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The Town Hall Debate: Old John

Well, so much for the idea that the town hall format helps John McCain.

In the town halls staged by his campaign, where the crowds are composed almost entirely of his supporters, McCain has been relaxed, and has been on the stage by himself. In Nashville tonight, neither of those particulars applied. Instead, as he and Barack Obama wandered around the stage, McCain overwhelmingly conveyed the impression -- not to put too fine a point on it -- that he’s old.

In fact, McCain looks older than he is. He cannot move as easily or fluidly as he could had he not had his limbs broken while a prisoner of war. But he was stiff in a format that rewards fluidness. And that sense of age was accentuated by the contrast with Obama and by a number of McCain’s answers and comments. As I look at my notes from tonight’s debate, I see that I marked McCain’s appearance twice – first, when he answered the question of what to do about entitlements by referring to the deal Ronald Reagan and Tip O’Neill worked out 25 years ago, and, second, as he moved across the stage following an Obama answer that referenced the need to anticipate 21st-century challenges.

McCain started the evening with a bang -- his proposal to direct the Treasury secretary to buy up and work out all the threatened mortgages in the land. How new this proposal actually is -- the $700 billion bailout bill allows the secretary to do just that, though it does not direct him to do so -- can be debated. But McCain did not follow it up in any serious way during the rest of the discussion of the economic crisis, reverting whenever possible -- and at times when not -- to his comfort zone of earmarks. Obama didn’t unveil anything new, but time and again he spoke more directly of the plight of ordinary Americans than McCain is capable of doing. In a sense, Obama has learned a key lesson from the master of such things, Bill Clinton: You don’t have to promise to solve every economic problem, but you have to convince people that you’re at least in touch with what those problems mean for them. Mr. Cool has in this respect become a warmer presence. He feels their pain.

But it’s not simply a question of empathy. Obama is winning because his economic narrative is better than McCain’s. He speaks to and for the people who have been left behind in the late boom -- and what the Republicans still don’t realize is that the vast majority of Americans were left out of the Wall Street boom of the past half-decade. Obama’s long-term solutions are more directed to their needs than McCain’s are. And even when McCain comes up with a progressive idea, such as directing the public purchase of distressed mortgages, the idea sits alone, an island of progressivism in a laissez-faire sea. It’s too late for McCain, and for Republicans generally, to change their economic narrative. As recently as this winter, when the Republican candidates debated during the primaries, all of them were seeking to claim Ronald Reagan’s mantle. McCain is still wearing it, but it’s threadbare now; it’s not what the country either needs or wants.

Obama is using the debates to reassure the nation as to his own steadiness and, just as important, to make himself the candidate of the future and to link McCain to the policies of a failed past. Tonight, largely unwittingly, McCain abetted him in that task.

By Harold Meyerson  | October 7, 2008; 11:58 PM ET
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ANOTHER BIG WIN FOR OBAMA!

Counting the VP debate where Biden clearly beat and outclassed Palin, that's 3 in a row.

Weren't these first few debates supposed to favor McCain?

Debate 1 Subject: Foreign Policy
Winner: Obama

Debate 2: VP Debate
Winner: Biden

Debate 3: Town Hall
Winner: Obama


Once again, Obama looked more presidential.

McCain looked and sounded like an angry and tired old man.

Obama articulated his points clearly.

McCain rambled on from point to point and failed to answer the questions he was asked.

Obama gave specific answers to how he would help the middle class.

McCain did not say "middle class" once!

This debate proves that McCain has no plan, other than to smear Obama... and tonight we learned that McCain isn't willing to get his hands dirty with the mud slinging. Apparently, he outsourced that task to the wicked witch of the west.
Another flawed plan... who takes Palin seriously anyway?

Maybe Obama should be forced to do the next debate while standing on one foot with one hand tied behind his back. That might be McCain's only hope!

Posted by: jgarrisn | October 8, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Excellent analysis! I almost felt sorry for Senator McCain because he appeared to be so awkward, aimlessly drifting about the stage while trying to look forceful. He cornered audience members so up close and personally that I thought he might end up in someone's lap.

His rhetoric was tired and his insulting tone was tiresome. It will be interesting to see what adjustments he makes for next week's debates.

I don't know if I can ever forget how he rudely dismissed Senator Obama by referring to his as "that one". His post debate behavior reminded me of the recent 9/11 Ground Zero commemoration. It is clear that he loathes his opponent.

Posted by: cheryllyne | October 8, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

That earmark thing is a real loser for McCain. EVERY time he brought it up, all three voter reactions (Dem, Rep, Ind) went flatline.

Posted by: youarestillidiots | October 8, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Mr. Meyerson's analysis; Sen. Obama is doing what he needs to do, remaining calm with some policy options (though I was not entirely impressed with elements of his debate content). Sen. McCain seemed scattered, and really... old. I respect Sen. McCain, he just doesn't seem up to the task, his policies seem more of the same and Gov. Palin is REALLY NOT someone who should become president.

Posted by: tabulaerasa | October 8, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Obama missed an opportunity on the last question. I'd have liked to see a spirited defense of empirical decision making--I.e., there are lots of things I don't know, but when I encounter one you can bet I'll attack it by talking to all the parties and considering the available facts.

Being a member of the "reality-based community" should be a given, but after 8 years of Bush the Lesser Ideologue, it's something we need to hear.

Posted by: youarestillidiots | October 8, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

I support Obama, but I think most analysts miss the point. McCain didn't need to win, but to rehab his image and stop the bleeding.

My suspicion is that he'll accomplish that if he couples last night's debate performance with stopping the stupid attacks coming from Palin. If McCain is relatively polite in debate and off the wall in its campaign rhetoric, America will see the fraud. If the rhetoric matches McCain's demeanor from last night, he'll have a shot.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 8, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Tonight's Main Attraction: Rocky vs. Apollo II

McCain comes out like a rejuvenated boxer, bobbing and weaving, moving side to side with fluidity that for a moment, reminded me of a lithe Mikhail Baryshnikov in his prime, yet he did not throw a single
punch, not even as much as 'float' a single, probing, range finding jab. Then, just when he appeared to have seized the initiative against his rather lackluster challenger, he resorts to employing low blows, and hitting many times below the belt, while sneering, even taunting Obama.

So far, I have Apollo Obama ahead on the cards 10-9. Rocky McCain, well, is just that; off to a very rocky and amateurish start. He'll require a knockout to get the citizens even mildly amused, possibly
aroused.

So far, tonight's referee, Tom Brokaw, is having a very difficult time trying to encourage the two would be pugilists to come to the center (?), and duke it out. Neither one seems very interested in making a true fight of it. Yes, they both spring to their feet when they hear the bell or 'green' light, but other than that, it's been all downhill.

I demand a refund!

Continued...

The action is starting to really heat now during the middle rounds, beginning with the Foreign Policy exchanges. McCain seems to have discovered his former maverick status and is now rushing wildly at his cool challenger, like a bull let loose in an Afghan souvenir shop. Now brandishing Teddy Roosevelt's proverbial big stick, he struck it several times and connecting with huge body blows, that seemed to have wobbled Obama and sent him reeling, to his corner. Obama was now desperate to conjure a solid ,cogent reply. And that he did, with a vengeance. Even though, he looked hurt, his legs now in real danger of being reduced to southern jelly, Obama called on his collective memory invoked the spirits of dead ancestors and shook it off. With a renewed vigor and a smile on his face, he came right (actually, left) back at the favorite.

Now standing front and center,Obama sized up McCain, for that one propitious moment where he could launch counter attack. With new, fresh legs, great lines and a cool head, and a hellish grin, Barack let loose with a furious volley; to be exact, an eight punch combination, first to McCain's mid section, then two thundering, devastating left hooks to McCain's right ear, that were punctuated with 'Bomb. Bomb. Bomb. Iran'.

The final four stiff short right hands, and solid, penetrating upper cuts all found their mark, to such an extent, that the favorite was almost out cold on his feet. McCain was last seen draped all over
Brokaw, hanging on for dear political life in the hopes that gentleman Tom, would ring the bell, to end the round. Brokaw did so, but not borne of compassion; it was simply, the timely thing to do.

With Obama's threat now over, McCain breathed a little easier in his corner. One thing was certain; he no longer dared begin his very lead ins, with that same stupid smirk, which had now vanished, completely.

At the midway point, I have Obama, still ahead on points, 10-8, possibly even as low as 10-5.

Posted by: Bucephalus | October 8, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

This may be considered a small point, but I suggest it is not. John McCain is unable to hide and control his dislike for Barack Obama. The comment in tonights debate "that one" was rude and classless. Above all else our President must be in control of himself. He must be able to deal with all types of people. And he must not let his personal dislikes to influence and alter his behavior. If John McCain can't control himself when he is running for office, how will he control himself in the role of President?

Posted by: priscilla_savary | October 8, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

McCain's moaning about earmarks is now as ripe a target for satire as Al Gore's "lockbox" was in 2000.

Posted by: HughBriss | October 8, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

These debates are sad. No one can mention anything that might bother any special interest. No one can say that tough choices actually have to be made, and how they would make the choices. Because if they did, then the other side would have an ad out before the debate was over.

And yet Obama clearly was the better choice. He understood the specifics that people are dealing with: the price of gas, the way health insurance companies refuse "pre-existing conditions." McCain keeps repeating the few instances in which he has defied his fellow Republicans--global warming, Lebanon--while flat-out lying about Obama's programs and the positions he has taken for his 26 years in the Senate.

Those 94 votes to raise taxes? Refuted by the Associated Press. Those "fines" for small business? Non-existent. Those higher taxes? Only for the ultra-rich. And on and on.

McCain can only sling mud--even as he pretends he's not part of Sarah Palin's complete slime campaign. Obama is intelligent, level-headed and in touch with real people's problems. Please vote for him.

Posted by: Incalculable | October 8, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Its a shame. Now that the campaigns are finishing up and it is becomming fairly certain that Obama will win, McCain just seems like an old man who should be retired, not running for President. Palin seems comical with her rediculous contrived "Wendy watercooler" manner, but she didn't have a reputation to ruin.

McCain was a highly respected Senator. I liked him very much when he was genuinely willing to do what was right, even if it got him in trouble with the Republican big wigs. I am afraid that McCain is going to be remembered as that old guy who made a fool of himself, the guy who made crazy and obviously untrue accusations, the guy who suspended his Presidential campaign to take charge of the financial rescue, but probably did more harm than good. Even the drama of first postponing, then showing up at the debate in spite of accomplishing nothing in Washington. McCain was much more than this in his prime. Perhaps he really wasn't Presidential material. Maybe his rash behavior and bad temper would never have been appropriate int he White House, but he was an inspirational Senator, and he certainly would have been better than Bush during the past 8 years.

I hope he pulls himself together and decides that his legacy as a man of honor is worth more than showing that he can fight to the bitter end, and lose a very ugly campaign.

Posted by: bjuhasz | October 8, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Old Meyerson,...I think what you mean is "Old and Wise John McCain", as opposed to the "Young and Inexperience" radical Muslim Barack Hussein.

We know John McCain won the debate showing his mastery of foreign affairs issues and a mature and firm mind when it comes to presidential decision.

Meyerson as well as the sexist, misogynyst media is foaming at the mouth, knowing that John McCain and Sarah Palin are beginning to take Obama's clothes and exposing him for what he really is: a radical extremist young, pompous and naive individual.

Country First!
Americans for John McCain!

Posted by: Manolete | October 8, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

I agree! I thought McCain looked very old in the debate too. Was he panting into the microphone at times?

Without saying anything about the policy statements made by the two candidates, I can say McCain lost the image war tonight.

Posted by: ChrisStewart | October 8, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/that-one.html

Tuesday, October 07, 2008

"That One"

What a very odd thing for McCain to say.

McCain repeatedly invoked the need for a "steady hand on the tiller" tonight--for someone who will be calm and cool in the crises that the upcoming years will present us.

Yet this is a man who is utterly unable to contain his contempt--even on a night when, even as Bill Bennett says, he needed to "break through", and even when such a strange expression of disdain could only highlight pettiness, anger and partisanship that voters wish that candidates would steer away from in the greater interest of the nation.

McCain's fundamental position--one from which he finds his momentum and meaning--is so often one of a contemptuous anger for those who do not understand what he believes he has learned--e.g., "them".

This is the impulsive, gut-driven, black and white thinking that we have seen throughout the campaign.

We have had 8 years of a President driven by impulsive, black and white, gut-driven, categorical thinking. In those 8 years, from a position that manifested from the very start an angry, assumed knowledge, and a contempt for the position of others, we have now seen the results.

So this time: choose that one.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/that-one.html

Posted by: robthewsoncamb | October 8, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

OUCH!!! It'll only sting for a while Mr McCain...28 days.

Posted by: houston_progressive | October 8, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Hey Meyerson,
I bet OLD JOHN could still whip your butt. The thing that is tired around Washington is the blather that worn out pundits like you spill on the page.

Posted by: ccccook | October 8, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Obama had the guts to say that health care should be a right in this country. He has my vote.

Posted by: hamishdad | October 8, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Tonight McCain said, "I'll get him. I know how to do it." in reference to Bin Laden.

I don't get this.

Senator, If you know something we don't - why aren't you doing it? Do you really need to be president to get Bin Laden if you possess a plan for really getting him? And if you don't, isn't it more than cynical to suggest that if only we elect you that you will deploy this plan?

Posted by: LincolnX | October 8, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

McCain may still yet save his soul and redeem his future, but only if he stops the stupid, pointless, and inane personal attacks (Muslim, Ayers, Wright, etc.) Those attacks won't work, but if he continues, he will only be remembered as a desperate loser, instead of a graceful one... Maybe he has a friend who can tell him the truth past the filters of his campaign handlers....

Posted by: thegwoe | October 8, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

I thought referring to Obama as "that one" told more about McCain then he wants us to know. It seems like he must make an enemy out of people who don't agree with him.

Our next President needs to be able to hide his personal feelings and deal with enemies and those that disagree with him without making it personal. McCain is unable to do that. Either is George Bush.

It is time for inspirational leadership. No matter how hard we try to find that in McCain it isn't there.

It is time to pass the torch to a new generation.

Posted by: gail7 | October 8, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Was I the only person that noticed the difficulty John had with recalling the items "health policies, energy policies, entitlement reform" when asked to prioritize them? He said "all of them" in the same sense Palin did when asked what magazines she reads.

McCain first asked for the items to be repeated while he wrote them down, then he 'covertly' sidled back to his podium while he was talking to check what the items were again. He talked in a distracted manner and it was obvious he was struggling to retain the items while speaking. He also referred to the items as 'the three items you mentioned' when addressing Tom. (Similar to his 'that one' reference to Obama, perhaps?)

Did you know that the "3-item recall" is literally part of the DSM-IV (mental health) testing criteria for senile dementia? Just something to think about.

Posted by: iamacyborg | October 8, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Meyerson, you can go straight to hell. Calling someone 72 "OLD" you should be sued for age discrimination. I'm that old and I walk 5 miles a day, can beat anyone at bridge, my mind is very active and I remember things better than most of my nieces and nephews. You will get yours when you get to be 72 if you are lucky. In the meantime, go someplace where there are senior citizens and shout out "72 is OLD"; hope your get beat up badly by someone with a cane.

Posted by: love234america | October 8, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Manolete - Good luck if you expect that kind of posting will help you change any opinions here (and anyone else, with the possible exceptions of the New York Post or FoxNews).

Perhaps you need someone to explain it to you in simple terms: the election will be won by getting the votes of independents, and I guarantee you that calling Obama a "radical muslim" won't do the trick. But keep going, you may actually help switch some of those votes towards the Obama side!

Posted by: bodracir | October 8, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Seriously now folks, lets not forget the race issue. Anyone that thinks McCain is a great canidate for president is, imo, not willing to look past the color of Obamas skin.

Posted by: gogonzo | October 8, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

You said that during the Republican debates they were all clammoring to prop up Reagan. All except one, Ron Paul.

This debate seemed like a farewell speech for McCain.

Anyone else would have been better than Bush.

I think the 150 billion in earmarks in the bailout are the only sensible part.

Buying bad loans from bad banks is throwing nonexistant money after bad.

I didn't hear any reference to Maverick. It is amazing just how stupid it sounds coming out on SNL with Tina Fey.

If I were McCain. I would have picked Fey over Palin, say it ain't so, Joe.

Paul/Gravel 2008

Hooked on WMD and ToxicAssets

Posted by: ender3rd | October 8, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

No one would have noticed McCain's "that one" comment if the liberal media hadn't pointed it out as if it was the most important part of the debate.

During the first debate, Obama couldn't even keep McCain's name straight, calling him Bob and Jim and whatever other generic name he could think of MULTIPLE TIMES, and yet it was never once mentioned. (Granted, I only watched CNN following the debate)

To look so far into McCain's comment is just ignorant of the fact that Obama has shown even more disrespect in a similar situation, acting as if McCain isn't important enough to remember.

I guess it's just more presidential to be named Hussein instead of a boring ol' Christian name like John...

Posted by: polderman | October 8, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a communist; his mentor was the late communist Frank Marshall Davis whom Obama wrote about in his book, saying he had lots of advise. Obama said in his book that he attended socialist conferences. He's messing with the minds of millions of Americans. His positions a year ago were very radical but he has changed them since he realized they would not get votes. He lies, lies, lies. Socialism will be in America soon; nationlization of businesses, the press, energy companies, and we will one day soon be a Godless nation. I do not believe that Obama is a Christian, no way in hell. He has been taught too much the other way. Kansas City even has his "Obama Youths" as seen on UTube. The media is doing a great disservice to this country by being in bed with Obama and not reporting the news, only what they want us to hear. American is going down in more ways than one. I'm so very glad I have no children.

Posted by: love234america | October 8, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

"McCain overwhelmingly conveyed the impression -- not to put too fine a point on it -- that he's old."
------------------------

Of course he is!

He is no juvenile hopeful, so I don't see why you feel so embarrassed to say it Mr Meyerson.

Yes, this sorry clown is not only old, too old for the job, but he's also a cancer survivor. And God only knows what other ailments this geezer suffers from.

When you pick up someone like Six-Pack Sarah you certainly have a mental defieciency or perhaps worse.

Krauthammer should examine the oldtimer and tell us about it. all.

Posted by: bekabo | October 8, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse


I suspect that many professional pundits were so bored by this debate that they were half-listening to it while surfing the web.

Otherwise, why the lack of comments on the appalling moment when McCain referred to Obama as "THAT one"?!

I'm not sure which "one" of what he meant. These debates are a chance for candidates to prove they are worthy of the office of President...or on the other hand, demonstrate a total lack of poise and sense of where they are at and in front of whom they are speaking.

Posted by: dsa80 | October 8, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

McCain has run out of gas. Too bad he opposed alternative energy for years. He sure could use it now.

Posted by: hamishdad | October 8, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse

Man, you people are so superficial.

Obama "Looks" presidential. Is THAT the test? I mean, really?

If you would listen to what he is actually SAYING, it would scare the bejeezus out of you.

Example: Health care should be a "right"

Oh you mean like social security? An entitlement?

Ok great.

Guess what? Everyone's taxes just went up by at least 50% because THAT is how you pay for a "right" or entitlement.

McCain at least has the correct analysis. It is a basic RESPONSIBILITY of people to provide for their own health care.

Obama wants to call it a right on one hand, and actually FINE people who do not get it for their children?

