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Judging Palin by an Eighth-Grade Standard

There is only one way to understand the rave reviews that some are giving Sarah Palin’s speech: People expected her to be a blithering fool and were shocked that she could read a decent speech prepared for her by the McCain campaign. She is being judged by much too low a standard.

I always thought she would speak reasonably well; there are plenty of tapes floating around showing she can do that. She was, after all, elected governor.

But if Palin is judged by the standard that should be applied to someone in line to be president of the United States, she didn't blow many people away -- other than Republican loyalists and the pundits she hates so much.

If, going in, you were inclined to support her, she did just fine. (That was the reaction among the delegates.) She also pulled over anyone who wanted to support her going in.

But if you think, as I do, that she needed to bowl people over to show that she really is up to the job, to brush aside the questions, well, she didn’t do that. If you were worried that she has absolutely no background in foreign policy, she did nothing to relieve those worries.

All the speeches about her (and her own speech) carried the subtext that a lot of people out there don’t think she belongs on the ticket. She therefore needed to defend herself, and other speakers needed to defend her. There was way too much self-defense before she got to John McCain. I just don’t think that speech changed a lot of minds, and I am surprised that so many pundits gushed over it.

I also suspect that the harshness of parts of her speech turned off moderate independents, especially women who tend not to like attack campaigning. On that, the polls will tell.

At least a couple of focus group reports that Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo unearthed suggest that the speech did not overwhelm rank-and-file voters. (Update: After I wrote this a couple of hours ago, I ran across a SurveyUSA poll that points the other way. It found that 57 percent of independents gave Palin's speech a grade of A. Many more saw her as an asset to McCain after the speech than did before.) I have no idea if these focus groups are representative of broader opinion, but they do contrast with some of the more extravagant claims made on behalf of her speech.

On a related note, I like Mike Kinsley’s point: It’s odd for candidates to say that their families are off-limits except when they are not.

By E.J. Dionne  | September 4, 2008; 7:05 PM ET
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Governor Palin is from a rich state, and McCain likes to pick people (especially spouses) who 'have rich' somewhere; he hates anything to do with 'poor', dumps it right away, and takes full responsibility; for example, rich woman, rich friend, rich state, rich voter, etc., etc.

This election is about McCain and his supreme 'survival instinct', but only for himself; and therefore it is useless to talk about an obscure sexy politician (remember, as the entertainment industry will tell you, sex sells) thrown in your face at five minutes to twelve, because everyone has just been 'blinded' by that supreme survival instinct.

However, this is now serious, McCain is old and spent and traumatized, he is not a young-old, and the juices don't flow no more in the right direction, meaning that there will be many more 'knee jerk' decisions, etc., and the US will feel the sharp pains from those reactions (war, poverty, destruction, etc.), but Americans won't care, it was a good 'sexy' show (they like him), afterwhich they will go home on a bicycle to their mobile homes take some medication and worry about their medical bills. However, McCain won't like them, because he only likes anything having to do with rich.

Posted by: bobbiejoe | September 4, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I just don’t think that speech changed a lot of minds, and I am surprised that so many pundits gushed over it.


Thank you, EJ Dionne. I was beginning to wonder if it was only me who feels that way!
I thought the speech was pretty pedestrian and the delivery amateurish.

Posted by: Ginger | September 4, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Palin speech is tough talk, she compares herself to a pit bull, doesn't she realize how many helpless children been attacked by these animals. It is more than apparent the Rep are running on a dogged out platform, just no agenda. So it is reasonable for her to compare herself to a pit bull. If she cuts the budget of the special need kids by 61% she is a heartless monster after-all she has a child that need these services. The bragging and commending of her speech exposes the Rep to be anti humane, I can now see why the struggle for life is such a dog fight.

Posted by: deeCole Montg. Al | September 4, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

how can palin's speech even be compared to obama's historic address? it was cut to the standard angry partisan template, and was effective only because of its distortions, inaccuracies and lies.

yes, if you set the bar low, you'll get over it, but the end result will be still be mediocrity. i guess that doesn't stop people falling for it all over again.

Posted by: grist in glove | September 4, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

I thought the speech was appallingly bad.

Disclaimer: I'm an Obama supporter and always have been, but I watched with interest, hoping to be pleasantly surprised. I wasn't, not by a long shot.

Zero substance, just snide, sarcastic jabs at Obama and a laundry list of exaggerations about how she's God's gift to the US. Yecch.

Posted by: Sally1860 | September 4, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Dionne I could not agree with you more. As an Independent she said nothing that made me want to vote for her. She did not speak to any of the issues that most of us are facing today. I don't think it is good enough to say I come from where you come from yet not address any of the concerns. We all know McCains weakness is the economy. From what I have seen and had a chance to read she does not address that weakness at all. What I did learn is that she can really spit out the insults. Sorry but that does nothing to help me put food on the table, or to maintain my health care, or lower the gas prices or help me have enough to put my kid through college.

Posted by: Tee | September 4, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I was so disappointed in the pundits and journalists that responded in such a knee-jerk fashion to Palin's speech. How on earth could anyone listen to that shrill and petty (and empty) speech and declare her a "star"?

Posted by: DogBitez | September 4, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Breaking news, McCain's speech tonight is to move toward "ending the rancor." What a joke that is, after the shameful way they have acted. I don't think I will ever again vote Republican. They act like spoiled children.

Posted by: Olivia | September 4, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

What gall this lightweight airhead has to spew out insults (written by somebody else). What education and world experience does she have? No class. And then she can not be criticized? What total BS.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

The bar was low for Palin, you're right about that, but maybe not quite 8th grade level. It turns out there was a reason for less than stellar expectations for the VP nominee: it took her 6 years and 5 stops in party schools to make it through her journalism degree. They wrote the only speech she could deliver, full of arrogance, sarcasm and condescension. It's yet to be demonstrated that she has any skill or intelligence to address the issues. It takes so much more to lead than a white trash bimbo can deliver.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Thank you. I couldn't help thinking as I was listening to it that it was snarky and sarcastic and wouldn't play well with independent voters. The tone reminded me of Ann Richards' "Poor George" quip - although I'm a die hard Democrat, I didn't like that kind of sarcasm either. Personal attacks don't belong in politics - we need to vote the issues and where we think the candidates will take the country. Her tone was nasty and unnecessary and I hope it backfires, as it should.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

How interesting. Everyone on the left comments that her speech was prepared by a speech writer. Why didn't they say this about Biden, Carter, The Clinton's, Al Gore or any of the Democrats?

The left has to do anything possible to belittle this woman! Now if she were a Democrat they would not say any of these things!

Posted by: Heather | September 4, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Her speech was too harsh, biting and lacking substance to be given by a newcomer to national politics. Obama's campaign will miss an opportunity if they do not tie her by the hip to Cheney.

I WAS one of those undecided independents and I was somewhat ambivalent and undecided between the choice of McCain or Obama, but I was appalled and thrown off by her speech. After Giuliani served up the red meat for an interminable time to the crowd she could have been more statesperson like and accomplished much more. It confirmed my suspicians, particulary after examining the record of her management style, that there were so many other more capable women, eg, Hutchinson, Fiorina, Whitman and others he could have chosen. As Peggy Noonan indicated, she must have been chosen for sensational and cynical purposes. Pretty scary thought for me to think about her being a heart beat away from the presidency, particularly when McCain's health and age are considered.

Posted by: Jamesco | September 4, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Keep bashing those women! First Hillary and now Palin.


Posted by: Dr. Dave | September 4, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Maybe instead of hanging dogs on Sarah Palin's eloquence, you compare her to the current moron in the White House. By this simple test, she has passed all test to be the next president.

Posted by: joe | September 4, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

seriously folks?

There was as much "hatred" spewed forth by the democrats as there was last night.

No one questioned who wrote Biden's speech. . .or where he may have borrowed it from?

Speechwriters, poise, delivery, tearing down your opponent, vague "plans". . .neither party has been able to move away from that.

Posted by: A True Independent | September 4, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

A sampling of the descriptive words used to describe Sarah Palin or her speech in these responses:

Snarky, shrill, acceptable only by 8th grade standards, good for a blithering fool, arrogance, condescension, white trash bimbo, lightweight airhead, petty, snide.

Please keep attacking her. It will only make voters like her more.

Posted by: El-Dub | September 4, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I didn't care for the tone - way too corrosive, and we still don't have a clue what she truly stands for. The same could be said about mccain - he's flipped on all the major issues - we need a recap. I was especially insulted by her comments on community organizing. I am an active volunteer in my community and see the value in it as immeasurable. Shame on them.

Posted by: Julie | September 4, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Every time I hear "...not enough experience..." I can never tell if they're talking about Palin or Obama.

OTOH, I think I'm for Obama, that is, if he ever tells me what's he's for. I'm being serious. I think he's intelligent. I want an intelligent president (better than the current bozo). He could fill the bill, but I'd like to know he'll do about taxes, healthcare. His speeches are so smooth, and so lightweight.

Honestly he won't win this way. His charisma is not universal the way Clinton's or Reagan's was. He's got to take positions and defend them.

Posted by: TheManKeepingYouDown | September 4, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have to set the bar low because the people who vote for them are either rich or uneducated. That's why none of their policies are rationale and lack o common sense.

Posted by: OGDem | September 4, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Proving once again that newspapers really aren't worth looking at anymore.

Posted by: Mark W | September 4, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I have to say, I'm floored at the rave reviews that her speech is earning. I don't feel that there is anything that was said during her speech to warrant these five star reviews. So she threw a couple of empty jabs at us lefties...BFD. I tried to keep an open mind and respect what she had to say, but she didn't say ANYTHING!!! Did anyone else have a big ol fat WTF moment after the speech ended? I think I'm more confused about McCain selecting her after her speech than I was beforehand...I'm so confused???

Posted by: The Democratic Warrior | September 4, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Precisely. She can certainly read the heck out of a speech, and I'll give her that, but the contents of that speech appalled me. Characterized by half-truths, outright lies (see, and vicious was unbelievably offputting. And that she puts herself up there as a champion of the working class, while standing up for the party that (as shown by a recent study to which I, unfortunately, cannot find the link) has made the poor poorer every time they have been in office for the past fifty years... To anyone who chooses to educate themselves about the actual facts, this speech only served to show how remarkably unpleasant and dishonest this particular politician can agree to be; I say agree because while McCain will talk about reconciliation tonight, his people wrote that speech, getting started even before they had their VP picked out, and it cannot be said with any assurance to reflect any opions other than theirs.

Posted by: Kate | September 4, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Usually only bigots & Republicans use the words "white trash" and "bimbo." Someone with as little home training as you doesn't represent me. And I have never voted Republican.

Posted by: Democrat but decent | September 4, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm sooooooo in love with Levi!!! I wonder how long it is before he starts cheating on his fat underage pregnant girlfriend? God 18yr old boys are so hot......I hope he likes 23yr old girls that will do anything. I hope all those other thousands of girls don't get to him first!

Call me Levi!!!!! Call me!!!!

Posted by: I LOVE LEVI!!!!! | September 4, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

The Palin/McCain ticket is a Bridge to Nowhere. You can be admiring it's construction and design and enjoy going across it, but once on the other side, you really went nowhere.

Posted by: juicebird | September 4, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

thank you - I thought I had missed something when I heard all the raves by the commentators - I kept thinking, did they hear the same speech I heard - or am I really that out of touch? And, we are not allowed to ask questions of this person who could, conceivably be president someday?!! - gimme a break!

come on people!

Posted by: sandra | September 4, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

I think she was great, and I am glad to see how hard all our democrat supporters have been trying to put her down and act like she's under qualified. Fear brings out the fight.

Posted by: Jeff | September 4, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

For Doctor Dave and all those who haven't noticed that Republicans have changed their tune on "woman-bashing," please watch the Daily Show -- just a few minutes -- just the parts where Republicans directly contradict themselves:

Posted by: Jean | September 4, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

I found her to be snarky. She certainly didn't show me that she was qualified to be a heartbeat away. Was that McCain's 3rd time meeting her on the stage last night? I saw him checking her name tag to be sure who she was .... what a joke

Posted by: Notafan | September 4, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin was an unknown less then a week ago. On Wednesday night she drew a TV audience that was about the same size as Obama had for his last speech.

It is very amusing to hear liberals talk about her having speech rights. They all have speech writers. But the liberal left has to go out of their way to point out that she does.

Not one liberal mentioned speech rights for any of the Democrats last week.

I would say they are running scared; and they should be! The Republicans have a VP nominee who is being compared to the Democrats Presidential nominee!

When has that ever happened before?

Posted by: Heather | September 4, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

3 days ago the Dems were snickering about Sarah Palin and questioning John McCain's judgement in choosing her as running mate.
Different tune now: Gov. Palin comes out as an intelligent, determined woman fully in touch with the American working class families that gave Hillary double-digit margins in Ohio and Pennsylvania.
Still question McCain's judgement in selecting her? Compare it to the selection of Joe Biden, who started his VP campaign by touting his wife's physical appearance and ridiculing her Ph.D.

Strategy... outmanouvering your opponents...
Do they teach that stuff at the Naval Academy?
Could explain how John McCain outwitted the Obama political machine.

Posted by: Georges Makhtouf | September 4, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Personally I thought her dismissal of the work carried out by community activists and workers was in appallingly bad taste and displayed a basic disconnect with the difficulties faced by ever increasing numbers of people in this country.

How long before we see this vacuous and spiteful woman let out from behind closed doors to face a serious interview with a serious journalist? I suspect we will truly lament the passing of Mr Tim Russert before this election is over.

Posted by: festinog | September 4, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

I thought the speech was pretty generic.

Posted by: Bill Crystal | September 4, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Ah, someone who listened to the words rather than the inflections and the crowd. i also appreciate that you do not sink to the invective. For my own part, last night's speech underscored my great disappointment with the Republican Party: it has become the party of lies and division. It was a speech of them vs us, with them (the media, Obama, Democrats) as the "bad guys" and us (Palin, McCain, the Republicans) as truth, justice, honesty and the American way. Well, that's not the real world; reality is more complex. it is sad that the party of Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt moves ever closer toward marginalizing itself. This time the Democrats offer candidates who are better equipped to deal with that complexity.

Posted by: Joe | September 4, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

I think what happened last night was that people wanted so badly for the speech to be great that they simply declared it to be so. Palin stood up and read a speech that said nothing new and offered no real substance, but she did it well. Maybe that really was all she needed to do, since she is the VP candidate. I suppose I didn't expect great revelations from Biden either.

Honestly, I think a lot of people were just so desperate for her to succeed that anything short of tripping and falling off the stage was going to rate a five star review. In a way, I don't really mind. No matter what your political affiliations are, you have to admit that last night was something of an historic occasion that moved the entire country forward. But it was only historic for what it represented, not for anything she said.

Posted by: Joe | September 4, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

The speech energized the base, but that is all. Independents like me will not be voting Republican this year. Eight years is enough. It's time for a change and I do not see the Republicans offering anything any different from the last eight years.

Posted by: Adrian | September 4, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

She's not suitable, unless McCain simply needs votes from the fringe Republicans (given, that's a large part of the party). Likely that's the only reason she got the call.

He could always replace her after the election, couldn't he?

But I'm tripping...McCain can't win this. He's unsuitable himself.

Posted by: seaweb | September 4, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Julie. . .I volunteer for a non profit. I wasn't insulted as it was a drawn comparison.

What issues has McCain "flipped" on? Immigration? Taxes? Iraq?

Instead, ask when he has stood up to his party. Immigration? Taxes? Iraq? And ask when Obama has done the same. And he has voted with Bush/Republicans 90 percent of the time. DUH! But what makes up the 10 percent. Any idea? Oh yeah, Immigration, Taxes, Iraq. . .oh, and global warming, torture, and earmark spending.

Is there a difference between Biden's attacks and Palin's? Should Reid be allowed to say "I can't STAND McCain" and not expect to get called on it? Is he setting a bipartisan example when he threatens to "punish" Lieberman for supporting a friend?

I look forward to your response.

Posted by: A true independent | September 4, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Covention sounds exactly like the the 2004 convention. WE will protect you. THEY will try to KILL you. If you don't choose our man WE will all DIE. My goodness can they at least switch it up a little bit. After not finding WMD's I think the american people are tired of the BS.

Posted by: Mack M. | September 4, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

What grade do children learn that we have 50 states? Because somebody still needs to teach Obama that we do not have 57+ states.

Also if you look at the bais of your newspaper it would flunk any evaluation of News report. The complete paper is an Opinion page.

You and your newspaper flunk!

Posted by: dean | September 4, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Typical Liberal garbage from the Post and it's enlightened light weights. You people amaze me with your stupidity. Now go back to your ivory towers and have a latte.

Posted by: ProAmerican | September 4, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I agree, her speech did nothing for me. There was no substance in any way, not one mention of any position on policy. Which is what I have been thinking all along. She has not stance on anything policy wise that affects this country right now.

Health care

All she has is her personal beliefs (which I am fine with for her) but we need more than this in a potential president and to be honest need more Judgement from McIdiot.

Sorry I am trying to stay above the fray there was once a time I respected John McCain but he just insults the american people more and more everyday.

Lets hope most americans can see through his political tricks and can elect somebody with a vision and hope for this country that can inspire people at home and take the current world oppinion of the US out of the gutter and be an icon again, or at least respected for having the ability to see the oportunity this country has right now.

Posted by: Nick | September 4, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Thank you E.J. I woke up at 2 a.m. this morning with fears that people would buy into the smokescreen of Palin as a reformer and brilliant choice for the Veep slot. I got out of bed and went to my computer to find some journalist willing to question whether the emperor has any clothes or not. I had difficulty finding anything. Granted, I didn't really give the press much time. I've been searching on and off all day and finally, finally you give me hope. Thank you sooooooooo much.

Posted by: anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

She reminds me of a nasty, attention-grabbing high school cheerleader. Nowhere near as good as she thinks she is.

Posted by: MotorCity | September 4, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

biden-didn't he copy a kennedy speech years ago and pass it off as his own when running for president years ago?? another unoriginal thinker that would qualify as a 'copy cat' in the 8th grade.

obama-gee.... he reads a prepared speech well and fumbles when he has to answer a question that he was not prepped for. he is yet another hot air dem who has no clue as to how to this job--sounds like he will run the country like an 8th grader.

Posted by: caa | September 4, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

The truth is this McCain Palin ticket based completely on personalities and not issues is the ticket to nowhere.

Posted by: Peter Roizen | September 4, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if anyone has explained to her what the Vice President does yet? I still don't think she knows.

I think one of their main responsibilities is talking to their children about pre-marital sex and how it is a sin. I guess that why she's the governor.

And speaking of governors....the bible has one in it.....his name was Pontius Pilot......and by coincidence it also has a Community Organizer......His name was Jesus.

Posted by: JUST WONDERING | September 4, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Dear Joe at 8:04pm-

Extremely well said.

Fondest regards,
The Democratic Warrior

Posted by: The Democratic Warrior` | September 4, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Dr. Dave.
Please don't use Hillary and Palin in the same sentence. Nobody's buying it.

Posted by: Joe pt 2 | September 4, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

If you just arrived from Mars and listened to the speeches over the last three nights of the Republican convention you never would guess that they controlled Congress and the White House for seven of the last eight years. What's more there wasn't much about what McCain or Palin would do differently than Bush and company.

Posted by: Perplexed | September 4, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I am glad that someone else noticed that Palin knocked down the limbo bar level expectations with her speech.

Is it sexist to expect so little?

Posted by: Rip | September 4, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Historic speech by Obama? Is that the best of Harvard can deliver? Have you forget that Obama drawn from the affirmative action to advance himself personally and politically and then turn around and belittle the african american community from being not up to his standard. Talking about being hypocrite.

Posted by: fat and dubious | September 4, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Why, E. J., I don't know you just don't blame it all on her public school education. After all, unlike McCain, Obama, Biden, or even you, she went to her local public school, Wasilla High, and not to a prep school. What could we reasonably expect from some a heathen?

And imagine the gall of that woman continuing to send her kids to public school unlike all the rest of those candidates. I guess that means she has more in common with the average American than you or the rest of the Beltway insiders.

We little people in the small towns of Appalachia and other battleground areas recognize it.

Posted by: J. Richardson | September 4, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a a typical republican bimbo. I can't believe her foreign policy experience is that alaska is next to russia. I guess since I live near an airport it makes me qualified to be a pilot

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

"Everyone on the left comments that her speech was prepared by a speech writer. Why didn't they say this about Biden, Carter, The Clinton's, Al Gore or any of the Democrats?"

nice comment by Heather. I thought of this myself when i heard more than one comment about this on TV. Apparently, they are all impressed that Obama wrote his own speech. It left me wondering if great speech writing skills are a requisite to be President these days. If so, there are thousands of those in the country who already pre-qualify. So does that make Obama a would-be President who happens to be a good speechwriter, or a good speechwriter who happens to be a would-be President?

Posted by: Alvin | September 4, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

It was an ugly speech: all the worst in American political discourse.

Why do we Americans so often applaud the posture of the self-satisfied, wise-cracking bully, lipstick or no lipstick, grinning one-liners of ridicule and contempt?

Not only in our politics, but also in our entertainment.

The entirety of Palin's presentation, from just-like-you-all average hockey mom to pitbull character assassin came off like the pitch scenario for another of those endlessly dreary, endlessly the same American family sit-coms we've all grown up on and can't quite get over.

Posted by: San Diego | September 4, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

One would expect the paid pundits and party affiliates to gush, and gush they did.
But there was nothing very impressive at all about her speech. She did not even seem to really believe what she was saying. And parading that poor new born in that setting was pandering of the worst sort. Poor kid is valuable as a prop, and his health and comfort should have been more important.
She did not make any particularly intelligent points, merely parroted the standard script. She was not in the least likeable, and far from warm. She reminds me of the mean girls in middle school who stop at nothing to show how popular they are. Her next in line to the oval office?Yikes.

Posted by: whatmatters | September 4, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Nice try by Sarah Palin to mock Obama and make a fun of him. She possibly forgot that Hillary Clinton did that for quite some time but even she gave up, IT DID NOT WORK! This was her only good chance and she blew it. Very amateur. Mr. Dione, RIGHT ON, I could not agree with you more!!!

Posted by: BOBSTER | September 4, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Palin's speech was just what I expected. Mean-spirited and small, all brought to you by the Christian right. The only "change" I see in this campaign is that a woman is leading the attack.

I wouldn't vote for McCain, but I'd love to see an intelligent, issues-based campaign. Unfortunately, all we're going to get is more of the same - personality driven and devoid of meaning. Ugh. It's going to be a long, ugly eight weeks.

Posted by: Mary | September 4, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse


She didn't sway Hillary voters, Independents or other democrats because her views are so different. She's too extreme and unrealistic.

Posted by: Charice | September 4, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I see that the general consensus is - you're not bowled over by Palin's speech. Why? because you expected her to sound like Obama. You expected the same kind of platform that the Democratic ticket has been riding. Because you had a preconceived notion of the speech's result - you failed to see beyond her speech's agenda - have a face and voice to her nomination. I'm sure you all heard what she said - but did any of you listen? "Personal attacks don't belong in Politics" ?!?! What politics have you grown to know? I am by no means defending the jabs over the Democratic candidates, but if she won't defend herself against Obama's and Biden's claims - who will? I know the ones who posted earlier won't!!!

Posted by: blank | September 4, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Jesus was a community organizer helping people in need. How dare you put down such an special job of wanting to help people that others are turning their back on them. I am a psychologist working for the state and ALL my clients are indigent with a big heart and compassion. My biggest lesson in life I have learned form them. They are God creation!!!!! What is wrong with you?????

Posted by: Isab | September 4, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

I have lost all respect for the Washington Post over the past few days. The level of unprofessionalism has been astounding. I think history will show that this election was a turning point for many in the liberal media.

Posted by: Terri | September 4, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

CBS) The presidential race between Barack Obama and John McCain is now even at 42 percent, according to a new CBS News poll conducted Monday-Wednesday of this week. Twelve percent are undecided according to the poll, and one percent said they wouldn't vote.

This is in contrast to a poll conducted last weekend, where the Obama-Biden ticket led McCain-Palin by eight points, 48 percent to 40 percent.

Posted by: haha obama is smoked | September 4, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

caa: It's worse than you think, Joe Biden plagiarized a speech by the British Labor leader Neil Kinnock, where Kinnock reminisced about the difficulties he faced growing up in Welsh coal country and being the first in his family to attend university.
All Biden did was replace Wales by Pennsylvania and then pretend the rest of it was his own life story!

Not that he lacked practice: Joe Biden was almost expelled from the Syracuse U. Law school for plagiarizing 5 pages out of his 15 page paper. He claims he didn't understand making footnotes.

And nobody questions placing this time-serving buffoon a heartbeat away from the presidency!

Posted by: Georges Makhtouf | September 4, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

At the end of the day, of course, it doesn't really matter what the Washington Post and the rusty east-coast political establishment think about her speech. What matters is main street. And from all accounts she's playing pretty well there.

Posted by: bix dugan | September 4, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

But if you think like i do
not but if you think, like i do

What an elite, bias piece

Posted by: c t langis | September 4, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Palin has been in the national spotlight for nearly a week. Has a single MSM reporter asked her a single question? I want her to try and deny that she attempted to ban books at her local library in Wasilla when she was on the city council. You know, those nasty pornagraphic books like "Catcher in the Rye", "Huckleberry Finn", or "To Kill a Mockingbird"...the usual suspects of the vile left. It's been reported that when the librarian refused to comply with her request, she was fired by Palin after she [Palin] became mayor. The uproar over this forced a rehire, but another sweeping reform came in the form of a budget cut for the library. Check this out for yourselves; it does sound pretty fanatical, but that is the crowd we are talking about, aren't we?

Posted by: Madisonhack | September 4, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

it just shows again how un-informed you are. It was not kennedy it was Neil Kinnock a labor leader from England. He had used the speech numerous times and accredited it to Mr Kinnock. One time he did not and payed the price and the press destroyed him and his campaign. Lessen learnt from a simple mistake, its not like the press went easy on him either. Its part and parcel of running a national campaign.

This is what annoys me most if you must make a statement have the decency to do some reseach and get your facts right! This sort of ignorance on actual facts and fact checking is what leads to voting on gossip and bias.

Posted by: Nick | September 4, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

It is unlikely that rancor will be eliminated from politics, if the rancorous comments in this comment area are any indication. I am one of the undecideds who has gone back and forth between Obama and McCain. I was entertained by her speech and believe that it was well delivered. I did not find it to be harsh. She used humor well to deliver the party line.

Posted by: Velent | September 4, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Mr. Dionne for expressing what I've been feeling all day. As an independent, I tried hard last night to listen with an open mind since I am still undecided. As another commenter stated, I too was offended by her condecension towards community organizers. She didn't really state her policies and the primary tone was sarcastic and patronizing. Already I am tired of her whining about the press, especially after she called Hillary Clinton a whiner. If she wants to characterize herself as a Pit Bull, she is opening herself to fighting with the strongest of the breed. I am leaning more strongly towards Obama every day. He stood up forcefully for her with the issue of her daughter's pregnancy, and will show her, as a person, nothing but the utmost respect as he did Hillary Clinton. She needs to start answering questions directly and be vetted by the press as all the other candidates have been.

Posted by: Carrie | September 4, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

The contrast between both Democrats and Republicans is clear. The questions we ask of our candidates are important like their judgment – Americans have a right to take a close look at McCain's choice of VP who is a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

I can see why people are not inspired by McCain's choice this was McCain running to the right, which left out the rest of America.

What doesn't inspire us is the Republicans are going after the media on this. We are talking about the mainstream media who are asking the questions that are on our minds about the decision making process of McCain.

Posted by: Concerned Voter | September 4, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

The public is judging Palin by the same low standaard that they apply to Obama and all other politicians. I'll be voting for a third-party candidate this year because neither the Democrats nor the Republicans are able to field a decent candidate in this era of low standards.

Posted by: Tommy D | September 4, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

If McCain were sincere about ending the rancor, he should have already done so. He did not recognize for over 26 tears what the people in this nation have been seeking!! An objective view of McCain profile (documentaries by CNN and others) , in the post Hanoi 5 1/2 year ordeal phase, after returning to US - one non-escapable fact is: opportunism at best. It is surprising why none of his colleagues or critics ever put brakes each time when mcCain claimed, in self praise, the maverick or the original maverick. It is embarrassing to see his opportunistic style.

Like both Bush senior and junior, McCain has gotten away with many improper behaviors and dis-service to the American people. These politicians keep up with lies as if there is no God that they so conveniently invoke when kissing the behind of their Base, which appears to be the lingering crowd of special interest (claim morality but practice immorality, blind interpretations of Faith, racist remnants, wannabe confederate, gun toting-tough talking, and those skilled with hateful expressions, etc.). That is the Base that essentially remains scared of "Change".

New generations do not find McCain to be an agent, who may inspire or bring about the change. He is so senile that he is not even aware that the "maverick" has already been consumed by the neocon-filled right wing and has blended with the base. Even if McCain were to come up with an independent thought, he has to get through to Rove, and he fails to get it.

Posted by: MP | September 4, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Her speech was offensive. I thought she would come off well, but she didn't come off well at all. I am Republican but I won't vote for her. I think I will write in Romney.

Posted by: Not Liking It | September 4, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

This article, a representative cross section of journalism today, is good if we were to ask say a 5th grader to write something similar.

Posted by: politicaljester | September 4, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

What Sara said was that a mayor was basically a community organizer with responsibilies.

that is not a putdown, she said it was part of her job.

Plus what about Obama campain putting down the job of a Mayor. Crazy.

Posted by: think | September 4, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

LOL!! Oh, Washington Post you are so pathetic in your scorn of everyone but Obamgabage. Everything the Repiblicans have said were true. Obama will raise taxes and starting with you jerks! lol!

Posted by: dragonfly777 | September 4, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Did Governor Palin remind anyone else of Dick Cheney last night??

Posted by: JLA | September 4, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

8th grade level, shrill, bar set too low...

Funny, 37 million watched last night - only 1 million less than speech given by the Lord ommipotent Barack Obama himself.

As for tone...listen to Biden, Reid, Pelosi and any other airhead Dem and then get back to me on that "tone" thing.

I love moron libs, they love freedom of speech until you disagree with what they believe and then the fangs come out.

As for the "uneducated" followers of the right, aren't the protesters in St. Paul (you know the ones, slashing tires, breaking windows) all libs? who's uneducated

Posted by: Josh | September 4, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

"There is only one way to understand the rave reviews that some are giving Sarah Palin’s speech: People expected her to be a blithering fool and were shocked that she could read a decent speech prepared for her by the McCain campaign. She is being judged by much too low a standard."

Oh, is that the one way to understand it?

What an idiot you are.

Is this all you can come up with to try to redeem your pathetically sexist, patronizing article earlier this week that posited, with no really coherent supporting reasoning, that the difference between Harriett Miers and Sarah Palin was that Palin passed right wing litmus tests?

That stupid article got you mentioned in a few hall of fame of stupid, sexist, belittling articles this week.

What a pathetic jerk you are.

Oh, that's how to rationalize your sexist incoherent biased treatment of Sarah Palin. There was some grand frame-of-reference issue (also not of your doing, but someone else's cognitive dysfunction).

Give it up. You've been I.D.'d, tagged and called out as an irrational sexist biased Washington Post election year propaganda spewer.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 4, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Dear blank at 851pm:
You said"You expected the same kind of platform that the Democratic ticket has been riding."

We did not expect the same platform from Sarah Palin. We expected an ANSWER to the platform that the democratic ticket is riding. And no where in her speech did she offer that, hence the 8th grade standards that she has set for herself.

The Democratic Warrior

Posted by: The Democratic Warrior | September 4, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness for a woman who understands public education and the fact that most of us can't afford to send our children to the "Ivy League"...
Small town America might finally get some representation. Most of us live there anyway. It's too bad the elite rich run the place...
Democrats should be scared of this lady. She represents most people in this country.

Posted by: Jeff | September 4, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

It all starts in High School, doesn't it. Our team against your team. The bands, the cheerleaders, the we are better than you, smarter than you, stronger than you. And it is fed by the conviction that somehow God KNOWs that we are on his side, the right side.
Most of you are nasty, self centered, selfish, narrow-minded and impolite, to say the least. No wonder our politicians are a reflection of the greater society. They have to pander to the rest of us - Yea Team!

Posted by: Dan L | September 4, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Dream on Democrats. Let's wait for the polls.

Posted by: mark | September 4, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

She said what? She was a pit bull with lip stick?

Ax yawat’aayi x’éit yis.á Rove and Schmidt!

This is serious she is trying to steal the Pet Owner Votes!

Democrats are courting all Republican and Independent Pet owners
and their family! You heard right! Their Pets are their Family too!

We will not concede Talking Dog fans!

We will not concede Funny Cat fans!

Gunalchéesh ax x’éit yisa.aaxí

Yéil naax xat sitee

Change we can believe in!

Vote Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Raven Yéil's Daughter | September 4, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I am still on the fence with who to vote for.
I was suprised by the speech and thought she did a very good job with it.

It is her job to talk up Mcain and take Obama to task.

Just as it was Binden job to talk up Obama and take Mcain to task.

I still favor Obama but I will take another look at Mcain because of her and was impressed with how she stood up for herself against these sick attacks. I was proud Obama also said her kids were off limits.

Posted by: obamafan | September 4, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm so glad that someone wrote an article like this. I thought that speech was not at all special. The negativity, sarcasm and excessive talk about family, negativity, turned me off big time. The speech itself was nothing great. She's an OK speaker but nowhere near the level a VP ought to be. I have NO idea why even the NYTimes and CNN keep talking about her like they talk about Obama in terms of speaking ability. Ridiculous.

Posted by: Sohail Ahmed | September 4, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse


There is a cartoon showing a person like you reporting from Obama's little finger. You fit the mold.

How dare you suggest Palin was expected to sound like an 8th grader and everyone was surprised at her speech because it was better. You are not a professional, and you have no class. Grow up!!

Posted by: Jerry York | September 4, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Palin is Cheney with lipstick. Both Mc Cain and Palin puppets of Rove and Schmidt who brought us surprse Bush and Cheney. ENOUGH. Our country cannot afford anymore of these clowns. The economy, Iraq a trillion dollar and 3500 lives fiasco and counting, energy independence, global warming. Mc Cain tonight cannot even use a teleprompter and his soul mate last night galvanized our side who sent in anohter ten million to Obama in fourteen hours. No How No Way No McCain. Anyone can work a room with five days of behind the scenes training by the folks who wrote the speech. In a week or so we will hear the truth about her affair with her husbands business partner and the spin on how they represent traditional american family values. No lady we want our libraries to have books, we dont want only intelligent design taught to our children, God did not want us in Iraq, you do not get to choose what our women do with their bodies only your own. NoWay No How No Mc Cain! YES WE CAN!

Posted by: Col JOSEPH BENTO US ARMY RET | September 4, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

E.J. Dionne once again proves himself to be a partisan hack. Are you implying that Obama's "historic" speech was written by the Mesiah?. What rubbish. I only hope that America wakes up that the only real accomplishment is his ability to read a teleprompter. If this Marxist do-nothing becomes president, we're in trouble. Let's organizer, state senator, U.S. Senator. None of these are executive positions. As Rudy Guiliani so aptly pointed out, Senator Obama voted present so he didn't have to make a real decision. It took him 3 days to decide what his position was on Georgia. He's thrown so many people under the bus that it's getting awfully crowded under there.

