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The Final Debate: McCain Stock Plunges Further

The narrative arc of the final presidential debate did not work in John McCain’s favor. It was a line similar to the one traced by the Dow Jones Industrial Average in today’s trading session.

McCain started quite well, getting off the most memorable line of the evening -- that if Barack Obama had wanted to run against George Bush, he should have run four years ago. From there, I thought, things went downhill for him.

The big question leading up to tonight was whether McCain would swing for the fences, bringing up William Ayers and all the rest of the innuendo that his campaign has been spreading about Barack Obama, or whether he would forget all that and stick to the issues. The polls have been unambiguous in reporting that when McCain goes negative in these debates, he turns off independent voters. And on a day when the Dow spiraled down another 733 points, clearly people were in the mood to hear what these guys propose to do to rescue the economy.

But McCain is trailing, and he has been known to frequent establishments where gambling is permitted. He got into a rhythm of raising some doubt about Obama’s integrity in every response, and to do so he had to introduce themes and issues that I believe most voters considered distractions. The Ayers stuff -- which, truth be told, Obama basically goaded him into bringing up -- sounded like a personal attack based on events that happened when Obama was 8. McCain’s mention of ACORN was surely met with blank stares in living rooms across the land. And when he accused Obama of fomenting “class warfare,” I wondered if I had slipped through some kind of time warp.

McCain’s accusation grew from something Obama had said to, yes, Joe the Plumber about “spreading the wealth.” Americans may be ambivalent about that idea, but may be more likely to support it at a time when retirement savings are evaporating like the morning dew -- and when the government has just spent $700 billion of taxpayers’ money to clean up the mess made by a bunch of greed-stoked millionaires.

Voters heard Democratic Party ideas juxtaposed against Republican Party ideas. That, more than grouchiness or demeanor, is what worked against John McCain and led respondents in the network instant polls to overwhelmingly favor Obama.

By Eugene Robinson  | October 16, 2008; 12:03 AM ET
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Comments

I concur, McCain was prickly, peevish and whiny. It is particularly unseemly to see 72 year old to act like unbalanced teenager. Obama's maturity far exceeds his.

Posted by: tydicea | October 16, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

I watched all three debates, and I'm surprised that hardly anyone noticed how awkwardly nervous and desperate McCain appeared tonight. True, some of his incessant blinking could be attributed to the bright stage lights, but it was so constant -- and only when he was talking -- that it was obviously a nervous tick of sorts, which is a good indicator that the speaker isn't being candid or honest.

At least he managed to look at Obama a few times this go-around -- it helped that their chairs were angled toward each other -- but even so, each quick glance was patronizing and scoffing -- a marked difference to Obama's nods and sincere demeanor. Even though McCain avoided refering to Obama as "that one", he couldn't manage the cordiality to refer to Obama by name in his closing statement. On the one hand, McCain almost was in tears telling his story about allegedly being labeled intolerant by one of his Senate colleagues, yet his actions and his words belie some disturbing traits and an ugly attitude.

I'm really tired of all the deference (excuses) McCain has been accorded because of his POW past, especially by the press. If the tables were turned and Obama exhibited half of "that one's" queer mannerisms and offensive quirks, the media would be having a field day.

Posted by: honest_news | October 16, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Your wrong Eugene. Neither of these candidates can be linked their party's addiction to spending.

Congressional Democrats and Republicans have for decades pushed their addiction to spending onto the American people.

Congress created the art of dishonest accounting, legislated lower credit standards and hamstrung regulatory enforcement in order to stimulate consumer borrowing/spending in order to produce the economic expansion necessary to generate tax revenues that Congress needed to feed its addiction.

Congressional actions and inaction brought about the current sub-prime mortgage wealth meltdown and the dot-com securities wealth meltdown of the late 1990's.

And the next wealth meltdown . . . the looming Medicare and Social Security default, is also the fault of Congressional actions and inaction.

Both the Roaring Twenties decade that preceded the Great Depression and the Irrational Nineties decade were golden ages for technology, scandal-plagued politicians, corporate greed, and unrestrained debt and speculation.

America cannot maintain a strong defense without a strong economy and a strong economy can only be maintained by a fiscally honest government that acts as a referee and not as a competitor in a reciprocal, free-and-open marketplace.

Posted by: jonura_smith | October 16, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Am I theonly person who heard Mc cain claim that obama voted against breyer for the Supreme Court. Obama wasnt in the senate so I dont understand how he could have voted on the nomination. Did Mc Cain lose 10 years?

Posted by: scott68543 | October 16, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

In effect...

McCain: Senator Obama, I know President Bush. President Bush is a friend of mine. Senator, I'm no President Bush.

Posted by: djb9 | October 16, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

President Obama wins it handily even after taking rude & irrelevent comments.

Posted by: daviddan | October 16, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

McSame was desperate, angry, and uncomfortable. McSame made a little distance between himself and Bush, but lost it when he went back to attacking Obama.

Coincidentally, right after the debate, another negative McSame ad was shown.

Posted by: camera_eye_11 | October 16, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Interesting analogy in the headline, as McCain's stock really is (literally) plunging at the political futures trading site, intrade.com. He's down to 16% probability to win the election, and falling.

Posted by: B2O2 | October 16, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Two things about McCain that particularly struck me. One were his references to autism whenever he spoke about Palin. It was obvious that McCain was unaware that Palin's child, Trig, has Down's Syndrome, not autism. This was not a slip of the tongue, as McCain mentioned "autism" in relation to Palin several times. It made McCain look confused and out of touch. Another was McCain's creepy grimace, especially apparent in the latter part of the debate. I don't know if that is McCain's normal smile, but it looked like something out of a horror movie to me.

Posted by: AndyfromVA | October 16, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

McCain probably had his best "performance" of all in tonight's debate.

But I wonder about the movement his left hand (on your right as you view it). The extended thumb amplified the appearance of an uncontrollable shaking movement - minor - but noticeable.

Do any medical professionals see that as essential tremors or as a symptom of a more serious diagnosis?

Posted by: RepublicanVNEraVet | October 16, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

McCain is a nasty old man.

McNasty

Posted by: bartedson | October 16, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Retarded Obama lost cause he is the muslim communist with communist agenda for this great country>Would we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?U liberals going to lose take my word

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Wanna bet?

Posted by: AndyfromVA | October 16, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

McCain got flogged today. His performance was a game changer but not for him.

Posted by: ramsistla | October 16, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with the criminal REZKO.No wonder considering his Chicago mob connections.Do we need the criminal in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone notice something interesting in tonight's debate? No one has picked up on it or has said anything about it yet.

Barack "Supposedly Unpatriotic" Obama was wearing a flag pin.

John "Country First" McCain was NOT.

Um. Wasn't it the McCain campaign who launched all sorts of bitter attacks on Obama for not wearing the flag pin?? Seems like a TERRIBLE OVERSIGHT or perhaps POOR LEADERSHIP on the part of John McCain to take not even 30 seconds before the debate to show his "Country First" Patriotic Pride by putting a simple flag pin on his lapel.

I guess John McCain doesn't think his actions speak louder than his words these days.

Posted by: radiocboy | October 16, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Lamobama lost big time.Go McCain!!!

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

I think FoxNews is in the tank for Obama. They said he won the debate. Those liberal, commy, pinko, socialist, far-left, bleading heart, did I mention liberal, MSM stations.

Everyone knows that McCain won but FoxNews is obviously in the tank for Obama.

Oh....Yeah.... That's Fox (aka Faux) News... McCain must be sunk now.

Posted by: DougH1 | October 16, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone notice something interesting in tonight's debate? Obama acted like retarded kindergarten kid

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Robinson, you are just too biased in favor of Obama. This was McCain's best performance. He kept Obama on defensive. Obama was cool and calm and his answer to McCain offense was a goofy smile. He needs to watch out as there are still 20 days for the election and if does not reply to McCain's offense he may be stuck with McCain's portrayal.

Posted by: krishna5002 | October 16, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

FoxNews said:McCain won 89% to 11%.Even liberal scumbags CNN sai McCain won 65% to 30% over Obama

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Wow, kudos to McCain for bringing up Joe the plumber and leading me to go watch the video. I thought Obama was so obviously respectful, intelligent, and knowledgeable in his conversation with this man. He took the time to clearly describe his policies, even to someone who he knew wasn't an ardent supporter. He clearly explained all the reasons for his decisions, and they made good sense. He showed himself to be thoughtful, engaged, caring, and involved in the life of this man and of all the others, the waitress he mentioned, and blue collar people everywhere. This was an impromptu meeting that Obama handled with grace and intelligence and feeling. We should all feel better knowing Obama is in the White House.

Posted by: katharinestavrinou | October 16, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Retarded Obama lost cause he is the muslim communist with communist agenda for this great country>Would we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?U liberals going to lose take my word

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Did I hear it right in tonight's debate -- McCain referred to the Goldwater-Kennedy debate???

I distinctly remember Nixon debating Kennedy, and later Johnson defeating Goldwater in 1964...I wasn't nearly as old as McCain was at the time, of course.

Posted by: jzb123 | October 16, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Not that Eugene Robinson, the one that laid down two bits for hookers before the Super Bowl. Slightly more obtuse in thought and rhyme.

You certainly can tackle your roots. Oh how the man sings when carjacking the coattails of a magic hoopty.

Affirmative Action Jackson, associate editor of the pitiless pit. Always a sophomore, never a talent.

Posted by: deemann | October 16, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

More crapola coming from another liberal media source trashing journalistic ethics and jumping in bed with Obama.

Obama will not win!
Americans will not let an empty suit with a host of unsavory friends and a worthless Democrat congress who trashed the Federal Mortgage program and stuck us with the horrendous bill, take over the government. Americans don't want to be taxed into oblivion and have his no practical energy policy inflicted on us.
The empty suit along with this worthless congress will kill the economy and hurt ALL Americans. Obama is a cheap veneer on particle board...that's what you do when you want to cover up crapola.
Yes even with the worthless media in bed with Obama giving him 24/7 info commercials, when the time comes Americans will wake up and protect America.

Posted by: ekim53 | October 16, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

Obama was mumbling like the sewer drunken bum.What a loser!

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

Did I hear it right in tonight's debate -- McCain referred to the Goldwater-Kennedy debate???

I distinctly remember Nixon debating Kennedy, and later Johnson defeating Goldwater in 1964...I wasn't nearly as old as McCain was at the time, of course.

Posted by: jzb123 | October 16, 2008 1:14 AM
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McCain stated they would have debated. One was dead, it died also.

Posted by: deemann | October 16, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with the criminal REZKO.No wonder considering his Chicago mob connections.Do we need the criminal in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

pro36 --

That was a poll of Faux News watchers; we know they are some of the most ignorant one-sided people in America. Sarah Palin was ashamed to say Faux News was all she listened to in shaping her world view (she reads everything, translation, nothing).

Their independent polls went for Obama.

Posted by: DougH1 | October 16, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Their liberal trolls went for Obama.

Posted by: deemann | October 16, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

There were a number of times tonight that Senator John McCain was actually sputtering, like an overheated tea kettle. The senator seemed so angry at times one had to wonder if he has lost all sense of self-control. I rather doubt that this was the game-changer that McCain was seeking.

Posted by: robinlandseadel | October 16, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

McCain cannot control his own face.
How can he run a nation.

Posted by: T-Prop | October 16, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Dont matter any liberal low lie.All polls say McCain won the debate 89% to 11%

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Here's what is at the bottom of the McCain webpage, a disclaimer: Military Images and Information Do Not Imply Endorsement by DoD or Service Branch

Remember the Democratic acceptance speech at Mile High Stadium? That day, 30+ generals stood on the podium to endorse Obama. Obama doesn't beat his family values, military support or primo educational experience into his ads. He just lives his principles. A great example! Obama/Biden '08!!

Posted by: rjbunny | October 16, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

McCain's campaign has been traveling in all directions except the right one.

His biggest mistake which he might never admit to, is selecting Sarah Palin as his running mate... combine that with his attack strategy and these are the results.

The American people has had enough of BUSH and his strategies... McCain had a chance.. sadly he took the low road.


Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 16, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Robinson:

As usual...you are like all the other so called reporters. You are a direct reason that the United States will be WORSE off than we currently are.. here are some statistics for an nice article ON THE COST OF OBAMA'S PLANS.


The specific tax changes Obama has laid out are:
- Increase the top individual tax rate from 35 percent to 39.6 percent.
- Raise the capital gains tax rate from 15 percent to 28 percent.
- Increase the stock dividends (tax?) rate from 15 percent to 39.6 percent.
- Impose a 20-percent surtax on all incomes above $250,000 per year.
- Raise the death tax rate to 55 percent for any income past the first $1million exemption.
- Raise social security taxes by 4 percent for individuals, businesses or anyone who makes at least $250,000 per year.
- Increase the top rate from 37.9 percent to 54.9 percent for self-employed tax payers (who already pay ordinary income taxes as well as self-employment taxes).
- Increase the tax rate on Subchapter S corporations (small businesses) by up to 15.3 percent (from a top rate of 35 percent to 50.3 percent).

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5590

Posted by: miller51550 | October 16, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Obama cannot control his kids and wife.
How can he run a nation.

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

pro36, you still believe in "duck and cover" don't you?

Posted by: broknbuddha | October 16, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

pro36 --

You wish... They both bought two separate plots of land next door to each other. Rezko then sold Obama 1/10 of the land he bought for 1/10 of the price he bought it for. Obama was investigated along with the Governor of Illinois and was found to be clean of any wrong-doing in this.

When you can't buy real estate at a market price without breaking the law you must not be in America. You must be in some communist country where you aren't allowed to own land.

Posted by: DougH1 | October 16, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Obama, insipid, spread like herpes on the face of a nation. The Magic Negro, scolded by his own. Two headed snake, headed to the polls. Heads on poles, like forlorn trees. Acorn anyone?

Posted by: deemann | October 16, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Eugene you are so partisan!

But that's OK because I think you are absolutely correct. Obama won easily. He looked calm and presidential. McCain showed himself to be exactly what he is - irritable, contentious, and shortsighted.

http://mentalshift.newsvine.com/

Posted by: diodisegno | October 16, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Obama's campaign has been traveling in all directions except the right one.

His biggest mistake which he might never admit to, is selecting Biden as his running mate... combine that with his attack strategy and these are the results.

The American people has had enough of Liberal congress and their strategies... Obama had a chance.. sadly he took the low road.

