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McCain's Poll Vault

In July, I was on a panel at the Aspen Ideas Festival on the media and the 2008 presidential campaign. There was a bit of happy talk about Sen. Barack Obama and the campaign he'd run thus far, which rankled a few folks under the tent at the Aspen Meadows Resort. One asked if there was anything nice any of us could say about the Republican nominee for president. I leaned over to the moderator and said, "I'll take that one."

For those of you thirsty for some good news about John McCain, I said, here you go. Citing a May Washington Post-ABC News poll, I pointed out that 82 percent of respondents felt the nation was going in the wrong direction. I noted that the conventional wisdom among Democrats and Republicans alike, both inside and outside the Washington Beltway, was that the Democrats would expand their majorities in the House and the Senate. And I said that voters overwhelmingly favored Democrats over the GOP when asked who they trusted to address the war in Iraq, the economy and a whole host of other issues. Then came the good news for McCain: despite this tidal wave of bad news for Republicans, he was in a statistical dead-heat with Obama. I warned the Obama supporters to pay attention to this, especially since the senator from Illinois lost nine of the final 14 contests, including Pennsylvania, Ohio and Indiana, and was having a hard time winning over supporters of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Two months later, the situation is a tad more dire.

Three polls out today spell trouble for Team Obama. While a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll has Obama and McCain tied at 48 percent, a USA Today/Gallup survey has McCain besting Obama 50-46 among registered voters. And a Washington Post/ABC News poll shows McCain leading among white women, 53-41.

This could be the traditional convention bounce for McCain. After all, these polls were done over the weekend, just after the Republican convention disbanded in St. Paul. Or it could be that McCain's pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate was the spark that the conservative base of the party, and white women, needed to finally show McCain some love. Or these numbers could represent growing resistance to Obama. Whatever the reason, Obama better figure out a way to turn those ugly numbers around lest he be the losing Democrat in a year of expected gains.

By Jonathan Capehart  | September 8, 2008; 5:09 PM ET
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Shoulda picked Hillary.....

Posted by: Me | September 8, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama is el-toastito.

Posted by: El Nino | September 8, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

It is also the deep anti-media, anti-WaPo, anti-NY Times, anti-slugs of the media sentiment. My vote is a vote against the pro-Obama media that has resorted to censorship, propaganda, bias and partisanship to further Obama's chance to be president. It is hysterical to read stories about vetting -- the MSM has made a mockery of looking into someone's background. Instead, it has every story framed as "if you aren't for Obama, you are racist". People are angry and resentful. Obama has too often resorted to the victim card, with the media stacking the deal. Enough. We are allowed to vote for whom we want. We aren't racist if we don't support the most liberal member of the senate who sneered at a women governor as "a small town mayor". Beware the anti-media voter.

Posted by: karen | September 8, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

What happened to the undecided voters? If it's 50-46 or 48-48 it means we're down to only 4% undecided? Seems like a small number considering it was anywhere from 13%-20% in polls just a few days ago. Either minds were made up over the weekend or something is not right here.

Posted by: SoccerDr. | September 8, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I did not expect to see a black man or woman get this far in a Presidental contest.

We have come a long way but a lot of people still will not vote for a black man or a woman.

We still live in a racist and sexist country all you have to do is ask someone what they think about the economy, Iraq war, abortion, etc. and they will give answers which mean they should support Obama but when you ask them who they are voting they haven't made up their mind or they don't know. Their answers are a dead giveaway that they don't want to vote for a black man.

Posted by: USA | September 8, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Why to people call us names and poke us with sharp sticks?

Posted by: The Angry Gay Left | September 8, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

And you couldn't be happier, Jonathen!

Posted by: Dawn | September 8, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I think the downward slide began when Obama didn't get any bounce at all from the DNC because the Palin annoucement diverted attention from the DNC and cancelled out any bounce that may have resulted. Obama only had the moning news programs talking about the DNC and his speech. After that, it was all Palin. Then started the comparision of Palin's executive and leadership experience to Obama's and some people probably realized that Obama has no demonstrated executive and leadership experience. Also, by McCain picking Palin, it shows that he is more inclined to provide the change that people may be looking for and not Obama. Obama picked Biden and people are thinking "What change does Biden represent? He hasn't changed anything in his time in the Senate."

Posted by: Alan | September 8, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

The polls reflect the reality that the Republican Party is the party of white people. McCain holds majorities of white men and now, white women. This fact is not surprising, given that the Republican Party has played on racial and cultural fears of whites since Nixon's "southern strategy" won him election in 1968. This election is no different.

Posted by: detroitred | September 8, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

The same Christian lunatics who want to bring about the end times with my tax dollars are "energized." Ironically, their rabbit-like reproduction, disdain for environmental thinking and penchant for borrow and spend economics will indeed bring about the end times, just not the version that has them flying away to Jesus.

Posted by: Texican | September 8, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Of course McCain got a bounce from Sarah Palin., McCain needs to let the Media Get access to his VP candidate. Im sure once America gets to know her. We will see an even bigger bounce. McCain needs to stop, Thats lame to hide your VP candidate away from the Media. The Only Place you can find Info about Palin is on the Web, Here is some sites Ive been able to find.

Has anyone else read this story about a possible Affair Sarah Palin had? That is just one of the Scandals listed at this site. http://www.hotpres.com

This site has the inside scoop about the Palin Dui Secret, http://www.duihelpguide.com Why hasnt the news covered this?

This site has background info on sarah Palin Bio, Pics, Videos, Alot of Polls like how many people actually think that she is attractive? http://www.theveep.com

Despite all of this, and her lack of experiance she would probably make a much better president then McCain., Because like Obama she hasnt been corrupted by washington yet. We should probably reverse the ticket Palin/McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Viva McCain!!! ... a little pain with McCain is better than the drama with Obama!
McCain '08
Hillary Clinton 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Francisco Cardenas | September 8, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Hit McCain hard, Obama.

Cross that stage in the first debate, look down the foot or so it takes to see the little old man, and stare him down until he folds.

Make him take a step backward.

Intimidate him.


Hey, isn't McCain the guy who played George Costanza's dad on Seinfeld?

Yeah, I think he was.

McCain looks like Wilbur. That's SOME PIG.

Posted by: The Slobian | September 8, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

White women prefer white men 3 to 1 according to a Playboy poll. A poll conducted by Ebony magazine finds that Black men prefer white women 2 to 1. With white women in demand, sales of porn sites has grown dramatically producing a bright spot in the economic stimulus package. An ion battery is recommended because it is long lasting, like Cialis. Poll results lasting longer that 3 days, require a mental health consultation.

Posted by: Richard | September 8, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how poeple will vote against their own interest. McCain/Palin is 4 more years of Bush/Cheney. I can't believe the American voter is that dumb.

Posted by: Chuck | September 8, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

65 to 70% of the electorate are willing to believe the propaganda of the Republicans and the lies about Obama and their lies about themselves without looking further than the ridiculous ads of the "honorable" John McCain. The fact that such ads are run indicates they work. And they work because of the caliber of this large group. Add to that the race of Obama, his waffling on earlier issues, like the telecommunication immunity and off-shore drilling, and lately on the bilious Bill O'Reilly broadcast, and finally, coupled with his failure to pick the one person who could have trumped all this ridiculous media whirlwind about Palin, who is even less qualified than Dan Quayle was which was until now, thought to be the lowest bar around, and you have the makings of another four years of George Bush.

Posted by: Philip Pruett | September 8, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

so the bad news for McCain is that everyone who is paying attention knows that his ideas are terrible.
the good news for McCain is that many voters aren't part of the "reality based" community. For these folks, facts are whatever they need them to be. You will notice that the republicans aren't mentioning McCain's flip-floping on many issues that he said he believed in. If you remember these same folks declared Kerry unfit to be president for this same reason.
This goes to show that flip-floping was never the real issue, just a tactical talking point. The gop becomes more Orwellian with each passing hour.

Posted by: mike | September 8, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Enjoy it while it lasts, Republicans. He's still old and she's still crazy.

Posted by: Onion Volcano | September 8, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

I thought I was a little wimpy looking guy. McCain waddles.

So, what will be the latest fashion after McCain takes office? Remember Nancy Reagan's dresses that went to the ankle, the wrist, and the top of the neck. Retro-Puritan.


McCain's wife makes Martha Stewart look like a swimsuit model.


Talk about old and shriveled: policy, style, everything.


The other day I kicked a toad. It frightened me because I thought, afterward, that I had accidentally kicked McCain. Scared me. When I realized it was just a toad I was relieved.

Posted by: Dubya | September 8, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

karen, Obama has only resorted to the "issues" card. The issues that we should be discussing. Its funny, when MSM makes these comments, you liars ALWAYS attribute whatever statements are made to Senator Obama.
If you don't want to vote for him don't, no one is calling you anything. Careful, sounds like you have some guilt trying to seep out of those cracks.

And lastly, Sentator Obama did not "sneer" at your Alaskan Caribou Queen. He was asked a question and he answered it. I'm sorry if you don't like the FACT that she WAS mayor of a small town with only 7,000 people. That is what you call a 'small town mayor', deal with it. She shouldn't try to boost her credentials on that FACT.

Your republican hypocrisy is astounding.

Posted by: Madame | September 8, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Chuck wrote "McCain/Palin is 4 more years of Bush/Cheney. I can't believe the American voter is that dumb."
.......... McCain is NOT Bush ... and only obamacons think he is ... the only American votes that are dumb are those who believe that Obama went to an anti-white, anti-American church for 20+ years but heard nothing!!!!!!!!!
McCain loves America ... always has, always will!
McCain '08
Hillary Clinton 2012!

Posted by: Francisco Cardenas | September 8, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Picture it, Trinity Church 2006. Michelle Shiniqua Obama is speaking from the pulpit. Her prominent nostrils are flared, brow furrowed, and a scowl across her face. With all the inner-ghetto she can muster, Michelle Shaniqua is ranting against "whitey" and how they keep "raising the bar". All the while punching the air with a fist-bump. This my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

I suspect the tenor and tone of her speech will sound a little something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLj60GCBap0

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 8, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Come back to me with the poll results no earlier than one week before the election. As the now Israeli President Shimon Perez used to say (and he was more often than not ahead in the polls but often fell short on election day), polls are like a nice a perfume...they are great to smell, but should never be swallowed.

Posted by: Max Mergatroid | September 8, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Ok "Republicans"-- if that's what we still want to call ourselves-- let me get this right:
We're rejecting the Obamas and Bidens, who clearly represent the American ideal families, and embracing the McCain/Palin family model?
Both Barack and Michelle Obama overcame obstacles to gain a Harvard education so that they can provide for their family. The Obamas share a love for community and working to help others. They clearly love each other and their beautiful daughters. Joe Biden's family stood strong and came together after the tragic death of his first wife. Biden took a train from DC to Delaware every night to be with his family through the crisis. Although this took a toll on his career, Joe Biden knew this was the right thing to do because, in America, family always comes before politics.
Now contrast the classy Obama and Biden families with the adulterous and flamboyant John McCain who, as the son of a successful military leader, received every break possible in life. Unfortunately, he could not leverage his many advantages into scholastic success as he ended up in the bottom 5 of his class at Navy. He cheated on his first wife, many times, after she became disfigured in an accident. He robbed the cradle by cheating on her with his current wife: the wealthy model Cindy McCain who is heiress to an alcohol distribution empire. She stole from her own charity to support a prescription drug addiction. John and Cindy McCain own so many homes, they lost count. That is a solid example of an 'Elitist Family.'
As for the Palin clan, we know very little, but what we know so far is alarming. Her's is a family that preaches the social practices of the religious far-right, yet this has resulted in an underage and unwed pregnant daughter. Mr. Palin has a DUI on his resume and Sarah Palin clearly puts career ahead of family as she leaves behind her special needs baby and pregnant teen for the campaign trail.
So when we put that McCain sign in our lawn, I hope we realize we're telling America that the GOP supports a playboy lifestyle and the dismissal of sacred wedding vows. And when we chant "Sarah! Sarah!", we are screaming aloud that the Republican party embraces underage unprotected unmarried sex, drug and alcohol abuse, destruction of the environment, and politics before family. Are you sure we want to declare that the shameful family histories of John McCain and Sarah Palin represent the family values that us "Republicans" cherish?
I know we tend to vote for the person with a large R beside their name, regardless of their age, gender, or policy. Just know this: by supporting John McCain, we are supporting a man who has made every effort to distance himself from the traditional Republican party. This is a man who used his acceptance speech as an admission of guilt, confessing that the Republicans are responsible for the many recent American failures. McCain, on behalf of the Republican party, accepted blame for 8 years of war, lies, cronism, corruption, incompetence, economic failure, debt, inflation, unemployment, and giving to the rich while taking from the poor, (you'll have to show me where that's what Jesus taught us in the Bible). John McCain voted against tax cuts. He voted to give illegal immigrants social security. He voted, numerous times, against military funding and benefits for veterans He spoke out AGAINST off shore drilling. McCain colluded to sell out the most conservative of the Bush nominees to the courts and voted to confirm ACLU liberal and pro-abortion Ruth Bader Ginsburg. The Gun Owners of America give McCain a grade of F-.
And now, McCain/Palin have a campaign slogan of "CHANGE". Well, if authentic Republicans are currently in control of the White House, and McCain/Palin are promising "change", anyone can figure out that a McCain/Palin administration will certainly redefine the Republican platform. So on November 4th, us "Republicans" better remember to think about how our vote will impact our beloved party... we'll have to live with it for at least 4 years, and probably many many more.

Posted by: Open letter to fellow Republicans | September 8, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I watched McCain's speech. It took him about an hour to cross the stage.

You call that walking?


I call that shuffling.

People wonder if he can live long enough to fulfill his term?


I'm placing bets he won't last the campaign. I hope he does, but he looks horrible.


Shoot, it's after 6pm eastern time. There's no way he'll read this. He's sound asleep.

Someone please remember to change the bedpan.

Posted by: Jimmy Crakorn | September 8, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

"Hit McCain hard, Obama.

Cross that stage in the first debate, look down the foot or so it takes to see the little old man, and stare him down until he folds.

Make him take a step backward.

Intimidate him."

Gore tried to do this to Bush in one of their debates. Bush kind of chuckled and it made Gore look really stupid. Go ahead Obama, make McCain's day.

Posted by: Riverman | September 8, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

This obsession with Sarah Palin reminds me of a current events discussion which I recently attended at my local library. Of course, Hillary was brought up. Two senior women got into a bit of a heated discussion. One for Hillary. The other not for Hillary. The senior for Hillary said she "just loved Hillary" The senior not for Hillary asked her what she liked about her and asked her to give her just one example of what Hillary has done. The senior for Hillary said she recently saw Hillary in person but from a distance, and did not get a chance to speak to her and that she just liked her. The against Hillary senior who seemed to be interested in politics more pressed her on what she thought was one of her accomplishments. The woman for Hillary said, "Many things. I just won't go into it." I could see that this woman hadn't the slightest idea of Hillary's accomplishments. The woman just liked her because there was just something about her. Now that Sarah Palin is on the scene I see this same story being played out. People who are in love with Sarash but don't have a clue as to why. There isn't much information on her. Maybe Sarah is pretty, maybe she is interested in sports or the PTA, or that she stands by her pregnant daughter. But who is Sarah Palin and what does she stand for?
Even John McCain seems like he's in love. Throwing up his arms in excitement, smiling from ear to ear. New life has been breathed into him suddenly. All of a sudden Palin is the celebrity of the day. What does America and our politicians know of her. Has she spent much time in Washington. There are a lot of politicians who never heard of her even though she is the governor of alaska. This is going to be a historical election but what in the hell do the voters know about the real issues and where this new celebrity stands because John McCain doesn't want us to know. He has picked the time when she will appear before us after having been prepped to let us know where she is on the issues. It's very scary to realize that these same voters who don't have a clue and just don't get it have the power to put a president and vice president in charge of this country at a time when we are in such a bad state of affairs internally and abroad based on "oh I just like him or her." And the polls are wrong because many of us are decided. We are just waiting for November when we will cast our vote. Obama and Biden just seem to know best what needs to be done for this country.Please no more of this silliness. Get serious America! This is your future and your children's future. Show that you have the informed intelligence to make the right vote.

