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Palin's Big Diss

Sara Palin -- and her speech writers -- really seem to like that well-performed line from her nomination acceptance speech about how being "a small-town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities." She's repeated it, with slight variations, along the campaign trail. Obviously the McCain campaign thinks it's doing what they want it to do.

But for someone who's running as a change agent, a reformer, a buster of the status quo, it's a rather dumb thing to say. And Palin's stunning ignorance of what community organizers do isn't being lost on those do-gooders with "no responsibility."

On Monday, George Campbell, Jr., was presenting the Jane Jacobs Award for lifetime leadership to Peggy Shepard, co-founder of West Harlem Environmental Action (WE ACT), when he said, "And those of you who don't think that community organizing comes with real responsibility should look at what Peggy Shepard has done in West Harlem with West Harlem residents." With a chuckle, Campbell quickly added, "That wasn't meant as a partisan remark."

But it was spot on.

Palin's snide put-down denigrates Shepard's work. When the state transportation agency wanted to locate a diesel bus depot in largely minority West Harlem, WE ACT fought back and won. Diesel exhaust has been directly linked to the high rate of asthma in Northern Manhattan. WE ACT's work in environmental justice and public health is responsible for improving the air quality of thousands of residents.

Palin's snide put-down denigrates the work of Alexie M. Torres-Fleming, recipient of the Jane Jacobs Medal for New Ideas and Activism. Torres-Fleming watched her South Bronx neighborhood burn when she was growing up. Like so many, she left. But, after a learning the use of power in the corporate world, she returned in the 1990s. Torres-Fleming joined a community action group at the Holy Cross parish in the South Bronx. An anti-drug rally so irked local drug dealers that they tried to burn the church down. Rather than be intimidated, Torres-Fleming and others formed Youth Ministries for Peace and Justice in 1994 to take back and rebuild their neighborhood. She continues to serve as YMPJ's executive director.

One would think that the up-by-the-boot-straps Republican Party would celebrate the work of community organizers like Torres-Fleming and Shepard. They are doing work that government can't or won't do. They are helping people in a world that might seem stacked against them.

Palin was mayor of a town of about 9,000 people. It's a safe bet she didn't encounter the grinding issues that urban communities deal with daily. Shepard and Torres-Fleming have faced down more challenges and have been responsible for more people than Palin could possibly imagine. They deserve to be celebrated not dissed.

By Jonathan Capehart  | September 10, 2008; 1:10 PM ET
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I didn't take Palin's comment as dissing community organizers. Rather, I though she was making the point that being the mayor of a small town in Alaska is of equal importance. Even though I am not impressed with the job she did as mayor or is doing as governor, she earned a chance to present herself to the American people as surely as did Obama.

Posted by: Richard | September 10, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain in 2008

Posted by: Gary | September 10, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse


Thank you so much Jonathan--this is spot on. This is the comment that offended me the most when I watched her speech.
That crowds are cheering for this line is sad and offensive to the many many people who work hard for positive change in their communities, no matter their political party.

This has truly gotten absurd.

Posted by: ams40 | September 10, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Capehart,
Why don't you actually start being a person of integrity on Morning Joe instead of sitting there not saying a word when they go on with GOP talking points

Posted by: Todd | September 10, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

you have to remember that the crowds cheering Palin's line at the RNC convention earned an average salary for $500K/year - they don't know what a Community Organizer is - and Cindy McCain wearing the $300K dress most likely does not either.

Posted by: steve | September 10, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

It would have been more honest if the Republicants just went ahead and used the N word, because you can tell that's what they meant.

A real knee-slapper.

BTW, Jon Stewart's take was hilarious. He even flipped the bird to all those "community organizers" out there, just so they know, for sure, that Republicans have no use for them.

Posted by: tony the pitiful copywriter | September 10, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

This article sucks.
Biased, biased, biased.

Thanks Jonathan

Posted by: PALINPOWER | September 10, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

This is manufactured drivel, nothing more than tearing a perceived grievance out of your notebook and slapping it on any convenient statement. What is clear to most of us is that Palin was talking about electoral responsibility; that is, being judged by voters at the next election for your performance. Community organizers do important work, but unlike elected officials, they are not held accountable for their poor performance at the polls. If purposeful misinterpretation of Palin's position is the best you can do, if you really believe that community organizing is first-rate preparation for the presidency, then perhaps there will be a role for you in an Obama/Biden administration.

Posted by: Paul Bloustein | September 10, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

What it seems nobody has mentioned about the comparison between mayor and commuity organizer is that Palin was a mayor two years ago while Obama was an organizer 20 years ago.

While Obama was out helping people build better lives, Palin was trying to become a sportscaster. Where is that comparison?

If you have to compare what you did last year to your opponent's work two decades ago, you are way out of your league.

Posted by: Charles | September 10, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

The images of Sarah as Mother-archtype or as Wonder Woman divert from the Election Priorities, and Why she is even here in front of us in the first place.

It would be better to concentrate on the outrageous fact that she has not fielded any questions thus far about her candidacy and the issues. Shouldn’t the voting public be allowed its own vetting process?

In this matter I see her as a ventriloquist dummy, getting all the attention while others pretend to be her voice. Or, alternatively, as the ultimate female terrorist in a burka with a veil over nearly all of her face, particularly the mouth, not speaking to others, particularly male counterparts. Perhaps she has a bomb under her clothing?

Posted by: Spectator | September 10, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Republican's just have no use for "community organizers" who demean a mayor and governor's work experience.

The truth is Palin made her point....her resume blows Obama's away. I know it ... and according to the polls ... American knows it.

Posted by: McCain / Palin supporter | September 10, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Palin was not dissing community organizers. You're twisting words and intentions. Her opposition accused her of not having any experience. The woman has a right to defend herself and her record against the word of her detractors. And she was right, being a mayor is a larger responsibility than being a community organizer. She compared herself to the top of the Democratic ticket. The other side started it; she finished it. She is not dissing; she is defending.

Posted by: dcp | September 10, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA INJECTS MUSLIM THEMED SLUR "LIPSTICK ON A PIG"

Obama's lipstick on a pig comment--documented on his teleprompter-- is much more than just a sexist slur.

It is a deeeply rooted Muslim slur.

Obama was indoctinated in Muslim theology from birth. His Mother twice married Muslim men, voluntarily embracing their worldview.

Obama was further indoctrinated in Muslim schools.

And ask yourself, If schools can't indoctrinate children with religion, why does the US prohibit religion in our schools?

Obama admitted in a freudian slip on ABC Sunday his "Muslim faith", which the "neutral journalist" quickly correct FOR Obama.

Obama says he is a Christian, but denies he ever listened to his Pastor's sermons etc....

So Gov. Palin is a fundamentalist Christian who Obama, with a strong Muslim indoctrination, compares to a pig--highly disdained in Muslim theology.

Posted by: JaxMax | September 10, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Well Jonathan, I guess we all know where you stand. So far I'm not at all impressed with Gov Palin. Everything that she has stated so far are bits that she has pulled from the convention speech, which, by the way, she didn't even write. It will be interesting to watch her try to answer policy questions without a teleprompter in front of her, or McCain standing right by her side. So here is some more bias for you......

Posted by: Kate | September 10, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

This is why I am still so disappointed with the Palin nomination. Its glitz and mom an pop stuff. No substance and all rehtoric. I can remember in my old neighborhood when I was approached by a community activist who wanted me to participate in a Neighborhodd watch program and in my old hood that was not something you took lightley. As a matter a fact it was downright dangerous. Even for politcics that was a pretty low blow. But as time goes a the Palin phenom wears down we need to see substance over rah rah me hometown prom queen.

Posted by: Pogo | September 10, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

A jaded person would say that Palin was Mayor of a nearly all-white town while Obama was organizing in nearly all-minority cities.

Don't think the GOP doesn't know who they are talking to and who they aren't.

Posted by: steve boyington | September 10, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Guys you don't get the point. When Palin was first announced as McCain's pick what did Obama campaign said? They said that she is a small town mayor and she is not qualified(disregarding her achievements as a Governor). So this was very natural for Palin to point out that being a small town mayor is not a bad experience and that it carries more weight then a community organizer which apparently qualifies Obama to be a president (his tenure in Senate and voting present definetely carries less weight then being Alaska Governor and addressing numerous issues the way she did) . In no way she was offending community organizers and she was merely going after Obama's record since they attacked her record.

Posted by: Valentinas | September 10, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Putting down community organizers is on par with putting down cops, firemen, soldiers, teachers, doctors, and everyone else who actually works for the common good.
Sarah Palin and her repubican friends are the kind of people who take and take and take; they think the people who give instead of take are fools, and that means she thinks most Americans are fools.

Posted by: jeffc6578 | September 10, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

JaxMax, delusional, ignorant individuals like you-- who don't know the difference between truth and lies typify what is wrong with this country and why we need CHANGE now.

Posted by: saminny | September 10, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I didn't take Palin's comment as dissing community organizers. Rather, I though she was making the point that being the mayor of a small town in Alaska is of equal importance.

-- More, even.

Posted by: Fuji | September 10, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama should not be so Easy On McCain and Palin. He shouldnt even achknowledge this attack that he called Palin a Pig, He could bring up any number of other

scandals and even the possible affair
http://www.hotpres.com

So I just dont get how a pig with lipstick is an attack?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

JaxMax and his fans are human filth.

Posted by: steve boyington | September 10, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

if ignorance is bliss then all you Failin' Palin sycophants must be in nirvana. it was obvious what she meant by her diss, should i draw you guys a picture or what? it would be like a rorschach test only you guys only see ponies.

Posted by: chuck u. farley | September 10, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Jonathan, your commentary is spot on. Palin and the Republicans were absolutely mocking those who try to help their communities. Giuliani, who spoke before Palin, mocked them as well-- despite the fact that as mayor of NYC he knew exactly what kind of work they do in our poorest communities. Those who work in their communities are exactly the kind of regular, hard-working Americans who are putting "country first."

Posted by: Hummingbird | September 10, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Community activists and organizers have their purpose and meet need. However, it no where comes near to being a Mayor of a City or a Governor of a State.

Posted by: rljmsilver | September 10, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Paul... "electoral" responsibility? Huh? Obama's been elected numerous times. Oh, did you mean "executive" experience? By that you must mean he needs to have been elected AND in charge of something? Unless you've not been in charge of anything for a certain # of years, at which time you get a pass? Don't make excuses, she chose to make the insult and chuckled through it.

Read your history and note that many of our best leaders didn't have experience that qualified to be called "electoral responsibility".

The issue with Palin's comments were that they were in fact insulting to people who do community organizing- you can't argue that.

The other issue is that Palin has roared out of the box claiming to be a reformer and crusader... but her record on that front is mixed at best.

C'mon... don't you want to know if the person you want to vote for is the real deal?

Posted by: Rick | September 10, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I have to admit this is a most interesting political season! Between Mr. Obama and Mr. McCain there is little to choose. Each has managed to ignore the largest fiscal crisis in human history in favor of playground politics. Shame on the Democrats for "appointing" a "brand-based" underqualified candidate over a vastly more competent one. And shame on the Republicans for allowing the fanatics and perverts who hijacked their Party to remain as core constituents, and elevating the scary-stupid Palin to the threshhold of power. Frankly, they are all idiots, and I am going to be very disappointed with the next few years PERIOD.

Posted by: wcmillionairre | September 10, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Gary - "Democrats for John McCain in 2008."

That would be you, Joe Lieberman and who else??

Posted by: thomas | September 10, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe Obama called Palin's statement a "foolish diversion". That plays right into the Republican strategy. All it does is reinforce his image as an elitist intellectual.

For better or worse (I believe worse), the American people do not want a calm cool and collected brainiac for President. They don't want someone who seems better than themselves. They want someone like themselves.

Americans don't want nuance. They want Westerns with good guys and bad guys and they want the bad guys to end up shot dead. They want Dirty Harry and Rambo and Die Hard.

I think this will lead to the decline of our country. But telling people they SHOULD demand more sophisticated arguments is a sure way to lose this election. It is like the old saying about arguing with your spouse: do you want to be right or do you want to be married?

If Obama wants to WIN, then he needs to come down from the ivory tower and start FIGHTING. He needs to get ANGRY. He needs to express an sense of outrage. He needs to say over and over that the Republicans are dirty rotten scoundrels and liars who are taking away our civil rights and that America will be a second class country if we elect another Republican President. Palin has energized the conservative base. If Obama cannot energize the Bish-haters, he has no shot.

Posted by: taxguru | September 10, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Capehart,
Why don't you actually start being a person of integrity on Morning Joe instead of sitting there not saying a word when they go on with GOP talking points

Posted by: Todd
*******************
Amen, Todd! I couldn't agree more - why hide this side of you? I know Scarborough is a smirking bully, but someone has to speak up once in a while. Mika is too busy dithering to do it.

Posted by: 2008 | September 10, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

There seems to be a strand among the Republican loyalist commenters that Mr. Capehart is wrong, and that Gov. Palin did not "diss" community organizers, but merely distinguished them from minor elected officeholders. This characterization reminds me of the euphemistic expression "contrast ad" used to describe Rove-style acerbic and negative (and often nakedly false) campaign advertisements.

Sure, a "contrast" between minor elected offices and community organizers was drawn. But Mr. Capehart very accurately describes the drippingly obvious connotation attached to Gov. Palin's remarks. They were intended, and delivered, as naked, unabashed mockery of Mr. Obama's selfless service in aid of Americans less fortunate than himself. The tone could not have been more obvious, and it is surprising that several readers seem eager to ignore or revise that tone.

I would not expect Republicans who support the McCain/Palin ticket to state that the comment was wrong, or unfair--after all, we all tend to think that our favorite candidates can do no wrong. But to deny that the remarks carried a blatantly mocking tone is to defy all objectivity. If there were any doubt (and there can be none), it would have been resolved for anyone who actually watched the speech by listening to the jubilant, mocking laughter from the audience.

There are many differences on issues between the parties and their candidates this year. It is sad that the Republican ticket is avoiding any discussion of those issues, and using the same strident divisionist tactics we have suffered during the last eight years. It is even sadder that many (though not all) voters appear to be swayed, at least in the short term, by these tactics.

Let us face the facts at hand, seriously confront our top priorities as Americans, and make an informed selection on who can move us forward toward our goals.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Palin says she's a change agent and will veto pork items. Her state has oil revenues that are shared with the people of Alaska. The state has 40 million left from the bridge to nowhere money. Instead of giving their oil revenues to the people of Alaska, why isn't that money used instead of the taxpayers money. I'm wondering why we all have to subsidize this state.

Posted by: Eileen | September 10, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone seriously put forth the argument that Palin's snide remark was not meant to denigrate Obama as a community organizer and by extension, community organization as a worthless pastime? It wasn’t taken out of context, that was the context. To all those posting that argument: do you lie to yourself as well? Or only to those that don’t agree with you when seeking to strengthen your point?

Posted by: Seriously | September 10, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Thats another thing about The Palin-Mccain ticket. Any mention of her records brings on savaging attacks when we really know very little about her record as goveneor. What has been released is not very convincing like what happened to the hundreds of millions of dollars that was to be spent on a bridge! Did it just evporate into a Alaska blizzard. Did she really have to charge the state for keeping here kids in her own home. Whats up with that. So far she sounds like any other pol gaming the system for what ever she can get.

Posted by: Pogo | September 10, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Capeheart, before you 'diss' Palin you might want to learn how to correctly spell her name. It's "Sarah." But of course, what is a little accuracy in reporting when you have to meet deadline for the newest hit piece, right?

Posted by: Oh the irony | September 10, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Taxguru, very true indeed! Obama needs to understand the difference between "Telling" and "Showing". McCain is "showing" us how "fighting mad" he can be on our behalf, but not saying a thing about what he would "fight" and how. Mr. Obama needs to "hammer" the points he wishes to ride with some enthusiasm, or he and the Democrats will be ridden out of town on a rail. For my money, I would like to see both of these campaigns explain just how the heck they are going to accomplish ANYTHING without resolving our crushing debt burden. That, of course, would require intelligence and skill, and the realization that all the campaign "promises" are etherial. Rest assured we will never see THAT dialogue from our "good friends". Hope and Change. Hope and Change. I hope we are able to change from our habits of relying on people who simply promise...Hope and Change!

Posted by: wcmillionairre | September 10, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for this post. I do think that Palin intended to insult community organizers (why else her scornful tone?), and Guiliani's speech preceding hers showed similar derision.

My first job out of college was an AmeriCorps VISTA volunteer, and I then worked as a volunteer canvasser and organizer to get out the vote in the 2006 elections. This work was incredibly valuable to me in terms of learning about people from different walks of life, and it reinforced my belief that beyond our duties to vote and pay taxes, citizens have a responsibility to give back to their country through service.

P.S. I agree that being a community organizer is not the same as being a mayor. It has a smaller scope and shows more selflessness. But Obama and McCain both have legislative experience as U.S. Senators. Neither of them has executive experience, and it's not necessary to be president (see JFK).

Posted by: Calliope | September 10, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

The tone of Sarah Palin acceptance speech
reeked of sarcasim, belittled and was dismissive of Americans working as community organizers. This was no comparison; it was a direct attempt at disrespect.

But the most interesting moment was when she engaged in the reasoning fallacy of ad hominen, when she literally attacked herself and other mothers by referring to them as pit bulls with lipstick. Not the most positive of connotations. If her attempt was to make herself seem tough, she forget that many look upon pitbulls as animals trained to be mean, dangerous killers.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

To Richard, author of 1st post:

Palin, in her speech, did not say that being mayor of Wassila was "of equal importance". She said that she had "actual responsibilities", contrasting this with community organizers who, by implication, have none. She most definitely did put down community organizers...arguing differently makes no sense.

Posted by: Dylan McArthur | September 10, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

To compare Obama's time as a community organizer to her time as Mayor is a complete misrepresentation designed to make it seem like they have similar levels of experience. But its not an apples to apples comparison.

Pre 1996
Palin - Sports journalist, Mother, City Council
Obama - Civil rights Lawyer, Community Organizer, Consitutional Law Professer

Post 1996:
Palin - Mayor of a 6000 person town
Obama - Representative of a 700,000 person district.

Palin - Governor of 800,000 person state
Obama - Senator of a 12 Million person state

In order to the equate the two you need to invent a special kind of experience like the so-called "executive experience." But this is an irrelevent distraction. George Bush had years of "executive" experience. Unfortunately his ability to be a decider did not enable him to make good decisions. Abraham Lincoln on the other hand had no "executive" experience and was one of our greatest presidents.

In Sarah Palin's time as executive she has not had to face any issues like the ones she would face as VP. What are her postions on health care, the global economy, the world balance of power? How has her time as governor prepared her to answer any of these questions? How will we find out if all she does over the next month is spit out what her handlers tell her?

Posted by: Former Independent | September 10, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Truth and Fact - The McCain/Palin supporters are "not getting it". Clearly, they are not informed. Ignorance is not bliss, so it's time they enlighten themselves and stop defending the Palin bull and realize she is not qualified to be President of USA. And that is the TRUTH!

Posted by: mzbond | September 10, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it. Republicans would not know the truth if hit them in the face. If they heard that the earth was flat they would believe it.

Palin was very clear in her speech regarding " community Organizers" she waws saying that they have no responsability like a mayor. But the real fact is without the responsability taken on by community organizers, large city Mayors would not be able to do their job because their hands would be full having to deal the improvished, the old and sickly, and the unemployed.
Instead of dissing them, Palin should be honoring them.

Maybe, they don't have problems in Wasilla. Oh thats right they do now. Palin left the town in debt.

Posted by: Demian | September 10, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey palinpower, did you ever take critical thinking in school? It seems that the far right wing just listen to sound bites and not do their own research about the type of person palin is. Think of it.. If you thought Cheney was bad, Palin will bring more of the same but as a "messenger of God". Funny how God only speaks to the far right wing.

Posted by: Mike C | September 10, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

To former independent, I agree that Bush had "executive experience" but that was in the state of Texas in which the Governor is the second least powerful in the nation.

It is my understanding that he spent much of his time as Governor on the golf course and seldom read anything but a few memos.......not the best of training for the POTUS.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Are you that clueless? Palin was making fun of the fact that community organizers don't have responsibilities in that they don't govern citizens. She wasn't making fun of their effort to help people or play active roles in the community. The point was that a "community organizer" has zero executive responsibility! While you cite some nice examples of other "organizers" (whatever that means), what exactly did Obama ever achieve as one? He certainly wasn't the executive director of an organization... The point was that his time "organizing" was totally voluntary and didn't require him to answer to anybody but himself (just like as a state legislator, U.S. Senator, and professional campaigner). A mayor, even of a small town, has to make executive decisions for its citizens -- that is something Obama has never done.

Posted by: clueless | September 10, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Do you really think Obama has shown what it takes to be president? I have never seen any presidential candidates that has so much of tag lines about character. why is that? is this really fair assessment from a fair journalist? I think you are as much a hypocrite as Obama is.

Posted by: tampa | September 10, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Clueless...Palin was making fun of the fact that community organizers don't have responsibilities in that they don't govern citizens.

My goodness...it sounds like you think poking fun of community workers is an appropriate tactic to use in an election...If that is the case, I guess that means Sarah Palin's self-proclaimed "pitbull with lipstick" remark is fair game for the Obama campaign to poke fun at......

Posted by: Daisy | September 10, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Republicans don't need community organizers. Just look at the convention delegates. Their idea of an organizer is the golf starter at the country club arranging tee times.

Posted by: steve jacobson | September 10, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Only a dimwitted elitist would think a community organizer is something other than someone who can't or won't get a real job.

Posted by: Mike Wilder | September 10, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

i'm just astonished after reading some of these posts that ANYONE could argue that Sarah Palin wasn't clearly mocking Obama for his community service, and by extension any community service.
She did, and she meant it.
The question then becomes why did she do this, what did she think she could gain, and why hasn't her disdain for community service a much, much bigger issue?
And by extension, why isn't general repubican disdain for community service a bigger issue?

Posted by: jeffc6578 | September 10, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure that a many, many "community organizers" do a lot for their communities. The problem is that Obama has never been vetted by the press. His statements in his book that he did marijuana and blow, is not subject to any scrutiny, cannot be questioned by anyone inside or outside the press. Just because he was hired as a community organizer, does not mean he accomplished anything in particular as a community organizer! Here again, he has not been vetted as to what he did as a community organization - there is no information about what he actually did as a community organizer, what he accomplished, how much was he paid and once again the press has not vetted his work as an a community organizer. By the end of the week we will know more about the Republican vice presidential candidate than we do about the Democrats’ presidential candidate. Which is why I, a proud liberal democrat will vote for McCain.

Posted by: Hillary for Pres | September 10, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Better to work at a large corporation like Enron and steal people's money instead of doing something meaningful like helping the poor and disadvantaged.....

In case you haven't noticed Mike, economic inequality is at an all time high thanks to Mr. Bush.

Posted by: Daisy | September 10, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

A small point, but why does everyone keep saying Palin was mayor of a town of 9,000? The town's own Web site says its population is a little over 7,000. I know a couple thousand fewer people doesn't make Palin any less qualified than she already is, but if the media is getting the basic facts about Palin wrong, what else are they missing?

Mr. Capehart, don't take this comment personally. You've been writing great stuff about Palin, calling her to task for stretching the truth, to put it politely. I just wish people wouldn't just repeat this false population number.