Posted by: Jeff in PDRM | September 4, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

She's a moron.

Posted by: loserpalin | September 4, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Let's not put too much stock in how someone speaks. Adolf Hitler was a powerful speaker; he made it point to be a very good speaker--he took lessons. The outcome was not very good.

So, perhaps we should put style and looks aside and take a look at the person's record and the actual substance of their words. We should ferret out the lies and the near lies. We certainly shouldn't let ourselves get emotionally carried away.

Martin Luther King's great speech stands up in part because of his speaking style but mostly because the words bear no lies or attacks. The words are sincere, selfless and they work.

Me, I'm always worried when I hear a Nuremburg crowd whichever side it's on.

Posted by: Matt Huggable | September 4, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

It's no surprise that all you liberals from the washington and big city elite, didn't like Sarah. The democrats need to keep their sticky fingers out of my pocket and out of my gun cabinet. Go Sarah!!!

Posted by: LARRY HEFFNER | September 4, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

"People expected her to be a blithering fool"

Oh, and just exactly why was that now? Could it have possibly been the wall-to-wall barrage of negative smears and junk hurled at her and McCain from the time he announced his pick to her speech?

You dug your own hole MSM.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Palin’s Education Policy

One out of 20 children entering ninth grade in Alaska will have a college degree 10 years later, making the state one of the worst in postsecondary-education in the nation. Alaska's efforts to improve the dropout problem have also sunk. More than one in three ninth-graders will leave school before getting a diploma. These results from a new state study show a faltering Alaska education system.

The report found Alaska ranking at the bottom of educational attainment indicators -- from getting children through high school to achieving an advanced degree in a timely manner. Alaska is 8th from the bottom in the nation among states in the number of ninth-graders graduating four years later. 4th from the bottom in high school seniors going directly to college. Last in the number of college freshmen receiving a bachelor's degree within 150 percent of the normal program length.

"This really sends the message of how immediate the need is and the gravity of the situation," said Diane Barrans, executive director of the state's Postsecondary Education Commission, which released this study.

The problem is cultural. Alaska is a state of individualism, people doing their own things. Most of the debates and policies are Drill! Drill! Welfare! Welfare! “Like a sieve, kids are falling away and the Palin Government has not figured how to address the issue. She has given a blind eye on the subject. Her main agenda is
to increase revenue and work force in Alaska by encouraging people to be pro-life in all cases including rape.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I agree she did nothing to alleviate my concerns about her experience. She seemed to just read the common Republican talking points about Obama. Sorry, but I've heard those already. I wanted some new information.

Posted by: Franklin | September 4, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

The rights of women are not served by having a single ideology, in which all women are subscribed. Defining women’s rights in such a way denies the many voices of women, and their diversity of views. Ideology is the power of slavery and the enemy of independent free thinking.

Palin is labeled as anti woman because she does not support abortion. I think the right to choose, is the right to say that you can be feminist without supporting abortion. That you can be for responsibility, for birth control, that there are other options besides abortion.

On the issue of gay rights, there is civil marriage which is a legal contract binding two citizens together in a partnership. I can see no legal reason for anyone to restrict this right to enter into a partnership as long as one can enter the agreement with a sound mind as in any legal contract. As for the religious definition of marriage that should be left to religious groups to define.

The democratic ideals sought by the founders of our country embraced the idea, of freedom, by granting freedom to others with whom we have opposing views. Our collective freedom is guaranteed only by allowing the other to have freedom to oppose our views.

As a nation our greatest strength is the diversity of voices and opinions we have as citizens. In this election, I choose to embrace diversity by supporting local democrats, while supporting the Republicans in the Presidency. Why? I think the democrats, and the mass media at large, have subverted the voices of middle class, working families. Democratic leadership with help from the mass media has injected their opinions, and desires, for those of whom they represent. They have the opinion, that they know what is best. After all, we are a republic, not a true democracy. The problem as I see it is that we have the worst of both. We elect our leaders in a popularity contest, which we call democratic, while we are governed as a republic.

The democratic leadership, made a political calculation in which they felt that they could ignore the will of middle class America, and women in particular, because what choice did they have but come back and support the candidate they chose, due to issues such as abortion, and gay rights. The democrats have played the fear card that they have stated is reprehensible, complaining that the republicans have used fear in past elections to win.

The stakes cannot be higher. If the democrats prevail, it will signal to Democratic leaders that middle class Americans can be taken for granted. It means that your power to influence government is diminished. This result must be avoided at all costs. Defeat means an America, ever more divided, further separating from the middle and moving toward the extremes. If history is to be a teacher, then we should look to Rome. Rome's strength was her middle, and when it was lost, Rome was lost.

Voting for McCain/Palin is a matter of voting country first. It is stepping outside of us and doing what is best for the whole. A large group of people today have grown up in an innately selfish world. They have little experience in relegating themselves to the common good of all. If America is to once again regain her luster, we must once again place ourselves as servants to the idea of America.

Posted by: Kimberly Peacock | September 4, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Summary of Article: I'm a Democrat and was never voting for McCain/Palin anyway.

Quesstion: If you gripe about Palin and her ability to read a teleprompter, then you have to hold Obama to the same standarsd sir.

By the way, her teleprompter went out during her speech. I wonder if Obama can wing a speech.

Posted by: Derek | September 4, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Alfred Hitchcock | September 4, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Sound like a bunch of Democratic would lickers here..Reminds me of the good ol' boys club..Typically Democratic, typically wrong

Posted by: anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I watched the Palin convention speech and it was just dreadful. What has gone so awry in our politics that this empty and nasty evangelical "hockey mom" could be so close to the presidency? I find myself thinking, if the Republicans have to win this election, can we just extend W's term? Better this current state of ideologized neoconservative madness than the random and undisciplined redneck tyranny of this pair.

Posted by: Brian | September 4, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

"I also suspect that the harshness of parts of her speech turned off moderate independents, especially women who tend not to like attack campaigning. On that, the polls will tell." -- that's a joke, right?

Palin and McCain have been subjected to repellent, abusive, ugly and stupid attacks by Democrats and the left, and Palin's few sarcastic comments morph into "attack campaigning"? Dionne, examine your conscience and admit you are a flack for Obama.

Posted by: Willard Zed | September 4, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I was a Hillary supporter, but after last night I am voting McCain. All of my girlfriends feel the same way.

Posted by: Wendy h. | September 4, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Where oh where is the maverick in either McCain or Palin? I'm not hearing them speak to the American people and challenging them to take public transportation or that they will champion improving infrastructure. At least Obama is prodding the auto industry to improve gas mileage. I'm not hearing that McCain or Palin are rallying funds for augmenting our infrastructure or encouraging our corporations to make decisions that favor our longterm environmental and economic needs. Again, Obama has sought to connect w/the auto industry and to understand what it would take for them to make the kind of changes American automakers could make that would allow American jobs to stay in the US and that would create cars that reduce our need for fuel.
Everywhere I've travelled, outside the US I've been able to use public transportation. I'm hearing from McCain and Palin more drilling is a solution to our oil/gas prices at the pump. There is no connection of oil/gas prices for potential future drilling and the prices at the pump today.
High prices are the result of the profiteering by the oil and gas companies with their reported obscene profits in our time of prices that challenge the American worker is ochestrated by the oil and gas companies and the lobbyists hired to support them.
Sarah Palin knows the system well.
McCain had to make his cause for overcoming the evils of earmarks, not because he is a maverick, but to distract the American public from his good old boy politics. The label "maverick" was one he liked. The press liked him, and it stuck.

Posted by: whyiask | September 4, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse


No, Palin did not remind me of Dick Cheney.

Cheney has national and foreign policy experience.

The only thing they have in common is "Drill, Drill, Drill."

You'd think that after 8 years of two oil men in the White House, Americans would have enough sense to pass on an oil woman.

Posted by: Ocean Beach | September 4, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Well let's see name calling is learned in kindergarten so I see that even at 8th grade she has a much higher standard than you lefties here.

Posted by: Ronald | September 4, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

It's all been said in the dozens of comments above. Palin competently delivered a typical vague Republican political ramble. No substance, no intelligence and no hope!!!

Posted by: ricksb | September 4, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Dear Larry Heffner at 8:58pm:

Us democrats promise to keep our sticky fingers out of your pocket and your gun cabinet as long as you righties promise to keep your judgements out of the decisions regarding my vagina.

The Democratic Warrior

Posted by: The Democratic Warrior | September 4, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm scratching my head this morning. Did the media watch the same speech I did? I'll be the first to admit I'm an Obama supporter, but I think I can be objective too. (Obama's last debate performance against Clinton was terrible for instance and I'm on the fence about drilling)

Sarah Palin seems like a nice person, but way out of prime-time. Washington is going to chew her to pieces. Her timing wasn't that good and her finest points were about her family. She also came across as condescending at moments. Like him or not, what Obama has accomplished throughout his life and this campaign is extraordinary and it should be respected.

Who the hell is she to mock anyone? What’s wrong with being a community organizer? Those people are helping their communities and the less fortunate. Not only that but her facts were dead wrong. Biden got many, many more votes than her for instance.

Why won’t she talk to the press? Because is clear, she needs to be prepped and educated about what to say. One speech and the media is ready to elect her. I mean, she read a script someone else wrote! I'm hearing "she’s the real deal", "we now know who she is today". I mean people get a grip on reality. She hasn't had 1 interview! Shes has been in the public for 4 days!

This is a political gimmick and everyone knows it, even Republicans. It’s not only insulting to women but to our country as a whole. McCain only met her once. I’ve had job interviews where I went through more vetting. Sure she may impress, but the fact remains McCain's judgment is dangerous and reckless. You don't "gamble" at our country's expense for votes. ”Country First”?

How can McCain supporters get on TV and look at the camera with a straight face and proclaim they know she is ready to lead our country in the event she would have to when most of them have never even heard of her. Are we that stupid? Obama has been proving himself everyday for almost 2 years straight since he decide to run for president.

Obama passed the Commander-in-Chief threshold. The argument may have had some validity 20 months ago, but not almost 2 years later after passing several metrics over a long period time. He has met with world leaders who embraces his policy and judgment, put together a plan to take the country in a new direction, beat the Clintons, won 18 million votes, has been vetted in and out, had over 20 debates, 100's of interviews, built the best campaign in history by us the people and won the Democratic nomination all with the handicap of being a minority. Who else in history can make the same claim?

Palin by contrast has 60 days to prove herself with far, far less metrics to pass. Obama earned his nomination and the right to challenge anyone for the presidency -Palin was appointed. Those two things are fundamentally worlds apart. 2 months simply isn't enough time to make a sound decision. VP's matter this time. McCain is a 72 year old cancer survivor.

Palin doesn’t have more experience than Obama either. She has been a governor for less than 2 years of the least populated and one of the most remote states in the country. It's one thing to metaphorically be not of Washington, but Palin is too far outside Washington and world experience to face what will be required of her. Even if you’re against it, you better know how it works and what you’re up against.

Certainly, die hard conservatives will fall in line and vote McCain no matter what, but I have to believe this is not going to fly with the majority of Americans. There are 2 wars, issue of China, Russia, Iran, Israel, oil and energy, a failing economy, huge deficit on and on. This isn’t a game.

No one, not one Republican even mentioned Sara Palin’s name in the almost 2 years since the primaries were announced. Not one TV program segment, not one national article, not one mention. Now all these puppets are willing to just get behind her without even knowing anything about her and try to convince the American public she is prepared to be VP or President while they gave Obama hell for 20 months straight? Not even uncertain objectiveness, caution, pause

Posted by: Dano | September 4, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Governor Palin delivered one of the most powerful speeches I have ever seen. She came out and proved that she is a leader who is not afraid to go against anyone, including her own party. The democrats are going crazy. They don't know how hardly anyone in America knew this woman two weeks ago, and now she can bring 37 million viewers in to watch her speech. She is a threat to Obama's celebrity, and they can't stand it.

Posted by: Alex | September 4, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Palins speech was awesome. Most of all because it answered the most important question. Who and what is she doing this for. Its obvious Obamas only doing it for his own ego...2 books but no legislation.
HAHAHAHAHA. I cant wait till the Obama puppet is gone.

Posted by: bob | September 4, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

She read a speech off a teleprompter written by one of President Bush's long time speech writers. By that standard, any newscaster, indeed anyone who can read without stuttering all over themselves is qualified to sit in the Oval Office.

Which makes the people gushing all over her performance and actually declaring her the new star of the Republican Party to look like they must be out of their minds.

Posted by: Matt | September 4, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Dione is a lapdog for the DNC passing himself off as a journalist. His ilk are why people aren't buying newspapers and the Washington Post is laying off hundreds of employees. The old liberal media is on it's way out because they are partisan Democrats.
What the liberal bloggers on this site that are viciously attacking Sarah Palin and her family need to do is put a hand on each cheek and pull their collective heads out of Obama's backside long enough to take a breath.
McCain/Palin 2008

Posted by: Samantha | September 4, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

What an awful speech. How dare she belittle Obama for being a community organizer. Graduated from Harvard Law and going on to be a community organizer- what an impressive thing to do- a spirit of giving back to the community that self-absorbed folks like Palin can not comprehend.
She is a damn pitbull, with or without the lipstick.
She is going after Obama and alienating mnany folks along the way.
Palin's speech made me run to my computer and donate even more money to Obama's campaign.

Posted by: JUDI CASEY | September 4, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

I thought it was me, but Dionne, your comments summed up my feelings that there was nothing "wow" about her speech. But the TV pundits were just foaming at the mouth with accolades. She read a speech that was prepared for her by the McCain camp. What is so special about reading a teleprompter? When she can demonstrate that she has a grasp of complex domestic and foreign policy issues facing the American people, they can then say she is ready for prime time.

Posted by: Stone | September 4, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Lets See,

Obama thinks judges can change the constitution according to "evolving standards" in complete contradtiction to the Federalist and every one of the Founding Fathers. Paine says Obama's interpretation of the power of Judges renders our government unconstitutional. The Fed is evolving from Servant to Master. That is all

Its one thing to illegally usurp power hile in office (humans of any political stripe will do that) but quite another to advocate doing so as policy.

Whatever the Democratic Party once was, It is now blatantly anti-american, socailist (bordering on Communist) and going against the very values the Founders fought for- Individual Freedom (to make our own decisions and opportunities) and EQUALITY of PROCESS.

Given the prospect of Liberal Tryanny by Citizens of the World, for my own good, and repeal of the American Revolution, I have no choice but to vote for McCain.

When are the old-school democrats going to wake up nd realize ther party has been hijacked? Zell saw it. Lieberman is about to be ex-communicated by the "Tolerant" Dems, becuse the last thing they can stand is individuals making thier own decisions about right and wrong.

Posted by: Weisshaupt | September 4, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Wendy, I'm glad to hear it. You'll be glad if you do. What state are you in? I hope it's a swing state.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

The "liberal media", the very group that Palin attacked, appears to be gushing over Palin's speech. Funny that the McCain campaign cries fowl whenever the media reports something negative about themselves, but simply ignores it when positive reporting is done on their behalf.

If one campaign does worse than another, then they will get more negative coverage. The media has no obligation to make sure that both sides get equal positive and negative attention. What they are obligated to do is bring an equal amount of attention to the actions of both sides equally, regardless of whether those actions are positive or negative.

Palin did a good job giving her speech, although the things she said made me cringe. If the "liberal media" was as bias as the McCain campaign says, they wouldn't be saying such positive things about the speech. They would be focusing only on the pure negativity coming out of Palin's mouth.

Posted by: Paul | September 4, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

"Heather" said this:
It is very amusing to hear liberals talk about her having speech rights. They all have speech writers. But the liberal left has to go out of their way to point out that she does.

Not one liberal mentioned speech rights for any of the Democrats last week.

When has that ever happened before?

Posted by: Heather | September 4, 2008 8:43 PM

WTF does that mean? "Speech rights"? Does anybody have a retard-to-normal- American dictionary on them so I can get a translation?

Sheesh! Now I know why Dubya got elected twice. There's no hope for America as long as ignoramuses like Heather are allowed to vote.

Posted by: neocons are deluded | September 4, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I echo the above post that I have lost all respect that I had for the media in this country. As an undecided voter, a major factor has been how the newspapers and television talking heads have treated Gov Palin before she even gave her speech. I am amazed to see the feminists like Gloria S. attack without remorse a fellow women breaking down the walls of sexism. Apparently you can't be conservative and believe in women's equality. Another comment was that they were upset she had said some zingers against the dem ticket. Did they not listen to Biden's speech just a week ago. This is politics. Get a spine. For this election I will vote for McCain/Palin. The iberal media doesn't get it.

Posted by: ohioundecided | September 4, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait to see McCain get elected! Then he keels over before the 1st 100 days. Palin gets sworn in as President. Let's see how a pit bull with lipstick deals with Putin.

The problem I have with Republicans is nothing comes out of their mouth except mean vitriol. Listening to their speeches is like watching a sandlot bully in kindergarten.

Posted by: Ramon | September 4, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I planned on writing in Ron Paul but when I heard MCain picked a woman I must admit the female in me got excited. Unfortunately that excitement was short-lived. I wanted Palin to tell me WHO SHE IS but all I heard was a sarcastic shrew talking about redneck pride and spitting on everyone else.
She embarrasses me as a woman and I am disappointed.
But at least I still have Ron Paul :-)

Posted by: Dawn | September 4, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I am an independent man. However, i actually thought Sarah Palin's speech was better than Obama's. Unlike Obama who just said more questions than answers, Sarah answered the media by not saying anything about her daughter. It was her way of telling the media "but out of it". She also did answer all the reasonable questions like her experience (even though I thought she always had good foreign policy in not trying to get in others business and that we won't have to be if we get off foreign oil). The reason she answered it sarcastically was not to tell the media shut up but instead to tell them she's not there to satisfy their needs

Posted by: Jorge del Paulo | September 4, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

The old fool is thinking w/ his other head. Cindy, he dumped his first wife for you. He has now dumped you. Congratulations!

Posted by: matt | September 4, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Here is what is going on in Obama back yard.

CHICAGO (CBS) ― An estimated 123 people were shot and killed over the summer. That's nearly double the number of soldiers killed in Iraq over the same time period.

Posted by: obama state | September 4, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Most of the comments made in regards to last night have been made by people who are so out of touch with reality that it defiantly will not surprise me when the Republicans take the high office again. As an independent, I have voted both Republican and Democrat in the last 18 years. The hate and loathing attitudes reflected in our society are so disturbing that this years presidential race has become one giant joke. On one side, we have the party that is suppose to be "tolerant" of others...on the other side we have a party that is suppose to reflect the "morality" of the people.

So, Democrats spew forth their total lack of tolerance and Republicans show their misplaced morals. It's sad, really it is. We the people need to step the hell up and understand this rather then have bloggers (oh I mean journalists) tell us who is right and who is wrong. We have an administration that tried to do what is right and failing on so many levels that I can't begin to think about it without crying. But, that was then and this is today. McCain isn't Dubya, just as Obama isn't Kennedy. They are their own men and both (regardless of what one side preaches) will accomplish more good for this country then the previous 8 years. People, my fellow Americans......GROW UP and stop the total lack of respect when hearing another persons opinion. Republican or Democrat....we are ALL Americans.

Posted by: Duncan McKeith | September 4, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Thank God for you people, I thought I was an idiot for not liking this really bad speech.

Posted by: Thank god | September 4, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I see that the general consensus is - you're not bowled over by Palin's speech. Why? because you expected her to sound like Obama. You expected the same kind of platform that the Democratic ticket has been riding. Because you had a preconceived notion of the speech's result - you failed to see beyond her speech's agenda - have a face and voice to her nomination.


I agree, if the point was to put her up on the stage and let people look at her, then job well done. I don't think her speech itself was bad -- I just don't think it was much of anything at all. Again, if that was the point, then so be it. As far as substance goes, you have to admit there wasn't really anything there though, right?

Posted by: Joe | September 4, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

After listening to Rudy G going on and on for 45 minutes, it was refreshing to hear about Palin's family and put a face to the names. Then the rhetoric came...not unexpected at a convention. The delivery was very effective and I cringed a few times at the jabs on Obama. But I was left still wondering what she was about, what her positions were on the issues, and just who she was besides a fiesty hockey mom. Her speech just wasn't filled with enough substance. Perhaps that's too much to ask for a speech at a convention.
Just one black woman's opinion (OBWO)

Posted by: OBWO | September 4, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I've never seen such panic by Barry Soetoro's (BHO's many aliases)minions. A FEMALE actually opened her mouth and rivaled BHO's recent speeches. Misogynistic fever runs rampant in the land of Camelot.
Some lament the choice of Palin, if it only was another. Reality is that any female on any ticket would be savaged. Witness Hillary and her treatment.

What is it that has the Soetorobots going crazy, that she has more experience then the combined Obama/Biden ticket? Although true, that can't be it.

Could it be Barry's lack of experience at anything other then speaking ?
Could it be that Barry's history is about to catch up with him, what if his crack dealer wanted to get a book contract, were there just a few crack dealers or many, what if Michelle Obama's work with Richard Daley and the Daley machine was not all exposed yet, how did sealed divorce documents appear mysteriously two month prior to election day, resulting in Obama's Senate win, will Rezko have more to say about his real estate dealings with Obama, what if "The Rev. Wright's" hateful sermons had pictures of Obama at them.

What if the birth certificate touted as the real thing proves to be anything but. Is there still a question about his citizenship?

Is it that the "Swiftboaters" are checking into Barry's affairs prior to Michelle, who did he date, how long, any issues he needs to come clean with.

With all that said, Obamabots have no doubt about BHO's qualification for the highest office. Yet question the second seat on the Republican side who is a real American with a real birth certificate.

Posted by: starryperdun | September 4, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

When I saw th speech last night I was not impressed. Everyone said how well she would do. Her speech lacked anything of substance. The attacks like was said in the article turned me off.

Like the article said people who were already decided liked it, but I dont think it won over those that wanted to like it, which is where I stand. I was ready for something compelling and I didn't get it.

Posted by: mpresley | September 4, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I can't support her or McCain but your 'analysis' is absurd. It was a well written, beautifully delivered, pointed speach that covered all the conservative ground that McCain is moving away from. His 'pit bull' will likely hold the party faithful while John tries to rally the center. I expect more from the Post.

Posted by: exCalifRep | September 4, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I just watched the shamefully disrespectful interview of Barack Obama by Bill O'Reilly.
He sneered, interrupted, and tried to bully a man who could be the next president. Why are people like him always attacking "the media" when they are media, too? O'Reilly's show was so mean-spirited and ugly, I had to leave the room twice.

On a happier note, the way Barack Obama stood up to O'Reilly, I thought, yes, he can face down the bullies of this world. He maintained his composure and every train of thought. AND, unlike Bill O'Reilly, he was a gentleman the entire time.
Talk about presidential!!
Obama/Biden '08.

Posted by: Annabelle | September 4, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Everybody is talking about how she can read the speech, she was anchor for god seek, if she can not read the prompter who can ?

Posted by: Tony | September 4, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Palins speech left me feeling proud of our great country. She made it very clear that personal attacks would be swiftly met with her quick and witty tongue. I wonder if Obama can rap quicker than her? Maybe he should go on the offensive with your mama insults.

As far as this article, its just more left wing attacks by the liberal media to deny the truth about the Republican party. A stable economy free from wild swings benefits the poor and middle class in the long run. Do we need another huge wild ride with exhilarating highs and desolate lows? I think not. McCain-Palin is the only ticket that will provide a stable economy and keep our taxes at a reasonable level, while continuing to protect every American from these terrorist that are intent on destroying our great nation.

Posted by: ScottScott | September 4, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

what I like most are the right-wing responses...they are kind of funny to read...their shock that mediocre is just mediocre not to mention the shock that 'real' americans have the audacity to disagree with their new 'jesus' --> Palin.

Some how they are the ones born with american freedoms....and since we dare question Palin and McCain we are sexists and should be censured. If Palin speech didn't exemplify bush nothing will, and you are beyond reach along with those rogue clinton supporters

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

The Repubs seem pretty desperate. They have annointed Palin as some sort of She God after knowing her for a week. To me her executive experience in an oil rich state, coupled with her creationist Christian beliefs make her way to similar to Bush, and we don't need anymore of that.

Now the Repubs have become the party of change, and they want a change from their own party. Pretty desperate.

Posted by: MEB | September 4, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

If you had done some strategic thinking, you would see that she delivered the right speech for the right time. It was well constructed and brilliantly delivered. You can't say everything in one speech, just as you can't say everything in one column. So lighten up. She's a smart lady, a bit inexperienced, but she'll catch on quick. I like to find out more about someone before I get too critical. If you journalists were held to the same standards you hold our politicians to, deeply analyzing everything you ever wrote, your careers would be short lived. Why not at least acknowledge she had tremendous entertainment value last night. I like different types of entertainment and the Sarah channel started off really great. It beats the hell our of this Barakomania we've been subjected to for 2 years.

Posted by: JAE | September 4, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

How to listen to a Republican campaign speech:

1) Make a list of all the accusations against the Democrat (elitist, out of touch with working people, tax and spend, indulging in character assassination, etc.)

2) Substitute 'Republican' for 'Democrat'.

You'll realize that all the accusations could actually be made -- with more validity -- against the GOP.

Plus they're weak on national security. That's why we're stuck in a war -- they don't know how to extricate us.

Posted by: samson151 | September 4, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a remarkable woman and has done a lot and I can only commend her for that. Good for her to be in the position she is in.

But let me make one thing clear, for many women and especially myself as a Hilary supporter she is no Hilary Clinton. Her policies are totally polar to what hilary stands for.

She has no idea on policy or issues
Other than oil
She against pro-choice and is why the base is so galvanized they see her as being the ticket to overtrhow Roe vs Wade, and they might just do it.

I am surprised that any Hilary support is supporting Palin, it is a disgrace to what Hilary stands for.

I am shocked that the McCain campaign believe women will follow palin just because she is a stong woman. We have enough sense to vote for the policies and issues that are right for this country.

This is not a gender issue, I truly wish people would stop making it one.

Posted by: Wendy | September 4, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

E.J., you're a brilliant policy analyst, but you have a tin ear for politics.

Although there were admittedly some throwaway shots, her job was to introduce herself and to make the case why the other guys aren't the right choice. She did that, and it's McCain's job to make the case for the GOP.

Obama does have two books and no laws to his credit. McCain did fight for us, and neither of the Ds did. Sorry you don't like that truth, and that the posters find it insulting.

Sarah Palin's points may not be dispositive, but they were relevant, on point and delivered with great humor.

Did you flame Ann Richards like this?

Posted by: In Ohio | September 4, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Why stop at juvenile and sophomoric, why not call the speech mean spirited and divisive. Let’s review; Palin was attacked non-stop for the past 4 days and yet managed to weather the storm. So when her speech is received with rave reviews you have to not only attack her on a new level but belittle anyone who thought the speech was inspiring, heart-felt and moving.

JE better get use to it. Let me give you a preview of her next speech – how about a preview of the axis of incompetency – Barack, Pelosi and Reed, oh my!

Posted by: Joe | September 4, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Great speech for Sarah Palin. I think it calls out to a lot of us who are kind of caught in the middle as to who we should vote for. She made it clear to me...she is not part of the institution and I like that. The Dems are deeply engraved in Washington Politics, and let us not forget, who runs Congress??? She made a lot of good points that I thought were fair counter-attacks. Sometimes the truth hurts. Frankly, after all the attacks on her this past week, I was actually excited to see her bark back. I realize Palin will not appeal to the elite left; but, she does appeal to middle America. I think we, the working Moms and Dads have found someone we can really connect with, and someone not afraid to "say it like it is". I am sold on the Mccain Palin ticket

Posted by: Aaron | September 4, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

The only reason this wasn't the most sarcastic speech of the year was that she was preceded by the three stooges, Romney, Huckleberry, and "America's Mayor"-from an east coast liberal town.

Romney pointed out that Republicans understand that we must defeat Muslim radicals. Then I guess we can turn on other fringe religious groups like... Never mind.

Huckleberry talked about the dangerous ideas that Obama brings back from Europe.

America's Mayor, as he was titled by the evil, liberal, media belittled the role of a community organizer and talked about how much executive experience Palin had as a mayor.

Search Google Images Wasilla, Alaska's city hall. Looks like the kind of place that provides on-the job training for a president... Not!

And then Sarah. Sarcastic, whining, didn't check her facts. Obama has sponsored legislation for ethics reform, securing weapons of mass destruction. I guess if you throw enough moose crap against the wall, some of it might stick. More of the same from the GOP. Business as usual. Vote for us or you will die and the Dems will tax your heirs too.

Posted by: JH | September 4, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Palin's speech was brillant. I've changed my vote. I vote McCain/Palin because that is how change will really come to Washington D.C.

Posted by: Boca Democrat | September 4, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Finally, some one points out the truth

Posted by: Robert Hurley | September 4, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I just wish both parties would stop the attacks and start working for we the people again.

Posted by: obamafan | September 4, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I'll admit that Palin's speech was weak and amateurish, if you'll admit that Obama's speech last week was pure drivel - a hodgepodge of sentiments whose internal contradictions prevent them from being gathered into anything approaching a sensible policy program.

Palin did nothing but attack. This showed that she won't be cowed by the media feeding frenzy of the past week. It's patently true that it does nothing to counter assertions that she knows nothing about foreign, monetary, or fiscal policy or other issues that the federal government has unconstitutionally arrogated from the states. She'll have to do something about that if she wants to win - at least let's hope she would have to do something about it.

Of course, Obama proved that he thinks our heads are mush, and that we are incapable of logical thought, like when he tells us that he is going to avoid taxing 95% of us by taxing corporations instead. Well, aren't the corporations just going to pass on the taxes to us by raising prices? Isn't this inflationary - a hidden tax on the stupid? In fact, not only is it a tax, it is a regressive tax - it costs the poor more than the rich percentagewise. Of course, with the condition of our schools, Obama doesn't have to make sense - our so-called "graduates" have been conditioned to accept whatever nonsense a Harvard professor spews out.Thus of course Obama wants to provide more money for education (by indirectly taxing the poor). Education of the sort we have now will only make people more susceptible to deceit like his. And Obama doesn't want to change the quality of education, just the quantity. Its quality will remain useless, it's just that we'll start indoctrinating - I mean educating - our kids at age 0 instead of age 5.

Give me a break. None of them are qualified to lead. Time to get rid of the two-party system (and not in favor of a one-party system).

Posted by: Alan Lockett | September 4, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

If you would apply the same grade system to Mr. Obama's acceptance speech, you would say that he can't even read a speech written by someone else with ANY class, humor, or eloquence.

Posted by: Brian | September 4, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Funny, I am still waiting for Obama to prove he's "ready". And yes, Obama's speeches are written for him too.

Add the fact that Palin's telepromter malfunctioned about half way through and she still gave a great speech helps.

Obama? When his telepromter went down, he was the one looking like a blithering fool. (Your words.)

As for the charges of "Mean-spirited"? WTF? It wasn't mean, it was humorous jabs. The difference is Obama does the same thing, but he's not funny. This is a fight, no? Obama must have a glass jaw and the lefties are worried, that's why all these false stories are going around.

Heck, all of the people out there saying (even N.O.W.'s president - who has what? 4 children?) she shouldn't be VP because she has kids... never asked Obama how he will raise his, or any other Democrat.

Biden's wife and one child died in a wreck and he was left as a single parent with two children. I didn't see any Democrats (or Repubs) saying he should quit the Senate because he was a single father with two young children. Funny how that works. Double standard no less.

And no.. she didn't ban any books. She canned a librarian that would not follow a law passed by the people of Alaska. Sorry, you may not agree with the law, but you have to follow it!

In these comments, DogBitz called her "shrill". Um, isn't that sexist? Would you call a man "shrill"? I thought not.

Sorry... what we have here is a woman, that (all due respect) isn't Hillary - who does nothing but play the victim. This is a lady who took on her own party for curruption (has Obama?), unseated a sitting governor in a primary (has Obama?), and then won the election against a Democrat.

The "right" likes her not because she's a woman, but because she's from outside D.C. and is a REAL reformer and waste cutter. That's the reason. This is a convention, and she is the VP nominee. Everyone here is comparing her to Obama. That's a compliment! The left is so afraid, they're arguing over who has more experience... their Presidential candidate, or the Repubs VP candidate. That doesn't say much about Obama.

Lasty, it's hilarious that people here (and the article's author) are saying that all she can do is give a great speech.

Isn't that the problem with Obama? He's never done anything of note (but has two autobiographies) except give good speeches that were "written for him".

Name ONE specific and important law he has written (not sponsored... anybody can do that) or reform law he has written.

There are none... but he has two autobiographies. Hmmm...


So... basically... y'all got nothing.


Posted by: Ster | September 4, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I expected some substance in the speech. But what I got was a speech filled with sarcasm and ignorance. When she says Barack Obama will increase taxes, I am not sure if she ever had a chance to read or understood his platform. It was too low to ridicule community organizers!

It's shameful that the mainstream media fell into the Republican attack strategy and failed miserably to meaningfully evaluate the speech. Instead, they (including CNN) were competing each other to praise a speech as a historic one. It's a shame that the media abandons objectivity and succumbs to pressures and accusations. We saw this in the past - AWOL reporting of Bush and female lobbyst connection allegation against McCain. Dear Media (Fox excuded): Without being partisan, you can look for the truth and report the truth. Be the real Fifth Estate!

Posted by: John | September 4, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Dear samson151 | September 4, 2008 9:08 PM :


The Democratic Warrior

Posted by: The Democratic Warrior | September 4, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

The GOP will handle Palin just like they did Bush... lower the bar as far as possible and then when she manages to actually get through an event without crying or spouting the F-word, she wins.

This is certainly what they will do for the Biden/Palin debate; just watch. We will get lulled into grading Palin's political abilities on a curve just like we do with our current President. Because of this I fully expect Palin to be widely perceived as "winning" the VP debate even though Biden will likely school her in every regard.

Posted by: Odie | September 4, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Dionne is such a rag muffin Democrat mouth, ala obermann, anything he says is garbage.

Such disrepectful sexism from someone--Dionne--who is cowardly. After deriding Pallin's speech, Dionne then uses the same presentation he condemns. At least Pallin was at a political event.

What is Dionne's excuse? Idiot?

Posted by: CAEXPATRIOT | September 4, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

You may be right. But its kind of ironic how this is the same shallow standard that so many impressionable voters have used as they fawn over Obama.

Posted by: Ben | September 4, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

It is hard to believe the nonsense over Palin. She read a speech written by the campaign... Actually, a couple of parts sounded similar to Hillary's. One that comes to mind:

Palin:``When the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot....

Hillary: "Because when the bright lights are off and the cameras are gone, who can you count on to listen to you, to stand up for you, to delivery solutions for you?"

Qualified?? A BS in Journalism from Podunk U does not qualify you to be President. Right.. she was a mayor of a town of 6,000. Also a Governor of a state with the population of a city like Memphis for 18 months. Bottom line.. if she was not an Evangelical who opposed abortion, she would still be mayor at best. Do we know of a leader of any country who is less qualified??

Posted by: Jim | September 4, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Sarah's got you running scared, doesn't she?

Posted by: Sandy | September 4, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

If you judge a speech by the amount of misinformation it conveys, then Palin's speech was a hit.

Even the rhetoricians of ancient Greece were turning in their graves.

Posted by: ridiculous | September 4, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

The reason she hit it out of the park is because you are elistist liberal morons. Your world view doesn't allow for Sarah Palin.

