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Really, Rudy?

Former New York City Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani knows something about running a city, taking on entrenched interests, taming an unwieldy bureaucracy and cutting taxes. So I was struck by a particular paragraph in his rah-rah for Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who in just a little bit will accept the Republican nomination for vice president. Let's look at it, shall we?


Giuliani speaks at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn. (AP Photo/Paul Sancya)

"Governor Palin represents a new generation. She's already one of the most successful governors in America -- and the most popular. And she already has more executive experience than the entire Democratic ticket combined. She's been a mayor; I love that.... Then she became governor. She's reduced taxes, she's reduced government spending."

The Rudy Giuliani I covered during my days on the New York Daily News editorial board would have sneered at Palin's experience. The "city" Palin led -- Wasilla -- had an estimated 8,471 people in 2005. The upper East side of Manhattan, the area where Giuliani lived during his eight years as mayor, has 23 times more people than that. The state Palin leads had 670,053 in 2006. And the $4.3 billion supplemental she signed in April is dwarfed by the last budget signed by Giuliani in 2001 that totaled more than $41 billion.

Palin cut some taxes. But she also smacked a windfall profits tax on the oil industry last year that collected an estimated $6 billion in the fiscal year that ended on June 30 and is fueling a budget surplus this year. I suppose Palin and Sen. John McCain agreed to disagree on this, since McCain is against such a tax.

At 44, Palin is certainly from a new generation. She certainly is popular. Her approval rating sits in the stratospheric 80 percent to 90 percent range. Judging from a quick read of editorials by the folks who should know her best, the Anchorage Daily News, she's been a reasonably decent steward of the state so far. She's only been in the job for 21 months.

So, technically speaking, yes, Palin has more executive experience than her Democratic Party opponents, Sens. Barack Obama and Joe Biden. But by that token, Palin has more executive experience than McCain. If that's going to be the standard, then perhaps she should be at the top of the ticket.

By Jonathan Capehart  | September 3, 2008; 10:14 PM ET
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Rudy Giuliani mocked Barack Obama's experience as a community organizer. Angry Rudy seems to think that there is no honor in leading a community out of a "Republican Recession". He also said that Barack Obama has never lead people in a time of crisis. I am not sure but I believe that people facing foreclosure, bankruptcy, crippling debt might consider this a crisis.

Posted by: Sam Kerr | September 3, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Bravo Jonathan; very well said!

Posted by: mrspeel | September 3, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Rudy Giuliani lost all of my respect. What a hack job speech. Just more fear and hate-mongering from the right. So many lies. Great article, Giuliani is just the latest Republican to blind, unsubstantiated, and venom in the form of fabricated truths. Sounds alot like why we went to war in the first place. Its too bad the country is stupid enough as a whole to believe it. I wonder what the housing market is like in Canada.

Posted by: sosick | September 3, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans have taken on the mantel of cynicism fostered by McCain--a candidate who never had any executive experience (and whose claim to fame was a failed mission in Viet Nam). So now we listen to the attack on "elites"--Guiliani, Romney, McCain are not elites?--and on the media. We have had enough of the Bush-Cheney elites already with their neo-con economic disasters and their pro-choice evangelist con men. Vote against this nonsense.

Posted by: cb | September 3, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

There was a time when people looked to the Republican Party in admiration - the party of Lincoln, the party of Teddy Roosevelt, the party of Eisenhower. Also the party of Henry Stimson, who served FDR ably as Secretary of War in World War II. Ability, experience, trust, vision. Those things are gone now. Sarah Palin just compared herself to Harry Truman. What a sham! I hope they are having a good time up in St. Paul, because the rest of the country will give the GOP a good drubbing for the last eight years of failed policies and an incredibly cynical pick for VP. Good riddance!

Posted by: Karl in MD | September 3, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

They need more photo ops!

Rudy Death Head and "Tweety" McCain, with his puffy face looking like a fat lady's butt cheeks. Up close and personal!


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRACY

Posted by: Marc Schlee | September 3, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Giuliani didn't give a speech. He was talking smack. Where I'm from, he'd find himself swollen and bruised by tomorrow morning after all the trash he was talking.

Posted by: Ernest | September 3, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

I cannot believe how Giuliani and Palin disrespected a Harvard lawyer doing community work in South Chicago as having 'no responsibility', as doing 'nothing'.

That was a new low.

Posted by: Ioana from Silver Spring | September 3, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

These Republicans must realize that the only reason they are talking about change at all is because Obama has consistently and repeatedly focused his attention there.

It is HIS central theme, the Republicans are trying to co opt it as their own.

Too bad McSame is another Bush and Palin is just a poor excuse for a VP candidate.

Posted by: delantero | September 3, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

I thought I would weigh in this article, but decided to do as Obama does and just vote present!

Posted by: Dem52 | September 3, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Do the republicans actually have any ideas for America?


Their sarcasm and self righteous rhetoric is unimpressive.

Posted by: jds | September 3, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Rudy is a useless dirt bag. After listening to Palin....she seems like one too.

Posted by: Eric | September 3, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

One of my favorite lines in Giuliani's address was how he noted that Sarah Palin had fought corruption in Alaska, "Even within the Republican Party!" Actually, wasn't it ONLY within the Republican Party?

Posted by: Beauvallon | September 3, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Rudy's speech was petty, smug, vile, and dishonest. I am usually fairly metered and unmoved by the partisan nonsense in either of these pep rallies, but none of the speeches delivered so far in either event have been as deceitful or as out-right viscously partisan and distorted.

Do Republicans really buy this #&@*? Coming from the middle, I can say: I do not.

Please can someone point out the precise reference where Obama or Biden EVER made a single comment about how "cosmopolitan" any town in Alaska?

To be clear, Obama's response to Palin: "I congratulate her and look forward to a vigorous debate ... [she is] an admirable person and will add a compelling new voice to this campaign."

To be clear, Obama's response on Palin's family situation: "This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president."

So Rudy can grouse about how "they" are responding to Palin, but it's clear to anyone objective who is being dishonest and dishonorable here.

This is a cowardly way to run a campaign. I hope McCain takes a more honest and honorable route with his speech.

I'm fairly independent, and I can say this to Republicans trying to win over those of us in the middle: Nothing convinces me more that you've no real substance than a vicious and petty attack strategy. The more you strike out at your opponent, the clearer it is that you've no real compelling ideas of your own.

Eyes on your own paper, Rudy. I can make up my own mind about McCain's opponent. Every minute you spend lying to me about the Democrats is a minute you've wasted that you could have used clarifying why McCain is appealing the the center.

So far, I don't see it. All I see is hate, arrogance, and fear tactics. Today is the first day I've felt really good about Obama. Thanks for clarity, Rudy.

Posted by: RPW | September 3, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

People, ever noticed how these die-hard, double standard Gippers are so blindly loyal to the party that even if a chimpanzee were to be nominated as president, they'd passionately defend the candidate and vote for it?

Am I exaggerating? I don't think so.

They did it in 2000. And, not having learned their lesson, did it again in 2004. Dense and slow bunch, these Gippers. Must be from all that inbreeding.

Posted by: independent | September 3, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

sounds like sour grapes on Rudy's part.

Posted by: nazcalito | September 3, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Lose the "L" in Palin and all you get is

PAIN.

Posted by: Tad in Arizona | September 3, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

completely disgusted with the republicans tonight. they lost my vote. i am ashamed.

Posted by: amy | September 3, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Ghouliani and most of the Republicans at the convention look like walking corpses, dead inside. All this party has to offer is fear, fear, and more fear....

Posted by: Michael | September 3, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

I wish all editorial writers and TV news people would put a (D),(R)or (I) after their names so we can see why they think they way they do. Most should concentrate on the candidates philisophical beliefs and not on whether or not the candidates had oral sex in the Oval Office or have a pregnant 17 year old kid. Well then again, sex in the Oval Office is a bit much.

Posted by: Jon Talus (R) | September 3, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse


Maybe, maybe not. But I just saw the closest thing to Ronald Regan since Ronald Regan give a speech.

What Rudy believes is pretty irrelevant. What I beleive is that those who love liberalism, even if they know not why, will be puking all over Sarah Palin.

Because she's the real deal and alone overshadows even the lead of her rival ticket.

That's what you can believe.

Posted by: Rudy Believe Palin? | September 3, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Did Rudy realize how WASP-y and mean-spirited he sounded by belittling community organizing as not an example of leadership? Why did New York City elect that dirtbag in the first place?

Posted by: digitaldebris | September 3, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

I am not anti-republican, but I must confess that after George Bush Sr. There has not been a single leader amongst the party. We had a GB Jr. who was just another oil monger(BTW I dont compare him to GB Sr. who IMO was a good president). John McCain is normal B-grade politician. What america needs now is a leader, not a politician. I would have loved it if Hilary Clinton had stood for the Republicans, it would have been one hell of a competetion for the white house. I remember Nixon and FDR those young presidents(young compared to McCain), they were the true leaders IMO.

Posted by: kicj | September 3, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Reading these responses, the childhood catcall of "dish it out, but can't take it" comes to mind.

Oh, and for those who can't see the connection between executive experience and military leadership... I don't even know what to say. But, I should not be surprised. BHO tried to trump Palin's experience with his experience managing a campaign. If I have to explain it, you wouldn't understand.

Hmmm. Moving to Canada sounds like a great idea. I'd even be willing to fund that with taxpayer monies.

Posted by: Bob | September 3, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

I suggest we send John McCain large medallions to wear around his neck with
"I am an ex POW" because I am sure there is ONE person in the world who might not know this - I cannot believe he is exploiting his POW experience at the convention as well as EVERY conversation he now holds. I admired John and read his book, but now I see an entirely different man - it is sad, truly sad to watch this.

Posted by: virginia mcmahon | September 3, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

"So, technically speaking, yes, Palin has more executive experience than her Democratic Party opponents, Sens. Barack Obama and Joe Biden. But by that token, Palin has more executive experience than McCain. If that's going to be the standard, then perhaps she should be at the top of the ticket."

Wow, I was thinking the exact same thing. Excellent point

Posted by: Johny | September 3, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Rudy certainly does!!! I'd be very ill, if I were you toxic waste liberals as Palin's speech was more fabulous than even I expected. I'm going to slept very well tonight.

Posted by: J Snyder | September 3, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

I am a republican and an Accountant, trust me it doesn't take brains to know that there have been great fiscal irresponsibility the past couple of years. It all adds up to neglect and the gamble that things are going to turn out good for everyone if companies continue to outsource jobs overseas and at the same time get a tax breaks in doing so.

The companies that are in Dow get huge tax breaks so that they reinvest in the economy. The corruption in Wall Street, the greed of bankers betting on the housing market. It just all adds up, and it's frustrating.

I am a grown man at 28, every night I worry about my neighbors, if they will keep their houses, their jobs, if this country still believes in the American dream, or has corporate America and congress sold us out.

Well it suffice me to say that I am voting for change, I could care less what people in my party are saying. Their policies have been disastrous. I am voting Obama.

Posted by: Zach | September 3, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Alright already. Enough is enough on both sides. As a 47-year-old African American male, I'm asking for a moratorium on the personal attacks and a renewed focus on the real issues that will affect us all. Please.

Posted by: Ron Williams | September 3, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

I thought Rudy's speech was one of the worst convention speeches I've ever heard, but Sarah Palin's was embarassing. It sounded like Sean Hannity wrote it and it is clear the direction this campaign will take. She will make this the most divisive partisan election of all time and obviously will do whatever Steve Schmidt says.

Posted by: John | September 3, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

What's a community organizer? Rudy got it right, we need a candidate that's not afraid to make a decision.

Posted by: Community Organizer? | September 3, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Please - someone explain to me how fanatic followers of Jesus Christ GET OFF SO MUCH on war.

I couldn't sit through Barracuda's speech, but what I picked up was lies, distortion and war war war.

And ... a big lack of details about policy and planning.

Posted by: Bud | September 3, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

I think it is about time that someone finally pointed out that by the Republican definition of Executive Experience Senator McCain has exactly none.

Posted by: R Stubblefield | September 3, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

A "community organizer" would be a person at the FRONT LINE of SOCIAL CHANGE.

What's a "Miss Wasilla" ??

Posted by: Bud | September 3, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

I was stunned and ashamed to hear the Republicans slam community organizing this evening. They came across tonight as mean-spirited, small-minded and ignorant.

Posted by: Inkfingers | September 3, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Keep in mind that he didn't actually prepare that speech - he just delivered it... It was written by other hacks. He probably should have read it before he gave it. Great summary and comments.

Posted by: Interested | September 3, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Rudy Who? He wasn't around long enough in the primary to even warrant a speaking slot. He's still living off 9/11 and milking it for what it's worth. Typical Repugnants.

Posted by: 2pacolypse | September 3, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Boy, all this hate and nasty words ... well in two months the positive people who care about the country will have won and the losers can soak in there negative energy. I do hope you find a way to overcome the dark side. Go Mccain :-)

Posted by: Dave | September 3, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

What Losers!!! America really needs
these comedians in the White House.
They couldn't fight their way out of a
paper bag. They have nothing to offer
to the America people.
I get a good laugh out of all their Lies
and how many Americans sit there at this
convention and belied all their Lies.
Sad if you ask this American.
Four more years of the same or worse,
go ahead and vote for McSame but you will
get what you ask for if he is the President
and all we will get is laughs from every
country out there. We will be the laughing
stock of Everyone!!! No thank you I want
Obama someone who other countries will
respect and take serious.
McSame is a joke just like Bush!!!

Posted by: Sammy | September 3, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans have been sending mixed message after mixed message in their convention.

Lieberman says bipartisanship; Guiliani says if you're not with us we're against you, with mockery and prejudice.

National Security is very important sometimes; having an unvetted, unknown Governor with no security credentials makes you qualified to be Commander in Chief.

What pure, deceitful, manipulative spin.

Posted by: somerseten | September 3, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Im a supporter of McCain/ Palin. But I have to admit when someone has a point......well made point when you said...

"So, technically speaking, yes, Palin has more executive experience than her Democratic Party opponents, Sens. Barack Obama and Joe Biden. But by that token, Palin has more executive experience than McCain. If that's going to be the standard, then perhaps she should be at the top of the ticket."

Pretty rare for the Washington Post

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

How ugly was Rudy with his sick grins. Only his lies were uglier. What a pompous ass !

Posted by: fido | September 3, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Yes really Jonathan!

Posted by: dem52 | September 3, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Rudy's speech didn't have the qualities of a speech: it was just dissing. I hated it, and I hated him, and I hated that this small-minded, ugly speech got the biggest enthusiasm and applause of the evening. Contrast that with Obama. Obama appeals to what is best in our nature. Giuliani appeals to what is basest in our nature. Ugh.

Posted by: maria | September 3, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

haha - dude, the GOP is done.

the strategy has been broke for 8 years, there's no way america would vote for mccain and pailin. the last time i looked in the mirror, americans don't scare so easy. we are down to fix the mess that bush left - fix the deficit, hand over iraq responsibly, educate our kids so they have more to say than a guliani and actually earn jobs, end dependency on oil, and stand up to our responsibility as the ONLY superpower in the world. get these uneducated clowns out of my face.

Posted by: diesel | September 3, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

It was difficult to watch Rudy. He looked like the warden of a county jail.

The Republican party must be appealing to the ignorant tonight. Everybody knows that Palin supported the Bridge to Nowhere. What lies she told.

Posted by: Bill | September 3, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

LOL the party that belittles a person that can deliver a speech are wetting their pants over...a person who delivered a speech! That will make a funny Obama AD!

Posted by: Terry | September 3, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

WHO BELIEVE AN ADULTERER AND LIAR MAFIOSO

Posted by: vidal | September 3, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

you can almost smell the fear. well actually you can hear it in these venomous responses from the democrat side. a little remorse that their experienced candidate didn't get the nod, and now their nominee looks really inexperienced. haha dems will lose again and have to lick their wounds for another four. remember you lost to an unpopular Bush/Cheney four years ago. You will lose again.

Posted by: eva | September 3, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

jds (see above) has is right. They offered ZERO plans to get America going again. Help repair the massive economic damage done by Bush-Cheney & Co. Rhetoric, vilification, insults, and more useless self-righteous gibberish is all I heard. I was listening closely for substance and heard none. Really.

Posted by: taxcoal | September 3, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

palin gave a good attack dog speech. unfortunately is was full of lies. She went against the bridge to nowhere after congress determined that Alaska had to pick the rest of the tab.

What a joke !

Posted by: palin's pain | September 3, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

@ RPW: Very well-written opinion on your part.

Now, does anyone ever wonder what the enlightened Dems -- referring to the McCain-Palin ticket -- mean by "more of the same?"

More of the same vile. More of the same deceit. More of the same fear- and hate-mongering.

Not only were Giuliani's words blatant lies, what's absolutely scary was that the "honorable" former mayor delivered them with biting sarcasm generously dashed with genuine enthusiasm.

Posted by: ipitytherepublicans | September 3, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

I watched the speeches and gave 1000$ to Obama!

Posted by: dave jensen | September 3, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

"Please - someone explain to me how fanatic followers of Jesus Christ GET OFF SO MUCH on war." -This is insulting.

I'm a proud Jew and I support John McCain because I know he will protect Israel.

Posted by: FriendofIsrael | September 3, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Zach, I salute you, I wish I could shake your hand, and I wish there were more like you. What I see in my small town in blind idealism to party platform soundbites that have never come to fruition, combined with fear, fear, and then more fear that somehow no Republican shares any responsibility for anything.

I'm counting on people like you. I'm not a Democrat because I think any of them are going to save us, I'm a Democrat because I've become horrified at the lack of confidence in this country that Republican idealists have: Our Constitution - so great that it inspired the neocons to promote Jeffersonian Democracy around the world with the largest military ever assembled - just wasn't good enough for the task at hand.

