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The Town Hall Debate: In Praise of Complete Sentences

Is it “presidential” to speak in clear sentences that have a beginning, a middle and an end? If so, we heard a very presidential Barack Obama in tonight’s debate -- a man who was fluid and precise in explaining his policies and in critiquing those of his opponent.

John McCain, in contrast, seemed stiff and uncomfortable, explaining himself in sentence fragments and jokes and gests that didn’t quite register. He looked awkward whether he was standing or sitting, and his speech was that of a man who wants to chide his opponent and assert his own fitness for office -- but can’t explain himself or his policies in clear language that forms complete sentences and paragraphs -- or even complete thoughts.

Or am I being elitist, in arguing that case for coherence? I hope not, but George Bush’s political success made us all wonder if the American people actually prefer someone who butchers his grammar and speaks in sentence fragments. What helped Bush, I think was that his botched diction seemed a relief in contrast to the high-minded prep-school tones of his rivals in 2000 and 2004, Al Gore and John Kerry.

Tonight, I thought Obama’s calm, measured speech was a winner.

Obama explained the Bush administrarion’s $700 billion financial rescue package clearly and succinctly, better than Bush himself has done. For a country trying to understand what the heck is going on in the economy, that was a service. He explained the damage that has been done by deregulation of financial markets. His line about how we have had an “archaic 20th century regulatory system for 21st century financial markets” was exactly right. And he explained, succinctly and coherently, what’s wrong with McCain’s health care plan.

McCain, in contrast, basically whiffed at the rhetorical ball. Sometimes he didn’t even swing. He doesn’t explain himself well, and he seems to know it. So he asserts, or blusters, or crows. And someone needs to tell him that he’s overdoing the “my friends” thing to the point that it is becoming grating.

A negative for Obama: Once again, he didn’t rise to the challenge of the economic crisis. You wouldn’t have known that the Dow fell 500 points today, or that global credit markets had frozen up, listening to his anodyne comments. Maybe that was politically smart, not to add to the country’s jitters right now. But it was as if both men were ignoring the elephant standing just offstage in the Tennessee lecture hall.

There’s no sign yet in Obama, of an FDR-like sense of the dimensions of the crisis and the need for action. But Obama at least was honest about need to prioritize, in the face of the severe economic downturn. He answered Tom Brokaw’s question and laid out his priorities -- energy, health care, education -- one, two, three.

McCain, in contrast, claimed we can “do it all” at once, and suggested it was un-American to think otherwise. “We’re not rifle shots here, we’re Americans,” he said in response to Obama’s effort to set priorities. I’m sorry, but what on earth did he mean by that?

And finally, since we’re all thinking about analogies to the Great Depression, am I the only person who finds something Hooveresque in McCain’s repeated insistence on the need to cut federal spending as a response to the economic crisis -- even to the point of calling for a spending freeze. That same kind of anti-government, anti-spending rhetoric was at the center of Hoover’s disastrously failed recovery plan.

People sometimes criticize Obama for being professorial. But tonight, I thought his calm, coherent explanations of policy were a distinct advantage. There’s nothing wrong with a man who speaks in full sentences. As the philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein observed: “If you can’t say it, you can’t whistle it, either.”

By David Ignatius  | October 7, 2008; 11:44 PM ET
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So I just saw a new poll come out....Dream tickets for the president. Huckabee/Palin comes out 5 to 1 over McCain/Palin. Perhaps the RNC should switch out McCain for Huckabee, they might have a better chance at the white house this year cause I just can't see Obama loosing at this point. The problem is news stations are already calling the race for Obama.....switch it up and have a chance, or should we all stay home and just let Obama take the white house?

see poll at http://www.mccanes.com/watchdebatevp.html

Funny Huckabee was just recently named Featured Debator of the year by WathcDebate.com, ironic that McCain would bomb so bad right after the runner up wins debater of the year. http://www.huckabeeshow.com

Posted by: pastor123 | October 8, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Watch a video of McCain dropping the F-Bomb
in a video http://www.mccanes.com

Posted by: pastor123 | October 8, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

ANOTHER BIG WIN FOR OBAMA!

Perhaps, it's more of another big LOSS for McCain.

Once again, Obama looked more presidential.

McCain looked and sounded like an angry and tired old man.

Obama articulated his points clearly.

McCain rambled on from point to point and failed to answer the questions he was asked.

Obama gave specific answers to how he would help the middle class.

McCain did not say "middle class" once!

This debate proves that McCain has no plan, other than to smear Obama... and tonight we learned that McCain isn't willing to get his hands dirty with the mud slinging. Apparently, he outsourced that task to the wicked witch of the west.
Another flawed plan... who takes Palin seriously anyway?

Posted by: jgarrisn | October 8, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

It hardly seems fair to ask McCain to use the English language as well as Obama. While McCain was not paying attention in high school or college, and ended his education at that point with his 894 rank out of 899 at the Naval Academy, Obama was excelling at Harvard Law School and writing two best-selling books w/o ghost writers. Obama is clearly a LOT smarter than McCain and his baptism of fire debating Hillary Clinton made him ready for more than McCain can bring. If you saw Obama debating a year ago, you saw a guy just not ready for that form of intellectual combat. Now? He's as good as debaters get. McCain? Well, he tries, but, my friends, he just doesn't have the chops for it -- and never will. His little smirks suggest he thinks he's winning and well, voters don't seem to agree with him.

We are well on our way to a landslide -- possibly 375 electoral votes for Obama. And, this nation needs for him to have enough support in Congress to get things done. Here's hoping the Dems will reach 60 or even 61 Senators. It's going to be a tough job undoing the incredible damage done to this nation by the neocons and their simple-minded stooge in the White House.

Posted by: dolph924 | October 8, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

"I being elitist, in arguing that case for coherence? I hope not . . . ." My God, what have we come to that such words can be said even in semi-jest? That the ability to think clearly and clearly articulate the products of that thinking might somehow be a negative is--or should be--frightening.

And it is. Fuzzy speech manifests fuzzy thought.

Posted by: owlcroft | October 8, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Why is "pastor 123" nattering on about Huckabee in the political blogs that are focused on tonight's presidential debate? Huckabee is where he belongs: on Fox News.

People talk about how Obama is "all talk," but the debates are giving him a chance to fill in the details about how he'd govern the country, and he's doing that very well. I agree with Ignatius.

Posted by: Heron | October 8, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

McCain "looked awkward whether he was standing or sitting" ... maybe his Depends was leaking.

Posted by: HughBriss | October 8, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Ignatius has summed up this debate very clearly and in complete sentences and paragraphs. He has McCain pegged. McCain is really an older Bush, speech patterns and all.

Posted by: EarlC | October 8, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm, should I congratulate you for your self-control in not even mentioning the appalling butchering the English language took last week at the hands of Sarah Palin? Or are you being too kind?

Not to mention that the lack of grammar and syntax was a just a fig leaf over the obvious lack of knowledge or substance.

Yes, clarity of language and thought matter. How else can we communicate?

Posted by: herzliebster | October 8, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

I saw something that I think most pundits missed. While Obama politely returned to his seat to look at and pay attention to McCain, McCain would often move in behind Obama or approach the audience when Obama was speaking. McCain seemed to make obvious attempts to move into Obama's personal space when Obama was giving his responses. I, for one, found this tactic rude. Clearly, McCain was hoping to distract the audience away from Obama.

Since McCain left shortly after the debate was over, I guess McCain is saying that he clearly lost to that audience. Obama and Michelle seemed to engage the whole audience in spirited conversation for about a half hour or so after the debate. This was a BIG plus for Obama.

Posted by: EarlC | October 8, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Neat commentary. But I think the philosopher Wittgenstein was wrong. As just about every neurologist would agree, if you can't say it you just may be able to whistle it!

On the debate, Obama has two negative professorial qualities: (1) he wants to include every datum he has in his answers, when he would be better off sticking to the high-return items, as he showed tonight in his answer about Pakistan and getting Bin Laden; (2) he is unable to let a wrong-headed criticism or fact just go by him and hit the wall. He seems intent on answering every charge, even those without substance or displaying nothing but mean spirit. He would be better off just letting these go past him and hit the wall and slither down slowly, demanding their own negative attention. His insistent responses just call attention away from losers.

Posted by: ljwaks | October 8, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

from TPM on line

A slight correction,

Philosopher of the Month

August 2003 - Frank Ramsey

Peter Cave

Frank Plumpton Ramsey was born in 1903 and died in 1930, aged 26. Despite his short life - and the consequent small output of papers - Ramsey remains an influential figure, having left his mark not solely on philosophy (especially philosophical logic, probability theory and attempts to derive mathematics from logic), but also on economics and mathematics proper.

Ramsey, as a student and young don, impressed G E Moore, the great economist John Maynard Keynes (despite demolishing his theory of probability) and - an unusual achievement here - even the anguished genius, Wittgenstein. Indeed, Wittgenstein writes, in Philosophical Investigations, how Ramsey helped him - to a degree he is hardly able to estimate - to realise earlier mistakes. It was the young Ramsey who, with C K Ogden, first translated Wittgenstein's Tractatus, providing the wonderfully elusive last proposition, "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must remain silent". In criticism of the implied mysticism, Ramsey quipped, "But what we can't say we can't say, and we can't whistle it either."

Posted by: ibub66 | October 8, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Who won the debate?

Uh . . .

"That one."

Education usually outperforms ignorance in the end. Just ask Bush. Hopefully, this time people take it from Gore: "Elections matter!"

Posted by: a_skeptic | October 8, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Actually, Obama did let a lot of negative comments just go by. McCain gave so many obvious openings for Obama to hit it out of the park. I respect Obama's reserve. I suspect that Obama knows not to use his ammunition unwisely. Afterall, there is one debate left. Obama left a lot of ammunition in his arsenal. McCain basically blew up everything he had except the Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright issues -non-winners.

Obama demonstrated again why he is truly a biparitsan politician. There is nothing wrong with Obama sticking with the Democratic leadership when Bush-Cheney have led a disasterous administration, an administration which McCain has supported over 90% of the time.

Posted by: EarlC | October 8, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Regarding McCain's Hooveresque comments: Yes! I thought the same thing too. It struck me as desperately out-of-touch to speak of a contraction in spending.

I was going to mention Frank Ramsey but I see that's already been done :)

I think we can now call an Obama win - in the Presidential race, I mean ... as for the debate, it's neither here nor there. It was McCain's to lose all along.

Posted by: ChangeyMcOptimism | October 8, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

David, I think you are being too kind to McCain's dreadful performance in Debate #2. McCain sounded like the village idiot. How he got this far in the race is a mystery. I found his continual "my friend" patronizing and insulting.

Obama certainly sounded presidential. I agree he has not sounded like he grasps the economic crisis, but maybe he doesn't want to scare the hell out of voters. His calm demeanor leads me to believe he would try his best for the us little guys.

Posted by: rmorris391 | October 8, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Very well stated.

McCain was, once again, the angry old man on the porch - "that one". This one's gonna sting for a while, McCain was a disaster - and a weasel. If you're going to play the Ayers card Mr Mccain- at least have the nads to do it to his face.

Posted by: houston_progressive | October 8, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse


I think that the problem isn't McCain's inability to form complete sentences. His running mate has cornered the market on that issue. The disrespectful attitude he chooses to address those with whom he disagrees will not serve him nor us if he's elected President.

'That one' -- the guy who will look his opponent in the eye and address him by his name will politely defeat him soon...and he'll have to acknowledge it.

Posted by: dsa80 | October 8, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

McCain's wheezing and twitching were hilarious. Otherwise he put me to sleep. I would just tune him out because I didn't understand his mumbling and hiSSSSSSing. Horrid.

Obama on the other hand was great today. Sure, the debate didn't have the depth it shouldn't but him talking about his mother dying from cancer sure drove the point about his commitment to universal health insurance.

All that McLoco could mumble in reply was "mandates, mandates"... "how big a fine". What an idiot. No wonder he was at the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy. My wife actually felt sorry for the incoherent geezer.

Posted by: alarico | October 8, 2008 1:58 AM | Report abuse

alarico:

"...McCain's wheezing and twitching were hilarious. Otherwise he put me to sleep. I would just tune him out because I didn't understand his mumbling and hiSSSSSSing. Horrid..." If I were 30 years younger I might have said the same. I down and outright thought that he was going to flat-line right there on the floor. His health is failing fast. It'd be fair to say that McCain was sharper about 3 weeks ago. But when push comes to shove, we Americans need to wake up, smell the coffee and vote...for Obama.

Posted by: gogonzo | October 8, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

Hear, hear! As an English teacher, I am all for complete sentences. Contrary to what Bush and his supporters claim, there is nothing inherently virtuous about illiteracy and ignorance.

Posted by: motherforobama | October 8, 2008 2:17 AM | Report abuse

It's really kind of sad to see how his age is catching up with McCain. A presidential campaign is a man-killer but then the job itself is worse .. after eight years Obama is going to be gray all over.

McCain had trouble remembering three topics. He's fading. I doubt he would last a year in office. He should rest and relax.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | October 8, 2008 2:53 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand what all the fuss/B.S. is about with respect to the organization ACORN and its purported voter fraud machinations. If ACORN had any power in this country, it would be in Los Angeles... ACORN has one of its very largest chapters in Los Angeles. As a landlord/tenant lawyer, I volunteer at ACORN's tenants' rights clinic from time to time. Let me assure each one of you that believe the hype about ACORN's purported voter-fraud successes: ACORN could not organize itself out of a paper bag, much less organize a voter fraud agenda! Just check out their annual budget. Check out their office space. Hell, attend one of their political "rallies." Then see if you can believe in your wildest dreams that this organization could initiate, much less run, a voter-fraud scheme even if their lives depended on it. Personally, based upon my own experience, I'll believe ACORN is running a voter-fraud scheme somewhere in America as soon as I hear Sarah Palin speak two complete, substantive sentences in a row. Not in this lifetime.

Posted by: what3 | October 8, 2008 3:04 AM | Report abuse

I think McCain came across much more knowledgable and experienced. Obama is a fine debater but you can tell that many of the subjects discussed are fairly new to him. Where McCain speaks from a depth of experience, Obama often comes acrross as the guy who just looked it up last week and knows the facts of certain issues but has no real working understanding.

Posted by: noelpautsky | October 8, 2008 4:49 AM | Report abuse

“We’re not rifle shots here, we’re Americans,” he said in response to Obama’s effort to set priorities. I’m sorry, but what on earth did he mean by that?

___________________________

It made sense to me: a rifle shot takes out a single target, so one must prioritize. Whereas John McCain intends his administration to operate like a 17th century blunderbuss, spraying ruin in all directions at once.


But his metaphor was far less obscure than Al Gore's opaque "WHAT ABOUT DINGELL-NORWOOD?!?" attack on W in 2000. If ever there were a textbook written on how to flub a devastating kill-shot, this would have to be front and center. (Opposed by Bush, Dingell-Norwood was the pending federal version of the Patients' Bill of Rights legislation Bush opposed on a state level as TX Gov., then claimed credit for after it passed, veto-proof, without his signature. The exchange would've shown up W as a huge liar and hypocrite, but only if people had known what in the hell Gore was talking about).

Posted by: youarestillidiots | October 8, 2008 5:08 AM | Report abuse

Remember that McCain is an old sailor and the Navy was never the epicentre of the English language.

Secondly, McCain is now in the last chance, last dance saloon and too old to stand for election again, even as a senator, just like Bob Dole vs. Bill Clinton. And that was during the good times (relatively speaking) when he was using old, stale ideas of 1950s to solve modern problems.

I think McCain will probably decree to have fins back on cars on his first day of (now distant) presidential rule.

But I see a completely different America: the Weimar Republic is taking form with the socialists (Dems.) vs. Anarchists (Reps.) and just like the W.R., the USD will devalue---rapidly!....
Alternatively, refer to Keynes' warning to the British Cabinet in 1916-17 that spending £1 million a day on the war (with France) would irreversibly shift shift power across the Atlantic. Today, a collapse in the dollar as a reserve currency could result in a similarly irreversible transfer of hegemony to China.

Posted by: hgcsato | October 8, 2008 5:14 AM | Report abuse

It surprises me to read this criticism because two of my long-term issues with Obama have been his carelessness with English grammar and his tendency to grunt, groan, and stammer any time he needs to think. He must have found good coaches. Last night, we saw him well-prepped on a good night, not the Obama I have heard for months in less formal settings. Give him good marks for improvement!

It is a new low in the dialogue to describe a permanently injured former POW as stiff and awkward in comparison to a younger man without such challenges.

Obama has ridden the wave of this country, although, at his center, he seems never to have liked it very much.

Posted by: lalo60 | October 8, 2008 6:41 AM | Report abuse

McCain looks like a character out of a Dickens novel. Okay, well, let's be precise, he looks like Scrooge. He talks like Scrooge. He is scroogey. He is also toast. As McCain sinks further and further in the polls, the high pitched shrill whine of Palin will only get louder.

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | October 8, 2008 7:26 AM | Report abuse

A debate is two opponents arguing, point-counterpoint, a set of issues. America hasn't enjoyed a true debate between its presidential candidates since 1960. Two candidates being asked questions by a nationally respected moderator and then doing their best to avoid the questions and recite their talking points isn't a debate, whether the talking points are in full though ambiguous sentences or in fragments huffed and puffed by someone exhibiting a muddled thought process. I, for one, would very much like to have these two candidates debate each other in the traditional point-counterpoint format. These television question and no-answer sessions are sorely lacking.