Sounds like a new-fangled kind of "Right" to me.

One that is mandatory to buy and very expensive whether you buy it, or not.

Posted by: jbage007 | October 8, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

On the post by Manolete:
Now there's a bright, ray of hope for McCain.
With supporters like that Obama doesn't have a chance.
Manolete; take two asprin, elevate your feet & call back in eight years.

Posted by: stbdtac | October 8, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

love234america,

"...he has been taught too much the other way.." Which way is that?

You also post that "...I'm so very glad I have no children..." This might explain why you have no insight.

I feel for ya buddy. Obama is the only sane choice for our country. If you love America, you'll vote for the person that will take our issues seriously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lJxa2ghYLg

Posted by: gogonzo | October 8, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if manolete believes her spew, or if it's one of those "end justifies the means" type of delusions?

"radical muslim"?

Um..., manolete, you didn't happen to vote for G.W. last couple of elections did you? O.K., I thought so, well you should probably shut the *#%K up.

Posted by: fnlorrain | October 8, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

I am an Obama supporter but will try to be generous: I could see McCain trying, but he rarely hit the mark - too many vague generalities and platitudes, while Obama talked about specifics and made strong points.

Of course the right-wing die-hards will say it's all the media being biased, but the honest among them must be at least privately admitting to themselves that McCain is clearly last century's model. It's not media bias when those bottom of the screen opinion lines of undecided voters soar for one candidate and flat-line for the other -that's real people reacting.

What's sad is that McCain is really past his prime and past his time. His time should have been in 2000, or perhaps sooner. Ironically, had it not been for the slimy work of K Rove and W Bush in the primaries, John McCain could well have been the departing chief at this point. Of course we'll never know how that would have gone, but it's hard to imagine how it could be much worse than it is now.

Posted by: LeoDaCat | October 8, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

I thought this debate was a repeat of the 2nd debate, with minor changes. I heard the same stuff, for the most part. The differences were:

In the first debate, McCain seemed to ramble on when he had no good solid point to end on... but he has less of that this time.

I remember McCain being more in attack mode in the first debate, but less pointed in this debate. He probably was advised that he came off as angry and partisan, so changed it around this time. He also repeatedly mentioned his ability to work across the aisle in this 2nd debate, so that may very well have been the new strategy.

Obama threw back those attacks in the first debate quite well. But the format in this debate prevented him from responding at times tonight. But it didn't matter because they weren't really deep attacks from McCain, but rather more minor misrepresentations of Obama and his policies.

McCain isn't going to win through debates. He won't win through an experience argument, or a fear argument, or Iraq, or economics. His only chance is a late onslaught of swiftboat style character assassinations. But everyone is a bit inoculated to that phenomenon after the 2004 experience. Plus the attacks have already been used too early on Obama and are no longer a surprise.

Posted by: Timofmars | October 8, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Senator McCain's age and pow trauma was really showing tonight.
He keeps repeating his talking points, avoiding questions making himself look further out of touch.

Time to throw in the towel.

Posted by: knjincvc | October 8, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

He looked old and doddering...stiff, uncomfortable, very white and bald. He kept repeating himself—and not in a good way—and wasn't able to mentally track the discussion (making a three-item list of things he would prioritize). At one point he was walking around the stage (behind Obama when the camera was on Obama answering a question) making an odd hand gesture, and THEN he walked in front of the moderator at closing. Old. Doddering. Ridiculous.

And in point of fact: He broke his arms when his plane was shot down (in direct defiance of established protocol). It wasn't "while he was a prisoner of war."

Posted by: pdx-er | October 8, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

As a non-custodial parent, by law, I have to provide health coverage for my kids or I go to jail.

You complain about a fine?

Looking Presidential is important because for the last 8 years we have had to look at a President who looks like a redneck and talks like a hillbilly.

Did you notice the comment about Obama being a communist, drops the Hussein bomb, then prophecizes we may become a Godless country?

We are a godless world.

So when I see comments using name-calling and religion together, I read George Bush.

Genetic dead-end.

Posted by: ender3rd | October 8, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and the panting into the microphone. And getting too close to members of the audience.

Posted by: pdx-er | October 8, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

John McCain & Sarah Palin are both acting with such crass disdain toward Senator Obama that one has to question how they will act when faced with those with whom they are not supposedly reaching accross the aisle toward. I cannot begin to invision either in a Presidential role. I want America to regain integrity not sink to being viewed as a nation led by sneering mud wrestlers. I love my country and have no doubt that Senator Obama will lead with dignity & a clear cool head as opposed to a fuming taunting duo.

Posted by: rainydaypeople | October 8, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

You hit the nail on the head! He's old, and crippled old! Now the country saw it!
All these campaign managers that could not see that before hand,,EXPERTS,,,MORE EXPERTS!!

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

"That One" for President of the UNITED States of America !

Posted by: PulSamsara | October 8, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

The guy was a lousy BOMBER PILOT that lost his plane,,,what did you expect,,Chuck Yeagher?

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 1:56 AM | Report abuse

stygian mccain unleashing his venom
made clear in world stage
he is no diplomat. his bad manners
and lack of charm not what us needs to regain
lost-luster in part thanks to old vicious
ones.

Posted by: tabita | October 8, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

“So I just saw a new poll come out....Dream tickets for the president. Huckabee/Palin comes out 5 to 1 over McCain/Palin. Perhaps the RNC should switch out McCain for Huckabee,”

The GOP is out of gas! No ideas except ban gay marriage, anti-choice, flag burning, hate and drill drill drill.
It’s no secret Senator McCain was not conservatives, christianist or neo-cons first, second or third choice but they are reluctantly defending him as he is the only republican willing to stay in the race.

Time for moderate republicans to step up and take the party back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: knjincvc | October 8, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

The guy was a lousy BOMBER PILOT that lost his plane,,,what did you expect,,Chuck Yeagher?
Posted by: harried
CORRECTION!!!
Chuck Yeager Chuck Yeager Chuck Yeager!!!

How could I do that? Chuck flew the North American P51D thru thick and thin! A willey eyed Virginny boy! He could see a flea on a possum's back a 100 yards away!

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 2:04 AM | Report abuse

Another excellent article! You are absolutely right in pointing out that the majority of the American people had been left out of the Wall Street boom, and they were already struggling even before the current financial meltdown started a few weeks ago. That's exactly the fundamental difference between Obama and McCain. McCain's myopic vision only sees what happened in the last month. Obama sees a more comprehensive picture where the gap between the rich few and the majority of the US population has been growing quite a while.

Posted by: motherforobama | October 8, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

Time for moderate republicans to step up and take the party back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: knjincvc | October 8, 2008 2:02 AM
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HUKABEE? HUKABEE? Say it over and over, it rhymes with SMUCHABEE! SCMUKABEE!

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 2:11 AM | Report abuse

Manolete:
Your post here "the radical Muslim Barack Obama" and on the other article about McCain where you regurgitated all of the FOX talking points about Sen. Obama's alleged relationship with Wm. Ayers only reveals that you are one of the unfortunate Americans who will likely vote against your own economic interests because the propaganda you hear on FOX, Hannity, Limbaugh talk radio makes you scared and bigoted. If you have the courage, read a few other news sources, turn off partisan commentators who rant nonsense all day on the radio and FOX (I've turned off MSNBC for the same reason - propaganda is propaganda). Or, go to snopes.com or factcheck.com.

Barack Obama is a Christian. Think about it - if he were a closet Muslim (by this, I'm assuming you equate Muslim with "islamic radical"), would he hide out in Jeramiah Wright's church? Wouldn't he find a nice quiet little baptist church somewhere? No controversy, right? So he could someday run for president and take over our government and all white males, etc...? As silly as this is, it should make as much sense as the lies you've decided are truth despite much evidence to the contrary.

As for Ayers, well, if Sarah Palin (and you) had read the NYT article, instead of stopping at the headline and using it to smear Obama, you'd find out their conclusion was Obama + Ayers = no significant relationship.

Posted by: bethechange1 | October 8, 2008 2:14 AM | Report abuse

what a ticket! Palin Mccain; yuck; just weird.
such caricatures; just not real. Who are they trying to kid?

...from Palin not even knowing what she is saying (t-points fed to her)
...to Mccain; a punchy old fart sounding over the edge in pumping up enthusiasm for a poignant (to him) anecdote that fails to connect;
i.e. where he talks about the bill "that one" signed... he seems so out of touch with his audience; "all" the audience; not just his captives.

It's remarkable that the word is "conservatives" figure he blew it by not attacking Obama's character. You can just see their caricatures; nasty rudes screaming from the sidelines: " demean him" "call hin a terrorist!" ... and such..

In the light of the debate stage; Mccain realizes the world is watching and no matter the small circle of most influential nasties; he aint gonna be an idiot out there ... a shred of decency; or just common sense?

Oh hell; give it the old (and it is old with him) college try.....
hell, crashing again?

Posted by: ukeman | October 8, 2008 2:14 AM | Report abuse

This election is basically over. Tonight, Obama made a solid case for being president, while McCain made one for being ambassador to Pakistan.

Prediction: Obama takes Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Missouri, Colorado, Virginia and even North Carolina. He goes on to catch Osama bin Laden. Palin is defeated for reelection after humiliating herself and her state.

Posted by: JDW1960 | October 8, 2008 2:18 AM | Report abuse

A lot of posters are claiming that John McCain has no..MANNERS..DECORUM..SENSE OF WHERE HE'S AT...
Folks this is a 72 year old man that is dieing of cancer...decorum is not on his wretched mind. What's on his mind is the bombs he dropped on innocent humans forty plus years ago. That's what you see in his eyes,,"I AM A MURDERER". I want you to say it was OK.

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 2:20 AM | Report abuse

Obama clearly Won... and the polls (CBS, CNN) confirm that.

BTW The truth about Palin pallin... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eniG9l_7its Unbelievable!!!

Posted by: chill45 | October 8, 2008 2:24 AM | Report abuse

In the debate, John McCain said to the audience that they may never have heard of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before now. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't know many people who hadn't already heard of these two organizations.

Posted by: priscilla_savary | October 8, 2008 2:26 AM | Report abuse

oh my gosh; forgot to mention that readers like "Manolete" who buy the republican talking points of professional high paid prostitutes for the GOP cause, like Limbaugh, Hannity, Oreilly, Coulter; multi mil bil --ionaires on the right wing big oil, wall street, military industrial payroll; with a spot right up at the feeding trough;
... where you , Manolete , are not;
These people you get your info from, can be heard in the alleys behind the castles of the fat cats, getting their payoffs and laughing at your falling in line behind such garbage; last years garbage at that.
You should check out the garbage before you claim it as your own; it doesnt suit or serve you or Palin or Mccain; check the polls.


Posted by: ukeman | October 8, 2008 2:28 AM | Report abuse

This election is basically over.
Posted by: JDW1960 | October 8, 2008 2:18 AM
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Ain't over till its over! Lawrence "YOGI" Berra

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 2:29 AM | Report abuse

I think Sarah's got to show some cleavage!!

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 2:36 AM | Report abuse

Does he get to use a walker in the third debate?

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 2:39 AM | Report abuse

This evening a reporter told McCain that it was remarkable that a guy of his age could make it through the whole debate without popping out for a toilet break. He asked McCain if he used a special technique for controlling his bladder. McCain replied: "Depends".

Posted by: MorganaLeFay | October 8, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse

Obama is so concise on what needs to be done and considerate of the poor and middle class. McCain is full of garbage, his defense of his supporting the failure Bush in his own words "over 90% of the time" is to shamelessly point out those same failed policies he helped create by giving the wealthy more huge tax cuts to fix it all? He would invest all our money left, on tax cuts for his wealthy friends, all we have left on the waste product Iraq war and have a domestic "spending freeze" that would paralyze America here at home for good. One of the main reasons America is in the trouble we are in because the Bush administration instead of investing in the American people with more Domestic spending invested in Iraq and tax cuts for the wealthy! Obama will reverse all of that and get us out of Iraq taking those tax cuts and wasted war spending and re-invest that money in job creation, energy, health care, housing and everything Americans desperately need right NOW. It's obvious why more and more Americans are turning away from the failed policies and ideas of McCain/Bush and moving to get behind Obama.

Posted by: Hillary08 | October 8, 2008 3:26 AM | Report abuse

My favorite McCain moment was when he trotted out his 'old maverick with superior judgment' argument. To support this, he began citing his positions on US wars beginning with Lebanon, going right on thru Gulf War I and then skipping straight to the 'Surge'.

For a coupla seconds there you actually could see the 2x4-shaped vacuum appear next to McCain's glass jaw--right where that telltale pulsing muscle appears whenever his contempt for Obama gets the better of him.

On that phantom 2x4 was written in block letters "IRAQ INVASION". Obama swung the real one seconds later, and he didn't miss.

I haven't once heard McCain defend the decision to attack Iraq, and the pie-in-the-sky rhetoric that accompanied it. He just blathers about the damn surge, as if an arsonist deserved credit for donning a fireman costume and partially controlling the blaze he set (after it's reduced most of the building to ash).

Posted by: youarestillidiots | October 8, 2008 3:29 AM | Report abuse

McCain easily lost this debate. He kept chattering away about how much he wanted town hall style debates and it makes one wonder why. Perhaps he was thinking the town hall would be filled with air headed republicans that would cheer at his every point. He seemed at times to be lost. He was not very presidential and the crack about "that one" showed disrespect to Senator Obama.
He can’t even go anywhere without his running mate Palin. Very few voters want to see him anymore. They want to see her. The only thing she brings is a fresh face. But, If he thinks Americans are going to put a nobody, with very little experience, in the second spot he has rocks in his head. In case you didn't know it Alaska has fewer people than a medium sized average city in the lower 48 states. What does that say about his judgment? Do you honestly trust someone when they believe they have had enough foreign policy experience when the best they can say is that they can see Russia from their state? He can continue his lies and rhetoric about Obama all he wants but Americans are getting wiser and wiser. He’s trying to tell us that he knows how to handle the financial problem. Is he trying to be some kind of comedian? His party, the Republicans, have dropped the ball and he doesn’t even know it, which makes him stupid, or he does know it, which makes him a liar. Which is it? Don’t vote for McSame unless you want fossilized government with a fossilized President. Where are his new ideas? His only prospect is to try and stick mud onto Obama and hope that the bubbas of America will be too stupid and vote for him. It may not work for the Republicans this time, because the ones being hurt the most are the working class. Look at the polls, his support comes from uneducated people. I'm not talking about poor people here but ignorant people. People that haven’t had enough sense to see what’s happening to their country and only become involved in politics when the media tells them its alright to start thinking. The financial bailout is probably needed to keep the system functioning, but we need to remember which party controlled the strings that led us to this end. Ever since the democrats have taken control of the House and Senate the Republican minority, which is destined to stay that way, has dragged their feet with delaying actions. They are now squawking like they have been fiscally responsible. Is that supposed to be some kind of sick joke on the American people? If McCain is their best answer for this country then they truly show how out of touch they really are.

Posted by: IRemember | October 8, 2008 3:34 AM | Report abuse

From Craigslist: This election has me very worried. So many things to consider. About a year ago I would have voted for Obama. I have changed my mind three times since than. I watch all the news channels, jumping from one to another. I must say this drives my husband crazy. But, I feel if you view MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News, you might get some middle ground to work with. About six months ago, I started thinking "where did the money come from for Obama". I have four daughters who went to College, and we were middle class, and money was tight. We (including my girls) worked hard and there were lots of student loans.

I started looking into Obama's life.

Around 1979 Obama started college at Occidental in California . He is very open about his two years at Occidental, he tried all kinds of drugs and was wasting his time but, even though he had a brilliant mind, did not apply himself to his studies. "Barry" (that was the name he used all his life) during this time had two roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, both from Pakistan . During the summer of 1981, after his second year in college, he made a "round the world" trip. Stopping to see his mother in Indonesia , next Hyderabad in India , three weeks in Karachi , Pakistan where he stayed with his roommate's family, then off to Africa to visit his father's family. My question - Where did he get the money for this trip? Nether I, nor any one of my children would have had money for a trip like this when they where in college. When he came back he started school at Columbia University in New York . It is at this time he wants everyone to call him Barack - not Barry. Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia ? It's not cheap! to say the least. Where did he get money for tuition? Student Loans? Maybe. After Columbia , he went to Chicago to work as a Community Organizer for $12,000. a year. Why Chicago ? Why not New York ? He was already living in New York .

By "chance" he met Antoin "Tony" Rezko, born in Aleppo Syria , and a real estate developer in Chicago . Rezko has been convicted of fraud and bribery this year. Rezko, was named "Entrepreneur of the Decade" by the Arab-American Business and Professional Association". About two years later, Obama entered Harvard Law School . Do you have any idea what tuition is for Harvard Law School ? Where did he get the money for Law School ? More student loans? After Law school, he went back to Chicago . Rezko offered him a job, which he turned down. But, he did take a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Guess what? They represented "Rezar" which Rezko's firm. Rezko was one of Obama's first major financial contributors when he ran for office in Chicago . In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing Obama with "seed money" for his U.S. Senate race. In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in Kenwoood District of Chicago for $1.65 million (less than asking price). With ALL those Student Loans - Where did he get the money for the property? On the same day Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot for full price. The London Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire loaned Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before Obama's new home was purchased. Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.

Now, we have Obama running for President. Valerie Jarrett, was Michele Obama's boss. She is now Obama's chief advisor and he does not make any major decisions without talking to her first. Where was Jarrett born? Ready for this? Shiraz , Iran ! Do we see a pattern here? Or am I going crazy?

On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert Malley advisor to Obama was "sacked" after the press found out he was having regular contacts with "Hamas", which controls Gaza and is connected with Iran . This past week, buried in the back part of the papers, Iraqi newspapers reported that during Obama's visit to Iraq , he asked their leaders to do nothing about the war until after he is elected, and he will "Take care of things".

Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates that where born in Pakistan ? They are in charge of all those "small" Internet campaign contribution for Obama. Where is that money coming from? The poor and middle class in this country? Or could it be from the Middle East ?
All of the above information I got on line. If you would like to check it - Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack Obama; Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett: Daily Times - Obama visited Pakistan in 1981; The Washington Times - September 7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.

Now the BIG question - If I found out all this information on my own, Why haven't all of our "intelligent" members of the press been reporting this?

A phrase that keeps ringing in my ear - "Beware of the enemy from within"!!

Posted by: fly66 | October 8, 2008 3:54 AM | Report abuse

Obama elegantly drove old McCain back to where he does belong : the XXth Century.

Heard the world "maverick" tonight, anyone ?

Posted by: stephanemot | October 8, 2008 3:58 AM | Report abuse

McCain looked really old last night in this debate, uncomfortable and slow to react to questions, while Barack Obama was relaxed and precise with answers, looking very presidential with answers for today and the tomorrow, while McCain seems to want to live in the past, I would like to have seen him 20 year ago, perhaps that was his time, but now he is The Past!

2 - 0 for Barack Obama!

Posted by: jaybs1 | October 8, 2008 4:23 AM | Report abuse

fly66, to answer one of your crazy ranting questions, yes, you are going crazy.

I donated money to Barack's campaign, and I am a college student with no money to spare...even given I don't drink a six-pack every night like one other crazy ranting woman would have you believe.

