Telling them more as they got older. In this television world I watched their shows with them and we talked about what the characters were doing. Were their actions insightful? Would we want to do something like that?

They had chores from age 4 with a chart to check off. Appropriate chores. And they earned their allowance based on the chores they did learning that no work equals no pay. Responsibility.

They had sex education in school with my blessing and I listened and explained when they asked.

My son now is a fine art photographer in San Francisco, with pieces purchased by the De Young Museum and a college instructor.

My daughter just passed her 2nd year exams in accupunture and will have her own patients next fall.

My son has never become a father prematurely and my daughter has never been pregnant. I think that is because they were treated with respect, given the opportunity to internalize values, taught the discipline of responsibility and respect for others. Oh yes, and my daughter once told me that she never felt concerned about bringing home any friend because they were always treated with hospitality, acceptance and love.

As Kahil Gibran says, "Your children are not your own. They are the sons and daughters of life's longing for itself."

Sarah, perhaps you need to get off your prejudicial, narrow minded soap box and show a little tenderness at home.

This just shows how detrimental the Republican mindset is for our national health.

Posted by: Mary Ellen | September 1, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Do I have this right?
The Republican position is that it is OK for female teenagers to have sex while unmarried, and to have children while unmarried--as long as they get married afterwards (if the female becomes pregnant)
Why dont they put this into their Platform

[I am not sure what their position is if the female does not become pregant;I guess sex is OK but marriage is not necessary?]

They have raised hypocracy to new heights.

Posted by: logic1 | September 2, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Mary Ellen - how fortunate for you that your children are doing so well. And yes; trust me. I have friends who run the spectrum from evangelical Christian to far left atheists - and everything inbetween - who have not been so lucky.

Sometimes, all the love and car and wonderful parenting does not guarantee you a fine result. My friends on the left and the right have kids who have gotten pregnant when unmarried, suffered from alcholism or drug addiction, gotten into financial trouble, lost jobs and more.

If we are going to guess about the parenting skills of political candidates (and yes; in most cases, all you are doing is guessing) - and then reject those candidates whose children aren't perfect specimens, we will have very, very few people running for office.

Posted by: Peg | September 2, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

'Mary Ellen' asked: "Why do teenage girls get pregnant?"

Because they had sexual intercourse? Sexual intercourse should be for married folks who are ready and willing to accept the responsibility of parenthood. Why? Because we know that children thrive when they're raised by loving parents in a strong marriage. Sexual intercourse, as Janet Smith reminds us, is for two things: bonding, and babies. This is what we should teach our kids.

See http://tinyurl.com/2g8up

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 2, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse


Wow, it's always so amusing to see Obamabots come out and proclaim SO convincingly on these boards that they are hardcore Christians, lifelong Republicans, or extraterrestrials from Xenu who was going to support McCain, but Palin just made them change their mind.

All that seems to prove is that the left is scared - it will be an enjoyable show.

Posted by: Paul | September 2, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

'Peg' wrote: "I'm pro-choice. I support the right of women to have abortions."

Translation: I support the 'right' of women to kill their babies - so long as they do it in a clinic out of sight, instead of, say, by hitting 'Full Power' on the microwave oven.

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 2, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin has brought into the discussion her own "motherhood" even to the point of how that helps in qualifying her for VP. Women can't have it both ways. Men who are running for office don't normally include in their platform details about their "fatherhood."
Once Palin brought motherhood into the picture as one of the reasons she's qualified for VP of the USA, then she brought all five of her kids right into it with her...
IF she truly pushes (and she does) abstinence only the what explains that apparent "delight" that she expresses in the grandchild? Why be all excited about it...as if it is cool or something? I think she went WAY beyond the boundaries of "supportive"...to condoning what her daughter is doing...but she wouldn't condone what I'd support mine in doing.

Posted by: Susan | September 2, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

'Susan' wrote: "she wouldn't condone what I'd support mine in doing."

Let me guess: Give the child up for adoption? ;-)

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 2, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

This is to dbl06. Well, I can see your level of intelligence by your post. Down's Syndrome is a genetic condition, so the answer to your Q is NO, Down's Syndrome could NOT have been caused by travel during the eighth month of gestation. You would better off spending your time learning a little something and increasing your intelligence instead of proving to the world how little you have to share.

Posted by: A daughter | September 2, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Do I have this right?
The Republican position is that it is OK for female teenagers to have sex while unmarried, and to have children while unmarried--as long as they get married afterwards (if the female becomes pregnant)
Why dont they put this into their Platform

[I am not sure what their position on marriage is if the female does not become pregant;I guess sex is OK but marriage is not necessary?]

They have raised hypocracy to new heights.

Posted by: logic1 | September 2, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Fools! All of you are fools!

Ha ha! Just kidding! You guys are great. Great comments, too! Especially the one that called everyone fools. That was my favorite.

Posted by: Bender | September 2, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Yo Paul: This whole pregnancy thing is a smokescreen for "Troopergate", the once supported and then rejected "Bridge to Nowhere", and the fact this is a "token" woman without any qualifications whatsoever to be President of the United States proffered up by the GOP in an effort to pander to disenchanted Hillary losers.

At the very least her daughter is a poor example to set for the young women of this country. Think Jamie Lynn Spears.

The thought of a moose chewing Annie Oakley former mayor of a podunk backwater nowhere small town sitting across from Ahmedinejad or his likes after McCain croaks in office or is so demented that he can no longer read his speeches should give any American in their right mind, left wing or right, a good scare.

The truly enjoyable show will be watching Joe Biden shred her in the debates

Posted by: HiloBob | September 2, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Bristol Palin will have "the unconditional love and support of the entire family"?

Sure...just as long as she reads from the approved script. If she chose to *ruin her mom's career and the GOP's electoral chances* by aborting the child, giving it for adoption, or calling off the shotgun wedding, I've a feeling some "conditions" might materialize.

And as a bonus, she gets to do it all under the klieg-lights of the international media.

Posted by: Adam | September 2, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

Mr. King,
Thank you.
You brought to mind the defense lawyer's summation in "Time to Kill": "Now imagine the little girl is white!"

Blacks are only 3.5% of Alaska's population. Only .7% of Idaho's population. I think the Palins are most likely to believe and foster the stereotype.

McCain's biggest voter bloc after "ignorant and proud" is "Whites Only", distantly followed by his contributors, the fraction of 1% of the population whose estates are actually taxable.

Posted by: georgepwebster | September 2, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm in favor of people getting married for the sake of the child. They don't have to live together, or try to make a go of it. In five years, when it will matter to the child, it will be no different than if the parents had felt they were in love, married, had a child and then divorced in a couple of years. The father will always be on the hook for childcare, so there is no reason not to marry. Pregnancy is not deniable, as it once was. But emotionally, I think it is much better for a child to be able to say that his/her parents were married and divorced than to say that the parents never married at all. I'm woman's lib, highly educated, liberal and a scientist.

Posted by: Jackie Aldridge | September 2, 2008 2:25 AM | Report abuse

Jackie Aldridge wrote: "I'm in favor of people getting married for the sake of the child."

And I'm strongly in favor of people getting married before they have sexual intercourse. It is much better for a child to be able to say that his/her parents are happily married and good role models. That used to be more the rule than the exception. What happened? Here's a clue: when did US divorce rates skyrocket? When modern contraceptives became widely available.

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 2, 2008 2:46 AM | Report abuse

who cares about pregnancy ... she's sympathetic to secessionists! How the heck is that good for our "United" States??

Posted by: Flotsam | September 2, 2008 2:49 AM | Report abuse

'HiloBob' gloated prematurely: "The truly enjoyable show will be watching Joe Biden shred her in the debates"

Really? The CFO of a very large publicly-traded company told me not long ago, after meeting Gov. Palin: "She's not only tough as nails, she eats them for breakfast." That's a useful trait to have when negotiating a US$30 billion pipeline deal with Canadians.

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 2, 2008 2:52 AM | Report abuse

"For all those out there that think abstinence does not work: Pathetic! Of course it works!! "

Wait, wait, wait, there's a problem here: Bristol Palin si supposed to have been educated in her parents' credo, so she should have practiced abstinence, and non of this mess should have happened.
Bottom line: abstinence, like many other contraceptive means, works, provided you practice it. But if you break.... well, that's like deciding that not driving is the best way not to have an accident (pedestrians notwithtanding). One you decide to drive a car, though, it WOULD have been nice to learn to fasten your safety belt.


"I'm 29 and have kept it in my pants for that long. It's a matter of self-control"

Shouold that be considered as an implicit criticism on the lack of self-control of Bristol Palin?

Posted by: Fox River | September 2, 2008 2:59 AM | Report abuse

'Fox River' responded to: "I'm 29 and have kept it in my pants for that long. It's a matter of self-control" with

"Shouold that be considered as an implicit criticism on the lack of self-control of Bristol Palin?"

Of course. Now, one might very well ask — is there anyone among us who can claim perfect self-control, especially with regard to our sexual urges? If so, bravo, you should be canonized a saint. *clap* *clap* *clap*

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 2, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

'Fox River' responded to: "I'm 29 and have kept it in my pants for that long. It's a matter of self-control" with

"Shouold that be considered as an implicit criticism on the lack of self-control of Bristol Palin?"

Of course. Now, one might very well ask — is there anyone among us who can claim perfect self-control, especially with regard to our sexual urges? If so, bravo, you should be canonized a saint. *clap* *clap* *clap*

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 2, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

But the girl is 5 months prengnant already and they still havent got married! How come? Has anyone asked the father his opinion? I recoment you guys to check out his myspace page.

Posted by: cazaleda | September 2, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

'Fox River' responded to: "I'm 29 and have kept it in my pants for that long. It's a matter of self-control" with

"Shouold that be considered as an implicit criticism on the lack of self-control of Bristol Palin?"