Posted by: candorman | October 8, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Finally! I was beginning to think I was the only one who wanted a president who seemed smart and capable rather than one who was "just like me and someone I could see having a beer with."

Posted by: sarahabc | October 8, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Ignatius: it's "jests," not "gests." I'd check my spelling before critiquing someone else's grammar.

Posted by: why1201 | October 8, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

I support Obama and thought the debate was a draw on policies and Obama won big in presentation and the hyped mistake that one. Obama won the domestic issues with McCain scoring points on his housing buyout and refinancing. McCain won the foreign policy issues on Russia, lost on Afghanistan, drew on Pakistan and depending on your view Iraq went either way. Israel had nearly identical positions. Iran was where there was major differences and talking to enemies I think was a winning point. Ayers attacks with Palin and a hour long discredited Hannity guest that is a rabid anti-semite as pointed out by Gibbs of the Obama campaign will turn off many voters when the news hits. Ayers attacks have now become toxic coming from such a bigoted source. Hannity became subdued and passive after the attack showing his lack of vetting his guest. Dan Rather lost his job by pushing too fast and Hannity will probably be on Murdoch's carpet with some splaining to do Lucy.

Posted by: jameschirico | October 8, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm right there with you. Call me an elitist, but I prefer an intelligent, articulate president who is calm in a time of crisis and who can explain things to me in a way I can understand. It doesn't matter if he (or she) uses three-syllable words or compound sentences. I don't think Obama should be penalized for learning something in school.

I think the debate was a tie, and I don't think debates are useful anymore. All candidates are heavily scripted--and rightly so given the MSM's magnification of mistakes. Listeners hear the same talking points over and over again. The candidates are afraid to clarify or offer more specifics for fear of negative poll numbers. I could hardly stay awake.

I'm an Obama supporter, but a part of me feels badly for McCain. Obama is brilliant and articulate and new. Unfortunately for McCain, Americans prefer youth and optimism. McCain has neither.

Posted by: Seneca7 | October 8, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Well my friends, the GOP has used populism while courting the religous right, dontcha know, to advance their neocon agenda, doggone it, to start wars and make the rich even richer. wink wink.

My friends, bad grammar, diction and usage, is part and parcel of the Madison Avenue sales pitch they've developed.

Posted by: McCainIsPopeye | October 8, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Careful there, David. If you can spell "Wittgenstein," you just might be one o' them elitists I've been hearing so much about.

Posted by: jamshark70 | October 8, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Ignatius: "There’s no sign yet in Obama, of an FDR-like sense of the dimensions of the crisis and the need for action. But Obama at least was honest about need to prioritize, in the face of the severe economic downturn. "


Speaking of grammar and sentence structure, why are there commas in there? Neither one belongs. So much for your complaining about one's education... (Or are you just testing us to see if we're paying attention?)

Obama stared (almost glared) at McCain as if he were trying to stare him down...even behind his back. Looking at somebody when they are speaking to you is courteous, but he seemed to be giving McCain the "evil eye."

Posted by: flipper49 | October 8, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Could it be that the US will vote for someone intelligent, instead of a "prejudice" tweaker? McCain/Palin are like walking cartoons and Huckabee is no better.

Posted by: frayedcat | October 8, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Thank you! Is it elitist to want the best and brightest to represent us? Is it elitist to want to feel pride when our leader represents us well on the world stage? I'm offended when politicians, or anyone else for that matter, feel the need to dumb down their speech in order to make me feel comfortable. We need a leader. President Bush hasn't been able to explain the financial crisis and the reasons he's advocating the steps his administration proposed. As a result, I'm not convinced thoughtful, deliberate, intelligent decisions are being made. The US doesn't have simple problems. We don't need leaders who give us platitudes.

Posted by: MNUSA | October 8, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

This has become almost surreal..like a bad dream that returns each debate night...after awakening the next morning you pray it was all a dream, but then you turn on CNN and your worst fears are confirmed.

Posted by: dontmakememovetocanada | October 8, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

It was no contest. McCain appeared lost and confused at times, and was meandering in all directions on stage. His answers were vague and usually off topic. I thought Obama answered the questions as they were asked. Obama seemed confident and had excellent stage presence. More telling to me was how fast McCain got off stage and out of the hall. Obama and his wife stayed and had a meet and greet with the crowd. McCain and wife were long gone. He knew he had his lunch handed to him, or perhaps he was once again headed back to Washington to help "lead" in the bailout crisis.

Posted by: bretb | October 8, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Thank you!
I would say more but you said it best.

Posted by: KMfromVT | October 8, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

The ability to express thoughts clearly and logically is a measure of one's thought process. Obama has a keen intellect and a superb ability to gather and interpret facts that McCain does not. Let's not even go into Palin.

For me, clear thinking is an absolutely critical requirement for the President. McCain has consistently made mistakes in judgment, whether the issue is deregulation or invading Iraq. So I don't think that McCain has a clear mind, but isn't able to communicate his thoughts. What we hear from him is what we get.

I also thought McCain seemed feeble last night. Perhaps his shuffling around the stage was related to injuries he suffered in the past, but it gave the appearance of someone whose body is failing him. We all age at different rates, so there's no magic chronological age when we start losing our physical and mental capacity. I strongly object to discrimination on the basis of chronological age by itself. But it is important and fair to ask where McCain is on his inevitable downhill slide toward the end of his life. The next President will face enormous challenges that will tax even the most able mind. I got the distinct impression last night that Obama has it and McCain does not.

Posted by: JonS | October 8, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

@why1201:

gest: a tale of adventure (Merriam-Webster)

Many of McCain's answers started with this.

Posted by: WorkingDad | October 8, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I feel like breaking a la Don Meredith on Monday Night Football.

Adios, McCain.

"....turn out the lights, the party's over.."

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Posted by: osmor | October 8, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Compared to Sarah Palin, McCain's sentence structure is quite coherent.

Posted by: Orion838 | October 8, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Are you a Republican frustrated with this elections cycle? If so, then you may need to take some ownership of the fact that you voted for George W. Bush, twice! Next time exercise better judgment and vote for competence instead of a best friend. Then maybe your party can hold on to power.

Posted by: drkatz73 | October 8, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

The clear difference between the two candidates is revealed in their ability to respond to questions about complex issues. Senator Obama, thoughtful and articulate, consistently demonstrates his considerable wit.

Senator McCain, distracted and derrogatory, consistently demonstrates his fundamental lack of intellectual grace. Watching his performance last evening, I was as disturbed by his nasty tone as I was annoyed by his snarky mistatements.

My friends are more considerate toward those with whom they differ.

Posted by: cheryllyne | October 8, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"John McCain, in contrast, seemed stiff and uncomfortable, explaining himself in sentence fragments and jokes and gests that didn’t quite register. "


I think we saw another example of the dangers Republicans face when not in front of an audience of their adoring fans. McCain's jokes and jabs from last night probably would have inspired a room full of Republican fanatics, but fell flat otherwise.

Like Bush before him, I get the feeling that McCain has seen too many overtly friendly audiences and not enough of reality. He may not done tons of town hall meetings, but apparently not that many that really challenged him to win over voters. So, like Bush, he fails to realize that the nation has changed in the last 8 years. We're not that center-right country we've heard about for years. Their audience has dwindled and their jokes and jabs no longer play like they once did.

It's truly time for change all around.

Posted by: lightgrw | October 8, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

My friends, McCain will cut taxes, freeze spending on everything but the military, and tackle energy, health care, and entitlements reform simultaneously, my friends. My friends, he is also going to set up a government program to buy up all those pesky subprime mortgages at the same time he cuts our taxes and keeps the war in Iraq going while showing those Iranians a thing or two, my friends. Reagan and Bush II thought they could cut taxes and spend without limits too, and we all see how well that's working. McCain is not a man who thinks things through. A previous poster noted that he's less like a rifle than a 17th century blunderbuss, spewing destruction in all directions. Right on, my friend. McCain has the bluster of Teddy Roosevelt, the fiscal irresponsibility of Bush II, and the hunting etiquette of Dick Cheney.

Posted by: n_mcguire | October 8, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I absolutely agree with drkatz73. In fact, I think we should hold accountable all of those people who voted for the Bush/Cheney duo and, by doing so, utterly ruined our country. They ruined our economy, our standing in the world, and sacrified for their greed more than 4,000 of our beautiful young women and men. Now because of those ignorant and irresponsible 50.1% of the voters, all of us will need to work well into our nineties. Let's make them pay. At the least, we should confiscate the assets of the Bushes and the Cheneys!

Posted by: motherforobama | October 8, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

"I saw something that I think most pundits missed. While Obama politely returned to his seat to look at and pay attention to McCain, McCain would often move in behind Obama or approach the audience when Obama was speaking. McCain seemed to make obvious attempts to move into Obama's personal space when Obama was giving his responses. I, for one, found this tactic rude. Clearly, McCain was hoping to distract the audience away from Obama."

Earl C., rest assured you weren't the only one who noticed this and found it questionable. I'm not sure what greater meaning is involved, but doubtless behavior experts can explain it.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | October 8, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Sen. John McCain clearly won last night's debate.

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008.

Posted by: hclark1 | October 8, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

If McCain had pluck enough to go on the attack with both barrels, would it have the least effect? I wonder. There is nothing, it seems, that Obama could do that would be bad enough to eliminate him from this race. The problem is, that even when the MSM does get around to filing a report like the one just aired about Ayers on CNN, it lacks outrage. You may report the facts, but if you don't suggest for people just how bad what they are watching is in todays morally neutral environment, the people who are going to vote for Obama, will not get it. You can know their cluelessness by virtue of the fact they are supporting a man so obviously unqualified to run the most powerful country on earth. The media does actually take the time to expose how tragically wrong Obama is on occasion, Like Amir Taheri's expose on Obama's attempts to delay negotiations for removing our troops from Iraq published in the New York post.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm?page=0

Or, The article by Nick Pisa for the U.K's Telegraph about the horrible conditions his brother George Obama endures in Kenya, this story was widely mentioned in America. This is a story particularly salient in light of his "I am my brothers keeper" pronouncement during his DMC convention acceptance speech. Obama's hypocrisy truly knows no bounds.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2590614/Barack-Obamas-lost-brother-found-in-Kenya.html

Again, the article by Stanley Kurtz revealing the radical nature of the work Ayers and Obama did for "education" in Illinois was published in the Wall Street Journal, and Barrack remains unscathed.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html

The simple and dreadful truth is that the people who will support this man cannot be swayed, they operate on emotion not empiricism. We saw this same phenomenon with Bill Clinton. Obama makes them feel good. The fact that he is a minority is the last ingredient needed for the liberals to win this thing, it also helps that he has charisma, a trait that was sorely lacking in Gore and Kerry, or we would have had a democrat for president 8 years ago. I must also point out the dismal fact that their are more of them than us. George W. Bush won because he said the right things at the right time and was infinitely more likable than his opponents. Bush also had a heaping helping of guts, which served him well when he had to play hard, this is a trait sorely lacking in McCain.

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Posted by: digitalpublius | October 8, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

McCain was stiff because his war wounds make him so. You i----!

Posted by: ca2va1 | October 8, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse


Thoughts on the debate:

I thought the best moment for Obama came when he was talking about McCain's criticism of him being too green ... and McCain started laughing and said, "thank you," smirking toward the audience. The cameras then went to a two shot, and with McCain still laughing, Obama hit him with the "bomb, bomb, Iran" line.

Ooof! You could see the smile vanish from McCain's face. He looked like a fool. If it wasn't a knock out line, it certainly was a body blow.
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The "that one" line, to me, was an extremely telling one. No matter your politics, Barack Obama has a name and a title: Senator Obama. Can you imagine if Obama had said something like that? The Republicans would have gone ballistic.
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McCain kept talking about the need for a "cool hand at the till." I thought that was a HUGE missed opportunity for Obama in that McCain, according to conservative pundits, has been anything BUT a cool hand in recent weeks. From his saber rattling with Russia, to his wanting to fire Christopher Cox, to his "suspending" his campaign (a lie), to his pick of Sarah Palin, to last night's bizarre proposal about mortgages, this guy has been going off half-cocked.
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No one has really commented on McCain's "hair plug" joke, and how it landed with a loud thud. He was obviously trying to defuse questions about his age; instead, he reminded us of it. I looked right at his thinning hair when he said that, and it made me thinking more, and be more uncomfortable with, his rasping. He did not look well.
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I thought McCain made a major misstep in characterizing health care as a "responsibliity." -- He didn't explain WHOSE responsibility, but it was in keeping with his mean spiritedness. Obama stepped up and called it a "right," and connected it to his mother and family in a deeply moving moment.
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Finally, I thought the answer about priorities got right to the heart of the matter. McCain, afraid to step up, said we can "do it all." Obama, as a leader should, as a leader must, clearly defined his priorities: energy, economy, health care. Leadership. McCain waffled.

Posted by: monk4hall | October 8, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

What is a "gest?" Did you mean "jest," or perhaps "gesture?" Turn spell check on, FCS!

Posted by: gparshal | October 8, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

This 8-year epoch will be known for the steep decline of the economy AND of language. It has happened before never so precipitously. George Orwell wrote, in his great essay, Politics and the English Language: "A man may take to drink because he feels himself to be a failure, and then fail all the more completely because he drinks. It is rather the same thing that is happening to the English language. It becomes ugly and inaccurate because our thoughts are foolish, but the slovenliness of our language makes it easier for us to have foolish thoughts."

Posted by: JPSartre | October 8, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Yes,yes, we know: Obama is very articulate and clean. Give him the White House.

Posted by: forgetthis | October 8, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if I'm the only one who has noticed that even newspaper columnists who get paid to analyze policy are now spending their time commenting on campaign atmospherics.

Hooray! Sen. Obama delivers his talking points, to which he adheres with the intellectual equivalent of Crazy-Glue, in complete sentences -- although, ignoring the financial crisis last night was "a negative" for him. You don't say.

Obama ignored the federal deficit, too, in case no one noticed. His coherent, reassuring explanation of his health care plan ignored the fact that America already spends, per capita, far more on health care than other developed countries. Obama's tax cuts were explained in complete sentences much more than McCain's tax cuts were, which pretty much ignores the question of why he thinks we can afford tax cuts at all.

The business of the permanent campaign, having overwhelmed the business of government in this country, has evidently come to dominate the business of commentary on government as well. I suppose we ought to be thankful that paragraphs of analysis about how Obama looks like a better Presidential candidate than John McCain were accompanied by a sentence or two suggesting a thought relevant to whether he is likely to succeed as President.

Posted by: jbritt3 | October 8, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

About:

"I saw something that I think most pundits missed. While Obama politely returned to his seat to look at and pay attention to McCain, McCain would often move in behind Obama or approach the audience when Obama was speaking. McCain seemed to make obvious attempts to move into Obama's personal space when Obama was giving his responses. I, for one, found this tactic rude. Clearly, McCain was hoping to distract the audience away from Obama."

Earl C., rest assured you weren't the only one who noticed this and found it questionable. I'm not sure what greater meaning is involved, but doubtless behavior experts can explain it.
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I recall something disquieting to me about how McCain moved about while Obama was talking but it was hard to follow since the camera was mostly focused on Obama when he was talking.

Here's what I wrote about my impressions of the debate:


McCain, an angry rusty robot, Obama urbane, in Nashville knockabout

Brokaw said said McCain was trying to be the mischievous imp, but the candidate I saw looked like an angry rusty robot finding ways to insert just about all his stump speech attacks against Obama into non-answers to questions. Maybe it's just me but his interjecting "my friend" into every third sentence made him sound like a shifty salesman. He even called Obama "my friend" once, although he also pointed at him another time and referred to him with contempt as "that one" (video). Obama struck me as urbane, fitting all the definitions of the word... Continued here

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/11507

Posted by: stressline | October 8, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

"My friends", my petutie! That was so cheap, so fake, so John Mccain.

Posted by: OHREALLYNOW | October 8, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

In a nation of poorly educated citizens, one can get by with fuzzy speach and thinking... if you played this debate to a well educated european audience they would be aghast at Mccains' performance. Obama looked like he reviewed the Clinton/Bush debate and learned plenty from it. Be personable, speak clearly and move with grace. I am thrilled to see an intelligent person back in the white house!

Posted by: veroman | October 8, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Obama uses complete sentences. I just don't think the bar can go any lower at this point. I can't imagine that being possible.

Posted by: forgetthis | October 8, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I certainly would agree that McCain didn't speak well, but neither did Obama. It's just that Obama is very smooth about giving non-answers.

At one point, I recall Obama saying something to the effect of "we'll ensure that people get the help they need". HOW? What help? Making banks write off more mortgages, like McCain's example of readjusting home values on the mortgage.

These two should go back to being Senators and try to actually get something done. Their differences are hard to distinguish. Both want bigger government and more programs...resulting in higher taxes.

There are a lot of Republicans and Democrats who want to get out of this fiasco of more national debt and see it as the biggest issue. Only Libertarian candidate Bob Barr is for reducing government's size. Unfortunately, he has not been allowed to the debates to provide a contrast from the McBama message.

Posted by: AndyMN | October 8, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

McCain's plan for social security reform; we can do this my friend!

