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Not 100 Years -- Just 9

Things are going so well in Iraq that we really can’t withdraw any significant number of our troops there.

That’s the policy that President Bush reiterated today. “We have seized the offensive” in Iraq, he said. "Iraqi forces are becoming increasingly capable of leading and winning the fight. “ The president then proceeded to announce that 8,000 of the roughly 146,000 U.S. troops in Iraq will be withdrawn over the next six months – more precisely, next February.

At that rate, assuming things continue to go as well as they have, the U.S. will have its forces finally out of Iraq in a little over nine years – November 2017, more or less. Iraqi Prime Minister al-Maliki has said that the Iraqi government wants U.S. combat forces gone by the end of 2011, a sentiment to which Bush paid no apparent heed today.

So where’s John McCain on all this? Does he think 8,000 troops over the next six months is too small a withdrawal, or does he agree with Bush that this is the appropriate rate of withdrawal when conditions on the ground (McCain’s stated criterion for determining the rate of withdrawal) are good? Is there any reason to think he objects to keeping our combat forces there until 2017? Does he think that a prudential expenditure of our soldiers’ lives and our taxpayers’ dollars?

Now there’s a snappy new McCain-Palin campaign slogan: In Iraq ‘Till 2017 (If Conditions Are Good).

By Harold Meyerson  | September 9, 2008; 3:42 PM ET
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Now that McCain has Palin, He might be able to ensure that the War does Last 100yrs., She is still pretty young so she can carry out his legacy.

Has anyone else read this story about a possible Affair Sarah Palin had? That is just one of the Scandals listed at this site. http://www.hotpres.com

This site has the inside scoop about the Palin Dui Secret, http://www.duihelpguide.com Why hasnt the news covered this?

This site has background info on sarah Palin Bio, Pics, Videos, Alot of Polls like how many people actually think that she is attractive? http://www.theveep.com

Despite all of this, and her lack of experiance she would probably make a much better president then McCain., Because like Obama she hasnt been corrupted by washington yet. We should probably reverse the ticket Palin/McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Blah, blah,blah I think I'll just spew insignificant "rumors", add a few links and WHAMBAMTHANKYOUMAAM, I'm a senior political analyst, er uh make that anonymous senior political analyst.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

You (plural) are pitiful.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

As long as we're making stupid assumptions, I'm going to assume that eventually liberals will give Bush credit for ousting Saddam and planting the seeds of democracy in the Middle East.

Posted by: JD | September 9, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Amazing, and some people still want to have a Republican President.....

And McSurge does not need Iraq, he wants to start a war with Iran anyway. With ultra - fundie Palin on board it really will be a crusade.

Posted by: Michael | September 9, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

You all suck!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Ok JD. SO now we should go invade china, russia and india and "plant" seeds of democracy in them.

Posted by: Chris | September 9, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I would offshirt-drill Sarah Palin. She is a hot HMILF. I just hope she doesn't go on any debate with Obama, as the old saying is: "once you go Black, you never come back..."

Posted by: Palin is hot | September 9, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

And that would be a stupid assumption. All he gets credit for is being responsible for the deaths of 1000's and the waste of billions of dollars. Bush et all need a trip to the Hague IMHO.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"He might be able to ensure that the War does Last 100yrs"

What's to complain? I mean the war in Germany, Japan, Korea, Italy and the UK has been on-going for up to 70 years. <--sarcasm

Just wanted to stomp on your deliberate warping of a quote.

Posted by: Daniel | September 9, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

McCain fights democrats, republicans, and special interests who wish to bog down the effectiveness of our government.

Obama is a democratic puppet who has never stood up to anything. Maybe in the next 4 years he can keep working on 'change' and become president but right now we need someone with a backbone like McCain to set Washington straight

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Cowards, slander, business as usual, salivating at a 60 seat filibuster proof Senate, all more of the same from the party of "gloom and doom." Even when they slander someone they can't use their own real names. What afraid that someone might actually put a private investigator on your asses at the Daily Koz or fine columns like this one. Oh wait, this is not a column or journalism. Just an opinion piece. Obama is not an outsider by the way. That is like saying Al Capone just liked eating steaks in Chicago, hahahaha.

Posted by: Anonymous like all Democrat Cowards | September 9, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Luckily no one reads this collumn except when it appears on drudge. It took years for for Germany to be pacified, but at the end of the day, the free world got an ally out of that. I for one am glad we stayed the course with that one! Iraq as an ally in the middle was unthinkable decade ago, but not anymore. Maybe there will be a 3rd democracy in the middle east, also unthinkable a decade ago. Oh wait! They had elections there already!

Another great thing to point out, is that Iran is surrounded on the east and west by countries with significant US military presence. That wasn't an accident.

Now I expect the pro-Saddam and Pro-Tehran left to comment. If would be un-washington post like if you didn'!

Posted by: Dribble | September 9, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I want to plant my seeds in Palin... Is there a bikini contest for the US presidential campaign? Obama will look bad on a g-string bikini thou...

Posted by: Palin is hot | September 9, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Harold, why do you make it sound like Bush and McCain want our soldiers dying over there for as long as possible? You actually make it sound like it gives them great pleasure to do so. If we could just pull them all back tomorrow, don't you think that would've been done by now? We've started something that needs to be finished properly so that we don't have to go over there in the future.

...and for the anonymous user's post above. Why all the consipiracy links? Let's focus on things that are acutally real.

Posted by: James | September 9, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Who's to say that the rate of withdrawal would not accelerate over time?