Posted by: julia | September 4, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I am an educated minority who was rooting for Obama until all of you bimbos and bozos (including Dionne and other liberal elitest scribes) destoryed Hillary Clinton and now you attack and belittle Palin becasue she is a successful, smart and articulate American(something the liberal bozos and bimbo could never be).

The more you exhibit your bias the more you are driving independents like me to vote for the McCain Palin ticket.

I am anxious to see your encore.

Posted by: WTE | September 4, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

She not only won. She owned it.

To say otherwise is a lie.

Also, Obama also uses spechwriters. Why do the liberal media forget to mention that all the time?

Hmmm...I wonder. Obama is a sniveling oaf without a teleprompter. "uhhhhh..ummm...uhhhhhhh...well...lets see...uhhhh"

C'mon now...he's the 8th grader

Posted by: David G. | September 4, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

In responseto Sandy,

Yes she has me running scared, if you could tell your front from your rear you'd be scared too.

Posted by: Candy | September 4, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Reminds me of some commentary after one of the Bush / Gore debates. Refering to GW one said, "Well, he certainly seemed more Presidential tonight..." and they continued to gush over the fact that he didn't trip over the English language during the debate. Despite his obvious command of the issues, Gore, of course, was not up to his usual standards that night and the commentariat put the screws to him. Bar comparison: GW - Can you talk intelligibly? AG - Can you talk articulately, persuasively, yet not condescendingly?

Posted by: Rayjay | September 4, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is frightening to me. If you go to the Frontiersman newspaper from Sarah's hometown of Wasilla and read some of the comments by the people who know her best, there are pros and cons, but some people say they are afraid to say what they really think. The librarian has said that Palin wanted to censor books at the library. She left the town with a huge budget deficit, she got earmark money of $15 million for a railway from Wasilla to a nearby ski resort, home of Senator Ted Stevens. I don't need my tax money to be spent on that kind of thing in another state! Her office is under investigation for abuse of power, and the list goes on. What else will come up?

Posted by: Connect_the_dots | September 4, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Dionne is a close-contact supporter of Barack Obama whose complete blindness of the situation is appalling and unobjective.

Is there some way we can block this ridiculous blog from reaching

Posted by: Marshall | September 4, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I got the sense that she believed the jokes in the speech were evidence of her ability to lead.

Like the jokes about how the mayor has a harder job than the president. It's a cute joke.

But she actually seems to believe it.


A month ago she didn't even know what the VP did. And now she might run the country. I'm going to dig a bunker in my yard and save bottled water and cans of food if that happens.

Posted by: blue | September 4, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is do you support a free-market or a centrally-controlled economy? I can't support socialism because it's basically the government acting as thugs that mug people between the time they get their paycheck and before they get to the bank and give the spoils to people who didn't earn it. If you really think that socialism is the way to go, why don't you do more via charities? The answer is that it's easier to spend other people's money.

P.S. The freedom vs. socialism argument notwithstanding, it is shameful that someone who won't salute the American flag has so much support.

Posted by: IloveUSA | September 4, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Dear Sandy at 913pm-

I don't know how many times we have to say it...YES WE ARE RUNNING SCARED....of the possibilty that Sarah Palin could be our VP...maybe even our president.

The Democratic Warrior

Posted by: The Democratic Warrior | September 4, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I love these republican responses from people pretending to be independents...seriously if you were independent and that speeched turned your weren't independent.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

There's no doubt about the Republican's political wizardry in conjuring up candidates, speeches and electoral pageantry to reach what they like to describe as "Middle America."

The question is whether "Middle America" ought allow itself to be so readily reached.

After all, that's how we got eight years of George Bush and Dick Cheney.

Take a look at the line before you go gaga over the bait.

Posted by: San Diego | September 4, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Guess What

I was an independent voter. Thanks to the media biases, immature articles (like this one), no we cant Democranks, and senseless attacks I am now a Republican.

One day Democrats will wake up and realize that us unsophisticated, God-loving, Gun holding, troop supporting Americans decide elections. I am proud to be an American, and I can promise you that this is not the first time I have said it.

McCaine/Palin 2008

Vote No for Nobama because all we will have left is change.

Posted by: tio | September 4, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Writing your own speeches certainly is not a prerequisite for being President.

However, in this day and age maybe going to Grad school should be a prerequisite for being VP.

Seriously, go get you some knowledge Palin. Maybe, if you ask nicely, Obama will let you attend one of his classes.

Posted by: Last Post | September 4, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

"Also, Obama also uses spechwriters. "
Does he? Could you tell us their names?

Posted by: Jim | September 4, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

It wasn't a big speech??? I can tell you that here in Texas people loved it. Presidents are not elected based on eloquence, and the answer to the problems in this country is not lofty speeches in the nations biggest stadiums, rather people actually working hard to achieve results. If in the process they somehow do not rise to the standards of ivy league, please remember that most of the citizens of this country have not even visited ivy league colleges. Perhaps pundits can do little bit a better job in sensing the mood of the ordinary citizens, and not only the elite?

Posted by: LT | September 4, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

a true independent:
I'm not Julie, but I'd like to respond to your post anyway. I volunteer, and I was very insulted by the snide reference to community service. It was not, in my view, a "drawn comparison." I interpreted that comment as a sneering put-down, building up her job as a mayor by tearing down another. The use of sarcasm is further evidence that this was not intended as a polite comparison - it was smugly delivered to draw jeers from the crowd.

More importantly, perhaps you do not know that McCain has flipped his opinion on taxes, abortion, and immigration, at least. I would encourage some research - I know we're all busy, but it's worth it just to be better informed. Regarding immigration, he went so far as to denounce a bill that he himself sponsored when it became politically unpopular within his own party.

McCain's most gravely concerning flip, however, is his sudden reversal on personal conduct - he used to be known for being somewhat respectful even in disagreement. No more - just look at his rhetoric and attack ads! I could live with a politician who disagreed with me, but I can't live with a politician who uses any disagreement to tell me I'm ignorant and unpatriotic.


Julie. . .I volunteer for a non profit. I wasn't insulted as it was a drawn comparison.

What issues has McCain "flipped" on? Immigration? Taxes? Iraq?

Instead, ask when he has stood up to his party. Immigration? Taxes? Iraq? And ask when Obama has done the same. And he has voted with Bush/Republicans 90 percent of the time. DUH! But what makes up the 10 percent. Any idea? Oh yeah, Immigration, Taxes, Iraq. . .oh, and global warming, torture, and earmark spending.

Is there a difference between Biden's attacks and Palin's? Should Reid be allowed to say "I can't STAND McCain" and not expect to get called on it? Is he setting a bipartisan example when he threatens to "punish" Lieberman for supporting a friend?

I look forward to your response.

Posted by: A true independent | September 4, 2008 8:45 PM

Posted by: Susan | September 4, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

According to righties she "hit it out of the park". So, in your mind, she hit a the 1st inning. 8 more to play baby...if that's all she's got to bring to the table I can't wait to see what's next!!

The Democratic Warrior

Posted by: The Democratic Warrior | September 4, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Come on folks, can't we admit when someone gave a knock out speech. Sarah Palin just gave the speech of the century. She has now earned "Rock Star" status. What I really liked about her speech was that she gave a bit of her resume...impressive. She's a Mom and a wife, she isn't afraid to speak her mind either. I can't wait to see how that stirs the pot in D.C. I am a middle to low income hard working American and I've had the chance to listen to Mccain in person, he has my back and you can be assured he has all of our backs whether you like him or not. Last night Sarah Palin tugged on my heart strings, she made me feel better about this election, she re-energized my spirt in America. Some of you expected more substance; but, what more could you ask for? She didn't need to say anything else.

Posted by: Dale D | September 4, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Now lookaheah,

Taint nuffin rung wiff a shotgun weddin. Bin to plenny of em. Thet thar boy is doin tha rat thang.

guvna Palene u go get em. we got us a rebbit hunt nex week. cum on don yuh heah!

Posted by: Clem | September 4, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone one else with teenage daughters concerned about how the republicans are trying to ram the teenage pregnancy and reproductive irresponsibility agenda down our throats? Last night was a spectacle that glorified teen pregnancy and reproductive irresponsibility. And Obama, who proudly states that he is the product of a teen pregnancy, is complicit with the glorification. The republicans and democrats are all cowards for not denouncing the spectacle that glorified teen pregancy last night!!!

Posted by: reproductive responsibility | September 4, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Thank God so many people felt that her speech was intellectual childish. I am a middle school teacher and I would not accept this sort of simplistic and arrogant logic from a sixth grader. How stupid does she think the American people are? Stupid enough to also believe that creationism should be taught in schools, or that certain books should be banned if we don't like them? Stupid enough to believe that "drill, baby, drill" will get us out of a global energy crisis? Stupid enough to believe that humans aren't causing global warming?

Posted by: Jessica | September 4, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I was one of those undecided voter until I heard Palin's speech last night. I am totally turned off by Palin disrespectful tone. Instead of talking about what she can bring to McCain's ticket she went on attacking other politicians and media! Who does she think she is? No way I will vote for John McCain now...

Posted by: Omar | September 4, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I was an independent voter. Thanks to the media biases, immature articles (like this one), no we cant Democranks, and senseless attacks I am now a Republican.


I don't think there are any independent or recently-independent voters who say 'democrank'. Pretty much nobody talks like that unless they're slightly to the right of Jerry Falwell.

Posted by: Joe | September 4, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

It seems that the people most upset about Gov. Palin are people who haven't accomplished as much as she. It must be daunting to see a happily married, former Miss Wassila, former mayor, mother of five and current Governor running for VP when you are still trying to have your first relationship and get your first real job at her age.

That she did it without rich parents, a rich husband or affirmative action must be particularly galling. She also never had any rich Saudi's pulling strings to get her into Harvard or a husband that was President and rich helping her, everything she got she earned the old fashioned way by working for it.

So as you sit in your McCubbicle, angry about life passing you by, look at what Sarah Palin accomplished without the advantages you had.

Posted by: Sejanus | September 4, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Oh come on, now, IloveUSA...

Don't kid yourself or anyone else with that old line about creeping socialism.

The Democratic and Republican Parties both serve big time capitalism. They just competitively serve different sectors of the economy. Just look at their contributors, industry by industry.

Posted by: San Diego | September 4, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Thank E. J. for getting it right _ again. The network pundits were either swayed by the reaction of the crowd or cowed by the McCain assault on the media. After speeches filled with attacks questioning Obama's credentials and patriotism, McCain will apparently promise tonight to end rancor in Washington. Sure.

Posted by: Woody | September 4, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

you suspect wrong Dionne, here is one democrat women who will be voting for McCain Palin. It will be new experience since I have never voted for a republican before.

If Obama picked Hillary, I would not be doing this. But apparently the democratic is only for men

Posted by: kdd | September 4, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Of course she attacked. Any idiot watching politics for the past few years knows and expects that. Why are you whining like little girls?

The VP candidate ALWAYS attacks so that the Presidential candidate doesn't have to and talks more about substance, etc. Gore did it and Biden did it. Sheesh.

I think it's so funny that everybody here is treating her like a Presidential candidate. What does that say? It says she DID have an effect and has the BO campaign on their heels - for now.

How many people watched Obama? 38 Million and the media swooooooned over that record. How many people watched Palin? 37 Million (the most for any candidate other than Obama -- who is the PRESIDENTIAL candidate). The media (including this article? ... No mention of that... just that she was "shrill".

Oh yeah... keep it up.

Yes, she has more experience than Obama and his "Present" vote button. Plus, she's a REAL person... didn't get indoctrinated at Harvard and wasn't a friend and colleague of a terrorist. She's a Mom who was mad at her failing school so she joined the PTA. Found out that didn't help, so she ran for City Council. She was sick of the corruption, so she ran for Mayor. Tired of the good ol' boy club of HER OWN PARTY in Alaska she ran for Gov and unseated a sitting Repub and beat the Demo. She got here like any "REAL" person would who wasn't looking for power or for her own prestige (like Obama and his freaking "ME" books). She got there by doing the right thing (even if it meant making enemies in her own party) and is the Governor with the HIGHEST recorded approval ratings in modern history.

Everyone here is just upset because she's a real person. A normal person. "Why is SHE here?" "She's just a regular person who didn't go to Harvard!" Who's the Elitist? That's right... YOU!

Guess what... this country would be better off if the Congress and Senate were filled with nothing but Farmers... instead of lawyers. Who do the Democrats have running? Two lawyers.

I rest my case.

You may not agree... but the real Americans do. I know... you think "real" Americans are stupid. Right? I thought so.

Go back into your liberal, Ivy League bubble and think and write papers. The rest of us real people will be the ones making stuff, keeping the economy going, working hard and (unfortunately), getting our b*tts taxed to pay for your jobs sitting upon high writing your papers.

The real people are the ones that made and make this country what it was and is. Shouldn't they get a say once in a while? Instead of blood-sucking lawyers?

Yes? Fine... then we have it in Sarah. She's not perfect... but she's one of us. Sorry, she's not a rich lawyer who never created a single job without taxing someone. I know... that sucks.

Posted by: Ster | September 4, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I am from a small town in a Red State in the Deep South, and I was surprised by how few people in my part of the world were impressed with Gov. Palin's presentation.

The common thread among those asked their opinion of what had been said last night in Minneapolis was: "I really don't care that much about either Obama or McCain, to tell the truth."

Reflecting on what I heard today, it seems that the tone and quality of Gov. Palin's voice is very jarring to the Southern ear, very adenoidal and annoying.

Playing the speech back, it seemed too loaded with snide remarks and personal attacks. In other words, it sounded too much like the message George W. Bush might deliver (jump on the Democrats for not drilling for oil in the aftermath of a hurricane when hundreds of thousands are without electrical power).

People are sick of that after eight years.

Posted by: IndependenceDay | September 4, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Jim @9:19pm:
You wanted the names of Obama's speechwriter:
Jon Favreau, with a full profile of him in

Posted by: Georges Makhtouf | September 4, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how the liberal elite still don't get it. Ms. Palin will bring integrity to this campaign and expose Obama & Biden for the tax and spend Washington insiders that they are. They want to tax everything including lower middle class workers that are the back bone of this country, with a healthy payroll tax. They want to strip the military of the strength that they need. This country would be left vulnerable should the vote buying by the Dems succeed. The "chicken in every pot" rebates being offered by Obama is just a veiled attempt to steal the election, and send us on a journey to a socialist government.
Thank God we have John MCCain to vote for and bring sanity back to this country.

Posted by: Smitty | September 4, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

It is, perhaps, not surprising that a site such as this would be unimpressed with Sarah Palin's speech. If, however, it was so unimpressive, why is everyone talking about it? I don't remember any such reaction to Joe Biden's speech that clearly was short on "red meat." Obama's own campaign had to admit it was a good speech. I suspect you are all recounting what you "hoped" was the response of mainstream America to that speech -- I think you are wrong.

Could it be an air of desperation here that the GOP is no longer characterized by out of touch old white men that can't speak to mainstream America? Funny that the "people's party" now appears to be the one out of touch with reality and running to win all 57 states. Has Obama been able to figure out the electoral votes for those 7 extras?

Posted by: JFK | September 4, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Omar said: "Who does she think she is?"

Someone who has principles and is sick of the status quo.

Who does Obama think HE is with his two autobiographies -- without ever actually doing anything. Hmmmm?

She thinks she's right and thinks she can do more than vote PRESENT 130+ times.

THAT'S who she thinks she is.

Posted by: Ster | September 4, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

I realize that the National Organization for Women (NOW) was high-jacked long ago by radical leftists and militant lesbians.
Still, you might think that more women would understand that Democrats are attacking this woman on a personal level that no male candidate has to endure.
I feel strongly that the Democrat Party will need to fail at the polls in order to get back into mainstream thinking and value systems. I an ashamed of my Democrat Party and as a PUMA, I will vote McCain/Palin and change my voter registration to Independent.
One more thing; Obama and Reverend Wright are two peas in a pod!

Posted by: Sharon | September 4, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Some people can "read a speech" better that others can. Many of the speeches during the DNC were poorly read. Mr. Dionne's guff that Gov. Palin "has absolutely no background in foreign policy" is a tiring line as if that is THE one and only background a candidate could have to be a viable option for VPotUS. Executive experience is so absent in Sen. Bidin's resume. Zero. NaDa.
Gov. Palin is a refreshing new face to the mainstage. There is nothing fresh nor new about the other VP candidate.

Posted by: Micah | September 4, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

To Omar
You are right, who does she think she is? imagine a women talking like that about a guy, she should be flogged

Posted by: dem52 | September 4, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Sarah likes to be thought of as a pit bull. Pit Bulls are vicious. They attack without provocation. An unvetted VP can do more harm to this country than Osama bin Laden.

Posted by: hamishdad | September 4, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

I agree EJ. The pundits are driving this and there is anecdotal evidence she turned off more people than she turned on outside of the Twin Cities. The big question is are they going to let her go out on her own soon and answer questions or are they going to keep her closeted away from the press until she is up to speed on policy?

Posted by: Mr Cee | September 4, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Yo, "IndependenceDay"

Your idiotic post proved that you are a rat. Your whole post was BS. Sorry, faking being a 'southerner', blah blah blah is sad.

When you have to fake being someone else to make a point, you are lying and therefore should not even open your mouth.

Posted by: Ster | September 4, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

"Palin draws 37 million viewers"

"She is the biggest celbrity in the world... but is she ready to lead?"

After all, she does have a BS and was a mayor of a town with a city hall the size of Patel's Quick Stop at the gas station.

Posted by: JD | September 4, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

You poor libs. You spew hatred of life and all things sacred, then wonder why no one reads your newspaper anymore and your stock prices are all going in the toilet.

If you had even basic business management skills, or life skills for that matter, you'd step back, realize that there must be some reason that Fox News regularly beats its competition, fire 50% of your knee-jerk liberal staffs, and replace them with people that CAN THINK FOR THEMSELVES, THANK YOU.

Posted by: Austin on my mind | September 4, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Nobody cares what the clouds without water think, especially the nasty gays with all their demons.

Posted by: Prophet | September 4, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I was one of those on the fence trying to choose between McCain and Obama...up until the Palin announcement.

Even so, I listened to the speech this morning after missing it last night, with what I hoped was an open mind. Nope, I was right for myself and my vote. I pass on the snarky negativity/fluff. The kids were lovely props though.

Oh and for all the people gnashing their teeth over her parenting/children being raised...How many men in politics have you ever seen with posters mentioning them being "Dads"? Since she herself is using it as a selling point, it is certainly worth looking at and asking about.

Posted by: MG | September 4, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Actually, you are the only one in the media to report someone wrote the speach for her, so your credibility isn't much.

Posted by: chuck | September 4, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

She does look more like Paris Hilton than Obama.

Posted by: Jim | September 4, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

it's sad to see so many hardline people here bashing the republican party. people have lost the art to thinking for themselves and to do the research themselves, READ THE PARTY PLATFORMS!!! The democratic party in power on the House and Senate have accomplished NOTHING in 2 years. The entire country is not just Democrats. All i see is bickering between 2 political parties that need to BOTH be removed from power. also i think we REALLY need to put term limits on the senate and house, maybe that will keep the power hungry vultures out and we can go back to working together as a country with real results.

Posted by: nick | September 4, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

"she didn't blow many people away"

Dude, your Biden said he was very impressed with her address. I guess you're calling him and eighth grader? My eighth grade nephew would be insulted.

You're floundering . . . keep it up.

Posted by: D | September 4, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

An eighth grade standard is perfect for the voters that will decide this election. DJ doesn't get that point.

Posted by: James | September 4, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

When governors of Southern states showed sympathy to their citizens who wanted to secede before the Civil War they were called traitors.

When the governor of Alaska shows sympathy to Alaskans who wish to secede she is called a Vice Presidential candidate.

Obama didn't wear a flag pin and Palin is OK with the flag having 49 stars so spare me the "We love America more than you" crap.

Posted by: Nor | September 4, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

The much touted speaking abilities of Obama unfortunately frightened me enough to switch sides. Reminded me too much of Hitler who also had the gift of gab.

Since I've switched to the other side, One question: are you scared now? The way the anger is showing on the left, it's pretty obvious that you all are pretty frustrated that your God still has not pulled so far away. Well, at least the dems under the leadership of Dean is 8 points ahead. But wait, there's more. The result from the repub convention still has not shown up at the polls. Damn repubs just can't get off your heels, eh?

Posted by: Nobama | September 4, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Mckee or whatever said: "The big question is are they going to let her go out on her own soon and answer questions or are they going to keep her closeted away from the press until she is up to speed on policy?"

Plenty of time, hosehead. She was just announced this freaking week, OK.

I cannot wait until she debates Biden. That will be AWESOME! He will come off (as usual, and just like Obama who is afraid to debate) as cynical, condescending and elitist. He's known for that.

There will be plenty of time... Her speech is over, hold your penis... you can beat up on the woman soon, ok?

Posted by: Ster | September 4, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Liberal media sets bar low pre-speech by claiming Palin won't be able to get two sentences in without messing up. Then the same liberals whine post speech that the bar was too low? Nice patronization. I am sure she appreciates that pat on her knee, E.J. And nice comment about the speechwriter. I'm sure you would never have referenced the fact that speechwriters write speeches for politicians if Palin had not been a woman.
The two faces of liberalism rears its ugly heads again.

Posted by: Jim | September 4, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

What's that smell?

It smells like........Desperation.

Can Obama really talk at 3 debates without a script and Teleprompter? He did awful at that Saddleback Evangelical thing he went to.

McCain/Palin will win in a landslide!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

McCain is FOR CAFTA and NAFTA, Obama is against them. That's where your jobs went. Do you really want more outsourcing of American jobs? He was even for outsourcing of miliary contracts when keeping the contracts here would provide good American jobs and help preserve our national security. Palin was once a member of AIP, or at least attended their meetings. They are for the secesstion of Alaska from the United States. Now that's really patriotic.

Posted by: Connect_the_dots | September 4, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Personal Disclaimer, this comment comes from a voter already decided on Obama.
The truth of the matter is that the role of the Vice President during a Presidential campaign is to largely the "pitball" and attacker that we saw in Sarah Palin the other night. Biden did it also, but you won't hear (especially on the WPost comments board) anything about Biden being "snarky" or "condescending". Democrats: If you want people to look at Obama as more than a speach maker, then you must grant the opposition the same favor. Republicans: If this race is about "experience", why run an individual with no foreign policy or legislative experience (yes, there are types of experience other than executive). This election should be about issues. The focus has been put on Palin (largely intentionally by the Repub. camp) to distract from the fact that John McCain calls himself a maverick, outsider, rebel, etc, etc, but has yet to offer a differing or new idea for the problems facing this country.
On another note, republicans need to be very careful about ripping into "community organizers". Community organizers were largely responsible for causes such as abolition, women's suffrage, the civil rights movement, AIDS and Cancer movements just to name a few. It was largely State Governors (George Wallace for example) that opposed such "radical" (as they were referred to in the past) or "historic" (as they are referred to now) measures. Its a tiring, frustrating, often unproductive and largely thankless job. But it is noble work and actually epitomizes the conservate idea of small, local measures based outside of the federal government.

Posted by: News McTado | September 4, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Sarah is going to rock the USA and the world. Sorry obamaniacs, its over and I'm smiling all the way to the bank.

Thank the good Lord- he does protect us all.

Posted by: Dave | September 4, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

"Is anyone one else with teenage daughters concerned about how the republicans are trying to ram the teenage pregnancy and reproductive irresponsibility agenda down our throats? Last night was a spectacle that glorified teen pregnancy and reproductive irresponsibility. And Obama, who proudly states that he is the product of a teen pregnancy, is complicit with the glorification. The republicans and democrats are all cowards for not denouncing the spectacle that glorified teen pregnancy last night!!!"

Posted by: reproductive responsibility
I'm with you, 'reproductive responsibility'!

Since when did we as a nation, as concerned citizens, as parents lose the capacity to judge babies having babies, to condemn teenagers having pre-marital and unprotected sex?

What will it do to every American mother's and father's ability to discourage their children from having sex before marriage and to insist, failing that, upon proper precautions not just against pregnancy but against deadly sexually transmitted diseases if we rollover to a politically convenient wave of Republican permissiveness and elevate the example of the poor choices of Bristol and Levi to the pedestal of our American White House?

Is it fair to Palin to hold her responsible for her daughter's mistakes?

Certainly not. It is horribly unfair.

But since when has the national interest become secondary to fairness to politicians?

Posted by: San Diego | September 4, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I have lost any respect I might have had for the journalist Tom Brokaw. He was gushing like a schoolboy. The woman had the ability to read, wink and be snarky from a prepared speech orchestrated by Karl Rove. People is THIS the kind of country we want to continue having?? Make sure YOU are registered and the young people you know, because if McCain is picked by whe whack jobs because people didn't bother to vote it is the young that will be drafted. McCain WILL bring back the draft. He lusts after it.

Posted by: Deme | September 4, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

"Actually, you are the only one in the media to report someone wrote the speach for her, so your credibility isn't much."

Look it up. It was written for a male candidate weeks ago and was tweaked over the past few days.

Posted by: Jim | September 4, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to Capt. Bush, our ship has struck an iceberg and is taking on water. There is no room in the life boats for women and children because those seats are already occupied by Republican men.

Posted by: hamishdad | September 4, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

"People expected her to be a blithering fool and were shocked that she could read a decent speech prepared for her by the McCain campaign." Perhaps liberals are feeling depressed because she did so well. What politician writes his or her own material? She delivered her speech *very* well, much better than Biden dilvered his.

Posted by: AReader | September 4, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I really get a kick out of the Democrats and the GOP for talking about soo much experience needed for foreign policy. Look at the past Presidents of Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, & Carter... they were all Governors. Not one had all this precious experience that everyone totes so highly. Get off the experience thing already, it doesn't fly.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I think even the far right can't misdirect their way through the following question:

WILL history judge Palin's acceptance speech as "great"? If Palin remains in the public eye and continues to speak in this vein, will ANY speech she makes be judged by history to be "great"?

Does anyone think that Obama and/or at least one (but probably--as time goes on--several) of his speeches will be a mere footnote in history?

And the most important question: Does anyone really think that Palen would have been chosen, with her exact same "qualifications" if she were a MAN?

Repubs here, you are working way too hard to convince yourselves of something that is patently false.

Oh, and Alvin, you wrote: "It left me wondering if great speechwriting skills are a requisite to be President these days."

Yeah, well, I think having an intelligent, articulate, highly educated president who can string more than five words together and is confident enough to pause, think and then respond instead of speaking in abupt, catchy sound bites would be a president one could become "really proud" of.

Posted by: Philip | September 4, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey, "Nor".

Your post was uninformed and basically... stupid.

You need to read some more.. and no... not the Daily Kos.

She was never for it.

If you had a brain and wasn't lead around by Markos and his Marxist friends, you would know that and not made a complete idiot out of yourself in just a few sentences.


Posted by: Ster | September 4, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

This election is about the replacement of supreme court justices when they die or decide to retire. It is about imminent domain; the fourth amendment; the ugly spending on an unholy and unjust war for the benefit of a few; the debt that has been built by a member of a party whose chief aim is to starve the government; the continuing of the dumbing down of America.

That is what this election is about.

Posted by: This Is What It Is About | September 4, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

No substance there (Palin's speech). Granted, you have to have an 8th grade level of comprehension to see through manipulation this thick & slick.

How do I turn my cheek to Christian pit bull?

Sorry, I don't. McCain and Palin need to beaten politically into bloody pulp.

My country, the US, is better than all this.

Posted by: Knutton | September 4, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

My First Grader question to Mr. McCain and Mrs. Palin:
Are you better off now than 4 or 8 years ago?

The poll will say "Resounding Yes".
Answer from a vast majority in these United States: No.

There you have it. You are not a solution maker for us. We are thinking of hiring a different team that actually listens to us, and not just keep telling or rambling. Another good thing about them is - they do not throw insults at us or at others.

Posted by: Mp | September 4, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Yeah. Right. Sarah Palin read a prepared speech that someone else wrote for her -- in stark contrast to Barack Obama, who writes his own copy. Yeah. Right. (How do you sleep at night? ...)

Posted by: fed_up_independent | September 4, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Heather, I think you miss the point. No one denies the fact that they ALL have their speeches written for them. Palin did a good job reading hers just like Obama, Biden, and yes your boy McCain is sure to do too. Though you wouldn't understand this because you have your mind set, for those who have an open mind can ask how someone who was basically an unknown gov. of the 49th smallest populated state (out of 50 for those who slept through civics classes) 3 weeks ago can stand up on stage and read a speech prepared for her that is flowing with pointless, snide, sarcastic remarks devoid of any substance? I mean, wouldn't YOU, if you were unknown, want to stand up there and make yourself known (as she did) and appeal to lots of people, apart from hard-core Republicans (which she didn't). Besides her pointless drivel, what did she have to say on the economy? Immigration? God knows she wouldn't say anything about any related to foreign affairs because she knows nothing.

I'm not saying this because I am a democrat or an independant. If Obama or Biden stood up there and trashed McCain like Palin did, I'd be turned off at them too. In fact, if I was a republican I'd be plenty p*ssed off because the only valid point that McCain's campaign had against Obama was his inexperience. In one fell swoop, he blew that out of the sky. Oh and by the way, as Jon Stewart pointed out this evening, John McCain does not have any executive decision making experience case you republicans decide do your typical "well, Barack Obama ..." redirect when asked a tough question.

Posted by: Cheez | September 4, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

The Palin Speech to No Where was an embarrassment to any right minded Republican who stands for Traditional Marriage and Family Values. Sarah was Spectacle that people wanted to see, I don't think there will be too many second looks.

Posted by: Fareed | September 4, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I was an independent voter. Thanks to the media biases, immature articles (like this one), no we cant Democranks, and senseless attacks I am now a Republican.


I don't think there are any independent or recently-independent voters who say 'democrank'. Pretty much nobody talks like that unless they're slightly to the right of Jerry Falwell.

After this weeks Media objective reporting of Palin you either support such below the belt reporting or you don't. This week opened my eyes to how low the media can go. I love this country, I love people like the Palin's who are living the American Dream, and I believe that after tonight independents will decide on a candidate who talks about change to promote their career or a candidate who uses their career to promote change.

God Bless you all and God Bless America

McCaine/Palin 2008

Vote No for Nobama because all we will have left is change.

Posted by: tio | September 4, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Dream on, Dionne. That Free Press panel of supposed "independent" voters includes at least two Code Pink members. One of them is a locally notorious environmental moonbat who campaigns against Detroit's extremely popular annual "Dream Cruise" -- a rolling car show with the carbon footprint of a small country.

Posted by: Dream on, Dionne | September 4, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Because they always stand with their party's candidate, no matter how bad, the Republicans have a history of nominating unimpressive, self-righteous people who are far from capable or intellectual. And here I thought Dan Quail would be the last moron they would hoist on us. But no: W displaced him as a bigger moron and now they have brought forth another good one: Nasty Sarah ("the pit bull") Barracuda. Shades of Dick Cheney! Another meany!
With the state of the economy, the high price of oil, the endless money-pit, false war and endless other problems brought on by, yes, the Republican administration, what the heck will it take for them to face reality and start offering us real solutions to our country's problems?
This Independent will be voting for Obama and Biden in November.

Posted by: Lauri | September 4, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

There is no way women are gonna vote for Palin who would force women to carry a rape/incest pregnancy to term. If your daughter is 12 and gets raped by grampa Palin WILL FORCE YOUR CHILD TO GIVE BIRTH TO A GENETIC MUTANT, and guess who has to pay for it???? YOU!!!

This idea that it is heroic her daughter is pregnant at 17 is sickening. Now a 17 year old is gonna get married????? Is this the friggin' dark ages?

Getting pregnant in your 40's? It's like this family has never heard of birth control. It's so trashy.

Responsible women take birth control and plan for their children and don't pop out a herd of puppies. I am 31, married, with no children yet because I am building the wealth needed to support them.

Family values my butt!

Posted by: Beth | September 4, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

why do you freaks keep killing the info that Palin actually has executive experiance and that she has actually led people in the right direction. **** McCain has more experiance than both HUSSEIN OBAMA AND WHAT'S HIS FACE

Posted by: Obama = hell | September 4, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

She has my vote.

I like REAL people.

Not Liberal elitist or Hollywood phony's.

Sarah Palin represents C-H-A-N-G-E!

Posted by: GForce | September 4, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

"Sorry but that does nothing to help me put food on the table, or to maintain my health care, or lower the gas prices or help me have enough to put my kid through college."

Sorry to say this, but this is your responsibility and not the gov't. Stop waiting for the gov't for handouts and take care of your needs yourself.

Posted by: nomed | September 4, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

most of the people on this blog including the writer must be smokin crack.

To think Obama's partisan speech was handed down from God and Sara's was boring and simplistic is obviously coming from a group who is just scared and that can't handle the fact that Obama just got his nuts handed to him by the next VP!!!

haha idiots

Posted by: reality | September 4, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

All i see is bickering between 2 political parties that need to BOTH be removed from power. also i think we REALLY need to put term limits on the senate and house, maybe that will keep the power hungry vultures out and we can go back to working together as a country with real results.


Forget term limits. I think there should be income limits for the House and the Senate and the Presidency. They should all get a stipend of $55k a year and they shouldn't be allowed to accept contributions or gifts of any kind. Those seats really should belong to the people who aren't in it for the money and power. Now, we'll just put that $55k number up for a vote and ... oh ... okay, then, I guess not.

Posted by: Joe | September 4, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Jim said: "Look it up. It was written for a male candidate weeks ago and was tweaked over the past few days."

And Bidens speech was written weeks before as well (large parts of it).

Look it up, idiot.

Posted by: Ster | September 4, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

In our state when a 18 yr old gets a 17 yr old in the "family way" we call it statitory rape apparently they call it something different in Alaska?????

Posted by: greenbaycritic | September 4, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Dear Dave at 9:33pm:

May the good Lord help us all with ignorants like you voting for the Lollipop Guild's puppet on a string. Typical rightie...only concerned about how wide YOUR smile is on the "way to the bank". I'm sure the good Lord is real proud of ya.

The Democratic Warrior

Posted by: The Democratic Warrior | September 4, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Jim said: "Look it up. It was written for a male candidate weeks ago and was tweaked over the past few days."

And Bidens speech was written weeks before as well (large parts of it).

Look it up, idiot.

Posted by: Ster | September 4, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Snob, snob, snob.

Good thing about democracy, a snob's vote counts only once! And their grind makes them sound like white noise. Put your latte down for a seconf and think through this challenge:
Any objection you put forth in this article can be attached to Obama in a similar fashion, just change camps and names.

Mrs Palin is a VP candidate - Mr Obama is a P candidate.What is scarier?

My former party lost a chance to get the "elitist" tag off by choosing Hillary. Instead it decided to sign up for an elitist ticket for those hippies turned yuppies again. When will the DP learn that it needs to go back to its working class roots.

I instead will choose to follow the working class where it sits today. I will vote GOP.

Posted by: Recovering Democrat | September 4, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, the numerous positive reactions and "blown away" comments means 2 things.

1) As you said, the bar was set so low that anything better than a complete freeze-up and GW-type speech was considered a success.

2) People in this Country are quite easily fooled by a pretty substance to her entire speech, a setup man like Giuliani doing nothing put attacking Obama like a bad comedian and you have Republicans screaming "home run!" If this speech was for head of the PTA then yes, home run....but VP of the USA!?!?!?! paleeeeze.