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

McCain lost it for me: his attempts to goad Obama failed and made him appear petty, vindictive and desperate. Obama has the style, intelligence and class worthy of a president. McCain was just a yappy puppy trying to sound big and get attention.

Posted by: canoer | October 16, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

pro36, you sound like the same desperate chump McLame is. Do yourself a favor; don't go away mad, just go away.

Posted by: joesixpack4obama | October 16, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

Wow, I was waiting breathlessly to read Eugene's analysis of the debate, wondering who he thought came out on top.

Apparently, he has given the nod to Mr. Obama. Thank you, Eugene, for your thoughtful, nuanced analysis. If memory serves me correctly, this is consistent with a viewpoint Mr. Robinson has expressed once or twice in the past.

Posted by: jd5024 | October 16, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

Nothing new from McCain. His demeanor and facial expressions in tonights debate said it all. He looked condescending, angry and excitable. His statement that Palin is well equipped to become President should it become necessary is absolutely ridiculous.. McCain tries to pass himself off as putting the Country first. Then why would he put the Country in jeopardy by picking this obviously non qualified person as his VP running mate?

Posted by: openminded1 | October 16, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

joesixpack4obama , you sound like the same desperate chump Lamobama is. Do yourself a favor; go screwurself and the horse u ride in on.

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

It is at least consolation to know that liberals will abort themselves out of existence. You reap what you sow. Piles of rotting liberals.

Posted by: deemann | October 16, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

pro36 --

Keep throwing the mud. Maybe something will stick.

KEEP HOPE ALIVE, KEEP HOPE ALIVE...

McCain can still win if Karl Rove can hypnotize all of America on election day and plant the suggestion in their minds "Vote for the old guy!"

It could happen...

Posted by: DougH1 | October 16, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

deemann, you bigot. You are a disgrace to decent, law abiding, middle-class white America. You might as well be wearing a robe and hood.

Posted by: joesixpack4obama | October 16, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

McCain won easily. He looked calm and presidential. Obama showed himself to be exactly what he is - irritable, contentious, slow,and shortsighted.

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

pro36-

If you are trying to post as many times as McCain blinked or snorted during the debate you are going to be up all night.

Sorry buddy, McCain lost.


mentalshift

Posted by: diodisegno | October 16, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse



Favorite part: McCain says he doesn't believe in judicial litmus tests...then says no qualified judge would support abortion rights.

Posted by: CuckooRaja | October 16, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse

Wow, I was waiting breathlessly to read Eugene's analysis of the debate, wondering who he thought came out on top.

Apparently, he has given the nod to Mr. Obama. Thank you, Eugene, for your thoughtful, nuanced analysis. If memory serves me correctly, this is consistent with a viewpoint Mr. Robinson has expressed once or twice in the past.

Posted by: jd5024 | October 16, 2008 1:26 AM
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Just say it. Everyone knows it.

Eugene = Black
Obama = some lugubrious shade of Black

Opinion = hole

Posted by: deemann | October 16, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse

joesixpack4obama dont be show to everybody that u r the idiot.Go away and u will look lil bit smarter

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:33 AM | Report abuse

pro 36. shouldn't you're parents have tucked you up in bed by now, I say that because your grammar and spelling tell me you are around 7 years old

Either that or your to stupid to be a bigot, with an IQ of one more you could have been a rabbit

Posted by: totallyclips | October 16, 2008 1:33 AM | Report abuse

WOW. pro36. You are so very clever. How's that working out for you, being clever??

In a town full of village idiots, you'd be mayor.

Posted by: joesixpack4obama | October 16, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

deemann, you bigot. You are a disgrace to decent, law abiding, middle-class white America. You might as well be wearing a robe and hood.
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Hello Pot I am kettle. Troll away, troll away.

Posted by: deemann | October 16, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

diodisegno I'm not ur body or any stinking liberal for that matter.McCain won!!!!Obama was like retarded kindergarten kid.

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

deemann --

deemann = White

McCain = pale

deemann = in the tank for McCain, lost all objectivity

Oh yeah... I forgot... He's also a moron like our President for whom he probably voted for twice... Case closed.


Posted by: DougH1 | October 16, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

joesixpack4obama u r pity lil idiot.I dont care.So...kiss my a.s and go to hell

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:38 AM | Report abuse

pro36-

Why do you hate kindergartners?


http://mentalshift.newsvine.com/

Posted by: diodisegno | October 16, 2008 1:38 AM | Report abuse

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with the criminal REZKO.No wonder considering his Chicago mob connections.Do we need the criminal in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

pro36 - You're a class act. Using terms like retarded? Do yourself a favor, go back and FINISH HIGH SCHOOL, or at the least, get your GED. Afterword, try some College and invest in a dictionary while you are at it.

Posted by: joesixpack4obama | October 16, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

McCain makes a lot of promises but doesn't seem to think it is important to explain how he can freeze spending and come up with new programs.

http://mentalshift.newsvine.com/

Posted by: diodisegno | October 16, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

I love kindergartners.Obama was sounded like RETARDED kindergarten

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

deemann --

deemann = White

McCain = pale

deemann = in the tank for McCain, lost all objectivity

Oh yeah... I forgot... He's also a moron like our President for whom he probably voted for twice... Case closed.
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Tasty copypasta, thank you. I feel flattered. Although I cannot lose objectivity if I don't possess it. I am Eugene, only brighter and lithe.

Posted by: deemann | October 16, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

Deemann. I am white, you dork. And you? You're a disgrace. Enough said. You are done.

Posted by: joesixpack4obama | October 16, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

joesixpack4obama u r more retarded than I thought..well same like ur scumbag Obama

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

joesixpack4obama I know u are white and the idiot

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Retarded Obama lost cause he is the muslim communist with communist agenda for this great country>Would we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?U liberals going to lose take my word

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:44 AM | Report abuse


Acts 13 V. 25:

And as John fulfilled his course, he said, Whom think ye that I am? I am not he. But, behold, there cometh one after me whose shoes of his feet I am not worthy to loose.

McCain or Obama in the current context?

We don't even need a fact checker here. The expression that appeared again and again on McCain's face during this final debate said only one thing. And we choose to quote from Obama's mother here, namely, 'look buster, this is no picnic for me either!'

ONLY MCCAIN HAS SO SERVED HIS MASTER THRUOUT HIS LIFE, HEREIN, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA -- ONE COUNTRY, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

MCCAIN FOR OUR GREAT NATION'S NEXT PRESIDENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: brucerealtor@gmail.com | October 16, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Pro36, I am sorry I told you to finish high school or get a GED or go to college or invest in a dictionary. What I meant to say was, have your mommy and daddy buy you a speak and spell.

Posted by: joesixpack4obama | October 16, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Deemann, thanks Mr. Mayor.

Posted by: joesixpack4obama | October 16, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

oh, and pro36? Have them buy your big brother Deemann one too.

Posted by: joesixpack4obama | October 16, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

joesixpack4obama u hurt me realy bad,but I think Im going to live.Bottom line-McCain won big time!!!!!!

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with the criminal REZKO.No wonder considering his Chicago mob connections.Do we need the criminal in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

joesixpack4obama go to bed retard .Its kinda late

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

Pensive blog owners. Every starved beast wants a ration of validation, but only on their terms. Frightened harlequin, no raison'd'etre. It seems the seams need sewing Eugene.

Posted by: deemann | October 16, 2008 1:52 AM | Report abuse

pro36?? Why don't you just say what you are thinking. You're just afraid Obama will somehow make the White House a little less White. You poor little man. You parents didn't get you a speak and spell, but they did a great job supplying you with all of the Cue Cards you are posting. =)

You've been playing tic-tac-toe tonight, and losing to yourself.

Posted by: joesixpack4obama | October 16, 2008 1:55 AM | Report abuse

McCain brought up Bill Ayers tonight; Obama responded. Later, Obama mentioned people at McCain-Palin rallies who yelled things like "terrorist" and "kill him;" McCain dismissed these people as a "fringe" and said he did not stand for that, or for some of the things being done by Obama-Biden supporters. At that point, Obama missed a fantastic opportunity to thank John McCain for his performance at the Lakeville, Minnesota town hall meeting on October 10.

At that McCain-Palin event, McCain's own supporters booed McCain on four separate occasions as McCain tried to undo some of the dangerous xenophobic emotions displayed by attendees.

“I can’t trust Obama,” an elderly woman tells McCain, “I have heard about him . . . He’s an Arab.” As John McCain vigorously shakes his head no, and takes the mike away from her, the woman asks in a bewildered tone, “He’s not?”

“No, ma’am,” John McCain says, “He’s a decent family man, citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues, and that’s what this campaign’s all about.”

A guy in a baseball cap tells McCain, “We’re scared. We’re scared of an Obama presidency.” John McCain answers, “I have to tell you, he is a decent person, and a person you do not have to be scared (of) as the president of the United States.” McCain’s own supporters boo him again.

Meanwhile Rick Davis downplayed the danger of Palin's rhetoric that Obama "pals around with terrorists," and claimed that the campaign did not know who these people were. Obviously, Mr. Davis does not watch YouTube.

Check out the YouTube videos filmed at Strongville, Ohio and Bethlehem, PA. You will see hundreds of McCain-Palin supporters waiting in line to enter events, and expressing their beliefs to the pro-Obama amateur cameramen. These normal, everyday folk think Barack Obama is an Arab Muslim Terrorist. So much for a few people on the fringe.

John McCain knows that Palin and his negative campaign ads have crossed a line. Why else would he stand up to repeated boos at his own town hall meeting? McCain was trying to force a reality check on supporters who have been pushed too far by Palin and right-wing commentators and Republican attack ads that portray Obama as a man who is dangerous to our very country.

In the debate, Obama should have thanked McCain for finally telling Palin to stop inciting people to violence, and thanked McCain for finally confirming to his right-wing base that Obama is "a decent family man" and "a person you do not have to be scared (of) as president of the United States.


Posted by: gingersnap1951 | October 16, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

pro36, you wouldn't know what time it is if you were forced to wear an analog watch.

Posted by: joesixpack4obama | October 16, 2008 2:00 AM | Report abuse

why the long pause pro36, are you googling the word 'analog'??

Posted by: joesixpack4obama | October 16, 2008 2:03 AM | Report abuse

Great synopsis Eugene...but here's what I think:

McCain is hard pressed to put together a crafty and effective ad campaign in order to improve his numbers by Nov 4. Obama rebutted his toughest claim yet- that he and Ayers are friends. Without that line of attack- where does McCain go from here? He is out of plans-- all I can predict is this will get more creatively brutal.

But..that's politics. Obama/ Biden '08

Posted by: garfield4 | October 16, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

Well said Garfield.

Posted by: joesixpack4obama | October 16, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

Yes Eugene, we know you are for Obama.

Finally, finally, McCain hit him on Ayers. McCain says "Senator Obama launched his political career in Bill Ayers' living room". Obama interrupts with "that is not true".

So what is NOT TRUE? Obama intimates that what is NOT TRUE is that Bill Ayers "helped launch" Obama's political career in Chicago, in Illinois as Senator McCain is saying. What McCain is saying is Bill Ayers supported Obama politically...raised money for his candidacy, introduced him to powerful figures who could help him.

What Obama is "saying" when he talks over McCain with "that's not true" we're told later is ...Obama officially "launched" his political career in a room in a Ramada Inn.

Do you see why I have a problem with this Obama? He is a smarmy liar. He should NOT be President. And although Obama frequently compares McCain to "W", it is Obama who is most like him.

Remember when "W" kept saying his "rebate" to the American people "averaged" 2000 dollars. Making it sound like, everyone gets 2000 dollars. When in fact some get over 100,000 dollars and many, many more get NOTHING.

So unless we say NO Obama, we will be getting essentially a third Bush term. Another liar to the American people.

No Obama in November, yes Hillary 2012.

Posted by: celested9 | October 16, 2008 2:17 AM | Report abuse

Until McCain repudiates Bush and everything Bush stands for, McCain is Bush.

Posted by: MorganaLeFay | October 16, 2008 2:21 AM | Report abuse

Who cares finally white people will pay!!!!
Go get them Obama!!!!!!

Posted by: jsdhjfh | October 16, 2008 2:21 AM | Report abuse

Wow Celeste, spoken like a true Repub.

FEAR! FEAR! FEAR!

I'm thinkin' that's not going to work this time.

Find a new tool.

Oh, I know... How about a Hatchet?

Posted by: joesixpack4obama | October 16, 2008 2:24 AM | Report abuse

Who cares finally white people will pay!!!!
Go get them Obama!!!!!!

Posted by: jsdhjfh

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You know what? I think you should copy and paste this on every blog, every day until November 4th.

Ya.....do that...

Posted by: celested9 | October 16, 2008 2:26 AM | Report abuse

jsdhjfh - is that you pro36/deemann ?? Nice disguise. Is that the one you are using to trick or treat in?

Posted by: joesixpack4obama | October 16, 2008 2:27 AM | Report abuse


To Pro 36: A simple question my friend, what size white hood do you wear????

Posted by: Billy7 | October 16, 2008 2:28 AM | Report abuse

I have seen two reports that the infamous Joe isn't registered to vote in Ohio. Would some of the journalists out there care to confirm this?

Posted by: rjnerd | October 16, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

Wow Celeste, spoken like a true Repub.

FEAR! FEAR! FEAR!

_________________________________________________

Dear Joe.....Yes, I fear that we are getting yet another serial liar in the White House.

You betcha!!

I one of many, many Democrats who distrust Obama.

There are many, many of me.

Posted by: celested9 | October 16, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

Celeste, ignorance has no color. Just ignore jsdhjfh.

Posted by: joesixpack4obama | October 16, 2008 2:31 AM | Report abuse

Nice you betcha, all you're missing is the wink, Sarah.

Posted by: joesixpack4obama | October 16, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

Pro36- you are one sick puppy.

Posted by: bek-CA | October 16, 2008 2:40 AM | Report abuse

Wow. I was eight when Ayers committed those heinous acts too. I guess that makes me a terrorist as well.

Posted by: joesixpack4obama | October 16, 2008 2:40 AM | Report abuse

radiocboy

Good eye "my friend".

McCain has not been wearing any flag pin for some time now. I didn't see one worn in the second debate and he has not worn one in any of the campaign stop pictures I have seen over the last couple of weeks. Interesting ain't it.

