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Bristol Palin Is Not the Issue

It was inevitable that when the Republicans’ designated vice presidential candidate put out a statement announcing that her 17-year-old daughter was pregnant, it would be news. But Bristol Palin’s pregnancy is not and should not be a public issue. I’m sure that those who say we should draw “lessons” from this are well intentioned, but honestly, the issue here is who will lead our country in a very difficult time.

The pregnancy story is a huge distraction from the questions that surround the choice of Sarah Palin: not only whether she is qualified to succeed (?) to the presidency, but why John McCain would pick a relatively unknown figure whom he barely knows himself; what process McCain went through in making one the most important decisions he will ever make; whether the McCain camp is being honest about how much this choice was actually vetted; and what this choice tells us about John McCain instincts. I also want to know more about how Sarah Palin governed and what she actually thinks. Remember: She could become president. Does McCain really know enough about her to have confidence that she could lead the country? That’s what matters; Bristol Palin should be allowed to live her life.

Charlie Cook, the great political analyst, passed this along today: He spoke with someone who described going through three interviews before getting a job at Ruby Tuesday’s. If you generously construe the record, that’s one more discussion than McCain had with Palin. Maybe Ruby Tuesday’s should have done McCain’s vetting for him.

By E.J. Dionne  | September 2, 2008; 2:52 PM ET
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Of course, Sarah Palin's daughter's life should remain private. But the pregnancy raises questions that *are* fair game for the media, namely Palin's views on abstinence-only sex education, which every study shows to be a dismal failure. Abstinence only = More abortions. Teenage pregnancies = More abortions. It's that simple. That is the issue the media should be asking about.

And: Yes, yes, we're all thrilled that Bristol is keeping the baby. We all wish the abortion numbers were lower. "Gov. Palin, what should be done about our country's woeful problem of babies born out of wedlock and dreadful abortion rates?" We're waiting for an answer.

Posted by: Kelly | September 2, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I think the real and legitimate question out of this story is: What kind of person would knowingly subject their daughter to this? I do agree that otherwise the media should stay out of it and focus on Sarah Palin and not her family.

Posted by: Mike | September 2, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a good pick, Women feel like she is one of them, Men think she is hott. They even have a poll asking how hott is Palin? at veep peek. they also have some pictures of her looking rather sexy. http://www.veeppeek.com I really think she will be a good gamble for McCain.

Posted by: Pezit | September 2, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I like Sarah Palin, I think her daughers situation just makes her seem more in touch with the common person. I still have many questions about troopergate though. Here they have alot of info on it at this link. http://www.theveep.com

Posted by: Jimmy | September 2, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

E.J.,

You wrote, "...someone...described going through three interviews before getting a job at Ruby Tuesday’s. If you generously construe the record, that’s one more discussion than McCain had with Palin."


In criticizing McCain in the above matter, you failed to take into account the uncanny ability which he possesses, which is identical to our current president's.

After meeting Putin for the first time in 2001, President Bush had said of Putin, "I looked the man in the eye and have been able to get a sense of his soul."

Posted by: Observer | September 2, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I love how suddenly the Republican party thinks issues involving politician's sex lives, or the sex lives of their family members are "private". Isn't this the same party that impeached Bill Clinton over an affair with Monica Lewinsky?

Posted by: Paul | September 2, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

VPILF

Posted by: grytpype | September 2, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Palin's family life is the part of her bona fides that is supposed to attract segments of voters who distrust McCain; it wasn't the critics who politicized this first.

But the pregnancy of her daughter is a distraction from more substantial and significant issues related to her political history. According to a Wasilla resident, she discharged competent employees and replaced them with personal adherents, replaced progressive with regressive taxes, increased municipal debt from zero to >$20 million.

Palin is also a former member and current sympathizer of a political party that advocates Alaskan secession from the US and wants to privatize all federal lands in the state.

Read more: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/2/12360/51031/527/573079

Posted by: Jim | September 2, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I think it is relevant. Unless sex before marriage is something we Christians believe is ok, which we DON'T, Sarah and Mr. Palin didn't have the time or attention to run the state and raise a daughter in their faith. Christian behavior doesn't begin with not having an abortion. It begins with an unmarried teenager decides to break one of the cardinal rules of our faith. This kind of sin is a failure of the family living its faith. Which leads to the bigger question of hypocrisy.

and DID MRS. PALIN ACTUALLY TELL MCCAIN OR DID MCCAIN KNOW FROM INVESTIGATING THE NATURE AND ACTIONS OF SARAH PALIN'S CORE BELIEFS? OR DID HE JUST FIND OUT?

Posted by: Charlestown | September 2, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Another question that arises from the pregnancy that should be asked:

Governor Palin, given that 50% of marriages end in divorce, and that number sky-rockets to 90% when talking about 17 year-olds, do you think it is appropriate for your daughter to marry?

Posted by: democratus | September 2, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Few are mentioning that the new president will be facing serious problems: the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war, a rising new superpower called China, a newly rich and militant Russia led by Vladimir Putin, a huge national debt, a dehabilitated US military. This is just for starters. That new president could easily be Sarah Palin in a very short period of time if McCane is elected. Do Americans really want to go this route? That little baby her daughter is having is not much of a national issue by comparison.

Posted by: Bill | September 2, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Impulsive, rash, and misguided decision... He had 5 months to think about this. WOW!!!

Posted by: kfors | September 2, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Palin's comments on the death penalty included "hanging them high". Hanging connotes racism and should not be part of our elected officials terminology!

Posted by: Zord | September 2, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

John McCain has now trashed another of his talking points: "Country first." Nowhere in this pick is the well-being of the country reflected. John McCain HIMSELF ... after accusing Obama of this very thing ... has put winning an election over the well-being and best interests of the country. One HAS to seriously ... seriously ask ... what on earth is wrong with him? His actions border on dangerous not just delusional.

Posted by: Audrey | September 2, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

There are people who are so ambitious, so driven, they can't say "No" when offered a position of power that is clearly over their head. They cannot help themselves. An experienced politician like McCain has seen this kind of personality, and he should have refrained from offering what should not be offered to people like Palin.

Posted by: whoo_whoo | September 2, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Mrs. Palin's daughter's pregnancy is a public issue, insomuch as it provides a very telling view of the judgement of someone who advocates abstinence-only education and fiercely opposes sex education that teaches about the use of condoms and birth control. Could it be that Mrs. Palin used bad judgement in denying her children proper sex education, and in letting her 17-year old daughter "date" someone 7 years older than her? What does it tell us....that she will put ideology ahead of common sense and practicality, like Bush has been doing for the last 8 years?

Posted by: Chagasman | September 2, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

McCain's more interested in the "babe" factor and what that does to the dems picking on a pretty woman than in having someone who understands what the VP, and likely the president's cabinet do on a daily basis...

Posted by: An American Voter | September 2, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Except for those who prayed for storms to disrupt Obama's address at Invesco Field, Palin, should McCain become president, would play the same role as does Dick Cheney for Bush--an insurance policy against removal from office. However, for those who spend time collectively prayer-lobbying to influence their deity, e.g. praying for Denver to be soaked just as Obama stepped to the podium, they would have a new prayer target: getting Palin into the Oval Office. Are there federal statutes designed to protect a sitting president from hostile prayers?

Posted by: Steve H | September 2, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

So, Palin was 'for' the bridge to no-where before she was 'against' it. And she was on Ted Stevens' 527 fundraising committee before she was endorsed by him for governor.
And she was 'for' banning books when she interviewed her town librarian before firing her.
McCain vetted her?
Really?

Posted by: drilling for the truth... | September 2, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

What may be truth in anything that the blogs may point to, or the campaign may try to redefine. Gov. Palin has left a trail statements that fuel the controversy, as if they have designed it for the current outcomes. It is possible that the press and the public are being misled deliberately for sympathy of a specific segment, and to evade truth. The lowest of the low steps in this process seem to have come from McCain-Palin team and their operatives.

Posted by: O.P. Neon | September 2, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

In terms of McCain (and Palin) judgment: What did they think or plan on happening?
That no one would *notice* a 7-month pregnant daughter by the election? That this would *not* come out?

A VP's daughter simply is not "private" in terms of "not noticed." Reasonable judgment would say: "Announce this when you announce Palin." It wouldn't sound furtive. Privacy means perhaps not knowing the husband, etc.. Ignoring the pregnancy entirely is surreal.

And stop blaming "Internet rumors" for "outing" this. How about "inevitable biological process."

Posted by: Bruce | September 2, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

If you are involved in public service you should have no privacy. These people work for us. I want to see their tax statements, all of their email exchanges, who they talk to on a regular basis. I want to know what toothpaste they use, I want to know what they eat for breakfast. I want to know their kids grades in school. Everything. These people work for us. They shouldn't even get to blow their noses without consulting us first. I'm sick of this crap. What and the hell is wrong with you people.

Posted by: Johna | September 2, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

What has cost me all my respect for John McCain has nothing to do with Mrs. Palin, or even her daughter: Right now there is an 18 year old boy being asked questions I really don't think he agreed to submit to, by national news correspondents and politicians. I really doubt that anyone asked him about his plans, and if so, not in the context of marrying a girl so that not their child, or each other, could be happy, or even her mother, but for the satisfaction of John McCain. "I didn't think of that" doesn't count in international relations, nor does "I didn't mean to hurt someone accidentally." John McCain has damaged this young family and BOTH of their parents, and it is sickening that he has done so in such a callous manner.

Posted by: rboltz@boltzlaw.net | September 2, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

smells like toast...

Posted by: anonymous x 37 million | September 2, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone notice the father of the baby is 26 years old?? Bristol is 17... Is that not illegal sex in Alaska? (and gross)

Posted by: Ian | September 2, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I can't digest Sarah Palin. Not for her parenting, not for her teen daughter getting pregnant (why should anyone care?)but for lack of moral values.

She brings out a child that she knew has down syndrome before birth. That boy IS GOING TO SUFFER HIS ENTIRE LIFE AS A RETARD. WHAT KIND OF MOTHER WOULD DO THAT? and she is pro-life to the extent that she opposes obortion even in the case of RAPE AND INCEST.

The Palins are just too conservative and have UNETHICAL MORAL VALUES. and She wants to be a Vice-President?? THE MEDIA SHOULD RECOGNIZE AND RAISE THIS POINT.

Posted by: Robert Erb | September 2, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

The McCain campaign told the world about this pregnancy to quell bizarre rumors on some internet blogs. They didn't just mention the pregnancy, but used it as a tool.

And why even bother addressing something so bizarre in the first place? Aside from punching one in the face, do the Apollo astronauts constantly address the moon-hoaxers? No, because it's absurd.

Posted by: David M. | September 2, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

We could ask, "Why Can't Jimmy Spell" but that's not the issue. The issue is Palin, and *everything* about her is fair game, including her unmarried teen aged daughter's pregnancy. You're right, the question is about judgment-- and there are two judgments on the table: McCain's and Palin's. As it stands now, there seems ample reason to doubt both of their sense of judgment.
But no mistake: just because you, and the White House, say the daughter's pregnancy is not an issue doesn't make it so. It *is* an issue, and dodging, rather than facing it head on, reflects badly on the dodgers.

Posted by: Mike | September 2, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Glad she had the retarded kid. I'll bet if her son was gay she would have aborted.

Stupid housewife... typical white woman...

Posted by: Fight fascism | September 2, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

“Let me be as clear as possible … I think people’s families are off-limits and people’s children are especially off-limits,” said Senator Obama. (stated speaking in Michigan)

Dems... Your canidate said it plainly and well. Move on to the real issues. We've found out politicians are human and have things to take care of at home and abroad.

If it was a poor un-ivestigated choice like suggested to choose Palin... it was the best poor un-investigated choice in the entire election. And there have been a lot of those.

McCain / Palin.... count me in!

Posted by: Andrew | September 2, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I think the fact that this women belonged to a group that advocates secession from the union and whose members suggest "infiltrating" the other parties to push the agenda is a real issue of concern. How in the world did she pass a national security check? Or did they not bother doing one? McCain made his first important executive decision here to show America what he is capable of - he failed miserably.

Posted by: Mike C. | September 2, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

If I were Levi Johnston I'd run like hell.

Posted by: Johna | September 2, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Gov Palin's daughter is pg at 17 is relevant. the gov is staunchly opposed to any form of sex-ed other than to say "just don't do it", can't tell you what "it" is, cause then you'd know what "it" is, just do as I say-not as I do. I have seen little mention of the fact that the gov eloped and by magic the stork delivered a baby 8 months later. Seems like Gov Palin has a problem balancing her religious belief with that thing called primal instinct. What else would she make emotional decisions about and not practical logical ones?

Posted by: sharri | September 2, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I believe that I have an absolute right to know EVERYTHING about a candidate that wants my vote. I don’t understand how some “personal” things are off-limits (the bad stuff) and some are press release material. Candidates will definitely let us know about their triumphs –I believe that we have every right to know about the bad stuff as well. How else can we make an informed opinion?

Posted by: Jason | September 2, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I think John McCain has a Thomas Eagleton problem on his hands. This speaks volumes about his judgement. Can we afford this level of vetting or lack thereof with McCain's choices for Supreme Court Justice?

Posted by: Lawrence | September 2, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Country First?? McCain's choice of the inexperienced Palin and the minimal vetting done for such a potentially important position, suggests that he puts winning first. Reckless and impulsive behavior.

Posted by: thebob.bob | September 2, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

This woman Palin is a very sick, sick, sick person. Having a daughter sleeping around - we know where she got her genes from. Sick woman ! OBAMA 08 !

Posted by: steve | September 2, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Some people are alarmed that Palin might be thrust into the presidency before she's ready if McCain is elected. I'm worried that that Obama will be thrust into the presidency before he's ready if McCain is not elected.

Posted by: Duscany | September 2, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Poor kid. I wonder if her mom even thought about what this would do to her daughter when she agreed to take the job.

Here's why I think this is not an entirely private matter, though. Sarah Palin has a lot on her plate, even without being vice president. She has a special-needs infant and now a daughter who will be a mother before she graduates high school. Two of her children, plus her grandchild, need her *a lot* right now. I cannot imagine *anyone*, man or woman, competently handling the demands of being a heartbeat away from the presidency under these circumstances -- much less, God forbid, being the president. This is not in the best interest of the public. John McCain showed very poor judgment in the most important decision of his campaign.

Posted by: webs | September 2, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

This choice is a blunder of Harriet Miers proportions. In very short order the true conservatives of the party will regain their voice and drown out the social conservatives. The Republican's only hope is unity on the issue and it can't last long. It's times like these that I really miss William F. Buckley Jr.

Posted by: Seattle | September 2, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Dionne,

Thank you for your excellent post. I could not agree more. We are a society that fancies celebrity-like news. The reason media coverage is being swamped with attention grabbing headlines involving a teenage mother is that America has a fascination for this tabloid-like material rather than real news that matter (Example: Matthew Mcconaughey baby's, Britney Spears inability to parent, Lindsay Lohan's foray into lesbianism)

Come on Media, quit offending me by overloading me with useless information. Report it, but please let it not be the focus. I, being a moderate, would much rather focus on the issue of whether Palin is up to the task of VP. I want to know her stance, her history, her record and her goals for the future. I don't want to know the gritty details of her daughter's decisions. All we need to know is that the Palin family is supporting the decisions made by their daughter.

Posted by: Jered | September 2, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

McCain doesn't use his brain for serious decisions. This is not bad since he doesn't have much of a brain. He is an impulsive stubborn character who puts his own interest first. That is why he dumped his first wife and netted a wealthy trophy wife.

A guy like McCain could easily create more troubles than Bush. We are the ones who should use our brains for our decisions... in November.

Posted by: John | September 2, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I think all reasonable people should be totally insulted that mccain would carelessly select a vp with such a background and expect the American people to vote for his arrongance.

Posted by: jan | September 2, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Not only did Palin solicit earmarks for Wallisa while she was mayor, she was one of the very few in Alaska to hire a paid lobbyist (one on Ted Steven's cronies)

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/09/palins_earmarks_spark_question.html

Posted by: hmpierson | September 2, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

You all think this pregnancy thing is a big deal just wait until Palin's nude modeling photos get released on the internet. ;)

Posted by: Johna | September 2, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

This is a legitimate issue, how can she keep promoting the failed policy of abstinence only, when she cannot even address that at home.


Posted by: DaveKae | September 2, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

At her introduction last week, Palin said the following, "Our oldest son, Track, though, he'll be following the presidential campaign from afar. On September 11th of last year, our son enlisted in the United States Army. Track now serves in an infantry brigade. And on September 11th, Track will deploy to Iraq in the service of his country. And Todd and I are so proud of him…"

She can't have it both ways. Either she doesn't talk about her kids at all, or she talks bout them and both the positive and the negative are fair game. She broached the topic of her kids in her very first introduction. If she is going to boast about the good, she's got to accept that the bad is on the table as well.

Posted by: Doubter | September 2, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I love how suddenly the Republican party thinks issues involving politician's sex lives, or the sex lives of their family members are "private". Isn't this the same party that impeached Bill Clinton over an affair with Monica Lewinsky?

Posted by: Paul

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LMAO. It's true. It's true. The same with McCain and the way he dogged his first wife.

The sad part is Dems really believe it should be off limits, so the issue won't go much further than this.

- Chris

Posted by: Chris Stewart | September 2, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Another view on this: Governor Palin's problems are normal human problems, and insofar as Sen. McCain seemed somewhat out of touch with normal people, the Palin choice is actually good politics.
Unfortunately, people also ask the White House family to set an example for one's own children: "Try to grow up to be like them".
When a previous White House family set a poor personal example, it stimulated upset/unrest that continues today. From this point of view, which might prevail after the gossip dies down, Sen. McCain has made a careless or unwise selection.

Posted by: Marcus Cato | September 2, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Alaska first. Alaska always.

Down with America.

;)

Posted by: Mike of Atlanta | September 2, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Yes, of course. Marry them off. That makes it all better. Sin forgiven. And we wonder why the divorce rate is out of control.

Posted by: Pat | September 2, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

IF the press would stop running internal discussion ad nauseum and actually go ask the questions they seemingly want awnsers to. Maybe just maybe they would actually get a response worthy of this much non-stop blather.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Bristol Palin's pregnancy IS the issue, because I strongly suspect it's a red herring. I think the "news" is being floated to make it appear impossible that the baby allegedly born to Sarah was in fact her daughter's, as has been suggested elsewhere. They are admitting to a "lesser offense," thereby avoiding charges of cover-up and statutory rape. I would wager that Bristol will not go to full term, because that would concretely establish the time line of the pregnancy - in other words, I doubt very much that she is as much as 5 months pregnant.

Posted by: MG | September 2, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

How come the problems of the kids of
Gore ( drunk driving )
Bush ( underage drinking )
Biden ( son indicted for fraud ) have never been an issue about their job performance. This is pure sexism what is going on here. Or pure hatred. McCain knew about the baby and because he has love in his heart and because he is not a sexist like Obama looked at the person.

Posted by: john | September 2, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Republicans had all the vote they needed to win this election, now is gonna be a landslide. they will have the trailer white trash votes also!

Posted by: r.sam | September 2, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

The person best qualified for the presidency would make a commitment to locking the White House doors and calling up Congress in April.

The country will survive all types of idiocy in Washington. With batteries of overpaid advisers, apparatchiks and the usual array of consulting, Joe Baloney could do the job.

Lighten up Francis. You pundits take the ruling class too seriously without vetting your relationship to it.

Posted by: Jacque Dolittle | September 2, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

The republican party is selling Sarah Palin's experience as a mother as part of the experience they say qualifies her for the vice presidency. As such, the quality of the mothering she did is a fair issue for scrutiny and criticism. Clearly, as a mother she failed Bristol, by failing to either successfully teach her not to have premarital sex or to teach her to use birth control. Also, that she took only three days of maternity leave for her youngest child, a preemie with down's syndrome, raises questions about her mothering ability. And finally, there's the question of what kind of mother chooses to force her pregnant unmarried underage daughter into the national spotlight by running for vice president. So, I'd say Sarah Palin isn't someone I'd call a shining example of motherhood, and since the republican party says her motherhood is part of her qualifications, I would say it shows her to be unqualified.

Commentary about Bristol herself is not fair: commentary about what the facts about Bristol say about Sarah Palin is entirely fair.

Posted by: Tom | September 2, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Bristol Palin's pregnancy is a matter for Bristol and Levi the underaged teenagers that engaged in unprotected sexual intercourse.

Why then, did her mother choose to reveal the very private matter in a very public forum?

Is her mother instructing the DA to file statutory rape charges against Bristol and Levi?

Are matter such as these private only for people like Bristol, but not for Jamie Lynn Spears or John Edwards?

It is rather despicable to see columnists rush to smear someone -- preferably a non-descript group, one that W would call "evil-doers".

Posted by: Simpleton | September 2, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Bristol's pregnancy was revealed after a string of rumors suggested that Mrs Palin's five-month-old baby son was actually her grandson. Part of the speculation was fueled by Bristol's absence from school in and around Trig's birth.

The Palin family said Bristol was not in school because she had Mono. Are we now to believe she got pregnant while home with Mono?

Has anyone "vetted" this part of the story?

Posted by: The math isn't working | September 2, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I agree that the daughter is not the issue. However, how do we know that Palin's baby is really hers, not the daughter's? It matters becuase it relates to Palin's honesty. The child is 5 months old, and the daughter is 5 months along. Both could belong to the daughter. The press should not accept their assertions at face value, but should get to the bottom of it because it is important to make sure that candidates are being honest.