Posted by: Mark B | September 10, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I agree with taxman--Obama has to get aggressively verbally combative, not john Kerry angry--too many empty words, too many contradictions. Palin was a strategic choice to reduce thinking people away from the 26 years McCain has had in Conngress to initiate some real, helping changes and it seems to have worked well. She deflects talk on the draft, the wars, poverty, mis-spent time and money and lives lost and changed forever. If just a mom can get mad about this duck and weave, why can't Obama? After 8 years, I want to hear outrage and verbal great big man -body parts instead of politically-correct dreck!

Posted by: streetsign | September 10, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

20 years ago??? What the hey has he done since. NOTHING>>LLLLOOOOOSSSER

Can voters vett. Why??? Are you that damn nosy that you need this BS.

You are all doing the same thing as when you had Hillary to bash. Just keep helping the media. MORONS>>>>>

If the media did not control everything then and only then this election would of been good to follow. Too many stations, too many blogs and too many idiots.

Posted by: mq | September 10, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

The theme of the Republican Convention was "Service". One would think that an organizer who helps people who lost their jobs is doing a service to the community and the Republicans are dissing their own call to duty. But this convention was not playing to the rational mind. As usual, the real message of the RNC convention was to send self serving signals to the collective white/middle/bluecollar reptilian mind that Obama is a Black man who is only concerned with helping inner city, minority welfare queens and slackers receive rebates and benefits paid for with tax money earned with the blood sweat and tears of harding working white americans.

Posted by: Madeleine | September 10, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Capehart, we are you discussing what someone else did as a community organizer?
Why don't you get over to Chicago and find out what specifically obama did!!

The Post and all other media nuts send plane loads to Alaska to dig up any meaningless nonsense about Palin, but find out if obama actually did something..."No, that would be questionning our leader's word and that is blasphamy!"

It's like this, you wouldn't write a story extolling the accomplishments of some small town mayor in Vermont to defend Sarah's work in Alaska, would you? But, that is exactly what you are doing by using some other community organizer's work to puff up obama. Have you ever even read a book on logic?

Posted by: Familynet | September 10, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

My favorite response to the dissing so far (sorry, too lazy to find the quote and give credit) is that the best community organizer of all time, and servant to the downtrodden was JESUS. And Palin claims to be a fan...

Community organizing means endless shoestring budgets, endless searching for additional funds, trying to organize the efforts of sometimes flighty or difficult volunteers...there might be some parallels here with being in the Federal Government.

Capehart's commentary reflects what I saw as the fundamental difference in tone between the two conventions. I saw people from my hometown of Denver weeping with joy at the closing of the Dem Convention - I joined them...to use someone else's phrase, I had a sense of "morning in America!" The most successful moments of the Republican convention were pure Limbaugh-style snark - and mean-spirited.

Posted by: jirelan | September 10, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks she wasn't dissing community organizers needs to go back and listen to her sneering tone. To paraphrase another McCain supporter: "How are we going to beat the b!tch?"

She was dead-on when she compared herself to a pit bull. Nasty piece of business.

Posted by: Jayne | September 10, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Left-wingers: you are clueless so I'll explain it too you. Socialists and Democrats love to put themselves in positions where they can claim to be "helping people" but have no actual responsibility. A "community organizer" gets to claim he is helping with community development, but he is not responsible for hiring and firing, he is not responsible for managing a budget, and he is never faced with decisions that will inevitably make some part of his constituency mad. A "community organizer" doesn't have to compete for the job - anyone can call himself a "community organizer." This is why Obama's citation of "community organizer" experience is so bogus. One only gets management experience in an executive position such as mayor, business owner, or governor (like Sarah Palin) or military commander (like John McCain). I'm providing this clue to you liberals free of charge.

Posted by: Dave | September 10, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

The debate shouldn't be about community organizers and their worth. No one said what they did was worthless or not important. The point is does that make Obam qualified to be our president. I say NO. Neither does voting present 180 times in the state legislature. Nor two years in the US Senate and a year running for president. Stop making this about hurting your poor feelings as community organizers -- it's about experience.

Posted by: Smokescreen | September 10, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Palin's Christian base should recall:

Jesus was a community organizer.

Pilate was a governor.

Posted by: Tom | September 10, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

disclaimer: I am voting for Obama...BUT

take it form someone who did the same thing - the community organizer angle is to get into law school and Harvard eats that S up. I'm sure he wrote his personal statement about it. So lets not go out of our way to congratulate him for begin such a concerned citizen...and who cares what Palin said in her speech. The only thing that she will say that will matter will be at the VP debate.

back to the issues whenever the post or the people are ready.

Posted by: bfd | September 10, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it. Everybody is outraged about community organizers comment but they think it is ok to attack small town mayor??? Why is it ok to disqualify and put somebody down if he/she was a mayor of a small town before becoming a Governor. They shot themselves in the foot and pissed off small town peoople will cause Obama this election. Can someone tell me where do I go to apply for a job as a community organizer?? Whom do I give my resume? Everybody is defending them but in reality nobody knows what in the world do they do. I am sure they are important but it was simply dumb for Obama campaign to attack small town mayor while praising Obama experience as a community organizer. Republicans rightfully so called them on it... What did everybody expect?

Posted by: valentinas | September 10, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

being a citizen of a small town(5,229) and working in the mayors office...
what Palin said was simply outrageous. I am not saying that she was not justified in defending her "experience" however as a mayor she didn't really do a lot of the brain-work. It is a fact that she had a CITY ADMINISTRATOR! Those are folks who administrate. I am niether pro or against her nomination. i like the fact that she's tenacious. i am a mother of 7. They are 20-5 yrs of age and what disturbs me about Gov. Palin is her going back to work when her baby Trig, was 3 days old. I mean she had to spend at least one day in the hospital, right? How does a mother get up and leave a premature BABY with SPECIAL needs after 72 hours of nurturing/bonding? I don't know but if she's gonna run off of the platform of everyday woman and MOM then i think that this is a reasonable question. Many will probably think.."why do they never ask that of a man?" That answer is simple... BECAUSE THE MOTHER IS AT HOME WITH THE KIDS. Don't get me wrong i don't go for that barefoot in the kitchen crap and her ambition is just fine, as Hillarys is. Elizabeth Hasselbeck cried on national tv because she had to travel without her son. I mean who was the child left with? Who would a mother leave her premature, DOWN SYNDROME, 72 hour old,
baby with? Even if you say daddy(and that's great) come on, she's still mom. Most importantly, should we trust a mother like that? I mean what would leaving promises made to her country men/women/hockey moms really mean to her?

Posted by: oasis | September 10, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA INJECTS MUSLIM THEMED SLUR "LIPSTICK ON A PIG"

Obama's lipstick on a pig comment--documented on his teleprompter-- is much more than just a sexist slur.

It is a deeeply rooted Muslim slur.

Obama was indoctinated in Muslim theology from birth. His Mother twice married Muslim men, voluntarily embracing their worldview.

Obama was further indoctrinated in Muslim schools.

And ask yourself, If schools can't indoctrinate children with religion, why does the US prohibit religion in our schools?

Obama admitted in a freudian slip on ABC Sunday his "Muslim faith", which the "neutral journalist" quickly correct FOR Obama.

Obama says he is a Christian, but denies he ever listened to his Pastor's sermons etc....

So Gov. Palin is a fundamentalist Christian who Obama, with a stron
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Only comment I have for Jaxmax on his comments is that....YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!

Posted by: Ryan | September 10, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Idiots for McCain/Palin

Posted by: I'm an idiot | September 10, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

great article, thanks

Posted by: mike_nimzo | September 10, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Palin's very clever retort was aimed at the criticism of her mayoral experience. Trying too turn it into anything other than that is a republicanism. Don't be dense and don't assume we are that dense.

I might point out that most community organizers are not "paid" for their hard work but Obama was. More importantly he was organizing to get rid of asbestos in a housing project and it is still there. Even more important there ahas been no improvement in that area over the last 20 years when he and others were doing all the great community organizing. So at least in this case -these particular organizers have been a dismal failure. To me that is the record by which you judge someone -what did they actauly do? Sarah Palin got a community center built. Can we please see something Obama did now?

Posted by: bornagaindem | September 10, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I just can't believe the people of this country are so stupid. If McCain / Palin wins this election because of their smear tactics, then we deserve them. Doesn't anybody care about what's best for the country? Thank God my husband and I both have jobs that will allow us to leave the good ole USA if these two mistakes are elected.

Posted by: beth | September 10, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know - was being Mayor of Wasilla a full-time job? I ask because in the NJ town I grew up in, which had a population of 30,000 or so, being Mayor was a part-time position.

Also, in Wasilla, Palin was the chief executive of 53 employees. Somehow, I'm guessing that Obama "organized" a whole lot more than 53 employees at a time...

Posted by: Curious | September 10, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm surprised that Palin supporters know how to use the internets. Comments sections like these have become worthless. Monkeys with typewriters would make more sense than the knee-jerk Republican responses to this article. The more people infuriate me by supporting such a ridiculous candidate, the less hope I have for this country. Please go watch Idiocracy. It's a sort of future biography for the United States.

Posted by: The internets | September 10, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is hiding behind Sarah Palin's skirts.

Posted by: Gdsense | September 10, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

The constant reference to small town america was what really upset me. And to highlight vets of small town america while ignoring all the urban soldiers who have fought and lost their lives really was horribly offensive. If McCain becomes president, America will be at a free fall tumble. Maybe that's what we need..maybe we still haven't learned our lesson.

Posted by: chiquindola | September 10, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Let me try again. A community organizer, at least a real one, actually does do stuff. Often for not much, or no, money. How would I know? I've been a volunteer in community organizations - headed by what I presume most would call community organizers. Their jobs are not easy. And they do help people. Small thing in this cynical arena, I know...

All this is, in the end, as stupid as the "lipstick" stuff. Let's see how all the candidates do when they have to answer difficult questions. Let's see how well they can THINK. Snarky jokes are not sufficient to answer policy questions.

Posted by: jirelan | September 10, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin used to be a small town mayor. She is now the governor of a state. She has the highest approval ratings of any governor. Obama's "community organizer" experience is a total joke in comparison.

Posted by: Dave | September 10, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

What amazes me the most is an elitist party attempting to make a candidate an elitist who worked their way through school and graduated with a bunch of student loans. The most amusing is that he who is calling Obama an elitist, didn't even know how many properties he owned, squandered his father's tuition at the Naval Academy by darn near flunking out, asserting that our current economy is fundamentally strong. Yes, this is a laugh a minute. Sadly enough, we the American people might be dumb enough to allow these people residence in our White House to finish what the Bush Administration started -- taking away our civil liberties. I hope and pray I am wrong about this.

Posted by: beverly | September 10, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

To any commenters expecting Johnny Bowtie Capehart to stand up to GOP spin, you're dreaming. Capehart has always been desperate to be part of the system. He fits right in at the right wing Post as a good little corporate yes-man. I've observed Capehart's pusillanimous nature up-close and in-person. And he'll know it's true, if he reads this, due to my choice of handle. Capehart: why must you always be part of the problem, and never part of the solution?

Posted by: Watson | September 10, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone tell me how can someone as "horrible" and "unqualified" and "stupid" can get over 80% approval rates in Alaska. The last time I checked our democratic Congress has 11% approval rates. She is definetely doing something right there and I want the same at the national stage. Obama gave a speech in 2004 and that is all he has accomplished (Hillary words not mine). Case is closed. Obama is an elitist Harvard idiot getting his butt kicked by a girl next door from Alaska. All liberals are going nuts, this is funny to watch... Thank God Obama is going to loose since I am not interested to live in a communist country.

Posted by: tomas | September 10, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

The commenters who keep saying that Palin is being taken out of context are the epitome of self-delusion. I was not simply offended by her words about community organizers, I was offended by the smirking that attended it. Reminded me of the smirker in chief, whose expressions tell the truth about his feelings, or lack thereof.

Posted by: Becks | September 10, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Mayor of a town of ~5,000 people. In Alaska. Probably the biggest thing she had to deal with was getting an animal out of someone's trash.

And she slams everything Obama has done his entire career...

Posted by: Bob | September 10, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

If Palin had some real cajones she could've used her air time at the convention to show us how she and McCain represent change from the last 8 years of Bush/Cheney.

She also could have included some substantive arguments (since she's allegedly an energy expert) against Obama's energy plan. But she gave us NADA beyond glib comments about lipstick and hockey moms and sarcasm about community organizers.

Nevermind that the campaign had to reach back twenty years (to when Obama WAS actually a community organizer fresh out of college) in order to find material to put in Palin's script.

Is this because finding a way to bash Obama's record as a senator, including his nonproliferation work with Republican Senator Lugar, was too difficult?

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/15/1200047.aspx

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Why are people only comparing Obama's years of community organizing to Palin's year and a half as governor and 6 (?) years as a part-time mayor? Are they forgetting that during the last 12 years he's been, first, a state senator representing 700,000 people and then, for the last four years, a US senator from a state of 13 million people?

Posted by: Mark B | September 10, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

For all the Palin defenders, tell me how calling a community organizer someone without resposibility is NOT denigrating the reputation of community organizers in general? It certainly is not putting being a mayor and a community organizer on the same shelf, as many in the comments are arguing falsely.

And if you really think Pallin has a more impressive resume than Obama, you're deluding yourself more than those people that believe Obama is a closet Muslim. Then again, you believe in the McCain/Palin ticket, which requires a great deal of self-delusion to begin with.

Posted by: gavin | September 10, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Isn't dissing community volunteers et al a direct challenge and affront to Bush 1's 1,000 points of light? It was a good Republican idea then, is it now one more inconvenient truth?

Posted by: Eric | September 10, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Community organizing is reform at its most basic level and from the ground up. If Palin is a true reformer, she would applaud such activities instead of denigrating them and the people who spend countless hours helping change the way things are.

Posted by: Barbara | September 10, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

To all those who think democrats were taking a swing at small towns, here is what Karl Rove said (on Face the Nation) when Barak Obama was considering Tim Kaine, Governor of Virginia, for VP:

"He was mayor of the 105th-largest city in America. And, again, with all due respect to Richmond, Virginia, it's smaller than Chula Vista, California, Aurora, Colorado, Mesa or Gilbert, Arizona, North Las Vegas, or Henderson, Nevada. It's not a big town. If he were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice, where he's said, 'You know what? I'm really not first and foremost concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States?' "

If Obama had picked Kaine, you can bet these would have been the Republican talking points all over Fox News.

So it's ok for Republicans to question the relevance of governing Richmond (pop:200,000)but not for Democrats to question the relevance of governing Wasilla (pop:6,000)? Suddenly it's an attack on small towns?

Obama never attacked small towns. He simply agreed with Rove that being mayor of one is not sufficient qulaification to be vice president.

This whole small town victimization tactic is just a ploy to hide the fact that Republicans have no soltutions to any issues.

The sad fact is we are so gullible that it's actually working.

Posted by: Chad | September 10, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Capehart, here's a tip: stop thinking of McCain and Palin as human beings and starting thinking of them as a pair of demons from Hell. Because that's what they are. They are not trying to win an election. They are trying to destroy Barack Obama so they can go on to destroy America. They must not be allowed to succeed. This is the classic battle--good vs. evil. John McCain and Sarah Palin have shown through their constant lies that they are the agents of evil. They must be defeated.

Posted by: Mark F | September 10, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

The lady said that being a small town mayor is "sort of like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities."

As an organizer and volunteer, I can confirm that a community organizer has responsibilities, not least of which is to get volunteers to do what they signed-up to do. After all, you cannot fire a volunteer or sick the council on him.

More than that, the comment is insulting, whatever spin Republicans want to put on it.

Posted by: AMviennaVA | September 10, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Ah, yes, Alaska, one of our most diverse, populous states...

I am totally mystified by the "elitist" label as applied to Obama. What does this mean? Somebody who goes to a good school and does well?

Am not mystified, but positively stupified, by this moronic idea that our choice is between "God, Guts and Guns" and "communism." SOMEBODY better fix our educational system and soon. Let's start with Reasoning 101:
- A feeling is not a persuasive argument
- Name-calling is not a valid means of supporting a statement
- An opinion is not a fact
- Misrepresenting someone's position, such as making "tax the richest 1% just a tiny bit more to make things work a little bit better for the rest" into "socialism" is fallacious thinking - you are presenting the other person's view as more extreme than it is...as is saying something like "let's drill in ANWAR" means "don't give a hang about the environment."

Ah, but I am one of those pointy-headed intellectuals, nay, an ELITIST! But the premise of the U.S.A., you see, is equality of opportunity - meaning that EVERYONE can think critically and participate in the political process intelligently - that is, join the "elite." How I wish a few more would.

Posted by: jirelan | September 10, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Beth, please leave the country now. You're what's wrong with it.

Posted by: Smokescreen | September 10, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Mark B,

"Why are people only comparing Obama's years of community organizing to Palin's year and a half as governor and 6 (?) years as a part-time mayor?"

This is the McCain campaign's strategy. They are hoping that moms across America that are too busy to follow the news will buy it and vote for McCain because they see something in Palin (during the 5 minutes they have to watch TV in between changing a diaper and making dinner) that reminds them of themselves.

Men -- please make a point to take your kids out for a ballgame or something so your wives can read up on Sarah Palin and make an informed decision.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Beth,

Just don't say it and not follow thru either like Alex Baldwin. If McCain wins -- which he will -- leave.

Posted by: Smokescreen | September 10, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

We hear John McCain and his views to the american people. Quote "MY FRIENDS"

www.cspanjunkie.org

Posted by: UNCLE SAM | September 10, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

McCain - why did you sell your ideals so cheaply? Embracing the very things you dedicated your life to fighting is sad to watch, I'm sorry but I've lost all respect for you.

Posted by: mike | September 10, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS ALSO REGISTER VOTERS AND WHEN WE ARE DONE REGISTERING OUR MILLIONS OF NEW VOTERS THE GOPERS ARE GOING TO BE CRYING ALL THE WAY TO FORT LEAVENWORTH.

Posted by: BECKY | September 10, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous,

If serving in the state house where you vote 180 plus times "present" is leading, I've got a bridge to sell you. He's a politician. A niave one at that. Period. He says he's for "change" but the only change he's for is party control, not real change. His prescription is more taxes on folks that work hard to hand to others. What's new with that failed policy? He also wants to tax "corporations" more. Any one that understands economics knows corporations don't pay taxes -- they collect them from consumers. Raising corporate taxes is just a convenient way to hide our true tax burden. He has no original plans and he picked a 40 year Washington insider as his VP which looks really bad compared to Palin.

Posted by: Smokescreen | September 10, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I think you are taking Governor Palin's remarks out of context in that she was coming back at the Democratic Nominee's attack on her qualifications. It has nothing to do with a community organizer as much as it has to do with the fact that this man pulled the first punch. He can dish it out but he can't take it. Now isn't that just too bad.

Posted by: S. Wells | September 10, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I WAS A P.O.W. AND THE SURGE WORKED...

I TOLD CONGRESS THANKS BUT NO THANKS FOR
THAT BRIDGE TO NOWHERE.

TODD GO GET THE CHECK OUT OF THE MAILBOX.

Posted by: scratch in a record | September 10, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Becky,

Guess we'll be in jail right next to the House Ways and Means Chairman Charlie Rangel who doesn't pay taxes on his outside income, has a home that he got an interest free loan on, and was given 4 -- yes 4 -- rent controlled apartments to live in (to heck with the poor folks that need housing).

Both parties have scammers/crooks and it's unfortunate that too many folks in DC are on the take for themselves instead of the country.

That includes Obama who asked for a $1 million dollar earmark for his wife's hospital.

Posted by: Smokescreen | September 10, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I think the "small town" line was coded racism.

Apparently "small town" means an absence of people of color, gays, immigrants, and the like.

You know, and I know, that the "small town" the All-white, all-male, All-Christian, GOP is envisioning is a throw back to the pre-desegregation days.

Posted by: Jim | September 10, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't often read comments, because who cares what a bunch of people with nothing better to do say about something a professional writer has already covered?
Reading this thread renews that conviction, and lets me know once again just how crazy Republicans really are.
Thanks.
How else would I have ever known Sarah Palin's resume blows away Barack Obama's?
Wow. That's hard-hitting truth if I ever saw it. And the lipstick on a pig thing. Brilliant self-parody.
Sad. I really am sad to see what this fine country has come to in my old age. It's the overwhelming stupidity combined with absolute certainty that makes it so hard to stomach these people.

Posted by: lynceus | September 10, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I really believed that we for the first time in nearly all of my lifetime (62) could again be focused on the enormous issues. I heard what was said by O'Bama that we are at a critical point -- look at China, India, our economy, our deficit, our 2 wars, 60 percent without insurance, housing, and we have now had this enormous distraction. You may like Palin, but do you really believe she could be President. McCain is 72 now --next year he will be 73. Think about that.

Posted by: Elaine Burns | September 10, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Here's a link to an article from August 2007 that gives some information on Obama's community organization work at Altgeld Gardens, projects on Chicago's South Side.


http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070826/3obama.htm


Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I love users who site Governor Palin's so-called 80% approval rating (it's been dropping since trooper-gate) in Alaska as evidence that she is qualified to be VP. In his second year in office, George Bush had a 90% approval rating. That's worked out well.

Most of the Alaskan budget comes from Oil Industry Taxes and Federal handouts. She doesn't have to make any tough choices like any governors of states in the lower 48. All she has to do is be less corrupt than the previous Republicans. Big challenge there.

Posted by: Amused | September 10, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Jim,

Take your racism crap somewhere else. I worked to try and get Michael Steele eleceted in MD where he was told he wasn't "black" enough and had oreo's thrown at him. We saw who the racists were and they are the Democrats. If you're black and a Republican than you're not really black.

Not to mention the fact that 98% of blacks voted for Obama in the primary. Racism? I think so. Lunch box union guys that wouldn't vote for a black man and thus voted for Hilary. Racist. I think so.

Dems are the racists. I'm not voting for Obama because he's a socialist - not because of the color of his skin.

Posted by: Smokescreen | September 10, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Beth,
Smokescreen is what it is, a BIG lie! Smoke screen will goe up in smoke. McBush/Paling/Rove ticket a joke!

Posted by: got beth's back | September 10, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Charlie Gibson will ask her about:

1.Troopergate/ currently stalling the investigation & refusing to turn over 1100 emails.
2. Replaced the guy she fired in troopergate with someone with a sexual harassment complaint who lasted 10 days – and then gave him a $10,000 severance package in exchange for not suing the state.
3. Todd’s Alaska Independence Party membership & Sarah’s affiliation
4. Used a state site to promote mining interests over clean water.
5. Bridge to nowhere: being for it before she was against it – and still lying about it!
6. For earmarks before she was against them
7. Pumping money into a bankrupt Alaska dairy and then selling it off to cronies
8. Firing employees as mayor over loyalty issues
9. Inquired about how to ban books & then tried to fire the librarian
10. Involved in the 527 for Ted Stevens
11. As mayor hired a lobbyist to secure $27 million dollars in pork for town of 6,000 residents.
12. Her own still dubious pregnancy/flying 3000 miles after her water broke and then back at work 3 days after the “birth”.
13. Her expensive ($25 million) screwup with building a sports complex in Wasilla as mayor
14. Anti-abortion, even in the case of rape & incest. Alaska has one of the highest rates of rape and incest in the country!
15. Anti-gay marriage
16. Pro-abstinence education only - and Alaska has one of the highest STD rates in the country!
17. Pro-gun
18. Anti-environment (wolves and polar bears & beluga whales)
19. Pro-drilling, including ANWR.
20. Global warming denier
21. Creationist/wants it taught in schools
22. Thought the Pledge of Allegiance dates to the founding of the country (it was penned in 1892 and “under God” was added in 1954)
23. She states on her stump speech that she cut her own salary as mayor (she did by $4,000) – but the city had to hire an administrative assistant to help her – a position that did not previously exist.
24. Attends a church with an anti-Semitic, anti-Islamic pastor that believes you can “pray away the gay”
25. Charged the state nearly $17,000 in per diem travel expenses when she was living at home
26. Fannie & Freddie gaffe.
27. The troopers union is filing suit because Trooper Wooten’s personnel records were looked into.
28. Supports killing wolves from helicopters.
29. Sequestered from the media.
30. That personal chef she fired from the mansion, Stefani Marnon, is still on the state payroll – now cooking at the Legislative Lounge.
31. Attended 5-6 colleges in 6 years.
32. Son Track involved in juvenile incident where he and 3 other kids stole vodka, then vandalized fifty school buses. He may have enlisted in an “either jail or military” deal.
33. Firing her friend and legislative aide, John Bitney, because he was dating the wife of one of her married friends
34. Still lying about selling the plane on E-Bay for a profit.
35. Not a “hands on” executive & lacks follow through. One of those executives who doesn’t read much beyond the executive summary. Not unlike Bush.
36. Vindictive & mean. Does not like dissent. If you are not perceived as loyal, she’ll crush you. Not unlike Cheney, Bush, & Rove.
37. Video showing her stating that she doesn’t know what a VP does. The rest of us learned this in the 3rd grade.
38. Palin promotes Alaska National Guard general three days AFTER he indorses her.
39. Left the city of Wasilla 20 million dollars in debt.


