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McCain's Snoozer

John McCain's speech last night was easily the worst of this year's four presidential and vice presidential nomination acceptances. Some of the trouble was not his fault: Hecklers in the audience, and the crowd's efforts to shout them down, knocked the nominee off his stride a couple of times. And my expectations for McCain as a demagogue were low to begin with; oratory has never been his strong suit. Still, the delivery was awkward -- he struggled to keep up with the teleprompter, his facial expressions strayed randomly from grin to grimace -- and made him look like a man slightly past his prime. The camera caught two members of the Republican audience actually yawning as McCain spoke.

Substantively, there were a couple of strong lines, e.g., "The party of Lincoln, Roosevelt and Reagan is going back to basics." But three mawkish and inconclusive vignettes about the woes of three swing-state families did nothing for me; he spent what seemed like an eternity on some sort of job retraining plan we've never heard of before.

Above all, there were too many uses of the word "fight" -- 28, by my count. This backfires in several ways. First, it may subtly reinforce suspicions that McCain, who backed the war in Iraq, is looking for another place to commit U.S. troops. Second, it gives "maverick" a violent connotation. And third, "I'll fight for you" is a rip-off of an old Democratic populist trope -- that's never worked for the Democrats!

Not until the end, when McCain spoke movingly of his POW experience in Vietnam, and connected that with his motives for pursuing the presidency, did he really seem to speak from the heart, as opposed to reading a text that didn't fully interest him.

Bottom line: McCain is trying to position himself as a veteran of decades in Washington who's nevertheless the man to shake the place up. It reminds me a lot of Hillary Clinton's pitch that she had three decades of experience "fighting for change." And maybe that's no accident, considering the McCain campaign's effort to win over her primary voters. But don't forget: Obama beat her.

By Charles Lane  | September 5, 2008; 12:18 PM ET
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As long as I can crawl in S. Palin's "Pipeline to God," they can have my vote.

Posted by: SA-Town | September 5, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I was watching MSNBC and counted 9 on-camera yawns. I started counting because I was also bored. The part about his experiences as a POW were interesting, but I wasn't sure where he was going with that. He never made the connections of why being a POW was going to help him be President. After watching both speeches, I now think Obama's experience as a community organizer may have given him more Presidential experience than being a POW. At least Obama knows how ordinary Americans live.

I loved John McCain as a Senator, especially when he actually was standing up against party leadership and being a Maverick. He certainly can't claim that title now. I think he might be a better asset to this country as a Senator, not a president.

Posted by: Barb | September 5, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I certainly don't mean to diminish John McCain's experiences in Vietnam or his status as a war hero. But the simple fact is that a Purple Heart doesn't automatically mean you should be president. And what never ceases to amaze me is how someone could be tortured for years in a "meaningless war" could actually be FOR sending other people's children off to fight "meaningless wars."

Posted by: Anthony F | September 5, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I tried to watch it all. But after about one third the way through I just went ahead and watered the plants. He has the oratory skills of bricks.

Posted by: Vinny | September 5, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

John McCain doesn't have style to be sure, but he does have substance.

Barack Obama has style and no substance.

Who would you rather have as president?

Posted by: arlingtonresident | September 5, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Just reading the first line of your article elicited a stronger reaction out of me than McCain's speech last night. There was unequivocally nothing compelling in his words, actions or presence. Snooze-fest to say the least.

Posted by: LexLuther | September 5, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

John McCain doesn't have style to be sure, but he does have substance. Barack Obama has style and no substance.

Who would you rather have as president?


**** Obama.

McCain is such a stiff. Obama is extremely intelligent and very capable, in my opinion.

Posted by: Vinny | September 5, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Besides the annoying whistling of his teeth, he sounded like a fat girl talking in a tiny voice trying to give the illusion of being small. But in his case he was trying to give the illusion of being competent and in control of his temper.

Posted by: swanky7611 | September 5, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

McCain barely graduated from the naval academy, right? Do you think if he had been a better student and paid more attention in class, he could have avoided becoming a POW?

Just curious.

Posted by: Kande | September 5, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps he wouldn't have been shot down in the first place if he wouldn't have been give preferential treatment over other fighter pilots who deserved to fly the planes.

Posted by: Wondering | September 5, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain in 2008

Posted by: gary | September 5, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I think even McCain was bored with his speech. It was as if he wasn't even enjoying himself. He couldn't even smile with enthusiasm. Did you notice the way he put on that fake smile, then go right back into the speech as if the teller promoter said, "smile here, now!"

It was truly the worse speech over the last two weeks. I am still trying to figure out what is the plan of action.

Posted by: Jalexa | September 5, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

As has been said by others, it takes hundreds to help the Captain of an aircraft carrier to run an aircraft carrier, but only one man to pilot an airplane. John McCain demonstrated his maverick qualities of going it alone and not capable of commanding an aircraft carrier or the nation. If he were capable of command, he would have offered some substance for the nation to consider.

Posted by: Capitol Hill resident | September 5, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

The Post is so in the tank with the Obama campain it is hard to tell the fact and fiction. Be honest with the poepl the Pose does not care about the people just the Obama-nation.. Way doesn't the post just stop publishing "stories" and get on with the Obama spin, that is what we are waiting for..

Posted by: Dubs | September 5, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm reminded of Vermont's Calvin Coolidge, a man of few words. McCain could have learned from him last evening. He also might have remembered that it's better to have people think you're a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Shame as his record of service in the Navy is outstanding and his political record, up until this campaign, was top notch. McCain's past his prime and the selection of Palin confirms a lot of speculation that Charlie Black, Rick Davis and the RNC are indeed running the campaign and McCain.

Will see how this plays out, but this convention nixes my past support of McCain for good

Posted by: Too Bad John | September 5, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

You people are so disgusting, belittling a true war hero. This man fought and endured torture from the Vietcong, what have you all done with your life?
The op-eds here at the Washington (com) Post are just beholden to the left, and when asked to jump, they say "how high".
And those mocking John McCain, his wife Cindy, and Sarah Palin, are really just jealous that they live their convictions, the McCains and Mrs. Palin live their life for service and want to leave this place a little better off then when they got here.
Obama/Biden are the first and third most LIBERAL representatives in the Senate. And they even do not what to be labeled LIBERAL.
They balk are their own description. Where the Republicans where the CONSERVATIVE label proudly.
You may want to label McCain as boring, but his real labels are HERO and MAVERICK, and we love his true heroism.

Posted by: Mary | September 5, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Palin's crap talking, smirky, condescending, sarcastic speech got me so fired up I had a hard time sleeping that night.

WcCain's speech.....had me sleeping like a bump on a log last night.

Interesting sidenote.....who knew WcCain was a POW?

I had no idea.......(insert the rolling of eyes here).

Posted by: I slept like a baby last night.... | September 5, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how many times I have heard about McCain's POW status and experience. The nation has honored him for that and I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with all of the votes against funding for veterans health since 2003. I am also disappointed that I have never heard him give honor to the men who also served. They weren't POWs but they sacrificed more than John S. McCain did. There names are etched on a black granite wall not far from the house he wants to occupy. No, this is one old vet who won't be voting for Sen McCain to lead the nation. I don't like where he proposes to take us. That one granite wall is enough. 100 years of foreign occupations are not my idea of how to run a democratic republic.

Posted by: Jerry | September 5, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

While watching McCain I was remembering the Ronald Reagan line aganist President Carter "Well there you go again".

McCain showed his age and his health while delivering what should have been billed as the most important speech of his life. Even he was having a hard time believing he was a Washington Outsider-he isn't he is part of the problem.

In the next couple of weeks the Republicans are going to have to answer the real questions about jobs and the economy. The American people have already realized the Iraq war is "the war to nowhere", when will McCain?

Palin will have to meet the National Press and explain how she hired the lawyer lobbyist in indicted Sen. Ted Stevens pocket and accepted all the earmarks, and all the sudden is campaigning aganist earmarks.

She is a phony and an insult to women. She couldn't make a pimple on Sen Kay Bailey's rear end.

Posted by: WALTER | September 5, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Mary- Just because someone is a war hero does not mean that their ideas cant
be critiqued.

Arlingtonresident- the speech last night by McCain had 0 substance. It is obvious that McCain is not and will not run on any issue(s) because he would lose if this were an election about issues. His own campaign chair said as much this last week.

It's time to stop labeling people- liberal or conservative. People don't even know what those mean, but they are sure that they are bad or good. Let's talk about issues that matter.

Posted by: Terp alum | September 5, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

You people are so disgusting, belittling a true war hero. This man fought and endured torture from the Vietcong, what have you all done with your life?
The op-eds here at the Washington (com) Post are just beholden to the left, and when asked to jump, they say "how high".
And those mocking John McCain, his wife Cindy, and Sarah Palin, are really just jealous that they live their convictions, the McCains and Mrs. Palin live their life for service and want to leave this place a little better off then when they got here.
Obama/Biden are the first and third most LIBERAL representatives in the Senate. And they even do not what to be labeled LIBERAL.
They balk are their own description. Where the Republicans where the CONSERVATIVE label proudly.
You may want to label McCain as boring, but his real labels are HERO and MAVERICK, and we love his true heroism.


Posted by: Mary | September 5, 2008 1:35 PM
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What kind of courage or conviction did WcCain show when he flip-flopped on torture?

Answer...none.

Posted by: Convictions my a$$.... | September 5, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

mccain is a fortunate son born with the silver foot in both his mouths.

good thing palin is a pentacostal snake-handler-----this snake is OILY.


we've had enuff bad medicine.


and these poisonous vipers are anathema for america.

Posted by: bloggod | September 5, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

It was a snoozer... and I'm a McCain/Palin supporter! But it was a bad set-up: Palin is an excellent and exciting speaker and McCain had a tough act to follow. You would think that with his big moment in the spotlight (for the Presidency of the US!) he would give it his all and show a little bit more excitement. I think a lot of people were bored because John McCain himself looked like he was bored!

Posted by: Rich | September 5, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

McCain quit being a maverick during this campaign when he figured out he couldn't get the nomination without the support of the extreme right. He's flipped on every moderate position he held. Even then, the religious fundamentals were withholding money and free labor. I guess they took that "agents of intolerance comment personally. Enter Palin, an UNQUALIFIED success and darling of the extreme right and all is forgiven.
I listened to his snoozer of a speech last night. He spoke of change and then gave a whole laundry list of all the right's favorite things.
I would have voted for him in 2000. Not a chance now.

Posted by: GWequalsWPE | September 5, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Do think that Obama 08, has a "how to treat Good Terrorist-For dummies" handbook or are going to let them have a get out of jail card free, if they swear not to kil, kill, kill again? When is the Flag burning ceremony?


Obama bin-biden 08

Posted by: Dubs | September 5, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

God save the world from people who can glibly deliver a speech. Eloquence by itself is meaningless. I disagree with a lot when it comes to McCain, but at least he has lived a real life, and believes what he says when he says it. Last time we rejected someone who looked uncomfortable delivering a speech, we rejected Gore (and got Bush).

Buy from a good salesman and expect to have buyer's remorse the next day. Not me. I'm voting for the lousy speaker, McCain.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | September 5, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I probably will vote for Obama, but I so admire Senator McCain. Those of you who downgraded his speech did not see the same presentation I saw. Here you have a man, a Patriot in the best sense, who cannot fully raise his arms because of the sacrifices he made for us all, and we dare to criticize. Maybe, as some you point out, that torture and his service do not qualify him to be president, but what exactly qualifies Obama, for whom I plan to vote? We, including myself, need to begin getting real in this country. We are voting for someone who knows how to read his or lines. We are not voting for someone who is better in bad times than he or she is in good.

Posted by: Rick of Crewe, Va | September 5, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

The only interesting about the speech was that he went with the "cottage cheese in lime green Jell-o" look. It was the talk of the blogs! A hit!
Of course, it turned out to be the lawn of the Walter Reed Middle School in North Hollyword, CA. Why that shot? Seems they made a mistake--it was supposed to be Walter Reed Medical Center. Wow, these GOP-ers really don't know how to use The Google, do they?

Posted by: iacitizen | September 5, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Like most of the past US Presidents, they would not have been great orators on television, with or without a teleprompter, as Obama and Palin are. At the same time, the two best qualified perons running that could do a great job as President are McCain and Biden.

The question then becomes what is more important, being and eloquent speaker or have great experience and judgement?

Like past Presidents Truman, Adams and Washington, I will choose experience and good judgement over oratory. Obama would make a great VP and maybe someday a great President.

As an independent, it appears that the Reublicans are saying the problem is not Americas values, but how politics are conducted in Washington DC. The Democrats are saying they will conduct busines the same in Washington DC and change Amercia's values.

Posted by: rljmsilver | September 5, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I've been tortured too Johnny boy!!

having to listen to your speech

Posted by: Chris | September 5, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

After Obama gave that electrifying speech in Denver, the McCain camp knew that they had to do something spectacular in order to take away the moment from Obama's speech, so they did something that even has conservatives shaking their heads, they (mcCains) campaign manager decided AGAINST Liberman who McCain wanted to pick and went with shock value ih a female governor that they didn't have time to vette fully. They may say they did but it's obvious that they didn't cause of the time restraint. They saw a popular governor (80%) approval, with absolutely no commercial attacking Mccain and a solit conservative record and said ok, we don't have enough time to look anymore, she is our pick NOW RALLY AROUND HER. The problem with that is she has some baggage which in the grand scheme of things isn't that bad but with the nation NOT knowing who she is, the little problems were made giant mountains by the pick itself and the Mccain camp unusual quick pick of an unknown. The argument that she is perfect cause she is a governor for under 2 years with little executive experience just don't make since because if that was the case and they needed a woman, they could've gotten Olympia Snow or Kay Hutchinson (who looked really pissed about the vp pic) instead of this pick. Her being investigated for abuse of power just played into the hands of those waiting to pounce on her and she gave them the meat they were looking for. George W Bush abused power, the american people don't want another president abusing the power of the Oval Office anymore and she flies right in the face of that storm and the Mccain Camp didn't see it or underestimated it's seriouness. I see problems on another from for her and McCain, McCains motto is "Country First" but has a running mate that has some connection whether strong or not to the Alaska Indpendance party. It really don't matter if she is or not, her husband is and they're going to tie them both together, basically, uneeded attraction at a time when McCain failed to deliver that speech everyone was waiting for. Those along with other mistakes the McCain camp made with this selection will probably be the fall for McCain. Fred Thompson, and the rest were the attack dogs and McCain should've came in and knocked it out and closed on a HUGE note but he didn't and the convention went in a whisper. Now the election begins and both parties will have to convince the INDEPENDANTS AND SWING VOTERS, conservative will vote conservative, and dems will vote dem, I feel that McCain didn't hit the independants at all, nor did his vp and that's just the way I see, it.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

It was a snoozer alright, thanks to Palin his party was awoken and started to droze off last night. If he talked about substance I probably miss it due to the code pink lady. That was a hoot!!