I guess the Republicans think you don't need to wear one if you've got country tattooed over your forehead, they only need to question "that one" about not wearing one.

bcause

Posted by: bcause | October 16, 2008 2:44 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Robinson, I hope you analysis of the final debate is correct. It would lift my spirits if you're right, but I think McCain seemed assertive, decisive, fervent, while Obama seem impassive and strangely unengaged.

Joining McCain in making Plumber Joe a centerpiece was naive, as it clearly would permit Joe's estimate of the evenning to dominate the postmortems of the next news cycles. Had he no idea that Joe might well have been co-opted by the oposition? Woud McCain have brought him up without at least touching base with him?

Further, when McCain challenged Obama to cite some opposition to Democratic party leaders, Obama wisely could have pointed out that if the Democrats had started two ill-conceived wars, instituted waterboarding, suppressed scientific studies of global warming, and wrecked the economy, then hebwould have had as much reason to oppose his party as McCain had to oppose his fellow Republicans.

Instead, Obama actually listed some breaks with fellow Dems, as though the two parties were equally misdirected. I am for Obama because McCain is not the man he was in 2000 and because Palin is unacceptable. Still, his debate performance highlighted my reservations about him. I hope, as you suggest, he was only being cool, hoping to show McCain.


Posted by: CodeVoyager | October 16, 2008 2:47 AM | Report abuse

Well, now, I commented last week that the winner according to the media would be Obama. How smart I am!!!! There is no way on this great earth that the liberal media would have picked McCain to win this debate, even if God himself came down from heaven and proclained McCain the winner. The liberal media would have have ran an article titled "God is finally wrong". The media is destroying the american way of life....freedom of the press and unbias news, not news that attempts to brainwash. This election will be decided by the media and money.

Posted by: love234america | October 16, 2008 2:52 AM | Report abuse

John McCain, like all Republicans since Ronald Reagan, has learned to operate entirely according to the basic law: lie often, lie well, lie about your lies, and when called on it, call your opponent a liar about the very issues about which you're lying yourself. If confronted about the nastiness of your campaign, claim your opponent''s campaign is nasty, and claim that he's insulting your loyal fans who come to your outrageous rallies to shout the nastiness your own campaign ads have inspired--and act outraged yourself--though your opponent said nothing to insult your loyal fans except to point out that they're shouting he be killed! Confronted with your plan to keep on giving totally insupportable tax breaks to the wealthiest people and the biggest corporations, keep claiming that HE'S the one who'll be raising everyone's taxes, despite his plan to cut taxes for everyone who's not rich. When your opponent correctly points out that you've been running on a platform of deregulation for more than twenty-five years, claim that HE'S the one whose party caused the economic disaster by favoring irresponsible deregulation. When in doubt, claim that he's a Tax and Spend Liberal (and that Jesus doesn't love him?). The lies are worn out. Reagonomics has finally driven a stake into its own fat heart. Time for Bush to pack, Karl Rove to shut up, and the Republicans who have been running things so badly for so long to join the dust heap of history--to keep company with the dinosaurs they wanted to convince us weren't killed off by the inevitable processes of evolution, since evolution never happened. Finis. The cowboys have shot themselves in both feet and are hobbling away.

Posted by: lakotadee | October 16, 2008 2:54 AM | Report abuse

The Obama jerks on really on tonight. While you all are finding fault with McCain, Obama said the auto industry was started in the U.S. WRONG..... Look it up.

Posted by: love234america | October 16, 2008 2:55 AM | Report abuse

lakotadee you are dead on!

love234america, sorry... just brain dead.

Posted by: joesixpack4obama | October 16, 2008 3:03 AM | Report abuse

Take note: Posters like pro36 are the kind of people that support McCain.

The ignorant, uneducated and moronic are not what we want dictating American policy.

Posted by: owlafaye | October 16, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

The Obama jerks on really on tonight. While you all are finding fault with McCain, Obama said the auto industry was started in the U.S. WRONG..... Look it up.

Posted by: love234america | October 16, 2008 2:55 AM

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Why don't you tell us where it was started if you're so smart. I always thought FORD started the auto industry.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 16, 2008 3:23 AM | Report abuse

The republican party is a joke. How on earth could Gore and Kerry ever lose to such a dimwitted bunch of clowns?

1st dubya, and now McLaim.
I bet you GOP robots are dumb enough to try running Palin in 2012.
Sadly, the dems are so useless that she will probably win

Posted by: torro67 | October 16, 2008 3:25 AM | Report abuse

Pro36- you are one sick puppy.

Posted by: bek-CA | October 16, 2008 2:40 AM

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I think Pro-36 is smoking to much crack.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 16, 2008 3:34 AM | Report abuse

The republican party is a joke. How on earth could Gore and Kerry ever lose to such a dimwitted bunch of clowns?

1st dubya, and now McLaim.
I bet you GOP robots are dumb enough to try running Palin in 2012.
Sadly, the dems are so useless that she will probably win

Posted by: torro67 | October 16, 2008 3:25 AM

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Bush robbed those elections. Their trying to rob this one to.


Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 16, 2008 3:42 AM | Report abuse

Yes, McCain said Breyer when he probably meant to say Alito.

Posted by: CalebMurdock | October 16, 2008 4:00 AM | Report abuse

McCain's stock is about to be de-listed.

Posted by: DuttonPeabody | October 16, 2008 4:01 AM | Report abuse

Except that Obama did not buy any house from Tony Rezko. What on earth is wrong with tiny minds that believe the propoganda without finding out the truth?

Bush and McMoron started a war of aggression in Iraq that has seen the deaths of over 4,100 young Americans, the damaging of over 300,000 more and the deaths of over 1 million Iraqis and has bankrupted America.

Anyone hear the ghost of the old USSR laughing up it's sleeve after the US used the same dopey tactics to send them broke?

Anyone hear the ghost of the old USSR turning into the new USSA?

Posted by: shepherdmarilyn | October 16, 2008 4:13 AM | Report abuse

pro36, are you Rove or just a flaming nuisance troll with nothing but bile.

Posted by: shepherdmarilyn | October 16, 2008 4:15 AM | Report abuse

Why do Republicans think "spreading the wealth" so horrible Because 5% of the population own 95% of the wealth and they want to keep it that way.

Posted by: Seala | October 16, 2008 4:23 AM | Report abuse

First of all McCain spoke too soon when he said he was going to whip Senator Obama's you know what....it seems McCain is the one who got his you know what whipped he lost all three debates because he is an grumpy old man who is out of touch with the middle class workers.

Senator Obama is in cruise control right now he has got McCain right where he wants him on the run McCain is erratic, nervous and panic. Because he not only loosing in the polls he loosing on the electral college he can't come back becaue there are not any voters left for him to persuade.

Obama for President.

Posted by: judycaesar | October 16, 2008 4:27 AM | Report abuse

When will people realize that the word liberal is not an insult. The word comes from another word no one should ever misrepresent. That word is liberty, which is an institution that our nation was founded on. George Washington was a liberal and so was Abraham Lincoln. I am proud to be called a liberal.

Posted by: windycityward | October 16, 2008 4:47 AM | Report abuse

According to CNN, Fox News said OBAMA won the debate. According to CNN, their own polls showed that Obama won the debate. No one, except those who wouldn't vote for Obama simply because he's a democrat or because he's black or because he isn't Hillary Clinton, could possibly believe that McCain won the debate tonight. It was, by far, McCain's best debate, but that's not saying much.

Posted by: Kaelinda1 | October 16, 2008 4:51 AM | Report abuse

To me, the most despicable act of political theatre I have EVER witnessed is when McCain reprised Tricky Dick at the end of the debate and flashed the "V" signs as if something had been accomplished.

Yes, John McCain, something HAD been accomplished, you proved yourself beyond a shadow of a doubt to be unfit for the presidency of the United States. We need economic solutions not references to 60's hippies.

In the past 3 months, I have lost 15% of my retirement savings. 15%! And that doesn't include what I've lost since 10/1. Bill Ayres didn't lose me that money, REPUBLICAN IDEOLOGY DID.

The only "V" McCain could flash stands for Vituperation. And he should have made a "P" for Pathetic.

Obama has the temperament, and the solutions to our problems. May it be difficult to find a Republican dog-catcher after 11/5!!!

Posted by: ethanquern | October 16, 2008 5:01 AM | Report abuse

It is disgusting to see what the Republican party has become and so evident in McCain's defense during the debate of those that yelled out 'kill him' and 'terrorist' while supporting him. Is that what America is for McCain?

And he goofed again! Joe the plumber, at $250,000 a year, is NOT middle class! Perhaps he is McCain's plumber at one of his 5 homes, or were they 7? So out of touch, it's scary!

Posted by: gnkollia | October 16, 2008 5:25 AM | Report abuse

eugene , you should put up a sign saying , dem partison at work, because fair you are not...

Posted by: DwightHCollins | October 16, 2008 5:25 AM | Report abuse

Can everyone else hear how desperate and whiney McCain was in the debate?

Any one else notice the GOP suporters posting here are whining and desperate too?

Could it be they are infected with Palin's desperate whiner illness?

This people; is the sound of panic.

It is the same sound we heard from George Bush and Hank Paulson when they were screaming; "The sky is falling!" so they could get their commie GOP $700 billion dollar bailout plan for their pan handling buddies on Wall Street billion dollar welfare checks.

It is the same sound we have heard on Wall Street, so we no what its results are.

Panic that is the sound of the GOP.

No wonder all the cool headed sensible American's are deserting this whiney commie GOP.

Posted by: walker1 | October 16, 2008 6:06 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA hung out with a terrorist and was associated with a church that is racist for 20 years and we want him to be our next President? Wake-up Americans and smell the coffee!

Posted by: SAL3456 | October 16, 2008 6:13 AM | Report abuse

In perhaps the most pitiful moment of an awful campaign, John McCain invoked previous generations of McCains as a reason to send him to the White House. He seems to have the same Oedipal issues with his father as does George W. Bush. Again, he came across as angry and contemptuous and even some good responses during the debate could not obscure the fact that he's running on discredited policies. Far too much Republican boilerplate from someone trailing his opponent.

Posted by: rbionaz | October 16, 2008 6:37 AM | Report abuse

mccian was like a rabbit screeching its death squeak
soon the only thing remaining will be a few tufts of fur................

Posted by: JudgeAlan | October 16, 2008 6:46 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: bdstauffer | October 16, 2008 6:51 AM | Report abuse

Issues matter and are important in determining who to vote for but I believe that more important than any particular issue (because an thoughtful person may well change their view on any particular issue in light of new information) is to try to elect someone who can handle the unexpected-the issue or crisis that we don't know about as opposed to the ones that have been discussed or reviewed to a fair-thee-well. John McCain has not only revealed himself to be an impulsive and reckless decision-maker during his life and during this campaign but, at last night's debate he cemented the appearance of a thin-skinned, prickly indivdual for whom becoming president is all about him and his perceived "birth right" to the office. For him to compare labeling Obama as a terrorist in ads run by his campaign to Obama "attacking" his health care plan is absurd on its face. I can understand being offended by being compared to George Wallace, I cannot understand being upset in the slightest that your opponent would challenge your political position on a policy matter and respond emotionally as if that were an equivalent personal attack. To me, that revealed the essential nature of John McCain's character and it wasn't a pretty picture. John McCain apparently believes that the presidency was to be his "of right". It's not.

Posted by: rgreenfield1 | October 16, 2008 6:57 AM | Report abuse

Obama did what debaters do... respond to questions and clarify misconceptions without inserting his emotions into his responses. He was objective and tried continually to focus on the concerns of Americans. You could really see the Harvard debate style in him.

McCain showed too much emotion (particularly anger and frustration) and did not provide clear, direct, or concrete answers. His performance was reflective of someone who is lacking in debate skills and understanding of the purpose of debate.

I think the Republican strategists are out of touch with the world today. They have no new strategies or ideas. They are using predictable and outdated tactics. Unfortunately their lack of innovative strategies is reflected in their aging party demogrphics.

Posted by: 12345leavemealone | October 16, 2008 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Yonkers, New York
16 October 2008

Like millions of other Americans--and probably millions of Europeans and Asians, too--I watched that third and last debate between Barack Obama and John McCain.

I had to take pity on McCain because he probably had been instructed by his handlers to bring up Ayers and Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Wallace and Tony Rezko every chance he got--but somehow failed because every time he tried the moderator Bob Schieffer and Barack Obama would take him back to discussing their plans on what to do to get America out of the multiple crises now bedevilling it.

Obama kept his cool, but there were a few moments when McCain lost it.

This debate, in my opinion, was another win for Barack Obama.

Mariano Patalinjug
MarPatalinjug@aol.com

Posted by: MPatalinjug | October 16, 2008 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Stick the fork in John the potatoe is done.

Now get out the vote for Obama. No lead is safe or as the ever great Yogi said: It ain't ova til it's ova!

Posted by: KraftPaper | October 16, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

John McCain starring in his final role, SON OF BUSH THE SEQUEL, introducing for the first time, from Mooseville, in her role as Hatchet Inaskirt, Sarah Palin. This movie has been rated and sucks.

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | October 16, 2008 7:34 AM | Report abuse

We are looking at an electoral college blow out the likes of which we haven't seen since Clinton 92.......Obama may well get 380 ev's......

Posted by: pgiaquinto | October 16, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

McCAIN'S BEHAVIOR FURTHER CONFIRMED HIS UNSUITABILITY

In this debate, as well formerly, he has shown clear signs of a high level of stress.

Stress destroys judgment, intelligence and creativity and calls forth mental imbalance and aggressiveness. Even worse, it activates defense mechanisms - "psychological blinders", that distort the perception of reality.

Sen. Barack Obama, on the other hand, has shown a superior stress tolerance in demanding stressful situations, like the presidential debate and unprepared TV-interviews.

In Obama, we will have a president capable of making intelligent, wise, realistic and balanced judgments, keeping his mind cool under the very stressful conditions of presidency that will be worse than ever due to the severe economic crisis.

For more, see my blog at: http://drgrandville.blogspot.com/2008/10/suitability-of-president-should-be.html

J.Grandville, M.D.
Expert on stress and developmental psychology

Posted by: drgrandville | October 16, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

pro36, I'm sure the United Church of Christ would object as he is a member of that church and has been for years.

Posted by: camera_eye_11 | October 16, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Man! Obama beat on him like a Sam's Club chucksteak!

Pat Buchanan was positing tonight, that Obama has surged ahead on the crashing stock market.