Posted by: Mike, Philadelphia | September 2, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

The Palin family reports that Bristol Palin was extremely ill with Mono in March. She wasn't out of the house on a date .... so it is right to ask, "How did a girl who was very sick manage to get pregnant?"

Healthy girls will make mistakes when they're out on dates with boyfriends. And those mistakes do not reflect on the parents.

But Bristol Palin was suffering from an extremely severe case of Mono during the months of February, March and April. She missed school for 5 months, her case of Mono was so extreme.

And given that, it is appropriate to ask, "What is the Palin's style of parenting?"

Posted by: Sally | September 2, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I think Palin is a good choice. She will shed light for millions of disabled Americans unlike no other high level politician.

She also brings some good experience (more than BHO) and will be someone we all can relate to while shaking up DC.

I was leaning to BHO, but all this talk about Palin's inexperience made me examine BHO credentials. I realize that the Republicans have it right. Experience at the top of the ticket and a change agent as VP.

I have high certainty that McCain will finish out his term without issues. Palin will do just fine.

Also, Biden and BHO both being lawyers is definitely a negative. Too many lawyers already "screwing" up this country

Posted by: Sarah | September 2, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

"Gov. Palin, what should be done about our country's woeful problem of babies born out of wedlock and dreadful abortion rates?"

I can predict her answer: people should take responsibility for themselves. For the first, have less sex outside of marriage; for the second, have fewer abortions.

It's not that hard... unless you're talking about rape, every pregnancy is a result of sex. (Rape is a different discussion). Sex leads to having kids... condoms fail, contraceptives fail, even reproductive surgery fails from time to time. You don't want to get pregnant out of wedlock? Stay abstinent; it's your only sure bet. You want abortion numbers to come down? Keep the kid if you get pregnant.

It's time to stop passing the buck, and hold people accountable for their own actions. It's not the government's fault if you get pregnant.

Posted by: Jordan | September 2, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

The best thing the Palin family can hope for is that all of this media attention will cause a miscarriage. I'm just saying at least then they can avoid the abortion issue. ;)

Posted by: Johna | September 2, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Ian: "Does anyone notice the father of the baby is 26 years old?? Bristol is 17... Is that not illegal sex in Alaska? (and gross)"

Actually, Ian, he's 18. He just played his last hockey game for Wasilla high school a few months ago. His and Bristol's photos are in the same yearbook. Where do you get 26? Have you been reading the Washington Post or something?

Posted by: Duscany | September 2, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

this woman is a white trash ho that belongs in a trailer park. she is nothing but a something that starts with a b and ryhmes with limbo. white trash she is. OBAMA 08 !

Posted by: bobby | September 2, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Once again the Repubs have been taken over by the far far far right. This is why they paniced at the 11th hour and picked someone they did not know. This is where the poor poor judgement of McSame/McCain comes into plan. If he is happy picking someone he only meet once 6 months ago for the 2nd hightest position in the country, just how will he make decisions. Of course just like Bush - let someone else on the far right tell you what to do.

That has worked out great - gas went from $1.25 a gallon to $4, Osama been good to bush is still on the loose after 7 years, real inflation is running around 10%, we are spending close to $12 billion a month occupying a country that Bush invaded - this list of failures goes on and on. So yes vote Republican if you want to continue with 8 years of failure.

Posted by: steveyb | September 2, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

How come the problems of the kids of
Gore ( drunk driving )
Bush ( underage drinking )
Biden ( son indicted for fraud ) have never been an issue about their job performance. This is pure sexism what is going on here. Or pure hatred. McCain knew about the baby and because he has love in his heart and because he is not a sexist like Obama looked at the person.

I applaud this post.

Posted by: Jered | September 2, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

As the mom of a teenage girl I have to question what I'm NOT hearing from the Republican party---that teen pregnancy is bad because more often than not it results in the girl not completing high school and a life of dismal economic prospects. (Maybe not for Bristol but not everybody has the governor's resources at hand.) I resent the Republicans holding forth Bristol as a role model to my daughter!

Posted by: Heidih | September 2, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Why is it necessary for us to know all about a vice presidential candidate? We know plenty about Barack Hussein Obama and his association with Wright, Ayres and his other shady, American hating friends. Nothing he does seems to matter.... AND THIS CLOWN IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!

Posted by: At a loss | September 2, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Sad day in politics when America's woes aren't the forefront on our minds. McCain blew it, Palin has some serious damage control issues to cleanse and Obama is the next President of the United States. Obama should send McCain a large cake posting "This jump shot was merely too easy to miss from half court."

Posted by: Unhappy Samuel Palin | September 2, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

If I were a woman I'd be insulted that a presidential candidate would think I'd vote for him by patronizing me.

If he truely wanted my vote he'd put her on the ticket as president and let him be VP.

Posted by: Steve | September 2, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I have not see or heard anything relating to this being the third beauty queen of his life. There is his first wife, then Cindy and now Palin. Is this just coincidental?

Posted by: Timothy | September 2, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"But Bristol Palin’s pregnancy is not and should not be a public issue."

I agree. You all in the news media can stop talking about any day now so that it ceases to be a issue.

Posted by: gillyrosh | September 2, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I don't care if Palin's daughter is pregnant. And I couldn't care less if Palin is attractive looking.

I do know that she is pro-hunting, advocates creation theory, is pro-guns and conservative. She is not having my support.

Posted by: Rakesh | September 2, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

How can the mass media be taken serious on this? You are part of and inseperable from the obama machine. You talk about McCains judgement. The media has lost all credibilty. After this election is over the damage you've done to yourselves will obvious. Your to blinded by the obama messiah light to see this clearly. E.J. you need to step back away from this before you get sucked in with, Katie, and brian, and Charlie etc. Obama has some issues non of you have investigated. You don't even really know if he's an American. I'm sure that doesn't matter to you though. Well, the Constitution doesn't either I'm sure.

Posted by: chance | September 2, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I guess if you want your daughter's life to remain private, then don't run for public office - especially VP of the USA. You especially shouldn't do this if you own party's platform frowns on teenage pregnancy.

Posted by: Chris | September 2, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"What is it about Sarah Palin that makes you want to serve Her?"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I agree. Palin's daughter is a non-issue.

The real issue is John McCain's judgement. Just a couple examples:

-1- McCain says patriotism is important to him. So why did he choose a VP with anti-American skeletons in her closet? Palin chose to be a member of AIP, a separatist (some would say Traitorous) radical group that wanted Alaskans to vote on having Alaska secede from the union and become it's own country. The AIP's motto was "Alaska First, Alaska Always." This is at odds with McCain's current motto of "Country First" and is at odds with McCain's repeated stabs at his opponent for not being patriotic.

-2- McCain claims that he is a maverick - a reformer who does his own thing, operates on his own conviction, and will not bow to internal pressures placed on him by his powerful party. If this is true, then why didn't McCain hire one of his own choices for VP - McCain's top choice was either Tom Ridge or Joe Lieberman. But powers within the Republican party wouldn't allow it, saying that the VP pick HAD to be pro-life. If McCain is such a maverick and fights the political powers in order to make the decisions he wants, then why didn't he fight his own party to be able to select his own favorite VP pick?

-3-McCain knows that his health and energy are beginning to erode, telling people that he may only serve one term. America knows he is an elder and has already had cancer more than once. So clearly his VP pick is important. There is a decent chance that McCain's VP choice may be called on to become President. Given that this is the case, WHY didn't McCain choose a Republican woman with enough experience to step in as President on Day One? What is going on with McCain's judgement that he picked someone with small experience that is really relavent to running the USA?

I'll sum up by saying that Palin's daughter's pregnancy should not even be mentioned. The bigger issue is: What is going on with McCain's judgement?

Posted by: ProudAmerican1776 | September 2, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Robert: That's about the most insensitive and insane thing I have ever heard. Are you contending that the life of her down syndrome child is worth less than that of any other child? How is having a child unethical? I am a Republican, and while I don't feel that I could ever be involved in an abortion, I don't condemn those who would, as I have never been in their shoes, nor have I had to live with the decision to carry out an abortion--it's just not a trigger issue for me. But suggesting that a family that would choose to have a child that will have down syndrome is unethical seems, to use your own words, retarded. I would think that it highlights their compassion and love of life. My two cents.

Posted by: JS | September 2, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin has strongly endorsed the pro-choice position: First, she commended her daughter's decision to keep her baby, implying that Bristol (a minor, no less) had a choice in the first place. Then Palin asked everyone to respect her family's privacy and butt out of the pregnancy. I presume this exclusion would extend to the government as well.

So, if this stance works for the Palins, why is it not good enough for everyone else? Perhaps Palin's pro-life supporters, the ones she was selected to appease, can answer this question for us.

Posted by: Terry McManus | September 2, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Great Point EJ. Palin and her baggage is a "huge distraction"--toquote EJ--to what should be important issues among adults. She needs to step down for the good of her party. McCain really needs to practice what he preaches: "Country first." This whole thing is like a sick joke.

Posted by: Justin Willis | September 2, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I hear Palin's retarded child will fit right in at the republican convention. Can't wait for the balloons. :)

Posted by: Johna | September 2, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Well Obama's girls have big ears and his wife has big legs and snorted coke before her big speech. Biden is a liar and cheated on his wife. www.bidencheats.com So there you big bullies, lets all get into a pissy fit and throw false claims at each other... that is the liberal way.

Posted by: Salmo | September 2, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"Your to blinded"

You're* too*

And you wonder why you aren't taken seriously??

Posted by: Chris | September 2, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I strongly respect the right of Gov. Palin and others to hold and express their religious views. But when as standing governor of a state of this Union she says it's "God's will" that a multi-billion dollar natural gas pipeline be built in Alaska and that by doing so, people in the Lower 48 states will "flock" to her state "in the End Days", as she did in a graduation speech this year, I think it's imperative for Americans to know how her faith has and will shape her positions and decisions on public policy issues.

Posted by: Steve | September 2, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

The truth about why the Palin's announced Bristol's pregnancy:

From the National Enquirer: ” The ultra-conservative governor’s announcement about her daughter’s pregnancy came hours after The ENQUIRER informed her representatives and family members of Levi Johnston, the father of Bristol’s child, that we were aware of the pregnancy and were going to break the news.

In a preemptive strike Palin released the news, creating political shockwaves.”


Posted by: Mary | September 2, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Paul wrote: I love how suddenly the Republican party thinks issues involving politician's sex lives, or the sex lives of their family members are "private". Isn't this the same party that impeached Bill Clinton over an affair with Monica Lewinsky?

a) Clinton's affair happened in THE OVAL OFFICE!

b) Clinton was impeached for LYING UNDER OATH!

Other than that you have the facts straights.

Posted by: Bob | September 2, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"So there you big bullies, lets all get into a pissy fit and throw false claims at each other... that is the liberal way. "

Except none of our claims are false. Try again, Chimpy.

Posted by: Chris | September 2, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey Paul... remember that Clinton was the President and he was getting head under the Presidential desk in the Oval Office... also he was impeached for Lying about it...

Posted by: Richard | September 2, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Is the marriage being delayed until after the baby comes so the parents' medical insurance will cover it? If the child marries the father before the birth, will the policy exclude the married child as no longer a dependent & no longer covered? So is this not Exhibit 1 in the case for universal health care?

Posted by: TXskeptic | September 2, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

This is all a big misunderstanding. McCain really did vet her, but people got confused.

They thought he meant that they looked into her background. They did not. What they meant was that they had her talk to the campaign veterinarian about moose hunting.

So please, leave McCain alone! He was a POW!

Posted by: Conservative | September 2, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

...poor Bristol, poor Sarah, poor John and most saliently, poor America. What would have been. Congratulation President Obama!!

Posted by: Disappointed Luis | September 2, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"Observer": You countered EJ's criticism of McCain for having had only two conversations with Palin before picking her to be a heartbeat away from leading the free world. You said EJ should take into account the "uncanny ability which he possesses, which is identical to our current president's. After meeting Putin for the first time in 2001, President Bush said of Putin, 'I looked the man in the eye and have been able to get a sense of his soul.' "

Actually, that supports EJ's point. Our current leader of the free world relies far too much on his gut feelings and what he perceives God as telling him and far too little on the facts and realities of the world. It's one thing to seek Divine guidance. It's another thing entirely to recognize Divine guidance when it comes, and not cloud it with what we want to be so. God sends us facts and inspired people to help guide us, as well as the occasional personal revelation. I wish Bush could recognize the difference, but so far he doesn't seem to. I'll support a candidate who shows he can learn from facts and history long before I'd support one who professes to rely solely on prayer. "God helps those who help themselves."

Posted by: Think Again | September 2, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Andrew- You know this will not go away.

When your party and its surrogates lecture the America people via radio and television every day about "family values", then it is absolutely fair to discuss what kind of values those really are. Had this beeen one of Barack Obama's daughters, the neoconpoop base would be whipped up into a frenzy over this.

Barack has said that families are off limits. I say what goes around comes around, and you are only beginning to see how far the sh*t is going to come around. Your party has run my once great nation into the toilet with your so called values. Now it's time to call you on them.

Posted by: LMAO | September 2, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Paul said:
"Isn't this the same party that impeached Bill Clinton over an affair with Monica Lewinsky?"

News to me! I do remember a Bill Clinton who was impeached for lying to a grand jury though... Any idea if these two Bill Clintons are related?

Lets stick to facts Paul.

Posted by: Wiley | September 2, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

The issue isn't whether it is the correct decision for Gov. Palin's daughter to have the baby and marry the father -- that should be beyond the judgement of anyone not directly involved. The issue is that Gov. Palin enthusiastically represents a political viewpoint that says exactly the opposite: that such matters are of vital importance to the nation as a whole to the point where the federal government should assert itself in matters of reproductive choice even if it means dictating choices women and their families may not want.

So it is political. But while it's always refreshing to see Republicans outdo themselves when it comes to smiley face hypocrisy, the real issues with Gov. Palin are her lack of experience and the investigation in Alaska that could reveal she improperly used her influence to get a public employee fired.

Of course, one could see our current president fail to see much to be concerned about on either count. Coming to office without much to show for oneself and unleashing political vindictiveness when the opportunity arises has worked pretty well for him so far.

Posted by: Todd | September 2, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

These comments are hilarious. So you want to know who Sarah Palin is? She's someone who has governed a state and a city. Two things Obama has never done. She has SO much more experience than Obama that it's a joke!


Posted by: Jerry Holthouse | September 2, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

we on the right do not believe that sex ed should be taught in school. It is the responsibility of the two parents at home.

Posted by: hst | September 2, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Again, you are all stupid and that's why you're voting for Obama. Keep wallowing in your own liberal $#!!.

Posted by: D | September 2, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

How selfish of Sarah Palin to have her daughter go thru this media frenzy attacks and still continue to keep her nomination.

Posted by: nina | September 2, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin = One more Republican vote for Obama.

Posted by: VoteDonkey'08 =/ | September 2, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

It's like Cheney campainging for a Gay Marriage Ban when is own daughter is gay...completely and necassarily relevant to inquire about personal experiences as they pertain to political issues. How can you trust a hypocrite.

Posted by: super | September 2, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Who votes for a vice presendent because she's "hot?" This speaks volumes about our nation's ineptitude.

Posted by: Jane | September 2, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

It is curious that every comment regarding Palin's readiness fails to realize that it is also a critique about Obama's readiness. Let's be honest here. If Palin is criticized for her lack of expereince so must Obama be criticized. Both have zero foreign policy experience. In fact Obama doesn't even have the executive experience that a governor gets. What is more, Palin is going for VP and could at least learn from McCain, while Obama is claiming he is ready to be number one. However he would just be another George Bush. He would have to rely on his VP just as Bush did. That is more of the same.

Posted by: An Informed Reader | September 2, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Nice job Johna, attack the people that cannot defend themselves... the 5 month old baby with Down syndrome. You define the ugly liberal and that makes me want to get involved instead of sitting on the sidelines. I just donated $1000.00 to McCain on your behalf.

Posted by: Salmo | September 2, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

The selection of Sarah Palin reveals a great deal about the political strategy, philosophy and cynicism of the GOP. The Republicans must have circled their wagons and desperately endorsed a cafeteria approach to selecting a VP.

I can just imagine the remarks made during this selection process: "Well, McCain is old, so we need someone young to balance the ticket. Did you notice how many die-hard Hillary supporter there are? We need a woman, too. Yeah...and people love Barack because he's an outsider. We gotta have an outsider, too." Voila...Sarah Palin.

This simple scenario probably overestimates the depth, breadth and diligence of the GOP's search, but it certainly affirms the notion that the Republican Party stands for winning at any cost, without any integrity, without any consistency and without any apologies. The Grand Ole Poseurs are at it again.

Posted by: Jack Lean | September 2, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Close your eyes. Opem them and see Sarah and Vladimir Putin negotiating. Scary. Do the same exercise and substitute McCain for Sarah, also scary. Vote Obama/Biden.

Posted by: Elinor | September 2, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I heard this whole thing started as misunderstanding. Bristol Palin heard that her mother advocated the "Drill here! Drill Now" mindset. I think Bristol Palin clearly misinterpretted this drilling encouragement. Someone should have explained that better to Bristol.

Posted by: KYCactus | September 2, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

The Christian social conservatives politicized the personal long ago! Among other things, Palin wants to change policies and laws that affect our personal choices and behaviors.

The tragedy about the Sarah Palins in our society and government isn't that "We can't control what our children do," it's that they absolutely want to control what my children do.

The lesson that free-thinking humans should take from the Palin morality play is this: It is always the worst offenders who despise us for their failings and mistakes.

Posted by: Sonia Kermaz | September 2, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I think it's HILARIOUS that Palin's 17-year old teenager is pregnant. It's HILARIOUS because mommy is such a 'religious' person and believes in abstinence only education. McCain is an idiot for picking this poor white trash lady for a running mate. The daughter looks pretty hot...too bad she's going to ruin that body by becoming pregnant. By the way, I'm not voting for dems or republicans in November because they're all a bunch of thieves and liars.

Posted by: David | September 2, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

It appears that Sarah knew all about this kid doing her daughter for years and just remained silent about it. What kind of mother allows her child to be raped like that knowingly? :o For shame. God help us all.

Posted by: Johna | September 2, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Oh dear...

I can't help but wonder if these are the values she managed to instill in her daughter, what kind of capabilities will she have as VP of this nation? Seriously, if you cannot keep your own daughter from screwing around (The pregnancy is proof of that), then what kind of influence are you going to be able to exert on the nation or on other political individuals?

At the risk of sounding mean, perhaps some sex education BEYOND abstinence would have been a good idea.

Posted by: Philstuf | September 2, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

wow ..what a campaign to get rid of this women....every where on the net the same stuff repeated over and over

set the record straight

levi johnson the boy in ? is 17 or 18 that hasnt been settled yet

Obamas father was 25 when he made a 17 year old ..obamas mother pregnant..i guess that's where the 26 comes from.

Posted by: sidney smith | September 2, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

There is also a legitimate issue - unfortunately criticized by some as "sexist" - about whether Governor Palin, with a new-born baby who has a serious physical disorder, and a daughter greatly in need of maternal guidance, will have the requisite time and energy to devote to her family life if and when she becomes Vice President.
Having worked in the national security establishment in Washington, I know its heavy demands on one's life. Governor Palin has had no experience with the incredible pressures of the second highest office in the land in a world of potential mass destruction. If she had, she might have thought twice about agreeing to become Senator McCain's running-mate.

Posted by: RHS | September 2, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Forget baby-gate, even forget trooper-gate. Palin spent two years as a member of Alaska Independence Party. The AIP's stated goal is to secede from the US. The founder, Joe Vogel, was violently anti-America.

Look it up. There are videos on line of Palin at an AIP meeting, the AIP website is very clear.

Obama gets flap about a lapel pin and he's considered not patriotic.
Palin as a member of secessionist group? What would you call that?

Posted by: Spencer Falco | September 2, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Abstinence is 100% safe. Other methods may fail.

Posted by: JK | September 2, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, the 17-year is not an issue. The issue is her mother. Will you trust a woman who cannot take care of her 17-year. If Sarah becomes the VP, will she takes care of the newly born Down's baby? If she can't, it is not fair to the baby. If she does spend a lot of her time to take care the baby, will she take care of the country? Then it will not be fair to Amerian. And this just shows "What a great mother she is." Yeah, let's cheer for all the teen mothers. We even have spcial school for teen mothers which paid by our tax payer.

Posted by: Boo | September 2, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Nude photos of Palin getting ready to drop after the convention...watch out! We all did stupid things as kids that will come back to haunt us.
STAY TUNED....

Posted by: PALIN NUDE PHOTOS | September 2, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I believe it should be a topic to talk about, because she in under age for one. And if it was on the Democratic side of life it would be a very HOT TOPIC. Britney Spears 16yrs old sister got pregnant and it made major headline so why not talk about it. The faact of the matter is she did not get an abortion which is very good but I believe we still need for some e.g. to be made out of some situation. That all I have to saay...

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Posted by: lexie | September 2, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

There is an a link that is more obvious to some of us, between the guiding of your own children and the leaders of other countries who don't even want to look at you. If her relationship with her daughter does not spawn responsible decisions, what are we to expect from the relationships she has with foreign leaders and such? Will they be as frivilous as Palin's daughter (who we would assume she had a hand in raising).

Posted by: Prepare4Change | September 2, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking of voting for McCain, but this whole mess makes me think he didn't do his homework and has poor judgement.

Posted by: Kathy in OH | September 2, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Elinor,

Sarah would just offer a piece to Vlad for peace. ;)

Posted by: Johna | September 2, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait to hear more from the self-described "f*ckin' redneck" poacher father. What a classy bunch of people to drop in the White House.

