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Cribbing From John Edwards

Remember when John Edwards was campaigning for president by proclaiming that America was two nations, one of and for the rich, the other of and for everybody else? Republicans hated it. Accused him of class warfare. Yowled that he was fomenting resentments that sundered national unity.

Well, guess who’s the two-nation party now?

As the Republican convention goes into its final evening, the GOP has resurrected every culture war-whoop, every booboisie resentment, every Nixonian snarl against the educated elites, the city dwellers, the liberal media and the Hollywood dilettantes that has been the party’s meat ever since the Vietnam War (or, even before then, since Joe McCarthy). This year’s Democrats, by contrast, are trying to draw economic distinctions between the parties, but no one can plausibly argue that they are demonizing the rich as Republicans are demonizing the liberals. (For one thing, there are too many rich Democrats, and virtually no liberal Republicans.)

Republicans like to think they are still the heirs of Ronald Reagan, but the tone of their convention has been more Nixonian than Reaganesque. Nixon’s genius was always his ability to excite working- and middle-class rage against liberal cultural elites, and this remains the default Republican uber-theme to this day. We hadn’t heard that much of it before the convention, but Sarah Palin proved herself a master of maternalized Nixonism in her speech last night. Presumably, McCain himself will steer clear of the more extreme forms of lib-bashing tonight, but we should understand that his strategists have concluded the only way he can win is by a Nixonian division of the country. America, as they see it, is two nations – or else, good Lord, Barack Obama will become president.

By Harold Meyerson  | September 4, 2008; 5:25 PM ET
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Sarah Palin may be a woman, but she does not appear to be much of a lady.

Posted by: Olive | September 4, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

"The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones," said Shakespeare's Mark Antony of Julius Caesar.

When Sen. McCain is dead he will be remembered for ditching his first wife, marrying into an organized crime family, and then using that corrupt Arizona business and political network to launch a political career to realize his Presidential aspirations.

And, given the way he has demonized Sen. Obama as the anti-Christ, should anything happen to Obama, McCain's reputation will go along with him to hell.

Posted by: Deep Blue | September 4, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Possible factor contributing to Nixonian decision to run against educated elites. More Vetting...

Palin attended 5 colleges in 6 years. McCain campaign contacted 0 of them.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hjGaAjQoUCE3VQ4N3M852LEdOVtwD9304JE80

Did the first dude ever go to college?

Posted by: Mary | September 4, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

So.........the progressives (radical left) and liberal media pundits and other journalists, Democrats and bloggers attack Palin and her family with unwarranted, sometimes untrue and often unvetted meanspirited comments, but it is the Republicans who are Nixonian?

The same far left parties attack those that are pro-life, opposed to legalizing illict drugs and disagree with equating homosexual sex with heterosexual marriage. But......it is these right wingers who are mean, even when they are told "we (Democrats) will not tolerate intolerence" ( as we define it ). Got it.

Posted by: rljmsilver | September 4, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh, poor Sarah. She is a pit bull with lipstick, right? Then she can take care of herself.

Posted by: Judy | September 4, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Edwards was right--there is 2 nations--one that walks the talk and the other just drill, drill, drills.

Posted by: Zippy | September 4, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

What an on point opinion, Thank You!!
It truly is the Republican strategy, the only one they know.Whats real funny is they spew about Liberals being some "eliteist" regime, while the GOP is the financial sector of this country.So why do they insist we, or basically anyone other thana republican are just elite extremists??
Is that all their big money could educate them with, a 50 year old argument with 60 year old ideals??
So much for this "New Party " approach day 1 and 2 tried to start for the GOP, they have completely lost themselves in "Liberal Bashing" and it is the ruin of this candidacy!//
I Love It, Keep up the Good Work!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Wow | September 4, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I think the Red Separatists (aka GOP) are only going for the really old really white nation, quite frankly.

Even my northern state of Washington, here in the West, has more hispanics and more blacks than the RNC convention floor does ...

Posted by: Will in Seattle | September 4, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the notion of "post-partisanship" is that the Republicans haven't bought into it. They still campaign by making crude, vicious personal attacks on Democrats, questioning Democratic candidates' patriotism, integrity, and fitness to govern. The Democrats, by contrast, are careful to begin every criticism of Republican **policies** by stating that they consider their opponents to be honorable people. Unfortunately, this lopsided game -- whereby only members of one party adhere to the rules -- merely makes the Democrats into punching bags.

If the Republicans won't play nice -- and it should be patently obvious by now that they won't (perhaps they're constitutionally incapable of it) -- neither should the Democrats. "Post-partisanship" might be a sound idea if the Republicans would stop vilifying Democrats. However, in the real world, where the GOP has chosen to engage in character assassination rather than to debate important issues in a meaningful and substantive way, the concept of "post-partisanship" is an abdication by Democrats of the vital role of a loyal opposition. It will lead not to an idyllic era of bipartisan cooperation, but to continued one-party rule, a situation in which the true interests of the vast majority of Americans are ignored (and abused) by a domineering Republican party that refuses to share power.

Posted by: JB | September 4, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

In the McCain-Palin world, we will all go back to the days of shotgun weddings and back alley abortions;oil companies and unregulated financial industries will rule our economy;health insurance executives will continue to be paid $25 million annual bonsuses while average Americans continue to go without any health insurance;and politics in Washington will become even more gridlocked.

Posted by: Susan J | September 4, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

WHY INTELLECT AND ACADEMIC BACKGROUND IS NOT A RELEVANT ISSUE ANY MORE IN THIS COUNTRY? IS IT THAT OUR EVER SHALLOW MEWS MEDIA JUST DECIDED TO IGNORE IT FOR GOOD? BEING POW FOR THREE YEARS AND C CLASS NAVAL ACADEMY STUDENT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN AN OUTSTANDING IVY LEAGUE GRADUATE, COLLEGE PROFESSOR AND AUTHOR? ONLY IN AMERICA!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Yes, there they go again. The liberal media elite or elite liberal media. Yawn. All that whining's making my head hurt. If she were truly as tough as she says - you know, shooting moose and all- this Beltway scrutiny that every politician goes through would be nothing.

Posted by: Rubytoes | September 4, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Here's the deal. For decades now, the religious right has been the butt of jokes and criticism. They're so hungry for some kind of social vindication that even after 8 horrible years of George W. Bush, they still support him -- and his female twin: Sarah Palin (arrogant, corrupt, and not all that smart). If McCain had brought a for-real pitbull on to the stage, and it could moan about Jesus and abortion and gay marriage, they would vote in droves for it. The one thing you have to remember about these people: they WANT the world to end. Never vote Republican -- its just too dangerous.

Posted by: Be Very Afraid | September 4, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Devide and concur, a strategy as old as man.

Posted by: Old Coot | September 4, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Ah please. As if the left does not attack the right or center or anybody who disagrees with them.

Posted by: Ram | September 4, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

PRO-LIFE AND ANTI GAY SEX sin???

WHY DIDN'T JESUS DEMOGOGUE THESE ISSUES AS WELL???


IN FACT, HE SAID "IF YOU EVEN LOOK LUSTFULLY UPON A WOMAN. . "

-JESUS WAS SAYING: GAY PEOPLE WON'T ACCOUNT FOR 6.5 BILLION FOLKS IN 2008-neither will abortion-

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

abortion and GAY SEX-are SINS-but they are FAR from the ONLY SINS.

Posted by: jj | September 4, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

You are spot-on in your observation, Ram.

The lower order demonuts don't like it and make asinine digs against Sarah simply because she opened a serious can of whoopass on them.

But I love it. It reminds me of Ralphie beating the snot out of Scott Farkus in "Christmas Story."

So, so satisfying.

Posted by: larinalda | September 4, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

MOST AMERICAN AREN'T AREN'T CONSIDERING ABORTION, OR GAY SEX.

-and don't care about GITMO-either

-and most AMERICANS don't care about 'terrorism'given the WIDE OPEN US BORDER FOR BROWN PEOPLE TO CHA CHA CHA in-

Posted by: JJ | September 4, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Look, McCain has been in Washington for decades: he is am entrenched part of the establishment.

So now he turns up running against something he played a role in creating. This is nutty.

And then of course there's Caribou Barbie . . . Maybe it has something to do with cultural enervation.

Posted by: achshav | September 4, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse


Lefty spin from an elitist. Nothing to see here.

Posted by: julia | September 4, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

MOST AMERICANS CARE MORE ABOUT THE 500 BILLION SPENT IN IRAQ-THAN IRAQ.

MOST AMERICA WONDER HOW MUCH NUCLEAR ENERGY-500 BILLION-WOULD HAVE PRODUCED FOR US!!!


Posted by: jj | September 4, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

This article is horrible!

Posted by: Joke | September 4, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Let's all vote for no health care, no education, no infrastructure repair, religious paranoia, aggressive and murderous foreign policy, environmental degradation, unchecked economic growth and waste, a growing gap between the rich and poor, freewheeling corporations, disappearing civil liberties, a growing culture of fear and ignorance, special interest politics, secrecy and lies, suppression of the scientific community, expatriate outflow and brain drain, a growing secret police force and disappearances, rising food costs, ripping up food crops to plant biofuel, international isolation, increasing support for Israel's war crimes and land grabbing, low intensity but long lived wars/occupation on sovereign nations, a greedy munitions industry..

Vote Republican. Vote McCain. Bringing the end of the world to every American, much faster than we thought.

Posted by: rockstardave | September 4, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

OmG what a lazy uneducated group of commenters.
I at least never relied on one source of information.

Posted by: Gary | September 4, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm an Obama guy but only because I change my allegiance evry 8 years or so. I guess that's pretty cynical, but I really don't see much difference in the parties so switching them on general principles every so often is common sense.

This year, the Repubs have to answer for eight years of incompetence in waging this war, screwing up the economy, not making the Medicare drug benefit income sensitive, letting the CEO class rape the treasury, cause a mortgage crisis thru lawless deregulation, and Katrina as the cherry on top.

I do give Bush much credit for ending the terror attacks in country. I also credit the Muslim community in America. But everything else Bush touched he screwed up. I admire John McCain tremendously, but he is backing the wrong agenda on too many middle class economic issues. And it's time to change horses anyway.