Posted by: jim | September 4, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

She has more executive experience than all of the candidates on either the Republican or Democratic slates. Seems like a lot of liberal foolish bloviating on this site. She should be the president to get all the special interests off our backs and stealing everyones money.

Posted by: luslips | September 4, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

"In our state when a 18 yr old gets a 17 yr old in the "family way" we call it statitory rape apparently they call it something different in Alaska?????"

I guess in your state, it's mandatory abortion?

And no... he was 17 at the time, you farking idiot. Are you stupid, or just trying to look like it?

Posted by: Noah | September 4, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Question for Palin: What books have you read in the last ten years? What history books? what economic books? what foreign policy books? Does she read books? What journals and magazines are on the kitchen table in the Palin house? Unlike our learning-disabled decider in the White House today...Sarah Plain can construct a sentence. But she seems to share the same utterly thin grasp of the complexity of the problems we face as our current "decider" in the white house. Doesn't anyone left in the republican party believe in rational thought based on science and knowledge? Can we stand another 4 years of God helping us decide?

Posted by: eblair | September 4, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

'I just don’t think that speech changed a lot of minds, and I am surprised that so many pundits gushed over it.'

I've given some thought to this, and think it's the job of pundits to gush over speeches. Personally, I didn't find Obama's DNC speech that exhilarating, but the pundits seemed to think it was the next MLK speech. I just didn't see that, and the fact the excepts aren't being replayed like MLK is telling.

As for Palin, I think the historic nature of her speech is astounding, but the rhetoric was partisan. Her speech, in and of itself, will not be remember, but the fact she gave the speech will be.

Overall, the edge for historians will always go to Obama, but Palin didn't do that bad. Yet, I personally felt her delivery was sub-par and stilted. I didn't think it was a homerun.

Posted by: Shannon | September 4, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

The commentator misses the point of the entire speech with his condecending title. The leftist elites like to make Americans out to be ignorant hicks with the wisdom of an eighth grader. Typical socialist strategy, dehumanize the opposition as inferior, reminecent of Hitlers policies. So if 57% of us independants loved her speech, this commentator mocks us for using an 'eight grade standard'. Oh so sorry we do not buy into your superior socialist views Mr. Media Guy.

Posted by: WilliamO | September 4, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I agree that she did a good job on delivering a prepared speech. What did folks expects, that she would stutter, and mispronounce every other word? Folks there are a lot of people who on short notice, and first time around can speak well to a crowd. What's the big deal here?
The big worry here is that this gal has nothing to lose. what does she care if she offends or ridicules or drops the ball, she has nothing to lose. Ever now and then in the business world we have all know someone that matches up to the Plain story. Few work out well, and most are seen for a short while with 'a halo effect', all flash, nothing to lose and no track record or credentials. Only problem here is that this women could cost us all our security or lives. Most of the decisions she has made in her personal life I see as major mistakes. A few dollars less in her pocket and no Bible in her back pocket and in that light her and her family just might look a little trailer trashy.

Posted by: Sacto guy | September 4, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Yo, Jim....

Keep thinking that. Keep thinking that.

That's all it was... spread the news, buddy.
Keep it up! LOL!

Obama's 6-8% lead after his speech?
Gone. Latest poll numbers are tied and McCain still has to give his. yeah... that's right, you liberal American-Hating weenie! A woman kicked Obama's *ss. Oh well, she has more experience... LOL!

Posted by: Ster | September 4, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

How could the Republican Party not see how the public would react to Palin's nomination? Of course they knew that people would want to know what her background is when we are already familiar with all of the other candidates backgrounds. People want to (and have the right to) know what she's all about and not what her party wants us to know about her. The interest in and criticism of her is necessary so the public can choose their representatives wisely. I can't believe she's being treated unlike any other candidate would be considering the circumstances. And if people really want us to look past her sex then they need stop claiming she's being treated badly because she's a woman and let her be treated like an American politician. If she is tough enough and smart enough to be leader of the free world, then she and her party better learn that "picking on the girl" thing won't always work.

Posted by: weewah | September 4, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Dear Jim at 938 pm:


Fondest regards,
The Democratic Warrior

Posted by: The Democratic Warrior | September 4, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

can I just say that we weren't the only ones who thought that speech was horrible last night Obama raised $10 million dollars in one! keep those speeches coming Palin!!! Repubs are taking Obama all the way to the white house :)

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Just think...

Is she able to lead this great country and the world if something happens to McCain? He's already 72 and has some health issue!

Posted by: Young | September 4, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

The claim that "Obama never did anything" is false, you can find all the bills he sponsored searching with his name at, Browse Bills by Sponsor. Obama writes many of his speeches as best as is known, so in the case of one speech, all you know is that she can read and some background. Remember we've had time to look Obama over, Palin is a largely unknown quantity and scary to put out for "heartbeat away from the presidency" on such short notice.

And where is her substance, her real ideas? Didn't we have enough "someone I can have beer"/moose stew etc. with in the case of George W Bush? This is Sarah W Bushlin. Maybe an OK governor, but we need to know more (and I do admit, Obama's inexperience is an issue but the point is: what can a person show, to *make up for* not having a lot of experience?) George Will panned her today, no liberal he.

Posted by: Neil B | September 4, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

All the negative comments posted were also said about Ronald Regan.

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Posted by: FYI | September 4, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Please find someone to pass you a ladder...I'm sure you'll eventually want to come down from that 10 foot high horse.

Posted by: WBF | September 4, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Palin seems really dim. She has the gift of blah, granted. Most people think the same of Bush but she takes the cake. Do we want the rest of the world to keep thinking we choose people who don't know anything about the rest of the world.

Posted by: Snowpea | September 4, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

No one is better at crafting reality than the Republican party. Really it truly is an art-form; a most dangerous form that keeps on winning. As the speech ended I could not help but feel I had just witnessed the construction of a completely alternate reality.

But it works every time. They sell people; convince them to vote against their self interest, and unfortunately these theocratic pseudo fascists may soon win this election.

I don't pray much, but I did last night. I prayed there are still enough SANE PEOPLE in this country, regardless of party affiliation, to save my country.

The Democrats are not perfect. Bill was not perfect. But they never violated every international norm our country fought to establish. They never erected a police state where protesting happens only in "zones." The never invaded a country based on a lie so few could become wealthy. The never drove our economy into the ground or taught our children on a level comparable to third world nations.

In the reality the GOP constructs, the real America, the great America I love, is weak. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. War is Peace. Might is Right. Everything great about our country is twisted in this GOP reality....

God, help us.

Posted by: pure theatre | September 4, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse


I may be wrong, but I believe Bristol only recently turned 17.

However, 16 is the "age of consent" in Alaska, as it is in many states.

Also, most states sensibly vary the strictures of the law or the penalty with attention to the age difference between the parties.

In this case, Levi is only a bit older, so this is more a case of "babies having babies" than anything as bad as "statutory rape."

Nothing is gained by exaggerating the wrong done here. It is a sad enough case, as is.

Posted by: Ocean Beach | September 4, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

I have always believed Republicans are heartless, but when news commentators think its important to give Sarah Palin high marks for holding her own baby, lets you know she's got to be really scary. I heard she has been doing all she can to get the polar bears off the endangered species list, because she wants make her own polar bear rug. How in God's name do she call herself a lifer.

Posted by: Linda of Houston | September 4, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Notice how Barack and Joe were really nice when she was announced and called her and wished her luck (but not too much). Well, we heard the reply last night and it was totally without class. We don't need more rednecks in government, after 8 years of it.

Posted by: chris | September 4, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Well, at least she reads better than Obamessiah. When his telepromter has problems, he gets all flustered, confused, and can't string together two words coherently.

Conversely, when her teleprompter has problems, she apparently just ignores them and speaks extemporaneously in an excellent fashion.

Obamessiah and the Snake (VP) can't handle women. Guess that's why Obama and Biden (really old-school, entrenched politician of the past) didn't suck up to Hillary. No new ideas from Snake, except for trying to hit on Sarahcudda with his rude and stupid remarks.

What a pair of freaking B***z**s. Never thought I would see a once proud Democratic party descend to this level of torpid inanity.

Posted by: dNova | September 4, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Its really something to see so many people bashing each; left and right sides couldn't get along if they were paid to do so. Palin was the right choice from a Republican standpoint by the way. No matter what side you are on you must admit she has a lot of Dems crying foul, mercy, etc. I think she has the Dems running for cover. What are you going to do about it? What has Obama have to offer that she doesn't? Nothing... They are both babies in this race for the White House and McCain albeit old is the only thing in this campaign with some back bone.

Posted by: Independent | September 4, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

There is no way women are gonna vote for Palin who would force women to carry a rape/incest pregnancy to term. If your daughter is 12 and gets raped by grampa Palin WILL FORCE YOUR CHILD TO GIVE BIRTH TO A GENETIC MUTANT, and guess who has to pay for it???? YOU!!!

This idea that it is heroic her daughter is pregnant at 17 is sickening. Now a 17 year old is gonna get married????? Is this the friggin' dark ages?

Getting pregnant in your 40's? It's like this family has never heard of birth control. It's so trashy.

Responsible women take birth control and plan for their children and don't pop out a herd of puppies. I am 31, married, with no children yet because I am building the wealth needed to support them.

Family values my butt!

Pro-Choice now renamed Pro-abortion or Pro Birth Control.

Because its only choice if you believe in terminating a pregnancy or taking the

Thank you for condemning the right to choose life and for condemning Catholic Teaching.

And Thank you most of all for saying that mistakes can only be made if you are a Democrat. Oh, I am sorry, If a Democrat makes a mistake you "don't want them punished with a baby". Obama

McCaine/Palin 2008

Vote No for Nobama because all we will have left is change.

Posted by: tio | September 4, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama's speech writer is Jon Favreau. For all those who think Obama writes his own speeches

Posted by: FYI | September 4, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Come on...I listened to the speech hopeing that I was undecided but after last night I think Obama is right it's time for a change , a real one not empty promises and misleading statements.I felt embarrassed for her.The only thing I got from that speech is that McCain fought in the war.. Rep's don't you realize that was a long, long time ago, yes he is a hero, however I feel he is still stuck in the past with his ideas for "change" They talk about change, but their ideas and tactics are the same. Also why do they want us to leave their families alone but they are ready to make decisions about our families future. So is she going to let the secret service raise her baby or is she going to act like the mom she wants the rest of America to be and be totally involved in his future. I hope he turns out to be a genius and doesn't need the special ed programs shes so intent on cutting back.

Posted by: disapointed | September 4, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

You are dead wrong on this, fellow...I am an independent and before Palin's speach, I was in the middle; didn't know if I would even think she was suitable to be VP. Was I wrong; she is an articulate forceful speaker. I and many others I know were so very impressed with her. She will make an excellent VP and someday a wonderful President of this nation.

What's the matter? This competent lady got to you bias press men who belong in a country like Venezuela or China that control the press. You attempt to influence the American people with your ideals, you do not write so that they can form their own opinion. You are a sad lot.

Posted by: Millie Burgoyne | September 4, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

MMM...fear does bring out the fight.

the democrats are scared of her.

Posted by: Billy | September 4, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

People shouldn't let their friends vote Democratic. A vote is a terrible thing to waste!

Posted by: Bill Lonergan | September 4, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

The only thing Palin has impressed me with is her apparent love of moose-burgers. I guess it's one of her selling points... because everyone mentions it. That and how close she lived to Russians.

Posted by: Tom | September 4, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

She didn't blow anyone over? Sez who? She blew me over and I have heard plenty of others say the same thing. Such an arrogant twit (Dionne) wrote this...such a condescending superior presumptive ego. It's time for the media to get off its high horse and join the real world.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

The genius of the Palin pick is truly marvelous. Just by being who she is, she is a living rebuke to everything that the effete left-wing establishment -- personified by its gaseous empty-suited idol Dr. O -- stands for. Nominating him was the dumbest thing the Democrats could have done.

Posted by: Dream on, Dionne | September 4, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

The claim that "Obama never did anything" is false, you can find all the bills he sponsored searching with his name at, Browse Bills by Sponsor.


Do what now? This is America, buddy. We don't do that hippie research stuff. Your facts may be compelling, but are they backed up by campaign talking points? No, I didn't think so...

Posted by: Joe | September 4, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

God may not punish Republicans in this life, but at least the value of their house and investment portfolio is going down the toilet, thanks to 8 years of Bush. 4 more years of Bush/McCain is what the GOP deserves.

Posted by: hamishdad | September 4, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

it's interesting how the republicans on this blog are namecalling and insulting the dems, but they have not defended the issues that this vp pick has stated.........or lack thereof......

Posted by: bitter independent | September 4, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

BTW it is silly to refer to Democrats/liberals as "socialist" when the Republican party also taxes but just at somewhat lower rates (McCain's proposed top rate: 35%, Obama's: 39.6%) and neither wants to nationalize industry, the means of production etc. (the actual definition of socialism), even more hilarious since Biden has been rightly criticized for being too friendly with banks/credit card providers in DE etc. The difference between the major parties is a matter of degree, not a matter of basic "kind."

I have a challenge for you "anti-socialist" types. Since the Repubs also tax and spend (and go into debt worse) with lots of pork and subsidies for their interests, you should prove you really mean it by supporting Ron Paul! And yes, even though I don't want him to win due to his policies not workable, I think he is the most honest person out there. But I really miss John Anderson, whom I voted for in 1980, God what a brilliant and honest man he was.

Posted by: Neil B | September 4, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I like EJ's comments. I am not surprised with the 37 million draw. I am sure a lot of Obama supporters and independents were curious to see what she had to say. Extrapolating on that, those who are gleeful of this speech can only be people who match her intelligence and/or those who have to put up a smiley face for the sake of Repub party. I can guarantee she cannot have one intelligent conversation on any major policy issue and doubt if she even has a position on any of them.
A good test on foreign policy would be to find out if she understands the difference betweem Sunni and Shia and who is behind Al Qaida? I am waiting to watch her first gaffe and many more to follow in short order and the fun will begin.

Posted by: RS | September 4, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

By the way, why not write about Dr, Khaled Al Mnsour of Texas, a friend of the Prince Alwaleed of Saudi, who is an African American activist, a Muslim, who raised money for Obama and asked people to write letters to Harvard in behalf of Obama so he could be admitted?? Now that would be hard news, the type journalist are suppose to report. Not this trash.

Posted by: John Davis | September 4, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

All the backlash toward those who are dismissive of Palin not writing her own speech is misplaced. I never expected her to write her own speech, as few politicians today do. (The one exception to this is Obama, who is noted for writing his speeches; though I suspect, and hope, that another writer critiques his work.) The problem with Palin’s speech is two-fold: 1) it was written BEFORE she was selected (confirmed by the RNC)so it does not even reflect her thinking; and, 2) it lacked substance for voters who genuinely wanted to learn something about her positions.

Regardless of how low the bar was set, her delivery was just a step above dismal. The high pitched nasal whine and the pointed left index finger are clear violations of every consultants rules of deliver and stage presence. At times she reverted to‘nagging wife’ mode and that is the death of women in politics. She played well to the base who believe that she can do no wrong. She did not play well at all with independent women or moderate conservative men.

Criticizing Palin’s lack of experience is only sexists to those who are able to delude themselves into thinking that she has some relevant qualification. There is also nothing in her academic background that qualifies her to be VP. I live in a state with a second term male governor who is a lawyer, has a >70% approval rating and served in the state legislature. I will vote for him in November. He has far more substantive experience than Palin but he is not qualified to be VPOTUS.

Let us not forget that there are 19 cities in the US with greater population than the State of Alaska. Are all of those mayors qualified to be VP?

Palin is what you get when the VP selection is made for the sole purpose of creating a surprise factor to take the shine off of your opponent’s performance.

Posted by: small town official | September 4, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

First of all I would like to say as a woman,that if you want to play in the big yard then don't complain when people question your background and your world view.

Having said that, Ms Palin entered the political arena of her own accord, no one forced her to accept her parties nomination. For all the women that say that the coverage of Ms Palin has been sexist, you cannot have it both ways.

For example,there is a common school of thought that I have seen in just about every site, that to question how she handled her office as mayor of Wasilla and as governor of Alaska, and by actually delving into "troopergate" that somehow that is sexist.

Now hold on a second, you can't say on one hand that its time for a woman to crack the glass ceiling, then on the other hand have her treated with kid skin gloves because she is a woman, its ludicrous.Not to mention it shows the hypocrisy that has become the feminist movement. You can want to have equal pay for equal work,want to break the glass ceiling, then cry "sexism" when called on the carpet justifiably for your actions and positions.

What is so strange is that the news media was doing its job by looking into how she has run her offices in Alaska, and what her family life is like. This is what happens when you run for public office. Just because you are female doesn't mean you should get a pass and be treated like a fragile egg. By being in public office she put her family under scrutiny.
Here is a politician that happens to be a woman, that is pro-life, supports abstinence for sex education, that happens to have a teenage daughter who is pregnant. How is covering the fact that she has this this position for abstinence and happens to have a teenage pregnant daughter sexist? Why is her family off the table? Her policy positions and her family situation are in direct odds with each other.It shows that the policy she supports is a faulty one and the proof is her daughter standing right next to her.

Now if this were a male candidate with the same views it would be open season on him with the press. How is it sexism to point this out? Not to mention his own party would probably be crucifying him right now.

But because Sarah Palin is a woman, and their party wants to retain power so badly, they are willing to overlook the hypocrisy of the whole situation, and say that the coverage is sexist. It is unbelievable that they have taken this position.

There are a lot of people women it seem in particular that get upset with the use of the word "shrill" as a description for her speaking. I am sorry I listened to her speech in total and the use of the word shrill can only be described as a polite way to describe what she did last night.

And as far as the other party having to watch how they treat her especially after some of the comments she made last night, you have got to be kidding. The rule that I have always lived by is if you can dish it out you can take it.The whole idea that because she is a woman that she has to be treated more gently than a man sets back the women's movement about one hundred years. Its amazing how us women want to be treated equally, but yet when it comes down to it, oh no not really, its "oh if they attack her it will look like bullying" Come on lets have some real discourse on feminism. Stop this pandering and soft sell about how to treat women.

With the way she came out last night I say let her have it if you got it.

Posted by: whirrll | September 4, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

So now after 8 years of Yosemite Sam as president, I'm being asked to vote for Yosemite Sarah for vice president. Not gonna happen.

Posted by: john P north side | September 4, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

i was a former republican, and i barely recognize the values that this party once stood for.....i wonder what lincoln thinks?

Posted by: bitter independent | September 4, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I haven't read all of the comments above, but I do want to add that I thought she did a fantastic job for what she was there to do...mobilize/energize the base. I think her speech was very, well 'snarky'. She seems to love telling people what they want to hear. It's hard to not to do well when you have a cheering section. I also am surprised that Dems are surprised by her ability....she was a journalist, mayor and governor. This is going to be a slugfest and it looks like Sen. McCain, the first punch was yours.

Posted by: CH from Bowie, MD | September 4, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

pure theatre - u are correct on some of that but lets not forget how well BILL CLINTON brought oral sex into the oval office. Palin's daughter has nothing to do with her career, just like john edwards adultry had nothing to do with his VP campaign.

Posted by: FYI | September 4, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

There are a lot of pointy-headed-liberal men out there who would have you believe they are sensitive and caring souls, and intelligent too.
They sound like a bunch of chauvinist pigs that are unable to deal with strong women.
I'm a PUMA for McCain/Palin.

Posted by: Susan | September 4, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I love to read most of your dribble. If any of you bush/republican bashers out there can tell me what the o mighty has over palin, tell me. you fools

Posted by: ssmith | September 4, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I will say this about Palin, which should be completely obvious.

She is pro-right to live, and guess what? Delivered a Baby with Downs syndrome.

She even cut the budget for special care children in Alaska, despite that she might even benefit from the programs.

To me, that says, she made a decision about how bad/out of whack/flat out stupid the program must have been to gut it.

I for one, believe she did EXACTLY what she needed to do and say. She came out swinging, and landing tough punches.

Today, I have scoured the net, and watched more of her. She holds her own. Everything I saw, she holds her own. She is not arrogant or overly judgmental. She has INVITED the special probe that is investigating her.

I am just going to love her campaigning with a baby. Think about it, if she can do that, where is the "whole glass" ceiling thing, and it just went right out the window.

Over time, as she proves herself, I have no doubt she will now, Palin has set the whole left wing culture on its ear. She just put everyone on a new cultural note? Red and Blue states....Not just the left wing.

Putting the jet on eBay? Not once, 3 times to sell it. Three times is ummm balls, and conviction. And not backing down.

Palin is a "real" woman. She is just going from the PTA, to rocking the american culture in ways, the left just don't want to see and didn't ever see coming.

And it is coming. No doubt.

Posted by: Paul | September 4, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

The Dems doth protest too much,methinks.

Posted by: Carthage | September 4, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

It cracks me up when you dems attack Palin's experience. Barack has spent the majority of his time in the senate running for president and when he was there he voted present nearly 130 times. He couldn't make a decision if his life depended on it. We have a do-nothing congress, and if he wins, we'll have a do-nothing president as well.

Posted by: Dale | September 4, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Pro-Choice now renamed Pro-abortion or Pro Birth Control.

Because its only choice if you believe in terminating a pregnancy or taking the

Thank you for condemning the right to choose life and for condemning Catholic Teaching.

And Thank you most of all for saying that mistakes can only be made if you are a Democrat. Oh, I am sorry, If a Democrat makes a mistake you "don't want them punished with a baby". Obama

McCaine/Palin 2008

Vote No for Nobama because all we will have left is change.


I'm not a democrat I am a Libertarian and I don't want government in my womb. I don't care one bit about your religion.
Don't believe in abortion then don't have one!

Posted by: Beth | September 4, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Dear John P north side:

Please don't insult my most favorite Looney Toon character Yosemite Sam by comparing him to the renegade hillbilly fake-me-out president that we have now.

The Democratic Warrior

Posted by: The Democratic Warrior | September 4, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

What answer are you folks looking for? What substance were you expecting? Who are you comparing Palin's speech with? Obama's? Biden's? How are most of you, all of a sudden gurus about speeches? So you don't like what you heard, so you thought it was amateurish at best - does that change the fact that she was in front of the country introducing herself as the VP for the GOP? She leveled the playing fields with jabs of her own, and now it's a crime. How is it that someone of Palin's stature is placed so high on a pedestal? Did any of you folks know her personally? A lot of us are blinded by our personal convictions. Nobody here really hated the context of the speech. The speech read was not same speech you'd want to hear from someone you don't completely know. Since many here are phenomenal speech critics - can someone create a speech and LET US TELL YOU WHO AND WHAT YOU ARE based on that speech. Let me be the first to cast that stone. That seems to be trend in here. 8th grade level? Think again oh great critics. What grade are you in?

Posted by: sterilite | September 4, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

For being liberal and wanting everyone to be free, the basic definition of liberty, the DEMs only want people that agree with them and fit within their narrow definitions of acceptable behavior. Palin does not fit their ideal of a woman running for political office so attempt to discredit her instead of accepting someone from a different region of the world. DEMs continue to think most people in the US are not citizens but people they need to either forcibly change or eliminate from society. What is wrong with people who are different than you, DEMs? Why do you hate most citizens so much?

Posted by: Tim from Cleveland | September 4, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

$$$$$$$$$$$ 10 million$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ raised one day after speech for OBAMA!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

It does not seem that there are very many here who were enthralled by the speech given by Gov. Palin, but I certainly was (and still am!). If any of you crafted speeches for a living as I do, you would certainly recognize what a monumental feat Gov. Palin pulled off. Some of you try it. Go and give a decent fifteen minute speech before some civic group in your area (which audience will be about 36,999,950 less people than the governor spoke before). I believe that then some of you will understand that delivering a speech well is much harder than what most of you do for a living. Then go and try walk the walk that you spell out in your speech as Gov. Palin obviously must be doing in Alaska (her approval rating is merely 80%). As for the rest of you who think it is easy and disparage what Palin accomplished (as Dionne does with his usual pomposity), all I can say is, in the words of your man, "you just don't get it."

Posted by: therev98 | September 4, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Isn't anyone else out there concerned about a parent and vice president who would parade their unwed pregnant teenager at the national convention? What are you going to say when your teenage daughter says, its okay - the vice president and her daughter are okay with it?

Posted by: reproductive responsilbility | September 4, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Well, I disagree with you. The speech was amazing. What is more incredible is how you attack her "lack of foreign policy experience." She will be VP, but Obama who could be President, has no foreign policy experience. That is even sacrier!

Posted by: J Weed | September 4, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Joe, I wish your post was meant as a joke - you don't care about research, well that explains a lot about the supporters of the McCain/Palin ticket. And the Thomas Register is the official record of Congress, that is not partisan spin - it is still true regardless of whether I add my opinions afterwards.

And BTW, if you really care, why didn't you pretend real conservatives get behind Ron Paul or the Libertarian Party? Wouldn't they actually stop the corruption, not just shift the pork from one set of interest groups to another per one's preference?

Posted by: Neil B | September 4, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

San Diego:

I guess you're not well informed on your ideology. Socialism and capitalism are not opposites. Socialism is just government-sponsored capitalism. The rhetoric is humanitarian, but the actions are pro-business and pro-rich in the final analysis. Dostoevsky figured that out and explained it fairly well in his "Brothers Karamazov" over a century ago.

There are three political ideologies vying for allegiance in America today: Socialism, Fascism, and (for lack of an established category) Individualism. The problem is that the first two are basically Statism are pro-corporation; they differ only in form (one robs individual liberties for the good of society, the other does it in the name of national security [or religious morality]). Individualism is underrepresented these days, though it does at least get lip service among Republicans.

I don't think Palin has had to think much about these things, but I think her instincts are individualistic. Let's just hope she doesn't accept neocon indoctrination. Right now, she's the only one on the main stage that supports individual freedoms.

Posted by: Alan Lockett | September 4, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

It's so hilarious that the same wingers who complained that Obama's "only knows how to give speeches" are now hyperventilating over Sarah Palin's speech, crafted for her by GWB's speechwriters.

From everything I've read, she's not a good governor at all and was a poor mayor. But someone wrote a good speech and she delivered it well.

It doesn't take much to impress you guys.

PS: John McCain is as Washington insider as they come. He's been in Congress for nearly 30 years.

Posted by: Penny Dreadful | September 4, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama has voted "present", never having the gumption to step up and say what he really feels, unlike Palin. Dems had me with Hillary but Obama has lost this race bring a new form of discrimination. Not about black or white its about feminism now.

Posted by: Independent | September 4, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Convincing all of Hillary's supporters isn't necessary for McCain to win the election. I don't know for certain, but I think convincing 10% to 15% in key states will probably enough for McCain to win.

I voted for Hillary in the primary, and will be voting for McCain in the general.

Sorry folks, but the Dems just don't have the goods this time around. You should have put Hillary on the ticket.

Posted by: JustAnotherVoter | September 4, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

FYI - you miss the point, it seems

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

bitter independent - it's funny how you CLAIM republicans are doing all the bashing when DEMS clearly out weighs the bashing going on.

Posted by: FYI | September 4, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

JWeed, Obama is on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, that gives him real FoPo experience.

But like I have been saying, if you really like conservatism why not support Ron Paul?

Posted by: Neil B | September 4, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Though I found Palin remarkably confident and self possessed for someone so young and provincial, to Sally1860's description of her speech as "snide and sarcastic" I would add insinuating and spiteful. She just didn't strike me as a very nice person. She might not have written all that nastiness but she sure sounded like she meant it.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Neil B - OBAMA also first claimed that the UN should handle georgia conflict while everyone knows Russia has veto power on the UN.

Posted by: FYI | September 4, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention -- what I called Individualism used to be called liberalism, until it got subverted by the Fabians and "progressives"...

Posted by: Alan Lockett | September 4, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

pure theatre: your screen name is very apropos. Except for everything wrong in your comme3nts, they are mostly correct.

PS - Gos IS trying to help you. Why do you think McCain and Palin were nominated?

You are drunk with the Satanic Kool-Aid of the Democratic Party.

Chill out Go find Monice and share a good cigar like Dick Clinton used to do.

It'll all be over before you know it.

Posted by: dNova | September 4, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous - you fail to post the point missed, please explain. which post was missed?

Posted by: FYI | September 4, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Ron Paul supported isolationism- an ostrich is most vulnerable when its head is in the sand.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm an independent Hillary supporter and all I came away thinking was "wow... what a mean lady." They over played the Hillary tough gal card. Hillary wasn't told to go out and be some man's pitbull. Hillary had grit and determination won from years of proving herself inspite of ridicule. Sarah Palin has a 72 year old man with a bad temper telling her to quite frankly be his B-I-T-C well you know the rest.

Women are not as stupid as the republicans think. i don't know a single woman who saw this and said I'm gonna vote for McCain. It really just made us hate him and his misogynistic condescending ways even more.

Posted by: Deb | September 4, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Dear Democratic Warrior,

Re: Your vagina (pardon the reference)

Please explain why men should have to pay child support then.

If the choice is entirely the woman's, then why should a man have to share the responsibility if he has none of the rights?

With rights come responsibility.

Posted by: El-Dub | September 4, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Not about black or white its about feminism now.


Please. Since when is Palin a feminist. Has she declared herself to be one? Gloria Steinem herself said Palin is unfit for the job. Peggy Noonan agrees.

Posted by: Penny Dreadful | September 4, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Well, thank goodness someone said it! There was absolutely no substance in that speech - only snarky and belittling attacks on Obama. I hope Americans have the good sense to see through the fact that this woman is being PREPARED by BUSH advisors. And McCain is promising us change tonight? Give me a break, I'm not stupid.

Posted by: Tanya | September 4, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

The party affiliation and campaigns do not matter. It is the conduct of the elected officials that matters most. We Americans do not hold our politicians or federal government accountable for their actions or inactions. When AG Janet Reno was using Federal Agents to chase dead-beat dads in the early 90's, the sub prime mortgage problem went unchecked. Without enforcement the corporations and its people made bad choices that affected us. Regardless of the party, there has always been an issue or problem in each administration. Hold government and the actions of individuals accountable to the people. Be honorable in all your actions.

Posted by: An American | September 4, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

The speech was random garbage.
Her attack on a woman's right to choose is garbage.
McCain looks like he needs to be defibrillated before he goes on stage. He looks like a walking corpse. If you watch his health closely, if he were to pass away, that would make Mrs. Alaska the de facto president.

As a former Hillary supporter, I can't vote in the direction of someone who is politically opposed to pretty much everything Hillary stood for, and just happens to be a woman.

Posted by: KD | September 4, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

pure theatre comment at 9:44 nails the absurdity of it all. All those dems trying to respond to the angry drivel of the repubs here are wasting their breath, we are all elitist, liberal snobs no matter what reason or thinking you try to bring to the discussion. Let's be honest from the repub point of view.... Sarah Plain delivered a great speech! .Rove was proud. Rush was proud...but the great irony of the story is Noonan... yesterday caught on the open microphone on MSNBC before the Plain speech (Google noonan palin if you don't believe it) she said----"Asked if Palin is the most qualified Republican woman to be McCain's running mate, Noonan replied: "The most qualified? No. I think they went for this, excuse me, political bull&4#! about narratives and [inaudible] the picture." ...Google it to read the entire thing quite the most beautiful demonstration of hypocrisy ..... THAT'S NOT an ELITE LIBERAL COMMIE TALKING THAT IS REAGAN'S SPEECH WRITER!

Posted by: EBLAIR2 | September 4, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Joe, I wish your post was meant as a joke - you don't care about research, well that explains a lot about the supporters of the McCain/Palin ticket.



Wish granted. It was a joke. :)

The point I suppose I was trying to make is that sure, the information on all of these issues is out there, but nobody seems to care. Most voters have that one issue deep down that they really care about (probably abortion, gun control, death penalty, taxes, or illegal immigration), and nothing else matters to them. Who ever is on the wrong side of the Magic Issue is either a Republican't or a Demo[put anything here, it doesn't even matter anymore].

I think it's great that information on voting records, sponsored bills, press releases, old speeches, old news footage, etc. are all available to every voter who wants to educate themselves on the positions of their candidates. It's just too bad nobody cares.

Posted by: Joe | September 4, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Neil B, being on a committee and not doing anything doesn't give you experience. Do your research!

Posted by: J Weed | September 4, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I think the talking heads on TV were bullied by the Republican party in advance, not to say anything negative about Palin. They kept raising the issue of gender over over as to why she was being treated unfairly. The media was clearly afraid to honestly state their opinion of the speech. I am still trying to see what was great about that speech. It was full of smug punch-lines and no substance. She came across as an angry smarta$$ person. I hope like hell she is on the first dog-sled to Alaska in November.

When will the Republican party stop using 9-11 to scare the American people for votes? Tonight they used it again at their convention. These b@$tards have no shame.

Posted by: dre | September 4, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

For pure theater-

Sorry cry baby, you can pray all you want but GOD is on OUR side.

Sarah and John, when they get to the white house, will be the final solution for all you homo libs out there. We're gonna go out and round you'll up, put you on trains and send you to the fires of hell where you abortion having moslem lovers belong.

You need jesus boy. We are the party of the Apocolypse my friends. We will lay the groundwork for the second coming of the Lord in all his greatness and this shall be done by Sarah!

Hail Sarah! Praise God!

Posted by: Smite The Wicked | September 4, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama must have been crapping his pants last night. McCain Palin all the way. I don't understand how anyone can take Obama seriously. What a joke

Posted by: Me | September 4, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

to my fellow American liberals, you need to get out more talk to people that do not agree with you, you will learn more, Do not stay in the major media bubble, they are not telling you the whole story. Palin is dangerous, just look how the media is going after her, of the press was a combat battalion, and palin was the taliban, the war would be over now. It was a cheap shot about the "written" speech, it wasn't "hers" everyone has speech writters, yes even obama.

it is interesting the similarities that she shares with obama both are "inexperienced" well at least one seems inexperienced now, both have speech writers, both speak well in front of a teleprompter. But Palin as a telegenic presence similar to obama's but better. She amazed me in how she able to come through the TV and into our living rooms. The only time i have seen that happen is when obama gave his first speech in front of the DNC and also when reagan spoke.

but there is something different, and this is where i caution you to get out more, our "noble" blogger failed to mention, Palin's prompter was malfunctioning through most of her speech. so she had to wing a lot of it, i have seen obama unprepared, without his prompter he is pathetic without it

Another thing i wish to point out, sen. biden already is couching his performance in their upcoming debate, i.e. he is terrified of the "eighth grade" performance. hmmmm

oh i also want to mention because it wasn't brought up in the blog even though it has been out for several hours now, obama and mccian are tied now.

Posted by: eyes opened | September 4, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

dNova is a fascist too

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Ron Paul supported isolationism- an ostrich is most vulnerable when its head is in the sand.


Ron Paul is a great man and a TRUE conservative. I, like many others, who believe in the constitution will be writing in Ron Paul or voting for Bob Barr.


Posted by: Dawn | September 4, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

I was estatic when McCain chose Palin because she was a woman and I thought that this is our chance and I hope that she will do us all proud.

Then things started coming out about her and I just prayed that they are false. But, I can't debunk the fact that she is an Alaskan Independence member or was a member. That she wants Alaska to be a separate country from the Union.

AIP's motto is "Alaska First. Alaska Always."