Posted by: bigben1986 | September 5, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Mary and Rick,

This is a presidential campaign, not a Sunday stroll through the park. If we don't seriously criticize, test, and evaluate the candidates -- war heroes or not -- we risk ruining this great nation with a subpar president elevated to office on the basis of his touching life story instead of his competence and ability to lead. Please don't turn this into a popularity contest.

Posted by: Chris S. | September 5, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"John McCain is his own man."

Then why isn't Joe Lieberman his running mate?

Posted by: HereWeGoAgain | September 5, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, this guy doesn't strike me as a catalyst of change, but at the same time, I don't buy that a big spending liberal Dem is going to deliver change (universal health care, alternative energy, tax restructuring, etc.) without increasing taxes and exactly what is it that he's going to change again? The target keeps moving. So we have the old man on the mountain vs. the used car salesman. Can we not do better than these candidates? And why not do the flat tax or otherwise eliminate the IRS? They never want to speak about that. Washington is tired. 3rd party anyone? Bueller?

Posted by: Chris W. | September 5, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

McCain was NOT tortured by the Vietcong. The Vietcong were an offshoot of the Viet Minh, an indigenous insurgent group trying to overthrow French, then later American supported, colonial rule. The VC were based in the South, not in the North. He was captured and taken prisoner and tortured by the North. He was on his 23 mission and was shot down over Hanoi. Who knows how may innocent civilians were killed by his and many other pilots bomb runs over populated areas. We were trying to wear the Vietnamese down by bombing their cities. That strategy had the opposite result. The North Vietnamese only got more determined by our strategy. His actions did nothing to shorten the war or bring so called victory to America. The war went on for 8 more years after he got shot down. He may have been heroic in standing up to torture. But is he a Hero? That's another judgement entirely.....

Posted by: tombo | September 5, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

McCain's party acceptance speech once again highlights his POW experience in terms of how character shaping this was for him.

As a thinking person I'm interested in learning about how this personally harrowing experience affected him emotionally and psychologically. What about his Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome which is understandably a common emotional and psychological consequence from such an ordeal?

His speech hightlighted how much of a "fighter" he is and has the scars to prove it. Emotional and psychological scars, indeed, that are untreated are visible in a 72 year old POW who is known for reacting in anger. And, he's a "maverick" which translates into a "loner" who proudly relies mostly on solo decision-making rather than collaboration.

McCain's true personality should be investigated and brought to light so that as citizens we know the real John McCain.

So far, the public is familiar only with the McCain who carefully presents himself as one who has been well-seasoned by his POW experience. I wonder about the darker side of his personality that has been hidden, but nonetheless substance that doesn't just go away. This unknown dimension of McCain's personality influences the way he makes decisions.
I have reason to be seriously skeptical of his emotional and psychological fitness for the presidency.

Posted by: David | September 5, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

But the simple fact is that a Purple Heart doesn't automatically mean you should be president.
+1

Posted by: qweraswe | September 5, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

---THIS JUST IN----

John McCain finally admits!! "WHAT HAVE I DONE"???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-QevraCQUc

Posted by: Amie | September 5, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Also, I am sick of people blogging like Mary who feel that it is un-American to criticize our leaders when that is and should be the bedrock of free though and what separates us from 3rd world countries. I am also sick of the far right using soldiers and heroics and the flag to suggest that its un-American to criticize a costly war that was never worth the horrible sacrifices that have been laid down and skirting the attempts by true Americans to hold those responsible for this travesty of a war under the light. Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld need to be tried as WAR CRIMINALS. That is right, war criminals who fomented a special interest war for their own purposes sacrificing the sons of others and many of us will not forget it.

Posted by: Chris W. | September 5, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

On the question of experience - wouldn't you agree that by age 72 McCain has had too much experience?

As for Mrs Palin, she may have the headlines, but she is not in fact the candidate in this election. A heartbeat away - but only if McCain wins. Do we want McCain to win?

Posted by: alias1 | September 5, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"McCain's true personality should be investigated and brought to light so that as citizens we know the real John McCain.

So far, the public is familiar only with the McCain who carefully presents himself as one who has been well-seasoned by his POW experience. I wonder about the darker side of his personality that has been hidden, but nonetheless substance that doesn't just go away. This unknown dimension of McCain's personality influences the way he makes decisions. "
-
No problem.
Else useful hear why McCain wants the war ..и role Cheney in campaigns McCain.
The Question then will: who main: McCain? Cheney?
the answer: business Cheney.
( McCain - a puppet)

Posted by: qweraswe | September 5, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Man, I'm glad I didn't watch it then.

By the way, I talked to about ten women, some conservative, some liberal, some independent, and not a one of them actually watched Sarah Palin's speech.

Not one.

NOT a good sign.

Most didn't even know her name.

Posted by: Will in Seattle | September 5, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

The most shameful thing about the Republican convention, was the video that was supposed to honor those who died on 9/11. Instead, its message promoted fear. Rudy was accused of using "a noun, a verb and 9/11" as reason to vote for him. Now the whole Republican Party has used that same message.
There was no honor shown the victims OR the survivors of 9/11 in the video shown. It was a self-serving, wound opening demonstration that the Republicans "just don't get it!"

Posted by: SLR | September 5, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Will someone please tell Little Sarah Shrill One Note that she reminds lots of men of their ex-wives scritching at them to take the garbage out?

If McCain wants to stop the partisanship and the yelling at one another then maybe someone should tell the old fart that his poodle is yapping so loud no one can hear the TV.

Honestly, if I had to listen to that thing day in and day out I'd find the nearest ice floe and spend my last few remaining moments in peace and quiet.

That woman needs to shut the hell up and let the man talk, now. M'kay, honey?

Posted by: Choirboy | September 5, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I used to think it was wishful thinking by Obama supporters when they claimed the PUMA crowd were really Republicans. Now I think they're right.

When people write things like "Democrats for John McCain in 2008", it has to be a total lie. There is no reasonable person, who is REALLY a Democrat, who could countenance, based on their policy platform, voting for the McCain-Palin ticket.

I simply don't believe it. You are not and never were a Democrat.

Posted by: Jerry | September 5, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

You flabby Americans are such losers. You are going to cave in again, and vote Republican, because you are stupid, I can sense it. We make fun of you here in Europe. Americans are such clueless dumbasses.

I think you should vote Democrat, but you act foolishly in elections, you have no idea what you're doing. At first I felt bad for you, but when you re-elected Mr. Bush, I didn't. If you refuse to think I may as well take advantage of it. The American dollar has become so worthless we can now buy much more American property in the past, and still have plenty of dollar bills left to wipe my bunghole. You need to sell your property to pay for bombs in Iraq, and you are about to elect Mr McCain, who will keep you there, so property will become cheaper still. If you insist on being stupid and voting for Mr. McCain, I may as well keep taking advantage of you!

Posted by: LaughingAtAmerica | September 5, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Disclaimer: I am a committed Obama supporter. Everyone, liberals, conseratives, Dems, Repubs, Independents. John McCain deserves our deep respect and gratitude for serving his our country and for personally sacrificing his health and well being alongside others when he had the opportunity to go home. Dems: getting shot down does not mean McCain is stupid, or didn't deserve to be flying that plane, or had preferential treatment over more skilled pilots. He got shot down because at the time the Russian made surface-air missiles were far more advanced than our navy's defensive radar. Repubs: being a POW and war hero (yes McCain haters, he is a war hero) and having a deep love of this country, do not necessarily qualify someone to be President. To paraphrase an author I cant remember the name of now, "the Presidency is not a gold watch for years of public service". Both sides, lets stop focusing on events that happened almost 4 decades ago before McCain ever contemplated public office and instead focus on the issues of the present. McCain calls himself a maverick and a reformer, but he has remained with the Repub. party for almost thirty years. Last night during his speech, he criticized members of that same party and said he will shake things up in Washington. Why then not serve as an independent Senator from Arizona (and yes, the same question can be asked of Obama). Why: Because that is how they (both of them) get and remain elected, by associating with a party. However, the party he associates himself with is running this country into the ground and does not deserve to be elected for another four years of catastrophe. And just as they have done for the past 8 years, they are trying to distract from the fact that the situation has not improved. Conservatives and Republicans are not bad people, but I do not trust the Republican Party. Vote Democrat and vote for a new strategy.

Posted by: News McTado | September 5, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I watched the entire McCain speech. I did not expect to see a great orator, I expected to see an honest man who has given his best to the country he loves. And that is what I saw. And that is why I am voting for McCain.

Posted by: Cassandra Washington | September 5, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Ok folks first of all, I AM AN OBAMA SUPPORTER!!!. Now that we have that out of the way let me say that i respect McCain and that chick he picked. I mean they had the balls to stand in front of millions and speak with dignity and prompters. What I dont get is what makes anyone think this guy will make it through 4 years? Im not trying to be mean, but hes old as hell, and scares me with how sick he looks some times. I am much more comfortable with Biden being next in line than Palin. What is it about experience that makes every one think John is the man? Look how much experience GW had??? HOWS THAT WORKIN OUT FOR THE GOOD OLE USA??? What I mean is, maybe its time to let the rookie bat!!!! HIT A HOMER!!!! OBAMA IN 08 BABY!!!

Posted by: Experience hasnt worked for 8 years. | September 5, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Didn't watch the speech because I suspected it would be just what you said. Well, I can't wait for the debates. Barack should be able to push John around. Joe will make Sarah look like a schoolkid.

Posted by: HeidiL | September 5, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

John McCain served his country and paid a heavy price for it. He was one of the lucky ones and made it home when many didn't. I appreciate his service to this nation. BUT, what we face now in this nation isn't the same old same ol anymore. His speech didn't explain anything and I waited up to hear it! I wanted to know what he had planned for this nation especially after all the other speakers just went on some tirade attack. So the nation tuned in last night to hear absolutely nothing. There was some good things about him being a P.O.W again but not much after that. He was supposed to lock in the indpendants and moderate swing voters with a comprehensive plan for the economy and how is going to fix it. He did however say he was going to fix it but didn't say how. He said he would get healthcare to more americans but didn't say how. he said he wanted to be energy and he actually said drill drill drill now, except it wouldn't produce a drop of oil for over 10 years! So we who stayed up, tuned in to hear him say something to convince us that he was going to do something other than the same deal we have now but got nothing. That's too bad because his base will vote for him no matter what and that's to be expected just as dems will vote for Obama but there is a WHOLE group of voters out here that he didn't touch that Obama did. He explained what he was going to do, not what he wants. You may not like Obama and call him names and attack him but you have to remember one thing, if he is so bad and Mccain is losing to him, what does that say about McCain? He must be REALLY bad if he can't beat out someone bad. I listened to both he and Obama, Obama got my vote not cause all the hype, but he talked to the american people and he seems to understand. Not that John doesn't, just not as much. When you're not suffering from missed meal cramps, you can't talk intelligently to those who suffer from those cramps. John needed to connect with the average moe and unfortunately, he didn't to his peril. Sorry but he didn't convince anyone outside of the base and he needs more than the base to win.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Another comment in response to Mary. I honor and respect those who serve in the military. At this moment my son is somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean in a US Navy submarine. My father is a veteran of Viet Nam, Korea and WWII. His father is a veteran of WWI and his father served in the Army in the Civil War. I also have ancestors that fought in the Revolutionary War. My father is my hero - he is one of two officers that was not killed or wounded at the battle for Triangle Hill in Korea. However, while many consider my father to be a war hero, I would not consider him to be President.

I don't belittle my father's war experience or John McCain's and I certainly don't mock them for it. Like most American's, I respect and admire them for their sacrifice and service. However, sacrifice and service don't qualify one to be President of the U.S. and questioning their capability to lead is not mocking them either. It's a critical examination of the candidate's ability to lead, inspire and manage the Executive Branch and our foreign relations. John McCain's delivery last night of someone else's one-liners without explaning how we are going to deal with our economic mess, imigration and other pressing issues does not give me comfort that this MAVERICK is cabaple of becoming "Head of State."

Not mocking, just opinion.

Posted by: Capitol Hill resident | September 5, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I certainly don't mean to diminish John McCain's experiences in Vietnam or his status as a war hero. But the simple fact is that a Purple Heart doesn't automatically mean you should be president. And what never ceases to amaze me is how someone could be tortured for years in a "meaningless war" could actually be FOR sending other people's children off to fight "meaningless wars."
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im guessing it also has something to do with his two decades in the senate, and his reputation even among democrats (before they knew they would be running against him) for bi-partisanship and political courage.

just a guess.

also, im guessing that mccain didnt think vietnam was meaningless and im guessing he doesnt think that iraq is meaningless.

in fact, anyone who thinks the outcome in iraq is meaningless is out of their flipping mind.

while he puts on a good face, i think obama might, deep down, think iraq is meaningless. afterall, he also put on a good face about public financing and repealing NAFTA.

i suspect his recent shift away from his more dovish positions on matters of war and peace will all end up being exposed as just "overheated rhetoric".

Posted by: used to be for obama | September 5, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Mary wrote indicating that she was disgusted with the people who are "belittling " a war hero. I agree that belittling someone's military service and heroism is disgusting. But, I find it ironic that the party that finds McCain's heroism so compelling ridiculed and denigrated John Kerry's war experience and military honors in the last election.