Posted by: carol,ny | September 8, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

What a grand day! McCain/Palin are doing great, momentum is still going strong and it's nice to see women (at least white women) supporting this ticket. Take that, you dried up old harpies at NOW! You turned into the biggest sexists in this race.

And to top it off, we have the Mathews/Olbermann "reassignments".

*grinning happily* Yep, great day.

Posted by: Loving it! | September 8, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I find it interesting that many commentators focus on "undecideds" as though it's between McCain or Obama, when another huge block -- 20% perhaps? -- are those Dems or Hillary supporters who can't support Obama under any circumstances, and are choosing between McCain, or not voting at all this year!

Posted by: Sitting It Out vs. McCain | September 8, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Once The Palin Family affairs, all of his and hers are found out, out the window theys will both go. Read what the people in Alaska really have to say about the "perfect couple".

Posted by: mzbond | September 8, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

The other day I kicked a toad. It frightened me because I thought, afterward, that I had accidentally kicked McCain. Scared me. When I realized it was just a toad I was relieved.
Posted by: Dubya | September 8, 2008 6:14 PM
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How dare you kick a toad? I will call the Animal Cops now. Where is PETA?

Posted by: discerner | September 8, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

And one more thing: Barrack Obama & Joe Biden will be sober in the morning...John McCain will still be 72 and Sarah Palin a dangerous extremist/hypocrite.

Posted by: Max Mergatroid | September 8, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Wish we had statistics on the youth vote - my wife and I and nearly everybody else I know who is going to vote for Obama doesn't have a land line and the pollsters don't call cell phones.

Good thing McCain got his October surprise out of the way early..

Posted by: zackool | September 8, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

P.T. Barnum (I think) said "No one ever went broke by understimating the stupidity of the American people". The GOP takes that to heart--and have run up an impressive win of elections (and power) over the last 20 years. How else do you explain certainly the last 8 years of Bush and company, as well as the likelihood McCain will win this year. Someone way smarter than I said, in a democracy, the people get the government they deserve. Enough said.

Posted by: map529 | September 8, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Everybody agrees the country is going in the wrong direction, but they're going to vote for another Republican. Sounds like the definition of insanity -- doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results. Too bad for the good old USA.

Posted by: Dave | September 8, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

the amount of disrespectful, off-topic garbage strewn about by some of you is not particularly helpful to your candidates-

Posted by: sue | September 8, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Hurrah! As Reagan said, "It is Morning in America again..." Yes indeed, Gipper, it is! McCain and Palin have energized The Base. Everyone knows (or should know) that once The Base is energized, it is 'game over'. I like McCain; and I like Palin. I like what they stand for, what they've done with their lives, and what they will do for the nation.
Obama...not so much. Kinda scary. Kinda elusive. Kinda fake. Sorry, that's just my gut feeling about the guy...but my gut never lies.
Icing on the Proverbial Cake: Olbermann and Matthews put back onto their leashes! Hurrah! Huzzah! Oh happy day! Morning in America...again!

Posted by: Morning in America | September 8, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

If you're stupid and like to be lied to about things that are easily disproven vote for WcCain.

They want voters who are too dumb and lazy to check the facts.

Did you know that Palin didn't sell that plane on ebay. In fact, when she pulled the plane from ebay and sold it via a conventional broker, the state lost money on the deal. In fact, the guy who bought it is asking for $50k back because of mechanical issues.

So much for ACTUALLY selling it on ebay for a profit.

But why let facts get in the way? The GOP base is a bunch of ignorant morons so what does it matter?

Posted by: GOP= Party for the Ignorant | September 8, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

"the pollsters don't call cell phones."

Why do people believe this and spread this around? Sigh.

Yes, they call cell phones. Look at gallup.com, they give their methodology, which includes cell phones. Zogby even uses an internet-based methodology.

Pollsters are not a bunch of luddites. Just because you don't like the poll results does not make them any less valid.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

It is way too early to celebrate / grieve for either side. If Palin is in the clear on all of the 'stuff' hanging over her in Alaska and starts to sound like she knows what she's talking about in one month, it's a race, and Obama will win the electoral votes-squeak by in the popular votes. If any of the questions about her become negative facts, one-third of the country will still vote to self-destruct (McCain) but the other two-thirds will put Obama in office. If for some reason McCain makes it to the White House, he and Palin can have grandfather-granddaughter like conversations for four years as the Democratic Congress will pretty much shut down the Presidency.

Posted by: Arnold | September 8, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama is paying dearly for a media with a blatant liberal bias. The last 10 days has pulled the mask off of the media and shown them for what they are. And that has not set well with voters. Now many are left with the clear recognition that a baised media has not applied the same standards of "vetting" to Obama. This, with the sexist attacks by both the media and Democrat leaders has resulted in a voter revolt. It has certainly changed my mind.

Posted by: dbc | September 8, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

"Wish we had statistics on the youth vote - my wife and I and nearly everybody else I know who is going to vote for Obama doesn't have a land line and the pollsters don't call cell phones.

Good thing McCain got his October surprise out of the way early.."
This IS a valid point. Having been in the market research business for years I know that the few calls reaching cell phone users are not representative of any particular geo-political group. In effect, cell phone users as a group are under-represented in these polls and the numbers are weighted to compensate. Not the best way to project data. A sidebar, Gallup once reported that 90% of Americans believe in God. Their credibility has suffered since.

Posted by: Rob | September 8, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I tried to tell people that the young people voting for Obama with their maxed out credit cards,cars not paid for and houses they owe more on than they are worth was not the kind of people I wanted choosing whom I would vote for but as usual they didn't listen. The democrats have figured a way to loose another election in a year they were supposed to win by a landslide.Hillary would have buried McCain even with his little flip from Alaska.I left the democrats before they nominated Obama but I'll never vote for a senile Old Man like McCain.May have to sit this one out. what a sorry choice from both parties the only bright spot may be Joe Biden.

Posted by: clyde | September 8, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Think I'll just go and register more cell-phone-using new voters that won't get phoned by the pollsters.

Hey, how's that massive bailout thing working for you "fiscal conservatives"?

Did McCain/Bush bail out McCain's son yet?

Posted by: Will in Seattle | September 8, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Having been a registered Republican since I could vote at 18yrs old, I changed my party affiliation this year for the first time in my voting life.

I did this to vote for Hillary on the Democratic primary ticket.

May have even voted for Obama, if he had chosen Hillary as his VP, but he didn't and I won't.

I requested, signed and mailed in my voters paperwork to switch back to Republican.

McCain/Palin will be getting my Vote come November.

If Hillary runs in 2012, she will get my Vote then.

I am a 40yr old white woman in Florida. I
am a Nurse and many of my co-workers agree with me.

Posted by: Was Hillary now Palin! | September 8, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

My cynicism says that we are a nation of under educated racists.
It will take 4-16 more years of dragging our beloved country through the gutter by inept neo-cons and right wing extremists before the working class swing state voters will "get it". It will have to get very bad for America indeed. 4-8 years of McCain...4-8 years of Palin.
Of the two parties, democrats will be more seriously demoralized by a loss than the republicans. I don't know what will become of the party after this November loss. It might fracture. The GOP will go on painting themselves as the marginalized minority fighting against the established liberal majority. We will suffer greatly as a nation.
SIGH...

Posted by: paul | September 8, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

From:
Head of State
http://tinyurl.com/5mbefu

Sunday, September 07, 2008

"Actual Responsibilities": If You Can't Manage a Hockey Rink, Can You Manage Economic Policy and National Security?

From the Wall Street Journal:

Palin's Hockey Rink Leads
To Legal Trouble in Town She Led >
By MICHAEL M. PHILLIPS
September 6, 2008; Page A5

WASILLA, Alaska -- The biggest project that Sarah Palin undertook as mayor of this small town was an indoor sports complex, where locals played hockey, soccer, and basketball, especially during the long, dark Alaskan winters.

The only catch was that the city began building roads and installing utilities for the project before it had unchallenged title to the land. The misstep led to years of litigation and at least $1.3 million in extra costs for a small municipality with a small budget. What was to be Ms. Palin's legacy has turned into a financial mess that continues to plague Wasilla.

"It's too bad that the city of Wasilla didn't do their homework and secure the land before they began construction," said Kathy Wells, a longtime activist here. "She was not your ceremonial mayor; she was in charge of running the city. So it was her job to make sure things were done correctly."

Ms. Palin, now Alaska's governor and Republican Sen. John McCain's running mate, has pointed to her two terms as Wasilla's mayor, from 1996 to 2002, as evidence that she has enough executive experience to take on the presidency, should the need arise -- more than Democratic Sen. Barack Obama, who touts his own background as a community organizer in Chicago.

"I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities," Ms. Palin said Wednesday in her acceptance speech at the Republican convention.

Litigation resulting from the dispute over Ms. Palin's sports-complex project is still in the courts, with the land's former owner seeking hundreds of thousands of additional dollars from the city.

Palin likes to say "Good judgment can make the difference between avoiding a crisis and managing a catastrophe."

Indeed.

Cite:
Head of State
http://tinyurl.com/5mbefu

Posted by: cara prado | September 8, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and Bill told you so.

Posted by: thinkwithyourbrain | September 8, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

The "Republican Party", which has been high-jacked and no longer stands for small government & fiscal spending, stirs the emotions of people who no nothing of what the the important issues are or what's important in an election. I like to think of them as "Passionately Ignorant". Palin has sent roaring back the anger and divisiveness that the Bush administration created and has separated this country for nothing (this was McCain's plan). None of their supporters even know how many amendments have been made to the Constitution, yet they've managed to destroy our country and want to continue doing it. I feel pity and I'm saddened by this. We are a country of ignorant fools.

Posted by: Bacon | September 8, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

The Dems need to stop choosing the candidate who makes them feel warm and fuzzy about themselves. Obama paints a pretty picture but at the end of all the stirring rhetoric you still have a candidate whose positions on the issues are too extreme for most voters and who is in no way ready or qualified for the job.

Posted by: Bruce | September 8, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

maybe obama should give another "historic" speech

Posted by: Jane | September 8, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

he's done, put a fork in'im

Posted by: Mary | September 8, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

"detroitred" the problem is that people (especially white people) who for years tried to adhere to MLK's Content of Chararcter vs Color of Skin are truly SICK of being told that we are not allowed to judge Character, Issues, or the normal Resume/Interview criteria and we HAVE to vote for an unqualified, marxists, liar who happens to be part black or WE ARE THE RACISTS?? while 90% of blacks will vote FOR him despite WANTING vouchers, Wanting lower taxes, claiming to be Christian yet supporting the candidate/party who applauds the MURDER of millions of dark skinned babies because he is partly black - even though he is from the party that fought civil rights and still tries to enslave people by making them beholden to them/govt elitists.

"usa at 5:53" you have that TOTALLY backwards MLK sr. was a LIFELONG Republican and MLK's platform was Republican based. Repulicans have always been the party that supports the freedom of all.

AND BTW - Democrap party is the party of criminals - During the last Pres. election after being beaten for ASKING why the ballot was misleading - I was jailed for voting!! - In three days, I discovered that every other person there - jailed for assualt, murder, extortion, theft, robbery, and drugs.. and to the person they claimed to hate Pres Bush and love Democrats... I bet you Democraps are SOOO proud.

Posted by: ask | September 8, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

National polls are worthless at this point in the race. The electorial college will (as always) determine our next president, McSame and the rest of the neo-con fascists are still way behind in the electorial count. This election will not be close. Its simply the corperate media inventing their own naratives, as usual.

Posted by: sprts | September 8, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Where do you folks get this liberal media bias crap from. The only time McCain started complaining about the media is when they turned attention to him and started asking some serious questions, then all of a sudden it's liberal media bias. Campbell Brown on CNN asked a simple question to give an example of one national security directive Palin gave to the Alaskan National Guard. The McCain campaign person could not answer that question. McCain decides to pick up his marbles and go home by refusing to appear on Larry King or any other CNN program. Have we become so dummied-down that simple questions are now off limits? What is a liberal? I always considered myself an independent. If the only definition of a liberal is someone who is not a republican - I guess I'm a liberal. People get a grip. I thought this was America where we could question our government. This not being open to the press unless the particular press is willing to promote your party's propaganda is unamerican. What happened to us?

Posted by: Kim | September 8, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

To: Karen
If it's not racism, can you explain to be why you hate Obama so much? I saw both conventions, and Obama never made any person attacks, either on McCain or on any of his supporters. The Republican convention, though, was a poisonous hate-fest where Palin and McCain spewed insults and contempt at Obama and his supporters. I felt that Republicans do not consider Obama supporters fellow citizens to be debated with, but as enemies to be annihilated. The Republicans have positioned themselves as the party of hatred and resentment -- even though their "base" is the wealthiest sector of the US population -- and it's terrifying that it seems to be working.

Posted by: Mirabhai | September 8, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin '08

Hillary Clinton 2012!!!

What a fool Obama is..he would have been
a shoe in if he had chosen Hillary VP, instead of entrenched Biden.

Posted by: Nobama | September 8, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Homo!!

Posted by: The Angry Gay Left | September 8, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

BTW - you slimy PUMA chicks, Hillary has moved on - why don't you. You remind me of the Glen Close character in the movie "Fatal Attraction." If you want to cut off your nose to spite your face, that is your perogative. May I suggest you MOVE ON for petes sake! There are other really talented and subtantive women out there and Hillary not only cracked the ceiling but broke the door down for a lot of them who are using their heads right now.

Posted by: Kim | September 8, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Didn't hear me???

I'm a HOMO!!!!!!

Posted by: The Angry Gay Left | September 8, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

For those of you Obamunists casting aspersions on Sarah Palin's rearing of her daughter and the fact that she is 17, unwed and pregnant, consider this: Obama is the son of a mother who was 17 and unmarried when he was conceived. she did marry the father, a poligamsit, who very quickly left her for his other wives.
Watch where you throw your stones folks.

Posted by: BabyDaddy | September 8, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

BabayDaddy - Obama is not the one touting that holier than thou righteousness now is he?

Posted by: Kim | September 8, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

--"I did not expect to see a black man or woman get this far in a Presidental contest.

We have come a long way but a lot of people still will not vote for a black man or a woman.
Posted by: USA | September 8, 2008 5:53 PM"--

Ditto. If there's any doubters I'd refer you to Dana Milbank's sketch during he made during the Democratic convention.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/roughsketch/2008/08/live_from_colo_its_al-jazeera.html

Trouble is - just like getting to the bottom on the Palin supporters - if you ask people about it they'll give you some smoke-screen answer. (Lie).