Posted by: tsugua | October 8, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I would also like to see someone in our government stand up and take on the Bush/Cheney regime. There is proof they lied, covered up and dehumanized the war with Iraq. If the families of our sacrificed soldiers or a District Attorney in a district that has lost soldiers came forward and filed charges against them the American people might just see justice served. If not jail time, perhaps as was suggested before, take their assests and sell them to pay down part of the debt they have brought on the American people. I also would like to address the characterization of Mr. McCain. Mr. McCain while in the Navy admittedly was careless with government equipment, crashing planes, and giving up information to the enemy. Soldiers who committed far less greivences have been courtmartialed. Ask another Veteran from Vietnam what they think of his "Maverick" actions. We as a Nation need to move forward and heal the wounds inflicted upon us by the last 8 years. We must so that the legacy of the United States is true for us and our children. The fear mongering and petty schoolyard antics are demeaning to any thinking American. To have the idea that the citizens of this country can not see through the childish behaviour is and insult. We need to educate ourselves and not rely on the media to think for us and form our opinions. If there is no accountablility for our leaders and those who carry out their agendas, and those who were duped or scared into voting for the murdering theives who took this country to our lowest depths since the depression then what kind of message are we sending our future generations? Do we want them to believe it is okay to lie, cheat, and steal their way through life? I was under the impression that if we taught our children well, taught them right from wrong, taught them to care about their fellow human beings, that we could be a prosperous society, a society of equality, a forward thinking nation. Instead the message from the last 8 years has been if you are coniving, greedy and underhanded enough to pull it off you can get by with anything. you can move on with life with your rich, greedy friends, play golf, vacation more than your at your post, and be merry while the soldiers die, the middle class shrinks, the insurance companies take and take but don't want to give you anything in return, and those who did right and saved to retire go back to work so they can afford to keep what is theirs and survive. I hope this nation has had it's wake up call. Elect a person who knows and respects the laws and constitution. Some one who will stand up to lobbyist who are taking away your voice in Washington. A person who doesn't fly off half cocked, who thinks problems through, who shows respect for his elders and enemies. That person at this time in our history is Barack Obama.

Posted by: fedupmiddleclassmom | October 8, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Syntax was one thing, but how could we not be offended by McCain's suggestion that we little people might not know what FannieMae and FreddieMac were was completely astonishing. If he'd had a chance to woo me, he'd have lost on that downspeak

Posted by: waspybear | October 8, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I think many here are overlooking an obvious point here. John McCain was tortured during the war and has limited mobility due to his injuries. At 71 this is only complicating his posture and demeanor even more. He cannot win on the basis of physical comparison to Obama and his age. He must win on ideas. Unfortunately he and Palin do not have the kind of ideas that America is looking for and it shows in the polls.

I'm leaning toward Obama, I'm a Vietnam vet but I am appaled at some of the comments people make against McCain.

Posted by: JiminHouston | October 8, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

John McCain's demonization of his opponents is the same as George W. Bush's "with me or against me" philosophy. And look where that's gotten us!

Posted by: joy2 | October 8, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I am not a socialist by any means - I owned my own company (computer software and architecture combined), but there are key fundamentals that has made this country great.

The first president who set us on a path of greatness in the modern age was TR (Theodore Roosevelt) who worked hard against cronyism and trust busting. He also had during his time unions on the rise, which he did not oppose. Note: TR was a Republican.

The second president who set us on a path of greatness in the modern age was FDR (Franklin D. Roosevelt) his cousin. He came into the presidency because the Republicans went against TR's agenda and brought this country to the brink by given the cronyism back to an upper class and create a trickle down economic plan. FDR changed that with various work programs to bring back the middle class.

Neither president spoken of were socialists, they both believed in a free market, but they both believed that a strong middle class was required for the country to prosper.

Otherwise, we become a European aristocracy of the haves and have nots. That is the main difference that is surely underreported in the media.

Posted by: jrubin1 | October 8, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

In my opinion republicans do a great disservice to the American people when the actively try to undermine federal bureaucracy to support their small government goals.

Posted by: zosima | October 8, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Quick correction:
I'm pretty sure Obama's priorities were:
"Energy, Healthcare, Entitlement programs"
not:
"Energy, Healthcare, Education"

Also, I recently read a comment where someone made mention of tax cuts increasing government revenue.
Tax cuts decrease government revenues, they don't increase them. Economists have done studies which have shown that they almost never grow the economy enough to compensate for the revenues lost by the cut. Often they don't grow the economy at all.

This deficit in long-term revenues increases sharply if the short-term revenues lost from the tax cut were taken from infrastructure or development programs. It has been shown that *increased* spending on infrastructure often grows the economy far more that any sort of tax cut.

Posted by: zosima | October 8, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

My Friends,

After watching last night's debate, we came up with a drinking game for the next one, (not for the faint of heart).

A shot of Jack Daniels every time Senator McCain says "My Friends".

Be sure to cancel any important appointments for the following day.

Cheers!

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Posted by: mhrowell | October 8, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what McCain is, but Obama is a real man.
There is an old saying " A real man says what he means and means what he says."

This is true of Obama, not so of McCain.

Posted by: anguyen20 | October 8, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

That's why McCain and surrogates have to resort to character assassination. His policy stances led us to this place with economy meltdown, a 90% voting record with Bush. He has no vision or ideas to get us out and through this mess, at least nothing he can clearly articulate. That leaves tearing down his opponent down, and calling him 'That one.'

Posted by: tydicea | October 8, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I think I’ve actually come up with an angle and comment that no one else seems to have raised in this campaign. I’m not just trying to plug my blog (though I am also doing that), I really think this point needs to get out there.

Please check it out and pass it along:

http://23-7.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-friends-stinking-corpses.html

Thanks!

Posted by: levison | October 8, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure you've all heard of dangling participles. Well, last night, McCain had entire predicates that were dangling, desperately seeking a subject.

As it has been pointed out, Palin wrote the book on taking these kind of grammatical liberties. But this stage is relatively new to the Alaskan governor, and the public has already demonstrated its willingness to grant her leniency on those grounds. She also delivers those rambling, nonsensical non sequiturs in an easy and light manner.

McCain has been on the national stage for more than a quarter of a decade. He forces these butchered sentences through gritted teeth without benefit of either a wink or a nod. I guess that makes it harder to forgive.

I majored in English in college, but I don’t expect our next president to be Shakespeare or Milton. I just expect him to finish his thoughts and complete his sentences.

Posted by: JohninMpls | October 8, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Of course you're being an elitist, and why not. Claim it for yourself, own it. It means the you are among the best of the best, the cream of the crop. Why should anyone ever apologize for being thought of that way?

Those who want to promote class warfare have changed the connotation of this word from positive to negative, that somehow one who is elite is smug, condescending and arrogant.

That is straight out of the Rove University Campaign Playbook; accuse the opponent of that which the accuser has been tried and found guilty.

Posted by: leanderthal | October 8, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

For those of us who have watched the campaigns from the beginning we have seen Obama mature as a candidate. There is no question about his academic success, and Obama's teaching experience is also evident. He speaks to his audience as mature, responsible adults who have taken the time to be better informed; for those just tuning in on the campaign the impression is that Obama is prepared, polished, respectful and energized for the job ahead.

McCain-Palin? They seem to be aiming for the low hanging fruit with questionable background and speaking skills, smart remarks and mudslinging. Their use of language and putdowns is troubling - if that's the standard they are setting for their administration. In addition, McCain's use of "my friend" is not just grating; it is off-putting. That form of address is often heard in a confrontational manner, i.e. "My friend, listen up." So there's a passive-aggressive edge to McCain that is a concern. McCain has been very open about wanting to be POTUS and he is perhaps seething that 'this upstart' may spoil his dream: becoming commander-in-chief (Remember that's how the McCain known for surviving a POW camp could 'maverick' his way to besting his father and grandfather's achievements.)

The bottom line for McCain is: A year of campaigning is making the old boy look older - and not ready and able to continue for four more years.

Posted by: nlersch | October 8, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Dream tickets for the president. Huckabee/Palin comes out 5 to 1 over McCain/Palin.

Wishin' and hopin' and thinkin' and prayin'
Plannin' and dreamin' . . .

That's all cons have: fantasies. Of course that's all they ever had, and ever will have. Big-Boy, Big-Man fantasies. Big Mustache fantasies.

Laughable.

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Posted by: bracken1 | October 8, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Full -- and properly constructed -- sentences certainly help a candidate's position.

In this regard, one wonders why McCain sabotaged his own campaign by choosing a running mate who's incapable of stringing one coherent sentence together, and resorts to winks, and "betch'ya" to not answering questions. Although that may be explained by the fact that she does not understand the questions in the first place, since she has revealed herself to be crassly ignorant of not only the current issues preoccupying the average American, but of American institutions and the Constitution itself.

The one attribute she has is "chutzpah", wearing as she does the crown of her low intelligence and ignorance. But I suppose, Palin would object to the yiddish word since she welcomed into her Assembly of God church in Wasilla, the head of the Jews for Jesus, who talked about how the Israeli deserved to be the subjected to Palestinian attacks as they were not willing to convert to Christianity...

Posted by: Gatsby1 | October 8, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Maybe, finally, our nation has broken its fever dream of anti-"elitism."

What is it with the underachieving crowd that wants our whole nation to sink to their ignorant level?

Do they not celebrate elite athletes, elite soldiers, elite entrepreneurs?

Why on earth would they want a "Joe Sixpack" leading our nation?

Posted by: terry1960 | October 8, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: mawt | October 8, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

sitting uncomfortably? he probably had a wedgie.

Posted by: ordinarypeople | October 8, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Standard English syntax would do the job. Palin's syntactical creations sound like she's a non-native speaker of the language.

It matters what order words are put in - that's hardly an elitist notion. The English-only crowd ought to be able to embrace coherent speech.

When she doesn't have anything to says she tosses in bits and snips that don't actually mean anything, but require the listener to continue to give her attention.

Her high school English teacher was interviewed, and said Palin frequently appealed her grades, because "she thought she was right."

Well then.

Posted by: practica1 | October 8, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm with Owlcroft on this. Fuzzy speech suggests fuzzy thinking.

We are running out of time, America. We don't have the luxury of teading water for another 4 years, while our national leadership muddles along, mouthing canned sound bites... at the very least we must elect people who can express themselves clearly, so we can understand what it is, exactly, that they propose to do.

Republicans for Obama!

Posted by: Iconoblaster | October 8, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I guess I'm kind of puzzled why so many commentators wanted an explanation of what the candidates would do about the market free-fall that just took place. Given the format and time constraints, it would have been impossible to lay out a plan and with any kind of detail and might have wound up being more confusing and distracting from the overall debate. Granted, to have completely ignored it is strange too but, I'd rather wait for the first presidential address by the new president, where a comprehensive and detailed response can be laid out. I don't want to hear a paragraph of one liners at a campaign event.

Posted by: khan0000 | October 8, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Dear Obama supporters:

Enjoy your higher taxes.

Love,
virginian

Posted by: _virginian_ | October 8, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

why1201 wrote: "Ignatius: it's "jests," not "gests." I'd check my spelling before critiquing someone else's grammar."

"gest" means "a tale of adventure" which fits well with McCain's penchant for endlessly blathering about his POW experience as if it's a valid qualification for office.

As for grammar, it's high time educated people stand up to this idiotic meme about "elitists." Inarticulateness is not an admirable quality. It's simply a sign of laziness and ignorance. People who can't be bothered to speak clearly, coherently, and in complete sentences, are unfit to represent our nation on the world stage. Bush has done us a favor by demonstrating so thoroughly the link between incoherence and incompetence.

Posted by: Chip_M | October 8, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Both men agreed to and mostly played by the same set of rules. There have to be some limitations, fine. McCain came off looking like a desperate, grumpy old senior citizen, not a noble, wise, elder statesman. Obama came across as well educated, well prepared, and well spoken. He has earned and deserves this office, and I believe America will be better for it. I hope the voters will do the right thing this time.

Posted by: rpike | October 8, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow! the vitriol by the McCain haters is quite breathtaking. The rhetoric employed is quite frightening and laced with personal insults.
Perhaps Obama was able to complete his sentences because he grossly abused his allotted time and ignored the rules.

Posted by: stickneyite | October 8, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Ignatius, the word is spelled 'jest' not 'gest' as in Court jester.

Posted by: commonsense101 | October 8, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Virginian,

Assuming that YOU make a quarter million a year, Obama supporters plan to enjoy YOUR higher taxes.

But seriously, if it takes a tax increase to help balance the budget and fix our economy, I will gladly pay it.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | October 8, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

dontmakememovetocanada:

Canada likes Obama too! For that matter, so does the rest of the civilized world!

Posted by: cj0yce | October 8, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

You wrote:

"There’s no sign yet in Obama, of an FDR-like sense of the dimensions of the crisis and the need for action."

There was not much sign of that in FDR either, while he was campaigning. You could see it in his record as governor of New York and occasionally he made fiery speeches but much of his campaign rhetoric was anodyne and reassuring, perhaps because he did not want to trigger panic. That is one of the reasons Lippman and others drastically underestimated him. In 1932 Lippman wrote:

"Franklin D. Roosevelt is no crusader. He is no tribune of the people. He is no enemy of entrenched privilege. He is a pleasant man who, without any important qualifications for the office, would very much like to be President."

- Jed Rothwell

Posted by: jedrothwell1 | October 8, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

This just in:
"Speaking in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, Bill Platt, the GOP chair of Lehigh County, twice referred to "Barack Hussein Obama" minutes before John McCain and Sarah Palin were set to take the stage."
It's beyond being deplorable and despicable what McCain is doing.

Posted by: motherforobama | October 8, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

it's simple - if you can't structure your thoughts on the fly you are not as skilled a communicator.

let's stop expecting less from our leaders. I am tired of seeing the English language butchered and watered down and we should never belittle anyone for being "professorial". Yes, Kerry and Obama may come off as longing a little condescending, but wouldn't you prefer someone who has groomed their intelligence over years of course work than an ignoramus, like Bush or Palin?

sorry - the ability to talk in complete sentences and frame an argument is a basic prerequisite to leadership.

Posted by: dalvaprado | October 8, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

894 out of 895 says it all. McCain has given little attention to scholarly pursuits and thinks being tough is all we need.

sorry, we want brain power this time, and how about a little computer savviness? A leader that "doesn't email"? How effective will he be in this day and age?

And he is not intelligent enough to adapt and maybe learn to use a computer?

sorry, "give me a hard copy so I can read it" is old-school, and not happening this time around. Nor someone who thinks "Internets" are good.

Get these retards out of here.

Posted by: dalvaprado | October 8, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

"And he explained, succinctly and coherently, what’s wrong with McCain’s health care plan."

I disagree... both with your assessment and with the idea that there's anything wrong with McCain's plan. Obama's only credible criticism of the plan is the consumer protection angle in that McCain would allow people to buy health insurance across state lines. Obama said that insurance companies would gradually move to the least regulated state like the banks and credit card companies all moved to Delaware. Having lived in several states, I personally think state regulations of any insurance are a waste and would like to see the feds handle all of that. Look at how much auto insurance costs in overregulated states (New Jersey)compared to others.

After watching the debate I still don't have a clear idea about how Obama's plan is going to work, other than that it will force insurers to cover preexisting conditions (which any idiot can tell you will raise prices). McCain's plan is simple. Right now the government subsidizes all employer provided healthcare by making it an untaxible benefit. But if you lose your job, are self employed, retire early, or work part time you won't get the same government subsidy when you go buy your own insurance. That isn't fair, and thats why McCain's plan is a good one. He replaces this large exemption with a credit for everybody. The best thing about the credit is eligibility will be outlined in the 1040 instructions like all the other tax credits. That to me is a lot better than having some social worker check out your income/assets and see if you're eligible for a government subsidy.

Posted by: bill3 | October 8, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Here's scenario my boss came up with this morning to help understand taxing the wealthy. If you made 10 million and were asked to forgo your tax cuts and pay 3 million in taxes to help the economy of this country you are suppose to support and love, you would be left with 7 million. That calculates to $584 thousand per month, or 19,179.00 per day. Try explaining that to Americans working two jobs, spouse working also, trying to pay everyday bills and trying to put some aside for emergencies. Not speaking of people who might have been caught up in the living beyond their means. This is speaking of those middle class citizens that are just keeping up with inflation, gas prices, health insurance premiums, mandantory car insurance, utilities, school supplies, food, taxes. Recall last night Mr. Obama mentioned Mr. Buffet. Mr.Buffet has made statements in the past regarding how he paid less taxes than his secretary. I am sure Mr. Buffet pays his secretary a nice salary, but how is this a fair taxing plan. While we are not against citizens making money, as long as they aren't stealing it from fellow Americans pockets, we can't fathom why the wealthiest balk at paying a fairer share to boost the USA. Granted only about 1 percent of these wealthiest made it themselves. Others either inherited the wealth, or they brokered themselves an outrageous deal all the while stealing, lying, and undermining the entire system.
Historically as stated before the middle income citizens are the life blood of our system. If the system takes and takes more, and bankrupts these citizens then who is going to buy all those imported supplies? Who is going to work at the stores where you buy those imported items? Who is going to drive, serve, clean up after the millionaire who doesn't think he should sacrifice a thing to lift the economy out of the hole? Investing in the USA should be the first priority for those people at the top.