That seems to be the most logical way to do things. Not "x number of troops a month for the next y years." I think McCain position comes down to "I don't believe in an explicit time to withdraw troops."

And seriously, what does "good" even mean? It's implied that "good" is relative; "good" today is a much higher standard than "good" a year ago. McCain says that we should withdraw troops when the time is right, at a rate dictated by the status of combat in Iraq.

Ultimately, it's just a word game between a "time table" and a "list of objectives." In the end, neither Obama nor McCain will get the troops out in a set time-frame.

Posted by: AlexC | September 9, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I just hope when she becomes president she won't visit Venezuela... I don't want her to fall in love with that bad-latin-lover Chavez guy... You know, good girls like bad guys... Also he got all that crude oil-cash smell she loves so much...

Posted by: Palin is hot | September 9, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

If the first commenter actually uses those sites as sources, then why should anybody listen to what he (or she) has to say?

What a waste of the internet.

Posted by: Matt | September 9, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I find it interesting that there is a specific section of the Washington Post for "opinion writers". In reality, the whole paper is written from liberal opinions.

Posted by: James | September 9, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Old decrepit McCain won't stand one day as president, he is just the vehicle for Palin to get there. That is why we all voting on him.

Posted by: Palin is hot | September 9, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Watch YouTube for Palin videos. This is not rumor. Our VP candidate believes this war is from God. What chance, then, do we have to make any decisions regarding withdrawing troups or ending the conflict?

Posted by: Lara | September 9, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

first comment...an attack on Palin consisting of rumours and scandal seeking websites...says it all doesn't it...running scared.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Lebanon, the Palestinian Terrorities and Israel all are functioning Democ to a greater degree than Iraq at the moment.

Posted by: Woburn, MA | September 9, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I am one of the Canadians that actually love America, it will be so sad and so hard to defend why I love America if the republicans get in again. America please stand up and fight for your rights and what is right. You do it so well. Just remember to leave your your religious views at home. Also if you really don't want Obama send him up here, we need to make major changes up here also.

Posted by: Jacqui | September 9, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

It's also interesting that the majority of the 'freely viewable' opinion pieces (ones that don't require a 'free' login) are from the liberal group of writers.

Posted by: James | September 9, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, some people want to have a Republican President because they realize there are only 2 choices. They would much rather have a party in the presidency that will control moral issues such as gay marriage and abortion. Do you find it appalling that some people in this country still disagree with what is now the cultural "norm"? And another thing, just because we are going to pull out 8,000 troops over the next six months does not mean that is a fixed number/rate. Oh yeah, one more thing. So you claim Palin is inexperienced. What about Obama, he has to be the most inexperienced presidential candidate in the history of the country, yet everyone seems to think that is a good thing. And somehow, you claim Palin as inexperienced and that is a bad thing? I'm sorry I just don't follow that logic at all.

Why don't we open our minds and think for ourselves, actually do research and not regurgitate what the media tells us, and make our own decisions. There's a thought for you.

Posted by: Kendall Power | September 9, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad we're going to be in Iraq for awhile. Without this kind of war we'd have a whole generation of military men who didn't know how to fight. We don't need a nation of sissies.

Posted by: spencer | September 9, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

It's revealing that a majority of the Washington Post bloggers are a bunch of ignorant, chauvinistic jerks.

Posted by: Oliver | September 9, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Dont you realize that the war on terror is never ending? That's why we started it. Tt's like the drug war, their both unwinnable and fought against people who dont exist for the most part! And I cant believe all these people think Palin's hot, I wouldn't have even done her daughter, lol! Peace

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I am for Pat Paulson.

Posted by: Write In for President | September 9, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"It's also interesting that the majority of the 'freely viewable' opinion pieces (ones that don't require a 'free' login) are from the liberal group of writers."

So why not instead of whining about it,
write some conservative pieces?

Maybe you're too busy...

1) Shooting guns
2) At church, praying for our country
3) Spending the tax money that Bush has saved you over the last 8 years.

Seriously, his tax cuts have saved me over $15k per year, and I'm not exactly the "working middle class".

Thanks Dubbs.

Posted by: rob | September 9, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

wouldn't even have done her daughter...liberals...such nice pleasant warm hearted people.

Posted by: thud | September 9, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Everyone better hope Russia/China doesn't decide to start flexing their muscles. Young people are not enlisting and there is no way a draft could ever work!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Responding to:I'm glad we're going to be in Iraq for awhile. Without this kind of war we'd have a whole generation of military men who didn't know how to fight. We don't need a nation of sissies.

Listen Spencer, why don't you go say that to a military family who just lost someone they loved dearly. "Its ok mr/mrs.smith atleast your son/daughter/husband proved he wasn't a sissy." People like you make me sick and shouldn't be allowed to vote. Why don't do us all a favor, prove your not a sissy and go over there fight in the war.

Posted by: Justin G | September 9, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Lara said, "Our VP candidate believes this war is from God"
What she is actually praying for is that the US would obey God's will. She is not expressing believe that the war was directed by God. This is a common form of prayer.
If you want to trade barbs on simple turns of phrases or gaffs... (Please note I'm acknowledging that what I'm about to comment on was a gaff) ... then take a look at the Obama interview from the Factor Monday night. Obama refers to his religion as Muslim and has to go back halfway through his next statement to correct himself.

sigh

Posted by: Brian | September 9, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

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McCain fights democrats, republicans, and special interests who wish to bog down the effectiveness of our government.