Example: Palin has three attributes that she brings to the ticket. (1) She's a she, (2) Pro-Life (3) Republican. Whatever else she's got - other people have it more and better than her. But her supporters choose every reason but those three when asked about it. Given that she's given one 36 minute speech - some of the excuses are pretty vacuous - but since it's only the smoke screen - it doesn't really matter does it?

Obama has three books to his credit, plus all the other public policy stuff he's done. Like: while she was reading sports news on the podunk Alaska television, he was president of the Harvard Law Review.

Posted by: NoOneImportant | September 8, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Holy cow - What the hell is wrong with the people in this country?

For once we have a candidate actually worthy of the office, a harvard graduate with public service at his core, one above partisan mudslinging and what do we do?

Ahh..stuff it..Go ahead America elect the old man and run the country down...
I'm gonna vote for Obama anyway so that when you all complain in 2-3 years time I can give you a "I told you" so that might actually knock some sense into you.

That might actually cheer me up for a few minutes while I'm looking for a job, struggling to pay health insurance, and watching more of our soldiers die probably in a war against Iran.

Posted by: bob H | September 8, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse


People hate the congress even more than they hate Bush. Polls agree on this; it's not even close.

The Democrats hold majorities in both houses.

Yet Barack (change you can believe in) Obama chooses Biden.

And so the Democrats have an all-congress ticket with a combined 39 years in the Senate (and scant other experience) at a time when voters hate congress.

Brilliant.

Posted by: WylieD | September 8, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Ask - I submit to you 100% of those black people who voted in past elections voted for the white person on the ticket.

Posted by: Kim | September 8, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Incredibly, the republicans continue to convince large numbers of people to vote against their own best interests, mainly through distraction and fear. By doing this, they are systematically destroying any ability the people may have to stop them. At some point there will be no way for the people to regain control of their government. This has been going on for over fifty years.
Check out www.naomiklein.org.

Posted by: Charles | September 8, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what a "hockey mm" is,but I know it doesn't mean that Mrs Palin's spouse got into university on an AA-SAT preference, keeping a better kid out!! I think it means that her grand-child was not conceived as a Welfare Check and will certainly not be a burden on the US tax payer, either on Welfare or, later, in the penal system. These things are not true of many of Hussein Obama's voters.

Posted by: Reggie von Zugbach | September 8, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Oprah, you just lost another loyal fan for not having VP Palin on your show til after the elections.

Wouldn't it have been great for you to interview Palin so we could get a clear grasp on the republican VP, for those of us who are undecided.

I never knew til now what a racist Oprah is!

BOYCOTT OPRAH!

Posted by: X loyal Oprah fan | September 8, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

"Was Hillary now Palin!" posted by a 40yr old woman.

Really this makes me think that women shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Hillary and Palin are polar opposites in terms of policy, views on every issue that will affect you and your family in the next 4-8 years, experience - everything.

Yet you chose to change your vote from one to the other because they are both women.

Why don't we just forget about the election process, debates etc and just have a fashion show and cook off.

Posted by: sigh | September 8, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Bush vetoes everything the narrow majority of Democrats in congress pass, and the Democrats get blamed. The Republicans are lucky their constituents know more about American Idol and Limbaugh half-truths than they do about how their government actually works.

Posted by: Charles | September 8, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Riggie Von Zugbach - when the automatic assumption is a black person attends college at the expense of a "better qualified" white person, then that tells me perhaps those checks and balances should be in place. Also, more non blacks utilize the welfare systems - check the stats, but that's our dirty little secret isn't it?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

>> Whatever the reason, Obama better figure out a way to turn those ugly numbers around lest he be the losing Democrat in a year of expected gains.


I see the panic has started among the true believers. In a year when they should be ahead 20 points in the polls, one of the poll is now showing they are 10 points behind?

Sad. This could go down as the biggest squandered opportunity in a generation.

Posted by: tom007 | September 8, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I will defend MY MUSLIM FAITH . ..
Oh thanks George.. I AM NOT A MUSLIM- not that there is anything wrong with that.

So do I think you should vote for me - PRESENT!!!

Posted by: Obama | September 8, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

FREE money. That's why everyone is excited.

Who would believe the republicans would bring in the first true communist subversive to our government. The left should give this woman a chance.

Last year, 2007, Alaska's legislature approved a major tax increase on those windfall profits of the oil industry. The state of Alaska has received more than $10 billion this year from oil revenue.

Thanks to the addition of these new taxes, Alaska's governor Sarah Palin now gives $1,200 to every single Alaskan to help them pay for gas. In addition, each resident will receive an annual dividend of $2,000 from an oil-wealth savings account. Think what a family of 7 could do with that money (Gov. Palin has 7 members in her family).

That's a fancy way of describing wealth redistribution, i.e., downright communism. And that is real change we can believe in. Will she do the same for the Lower 48 states?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

Congrads secession party just 6 months ago. 7 year membership as subversive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PizrJLV30yI&feature=related

God will punish America – her pastor knows America is evil just listen


Well, in my state I want to know why Arnold Schwarzenegger hasn't got those big fact checks from the oil companies for every citizen of California. What's wrong with him? Common Arnie, get us on that gravy train, too.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 8, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

"ask", Baby is not some who has not been born yet, definitely not a unviable embryo. I should not be surprised that you can not differentiate that.

Talking about criminals: you can do a search and find that Christians over-represent the jailed population in percentage. Does that mean all Christains are criminals? No. Stop generalizing, but I am not surprised at your generalization.

Another one: Why do fiscal conservatives(I am one, but I do not vote) vote for a person who favored spending billions of tax-payers $ for building a country I do not even care about and most can not even locate on map?

Posted by: Patrick | September 8, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

And to think some of these people are walking around with normal folks!

Posted by: Kim | September 8, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

President Palin? A voter for McCain-Palin must accept that there is well over a 12% medical likelihood Palin will become President or acting President within the next four years. It is more likely 20 to 25% likely, given the number of vice-Presidents who have become President, and McCain's age. Do people seriously think she has the training and experience, let alone the skills, to be President??

For a patient with a prior melanoma that had already previously spread through the lymphatic system like Mr. McCain’s there is still an ongoing chance of recurrence, which is still over a 2% risk per year, with secondary melanoma sometimes appearing in the brain, lungs or elsewhere. Add the risk of death from other causes such as cardiovascular disease (2% risk of myocardial infarction or cardiac death per year at his age with raised cholesterol history) and risk of stroke or other malignancies, and other medical conditions, and you have at least a 3% yearly risk of death, with a considerably higher risk of significant morbidity, debility and ill-health. Add the risk of assassination, which is considerable, and possibly about 9%. Add the risk of worsening mental function in a man in his seventies. Is it worth the risk voting for McCain-Palin??

Republican supporters must think of Palin as President before voting. She is an unknown cannon. Do Americans want her hand on the trigger of global politics and running the world's biggest economy?

So picture McCain incapacitated, maybe with secondary melanoma in his brain, now swollen after radiotherapy, confused and septic from infection after immune-suppressing chemotherapy, followed by a heart attack, breathless on oxygen in hospital. Another major world political crisis looms. The world turns to America. Who is in charge? Palin, an inexperienced Hicksville politician with no foreign affairs knowledge, no world economic credentials, and a red-neck, narrow view of the world. You must be joking. A President Palin who went through no major nomination process and vetting by the party or the public, and gets handed the Presidency of the United States on a plate! Lucky girl, unlucky country and world.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

President Palin? A voter for McCain-Palin must accept that there is well over a 12% medical likelihood Palin will become President or acting President within the next four years. It is more likely 20 to 25% likely, given the number of vice-Presidents who have become President, and McCain's age. Do people seriously think she has the training and experience, let alone the skills, to be President??

For a patient with a prior melanoma that had already previously spread through the lymphatic system like Mr. McCain’s there is still an ongoing chance of recurrence, which is still over a 2% risk per year, with secondary melanoma sometimes appearing in the brain, lungs or elsewhere. Add the risk of death from other causes such as cardiovascular disease (2% risk of myocardial infarction or cardiac death per year at his age with raised cholesterol history) and risk of stroke or other malignancies, and other medical conditions, and you have at least a 3% yearly risk of death, with a considerably higher risk of significant morbidity, debility and ill-health. Add the risk of assassination, which is considerable, and possibly about 9%. Add the risk of worsening mental function in a man in his seventies. Is it worth the risk voting for McCain-Palin??

Republican supporters must think of Palin as President before voting. She is an unknown cannon. Do Americans want her hand on the trigger of global politics and running the world's biggest economy?

So picture McCain incapacitated, maybe with secondary melanoma in his brain, now swollen after radiotherapy, confused and septic from infection after immune-suppressing chemotherapy, followed by a heart attack, breathless on oxygen in hospital. Another major world political crisis looms. The world turns to America. Who is in charge? Palin, an inexperienced Hicksville politician with no foreign affairs knowledge, no world economic credentials, and a red-neck, narrow view of the world. You must be joking. A President Palin who went through no major nomination process and vetting by the party or the public, and gets handed the Presidency of the United States on a plate! Lucky girl, unlucky country and world.

Posted by: jim rogers | September 8, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Palin is to egotistic to be a trusted public servant.

Posted by: Charles | September 8, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Dear Anon- You miss the point - Perhaps a low SAT if indeed attempted? Why do you bring up d people of colour? I merely said that many of of Hussein Obama's voters are a "career" drain on the US taxpayer and that many of them got their college places by AA not merit, thus keeping better students out. I do not think I mentioned race, but clearly, your have made the point that this may be a factor in the unfairness of the Welfare and AA systems in the USA. Thank you for this added knowledge.

Mrs Palin's family, on the otherhand, are a perfect example of the best in the USA (I an a foreign observer). They get on with their life and are not beholden to handout. (As I believe is also true of most Americans of colour, of at least the ones I know), but then they vote for the GOP.

Posted by: Reggie von Zugbach | September 8, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Once again, the only numbers that matter are the ones after election day. Polls are meaningless.

Posted by: returntocommonsense | September 8, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

When McCain dropped those bombs, he couldn't afford to worry about the families he incinerated because his mission was all that mattered. Now he's on a mission on behalf of the corporate leadership, and he won't be able to afford to worry about the American families, who will be destroyed and written off as the cost of doing business.

Posted by: Charles | September 8, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse


"A voter for McCain-Palin must accept that there is well over a 12% medical likelihood Palin will become President or acting President within the next four years."

OK. And there's a 100% likelihood that Obama, with three years in the Senate, most of them spent running for the White House, will become president if elected.

So how long will Palin have to serve as VP--sitting in on cabinet meetings, attending national security briefing, etc.--before her experience exceeds that of Obama's?

Four months? Three months? Two months? One?

Posted by: WylieD | September 8, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I find it interesting that many commentators focus on "undecideds" as though it's between McCain or Obama, when another huge block -- 20% perhaps? -- are those Dems or Hillary supporters who can't support Obama under any circumstances, and are choosing between McCain, or not voting at all this year!
Posted by: Sitting It Out vs. McCain | September 8, 2008 6:23 PM
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I'm one of those Democrats who wasn't going to vote for Obama. But Sarah Palin made me change my mind, that and the pandering of McCain, once he chose Palin. I'm sickened by the thought of Palin ending up as POTUS. I can just visualize her sitting across the table from Putin. He'd eat her for breakfast and wouldn't even need a toothpick. How embarrassing she is for this country. McCain has proven he's not thinking about this country at all.

Obama/Biden '08!

Posted by: Lassair | September 8, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I can't express how disgusted I am with the US. I didn't want to believe there was still that much racism out here, but obviously I was wrong. I only hope I can manage to get Canadian citizenship or at least a long term visa, because I don't want to live in fascism, and that clearly is where the US is heading. Fast. Morons like MorninginAmeria who posted above will find that their ignorance, stupidity, and brutality are not appealing outside the US borders. The Indians, for example, have found intelligence and education to be building blocks of a decent society, and have the additional virtue of making them attractive to foreign investors. Americans think their backwardness, bigotry, and cruelty are sexy, but they may find them a hard sell to countries that actually have money.

Posted by: Elizabeth | September 8, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

The crime of picking Sarah Palin is that McCain wants us to vet an unknown person in less time that the country picks an American Idol. They also, with this pick, manage to move people from talking about real issues like the economy, the war, and our children - to the latest "news" about a journalist who refuses to talk to the media. Sarah - Superwoman - allows Republicans to bask in the fantasy that they are not responsible for our nation being involved in torture, for the lax regulations on the mortgage industry, and for our reliance on oil. Wake up, America. I pray to God that tomorrow you wake up and realize we don't have time to talk about Palin this or that - we have to talk about the issues and how we are going to deal with them. Palin is on the same level as American Idol - this is the Republicans' great joke on America. Here, we can get you to vote for somone you don't even know. What would George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and John Adams say about this election? They'd say vote for Obama/Biden

Posted by: Praying for us all | September 8, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Warning:
Continued republican leadership will bring disaster to everyone. The fact that you were on their side won't save you.

Posted by: Charles | September 8, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Serves Nobama right that he is getting trashed in these polls; comeuppance for his theft of the nomination, with the aid of all the media prostitutes, and by trashing HRC using a bunch of race and sex cards

Posted by: intcamd1 | September 8, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

You couldn't get a job at McDonalds and become district manager after 143 days of experience.

You couldn't become chief of surgery after 143 days of experience of being a surgeon.

You couldn't get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143 days of experience.

You couldn't join the military and become a colonel after a 143 days of experience.

You couldn't get a job as a reporter and become the nightly news anchor after 143 days of experience.

But
'From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.

After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be
Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World .... 143 days.

We all have to start somewhere. The Senate is a good start, but after 143 days, that's all it is - a start.

AND, strangely, a large sector of the American public is okay with this and campaigning for him. We wouldn't accept this in our own line of work, yet some are okay with this for the President of the United States of America?

Come on folks, we are not voting for the next American Idol!

Posted by: 143 Days | September 8, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

If Michelle Obama had been a member of a seperatist group you think the right would make this a major issue? You bet thier bigoted butts they would.
A man born into poverty, puts himself through school,graduates top of class from Harvard,becomes a community organizer instead of taking a high paying law position to help the less fortunate,runs for president after the eight years we have just witnessed.Should be a sure thing.Right? Wrong. Big problem. He's black.
Pathetic and Americans will pay dearly for thier narrow mindedness and so will thier children.You get what you desreve. Problem is. Good decent American people will pay for this too.

Posted by: B.Rollens | September 8, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats foolishly nominated the wrong candidate(s). Obama is neither qualified or electable. Let's recap, Hillary won the popular vote, winning MORE votes than ANY candidate of ANY party in history and she's NOT on the ticket???

Hillary should be the nominee. Hillary could win this election in a walk.

This Democrat, this Hillary supporter will vote for McCain in 08 and Hillary 2012.

Country first, party second.

The DNC MUST be held accountable for the rampant sexism, racism, classism, voter disenfranchisement, and subversion of democracy in this 2008 campaign debacle. To vote for Obama is to condone what has been done. Don't do it. The DNC has failed women in 2008. The very women who have been the vast majority voting block of the Democratic party for decades under the illusion that is stood for women rights. They do not. At least the RNC is smart enough to acknowledge Geraldine Ferraro and Hillary Clinton and smart enough to defend and circle the wagons around Sarah Palin. The DNC failed to do that as Hillary was relentlessly attacked 24/7 for a year and half. They must be held accountable. The attacks on Hillary and Sarah are attacks on ALL women. If we don't speak out now, WHEN??