Imagine waking up George Washington or Thomas Jefferson or James Madison or Ben Franklin or Alexander Hamilton and telling them that the Constitution they signed by hand with a quill pen would be declared inadequate by an administration afraid of a guy in a white turbin living in a cave; and that the admonitions of George Washington that torture only demeans the torturer and puts future soldiers at risk of having same done to them would be betrayed.

I just wanted to say thank you. I live in a small town where the Republican ideals are holding firm at 90%, and I want to believe that we're smart enough to see what the truth really is.

Posted by: JustJoe | September 3, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

What a wind bag... Most NYers were glad to see him go. Bloomberg has been 10 Billion times better as Mayor of NYC. Guliani is a hate mongering fascist.

Posted by: Dennis | September 3, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

I had to turn off the TV on the Democratic Convention from time to time as it became 80% BS.

But the Republican Convention was 100% BS all the way.

It is, beyond all doubt, the party to nowhere.

Posted by: Peter Roizen | September 3, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Watch Jesse Ventura's speech, pt.1 on youtube, for the Ron Paul convention. He explains how the debates became controlled by the Dems, and Repubs and so stopped having content. There is little difference between the two parties, since they work together at our expense.

Posted by: David | September 3, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Just saw Sarah's speech on TV for the Convention...YES!!!
Sarah Palin ROCKS!
This is going to be a GREAT presidency!
Except THIS time, with a REAL republican!
8 more years!!!!!
8 more years!!!!!
8 more years!!!!!
8 more years!!!!!

Posted by: Don | September 3, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

It is about time some of the REAL AMERICANS spoke up to this liberal madness and the fairy taie of the radical islamics just going away and leaving us alone because we give up the ghost and threw the towel in the ring as we did in Nam, and brought the troops home.

TRUE AMERICANS who heard the GOP Convention speakers this evening should be proud to have Palin and McCain on the ballot.

Posted by: Jim | September 3, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

I am so tired of the whole Republican act. At this point it is overkill. The one thing that Rudy & John have in common is they have both been through many wives. This country was founded by men with integrity, not men who can't make up their minds on who they want to be married to. I watched Palin's acceptance tonight and as a very "Strong Woman" I feel embarrassed for America as to the tactics the McCain party has used to win this election. If Hillary Clinton didn't run, do you really think he would've picked her to be his running mate??? NO WAY! What a joke our Presidential Process has become. Obama, you have my vote 100%.

A Republican at heart, but not this time.

Posted by: Bobbi | September 3, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Just saw Sarah's speech on TV for the Convention...YES!!!
Sarah Palin ROCKS!
This is going to be a GREAT presidency!
Except THIS time, with a REAL republican!
8 more years!!!!!
8 more years!!!!!
8 more years!!!!!
8 more years!!!!!

Posted by: Don | September 3, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Palin speech was so breath taking. She has presidential status. She was clear and concise. America needs to start drilling in Alaska, lower gas prices, and be independent from other countries. Obama is nothing but a socialist. I will never vote for a man who never defended our country. Mccain/Palin 08!!!!

Posted by: Big Oil | September 3, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Mitt told more lies about so-called liberals than Rudy did. For instance - Most of the Supreme Court justices were Republican picked & gave the terrorists "constitutional" rights.

Posted by: Steve | September 3, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Rudy is a sick demented drag queen. It is hard to even listen to the scum talk. He is just the type of sicko the Republicans love.

Posted by: hmmmmmer | September 3, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

I feel John McCain feels he is the only POW in the world. What about all the other veterans? The last 8 year's since Bush (Republican) has been in office has done little to nothing for our veterans. When they returned home whether amputies or in need of hospital care. They are sent to deal with unsanitary conditions.I feel Palin is a want to be she does not have a clue??? She sure knows how to cut down others, anyone can do that. The world is in alot of trouble if these two people are elected. They are a couple of losers.

Posted by: Patty | September 3, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Ioana from Silver Spring, you speak the truth. But there are apparently no depths to which the modern Republican Party won't sink on its one way trip to irrelevance.

Posted by: Matt | September 3, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse


Excuse me? Did I hear right? "Angry Republican Guliani"?

You've gotta be kidding me, right?

BTW: As for all the Palin spew? I completely understand. Some people hate a winner.

The self-loathing class amongst us will certainly revile Sarah Palin. It's predictable. I'm used to it.

Posted by: Mary Ellen Hopkins | September 3, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Just a FEW of Obama's accomplishments in the Senate that Rudy forgot to mention:

Federal Ethics Reform: Obama and Senator Feingold (D-WI) took on both parties and proposed ethics legislation that was described as the "gold standard" for reform. It was because of their leadership that ending subsidized corporate jet travel, mandating disclosure of lobbyists' bundling of contributions, and enacting strong new restrictions of lobbyist-sponsored trips became part of the final ethics bill that was signed into law. The Washington Post wrote in an editorial, "The final package is the strongest ethics legislation to emerge from Congress yet."

Civil Rights: And in the U.S. Senate, Obama has been a leading advocate for protecting the right to vote, helping to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act and leading the opposition against discriminatory barriers to voting.

Housing: In the U.S. Senate, Obama introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current subprime crisis began.

American Jobs: Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military.

PAYGO: Obama voted in 2005, 2006, and 2007 to reinstate pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) federal budget rules.

Health Insurance: In the U.S. Senate, Obama cosponsored the Healthy Kids Act of 2007 and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) Reauthorization Act of 2007 to ensure that more American children have affordable health care coverage.


Posted by: Rudy lied | September 3, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Shame on Giuliani.

If being a governor is such valuable experience how he can support McCain. Is McCain a governor?

George W. Bush was a governor and his eight years have been a disaster.

Karl Rove warned that Governor Tim Kaine would not make a good VP pick because he had only been a governor for three years and Richmond is only the 105th largest city in the country.

You just can't make this stuff up. Republicans would sell their souls to get elected.

Posted by: Adrasteia | September 3, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

I find it interesting to read all the comments on here. Especially the one where Obama was quoted as being congratulatory to her and calling her an "admirable person." Did everyone miss the first response he had when he found out Palin was McCain's choice? He shot venom darts right from the beginning but composed himself when he found out how popular she was and came out with the "politically correct" statement. So for you liberals who say that republicans are nothing but hate mongerers why don't you look within your own party. Speaking of hate mongerers, the media tried to say that Palin's youngest son was actually her oldest daughter's. They tried until they were surprised with a truth that proved them completely wrong. If that doesn't discredit the far left media then I do not know what else to say.

Posted by: Brooke | September 3, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

On one score, the choice has become very clear. If you want to reward decent, respectful, thoughtful campaigning on the issues, vote Obama. If you want to see more divisive, trash-talking, dishonest, dirty politics, vote McCain. As has long been said, in a democracy, you get the government you deserve. It will be interesting to see what we deserve.

Posted by: Nomo Stew | September 3, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

ya ya ya ya, We have a great FEMALE speaker and intelligent candidate for Vice President who I suspect will be day be one of our greatest Presidents. Why all the ugly comments from you people and also the columnist? Jealous because you have to take the liar men???????

Posted by: Mary Nugget | September 3, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

After that speech I'm not voting Republican at all. When the camera panned Norm Coleman clapping for Palin's comment that McCain is the only man running who served his country, he lost my vote.

Posted by: mn voter | September 3, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Thank God for snapping me out of their spell, they are masters of rhetoric spin. I am not sure what the dems are going to do to punch back but after tonight they definitely have a fight on there hands.

John McCain is no doubt a war hero for our country but that does not mean he is the right choice to direct us into the future. Obama has a community thinking mind not a separatist one. With Biden by his side we have a much better opportunity to re-introduce ourselves to the world as a world leading, progressive, peaceful country.

One last thing; I have more faith in a man who is "present" than a man who is ruled by any party line. We need a young critical thinker to take us forward as Kennedy and even Clinton did. I don't remember suffering any military toughness with these men.

Posted by: Derek | September 3, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm. If you were not pinching yourself while listening to these Republicans, you'd think they were campaigning against another Republican party and that it was the year 2000 and that George Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Abramoff, etc. didn't happen. Perhaps they really really believe that it's all in our heads. Yeah, we are just whining.

Posted by: Emmainbrooklyn | September 3, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is an arrogant, disrespectful nobody.....with no resume....her performance tonight was disgraceful. If she shows up the way she did tonight with world leaders our status in the world will be far worse than it is now. John MCCain is not a bad man. He has been co-opted by the social conservatives and the relegious zealots and she is their standard bearer.

Posted by: BILL | September 3, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Awwwww, somebody got their feelings hurt! I guess the liberals expected Gov. Palin to shrink into the shadows after days of personal and, yes, sexist attacks. Not sexist, you say? Hmmmm, when was the last time someone in the press asked Obama why he would choose to place his career before his family; how he could voluntarily farm his kids out to a family member while both he and his wife hit the campaign trail?

Ah, but it's different with Obama, you say? Yes, it is. The only difference is he is a man. For the liberals, it's acceptable for a man to "abandon" his family in pursuit of his career, but how dare a woman do the same!

And now, now that Gov. Palin has criticized the chosen one, she is portrayed as a nasty and vile woman! But, hey! There's no sexism from the left! It's okay when the Washington insiders poke fun at and criticize a woman from a "small town," but how DARE this woman stand in defiance of the almighty?!?! How dare she proudly stand together with her family, pregnant daughter and all! That 17 year old hussy should have been stowed away in a closet, kept out of sight so not to embarrass the conservative base! What audacity to challenge the all powerful Democratic nominees! I mean, who the heck does she think she is?!?!

One thing is for sure, she's no Hillary Clinton. Which is why she's got my vote.

Posted by: r. james | September 3, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

After perusing these comments, it sounds like there are a lot of nervous liberals out there. Vote to get all those good ol' boys out of the congress regardless of party. We need term limits.

Posted by: lee warren | September 3, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Brooke, no responsible media outlet ever made that disgusting charge. Vile bloggers and anonymous posters did, and a very few outlets reported that fact (and fewer than you might think; try googling it) I hope we can unite to shame the Daily Kos into submission.

Posted by: Nomo Stew | September 3, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

If you have a hard time understanding economics and the effect policies of the past have on the future then vote democrat. You will do so because your brain is incapable of understanding that the one you think will save you will only enslave you. The mortgage crisis was caused to no small degree by Clinton policies. Democrats are the worst policy makers, but Republicans get the blame because the problems arise during their periods of power. Sustained conservative policy will be a healthy america. If you don't believe that then vote democrat and wait 6 years and see what other tragedy occurs.

"On November 12, 1999, President Bill Clinton signed into law the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933. One of the effects of the repeal was to allow commercial and investment banks to consolidate. Some economists have criticized the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act as contributing to the 2007 subprime mortgage financial crisis."

Posted by: peoplearedumb | September 3, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Chris Matthews was grasping for a word to sum up the GOP's night of speechs. Wish I could have helped him out as "snarky" summed it up perfectly.

Great pep rally for the party faithful packed inside the hall, but the organizers seem to forget that millions of undecided voters, folks who are evaluating the speeches with the benefit of an open mind and a knowledge of the facts, would be watching on TV. I was totally turned off by the rudeness and utter disregard of the facts.

And, yes, McCain seems to be overdoing the POW thing. Really.

Posted by: Snarky, Snarky Night | September 3, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Lee, there we agree. Term limits and a balanced budge amendment. Seems to me that's what the Republicans promised in their contract on America back in Newt's time. But then they welched on it. We need both badly.

Posted by: Nomo Stew | September 3, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Bob, to your remark: Reading these responses, the childhood catcall of "dish it out, but can't take it" comes to mind.

Pot, kettle. What is all this whining about sexism? If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. It seems to me that a lot of the people crying foul on SP's behalf right now are the same people who have been trying to make working moms feel guilty and inadequate for oh, say, ALL TIME. And where is the Sarah Palin nutcracker? Y'all can cry about sexism after those have rolled off the line.

Posted by: Heather | September 3, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

SARAH ROCKS!!!

Posted by: Tony V | September 3, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

The Republican party has an excuse for everything. When you ask what they will do to fix the economy, John Mc Cain will remind us that he was a prisoner of war. When you ask what the will do to help the housing market, Sarah Palin will remind us that she is a woman. When all else fails they will remind you that they stand behind our troops because war is a growth industry for them. Did you hear one new idea tonight? Did you hear one new idea tonight? Attack the media. If that doesn’t work, attack the media again.

Posted by: RTV | September 3, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

I really think the Republican party should look into the old Slayer song "support the war" for a theme song.

"Sport the war, war support
The sport is war, total war
When the end is a slaughter
The final swing is not a drill
It's how many people I can kill"

I've never voted.. never will.. This country is a joke.

Posted by: Slayer | September 3, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

MAINSTREAM MEDIA HAS SLID INTO THE SWAMP

The Dems and Reps are left to sell their leaders to America.

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/09/dems-and-republicans-now-sell-what-they.html

Image is now everything. The real challenges have vacated consciousness.

Posted by: PacificGatePost | September 3, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Oh, come ON! She's got an 80% approval rating in ALASKA! One of the reddest states in the nation. A bunch of alcoholic oil rig workers and commercial fishermen. Palin's popularity in the lower 48 will be, I suspect, a lot closer to 30%.

Posted by: Mark F | September 3, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Ruby and republican party has turned into evil party it need's some cleansing time for them to loose this election

Posted by: Harry | September 3, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

I have been to Wasilla have family there..Pallin was a "hockey mom" for a few months..period..very busy lady no time for family and the "mommy role"....

Posted by: Carol | September 3, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

God, I can't wait until all the Vietnam vets die off so we never have to listen to blather about war heros in presidential politics again.

Posted by: Sarah | September 3, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Even if she wasn't ready to flame out from some nasty stuff coming up tomorrow, I thought she sounded like a retard.

If I was negotiating with her, I'd be swirling my hand the whole time. Why is her mouth so slow?

Posted by: K Ackermann | September 3, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

peoplearedumb, problem with your thesis is that Republicans have had far more control of government for the last 27 years than Democrats have had, and the strongest growth came after policies set during the only two years in that entire 27 years when we had Dems in both the Capitol and the White House. Relaxed financial controls are a Republican mantra, and they mostly got what they wanted - with the same result that relaxed financial controls have always brought - a boom and bust.

Posted by: Nomo Stew | September 3, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

I think both Rudy and Sarah hit them out of the park tonight. Judging by the vitrol directed against them, I think the democrats are pretty nervous. Captain Hope & Change just got a few across the bow. "community organizer" indeed...in NY, thats known as Al Sharpton.

Posted by: Comrade E | September 3, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

I was bored with Palin's self-congratulatory speech and appalled at Rudy's temper tantrum. Who needs Reality TV with these two in primetime?

Posted by: concerned | September 3, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

A vote for Obama is a vote for socialism, and socialism is the first step towards communism. Enjoy destroying our country! I am Looking forward to a civil war in this country so we can start over with a new country, where we can get back to real Democracy and Capitalism.

Posted by: SouthYankee | September 3, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

I thought it ironic that the party of family values headlined a man who moved his mistress into the Governor's mansion before he was divorced and almost before the wife moved out; a woman whose 17 year old daughter is pregnant out of wedlock and who was paraded on stage along with the "fiance"; and a man who dumped his wife because she was no longer beautiful after a life threatening traffic accident and who took up with his millionaire mistress while he was still married.

By contrast the Godless liberals headlined a man who has been married to the same woman since 1992 and one who has been married to the same woman since 1977.

Remind me again which party is the party of family values and the moral majority? If it's the Republicans, then I'm glad I'm not one.

Posted by: Wyo Native | September 3, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Ask McCain why he left his first wife, Carol and their kids? Why did he marry Cindy after only one month of being divorced? Family man...BS.

Posted by: Steve | September 3, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

If you want Roe vs. Wade overturned McCain / Palin is your team! EOM

Posted by: JR | September 3, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

"God, I can't wait until all the Vietnam vets die off so we never have to listen to blather about war heros in presidential politics again."

Woah, I'm sure we can get them re-enlisted for the next attack on Russia, Palistine, Afganatstan, Pakastan, or North Koria.

Giuliani will lead the charge.

Posted by: Slayer | September 3, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

What did I learn about Sarah Palin tonight? Um let’s see, she is very sarcastic, condescending, a heck of a speech reader and she has no problem telling half truths with a straight face… Yeah not exactly what I am looking for in a VP. McCain had my vote until he signed on to this bridge to nowhere!!!

Posted by: Samantha | September 3, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Socialism is not communism. Check Wiki...

Posted by: Steve | September 3, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations to the G.O.P. for introducing their Eva Peron and Alessandra Mussolini to the nation as Sarah Palin. This is a natural progression as representative democracy in the United States falls to proto-fascism.

Posted by: Riccardo | September 3, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Big Oil, if you voted for Bush, then you voted for someone who never defended our country

Posted by: are you serious | September 3, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Palin was great, but Rudy was the most effective. Obama hasn't done squat, and is a total joke- that's why they were all laughing. C'mon, he was a community organizer. Is that even a job? Do you get paid? Are there qualifications? Rudy said what needed to be said, and he said it loudly, and we all laughed. And if that hurts the WashPost crowds feelings, then too f'n bad. Obama could have easily won by picking Hillary, but his arrogance would not allow him to. Too late now.

Posted by: maxpower | September 3, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

What are the Repubs going to do when there are no more politicians who have served in the military?

Posted by: PK | September 3, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Giuliani is a republican pawn, just like Palin and the long list before them, yes including GW Bush. Will the real Ben Rand please stand up?

Posted by: jah | September 3, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Those of you that think that Bush is responsible for all the overspending that the US Government is doing had better think again. The Democrat controlled Congress is responsible for passing the budget. The President basically has an up or down vote: he signs it or vetoes it. If Obama is elected, Congress will certainly be emboldened to pass legislation that will basically raise your taxes (because they'll find out they can't balance the spending they'll do otherwise) and we'll see a return to President Carter's policies.