Like you, I have read all these allegations and accusations of association about Obama as well, as have the mainstream media, and you know what? I wouldn't ever, EVER report on them as if they mattered. This is because they don't. As a politician, you have to be able to deal with characters from every walk of life, every color, every religion, every sexual orientation, and yes, even with known criminals and terrorists. You have to know how all of these minds work and how they interact with each other so that you can create and back the policies that will help people who are making good decisions triumph over those who are making bad ones.

Here's a Wikipedia definition of politician for you: "A politician (from Greek "polis") is an individual who is involved in influencing public decision making through the influence of politics or a person who influences the way a society is governed through an understanding of political power and group dynamics." I know, Wikipedia isn't the greatest source, but this IS the definition of the word. Given that this is the definition, and this is what we are electing in November, people like you need to relax when you find out that a politician has associated with all types. I mean, McCain was on Gordon Liddy's radio show last January telling him he was a great man and great friend. This is the same guy who broke into Watergate hotel for Nixon! But even though the mainstream media knew about this too, we didn't read any news stories about it until now...after Palin and McCain began mudslinging. Kudos to Obama for refusing to get swift-boated like Kerry.

Listen to your husband fly66. Stop over thinking everything and go with your first instincts. You and your husband, as well as our country, would be better off.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 8, 2008 5:22 AM | Report abuse

The person who laughs last may be slow, but they are also happy.

Posted by: gary4books | October 8, 2008 6:08 AM | Report abuse

The groveling, boot-licking pundits of the Washington Post are all vying to be on the A-List of the Obama White House. Their joyful partisan insults and contempt for McCain are laughable and absurd.

Date-line Jan. 9: Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton won New Hampshire's Democratic primary Tuesday night, pulling out a stunning victory over Sen. Barack Obama in a contest that she had been forecast to lose.

Date-line Nov. 5: Sen. John McCain won the presidential election Tuesday night, pulling out a stunning victory over Sen. Barack Obama in a contest that he had been forecast to lose.

Posted by: alance | October 8, 2008 6:41 AM | Report abuse

My wife and I had to substitute a kiss for having a sip of wine every time McCain said "my friends" or we would have been unconscious mid debate. Obama actually mentioned education rather than entitlements as he prioritized. McCain should try to salvage what little reputation he has left and muzzle Sarah Palin.

Posted by: bassetwrangler | October 8, 2008 7:00 AM | Report abuse

I have finally figured out that the greatest two unsolved mysteries of the campaign are intertwined. When will a)Bristol and Levi finally give the little bun some legal parentage and b)when will we finally get Osama?

These events are planned to occur simultaneously during the hoped for Inauguration Week festivities. Imagine the imagery of the young royal couple wedded in the Imperial capital as Osama is led down Pennsylvania Ave. in chains.

All hail Empress Sarah...You betcha!

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | October 8, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

"The media is doing a great disservice to this country by being in bed with Obama and not reporting the news, only what they want us to hear. American is going down in more ways than one. I'm so very glad I have no children."

I too am glad you have no children to teach your hate and racism to. Your attacks amount to libel and slander....Just what I'd expect from a refuglican.

Posted by: hdtex1 | October 8, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

I thought Senator McCain patronized the town-hall audience (and tv audience), particularly the young African-American man that asked a question concerning Freddie and Fannie Mac. McCain told the questioner, you probably don’t know what they are (!). This was very troubling. What was Senator McCain thinking? Why did he assume this young man didn’t understand the terms he used in his own question? I’m not sure I would like the answer.

Posted by: portiaperu | October 8, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

To call these outings debates is a bit of a misnomer. A debate requires a motion and two sides, one to speak for and want to speak against. The presidential debates only invite the candidates to put forward their policies. It is unreasonable to think that each may consider their opponents policy and come to any conclusion over which is better. POTUS cannot know everything about everything. He (or she) will appoint a number of advisers on each and every topic, having asked for advice he will listen to their opinions, ask incisive questions and on reaching his conclusion present its policy to the nation. Whether he is a good president or a bad president will depend upon his ability to appoint the right advisers, ask the right questions and intelligence to come to a sound conclusion. It is not difficult to see where George W Bush failed. The objective of the presidential debates is to give us an opportunity to observe the two candidates alongside each other to help us to decide which of the two possesses the characteristics likely to make the best president. John McCain only appears desperate to become president to cap his career. Unfortunately, he appears unable to demonstrate any of the above qualities. However, it is fortunate for him that he has some, indeed possibly many, unthinking partisan supporters otherwise it would be unlikely he would get any votes.

Posted by: Chrisle | October 8, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Last night's debate and this month's Rolling Stone article about John McCain have convinced this previously undecided voter that Obama's the better choice.

The article about McCain in Rolling Stone should be read by anyone still undecided as well as anyone wanting to know more about what he is all about. It offers an interesting and also chilling insight into the personality of McCain. Particularly unsettling is the fact that much of the information comes directly from his own autobiography. You can read the article at www.RollingStone.com Even if you don't care for the tone it is impossible to ignore the facts that are brought up, all of which are easily researched and confirmed. His scholastic and military records are abyssmal and the numerous recountings of his angry, insulting and erratic outbursts that he's been known for all his life put his recent debate and campaign tactics into perspective.

Posted by: SouthBuffaloOnline | October 8, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I do think, as a society, we need to provide health care for everyone.

News flash - Obama's plan, which would make health care possible for everyone, costs only a tiny bit more than McCain's plan, which helps the insurance companies but does virtually nothing to help actual patients.

In fact, McCain's health care plan would make things worse for most people over 40, who often have pre-existing conditions and could not get health insurance of any sort.

There's essentially no difference in how much the two plans cost - the difference is that Obama's plan would help 20-30 times more people for about the same money.

People have to get their children to school, and get them their shots unless they get waivers. A mandate to get kids health care - which is CHEAP and which would have help in Obama's plan - is the same thing.

When you pool risk, as in Obama's plan, it's easy to buy health care. On the other hand, the individual insurance market, which McCain advocates, is expensive, and almost impossible for many of us to buy insurance at any price.

The power of the market in health care is buying in large groups - not individuals buying it. The individual market has almost no power - the group market has great influence on insurance companies.

Obama's plan makes sense.

Posted by: VirginiaGal2 | October 8, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

It's over Johnny.

Posted by: DrWhatthef | October 8, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Fly66, Your comments appeared online last week somewhere else and are obviously a canned message your kind circulate as your own. Stop and think- do you seriously believe none of our intelligence agencies would have found links to radicals, if such a thing existed? Lucky for us, we have bright thinkers like you to help keep us safe.

Posted by: joanna_47 | October 8, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Love234America, we're all very happy you haven't spawned too!

Posted by: harmonie555 | October 8, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Terrible analysis. Whose economic plan was more appealing is a matter of opinion. I personally think McCain's economic plan is way better than Obama's. I don't believe that Obama intends to change the corruption in Washington at all. But opinions are like a--holes: everybody has one.

Posted by: forgetthis | October 8, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

McCain was literally red-faced. It's some combination of hilarious and horrifying to see this man get angry. Those jet black eyes staring out at nothing and everything. The psychotic Ronald Reagan impression. McCain, if you're going to ape Reagan, remember that his persona was that of gentle old man. Then again, maybe McCain's trying to sound like Clint Eastwood. The problem is that the Eastwood impression doesn't jibe well with McCain's hissy fits.

Posted by: omega_man | October 8, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

As I Watched a doddery Senator McCain teeter across the stage, I had a nightmarish flash of a woman in a fire-engine red dress and pumps winking at me in the background!

Posted by: FrankPrimeau | October 8, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

@jbage007

Please, please. Read Barack's books and read his resume. Obama does not just "look" presidential. I want the Harvard Law guy who actually cares about real people to get us out of this mess. Don't be afraid. And, for all practical purposes, health care is already a right. If you go into the emergency room, you can't be turned down. We as a society are just not dealing with health care realistically.

Posted by: washingtonpost31 | October 8, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I couldnt get over how he was out of breath just walking around the stage. How can this man who cant even make a circle around a debate floor, last 4 years of the most stressful job in the world? The really scary part is the Beauty queen sportscaster who would succeed him. Oy!!!

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 8, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Was I the only person that noticed the difficulty John had with recalling the items "health policies, energy policies, entitlement reform" when asked to prioritize them?- iamacyborg

You were the only one who happened to ignore the fact that Obama never even mentioned entitlement reform in his answer. When it was his turn to prioritize, he said education and not entitlement programs. As a matter of fact, Brokaw asked about entitlement programs at least twice during the debate and both times, Obama completely ignored the subject.

Yes, McCain was condescending when he suggested that the audience member had not heard of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before this year. The guy even laughed when he heard it. I was shocked. I didn't think anything of the "that one" comment. McCain asked "guess which one...?" and then he answered "that one." He addressed him as Senator and Obama plenty of times last night to signal that this reference to the Democratic candidate was merely a talking point.

One thing has become clear, Obama has become more and more skillful at manipulating the media. Every McCain supporter I know is quick to point out McCain's missteps and shortcomings, including myself. But Obama-philes, they see no wrong. Obama can do nothing short of perfection no matter what comes out about the guy. Something is terribly wrong with this picture. Everything McCain does shows his "age", his "senility", his "disrespect", his "disdain", his "temper." Everything Obama does proves that he actually is deity. Somebody explain this to me. I would hate to be here when Obammunism turns USA into a nation of droids.

Posted by: forgetthis | October 8, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

The one question I have for Barky is: How is he going to pay for everything he’s proposing? With Soro’s money or what? Or maybe some of his billionaire terrorist buddies will pay the tab. I sure hope people are not buying into his health plan. There is NO MONEY for that now. Nothing he’s proposing will take affect… just more blah-blah-blah.

Oh, but I forgot. That’s always the Dems talking points… “We’re going to give you everything, just vote for us.” So basically, the party that got us into this financial mess, is going to give us more by way of National Health Care? How can people vote for this snake oil salesman?

Earth to Barky. It ain’t gonna happen. And yes, you are a LIAR.

McCain/Palin ‘08

Posted by: deefour | October 8, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I didn't watch the debates, but if these postings are any indication, it's pretty clear who's coming out ahead. In all the comments here so far, the McCain supporters offering nothing of substance. I couldn't find a single one that didn't have insults, personal attacks, or rehashing of unsubstantiated rumor, whereas many of the pro-Obama postings offer substantive comments. Although at least the McCain campaign itself still has the occasional good idea to offer, it appears that the postings here reflect the state of the election campaign at large: one side (Obama) offers something of substance, while the other side trades in negativity and deceit.

Posted by: jetchs | October 8, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I live in a state that requires voters to register in a particular party in order to participate in primary elections, so I am a registered Republican but an Independent voter.

When I was shopping for my first new car in the 70s. I really wanted an American made car but as I test drove the various US models it became obvious that they didn't stack up against the quality of the foreign made cars. The auto industry was locked in the past and out of touch with what consumers wanted.

Unfortunately, I now feel that way about John McCain, he just doesn't stack up against the competition. He is 72 and it shows and incidentally I can say that since I am only 3 years younger. The Presidency requires someone with an agile mind, who is open to new ideas, who is able to meaningully engage with those with different outlooks, who can rise above petty politics and really put the nation first and finally a person who can handle the stress of one of the most demanding jobs in the world.

I am afraid that John McCain has become a stereotypical old man; short tempered, short sighted, forgetful and vindictive. In addition, his choice of Gov. Palin shows an appalling lack of judgement.

Posted by: AFGuardMum | October 8, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

McSAME Said he would "Freeze ALL spending on ALL social programs...EXCEPT MILITARY"

Can anyone say "POLICE STATE" or "MARTIAL LAW"
I would hope....HECK I KNOW FOR A FACT the military would revolt and march on WASHINGTON DC and throw the bum on the gallows...Doesn't the old coot realise that the people in the military have CHILDREN, MOTHERS, FATHERS, AUNTS, UNCLES, GRANDMOTHERS, GRANDFATHERS, BROTHERS, SISTERS, NEIGHBORS, FRIENDS, COWORKERS and thats what the military fights agaisnt is CORRUPT LYING OPPRESSIVE GOV MILITARY REGIMES???????
This is what the neocon nazi's want folks
and I will personally fight them like a true AMERICAN PATRIOT SHOULD!!!
GARY GELORMINO SEVEN HILLS OHIO 44131 (216)447-0081

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 8, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

It's going to be a landslide.

Posted by: david48 | October 8, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Has anybody noticed that when McCain and Palin first appear on stage the first thing they do is jot down their notes. Of course, they aren't allowed by rules to bring notes with them, so it seems they've taken pains to put their zingers on paper before they forget them. Obama and Biden have not done this.

Posted by: kemp13 | October 8, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

deefour,

Obama has stated that the net amount of money he will spend will be LESS then the amount the government spends today.

"How is he going to pay for it?"

1) 120 Billion a year is from stopping the Iraq war.

2) 300 Billion a year is from taxing corporations fairly, by removing loopholes that allow them to pay zero taxes.

That is already 420 Billion dollars that McCain will not have. In fact, If mccain wants the war in Iraq, this new healthcare system, and doesn't want to raise anyones taxes, HOW WILL MCCAIN PAY FOR HIS PLANS?

The answer is he won't, McCain's plans will cost America 300 BILLION DOLLARS more then Obama's plans. It is a fact, proven by economists that actually read both policies.

Proof:

"New York Times: McCain's Budget Will Add $150 to $250 Billion More To The Deficit Per Year Than the Obama Plan. "The Obama campaign claims it can pay for all this, and even reduce the deficit, through tax increases and spending cuts. I think a more skeptical look at its budget leaves you worried it may add something like $50 billion a year to the deficit. But applying the same arched brow to Mr. McCain's stated plans leaves you worried that he will add $200 billion or $300 billion or, depending on his voluntary tax system, even more." [New York Times, 6/18/08]"

"McCain's Tax Cuts Will Either Explode The Federal Deficit Or Require "Unprecedented Cuts" In Federal Spending On Domestic Programs. "Sen. John McCain is proposing tax cuts that would either cause the federal deficit to explode or would require unprecedented spending cuts equal to one-third of federal spending on domestic programs. Once thought of as a deficit hawk, the near-certain Republican presidential nominee is now putting more stress on the traditional Republican orthodoxy of tax cuts." [Wall Street Journal, 4/22/08]"

"Tax Policy Center Report Said That McCain's Budget Plan Would Add $3.4 Trillion To The Deficit Over The Next Decade. When the tax policy center took into account the full cost of McCain's tax cuts, they found that his plan would add $3.4 trillion to the deficit over the next decade." [http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/411749_update_candidates.pdf]"

So if you are unsure how Obama will pay for his budget, then you better be afraid of how McCain will pay his because everyone says it is worse.

Our next President has been handed a beat down country. You can not expect him to create a winning country in one year, but you should at least consider what plans he wants to try.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 8, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse


HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON ANGERED BY SARAH PALIN’S REMARKS

Hillary wants to know if Palin wants to run the United States in the same manner that she and McCain ran their dysfunctional families. With the nomination of hockey mom Sarah Palin, John McCain has officially transformed the defunct GOP Republican Party into a circus complete with a lipstick wearing pig clown displaying the IQ of a cockatoo. Hillary added that Sarah Palin’s pathological lies and unprofessional name calling led to the five letter word pertaining to an Arctic hillbilly (P A L I N).

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MCCAIN-KEATING SAVINGS AND LOANS FRAUD / FINANCIAL CRISIS AGAINST AMERICA

MCCAIN-KEATING SAVINGS AND LOANS FRAUD / FINANCIAL CRISIS AGAINST AMERICA

MCCAIN-KEATING SAVINGS AND LOANS FRAUD / FINANCIAL CRISIS AGAINST AMERICA


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The financial system is still in grave peril, despite Congress's approval of an unprecedented $700 billion bailout.

Unemployment is rising, the economy is slowing, and the question isn't whether we're in for a recession but how long and how deep the recession will be.

Meanwhile, U.S. troops are still fighting in two places -- Iraq and Afghanistan -- where foreign occupations end badly.

The terrorists who struck us on Sept. 11, 2001, have been allowed to regroup within the borders of nuclear-armed Pakistan and are busy plotting new attacks.

Rarely have there been bigger or more urgent issues to talk about in a presidential campaign.

Yet GOP Republican McCain / Palin refuse to talk about these vital issues to America. Why?
GOP Republicans caused this mess and have not a clue of how to get us out of this mess.

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The richest one percent of this country owns half our country's wealth, nine trillion dollars. One third of that comes from hard work. Two thirds of that comes from inheritance; interest on interest accumulating to widows / idiot sons; and stock / real estate SPECULATION. It is crap.

Ninety percent of the American public has little or no net worth.

WALL STREET SPECULATORS create nothing. But through SUPER-CAPITALISM (FRAUD), WALL STREET SPECULATORS OWN THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNTRY. The Super Rich running America are doing it through Las Vegas style gambling. IT IS CRAP!!!

RICH GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SPECULATORS make the rules (news, war, peace, famine, upheaval).

RICH GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SPECULATORS pick that rabbit out of the hat while the American People wonder how WE GOT INTO THIS MESS.

You are not naive enough to think that we live in a Democracy?

IT'S THE FREE MARKET. And you're a part of it.

GOP REPUBLICAN RICH WALL STREET SPECULATORS have that killer instinct. Stick around, GOP REPUBLICAN RICH WALL STREET SPECULATORS still have more stealing to do.


In a Democracy, the AMERICAN PEOPLE suppose to own AMERICA. That's right, the AMERICAN PEOPLE suppose to own AMERICA.

AMERICANS are being robbed by GOP RICH REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SPECULATORS AND THEIR WHITE HOUSE / CONGRESSIONAL STOOGES with their:

Obscenely high salaries,
Tax havens for the rich,
Tax breaks for the rich,
Tax laws for the rich,
Exclusive clubs “Eyes Wide Shut”,
Luncheons,
Hunting trips,
Golf tournaments,
Escort services,
Corporate jets,
GOLDEN PARACHUTES.

Thousands of GOP Republican CEOs and their White House / Congressional Stooges are walking away with over $20,000,000 each of stolen money from the U.S. Treasury (AMERICAN PEOPLE). This Is Treason Against the American People.


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CONGRESS YOU NO LONGER REPRESENT WALL STREET SOLELY
CONGRESS YOU NOW REPRESENT THE WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

THIS IS THE AGENDA
CONGRESS WILL REMOVE ALL GOLDEN PARACHUTES FROM THE BILL
CONGRESS WILL ENSURE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE WELL PROTECTED WITHIN THE BILL

CONGRESS WILL PROSECUTE GOP REPUBLICANS ON THE FIX AND WALL STREET SUPER RICH CEO INSIDE TRADERS. THEIR CORPORATE SHARES AND PRIVATE PROPERTIES (DOMESTIC AND ABROAD) WILL BE CONFISCATED AND RETURNED TO THE U.S. TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE).

GREED IS TREASON AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

IF CONGRESS FAILS TO PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THEN CONGRESS WILL BE DESOLVED AND A NEW CONGRESS WILL BE PUT IN PLACE TO REFLECT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE


SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO CONGRESS IN EXTREMELY SIMPLE TERMS THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE COME FIRST.