Posted by: feudi | September 4, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Jimmy Carter had the same naive ideas that Obama has, history repeats itself. Carter said there was an energy crisis, an oil shortage, turn your thermostats down... it was a lie, there was no oil shortage, there isn't one now. Carter's disasterous failure to support the Shaw of Iran resulted in the Iranian revolution, the hostage taking of Americans, the takeover of Iran by moslem fundamentalists, and now the rise of a nuclear Iran. One can only imagine the disaster which would be left if Obama, the candidate of no experience, becomes president. More businesses will leave to avoid Obama's increased taxes, you can't blame them, and more people will be out of jobs. How can anyone really believe that the middle and lower classes won't have their taxes raised by Obama. Are people really that gullible. Sadly, yes they are.

Posted by: Chris | September 4, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Would someone please reign in DICK Cheny before he causes any more trouble internationaly. His aim is really bad and his foreign relations policies are dangerous. Please call the guys in the white coats and recommit him! Quickly before he gets us into another WAR?

Posted by: Grandpappybear | September 4, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

"And it's time to change horses anyway."

Right. Give the kitchen a good cleaning.

Posted by: achshav | September 4, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Lord Barack Obama, is that supposed to be subliminal?

Posted by: stu | September 4, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

The double talk and double standards that are being espoused in the article and by commentators is beginning to exceed the normal bounds of rational thought. 'They are dividing the country'...just like the democrats. It's called politics. I simply find it completely astounding that otherwise rational humans turn into 6 year olds who taunt those who are different from them so they can try to gain some advantage. It ALL smacks of a 7 year old getting busted for snatching cookies before dinner, but trying to cast attention away from the transgression by revealing the existence of their 9 year old sister's makeup stash. Please remove the plank from your own eye first.

Posted by: IsIt1984? | September 4, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA WON'T ANSWER Palin-with 'NAY VOTE ON ANWR'-BY "DRILL DRILL DRILL" McCAIN;NOR WILL 0BAMA CHALLENGE 'WAR ON TERROR'-with wide open BROWN BORDER. . .

AND GOVERMENT BORDER PATROL-WITH PENSIONS PROVIDED BY CORPORATE TAXES-via sweat of CHEAP ILLEGAL LABOR.

NOR WILL UNION 'LEADERS' REFUSE DUES FROM ILLEGAL LABOR AND/OR accepting bribe$ from their EMPLOYERS.

Posted by: JJ | September 4, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

P.S. V.P. DICK C. I am one American for whom you DO NOT speak for!!!!

Posted by: Grandpappybear | September 4, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA WON'T ANSWER Palin-with 'NAY VOTE ON ANWR'-BY "DRILL DRILL DRILL" McCAIN;NOR WILL 0BAMA CHALLENGE 'WAR ON TERROR'-with wide open BROWN BORDER. . .

AND GOVERMENT BORDER PATROL-WITH PENSIONS PROVIDED BY CORPORATE TAXES-via sweat of CHEAP ILLEGAL LABOR.

NOR WILL UNIONS stop ILLEGAL LABOR FROM PAYING DUES-and accepting bribes from their EMPLOYERS.

Posted by: JJ | September 4, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

I always get a kick when the right wing attacks the liberal academia. After all this time, you would think enough of them could earn professorships to even the playing field. Alas, I guess they would rather complain and "home educate" rather than exhibit enough brain power to teach at our leading universities.

Posted by: tmac1945 | September 4, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Some of the comments for this are outstanding. Especially JB:

"... a situation in which the true interests of the vast majority of Americans are ignored (and abused) by a domineering Republican party that refuses to share power."

I've never heard a more simple and accurate description of the past 8 years.

Posted by: ArmyBrat68 | September 4, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

America is at least two nations. One made up of those people that believe that people should be judged not by the color of their skin but the content of their character. One made up of those people that believe that is better to ask what they can do for their country as oppossed to what the country can do for them. One made up of those that believe that there is a right and a wrong, and live their lives according to what they believe is right. Then there is the other nation where special preferences, redistribution of wealth, and morality is a personal choice are the beliefs which are to be mandated by law on to others.

Posted by: IBIS | September 4, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

why are the wealthiest people in the US liberals? Why do people who earn their wealth vote democrat and people who inherit their wealth vote republican? why is it that the real hard working people in america vote democratic and the fat slothing christian fantical rednecks vote republican? why do these same fat sloth rednecks complain when they lose their jobs to minorities? why do republicans think they are entitled and democrats are willing to share the piece of the american pie with everyone in the world? why are republicans so afraid of dark people? why do republicans live in the suburbs and drive gas guzzling cars to haul their behemoth bodies to the malls and steakhouses while democrats live in the cities and make more money and pay more taxes and dont complain? WHY DO REPUBLICANS WHINE ABOUT TAXES SO MUCH AND YET SO FEW OF THEM ARE INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO MOVE TO A INCOME TAX FREE STATE LIKE FLORIDA, WASHINGTON OR TEXAS AND SAVE THEMSELVES 8%.

Posted by: bobby | September 4, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama should just go back to writing fantasy books and leave governing to someone who knows something about it.

Posted by: Joe | September 4, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

For McCain, Country First = Rich 1% First. Then maybe, if all goes really well, some may trickle down to the rest of us.

Posted by: Don Ping | September 4, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Republicans: The party of impetuous decisions and compounded mistakes.

Posted by: Scatoma | September 4, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Democrats are working overtime back-stabbing anyone having a different view.... Nothing new!

Truth is, Obama will do anything to promote himself - even though he knows he does not have the experience to be President. Obama is so impressed with himself it is reducing his chances to win.

Posted by: speedy | September 4, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Joe I think Bush has proved that anyone can govern the US. If the worst President in US history cant bankrupt the US then anyone who is not on life support can lead this country.

Posted by: Jack | September 4, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

The convention reminded me of a rally for the third reich. Palin was cast in the role of Dionysis, or Diana goddess of the hunt, bringer of bounty and fertility.
They even held up placards saying "Prosperity".

When is the last time we, the people saw prosperity. Sorry they don't say the people any more. They, are we the people.

The rest of us are now "the public". They correct themselves if they slip and jab themselves on that curious talking point.

We witnessed a pagan fertility rite last night, not a convention!

Posted by: cyberbian | September 4, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Abortion NOT AN ISSUE FOR MOST AMERICANS; AND NEITHER ARE GAY ISSUES.

WHO CARES ABOUT THE 500 FOLKS AT GITMO??? THE GOOD COP MEDIA JEWS?

FOLKS SHOULD WONDER ALOUD-why NUCLEAR ENERGY IS OK FOR ISLAMIC FRANCE; HIROSHIMA/NAGASAKI. . .BUT NOT FOR U.S. OILIGARCHY!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

"Would someone please rein in DICK Cheney"

He's over in Georgia, poking a stick in Brer Bear's eye.

I understand that Caribou Barbie has offered to call up the Alaska guard troops and send them to fight if rooskies get medieval on Cheney's heinie. The two of them would l-o-v-e to put the country on a solid war footing. Woo-hoo!

Posted by: achshav | September 4, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

My My,

If a republican said the sun comes up in the morning then you wouldn't have to wait long before a liberal said it did not.

That said, I think we have not only met our possible VP but the first woman to really have the true grit and self accomplishment in almost all areas of her life to be the first Woman President.

Watch out what you say, she may be the one Vetoing the spending you governmental expansionists want.

Posted by: Narly | September 4, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Abortio-NOT AN ISSUE-FOR MOST AMERICANS; AND NEITHER ARE GAY ISSUES.

WHO CARES ABOUT THE 500 FOLKS AT GITMO??? THE 'GOOD COP MEDIA' JEWS?

FOLKS SHOULD WONDER ALOUD: "WHY NUCLEAR ENERGY IS OK FOR ISLAMIC FRANCE; HIROSHIMA/NAGASAKI. . ."BUT NOT FOR U.S. OILIGARCHS!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2351/1903451448_635a36aed2_o.jpg

Who in their right mind can possibly vote for Bidden now?

Posted by: Harvey Shepperd | September 4, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Wow, what a collection of ignorance ! I am amazed at the collective ignorance of Americans to even consider a Presidential candidate such as Hussein Obama. Clueless, self-centered and no experience.

As rockstardave stated above.
Vote Democrat. Vote Hussein. Bringing the end of the world to every American, much faster than we thought !!

Posted by: DNC | September 4, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Narly,
the sun doesnt rise in the morning during the winter in Alaska. You dems are really stupid.

Posted by: fairbanks | September 4, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey cyberbian, you should go back to reading Lord of the Rings

Posted by: Joe | September 4, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

dnc. Bush is spending $30bil/mo to protect haliburtons interest in iraq and you think we are there to protect american citizens here in the US? wow you are gullible and stupid

Posted by: RNC | September 4, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey speedy, you hit the nail on the head. Obams should be in People magazine beside Brad Pitt.

Posted by: Gino | September 4, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

The evangelical group Matthew 25 is sending a letter of protest to Sarah Palin for her un-Christianlike tone as well as her factual inaccuracies about her record and Obama's last night.
They are getting signatures from members right now and will be sending it to her and the press within a couple of days.

Their feeling is that she is representing Christianity and so her behavior should reflect Christ's teachings.


Posted by: Harold | September 4, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I encourage the republicans in the nation to support the war by sending their children to Iraq. I'll be happy to sit here and watch TV while you all do your patriotic duty to God, country, and whatever without the least bit of guilt about it. All those cute 8 year olds, well, you'll all look good in cammies in 10 years or so. God bless America. Feel free to take a bullet for me, soldier/

Posted by: Clark Rockefeller | September 4, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

If the Dems really want to win, they need to focus on the Bush/Cheney Administration involvement and setup of 911 and the destruction Of the WTC. The U.S. installing explosives in the bldgs weeks before 911. The details cannot be effectively analysed seeing the crime scene was destoyed. Many with expert credentials who have checked out all available footage and some of the debris realize and have spoken out about this being a inside job. Bldg 7 as well as both towers were demolition Jobs carried out by the United States and the Bush Administration. We need a clean sweep not just Bush but the Congress, Senate, Supreme Court and Federal Reserve Bank.
All involvement with Foreign interest lobbying and control such as Ttrilateral Commision and the Bilderberg needs to stop.