Posted by: fedupmiddleclassmom | October 8, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

As for the comment "We are not rifle shots, we are Americans", I think McCain meant that Obama had reduced all Americans to "bullet points" (as in a Power Point presentation) when Obama was able to list his 3 priorities for spending. In any case, McCain just ends up emphasizing how out of touch he is with technology if he cannot remember the rather common idiom "bullet point".

Posted by: lindadilaura | October 8, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I find this non-stop comparison between McCain and Obama sort of amusing. Look, I will be blunt. There is really nothing to compare. Any time you put the two together, McCain looks old, rigid, with a fake smile, un-natural. And I have not gotten to any content yet.

So please "my friends", don't pursue that. How can one compare a rose and a clump of dirt?

Posted by: steviana | October 8, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a whiny little itch who needs his wife or his VPYLF (She isnt my type) to do his dirty work...I just want to warn MKKKAIN that if something happens to Barack Obama because of the Pig's big mouth then they can say good bye to all 15 of their houses, snow MOBILES and private planes and hello to Bubba in the Big house.

Posted by: Beka13 | October 8, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

What happened with the man that John McCain was thought to be? My opinion, based on the subject of his stump speeches and debates is that he feels entitled to the title of President because of his war hero status. This sense of entitlement has reigned in his campaign from its inception. From the very beginning, he comes into this race with no plan and performs stunt after stunt, from selecting a VP partner with no intellectual depth at all in any area of substance that matter to Americans to "suspending" his campaign to "parachute" in Washington during the bailout crisis. Mr. War Hero holds contempt and disdain for “that one” because the latter is young and has not served in the armed forces. Unfortunately, to his chagrin, the economic woes couldn't have happened at a more inconvenient time for a campaign with no plan but lipstick on a pig: during the last stretch of the race.


Throughout his career as a politician in Washington he did like to go against the stream. The condescension he shows toward another whom he believes is beneath him, that menacing smile, and that “political talk” in which all is somehow allayed with the phrase “my friends” has been a trademark of his. However, his irritability and recklessness and unpredictability that served him well as a senator and in branding himself as a “maverick” have not translated well in his race for president. We haven’t seen a different John McCain the Presidential Candidate from the John McCain “maverick” Senator: it’s the same guy. It’s just that the somberness that has overtaken American politics in light of these uncertain times have forced McCain to finally reckon with issues of substance --- and he is not ready. And with a month to go, it's a heck of a time to catch up!

Posted by: Marve1 | October 8, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Or am I being elitist, in arguing that case for coherence?

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No, you're just not setting the bar very high for the candidates. Campaign promises aside, each is going to be severely challenged because of the problems this country faces. I've yet to hear either address these issues head on. Last night was no exception.

Posted by: JamesSCameron | October 8, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse


HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON ANGERED BY SARAH PALIN’S REMARKS

Hillary wants to know if Palin wants to run the United States in the same manner that she and McCain ran their dysfunctional families. With the nomination of hockey mom Sarah Palin, John McCain has officially transformed the defunct GOP Republican Party into a circus complete with a lipstick wearing pig clown displaying the IQ of a cockatoo. Hillary added that Sarah Palin’s pathological lies and unprofessional name calling led to the five letter word pertaining to an Arctic hillbilly (P A L I N).

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MCCAIN-KEATING SAVINGS AND LOANS FRAUD / FINANCIAL CRISIS AGAINST AMERICA

MCCAIN-KEATING SAVINGS AND LOANS FRAUD / FINANCIAL CRISIS AGAINST AMERICA

MCCAIN-KEATING SAVINGS AND LOANS FRAUD / FINANCIAL CRISIS AGAINST AMERICA


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The financial system is still in grave peril, despite Congress's approval of an unprecedented $700 billion bailout.

Unemployment is rising, the economy is slowing, and the question isn't whether we're in for a recession but how long and how deep the recession will be.

Meanwhile, U.S. troops are still fighting in two places -- Iraq and Afghanistan -- where foreign occupations end badly.

The terrorists who struck us on Sept. 11, 2001, have been allowed to regroup within the borders of nuclear-armed Pakistan and are busy plotting new attacks.

Rarely have there been bigger or more urgent issues to talk about in a presidential campaign.

Yet GOP Republican McCain / Palin refuse to talk about these vital issues to America. Why?
GOP Republicans caused this mess and have not a clue of how to get us out of this mess.

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The richest one percent of this country owns half our country's wealth, nine trillion dollars. One third of that comes from hard work. Two thirds of that comes from inheritance; interest on interest accumulating to widows / idiot sons; and stock / real estate SPECULATION. It is crap.

Ninety percent of the American public has little or no net worth.

WALL STREET SPECULATORS create nothing. But through SUPER-CAPITALISM (FRAUD), WALL STREET SPECULATORS OWN THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNTRY. The Super Rich running America are doing it through Las Vegas style gambling. IT IS CRAP!!!

RICH GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SPECULATORS make the rules (news, war, peace, famine, upheaval).

RICH GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SPECULATORS pick that rabbit out of the hat while the American People wonder how WE GOT INTO THIS MESS.

You are not naive enough to think that we live in a Democracy?

IT'S THE FREE MARKET. And you're a part of it.

GOP REPUBLICAN RICH WALL STREET SPECULATORS have that killer instinct. Stick around, GOP REPUBLICAN RICH WALL STREET SPECULATORS still have more stealing to do.


In a Democracy, the AMERICAN PEOPLE suppose to own AMERICA. That's right, the AMERICAN PEOPLE suppose to own AMERICA.

AMERICANS are being robbed by GOP RICH REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SPECULATORS AND THEIR WHITE HOUSE / CONGRESSIONAL STOOGES with their:

Obscenely high salaries,
Tax havens for the rich,
Tax breaks for the rich,
Tax laws for the rich,
Exclusive clubs “Eyes Wide Shut”,
Luncheons,
Hunting trips,
Golf tournaments,
Escort services,
Corporate jets,
GOLDEN PARACHUTES.

Thousands of GOP Republican CEOs and their White House / Congressional Stooges are walking away with over $20,000,000 each of stolen money from the U.S. Treasury (AMERICAN PEOPLE). This Is Treason Against the American People.


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CONGRESS YOU NO LONGER REPRESENT WALL STREET SOLELY
CONGRESS YOU NOW REPRESENT THE WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

THIS IS THE AGENDA
CONGRESS WILL REMOVE ALL GOLDEN PARACHUTES FROM THE BILL
CONGRESS WILL ENSURE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE WELL PROTECTED WITHIN THE BILL

CONGRESS WILL PROSECUTE GOP REPUBLICANS ON THE FIX AND WALL STREET SUPER RICH CEO INSIDE TRADERS. THEIR CORPORATE SHARES AND PRIVATE PROPERTIES (DOMESTIC AND ABROAD) WILL BE CONFISCATED AND RETURNED TO THE U.S. TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE).

GREED IS TREASON AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

IF CONGRESS FAILS TO PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THEN CONGRESS WILL BE DESOLVED AND A NEW CONGRESS WILL BE PUT IN PLACE TO REFLECT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE


SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO CONGRESS IN EXTREMELY SIMPLE TERMS THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE COME FIRST.

THE DAYS WHEN CONGRESS ACTED AS THE STOOGE OF GOP REPUBLICAN SUPER RICH WALL STREET SPECULATORS HAS COME TO AN END


THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TAKE TOP PRIORITY IN AMERICA

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NO MORE GOLDEN PARACHUTES FOR EXECUTIVE CRIMINALS

GOP SUPER RICH REPUBLICAN WALL STREET CRIMINALS PREPARE FOR HANDCUFFS AND ASSETS CONFISCATION


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THOSE RICH WALL STREET SPECULATING GOP REPUBLICANS WHO DROVE THE BUS INTO THE DITCH, WILL NOT BE TRUSTED TO DRIVE THE BUS OUT OF THAT DITCH.

SUPER RICH GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SPECULATORS AND THEIR GOP REPUBLICAN HAND PICKED STOOGES IN THE WHITE HOUSE ADMINISTRATION, SENATE, SUPREME COURT, TREASURY, SEC AND CONGRESS TOGETHER HAVE $1 TRILLION WORTH OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE’S ASSETS (DOMESTIC AND HIDDEN ABROAD) THAT MUST BE RETURNED TO THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES.

AMERICA WANTS ITS $1 TRILLION BACK NOW AND CRIMINAL TRIALS FOR ALL INVOLVED IN THIS CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY ARE THE NEW LAWS OF THE LAND.

TREASON AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

NO MORE GOLDEN PARACHUTES FOR EXECUTIVE CRIMINALS. GOP SUPER RICH REPUBLICAN WALL STREET CRIMINALS PREPARE FOR HANDCUFFS AND ASSETS CONFISCATION.

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THOSE GOP REPUBLICAN CORPORATE EXECUTIVES WHO STOLE AND SQUANDERED AVERAGE AMERICANS’ MONEY ON HIGH RISK UNSECURED WALL STREET LAS VEGAS STYLE SPECULATIONS SHOULD NOT BE REWARDED WITH MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR COMPENSATION PACKAGES SUBSIDIZED BY THE TAXPAYERS.

THESE GOP SUPER RICH REPUBLICAN CORPORATE EXECUTIVES, SPECULATORS AND CONGRESSIONAL STOOGES SHOULD BE IN HANDCUFFS. ALL OF THEIR ASSETS SHOULD BE CONFISCATED, LIQUIDATED AND RETURNED THE TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE).

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LET THE TRIALS BEGIN: GOP SUPER RICH REPUBLICAN FLEECING OF AMERICA

CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES VERSUS GOP SUPER RICH GOP REPUBLICAN CRIMINALS

ACT QUICKLY, ACT QUICKLY, ACT QUICKLY
IS NOT THIS THE SAME THING THAT THOSE GOP REPUBLICAN CRIMINALS SAID TO START THE ILLEGAL IRAQ WAR!

LET THE TRIALS BEGIN: CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES VERSUS GOP SUPER RICH REPUBLICAN CRIMINALS (BUSH, CHENEY, RICE, PAULSON, MCCAIN) AND THEIR WALL STREET SUPERCAPITALIST SPECULATING FELLOW CONSPIRATOR FRIENDS

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL PREVAIL

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THIS GOP REPUBLICAN SUPER RICH WALL STREET MELTDOWN IS CRIMINAL MISUSE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE’S MONEY AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL (TREASON)

JOHN MCCAIN FEARS SHARING THE STAGE WITH HARVARD LAW PROFESSOR BARACK OBAMA

MOOSE COMMUNITY COLLEGE SARAH PALIN FEARS SHARING THE STAGE WITH LAW SCHOLAR JOE BIDEN

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Hmmm, let's see. We have a bunch of republicans whining about wanting these CEOs to keep their fortunes, multiple houses and cars, and they want the taxpayers to bail them out. But when the taxpayer wanted help to keep THEIR homes, they were called a bunch of whiners by these SAME republicans and were given NO bailout.

Why are their oversized fortunes more important than the rest of America's modest and undersized ones?

Now, for the last time, once and for all, explain to me how Obama is the elitist and the republicans are "just like you and me." Go ahead. I triple dog dare you.


TREASON TRIALS FOR GOP REPUBLICAN SUPER RICH CRIMINALS

$1Trillion Illegal Iraq War plus $1Trillion Wall Street Fraud equals $2Trillion that
GOP Republicans (Bush, Cheney, Rice, Paulson, Guiliani, McCain) and those contributing members of Congress, Wall Street Speculators, and Cabinet who took part in the most Monumental Fraud against the American People owe to Our National Treasury.



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GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SUPERCAPITALISM AT ITS WORST

Executive salaries, CEO bonuses, grand robberies of the U.S. TREASURY in the $MILLIONS, $BILLIONS, and $TRILLIONS.

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SUPERCAPITALISTS robbed the AMERICAN PEOPLE of a $Trillion. RULE OF LAW states that the AMERICAN PEOPLE will be protected and all private properties, money, and wealth domestic and abroad owned by GOP REPUBLICAN SUPERCAPITALISTS taking part in robbing the U.S. TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE) will immediately be confiscated and returned to the U.S. TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE).

REPLACE GOP REPUBLICAN CEO GOLDEN PARACHUTES WITH CRIMINAL TRIALS AND PROPERTY CONFISCATION. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL PREVAIL AND THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION WILL BE REINSTATED. LONG LIVE FREEDOM AND JUSTICE. CORPORATE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY WILL BE THE LAW OF THE LAND.

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INSIDE JOB AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL:
GOP REPUBLICAN WHITE HOUSE ILLEGAL WARS AND
WALL STREET CRIMINAL DEREGULATED SPECULATIONS

You asked for it and you got it. GOP REPUBLICANS INSIDERS McCain, Bush, Cheney, Paulson, and Rice were hired by Super-Capitalists (Super Wealthy GOP REPUBLICANS) to start Illegal Oil Wars against Oil producing Nations and DEREGULATE (eliminate AMERICAN PEOPLE PROTECTION) the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT (White House, Congress, Supreme Court), TREASURY and WALL STREET. These INSIDERS did exactly what they were paid to do. Past GOP REPUBLICANS (Nixon, Reagan, Bush I) and current GOP REPUBLICANS (Bush II, Cheney, Rice, McCain, Paulson) have a credibility factor of zero. Americans no longer believe them, the World has never believed them and now they are done. They came in with the 9/11 attack upon the AMERICAN PEOPLE and leave with the Wall Street $1Trillion attack upon the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Wave after wave after wave the GOP REPUBLICANS attack the AMERICAN PEOPLE based on the premise of disrespect for anyone who is not a GOP RICH REPUBLICAN. Either you are in their group (GOP RICH REPUBLICAN) or out (debt ridden worker bee / victim). GOP REPUBLICANS view the AMERICAN PEOPLE as gullible sheep perpetually fattened with debt and led to the subhuman existence slaughter. When slavery (free labor) ended GOP RICH REPUBLICANS attacked and enslaved the people of the world through unbalanced trade. Now that foreign sweatshops are demanding better pay and treatment, GOP RICH REPUBLICANS are attacking the AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS. GOP RICH REPUBLICANS are banking on the idea that the AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS are non-thinking drones fat with artificial food, high on Wall Street sponsored imported drugs (legal / illegal), and choked with clutter, debt and noise.

Through massive GOP REPUBLICAN SPONSORED DEREGULATIONS, GOP REPUBLICAN CEOs, Treasury Secretary, Wall Street Speculators, White House Administration, Cabinet Members, and their insider friends each walked away with more than $20,000,000 annually of money stolen directly from the U.S. TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE). After eight years of GRAND FRAUD AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL, thousands of GOP REPUBLICANS ROBBED OUR UNITED STATES TREASURY OF $1TRILLION (ACTS OF TREASON AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE).

The AMERICAN PEOPLE will hold ALL GOP REPUBLICANS INVOLVED in these ACTS OF TREASON accountable before a TRIAL. ALL GOP REPUBLICANS INVOLVED in these ACTS OF TREASON will have ALL OF THEIR PROPERTIES (corporate and private, domestic and foreign sheltered) CONFISCATED, SOLD and RETURNED to OUR NATIONAL TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE). The UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION (WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE) shall prevail, despite the criminal efforts of GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SUPER-CAPITALIST CRIMINALS.

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CONGRESS WILL NOT ADJOURN UNTIL AFTER THE GOP REPUBLICAN PARTY FIX THEIR COLOSSAL MESS

GOP (GOOD OLDBOY PRIVATEERS)

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Britain has nationalized its banks. The U.S. has nationalized Wall Street and will do the same for U.S. Oil if it hits $6.50 a gallon in two years. The Treasury and Oil are too crucial for national defense to be left in the hands of self serving speculators' private greed. The United States greed based society is over. We will copy Britain or Germany’s mixed economy system based heavily on the People government oversight. Speculators and gamblers cannot be trusted with the American economy. Wrong is wrong and wolves cannot be hired to protect cash cows. Today you can gamble in Las Vegas with your credit card (money that you don’t have); Wall Street high leverage speculation is the same thing.

Three weeks ago, some Americans stupidly said that we don’t need to consider World Opinion during the 2008 presidential election. It is now clear that America and The World are closely connected and that we need to consider how the World perceives our decisions. The World does not like John McCain and will not cooperate with McCain. Europeans and the World view John McCain as an old relic bent on returning the World to perpetual hostility.

No one wants another Cold War, except McCain. Palin’s childish perceptions are not worth mentioning, especially with the World watching and laughing at McCain’s choices. Russia does not want another Expensive Cold War, but it will play ball if McCain kicks off. While Bush and McCain are building military bases in Poland, Russia is speaking with Latin American Oil Nations about refining and cutting out U.S. Oil Companies. Next Russia will build military bases in Latin American in response to U.S. bases in Eastern Europe. McCain and Wall Street weapons manufacturers are the only ones who want to profit from a new Cold War. In reality, no one benefits from a new Cold War. The American People, Russian People and World People will be injured by a new Cold War. Expect European demands to be rid of all U.S. bases in Europe. The American People, Russian People and World People want peace and cooperation from the United States led by Barack Obama.