Of course. Now, one might very well ask — is there anyone among us who can claim perfect self-control, especially with regard to our sexual urges? If so, bravo, you should be canonized a saint. *clap* *clap* *clap*

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 2, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

'Fox River' responded to: "I'm 29 and have kept it in my pants for that long. It's a matter of self-control" with

"Shouold that be considered as an implicit criticism on the lack of self-control of Bristol Palin?"

Of course. Now, one might very well ask — is there anyone among us who can claim perfect self-control, especially over our sexual urges? If so, bravo, you should be canonized a saint. *clap* *clap* *clap*

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 2, 2008 3:07 AM | Report abuse

Oops, my post got submitted multiple times — my apologies!

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 2, 2008 3:09 AM | Report abuse

Moderator — please delete duplicate copies of my most recent posts. Where is the delete button? Arrggghh!

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 2, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse

Abstinence is not failed. Safe sex education is neccesary, but the urging of children to be in a safe, stable, emotionally mature relationship before having sex is not failed by a long shot.

Posted by: Koreyu | September 2, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse

'Koreyu' wrote: Safe sex education is neccesary, but the urging of children to be in a safe, stable, emotionally mature relationship before having sex is not failed by a long shot

Even better: tell children that sexual intercourse among humans is for two things: bonding, and babies. Therefore, it should be only for people who are in a stable, committed, emotionally mature relationship. I think that's called... marriage. Gee, who would've thought?

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 2, 2008 3:27 AM | Report abuse

'cazaleda' wrote: "But the girl is 5 months prengnant already and they still havent got married!"

Good question. Maybe they're saving up for their honeymoon? ;-)

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | September 2, 2008 3:31 AM | Report abuse

Does ANYone REALLY believe that a 17 year old girl doesn't know what can happen when she has sex with her boyfriend?

Sex education would have prevented her from becoming pregnant? That's just stupid!

Posted by: Gottabekindingright? | September 2, 2008 4:44 AM | Report abuse

GOD bless you, Mr King. Now the cracks in the crystal show and it didn't take long. This pregnancy epidemic crosses all spectra. No one is exempt, including the potential VP to be. The Palin's graciousness in handling this personal family problem might shine as an example of how to handle these sticky situations.

I do feel strongly about this: Children of the POTUS, VP,, and people running for these spots ought to be completely shielded from the prying eyes of the press, that would include this situation.

Posted by: socrates3333 | September 2, 2008 5:26 AM | Report abuse

I have to wonder how 'understanding' Palin supporters would have been if Chelsea Clinton had been unmarried and pregnant.
I remember when Rush called Chelsea 'ugly'.. imagine what he'd have said if she'd have gotten pregnant at 17.

Posted by: Gus | September 2, 2008 6:15 AM | Report abuse

Going raw in a young girl is just bad, risky and disease bound sex, no matter your economic stature. Well Palin family you just got punked by the media and have placed BLACK teen pregancy in a better realm.

NOw, we may pray and stay the course and never will I personally go astray for wrapping it up is a better way. VP nominee Palin you and daughter are dumb, hypocrits and should be ridiculed every turn at political stop, every media story aired or in print.

DO THE RIGHT THING and stay in the race for VPOTUS and let the democrats go all the way!!!
OBAMA-BIDEN team just got annother present from you ignorant deceitful repubs.. . THANK YOU and watch the democrats win without sin.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 6:45 AM | Report abuse

Do some liberals have any clue that people can actually learn something without having the government do it for them?

A child can be taught about sex and values by their parents, their church, their synogogue, their mosque - without having public school teacher do it.

I am making zero value judgement here. Just explaining that if a kid didn't learn about sex ed in school - it does not mean they are unknowledgeable.

Somehow, I have a sneaking suspicion that many teenagers actually do understand how babies are conceived. Like millions of teenagers who came before them - they just think it will not happen to THEM.

Posted by: Peg | September 2, 2008 7:09 AM | Report abuse

Both black Obama shills on the Washington Post staff, Eugene Robinson and Colbert I. King, are on the sleazy sexual attack again.

Seems like old times, this Spring, with sleazy and irrelevant sexual attacks on an Obama opponent, with the black Washington Post reporters rolling in the sexual mud and flinging themselves on the female candidate.

You could just cross out "Hillary" and write in "Sarah".

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

This is shocking to me. Now along with everything else in the US that has been minimized into acceptance, teen pregnancy will be accepted as being just fine and something we should all be cheering? Are you kidding me? This Palin was obviously an absentee mother whose own career was more important than supervising her teenage daughter.

Posted by: Carol M. Young | September 2, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
Just like this Spring against Hillary Clinton and her family

Ghetto misogynists launch irrelevant sexual attacks on female Obama opponent and family
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Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Well, So much for all of that morality stuff the Republicans try to hold over democrats.


Posted by: McSame as Bush | September 2, 2008 7:30 AM | Report abuse

If Sarah Palin was a Democrat, she would have forced the kid to have an abortion, and the problem would have been "disappeared".

That's why Democrats tend to forget that teenagers have sex despite how one might try to stop them, and have since the dawn of civilization.

That's also how Democrats first learn to lie to their families and lead double, dysfunctional sex lives.

In the Democratic Party, the behaviors of Elliot Spitzer and John Edwards is the norm.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 7:39 AM | Report abuse

I just think it is really awful that people are attacking a young 17 year old girl like this. I think those people should be ashamed for being so negative.

Personally, i think it is pathetic.

Posted by: Joanna | September 2, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Ok, so you waited all this time to find a white person worthy of tagging this on to, meanwhile, in the black community, thousands more 'baby mamas' suffered. I understand and regret the racism that faces your community (but, um, hey, blacks are racist too, you know), but the fact of the matter is that it's promoted, condoned, glorified in the black community. Something close to 52% of black women will never be married . . . eventually you're going to have to put down the victim schtick and take a serious look at the values your own community is promoting. Good luck.

Posted by: WassabiCracka | September 2, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

I think one of the issues surrounding this pregnancy that we must talk about is the fact that Sarah Palin believes in abstinence only sex education. With her daughter facing a teen pregnancy, we should talk about abstinence only as a failed policy. And Palin is against giving other girls and women a choice in choosing how to handle a pregnancy since Palin is anti-abortion. These are important issues raised by this news that we need to have a discussion about
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How stupid is this comment? Abstinence works. No one ever got pregnant who was abstinent. What doesn't work is giving out condoms like candy to adolescents. The pro-choicers are just angry at this family for making a choice not to abort. Good for them.

Posted by: Rick | September 2, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

All this because Sarah Palin's daughter is pregnant and because she complained about her brother in-law who admitted to using his department issued taser on his 11 year old stepson, drinking while driving his Trooper car, and shooting an animal illegally? She should have complained. The man was suspended for 10 days as a result of his conduct. He is a huge liability for the state and ultimately her responsibility.

So, her daughter's pregnant? Why bother speculating about where, when, and how it happened? It makes you sound kind of crazy. Don't waste your vote on this issue.

Look at what Sarah Palin has accomplished as governor of Alaska and at the bigger picture that she represents. Write about those issues.

So far, many of these posts seem to be limited to unfounded beliefs about what Sarah Palin is or isn't thinking. You aren't Sarah Palin so you probably don't know what she is thinking. Also, spend less time writing about what you don't know and more time looking into the facts.

Posted by: Kathy | September 2, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Victor Panlilio wrote: 'HiloBob' gloated prematurely: "The truly enjoyable show will be watching Joe Biden shred her in the debates"

Really? The CFO of a very large publicly-traded company told me not long ago, after meeting Gov. Palin: "She's not only tough as nails, she eats them for breakfast."
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Victor, I wonder she will do debating a brilliant man who not only knows far more than she does, but will comport himself as a gentleman while proving it?

We already have a vice president who eats
nails for breakfast. Do we really want another? Thanks, I will take one who eats
a bowl of wheaties, or maybe just a danish
on the Amtrak :)

Posted by: Jacke Blue | September 2, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

NO ONE has a problem with someone whose daughter happens to get pregnant at 16. (LIFE HAPPENS)

What every woman voter I have spoken with-(and many men for that matter) have a HUGE PROBLEM WITH IS WHAT SARAH PALIN STANDS FOR!!!

Is John McCain really that stupid that he would think people wouldnt see the Earth-shattering IRONY in the fact that he meets with this woman TWICE in this life before electing her and that if elected, she would--

1. Preach ABSTINENCE EDUCATION only for Sex Ed to the rest of our daughters when it failed miserably in her own family

2. BAN CONTRACEPTION for the women of this country!-(ARE YOU KIDDING US)?????

3. If the daughters of America are VICTIM of RAPE or INCEST, she would actually REFUSE THEM the right to a safe and legal abortion, even when the woman's life is in danger????

This is an insult of HISTORICAL PROPORTION to women nation and world-wide. If John McCain thinks the women of America are going to sit by, and let this completely unqualified HACK destroy the rights we have worked for centuries for, then he has another think coming!!

This choice does nothing but highlight McCain's horrible judgement and complete disrespect for women in this country.

VOTE VOTE VOTE

NO WAY, NO HOW, NO MCCAIN!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

While Sarah Palin has her personal opinions on various issues such as abortion or sex education, she has not attempted to introduce any legislation to change the existing laws. Sex education is taught in middle school in Alaska. Abortion is legalized. Teenagers have the legally protected right to obtain birth control and to abort a fetus at age 16, without parental consent. Gay and lesbian couples have the legal right to adopt children in Alaska. The death penalty does not exist in Alaska. Do these laws really sound that conservative? Does it appear that Sarah Palin is trying to force feed her personal beliefs to those in Alaskan that she serves? I don't think so.