... but right now we need someone with a backbone like McCain to set Washington straight

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 4:57 PM
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Umm, wasn't Mr. Bush supposed to set Washington straight? He has had 8 years to do so, but hasn't. Why should we beleive that Mr. McCain can do it when he has only promised to do exactly the same things Mr. Bush has done? Why shouldn't we be skeptical?

Posted by: Alan | September 9, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Justin,
Do you really want to take away the voting rights of others that have a differnce of opinion than your own? That's not what our country was founded on, ya know.

Posted by: Brian | September 9, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

justin g says...people like you should't be allowed to vote....liberals...firm believers in democracy!...shouldn't be allowed to vote if you don't vote democrat more enough.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Bush isn't going to be satisfied until he has either destroyed America or started WW3. I am an ex USAF pilot, no pacifist by any means, but the Iraq war is simply unwinnable by any reasonable criteria. Iran and Syria, to name just the two most interested parties, will never rest so long as there is a government friendly to the US in Iran. THe only possibility for peace in Iraq would be either to invade with a WW2 size army (perhaps a few million troops) or to get out and let the Iraqis work thngs out.

By staying in Iraq we are simply putting off the inevitable, at great cost to America and Iraq. As an anti terrorism strategy the Iraq war has got to be the greatest military blunder in history. There is virtually no way that Al Qaeda could have imagined a way to cost America more than what this war has cost us. They would have had to have an extremely successful terrorist attack on the US every day of the past 6 years to have cost the US what this war has cost us. Never in the history of modern warfare has the cost of battle been so asymetric, US 1 trillion, Al Qaeda maybe 50 million = 20,000 - 1 ratio. Al Qaeda doesn't care about the cost in human lives, life is clearly cheap for them, but they do like the idea of bankrupting America.

I think many people in America view our treasury and military as being some sort of bottomless pit, but as the relatively small number of soldiers we were able to commit to Iraq, and the state of our economy shows, neither is true. We have to pick our battles much more wisely if we are going to have any chance of remaining a super power.

Posted by: captbilly | September 9, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

IF hillary still on board I will vote for Democratic. But now I have no choice but vote for McClain.

You may like black people and Muslims.But they surely dont like you.

Condoleezza Condi Rice and Oprah Winfrey's behave already proved that.They will vote for black not for America.


Posted by: gogogo | September 9, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Spencer:
"I'm glad we're going to be in Iraq for awhile. Without this kind of war we'd have a whole generation of military men who didn't know how to fight. We don't need a nation of sissies."

You're an idiot. Over 4,000 pointless deaths of our soldiers. Over 100,000 pointless deaths of innocent Iraqis due to a pointless invasion and occupancy. No weapons of mass destruction, no terrorists, no threat to America, ten billion a month to acomplish this, Osama Bin Ladin still on the lose after 7 years, an unprecedented federal defict, an economy on the edge of recession, a goofball with a right wing bimbo running for office and all you can say is you're glad we're fighting the war in Iraq.
You fool, if McBush+his cheerleader get elected we'll all suffer, dumbass.

Posted by: tom | September 9, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

The military are handing over provinces in Iraq to Iraqi forces at an increasing rate...when do you consider the war won captbilly? casualty rate will hit single figures within a month or two....what war is unwinnable?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous | September 9, 2008 4:57 PM,

Honestly! Do you forget that McCain was part of that ineffective government that he's now claiming he'll make effective? If it was so ineffective for the 30+ years he's been in Congress, why the heck didn't he do something then to CHANGE it? How does he fight republicans if he voted 90% of the time with his party? And how will he stand against special interests if the very lobbies he wants to rail against are part of his campaign?

Are people honestly THAT blind?

Posted by: Nuffsaid | September 9, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

It's just sad & un-American that anyone chooses to exercise their right to be stupid enough to support the Left....

Posted by: JRD | September 9, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Who gave this guy a column?

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

The purpose of having a war in Iraq, is to have a war in Iraq.

If Bush really gave a rat's patootie about Bin Laden, Bin Laden would be dead now. (Of course, then Bush would have to explain to Bin Laden's dad how he blew up his kid and since his dad is an extremely good friend and business partner that would be ... awkward!)

Posted by: TekBoss | September 9, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

i am gay

Posted by: bill | September 9, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a freak...get ready something major is about to come out about her

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

republican sheep, following the spin machines music. we don't need to be the world police, we don't need to be the world's biggest charity organization, we don't need to do anything but take care of our own people. get out of iraq, focus on where the terrorists are centralized(iran, pakistan, afghanistam etc.) and rebuild our economy.

Posted by: mike | September 9, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I read a comment above that said in a few years the left with give Bush credit for ousting Saddam and leading the Middle East to stability.

I disagree. They will take credit for it themselves.

Posted by: GCF | September 9, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

im ray and im gay

Posted by: ray | September 9, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

jrd:
It's just sad & un-American that anyone chooses to exercise their right to be stupid enough to support the Left....

you're a moron.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Dudes, I believe Spencer was JOKING. Lighten up.

Posted by: SarcasmDetector | September 9, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I wish I could go through life making moronic assumptions and then have a forum to pose questions based on those assumptions.


Posted by: Obabma the pompous ass | September 9, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

gogogo:
IF hillary still on board I will vote for Democratic. But now I have no choice but vote for McClain.

"You may like black people and Muslims.But they surely dont like you.