Posted by: Edarling Fields | September 10, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Many times voters in this country vote against thier own best interest due to a charming personality, good looks and cute quips. It looks like there is a good chance that history will repaet itself and McCain will win the election becuase of Palin..once again voted in by people against their own best interests.

Posted by: Dave | September 10, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

To lynceus:
I really wanted to disagree with you! I wanted to say that those of opposing views NEED to talk to each other. Unfortunately, you are quite correct because that is not what is happening here. People who are know they are right, lack any ability to be self-critical or to see that complex issues are actually complex, and think name-calling constitutes debate, are incapable of true discussion. And sadly, the online format makes things worse. I'm done too.

Posted by: jirelan | September 10, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

While the writer's point is the correct one, to make it seem that Sarah Palin had anything to do with writing this speech is just wrong. She's a mouthpiece and nothing more. the GOP love their new celebrity (she's their new Tom Selleck) and are blinded by the fact that she's been hidden behind Bush and McCain's advisors and words since Day One. I wouldn't let Palin balance my check book. There are a lot of women inspired by Palin who are now planning on voting for Palin. However, there are also a lot of independent male voters like myself that are now voting for Obama after seeing McCain lower himself by pandering for votes.

Posted by: Matt in Mass. | September 10, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's compelling story is a fiction created by the Rove team, just as they created the George W. Bush compassionate conservative and uniter before we all got to know George W. Bush the irresponsible fiscal run up the deficit and cut your taxes while we spend billions every day on Iraq. Also, since he took office, the partisanship in Washington has never been so bitter.

Now we are to believe that Sarah Palin had actual responsibilities when she was mayor, when, in fact, she fired so many people that a recall effort was started and she was forced to hire a city administrator (the first time this position was necessary) to perform her actual responsibilities. We are supposed to believe Sarah Palin when she says congress aid here is the money for a bridge to nowhere and she said no thank you, being the maverick reformer she is. The truth is she was originally for the bridge to nowhere, when it became a symbol of the excess and senseless pork in Washington, Alaska decided to keep the money and spend it on other construction projects. Sarah Palin canceled the bridge to nowhere project only when the federal money had been spent elsewhere and there was no longer enough money to fund it. We are supposed to believe that Sarah Palin is not coming to Washington to get the good opinion of the Main Street Media, she is coming to change things, this from someone who hired a lobbying firm to get more earmarks and got $29 million, more per capita that any other state. She still had $70 million worth of projects on her wish list. I think that all the press about the pregnant daughter, etc. is to distract attention from her actual record.

Posted by: AnnTerry | September 10, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that the (R) suckers who fall for Karl Rove Antics always come here with this RACIST stuff. They make things a black and white thing! I honestly feel despite what the B-U-M-P dictates (R) know Obama has a better shot. One thing is for sure, RACIST (R) has a way of showing their ARSES!

Posted by: WHY? | September 10, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Jesus Christ was a community organizer. Pontius Pilate was a governor.

Posted by: John B. | September 10, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Instead of whining about being "denigrated" how about acknowledging that community organziers do not face re-election. They're activists at best and thugs at worst, but are not ultimately held responsible for their actions and decisions.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

It is absolutely apparent that Palin has no idea what community organizers. They mange and make critical decisions all of the ime. Her disparaging remarks are an example of how out of touch she is with regular community folk. That McCain supports her beliefs is further proof that he too, is lost when it comes to knowing what everyday Americans think and do.

Posted by: Cheryl | September 10, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Someone said you should speak up on Morning Joe, and I agree. You let him talk about your ties, but you never state your opinions. It's easy to write about them, when no one disagrees, but something else when you could face opposition.

Posted by: gail wade | September 10, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Jonathan.. I was wondering when someone would write about this snub to Community Organizers. Who the heck does this hick think she is.. Just because she has been plucked from the backwoods of Alaska to give John McCain a boost does not mean that the light of ignorance will be shining on her forever. Once the truth is revealed about this underachiever religious psycho she will take the water taxi back to the lodge and be forever ridiculed by the American voter.

Posted by: lg. | September 10, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Let's take a step back for a moment:

What prompted her to say this in the first place?

She was prompted to say it because her naysayers were giving short shrift to her own experience as the mayor of a small Alaskan town. Her experience gained from running this town, they were essentially saying, is worthless.

So I find her counterpoint somewhat refreshing, if a bit snide.

She was simply trying to say that her experience IS actually worth something, especially when compared to Obama's experience as a community organizer. She did it in a clunky way, but it was effective.

That, to me, is the problem with politics these days. Everyone is SO polarized, and full context is ignored. If I just read your article by itself, I would think Ms. Palin is attacking community organizers - without understanding the real story, that she's "jabbing" at Obama's experience as a community organizer because Obama supporters were "jabbing" her own experience as a small-town mayor.

But hey, sure, let's look at it through a single lens, and get outraged over her "attack" on community organizers. To be honest, your article is as unfair and biased as the McCain camp's manufactured outrage over the "lipstick" comment.

Posted by: Mugwump | September 10, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Successful community organizing indicates an ability to meet problems head-on and thinking outside the box to get things done. If that self-selects for people who lean towards being liberal democrats, so be it. Conversely it self-selects, by definition, against conservatives who tend to look for traditional ways to solve new problems that arise in changing world. A bit counter intuitive, don't you think.

Posted by: Phil, Fairfield, NJ | September 10, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I'M THE REASON JOHN MCCAIN WILL LOSE THE BID FOR PRESIDENCY...

Posted by: BOB BARR | September 10, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I just took a dump in my mouth

Posted by: WHY? | September 10, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

BOB, DON'T KEEP ME OUT OF THE LOOP. SAY NO TO MCBUSH/PALIN/ROVE

Posted by: RALPH NADER | September 10, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I am Jesus Christ. Get it?

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama | September 10, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Palin AND HER SPEECHWRITERS ...

Zing!

Wow, Capehart, everyone knows the new messiah speaks extemporaneously and without the benefit of speechwriters. Every morsel, from 57 states to throwing grandmothers under the bus, spring whole from his sacred mind.

Sad we can't say the same for Biden, eh? Why come up with your own thoughts when you can just plagiarize. Think on that -- your VP selection is a known plagiarist. What happens to plagiarists in the real world?

Posted by: Fuji | September 10, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

There are a lot of "haters" out there,as an Afro-american woman I am a Palin supporter (previously a strong Hillary fan)I like Sarah, and if Barack loses this election it will because of the anti-Hillary sentiments that cause him not to pick her,and old John was not as stupid as you guys thought. Barack dosen't like the Clintons, so instead of getting advice from the one Democrat since FDR who has one 2 terms , he starts believing his own press and missed an opportunity to have a strong ticket. I am a Democrat and all we do is rant and rave and lose elections.I am seriously looking at this woman as the real deal and may vote for old John,you guys keep ranting,

Posted by: Que | September 10, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Why aren't we comparing Palin's record as mayor to Obama's record as law review editor? Keep it going. I want kindergarten transcripts!

Posted by: Walt | September 10, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Only a small town mayor would feel the need to respond to a perceived slight with a slight. Obama and Biden have never said a word about Palin's time as the mayor of Wasilla. They have actively avoided commenting on the positions listed on her resume in favor of commenting on her actual record. (E.g. She supported the bridge to nowhere before she was against it; She hired a lobbyist to help her get $27 million in federal earmarks for Wasilla, although she now says she's against earmarks).

There are dozens of ways Palin could show that she is qualified and defend her record. But she spends her time dissing the fact that Obama was a community organizer and freaking out about a cliche.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Que, you are a sow.

Posted by: Barack | September 10, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

There are a lot of "haters" out there,as an Afro-american woman I am a Palin supporter (previously a strong Hillary fan)I like Sarah, and if Barack loses this election it will because of the anti-Hillary sentiments that cause him not to pick her,and old John was not as stupid as you guys thought. Barack dosen't like the Clintons, so instead of getting advice from the one Democrat since FDR who has one 2 terms , he starts believing his own press and missed an opportunity to have a strong ticket. I am a Democrat and all we do is rant and rave and lose elections.I am seriously looking at this woman as the real deal and may vote for old John,you guys keep ranting,

Posted by: Que | September 10, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

This article was absolutely spot on! Republicans are always touting the "pull yourself by the bootstraps" homage...and yet they completely direspect people who try to do just that. There is no other way to interpret what Palin said but an insult to community organizers. I'd rather have a community organizer who has faced tough (and in some cases life threatening) challenges leading me than the corrupt former mayor of some podunk town in Alaska where shotguns and chewing tobacco are the norm.

Posted by: BrandyHemlock | September 10, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

This whole debate is ridiculous. Madison Avenue proved it long ago, and Rove merely applied it directly to politics. People are inherently gullible and willing to believe what they are told. It's a deeply ingrained safety mechanism from thousands of years ago. So when Palin sneers off a bunch of disingenous garp, and then goes on the road repeating it ad nauseum, it becomes truth to many people. The only way to effectively counteract this is to spew your own disingenous garp. The Democrats keep trying to avoid doing this, to hold the moral high ground, and the Republicans keep winning the White House. Looks to me like it will happend again. Lie, twist, sneer, and denigrate... it works. Just ask McCain... remember? He has an illegitimate black baby and his military service wasn't worth a crap. That is how Bush and Rove destroyed the original John McCain. Hey, if wasn't illegal to cheat at Blackjack, I'd do it all the time.

Posted by: Dave | September 10, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

You can put lipstick on a ho, but she's still a ho.

Posted by: Osama bin Biden | September 10, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, we shouldn't diss the Community Organizers.

He SHOULD diss the Political Organizers, though.

B. O. stinks.

Posted by: Gagging | September 10, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Smokescreen is so DUMB he uses my name saying "I took a dump in my mouth" what a smokescreen. are you really that dumb?

www.cspanjunkie.org

Posted by: SMOKESCREEN | September 10, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Que, you are a redundant sow.

Posted by: Barack | September 10, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Que,

You really need to find some help because if you as an African American woman and registred democrate really believe that Sarah Palin (1) cares about issues that affect you specifically and (2) can actually lead with something more than a "hockey mom" mentality then you are in desperate need of psychoanalysis and rehab...you're smoking something God-awful if you think Palin gives a flying fig about you.

Posted by: BrandyHemlock | September 10, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

What's that smell coming from the white house? It's BO!

Posted by: 2009 | September 10, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

JaxMax = dumbest person ever.

Posted by: nonagon | September 10, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

NEWS REPORT: Oil officials given sex, gifts, investigators say
13 Interior Department employees handled billions in energy royalties.
___________________________________________

This was happening in the Bush Administration, will John McCain clean George's mess? NOT. He's a fox in a chicken outfit, claiming for change and being a maverick.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Everyone knows Sarah Palin hates women!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Whoa are we going to go back to Palin's days as a girl scout, high school whatever, pta mom days to find the experience she needs to meet/negotiate with world leaders?? I thought mayors of small towns were "community organizers"?? Is she implying that her mayorship was on a different plane/planet

Posted by: sowafeam | September 10, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I jus wanted to pretend that anyone of any influence or curiousity will actually read my comments.

Posted by: gng | September 10, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Well everything that's come out of Palin's mouth has been either sarcastic or just flat out lies. We do not know this woman, and will not know her in 8 weeks. Being the mayor of a tiny town does not impress me. I'm pretty certain it was a part-time job. Being the a principle of a large high school requires more managerial skills. And being the governor of a sparsely populated state for less than two years hardly qualifies this woman to be so close to the WH. Her religious views, at least what I know of them, are way out of line with mine and make me even more uncomfortable. It's just plain nuts for anyone to be going gaga over this woman, or act like she's qualified for one of the toughest jobs in the world. Please people, come back to reality.

Posted by: spicegal | September 10, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

who elected and re-elected BO "community organizer"?

Posted by: question | September 10, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Interesting you characterize Palin's remark as belittling but do not mention the Obama campaign statement that gave rise to her statement:

"John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency," said Obama spokesman Bill Burton in the first official reaction.

I assume you think belittling small town mayors is fair game, but don't touch "comunity organizers."

Further, Obama stated in an interview with Anderson Cooper that running a campaign provided him with more executive experience than governing a town. First, Obama does not manage his campaign- David Plouffe does. Second, why did Obama overlook her current job as governor?

Clearly, Obama's intent was to belittle her. Sarah was defending herself. After all, Obama introduced the experience comparisons from the start.

Given Plouffe's experience running Barack's campaign, perhaps we will see him run in 2012.

Posted by: Joy | September 10, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

who elected and re-elected BO "community organizer"?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Jim wrote:
Not to mention the fact that 98% of blacks voted for Obama in the primary. Racism? I think so.
________________________
Jim I have seen this illogical argument made many times. First, your numbers are wrong. Check again, 98% of blacks did not vote for Obama in the primary. Even if they did that does not constitute racism. They are not trying to oppress white people by supporting a black candidate. Using your logic the majority black people would have supported Alan Keyes, Shirley Chisolm, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton in the primaries, simply because of skin color. Obviously that is not true. Your definition of racism would mean that the majority of white people in this country are racist because they have overwhelmingly supported white candidates in the primaries and have only elected white presidents. When people vote in support of someone that does not make them racists, it's when people vote against someone because of their race. Your comments in fact could be construed as being racists, because you believe that black people only vote based on race. It's like you are implying that black people somehow do not have the ability or intelligence to vote for a person that best represents their interests. I mean really the Republican party is 80+% white and have always nominated white candidates, does this mean that all white Republicans are racists?

Posted by: Alex | September 10, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"Drill Baby Drill" "Community Organizers are useless and don't really have responsibilities,individuals can't make a difference, Old people should have to look and find thier own health care,I'ts ok to torture people before we know thier innocence or guilt, it's fine to shoot exhausted animals from a helicopter after a gruelling chase,It should be the government's right to make a woman's personal decisions about her body for her.It's ok mo marginalize and deny rights to men and women who are born gay.That violates the "sanctity of marriage but it's ok that half of these same people think nothing of 6 out of 10 marriages that end in divorce . It's a sin to play god and take a fetuses life but not a life that belongs to a convicted felon that can't afford an expensive lawyer. Hypocrits down the line and many of you are still falling for the same directions down a dark path to this countries inevitable failure.

Posted by: Brollens | September 10, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

who elected and re-elected BO "community organizer"?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Folks, it's not right to unleash immature attacks on Que, because she says she's a black woman who likes Palin.

That said, I think in our society black women deal with baggage that I believe no white woman from a remote part of Alaska would ever understand. Also, I think Palin's background does not indicate she would understand what it's like to be a single mother or poor.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

ok you listed Peggy Sheppard's achievements that bettered her community.

Let's see Obama's....

errr...uh....ummm...uh....CHANGE...the subject

Posted by: brian | September 10, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Que......you can't call yourself a fan of Hillary's and support Palin. She's diametrically opposed to everything Hillary has fought for her entire life. If you're even telling the truth, you're being conned and used by the Republicans, but you go girl. Vote for someone who would take your reproductive rights away, someone who thinks creationism should be taught in school, and believes it's okay to ban books. You don't even know Palin. But hey, fine if you want to like her. Doesn't mean she's qualified to be vp, let alone president. Obama made a mature thoughtful decision when he chose Biden, and there were plenty of good reasons not to choose Hillary, who I admire greatly, but don't believe she would have been the best choice for his vp.

Posted by: spicegal | September 10, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Brollens, so community organizers are going around putting girls legs back together? That's kind of invasive. Just call a spade a spade: they're vigilantes.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove thinks he's protecting Sarah Palin by keeping her away from interviews. Why is he protecting her from the American public? To keep her away from the American people is unconstitutional? And thats how I'm looking at it! All the Republican Party has in their attack Campaign. "I was a P.O.W., The Surge worked." "That bridge to nowhere, congress thanks but no thanks." We need answers Republicans, not lies, not whining, not scare tactics. We the American people demand, what do you have to offer the American people?

Posted by: freedom of speech | September 10, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

black women should not support Palin they should vote their skin color, not their genitals do we really have to go over this again?????

Posted by: GoBO | September 10, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Barrack does owe an apology for his remark. To all pigs and pit bulls around the world.

Posted by: B.Rollens | September 10, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

who elected and re-elected BO "community organizer"?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Everything Sarah says is edgy, fresh, a "reformer". But one common expression--lipstick on a pig--is offensive? Sounds like the only thing that matters is who says it. Or should I say which political party says it.

Just like the republicans. Not only do they want all the equipment, and more players than the other team, they want the rules crafted in their favor as well. Just like nasty fourth grade girls.

Posted by: 173rd | September 10, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

who elected and re-elected BO "community organizer"?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"Hey Sarah, Jesus was a community organizer; Pontius Pilate was a Governor"

Posted by: Jennifer | September 10, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Godwilling, Jennifer, Obama will be crucified.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

who elected and re-elected BO "community organizer"?

Posted by: question | September 10, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Jonathan where is all of this truth when you sit across Joe and his puppet. I get so frustrated when you get an opportunity to defend the truth you simply sit there and say NOTHING. However when Joe compliments you on your attire and your tie you have no problems coming up with a response. You are just like all of those so called journalist who fail to report the truth and FACTS to us. Although your article is a good one, what good does it serve when you keep your mouth shut about it on TV. Thanks for NOTHING!!!!!

Posted by: Pascale | September 10, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Since Obama = Jesus, what do Jews think of him? Are you saying that the Jews will turn Obama over to Sarah Palin to be crucified? If so, when and where?

Posted by: just wondering | September 10, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I can understand if Palin was defending herself against the criticism of her not having adequate experience to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. But it was the theme during the convention - did you hear Giuliani say "community organizer, what???" and the crowd - who presumably never had any community organizers in it or just deride community work broke into laughter. You could tell that this line of attack was intentional and coordinated during the convention. After all it wasn't her speech - she was handed a speech.

Posted by: obzerver | September 10, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

who elected and re-elected BO "community organizer"?

Posted by: question | September 10, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

community organizer = welfare thug

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's comment was correct. Obama didn't miss out on a lucrative job at a law firm to do community work - HE DID THE COMMUNITY WORK BEFORE HE WENT TO LAW SCHOOL, GRADUATED, HEADED TO CHICAGO TO WORK AT THE LAW FIRM WHERE HE MET MICHELLE! So who is lying here? Obama has such an inflated opinion of the little he has accomplished and believes that because he is an articulate black man, he DESERVES to be POTUS. So get off your high horses out there and stop lying about the messiah.

Posted by: Jaye | September 10, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

As a animal rights activist, I am appalled by the fact people are putting lipstick on pigs!

Posted by: TB | September 10, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Lipstick on a pig would hide the purple lips of the coke snorting Obama.

Posted by: Steve | September 10, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Jaye, how dare you question the messiah? You will be smited.

Posted by: union thugs r us | September 10, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

who elected and re-elected BO "community organizer"?

Posted by: question | September 10, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Jaye, how dare you question the messiah? You will be smited.

Posted by: union thugs r us | September 10, 2008 5:25 PM

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LOL, UNION THUGS!

Thanks for the fair warning.

He is just an absolute fake and has pulled the wool over so many. Now let's call a spade a spade here!

Posted by: Jaye | September 10, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Palin could have compared her Mayorship to community organization without the throw away line about a mayor having "actual" responsibility. This was an obvious attempt to put down Obama's experience.

I guess only people working in small towns deserve credit for getting involved. And the GOP wonders why it has problems with the non-white vote.

Posted by: Moley Russel's Wart | September 10, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

>>What is clear to most of us is that Palin was talking about electoral responsibility; that is, being judged by voters at the next election for your performance.<<
Heheheheheheh
Sure Peanut, sure...
That isn't what she said, of course, she actually said..."I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a ‘community organizer,’ except that you have actual responsibilities,"
Of course, you mistook "actual" for "electoral"...sure Peanut, sure....

Posted by: Dijetlo | September 10, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

JaxMax...just another example of the LIES republicans get people like you to believe and spread. Check your facts and show some integrity by not spreading proven LIES on postboards...Are you just a liar...Racist? Or BOTH?

Posted by: pm | September 10, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

who elected and re-elected BO "community organizer"?

Posted by: question | September 10, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Your editorial about other people's accomplishments as community organizers simply underscores the complete absence of any known accomplishments by obama as community organizer. I agree that some community organizers do important things, but what did Obama accomplish exactly? Did he start new programs, get people benefits and shelter, register them to vote, etc.? The Obama campaign has been unable to cite to Obama's accomplishments as a community organizer, and the silence is very telling. If he was so effective, you would think that someone, anyone, who was helped by his efforts would come forward to tell their story.

Posted by: Jane Morgan | September 10, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE don't blame PALIN for her stupid remarks. She is scripted by McCain to say whatever sounds good to prop up her extremely weak experience record.

She is so anti-abortion that I think perhaps she might have had personal experience in this area.

What Mother would drag her Doun S kid around and in big , noisy crouds such as the Republican convention? I am appalled at her lack of discretion to protect her retarded child.

If you like her, she's yours.

Posted by: WALTER | September 10, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Jane Morgan, how DARE you ask questions about our Lord and Saviour, our Dearly Beloved Leader, Whom the Goddess Oprah has Annointed the Messiah?

Posted by: Jeremiah Wright | September 10, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

First what we've got to do is kill all the 'tards.

Posted by: WALTER | September 10, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Jane Morgan: you are correct. The truth being that Obama became disguntled with the community organizing work - he worked for ACORN - the far to the left organization - and he found that he wasn't being successful and realized that he needed to be a politician to try to get something done. Thus, he went to law school Interestingly enough, he hasn't released his grades from Columbia - the reason being that his grades were not actually good enough to get into Harvard "that way". He got in there as an affirmative action appointment. These are facts that the Obama campaign will not release. What are they afraid of? That there is proof that he isn't what he is all cracked up to be?

Posted by: Jaye | September 10, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Jane and Jaye you cannot question the Lord God Obama until you two have written two memoirs about your pathetic empty lives.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Reading all the above comments remind me what winston Churchill once said: "The strongest argument against democracy is a 10 minutes discussion with an average voter." Why do we waste so much time to discuss muslim pigs and lipstick, while we have so many problems that concern my and your future? Let stop being stupid! Hugo

Posted by: Hugo | September 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse


Almost as sickening as Palin's nasty "joke," were the images of a stadium of wild-eyed white people gnashing their teeth and mocking and sneering along. It reminded me of the anti-segregation rallies in the '60s, when all the crew-cutted racists leered at the despicable rants, just before they went to turn the hoses on other human beings and torch black churches.