Posted by: jack | September 4, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

My goodness, if there is no oil shortage now, then there must be infinite oil in the ground still waiting to be drilled! Bring on the drills, the most drilled country in the world, the one that supplied the free world with oil during WWII, the one that was first drilled, that drilled more wells with better technology than any other, that has pumped more oil than any other nation - STILL HAS INFINITE OIL! STOP THE PRESSES! THE WORLD IS MADE OF NOTHING BUT OIL!

You know, stuff like that is just crazy.

Posted by: PD | September 4, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

They sometimes euthanize pit bulls for attacking people -- maming & killing adults & children? I don't remember hearing whether or not they were wearing lipstick or not.

Posted by: Paula Smith | September 4, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

We can call the Republicans pot-stirrers for pointing out a culture war, but the fact remains that this really does exist in America. Over the last week, the ultra-left of our party laid into Sarah Palin and in the process went after the throats of millions of Americans that are very much like her in many ways. If we are the "educated" party, then why did we take this road, instead of letting Palin show herself, and then going after her real weaknesses. Instead, we started lining up and telling her to get back into the kitchen, etc. It came off all wrong. As a matter of fact, it showed much of the reality of the very liberal side of our party. Anyone who has ever attended an elite college can attest to the disdain many of the men (professors and students) have for the opinions of women in these places. We usually keep that hidden, but this disgusting 400 lb. gorilla showed itself very clearly this time. Especially insulting was today when Biden basically said, "Well, she does appear good enough to run against me." Thank you for your approval, sir.

Posted by: It is What it IS | September 4, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

George Bush will probably attack Iran before the election. Aircraft carriers are being positioned. The Dutch pulled a spy out of Iran because they believe a US attack is on the way and their spy was working at a likely target. If Bush doesn't do it, McCain will. John McCain and George Bush both ride a red horse.

Russia went into Georga to send a message to Bush to back off. If we go after Iran, the BTC Pipeline is history. That's ok, they can use the resulting $5.00 gasoline to scream, "drill, drill, drill".

Posted by: DaveC1 | September 4, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I have lived in a small town most of my life, and Sarah Palin could well be my neighbor. It is true small town people are friendly, unpretentious, and perfectly happy to carry their own bags into a hotel. I'm sure you get all this with her.

However it isn't all idyllic in a small town either. When I read about her taking books out of the library, I know the type (about 20% around here). Petty and nasty tussles of small town politics, yep, 5%. Making her staff take an oath of allegiance -- woah! I've seen that kind of thing too, but now we are down to a few individuals over the years. They are still typical, and pleasant enough to meet at the store, but a part of them are pretty mean spirited.

Honestly I find her small town nice, but also a bit small town mean. And it can get pretty mean in a small town -- after all, everything is personal at this scale.

Not sure how that will play out, but I will be watching for it.

Posted by: robin | September 4, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

DNC, you clearly typify Republicans, what with your terse but effective display of xenophobia, racism and fear-mongering. Congrats!

Posted by: Kozz | September 4, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

You are not a Christian if you vote Republican. People of GOD help each other. Republicans kill. Republicans have killed more than 500,000 innocent civilians in the middle east in the past 4 yrs while spending billions of dollars. Meanwhile 1 million children in North America of died while Bush has been in office. Republicans are the party of evil. IF you support evil you will go to hell. Good luck in your decision.

Posted by: John316 | September 4, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Politicians from both parties continue to rant about illegal drugs being sold and used in America all the while they continue the Reagan/Bush era of bringing plane loads of drugs in to distribute. Creating a slush fund to use for whatever evil purpose. All the while escalating our prison population greater than anytime in history.

Posted by: Jack | September 4, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2351/1903451448_635a36aed2_o.jpg

Enjoy!

Posted by: Larry Kindle | September 4, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

They baited her and baited her and baited her, but I think they thought she was one of their supposedly educated but ultimately obsequious Ivy League sycophant tarts, and that she was going to cry and submit to the "geniuses" (= males). Instead, she came out swinging, and truthfully, Obama now looks like Mr. Sweatervest.

Posted by: Warlord | September 4, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

warlord i agree. Obama does look like a genius now. Palin comes across as being an uneducated hick from the hills. Its so funny how right you are.

Posted by: wargod | September 4, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

What a sad state of affairs. The chattering classes are paid to polarize America while the rest of the world moves past the USA.

We are in a perpetual campaign where the beneficiaries are the pundits, the media, political consultants and special interests who can pay for access to law- makers.

Europe, China, India, Brazil and Russia march ahead while the promise of America fades into the rear view mirror like a kindly Grandmother saying goodbye to the grand kids she will never see again.

It has taken the UK 100 years to recover to the position of a second rate first- world power after the splintering of her empire......the US is in for a long painful decline.

Posted by: Neal Anderthal | September 4, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I agree. baseball, hotdogs apple pie and chevrolet. chevrolet is a french word. LMAO

Posted by: Pete French | September 4, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

To Don Ping. It is not trickle down, it is called trickled on

Posted by: James e | September 4, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Interesting observation for me, being a little too young to recall the Nixon campaign. However, the Reagan era often expressed a disdain for educated people. Folks who are struggling and maybe were not such good students need to realize that the ones who are trying to keep them in that position are the economic elite, the new international robber barons, and folks in academia want MORE people to pursue higher education, nowhere near the attitude of the exclusive club, high society crowd. We need to drive our culture to a higher shared respect for education and fail to do so at our own peril in terms of global economic competition. Wake up, people- the assault on the American middle class is not coming from Hollywood or our universities, it's coming from the executive boardrooms. Brutal totalitarian governments on both sides of the spectrum target intellectuals and journalists, because they are the ones who can recognize the lies and expose them in public. With the tremendous legacy of abuses wrought by Bush and his neocon cabal, it is really no surprise that they readily demonize both groups. Now that the majority of US media is in big corporate hands, it is only the courageous few journalists and the Internet that prevent them from exerting total power over the messages we receive, and their spin doctors are continuously trying to close that gap. It is my firm belief that rights come paired with responsibilities in life. As citizens we have the right to vote, and to earn and deserve that right, we have an obligation to educate ourselves. The primary social benefit of an education is NOT about economics, getting a better job, and producing more capital wealth for stockholders and everyone's 401(k) plans. It is to fulfill our responsibility as citizens to understand the issues and use intelligent criteria to select those people who volunteer to represent us- it is the foundation of democracy. People in leadership who disrespect education are counting on mass ignorance to get away with lies and criminal behavior, and if we as a country allow them to lead us around by our noses, define freedom, to tell us who is and who is not a terrorist or other threat without checking the facts, we are worse than the unquestioning Germans who supported Hitler, because we have a responsibility to know better. Intellectuals and journalists are the tools we have for calling people in leadership out on their crap. Benjamin Franklin is quoted as having said something like, "Anyone who would trade freedom for security deserves neither." The American spirit of independence requires that we question authority and hold our leaders accountable for real substance and fundamental rights that patriots died to earn us, not puny tabloid stuff like who diddled whom with a cigar, or whose teenaged daughter got herself knocked up. We should be suspicious of anyone who tries to distract from the real issues of government, to get us to stop thinking rationally and be manipulated by emotions or religious warnings of great evil. That's not leadership. America is capable of so much better- and future generations deserve it of us. This is as good a time to step up as there ever was!

Posted by: Just Joe | September 4, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

I too grew up in a small rural town, population 1500. While my experience was on the whole positive, small towns are hardly ideal. Heavy drug and alcohol use among bored teens. Lots of teen age pregnancies. Sometimes horribly narrow-minded older folks who did silly things like set huge fines for spray paint vandalism (which caused vandalism to take off to new extremes) and try to set a 10pm curfew for anyone under 18.

I can just see Sarah Palin at one of our town meetings trying to stamp out satin worship (that was a big thing in the 1980's).

Posted by: Groundhogday | September 4, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Note to Ms. Palin:

Jesus was a Community Organizer.

Pontius Pilate was a Governor.

Posted by: Republican VN Era Veteran | September 4, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

John McCain despised the religious right, when he ran for President and was swift-voted by these fanatics for Bush (2000).

John McCain loves the religious right in 2008 incarnated as his running mate and voting record of over 90% with Bush putting our nation into *trillions* of debt. (Btw, that's how tax cuts for the wealthy work & why the middle class shrinks paying more and more taxes. Republicans always blame democrats for with strategy of more ownership and wealth for themselves.)

John McCain is the culture wars and the religious right in 2008.

McCain has said this about his decision making style in his 2002 book: Worth the Fighting For... “I make them [decisions] as quickly as I can, quicker than the other fellow, ...often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”
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Obama by contrast is thoughtful, measured, balanced in temperament, and under pressure and stress he is superior in character to make wise decisions. A true leader with a high intellect, commitment and scholar respecting our U.S. Constitution, loves his country in long-term service for the common man, and his very popularity around the world will help restore our country's image and prestige.

I will be proud to have him as my president, and, yes, the world will be proud of America too. Proud to have American lead again in high esteem and ideals inspiring youth everywhere.

Freedom!

Republican Delegates:

93% White
5% Hispanic
2% Black

68% Male
32% Female

5% Union
33% Evangelicals

The statistics above proves there is NO bipartisan in the Republican party.

America, vote every Republican out of office this November, and if the democrats fail in eight years??? ...Easy! Vote both parties out.

Obama will make us loved and respected around the world. We will have far less enemies, and far more friends. Yes, he is a superstar, a celebrity, and Barack Obama is highly respected everywhere he goes. Yes he can.

What an inspiration to the world and our children.

YOU, and you, and you...

and, yes, you can, you!

...can make World History and our Nations History famous by voting for Barack Obama. It's a magic opportunity given to you just this once.

You can.

Posted by: HawkFeather | September 4, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

John316 Christians can disagree about politics but do not play the holier than thou route with who killed more people. The democrats have more than enough blood on their hands with the millions of little innocents killed on the alter of convenience. If you want to talk blood, you should be willing to accept the judgement that will surely follow abortion.