"No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her sex" Susan B. Anthony

visit

realdemocratsusa.org

taking back our party, one neighborhood at a time

Posted by: k | September 8, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

WylieD - you willing to make that gamble?

Thinking folks should read the article "McCain's Convenient Untruth"

By Sebastian Mallaby-WAPO
Monday, September 8, 2008; Page A17

Posted by: Kim | September 8, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Voting republican is like digging your own grave.

Posted by: Charles | September 8, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

BTW - you slimy PUMA chicks, Hillary has moved on - why don't you. You remind me of the Glen Close character in the movie "Fatal Attraction." If you want to cut off your nose to spite your face, that is your perogative. May I suggest you MOVE ON for petes sake! There are other really talented and subtantive women out there and Hillary not only cracked the ceiling but broke the door down for a lot of them who are using their heads right now.

Posted by: Kim | September 8, 2008 7:32 PM
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Hey Kimmyfool, HRC is being blackmailed by the dem party bigwigs, who are solely interested in looking out for their behinds.

HRC supporters are smart enough to see that.

I heard on CNN today that HRC is being sent out to be attack dog to trash Palin. WHy should she? After all the race and sex card usage Nobama did to steal the nomination, HRC needs to be his attack dog.

The VP pick is supposed to be the attack dog, and in 2000 and 2004, Lieb and Johnny haircuts Edwards did not do effective attack dog roles; why should HRC?


Even that Nobama poodle media prostitute Toobin thought on the C Brown show that was an insult to Clinton. Only the slimy Marton was agreeing with that idea (but then Rolan Martin will lick NObama's toilet bowl if it will get Nob a few more votes).

HRC 2012!

Read and Weep, NOb supporting gutter rats, polls are here.

Posted by: intcamd1 | September 8, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Reggie VonZugbach - you make no sense. Put the crack pipe down.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Just goes to show that the Democratic and Republican parties are DESPERATE to hold onto what little power they have left over the majority of the electorate who will side with an Independent Party if given the choice by the mass media. Go Nader/Gonzales 2008. Wake up America.

Posted by: McBama's Tide | September 8, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse


Too late, the Democratic Party discovers that general elections are not decided by super delegates and caucuses dominated by college students.

Brilliant.

Posted by: WylieD | September 8, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

143 days - how convenient you skip over his other accomplishments. I don't know about you, but I welcome a well rounded type individual. I distrust those people who have lived at the public trough for years, and years, and years. I can assure you that Mr. Obama having done work as a lowly "community organizer" remembers what a community should be about.

I would rather have that smart young doctor providing me services than the mediocre doctor with 30 years under his belt.

When did being intelligent become a deficit in the USA?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Headed to another Great Depression under a republican president, just like the last time.

Posted by: Charles | September 8, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

If you believe that Bush's approach to the world is the way to go, then you should vote for McCain. Bush has let this country down at every turn, but would lead you to believe it isn't his fault. I leave it to his God to judge and pray for our souls.

Posted by: CJ | September 8, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

We democrats will concede the title of "Best Mean Girl" and "Best Group of Smart-Assed Bloggers" to the republicans. We just want our country back.

Posted by: Charles | September 8, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Intcamd1- You are right, REAL Hillary supporters are smart. I'm happy you are voting for McCain/Palin - good luck with that. We don't need the your type of riff raff bringing us down.

Posted by: Kim | September 8, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Republicans intimidate the press into doing their bidding. They did it with the Iraq war and they are doing it to cover up Palin's dismal record. Palin's record is apPallin. Pork and deficit spending. She supports banning books and can't tell the difference between faith and science. These are trivial points. Someone needs to ask her the difficult questions -if they can wrest her away from her republican protectors.

Posted by: Louis | September 8, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse


Vote for Obama if you like the mess at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Franklin Raines, the incompetent former CEO of Fannie Mae who pocketed $52 million while running it into the ground is an Obama consultant.

Posted by: WylieD | September 8, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Intcamd1 - Another testament to Hillary is that she cares too much about the direction of this country not to support her candidate. Sure she could be bitter and refuse to campaign for her candidate, but, THE LADY HAS CLASS and won't abandon her beliefs to prove a point. Again, good luck.

Posted by: Kim | September 8, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Karen, I think we should beware the uninformed voter... good lord woman.

Posted by: oscars2212 | September 8, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I am so proud that Obama is finally proud enough of the U.S.A. to wear our flag!

I am so proud that Michelle is now proud of the U.S.A. period.

Thanks for caring about us that hang on to our faith, because we have nothing left, our homes, our paychecks...gone.

Nobama clung to his faith too...

to an anti-white, anti-American church for 20+ years...

but then again he "heard nothing"


Posted by: So Proud | September 8, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama picked a VP candidate exactly like himself except for being a white male. I bet he wishes he had a do-over.

Posted by: Jose | September 8, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

WylieD - Phil Grahm, a McCain supporter,advisor,and lobbyist is chiefly responsible for the deregulation which fostered the environment for Fannie Mae/Mac to fail.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

I do not believe ANY of the polling or "news" reported by mainstream media. It has been complicit in the last few decades long dumbing down of America, and now purely reflects the ignorance and incompetence that follows us every day. We must stop believing what we hear from the idiot box and start QUESTIONING the motivation and biases inherent in every report, reporter and network. Otherwise, sit back and watch the country get flushed - its already in the toilet!

Posted by: Vox Populi | September 8, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Oscars2212 - They are blissfully uninformed. I guess they just don't want to know.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I am an independent voter who is supporting Obama and I can't understand why this new poll is so damming for the Obama Camp. Barack got a 9pt bounce out of his campaign and McCain got a 4pt bounce out of his campaign. Before either of the conventions, you talking heads said, "The democrats will get a bounce and then the Republicans will get a bounce and then it will be a wash". I swear this is exactly why I don't listen to pundits and so-called journalist because they just throw stuff out there at the moment and they don't speak with any real "pulse on facts".

Posted by: Kitty40 | September 8, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Obama has a strong track record from a life of public service, bringing people together, and solving problems. He could have cashed in his academic achievements but chose instead to serve ordinary middle-class people in terrible economic trouble, then ran for elected office to get more done than he could on the outside as a community organizer. He has written two best-selling and influential books, one a memoir that addresses important issues in our culture, the other a policy book with ideas and vision for the future. He used smart, strong criteria to pick a VP nominee who can be a great part of his governing team and who is qualified to be commander in chief and determine our domestic agenda as well. During his recent trip overseas (certainly not his first) he had a crowd of Europeans waving the American flag and cheering pro-American slogans. He will change our standing in the world and put our foreign policy on a steady footing once again.

John McCain chose a running mate strictly for political reasons, to appeal to certain groups of voters, regardless of her lack of qualification to be commander in chief, her extreme right-wing views (banning books in libraries, teaching creationism in school, criminalizing abortion even in cases of rape or incest), and her lack of knowledge of national or international issues. If he were to become president and die on January 21, the government would be in her hands. That is simply unacceptable. He could have selected a running mate with some knowledge of economics to balance his ignorance and lack of basic competence in this area. Instead, he chose someone who could not be a strong governing partner and who should never be president. He has put forward no detailed or thoughtful economic proposals and relies on nasty jokes and one-liners instead of solid economic theory. His one-time chief economic policy advisor said we were a nation of whiners in a mental recession--it's all in our minds.

All I can do is to state the facts of the case, hope the hype and the bounce recede somewhat, donate what I can to the Obama campaign, and volunteer, volunteer, volunteer. I encourage fellow Obama supporters to do the same. Even more important, however, I urge independent voters to look at the facts instead of the publicity and hype. Oddly enough, it is John McCain who has truly played the "celebrity" card in the end with his deeply cynical, poll-driven choice of VP.

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | September 8, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

The polls obviously reflect the post-convention bounce for the Republicans. Just wait until the economic issues begin to sink back into the American consciousness after all the hoopla surrounding Palin and the convention in St. Paul dies down. Obama and Biden are correct on the issues - especially the economic ones. Reality is a hard thing to escape. Once the harsh light of truth starts cutting through the Republican smokescreen, McCain's lead in the polls will shrivel away. We have 3 presidential debates coming up and 1 vice presidential debate. McCain and Palin won't be able to hide from tough questions about the issues then. Show me the polls after those debates.

Posted by: DK | September 8, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey KimmyDummy,

SO now you have discovered HRC has class eh? I bet scum like you were trashing Hilllary, nicknaming her shrillary, regaling in sexist jokes, taking great pride in that media prostitute Mo DOwd's witless daily atttacks on HRC (she is still at it btw) and generally having a good time as the slimy Nob lost the popular vote and stole the nomination (wonder how Gore could have endorsed this empty suit).

So, stop using HRC's name. Gutter rats groupies of Nob like you have no right to her name. Most HRC supporters know what she really feels; Bill could not bring himself to say that empty suit is even qualified for presidency. And he is not, which is obvious to everyone except the Nob worshippers.

Posted by: intcamd1 | September 8, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Some of you people are so surface. If you want to vote against someone because of a flagpin or a church... you are idiots who don't care about their own economic interest.

I have allowed the Republican party to make a fool out of me for the past 15 years and I have said ENOUGH!!!

Posted by: Republican for Obama | September 8, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

The MSM is are cooking the numbers. Talk to your friends and see what the numbers really are. The press needs it to look close to keep people interested. Obama by 10 percentage points. Palin did nothing but excite the neanderthals who would vote for McSame anyway.

Posted by: Mark Hamblett | September 8, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

"I requested, signed and mailed in my voters paperwork to switch back to Republican."

Operation Chaos, eh? Hope you had fun voting cross-party for Hillary. It didn't do you much good did it, and Hillary's loss is nothing to regret. The slime machine would have made mince-meat of her and Dear Old Bill.

Posted by: fzdybel | September 8, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Well said intcamd1 !!!!!

Posted by: Me | September 8, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

The MSM is are cooking the numbers. Talk to your friends and see what the numbers really are. The press needs it to look close to keep people interested. Obama by 10 percentage points. Palin did nothing but excite the neanderthals who would vote for McSame anyway.

Posted by: Mark Hamblett | September 8, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

"THE LADY HAS CLASS"

If that's what you want to call the will to survive as a working politician. She's got that in spades.

Posted by: fzdybel | September 8, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

When will people wake up and realize that the Republican party's greatest success has been to convince low- and middle-income Americans to vote against their best interests? Just mention a few hot-button issues and their logic goes, to the detriment of their pocketbook, right out the window. Karl Rove believes that you are easily fooled, and you are proving him right! People, you are being HAD.

Posted by: ENB | September 8, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Some of you people are so surface. If you want to vote against someone because of a flagpin or a church... you are idiots who don't care about their own economic interest.

I have allowed the Republican party to make a fool out of me for the past 15 years and I have said ENOUGH!!!

Posted by: Republican for Obama | September 8, 2008 9:40 PM

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How the heck would a doddering clown like you know what is my self interest?

Actually, I voted against my (economic, anyway)
interest all these year, voting dem; and that was purely on the thinking that there was a decency andmorality to Dems which the repugs lacked, thinking that the Repugs were racist and evil, and generally ubeat about the dems who have shown more thinking, more openmindedness and skepticism of cult worship, over the years.

No longer. In this cycle, it is the dems who became worshippers, cultists, and thugs. They trashed the only 2-term pres we had since FDR as being racist. They stood in silence as the slimy Nob stole the nomination using race and sex baits. They lost all sense of skepticism, and openmindedness. They believed the Repug party line that HRC is too divisive and thought if they elected Nob, he would unite. No they are mystified that the same Repugs are attacking the greater uniter that descended from heavens.

The dem party has been diluted by an influx of frat party boys who were out to impress the sorority girls, by spouting some Nob worship lines.

These pondscum deserve to lose. When the party gets back to being openminded, skeptical, and respectful of its true heroes, I will come back.

Posted by: intcamd1 | September 8, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

You women who say you're going to vote for McCain because Hilary didn't get the nomination are complete fools. You're going to vote completely anti-woman because your woman didn't get a spot on the ticket?! Shooting yourself in the foot, cutting off your nose to spite your face -- whatever you want to call it -- is imbecilic. I'm female and I was ready to support her, but I found her and her husband's behavior disgusting. It shows me how far women have come that I can vote against her for a legitimate reason than feel forced to vote for her simply because of her plumbing!

Posted by: ENB | September 8, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Sarah palin enjoys killing animals. When she was 10 years old, she shot her pet rabbit. This is class? What kind of person would do something like that?

Posted by: Elizabeth | September 8, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin likes to describe herself as a pit bull. When I look at all the things she has said to introduce herself to the American people and compare those things with reality, it isn't a pit bull that comes to mind, although the word Bull certainly does.

She was against the Bridge to Nowhere - Bull - she was for it before she was against it and after cancelling the project because it became a political hot potato, she ended up keeping the money and spending it on other pet projects.

She is a crusader against earmarks - Bull - As Mayor of Wasilla she hired a lobbyist to go to Capitol Hill in DC and aggressively pursue earmarks for her town. She even went to DC herself asking for earmarks. She was successful - she obtained 27 million dollars of federal funds (our taxpayer dollars, folks) for her town of 7,000 people.

She sold the governor's private jet on E-Bay for a profit - Bull - It was put up on E-Bay, but it didn't sell. She ended up selling it to a Republican campaign contributer at a loss.

She fought against wasteful spending - Bull - When she took over as Mayor of Wasilla the town budget had a surplus. By the time her six years were up, the town was in the red, even though major infrastructure needs were not addressed.

So, the next time Gov. Palin talks about being a pit bull, just drop the "pit" from that expression and you'll have a clearer idea of who she really is - Sarah "Bull" Palin.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I am sure I was not the only one who was tickedoff and p***ed every time a pondscum prostitute like Roland Martin brazenly said on CNN said HRC supporters would come back "home", that the PUMA effect was a media concoction, that HRC supporters would never vote Palin, etc.

How would a prostitute like Martin (or fill your favorite media prostitute's name here; there are so many) know what a PUMA would do on Nov4. He is not one, he is a simple media prostitute, that's what he is. He could n't possibly speak for us, since he has been a media pimp for Nob from day one.

On Nov 5, as exit polls show it was not OH or PA, not Catholics or soccer moms or Nascar dads, but really HRC supporters that was the key swing block and why Nob lost, I would be celebrating so hard.

HRC 2012

Posted by: intcamd1 | September 8, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

The arrogant Obama didn't care to unite his party by giving a voice to the 18,000,000 voters who wanted a female in the white house, or at least near it. Therefore, I, as a long time democrat, will vote for McCain. Why? Because I am tired of politics as usual.
This election, I don't care about the issues. Why? Because Obama and the democratic party don't care about me or my vote.
Say what you will. That I am crazy, stupid or worse. I am proud to stand up for what I believe in and not just follow the democratic party and the moron of Obama (without a teleprompter that is what he is). Obama lovers: you are all sheep. Yes You Can follow the masses and let the democratic party fool you.
Perhaps next time in 2012 the democratic nominee will truly unite the party.

Posted by: NOBAMA | September 8, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Every Hillary supporter I know is now firmly in the McCain/Palin camp. The commentators in the MSM are completely out of touch with ordinary women. They keep saying we won't switch allegiances to McCain/Palin because of the choice issue. That's completely off base. First of all, we are not single issue voters (e.g abortion), and besides, when considering all the other issues, economy is the number one issue. We also care about accomplishments, character, and leadership. McCain/Palin beat Obama on all these issues.

Posted by: Kate | September 8, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

"I, as a long time democrat, will vote for McCain. Why? Because I am tired of politics as usual."