Posted by: Matthew | September 2, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

required reading:
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Palin has much to prove
Alaskans can cheer, even while wondering ...
Fairbanks Daily News Miner - Published Saturday, August 30, 2008

Sen. John McCain’s selection of Gov. Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate was a stunning decision that should make Alaskans proud, even if we wonder about the actual merits of the choice.

No Alaskan politician has risen to such national prominence before. The closest was former Gov. Wally Hickel, whom President Nixon chose as Interior secretary in 1969. Palin is truly a remarkable figure, a person carried forward to enormous fame by the times and her personal charm and principles.

Alaskans and Americans must ask, though, whether she should become vice president and, more importantly, be placed first in line to become president.

When a candidate for president picks a vice presidential running mate, that partner ought to have more qualifications than “She’s not from Washington.”

McCain offered that justification Friday morning for his decision. There was a lot more, of course, about the governor’s “grit, integrity and devotion to the common good.” But after cataloging her basic decency and compassion for the common man, what was there? “She’s not from Washington.” No doubt about it. In fact, as the governor herself acknowledged in her acceptance speech, she never set out to be involved in public affairs. She has never publicly demonstrated the kind of interest, much less expertise, in federal issues and foreign affairs that should mark a candidate for the second-highest office in the land. Republicans rightfully have criticized the Democratic nominee, Sen. Barack Obama, for his lack of experience, but Palin is a neophyte in comparison; how will Republicans reconcile the criticism of Obama with the obligatory cheering for Palin? Or will everyone just be forced to drop the subject? That’s not a comforting possibility. Although no one has the perfect resume and experience isn’t everything, it is an important quality to weigh. Palin, if elected vice president, would ascend to the presidency if anything should happen to McCain, who turned 72 Friday.

Most people would acknowledge that, regardless of her charm and good intentions, Palin is not ready for the top job. McCain seems to have put his political interests ahead of the nation’s when he created the possibility that she might fill it.

It’s clear that McCain picked Palin for reasons of image, not substance. She’s a woman. She has fought corruption. She has fought the oil companies. She’s married to a union member. These are portrayals for campaign speeches; they are not policy positions.

There also was some pandering right from the start. “I told Congress ‘Thanks but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere,’” Palin reported to the crowd in Dayton, Ohio. “If our state wanted a bridge, I said, we’d build it ourselves.”

But the state kept the bridge money. That’s because Alaskans pay federal gas taxes and they expect a share of those taxes to come back, just like people do in every other state. We build very little by ourselves, and any governor who turned that tax money down likely would be turned out of office.

Palin’s image as a fresh reformer works on some level, for the moment. The governor, as she is quite able to do, delivered a good speech in a strong voice. The crowd cheered her enthusiastically, only occasionally fading into the “huh?” mode during the presentation. The televised punditry followed up with mostly positive comments, calling Palin’s selection a clever “chess move” by McCain. The chess analogy offers some caution. Gov. Palin, while extending her amazing adventure in politics, must prove she is more than a pawn.

http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/aug/30/palin-has-much-prove/?opinion

Posted by: john | September 2, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Are Palins Kids an issue in the Campaign? Before this came out abortion rights activist we talking about her 6 month infant and her 5 kids. Should we totally dismiss too. Guess what, she will be raising two more now so of course its an issue. If you focus on her beutiful family as a positive why is it unfair to bring out the negatives.

Posted by: D | September 2, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

No worries about Sarah "Harriett Miers" Palin. All she's supposed to do is check on the health of the president and attend furnerals for 3rd world dictators.

There should be no issue about the fact that Caribou Barbie has been busted as a right wing hypocrite. She choice to have her baby with Down Syndrome. Note that she mentions that she made the choice numerous times. I can't figure out why she wants to take the opportunity for other women to make the same choice she did.

Posted by: tom | September 2, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

What is truly sad about reading the postings is that so many people find it acceptable to be demeaning and crude. The vile comments about an innocent child who is handicapped does what, show intolerance? I guess it is too hard to put together an authentic argument that is well thought out and stated with unemotional facts. The same lecturers that demean a hadicapped child will lament others are unsensitive, but again I guess it only matters when it is against something you want or believe. Why not apply the same standards equally. There is a big difference in my mind when we are talking adult actions or the actions of teens and children. But then I am willing to apply the same standards to both sides. If we were discussing the teen child of any elected represenative, as long as that represenative did not use their power inappropriately to get something for that teen, I would say hands off. Now if you would like to discuss Palin's Troopergate, then that is fair game as is the fact that Biden's son is a lobyist (note the difference here is that we are looking at the actions of a candidates adult children).

Posted by: VaRob | September 2, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

If this had happened to a democrat I'd speculate the republican response would be:
"If she can't control family values in her own family, how can she advocate family values for the nation and the world.
Or, If she cannot lead her own families moral values, how can she lead the nations..yada yada yada

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

What this country has come to . . . I guess this takes away the attention from Paris and Brittany. Let's focus on the *real* issues folks--funding for ex ed? Absolutely. Troopergate? Yes, fair game. Flip-flop on bridge? Yes, defend this please, Gov. Palin. McCain claiming to be a maverick when he caves to the Neo-Cons and religious right and has been "borged?" Yes--these are the stories!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Lovely commenters you've got here, E.J.

Posted by: Jeremy | September 2, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"Palin is a good pick, Women feel like she is one of them, Men think she is hott. They even have a poll asking how hott is Palin?"

Let me get this straight. You think people should vote based on appearance? All the problems we have right now and you're going to vote for her because she is "hott" [sic]? No wonder this country is so screwed up.

Posted by: Dilireus | September 2, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

How about this for a conspiracy theory:

John McCain is gambling that, what with a four month old bay with Down's syndrome and and 17 year old daughter who's five months pregnant, Palin's VP candidacy is going to be a complete train wreck. Palin will last just long enough to get through the Republican convention and to pull in a fresh round of donations from the social conservatives.

Then, like a beacon of strength, McCain can demonstrate the leadership that makes him Commander-in-Chief material - by kicking Palin to the curb (with a heavy dose of I-told-you-so to the feminists and social conservatives) and selecting Lieberman as VP candidate (which is what McCain wanted all along).

Posted by: John | September 2, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen the pics of them with all their guns posing for the camera. Bristol has a sidearm in one hand, its pretty funny.

Posted by: Matthew | September 2, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

let`s be honest. She is more than qualified to be the Wasilla dogcatcher...more lying c r a p from the untrustworthy Right

Posted by: cleve | September 2, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

McCain is WORSE than Sarah Palin so I don't understand why everyone is talking about her life.

Did you hear when McCain came home from Vietnam, after his wife waited for him, he divorce his wife who had been in a horrible accident? Did you hear how even after we illegally invaded an innocent nation and killed over one million of their people, McCain says we are going to stay for 100 years! Great pro family, pro life values!

Posted by: lara | September 2, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I know Barack has told us that "family" is off limits. My observations about Palin and her preggers daughter don’t belong in that category, so I'm going to share them with you. Step back with me for a more objective, reasoned insight into the Republican character.

Several weeks ago we were victimized by TV commercials that compared Barack Obama with celebrities Paris Hilton and Brittany Spears. The unspoken assumption of course was that Paris and Brittany are trash. At about the same time this was happening, Brittany’s sister made headlines by getting knocked up. Sound familiar?

The press couldn’t wait to get its claws on Brittany’s sister, implying that she was trash from a family of trash. They took it as proof that Brittany’s mother was a negligent mom.

But notice now how the Evangelical GOP spins the very same issue to their advantage. Is Bristol Palin trash? Is Sarah Palin trash? Oh no. Bite your tongue. Republicans take this as proof that Sarah Palin and her daughter are upstanding examples of . . . of . . . what? The abstinence that Sarah Palin preaches? Give me a break.

These are vicious, righteous, smiling hypocrites, nothing more, bent on convincing us, no matter how many slanderous, insinuating lies it takes, that God is on their side and not ours.

Vote for McCain?
You must be insane.

Posted by: Morton Redner | September 2, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Are these "Republican" family values?

http://www.mediatakeout.com/2008/26330-explosive_pics_vp_candidate_palins_daughter_is_wilder_than_britney__pics_of_her_and_her_girls_getting_drunk_and_kissing_each_other.html

Posted by: Kevin | September 2, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

They aren't even sure levi johnson is the father. Apparently Bristol had a vicious appetite and would screw anything that wasn't bolted down.

Posted by: Johna | September 2, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Also, no one is focusing on the kid or calling her out. THey are calling the mother ou and showing how with additionaly responsibilties now come new critiques.

Posted by: D | September 2, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Palin is obviously more qualified to run this country than Obama is. He's never run anything.

Posted by: ras | September 2, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

The consenting age is 16 in Alaska so it's not like this person broke the law.

Besides, the only difference between Bristol's situation and similar situations with other young people is that instead of terminating the pregnancy and covering it up, Bristol comes out with it.

If you want delve into some real issues with a candidate, try checking on relations to Rezko, Kilpatric, Ayers, and Pastor Wright(20 years worth). Then you'll find the real problems.

Posted by: Morton | September 2, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"I love how suddenly the Republican party thinks issues involving politician's sex lives, or the sex lives of their family members are "private". Isn't this the same party that impeached Bill Clinton over an affair with Monica Lewinsky?"

Paul, that's a faulty analogy. First, Bill Clinton was impeached on charges of perjury before a grand jury and obstruction of justice, not because he cheated on his wife. Second, it was Bill Clinton's own personal indiscretion that became the subject of scrutiny, not the indiscretion of anyone in his family. While it is fair to judge the moral character of an individual based on his or her own actions and decisions, it is much more difficult to justify judging the moral character of an individual based on the poor decisions of their family members. Parents can do everything in their power to influence the decisions of their teenage children, but they have a very limited ability to control their actions. They should not be unfairly judged unless they are somehow directly responsible for influencing these actions, which in no way can be shown with Gov. Palin.

Posted by: EZ | September 2, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

To be fair, when Palin stood-up at her presentation, she made the boast that she was a "hockey mom". It was Palin herself, and by extension the McCain organization that sought to sell this woman on the strength of her family values, and the fact that she is a mother of five. So while all the questions asked in this piece are relevant; I also believe that Palin's family values, and therefore her family are also subject to question. Otherwise Palin had no right to flaunt them to the media in order to garner support.

Posted by: festinog | September 2, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

This selection is the joke of the century in politics. We have now seen the great unwavering stupidity of the Republican party at it's finest. I sit here stunned that so many Americans are buying in to this circus that John McCain is running.
Well, I'M NOT STUPID JOHN McCAIN!
Don't play me for stupid anymore with your
f#&%ing silly adds and empty rhetoric!
This will not be your time, once again.

Posted by: Jimi | September 2, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Look this country elected Bush ... TWICE!!! nothing surprises me anymore.

Posted by: Bill in NY | September 2, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Dionne you point a critical finger at Palin and McCain, justifiably so. However, even the New York Tme's called BO "elusive" yet you haven't cast the same critical eye at BO, fair and level reporting? I think not.
I respect the privacy of both Palin and her daughter in this matter and find most of the respondents absolutely wrong, mean spirited, pointless and bluntly partisan.

Posted by: Gary | September 2, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I'll agree to keep Bristol Palin's pregnancy a personal issue if Republicans agree to keep reproductive choices for the rest of a personal issue as well.

Posted by: Randy | September 2, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Palin campaigned on an abstinence only sex ed policy in Alaska which is what her daughter got. I believe she owes the electorate an explanation on how this policy when wrong in her own family. I am not impressed.

Posted by: hdauber | September 2, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

>>The pregnancy story is a huge distraction from the questions that surround the choice of Sarah Palin.

If Sarah Palin becomes VP, there's a chance she'd become president. Since she is a religious fundamentalist that believes women should not have the right to choose, this is a relevant issue. Given an opportunity, wouldn't she nominate anti-choice candidates to the supreme court? The pregnancy story is not a distraction, it is a clear demonstration of Sarah Palin's "policies" in action, i.e., abstinence only education and eliminating the right to choose. Yes, Bristol's family will give their full love and support, but that is not the case for all teen mothers.

Posted by: anthony | September 2, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

What was John McCain thinking? Did he know anything about Sarah Palin before he chose her to be his VP?

It sure doesn't seem like it...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

B.O. supporters are just pissed because McCain made a better VP pick - especially in terms of true "change"!!

McCain has beat B.O. at his own game and people are whining about it. Sad.

So are we to break the glass ceiling or not? Are you scared or what?

Posted by: Rich | September 2, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Gov Palin is two things:
1) GILF
2) Quayle for a new millenium

The former does not moot the latter.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

You can say that Palin's daughter is off-limits and none-of-our-business, but Sarah Palin would, quick as a wink, pack the Supreme Court with justices that are against abortion. Then we would all be forced to live by her questionable values.

Posted by: Eric | September 2, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans know they are losing and rightly so. These screwed-up Evangelicals and Neocons don't know left from right, up from down. They have NEVER seriously addressed the issues facing this country and the world because they are INCAPABLE of doing so.

They are all a confused bunch of nitwits who are more than ready to attack the Eastern educated liberals who are attempting to fix some of the damage they have caused since Bush was elected. They don't have a brain in their collective heads and are more than happy to sacrifice individual freedoms for their crazed ideology.

What a joke McCain and Palin are, as well as Rick Davis. They will crash and burn along with George, Dick, Condi, Gonzales and all the others who crashed and burned before this.

McCain is a do-do bird. And his running mate belongs in the outback.

Posted by: sanity | September 2, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

they wanted the public to know thats why he picked her in the first place.sarah sold her daughter out.i can hear her telling her kid you are going to have to suck it up because i am not going to turn this job down.it's not the kid fault it's the mothers fault shes using her kid in a way, for her political gain.i don't want her to go anywhere i want her to experience this pain and see if it was worth it in the end.john mccain is just as sick at his age to want to run for pres.you watch all thats taken place with the repub party and this is what i get out of them.ok john you lost the bet you have to run for the presidency. the greatest strength the repub have right now is lunacy.the ideas they come up with to try and win the white house is pathetic.

Posted by: frank | September 2, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

The real question each person should be asking themselves is "What do I believe about the purpose and value of children?"

I really like Barak, but he says that he wouldn't want his daughter 'punished' with a baby if she got pregnant. Tells me that he views parenting as a burden to be endured, but not a noble vocation to be embraced. That children are a necessary burden, but not a blessing or gift. "What do I believe about the purpose and value of children?"

One guy (above) says its wrong to bring a baby with Downs Syndrome into the world because it will suffer. Your statement betrays the fact that you've never met anyone with Downs syndrome. Why are YOU so afraid of suffering? Sounds like he'd rather kill it than allow it to live, that because he decides it is 'inferior' it should die. Sounds like Germany 1939 to me.

I think the fact that a 17-year-old is having sex is, well, the same thing that's been happening for thousands of years. The difference is that now we somehow think it is a BAD decision to get married and have the baby. What the hell is wrong with people?!? You people think she should kill it, or raise it as single mom? Great ideas! You want to know the reason why so many marriages end in divorce? Contraception.

The bottom line is that contraception=more abortions, contraception=more divorce, contraception=less respect for women because now they are sex objects that men can have anytime without the consequences of pregnancy? Counterintuitive? Maybe, but George Akerlof at Berkeley has hit the nail on the head with this one. If you haven't read his work or looked at the data yourself, you should!


Posted by: ThePerfessor | September 2, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

who cares if Palin's teen daughter is pregnant? the issue is that McCain has shown horrible judgement in selecting her. The fact is she's a terrible candidate for many other reasons beside the daughter thing: she's under investigation for a serious ethics violation, her husband was arrested for DUI and who knows what else, she supported the infamous "bridge to nowhere" before she didn't support it, she thinks we're in Iraq as part of God's direction and plan, and she is under the impression that the world was created just 4000 years ago. So get ready for more painful and grotesque national embarrassment if they're elected. I think Mackie's selection proves that they were panicked, desperate and deeply threatened by Obama/Biden.

Posted by: alex | September 2, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I think that if we were discussing one of Obama's daughters who were the same age and in a similar condition as Bristol Palin; this nation would turn on it's side and discredit him and call him a bad father and not fit for the presidency. It just kills me the way people have double standards and justify a situation so that it is in their favor.

Posted by: Angel | September 2, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

The only experience Palin has is in running her family into moral disrepute. Her name is not allowed in our church and I spent my whole time at the pulpit damning her.

Posted by: Johna | September 2, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I agree that the pregnancy is a distraction, and that using this teen pregnancy as a segue to a party's agenda is not a productive conversation. What seems to be missed is that Sara Palin was not John McCain's first pick, and the would be future commander and chief was influenced by party politics. He puts party before country.

Posted by: independent thinker | September 2, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

What was John McCain thinking? Did he know anything about Sarah Palin before he chose her to be his VP?
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They say they knew. If they did, they did an atrocious job of breaking the news. Which makes me think they didn't know.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"At a loss" wrote: ''We know plenty about Barack Hussein Obama and his association with Wright, Ayres and his other shady, American hating friends.''

Dear At a loss:

Obama may have Ayers. But guess what? McCain was one of the Keating Five responsible for the Savings & Loans scandal and it is his powerful father-in-laws money that kept him from going to jail. He helped Keating act illegally and skated away with an 'admonishment,' while his pal Keating did five years in prison.

Obama may have Wright, a crazy selfish guy who said some insane things and Obama was too slow in his denouncing of Wright. How exactly is this any different from Palin's neighbor, Alaska Senator Stevens, who has acted illegally and is under indictment for illegal acts, yet after his home was raided by the police, Palin (who claims to fight corruption in her own party) went on record praising Stevens and standing by her fellow corrupt Republican friend?

And Obama may have had a couple "America-hating friends, but Palin HERSELF is an UNpatriotic ANTI-American... she chose to join the AIP, a radical separatist movement that tried to encourage Alaskans to vote on having Alaska secede from the union and become its own country. Your precious Palin has knowingly joined anti-American clubs.

Dear "At a loss": when you point your finger at someone else, you should remember that 4 of your other fingers are pointed right back at you.

Posted by: Midwest American | September 2, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

What does God have to say about John McCain and his well documented admission to adultry along with the adultry of his current wife?

What does God have to say about premarital sex as an underage teenage baby girl.

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

"We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did--and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died." (1 Corinthians 10:8)

"Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral." (Hebrews 13:4)

"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-- their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)

"I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him." (2 Corinthians 11:2)

In Genesis God proclaimed the 10 COMMANDMENTS Via Moses:

The seventh COMMANDMENT IS (and I am quoting God Himself): Thou shalt not commit ADULTRY!

As a christian I have no choice but to vote for the best christians on the ballot. Those good christians are Barak Obama and Joe Biden.

Vote for Obama/Biden or dishonor God. Its that simple christians.

Posted by: Good Christian Soldier | September 2, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I am a white woman. I was excited about Sarah Palin chosen to be Vice President. Then I started my research on Sarah Palin. What I found alarmed me. I saw inexperience - both professionally and did not find her to be legally astute. Everyone go research! This lady is alarming!! This lady is more interested in corporate interests and money than protecting the health of her own people. Sarah has said she does not/did not back bill addressing pollution/chemical drainage regulation/enforcement for mines draining into salmon streams. Sarah is saying yes, it is ok for people to eat these salmon!!! Yes, Sarah Palin says it is ok for these people to develop cancer, possibly die, and most assuredly develop other medical condition from chemical/pollution drainage. Sarah Palin wants no oversight of this drainage. Sarah Palin has outrageous views on global warming. Her inexperience and lack of legal astuteness was quite apparent in agency/governmental documents 400+ pages made available to public by police union regarding investigation. If this trooper is a jerk and dangerous, she did not advise, protect, and show legal sound proof to protect herself, her family, herself, and all residents of Alaska. If experienced she would have. No Sarah Palin does not get my vote.

Posted by: Sharon | September 2, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Nude photos of Sarah Palin getting ready to drop after the convention...watch out! We all did stupid things as kids that will come back to haunt us.
STAY TUNED....

Posted by: SARA PALIN NUDE PHOTOS | September 2, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Palin is not only more experienced and has demonstrated more successful action than B.O., she is also more of a MAN than B.O.

I bet she could out-bowl him anyday.. and she could probably shoot and Gut a Caribou quicker than him as well.

Also, it's Sarah Barracuda, the basketball player... Let's see the BASKETBALL MATCH!!!

Posted by: Irene | September 2, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Dilireus,

Obama had 143 days in office when he announced plans to see if he should run for president. Prior to this he was a city councilman. You dare criticize others for voting based on something other than ability?

If it wasn't for George Soros and other socialists, Obama would still be in Chicago.

Posted by: Questioning | September 2, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

What the hell was John McCain thinking? He is smoking something for sure.

Posted by: Agustin Gonzalez | September 2, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

only 100% vegans got any right to say anything against hunting.

Posted by: moi | September 2, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Salmo I am glad you donated $1000 to McCain. I will match that. The plan is to return the retards back into office so that they will continue to bankrupt the country. You and me we are the same. ;)

Posted by: Johna | September 2, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I Live in Fairbanks, Alaska.

I know Sarah Palin.

I have worked with her.

Sarah is smart, funny, and sincere. What you see is what you get- Sarah simply does not have a fake political persona during the day, and another after she goes home.
At Sarah's inauguration for Governor, I saw tears well up in her eyes as she took her oath of office and affirmed her obligation to defend Alaska's Constitution.

Alaska has made great gains under her leadership, from revising a corruption rigged oil tax structure that was costing Alaska billions, to real ethics reforms that pissed off the good old boy Republicans up here.