Posted by: Kathy | September 2, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Though I too had a child out of wedlock and as a teenage mother, I surely don't want this for my three granddaughters. This generational curse began with my mom, passed on to me, and then to my teenage daughter and teenage son. I pray that this curse is broken and will end without claiming the lives of my granddaughters. While the children are not the curse, the spirit of it is. For the many, many teenage girls and boys in our country, I ask, do we really need someone that could possibly live in the white house be this kind of example? I worry that my granddaughters will also join the many women in the Washington,DC area and across our country who have HIV. I want my granddaughters to live! I don't want the generations of young women in my family and thoughout our country to continue to suffer this. My mom married at age 16 and that was a good thing in the site of God and man, but I remember the pain my parents suffered trying to maintain as a young family. My mom suffered a breakdown and my dad suffered daily in his attempt to provide for a wife and five children. After years of struggle, they divorced before we had all grown up still leaving my mom to raise us for the most part, alone. I would never suggest to my granddaughters to have an abortion, but I would do ALL that I could to help them to live!

Posted by: Dee | September 2, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

At least someone at the Post is capable of showing compassion and level headedness - without injecting politics into it.

Posted by: David | September 2, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's real failure as a mother is not in forcing her 16-yo pregnant child to deliver the baby, and not forcing her to marry the 18-yo redneck father, but in accepting (even campaigning for) the nomination as vice president. This self-centered choice will force Bristol into the public eye, at a time of excruciating difficulty for any teen. If Sarah were my sister I'd tell her to get on the phone and offer her resignation as a nominee, immediately, to put Bristol's life ahead of her own. All the cheap talk about "love and support" doesn't mean anything, actions speak louder than words.

Posted by: Dave Roberts | September 2, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

First, Mr. King knows full well the pitfalls in using selective anecdotes to make a point about a major issue involving hundreds of thousands, even millions, of people. Case in point: Ronald Reagan like to tell the story about the person showing up in a Cadillac to collect her welfare check. True or untrue, that story told us nothing about th overall issue of federal welfare.

Similarly, this one white girl's pregnancy tells us nothing about the issue of illegitimacy in the black community. She does not live in a neighborhood where the illegitimacy rate is approaching 70 percent. She is not part of an underclass with that illegitimate rate.

In fact, Bristol's pregnancy seems to prove the opposite of the point Mr. King is trying to make. Her family members are not largely poor, uneducated, and unemployed. She will not be left to raise her child virtually by herself. She will have abundant pre-natal care. Her child will be raised in a nurturing environment, where he/she will be read to and talked to and given tender loving care. The child will attend the best day care facility, and the odds say he/she will receive an excellent education.

In short, the odds are not stacked against this child being a success, the way they are against an illegitimate black child. This pregnancy is a deviation from the norm, not a reinforcement of an existing dysfunctional environment. That's the difference.

Secondly, I applaud the forgiveness, compassion, and understanding the Palin parents have shown toward their pregnant, unwed teenager.

Now, what an excellent time to use that same spirit of forgiveness, compassion, and understanding to discuss:

--Gay rights in America, focused on gay civil unions, gay marriage, and gays in the military.
--The right of women to follow their own consciences and their doctor's advice in determining whether to have an abortion.
--Adequate health care, immediately, for all Americans.
--The need to do more to help less fortunate Americans to get a home, an education, or a job.
--The need to impose more fair taxes on super-rich Americans, to help pay for the above.

I look forward to the Republicans, in general, and their evangelical Christian wing, in particular, joining the Democrats in discussing the above issues in the same spirit of love, understanding, and compassion they have shown toward an unmarried, pregnant teenager.

Let the debate begin.

IT'S THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, STUPID

Posted by: GeorgiaSon | September 2, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

This article represents the HUGE difference between how an inner city (non white) pregnant girl vs white, upperclass daughter of the govenor are treated.

Is anyone really surprized?

I just don't understand how Palin can be so "happy" about her teenage daughter screwing up her life.

And I don't understand is why Palin isn't home taking care of her downs symdrome infant, and her pregnant 17 year old.
Seems to me with her family situation she cares only about her ambitions and not her family and the fact that they need her at home more than on a campaign trail running behind McCain. She looks like his grand daughter.

Posted by: Muppet | September 2, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

I'll preface my comments with this: I think principles should rule the day when it comes to governance, not morality. Protecting the rights of the people to believe what they wish is the most important thing. However, the facts are critically important, and the facts are that abstinence-only is not the most effective way to prevent unwanted pregancies.

It simply does not work for most. And where it is successful, it requires incredible diligence -- a very long and difficult conversation between parents and children which many parents, regardless of race or moral position, find daunting. Therefore, parents need the involvement of schools to help educate. I am not suggesting parents should abdicate their responsibility, far from it. Some posters seem to suggest that's the inevitable consequence of sex education but I disagree.

I understand the reluctance of parents to pass this dialog to the schools, but I think you need the community to reinforce education about sex and pregnancy. Take drug use. I can only speak anecdotally, but in our community, drug use of all kinds, including alcohol, among teens came down significantly over the last ten years. I credit diligent parents, but also schools, teachers and the especially the kids themselves. They seem to have developed a culture that recognizes the negative consequences of drug use. I think this is a direct result of the whole community getting their arms around this discussion over a number of years between numerous classes of kids and teachers and parents.

Obviously, I think the holistic approach is best. First, the facts need to be presented, then the discussion between kids and their parents, clergy, teachers and, especially among each other, takes place. A frank discussion among peers is unlikely to occur without a forum, and the schools are the most likely place where an open discussion can take place. That's where kids bring the arguments they find at church and home to test them against their peers. I've witnessed these discussions -- they are healthy and real. I think even the most liberal and conservative-minded kids find the debate invigorating, and in the end many develop an informed tolerance for all views.

That's why I think Bristol Palin's pregnancy is relevant in that her mom apparently does not want this kind of discussion to take place. In the end, no parent can completely police the behavior of their children. It does, indeed, take a village. When we take schools out of the mix, it drives our kids to find answers elsewhere, and it's not necessarily going to be their parents.

Posted by: Mike Farrace | September 2, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

We are delusional if we believe that an adolescent's parents are the only influences in determining whether or not that youth has sex and/or becomes pregnant. Maybe it is in part, these beliefs, that make us a country without a clue.

The youth in this country are inundated with sex and sexuality. It is now in the fabric of our culture. This is not a family issue. This is a national issue that won't be resolved by attacking Sarah Palin. We all need to take some responsibility for the fact that our children are being taught that the sexual images, ideas, and thoughts that they are exposed to is what is desirable.

If you believe that an unplanned pregnancy cannot happen with your children because "you’re a great and righteous parent" you are not living in reality.

Posted by: Kathy | September 2, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Stay at home to take care of her baby who has down's syndrome? He is a baby and does what all other babies do at his age. What special care do you think that he requires?

Posted by: Kathy | September 2, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

SWMissouri wrote: "Apparently John McCain has no feeling whatsoever or he would not have put this woman and her family in this predicament. What does that say about John McCain’s judgment?"

-------------------------------------------Um hello? Ms Palin put HERSELf (and her family) in this position. McCain didn'nt hold a gun to her head and MAKE accept the VP nomination.

Palin appears to be so ambitious she's willing the throw her family under the bus for her political career.

Posted by: Muppet | September 2, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

While Sarah Palin has her personal opinions on various issues such as abortion or sex education, she has not attempted to introduce any legislation to change the existing laws. Sex education is taught in middle school in Alaska. Abortion is legalized. Teenagers have the legally protected right to obtain birth control and to abort a fetus at age 16, without parental consent. Gay and lesbian couples have the legal right to adopt children in Alaska. The death penalty does not exist in Alaska. Do these laws really sound that conservative? Does it appear that Sarah Palin is trying to force feed her personal beliefs to those in Alaskan that she serves? I don't think so.

Posted by: Kathy | September 2, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

If Sarah Palin was elected as VP and half way through her term in office, her 17 year old daughter became pregnant, would you expect her to resign and pack up and go home?

Posted by: Kathy | September 2, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

There are two issues relating to the Palin daughter's pregnancy.

First, why a mother would choose her career agenda vs her daughter/family need for privacy, a circling of the wagons, and general remembering that family is first questions the "family values" issue.

Secondly, Mrs. Palin's position of abstinence only vs sex education in the schools does affect all of us as she could be the president of the US including in a position for selecting a Supreme Court Justice.

This pregnancy does need to be outed. If Palin didn't want it in the national media she should have passed on the job offer.

Posted by: tinkeraw | September 2, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Georgiason wrote: Similarly, this one white girl's pregnancy tells us nothing about the issue of illegitimacy in the black community. She does not live in a neighborhood where the illegitimacy rate is approaching 70 percent. She is not part of an underclass with that illegitimate rate.

In fact, Bristol's pregnancy seems to prove the opposite of the point Mr. King is trying to make. Her family members are not largely poor, uneducated, and unemployed. She will not be left to raise her child virtually by herself. She will have abundant pre-natal care. Her child will be raised in a nurturing environment, where he/she will be read to and talked to and given tender loving care. The child will attend the best day care facility, and the odds say he/she will receive an excellent education.
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Georgiason, not matter who or where she is,
a pregnant girl needs compassion, not ridicule. If she has difficult life circumstances, she is more at risk and needs help and compassion all the more.
The common thread is, what are we doing
to give all girls the best start they can get? Teen-age motherhood isn't it. Lucky for Ms. Palin's daughter, she has a supportive family. Other girls are even more at risk when they become pregnant.
At this point, they need life skills, not abstinence programs.

We may think that how girls in those 70% neighborhoods live their lives is none of our concern. But if that is what you think, I think you are wrong.

Posted by: Olive | September 2, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Colbert King,

Your article is a good one and well-written. Teen pregnancy has never been primarily an African-American issue.
When I was a boy (50 plus years ago)white girls in my Catholic grammar school(about the 7th or 8th grade) were active with white guys. I don't know if any of them became pregnant, but one has to assume probably so.

All kids like sex based on their natural hormonal drive. Race has nothing to do with it. The real issue is this in my opinion: should children be allowed to use condoms? My answer is yes because their use may prevent unwanted births as well as help to curb certain diseases. What is so wrong with that? This is beneficial to them, not detrimental. They will have intercourse regardless.

A certain religion espouses using the rhythm method to help avoid pregnancy. Most people know that it is not reliable,
many of whom have 10 children they cannot afford to properly care for.