It was a deeply disgusting display, one echoed in the vile racist comments on these boards.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Who cares what a hustler has to say about the next VP of the United States.

Posted by: LetsRock | September 10, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

The founders of our country, regardless of your opinion of them, were community organizers. How did the tea get into Boston Harbor? It was through community organization. What was it that Franklin, Washington and Hancock were doing? They organized a community that became a great country. When I here McCain / Palin "diss" community organizers I realize how out touch with America they are.

Posted by: supascience | September 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Palin is nothing more than McCain's choice to attract women voters. She offers nothing to most Americans, and is offensive to anyone who has actually worked in their communities. She isn't a pig with lipstick. She's a lying pig with lipstick.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Ms Palin is so shallow she probably doesn't even know what she's parroting. Why does she keep repeating the bridge to nowher lie after it's been debunked by every major news outlet? Just a liar or is she a stupid liar? You have to question her intelligence - like if she has any. With no brain you have no shame.

Posted by: Jilli | September 10, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Oh, my - what shall we do to make things right with the messiah? I guess campaigning for McCain/Palin isn't exactly what he would want us to do. Cheesh! He is just a sorry excuse for a political candidate. One self-centered guy who really cares only about himself.

Posted by: Jaye | September 10, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, Palin's stating that a community organizer doesn't have the EXPERIENCE to run for POTUS. How did you miss that? It's not that the job doesn't have responsibilities, it's that the job doesn't qualify you to run for POTUS.

Nobama in 2008. Go McCain Palin!

Posted by: Anna | September 10, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey Capehart,

Did you ever write an editorial about Obama's comments belittling mayors of small towns?
No.
Palin took a shot from Obama, and she shot right back. Your bias is breathtaking.

Posted by: Dave | September 10, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to pay my mortgage or student loans. Just because I borrowed money doesn't mean I should have to pay it back. Its not fair. I want Obama to give me everything so I don't have to do anything. Why should I pay for my own health care when Obama will make YOU pay for it?? Ha ha, suckers.

Posted by: Dave | September 10, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

For all those who are denigrating community organizers: When you've been in the trenches and understand the responsibility and relationships you have with those in need, come talk.

Until then, stop your cowardly words because you don't know. Just like you don't know what it's like to be the mayor of a small town in Alaska - yet you defend it as the outpost to the future.

WRONG. Try either one before you type your drivel. As that is what it is.

Posted by: Captain John | September 10, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Just read a great article....

You know the story out of the GOP about Obama just as a community organizer and Palin as a governor.

Well think about this, for all you that laughed in the crowd when she said this.

Jesus was a community organizer and Pontius Pilot was the governor.

Think hard about it!

Posted by: jerry rubin | September 10, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Richard: You may not have taken Sarah Palin's remark as a slur on community organizers but that's what it was, and what it was meant to be. Palin said she didn't know what a community organizer was but she thought it might be like a small town mayor, except that the mayor has responsibilities, implying that a community organizer has no responsibilities. It got a big laugh. I didn't find it funny. It was an insult to people working at the grass roots level, among whom have been Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., Jesus Christ, Saul Alinsky, and Ralph Nader.

Posted by: Robert Maxwell | September 10, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

WHEN THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE ENGAGES THE REPUBLICAN VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, THEN WE KNOW THAT HIS CAMPAIGN IS IN BIG,BIG TROUBLE. DEMOCRATES NEVER LEARN, THAT'S WHY THEY KEEP LOSING ELECTIONS.
I LOVE AMERICA.

Posted by: sonnysideup34 | September 10, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I can see why some are offended by the comment. But we all know she wasn't making reference to all community leaders but to her opponent. Really, if anyone was so offended to do a full turn around and vote outside their party as one republican did, thye really aren't smart enough to cast a vote! But this is a democratic society!

Posted by: Lisa | September 10, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I love Mrs. Palin's large grammatical errors, as she attempts to sound knowledgeable and informed. Not so good for a journalism major.

Posted by: Jane of the West | September 10, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

I can see why some are offended by the comment. But we all know she wasn't making reference to all community organizer but to her opponent. Really, if anyone was so offended to do a full turn around and vote outside their party as one republican did, they're really aren't smart enough to cast a vote! But this is a democratic society!

Posted by: Lisa revised | September 10, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

This is a war. It is so evil and disrespectful that I can only hope enough folks have the insight to see how the Republicans are using them while picking their pockets. It's very discouraging and very sad.

Posted by: Barbara | September 10, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Palin compared herself to the wrong species she is more like a black snake. From what I hear she does more throwing her weight around rather than by the use of sound ideology decision making. The Rep party is desperate and Mccain finds Palin intimidation can pass as strength. I have heard more foolishness and lies from these people than satan can keep up with.

Posted by: D.Al | September 10, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Below is a list of the books Sarah Palin tried to have

banned from the Wasilla, Alaska

This list is taken from

the official minutes of the Wasilla Library

Board.

A Clockwork Orange by Anthony

Burgess

A Wrinkle in Time by

Madeleine L’Engle

Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden

As I Lay Dying by William

Faulkner

Blubber by Judy Blume

Brave New World by Aldous Huxley

Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine

Paterson

Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer

Carrie by Stephen King

Catch-22 by Joseph

Heller

Christine by Stephen

King

Confessions by

Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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Posted by: H1 | September 10, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I spent 3 years as a "community organizer" working for AmeriCorps - two years in a state program and 1 year in a VISTA program. AmeriCorps is all about achieving a lot without many resources. I was very offended by Govenor Palin's speech. I don't feel that I wasted my time with my AmeriCorps service - but it seemed like she considered my time wasted.

Posted by: Cheryl Kraus | September 10, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

www.jewsagainstobama.org

they're trying to crucify Our Lord

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are the ones who are saying that Palin is actually more experienced than anyone else on the either said of the election. That goes a step past the ridiculous, especially when just weeks ago they were questioning the experience of a potential democratic candidate with a heck of a lot more experience than Palin has. For a maverick, who supposedly doesn't buy into the old school politics, she sure doesn't appreciate other people's service to the community.

If you listen to what the Republicans are actually saying Palin is more experienced than McCain is, so why didn't they run her for President. This is the woman who said that she needed to be told what the VP does before she could say if she would want to be on the ticket. No one is saying that she doesn't have some level of experience but you need to get into the details. Obama has a great deal of experience - people need to really look at his actual experience not just listen to the 10 second sound bite. He's held up to a long, hard campaign trails, with personal interviews, debates, etc. Sarah Palin hasn't been interviewed by anyone since she was nominated - the people who are supporting her should consider that rather than just deciding to support her based on a bunch of half truths and a speech that someone wrote for her.

Posted by: Liz | September 10, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse


Jesus was a community organizer.

Pontius Pilate was the mayor...governor....

Posted by: Just wondering | September 10, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Many of you are missing the point with Palin's comment. It's not that she disrespects the motives or results of community organizers. The point is, she has executive leadership experience from having been a mayor as well as being a governor. Yet the Democratic presidential nominee's best claim to equivalent experience is as a community organizer 20 years ago. So how DO those experiences compare? Even if constrained to just her mayoral experience it compares favorably to Obama's tenure as director of the Developing Communities Project in terms of total staff size, budget, but most importantly in accountability. A community organizer has no accountability to constituents, electorate, or even a court (in any but the most egregious cases of negligence). A mayor is much more accountable and responsible, as Palin said.

Posted by: Doc | September 10, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

It is interesting to read all the hate speech by the bloggers who are allegedly offended by the comment about community organizers and activist. It seems they are selectively offended ONLY when members of THEIR team, relatives or friends are made fun of. Yet........they have no problem doing the same to others and then expect no reaction.

Interesting.

Posted by: rljmsilver | September 10, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey, vote McCain-Palin! And get four more years of this same unremitting lying dreck, while our once-great nation continues its sorry slide downhill to hell.

But if you'd like for things to start actually getting better, vote Obama-Biden.

Posted by: oldhonky | September 10, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

"Cannabis linked to earlier psychosis onset..." This explains why so many left-wingers are becoming unhinged over Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Dave | September 10, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I grew up in a small town in the middle of nowhere about the size of Wasilla. I lived there for the first 18 years of my life. I have only been gone for 6 years, so my perception is relatively fresh. People need to quit toting "small town values" and mayorial experience. In a small town there is massive drug use, lots of pre-marital sex, and so much corruption that your head would spin, and these issues are never addressed. The current mayor of my hometown and previous mayors were not people who I would want calling the shots of America. I used to be a Republican, but now I can't say that I ever will be again because of John McCain. Think long and hard about small towns and how they really are before you claim that as relevant experience for the Presidency.

Posted by: smalltowngirl | September 10, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

should the republican win, you good people
will be watching Dr. strangelove

Posted by: big popi | September 10, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

It's no surprise that Republicans, who seem to think democracy is something to be thwarted every two to four years by systematic voter suppression, intimidation, and outright fraud in order to let powerful corporate lobbyists write the law of the land, would have no regard for the community activists who do the actual heavy lifting of turning citizen needs into public policy and actual reform.

Sarah Palin is a horrible person, and John McCain did us all a great service by picking her as his spokesmodel for the Republican Party.

Posted by: Matt | September 10, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

All this talk about a community organizer. I submit that Obama was an organizer for the same reason John Kerry went to Viet Nam for four months. To build a resume with presidential aims. And thats also where the coke is readily available.

Posted by: Casey | September 10, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Steve,
Cidy McCain has spent millions of her own dollars and years bringing help to the poor and destitute around the world. You liberals can rant and rave all day, but the way I see it conservatives put their money where your mouths are.

Posted by: Casey | September 10, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Capeheart wrote:

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"And Palin's stunning ignorance of what community organizers do isn't being lost on those do-gooders with "no responsibility."

SORRY CAPEHEART, YOU'RE 100% WRONG ON THIS ONE, I'M NO FAN OF PALIN'S THAT'S FOR SURE, BUT SHE IS RIGHT ON THE MONEY-HELL MY MOMMA WAS A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER, LOTS OF MOMS ARE! YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME-REAL RESPONSIBILITY? I DON'T THINK SO! OBAMA HASN'T GOT CRAP FOR A RESUME-AND HE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE IN THE RACE FOR PRESIDENT-HE'S NOT A PEOPLE PERSON, AND HE'S NOT A GOOD POLITICIAN-HE CAN JUST GIVE GOOD SPEECHES, WHEN SOMEONE ELSE WRITES THEM-OTHEWISE, HE'S A DISASTER WHEN HE HAS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON HIS OWN!

"STUNNING IGNORANCE" MY ASS!

Posted by: PALIN WAS 100% RIGHT | September 10, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Of course it was a diss! Are you guys kidding me?! I like how Jon Stewart put it when he analyzed the comment when said that they are basically saying that if you are out there working hard to make a positive difference in your community F#$K YOU!

Posted by: HESS | September 10, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Some moron wrote - John Kerry went to Viet Nam for four months

John Kerry is a true American hero idiot! The dude swam under boats and was shot more than once and killed his enemies face to face. Unlike your idols G W Bush and Cheney who spent their time ducking service and being priviledged wealthy brats! And they still slandered him and put down his service in the worst way. They should be tried for treason just for that. Oh yeah, he didn't crash 5 planes either..while dropping bombs from far away on innocent women and children.

Posted by: HESS | September 10, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Unbelievable. The people who defend Palin's dissing of community organizers as simply defending her own qualifications as mayor, apparently can't comprehend English!

How can you hear or read "a small-town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities." ... and not recognize that this is saying flat-out that community organizers don't have "actual responsibilities."

But it's not just that, but the dripping, condescending *ridicule* with which she says it ... and the universal applause it generates. That ain't applauding her mayoral record ... that is applauding the cheap shot.

Posted by: secretsauce | September 10, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Community organizers know where all the good drugs are right? Right on.

Posted by: Zippy in Annapolis | September 10, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

In the late sixties and early seventies my grandfather was mayor of a town in Ohio quite a bit larger than Wasilla. He won when the previous mayor, a full time lawyer, had the political bad judgment to say that the town didn't need a full time mayor. My grandfather was smart enough to agree with him ONLY IN PRIVATE. Small town mayors don't, in fact, generally have to make the kinds of decisions that qualify them for any office higher than the second floor of the town hall. They do regularly engage in nepotism, cromyism, favortism, and coruption, small and large scale. That tends to be the nature of being village mayor, as any newspaper from such a burg will easily demonstrate. From what is now public knowledge about Palins Gonernorship, she learned corruption well, and ran Murkowski off, not to reform Alaska's politics, but to capture it for her political fragment of the republican Party.

Now, however, she has Cheney's example to seek to emulate, if not out do.

And she has a senile old gas bag to use as political cover. That look of admiration you see on her face as she watches him splutter is regularly clouded by the dollar signs as she calculates her share of the take.

Bet on it.

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | September 10, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

ceflynline@msn.com

""In the late sixties and early seventies my grandfather was mayor of a town in Ohio quite a bit larger than Wasilla. He won when the previous mayor, a full time lawyer, had the political bad judgment to say that the town didn't need a full time mayor. My grandfather was smart enough to agree with him ONLY IN PRIVATE. Small town mayors don't, in fact, generally have to make the kinds of decisions that qualify them for any office higher than the second floor of the town hall...."

__________________________________________

Wow!! I once knew a community organizer that knew where all the drug dealers were and hung out with them and --bought and used recreational drugs.

--BFD! This first hand "experience" is as relevant as your really bogus post.

So puhleeze, spare us your grandfather stories!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

About Palin´s comment´s on community organizers, let´s quote them word for word:

Palin:"Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska, I was mayor of my hometown."

"And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves."

"I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organiser", except that you have actual responsibilities.""

Understand this, when Palin was presented as the vice presidential nominee, there were quite many who dismissed her experience as a mayor.

Here is an example which has got lots of laughs: http://flickr.com/photos/87119361@N00/319098225

A small town mayor, really is very much part of the community. Every little thing which happens, guess they ask the mayor to participate, take part in organizing - just about no matter what it is. But, you´d have to have lived in a small place, say less than 10th. souls, to really get it.

Now, a problem with people is that they tend to observe what they wish to observe. If, you wish Palin´s words to be a slur on community organizing, then that´s what they´ll be, no matter what.

Posted by: Einar Bjarnason | September 10, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

ceflynline@msn.com

""In the late sixties and early seventies my grandfather was mayor of a town in Ohio quite a bit larger than Wasilla. He won when the previous mayor, a full time lawyer, had the political bad judgment to say that the town didn't need a full time mayor. My grandfather was smart enough to agree with him ONLY IN PRIVATE. Small town mayors don't, in fact, generally have to make the kinds of decisions that qualify them for any office higher than the second floor of the town hall...."

__________________________________________

Wow!! I once knew a community organizer that knew where all the drug dealers were and hung out with them and --bought and used recreational drugs.

--BFD! This first hand "experience" is as relevant as your really bogus post.

So puhleeze, spare us your grandfather stories!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I look forward to more relgious and gun freedom in our schools under a Palin whitehouse.

Posted by: For her | September 10, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

These comments about how community organizers know where the best drugs are, are really bizarre...what does that have to do with anything? I mean, yes, they tend to work in high crime, impoverished neighborhoods where street crimes flourish..you know, the type of places that republicans don't give a crap about and wish would drop off the face of the earth. But, what does that comment really mean? Why are people wasting their time posting the obvious? Just because most of you don't have the balls or the the gumption to help people less fortunate than you or set foot in these areas, why do you judge others that are actually doing something to help.

Posted by: HESS | September 10, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a condescending sexist.
I thought Hillary had 18 million votes. Where is she?
Can Obama's sexism be tied to his Muslim roots.
The Democrats have adopted Republican nastiness and most of it is aimed at Palin. They perceive the women as the threat. First they rejected Hillary, now they attack Palin.

Posted by: Richard Morse | September 10, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

I am a Rebublican and was a Community organizer for 12+ years (from 1978-1992)and this was very fullfilling to me and the people I helped. There were many others involved with us. Thank you very much "Palin" for be-littling me and all those other volunteers.....is this what u & McCain stand for?

Posted by: SSharma | September 10, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin was a mayor and governor. She had such a tough time with Alaska's pork filled and oil royalty filled coffers she gave $1600 back to every Alaskan. With the high cost of living in Alaska, you have to make coin or live off the land. Sarah does not help those that live off the land with permafrost damage cuts, she cut programs when she did not understand them including one for women's services. She is in bed with the oil concerns that developed the field she brags about. She transferred the contract from an American company to a Canadian on to build the pipeline. She is under investigation in the Monegan firing and it appears she has something to hide. That is her governors record, her mayoral record is even worse. 23 million deficit, raised taxes on individuals and raised the sales tax 1/2 a point. Funded pensions 53%, built an unused sports complex and never completed a sewage upgrade. She had issues with a librarians purchases and future purchases. The librarian balked at not having her choice in them and a termination letter was written. Sarah tore up the letter when a thousand signature and growing impeachment petition was started. If she is found guilty of abuse of power by the Alaskan authorities it spells the end of McCain's campaign. Judging by the millions spent by Republicans to squash the investigation, there is probably something there.

Posted by: Jimbo | September 10, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

@ Richard Morse - That is a very surface level observation sir...try again.

Posted by: HESS | September 10, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

I always thought that papa bush's "thousand points of light" referred to volunteering. Why would the Republicans make such fun of the first Pres. Bush's call for community organizers? Or is that not what he meant?

Posted by: leeann | September 10, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if Obama intended to call Palin a pig, but it sure sounded that way. "Lipstick" obviously has special meaning with regard to Palin. He should have stayed clear. After all, everyone knows you don't bend down to tie your shoes when walking through a watermelon patch. I think Obama is being too niggardly with his apologies.

Posted by: No Offense Intended, But... | September 10, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

"a small-town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities."

Except Palin did such a poor job of handling her responsibilities that Wasilla hired a professional city manager to make sure the job got done - for a town of 5,000!

How many towns of 5,000 in the US have a hired manager?

Posted by: Jim | September 10, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Palin and women Palin is a pig
As mayor of Wasilla, Sara Palin charged victims of rape for the forensic testing and collection of evidence, rape kit. The troopers and most muni agencies covered the cost. Not the city of Wasilla, the police dept charged for the rape kit. Governor Tony Knowles an man put a stop to this in 2000. Sara appointed police Chief f Charlie Fannon he disagreed with the law. “The law will require the city and communities to come up with more funds to cover the costs of the forensic exams.” Knowles signs sexual assault bill frontiersman 5/23/2000
http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2000/05/23/news.txt
Recently she replaced the police commissioner with Chuck Kopp. He has a prior work record of sexual harassment that he was reprimanded for. Sara is obviously for abstinence only education, No abortion even in the case of rape, and incest Alaska is 1 in the country for rape and incest.
While its great she went back to work 3 days after having her child, what message does that send to bonding families, healing mothers and employers not happy with maternity leave. Sara has signed up with a man who has consistently voted against equal pay for women. Is she really a woman or is she a man trapped in a woman body with lipstick.

Posted by: carrie | September 10, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

The town that ol' Ridiculous was that mayor of is about 1/3 the size of my neighborhood and the state is less populated than the southwest corner of Chicago where I live. If McCain is elected we are all doomed! And we'll deserve everything we get...can you imagine her facing off with Dimitry Medvedev or Vlad Putin? Oooh Oooh, how about her dealing with Hu Jintao, you know, the president of the country that currently owns all of us thanks to the republicans! God help us.

Posted by: HESS | September 10, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Palin was not castigating the job done by all community activists; instead she was putting Obama's emphasis on his serving in that position in its rightful place. She was pointing out the truth: that a mayor, even of a small town, has more responsibility for budgets and for people than does a community activist.

Posted by: judithod | September 10, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

"What is clear to most of us is that Palin was talking about electoral responsibility; that is, being judged by voters at the next election for your performance. Community organizers do important work, but unlike elected officials, they are not held accountable for their poor performance at the polls. If purposeful misinterpretation of Palin's position is the best you can do, if you really believe that community organizing is first-rate preparation for the presidency, then perhaps there will be a role for you in an Obama/Biden administration."


If this is what Palin intended--to point out that being a mayor is a lot like being a community organizer, except with actual responsibility to the electorate--it would have been very easy to do that by, well, including those three simple words. Are we really supposed to garner this meaning through the thick blanket of snark that reinforced the nasty words that she--you know--actually said?

I've never seen so much grasping at straws in my life. You people will apparently justify anything. Even I, a card-carrying liberal and Obama supporter, can say that the pig in lipstick comment was a pretty stupid thing to say and he should have known better than to say something like that. Just because you like someone doesn't mean you have to make a fool out of yourself justifying every gaffe they make.

Posted by: Katie | September 10, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Too bad McCain and Palin cannot quit while they are "ahead" in the polls. No one has really heard or seen what Palin is all about and McCain's senate voting record tells the tale of him as a Bush/Cheney devout follower.

Sixty days til the big dance, I predict the Dems gain at least one point every week...for the win 58 to 42 % popular vote (even with more trivial diversions and dirty tricks from the GOP side).

Still, we should not discount the Bush family ties to the Diebold electronic voting machine company in Texas.

"Lipstick on a pig"...this is the best they can come up with? Hmmm, I thought we were at war, I thought we were stumbling through a multi-level economic crisis.

Posted by: Donny | September 10, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin compared her government career to Obamas' first job after college. That seems alittle unfair and disingenious.

And she did insinuate that community organizing is insignificant work. What was her major accomplishment as mayor? She built a hockey ring?!?! That's presidential material.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

I have no doubt that Capeheart did great work in his time as a community organizers. I, too, cringed when I heard Palin and Rudy make fun of it...but the points they were trying to make are still valid.

(1) EXPERIENCE. What the Republicans were doing is shining a light on the fact that Obama has no experience. Anybody who knows anything about Capitol Hill knows that Junior Senators have about as much responsibility as a middle school lunch room attendant. The only way that you affect anything in the Senate is through seniority. Thus the reason why Alaska, Hawaii, West Virginia and Maryland get most of the earmarks...their Senators have more time than anybody else. Shining a light that besides that his only other political office was the Illinois Legislature in which he didn't even vote further underscores the point.

(2) CODE WORD FOR DALEY MACHINE. How did Obama get to be from Illinois or in politics? He injected himself into the mechanism as a smart, opportunistic 25 year old of course and nuzzled up to the political bosses and got himself into the scene. After graduating law school and traveling to Bali to write a book (sounds like a man that cares about his community) he joined a law firm and then got back into community organizing. Err, did I say community organizing, I meant voter registration organizing. Call it what you want, but but the guy is an opportunistic with a very flimsy facade. He takes the pulse of the nation every time he makes a comment thus the reason he needs four retractions and restatements to get a clear position (when he takes one).

This is not against the law. Ambition is admirable...just don't act like the man is Mother Teresa. He's just another slick talking guy who wants to be President.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Former Independent makes these comparisons between Palin and Obama:
Post 1996:
Palin - Mayor of a 6000 person town
Obama - Representative of a 700,000 person district.

Palin - Governor of 800,000 person state
Obama - Senator of a 12 Million person state
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In response, I have to ask what Obama accomplished as an Illinois senator. I'm aware that he voted "present" over 100 times to avoid taking a stand, and I'm also aware that thanks to Emil Jones, Obama was credited as the key sponsor of important legislation so that he would have a record on which to run for the U.S. Senate ("Making It" by Ryan Lizza, New Yorker, July 21, 2008).