And I don't see her wearing an American flag either! 2 younger wet behind the ears candidates who could be presidents and both might be unpatriotic. What is the world coming to?

At least there is Bob Barr whom I KNOW is patriotic!

Posted by: a Moderate Republican | September 4, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

The REAL reason why McCain picked Palin:

Pretty interesting perspective...

Posted by: LaRae | September 4, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

The speech was great Period! As for substance what did the Dems talk about last week. I crossed over when everyone fell in love with the unknown, and trashed "H" the most qualified Dem in the race.

Posted by: Pat the former Dem | September 4, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

For the past 8 years I have not gotten a raise. Times are tough. People are losing their homes. Gas prices are sky high. I want someone who is going to put money in my pocket. I had 8 years with 2 men in the oil business. I'm not about to vote for anyone in the oil business this year. Ask yourself do you see all the foreclosures around you or is it just me. A wise man once told me, I always had money in my pocket when the dem was in. I'm not going to vote for a woman, because of what she is reading. Let her stand alone and someone ask her questions on the issues at hand. This country is in trouble so make your vote count.

Posted by: Davy | September 4, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: White is Alright | September 4, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Survey USA ---Palin Speech Moves Independents: Results of two nationwide polls conducted by SurveyUSA show Sarah Palin's speech at the Republican National Convention on the evening of 09/03/08 has helped the McCain campaign.

24 hours ago, independent voters nationwide were split on whether Palin was an asset or a liability to McCain's campaign. Today, by a 2:1 margin, independents say Palin is an asset. Overnight, the percentage calling the Alaska governor an asset to the campaign climbed 13 points; the percentage calling her a liability fell 17 points.

"The numbers are similar among moderates, who 24 hours ago viewed Palin as a liability by an 11 point margin; today, Palin is seen as an asset by an 18 point margin.

Betting Line Changes: 24 hours ago, when asked if they would bet on Obama or McCain becoming president, Obama was a 16:15 favorite; today, it's flipped, and McCain is favored by the same ratio."

Posted by: beagle | September 4, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

I don't care if she has speech writers (honestly, do you think politicians who spend millions on the campaign trail would leave these things to chance?) I care about the fact that she said nothing. The fact that she is a woman, and a mother, and young, lends her this sudden false celebrity that rivals that of Obama. And while maybe this celebrity can't be helped, she could have said something to justify it. I want to know why a "small-town" girl is the best thing for this country.

Posted by: Kelsey | September 4, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama is going to put money in your pocket?? Please.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

you mentioned that Palin made a speech written by a speech writer. This is also true of Obama, Biden and McCain. They all have done this. You are just showing your liberal bias again

Posted by: paul | September 4, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm just shocked, shocked I tell you, at the way all the sexist media has been treating Palin.

Yeah, right.

These are the same people who were saying "Hillary has no right to complain about sexism. If you are the president, and you are negotiating with russia, you can't go crying 'no fair, they are sexist'".

This is just a convenient excuse to bat down any valid criticism. Palin has some valid problems as a candidate, and no one is allowed to talk about them?

This is just more politics as usual... yell scream call names.

Posted by: John B | September 4, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Wow! I watched the Palin speech last night, and I almost lost my dinner. I was so excited to hear what she had to say, but after all of the nose crinkling and references to local government positions. What I wanted to hear was what she can provide to the ticket to secure a Republican victory. How is she different from President Bush, who has run the economy in the ground using scare tactics of terror plots unjust wars. I wanted to hear how she can bring this economy out of the tank, what she plans to do about the unemployment rates, and most of all, how she is qualified to be president. After all, her running mate, John McCain was preparing to fly combat missions over Vietnam before Sarah Palin was even born.

Posted by: Douglas | September 4, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Mccain has been senator for long, he has worked on laws and reforms, Over the time he gained reach experience of economic and cultural and political issues.
He is patriot and above all good person. What a biased media is this !!! they want to push Obama at any cost they played a wrong role getting Bush elected second time they are doing it again,Shame on you media

Posted by: MRN | September 4, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

You Democrats aren't fooling anyone. You are furious and your tantrums are child-like. Sarah Palin pick is why they call John McCain a maverick. Now you really understand, and you are so afraid of losing this election that you are showing your true colors.
Sarah Palin, a women, is going to be your vice president, and who knows about 2012.
Deal with it!!!

Posted by: Mary | September 4, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

She came off as personable, with more natural delivery than most politicians, such as the Gov. from Hawaii, who introduced her.

Let's hear her talk before the press, BEFORE being drilled and prepped. Why is that outrageous? If she is like McCain, and doesn't know the difference between Suni and Shia, let's hear it now. We'll know that Lieberman will have to accompany both her and gramps, and whisper things in their ear.

She successfully turned the election into one issue: abortion. Huge accomplishment. This is the ONLY issue for people on the religious right.

As a holy roller (Assemblies of God, largest Pentecostal church in the U.S.), she'll be speaking in tongues and receiving word-of-knowledge from the Holy Spirit on a regular basis I assume, when to bomb, bomb, bomb Iran, and how far to go when torturing any suspects. Hope that works out better than Bush's communication with the Almighty, which seems more to be a trillion dollar war over daddy issues, and dozens of other problems we didn't have.

For me, true Christians don't even get into politics. They love their enemies. The don't go to war to kill anyone. So what we get is the nutty buddy Christians types with a smile, and blood thirst.

So, Sarah's super patriot husband has belonged to a group who is so baked Alaska, they want to secede from U.S., so they can have all that oil money for themselves, and be free of government. That's real American, eh? American, like a Scientologist or other nutty cult. I'm with Noonan. She is a joke.

Who know? I'm cynical. I have been in anguish over Bush's decisions since before 9/11, when he wasn't doing a damn thing about Osama Bin Laden, a person I was worried about.

Now, I'm worried about the economy in the toilet, health care, the war, having a president in Bush whom I can't stand to listen to and on and on. Now we'll get a semi-senile old...and a hockey mom. Why not Paris Hilton? Can't wait until they start banning abortion, throwing gays in concentration camps, and making us watch one G-rated TV station.

Posted by: Frank G. | September 4, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone hear Peggy Noonan (solid republican!) when she thought the mic was off?

She said Palin is "unqualified" and that naming her for veep was "gimmicky" and "politically motivated" and "disgusting"

Boy, if there are republicans that think this... how low has McCain sunk?

Posted by: Xact | September 4, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

If you vote or don't vote for someone based on someone else's critique, it says more about you than it says about the candidate or the one writing the critique. Please take the time to do your research. Read orginal sources; form your own opinions. Don't fall the hype.

Oh, what the heck. You want do it and you'll get what you deserve. I just wish I didn't have to live thru the consequences for eight more years.


Posted by: Mary | September 4, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Good point, for someone who's family is off limits she sure spent a lot of her speech talking about them.

Personally, what turns me off about Palin is her long history of petty and vengeful firings of career civil servants. It reminds me of the Bush cronyism; favoring loyalty over competence. Beyond the practical cost of this sort of behavior, it is incredibly hateful and unethical.

Posted by: Patrick | September 4, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Why are people so impressed by someone who can read someone else's words, displayed on a teleprompter? Did they expect her to drool in a cup? The biographical part of her speech was interesting, since nobody really knows her, but the second half was far too snarky and sarcastic. How does she propose to make America better?

More to the point: she opened the McCain campaign to the type of counter attack that Obama likes best, firing at your opponent with their own arrows. It was a mistake for Palin to tout her executive experience; she garnered 600+ votes in her first election as Mayor of Wasilla and 900+ votes in the second. There are high school elections with more votes than that. She should have simply touted her judgment, much like Obama has, and stay silent on the experience issue.

Second, the GOP seemed to be fixated on the notion of Obama's role as a "community organizer" when he was in his mid-20's; the intended connotation was that Obama was a do-nothing radical activist-in-training. Palin belittled his role. Big mistake. What Obama did as a young man was no different than what local churches and charities try to do all the time. He advocated for job training for laid off steel workers, after-school programs, and improved playgrounds. This is no different than activities contemplated by Bush 41's "1,000 points of light" or Bush 43's faith-based initiatives. Count on a serious counter punch on this one.

Posted by: terminator_x | September 4, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

This is for EBLAIR2 Your facts are wrong.

Republican-speechwriter-turned-columnist Peggy Noonan was a center of attention Wednesday when, in a casual conversation inadvertently recorded after she had wrapped up an appearance on MSNBC, she seemed to say that, in her view, John McCain had no chance of winning the presidency.

"It's over" Noonan can be heard saying on the clip as she, NBC political director Chuck Todd and Mike Murphy (another one-time GOP political operative) discuss the ramifications of McCain's pick of Sarah Palin as his running mate.

Noonan has since clarified the context of her comment, and it's not as has been interpreted, she says.

She doesn't believe McCain can't win. Indeed, in a message she sent out after the conversation on the MSNBC set made it onto YouTube, she noted that "at an on-the-record press symposium on the campaign on Monday, when all of those on the panel were pressed to predict who would win, I said that I didn't know, but that we just might find, 'This IS a country for old men.' That is, McCain may well win. I do not think the campaign is over, I do not think this is settled ..."

Her "it's over" comment, she said, referred to the assumption among some GOP leaders that reactions within the Republican base -- such as the enthusiastic embrace of Palin -- reflect the attitudes of most Americans. It is those days, Noonan says, that are "over."

Posted by: independent | September 4, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm so sick of the highrolling Republicans calling the Democratic party elite - what a stupid thing - but I guess it works since so many moderate income people still vote for the Party that keeps selling their jobs to overseas markets. Palin's speech written for a generic Male VP with a few twangy personal life comments was so riddled by holes it should be called the Swiss Cheese Speech.

Oops - does that sound elite?

Posted by: paul | September 4, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Presumably, the audience watching the Republican convention was more Republican than the normal audience. Therefore, the households surveyed would be more positive than the population as a whole. It wasn't a bad reading, but I've honestly heard speeches for Library Board that were better. What effect it will have is problematic. It's hard to see the LWV and other goo-goo typess embracing it. It also seems a little "Hard Shell Baptist" for my wife's Methodist relatives in Central Illinois, but I may be wrong.

Posted by: Phrank | September 4, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

If we are checking facts and making statements that Sarah Palin didn't have any substance in her speech last night, well maybe she could have included bills in the past year or so that Obama didn't vote on. No he didn't vote "yes" and he didn't vote "no". I just pulled some of the bills that I know influence my life:

Consumer Product Safety Commission Bill HR 4040
Health Care for Indigenous Peoples S 1200
Prohibiting the Funds in S 1200 from Being Used for Abortions S Amdt 389
Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 HR 2082
Economic Stimulus Plan HR 5140 NV
Defense Authorizations Bill HR 4986
Inclusion of Iraq and Afghanistan Military Operations Funding with the Consolidated Appropriations HR 2764
Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill) HR 2419
Energy Act of 2007
Water Resources Development Act of 2007 HR 1495
Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies HR 3043
Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 (CHIP) HR 3963
Border Fence and Customs Appropriations S Amdt 3117
National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 HR 1585
State Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization HR 976
Bridge Repair Funding S Amdt 2792

Now you understand why many of us are excited to cast our vote for a ticket that will actually do some work for us...GO Mccain/Palin!!!

Posted by: Aaron | September 4, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

The mainstream media is so one sided they have lost common sense perspective of the American people. Here are two comments from other media sources that put it in its true context.

A column in London's Daily Telegraph says, "Like Margaret Thatcher before her, Mrs. Palin is coming in for both barrels of left-wing contempt: misogyny and snobbery."

Brit Hume (FOX News) remarked that the only other person he knew that could recover from a teleprompter snafu like she did was Bill Clinton.

Posted by: John E. Garst, Ph.D. | September 4, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

greatest speech ever given by a political candidate!! She will go down in history!! I intend to write her name in as president and John as VP!! This woman is the second coming of Jesus Christ....

Posted by: Robert Gorman | September 4, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Palin has more executive experience than John McCain

Posted by: Paul Smith | September 4, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Xact: and a bunch of other conservatives have lined up against Palin as being unqualified:

David Frum, Charles Krautheimer, Mike Mullen, ...

What was McCain thinking? I was sure he wanted to have Lieberman...

Posted by: Xact2 | September 4, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I think McCain made a blunder with his choice of Palin. When all the truth (and very bad news) about her came out, she should have stepped aside. McCain could then have chosen Ridge or someone much better and saved his chances this fall.

Her desire to stop abortions for victims of rape or incest is a policy that only the Taliban (or the Republican Right) could love. It's inhuman. No wonder her daughter rebelled against her mother and turned elsewhere to meet her various needs.

Posted by: Dr.Snarkey | September 4, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

The rave reviews aren't because of that.

The rave reviews are to fair and balance back out the election because people are terrified of the idea of Palin as president... of having someone that unqualified to lead in the White House... and Obama was starting to run away with it.

Population of Far South Side of Chicago in 2000: 250,000

Population of Wasilla, Alaska in 2000: 6,500

Population of Illinois: 30M

Population of Alaska: 650k

They wanted to talk about who's was bigger... ok, now we know.

The media can't make money on this election if Barack runs away with it now.

So they fair and balance it out for the GOP like they always do.

Sarah Palin never gave one order to the national guard. The most serious thing her predecessor and the national guard dealt with in 2006 was a church fire. Fact. Reported by her own Alaska paper.

Many news commentators have spoken up about what a joke Palin's nomination is.

That's just reality coming through.

And it'll continue to come through, because there's no avoiding reality in this election. It's too important this time around. The country's in serious trouble, and ever since 911, the GOP has been asleep at the wheel.

It's game over for McCain.

Palin is a flop.

The media will prop her up for a little while here to keep people interested and looking at their advertisements...

but they aren't going to flush the country down the drain this time either.

Palin's got too much dirty laundry. Way too much. And it'll be fun for the media to report it. They love scandals, and Palin's got far far far more than her share.

And now Abramoff is coming out with a tell all book on John McCain at the end of the month.

It's game over.

Posted by: JD | September 4, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

EJ Dionne,

Well said. Palin's speech was flat and full of holes. She offered criticism, cynicism and no substance. Yet, the class-clowns in the MSM, whom Palin lashed out, lauded the speech as successful. This is why so many voters are turned off by the political process in our country. There are two serious candidates with concrete policies on the democratic side. And there are two cynical candidates on the republican side with a narrative and no substantive agenda.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

EJ Dionne,

Well said. Palin's speech was flat and full of holes. She offered criticism, cynicism and no substance. Yet, the class-clowns in the MSM, whom Palin lashed out, lauded the speech as successful. This is why so many voters are turned off by the political process in our country. There are two serious candidates with concrete policies on the democratic side. And there are two cynical candidates on the republican side with a narrative and no substantive agenda.

Posted by: Jamie | September 4, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: tim | September 4, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Which McCain do you think you are electing?

The one who was for taxes, or the one who was against.

The one who was for getting out of Iraq or the one who was for it.

The one who wrote the Immigration bill or the one who voted against it.

McCain has changed his position on EVERYTHING. Once I thought that he was really motivated by what he thought was right -- now I think he is just motivated by what he thinks will get him elected. Case and Point : Palin. I simply don't believe this was anything but an attempt to energize the base (maybe it will work). But deep down, I think he really wanted someone he knew better, like leiberman or ridge.

Posted by: Fly | September 4, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Finally, a sane, sober evaluation of Palin's red-faced rant!

Posted by: roje | September 4, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I had the exact same reaction.

George Staphanopolous, George Will, Sam Donaldson, Dvid Gergen (I mean, David Gergen?????), Katie Curic, Diane Sawyer, Chris Mathews, Joe Scarborough, Tom Brokaw (Tom, is that really you?: I wish Dan Rather is still overseeing these things!),,,

All these guys and women gave Palin an "A"? (but the average viewers, 40 millions, gave her a "C", some polls showed)...

I laughed so hard it hurt!

Posted by: Her Lao | September 4, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Sara Palin is the epitome of what's wrong with politics in America--nasty, divisive, and devoid of any real intelligence.

Posted by: Tony | September 4, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I saw a portion of Palin's speech and was underwhelmed to say the least....then I heard several analysts report how well she did...were they watching the same person. There was no passion, no substance, no plan or mention of what she would do to make a difference...the one-liners were mostly weak (a couple were good)...there are so many more qualified women, if McCain had to have a woman than Palin. What the heck was McCain thinking with this choice? And yet, so many Americans never listen to the discussion of issues or attempt to understand a candidate's platform and plans...their emotional reaction and the "red meat" that is thrown out there seem to be what is used by millions to make their decision regarding the leader of the free world.

It is a sad time we live in...the McCain-Palin sideshow only highlight the fact that things could get even worse!

Posted by: Frank R | September 4, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Well, here we sit in the living room, my family and I that is. Father(30 yr. Army ret., my mother, my wife, two brothers (usmc vets) and one of their spouses, my sister and husband and my self(both usa vets). We are all registered republicans and have voted as such; always. After last nights speeches and particularly, gov. Palins speech. We were all sitting there in stunned silence. We were all so embarrassed, so offended by the condesention, the sarcastic small people remarks and the outright distortion of her record and experience in particular. The left has always accused us conservatives of being less intelligent, less analytical and following the leadership of our party as a kneejerk reaction. Well while this family is not ready to vote for obama/biden, we have decided to sit this one out.

Posted by: J.R. | September 4, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Alan Lockett,

So the Republicans at least pay "lip service" to Individualism, according to you, even if they are rather thin on the delivery these days.

I don't know about you, but what you call "lip service" and find a cause for at least some small hope, I call by its proper names: spin, PR, propaganda.

And I don't buy the hope of "lip service" from Republicans any more than I buy "Hope" with a capital "H" from Obama.

I'm not particularly concerned these days about which ideology is which or which rises, which falls, or which ought triumph in the end.

That kind of intellectual historical cheerleading is fun in its way, but I prefer to try to figure out what candidates and parties might actually do. And then I vote my "class interests" [wink wink] which are the same as most Americans', if you know what I mean.

(Hint from someone who probably has had much the same education as you: leave the jargon and niggling distinctions behind if you want people to care what you have to say.)

Posted by: San Diego | September 4, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Palin's speech struck me as just political sniping. Not what we need in washington. We need someone who will change the bad policies of the last 8 years that have gotten this country into the mess it is in.

Being that McCain is 95% aligned with Bush on pretty much everything, I'd say that this doesn't constitute an iota of change.

I'm not thrilled about it, but I'll be voting Obama.

Posted by: Ardi | September 4, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

New York

Posted by: Wendy h. | September 4, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

After listening to Sarah's' speech last night, and reading all the comments..
I have decided I'd like to add a few of my own.
For starters... Hockey mom's everywhere know.. that Hockey is a team sport!
and the bullies (ENFORCERS) don't win the game.. they just cause more penalties... The talented level headed players score the goals and win the game.
When you play as a team, You win as a Team!

The mere fact Sarah & the Republic campaign have dodged reporters and questions.. of life, family, and previous Political debates means the campaign chooses not to let all Americans know who she really is. I could careless about your PTA experience, SERIOUSLY. Unless of course you were running for the School Board. I want views, I want to know...
Who's gonna support the banks when they falters from all the bad sub-prime
mortgage downfalls? Where is the money gonna come from? More taxes breaks for the RICH? Who's gonna help the millions and millions of Americans who have lost their money. What about China? who happens to owns how many of our Bonds? What would you do if they cashed them all in?
How would the country pay that debt? What about the fact... so much of our Corporate Real-Estate is owned by foreign country? How do you plan
to fix the domino effect of our Failing Economy?...
What about all the gangs?..and drug cartels that run our Country amok
are you going to sell... their graffiti walls on ebay to?
Our country has taken on a HUGE REPUBLICAN CRASH AND BURN effect.
When Bush took office... he took us from... the lost of 5000 lives in 911 to..
5000 lost lives on a battlefield and 5000 lost homes & jobs.

Do you know what happens when you lose your job? and the health Care
you then provided for your Handicap child is no longer available? Well unless of course you're RICH...and you can afford to shell
out hundreds and hundreds of dollars.. for Cobra insurance? What are your
health-care solutions?

Lastly.. if you think you'll change my mind for a Woman's vote.. you're sadly
mistaken, What kind of arrogant campaign thinks they can replace THE GREAT HILARY CLINTON, remember ... Hilary is still the BEST Woman for the job and yet she didn't get passed OBAMA. Funny thing is... I don't ever remember hearing any PTA experience in her resume.... Hands down I feel she has the most experience of ANY of the players in this race.

So Who are you? and what does it mean to be VICE PRESIDENT of the United States of America? I Hope it's not about being a pitbull/hockey mom..because you've taken the word hockey and just given it the worse meaning EVER!!!

Posted by: AmyL. | September 4, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Another vet for Obama here. I will not forgive anyone in congress (McCain) who voted to go into Iraq with no real plan of what we were going to do once we got there. What a disaster this has been. Our Military might should be used only when it is really necessary and when there is a good plan in place. Neither was the case and now we are paying a huge price.

Posted by: K.L. | September 4, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I just read the transcript of this speech. Do you know how many policy statements were made in it? One. There was one vague statement about drilling for more oil and investing in alternative energy. Don't get me wrong, the Democratic ticket has made its share of vague policy statements. But at least it MADE policy statements at the Democratic convention. If you read Biden's speech, there are at least five to ten.

Also, if "being real" means calling anyone who did well at a good university an elitist, I guess I'd rather be unreal. Seems to me that parents used to want a good education for their children. Nixon did awfully darn well at Duke Law School. Was he an elitist, too? If hoping that our president, regardless of partisan affiliation, is of higher-than-average intelligence qualifies me as an elitist, please send me an official elitist card so that I can keep it in my wallet. And about Obama just being an empty suit -- a Hollywood-esque celebrity -- does anyone remember the fact that Ronald Reagan was an actual, bona fide Hollywood actor?

I do hope that the typical American voter can see through all of this nonsense... nonsense from both sides of the political spectrum. To be perfectly honest, I'm uncomfortable with Obama's lack of experience. It's a fact that he's only been in the Senate for two years. If people want to criticize that, fine. Do we really need to hear more nonsense about him being an elitist and a celebrity, though?

Posted by: mgear | September 4, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Someone was looking for McCain's flip-flops, well, here's your list:

And ANY Hilary Clinton supporter who would vote for McCain/Palin is either completely uninformed or willfully vindictive enough to cut their nose to spite their face.

Sarah Palin as a "real person," a working mom who has the same concerns as me? Really?
As a working mom, my first concern was maternity leave: did I have it? could I afford the temporary cut in pay that came with it? Not a concern for Mrs. Palin, as Gov she was entitled to take some time off, but she didn't want to, she was back at work in 3 days. Not a decision I would've ever made.
My 2nd concern: back to work, whose taking care of my child? can I afford it? Am I working just to pay someone to take care of my child? But wait, I need the healthcare coverage from work! Not an issue for Gov Palin..Both she and her husband work, but she's never paid for childcare, she has the luxury of extended family to do it for free!
3rd concern: Does my company have a lactation room? How many break can I take from work to use it? Momma Palin has a private office as gov so I assume she could just close the door and do her thing whenever she needed to.
4th concern: I'd love to have another child, but I simply can't afford it. The childcare costs are just too prohibitive. But hey, when you have free childcare, like Ms. Palin, why not have 5 kids?
Besides all this, yes, I'm a working mother, but I'm more than that. I believe in science: global warming is real, evolution is real, abstinence-only education doesn't work (and the irony is that that truth has been shoved in her face with brutal reality, but she still won't acknowledge it!). She claims Democrats want to control Americans and tell us what to do, but the Dems are not the ones telling me who I can marry, the Dems are not telling me what I can do with my own body, the Dems aren't trying to push their religion in my son's school and in the public square.
I could go on, but I won't.

Posted by: Chicat | September 4, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

No wonder McCain thinks Palin is his soulmate: she's a bully just like he is!

Posted by: Tre | September 4, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

minor correction: Obama's been in the senate 4 years, not 2.

Posted by: minor | September 4, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

I see here from these posts that Sarah Palin must have made a huge impact or my Democratic friends posting here wouldn't be throwing out so many misinformed facts. You Guys and Gals are silly. Hey, we are all Americans and we will never agree on anything as a country, we just won't, but I think we will agree that this will be a close election and I hope that we are doing our own research and not listening to those who call themselves journalists. Also, this post site would be a lot more exciting if people came up with their own talking points and didn't try to tow the line of the party they favor. God Bless Us All!

Posted by: Bill | September 4, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

As someone who works with middle school and high school students, very posh school, on fundamental science (mathematics, biology, chemistry, physics, as well as history and other things), I am incredulous that we may possibly have a PRESIDENT who actually not only believes in "CREATIONISM" but also thinks it should be taught next to, if not in place of, evolutionary science --- a woman who ridicules a Harvard education (and Obama since he went there), Harvard one of tower giants of intellectual institutions of mankind.....

This was a backwoods mayor of a town of, what?, 7,000 people (and then, for 15 months, the governor of Alaska, with a population of mostly moose and deer hunters),,, a couple hundred miles across from Siberia,,,where Russia sent many of its most gifted writers, thinkers, and scientists to do hard labor and to die...

What does her gender have to do with the fact that she is UNEDUCATED, ill-suited, and intellectually challenged to lead the most mighty nation on earth (remember, McCain is 73 and his health is not like it was when he was in his 40's)...

Posted by: Her Lao | September 4, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's speech moved me to tears and I was proud that this woman stood and delivered with all the tabloid reporting and the Democratic smear campaign attacking her from every side - even attacking her children.

That said - Michelle Obama had her speech drafted by speechwriters and used a teleprompter and even had her children professionally coached.

But Michelle is running for "wife" and Sarah Palin is running for "Vice President" so the double standard is liberally applied to Sarah Palin.

As long as women keep in their place they can have speechwriters, teleprompters, professional coaching and it is all okay. But run for a high level leadership position and get meanly demeaned in every manner - as done with this article and nearly 90% of all articles in the Washington Post.

Time for all women to unite and say ENOUGH to bidotry and discrimination and say CHANGE for equal opportunity for all women.

This Democrat will be voting for ALL women's equal opportunity to have a fair chance in America - I will be voting for Sarah Palin 08!

Posted by: Working Mother | September 4, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

FYI - the UN is a place to discuss and get agreement worked out, that isn't ruined by the Russians being able to veto and I can explain why:
Yes, the Russians can veto a decision. But did you stop to consider, the other side in any ordinary negotiation too can "veto" what you propose anyway if they don't want to agree? The whole point is, you have to propose something they are willing to go along with anyway.

Posted by: Neil B | September 4, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

chicat @ 10:34PM

you almost had me in tears until i realized you're just as whiny as the rest of the haters in here.

Did you say more....waaaaaaahhhhht was that?

Was that childish enough for you? would you rather adopt me instead of having one?

Almost had me crying....almost...

Posted by: teary | September 4, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

All Republicans get a giant handicap...

Remember Bush's debates ?... all he had to do is grunt to exceed expectations.

Posted by: PulSamsara | September 4, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I heard some excerpts. What I heard was delivered better than Condoleeza Rice's uncertain quaver but nothing to write home about. Sounded like any basic Reagan-era punch-line speech and I bet nobody who heard it can recite more than a line or two from memory. Lots of nasty talk, lots of hate, lots of scorn and derision and sophomoric put-downs, nothing that would sway anyone not already in that camp.

Posted by: Chris Fox | September 4, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

This article and most of the comments should help solve the energy crisis because it is a huge load of crap that could be turned into methane gas. Palin is a breath of fresh air in an arena filled with attorneys and lifetime political hacks.

Posted by: Big Bones | September 4, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the author is the one that needs the 8th-grade education. (IDIOT!)

Palin moves Independents... um... here's the proof!

Posted by: Ster | September 4, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

I have an opinion differing from Mr. Obama's and Mrs. Palin's and that is if you want to run and be in public office you must welcome the public in. A public officer must be open and truthful with us the public because if they cannot tell us the truth about what happens in their families what else will they not be truthful on? Bush lied about his and his families history and then sold us Iraq. What about Palin? She called her family off limits, but why? It is only a benefit for the politician to disclose the "full and nothing but the truth" story about themselves. The current situation now begs the question what is she hidding? We know that Hilary wouldn't hide anything and is too smart to do anything like that, but what about Palin is made "of the right stuff"? I think not.
Truth and Logic 2008.

Posted by: social theories | September 4, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

This is almost like a bad dream. Can all the democrats just stop and think for a minute. Go back 20 months ago. Did anyone know who Obama was? NO. Was he recognized for anything? NO. Does anyone remember the early questioning about his relations to Tony Rezco? Just google "A Chicagoan's Perspective on Obama, Rezko and Corruption". Read up a bit on the REAL Obama family team. Obama is using a very old selling strategy, like the old snake oil salesman, prey on the old, sick, and poor when they are at their worst. I'll give you this, he is very smart and deceptive. He saw the perfect oportunity to run for the highest office, when the country is at is worst. Why didn't he stay in the senate and gain more experience and build a REAL record of accomplishment? Becuase if he ran at any other time, he would have lost. Hillary should have been the right democratic candidate, but the disillutioned citizens fell for the promises of this crafty salesman. They all came out and were charmed by his speeches. It's a sad day when we can believe that someone with no track record of real accomplishments can get this country back on track. Anyone who votes for Obama is taking a dangerous risk. Would you hire someone to run your business based on speeches rather than a record of accomplishments? It's just insane. But I guesst that's how bad people think things are. This country has been through tough times before, and it has come out stonger. Let's not loose focus on our values and principles that have made this country so great. Don't fall for the hype of Obama and the fake promises. The solutions to our problems are not to raise taxes and redistribute wealth. We have an energy crisis and a housing crisis. All of which has occured while both parties stood by and did nothing. Don't gamble with the future of our country. WAKE UP.

Posted by: WakeMeUp | September 4, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

McCain is now reading from the teleprompter the full litany of all the Republican cliches of the last century, most of which he can probably recall with prompting as he was there when they were invented.

He actually smiled and winked when he finally got to a newish one and read off "And we believe in a culture of life!"

Posted by: Ocean Beach | September 4, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

OK, I see complaints about Obama missing lots of votes. Well, maybe he did, but if we have to pick "lesser of evils" McCain is worse:

Missed Votes by Member

* 63.8%
o [Photo of John McCain] Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)
+ Representing: Arizona
+ Votes: 407 votes missed (63.8%), 231 votes cast

* 48.7%
o [Photo of Tim Johnson] Sen. Tim Johnson (D-SD)
+ Representing: South Dakota
+ Votes: 311 votes missed (48.7%), 327 votes cast
+ Note: Sen. Johnson suffered a brain hemorrhage on Dec. 13, 2006, and spent several months recovering. He has since returned to the Senate.

* 45.5%
o [Photo of Barack Obama] Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL)
+ Representing: Illinois
+ Votes: 290 votes missed (45.5%), 348 votes cast

* 32.3%
o [Photo of Hillary Clinton] Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
+ Representing: New York
+ Votes: 206 votes missed (32.3%), 432 votes cast

Posted by: Neil B | September 4, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

The same people who bought "Mission Accomplished," weapons of mass destruction, and that drilling in the Antartic and offshore will solve the energy crisis will probably buy McCain's and Palin's rhetoric. McCain and Palin are in the same league as George W. Bush and Rush Limbaugh - they ignore the truth and play on the emotions of their audiences. They are puppets of the energy industries without character or moral integrity.
The Republican rhetoric is can they possibly make the insinuation that the economy is healthy or that they will stand up to the oil industry? That is absolutely outrageous...McCain is advocating for tax breaks for the oil industry and Palin's husband has had a lifetime career with the oil industry.

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of people some of time, but you can't fool all of the people all of time." (Abraham Lincoln)

Posted by: Sophie | September 4, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Keep denying it, lefties. Obama's lead is gone and the speech tonight will bring McCain ahead. Obama was soooo confident, he wanted to go first. idiot.

Here's proof (live) that Palin is drawing independents.

Read it and weep:

Maybe the author is the one that needs the 8th-grade education. (IDIOT!)

Palin moves Independents... um... here's the proof!

Posted by: Ster | September 4, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Working mom: if you vote Palin, you will be voting for the following:

(1) No possibility of abortion, not even for cases of rape and incest.

(2) No meaningful sex ed for our children (the irony is just too great)

(3) Teaching creationism in school rather than science

(4) Not believing in global warming and not doing anything to combat it

(5) Higher taxes on working class so that the ultra-rich (300K$ and up) can get big tax breaks that they don't need.

(6) Deregulation of banks so they can make tons of money for a while, then collapse and leave real people without homes

Is this really what us working moms want? I don't really think so. I like Palin. I think she is a smart successful woman and is a model for us all. But I don't like what she would try to do with our government.

Posted by: Another Working Mom | September 4, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Just sent in my first contribution to the Obama campaign - and it feels so goooood! The speech by Palin put me over the top last night. Typical hate and fear mongering by the repubs. Just read an article (The Kennebunkport Press no less) that says donations from the military for Obama outnumbers McCains 6 to 1. As a matter of fact, contributions for Ron Paul outnumbers McCain 4 to 1. What does that tell you about our servicemen and servicewomen's feeling about McCain?

Posted by: Jerzygrl | September 4, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Keep trashing Palin... PLEASE?!?!? Keep it up, elitists!

Here's proof she's drawing independents. Oooohh... SCARY! Real peaople are actually attractted to real people and not Harvard educated elitist autobiography writing pompous asses? Who woulda thunk it?

Wish you had Hillary as VP now? I thought so!

Maybe the author is the one that needs the 8th-grade education. (IDIOT!)

Palin moves Independents... um... here's the proof!

Posted by: Me123 | September 4, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse


It was stated: "that says donations from the military for Obama outnumbers McCains 6 to 1. "

It did... for the NIGHT OF HIS SPEECH!
That's IT!

Otherwise, it's been McCain every other single day for the past year.

yeah, keep making up crap.

Posted by: Ster | September 4, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Yo... Jerzygrl

Do I have to call you a liar? I mean, it's obvious.

yes, Obama pulled in more donations from the military than McCain, but ONLY in the 12 hour period after his speech (of course!). 6-to-1... that's made up.

And Ron Paul? He's gotten less than 1% of all military contributions. So, I call BS on that.

Keeeeeep lying! We KNOW you HAVE TO!

Posted by: Ster | September 4, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

1. Palin was able to read the speech fairly well.

2. The speech was a listing of tired platitudes, strung together by someone else, and punctuated by someone else's snarky jokes.

3. Palin's inflection and timing were less than authentic.

4. Her eyes were blank and her expression stiff.

This is a very serious election at a very complex time in the history of the world. Palin does not demonstrate the intelligence, mental flexibility and gravitas to lead the country. It was a simple speech, read by a simple person. Although some believe that platitudes and strength of conviction will suffice in a president, the last 8 years have thoroughly proved the fallacy of that theory. We have been down this road before. I will not go there again.

Posted by: Texan | September 4, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Typical gop fantasy. And right now I'm listening to McCain deliver his paean to how patriotic he is, after listening to Cindy tell us how great he is, and how sympathetic to those in need. Do these people live in an alternate universe, that they actually applaud this drivel? It was asked during his biopic if he wasn't saved for a purpose when he escaped from the Forrestal fire. I guess God didn't need the dozens who died.

Posted by: carolanne2 | September 4, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Palin puts off Independents?


LOL! Nope.... She DRAWS them!

Check out this poll:

Posted by: DYnaMO | September 4, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Dionne: "On a related note, I like Mike Kinsley’s point: It’s odd for candidates to say that their families are off-limits except when they are not."