The circumstances surrounding one of Sarah's kids was known up here- and John McCain absolutely knew about it before he tapped Sarah as his running mate.

But so what?

What is sad about all of this is that that issue has no bearing on US Economic policy, trade relations, the US deficit, or the energy crisis.

Americans seem more interested in tabloid style journalism than substance.

Last night we watched little Katie Couric on the CBS Evening News spend a sizable portion of the broadcast on the pregnancy.

Think that Walter Cronkite would have done the same?

No way.

Lets move on.

Posted by: Merrick | September 2, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Shame on all of you. That is all I have to say.

Posted by: LEM | September 2, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is not only a Maverick, he has balls of STEEL!!!


Go John McCain!!

Posted by: Fred | September 2, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Yes, independent thinker!

Notice how everyone who hopes to gain by a McCain presidency just tows the party line . . . where have the real Repubs gone? Over-run by the religious right and Carl Rove. No backbone! McCain could have had my vote at some point in the past--no way, no how, no McCain now. Please Repubs: get your party back!!

An independent for Obama--

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Now there's a rumor that Palin's Down Syndrome baby actually belongs to her daughter who's pregnant with her second illegitimate child. Good job John in picking a VP

Posted by: kNOWITALL | September 2, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is doing the right thing as a woman and doing the right thing as a Mother of 5 beautiful children.

The media has put the weight of the world on a 17 year old shoulders and if by slim chance McCain/Palin loses the election that young girl will feel as if she is responsible because of the media attention now directed at her because of her personal choice, bad or good.

Those that are casting stones might just stand back and consider the heart of the person as opposed to the gain made from mockery and humiliation.

Posted by: Nomad | September 2, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

LEM I lost all my shame many years ago when I got straight with Jesus.

Posted by: Johna | September 2, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Those who claim that there needs to be a filing of statutory rape need to learn the law. In most states if a person is above the age of 18 and still enrolled in highschool, statutory rape can only come into effect if there is a 2 or more year difference between the adult and minor involved in the sexual intercourse. They are only a year or so apart. Just some info, before you look like an ass.

Posted by: Law | September 2, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I suppose she could be a poster child for the democrats if she had drug her daughter down to the local abortionist so he could suck its brains into a sink. That would have been just fine, right?

Posted by: Robert Campbell | September 2, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

A crazy creationist!!! Please!!! A VP who guts a deer!!! A cray NRA supporter!!! A mother who opposes condoms and teaching safe sex and ends up with...!!!

This is disgusting. Please, extreme right crazy lady, even if your party wins in November don't come to Europe. We'll welcome you with buckets of tomato juice... the closest thing to blood.

Posted by: Across the pond | September 2, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Situation for Secret Service Agents who will be assigned to provide protection for Bristol, baby, and soon to be hubby?

In Virginia the 18 year old dad will be charged with a misdemeanor, serve a year in jail, and pay a $2,500 fine.

Not in Alaska. The minimum consensual age is 16. That age is lowered to 15 if the perp reasonably believes the child to be 16. Thus Alaska allows teachers to have sex with high school freshmen or fresh women if they reasonably believe the child to be 16.

Posted by: theodosia1 | September 2, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

White baby=conservative family values
Black baby=lazy welfare ghetto hoodlums

Bristol, her lame mother and the entire GOP are fair game. They set the rules to this game up. Reap it.

Sorry girlfriend. Welcome to the big leagues

Posted by: Fed Up | September 2, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama's parent's weren't married so why don't we talk about him? Hmmm.

Posted by: bill | September 2, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Once a person start running for public office or hold a public office your whole life become an issue, including your family. You are already become part of the public domain. You do not want to be there, then you do not run for public office. Had she (bristol) killed somebody, wouldn't we want to know?
Had she been a terrorist, wouldn't we need to know and why?

The only reservation I have is how the story has been reported.

Posted by: Omidal | September 2, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"How about this for a conspiracy theory:

John McCain is gambling that, what with a four month old bay with Down's syndrome and and 17 year old daughter who's five months pregnant, Palin's VP candidacy is going to be a complete train wreck. Palin will last just long enough to get through the Republican convention and to pull in a fresh round of donations from the social conservatives.

Then, like a beacon of strength, McCain can demonstrate the leadership that makes him Commander-in-Chief material - by kicking Palin to the curb (with a heavy dose of I-told-you-so to the feminists and social conservatives) and selecting Lieberman as VP candidate (which is what McCain wanted all along)."

I was thinking this too. McCain has been doing a fancy job of "realpolitik" this time round, his calculation is: "If you can't get the nomination, you can't be President"

Moreover, you can't get the nomination and Rep base buck$$$ without snuggling up to the relgioious right, which McCain has always hated. (They have hated him too, BTW)

Not sure he is planning to boot Palin before the election though. His plan may be to loose her sometime after the election(on the off chance he wins), perhaps he is hoping she will resign after he sends her chasing to places like South Africa, Chad, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia..

Palin in Saudi...what a picture that paints..lol!

Posted by: plaza04433 | September 2, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I just need to comment on something. I just read that Obama had made some claims about Palin's inexperience, but what struck me was that the Rep. spokeperson didn't accuse Obama of his inexperience or something along those lines, but instead claimed that his comments were sexist.How?
I mean what he said was about her political experience not her being a woman so how can someone claim that he was sexist? thats like someone saying something about Obama and calling that person a racist for having a negative view towards the candidate. Republicans can you please explain why a Rep. spokesperson could say that, if they critize when they get blamed for being racist?

Posted by: Please READ | September 2, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Law the point is that Sarah Palin knew this Levi guy had been raping her daughter for years. That's bad judgement in my opinion. If she were VP, do we really want her to look the other way while our country is being raped?

Posted by: Johna | September 2, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

It is fascinating watching people defend and intellectualize for Sarah Palin, how she's qualified, so capable -- just like they did with Harriet Miers. If she sticks around, in debates, she'll be humiliated, Joe Biden is going to crush her. She won't fool him for a second, and he won't make a mistake being to "harsh". McCain's campaign will continue to get blindsided by revelations in a cycle that is out of their control, continually getting stalled in momentum because he didn't check out her past. This being written by someone who admires McCain, and I want him to win.

Posted by: whoo_whoo | September 2, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Of course Bristol Palin's pregnancy matters as a public and electoral issue. Candidate Palin promotes a public policy of preaching abstinence to our nations youth and is against basic sex education in the public school. When faced with the dismal results of this policy failure in her own home, how candidate Palin reacts to this is critical. This is not a personal matter in that respect. It also speaks to her judgment in supporting public policy not based on science or reason but rather personal belief.

Palin also believes that global warming is a "crock"...she does not base this on science or reason but on personal belief. If we are to trust her beliefs that "abstinence only" programs work when her own experience shows clearly it does not, how do we take any of her other public policy positions such as ignoring global warming and her desire to teach "creationism" at all serious in a position where she is a heart beat away from governing the life of 300,000,000 people including mine???

This whole discussion of lets only talk about Iraq or the credit and housing crisis is an absurd notion. We have to know where the candidates stand on that vast multitude of social issues facing our nation and how the candidates arrive at their positions.

Posted by: Ariel | September 2, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

McSame is doing what Bush did successfully; aim for the "stupid" vote. Well he has it locked in with this one!

Posted by: Bill in NY | September 2, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

So many haters. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Why is a woman torn down by these issues when Bill Clinton, Edwards and even your hero JFK get a pass? Stop the hate.

Posted by: ras | September 2, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

What if Hillary Clinton had an underage daughter who got pregnant? The religious right would be having a field day. It was cruel of Palin to subject her daughter to this. I'm sorry for the daughter and the humiliation she must be feeling. What's really shameful in this affair is that Palin sacrificed her daughter's well-being in her own grab for political power. To be fair, both parents acted irresponsibly here, a terrible failure of judgment on both their parts.

Posted by: lens | September 2, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

If Sarah Palin cant raise here daughter "right", then how is she supposed to run our country "right"? This should be a big issue, especially since her platform is "hockey mom", which she obviously isnt very good at.

Posted by: doughboy | September 2, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

No one cares about your opinion

or the opinion of the author of this useless article which says nothing important.

Posted by: john deere | September 2, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Questioning:
Obama was a State Senator from 1997 to 2004--

Read!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

McCain should have chosen someone really qualified, like Kathleen Harris for instance.

Posted by: snoopy | September 2, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

No one cares about your opinion

or the opinion of the author of this useless article which says nothing important.

Posted by: jane deer | September 2, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin has had to make daily decisions regarding and deal with state budgets, Alaska National Guard, Republican corruption, Health and Human services, environmental issues, big oil and "the good O'll Boy" network. Delivered 5 children (something Obama/Biden could never ever do). She has 13 years in public service.
Obama/Biden("Good Old Boys"), Obama, 141 days in the Senate, 200 days campaigning, 4 days of Foreign Policy experience (Trip to Iraq/Germany).
Joe Biden (Sexist), 36 years in the Senate, 10 years on the train from Wilmington to DC., 5 years in the same chair on Foreign Relations and Judiciary Committees. His foreign relations experience, memorizing all the stops on the train from Wilmington to DC.
All he can say is "She's good looking" . Suffers from a bad case of foot-in-mouth decease.
Amazing that a 43 year old woman is more qualified then the Obama/Biden combined.

Now the comparison Obama and Sarah Palin and the real shame is Obama has gone to the "Dark Side" with his minions going totally negative, attacking a 17 year old girl. He claims family and children are out of bounds from one side of his mouth, then from the other side turns the job over to his supporters to do the dirty work....NY Time, three articles about a person not in the campaign. Pee-Ditty with his Utube attack......guess we can now talk about Obama's drug use, where did he get the drugs , are his kids in play....is this where all this is going? I hope not.

Posted by: starryperdun | September 2, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

ras whatever I do is out of love.

Posted by: Johna | September 2, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Obama's mama was 18 when she had him...

or so we heard from his auto-biography

You know what's weird?

Why were Michele and Barack himself the only people in his Introduction video at the DNC?

I smell a rat.

Attack Palin's experience, you're attacking Obama
Attack Bristol's situation, you're attacking Obama

Posted by: Gina | September 2, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

If elected John McCain will be the oldest president ever, which raises a concern to me that there is a higher probability that he will not last to finish his term. What worries me, if this happens, Palin will not be prepared to take over the presidency.

I don't like the fact McCain chose her, and it makes me doubt his judgment. Based on the little amount of information we know about her, she is not qualified to be vp, and much less president. He choice clearly shows that he is more worried about winning the election than the future of his country. I'm sure he will gain some votes from social conservatives who are passionate about emotion-driven issues like abortion and guns, who completely disregard more important issues like the economy, the war, and healthcare.

Just by the looks, you can see that she doesn't seem to be a person to take seriously. She actually looks like a bimbo. She prides to be a 'Hockey Mom', yet her underage daughter is pregnant. It's something you would expect from a democrat.

I'm looking forward seeing her in a debate.

My question is, when should a public figure's personal life matter? (infidelity, pregnant underage daughter, drugs use, etc)

Posted by: eric | September 2, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe all of the 'christians' out there who think that Sarah Palin has somehow failed in her efforts to teach her daughter abstinence only. Maybe you live in your little bubble, but even the best of kids (and adults, for that matter) can get themselves into trouble, even after being taught to abstain. Better men and women than you or I have fallen. Why should you think less of her or her daughter for that matter? "Judge not, that ye be not judged.." That's good advice.

By the way, we're not talking about a 15 year old with ah newborn child. She's practically 18, and she can take care of a baby. It's been done before. Don't think that Grandma Palin has to come to the rescue.

Posted by: Craig | September 2, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

The bloom is off the rose.

Women, both conservative and liberal, have now had a few days to digest the coverage regarding Palin. Her daughter has nothing to do with the change of heart of some of her early supporters. It is the reality that she does not have the experience.

Posted by: Kathleen | September 2, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Why the devil should Palin's daughter's life (a minor in the care of Palin), not be judged thru the lens of society?!?! Biden's and Obama's family life and histories have been thru the media wringer. Cheney's lesbian daughter was pertinent as he was against gay rights. Palin's daughter and her life is open for interpretation s it is a representation of Palin's views on abstinence-only education.
If Barack's daughter had been caught smoking a cigarette, he would have been skewered as 'anti-family'!

Posted by: MotorFrend | September 2, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Stop trashing Palin!!! Just shut up!!! I'm afraid if she gets too bloodied up from all this she will leave the ticket! In which case, an experienced politician will assume the position, McCain and the Republicans will get all kinds of sympathy, and the Dems will have a real fight on their hands.

Posted by: Baz | September 2, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

No one cares about your opinion.

Posted by: dear john | September 2, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure about everyone else, but I was a decent kid who went to and was pretty active in church. That being said, at 17, the lure of the ladies was pretty strong, despite my religious training and parental values. My parents were never around when I was making out with a girl behind the high school gym. The point? These kids are 17 and 18- these things happen.

Posted by: JS | September 2, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

"McCain knew about the baby and because he has love in his heart and because he is not a sexist like Obama looked at the person."

You're right. McCain LOVES his women. That's why he cheated on and later left his handicapped wife for a younger, wealthy woman.

I'm sure with a loving wife and two daughters, Obama must hate women.

What planet are you people from?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

No one cares about your opinion... or the uselessness of this article

Posted by: dear abby | September 2, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Let's hear Obama's grandma speak!!

Does she even exist?

Posted by: Mark | September 2, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

The Palin selection just sealed McCain's fate to lose in November.

"Alaska first" A group promoting sucession on Alaska from the US

"Bridge to Nowhere" Instrumental in it.

"State Trooper Scandal" Threw a family member under the bus.

Pro-book banning from Libraries.

Just a few to name. Not even gonna mention her daughter becuase she has enough problems in her past to mention ones in the present.

Posted by: Rob | September 2, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

The real issue:

What kind of 17-year old daughter would do this to her governor-mother??? Bristol's reckless pursuit of sexual gratification is outrageous considering that her mother holds such an esteemed position. 17 year olds should not be allowed to vote. Oh wait...

I suppose Bristol (home-schooled, sheltered) all of the sudden got popular with the boys once her "hot" mom went big-time to the State House.

Kids these days, they're incorrigible!

Cut 'em loose, I say. Yer on your own, hun.

Posted by: EarthGirlsAreEasy | September 2, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

What a dumb article

What a bunch of dumb people writing opinions that don't matter.

Posted by: dumb nuts | September 2, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Funny how Republican love to sling mud, no matter how false, but become outraged when legitimate questions about their "fantastic," "highly experienced" candidate are asked.

Posted by: Obama Supporter | September 2, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Your opinion is useless.

Come to the dark side.

Posted by: Opinion | September 2, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I guess Obama's parents should be fair game as well. Obama's parents never married and his "father" took off after he was born. He only ever met him once.

Palin has way more experience than obama. She runs a State that has a GNP of 47 billion. obama hasn't ran anything. Oh, and obama has never ran a single thing. Nothing! He was a "community organizer" and stayed in a holiday inn express though.

Posted by: Smell that | September 2, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

"I can't believe all of the 'christians' out there who think that Sarah Palin has somehow failed in her efforts to teach her daughter abstinence only. Maybe you live in your little bubble, but even the best of kids (and adults, for that matter) can get themselves into trouble, even after being taught to abstain. Better men and women than you or I have fallen. Why should you think less of her or her daughter for that matter? "Judge not, that ye be not judged.." That's good advice."

You may be right, but this makes it all the more important to teach sex ed in school. Palin needs to explain why she is against it in view of her failure with her own daughter.

Posted by: hdauber | September 2, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Totally stupid people writing opinions that don't matter

Posted by: numb nuts | September 2, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

The best thing about this article is that we can leave comments.

Obama is running to be PRESIDENT
Palin Experience+Actions > Obama Experience+Actions

Palin is running to be VICE PRESIDENT
McCain Experience+Actions > Biden Experience+Actions (Because McCain served our country's military honorably)

Palin has a Son that servers our US Army, you can thank him for upholding our Constitution and our way of life

Posted by: Joe | September 2, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

How stupid are you to waste time making useless points that no-one reads or cares about.

Posted by: unbelievable | September 2, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one who thinks it was irresponsible of Palin to subject her daughter to this media frenzy? For me, this failure of judgment, not the pregnancy itself, is the most troubling issue.

Posted by: lens | September 2, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Safe sex eh?

How about "Doh! the condom broke!"

This can happen to anyone

Posted by: Jenny | September 2, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Totally useless opinions that don't matter.

Your point is ignored

Posted by: Completely ignoratn | September 2, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"McCain knew about the baby and because he has love in his heart and because he is not a sexist like Obama looked at the person."

Yes, McCain LOVES his women. That's why he cheated on then left his handicapped wife for a younger, wealthy woman.

Obama on the other hand, with his loving wife and two daughters, must hate women.

What planet are you people from?

Posted by: Nick | September 2, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

unbelievable

People are still writing useless opinions that no-one will ever care about.

Posted by: wow ee | September 2, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

“Let me be as clear as possible … I think people’s families are off-limits and people’s children are especially off-limits,” said Senator Obama.

“Let me be as clear as possible … I think people’s families are off-limits and people’s children are especially off-limits,” said Senator Obama.

“Let me be as clear as possible … I think people’s families are off-limits and people’s children are especially off-limits,” said Senator Obama.

YOUR' IDEAL FUTURE LEADER SAID IT. SO YOU SUPPORT HIM, BUT NOT REALLY BECAUSE YOU COULD CARE LESS OF WHAT HE SAYS OR DOES. LOW LIFE PEOPLE! YOU ALL HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO, BUT PLAY IN OTHER PEOPLE'S GARBAGE!

Posted by: ASDF | September 2, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

"Safe sex eh?

How about "Doh! the condom broke!"

This can happen to anyone

Posted by: Jenny"

And the only difference between this person's situation and others is that she CHOSE NOT to terminate pregnancy and is instead BEING RESPONSIBLE

'nuff said

Posted by: Jenny | September 2, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

The next person to write their "opinion" is a true dumbass

Posted by: The next | September 2, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

right now the democractic party is on a level all by themselfs and it is great to see.i can't imagine what it would be like if there screws were loose.demos continue the good work.paid for by the line them up sign company.

Posted by: frank | September 2, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Three cheers for Jane!

Posted by: Richard | September 2, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Is Palin's son US Army or Alaska Army National Guard? There is an enormous difference.

Posted by: Will Jones | September 2, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Writing your opinion here is a waste of time.

Posted by: True dumb | September 2, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

There are myriad idiosyncracies that any candidate may have. Many have criticized Palin because she has agreed to run for a job that will take her away from her family. This would not be my choice--but it has been the choice of hundreds of thousands in America's recent history. And it has been forced on millions of impoverished people throughout world history. How can I criticize it? How can you? People are still surviving and some of our strongest achievers throughout the world come from the strangest of backgrounds. As for our politicians being held to a higher standard? Come on...that's ridiculous. All we have is a history of politicians trying to cover up the human part. And who do we really want to run our country? I get it--someone who is independently wealthy, has no responsabilities to anyone outside of themself, and is a genius skilled in diplomacy as well. Guess what? That person does not exist. And if they did, why would I want a person who is one step away from being a robot to make critical decisions about my country.

Look at our founding fathers--they weren't perfect. In fact, despite how noble some of them were, they were the first to admit their weaknesses. Just not during elections!

So, people keep criticizing...politicians keep struggling. I'll keep praying for those who happen to get elected. I believe the jobs are some of the most difficult.

Posted by: Katie | September 2, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Three cheers for Jane!

Posted by: Richard | September 2, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

My wife, who had some Evangelical Christian upbringing including college, was already saying that the Religious Right should be having a big problem with the fact that Palin has an infant child (not to mention four others). She says that Palin going to work at this point is strongly against Evangelical social beliefs. That was before the pregnant, unwed daughter. I'm pretty sure she's right about that, but does being Right trump being Religious with those folks? Comments?

Posted by: Peter | September 2, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Complete fools will continue to write meaningless thoughts about nothing.

No points proven

Posted by: complete fools | September 2, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I love how suddenly the Republican party thinks issues involving politician's sex lives, or the sex lives of their family members are "private". Isn't this the same party that impeached Bill Clinton over an affair with Monica Lewinsky?

Posted by: Wow | September 2, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

"Is Palin's son US Army or Alaska Army National Guard? There is an enormous difference.

Posted by: Will Jones"

Same difference considering the National Guard has been pulling rotations to War Zones since Bosnia(at least, probably earlier than that).

Are you trying to say this person putting their life on the line for your freedom is not worthy?

Shame on you.

Posted by: Bill | September 2, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Give the young girl a break. She made a mistake that she now has to live with. Give Sarah a break also. I'm confident she didn't tell her daughter to get pregant because there is a posibility I might run for VP and it will do a lot to damage the ticket. A lot of families have difficult times to deal with. The really strong families just give the people in trouble all the love and support they can and step up to their responsibilities and continue on with their life.
I fully support Sarah because we need people in responsible positions in govt that aren't trying to put the political spin on every problem that comes up. I'll bet she even knows what the meaning of "is is".

Posted by: Tom | September 2, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

HST says: "we on the right do not believe that sex ed should be taught in school. It is the responsibility of the two parents at home."