As a U.S. Senator who first took his seat in 2005, Obama has spent most of his term campaigning--19 months. He has voted with his party 94.8% and 96% of the time. That's quite a partisan record for someone who claims that he will be a "uniter." He has never held a meeting of the Subcommittee on European Affairs, which he chairs, and his claim to co-sponsoring "major" legislation, the nuclear nonproliferation bill, is a stretch. The bill was so noncontroversial (and supported by the Bush administration) that it passed on a voice vote, not a recorded vote.

I'll take Palin as vice president given her experience with budgeting and managing people over Obama as president with his lackluster record as an Illinois senator and his use of his short shift in the U.S. Senate as a stepping stone to the presidency. And his credentials as an attorney are overtouted. There are already more than enough attorneys in D.C.

Posted by: judithod | September 10, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

In response to Donny's comment: Too bad McCain and Palin cannot quit while they are "ahead" in the polls. No one has really heard or seen what Palin is all about and McCain's senate voting record tells the tale of him as a Bush/Cheney devout follower.
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In contrast to Obama's claim that McCain has voted with Bush 90% of the time, here are McCain's actual stats, which can be verified by the Washington Post's Votes Database Project:
2007-08: Voted 88% of the time with party
2005-06: Voted 79.4% of the time with party
2003-04: Voted 84.5% of the time with party
2001-02: Voted 76.2% of the time with party

Posted by: judithod | September 10, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin '08

TWO PIGS IN A POKE

A common colloquial expression in the English language, to "buy a pig in a poke," is to make a risky purchase without inspecting the item beforehand. The phrase can also be applied to accepting an idea or plan without a full understanding of its basis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_in_a_poke

Posted by: patriot76 | September 10, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Considering the fact that George W. Bush has encouraged the involvement of private, non-profit organizations in community projects, such as education, I found this swipe at community organizers ironic and unfortunate at best.

Posted by: cherieok | September 10, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

This very prejudiced and sexist black man missed the point - Sarah Palin was "diss"ing Barack Obama and his lack of experience.

But any excuse to bash a white woman......

Posted by: Black Men Are Sexist | September 10, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

I too wonder why you make such great points on paper and shrivel up on Morning Joe. Please stop letting him intimidate you.

Posted by: peipei29 | September 10, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

When are people going to take the gloves off with Mc Cain. The facts are he is a screw up. Has been all his life. We taxpayers paid for him to go to the Naval Academy and he plays around and graduated nearly at the bottom of the class. By his own admission if he would have spent more time reading the required books he wouldn't have almost died when he wrecked the first multimillion dollar aircraft in the bay near Corpus Cristi. Then there is the aircraft carrier. Was it a missile launch or an attempted dry start of jet engine. Lots of people died that day many millions of dollars went up in smoke. Next major accomplishment is getting shot down over North Vietnam. Why did they call him the songbird. Why do people that were in the same prison as him say he's not fit to be president. I grew up in a town with a larger population than wasilla and our mayor was part time. Very little pay. Fact is she had to hire someone else to manage the town on orders from her higher up handlers. So how does that equate to executive experience for her. Oh I get it its only the top executive talent that would be able to figure out how to be mayor and not actually have to be mayor. All the while spending all the cash on hand and borrowing to do necessary things. Sounds kinda familiar doesn't it. Only she only left the town some 20 million in debt not the almost 500 billion the current republican administration has managed to put us in the hole. And that figure like all the figures coming out of the Bush administration is misleading. It will be a lot more once the full accounting is done by someone not affiliated with the administration. I'm just going to sit back and watch the implosion when the truth finally comes out on Ms Pitbull. With or without lipstick she ain't gonna be so attractive then. And old John so wound up about getting his gnarly old fingers on the nuclear trigger and avenging all those nights in the camp will just be what he's always been. A playboy officers son with no ambition other than to play at being something important.

Posted by: Griz | September 10, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Response to H1 comment about Sarah book ban. Below is the truth from today's USA Today and why you should never get your news from blogs:
"Despite a national discussion about whether Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin sought to ban books as mayor more than a decade ago, the city says there is no record of any books being yanked from the shelves...As discussion about the controversy has spread in recent weeks, non-partisan FactCheck.org reported that a list circulating on the Internet of books allegedly banned in Wasilla was actually a copy of "books banned at one time or another in the United States" from the Florida Institute of Technology library Web page."

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Posted by: Joy | September 10, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse


From:
Head of State
http://tinyurl.com/6lbfdv

Wednesday, September 10, 2008
Palinism: Politics as The Content-Free Violation of Expectation

What is Palinism?

What is it about?

What policies?

What ideas?

What positions?

Even in the Lincoln-Douglas debates, while no doubt many were motivated by regional partisanship, local prejudices, and "the measure" of the candidate, one suspects that at least a rough rendering of the issues--secession vs. Union, free vs. enslaved--was carried in and animated the crowds.

Now, it is pure reaction to pattern. To one impulse expectation violated by the provocation of another impulse, that feels--good.

We have reached the content-free phase of American politics.

A form, an image--glasses, hair, a voice, what it suggests--is enough. She could be speaking the words to the airport timetable, the swearing-in speech of Ferdinand Marcos, the ingredients of a
box of Sizzlean--the image, the sound, and the gathering impulse, the bare stirring from dull lack of novelty--is sufficient to awaken the crowds to angry perturbance at...the stimulus to be perturbed, and the bare sense of actual directed action and purpose that comes with doing so.

Palin herself wears a glazed, slightly confused look in her eyes--what is it that has unleashed this roar, this approbation. Being used to herself, and having been among those who are well used to her, she is unaware of the novelty that her mere form releases in the dazed electorate, yearning for a pretext for expression. Soon, she'll believe it herself.

And, after all, isn't that what democracy is all about? The ability to choose to decide without knowledge? Better yet, to choose your knowledge, irrespective of fact, in correspondence with the liberating, confirmation-free impulse?

This is what today's moment stands for.

These are our satisfactions and securities in this golden age.

Cite:
Head of State
http://tinyurl.com/6lbfdv

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

If the Republicans at the convention knew what a community organizer was, Sarah Palin wouldn't have had to make her smug comparison. It's like demeaning someone for being a nurse. In any event, Obama hasn't been a community organizer for quite some time, so I don't see why that's the focus of Republicans. Outside the GOP, I don't think this sells.

Posted by: SMC | September 10, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

It wasn't just Sarcastic Sarah dissing community organizers. Rude-y Giuliani started the evening with his put-down of C.O.s. Clearly a coordinated theme for the evening. Palin is a Rove/Gingrich puppet and empty pantsuit. Hopefully the media's woodie about her will deflate soon and we can get back to the issues.

Posted by: DemoDevil | September 10, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

How can we find your comments creditable when the first word you use is spelled wrong?

You could at least take the time to get the persons first name right?

Posted by: Dave | September 10, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Hillary suopporters got the same sexist treatment during the primary. That is why we are voting Palin 2008.
Hillary 2012

Posted by: Grace | September 10, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

I would like to know, seriously, why you think that the job of "community organizer" carries more responsibility than that of mayor of a small town. You say Palin displays her ignorance. So tell us now, what is is that Barack Obama accomplished as a "community organizer," other than making contacts with dubious underworld fundraisers such as Antoin Rezko?

Posted by: ttj | September 10, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

To JaxMax | September 10, 2008 2:05 PM

I want to point out to you that I travelled a lot in West Africa (Mali) and East Africa (Tanzania) where the majority of the population are Muslim and they are some of the warmest, kindest, gentlest people in the world.

Your insinuation that Muslim people are bad is pure ignorance and worse than racism.

So, even if Obama was a Muslim, which he isn’t, it wouldn’t be a problem, because the US is NOT a nation for Christians only.

Get an education!!!

Posted by: fl | September 10, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

this article is total biased. But I'm not surprised. When a commentator has shown which side he's on, you can tell that it's not an informed opinion. This commentator missed the point. Palin said that about community organizer because obama himself said that she's a mayor of 5000 people. Apparently, he belittled her experience as a mayor and ignore the fact that she's currently is 20-months governor of a state. Therefore, she's trying to saying that a mayor has more responsibility than a community organizer, which sounds true.

Obama cannot really belittled the fact that she's a 20-month governor because he's only a 143-days senator before running for president.

Posted by: hannah | September 10, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

I would like to know, seriously, why you think that the job of "community organizer" carries more responsibility than that of mayor of a small town. You say Palin displays her ignorance. So tell us now, what is it that Barack Obama accomplished as a "community organizer," other than making contacts with dubious underworld fundraisers such as Antoin Rezko?

Posted by: ttj | September 10, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't usually post on these things...but I'm from Alaska, a town the same size as Wasilla. The people who say she's qualified need to understand that in a town of 5000 people, being the mayor is a part-time job. Our mayor was a civil engineer and did the mayoral stuff in his spare time. It's insane that anyone would allow her to get that close to the presidency based on that kind of "executive experience."

Also, in a town of 5000 people, everyone knows everyone else's business. If you want to know who Palin is, you have to listen very carefully to what people from Wasilla say about her.

Posted by: Blary Fnorgin | September 10, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Putting down community organizers is on par with putting down cops, firemen, soldiers, teachers, doctors, and everyone else who actually works for the common good.
Sarah Palin and her repubican friends are the kind of people who take and take and take; they think the people who give instead of take are fools, and that means she thinks most Americans are fools.

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Community organizers, my butt. Obama wears the community organizer tag like it was a badge of honor. Yet he can't actually explain what he did to organize his community. Obama did so little to help his community as their representative that to this day he refuses to send his kids to public school there. Go ahead...read about it in today's NYT.

The old boy network among the Democrats is freaking out because they can't stand the fact that a Republican woman and mother of five is showing them out to be morons.

Posted by: ttj | September 10, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

didn't take Palin's comment as dissing community organizers. Rather, I though she was making the point that being the mayor of a small town in Alaska is of equal importance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
No she directly stated that mayors have additional importance.
It was a diss.
But this was Rove politics.
What is shameful is the kneejerk defense of Republican sheep for these shameful engineered comments and the other lies and half-truths.
My Republican Mom gleefully described it as funny and entertaining. what next? putting down police and firemen?
Of course Palin would not have the guts to see the real work community organizers do and put them down in person.
Republicans, please don't laugh and encourage this slime fest.

Posted by: Rich Rosenthal | September 10, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Enough! No Seriously…

The McCain campaign has gone too far. Waking up this morning to hear the news that the McCain campaign is demanding that Obama apologize for using the “lipstick” phrase. The very phrase John McCain has used to describe Hillary Clinton at least twice before. With all the important issues to discuss and debate the McCain campaign has chosen to use Karl Rove style politics-taking the focus off the important issues and changing the storyline to superficial headlines that wont matter after Nov 5th. The American people (no matter who you are voting for) deserve better than this. After seven and a half years of the Bush administration we ARE NOT better off. The American economy is spiraling, what victory in Iraq looks like has yet to be defined, education is not equipped for the challenges of the 21st century and America’s oil dependence needs to be addressed (besides chanting drill baby drill).
We need a clear vision for the future-not sensational sound bytes to feed the inept media machine. The media has failed the American people!
It is now up to US-to DEMAND the McCain campaign focus on the issues and not simplistic distortions and detraction. I use to think that by just voting I was completing my civil duty. But now I realize that I must take the next step-US- the American people have to demand better from the McCain campaign. The media is so interested in ratings it is willing to sacrifice our country.
Now I am just one person. I have never done anything like this before. My suggestion is to organize to show up at McCain rallies/headquarters around the country-wherever he travels- and simply ask for the truth. Peacefully ask him to stop the lies and distortion and focus on the issues. I don’t know what else to do…we need to organize and stop the smears. So if you are fed up too-if you have a better idea.
I have created an email just for this purpose. It is up to US-from the bottom up to organize and demand better. This is the president were talking about…not American idol. It was the Republicans who put us in this mess now- John McCain who agrees with the overwhelming majority of Bush policy-now wants to disown the party?
As a teacher part of my job is to teach accountably. Its time for John McCain to be held accountable for his actions!

If you feel the same or have better ideas email me

bizarroworld08@gmail.com

Posted by: bizarroworld08 | September 10, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Jesus was a community organizer.


Pontius Pilate was a "governor".

.

Posted by: Josephus | September 10, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

i wish people would open their eyes and see Palin for what she really is. A bible thumping hypocrite who doesn't hesitate to line her own pockets when necessary.
Here is a woman who claims international experience based upon the fact that she lives near Russia via the Bering Straits. Here is a woman who, in the 21st century, dismisses science and reverts to a book written thousands of years ago by religious ignoramuses. She shows a truly wonderful character which can bring peace and tranquility to the world based upon her thrill at killing harmless animals. Banning books as she tried to do is reminiscent of Hitler and book burning. Why on earth are we even wasting time with this cretin?

Posted by: poorvic | September 11, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

DISS?

I thought that English was the official language of the
WP. So-o my Webster's Ninth Collegiate Dictionary did
not have it, and I figured that Mr. Capehart might be using
Harvard vernacular. But having read the article several
times, I could not get a feeling of what DISS meant, but
I definitely concluded that Mr. Capehart was pissed at
Ms. Palin; but then again he could have been distracted
and had hit the wrong key and really meant the word Miss.

But being away from hip language, I ask .. What It Is .. DISS?

Posted by: 3rd-Party Advocate | September 11, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

I worked for the Housing Authority for several years. We had community organizers we partnered with and the work is hard, frustrating, low paying and at times very sad.
The rewards are great but, they are not abundant in these circumstances.
I felt the republican party insulted everyone of us, those who did community organizing or work in some capacity in the area of helping those who are poor or in need.
I will not forget their insult to the many people who have worked hard to help others and find their snide attitude while in thousand dollar outfits and sipping champaign or martinis and conducting million dollars deals between speeches to be the utmost in crass and uncaring and elitism.
Yes, elitism.
Because that is exactly what the republican party is and stands for. Elitism.
And anyone who doesn't think so is either so gullible and ignorant as to be blind to the truth.
After that convention I have nothing but, total and complete disrespect for the republican party.

Posted by: vwcat | September 11, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Have seen this floating around the web. Says it all:

"Jesus Christ was a community organizer. Pontius Pilate was a governor."

Posted by: Edward Murray | September 11, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

attention war mongers dressed in thousand dollar suits let me tell you : i have travelled in africa and the middle east, and if i were ever stranded somewhere in the middle of the night i would not hesitate to knock on a door and ask for help. Hospitality is the basis of life for muslims.
Who here would dare to knock on a door in the middle of the night to ask for help?? What is wrong with us?

Posted by: poorvic | September 11, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

TTJ wrote:

Community organizers, my butt. Obama wears the community organizer tag like it was a badge of honor. Yet he can't actually explain what he did to organize his community.
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You are obviously a republican. Only a republican would not know what a community organizer does.
an elitist republican.

Posted by: vwcat | September 11, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

All y'all need to go down to the GOP to frat with them boys. We lipstick some Palin on y'all and Obama becomes sissified. Community what? Y'all need some sense, we dan slap some Bush in y'all and about to cain y'all the pale in some lipstick sissy boys n gals. Go Texas and Wasilla. What issues? I love being poor, want to remain poor and die poor. The GOP gon help mr remain poor, cause my contry arse dan like it.

Posted by: Countryman | September 11, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Palin's hot but Omama aint.Sorry... cute make it. Need more lipstick? See Omama.

Posted by: contryman | September 11, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

McBush/Palin: the real bridge to nowhere!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

Hey people it's September 11th, take a minute and reflect on this day. The victims deserve at least a moment.

I don't care about lipstick, Palin, Pork and whatever elso is going on. I'm sick of this election. To you Democrats & Republicans you need to stop the madness and GET IT TOGETHER.

Posted by: Independent | September 11, 2008 2:54 AM | Report abuse

Great Article Mr. Capehart

Posted by: Anne | September 11, 2008 3:32 AM | Report abuse

There is a certain kind of woman who uses her sexuality to bait a man then, when the man shows interest, screams. Example: a female college student who always chooses a seat in the front row of class and sits immodestly, wearing a short skirt---then, the first time the male instructor's gaze wanders to Ground X, reports him to the Dean for inappropriate looking. Something about Palin reminds me of this. She uses her family as a campaign backdrop---then complains when the media show interest in the children. She announces her daughter's pregnancy---then is offended by the attention given to Bristol's situation. She makes frequent mention of her breast-feeding, breast pump, nursing the baby during conference calls and meetings (got that? she is reminding us that she has breasts)---then gasps and faints when anyone acknowledges her femininity. This happens even when the occasion of offense has to be manufactured, as in the lipstick-on-a-pig business (with the media conveniently ignoring that John McCain THREE TIMES used the same figure of speech in a campaign speech). I am waiting for Obama to say "My opponent is skirting the issue" and then hear "A sexist attack! He referred to her skirt!". Palin is like a dominatrix with high-heeled boots and horsewhip, but over this getup she is wearing a Girl Scout uniform.

Posted by: Lilly | September 11, 2008 3:53 AM | Report abuse

Rick, You speak of voting for Obama to give him some executive experience. But in the words of Joe Biden "this is not a job for on the job training" and he had also said many times that Obama lacks experience.

Also Obama has told us over and over again how he wants chnage. What he doesn't say is that for him change is everyone else should change to vote like him.

He has a proven voting record of liberal bias, which is fine. But he has also a proven track record of an inability to vote on controversial issues in the Illinois senate.

As far as palin's reference to being a community activist, lets face the truth, she was not dissing the community organizers but the idea that organizing around a common interest does not carry the responsibilty of a mayor where all sides are weighed and considered. And you have no fear from the electorate, because you are not voted into office.

Liberals are stretching the truth here.

As far as palin's speeches being written for her, so do all the candiates, if you believe otherwise, you are kiddding yourself.

Posted by: bruce peterson | September 11, 2008 4:33 AM | Report abuse

The husband wanted to secede from the united States of America, how much more unpatriotic and militant is that compared to Mrs. Obama????? How come no one is bringing this up.

Posted by: Alladin | September 11, 2008 5:03 AM | Report abuse

With McCain and Palin. The country will get the goverment they want. for which there will be a need more community organizer.

Posted by: tg | September 11, 2008 5:12 AM | Report abuse

Those who say Palin wasn't putting down community organizers aren't taking into account her tone of voice--she was truly a pit bull in lipstick in that moment of scorn. But I don't believe the ditto heads making that argument are in earnest. That is the most distressing thing about this Republican campaign--it's juvenile overtones. It may look like a good tactic now, but I'm betting that Barack Obama is right when he says the American people are too smart to fall for it, especially with so long left to think about it.

Posted by: frank logan | September 11, 2008 5:19 AM | Report abuse

The people voting for Mccain because he picked Palin truly make me sick. We should of let the south leave in the civil war so it could be rotting in poverty right now

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 5:33 AM | Report abuse

Ya she was responsible alright she was responsible for leaving Wasilla (pop 5700) 20 million dollars in debt. Watch out America she's coming your way.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 5:48 AM | Report abuse

I don't like these stupid comments people leave, I wish this crap would be screened or something like that.

Posted by: Lew Ghost | September 11, 2008 5:49 AM | Report abuse

First...Obama's camp said Gov Palin is just a mayor from a little Alaska town, how can she be a VP? Which offended many little America towns...Obvously the comment was obsurd. Now, Gov Palin answered back that Obama was just a community organizer, how can he be Pres.? This is also obsurd because it belittled many community organizers. Ok..You Democrats and Republicans are even. Now Mr Obama is going to do alot more to show us the middle people. Why should McCain & Palin has to say anything other than that old stuffs from the convention? Because their popularity is rocking, why fix it when it doen't brake. Mr. Obama...walks the high road and do not loose it. No more lipstick talk. A President should never lower him/herself to attack the other Vice President, this make you not look very Presidential.

Posted by: Middleman | September 11, 2008 5:51 AM | Report abuse

Hey thats like 3500 dollars a head. Wow

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 5:53 AM | Report abuse

if we say palin is trying to raise the concern about her governorship, what about the other speakers.
I think the present GOP is not for the middle class, i am dead serious.

useless politics and i am sick.

God help America

Posted by: tony | September 11, 2008 5:56 AM | Report abuse

Hey , even if you denegrate others, it's ok if you do it wearing lipstick I guess.

Lipstick seems to be a major factor in being qualified for national resposibility these days.

Posted by: PitStop | September 11, 2008 5:56 AM | Report abuse

for the GOP Pontius Pilate was a community organizer

Posted by: dele | September 11, 2008 6:04 AM | Report abuse

Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill and going after the littlest thing to discredit a person. While all the people you listed have done truly great things and should be congratulated for the difference they made, I don't think they would think their community efforts qualified them to run for presidential office. I volunteer extensively in my community and I sure the heck don't fee like it qualifies me for being president. I didn't take Palin's remarks offensively so the rest of you move on to other things that matter, like the economy. Stop giving us story of dribble like this and give us details on the two candidates platforms and plans.

Posted by: Julia | September 11, 2008 6:35 AM | Report abuse

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OBAMA INJECTS MUSLIM THEMED SLUR "LIPSTICK ON A PIG"

Obama's lipstick on a pig comment--documented on his teleprompter-- is much more than just a sexist slur.

It is a deeeply rooted Muslim slur.

Obama was indoctinated in Muslim theology from birth. His Mother twice married Muslim men, voluntarily embracing their worldview.

Obama was further indoctrinated in Muslim schools.

And ask yourself, If schools can't indoctrinate children with religion, why does the US prohibit religion in our schools?

Obama admitted in a freudian slip on ABC Sunday his "Muslim faith", which the "neutral journalist" quickly correct FOR Obama.

Obama says he is a Christian, but denies he ever listened to his Pastor's sermons etc....

So Gov. Palin is a fundamentalist Christian who Obama, with a strong Muslim indoctrination, compares to a pig--highly disdained in Muslim theology.

Posted by: JaxMax | September 10, 2008 2:05 PM
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I think JaxMax is Muslim too...because he has JM in his name.
Oh my --- ! Maybe I am too!

Posted by: JazMaz | September 11, 2008 6:42 AM | Report abuse

I've got something her lips can stick to...phony bxxxx and a clown called McCain who obviously doesn't have all his faculties. Watch how he has to study his cheat sheet before he says what it says and watch him fidget, wringing his hands, pulling at his fingers while she talks. That the USA is even paying attention to pigs and lipstick is amazing but that's the low intellectual level of the populace. How else do you explain BushII getting elected and the initial support for attacking a puny third world country? I wish we had the draft back, then we'd see how gung-ho they really are in their McMansions and SUV's. "Bring 'em on!" indeed. It's also why the USA still kills people for using a certain plant. Kills them and/or their dogs. It's all very disgusting! And what are we doing in Russia 'backyard' stirring up trouble. Fight the Russians? We haven't won a war since WWII and we wouldn't have won that one but for the Russians and our breaking the Japanese code so we knew what they were going to do. Sure, i know 'all's fair in love and war' but it was kinda cheating never-the-less, wasn't it? ;-)
Bottom line: USA has two choices, Bring 'em on kneejerk McCain, or Obama diplomacy first. Remember when McCain made a joke about Clinton's daughter's looks? A disgusting joke by a disgusting man. I'd like to see him joke with KGB Putin: Hey Putin,how many Russians does it take to launch a nuclear missile at the USA? A hundred! Because they have carry it there!!! Ha, Ha, Ha, BAM! See! It only takes one finger and two keys.

Posted by: Joe Mash | September 11, 2008 6:48 AM | Report abuse

How can anyone take seriously a godless democrats. Don't you see it is only through the lord Jesus Christ and his word that we can save America? The republicans are the ONLY party that practices the word. Vote Republican!