Posted by: John Q Public | September 4, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Meyerson,
You sir, are they very definition of booboisie. You should preface your every utterance with the statement: "The following is mindless gibberish guaranteed to make no sense, read at you own risk.”

Posted by: frank | September 4, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Given what I've seen of both parties' conventions and the caliber of the candidates of both parties, God help America! We are in TROUBLE!

Posted by: Tom B | September 4, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Well, the Republicans have learned that playing to the fears and KKK ideas of the 50’s elect’ candidates. It’s going to take the Independents and Democrats in this country to stand up and say NOT THIS TIME!

I believe the issues of the day are not going to be solved with these outdated tactics.
We need ideas and solutions not more empty promises. Being a POW means you are a soldier and a patriot. However, it does not mean you have the intelligence this country needs to guide us through the problems we have. I am also concerned about McBush’s judgment. Selecting his running mate definitely adds nothing constructive to the ticket other than the fact she is a woman. I have copied Lorna’s statements from another Blob. If you were wondering how Paulin governed Alaska please read.

Here is a native Wasilla resident who is not afraid to speak out about Sarah Palin.
ABOUT SARAH PALIN
I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city.
She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because she is a "babe".
It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months.
She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.
She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.
She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.
Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything like that of native Alaskans.
Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.
She's smart.
Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents.
During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall campaign.
Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative". During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.
The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit- generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.
While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.
These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.
As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.
In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus, borrow for needs.
She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them.
While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.
Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State's top cop (see below).
As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because he "intimidated" her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex- husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in- law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.
She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn't like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.
Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.
When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club" when she dramatically quit, exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).
As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.
As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance-- but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork".
She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.
Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.
As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum.
Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state initiative that would have either a) protected salmon streams from pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State's lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior's decision to list polar bears as threatened species.
McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President.
There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.
However, there's a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.
CLAIM VS FACT
*"Hockey mom": true for a few years
*"PTA mom": true years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since
*"NRA supporter": absolutely true
*social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconstitutional) .
*pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to promote it.
*"Pro-life": mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation
*"Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.
*political maverick: not at all
*gutsy: absolutely!
*open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.
*has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
*"a Greenie": no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro- drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
*fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
*pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.
*pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents
*pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla's history.
*pro-labor/pro- union. No. Just because her husband works union doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro- union.
WHY AM I WRITING THIS?
First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny + Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.
Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen when good people stay silent". Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings.
Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that's life.
Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's attempt at censorship.
Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.
CAVEATS
I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor) from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private person to get any info out of City Hall--they are swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.
You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000", up to 9,000. The day Palin's selection was announced a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was 5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90's.

Posted by: y.sister | September 4, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

So John Q. I guess Republicans have never had an abortion. If you believe that I have a war I would like to sell you.

Posted by: James e | September 4, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Just Joe,
Your comment couldn't have been said any better and I couldn't agree with you more.

Posted by: Northwest corner | September 4, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Some thoughts. You Americans are funny. I've been watching the Republican convention and I lost count of the number of time that the word "freedom" was used. Your country is so uptight because of the mess that Republicans have made, it's worse than a communist state. You're wire tapped, harassed and you almost have to strip naked to get on an airplane. To make things worse, worldwide, Americans have become despised because of arrogance and a self-serving foreign policy. For the past eight years, your Republican government has angered people overseas so much so that yes, extremists want to snuff out the US. (But then, you have your religious extremists too, who would do mean things to Muslims or any other non-Christian religious group without a second thought.)

What scares people throughout the world is that America has a large segment of population which votes in leaders who only favour the ultra-wealthy and other vested interests. Those voters tend to be uneducated, religious fundamentalists, or bigots or all those things. If you don't believe it, just read the stupid, ranting comments that are written in forums like this one. While watching the Republican convention, I want to vomit and I don't know why most Americans don't want to so as well. McCain went on about how sad it is that people are suffering from foreclosures, high debt, no food on the table and so on. Well, how about that, but it's the Republicans and their wealthy buddies that have abused Americans by running up the greatest public debt in US history and allowing big business corruption to wreck the country (one example: remember Enron?). And don't forget the utter incompetence in the way hurricane Katrina was handled.

Anyway, the Republic convention is a complete joke. Why is it that these people can stand on a stage and say outright lies and not be hauled into court and reprimanded? Yeah, the Democrats do it too, and they should be spanked as well. Furthermore, look at the money that is spent on the primaries, conventions, and election campaigns for both parties. It's disgusting. Particularly when you have so much homelessness, crime and a crumbling infrastructure. But, it is the land of the free, isn't it?


Posted by: Outside Looking In | September 4, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

man, palin is a nasty shrew! 6 years to get a ba from a third rate college. mother of the year parading her knocked up teen as a role model for America's youth. loyal wife who had an affair with her hubby's business partner. ethnics investigation in ak. book banning kook. hello white house obama/biden!!

Posted by: ss | September 4, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

"If a republican said the sun comes up in the morning then you wouldn't have to wait long before a liberal said it did not."

Well spank me for being a liberal .. Galileo proved long ago that the sun does in fact NOT rise each morning. The religous right of the day made him eat his words.. enlightening to think of the progress made since those dim times, eh?

Might be more to this science thing than meets the eye.. oh wait, that's elitist.. gotta be an ignoramus to appeal to the masses.. Although maybe, just maybe, the common man is NOT the heroes backside after all. We'll see in November.

Posted by: gonzo3d | September 4, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Time is an ellipse. Welcome to the 1930s.

Posted by: gr | September 4, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

The outrageous double standard the social conservatives display is also stunning. They pilloried Jamie Lyn Spears and blamed her lousy parents for her "accident".

Now they have made unplanned teenage pregnancy a badge of honor for the Palin family.

It's not the pregnancy. It's the hypocrisy.

Posted by: Becca | September 4, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

McCain seems so eager to do war. He talked about stopping Russia in Georgia, He talked about Iran and nuclear weapons, he talked about continuing the illegitimate Iraq war. And at the end of his speech he repeated over and over "fight with me" "fight with me. So much that it sounded like a speech of Hitler.

On the economy he only talked about reducing pork barrel spending but that is such a small amount compared to the $12 billion per month on the Iraq war. Geez lets get over it and find ways to unite countries.

McCain is very frightening in his lack of good things to help this country and his desire for war.

Posted by: On Your Own | September 4, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

It's not Nixonian -- it's Know-Nothing! Students of history will recall the "Know-Nothing" movement of the 1840s and 1850s, when ignorant pro-slavery, anti-immigrant mobs would committ KKK-style violence and claim to "know nothing" when authorities tried to investigate.

Stupid, hate-filled rabble goes way back in U.S. history. That sentiment has taken over the Repukelickin' Party. Say it loud, you knuckle-dragging Goopers -- I'M STUPID AND I'M PROUD!!!!!"

You know what, mouth-breathers? I almost hope you get the president you wish for. I have moved out of the country, and I have my money in euros and Swiss francs now. Except for the fact that I have sane friends and family back in the U.S., it would be so much fun to see your society collapse, knowing that you ignorant yokels are going to get royally screwed and probably killed in the nuclear war that your President McCaincerface will unleash.

Posted by: Bukko in Australia | September 5, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Spiro Agnew in high heels?

Posted by: Jim | September 5, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Tonight, it appeared that McCain not only divorced Bush after a 10 second thank-you for "last president's' role in the wake of Sept 11, 2001, He also divoced the Republicans sitting in the audience blaming them for last 8 years of mess they created. The republicans did not even realize that they were being divoced, and they were cheering him!!! What a spectacle!!! After being divoced these paty men he shook his hands with great joy. Wha a hypocrisy.The whole spectacle looked so cryptic.It was like a multi-millionaire transfering critical assets to his wife , divorces her, then declares bancrupsy to avoid paying the creditors. McCain does not want to own any responsibility for the mess created by him and his party. That makes a dishonest and cunning man.
It was also ineresting to note that for 2and 3/4 days his buddies made a great pitch for creating a divided America. They
bad mouthed not only democrats but almost everybody who would dare to ask them questions. they did not spare media, or the pundits , Washington (excluding McCain of course )and even community workers. It was only in the last hour of the convention that Mccain conveniently gave a lip service to Unity. What a hypocrisy!He talked about making everything right, which he and his buddies could not do for eight years. They want 4 more years , as Bill Clinton Said, for the mess they created for 8 years. Who were the people behind Bush for last 8 years.
McCain tonight officially divoced them, but will live in common-law relationship with them to make fools of American people.

Posted by: Dr. Abdullah Siddiqui | September 5, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin on Wednesday did no look like a pit bull with lip stick. She looked more like Dick Cheney with Lipstick.

Posted by: Dr. Abdullh a. siddiqui | September 5, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

WHY CAN'T THE DEMOCRATS ATTACK??????

WTF.....

THEY DON'T DESERVE MY VOTE IF THEY CAN'T FIGURE OUT AN ATTACK BASIS....

Posted by: Shannon from San Diego, California | September 5, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

The media elite? Rupert Murdoch and Rush Limbaugh are two of the biggest media presences, and they are both totally in the bag for Palin and the Republicans.

Washington elite? You mean like the ones that are now prepping Palin for the campaign? Or the ones that are running the McCain campaign.

Such divisiveness and cultural warfare saddens me greatly. Mostly because it reminds me that so many of my fellow citizens fall for this crap.

Posted by: Hillman | September 5, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Not Spiro Agnew in high heels - Jesse Ventura in high heels. Charisma and strenth, yes, but what did he do for our state. Our bridges are falling down!