The World loves Barack Obama and has signed a letter of intent to cooperate with America under Barack’s leadership. Throughout the World young presidents are emerging and none of them want to return to the bad days of the Cold War (bomb shelters, high interest rates, disproportionate military spending, nuclear buildup, general fear). Nobody wants the return of the Cold War, except McCain and Wall Street weapons manufacturers. The American People are nationalizing Wall Street to prevent weapons manufacturers from dictating unfavorable terms to our economy. Again the American middle class must see pass their ignorance and the emperor with no clothes (Bush, McCain, Palin, Guiliani). Americans must vote for it’s best interest, which includes a favorable World Opinion. America And The World Will Vote Obama to avert financial and military catastrophes.

Let’s not forget that China, Saudi Arabia and India together hold over $1 Trillion in American currency. Do you think that China, Saudi Arabia and India have votes in the 2008 American election? The CEOs of American companies and Wall Street Banks heavily invested with funds from China, Saudi Arabia and India know that foreign governments will be exercising their strong votes in our election. You can thank McCain deregulations and GOP Republican American job outsourcing for dissipating Our American votes.

Obama has 8 years experience as a State Senator, 4 years in the US Senate, taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago, etc. Obama’s very high intellectual capacity allows him to analyze situations and make sound decisions. How can you even compare Palin’s GED from Moose Community College credentials to these?

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GOP REPUBLICAN JOHN MCCAIN WALL STREET DEREGULATIONS
GOP REPUBLICAN JOHN MCCAIN ALSO WANTED TO PRIVATIZE SOCIAL SECURITY (BONEHEAD)
GOP REPUBLICAN JOHN MCCAIN sponsored landmark legislation in 1999 that removed the walls between banks, investment firms and insurance companies. GOP REPUBLICAN JOHN MCCAIN bill allowed a company like AIG to expand beyond its traditional insurance business (which is still profitable) into exotic new extremely high risk products that brought the company down and created this colossal mess.

WALL STREET SRO - SELF REGULATORY ORGANIZATION
THE GOP REPUBLICAN RUN Government (GOP President, GOP Congress, GOP Supreme Court) looked the other way, while GOP REPUBLICAN Super-capitalist WALL STREET SRO Speculators Robbed Our U.S. TREASURY and Forced the $Trillion Debt Upon the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

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Average Americans are becoming poorer, because GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET super rich SPECULATORS and corporate CEOs are paying themselves, business partners, friends, and family members at least $20,000,000 annually from MONEY STOLEN FROM THE U.S. TREASURY. These major crimes committed by WALL STREET SPECULATORS AND CEOs have gone beyond greed and into acts of treason against the AMERICAN PEOPLE. Seize the stolen money and properties valued in the $TRILLIONS back from these super criminals for attacking America. Those stolen $MILLIONS / $BILLIONS / $TRILLIONS belong to the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

RULE OF LAW states that the People of the United States will be defended. Those who attack American Citizens will be prosecuted. WALL STREET SPECULATORS and CORPORATE CEOs dictatorship over the AMERICAN PEOPLE is over. Average Americans are not going to accept WALL STREET CORPORATE CRIMES anymore. Rights of Citizen and Average Workers of the United States will be enforced. The AMERICAN PEOPLE will always come before corporate interests, because Americans Love America more than Wall Street Speculators love greed.

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GERMANY, FRANCE, ENGLAND HAVE GREATER CITIZEN-WORKERS’ RIGHTS, TRANSPARENCY, OVERSIGHT, AND DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY THAN GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET RUN AMERICA. AMERICA WILL HONOR AMERICAN CITIZENS WITH DEMOCRATIC WORKERS’ RIGHTS, TRANSPARENCY, OVERSIGHT, AND DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY.

NO MORE WALL STREET DICTATORSHIP OVER CONGRESS
NO MORE WALL STREET IMPORTATION OF ILLEGAL CARTEL DRUGS
NO MORE WALL STREET MASS GUN SALES
NO MORE WALL STREET ILLEGAL WARS
NO MORE WALL STREET WILD SPECULATION AND IRRESPONSIBLE LEVERAGE
NO MORE WALL STREET SOFT PORNOGRAPHY ON PRIME TIME TELEVISION
NO MORE WALL STREET MASS VIOLENCE ON PRIME TIME TELEVISION
NO MORE WALL STREET HATE RADIO
NO MORE WALL STREET UNAUTHORIZED SPYING ON AMERICAN CITIZENS
NO MORE WALL STREET ILLEGAL CREDIT SCORES
NO MORE WALL STREET OVERSEAS TAX HAVENS
NO MORE WALL STREET OUTSOURCING AMERICAN JOBS
NO MORE WALL STREET BUYING AMERICAN POLITICIANS


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GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET $TRILLION FRAUD AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

Direct impact of GOP McCain sponsored deregulations
Bankrupt and floundering
Failure of the investment bank
Government's takeover

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET's business model has collapsed

Greed and fear routinely govern GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET financial markets and GLOBAL CRISIS.

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET (giant investment houses, brokerage firms, hedge funds, "private equity" firms) irresponsibly TRADED the savings of average Americans (placed LAS VEGAS STYLE BETS on extremely high risk stocks, bonds, and other securities).

DUBIOUS MORTGAGES were PACKAGED into BONDS and SOLD and TRADED. Investment houses had huge incentives to increase LEVERAGE (OBSCENELY HIGH BORROWING).

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET compensation is heavily skewed toward annual bonuses, reflecting the profits traders and managers earned in the tune of lavish base salaries and obscenely high annual bonuses of $20,000,000.

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET relies heavily on OBSCENELY HIGH LEVERAGE (OBSCENELY HIGH BORROWING). $3 Trillion (stocks, bonds, other securities) backed by only $80 billion in shareholders' equity while the $2.8 Trillion was LEVERAGE (BORROWED).

Leverage (huge borrowing) can create huge debts (huge principal and interest obligations)

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET is a manic machine for gambling.
Traders and money managers are given huge incentives to do whatever would increase short-term profits.

For decades, GOP REPUBLICAN JOHN MCCAIN sponsored legislation that broadly deregulated WALL STREET banking and insurance industries.

GOP REPUBLICAN JOHN MCCAIN swept away Consumer Protection legislation and opened the way for a less restricted high risk financial marketplace.

While the GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET boom continued, government (White House, Congress, Supreme Court) looked the other way.

GOP REPUBLICAN Congress resisted tougher regulation and permitted WALL STREET to run out of control at obscenely high LEVERAGE (OBSCENELY HIGH BORROWED MONEY) RATIOS perpetrating intentional fraud against the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET leaders intentionally deceived customers and lenders into taking hazardous risks for short-term rewards regardless of the long-term dangers to the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Mortgages went bad. The powerful high leverage went into reverse. Losses eroded firms' capital bases and raised doubts about their survival.

Financial firms took major stupid and wasteful risks that severely damaged the American Economy and impeded economic recovery.

GOP REPUBLICAN STOCK MARKET $TRILLION FRAUD has deepened consumers' pessimism, fear and reluctance to spend. There may be more failures of FINANCIAL FIRMS.

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET financial crises resemble the GOP REPUBLICAN illegal miscalculated war.


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How were we ever made to believe that the now-collapsing GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET model ever made sense? Common sense should have told us that making RISKY BETS with HUGE AMOUNTS of BORROWED MONEY was a DANGEROUS GAME; if the bets pay off you make money beyond your wildest dreams, but if they go bad you face utter ruin.

Common sense should have told us that betting fortunes on meaningless fluctuations in stock, bond or currency values (McCain sponsored deregulated hedge funds) was about as productive as a trip to Las Vegas. Common sense should have told us that buying and selling exotic securities based on other securities based on bundles of mortgages that were treated like mere numbers on a balance sheet (no recognition that the whole iffy construct was based on real people living in real houses that they might or might not be able to afford) was not an intelligent endeavor.

Somehow, we all forgot that "HIGHLY LEVERAGED" is just another way of saying "DEEPLY INDEBTED." Now we've had a wake-up call, and maybe the erstwhile Masters of the Universe will have to stop playing with imaginary money and go back to using the real stuff.


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RULE OF LAW WILL ENFORCE CONFISCATION OF ALL GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SPECULATORS’ AND CEOS’ PERSONAL PROPERTIES RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR ECONOMY’S MELTDOWN. All money and properties of the Super Rich CEOs and WALL STREET Speculators domestic and abroad will be confiscated and returned to the United States TREASURY and the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

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WALL STREET SRO - SELF REGULATORY ORGANIZATION
OUR GOP REPUBLICAN RUN Government (GOP President, GOP Congress, GOP Supreme Court) looked the other way, while GOP REPUBLICAN Super-capitalist WALL STREET SRO Speculators Robbed Our U.S. TREASURY and Forced the $Trillion Debt Upon the AMERICAN PEOPLE.


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GOP REPUBLICAN LIARS SUPER RICH WALL STREET GET RICH QUICK GREEDY
BILLION DOLLARS RISKY UNSECURED LOANS RISKY UNSECURED LOANS RISKY UNSECURED LOANS
REPACKAGED AND SOLD TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

GOP REPUBLICAN LIARS SUPER RICH WALL STREET ROBBER BARONS
COMMIT TREASON AND GRAND FRAUD AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.


WALL STREET SRO - SELF REGULATORY ORGANIZATION
OUR GOP REPUBLICAN RUN Government (GOP President, GOP Congress, GOP Supreme Court) looked the other way, while GOP REPUBLICAN Super-capitalist WALL STREET SRO Speculators Robbed Our U.S. TREASURY and Forced the $Trillion Debt Upon the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

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HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON ANGERED BY SARAH PALIN’S REMARKS

Comments uttered by Sarah Palin has angered Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton who described Sarah Palin as an opportunist with no qualifications. Senator Hillary Clinton also stated that John McCain and Sarah Palin’s records on women’s rights are abominable. The country cannot withstand anymore George Bush failures cloaked in McCain/Palin. Asking Sarah Palin to become Vice President is like asking the grazing moose behind her trailer to pilot the shuttle.

National Organization of Women (NOW) Endorsed Pro-Women’s Rights ticket Obama / Biden for their outstanding work bettering the lives of women.

During her first term as Mayor, Palin went on an intense firing spree by sacking, or requesting resumes and resignation letters from the chief of police, finance director, public works director, and librarian.

In October of 1996, Palin consulted the city librarian about censoring "objectionable" books. The librarian was shocked and responded that the books were selected "on the basis of national selection criteria of libraries this size" and would resist all efforts to ban or remove any books from the library. A few months later Emmons received a letter from Palin stating that she had been terminated from her job. Emmons was reinstated the next day after public outcry.

Long time Alaskan acquaintance described Sarah Palin as a malicious, conniving opportunist, a reckless spender, and power abuser. Initially Palin supported the 'bridge to nowhere' project and even wore t-shirts that supported the project. When she realized that the project was not supported by the public she decided to back off.

Palin is an avid pro-lifer. Teen pregnancies are a major dilemma facing the nation today. The government spent $1 billion in supporting abstinence-only sex education programs since 1996. In the case of Palin's daughter, such programs are failing us. Palin is comfortable with giving her own daughter a choice, but wants to take away that choice from the rest of the nation.

By picking a young, attractive and vivacious woman as his partner in crime, McCain hoped to pull in all the disappointed Clinton supporters. This was his crucial mistake, because Sarah Palin is the antithesis of Hillary Clinton. She stands against women rights and would reverse women's rights by fifty years. Women are not as gullible as McCain and his advisors had hoped that they would be. Just because McCain placed a young woman in front of the crowd does not mean women will automatically vote for her without any question. Women will soon realize that Sarah Palin is an anti-choice, homophobic, polar bear, wolf, moose, and deer killing machine.

Sarah Palin is incapable of writing a speech. The speech given by her at the Republican National Convention was written long before she was considered for McCain’s running mate by the computer. McCain had never heard of Palin until after the computer printed her name one day before his announcement.

The thought that Sarah Palin will do anything in the White House is unsettling, because she is a unhinged lunatic who will mess up and give the public the perception that women cannot be in power. Hillary Rodham Clinton and women throughout the country are very angry that Sarah “moose hunter” Palin is in such an important position. Four out of Sarah’s five best friends have committed to Barack Obama.


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GOP REPUBLICANS ARE AUTHORITARIANS WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN FREE SPEECH OR DEMOCRACY. GOP REPUBLICAN ONLY INTERESTS ARE POWER AND MONEY.

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GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SUPERCAPITALISM AT ITS WORST

Executive salaries, CEO bonuses, grand robberies of the U.S. TREASURY in the $MILLIONS, $BILLIONS, and $TRILLIONS.

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SUPERCAPITALISTS robbed the AMERICAN PEOPLE of a $Trillion. RULE OF LAW states that the AMERICAN PEOPLE will be protected and all private properties, money, and wealth domestic and abroad owned by GOP REPUBLICAN SUPERCAPITALISTS taking part in robbing the U.S. TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE) will immediately be confiscated and returned to the U.S. TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE).

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PALIN FAILIN RETURNED HOME TO 2,000 ALASKAN PROTESTERS WHO CHEERFULLY CHANTED "O-BAM-AH.

Gov. Sarah Palin returned home to 2,000 protesters outside the Anchorage library who wanted to correct the widespread impression that the Last Frontier endorses her candidacy.

"Last week a group of women were sitting around talking about this perception that all of Alaska supports Sarah Palin. We apparently hit a nerve and started a movement,"

A sense of festival obtained. There was a woman in a polar bear suit representing "Polar Bear Moms Say: No Palin Failin." Drivers on 36th Avenue saw a little girl waving a sign "Don't Ban My Books."

"My mom is from Alaska. She's a working mother. She's good looking," said Nolan. "So she seems to be qualified to be vice president."

Asking Sarah Palin to become the Vice President is like asking the grazing moose behind her trailer to pilot the shuttle.

Sarah Palin Failin Protesters Held Signs Reading:

Bush In A Skirt
Palin Be Failin
Jesus Was a Community Organizer
Palin Failin: Thanks But No Thanks
Smearing Alaska's Good Name One Scandal @ a Time
Candidate To Nowhere
Rape Kits Should Be Free
Voted For Her Once: Never Again!
Community Organizers are the Real Patriots
Barbies for War
I Shall Not Be Pandered To
Give Palin Failin Your Vote AND Your Draft Age Child
Sarah Palin Failin: So Far Right She's Wrong
Alaska Is Not Frisco
Coat Hangers for McCain
Sarah Palin Failin, Undoing 150 Years of American Feminism
Hockey Mama for Obama (on a hockey stick)


Cheerful chants of "O-bam-ah.


National Organization of Women (NOW) Endorses Obama / Biden For Their Pro-Women Rights Stance


McCain / Palin Failin are rejected for their anti-women stance and votes against Women Rights


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PRESIDENTIAL AND VICE PRESIDENTIAL CHOICES

I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....

If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're 'exotic, different.'

Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, and its a quintessential American story.

If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.

Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.

Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.

If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer,
become President of the Harvard Law Review,
create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters,
spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor,
spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people,
become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee,
spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13
million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign
Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees,
you don't have any real leadership experience.

If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years
on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less
than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000
people, and cook caribou/grizzly/wolf stew, then you're qualified to become the country's second
highest ranking executive.

If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters,
all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.

If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress,
and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month,
you're a Christian.

If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including
the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

If , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only,
with no other option in sex education in your state's school system
while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant , you're very responsible.

If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm
to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family,
your family's values don't represent America's.

If you're husband is nicknamed 'First Dude', with at least one DWI conviction
and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and
once was a member of a group that advocated: the secession of Alaska from the USA,
your family is extremely admirable.

OK, much clearer now.


National Organization of Women (NOW) Endorses Obama / Biden For Their Pro-Women Rights Stance


McCain / Palin Failin are rejected for their anti-women stance and votes against Women Rights


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BRITISH PRIME MINISTER BROWN SUPPORTS BARACK OBAMA

LONDON - BRITISH PRIME MINISTER GORDON BROWN voiced support for UNITED STATES DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE BARACK OBAMA, saying he would help Americans struggling with an economic downturn.

In a move seen by some British media as a break with a political convention requiring foreign leaders to remain neutral ahead of US elections, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER BROWN praised MR. OBAMA as a fellow “progressive politician” who would help ordinary Americans in tough times. With eight weeks to go before the presidential election, MR. OBAMA and his Republican rival John McCain are neck-and-neck in domestic opinion polls.

BRITISH PRIME MINISTER BROWN described the race for the White House as “electrifying” and said: “It is the DEMOCRATS who are generating the ideas to help people through more difficult times.”

“To help prevent people from losing their home, BARACK OBAMA has proposed a Foreclosure Prevention Fund to increase emergency pre-foreclosure counselling, and help families facing repossession,” he wrote in an article in The Monitor magazine, a monthly political publication.