THE DAYS WHEN CONGRESS ACTED AS THE STOOGE OF GOP REPUBLICAN SUPER RICH WALL STREET SPECULATORS HAS COME TO AN END


THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TAKE TOP PRIORITY IN AMERICA

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NO MORE GOLDEN PARACHUTES FOR EXECUTIVE CRIMINALS

GOP SUPER RICH REPUBLICAN WALL STREET CRIMINALS PREPARE FOR HANDCUFFS AND ASSETS CONFISCATION


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THOSE RICH WALL STREET SPECULATING GOP REPUBLICANS WHO DROVE THE BUS INTO THE DITCH, WILL NOT BE TRUSTED TO DRIVE THE BUS OUT OF THAT DITCH.

SUPER RICH GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SPECULATORS AND THEIR GOP REPUBLICAN HAND PICKED STOOGES IN THE WHITE HOUSE ADMINISTRATION, SENATE, SUPREME COURT, TREASURY, SEC AND CONGRESS TOGETHER HAVE $1 TRILLION WORTH OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE’S ASSETS (DOMESTIC AND HIDDEN ABROAD) THAT MUST BE RETURNED TO THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES.

AMERICA WANTS ITS $1 TRILLION BACK NOW AND CRIMINAL TRIALS FOR ALL INVOLVED IN THIS CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY ARE THE NEW LAWS OF THE LAND.

TREASON AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

NO MORE GOLDEN PARACHUTES FOR EXECUTIVE CRIMINALS. GOP SUPER RICH REPUBLICAN WALL STREET CRIMINALS PREPARE FOR HANDCUFFS AND ASSETS CONFISCATION.

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THOSE GOP REPUBLICAN CORPORATE EXECUTIVES WHO STOLE AND SQUANDERED AVERAGE AMERICANS’ MONEY ON HIGH RISK UNSECURED WALL STREET LAS VEGAS STYLE SPECULATIONS SHOULD NOT BE REWARDED WITH MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR COMPENSATION PACKAGES SUBSIDIZED BY THE TAXPAYERS.

THESE GOP SUPER RICH REPUBLICAN CORPORATE EXECUTIVES, SPECULATORS AND CONGRESSIONAL STOOGES SHOULD BE IN HANDCUFFS. ALL OF THEIR ASSETS SHOULD BE CONFISCATED, LIQUIDATED AND RETURNED THE TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE).

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LET THE TRIALS BEGIN: GOP SUPER RICH REPUBLICAN FLEECING OF AMERICA

CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES VERSUS GOP SUPER RICH GOP REPUBLICAN CRIMINALS

ACT QUICKLY, ACT QUICKLY, ACT QUICKLY
IS NOT THIS THE SAME THING THAT THOSE GOP REPUBLICAN CRIMINALS SAID TO START THE ILLEGAL IRAQ WAR!

LET THE TRIALS BEGIN: CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES VERSUS GOP SUPER RICH REPUBLICAN CRIMINALS (BUSH, CHENEY, RICE, PAULSON, MCCAIN) AND THEIR WALL STREET SUPERCAPITALIST SPECULATING FELLOW CONSPIRATOR FRIENDS

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL PREVAIL

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THIS GOP REPUBLICAN SUPER RICH WALL STREET MELTDOWN IS CRIMINAL MISUSE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE’S MONEY AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL (TREASON)

JOHN MCCAIN FEARS SHARING THE STAGE WITH HARVARD LAW PROFESSOR BARACK OBAMA

MOOSE COMMUNITY COLLEGE SARAH PALIN FEARS SHARING THE STAGE WITH LAW SCHOLAR JOE BIDEN

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Hmmm, let's see. We have a bunch of republicans whining about wanting these CEOs to keep their fortunes, multiple houses and cars, and they want the taxpayers to bail them out. But when the taxpayer wanted help to keep THEIR homes, they were called a bunch of whiners by these SAME republicans and were given NO bailout.

Why are their oversized fortunes more important than the rest of America's modest and undersized ones?

Now, for the last time, once and for all, explain to me how Obama is the elitist and the republicans are "just like you and me." Go ahead. I triple dog dare you.


TREASON TRIALS FOR GOP REPUBLICAN SUPER RICH CRIMINALS

$1Trillion Illegal Iraq War plus $1Trillion Wall Street Fraud equals $2Trillion that
GOP Republicans (Bush, Cheney, Rice, Paulson, Guiliani, McCain) and those contributing members of Congress, Wall Street Speculators, and Cabinet who took part in the most Monumental Fraud against the American People owe to Our National Treasury.



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GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SUPERCAPITALISM AT ITS WORST

Executive salaries, CEO bonuses, grand robberies of the U.S. TREASURY in the $MILLIONS, $BILLIONS, and $TRILLIONS.

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SUPERCAPITALISTS robbed the AMERICAN PEOPLE of a $Trillion. RULE OF LAW states that the AMERICAN PEOPLE will be protected and all private properties, money, and wealth domestic and abroad owned by GOP REPUBLICAN SUPERCAPITALISTS taking part in robbing the U.S. TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE) will immediately be confiscated and returned to the U.S. TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE).

REPLACE GOP REPUBLICAN CEO GOLDEN PARACHUTES WITH CRIMINAL TRIALS AND PROPERTY CONFISCATION. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL PREVAIL AND THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION WILL BE REINSTATED. LONG LIVE FREEDOM AND JUSTICE. CORPORATE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY WILL BE THE LAW OF THE LAND.

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INSIDE JOB AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL:
GOP REPUBLICAN WHITE HOUSE ILLEGAL WARS AND
WALL STREET CRIMINAL DEREGULATED SPECULATIONS

You asked for it and you got it. GOP REPUBLICANS INSIDERS McCain, Bush, Cheney, Paulson, and Rice were hired by Super-Capitalists (Super Wealthy GOP REPUBLICANS) to start Illegal Oil Wars against Oil producing Nations and DEREGULATE (eliminate AMERICAN PEOPLE PROTECTION) the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT (White House, Congress, Supreme Court), TREASURY and WALL STREET. These INSIDERS did exactly what they were paid to do. Past GOP REPUBLICANS (Nixon, Reagan, Bush I) and current GOP REPUBLICANS (Bush II, Cheney, Rice, McCain, Paulson) have a credibility factor of zero. Americans no longer believe them, the World has never believed them and now they are done. They came in with the 9/11 attack upon the AMERICAN PEOPLE and leave with the Wall Street $1Trillion attack upon the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Wave after wave after wave the GOP REPUBLICANS attack the AMERICAN PEOPLE based on the premise of disrespect for anyone who is not a GOP RICH REPUBLICAN. Either you are in their group (GOP RICH REPUBLICAN) or out (debt ridden worker bee / victim). GOP REPUBLICANS view the AMERICAN PEOPLE as gullible sheep perpetually fattened with debt and led to the subhuman existence slaughter. When slavery (free labor) ended GOP RICH REPUBLICANS attacked and enslaved the people of the world through unbalanced trade. Now that foreign sweatshops are demanding better pay and treatment, GOP RICH REPUBLICANS are attacking the AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS. GOP RICH REPUBLICANS are banking on the idea that the AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS are non-thinking drones fat with artificial food, high on Wall Street sponsored imported drugs (legal / illegal), and choked with clutter, debt and noise.

Through massive GOP REPUBLICAN SPONSORED DEREGULATIONS, GOP REPUBLICAN CEOs, Treasury Secretary, Wall Street Speculators, White House Administration, Cabinet Members, and their insider friends each walked away with more than $20,000,000 annually of money stolen directly from the U.S. TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE). After eight years of GRAND FRAUD AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL, thousands of GOP REPUBLICANS ROBBED OUR UNITED STATES TREASURY OF $1TRILLION (ACTS OF TREASON AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE).

The AMERICAN PEOPLE will hold ALL GOP REPUBLICANS INVOLVED in these ACTS OF TREASON accountable before a TRIAL. ALL GOP REPUBLICANS INVOLVED in these ACTS OF TREASON will have ALL OF THEIR PROPERTIES (corporate and private, domestic and foreign sheltered) CONFISCATED, SOLD and RETURNED to OUR NATIONAL TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE). The UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION (WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE) shall prevail, despite the criminal efforts of GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SUPER-CAPITALIST CRIMINALS.

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CONGRESS WILL NOT ADJOURN UNTIL AFTER THE GOP REPUBLICAN PARTY FIX THEIR COLOSSAL MESS

GOP (GOOD OLDBOY PRIVATEERS)

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Britain has nationalized its banks. The U.S. has nationalized Wall Street and will do the same for U.S. Oil if it hits $6.50 a gallon in two years. The Treasury and Oil are too crucial for national defense to be left in the hands of self serving speculators' private greed. The United States greed based society is over. We will copy Britain or Germany’s mixed economy system based heavily on the People government oversight. Speculators and gamblers cannot be trusted with the American economy. Wrong is wrong and wolves cannot be hired to protect cash cows. Today you can gamble in Las Vegas with your credit card (money that you don’t have); Wall Street high leverage speculation is the same thing.

Three weeks ago, some Americans stupidly said that we don’t need to consider World Opinion during the 2008 presidential election. It is now clear that America and The World are closely connected and that we need to consider how the World perceives our decisions. The World does not like John McCain and will not cooperate with McCain. Europeans and the World view John McCain as an old relic bent on returning the World to perpetual hostility.

No one wants another Cold War, except McCain. Palin’s childish perceptions are not worth mentioning, especially with the World watching and laughing at McCain’s choices. Russia does not want another Expensive Cold War, but it will play ball if McCain kicks off. While Bush and McCain are building military bases in Poland, Russia is speaking with Latin American Oil Nations about refining and cutting out U.S. Oil Companies. Next Russia will build military bases in Latin American in response to U.S. bases in Eastern Europe. McCain and Wall Street weapons manufacturers are the only ones who want to profit from a new Cold War. In reality, no one benefits from a new Cold War. The American People, Russian People and World People will be injured by a new Cold War. Expect European demands to be rid of all U.S. bases in Europe. The American People, Russian People and World People want peace and cooperation from the United States led by Barack Obama.

The World loves Barack Obama and has signed a letter of intent to cooperate with America under Barack’s leadership. Throughout the World young presidents are emerging and none of them want to return to the bad days of the Cold War (bomb shelters, high interest rates, disproportionate military spending, nuclear buildup, general fear). Nobody wants the return of the Cold War, except McCain and Wall Street weapons manufacturers. The American People are nationalizing Wall Street to prevent weapons manufacturers from dictating unfavorable terms to our economy. Again the American middle class must see pass their ignorance and the emperor with no clothes (Bush, McCain, Palin, Guiliani). Americans must vote for it’s best interest, which includes a favorable World Opinion. America And The World Will Vote Obama to avert financial and military catastrophes.

Let’s not forget that China, Saudi Arabia and India together hold over $1 Trillion in American currency. Do you think that China, Saudi Arabia and India have votes in the 2008 American election? The CEOs of American companies and Wall Street Banks heavily invested with funds from China, Saudi Arabia and India know that foreign governments will be exercising their strong votes in our election. You can thank McCain deregulations and GOP Republican American job outsourcing for dissipating Our American votes.

Obama has 8 years experience as a State Senator, 4 years in the US Senate, taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago, etc. Obama’s very high intellectual capacity allows him to analyze situations and make sound decisions. How can you even compare Palin’s GED from Moose Community College credentials to these?

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GOP REPUBLICAN JOHN MCCAIN WALL STREET DEREGULATIONS
GOP REPUBLICAN JOHN MCCAIN ALSO WANTED TO PRIVATIZE SOCIAL SECURITY (BONEHEAD)
GOP REPUBLICAN JOHN MCCAIN sponsored landmark legislation in 1999 that removed the walls between banks, investment firms and insurance companies. GOP REPUBLICAN JOHN MCCAIN bill allowed a company like AIG to expand beyond its traditional insurance business (which is still profitable) into exotic new extremely high risk products that brought the company down and created this colossal mess.

WALL STREET SRO - SELF REGULATORY ORGANIZATION
THE GOP REPUBLICAN RUN Government (GOP President, GOP Congress, GOP Supreme Court) looked the other way, while GOP REPUBLICAN Super-capitalist WALL STREET SRO Speculators Robbed Our U.S. TREASURY and Forced the $Trillion Debt Upon the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

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Average Americans are becoming poorer, because GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET super rich SPECULATORS and corporate CEOs are paying themselves, business partners, friends, and family members at least $20,000,000 annually from MONEY STOLEN FROM THE U.S. TREASURY. These major crimes committed by WALL STREET SPECULATORS AND CEOs have gone beyond greed and into acts of treason against the AMERICAN PEOPLE. Seize the stolen money and properties valued in the $TRILLIONS back from these super criminals for attacking America. Those stolen $MILLIONS / $BILLIONS / $TRILLIONS belong to the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

RULE OF LAW states that the People of the United States will be defended. Those who attack American Citizens will be prosecuted. WALL STREET SPECULATORS and CORPORATE CEOs dictatorship over the AMERICAN PEOPLE is over. Average Americans are not going to accept WALL STREET CORPORATE CRIMES anymore. Rights of Citizen and Average Workers of the United States will be enforced. The AMERICAN PEOPLE will always come before corporate interests, because Americans Love America more than Wall Street Speculators love greed.

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GERMANY, FRANCE, ENGLAND HAVE GREATER CITIZEN-WORKERS’ RIGHTS, TRANSPARENCY, OVERSIGHT, AND DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY THAN GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET RUN AMERICA. AMERICA WILL HONOR AMERICAN CITIZENS WITH DEMOCRATIC WORKERS’ RIGHTS, TRANSPARENCY, OVERSIGHT, AND DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY.

NO MORE WALL STREET DICTATORSHIP OVER CONGRESS
NO MORE WALL STREET IMPORTATION OF ILLEGAL CARTEL DRUGS
NO MORE WALL STREET MASS GUN SALES
NO MORE WALL STREET ILLEGAL WARS
NO MORE WALL STREET WILD SPECULATION AND IRRESPONSIBLE LEVERAGE
NO MORE WALL STREET SOFT PORNOGRAPHY ON PRIME TIME TELEVISION
NO MORE WALL STREET MASS VIOLENCE ON PRIME TIME TELEVISION
NO MORE WALL STREET HATE RADIO
NO MORE WALL STREET UNAUTHORIZED SPYING ON AMERICAN CITIZENS
NO MORE WALL STREET ILLEGAL CREDIT SCORES
NO MORE WALL STREET OVERSEAS TAX HAVENS
NO MORE WALL STREET OUTSOURCING AMERICAN JOBS
NO MORE WALL STREET BUYING AMERICAN POLITICIANS


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GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET $TRILLION FRAUD AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

Direct impact of GOP McCain sponsored deregulations
Bankrupt and floundering
Failure of the investment bank
Government's takeover

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET's business model has collapsed

Greed and fear routinely govern GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET financial markets and GLOBAL CRISIS.

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET (giant investment houses, brokerage firms, hedge funds, "private equity" firms) irresponsibly TRADED the savings of average Americans (placed LAS VEGAS STYLE BETS on extremely high risk stocks, bonds, and other securities).

DUBIOUS MORTGAGES were PACKAGED into BONDS and SOLD and TRADED. Investment houses had huge incentives to increase LEVERAGE (OBSCENELY HIGH BORROWING).

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET compensation is heavily skewed toward annual bonuses, reflecting the profits traders and managers earned in the tune of lavish base salaries and obscenely high annual bonuses of $20,000,000.

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET relies heavily on OBSCENELY HIGH LEVERAGE (OBSCENELY HIGH BORROWING). $3 Trillion (stocks, bonds, other securities) backed by only $80 billion in shareholders' equity while the $2.8 Trillion was LEVERAGE (BORROWED).

Leverage (huge borrowing) can create huge debts (huge principal and interest obligations)

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET is a manic machine for gambling.
Traders and money managers are given huge incentives to do whatever would increase short-term profits.

For decades, GOP REPUBLICAN JOHN MCCAIN sponsored legislation that broadly deregulated WALL STREET banking and insurance industries.

GOP REPUBLICAN JOHN MCCAIN swept away Consumer Protection legislation and opened the way for a less restricted high risk financial marketplace.

While the GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET boom continued, government (White House, Congress, Supreme Court) looked the other way.

GOP REPUBLICAN Congress resisted tougher regulation and permitted WALL STREET to run out of control at obscenely high LEVERAGE (OBSCENELY HIGH BORROWED MONEY) RATIOS perpetrating intentional fraud against the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET leaders intentionally deceived customers and lenders into taking hazardous risks for short-term rewards regardless of the long-term dangers to the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Mortgages went bad. The powerful high leverage went into reverse. Losses eroded firms' capital bases and raised doubts about their survival.

Financial firms took major stupid and wasteful risks that severely damaged the American Economy and impeded economic recovery.

GOP REPUBLICAN STOCK MARKET $TRILLION FRAUD has deepened consumers' pessimism, fear and reluctance to spend. There may be more failures of FINANCIAL FIRMS.

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET financial crises resemble the GOP REPUBLICAN illegal miscalculated war.


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How were we ever made to believe that the now-collapsing GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET model ever made sense? Common sense should have told us that making RISKY BETS with HUGE AMOUNTS of BORROWED MONEY was a DANGEROUS GAME; if the bets pay off you make money beyond your wildest dreams, but if they go bad you face utter ruin.

Common sense should have told us that betting fortunes on meaningless fluctuations in stock, bond or currency values (McCain sponsored deregulated hedge funds) was about as productive as a trip to Las Vegas. Common sense should have told us that buying and selling exotic securities based on other securities based on bundles of mortgages that were treated like mere numbers on a balance sheet (no recognition that the whole iffy construct was based on real people living in real houses that they might or might not be able to afford) was not an intelligent endeavor.

Somehow, we all forgot that "HIGHLY LEVERAGED" is just another way of saying "DEEPLY INDEBTED." Now we've had a wake-up call, and maybe the erstwhile Masters of the Universe will have to stop playing with imaginary money and go back to using the real stuff.


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RULE OF LAW WILL ENFORCE CONFISCATION OF ALL GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SPECULATORS’ AND CEOS’ PERSONAL PROPERTIES RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR ECONOMY’S MELTDOWN. All money and properties of the Super Rich CEOs and WALL STREET Speculators domestic and abroad will be confiscated and returned to the United States TREASURY and the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

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WALL STREET SRO - SELF REGULATORY ORGANIZATION
OUR GOP REPUBLICAN RUN Government (GOP President, GOP Congress, GOP Supreme Court) looked the other way, while GOP REPUBLICAN Super-capitalist WALL STREET SRO Speculators Robbed Our U.S. TREASURY and Forced the $Trillion Debt Upon the AMERICAN PEOPLE.


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GOP REPUBLICAN LIARS SUPER RICH WALL STREET GET RICH QUICK GREEDY
BILLION DOLLARS RISKY UNSECURED LOANS RISKY UNSECURED LOANS RISKY UNSECURED LOANS
REPACKAGED AND SOLD TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

GOP REPUBLICAN LIARS SUPER RICH WALL STREET ROBBER BARONS
COMMIT TREASON AND GRAND FRAUD AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.