And what if there is only one parent at home? And what if that one parent is working two or three jobs to support the kids and falls asleep on his/her feet trying to get them fed and to bed afterward? What if that one parent talks abstinence-only education at home until he/she is blue in the face but the kids go out and respond to natural urges anyway? What if he/she hasn't had the time, energy or responsibility to teach those same kids about contraception? What if that one parent at home -- or, heck, both parents -- are too stoned, drunk or uneducated themselves to teach their children the facts of life? The taxpayers pay for public education. The taxpapers pay to support unplanned pregnancies and the resulting babies. I think the taxpayers should have a right -- no, they have a responsibility -- to teach students in public school how to avoid unwanted pregnancies. Not just some of the ways to avoid it -- "Just say no" -- but ALL of the ways to avoid it. Teaching all children how to prevent unwanted pregnancy (not to mention how to avoid any number of sexually-transmitted diseases) is a moral necessity that should -- MUST -- be required in the schools. If "you on the right" want to shield your children from life's realities, demand notification of when sex ed is taking place and yank your kids from class on those days. Don't make everyone's children suffer in ignorance just because you have chosen to make your progeny suffer in ignorance. Kids get this information whether we want them to or not. We need to be certain they're getting the RIGHT information.

Posted by: Think Again | September 2, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

writing your opinion here is useless and a waste of time.

Posted by: ridiculous | September 2, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Palin knew her daughter was pregnant when she decided to run for vice president. If you believe John McCain(and I do not), he knew it, too. Therefore, it seems disingenuous to
expect people to act as if it isn't part of the issue. It certainly goes to John McCain's
judgment and Sarah Palin's. He has destroyed any shred of credability he had left with me.

If Sarah Palin truly cared about her daughter's privacy, she is the one who could have prevented this scrutiny. We as the public need not feel guilty for noticing what has been trotted out before our eyes.

Posted by: Jackie | September 2, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

In this day and age, whether or not Bristol Palin should be part of the story, she is. Her mother put her there. Her mother apparently felt her career was more important than her daughter's own feelings, the feelings of whoever the father is, with the nation finding out about her daughter's pregnancy.

While Obama has taken the high road on this and asks the press to do so, it isn't happening.

What really should be the issue is Palin's lack of experience, self-righteousness, extremism, and pro-life stance to the detriment of women. (Save the fetus, not the woman or girl -- even if rape or incest is involved.)

Apparently, Palin has some real issues that need to be resolved, and being vice president is not going to help her or her family. It's not going to help our country one bit for an inexperienced, hypocrit to be in the White House. We already have had one for almost 8 years -- Bush.

Posted by: abby0802 | September 2, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

What does God have to say about John McCain and his well documented admission to adultry along with the adultry of his current wife?

What does God have to say about premarital sex as an underage teenage baby girl.

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

"We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did--and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died." (1 Corinthians 10:8)

"Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral." (Hebrews 13:4)

"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-- their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)

"I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him." (2 Corinthians 11:2)


In Genesis God proclaimed the 10 COMMANDMENTS Via Moses:

The seventh COMMANDMENT IS (and I am quoting God Himself): Thou shalt not commit ADULTRY!

As a christian I have no choice but to vote for the best christians on the ballot. Those good christians are Barak Obama and Joe Biden.

Vote for Obama/Biden or dishonor God. Its that simple christians.


Posted by: I HONOR GOD | September 2, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

What about the irresponsible father-to-be???

Wonder if McCain will be caught off camera wishing to slice off that guy's manhood?

Posted by: FoolsLoveCompany | September 2, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Who's to say she didn't want to be pregnant?

She is of consenting age anyway.

Go read your People magazine if you are so enamored with the close-up lives of others.

Besides, who cares? The Palin choice is still just as shockingly magnificent!!

Do you want to watch Biden on TV or Palin? Ha! That's exactly what I mean!

Posted by: Lonnie | September 2, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

lol dumb liberals are dumb.

Posted by: deman | September 2, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Palin: They say I'm young and we just met
One day is hardly time to vet

McCain: Well I don't know if all that's true 'Cause you got me, and baby I got you

McCain: Babe
BOTH: I got you babe
I got you babe

Posted by: hamishdad | September 2, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

What does God have to say about John McCain and his well documented admission to adultry along with the adultry of his current wife?

What does God have to say about premarital sex as an underage teenage baby girl.

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

"We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did--and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died." (1 Corinthians 10:8)

"Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral." (Hebrews 13:4)

"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-- their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)

"I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him." (2 Corinthians 11:2)


In Genesis God proclaimed the 10 COMMANDMENTS Via Moses:

The seventh COMMANDMENT IS (and I am quoting God Himself): Thou shalt not commit ADULTRY!

As a christian I have no choice but to vote for the best christians on the ballot. Those good christians are Barak Obama and Joe Biden.

Vote for Obama/Biden or dishonor God. Its that simple christians.


Posted by: HONOR GOD | September 2, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

wait wait wait, do U mean to tell me that its not important that the candidate for VP has a daughter thats pregnant at 17, you are correct this is not the issue. But in smelling rats go the stinch of it is all over this for one reason and one reason only. If this is true that a 17 year old of a Gov of Alaska is Prego by a 27 year old man thats 10 years her senior, and last I checked def a crime, and no one thinks this is News worthy come on , just saying the Name Palin now attracts such things as, Investigation, Statutory rape, and the ability to raise a special needs child (Not Retarded I hate that) not to mention help assist in running this country at a time like this, wars all over the place, and the United states in total down slides, please, this is the person that may end up running this freakin country, and yeah we need to know if she can rationalize and not think with her hormones, which so far she as shown the ability to do both thinking with hormones and her mind, but still this wash over is sad. If Barak had a 17 year old daughter Pregnant by a 27 year old pedifile thats what he is, they would as Palin say be hanging him from way up High, go figure, myabe I should be a Soccer mom seems thats where all the focus is. sad Sad Sad.
What will happen next bites nails. If your a public official your life is Our book and we will and should read it any time we freakin want, you don't want your dirty panties in the streets, don't take em off when U leave the house, you show them to us its fair game.

Posted by: Hold Em Up | September 2, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Three cheers for Jane!

Posted by: Richard | September 2, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

wow,
there is a difference between bill clinton and palin's daughter. bill clinton was the president of the united states doing things in the white house that shouldn't of been happening. palin's daughter is not running for office. bill lied under oath about what went on behind closed doors. the palin's have been open and honest about this.

Posted by: wow is a loser | September 2, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

@I HONOR GOD

Die in a fire, kthx!

Posted by: demon | September 2, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse


Obama was conceived out of wedlock too.

He should have known better.

My goodness!!!


Posted by: Jack The Ripper | September 2, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Truth told people - is she really a decent candidate? Why her? She is a moron by trade and I say that because this dummy allowed herself to get knocked up at 43 and bring a child into this world who had a higher than normal percentage chance of being born with Dow Syndrome. Are you people going to elect a VP and potential President who practiced unprotected sex at 43 and decided it was a good idea considering the following medically known statistics:

The occurrence or Trisomy 21 is directly related to the age of the mother. The older a woman is when she gives birth, the more likely the child is to be to get Trisomy 21.

Chance of getting Trisomy 21:

If mother is 18 years old: 1 in 2100
If mother is 30 years old: 1 in 1000
If mother is 40 years old: 1 in 110
If mother is 45 years old: 1 in 35

She had a 1 in 35 chance of bringing a child into this world who will suffer in many ways and she did it anyway.

McCain only proved what a complete idiot he is over the past 72 hours and all of you who are actually going to cheer for this twosome into office should make a time machine, travel back to when your respective mothers were preggie with you and plead, better yet, besiege upon them to abort you so that you can not be around in 2008 to cast your vote and drive this country into further turmoil.

Sarah Pailn, your a dummy, you bought a child into this world who you had a 1 in 35 chance of bringing in retarded and you banged out without a rubber anyway. There is no way I would want you as VP and thank the good lord your state is only 670K deep and mostly Men who think with their little heads or I would seriously consider casting out such a population of idiots from the Union for voting you into office. I would not vote you President of local Jared from Subway Fan Club let alone a real leadership role in this country.

Posted by: xfnreporter | September 2, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

What does God have to say about John McCain and his well documented admission to adultry along with the adultry of his current wife?

What does God have to say about premarital sex as an underage teenage baby girl.

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

"We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did--and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died." (1 Corinthians 10:8)

"Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral." (Hebrews 13:4)

"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-- their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)

"I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him." (2 Corinthians 11:2)


In Genesis God proclaimed the 10 COMMANDMENTS Via Moses:

The seventh COMMANDMENT IS (and I am quoting God Himself): Thou shalt not commit ADULTRY!

As a christian I have no choice but to vote for the best christians on the ballot. Those good christians are Barak Obama and Joe Biden.

Vote for Obama/Biden or dishonor God. Its that simple christians.


Posted by: HONOR GOD | September 2, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

When hiring low-level data-entry positions I interview someone at least twice face-to-face.

Who on god's green earth thinks it's a good idea to hire someone for VP after meeting them only once face-to-face?

The most important decision a presidential nominee makes is the selection of their VP.

WcCain went with someone he doesn't hardly even know.

Is that "good judgment"?

No. It's about the worst judgment I've ever seen.....

Posted by: Terrible Judgment by WcCain... | September 2, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Wow, these stories are a great diversion to the real issue:

WHY IS Barack Obama AFRAID to DEBATE MCCAIN?

BRING IT ON!! LET'S SEE WHAT YOU REALLY HAVE!

Posted by: Paul | September 2, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

the word racist and hatred should not offend anyone making comments because its accepted in america you see we play it and feel it all the time so don't get mad.

Posted by: frank | September 2, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

What a really smart choice.
Palin is totally hot, and it's really cool to think about her being dispatched to meet with other heads of state. Can you imagine her meeting with Karzai or Ahmadinejad? I think it'd be really disarming for them to deal with her. She's so nice and perky.

Posted by: Matt | September 2, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I learned yesterday that the far left is every bit the same as white supremacists or any other hate group. Frothing, bitter hatred of what this girl supposedly represents for getting pregnant early: lack of education, "trailer parks," irresponsibility, failure to "nip it in the bud" (to be euphemistic), stupidity. Problem is, teenage pregnancy is not the problem of a single party or political spectrum. What has emerged is the incredible contempt these far left people have for ordinary Americans who don't fit the common mold of PPDs (heard that one yesterday: Peacoat, Prius, and Dog!!!). I was an independent long before it was fashionable, and was actually very moved by Mr. Obama's speech last week. But if these are the kind of people who are going to gain power by his election, with their eugenics-minded hatred, I am now fully backing McCain/Palin.

Posted by: Bill | September 2, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

boy, you guys on the left are really worried, aren't you?

Posted by: tim | September 2, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

McCain never took the time to look at evidence of WMDs before voting for a war in Iraq why should selecting a VP candidate be any different for him?

Posted by: WMDs | September 2, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

The point is not about what has happened, but the spin that is put on it.

Child of a Democrat gets pregnant:
"She made an irresponsible decision due to poor parenting and and a lack of supervision. She'll probably either abort it or collect welfare."

Child of a Republican gets pregnant:
"She made a tough and responsible decision to keep that baby. Her private life should be a family matter."

I only wish that I was exaggerating...

Posted by: Nick | September 2, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

What does God have to say about John McCain and his well documented admission to adultry along with the adultry of his current wife?

What does God have to say about premarital sex as an underage teenage baby girl.

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

"We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did--and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died." (1 Corinthians 10:8)

"Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral." (Hebrews 13:4)

"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-- their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)

"I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him." (2 Corinthians 11:2)


In Genesis God proclaimed the 10 COMMANDMENTS Via Moses:

The seventh COMMANDMENT IS (and I am quoting God Himself): Thou shalt not commit ADULTRY!

As a christian I have no choice but to vote for the best christians on the ballot. Those good christians are Barak Obama and Joe Biden.

Vote for Obama/Biden or dishonor God. Its that simple christians.


Posted by: HONOR GOD | September 2, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Abstinence only? No sex before marriage? Works great, hahaha!

Posted by: ro | September 2, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin and family are nothing more than Alaskan trailer trash. They like to get drunk, jump in the pickup truck, shoot animals with high powered rifles and then go back to the trailer and make babies. John McCain is a moron for picking her.

Posted by: harry | September 2, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

The only things plain is capable of is win christian evangelical votes, and jerry springer drama.

Posted by: anon | September 2, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

ASDF said

"YOUR' IDEAL FUTURE LEADER SAID IT. SO YOU SUPPORT HIM, BUT NOT REALLY BECAUSE YOU COULD CARE LESS OF WHAT HE SAYS OR DOES. LOW LIFE PEOPLE! YOU ALL HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO, BUT PLAY IN OTHER PEOPLE'S GARBAGE!"

Don't republicans "PLAY IN OTHER PEOPLE'S GARBAGE" all the time? If the tables were turned, I think republicans would have a field day with this issue. I'm an independent and I saw this same kind of tactics used by republicans on their own people. Why cant republicans take the heat when it's them on the receiving side of this kind of sh*t. Just shows how much work McCain's staff did Vetting for Palin.... big fat ZERO!

Posted by: jose | September 2, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Ruby Tuesday! Oh, hee hee. Oh, yes, that's a belly-buster, Mr. Left-Wing Hack!

Posted by: j.a.m. | September 2, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The Trooper bro-in-law Palin tried to fire is actually the father of Bristol's child.

Tune in to Maury Povich for the paternity test.

Posted by: TrooperPooper | September 2, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

xtreme pro-life?

Posted by: Olympics committee | September 2, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Bush had lots of "experience" as Texas Governor before he became president, and see what he did to the country. A man who can't even speak his own native language, an embarrasment to every American. It is only our pride that prevents us all from making any more mockery out of him. After all, we elected him.

"I'm coming as the president of a friend, and I'm coming as a sportsman." —On his trip to the Olympics in China, Washington, D.C., July 30, 2008

We have enough coal to last for 250 years, yet coal also prevents an environmental challenge." —Washington, D.C., April 20, 2005

"I fully understand those who say you can't win this thing militarily. That's exactly what the United States military says, that you can't win this military."—on the need for political progress in Iraq, Washington, D.C., Oct. 17, 2007

"I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office."—Washington, D.C., May 12, 2008

Yeah, so Bush brought "experience" with an IQ of about 70 to the oval office. Compare that to Obama. Not much "experience", and an IQ at least greater than 130. Decide for yourself.

Posted by: heehaw | September 2, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

CBS needs to send Katie Couric to Alaska ASAP. And CNN MUST send Anderson Cooper up there to scour the courthouse records!!

I've heard that the husband's 2nd cousin, 3 times removed has had fishing violoations! As God is my witness, there are no doubt hunting violations, as well.

We couldn't possibly let THOSE PEOPLE move to Washington....what would the neighbors think?


Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I agree with all your comments. Bristol Palin is not the issue and she should be left alone. My big problem is when people talk out of both sides of their mouth. I am happy that she wants to keep her baby but what about the unprotected sex out of wedlock of high school aged kids. If they really wanted less abortions they should focus more on sex education and birth control so there would be less unwanted pregnancies and thus less abortions. You can't have it both ways!

Posted by: Larry | September 2, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

So here's two questions you have to answer by November sports fans:

1.) Was B.O.'s rehearsed, negative minded speech worth 500+ MILLION DOLLARS?

2.) Are you ready to CRASH through the glass ceiling, and never look back, with the dynamic wonder-woman and heart-throb Palin?

Now if Palin were as ugly as Biden, you might immediately answer NO to #2.... LOL

Posted by: Chris | September 2, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

1 vote here for McCain. 1 less for the dumocrats!

Posted by: McCain 1 | September 2, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin seems like a really nice person -- if she was going to start a TV show. But she's not ready to be the Commander in Chief. And by the way, it's not her daughter's fault. It's McCain's impulsive desperation that's thrown Bristol Palin and her family into the media glare. Let the whole family go back home to the bear and salmon, and let John McCain find someone who can properly complement his strengths and weaknesses

Posted by: gpbrown | September 2, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Christian is spelled with a capital C, morons. How can anyone claim to be a proper Christian if you can't even use the proper noun when you proclaim your faith.

Christ almighty. You probably write X-mas cards too.

Posted by: KeepChristInChristian | September 2, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Here's why this story matters: because the Republican's are constantly preaching morality, they bring this scrutiny upon themselves. Not only do they preach, it, but they constantly try to force their morality into legislation. At the same time, they are tapping toes in men's bathrooms, soliciting congressional pages for homosexual liaisons, and having babies out of wedlock.

If the Republicans want people to leave Bristol Palin alone, then they should stop the hypocritical morality platforms, and accept everyone for who they are. Until that happens, they are FAIR GAME. This will make Swift Boating look like child's play.

Posted by: steve | September 2, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I thought the issue regarding Bristol Palin was not that she is pregnant now, but that she was pregnant before and her mother covered it up. Sara Palin's honesty and credibility would then become an issue. In an effort to make the earlier pregnancy a non-issue, she has announced that Bristol is now pregnant and that the dates overlap, which precludes Bristol from being the mother of both babies. However, as far as I am concerned the only thing that would settle the issue would be for Palin and her husband to under go DNA testing to prove that they are BOTH the baby's parents. After all, republicans called for Edwards to get a paternity test, so I think that fair's fair, and the Palins should get tested too.

Posted by: Call for DNA test | September 2, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse


"Sarah Palin and family are nothing more than Alaskan trailer trash. John McCain is a moron"

WOW!!! We have a typical Obama supporter here, i.e. a self-serving gasbag of low moral fibre.

Posted by: Jack The Ripper | September 2, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is hot... her daughter is pregnant...

The GOP better hope that the discourse on Palin sticks with these meaningless trivialities.

Because the very real prospect of Sarah Palin, who claims not to know what the VP does, who was a member of an Anti-US secessionist party, who probably couldn't find either Georgia on a map, who lied about the "bridge to nowhere" just this weekend... becoming VP or even president, is truly scary.

But even more scary is John McCain's judgment. I guess he just doesn't want to be president after all.

Posted by: JT | September 2, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

The issue isn’t about the daughter’s pregnancy! None of us know much about the woman who John McCain has chosen to be “a heart beat away from the presidency”. Bristol Palin’s pregnancy is merely a window into Gov. Palin’s views on certain issues. Example, having abstinence as the only message delivered to a teenager demonstrates a very narrow view on the pressures facing teenagers. I also find the decision to marry, as though it was the only alternative, to also be ill informed and narrow minded. As the mother of an adopted son, I can tell you that there are plenty of adults who would eagerly provide a stable and secure home to Bristol Palin’s child. The world is a complex place and this country needs leadership to think in complex ways.

Posted by: Laura | September 2, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Watch how the Republican bloviators bend their hypocritical standards and become apologists for a reckless, trashy hick like Palin. The reactions today of GOP dead-enders demonstrate that logic and accountability left the field of play long, long ago. The inference is that Republicans will do anything to ensure a black man doesn't enter office - after all, that's why most of them joined that party in the first place. If you're a rational person and are concerned that near-dead McCain and near-dumb Palin are infantilizing the US at a time that other competitive nations are gathering strength, please do the right thing, and keep these religio-fascist GOP zombies from gaining public office.

Posted by: Michael | September 2, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I'm sure glad none of you Leftists are Bristol's parents...

Because if you were, YOU'D BE ORDERING HER TO KILL HER BABY!!

There's always room for responsibility in our world, it can start with you.

Posted by: Mike | September 2, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

our leaders should not be average-America, but exceptional individuals. there's nothing exceptional about this woman. unfortunately, average America relates to her, and forgets the job she's supposed to take on.

she's more Bush-like than McCain.

Posted by: blech | September 2, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure glad that when McCain keels over we'll have a crooked, book-burning, pork barrelling, snake-handling, domestic terrorist's finger on the big red button.

If we could only harness the energy produced by 10 generations of Republicans spinning in their graves, the energy crisis would be solved.

Posted by: harriet myers | September 2, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

The economy made her do it!

Bristol needs a tax deduction to offset her windfall profits from her Big Oil stock investments.

Governor Palin has been lobbying for raising the state's child tax deduction.

Posted by: ItsTheEconomyStupid | September 2, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I haven't read a thing about Gov. Palin's parents, how she coud afford to raise five children and run the city (small as it is) and the State of Alaska. Perhaps she is the female equivalent of Truman who surprised everyone by coming through when he had to. And I'm voting for Barack. I'm really disgusted with the media trying to shame this family and young woman for something irrelevant to Palin's qualifications to be V.P. (let alone president}. Having just come back from Northern Europe, I may say that they think we are too religious, too naive and lacking in tolerance. How do they get that impression?! I just can't imagine!

Posted by: B. Brilhart | September 2, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse


THE ONE

The ONE is also a self-serving gasbag.

Posted by: Jack The Ripper | September 2, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I want my national debate! I want an intelligent face-off of conservative ideals vs passionate liberalism!

Instead I get a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. (apologies to Mr. Shakespeare)

Posted by: Indyvoter | September 2, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I heard Palin knows someone who once got a speeding ticket! You all want some one with that kind of record leading our country.... what other kind of people might she know????????????

Posted by: OH NO! | September 2, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

As an example of how Mr. McCain honors the high-minded tradition of an opponent's family being off limits, read this:

http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html

So much for fairness, family values, and plain decency!

Posted by: john from topanga | September 2, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

1 john 1:9 if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from ALL unrightessness. What don't you understand about all. God did punish sin in the Lord Jesus. If you think God judges you by the law, which there are thousands of commands, not just the 10, none of us have a chance. I'm thankful God took care of what I could not. Gods word says if you offend in 1 point your guilty of all. You better rethink HONOR GOD.

Posted by: Jeff | September 2, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

John McCain clearly showed poor judgement in his VP pick. There is no way to explain away picking someone that you barely even know and have only breifly met once. We are talking about picking a stand in for the leader of the free world! let's get real, McCains pick was pure political posturing!!! It makes me sick that this man thinks that women will vote for him just because he put a female on the ticket, I hope all my fellow ladies out there see through this sham!!! I am insulted that you think the women of this country are so naive John McShame!!!