For those of you who wonder about the "unvetted, unknown Governor with no security credentials" being Commander in Chief had better look at Obama very critically. He has no executive experience. He has no military leadership experience. He has no security experience, let alone national security experience. John McCain retired from the US Navy as a Captain. The Military trains it's officers to lead. He has been on the forefront of national security matters for a long time. Sara Palin has been a city Mayor - and all the responsibilities that entails. She's also is the Governor of Alaska and is the Commander in Chief of the Alaska State National Guard. She knows how to make a hard decision. She deals quite often with Canada, Russia, and other Pacific Rim countries. That's experience that Obama doesn't have. He's been a community organizer (he describes himself that way). He was mostly a Constitutional Law Professor who was mostly on leave so he could write an autobiography. He's been an Illinois State Senator that voted "Present" over 100 times. That's not a decision for or against an issue. It's not a decision at all. He's been a US Senator for a very short time and has not accomplished much of anything in office except run for President. Obama attended a church whose leadership has spouted a lot of anti-American stuff... Obama claimed to never have heard that stuff and was seen on video attending some of those sermons.

I'm not a big fan of McCain... my choice dropped out. Considering the choices, I'm not voting for the untested, inexperienced, unaccomplished Junior Senator from Illinois. If the Democratic Party says that Palin isn't ready to lead, Obama isn't ready either, for the same reasons. The "experience" knife cuts both ways...

Posted by: akulahawk | September 3, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Like most of you, I want to hear more about the plans, decisions, ideas, strategies on saving our country, our people, young or old. Not just personal attack! I moved to the U.S. years ago, because I believed this was the best place to raise my children and I has had a pretty good experience so far. However, I often wonder, especially during the election time, that some "politicians" do not seem to as 'civil' as others and Rudy examplified badly this evening. His "unprofessional' mannerism really disgusted me. He really underestimated the voters' intelligence and concerns. I am extremely disappointed and wish the Replican Party choose their future representatives carefully.

Posted by: Concerned Mom in New Mexico | September 3, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Wow! I see scared Democrats!
So this is what it looks like when republicans deliver compelling and witty speeches... The democrats cry foul!
How shameful and how weak and how desperate!
I am neither a Republican nor an American, but even I can give Caesar his due.

Posted by: Evangeline | September 3, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

bush is only social conservative but he runs an economy like a liberal. obama will continue this line, his policies are more like bush, and if you think he is leaving iraq anytime soon you are wrong.

Although George W. Bush likes to compare his presidency to that of Ronald Reagan, it most resembles that of Lyndon Baines Johnson. Some conservatives and liberals alike may be horrified at the comparison, but that is where the facts lead.

Similarly, Bush has tried to fix the broken public school system by increasing federal funding and intervention into what had traditionally been a locally dominated policy area. (Interestingly, LBJ was the first president to overcome decades of congressional resistance to general federal aid for education, thus setting the precedent for Bush’s efforts.) Like LBJ’s “War on Poverty,” Bush’s attempt to cure a systemic problem by simply providing greater federal cash, with strings attached, will probably fail.

Although the U.S. economy performed well during LBJ’s term, his economic policies reverberated far into the future. For example, in the 1960s, LBJ’s profligate spending on unsuccessful Great Society social programs and the Vietnam War helped cause the stagflation of the 1970s. Similarly, although the economy is performing well now, Bush’s big government conservatism will likely have future negative economic effects that are not apparent at the current time.

Again liberal economic policies wreak havoc. far into the future. Bush's policies are most similar to one of the worst liberal presidents ever. If you want more of the same vote Barack, the true change comes with a real conservative with correct policies.

Good luck and vote wisely my friends.

Although Ronald Reagan’s efforts to reduce the size of government were mostly rhetorical, his philosophy was one of small government conservatism. Certainly, the deficits Reagan racked up by cutting taxes more than spending and the percolation of his philosophy into public opinion probably played at least some role in reducing the growth of federal spending during the Clinton presidency

In contrast, both George W. Bush and LBJ ran “guns and butter” presidencies—that is, spending other people’s money was their specialty. Although Bush claims to be a “conservative,” the growth rate of domestic (non-defense) spending under his watch has increased more than under any recent president except LBJ. And that’s no coincidence. Throughout American history, war is the most prominent cause of government expansion at home. The three recent presidents with long wars during their terms—LBJ, Nixon, and George W. Bush—also had higher growth rates for domestic spending than presidents without extended wars during their time in office—for example, Carter, Reagan, and Clinton. In the case of both LBJ and Bush, shoveling money into their respective military adventures eventually “crowded out” their domestic spending sprees and forced at least some financial retrenchment in those programs.

Posted by: peoplearedumb | September 3, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Said it when she was nominated and will say it again:

For the first time since I started voting back in the Reagan era, my decision in the election actually DID depend on the vice presidential nominations.

A big THANK YOU to Mr. Mcain. He has convinced me to vote for Obama.

Posted by: David | September 4, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Oh my god Sarah? Did you really just write that: "God, I can't wait until all the Vietnam vets die off so we never have to listen to blather about war heros in presidential politics again."

You are aware that it's because of those war heros that you have the right to spew your opinions in public. It was their lives that were put on the line so you can enjoy your freedoms.

I think at the very least they should have earned your respect.

Posted by: SouthYankee | September 4, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

The speeches are irrelevant to me. I share views with both parties, but the one thing that puts me over the edge is how close to communis....sorry, I mean "wealth redistribution" that the Obama camp wants.

The best speeches were the prior ones with the Ebay and HP CEO. The top 50% of wage earners in this country pay 97% of the income tax (2006 numbers). With Obama there is no reason to put in those extra hours and strive to succeed because if you dont, the government will pick up your burden.

I went through all public schools and work my ass off for my take home, and there is no government that should tell me how to spend my hard earned money.

A vote for Obama is a vote to bring America closer to communism.

Posted by: CD | September 4, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

after rubbed harshly by bushy bush in 2000, mac this time got a young barby to shake up things... and ruddy to drum up lies against decent personnels in his opposition... and now he lost everything... thime will tell

Posted by: vogol | September 4, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

repubs were off the charts with attacks, lies, and just plain arrogance. thats not what i want leading this country. what a bunch of redneck hillbillies with their cowboy hats.

Posted by: mars | September 4, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

It seems like most people agree they want to put an end to small-minded personal attacks and get on to policy.
So far the GOP has laid out Zero, Nada in the way of actual policy and how they plan to reform. My personal belief is that if it was laid out clearly most people wouldn't like it. So instead we get fear, attacks, nationalism, and partisanship.
The GOP needs to figure something else out.

Posted by: VP Vetter | September 4, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

she laid out the energy policy.. an exact copy of obamas from last week.

Posted by: mars | September 4, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me or did Palin come across as a little more confident, dare I say "manly" than Obama? I think thats the biggest problem that will always plague the dems....aside from LBJ, they've all come across as kinda metro-sexual"ish". I'm sure Barry is a nice guy, but he strikes me more of a camp conseulor type rather than a commander in chief.

Palin, well, she can bring down and field dress a moose...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

I notice you didn't compare her experience to Barack Obama...wonder why.

Posted by: Flip Hambone | September 4, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

If Obama picks Hillary for VP this is all such a moot point. Obama/Clinton would be up by 20 points, and McCain would've had to pick Romney. The GOP base never gets energized, and the Dems win easily in November. Now, it's a coin flip.

Posted by: maxpower | September 4, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Republicans spent most of the whole night, snidely talking about Michelle Obama and Barack Obama. No issues, No Platform, No White House Re-pubic-ans

Posted by: 2pacolypse | September 4, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

My biggest concern about the Republican ticket is that far-right Republicans like Palin generally advocate law for all of America based on personal religious conviction.

I am not a Christian and I don't believe birth control is abortion. In a population-heavy planet with food, energy, housing, and job shortages, birth control is more akin to prudent planning in the face of instinctual animal action. You know what costs less to America than providing housing, health care, and food for a family of three? A pack of condoms.

I'm tired of hearing about Palin as a sports enthusiast. How many moose does one field-strip at a summit of World Leaders? Conversely, how many political policies and histories does one have to know and respect? We're not running a relay race, here, we're opening dialogues with people of different cultures whose countries have diverse religious and sociological backgrounds. Living in the most remote state in the union and working with local oil companies, there, doesn't really match up.

And what has happened to McCain? Even as a liberal I was on this man's side ten years ago. What is he now? This "Maverick" voted with Bush 90% of the time. Ever since he entered the race as the presumptive nominee he has changed he stance on a number of different issues. Who is pulling the strings of this once-great politician?

Regarding the remarks about how Americans don't want Harvard law degrees in their President... America deserves a well-educated leader after eight years of Bush's remedial English. If We the People would rather elect a less educated individual, we get what we deserve.

Drill for some oil (as long as Big Oil is willing to give up the leases on land they don't/can't/won't use). Clean coal can work. But there's still a limited amount of both. We still have plenty of sun, running water, and wind - which global climate change is said to increase. Nuclear power is not clean... we still don't have places to dump the toxic waste-with-a-half-life we already have.

The oil industry - official fuel of the Republican party - has been fighting renewable resource energy for 30 years. What makes anyone think they'll stop if they have a Reppublican in the White House to give them tax breaks? And McCain's 300 million dollar reward for a good solar battery? That's not an energy plan. That's like saying, "you get the money if you go out and find the thing on your own".

An energy plan is an investment. And it WILL take our tax dollars to it. If we, as Americans, aren't willing to pay for our collective goals, we don't deserve to achieve them. We're alreay in deep debt trying to sustain the Iraq war. It's time to give up our bigscreen TV's for a medium screen TV's and put the savings toward actual progress.

Posted by: Triangle Man | September 4, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

I don't watch the Republican convention.
But I watched this one, they are all sick
puppies if you ask me.
I really resent that McCain is just like
Bush, thinks Americans are all stupid.
We aren't safe, oh no the terriorist are
gonna get us, oh I'm so so afraid.
Bush and McBush, they live their lives
in fear. These are what we call
Christians. If Bush is such a Christian
why all he scare tactics on the America
people. Idiots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: s | September 4, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

The top 50% of wage earners pay 97% of all taxes-there's a distorted statistic. Since the median income is in the range of 50,000 dollars, most of those people are IN THE MIDDLE CLASS! HELLO. DID YOU MISS THAT POINT!

In fact, the middle class pays a far larger percentage of the total taxes paid than most corporations do. And while coroporations paid over half the government's collected taxes in the 50's and 60's, they now pay less than 20% of that total under the republican tax plans. The problem here is not with the personal income tax-it is with the complete unwillingness to force corporations to pay their fair share. A process the redumblicans want to continue-because it creates jobs-in India, and Latin America, and Wal-mart.

Simple question-is the average american better off than he or she was four years ago?

Simple answer: No. REAL incomes, adjusted for the (currently warped) CPI are FALLING. Hours are INCREASING. Houses are losing value. Bankruptcies are up. The house of cards built on spending money we don't have (including 10 billion a month in Iraq) is destroying this country.

But god forbid that we should question Palin's qualifications, or McCain's plans, or vote anything but republican-since that's "unamerican", and "anit-israel" (Both people who said those things are, by the way, poster children for IQ tests before permitting people to vote)


Posted by: Unamerican and proud | September 4, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

i don't like Dems or Republicans. McCain with someone better than Palin would have gotten my vote. that is because i don't think Biden was best choice for Obama. McCain lost a chance to outdo Obama. Btw, if you ask Giuliani who is more qualified for VP, himself or Palin, guess who he would pick? God forbid, if something ever happened to McCain, i would be scared if Palin became president.

Posted by: t jones | September 4, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

How many people out there that are in love with Obama/Biden are over the age of 35? It speaks volumes that our younger generations, the ones that have been the most spoiled by life-handouts, and instant gratification, think Obama/Biden is a good idea for America. They have no real gauge on life, their life-barometer is Hollywood and MTV. I don't think you could find 2 sources that are more detached from the real world.

Posted by: SouthYankee | September 4, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

It's easy to balance a state or city budget when 75 percent of your revenue comes from FEDERAL MONEY!

What a bunch of lying hypocrites these Big Government Big Borrowing Republicans are!

Posted by: Will in Seattle | September 4, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Obama is now finished

Posted by: Waydown south | September 4, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Umm-south Yankee-I'm NOT spoiled, I grew up poor, I make less than 50K per year, I am college educated and I am in my middle forties. I also support Obama, because despite his flaws, Palin is completely unqualified to step into the Presidency. Something no one can rationally say about Biden

Can't you do better than moronic stereotyping here? I'm know LOTS of "not young, not under 35 not spoiled, worked our butts off" folk who support Obama-like my 65 year old MOTHER.

Posted by: David | September 4, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Trash meets trash.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

You stay classy, Giuliani. When are they Republicans going to offer something, anything of substance? I have heard nothing all convention.
Someone above put it best - Obama appeals to peoples better nature, and what exactly are the Republicans appealing to? Any of you McCain supporters have anything to offer that does not involve A) Name Calling B) The fear of socialism or C) Attacking (and incorrectly grouping with Obama) the Media?
And not to be crass, but since when does the lower/middle class black guy with a single Mom become elitist in this country? Did going to Harvard on merit become a bad thing when I wasn't looking?

Posted by: ATS in Tucson | September 4, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Ultimately, it comes down to the record of the person on the top of the ticket. Palin gave a good, well-scripted speech, but she's so busy throwing punches she's leaving herself unprotected. When your talking foreign policy with the big boys saying the Iraq War was a gift from God won't cut it. Her own record as a mayor and a governor is nothing to boast about. She left Wasilly millions of dollars in debt when she left and contrary to what she says she actively persued lobbyist money and pork barrel spending.

Posted by: Bill | September 4, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

For all of those saying 'what the heck is a community organizer?', I think you just might find out come Nov 4.

Posted by: Community organizer | September 4, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

David, you're also over 35, and your mother is 65. Of course you're hard working. You're not part of that generation.

I question your love for socialism though. Maybe you like a country the breeds mediocrity and encourages people to half-a$$ their way through life so they can leach off the hardworking Americans such as yourself.

Weren't taxes part of the reason we broke off from England? At some point, the taxes in this country to take care of our sick and poor is going to piss off the rest of us that are working our tails off to take care of ourselves, and our families, and history will repeat itself.

Please vote for Obama so we can hurry up and get to that.

Posted by: SouthYankee | September 4, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

hey SouthYankee, i'm pretty sure that the generation before yours thought you were idiots too. you are the ones who produced the great GW Bush. he is all yours, he did Cocaine, (how much further from reality can you get than that?) your generation let Sept 11 happen, need any more? lay off my generation. i am 33 years old.

Posted by: westyankee | September 4, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone catch the bit where Gulliani stated that John McCain would fix our economy! Was that like a slap in the face for Georgie or what? So how does he plan to fix it? Oh, I now how...There is no place like home,there is no place like home...Auntie M. I had this dream and you were in it and you and you and I'm glad i'm home. No more Good Ole Boy (GOB) politics.

Posted by: newworldorder | September 4, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Not all people from Alaska approve of her. Where they get the high approval rating, I'll never know.

Most of us Alaskans are livid over her giving away the Gas Line to a Canadian firm when there were capable and responsible producers ready, willing and able to hire ALASKANS for the job.

She's ineffective and a liar.
Plain and simple.
From an Alaskan

Posted by: Susan | September 4, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

These are the same people who got us into these messes and now they blame everyone but themselves. Sickening!

They will say anything, do anything, lie about good people, and even destroy a country to hold on to their destructive power and profits.

The speeches will appeal to the 26% who believe the lies spoon fed by Karl Rove and the other dried up old fools who have tried their best to destroy America.

As always their tactics are divisive, libelous, and off-topic. In the coming weeks they will begin to blame any and all media that doesn't tow their line, or dares to investigate their lies, their ideology, political backgrounds or potential criminal indiscretions.

Rest assured, they will be throwing anything at the wall to see what sticks when it comes to the democrats. You'll get tired of the names Ayres, Rezko, and Wright. You'll hear talk of birth certificates, a brother in Africa, lapel pins and things we can't even imagine yet.

Their tactics of fear, uncertainty, and doubt (FUD) are the antithesis of American greatness. Their slogans and rhetoric only appeal to a segment of America, the one that got us into these massive troubles in the first place. These people believe Saddam trained pilots to carry out 9/11. They hear "tax and spend liberal" and don't employ the slightest bit of rational thought to the fact that the problems that many of them are facing, and many more will face in the months and years ahead, are a direct result of policies and malfeasance glorified by this group of ideological zealots.

Posted by: Winston Smith | September 4, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Rudy has it wrong. America needs thousands of community organizers to heal the wounds inflicted by 8 years of misrule. Hopefully Obama will be able to get Americans to stop hating each other and actually help each other - through community service.

Posted by: DWinFC | September 4, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

In case you were wondering, please do not vote for the GOP, and I mean, never. Nast, divisive, no new ideas; lots of fear and hatred. Disgusting, disgusting, disgusting!
Every country deserves thier leaders, let us hope this time we are better than the chimp we have had over the last 8 years.

Posted by: Cohen | September 4, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Methinks Palin is going to send ol Barry riding out of town on the magical hopeyness and changitude unicorn he came riding in on.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

41 and for Obama.

Love the comments/jabs on the Republican military fixation

Palin as president is frightening

So right, they had no platform on direction except attacking the dems character, namely Obama.

Politics is usually/always disgusting but the Republicans take it to a whole new level every time.

Posted by: Derek | September 4, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

While I respect most peoples opinions of who they believe is best to run our great country. Comments like Jr's are the exact reason this country needs change.

"God, I can't wait until all the Vietnam vets die off so we never have to listen to blather about war heros in presidential politics again."

Obama will will not win this election because he honestly brings no experience to the table and promotes the same self serving attitude Jr exhibits.