It's our Moment of Zen.

Posted by: fzdybel | September 8, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

It is a long time to November 4th. I can not believe that the public is going to allow McCain and Palin to get by with the recent generalities and avoiding any talk about important domestic issues. If I am wrong we deserve four more years of Bush policies. Also, I am suspect of the polls. I believe there are going to large turnouts of pro-Obama voters from youth and minorities who have stayed home in the past. If McCain supporters want to get over confident that is okay with me.

Posted by: cdgainesville | September 8, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

The media have no clue what they are talking about, just feeding off the electorate thirst for news purely for rating purposes. However, Obama will win not withstanding!

Why? new voters, that's why. The party that can brings in the most new voters win. Advantage, the democrats!

Don't be fooled by the so-called independents. 99.9% of voters have already made up their minds of who they will vote for. They just want to feel good by pretending to be "independent" or "undecided". What a hoot!

Words to the clueless right-wingers: Its the ELECTORAL VOTES stupid!

Posted by: Songbird McCain | September 8, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

The Democratic leadership sabotaged the candidacy of Hillary Clinton and disenfranchised half of the Democratic voters. Did they really think it wouldn't matter?

Dean and Pelosi should be tarred and feathered and run out of the Democratic party on a rail, dunce caps firmly affixed. Idiots.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | September 8, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

fzdybel, the moment of Zen actually happened 4 years ago when the American voter gave the White House back to George W. They will, once again, give the White House to another incompetent team - McPain. The irony of this whole thing is that it will merely prove that in the United States we practice the Peter Principle - the more incompetent you are, the greater the rewards. In real world terms, this called giving the Village Idiot the keys to the domain.

Posted by: Tess | September 8, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Those polls are meaningless. Has anyone you know participated in these polls? I think they're skewed more than just a little bit.

Posted by: Emily | September 8, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

McCain will lose the election. He can't be trusted and neither can Palin.

Posted by: Emily | September 8, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

American elections are not decided by Zen masters. Not yet anyway.

Zen is trying to sell inexperience as hope. Change for the sake of change. Zen is going against human nature. Zen is what will lose this election.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Okay Let me gets this right as a non USA (american??? isnt that the inhabitants of a continent...or two???) after 10 years of the republicans - and all the negative etc - you lot are going to vote them back in becasuse they say they will change - like my teenage boys saying they will clean up there room (yeh right)...and start their campaign to what looks likes me a stratgey that could have come tright from a collage of FOX/Jerry Springer show and targeting their base of supporters who they have screwed yet again for ten years..

Now what gives - is this for real?? Are you really the World leaders and super power - is this a example of the Democracy you want to spread aroudn the world - Cable TV rubbish culture...what a joke - the world is watching and laughing - and scared - you demand respect - maybe you should get back to earning it again like you did 5 decades or more ago...what a joke

actually I was flicking through movies last night and saw a bad cult movie called ...."Idiocracy" http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/idiocracy/

As wikipedia says...
is a 2006 American dark comedy directed by Mike Judge, and starring Luke Wilson and Maya Rudolph. The two main characters sign up for a military hibernation experiment that goes awry, and they awaken 500 years in the future. They discover that the world has devolved into a dystopia where marketing, commercialism, and cultural anti-intellectualism run rampant and dysgenic pressure has resulted in a uniformly stupid human society.

this very bad film now is starting to look like prophecy for me and most around the world now...

And yes every country deserves the leaders they elect - goodluck and thanks for the viewing - beats any soap opera - black comedy at the moment - welcome to your nightmare America revealing and dicovering who as a nation you really are...

Posted by: Col in Paradise | September 8, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Pardon me.

The downward slide started in the Democratic Convention when Hillary Clinton delivered a unifying speech - the best speech in the convention in my opinion.

And everyone, including the biased a-holic announcers were left asking, "Tell me again why she is not either the VP or Presidential Candidate?"

The answer: because she was a woman.

And then Palin came, via McCain. And all who were wobbling were given a second chance!

McCain is a military strategist par exellance. That was a brilliant tactical move, sir!

Posted by: FJStratford | September 8, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

"...we practice the Peter Principle."

I know what you mean, but no, the Peter Principle says that you get promoted only one ladder step beyond your level of competence. Bush, with his silver spoon in his mouth, got kicked upstairs several times from his level of competence and wound up President of the US. Because Gore was wooden and a bunch of ninnies thought Bush'd be a groove to have a beer with. Then in 2004, a well-frightened public - professionally frightened you might say - reelected a wartime incumbent, something that happens much more often than not.

No, moments of Zen are just moments, they're not supposed to last an apparent eternity. The real truth is, you can't go wrong with war in the these United States.

Posted by: fzdybel | September 8, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

This is a very apt article. Obama won by essentially gaming the Dem primary system, piling up caucus victories among small groups of idealistic voters in red states. Meanwhile his followers were consistently nasty to other Dems in their blog comments. This is another example of a Dem candidate winning the nomination by appealing to the idealistic part of the base, then being unable to hold the middle. Further, the failure to offer the VP slot to Hillary was (to use a chess term) anti-thematic. As the candidate who had taken half the votes, she should have at least been offered the opportunity. Obama's appeal is essentially personal, like Palin's. On the issues he avoids taking positions and essentially triangulated on Hillary, who took sharply articulated, well-thought-out positions. For example his position on FISA undermined the entire argument against the anticonstitutional Bush admin. Now he appears to be a nice man with little record who takes fuzzy positions on the issues and doesn't seem to stand for much besides the attractiveness of his personal story. And I'm a supporter. He could still win, but he needs to step up his game. McCain is a hothead with Bushian advisors who appears to be slipping mentally. Certainly his judgement is dubious, as his choice of the clearly unqualified Palin shows. But a good chunk of America is poorly educated and will vote on the basis of celebrity.

Posted by: scientist1 | September 8, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

The Obama campaign was overconfident when it decided to not even consider Hillary with 18 million votes, and instead chose Biden who got just 10,000 votes. The pigeons have now come home to roost. Too late to do much now. The only way he can salvage this is to have no tax increases. Robbing Peter to pay Paul will never work in a capitalistic democracy such as ours.Small businesses create the most jobs, taxing small businessmen to pay off $1000 to those who don't even pay taxes is a sure way to kill job creation in this country. This Marxist Obama will wreck the economy Bush has already wrecked. Time for McCain!

Posted by: Ben | September 8, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

"Zen is what will lose this election."

"Moment of Zen" is a segment on The Daily Show. To understand, you need to have watched a few. Most run only fifteen or twenty seconds, despite the title. No direct connection between Buddhism and this much-too-overlong election is implied!

Posted by: fzdybel | September 8, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Polls change daily. Lets wait for the first debate with McCain vs McCain. In this debate, McCain will try to convince the America people he is the agent of change.Give me a break! How in the hell McCain is going to change or shake-up Washington? McCain is Washington. Does he think the America people had amnesia for the last 8 yrs? McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time. McSame/Palin Policies=McBush/Cheney Policies. Another 4 yrs of McBush-abuse of power and horrible policies.

Posted by: Ruth, Maryland | September 8, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Intcamd1 - we don't want you back. Pleaaasssseee stay where you are.

Posted by: Kim | September 8, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

>> "Moment of Zen" is a segment on The Daily Show. To understand, you need to have watched a few. Most run only fifteen or twenty seconds, despite the title. No direct connection between Buddhism and this much-too-overlong election is implied!


Oh so sorry for the rest of us who don't follow the latest cable shows. Words don't mean what they do in real life. Flowery language is taken as proof of future accomplishments. Zen is not Zen apparently.

McCain and Palin shot up in the polls is because they succeed in presenting themselves as real people, warts and all. Look at what she has accomplished, right wing nut or no right wing nut. Painting her as Bush in a dress is misleading. The lady is self made, not like Bush. More like Bill Clinton in a dress.

Zen would be for Hillary to attack the female republican version of her husband. Like Democrats who trashed Bill's records during the primaries.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

When Obama got behind telecomm immunity I thought long and hard about Nader. The constitutional scholar should know that this provision is unconstitutional as an "ex post facto" law. Of course he knows it, but just what is the Constitution of the U.S. to Obama then? But the plain fact is that the country is going down unless it changes course *now* and I don't mean four years from now. It is critical that our next president is not a Republican. Wall Street got drunk, give me a break. They knew exactly what they were doing. We can't afford more Phil Gramm business as usual. The walls are coming down around our ears.

Posted by: fzdybel | September 8, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Intcand1
I was a supporter during the primary and am still a Hillary Clinton supporter. Which is why I refuse to sell out my beliefs.

McCain has said he will develope a plan to provide Community College Education to those who want it - avail yourself of that.

Again, good luck.

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Posted by: Why not a woman? | September 8, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

...."Idiocracy" - not democracy thats where the US is ehaded under the Bush/Mc Cain dynasty of spin fear paranoia and in competance...http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/idiocracy/

Idiocrcay As wikipedia says...
is a 2006 American dark comedy directed by Mike Judge, and starring Luke Wilson and Maya Rudolph. The two main characters sign up for a military hibernation experiment that goes awry, and they awaken 500 years in the future. They discover that the world has devolved into a dystopia where marketing, commercialism, and cultural anti-intellectualism run rampant and dysgenic pressure has resulted in a uniformly stupid human society.

this very bad film now is starting to look like prophecy for me and most around the world as we watch Democracy USA style at work......

Posted by: Col in Paradise | September 8, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

"The lady is self made, not like Bush."

It doesn't matter who these folks are or what they are like, so long as they are half way presentable and reasonably likely to survive their term in office. It matters *much more* what they propose to do. So far: McCain/Palin just like Bush. To the extent you can detect that they have any economic program *at all*. It's the know-nothing presidency, all over again. Hi, I was a POW once. And I was the mayor of a small city. Yes, and??

Posted by: fzdybel | September 8, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

"Zen is not Zen apparently."

Who knows, but Zen is definitely *not* Moment of Zen.

Posted by: fzdybel | September 8, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

You republicans are unrepentant fools. I wish you were the only ones stuck with your idiotic choices. You're like a stupid, drunken fifteen year old waving a gun in the face of the world.

Posted by: Charles | September 8, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

McCain IS Bush. Observe his record from when he was just a lowly Senator of Arizona to the Bush-like policies he's adopting now.

Here's my question to Republicans: If McCain is better than George Bush why didn't they pick him 8 years ago? Hmm? Because it's not the candidate, it's the GOP that's running the show, and they are a corrupt, self-serving anti-American political party.

The conservatives have infected the GOP, slowly trying to control every aspect of American culture, and breeding intolerance.
They are communists in the making.

God bless Obama, and God bless America!

Posted by: AJ | September 8, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

"I thought this was America where we could question our government."

No, this is the America where you had to sign loyalty pledges to see your elected President "in public". Thank you, republicans!

McCain doesn't offer more of the same? His people wrote the LIE that Palin was against the Bridge to Nowhere. She repeats that same LIE. Lying MORE doesn't make it true! And if she was AGAINST the bridge, why did she take the 230 million smackers???

Lying - the "changed" Family Value we can all sink our teeth into! (Whatever happened to the straight talk express..? Jump a curb somewhere?)

Posted by: neo | September 8, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

I would prefer that the media drop any reference, ANY REFERENCE, to Palin's family. Her public life on the other hand deserves intense scrutiny. There is nothing out of the ordinary in examining an unknown's credentials. If I were the Obama campaign I would send out surrogates to jump on the McCain campaign's propensity to play both the "media" and "gender" cards. Why shouldn't the public know her views NOW, and not a week from now when she's completed Tutoring 101?

Posted by: Ceee | September 8, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Attention Republicans:

Stop your whining about how the media treats the GOP. The "liberal" media? Absolute nonsense!

Liberal media was a term cooked up by the Bush administration as a form of information control. If any of you had bothered to do any sort of research about print media history, you'd see that the advent of "conservative" media is the issue here.

And besides, the media is doing what they've done every other election - their job. Yes Republicans, it's their job to ask questions and dig to get the truth about a candidate (Palin). I mean some one has got to do it .. because O'Reilly sure isn't our pinnacle of truth.

Try doing some research on your beloved Sarah Palin .. I mean after all, you don't REALLY believe they vetted her properly .. do you? How silly can you be?

Posted by: AJ | September 8, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

The Wall Street Journal has questioned Palin's ability to be VP and to step into the presidency not only on her "executive" failures but also on - wait for it - her religion. Their argument, a salient one to me, is that someone who believes the end-times are a'comin' shouldn't have her finger on the Big Red Button. Or our environmental policy, for that matter.

I have to say, I don't get what people see in this woman. I think they see what they want to see. I'm a woman, but I'd never vote chromosomes over policy, myself.

Posted by: Martimr1 | September 8, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Great nations become mediocre nations because of mediocre leaders. Bush has made this country a debtor nation. If McCain is elected, it is unlikely the United States will ever recover given the intense competitive pressure from China and the rest of Asia.

The smart ones will invest their capital overseas even as they regret what might have been.

Posted by: Oscar | September 8, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

INCREDIBLY THICK....to believe Hillary won't be playing a huge part as possibly the Secretary of State if the democrat's win. INCREDIBLY SHORTSIGHTED....the oil barons have been in power for the last 8 years and there's voters that want more of the same. INCREDIBLY NAIVE....to think McCain is about change when the Bush script writers have been hard at work. Greater empires have fallen and voting McCain will certainly help with that.

Posted by: Steve | September 8, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

"Mrs Palin's family, on the otherhand, are a perfect example of the best in the USA (I an a foreign observer). They get on with their life and are not beholden to handout."

Uh, Reggie, there's that small matter of $230 million that Gov. Palin took from the US taxpayer.. That's a handout. She took the money even though she was against the brisdge to nowhere - that's a sellout. She lied to you. Is that what's best in America these days? Dude, I got a bridge I'd like to sell ya!

Posted by: neo | September 8, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

karen said:

"It is also the deep anti-media, anti-WaPo, anti-NY Times, anti-slugs of the media sentiment. My vote is a vote against the pro-Obama media that has resorted to censorship, propaganda, bias and partisanship to further Obama's chance to be president."

the same charges can be levelled at pro-RNC media (including the majority of AM radio.) republicans and democrats both claim the MSM is biased against them. i guess it depends on where you stand.

still, you're voting for a candidate because you think the media's been unfair to them? what is that, a sympathy vote?

Posted by: menomena | September 8, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

What happened is a lot of Republicans who were going to sit this one out got tired of being called names and ridiculed, you woke a lot of voters up.

Posted by: MarxBro. | September 8, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Deja Vu All Over Again

As Willie Brown wrote yesterday: The dems are in trouble. Period.

Here's one reason why as an online reader posted on the washington post politics chat with Dan Balz today with regard to Obama:

"...I'm constantly puzzled at how he seems flummoxed when answering questions he should clearly expect to be asked: about NAFTA, when life begins, and most recently the surge. He seems to be thinking out loud, as though he hasn't thought it through ahead of time. Maybe the campaigns folks just don't consider these burning issues? But it seems to me it goes to character and trust, which may matter more than issues. What's going on here?

Dan Balz: That's an interesting point. ...... Does his style of answering questions make him look less decisive than he really is?"


Duh. Yeah. Looks and sounds unsure, whiny, complaining -- "boo hoo those mean republicans aren't playing fair!!! boo hoo hoo! wah wah wah."