Posted by: Lauren | September 2, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Vetting process for Sarah Palin = Searching through GOOGLE.

How Much Did McCain Know About Palin? NPR Article...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94194959

Posted by: John | September 2, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

palin was vetted by james dobson and the Council on National Policy just last week - and they told john she was A-OK.


phhhhhhhhhhhht.

Posted by: martinchill | September 2, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Kids get pregnant, but it takes a very special kind of Mother to turn it into a national issue. I'm sure young Bristol appreciates Mommy's decision to make her moral lapse headline news.

Can we still cite dear, Secessionist Sarah's vast PTA experience at a time when her own parenting and teaching skills seem to have slipped?

Posted by: Laura "Leadfoot" Bush | September 2, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Two Questions stand out on the naming of Sarah Palin as the Republican VP Nominee. The first is "What has she ever done to justify being named as the VP Npominee? The second for the Party of "Family Values", How can she handle her parental responsibilities and politic/serve the demanding office of Vice President. The Party of "Family Values" and our Nation need to sort this out. When does National Service supercede Family Values. Age may be a part of our conclusion on this point.

Posted by: Bill West | September 2, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Pezit, you wrote
"Palin is a good pick, Women feel like she is one of them, Men think she is hott. They even have a poll asking how hott is Palin? at veep peek. they also have some pictures of her looking rather sexy. http://www.veeppeek.com I really think she will be a good gamble for McCain."


you are obviously retarded.


Is Sarah your mother?

Posted by: know this | September 2, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

man i wish levi was black.i bet you all think i am sick don't ya well i'm not i am trying to educate you.because being a redneck isn't enough

Posted by: frank | September 2, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Tell me what female DEM has ever been accused of being hot!???

This is pure cat-claw high school drama.

Posted by: HotGopGirls | September 2, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Whats with the right wing nazi republicans?
They preach about abortion being murder yet they probably supported a war in Iraq that murdered thousands more.

Posted by: witness | September 2, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse


Amazing the whackadoodle liberals out there that would attack the children of a political candidate.

For the poster who asked about Sarah's son-Track Palin- he serves in the US Army.

He volunteered. And he is being deployed to Iraq this month.

How about we talk about Biden's plagiarism? Isn't honesty far more relevant to the qualifications of a VP nominee?


Posted by: Merrick in Alaska | September 2, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

If the actions of Sara Palin's 17 year old daughter are an issue for political office then Obama's long association with Reverend Wright and William Aryers, and his wife who has never been proud to be an American, are far worse and Obama should drop out immediately. Let Hillary take the ticket.

Posted by: Dave R. | September 2, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

"Two Questions stand out on the naming of Sarah Palin as the Republican VP Nominee. The first is "What has she ever done to justify being named as the VP Npominee? The second for the Party of "Family Values", How can she handle her parental responsibilities and politic/serve the demanding office of Vice President. The Party of "Family Values" and our Nation need to sort this out. When does National Service supercede Family Values. Age may be a part of our conclusion on this point."

This same question can be asked of Barack Hussein Obama. Oh and you do you mean to say Democrats are not for "Family Values"? Wow, I definitely won't vote Democrat now.

Posted by: Todd | September 2, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Do we really want to elect a party that doesn't come out and both condeam and critize, not only teenagers who have sex outside of marriage, but the parents who allow it? A vote for Republicans is like a vote for sex without consicquence. Vote the Moral Judgement Party-Vote Democratic.

Posted by: MarxBro. | September 2, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

What do you call parents who preach abstinence only to their children?

answer:

Grandparents

Posted by: George | September 2, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Right on "Dave R."!!!!

You hit the nail on the head!!

Posted by: Nancy | September 2, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

"we on the right do not believe that sex ed should be taught in school. It is the responsibility of the two parents at home."
__________________________________________

I guess Sarah Palin failed that test, too!.

Posted by: Tina | September 2, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

El hijo de Dios va a venir. Y tengo miedo para todos ustedes que pueden matar a un nino porque tal vez tendra problemas quando nace. Cuidado! No Creen en Dios ahorita. Van a ver un dia cuando no habra necesidad de creer. Van a saber que Dios vive! Arrepientanse todos! Tambien tengo que arrepentirme de mis pecados cada dia. De verdad no puedo esperar hasta Jesus venga, y no tenemos que escoger una persona para guiarnos.

Posted by: odillolosliberales | September 2, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I am sick and tired of the republicans saying this knocked up teenager is a private family matter. When her mother became an important figure running for VP of the USA , her and her family's privacy was elimanated. They all became public access. So if McCain had better judgement he should have chosen someone for his ticket who was qualified and someone who was not bringing baggage that contridicts what his ticket represents. McCain is a bad choice and his VP certainly is. I'm republican but I'm voting for the Barrack/Biden ticket.

Posted by: LL | September 2, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I am truly concerned about the young male interns that would be subject to sexual torment by a "hot" Vice President Palin in her go-go boots.

We must keep her away from the hidden closets in the West Wing at any cost.

This is (potentially) sinful.

Posted by: WhiteHouseIntern | September 2, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Yes, and who announced Bristol Palin's pregnancy, making it an instant issue? None other than her own family.

Why did they decide to announce this during the RNC? In their words, it was to quell rumors that Bristol actually bore her infant brother herself.

I'd say the Palins and the McCain campaign are the ones making her pregnancy an issue.

What would a principled person have done in a similar situation? Addressed the rumors with an unequivocal denial instead of announcing a related family issue intending to disprove a supposedly baseless rumor by association.

Posted by: Andrew | September 2, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Her kids name's alone make me question her judgement! LMAO, Trig(ger), Track, Willow, Bristol (faster daddy), what's the deal with these people. Comedians have to be loving it!

Posted by: Matthew | September 2, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA is NOT sufficiently experienced in the ways of the world. He has not overcome personal adversity--like Palin is grappling with--which builds character.

Posted by: NobamaSlamma | September 2, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

You liberals make me sick. You're a bunch of bleeding heart socialists who want to turn our great country over to our enemies. You raise our taxes, weaken our military, pander to whatever cause is hot at the moment and give free ride to every bum who wants it.
John McCain will bring change to our country and keeps us strong.
Barack Obama is just and an empty suit with alot of farfetched ideas.

Posted by: joe | September 2, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

If the Palins wanted to keep this a private family matter then wouldn't you all agree that Sarah should have denied McCain's offer as running mate?

In my opinion Sarah clearly understood the risks of media exposure and digging in order to get a clear understanding as to who she is.

She knew the risks and took the job anyway. Then she threw her daughter under the bus and betrayed her trust by putting her secret out on the national stage for public scrutiny.

What a terrible mother!

Posted by: JWilkes | September 2, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

At least some people-"know this&BillWest" have the sense to realize a women has no place in the White House, unless of course shes baking cookies or washing her husbands shirts.

Posted by: Lodie | September 2, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

LL,
Republicans aren't the only ones saying leave this alone!

“Let me be as clear as possible … I think people’s families are off-limits and people’s children are especially off-limits,” said Senator Obama.

Posted by: Dumbies | September 2, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Kids get pregnant, but it takes a very special kind of Mother to turn it into a national issue. I'm sure young Bristol appreciates Mommy's decision to make her moral lapse headline news.

Great statement, Laura. You nailed it.

Posted by: lens | September 2, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

If Sarah Palin can't control her kids, like her daughter getting pregnant, then how the hell can she control a nation as a Vice President?

Posted by: Somebody | September 2, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Did the Republicans (Rush Limbaugh, etc) and evangelists all praise Jamie Lynn Spears for keeping her baby? Or did they judge her and lambast her mother for being an irresponsible one?

Posted by: Paz Cortez | September 2, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

If the pregnancy issue is a huge distraction why the *#*#*# did you bring it up and invite all these idiots to use it as a Rorschach test for their disagreement with abstinence only policies. Even worse, having people question a families judgment on a very private issue without having even a remote acquaintance with anyone involved.

Actually, I take the above back. It actually is a beautiful thing as it will expose the media for what it is. A bunch of out of touch people who love humanity, but hate human beings.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Joe said: "...You're a bunch of bleeding heart socialists who want to turn our great country over to our enemies..."

When they give away our country to the Russians, they can always read their glorious novels depicting the brave French Resistance fighters of WW-II and form an underground leftist terror group to overthrow...

Posted by: FrenchResistance | September 2, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Did Ms. Palin warn her daughter about the fact that now everyone with a TV or a computer is going to know she is having a baby. I don't think I would have put my ambition above my daughter's welfare. Neither McCain nor Palin has shown good judgment.

Posted by: hilo | September 2, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Bristols pregnancy shouldn`t be the issue but sadly it is! Palin supports abstinence and suddenly her teenage daughter is pregnant... That makes me think that something about her ideas must be wrong. Couldn`t she tell her about contraception??
Whatever i feel really sorry for Bristol. Poor girl! The whole contry discusses her private life.

Posted by: Grace | September 2, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

i want to know HOW BRISTOL FEELS PLEASE LETS ASK HER AND SEE WHAT SHE HAVE TO SAY.AND WHAT ABOUT HER DAD.WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO SAY.I BET BEFORE HIS WIFE ACCEPTED THE VP HE WANTED TO KILL THAT REDNECK AND NOW THAT SHES IN THE SPOT LIGHT HE HAS TO SUCK IT UP.FORGET ALL THAT I LOVE YOU CRAP I WANT TO KNOW HOW YOU REALLY FEEL.ASK SOME REAL QUESTIONS OR IS IT NOT THE TIME YET.MEDIA SUCKS ASK THE REAL QUESTIONS DAMMIT.

Posted by: frank | September 2, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

STILL YOU DEMS.... YOU POTENTIAL LEADER SAID IT... DO YOU BACK HIM OR NOT?

“Let me be as clear as possible … I think people’s families are off-limits and people’s children are especially off-limits,” said Senator Obama.

LOOKS LIKE YOU DON'T BACK HIM. IF YOU DON'T BACK HIM NOW HOW DOES HE HAVE A CHANCE IN NOVEMBER?

Posted by: STILL | September 2, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Palin has a 17 year old pregnant..So what?

Barack Obama has a brother living like a dog, making $2 a day, and living in a mud hut, do we hold it against him?

Posted by: Ed | September 2, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I am amused...the righties (you can't call someone a true conservative when they want to tell people what to do with their bodies...that's government interfering with peoples' lives, which is classic liberalism?) are steamed that the lefties are chattering about the fact that their values VP has a pregnant daughter after the righties chose to put the information in circulation.

Are you kidding me?

However, in all seriosness, feel for the young lady in question. She's going to have a tough time her entire life, if not because of becoming a mother so soon, but because she is the daughter of power-hungry imbecile who so covets power and prestige that she has hung this young lady out to dry.

That's sickening shameful stuff. Let's focus on the real issue. Sarah Palin is a monster of a person for putting her daughter through this.

Posted by: scott032 | September 2, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Women should be outraged that Palin is being protrayed as a model American mother.
She neglected her duty of a mother. She is a failure at that. She is no better than the Lohans or the Spears or anybody else who would exploit her own daughter for her own benefit.
If that is your idea of what an American mother should be then please don't criticize other countries for laughing at you.

Posted by: somemother | September 2, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I Reiterate:

John McCain will bring change to our country and keeps us strong.

Barack Obama is just and an empty suit with alot of farfetched ideas

Posted by: joe | September 2, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Proves hypocrites come in all stripes and persuations.

This blog should be shut down.

People suck.

Posted by: HypocratesWasDaMan | September 2, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Joe said "Barack Obama is just and an empty suit with alot of farfetched ideas"

Joe, shut up and go drink some more beer. Come back when you learn how to put a sentence together.

Posted by: bob | September 2, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

At least Bristol isn't lesbian.

Posted by: Diane | September 2, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse


Palin has substance, no facade.

Obama has words to hide his past behavior.

Posted by: Jack The Ripper | September 2, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

What is post-partisan, some form of UBER-PARTISANSHIP?

This whole topic, this whole election/electorate is insane and I predict America as an intact nation (ex-superpower) will cease to exist in 10 years time. I believe we are on the brink of total societal (melting pot) meltdown and eventual revolution.

Posted by: PostParticiple | September 2, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

you're a dirty left wing pinko bob.
McCain will shock the world in November.

Posted by: joe | September 2, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

At least Bristol isn't lesbian.

Posted by: Diane | September 2, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

YES BAG ON OBAMA.

YES BAG ON MCCAIN.

YES BAG ON PALIN.

LEAVE POOR INOCENT CHILDREN OUT OF IT!

IT WOULDN'T HAVE COME OUT, IF RUTHLESS LIBERALS HADN'T CLAIMED A HANDICAPPED CHILD BE THE CHILD OF THE 17 YEAR OLD CHILD.

I HAVE A COUSIN WITH DOWNS SYNDROME. WE LOVE HER! WE WOULDN'T HAVE HER ANY OTHER WAY. SHE IS A LOVING INDIVIDUAL WHO LOVES LIFE. IT IS DISGUSTING THAT PEOPLE WOULD THROW AWAY A PRECIOUS LIFE OVER A HANDICAP. GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOULS!

Posted by: ALL | September 2, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

It's sad to look back at the video of the VP announcement. Bristol is holding the baby with a blanket against her stomach clearly in an effort to hide her pregnancy. Now, when this young girl's life is being blasted across the global media, her mother is where? At the convention working on her speech. The girl shouldn't be ashamed or humiliated, her mother should.

Posted by: lens | September 2, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Bob, you are obviouslily a socialist pinko.
McCain will win by a landslide in november, then you liberals can go back to your social work jobs and sympathize with the losers who weaken our great country.

Posted by: joe | September 2, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

YEAH LETS ACT LIKE ITS NOT NORMAL TO GET PREGNANT AT 17 IN AMERICA.WE LIVE IN AMERICA ANYTHING GOES IT NOT YOUR AGE ITS WHO YOU ARE.

Posted by: FRANK | September 2, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

It's sad to look back at the video of the VP announcement. Bristol is holding the baby with a blanket against her stomach clearly in an effort to hide her pregnancy. Now, when this young girl's life is being blasted across the global media, her mother is where? At the convention working on her speech. The girl shouldn't be ashamed or humiliated, her mother should.

Posted by: lens | September 2, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Who says she's not a lesbian? That hasn't stopped Rosie O'Donnel from having a baby.

Posted by: Jack&Diane | September 2, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

There should have been someone adult enough to recognize what a 17 year old pregnant girl would be subjected to in the election process. If the mother wasn't smart enough to recognize this fact, then McCain should have. McCain/Palin both failed Bristol first and the Republican Party second.

Posted by: JoDuff | September 2, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

God bless Bristol for surviving in a place that doesn't get direct sunlight for 7 months and only ending up merely pregnant at 17.

Far better than being on methamphetimine at 16. Or an alcoholic at 15.

GET OFF HER BACK ALREADY.

Posted by: 17andPregnant | September 2, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Bristol made an announcement that as a daughter of the future vice president, she's at least not lesbian. That's true.

Posted by: Diane | September 2, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

That's truly unfortunate then--for, if she was lesbian, she could have used this unparalleled spotlight opportunity to put gay & lesbian rights front-and-center in GOP politics. Man, how would that be for rocking the vote!

Posted by: Jack&Diane | September 2, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama has said "let's keep families out of this." Which I agree would be best. But impossible. McCain / Palin are already on the cover of People Magazine with her holding baby Trig as a political sympathy prop, so it seems anything is fair to scrutinize.

In any case, the strangeness of events around Trig's birth and health does raise questions: About the delivery. About the baby's health. About the accuracy of the Down's syndrome diagnosis. One understands why the following case is being made by evidence pieced together on the internet:

A) Baby Trig is actually Bristol Palin's child and her mother, Sarah Palin is "covering" for her daughter's teenage pregnancy. This plan blew up when Palin accepted the VP nomination.

B) As this news appeared on the internet, the Palins countered the rumor by arguing the Bristol is currently pregnant, making it impossible for Trig to be Bristol's child. This -- bad as it was -- looked better than revealing a "cover-up" operation.

C) Alaska news sources say Bristol was a typical teen "drunken party girl." Thus, we wonder -- Baby Trig could have Downs Syndrome. OR he could have Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, the brain damage you'd expect from an alcoholic teen mother. No one is seriously questioning the Down's syndrome diagnosis since it seems too personal and "off limits." It is off-limits, if it's TRUE. If it's a lie, it is a shameless manipulation to get sympathy votes.

D) In any case, what 44-year-old mother of good judgement would fly 3,000 miles to deliver her high-risk premature developmentally-challenged baby in a remote rural Alaska Hospital (Mat Su Valley Medical Center) when she could have gone to a A++ hospital 1 mile away in Dallas?

E) Websites are revising "facts" of this "babygate" story so fast it is impossible to know what's true.

F) Is it true that Bristol is pregnant now? I can only know that for certain in 4 months -- long after the election.


Posted by: Roy Battier | September 2, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

At least Bristol probably watched Juno and hopefully learned a thing or two about the challenges of teen pregnancy/motherhood.

Another sad case of life imitating art imitating life. (it will turn out good if McCain/Palin ticket wins)

Posted by: AlaskaIs4Lovers | September 2, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

While people like Diane may try to muddy the real issue with comments about the daughter's lack of lesbianism, that is no pertinent to the discussion.

The real issue for any person of substance is the fact that Governor Palin has chosen to put her own aggrandizement over the needs of her daughter and her infant son. That makes her a monster.

...and before some right-wing knucklehead calls that "sexist", bear in mind I'd say the same thing if the parent in question were a father. No decent person would subject their 17-year old daughter to this.

Posted by: scott032 | September 2, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Most of the hype over Palin's daughter is being drummed up by the GOP so they can reintroduce the family values wedge issue in an unsuspecting way that will attract social conservatives: stand by your family.

The GOP is writing a script and the nation is stupidly following it.

Posted by: Seward | September 2, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I like my comment regarding Bristol's lack of lesbianism. Look at Dick Cheney's daughter...

Posted by: Diane | September 2, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Regarding a pregnant minor: I think everyone is avoiding the two main issues that need to be answered - what were the ages of the two at time of conception?
Is there a legal/criminal issue being covered up?

Posted by: Jim Bell | September 2, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Why is Palin's daughter's pregnancy being discussed more than Palin's membership in a virulently anti-American secessionist group? Talk about unpatriotic!! Here's the link--

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

Posted by: Lola | September 2, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

This subject is rude and none of our business. Quit doing a Maury Povich dog and pony show and answer some real questions.

1: Did or did not Ms, Palin use her position to influence the outcome of her former brother in laws job termination?
A clear abuse of power if found to be true.

2: Did or did not Ms, Palin change her position on the infamous bridge to knowhere for political expediancy?
A clear estimation of her dishonesty if found to be true.

3: Did or did not Ms, Palin assist Mr. Ted Stevens in changing the bridge earmark from the bridge project defined to discretionary spending to then be assigned to that very same bridge project?
A clear use of semantics to cover a taxpayer fraud and cover up for personal gain.

The answers to these question will determine weather or not she is a servant of the people or another self anointed republican of the Bush school of enronomics, i.e. the Reagan Bush method of the fleecing of America and the post fraud exposure talk radio blame propaganda towards those who did the exposing.

Guilty of any one of these questions should be an automatic removal of the guilty party from any opportunity to further harm the American people.

As for the republican talking heads, they should be fined for their significant contributions to global warming via their constant outpouring of mindless hot air thereby depleting the oxygen content of the atmosphere and in so doing depriving intelligent creatures their God given right to breathe. This, of course, assumes they were created by the same God the evangelical Christians portend to believe in.

BTW, how do you justify a right to life supporter being a hunter and killer of other living species also supposedly created by that same God? Do we assume she believes her species to be superior and if so just who decided who was superior? Do we really need another republican playing God, I think not and the job is already taken!

Posted by: anOPINIONATEDsob | September 2, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

The media and left want to make Palin and her daughter the issue because she's pregnant and seventeen. Is this not what thy brought on society? The media shows this life style everyday, liberal schools and courts uphold it, now since it's not one of them thy want to condemn it, and say it's the mother fault. For this very reason we need to take are government, court's and school's back from the elites of the left and right. Power to the People

Posted by: xthat | September 2, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Sarah:

"Hey, now that our little girl is knocked up let’s make the statutory rapist a member of the family."


Don’t you love Republican family values.

Posted by: Bill | September 2, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Will November EVER get here?

How many more stupid, pointless analyses of the Palin family must we endure? Should they just charter a bus and drive to Jerry Springer's show? Or Maury Povich's show?

Bad decisions all around are the striking features of the Palin's lives. It is sickening to see the fundys and evangels rush to hug these folks; would they hug Chelsea or Michelle were they to stray?

Come on voters, look at the issues and urge McCain to make informed decisions about his running mate. If he dies, we'd get a very ill-equipped pol to be our president.

Palin should go back to Alaska and raise money for her senator under investigation; or perhaps she can continue to look for ways to help Alaska's caribou and moose population.

Sickening.

Posted by: suzeq | September 2, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Bill, the boy that got Bristol pregnant is just a high school senior himself - his name is Levi Johnston, and they've been in a relationship for a year.