Abstinence would certainly work, but based on my own personal experience when young and my observation of other young people, it is impractical since so few people will adhere to it. It's wishful thinking.

We need better parents, better parental guidance, a change in our value systems where we value education and prosperity instead of just "fooling around". Just as an example, many people from Asia have these value instilled in them based on their traditional family attitudes. Attitude is all important and it is up to the educational system and parents and community leaders to instill a positive attitude toward studies and work into very young children in every school in every neighborhood. That is the only way this nation and it's people will succeed, because we are rapidly falling behind other countries as I type this.

We need better Black, white, Asian and Latino leadership. Forget the preachers and their diatribes! Let's get on with business. I applaude the efforts the mayor of Washington D.C. has taken regarding their schools and their children.

Posted by: sanity | September 2, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse


the issue of bristol's pregnancy should not be confused.

it is not that she is a pregnant teenager.

it is that her mother feels compelled to structure her priorities such that she sends this child, at a needy time, to live far away, with her aunt, from this "unconditional love", while she devotes her time to campaigning.

how can she be expected to put "country first", when she doesn't allocate such effort for her own child?

Posted by: jazzgrrrl25 | September 2, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Is it possible that McCain made a deal with her to run as VP and conservative (to please the evangelical right) woman and then allow her to resign after the election in view of all her issues with motherhood/pregnant daughter? What is the process for naming a new VEEP in that situation? Is that a way to get Lieberman in the office (i.e., get elected with a "conservative woman" and then fill her vacant spot with the 'real' VP choice)?

Posted by: karday | September 2, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Republicans are bigots. They are quick to condemn minority teens who are pregnant, but rushed to support Bristol Palin.

Evangelicals think that sex before marriage is a moral failure. Sarah Palin was pregnant before she married. The same is true of her daughter. But, Evangelicals think that pregnant minority teens deserve scorn.

Why don't these people care that as vp Palin would have no time for her kids? Doesn't quality of life outside the womb matter? As Governor of Alaska, Palin had little time for her kids. She guzzled Red Bull to keep herself going.

Yet, Palin had time to do what she loves: killing animals for fun. She also had time to attend Iditarod musher banquets. (Palin supports running dogs to death in the Iditarod.)

Posted by: Plugged-in | September 2, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Young females and males, beginning at 12 0n average, become creation machines like the rest of the animal, vegetable, and insect kingdoms. Every single cell in our bodies is ready for creation!! And we flaunt it, we all
attempt to find a mate to mate! Yet we have this collective drive to stop it all!! How dumb is that!!

Posted by: Jeff Crocket | September 2, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

karday:
Some say she may be the next Harriet Meiers. I hope so.

Posted by: sanity | September 2, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Why make allegations that you know nothing about?

This is a perfect example of the problem.....blame this person, that person, this group, that group, blame anybody but ourselves. Our way is the right way. This is the type of attitude and belief system that is leaving our children without parents that can be in the here and now.

Posted by: Kathy | September 2, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Yhea. That strategy makes sense. Run for office and once we get elected, quit. Where did that come from? It is obvious that we live in a time dominated by reality television.

Posted by: KC | September 2, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Conservative Republicans in this day and age are dangerous. Republicans are usually dangerous because they fear everything and everyone around them. They have a short-fuse and are intolerant. That is just their nature because they have allowed themselves to become that way. I'm not sure that they are aware of their disfuction.

In contrast, there have been more sensible Republicans in the past although I certainly did not agree with them on all issues. Two I regard well are Gerald Ford
and Christie-Todd_Whitman (N.J.)

Posted by: sanity | September 2, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

"Republicans are usually dangerous because they fear everything and everyone around them."

These postings are full of conspiracy theory type allegations made by people who appear fearful and paranoid. Maybe a little projection?

Posted by: Kathy | September 2, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

"Apparently...Palin doesn't feel like Obama...who said babies were a "punishment" to young women."

It was obvious to me that punishment, of which Obama spoke is administered by society,those who scrutinize the unwed mother; the embarassement that is associated with unwed mothers;
The hardships,(job,child care,housing, transportation,insurance,food,lack of finances & family support)that follow raising a child as a single parent;
A child who will be given less because more isn't available. The hopes & dreams of a young mother being put off until later.

These are the things of which he spoke. The consequences of our actions, (good or bad). We reap what we sow.

Posted by: M.H | September 2, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Fortunately, Sarah Palin's daughter has a supportive family. However, the reality is what you describe. Society punishes those that are seen as having less value. This includes young and single parents.

Posted by: Kathy | September 2, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

It's nice to see the masses still think in the "Us and Them" mentality. It would appear group idenity is all important! Never fear, blindness and stupidity will eventually cull the herd.

Posted by: Independent thought | September 2, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The mainstream media is avoiding what may be the real issue: that in fact Bristol Palin is not pregnant now but delivered a child in April of this year, the child named Trig claimed to be Sarah Palin's.

Research by alternative media is revealing that:
1) In March of this year, Sarah Palin first announced her "pregnancy" one month before the child was born. Friends and coworkers had been unaware of it, and she did not look pregnant.
2) Bristol Palin was out of school for five months (allegedly due to mononucleosis) at the time Trig was born.
3) Sarah Palin was at a Texas conference in April when she claims her "water broke". She delivered a speech to the conference, then traveled to a backwoods hospital in Wasilla Alaska (where she was mayor and has great influence) to "deliver".
4) Photos of Bristol Palin in late 2007 show that she, not her mother, appeared to be pregnant.

I agree that 17-year-old Bristol Palin should be off-limits, but Sarah Palin, as vice-presidential candidate, gets no such free pass.

If she has deceived the American people by claiming her daughter's child is her own, covering up that falsehood by saying that her daughter is now pregnant, we deserve to know.

Why is the McCain camp sending a large group of "vetters" to Alaska now - to get more information about Palin or to dispose of the evidence against her?????

Posted by: bam | September 2, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

It is amazing how when the shoes are on the other foot then all of a sudden we should do an about face. When this issue was thought to be a problem only confined to the Black community, it was then limited to irresponsible mothers and the community not doing what was necessary to prevent such immorality. Here it is a lot of those folks espousing those views coming face-to-face with just the opposite and now it is time for compassion????

Where were all this compassion when it was little black girls?

Posted by: Heavy | September 2, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

why is everyone on these forums always so angry?

Posted by: dan | September 2, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

the Questioner wrote:

"It is possible that her daughter was using birth control and it didn't work. I can tell you from personal experience that it happens. I can't believe how quickly everyone is jumping to the conclusion that she wasn't using any."

Maybe because Mommy is such a strong believer in abstinence, the daughter was afraid to use any sort of birth control? What if Mommy found out?

no birth control, no clues.

Posted by: hmpierson | September 2, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

What IS political about the pregancy of the running mate's daughter is not even the pregnancy itself. It is the utter deception of the republicans to not let this information be public at the time of McCain's announcement of Palin as his running mate. Do you think McCain would have gotten any kind of a bump if the information regarding the teen pregnancy was released at the time of the announcement of McCain's running mate?

"Skeevy" is the only word I can use to describe this deception. Both dems and repubs have been deceived, plain and simple - or doesn't anyone get it? That's the unethical style of McCain - timing is everything here, and McCain should have responsibly disclosed exactly how much family baggage his running mate was carrying at the time of his announcement.

Posted by: Geoff | September 2, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Well, of course the difference is in the different circumstances of Palin's family as compared to those of the people you wrote about.
Palin's family can support their child's child;she will not likely be dependent on the Government for Medicaid, etc. Their child will not experience the deleterious effects of poverty, like the others will.
Beyond the narrow economic point, the Palins have a family (i. e., mother and father), and the daughter may even have a husband soon. Single parenthood, especially generation after generation, aggravates the economic issue and creates many more.
Instead of questioning your readers' reactions,(racist ignorance notwithstanding) the better question is how can you compare the two situations?

Posted by: JAE | September 2, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

If abortion were the answer for teen pregnancy, BARACK OBAMA WOULD NOT BE WITH US, as HIS MOTHER GAVE BIRTH TO HIM WHEN SHE WAS 18!

Bristol Palin is assuming responsibility for her pregnancy, something that abortionists can't bring themselves to do.

Posted by: ttj | September 2, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

It's amazing how almost all the Palin critics on here keep saying she is bad and/or crazy for abstinence only education. Actually, Sarah has long been known to advocate not just abstinence but also birth control. She thinks abstinence is the morally correct thing, but she also is aware that people are human and many have different values and beliefs, and for those contraception is a better alternative than unprotected sex.

So before you continue to spout off about Mrs. Palin perhaps more of you should do some REAL research and stop making yourselves look foolish. Support Sarah or oppose her politically, but at least make sure you know what you are talking about and not making false accusations.

Posted by: cleve | September 2, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans talk about tolerance and how the liberals don't have any....I think we have lost our patience with the evangelicals taking over our country and mixing religion with politics. Mr. McCain's choice in Ms. Palin is total POLITICS and nothing else. This is hypocricy at it's peak.

Posted by: jaleh | September 2, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

For those of you who are questioning Ms. Palin's parenting skills, well Jeffrey Dahmer had nice parents. Many of you are grasping at straws if you feel the need to make a mountain out of this mole hill. But we'll allow you to waste your time bloviating on this non-issue.

Posted by: Adrian | September 2, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Debray wrote: ..Palin is more qualified than Clinton and Obama who has no experience even running a lemonade stand:

You see, Debray, it's statments like this that make us look like idiots all over the world. For your information, experience is not a substitute for skills or judgement. Evidently, you were asleep while Clinton was President for 8 years and brought all sorts of prosperity to this country. And the last time I heard, Chelsea is not pregnant.

As for Obama, the whole country has agreed that he has run the most brilliant NATIONAL campaign and Convention. If experience alone was the barometer for being president, everyone over 60, indeed everyone over 70 would qualify. Maybe, even I could be president.