Condoleezza Condi Rice and Oprah Winfrey's behave already proved that.They will vote for black not for America."

you have to be the stupidist person in America. shut your racist mouth, and go drink some cheap beer.

Posted by: joe | September 9, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

How can people still believe that a Republican can help turn this country around? Wasn't it only 13% of the RNC were of a minority group!?! Great represenation of our DIVERSE country. The Republicans and John McCain have done such a swell job over the last 8 years we should just do away with any other party. Why not invade all countries who are not democratic; it is not the Republicans children, or family cleaning up the messes; a majority of those in active duty are from poor communities. It is easy to vote for a war if you don't have a loved one to fight it. I am moving to France or Canada if McCain wins - ignorance is not bliss Republicans - please turn off Fox News and read something with factual information!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Casualties are dropping every day. New schools, pipelines, oil wells and shops are opening everyday. This is so wrong. Come November Obama will not be able to surrender.

Perhaps Obama should push for the US to hand Iraq over to the Russian Peace Keepers in Georgia.

Its not too late for Obama and the Democrats to eliminate Democracy in Iraq and force people to stop using oil by putting Russia in charge of the Middle East.

Now there is a Change that Obama can gaurantee will happen.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

This News Just In...The war on terror is over. We won! All of the terrorists surrendered. Now a word from Sara Palin...In TONGUES..."toefdlgh oemblaszzzaldhfl mmkdennfkkdhldlkfjj"

Posted by: monkeybacon | September 9, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama's talk of "responsible drawdown" of troops must have kicked Bush in the behind 'cuz before Bush used to call the drawdown "a defeat", a retreat, a surrneder. Even the mere mention of bringing the troops home used to get attack with "the Democrats want defeat". Also, when Obama talked about focusing on Afghanistan and going into Pakistan, he was ridiculed! Now, Bush is doing those same things. Wow. And 100-year in Iraq McCain. He's just been shafted.

Posted by: M. Stratas | September 9, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse


Obabma the pompous ass:
"I wish I could go through life making moronic assumptions and then have a forum to pose questions based on those assumptions."

you idiot, that makes no sense whatsoever. proof that conservatives are brain dead a-holes/

Posted by: bill | September 9, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Many discussions here are polarized and not helpful to solve America's needs and issues. If you are so extremely locked on your position, have you ever met anyone, be it friends, family, community members, etc. who did not share your fervent beliefs? Have you ever traveled, be it within your home state, within the US, or abroad? Surely you can't tell me that there is not one person whom you respect that does not share your take on the issues quid pro quo.

Coming to that conclusion, those on the far right and far left must assume that they are fringe minorities. Everyone in the center needs to know that those on the fringe aren't being responsive to change. In this situation, who wins out? A dialogue that starts with the respectful conclusion that the "opposition" has also come to their views through thought, introspection, tradition, etc. must occur.

Posted by: Getittogether | September 9, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Is there any chance of a liberal commenting here with anything other than insults...racists,rednecks,idiots,fundies...try arguing policy.....you do have some other than surrender and socialism don't you?

Posted by: thud | September 9, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Getittogether:
"Many discussions here are polarized and not helpful to solve America's needs and issues. If you are so extremely locked on your position, have you ever met anyone, be it friends, family, community members, etc. who did not share your fervent beliefs? Have you ever traveled, be it within your home state, within the US, or abroad? Surely you can't tell me that there is not one person whom you respect that does not share your take on the issues quid pro quo.

Coming to that conclusion, those on the far right and far left must assume that they are fringe minorities. Everyone in the center needs to know that those on the fringe aren't being responsive to change. In this situation, who wins out? A dialogue that starts with the respectful conclusion that the "opposition" has also come to their views through thought, introspection, tradition, etc. must occur."

what the hell is your point? you typed all that and said nothing.

Posted by: harry | September 9, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Getittogether:
"Many discussions here are polarized and not helpful to solve America's needs and issues. If you are so extremely locked on your position, have you ever met anyone, be it friends, family, community members, etc. who did not share your fervent beliefs? Have you ever traveled, be it within your home state, within the US, or abroad? Surely you can't tell me that there is not one person whom you respect that does not share your take on the issues quid pro quo.

Coming to that conclusion, those on the far right and far left must assume that they are fringe minorities. Everyone in the center needs to know that those on the fringe aren't being responsive to change. In this situation, who wins out? A dialogue that starts with the respectful conclusion that the "opposition" has also come to their views through thought, introspection, tradition, etc. must occur."

what the hell is your point? you typed all that and said nothing.

Posted by: harry | September 9, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Do you realize how ridiculous you appear by posting an anonymous comment full of unsubstantiated rumors and rancorous slander, not to mention your obvious illiteracy. Sadly, your hate of the McCain/Palin ticket is exceeded only by your intellectual ineptitude. With regard to Mr. Meyerson's simplistic opinion on a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, what about our troops in South Korea and those still in Germany? What would have happened in those two countries if we had withdrawn our troops precipitously? He and so many others have an astonishingly myopic and naive view of the current geo-political reality. In this age of globalization and interpendence, we simply can't bring all of our military forces home and bury our collective heads in the sand. Isolationist policies have never worked before and certainly won't now. Such policies ensure only more isolation and serve to embolden would-be adversaries. Like it or not, we must continue to project the fundamental values of freedom and human dignity at home and around the world. We have no other choice.

Posted by: Jose Brunner | September 9, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

thud:
"Is there any chance of a liberal commenting here with anything other than insults...racists,rednecks,idiots,fundies...try arguing policy.....you do have some other than surrender and socialism don't you?"