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2008 UNITED STATES DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL RACE

DEMOCRAT HARVARD LAW VS. GOP REPUBLICAN S

OBAMA OF HARVARD LAW AND PRESIDENT OF HARVARD LAW REVIEW
BIDEN OF SYRACUSE LAW

MCCAIN OF NAVY ACADEMY LAST PLACE
PALIN FAILIN OF MOOSE COLLEGE

GOP Republican Wall Street SRO (Self Regulatory Organization) Robber Baron Supercapitalism Is Down And Will No Longer Rob the U.S. TREASURY and AMERICAN PEOPLE

STOP DESTRUCTIVE GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SUPERCAPITALISM OIL SPECUALTARS (OIL MILLIONAIRES BUSH, CHENEY, RICE, MCCAIN, PALIN FAILIN)

NATIONALIZE U.S. OIL FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE
NATIONALIZE U.S. OIL FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE
NATIONALIZE U.S. OIL FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE

WHY A BARREL OF OIL ILLEGALLY SHOT UP FROM $24 TO $145 DURING THE GOP REPUBLICAN (MCCAIN, BUSH, CHENEY, RICE, PALIN FAILIN) ADMINISTRATION


GOP REPUBLICAN BUSH I OOOOOIIIIILLLLL MILLIONAIRE AND OIL EXECUTIVE
GOP REPUBLICAN BUSH II OOOOOIIIIILLLLL MILLIONAIRE AND OIL EXECUTIVE
GOP REPUBLICAN CHENEY OOOOOIIIIILLLLL MILLIONAIRE AND OIL EXECUTIVE
GOP REPUBLICAN RICE OOOOOIIIIILLLLL MILLIONAIRE AND OIL EXECUTIVE
GOP REPUBLICAN GUILIANI OOOOOIIIIILLLLL MILLIONAIRE AND OIL STOCKHOLDER
GOP REPUBLICAN MCCAIN OOOOOIIIIILLLLL MILLIONAIRE AND OIL STOCKHOLDER
GOP REPUBLICAN PALIN FAILIN OOOOOIIIIILLLLL COMMISSIONER AND OIL STOCKHOLDER


TOGETHER WHAT DO THEY ALL HAVE IN COMMON?

THEY ARE ALL GOP REPUBLICAN OOOOOIIIIILLLLL MILLIONAIRES AND OIL STOCKHOLDERS


GOP REPUBLICAN OOOOOIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLL IS THE NEW CRACK
GOP REPUBLICAN OOOOOIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLL IS THE NEW CRACK
GOP REPUBLICAN OOOOOIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLL IS THE NEW CRACK


CAN YOU SAY GOP REPUBLICAN CONSPIRACY TO DEFRAUD THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, ROB OUR U.S. TREASURY, AND SPECULATE FOR OBSCENELY HIGH PROFIT RETURNS ON WALL STREET OIL STOCKS

WAKE UP AMERICA, BECAUCE THE WORLD ALREADY KNOWS ABOUT THE CRIMINAL GOP REPUBLICAN PARTY OF CONSPIRATORS

NATIONALIZE U.S. OIL FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE AS A VITAL RESOURCE

AMERICA AND AMERICANS FIRST

NO MORE GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET OOOOOIIIIILLLLL SPECULATION AND FRAUD AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

IF YOU SAY THAT YOU LOVE AMERICA, THEN PROVE IT AND STOP THE GOP REPUBLICAN RAIDERS UPON OUR U.S. TREASURY AND OUTSOURCING OF U.S. JOBS

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GOP Republican Wall Street Get Rich Quick By Robbing America TREASURY Wild Speculators Created The Enormous National Debt, So Make Them Pay For It And Balance Our Budget.
GOP Republican Wall Street Supercapitalism Speculators Have Committed Treason Against Our Country.

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HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON ANGERED BY SARAH PALIN FAILIN’S REMARKS


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Will the GOP Republican get rich by selling America party take credit for any of their disasters? GOP Republicans are successful at failing and hurting OUR COUNTRY in the eyes of the WORLD. Can we really afford to ignore what the ENTIRE WORLD THINKS OF US?


How does the WORLD perceive AMERICA led by Barack Obama? Extremely favorable.

How does the WORLD perceive AMERICA led by John McCain? Extremely negative.

FOUR MORE YEARS ANYONE?

Eventually, Americans will realize that doing the same thing (electing GOP Republicans) will not yield different results (stock market disasters, economic disasters, world view disasters, failed foreign policy disasters, failed domestic policies disasters).

Spraying perfume on a new GOP Republican Pig will not create a bright and shiny candidate. Garbage in equal garbage out. GOP Republican garbage in yield (stock market, economic, foreign relations, domestic policies) garbage out.

McCain has perpetually been a failure from school until now.
Palin Failin has perpetually been a failure (with a hillbilly hockey mom accent) from day one until now. Her bear hunting Arctic outback kids prove it.

Do you really need someone to tell you these basic facts? Under the Freedom of Information Act, all of this information is available free if you choose to type in the questions.

Lets prove to the Europeans and the World that we are not stupid, because they think that we are after two terms of Forrest Gump Bush.

Crash Every Plane McCain and Hillbilly Trailer Palin Failin are not reflective of the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

If Palin Failin had a brain, then she would have considered the immense responsibilities demanded of the Office of the United States Vice President or President; and politely declined McCain’s crack induced invitation. GOP Republican Party is a joke.

If FOX NEWS does not clean up it’s filthy RACIST acts of discrimination, then American and European audiences will B O Y C O T T FOX RACIST NEWS.


GOP Republican Wall Street Get Rich Quick By Robbing America TREASURY Wild Speculators Created The Enormous National Debt, So Make Them Pay For It And Balance Our Budget.
GOP Republican Wall Street Supercapitalism Speculators Have Committed Treason Against Our Country.


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REPORT SAYS GOP REPUBLICAN OIL AGENCY RAN AMOK

INVESTIGATION OF GOP REPUBLICAN OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET

INVESTIGATION OF GOP REPUBLICAN MINERALS MANAGEMENT SERVICE OIL MARKETING GROUP


GOP REPUBLICAN Government officials in charge of collecting BILLIONS of dollars worth of royalties from OIL and gas companies accepted gifts, steered contracts to favored clients and engaged in drug use and illicit sex with employees of the energy firms, federal investigators reported.

Investigators from the Interior Department's inspector general's office said more than a dozen employees, including the former director of the OIL royalty program, took meals, ski trips, sports tickets and golf outings from industry representatives. The report alleges that the former director, also netted more than $30,000 from improper outside work.

The report from Inspector General contains fresh allegations about the practices at the beleaguered royalty-in-kind program of Interior's Minerals Management Service, which last year collected more than $4 billion worth of OIL and natural gas from companies given contracts to tap energy on federal and Indian lands and offshore. The revelations come as Congress is set to consider opening the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and areas off the coast of Florida for drilling.

The royalty-in-kind program, based near Denver, allows energy companies to pay the government in OIL and gas, rather than cash, for the privilege of drilling on government land. It has been the subject of multiple investigations since 2006 by the Interior Department's secretary, its inspector general, the Justice Department and Congress for alleged mismanagement and conflicts of interest.

In the report released yesterday, investigators said they "discovered a culture of substance abuse and promiscuity" in which employees accepted gratuities "with prodigious frequency." The report cited one e-mail from a Shell Pipeline representative asking a woman in the royalty office to attend "tailgating festivities" at a Houston Texans football game: "You're invited . . . have you and the girls meet at my place at 6am for bubble baths and final prep."

Besides Shell, the energy company employees mentioned in the report worked for Chevron, Hess and Gary-Williams Energy. The social outings detailed in the report included alcohol-, cocaine- and marijuana-filled parties where certain employees of the Minerals Management Service were nicknamed the "MMS Chicks" by the energy employees. The companies paid for federal workers to attend football and baseball games, PGA Tour events, Colorado ski trips, paintball outings and "treasure hunts," investigators found.

"The OIL INDUSTRY holds shocking sway over the ADMINISTRATION and even KEY FEDERAL EMPLOYEES,". "This is why we must not allow BIG OIL'S AGENDA to be jammed through CONGRESS."

The current director of the Minerals Management Service, said that he takes the report "very seriously".
Employees identified in the report told investigators that they didn't think ethics rules applied to them because of their "unique" role in the agency and that they needed to socialize with industry representatives for "market intelligence," according to the report. Those employees, some of whom have been transferred to different offices, have been recommended for internal administrative action.

The inspector general's release comprised three separate reports, including one devoted to the program's director. It alleges that Smith improperly worked part time for Geomatrix Consultants, an Oakland, Calif.-based environmental and engineering firm, and marketed the company to government clients.

Additionally, the report said that the director had an inappropriate sexual relationship with a subordinate whom he paid to buy cocaine, promising her a bonus in return. The director admitted to the sexual encounter.

The director, who now works for a private OIL company in Denver, did not respond to requests for comment. Investigators referred their findings to federal prosecutors.

Justice officials also declined to comment on their decision about the criminal case against the highest-ranking official named in the report director of the Minerals Management Service, who worked in Washington. She is accused of improperly arranging a million-dollar deal for two retired employees.

The wife of the procurement policy administrator for the WHITE HOUSE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET, retired from government service Jan. 31. She declined to comment on the report. She told investigators she had a "personal issue. The Justice Department's decision to charge created a rift with Interior officials.

One of the two retired employees pleaded guilty in July to a federal conflict-of-interest charge related to the investigation. Another employee has been under investigation for similar conflict-of-interest allegations.

Before he left, Mayberry created a job for himself by writing the job description and the criteria for selecting the winning bidder, court documents show. He started a company out of his Texas home and was awarded a $150,000 contract in June 2003. He later hired Dial, the report said. Mayberry's firm collected $788,000 worth of contracts.

The royalty-in-kind program, which started as a small pilot project a decade ago, has been touted as a way to simplify the way OIL AND GAS COMPANIES pay for the right to drill on federal land and offshore. Instead of calculating the profit from a well, they can simply give the government one-eighth to one-sixth of whatever they take from the ground.

Revenue rose quickly, from $1.5 billion in 2004 to $4.3 billion last fiscal year. But the growth occurred "in an environment with relatively unstructured in-house oversight," the congressionally convened Royalty Policy Committee said in a December report. Previous reports have said that companies were allowed to revise their million-dollar bids for projects indiscriminately, that government workers routinely failed to seek out legal advice on complicated deals and that the agency used outdated computers and a $150 million software program that resulted in royalty money going uncollected.

A lawyer who represented states and tribes entitled to a cut of the royalties, said it was nearly impossible to get accurate numbers from the agency. "They kept hemming and hawing," she said.

In late 2006 questions arose over its handling of leases written in 1998 and 1999 that allowed major OIL companies drilling in the Gulf of Mexico to avoid BILLIONS of dollars in royalty payments.

Former Interior Department auditors accused the agency of failing to bill companies. "We weren't allowed to audit them. It was disturbing," said an auditor who sued the federal government for not collecting royalties. "You couldn't see what was going on."

The minerals agency director said that the harm done by the royalty employees was to public trust and TREASURY, and acknowledged that financial considerations were given to firms that gave favors to federal employees, and he said the contracts will be audited.


Do you really question the motives of GOP Republicans Criminals? America must Immediately Nationalize U.S. OIL and Gas For National Defense.

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DEMOCRAT HARVARD LAW VS. GOP REPUBLICAN CRASH JET AND MUDVILLE


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U.S. Presidents From Harvard Law
John Adams
John Quincy Adams
Rutherford Hayes
Theodore Roosevelt
Franklin Roosevelt
John Kennedy
Barack Obama


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President and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama Contrast With Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain


Growing Up

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain was privileged, given everything by both parents, and worked for nothing.


Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama grew up poor, raised by his Irish-American single white mother and Irish-American white working class maternal grand parents. Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama was given nothing and worked for everything.

Education

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain was a and graduated last in his class. Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain and McBush Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire share failed academic records. He partied constantly and dependent on favor handouts from his high ranking father and grandfather. Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain earned nothing on his own similar to McBush Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire. Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain is also Internet illiterate which slows down his information processing capacity. Is this good for the country?


Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama worked hard and became PRESIDENT OF THE HARVARD LAW REVIEW. Everything that Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama accomplished he did on his own. Irish-American Barack Obama’s HARVARD Scholarship ranks among the best. Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama’s hard work represents the American Dream.


Community Service

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain poor studies translated into poor performances in the military where he crashed several planes and recklessly endangered the lives of others. Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain was never trusted by his colleagues nor loved by his peers. The highlight of Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain’s career was getting shot down and becoming a prisoner. Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain served his country by getting handouts from his guards. Getting handouts seems to be Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain’s modem of operations. WillObscenelyRich Crash Every Plane McCain, who finished 894th out of 899 at the Naval Academy and who lost five jets, return competence to the White House? To lose one plane over Vietnam may be a heroic tragedy; to lose five planes here and there is carelessness.

Irish-American Barack Obama turned down large profits after graduating from HARVARD LAW to serve the community in Chicago where help was needed most. The community learned to trust and love Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama for his dedication to public service.


Marriage

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain walked out on his family to chase a younger woman who was on drugs, embezzling money from her company, stealing, and facing criminal charges, until her privileged family saved her from trial. Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain’s dysfunctional family represents chaos and lack of respect when he curses her in public.


Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama married an intelligent IVY LEAGUE attorney and adores his beautiful young daughters. Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama’s First Family represents what America is striving for. Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama has always been surrounded by and still maintains a great respect for women (Irish mother, Irish grandmother, sister, wife, and two daughters). If anyone is in tune with and favors the betterment of working American women, then it’s Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama.

International Diplomacy

The World wants no more chaotic McBush Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire- Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain.


The World loves Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama and will follow America’s leadership behind Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama.

If Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain had to make another emergency landing on a deserted island with Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama onboard as one of the passengers, then it is safe to say that Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain would assume the role of Gilligan, while Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama would assume the role of the professor.

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Hillary Clinton Will Destroy Sarah Palin Failin From Mooseville College.


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Navy pilot John Sidney Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.

His father John S. "Junior" McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe later becoming commander of American forces in Vietnam while Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain III was being held prisoner of war. Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain III's grandfather John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.

During his relative short stunt on flight status, Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft, four in accidents and one in combat.

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings. He was knocked unconscious by the impact coming to as the plane settled to the bottom.

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral."

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's third crash three occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game.

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's fourth aircraft loss occurred July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi.

"Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [ Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant."

When the communist learned that Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's father was Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific, he was rushed to Gai Lam military hospital.

The communist Vietnamese figured, because POW Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's father was of such high military rank, that he was of royalty or the governing circle. Thereafter the communist bragged that they had captured "the crown prince."

For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat. Since Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain got 28 medals, that equals out to a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more than 7,000 hours in combat where I'm sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down.

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed to gloss over his failures as a pilot and collaborations with the enemy by exaggerating his military service and lying about his feats of heroism.

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain has sprouted a halo and wings to become America's POW-hero presidential candidate.

Former naval officer and the owner of an OOIIILLLL-trading company that inked defense contracts worth $1 billion is the modern presidential money man. The law forbids high-level supporters from writing huge checks, but with help from friends in the Middle East Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain is receiving large donations.

If FOX NEWS does not clean up it’s filthy RACIST acts of discrimination, then American and European audiences will B O Y C O T T FOX RACIST NEWS.


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Barak Obama proved why November's presidential election will end in a 50-state sweep. John Crash Every Plane McCain has no chance. It's like George Bush climbing into the ring with Mike Tyson; one thundering left hook and the Crawford Caligula would be sprawled across the canvas. "No mas"! The same fate awaits the crabby senator from Arizona. The polls are skewed to look like there's a political horse-race going on. There isn't. It's a complete rout. There's one well-toned thoroughbred striding from venue to venue electrifying the ever-increasing throngs, and one doddering, old mare limping towards the glue-factory. Someone should put a stop to it before Crash Every Plane McCain gets hurt.

At the Victory Column in Berlin's Tiergarten, Obama extracted Old Glory from the burn-pile and gave Brand America a desperately needed shot of adrenaline. 200,000 ecstatic Germans jammed the streets in what turned out to be the political shindig of the year. Many of them were waving American flags and chanting, "Obama, Obama, Obama". It was like Jack Kennedy had risen from his moldy sepulcher and made his way across the pond for one last rousing ovation. Obama has the very same affect on crowds. Its a gift and he knows how to use it to great advantage.

"People of Berlin, people of the world, this is our moment, this is our time," Obama boomed. "I know my country has not perfected itself, we've made our share of mistakes and there are times when our actions around the world have not lived up to our best intentions. But the greatest danger of all is to allow new walls to divide us from one another."

What can we say about Obama's oratory skills that hasn't already been said? He is one of those unique characters who knows how to tap into the collective psyche and put them under his spell. He is the closest thing to a Pied Piper we've seen in the last half century. Whatever one thinks of his politics, his speeches are a welcome reprieve from the simian blabbering of President Dimwit.

"I speak to you not as a candidate for president, but as a citizen; a proud citizen of the United States and a fellow citizen of the world." (Roaring applause)

JOHN Crash Every Plane McCain: Maverick or Freak?
Have you taken a look at the crowds at a Crash Every Plane McCain event. Usually, there aren't any. Typically, there are more journalists and cameramen then people; and even they look bored. It's the truth. He generates no enthusiasm at all. None. He may be the most uninspiring, tedious, pure-vanilla candidate of all time; a complete dud. I challenge anyone to recite from memory anything John Crash Every Plane McCain has ever said in his 40 years in office. Time's up! When Crash Every Plane McCain begins to talk, its a signal for women to pull out the nail-files and for men to figure out how they're going to get out of cutting the lawn this week. Really. No one listens.

And the people that do manage to drag themselves to his speeches out of a sense of obligation are (you guessed it) scowling white guys with baseball caps pulled tightly over their ears or nearly-ambulatory Korea-era Vets who think the United Nations is a communist front-group that's planning to air-drop blue-helmets into Duluth to take over the United States. Tin-foil hats anyone?