Posted by: mjs | September 5, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

You are right, Mr. Lane, to have low expectations for McCain as a "demagogue." That is definitely Obama's department.
Jeez, where does the Post get its columnists from?


demagogue [(dem-uh-gog, dem-uh-gawg)]

A politician who seeks to win and hold office by appeals to mass prejudice. Demagogues often use lies and distortion. (See Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin.)

American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition


Perhaps McCain should have done like Obama and lined up college students with Ambercrombie & Fitch sweatshirts behind him so he could bolster his pop appeal?

McCain has been a Washington insider for 26 years. JOE BIDEN has been a Washington insider for 35 years.

Posted by: ttj | September 5, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

For those who think McCain is the guy to put the country first, consider the fact that for the past 18 months he has been pandering to the same groups of people that he fought against previously. He even picked a vice presidential candidate with no national security experience (his number one theme) because she fits so nicely with the extreme, right wing group of his party. So McCain is clearly not putting America first but rather the minority whose votes he feels he needs to get elected.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

McCain's speech had no substance nor style. If he really cared about inspiring his audience, McCain could have practiced, rehearsed, and gone over his speech many more times. Obama cared such that we learn the he writes his own "speech of his life", goes over it assiduously, and rehearses. That to me shows respect for his constituents and it shows integrity, to be true to one's task. McCain either thinks he will get the Independents anyway however he performs, and he has the Evangelicals in his pockets already. Some Republicans dismiss Obama's being eloquent as no big deal. These critics fail to realize that America rose to its power because of past great orators of this country. Lincoln could not have rallied the Union, FDR could not have inspired Americans to produce planes and tanks and weaponry to defeat the Nazis and Johnson to get the Civir Rights Act signed. Words have power and we should be careful and respectful it their use. Look at George Bush who is so inarticulate that he can't get his message across so he uses bombs. McCain is of the same mold. Palin is an uncouth unpolished rabble rouser fit for the Evangelical pulpit.

Posted by: M. Stratas | September 5, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

So we have Palin who sounded like a class clown running for school president and you have McCain who sounded like my grandpa telling me old war stories. Very compelling indeed.

Posted by: Ryan | September 5, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

EIGHT...

That's the number of times John McCain has managed to NOT EVEN VOTE on extending renewable energy tax credits this year:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/opinion/03friedman.html?scp=1&sq=mccain%20renewable%20enrgy%20tax%20credit&st=cse

http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/05/news/economy/renewable_tax_credit/index.htm

You're going to fight for me, John McCain?

~Prisoner of (Your Republican) War

Posted by: PO (Your Republican) W | September 5, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Mary wrote indicating that she was disgusted with the people who are "belittling " a war hero. I agree that belittling someone's military service and heroism is disgusting. But, I find it ironic that the party that finds McCain's heroism so compelling ridiculed and denigrated John Kerry's war experience and military honors in the last election.

Posted by: mjs | September 5, 2008 2:59 PM


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The curious thing, mjs, is that T. Boone Pickens, the guy who "sank" Kerry's swiftboat to the presidency, offered to pay $1 million to anyone who could disprove allegations by veterans who challenged Kerry’s Vietnam War record. Nobody has shown up to collect the $1 million. Kerry to this day has not provided the war records that Pickens called for.

Posted by: ttj | September 5, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

POW Pimp is more like it... I am so tired of hearing about him being a prisoner of war... With all due respect, there is a guy in the alley who ask for change who was a prisoner of war but I don't want him to be my president...Geez...

Posted by: Belle | September 5, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

All can empathize with McCain's plight as a POW. But in the past he said numerous times he was uncomfortable talking about it. Now to paraphrase Joe Biden, it's a noun and a verb and POW. Every Republican speaker alluded to McCain's Vietnam experience, and a video about it preceded his speech. Still, he went over it meticulously again. Hasn't everyone heard this story numerous times?

I think it is legitimate to say that McCain is now guilty of playing the POW card, certainly more guilty than Obama, who seldom mentions he's an African American (actually half white), of playing the race card.

Posted by: Dave | September 5, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

The champion of renewable energy?

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00141

So you're going to fight for me, eh, Mr. McCain?

~Prisoner of (Your Republican) War

Posted by: PO (Your Republican) W | September 5, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Mary,
Please explain to me when does being a "War Hero" and "Maverick" qualify him to run our country. Being a POW should have been foremost in him mind when defending a war that "his President" and now him thought necessary. Wake and see that this war was a shame just like the Presidency. We need change.

Posted by: Judy | September 5, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I am sooooo sick of conservative, liberal titles given. So I decided to look them up on webster dictionary. Here are the results.
conservative: what does it mean?
1: preservative
2 a: of or relating to a philosophy of conservatism bcapitalized : of or constituting a political party professing the principles of conservatism: as (1): of or constituting a party of the U(2): progressive conservative
3 a: tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions : traditional

liberal: what does it mean?
liberal suggests openhandedness in the giver and largeness in the thing or amount given . generous stresses warmhearted readiness to give more than size or importance of the gift . bountiful suggests lavish, unremitting giving or providing .

Which one do you want one who gives freely or keeps things as the way they are?

Posted by: mamta | September 5, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Even if that were true, the answer is Barack Obama.

replying to:
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John McCain doesn't have style to be sure, but he does have substance.
Barack Obama has style and no substance.
Who would you rather have as president?
Posted by: arlingtonresident

Posted by: Gary L1 | September 5, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

NOTHING!NOTHING, NADA!

Night focused in the independents and undecided voters following a poor strategy passing idea of peace and union. It was a cynical strategy! Therefore penultimate night the convention was full attacks and pathetic scenes...
McCain’s speech was weak and boring following strictly the strategy. It was ready, divided in parts and full pauses giving sleep in all us at home. McCain seemed a wolf pretending to be lamb ready to eat the sheep laster.
During the speech was very clear for all that McCain used the public to change of matter. He said funning things to stimulate applause or boo of the public, while he looked quickly in his ready speech new topic to speak. Ridiculous!
Speech full contradictions...
McCain said "I've found just the right partner to help me shake up Washington, governor Sarah Palin of Alaska." But in several interviews he said that had just 2 times with Palin in all his life.
How will reform Washington if Palin don’t know the job there? It did I remember the difficulty of Hillary Clinton to introduce Health Care in USA by first time. No sucess!
Any inteligent life knows changes or reforms happen when it is well known. How many times must to wait for changes USA? Of course! Palin does not know anything there.
McCain said: "I fought for the right strategy and more troops in Iraq, when it wasn't a popular thing to do." But he voted all time with Bush and never listened the opinion of the American people. It did sound like other Bush!
"We will drill new wells off shore, and we'll drill then now", McCain said. It seemed like a tranquillizer for lobbyists and big companies of oil, they are crazy to explore the reserves from Alaska.
Then after pathetic scenes, empty speeches and echoes lost in that convention, people from around the world should be doing now the following question: Is there intelligent life on Mars?
Nothing! Nothing, nada! McCain did not show any way for changes, reforms and alternative resources in his speech. The convention was boring again and I lost more one night.

Hugs from Brazil for all conscious citizens!

Posted by: Dalmo | September 5, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

John McCain's acceptance speech at the GOP convention was lacking in both style and substance. First, his experiences as a POW were indeed horrible. However, it is not necessary for the American people to know the details of ancient history. The POW experiences have absolutely nothing to do with the many challenges facing the USA in the 21 st century. Also, it is going to be a real trick for the GOP to market itself now as the party of change since their policies have been in effect for the past seven years and have resulted in one disaster after another. Finally, John McCain distorted the platform of the Obama/Biden ticket. Falsehoods about the other team are NOT the way to earn respect or the votes of the American people.

Posted by: Fl Voter | September 5, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

All pomp aside, and yes that is exactly what the conventions are... There was a time when I loved John McCain. However that all changed in the last two years.

1. He made a back room deal with Bush on using torture. After opposing it, he caved in to political expedience and made a deal.

2. After saying one of the great lines in politics "extremism, whether from the left or from the right is to be abhored." ..McCain eagerly embraced the Pat Robertson and the right wing evangalists.

3. Even with what we konw now, McCain still says invading Iraq was the right move. He embraces all aspects of Bush's foreign policy (minus the troop levels). He had the opportunity to stand up and say what was right. Instead he took the easy path and backed his party.

4. Economics. Economics. ECONOMICS. McCain has even admited this himself..he doesnt understand economics. He does NOT get it. And has never had to work the private sector.

Bottom line: McCain GAVE UP his independent status and position for political expedience and personal ambition. AND THAT IS WHY HE LOST MY VOTE.

The last 8 year have been horrible for this country. Lets not repeat the mistake. Remember folks, the definition of "insanity" is to repeat an action, resulting in the same outcome, but expecting something different.

Posted by: why McCain lost my vote | September 5, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

McCain’s speech had zero substance, just as his running mate’s did. Palin is a poor VP choice, because she’s not ready to pick up the reigns if McCain should pass away. Biden is a good choice because if something were to happen to Obama, he could carry on and competently do the job.

Posted by: miknugget | September 5, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

ttj

Actually a group did come forward claiming a series(10 I think) of factual errors in the Swift Boat book. They agreed to meet with Mr. Pickens, and I believe they agreed to bring verification of their charges. Mr. Pickens then indicated that the $1 million dollar "reward" only applied to the Swift Boat ad and not to the book or statements made by the Swift Boaters in their tours.

Posted by: MJS | September 5, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Replace "I was a POW" with "I had four tocuhdowns in one game" and you get Al Bundy of 'Married with Children' instead of McCain. McCain is such a loser. if it wasn't for his wife's inheritance, he'd be the old cranky guy everybody avoids.

Posted by: playa | September 5, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Mary says "You people are so disgusting, belittling a true war hero. This man fought and endured torture from the Vietcong, what have you all done with your life?"

Mary: tell me, did you say this in 2004 when John Kerry, a true war hero whose actions during AND AFTER Vietnam actually savd people's lives? Or were you right there on the swiftboat torpedoing his campaign?

A war hero is somebody who acts heroically and saves lives? Whose life did McCain save besides his own? And where is the honor in being tortured, and then coming home and voting to allow the CIA to continue to torture other POWs?

The party that came out strongly against our country's use of torture in this election is the DEMOCRATS. And my vote belongs to them.

Posted by: Martimr1 | September 5, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

This discussion is really interesting to me...

Sen. McCain gave the commencement speech for my graduation in 2001, and it was honestly the most moving and impassioned commencement speech I have ever heard (and I listen to many). He focused on the theme of service to one's nation and one's neighbors, and he honestly inspired me.

It is therefore with deep regret that I sat and watched his speech last night. Anyone who thinks this was a substantive speech is honestly deluding themselves just as badly as those who claim it was well delivered. Forget the yawns and notice how uninterested the crowd was in general until he mentioned cutting taxes and reducing the size of government. The only truly substantive comments he made were criticisms of his own party, and they did not play very well with the crowd. Red meat issues like loving one's country or cutting taxes are really just empty rhetoric.

How about explaining how you will cut taxes in a time of mounting deficits and a protracted war which you wish to continue, Sen. McCain? You claim that you will lower taxes - on who? millionaires? multinational corporations? Just explain it to us instead of using empty phrases which do nothing but push some kind of happy button on those among the far-right.

I am independent and strongly considered backing Sen. McCain. I have even said in the past that I would "eagerly" support him if he became a Presidential candidate. But that was Mr. McCain before he pandered to the religious right, embracing the hate mongers he once derided.

For all of his talk of reaching across the aisle, how can he now side with people who have such an exclusive, narrowly-focused world-view? They cry out against religious fundamentalists in the Muslim world for their desire to place the Middle East under a modern incarnation of Sharia, while they attempt to do the same here. This statement is not in any way meant to compare violent extremism to evangelical Christianity, but in a purely political context, their desires are the same.

Sen. McCain don't you realize that it's not even good enough to be a Christian - in order to play with this set one has to share EXACTLY the same biblical interpretation of the world, and the same evangelical interpretation of Christianity?

Now that he has selected a running mate whose appeal consists mostly of opposing sexual education, opposing abortion in all circumstances, and suggesting that biblical creationism should somehow be taught in schools, he has lost my support and moreover my respect.

I am hurt by this conversion, Mr. McCain. The reason I always supported you was that you put what you honestly believed to be right above party hegemony. Sometimes that meant being more conservative that I, and sometimes that meant breaking with your party. Either way I respected your decisions. Now your decision making is so transparently self-serving that I feel I no longer know who you are. Thus, I can no longer vote for you.

Posted by: Mike | September 5, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Who is Charles Lane, and how did he suddenly sprout up to be a columnist, passing judgments on presidential orataory?

Don't remember seeing any columns by him on matters political.

Posted by: Krishna | September 5, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

McCain's bragging about marching to his own drum scares me. Isn't that what George has done for the last eight years. Look at the mess he will leave in January.

Posted by: Glenn in Georgia | September 5, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans "swift boated" a war hero when it was convenient for their political ends. Now it's not okay to say anything against McCain because he was a POW. It was okay to criticize Hillary Clinton for feeling she was being treated in a sexist way, but now it's okay for Republicans to say that Sarah Palin gets a free ride because it's unfair to criticize her in any way because that would just be sexist. The fact of the matter is that Mrs. Palin has so little experience that it would be the joke of the century if the consequences of her becoming Vice President weren't so serious. Barack Obama's experience in community service shows that he knows he has the skills necessary to form coalitions and to organize people and groups to actually succeed in solving problems. I am sick of the negative ads and personal attacks that the Republicans have been using for years. Ask John and Cindy about the cost of food, utilities, gas, etc. Barack Obama just paid off his student loans. I'm sure they could tell you about the cost of groceries, utilities and such. I'm sure that Cindy McCain uses one of the seven kitchens each night to prepare dinner!!!!!

Posted by: Nancy | September 5, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Actually, McCain was never tortured by the Viet Cong, because he wasn't held prisoner by the Viet Cong - he was held prisoner in Hanoi by the North Vietnamese government - the NVA.