Policy??? you right wing freak, state your policy, then be specific about other peoples comments.

Posted by: john | September 9, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Holy Cow!! The same whiners who said we shouldn't go to Iraq said we were losing as we drove into Bagdhad said we were losing as the Iraqis held free elections said we were losing as we brought peace and prosperity to a dictator-ravaged nation are saying we are losing as we start to bring our troops home. We need never gloat in our victories, but neither should we bemoan them.

I love living in a country where the first amendment proctects my opposition's right of free speech, even if it is irrelevant piffle. Mr. Meyerson you are a ninny suffering from a paucity of character. I sincerely hope that someday you regret your pointless negativism...

Posted by: MadMat | September 9, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

here we go again folks; being brainwashed by our leaders. Have to wonder why. you think I'm talking about the obvious illogic of "why" we need to stay longer? Nope. it's the word Troops which means a group of people; soldiers in this case, being used to describe one soldier; why are you doing this as well, Mr. Meyerson??
Ok, about the soldier withdrawalls, think about this folks: if "We have seized the offensive”.... If "Iraqi forces are becoming increasingly capable of leading and winning the fight", ah excuse me, but HOW IS THAT REASON WE NEED TO STAY LONGER?? please, think about that folks.

Posted by: Zolar | September 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous:

You and I have to party!!! Keep the faith brother...

Posted by: MadMat | September 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Jose Brunner:
"Do you realize how ridiculous you appear by posting an anonymous comment full of unsubstantiated rumors and rancorous slander, not to mention your obvious illiteracy. Sadly, your hate of the McCain/Palin ticket is exceeded only by your intellectual ineptitude. With regard to Mr. Meyerson's simplistic opinion on a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, what about our troops in South Korea and those still in Germany? What would have happened in those two countries if we had withdrawn our troops precipitously? He and so many others have an astonishingly myopic and naive view of the current geo-political reality. In this age of globalization and interpendence, we simply can't bring all of our military forces home and bury our collective heads in the sand. Isolationist policies have never worked before and certainly won't now. Such policies ensure only more isolation and serve to embolden would-be adversaries. Like it or not, we must continue to project the fundamental values of freedom and human dignity at home and around the world. We have no other choice."

what kind of phony name is jose brunner?? lol...what are getting, minimum wage to make posts for the GOP? You have no values that ordinary americans want. shut your mouth and crawl back in your hole.

Posted by: steve | September 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

My point, Harry, is that slander doesn't solve problems. Offering solutions (that are responsive to more than just whatever speck is in front of your own nose or weird ideology) goes a lot farther.

In case you still don't get it, it's the big picture that counts, not the small group of vocal slanderers.

Posted by: Getittogether | September 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Jose Brunner:
"Do you realize how ridiculous you appear by posting an anonymous comment full of unsubstantiated rumors and rancorous slander, not to mention your obvious illiteracy. Sadly, your hate of the McCain/Palin ticket is exceeded only by your intellectual ineptitude. With regard to Mr. Meyerson's simplistic opinion on a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, what about our troops in South Korea and those still in Germany? What would have happened in those two countries if we had withdrawn our troops precipitously? He and so many others have an astonishingly myopic and naive view of the current geo-political reality. In this age of globalization and interpendence, we simply can't bring all of our military forces home and bury our collective heads in the sand. Isolationist policies have never worked before and certainly won't now. Such policies ensure only more isolation and serve to embolden would-be adversaries. Like it or not, we must continue to project the fundamental values of freedom and human dignity at home and around the world. We have no other choice."

what kind of phony name is jose brunner?? lol...what are getting, minimum wage to make posts for the GOP? You have no values that ordinary americans want. shut your mouth and crawl back in your hole.

Posted by: steve | September 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous:

You and I have to party!!! Keep the faith brother...

Posted by: MadMat | September 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous:

You and I have to party!!! Keep the faith brother...

Posted by: MadMat | September 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

My point, Harry, is that slander doesn't solve problems. Offering solutions (that are responsive to more than just whatever speck is in front of your own nose or weird ideology) goes a lot farther.

In case you still don't get it, it's the big picture that counts, not the small group of vocal slanderers.

Posted by: Getittogether | September 9, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

This is an 'opinion' piece? Does this guy write anything other than quick drive-by snarky bits? (thought id check for myself... it appears, the answer is no. What a job! One or two paragraphs a week, with little to no content required).

Posted by: Escobar | September 9, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

"My point, Harry, is that slander doesn't solve problems. Offering solutions (that are responsive to more than just whatever speck is in front of your own nose or weird ideology) goes a lot farther.

In case you still don't get it, it's the big picture that counts, not the small group of vocal slanderers."

What is the "big picture?" Please tell us.

Posted by: harry | September 9, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I just wanna point out that terrorism has been going on for years, and the idea of declaring war on it was ludicrus in the first place. Also we really cant afford to make another nation mad at us right now so we probably ought to get out of Iraq as close as possible to 2011

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I just wanna point out that terrorism has been going on for years, and the idea of declaring war on it was ludicrus in the first place. Also we really cant afford to make another nation mad at us right now so we probably ought to get out of Iraq as close as possible to 2011

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Getittogether:
what is the big picture that Americans need to realize??

Posted by: harry | September 9, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

It's just sad & un-American that anyone chooses to exercise their right to be stupid enough to support the Left....

Posted by: JRD | September 9, 2008 5:35 PM

It is sad that you don't realize that choosing your own position is as American as you can get.