Kinsley is right on. As a matter of fact, John McCain himself is on record noting the inappropriateness of using kids as part of political campaigning.

From a Dec. 27, 2007 IHT article:

Asked during an interview this fall about his reluctance to bring attention to his expansive brood, the normally loquacious John McCain, who is unabashed on any number of topics, seemed uncomfortable.

"It's intentional," he said. "I just feel it's inappropriate for us to mention our children. I don't want people to feel that, it's just, I'd like them to have their own lives. I wouldn't want to seem like I'm trying to gain some kind of advantage. I just feel that it's a private thing."


Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

I am neither Republican nor Democrat. I did not vote in the last 2 campaigns. I believe I forfeited my right to have an opinion on the current administration because of this. I did not vote because not one candidate inspired me. I did not vote because I honestly believed no matter who I voted for it would be a downward spiral for my country, therefore my vote would not have counted either way.
As a middle class blue collar American woman working 50+ hours a week to put her husband through college while raising a seven year old, I need to be inspired. I watched both conventions, Sarah Palin was the only politician who inspired me. I thought her sarcasm was tactful in spite of what I witnessed between Obama and Hillary. I felt that she was humanized as a politician and not put on a pedal stool. Yes, her daughter is unwed and pregnant. That does not make her a bad parent. That makes her human. We as Americans hold our politicians as "idols" and have unrealistic expectations of them. I personally feel that Obama has idolized himself with Hollywood fully supporting this. Not to be rude, but I read in a statement that McCain likes "rich people", let me ask what is the base salary pay of a celebrity? More money than I'll ever see in my lifetime. I am an American and damn proud of it. Sarah got my vote last night and I was undecided prior to watching her speech. One final note, as a proud American, I noticed several people who posted did not capitalize America. That to me is offensive and shows disrespect for our country. How can you judge and criticize Sarah Palin or anyone when you can not even show your country respect by simply capitalizing. Even 8th graders capitalize America. People may look down on me because I'm blue collar, what everyone needs to remember is my blue collar votes count too.

Posted by: Rhonda | September 4, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

WOW EJ great call. Palin giving a speech written by someone else? Well, unlike YOUR VP candidate, at least she had the honesty to admit it and not claim it as her own....

Posted by: Predestined | September 4, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama lost my vote when he spoke at Invesco Field. He was hoping that Colorado Natives would rename him "BroncObama"! Why hold a lame speech with a bunch of out-of-state supporters on such sacred ground. How dare he! Go Ralph Nader!

Posted by: Aaron | September 4, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

I thought she did a fabulous job. I must admit I wasn't expecting much, but it was the first time I felt like I could relate to a candidate for national office. I'm appalled at the double standards raised for female candidates (Hillary included). I'm not going to vote for a candidate just because of their race, color or religion, but I hope no one will not vote for someone for the same reasons.

Posted by: Katie in VA | September 4, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Carolanne... or whatever just said:

"And right now I'm listening to McCain deliver his paean to how patriotic he is"

So... I guess you think he's not?
What gave it away?
The fact that he can't raise his arms over his shoulders because he was tortured?

Or was it something else?

Was it his autobiographys? Oh... wait... he doesn't have any. Sorry, it was Obama that has TWO.

What gave it away that he doesn't like his country?

No flag pin? Oopps!
No hand over heart during the anthem? Ooops!

Wait... I think it's because he is the only Presidential candidate in this race that ISN'T a MARXIST!

Ding Ding Ding... WE HAVE A WINNER!

Posted by: carolhater | September 4, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Actually you are wrong: donations from military are higher than to mccain --- have been for quite a while

Posted by: Nope | September 4, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

McCain is claiming he "knows how to secure the peace" but all he can do is talk about war.

He's just raised the specter of a new Cold War, rattling sabers at Russia following the lead of Cheney just this day.

Exactly Putin's cup of tea. Once again it seems the world is threatened by the self-serving warmongering of political elites in both the United States and Russia.

Posted by: Ocean Beach | September 4, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

"Dionne: "On a related note, I like Mike Kinsley’s point: It’s odd for candidates to say that their families are off-limits except when they are not."


Except the difference is... Obama's wife is giving speeches and STUMPING for him alone.

Palin's daughter has never uttered a word and she's attacked.

You're a scumbag.

Posted by: Ster | September 4, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

OceanBeach said: McCain is claiming he "knows how to secure the peace" but all he can do is talk about war.

Yeah.. war never solved anything except... stopped the nazis, got rid of slavery, freed 100 million people from communist and fascist rule...

I can see your point... war never did anything... except keep your lazy a** free and with a student loan to go to college.

Sorry... without war, we'd have slavery, be speaking German, 100+ million more Russians would have been killed, etc... etc...

But... war should never be waged!


Pinko. Where are you from? Boulder? San Francisco?

HEY... we invaded a soverign country (GERMANY) in the 1940's. Was that wrong? They didn't attack us!

Posted by: Ster | September 4, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Her world view is about opposite of mine and even I thought she came off as likable - I even chuckled a couple times at the zingers. There are lots of reasons to dislike Palin, but apart from being a little short on substance and setting up the usual "us versus them" mentality (hardly out of the ordinary for political speeches), this speech isn't one of them. It's okay to admit the speech was okay. Let's move on from this distraction and focus on the relevant differences between the candidates and the real issues facing our country.

Posted by: someone | September 4, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

OceanBeach (dummy) said: "He's just raised the specter of a new Cold War"

Ummm... as usual, the USA didn't start this. I notice you didn't mention that Russia invaded the soverign territory of a friendly country. Why defend Russia?

You probably sqwaked about the US going into Iraq, but not a whisper of Czar Putin invading (and still occupying) Georgia -- our ally. Why not? Do you like Communists? Or, do you hate GWBush (who's NOT running for office this time -- WE have term limits) so much that you ignore that?

Go ahead, Commie Pinko. We know you hate the USA... just admit it. But yet, you live here.... and won't move to Russia. Why not? What is your problem? Too much lead in your paint when you were a kid?

Posted by: Ster | September 4, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse


Try taking swipes at something besides the straw men in your own mind.

I neither said nor implied war is never necessary.

Posted by: Ocean Beach | September 4, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse


Obama spent years as a community organizer working with blue collar workers and his mom raised him as a single parent.

Please don't buy into Palin's divisive rhetoric. She isn't exactly like you no matter what she says.

Check out:

And if you're interested in information about the McCain fortune, there's plenty of information out there.

For example:

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

A good speech is on that an 8th grader would stay up to watch and remember all his life.

That speech was Sarah Palin's -- it was the voice of the future speaking to young minds.

Posted by: John Bailo | September 4, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

The fact that someone is an independent, doesn't mean that they are on the fence waiting to be convinced to come down one way or the other. Many times people, myself included, registered independent or unaffiliated to maintain a veneer of independence from a party, even though they have very definite party leanings and are actually Rs or Ds in all but name. Candidates like Obama and McCain are not mere shades of gray apart from one another in position. They are polar opposites. An independent, or unaffiliated voter is going to make his choice based on a presidential candidate's positions, not whether one has chosen a woman as a Veep. The McCain/Palin ticket is so far to the right, that no independent is going to vote for McCain unless they were already inclined to do so before her selection.

Posted by: acf | September 4, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

She'll help him build a bridge to the 20th century.

Posted by: Dan Frei | September 4, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

"Try taking swipes at something besides the straw men in your own mind.

I neither said nor implied war is never necessary."

Umm... read your message. It was implied. And you know it.

"McCain is claiming he "knows how to secure the peace" but all he can do is talk about war.

He's just raised the specter of a new Cold War, rattling sabers at Russia following the lead of Cheney just this day.

Exactly Putin's cup of tea."


NO criticism for Putin, but 100% criticism for McCain.

What else were you saying? Nothing, that's what.

Posted by: Ster | September 4, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Rhonda - don't be fooled by flowery rhetoric (Heh, irony here) - The Republicans will continue to make it harder for you to earn money compared to the top earners, and the gap has grown during the Bush years. But on the other hand, if McCain really is a maverick who wants to turn DC upside down, then would the Republican establishment allow him to take the front spot?

BTW, I voted for John McCain in the 2000 primary because I was attracted to what he says he's going to do, to shake up Washington, like he is saying now. But I think McCain turned on that and surrounded himself with corrupt lobbyists and former Bush campaign officials, Rove students etc. - he isn't worth voting for now.
Finally - for those who think McCain really deserves our votes now, how many of you supported him then? Why did Rush, Ann Coulter, etc, make fun of him and support George W Bush? You should have elected him then, what happened?

Posted by: Neil B | September 4, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Ocean just got BEACH-Slapped...

Posted by: LOL | September 4, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

what's the difference between a republican and a pig. lipstick

Posted by: riveted | September 4, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Leftist, liberals, or should we just come out and call you all socialist? You have all swallowed the pill of lies. Yes, maybe McCain is not the best candidate. But he is NO BUSH. How can some of you consider Obama the lesser of two evils? You don't even know Obama. Now you are all arguing about the qualification of Palin. Get over it the same way you got over Obama's lack of experience. She's a "heartbeat away". You want to make Obama "the heartbeat". McCain may sound corny, but at least we know where his heart is. Would you let a fast talking lawyer/salesman take care of your family? YOU DON"T KNOW OBAMA! That's why it took him almost 20 months of campainging to get you to buy his BS! How stupid are you people?

Posted by: WakeMeUp | September 4, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Anon said: "Obama spent years as a community organizer working with blue collar workers:

Ummmm... NO!

He worked with ACRN ... a left wing (almost marxist) group to increase voter turnout.

The reason nobody ever heard about it from Obama... even this poster... was because ACRN was CONVICTED of voter fraud.

So... basically, for most of Obama's "organizer" career, he worked for a group that hired people to sign up Democrats (no... not everybody) and paid them for each one. So... they found out that hundreds if not thousands of registrations were fake and ACRN was busted for hiding the scam.

Yep... that's a "community organizer" for ya. Election fraud.

Before you call this BS, answer me this... Why... Why... Why... has Obama NEVER talked a single word about what he ACTUALLY did as a "community organizer"???


It's because he doesn't want America to know... Otherwise... why not?

Posted by: Ster | September 4, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse


Are you advocating war with Russia over Georgia?

Or like McCain, are you just rattling sabers for domestic consumption? To intimidate those who disagree with you, to challenge their patriotism, to deny them their very right to speak in an America you think is yours alone?

Posted by: Ocean Beach | September 4, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Ocean didn't just get Beach Slapped, he got manhandled!

How's that bunghole? Stretched a little?


He's right!

Posted by: MannyFelps | September 4, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

riveted -
what kind of pig lipstick do you wear?

Posted by: hmmm | September 4, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Ocean: "Are you advocating war with Russia over Georgia?"

Nope.... (are you that stupid?).

Just mentioning that you have NO PROBLEM with Russia invading a soverign country... and probably have aposter of Putin over your bed, but... but... I bet 1,000% of my bottom dollar that you rail against GW Bush (I hate him too) about Iraq because they were a soverign country.

I'm just pointing out that you have adouble-standard so wide, the Grand Freaking Canyon could fit in it.

Posted by: Ster | September 4, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

bridge to the 20th century? how about bridge to the 12th century. she's a mother proud to send her son off to the crusades. " Iraq is a mission from god".

Posted by: miser | September 4, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by Ster: "I'm just pointing out that you have a double-standard so wide, the Grand Freaking Canyon could fit in it."

LOL! Phweeet!

Thanks, Ster... I laughed so hard I spit beer in my screen. Really. Heh!

Posted by: nanniegate | September 4, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

"Ocean just got BEACH-Slapped..."


Neither particularly funny nor witty, but at least, I am relieved you're not sufficiently hypocritical to number yourself among the born-again politically correct feminists of the Republican Party.

Posted by: Ocean Beach | September 4, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Well, I'm getting as stupid as they are, so good night folks!

Posted by: Ocean Beach | September 4, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Ocean - what was that ?

All i saw you type was....WAAAHHHH WAAHHHH WAAHHHH....

Witty? Check your handle before you claim witty.

Your behind has just been handed to you - now be the wannabe decent person you are and walk away...

just don't cry...

Posted by: LOL | September 4, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

I think Ocean guy has been smoking the peace pipe too long.
He doesn't realize when a communist is trying to take over europe. those same idiots thought hitler was an OK guy and had "diplomatic talks" with him and even signed treaties with him. we all know how that worked.

the marxists brothers in america will also excuse marxists, communist and socialist behavior... until they come for their heads... then they will wonder where all the conservatives and their soldiers went -- those who could save them.. and then realize they already sold them off to their new masters.

hey! if you appease terrorists or communists... they will kill you last, right?

sure, but you still get killed.

Posted by: palmerhand | September 4, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Ocean stated: "born-again politically correct feminists of the Republican Party."

If he/she was a menber of your party, he/she would have been aborted before being born-again, so I guess it's all the same.


Posted by: Ster | September 4, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you Mr. Dionne. I suspected Sen McCain had failed the first big test a presidential candidate makes....his VP choice. This speech confirmed my suspicion.

This reminds me of H.W. Bush selecting Dan Quayle.....

Ms. Palin could at any time become our president...unbelievable!

Posted by: Dennis | September 4, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Are we living in the same America? What is the comparison between some attempting to get elected by 843,524 people and 650000? Senator Biden is one of the longest serving senators and chairs the Foreign Relations Committee. What has Palin done? get elected by Alaskan separatist and be on a local PTA board? A large city mayor has more executive and legislative competence than her. Her claim to have foreign relations experience as being from geographically close to Russia falls flat. Sorry Vladivostok does not make the decisions, Moscow does, and why would Putin want to talk to the governor of Alaska who was nothing to offer? The democratic ticket is the only real option for change, it is not close to perfect, but at least we won't be saying these 12 years need change in 2012. Oh and calling some who is a moron a moron maybe impolite but it is the truth.
No homewreckers and and pro-union 2008.

Posted by: In response | September 4, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

@Heather: Palin had speech writers, not "speech rights." The reason this was relevant is because people want to get to know what Mrs. Palin can do on her own and this doesn't give us a very good sense of that, though I will give her good marks for poise and delivery.

However, as we've been reminded over and over again, giving good speeches isn't a qualification for anything, so we still don't know much about this lady.

That's why I've been reading this:

Everyone is forwarding that to everyone right now, I think. It's an email from someone who knows Palin, having lived in her home town and worked with her since 1992. It's the only good information I can find about what kind of leader Palin is that wasn't written by someone trying to sell you a load of something and I think it offers a perspective both Democrats and Republicans can enjoy.

Posted by: JLA | September 4, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse


Will you cite your source?

US News & World Report had the following to say about Obama's community organization:

"After graduating from Columbia University in 1983 with a major in political science, Obama worked as a financial consultant in New York City. But he was bored—and drawn to public service. In 1985, he moved to Chicago to work with local churches organizing job training and other programs for poor and working-class residents of Altgeld Gardens, a public housing project where 5,300 African-Americans tried to survive amid shuttered steel mills, a nearby landfill, a putrid sewage treatment plant, and a pervasive feeling that the white establishment of Chicago would never give them a fair shake.

Jerry Kellman, a social activist who recruited Obama, recalls, "He was very bright, very articulate, very personable, and very idealistic," inspired by civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr.'s philosophy of nonviolence. Kellman offered Obama a job at the annual salary of $10,000, and he threw in $2,000 so Obama could buy a ramshackle car to get around."

There were almost as many people living in Altfeld Gardens as Wasilla.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

If none of the past 40 million abortions happened, studies have shown that Al Gore would be president.

Can't find the link... but...

Liberals abort more babies and children grow up (usually) mirroring their parents political beliefs. Libs and Conservatives have about the same pregnancy rate.

However, of the 40 million abortions since R vs W, over 30 million of them were by liberals.

Imagine if there were no abortions....

Al Gore would be President and not GW Bush. And McCain wouldn't have a chance.

Get with it you fools! You are aborting yourselves out of existance!

Posted by: bambi | September 4, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

E.J., when you said "8th Grade Standard", I thought you were channeling my wife, a long-time teacher, who said straight-off that Palin's remarks were little more than middle-school bravado and juvenile personal attacks. Most of the Republican convention has the same feel - angry, nasty, evasive, and devoid of substantive issues. I don't trust ANY of the folks I heard, including McCain who, again tonight, took up 40 minutes of time with little more than personal reflections. WHAT A BUNCH OF WHINERS THESE REPUBLICANS HAVE BECOME - LINCOLN IS SPINNING TONIGHT!

Posted by: Fred217 | September 4, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

If I were involved in the operations of this election I would take off the gloves and show Sarah Palin what a pit-bull really is. I would be completely merciless and employ every single nasty political trick in the book because she clearly is going to do the same.

She complains that the media have treated her unfairly because she is a woman. I would have thought that having been through elections before she would certainly understand that when you run for public office you life will be scrutinized. The higher the office the more intense the scrutiny will be.

When you are selected to be vice-president I dare say that the media may take a slightly closer look at everything you've ever said, done, thought, etc from the color of the socks you wear to the brand of toothpaste that you use.

This is especially true when it is discovered that your 17 year old teenage daughter is 5 months pregnant and you are a politician who espouses those wholesome family values such as abstinence and such. Or does that only apply to other people and their families. If it were discovered that Barack Obama fathered an illegitimate child the press would have a field day.

Also if Hilary Clinton had won the nomination I can guarantee you that not only would the other party condone such sexism and targeting they would do far worse. If Sarah Palin thinks she is being unfairly targeted now because Journalist's are merely doing their jobs then she is in for a rude awakening.

Time to take the gloves off and show Palin what it feels like to be attacked by a pit bull.

Posted by: J Anderson | September 4, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse


Just check ACRN's site. It was there, but they probably removed it.

I think it's funny that BO was helong people LOOK for jobs. Why didn't he CREATE any?

Heck, Palin's family (and McCain's wife) created jobs out of thin air! McCain's wife's family business employs several thousand people.. in good paying union jobs.

Obama? He helped people locate jobs. What does that mean? Handed them a paper? Did YOU ever need an "organizer" to look for a job?

Obama wants to tax businesses (who employ people). When you do that.. they MOVE AWAY from the taxes and take their jobs with them.

Perhaps if Obama ever created a job (other than his campaign), I'd give him some credit. But no, he rides McCain for houses... but Cindy's businesses employ (literally) thousands.

What's better? CREATING jobs? or ... finding an unemployment check, blaming the rich (who create the jobs) and helping you look in the classifieds?

Sorry... Cindy's family MADE jobs. Obama? Dunno... he just blames people like Cindy for being rich and puts people on welfare to make them dependent on government -- so they have to vote for him.


Posted by: Ster | September 4, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Demanding family privacy while holding up your Downs Syndrome baby up, Lion King style, to hysterically cheering convention attendees is the height of hypocrisy.

Posted by: somerseten | September 4, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse


I can't trust information that I can't read and even then, you can't always believe what you read.

On the other hand, please do read the whole US News & World piece I linked earlier. It was posted in August 2007, way before Palin brought up Obama's community organization.

I don't think it's fair to critique Obama for helping people look for jobs. That is the only way to help people get off welfare and stop being a drain on tax dollars.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Am I an elitist because I think that people who try to make a powerful point should proofread their entries? You people are making yourselves look as stupid as you really are.


Abraham Lincoln served in the Illinois Legislature for four terms, but at the national level, he served only two years in House of Representatives.


Teddy Roosevelt was the first great environmentalist. Though he was a hunter, his wish was to preserve our natural spaces.


Ronald Reagan was not only a bona-fide celebrity, but he was also the president of a union. Perhaps he was a socialist.

There are a few Republicans that I truly respect and admire. It's a shame they've been dead for so long.

Posted by: weewah | September 4, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

You are an idiot, Dionne.

Posted by: Jim | September 4, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

-not that this even needs to be addressed-
- An undergraduate degree from Columbiaa University in Political science and international relations.
- A graduate school degree Juris Doctor, with honors, from Harvard Law.
-President of the Harvard Law Review.
- 12 years as professor of constitutional law.

- An undergraduate degree in communications with a minor in political science from Ohio University.

Damn, you need a masters for pretty much anything nowadays, i think palin needs to go to grad school.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Seriously---above Politics, above who you intend to vote for for president--- How can ANYBODY think that Palin has any right being a party of this presidential race?

It's baffling.

Sens. Mccain, Biden and Obama spend their time at their jobs voting on domestic and international issues that affect billions of people world wide.

Gov. Palin didn't even sign up for a passport until last week, when she was selected as the VP.

How can we expect her to have a full understanding of the complex issues that face America in the coming century?

I'm sure she's a very smart person, but nothing in any of the jobs that she has ever done could have possibly prepared her to be president?

She was said to have received a "crash course" in foreign policy the other day. Is this the person we want to deal with Russia and North Korea?

You can't leave it to chance that before the end of Mccains term, she could be president.

Considering that she was chosen very obviously for political reasons, how can anybody feel comfortable with a COMPLETE unknown at the helm?

Posted by: Sam | September 4, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

This just in - it was just a speech. Right, just like all the other speeches you people are gushing over. Actions count, and we all know which ticket actually DOES things ... McCain and Palin.

People like you keep calling yourself "progressive" but you don't want progress, you want to stop it.

Posted by: Crewell | September 4, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:46 PM,

Actually Sarah Palin graduated from the University of Idaho.

"The University of Idaho was her longest stop as she worked toward a college degree. She started at Hawaii Pacific College in 1982, said Bird, and transferred to North Idaho College for the 1983-84 school year. She transferred again to the University of Idaho in fall of 1984, and spent her final semester working as an intern for the NBC affiliate KTUU in Anchorage.

In an interview with the University of Idaho alumni magazine, "Here We Have Idaho," published earlier this year, Palin said she decided to pursue a journalism degree because it combined her curiosity with her love of writing. She didn't enter politics until she ran for city council in Wasilla, Alaska."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

I think she is great, a lot better than Obama. For those Obama supporters, please face the fact, which is Sarah Palin is much much better than him... don't be jealous

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Posted by: Burt | September 4, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately the Rovian camp as created this meme... She's a regular "Saint Sarah" who needs to be protected from the nasty elites even though she's a pit bull with lipstick. Now she can refuse to go on any news show and she won't be called on it...'cause everyone know's she'll just be "unfairly attacked" (meaning asked specific questions).

From now until the election she will be as hidden away as much as possible and the one debate she goes to will "miraculously" give her softball questions and not follow up on any lies she may tell.

Posted by: Ramius | September 4, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

More of the same ... yada yada yada ... Democrats are evil etc. etc. To embrace the average American spirit the Republicans like to wear as badges of honor, using the average American vernacular to describe what I heard: They both suck. If Palin or McCain get anywhere near the Oval Office, I am moving to Canada. And, unlike Palin, I won't pretend to know anything about that particular country simply based on its proximity to the United States. Like Palin, I will discover Canada in a similiar fashion to the way she will discover foreign policy ... only after using a passport.

Posted by: Kimberly | September 4, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

hey bambi - actually, people who vote for people who hurt them economically, culturally, physically (war starters), are the ones aborting themselves at every age.

Posted by: juicebird | September 4, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

The idea of foreign relations is over-rated, that is why we have the state department.

For the last 50 years, there has been too much emphasis on foreign relations. We need more focus on domestic relations. That is what Palin and McCain are bringing to the playing field. Obama is going to personally engage those in other countries and try to talk things out. Again, that is what we have the Department of State for.

McCain is going to congress and throw people out. That is why I'm voting for McCain.

Posted by: Rexrino | September 4, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

With a Bachelor's degree, a Master's degree, California State Preliminary Teaching Certificate, and additional graduate work, I'm still not "highly qualified" enough to be a permanent teacher. I need to spend another $10,000 for school be considered "highly qualified."

I'm not qualified to teach Palin's Down's baby, but she's qualified enough to run the country? Thank you NCLB!

Posted by: weewah | September 4, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

McCain is no fool. He is *using* Palin to highlight his opponent's position. Both Obama and Palin have had meteoric political careers (and lack of experience).

As for all the speeches, I suggest that everyone read the transcript. The removes them from the cult of personality that dominates American politics (both parties guilty).

This country has serious issues at hand and ahead. We need to carefully consider who has the capacity and vision to lead us through the troubled times ahead.

Always beware of tactics that are devised to divert your attention and obscure the real issues. We all need to face up to the changes in the world economy that our current leadership if fully aware of. However their tactics are to divert our attention to other issues, while they invest their personal fortunes and interests. Our politicians today are sand bagging - and preparing for tough times ahead. But only for themselves, not the nation. We need to wake up!

Posted by: calc | September 5, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Rexrino: Is the idea of defense overrated and that's why we have the Department of Defense?

By the way Thomas Jefferson was the first Secretary of State.

Should the president attend state funerals while the entire government is on autopilot?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse


actually over the last several months, Obama has been quite detailed about his economic plan once he's in office. I guess you're not listening. Actually the better question is...does anyone know what McCain's actual plans are for the economy, education, and Iraq (other than leave them there)?

Posted by: cathy | September 5, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Heather wrote, "The left has to do anything possible to belittle this woman! Now if she were a Democrat they would not say any of these things!"

Heather, if Sarah Palin was a Democrat she would not be the Sarah Palin we have met this week.

If Ms. Palin were a Democrat, she would probably not be a pro-life, gun-toting, Christian fundamentalist who advocates Creationism in public school curriculums and enjoys killing and skinning a moose.

Democrats aren't made that way. None I have ever known were, at least.

No, Sarah Palin would have to be a Republican. No other mantle suits her as well.

Posted by: D. Grant Haynes | September 5, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse


You epitomize in one single individual what is wrong about the Washington elite. A east coast, prep school understanding of america (99% percent incorrect) and a ridiculous level of hypocrisy in your comparisons. What connections did you use to get in Harvard anyway? Was your Dad a friend of the dean?

Posted by: Jim | September 5, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Thinking people dislike Sarah Palin intensely because she is George W. Bush in a skirt. The American people bought into GWB in 2004 even with things as bad as they were. Thinking people are VERY AFRAID that Americans with 8th grade (or below) thinking skills will vote for McCain/Palin because they LIKE the image of a VEEP who is a pitbull with lipstick. Doesn't matter if you are a Democrat or a Republic, it depends on your higher level thinking skills. Some rich people with higher level thinking skills will vote for McCain for their own economic benefit. The rest will be voting for George B. Bush in a skirt and lipstick.

Posted by: Annie | September 5, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

I'm not supporting McCain but your comments are moronic. Why would anyone expect a popular woman governor with a great archetypal story to be a "blithering fool?" What kind of people are these? The totally arrogant, cynical out of touch? I am not happy either that Rush Limbaugh's candidate is doing so well, but wow, you are way out there with your misguided arrogance. Yuk. I am looking forward to an intelligent and luminous Obama Biden administration but it's not looking like a slam dunk this week.

Posted by: Gaias Child | September 5, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

For months I've said that the Media will not let Senator Obama win.
And the last several days, kind of proves it to me once again.
Firstly, McCain has not received any scrutiny. The Media just regurgitates, endlessly, that McCain is a Maverick, Hero, GOP-Defying, Straight-Shooting Foreign Policy Wizard. Of course, there's no truth any longer, to the McCain Myth (he's flipped on everything), but the Media ignores it.
Secondly, the Media was seemingly surprised by the Palin choice. Well, then I must be a genius (I'm not). Back in June, when the GOP kept talking about disaffected Hillary voters, I knew they'd pick a woman. Then, when I saw a picture of Palin with a rifle, I knew she'd be the pick.
Yet, the surprised Media *experts* said... it was a *Maverick* choice (promoting the McCain Brand). Now we learn that he wanted Lieberman, but was overruled (by whom??).

After which, for the first time, the Media did some scrutinizing of McCain's Judgment, and Palin.
Then, the GOP started attacking the Media's alleged bias - - Game, Set, Match - McCain.
The GOP knows the Media will roll over like a little doggie, if they attack them. And like good little dogs, the Media has.
In fact, it's startling that during the Dem convention, there were GOP commentators on set, but so far, at the GOP convention, there haven't been Dem commentators (CBS & ABC).
Hence, I had no doubt that if Palin showed up for her speech, they'd go ga-ga over her. And they have.
There's no mention from the Media, that Palin is being shielded by the McCain Campaign. They've just snapped into line, how great Palin is... and tonight after McCain's speech, everything is *The Maverick is back (again).
And if Palin shows up for her debate, she'll win again, just for showing up.
Even though, by then, she still will not have been interviewed, by anyone other than Hannity, and other right-wing types.

So, get used to it People, the fix is in... between the Media being a good little poodle, and the electorate's desire to be treated like dimwits (they'll vote against their interests again), McCain is going to be our next President. And the US will move even closer to 3rd-World status.

Posted by: baz | September 5, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Ha ha George Bush in a skirt!!! That's a good one. But I think it's more like Charleton Heston in a skirt.

Posted by: Gaias Other Child | September 5, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Thinking people dislike Sarah Palin intensely because she is George W. Bush in a skirt. The American people bought into GWB in 2004 even with things as bad as they were. Thinking people are VERY AFRAID that Americans with 8th grade (or below) thinking skills will vote for McCain/Palin because they LIKE the image of a VEEP who is a pitbull with lipstick. Doesn't matter if you are a Democrat or a Republic, it depends on your higher level thinking skills. Some rich people with higher level thinking skills will vote for McCain for their own economic benefit. The rest will be voting for George W. Bush in a skirt and lipstick.

Posted by: Annie | September 5, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Priscilla--What planet are you on? Apples to apples, How is Palin better than Obama?

Let's take education:

Palin -- BA, we think from Idaho University. Oh,that's right she transferred from about 5 other schools within a 6 year period before finally getting a journalism degree from Idaho University after going there for about 3 semesters.

Obama--BA, Columbia University
JD, Harvard Law School

How about the ability to lead?

Palin--Mayor of 5,000
Obama--Senator of 200,000

Yes, I know she's a governor now. But when she became a mayor, Obama became a senator.

Palin--4 years ago, no one but Alaskans knew her.

Obama--4 years ago, keynote speaker on a national platform, America and the world knew him.

Palin--Family Values? Questionable
Obama--Family values--His wife and daughters are picture perfect.

Palin--Worldly? She just recently got her passport.
Obama--Worldly--He's lived across the ocean and has traveled extensively.

I don't think I need to go on any further.

Posted by: AnAwareCitizen | September 5, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

The Electoral votes are all that count. City folk and pundits are out of the mix on this election. The city dweller have already voted the democratic ticket. Palin appeals to mainstream. Pundits are frosted becasue their influnce is diminished. She did a great job of reeling them in.

Posted by: Carla | September 5, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

The McCains were ready to dump her after the first baby explosion...but are keeping her long enough to rake in the money from the god squad. No refunds, sorry folks. She'll be on her way back to Alaska in short order...Biden better practice debating Romney because that's who it's going to be by then.

Posted by: Dema | September 5, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

What a woman, so symbolic of the GOP female ideal: she has to get a MAN to write a speech for her.

Sad, and even more sad that the GOP was able to dupe so many republicans into thinking she was mouthing her own thoughts.

Posted by: jz | September 5, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Hey An Aware Citizen

You forgot a product of the corrupt daley chicago democratic machine and an associate of a known terrorist but you probably think that's merit in your warped world. By the way, most of our corporate felons went to Ivy league schools but I need go any further either!!!

Posted by: Ted | September 5, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

neocons are deluded wrote:
"There's no hope for America as long as ignoramuses like Heather are allowed to vote."
And that's the change you are promising? Very American of you. Harks back to the poll tax you probably decried.

Posted by: Red White Blue | September 5, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

all I know is that Mc Cain promised to end earmarks with veto's.

He promised to name names and end corruption.

This is the most excited I've ever been about an election

BAD NEWS D.C....Tell the "Palm" to file Chapter 7, we're coming to get you.

Posted by: rtfanning | September 5, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

why should she like the pundits? who cares if she wrote her speech? does obama? does obama have a foreign policy background? he is at the top of the ticket. How can you judge Palin by a standard that Obama can't stand up to, then support Obama?

Posted by: whoareyou? | September 5, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

While all of you right wing lunatics are on here saying that Obama has done nothing, what about the 10 YEARS that he taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago... I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere on here....remember the CONSTITUTION???... THE THING THAT HAS BEEN totally dismantled BY THE CURRENT OCCUPANT OF THE WH TO SUIT HIS OWN AGENDA???? AND WHITE IS ALRIGHT, OR WHATEVER THAT WAS YOU CALLED YOUR SAD SELF, IT WOULD BE SO FUNNY IF WHEN YOU DIE YOU DISCOVER ON JUDGMENT DAY THAT JESUS IS BLACK!!!!!...THEN, SINCE YOU'RE SO RACIST, YOU COULD HAPPILY LIVE IN HELL FOREVER!!!!

Posted by: Iowa | September 5, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Don't dismiss the fact that Sarah Palin is Commander of the Alaska National Guard-- consider this.

Alaska�is the first line of defense in our missile interceptor defense system. The 49th Missile Defense Battalion of the Alaska National Guard is the unit that protects the entire nation from ballistic missile attacks. It's on permanent active duty, unlike other Guard units.

As governor of Alaska , Palin is briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counterterrorism. Her exposure to classified material may rival even Biden's and certainly by far exceeds Obama's.

She's also the commander in chief of the Alaska State Defense Force (ASDF), a federally recognized militia incorporated into Homeland Security's counterterrorism plans.

Palin is privy to military and intelligence secrets that are vital to the entire country's defense.Given Alaska 's proximity to Russia , she may have security clearances we don't even know about.

According to the Washington Post, she first met with McCain in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a woman used to keeping secrets.

She can be entrusted with our national security, because she already is.

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Posted by: Tim | September 5, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Some described Pailin as "McCain's Cheney"

After her childish partisan rant, I think a more accurate way to describe her is "John's Dick"

Posted by: Paul | September 5, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a political Zwinky. Just tell her what to believe and she'll swear with her hand on a stack of Bibles that she believes it.



Posted by: Marc Schlee | September 5, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

What cracks me up the most is when Palin said that John McCain is gonna go around Washington and do an efficiency check on all the departments and then post their results ON THE INTERNET!!! That's a pretty steep learning curve for a 72 year old man!!!

Posted by: Annie | September 5, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

sarah palin is a breath of fresh air in the fetid atmosphere created by the fake messiah, barry obama. with his bizarre alliances and strange friends of america, barry should be grateful sarah was kind enough to just lightly point out some of his ridiculous egocentricities.

Posted by: Judy, NYC | September 5, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

I wonder how many of the writers here work for McCain or Obama? The bottom line is that neither candidate answered the question: what are you going to do for me? For my family? For my country?

Change? Change what and HOW? A detailed plan on how. McCain was right about one thing, that our political system is corrupt and until we fix that, we will continue to maintain a corrupt form of government. If we want change, then vote for the challenger, the new face. There is only one in this presidential election, although I will venture to guess she has been corrupted by our political machine.But there a few others throughout our other governmental institutions. Read your Constitution and put the power back in the people's hands--the Legislative Branch, not the Executive Branch.

It is late and like most Americans, I need to get up tomorrow, go to work and solve my problems. Perhaps there is a lesson there. Have a nice day.