McCain may not have been tortured at all. His injuries were sustained in the crash of his plane and, possibly, beating by the people who found him.

Nevertheless, he did serve, and sacrifice for, our country. I respect him for that.

However, his repeated references to his experience as a POW, too numerous to count, is past pandering, and I now switch off when I hear him make one.

Based on recent polling, I don't believe McCain or Sarah Palin appeal to most young people or independents, and therefore I they are longshots to win in November. However, the corporate media are so careful with McCain that it's always possible...

Posted by: Libertarian Socialist | September 5, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

here's the difference between the Presidential Nomination speeches:

McCain gave a weak appeal for votes.

Obama gave a State of the Union address.

Posted by: baltanon | September 5, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Here's the problem with McSame's tired POW story:

He admitted that he got himself captured because he was a "maverick", but we should vote for him because he's a, wait for it... "maverick"

soooo,
what's his argument here?

A reasonable person (anybody that is an Independent), would conclude that if we let this maverick run the country, he will eventually crash it into the ground.
Not such a good image to base your candidacy upon Johnny boy.

Posted by: Palin is a LIAR | September 5, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain in 2008

Posted by: gary | September 5, 2008 1:18 PM

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Republicans for Barack Obama in 2008!

Posted by: GOP and ashamed of it. | September 5, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Well, Mr. Lane. Suggest you rouse yourself from your self-delusional snooze and look at the Nielsen ratings. Facts. Numbers. get out of the slow "lane". Nielsen will tell us how styrofoam Greek stacks up against flyover schlock. As for yur opinion. You know what they say about opinions, everyone's got one of those, as well.

Posted by: Relard Frondo | September 5, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

"There is no reasonable person, who is REALLY a Democrat, who could countenance, based on their policy platform, voting for the McCain-Palin ticket.

I simply don't believe it. You are not and never were a Democrat.

Posted by: Jerry"

Fella, I'm totally registered as a Democrat, and totally voting for McCain. You don't want to believe it, fine. And if you really think Obama cares about "change" rather than solely about his personal ambition, that's fine too. I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | September 5, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Uh, what happened. The reading was weak, McCain is still a decent and qualified Senator - but his speech making skills are abysmal.

I would be totally satisfied if he would just stop saying my friends to start every paragraph.

Posted by: Yoink | September 5, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Don't say bad things about McCain - he was a POW! If he tries to keep us in Iraq for 100 years, just remember, he was a POW! If he does nothing about the high unemployment rate and lack of affordable health care, don't worry, he was a POW! And if he runs up a huge debt and weakens the dollar, f-it!, he was a POW!

Don't you people understand, McCain was a POW!

POW! POW! POW!

McCain-Palin '08 - The Old Guy Was A POW

Posted by: D_L | September 5, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

hdyinglikeflies - Why not sell the bridge in Alaska, it also goes nowhere

Posted by: Schwank | September 5, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

McCain is trying to use the fact that he a POW the same way Rudy G tried to use the fact that he was mayor of NY on 9/11. Hopefully McCain's attempt will be just as disastrous. I really resent the GOP's tendency to drape themselves in the flag when they've stomped all over the constitution the past 8 years and misled the nation into an unnecessary war - those are not the actions of patriots. And I really resent the GOP's attempt to brand anyone who questions them or doesn't buy into the campaign spin as somehow unpatriotic - at this point, the most patriotic act I can imagine is to speak out against the republican party.

Posted by: Tom | September 5, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Z_Police | September 5, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I am shocked at the lack of public outrage and media scrutiny over one of Rudy Giuliani’s statements concerning "Islamic Terrorism" at this week’s convention:

I imagine they believe it is politically incorrect to say it. I think they believe they will insult someone. Please tell me, who they are insulting if they say, “Islamic terrorism.” They are insulting terrorists!

Giuliani has just claimed that Islam is such an embarrassment as a religion that even terrorists would not want to be affiliated with it. How can we claim to be even a remotely tolerant society when 10,000 people in a convention applaud such a statement?
Aaron Sacks
Alexandria Virginia

Posted by: Aaron Sacks | September 5, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse


Here's why McCain wants to be president - Just because. It was his ambition.

And it's why there's so little talk of issues. He has no grand vision for the country.


From his book "Worth The Fighting For," p. 373, published September 2002:

I didn't decide to run for president to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In truth, I wanted to be president because it had become my ambition to be president.

Posted by: Sandy | September 5, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain in 2008

Posted by: gary | September 5, 2008 1:18 PM
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Is that a question? I'm going to guess about 13.

Posted by: Lew | September 5, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Your all angry liberal hacks. You support a man who lies and leaves gaping wholes in his past. Obama will be revealed for who he is this month.

Posted by: Not A Lib | September 5, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse


Past his prime hardly gets it.

He's too old and too rickety to be president.

And his veep pick is a nasty mouth, know nothing hustler...who'd settle every question with what she thinks "God wants".

It's not funny, it's dmned serious! And i used to be a republican. Reagan WH, in fact.

Posted by: serious | September 5, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Really important question here.

Where was his flag pin? How can he be president if he doesn't wear a flag pin?

Oh, right - he was a POW. POW's are exempt. They're exempt from everything.

Posted by: Steve | September 5, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse


Didn't we hear somewhere that MCCain was not going to use his POW thing in the campaign?

Yes. Indeed. A clear statement. But it was about 95% of the convention story.

That's all McCain is, at thins point, the past.

Posted by: charming | September 5, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Fella, I'm totally registered as a Democrat, and totally voting for McCain. You don't want to believe it, fine. And if you really think Obama cares about "change" rather than solely about his personal ambition, that's fine too. I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.


Posted by: dyinglikeflies |
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Wow, everyone, gather around, dying is voting for McCain - stay steady, I know it is a shock (eyeroll). Honestly, after this week, with that VP pick, that you can spew that holier than thou garbage is as laughable as it is predictable...fella...

Posted by: flyswatter | September 5, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you ever see Barak Obama and Jimmie JJ Walker on the same stage....Think about it....Can you say "October Surprise"?

Posted by: Thelonemule | September 5, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Your all angry liberal hacks. You support a man who lies and leaves gaping wholes in his past. Obama will be revealed for who he is this month.

Posted by: Not A Lib
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it's HOLES!! When will you borderline 'tard trolls learn to spell? And it is LOSE not LOOSE!! And blah, blah... we have heard this empty threat before, Dr. Evil.

Posted by: Village looking for its idiot | September 5, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

McCain gave a boring speech when everyone wanted him to give an interesting speech - What a Maverick!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

With all the talk about the vietnam war, hero, POW, .... Can someone remind me why we fought that war?

Posted by: thor | September 5, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I only saw bits & pieces of McSame's speech-because I knew it was going to be more of the same "ole craap"-I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU SUPPORTERS OF JOHN MCSAME TO TELL ME WHAT HE FOUND SO LAUGHABLE-WHEN THE HECKLERS WERE ESCORTED OUT OF THE CONVENTION? IS THAT CRAZY OR WHAT? YOU WANT HIM TO BE "HEAD OF STATE"? MAYBE HEAD OF A MENTAL INSTITUTION--

Posted by: fanlue_89@hotmail.com | September 5, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

The truth is he didn't even look enthusiastic about his policies himself. And, I found myself getting confused as to what his message was. He has converted to conservativism, and decided all of those old maverick ideas of his are now not applicable, So what was he saying?
A picture is worth a thousand words and this picture was old, tired, and uninspired. I saw no maverick, no change, not even McCain.

Posted by: Madeleine | September 5, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Whay don't you Libs like a guy with 'nads?

Now, let's play the Liberals Theme Song:

I love you....You love me....
Someday we'll all be gender neutral
Just wait and see....

Posted by: Thelonemule | September 5, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Oh, if you liked Jimmie Carter, you're gonna love Obama..

You might even get that "tingling feeling" donw your leg...

Posted by: Thelonemule | September 5, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't agree more about his use of the word "fight". It totally put me off. Fight, fight, fight. Is that all the Republicans know how to do? I don't know about you but I'm fed up with fighting. And then there's the sheer hypocrisy and freudianism of its use. While talking of fighting everything and everyone he also talked of working in bi-partisanship. Ya, right. Fight, fight, fight. What a downer especially after the previous nights of negativity and personal attacks which made you realize these people are morally and mentally bankrupt.

Posted by: Audrey | September 5, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey LIbs,

Why don't you guys ever nominate a guy that likes America?

See you in Rehoboth.

Posted by: Thelonemule | September 5, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired of hearing about McCain "at least having substance" even if he has no style. I keep listening to him, looking for this substance, and have yet to find any, at least in candidate McCain. He's clueless on the economy, his foreign policy is more reminiscent of Stalin than Reagan, and his biggest campaign promise seems to center around the dismantlement of the Roe v. Wade decision and evangelical (aka ineffectual) sex-ed (leading to an inevitable rise in teen pregnancy, abortion rate, and the crime rate in 15-20 years). I suppose if your agenda is the further deterioration of our society, both domestically and internationally, he's chock full of substance. But it's sure not a substance I'd care to have at my dinner table.

Posted by: Substance? Where, I heard none. | September 5, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

With all do respect MS. Lane, there are still many of us in this country who believe in ideals like: honor, duty, country-first. Patriotism! I've always found liberal men to be quite week in the knees. The fact is McCain, unlike Obama, can actually point to a record of real accomplishment and bipartisanship throughout his long career of service. Obama doesn't even have a record, let alone a single accomplishment he can highlight.

Posted by: ILWoman | September 5, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I also want to add that I have no idea given all Maverick McCain's flip flops ... the latest being "experience matters" which has now pivoted to him and his VP with minimal experience now being the "change" candidate we can believe in ... I don't have a clue where he stands on anything. Why bother believing he's the change candidate when he could change his mind again and morph into something else? And then there's something about someone trying to horn in on someone elses original thought and make it their own that just reeks of ineptness and lack of inner vision and authenticity. Who wants the carbon copy when you can have the real thing? Anyone can copy. But its those who envision their message internally and then have the guts and grit to take it out into the world that inspires and sells. Strong and steady as she goes is Obama vs. Impulsive, Erratic, Wobbling, Copy-Cat McCain.

Posted by: Audrey | September 5, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse


You flabby Americans are such losers. You are going to cave in again, and vote Republican, because you are stupid, I can sense it. We make fun of you here in Europe. Americans are such clueless dumbasses.

I think you should vote Democrat, but you act foolishly in elections, you have no idea what you're doing. At first I felt bad for you, but when you re-elected Mr. Bush, I didn't. If you refuse to think I may as well take advantage of it. The American dollar has become so worthless we can now buy much more American property in the past, and still have plenty of dollar bills left to wipe my bunghole. You need to sell your property to pay for bombs in Iraq, and you are about to elect Mr McCain, who will keep you there, so property will become cheaper still. If you insist on being stupid and voting for Mr. McCain, I may as well keep taking advantage of you!

Posted by: LaughingAtAmerica | September 5, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse


I agree...booooooring. McCain has no ideas, no vision and no passion. Just half-hearted attempts to recycle the same old lazy lies and stupidity which is just not going to work this time. And what a sleaze that Palin is turning out to be.

Lamest. Ticket. Ever.

Posted by: sequoia | September 5, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

"You people are so disgusting, belittling a true war hero." Posted by: Mary | September 5, 2008 1:35 PM

That's funny. I thought YOU people did the swift-boating last time!

Posted by: Greg | September 5, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey LaughingAtAmerica: Nobody is interested in your pretend childish Eurotrash inferiority reverse psychology bullsh*t. Are you stupid?

Posted by: dAVE | September 5, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Many Americans at the end of McCain's speech last night felt relieved he remembered to zip up his pants, avoided drooling and maintained control of his dentures on those few occasions when he uttered something worthwhile.

Posted by: Slim2 | September 5, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

He bombed civilians in a war that may have been meaningless to us but was horrible for the Vietnamese. This is a hero? Please.

With all the Republicans worshipping him as a hero, I'm beginning to understand, finally, why Reagan laid flowers on those Nazi SS graves.

And don't tell me to love it or leave it. YOU leave.

Posted by: Chas | September 5, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Mary pretending to be outraged cried: "You people are so disgusting, belittling a true war hero."
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Oh, Mary.

John McCain has belittled himself through his petulant, miserable, hateful, backwards, sarcastic, whining, and sometimes bizarre (see Little Miss Jesus Mooseburger as VP) campaign. Because he went overseas 40 years ago to kill people and crash planes does not put him beyond scritiny and criticism.

Your pretend outrage and hiding behind misguided patriotism is just not going to work. McCain is a mean, miserable, warmongering little man who would be a TERRIBLE president.

Posted by: sequoia | September 5, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Mary pretending to be outraged cried: "You people are so disgusting, belittling a true war hero."
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Oh, Mary.

John McCain has belittled himself through his petulant, miserable, hateful, backwards, sarcastic, whining, and sometimes bizarre (see Little Miss Jesus Mooseburger as VP) campaign. Because he went overseas 40 years ago to kill people and crash planes does not put him beyond scritiny and criticism.

Your pretend outrage and hiding behind misguided patriotism is just not going to work. McCain is a mean, miserable, warmongering little man who woule be a TERRIBLE president.

Posted by: sequoia | September 5, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Mary pretending to be outraged cried: "You people are so disgusting, belittling a true war hero."
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Oh, Mary.

John McCain has belittled himself through his petulant, miserable, hateful, backwards, sarcastic, whining, and sometimes bizarre (see Little Miss Jesus Mooseburger as VP) campaign. Because he went overseas 40 years ago to kill people and crash planes does not put him beyond scritiny and criticism.

Your pretend outrage and hiding behind mock patriotism is just not going to work. Nobody who loves this country wants another Bush term. McCain is a mean, miserable, warmongering little man who would be a TERRIBLE president.