John Kerry class of 04, sighing Al Gore 2000, Michael Dukakis '88, Jimmy Carter 1980 -- snatching defeat from the jaws of victory all over again.

Kiss the white house goodbye again you arrogant sexist idealistic non-pragmatic utopian democrap elites and your smartass children who won't show up at the polls.

We told you so.

PUMA Schadenfreude. My name is legion.

(PS: I'm NOT voting for McCain Palin but they have earned my respect along with never-ending infinite disgust for the republican party)

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Also interesting: only when the republican elites yelled about MSNBC's over the top sexism / bias regarding Palin did the corporate hacks respond. Can't help but wonder if the efforts of http://www.WoMenBoycottMSNBC.com also ultimately affected the long past due action to demote Tweetybird Matthews and the Olberboy?

Posted by: buzzzed cutts | September 8, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

If youn and good looking were a qualification for President FDR would have never been elected, or LBJ, or Carter,Whats your point? is this a adution for Calvin Kline models?

Posted by: Realist | September 8, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Too funny. Republicans are as giddy as a school girl (sorry republicans, is that line now considered sexist?!)
McCain is barely tied with Obama in most of the polls immediately AFTER his convention of LIES. This is as high as McCain will get, and the neo-cons are acting like it's big news.
The bubble will burst soon. Sooner than you thik. Truth will win this year.

Posted by: Every dog has his day | September 9, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

She's pretty than me (or, my wife).

She's a way better speaker than me.

She's smarter than me.

Oh man, how did I get myself into this?

Posted by: Joe Biden | September 9, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Stop whining, Joe.

At least you have some experience.

Posted by: Barack Obama | September 9, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Somebody should've asked me. I know everything.

Posted by: Bob Woodward | September 9, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Somebody should've asked me. I know everything.

Posted by: Bob Woodward | September 9, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

McCain got a convention bounce, just like Obama did. Once people start getting familiar with Palin, her positions on abortion and her lobbying for earmarks, the Palin unfavorables will go up and McCain-Palin will suffer.

Most people don't realize they will get a bigger tax cut under Obama than under McCain. Please go to
http://www.obamataxcut.com
to calculate your tax cut under the Obama plan.

Posted by: Ni | September 9, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

no hillary, no vote for obama. mccain/palin 08 and HILLARY for 2012.

Posted by: Nicole | September 9, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

In reality we forget that the polls have been sliding slowly towards McCain for the last two months, ever since the thilla in paris. Right before both conventions McCain was down by less than 1% in the polls. Now he is up by 3%. This will fade a little, but I think that unless Obama has a game changer he is in trouble.

I think the problem started with the no drilling stand and got worse with the Saddleback debate and then finally the Biden pick. Most Americans know that for change to occur in government you need a cnadidate with cajones. In those three instances he failed. McCain saw the opening and filled it with palin. Now they have an all cajones ticket.

For Obama to win he needs to do one thing before it is too late. Pick a fight with Reid and Pelosi. Those two fools are bringing down the democratic party at a time they should be taking control. Put them out of their misery and he will win the election.

Posted by: craig5 | September 9, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

capehart: kudos for retaiining journalistic objectivity in your opinion and analysis. you may give me occassion in the future to retract this praise, but when it's due, i'm inclined to dispense it.

thank you.

Posted by: bdiddy | September 9, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

We better consider McCain in favor of a military draft. He sounds like his response to most situations will be to send troops. I don't know how he'll fund it but I wouldn't be surprised at a big middle class tax hike half way through his first term. This might be one of those red scare eras - but we can put America back to work rebuilding equipment for our military. What better way to serve, send your sons and daughters and pay for it as well. My guess is the pentagon and the rest of industrial complex will like it!

Posted by: don myers | September 9, 2008 3:34 AM | Report abuse

I got this video of a black guy claiming to be Bristol's baby daddy. Doubt I can post links

look on youtube for: "Father of Bristol Palin's baby speaks"

Capehart please let me know if this is true. look @ the comments too. There is one stating that it is better to claim a handicapped child than a black child.

Posted by: anonymous | September 9, 2008 4:25 AM | Report abuse

"65 to 70% of the electorate are willing to believe the propaganda of the Republicans and the lies about Obama and their lies about themselves without looking further than the ridiculous ads of the "honorable" John McCain. The fact that such ads are run indicates they work. And they work because of the caliber of this large group. Add to that the race of Obama, his waffling on earlier issues, like the telecommunication immunity and off-shore drilling, and lately on the bilious Bill O'Reilly broadcast, and finally, coupled with his failure to pick the one person who could have trumped all this ridiculous media whirlwind about Palin, who is even less qualified than Dan Quayle was which was until now, thought to be the lowest bar around, and you have the makings of another four years of George Bush."

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Interesting that you pick Quayle as the low water mark for experience when he was selected as Bush's V.P. Let's see how he stacks up to Obama, the Democrat's nominee for President.

Military Experience

Quayle: 6 years as an enlisted man in the Indiana National Guard

Obama: None

National Political Experience

Quayle: 4 years U.S. House of Representatives, 8 years U.S. Senate

Obama: 4 years U.S. Senate

Executive Experience

Quayle: Worked for the Indiana Department of Revenue for 1 year in a post with fairly minor supervisory responsibilities. Worked as an Associate Editor at his family's newspaper for less than 2 years. (Summation: weak)

Obama: 3 years as a community organizer with some supervisory responsibilities. 1 year as President of the Harvard Law Review. 6 months as head of Illinois Project Vote. (Summation: slight advantage to Obama)


So if Quayle sets the standard for an inexperienced Vice Presidential Candidate, what does that say about Obama as a candidate for President?


Posted by: Robert17 | September 9, 2008 4:44 AM | Report abuse

Isn't it a shame that Obama has had to face repeated questions and criticisms for what his Pastor said in church, and Palin gets a pass on what SHE said in church. Even further, isn't it a shame they refuse to put her up to any intense media scrutiny, and instead, when the media go digging for information about a total unknown, they claim sexism and liberal media bias to attempt to stop the process or at least make it seem some how "unfair." And they do that with a straight face even though they accused Hillary of hiding behind complaints of "sexism" when she was campaigning.

Wake up America, and watch the GOP manipulate the press like they always do, with smears and false accusations.

Posted by: J. Reynolds | September 9, 2008 5:37 AM | Report abuse

Give me a break with these damn polls! You cant take any of them seriously. There are approximately 300 million people in the US and we are suppose to believe gathered responses of a couple of hundred people. These polls can reflect whatever they want them to so I dont believe any of them. It will all be decided in Nov.

Posted by: K. Nelson | September 9, 2008 5:57 AM | Report abuse

McCain is a true American hero, and Sarah is a true American heroine. They are real people, not elitist, not "parting the Red Sea" false Messiah. It doesn't matter what all the liberal newspapers and Washington insiders are going to write or try to knock down Sarah, she is a real person, a true sportsman, a marathon runner. Obama is just a snake oil charmer, and sooner or later, people will catch on. All they need is someone like Sarah to show them the way. She is much better than Obama because she is real. Try to belittle her, try to discredit her, and the people would just love her more. All Obama partisans are now getting desperate. That's a good sign. This election is going to be a fun one!

Posted by: Notasnaive | September 9, 2008 6:16 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe that Americans are gullible enough to do it again: 8 years of incompetence, indifference, scandal, failing health care, poor economy, record deficits and debt, record oil prices and oil profits, corruption, lying about WMDs, Iraq, Katrina, wire-tapping, illegal torture, etc. etc. just isn't enough for you guys? You really think McCain can stop that big Republican corrupt machine, even if he wanted to, even if we assume that he isn't a part of it?

You have a chance with Obama-Biden to restore your economy, your integrity, your standing in the the world as democracy's great light. As a Canadian neighbor I implore you all to get yourselves out of denial before this beacon of hope in the world, the "American Dream" continues this path into a nightmare. Punish the Republicans fully completely and give them the next four years to assess how they went so terribly wrong.

The American legacy is at stake, and the world is waiting for you all to come to your senses.

Posted by: leondurupt | September 9, 2008 6:21 AM | Report abuse

I watched McCain's speech. It took him about an hour to cross the stage.

You call that walking?


I call that shuffling.

People wonder if he can live long enough to fulfill his term?

---------------------------

I don't. Last I heard, his 96 year old mother was still alive and quite aware of what's going on. You'll be old yourself some day. Maybe even a useful citizen, too.

Posted by: rmpatera | September 9, 2008 6:32 AM | Report abuse

The polls aren't that bad. If McCain wins Texas by 20 points and Obama wins Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio by 2 point each, McCain looks like he's ahead. The contest that matters is state by state, and just as Obama team won handily in delegates without a huge majority, so they will win the electoral votes the same way.

Palin energizes the anti-intellectual set. Obama is doubly resented as Black + Harvard. McCain is, in fact, not the same as Bush. Obama will have to run issue by issue, and doing it that way, he will win. They're reformulating their strategy even now. Wait a month. Relax.

Posted by: relax | September 9, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Obama must be cursing the DNC to have held their conventions before GOP.
A few bad polls do not make an election though...
The big risk for McCain is that the bounce is mostly, if not exclusively, a Palin-effect. Therefore if Palin fails to meet expectations in interviews and debates and/or if all the mini-scandals about her conception of office start to really emerge, the kick back might just lose the ticket irremediably.

Posted by: Bernard San Gil | September 9, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

You warned the democrats about the dangers facing them in this campaign?? Are you on their staff or just an ardent non-committed reporter? I forgot your not a reporter but a columnist with a particular point of view whom we are liberty to disagree with.

Posted by: dad15 | September 9, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Am amused by all of the talk on here about the so called left wing bias in the media.

Putting aside the fact the highest rated cable news in the land (Faux) is reliably right wing, the newspaper with the highest circulation (WSJ) has a conservative editorial page, and the whiners (apologies, I meant wingers) have a monopoly on the am radio dial, I'm struggling to see the left wing bias in the media.

In addition, if I'm not mistaken, it's been the National Enquirer that has been leading the coverage about Palin's extra-marital activities.

This raises the question - how inbred / retarded / moronic / Republican do you have to be to think that the National Enquirer is elitist?

Posted by: August West | September 9, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

We are Asian Americans and were supporters of HRC during the primary election. since HRC had been snubbed by Barack, we are now lining up for McCain/Palin in November. We are not white, we are minorities also, but we will cross over to the Republicans because we do not believe that Barack has the experience to lead this country. Oh, another thing, we are also primarily Catholics. Got it!!!!

Posted by: VYRA | September 9, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Map529

It was H.L. Mencken and it was "under estimating the intelligence . . ."

Problem goes beyond just this: none of us want to spend the time getting the facts about either party's candidates. We just like to hear "sound bites."

Are "earmarks" and "shooting moose" really going to be the shimmering lights of this campaign?

Posted by: clamm2 | September 9, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

The last time I looked The Dems were in charge of the Senate and the Congress in Washington and they Have a 9% approval rating. Yes the country is going in the wrong direction and we need to change the Senate and the Congress by electing someone other than DEMS.

Posted by: MaryLou | September 9, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I'm always amazed at how poll results can shift in a matter of days or even weeks. Can the opinions of so many people be so maleable? Or can the fluctuations in poll results over time be subject to error. These polls are mostly conducted via landline phones while younger voters who may favor Obama mainly use cell phones. Meanwhile polls show that Obama has the lead in electoral voted. The take home lesson is not to take polls too seriously.

Posted by: browneri | September 9, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

I told you so.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton | September 9, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

This is the year the Democratic party brand suffers long-term damage.

Posted by: dcp | September 9, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

"especially since the senator from Illinois lost nine of the final 14 contests, including Pennsylvania, Ohio and Indiana"

This is the heartland of America. Why is no one paying attention to this? Hilary had a superhighway straight to the White House - that even President Bush conceded on this - and Democrats shot themselves in the foot for a rock star emperor. You wanna blame someone, blame yourself but a liberal will never take personal responsibility. That's why they like Abortion.

Posted by: This is a key statement | September 9, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

The whole situation reminds me of Rebecca Gilman's play, "Spinning Into Butter". Someone creates a sudden distraction that needs urgent attention. The characters in the play go into a frenzy trying to resolve the sitution. They go around and around and become more and more ineffective until, as one character puts it, "they spin into butter". The distractor "eats" them (in reference to an American folk tale that I'm not sure I should mention.) It turns out the distractor just invented a fake situation to see what kind of reaction he'd get. He walks away unscathed.

The Republicans seem to be doing that and I hope the Democrats keep their heads and don't over-react.

Posted by: Margaret | September 9, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I wish the media would investigate the racism in this. If Obama loses this proves what most blacks have felt for years, the American Dream is a dream for blacks. It does not matter how hard a black person works, a majority of whites will never get past race. All Sarah Palin did was bring out whites who HATE everything Michelle and Obama stand for and that is black process. This country is ONE generation removed from segregation, there were people that would spit on black kids that tried to get into the same high schools as whites, those people are still alive. You can change the law but you can not chnge peoples hearts. WHY ISN"T THE MEDIA TALKING ABOUT THIS!

Posted by: Swing voter | September 9, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

From Karen, why she won't vote for Obama:
"My vote is a vote against the pro-Obama media that has resorted to censorship, propaganda, bias and partisanship to further Obama's chance to be president."

Research has shown that the MSM were more negative towards Obama than McCain.

As a retired school teacher, I wonder why we failed to educate so many people.

It seems sad, in these dangerous times, that so many people are not able to process rational thought.

These people will read the Washington Post story today "Palin Billed State for Nights Spent at Home", thinking: "They should raise her per diem after she stood up and put and end to that bridge to nowhere."

We might want to ask Gov. Palin: "Don't you want to follow ex-governor Knowles decision that money not be taken from the state coffers to pay you for living at home?" But we know her answere: "Thanks, but no thanks."

The people like Karen will respond, "I told you she was a reformer."

Posted by: michael rottman | September 9, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Here's some truths that may be hard to read:

1) Hillary Clinton doesnt't have any accomplishments and never really did. She had/has no major accomplishments in the Senate, yet no one ever questioned her on her "35 years" of experience. Evidently, she thought being a junior counsel and First Lady were great preparations for the presidency. There were way better Democrats running in the race other than Hillary, but unfortunately they couldn't ride off of anyone else's name like she did.

2) Identity politics have disgusted me this year. Many women say they wanted to see a woman in office and could only vote for Hillary. They said that they couldn't "relate" to any other candidate. Really? How well did these folks relate to the male candidates that have been running for president ever since this country was founded. Why was it easy to vote for Al Gore or John Kerry, but Barack Obama is hard to "relate" to?

3) Capehart has consistently been a Clinton shill, so I'm not shocked that he claims his dire warnings to Obama supporters came true recently. Yes, McCain received a large bump, just like Obama did last week. If you look at Florida and Colorado, two key swing states, Obama is actually outperforming McCain even during his bounce period in the polls.

There were over 102 million voters in the 2004 election and Obama and Clinton each had 18 million voters during the Democratic primaries. There's still room to grow folks. With record turnouts and a competive barrage of youth voters at the booths, it will make a big difference if Obama can continue to perform well among most traditional Democratic groups.

Its just September and the polls change daily, especially among Independents.

4) There are going to be folks who can't get over fact that Obama is biracial. You can't really change minds most of the time, but gladly fewer and fewer hateful and disgusting people this still exist in the world.