Posted by: Ezekial | September 11, 2008 6:49 AM | Report abuse

I looking on at this race, and i am wondering if women are so bent on putting a woman into the White office, would overlook certain thing. Yes Ms Palin, is a Hockey Mom, but was she too much away from her home, to supervise her Children. The thought is when you have strong beliefs like she has, you would not expect her daughter to be in that problem.

I know a lot of family go through the same things, but with her view, and values her children should be the last to do so.

Also, where is the husband in this situation. I was very taken aback, when this young man was brought on to the stage, as a member of the family, because the Republicans were trying to show how much she accepts her daughter's decisions.

I am not a conservative, not a liberal but i do hold values, like its a woman's right to choose. I do hope women be objective and no be emotional and choose right.

Posted by: Sexyboy | September 11, 2008 6:59 AM | Report abuse

You going to riot and burn down your house now?

Posted by: ralph | September 11, 2008 7:02 AM | Report abuse

Reviewing the responses above is revelatory. A small number of them are thoughtful responses - from both sides - to the points made in the Capehart essay. The majority of them are off-topic emotional spewings which speak to an abundance of anger and a shortage of reason - on both sides. If leadership of our country is really going to be determined by the majority of the citizens, God help us.

Posted by: chuck | September 11, 2008 7:06 AM | Report abuse

Wow, the lefty loonies are out in full force here..
NEWS FLASH...

The cooment was not a dis to Community organizers.. it WAS a DIS to Obama for idiotically trying to use community organizer as HIS qualification for being president...

Average americans got it, they understood what it meant.. Obama, the elitist who has no record, had dissed Palin,a Mayor AND gov,fo being a Mayor..like it was less than important, but his big role handing out fliers as a community organizer was "Presidential"

You lefty loonies need to get a life and stop praying for the government to take care of you..

Posted by: Dave | September 11, 2008 7:15 AM | Report abuse

Great points Dave. I really do not understand the godless left loonies out there. Dont they realize that they are all going to hell? But don't worry Dave, we will win this election with Palin and God on our side;-)

Posted by: Ezekial | September 11, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Everyone here is hilarious! Gosh, I love this country!! You know, Obama is 47 and McCain is 72. What is he thinking? That he can play chess with an old fart that has circled the block 2twice more than him? McCain has no use for Sarah Palin other than a good old chess move. If anyone knows anything about republicans, you think in their lifetime they would elect a minority (yes women are also considered minorities) to the presidency? A constituency that does not believe that a man and a woman should be treated equally or paid equally? A constituency that describe a woman as just mothers, hence denigrating them to the home and the kitchen? Come on people, you are not buying it! I can guarantee you McCain doesn't even like Mrs. Palin. In fact, I predict that once she has served her use to him, he will find a way to dismiss her if he wins the Presidency. Do you see the way he treats his Wife? When they walk side by side, it doesn't even look like they are in the same universe. I have a good healthy respect for McCain's move; he pulled the greatest political stunt in history because he knows he has nothing to offer this country except "bow down for me because I got POWed". He knows if he goes after Obama (even with his little experience) on the main issues that affect us, he stands no chance against a Harvard grad, who is smarter than a tick. The sad part is that Obama is falling for McCain's stunt. It also shows his inexperience with dealing with seasoned politicians like McCain. EXPERIENCE? Bullwash! Give me a smart person anytime who can think fast and surround him or herself with smart managers, and I would elect the person in a heartbeat. We have a saying in Africa that "Old people never change" and "The young never cease to change". I also like another thing about McCain: He perseveres. I mean the dude has been trying to be President forever. The country didn’t think he was good enough 8 years ago, so what makes him suddenly so suitable? Oh, he must have changed, and became a better person at age 72? The darnest thing is that, if McCain had made it 8 yrs ago, I would have voted for him, because the man then is sure different from the man today. I can’t believe that he wants to win so bad that he would develop multiple personalities. Ok, simple questions for all you smart people: When was the last time you saw an AD or speech from McCain talking about how to get us out of this mess? Please send me a link or Video. If you want one from Obama, I think I can dig one up in one minute. Anyway, don’t bother, I hate politics and politicians. Both Obama and McCain + their camps are all liars. I just think Obama has better chances of getting our country back on track. If you don’t believe me, look at is executive experience as the Executive director of Obama for President campaign. When was the last time you met anyone that could out-managed, outmaneuvered and outran the Clintons? Anyone that could pull such a stunt deserves to be President because I think/believe that the Clintons are the greatest political machines this side of the universe. I hope she hangs on and run again sometime so I can vote for her though. For now, I can’t only wish Sarah Palin was the one running for President on the rep side…I think she would have more to offer than McCain does. Sorry, I am biased towards women.

Posted by: Sam | September 11, 2008 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Moses was a community organizer...
Jesus was a community organizer...
Paul Revere was a community organizer ...
Thomas Paine was a community organizer...
Harriet Tubman was a community organizer...
Sarah Palin was a Mayor who did NOT take on the responsibility of being a world changer.

Posted by: B Heqet | September 11, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

John McCain voted in favor of Bush policies NINETY % of the time.

He abandoned his first wife and children for a rodeo trollop who thinks she is an only child even though her father had children from an earlier marriage.

Palin refuses to release her grades from the 5 colleges she attended.

We can't get the most basic info from this bunch and they do NOT represent the family values I admire.

No one has found any other dirt on Obama other than the fact that he has a MUSLIM father. Muslims represent a huge percentage of the population of this planet. They are not all terrorists, though McCain/Palin would like to pretend this is so.

I see another 4 yrs of lies, hypocrisy, tax cuts for the wealthy and more reductions of our CIVIL RIGHTS if these two liars are elected.

Obama may not be the messiah, but at least he isn't an unscrupulous lying sack of you-know-what with a temper that is just itching to push little red buttons. Ask the crew on the U.S.S. Foresstall what THEY though of 'wet start McCain's little shenangan that got 131 innocent servicemen killed.

His Admiral daddy got him off of that charge. How fair. NOT.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

I dont agree with this article, I heard the speech and while it might not be flattering to Community Organizers the play of words was aimed at highlighting the fact that Sen. Obama is exaggerating the importance of his work as a community organizer and its effect in preparing him for the position of President.

I dont also agree with other posters that the portion of the speech on the community organizers is incapable of any other interpretation exept as an insult to com. organizers. Everybody is entitled and can defend their opinion.

Lastly, Im not an American,but I live in a free and democratic state so I can relate to the feelings that abound during an election year...however, I dont agree with posts (mostly for the Democratic Nominee) that try to create a feeling that America will burn down or lose its prestige on the result of one election, it just not going to happen, believe me, in my country we have elected Presidents with less experience than the nominees, and life just continues...and to some who even posted that they will leave their country if their candidate is not elected...to the latter, I think you dont know how great you have it there in the US and dont deserve to be called US Citizens

Posted by: Pete | September 11, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

I have a little joke for you
I have a little joke
a joke that has a big punch line
a side-splitting good joke!

the democrats they had a lock
two thousand 8 was theirs
they nominated the wrong one
and he don't have a pair

the idiots who call the shots
those democrats on high
they nominat-ed o-ba-ma
and now they're asking why

Same old same old democrats
they just don't have no balls
november fourth will soon be here
and..... another democrat falls!

Meanwhile Hillary's chuckling
and she can wait 4 years
for her 012 will be a walk
but ya'll be out on your ears!

Posted by: Jinny | September 11, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Shame on the Republicans for allowing the fanatics and perverts who hijacked their Party to remain as core constituents, and elevating the scary-stupid Palin to the threshold of power. Frankly, they are BOTH idiots. McCain and Palin are both liars, both disgust and repulse me. Palin needs to get new BS lines instead of repeating the same lies over and over, SHAME ON HER AND MCCAIN. I hope voters think for themselves instead of been brainwash by morons.

Posted by: Maria | September 11, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

I think it was obvious that Giuliani was sending a coded message. For someone who prides himself as being a great mayor, you mean to tell me there were no community organizers in NY.

Posted by: who cares | September 11, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Rick.... Obama is in his first term as senator, he has not been elected "numerous times"... one 4-year term, of which almost half he has spent campaigning... I guess that's his way of caring...

Community organizer is undoubtedly an important endeavor, however, if you fail miserably, you are not held accountable, as an elected official, you lose your job, among other things. He was a law professor? Good for him, that means nothing as far as the highest office is concerned...

As far as the assertion that Palin "dissed" community organizers, she no more did that than Obama called her a pig with lipstick... some of you need to grow up and thicken your skin... you act like children and get butt hurt over words and pretend the GOP invented dirty politics when in fact it's been going on for generations, taken to new lows by all sides, so get off your high horse...

I don't like either ticket, but I'd rather have McCain/Palin in office than the representatives of a weak-kneed party of timid souls who would rather react to an attack instead of taking it to the enemy for fear of what other countries will "think" or "feel" about us... NObama in '08!!!

Posted by: Bernardo | September 11, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Of course this article is biased. Why would he say Palin's stunning ignorance over what community organizer do? What about the stunning ignorance about what Majors and Governors do? Didn't mention any of that did he?

The community organizer thing was in response to the heat Palin was getting for being Governor of Alaska.

Yeah...you forgot to mention that did you?

These people are so in the tank with Obama they should be ashamed of calling themselves journalist.

mike t

Posted by: Michael C. Teniente | September 11, 2008 7:56 AM | Report abuse

BTW I concur with one of the poster, Mr. J. if something bugs you could you let people know on MSNBC while on the air or are you too worried that they might not invite you back? For a year and half I have heard that people do not know BO and now 7 weeks remove from the election no one knows for sure what Palin stands for. Go figure. She might be the next president of the US. Can the media stop catering to the McCain campaign? The old man is temperamental and impulsive. Very dangerous, but no one will come out and take him on.

Posted by: who cares | September 11, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Palin and Guliani left no doubt what they meant, and it was demeaning to the millions of community activists that help keep this country running and helping defeat problems.

It was significant that both derisively dismissed Obama's work in the Illinois legislature and the Senate.

Listening yesterday to some poor deluded woman whining about how people laughed when Obama said the phrase, lipstick on a pig, I thought of the many nasty nasty jabs by Marilyn Quayle um,...er.... make that Sarah Palin during her speech, and how her audience ate it up, and has continued to eat it up on the hustlings since.

Housing finance has collapsed, the debt is billions and billions, there were no minorities at the RNC convention in 1992 and 14 at the RNC 2008 convention. Most of my friends have gone wireless for their internet and phone services, thus polls are impossibly inaccurate, we lost 80,000 jobs last month, and another 30 dead in Iraq...

And Palin's dissing the glue that holds communities together?

Bimbo

Posted by: dutchess2 | September 11, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

i suppose mr. capehart's next column will be about the important work being done by small town mayors. yeah, right.
obama "disses" palin's work as mayor -- obama has so much big-time experience -- she strikes back, and capehart crys foul.
typical media bias.

Posted by: jon | September 11, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Be real people. McCain chose Palin because he thought she would bring in the disgruntled Hilary voters. She is not who I want as a vice president. SHE DID DISS COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS! Anyone who disagrees isn't really being truthful. Anyone who thinks community organizers are unimportant don't have a good grip on reality. I can't wait for the debate between her and Biden. As far as I'm concerned if she can throw a punch she should darn well be prepared to receive a punch....... so please America lets stop with the sexism.

Posted by: cbrown | September 11, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

You know there's always one complete idiot on almost any blog and jaxmax gets the prize here! Congratulations jaxmax, you make everyone else seem at least somewhat educated and reasonable! I really hope that you are too lazy to vote!

Posted by: Sparky in Reno | September 11, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

I love these Republicans who call what she has done "extensive executive experience."

My high school was bigger than the town she was mayor of. My county in Virginia is twice the size of the entire state of Alaska. She's got no experience and is a big mouth. If we hate Bush for his "my (wrong) way or the highway" attitude, she makes him look like a diplomat. My cousins in England and Spain have said that "Europe is laughing at us" and it's true. Bush proved that you don't have to be smart to be President. Now she's proving that you don't have to have any experience either.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Wow, alot of talk about the sanctity and accomplishments of "community organizers" but not a word about the accomplishments of Obama. Can you say "Chicago machine politics".

Posted by: Manny Cadima | September 11, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

completely predictable position for a black reporter writing about a black candidate.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

It is so childish to talk about lipstick or community organizer comments. Do you really want to put person incharge on decision making for this great country who don't know anything except alaska. Can you compare Mr. Biden experience & knowledge with her. It is very stupid to compare her with Mr. Obama. She running for V.P Job & she is one heartbeat away from being president. Do you really want to give your future into the hand of person, who nobody knows before she came on scene. btw even experience as mayor of 9000 vs mayor of NY is real contrast. Just open your mind & think. Any presdential election you are making choice for yourself. Not for candidate. Come out of box of either party. Stop biting into media bites. It is their job to create controversy for day.
SS

Posted by: SS Walia | September 11, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

I find it very humorous for people to compare Obama experience with Palin's. Last I checked, it was McCain that is running for President, so if you want to compare, you should compare Obama with McCain on experience. Of course, that wouldn't be much of a comparison, so the Obama strategy is to attack the VP, but even the VP has more decision making experience.

I think Obama and supporters should stick to the "change" platform and forget about experience. Experience is not what voters are going to vote for. It should be Maverick vs. Reformer. Who will win? I don't know, but it will be fun to watch. Also, don't focus too much on some of the words twisted by the media. It is pretty stupid to hear about the "lipstick" issue or how many houses McCain has. I personally don't care, and constantly hearing about it has actually made me more stupid.

Posted by: markly_1999 | September 11, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

bias. You can sure tell who will get your vote. I think it is a shame that journalist can't write a story without bringing race, religion,gender or their own political views into the article. The media can never tell the truth without being bias.

Posted by: larryhyoung@yahoo.com | September 11, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

McCain + Palin = experience + experience + old man's wisdom + youthful energy
Obama + Biden = no experience + no executive responsibilities + boring

Obama is a rhetorical president - no major reform laws and did not have executive responsibilities. Real traditional politician.

McCain and Palin have real accomplishments and experiences. Beat that.

Posted by: Pinoy | September 11, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks she didn't diss community organizers is eating the Republican talking point that is being spoon-fed to them. Richard almost quoted their take on the matter word for word.

If you break down the sentence like any third-grade English teacher would, it is unequivocally putting down community organizers.

Posted by: Roegge | September 11, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Obviously you missed Obama's comment when he heard Palin was picked to run with McCain. He made the comment that her only experience prior to Governor was being a small town mayor but he said it with sarcasim. In the convention, she was reponding to his comment by stating the fact that his only experience was a community organizer before he was elected into office but if you compare the two, as mayor you have more responsibilites. Let's move on and discuss the issues.

Posted by: John | September 11, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

It should really come as no shock that she would say something like that. She is, after all, a Republican. If it doesn't mean more money for the super wealthy, it doesn't interest them. Now comes the inevitable nonsense trying to justify the comments she made. Kind of like when she said she thought we should pray that God has a plan Iraq. ("errr, I think what she wanted to say was....") Pathetic and weak.

Posted by: JACKY | September 11, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

The more I think about her speech (I have to because she says her one-liners OVER and OVER and OVER again) I think the "community organizer is among the dumbest and most out-of-touch comments she could have made.

Someone who actually sacrifices and gives themselves to aid in those are in need??!! Worthless.

Someone who shows themselves to understand America by actually, not just verbally, places himself in their shoes? But it's not "executive."

Someone who stuck around and actually got to know what people are dealing with and what they need, and didn't run off when the cameras or soundbites were no longer needed? Time waster.

Posted by: Gratamama | September 11, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

With your editorial about the good work of Peggy Shepard, don't you think you should have mentioned Obama's work as community organizer. I guess he really didn't do much if you have to use Peggy as an example. So, I guess Palin's argument is valid.

Posted by: Patrick | September 11, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Oh don't be ignorant - Sarah Palin is not insulting anyone. Obama tried to diminish her qualifications as VP saying she's only a Mayor of a "small" town and saying his experience as a Community Organizer is the same. That's all she was saying and if you take it any other way then you don't care about the truth. Nor do I think for one minute that Obama meant anything about Sarah when he made the pig and lipstick comment (and I'm not even an Obama supporter) so see, that's bipartisan. Now get to the real issues.

Posted by: Joann | September 11, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

It was really painful and insulting to me a laughter after underestimating the community organizers duty. I don't blame the Mccain's they are elites therefore they don't know how and what the community is passing through, they due care for the well being of wealthiest guys and protects Saudi's Petrol holders' interest than their own struggling individuals. This is what has been done for the last eight years including Bin ladens group was not touched at all rather more soldiers were taken to protect these guys interest and 4000 brave soldiers lost their lifes plus more a trillion treasure.

Posted by: Getachew | September 11, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Was Sara Palin's reference to "community organizer" blatantly mocking or otherwise disrespectful? Or was it merely somewhat smug, because she realized the term "small town mayor" would resonate much more favorably with a mandate-sized portion of the US electorate than the term "community organizer" would? Of course it could be a proportion of both, but I find precious little basis to conclude that it was the former rather than the latter - and the shrillness of those claiming the former does nothing to undercut that view. Moreover, I find it a very telling comment that many Obama supporters deny that the position of "small-town mayor" is one that usually carries with it a set of responsibilities against one can be objectively benchmarked, while the title "community organizer" demands, at most, only that one be logically consistent in making whatever claims one makes in terms of the self-defined goals one has set out to organize the community in regard to. The definitions I've set out are hardly partisan; your refusal to acknowledge that very much suggests that your comments regarding this contest have departed from the realm of being reasonably objective. Before the numerous anti-Palin posters on this site rise into a state of high dudgeon to smite me back into my golf cart, let me point out to them that there are any number of quite reasonable definitions of "community organizer" under which Al Sharpton would score infinitely higher points as a representative of the genre than would Barak Obama (not that I'm comparing the two - I'm merely pointing out that the piece of Mr. Obama's self written resume that Ms. Palin zeroed in drawing her contrast of resumes was quite cleverly chosen, and her detractors would do well to admit that and move on instead of making a big stink about something to an audience that is 85% composed of people who wouldn't vote for a Republican even if not doing so were to cost them their firstborn child).

Posted by: Dimwitted elitist | September 11, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

You're missing the point, Capehart. Palin isn't dissing community organizers; she's dissing BLACK community organizers. She thinks the white PTA members (of whom she was one) in Wasilla are great -- & they're community organizers. She likes community organizers like the mostly-white Alaskan Independence Party (of whom her husband was one) who are organizing to secede from the union.

All those white Republicans who show up crying "Sarah, Sarah!" know what she's talking about. She doesn't like community organizers who stick up for "those" people. The dedicated individuals you laud in your column are anathema to Sarah Palin & John McCain & a whole slew of their repugnant, repulsive supporters. Sarah Palin's riff on community organizers is a not-so-secret coded racist message, pure and simple.

Posted by: Marie Burns | September 11, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

It was obviously meant as a jab at Obama. If you don't think so you weren't watching her acceptance speech.

She's an arrogant, ignorant, right wing nut. Sorry, just calling it like I see it. I mean she's sorta pretty, but her policies are 18th century garbage.

Obama is the most qualified IMO, simply from his stance and platform- who cares about their resumes? As long as their background doesn't show that they're total liars, then they're all as prepared as anyone to be president. Look up how long Lincoln was a senator before he became president.

Posted by: Sean | September 11, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

You really have to keep the context of her comment in mind. She made it after her time as the mayor of a small town was used to validate the claim that she was not qualified. Her point being that service as mayor, regardless of the size of the town, is at least as much executive experience as being a community organizer. People who want to make a big deal about the comment are mostly partisans looking for something to use against her. I am sure there is plenty of material out there, so why waste your time harping on about one innocent comment?

Posted by: You can do better than that, can't you? | September 11, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Republicians for Democrats

OBAMA 2008

Sarah Palin sit your trailer trash ass down. She looks like a "Bridge to Nowhere" and for Granddaddy McCain-KICK ROCKS!

Posted by: Ms. America in the House | September 11, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

hahahaha JAXMAX is laughable that the kind of rumour mongering we dont need please say something intelligent .did you forget to mention that John Mccain used the same lipstick remark on senator Clinton. and twice before oh i forgot Mccains a muslim as well and on the gender bias issue as well how come no accused McCain of the same thing when he used it on Clinton come on now come better than that and this time with actual facts

Posted by: concerned 2008 | September 11, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

To help Sean out a little bit here: platforms are determined by the party. Sure, there is significant input from the candidate, but ultimately it is the party that puts it forward. To say that one's platform determines their qualifications independent of their resumes means that all democrats (including yourself perhaps) are more qualified than all republicans or independents. Seems a bit silly, doesn't it? Would you hire a mechanic that tells you it is important that your car run well, but has never fixed one? The question is do we want someone with big ideas who may or may not be able to execute on them, or do we want someone with a few good changes in mind that will most likely be able to follow up on them.

Posted by: Seriously, Sean? | September 11, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Palin is the same old divisive politician that the republicans put forward every election. Fast with her mouth, short on understanding or competence. America doesn't need or want this type of politics. We want politicians and leaders who will deal with our real issues and serve all of the American people, not just the right wingers.

Posted by: Jim | September 11, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone buy one of those Sarah Palin school girl action figures? Now that is hot!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I haven't read in anyone's response the important fact that the town of Wasilla had a town manager during Palin's term as mayor. This was recommended and carried out by Palin's own party. I can't imagine that a town that small needs two town executives and then department heads also carrying the majority of the load. What was she doing to run Wasilla, can we have a discussion about her personal roles and responsibilities vs. the town manager's?

And then the town hired consultants to lobby on the town's behalf with Stevens and the other guy in the Senate. So she spent town funds on lobbyists that were successful in bringing home the pork to her small town. And I can't fault her, because the mayor is supposed to get outside funding (not just local tax revenue) to improve the community that she/he governs. Every individual has benefited from pork. Having been born/raised in Philly, and now living in a small town in CT, I'm glad when my senators & representatives bring home the bacon that allows improvements to be made in my community. This whole reformer of earmarks issue is so overblown its ludicrous. Just think about the good changes in your own communities that were paid for with pork earmarks.

I'm very disappointed that this woman is everywhere being touted as super mom. I could be super mom too if my employer allowed me to bring my newborn and other children into work. I would not have minded coming back to work only days after giving birth if I could only be a few feet away at work or at home. If I was allowed to say hold on while I tend to whatever is needed at that moment. Flying eight hours from Texas to Alaska to give birth was touted at the convention as being courageous and strong. I find that incredibly foolish and selfish. Oh and lets not forget the dedicated mother image she is portraying of bringing her infant with her on the campaign trail. When I fly for business I'm forced to leave my children at home, the company doesn't pay for family's airfare. If the media and the Republican party want to compare Palin to an average mom, let her work environment be that of an average mom. I wasn't impressed with Clinton for being a mom, I'm not going to give Palin a free pass because she pushed out five instead of one. She plays up never having a nanny, but she does have family she can count on to help out. Do most mom's have that luxury, or are we paying daycare workers (notice I didn't say "nanny", that is for above middle class folks) to help us raise our children.

Posted by: Melissa | September 11, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Be real people! Look at the polls from last week to this week. A 10 point shift. Obama up by 5 one week the next week McCain up by 5 points.

Lets face it. Obama is scared of Palin. McCain he can deal with Palin? She represents real change. Most of your black journalist are doing everything they can to make her look bad because they see their "big" chance slipping away. Their whole self-esteem is caught up in Obama winning the Presidency. It's like they think they can't feel good about themselves unless Obama win the White House. They still have a deep-seated "slave" mentality.