Posted by: sequoia | September 5, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

McCain is lucky he's a Republican. If he were a Democrat there would already be a "POWs for TRUTH" group out there lying about his service, claiming that he was a secret communist, etc.
Frankly we all know he was a POW and was tortured, blah, blah, blah - GIVE IT A REST GRAMPS! We've heard the story so many times it's been drained of any drama or meaning. McCain was captured, tortured, and so now we are supposed to vote for him even though all his ideas are wrong and he's changed from a Maverick to a Gelding?
As for Palin, every day more information comes out. She's a phoney. I heard she was a college freshman at 6 difference schools in years! WTH is that about? Goodness knows what the McCain camp will do when the next National Enquiror comes out with their "Sarahs Dark Secrets" issue.
BIG QUESTION!!
Will Palin drop off the ticket in weeks or days?
LittleQuestion - Is 'laughingatamerica' an American?

Posted by: Marc Edward | September 5, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey Dave!

Whether anybody cares about my psychology doesn't matter.
Your politics are financially relevant to me. You stupid Americans have no idea how to pick a President, and it's sad for you, but if you insist on being mindless, I might as well make money off you.
People are buying your property under your noses while you kooks argue about guns, gays, god, etc.......

Posted by: LaughingAtAmerica | September 5, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

If you're interested in seeing what's behind McCain's thinking and approach to life, you should pick up this week's "Newsweek" magazine. The cover story is very enlightening r.e. McCain's rationale for wanting to become president. Suffice it to say that the story doesn't inspire confidence in the kind of president he would be. And McCain's flip-flopping on issues large and small throughout his candidacy--as well as his own staff members' assessment that "you can never tell what John will do"--should make all of us very, very nervous.

Posted by: Perplexed in Virginia | September 5, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I PROUDLY WEAR THE LABEL OF LIBERAL!
It means I respect the rights of other Americans. It means I respect the Constitution. d

Posted by: TJ WILLIAMS | September 5, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Would someone just tell me what "victory" in Iraq will look like? My friend Senator McCain -- how does one "win" an occupation?

Yes, Senator McCain was in the Vietnam war -- and I'm glad he got out alive. That doesn't qualify him in any way to be President. And now he wants to tell us he and Governor Palin will "fix" Washington? Just who does he think has been in power all these years? Give me a plan -- as Senator Obama has -- and Senator McCain has not. Senator McCain's plan is four more years of "W". Not with my vote, anyway!

Posted by: joe | September 5, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

The sad truth is that Senator McCain is just too old, his moment having come and gone in 2000. Add to that a vice presidential nominee who is spunky but wholly unquaified, and what do you get? "Obama for President!"

Posted by: Ward | September 5, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

John McCain was a lousy pilot in Viet Nam, which is why he got shot. Now he will take all you dumbass American voters along with him! I can buy more of your property cheap, as the American dollar is becoming so worthless I use it to wipe my European bunghole! HAHAHA!!!!!

Posted by: LaughingAtAmerica | September 5, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Someone wrote: You people are so disgusting, belittling a true war hero.
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Need I point out the breathtaking hypocrisy of this statement given the unforgivable treatment given to John Kerry, a man who was honoroed with the Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts?

Belittled? The man was all but called a traitor. The childish responses of these republicans, their deep and incontrovertible hypocrisy, is something to behold.

They can dish it out but they can't take it. They can kick the crap out of Hillary, but fall on the floor in a hissy fit if someone dares say something about Sarah Palin.

They criticize Obama's speechmaking ability, but fall all over themselves to say how wonderful Palin's speech was.

On and on. I'm too tired to detail the many hypocrisies --Dan Quayle criticizing Murphy Brown for a child out of wedlock, but Bristol is a pean to moral heroism.

John McCain's a straight talking maverick who flip flopped wildly on a abortion, their supposed uncompromising issue. Zillionaires like Fred Thompson gets up there and pontificates abouit elites -- this after the crowd sneering mocks "community service."

They're disgusting.

Posted by: Monk | September 5, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

HeidiL .... you are so wrong ... Obama would only agree to 3 speeches, it will be a TKO by McCain because nobami can't talk without a speech .... and Biden will end up crying after Palin is done with him!
AND ALL YOU OBAMACONS WHO HATED HILLARY CAN STOP ASKING HER TO HELP THESE CLOWNS NOW!!
McCain '08
Hillary 2012!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

HeidiL .... you are so wrong ... Obama would only agree to 3 speeches, it will be a TKO by McCain because nobami can't talk without a speech .... and Biden will end up crying after Palin is done with him!
AND ALL YOU OBAMACONS WHO HATED HILLARY CAN STOP ASKING HER TO HELP THESE CLOWNS NOW!!
McCain '08
Hillary 2012!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Darlene Schmidt | September 5, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey Darlene!

You go girl, you're making me rich! With McCain your dollar will keep falling, and it's making me able to buy more of your apartments cheap. You US are the Wal-Mart for Europe now. You're stupid, but I may as well make money off it.

Posted by: LaughingAtAmerica | September 5, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I totally agree with Monk.

And, I would like to ad that Fred Thompson's abysmal performance in the primaries is probably based upon that he is an actor. It is easy to look authoritative and articulate when someone is writing your lines, ala Law and Order and his speech at the convention. But, to be articulate on the stump requires a different. skill. Plus, I think people who watch any actor and expect that person can personify that same image on their own is going to be disappointed.

Posted by: MJS | September 5, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Lane - another Obama shill on the WP payroll.

Mr. Lane, you do realize that more people watched McCain's speech than did Barrack Obama? That's got to be hugely disturbing to Obama supporters, especially since almost as many tuned in the night *before* McCain's unprecendented viewership to watch Palin speak.

To the poster who said he talked to ten women, none of whom watched the Palin speech - either you're a liar or you have very uninformed friends. I can't decide which one is more likely.

Barrack was almost matched by Palin and then was surpassed by McCain. Can you feel the winds of CHANGE blowing, Dems?

Posted by: johnwp | September 5, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

I tried, but I left in the middle to get something to eat.

Posted by: yogi | September 5, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I might agree with you Charles on the yawners, and hecklers along with the breif distruption of a women in the crowd. That was the most hightlighting part of McCain's speech I was changing channel and was watching CSI on cable because I can't stand to listne to McCain speak without drifting off to sleep. Could you blame the audience they had to do something to stay awake.

The real reason McCain didn't talk much about his issues is because their the same as Bush's. He is not about change he only trying to inminate Senator Obama by selecting Sarah Palin which is a scapegoat in a dress. And I a female and she is not what I represent. I am a mother and I would never expose my children like she has.

McCain has change his game plan so many times I think he's confusing himself. His campaign is not organized and the background was so disgusting I couldn't bear to look at it. Again the green background did not justice for McCain the only thing missing was the logos......

If I was a republician it would be ashamed to admit it because their convention was so boring and fake. Serena and Venus tennis match was more exciting to watch I could turn the channel...why didn't they get any media coverage.. or shout outs....

I can't wait for the debates in September Obama/Biden will finally show what their made of..

Obama/Biden - 08

Posted by: Jacie - San Leandro, Ca | September 5, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama and Biden are tearing the country apart. In order to bring the country together and end the partisan strife, Obama should concede now and withdraw from the race. He's just going to lose anyway.

Posted by: Dave | September 5, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Someone help me find a comprehensive definition for the word "McCaniac" or did he do it himself in his acceptance speech?

Posted by: cr budd | September 5, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

snore

Posted by: katman | September 5, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

My mother used to tell me that people know you by the company you keep. The old, tired, failed wing of the Republican party does not exactly say change to me. And then their is Sara Palin. The shrill, mean spirited speech she gave doesn't exactly invite Democrats into the fold. After listening to McCain's speech touting change and conciliation it seems somebody is off message. It's a good thing the runway put McCain in the middle of the people because it sure doesn't look like they came to him.

Posted by: Perplexed | September 5, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

As a Vietnam Veteran myself, I have to wonder how John McBush's experience flying a plane into the North Vietnam countryside qualifies him for the Presidency of the United States. I mean, does he plan on doing it again, or what? And couldn't just about anyone else crash a plane and sit in a jail cell just as easily? I've heard of lowering the achievement bar for Republicans, but now they disappoint us even when we expect nothing of them.

Posted by: Michael Murry | September 5, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm 64 yrs old & have been voting for a long time. At first I supported Clinton, I was to afraid O'bama was another Carter. (As much respect as I have for Carter, his was not one of the better presidencys.)

McCain was never in the picture. First and foremost, he was a Republican. It has been my experience that any time a Republican has held the office, the middle & working classes have suffered economically. Secondly, I firmly believe that McCain is a victim of untreated Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome, and I am praying for him, just as I do for all wounded vets.

So starting in June, I really started paying attention to Obama. I researched him, oddly avoiding his campaign website. I looked into his plans. I very carefully watched his body language. I watched how he related with his wife. I read speeches and watched the debate. This man is a leader. He knows who he is and has a good relationship with himself. He has a good relationship with God and wouldn't mind you having one too, however you might define it. He's a good organizer and a good judge of people. He has principles and they are the same as mine. My favorite is that you should treat everyone with dignity and respect. I'm going to vote for him and pray very hard that they don't kill him. They did that twice before you know.

Posted by: Kathleen | September 5, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

"Here you have a man, a Patriot in the best sense, who cannot fully raise his arms because of the sacrifices he made for us all, and we dare to criticize."

With all due respect, most of the comments posted here are not criticizing McCain BECAUSE of his service, or suggesting that he isn't a war hero. The quote above makes it sound as though McCain is somehow beyond criticism simply because he is, as most people have acknowledged, a war hero. The question for me, as a voter, is simply, whose policy issues reflect where I want this country to go in the future, and who do I think will be the best person to accomplish those goals? For sure, McCain's military service counts for something and deserves respect, but it doesn't trump fundamental issues of policy and vision.

Posted by: aaron | September 5, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what McCain and the Republicans are trying to do with the POW thing. Was McCain the only POW in Vietnam and as such, he should be rewarded with the presidency? Yes it is very honorable of him to refuse being release early and insisted on a FIFO system. But what does that mean for a presidential election? Again was he the only honorable POW at that time?

Gen. Clark was right on target when he said flying and fighter jet and getting shot down is not a qualification for commander-in-chief. The medium wrongfully made a big deal out of it. The Democrats are stupid not to vigorously defend Clark's statement. Honring the man's service does not imply we should swallow all his nonsense and reward him with the presidency, especially if even the Republicans did not do that eight years ago.

Posted by: Steve Chan | September 5, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

One commenter above said "McCain doesn't have style but he has substence."

Where? I mean really, where? One progam (free to the government, I assume) to supplant the wages of those going to community college to be retrained?

Supplementing incomes sounds pretty expensive to me. AND socialist. And, pray tell, where did those jobs go? Unless he's talking strictly about mortgage brokers, those jobs went overseas and he FAVORS tax breaks for the companies that SENT those jobs to China, or India, or Bangladesh.

Substance my a$$.

He's a noun, a verb, and POW, and he proved it last night, and so did the rest of the "hero worshippers" who ignored his OWN ADMISSION that he gave the enemy what they wanted when he WAS a POW.

Posted by: No Way, No How, No McCain | September 5, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

"The curious thing, mjs, is that T. Boone Pickens, the guy who "sank" Kerry's swiftboat to the presidency, offered to pay $1 million to anyone who could disprove allegations by veterans who challenged Kerry’s Vietnam War record. Nobody has shown up to collect the $1 million"

This is an out and out LIE. Kerry actually took proof to Pickens and Pickens refused to pay the money. I'd say he welshed on the deal, but I'm part Welsh.

Maybe we could change that phrase to "welched" on the deal in honor of Jack Welch, enemy of the working people.

Posted by: CalGal | September 5, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

"He's a noun, a verb, and POW, and he proved it last night, and so did the rest of the "hero worshippers" who ignored his OWN ADMISSION that he gave the enemy what they wanted when he WAS a POW."

With all due respect, that's not a fair criticism of the guy. I can't fault someone for giving in to torture and saying whatever his torturers wanted to hear -- I know I would have caved, and alot faster than McCain did. That's why it's so reprehensible to torture people, whether in a VC prison or in Guantanamo or anywhere else. Not only is it cruel, but it's pointless, too, because torture victims will agree to anything to make the pain stop. (And it's why I can't understand why McCain even thinks about equivocating on this issue.)

Posted by: Andy | September 5, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a hypocrite and a lie. She comes out of nowhere with a 2 bit education- (attended 5 colleges in 6 years). Brings the issues of Jerry Springer (pregers daughter and sleazy 18 year old tattoo boyfriend) to the front line of the white house and is currently in involved in a family scandal (no surprise here) somewhere back in her ice state involving corruption? I mean honestly is this women fit to lead our great nation in any capacity?
As if her drama wasn’t enough- her two biggest platform beliefs against abortion and creationism in schools and drilling in Alaska are completely contradictory of the facts she is living. She claims just say no is the answer and she couldn’t even get her daughter to follow that one?!??!?!? She claims creationism in school yet she wants to DESTROY ONE OF GOD’S GREATEST AMERICAN REASOURCES in Alaska to drill for oil and she proceeds to try to make a choice for every one in her ridiculous middle ages stance against abortion???? Well listen her Palin if you want to live in the ice and the snow, grunt and bleed in child birth 5 times- once while you are 44 years old and than raise a 17 year old pregnant teen in our your home as an example for your 5 year old daughter than you go right ahead. But I got news for you women- here in the mainland outside of the ice of Alaska that’s not quite how WE LIVE as women and as a result you had best pack your bags and all of your kids and return to your home to your previous job of hockey mom- PS thanks for the reality show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just remember to keep tuning in to James Dobson every night seems like you all got it right this far along- straight to early grandma land thanks to his leading of your 17 year old J

Posted by: OBAMA GIRL | September 5, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I think even McCain was bored with his speech. It was as if he wasn't even enjoying himself. He couldn't even smile with enthusiasm. Did you notice the way he put on that fake smile, then go right back into the speech as if the teller promoter said, "smile here, now!"

It was truly the worse speech over the last two weeks. I am still trying to figure out what is the plan of action.