Posted by: Linda | September 5, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

BE CAREFUL HOW YOU READ ARTICLES THAT ARE DESIGNED TO STIR UP EMOTIONS AND, YES, DIVIDE PEOPLE. THIS IS ONE OF THEM. BY ACCUSING ONE PARTY OF USING THE OTHER PARTY'S "IDEAS", THEY ATTACK WHOM THEY DO NOT LIKE AND STIR UP HATRED AMONG PEOPLE. IF YOU WATCH AND LISTEN TO THE CANDIDATES CLOSELY FOR YOURSELF, YOU WILL SEE THAT BOTH PARTIES TWIST EACH OTHERS' IDEAS AND MAKE THEM THEIR OWN. THEY GET OFFENDED BY STATEMENTS THAT ARE JUST LIKE THE ONES THEY HAVE ALSO MADE! THE MEDIA JUST MAKES IT LOOK LIKE THE SIDE THEY FAVOR IS THE "BAD GUY/GAL". BE WISE AND DON'T FALL FOR THE GARBAGE BEING TOSSED AT YOU. THESE PEOPLE ARE PAID TO WRITE THIS NONSENSE TO SELL MORE PAPERS AS WELL AS INFLUENCE THINKING. IF YOU READ, READ BOTH SIDES, NOT JUST YOUR VIEW. IT IS HARD TO DO, BUT GIVES MORE BALANCE. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE READ WITH DISCERNMENT, OR WE WILL BE EASILY DECEIVED AND LED DOWN A DARK ALLEY OF DANGER. AGAIN, BE WISE AND DISCERNING.

Posted by: sjh | September 5, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

I guess the question is, are Americans still buying this culture warfare waged by the Republican Party against anything that rises above the mediocrity celebrated by narrow-minded white rural evangelicals?

We partisans can argue all we want, but the decision is in the hands of the middle third of the nation.

For the past quarter century, enough of that middle went with the red meat offered by Republicans and joined the opposition to higher education and anything smacking of "elitism." In the meantime, the demographics of this nation has shifted, a generation has turned, America has gotten more culturally diverse, and the promises made by the "low tax, small government" "conservatives" turned out to be a pack of self-serving lies. What we've gotten with the dominance of Republicans this past generation is extremely expensive cronyism, war profiteering, hollow patriotism, and religiosity that has nearly taken us back to the Middle Ages.

The few times that Democrats did gain slim leads, their "tax and spend" ways turned out to be highly efficient "pay as you go," rather than "consume now, let our children and grandchildren pay." The dirty word that "liberalism" was painted as turned out to be moderate thinking with a recognition that gray areas exist in this big world of ours, and that testosterone-driven action for the sake of "keeping face" is actually self-defeating macho immaturity. Liberals try to get along with as many people as possible, which offends the conservatives who adhere to a lock-step "my way or the highway" approach to social interaction.

The question is, are enough of that middle third of Americans finished with the all-politics-no-government of what the Republican Party has become in the post Eisenhower era, and do they want to maybe try a bit of boring mindfulness and care.

All demographics point to the later.

Posted by: TerryOakland | September 5, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

Rljimsilver and the other McSame supporters,

You're calling Obama a hypocrite. What a joke. Here's Rove bashing Tom Kaine as inexperienced to be VP and Obama's supposed "intensely political" choice for VP and then later saying that Sarah Palin was a great pick. Hypocrite my as*. I guess after 8 years of spin, the facts hurt.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=Sarah-Palin-Gender-Card

Posted by: McSame | September 5, 2008 2:27 AM | Report abuse

Where does Mitt Romney get off talking about the liberal eastern elite. This is the billionaire former mayor of Massachusetts who runs a LBO shop that buys and chops up companies. He's more one of them than anyone on the planet!

WHAT A JOKE!!!! WAKE UP AMERICA. YOU'RE BEING BAMBOOZLED.

Posted by: Mark "Page" Foley | September 5, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

As a white guy with a graduate degree from Johns Hopkins, I believe that if Obama were white and his name were Anglo the Republicans wouldn't try to demean his "community service" while ignoring the fact that he was was head of Harvard Law Review. At Starbucks, I told a group of black cops that I thought Palin's speech was racist. They smiled and said, "Well, you know the gloves are off now!" Let's hope the Democrats have enough courage and strength to finally comfront these proto-fascists and reverse the decline of representative democracy in the United States! :=)

Posted by: Alessandro | September 5, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

I endorse Mark "page" Foley. Bamboozled is the word. I especially liked the way the Republicans demeaned things that Obama argued for while promising themselves to do the same thing: Like alternative energy, conservation, hybrid and improved gas efficiency, renewable energy. Bad Obama for suggesting it, good when McCain and Palin do. They aren't serious people. Frat boys, not adults. The Mad Hatter & Queen of Spades.

Posted by: frank logan | September 5, 2008 4:55 AM | Report abuse

Ah yes, demonize McCain by dragging out the old Nixon canard.
Why didn't you just compare McCain to Hitler? The KosKids from whom you take your marching orders do.
And you know what, that's OK!
After all, you want to dredge up some hoary old history to frighten the women, children, and horses.

I'll see your Nixon and raise you a
G*D D*MN AMERICA JEREMIAH WRIGHT
G*D D*MN WHITEY LOUIS FARAKAN
G*D D*MN JEWS JESSE JACKSON
G*D D*MN BUSH TAWANNA BRAWLEY

Shall I continue?

So bring it you ignorant b...
Let's look more closely at Hussein Obama's heroes
and your masters...

Posted by: JamesT | September 5, 2008 5:39 AM | Report abuse

I find it telling that the Republicans are snarling against "the man", and yet, they ARE the elite. The fact that their convention had the smallest number of minority attendees in 40 years says a lot.

Posted by: Jay in Nashville | September 5, 2008 7:17 AM | Report abuse

I would be laughing if this weren't so sad - the small mindedness and single-issue discourse in the political arena merely points out that mob rule does not equate to democratic rule. But the comments and punditry do show that when the chips are down, we really don't care about the issues - we don't really care about the economy - and we really don't care about the country. What we do care about is our own narrow personal vision of who we are and protecting our own narrow little slice of America. This is a country that no longer is a global giant - except in our own minds. This is a country that neither respects nor accepts differing points of view, religion, or creeds. And this is certainly not a country that values individuality. I hereby submit that the following so-called monuments should be taken down - the Statue of Liberty, the Jefferson Monument, the Lincoln Memorial, and the statue of Justice. These are meaningless symbols from eras past and no longer have relevance to the USA of the 21st century.

Posted by: Tess | September 5, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

"When Sen. McCain is dead he will be remembered for ditching his first wife, marrying into an organized crime family, and then using that corrupt Arizona business and political network to launch a political career to realize his Presidential aspirations."

Right.

Not the fact that he was a POW who REFUSED an early release. Not the fact that he led the way to normalizing relations with Vietnam.

You and others of your ilk don't even have the right to shine McCain's shoes, must less criticize him for "evil".

Posted by: Mike | September 5, 2008 7:41 AM | Report abuse

The problem with McCain is he is old and picked the wrong person for a VP.

Posted by: katman | September 5, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Listening to McCain's speech and some of the other speeches from the Republican convention the difference between the two parties is stark. Democrats deal with realities and Republicans deal with and win on prevarication and innuendo and, my God, how this country has suffered. Democrats have called on ocassion for higher taxes. How else to rebuild this country? Our schools are in terrible shape as are our roads, our bridges are literally falling down. So what is the Republican answer for this decaying infrastructure? If you are not going to raise taxes to pay for this what are you going to do? Just let everything fall apart.

Instead of dealing with this as well as many other issues Republicans win by, really, lying. Swift Boats, Willie Horton, and the antipatriotism smears against Max Clelland, that is how Republicans win. and they are at it again.

I opposed the invasion of Iraq, as did France and Germany. We were RIGHT. The invasion of Iraq was a mistake. Some of you conservatives could start out by at least admitting this in your posts and, God forbid, APOLOGIZING for this costly deadly mistake. As far as I am concerned we are the real patriots, we who opposed the war, and I am really sick and tired of hearing to the contrary. But that is the Republican spin, lie to win. Who the hell cares about the success of the surge? We would not have needed the surge if we had not invaded Iraq to begin with.

But I digress. The biggest success of the Republicans, those rich and privileged who would not know a poor neighborhood if they saw one, which they never do, is that they portray themselves as the champion of the common man and the people of this country are stupid enough to believe them. It is the Democrats who support unions, which, before they were destroyed by conservatives, rose this middle class to the envy of the world. Democrats support rebuilding the infrastructure, providing health care for all Americans, believe in equality, and one and on. One thing not brought up during that lovefest for Palin and her decision to have her last baby is that it costs alot of money to have a Downs dysndrome child. Poor Americans do not have alot of money. Perhaps if these women did, if they had health care, they, too could make the decision that Palin made. They did not have the choice that comes with having enough money.

I do believe that Obama will win this election as he should because I think he does understand the plight of the middle class and the poor of this country.

Of course this is something Republicans cannot understand. They have been lying to the American public for so many years they actually believe the lies.

Those tax cuts, I think I have gained about three or four hundred dollars over the last eight years because of them. Why don't the Republicans ask middle America, would you trade that four hundred dollars to run a budget surplus instead of an additional three trillion dollars in deficit? Would you give up that pittance for guarenteed health care?

Republicans are afraid to ask these questions because it would burst the bubble of their lies.

One more thing, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal", the greatest words ever written. That also includes gays, by the way. They have a right to be married if they wish So believe to the contrary if you wish but that does mean that you do not believe in those words I just wrote, that you do not believe in equality, you do not believe in equality.

That is my definition of an American by the way, that Americans believe in equality for ALL. As well as liberty, and justice and truth. I find these qualities lacking in most conservatives. They oppose equal rights for gays, therefore they do not believe in equality. They support torture and suspending habeus corpus, therefore they do not believe in either liberty or justice. And, of course, they certainly do not believe in the truth.

And that is the truth.

Posted by: MarkinNY | September 5, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Well the paid bloggers for the ONE are busy this morning!!

They are trying to say that everyone that does not vote for Obama is racist or if you
do not like Obama.. your are racist.

I have voted democrat for 37 years.. my father always said.. "The Worst Democrat is better than the Best Republican.'

I have read both Obama Books, been on the internet for hours trying to make my mind up on him. He is articulate, well-educated and successful and I may have just gone along and voted like many for the PARTY.

But I saw him for a short time on O'relly last evening, and was appalled. This was the man that the DNC ordained as there next Presidental Contender in 2004. He tried to tap dance around the issues/became down right hostile a couple of times... and pointed his finger to emphasis his points. I saw something in his face that frightened me, a willingness to be 'right' all the time.. an ego that barely could be held in check. Almost a look of hatred that he was being asked questions that he did not have 'the correct' answer to. (Of course ORelly is not my favorite commentator because he is a BUSH supporter.)