Posted by: Andrew | September 9, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

john...i'll presume calling me a right wing freak doesn't in liberal speak count as an insult!...as for policy how about...defeat socialism and victory...much better than your alternatives don't you think...said with politness too!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

"It's just sad & un-American that anyone chooses to exercise their right to be stupid enough to support the Left....

Posted by: JRD | September 9, 2008 5:35 PM

It is sad that you don't realize that choosing your own position is as American as you can get."

you're as pathetic as sarah palin is.

Posted by: tom | September 9, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

As Tom said:
You're an idiot. Over 4,000 pointless deaths of our soldiers. Over 100,000 pointless deaths of innocent Iraqis due to a pointless invasion and occupancy. No weapons of mass destruction, no terrorists, no threat to America, ten billion a month to acomplish this, Osama Bin Ladin still on the lose after 7 years, an unprecedented federal defict, an economy on the edge of recession, a goofball with a right wing bimbo running for office and all you can say is you're glad we're fighting the war in Iraq.
You fool, if McBush+his cheerleader get elected we'll all suffer, dumbass.

Posted by: frank | September 9, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse


Getittogether:
what is the big picture that Americans need to realize??

Posted by: harry | September 9, 2008 6:13 PM

Though I'm not who you were talking to, the big picture is our standing in the global community, our long-term ability to sustain our country and our way of life, and our ability to confront our own inner demons (prejudice, racism, sexism, and a general lack of tolerance for thos who are different from ourselves). I think that polarizing dialogue takes us away from these goals...though it does make short term goals seem easier to manage.

Saying you are for us or are against us is polarizing, and flies in the face of good sound logic if you are trying to create and maintain a peaceful world.

Posted by: Andrew | September 9, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Quote:
"john...i'll presume calling me a right wing freak doesn't in liberal speak count as an insult!...as for policy how about...defeat socialism and victory...much better than your alternatives don't you think...said with politness too!"

forget politeness, there's lives at stake, and your conservative crap doesn't cut it. Time to get the hell out of washington you creeps. Go home and count the money you stole from Americans.

Posted by: john | September 9, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

"It's just sad & un-American that anyone chooses to exercise their right to be stupid enough to support the Left....

Posted by: JRD | September 9, 2008 5:35 PM

It is sad that you don't realize that choosing your own position is as American as you can get."

you're as pathetic as sarah palin is.

Posted by: tom | September 9, 2008 6:17 PM

I'm pathetic because I believe all should be able to voice and have their opinion, and that I believe that that is AMerican?

Methinks you misread what I wrote.

Posted by: Andrew | September 9, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

john...I'm in liverpool England...way out of Washington.....and yes it is about lives....surrender will cost more....see, polite again!

Posted by: thud | September 9, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Andrew,
Thank you for addressing that while none of us has all the answers (sorry, Harry - I'm not presuming to have any of them) - tearing down others won't help either. To remove the humanity and dignity of others through insults won't change the issues.

Posted by: Getittogether | September 9, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

"Getittogether:
what is the big picture that Americans need to realize??

Posted by: harry | September 9, 2008 6:13 PM

Though I'm not who you were talking to, the big picture is our standing in the global community, our long-term ability to sustain our country and our way of life, and our ability to confront our own inner demons (prejudice, racism, sexism, and a general lack of tolerance for thos who are different from ourselves). I think that polarizing dialogue takes us away from these goals...though it does make short term goals seem easier to manage.

Saying you are for us or are against us is polarizing, and flies in the face of good sound logic if you are trying to create and maintain a peaceful world.
"
you're not sure who I'm talking to??
I'm speaking to anyone who supports the Bush/McCain conspiracy.
You idiot, how does the occupation of Irag increase our standing in the global community? Inner demons?? Polarizing dialogue?? You are a lame(lamest) example of the GOP spin machine looking for morons to recruit. Shut your mouth and make a specific point, you boob.

Posted by: harry | September 9, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Socialism is created out of fear. People are made to be afraid of the government, then they turn on it and redistribute the wealth. Fear causes socialism.

Socialism is not caused by changing the tax code to tax wealth instead of taxing people. Socialism is not caused by creating a national health care system. Socialism is not caused by using taxpayer monies to ba9l out other people who can't afford their mortgages (like Bush just did with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac).

Right wing conservatives need to stop makeing people afraid and distrustful of the government like they have been. We should be skeptical...because they are our employees and we should hold them accountable for their behavior, but there is no reason to try and make other people afraid and straight up distrustful.

That's how socialism begins.

Posted by: Andrew | September 9, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

you're not sure who I'm talking to??
I'm speaking to anyone who supports the Bush/McCain conspiracy.
You idiot, how does the occupation of Irag increase our standing in the global community? Inner demons?? Polarizing dialogue?? You are a lame(lamest) example of the GOP spin machine looking for morons to recruit. Shut your mouth and make a specific point, you boob.

Posted by: harry | September 9, 2008 6:30 PM

Whoa whoa whoa whoa! Slow down there tiger. With all your name calling and hatred you completely missed the point that I am on YOUR SIDE! Jeez. And you wonder why people hate Liberals so much. What a complete fool you are. To bash someone who agrees with you. Damn. Step back from the keyboard and slap yourself in the face for me please. Then take a ten minute break and reflect on the stupidity you just spewed. Then, come back here and apologize.

Boob. Who even uses that term any more?