If you listen carefully, it is this dishonesty and disingenous behavior, exhibited by you, that Obama is trying to change in this country. Have some respect for the intelligence of your fellow Americans - I for one deeply resent your stupidity in posting in a forum where we strive to have an intelligent discussion.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

The comments being made in response to this article are very enlightening. So many people just don't want to face facts; instead, they seek to promote their own narrow agendas.

To those who say "abstinence works 100% of the time": here is a case where stating the truth, is misleading. Here's why: Of course abstinence works when it is practiced. The fallacy in the argument is that people understand that abstinence works, but still, they don't always abstain. Sometimes, when they ignore what they know (abstinence always works), when they ignore that, they get pregnant. So, for human beings, knowing that abstinence works, fails to prevent pregnancy. Please -- get real. People fail to abstain even when they understand that abstinence prevents pregnancy. So "abstinence only" programs DO NOT WORK in practice. If only people weren't human -- then "abstinence only" would be a perfect solution.

To those who defend the idea that it is preferable to deny science than it is to acknowledge scientific fact: that is ridiculous. Don't be surprised if you are ridiculed. Global warming is caused, in part, by human activity. Embryonic stem cell research offers a high level of potential to ease human suffering for specific diseases. Evolution is a fact. Creationism is a flawed theory with zero scientific basis. Just because you think reality should conform to your beliefs, reality remains reality. Sorry about that.

After eight years under the leadership of a closed-minded, religion driven, incurious, power hungry zealot, it is past time for change. We need talented, intelligent leaders who understand reality, whose minds are open, who seek to avoid war, and who value human life at every stage...not just during the fetal period.

Posted by: Ed Sommers | September 2, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

to:If abortion were the answer for teen pregnancy, BARACK OBAMA WOULD NOT BE WITH US, as HIS MOTHER GAVE BIRTH TO HIM WHEN SHE WAS 18!

Bristol Palin is assuming responsibility for her pregnancy, something that abortionists can't bring themselves to do.

Posted by: ttj | September 2, 2008 10:44 AM


Barack Obama's mother did not have a choice, it was illegal. All we want is to keep having the choice, when you Republicans do not want us to have that choice. AND, his grand-parents raised him, is our V.P. going to raise the new child? Maybe she needs to spend more time with her children and educating them. I don't want to sound like she should not work, but aren't evangelical believer in at home mom?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

The Evangelical Right usually cherry-picks thir biblical passages so I'll follow their lead:

Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone

They've been casting cultural stones and aspersions for quite some time attacking the poor and less fortunate (how very Christian!)as well as their political defenders (the vile rumors they hatched about the Clintons to cite just one example)...now they are preaching tolerance and forgiveness. At least there's some of that among all their vitriolic rants...would that there is more tolerance and forgiveness. More likely, perhaps we'll read some religious voodoo in November that Palin's political demise is God's punishment for their daughter's sins...or that Gustav spared NOLA because so many poor and black ne'er do wells left the city...

There's another famous saying, albeit non-Biblical, made popular by none other than Malcolm X...The chickens are coming home to roost.

Posted by: Richard | September 2, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Will Bristal and husband to be put a trailer on the white house lawn if Sarah becomes vp. 1600 Pa ave trailor park or subsidized housing (welfare at its best).

Posted by: mt | September 2, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, Cleve. Sarah Palin does support sex education in schools and the use of birth control. As the governor, she has input over the budgets that include funding for sex education, birth control, elective abortions, etc. Alaska's Medicaid program continues to pay for elective abortions. In addition, Alaska has a no parental consent law that allows minors age 16 and older to obtain birth control, emergency birth control, and elective abortions without parental consent. This is what the people have supported. Governor Palin has not introduced any legislation to change these laws. So, it doesn't appear that she wants to control everyone's life after all. In fact, Governor Palin stays pretty focused on those issues that she was elected to address.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Will Bristal and husband to be put a trailer on the white house lawn if Sarah becomes vp. 1600 Pa ave trailor park or subsidized housing (welfare at its best).

Posted by: mt | September 2, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I agree. Palin's daughter's decisions whether to have premarital sex, keep a baby, and get married at 17 are HER business. She should be left alone.

If my daughter did the same thing, she should be left alone.

Similarly, if she decided to not get married, and raise the child as a single mother, she should be left alone.

Likewise, if she decided to give up the baby for adoption, she should be left alone.

On the same note, if she decided that she is not ready to give birth and wanted to terminate the pregnancy, she should be left alone.

It's very simple. Do you want people to respect your privacy, let your family make its own decisions free of guilt and judgment, and leave you alone? THEN DO THE SAME FOR EVERYONE ELSE AND LEAVE US ALONE!!

Posted by: BigMikeinDC | September 2, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"Will Bristal and husband to be put a trailer on the white house lawn if Sarah becomes vp. 1600 Pa ave trailor park or subsidized housing (welfare at its best)."


This is exactly what is wrong with our country. This is a perfect example of what we have reduced ourselves to in order to feel superior. We try to find flaws in others and point them out regardless of the impact or the relevance. It has become the only way in which we know how to form an identity. Unfortunately, we are now in a place where children will kill one another over an ipod.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

It’s good to read something other than vituperative attacks from King. This column actually makes sense and is not offensive.

Posted by: John | September 2, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Despots almost always invoke the name of God. Read some of "you know who's" speeches in Germany and you will clearly see that God was on his side.

Posted by: sanity | September 2, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I don't want to see white trash in the White House.

Posted by: sanity | September 2, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Bristol and Levi's unplanned entrance into parenthood is NOT a repudiation of Gov. Palin's principles. Their responsible acceptance of the consequences of their behavoir DOES illustrate clearly that they were tought to accept responsibility for their actions and not blame others for their questionalble choices. Because of their responsible choices, like Sen. Obama and 10s of millions of other American citizens born of teenage parents, thier yet to be born child COULD on day be a candidate to represent all Americans. I don't know about the rest of you but I NEVER invited my mother and father to give on site advice and supervision of my sexual activity! One more thought. . . Why do so many of you want to designate a 17 year old woman who accepts responsibility for her actions a CHILD and a 14 year old who avoids responsibility via abortion a WOMAN?

Posted by: Jake Bechtel | September 2, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

All this being said, the consequences of one's actions are ultimately their own to bear. Of course Bristol will have support from her parents and other family, but the fact that she and her intended husband have become fodder in the limelight are the consequences of their own actions. Not of the VP running mate.

They will indeed begin the process of growing up now. They have no choice. I am happy they will have the support of parents who also have a life of their own along the way.

Posted by: imellag | September 2, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

How many times must this be shouted before you will hear?

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE DAUGHTER.

Our concern should be focused on Sarah Palin's inability to be a good mother. If she can't be a good mother - an act that God created us to do - then how can she lead our nation should McCain die?

LEAVE THE DAUGHTER OUT OF THIS. The right is trying to make this about the daughter and that is a shame.

Posted by: Martiniano | September 2, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

PIGS PIGS.BLACK RACIST PIGS!!

Posted by: Ray | September 2, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

TALE OF THE TAPE ON CELEBRATED TEEN
PREGNANCY & FAMILY VALUES.

1. Name of Teenage Culprit:
a. Jamie Lynn Spears
b. Bristol Palin

2. Age at Pregnancy:
a. 16 years
b. 17 years

3. State of Pregnancy at time of Publicity:
a. 3 months
b. 5 months

4. Notable Relative:
a. Sister, Britney Spears, an acclaimed
celebrity who has Sen. John McCain as
an unwilling fan.
b. Mother, Sarah Palin, Alaska Gov. and
GOP's vice-presidential nominee.

5. Deliberate Public Effort at Hiding Baby
Bump:
a. Wore a big oversized coat to conceal
pregnancy.
b. Used a camouflaged blanket to carry
baby-brother over her swollen and
protruding stomach during her mother's
introduction as John McCain's running
mate.

6. Family Image:
a. Somewhat Dysfunctional.
b. High moral ground.

7. Public Image:
a. Laissez-faire.
b. Hypocrites.

LESSON:

Sen. John McCain's judgments over serious and critical matters are suspiciously faulty. And, it will always come alive whenever his error-tainted gene becomes dominant. I weep for you, America!

Posted by: REGGIE BILLY | September 2, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

The real issue, as I understand it from reading Colbert King’s column of July 18, is that teen pregnancy is an especially urgent problem in the poorest D.C. neighborhoods with the most broken families. Many of the babies from those neighborhoods grow up deprived of adequately nurturing support systems, and, as a result – and unsurprisingly – a disproportionate percentage of them get into various trouble, which King has documented in his columns. Children born out of wedlock in middle-class families are -- unsurprisingly – likely to have more nurturing support. Bristol Palin’s pregnancy is a couple of days’ worth of headlines, but the young woman’s and her boy friend’s baby is far more likely to develop healthily and safely than an out-of-wedlock baby born to a teen in, say, the Trinidad section of D.C.

Posted by: Tom Grubisich | September 2, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I agree people should express compassion but please don't miss the point Mr. King. It is Fatherlessness.

The problem is not that babies are being born to young mothers although it would be best for them to wait until marriage and graduation because having a child before graduating High School is a high indicator of a future life of poverty, the problem is when there is no Father to take his responsibility to love and care for the mother of the child and his baby.

Fatherlessness is at 70% in the inner city as of 2007.

Children born to Fatherless homes have a 60% rate of school drop out, are at high risk for drug abuse, double the rate for suicide and anorexia , higher rates of women abuse and child abuse and are much more likely to spend time in prison.

Men who sweet talk young women into unprotected sex and who have no intention of raising their own sons and daughters
are in a word cowards.

Posted by: Mike in Nevada | September 2, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I think there is confusion that McCain supporters think Democrats are suggesting the kid should have an abortion. Speaking for myself, I think the BIGGEST problem is this whole "abstinence-only" bullsh*t that Palin promotes. It's the same kind of education that allowed apartheid to go on for so long - just DENY children with information that they need.