For the first time I watched McCain speak.. not a skillful talker, nothing flashy.. but I saw a look and dedication in his eye that was overwhelming. His passion for OUR COUNTRY was impressive.. His choice of his VP was a gamble. And he looked ancient compared to Palin. (But his mother is 96 years old.)

And I found his approach compelling.. he honestly appears to want to make our nation great again.

I did not see a flashy Harvard educated Lawyer. A media darling that has been groomed/molded by the DNC and MSM to be the Next President of the United States.

I find Obama's conduct and his approach to speaking to the polls and to each audience, just telling what they want to hear.

I can see him in conference, pointing his finger at Pultin or some other ruler.. and admitting no faults, no mistakes and always trying to SELL, SELL the other individual on his ideology. He be a 'tough cookie' but I think that he is a 'Pretty Lawyer' that relies more on appearance, model behavior and media presentation more than he does on guts and honor.

You see I realized last evening that I could relate to McClain as an honorable man, that has dedicated his life to serving his country more than I can a 'Flashy Harvard Educated Lawyer' that is nothing more than a media star that points his finger at individuals to put them in place and treats them like a child.

Ill vote for the MAN and WOMAN not the party, based on honor, commitment to country, and s look in sn eye when an individual talks about duty to his country.

Posted by: Miller51550 | September 5, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm not convinced that either McCain and Palin are capable of positive real change in this country. To begin with, and with all due respect for McCain's military background, neither of them represents Americans of today. Neither one of them are in touch with the realities of the problems this country truly faces. And they are incapable of intelligently discussing these issues.

The choice of Palin by McCain displays his ineptness. She has no meaningful experience worth a hoot regardless of the spin doctors. And I could deliver a speech just as well if Mr. Gerson or the actual speechwriter wrote one for me to deliver.
After all, she was well coached. She did a good job of it, there's no denying that, but delivering a speech does not qualify you to be Vice President or more likely President.

McCains health is a major issue also here.
After eight disastrous, wasteful years of Bush do we as patriotic Americans want not only more of the same, but additional devestating agendas from the Supreme Court and the religious right? I think not!

Posted by: sanity | September 5, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

I thought the Republicans are the party of hate. Not after reading most of the posts in this blog area. You Dems, or should I call you leftists, are sinking to a new low level. But that's okay it will only open the eyes of the fence sitters.

Posted by: What are you all talking about! | September 5, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

I challenge "OLIVE" to offer more information relating to Cindy McCain`s
family`s alleged ties to orgainzed crime.

Posted by: Artur | September 5, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

True, the GOP decries liberal elitism, which is a just a label -- a somewhat nasty one -- for much more complex and ambiguous distinctions within American society. But in a two-party system, there had better be identifiable distinctions that divide the two parties. Moreover, to a substantial extent, those hostile to blue-collar workers on the left have invited this GOP characterization, or at least empowered and enabled it. The strong backchannel pro-Obama spin on Sarah Palin, for instance, is that she and her entire hometown of Wassilla are nothing but "red necks" (see this post, for instance: http://theminorityreportblog.com/blog_entry/steven_foley/2008/09/03/more_red_neck_talk_about_palin , a copy of which I received in my inbox as well). Some Democrats, not all, really seem to want to tell the voters in places like Wassilla to go to hell, that they simply don't stack up against Ivy League grads, NY Times readers, and long time DC insiders. Where on earth does the instinct to send such a message come from?

Posted by: Richard | September 5, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Thank you MarkinNY for taking the time to set that out. So true. Unfortunately, there is more ... they are fascists bent on enslaving the American people in government debt.

Posted by: katman | September 5, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I had hoped Meyerson would explain how Nixonism relied heavily on anti-Semitic myths. Americans who believed in the myths or knew about them understood that "liberal cultural elite" really meant alleged Jewish cabals in education, the media and entertainment. Americans who did not believe in the myths simply assumed that Nixon was appealing to a generic sense of resentment. From what I've seen, the myths are staples of fundamentalist rhetoric and fiction, including the Left Behind books.

Posted by: Tonio | September 5, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Um...let me get this straight Meyerson.

It was Barack Obama who famously told a clubby crowd in San Francisco that when middle-America gets uncomfortable, "they" fall back on guns and religion...but its the Republicans who have suddenly hit on class/cultural politics to try and divide America....thanks for clearing that up for us.

Posted by: David S | September 5, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

We get it, Harold. You're a Democrat, which makes everything you write so, um, fresh and interesting....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Posted by: John from Indiana | September 5, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

So, what's new? All political parties engage in class wars to appeal to voters. In San Francisco, Obama took a shot at small towns, gun owners, and religious persons. Palin took some shots at the media. This has been going on for as long as I can remember. It all depends on circumstances. Harry Truman was criticized because he didn't have a college eduation, Adlai Stevenson was criticized because he was an "egghead." This is all just part of American politics. Get over it.
Ho hum.

Posted by: Jsens3 | September 5, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

The Dems have become as obscene as the Pubs.

From the article: "America, as they [Republicans] see it, is two nations – or else, good Lord, Barack Obama will become president." And BO will create a single nation? Somehow we'll magically have no rich and no poor? Does that mean we'll get a choice? Put my vote in for rich. No division based on race? Does that mean European-Americans won't be called racist merely for disagreeing with BO? No divisions based on gender? Does that mean he'll replace Joe Biden with a woman after the election? You rant is beyond laughable; it's moved into the obscene.

And to "Deep Blue"...

...maybe.. but have you considered the legacy of the last Dem presidential candidate? John Kerry ditched his wife. Of course, in his case, he'd already done his demonizing: hundreds of thousands of U.S. soldiers and sailors who he (Kerry) indicted publicly in front of the U.S. Senate with charges of war crimes -- using no evidence at all -- nothing -- zero -- nada -- zilch -- simply because he wanted to launch a political career. And then, with his first wife suffering from a serious medical condition, ditched her. And, pretending to be a "good Catholic", asked the church to annul his first (14 year) marriage. Could there be any doubt why he bothered with the church on this matter? It was political. He hasn't got the balls to simply tell the church to stuff it and suffer the political fallout. My point is, were you concerned with any of this in 2004 when you were, no doubt, supporting John Kerry for president? Don't bother to lie about it.

That's why I call them DemPublicans. One group's as bad as the other.

Posted by: NoDemPublican | September 5, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

McCain's plan to permanently extending the tax cuts would reduce tax revenue by $1 trillion over four years. If Mr. McCain eliminated every earmark (including money for the gas pipeline that Ms. Palin wants to build in Alaska), the savings would total about $18 billion a year. He hasn’t offered any idea of where he’ll get the rest of the money.

This eviscerates any idiot who froths at the mouth about "tax and spend" liberals. Unless they are willing to admit that they are NOT conservatives. Which I doubt since it allows them to feel smug about their delusions.

Posted by: lpdrjk | September 5, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I used to be a big-time doubter of the supposed "liberal media bias," but columns like this one that have been coming left and right after Palin's nomination have cured me of that illusion.

Posted by: K-Romulus | September 5, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

On review of these posts two things are clear: (1) Americans certainly have freedom of speech, although little said is insightful and most reflects party line talking points; and (2) many posters can't spell very well.

Posted by: jsens3 | September 5, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Lipstick looks better on a Pig than Sarah Palin

Posted by: HockeyGuy | September 5, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

THIS HAS TURNED INTO A COUNTRY OF GENDER BIGOTED IDIOTS. WHERE WERE YOU WHEN WOMEN FOUGHT TO BE EQUAL TO MEN IN THE MILITARY. IF SARAH PALIN BUGS YOU SO BAD, WHY DID YOU AGREE TO LET WOMEN GO TO WAR?? THOSE WOMEN ALSO HAVE CHILDREN. OR IS IT OKAY THAT THEY ARE MILITARY BECAUSE THEY AREN'T ON TV EVERYDAY TELLING YOU THAT THEY LEAVE THEIR CHILDREN FOR MONTHS AT A TIME. YOU LIBERAL TWO FACED NIT WITS MAKE ME SICK. I AM SMALL TOWN USA AND I LOVE WHAT I SEE. JOHN MCCAIN/SARAH PALIN

Posted by: Typical White Person | September 5, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Yes it is sad that our country was once the bold young upstart that showed the rest of the world how to get things done.Now we seem to be the "can't do that" country.Why can't we have health care for everyone?Why can't we implement the existing technologies to give us a modicum of energy independence while saving our planet? Why can't we sit down with the "terrorists" and discuss why they hate us and possibly find a peaceful solution? Why can't we send every American child to college?Because the politicians tell us we can't. Somewhere along the line we have allowed our government to become "all politics,no governing".Both presidential candidates offer us vague promises of change without any details on how they would go about doing that."We the People" are responsible for demanding those details.Some of the bloggers talk about the meaness of the opposing side.It seems to me neither party truly represents the majority of Americans or has a clue about the issues we deal with every day.Should we be Repulican or Democrat?,pro or con abortion?,single payor healthcare?,taxes?,gay rights?,civil rights?.Shouldn't we be Americans first? Instead of tearing down our monuments we should tear down the corporatocracy that has usurped democracy.Can't we have a do-over was a serious question. need

Posted by: SherryGT | September 5, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

THIS HAS TURNED INTO A COUNTRY OF GENDER BIGOTED IDIOTS. WHERE WERE YOU WHEN WOMEN FOUGHT TO BE EQUAL TO MEN IN THE MILITARY. IF SARAH PALIN BUGS YOU SO BAD, WHY DID YOU AGREE TO LET WOMEN GO TO WAR?? THOSE WOMEN ALSO HAVE CHILDREN. OR IS IT OKAY THAT THEY ARE MILITARY BECAUSE THEY AREN'T ON TV EVERYDAY TELLING YOU THAT THEY LEAVE THEIR CHILDREN FOR MONTHS AT A TIME. YOU LIBERAL TWO FACED NIT WITS MAKE ME SICK. I AM SMALL TOWN USA AND I LOVE WHAT I SEE. JOHN MCCAIN/SARAH PALIN

Posted by: Typical White Person | September 5, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I support Palin in drilling her pipeline to God.