But there has never been, nor will there ever again be, such a lopsided series of presidential debate massacres.
McCain is going to have to live to be 100 to live this down.
And he was horrible in three completely different ways for each of the three debates.
Unbelievable!

Posted by: julian2 | October 16, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

I am wondering if John McCain even fully understands the exact nature of Sarah Palin's babys condition? He kept referring to her "special understanding" of autism...he does know that Trig has Down's Syndrom, which is not at all the same thing as autism, right?!

Posted by: mcamele | October 16, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

My prediction is Barack Obama will win the Presidential election in November by a 10% margin.

Obama-Biden aren't a perfect solution to the problems our country faces today; but they are more qualified and capable of meeting the challenge than McCain-Palin.

Obama, Biden, and McCain are NOT mavericks. They are established Washington politicians. Palin isn't a maverick either, she's just a woman from a neighboring tribe that got clubbed on the head and dragged off by Big John as his political trophy wife.

Posted by: mhoust | October 16, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Eugene,

I am amazed that you even admitted McCain was there. I'm sure you wrote your article BEFORE the debate. I would be SHOCKED if you ever gave a Republican credit for anything, and faulted a Democrat for ANYTHING. That having been said, I'm voting for Obama. Not that I think he'll be a good president, but I'm an avowed Black racist, who thinks it's our time. I am appreciative that the MSM has seen fit to crown Obama as our savior, but would have been SHOCKED if they had done otherwise. I'm sooo very glad the MSM is leftist. So, unless Obama does something incredibly stupid (which of course will not be reported by the MSM), it looks like 4-8 years of the Democrats in charge. I have full faith and confidence that they will be as corrupt as the Republicans have been these last 8 years. The ONLY saving grace will be that there won't be 60 Democratic Senators, so some of this "reditribution of wealth", maybe, just may be stopped. One thing for sure, earmarks will flow like maple syrup. I'm sure to get my part, so life will be sweet.

Posted by: sdansker2002 | October 16, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Seeing John McCains jaw drop when Obama mentioned that Joe's penalty would be ZERO - was PRICELESS.

McCain makes a big deal about a topic, like its the end all topic, presents it and its clearly shot down then he gets this dumb look on his face and tries it again with the same result....I dont get it. Does anyone show him the tapes after his debates????

Its so clear to see that the McCain campain behaves like most folks when they are losing a fight - they turn personal and throw low punches. Clearly a very desperate man and campain. They can barely look Obama and Michelle in the eye at the end of the debates!

Posted by: SJean | October 16, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

The press has done it's job and I think won the campaign for Obama, although I will vote the other way for the hell of it. I am not going to vote to pay more taxes.

What really scares the hell out of me is the fact that the press is sooo in love with Obama, what happens when he screws up and he will, will it be covered up? Will we have no more unbiased free press? That is really what is scary

Administrations come and go but we used to count on a free unbiased press. That appears to be going the way of the printed newspspser, we just have bloggers in love with Obama. No investigative reporting, no desire to be unbiased.

Oh well, things change, at least when I was a teen I got to see the press do it's job, i.e. Watergate.

Try and keep your hands over your wallets but as we phase into socialism, I think that will be impossible

Posted by: kathymac1 | October 16, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Wow, that pro36 guy sounds like he lost his meds.

Posted by: dcdoug | October 16, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Retarded Obama lost cause he is the muslim communist with communist agenda for this great country>Would we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?U liberals going to lose take my word

Posted by: pro36
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WOW, and after 3 debates, 3 SOLID azz kickings, there are those (this clown) who still clings to these idiotic lies. I guess we don't have tv so we don't know what's going on so let me bring you up to speed so you don't make yourself look like a complete an utter nipplehead. Obama is not communist, if he were, I really don't think our political system would allow him to be the HEAD OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY YOU MORON! Second, and let me say this slow since you don't think very quickly, He isn't a muslim but a christian. That whole muslim thing, just rumors spread by and believed by some really really illiterate, stupid azz dumbshiitz so please, keep saying these things, we just know who you are how how dumb you really are. Pay the cable bill man, get some up to date info!! LOLOLL

Posted by: gabbamonkey | October 16, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

McCain was all heat, no light.

Posted by: Ron5 | October 16, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

John McCain put Sarah Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency. That disqualifies him from the office, and it puts the lie to "country first."

Posted by: trace1 | October 16, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

I'm a 65 yr. old white male. Some thought I would be a McCain supporter since I was a Reagan Democrat. SURPRISE!!! Barack Obama has shown me that he has vision and hope for the USA.. Looking back, ReaganNomics has actually caused some of the problems we have today with "DEREGULATIONS"!!! Experience???? What experience does Sarah Palin have. John McCain is very angry with the fact that someone who has been in the senate for only 2 years is leading in the polls against a senator who has been there 26 yrs. Time for change JOHN!! Alot of "oldtimers" feel the same as what I feel this election year..

Posted by: satchnthesaint | October 16, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Too bad no one monitors this site because these comment pages COULD be a good place for civil discourse. Can't we disagree respectfully? The attacks I've read following this column are cowardly and childish. It's okay to disagree as long as you can explain your position without using four-letter words and attacking your unseen opponent.

Look, Senator Obama is not a terrorist and Senator McCain is not senile. They are both decent men. It's just that Obama will make a much, much, much better President. : )

Posted by: TessDC | October 16, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

In this final debate I was really hoping McCain would focus on the issues, rather than engaging in a witch hunt on Obama's background associations, just in time for Halloween! McCain's game plan was bobbing for rotten apples in a slough of slander, while hoarding all the candy for his top-three-percenter cronies. Obama, on the other hand, wants to share the candy with the middle class, protecting their health and livelihoods from the ghouls and vampires of Wall Street, and protecting their souls from the constitution-destroying evil creatures who have been squatting in the White House for the past eight years. Beware of cold war zombies who go bump in the night!

Posted by: MickNamVet | October 16, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

pro36: thanks for making Obama look good with your impressively pathetic posts

Posted by: newageblues | October 16, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

"I'm not President Bush," said McCain, looking at Obama as he normally seems so loath to do. "If you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run four years ago."

Yes John, but four years ago you were ever so eager to support Bush that you even bowed your balding head for him to kiss. . . . . . Thank you John, for four more years of W.


PS: . . By the way John, what are the differences between you and George Bush's Phil Graham economic policy? . . . ? You never ever gave any definitive answer.

Posted by: coldcomfort | October 16, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

I thought McCain was great and brought up all the right things to get the voters thinking. Obama looked tired and strained. If it makes you feel better to believe that Obama won that's find but McCain will go up in the polls in the next few days. Obama was clearly mad and you could tell it at the end of the debate because he thought McCain wouldn't have the nerve to comfort him with things he didn't want to deal with and was hoping he could hide until after the election. The media has tried everyday to shield little Obama but McCain forced them to talk about things they didn't want to write about. As far as the focus groups I take them with a grain of salt because they are picked and paid to have their five minutes of fame.

Posted by: sque1 | October 16, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

pro36 wrote...Retarded Obama lost cause he is the muslim communist with communist agenda for this great country>Would we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?U liberals going to lose take my word. I want to know who wrote this because I want to vote for U pro36. Maybe then we will get our great country back away from them muslim commie pinkos>oh yeah socialists< and following your level headed agenda

Posted by: michmac | October 16, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I felt the debate went slightly for Obama. That's probably because I am actually interested in someone that will try to bring America out of this pit, help the public help themselves by giving us incentives and redistribute our tax dollars. That's not John McCain's stance.
I'm not sure why someone would want to be President in these conditions, but atleast if Obama wins we won't be going backwards for the next 4 years.

Posted by: bestowens | October 16, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

me vote macaine him old grouchy lying nasty guy but him pick hottie and me want see more of her with big hair hottie safety goggles hottie high heels and lots of lipstick and is also pit bull me like pitbull women also him crash a bunch of planes in vietnam so him deserve to be president but most of all him pick hottie. macaine palling 2008!! yayyyy!!!!!!!

Posted by: DaveMiner | October 16, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone tell me how in the world can someone still be "Undecided" in this election. We do not have two candidates that are similar in any way. I think this is part of the "dumbing down" of America. People that have no idea of which way to go. Like the drivers in front of you on the road that won't get out of the way.

Posted by: bestowens | October 16, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

pro36, take some Prozac and go sleep it off. You sound like a flaming ace-hole. Come back to play in this sandbox when you grow up. Just like McCain, you toss crud out there and dodge the issues.

Take a hike - you're obnoxious.

Posted by: itsagreatday1 | October 16, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Obama/Biden 3
McCain/Palin 0

They may have been better off with Paris Hilton at the debates! LOL

See ya in NOV BYTCHES!!

Posted by: Angryman | October 16, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

An indicator that Obama won - the trolls are out in force, no thoughtful comments just wild, angry, ignorant hate filled posts. You don't do your party or your agenda any favors by spewing this stuff, it just reinforces the idea that folks on the far right are narrow minded, under educated and hateful.

That's a major disservice to true republicans. There are good folks on each side, with good ideas and kind hearts and thoughful answers. This division stuff only serves to harm America and make it even harder for us unify and fix this mess.

Obama has hands down shown his intrest in brining American back together.

Posted by: robind_nc | October 16, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

How objective we all are. Those pro either Obama or McCain think their respective candidate won. I think we all won, since, for once, the candidates did say SOMETHING for a change.

Posted by: Rodin | October 16, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Senator McCain attacks Senator Obama for "not standing up to his party" as often or as vigorously. I keep waiting for Obama to reply, "I'd find it much easier to stand up against my party if they supported regressive taxation, continued involvement in a costly war, deregulation of the banking industry, erosion of civil rights, etc..." The fact that Obama is less inclined to "stand up" against his own party is because he generally agrees with his party's stands on the important issues.

Posted by: mshands | October 16, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Robinson has it exactly right, the last debate was primarily about ideology and McCain's take on Republican ideology is tired and threadbare. "Class warfare"? We're overdue for that, I want some. Even McCain himself chose to bash Wall St. execs for their piggy pay packages. "Choice" instead of "socialized medicine" for health care? Gimme a break, nobody without health insurance has "choice". And "Earmarks" and "big government" just don't stir me up, ya know? McCain talked up a lot of Reagan-era stuff that matters not to any voter living in the moment today...

Posted by: razzl | October 16, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

The big loser in this election will be Fox. Their poll after the debate was 87% McCain won. Oh please! And Hannity says triumphantly "I told you".

The absurdity of this is mind blowing.

Their credibility has been torn to pieces.

Journos like Krauthammer, Morris, Hannity, O'Reilly, and the rest of the disreputable clowns should be wary, because Murdoch is not that political. He always supports the prevailing powerbrokers (eg UK, China, Australia). His party is money $$$$$$.
He will drop these clowns when he sees that the liberal forces have the power.

Posted by: marymae | October 16, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

The debates are helpful to potential voters because the candidates answer the questions posed by the moderator--not their OWN, pre-
written, pre-answered questions.

The blogs are helpful to potential voters because the bloggers reveal their OWN, pre-
conceived, pre-answered questions.

We have EXACTLY the government we deserve.
The only way out of the morass is to VOTE!!

Posted by: wwIIbaby | October 16, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I am really so tired of the country being given to minorities. Mccain is qualified to be President, Obama is not! The only qualification that Obama has is that he is Black. The fact that he is a Muslim and that he has terrorist friends in his background does matter. Mccain-Palin- 08

Posted by: Scruffy1970 | October 16, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

McCain just seemed like he was having a temper tantrum.

Posted by: Rootsy | October 16, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I agree that McCain's stock is dropping. Look at the polls. Obama is the next president. What remains is, will he do the prudent economic thing, or will he press forward with the same old failed Carter plan he has extolled. It's very popular, but just because most voters have taken the message to heart, doesn't mean that economic principles have changed. I hope the law professor will listen with an open mind to an economics professor when he's in the White House. I don't care which candidate "wins" a debate. I don't care which parties candidate gets the Presidency. I care that I CAN care for my family. The only way I can do that is via economic opportunity. For this to happen, Obama must see what is real and what is "a chicken in every pot" politics. The debate convinced me of one thing: the candidates will not or cannot make plain to the public the real issues of economics. Bumper sticker sized sound bites sway votes.

Posted by: primegrop | October 16, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

We need a commentary about what the conservative trolls with rather over the top comments are going to with their anger when Obama wins by a landslide. It is a serious consideration.
Perhaps some anger management groups.

Posted by: Dipsy | October 16, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

DEEMANN: YOU are a BIGOT, you are a BIGOT, you are a BIGOT and an out of touch citizen who does not have a damn clue about the major issues the good citizens of this coutnry are dealing with on a daily basis. At least EDUCATE yourself regarding the current pressig issues and try to make an educated argument. You and the rest of the McLame...oh I mean McSame...oh I meant McCain supporters still have your heads in the sand or else where but not on the actual issues that matter. Unfortunately, racism is still alive and well!! McCain has given a carte blanche to those who had previously feared to be labeled as racist individuals to express their racist views so openly and without remorse. It is rather scary to know that we still have people like you in the 21st century living and working among the rest of the logical and accepting good citizens of this great nation.

I will pray for you.

Posted by: LadyPhoenix4444 | October 16, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

To any Republicans out there thinking about voter suppression and other means of stealing this election, you better think about the consequences of such actions.

The facts:
Obama/Biden convincingly won every single debate

Obama represents the change this country is desperately seeking, as evidenced by Republican Bush's record low approval ratings

Obama is clearly seen as the candidate best fit to solve the economic crisis, by far the #1 issue in this election

Obama is seen as the steadier, more likable, more inspiring, more presidential candidate

Palin is a joke. Period.

Obama is ahead in the polls by about 10 points now.

Think about what will happen in this country if Obama does not win this election because of the usual dirty tricks by the Republican party...
It would tear this country apart.

We need Obama to lead and unite us!


Posted by: jgarrisn | October 16, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Just guessing, but I have the feeling an opposition plant like Joe the Plumber would get lynched at a Republican gathering these days. McCain's events remind one of Bush's events. Never let someone in that might ask the wrong question, for God forbid the candidate have to think and get off message.

Posted by: mischanova | October 16, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

The issue is not what age Obama was when Ayers committed his terrorist acts, but what age Obama was when he allowed the unrepentent Ayers to host a fund raiser for Obama that Obama attended. That act speaks volumes either about Obama's judgement or his beliefs.

Once again, America is given putrid choices for President. When will the democrats and republicans ever get it right?