Posted by: Jalexa | September 5, 2008 1:23 PM
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Easy. Distract from his sorry performance by attacking the Democrats and hoping he'll get elected by the skin of his teeth.

Posted by: SAGG | September 5, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama and Biden are tearing the country apart. In order to bring the country together and end the partisan strife, Obama should concede now and withdraw from the race. He's just going to lose anyway.

Posted by: Dave | September 5, 2008 7:45 PM
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Sounds like code for "Obama's a black guy, so he never really had a chance in the first place because of that." Figures.

Posted by: SAGG | September 5, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama will not lose. He is not in it just to win to be president. He is willing to make a change for the people of this nation. He will win because this country is not made up of Palin's with her ice, kids, and drama. This nation is not made up of people wearing 300,000 outfits like Cindy McCain it is made up of people like Obama who were given a opporunity to serve others and did so to create a better life for everyone.

Posted by: OBAMA GIRL | September 5, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I am just dying to know how this race is even close. At the beginning it was all about putting the partisan politics aside, the American people being sick of the same old partison rhetoric, with the politicians actually listening and catering to that. But SUDDENLY, the dream of ever being a united country again was trampled the minute McCain chose Palin for VP. I have really lost all respect for John McCain in this. What is to respect about someone who picks a virtually unknown VP and then laughs as she mocks "community organizers" who are in the trenches everyday, trying to help less fortunate Americans???? I work at a homeless shelter in Texas, a red state, and let me tell you....people are ANGRY. The insensitivy of that speech was just simple astounding. And THIS is what little girls have to look up to???

Someone PLEASE explain how this race is close. Thank you.

Posted by: Ticked off Independant Woman Voter | September 5, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Please, please fly the Gay Unity flag from this Blog...I love Obama...I love same-sex marriage, I love Rehoboth!!!

Chris Mathews, I getting a tingling feeling as well...But it's not in my leg...

Bonehug!!!

Posted by: Thelonemule | September 5, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

p.s. Obama Girl - you are awesome!!!!!! ;)

Posted by: Ticked off Independant Woman Voter | September 5, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Thank you independent women voter!
How insensitive of Palin to say those things in her speech against those who are in community service!!! If her Republican friends can bleed their self-righteous hearts over John McCain’s POW status than I sure as heck am going to bleed my unrighteous heart over the great service that you and your fellow shelter workers and all of the other public servants that work each day in our great nation to make everyone’s life a little better. Perhaps we can write letters to Cindy McCain for donations of her outfits which we can auction off to raise money for your shelter--- oh I’m sorry she will have to get back to us she is too busy shopping for another outfit to match the cast on her hand—pardon our poverty and shame we will catch up to her after she helps her husband finish counting their houses.

Posted by: OBAMA GIRL | September 5, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

The "Obama Girl" is a dude....

Posted by: Thelonemule | September 5, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama Presidency = The neutering of America

Bonehug!!

Posted by: Thelonemule | September 5, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

You know what- go ahead and fly the gay marriage flag, fly the rehobeth flag and any other flag you want from this blog. Of course to do so we had to take down your Repulbican flags of pregant unwed teen, the 300,000 outfit wearing flag, the destroy the wildlife flag by drilling in Alaska flag, the lets teach creationism in public school flag and tear down separation of church and state flag, and the flag representing Palins scandel in Alaska for government corruption. Are you for serious and sure that the gay rights flag is this countries biggest problem-- I really don't think so :-)

Posted by: OBAMA GIRL | September 5, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Readers who say that Obama is "all style and no substance" are clearly just regurtitating right wing political commentary. Read his recent speeches. Then take a break from your TV's, radios and favorite blogs and try coming up with an original thought.

Posted by: mds | September 5, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Palin and her clan could use some neutering if you ask me :-)

Posted by: OBAMA GIRL | September 5, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I think the Transgender menace known as "Obama Girl" is the single greatest threat this country faces.


Bonehug!!

Posted by: Thelonemule | September 5, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Flip-flopping on torture, voting for an unnecessary war, coddling up to neo-conservatives, voting with Bush 95% of the time, stacking a campaign with Lobbyists, overseeing record unemployment and foreclosures, deriding community organizers and enjoying the luxury of 7 houses while the average American struggles to keep afloat - does not a Reformer make!

Posted by: woody | September 5, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I actually agree with the part of the comment about being a threat. I can even understand your misconception that I am transgendered. After all if your standard of women is found in Palin no I did not give birth 5 times, no I do not approve of teen pregnancy, and yes I actually won the beauty contest I entered and was not a runner up like the repulican dream women Palin. Oh and Palin's whole 5 colleges in 6 years trick-?? I can't meet that record either- I just did 2 colleges in six years with 3 degrees count them quickly now- BA, MA, and PhD do me a favor lend your girl Palin a help with this she might just get lost in the math- all of that ice has given your girl brain freeze. Now lets see- if that makes me Transgender and non female I just have one question- Does it also mean that I get to dress in expensive over the top drag outfits like CINDY MCCAIN?? goodie goodie goodie...that should really be fun :-)

Posted by: OBAMA GIRL | September 5, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

The only reform McCain wants to make is that of his own pockets on the backs of all of America. He and his wife are of the Dick C. persuasion- make my company rich at the expense of government contracts!! Haliburton and Henessy and drilling in Alaska can we make them any richer- wait I think I have 10.00 of equity left in my house I'd better run now else McCain and Palin might need it more than Bush and his VP who took the other 100,000 for their war in Iraq. Geez war probably wouldn't have even cost so much if they weren't lining their pockets at the same time.

Posted by: OBAMA GIRL | September 5, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse


Noun, Verb, “Tweety” McCain was a Viet Cong collaborator.

http://www.counterpunch.org/valentine06132008.html

FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

Posted by: Marc Schlee | September 5, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Wow, McCain is stiff. Hmmmm I wonder why. Maybe it's because he had his arms broken repaetedly and he can't raise hins arms over his head. I can not support a party that plays with the aclu, nwo, al sharpton, barbara striesand, spike (racist)lee, Jim Mcgreevey, John( tax me to hell) corzine. Ed REndell ( who is more worried about hosting an eagles post game show than actually governing). other idiots like Keith ( isucked on ESPN) Oberman. Bill(extremely not funny)Mahr. and most of the hollywood a holes Oh and last but not least that fat F er Michael ( never missed a meal) Moore. I probably forgot a few help me out will you

Posted by: jim | September 5, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

They never talk about evrything Cindy Mccain has done in this world with Project smile and the volunteer medical trip all over the world. The only thing you here is she has 7 houses. Well for all she has done and donated through the many years. All you hear is she has 7 houses!! WOW!! people are so cruel!

Posted by: Jim | September 5, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

PRESENT

Posted by: Jim | September 5, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm completely dissatisfied with Obama and McCain. One has consistently been opinion-less and the other appears to be a party puppet. The best part of the conventions was the comedic mud flung from one party to the other.

America is sinking fast. Too many of us are only concerned for ourselves and not looking out for our fellow man. Politicians are typically the worst at this, but only because their hypocrisy is magnified to the world. I know 'Bama keeps talking like he's all for changing america, but he doesnt seem to realize we don't have any more money for him to tax. At least McCain claims to want to cut crazy spending. But who knows how much longer he will keep us at war.

so... who else is out there that is actually worth voting for?

Posted by: disgusted independent | September 5, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

John will bend her over and beam her up.

Feminazies are yeaterday


Posted by: aman | September 5, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Its kind of interesting that American Rangers were allied with Vietnam guerrillas (specifically Ho Chi Minh) during WWII. Due to political maneuvers to appease France's De Gaulle after that war, we end up in the 1960s fighting a stupid war where Mr. McCain crashed his plane. Perhaps this hero will end up really crashing the American economy, for we are certainly now on that trajectory. IMO, our fragile economy is what is worth fighting for, so consider your vote carefully.

BTW, I believe you can read about this in one of Barbara Tuchman's great books, "The March of Folly: From Troy to Vietnam".

Posted by: Bob | September 6, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Dragging out the POW card daily and with sneering prejudice is sheer overkill.

Victims are all about themselves, even as they demand reparations from others for their sacrifices. McCain is saying we owe him for his sacrifice.

I didn't realize there was such a high price tag on sacrifice. And if there is a price tag, is it truly sacrifice?

Posted by: somerseten | September 6, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

I very strongly believe that John "Bail Out" McCain has a phobia. When he is in a certain physical enviroment his anxiety increases to the point of a panic attack and the he performs an abnormal act. What could that act be?

Posted by: ghostcommander | September 6, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

Who is the real Sarah Palin?

1) Bridge to no where supporter.
2) Abramoff associated earmark lobbyist hirer .
3) More earmark pork barrel money then any other state getter.
4) ethics committee dodger.
5) Media dodger
6) Alaska cession booster
7) Book Banner
8) loyalty test wholesale staff firer.
9) 527 on indicted Ted Stevens director.
10(Seeker of 15 million dollars from washington to build a train to Ted Stevens ski resort asker.
11) Alaska national guard not giving a single order issuer.
12) Sermon about Israel having terrorists because Jews won't accept Christ attender.
13) Vendetta with official powers pursuer.
14) Bad EBAY seller.

And today the McCain camp said they will not have Palin do interviews unless its in their best interests. I wonder why.

Posted by: Hillary Supporter 2 | September 6, 2008 2:41 AM | Report abuse

Mary wrote: "You people are so disgusting, belittling a true war hero. This man fought and endured torture from the Vietcong, what have you all done with your life?"

Hey Mary, STFU, already!!! This is a democracy, remember, and we can say whatever we want. What we have done with our lives is a) none of your business, and b) irrelevant to our right to say what we want. Enough already of the "true war hero" stuff - nobody is criticizing him for his military service or heroism in bearing torture at the Hanoi Hilton. If he had simply been a true war hero who trotted out on Veterans' Day to receive praise, that would be fine, but he got into politics 26 years ago and now he wants to be president, hence he is a public official who must be open to scrutiny and criticize about his record, policies and views. That's the way it works, and POWs don't get a pass on it. If he can't stand the heat, he should get out of the kitchen.

Posted by: Marecek | September 6, 2008 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Dubs wrote: "Do think that Obama 08, has a 'how to treat Good Terrorist-For dummies' handbook or are going to let them have a get out of jail card free, if they swear not to kil, kill, kill again? When is the Flag burning ceremony?
Obama bin-biden 08"

Gee Dubs, thanks for that real insightful comment on the Democratic Party's '08 platform. Somehow, in all the fuss, I missed it. Definitely going to vote for McCain/Palin now that I realize the Democrats are really the pro-terrorist party. Who knew?

Posted by: Marecek | September 6, 2008 7:13 AM | Report abuse

This Just In:

Obama Girl Switches Sides...

Now Supports Pee Wee Herman for Pres...

Changes name to the WEE WEE Girl

Bonehug!!!!!

Posted by: Thelonemule | September 6, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

i'll give palin my god-like pipeline

Posted by: hermano | September 6, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Mary said (twice): "You people are so disgusting, belittling a true war hero. This man fought and endured torture from the Vietcong, what have you all done with your life?"

1. "You people" is almost always a clue that everything that follows those two words is going to be rage-filled invective that isn't particularly well-reasoned.

2. As another poster noted, John McCain was NOT tortured by the Vietcong. You might want to find out more about his service, if it's so important to you.

3. Did you sport a purple-heart band-aid on your face during the 2004 Republican Convention? If not, did you condone it?

Posted by: VCD | September 6, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

CalGal

I wasn't the one defending T. Boone. I'm the one who originally raised the double standard demonstrated by the Republicans--lionizing McCain's war service and denigrating Kerry's.

In addition, when my assertion was challenged, I responded with information indicating that a group did challenge Pickens and then Pickens backed off of his "guarantee" by saying he would not pay for misstatements/lies made by the Swiftboaters in their book or on their tours. His offer was only good for inaccuracies/lies in their TV ad.

I agree with you that he "welched" on his offer and I'm disgusted by the hypocrisy of McCain's service qualifying him for the presidency while Kerry's service was criticized, mischaracterized and denigrated for purely political purposes.

Posted by: MJS | September 6, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Senator McCain's purpose was to highlight the difference between President Bush and himself. Those who are blinded loyalists of Obama wouldn't see that and will argue against that fact. There is plenty of time on the campaign trail and in debates to highlight what his plans are for the economy and the nation. He spoke about his war experience to educate those who don't know him and to give them an idea about his integrity and his humbleness. At stark contrast to be sure against B. Hussein Obama and his gigantic ego. There were no self commissioned presidential seals, no fantastic lightshow, no rented stadium and no hollywood greek stage set. All those things make for good entertainment value ala superbowl halftime show but at the end of it all, we saw the true nature of each man. One a self absorbed man, eating up and exploiting his rock star status and one, who through love of country and sacrifice to country wants to see a better stronger America and who tried to appeal to the best part of Americans, our strength and not the victimization of Americans with the idea that the country owes them something other than freedom and opportunity and national security.

Posted by: dawn | September 6, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

As far as Kerry's service being used against him and McCain's being an asset the following holds true: Kerry got a couple minor skin lacerations and received purple hearts. Once he was home he dishonored his fellow servicemen by throwing them under the bus and basically calling them rapists and murderers "reminiscent of Ghengis Khan". McCaine on the other hand suffered greatly (real physical torture that left him unable to lift his arms to his shouldner, not waterboarding) and refused early release because he didn't want to speak ill against his country. Two very different experiences but if you are a left wing zealot, you would probably do just what Kerry did and think his actions heroric and McCains stupid.

Posted by: dawn | September 6, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Dear Dawn,

Your comments are simply baffling. The hipocrisy level has really hit new heights with this! It's shameful to minimize a man's service to his country... Except when the Republicans see it fit? so you do condone the purple bandaid actions?

Just like Virginia is one of the smallest states, adn in comparison Wasilla the second largest city in Alaska?

Just like Hillary Clinton runs crying from the "boys" and hides behind Apron strings, but Palin is being attacked for being a mother and a woman?