5) Capehart--In the midst of your Clinton fawn fest, did you even take the time to analyze multiple polls from Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Indiana? You HAVE to know that winning or losing a state's primary has no indication that you will win/lose in the fall. So what if Obama struggled in some of these industrial states? He went out and had to work against somoene with 100% name ID and Democratic cotacts across the country. Plus, Obama had been ahead in Pa. polls for months. He was also consisently ahead.

Obama won North Carolina decisively, and came 1.5 points to winning Indiana when he was supposed to falter there. Obama can win diverse coaltions and he has done so--otherwise he wouldn't be at Invesco Field with his family and friends.

Sorry Jonathan, but Obama supporters always knew he would have to fight the good fight until thr end of the election. Stop trying to make it seem as though if we had elected Hillary the Savior that everything would be fine.

Posted by: Jon | September 9, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

The media bias is astounding. If Obama reads a prepared speech from a teleprompter he is a brilliant & inspiring orator, but is Sarah Palin reads a speech she is incompetent. If Biden criticizes McCain, he is doing the attack dog role of a VP but is Palin question's the Messiah's empty record, she is shrill and mean. The whole Democratic convention was spent in every speaker except the Clintons, mostly criticizing McCain, but it the GOP does the same it is a smear campaign.

Palin who is running for VEEP and not C-in-C generates more interest in the liberal press for her all American family, but the fact the The One spent 20 years in an anti - American church with a hate filled Pastor concerns no one.

There is a news for Obamabots, on Nov 4 there are no screaming caucuses to pressurise the voters, there are no Reid and Pelosi who can arm twist the Super Delegates and change rules for MI and FL to award the nomination to The One, and people are voting in isolation of the voting booth and they will vote for an American hero and an American Super Mom with an average flawed family like the rest of us.


Posted by: Roger Urguhart, CA | September

Posted by: Roger Urquhart, CA | September 9, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Oh well the diehard dimwit Democrats did it
again and picked the two biggest empty suit
lying liberal extremist phony big mouth
losers ever the Fake Messiah Barack Obama
and old five draft deferments loud mouth
know it all creep six term Democrat Tax
Payer Rip Off Artist Joe Biden and so it's
no wonder Sen John McCain & Gov Sarah Palin
will be elected the next President and Vice
President of the United States in 2008 and
then in 2012 Vice President Sarah Palin
will trounce Democrat Hillary Who? And be
elected the 45 President of the US in 2012!
Go McCain/Palin! NOWAY OBAMA/BIDEN EVER!

Posted by: Patty2008 | September 9, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Cliffyworld | September 9, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Have read every single one of these blogs and gotta say they represent a true cross-section of this specialized part of the electorate. I've been awakened.
For one thing, I had previously thought that Obama's choice of Biden was sensible and wise. Now I'm considering that Hillary might have been the more savvy choice---But, on the other hand, let's wait and see what spot Obama might have in mind for her. Perhaps something even more important, like Sec'y of State. This would surely be a more prestigious and effective position. This opera ain't over until the fat lady sings, so to speak, with no reference at all to the people in question. I'd like to remind everyone that the campaign has just begun. All polls at this time are waaaaay premature. Why do we get sucked into this frenzy? Because some of us are news junkies is why. Let's all relax for a few days until the debates take place, and try our best to make our judgments on whatever substance we can glean from those events, rather than the MSM interpretations. Until election day I'm going to try to wean myself from all the hype and partisan analysis. Of course the tragic thing is that most voters will be swayed by the handy second-hand, biased analyses. This is something that has to be dealt with by the candidates themselves. It will be up to them to confront and refute. Our present culture of media-driven instant "news" poses an irrefutable problem. We are indeed at a sorry pass.

Posted by: moran | September 9, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Polls are contradictory, temporary and misleading.

Come back to me on the morning of November 5th when we have the result of the only poll that counts....

Posted by: Jerry | September 9, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

All this sniping, smugness, and childish behavior is useless. Both sides look terrible because both sides have absolute babies for supporters.

Go to their websites. Go see what issues they support. Decide who fits your beliefs the closest. Remember to vote. Volunteer for one if you feel strongly enough. That's it! If you're considering voting for McCain because "an Obama supporter was mean to me" or if you vote Obama because "McCain is old" or any other reason that has nothing to do with issues, then please--GROW UP!

In fifty years, no one will care what color Obama's skin was, and no one will care about McCain's personality. They'll care if we screw up this country by voting in the wrong set of ISSUES!

Posted by: schala | September 9, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Remember the "Good ol' Days" for the liberal left?

When the Democrats only had to say "Look, we've got a women on the ticket, we 'get it'!"

or, when Oprah didn't have to show her "true colors" by having to choose between a women or race.

or, when the National Organization of Women (NOW) didn't actually have to PROVE that they represented women (which they don't).

...the list goes on and on.

McCain has done more than just show great judgment by picking an excellent running mate.

McCain has begun to expose the rabid hypocrisy that permeates the liberal-left and Mainstream Media (MSM).

As the days, weeks and months go by, watch for yourself how the left tries to weasel-word their way out of the holes that they're digging for themselves. Don't buy any of it!

Posted by: Poser Exposer | September 9, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I've always thought it stupid that people would look for where Barack opposed his own party. I agree with looking to see where he crossed the isle that makes sense. Since he is able to get both parties on board instead of just one, more things can get passed. Since when is that bad. McCain isn't even accepted by his party alf the time so why is that a plus

Posted by: anonymous | September 9, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

The ironic thing is, if the intellectually challenged who know nothing of critical analysis get McCain/Palin elected, and the American economy, military, and infrastructure continue to degrade to the point of collapse, who are they going to blame? That's right, the liberals. It appears that America may be too stupid to save itself from the robber barons who have taken over.

Posted by: joebewildered | September 9, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I find it hard to believe that a majority of women will vote republican purely because of Palin. This woman allowed her daughter to become pregnant, and comes out as being proud of it, as though its just another normal fact of life we all face.

I remember the accusations hurled at Jamie Spears' parents once her pregnancy became known. She is also engaged to the boy who "did it". But Fox News' Bill O'Reilly called her parents "Pinheads" for letting her become pregnant. No terms like that for Palin, instead we hear "intelligent", "good leader", "hockey mom". But I think American women are too smart for that. As time goes on and women let this sink in a bit, and as Palin is questioned by the news media, we should get a better picuture of her.

That is why the republicans are currently hiding Palin, letting her appeared only at scripted events attended by hand picked audiences, just as they did with Bush who did not want to face embarasing questions like where he was while on Guard duty. The RNC manipulation machine is geared up for Palin, saying she can only be interviewed by those who will show her "deference". Since when did any candidate for vice president need to be shown "deference"?. Is it because she is a woman? The question is whether we, the American people, will be fooled again by those who work to fool us. I hope not.

And getting back to Jamie Spears, the word is she will sell wedding photos and baby pictures for a total of $1 million. Can you imagine the hoopla around Bristol's baby photos and wedding, maybe a White House wedding? And American women are jumping up and down cheering? I seriously doubt it.

Oh, and for those who say hands off the kids, I'm for that. This is about Sarah, not Bristol, a daughter let down by her parents and now being used by them for political purposes. Just another family failure by Sarah, a bad mother all around.

Posted by: Fate | September 9, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Hit McCain hard, Obama.

Cross that stage in the first debate, look down the foot or so it takes to see the little old man, and stare him down until he folds.

Make him take a step backward.

Intimidate him.

Posted by: The Slobian | September 8, 2008 6:11 PM
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HAH! I'd like to see him try it. Obama the wuss trying to walk across the stage and intimidate McCain the war hero.

Sorry, it takes more than height. Obama will look like the fool that he is if he even comes close to doing something like that.

He'll look stupider than Dukakis in an Abrams.

Posted by: ep | September 9, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Another bad day, for the Baracky Hussein Obama campaign.

Cindy McCain is extremely good looking and sexy.

Democrats for John McCain in 2008

Posted by: Gary | September 9, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Picture it, Trinity Church 2006. Michelle Shiniqua Obama is speaking from the pulpit. Her prominent nostrils are flared, brow furrowed, and a scowl across her face. With all the inner-ghetto she can muster, Michelle Shaniqua is ranting against "whitey" and how they keep "raising the bar". All the while punching the air with a fist-bump. This my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

I suspect the tenor and tone of her speech will sound a little something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLj60GCBap0
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Can you please get some new material. You've used the same blog about a dozen times now. It's not funny, amusing or intelligent...just like the candidate you're rooting for...moron.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Picture it, Trinity Church 2006. Michelle Shiniqua Obama is speaking from the pulpit. Her prominent nostrils are flared, brow furrowed, and a scowl across her face. With all the inner-ghetto she can muster, Michelle Shaniqua is ranting against "whitey" and how they keep "raising the bar". All the while punching the air with a fist-bump. This my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

I suspect the tenor and tone of her speech will sound a little something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLj60GCBap0
---------------------------------

Can you please get some new material. You've used the same blog about a dozen times now. It's not funny, amusing or intelligent...just like the candidate you're rooting for...moron.

Posted by: Ryan | September 9, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama is basically running as the anti-Bush. There are many people (Democrats obviously, but also many Republicans) who feel that George Bush's is a failed presidency. But a vote against Bush does not translate to a vote for Obama over McCain, regardless of how many times Obama says McCain as President would represent "George Bush's third term", or how many times we hear the mindless "McBush, McSame" mantra from the liberals.

Obama has to start telling us what he is, not what he is not. He is a product of a Democratic machine long ensconced in a city that is, and has been, a paradigm of municipal corruption. Having grown up in Illinois, and having been a resident of Chicago, quite frankly, it is difficult for me to believe that anyone who not only came up through that system, but thrived in it and was coddled by it, can be an honest person. I have been waiting for Obama to make a case that he is anything more than a tool of his party, but I have yet to hear it. His voting record in Illinois and in the US Senate certainly does not suggest that he is anything other than a water carrier for the Democratic party.

Obama makes much of the fact that he did not support the Iraq war. The Iraq invasion was supported by the great majority of Congress, based on information available to them at the time. Obama's opposition to the war will no doubt garner him support from those who view the Iraq war as a mistake and a strategic error for the USA (as I do). But not all will agree that it is now in the best interest of the US to abruptly and immediately pick up and leave, or agree with his vote to cut off funding for the troops still in the field.

Our system of government, for better or worse, requires compromise to accomplish anything. Unless one party controls the Presidency and has an overwhelming majority in the Senate, nothing gets accomplished without the cooperation of the minority party. The next president, to be effective, will have to find a way to appeal to the other side, and will have to be willing to buck his own party to do so.

John McCain has not been a tool of the Republican Party, no matter how hard Obama tries to paint him as one. I think that McCain's recent upswing in the polls is partly due to his success in conveying the message that he is more likely than Obama to achieve consensus in the Senate. I think the other factor in play is the utter disgust on the part of many previously uncommitted voters at the lack of fair play demonstrated by the media in their rush to judgement against Sarah Palin.

Obama seems content with running as the anti-Bush, ie, continuing to define himself by who he is not, and seems very content to continue to allow a gushing media to portray him as a "rock star" and "Messiah". I think a lot of independents are starting to ask "where's the beef?"

Posted by: plb1 | September 9, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

So I hope the voters are aware by now,that
at least three other polls including Zogby,
USA Today,and Gallup also show Sen John
McCain is leading Loser Messiah Barack Hussein Obama by 4 to 10 points,since McCain named AK Gov Sarah Palin as his
Vice Presidential Running Mate and that
the phony WAPO/ABC News Poll is most totally bias and unreliable poll of all.

So all you Democrats and Obamabots get used
to President John McCain and Vice President
Sarah Palin and learn to live with it.
NO WAY OBAMA EVER! NO BIDEN EVER!

Posted by: Claudine 1000 | September 9, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

There are 2 - 3% of black voters left to be convinced over. This is one way Obama can boost his support. And if he can show how he can fund all those good governing ideas without pushing interest rate as high as Carter let it happen (perhaps Obama is too young to remember?), perhaps many voters may be convinced what he has been proclaiming changes are really on the horizon. By the way, why is it offensive to call his middle name when everybody else does not mind? Why is it not politically right when he himself explore his color as a springboard? why is it not right when a woman takes advantage of being woman just as a man is taking advantage of being man? Are all of the those intrinsic advantages that can be taken? If Obama can change his point of view and denis being a flip-flaper, why can Palin not change her opinion depending on which side she stands. I think she is much more honest in that respect than Obama tries to inflate or extrapolate his very thin legislative record(s)executive experience. Palin went Kwait, I believe, to look after her national guards, when Obama was trying to find ways to get his dream house cheap. Then again one only need to see where he embark his political career, and how he did it, and who provided seed funds. Is it that easy to throw your benefactors under the bus when they lost their value to you? So he throw his grandmother under the bus along with his once life guiding pastor. I say "present" to that.

Posted by: kimchee1 | September 9, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Charles: 'Bush vetoes everything the narrow majority of Democrats in congress pass, and the Democrats get blamed'

Wow talk about uninformed

total of 12 veto's 4 were over-ridden by spend happy democrats and rhino's

president bush listed specifically what was in the bill that he objected to allowing democrats willing to negotiate a chance to get most of what they want.

such as the SCHIP bill - meant for poor children - raising cap to cover family of 4 with income of $83k/yr, and using it to cover adults under 25 y/o all not related to initial intent of bill.

2 vetos of federal funding of stem cell research - surprise surprise a guy who believes life begins at conception doesnt want federal taxes dollars spent on this research. This does not prevent private party investment and research in this area. It simply prevents the use of federal funds.

the problem with Bush is not his overly aggressive veto pen but the fact that he gave the democrat congress a blank check and wouldnt confront them until his second term. LONG LIVE THE VETO

Posted by: gtr | September 9, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

"Real science is hard!"

Caribou Barbie

Posted by: Charles | September 9, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Are you Republicans out there ready for another failed presidency and another Agnew type vice presidency? Once John McCain is elected the media will feast on Sarah Palin.

Posted by: BIL | September 9, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

My goodness Capehart, have you gone mad? You know honest anaylsis is not allowed at the WaPo especially if it has negatives for Obama.

WaPo staffers, with a few exceptions, are expected to be unrelenting in their support of Obama and gloss over any negatives. And they are expected to slam any opponent of Obama -- smear them with lies if they can't get any facts.(See the site lead story today)

Capehart, your pink slip just might be already in the mail!

Posted by: William | September 9, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for bringing up SCHIP which was supported by Kay Bailey Hutchinson (R)and vetoed by Bush. As a pediatric health care worker, and former insurance salesman, I believe the Bush advisers know health care compensation is something government can do better than private insurers can. They know Americans will replace private insurance when they experience this reality. We rank 32nd in overall health care quality. We are more than twice as expensive as any one else.
See Physicians for a National Health Plan.

Posted by: Charles | September 9, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

to the poster "karen" You are so badly informed it's scary. This is the main problem with the US today - people who refuse to learn the facts.

Posted by: wtf? | September 9, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin would force a 12 year old girl who was raped and impregnated by her father to carry and give birth to that baby. Doesn't that bother anyone?