WALL STREET SRO - SELF REGULATORY ORGANIZATION
OUR GOP REPUBLICAN RUN Government (GOP President, GOP Congress, GOP Supreme Court) looked the other way, while GOP REPUBLICAN Super-capitalist WALL STREET SRO Speculators Robbed Our U.S. TREASURY and Forced the $Trillion Debt Upon the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

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HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON ANGERED BY SARAH PALIN’S REMARKS

Comments uttered by Sarah Palin has angered Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton who described Sarah Palin as an opportunist with no qualifications. Senator Hillary Clinton also stated that John McCain and Sarah Palin’s records on women’s rights are abominable. The country cannot withstand anymore George Bush failures cloaked in McCain/Palin. Asking Sarah Palin to become Vice President is like asking the grazing moose behind her trailer to pilot the shuttle.

National Organization of Women (NOW) Endorsed Pro-Women’s Rights ticket Obama / Biden for their outstanding work bettering the lives of women.

During her first term as Mayor, Palin went on an intense firing spree by sacking, or requesting resumes and resignation letters from the chief of police, finance director, public works director, and librarian.

In October of 1996, Palin consulted the city librarian about censoring "objectionable" books. The librarian was shocked and responded that the books were selected "on the basis of national selection criteria of libraries this size" and would resist all efforts to ban or remove any books from the library. A few months later Emmons received a letter from Palin stating that she had been terminated from her job. Emmons was reinstated the next day after public outcry.

Long time Alaskan acquaintance described Sarah Palin as a malicious, conniving opportunist, a reckless spender, and power abuser. Initially Palin supported the 'bridge to nowhere' project and even wore t-shirts that supported the project. When she realized that the project was not supported by the public she decided to back off.

Palin is an avid pro-lifer. Teen pregnancies are a major dilemma facing the nation today. The government spent $1 billion in supporting abstinence-only sex education programs since 1996. In the case of Palin's daughter, such programs are failing us. Palin is comfortable with giving her own daughter a choice, but wants to take away that choice from the rest of the nation.

By picking a young, attractive and vivacious woman as his partner in crime, McCain hoped to pull in all the disappointed Clinton supporters. This was his crucial mistake, because Sarah Palin is the antithesis of Hillary Clinton. She stands against women rights and would reverse women's rights by fifty years. Women are not as gullible as McCain and his advisors had hoped that they would be. Just because McCain placed a young woman in front of the crowd does not mean women will automatically vote for her without any question. Women will soon realize that Sarah Palin is an anti-choice, homophobic, polar bear, wolf, moose, and deer killing machine.

Sarah Palin is incapable of writing a speech. The speech given by her at the Republican National Convention was written long before she was considered for McCain’s running mate by the computer. McCain had never heard of Palin until after the computer printed her name one day before his announcement.

The thought that Sarah Palin will do anything in the White House is unsettling, because she is a unhinged lunatic who will mess up and give the public the perception that women cannot be in power. Hillary Rodham Clinton and women throughout the country are very angry that Sarah “moose hunter” Palin is in such an important position. Four out of Sarah’s five best friends have committed to Barack Obama.


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GOP REPUBLICANS ARE AUTHORITARIANS WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN FREE SPEECH OR DEMOCRACY. GOP REPUBLICAN ONLY INTERESTS ARE POWER AND MONEY.

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GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SUPERCAPITALISM AT ITS WORST

Executive salaries, CEO bonuses, grand robberies of the U.S. TREASURY in the $MILLIONS, $BILLIONS, and $TRILLIONS.

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SUPERCAPITALISTS robbed the AMERICAN PEOPLE of a $Trillion. RULE OF LAW states that the AMERICAN PEOPLE will be protected and all private properties, money, and wealth domestic and abroad owned by GOP REPUBLICAN SUPERCAPITALISTS taking part in robbing the U.S. TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE) will immediately be confiscated and returned to the U.S. TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE).

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PALIN FAILIN RETURNED HOME TO 2,000 ALASKAN PROTESTERS WHO CHEERFULLY CHANTED "O-BAM-AH.

Gov. Sarah Palin returned home to 2,000 protesters outside the Anchorage library who wanted to correct the widespread impression that the Last Frontier endorses her candidacy.

"Last week a group of women were sitting around talking about this perception that all of Alaska supports Sarah Palin. We apparently hit a nerve and started a movement,"

A sense of festival obtained. There was a woman in a polar bear suit representing "Polar Bear Moms Say: No Palin Failin." Drivers on 36th Avenue saw a little girl waving a sign "Don't Ban My Books."

"My mom is from Alaska. She's a working mother. She's good looking," said Nolan. "So she seems to be qualified to be vice president."

Asking Sarah Palin to become the Vice President is like asking the grazing moose behind her trailer to pilot the shuttle.

Sarah Palin Failin Protesters Held Signs Reading:

Bush In A Skirt
Palin Be Failin
Jesus Was a Community Organizer
Palin Failin: Thanks But No Thanks
Smearing Alaska's Good Name One Scandal @ a Time
Candidate To Nowhere
Rape Kits Should Be Free
Voted For Her Once: Never Again!
Community Organizers are the Real Patriots
Barbies for War
I Shall Not Be Pandered To
Give Palin Failin Your Vote AND Your Draft Age Child
Sarah Palin Failin: So Far Right She's Wrong
Alaska Is Not Frisco
Coat Hangers for McCain
Sarah Palin Failin, Undoing 150 Years of American Feminism
Hockey Mama for Obama (on a hockey stick)


Cheerful chants of "O-bam-ah.


National Organization of Women (NOW) Endorses Obama / Biden For Their Pro-Women Rights Stance


McCain / Palin Failin are rejected for their anti-women stance and votes against Women Rights


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PRESIDENTIAL AND VICE PRESIDENTIAL CHOICES

I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....

If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're 'exotic, different.'

Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, and its a quintessential American story.

If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.

Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.

Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.

If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer,
become President of the Harvard Law Review,
create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters,
spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor,
spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people,
become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee,
spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13
million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign
Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees,
you don't have any real leadership experience.

If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years
on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less
than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000
people, and cook caribou/grizzly/wolf stew, then you're qualified to become the country's second
highest ranking executive.

If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters,
all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.

If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress,
and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month,
you're a Christian.

If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including
the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

If , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only,
with no other option in sex education in your state's school system
while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant , you're very responsible.

If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm
to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family,
your family's values don't represent America's.

If you're husband is nicknamed 'First Dude', with at least one DWI conviction
and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and
once was a member of a group that advocated: the secession of Alaska from the USA,
your family is extremely admirable.

OK, much clearer now.


National Organization of Women (NOW) Endorses Obama / Biden For Their Pro-Women Rights Stance


McCain / Palin Failin are rejected for their anti-women stance and votes against Women Rights


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BRITISH PRIME MINISTER BROWN SUPPORTS BARACK OBAMA

LONDON - BRITISH PRIME MINISTER GORDON BROWN voiced support for UNITED STATES DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE BARACK OBAMA, saying he would help Americans struggling with an economic downturn.

In a move seen by some British media as a break with a political convention requiring foreign leaders to remain neutral ahead of US elections, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER BROWN praised MR. OBAMA as a fellow “progressive politician” who would help ordinary Americans in tough times. With eight weeks to go before the presidential election, MR. OBAMA and his Republican rival John McCain are neck-and-neck in domestic opinion polls.

BRITISH PRIME MINISTER BROWN described the race for the White House as “electrifying” and said: “It is the DEMOCRATS who are generating the ideas to help people through more difficult times.”

“To help prevent people from losing their home, BARACK OBAMA has proposed a Foreclosure Prevention Fund to increase emergency pre-foreclosure counselling, and help families facing repossession,” he wrote in an article in The Monitor magazine, a monthly political publication.

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2008 UNITED STATES DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL RACE

DEMOCRAT HARVARD LAW VS. GOP REPUBLICAN S

OBAMA OF HARVARD LAW AND PRESIDENT OF HARVARD LAW REVIEW
BIDEN OF SYRACUSE LAW

MCCAIN OF NAVY ACADEMY LAST PLACE
PALIN FAILIN OF MOOSE COLLEGE

GOP Republican Wall Street SRO (Self Regulatory Organization) Robber Baron Supercapitalism Is Down And Will No Longer Rob the U.S. TREASURY and AMERICAN PEOPLE

STOP DESTRUCTIVE GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SUPERCAPITALISM OIL SPECUALTARS (OIL MILLIONAIRES BUSH, CHENEY, RICE, MCCAIN, PALIN FAILIN)

NATIONALIZE U.S. OIL FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE
NATIONALIZE U.S. OIL FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE
NATIONALIZE U.S. OIL FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE

WHY A BARREL OF OIL ILLEGALLY SHOT UP FROM $24 TO $145 DURING THE GOP REPUBLICAN (MCCAIN, BUSH, CHENEY, RICE, PALIN FAILIN) ADMINISTRATION


GOP REPUBLICAN BUSH I OOOOOIIIIILLLLL MILLIONAIRE AND OIL EXECUTIVE
GOP REPUBLICAN BUSH II OOOOOIIIIILLLLL MILLIONAIRE AND OIL EXECUTIVE
GOP REPUBLICAN CHENEY OOOOOIIIIILLLLL MILLIONAIRE AND OIL EXECUTIVE
GOP REPUBLICAN RICE OOOOOIIIIILLLLL MILLIONAIRE AND OIL EXECUTIVE
GOP REPUBLICAN GUILIANI OOOOOIIIIILLLLL MILLIONAIRE AND OIL STOCKHOLDER
GOP REPUBLICAN MCCAIN OOOOOIIIIILLLLL MILLIONAIRE AND OIL STOCKHOLDER
GOP REPUBLICAN PALIN FAILIN OOOOOIIIIILLLLL COMMISSIONER AND OIL STOCKHOLDER


TOGETHER WHAT DO THEY ALL HAVE IN COMMON?

THEY ARE ALL GOP REPUBLICAN OOOOOIIIIILLLLL MILLIONAIRES AND OIL STOCKHOLDERS


GOP REPUBLICAN OOOOOIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLL IS THE NEW CRACK
GOP REPUBLICAN OOOOOIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLL IS THE NEW CRACK
GOP REPUBLICAN OOOOOIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLL IS THE NEW CRACK


CAN YOU SAY GOP REPUBLICAN CONSPIRACY TO DEFRAUD THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, ROB OUR U.S. TREASURY, AND SPECULATE FOR OBSCENELY HIGH PROFIT RETURNS ON WALL STREET OIL STOCKS

WAKE UP AMERICA, BECAUCE THE WORLD ALREADY KNOWS ABOUT THE CRIMINAL GOP REPUBLICAN PARTY OF CONSPIRATORS

NATIONALIZE U.S. OIL FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE AS A VITAL RESOURCE

AMERICA AND AMERICANS FIRST

NO MORE GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET OOOOOIIIIILLLLL SPECULATION AND FRAUD AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

IF YOU SAY THAT YOU LOVE AMERICA, THEN PROVE IT AND STOP THE GOP REPUBLICAN RAIDERS UPON OUR U.S. TREASURY AND OUTSOURCING OF U.S. JOBS

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GOP Republican Wall Street Get Rich Quick By Robbing America TREASURY Wild Speculators Created The Enormous National Debt, So Make Them Pay For It And Balance Our Budget.
GOP Republican Wall Street Supercapitalism Speculators Have Committed Treason Against Our Country.

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HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON ANGERED BY SARAH PALIN FAILIN’S REMARKS


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Will the GOP Republican get rich by selling America party take credit for any of their disasters? GOP Republicans are successful at failing and hurting OUR COUNTRY in the eyes of the WORLD. Can we really afford to ignore what the ENTIRE WORLD THINKS OF US?


How does the WORLD perceive AMERICA led by Barack Obama? Extremely favorable.

How does the WORLD perceive AMERICA led by John McCain? Extremely negative.

FOUR MORE YEARS ANYONE?

Eventually, Americans will realize that doing the same thing (electing GOP Republicans) will not yield different results (stock market disasters, economic disasters, world view disasters, failed foreign policy disasters, failed domestic policies disasters).

Spraying perfume on a new GOP Republican Pig will not create a bright and shiny candidate. Garbage in equal garbage out. GOP Republican garbage in yield (stock market, economic, foreign relations, domestic policies) garbage out.

McCain has perpetually been a failure from school until now.
Palin Failin has perpetually been a failure (with a hillbilly hockey mom accent) from day one until now. Her bear hunting Arctic outback kids prove it.

Do you really need someone to tell you these basic facts? Under the Freedom of Information Act, all of this information is available free if you choose to type in the questions.

Lets prove to the Europeans and the World that we are not stupid, because they think that we are after two terms of Forrest Gump Bush.

Crash Every Plane McCain and Hillbilly Trailer Palin Failin are not reflective of the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

If Palin Failin had a brain, then she would have considered the immense responsibilities demanded of the Office of the United States Vice President or President; and politely declined McCain’s crack induced invitation. GOP Republican Party is a joke.

If FOX NEWS does not clean up it’s filthy RACIST acts of discrimination, then American and European audiences will B O Y C O T T FOX RACIST NEWS.


GOP Republican Wall Street Get Rich Quick By Robbing America TREASURY Wild Speculators Created The Enormous National Debt, So Make Them Pay For It And Balance Our Budget.
GOP Republican Wall Street Supercapitalism Speculators Have Committed Treason Against Our Country.


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REPORT SAYS GOP REPUBLICAN OIL AGENCY RAN AMOK

INVESTIGATION OF GOP REPUBLICAN OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET

INVESTIGATION OF GOP REPUBLICAN MINERALS MANAGEMENT SERVICE OIL MARKETING GROUP


GOP REPUBLICAN Government officials in charge of collecting BILLIONS of dollars worth of royalties from OIL and gas companies accepted gifts, steered contracts to favored clients and engaged in drug use and illicit sex with employees of the energy firms, federal investigators reported.

Investigators from the Interior Department's inspector general's office said more than a dozen employees, including the former director of the OIL royalty program, took meals, ski trips, sports tickets and golf outings from industry representatives. The report alleges that the former director, also netted more than $30,000 from improper outside work.

The report from Inspector General contains fresh allegations about the practices at the beleaguered royalty-in-kind program of Interior's Minerals Management Service, which last year collected more than $4 billion worth of OIL and natural gas from companies given contracts to tap energy on federal and Indian lands and offshore. The revelations come as Congress is set to consider opening the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and areas off the coast of Florida for drilling.

The royalty-in-kind program, based near Denver, allows energy companies to pay the government in OIL and gas, rather than cash, for the privilege of drilling on government land. It has been the subject of multiple investigations since 2006 by the Interior Department's secretary, its inspector general, the Justice Department and Congress for alleged mismanagement and conflicts of interest.

In the report released yesterday, investigators said they "discovered a culture of substance abuse and promiscuity" in which employees accepted gratuities "with prodigious frequency." The report cited one e-mail from a Shell Pipeline representative asking a woman in the royalty office to attend "tailgating festivities" at a Houston Texans football game: "You're invited . . . have you and the girls meet at my place at 6am for bubble baths and final prep."

Besides Shell, the energy company employees mentioned in the report worked for Chevron, Hess and Gary-Williams Energy. The social outings detailed in the report included alcohol-, cocaine- and marijuana-filled parties where certain employees of the Minerals Management Service were nicknamed the "MMS Chicks" by the energy employees. The companies paid for federal workers to attend football and baseball games, PGA Tour events, Colorado ski trips, paintball outings and "treasure hunts," investigators found.

"The OIL INDUSTRY holds shocking sway over the ADMINISTRATION and even KEY FEDERAL EMPLOYEES,". "This is why we must not allow BIG OIL'S AGENDA to be jammed through CONGRESS."

The current director of the Minerals Management Service, said that he takes the report "very seriously".
Employees identified in the report told investigators that they didn't think ethics rules applied to them because of their "unique" role in the agency and that they needed to socialize with industry representatives for "market intelligence," according to the report. Those employees, some of whom have been transferred to different offices, have been recommended for internal administrative action.

The inspector general's release comprised three separate reports, including one devoted to the program's director. It alleges that Smith improperly worked part time for Geomatrix Consultants, an Oakland, Calif.-based environmental and engineering firm, and marketed the company to government clients.

Additionally, the report said that the director had an inappropriate sexual relationship with a subordinate whom he paid to buy cocaine, promising her a bonus in return. The director admitted to the sexual encounter.

The director, who now works for a private OIL company in Denver, did not respond to requests for comment. Investigators referred their findings to federal prosecutors.

Justice officials also declined to comment on their decision about the criminal case against the highest-ranking official named in the report director of the Minerals Management Service, who worked in Washington. She is accused of improperly arranging a million-dollar deal for two retired employees.

The wife of the procurement policy administrator for the WHITE HOUSE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET, retired from government service Jan. 31. She declined to comment on the report. She told investigators she had a "personal issue. The Justice Department's decision to charge created a rift with Interior officials.

One of the two retired employees pleaded guilty in July to a federal conflict-of-interest charge related to the investigation. Another employee has been under investigation for similar conflict-of-interest allegations.

Before he left, Mayberry created a job for himself by writing the job description and the criteria for selecting the winning bidder, court documents show. He started a company out of his Texas home and was awarded a $150,000 contract in June 2003. He later hired Dial, the report said. Mayberry's firm collected $788,000 worth of contracts.

The royalty-in-kind program, which started as a small pilot project a decade ago, has been touted as a way to simplify the way OIL AND GAS COMPANIES pay for the right to drill on federal land and offshore. Instead of calculating the profit from a well, they can simply give the government one-eighth to one-sixth of whatever they take from the ground.

Revenue rose quickly, from $1.5 billion in 2004 to $4.3 billion last fiscal year. But the growth occurred "in an environment with relatively unstructured in-house oversight," the congressionally convened Royalty Policy Committee said in a December report. Previous reports have said that companies were allowed to revise their million-dollar bids for projects indiscriminately, that government workers routinely failed to seek out legal advice on complicated deals and that the agency used outdated computers and a $150 million software program that resulted in royalty money going uncollected.

A lawyer who represented states and tribes entitled to a cut of the royalties, said it was nearly impossible to get accurate numbers from the agency. "They kept hemming and hawing," she said.

In late 2006 questions arose over its handling of leases written in 1998 and 1999 that allowed major OIL companies drilling in the Gulf of Mexico to avoid BILLIONS of dollars in royalty payments.

Former Interior Department auditors accused the agency of failing to bill companies. "We weren't allowed to audit them. It was disturbing," said an auditor who sued the federal government for not collecting royalties. "You couldn't see what was going on."

The minerals agency director said that the harm done by the royalty employees was to public trust and TREASURY, and acknowledged that financial considerations were given to firms that gave favors to federal employees, and he said the contracts will be audited.


Do you really question the motives of GOP Republicans Criminals? America must Immediately Nationalize U.S. OIL and Gas For National Defense.

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DEMOCRAT HARVARD LAW VS. GOP REPUBLICAN CRASH JET AND MUDVILLE


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U.S. Presidents From Harvard Law
John Adams
John Quincy Adams
Rutherford Hayes
Theodore Roosevelt
Franklin Roosevelt
John Kennedy
Barack Obama


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President and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama Contrast With Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain


Growing Up

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain was privileged, given everything by both parents, and worked for nothing.


Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama grew up poor, raised by his Irish-American single white mother and Irish-American white working class maternal grand parents. Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama was given nothing and worked for everything.

Education

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain was a and graduated last in his class. Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain and McBush Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire share failed academic records. He partied constantly and dependent on favor handouts from his high ranking father and grandfather. Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain earned nothing on his own similar to McBush Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire. Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain is also Internet illiterate which slows down his information processing capacity. Is this good for the country?


Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama worked hard and became PRESIDENT OF THE HARVARD LAW REVIEW. Everything that Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama accomplished he did on his own. Irish-American Barack Obama’s HARVARD Scholarship ranks among the best. Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama’s hard work represents the American Dream.


Community Service

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain poor studies translated into poor performances in the military where he crashed several planes and recklessly endangered the lives of others. Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain was never trusted by his colleagues nor loved by his peers. The highlight of Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain’s career was getting shot down and becoming a prisoner. Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain served his country by getting handouts from his guards. Getting handouts seems to be Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain’s modem of operations. WillObscenelyRich Crash Every Plane McCain, who finished 894th out of 899 at the Naval Academy and who lost five jets, return competence to the White House? To lose one plane over Vietnam may be a heroic tragedy; to lose five planes here and there is carelessness.

Irish-American Barack Obama turned down large profits after graduating from HARVARD LAW to serve the community in Chicago where help was needed most. The community learned to trust and love Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama for his dedication to public service.


Marriage

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain walked out on his family to chase a younger woman who was on drugs, embezzling money from her company, stealing, and facing criminal charges, until her privileged family saved her from trial. Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain’s dysfunctional family represents chaos and lack of respect when he curses her in public.


Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama married an intelligent IVY LEAGUE attorney and adores his beautiful young daughters. Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama’s First Family represents what America is striving for. Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama has always been surrounded by and still maintains a great respect for women (Irish mother, Irish grandmother, sister, wife, and two daughters). If anyone is in tune with and favors the betterment of working American women, then it’s Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama.

International Diplomacy

The World wants no more chaotic McBush Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire- Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain.


The World loves Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama and will follow America’s leadership behind Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama.

If Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain had to make another emergency landing on a deserted island with Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama onboard as one of the passengers, then it is safe to say that Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain would assume the role of Gilligan, while Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama would assume the role of the professor.

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Hillary Clinton Will Destroy Sarah Palin Failin From Mooseville College.


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Navy pilot John Sidney Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.

His father John S. "Junior" McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe later becoming commander of American forces in Vietnam while Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain III was being held prisoner of war. Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain III's grandfather John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.

During his relative short stunt on flight status, Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft, four in accidents and one in combat.

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings. He was knocked unconscious by the impact coming to as the plane settled to the bottom.

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral."

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's third crash three occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game.

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's fourth aircraft loss occurred July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi.

"Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [ Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant."

When the communist learned that Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's father was Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific, he was rushed to Gai Lam military hospital.

The communist Vietnamese figured, because POW Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's father was of such high military rank, that he was of royalty or the governing circle. Thereafter the communist bragged that they had captured "the crown prince."

For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat. Since Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain got 28 medals, that equals out to a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more than 7,000 hours in combat where I'm sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down.

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed to gloss over his failures as a pilot and collaborations with the enemy by exaggerating his military service and lying about his feats of heroism.

Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain has sprouted a halo and wings to become America's POW-hero presidential candidate.

Former naval officer and the owner of an OOIIILLLL-trading company that inked defense contracts worth $1 billion is the modern presidential money man. The law forbids high-level supporters from writing huge checks, but with help from friends in the Middle East Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain is receiving large donations.

If FOX NEWS does not clean up it’s filthy RACIST acts of discrimination, then American and European audiences will B O Y C O T T FOX RACIST NEWS.


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Barak Obama proved why November's presidential election will end in a 50-state sweep. John Crash Every Plane McCain has no chance. It's like George Bush climbing into the ring with Mike Tyson; one thundering left hook and the Crawford Caligula would be sprawled across the canvas. "No mas"! The same fate awaits the crabby senator from Arizona. The polls are skewed to look like there's a political horse-race going on. There isn't. It's a complete rout. There's one well-toned thoroughbred striding from venue to venue electrifying the ever-increasing throngs, and one doddering, old mare limping towards the glue-factory. Someone should put a stop to it before Crash Every Plane McCain gets hurt.

At the Victory Column in Berlin's Tiergarten, Obama extracted Old Glory from the burn-pile and gave Brand America a desperately needed shot of adrenaline. 200,000 ecstatic Germans jammed the streets in what turned out to be the political shindig of the year. Many of them were waving American flags and chanting, "Obama, Obama, Obama". It was like Jack Kennedy had risen from his moldy sepulcher and made his way across the pond for one last rousing ovation. Obama has the very same affect on crowds. Its a gift and he knows how to use it to great advantage.

"People of Berlin, people of the world, this is our moment, this is our time," Obama boomed. "I know my country has not perfected itself, we've made our share of mistakes and there are times when our actions around the world have not lived up to our best intentions. But the greatest danger of all is to allow new walls to divide us from one another."

What can we say about Obama's oratory skills that hasn't already been said? He is one of those unique characters who knows how to tap into the collective psyche and put them under his spell. He is the closest thing to a Pied Piper we've seen in the last half century. Whatever one thinks of his politics, his speeches are a welcome reprieve from the simian blabbering of President Dimwit.

"I speak to you not as a candidate for president, but as a citizen; a proud citizen of the United States and a fellow citizen of the world." (Roaring applause)

JOHN Crash Every Plane McCain: Maverick or Freak?
Have you taken a look at the crowds at a Crash Every Plane McCain event. Usually, there aren't any. Typically, there are more journalists and cameramen then people; and even they look bored. It's the truth. He generates no enthusiasm at all. None. He may be the most uninspiring, tedious, pure-vanilla candidate of all time; a complete dud. I challenge anyone to recite from memory anything John Crash Every Plane McCain has ever said in his 40 years in office. Time's up! When Crash Every Plane McCain begins to talk, its a signal for women to pull out the nail-files and for men to figure out how they're going to get out of cutting the lawn this week. Really. No one listens.

And the people that do manage to drag themselves to his speeches out of a sense of obligation are (you guessed it) scowling white guys with baseball caps pulled tightly over their ears or nearly-ambulatory Korea-era Vets who think the United Nations is a communist front-group that's planning to air-drop blue-helmets into Duluth to take over the United States. Tin-foil hats anyone?

Popularity and charisma, how does one survive in politics with neither. That's the question, and it may be the biggest mystery of Crash Every Plane McCain's candidacy. He's just not a likable guy. No one ever talks about hanging out and having a beer with John Crash Every Plane McCain, because they know that he might go "Jackie Chan" and start busting the place up. And he's utterly impossible to listen to. His high-pitched squeaky voice is about two octaves higher than a dog-whistle and twice as annoying. So how is he going to beat Obama. It's a total mismatch.

Crash Every Plane McCain is the perfect candidate for the GOP Republic party that has completely collapsed. He's like the "Jolly Roger" on the front of an iodine bottle; Brand X. In 2000, the Republican Party boasted it was the "party of ideas". What ideas? The Republican Party has never had ideas because the corporate mandarins and blue-blooded kleptocrats that run the party are suspicious of ideas, ideology, doctrine, philosophy or anything else that veers from their primary objectives of crushing the poor, despoiling the environment, carpet-bombing brown people wherever they may be, and enriching themselves. That's all they care about. The task of the right-wing think-tanks is to treat "war and tax cuts" like they're ideas. They're not. But war and tax cuts ARE the two foundation blocks of the Republican Party. There's nothing else; there never has been. Don't look for ideas; there aren't any. GOP Republican get rich quick by defrauding the AMERICAN PEOPLE, robbing the National TREASURY, sending American jobs overseas, and raising the national debt.

Hold Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Crash Every Plane McCain accountable for the crimes they've committed during their time in office.

Obama is not a candidate; he's a phenomenon. Obama is an explosive, vital, charismatic politician. When he speaks people feel better about themselves and their country. And, they're more hopeful about the future, too. That's what makes him unbeatable.

Crash Every Plane McCain, on the other hand, is the perfect embodiment of his party; a rusty, broken-down hulk that's been stripped of its engine, its fenders and all its moving parts. Even the steering wheel is gone. It's a dead-loss; nothing is salvageable.

Crash Every Plane McCain is in way over his head. This election is going to be a real embarrassment for him. It's too bad. He should be back at the Phoenix Rest Home shooing kids off the front lawn instead of waiting for the ax to fall in November. It's a rotten way to end a career.

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GOP Republican Wall Street SRO (Self Regulatory Organization) Robber Baron Supercapitalism Is Down And Will No Longer Rob the U.S. TREASURY and AMERICAN PEOPLE


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GOP REPUBLICAN PLANE/TRAILER WRECK MCCAIN/PALIN FAILIN

With Wall Street OOOIIIIILLLLLL stocks paid under the table to Sarah Palin Failin OOOOIIIIILLLLLL Commissioner from OOOOOIIIIIILLLLLLL Millionaires Crash Every Plane McCain, Bush, Cheney, Rice and Guiliani; it appears that Sarah Palin Failin OOOOIIIIILLLLLL Commissioner, her large family, dogs, cats, chickens, and hogs can now move out of their trailer. Guiliani went from GOP front runner to anonymous polygamist. Guiliani is the biggest joke and shares home dysfunction with Bush, Cheney, Rice, Crash Every Plane McCain and now Sarah trailer Palin Failin OOOOIIIIILLLLLL Commissioner. OOOOIIIIILLLLLLL MILLIONS stolen from Our TREASURY did not help their dysfunctional families.

GOP Republican Wall Street Get Rich by robbing the American TREASURY and outsourcing American jobs party has officially been dissolved. Plane wreck McCrash and Train wreck Trailer Palin Failin OOOOIIIIILLLLLL Commissioners have destroyed the already dysfunctional GOP Republican Party of Corporate Welfare Thieves.

Democrats and Independents are the official parties. Blessings to America and the World for peaceful cooperation and the elimination of unjust wars for GOP profits. The People First Party has arrived and Rich Wall Street millionaires will no longer use the AMERICAN PEOPLE as their cattle. Americans today are all free independent Democratic People in pursuit of happiness in the spirit of cooperation.

“We joined up with an altruistic vision of promoting freedom and justice around the world,” said Vince Emanuel, a Marine lance corporal who did a tour of duty in Iraq from August 2004 to April 2005, explaining why he was marching and protesting the GOP Republican Convention.

“Except we saw the killing of innocent people and the destruction of property ... for a lot of us it was very disenfranchising."

The veterans group tried to hand a message to the campaign of GOP Republican John Crash Every Plane McCain calling for a withdrawal from Iraq, reparations for the Iraqi people, and full medical benefits for veterans. No one from John Crash Every Plane McCain’s campaign received them.


If FOX NEWS does not clean up it’s filthy RACIST acts of discrimination, then American and European audiences will B O Y C O T T FOX RACIST NEWS.


GOP Republican Wall Street SRO (Self Regulatory Organization) Robber Baron Supercapitalism Is Down And Will No Longer Rob the U.S. TREASURY and AMERICAN PEOPLE

Prerequisite for the United Stats President and Vice President is advance degrees, especially in Constitutional Law. McCain and hillbilly Palin Failin are excluded from the highest offices in the World. The debates will be fun: Harvard Law vs. Crash Jet and Mudville.

GOP Republican Wall Street Get Rich Quick By Robbing America TREASURY Wild Speculators Created The Enormous National Debt, So Make Them Pay For It And Balance Our Budget.
GOP Republican Wall Street Supercapitalism Speculators Have Committed Treason Against Our Country.

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What has WALL STREET SUPER-CAPITALISM brought you besides:

Cluttered homes full of useless crap

Semi-illiterate teenage sons on alcohol and drugs

Semi-illiterate teenage daughters on drugs and having unwanted babies

Selfish lifestyles mimicking immoral rich people with off the chart divorce rates

Depress people living alone and addicted to church on TV or pornography

Guns deregulation freeing children to murder each other in school and after school

Prime time television soft pornography for the kids to mimic

Daughters dressing like prostitutes

Sons dressing like homeless

GREED GREED GREED steal money from your neighbors through wild WALL STREET speculations

SELL SELL SELL BUY BUY BUY (It is all enslaving crap)

Super Rich becomes more Super Rich, while the middle class becomes poor

College graduates cannot afford a small home and must live in their parents’ basements

Clinton left the United States with a surplus

GOP Republicans have stolen all of the Treasury surplus plus another $3Trillion. Let the trials and confiscation (America versus Super Rich GOP Republican Criminals) begin

The American People will prevail over Super Rich Greedy Lawless Super Rich GOP Republicans

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HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON ANGERED BY SARAH PALIN’S REMARKS

Hillary wants to know if Palin wants to run the United States in the same manner that she and McCain ran their dysfunctional families. With the nomination of hockey mom Sarah Palin, John McCain has official transformed the defunct GOP Republican Party into a circus complete with a lipstick wearing pig clown displaying the IQ of a cockatoo. Hillary added that Sarah Palin’s pathological lies and unprofessional name calling led to the five letter word pertaining to an Arctic hillbilly (P A L I N).

Posted by: dwashington1 | October 8, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Hahaha..."that one"

The new McCain TV ad, “Dangerous,” calls Obama “dishonorable,” “dangerous” and “too risky for America.”

Hmm. I feel it is risky to place a man in the oval office with such comtempt for opponents that give him a run for his money...not to mention the fact that he overlooked willing and able-bodied women of his party (if he just had to have a woman) to choose Palin...

I dont think John McCain is a maverick. As the namesake of the term "maverick" from Texas said, he is part of the republican herd.

"THAT ONE" in 08!!!!

Posted by: Sidda | October 8, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

deerfour,

If you want to know about Obama's plan to pay for his budget, please read my post before dwashingtons 20k word rant.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 8, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

72 years of age is not old in today's standards but McCain looked and acted older than 72. He came across and a grumpy, tired OLD man well beyond his age. The presidency ages oneself. Look at Clinton when he left office. This will do the same with Obama. McCain is already looking tired. With the problems this country if facing right now he will age more rapidly. Heaven help us if he gets to the White House and doesn't fulfill his term and 'that one' Palin gets to the head spot. That we certainly do not need. We have enough hot air in DC we sure as heck don't need an airhead there too.

Posted by: Classic60 | October 8, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

dwashington please do not do that again.

Posted by: Sidda | October 8, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

McCain appeared unpresidential. He was impatient, fidgety, cranky, and crotchetey.

He would like to be seen, as the brave, honorable, wise, seasoned, experienced, leader that we need in a crisis. But not even one of these adjectives applied to him during the debate. And, the kkk style rabble raising of his running mate Sarah Palin, even divested him of his beloved "straight talk" persona.

I thought it was sad for McCain and our country.

Posted by: maddymappo | October 8, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and...isn't is WALK softly and carry a big stick? not TALK...

Posted by: Sidda | October 8, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

My father is a 77-year-old former John McCain supporter who is now voting for Obama. (Palin's selection was what set him over the edge - he called the pick "insulting to his intelligence.) He and I spoke after the debate and he said his impression was that McCain seemed like an old man focused on the 20th century, and Obama seemed focused on the 21st century. I agree with your column's assessment. McCain seemed like an angry old man. He repeated himself constantly. He also refers to Teddy Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan so often, you would think that he went to high school with both of them. Let's focus on the future - because it's here, people.

Posted by: sbernstein68 | October 8, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Yes, "That one" he said. The man has a name, Senator McCain should use Obama's name. My mother would have whacked me if I had ever been that impolite in such a forum. As someone else above said, the president of the United States needs to know how to be civil. Is this the way McCain would speak to the political leader of Spain, or is the leader of Spain, a NATO ally, so persona non grata with McCain, that McCain might call him the other one? Disrespectful and disgraceful.

VOTE DEMOCRAT IN NOVEMBER

Posted by: robertmerry | October 8, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a communist; his mentor was the late communist Frank Marshall Davis whom Obama wrote about in his book, saying he had lots of advise. Obama said in his book that he attended socialist conferences. He's messing with the minds of millions of Americans. His positions a year ago were very radical but he has changed them since he realized they would not get votes. He lies, lies, lies. Socialism will be in America soon; nationlization of businesses, the press, energy companies, and we will one day soon be a Godless nation. I do not believe that Obama is a Christian, no way in hell. He has been taught too much the other way. Kansas City even has his "Obama Youths" as seen on UTube. The media is doing a great disservice to this country by being in bed with Obama and not reporting the news, only what they want us to hear. American is going down in more ways than one. I'm so very glad I have no children.

Posted by: love234america | October 8, 2008 1:29 AM

**Don't look now friend but your Republican champions of Capitalism are taking your red states and branding a hammer and sickle on them. So long as it's Republicans doing it then you don't seem to care.

Posted by: theobserver4 | October 8, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

The John McCain I witnessed in last evenings debate was the same old grumpy, bumbling John McCain I have known him to be for years. If you noticed, the first thing he did after he was introduced was go for the note pad in an attempt to write down his "talking points" before he forgot them. He hasn't done a town hall forum "without" notes this entire election cycle. They guy is doing good if he can remember his own name without seeing it written down. On several occasions he forgot questioners names and the questions themselves. The saddest thing about all this is, John McCain really believes he is the better debater, connector, warrior, candidate, and he is none of those. John McCain is not only headed for defeat, he is headed for a humiliating defeat. I for one will be glad when it is over for him. With all due Respect to McCain, watching him struggle has become like watching an old dog die a slow death, figuratively speaking of course. You know he is going down and you know he needs to go down, but never the less, it is still hard to watch.

Posted by: ccclam | October 8, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

It did bother me that after the debate McCain wouldn't shake Obama's hand. McCain acted as if Obama had cheated.

Well Obama had cheated in a way - he had been taken to school by Hillary Clinton so many times that he knew how to punch and counter punch a weaker, older opponent. Barack learned the hard way and he got better.

The republicans short-circuited the process and the result is that the democrats are dominating in the debates.

I just hope people listen because Edwards and Kerry and Al Gore won all the debates as well. (Lieberman and Cheney were both clueless).

Posted by: agapn9 | October 8, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

McCain Failing To Dent Obama Momentum.

Political commentators last night and this morning tended to score last night's presidential debate between Sens. Barack Obama and John McCain as a draw. However, because Obama appears to have the momentum and is leading in key battleground states, the apparent stalemate is being widely cast as a win for the Democratic ticket, with the New York Times, for example, saying on its front page this morning, "There was no indication that the debate did anything to change the course of a campaign that appeared to be moving in Mr. Obama's direction." McCain "was under pressure to alter the dynamic of the race, but "there were no obvious dramatic breakthrough moments" for him.
Network and cable anchors expressed similar opinions immediately after the debate last night. On NBC, Brian Williams said, "No devastating moments, no towering moments for either candidate." On CBS, Katie Couric said, "No knockout punches, really." CBS' Bob Schieffer added, "I think...McCain was more on the attack as it were, against...Obama. ... But if he was trying to rattle...Obama tonight, I don't know he anywhere came close to doing that. ... If there was a stare-down contest, I thought...Obama won that point," but "I don't think anybody really won on substance tonight." And on ABC, Charlie Gibson saw little evidence that McCain and Obama were able to differentiate themselves on policy, saying, "At times I heard the candidates say 'these are fundamental differences between us.' I'm not sure, unless you follow policy closely, you had a sense of discerning what those fundamental differences are."
On Fox News, Brit Hume said, "McCain had the more difficult task of needing to try to make something happen. He had to make a comeback of some kind. ... The question is of course, whether he was able to do that. Listening as an observer, I did not hear one of those memorable moments." Mort Kondracke added, "I did not hear any such moment. You are right. It was up to...McCain to change the game somehow."
In print media, the assessment that Obama won the exchange because McCain didn't deliver a "knockout" blow is practically unanimous. USA Today says there were "no big flubs or knockout punches by either man, nothing that signaled the sort of 'game changer' that McCain needed." The Wall Street Journal said McCain "needs to change the trajectory of the contest" but "it didn't appear that the Republican candidate had accomplished that goal." Similarly, the Washington Post reports on its front page, "McCain was under pressure Tuesday to shake up the race with a dominating performance, but the likelihood is that, as sharp as some of the exchanges were, the contest may not change significantly as a result." The Chicago Tribune says the debate "was short on the sort of fireworks that could alter the campaign's trajectory." In an analysis piece titled "In Debate, McCain And Obama Battle Mostly To A Draw," the Los Angeles Times also says that "if McCain's principal mission was to change the course of the campaign, it was difficult to find evidence that he succeeded." The Politico says McCain "needed to move the conversation beyond the economy, but a 500-point drop Tuesday of the Dow Jones Industrial Average made it virtually impossible." The AP adds, "There are still four weeks to go, but time is running out on McCain."