Just like teen pregnancy is a family's private affair and NOT A BIG DEAL because all kids do what kids do and the parents have nothing to do with it?

Just like McCain used to be concerned that a lot of young girls are going to be running around performing illegal abortions as it is/was john McCain concern?

I'm tired of these Republican Double Starndards! I'm tired of BUSH, John McCain's speech was word-for-word BUSH'S SPEECH BACK WHEN HE WAS ELECTED, except McCain is a TRUE war hero unlike George AND some of Obama's own slogan sprinkled here and here.

I love and admire John McCain for what he WAS. A true HERO, a Maverick, A REBEL. And I would like to spare him the humilliation of losing all self respect! He needs to be remembered the way he was - HE NEEDS TO QUIT WHILE HE IS AHEAD.

Posted by: GIGI | September 6, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse


From:
Head of State
http://tinyurl.com/65hxld

Saturday, September 06, 2008
What Are The Duties of The Mayor of Wasilla?

Given that Sarah Palin has been Governor of Alaska for less time than John McCain has been running for President, and that, given McCain's age, she could well become President, it is important that we look at the duties that she had in her major position in government--Mayor of Wasilla, Alaska.

Here, direct from the City of Wasilla, are the entire duties of the Mayor of Wasilla (population 9,700). These are the complete duties, as listed by the city:


The duties of the Mayor of Wasilla can be found in Wasilla Municipal Code 2.16. For your convience, the duties are outlined below from WMC 2.16:

Chapter 2.16 MAYOR

2.16.020 Power and duties of mayor.

A. The mayor is the chief administrator of the city, has the same powers and duties as those of a manager under AS 29.20.005, and shall:

1. Preside at council meetings. The mayor may take part in the discussion of matters before the council, but may not vote, except that the mayor may vote in the case of a tie;

2. Act as ceremonial head of the city;

3. Sign documents on behalf of the city;

4. Appoint, suspend or remove city employees and administrative officials, except as provided otherwise in AS Title 29 and the Wasilla Municipal Code;

5. Supervise the enforcement of city law and carry out the directives of the city council;

6. Prepare and submit an annual budget and capital improvement program for consideration by the council, and execute the budget and capital program as adopted;

7. Make monthly financial reports and other reports on city finances and operations as required by the council;

8. Exercise legal custody over all real and personal property of the city;

9. Perform other duties required by law or by the council; and

10. Serve as personnel officer, unless the council authorizes the mayor to appoint a personnel officer.

B. The mayor may appoint a person to the position of administrative assistant and deputy administrator. If appointed, the positions may not be eliminated during the mayor’s term of office without prior consent of the mayor. (Prior code § 2.16.010)

From
Head of State
Cite: http://tinyurl.com/65hxld

Posted by: Robert Hewson | September 6, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Just want to add my voice to the idea that Mary's outrage, and that of her fellow Republicans, is galling. Not just because NOBODY is belittling McCain's service or ordeal (we're not), and not just because these same people had NO hesitation in denigrating John Kerry's service (and Purple Hearts). But rather because no matter what someone does in their life, no matter how noble, it does not excuse everything else they then do. Like abandoning his disfigured wife and three kids for an heiress 25 years his junior. Like utterly flip flopping on his fundamentals to the point of opposing his OWN legislation. Like publicly laughing at the then President's Chelsea Clinton's "ugliness" as a young girl, and then feigning outrage at the idea that the press might want to question his junior college-educated VPs credentials and the idea that there might be interest in the pregnancy of her 17 year old daughter (nice work on that abstinence only education).

Military service, no mater how honorable, does not necessarily qualify one to be president. We have millions of veterans in this country. And thousands of former POWs - thousands. Are they all automatically qualified? People act like McCain was America's only POW.

Posted by: justin | September 6, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

MCCAIN WAS A MEDIOCRE PERSON HIS WHOLE LIFE. ALL HE HAS IS THE POW CARD. COULD ANY BIG COMPANY HIRE SOMEBODY WHOSE ONLY BACKGROUND HIGHLIGHT IS A POW?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 6, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

The continuing ability of the Amurican peepul to ignore their best interests in order to enjoy the equivalent of a food fight is simply astounding.

McCain's biggest achievement in life (other than marrying money) has been to cultive an image as a 'maverick', when he is in fact a very accomplished panderer. He will literally say anything to be elected president. The entire impression he gives is that he is entitled to the office, while saying absolutely nothing of what he would expect to do as president. Fortunately, his voting record in the Senate leaves no doubt: more tax cuts, more wars, and 95% of the population of the country be damned, particularly those who are careless enough to go off to fight.

Meanwhile, his choice of Sarah Palin represents the height of cynicism and shows, if it was not already crystal clear, that he has zero interest in making government work, only in using government influence for his own benefit and his friends. It is ludicrous that in a world this complex, with the mountain of problems that the U.S. faces, an inexperienced, pitbull-with-lipstick christianist former member of the Alaska Independence Party with zero knowledge of, or interest in, foreign affaris, should be seen by a significant percentage of the electorate as a valid choice.

The United States is in big trouble.

Posted by: Bsinj5645 | September 6, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

There are no legitimate reasons to vote for John McCain. He could have delivered his speech on a unicycle over a tight-rope and he still wouldn't deserve to be president. McCain is a corrupt lobbyist-driven adulterer. Obama is an honest reformer and loyal husband and father. I know their fidelity to spouses shouldn't matter but given the intellectual level of most Republicans and independents, this is an argument that may work.

Posted by: KRXAhal | September 6, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

The IP Addresses of all who contribute to this Blog should be passed along to the Angry Gay Left.

Bonehug!!!!!!!

Posted by: Thelonemule | September 6, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

You can always recognize the conservatives on message boards:

- Baseless attacks
- Innuendo
- My favorite, AD HOMINEM attacks against rational arguments

Every time one of them attempts to present proof, it's immediately shot down. They continue to mention Rev. Wright and Rezko while ignoring Palin's ties to a secessionist movement as well as her shady campaign finance dealings and her flat-earth beliefs.

Posted by: James King | September 6, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Dawn please- presumptious McCain who wants all the world to ride on his old coat tails to fairy tale reform while he voted 90% of the time with Bush is the one who is the enemy. Obama speaks from the heart and if this country is too blinded to understand that and see that the honor that the Democratic party gives him with fanfare and florish is a tribute to his greatness than that is there problem. Republicans could have given the same welcome to McCain if they hadn't had to waste so much airfare flying out to Alaska to pick some wayward attempt at Motherhood and all of her family to assume the vice presidency. I just marvel at how many wonderful, morally clean and competent women they passed up to choose before their plane finally landed at that Palin women's igloo.

Posted by: Speaking | September 6, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I take it back. After reading James King's comments I'm sure Angry Gay Left already knows each of you personally.

Bonehug!!!!!!!

Posted by: Thelonemule | September 6, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

McCain the vet. His election could be the revenge of Uncle Ho. They could have killed him when he was a POW but by not, there's the possibility that by our electing him, the USA and the West can demise more swiftly from the ill judgement of GW Bush and McCain's Bush 3rd term. How does an tiger eat an elephant?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 6, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS:

John S. McCain is a POW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did anyone else know this?

Posted by: The Democratic Warrior | September 6, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

MORE BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!

MY NAME IS FRED AND I'M WEARING WOMEN'S UNDERWARE!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: The Democratic Warrior | September 6, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

John McCain's maverick title might be translated to mean loose canon. I cannot beleive so many people are on the verge of being duped - again! That conservative Palin with her pregnant teenager is now the accepted standard....anyhow we have all forgotten about all the republicans that ended up in jail for corruption and the supporting cast of "conservative" pastors caught with their pants down!

Posted by: V Martin G | September 6, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Gigi, I got the part of the hypocrisy and the fact you're not sure how Palin got selected (much like we Republicans are baffled by your side selecting a completely unqualified person who counts terrorists, racists, marxist and communists as mentors and friends over much more qualified candidates such as Bill Richardson and yes, as much as it pains me, Hilliary Clinton to run for president). The rest of your blog, I have not an idea what you are sayin; its a jumbled mess. By the way, when you get your head out of the sand, Democrats are just as hypocritical...its called politics.

Posted by: dawn | September 6, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Speaking, Obama speaks from the heart??? Funny how two people can see things so differently. Also, Obama is a student of Saul Alinsky (not a real student but studied his books on community organizing). Saul's philosphy of attaining power is to say anything and do anything. Actually, now that I think about it, I do believe Obama speaks from the heart he says he will raise taxes on businesses, personal income (which will affect small business owners who are not incorporated), investment, capital gains, atm and redistribute wealth to those who pay no taxes AT ALL. I'm just now sure how that will bring jobs to the country; doesn't really jive with those economic classes I took in college. I also believe he is speaking from the heart when talks of universal healt insurance, a sure fire way of bankrupting the country and future generations even sooner than if we just waited on Social Security. I suppose he is speaking from the heart when he plans on pulling troops out of Iraq when we are beginning to turn over certain parts of the country to Iraqis themselves and his commitment to meeting with terrorist nations without condition. Yes, now that I think about it, you are right and I am wrong. Obama Will change America...its just America doesn't need changing. I believe every word that he says and its frightening.

Posted by: dawn | September 6, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

dawn, if you could just quit making all the transfer payments to defense contractors, wall street bankers, and saudi princes you might be able to make a dent.

Posted by: Jim | September 6, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Lame, Lane-Very lame. For someone who has already lost the election McCain sure stirs up a lot of hatred with the political zealots. If he's doing as badly as everyone says why is everyone trying to get him sympthey votes by being mean and acting like playground bullies, calling names and personal attacks on families. This will do nothing but help McCain, everyone has already heard everything. The only ones who care are the left wing fanatics who love to hear talking points repeated and repeated and repeated...alright already, we heard you, your as bad as a women, won't shut up. Thats why we can never have a women in the White House. Someone needs to focus on who passed all the laws the last few years, they're the real guilty parties.

Posted by: Lodie | September 7, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Didja Fox News' one-hour special on Sarah Palin?

There is a report --- unconfirmed at this time --- that Obama messed himself during the airing of this program.

Like Chris Matthews' said, this gal is a torpedo --- aimed right at Obama. (Someone must've slipped Matthews some truth serum in his drink.)

Posted by: Victory Dance | September 7, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

What has Barack Obama ever done?

This what I gather after watching a lot of shows ...

--- He organized his community (what does that mean? He made it less messy?)

--- He helped pass a law that forces senators to stand up while eating lunch with lobbyists (not bad ... but not big stuff either)

--- He ran for president

Is there anything I missed?

Posted by: Inquisitive | September 7, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Cande/Wonderring Do either one of you have the slightest idea what it takes to be someone who is willing to die for people who will critize them for doing so? WHO DO YOU THINK KEEPS YOU FREE? Washington? Washington does nothing to contribute to the welfare of America-The working people of America do that. Not the elietes sitting in their ivory towers in colleges and government offices across this country. Warriers keep you safe and free-someone has to be able to kill the wolf at the door or everyone dies.Anyone can kill a unborn child, it takes a soldier to fight a human enemy bent on killing the "soft" Americans, and I include all law enforcement when I speak of the real warriers.

Posted by: KarlMarx | September 7, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

The people of Germany perfered someone who could give an inspiring speech too. Remember Hitler? When did speaking skills equal good leadership? By your measure of a leader because he can give a good speech, you guys should have loved Reagan. Jerrimah Wright gives a good speech too.

Posted by: LarryA | September 7, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Palin is just as good a speaker as Obama, maybe better.

Too bad, so sad, Obama.

Posted by: TruthMan | September 7, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Now, wait a minute.

I am tired of this "damning with faint (read sarcastic) praise" trend in talking about Obama. I read it as racial prejudice. Certain people talk about Obama in a negative way about skills and traits they wouldn't find unattractive in a white male running for president, or a black male not seeking to rise above his "station" in life. For example,

-- Obama's "speaking skills" (source: preparation),
--"ambition" (McCain's not ambitious?), or
--"community organizing experience" (America is not a community?) I'd love to see it organized and moving.

As much as I hate to see race enter into this, I know discrimination when I see it.

Posted by: Kathleen | September 7, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

TruthMan:

Despite her pedestrian style and slightly nasal voice, I agree that Sarah Palin is a "good speaker" as far as basic oratory skills, but in comparing her to Barack Obama, what she lacks is a major element: inspiration. Like her running mate, she is incapable of bridging a vision that relates to the 21st century. She can only reach backwards and grab at the slow-walkers who want to stroll through familiar territory and enjoy the security of known terrain, such as the glorification of war, planet-stripping of natural resources, the tamping down of dissension, imposition of an arbitrary moral code, racism, classism, boot-strap approach to health care and economics, and on and on... Reverse positions on the preceding points, and you have a constructive, positive paradigm for the future.

It is this forward-moving, forward-thinking paradigm with which Obama resonates and which seems to be instantly recognizable here in the U.S. as well as the rest of the world. It inspires. It is the flame of Obama's message. Coupled with his communication skills, he emerges hands-down the leader in the Obama/Palin *speaking* match-up. Yes, Palin can absolutely rouse and crackle us, but sadly, she cannot address our longing for a better world...

Too bad.