Posted by: Moses | September 5, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

So the primary defense the republicans are putting up as to why they are doing the shock and awe on we the people is - the democrats are doing it.

This makes it ok? If the democrats jumped off a freeway bridge would you jump off of it too?

However vile and reprehensible you think the democratic attacks on you or your party are - you're still doing it yourselves.

The republicans are truly ugly, never before have we seen such intense hatred of the "other America". The democrats claim you are scum, you claim they are not americans. That's not the same thing at all.

Rove has introduced a disease into our politics, a cancer. He has no care beyond the next election. McCain is so desperate for power that he not only kissed Falwell's rectum with full tongue, he's also allowing Rove full penetration.

I want the republicans to be worth something, I don't want to vote for the democrats just as a hope of defending the nation against the madmen.

Posted by: tsok | September 5, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Harold Meyerson rules! This is exactly right about the GOP. It actually might be a good thing for the country - ultimately - if they drop their pretenses about liking everybody and caring about the nation. If enough people were paying attention - and had consciences - they'd be too revulsed to vote for the "R" party.

Posted by: wpreader2007 | September 5, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I agree with anon "WHY INTELLECT AND ACADEMIC BACKGROUND IS NOT A RELEVANT ISSUE ANY MORE IN THIS COUNTRY?"
Look what happen the last time we got a C student in the White House

Posted by: yogi | September 5, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

The following was said by Senator John Edwards during the Endorsment of Senator Barack Obama on May 14, 2008:

And we have so much work to do in America, because all across America, there are walls ... There's a wall around Washington, D.C. The American people are, today, on the outside of that wall. And on the inside are the big corporations and the lobbyists who are working to protect a system that takes care of them. ... There is another wall that divides us. It's the moral shame of 37 million of our own people who wake up in poverty every single day This is not OK. And for eight long, long years, this wall has gotten taller And there's also a wall that's divided our image in the world. The America as the beacon of hope is behind that wall. And all the world sees now is a bully. They see Iraq, Guantanamo, secret prison and government that argues that water boarding is not torture. This is not OK. That wall has to come down for the sake of our ideals and our security. We can change this. We can change it. Yes we can. If we stand together, we can change it. ... This is not going to be easy. It's going to be the fight of our lives. But we're ready, because we know that this election is about something bigger than the tired old hateful politics of the past. This election is about taking down these walls that divide us, so that we can see what's possible -- what's possible, that one America that we can build together.

Posted by: Cherubim | September 5, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I encourage everyone to watch the Jon Stewart clip from the Daily Show where he shows how the Republicans are talking out of both sides of their mouths. Why is it that only a comedy channel can expose this stuff? Maybe that's the comedy of it all, in the traditional greek play sense... or perhaps it's tragedy.

Posted by: NCVoter | September 5, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"THIS HAS TURNED INTO A COUNTRY OF GENDER BIGOTED IDIOTS."
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Boo-freakin-hoo... you snakes were slamming Hillary as she complained about the supposed sexism inherent in the Democratic primaries. Here's the rub: You cannot selectively claim that certain biases exist while others do not; if sexism still exists in the political process, it's very safe to say racism does too. Clearly as shown from exit polls in various "small town" battleground states, race still played a part in voters' decisions, most likely largely born out of an engineered "guilt by association" tactic which was used to try to smear Obama. Look, I do not discredit Palin for her accomplishments but some of her short-comings (which are not related to her sex) have me concerned.

In fact, I do not discredit some of what they are trying to attempt, however I do not believe we can address certain problems (such as education, cutting the deficit) without some means of increased tax revenue (i.e. taxing the rich folks who pay ~15% on their income because all of their money are in investments; not the family down the street making $200K) AS WELL AS cutting out "pork barrel spending." In short, I do not think what McCain and Palin are trying to do is anything novel. It's the same "cut the taxes of the rich" and let the free market deal with it tactic that has shown that when we leave it up to the corporations, they do what everyone else would try to do in a relatively unregulated environment: try to make as much money as possible.

Posted by: NCVoter | September 5, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin = Sarah Palimbaugh, Rush Limbaugh with lipstick.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I really beleive that once the shiny mom schick wears off from the palin cult the voters of independent and crossover are going to find her radical right wing agenda very toxic. The more you learn about the hockey mom is going to really open some eyes about ol john's running mate. She was a enrolled member in the Alaska Independence Party whose sole puorpose was to seccede from the United States. Histroy shows us the last bunch that tried where destroyed and their cites burnt to the ground.

Posted by: NoNo | September 5, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Amazing! The repubs wring their hands about the liberal media's unfair attacks and inquiries regarding the divine miss Sarah and the media caves - again! Just give Sarah Palin sainthood now and I am sure if elected her and McCain will bring us the requisit 3 miracles in short order. Whatever! The media is a joke.

Posted by: Fred 1 | September 5, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain in 2008

Posted by: Gary | September 5, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I have to admit that is somewhat surprising that most Repubs support book burning a la the Nazis, and teaching Creationism as a science. But by the unquestioning support Mrs. Palin has, that appears to be the case.

Posted by: chopin224 | September 5, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Stop picking on the repubs. They are beyond reproach. Apparently, only McCain/Palin (or is that reversed) are allowed to slam the Washington establishment. How long will it be before that establishment swatts Palin/McCain like a fly on a pork barrel?

Posted by: Fred 1 | September 5, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

It is so interesting that you bring up Edwards. He was actually referring to the two Americas - one in which it is perfectly acceptable to cheat on a spouse with cancer and the other that honors its vows.

Posted by: now | September 5, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Republicans for Obama in 2008

Posted by: slippery pete | September 5, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Great move Sen. McCain - I am sure your reach across the isle stump speech will resonate now that you have appointed the book burning secessionist Palin the "barracuda". Is anyone really taking the repubs serious anymore - come on! Pitbull with lipstick LOL.

Posted by: slippery pete | September 5, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm just hoping the MSM doesn't lay down on the job once again and is aggressive in pointing out the vile hatred spewed by repubicans, their unending hypocrisy, and total lack of a coherent policy platform.
We can't afford four more years of repubican rule.

Posted by: jeffc | September 5, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

There is no question that the Democrats have effestivly alienated minorities from the Repulican Party, thereby guaranteeing their candidates getting most of their votes. It is like watching the NAACP attack whites, but we are told they are not racists, and attack any African American who dares to do otherwise. Examples are the past federal HHS Secreatry and Clarence Thomas. Yet they support lying bozos like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson? The same for the extreme Latino self-proclaimed leaders. While Latinos are generally prolife, pro traditional values oriented and have a strong work ethic, they cannot register Republican. Having been raised as a Latino, I know that I am an independent voter partially becuase of this. Look what happened to the past US Attorney General, not because of his minor mistakes, but beause he was a Repblican and therefore Latino traitor.

Republicans need to just keep appointing minorities and women and sometime, persons "from the other America" will join their ranks. By the way the "other America" can hardley ever afford to spend so much money for a hair cut, as John Edwards does as an ambulance chasing lawyer.

Posted by: rljmsilver | September 5, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Cindy McCain had better watch her husband close. He dumped his first wife for Cindy when she was a shiny new sports car. She has a few miles on her now and he just might do it again for caribou barbie.

Posted by: slippery pete | September 5, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey rljmsilver - I am from WI. Would you like some cheese with that whine?

Posted by: Fred 1 | September 5, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

If Jesse Ventura were a woman and still govenor of Minnesota would McCain have picked him? Oh wait - he did except her name is Sarah and she is Governor of Alaska.

Posted by: slippery pete | September 5, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin = Bush with boobs...she's just another empty 'vessel' for the RW operatives to control and manipulate the electorate in order to achieve a one-vote victory this November...

Posted by: BB | September 5, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Palin! Palin! Palin! Oops. I mean, McCain! McCain! McCain!

Posted by: time in bottle | September 5, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Republicans for mcworse and Pit bull in lipstick08.Democrats for Americans of all colors not just wealthy whites08.OBAMA/BIDEN08.

Posted by: sharon | September 5, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Some of these post are so funny.Thank God we Americans have not lost our sense of humor in these difficult times at least we still have that.

Posted by: sharon | September 5, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Republican battle cry for '08.

USA, USA, US, US vs. THEM, US vs. THEM!

Posted by: slippery pete | September 5, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

All this flap about Sarah Palin makes me wonder if this an election for President or prom queen. I just hope Sarah doesn't show up at the big dance pig drunk and throw up on someone.

Posted by: Fred 1 | September 5, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Do you know the funniest thing for me while reading these comments, is all the misspelled words by the seemingly pro McCain men/women.... I guess the idea, is that they would rather write more aggressively than take the time to re read what they are writing/saying….. maybe, that’s just an analogy for the way they seem to view their life and the way they want to run your life too…. Can’t wait for the next comment…. Keep them (cumming guies)…. Mac Caiyn 2008!!!! Ya hooo……

Posted by: V.J. | September 5, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse


looking at the Republican convention, one could observe that the only represented part of the nation are whites.

Do not they have a 'hire a black agencies' in St. Paul?

Posted by: An: | September 5, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I think they should change the name from liberal's to the Thinking Party. This would match their ability to debate an issue to death to determine there is no real answer. This party is dominated by academia which can be valuable to each citizens development. This is why so many of the young prescribe to the democratic party. However once one finds the need to stop debating and actually do something they normally realize that action is required for advancement of themselves and society. Those folks quickly either drop out or not attend college because they prefer to excel in a real world where action is required and rewards are not guarenteed as they are in our nations schools and university's. Thankfully, most of these people are still "uneducated enough to believe they can achieve their dreams and wants. In most cases they still do despite every educated genius telling them they can't. Those achieving, independent, faith based individuals prefer to call themselves republicans and the U.S. is lucky to have US.

Go McCain

Posted by: jamaltimore | September 5, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Democrats have ruined our country with divisive "identity politics." Republicans have held to high discourse on issues and actions: Willie Horton, promiscuous media, NASCAR loyalty, hunting, Saddam's role in 9/11, creationism, flag pins, government intervention in women's choices, and the fiscal and ethical purity of Alaskan governance.