Posted by: JJames081 | October 8, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Sen. John McCain clearly won last night's debate.

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008.

Posted by: hclark1 | October 8, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

"Sen. John McCain clearly won last night's debate.

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008."

I don't believe either candidate clearly won. The fact that you say it means that you are impartial to McCain for some other reason besides the actually debate.

There are no democrats that are voting for McCain. If there were, Obama would not have a 12% lead.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 8, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

If McCain had pluck enough to go on the attack with both barrels, would it have the least effect? I wonder. There is nothing, it seems, that Obama could do that would be bad enough to eliminate him from this race. The problem is, that even when the MSM does get around to filing a report like the one just aired about Ayers on CNN, it lacks outrage. You may report the facts, but if you don't suggest for people just how bad what they are watching is in todays morally neutral environment, the people who are going to vote for Obama, will not get it. You can know their cluelessness by virtue of the fact they are supporting a man so obviously unqualified to run the most powerful country on earth. The media does actually take the time to expose how tragically wrong Obama is on occasion, Like Amir Taheri's expose on Obama's attempts to delay negotiations for removing our troops from Iraq published in the New York post.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm?page=0

Or, The article by Nick Pisa for the U.K's Telegraph about the horrible conditions his brother George Obama endures in Kenya, this story was widely mentioned in America. This is a story particularly salient in light of his "I am my brothers keeper" pronouncement during his DMC convention acceptance speech. Obama's hypocrisy truly knows no bounds.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2590614/Barack-Obamas-lost-brother-found-in-Kenya.html

Again, the article by Stanley Kurtz revealing the radical nature of the work Ayers and Obama did for "education" in Illinois was published in the Wall Street Journal, and Barrack remains unscathed.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html

The simple and dreadful truth is that the people who will support this man cannot be swayed, they operate on emotion not empiricism. We saw this same phenomenon with Bill Clinton. Obama makes them feel good. The fact that he is a minority is the last ingredient needed for the liberals to win this thing, it also helps that he has charisma, a trait that was sorely lacking in Gore and Kerry, or we would have had a democrat for president 8 years ago. I must also point out the dismal fact that their are more of them than us. George W. Bush won because he said the right things at the right time and was infinitely more likable than his opponents. Bush also had a heaping helping of guts, which served him well when he had to play hard, this is a trait sorely lacking in McCain.

www.digitalpublius.com


Posted by: digitalpublius | October 8, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

After seeing McCain and Obama head to head two times now a picture is becoming clear.

Want to know why McCain has adopted Clint Eastwood’s ‘man of few words’, anti-diplomacy policy of “bomb first and ask questions later?” It’s partly because McCain doesn’t present himself well---not in a manner befitting an American President--and he knows it.

Imagine yourself a foreign leader who is called upon by Barack Obama or John McCain. In Obama’s case, you may not agree with what the man has to say, but at least he comes across as befits a dignitary of his stature. Calm, mature, self-assured, not easily rattled.

In the case of John McCain, you find yourself asking yourself, “Who IS this clown?”.

Recognition of this reality, consciously or not, is why Obama keeps winning these debates so decisively in the public’s eye despite not doing so in the view of many so-called “experts”.

Posted by: CuckooRaja | October 8, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

forgetthis - Yes there are rabid Obama supporters just as there are rabid McCain supporters (know any?). Pointing this out as if it is a valid rebuttal to any policy argument is fallacy.

You attempt to make a few minor concessions about McCain's behavior during the debate in order to conceal your bias is as transparent as McCain's allegedly suprapolitical decision to suspend his campaign to help with the bailout bill. Then he goes on the cite it continually as proof positive that he cares more about the country then getting elected and would therefore make a better president than Obama. The fact that he made that sacrifice with no intention of leveraging it politically.

Posted by: iamacyborg | October 8, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I would like to know why McCain didn't shake Obamas hand. Obama put out his hand - after McCain came up behind him putting his hand on Obama's shoulder - and McCain pointed at his wife and Obama shook her hand...

rather odd. Racist actually

Posted by: soccersusi | October 8, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Obama 2
McCain 0

The first debate was supposed to be McCains strength,Foreign Policy,Obama still won. The second debate was McCain best format,Obama still won.
Face it mac supporters,you lost.

One question for you:
If the surge worked,Why aren't our troops home?

Posted by: jime2000 | October 8, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I agree with you Mr. Myerson. I think most of us understand McCain's physical limitations and overlook that since its entirely out of his control. However, his frame of reference was terribly old. It's as if he was quoting a dated Bob Hope monologue. Herbert Hoover? Tip O'Neill? I was waiting to hear him talk about Jolson's new talking movie. He strikes me as out of touch with current times. I don't want him dropping names of rappers, but I'd like to think he's at least heard of Madonna or, heck, Paul McCartney.

Posted by: jaynashvil | October 8, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Obama is God of the universe.
I want to give Obama all of my money.
I will forsake family and do whatever Obama asks of me.

(I bet the WaPo won't feel the need to hold this entry until later. This election is screwed up.)

Droids, start practicing now:

Obama is God of the...

Posted by: forgetthis | October 8, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

"I would like to know why McCain didn't shake Obamas hand. Obama put out his hand - after McCain came up behind him putting his hand on Obama's shoulder - and McCain pointed at his wife and Obama shook her hand...

rather odd. Racist actually"

I am all for Obama, but this is silly. If you can not hear what they are talking about, then we will never know what happened.

As far as I am concerned, there was a miscommunicationg and that is why they didn't shake hands. I don't like McCain, but I refuse to beleive that he doesn't have enough honor to shake a man's hand.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 8, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

AM I MISSING SOMETHING?
(please stop with the brain jokes)

Doesn't McCain preach over and over and over and over and .. over and over about NOT SPENDING?

Then he says to buy all those bad mortgages ($$Billion$$) and to bail out the homeowners whose home prices have dropped below the value of the home....

ISN'T THAT SPENDING? ISN'T THAT SORT OF WELFARE?

They should have not bought something that they cannot afford.

Ever have a car repo'd for non-payment?
Same thing.

McCain is using a gimmick to get some headlines...

Posted by: kkrimmer | October 8, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I don't like McCain, but I refuse to beleive that he doesn't have enough honor to shake a man's hand.

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Then WHY didn't he? He looked right at Obama & his out-stretched hand. Out of respect for someone, you shake their hand. McCain did see it...

Posted by: soccersusi | October 8, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm a middle aged, middle class woman. John McCain came off last night like a tired, old, desperate man. Someone who knows his last chance at becoming president is slipping from his fingers. Barack Obama, on the other hand, was energized and energizing. McCain over used "my friends" and "I know how to fix it" even more so than Sarah Palin overused "maverick" last week. There's a lot broken in this country. Despite McCain's decades of experience in government, and despite his service to this country, he is not what we need to turn this ship around. We are all tired of the same promises, the same plans, the same spin. You can't keep doing the same things but expecting different results. It's time for a real change. I am encouraged by Obama's positive outlook, and his ability to bring a fresh pespective and talent to help us solve so many issues.

Posted by: botterd | October 8, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Well said kkrimmer!!!!!!!!!!!!

McCain = Spend, Spend, Spend!

Posted by: soccersusi | October 8, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

"Then WHY didn't he? He looked right at Obama & his out-stretched hand. Out of respect for someone, you shake their hand. McCain did see it..."


I beleive that McCain was tired and his vision was blurry before I beleive he refused to shake his hand.

Unless of course McCain has tricked himself into thinking Obama is a terrorist. In that case, McCain will probably not sit in the Senate for much longer.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 8, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Yes there are rabid Obama supporters just as there are rabid McCain supporters (know any?). Pointing this out as if it is a valid rebuttal to any policy argument is fallacy.- iamacyborg

Your post never discussed any "policy argument". It was all about whether or not McCain could remember what he was supposed to say. So obviously he's senile, right? That sounds like policy to you? At least once McCain remembered (or was reminded of) the question, he answered it, unlike Obama who completely ignored the topic of entitlement programs when asked.

Posted by: forgetthis | October 8, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

The scariest moment for me happened AFTER the debate. I was watching CNN's focus group of 25 people. After dialing up Obama and FLAT LINING McCain - when asked :"If you had to vote today - Who would you vote for?" 14 of the 25 said McCain. Racism and the Bradley Effect is in play. I am terrified of the Klansmen in the Kitchen.

Posted by: CTDem | October 8, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Thank you "southbuffaloonline." It was a scary article.

More enlightening about the man McCain is the book "Nightingale Song" which was published a quite a while ago. It follows a number of cadets in the same class at the Naval Academy that included: McCain, Poindexter, Ollie North, James Webb et. al. Give some interesting insights into the "maverick."

Posted by: Clamm21 | October 8, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

McCain isn't old because of his age; he was an old man when he went to Vietnam to fight the Japanese.

Reagan's great failure was failure to control the budget; he offered unrealistic promises that tax cuts would somehow generate growth, but when government sucks finance out of capital markets with its borrowing, that capital isn't available to promote the entrepreneurship and consumer spending that Republicans claim to want. Bush Sr. and especially Bush Jr. have repeated Reagan's great mistake, and McCain continues to repeat the failed slogans that led directly to the current economic crisis.

McCain also fails to acknowledge the relationship between defense spending, government spending, and prosperity. The amount that is being demanded of taxpayers is comparable to the cost of the unjustifiable Iraq war; governments have taken money from consumers in the form of borrowing, forcing lenders to adopt higher interest rates, and when those became unaffordable, lenders used tricks to sell loans to homeowners, not caring about the consequences (of non-repayment) because the mortgages were "securitized" thanks to deregulation. If McCain can't acknowledge the cause of the economic crisis, he can't offer a credible solution.

Obama may have a short resume; I don't think he was the best candidate among the Democrats. However, Obama did establish himself as an original, creative thinker in the Senate in only a few years. This is one of the primary roles of a United States Senator and it's a function where McCain failed to distinguish himself in a quarter-century.

Posted by: lartfromabove | October 8, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

He even had psychic aliens get him the questions before hand!

http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/election-08/mccain-uses-aliens-to-get-town-hall-questions/

Posted by: jpmdevildog | October 8, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Fly66--as has been said by others here, I have seen that canned statement, word for word, in a number of spams. If you are going to attack Obama, at least try an original thought!

Posted by: TJO73 | October 8, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Well, my friend, I'm just sad that McCain did NOT say his trademark line:

I yam wut I yam, and that's a sailor man!

And, doggone it, he didn't whip out a can of spinach and whip Obama's @$$.

Although he did reminisce with the Navy dude, I could tell he really wanted to do his Popeye routine.

My friend, dontcha know, wink wink goes the barfly. Real sailor stuff there - you betcha.

Posted by: McCainIsPopeye | October 8, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Meyerson, what about McCain's "that one" remark? If anybody still imagined McCain could win the election, I thought that remark alone was low enough to sink McCain's boat for good.

Posted by: binkynh | October 8, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Drop McCain for Huckabee???!!! Huckabee has got a history of ethical problems (see judicialwatch.org 's list of TOP TEN MOST CORRUPT POLITICIANS of 2007) and is a gaffe disaster just waiting to happen. Google huckabee obama gun. You will get ONE MILLION HITS, some from very ticked off people!

Palin is unqualified for the highest job(s) in the land. And many people are switching over to Obama after viewing this:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQobIUE1zTU

Posted by: Shelbysez | October 8, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

RE:
The Town Hall Debate: Old John
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Montreal, CANADA, October 4, 2008

TO THE NEXT UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NEW PRESIDENT:

SIR:


"MAY I CALL YOU "O" ?"

Because of MAIN STREET!

Because of WALL STREET!

Because of the final electoral sprint - ending soon next coming november 2008 - while THE WHOLE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA has its eyes on YOU.

Everyone expects You to be democratically elected and see that something happen in America.

In March 1983, one of humanity's most famous spokesmen, Pope John Paul II, came to our country - 'Haîti' - and loudly proclaimed what each and every one of us had been whispering:

'Something must change here.'

Today, more than ever, a lot of people of The United States of America stand up, longing for something and working to make something happen.

"Go thou America ahead and show us thy true countenance in a positive light.' It is up to everyone to play his or her part in order to let thee regain thy mark of excellence !"

With this letter, I am communicating with You, SIR, and with the whole people of The United States of America.

You offer this country what it takes to be a 'Wonderfull Land.' Yes, let us say 'with a great people living and working together.'

Go thou, America, go ahead, following in the footsteps of one of thy sons who is now becoming one of thy statesmen.

With this in mind, to whom else could I entrust this letter sent to his Holiness Pope John Paul II when he set foot on Haitian soil for the first time, as well as its acknowledgment by the Vatican?

That letter to Pope John Paul II is intended to draw attention to the problem posed by anti-Black discrimination and its negative repercussions on the advancement of scientific progress in the West, and more precisely in the realm of Optics.

In the Western world, according to Newton's widely accepted theory, white is considered to be the synthesis of all colors. Actually, the opposite is true. White constitutes the analysis or 'visible' decoding of light or color, whereas black is its synthesis or 'invisible' composition.

In other words, darkness or blackness and, we might add, "Black Holes'" - a scientific misnomer designating invisible stars or 'Black Suns' - are a source of energy and light. Scientifically, Industrially and Economically speaking, what an asset !

That basic raw material of light energy culminates, in its most radiant form, in the neutralization of all the colors of the spectrum in the form of usually called "white light."

Therefore "absolute blackness", the absorption of all the colors, is a divisible component of light. Needless to say, Newton's theory gives only a partial interpretation of the notion of light, by excluding black. Our contribution aims at demonstrating that the black color is not only an integral part of the color process, but its true synthesis. Light is therefore shown to be a divisible whole comprising an intensity or color scale in which black is the invisible or 'absorbed' form of the energy in question.

Allow me, SIR, in order to support my statement concerning Black Holes and radiation, to pose a question asked by Hubert Reeves, Doctor of nuclear astrophysics and Scientific Consultant to NASA:

"What would have become of the Sun, if it were plunged into a high temperature radiance like the one that existed at the beginning of the Universe? [our translation]"

"Instead of emitting light, it would absorb it and, in the end, it would be completely reabsorbed into the cosmic fluid."

The cosmic fluid is what, due to an "optical mistake", is called "darkness" or the "blackness of Space". We are talking about the electromagnetic flux, that immeasurable ocean in which the planets and stars are bathed, like the sea which links all the continents together. Darkness is thus "The Sea of Space."

"What would have happened if, instead of an ordinary star like the "White Sun", a Black Hole or "Black Sun" were injected into that primordial radiation?"

"According to Einsteinian Physics, a Black Hole is a place where gravity is so formidably intense that nothing can escape it, not even visible light. Such a hole should suck in and absorb radiation and increase its own mass: E=MC2, always."

"But after Einstein came Bohr, Heisenberg, and Quantum Physic. From then on, nothing was the same as before."

"The Einsteinian version of the Black Hole is equivalent to a statement that the matter inside the Black Hole is definitely there to stay, in that volume of space. Let us quote Hubert Reeves: "Such an absolute statement is thus contrary to the "Quantum spirit", affirming that nothing is definitely localized in one place. There is always a probability of escape. If the enclosing wall is too high, a tunnel will be dug; if the prisoners are patient, they will escape. One has only to wait." [our translation]

"According to that principle, Black Holes "evaporate". Matter constantly escapes as radiation. Black Holes "shine!" Their surfaces behave like those of any body heated to a certain temperature and that radiation endlessly feeds that marvelous "Cosmic Fluid" which, wrongly and in bad faith, people keep calling "Darkness."

Nigra sum "sed" formosa!

Yes, but should we not say instead, I am black "and" comely?

Darkness, which is both source and vehicle of light, does not have to defend itself for being the beautiful and infinitely discreet raw material of the Universe. Darkness is the "Mother of the Universe."

Also, beautiful and discreet art thou, Haiti. Discreet, yes, but never outshone! Just like the Black Virgin who inspires and sheds her love on thee from the hilltop and even beyond Cité Soleil (Sun City).

Our purpose was to offer a more constructive approach aiming at correcting the abusive traditional, so-called scientific, theories of Optics.

It’s like to say that in the exceptional circumstances in which we live today - in the point of view of FINANCE and ENERGY - no exploration in the mid or long term, by the american expertise , of an additional source of energy, at the same time safe and economically profitable, should not be ruled out.

That is why, we wrote to that authentic witness to the signs of this age, His Holiness Pope John Paul II, the prophet of the new era.

Congratulations to You, Sir, and congratulations to the PEOPLE of The United States Of America - for having made it possible for this day of November to come - to mark the beginning of a "New Era of Hope !"

Lucien Bonnet

PLease, SEE :
LETTER TO POPE JOHN-PAUL II
in 'BILL A RI AND THERE WAS LIGHT !
http://www.contact-canadahaiti.ca

Posted by: loubonnetdH6RcDzx | October 8, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

McCain = tired, cranky, old
Palin = dumb, stanky, young

That leaves Obama-Biden. QED

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | October 8, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

manolete wrote:"We know John McCain won the debate showing his mastery of foreign affairs issues and a mature and firm mind when it comes to presidential decision."

--------------------------------------------Ha ha ha....LOL... :-)

Obama 08

Posted by: MUPPET | October 8, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

>Obama is a communist;

Obama isn’t any more a communist than your preposterous allegation making an ounce of sense.

One thing is true though – you’re a blind sheep.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 8, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Love234america wrote:

American is going down in more ways than one. I'm so very glad I have no children.

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I for one am also glad you didn't have any children, Love234. All of that inbreeding within your family must have really contaminated the genetic gene pool.

Game over, people. Checkmate. Introducing the next President of the United States, Barack Obama.

Posted by: owiz | October 8, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I agree with this analysis. McCain AKA McBush looked old, stagnant, and unfit for the job. And that was just his physical appearance! His mannerisms, his poor taste in humor, his dismissiveness, his inability to relate to a younger audience and 21st century issues all make him look like the old fuddy duddy who wants to bring back the good old days. You know, McBush may not like it but a huge portion of those voting this year are young people who either (1) don't even know/remember who Ronald Reagan is or (2) were raised as poor or middle class in the era of Reaganomics and still hold a lot of resentment for it.

America wants to go forward - not backwards. Go Obama!