Posted by: Andrew | September 9, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

you're not sure who I'm talking to??
I'm speaking to anyone who supports the Bush/McCain conspiracy.
You idiot, how does the occupation of Irag increase our standing in the global community? Inner demons?? Polarizing dialogue?? You are a lame(lamest) example of the GOP spin machine looking for morons to recruit. Shut your mouth and make a specific point, you boob.

Posted by: harry | September 9, 2008 6:30 PM

Whoa whoa whoa whoa! Slow down there tiger. With all your name calling and hatred you completely missed the point that I am on YOUR SIDE! Jeez. And you wonder why people hate Liberals so much. What a complete fool you are. To bash someone who agrees with you. Damn. Step back from the keyboard and slap yourself in the face for me please. Then take a ten minute break and reflect on the stupidity you just spewed. Then, come back here and apologize.

Boob. Who even uses that term any more?

Posted by: Andrew | September 9, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

"Andrew,
Thank you for addressing that while none of us has all the answers (sorry, Harry - I'm not presuming to have any of them) - tearing down others won't help either. To remove the humanity and dignity of others through insults won't change the issues."

You're obviously a republican, right wing wierdo who wants to tell us what God we should pray to, what wars we should fight,feed us lies about how everything is allright with our country, slander everybody who differs from your self centered point of view and lead our country into a deeper hole.
You are not for America, you are for yourself.

Posted by: harry | September 9, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Andrew,
Thank you for addressing that while none of us has all the answers (sorry, Harry - I'm not presuming to have any of them) - tearing down others won't help either. To remove the humanity and dignity of others through insults won't change the issues.

Posted by: Getittogether | September 9, 2008 6:29 PM

I agree. Harry just ripped me one for being a GOP spin machinist, because he has too much hatred to realize who his enemies are and who his friends are.

Posted by: Andrew | September 9, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Andrew...There seems to be a lot of insult first and think(maybe) later...entertaining in itself but ultimately saddening.

Posted by: thud | September 9, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

The whole point of the Iraq invasion is lasting influence in the region. So some 40K forces will stay there anyway.
Even withdrawing the remaining 100000 will prove to be a headache. Before 2011?? We are almost in 2009 now!

Posted by: Homer | September 9, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Shut the hell up andrew, with all these republican a-holes posting here, don't capitalize on my error. And don't question my choice of words. Get your story straight, are you a closet conservative? people don't hate liberals, real Americans are liberal minded. You twist somebody's words to gain favor with the conservatives. So shut up and make a point. This is no time for political correctness and courtesy, this a battle for our future. You Boob.

Posted by: harry | September 9, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

thud,

Yeah, it's saddening, but not so much for those that support the current foreign policy, the war, and the domestic policies of the last 8 years. They are loving the fact that within the liberal base there are foolish trolls like harry that, though I believe their heart is in the right place, just want to pick a fight because they are mad and sick of the road the US hads been on, and the drivers that led us there. I am mad and sick of it too, but I realize that there is no need to ACT that way. I can still ACT respectful and FEEL mad and sickened by our current path.

It's people like harry that will ultimately make it impossible for us to change course unless they suddenly get on board or shut up. As far as I'm concerned, they'd be most useful getting me a cup of coffee or doing my dishes, as long as they didn't fight the dishes.

Posted by: Andrew | September 9, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Harry,

You are not helping. You are making things worse.

Andrew

P.S. Even you know I am right about this.

Posted by: Andrew | September 9, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

thud,
that is the most ineffectual, feminine statement I have ever heard coming from a man's mouth.
Stick with the republican ideals fool, if your a gay man they will burn you at the stake.
They hate gay people. And nobody but your boyfriend is going to get you a cup of coffee or do your dishes, you republican drone.

Posted by: harry | September 9, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Andrew...I have no doubt I would never find common ground with the likes of Harry...I also have no doubt that just because you wish to argue yet not insult a right winger such as me you are anything other than liberal....bitter and twisted on either side is of no use to anyone.

Posted by: thud | September 9, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

how much is the GOP paying you to post?
minimum wage? shut up if can't make a point.

Posted by: harry | September 9, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

With a current budget deficit of $400 BILLION under Bush/McCain, we can't afford NINE MORE YEARS, or even FOUR!

It's time to pull the plug.

Posted by: Will in Seattle | September 9, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

harry,

Are you still in High School? Maybe that would explain why you have no idea who you are talking to at any given point, nor what they are trying to say to you. Here, maybe this caps lock sentence will help.

I AM ON YOUR SIDE!

Do you get it now? Huh? I mean, I am literally spelling it out for you that I am on your side, and you still want to argue with me.

You are C R A Z Y.

Posted by: Andrew | September 9, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

thud,

I am hardly bitter, nor am I twisted. I logically analyze what I know and make my own decision as to what conclusion I draw from it. This is individualism at work, the core of American society.

If we disagree on points, fine. But to label me, or anyone else that has a different opinion than yours as being bitter and twisted does neither you nor I any good.

Way to turn on me. A wolf in sheep's clothing you are.

Posted by: Andrew | September 9, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

This whole dialougue is crazy.
The point is: eight years of nothing brought forth by the republicans.
Our country is in deep trouble.
Harry, I appreciate your comments but we can't bring attention to the scourge that the conservatives have brought to our country if you induldge them in their own turf.
Everyone knows the conservatives have ruined things. Stay on the topics harry, we need to press homwe the point that the conservatives are liars, thiefs and cheats. Nothing more need be said.