Posted by: browneri | September 9, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

The night of McCain's speech at the convention Obama supporters were on the blogs crowing that more people would be watching the NFL game then lame McCain and hoping the game would run into overtime. Well McCain drew more viewers then Obama did with his speech what a surprise.
With all the glamor, glitz, star power and that wonderful historic speech on a specially designed set at Invesco Field as a draw and McCain drew more viewers. Obama and his world tour to show he could speak to foreign leaders and draw crowds in Germany as a citizen of the world and he Obama could lead the world to Love and respect America again. All of the money you have sent in and all colected from his special interest groups and others who hope to line up in Washington for there pice of the earmark spending that he proposes to save the country with and the simple people of America the voters in record numbers turned on their TV sets to see a man, just a man stand up and ask the American Citizen to stand up and fight for their country and you just do not understand what it is that they are responding to.
The call of Freedom is what they are responding to just as our forefathers did with the cry "No Taxation without Representation.
The taxation will come from Obama with is over the top spending to save the country the way he sees it.
The with out representation is our Congress as it is today bought and paid for by the special interest groups and earmark spending.

A Maverick has walked on the seen and said let's clean up the house and sort through what is broken and not working and set our best minds from any party Democratic or Republican or no party at all and with the peopels voice being heard, go forward in unity to fix our country.

A flame ignited that had lay dormant FREEDOM.
McCain Palin 08

Posted by: Jace | September 9, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Laden says: We will fight the west, God willing.

Palin says: Iraq war is God's will

Bush says: God asked me to invade Iraq

Posted by: Patrick | September 9, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Why hasnt the media made such a big deal about all the MILLIONS of new voters we have registered? Are the polls taking that into consideration?

THE MEDIA IS NOT OWNED BY HIPPIES KEITH OLBERMANN GETTING "DEMOTED" IS PROOF OF THAT!

Posted by: Becky | September 9, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Charles -

Even Obama doesnt want to have the debate over the government running healthcare. He only wants the government to pay for it supposedly. The piecemeal approach is the only practical approach that will achieve this result. I too work in the health care industry. Both for the US Military and previously in the VA system. The federally run health care systems make the problems of private insurance feel like the soothing touch of a mink glove. Only the soft headed, pie in the sky, dreaming of an economic neophyte would ever lead to the conclusion that a government bureacracy with diffusion of responsibility and accountability would lead to either improvment or cost containment.

Posted by: gtr | September 9, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

A black man won a close contest with a white woman in the Democratic primaries and caucuses. It is much harder for a black man to win a general election. All the other comments are rationalizations. Remember the once-upon-a-time importance of experience? I am not so quick to count out Obama. His people have registered many new voters, and it is possible that they will vote. Final observation: a scary proportion of people who post anonymously on blogs such as this are filled with hate. Whatever their politics, they seem to agree in despising about half of the American people. Unlike these bloggers, I don't plan to emigrate regardless of the election results.

Posted by: Ohioan | September 9, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

It's effete, effeminate, wanna be, pseudo intellectuals like this that are hurting Obama and helping McCain. This fool should know that he is not most of America, most of America looks and listens to people like this and laugh at them. He thinks he's smart and knows the american people (citing MSNBC for some ungodly reason as if anyone really watches that channel)... when all he knows is his inner circle of borderline homosexual academics... who don't have real jobs.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Stop the bashing of Palin's daughter, unless you are going to bash Nobama's baby mama.

Nob mama got knocked up at 17 and her baby daddy was back in his muslim haven in record time.

Posted by: No to Hussein | September 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I rescind my previous comments. After reading everything here, it's apparent to me (based on the comments above) that the majority of Americans really DON'T have a clue and are easily lead by the nose and their childish thought process and not by a clear, informed decision or debate about the issues facing your once great nation. You folks are squandering a great opportunity to put pressure on your government by debating whether Cindy McCain is sexy, which candidate is a "woman, black, messiah, old, experienced" or may have a little bit too much money.

Stick to the issues, people. Think outside the box. "We're Asian and we're Catholic so we're voting for McCain". What? "Sarah Palin is someone I can relate to". What? "John McCain is a Maverick." What are the issues? And what will these people really do for you? Read ALL of Obama's platform on his website. Read ALL of McCain's. Disregard the political ads. OF COURSE THEY WON"T PRESENT AN UNBIASED VIEW OF THEIR OPPONENT!!!! Disregard your previous party affiliations. Disregard race, gender, creed. Get to the issues people, for the love of God!! Redeem yourselves after this abomination that is your current presidency. Educate yourselves instead of clinging to your childish rants and ravings. Learn about what your president actually can do.

Here's a checklist:
1. Unnecessarily into war
2. Not big on diplomacy or working on building alliances with strategic partners (most of Europe)
3. Too tied to big oil
4. Appointing incompetent people in very key positions (Katrina, FEMA, Homeland Security)
5. Record deficits and debt to the Chinese
6. Countless vetos of Democrat bills (check around you should be able to find this) as well as countless filibusters
7. Scooter Libby
8. Dick Cheney
9. Housing crisis
10. Illegal torture
11. Invasive wire-tapping
12. Independent report saying that terrorist and nuclear threat on the US greater than ever
13. Extremely low opinion of America in the international community
14. Poor immigration policy

The list is definitely longer. You're the Americans, you're the ones who should care the most and be having constructive debate about ALL the ISSUES, not these moronic debates over style, gossip, name-calling, partisanship. It's no wonder the politicians play this way, just read the comments above and you'll get a good idea how the general electorate thinks (or doesn't think). These kinds of discussions are a disgrace, and media is even more of a disgrace. They spend more time discussing a "fist bump" or the latest poll than they do comparing the two candidates on what they're actually proposing to do for America.

You should all be extremely embarrassed and ashamed, and while you're whining about the "liberal bias" or the "right wing conspiracy" or the "way Obama treated Hillary" you're sending the country you all claim to love to hell in a w(h)ine basket (if this is love, who needs hate)

Pathetic.

Moronic.

Uneducated.

The vocal majority.

Still proud to be American?

If you are, step up and prove me wrong. If you're not, let the so-called "debate" continue.

Posted by: leondurupt | September 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Stop the bashing of Palin's daughter, unless you are going to bash Nobama's mama.

Nob mama got knocked up at 17 and her baby daddy was back in his muslim haven in record time. Only to return for a month when nobama was 10.

You cultist need to drink his special juice.

Posted by: No to Hussein | September 9, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I am so proud of Senator Obama for stating today in his speech in Lebanon, Virginia...

"you can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig."


That's the way to tell Palin!

Posted by: Proud of her Obama | September 9, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Any chance you could get his big ears and skinny a** to say that when Todd Palin is in the room?

I would pay a very high ticket price to be in that room.

:-)

Posted by: Fight Promoter | September 9, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Todd Palin: "You said WHAT about my wife?"

Hussein Obama: "Ah, sh*t Matthews, he knocked out some of my big a** teeth. Help me?"

Chris Matthews: "I can't man, BOTH my legs are shivering now."

Posted by: Reporter | September 9, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

I just think it's gonna backfire. Palin as representative of the modern working woman? as a symbol of female equality? so typical of the doofus Republican mentality. fighting the ERA for a decade or so, and then picking someone whose attitudes are so extreme and accomplishments so dubious. Carly Fiorina was sitting there the whole f-ing time, and McCain looked right over her for a "pit bull with lipstick"? which do you think is the more accomplished? and what does that really say about Republican values?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Politics is politics. Neither party or elected official can cross certain boundaries no matter how much they wish. It basically comes down to voting for the best of the worst, unfortunately.

The environment and planet is in turmoil and this should take precedence over anything else at this time. Which party would offer a better chance for that? This is not about Republicans or Democrats. This is about our lives and the planet that provides such. It provides all our resources and necessities. Destroy the planet and we destroy ourselves. No more Republicans, Democrats, elite lifestyles, SUV's... NOTHING!

The current administration reversed dozens of environmental laws that took decades to put-in-place. We are running out of time quickly. The planet asks for your vote! Vote in good conscious.

Posted by: Earth matters | September 9, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

One concern is that with Obama in the White House, he will control a Democratic Congress
Jimmy Carter was the last Democratic President with that distinction. You may be too young to remember, but we enjoyed high unemployment with 18% inflation
Carter single-handedly sponsored the Islamic Revolution by pulling out support for the Shah of Iran, and practically invited Khomeni into Iran.

Interestingly, a Republican Bush with a Republican Congress also led to a lack of fiscal constraint. Few talk about this, but even the intelligent pundits recognize that the country often runs better with the legislative and executive branches on opposites sides of the coin.

Posted by: Democrats in white house ni congress ? | September 9, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Mr Obama,

You can't buy respect, you earn it.
Since Obama can say that you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig, I can say you can dress him up and give him a Harvard degree and he is still a Ni**er.

Posted by: R.E.S.P.E.C.T | September 9, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin is worse than Bush/Cheney if that's possible. They are both completely insane and complete liars!! If Obama doesn't get elected this whole world is in trouble. Sarah Palin is a complete disgrace! She has sold her children's souls for power and money. She is parading around a special needs child that isn't her it's Bristol's and she's making her seventeen year old daughter marry this kid. She's marching the oldest son off to war to make a statement. She's not even a good person nor mother to her own children how can she be good to our country?? Maybe if she would pay attention to her family they wouldn't be such a mess!!She's nothing more than a pig. McCain is a complete lunatic and liar. He is having her do his campaigning for him because he's a moron. If you notice he never speaks only she speaks it's weird. What lady wants to be compared to a dog wearing lipstick? Of course she is as ugly as a dog she probably smells like one too. If only Micheal Vick could have gotten a hold of her. If they don't win the election are they going to hang her or drowned her? With that squeaky whiny voice we all hope so.Shut her up!!

Posted by: KC white woman voter | September 10, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse

"The same Christian lunatics who want to bring about the end times with my tax dollars are "energized." Ironically, their rabbit-like reproduction, disdain for environmental thinking and penchant for borrow and spend economics will indeed bring about the end times, just not the version that has them flying away to Jesus.

Posted by: Texican | September 8, 2008 6:06 PM "

I think Texican needs to take a good long look at some birth statistics and the demographics. If I am not mistaken, the birth rate is highest among blacks and hispanics, who, according to the polls, are the biggest groups most solidly in the Liberal Obama camp.

Posted by: elephant4life | September 10, 2008 6:43 AM | Report abuse

Hit McCain hard, Obama.

Cross that stage in the first debate, look down the foot or so it takes to see the little old man, and stare him down until he folds.

Make him take a step backward.

Intimidate him.

Posted by: The Slobian | September 8, 2008 6:11 PM

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The last person who tried that was Rick Lazio (against Hillary Clinton in the NY Senate race). Anyone heard of him since? Doing well in a debate should be enough, attempts to intimidate (Lazio) or appear superior (Al Gore's eye rolling, sighing act in 2000) just makes you look like a jerk in public.

Posted by: rmpatera | September 10, 2008 6:49 AM | Report abuse

KC white woman voter: Even if anything in your tirade against Gov. Palin and her family were remotely true, and none of it is, it is plain that you haven't even bothered to read anything but liberal trash spewing lies about her, and one must wonder about what kind of angry "woman" in today's America has to make herself feel better by spewing the kind of tabloid trash about another woman such as I read in your post. It is a shame that, as a public figure, she can't sue people who post these lies and slurs for slander and libel.

Posted by: elephant4life | September 10, 2008 6:54 AM | Report abuse

Obama is m' baby daddy, and we need da money to support me muslem habits.

Posted by: KC Black Woman Voter | September 10, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

undecided voters should be taken out and shot

Posted by: think progress | September 10, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

elephant4life:I am not only angry I am in complete outrage!! I am sick and tired of all of the lies and manipulation that the Republican's force on our society. They are the liars,cheats and power hungry thieves of our America today! Palin is a complete liar once you lie about one thing then everything appears to be a lie.

McCain is a con and a phony! I am tired of listening to them use God's name in vain on a daily basis. If Palin loves life so much why is she an animal killer? They're both a couple of phony's. They are so sick that they are using 9/11 as a campaign slogan. It is also outrages me how many stupid people live around me in the Midwest that actually fall for their lies!! Our economy, our unemployment, our whole world is at stake here and all anyone wants to do is praise the lord. Well God helps those whom help themselves.

I have listened to all of the repeated one can speech that they have and it's a complete joke. They have no game plan as to what they can do to help our country. Obama is the only one who has sat down and strategized how he can make a difference and pull us out of this mess that they got us in to. McCain and Palin have sat down and strategized how they can discredit Obama. That's their attack plan and it's a complete disgrace!! By the way elephant4life we have freedom of speech rights in this wonderful America we live in. As Americans we have the right to speak our minds and I enjoy executing that right of speech. If it were up to the Republicans they're trying to turn this country into a dictatorship. You might be surprised this election that people are tired of it and they are not going to stand for it!! Let's just hope that the Republicans don't cheat again and make a mockery of our country like they have for the past eight years!!

Posted by: KC white woman voter | September 11, 2008 4:13 AM | Report abuse

elephant4life: I am not just angry I am in outrage at the lies and manipulation that McCain/Palin are pulling in this election. It's amazing to me how many ignorant people believe them.

We have serious issues to address in this country and McCan't/Palin can't address any of them. All they can do is attack Obama/Biden because they are afraid of them! Obama/Biden have both sat down and really thought about a plan to dig us out of this mess that the Republican's put us in. I am sick of it, I am angry about it and quite frankly I'm in outrage about it! I am tired of feeling like we live in a dictatorship that the Republican's have created for us!

Posted by: KC white woman voter | September 11, 2008 4:27 AM | Report abuse

Elephant4life,
I was a republican when I beleived they were doing what was right for our country. McCain using his POW status like it is something to brag about is dispicable. There are many POW's that just go about their lives and don't flaunt what they went through. And, this does not make him a good leader...it just means he was a soldier, neither good or bad, just a soldier. By the way, his plane got shot down by friendly fire 1 year earlier in a separate incident. McCain should say he is an Americon or Scamerican. And this whiny lady Palin aka Ms. Piggy should go back to the barn she rolled out of. I will forever be a DEMOCRAT. Obama is the only true American leader who will do what is right for us.

Posted by: ex-republican | September 11, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Great! now we have Kermit the Frog and Ms. Piggy trying to get elected. Oink Oink!!!

PS: Ms Piggy looks bad in any shade of lipstick. She is a terrible mother who can barely take care of her kids. How is she supposed to take care of our country? She cannot even balance her checkbook let alone our deficit. If she did not have on-line banking, she'd be in trouble. Do pigs get free checking accounts???

Posted by: Clyde | September 11, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Not telling anyone that she was pregnant is strange...and then having the mystery baby.
The AMA should jerk Palin's doctor's "license to practice medicine". Any doctor who tells a woman that is full term that it is OK to take an eight hour flight to Dallas (4000 miles)to give a speech and return by plane after her water has broke has no medical ethics or knowledge. No wonder malpractice insurance is so high. Sarah Palin herself should have known better than this....I have my doubts. I believe she received a call that Bristol was about to deliver so she had to scamper back to Wasilla to stake her claim that the baby was hers. It will come out...!!

Posted by: Drs. OB/GYN | September 12, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

The big losers in this election cycle are America's press and the public. Whether it is public radio or TV, Fox or the networks, they have lost any semblance of furthering the public good. It is most evident that shameful personal attacks based on race, gender, and age are routine and mindlessly repeated. When caught on tape, the press levels even more defensive and deriding behaviors to any opposing view. I guess this sells as commercial entertainment. Maybe we just have all hated Bush too long, or we harbor too many acid tests of public officials, or we suffer too many outbreaks of paranoia out-attacking the attack machines, but all this makes us ripe for a demagogue. Don't blame the bloggers. We lost the fourth estate some time ago, and the vacuum will be filled.

Posted by: Don | September 13, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

She is still a pig!

Posted by: McLame | September 14, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

I think she looks like a bore

Posted by: Bushwacher | September 14, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

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