Posted by: BrandyHemlock | October 8, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

"Say Anything McCain" is at it again. So who and what will he be tomorrow? A Conservative? A Democrat? A Populist? A Maverick? Or maybe just aptly, Bozo The Clown?

It begs the question, "Who is the real John McCain"?

McCain is too frantic, jittery and erratic. Too reckless and political. He make me feel very uneasy.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 8, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Personally I don't think McCain's age would matter much if he had the right ideas and was able to express them.

He's based his argument on being experienced which is a great starting point. The problem is he either can't explain or doesn't have a clue as to where he would take the country beyond his being "experienced" certainly not to the extend that Obama does. Right or wrong Obama is pretty clear about what direction he's walking.

If you can't be clear on your direction then the assumption is you have no direction or you're hiding something. I don't believe either of these things are true, I think McCain does know what he wants to do but either can't express it or believes that not enough people will buy what he's selling. His constant focus on "the Surge" is a good example of something that is important to him but not most Americans who feel we should have never been there in the first place.

Choosing Palin could have help. She's done a good job of bringing attention to McCain but without any concrete plans once the spotlight was on McCain he lost what momentum she generated.

Beyond that Palin may be a good governor for Alaska but I'm not sure how her view of the world translates around the rest of the country which makes it hard to see her has the President which is likely and the only reason that McCain's age should come into play.

Posted by: redleaf2k | October 8, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I am not a socialist by any means - I owned my own (computer software and architectural firm), but there are key fundamentals that has made this country great.

The first president who set us on a path of greatness in the modern age was TR (Theodore Roosevelt) who worked hard against cronyism and trust busting. He also had during his time unions on the rise, which he did not oppose. Note: TR was a Republican.

The second president who set us on a path of greatness in the modern age was FDR (Franklin D. Roosevelt) his cousin. He came into the presidency because the Republicans went against TR's agenda and brought this country to the brink by given the cronyism back to an upper class and create a trickle down economic plan. FDR changed that with various work programs to bring back the middle class.

Neither president spoken of were socialists, they both believed in a free market, but they both believed that a strong middle class was required for the country to prosper.

Otherwise, we become a European aristocracy of the haves and have nots. That is the main difference that is surely underreported in the media.

Posted by: jrubin1 | October 8, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

"Old Meyerson,...I think what you mean is "Old and Wise John McCain", as opposed to the "Young and Inexperience" radical Muslim Barack Hussein.

We know John McCain won the debate showing his mastery of foreign affairs issues and a mature and firm mind when it comes to presidential decision.

Meyerson as well as the sexist, misogynyst media is foaming at the mouth, knowing that John McCain and Sarah Palin are beginning to take Obama's clothes and exposing him for what he really is: a radical extremist young, pompous and naive individual.

Country First!
Americans for John McCain!

Posted by: Manolete"

As I waded through the ESL ravings of your post, I couldn't help but feel sad that the McCain campaign has run into such rough economic straights that it has to outsource its Keyboard Warrior efforts to non-English-speaking countries.

Posted by: irae | October 8, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

It's over Johnny.

Posted by: DonJulio | October 8, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Remember when the concern was Biden appearing too rough and domineering in his debate with the snowbilly? Now, Obama is going to have to be careful that he doesn't come across as taking advantage of a senile old codger in his next debate.

Posted by: rjheitman | October 8, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

As an Obama supporter, let me say this nonsense of over McCain's 'that one' remark is wildly overblown.

Look at the text of the debate, he was rhetorically asking the question, "you wouldn't believe which one [meaning Senator] voted for the bill and against it. 'That one'" he meant THAT SENATOR.

Now, unfortunately for McCain it has bad racial/demeaning connotations as well and so he's being crucified for it. If McCain hadn't been completely misrepresenting Obama's quotes throughout the campaign I might feel sorry for him...but no dice. Live by the smear, die by it.

Good riddance McCain.

Posted by: rpixley220 | October 8, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Please correct your often stated errors:

1---John McCain was a Fighter Pilot.
Fact: John McCain was a Bomber Pilot.
2---John McCains limbs were broken while he was a POW.
Fact: John McCain broke his shoulder and limbs as a result of bailing out and hitting the ground.

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

As an Obama supporter, let me say this nonsense of over McCain's 'that one' remark is wildly overblown.

Look at the text of the debate, he was rhetorically asking the question, "you wouldn't believe which one [meaning Senator] voted for the bill and against it. 'That one'" he meant THAT SENATOR.
___________________________

Look "OBAMA SUPPORTER", he said "THAT ONE". What was in his brain at the moment no one knows!

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

youarestillidiots has a very good point. I think Obama could have put a nail in the coffin by explaining that when he doesn't know something, he will not only work to figure it out, but invite alternate solutions to the problem.

This is a little off the beaten path, but goes to the point of all of this fake anti-intellectualism. - I'm not a Reagan fan by any means, but he would always tell the American people that he would convene experts in whatever field to help solve the problems he was not an expert on. So-called conservatives seem to forget that about him. When he launched the Star Wars initiative he wasn't trying to enlist "Joe Six-pack" to help solve the problem. He wasn't anti-intellectual or constantly playing down to the lowest level like his heirs do now.

I mean, does anyone remember Bush Sr. eating pork rinds, pitching horse shoes and drinking Lonestar beer when he ran against Dukakis? I never thought he'd get away with that, but he did. Can you imagine him with a pork rind in his mouth now?

Reagan just had the ability to convey his point to his audience, whoever that may be without talking down to people.

Posted by: horace_simon1 | October 8, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Ask youself this question: Would I want John McCain or Sarah Palin tutoring my children?

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm so very glad I have no children.

Posted by: love234america | October 8, 2008 1:29 AM

LOL, we are glad ignorant racist old farts like you don't have any children! People like you are to stupid to be allowed to breed.

Posted by: svreaderisahomo | October 8, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama is winning because John McCain is the mean-spirited voice of an ideologically bankrupt party. We are coming to a point where promising tax cuts for rich people and less government oversight is getting exposed as the morally bankrupt lie it has been all along.

Posted by: davidscott1 | October 8, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama is winning partly because John McCain is the old, mean-spirited voice of an ideologically bankrupt party. We are coming to a point where promising tax cuts for rich people and less government oversight is getting exposed as the morally bankrupt lie it has been all along.

Posted by: davidscott1 | October 8, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I fail to understand why the RW nutjobs don't realize how utterly ignorant, clueless, stupid, moronic, classless, REDNECK YAHOO they sound when they talk up

Barack HUSSEIN OHMYGOD I'M WETTING MY PANTS IN TERROR BECAUSE HIS LAST NAME IS THAT SAME AS WHOSIS Obama.

After all, we do have

Ted "Bundy" Haggard
Richard "The Third" Cheney
Joe "Stalin" Lieberman
Larry "Flynt" Craig
Ted "Kaczinski" Stevens

John "my last name means 'son of the guy who killed his only brother for spite'" McCAIN.

..

Posted by: bracken1 | October 8, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Meyerson. Please help me out on this. I understand that McCain broke his arms when he ejected from this plane because he did not hold his arms tightly to this sides as is recommended. That they were not broken while in the POW camp. Any truth to that?

mickster

Posted by: mickster1 | October 8, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I think I’ve actually come up with an angle and comment that no one else seems to have raised in this campaign. I’m not just trying to plug my blog (though I am also doing that), I really think this point needs to get out there.
Please check it out and pass it along:

http://23-7.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-friends-stinking-corpses.html

Thanks!

Posted by: levison | October 8, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

It's not just Obama, I get the impression there are a lot of people McCain doesn't like. Particularly people who don't agree with him.

Posted by: rj2z | October 8, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

The only direction the Republicans have left, at least if they want to keep on using those mailing lists they collected under Rove's management, is Christian populism. The problem for them is that too many of their "Christian" base have already drunk the koolaid of Reagan free-market anti-government mythology and wouldn't understand it even if Huckabee sermonized about it for a year...

Posted by: razzl | October 8, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Stick a fork in McCain, and a stake thru Palins heart. They're cooked.


Hey Sean, Rush:
Obama 08, baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jfern03 | October 8, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

For the LIFE of me I don't get John McCain's strategy and may he doesn’t either. I’m NOT a McCain supporter but I do like a good competitive joust. He ATTACKS then retreats; he plays the “I AM THE TOUGH” senior Senator then he stands behind his chair (debate last night) and holds his head down while Senator Obama tongue lashes him.

An UNDECIDED, YOUNG, AFRICAN AMERICAN voter asked Senator McCain "How does this Bailout Effect Me"...Senator McCain responds "You might know what Freddie Mac and Fannie Is"...let me explain....SO CONDENSENDING...SO INSULTING… not just to him bur EVERY voter in his age group. That was a BIG mistake by Senator McCain. Senator McCain is OBVIOUSLY giving up on any game plan he EVER THOUGHT HE HAD. He’s showing those TRUE signs of being ERRATIC as the Obama campaign suggests. Senator McCain is PANICKING… If this was a HEAVY weight prize fight I think Senator McCain would pull a Mike Tyson and bite off Senator Obama’s ear because in his PANIC MODE he rather be DISQUALIFIED than LOSE!

Senator Barack Obama is the ONLY logical, rational, realistic choice!

Posted by: JLP4 | October 8, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

The idea that townhalls are good for McCain is a crock. Only small groups of his own supporters are good for him. Even in the primaries, larger rooms remained half empty when he spoke. Last night, his "jokes" fell flat, his old tricks failed him, and he got progressively madder and madder, insulting Obama. At the end he was so mad, he didn't even shake the hands of the audience as he normally does in his All-Republican townhalls.

Posted by: dunnhaupt | October 8, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

The idea that townhalls are good for McCain is a crock. Only small groups of his own supporters are good for him. Even in the primaries, larger rooms remained half empty when he spoke. Last night, his "jokes" fell flat, his old tricks failed him, and he got progressively madder and madder, insulting Obama. At the end he was so mad, he didn't even shake the hands of the audience as he normally does in his All-Republican townhalls.

Posted by: dunnhaupt | October 8, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

It is indeed unseemly when an old man loses all sense of honesty and integrity in his pursuit of power: "Speaking in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, Bill Platt, the GOP chair of Lehigh County, twice referred to 'Barack Hussein Obama'" minutes before John McCain and Sarah Palin were set to take the stage." You would think that, so close to the endpoint of your life, you would like to hold on to some dignity.

Posted by: motherforobama | October 8, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

You should watch this! McCain addresses American people as "fellow prisoners"!
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/My_fellow_who.html#comments

Posted by: motherforobama | October 8, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

America Stunned: Hi-Def Really Makes This Guy Look Old

http://slagmag-theblog.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Ryan_D | October 8, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I agree completely: the main impression I got from watching the debate was that Senator McCain is too old for the job. He does not have the vigor or the focus. In fact I felt sorry for him, he should have been the candidate in 2000. But feeling sorry for him is not worth a vote.

Posted by: gposner | October 8, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Sorry but Obama neither speaks FOR me or TO me!! When his mouth is moving all I hear is BLAH BLAH BLAH!!! I wouldn't vote for that man if he were the last human being on earth!!

Posted by: OhioIndependant | October 8, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is unable to hide and control his dislike for Barack Obama.

Well that makes two of us!!

Posted by: OhioIndependant | October 8, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I am a Democrat but will be voting for McCain. If Obama's supporters are like the ones on this blog who use bad language and show no respect for a 72 years old POW, he doesn't get my vote. Besides, McCain has a record and Sarah reminds me of Esther.

Posted by: voice2 | October 8, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

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THAT ONE for president!

I won't even blink nor wink.

Color-blind is contagious and advantageous in this case.
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Posted by: ElMugroso | October 8, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

It is all over unless the Blazing Saddles vote comes out in massive numbers--maybe the Republicans can offer a free 12 pack to every voter.

Posted by: rusty3 | October 8, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

McCain looks older than he is

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You are such a boob.

FDR WON 4 elections for President and he was totally wheelchair bound and had not power in his hips and legs.

Give it a rest. Obama is a person without character, strength or the desire to SERVE the public.

He is after the title and NOTHING ELSE.

McCain and then Hillary in 2012

Remember this will be a Democratic year in the Congress.... Support good Democrats for Congress and vote McCain, he will do OK.

Posted by: celested9 | October 8, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama knows what a presidential debate actually is: an audition for the job of President before the entire nation. He conducts himself with that always in mind.

John McCain seems to have little or no notion of this.

Posted by: careysub | October 8, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

HEY, YOU KID... YOU, THAT ONE... GET OFF MY LAWN!!!! EHHHHH!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r8hhShMyZw&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/

This is the funniest thing I've seen in a VERY long time.

Posted by: ehperkins1971 | October 8, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

So voice2 is voting for Sarah Palin because she reminds him of Esther. Now that's the way to cast your vote for the highest office in our nation. And celested9 won't vote for Obama because he is capable of walking on two feet.

Republican = Moron...

Posted by: jerkhoff | October 8, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

"I believe it is time to portray to the entire nation the man, with all the magic of his personality, all the mysterious genius and irresistible power of his personality. There is probably no one left on the planet who does not know him as a statesman and as a remarkable popular leader. Only a few, however, have the pleasure of seeing him as a man each day from close up, to experience him, and as I might add, to come as a result to a deeper understanding and love for him. These few wonder how it is possible that a man who only three years ago was opposed by half of the nation stands today above any doubt and every criticism. OUR NATION has found a unity which will never be shaken. HE is the man of fate, who has the calling to save the nation from terrible internal conflict and shameful foreign disgrace, to lead it to longed-for freedom.

That one man has captured the hearts of the whole nation, despite the sometimes difficult and unpopular decisions he had to make, is perhaps the deepest, most amazing secret of our age. It cannot be explained only by his accomplishments, for it is just those who have had to make the heaviest sacrifices for him and for national reconstruction, indeed who must still bring them, who have sensed his mission in the deepest and most joyful way. They are the ones who have the most honest and passionate love for him as LEADER and as a man. That is the result of the magic of his personality and the deep mystery of his pure and honest humanity" JOSEPH GOEBELLS ON ADOPLH HITLER'S
BIRTHDAY. THE WHITE HOUSE, THE CONGRESS AND THE SUPREME COURT ALL UNDER THE DIRECTION OF ONE MAN-

Posted by: mharwick | October 8, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

polderman:

"a good ol' christian name like john?" your bigotry is exactly what's wrong with the religious right and ultra-conservatives that are brainwashing americans everywhere. when on earth did we start judging someone's credentials on their names?

and, well, by golly, i never knew that every person with a muslim middle name was an extremist and every person with a "normal, christian" name was fit to lead a country. hadn't you heard that extreme fundamentalism originated in christianity? well, then, we could all be extremists!
i truly hope those who are informed cancel out people like you who vote on nov. 4.

Posted by: willi6jl | October 8, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

willi6jl: Wow, is it a trend among Obama supporters to pick out a single phrase and draw baseless and downright ridiculous conclusions off of it? First the "that one" comment which made sense in context and now you ignore my entire point and focus on a joke I made at the end. I'm an Athiest, I'm not gonna vote for John McCain because he has a christian name or because Obama takes it roots in whatever.

And now you see me targeting him as an extremist? What, because his name is the same as a sole dictator's? It was a simple sarcastic remark, to ignore the rest of my post is just more ignorance.

It seems you are the uninformed one we should be worrying about if you cast every Republican as a religious biggot.

And don't worry, my vote will be cancelled out come November. I live in Illinois, where Obama's promises since he became a State Senator are still unfulfilled yet his media-driven cult following will still flock to vote for him. You have no idea how many of my fellow university students base their vote for Obama simply because he's a good speaker or he's attractive. These same people have no idea about his policies, but since it's become popular to vote for Obama...that what they'll do.

Voting for Obama has become like watching MTV, and you claim the uninformed support McCain? Look to your own base first.

Posted by: polderman | October 8, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

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Lets ask Obama! the divine one will know what to do... but we could watch his powerful mind at work...

Obama...moisten finger stick in wind, ask Axelrod which side dried first, read from teleprompter Axelrod's finger drying divination, then speak...

what an empty suit!
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Posted by: StarsAndStripesForever | October 8, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

McCain looks, acts and thinks like an old man. I know people in their 80s who act younger. He's just too old to be President, it's a killer job, even dumb Dubya has aged in the past 8 years. Just think what even 4 years would do for McCain.

Posted by: laSerenissima2003 | October 8, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Andy Martin's next press release: John McCain is a secret RACIST!

Posted by: Beka13 | October 8, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Didnt Madonna change her Name to Esther?

Posted by: Beka13 | October 8, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations, pdx-er
McCain was so "white" and "bald". Now that's a reason not to vote for him, for sure. Few things are worse than being "white" and/or "bald".

Posted by: tntaxpayer | October 8, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

forgetthis - "All of them" was plainly a cop-out answer which told the American people nothing. Clearly; some kind of indication of priority if not serialization would be helpful to voters.

I never said McCain is senile; you are attacking a position that was never stated. I'm sure if he took the whole test he would pass. My point was that it is part of the testing criteria for a reason.

If McCain is beginning the process of losing his mental acuity; that will affect his ability to draft effective policies and to lead this country in a time of economic distress.

Posted by: iamacyborg | October 8, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

McCain's limbs weren't broken as a POW. They were broken when he ejected from his aircraft. According to McCain [in his book] he detected that his aircraft was targeted and he could have rolled out to avoid the missile, but decided to take the chance and take the hit.

Maybe it was some Navy macho thing. Even when McCain explains it, he sounds stupid. It's not that McCain doesn't know how to make up stories. One of the aircraft he lost the Navy says was due to pilot error; McCain's memory is different. He says it was an engine failure. Which makes a much better story.

Posted by: James10 | October 9, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

McCain tottering around certainly did not inspire confidence that he will live long enough to save us from a Palin presidency. And she would be an absolute disaster.

Posted by: SuzyQ847 | October 9, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I am a liberal and a democrat. But, I want the president of my country to be selected based on merits, and not by an overwhelming bias, and propaganda. I don't understand why the media (almost all of them) and liberal-leaning papers like WP, NY Times, LA Times, Boston Globe, etc jump all over, when William Ayers or Tony Rezko's connections with Barack Obama is discussed. After all, if Obama does not have anything to worry, is it not welcome that this thing comes out in the open. Should Obama be protected from any criticism? Didn't the media push us into the Iraq War? They failed us once, and fail us again. In 2000 election, it was painful for me to see the media glowing over Bush as the savior of White House's "integrity" and "morality". We know what we got. Now, it is the media's turn to brainwash everyone into believing Obama has done nothing wrong, and will do none. Please don't push your agenda on us. If there is a story about Obama and Ayers, investigate it, explain it. Don't attack those who bring it in the open. In fact, before Palin talked about it or Clinton brought it, the media should have done that. We don't believe in Hannity. We want YOU to do it for us. Ask Obama why he associated with Ayers, Wright, and Rezko so long and in so much depth. Let the world know what he has to say. Don't push Obama into the White House. Let him earn it. We deserve that, and you (the news media) need to earn that respect, by asking tough questions to Obama too. Don't be a propaganda machine for any party or any candidate. The reason I am a Democrat is because of the dislike I have for right-wing loud mouths. We don't need left-wing cover-up machines. If you believe Obama is good, he'll come out clean. BUT DON'T COVER IT UP.

Posted by: ronniesmith123 | October 10, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

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