Posted by: AWWNats | October 16, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

pro36, you are wrong about the Chicago house.
(Sigh) Here, again, is the correct info.
(1) the Obamas bought the house from the [unnamed] owner, who had the adjacent 60-foot wide strip of land for sale that was separate from the house. This was too much for the Obama budget, so they just bought the house.
(2) Rezko's wife bought the strip of land. About two years later, the Obama's bought just 10 feet of the 60 feet (again, all they could afford).

(3) Mrs. Rezko later sold the remaining 50 feet to someone else. She made a profit on both sales.

No conspiracy of any kind here.

Posted by: dotellen | October 16, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Scruffy: The same remark goes for you as Deeman...WAKE UP!!!
Where do you get off judging a candidate based upon the color of his skin or labeling an entire religion such as Islam as terrorists??? Senator Obama is a CHRISTIAN.
First: I suggest HOOKED ON PHONICS
Second: I suggest membership at a local library
Third: Pray for yourself, because you need a lot of help opening your mind.
UNBELIEVABLE!!!
4444

First: I suggest HOOKED ON FONICS
Second: I suggest a

Posted by: LadyPhoenix4444 | October 16, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Frankly, I can't wait for Obama to get elected. Since there will have to be an increase in payroll taxes to fund Social Security, Medicare, universal healthcare, those who are employed won’t have much left to spend. I won't have to pay a dime since I will be retired in a few years. I'll be living in a house that I own outright, while the rest of you pay $8 or more for gas, pay your high rent, and ever increasing payroll taxes. Also, since I will make under $150,000 a year, I’ll get a tax break under Obama. My 401k has been safe since I moved it out of equities. I wonder if any of you did the same.

Obama will have to tax us. He has no choice. 700 billion to bail out Wall Street. 700 billion in deficits. All of it is coming out of your pockets. Obama wants to tax corporations. Countries , like Ireland , are trying to lure corporations to their country. Obama wants to tax corporations 40%. Ireland taxes corporations 12%. Guess where all your job will go once corporations are taxed 40%? Obama wants to tax small businesses. Small businesses employ most of the workers in the US. If small businesses are taxed more, they won’t employ as many workers. This is not rocket science. If you think 6.1% unemployment is bad, wait until you see double digit unemployment, just like the Jimmy Carter years.

To all you young, employed Obama supporters who will be working until you're at least 70 or more, I want to thank you, in advance, for paying exorbitant payroll taxes to fund my early retirement. Go Obama!

Posted by: Dodgers1 | October 16, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

The rabid and angry partisanship shown on this board makes me fear for my country. United we stand anyone? We can disagree without being hateful you know. I'm both liberal and conservative at times and I don't think that the two are mutually exclusive, but I can also think critically; too bad many people parrot what they hear or just go for cheap shots. Please try to be civil; neither liberal or conservative are bad words but they can both be considered poor (or at least inadequate or mentally lazy) labels. GROW UP!

Posted by: Cake_Or_Death | October 16, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

And McCain expressed regret that there had not been 10 more townhall debates!

McCain loses three percentage points every time he debates Obama!
Let's see...That would put McCain at about 10 percent/Obama 90 pct.

I guess Johnny Flyboy wasn't a whiz at calculus.

Posted by: julian2 | October 16, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Okay, I did not see this debate, I went out to play some music and get away from this stuff for just a bit. I did see the entirety of the first two debates Judging from the commentary on this board, I can see that it was no different than the first two, except perhaps they actually engaged a bit more. However, the commentary here on this board indicates that Obama, as usual, was lucid, well spoken, to the point, presidential and respectful. McCain on the other hand, having no other choice, got down and dirty with the usual ephemera and was his real snarky self. That persona ought to go down well with world leaders. Posters for McCain here are mostly indulging in a screaming fit about nothing and those posts will move no one except themselves and those already "in the tank" for McCain. Yes, "All sound and fury, signifying nothing". Posters like pro36 & deeman know that this thing is lost. All they have left are meaningless attacks in the face of the greatest crisis the nation has faced on some seventy to eighty years. The rethuglicans and neo-con Neanderthals have no answers, just meaningless frothing at the mouth. Advantage Obama...

Posted by: robertmerry | October 16, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Two notes to Senator McCain:

1. If you think William Ayers is a washed up terrorist and you don't care about him, then why do you continue to mention this in your campaign ads?
2. Sarah Palin's son has Down's syndrome, not autism!

Posted by: bigskells | October 16, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

pro36 - did you eat a lot of lead as a child? your posts are insipid.

Posted by: vinniesullivan | October 16, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

McSame looked like a terminally ill wounded animal that needs to be put out of his misery!

Dont worry John just another 3 weeks keep raging!

The country needs a cool calculated sophisticated charismatic personality in lines with his steady campaign not an unpredictable YO-YO!

Posted by: 1Nouri | October 16, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

There are a lot of comments for and against both candidates on this blog but rest...assured...that the next President of these United States will not be a co-owner in a brewery. All of you staunch republicans who have descended through history, you are about to see "change" and not the jingly kind!

Posted by: sallee54 | October 16, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

We certainly hope that Mr. Robinson will grow up and act like a professional journalist after the election. Your columns are transparent and monotonous Eugene.

Posted by: dcn1 | October 16, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

There seems to be more heat on the blogs than the actual debate. The people has voted in the polls as to whom they think won the debate. If the same people vote on election day, then the argument is over, it's clearly Obama regardless to what or how one may feel.

It's clear, the republican party has screwed this nation and the rest of the world who relied on our so called free market for the rich and no regulations. There's more middle and low class people in America than rich and when you exclude them, eventually you will have chaos. The Bush era is over and Thank God we don't have to deal with his stupidity.

One thing that bothered me last night was the audacity of John McCain trying to put Obama down for being able to speak English clearly and intelligently. He can't accept the fact that we have black men who don't split verbs and nouns and who's far more educated than him or "W". Yes Obama speaks well and smarter than all of them including that illiterate Sarah Palin and her dysfunctional husband. We need to look at the facts and Obama is the one who can get us back on track.

It's time you see what a real intelligent black man is about. We have plenty of them which are not part of that group which white women sleep around with having babies by. They are a small percentage which black women don't even want, so wake up, it's a new day.

Posted by: thegirl119 | October 16, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Retarded Obama lost cause he is the muslim communist with communist agenda for this great country>Would we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?U liberals going to lose take my word

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:05 AM


Why are you spewing this garbage and much more today? As for the retarded kindergartener comment, it looks like you are the r/k. Do I sense a sore loser here?
It must really suck to be you.

Posted by: jime2000 | October 16, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Robinson, your bias has been spelled out throughout this campaign.. You could have written your column before they spoke for all it would have done to change your opinion about it.

Posted by: Bluefish2012 | October 16, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone else notice McCain's desperate attempt to always get the last word for each question. Despite who was asked the question first, McCain, much like a 13 year old, always had to have the last word. After he would get the last word in, he would give himself a big congratulatory smile, like he had "shown" Obama. Country first? More like the teenage perspective of "Me first" and last. Embarassing.

Posted by: musicphlaps | October 16, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Sen. McCain.....listening as an undecided...Obama sounded mighty convincing...BUT....when Sen.McCain pointed out... two or three times... what Obama ACTUALLY said....Obama sounded like he was dodging the issue...like he was not quite telling the truth...by the way...are all or most of Obama's followers BELOW the $250,000 income?...is that why they think it is fair to take a handout so everyone can be equal?...that scares me and makes me angry....my family works hard...we keep long hours....we EARN our money...we do not feel that we should be responsible for people who do not share the same initiative, ambitions and work ethic as we do...what happens to Obama's "plan" when the "rich" Americans take their money out of the country?.....the middle class will have to pay and our nation will end up in a depression....that is what will happen...

Posted by: Rabbitinred | October 16, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Magoo came off as, well, old and crotchety.

His thoughts were not well organized. His arguments were not cohesive or relevant.

He may have been sitting in a chair, but he wandered.

He displayed ZERO self control.

For a gambler, his 'tells' were transparent to the novice.

Posted by: vote4magoo | October 16, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

McCain is losing it. A breakdown is coming for that sorry old man. His memory and recent actions have shown he is incapable of rational thought, and obviously unfit for the White House. It truly is sad watching him unravel during this election cycle. I guess when you've sold your soul to obtain your 40 year dream of being President, and see it falling short, it's understandable that this would happen. At least he'll be surrounded by his friends as he loses, like Bush, Rove, Cheney. Oops, I forgot. They aren't really on friendly terms.

Posted by: COLEBRACKETT | October 16, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a sleazy lying Marxist! v ery dangerous!!

Posted by: jjcrocket | October 16, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I am really so tired of the country being given to minorities
***
oops, time for you to move out of the country then. i hear mexico is nice this time of year. d'oh, no, that won't work because "minorities" live there. how about canada? you'll need your mittens, but, wait, minorities live there too. what's a racist to do?

Posted by: frieda406 | October 16, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

pro36 is a frog-gigging troll. but as an aside, i've rec'd reliable info that he has a tiny whoozit.

Posted by: frieda406 | October 16, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Notes on the debate (using a printout of its transcripts courtesy of the NYT, and the video courtesy of the WaPo):

1. Mc Cain: “Our beloved Nancy Reagan” opinions are, let’s say, divided about her, plus the Reagans never forgave McCain for his treatment of his first wife, so that was a strange thing to start the debate with – if it wasn’t name-dropping.

2. McCain: “Americans are hurting right now, and they’re angry” – so is everyone else in the world; it’s a good tactic to acknowledge it right away, but is it more than a rhetorical device?

3. McCain: “catalyst for the housing crisis was Fanny and Freddy Mac that caused the subprime lending situation that caused the housing market in America to collapse.” As if, in the considerable rest of the Western world, property had not also been wildly overvalued and people given mortgages which the banks KNEW they probably couldn’t repay. So don’t pin it on Fanny and Freddy (with the unspoken implication that it’s the US Democrats’ fault, and not saying that McCain’s campaign was itself entangled with the two mortgage lenders and their lobbyists).

4. Misrepresenting Obama’s tax plans over and over, even when quietly and repeatedly corrected

5. Misrepresenting “the American dream” as being self-employed ...weird.

6. “Let’s spread the wealth around” with the implication that that would be at “Joe the plumber”’s (small businesses’ expense, even as Obama was saying the opposite. Since someone does have to pay for infrastructure, health, education, housing etc., so that the little people can benefit from it, and Joe the plumber still falls under the category of little people, but conversely, obscenely rich people like the Bushes and the McCains should indeed pay more taxes for the common weal, this conflation of the little people’s situation with that of the obscenely rich – just like Bush used to do – is just stubbornness and lack of insight, in my opinion. When hundreds of thousands of people employed BY OTHERS have just been laid off and will quickly face destitution, cutting business tax rates will be the least of their worries.

7. McCain: “...obviously, if we can start increasing home values...” – and start the next housing bubble with its imaginary “wealth”? And what about the people who have already lost their homes?

8. McCain: “Energy-independent” –Given that the US military is already using a disproportionate amount of the world’s oil, maybe it would help to scale down the military to save fuel, Mr McCain?

9. “Deregulated” – read “inherently unsafe” nuclear reactors in the US, and lots of them? With lots of equally-unsafe weapons-grade uranium and plutonium (and its well-known half-life of 24.000 years? Heard of Three Mile Island and Chernobyl?

More in a moment.

Posted by: jochebed | October 16, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

we do not feel that we should be responsible for people
****
read the Bible.

Posted by: frieda406 | October 16, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

To all you young, employed Obama supporters who will be working until you're at least 70 or more, I want to thank you, in advance, for paying exorbitant payroll taxes to fund my early retirement. Go Obama!
Posted by: Dodgers1
***
hey, you're welcome. p.s. dodgers played great again last night, in much the same way mccain did w/obama. hahahahahaha.

Posted by: frieda406 | October 16, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Robinson, your bias has been spelled out throughout this campaign
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well, bluefish, i suppose you get all your information from the very reliable and bias free NRO, Fox, etc. snore.

Posted by: frieda406 | October 16, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Pro36,
Will you be my date to Obama's inauguration? Chump.

Posted by: cao091402 | October 16, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

As a woman voter the most scary point for me in the debate, Mr Robinson, was the glaring fact that McCain coldy and cruelly ignored the health and safety of the mother in the abortion confrontation. Clearly he all for placing us back into history when abortions were available but dangerous, performed in back sleazy rooms in unhealthy conditions by unqualified people. This will return if he gets his way because women will risk the consequences of illegal abortions. For decades those who witnessed this activity up close fought and won the battle to prevent permanent internal organ mutilation and trauma, unbearable pain and often death. Without thought or compassion he would brutally do away this progress and drag us back into the past. He would will give men power over our bodies and this is wrong. The world cannot feed the population it already has, why bring more unwanted mouths to exacerbate this tragedy ?

Posted by: elizabeth6 | October 16, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I had a slightly different take . . .
It was hard for me to keep my concentration on what was being said by all three men since, with every camera shot under harsh lighting, McCain reminded me of either Frosty the Snowman or the Pillsbury Doughboy (especially with those coal-black eyes). How can one take a candidate seriously if one is reminded of a character famous for pop-in-the-oven dinner rolls?
In any event, from what I was able to catch, Frosty nearly melted from red-hot anger as he spewed forth the same old lies he's been telling for months.
One candidate is desperate, the other cool and calm. One is grasping at straws (perhaps to line a stove-top hat?) the other thinking of switch grass to be made into bio-fuel.
I'm sure we all have seen enough debates between the top critters to know who represents the future and which one would make a great running mate with Charles Curtis.
I only wish they'd bring back Sarah Palin for another round of Tina Fey impersonations.
Now, that would be entertainment!

Posted by: hyjanks | October 16, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I had a slightly different take . . .
It was hard for me to keep my concentration on what was being said by all three men since, with every camera shot under harsh lighting, McCain reminded me of either Frosty the Snowman or the Pillsbury Doughboy (especially with those coal-black eyes). How can one take a candidate seriously if one is reminded of a character famous for pop-in-the-oven dinner rolls?
In any event, from what I was able to catch, Frosty nearly melted from red-hot anger as he spewed forth the same old lies he's been telling for months.
One candidate is desperate, the other cool and calm. One is grasping at straws (perhaps to line a stove-top hat?) the other thinking of switch grass to be made into bio-fuel.
I'm sure we all have seen enough debates between the top critters to know who represents the future and which one would make a great running mate with Charles Curtis.
I only wish they'd bring back Sarah Palin for another round of Tina Fey impersonations.
Now, that would be entertainment!