Posted by: Diane | September 2, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

The topic really is Bristol Palin. If abstinence education really works , why not to the very daughter of its proponent.
Case 2 , If health care is the first world right of those who can afford it, Where's Bristol Palins 200k for the first year of the childs care costs. I can see the war debt and the national deficit follow suit of Conservative evangelical financing .. all debt and all mooching. Is that the lesson the moral majority intends to instill on Americans? E.J. Dionne, When evangelical pastors say prolife , the insurance industry brokers say " amen " and raise the premiums on health care. The needs of the public are the majority rule , not the private sector. If the public is going to be stiffed with 29k shares of debt on a poorly managed war, they had better get the same health care benefits as the senators who have to clean up this poorly managed war and Katrina Hurricane zone. The RNC convention was the evil event that hastened Gustav. Theres three more hurricanes developing for cleanup batting.

Posted by: Tokahauntus | September 2, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

If the situation were reverse, that is either Obama's or Biden's daugter was pregnant without being married, the conservatives would have pounced on it negatively; saying what kind of a message does it convey to the nation--a promiscuous Democratic ticket, not good role models for the country, etc. Now they have changed their tunes and putting a positive spin on it, including the Wall Street Journal with an editorial saying " What a commendable act and story!"

Posted by: Ram | September 2, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Of course, Bristol Palin should not be the story in a hotly contested election. Unfortunately for Bristol, her mother chose the most agonizing time in her young life to parade her and her siblings out in front of the press as she calls herself a picture of christian motherhood.

Bristol Palin's mother chose to announce that her daughter would be marrying a high school boy who announces on his myspace page that he doesn't want kids.

Bristol Palin's mother made speeches about the evils of sex education and importance of abstinance. Maybe she should have taken the time out of her busy schedule to have a quiet talk with her daughter?

Trigg Palin's mother chose to go to Texas and make a speech and fly 11 hours to get home before being checked out by a doctor. Trigg Palin's mother didn't even bother to stop at the closest hospital in Anchorage. Trigg Palin's mother chose to drive to a remote village hospital to give birth to him out of the public eye.

Yes, children should be allowed privacy. But when they are the children of public figures, their actions will come out.

The Bush twins had their privacy until they chose underage drinking and partying. Bristol's actions are unfortunately having some very public consequences because of her mothers public positions on her daughters condition.

When it comes to the Palin children, I question Sarah Palin's real dedication to being a parent and wonder why a woman who gave birth to 5 children is taking on the kind of commitment needed to be the vice president of the United States with one daughter going through a personal trauma now made public worldwide by her mother, and a son who is developmentally challenged.

If she can't take care of her children, can she take care of my country?

Posted by: Pity Bristol | September 2, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans will have to quit talking about Obama's lack of experience now, what a relief. At least Obama had enough experence to pick someone who has been a member of the Washington Elite for 30 yrs, and not a women.

Posted by: KarlMarx | September 2, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Someone forgot to tell Palins daughter that condoms aren't even close to 100% effective.

Posted by: Lodie | September 2, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Being a teenager who became pregnant - I speak from experience. I was raised Christian, and my parents were good parents - but that did not prevent me from rebelling. I became pregnant at sixteen and was afraid to tell my parents, I had an abortion - thanks to our liberal laws that parents do not have to be notified beforehand. I am now 35, married, with a beautiful daughter. A day hardly goes by without a thought of what I did. I am still very horrified at what I did when I was 16.

Bristol is very lucky that her parents support her, and are not encouraging her to have an abortion or give the baby up for adoption. We all make mistakes, and should not be punished for our mistakes, but take them as an oppurtunity to grow and become a better person. I believe that Palin has done this, she takes a circumstance analizes it, and makes a decision based on her ethics and beliefs. That is the type of person that I want to be in our beloved White House. Someone who has morals, and can look at her situation and make lemonade when she has been given onions!

Go Palin!!! I am in total support of you!

Posted by: M Riggs | September 2, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin still hasn't disproved the persistent rumors that Trig is her grandson, not her son.


Sarah, answer the question with evidence: who is Trig's mother?


There is too much circumstancial evidence to dismiss it.


Posted by: Mike of Atlanta | September 2, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

This would not be an issue if the Republican Party had not injected moral values into politics. Now that they are caught in their own scandal they are trying to belittle its importance.

Hypocrisy.

Posted by: Jon | September 2, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

PS: The user "KarlMarx" is clearly a Republican partisan trying to manipulate voters into thinking Democrats are sexist.

Women should remember that the liberal party has ALWAYS been the one who has championed for their rights to vote, receive equal pay, etc.

Compare that to Conservatives like Ann Coulter who have repeatedly stated that women belong in the home and shouldn't be able to vote.

Posted by: Jon | September 2, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Though it is quite correct that this issue is off-limits for the candidates and their campaigns, it is also true that it will hover over any discussions of "family values issues." What is Gov. Palin to do? Keep silent on the very things that made her McCain's choice in the first place? Or discuss them vigorously and appear (even tacitly) as if she's exploiting her daughter's condition?

Quite honestly, I don't see a way out of this conundrum for her. Every time she appears on TV or wherever, ordinary people will measure her against their own moral and personal yardsticks based on this situation. While it may be a family situation many people sympathize with, it is also one they fear. And I would suspect it resonates (in every way -- both pro and con) more than any other issue. The problem is, it's not one that can be identified as right, left, liberal or conservative. So anyone who claims it benefits one side or the other is blowing smoke.

It is utterly without precedent. As was once said about the Soviet Union, "there are no experts in this; only varying degrees of ignorance."

Posted by: hathead | September 2, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it...
Sarah Palin insists on privacy for her daughter yet somehow every other uterus in America is fair game.

Posted by: Gretchen | September 2, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

"If this were one of Obama's daughter's"...

Well, it wouldn't be. She would never make it to 5 months, because Obama wouldn't want her "punished" with a child.
_____________________________________

How many people do any of us know who live their lives as their parents raised them?
How many strict Catholic parents have "lapsed Catholic" children?
How many "hippie" parents have fairly conservative children?
Really, how many of us have "turned out" exactly the way our parents wanted us to?
I've got to say that my parents' values are not my own. I think for myself, and form my own opinions. And I was doing that way before I was 17. Perhaps, although abstinence only was what she was taught, Bristol formed her own opinion, and made up her own mind. Her mother should not be pilloried for that. Our parents do the best they can, and as children, few of us fail to disappoint them at some point.
________________
To Johna: You? "Straight with Jesus"? Really? Bigoted, hated-filled, mean-spirited, intolerant? That Jesus? My parents must have taught me about someone else. Hmm.
___________
before I get blasted for being one or the other...
I'm not a Liberal, or a Conservative, although I agree with some of each of those views. Libertarian or Independant? Frankly- undecided.

Posted by: Chris | September 2, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Larger question is - John McCain accused Obama being ambitious about becoming US President and does not care about policies. Isn’t John McCain being ambitious about becoming US President and does not care about what happens to US if God forbid, something happens to aging McCain? If it takes an inexperienced woman to attract Hillary Clinton’s abandoned women voters, John McCain has no problem. And what about reins of this US passing on to totally inexperienced Sarah Palin especially when McCain has made such a hue and cry about Obama’s inexperience versus McCain’s own experience?

Posted by: simple simon | September 2, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Real Brother here.

And how many times have I heard White Supremacists and Racists say "Palin is a TYPICAL White woman/family etc." when Obama said his grandmother was a "TYPICAL" White woman and the fit hit the shan?

These Hypocrites simply need to admit that their Racism and White Supremacy has ruined this Country and it stands to ruin their push to continue a third term for Bush. Stop trying to fool and insult people. The right has some nerve after bringing up Paris Hilton and Britney Spears and flag pins and other such nonsense against Obama and then to have the AUDACITY to ask us to stick to the "issues" when we point out how POOR McCain's judgment is.
TKCAL

Posted by: Realbrother | September 2, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

I have been reading a lot about Sara Palan and her 17 year old daughter. But something that really bothers me that has been left out, because maybe the subject taboo. Should't we be holding the next Vice President of the United States to a higher standard? What does it say that here we have possibly the next Vice President of the United States and her oldest son enlisted in the Army and her oldest daughter gets pregnent out of wedlock her junior year in high school. Now joining the military is honorable. I enlisted and spent 22 years in the the Air Force. But, I also higher standards for my children and my oldest son is now in his 3rd year of ROTC, ready to be commisioned next year. We know it's not because the Palins' don't have the means to send their son to college. Now turning to the daughter. She is the daughter of a United States Governor. Shouldn't we expect more? Shouldn't we expect Sara Palin to have the highest standards for her children. Isn't that a reflection on her? Children just don't grow up and magically become sucessful with the toss of a coin. It is the values, the drive and the hard work of the parents that provide the foot print for their children to suceed.

Posted by: mth | September 2, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

BIGGEST BLUNDER EVER in modern presidential politics, on so many levels. This just blows my mind. The premeditated stupidity of it! Obama by 11 percentage points.

Posted by: AdvRider | September 2, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

As sad and as wrong as it seems, all these kids are fair game. This includes the Obama children as well. Their parents have all chosen to use them as political pawns. A candidate cannot say "this is my family, they demonstrate my values" and then expect not to be challenged. Politics have always been dirty but hiding behind children should not immune the politicians or their shields from scrutiny. Oddly, this is the same mentality employed by terrorists when they use children to shield them from gun fire.

Posted by: Butch Dillon | September 2, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Real Brother here.

A lot of Racists and White Supremacists continue to repeat Obama's line that he wouldn't want his daughter "punished" with an unwanted child.I can't defend that comment but lets be realistic.White Obama's wealth and example of embracing his Race and Culture and of using birth control and not being unrealistic about sex and or sex education for his children what are the chances that his daughter would face such a situation and if she did wouldn't be able to handle it far better then these right wing Idiots are?

Again, the hypocrites are who they are and Barack Obama is not a hypocrite so the comparisons need to stop. The Brother at the barbarshop said that if they saw Barack Obama walking on water they'd say; "See, I told you he couldn't swim..."

TKCAL

Posted by: Realbrother | September 2, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

I wish Bristol the best. It's not her fault. She was raised in a dysfunctional political party. Her mom though, needs to be home for her now and not running around the lower 48 campaigning as VP for MCCain.

Posted by: Unrepentant Liberal | September 2, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

The pregnancy of Sarah Palin's underage daughter is a HUGE scandal embracing inbred moral turpitude, criminally inept parenting and sheer hypocrisy.

FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRACY

Posted by: Marc Schlee | September 2, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

"I love how suddenly the Republican party thinks issues involving politician's sex lives, or the sex lives of their family members are "private". Isn't this the same party that impeached Bill Clinton over an affair with Monica Lewinsky?"

You mean a grown man who chose to be elected and a teenager who's mother chose to enter politics are the same story? What a jerk!

By the way, Bill Clinton lied under oath. That was why he was impeached. Don't let the facts fool you though...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I have ADD--Attention Deficit--I suggest that John McCain has some major ADD issues--impulsivity, in constant motion all the time, living in perpetual drama, and cannot think things through clearly---he's kind of a fascinating guy--I enjoy watching him--but President?

Posted by: Jim | September 2, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

The non issue of Palin's daughter's pregnancy may matter to some of my conservative friends who thought on Sunday that Palin's selection was genius. The only shadow was their concern for the DS child Palin won't have much time for over the next 66 days.

What worries me is Palin's lack of foreign policy knowledge and experience and McCain choosing a person with such a void. It reflects badly on both.

Posted by: Ceee | September 2, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

What a crock of hypocrisy! The Republicans are SUPPORTING a 17 year old's decision to keep and raise a BABY! That is ridiculous, and try as you might, it can't be dressed up! I'm a Christian who tries very hard to stay human. Things happen in our lives that affect us in REAL TIME, and we OURSELVES don't always make the best choices. McCain was caught just as flat footed as all of you he is trying to convince to make the BEST of this! Once again, he forged ahead, in SPITE of his advisors, with a knee jerk decision, that has blown up in his face! And you would want such a person negotiating with Iran?!?

You Conservative Christians need to ask yourselves some HARD questions. If I'm voting for a candidate that is supposedly holding the lines on keeping up an ongoing (and futile) fight against overturning abortion and keeping Gays from being married (as if anyone is recognizing THAT as actually being legal just because a piece of paper says so) and those two issues affect like 3% of the population or less to START with...then ISN'T it hypocritical that you have a candidate with a daughter who is underage and pregnant, picked by a candidate who didn't have a clue about it beforehand (Really now, if you're into being truthful Christians, would he have wanted you to voluntarily swallow such a pill?)

More so, how condescending to think that you are so stuck with him as a candidate, that you'd have to just accept this debacle and vote for him anyway! I wouldn't nominate him for a paper route!

If he had known, from the ONSET, at the first introduction of his choice for Vice President, it would have been, "My choice, Palin, who is facing an unplanned pregnancy with her Daughter!" Who coincidentally was holding a baby in a HUGE blanket covering her midriff from every camera shot I saw with her in at that meeting!

Hypocrisy. When two underage kids in the South had sex, even without the pregnancy, the male member ended up in jail on Statutory Rape charges, what is the difference here, are the laws different in Alaska? And just because they are "getting married" doesn't make the deed okay, or even done.

The pressure that candidate Palin is under is immense, with all due respect, which is hard to find, she should be at home taking care of her family FIRST, period. I don't want that kind of distraction on hand, as Vice President's spend a lot of time doing everything the President's schedule can't handle.

Don't feel pressured to vote for what has happened here, which is a candidate that is only taking care of a small, few people. Don't think for a minute that you are going to use God's standards as a measuring rod against the Democrats, when your own house is filthy inside, and that He is going to bless it. Don't think, "At least we didn't vote for a candidate who supports Abortion Rights for women, or for a Candidate who supports Gay Rights, which is about a LOT more than marriage, marriage not recognized by ANY one in their right mind...oh that's right, Dick Cheney's Daughter is gay...but THAT was okay too.

You can't separate the sin that way, wake up, its still a filthy plate to hold up to God, He told the Pharisee's and Saducees the SAME thing, and 2000 years later, it still won't fly! Look at ALL of America, and ALL of America's needs! You can't hold the line from your little enclaves, get in here in the muck and the mire with the rest of us, and lets get this country together, lets make a new America, better than the New Deal days of World War II, we need a REAL DEAL to cover life as it exists in 2008!

THAT is the message of hope that the Democrats are pushing, real change, real dialogue, real help for EVERYONE, not just a few, from the ground up, we're all dirty, so let's get the clean up job from the inner cities, the environment, broken families impacts on our nation, our trashed international standing, done TOGETHER.

Its is NOT enough to wallow in the mire the last eight years have given us. Don't think for a minute that if you continue to pursue the course you're on, that we are going to be able to move ahead as a country. If you want to take credit for the Divine Providence that has kept this country from the brink of destruction the last eight years, then you sure as heck better be ready to take credit when you go through this election, and cast your votes for a candidate and party that is no longer supporting your ideals, actively or otherwise, don't get it twisted.

The last election was stolen, steal this one at your own risk, the spate of increasing hurricanes, flooding, drought, agricultural losses, increases in broken families, AIDs, our decline in the eyes of the international community, and the beginnings of true problems when our soldiers come home with broken psyche's and NO responding Veteran's help, we need help, Divine help. Don't hide behind the Almighty, do the RIGHT thing this election. These are simply warnings, something God has always done to any nation of prominence.

Its help for ALL, not just you this time. You will lose everything right along with us this time, you can't store enough money in the world to offset what is coming, if God turns His back on us completely, the time for duplicity is past.

Stop hiding behind the hypocritical mask of being called a "Evangelical Christian" or a "Conservative Christian", get back to just being a Christian, call Peter out, just like Paul did!

Posted by: A Christian American | September 2, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

My heart is with Bristol

But my head will never understand her mother

Posted by: Julie | September 2, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

we now have the way to attack Palin. forget the kids, forget the experience. just say that the only selling points McCain is using(fraud, waste, earmarks, corruption) etc. are frauds. she used the good old boy network and lobbyists to get earmarks for her city that would make anyone blush, was for the bridge before it became a scandal and didn't say no to the money, and she can't claim purity on use of her office. that leaves exactly nothing except being pro life, and now she's going to have to defend abstinence only being good enough to prevent what happened to her daughter. some in that situation don't have a mom who has no choice but to support the heck out of her to keep the child. I wouldn't say a word about that either, at least not if the question is Palin, but only if the general topic of abortion is raised, and then being careful not to mention Palin's family even then.

let's see how she handles being called a simple fraud.

Posted by: JoeT | September 2, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Let’s see what we already know about Sarah Palin in four short days:

• She is a Pentecostal Christian who believes that our invasion of Iraq is a mission from God.
• She supported the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it.
• She obtained more than $20 Million in earmarks for her town of 6,500 people.
• She is under investigation for misusing political power to settle a family feud.
• She doesn’t believe in evolution and wants to teach the “science” of Creationism in our schools.
• She only supports “abstinence only” sex ed practices, opposes instruction on contraception and slashes public support for unwed mothers—all of this in a state where the teen pregnancy rate is 74 per 1,000.
• Her “protect the children family values” are so strong that she makes her unwed pregnant 17 year old daughter the subject of national discussion.
• She thinks that polar bears should not be on the endangered list even though the ice is melting beneath them.
• At the same fundamentalist church meeting where she announced her messianic vision of the Iraqi war, she called for prayers to build an oil and natural gas pipeline so that Alaskans can achieve their divine destiny.
• She has been governor for only 17 months of a state whose population is smaller than sixteen major American cities. If Alaska were a city, it would rank in size between Austin, Texas and Fort Worth. Its population is half the size of San Antonio.
• She has never administered an entire year of a state budget that she wrote.
• The entire annual budget of Alaska was less than 1/60th of operating revenues of Exxon Mobil in 2007 ($404 Billion).Alaska’s budget is one tenth the size of New York City’s, and its population is only 7% the size of New York City.
• She never held a U.S. passport until last year.
• If elected, she is one heartbeat away from being leader of the Free World. And the heart beat belongs to a 72 year old four time cancer survivor.

I really have to give it to McCain. I thought that it was impossible to find someone less qualified to President than George Bush.

Posted by: But She Can Fire An M-16 | September 2, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Its Over...
The Republicans are out...
End of Story!

Posted by: Da Truth | September 2, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Why haven't you spotted this yet? It is huge.
We learned this week that John McCain really wanted to choose his very good friend, Joe Lieberman, for VP but caved into pressure from the religious right. McCain will save his Lieberman pick for the Supreme Court — sorry evangelicals but you’ll have no leverage on Maverick McCain by then. Your Vice President will have no power in the process and a Democratic majority will happily confirm pro-choice Lieberman to the Supreme Court!
Check Mate!

Posted by: Thoren58 | September 2, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse


Did Obama's vetting of Biden turn up the fact that Joe has been in the senate for 36 years?

Of course it did. But Obama (Change you can believe in; I'm a Washington outsider) cynically chose Biden anyway.

Did Obama's vetting of Biden uncover the fact that Joe's son is a Washington lobbyist for a bank that is Biden's biggest campaign contributor?

Of course it did. But Obama (lobbyists are the root of all evil) cynically chose Biden anyway.

Did Obama's vetting of Biden reveal that Joe voted for a bankruptcy bill that denied protection to those impoverished by medical expenses (a bill supported by the bank his son lobbied for, the bank that is Biden's largest financial supporter)?

Of course it did. But Obama (friend of the working man) cynically chose Biden anyway.

Whatever criteria Obama used to pick Biden, they didn't include adherence to his professed principles.

Posted by: WylieD | September 2, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

How *dare* you question my strategy of putting my own daughter thru hell to establish my pro-life family values bonafides with my fellow fundies?

You're darn straight she's marrying Levi, and yes they're both *ecstatic* about it, and HOW COULD YOU EVEN INSINUATE THEY'RE UNDER ANY KIND OF "PRESSURE"?!?

Posted by: Sarah Palin | September 2, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Real Brother here

And again, the insult to the Black man hating lesbian Hillary supporters that they would vote for Palin(or any woman) and to Barack Obama that his 20 years of following his heart and mind and good judgement is somehow akin to the kneejerk purely emotional and hypocritical actions of Palin who was the Mayor and Govenor of a State with a population less then the crowd in Broncos Stadium that Barack gave his wonderful acceptance speech. You can't tell me that McCain can kick himself so soon after not knowing how many homes he had, after not knowing much about the economy after not knowing the difference between Sheites and Sunni's after not realizing the danger of Nukes,being wrong on the War the timeline for withdrawl too damn old and Racist, White Supremacist DUMB etc.

TKCAL

Posted by: Realbrother | September 2, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

madelk disease has addled their minds. the want to make alaska the new texas, a political oilwell.

mine it, drill it for oil, eat its fish, melt its tundra with atvs.

their attempted candidacy is lunacy.

Posted by: bloggod | September 2, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Lets clear up one thing now. Paulin pales in comparison to Barack Obama. Being female and white does not add creditability to her resume. Being educated at Idaho--in no way compares to degrees from Columbia and Harvard. I haven't even heard where she graduated in her class. Was it at the bottom, top, where??. I want to gag when these comparisons are made. For a party that has destroyed this country and still finds time to pat themselves on the back and still praise their leaders, I have no respect for you and also have no confidence that you can fix the problem. McCain you have been part of the problem--you try to deny it, but you are. Republican we do have a nations to secure and the choices you are making is not helping that cause. I know you want some excitement in your party, but please not at the nations expense.

Posted by: Ilah Grant | September 2, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

If I see someone weaving in and out of the double lines when driving, I wouldn't call that "maverick" driving -- I'd call that erratic driving, and worse.

McCain is showing an erratic streak, not a maverick streak.

None of this is about the Palin family and their daughter -- except for politicians putting their naked ambitions over family values.

Posted by: somerseten | September 2, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Real Brother here.