Posted by: jjb | September 2, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

McCain showed his colors by ignoring a number of seasoned, credible vice presidential picks thinking any woman would appeal to Hillary voters, so he goes for a rookie governor from a low population state, who is undereducated and a mouthpiece for Christian fundamentalism. I am in doubt about McCain's ability to work well under pressure to make a sober, considered choice. I like John, but how can Americans trust his unsteady hand on the wheel of the mother ship? The economy is in trouble, we have a staggering deficit, we are bogged down in Iraq and violence is escalating in Afghanistan, war is simmering in Georgia, health care costs are out of control, unemployment is up, we can't fund Social Security, oil prices have skyrocketed and the planet is beginning to sizzle. Obama and Biden are serious people, and at least stand a chance of keeping their wits about them.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Hooray for you, Colbert King! We are all Americans, and we all deserve respect. Thanks for your positive comments and your grace and mercy toward others!!! Having worked with substance users, I can affirm that unplanned pregnancy is no respecter of persons!!

Posted by: Sara Mclain | September 2, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

As I have been reading these post it seems to me that there are many reading this that forget about what it was really like before Roe vs Wade. I can remember as a high school student friends who disappeared from school and if we saw them on the street we were not suppose to talk to them. We didn't know exactly why but we were going to get into real trouble if we did. It was like they had a disease and if they chose to raise the child they were condemned for life by the holier than thou people. It is good that we are having this debate because it is a real issue in this country.
Again with this VP choice John McCain has brought this to the national front as he wanted to do and shore up his conservative base. Well I am a Christian Catholic and I will tell you I have live through both eras and this one is better than before. If the Christian right were really in favor of a girl doing as Sarah Palin's daughter wouldn't the Bush adminstration and others do more for families and working moms so that the alternatives woul d not be necessary. The conservatives had their chance with both houses in control of congress and democrats unable to get a majority. They didn't do things in favor of families in fact they cut policies,so family values?? I vote for the ones who are at least honest about things. I am voting for Barrack Obama at least he is honest on how he feels.

Posted by: Anita J | September 2, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

It is sexist to suggest that because Palin has a young child (special needs or no)that she is being a bad mother for continuing to rise in her profession. As has been said by many others, this would not be said if it were a male candidate. I still say everyone should wait and see how she does in her convention speech and in the VP debate before they rush to say whether she is smart enough or not for the job.

Posted by: Georgetowner1 | September 2, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Let comment on this post

"""Mr King,

You are a good man, Charlie Brown. I'm not sure that many of us would be as graceful in analyzing the issues of the day as you are, were we black."""
Here, the poster and I agree

"""But I do think that Gov Palin should be understood and appreciated by the American people for her extreme right wing political philosophy,"""
Extreme? Not to a very large part of the population.

""" which is most apparent in her views on abortion (which she doesn't even support in cases of rape and incest)"""
This is a problem shared by many people. While I personally feel that the only real reason for a abortion is to protect the mothers life, I also tend to agree with it for rape or incest but am not 100% behind it.

""" and sex education. Her views that abstinence only education are supported by about 10% of our society."""
You will have to admit that the only 100% sure way to prevent pregnancy and STD's is abstinence. Now if other methods should also be taught is something open to debate.

"""She's even more out of touch than McCain."""
Depends on your point of view

"""She may be an ex-beauty queen. She may have some compelling family issues. But we should focus on what her impact would be on this country in the areas of peace,"""
While she can make suggestions, the final decision will come from McCain.

""" prosperity, education, health care,"""
These are all areas that the federal government has no business being in. No where in the constitution are you guaranteed to prosper, get an education or health care. You are guaranteed the right to try for the best of them you can, but it is not the governments business to get them for you.

""" energy independence,"""
Again this is a decision to be made by McCain, she can have input and some of the things she has pushed for would help but she would not make the final decision.

""" and the environment."""
This is a matter that many people and scientists disagree on. Right now no one is sure who has the right questions much less the right answers and don't give me that"it is decided". It isn't. Many scientists disagree with man made and more are coming over to it. Who will finally be proven right, I have no idea although I do have my own opinion.

"""Palin should tell us what she thinks of the corrupt elite using lobbyists to rig the system in their favor,"""
As long as all the elite, no matter who or what party or whatever is included, I can agree.

""" what she thinks of corporate greed that is subsidized by taxpayer bailouts,"""
My opinion, it shouldn't happen. Period.

""" what her plan to solve the housing crisis is, how deep she thinks it is, etc."""
The government should stay out of it. They should not help any party, be it lender, home owner or whoever. Let the market work it out and maybe more people could afford houses are reasonable prices after it does and this is from a home owner, who pays his mortgage each month, without asking the government to help me, and has seen my property value go down although it is still higher than when I bought and may again go up some day..

"""All the best,"""
Same for you

Posted by: Deep Blue | September 1, 2008 5:04 PM

Posted by: Rick | September 2, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

So let me see if I understand this correctly:

1. Bristol Palin is now five months pregnant.
2. The father has now been identified as Levi Johnston, a young aspiring hockey star.
3. The two make quite a photogenic couple, and have been identified by locals as high school sweethearts.
4. Along with announcing the pregnancy, the Palins’ announced that Bristol intends to wed the father. No time frame is given.

So, my question is, what the hell is taking them so long? Pure speculation, sure, but could it be that Levi (self-proclaimed redneck though he is) is holding out for a paternity test? Could there be a role for Maury Povich in the McCain administration?

Posted by: Bill B. | September 2, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Georgetowner1:

She's not a male candidate, she's supposed to be a mother.

Posted by: sanity | September 2, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin, who talked about family values, about abstinence before marriage, obviously neglected her five children. Those words fell on the deaf neglected ears of the people most important in her life - her own cihldren.

*************

What! My goodness you narrow minded people. Sarah Palin is a product of what the feminist movement was pushing for in the 60-70's and now look at you you are outraged and you claim that Sarah Palin neglected her children. Everyone of you that have said these type's of things in this blog should be ashamed of yourselves. It is not neglect when your 17 year old daughter gets pregnant. I guess you would have considered my life as neglectful when I was pregnant with my first child I was living in a car. She is now 28 and she is a thriving intelligent humanbeing. I did not neglect her but I did love her no matter where I was and what my status was to the world. Sarah Palin is demonstrating love by showing her daughter "unconditional love" - something you lefties no nothing about with you there are always conditions to showing your love. Not only that you pretend like all your government programs are a way of showing your care when in reality it is a way to keep the low-life down where they belong.

Posted by: GOP girl | September 2, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Big Mike in DC wrote: It's very simple. Do you want people to respect your privacy, let your family make its own decisions free of guilt and judgment, and leave you alone? THEN DO THE SAME FOR EVERYONE ELSE AND LEAVE US ALONE!!

*******
Great post, I could not agree more!

Posted by: Jackie Blue | September 2, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

HEY..

I have finally reached the hi-light of my blogging.

It seems that if I use Race, or MSM or DNC in any post.. that I am violating Policy.

Definitely not free speech when it comes to King Obama.

Posted by: Bob Miller | September 2, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

GOP girl:

Just goes to show your GOP thought processes. Just another typical moronic Republican response.

They're the kind of individuals we need running this country. I suppose that you, years ago, were also qualified for a national position. President? Vice-President? Perhaps Secretary of State?

Posted by: sanity | September 2, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I really don't understand what it is that Palin is supposed to tell America that will be helpful. That abstinence education doesn't work? That teenage girls who are raised in a stable, two-parent household suffused with conservative Christian values are just as likely to screw up as teenage girls raised in a completely different environment?

I think there is only one thing the rest of us can learn from this story: when conservatives like Palin make personal issues into political issues to get votes, it can come back to bite them in the rear.

If Sarah Palin wants the rest of us to leave her personal life alone, she should set a good example by keeping her mouth shut about the personal issues she and her fellow conservatives have been yelling about for the past 20 years. Otherwise, she deserves all the grief she gets.

Posted by: simon | September 2, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Dick Cheney Against Gay Marriage/Daughter is Gay

George Bush against Drugs/ Was a former coke head

Palin for abstinence and Intelligent design/Daughter Pregnant and out of wedlock.

Republicans- The pot calling the kettle black.

Posted by: Ugh | September 2, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

The fact that this issue concerning her daughter is becoming a controversy and shows a certain naivety on the selection process that this wouldn't be an issue. I also wonder if Sen.Obama had teenage daughter out of wedlock, wouldn't that negatively effect his campaign and become a racial issue?

Posted by: Dan | September 2, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

my god. when is McCain going to drop this trailer trash? she can't manage her own household or the state of alaska.....better stick with moose huntin sarah an leave international diplomacy to people that are competent. what scandal will come out tomorrow...what you got hidden out there in the out house back water girl?

Posted by: ray reyns | September 2, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Ladies and gentlemen,
Abstinence only education has not failed as a sex education policy. It is merely a guideline. What HAS failed is our culture in developing in a manner that would have given abstinence only a chance in hades to work! Abstinence is the ONLY 100 percent guarantee against pregancy(unwanted or otherwise) and any STD. It WILL work is it is (1) followed (by the kids), (2) taught by parents and (3)reinforced by our society (hollywood, etc). But we all know that #3 has about a 1 in a billion chance of ever happening.

Posted by: W Lamar | September 2, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Why do we care about Sarah Palin or her daughter? Because there is a slim chance that if John McCain gets elected Mrs. Palin will back into being President of the US and no one in their right mind things she qualified. Oh there might be people who think she's qualified but they are not right in the head.

Her pro-life position will have little impact in a nuclear confrontation with China or Russia. Her views on sex will have little impact if there is a run on the dollar - a situation that grows more probably with any additional billion dollars worth of debt this country runs up.

So if her positions have nothing to do with national security or economics and McCain doesn't know squat about economics -that much he admits - why are we even talking about the republicans. Let's talk about the democrats who haven't totally lost their marbles.