America needs real change and that doesn't mean electing Obama or Mccain. It means each and every one of us selfish Americans needs to stop serving ourselves and serve the best interest of ALL of our fellow Americans.

Vote for who you want, I'm voting for someone who spent 50+yrs serving everyone but himself and his pitbull of a sidekick who appears to be on the same path.

Obama may be a good choice in 8yrs once he decides to serve someone other than himself.

We either all work to help each other or we all fail.

Posted by: Real Change | September 4, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

To the poster ridiculing young people for supporting Obama, here are some facts about people under 30

-50% have no healthcare (see The Economist)
-Many have a friend in Iraq or Afghanistan
-They will be the first generation to be left a $3 trillion dollar war debt (other wars were actually paid for while being waged through asking people to sacrifice, not shop)
-They are paying into a Social security system they may never see returns from
-Many manufacturing jobs are gone. Only college jobs left, but college is unaffordable for many and many are in serious debt from student loans.

The young people I know have all been doing community service as part of school requirements - and it has affected them. This bunch is more knowledgeable on world affairs and economic issues that I ever was at that age. A lot of them think the world can be a better place.

Instead of knocking the next generation - get to know them, support them, and realize they will be taking care of you someday. That's actually something I'm not worried about - this 'civics' generation as they are sometimes called, are an impressive bunch - much more interesting to me than cyncial, petty people who don't believe we can solve the country's very real problems.

For the record, I'm in my 40s.

Posted by: Some answers | September 4, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Every time I hear a Republican talk about 'change' I figure us Democrats just won another vote.

Posted by: montana sportin' life | September 4, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

If this election year sends this republican team to the White House, then we all get what we deserve, and I don't mean that in a complimentary way. Has anyone been keeping up these last eight years?

Posted by: steve snow, suwanee,ga. | September 4, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Eye off the ball... that's what the Republican's have done for this country the past 8 years. They've been in the back room figuring out how to make their rich selves richer with sole sourced defense contracts to their inner circle and windfall oil profits to all their Texas buds, spy unchecked on those who they consider threats (and I'm not talking terrorists), avoid nearly every opportunity for diplomacy, commit all our military resources to one place for years but not declare war, continue pushing choices to saddle future generations with the results of more drilling and more nuclear plants(!) and continued reliance on oil rather than focusing the past 8 years on putting incentives in place for energy alternatives, not to mention totally and completey wiping off the map the urgent issues of the 2000 election (Social Security and Health Care) because no one has energy or money to think about them anymore. They have ZERO regard for the true future of this country, they only care about their current run of power and who is allowed to marry who. The speeches tonight were stomach churning. Haven't had that sick feeling since watching bullies at work in high school. I think whoever gets the presidency next has an awful job ahead of them because they've been left such a crappy position. I am certainly not about to "stay the course" with McCain. No way. I honestly can't understand how anyone can think the last 8 years have been successful management for the country.

Posted by: think ahead | September 4, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Ever since Gulliani said "When I saw those towers (9,11) falling, I said to my self, Thank God George Bush is president." I and many others stopped caring what Gulliani thinks or says about anything.

Posted by: Vin | September 4, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Obama spoke about trickle-down-economic theory as the foundation of a conservative American "Ownership Society".

"Well it is time for [the Republicans] to OWN THEIR FAILURE!".

What I saw tonight was an attempt to steal the theme of "Change" without taking responsibility for the past 8 years of G.W. Bush and Cheney. Change from what?

"Drill baby, drill"...what a joke.

The party that advocates "enhanced interrogation" is using the tortured experience of a P.O.W. as a character attribute.

I believe that the contradictory content of the speeches only serves to alienate Independent voters and portrays the Republican party as extremist.

Posted by: TwoMoons | September 4, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Remember it was Rudy that decided to house the emergency management center for NYC in the World Trade Centers. Now that's smart decision making.

Posted by: Brutie | September 4, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

I am frustrated by Palin's speech and other speeches from tonight that belittled community activism. Some of history's most accomplished leaders were community activists and organizers: Martin Luther King Jr., Ghandi, Mandela, etc. Community activism and grass-roots efforts fuel more change in this country than most of our elected officials. Shame on you GOP for implying that there is no responsibility in community activism. Social responsibility and community responsibility ARE responsibilities, and incredible important responsibilities at that. And frankly, politicians should be at the forefront of community activism, not mocking it or degrading it for cheap laughs and quasi-witty appeal. Double shame on you GOP.

Posted by: Ryan | September 4, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

hmmm . . . . Did Hillary really mean it when she said she backed Obama? Where has she been lately? I haven't heard hide nor hare of her since she passed on the roll call. Where are all the candidates that ran against Obama? I did not see them on the stage at the dnc. Why is that? I surmise it is because they know he is not fit for the job. If you support socialistic views and socialized medicine you are in a state of delusion. Its simple to do the math, the money will come from somewhere, it doesn't grow one trees. If you tax the rich, it will find its way to the middle class and the poor, one way or the other. socialism=communism; communism will lead us into a world where you can work as hard as you want, but if you have to give away all that you reap in the form of taxes, what’s the point in working hard. Once our work ethic has been stripped, our nation will decline. Communism has been tried and it has failed time and again. anybody that supports that kind of thinking, is either to young to know, has no intention of making something of their life, or is just plain ole anti American.

Posted by: gettyleigh | September 4, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me how it is that they come representing my friends, the Elephants?

Posted by: Derek | September 4, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

i dont know about the elephant thing, but i think it is evident why the dems bear anass as their aegis

Posted by: gettyleigh | September 4, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

52-year-old white female raised in the South, with a graduate degree, solid record of voting for GOP presidential candidate, this year going for Obama.

Months ago I thought it might be hard to pick between Obama and McCain, but it's getting easier and easier every day.

Posted by: G.R.I.T.S. | September 4, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

thanks for the motivation to send another $25 check to Obama. Because, like Obama and Americans across this country, "I am tired of listening to folks who talk tough and act dumb"

Posted by: Jon | September 4, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Two moons is right on. Communism will not ever happen in this country, but unchecked capitalism is dangerous for the weakest in society, the middle class, and the environment.
This is why we have government. To do for us what we can not do ourselves.

Posted by: Vp vetter | September 4, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

McCplynn
I looks she was speaking in Library meeting i didnt get much exitment form the parrot any way she spoke what they feed her.

Posted by: JOJO | September 4, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Both speeches by Rudy and Sarah sounded like mean-sprited gossip. Even if they believed what they were saying, their messages could have been delivered and perhaps heard more responsibly. If they believed what they were saying I pray to God that nothing comes of their attempt to lead this country. Their followers may deserve them, but I don't.

Posted by: Ted | September 4, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Why are the Republican so hateful? They have not address any issues...just attack the Dems. What is their plan to fix the economy?

Posted by: Moni6626 | September 4, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

The new memo posted on Washingtonindependent.com that shows Palin championing a earmark for more than 1 million dollars that McCain decried kind of puts another dent in her armor. She is not a reformer. She's the queen of earmarks. And wow? She failed to mention that the money for the pipeline was originally the money for the bridge to nowhere, which she was happy to support until it got a bad name.

Posted by: rick | September 4, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Republicans mislead us into a war and now Sara Palin is trying to mislead us so she can go to the White House

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

mHmmm.
All this talk leads me to look at the size of the great state of Delaware...oh, about the size of Alaska (population), about 12 times smaller geographically, and millions less in tax income...

Obiden, you should be listening!
This woman is for real... I am no longer fearful for my fellow Americans. We have a chance at a Country to be proud of...again (Not for the FIRST time, Michelle)

Posted by: KAM | September 4, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Palin as Truman - a person people can relate to.

She has executive experience. If you don't like her resume, take a close look at that of the Democratic Presidential candidate. He writes books about himself. I guess that's important if you value narcissism in a President.

Posted by: Alex Webster | September 4, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

How come the Republicans have only fear and personal attacks to offer? Where are there answers to the challenging issues that face our country? Maybe all they have to offer is 4 more years of the last failed 7 years. The Iraq war was the biggest foreign policy blunder ever made and none of the Republicans will even acknowledge this. Oh, that's right. Republicans can't think of any mistakes they have made. Just ask GW Bush.

Posted by: chlind | September 4, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

I found it very difficult to endure Rudy's speech.

I had a hard time believing a robust political party like the Republicans are still spinning the same lines that have lead us to failed policy -- and Rudy to an embarrassing loss.

The increasing distance between the Republican Party and reality is growing daily. I wasn't ready to listen to a Governor of a state with a population less than Memphis, TN, and who received her appointment in order to appeal to the "trailer trash" vote.

Her "troopergate" thing has "worst of Cheney" and "worst of Clintons" written all over it. We don't need four years of that.

No wonder "Judge Judy" can compete with the evening news anymore.

Posted by: colonelpanic | September 4, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Grand slam!! They put all the liberals, and the so called "journalists" in their pocket, right where they belong... on the other end of a smack down. Did America's soul good tonight!!

Posted by: gina | September 4, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Jon, I love that.

I think you should go with; Talk Tough, Dream Dumb

Posted by: Derek | September 4, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

It was weird to have Giuliani of all people excoriating Democrats for questioning whether Palin should be spending more time with her family, as if only a woman would be given such scrutiny.

Okay, just to eliminate any possibility of gender bias, maybe Rudy didn't capture the GOP candidacy this year in part because he didn't spend enough time with HIS family.

Posted by: BlueMoon1 | September 4, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and calling people "trailer trash" is classy? The fact that the trooper tasered an 11 year old doesn't give you pause? All of you fakes on this site are just too small to deal with defeat. Grow up and find your morals, I bet you can.

Posted by: gina | September 4, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

EliPeyton wrote:
rankcon wrote:
Is Sarah Palin RET@RDED, like her kid? I mean jeez. This is the person talking about the "Washington Elite", while she is owned by big oil and Alaska mining interest?
Stay home lady, take care of your ret@arded kid, and your grandkid. You family needs you, America does not need you and can't afford you.
======================================
From the mouth of a true "hope and change" democrat.

Posted by: Julio Churches | September 4, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Republicans are foolish to think we need four more years of their questionable policy making in the executive branch.

Democrats are foolish to think we can make enough laws to make the world a perfect place.

Both parties have serious faults, but for now they're the only two we've realistically got.

This country works best when we swing back and forth between each party like a pendulum. Because it seems if either party is given control of the country long enough the seeds of corruption have time to blossom. Ultimate power ultimately corrupts.

So it would appear it is the Democrat's turn at trying to lead the country. Barack Obama seems like a decent human being and seems to have the potential to bring out the best in us as Americans. I hope the inspirational things he says are not just rhetoric.

Posted by: Gonzo Americana | September 4, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

I judge the positive effect of Sarah Palin's speech by the vile response from the left. Good job Sarah! If nothing else you stirred the pot. I won't mention who's in it.

Posted by: Steve Wallis | September 4, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

"The Rudy Giuliani I covered during my days on the New York Daily News editorial board would have sneered at Palin's experience. The "city" Palin led -- Wasilla -- had an estimated 8,471 people in 2005."

Why do socialist elitists like you constantly deride, mock, belittle and brush aside small town America? Aside from considering everything between the coasts the "flyover states", leftist disdain for anything not a city of millions is, frankly, tiresome.

Posted by: More leftist disdain for middle America | September 4, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

All hail, Julio!

Posted by: Derek | September 4, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Great job Johnathan. I think Giuliani got it right when he mocked Obama's community organiztion experience. We don't need a candidate like Barack Obama whose plans include Socializing Washington if elected. We definitely do not need a socialist leader as commander and chief. No one talks about Obama and his ties to socialism and well known socialist. I was glad Governor Palin took a jab at the media whose lack of real coverage is pathetic. The media seems to be afraid of Senator Obama and what he stands for.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Brooke,

Is it odd that the media uncovered a rumor about a child, and then a child appeared? So the media got the specifics wrong, but they did uncover something the American people needed to know about the next Commander in Chief.

I have read as much as I can on this woman and watched many news reports, but tonight I heard Carla Fiona(sp) on the McCain staff say that the sexism she heard was "The Cheerleader from the West".

I had not heard that until she said it.

I didn't watch Rudy because I am a die hard Ron Paul fan and actually feel like vomitting when I see or hear Rudy, Mitt or McCain.

The Hucksters sounded better than any of the 3 stooges.

Now if Mike Gravel had picked Palin, now that'd be a ticket.

Instead I am stuck with Obama. Ron Paul was going to bring all the troops home world wide and shut down the IRS.

But there's oil in them there hills, and weesa gonna burn it if it chokes our chickens...

Posted by: Earl E | September 4, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse


It's over for the dems.

Posted by: julie | September 4, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

McCain has chosen wisely and Obama has fallen head long into his trap; as it’s obvious that when you compare him to Governor Palin. As for the desperate whine that she’s got more executive experience than McCain, so what he’s still got more experience than Obuma. Its an argument you can’t win; next time don’t choose a light weight.

Posted by: paul | September 4, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Sarah Palin, for re-energizing conservatism. I haven't seen this much excitement since Ronald Reagan. No wonder the left is scared. They see their chance at the White House slipping away as Obama's obvious lack of experience is something that can no longer be overlooked or denied. I think they're sorry they didn't pick Hillary.

Posted by: Jill | September 4, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

Rudy still wants to run in 2012, if he said anything at all resembling the truth his chances of getting the nomination in this modern republican party would be nil.

No one will remember Rudy after this convention. He knows that. Not until the next cycle will we hear his noun, verb, and 911 once again. And it will all be "fresh", the way the republicans always are.

Posted by: poorrudy | September 4, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

Listen to the repubes here in this thread, can you get over that!

All they have to do is keep saying it's over for the democrats, and, like, it will be over!

HahhhhahahhH!HHH!H!!!AAAAHHHHAHAH!

If anybody on the planet is as pathetic as you people right now, I hope there's a government charity to fee them too.

Posted by: harly | September 4, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

I live in what a lot of people think of as "small town America" - Anchorage, with about 300,000 people. Palin's Wasilla had, when she was mayor, maybe 7500, WE sneer at small town Alaska. The city council there hired the equivalent of a city manager because she wasn't up to the job - or couldn't be bothered.

Anybody would be popular in Alaska as governor so long as (1)the name wasn't Frank Murkowski, (2) you pretended not to get along with the big oil companies, and (3) orchestrated a giveaway - cash in the bank - of $1200 per person this year. Invest in infrastructure - not our Sarah - just give it away

Posted by: James Johnston | September 4, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

If Dems have a plan to fix the economy, infrastructure, energy, education or Islamic terrorism, why did they put up a Commie?

I had tears in my eyes the whole speech.

If she likes Mc Cain so much, then who am I to question her ?

I'm nuts about her.
I'm nuts about the ticket.

BEWARE OF SMALL TOWN AMERICA...IT'S THEIR TURN NOW

Posted by: rtfanning | September 4, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

She does have more experience than Obama, even as a Democrat I have to admit that.

Of course we nominated the wrong person. That's what we do.

Posted by: Chicago1 | September 4, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

When will the majority of voting Americans reject this kind of bullying, demagoguery (sp?) and nasty devisiveness? How long will we continue to tolerate insulting righteous inuendo from hypocritical right wing politicians who use no so veiled words of hatred and contempt for people who do not share their political views and who are citizens with equal rights entitled to respect. The American people, regardless of whether they are on the left or right, need to rise up unite and reject this attitude and behavior. It is not acceptable in our public discourse.... And, let's hear Pastor Rick Warren who professes to be a good Christian speak out against Guiliani betrayal of the bible -- love thy neighbor...oh, I guess that only applies to neighbors who agree with right wing demagogues like Guiliani (and McCain)!

Enough!

Posted by: bruce of seattle | September 4, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

"God, I can't wait until all the Vietnam vets die off so we never have to listen to blather about war heros in presidential politics again. -- Sarah"

You are a sick person.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse

Greetings... here we are on the verge of becoming a 3th world country, an economy in criss, lost jobs, homes foreclosed on,
45 million american with no health coverge.
more tax cuts for the rich, and yet macain
and his party have yet to produce any plans
getting us out of a whole that bush and cheney put ua in it.
Mcain, Palin and the republicans should be ashamed of themselves... to all those who want a change, please vote for obama

thank you

Posted by: Tif Bennouna | September 4, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Did I hear Rudy correctly? Islamist terrorist? How about Christian terrorist (read Irish/N Ireland conflict), Hindu terrorist (read split between India and Pakistan and continuing boarder conflict), Jewish terrorist (read creation of the state of Isreal) Do these terms adequately describe the people and what was happening at the time?

Rudy is little but a fear monger and name caller. We need to condemn the purpretators of terrorism and not paint an entire religion, ethnic group or regional population with the taint of a radical component. If you want to do that, a few minutes looking at Rudy's ancestors will probably find a enough ruthless killers in the closet of time that we can associate him with.

Posted by: al | September 4, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

Ah, Rudy. I really wanted to vote for you in the primaries, I really did.
Then I saw you come out, you were just another republican. There's nothing special about.

Then I turned to McCain, at least he's not a religious fanatic or an ideologue ... he's not phony. I said he's NOT PHONY!

sigh. I really tried guys, I really did.

Posted by: asdf | September 4, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

SHE WILL BE ON THE TOP OF THE TICKET IN 2012 or 2016!

AND IF PRESIDENT MCCAIN SHOULD EXPIRE IN OFFICE, SHE WILL MAKE A GREAT PRESIDENT IN HIS PLACE!!!

Posted by: Kris in AL | September 4, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

Hey folks, lighten up on Rudy. The GOP is a shamble, disorganized, "divided and philosophically exhausted party".(David Brooks)

Republicans needed a lift so the brought a buffoon clown in from New York. The only thing missing was the dress and wig.

New Yorker's are embarrassed.

Posted by: JAC | September 4, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

Did any body hear what the Republicans will do about Iraq war, health care, housing meltdown, bank failures, $4-a gallon gas, falling dollar, high inflation, loss of jobs every month etc.? Does any one really think a story of a prison cell and a pretty face are enough to solve our problems? A Political Party that refuses to talk about national problems is a national problem.