Posted by: hyjanks | October 16, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

McCain is three months older than me. I don't think I have ever behaved as childishly and as capriciously as he has in recent debates and speeches. He is evidently too old to run for or be president. His choice of Sarah Palin indicates either rank cynicism or early dementia. With him in the White House it would be hard to choose between his survival there or his replacement by Palin. A choice miserable in the extreme.

Posted by: ravitchn | October 16, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Elizabeth6,

I have a few problems with the "woman has control of her body" argument. What is your position if the potential father wants to keep the fetus, and the potential mother doesn't? Is it her say only? What about his say? Also, why does the Government have to pay for a volutary surgical procedure to kill the fetus? I would think that, if it's a choice, then the woman should foot the bill. Sort of like elective cosmetic surgery, no? I'm for abortion in the case of rape & life of the mother at stake. Even for incest if the woman is under-age (say 16). In those cases, I'd say the Government should help out. In all other cases, the Government shouldn't have to foot the bill. What say you?

Posted by: sdansker2002 | October 16, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Retarded Obama lost cause he is the muslim communist with communist agenda for this great country>Would we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?U liberals going to lose take my word
Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:05 AM

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with the criminal REZKO.No wonder considering his Chicago mob connections.Do we need the criminal in OUR WH?
Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:07 AM

Lamobama lost big time.Go McCain!!!
Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:09 AM

joesixpack4obama , you sound like the same desperate chump Lamobama is. Do yourself a favor; go screwurself and the horse u ride in on.

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:28 AM
Did anyone notice something interesting in tonight's debate? Obama acted like retarded kindergarten kid
Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:10 AM
FoxNews said:McCain won 89% to 11%.Even liberal scumbags CNN sai McCain won 65% to 30% over Obama
Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 1:13 AM

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These thoughtful, well reasoned, intelligent, and non-emotional comments are brought to you by a supporter of John McCain. Is it me, or is anyone else concerned that this guys is about to blow?

Posted by: HopingForABetterWorld | October 16, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Mr. Robinson and I watched the same debate. Barack Obama did "respond" to John McCain's points, but often he answered a different question than John McCain raised. Mr Obama is trained as a lawyer, and he put that training to good use.

I am disappointed that Obama has had a free ride from so many journalists. Obama has been a major practitioner of earmarking, but has received little criticism for his nearly $1 billion in earmarks. Obama dismisses John McCain's criticism by stating that earmarks are a small percentage of the federal debt: this is true, but that does not mean the practice is right.

Another blot in Obama's history, where he had trouble distinguishing right from wrong, was his association with the fiery pastor who preached "God Damn America." Obama did not sever that relationship until it became politically embarassing for him in his race against Hillary Clinton, who by the way would have been a far better candidate.

Last night, Mr. Obama showed great skill in equating unequal travesties. When John McCain complained - justifiably so - about Obama's refusal to disassociate himself from Rep. Lewis, Obama equated Lewis's considered remarks with some offensive "heat of the moment" remarks from annonymous people in a crowd at a Sarah Palin rally. Oh well, when one is a clever lawyer, apples are oranges.

I think the ability to disguish right from wrong is important. Over the course of a long and illustrious career, John McCain has demonstrated that ability again and again. Barack Obama's dissociation from questionable people, only when it becomes politically embarassing, does raise some serious doubts.

Posted by: dahutchinson | October 16, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Character matters for any Presidential candidate regardless of party. The fact is Obama’s known associates bring his character into question - Tony “convicted felon” Rezko, Bill “unrepentant terrorist” Ayers, and Rev. Jeremiah “G.D. America” Wright.

Any one of these associations should disqualify Obama from Presidential consideration.

Don’t tell me Obama wasn’t aware ACORN hasn’t been busy “just fill(ing) out a bunch of names.” You don’t spend $832,000 in campaign funds for nothing.

The sad part is Robinson calls this “innuendo” as he keeps hoping no one notices Obama’s obvious warts. Unfortunately for America, Robinson may get his wish.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | October 16, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Wow - the astroturf trolls are posting here BIGTIME today - they must fear the reaper!
Angry man vs well spoken statesman - very soon the people will choose excellence over angry arrogance ... pretty obviouds from last night's debate (if you WATCHED IT) that at 72 he's a heartbeat away from retirement ...

Posted by: webdevgal | October 16, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Whew, I'm not the only one wondering if pro36 is about to blow! I was just thinking how glad I am that he's not my relative. What a bummer to have to live in that house!

Posted by: tperry1 | October 16, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Kathymac1,
I hate to rain on your party, but we're already living with socialism RIGHT NOW! You pay into Social Security, right? You expect some sort of payment out of it, right? And how about that Medicaid?

Or would you rather kick the oldsters and the infirm to the curb to fend for themselves?

Personally I was shocked at how desperate and irrational McCain's behavior was. I was an admirer of the good old Straight Talk Express back in the day, but now: how far the mighty have fallen.

Posted by: undercover_hon | October 16, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

The community organizer's skill at lying on most issues was most obvious. Robinson's rant is typical of skewed thinking and bias. If you think the economy is bad now wait until this empty suit enters the Oval Office. Clinton will look like Mother Teresa! Lying is the signature tradition of the left.

Posted by: nmg3rln | October 16, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey pro36..take your whiskey shot and go back to sleep in your mobile home....freakin in-bred.

Posted by: ryanr007 | October 16, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

And what's with the accusations of voter fraud? I'm feeling some deja vu - didn't Ellen Sauerbrey's campaign do the same thing when she ran against Parris Glendenning in Maryland? She was also desperate and losing ground...

Further, Republicans don't seem to like "activists". Rebalance of power, re-distribution of land and wealth among the poor and not-white - it all just gives them the willies.

Posted by: undercover_hon | October 16, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

>> And what's with the accusations of voter fraud?
Actually, its not Voter Fraud, it would be Voter Registration fraud ... a much lesser charge.

Posted by: webdevgal | October 16, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, webdevgal. Forgot a word. But I still think my Sauerbrey reference applies...

Posted by: undercover_hon | October 16, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I guess we shouldn't be surprised at the Left Fascist vitriol being hurled at Joe the Plubmer. Those people only have hatred for those who fail to bow before their Messiah 0bama.

Posted by: NeverLeft | October 16, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

The thing that concerned me about Obama and Joe the plumber is that Obama talked about waitresses, nurses, and teachers in explaining that Joe should be happy to give his hard-earned money to give those people a tax break. Waitresses, nurses, and teachers are not small business owners. They have employers that pay them. Small business owners have to rely on themselves and only themselves to provide for their families and the people who work for them. In addition, most waitresses don't pay much, if anything, in taxes, and, while they are supposed to claim all their tips, most claim the least amount possible, which when I was waitressing amounted to 8% of my sales. Nurses are paid very well and have the benefit of a growing shortage. I very often see thousands of dollars in signing bonuses offered to nurses by potential employers. Finally, teachers do not pay social security taxes. They have their own retirement system.

I ran a small business. It was taxed on its corporate income and then I was taxed again on my pay from the business. On top of that , the business had to pay unemployment taxes in case I became unemployed. The taxes and fees are an incredible burden. And guess what state I live in--Illinois! Illinois has some of highest business expenses in the country. (It also has a very high rate of governors who have gone to prison. You might want to think about that before you so casually dismiss Obama's acquaintances from Chicago.)

Barack Obama has done nothing to ease the burden of doing business in Illinois, and no one should expect different from him on a national level. He will kill jobs, increase unemployment, and put our economy six feet under with his socialist agenda. Big corporations do not pay taxes: they pass them on to the consumers--that's you and me. I can't tell you how much I am looking forward to paying higher taxes, if I even have a job, while also paying higher prices to buy everything. That's his idea of helping the economy?

The only thing to help the economy is to put more money in people's pockets. That means lower taxes for everyone--repeat,everyone. You can't stimulate the economy if you have no job and no money to buy anything. You can't provide jobs if businesses are taxed into doing business elsewhere or into going out of business altogether.

Obama's economic policies will be a disaster for our country. I wouldn't worry about it so much if the Congress was at least Republican. The thought of Obama, Pelosi, and Harry Reid in a majority and free to do whatever they want scares the c**p out of me. If people insist on voting for Obama, then please make the responsible decision to vote Republican for congressional seats. The system of checks and balances must be maintained.

Posted by: lashadow | October 16, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Can someone check out something I heard somewhere else, that Joe the plumber is related to Charles Keating?

Posted by: deeppeace | October 16, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I guess the republicans here have a hard time reading. "Biased press" "Eugene is in the tank for Obama" "So unfair", end of the free world....Blah blah blah. Did you not see the section this article was written under? It's the OPINION column! Sheeze. This is Eugene's opinion. It also seems to tbe the opinion of many others that have posted here.

Posted by: biggirl90 | October 16, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

While Barrack was talking the split screen would show McCain's face, it was very amusing. He reminded me of one of those dolls in "Its a Small World Afterall" Disneyland ride where they eyes would be wide going side to side and then blinking. When McCain would throw out what he considered a zinger he reminded me of Mr. Roper from Three's Comany turning and smiling to the camera. He came off extremely immature at times and other times just plain mean. With him and Palin they should be called the Mean Team.

Posted by: gosslaar7611 | October 16, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Please. McCain is down because of the media's endless slander of him.

Remember the whole "kill him" scandal that Robininson and the rest of the media/Obama PR team used to attack McCain and "hateful" conservatives?

It never happened. It was made up by a reporter:

"SCRANTON – The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.

The Scranton Times-Tribune first reported the alleged incident on its Web site Tuesday and then again in its print edition Wednesday. The first story, written by reporter David Singleton, appeared with allegations that while congressional candidate Chris Hackett was addressing the crowd and mentioned Obama’s name a man in the audience shouted “kill him."

News organizations including ABC, The Associated Press, The Washington Monthly and MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann reported the claim, with most attributing the allegations to the Times-Tribune story.

Agent Bill Slavoski said he was in the audience, along with an undisclosed number of additional secret service agents and other law enforcement officers and not one heard the comment.

“I was baffled,” he said after reading the report in Wednesday’s Times-Tribune."

Posted by: bobmoses | October 16, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Rabbitinred, wealthy people do not need as much representation since their wealth itself has undue power and influence in a Capitalistic society as ours. If you have read the papers the middle class is hurting so when they stop buying things the economy sags and falters.Then we all loose including the wealthy. Giving tax breaks to the wealthy never has and never will help the economy that is called Reagonomics and has been proven time and time again not to work. You have benefitted from our Capitalistic society so as a responsible citizen you pay taxes, its American. Recenting paying taxes for schools, hospitals, roads, grants for college tuition is just selfish greed on your part. Quit boo hooing about how hard you work, be a resposible citizen and pay your taxes whiner.

Posted by: gosslaar7611 | October 16, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Some people who post here are so much of a trip there on a vacation. There is so much mudslinging going on back and forth between McCCain and Obama supporters. It is good to see such passion. However we don't have to resort to calling one another names.

After all this is an opinion column it doesn't necessarily mean it is fact. It is Mr. Robinsons's opinion.

His opinion however had been echoed by many of the news media except for FOx.

Only time will tell what happens. Then perhaps after the election is over we can have some peace. I for one am tired of these negative ads and this campaign. I think the negativity of the campaign has spilled over into readers comments.

I know who I am voting for. I am voting for the man I think who will bring about the change we need.

Post your opinions but you don't have to call people names like moron's and idiots to do it. Everyone is entitled to their opinions no matter how foolish it may sound to others.

It may be hard for some Republicans to respect a Democrats views and it may be hard for a Democrats to respect Republican views.
But at the end of the day they are entitled to their views. Most importantly at the end of the day WE ARE ALL AMERICANS!

Posted by: bjlopez1130 | October 16, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

pro36 scribbled: Retarded Obama lost cause he is the muslim communist with communist agenda for this great country>Would we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?U liberals going to lose take my word
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pro36, is your problem that you are taking too many meds, or not enough? It's time to put down your crayon and call the nurse. Best check your diaper too!

Posted by: xconservative | October 16, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I enjoyed your comments on Keith's show last night. You're always insightful and intelligent. You counter Keith's over the top comments. I agree with you OBAMA won the debate fair and square. He's a debater and it's a pleasure to watch him handle words.

Posted by: jmays1 | October 16, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama paid market price for his home. Mrs. Rezko bought the adjoining lot and profited from its resale. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/rezko_reality.html

The constant distortions of the McCain ads and its supporters (Pro36 here) are why I switched allegiance. McCain has traded in his position as the Senate's maverick to grasp desperately at the presidency. The desperation showed in last night's debate in the McCain's snide demeanor.

Posted by: jackshipley1 | October 16, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Another blot in Obama's history, where he had trouble distinguishing right from wrong, was his association with the fiery pastor who preached "God Damn America." Obama did not sever that relationship until it became politically embarassing for him
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who cares? my mother, a devout catholic, attended a church where one of the priests was eventually arrested, tried and convicted for sexually assaulting children. she continued to attend that church. does that mean she approved of child sexual abuse?

Posted by: frieda406 | October 16, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Am I theonly person who heard Mc cain claim that obama voted against breyer for the Supreme Court. Obama wasnt in the senate so I dont understand how he could have voted on the nomination. Did Mc Cain lose 10 years?

Posted by: scott68543
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No, I heard it too. He even mentioned that he voted for it 10 years ago and then said "and you Senator Obama voted against it". When it didn't get picked up by the press I thought maybe I heard it wrong; but since you heard it too, I guess McSame is "losing his barings" sorta speak...

Posted by: Beingsensible | October 16, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Those people only have hatred for those who fail to bow before their Messiah 0bama
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gosh, you're smart. is your house big enough to fit your head?

Posted by: frieda406 | October 16, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

i was certain that the old man was going to have a MyLai flashback...but felt better when I recalled that he never actually fought...he just rained down death and destruction from the skies...

Dispicable republican galloot is all he is/ever was.

Posted by: kase | October 16, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else concerned about how the candidates looks are being used for or against them in deciding how to vote? Scary! If people are going to be that shallow, I guess Palin will win by a landslide.

Posted by: lashadow | October 16, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

pro36 @ October 16, 2008 1:13 AM posted "FoxNews said:McCain won 89% to 11%.Even liberal scumbags CNN sai McCain won 65% to 30% over Obama"

I can find no evidence of ypour claim on Fox, and I KNOW that you are wrong about what CNN said.