Posted by: Jack | September 2, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey Bob! You're free to speak or publish whatever you want! However, the Washington Post is not *your* soapbox, and they can censor anyone, anywhere, any time here on their dime. But hey! Go ahead and build your own website, ok?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Abstinence works.

It's the only 100% reliable method of not getting pregnant.

Abstinence-only education DOES NOT WORK.

It doesn't work because it isn't comprehensive. The only line of defense is "don't have sex," which leaves anyone who does have sex highly vulnerable.

Comprehensive sex-ed says, "wait to have sex" AND use a condom AND use other methods of birth control. That's at least three lines of defense.

When abstinence-only kids DO have sex, they're unprepared and engage in high-risk behavior without protection.

Abstinence only education is the equivalent of telling your kid to just "drive carefully" and then putting then in a car with no seatbelts, no airbags and bald tires.

If you truly want to protect someone, you use all of the weapons in your arsenal.

Posted by: mizbinkley | September 2, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Why was the story of the infidelity of a Democratic candidate for President (and party luminary) not considered newsworthy for many months by the major news organizations, but the pregnancy of the daughter of the Republican nominee for Vice President is determined to be immediately newsworthy? Can someone address this with light (reason) rather than heat (emotion)?

Posted by: TMD | September 2, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I keep reading that this is a private family issue and should not be used politically, and part of me agrees. I think that her support to her daughter is great. But I have a very hard time believing that if this same situation happened to a Democratic running for VP that the Republican party would back away from this situation and not make it a political issue. Instead the same people (Republican and Christian strongarm) offering sympathy for the situation now, would be attacking and condemning a Democrat. It is very much a double standard.

In addition, yes her politics should be more important than her current family situation. The fact of politics today is that people are selected for both their politics and their character.

Posted by: Jess | September 2, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"Why was the story of the infidelity of a Democratic candidate for President (and party luminary) not considered newsworthy for many months by the major news organizations, but the pregnancy of the daughter of the Republican nominee for Vice President is determined to be immediately newsworthy? Can someone address this with light (reason) rather than heat (emotion)?"

Because Team McCain issued a PRESS release about it.

Posted by: @TMD | September 2, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

What are the chances that the Palin's grandchild will be asking, where's my daddy?

Posted by: Steve Boston | September 1, 2008 5:51 PM
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Probably no where near as great as her grandchild asking, mommy why do you and daddy not like each other very much. I get life happens and sometimes babies are born unplanned. But what I don't get is why Sarah is pushing her daughter to enter into an unplanned marriage in an effort to "make right" an unplanned pregnancy. O.K., so you ask "how do I know that it's not Bristol and Levi's decision to get married alone. Well, Levi's MySpace page states that he does not want to be a daddy (wonder why he thought this was not a possibility having unprotected sex and all-but that's not the issue). So here's a kid 17 or maybe 18 years old who has no plans for becoming a dad, but now he's ready to jump the gun and get married to his soon-to-be teenaged wife?

Unwanted pregancies happen--it's life, but why force your child to make another bad decision by getting married as "the fix." If Bristol and Levi truly love each other, they can get married later after their life gets back to some simbulance of normal. Having a new born baby under the scrunity of all of America is no piece of cake. Marriage can wait, why not allow these two young teens to get their thoughts together first. I'm just saying.

I wish the Palin family God's grace as they go through this most difficult time--whether they want to admit that it's difficult or not.

Posted by: Beingsensible | September 2, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Of course, Sarah Palin's daughter's life should remain private. But the pregnancy raises questions that *are* fair game for the media, namely Palin's views on abstinence-only sex education, which every study shows to be a dismal failure. Abstinence only = More abortions. Teenage pregnancies = More abortions. It's that simple. That is the issue the media should be asking about.

And: Yes, yes, we're all thrilled that Bristol is keeping the baby. We all wish the abortion numbers were lower. "Gov. Palin, what should be done about our country's woeful problem of babies born out of wedlock and dreadful abortion rates?" We're waiting for an answer.

Posted by: Kelly | September 2, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Just when the message is finally beginning to seep out into public consciousness that black fathers should be more involved in helping their pregnant girlfriends raise their children, along comes Pailin to destroy that idea by simply concurring in her daughters decision to have premarriage sex with her boyfriend and get pregnant. So its not just black girls who do it, but even the offspring of the possible next vice president of the US. HOw far weve come. And what response do we get from the dumb struck Republican party? Thats all right honey, mommie will take care of it. Nothing but gratuitous gestures of understanding and sympathy. What then do we tell our young black women who feel shunted aside by society? Hey, its ok, jump in the sack with the closest dude available and then you will feel the societlal love? What errant silliness. This society hasnt the foggiest notion of what childrearing actually means. Its priorities are financial success and celebrityhood. Period. Thats it. Nothing else. Where are the god fearing evangelicals who believe that having children out of marriage is wrong? Where are the republican party diehards when it comes time to back up your traditional beliefs about the sanctity of children in marriage? Where are Mr. Dobson, when he isnt busy worrying about losing the presidency to the democrats? He is willing to forgive anything as long it supports McCains silly decision to pick an unvetted Pailin with a phone book full of earmarks and record of suporting Stevens and his notorious bridge to nowhere.

Well, the media has finally begun to do it job and start digging into her hyperbolically inflated record as maverick of Alaska political world.

Onward you huskies, and get the father out of those dogsled races and back home to take care of his family and no where his daughter is bedding down at night.

Where is the love y'all, where is the love?

Tony Gillotte

Posted by: Tony Gillotte | September 2, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

What are the chances that the Palin's grandchild will be asking, where's my daddy?

Posted by: Steve Boston | September 1, 2008 5:51 PM
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Probably no where near as great as her grandchild asking, mommy why do you and daddy not like each other very much. I get life happens and sometimes babies are born unplanned. But what I don't get is why Sarah is pushing her daughter to enter into an unplanned marriage in an effort to "make right" an unplanned pregnancy. O.K., so you ask "how do I know that it's not Bristol and Levi's decision to get married alone. Well, Levi's MySpace page states that he does not want to be a daddy (wonder why he thought this was not a possibility having unprotected sex and all-but that's not the issue). So here's a kid 17 or maybe 18 years old who has no plans for becoming a dad, but now he's ready to jump the gun and get married to his soon-to-be teenaged wife?

Unwanted pregancies happen--it's life, but why force your child to make another bad decision by getting married as "the fix." If Bristol and Levi truly love each other, they can get married later after their life gets back to some simbulance of normal. Having a new born baby under the scrunity of all of America is no piece of cake. Marriage can wait, why not allow these two young teens to get their thoughts together first. I'm just saying.

My son is 21 years old and has a 11 month old son out of wedlock. I wouldn't trade my grandson for anything in the world--no riches no nothing. His son's mother is a very nice young lady and she comes from a nice family, and the two of them get along very well together. But I know that he would be miserable if they were married. They are both great parents and both love their son very much, but neither of them are ready to take on the weight of marriage. I know that their son would suffer most if they did. Thank God her parents, my husband and I don't believe that the only way to make good of an unplanned pregancy is a shotgun wedding--that's so '60's.

I wish the Palin family God's grace as they go through this most difficult time--whether they want to admit that it's difficult or not.

Posted by: Beingsensible | September 2, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

You know, Bristol Palin is a pretty girl and I'm sure Levi is a good looking boy. Put them together with raging hormones and logic goes out the window. I did some pretty stupid stuff as a teenager. I know that many nights my mom cried because of my choices. She taught me better. Yet, I still made bad choices. My mom wasn't a bad mother because of the choices I made. Sarah Palin isn't a bad mother or lacking in judgement because her 17 year old daughter made her own choices. How do we know what she taught her children in the privacy of their home? The best one can do is to teach his or her children the consequences of their actions and hope that they don't make too many mistakes as they travel the road of life.

Posted by: Just Me | September 2, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

As usual, a thoughtful column - and interesting how the race of the pregnant teen seems to have some sort of resonance. Let's get real here - what thinking parent, let alone 'loving' parent, would throw their daughter to the public wolves for political office? What teen wouldn't see this as a betrayal from their parent. Too bad groom-to-be has stated on his website that he doesn't want kids, even if the site is now down and being scrubbed.
Why is contraception a dirty word in the values-focused-network? Isn't preventing pregnancy one whole lot better than ENDING a pregnancy? I'll never get how these pro-life people seem to pick which life they are 'pro' on - and how long they are interested in the life. So many babies to save, and so many unadopted children growing up along and rejected, so many young girls' lives forever changed.
Obama is right about candidate families off limits and their children even more so. It is unfortunate for this teen to have her life wall-to-wall across the country, let alone the hypocritical GOP response. Always the double standard.

Posted by: Figerre | September 2, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

If a person takes a hard line AGAINST sex education in schools that same person needs to take an even harder line FOR sex education in the home. Especially their own.

Posted by: xtrump | September 2, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse


Why did no one ever consider harsh media scrutiny would be hard on Palin's entire family especially daughter Bristol? I'm having trouble comprehending how these people could be so clueless. This is a private family matter as Obama said, but in a 24/7 news cycle, no media outlet will respect that. I guess the "prize" of high office is worth anything...if I were Bristol I would be mortified and in hiding.

Posted by: Sasha | September 2, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Mr. King,

I fear that the responses on this forum are so politically motivated that they have missed the central premise of your article.

1. You are absolutely right that Americans are hypocrites about teen pregnancy. African American mothers are disrespected like no others.

*Note* FOX News labeled Michelle Obama as a "baby's momma," but has not used any similar language on this Palin issue.


2. As for the incident itself, someone from the McCain or Palin camp needs to be clear that teen pregnancy is NOT OK. If they want to continue their abstinence only approach, they should defend it vigorously (in light of this contradictory evidence).

3. I also appreciate Obama's response. I don't think this is an issue to score political points on. He is best to stay far away.


Finally, I hope you will repost your article. And that someone (presumably not politicians) can come up with some good ideas on how to fix the teen pregnancy problem.