Posted by: Hira Biswas | September 4, 2008 1:58 AM | Report abuse

When Obama proposes a windfall profits tax on oil companies, and to rebate the proceeds back to taxpayers, it's a reckless plan that "takes water from one side of the bucket and pours it into the other." When Palin does it in Alaska, it's "tax reform."

Regardless of which side of this issue you're on, the bucket analogy, or the tax reform analogy, the Republicans clearly have a double standard here. Obama can't be "wrong" for proposing the identical idea that Palin was "right" on.

Posted by: aBigSAM | September 4, 2008 2:04 AM | Report abuse

What an amazing night. The GOP is back! McCain and Palin will finally deliver the type of leadership we need.

Posted by: Fred | September 4, 2008 2:06 AM | Report abuse

Giuliani played the race card tonight, saying to Obama sorry if Palin's town is not "cosmopolitan enough for you (obama).

Giulinai offended Muslims when he mocked Obama for avoiding saying "Islamic Terrorists" rather saying "terrrorists". Obama shows diplomacy and respect in this matter.

both Giuliani and Palin insulted all community leaders and activists when they scuffed at Obama's grass roots political beginings.

What is the republican argument with regard to executive experience? that any govenor trumps any senator despite length of service or other attributes?

Doesn't the fact that 18 million people chose Obama qualify him more than Palin who was given VP on a silver platter by one man?

Posted by: nigel | September 4, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

The comment above saying these snide, non-factual, non-intellectual, one-liner speeches did "America's soul good" was sickening. And I hope that it awakens us all to action. I keep contrasting this "snarky banter" we saw tonight with the heated debates by founding fathers (watch the John Adams DVD) about real issues that they cared passionately about and I feel disheartened.

The speeches tonight were disrespectful to all, cynical, deceitful, provincial, and illustrated the worst side of politics. Foreign leaders must be baffled at the depth of naivety displayed here (not to mention lack of respect for the listening audience's critical thinking ability). I know there is a segment of the population out there that will vote for the best one-liners and one-ups-manship, and that comment illustrates this type of thinking.

We need to all immediately go and donate to the efforts of Obama. I can only hope that this speech clearly showed such poor judgement that even the anti-intellectuals and ultra-conservatives will recognize they do not want this type of leadership for our Country.

WITHOUT A DOUBT, Obama stand alone tonight with his statesman-like demeanor and his thoughtful, substantive knowledge. And his courage to present issues with nuance to an country he respects.

Posted by: cheryl | September 4, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

Our Country is EXTREMELY wealthy - the problem is a bloated government who refuses to balance a budget. We could have it all IF we hold our congress and president accountable. We WASTE billions upon billions of dollars - we need a government overhaul from top to bottom. We could have national health care, great schools, rebuilt infrastructure - we could have it ALL IF we had a real management team. We can put people to work here in the USA at top paying jobs, the list goes on. But who is up to saying NO to lobbyists and only doing what is right for America as a whole?
We have a lot of problems but absolutely nothing that could not be fixed if only we had great leaders who would work in unison to uphold their oaths of office. Now there is a miracle God would believe in-NOT eternal war.

Posted by: virginia mcmahon | September 4, 2008 2:23 AM | Report abuse

Obviously Giuliani will do ANYTHING to get McCain elected. He needs access to the next administration. Lobbying is his livelihood.

Posted by: phil | September 4, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

I don't know about you ,but I can't vote for someone whose only business experience is selling a government plane on ebay.

Posted by: Ron | September 4, 2008 2:31 AM | Report abuse

I must say I am quite disappointed with remarks I heard tonight. Mainly Guliani and Palin. Any hopes for getting the parties to work together to change this country is almost over. I want the gloves to come off, I am ready for the debates!!!

It seems the RNC strategy was to drive fear in hearts of their people with talks of terrorism and cultural/religious wars they have yet to engage in. And the whole concept of blind patriotism is scary. I love my country as much as the next, but to act as if we are without flaw is ludacris. The funny thing is I have actually lived overseas in countries where they don't have some of our rights. I grew up most of my life as a diplomats kid, and in my own right an ambassador for my country. Thank God I never had to defend Bush/McCain policies or any of this rhetoric I witnessed tonight.

By the way RNC, McCain is not the only one to risk his life for country, Barack Obama risks his life everyday by running to become the first black president. And his enemies are his fellow Americans!!! Not even Colin Powell was brave enough to do that and he is a 4-star general!! (I actually respect him though)

It seems that extreme conservatives believe the only way to keep america safe is to impose their will worldwide and kill everyone who has different values than them.

Has anyone not realized that it was this same mentality that caused us to get attacked in the first place.

What I also find amazing is how McCain can embrace the same people that during his run against George Bush - said his adopted Bangladeshi daughter was a unwanted black child from a prostitute. I bet some of the same people are working his campaign. They never seem to show her as if they are ashamed. As 1 adopted child to another - I feel for her. Even the way they discribe bringing her home like she is a pet is SAD!!

I encourage everyone to vote from their heart, I just recognize the importance of intelligence and level minded actions!! All responses are welcome positive or negative I love discussions/debates!!!

Posted by: geeksquad guy | September 4, 2008 2:33 AM | Report abuse

What's happened to our country's Republican party? It's become unrecognizable the one I remember.

As someone who genuinely tries to respect and understand the points-of-view, from both sides of the aisle, I cannot remember a Republican National Convention more divisive, more demoralizing, more vile and condescending than this one.

But what put it over the top were the speeches delivered by Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin.

Such hatred. After their speeches, not only did I not feel inspired: I felt dejected, horrified. Like the wind was knocked out of me.

For the first time in my life, I've given money to a Democratic political campaign: $100 to Obama's campaign.

This neo-con madness has got to stop: it's killing the GOP.

Posted by: Dimitri | September 4, 2008 2:43 AM | Report abuse

It was great to see someone telling America what a sham this whole Obama campaign is. It is time to wake up, this is America, not Europe. This election is a lot closer than the Obama loving media cares to admit.

Posted by: Jim | September 4, 2008 2:47 AM | Report abuse

Dimitri, you better hold on to your hundred dollars in case Obama wins, because need it to pay your higher taxes.

Posted by: Steve | September 4, 2008 2:49 AM | Report abuse

just a thought to all those who refer to Democrats as 'socialists':
do you really know what a socialist is?

socialism: a political system in which the government owns the means of production.

i have NEVER heard of a Democrat proposing this, not even FDR. know what you're talking about BEFORE you enter debate.

Posted by: medvedoso | September 4, 2008 2:52 AM | Report abuse

Obama's legislative achievements: those that actually passed a floor vote. I'm especially impressed by the "national summer learning day" effort.

Jun 26, 2007 S.Con.Res. 25: A concurrent resolution condemning the recent violent actions of the Government of Zimbabwe against peaceful opposition party activists and members of civil society.

Jun 24, 2008 S.Res. 600: A resolution commemorating the 44th anniversary of the deaths of civil rights workers Andrew Goodman, James Chaney, and Michael Schwerner in Philadelphia, Mississippi, while working in the name of American democracy to register voters and secure civil rights during the summer of 1964, which has become known as "Freedom Summer".

Jul 13, 2007 S.Res. 268: A resolution designating July 12, 2007, as "National Summer Learning Day".

Mar 28, 2007 S.Res. 133: A resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson.


Posted by: drill baby drill | September 4, 2008 2:54 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for your cynical comment, Steve. I was surprised to read it, but I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.

Take care.
Dimitri

Posted by: Dimitri | September 4, 2008 2:59 AM | Report abuse

I hate to say it, but since they keep talking about MCCains captivity - don't we have to factor in - that because of this captivity John McCain attempted to commit suicide twice. Also if I am not mistaken Skin cancer is quite serious and aggressive and he has had 3 fights with it, so vetting Palin is more than valid and quite important.

As a second issue, there is nothing wrong with a woman VP or president I atually think it would bring something unique to this country. With that said, I wouldn't get a new job with a 3 month old child with Down Syndrome. Let alone the second most important job in the world. That child deserves all my attention. After a couple of years sure go for it. Every expert I have always talked to has said that a mother is the most important thing in those first couple of months.

Posted by: anonymous | September 4, 2008 3:00 AM | Report abuse

Having served my country for 6 years I must say the chants of "USA,USA" coming from such self important self righteous zealots reminded me more of "Zieg hi-ell, Zeig hi-ell" and sickened me to the core. These people believe in nothing and no one but themselves. The Republican party has become a disease that has poisoned and is slowly killing this nation, of course that would seem to be their objective. Never ending war, a police state and aristocracy.
Maybe someone should remind them that under current US law John McCain was not tortured, and in fact could have been tried and convicted of crimes and put to death. IDIOTS!
There are 250 million Americans who have not prospered whatsoever from Republican rule and want to see America succeed just as badly. It is as if their talking points are not the same we have heard for 20 years. So what did they do with their six years of legislative and executive control of our government. Besides steal two presidential elections? Oh yeah, they gutted our constitution, politicized our government, went from a budget surplus to the largest deficits in history, gave the richest people in our society the largest tax break in history, doubled the national debt, allowed their corporate interests free reign while they subjugated average Americans(Fascism), they have spent trillions in tax payer dollars(While saying they should not have to pay any) lining the pockets of war profiteers, deregulated markets so Enron could steal 5 billion and big oil could steal 500 billion, and now are bailing out their friends, themselves and Wall Street.

What a joke! Vote McCain/Palin The Democrats do not deserve to reap the poison that these wasteful wanton tyrants have sown.

Posted by: average joe | September 4, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

I agree. Put her to the top of the ticket. Let's let the debates begin. She says she has the talent. Lets let her prove it. And lets not let Mc Cain run from his record.

Posted by: Robert Cannon | September 4, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

I only wish I could write as well as some of you here. As I cannot, I offer two quotes from history:

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. -Mark Twain


Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. - Hermann FREAKING Goering

Does the theme of that second one sound familiar? It should. Check every single speech from the 2004 GOP convention (and every time Rudy opened his tiny shark gill of a mouth mouth since the day he became glad Bush was our president). Wrap yourself in that flag and monger that fear, GOP. And while you're at it, try letting an A student run the shop for a few years.

Posted by: HereWeGoAgain | September 4, 2008 3:12 AM | Report abuse

Methinks Palin is going to send ol Barry riding out of town on the magical hopeyness and changitude unicorn he came riding in on.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 12:32 AM
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It is a DAMN shame that you are really relying on Sarah Palin after one speech to take on Obama. Shouldn't that be John McCain's job? I do not recall anyone saying that Biden was going to make McCain look like the moron that he is.

What does that say about the top of your ticket?

Posted by: Just another reader | September 4, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse

The writer makes a good point--if executive experience is the standard, then McCain should be disqualified, too, since he has none either.

Seems to me accomplishments are more relevant, and Obama's stand and timely visit to Iraq is the reason a timeline emerged for US troop withdrawal from Iraq, a far greater accomplishment than Guliani, McCain, or Palin has ever achieved.

Posted by: stan | September 4, 2008 4:05 AM | Report abuse

I have a strong feeling that the people complaining on this board about how 'Hillary was mistreated' by Obama are paid republican political operatives trying their standard swift-boat tactics spreading lies to divide the opposition and generate momentum for their pathetic ticket. McCain didn't even have the courage to stand up to the religious right in his own party, and this preposterous fake 'hockey mom' who believes her daughter's pregnancy is a private family matter (except for campaign photo ops) but that everyone else's pregnancies should be a matter for government legislation. Totally disgusting GOP behavior - they richly deserve the butt kicking that's coming their way.

Posted by: Tom | September 4, 2008 4:08 AM | Report abuse

If you have a hard time understanding economics and the effect policies of the past have on the future then vote democrat. You will do so because your brain is incapable of understanding that the one you think will save you will only enslave you. The mortgage crisis was caused to no small degree by Clinton policies. Democrats are the worst policy makers, but Republicans get the blame because the problems arise during their periods of power. Sustained conservative policy will be a healthy america. If you don't believe that then vote democrat and wait 6 years and see what other tragedy occurs.

"On November 12, 1999, President Bill Clinton signed into law the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933. One of the effects of the repeal was to allow commercial and investment banks to consolidate. Some economists have criticized the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act as contributing to the 2007 subprime mortgage financial crisis."


Posted by: peoplearedumb | September 3, 2008 11:43 PM

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See, this is the kind of stuff a lying republican would write because they think us democrats are stupid. If anyone has a hard time understanding economics it's you. The housing crises was caused by Phil Gramm alright, and he was a republican. And Gramm was McCain's economic advisor until he called Americans a bunch of whiners that are in a mental recession. He slipped in that 262 page amendment to an omnibus appropriations bill moving toward passage as Congress was moving toward Christmas recess. Written by Wall Street investment-bank lawyers, the "Commodity Futures Modernization Act" had no hearing before any committee and was unread by almost every member of Congress. It mandated sweeping deregulation of investment banks, declaring off-limits to regulators most over the counter derivatives, credit derivatives, credit defaults, and swaps. In 2000 those terms were known only to a small circle of investment bankers and brokers who created and traded the complex financial instruments they describe. They are familiar today because the unregulated trading of them had a great deal to do with the near-death experience of the Bear Stearns investment bank, which was only avoided when the Federal Reserve provided JPMorgan Chase with $30 billion in backing to acquire Bear Stearns and avoid the international financial disaster that would have followed the bankruptcy of a large investment bank. Phil gramm is also the sweetheart that took down Enron. Talk about a corporate criminal. The Gramm, Leach, Bliley Act regulates the sharing of personal information about individuals who obtain financial products or services from financial institutions. So, another republican bites the dust.

Posted by: HemiHead | September 4, 2008 4:17 AM | Report abuse

Of the hundreds of posts to this editorial you will find many who are clearly entrenched in their ideology, one way or the other.

Some did not need to see or hear anything in the speeches at the RNC to affirm their decision to support Republican ideals, they had them at "Good evening". And they really don't care who is put forward to represent those ideals, because they've decided "all democrats are idiots, and are intent on bringing ruin to our country." It's a ludicrous notion that any American would want that. But this is the kind of thinking they've bought into. They cling to it like a life raft. They are not open to evaluating how they came to this belief, they are simply following the course they set for themselves oh so many years ago. It becomes easy when over the top whack-job liberals reinforce this for them regularly.

Conservatives who saw what they wanted to see tonight came away clutching to their belief that the Republican party has the answers. Frontal assaults to this belief will not do anything to dissuade them. ARGUING WITH THEM AND INSULTING THEM IS POINTLESS, fun yes, but pointless. All you do is further entrench them. That is an instinctual (read - not intellectual) response to having your beliefs challenged. AND IT APPLIES TO EVERYONE, right or left.

Nothing short of McCain/Palin coming out and saying "Ya know what, we really like what Obama is saying. That's what this country needs right now, so let's just drop all this partisan bull$#!% and work together on fixing this country." would make them turn their backs on the Republican party.

Millions of Americans have been moping around for the last 7 years, depressed and shocked at where our political system has landed us. Many of us could not believe that the rest of us would intentionally elect a man of GW's qualities to the presidential office. Dismal approval ratings would indicate many are now experiencing "buyers remorse". (This is not the time to tell them "I told you so!")

To those conservatives who've found cause to sincerely re-evaluate their long standing party affiliations you have my utmost respect and admiration.

To the entrenched on either side, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM in this country, in the world. A lack of willingness to understand the reasons other people have come to hold opposing viewpoints is like cancer in our society.

If you are a liberal, it may be painful, but you need to ask a conservative "why?" (and not like a 3 year old does) with sincere interest until you get to the root of what experiences and influences in their life led them to believe in "Republican ideals".

And if you're a conservative, stop assuming people who are more liberal in their ideologies are just idiots. Stop assuming you've got it all figured out. Tomorrow is a new day, who knows what will happen, you may need a "liberals" help.

Apart we are capable of accomplishing a lot, together our differences have the opportunity to become our strengths, together we would be unstoppable.

Gonzo for President in 2020!

Posted by: Gonzo Americana | September 4, 2008 4:24 AM | Report abuse

I loved the line about how Biden should get that VP nod in writing. Classic Rudy. He's really the best.

I would think that by signing a marriage certificate, you'd be saying in writing that you aren't going to cheat on you wife. Oh I guess that doesn't apply Rudy.

Way to make fun of a guy who could have done anything he wanted coming out of Harvard, but chose to organize a community. Cause that's so lame...helping people who don't have much. To help them make something better of their lives...you were right to laugh about it Rudy. What was he thinking?

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 4:38 AM | Report abuse

Your snide stupidities apart Jonathan thanks for having the honesty to admit that Palin does have more executive experience than Hussein bin Biden.
According to Hussein his claim to fame is his campaign and his summer vacation. Oh and he was a crack head "community organizer"!
But then, according to Joe Biden, Hussein is not qualified to be President.
Of course Hussein says Biden is not qualified to be President because he voted for the war. What a downer for the hippies!

As to Palin being top of the ticket, no, we'll leave it to the DemoFrauds to put their Never Done Nothing Empty Suited Surrender Monkey at the top of their ticket.
Who else but the DemoFrauds would try to turn the Oval Office into just another Affirmative Action job?

Posted by: JamesT | September 4, 2008 4:39 AM | Report abuse

the only thing I've learned is that McCain can't raise his arms above his head, so he should be the President

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 4:41 AM | Report abuse

Since teenage pregnancy is an issue in this country, I'd like to know Palin's second most effective method for dealing with it, cause her first method doesn't work too well.

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 4:44 AM | Report abuse

A final note on what this is all about. Rudy. He should be ashamed of himself. He seems to forget that when talking about Obama not running anything, that McCain has never run anything either.