Are you perchance another of those paid by the Republicans to post favorable McCain comments?

Posted by: AMviennaVA | October 16, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I mcSame hurries- we can bury him with Reagan's hag!

Posted by: kase | October 16, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please tell me how it is that McCain, having voted this country into a trillion dollar black hole in Iraq from which no one can escape except our allies, dares ask for a promotion and a pay raise? Wouldn't you be fired if you committed such a blockbuster blunder? Wouldn't McCain fire an employee of his if that employee committed a similar type blunder? McCain, this hero, this titan of experience, who knows where Bin Laden is and how to get him, is asking Americans to continue to place their money on a losing horse, the GOP. Exactly, wherewith do his loyalty, patriotism and sense of decency lie? It's not with this country or the people. Finally, his VP pick, Palin, is a distracted parent with a two year old special needs child. McCain displaying an acute lack of wisdom and care about America's children, would put Palin in a position where she, distracted as she is, might well be in a position where she is making life and death decisions regarding the children of others. Would you turn your children over to a distracted baby sitter? I wouldn't think so. What would it say about our decision-making abilities, our judgment and our worth as parents if we did this to our children?

Posted by: vmonroe_valnesio | October 16, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I am thankful that the debates have come to an end. Be an informed voter and check out each candidates websites abd congressional records. Then you will become an educated voter.

When you remove all the negative words and phrases you can actually see the value of the comments.

May the best candidate for the good of the country be elected.

Posted by: Ipray2U | October 16, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

McCain is just an angry, desperate old man with unworkable ideas. Just the thought of him trying to negotiate with any foreign leader should scare anyone from voting for him!

Now it turns out that Joe the Plumber was a plant in the crowd. He's a cousin of Charles Keating of Keating 5 fame.

Posted by: rhb11 | October 16, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

pro36, could you please stop wasting space

Posted by: karalla | October 16, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Pro36:
Are you old enough to be posting on this site? "Retarded Obama?" It sounds junior high to me.

And, what are you quoting in terms of polls? FOX, CNN, and all of the major polls showed Obama having won the debate by a large margin. And, on FOX, their focus group showed all hands up for Obama after the debate and the commentator had to say, "it looks like Obama by a large margin" - try 100%. That was FOX, man.

No point in even trying to discuss the "Muslim" issue with you and your ilk. If you can't go to Factcheck.org and trust that this has been thoroughly disputed, then I think "Muslim" is just another way of saying "black." And, you don't like that, do you? I won't say "retard."

Posted by: bethechange1 | October 16, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

The election was over two weeks ago when the bottom fell out of ths stock market.
At least this time Mr. Robinson recognized the truth, i.e. that Obama is a straight down the middle democrat regardless of his 'new/freshness'.

Obama is going to (hopefully since he really is untested) make a good president.

Posted by: DCDave11 | October 16, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Pro36 - Are you really Sarah Palin? Your written sentences are slightly more incoherent than your spoken words, so I'm just thinking that you write worse than you speak. Really Sarah, you don't have to use an alias in here.

Posted by: bkhoward | October 16, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

McCain claimed not to be Bush. But he supported Bush's attack on Iraq, tax cuts for the super-rich, which together amount to busting the budget. McCain is a Republican and believes in trickle-down economics. An article of faith for them which has come to a crash. Obama is right that four years of McCain - read probably Palin - would be more of the same nonsense in aid of the wealthy, while the average family would continue to suffer. Clinton showed how to do it - he ended his term with a surplus and was on track to eliminate the national debt. The economy always has done better under Democratic presidents than under Republican presidents. As for military defeats and stalemates - who was President when the armistice was signed in Korea? Eisenhower, a Republican. Who was President when South Viet Nam was taken over by North Viet Nam? Ford, a Republican. Who was President when we got chased out of Lebanon? Reagan, a Republican. Who messed up Iraq? Bush, a Republican. Who was President when we won World War I. Wilson, a Democrat. World War II? Truman, a Democrat. What about the overthrow of Milosevic? Clinton, a Democrat, engineered that. In war and peace, the Democrats are better at government.

Posted by: troisieme | October 16, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

did anyone miss that obama never answered about sending $230,000 to A.C.O.R.N. through ANNENBERG???????????

NOW IF HE HARDLY KNEW AYERS, how was this possible?

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | October 16, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

The debate last night brought memories from the past:
* The best moments of Mr. McCain reminded me of some of the Charlie Chaplin's movies.
* The worst moments of Mr.McCain brough memories of the old classic (the original one) The Fly. This thought also came to mind when Mr. MaCain closed one of his previous engagements with the sentence...'fight we me'.

Posted by: PCM011 | October 16, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

who among us in our heart of hearts believe obama when he tells he though the donations he received from IRAQ, he mistook them for donations from IOWA?

AND WHO AMONG US believe obama would have returned that money if RNC did not threaten an investigation into his funds two weeks ago?

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | October 16, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO BE OBJECTIVE???? OF COURSE NOT, ALL OF YOU LIBERAL LEFTIST ALREADY KNOW WHAT PEOPLE MUST SAY, AND KNOW BETTER WHAT IS BEST FOR THE COUNTRY - AND OF COURSE, YOU LEFTIST BETTER KNOW HOW TO SPEND OUR HARD-EARNED MONEY. WAKE UP - I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR YOU GUYS - YOU NO LONGER KNOW HOW TO THINK FOR YOURSELF!!!!!!!!! TRY IT, IT MAY CATCH ON.

Posted by: chris666 | October 16, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

SOMEHOW, obama wants us to take our eyes off of his character. WHY?????? ?????

if the economy is what you are worried, you DAMN WELL BETTER KNOW THE CHARACTER OF THE PERSON YOU INTEND TO PUT IN CHARGE OF IT!!!

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | October 16, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Just went to Factcheck.com. Confirmed that Eugene Robinson and Barney Frank are indeed gay lovers. I guess that explains Robinson's blind compassion for liberals. He and EJ wrote their columns before the debate.

Posted by: Cobra2 | October 16, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

When I watched the debate a second time I realized that some of the "sneers" from McCain were actually his attempts to look at Obama and calmly smile during his answers. Let's just say he didn't pull it off convincingly hehe.

Posted by: MarcMyWords | October 16, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Am I theonly person who heard Mc cain claim that Obama voted against breyer for the Supreme Court. Obama wasnt in the senate so I dont understand how he could have voted on the nomination. Did Mc Cain lose 10 years?

Posted by: scott68543 | October 16, 2008 12:53 AM
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Yes! My husband and I were also surprised by that McCain claim. Also, McCain inexplicably linked Supreme Court judges with the time (laudable) that he was part of the bipartisan effort to overcome a Republican-created/Democrat-blocked problem with controversial (to Democrats) judicial appointments. I felt embarrassed for McCain. He appeared to be having a senior moment.

Posted by: multiplepov | October 16, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"Share the wealth"? Theodore Roosevelt was all about "share the wealth'. He strongly backed the estate tax on the wealthy as a means of equalizing matters in society and preventing perpetuation of large fortunes and the imbalanced power that goes with them. McCain claims to be a Teddy Roosevelt Republican but he seems to have forgotten what TR espoused.

Posted by: emainland | October 16, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

The McCain folks here continue to be nasty and condescending, just like their candidate.

Thanks for the gift guys! Obama up 15...lets go for 25!

Posted by: MarcMyWords | October 16, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

In the interest of fairness, it was not only McCain who made mistakes, to wit: Obama (forget the specific issue) stating, "I did..." when referencing an action taken by the Illinois legislature, where he often voted "Present".

Another thing being slightly overlooked, is that plans that McCain profers, can be evaluated based upon his record (good or bad). Plans that Obama offers are meerly what he has thought about, since his accomplishments have yet to be presented to the public.

Posted by: AWWNats | October 16, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

i just cant imagine some of HRC's former supporters who are now supporting obama continuing with him in light of A.C.O.R.N., and as the realization that if obama was willing to cheat thru acorn, he has done so in the past. DID OBAMA WIN IOWA, ETC.? OR DID HE GET IT VIA VOTER FRAUD??????

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | October 16, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse


FEAR! FEAR! FEAR!

Posted by: joesixpack4obama | October 16, 2008 2:24 AM
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i have been too embarrassed to ask, but what the hell - can someone explain to me what people mean when they say Whites "FEAR" electing obama?

i dont get it. something i have completely missed, but i sincerely dont know what you mean when you say that.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | October 16, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

McCain just tightened OHIO to two points.... so my guess is the writer above, though clearly in tank for obama is wrong about mcCain's stock?

well the best stock market players have lost their shirts in the past. being wrong is not a bad thing - - we all do it from time to time, and JOHN? he's used to people counting him out.. It just makes him sharpen his strategy all the more.

Look at the money obama's throwing around and look where obama is in the polls... shouldnt he be able to hold double digits for at least a week? Instead he barely gets to double digits and only holds for two days?

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | October 16, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

McCain's stock plunging? Think "junk bonds."

Posted by: michael_ds | October 16, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

am i the only one who notices that everyone of the anti-obama comments sound like they are coming from dumb , illiterate people? duh, double duh

Posted by: coolgolf | October 16, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

The McCain folks here continue to be nasty and condescending, just like their candidate.
Posted by: MarcMyWords | October 16, 2008 2:53 PM
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you see facts as conescending.
how about you just meet it with your own vision of truth.

obama has been a liar and with all due respect you are not willing to admit it. you wasted a post complaining instead of rebutting the specific thing you found untrue?

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | October 16, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I am wondering if John McCain even fully understands the exact nature of Sarah Palin's babys condition? He kept referring to her "special understanding" of autism...he does know that Trig has Down's Syndrom, which is not at all the same thing as autism, right?!

Posted by: mcamele | October 16, 2008 8:02 AM
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I noticed that, too! I kept wondering whether Palin had *another* special needs child but no, it was apparently a senior moment. Contrary to all the claims that the "liberal mainstream media" are beating up on McCain, my impression is that they're being very kind to him, taking his goofs (even when they're not one-time slips of the tongue but repeated several times during a debate) and interpreting them for what he *meant* to say.

Posted by: multiplepov | October 16, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I concur, McCain was prickly, peevish and whiny. It is particularly unseemly to see 72 year old to act like unbalanced teenager. Obama's maturity far exceeds his.

Posted by: tydicea | October 16, 2008 12:40 AM
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look at your evaluation?
want to apply those descriptive words to yourself?

why are you complete with all the lies obama is telling but cant get out of?

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | October 16, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

by the way - on another note - i came across obama's ANSWER to the Eastern District Court of Pennsylvania, Berg vs. Obama.

Obama's answer failed to address the Complaint. obama DID NOT produce his birth certificate into evidence as to why the suit should be dropped, instead he is making a case that no one has been harmed as a result of him not producing it. i find that very strange.

could it be that this is why McCain is so confident? if obama can not qualify as a legal bona fide natural born american under our laws, he will be found guilty of fraud - A FELONY!

FELONS GO TO JAIL, not the White House.... THE BIG HOUSE.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | October 16, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Typical Republican Debate Gimmick!!

Turns out, Good old Joe the plumber was contacted by the McCain campaign to show up at the debate, OWES back taxes, and doesn't even have a damn plumbers liscense!!

His neighbors are also now singing that he lives in a 40K house, and even if someday he did own this plumbing business, he would never make anywhere near 250K.

So why did the numb nutz even ask the question??

Joe seems to have a lot in common with Sarah Palin- Completely unqualified FRAUDS being used by the Republican machine!!

Sheesh, if you are going to be bold enough to try to pull off those lies, at least be smart enough to pick someone who is who you say they are!!!!!

LOL

Bloomberg article on the taxes---
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aWDHvDjnDnTs&refer=home

Posted by: misssymoto | October 16, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Joe seems to have a lot in common with Sarah Palin- Completely unqualified FRAUDS being used by the Republican machine!!
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felony FRAUD is a man who would forge a birth certificate and put it up on a web site, but when asked to produce simply wont!!!

FRAUD is a man who bribes ACORN by giving them $800,000 and having them wear shirts with "ACORN VOTES OBAMA" on it, EVEN THO THEY CLAIM THEY ARE BI-PARTISAN...

take your medicine::::: you are standing behind a fraud... now quickly, GET AWAY FROM THERE!!!

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | October 16, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

McCain has run out of ideas and can only try desperately to attack Obama's character .
Obama is confident and sticks to the issues .
McCain seems nervous and crotchety - unable to offer anything constructive !

Posted by: joelist | October 16, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

SOMEHOW, obama wants us to take our eyes off of his character. WHY?????? ?????

if the economy is what you are worried about, you DAMN WELL BETTER KNOW THE CHARACTER OF THE PERSON YOU INTEND TO PUT IN CHARGE OF IT!!!

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | October 16, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

ISSUE ONE is obama's character.
if you dont get that right there is no other issue.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | October 16, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

It's really quite basic.

McCain has been in Washington for almost 30 years, the bulk of those under Republican administrations.

What has he done? Can YOU name one piece of legislation he introduced? Didn't think so. Neither could I.

A long time friend and protector of Big Oil
that he has been, McCain is simply tossing out campaign buzz words like Green jobs, energy independence that are as meaningless and alien to him today as they have for 30 years. Born again, Senator?
How dare you expect that americans be so stupid, sir. WHERE YA BEEN FOR 30 YEARS?

Time to flush you and the rest of the republicans down the toilet, as you and your republican friends have done to the average "Joe" long ago.

It will be enjoyable watching the last death throes of Republican rule, as well as watching Hannity blow out his "O" ring in exasperation and panic.

Posted by: jfern03 | October 16, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I agree. McCain has spent his whole life as "prickly, peevish, and whiny" The current issue of Rolling Stone has an excellent article about the life of John McCain...born into privledge, spoiled brat, like Bush having everything handed to him in life because of his famous family name, etc....everything except what he wanted most....the Presidency!
Obama 08

Posted by: logcabin1836 | October 16, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

The base fact remains, folks, that we must create value in the economy if anything is going to get paid for. Obama's plan has gaping holes here. Who is going to pay for, say, universal health care? Someone has to pay. Doctors, nurses and drug comanies all have to be paid. I can guarantee you it will NOT be the top 5% of earners. The gov't can raise the tax rate, but we have known for some time that doing so will actually reduce the amount of taxes collected. We need to encourage investment capital in this country, now more than ever. I sincerely hope Obama is compassionate enough to do an about face on his tax plan after he wins. The time to raise taxes on the top 5% is during a heated economy, when money is flowing freely. Someone please reassure me that Obama's inflexibility on this issue is due to the fact that his political opponent would say he was a flip flopper.