Posted by: bob | September 9, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the rationality bob. I had no idea I was stepping into such a quagmire. Also, I'm off work ten minutes ago. Later.

Posted by: Andrew | September 9, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

andrew, we don't need wishy washy, scatterbrains in the democratic party.
If your a wierdo go find some place else to play, like the McCain campaign.
Now please be quiet, and let people talk who have something to say.

Posted by: harry | September 9, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Andrew...I had the likes of Harry in mind....touchy though arn't you?

Posted by: Thud | September 9, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

By the way Harry...I'm English..posting from England...I presume that GOP cheque must be in the post.

Posted by: thud | September 9, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

thud,
quit playing games, you conservative oddball. are you posting from france? you are an insult to gay american men and liberals in general. Vote republican and get sacrificed to the elitist way of life. You will soon regret it.

Posted by: harry | September 9, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

thud ,
get the hell off this website you ass.

Posted by: harry | September 9, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Harry....which part of France is England in?...as for the gay jibe...how unliberal of you...the missus thought it funny though...jesus...what a ? censored it seems!!!!!

Posted by: thud | September 9, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Harry...you have my deepest thanks for proving my point...insults not policies...its all you have...thats why you are going to be very unhappy in 60 days time...hurts doesn't it?

Posted by: Thud | September 9, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Its hard to take Myerson seriously.

What a fu(king joke, just like Obama two pencil neck geeks.

Posted by: Bishop TuTu | September 9, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you "Anonymous" posters go back to stormfront where you belong?

Posted by: Chris Fox | September 9, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

What most Americans liberal and conservative do not focus on is the fact, not opinion, that we as a nation are fast going into financial insolvency.

Our national debt when Bush took office was 3 Trillion with an annual budget surplus of $400 billion, and when he leaves office our debt will be 10 Trillion with annual budget deficits of $400 billion as far as the eye can see.

We discuss these wasting wars as if there were no downside, as if we just get the strategy correct, all will be well. But as no one in America will pay the taxes to support these wars but just continue to borrow the war costs, as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac go broke, as the national infrastructure goes without necessary repair, as Medicare and Social Security are underfunded (and even conservatives who collect on these programs want them funded) I fail to see how the day of reconning is coming fast.

We just cannot affort these wasting wars with no outcome but stay the course. Where am I wrong on this? Conservatives, what do you say?

Posted by: tarquinis | September 9, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Ah!..more liberal logic and insults...you don't agree with us so you are a facist...no debate?..it seems you just wish for an echo chamber....poor little lambs.

Posted by: thus | September 9, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I had no idea that freedom and security had a price....the american economy is still expanding...Britains economy is shrinking and the rest of Europe is following....something wrong there hey?

Posted by: thud | September 9, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Reduce troops in Iraq? Yeah! Only 8,000? Boo! Did you miss the comment from Barack, they need to be increased in Afghanistan?
War? Democracy? Is that really the goal?

Posted by: nk downunder | September 9, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps your time would be better spent looking into O-mans "My Muslim faith" comment. If the MSM had spent 1/10th of the time looking into O-mans past as they [you] have attacking Sarah, Hillary would be your standard bearer. With a good chance of winning. O-dude cannot win on 11/4.

Posted by: dionysis | September 9, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting to see the comments although I am an alien. A friend's brother was going to Iraq, at the time s/he cried like a baby. How many people did seriously think about what a war means, especially to the military person's family? No body should sacrifice to an evil war! All the lives equal without considering the race based on the constitution of US. How many got rich from the war? How many lost their life ? Just think about it. I just thought lot of people lost or are short of judgment!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

I am not a Bush fan ... but, we have NOT been attacked since 2001 in this country ... and that is an achievement that I will give him his just due on! Anyway, we don't know all the facts of what is going on in Iraq and surrounding countries (Russian to help launch Nuclear Plant soon) ... so perhaps Bush is listening to our commanders and intelligence sources and making the right decision!

Posted by: Francisco Cardenas | September 9, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

"we don't need wishy washy, scatterbrains in the democratic party"
... huh? ... please, O-bami has proven over and over again to be wishy, washy ... did you see him at Saddleback? .. and in the ABC interview Sunday? ... come on bro ... you know he ain't going to be the pres!

Posted by: YoMamaSayNoBama | September 9, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse


Palin + Hail Mary

Posted by: Palin-ology | September 9, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

What really scares me is the Christian Taliban. I don't see how this is going to wind up without the Middle East pasted into radioactive glass...

Posted by: beertourist | September 10, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

McBush/Palin: the real bridge to nowhere!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:15 AM | Report abuse

After 7 years President George Walker Bush is finally doing something in Afghanistan when he should have done something 7 years ago. It seems to me it was the likes of Dick Cheney and his cohorts from the PNAC who wanted to take out Saddam Hussein as that was what the PNAC had being trying to do since 1998. What really kills me is all the members of the PNAC are nothing but a bunch of Armchair Warriors who have never served in the military, every one of them is a coward including the Presidents brother Jeb Bush.

Source: http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

The funny thing though is that what ever President George Walker Bush tries to do to save his legacy over the next 4 months isn't going to matter, as he was a total failure the first seven and a half years of his Presidency. He will go down as the most ignorant, stupid, selfish, uncaring and definitely the dumbest and most inexperienced President to have ever served the United States. Remember how much he cared about Hurricane Katrina as it was more important to celebrate John McCain's birthday than to worry about a Hurricane that destroyed New Orleans and killed 1650 people.

Posted by: george33 | September 14, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

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