Posted by: dan | September 5, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Ted, I can truly tell that you have no more than an eighth grade education. Join the military. Maybe you can get a G.I. Bill to help finance a brain for you. And yes, I'm educated and I'm a veteran. As for the so-called corrupt people that you mentioned, practically all of Washington is corrupt. So don't knock the Ivies if your SAT score was 200.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Typical female bashing just like Hillary. If Governor Palin was a male people would be treating her differently and with more respect. How many governors really have foreign policy experience, none. I never hear anyone saying Biden is from a small tiny state Delaware home of the credit card companies that he helped author bankruptcy reform against its card holders. Palin is getting s*****d by the media and Obama Democrats just like Hillary. Hillary had more experience than Obama but he tossed her aside like many strong females. Anyone with doubts about Palin who is the most popular governor in America should watch her interview with Maria Bartiromo on CNBC. Dionne is typical of the anti female media. The fact is Palin has more experience than Obama but the media hides that fact.

Dionne's article is just his personal opinion not real unbiased journalism.

Posted by: abel | September 5, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

sarah palin or mccain speech did nothing for me. they have had four nights of wasting tax payers and contributor's money. they are both out of touch with reality and the issues of this country. i can appreciate mcccain for serving for our country just as i appreciate every military employee for helping us continue to be a free and safe country. but under no circumstance does that qualify mccain to be president. they simply have no agenda and since he has voted 95% of the time with bush that means the country will go in the direction it's already in. jobs flying across the waters, no jobs for americans,high price gasoline,housing slump,poor health and dental insurance, high crime,lies sex scandals,thieves in the white house,hugh tax breaks for the rich and big businesses,and the list could go on and on. he will never get my vote.

Posted by: JJ | September 5, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

Neither Palin's family nor her world look anything like the America most Americans know. First, it is quite unusual for children from privileged backgrounds (assuming we can call State Governor's privileged) like Bristol Palin to get pregnant and marry at the age of 17. Secondly, for a Governor's husband to be a member of a seccessionist party until 5 years ago, is similarly rare. And finally, before Sarah Palin, I had never before heard of anyone who called the invasion of Iraq by the United States, an "act of God."

Posted by: Paul | September 5, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm a H. Clinton supporter and will vote for McCain/Palin. I see in Palin what I see in Obama...a smooth talking speaker. I don't think either will do what they say they want to get done, not because they don't want to, because it's too extreme. The Rep and Dems that scream about extremes will never get anything done. I don't want to hear Obama is going to save the world because he isn't. The more he says the less I respect him. I would rather him tell us what he thinks he can get done and how he plans to do it. And all you Obama fanatics are going to tell me he is going to do it but you're wrong. And I know that for a fact. Obama has made this election about the Reps vs the Dems and he trying to further divide an already divided nation. He is not making this about issues...he is making it about party. He may be trying to get as many votes as he can from the Clinton Dems but in doing so he is seperating from Reps in a way that will further divide a nation. The President is important but it is only one part of government action. No one man can do it all and Obama has chosen to not worry about getting important things passed...he's just worrying about getting in. McCain is a guy that I think will get things done. He too is just worried about getting in but his method is one that will work for him and for us if he is elected. Esp. for democratic things...why? McCain will have more republican support than Obama would AND the Dems will all support democratic legislation. McCain has both parties when it comes to "democratic" changes. Obama has chosen to enrage and seperate from an entire party to get elected. I like Palin because I feel she is real. But she is not the reason I will vote. I vote for the man that can get things done and they really do need to change...and not just any change the change should be for the better. Also, Obama's people must know this already but the "econ. plan" they are talking about is going to hurt the econ. I don't think they will do what they are saying, just sounds good now, but if they ever did it...boy would it be terrible. It is difficult to explain in a few words but anyone that wants to know why can learn about the FDR plan and how it (despite the perception of saving everyone) actually caused the longest and worst depression of our history.

Posted by: Jason | September 5, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

Thank goodness for a woman who understands public education and the fact that most of us can't afford to send our children to the "Ivy League".
Small town America might finally get some representation. Most of us live there anyway. It's too bad the elite rich run the place...
Democrats should be scared of this lady. She represents most people in this country.

Posted by: Jeff | September 4, 2008 8:57 PM

I am sorry Jeff. That's scary that there are people that actually think that way. That's its okay to tear down a person's character and integrity... Are individual's minds are so narrow that they can't actually understand that although every one is not like them yet,evey one has a similar thread--being an American.

Also, Small town folks actually have to opportunity to be "Ivy League"--that's what makes living in America great. As a product of a working-class household in a southern city,the "inner-city" I can tell you from experience,its possible to go ivy league--don't sell small towns short,many have risen from your ranks with out sprewing and inflicting sarcasm and hate. It washes the importance of America and the "American Dream"

Posted by: justthoughts | September 5, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

Man, I notice an alarming correlation between support for Sarah Palin and awful grammar.

Posted by: Section 303 | September 5, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

OMG....You guys are so funny! What is it with men not being able to stand a woman in a position of power?
That Lady was PISSED OFF last night and I don't blame her! She has been bashed in the media and liberal blogs like this from day one. You guys thought she would be a shrinking violet and melt away at you hatred and viciousness. Boy were you wrong. She marched herself out on that stage with her head held high and told everyone of you where to stick it.
Yes she went after Obama, that's the Veep's job. Sorry if you didn't like it because she is darn good at it and you will hear plenty more.
Go Sarah Go

Posted by: RED | September 5, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

I think I might have to take the blame for a good chunk of those grammar mistakes "section 303"...but then again it is 1:40am and who really cares anyway.

For the record...have a J.D. from a top law school and I am an if you are trying to imply we are stupid I would have to disagree...but as I said...who cares?

Posted by: Jason | September 5, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

EJ, just keep up the condescending remarks about Sarah Palin's speech. The more you damn her with faint praise, the more you put her down with sexist remarks, the more women will vote for Sarah who previously would not have. Like myself. She went from being on the PTA to being a governor running a budget in several billions of dollars, with an 80 percent approval rating. She gave a speech under unimaginably stressful circumstances. And, frankly, she's infinitely more impressive than any of the armchair quarterbacks and journalists threatened by her independent streak. Jyst keep it up, boys.

Posted by: Denise Lamb | September 5, 2008 1:44 AM | Report abuse

If she couldn't stand up reasonbly well in a room packed full of people wanting her to succeed, she would have been an unmitigated failure. This is a little like going to the elementary school to watch your kids perform. Of course they look great? But Charles Krauthammer nailed it when he pointed out the McCain camp problem; her very presence on the ticket undermines McCain's message. And she has yet to be vetted by the press, or anyone for that matter. Each day, more comes out about her past, and it's pretty inconsistent and spotty. When that plays to a neutral crowd, there will be far more questions than she would ever face in the Republican Convention. Troopers, kids, library books, intimidation, lobbyists, bridges, debt, and today, 6 colleges in 6 years. This was an enormous gamble, and it shows McCain's a big risk taker. That will come back to bite him, and hopefully before he can be elected President, where the inevitable miscalculation could be fatal.

Posted by: Jill | September 5, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

"A small town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities."

But Obama was a community organizer twenty years ago and Palin was a small town mayor (who created a new administrative post under her to do most of the work) twenty months ago.

Since Obama was a community organizer he's gone to Harvard, got a law degree, written two best-selling books, worked as a civil rights lawyer, taught constitutional law for a decade, and been a state senator and US senator for nearly 12 years. And got married and had two kids, not 85. And run for President and beat the Clinton machine.

During which time Ms Palin was flirting with the Alaska Independence Party. Hawaii has a much stronger claim to independence than Alaska. Imagine the fuss if Obama had been involved with the Hawaiian separatists. Imagine the fuss if his daughter had a bun in the oven.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

instead of talking about something meaningless like 'lattes' and 'ivory towers', is there a mccain supporter willing to tell me why their candidate's policy is better than obama's?

i mean actual policy, not talking about 'big government', 'high taxes', 'wealth redistribution' or 'marxism'. talking about the candidates and the pros and cons of their respective, actual policies.

in my opinion there are too many code words here for 'i couldn't be bothered addressing the issues so i got stuck into the kool-aid'.

Posted by: fiberloftic | September 5, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

I think Dionne got it right. If you are an ultraconservative who thinks government is bad (even though you want your party to continue to run it) you thought she was wonderful. If you think a product of a mixed race, broken marriage, whose mother had to rely on food stamps at times, but who overcame that background to get into Columbia and later into Harvard Law School and excel is an elitist, then you probably think Palin's story - whichever version she is telling - is inspirational
In two weeks we will forget the furor about her and move into the reality that it is John McCain - whose military record is really not quite what we have heard at the convention, but in his book he admitted to shame that he provided information to his captors for better treatment. This is not a knock on him - I would likely have done the same. But then I don't go around telling people how heroic I was. Certainly was a hero to Charles Keating in my state of Arizona, where we have had to impeach more than one Republican governor, and a sitting member of the House is now under a big cloud has decided not to run again. Did McCain speak out about these folks? Just guess.

Posted by: Frank | September 5, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

TheManKeepingYouDown, who says he still doesn't know what Obama's for: pay attention. Go to his web site. Replay his speeches. He's quite specific and detailed. The pundits agree on that. It's nothing but a right-wing talking point that he's fluffy. Your personal impression that he's intelligent and serious is correct. He's also a man of principle and conscience and compassion. We haven't seen his like in way too long.

This I believe.

Posted by: Martimr1 | September 5, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse


I am cheered by reading the blogs on this Web site.

I am an independent who voted for McCain in February, but have become wary of him because he continued to drift rightward after he won his nomination. His nomination of Palin showed he places politics above country, but I tried to be open-minded.

Then, I watched her speech. I was ASTONISHED!!! I felt like I was listening to an eighth-grade student call her Student Council opponent a bunch of nasty names. In addition, she said almost nothing about policy.

I gave the speech an F.

Then, I went to some newspaper Web sites expecting to read cogent analysis that included insights about how her partisan screeching probably turned off independents. Instead, virtually every journalist praised her.

I've concluded today's Beltway journalists are a bunch of shallow idiots. They analyze STYLE OVER SUBSTANCE.

But then I read the blogs replying to EJ Dionne's column, and I was cheered, realizing that maybe I'm not really living in a parallel universe.


Posted by: ZWrite | September 5, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

We are the country that elected this intellectual gnat of a guy who is not even qualified to be a janitor in the white house as our president. The bar is set so low for Republicans in terms of performance, intellect and civility, you gotta be practically dead to not clear it. Press for its part never stops singing hymns every time some Republican gets on stage and proves that he can read some sentences off the teleprompter. It is pretty naive that you are wondering why some of your colleagues are wowed by the mediocrity on display. It is not the first time and it won't be the last.

Posted by: newamerican | September 5, 2008 2:16 AM | Report abuse

Palin was effective in doing her pit-bull job, electrifying the Republican right, especially white evangelicals, of which she is a member in good standing. By feeding 'red meat' to the delegates, she has effectively reduced the enthusiasm discrepancy between the two campaigns.

She stirred up 'rancor' aplenty, sneered at Obama's achievements and motives as McCain sat there and cheered her on; then tonight, he says he respects Obama, they are going to 'go at it', but it'll be by the rules of a civil debate, the American people want this toned down, and he's going to make sure it is - and the hall hesitates, surely realizing the blatant contradiction, while the camera shows Palin cheering him on!! Is the hypocricy of this not self-evident?

I don't underestimate her star quality at all; I bet she'll be fine in a scrappy town hall meeting, but I think she'll be seriously discredited by press scrutiny of her behaviour as mayor and governor. Obama and Biden are correct: leave her family out of it! But make her answer for her record, and the dishonest way she has presented it, while she tries to dodge testifying in that ethics review back home.

Here are 2 issues I'd like to see Obama and Biden discuss.

1. Compare the demographic composition of the two conventions: which one is more representative of the broad cross-section of America in the 21st century? Yet this very white audience, less and less representative of the cultural diversity America (worse than prior GOP conventions in reflecting minorities), believes that they are the true American patriots and the other party is somehow disloyal, pacifist, appeasers of our enemies, too 'worldly', overly concerned with the rights of terrorists, etc. etc. Surely, anyone who is concerned about unifying the country, raising the level of political discourse and ending the culture wars must be concerned with the way this almost-all-white party continues to stoke it. Obama's 'elitism' is code for being uppity.

2. Obama and Biden should talk about the massive govt debt, held by Chinese banks, and its sharp buildup under Bush after Clinton ran modest surpluses for much of his 8 years. This is as much a "dependency crisis" as being dependent on foreign oil, yet I don't hear much talk about it. Republicans accuse Democrats of being fiscally irresponsible and raising taxes! Hey folks, the mounting debt is a tax on your children! The Democrats have got to make that point. Republicans have the gall to say: "how are you going to pay for your Health Care program?" when Bush never even tried to pay for his war; he funded it by printing Treasury bonds which the Chinese government, via its banks, now mostly hold. McCain, with more tax cuts for the rich, will continue to run up the debt and run down the viability of a sovereign American economy. This is not his intention, but it will be the effect of his tax-cutting fiscal irresponsbility.

Posted by: A Canadian friend | September 5, 2008 2:17 AM | Report abuse

John McCain says he is a maverick and wants to reach accross the isle, but then he picks a right wing extremist for his VP, who wants to impose her religious beliefs on us and erode even further the separation of church and state. She is the candidate of Limbaugh, Kristol and Rove. Tell me how that is change we can trust. McCain is owned by them no matter what he says. Not just more of the same but even more far right then any of us can imagine. They like to hint that Obama has radical ties, but who is the real radical.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 2:39 AM | Report abuse

Republicans have nothing to run on. Their policies are awful as we have witnessed for eight years.
Republican/evangelical rule will wipe out a major portion of the middle class. By 2012 more people will lose their home, health care and jobs. But the rich will get richer with their tax breaks.
Republicans hate democrats, independents, libertarians, progressives more than they hate the lying, hateful, corrupt, incompetent leaders in their own party. Really is party over country.

Posted by: rmb | September 5, 2008 2:43 AM | Report abuse

As a white guy with a graduate degree from Johns Hopkins, I believe that if Obama were white and his name were Anglo the Republicans wouldn't try to demean his "community service" while ignoring the fact that he was was head of Harvard Law Review. At Starbucks, I told a group of black cops that I thought Palin's speech was racist. They smiled and said, "Well, you know the gloves are off now!" Let's hope the Democrats have enough courage and strength to finally comfront these proto-fascists and reverse the decline of representative democracy in the United States! :=)

Posted by: Alessandro | September 5, 2008 3:08 AM | Report abuse

About Governor Palin--I love the way the Republicans say
Governor Palin as if she has had the title for a whole lifetime--let us remember she has been in that position for a little over ONE YEAR AND ONE HALF!!! (Para) I gather she went to highschool because that is where she met her husband but I haven't been able to find if she has any further education. And if so where did she go for higher eduction. If she did go to college what did she major in? We have already had 8 years of a president who was not famous for reading and look at all the mistakes he has made and the mess this country is in--compared to when the Clinton's left office--our Country was better off and we were better off. God help us and God help this country. Nancy B--Boston, MA

Posted by: Nancy B--Boston, MA | September 5, 2008 3:14 AM | Report abuse

Yo E.J. if there was an expectation for her to be a blabbering idiot it was because you guys in the MSM and the democratic punditry made her to be a Female Dan Quayle. And she gave a great speech even by the vice presidential standards that you adhere to. The problem with you guys on the left is that you hate to give credit where credit is due. And that is why you lose. Because you come across as pity and mean.

Posted by: SMAN | September 5, 2008 3:40 AM | Report abuse

A woman voting for Palin is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.

Posted by: Jama | September 5, 2008 5:07 AM | Report abuse

I thought she was just like a female Dan Quayle.


It was worse. The tone. The non-substance. I would have to go with others who said she sounded as if she was running for student council treasurer. She really didn't impress me one bit and I was completely bowled over by the reaction of the pundits following. Their reaction mirrored those conservative pundits who watched Dan Quayle debate Lloyd Bentson. Quayle was way out of his league (as is Gov. Palin) and the insincerity of the Republicans is nauseating.

Posted by: Mike C | September 5, 2008 5:57 AM | Report abuse

I am a little surprised that so many have forgotten a bit of important history when it comes to Palin. She did beauty pageants, which means she learned to address large crowds with confidence.

Now of course I have been lead to believe that at the end of a contest; all beauty pageant contestants want world peace. Hmmmm my guess is she didn't learn enough from her beauty pageant experience.

Do we really know anything about her? No we don't.

For all that would like me to buy into the notion that she hit it out of the park, your negating one very important fact.

I have a brain, I had hoped to use. It was clear after a few sentences my brain wasn't going to be needed to listen to this speech.

It was insulting and degrading and I think perhaps we need to consider the speech as a distraction from the fact she had nothing to say and perhaps has nothing to offer.

By attacking the press, I am also wondering what it is they are afraid the reporters will find. They laid the ground work of her being attacked as unfair so with that kind of smoke, something is there and since the press has only had a few days to get to know Palin, it is only a matter of time.

Perhaps we will learn more, once her family issues are dealt with and we can learn more about the politician. I am not keen to learn more about her mom issues or her hobbies.

Facts only please, I have a vote to cast.

Posted by: just the facts ma'am | September 5, 2008 6:25 AM | Report abuse

We may well be judging Ms. Palin by an eight grade standard, but what amazes me is that we are not judging her at all on the only true standard for being VP. The only constitutional requirements for VP are swing a gavel, break ties when necessary and should something happen, BECOME PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!!!!

Sarah Palin, no matter how tough she may be, or how quick a study she is, is not ready to be Commander in Chief. Just because she can work Ossetia into her acceptance speech after days of preparation, doesn’t mean she has a grasp of the situation there. The world we live in has become a complicated and sometimes dangerous place, and whether we want to be involved in it or not, we have no choice.

For one minute, forget about the war in Iraq. Forget about the Russians seemingly giving little thought to what we think about them invading Georgia. Forget about the Iranians and the North Koreans. Forget about the complication of trying to protect Israel without actually provoking an attack on them from one of their neighbors. Forget about China, in fact, forget about everything other than one country-Afghanistan.

Most people on the Left and Right agree that Afghanistan is still a big problem. I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed by any stretch of the imagination. But I am smart enough to know how complicated even that one country has become. Their system of agriculture is a mess, hence the poppy growing and funding of the Taliban. What can we do about this? The Taliban is starting to make progress again. Why? Is this just a cultural and religious problem? Is it partially a problem of geography, simply because of all the mountains? What is going on with the Afghani people? What is going on with their government? Why hasn’t our relationship with Pakistan seemed to help much? Most of us don’t know the answers to these questions.

But the real problem is does Sarah Palin know? Has she ever had reason to even ponder these issues? It seems to me that she has probably been too busy taking care of things in Alaska. By her own admission, she hasn’t thought about Iraq much and we are fighting a huge and costly war there.

All of this of course is completely irrelevant, if you assume that nothing is going to happen to John McCain. But John McCain is 72 years old. If he is elected he will be the oldest person to ever be elected to a first term. What if something happens to him? What if something happens to him in February?

What do all of us want our parents and our elderly relatives to do, other than live comfortably for as long as possible? We want them to get their affairs in order. We want them to be prepared, if the worst should happen. As parents we try to have a plan for our children if something happens to us. John McCain hasn’t made those plans for America. John McCain hasn’t looked out for us in case something happens to him. I can guarantee John McCain has written up a will. And I can guarantee that if he hadn’t his children and Mrs. McCain would be thinking he was behaving irresponsibly.

By picking Sarah Palin, John McCain is behaving irresponsibly with all of us. He has consistently, until now, said that the most important quality for a Vice President is to be able to step in on day one. I don’t think Sarah Palin is ready to step in on day one. She might be some day, but will that for certain be in time? I am flabbergasted that John McCain is willing to take this risk. He seems to be willing to risk that he will stay healthy. He is willing to risk the safety of this nation and our children on his staying healthy when he is 72 years old.

Honestly, how dare he? This is not the same world as it was when we’ve elected Governors for President. Since the last time we elected a Governor for their first term as President we have been attacked. Not attacked at one of our embassies or consulates, but attacked here on American soil. Has McCain forgotten? If these were simple issues, then Bush would have made a lot more progress than he has.
Possibly the best argument against this point of view is that even if something happens to John McCain, then Palin will have a staff of well informed people around her to help.

Well, that is exactly what Lyndon Johnson had with Vietnam. People all around him telling him just a few thousand more troops and we can win. People told Johnson that month after month after month. That is exactly what George Bush Jr. had, a bunch of people around him, telling him there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. And now where are we? We still haven’t found most of the people involved in 911 and we still haven’t captured Bin Laden. But we have had thousands of our young men and women killed in Iraq.

Maybe, just maybe if President Bush had been more versed in foreign affairs, he would have made a different decision and those young men and women would still be with us today, to go on and marry and have children and grandchildren and live the long full lives they deserved, instead of dying in some God forsaken desert, thousands of miles away from home.

Sarah Palin may be a quick study. I don’t want a quick study on these international issues. I want someone who has had time to be exposed to the information and intelligence and had time to think about it. I don’t want someone who can sound good when they talk about National Security. I want someone who has had months and months and years and years of exposure to these issues. I want someone who understands the ramifications of every action we take on the international stage.

I used to believe that John McCain had the best interest of our country at heart. I don’t anymore. Sarah Palin is not ready on day one to be Commander in Chief. If John McCain wins this election he will have put us in a horribly dangerous position. I think to serve and protect applies here. John McCain has served his country admirably, but he has now completely failed to protect us.

If John McCain is elected in November I for one will pray every day for his health. And if something does happen to him while he is in office, then heaven help us all.

Posted by: S. Smith | September 5, 2008 6:53 AM | Report abuse

As an independent, Palin's speech was far superior to Obama's. It was flawlessly delivered and spoke to the most significant issue of our time, energy. Obama simply attacked McCain.

Posted by: asaian | September 5, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

I'm not convinced that either McCain and Palin are capable of positive real change in this country. To begin with, and with all due respect for McCain's military background, neither of them represents Americans of today. Neither one of them are in touch with the realities of the problems this country truly faces. And they are incapable of intelligently discussing these issues.

The choice of Palin by McCain displays his ineptness. She has no meaningful experience worth a hoot regardless of the spin doctors. And I could deliver a speech just as well if Mr. Gerson or the actual speechwriter wrote one for me to deliver.
After all, she was well coached. She did a good job of it, there's no denying that, but delivering a speech does not qualify you to be Vice President or more likely President.

McCains health is a major issue also here.
After eight disastrous, wasteful years of Bush do we as patriotic Americans want not only more of the same, but additional devestating agendas from the Supreme Court and the religious right? I think not!

Posted by: sanity | September 5, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Does Sara Palin actually believe she is better equipped than Obama to take up the role of President of the United States should it become necessary?

If the answer is yes, then she is ignorant of her shortcomings and what the job entails.

If the answer is no, then she is lying.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

McCain is a great patriot...and it is sad he stooped so low for a VP choice. This woman is not qualified. She is lacking in character, a thing I always thought John McCain held in high esteem. She lacks true leadership and I am fearful a chain of events could actually place her in a position of power. I have read some letters from Alaskan women who do not paint a very pretty picture of this very ambitious candidate. What the heck does hockey have to do with all of these very serious considerations, anyway?

Posted by: Minnesota hockey mom | September 5, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

"It takes so much more to lead than a white trash bimbo can deliver.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:23 PM"

The authentic voice of 'liberal' America.

Posted by: Cyril Berkeley | September 5, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

After 8 years of Frat Boy and Darth Vader, we deserve better than Crotchety Old Man and Pit Bull. We have a lot of cleaning up and healing to do. The streets of Washington are littered with the skeletons of tough talking neophytes who swaggered into town bragging about how they were going to "shake up Washington". How about we elect an experienced community organizer and all work together for a change?

Posted by: N McGuire | September 5, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Here is a native Wasilla resident who is not afraid to speak out about Sarah Palin.


I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city.
She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because she is a "babe".
It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months.
She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.
She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.
She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.
Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything like that of native Alaskans.
Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.
She's smart.
Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents.
During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall campaign.
Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative". During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.
The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit- generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.
While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.
These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.
As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.
In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus, borrow for needs.
She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them.
While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.
Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State's top cop (see below).
As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because he "intimidated" her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex- husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in- law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.
She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn't like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.
Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.
When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club" when she dramatically quit, exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).
As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.
As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance-- but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork".
She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.
Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.
As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum.
Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state initiative that would have either a) protected salmon streams from pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State's lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior's decision to list polar bears as threatened species.
McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President.
There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.
However, there's a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.
*"Hockey mom": true for a few years
*"PTA mom": true years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since
*"NRA supporter": absolutely true
*social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconstitutional) .
*pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to promote it.
*"Pro-life": mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation
*"Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.
*political maverick: not at all
*gutsy: absolutely!
*open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.
*has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
*"a Greenie": no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro- drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
*fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
*pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.
*pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents
*pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla's history.
*pro-labor/pro- union. No. Just because her husband works union doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro- union.
First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny + Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.
Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen when good people stay silent". Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings.
Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that's life.
Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's attempt at censorship.
Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.
I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor) from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private person to get any info out of City Hall--they are swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.
You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000", up to 9,000. The day Palin's selection was announced a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was 5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90's.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

EJ, when did you go through the official baptism of being dunked in the Obama tank? Or is it a requirement at WaPo nowadays?

I agree that Sarah Palin is not quite presidential material; yet. But by that reckoning, neither is neophyte Obama!

2 years of 'Community Organizing", a 100 "present" votes, six months as a US senator - bingo, Saint Obama is running for president.

If you are objective, and blind to the color of his skin, his candidacy wouldn't pass the laugh test. Or the smell test.

Posted by: Krishna | September 5, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Interesting. I went back and read Mr. Dionne's column and substituted "Barack Obama" for "Sarah Palin". It worked out about the same. Neither is very impressive. The difference -- one is running for president and the other is running for vice-president. Anyone else think the Democratic ticket is upside down?

Posted by: Jim | September 5, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans want my vote because they feel that they are the party of "family values." Yet McCain left his first wife for a rich trophy wife. What happened to "till death do us part?" Palin parades her family around like she is mother of the year. Her main strong point is that she "is a hockey mom." But she has made choices in her family that have lead to consequences that I hope I never find my self experiencing. I would rather have Chelsea Clinton as a daughter than Bristol Palin. No matter what you think of the Clintons, they did an excellent job raising their daughter. I want a president and a vice-president who cares about our country not my personal life. I supported Hillary Clinton and was willing to take another look at McCain but now that Palin is on the ticket, I am firmly in the Obama camp. I think of all the other talented Republican womem that could have been on the ticket and I get upset. Hutchinson, Dole, and Whitman would have gotten more Hillary Clinton supporters like myself. If I want moral guidance, I will go to church. I want an executive team that will work on the economy, defense, and health care.

Posted by: anonymous4 | September 5, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Which brings us to the point, Mr Dionne, that OBAMA's speeches are full of EMPTY RHETORIC. Remember, for example, his FISA vote where he said he would filibuster the bill, and ended up voting in favor of it? And JOE BIDEN is an ADMITTED PLAGIARIST. Remember the Neil Kinnock speech? Talk about an 8th grade standard??

Posted by: ttj | September 5, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I am a female voter, I do not support the republican party, nor do I have a party, I watched her speech to see if it was going to be a train wreck, like I am sure so many other did, there was not 37 million people watching her because the were wanting to like her, they were looking for something to go worng. I also watched John McCain's speech because he can not give one and I found it entertaining as usual to watch him struggle trying to read and be excited at the sametime.

Posted by: Angela | September 5, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Are we evaluating and electing the leaders of our country based on speeches? Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. Obama is an inspiring orator and he can deliver and awe with lofty rhetoric. But- the first substantive speech that Obama delivered was his acceptance speech. And- that was filled with typical democratic policy. What has he done? What hard decisions has he made in his positions as state senator and in the US Senate that have served the people? Nuance can indicate indecision. So can we vote on speeches - unfortunately the press, pundits and general population seem to think that is the criteria. We have a life to look at in McCain - not perfect- but a man who stands behind what he believes, and he knows what he believes.
Right now it seems from the speeches that we have a choice between the extreme right and the extreme left. But even that is not clear. Obama has become more moderate and McCain seems to be moving right. But I do know that if I want chage, McCain will deliver. Washington will be different. Obama hasn't shown that yet. Speeches won't do it. Debate may.

Posted by: Lizfi | September 5, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Another vet for Obama here. I will not forgive anyone in congress (McCain) who voted to go into Iraq with no real plan of what we were going to do once we got there. What a disaster this has been. Our Military might should be used only when it is really necessary and when there is a good plan in place. Neither was the case and now we are paying a huge price.


You're real coherent here, fellow. Notice that YOU WON'T BE VOTING FOR JOE BIDEN, either, BECAUSE BIDEN VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE WAR. SO DID HILLARY CLINTON. Obama voted against it in a state legislature where his vote was only symbolic. It's easy for him to stand up and grandstand against the war when he didn't have to take any real responsibility for anything. Notice he is a master at that. That is why he voted "present" 130 times in the Illinois state legislature to avoid having to commit to a yes or no vote.

Posted by: ttj | September 5, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

When has it EVER been noted, other than as a passing comment on the usual, that a male politician has had speach writers work with him on a speech?

Please provide a list of such instances or shut your sexist mouths about this non-issue.

More to the point, if you have ever given a public speech, you cannot obtain Palin's fluency, even to the point that you can go on flawlessly without a pause or hitch with an unsynched teleprompter, without INTERNALIZING the words. She worked on this speech with a writer.

Palin's level of fluency does not just happen. This is not merely her gift. The presentation was a result of Palin working hard to make the speech her own, including, I'm sure some of the phrasing.

Any political pro knows these basic facts and the failure to recognize them is intellectual dishonesty in the extreme.

To say you were judging her by an 8th grade standard, reveals your complete bias and, dare I say it, prejudices. Palin was thrust into this election one week before the speech. She had her life line jerked from her in the midst of the most consequential and anticipated and watched vice presidential speech in United States history. She was standing with complete calm, enjoying herself, after both she and her family had withstood a withering media firestorm on what would have been non-issues if she had been a democrat.

8th grade standard? Where are the feminists calling this bozo a sexist pig?

*cricket sounds*

I won't hold my breath.

Posted by: Jim | September 5, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

What does this say about our beloved republic, that a party has the gall to attack a brilliant proven candidate who has a record of achievement in community, intellectual and sustained public service through the voice of a deceptive, strident, inexperienced, hypocrtical, ruthless young woman? The party that has attacked Clinton for her gender screams sexism when Palin is investigated for her positions. But no one in the party screams racism when Palin tears into Obama. As a senior citizen feminist, I am in despair at such blatent prejudice, such dishonest politics. That McCain and his newest woman now parrot Obama's lines on bringing change to Washington does not make them change agents but sheer duplicitous gameplayers, lacking all integrity. For McCain it is clearly country last, McCain first. His harping on his POW years is a sickening self-serving self-aggrandizement. It is the false hero first, and dangerously, for all of us, country last.

Posted by: shirl | September 5, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

This guy starts off by saying that people that were already inclined to like Palin liked the speech. Well does that same logic also apply to people, like him, who were already inclined not to like the speech did not like it? What frauds commentators like Dionne are. If one could have taken Biden and replaced him with Palin at the Democrat convention giving the same type of speech but only from the democrat perspective he would have loved it.

Posted by: fastaire | September 5, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

It seems that this campaign is the first time Obama has worked in his life. Who in the hell has time to write two books if they are actually working? I would love to see how many billable hours Obama had when he was working as a civil rights attorney. Probably none, all pro bona do good stuff. Then he moves on to become a community organizer? A what? Obama is nothing but a "fairy tale" creation of the liberal media. A state legislator. What do they do when they are not legislating? Write books I guess. We need more than a talker and writer in the White House.

Posted by: Tim | September 5, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

To me, she sounded like the younger sister, carefully reading the second bible lesson at every wedding I've ever been to.

Posted by: Doubleupagus | September 5, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

The angry left responds. Get a life. Get over the fact you lost the last two general elections. What are you people going to do if the republicans win again? Maybe all of you will leave the country and make room for more illegal aliens. They at least will be more patriotic than the left wing, progressive nuts.

Posted by: Tom T | September 5, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

In addition to NOT being bowled over, I just did not understand why so many of the media announcers thought Palin was so impressive. She went on & on about McCain, her family, and personal attacks on Obama. I heard no substance. I expected some insight into her intelligence, some personal depth, views on the economy, world, healthcare, ... something. If you want to be an impressive speaker, join Toastmasters International. All I learned about Palin after the speech is that she is petty & snide.

Did anyone notice that Palin & McCain never make eye contact, not when they hug, not when they're standing next to each other, never? What kind of rapport is this for a team?

Posted by: Unimpressed in VA | September 5, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

If McCain had a bit of sense and political savvy, He would have picked Condi Rice as a running mate. Third most powerful in the whitehouse, conservative, black and a waoman! It would have gone a long way to satisfy the hard liners on the right, possible pulled die hard Hiliary supporters, ended all critism on foreign policiy experince, and quite possible struck a blow to the resounding image the Republicans have of being a party that states there for those poor hard working conservative people out there, while Apparently having almost nothing but rich white americans as supporters. it would have ended the race debate, and made the next 60 days a real shaker as say what you will about Condi, she IS intelligent, savvy, have supporters on both sides and would have given Biden a run for his money in a debate. It would have been a race about issuies. Instead, one again the party has decided to go for the knee jerk issuies that its base pushes, while ignoring the real issuies (Solving the problems in Iraq,instead of arguing who was right about it, fixing the economy, and real social conservatism.) This is going to come down to wether Barrack can get enough people to the polls come novemeber to overwhelm the republican base. I personally think the pools are WAY off and that this race is not as close as MSM would like to have you think.

Posted by: Andy | September 5, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Unimpressed in VA - did you hear any statements of substance from the RNC speakers ? I came away from listening convinced of one thing - I now know the story of McCain in Vietnam backwards, forwards and sideways. I wonder why Hollywood never made McCain the movie - perhaps they will now !

Posted by: aredee | September 5, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"That is why he voted "present" 130 times in the Illinois state legislature to avoid having to commit to a yes or no vote."

You probably don't know this, dittohead moron, but that was out of thousands of votes Obama cast. Also look into how often all of the other members of the Illinois state legislature also voted present.

Try to get a little context before spewing your RNC factoids.

Posted by: Spectator2 | September 5, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Suggesting that the ability to read a speech is somehow all Sarah Palin showed is ridiculous. First of all B.O. has nothing going for him if not for his ability to READ a speech. Every time that umm, uhh, duh, umm, guy opens his mouth off script he sticks his foot squarely into it. It's really unfair to ask him his opinion on something without first giving time for his speechwriters and handlers to tell him what that opinion is, this week.

Sarah Palin came off as a tough, poised, intelligent, conservative woman. There is a lot of campaign left to find out if she can stand behind that message but I think you are foolish to assume that she is just an empty skirt (what a woman not wearing a pant suit? The nerve.). I love the talking heads who are suggesting that mediocre won't be good enough in a come from behind election....Last I checked, it's a dead heat, and that doesn't bode well for the candidate who intends to change the world.

Posted by: LOLATALLOFYOU | September 5, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

BO's speeches remind me of the lofty, idealistic and untimately vapid Valedictorian speeches from high school commencements... something to inspire 18-year olds with little life experience. Young voters are his target group.

That said, am I the only one who finds his stuttering and stammering in unscripted conversation annoying?