Popularity and charisma, how does one survive in politics with neither. That's the question, and it may be the biggest mystery of Crash Every Plane McCain's candidacy. He's just not a likable guy. No one ever talks about hanging out and having a beer with John Crash Every Plane McCain, because they know that he might go "Jackie Chan" and start busting the place up. And he's utterly impossible to listen to. His high-pitched squeaky voice is about two octaves higher than a dog-whistle and twice as annoying. So how is he going to beat Obama. It's a total mismatch.

Crash Every Plane McCain is the perfect candidate for the GOP Republic party that has completely collapsed. He's like the "Jolly Roger" on the front of an iodine bottle; Brand X. In 2000, the Republican Party boasted it was the "party of ideas". What ideas? The Republican Party has never had ideas because the corporate mandarins and blue-blooded kleptocrats that run the party are suspicious of ideas, ideology, doctrine, philosophy or anything else that veers from their primary objectives of crushing the poor, despoiling the environment, carpet-bombing brown people wherever they may be, and enriching themselves. That's all they care about. The task of the right-wing think-tanks is to treat "war and tax cuts" like they're ideas. They're not. But war and tax cuts ARE the two foundation blocks of the Republican Party. There's nothing else; there never has been. Don't look for ideas; there aren't any. GOP Republican get rich quick by defrauding the AMERICAN PEOPLE, robbing the National TREASURY, sending American jobs overseas, and raising the national debt.

Hold Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Crash Every Plane McCain accountable for the crimes they've committed during their time in office.

Obama is not a candidate; he's a phenomenon. Obama is an explosive, vital, charismatic politician. When he speaks people feel better about themselves and their country. And, they're more hopeful about the future, too. That's what makes him unbeatable.

Crash Every Plane McCain, on the other hand, is the perfect embodiment of his party; a rusty, broken-down hulk that's been stripped of its engine, its fenders and all its moving parts. Even the steering wheel is gone. It's a dead-loss; nothing is salvageable.

Crash Every Plane McCain is in way over his head. This election is going to be a real embarrassment for him. It's too bad. He should be back at the Phoenix Rest Home shooing kids off the front lawn instead of waiting for the ax to fall in November. It's a rotten way to end a career.

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GOP Republican Wall Street SRO (Self Regulatory Organization) Robber Baron Supercapitalism Is Down And Will No Longer Rob the U.S. TREASURY and AMERICAN PEOPLE


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GOP REPUBLICAN PLANE/TRAILER WRECK MCCAIN/PALIN FAILIN

With Wall Street OOOIIIIILLLLLL stocks paid under the table to Sarah Palin Failin OOOOIIIIILLLLLL Commissioner from OOOOOIIIIIILLLLLLL Millionaires Crash Every Plane McCain, Bush, Cheney, Rice and Guiliani; it appears that Sarah Palin Failin OOOOIIIIILLLLLL Commissioner, her large family, dogs, cats, chickens, and hogs can now move out of their trailer. Guiliani went from GOP front runner to anonymous polygamist. Guiliani is the biggest joke and shares home dysfunction with Bush, Cheney, Rice, Crash Every Plane McCain and now Sarah trailer Palin Failin OOOOIIIIILLLLLL Commissioner. OOOOIIIIILLLLLLL MILLIONS stolen from Our TREASURY did not help their dysfunctional families.

GOP Republican Wall Street Get Rich by robbing the American TREASURY and outsourcing American jobs party has officially been dissolved. Plane wreck McCrash and Train wreck Trailer Palin Failin OOOOIIIIILLLLLL Commissioners have destroyed the already dysfunctional GOP Republican Party of Corporate Welfare Thieves.

Democrats and Independents are the official parties. Blessings to America and the World for peaceful cooperation and the elimination of unjust wars for GOP profits. The People First Party has arrived and Rich Wall Street millionaires will no longer use the AMERICAN PEOPLE as their cattle. Americans today are all free independent Democratic People in pursuit of happiness in the spirit of cooperation.

“We joined up with an altruistic vision of promoting freedom and justice around the world,” said Vince Emanuel, a Marine lance corporal who did a tour of duty in Iraq from August 2004 to April 2005, explaining why he was marching and protesting the GOP Republican Convention.

“Except we saw the killing of innocent people and the destruction of property ... for a lot of us it was very disenfranchising."

The veterans group tried to hand a message to the campaign of GOP Republican John Crash Every Plane McCain calling for a withdrawal from Iraq, reparations for the Iraqi people, and full medical benefits for veterans. No one from John Crash Every Plane McCain’s campaign received them.


If FOX NEWS does not clean up it’s filthy RACIST acts of discrimination, then American and European audiences will B O Y C O T T FOX RACIST NEWS.


GOP Republican Wall Street SRO (Self Regulatory Organization) Robber Baron Supercapitalism Is Down And Will No Longer Rob the U.S. TREASURY and AMERICAN PEOPLE

Prerequisite for the United Stats President and Vice President is advance degrees, especially in Constitutional Law. McCain and hillbilly Palin Failin are excluded from the highest offices in the World. The debates will be fun: Harvard Law vs. Crash Jet and Mudville.

GOP Republican Wall Street Get Rich Quick By Robbing America TREASURY Wild Speculators Created The Enormous National Debt, So Make Them Pay For It And Balance Our Budget.
GOP Republican Wall Street Supercapitalism Speculators Have Committed Treason Against Our Country.

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What has WALL STREET SUPER-CAPITALISM brought you besides:

Cluttered homes full of useless crap

Semi-illiterate teenage sons on alcohol and drugs

Semi-illiterate teenage daughters on drugs and having unwanted babies

Selfish lifestyles mimicking immoral rich people with off the chart divorce rates

Depress people living alone and addicted to church on TV or pornography

Guns deregulation freeing children to murder each other in school and after school

Prime time television soft pornography for the kids to mimic

Daughters dressing like prostitutes

Sons dressing like homeless

GREED GREED GREED steal money from your neighbors through wild WALL STREET speculations

SELL SELL SELL BUY BUY BUY (It is all enslaving crap)

Super Rich becomes more Super Rich, while the middle class becomes poor

College graduates cannot afford a small home and must live in their parents’ basements

Clinton left the United States with a surplus

GOP Republicans have stolen all of the Treasury surplus plus another $3Trillion. Let the trials and confiscation (America versus Super Rich GOP Republican Criminals) begin

The American People will prevail over Super Rich Greedy Lawless Super Rich GOP Republicans

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HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON ANGERED BY SARAH PALIN’S REMARKS

Hillary wants to know if Palin wants to run the United States in the same manner that she and McCain ran their dysfunctional families. With the nomination of hockey mom Sarah Palin, John McCain has official transformed the defunct GOP Republican Party into a circus complete with a lipstick wearing pig clown displaying the IQ of a cockatoo. Hillary added that Sarah Palin’s pathological lies and unprofessional name calling led to the five letter word pertaining to an Arctic hillbilly (P A L I N).

Posted by: dwashington1 | October 8, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

paster123 said - switch it up and have a chance, or should we all stay home and just let Obama take the white house?
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Please stay home. If all of the right wing wingnuts stay home, maybe this country will stand a chance. Otherwise it will be McSame and his mutt Palin ruining the country.

Posted by: xconservative | October 8, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama does not told us the name of his potential US Secretary of Treasury. Senator McCain answered in a straight manner: The Ebay's CEO.
Also, McCain, proposed that the Federal Government shiulg buy up the bad home loan mortgages in America; and renegotiate at the new market value. This is real change!
No Obama!

Posted by: mmarii | October 8, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama was calm and self-confident--we are going to need that during these crazy times.

Posted by: rusty3 | October 8, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

If we haven't learned the lesson of electing a president who is "down home", uses his accent as a weapon against intelligence and articulate thinking, if we haven't learned that the president needs to be a person who thinks clearly and is not afraid to demonstrate that they have a brain and an education, then we get what we deserve. I for one believe that the president needs to be a thoughtful, intelligent leader who uses his brain to help the nation and the world. Somehow the "you betchas" and the "my friends" of the McCain/Palin team scare me because I think they are trying very hard to make the American public think they are something they are not. We need leaders who lead not people who try to sound like everybody else.

Posted by: jackwendy | October 8, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse


It's back to the real Palin, the one who doesn't have note cards to glance at, who doesn't have the advantage of several days of prep:

Asked if she thought Senator Obama was dishonest, McCain’s Palin meandered:

“I’m not saying he’s dishonest, but in terms of judgment, in terms of being able to answer a question forthrightly, it has two different parts to this. The judgment and the truthfulness and just being able to answer very candidly a simple question about when did you know him, how did you know him, is there still — has there been an association continued since ’02 or ’05, I know I’ve read a couple different stories. I think it’s relevant.”

I defy you to conjugate that sentence.

Posted by: monk4hall | October 8, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

At times while Senator McCain wandered the stage while Senator Obama spoke I expected a nurse to come out and lead him back to his seat.

Posted by: mspezicat46 | October 8, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I do not drink beer. I do not want to have a beer with the President.

Therefore I am NOT joe sixpack nor do I want to vote for anybody who reminds me of a drunk.

Doncha know my friend, wink wink.

Posted by: McCainIsPopeye | October 8, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Sounded like McCain was gasping for breath with each answer he gave. Did anyone else notice this????

Posted by: buzzsaw1 | October 8, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

It appeared to me that McCain was more into a recitation of campaign ads and not as analytical and clear as Obama. In other words, obama came across as much more Presidential.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | October 8, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

McCain apparently agrees that "My friends" is getting a bit old. Today, he changed it to "My fellow prisoners."

Posted by: thrh | October 8, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

John McCain and Sarah Palin are the two most annoying human beings who have ever run for national office. Cindy McCain in full cry is a close third. Imagine having a relaxing brew with that trifecta. Sarah Palin screeching, "the truth won out" should make anyone run for the volume control. Let's ditch these morons and go with the two Democrats with law degrees and much better ideas. I too long for leaders who can explain complex ideas in complete sentences.

Posted by: maxfli68 | October 8, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

The commment about McCain's "Depends" discomfort made me laugh out loud.

Very witty remark, thanks!

Posted by: gauntowl | October 8, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

As CarlC commented, I also found it odd that McCain routinely switched between sitting and standing during Obama's speaking time. At one point, he walked nearly all the way to Tom Brokaw's seat and just stood there. To me, this conveyed restlessness or nervousness. That is assuming it was unintentional. If it was intentional, it was petty and rude.

I was severely disappointed that neither McCain nor Obama was honest with the American people about the reality that we can't afford to cut taxes. As if taxes are inherently evil. Our taxes pay for infrastructure (bridge and road repairs, military, police, etc.), and they also help our government pay for the programs millions of Americans need. Any additional tax cuts, especially when our government has such a massive debt, will destroy our economy. This is why Bush's tax cuts at the beginning of Afghanistan and Iraq were a terrible idea. It's basic business cash flow - if you decrease income and increase spending, you're going to end up in debt.

For the first time since World War II, I heard a politician asking the American people to make sacrifices to support the American economy during wartime. Joe Biden rightfully called stepping up and paying taxes "patriotic." In doing so, you increase government's ability to support our troops and maintain existing infrastructure and programs. While the media called this a gaffe, I considered it the smartest thing I've heard in my lifetime. I encourage you to take a different look at taxes. They fund everything from schools to public parks. So stop being selfish, stop complaining, and let's all help turn the deficit into a surplus.

Posted by: damascuspride04 | October 8, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Democrat, and until a month ago I respected John McCain and would have considered voting for him. But I just can't understand his campaign. He had a great reputation for honesty and integrity, but he's completely ruined it with the unconscionable selection of Palin, and the disgraceful swift-boat attacks. The cynical and dangerous choice Palin severely dented McCain's credibility in terms of patriotism - he clearly put winning the election above the best interests of the country. And the Rovian attacks and lies finished off his reputation - he claimed he'd never do to others what Rove did to him in 2000, but that obviously isn't true. His campaign tactics are so incongruous to his reputation, I really wonder if McCain is still in charge of his own campaign. I find it very sad. But in any case, it makes it easy for me - I'm putting country first and voting Obama.

Posted by: chiefnugt | October 8, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

"I believe it is time to portray to the entire nation the man, with all the magic of his personality, all the mysterious genius and irresistible power of his personality. There is probably no one left on the planet who does not know him as a statesman and as a remarkable popular leader. Only a few, however, have the pleasure of seeing him as a man each day from close up, to experience him, and as I might add, to come as a result to a deeper understanding and love for him. These few wonder how it is possible that a man who only three years ago was opposed by half of the nation stands today above any doubt and every criticism. OUR NATION has found a unity which will never be shaken; HE is the man of fate, who has the calling to save the nation from terrible internal conflict and shameful foreign disgrace, to lead it to longed-for freedom.

That one man has captured the hearts of the whole nation, despite the sometimes difficult and unpopular decisions he had to make, is perhaps the deepest, most amazing secret of our age. It cannot be explained only by his accomplishments, for it is just those who have had to make the heaviest sacrifices for him and for national reconstruction, indeed who must still bring them, who have sensed his mission in the deepest and most joyful way. They are the ones who have the most honest and passionate love for him AS AS LEADER AND as a man. That is the result of the magic of his personality and the deep mystery of his pure and honest humanity,"

JOSEPH GOEBBLES-ON ADOLPH HITLER'S BIRTHDAY

Posted by: mharwick | October 8, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

mspezicat46 wrote at 5:04 pm: "At times while Senator McCain wandered the stage while Senator Obama spoke I expected a nurse to come out and lead him back to his seat."

At times while McCain was wandering around, I almost expected him to pull out a weapon and shoot Obama -- his anger was so obvious.

And regarding his "wheezing," I thought it was just a new tone of voice that he was practicing as he was urging the audience "We can do it!" and similar comments. To me it sounded like a breathy whisper used by someone who knows a wonderful secret! that he's only going to share with you! because you're! his special! friend! The only time I noticed his tone change was when Obama was criticizing him for being wrong about the Middle East, and then McCain's voice became hard again, as it was in the first debate. (I *think* that's when his voice changed; I can't stand to watch the whole thing over again to make sure.)

Posted by: Keybroad | October 8, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Depending on the media you followed the debate on, different opinions can be formed. Having listened to the both debates on the radio it seemed that Obama was the candidate looking, searching and mumbling for the coherant answer during the second debate. Debate 1 would have put Obama on top. Yesterday's debate, however, clearly put McCain as more assertive candidate while answering questions and explaining his views.

Posted by: TheOtherGuy | October 8, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

All you inside the beltway fruits and nuts have no idea what its like around the country...

Who cares who is the best at a debate?

When one candidate has no executive or management experience, has spent a lifetime associating with hate America Tyrants and Terrorists, the majority of his friends have questionable backgrounds,

Even if you do see him as YOUR Messiah, it doesn't matter. he will go down like just another Michael Dukakis

Posted by: StarsAndStripesForever | October 8, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Don't be so thrilled that 4 out of fice networks piling on and abusing mcCain for weeks has rattled him to a degree.

The result may well be a president with hardly any real experience, not even a Governorship under his belt. With his politics so far to the Left that he is about as practical as a college English professor.

All while the world remains a very dangerous place and a free market economy, imperfect though it is, works (most of the time) far better than anything else.

Yeah, I'll take the guy who stammers. the guy that the know-it-all Left-controlled media wants to shoot down any time.

Posted by: sean7phil | October 8, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

"...On the debate, Obama has two negative professorial qualities: (1) he wants to include every datum he has in his answers, when he would be better off sticking to the high-return items, as he showed tonight in his answer about Pakistan and getting Bin Laden; (2) he is unable to let a wrong-headed criticism or fact just go by him and hit the wall. He seems intent on answering every charge, even those without substance or displaying nothing but mean spirit. He would be better off just letting these go past him and hit the wall and slither down slowly, demanding their own negative attention. His insistent responses just call attention away from losers."

Ljwaks, you can't. Not with this cognitively challenged electorate. If Obama had been giving an encyclopedia in response to every question, that'd be one thing; His nailing most of the charges heedlessly hurled his way by McCain is another. He let's those go by and you wind up with that New Mexico hispanic housewife, on Soledad O'brien's CNN post-debate segment, who claimed McCain explained everything in detail and Obama said nothing [after the group canvassed by O'brien voted 15-10 that Obama'd won, while claiming that they'd rather see McCain, by 14-11, as President]. If you make it as difficult as possible for anti-Obamites to rationally justify their vote, Dems might squeeze out a win; otherwise, they'll vote their ignorance and Dems will be on the receiving end of it.*

*I'm not afraid of being called an elitist or calling it as I see it.

Posted by: stoneman48 | October 8, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

To the poster who wrote : "Sen. John McCain clearly won last night's debate.

and signed it "Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008."
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Hey! You two should come over for pizza sometime.

Posted by: davidscott1 | October 8, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

To hell with complete sentences: let's demand honesty!

First question: What can gov't do to make my life better soon?

Honest answer: Sorry hun, the recovery won't be fast and it won't be pretty. By the way, did you drink the Reagan-Stockman-Bush(es)-Rove-Graham cool-aid? I'm sorry, gov't's job is not to provide a free-lunch. We can't cut taxes and give you everything that you want.

Why don't you consider informing yourself, then demanding that your representatives actually "represent" your interests - both in terms of expenditures AND revenues.