Sorry I had to say that...but I'm afraid it's true.

Anyway, here's an explanation as to way Obama and company are running scared.

http://www.tenientemikeopinions.org/2008/09/reason-why-left-is-scared-of-palin.html

mike t.

Posted by: Michael C. Teniente | September 11, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Can you really have faith in a candidate who finds his VP nominee on AdultFriendFinder.com ?

Posted by: Big Red | September 11, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

How silly can you dems be? Don't you understand that the remarks are a defense to what the democratic people have said about her experience. She is saying,(now listen close...don't want this to go over your head), is that being a Mayor and a Govenor gives her more 'qualified' experience than he has. Not sure, but I would think she had community organizers in her city and still has them in her state, and she appreciates all the work they do. Once again, in case you missed it the first time, she is saying those remarks only to compare actual experience. If that job qualifies Obama, then I would assume that being a Mayor or Govenor would qualify her. Don't you think?

Posted by: mark | September 11, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Republicans for Obama 2008!

Posted by: john | September 11, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Without noting the context, that Sarah Palin was fighting back against urban elitists who "dissed" her executive experience, this complaint is disingenuous.

Posted by: Mike S | September 11, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Then, perhaps, Shepard and Torres-Fleming should run for president.

Posted by: Doesitmatter | September 11, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

agreed

Posted by: go get 'em, mark! | September 11, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I am saddened by the loss of integrity of republicans. I don't care about Palin's family. I care whether or not she can do the job and the fact is, we don't know. Why? Because she's being pranced around like a toy doll (how sexist is McCain?) and not being allowed to talk. I think that if the republicans can accuse the dems of attacks, then the dems can accuse the republicans. She did mean to demean community organizers. She did that to make herself look more important. Let's face it, she's got too much baggage. If we don't hold our government up to higher standards then we deserve the crap that we get with the economy, foreign policy and the wars. It's not a beauty contest. It's picking the right people for the job. And frankly, it's not Obama against Palin and everyone needs to quit doing that. It's Obama against whats-his-name and Biden is much more suited to the vp than she is. And Obama's campaign must have been working much considering the McCain sure is trying to steal his thunder by claiming "change" in the GOP. Which, by the way, he's had years, twenty something in fact, to show his idea of change and look where we are now. Who wants 4 more years of this? I want a better future for my family and that's something we won't get with McCain and Palin.

Posted by: Republican For Obama | September 11, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

legitimate community organizing is nothing to denigrate. Obama worked for/with a group called ACORN which has been found guilty for massive voter fraud, to include registering deceased persons, illegal aliens, felons, drug addicts who they provide crack to in exchange for their votes, underage voters, fictitious persons etc. They embark on intimidation campaigns to coerce the communities they are trying to "organize" this is not commendable this is crime, and obama should be called on this every single time he utters the "community organizer" he can argue that when he worked for ACORN this wasnt going on and distance himself like he did from Wright, Ayers, Kilpatrick, etc..but he trained their leadership, what exactly had he taught them? and he has given $800,000 of campaign money to ACORN in his presidential run. Someone please explain how he has the audacity to claim this as a credential for president.

Posted by: steve | September 11, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

If community organizers are so great, why is Southside Chicago still a cesspool of violence and corruption?

If ACORN, Obama's favorite community organizing group, is so great, why have they been indicted and fined more than 3 dozen times for breaking the law?

Most of these groups are just like Jessie Jackson's PUSH and Rainbow Coalition. They talk a good game, but in the end they are just cheap shakedown artists who do nothing to help their purported constituents.

The country would be much better off if all these community organizing pukes choked to death on their own phoniness.

Posted by: BJ | September 11, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

It is quite interesting that people find it offensive that Sarah Palin made a comment that seems to denegrate the great work that community organizers do for our communities. Yet, I have not heard a single thing from these people for the great work that small town mayors do to help our country. It seems like it is OK for the Obama-Biden ticket to say small town mayors don't matter or have much responsibility or have much experience; but it is not OK to give it back to them where it hurts. Both comments could be taken as offensive by those not running for office and doing their work, great work for our country. So let us stop being being partisan and only focusing the McCain-Palin comments and ask both tickets to be respectful!

Posted by: Allie | September 11, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Of COURSE Palin (and Rudy too) were taking a giant cheap-shot at people who work in grassroots community groups. All that's missing are the words "bleeding heart LIBERAL" in their comments. Ms. Palin herself was active in the PTA! I guess community service and activism only "counts" if you are from the "right kind of family" eh Gov. Palin?

Btw, the cheap shot I was most offended by has gone unmentioned. Conservatives love to pontificate on the importance of stable homes and both parents being involved in children's upbringing. They are even correct about the negative impact broken homes have on children. Of course, in the real world many tens of millions of single parents (mostly moms) worry about the impact of a broken home and/or absent parent on their kids. Even more children struggle with conflicting emotions growing up without a parent. Many an accomplished person has written about sorting through such emotions, including a certain presidential candidate. How nice for Gov. Palin, safe and secure in her Normal Rockwell upbringing to take cheap shots at those who weren't blessed with a traditional home like hers.

Think back to your own high school days. You knew people like this - the popular or cool kids who took great pleasure in subtle and not so subtle put downs kids from "lower" social status. Maybe you did it too. Hey, people often grow out of their smug & snarky attitudes and are genuinely sorry about having been that way. Clearly, Gov. Palin hasn't outgrown taking cheap shots at single moms and their kids to score a laugh at their expense in front of her "values voters" in the convention hall and thirty million tv viewers! She's displayed her small minded pettiness for the whole world to see, and the GOP just LOVES her. Talk about people who "don't get it"......

Posted by: Denis | September 11, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

The whole republican party should be ashamed of themselves. A community organizer is the best thing that happened to this country. The pig thing was blown out of context and John mcCain himself has used the metaphor. so get over the bullsh11 and stick to the issues.

Posted by: Barack supporter | September 11, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Was MLK not a Community Organizer? Hummm....i wonder if he was still alive and running for the presidency if it would come to this. The thing that we need is Change. And Gov Palin can't bring that. She is just as corrupt as the rest of republican Washington. And the sad thing is that all of the republicans are so happy to have her on the ticket.. But what is she going to do to help you. She would be VP!!! Doesn't that say something for the person that you are actually voting for to be president. If she is the only reason why you would vote for Mcain then you are a complete waste of a vote. Since when did the Vice President actually make an executive decision that affected you? Mcain was nothing until he brought her along. And i hate to burst all of your happy little bubbles that you are living in but HE STILL IS NOTHING!!! THE SAME OLD POLITICS 4 MORE YEARS OF BUSH. But i forgot that you don't care because your family isn't being affected by the world today. You have money and you son, daughter, sister and brother aren't at war. I would like to see Mcain walk into Palins house when her son dies and tell her to get over it and "stop complaining" Come on people OPEN YOUR EYES!! Palin hasn't ever even been in Washington. They want to complain about inexperience??? What makes a Hockey mom qualify to be VP??

Posted by: Ann | September 11, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

The fact that so many people are excited and delighted about Palin, without checking her record goes to show me just how SHALLOW people are. I am a 37 yr old mom and she doesnt inspire me one bit. A quick review would reveal that she lies everytime she speaks.

Personally, I think she is happy just to be infront of a camera...Any camera..as a beautyqueen, sportscaster...you get the point!

Posted by: raecine | September 11, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a proud very proud guy who feels he is the anointed not only for america but the world. he has never accepted making a mistake and all He shows to cover inexperience and incompetence are great speeches which any good college student can equally recite. When I see pride its obvious.

Posted by: dr me | September 11, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Rather than letting Palin and co. get away with playing the victim, claiming that liberals are out to get small town America, why isn't more made of the distaste that these overwhelmingly white, overwhelmingly ultra-religious conservatives show for those of us that live in cities? Her disdain for community organizers shows a lack of understanding and possibly even a hatred of the urban poor. If she doesn't approve of them, what solutions does she have to offer us? Wasilla may be a wonderful little town with fine Christian values, but the millions of Americans that don't live in such places, especially those of us in the inner cities, require more in a leader than Rotary Club platitudes and cheerleading from hockey moms. If she is such a great leader, she can stay in Alaska- you know, that big, underpopulated place full of white people on the other side of the Canadian border. Because it's obvious she doesn't have any solutions for America's cities.

Posted by: Mike in NYC | September 11, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

..the only SEXIST thing i see is PALIN on the ticket...as a TOKEN woman. She is obviously not the best pick with all of the controversy, investigation and lies surrounding her..

I wonder, how does it feel to have a 72 year old PIMP?

Posted by: WHAT ABOUT THAT?! | September 11, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Obama was a community organiser in south side Chicago two decades ago, he had served in the state senate for 8 years and also in the federal senate since 2005. What else? he is more qualified than Palin who has been a mayor for 8 years in a town of 500 residents and less than two years as a governor. That's the main reason she cannot answer questions from Jounalist. She currently working on the answers to the questions Charlie Gibson gave her, You know she will be with Charlie Gibson interview tomorrow, i heard Charlie gave her the questions already, so she is preparing for it.

Posted by: Mike | September 11, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Everyone has an opinion and that is the greatness of this country. It will be great if there is some effort put into trying to make a difference in each other's lives through encouraging each other to be the best we can be. We do not have to throw knives and shoot at each other for it to qualify as a war. We are surely fighting viciously from within, clouding our judgment. We have a greater enemy in our failing economy and what that means to our children. A borrower is slave to the lender the good book said. Just take a look at Africa and the rest of the third world and see what the future of your children will be when the lenders come calling. It won't matter whether you like Obama. It will affect all Americans the same, except those who have money to go somewhere else more secure. Stop the negative characterizations and focus on the real issues. Keep religion and politics separate. Keep your biases out, you have more to loose than whether you feel you are better than the other person. Focus on cleaning out the mess that has been instigated for the sake of yourselves and your children. I don't need anyone to tell me they will fight for me. I have heard that too often. I need someone that acknowledges that I have the power to stand up and be counted. All I need is a representative. Obama might not have all the qualifications you claim he needs, the efficiency in which he has run his campaign and his stance in most issues and the respect and grace he has offered to his opponents reflect his christian maturity than many of those that claim their faith loudly. The Christian conservatives sent Bush to office and were made the laughing stock for eight years. If they want to repeat the same mistake, it is their perogative. No matter what anyone says, history will show that Obama has been more honorable than most. Those of you who hate him because of his color, don't forget that no one chose what color, sex, or nationality they were born into, so if you are not black and think you are better than others, you did not earn the color of your skin. You have no claim to any arrogance. What legacy will you leave behind, that is what you should work on and be proud of. He has a legacy that goes beyond American politics. The fact of the matter is that we are in a place in the world where we must come together and work together to help each other. Unless you plan to move to Mars soon, what affects your neighbor will affect you too. If you feel that your neighbor's pain is not yours, look at the third world that we are quickly degenerating into and you will think about all the time wasted bashing someone, just because he is not like you. The fact is that America is in very poor standing in the the world right now. Does anyone take time to really research why? Get off yourselves and stop wasting time putting things on the web that doesn't do anything to solve the problem. If you have no solution, please do everyone a favor and do not become part of the problem. I love this country and hate to see what short thinking is doing to it. Someone said doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome is insanity. Use your mind to think through and do not let your emotions lead your into a place that you will be unable to extricate yourself when you come to your senses.

Posted by: Americamycountry | September 11, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

What on Palin's resume makes her qualified to be VP or exceeds the experience and qualifications of Obama? It was a putdown on community organizers. It was an elitist statement from an elitist party. She jumped right in and started slinging mud and verbal attacks against the person and NOT his politics or plans for America. Sure she fits in, but she is NOT about change, except changing job titles.

Posted by: Avalon Blues | September 11, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

DR me, if u think it's easy, try it. I would ask u to try and recite a peom in front of ya church, let me if u will have the courage. Obama did it in front of 200,000 Europeans. I mean it was one hour speech.
Think about Palin, who might be the next President if McSane eventually wins. She has neverr been out of America before except once. Is she ready to lead? Does she knows the name of Canadian Prime Minister.
Well she is same as Bush. If you put a lipstick on a Pig, it's still a pig.

Posted by: Mike | September 11, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Hey steve jacobson,
Your assertion that Republicans don't need community organizers because they're rich flys in the face reality. My brothers and I grew up in proverty and four of them are Republican. The community organizers I've known have mostly been corrupt POS's who used the community for their own ends. Get a clue will you.

Straight out of Brooklyn

Posted by: Nuyorican | September 11, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Jesus was a community organizer.
Pontius Pilate was a governor.

Posted by: MDZ | September 11, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Someone ask McPalin...If unemployment in America is highest in 5 years, and probably double digits among urban poor, what is YOUR solution to help these people? Lower their taxes? Bomb Iran? The Republicans have no other answers, so they have to make the election about their 'compelling personal stories' and belittle the people who are trying to envision a different direction for America than the dead end the Bush people are leading us towards. If people are stupid enough to elect a guy who is living in the last century and tv sportscaster who can't speak without a script, then America deserves another 8 years of war and job losses.

Posted by: Scott | September 11, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Its amazing how McCain-Palin supporters think.

Lets face it... Republicans and all those scared of change, are scared to have a black man in power. So you demean him and his accomplishments and put Bush wanna be on a pedastool. McCain used the same "Lipstick on a Pig" phrase when talking about Sen. Clinton's heath care issues. No one called him sexist. And she never asked for an appology.
Obama and Palin both are great leaders in their own right. But why are we having a debate about a Presedential nominee vs a VP nominee?
Obama is a Christian! He said it over and over and over. Again, because his name may suggest muslim, does not make him. A person's name does not dictate their beliefs. You all just need to get a grip on the issues and stop trying to run people through the mud over some BS.
My kids need health care.. I have family fighting a meaningless war... Housing economy sucks...What are the issues you are willing to fight for? Or are you that finacially well off, that these issues dont apply to you!
I need a leader to help me live my life without being afraid of gettig sick or losing my house! I want to be able to afford food and gas!! I want to afford healthcare and own my home!
Its evident that having the same policies as the ones we have had the last 8 years is not going to work! CHANGE is coming! I mean REAL CHANGE needs to happen.

Posted by: Obama Supporter | September 11, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Real community-organizers organize communities to address issues faced by community residents. A good organizer, if he's organizing the community to enhance his or her chances of defeating an incumbent conngressman, should not go down in defeat. residents would know that he's sincerely interested in their need and not his own personal ambition or greed. A put down of particular community-organizer isn't the same as putting down all community-organizer. Gov. Palin was/is a community-organizer herself. To attempt to potray her as a person who disses c-o is so juvenile on the part of some people within the Obama camp.

On another issue: news organization and supporters favorable to Obama should be careful challenging Gov. Palin to appear before the media and they definitely need to stop combing her state seeking folks to interview to find "dirt" on her to chaleenge her credibility.

The race isn't over yet and there are some who would love to hear what Rev. Wright has to say, now that Obama is the nominee.
In fact, some people are beginning to wonder if something might have happened to Rev. Wright. I, personally know of persons being threaten for simply expressing themselves in blogs, like everyone else.

I bet an interview with rev. Wright now would garner a lot of viewers.

Be careful trying to find people to speak ill of Gov. Palin. It cuts both ways.

Posted by: real clear | September 11, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Real community-organizers organize communities to address issues faced by community residents. A good organizer, if he's organizing the community to enhance his or her chances of defeating an incumbent conngressman, should not go down in defeat. residents would know that he's sincerely interested in their need and not his own personal ambition or greed. A put down of particular community-organizer isn't the same as putting down all community-organizer. Gov. Palin was/is a community-organizer herself. To attempt to potray her as a person who disses c-o is so juvenile on the part of some people within the Obama camp.

On another issue: news organization and supporters favorable to Obama should be careful challenging Gov. Palin to appear before the media and they definitely need to stop combing her state seeking folks to interview to find "dirt" on her to chaleenge her credibility.

The race isn't over yet and there are some who would love to hear what Rev. Wright has to say, now that Obama is the nominee.
In fact, some people are beginning to wonder if something might have happened to Rev. Wright. I, personally know of persons being threaten for simply expressing themselves in blogs, like everyone else.

I bet an interview with rev. Wright now would garner a lot of viewers.

Be careful trying to find people to speak ill of Gov. Palin. It cuts both ways.

Posted by: real clear | September 11, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Newsflash to Republicans who think you're better on the economy. Unemployment is soaring. The stock market is down over the course of the Bush administration. The issue is not taxes or big government, it's that globalization means the US is not cost competitive, largely due to lack of a healthcare program, and technology means we don't need as many workers as we used to. I'm not hearing anything from Maverick and Goose on how they are going to address any of that.

Posted by: Whipple | September 11, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I am not at all impressed with Sarah Palin.

To imply that community organizing has no responsibility is dumb very dumb. However, I guess that is all you can expect from someone who went to five (5) different schools in six (6) years. Just to graduate with what a BA degree in journalism, dah...

I guess she thought that changing schools would make the studies easier. In addition, of course we know where John McCain measured in his class… fifth from the bottom--just as bad. These two (2) people are who you want running this country. Not me, and they will not.

Barack/Biden all the way. 2008

Posted by: dee67 | September 11, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

As I read all these comments, I am deeply sadden by the way our country has made a mockery of our election process.

Firstly, I don't think that any of the canidates should be dissing one another personally. Palins remarks were ALL personal attacks on Obama. I did not see one statement she made the defined the Republican Party's stand on the issues.

I want to know what each party is going to do for me. I want to make an INFORMED descision.

Obama doesn't tell everything about his stance on the issues and McCain tells even less. Honestly!!!!

Secondly, Palin's refusal to do interviews, frankly scares the hell out of me. Let's face it, when someone who is running for PUBLIC OFFICE, refuses to field and answer questions from the media and the PUBLIC, they have something to hide. And I don't know about you but, I dont want anyone in the White House like that. There are many, many questions about Palin.

Finally, I think that we really need to get back to the issues. I dont care if Palin disses Obama, Obama disses Palin, McCain disses Biden, Biden disses Palin... ect..ect. My question is what are THEY going to do for ME!

How are they going to bring down gas prices? How are they going to make the economy better? How are they going to end this horrible war? When are all of our troups coming home? How can we make college more affordable? ect.. ect... ect.

CAN WE PLEASE ADDRESS THE ISSUES!!!
LETS STOP LETTING THE MEDIA TAKE US AWAY FROM THE ISSUES. THEY SHOULD ONLY BE REPORTING THE ISSUES.. THIS IS WHAT AFFECTS US AS AMERICANS.. NOT WHO OR WHAT WEARS LIPSTICK.. NOT WHO DISSES WHO... NOT WHO IS LEADING IN THE POLLS..

Posted by: TT/ the independent | September 11, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

The old double standard for Republicans continues to bewilder me. Obama is a sexist if he has legitimate questions about the qualifications of Palin, yet he and his wife spent the entire first day of their convention "explaining" to the nation and to the world their qualifications and that's okay....to Republicans. Obama is a sexist for making a "pig with lipstick" remark that was clearly not directed at Palin, yet members of the Republican party can wear sexist buttons at their own convention about Palin and that's okay.....to Republicans. Obama is accused of making light of Palin being the mayor of a small town, yet it's okay for Palin to ridicule his role as a community organizer that helps the very people that are consistently ignored and forgotten by the people who have been in office for the past 8 years and that's okay.....to Republicans. Now it's okay for the McCain/Palin ticket to outright steal Obama's message of change and not explain how they will bring about this so-called changed when they won't even acknowledge the last 8 years.

People we are tired of the double standards and the double talk. All the slight of hand and pulling rabbits out of hats won't change the fact that McCain doesn't have any intentions of changing anything in our country. That's why the smokescreen called Sarah Palin has been thrown up and why the media has yet to interview her. Like Obama said, the voters aren't stupid. Even if you put lipstick on it, it's still a pig!

Posted by: Linda | September 11, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

It's pure genius on the part of McCain to keep this Obama v. Palin experience argument going. The ultimate rope-a-dope tactic. Just look at an Obama supporter's comments:

Palin - Sports journalist, Mother, City Council
Obama - Civil rights Lawyer, Community Organizer, Consitutional Law Professer[sic]

Well some of us think mother is the most important item up there. And Obama's resume inflation is obvious. Notice how he has no accomplishments as a "community organizer". Zero. And the "professor" was an adjunct teaching one course who never wrote a scholarly article. Zero.

Post 1996:
Palin - Mayor of a 6000 person town
Obama - Representative of a 700,000 person district.

Anybody knows that a mayor is where the buck stops in a town. She makes the decisions. In contrast, many people don't even know the name of their state representative...and it's harder when he avoids decisions by voting "present" hundreds of times.

Palin - Governor of 800,000 person state
Obama - Senator of a 12 Million person state

Governor - has to run a government and BALANCE A BUDGET every year.
Senator - Same one of 100 senators job when you come from a large state or a piddling state like Delaware [Biden]. Senators are supposed to legislate, yet B.O. has no significant legislative accomplishments. Not surprising since he has been running for President the whole time.

And of course, the real point is B.O. can't compare in the least to the real experience that McCain has in spades. If experience is important, McCain is the ONLY Choice.

Yes the Palin pick is perfect. Someone who DOES reform instead of just giving speeches about it. It fired up the GOP base, while throwing the Dems off their game. And it had me laughing out loud to see the Dems having their own tactics of ethnic and gender tribalism used against them. Genius.

Posted by: RJ | September 11, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Real Clear, i can see u don't even know what you are talking about. Rev Wright is Rev Wright, Barack Obama is Barack Obama. You cannot Judge anyone from what his Pastor says. Palin's Pastor said 9/11 is God's Punishment on America, does that mean she said it. Please do some readings. I know you are racist, but the world and America are tired of Republicans who always care about their pockets and they will do anything to get elected, even lie. Palin's would not be celebrated if she was was Black. I know is scary for black man to get into white house, but suck it, lets give peace a chance, afterall ya dad is not going there.

Posted by: Mike | September 11, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Everyone know Palin was saying Obama being a community organizer is nothing...The problem I am having with this whole election is, how can anyone in the right mind vote to put another republican in the whitehouse as screwed up as everything is today. Unless they are rich or prejudice. The sadness about this campaigne is, if Obama was a white man he will have this election sold up no doubt. But, because he is black noone wants to vote for him. Come on people lets put it out there. Its not about who is the most qualified because we know Obama is the most qualified and we know he will do everything to help the middle class and the poor. So why are we not voting for him. We are not voting for him because America is still prejudice and will be prejudice until the end of time. You cannot tell me some of the same people who were supporting Hilary are going to vote for McCain. The only reason they are is because America is not ready to see a African American in the white house. That is the bottome line and that is sad, and the whole lipstick on a pig thing, McCain has said it and other presidential candidates has said it. But, as soon as Obama say it, the republicans take it out of context. This is some B.S. and everyone know it is. This is ridiculous and I will be glad when it is over because Barack will be the next president of the United States of America as soon as people start looking at him for what he can do and not for the color of his skin.

Posted by: Cynthia | September 11, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Palin meant that only persons who earn money for work, rather than community organizers who typically serve as volunteers, have responsibilty. I believe Martin Luther King organized the community, indeed the nation, at the cost of his life. America has a history of change at the hands of community organizers who had to buck the American system/government to make progress. Today we celebrate those "community organizers" as our American heroes who've helped define the character of our nation. Wasilla is no Chicago. 18 million democrats voted for Barack and 18 million for Hillary, 616 voted Palin into the office of manager/mayor of a town of 6,000 people; 114,000 people elected her as governor of a state of nearly 700,000. She recently got a passport for the first time in her life and has absolutely no foreign experience. I'm blown away by the fact that McCain/Bush folks have to make her a "quick-study" in domestic and foreign affairs.