Posted by: jkoch | September 5, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Since we can't get along and will never reconcile, divorce is the only solution.
Liberals and media elites take the blue states, conservatives take the rest and the military and just be done with it and we will have no more bickering. I think this may be the more realistic approach!!!

Posted by: RDP | September 5, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I actually believe McCain would normally be considered a reasonable candidate. But, under the circumstances, I fell it is important to sweep away the GOP entirely in order to get down to full accountability for the crimes and misdemeanors of the Bush administration. Even though key players will get pardoned, truth needs to be exposed on so many matters. Another GOP administration will not do this, and the country will not move forward until this happens.

Posted by: cas | September 5, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

JJ show me a bible quote that shows both of those issues were:

A. Included in the bible
B. Has a passage stating both are sins

Posted by: What? | September 5, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

This election is the battle of the common denominator. Will the lowest still have the edge over the highest denominator in us all? Will our lower natures still call the shots or have we finally graduated to our better Angels? All I heard in McCain's speech last night was "fight", fight, fight, fight. I don't know about you but I'm sick of fighting. McCain can't have it both ways ... and in fact his convention was in stark contrast to his words ... The personal attacks and negativity was breathtaking and then for John McCain to come out and talk about "fighting" every second word while talking about how he would be bi-partisan ... well, the dichotomy was glaring.

Posted by: Audrey | September 5, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Fred!. I would love some good cheese with my California wine.

All I am asking is that the progressive (radical left) and liberal media, Democratic party members, bloggers and EVEN maybe professors, acknowlege that bigotry and hate speech towards persons who have a different life history from them, are also treated with respect and dignity. While they are agressive and attacking those who think differently than them, 'see the bean in their eye, before they tell their neighbor to cast out theirs". "Persons in glass houses should not throw stones". "Let those who have not sinned ( politically correctly referred to as making a mistake in life )cast the first stone."

Unfortuantely it is those I referred to above that often use identity politics to keep African Amercians, Latinos and women from leaving the Democratic Party. They put the fear of God into them about what those "other people" really think of them and will treat them like.

Examples of this is evidnet in their treatment of Rice, the past Attornel General the past Federal HSS Secretary, Sandra Rice ( who is now acceptable to them ) and now Palin. I know this has been very successful by Pelosi and Boxer in California, but it ultimately demens everybody.

Posted by: rljmsilver | September 5, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I love it when the Republicans try to out "rustic" each other.

Posted by: Turtle Poser | September 5, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Chris:
That would be the "Shah" of Iran and "muslim" fundamentalists

--from a liberal elitist

Posted by: cll | September 5, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

From the end of March to June 30, 2.9 million homeowners were delinquent on their mortgage payments – up 25% from the same time period last year.

Our friends at Strategic Investment warn that there is an even bigger property bust on the horizon – in commercial property.

The bust could be worse for banks, stocks and the U.S. economy as a whole than the current residential debacle...an almost unbelievable notion. Bloomberg says that the United States could see the worst drop in commercial property since the 2001 recession and Morgan Stanley is calling for a 15% drop over the next 2 years.

Posted by: Bob Field Toronto | September 5, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Susan J say it all:
In the McCain-Palin world, we will all go back to the days of shotgun weddings and back alley abortions. Oil companies and unregulated financial industries will rule our economy. Health insurance executives will continue to be paid $25 million annual bonuses while average Americans continue to go without any health insurance, and politics in Washington will become even more gridlocked.
.............................
Susan, every American who understands this need to convince ten others to vote for Obama. I follow Fox News because they are the bellwether for what the Republicans are planning for their brainwash strategy. If Obama sticks to your theme, he will win, but if he wimps out, McCain may.

I hope for a landslide for Obama. Nothing less will shut up these people.

Posted by: Madman | September 5, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are not against education. We really don't want to lose the gains from the Enlightenment to pseudo-intellectual socialism and big government masquerading as progressivism. We want freedom from tyranny and the right to keep one's personal property without kings or lazy parasites taking it from us and demonizing hardworking, disciplined people who make prudent financial decisions (the rich and soon to be rich)

Posted by: dude | September 5, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

It's my money and I want to keep most of it. We got along just fine without an income tax. We can do it again. It may be simple, but it is not anti-intellectual. these pseudointellectual elites rationalizing why it is good for me to rob me of my hard earned money is snobbery. It's for my own good you know, if I would just listen to reason! But I'm clearly stupid if I don't agree with them.

Posted by: Dude | September 5, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I know that historical analogies are of limited value, but perhaps McCain and his campaign is taking more than a page from Richard Nixon's 1968 campaign. Don't forget that Nixon named as his running mate in 1968 a man (i.e., Spiro Agnew) whose entire political experience was surprisingly similar to Sarah Palin's : a mere 18 months as the governor of Maryland and four years as a Baltimore County executive. And during the 68 campaign, Nixon take the high road (remember the slogan "He will bring us together" ?), just as McCain is now doing, while Agnew, like Palin, was an ultra-partisan pit bull who went for the jugular.

Posted by: Mark | September 5, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

It's the usual rightist schtick: hugging the flag, gun-addled, obsessed with their little bags of money and incessantly sounding the alarm about the impending invasion of euro-style "socialism," as if these boobs even know the meaning of the word. Then there's the smoldering dung-heap that's the legacy of the Bush years. Time to put these Republicans in a box before they try to take us back to the 19th century again.

Posted by: Innocent Bystander | September 5, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

You know something. God created gay sex. So its not a sin. You should read your bible more carefully. Jesus said he whom is without sin cast the first stone. So when you castigate the shellfish as also outline in same passage of bible then you can talk.

In the meantime. DO NOT CONDEMN AND JUDGE. BY DOING SO YOU ARE GOING AGAINST THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS

Posted by: Scott | September 5, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

How dare you Judge. Jesus said judge not. Condemning gay sex as a sin is a judgement call.

The same arguments were used to justify slavery too.

But then I suppose you have gone a long way from Lincoln Days

Posted by: Scott | September 5, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

euro-style socialism. Hmmmmm wonder what Margaret Thatcher thought of that. Remember the group UB40 and the Series of "The Young Ones". They UK centric things. Both result of government handouts to the unemployed. That is how the Repbulicans would describe it.

Result half the crime rate of the United States

Posted by: Scott | September 5, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

This was the richest, whitest Republican convention in recent times. And these narrow-minded shills for the wealthy, powerful and entrenched have the audacity to call anyone "elitist". These are the true entrenched, insider hacks for the true elitists: the ones that wouldn't give an average American working person the time of day.

Posted by: Garrett | September 5, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm the Elite are supported by rich corporations. So lets see whom is elitist. Ban Corporate donations tomorrow.

Posted by: Scott | September 5, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Sneering at the Educated. How enlightened.
This in an era of greatest information revolution. The essential tool needed to cope? Education.

Leaders around the world are pouring government money into education. This means that the USA will end up the poor white trash of AmeriKa

Posted by: Scott | September 5, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse


What I saw watching McCain last night was a tragic hero, a man who had sold himself to George Bush and knew it.

How McCain remained Republican after the tactics Bush used against him in the primaries is beyond me. I like McCain personally, but he's a broken man. Had he switched parties or called out Bush on his domestic policies 8 years ago he could have shaken things up--he would have been a maverick. But he wasn't true to himself.

I've always felt the photo of Bush looking distantly down on Katrina victims said it all. And where was McCain? Too scared to confront his fellow Republican, his Republican power master.

How McCain must loathe Bush for allowing Bush to break his spirit, to do what even those who tortured him for years couldn't.

Posted by: Annie | September 5, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

THIS HAS TURNED INTO A COUNTRY OF GENDER BIGOTED IDIOTS. WHERE WERE YOU WHEN WOMEN FOUGHT TO BE EQUAL TO MEN IN THE MILITARY. IF SARAH PALIN BUGS YOU SO BAD, WHY DID YOU AGREE TO LET WOMEN GO TO WAR?? THOSE WOMEN ALSO HAVE CHILDREN. OR IS IT OKAY THAT THEY ARE MILITARY BECAUSE THEY AREN'T ON TV EVERYDAY TELLING YOU THAT THEY LEAVE THEIR CHILDREN FOR MONTHS AT A TIME. YOU LIBERAL TWO FACED NIT WITS MAKE ME SICK. I AM SMALL TOWN USA AND I LOVE WHAT I SEE. JOHN MCCAIN/SARAH PALIN

How about Equal Rights campaign for women from Republicans.
Equal Pay. Put your money where your mouth is.

Posted by: Scott | September 5, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

The state of New South Wales (capital city Sydney) has a new Premier. His two promises so far : Restore confidence of the public in government, and stop spin.

Posted by: Scott | September 5, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

As an undecided voter and after two conventions, I found the differences between B. Hussain Obama and John S. McCain and their family are so striking in presidential character, sacrifice and leadership. I was so moved by John McCain's charater and personal quality. John McCain is the man for the President!

It would be a tragedy if American people turn to Obama for leadership on November 4, 2008.

Posted by: Joseph | September 6, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

The selection rules were changed to allow Obama to become President of the Harvard Law review. Were they also changed to allow him into Columbia? Without the change of rules to meet quotas would we even be talking about Obama? Maybe the leftist elite believe that the rules once again should be changed so that the quota for President can be met.

Posted by: N. B. Forrest | September 6, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Meyerson,
Could you please back up your statements with some concrete evidence? We seem to have been watching two entirely different conventions.

Thanks

Posted by: Christie | September 8, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a blatant liar and it's amazing that it doesn't seem to matter to many in this country. The USA is really getting good at electing people with no policies to stand on -- what does lipstick have to do with being a good leader?

Posted by: mom of 2 | September 9, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

There are 2 nations. One is where an affair is a resume enhancement and the other where the "party of tolerence" criticizes because that person is not a socialist.
Instead of name calling to get your messiah elected, why not post and compare his accomplishments that qualify him to be president? Don't have any? Guess you only have to have accomplishments if you are not a socialist.
History repeats itself... The Republicans passed the civil right legislation (look it up) and the Dems take credit for it. The Dems want a "minority" in the whitehouse, probably to ease their guilt. The Republicans will be the ones to put a woman in charge.
People before party.... Someday you will learn.

Posted by: Mike | September 11, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

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