Posted by: fr3dmars | October 8, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Even if you do see him as YOUR Messiah, it doesn't matter. he will go down like just another Michael Dukakis

Posted by: StarsAndStripesForever | October 8, 2008 8:53 PM
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Uh, don't look now, but a month before the 1988 election, the fact that Bush Sr would win was no secret to pollsters. Your guy McCain is in deep trouble and he's running out of calendar.

Posted by: davidscott1 | October 8, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

It's embarrasing to think that McCain,along with Caribou Barbie, is the best Republican they have to offer. I wouldn't hire them to run a 7-11 let alone President and Vice President. Anyone supporting these two show no signs of brain activity.

Be serious people,C'Mon!

Posted by: jime2000 | October 8, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

StarsAndStripesForever = unAmerican uber-puke!

Posted by: camera_eye_11 | October 8, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

digitalpublius

George W. had a lot of guts. You're kidding I hope. Were his guts demonstrated during the Vietnam War? Were they demonstrated when he told our enemies to "bring it on?"

The guy is a fake who is full of bluster and no substance.

Posted by: msweeney2 | October 8, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

REZKO MAY GET A FULL SENTENCE-IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN?THE OBAMA-AYERS CONNECTION

By DICK MORRIS

Published on TheHill.com on October 7, 2008

In the best tradition of Bill Clinton's famous declaration that the answer to the question of whether or not he was having an affair with Monica depended on "what the definition of 'is' is," Barack Obama was clearly splitting hairs and concealing the truth when he said that William Ayers was "just a guy who lives in my neighborhood."

The records of the administration of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), released last week by the University of Illinois, show that the Ayers-Obama connection was, in fact, an intimate collaboration and that it led to the only executive or administrative experience in Obama's life.

After Walter Annenberg's foundation offered several hundred million dollars to American public schools in the mid-'90s, William Ayers applied for $50 million for Chicago. The purpose of his application was to secure funds to "raise political consciousness" in Chicago's public schools. After he won the grant, Ayers's group chose Barack Obama to distribute the money. Between 1995 and 1999, Obama distributed the $50 million and raised another $60 million from other civic groups to augment it. In doing so, he was following Ayers's admonition to grant the funds to "external" organizations, like American Community Organizations for Reform

Now (ACORN) to pair with schools and conduct programs to radicalize the students and politicize them.

Reading, math and science achievement tests counted for little in the CAC grants, but the school's success in preaching a radical political agenda determined how much money they got.

Barack Obama should have run screaming at the sight of William Ayers and his wife, Bernadette Dohrn. Ayers has admitted bombing the U.S. Capitol building and the Pentagon, and his wife was sent to prison for failing to cooperate in solving the robbery of a Brink's armored car in which two police officers were killed. Far from remorse, Ayers told The New York Times in September 2001 that he "wished he could have done more."

Ayers only avoided conviction when the evidence against him turned out to be contained in illegally obtained wiretaps by the FBI. He was, in fact, guilty as sin.

That Obama should ally himself with Ayers is almost beyond understanding. The former terrorist had not repented of his views and the education grants he got were expressly designed to further them.

So let's sum up Obama's Chicago connections. His chief financial supporter was Tony Rezko, now on his way to federal prison. His spiritual adviser and mentor was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, of "God damn America" fame. And the guy who got him his only administrative job and put him in charge of doling out $50 million is William Ayers, a terrorist who was a domestic Osama bin Laden in his youth.

Even apart from the details of the Obama/Ayers connection, two key points emerge:

a) Obama lied and misled the American people in his description of his relationship with Ayers as casual and arm's-length; and

b) Obama was consciously guided by Ayers's radical philosophy, rooted in the teachings of leftist Saul Alinksy, in his distribution of CAC grant funds.

Since Obama is asking us to let him direct education spending by the federal government and wants us to trust his veracity, these are difficulties he will have to explain in order to get the votes to win.

Now that Obama is comfortably ahead in the polls, attention will understandably shift to him. We will want to know what kind of president he would make. The fact that, within the past 10 years, he participated in a radical program of political education conceptualized by an admitted radical terrorist offers no reassurance.

Why did Obama put up with Ayers? Because he got a big job and $50 million of patronage to distribute to his friends and supporters in Chicago. Why did he hang out with Jeremiah Wright? Because he was new in town, having grown up in Hawaii and Indonesia and having been educated at Columbia and Harvard, and needed all the local introductions he could get to jump-start his political career. Why was he so close to Rezko?

Because he funded Obama's campaigns and helped him buy a house for $300,000 less than he otherwise would have had to pay.

Not a good recommendation for a president.

Posted by: mharwick | October 8, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

I thing John McCain will either BAIL OUT or suffer damage to his legs in the "NEXT ONE" that's a "THAT ONE"
And the crippled had no legs today!
He ain't gonna be better looking next week! Bring on his winking , jiving ,,PROSISTITUTE,,aka , the Alaskan Govenor ,,SARAH PAHLIN!

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/fear-and-loathing-in-town-hall.html

Tuesday, October 07, 2008
Fear and Loathing in the Town Hall: A Predictive Fantasy

(The camera looks at the hall from above, into the hall, from the POV of the stage. Red meat has been hung from the walls and rafters, along with dollar bills which, upon closer inspection, are prop money.

The crowd is seated. They are strangely quiet. Their manner is that between those who are waiting for their instructions, post-op surgical recoverees, and post-war survivors. They are slightly slumped, in the same posture.

The candidates enter from opposite sides of the rear of the stage and walk to their podiums. The crowd rises as one and cheers with a loud, aggressive fervor reflective of their desperation.

Obama is standing tall in stride, looking a bit overcome by the experience, although genuine. McCain is smiling--his cheerful public grimace, although there is some genuine pleasure. His eyes have the slightest glaze of a gradually oncoming fog.)

MODERATOR: Tonight is a different format--one where you, the public, can ask your questions directly to the candidates. None of the questions have been screened in advance, and the candidates have been given no advance notice of what the questions, or who the questioners, might be. And with that, we begin. Our first question:

CITIZEN 1: My name is Jan, I'm from Murfreesboro? I've been watching the news, and I'm scared. I can't say that I've listened much about the stock market before? But I know that it's going down, and that's bad. I don't know what's going to happen to my job, or my house, or my kids. My question is for Mr. McCain? What will you do to help us understand what is going on, and to make it clear just what you will do about it?

(Crowd applauds vigorously as Jan sits down with a bit of embarrassment).

MCCAIN: (Holding the top of the rostrum with both hands and smiling): Well, first, I want to welcome each of you here tonight. You know, I know what each of you are feeling. I think that each of you must be scared--as I am, of not verifying myself in my father's and my grandfather's eyes. But, that's not so important today--or, at least saying it isn't. What is most important is to appear that I understand an economy that just months ago I said that I had little understanding of at all. I want to win. I need it, frankly, as a way of overcoming my own personal horrors and demons, of overcoming the anger that was bestowed and thrust, unwillingly, upon me. And that's why I'm still willing, even as the sharpest edges of mental function fade, to propel myself through this mass of insult. I understand how to respond to insult. With anger. And impulse. And that's what I'll bring to the White House, come January of 2009.

(Crowd applauds vigorously)

MODERATOR: The next question is for Senator Obama.

CITIZEN 2: Thanks. My name is Ross, from Shreveport. First-time caller, long-time listener. My question is: Senator Obama, it's not an error that you were given the middle name "Barack". We know that that is the same name of the murderous. Communist leader of Iran--and that's no accident. (A slight murmur from the crowd. The moderator looks vaguely stunned, but does not interrupt). Now, when you were going to Russia, with Bill Ayers, and dodging the draft--just like William Jefferson Clinton--(speaking more quickly now, more aggressively, turning to the crowd)--why weren't you here at home, saving our banks from the Liberals and the Socialists who want to take our money away from us and just give it to the terrorists?

SARAH PALIN: (Poking her head out from the wings, with a big smile): You betcha'!

(She withdraws).

OBAMA: Well. First of all, I also want to welcome you all here tonight. You know, I know that this is a difficult time. Many of you are worried about your jobs, your families, your homes. There are times that test a man's soul, and every woman's as well. And I know that this may be one of those times. I can understand why you would be frightened, even angry at what this nation has done. But we are a nation that has risen up in adversity even in the best of times, we found our strength, and honor, and courage, our ability to work as one, when faced with the most difficult situations. And I want to call on each of you, in that spirit of patriotic sacrifice, to join with me in that effort in the days ahead.

(Silence. Then applause, as the recognition of actual thought begins to spread through the crowd. It swells, and finally, subsides).

MODERATOR: The next question is for Senator McCain.

CITIZEN 3 (He is a man who appears to be in his early 40's wearing blue jeans that are stiff and obviously brand-new. They are perfectly creased. He is wearing a tight fitting, also obviously new T-Shirt that says "Average American...And Black With Rage!" beneath which is an American flag. He is wearing black wing-tip shoes. ). Senator McCain, I'm just an average American, just an average Joe, just your Average Joe-Sixpack (Blackberry begins ringing)...Oh...
excuse me...just...a...sec...my boss's phone...(whispering tensely into phone:) "No...I said sell. Sell. Yes, the entire portfolio. No, not Ghanan timber, for god's sake, gold, the lot of it. Jesus H....(tucks Blackberry back into pants pocket and then readjusts his stance to that of average Joe, slumping to one side again and changing his voice back to it's original tenor). Like I said, just an average Joe Sixpack. And I'm wonderin'. I heard what Mr. Hussein just said about "rising up", and I'm wonderin' if that's exactly what he wants to do! Oh, sure, he wants us to band together to rise up--where have we heard that before? Socialists! That's what they do! (crowd begins to murmur, and in the rising heat, the smell of the fresh meat begins to waft faintly through the hall). Rise up! That's what he wants to do! Well, we need to rise up! Against those kind of Socialist, Communist, Fascist, Atheist, Marxist policies! (the crowd is talking, some nodding their heads). And so what I want to ask you, Sen. McCain (crowd quiets), as an average everyday American, is this: What is it like, being a fighter pilot and all, when you know that Barack Hussein was out there, palling around with his Communist friends?

MCCAIN: Well, my friend--and by that, I mean that all of you are my friends--I'm glad you asked. Not everyone has had the luxury of gaining an education merely on the basis of their own talent, or the opportunity to travel the world learning how to be separate from important family members without their having significant pull, or to be able to experience the variety of foods that one has the chance to consume when they are paid for by the State. And, I can say that, in that way, I haven't been quiet as lucky. But I will say this--I will not look such fortune in the face and say: 'Fine, I'll work on education with the Bill Ayers of this world', "I'll be at the top of my class at Harvard", when I can be down, down there with you at the bottom! I know what it's like to be at the bottom when I've had all the opportunities--and I want to share that experience with those of you who have had none. You're angry. I'm angry. We have that in common. Let's be angry together, satisfied that, for another for four years, we've put those who have the arrogance to think for extended periods in their place, content in knowing that we're right--even if we're wrong.

CITIZEN 4: Hiya. My name is George, from Midland, altho' some would say Kennebunkport, heh, heh. I have a question for ya, John, and it's this. Listen: I'm goin' to be out of a job soon. Oil futures aren't lookin' that good, and I've got to tell ya', I didn't have too much luck there in the first place. So I'd like to ask ya, one flyin' man to another--what do you think I oughta do?

PALIN: (emerges from wings with purposeful strides to McCain's podium): I've got to take this one, John. Mr. Bush, if you can't figure out what you want to do after you leave and we move in, take a little time off, and then you come right up to Alaska. They love hunting just like you--and you can fly, you can learn to do it from a plane! The pipeline's big enough for any number of mistakes. So you come up here when you're finished--we've got plenty of bars with plenty of bowls of nuts and plenty of televisions right on Wasiila Main street--we'll take care of you right!

(Bush smiles and sits, crowd applauds, Palin, smiling and waving, exits).

CITIZEN 5: Well, look. This is a serious question. I'm John, from Carpenter. It's for both of you. I've got two kids, 4 and 6, a boy and a girl--so sweet. You know. My wife, she was working for the WaMu branch, center of town. It's closing next week. She's been looking in the ads, the newspapers, online--nothing. It's all she can do to keep a smile on her face for the kids. Myself, I built a commerical trucking business from the ground up. Sixteen years. Sweat everyday, grease on my hands, I can never get it out. We were never rich, but I made a good living. I didn't know about investing--who does, you're not born with it! Anyway, I went to an investment advisor, it seemed like the safe thing to do, protect the kids, plan for the future, not use my own dumb head (smiles). Well, he was so smart, and he was so sure, and he had it all planned out. And it looked so impressive on paper. Now--all of a sudden--it's gone. Everything is changing. It's changing so quickly. It seems like nobody--nobody knew. Not even the people who were supposed to! Everybody was talkin', makin noise, thinkin' of one thing: Themselves, themselves, themselves. Never worrying to think about someone else, about the future, about the next moment.

Well, now the next moment is here. And I wanna know--what are the two of you really going to do about it?

(The room is quiet as his last word echoes in the hall. The raw meat is rocking, slowly in the air, and the paper bills are gently fluttering). You can see Palin in profile, standing in the wings, holding her chin in her hand. The two candidates stare straight ahead, holding the podium. They are silent).

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/fear-and-loathing-in-town-hall.html

Posted by: robthewsoncamb | October 8, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Look, Bush/Cheney must be Executed to restore HONISTY for AMERICA!

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

The word is HONESTY ,,sorry for the misspelling,,and the old feeling called "HONESTY"!

Kids today throw cellphones in the Library,,the Mothers let them loose in Park! And every Lawyer ia waiting for me to KILL ONE OF THESE misbehaved humans.
GOOD LUCK!!

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

GEORGE BUSH MUST DIE!! NOW!!

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

George Bush and his bandits have stolen half of my money,,rest to sure I'm going to come out gunning! Blow the basturds heads off,,,that's what I say!!

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Shame on you for saying that full sentences are a mark of high-minded preppiness. Double PLUS Ungood Shame!

Obama did just fine. On that we agree.

I don't think Obama is wrong to avoid frightening the electorate by showing that he sees the full scope of the crisis. I believe that he likely does understand its scope. But he likely also understands that his mere presence, and the degree of change he has already advocated, is as much revolution as the electorate is prepared to take right now. He should let the electorate call for the degree of change that it wants, and respond to that call, as he has done up to this point.

I believe that Obama is right to stick to clear, common sense, and to avoid sweeping FDR-like calls to destiny. I love those old FDR speeches (I read them and RFK's for inspiration), but let's be realistic: much of the nation would not accept a call for "bold, persistent experimentation" from a Black person. He's bold enough just being there and speaking in full sentences. (Even I answer "Good!" instead of "Well" when the grocery checkout lady asks me "How're ya doin'?" to avoid sounding too educated. I wonder if she's fooled?)

FDR could carry off a call for sweeping reform, barely, because he was rich and white and from The Establishment. But the nation is not yet ready for a Black FDR. It was barely ready for a white one. Even FDR couldn't make the depth and breadth of changes he had hoped to do to preserve the economy, leaving some of his supporters to call the job done only "half way", and to support him only "half way".

I hope Obama does steer the ship as well as FDR did, when it comes to the point. And I sure hope he has a 21'st Century Economic Brain Trust waiting in the wings to help steer us through this mess. But no need to frighten the voters right now with scenarios from the great depression. Most of them have never even heard of Tugwell or Moley or Frances Perkins. (Except for a passing reference in the 1980's movie "Dirty Dancing"!)

Posted by: TQWoods | October 9, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

When AMERICA get's going..that's the ticket!
We are still "THE HOME OF THE BRAVE, THE LAND OF THE FREE",,make no mistake about it!

Posted by: harried | October 9, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

By the way, the various posts calling for violence against sitting officials and carrying on about Senator McCain's plane crashes are tacky, to say the least.

Posted by: TQWoods | October 9, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

In praise of accurate commentary:
In your commentary you state: you found something "Hooveresque in McCain’s repeated insistence on the need to cut federal spending as a response to the economic crisis -- even to the point of calling for a spending freeze. That same kind of anti-government, anti-spending rhetoric was at the center of Hoover’s disastrously failed recovery plan"
I thought Hoover's Revenue Act of 1932 significantly raised taxes on the rich from 25% to 63% and that he initiated some of the largest spending programs ever by the federal government. During the election FDR accused Hoover of spending and taxing too much thereby worsening the Depression.

Posted by: hauerbach1 | October 9, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

can someone please explain to me why the same posters, bloggers, and co-op writers out there can be both anti-wall street and pro-elitist? i mean aren't they basically educationally, tempermentally, and morally the same tpyes of person? how can we esteem smart people in every area of our society except when they are actively manipulating, through their intelligence, a system for their own selfish benefit? it is strange to me more people haven't caught onto this disjointed logic. wouldn't we rather have simple (not stupid) honest people, over clever dishonest people? one should hope for clever honest people, but the economic system (capitalism) we have created, as history continues to show, disproportionatley rewards the former.

Posted by: iluminate | October 9, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

On the news tonight, I listened to a group of women talk about why they're voting for McCain/Palin. It's because they LOVE Palin. And they love Palin because she's "just like us."

Personally, I'd rather have people as President and Vice President who are smarter than I am, wiser than I am, have better judgment than I do, and are more articulate than I am. And I'm a pretty smart, wise, judicious, and articulate person.

Posted by: Kaelinda1 | October 10, 2008 3:54 AM | Report abuse

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