Posted by: Chris Stewart | September 2, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse


Why did no one ever consider harsh media scrutiny would be hard on Palin's entire family especially daughter Bristol? I'm having trouble comprehending how these people could be so clueless. This is a private family matter as Obama said, but in a 24/7 news cycle, no media outlet will respect that. I guess the "prize" of high office is worth anything...if I were Bristol I would be mortified and in hiding.

Posted by: Sasha | September 2, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Henry wrote "The fact is that teen pregnancy among blacks is the highest on a percentage basis of any ethnic group in America."

The truth is that the vast majority of teen mothers are white. Welfare recipients as well for that matter. Everyone should check the facts and report them FULLY in order to have a fair and balanced conversation.

Sen Obama's willingness to speak the truth to his own community should be applauded. we need comprehensive solutions. Abstinence ed as part of sex ed (the way I had it in school 20 years ago), personal responsibility and men stepping up to the plate to be fathers.

Posted by: RC | September 2, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Teen Pregnancy Alaska Style:

Mr. Kane makes a good point that teen pregnancy does not need
pointing fingers, since for years the Underground Abortion
Railroad saw its mission as a quiet, tidy, trash remover.

Teen pregnancy isn't a Black phenomenon. While working in Rockefeller Plaza in the late 1950s - a Summer intern told me that 19 gals were pregnant in her high school graduating class. I thought that those girls had denied themselves the opportunity to mature, and
use the opportunities available. But I also noted that young gals of that era found it essential to marry quite young, based upon factors of competitiveness and diminishing attractiveness.

Hormones do compromise reserve, particularly when the peer group
sets the style of being okay. HIV is proof that common sense goes by
the boards when the call of the wild sets the course. It would be
interesting what the stats are in an Alaskan town of seven thousand,
for HIV and teen pregnancy.

It's a bit convoluted that Europe and Russia are not procreating on
a replacement basis, and almost the United States, while the
political and business elite here seek dramatic immigration by whatever
means.

Teen procreation and population need, and the quality needed, should
deserve a hard look rather than pointing fingers and resorting to quickie relief. What are your thoughts?


Posted by: 3rd-Party Advocate | September 2, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans know they are losing and rightly so. These screwed-up Evangelicals and Neocons don't know left from right, up from down. They have NEVER seriously addressed the issues facing this country and the world because they are INCAPABLE of doing so.

They are all a confused bunch of nitwits who are more than ready to attack the Eastern educated liberals who are attempting to fix some of the damage they have caused since Bush was elected. They don't have a brain in their collective heads and are more than happy to sacrifice individual freedoms for their crazed ideology.

What a joke McCain and Palin are, as well as Rick Davis. They will crash and burn along with George, Dick, Condi, Gonzales and all the others who crashed and burned before this.

McCain is a do-do bird. And his running mate belongs in the outback.

Posted by: sanity | September 2, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm certain of one thing: That baby daddy is going to make an awful lot of money off Palin and McCain, especially if they intend to force his family, and him, into a marriage he obviously didn't propose!

There will be hush money for college and everything his little heart desires.

Let's just wait and see if there will, in fact, be a marriage. I don't think so, but there probably won't be any National Inquirer articles either saying that Palin's daughter forced herself on the guy.

For anyone who has already said that children are off limits, that lady is not a child anymore. She's a mother and perhaps a soon-to-be wife. That takes her out of the category of being a "child."

Posted by: Moonbat | September 2, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

If abortion were the answer for teen pregnancy, BARACK OBAMA WOULD NOT BE WITH US, as HIS MOTHER GAVE BIRTH TO HIM WHEN SHE WAS 18!

Bristol Palin is assuming responsibility for her pregnancy, something that abortionists can't bring themselves to do.

Posted by: ttj | September 2, 2008 10:44 AM
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One day you "pro-lifers" are going to realize that "pro-choice" is not the same as "pro-abortion" and the light bulb moment is going to blow your brains out. For you Christian fundalmentalist when will you come to realize that the greatest commandment in the Bible is "Love"; and the most powerful thing that God gave us was the right to choose. See if you can find this in scripture..."I set before you life and death, blessings and curses..."choose" life so that you and your seed may live. Those choices include the right to have sex before marriage, the right to kill, the right to hate, the right to do whatever we choose in life including ending an unwanted pregancy. And with those rights come consequences. There are no levels of sin in the Bible; a sin is a sin is a sin. Therefore, having sex before marriage is as great a sin as aborting an unwanted pregnancy, adultry is as great a sin as being involved in a gay relationship, beating your wife is as great a sin as cursing, stealing is as great a sin as getting a divorce. All sins are sins and none are any greater than the other except committing suicide because that's the only sin that we are not able to ask forgiveness for. Thank God our God is a merciful God and He is able to keep us from failing, because I would hate to have to rely on our so called Christ-like leaders.

Posted by: Beingsensible | September 2, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

"The Republicans know they are losing and rightly so. These screwed-up Evangelicals and Neocons don't know left from right, up from down. They have NEVER seriously addressed the issues facing this country and the world because they are INCAPABLE of doing so.

They are all a confused bunch of nitwits who are more than ready to attack the Eastern educated liberals who are attempting to fix some of the damage they have caused since Bush was elected. They don't have a brain in their collective heads and are more than happy to sacrifice individual freedoms for their crazed ideology.

What a joke McCain and Palin are, as well as Rick Davis. They will crash and burn along with George, Dick, Condi, Gonzales and all the others who crashed and burned before this.

McCain is a do-do bird. And his running mate belongs in the outback."

Again, I am laughing!! The wacko moveon.org loyalists just can't get enough of this! The funny thing, to me, is they are mobilizing the factions of the right which were, here-to-fore dormant, further ensuring McCain's election. Keep at it, folks...you'll insure a Hillary win in 2012!!

Posted by: Dino | September 2, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Here's an interesting tidbit that was reported in today's New York Times (see http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/02palin.html)

"The Palins eloped on Aug. 29, 1988, and their first son, Track, was born eight months later, a fact that Maria Comella of the McCain campaign, declined to elaborate on. “They were high school sweethearts who got married and ended up having five beautiful children together,” Ms. Comella said."

So I guess when Palin preaches abstinence-only sex education, she means that *other* people should abstain from sex before marriage. There's a word for people who don't practice what they preach. MSNBC notes that during her 2006 gubernatorial race in Alaska, Palin supported abstinence-only education policies:

“Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?” the survey asked, “Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support,” Palin responded.

Posted by: BZ | September 2, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I feel betrayed by my party...after all the years of sticking behind Bush and his policies and placing my trust in the republican party to do what is right and needed for america and the world, i am now just confused. maybe all those liberal democrats were right because when i really stand back from my identity as a conservative american mom and look at the two candidates and the way they are running their campaign i am just utterly dismayed by McCain's choice. I am a mom and know any teen-ager is can be in the situation of Bristol no matter how well brought up or poorly brought up he or she is, but to think of Sarah Palin being President of the most powerful country in history and being like someone wrote, "a back water girl" with no knowledge of real politics and having never been out of the country...i am horrified to think my kids might have their safety compromised by some moose hunter, creationist. I can't believe this is happening. I pray to wake up out of this bad dream as the stakes are just too high for the irresponsibility I am seeing. I will now vote for Obama as the more intelligent possibility. how could anyone not?

Posted by: sue drummond | September 2, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Okay, Obama isn't just black. He's white too. Everyone overlooks that. It's like telling someone that one side of their heritage doesn't matter.

Teen pregnancy is a problem no matter what your race (or races).

Mr. King, I agree wholeheartedly with you.

Posted by: JK | September 2, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Look at a video of last Friday’s introduction of Sarah Palin in Dayon, Ohio by Senator McCain. Now I understand why he had to literally read from his prepared script when he introduced her as the Governor of Alaska. I thought he was afraid he’d forget her name. Actually he was afraid he might have said something like ...Sarah Palin, the next grandmother of Alaska...

Yes, Sarah has spunk, but as a woman, one must choose between a focus on your family or your career...

Posted by: Carole J | September 2, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

In response to Amy, I don't think anything Clinton did during his presidency was ever overlooked. He had a special investigator look into every aspect of his public life, private life and business dealings (before and during his presidency). All public officials, Democrat and Republican, male and female receive media scrutiny for personal matters that they may wish could be swept under the rug. While I commend Obama for taking the high road, Sarah Palin is the one that chose to march her family out on stage and introduce America to each one of them so we could learn what a fabulous family they are. She had to realize that could backfire.

Posted by: Michelle | September 3, 2008 1:56 AM | Report abuse

I think teen pregnancy in a well established, affluent family signals greater "problem parents" than "problem teen". My reasons for that are:

1) there is no money shortage (thus could have more time)
2) there is more help (thus could have more time)
3) better environment, better schools, more support

So how the parents in a well established, affluent family spend their time matters most. If a parent likes to hunt, he/she could be an example of violence/cruelty, me-and-my-amusement-first, children second, and thus "country second".

Posted by: yubing | September 3, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Why hasn't Mr. Gerson come up with a new article to apply his Evangelical Republican spin to?? I'm waiting!!

I want to ridicule not Mr. Gerson PER SE, but the hypocritical gun-toting, meth using "religious right", you know, the people of this earth that are closest to God and believe in "His judgment" for people who have not followed his word.

The same ones who believe in separatism for the State of Alaska, you know what I mean! The same people who invoke the name of God, over and over, in public speeches and elsewhere, just as Adolph Hitler did in Germany before he began exterminating human beings.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

She's a fake selling snake oil with John McCain. Just wait and see if they manage to get elected!

Posted by: sanity | September 3, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

In defense of Sarah Palin, the leaders of
the Christian right have made it clear about how they define a Christian.

We don't care if you sin.
We are not bothered if you put your ambition ahead of the needs of your children. If you have lied or broken the law, we will look the other way. It all comes down to your stand on guns and fetuses. Vote the right way, and you have our blessing.

They are not concerned about actual issues, other than their issue, the establishment of a Christian Theocracy in the United States.

Posted by: sanity | September 3, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

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