Posted by: Bloomergal | September 5, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I think the press ... and the country .. got played by the RNC. It was a setup. I think they knew everything that they needed to know .. she WAS sufficiently vetted ... for their purposes. I think the McCain campaign dropped the news about the daughter on Monday specifically to create the ensuing two days of media havoc and consternation ... which allowed them to claim "liberal Media bias" and to demand that any reporting on the family was out of bounds and an invasion of privacy. Inoculation for what was to come.

By the time that Palin spoke on Wednesday night, the level of expectation had been forced so low that she could have delivered a junior high valedictory and it would have been compared to the Gettysburg Address. The parading of her children and family ... and the reception by McCain of her future "son-in-law" .. may ultimately be considered the most hypocritical, self-serving and exploitative episode in the history of American politics.

Can anyone recall a comparably crass event?

Posted by: Alex | September 5, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Shi# talking and nothing else of substance does not make for a good speech.

I wanted to smack the smirk off her face during all her lame jokey jokes....

Posted by: My thoughts exactly... | September 5, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line...she's not qualified. But then neither is McCain(nor was Bush). She has what the "Party" is looking for...blind loyalty with no room for ethics or character. She'll be find. She's among fellow travelers.

Posted by: robertsgt401 | September 5, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Pa-Limbaugh = Rush Limbaugh with lipstick.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Thank God to see a comment written by someone with a still-functioning brain. You, Dan Froomkin, and a couple of other commentators are the only reason that I even both to read the Post any more. I generally get much better coverage of the news from the foreign press, who seem at the very least to look beyond gushing Republican press releases.
Believe me, after Ms Palin's speech, I immediately sent in a contribution to the Obama-Biden campaign and today I sent in yet another one. Ms Palin certainly has energized voters, but perhaps not those she was intended to energize. I consider the fact that this totally inexperienced fascist has been pushed to the front of the line simply because she has breasts to be totally insulting to intelligent women everywhere. Hillary did not work her a** off to get 18 million votes for this cynicism to be so blatantly demonstrated. BAD miscalculation, Mr. Rove!
McCain-Palin is Bush-Cheney redux, but worse, because there is NO excuse whatsoever for us not to know better after eight years of total BS and criminal acts.

Posted by: jkc | September 5, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

It felt like a PTA meeting. And when here family came out, the first thing that came to mind was the movie Idiocracy. Just not as funny.

Posted by: JakeyLi | September 5, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Thank God for the wisdom and insights of the eastern elites. These are the progressives (radical leftists) and liberal media, Democrats and blogger who are attend the "right" universities where connections or affirmative action get you in, although there are also a few really bright people. These are the people that are able to accurately evaluate over 300,000,000 Americans capacity for higher office.

The truth is Palin is from the ranks of the vast majority of Americans, that went to college and worked in the real world. In the real world where performance counts, not what newspaper you work for or what university you teach at 20 hours a week, or what job you have because of the money your mommy or daddy has.

Posted by: rljmsilver | September 5, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Dummy wrote: "Her speech was too harsh, biting and lacking substance to be given by a newcomer to national politics."
Oh, newcomers have to know their place? Girls in the back row? What a pile of left-wing feathers.

Posted by: Minerva | September 5, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

She thinks the government, not individual women, should have final say on what they do with their bodies. That includes her. If she doesn't trust herself to make important decisions without supervision, why should we?

Posted by: rMarigny | September 5, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

We all have our opinions about Sarah Palin and her speech. My question is has anybody checked her voting records in Wasilla Alaska where she was Mayor or her records as the Governor? They will tell you who the real Sarah Palin is. You may really be surprise after checking her voting records because they tell a different story than what she said in her speech. This election should be about trying to turn our country around and who would do the best job. CHECK HER RECORDS!!

Posted by: Jackie | September 5, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

John McCain thinks that anyone making less then 5 mil and knows (within 2 or 3) how many houses she owns is "middle class". His runnning mate thinks that Iraq is being managed by God and appears to have abused her power as governor to exact a personal vedetta. Palin complained that Hillary was whining during the primaries about sexist treatment, and now her (Palin's)defenders are crying "sexism"! The Right believes that it has the moral authority to dictate to the rest of us how to live our lives, raise our kids, and manage our own bodies; but none of those same rules for us apply to them (underage, out of wedlock pregnancies are OKIYAR).

Somewhere, Lewis Carroll and George Orwell are smiling.

Posted by: aqualung | September 5, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Thank you. Finally! I was beginning to think I hit my head. I even went back and found a copy of Palin's speech on-line to see if I had missed something. And no, there was nothing there -- just as I recalled. I don't get it. I feel like I could have delivered that speech better and without the teleprompter. Pedestrian at best.

But I have to admit -- if she had given that speech in a PTA meeting -- I would have been on my feet. But then again we are talking about the PRESIDENCY of the United States right?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm thoroughly enjoying the left grasp blindly at straws. Their man has been portrayed as nothing short of a miracle, and in Pelosi's own words, "sent to us by God". We've seen how Obama stumbles when his teleprompter malfunctions, essentially shutting down his speeches that are written by speech writers. Now, we have an amazing woman who reads a speech, and suddenly, being able to read isn't all that important.

What happened? Why such a change of heart from the left? I'm quite amused.

Posted by: Texas | September 5, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse


The restrictive shackles strapped to politicians when running for office too often hide the personality.

Thanks Rudolph.

Posted by: PacificGatePost | September 5, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Hey JKC -- Good idea!

I have NEVER donated monies to a campaign before and I never really considered it but you are right. After hearing the speeches from both sides I decided I had to do something. We've got to get America back on track. I don't want more of the McSame. So I donated to the Obama campaign. Thanks again.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Oh COME, now.

Palin is from a small state, but a VERY tough state, wherer the oil boys and the
ole boys are crooked as old spines.

There's a sugar daddy in the swamp, someone very dedicated who guided and who expects a big pay off.

No one,let along women from tiny tiny towns
goes that far, that fast without a concentrated "helper" somewhere. Somenone who guided a small town "gal" to Washington's most sophisticated lobbyists.
And the vagaries of how to handle the Old Senator from Alaska who was suddenly (after ALL THOSE YEARS was taken down by a housing construction gift?

Ya think so? She did it all herrself?

Posted by: SUGARD DADDY THERE | September 5, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I thought krugman in the nyt put it real well. They are selling resentment.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Pa-Limbaugh = Rush Limbaugh with lipstick.

That's funny.

have you heard these:

The Thrilla from Wasilla
Caribou Barbie (my personal favorite) it highlights the superficial nature of the speech she delivered the other night.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

What said it all was what she did not say. Not once did she state her absolute conviction that abortion should be outlawed, or that creationism should be taught as science alongside of evolution in public schools, or that she believes God wanted our country to pre-emptively attack Iraq. The scarey part, is that the GOP wanted her looney right ideas under wraps and just show the world that she is a funny, funky, smart and capable person. That is what the GOP wanted us to see because it could convince women and blue collar workers to vote Republican if they are not educated about her inability to separate church and state, and her own religious beliefs and the body and minds of women and their children.

Posted by: Madeleine | September 5, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Maybe some thought it was a clever or funny speech. It was full of cutting one liners. Do we really want Whoopie Goldberg as our next vice president?

Sarah Palin should be doing stand-up some where, or hosting the Oscars. She is not VP material.

Posted by: Sid | September 5, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Tim said:

It seems that this campaign is the first time Obama has worked in his life. Who in the hell has time to write two books if they are actually working? I would love to see how many billable hours Obama had when he was working as a civil rights attorney. Probably none, all pro bona do good stuff. Then he moves on to become a community organizer? A what? Obama is nothing but a "fairy tale" creation of the liberal media. A state legislator. What do they do when they are not legislating? Write books I guess. We need more than a talker and writer in the White House.

Poor Tim. Do you know how many books have John McCain’s name on them? A quick search of Amazon shows:

Faith of My Fathers, A Family Memoir
Character Is Destiny
Hard Call, Great Decisions and the Extraordinary People Who Made Them:
Why Courage Matters: The Way to a Braver Life
Worth the Fighting For: A Memoir

But then he really wasn’t the author. Mark Salter was. McCain just has his name on them. How can that be? WaPo actually had an article that told us. It’s kind of Star Trek.

The front page article was entitled The Curious Mind of John McCain” was mostly fawning but what caught my attention were the first few pargraphs.

We know Salter co-wrote/ghostwrote McCain’s books. What’s strange is how he wrote them. It seems that he channeled John McCain. John McCain didn’t actually think, say, or write his thoughts and feelings. Salter “surmised” them up and ran them by McCain. Well, McCain’s staff describes it as a “mind meld.”

Salter explained his technique.

"It's his voice, but I'm going inside his head to speak some psychological truth about him. I'm drawing a conclusion based on my observation of him. I always show him: 'This is what I've written. This is what I think about you. Is this fair?' " No one is closer to McCain than Salter, who has been with him since 1989. Their associates describe a "mind meld" that has created an extraordinarily close partnership.”

“But even Salter sometimes has to guess what McCain might be thinking, particularly on sensitive subjects. "Things go on inside McCain's head that rarely or never come out," Salter explained.”

Where’s Spock when you need him”

Posted by: Sandy | September 5, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow! The Wasilla guy wrote a lot at 10:00 a.m. Do you have a job? If not, I hope you're not waiting on McCain and Palin to fix the economy. McCain doesn't associated with nor care about anyone who makes less than $5 mil., and Palin is an opportunist in this for herself. So it looks like you Wasillians may be in for a rude awakening.

anonymous4, you were right on target. Family values coming from McCain and Palin is simply hypocrosy.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

AAAAAA she's a girl don't pick on her. Boo hoo hoo. I wan my mummy. Yes please don't give her a hard time about anything as this would mean that the terrorist are winning.

The world will come to an end if you say anything bad about a women waaaa waaaaaa

Yes I'm sure the men in the old boys club will be kind to her when she fups.

Posted by: gort | September 5, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Real Brother here.

This is the first time I've read a commentator who actually told the truth about Palin's speech. Dionne hit the nail right square on the head. The first thing I said(and you can go back and find it) was that Palin was supposed to have more experience and be more qualified then Barack Obama yet her speech couldn't touch one line of his.Our expectations were so low with Palin that all she had to do was burp and everyone would have sworn it was the Gettysburg Address.

The Repubicans think America is full of Stupid Racists and while I agree that there are a lot of DUMMIES who supported Hillary and are Racists who support McCain(bitter,Rednecks who cling to their guns and reliegon)but there are even MORE who are supporting Barack Obama because even when a group of people are STUPID they will look to follow the SMARTEST and BEST leader.Even McCain by stealing Obama's mantle of "Change" and adopting his troop withdrawl and seeking alternative sources of energy and putting a minority on the ticket is simply FOLLOWING Obama.While the GOP hopes that the electorate is DUMB enough to fall for McCain and Palin its only a pipe dream the masses will follow Barack Obama and Joe Biden because they simply are smarter, more experienced and better qualified for the job.


Posted by: Realbrother | September 5, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

My first reaction when I saw Palin on the TV was, "She looks just like Gidgit!" Once I heard her speak, I realized that she wasn't as articulate or mature as Gidgit.

Posted by: beachrose | September 5, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a hypocrite and a lie. She comes out of nowhere with a 2 bit education- (attended 5 colleges in 6 years). Brings the issues of Jerry Springer (pregers daughter and sleazy 18 year old tattoo boyfriend) to the front line of the white house and is currently in involved in a family scandal (no surprise here) somewhere back in her ice state involving corruption? I mean honestly is this women fit to lead our great nation in any capacity?
As if her drama wasn’t enough- her two biggest platform beliefs against abortion and creationism in schools and drilling in Alaska are completely contradictory of the facts she is living. She claims just say no is the answer and she couldn’t even get her daughter to follow that one?!??!?!? She claims creationism in school yet she wants to DESTROY ONE OF GOD’S GREATEST AMERICAN REASOURCES in Alaska to drill for oil and she proceeds to try to make a choice for every one in her ridiculous middle ages stance against abortion???? Well listen her Palin if you want to live in the ice and the snow, grunt and bleed in child birth 5 times- once while you are 44 years old and than raise a 17 year old pregnant teen in our your home as an example for your 5 year old daughter than you go right ahead. But I got news for you Ms Palin, women here in the mainland- outside of the ice of Alaska that’s not quite how WE LIVE as women and as a result you had best pack your bags and all of your kids and return to your home to your previous job of hockey mom- PS thanks for the reality show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just remember to keep tuning in to James Dobson every night seems like you all got it right this far along- straight to early grandma land thanks to his leading of your 17 year old

Posted by: A WOMENS VOICE | September 5, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm still waiting for a pundit to ask EITHER McSame or Sarah Barracude exactly how McCAIN has any executive experience.

Every single criticism she made of Obama's "lack of experience" applies exactly the same way to McSame.

I guess the real difference is that McSame was not a "community organizer." No, he was just a collaborator with the North Vietnamese enemy, which he admitted last night, also to NO MEDIA COVEAGE.

And the media is critical of Republicans? You've got to be kidding.

Posted by: No Way, No How, No McCain | September 5, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey, let's all meet for the big party at E.J. Dionne's house in Rehoboth. You bring the Rainbow Flag...You bring the 8X10 glossies of Keith Obermann in a Speedo.....You bring multiple copies of Barak's book; The Audacity of Hump...I mean hope...or I mean I hope I hump...never mind, Bonehug!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Thelonemule | September 5, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

America is divided into 2 groups: the 90% who are looking for someone else to save them, and the 10% who make their own millions. Stop watching the Presidential race with a magnifying glass! As far as I'm concerned, all the prez has to be is smart and dashing. I'll buy my own healthcare, make sure I live in a gated community for security, and make enough money that taxes are nothing more than an amusing game of numbers.

Posted by: Robert | September 5, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Thelonemule- I'll come to the party if you wear a $300,000 suit and bring your 10 kids and give birth to triplets while making a speech. See you there! Don't forget your 15 college transcipts from trying to earn 1 college degree. For a party game lets pick our coffins we are over the hill at 72!!
Should be fun.

Posted by: OBAMA GIRL | September 5, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Both sides --- Republican and Democrat --- come on here to post because of fear; fear that the other side will convince the feebleminded.

Well, I am not going to attack Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin.

But, I will agree to the fact that we have too many feebleminded, intellectually lazy people in this country. Even many I have met with college degrees are led by one of the four Pied Pipers mentioned above.

I have listened carefully to ALL the debates and BOTH conventions.

I am going to vote for McCain/Palin, but am not happy about my choices.

I am waiting for Jindal and Pawlenty to ripen ... or, the return of Jeb Bush or Newt Gingrich.

Posted by: Truth Monitor | September 6, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Dionne appears to be the blithering fool, along with a lot of other commenters, trying to use their brains to figure out the best ways to dismiss Palin while they ignore their right brain which, if functioning, should tell them she's an intelligent, aggressive woman of strong moral character whom only a left wing idiot would be repulsed by. Though the words of the speech were good, for a change, why not try getting a feel for the person delivering them, by listening to the tone of voice, watching facial expressions, searching for nervousness or a relaxed cadence, etc? It seems to me, pseudo-bright lefties often have never developed or have lost somehow their "primitive" capabilities for common sense, rational feeling judgments,and intuition. No wonder they're all so dorky.

Posted by: robert e | September 6, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

NEWS FLASH: Obama speech draws rave reviews!

SOME REACTIONS: That Obama sure is a great speaker!!!

NEWS FLASH: Palin Speech draws rave reviews!

SOME REACTIONS: ehh. She has a great speech writer. Plus she can read from a teleprompter. Whoopedoo.

NEWS FLASH: Obama Speeh draws 38 million viewers!

SOME REACTIONS: Of course!! Everyone loves Obama! He's a swell speaker!! This proves that he is loved by everyone!!!!

NEWS FLASH: Palin Speech draws 37 million viewers!

SOME REACTIONS: Of course!! Everyone just wants to hear who she is and what she got to say. Aint mean nothing. Plus she just read a speech written by someone else. No big deal...

NEWS FLASH: McCain's Speech draws MORE VIEWERS than Obama Speech...

SOME REACTIONS: .......... er.. probably nothing else on TV that night. yeah, that's it.

Posted by: Al | September 6, 2008 2:22 AM | Report abuse

Palin is a product of an culture that loves American Idol and other reality TV shows that throw a "Normal" person on a national stage. It's exciting and adds drama to otherwise dud of a republican ticket. It doesn't matter if it's extremely reckless and proves poor judgment on McCain's part because the lady adds the drama needed to keep America from completely dismissing an out of touch old man. The proof is the TV ratings outshining Obama's acceptance speech. America simply is waiting to see the train wreck, it didn't happen with this particular speech, but I suspect it will be soon.

Posted by: bill b | September 6, 2008 4:33 AM | Report abuse

NEWS FLASH (UPDATE!!!) Palin's TV ratings outshining Obama's acceptance speech

SOME REACTIONS: .......... er.. probably nothing else on TV that night. yeah, that's it.

Hold on a sec.. thats not it. Ok, here we go:

"Palin is a product of an culture that loves American Idol and other reality TV shows that throw a "Normal" person on a national stage"

"America simply is waiting to see the train wreck".

Yep. *MUCH* Better.....

Posted by: Al | September 6, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

This Just In:

Obama Girl Exposed!!!

After getting a close look, a nauseous nation asks her (him) to put clothes back on.


Posted by: Thelonemule | September 6, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

To all you neocon nitpickers

There are actually only 46 states - the other four are commonwealths

And we know Ms. Palin can shoot better than Uncle Dick - after all if you can chase a wolf in a helicopter until its tongue is hanging out and shoot it with a high powered rifle - you're ready to lead!

When we going to trot out Miz Sarah and let her talk to the media?

Posted by: MacDaddy | September 6, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Palin did well at what she is being asked to do. She shows a natural voice, good pacing, got in rhythm with the crowd...she's going to be very good at her role—that of John McCain's smiling pit bull. She’ll continue to do well if she can avoid becoming Spiro Agnew (blame-the-messenger attacks get old quickly).

So far (over one convention week) McCain’s looks like a good political gamble. It will be interesting to see how it plays out over the longer term. My prediction is that it won’t make much difference in the end. As voters come to realize Palin’s views on social issues are at the extreme end of the far right wing (not popular with the wider electorate), and that her economic history is closer to the redistributionist left (e.g., the windfall profits tax on oil companies she pushed through with the help of the Dems in the Alaska legislature), the buzz will die down and the election with go back to being between McCain and Obama.

I do think she has a future in national politics but only at the Huckabee-Buchanan level…limited to a niche candidate of the Christian Right.

Posted by: purplemartin | September 6, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Sarah the Barracuda says, “Sambo Beat the B!tch” referring to obama and hillary
Alaskans Speak (In A Frightened Whisper): Palin Is “Racist, Sexist, Vindictive, And Mean”
Full Story:

“Sambo Beat the B!tch”
“Palin is a conniving, manipulative, a**hole,” someone who thinks these are positive traits in a governor told me, summing up Palin’s tenure in Alaska state and local politics.

“She’s a bigot, a racist, and a liar,” is the more blunt assessment of Arnold Gerstheimer who lived in Alaska until two years ago and is now a businessman in Idaho.

Full Story:

Posted by: deshaun, atl, ga | September 6, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Are you even a journalist?Did you ever ever question the qaulifications of Obama who has no accomplishment in any position he held so far.All he does was recite some words.Her speech was 100 times better than Obama.She showed blind people like you who Obama really was.

Posted by: Tarheeler | September 6, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

In response to Thelonemule:


The Democratic Warrior

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Posted by: Tom | September 6, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

sarah palin should not be a concern here. her star will fizzle out as soon as she slams to the real world. although she repeats the same 'good ole boy speech' she is nothing to be concerned about.

Posted by: RYAN | September 6, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Ryan, if you listen to both John McCain and Sarah Palin. Both repeat the same thing everytime they open their pie hole. Nothing new comes forth worth and Joe Biden pointed this out yesterday. What can they talk about but what their saying. One thing has 'CHANGED' though! Taking a page from Obama's plan. Yes you got it! CHANGE!

Posted by: ted | September 6, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama's Father was first African to attend Hawiian University in 1959. Show's me Obama perhaps is destine for great things. Hold on to your day job Sarah! A true Change is uh coming!

Posted by: KIM | September 6, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I love Barack Obama's past...he has a very interesting past to say the least. His past is really remarkable!

Posted by: Debbie | September 6, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

McCain is more of the same.

McCain has 169 lobbyists working for him including his campaign manager.

Obama has zero.

Posted by: formerRepublican | September 6, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

All the condensenion from the rich elietes on the right are getting real old. You all act like intellegence is the same as commen sense. I know an ."intelligent" teacher who couldn't figure out how to install a car battery, something a ten year old can do(I did it myself). A high IQ doesn't mean your always smart. I usually test at 142-148, and as high as 165 back in the 70's before a couple of decades(25-28yrs) of drugs, alcohol, strippers and general lousy choices took it's toll.I never have been good at speaking, or english skills in general.(spelling? not my strong point).
Math, dianostic skills, engineering, logic. My strong suits. Not withstanding I made a mess of my life.Intellengence isn't a qualifing standard. Commen sense, a sense of duty to something greater than yourself, respect and compassion for all fellow human beings is much more important.

Posted by: Marx Bro | September 7, 2008 3:44 AM | Report abuse

Mrs. Paylin goes a long way in making the point that partisan politics is the bain of this country.If you listen to these people,its not whats good for the country but whats good for the party.Mrs. Paylin makes that point.She is a interesting story but is she the best that was available.I remember when H.W. Bush said that Clarence Thomas was the best person for the Supreme court.Every Lawyer in the country knew better.But on partisan lines he was great.Now, I have to pray for the good health of Mr. McCain or heaven help us all.Because he is all ready slipping,but it is bad form for me to say it.Mr. McCain is in the early stages of dementia.It's kind of like the Emperor's new cloths,nobody can tell him that he's naked.But if you check out his behavior,you can see that his skills are slowed....I'm just saying...

Posted by: Maarafu Ojo | September 7, 2008 3:55 AM | Report abuse

A question to you Obama fans... are you aware that of he wins, he will be addressed as UNITED STATES PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA... (his full name?)

I'm not making any innuendos or judgements about it.. a name is just a name. Just asking if everyone is aware, bec i was surprised that about 60% of my officemates were not aware of this and was surprised to hear it... some even thought it was a hoax or something but they checked it on the net.

Posted by: Jack B. | September 7, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse








Posted by: BABY AUTISM | September 7, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: UNCLE SAM | September 7, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: AUTISM BABY | September 7, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

To "Baby Autism"... her baby has DOWN SYNDROME, not AUTISM... if you are going to make fun of an innocent and disadvantaged baby, cant you even get it right ? jeeez... talk about "Special Needs" people.. you fit the bill. And watch those caps. what are you, 12?

Posted by: Gina | September 8, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

and by the way, I just screencapped and put a link of posts like that to a blog that collects how Palin is being ridiculed by media and bloggers bec of her gender, her special needs baby and her pregnant daughter... just makes her all the more sympathetic which *do* help some swing voters (especially women) consider her more than it would have if people just stuck to other issues (like experience). So thanks for that. You can think on how your inane posts actually HELP HER WIN MORE VOTES... :-P

Posted by: Gina | September 8, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

I agree with what Dionne writes. I am old fashioned - I think that the job of President and Vice President of the United States are serious jobs, meant only for the most serious, most qualified few. I was a Clinton supporter because I had felt Obama was under-prepared. But Palin eclipses Obama as least ready to lead our nation, her candidacy casts serious doubts on McCain's judgment. If you are a Democrat, you can take comfort in that fact that Obama is well-educated and seems like a quick study, and Biden is one of our best foreign policy experts. If you are a Republican, you can probably live with the predictable, Luddite McCain, and hope he choses a Cabinet that lives in the 21st century. But I don't care how conservative you may be, if you are serious about the future of our country, you can't possibly think Palin is ready for the White House. Her resume is as thin as arctic ice. Poor Mitt Romney and the other short listers must feel like they are living in a Twilight Zone episode, or a very bad dream. So much for an educated electorate...forgive us, President Jefferson, we know not what we do.

Posted by: anydemwilldo | September 8, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Didn't you get the memo from your colleagues? Equal standards don't apply to black male candidates and white female candidates of a certain age and physical appearance. Yes, it's true the same white MSM who said Obama must give specifics instead of flourishing speeches now says that Sarah Palin does NOT have to give specifics only snappy one liners and all the better if they smear community organizers b/c we all know there is nothing more silly than trying to help folks left behind by their government, particularly racial minorities and the elderly poor. They don't buy newspapers.

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Posted by: BABY AUTISM | September 8, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Hillary broke through the 'male only' presidential candidates club, so McCain thinks just any creationist woman will do for v.p. to get him some votes from women voters. Sarah Palin does brighten up his lackluster slate, but she is more of a 'hockey mom' than national leader. When she cracks those one-liners, I just can't help but see her as nothing more than an appealing stand-up comedian doing her female politician schtick. The thought of her being behind ole geezer McCain, just a heartbeat away from replacing the oldest person to ever run for the office, should scare any rational person. BTW: Palin does not believe in evolution, global warming, a woman's right to choose, etc., etc.

Posted by: Palin scares me | September 8, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I guess McCain-cient thought Sarah Palin would make a better v.p. than Tom Ridge. Sorry Mac, I am voting for Obama now that you've stuck her in our faces. She is ready to be the president, the president of the local school board

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Posted by: BABY AUTISM | September 8, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

David Gregory has to take over the election anchor chair on MSNBC because Matthews and Olbermann can't get viewers. LMAO.

B-U-M-P go the polls ... for McCain/Palin.

Posted by: McCain Poll Watcher | September 8, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

McCain Watcher and all McCain hopefuls. That B-U-M-P your boasting about represent potential voters. So pay attention now and don't hurt yourselves. The powder keg hasn't been lit yet. I give Sarah McBush 2 more weeks as the B-U-M-P falls for John McBush PART III.

Posted by: OBAMA POLL WATCHER | September 8, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

if Obama was so great. why aren't his half brothers and sisters coming out to support him? shouldn't the half breads be supporting their brother? only go to show that they still know, they don't belong!

Posted by: McCain for the South | September 8, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: BABY AUTISM | September 8, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

How are you Mr. McCain going to separate your self from the BUSH Administration? Its funny how the Republican talking heads are now talking "change". Karl Rove "change" tactic will catch up with John McBush's PART III strategy. If Mr. Rove thinks that "all" people want see through this smoke screen. I have property in Alaska that has a BRIDGE that leads to SOMEWHERE!

Posted by: OBAMA POLL WATCHER | September 8, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

do have a life line when walking that Bridge!

Posted by: OBAMA POLL WATCHER | September 8, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Dear Gina,
I understand what your feelings are trying to say. But I think that person was trying to focus on something else. I can't speak for people here so I will not try to. You gave me a great ideal that will I'm sure help me and my party. I would share it but, I agree with that person when they say vindictive. thank you...

Posted by: Debbie | September 8, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

We around the WORLD can see the line being drawn between Black and White relations. It was viewed early that the United States had put Racism behind it.

Your Administration is using the woman to further the difference between you two people's hatred. So sad when you both should care for the same things.

Posted by: Voice of the World in the U.S. | September 8, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

The purpose of a Poll or Survey is to cause consumers to get excited. Who are the people who want people excited. Who better served when the consumers are excited and or happy. Let's take our own Poll. When your happy and or excited, what do we do? Would it be that we have no problem spending money? Would it be things that we normally wouldn't do. You tell me? Are we all just these fools that listen and believe everything we hear? Are we the one's who follow and not lead? Or are we the one's claims to lead, but follow anyway? Really, who are we? I guess you can say just stupid?

Posted by: survey takers... | September 8, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Mrs. Palin believe's and her church believe's that gays can be converted straight in her church in Alaska. To all gays, male or female, should that be the concern of a Gov. of any State? Mrs. Palin and her church speaks in tongues I heard on CNN. They pray for GOD to deliver them a pipe line? They speak in tongues? They pray for pipe lines?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Bill Lonergan

Did you come up with that yourself...? What a wit...!

How about "Friends don't let any "friend" who disagrees with them get on voter registration lists in the first place...?" That way you don't have to have Katherine Harris helping brother Jeb in that annoying papertrail kind of way as he hands the election to his brother while daddy smiles and nods...

Trash our democracy and call yourselves patriots...

Posted by: c earl jr | September 8, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin speaks in church hoping GOD is behind the war in Iraq. Hoping GOD has control of the war and troops are not dying. But when she was interviewed before McCain asked her to be V.P. Palin claims she knows nothing about war and had no interest to know! But her son enlisted sept. 11, 2008! I don't understand exactly what she's really saying.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

"Baby Autism",

aww.. it seemed i upset you. You just had to check in and post 3 TIMES (at least an hour apart from each post) You clearly were agitated by my tiny post. Check my 2 posts again.. my only problem w you was you making fun of a disadvantaged baby (and getting his condition wrong at the same time). I did not defend Palin, did not endorse her, did not praise her. In fact i clued you in that if you want to attack her, i advise that you stick with issues bec attacking her personally and her family seems to be backfiring, If i was Obama's campaign adviser, i would give the same advice (in fact thats what Obama said himself). So i dont know what your problem is, except you prolly got embarassed in a public forum and felt the need to lash out and prove your 'tough'. ('screaming' in ALL CAPS is exactly one way to do this actually).

Posted by: Gina | September 9, 2008 2:04 AM | Report abuse

hahahahahaha your cute young lady. Naw,

I'm not upset its just you hurt my feelings. But, to be honest with you. I'm not happy with how the Republican Party running their shananigan of a Campaign. Back to the "good ole boy politics" win at all cost.

Karl Rove and Bush 'not' McCain are trying to get back into the White House. If you look at the (R) that baby did not have any ear protection. And maybe you don't care, I was trying to point out "Palin" careless handling handling of her own child.

You would think someone over their had enough sense to atleast consider that childs hearing. Is it wrong for me to point out this kind of abuse? O.K., yeah... what do I care? its not my child right?

Can you tell me Gina how many adults and Professional people were in that convention. And not a one even considered that childs well being. The only person who even thought of that child was his little sister. Licking her hand and grooming her little brother while mom and dad are playing the Donnie and Marie role.

If down syndrome is a real concern, and it has to be! Why not introduce the child on the BIG screen. If "Palin" wants to use her Family as a Political tool. That would have been the way to go and it just bothers me that no one Gina, not a one person thought of that!

Now, my mind set is that if that childs well being couldn't have been considered in a way that the little sister was showing love and care...WOW.

Why is "Palin" wait ...I'm also thinking this. When McCain introduce his V.P. last week "Palin" had BIG sister holding the baby. One day later "Palin" announced that 'Trac' baby was in the van with his BIG sister.

I mean, poor teenager!

No one is saying she does'nt love little brother. Let the teenager be an teenager. Its none of my business but maybe thats why teenager is having a baby.

Hey...thats how we think! She is one of us right?

Well anyway Gina, those are my thoughts and I wasn't trying to offend anyone. And thank you for your response just lets me know you are a real

You know what I mean. And sorry for the CAPS. We're all Americans in the same boat and I will give you my life preserver anytime. autism.

Posted by: baby autism | September 9, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry ladies, I can't agree with McCain's choice. Where are the days when the Father takes the daughter's boyfriend and takes him to the side. And remind him. Hey...with gun in hand and say listen! That is my baby, that is my first born daughter. If you even think about having sex with her. You better think again. If, and I mean if you get my daughter pregnant. There will be hell to pay. The boyfriend, not the daughter showed no respect for the Palin Family. My question is why didn't he? What was going on with this family. And why did the family allow this to happen? why? My guess is that the family structure here is not that of the most common. Who is in charge of this family and why didn't "TODD" know what his daughter was doing. Were they, meaning the busy that they forgot about their children? So, again ladies sorry and this Republican don't feel comfortable about this. John McCain I want to trust but, his choice could have been a better one. Infact when I read the list of choices McCain could have made? I just shake my head in dismay! Very bad choice McCain and the Democrats are going to reveal the obvious. McCain is showing very poor judgement and Palin can't convince me otherwise.

Posted by: From The South Democrat | September 9, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

President Bush just announced that troops in Iraq will start to deploy home. Seems to me that Obama knew something that McCain didn't know. Is McCain out of touch with his party? He is a Republican and drives around in a golf cart with Poppa Bush. Did McCain not get the memo? O.K. Americans stand up and VOTE Democrat...stand up and VOTE Democrat.

Posted by: American for U.S. Soldier in Iraq | September 9, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

McCain's "CHANGE" I WAS A P.O.W. AND THE SURGE WORKED. hahahahahahahhaahahahahaha

Palin... I told congress that bridge to nowhere, thanks but no thanks!

Posted by: Broken Record | September 9, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

McBush/Palin...turn the page. Tell us what your going to do for us americans already!

Posted by: I agree | September 9, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: help me wanda | September 9, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

McCain poll watcher,

MSNBS replacing Olbberman and Matthews with Rachel Maddow.

To counter Republicans and Karl Rove who are trying to hide "Sarah Palin" at every measure from the American Public. (R) CRYING FOUL...

So now msnbc can go toe to toe with "Palin" and not make it seem their taking a gun to a knife fight!

Posted by: OBAMA POLL WATCHER | September 9, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

The odd thing is that McCain/Palin should be a losing ticket on personalities, too.
A wheezing geezer on a whirligig seesaw and a lying pit bull with lipstick on her murderous muzzle (her self-description) - how attractive, how compelling...
so, if it's personalities: Obama/Biden '08
and,if it's issues, well only one team is running on those: Obama/Biden '08

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Posted by: CRY BABIES | September 9, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm an avid animal lover. I see photo's of Sarah Palin with dead animals. But, I also hear she hate cat's. All this makes sense if she's killing these poor other animals.

Posted by: animal lover | September 9, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Palin's invectives and her condescending and negating comments on community organizations which try to organize the disenfranchised showed her lack of humanity. McCain spoke about himself and showed his lack of interest on the American people. The "oil ticket" of McCain and Palin will be palatable for the Russians because the cause of oil as energy will be maintained and they, with their oil resources, can laugh their way to the bank if the ticket wins. wins.

Posted by: rojajv | September 9, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Palin's invectives and her condescending and negating comments on community organizations which try to organize the disenfranchised showed her lack of humanity. McCain spoke about himself and showed his lack of interest on the American people. The "oil ticket" of McCain and Palin will be palatable for the Russians because the cause of oil as energy will be maintained and they, with their oil resources, can laugh their way to the bank if the ticket wins.

Posted by: rojajv | September 9, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

The recent poll numbers (9/8 and 9/9) show that Palin's "Eighth Grade" level speech is making waves.

Much of what is posted here, including by Mr. Dionne, is best described as what they want to be the case, as opposed to what is actually taking place.

Some of you seem to not understand that there are people in America who are just as reasonable, intelligent and educated as yourselves and the liberal part of the media, and that these people often have very different but also very informed views.

That arrogance (the arrogance that leads you to believe that if an observer is educated and intelligent then that observer would obviously think like you) therefore often blinds you from seeing the truth, like it has in the case of Sarah Palin.

The attacks and the approach keeps changing, and yet the American people continue to ignore the spin and move toward McCain and Palin, much to your dismay.

I shouldn't be telling you this, since some of you may figure it out and realize that attacking Palin is a losing strategy for the Obama campaign. But go ahead, be my guest, it's working, but not the way you intend it to work.

Posted by: Alan | September 10, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Palin speech is attracting the 8th grade level PUMA extremist.

Posted by: 8 grade women | September 11, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

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