Posted by: TruthWoman | September 7, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I guess the left gets real critical when a man doesn't make outrageous promises he can't keep if elected. (Remember Hilary's healthcare promise when Bill was elected? Never happened.) The left really despises a man who has principles, morals and a work ethic. I guess McCain didn't offer up enough free gifts and prizes to the socialist base who criticise him. Maybe if he offered more paid days off from work, a huge central government to help raise the children and higher taxes to pay for it all, the Democratic base would think more of Mr. McCain.
What would be great to see in this country is more personal responsibility by individuals. I know that is a tall order after years of people depending on the unions and the government to think for them and provide for them and trick them into thinking they are 'making it'. I am making it without the aid of a large central government or a labor union or a failing public educational system's diploma that promotes both. Unionized government positions at the local, state and federal level are killing this country. They keep promising more to their employees for less production and less efficiency. They are reaching into our pockets to help pay for their poor performance. This is "bad business". I am anti-union and proud of it. I am pro free-enterprise and proud of it. How many people on a picket line are proud of themselves? Are they proud when they meander slowly back to their work station after being forced to throw a tantrum in the streets, in snow and rain, and with an increased hatred for anyone that wears and suit and tie? Are they proud when they take their leave from the picket lines, storing the signs for next time, yelling things to their fellow picketers like "See you next time...don't work too hard". Phrases like: "Take it easy", "don't work too hard" and "it's not my job man" are staples of the union vernacular. Possibly too is "above my paygrade" but I digress. Do union members feel proud that they have squandered their union dues for the "right to act like beggars" in the streets. Here's a hint, fix the problem, like a normal business does and you won't have a strike every few years. Is it a coincidence that 2 married union workers average just under the $250,000 required to get a tax break? If all goes along as planned, Democrats get a two-for one vote in those households. Union workers love union workers---misery loves company. A college degree also qualifies you for tax breaks in many cases. It should, it's way overated and not worth the paper it's printed on unless the individual who gets one is motivated enough and aware enough to understand that profit is a good thing. I won't get a tax break under either prospective president's plan. I make too much money. I have profited by good old elbow grease and honesty to a fault. I am proud to say profit is an especially good thing when it allows one to be free from the bondage of organized labor and it's antiquated value system. It's just a matter of time that low expectations on productivity and efficiency and rejection of the free-enterprise system will make pride of a 'job well done'--scarce. I realize there are people that aren't capable of supporting themselves due to mental and/or physical infirmaties and I'm happy to say I help and support them financially. Yet, inculcating this dependency theme on healthy, sane, able-bodied humans disgusts me. I strive to be above average in all areas of my life, financially, spiritually, emotionally and physically. And if I start falling behind on those goals, I don't pick up a sign, walk off my job and throw a tantrum, demanding someone 'fix me'. That is why I'm voting for McCain. He shares that vision. His opponent is pandering to the foolish, the decieved, the misguided, the irresponsible, the emotionally crippled, the unprincipled, the unmotivated, the lazy, the shiftless and overall, the least proud and least productive people in our society. The Democratic party has done this artfully over the last 30 years and will continue to do so as long as there are willing volunteers who buy into their flawed ideals. Unfortuantely, almost half the country lacks the backbone to oppose this slow, painful, degradation of personal responsibility because it's just, simply, too easy.

Posted by: Steve C | September 7, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Truth Women-Every evil dictater this earth has knowen had the power to inspire-so whats your point? Reagan had the power to inspire, I guess you supported him too?Words are powerless without action, the Ptesident has no power to do anything unless the house and senate give him permission. Nothing gets done if they don't approve of it, like FISA. Charles Manson was another inspiring speaker you would probably like, if he only wanted to butcher Republicans

Posted by: Marx Bro | September 7, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

My husband and I were disappointed that we didn't TIVO the speech - I have many sleepless nights and turning on that speech again would have been more effective than any pharmaceutical I have found.

Posted by: BuffaloinDenver | September 7, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Aaron Sacks-What are you smoking? Where's the quote saying Islam is an embarising religion? Islam is a very serious religion, sharing many early leaders and beliefs with the Jewish religion, the religion of Jesus Christ and his aposeles before converting to Christ.
As far as inspiration, it's all in the eye's of the beholder. I'm sure Democrats are going to be inspired by Obama more than others, the same goes for McCain. Anyone can claim to be anything when they criticize a Republican or Democrat, but it doesn't change the fact that everyones opinion won't affect anyone else vote. Hate McCain if you want to, I don't think he'll lose any sleep over it(Who cares if bigots nhate you)no more than Obama lost sleep over the Democratic bigots who wouldn't vote for him in the Primaries. And I don't think the sexism will bother Sarah any more then it bothered Hillery. Women are "like" that. The only people that get outraged are the fanitical zealots on the extremes in either party and no one listens to them because they have no creditbility except in their own little cults.

Posted by: Lodie | September 7, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Buffaloindenver-Why don't you just drink yourself to sleep? When you guys were in town the bars did great business-no one abuses alcohol like the Democrats when they're feeling good. The waitress staff said they didn't tip worth a sh*t though, just their way of helping the working class I guess.

Posted by: Lodie | September 7, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

I've noticed Democrats in general have some issues wih being able to spell, proof most of them were educated in American Public schools run by unions. Explains the child-like comments and name calling

Posted by: Lodie | September 7, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

"I've noticed Democrats in general have
some issues wih being able to spell, proof
most of them were educated in American
Public schools run by unions. Explains the
child-like comments and name calling"

OMG, Lodie, you are NOT serious! Apparently, you are not a Democrat, so based on your premise, what accounts for *your* spelling errors (embarising, fanitical, creditbility), awkward sentence structure, and simplistic reasoning in your three posts?

Posted by: Amazed! | September 8, 2008 3:21 AM | Report abuse

Getting Back to the Topic of McCain's Speech..

Republican's as well as Democrats noticed that McCain is trying to run away from the Bush-Cheney record as fast as he can. He trying to distance himself from the 90% he voted for on higher deficits, bad ecomonic policy, war in Iraq, not increasing wages for average workers, and so on.

There are passionate comments in this piece. But let me remind both Democrats and Republicans that it is up to us to look out for own economic interest.

We cannot be proud of the results of the last 8 years. McCain supported the warped decisions made in the last 8 years 90% of the time. If he was Democrat and a Democrat President had such a terrible record I would say the same. I am not partisan.
McCain must not continue the idiotic last 8 years. I have nothing against the Palin Soap Opera- that is politics. I am stating "It is the Economy stupid". If this were a company we would fire the GOP immediately.
We need to bring in Obama/Biden and make sure we hold them to the fire.
That is the way it is suppose to be done.
Then in 2012 if they don't put the middle class economic priority first then we can deal with them as well.

Posted by: ThePoliticalTruth | September 8, 2008 5:22 AM | Report abuse

Within the Navy officers' brotherhood the son and grandson of an Admiral who spent years as a POW will unquestionably reach the rank of Captain. But McCain was a poor officer who only once had a command, a minor training squadron. He was passed over and retired as early as the Navy could do it. Since he had been a Navy Liaison officer in Washington beginning in 1977, a political job that allowed his to see how Washington worked, on leaving the Navy he did the obvious, use his contacts and image to get into Congress. I am also a Viet vet. Vietnam experience does not prepare anybody for the presidency of anything. There is an unwritten code that we do not use our experiences for personal gain. McCain has to use it to distract from the obvious: Counting his years as a Navy congressional liaison, he has 31 years in Washington versus 26 in the Navy. He is, above all a Washington insider. He’s not going to change anything meaningful. That is why, even though I am a Republican, I will go with Obama.

Posted by: Hank Curtis | September 8, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

McCain Sleeper YES!! - But many Americans are asleep also: -- TAXPAYERS UNITE!! - Democrats, Republicans, & Independents,- realize that Our Nation Is being destroyed from within! We can NOT continue into more and more DEBT!! - the $Rich will own us All!! And we will never be able to recover our Lives, Nation, Constitution, and Liberties! $Special Intersts, Bankers, Corporations, and Their' political cronies, like Bush, are making big $Money to dupe and control us! This HAS to Stop Now!! Wake-Up! DEBT is Their' Objective!! Debt owed to Them!! Just like this Fannie Mae & Freddie BAILOUT!! We the PEOPLE pay them off. If they make a bad investment, then We Bail Them Out!! Whata Joke!! Take back Our Nation, and get rid of these Economic Terrorists, - like Bush, Cheny, McCain, Paulson, Bernanke, Greenspan, Lockhart, and all these Globalist Banking Eliteists STEALING OUR FUTURES!! What is wrong with the people whom do not see what is happening?! The U.S.A. HAS to get the DEBT to "ZERO" and pass an Amendment for NO DEBT!! That Is how these criminals Control us, - thru Debt, Usery, and Interest!! God please wake America up before it is too late!! The VOTERS are Our only HOPE. - And so many are So Blind to the Lies and hidden agendas of these International anti-Freedom & anti-Liberties $$Elite-ists!! The so-called Federal Reserve must be eliminated immediately!! Our Constitution and Republic are almost to the point of no return!!

Posted by: jward52 | September 8, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Jward52-

Here's a thought:

Maybe Cindy McCain could sell her wardrobe and diamonds and that would negate the deficit?.?.

Just a thought, not a sermon.

Regards,
The Democratic Warrior

Posted by: The Democratic Warrior | September 8, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Here is another thought...I could stop being a Bone Smoker....

Nah...I can't give that up.


Posted by: The Democratic Warrior | September 8, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Mr. McCains mentioning of his time in prison and his service in defending his country over and over looks like he wants an exchange for the service he did for his own country. He reminds me of the so called mojahiddin leaders in Afghanistan who after the fall of the communist regime wanted to exchange their service for their country to get the presidency of that poor country. In my opinion serving one's country is a moral obligation of every citizen without expecting a reward. Anyone who sells his sevice for a reward is not a true servant.

Posted by: Halim Wardak | September 8, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

B-U-M-P

Posted by: McCain Pollwatcher | September 8, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

There was a poll done recently on the "awareness" of the common voter. 49% of Americans believe the president has the right to suspend the constitution.

America will get what America deserves in this election.

Posted by: NotAnotherPoll | September 8, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Homo!!!

Posted by: The Angry Gay Left | September 8, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Marx Bro:

Point taken.

You are correct in that oratorical gifts are not discriminatory. They can be bestowed upon anyone and used for good -- or bad. What distinguishes those so anointed and brings them so much success is an ability to extract a sense of what the times demand and to harness that sense into mass appeal. Old concept. Much discussed.

In our unique times, I believe broadband, youtube, email, phone cams and the voracious underbelly of the traditional media (Drudge Report, Daily Show, Colbert Report) bring us closer to precluding political con ar deception and character cover-ups altogether. This unique 21st century techno-reality is our protection against the "evil" orators and dictators of old to whom you refer. Thus, there's less legitimacy for the "gullible" excuse. Take me, e.g. Although I am now very passionate for the Obama candidacy, I didn't start out that way. I was one of the three people who was not won over by his speech at the 2004 Democratic Convention. I didn't know him. Never heard of him. Given the politics I've experienced in my lifetime (4 presidents), someone who sounds good just wasn't enough to sway me, so my background check came first -- then came the inspiration.

…and inspiration is a wonderful thing, a component of a happy life, but true, not a necessity in politics and it certainly should not be the basis for one's vote.


All that said, and erasing the political party aspect, let's go back to the original question of simply who's the better speaker. I still think Obama surpasses Palin and for the same reason. He's able to add the fire of an inspirational component which connects with people on a higher level than that of Palin's string of nasally, negative verbal assaults.

Posted by: TruthWoman | September 8, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Yes, as you admit, you underestimated Gov. Palin and you and the Democratic Party and their captive media still are. Can hardly wait to see your columns after November 4th?

Posted by: Republican in Europe | September 9, 2008 6:43 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a trojan horse. since when did the fraud has the gall of call others liers?

Posted by: dsclinton | September 9, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

I agree. His VP outshone him big time. What a snoozer of a speech!

Posted by: Sean | September 9, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse


LOL. McCains speech inspired everyone except the ever hateful left.

Lane is just another left wing media hack with an axe to grind. Put another nail in the journalistic coffing Lane. Noone listens to you except your circle jerk little group of left wing Obamabots.

Posted by: reason | September 9, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

For the last 25 years, Palin has been an ardent member of the Wasilla Assembly of God church (some of whose tenets are extreme even by the standards of many fundamentalist denominations). Her world views have thus been inevitably strongly colored by the tenets of that church.

One must visit the following web site and see the video clip in it (besides reading the material in that web site detailing the tenets of Palin's church). After reading the material and seeing the video clip in this web site, even an atheist is likely to invoke God and say to herself/himself "God save America from the remotest possibility of Palin getting into the veep's chair this January and getting to be next in line as America' president should something happen to McCain as the hypothetical next US president."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-wilson/sarah-palins-churches-and_b_124611.html

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Posted by: An Observer | September 9, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Mary | September 5, 2008 1:35 PM
"You people are so disgusting, belittling a true war hero. This man fought and endured torture from the Vietcong, what have you all done with your life?"

Correction Mary;
Senator McCain is a hero for enduring 5 1/2 years as a POW.

Senator McCain did not fight he flew a fighter while dropping bombs.

To have fought he would have been on the ground like the rest of us grunts, not flying back to his aircraft carrier after each mission for a warm shower.

He was a captive of the North Vietnamese not the South Vietnamese Viet Cong.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

When will Senator McCain and Governor Palin planning to start talking about issues important to Americans?

Issues like:

Affordable health care

Alternative energy

Rebuilding the USA's infrastructure(energy grid, bridges, schools, air traffic control)

Paying off 10 TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT TO THE CHINESE

Affordable college education

Paying off 10 TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT TO THE CHINESE

Posted by: JAC | September 9, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Americans wake up! The most scary part is having Sarah Palin in line for presidency. I doubt how much she understands the world given the fact she has only gotten her passport a year ago! Being a woman, I do not admire her choosing to go back to work three days after her down-syndrome baby was born as that only suggested to me she was an irresponsible mom. Having a 17-year-old pregnant daughter has only suggested to me she could not have enough time to look after/educate her children. How could I be possible to trust her to be able to take care of the business of a nation?

Posted by: Lee | September 10, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

You all Make MSNBC look rational. All the opinions add up to the talking point of one political party. Grow some balls and think for yourselves; Ask if socialism is really what you want in this country. Both parties are equally as corrupt in their self interests. Wouldn’t an ethical journalist point that out instead of supporting the corruption of one side? Liberal or Conservative how can anyone take your obvious biased opinions seriously.

Posted by: MSNBC/Post | September 10, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

What is this the Obama kiss his black ass blog. Hitler would have loved all of you in Germany. Blind repetition of propaganda from those seeking power.

Posted by: Obama Blog | September 10, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse


So much sturm und drang... exhausting...!

Posted by: truthWoman | September 11, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

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