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 4:54 AM | Report abuse

No, Rudy should be ashamed of mocking public service of any kind. And those in attendance should be ashamed for laughing about public service of any kind. It was truly sickening. And telling.

Posted by: HereWeGoAgain | September 4, 2008 5:10 AM | Report abuse

I think the author meant to say that lying republicans [write this stuff] because they thing WE democrats are stupid. Nobody thinks that, as far as you know.

While it is true the GLBA did empower consumers with the ability to "opt-out" of information sharing among commonly-owned financial institutions, to suggest this as its primary function is pure folly. GLBA was written to repeal depression era regulations prohibiting concurrent ownership of banking and insurance companies, and to allow 1990's mergers such as citibank/travelers, smith barney/primerica to consummate. GLBA essentially superceded provisions of Glass-Stengal, and the Bank Holding Company Act of 1956 prohibiting such activity.

I was heretofore unaware that this legislation had been written by Wall Street lawyers, and am alarmed to learn that it passed both houses of Congress despite not having been read. Did the president read it before passing it into law?

I am further unclear as to which financial instruments were treated differently as a result of this legislation. Credit default obligations, credit default swaps, collaterized mortgage obligations, interest rate swaps and forward agreements are private transactions, and are not instruments traded on any public exchange. The contracting parties presumably know what they're doing, and as such, these transactions do not fall under SEC purview.

Futures, options, and options on futures are publicly traded derivatives, and their treatment vis a vis regulatory authorities were not impacted by GLBA.

If Phil Gramm took down Enron, it seems inappropriate that he be remembered as an Enron sweetheart.

Posted by: please pass the koolaid | September 4, 2008 5:11 AM | Report abuse

Rudy changed New York City for the better. People who remember how it was in 1990, still marvel at the improvement.
Sarah changed Wassilla, and then the State of Alaska, and both for the better.
Obama has never changed anything. Chicago is still just like he found it. Chicago needs a Rudy, to help it out. Obam made no changes to the State of Illinois, by his presence, and has now been a US Senator, just about as long as Ms. Palin has been Governor. She is giving us that $40 billion oil pipeline to the lower 48 States.
What has Obama ever given us?

Posted by: Sternberg | September 4, 2008 5:23 AM | Report abuse

Margaret Thatcher of modern day=Palin.
obama is gone.

Posted by: marc | September 4, 2008 5:26 AM | Report abuse

"and has now been a US Senator, just about as long as Ms. Palin has been Governor" 2004 for Obama, 2006 for Palin.

I loved how she talked about the natural gas pipeline, then talked about oil. Two different things.

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 5:50 AM | Report abuse

Well put "HereWeGoAgain"

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 5:51 AM | Report abuse

2004 and 2006 are different years...get your facts right

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 5:53 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA-SEQUINED-CHAMELEON’S KISS

-~America is great~-
-~We can change it~-
www.barackobama.comeleon

By selecting Joe Biden, Obama implicitly acknowledges that, in fact, the “Hopeful Barack Obama” (himself with his background Family - as Family always dwells in intimate limits of the Imago of every individual -) is singularly deprived of the complex, full capacity, and capability of leading the USA (and I would add, far more than Governor Palin who, at least, has an experience of governing, while Obama has only experiences of complacent rhetorics.)

And yet, the President is THE President of the USA, and the vice-president is only a vice-president…
(This prospective of Obama Presidency male dominance was amusingly highlighted by the macho kiss of Obama on Biden’s wife’s mouth, in front of a “surprised” Biden, and an “electrified” or mesmerized folkloric crowd. By the way, Biden did not even “think” of kissing Obama’s wife on her mouth : Hierarchy commands Hierarchy !)

More seriously, Obama, despite his undulating phraseology, has finally revealed himself totally ignorant of IDEOLOGY WAR.
Obama could send as many soldiers to be killed, and spend as many billions of dollars, in Afghanistan instead of Iraq (what an innovative revolution ! ) : that would not change one iota, on the long term, in the War against Islam Terrorism.

The real and only target on the long term is the Madrasas, Islamic Schools & Centres, etc. who teach tirelessly the murderous hatred of all non-Muslims : (Jews, Christians, Hindouists, Buddhists, Shintoists, Animists, Shamanists, Marxists, etc.)

A perfect example of this IDEOLOGY WAR is given, TODAY on an impressive scale, by the Genocide of Darfour :
And who rushed first to the aid of the President of Sudan (and his acolytes who masterminded this Genocide) ???
- An angry Assembly of Arab Ministers ! (although the Moslem Population of Sudan are not Arabs but Africans enslaved and converted by force to Islam in the 9th century…)

And, here again, Obama (by himself and with his background family) appears completely disarmed, glued and vulnerable in the interlocked Fundamentals of the Islam Terrorism Ideology.
At least, John Mc Cain offers an efficient guaranty of the valuable experience of collective discipline, which is one of the minimum conditions of waging war against any Terrorism.

Should, one predictable day, the Pakistani (or Iranian) atomic Weapon fall in the hands of Al-Qaida, Talibans, and other similar Syndicates, their automated brains, fully loaded with petrodollars but rather humiliated, thirsting for revenge, and wanting to set to Occident a spectacular and unforgettable example of MUHAMMADAN JIHAD , would not hesitate, one minute, to use the Atomic Weapon, to wipe off Israel, to set ablaze the Middle East Oil reserves (of the “civilized World”) and to strike the powerful USA…
And then, the 11-9 surprise of the twin towers of New-York would be nothing compared to the Hell Disaster to come.

On the necessary way of waging War efficiently, on the long term, against Islamic Terrorism, without endlessly sacrificing soldiers and wasting billions of Dollars :
SEE : http://jerusalem-4thtemple-natan.blogspot.com
Post : “ROBOMARTYRS”

P.S. Quizz : (-the first who finds the right answer wins 1 US Dollar paid by Natan-) :
Why the running-Mate of Barack Obama is not Hillary Clinton ?

Posted by: Natan | September 4, 2008 6:10 AM | Report abuse

Your snide stupidities apart Jonathan thanks for having the honesty to admit that Palin does have more executive experience than Hussein bin Biden.
According to Hussein his claim to fame is his campaign and his summer vacation. Oh and he was a crack head "community organizer"!
But then, according to Joe Biden, Hussein is not qualified to be President.
Of course Hussein says Biden is not qualified to be President because he voted for the war. What a downer for the hippies!

As to Palin being top of the ticket, no, we'll leave it to the DemoFrauds to put their Never Done Nothing Empty Suited Surrender Monkey at the top of their ticket.
Who else but the DemoFrauds would try to turn the Oval Office into just another Affirmative Action job?
Posted by: JamesT | September 4, 2008 4:39 AM

JamesT tell me what you believe in and stand for, so I know how to isolate all you biggots, and have you put on your own island that you can be proud of. Because obviously minorities are apart of the USA, and you are not happy with that!! you brought us here! Your racial undertones aren't missed, just not wanted or appreciated.

Posted by: Geeksquad Guy | September 4, 2008 6:11 AM | Report abuse

I am a democrat but I thought Obama was deserving of the trashing he got. His ego is too big to accommodate a woman on the ticket. It is all about him. What on God's Earth did he accomplish other than helping out as a community organizer. If that qualifies to run for president, there are plenty that are qualified. Getting a law degree from Harvard doesn't qualify you. He was more interested in making money out of the experience at Harvard law review (read his professor's quote) penning a book oh HIMSELF. Any law he passed? Any scholarly article he wrote? If democrats loose this election, he will have no one but himself to blame.

Posted by: Shobha | September 4, 2008 6:20 AM | Report abuse

definitely a new low by the Rep party - the whole RNC w/o substance......

Posted by: gc | September 4, 2008 6:26 AM | Report abuse

Jonathan Capehart has had a personal vendetta against Guiliani for years. In 2007 he wrote an article about Rudy that claimed Rudy could not lead (what?) and could not get along with people (maybe). His supporting, conclusive arguments: 1) Rudy married his second cousin. 2) Rudy called one of Jonathan's articles "intellectually dishonest".

A community activist is a very noble achievement; it just does not add much to the resume of a President. That was Rudy's point. McCain has been doing activist work with his constituents for many years as just a small part of the work of managing a U.S. Senate office.

I would also add that South Chicago schools are a disaster and Obama and other activists of various stripes are living in million dollar plus homes.

Posted by: RTGreenwood | September 4, 2008 6:55 AM | Report abuse

EAT YOUR HEART OUT LIBERALS. THERE IS A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN
....AND SHE'S A LADY.

Posted by: sonnysideup34 | September 4, 2008 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Kalnins bristled at the treatment President Bush was receiving over the federal government's handling of Hurricane Katrina. "I hate criticisms towards the President," he said, "because it's like criticisms towards the pastor -- it's almost like, it's not going to get you anywhere, you know, except for hell. That's what it'll get you." Why isn't the media exposing Palin's minister the same way that Reverend Wright was treated? It is also interesting to note that the video of Palin speaking at the church made in June 2008 by wasillaag.net is no longer accessible. In that video she wants us to pray that the war in Iraq is a plan of God's. Where is the media on this?

Posted by: Carol Ring | September 4, 2008 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Biden:

Pros: Foreign policy experience?
Cons: Difficulty telling the truth

Summary of foreign policy positions

Opposed 1991 ouster of Saddam Hussein from Kuwait.

Supported 2003 Iraq invasion.

Opposed 2007 Iraq troop surge.

ergo, Biden's foreign policy views are best described as passive/aggressive, meally-mouthed, populist, apologetic, jibber-jabber.

Ethics:

Biden,

Repeatedly plagiarized speech of Neil Kinnock (UK, MOP), while campaigning for president in 1988...

Plagiarized a law review article while in law school at Syracuse...

Fraudulently claimed to have graduated in the "top half" of his law school class when he actually graduated 76th from 85

Lied when claiming that he had attended on a full scholarship, and had received three degrees. In fact, he had received two majors, History and Political Science, and a single B.A., as well as a half scholarship based on financial need.

In short, he lies a lot...


Posted by: Palin vs Biden | September 4, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

well, Natan...you spent a lot of time typing that. Good for you. At no point to you even approached anything based in fact. You are, at the very least, someone whom I make fun of . Then I pray that there is no one else like you.

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 7:05 AM | Report abuse

When will you people understand that Iraq a war made on false info

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 7:06 AM | Report abuse

sonny....you had no clue who she was before Sat.

That being said.

The "Sheriff" is full of garbage. "Oh my sister divorced her husband, now he must pay".

I'd actually rather have Bush in office than her...and I hate Bush with every fiber of my being

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 7:12 AM | Report abuse

So Capeheart is coming out as a partisan pundits now? Then he needs to stop representing himself as a straight news reporter.

Obama's experience is pathetic in comparison to McCain's. If partisans like Capeheart want to keep talking about experience, we are thrilled.

Posted by: rmorrow | September 4, 2008 7:16 AM | Report abuse

Iraq a war made on false info... NOT.

Your inability to express thoughts in complete sentences notwithstanding, precisely what information did the White House have that, for example, Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee or Hillary Clinton, wife of former president who first made the case against S. Hussein, not have??

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 7:18 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans had their 8 years in power, they did a pretty terrible job if anyone's noticing.

In the real world where we live, you would get fired. Not re-elected to try again!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

ok 1 question rmorrow. You guys love to talk about how Obama has never been in charge of anything. What has McCain been in charge of? Where is that "experience" that you talk about? Where is it? Bush may have failed at his leadership roles before 00' But at least he tried. Tell me about McCain and what he has been a leader of..I'd love to hear it. Something tells me you'll vanish and never be heard from again

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

jds said:
"Do the republicans actually have any ideas for America?"

This is a great question because it points out one of the fundamental differences between conservative and liberal thought. Conservatives believe that ideas as well as power come from the People who are challenged, innovative, resourceful, diligent, reputable, and take responsibility for themselves, their families, their budgets, etc. This concept does not exclude people who are truly in need.

Liberals believe that government is the source of ideas and power. This thought leads to Socialism and the Nannystate. Obama quote: "people want someone who can solve their problems for them".

Take your pick.

Posted by: RTGreenwood | September 4, 2008 7:26 AM | Report abuse

The Iraq was was NOT made on false info???? Are you serious? Your own people have said it was...it's amazing you know how to turn on a computer

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 7:26 AM | Report abuse

And perhaps you should get a new ticket...but unfortunately there are no do overs.

Posted by: dan | September 4, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Still waiting for those WMD's

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Bravo Jonathan! I remarked also that according to the VP candidate, McCain had no executive experience. She certainly gave a confident and exciting speech last night. Too bad that she sprinkled the lies in there. She is "politics as usual."

Posted by: Goddess | September 4, 2008 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Giuliani was so pleased with himself last night that at times I thought he would lose his mouthful of big teeth! He smiled so broadly, and laughed so heartily, and giggled at his own nasty lines he cjould hardly contain himself!!..... Old Rudy certainly was enjoying his time in the GOP spotlight and he and his third wife Judy made the most of it.

I am a New Yorker, so I know all about Rudy and his sordid life. He certainly knows how to be nasty, mocking Obama and Biden the way he did last night.

Well, thankfully HE is out of the race now, he sure didn't get very far. We New Yorkers are happy about that. We know a phony when we see one! What a GOP lackey HE is with his glowing endorsement of a VP that most of us have never heard of! But of course, we won't forget Rudy's endorsement of Bermard Kerik for Homeland Security Director either! Kerik will be in prison soon for corruption!

Rudy's judgement is as bad as his friend John McCain's!

Posted by: Amanda | September 4, 2008 7:33 AM | Report abuse

To be perfectly honest. When she mocked Obama, and being a "community organizer". That was classless, and I doubt she won votes on it.

All she did was let me feel free to bash her and all she's done wrong.

If she wants to take the gloves off, she's messing with the wrong party.

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Like I said...he wants to talk about Biden getting that VP nod in writing. Well, isn't getting married saying in writing, that you won't cheat on your wife? Rudy is a joke and all he does is use 9/11 for his gain

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Gov Palin has truely struck a nerve with Sen Obama's supporters. I believe they fear the impact she will have on the race. While she does not have a great amount of experience to be VP, neither does Sen Obama to be president.

Her youthful and vibrant personality and her toughness in tone are a match for Sen Obama.

The democrats were not prepared for Gov Palin and will have to revamp their campaign for the next 2 months.

Think of poor Sen Biden who must take on Gov Palin in debate. He will have to be careful on his replies and comments so as not to offend women watching.....and there will be many. Women voters voted more then men in the last presidential election. As well, we all know how Sen Biden can open mouth, insert foot when he speaks.

Still, it all boils down to this: when the American voter steps into the voting booth on Nov 4 the top issue on their minds will be securety of their family, county, state and country over the next 4 years. Then we get down to the matter of which candidate is best qualified to provide that secuity: Sen Obama or Sen McCain? Think hard because without security, other issues are almost irrelevant.

Posted by: Melvin | September 4, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

I'll have you know I am perfectly capable of turning on a computer, as evidenced by my correspondence here.

Just out of curiosity, who are "my people" and what did they say?

I repeat my initial question. What information did the White House have that had not already been made available to the House and Senate Intelligence and Foreign Relations Committees? What information was withheld, as you seemingly propose?

Actually, forget that. Since you're the expert, what should we have done about Saddam Hussein? Is it your position that Hans Blix and his band of weapons inspectors were an appropriate response to the threat, and an effective means of containing that threat?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Johnathon I'm a big Barack supporter. But, I do think you east coast elitist should get off of the size of her town and state thing. A large percentage of the country is from a place like Wasilla and if we want that vote we have to meet this candidate on the merits and the stage where she now stands. In reality, seemingly common people from small places often do great things. Many just happen to live in New York or D.C. now. But that's not where their from. It's where the stage is.

Posted by: FreeTxn | September 4, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Dems aren't worried about someone like her. I know I'm not. McCain cost himself the election by picking her. She is the best thing to happen to the Dems

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Palin likes to brag about her "responsibilities" as Mayor of Wasilla, a village of 6000 people and 40 government employees!! Amusing, isn't it?

Posted by: Amanda | September 4, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

my dear lord...your must be able to see through your mouth since your head is so far up you ass.

I don't even know where to start. Saddam? Bricks? Bush? Spin the wheel.

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Amanda...I'm shocked it wasn't 6,000 employees...but to be fair it (the town) was between 9 and 10 thousand people. Facts are always needed

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Rudy's highly paid 9/11 speaking gigs are probably coming to an end. In addition, what sane company would hire him and his firm as a consultant after the awful campaign he ran. So he is trying to position himself as a paid attack dog speaker at Republican events. He will really be in trouble if Obama wins because he won't have access to a Republican administration which I am sure a lot of companies and countries paid well for.

Posted by: DRD | September 4, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

She loves to say that she was against the "Bridge to Nowhere" but anyone who does their homework knows that's a bold faced lie.

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

I just read a commentary from "Sarah" who wished all the Vietnam vets died off. This is over the top. A better question is "Explain how American involvement in Vietnam protected Americans at home." Vietnam went communist after a Republican President obtained Peace with Honor. So, please tell me what the sacrifice of over 56,000 Americans under both parties accomplished for the betterment of America.

One last diatribe here. Our greatest shame as a country regarding Vietnam or Irag is how we failed, as Lincoln said, "to care for him who has borne the battle".

If Senator McCain wants to remind us he was a prisoner of war fine, I and many other Americans can appreciate what that must have been like, and honor his service. However, having been deployed to that theater as a pilot not a commander isn't leadership.

I'm sorry but this oft repeated mantra of his Vietnam experience starts to sound like Ferdinand Marcos. You may recall that after using his "war record" to run on many times, investigation showed he had very little war experience.

Posted by: thatsnuts | September 4, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Well, since my head is so far up my ass, and you have all the answers, help me out.

Turn the clock back 5-1/2 years.

What did the White House know that the House and Senate Intelligence Committees did not?