Its become a common ploy of the Racists and White Supremacists(Hillary supporting Black man hating lesbians)to compare Obama with every DUMB and STUPID and HYPOCRITCAL move of McCain. Nobody cares about Obama's parents not being married and his father not being with his mother(he actually accepted a math scholarship to Harvard and was married to a BLACK woman from Africa at the time and bounced for that reason).Obama hasn't claimed to be above the frey morally and then it comes out that he's lying and a hypocrite. Also these Idiots continue to claim that Palin has equal experience to Obama and again White Supremacists and Racists have a different standard for "experience" then people with sense do.Obama has shown INTELLIGENCE based on EXPERIENCE that has gotten him in the US Senate and right up to the front steps of the White House. Where has Sarah Palin's "experience" gotten her?Democrats will NEVER let America live it down if indeed McCain is elected with this obvious gimmick and token as the VP. Remember you Idiots only "think" that people are voting for Barack because he's Black they actually support him because he's the BEST Candidate for the job.

TKCAL

Posted by: Realbrother | September 2, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

And the purpose of this article would be what? More left wing conjecture to bash the Republicans - and the woman selected to run for VP. No facts, no information, just one sided bashing with no foundation except in partisanship.

Maybe we need to move to McCain to get someone who is interested in Country First instead of Celebrity First.

Posted by: Tabloid Trash | September 2, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Clearly Palin's daughter should not be part of the campaign issues. On the other hand, it is legitimate to ask where McCain and Palin stand regarding:

1 What do they think about the effectiveness of abstinence only approach to unwanted pregnancy? I would assume Gov. Palin mush have impressed that on her kids.
2 How they will treat unwed teen pregnancies should the mother refuses to give up the baby for adoption and does not have a strong family to back them up, in practical as well as emotional terms?
3 What is the basis for the government to suppress, or forbid, contraceptive education other than on religious or perhaps what might be claimed to be on moral grounds?
4 If the basis is on moral grounds, how is that consistent with the Republican cry of "a government that governs the least is a government that governs best"?

Posted by: Steve Chan | September 2, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Getting the Republican VP candidacy job sure is easy.
Fill out a questionnaire, meet the nominee once and thats it.
Don't have to bother old and current acquaintances with thorough interviews. No background check on family, finances, or criminal records. I think the only requirement was to be anti-abortion and female.

Posted by: I want to be VP | September 2, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

This selection by McCain tells me he is more like Bush than he wants to admit. Naming Palin smacks to me of an emotional decision, not one based on reason. He went with his 'gut' reaction. Sound familiar? Sound like Bush on his 'gut' reaction to Putin? Dubya's 'gut' decision to make war on Iraq?
If he's elected McCain will give us four more years of Bush policies but with a much less amiable personality and alot more temper tantrums. What a prospect.

Posted by: cody mccall | September 2, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

These comments are hilarious. So you want to know who Sarah Palin is? She's someone who has governed a state and a city. Two things Obama has never done. She has SO much more experience than Obama that it's a joke!

so were orville faubus,strom thurmond and george wallace..should we have elected them president too.

Posted by: 1-20-2009 | September 2, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Why do liberal commentators assume that MC made an impulsive decision? He met with SP several months ago, which means that he had sufficient time to know her. On the pregnancy issue MC had advance information and he decided to not use this against SP. What's wrong with that? I am a liberal but I do like how liberal reporters are using all kind of anti-MC arguments to favor Obama. NYT, WP, CNN, CNBC--all of them are sold on Obama and they are giving only one perspective that favors Obama. What a shame!

Posted by: iThinker | September 2, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Real Brother here.

Now the Racist(or White Supremacist) WylieD suggests that Obama is no better then McCain in his choice of Biden which is absolutely STUPID but just for kicks let's take a closer look.While Barack would like to CHANGE(read Save)America on his own he decided that it would be better to choose a VP that would challenge him and could with credibility advise and or stand up to him. Obama NEVER promised to select his political twin and or someone who was so subservient to him that his voice wouldn't matter.Real Democrats aren't afraid of opposing views or different, divergent viewpoints(what do you think they are,Republicans?).
Its false to suggest that Obama went against his principals in choosing Biden, in fact Obama is on record stating that his principals are to make the BEST descisions given all the available data regardless of partisan concerns.While Obama made a reasoned and intelligent choice acknowledging the legitimate experience and foreign policy concerns of White Racists and Supremacists(while ignoring the concerns of Black man hating lesbians).McCain's VP choice was illogical and hasty and made in order to placate the Black man hating lesbians who supported Hillary and it was lame. In conclusion Obama might the Right choice and McCain made the McDumb choice and he should be chided for it.
TKCAL

Posted by: Realbrother | September 2, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Just like Bush,McCain is emotional, reckless, ignorant, and selfish. He does not give a sh*t about our country, he only wants to be elected. McCain can never answer any questions about why he choose Palin over many other qualified republicans, because he is desperate to win at all cost, even at the expense of his own country!

Posted by: johnycheng | September 2, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Bristol's pregnancy is a nonissue. Meanwhile the Jerusalem Post is reporting that Bush is getting ready to bomb Iran soon. Maybe we could move onto trying to prevent this kind of irresponsible October surprise. Judging by the Georgia provocation, it appears that the Republicans may have made the political decision that a new war would favor McCain. I am not aware of too many people who think that bombing Iran would stop them from developing the bomb. We should be working to stop this impending catastrophe rather than doing this celebrity dance about Palin, which by the way constitutes about a billion dollars of free publicity for this previously unknown pol.

Posted by: scientist1 | September 2, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Notice that the Palin's and those who support them refer to Sarah's choice in not aborting her son with Down's syndrome, and to her daughter Bristol's choice in keeping her fetus.

First, does anyone seriously think Bristol was given a choice in the matter, as in her mother asking, "do you want an abortion?" It's possible, I guess, but I really doubt it happened like that.

Second, right-to-lifers proclaim, "it's not a choice, it's a child." For them, abortion is not an option. Therefore, claiming the Palin's chose not to abort is disingenuous.

Posted by: melius, michael | September 2, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin was the mayor of a suburb of Anchorage! That's almost 3/4 the size of Wichita! Add her PTA membership, love of hockey and desire to free Alaskans from the oppressive lower 48 onto that and she should be running for President, not Vice.

Go, Sarah, go!


Posted by: Trig | September 2, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

E.J. Everything should be on the table. They have used these kids to make this lady into a good old working mom and are flying the baby daddy in for PR value. I want to see a discussion of why the Republican party is promoting teenage pregnancy with a platform on social issues like they have. I want the hypocrisy card played since it is clear that they are going to do God, guns and gays yet again.

Posted by: Mary | September 2, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Oh I feel SO starved for affection and power after having placed second in the beauty contest that I'll abandon my pregnant 17 year-old daughter, my special needs baby, the new job I just got as Chief of the Big Igloo after being promoted from mayor of a small hamlet, so I can reverse a woman's right to choose, deny equal rights to gays, cut more taxes for the rich, enable oil companies to rape public lands, and be second in line to have my finger on the button! HOW PATHETIC!! The rest of the world is laughing in disgust!

Posted by: Xiao Peng | September 2, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

McCain's choice of Palin suggests a continuation of Bush's Peter-Principle-hiring-policy. A talking point for Palin supporters is her "executive experience," but that experience does not seem relevant to the decision-making process of the POTUS.

No one can make an informed decision without being informed. And Palin may be well-informed on issues related to Alaska but her knowledge and background on issues facing the POTUS are unknown - perhaps even to John McCain. The sketchy vetting and interview process has been totally inadequate so voters are unaware of any issue this candidate can discuss in depth.

Think of it, Palin was elected Gov by the number of people who could fill two football stadiums. That's a drop in the bucket in a nation of 300 million. And all voters know about her at this time are details that make one think of a soap opera or the latest B-rated reality TV show.

Two questions: (1) When will a panel of interviewers ask Palin the tough questions so we can judge how qualified she is to speak extemporaneously on any issue? (2) John McCain, what were you thinking?

Posted by: Flabbergasted | September 2, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

When I was hired as a low-level Federal employee (now self-employed), I had ten interviews!

Posted by: William | September 2, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

I have more concern that 12 years ago at the age of 32, Ms. Palin belonged to the Alaskan Independence Party which advocates seceding from the United States. I can deal with her daughter being pregnant. But when an adult in her early 30s views secession from her country of birth as an option, she infers her willingness to deny her citizenship status. Does anyone want that person as Vice President of the United States?

Posted by: Adirondacker | September 2, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

McCain's second wife Cindy says that Palin lives in Alaska, which is near Russia. Because of this Palin has international experience. Bush used to live near Mexico and drank Tequila..

Palin has supported earmarks including "THE FAMOUS BRIDGE TO NOWHERE" before going against it.

The PTA mom has the perfect experience to run the country and world affairs just like George Bush.

Palin has conservative values...what does that means? Having a kid w/down syndrome and leaving him behind to move on to big things or her daughter's pregnancy?

And finally the Maverick and the brave solidier puts country first by bowing down to right wing and picking Palin. Think about it - Straight Talk express - Do you really believe that Palin is ready to be the president if something happens to him...say it straight.

Not that I am excited about the other ticket but this is really over the top.

Posted by: Mike | September 2, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

It's finally time for Democrats to confront conservative evangelicals, after three decades of wishing they'd just chill out! From Milbank's column:

"A group associated with Focus on the Family's James Dobson had posted a video asking people to pray for "rain of biblical proportions" to wash out Democrat Barack Obama's open-air speech in Denver last week.

Republicans have a history of such practices. The late Rev. Jerry Falwell blamed 9/11 on "the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays." The Rev. John Hagee said Hurricane Katrina was "the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans."

And the Rev. Pat Robertson threatened Orlando with "earthquakes, tornadoes and possibly a meteor" for displaying gay-pride flags."

The majority must STOP this continuing, misguided "will to power" to establish an American theocracy!

Posted by: Li Chi | September 2, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Republicans: If you are defending Palin for all of her experience, just listen to yourselves.

It's absurd on its face and its even more shameless the deeper you go.

Just stop it, we know you're lying when you say you think she's ready.

Posted by: Alexander | September 2, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Yes,
It appears that everyone has been distracted over Bristol Palin's pregnancy, when the real question should be, "is her mother qualified for the second most important job in the country?" IF she were chosen by a democratic nominee for president you can bet that republicans would be seriously asking this question..."is she qualified to be second in command? Of course since she is their prospective nominee's choice as a running mate we hear only glorification with nary a feign regarding her qualifications.
:=) paul

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

There was a joke going around when Bill Clinton was President that said, "These guys can't help it; whenever they pull their pants zippers down, their brains fall out." That's a great way to elect a woman as Veep - she's hottttt!!! You guys are really somthim else. I'm not voting for McCain, but I think a candidate's family, particularly the children, should be off limits.

Posted by: essafaga | September 2, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Retarded? Voting for McCain/Palin is what's retarded.

Posted by: Wee Todd Id | September 2, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Let me understand this…

You have a special needs child and an under-aged daughter about to have her own child. And you want to set aside the needs of the first and expose the second to a media storm just to advance your political career.

Sounds to me like you need to get your priorities straight before running for VP of the most powerful nation on Earth.

Posted by: G. Bush | September 2, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Wow McCain really miscalculated. Lots of ordinary guys are gonna really be turned off by Palin. He lost my vote that's for sure.

Posted by: Brian | September 2, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

If people like Palin have their way, the Republican party will become a sectarian religious party, like the Sunni and Shiite parties in Iraq. Do we want that in this country? A situation in which, if you're a member of one religious sect you vote only for one particular party, if not you vote for the other? We have seen the result of such religious partisanship in Iraq. It is a fearsome prospect.

In case you think I'm exaggerating, the above view came not from me but from former Republican Senator John Danforth of Missouri, himself an ordained Protestant minister, who expressed it in an interview on Charlie Rose last year. A lot of Republicans are uncomfortable with the influence that religious fanatics have gained in their party -- so much that McCain, instead of choosing the running mate he really wanted, chose one that evangelicals wanted instead. No sensible person will vote Republican until the party purges itself of the wild-eyed fanatics.

Posted by: simon | September 2, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Palin only got a passport last year! Wonder how she's going to lead the country in foreign affairs when McCain, um, "steps down."

Posted by: GloballyMinded | September 3, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

No more candy-@ss liberals, please!

Bristol Palin is the new poster-child for abstinence only education. This absolutely is about real world policies and real world consequences.

Second, the Palin baby-gate imbroglio is yet another piece of sordid evidence of what a fraud the Republicans are with their self-righteous family values tripe.

Have we ever, in our history, had a First Lady who was a certifiable home wrecker? Have we ever had a First Lady who has publicly admitted to stealing prescription drugs from a charity? Why isn't Cindy McCain in jail right now?

These are the straight forward questions Democrats shouldn't be afraid to ask. Instead, they'd rather sit around with their thumbs up their posteriors and "Hope" they win!

Posted by: Bill B. | September 3, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

1.McCain the war hero reminds me of Patton, and nobody would make that nut the Pres!
2.Palin's preg daugh is now 17, was she having sex at 16 or earlier? Would judges she pick put you in jail for this?
3.Since winning the war is a major issue,in order to win, does't somebody have to lose! so who is going to sign the paper saying I quit, you won!

Posted by: thebottomline | September 3, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

So what we can learn from this is that it is statistically and realistically safe to say that MOST people will be sexually active by or before age 17. Once you acknowledge that fact, and accept that you are powerless to stop it with teaching/preaching you then take the next step....which IS NOT abstinence only/no abortions allowed. Geeze, it doesn't take a genius to follow the dots here.

Posted by: mladyd | September 3, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Finally! A sane column in the midst of the ugliest media feeding frenzy I've ever seen, which has unleashed rivers of bile from so-called progressive bloggers. I can't believe that one of the posters here actually referred to Baby Trig as "having to suffer his whole life as a retard." Sorry, but people like you are the true retards. If you keep up such vicious personal attacks, you will surely alienate moderates and independents who might have supported Obama and swing the election to McCain. Haven't any of you jerks heard about sympathy votes?

Posted by: ExMediaCreature | September 3, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Supernany would make better mom and a better VP than palin.

Posted by: anon | September 3, 2008 3:24 AM | Report abuse

like mama like daughter-Sara Palin was knocked up before marriage also(wiki) What a sleazy party the GOP is,their so-called values pertain only to their intrusion in your life.Cindy Homewreaker,Johnny the Adulterer,Sara Hockey Mom Hypocrite,Cheney the Smallbird killer,BigOil Bush,typically serving their own narrow agenda,never the long-term health of our country.While they pat themselves on the back for the plagues they have brought us,I just want them to eat their words;their slanderous lies;in fact they are worse then any enemy we face,because the GOP today has done more damage to this country legally,financially,
morally,and humanly than the terrorists whom they've done business with for decades.It's time to take the gloves off,we need to properly vet Palin,she needs to be vigorously investigated,no stone unturned,I want my country back,I don't care about their FEELINGS.The GOP represent the death of our country,they bleed our stealth for stolen riches-they say they are heros but they embellish EVERYTHING-never trust a Repulican unless they belong to the party because they are stupid and don't know better,or because they believe in taking the party back to THE TRUE REPUBLICAN"S IDEALS of Teddy Roosevelt or Eisenhower-today's GOP is morally bankrupt and ELITIST

Posted by: lars siler | September 3, 2008 4:56 AM | Report abuse

amen

Posted by: lars siler | September 3, 2008 5:03 AM | Report abuse

"we on the right do not believe that sex ed should be taught in school. It is the responsibility of the two parents at home."

Wow, really worked well didn't it.

Posted by: Sex Happens! | September 3, 2008 6:05 AM | Report abuse

"we on the right do not believe that sex ed should be taught in school. It is the responsibility of the two parents at home."

Wow, really worked well didn't it.

Posted by: Sex Happens! | September 3, 2008 6:05 AM | Report abuse

"we on the right do not believe that sex ed should be taught in school. It is the responsibility of the two parents at home."

Wow, really worked well didn't it.

Posted by: Sex Happens! | September 3, 2008 6:05 AM | Report abuse

According to their own rabid supporters and figureheads, Palin is a bad mother and has failed as a parent because of her preggo teenage daughter.

This line of thinking is directly from Rush Limbaugh.

So, why the different treatment of conservative teenage mothers and liberal teenage mothers?

Nevermind I answered my own question.

HYPOCRISY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Very sexist remarks made here today. I guess they like the old Hitler standard that women belong in the kitchens and bedrooms. Look how that worked out!!! McCain is the real deal and he is running for President,not VP. Obama has no, no ,no experience,at all, except in lobbying. His own questionable associations with Ayers, Rezko and Wright need much more scrutiny by the media. But I won't hold my breath.

Posted by: mauren | September 3, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

"we on the right do not believe that sex ed should be taught in school. It is the responsibility of the two parents at home."
Posted by: hst

Yeah, the Palins believe that too. Seems to be working so far. LMAO.

"It is curious that every comment regarding Palin's readiness fails to realize that it is also a critique about Obama's readiness."
Posted by: An Informed Reader

The Republicans spouted that criticism first. Now they get to reap what they sow.


I'm sick of this Palin crap. She's just another opportunistic, vain, silly woman. Let's look at the McCains again, shall we?
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2008-08-07/news/postmodern-mccain-the-john-mccain-some-arizonans-know-and-loathe/1

The man is scum and so is his wife.

Posted by: will we never learn | September 3, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Unbelieveable how ugly sterotypes get thrown around by the self-professed defenders of 'tolerance'. Clearly, the leftists in this country are the meanest and angriest group of people around today.

Posted by: RK | September 3, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse


"Clearly, the leftists in this country are the meanest and angriest group of people around today."

That's because anything goes with them, including trashing a teenage girl who got "unlucky". Just like the unprincipled Obama's association with Wright and Ayers. Birds of a feather flock together. Trash supports trash.

Posted by: Billw | September 3, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I love how suddenly the Republican party thinks issues involving politician's sex lives, or the sex lives of their family members are "private". Isn't this the same party that impeached Bill Clinton over an affair with Monica Lewinsky?

Posted by: Paul | September 2, 2008 3:51 PM


No, Paul; this is the same party that impeached Bill Clinton for committing perjury and obstruction of justice.

Posted by: albruan | September 3, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Billw,

You must be joking. Have you heard the filth put out by the likes of Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin or Bill O’Reilly?

Conservatives just don’t have the guts to look in the mirror and admit they are hypocrites. Face it...your time is over.

Posted by: Fred T. | September 3, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Why is the Republican party promoting UNWED TEENAGE PREGNANCY? To make some twisted pro-life point?

This is lost on me. Kids should not be having kids and republicans should not be telling kids that this is good. Most people don't have Palin's financial resources, especially these days.

I'm sorry, call me a crazy conservatve, but this is irresponsible.

Posted by: Gnostic | September 3, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden was treated like a hero by his son and the delegates at the Democrat convention when his son told the story about how Joe lost his wife and daughter in a car accident while he was Senator-elect and ultimately decided to take the office as a single father with 2 injured sons who needed care.

Everyone was teary-eyed as Joe's son described how his father took the train for hours each way from work to the hospital so he could spend time with his sons and simultaneously perform the duties of Senator. What a strong man and devoted father.

Not one member of the media accused Joe Biden of abandoning his family and being a poor father by accepting the position of Senator when his seriously injured sons needed him more than ever since they did not even have a mother.

No double standard there.

Posted by: BILL | September 3, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

For the McCain camp to ask the media to "respect their privacy" on this "private mater" is disingenuous at best. At each of Palin's appearances so far, she has made her family an issue. Her Down's Syndrome baby, her son going to Iraq, even flying her daughters boyfriend down for a photo-op with John McCain at an airport and parading him around the podium at the RNC.

So.... Let me get this right.... They can milk her family story for all it's worth, but the media's not allowed to question what SHE has made public?

Posted by: Jeff H | September 4, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Who gives two cents about Sarah Palin and her pregnant fornicating teenage daughter. Sarah Palin and her family need to go back to Bristol Bay and soak in it. Your baby needs you Sarah. Be a mother first. Sarah Palin for VP or otherwise is ridiculous. So she was the mayor of a small town of 9,000. So she is the governor of Alaska. What kind of daily decisions did she have to make? She has budget experience? Well so do I. I balance my household budget with the little amount of money I have left over after a Republic administration cuts my paycheck into pieces. Did Sarah Palin have to make decisions like you or I on a daily basis? Couldn't have been too much since Alaska is mostly occupied by moose and bears anyway. Someone should check into her husband's background with the Bristol Bay Native Corporation to see if he and her are getting any kickbacks. You news people get off your flat backs and start reporting good investigative news for a change. You are way too lazy. Vote for McCain just because he has a woman on the ticket? I don't think so. McCain has one foot in the grave and Sarah Palin is far from being on the same level of Hillary Clinton. Palin is at the bottom of the scale. The fact that she's younger shouldn't cut it. But she looks good!-What are you horny men thinking? The woman is married. She don't want any of you. Start getting your act together, stop thinking with your johnson and start thinking about this country. Can you afford to have gas prices double on you? Well that's what you are going to get under McCain-Palin. Can you afford to be out of work? Well that's what you are going to get under McCain-Palin. Can you afford to get sick and stand up under the astronomical hospital bills? Well that's what you are going to get under McCain-Palin. Stop being idiots. The news people and politicians tell you that the Democrat candidate doesn't have enough experience. Well look back over the last Republican years where we had so-called "experienced" people at the helm. They still screwed up didn't they? Bush "W" is the biggest screw up. So I'm willing to go with a little experienced Democrat than a "know it all, can't tell me anything, experienced Republican." Please ... get it together!

Posted by: Sheila Rogers | September 9, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

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