Come on folks...stick with the issues that matter most. Today is September 11th, Bush has done little damage to Al Quaida and Bin Laden is celebrating today with his homies as we celebrate the 7th anniversary of one of the worst American tragedies. Bin Laden won...the American economy is shot as planned; even Wendy's $99 cent menu prices have risen.

America's new celebrity, Mrs. Palin, simply is not qualified to lead this country with a candidate, John McCain, who is willing to focus on pigs wearing lipstick to cover up his own lack of ingenuity rather than face the issues of economy, two wars, collapsing infrastructures, hatred abroad,American education ranking nearly 30th of all industrialized nations, and more. I don't want a bull dog or his master running my country...look where the like minded got us.

Posted by: Loraine | September 11, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

If Gov. Palin wasn't dissing community organizers, what were Rudy Guilani's remarks about community organizers supposed to be?

Posted by: Len | September 11, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Just to get my biases down on the table first: I am a 50 year old, white woman, director of governmental affairs for a multi-national corporation who has always voted Republican.

If I were hiring a person to be the Vice President of Governmental Affairs for my corporation and Sarah Palin's resume landed on my desk, I wouldn't give it serious consideration.

She doesn't have the experience to lead a governmental affairs department of a major corporation. In fact, we get resumes of small town mayors all the time - since there are thousands of small towns in the US, there are thousands of ex-mayors of small towns. They are "a dime a dozen". Yes, she's been Governor but for too short of a time to make much difference or have any real policy experience and way too short of a time to see if her policies lead to any results. She has no foreign experience, no Washington experience and no evidence of successful policies.

If the Republicans believed she was able to discuss issues, they would have made her available to the media by now. I would want someone who knows enough to do such interviews within 48 hours of being selected. The fact she needs more time suggests she is way over her head.

In short, there is nothing in her resume that would even make me read it twice.

If Obama or Biden or McCain's resumes crossed my desk, I would immediately give them a call. All three have experience playing in the big league. Palin is simply not in the same league with them.

The speech Palin read at the convention (she had NO hand in writing it) was nasty. They knew her lack of experience would be a big issue in the campaign, so they took the position that the best defense is a strong offense - that is the reason for the community organizer snide remark. But, as someone else pointed out, it isn't honest to compare a job he held 20 years ago with one she held 20 months ago.

What has Palin done? She less than truthfully claimed to have turned down federal money, sold a plane and facilitated building a pipe line. None of those are a big deal. Anyone reading this could have done those things. The fact that the campaign talks about these things over and over despite the fact they are trivial and tinged with untruths scares me. I don't think they have much else to say about her.

The suggestion that somehow her experience is better than Obamas is so ridiculous that several of my (Republican leaning) friends called me during the convention just to laugh. I know some of the speakers who said this at the convention. I know from conversations with them that they don't believe it.

The irresponsible choice of Palin, the shameless puffing of her qualifications (she even pretends to be an energy expert!) and the campaign's other misstatements such as Palin's lies about the Bridge to Nowhere have made me embarrassed to be Republican.

I used to support McCain, I can no longer do so.


Posted by: Kay | September 11, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Having been the mayor of a town of 9,000 for 4 years, I can tell you it was not the executive experience I would expect from anyone wanting to be president of the US. It was a 2 day a week job plus one night a week and then one city council meeting per month. I kept my day job too. On the other hand coaching Little League Baseball was much harder and meant dealing with many more responsibilities, and difficult people. Therefore I believe McCain would have better advised to pick a seasoned Little League coach rather than a mayor of a podunk town......in Alaska no less.

Posted by: Tommy | September 11, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

In responses to the comment Posted by: JaxMax | September 10, 2008 2:05 PM…Obviously this person represents blatant ignorance’s. That term or phase “Lipstick on a pig” was uttered by John McCain as well in a previous public speech. It’s a reference to Washington and how you can’t dress up Washington to make it pretty; the people running Washington are still pig's at the end of the day. I wish America would quit pretending. Obama’s experience is not why you don’t want him as President, for if that were this reason; Republicans wouldn’t have choosing Governor Palin, because she is quite inexperienced herself. Obama’s gender isn’t the reason you don’t want him to be President, for if it were again Palin would not be a candidate for VP, because we all know this is a white male dominant society. I can’t say that Obama’s intelligence is an issue, because he graduated top of his class at Harvard University. It’s his family…well that’s not a problem either; he only has one wife, who is highly educated herself, and two girls. Maybe it’s his past, well then again investigators haven’t been able to find enough dirt to slander Obama’s name. Well what makes people not want to vote for Obama if it’s not his experience, his gender, his education, his family, or his past? The irony in this reason I am about to give is hilarious. Technical Obama shouldn’t even be considered black. For he is more white American that he is black American. But the truth of the matter is because America considers Obama to be black this is the reason we don’t want him in office, PERIOD. People can’t wrap there brain around having a black President, because how can a black man or what we consider a black man rule this country, THIS IS OUR COUNTRY! As republicans say COUNTRY FIRST!

Posted by: Jaz | September 11, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I have to agree with Tommy on this one. Being a coach had lots of responsibilities that would be useful as President of the US.
One day a week I was required to maintain the fields making me an expert in agriculture, water, machines, chalk, construction, foreign oil (we used it in the lawnmower), animal control, energy (boy was I tired), soil erosion, the environment, and of course weather and climate. Being coach meant dealing with diverse people, alcoholics, lunatics, parents, step parents, divorced parents, transportation issues, clothing issues, race relations, cheating, scandal, rumors,
and lets not forget all the crying, bathroom breaks, working with the blind (umpires), etc.
And because we had a Russian, a Hispanic,
an Asian, Blacks, Whites and some people of Polish decent on our team that would make me experienced in foreign policy right?
Just think what the GOP spin would be on this resume.
BTW I'm trying to get a job at Walmart and they say I don't have enough experience.

Posted by: ex-coach | September 11, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Palin/Rove Big Lie Number 1

Palin didn't say she was the mayor of a "small town". She said she was the mayor of a "city". Wasila, with under 6,000 people and 45 employees is not a "city" by any definition.

Here is Merriam Websters Definition

1 a: an inhabited place of greater size, population, or importance than a town or village b: an incorporated British town usually of major size or importance having the status of an episcopal see ccapitalized (1): the financial district of London (2): the influential financial interests of the British economy d: a usually large or important municipality in the United States governed under a charter granted by the state e: an incorporated municipal unit of the highest class in Canada.

But you see, "city" sounds more important than "small town" so they will use the word "city". The fact is there are more people working at some McDonald's stores than were employed at Wasila. Her experience there is worthless when it comes to the running of the Federal Government. And don't come back here with "well, Obama has less experience". He had more people vote for him in one election as a state legislator in Illinois than Palin in all the elections she ever ran for. Millions voted for Obama in Illinois for Senator. Palin got 150,000 votes to become Governor of one of the smallest populated states in the country (600,000). Obama was a state legislator for years and a US Senator. Moreover he is one of the brightest attorneys of his generation (President of Harvard Law Review). He has written two best selling books. Palin can't even write her own speeches! Say whatever you want about her, but saying any of her experience qualifies her to be President is Big Lie No. 2.

A short test for Palin

Does she know the difference between GDP and GNP.

Does she know the names of the major political parties in Israel?

Has she ever been to Europe, Mexico, Asia, Africa?

Does she know who the President of Checzoslovakia is? (this one is a trick question that John McCain got wrong)

Is the Treasurer of the United States the head of the Department of the Treasury?

Does she know that she asked for more government earmarks as mayor and governor of Alaska on a per person basis than any other state in the Union?

Is it true that the reason you have not answered a single question from a reporter in two weeks is because your staff do not believe you are smart or tough enough to do it until you are "trained" and "programmed"?

Do you think someone like you who has proven her fear of answering a single question about anything should be a John McCain heartbeat away from the Presidency?

Well, she will have her 15 minutes and be done.

Posted by: MarvAlan | September 11, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse


It’s clear that Palin's comment was not directed towards community organizers but "Obama the community organizer". But I agree that it does (unintentionally) degrade the work of community organizers. To some, community organizers are more help to them and their neighborhood than actual politicians. And I think it’s wrong to say that performing a duty for a community without the aid or title of an elected official is anything but responsible. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a community organizer.

Side note: Opinion ≠ Bias people. And no matter who wins Palin will not be elected President of the U.S.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Mike, I'm no surrogate for either candidate for national office. What I posted earlier is merely my perspective about where we are as a nation. State yours. You have every right to do. But, a word of advise (since you invited it): I don't think you're qualified experentially or intellectually to critique anything I have written or ever will write, until you do a helluva lot more studying than you have, thus far.

I will stand on what I said: Obama and his surrogates need to be careful. The pendulum swings both ways. I've been threaten once for voicing my opinion. So, please, regardless of your position or candidate, no more threats to isolate, ostracize or (W)blackball me for jobs, positions. Okay?

Posted by: Real,real clear | September 11, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter what you say about Palin she is ready to be president not vice president according to the Republicans. First lets take Obama's vs McCain's political experiences as to the only thing seperating them is lenght of time. Now if we start the clock 10 years ago(where most resumes start)you'll find very little difference. On the other hand Palin has them beat with executve decision experience. Now all that matters is for someone to convince her to change to an Independent party and run solo.

I'm looking forward to her moving into her office relocated to Alaska inviting foreign officials for nice of polar bear and wolf hunt. Next few years of banned books, sex ed., and fight for abortions right. Please televise her daughters wedding which is not unusual even Bush's was seen at least. I'm sure this maybe only a dream for now but can't wait for her running mate Swift either.

Posted by: watchman | September 11, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Degrees from prestigious universities are great to have. However, possession of such as litmus test for the highest offices stands as a stark contrast for all that this country and democracy is suppose to represent.

Ironically, folks with degrees got us in the mess we're in now: those in the white house and those in the other two houses, as well.

Posted by: Real clear | September 11, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Jaz 100%. I would be thrilled if the country was run by a Black man with integrity ratter than 2 disgraceful stupid liars running for Bush agendas and lies. In august Palin had no idea what a VP does. Since she is not smart she is extremely sarcastic, nasty and very demmining. Tax payers in Alaska pays Palin to live in her own house, she belongs in Washington. she is a liar and a thief like most politicians.

Posted by: Maria | September 11, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

THE WORLD WHO WILL RESPECT,HONOR AMERICA CALL TO HELP DEFEAT TERRORIST IN THE WHOLE WORLD AND IN AMERICA ARE WATCHING, WHEN YOU ELECT McCAIN AND PALIN JUST LIKE YOU BLINDLY DID 8YRS AGO YOU WILL NOT ONLY BLAME YOURSELVES BUT ALSO LOST YOUR WORLD RESPECT. AMERICA NEVER BEEN CHALLENGED BY IRANIANS YET YOU WILL SEE MORE CHALLENGE WHEN YOU ELECT JOHN MCSAME LEBANON, CHAD, HAITI,EVEN VENEZUELA WILL NOT ONLY ASK AMERICA WHAT CAN YOU TO ME?WE WILL FIGHT YOU.THIS WILL HAPPEN DUE TO THE WRONG CHOICE AMERICANS ARE GOING TO MAKE ON THE 4TH OF NOVEMBER .I WILL THEN CALL THE ATTENTION OF RUSH LIMBAUGH, KARL ROVE, SEAN HANNITY, MARK LEVIN, AND SOME OTHER HATERS OF THEIR FELLOW HUMAN BEING ALIKE TO SEE WHAT THEY DID TO AMERICA.BY BEING A SURROGATE TO MCCAIN AND PALIN THE SAME JOB THESE SURROGATES DID TO BUSH,IS WHAT WE ARE RECEIVING THE PAY TODAY.GOOD LUCK AMERICA FOR YOUR CHOICE OF PRESIDENCY.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for your comments on organizers and yes, I also felt dissed having been an organizer for over 30 years. You have major responsibilities, work long often thankless hours and many times YOU DO have to manage a budge and a staff. Palin's comment was a put down and the way that the Republican elites went along with the laugh, is because they probably detest organizers - like the many of us who have organized hundreds of thousands against their wars and their corporate interests. Obama's record as a State and U.S. Senator, beyond organizing in the South Side of Chicargo, where there are successes that have been noted on the record, cannot be compared to being a mayor. It further appears that Ms. Palin's executive experience as mayor is in the hands of her City Administrator. I agree with the woman who is concerned about her being a mother. Seems like she has some troubled kids and some interesting relationships, she needs to be home and use some "executive experience" as home-maker to sort out, instead of run for a VP. John McCain's judgement was truly impaired when he did not vet this woman properly. Check the ABCNEWS.com for the Ross investigative report on the "banning the books" at the library story. McCain's has picked someone with a lot of issues. Now, they will be his and the U.S.A. if we vote them both in.

Posted by: ayomeansjoy | September 11, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Richard! Your response lacks backbone! It's the tactic Republicans who know dern well what's in the Kool-Aid and aren't going to drink it, but aren't going to condemn the servers either, use! Republicans jump to all sorts of ridiculous, negative conclusions about every vowel and syllable that comes out of Obama's mouth, but cannot recognize the insult(s) which shot out of Palin's mouth like machine gun fire?! Being mayor of a homogeneous small town most certainly is not equal to representing the multiple interests of a large heterogeneous urban city and finding ways to represent all their interests in standing up to the disinterested powers that be. Obama's experience more closely matches the challenge he wants to take on as President of The "Great Melting Pot" United States than Sarah "I'm A Redneck, Lipstick Wearing Pit Bull" Palin's does! No! Palin did nothing to earn a right to "present" herself as a potential President. Obama campaigned for two years and got elected. Palin was appointed by a desperate, cynical old man who sold his soul as a maverick for a chance to be President himself. That's the real truth. And it ain't Kool-Aid!

Posted by: iphoenix | September 11, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Real Clear,

When did it get bad to have an education from a great school and be smart? Does having an eduction make you an elitist when you have to get the education through student loans because your single mom can't pay for it? Yes, people with educations get us into trouble, but the ones with education also got us out of quite a bit of trouble.

The fact is smart is better than stupid. The selection of Sarah Palin is the lowest the country has ever set the bar for someone to stand as President of the United States. By picking her John McCain told the American people you don't need any qualifications to be President of the United States other than to be able to read a speech someone else writes for you.

Do you have any idea how hard it is and how smart you have to be to get to be the President of Harvard Law Review? Do you have any idea how hard it was to be the first African-American President of the Harvard Law Review? Do you have any idea of the depth of knowledge one obtains not just in the law but all aspects of important issues, national and international, in that position? Obama is one of the most brilliant minds of his generation. As I said, that is a good thing, not bad.

Here is the point. Obama is not only intellectually smart, but he is street smart. He has actually helped the poor and middle class get through the closing of a steel mill. Has McCain done anything like that? Has Palin? And, in a different way than McCain, he showed that service to his country and its people were more important than his individual financial gain. When he left law school he could have made over $100,000 per year, yet he chose to actually try to do something to benefit those who were even less fortuante than himself. You tell me who understands what the real American people who are trying to pay their bills and have no or are afraid of losing their jobs feel and need. But, you are right, McCain with 7 homes, none in foreclosure, really understands and cares more about the people in our country than Obama.

And, Sarah Palin is running for the position of a "heart beat away from the President of the United States", not for simply Vice President. John McCain said he would pick a Vice President who was prepared to step into the shoes of the President from day one. Even if you like Palin, does anyone out there really believe she met McCain's own criterian? He made a desperate judgment with little or no information to try to save this election. I don't want another George Bush in the White House who makes the same kind of foolish and irresponsible decisions in the White House.

Posted by: MarvAlan | September 11, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Everyone who wants to know what Obama has and has not accomplished - please see wiki. I know it's not always the most creditable of sites but it has links on the bills that have been sponsered by Obama that lead straight to the Congress site and I'm pretty sure no one will argue that.

POINT BLANK...get ready for this one...BOTH SIDES ARE IDIOTS!!!

And all of US (and yes I'm including myself) who are up on these blogs complaining should really spend more time reading the policy views from both sides on THEIR websites so that we can make a truly informed decision and not a popularity vote. I am an African-American Woman so according to half of you I should be voting for Barack because of his race and the other half think I should vote for McCain because of Palin's gender...sheesh get over yourselves...I'm voting for the issues and the party shows me exactly how they plan to do this so called CHANGE (because the word is starting to have as much positive effect as a winter coat in the dead heat of summer) before the very moment I go to cast my ballot will get my vote...I encourage you to do the same...but what do I know...I'm just an African-American-Female-Generation X-Middle Class-Christian-Married Soccer Mom-Iraq War Veteran...who wears lipstick

Posted by: Enough already | September 11, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Raecine.

I believe you have shown great incite! I think she adores the attention she is receiving and that she has sold her soul to the highest bidder! What glory she must be in right now! However, all this stuff going on with the vice-presidential candidates seems silly to me! For the most part that position holds very little influence on the future of this country. Our choice as POTUS is the most important choice here. This is the person we elect that will have the power and responsibility to lead this nation. Barack Obama has the intelligence, youth, vigor, personality, strength, and vision to get this country back on track. McCain lacks everyone of these qualities! Obama for a kinder,gentler, responsible, and respectful America.

Posted by: Scott | September 11, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Enough,

Is experience as a "soccer mom" the equivalent to a "hockey mom"? Now there's an issue!

Your points are very well taken. I just wish everyone would talk about issues and answers, but unfortunately "personality" and "perceptions" have become so important. Maybe one day ...

Posted by: MarvAlan | September 11, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Capehart,
Why don't you actually start being a person of integrity on Morning Joe instead of sitting there not saying a word when they go on with GOP talking points

Posted by: Todd | September 10, 2008 1:36 PM

Toddy,

My sentiments exactly! It's amazing and disappointing to see African American columnists like Capehart and Eugene Robinson go on these talking head shows and speak with a totally different voice, seeming to be more concerned with being invited back then speaking truth.

Posted by: Dawn | September 11, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I think you take Palin's comments for exactly what they are, the opinion of a small state governor who's politics don't transfer to the other 49 states.

It was stupid to even suggest the "community organizing" is a job without responsibilities. It's as if she didn't know that PTAs, church groups, boy scouts, youth sports, I could go on are all examples of community organizing.

I can't believe the democrats haven't made more of this and I said as much to their candidate.

Palin is a nice enough person but while it might be okay to fire your police commissioner because he doesn't fire your brother-in-law in Alaska and then support and then not support a bridge to a island of 50 people and have a husband that would like to be President of Alaska someday that kind of thing isn't going to be tolerated on the big stage,.... well I could be wrong we are still looking for those weapons of mass destruction,.... my bad, she'll fit right in.

Posted by: Fulltime Observer | September 11, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Palin is perfect for Washington. She is a nasty lady. I am a married white woman and the crappy statistics say that I am supposed to think Palin is the greatest thing ever. She is awful and anyone with a brain knows it. She was a political pawn. McCain is a shell of the old McCain. With those two in the White House, the Bush Adminstration will be alive and well.

Obama Biden 08!

Community Organizers Unite!

Posted by: Holly | September 11, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Capehart and fellow commenters
People who are active in their communities are laudable. Indeed, Gov. Palin probably relied heavily on such people when she was mayor of Wasilla. However, having read Obama's autobiog, the point is that Obama was not a PTA mom. He was given an ivy league education, devoured books on black redicalism, including those of Saul Alinsky and has essentially made organized governmental extortion his career, along with the William Ayerses, Rev. Wrights and Fr. pflegers of the world, via the gamaliel foundation, the ACORN foundation, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a network of other "foundations" and the democratic [sic]Tony Rezko, "Richie" Daly mafia of Chicago. Obama is a professional left wing agitator who sees government as the only actor in effecting anything. He never organized starting a business or gave any added value; he merely pressured and manipulated to cut a slice of public money created by productive elements of society to fund workers collectives under his leadership. He's a soviet type. No disrespect to the no doubt good people you praise. But that ain't Obama, and you know it.

Posted by: Steven Marshall | September 11, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Steven, you need to take your pills. Is it possible to write a sentence with more hatred and misinformation. For example, just one now, do you know who Annenberg is? Some left wing radical right? Sorry, he was Nixon's biggest supporter and fund raiser. Nixon spent a lot of time on his yacht.

Now, a little truth. John McCain has decided to run a dirty disgusting campaign, filled with your kind of lies. We can expect the same from him if he is elected, just like we got from Bush/Rove.
Sarah Palin, is a fool. Not an insult, just the truth. Even with Charlie Gibson she was a moose in headlights. She had not a clue on foreign policy issues. She actually said she understood Russia because you could see it from Alaska. And, her flash card preparation just didn't cut it. "Bush Doctrine"? Wuh? Then she got it wrong. She said the US can strike when it is aware of an immenent attack on the U.S. Well that wasn't what the situation in Iraq. It was a "growing" threat that had to be stopped. Iraq under the Dictator Saddam had no weapons to attach the United States with. She just didn't know what to say. They needed more than two weeks to get her ready for and interview and couldn't do it. I actually head a McCain talking head last night say that the American people don't want someone who knows the facts and figures of an issue! I guess stupid is a John McCain qualification for VP and President.

After that interview, Putin must be shaking in his boots. Iran is ready to give up. The world must be thrilled that someone who never visted Europe, Asia, Africa(she actually said that her trip to Kuwait a few days "Changed her life". How. By letting her know that there was an actual world outside of Wasila?

The fact is the Republicans are running a campaign of fear and are banking on the stupidity of the American people. It worked before and we got Bush/Cheney. If it happens again we get much worse.

Posted by: MarvAlan | September 12, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I agree with MarvAlan 1 million %.

Posted by: Maria | September 12, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

As an Obama supporter, I support him with the knowledge that he is an imperfect human being--not a messiah. He is talking about the issues, something McCain is not.

I used to have some respect for McCain, but he has proven over and over that he is willing to sell his honor and integrity just to win this election. His VP pick is a woman who is woefully ignorant about national and foreign affairs. This lack of knowledge came through with her linking of Iraq to 9-11 and--three days earlier--to her remark that FNMA and FMAC had gotten too big and expensive for the taxpayers (both have been privately funded). Not to mention the suggested possibility of going to war with Russia.

Even though she is not the one running as president on the Republican side, she should presumably be ready to take over if something should happen to McCain.
Therefore, she SHOULD be exposed to the media in order to demonstrate what SHE brings to the table.

And the charges of sexism started to wear thin more than a week ago. Coming from a campaign that has no shame in making libelous charges against Obama, invoking sexism even when justified as well as making a mountain out of the "pig with lipstick" remarks is the height of cynicism and contempt for the electorate.

Posted by: Anne | September 14, 2008 5:42 AM | Report abuse

Jonathan, thanks for, perhaps obliquely, raising virtually-ignored urban issues. At election time there is almost always complete silence about these things in spite of the fact around 80% of the population live in or very close to cities. Why is living in or hailing from a small town more honorable or virtuous than being from or living in a city? It's a pathetically outdated stance to suggest that big cities are full of bad people and crime and poverty, and even if it weren't, it's a simple matter of demographics that where all the people live there will be more of everything, including crime. Combine this with the fact that urbanization is an increasing trend, and is likely to remain so due to rising fuel prices and the consequent economy of walking, mass transit, or shorter car commutes, then urban people and urban issues ought to be the focus of the political debate. Statistically, Sarah Palin and her Alaskans, and i mean no offence to Alaskans, are minute and their issues comparatively insignificant compared to those of 80% of Americans. So please can we ignore Caribou hunters and hockey moms and start paying attention to everyone else?

Posted by: Windsor | September 17, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

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