What should we have done?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

very true DRD

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

We don't need the executive experience of the Republicans after 8 years of crap. They can shove their executive experience where the sun don't shine.

Posted by: Independent Voter | September 4, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

@FriendofIsrael

If you want to protect Israel, I would advise picking a candidate that does *not* sit in church while her Pastor basically says the terrorism that goes on against Jews is because they haven't found Christ yet. Indeed, she said nothing to protest this.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/anti-jewish-ter.html

It makes you wonder what she will do if calamity strikes any non-Christian--say that we deserve it?

Posted by: Freedom Regardless of Religion | September 4, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

I don't even know how to answer that question. Seriously, it's mind numbing. Are we talking about the same thing? Wow, you need to catch up with the times

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

go talk to your boy McClellan

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the info Freedom

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Who is her Pastor? What is the name of her church?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

She talked a lot about laying pipe. Maybe she should be worried about the pipe being laid in her daughters pants. I don't know the pastors name but he can't be doing that good of a job

Posted by: gvntofly | September 4, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

I don't even know how to answer that question.

I rest my case.


Seriously, it's mind numbing.

My apologies, I'll try to ask easier questions in the future.


Are we talking about the same thing?

Probably not...


Wow, you need to catch up with the times.

Perhaps it is you who needs to "catch up with the times"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

The thing that always amazes me is how well the Republican establishment can kiss up to the religious right with a straight face. All these bridesmaids at the convention having to sell Palin as more qualified than they are. Palin's resume wouldn't have made it thru HR screening at eBay or HP.

But the evangelicals buy it hook, line and sinker. The Republicans are using them to stay in power -- honestly, McCain will put Palin in her place about five minutes after inauguration. If Cindy doesn't do it first.

Posted by: VA resident | September 4, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations to the G.O.P. for introducing their Eva Peron -- their Alessandra Mussolini -- to the nation in a typical proto-fascist speech replete with lies and contradictions to appeal to extremist elements of the middle class. Yes, the gloves are off. Does the Democratic Party have enough courage and strength to confront and reverse the ongoing decline of representative democracy in the United States?

Posted by: Riccardo | September 4, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

why do they feel they have to be so disrespectful

Posted by: wes | September 4, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Obama likes to point out that he has a belief that the American people are fundamentally decent. Rudy and the caribou-hunting comic character from Alaska seem to believe that the American people are morally and intellectually corrupt to the core. Let's see how this plays out.

Posted by: Berliner2 | September 4, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

How nice and white? Almost spotlessly so.
I thought about bleach all the way through.

Now I definately know who I want as President and Vice President:

a man who is disorented on stage,

and a woman who pees in the words, then puts on lipstick and goes out to dinner.

I'm so impressed by the United States!

God bless America!

Posted by: sanity | September 4, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Actually, Obama said that Americans cling to guns and religion, out of desperation and not knowing any better, and his wife described this as a "downright mean" country of which she was not proud until her husband secured the nomination.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

i agree with the writer who said by the republican definition of executive experience mccain has none.
let me add that by the republican definition of torture, mccain was never tortured by the north vietnamese.

Posted by: kathleen | September 4, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

When did the only responsibility of the president become as a military leader. Somehow I thought that was only part of the job, yet over the last two nights all I have heard is that McCain was a POW and can lead the military. Personally want someone who can lead on domestic issues.

Guiliani's speech had a few flaws, but the biggest insult in it was his link of September 11th and Iraq. All evidence and investigations have shown no link, yet that seems to be the theme.

As for Palin's speech ... it was so nasty and the exact tactic that McCain railed against in 2000. This is the person you want conducting foreign policy and heading diplomatic missions? She also needs to be very very careful about her record ... has she forgotten the deficit she left her town in? How about the taxes she raised there and as governor? Against earmarks ... how about her appearance in DC to ask for 200 million in earmarks or her hiring a lobby group as Mayer to get more than 20 million for her town?

I hope this election can get back to issues, and more than the war. I hope the democrats and press don't fall for the "media bias and attacks" approach and not dig into her record. Let's look at the plans of the two nominees on ALL issues and hope that people vote for the overall plans that are best for them. This election needs to be about more than the military because the job of the president is more than as Commander in Chief.

Personally, I want a president who can think, analyze and make decisions, not just someone who reacts without thinking. I want a president who is as concerned for what is going on at home as he is concerned with what is going on around the world, and I would love someone who finds a way to pay for what the government spends, not just spends the money and adds debt that we can't afford. This is not to say we need to spend more money, but whatever we do spend, we need to pay for ... and that includes military operations.

Posted by: An | September 4, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I cannot believe how the speakers last night and apparently McCain have belittled the American public. How stupid and naive do they think we are. They totally controlled the White House and both houses of Congress for 6 of the past 8 years. Nearly all of the corruption charges, indictments were against Republicans. They had no energy policy. Now the Republicans delegates and their candidates are jumping up and down cheering and screaming that they with clean up the mess they created. They will undo what they have done and do what they have failed to do for 8 years. How ignorant and gullible do they think we are?

Posted by: rec | September 4, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

I think 9/11 has been referenced more times this week than the economy. Republicans need to get a new punchline.

Posted by: Scott | September 4, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Let me say first that I don't think its right to target the candidates family. But the truth of the matter is that Palin and McCain are the ones who wanted to HIGHLIGHT her family from the beginning. The first time they introduced her, the biography was -- SON is going to WAR, other SON has disability, and HUSBAND is champion snowmobile racer. So unfortunately Palin and McCain opened the door for scrutiny on Palin's daughter. You can't go around saying my SON is going to WAR and SHOUT it everywhere you go, and then say don't talk about my daughter.

In addition, as a Evangelical Christian she opens herself up to the standards of the church when seeking a position of authority. In 1 Timothy 3 it talks about certain qulaifications people should have when seeking an office in the church, and therefore this should be referenced when seeking a government office as a Christian. 1 Tim 3:1-4 "1...If anyone sets his/her heart on being an overseer, he/she desires a noble task... 4He/she must manage his/her own family well and see that his/her children obey him/her with proper respect. 5(If anyone does not know how to manage his/her own family, how can he/she take care of God's church?)" Thus since the Bible tells Christians to look at the family of those seeking high positions, she has opened herself up to scrutiny which includes family values and childrens behaviors... (That is if she's an evangelical Christian... because this standard does not hold water unless you profess what's in the Bible.)

Posted by: ThinkAboutIt | September 4, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I enjoyed the whole convention last night. I am a registered Democrat who is voting for McCain and Palin. Everyone else in this thread who thinks last nights performance was painful to watch, I watched the Democratic Convention and it was just a sob story all the way through. That was the platform the Democratic convention used. There was at least more topics to discuss with the Republican Convention. I would rather hear straight talk than politically correct speeches.

Posted by: Ann | September 4, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I feel sorry for the mayor! somebody help him
Ben Laden & Al Qaida did not equal Iraq
Islamist does not equal terrorist
Last night in my book he lost any credibility to become a president one day.
He should have been more careful because that speech will come to haunt him in the future if he decide to run again.
Huckabee was presidential. Rommney good soldier.
The mayor, laughing at community work, you dont recover from that.

Posted by: Sylvain | September 4, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Bill clinton, no
jimmy carter, no
ronald reagan, no
I can only think of a few
rares instances,
Bush Senior, amb. to china'
where any president
has had real experience
in international politics,
where would you get this
experience to lead a
democratic republic
of 300 million;
with a huge nuclear arsenal?
GAME BOY?
It is about authenticity.
and Sarah Palin
has it,
Obama has missed the boat
with his comments about
repositioning america
in the eyes of the world?
who is this 'world'
that the media and liberal
press believe is judging us?
This is a liberal figment,
a guilt complex,
america is far and away
the most inspiring
and powerful nation
on earth.
learn to accept it,
rather then apoligize
for it.

Posted by: usa3 | September 4, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

the more the liberals cry the more I say John and Sarah have got it right

Posted by: g thomas | September 4, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

It is so sad when my party gets exposed by a republican woman. I couldn't sleep last night thinking how we missed the boat by not picking Hillary. I was afraid that she would be always lurking behind me. I can't stop crying now!!!! awwwww awwwww awwww

Posted by: OBAMA | September 4, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Rudy Giuliani is the lowest form of life on the planet and he proved it last night by attacking Obama. He is a complete A'Hole and always has been, even his own kids wouldn't vote for the pathetic low life of a human being.

Posted by: george33 | September 4, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

More predictable whining from the left.

To answer the question posed in the header? Yeah, I heard Rudy speak last night. He was pretty convincing that he believes what he said. Boo hoo. Rudy has an opinion.

To quote the DNC's heroine, "Get over it."

Posted by: DemsSuck | September 4, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

The question is does Biden and the rest of the Democratic party believe Obama?

Posted by: Robert | September 4, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Poor baby, did Sarah make you cry?

Posted by: julie | September 4, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I think it's hilarious that every time a democrat takes a shot at a republican, it's viewed by over-opinionated whiney rags like the washington post as acceptable yet the reverse is a considered a travisty. the two faced Obama just anounced that he will agree to be on Bill O'Reily prior to McCains Speech, something he said he wouldn't do. McCain stayed quiet during the DMC (class act). Sounds like an act of desperation out of Obama to steal thunder. I guess his cage was rattled (rightfully so). Dispute McCain all you want, he's the best man for the job and Palin is a good V.P. pick. Stop crying and take your losses.
DC - Detroit.

Posted by: Dave | September 4, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

You liberals really have a nasty attitude on life. Maybe you should try to GET ONE.

Posted by: kg | September 4, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Did I miss something? For all Giuliani's sneering and condescension of the Northeast and big cities - isn't that exactly who he represented and courted throughout his entire life? Maybe all those bad, horrible people of the Northeast should cut him off where it hurts, his client base.

Posted by: ccurrent | September 4, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

"Perhaps she should be at the top of the ticket?"

That's your big comeback?

how about - oops, we nominated the least experienced candidate in over 100 years! Can we have a mulligan?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp | September 4, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I have now watched two days of Republican demagoguery, hate mongering and spin. Where is the substance?

What do the Republicans believe in? What is the party's vision for the country over the next 4 years? What are their economic plans? How will they help the middle class? (Bush's tax cuts clearly weren't the answer, so what else will they do?) What will they do about ensuring access to adequate health care for all Americans? What does victory mean in Iraq? Given the answer to Iraq, when will they send more troops to Afghanistan to fight the real front of the war on terror? How will they conduct their foreign polcicy?

The list goes on. I have heard nothing about what the party will do for America. All they have done is agressively throw mud at their opponents.

How do you vote for a Party without a plan without a vision that they can clearly articulate? Moreover, why has McCain not worked on bringing such a vision to life during his 20+ years in the senate instead of waiting 'til now to think he and the country needed his so called change?

Posted by: Vgirl1 | September 4, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

"I thought it ironic that the party of family values headlined a man who moved his mistress into the Governor's mansion before he was divorced and almost before the wife moved out; a woman whose 17 year old daughter is pregnant out of wedlock and who was paraded on stage along with the "fiance"; and a man who dumped his wife because she was no longer beautiful after a life threatening traffic accident and who took up with his millionaire mistress while he was still married.

By contrast the Godless liberals headlined a man who has been married to the same woman since 1992 and one who has been married to the same woman since 1977.

Remind me again which party is the party of family values and the moral majority? If it's the Republicans, then I'm glad I'm not one."

Posted by: Wyo Native | September 3, 2008 11:52 PM

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This pretty well sums it up. Let's have 4 more years of "values", of course it won't be the same without Widestance, Pageboy, you know, the regulars. At least Vitter's still around. Who knows, maybe Sarah can change his diaper for him.

God help us all if these idiots get the White House again. With the family history of the Republican candidates they can all move into the same house. There will be room if they put a few appliances on the front porch.

Posted by: DennisinKC | September 4, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I am not a McCain-Palin supporter, nor an Obama supporter. I will say this much about Palin's speech last night, however.

She did the job for the GOP, and she is what she said... a pit bull with lipstick. She delivered her Republican written speech extremely well for being in the national spotlight for the very first time.

Palin is lovely, and Palin has a very beautiful family. She seems to be "Super-Woman" and seems to know her way around.

She has not proven her qualifications to me as yet, her education seems very limited. However, even if She IS a fast learner, and IS able to hold her own in the debates regarding foreign policy etc., I STILL could not vote for McCain-Palin.

Why not?? Because they are REPUBLICANS, and after eight years of bush, they are promising us four more years
of the same... more wars, more government waste, more catering to lobbyists, more subsidies, more jobs lost, more privatization, more conservative judges on the Supreme Court and in Federal Courts, no healthcare plan, no real Energy plan, drill, drill, drill ANYWHERE, more catering to the wealthy in the way of tax-cuts, subsidies, and open-ended government contracts. Gov. Palin is well experienced in getting government earmarks!!!!!!

Palin at least put a windfall profits tax on the Oil Industry in Alaska however, and gives that money back to the Alaskans! I wonder how the oilmen in the GOP liked it when Palin bragged about that! This is something bush has been against, and McCain will follow.

Like MILLIONS of Americans, I am NOT better off than I was eight years ago, and what McCain-Palin are promising us will totally destroy our country. That is why just being A REPUBLICAN will be their defeat!!


Did anyone hear the names bush or cheney last night?? Neither did I! I wonder why they didn't show up?

Posted by: Amanda | September 4, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

On Sale: Cheap GOP Tactics

Posted by: Amy | September 4, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

All these positive comparisons of Palin to Regan must have ol' Ron spinning in his grave.

Posted by: vegmom | September 4, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

The snide, divisive remarks at the RNC showed a party out of touch and out of their minds. It's a little sickening to me how little respect they show for the members of their own party. If I was a Republican, I would be offended; you can't substitute attitude for action. Nor can you exchange ego for substance. I watched the entire night as a string of failures in their own right came out to attack and belittle a man who has sought to uplift the population that comprises the majority of our nation. There was little to no facts. Simply outright lies, insults and skirting of all relevant issues. No disrespect to Sen. McCain, but failing your mission and not telling does not qualify you to be president. Gov. Palin, with all due respect, your state has less people than my neighborhood and the "city" you ran is smaller than the university I attended. For someone to mess that up, you would have to be a complete imbecile. Mr. Giuliani... the largest city in our country was EFFECTIVELY attacked 3 times under your watch. FAIL. This should not be a personal matter. It should be an issues matter. Let's have some REAL integrity please.

Posted by: Wendell Tucker | September 4, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

@ FriendofIsrael

You MIGHT want to do a little reading about Ms. Palin and her feelings about Jews before you cast that ballot.

Posted by: lt | September 4, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Nice try. You just have no idea, do you?

So now we have population or dollar quotas on what kind of experience counts?

Typical of the elitist left. If it doesn't happen in a big metropolitan area on a coast, then it just doesn't happen.

This is exactly why Democrats continue to lose presidential election after presidential election...and why they will lose this one:

No respect at all for the heart of America, only fawning adulation for the parentheses.

Rudy was right. And I also love how the argument has now become Palin vs. Obama. Maybe someone should tell liberals the punchline there: the more you question the experience of the Republican VICE PRESIDENTIAL nominee, the more it makes the Democratic PRESIDENTIAL nominee look like the empty suit that he is.

You don't get it, you never will, and that is why you continue to lose.

To paraphrase an erstwhile popular mantra: "It's an American thing; you wouldn't understand."

Posted by: ep | September 4, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I find it ironic that a man who can never turn down a magazine cover or an interview could mock Senator Obama as a celebrity. Since that dreadful day in September 7 years ago, Rudy Giuliani has done nothing but try to keep himself in the news and be seen as relevant. His speech was full of blatant lies and it just reverberated to me exactly what kind of person he really is.

Posted by: Michele | September 4, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

These Republicans must realize that the only reason they are talking about change at all is because Obama has consistently and repeatedly focused his attention there.

It is HIS central theme, the Republicans are trying to co opt it as their own.

Too bad McSame is another Bush and Palin is just a poor excuse for a VP candidate.

Posted by: delantero | September 3, 2008 11:01 PM

If Obama is so gung-ho about change, why hasn't he authored at least one piece of major legislation to bring about change? Could it be that he doesn't want the general public to know exactly what kind of change he's wanting?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully, if Palin is elected vice president, Alaska will be allowed to secede from the United States. After Alaska secedes, Palin will have to resign because she would no longer be a citizen of the United States.

Palin and Alaska will lose the handouts that they receive from liberal voters and the Palin family will have to pay the cost of their child out of their own pockets. Once Alaska secedes, all of the women gushing all over this country can then donate their time and money to help Palin take care of the child.

Hilary can head up the committee to donate to this cause. Lieberman can act as vice chairman.

Posted by: Jim | September 4, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

"They (the Republicans) totally controlled the White House and both houses of Congress for 6 of the past 8 years. They had no energy policy."

Posted by: rec | September 4, 2008 9:03 AM

Perhaps you will be so kind as to enlighten us what the Democrats have done the last 35 years since the first energy crisis brought on by the Arab Oil Embargo. Anything? Two-thirds of that time, Democrats controlled the House; twenty of those years, they controlled the Senate; six of those years, they simultaneously controlled the White House, the Senate and the House. Nonetheless, I can't find any evidence of them investing billions (or even millions) of our money in alternative energies. All talk, no walk.

Posted by: Al | September 4, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Did anybody got the impression from the speakers yesterday that they are trying to paint the last 8 years as democratic years? After I heard Mitt, that was my take.

Posted by: jarl66 | September 4, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

comment to: Lee Warren 11:42

We already have term limits. The President cannot run again after an eight year term.

Do you mean a shorter term in office?

I have been a Republican, because my husband was Republican, for all my voting life and I am now in my 60s. A Catholic who is white, a widow of a Viet Nam vet and one who is against what has been happening in our country for the last eight (8) years.

We have a higher poverty level now because our laws are not being executed.

We have a lower income level now because of the laws and loopholes put into play by the last two (2) Presidents.