Posted by: primegrop | October 16, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Well Eugene , fortunately enough , the
" Bradley effect " still exists in our reality , don't forget that

Posted by: michel1835 | October 16, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Eugene, Palin doesn't know where New hampshire is, but I'm sure she can see it from Alaska, and McCain doesnt know what decade this is! I don't think this country can stand another impbecil in the WH.

Posted by: sfilutze | October 16, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden says: This election can be summed up in 3 (three) letters: J.O.B.S.

How does someone this dumb manage to not fatally injure himself each day?

Posted by: pgr88 | October 16, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Somebody needs to remind Mr. McCain that the line-item veto has been ruled unconstitutional.

Also, did I hear him right last night? Did he actually tell Mr. Obama that the reason he's run such negative ads is that Obama refused to attend any town-hall meetings? If that doesn't smack of poor sportsmanship, I don't know what does!

Posted by: rweiss2 | October 16, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I used to like John McCain, but I realize now that he is just a rude, nasty old man who is looking increasingly unhealthy. His eyes twitch and his left hand ws trembling. Maybe some of the decent McCain would come back if he were to win, but I can't take that chance and I certainly can't take the chance that he wouldn't survive his term and have a far right wing nut job, who has no problem with inciting her crowds to say violent things, become the president.

Posted by: creatia52 | October 16, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET FRAUD AND BLIND GREED HAS KILLED SUPER-CAPITALISM

Thanks to GOP Republican Wall Street fraud, the International Banking System will no longer use capitalism.

Asia and Latin America will stay far away from American super-capitalism.

Europe will demand transparency and strict enforcement of International Banking Laws for ALL NATIONS, especially the United States.

Europe views Wall Street CEOs and investors as criminals unworthy of trust who must be closely monitored commensurate with their dishonest nature.


DEMOCRACY RISING RALLIES TO EDUCATE AND EMPOWER AMERICAN CITIZENS


COMMERCIAL ALERT AND CITIZEN RIGHTS
(PROTECT AMERICAN FAMILIES, COMMUNITIES, U.S. DEMOCRACY FROM WALL STREET FRAUD AND CORPORATE CORRUPTION)


THE RICH ARE STEALING AND SELLING AMERICA: STOP THEM!!!


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SUPER RICH GOP REPUBLICAN MILLIONAIRES / BILLIONAIRES ARE HIDING $3TRILLION STOLEN FROM THE TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE) IN FOREIGN BANKS, PROPERTIES AND SWEATSHOPS.

CONFISCATE ALL PROPERTIES (DOMESTIC / FOREIGN) BELONGING TO RICH REPUBLICANS INVOLVED WITH ROBBING THE TREASURY AND RETURN THE $3TRILLION TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

IT IS RIGHT TO PROSECUTE ACTS OF TREASON AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

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Since 1929, Republicans and Democrats have each controlled the presidency for nearly 40 years. So which party has been better for the American pocketbook? If you invested $10,000 exclusively under either Democratic or Republican administrations, this is how you would you have fared:

From 1929 to 2008, $10,000 invested in S & P under the GOP Republican Presidency would have grown to $11,733. ($51,211 if you exclude Herbert Hoover’s presidency during the Great Depression)

From 1929 to 2008, $10,000 invested in S & P under the Democratic Presidency would have grown to $300,671.

Democrats have always been better for the American People, than GOP Republicans.

GOP Republican high propensity for Greed and Fraud has finally destroyed their Wall Street Golden Goose.

Give the GOP Republican criminals handcuffs and property confiscation.


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AMERICA, EUROPE AND THE WORLD NEED HEALING THROUGH FORWARD THINKING IRISH-AMERICAN HARVARD LAW SCHOLAR BARACK OBAMA


When Obama ends the illegal GOP Republican Iraq War, $1Trillion will flow back into the United States and create a million American jobs through the multiplier effect.

Obama loves America, while GOP Republican McCain loves tax loopholes for the rich.

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Posted by: dwashington1 | October 16, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

There are prediction markets where you can take a prediction on future events, much like a futures contract in the commodity markets.

More accurate than any opinion poll in 2004, Intrade is now predicting a decisive Obama win:

http://www.intrade.net/;jsessionid=CCE1D451823C7A176F97EDB05405BA69

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 16, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Question: What is America 's first line of missile interceptor defense that protects the entire United States ?
Answer: 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard.


Question: What is the ONLY National Guard unit on permanent active duty?
Answer: 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard


Question: Who is the Commander in Chief of the 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard?
Answer: Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska

Question: What U.S. governor is routinely briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counter terrorism?
Answer: Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska

Question: What U.S. governor has a higher classified security rating than either candidate of the Democrat Party?
Answer: Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska

According to the Washington Post, she first met with McCain in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a woman used
to keeping secrets. She can be entrusted with our national security, because she already is.

Posted by: bmayhewbz@hotmail.com | October 16, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

OK MCCAIN FAITHFUL, DON'T BELIEVE THE MEDIA WHO WANT THIS RACE TO BE OVER
THIS JUST IN

GALLUP POLL (LIKELY VOTERS)
THURS. OCT 16

OBAMA - 49
MCCAIN - 47

www.drudgereport.com

Posted by: TonyV1 | October 16, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

dwashington1,
Please post your source for the S&P claims you make. No offense, but your post is highly dubious. If those figures are true, then we could all benefit from knowing that the source is credible. Don't you think?

Posted by: primegrop | October 16, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey bmayhewbz@hotmail.com - maybe Palin's like General Patton? It's good that she can see across the Bering Strait so she can aim those missiles that are being manned by her missile battalion.

Hey with these military qualifications she should be made head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Can we get a shot of her riding in a tank - Dukakis style?

This is greats stuff! ROFLMAO

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 16, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey TonyV1 - why don't you check the Gallup web site instead of relying on the Drudge Report?

http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx

I just did and they have Obama at 51 and McCain at 45 for Likely voters.

"Reality has a liberal bias" - Stephen Colbert

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 16, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

You know that the cons are so desperate when they are now going on and on about theses crazy lawsuits that are being filed against Obama.

Any crackpot with the filing fees can start one. It doesn't mean they will go anywhere.

Like that law suit to stop the Hadron SuperCollider from going on line because it would send the world into a black hole.

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 16, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Real Brother here.

I just want to harken back to about three weeks ago, when the Racists, White Supremacists and Black man hating lesbians were saying that there was an "October Surprise".

We all knew that the surprise would be Rev. Wright or Bill Ayers or both(possibly a tape of Michelle Obama calling Whitey, Whitey). Now at that time I said, yes, bring on some Swift Boat type nonsense and try to paint Obama as a Terrorist and Anti-American and a Black Nationalist all you want, the public will see through it and scratch their heads and wonder why you Idiots are wasting time on nonsense when this Country is in a bad way. I predicted that it failed for Hillary and cost her the nomination and it would fail for McCain if he was DUMB enough to try it. I begged the Idiots to egg that fool on to do such a DUMB thing.


Well its October and sure enough the October surprise was Ayers(not so much Rev. Wright because he's just as sharp as Barack and he's Black and too obvious).

And sure enough the DUMB strategy has backfired.

Also, at the time I said that the mistake White Idiots would make is that when slinging mudd and nonsense didn't work, instead of abandoning the practice these Idiots would think that they weren't slinging enough mud and sling even more.

We went from taking the gloves off, to taking the lipsitick off the pitbull-but keeping the heels on.

My point is the Republicans are simply STUPID and its their STUPIDITY that is why they will lose this election. They are finally realizing that Barack Obama is a genius and a strategist bar none.

They should quit while they're behind.

TKCAL

Posted by: Realbrother0003 | October 16, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Real Brother here.

The thing about the polls that nobody is discussing is that 98% of the Blacks in this Country are going to vote for Obama.

Many White Supremacists(who think of the Black Race as genetically, socially, and culturally inferior but don't hate us) will vote for him.

The hard core Racists, White Supremacists and Black man hating lesbians support McCain and Palin.

Understand that the Racists, hard core White Supremacists and Black man hating lesbians (as well as many Mexicans who want to be White) are for lack of a better word DUMB, they will stay home if they think that McCain is a lock to win over Obama.

The Media would be doing Obama a disservice misleading the public by suggesting that Obama is leading or close because by suggesting this they motivate Racists and White Supremacists (Black man haters) to come out to vote which hurts Obama's chances.

So you Idiots need to stop telling the LIE that the media is falsely portraying Obama as slightly ahead because they want him to win. If the wanted him to win then they'd lie and say McCain was ahead thus causing more good, fair minded non-racists to turn out to elect him.

TKCAL

Posted by: Realbrother0003 | October 16, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

McCain trots out Joe the plumber only for us to find the next day that he is not a licensed plumber, isn't even close to buying a plumbing business, has a boss, also without a plumbers license, who actually owns and runs the company in a county and state that require that they both have plumbers licenses in order to legally operate.

Could any of that be any more typically Republican????

Posted by: buzzsaw1 | October 16, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse


John GRANPA SIMPSON Mc Cain is loosing it in more ways then one....but whats with his advisers - They just dont have a clue - which is a worry if he does somehow win - and I suspect that some poll/vote rigging , voter suppression and legal attacks is where these neocon desperado's will head next with Old John Wobbling behind..I just look at the "Joe the plumber" tactic (not strategy)...Mc Cains rallies and behaviour has been under the micoscope and the idiots think by dragging out a clip where Obama is talking nicely and rationally and answering a standard looking hard working guys questions and concerns - and potentially - as some think obviously - a republican Mc Cain guy - but alldone ina nice discussion cicil way - and sort of got his view across and both sort of agreed to disagree - all done nicely...and these knuckle heads keep dragiing it out and going "Joe thePlumber" - after all the "Joe Sixpack" stuff that I think worked against them - they keep trying this angle - but in fact it works for Obama...and yes imagine if a Democrat supporter (especially one with a good tan) tried to quesion Mc Cain /Palin at a few of the rallies in the past weeks....assault abuse booing - lynch mob..

But they are desperate and going through the right wing book of tricks - souds loike evn back to the days of Nixon and Reagan - so watch out - get out and vote - dont let them steal it for themselves - the last person they care about is Joe the Plumber or sixpack.....maybe Joe Camel

Posted by: colinemery | October 16, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

McCain was angry, querulous, and whiny last night. He got off a good line or two but his nasty attitude and unwillingness to address issues alienated a lot of voters.

Posted by: ElectricBill | October 16, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Watching John McCain last night was like downsized remake of the movie "Grumpy Old Men", but with only one "Grumpy Old Man" and Sen. McCain is neither as amusing nor as endearing as the actors in the original film.

Throughout this campaign, McCain has consistently given the impression of someone who is always angry. Why? Who knows? What I do know is that I do not want an angry man in the White House. We don't need someone with a short temper anywhere near the nuclear trigger.

Posted by: laSerenissima2003 | October 16, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

It's all over folks
Obama-Biden
2008

Posted by: shipfreakbo214 | October 16, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Do any of the McCain supporters posting here have anything he said during the actual debate itself to substantiate their claims that he won or that his policies are worth voting for?

Or if not that how about his mannerisms? I don't really hear anyone refuting the claims about how McCain acted and spoke in a very sophomoric and misinformed way.

Posted by: Kiyoryu | October 16, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

McCain came across as an unhappy little boy talking about the hurtfulness of some of the comments at Obama's rallies. Has he heard what Governor Pallin has been saying about Obama at the rallies that she is allowed to speak at?

Posted by: oliver6 | October 17, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

McCain's tautological comment that he is not George Bush was OK, but it left him open for Obama's obvious but still a home run response that by your votes we shall know thee.

Posted by: ejs2 | October 17, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"McCain’s mention of ACORN was surely met with blank stares in living rooms across the land."

It sounds like you are suggesting that McCain should better reflect the lowest common denominator of American ignorance (perhaps while dining on lobster, Iranian caviar and champagne in the secluded confines of the Waldorf Astoria?).

It's the blank stares in the media that have led to those blank stares in American living rooms. The reason we don't know much about ACORN is because the media refuses to cover their history or the current indictments and FBI investigations into their unlawful practices. ACORN is a multi-million-dollar multinational conglomerate that deserves at least a quick Google by all cognizant voters. It doesn't take long to discover why elitists on the Left don't want us to know about ACORN: it would constitute yet another damaging association in the smoke&mirrors past of their presidential candidate. (Hullo? Obama won't even disclose his SAT scores!)

What I can't figure out is WHY, why the media, yourself included, is AWOL on the ACORN issue (+Wright +Ayers/Dohrn +Rezko +Auchi +Khalidi +Qazwini -- not to mention all those under-$200 donations to the Obama campaign that came from the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa). There seem to be no journalists left standing who would actually investigate something they themselves would prefer not to know. It appears that you're trying, with all your collective might, to put Obama in the White House... No Matter What.

A Cuban-American who was lucky enough to escape Communist Cuba in 1968 recently warned:

"... when the young leader said, "I will be for change and I'll bring you change," everyone yelled, "Viva Fidel!" But nobody asked about the change, so by the time the executioner's guns went silent the people's guns had been taken away. By the time everyone was equal, they were equally poor, hungry, and oppressed. By the time everyone received their free education it was worth nothing. By the time the press noticed, it was too late, because they were now working for him. By the time the change was finally implemented Cuba had been knocked down a couple of notches to Third-World status. By the time the change was over more than a million people had taken to boats, rafts, and inner tubes."

All Americans -even those who work for the Democrat Party's Washington Post- should take heed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0GeVdrPxSw

Posted by: Avigdor18 | October 18, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Your oberservations of the debates Mr. Robonson are so one sided as to make any of your observations Invalid and or not worth listening to because you are so biased that you don't see the pipmples on the face of Obama your candidate. Obama tax policies and views are in fact so left wing that htey almost result in a denunciation of Capitilism and are pro socialism. Robin Hood like ideas rob from teh rich "Obama's definition- Families working couples that make over 25 thousand" and give to those that made bad decisions, illegal imigrants who need free heath care. Etc.. The polls haven;t closed yet. The fat lady hasn;t sung. McCain might yet gain the experrience he doesn't have back in the Senate where he still needs to garnor experience.

Posted by: politicalobserver1 | October 20, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

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