We have one of the highest rates of uninsured.

We have a medical establishment which looks out for number one, themselves. We are only incidental in that we are the ones to whom they practice on whether it turns out we live or die is inconsequential.

We have a higher unemployment rate now because of the way NAFTA has been written and legislated in the last sixteen (16) years, which protects the rich who has only become more affluent by allowing their companies to run or not run in America but other countries.

We have a lower educational standard which needs to be addressed forcefully so our children can feel comfortable, safe, worthwhile, and be able to acquire the education that will be useful to them in the technology world we live in today, while realizing of course, that all jobs are not technical.

We have allowed our government to become omnipotent, their will and their rights will be done. Not the American peoples’ rights of law.

We have a country which protects the people who hides their money in family member’s names so they will not have to pay their debts when they trick the gullible or the elderly people into accepting a service for which they know they are not going to deliver. The law leaves no recourse to support these people.

If any of you want this way of life to continue, by all means, vote Republican. If you want to see a way of life returned to you; the rights of life, liberty and justice, vote Democrat.

Yes, I am a Democrat now after many years of my husbands force of will, and I like many millions of other honest hard working Americans want to see that our legal Americans will have all there rights returned to us.

McCain is not the one who can do it; he is one of the establishments who helped put us in this situation. He is really strong on force of will and might. His will and might as it has been for the past eight (8) years under Bush’s force.

He has not given us anything concrete to mull over. He has no idea what to do in order to correct the economy. Nor does he have any idea how to get himself out of the pockets of the corporate America to whom he is owned. I really believe he likes it that way as he has not changed his mind about raising their taxes nor restructuring NAFTA so that the hard working people of this country can get back jobs they so desperately need.

From what I saw last night while watching the Republican convention, Palin will be another bully whose force of will (which she showed very clearly) and needs will be served if God forbid she and McCain makes it into the oval office. The combination of their force will utterly complete the process that has placed this country in the predicament it is in now.

For Obama all the way, I have seen nothing to change my mind yet. Fear mongering not with out standing will not do it.

Posted by: steffy_28838_C | September 4, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Most telling in Rudy's speech was when he said, "As a trial lawyer, if you do not have facts, you make them up." Rudy, the former trial lawyer made up quite a few "facts" last night.

Shame on you Rudy Giuliani!

Sincerely,

Hillary Rodham Clinton

Posted by: The Franchise | September 4, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

You have Palin and Cindy Lou.

We have Clinton and Oprah.

And you want the public to take you seriously?

Posted by: Derek | September 4, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

WAKE UP, AMERICA!!! Cut out the crap and start focusing on the issues. Here's all you need to know: pro-life or pro-choice? Separation of church and state, or creationism in the schools? Continue the irresponsible war we started, or bring our troops home responsibly? Restore America as the popular leader of the free world, or continue on our path to isolationism?

I don't give two thoughts to the sound of Sarah Palin's voice or who knocked up her kid. I'm a working mom, no beauty queen, true, but I get it. Palin is a capable woman, but SHE IS NOT MY CANDIDATE. McCain, again, a respectable senator, but when he chose Palin he demonstrated he isn't a maverick at all. A maverick would have stood up the the ultra-conservative right and delivered Liberman or Ridge as he had originally said he wanted to. He wouldn't have caved to Karl Rove.

Truth slap time, America--just vote on the issues, and it's a slam dunk.

Posted by: Dr. P | September 4, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully, if Palin is elected vice president, Alaska will be allowed to secede from the United States. After Alaska secedes, Palin will have to resign because she would no longer be a citizen of the United States.

Palin and Alaska will lose the handouts that they receive from liberal voters and the Palin family will have to pay the cost of their child out of their own pockets. Once Alaska secedes, all of the women gushing all over this country can then donate their time and money to help Palin take care of the child.

Hilary can head up the committee to donate to this cause. Lieberman can act as vice chairman.

Posted by: Jim | September 4, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

After watching/listening to those speeches last night, which certainly hit new lows in both quality and content, which were followed by the frenzied cheers of the insane mob attending the convention, I became quite concerned about the safety of the world if these McCainiacs ever get elected. It would also tell the world everything it ever needed to know about the American electorate.

Guiliani was particularly disgusting. I'm ashamed to say that I once paid $250 to attend a speaking engagement where he was featured. It is so sad to see how far America has fallen over the last 8 years, but even sadder is the realization that it can, and will, fall still further if there is another Republican administration.

Posted by: Smithdo | September 4, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Rudy Rudy with the red dress on. Americas cross-dressing mayor. I didn't like you before, and apparently neither did the voters in many states, because $60 million in campaign funds got you one delegate, which pretty much gives credence to the idea that you are either out of touch or people are tired of hearing you go on about 9/11 or that people just don't like you. I opt for the latter as research showed that the more you talked and the more they knew you and heard your nasty sarcasm, the more your figures plunged. Go away. You remind me too much of the old wierdo J. Edgar Hoover, with his bludgeoning of political opponents with his investigation while covering up his own scandalous behavior.

Posted by: triptomars2008 | September 4, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe that people still believe that the Republicans are the party of the future. Their vicious attacks said nothing of how they would help our country. How could they help - they are against helping the downtrodden, saving our planet, saving our animal life, providing health care and good education. Their selfish interests extend only to lower taxes, right wing Supreme Court justices, more war without a plan, no rights for women on abortion, big oil tax cuts, ok's for torture and taking care of themselves only.

We should put them all on the ice floe that just broke off in the Artic Ocean and see if they still believe global warming is a myth.

Posted by: Mark | September 4, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Questions for you Jonathan:

Am I paying you?

annnnnnnnnnd

Is shilling professional (somebody said it isn't, but I think it was some guy named Russert)?

annnnnnnnnnd

Do you know a good cleaners (I messed myself last night around 10:30 pm)?

Posted by: Community Organizer | September 4, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Rudy Giuliani means well in his mind, however, his remarks at the RNC are very offensive to many Americans and, frankly, he offered no constructive evidence that the McCain-Palin ticket have any plan to benefit Americans during the next four years. Bye-Bye Rudy and the entire Republican party -- you have no chance this November.

Posted by: Dave | September 4, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

As anyone who lived in NYc can tell you, rudy was one of the most divisive, nasty and 2 faced mayors we've ever had. And we've had a few! As for 9-11- take it from one who has first hand experience. Rudy didn't pull us together. we pulled ourselves together, in spite of him. You had to be there but Rudy, the king of 9-11 is wearing the emperor's new clothes.

Posted by: nyc sparrow | September 4, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Guiliani's speech was disgraceful. It was like hearing Goerbels. It's like Republicans adhere to the Josef Goerbels handbook, which says keep telling a lie long enough and people start to believe it. If there is a God like the Republicans think, Guiliani will have to explain his dishonest, divisive, disgraceful speech some day.

Posted by: Mehren | September 4, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I was so excited to finally see Sarah speak. I invited all my girlfriends over to watch her last night. We were buzzing with pride and excitement but by the time her speech was over we were so let down and depressed. Maybe our expectations were too high, maybe we wanted to believe but in the end she proved to be just another negative, condescending politician. Looks like my group of gals are going to rally behind Michelle Obama's man!

Posted by: Paula | September 4, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse


Obama is a wish sandwich.

Obama has never done anything in his life other than run for president.

Palin has an actual record of accomplishment. Something Obama will never have.

Posted by: julie | September 4, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

"Rudy Giuliani mocked Barack Obama's experience as a community organizer. Angry Rudy seems to think that there is no honor in leading a community out of a "Republican Recession". He also said that Barack Obama has never lead people in a time of crisis. I am not sure but I believe that people facing foreclosure, bankruptcy, crippling debt might consider this a crisis."

Posted by: Sam Kerr | September 3, 2008 10:36 PM

What does a 'Community Organizer' do? Knock on doors, door to door. Most of the projects that Obama got built in Chicago are now shut down and boarded up. Lest we not forget who the real villains are in this subprime mortgage mess the Democrats and the socialist Republicans. It is time to bring conservatism back to Washington.

The fact remains that this woman cut taxes AND cut Government spending (by 15%). Go McCain/Palin '08!

Posted by: Oh Really? | September 4, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Typical liberals just crying now. Great speeches all around-Romney, Giuliani, Palin. I loved the one about Osams' experience as a community organizer- ha! Very true! And what, he was present? Give me a break what a complete joke.

Bumper Stickers:
- Mr. Smoke-N-Mirros!
- No-Sama
- Osama Bin Binden 08
-Community Organizer unite to be prez! - Palin, cause she's hotter than Hillary!
- I'm Present!

Posted by: Travis Chapman | September 4, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

The mob never forgets Rudy. I'm surprised one of them hasn't put a bullet in his head already. He is a pathetic excuse for a human being and so deluded that it is almost comical. Does he really believe his own line of BS? It's hard to imagine even the religious republican drones not being able to see through this but I'm sure I'm wrong. I mean who else is voting for McCain on all these polls? It seems that Obama is clearly the choice for change. I can't believe the republican party actually has the balls to belittle community organizing. What are they thinking? Maybe if they spent more time doing what Obama did in Southside Chicago then they wouldn't be so vastly out of touch with a low or middle class American's problems.

Posted by: Lee | September 4, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

julie, travis chapman, oh, really?:
I love self-delusion. It's going to destroy the republican Party but is really is a shame to see a once great party so far down. You just go right on telling yourselves it's all the democrat's fault, Palin is capable and McCain is fit to lead because he suffered in Vietnam.

Not to take anything away from him, but it doesn't make him fit to lead. It makes him a war hero who is all too human and quite capable (as shown by ample evidence) to make really poor judgment calls.

And for those of you who don't know what a community organizer does, I suggest you spend a week following one of these dedicated and compassionate people around while they work, instead of spending more time in your home entertainment room with the 500 inch flat screen and thinking all America just has it so good. It's a lot more than knocking on doors, it's making calls, writing letters, talking to families and agencies, working to get laws passed, budgets, fundraising, running agencies (executive experience, hello..), management, knowing the issues at hte local, state and federal level, and caring about those in need. It takes a big dose of compassion and smarts- while Palin may have smarts, compassion isn't even in her dictionary.

If you want the real equivalent of equating "community organizing" with knocking on doors, Palins speech was a prime example of mistaking style for substance. She's got style, not much substance.

Posted by: nyc sparrow | September 4, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

You have to be a brain dead buffoon to buy into their experience schtick - or, as I like to call them, the republican base.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Ahh, Rudy. . . As a New Yorker who lived through 9-11, smelled the jet fuel and burnt flesh for weeks, who stood among the ashes digging for survivors, Rudy is a dissappointment now as he was then. Imagine if the first responders had the proper radio equippment. Country first my a-s!

Posted by: shakazuluonetime | September 4, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

nyc sparrow,
Your right, stating "I'm present" 130 times is more more important then making an actual decision. P-r-e-t-t-y difficult.

Thanks for your suggestions about following an all imporant CITY ORGANIZER around, no thanks. I'm goin' have to decline though. It's as you know a pretty difficult job, not sure I'm up to doing nothing.

Whoa, wait a minute, there's a 500 in. flat screen? Ha- Idiot!

Posted by: Travis Chapman | September 4, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

shakazuluonetime- and I as well, but if you were on site, I most likely had the honor of serving you food in the Taj Mahal (or bubble as some liked to call it). And I so agree.

Posted by: nyc sparrow | September 4, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

1. Can we stop calling Wasilla a town? It's got a population of less than 9000. It's a village, no more. The place I come from has a population of 80,000 and is called the "Village of Palatine".
2. Palin's foreign policy experience according to McCain comes from the fact that Alaska is the closest US state to Russia. Hmmm... How do I even begin to counter that? It's stupid at so many levels.
3. If Karl Rove thought Gov. Tim Kaine's resume was light, then what would he have to say about Sarah Palin?
4. Let's stop assuming that all of the disgruntled Hillary voters will now support Palin. Why? Because Palin's a woman? That notion ought to insult not just the Hillary voters but women in general; that McCain and the right-wingers would presume that women would overlook the sea of difference between Palin and Hillary when it comes to experience, character, policies, positions on issues and vote for her purely because of her gender. That, to me, is the real sexism here.

Posted by: Chris | September 4, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Democrats, stop beating on Republican die-hards. PLEASE!!!

Keep in mind that party-loyal Republican lifeforms are blindly obedient. They do whatever they're told to do. And vote for whomever they're told to vote.

That's because CRITICAL THINKING goes beyond the abilities of these single-celled organisms. Being unicellular, they self-destruct once the use of that cell goes beyond breathing and feeding.

Posted by: UnabashedlyDemocrat | September 4, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

For a party so high on family values (not) it's a wonder that they chose Rotten Rudy (what we call him in NYC) to appear on the same stage as the lovely Mrs. Palin.

I mean really. We are talking about a guy who attempted to move his girlfriend (now wife #3) into the Mayoral residence while his family (wife #2 and their two children) still lived there.

That's really saying a lot about family values and the type of person the GOP wants delivering primetime messages to the American public. It says a lot about their idea of a standup guy who's opinion should matter.

Posted by: KO | September 4, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Note to Chris,
Talk about spliting hairs- that's not a city this is a city ie that's not a knife etc...

Ok, Palin ran a village in your eyes and Osama ran a community outreach program, great!

Nobody cares about Hillary- Proof in point Bill gave up on her plenty of times. So too have her supporters, whom are feminist and who wouldn't vote across party lines anyway. What you saw last night was a true American women speaking about the platforms the Republican Party stands for.

Talk about foolish, your compairing Palin's foreign policy experience because Alaska is close to Russia. Does that mean Osama's foreign policy experience comes from Canada? Great!

Karl Rove? Is he running? Give it up, your lost and so is your socialist party!

Oh-by-the-way Chris, Hillary's is done, she done! Only you Democraps can't understand that.


Posted by: Travis Chapman | September 4, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Guliani ran his own campaigns as a "community organizer" how he would "tear down the walls of segregation" that still existed in New York, guess he also forgets where he came from.
Most politicians at some point in their career will do the same Communty organizing like Barack did, i see it as a Huge Plus for Barack. And i guess by implying that its a negative for Obama, then that would Basically mean the Republican Party are the Elite, that somehow community organization is a lowly form of PUBLIC SERVICE.

One thing , and i think Barack even acknowledged it today, He's loving this RNC convention, they have basically given their whole 4 day convention to him as free advertisement, talking more about Barack, more about the issues he's talking about than their own.
Its a beutiful thing, free press.Any news is good news, especially when they wasted 4 days avoiding any discussion about their own candidate, uhm, he's uh, you know, ole whats his name???

Posted by: Fake | September 4, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Governor Palin is from a rich state, and McCain likes to pick people (especially spouses) who 'have rich' somewhere; he hates anything to do with 'poor', dumps it right away, and takes full responsibility; for example, rich woman, rich friend, rich state, rich voter, etc., etc.

This election is about McCain and his supreme 'survival instinct', but only for himself; and therefore it is useless to talk about an obscure sexy politician (remember, as the entertainment industry will tell you, sex sells) thrown in your face at five minutes to twelve, because everyone has just been 'blinded' by that supreme survival instinct.

However, this is now serious, McCain is old and spent and traumatized, he is not a young-old, and the juices don't flow no more in the right direction, meaning that there will be many more 'knee jerk' decisions, etc., and the US will feel the sharp pains from those reactions (war, poverty, destruction, etc.), but Americans won't care, it was a good 'sexy' show (they like him), afterwhich they will go home on a bicycle to their mobile homes take some medication and worry about their medical bills. However, McCain won't like them, because he only likes anything having to do with rich.


Posted by: bobbiejoe | September 4, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of what any Republicans say, she is not qualified period. Now, suddenly just because they say she is, we are supposed to accept it "on faith" that she is qualified.

Americans were foolish enough to allow Bush/Cheney and if they are foolish enough to allow McCain/Palin, they will live to suffer the consequences.

Posted by: sanity | September 4, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Forget the speakers and the speeches. The bizarre part of yesterday's RNC circus was the crowd: it could have been WWW Smackdown with all the booing and cheering.

What a sad reflection on the convention and the Republican Party. Now I'm really scared.

Posted by: Elvis | September 4, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Ello World Leaders...just been watching and reading from a loyal (even if at time stupid by following and not hinking) ally - Australia ....I know you americans like to run the world but are famous for having lousy Geography - so firstly I am in Australia not Austria (used to confuse GW a lot).... but this republican stuff andthe fact the election is so close has us in stitches.. this is funny no script wrtier could beat it - and you guys want to tell the world how to embrace freedom and democracy - if it wasnt so funny we would be scared... you dont get respect with agun barrell and fundmanetlist bigoted views being forced on everyone both domestically and internationall - isnt that why we are meanto be fighting the terrorist infidels?????
You want to lead the world get your act together - I mean after Palins speech yesterday your unemployment rose and the Dow Jones got slam dunked 300 plus points - get it clowns - "Its the Economy stupid" - and after eight years of mismanagement maybe a change is needed - meanhwile of course you look like handing pwer again to a agressive isolationist (but of course interventionaist) christian right governement....yes your allies are worried and sick of the cost of your stupidity - if the worng decision is made here I think the world will move on and try to work things out without the bully on the block telling us what to do - as we watch your economy gow down the toilet...meanhile in tribute to the PALIN that could have written this comedy I am humming "Im a lumberjack and Im okay" - seems apt...

Posted by: Col in Paradise | September 4, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me it takes great leadership and administrative skills to lead a successful run for presidential nomination.

Compare Obama's strong, relatively smooth run for the nomination to Rudy's failure and the ups, downs, and confusion of Mccain's run.

Posted by: Gerry | September 5, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

That's it. I'm moving to Alaska -- where apparently anyone can be governor.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

It's my understanding that Mayor Palin left Wasilla with a rather large budget deficit.

Posted by: zigzag7 | September 7, 2008 6:44 AM | Report abuse

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