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The Town Hall Debate: This Is American?

A couple of points on Tuesday’s debate.

When the candidates were asked whom they might appoint as Treasury secretary, Obama dodged the question -- as one might expect. But McCain straight-talked it, which turned out to be a big mistake. His first answer, Warren Buffett, conveyed the right general idea but no grasp of reality. Yes, Buffett has the power to inspire market confidence; but he does that better by investing his own money (as he has done recently) than by investing the government’s. The second name McCain threw out was even more troubling. Meg Whitman, the former CEO of eBay? Doesn’t McCain know there is a difference between succeeding in Silicon Valley and figuring out how to unfreeze credit markets? Before running eBay, Whitman worked at Hasbro, where, according to Fast Company, she managed the Playskool brand and Mr. Potato Head.

The candidates were also asked to say which issue they would tackle with most urgency: health care, energy policy or entitlement reform. Obama’s answer suggested that entitlement reform would come at the bottom of his list, and given the budget strains that the government now faces, this was not encouraging. But McCain’s response was downright curious. “My friends, some of this $700 billion ends up in the hands of terrorist organizations,” he said, in an out-of-left-field reference to the Paulson bank bailout plan. But what really got me was when McCain answered that he’d prioritize everything, saying “all of these things we can do as Americans.”

I don’t really intend to pick on McCain here, since most politicians succumb to this Americans-can-do-everything trope. But the truth is that the United States is a great nation because its businesses are good at not doing everything: They close down units that aren’t succeeding in order to focus on what they do best. American business productivity grew faster than that of foreign rivals during the 1990s thanks to constant and ruthless prioritization. If only Whitman would tell McCain that.

By Sebastian Mallaby  | October 8, 2008; 6:36 PM ET
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Wasn't McCain referring to how much of Americans' money ends up in the coffers of Middle East countries who sell us their oil but don't have our best interests in mind? I'm no McCain fan, but I think you misinterpreted his "$700 billion" comment.

Posted by: Heron | October 8, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

I believe McCain’s reference to the $700 billion isn't linked to Paulson's plan, but rather is a reference to the figure T. Boone Pickens has been floating in his recent ads. This is estimated to be the amount that Americans are spending on imported foreign oil. That insight might make McCain's comments more understandable given the popular belief that some of the money from foreign oil ends up making it's way to terrorists. But it certainly doesn't excuse McCain from the need to explain to his audience what he's talking about.

Posted by: ScottKC | October 8, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

ScottKC is correct that the figure referenced by McCain was to imported oil. However, since when are Canada and Mexico terrorists? (the two countries we import the most oil from) Also, that $700 billion is an enormous overestimate, it's closer to $500 billion (in total).

Posted by: joggle | October 8, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/that-one.html

Tuesday, October 07, 2008

"That One"

What a very odd thing for McCain to say.

McCain repeatedly invoked the need for a "steady hand on the tiller" tonight--for someone who will be calm and cool in the crises that the upcoming years will present us.

Yet this is a man who is utterly unable to contain his contempt--even on a night when, even as Bill Bennett says, he needed to "break through", and even when such a strange expression of disdain could only highlight pettiness, anger and partisanship that voters wish that candidates would steer away from in the greater interest of the nation.

McCain's fundamental position--one from which he finds his momentum and meaning--is so often one of a contemptuous anger for those who do not understand what he believes he has learned--e.g., "them".

This is the impulsive, gut-driven, black and white thinking that we have seen throughout the campaign.

We have had 8 years of a President driven by impulsive, black and white, gut-driven, categorical thinking. In those 8 years, from a position that manifested from the very start an angry, assumed knowledge, and a contempt for the position of others, we have now seen the results.

So this time: choose that one.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/that-one.html

Posted by: caraprado1 | October 8, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

There was a time, not very long ago, when I felt Sen. McCain got screwed out of the Reb nomination back in 00. They picked a wank they could manipulate...so we got "W". Never mind the legalized theft of Gore's win, I didn't vote for "that" (w), any sooner than I would have voted for Reagan. Never the less, I voted for Ford, and would again. Can't find a soul who'll admit they voted for Carter. Uh, human nature. McCain "was" the man in 2000. He clearly isn't now. Once again I'm voting a "No Confidence" Love Live Nadar. I used to have faith in the "Republic", but I'm tired of getting peed on.

Posted by: bluemonday | October 8, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Clearly you just don't get it.

Mr. Potato Head would be an intellectual in the Know Nothing Party.

In the 1960's JFK reached out to the best and brightest in academia and the business world to join his cabinet.

In 2008, Honest John and Sister Sarah will similarly reach outside of the Beltway. I can see it now David Duke, Jim Dobson, Pat Robertson. The sort of folks who will bring us squarely into the 11th Century.

Posted by: R49Thomas | October 8, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

"If only Whitman would tell McCain that."

Sen. McCain is aware that it's a economic reality that businesses must compete and it's the efficient and productibve that survive. It was Sen. Obama who was the one who played to local demagoguery in Ohio by attacking the effects of NAFTA as bad for the country. Sen. McCain was honest in Ohio and, in response to a question, replied that NAFTA resulted in a net increase to the USA in jobs. In Ohio, that's like gripping the third rail. Yet somehow Sen. McCain is seen as bad on the economy and out of touch.
I never agreed with the Republican attacks on the media but stuff like this starts to make that position seem credible. Sen. Obama gets a free pass - Sen. McCain's positions are misrepresented or the most minor errors spotlighted.

Posted by: 10-4Archer5 | October 8, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm with Heron. I think McCain was referring to oil money and didn't notice it happened to be the bailout amount also. I am favoring Obama for so many reasons and first and foremost, it will be better for the country.

Posted by: GaiasChild | October 8, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Mallaby, it was Obama who suggested Warren Buffet as a replacement to the Treasury Secretary, not John McCain.

Also, I think you mistook the discussion where Obama and McCain were asked to prioritize their spending goals -- not their budget-cutting goals, which it appears you took the exchange to be about. Obama placed entitlement programs as a third place priority on spending, saying he may have to put off some of the initiatives he'd like to implement due to the budget crisis.

No wonder the answers from the candidates seemed to be "not encouraging" or "out of left field." It hardly seems as if you were even watching the debate. Maybe you're just cribbing from YouTube or the talking heads on TV. In any case, I suggest you rewatch the debate in it's entirety and try for a do-over.

Posted by: ewyeth | October 8, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I loved my Mr. Potato Head, and found the one from my childhood on E-Bay. That doesn't mean Meg Whitman should be the Treasury secretary. McCain sounded much like George W. Bush on that one - put his buddies, biggest contributors and those to whom he owes favors in high positions. Who cares about qualifications, right? As long as your friends and yes men get their reward.

Posted by: corridorg4 | October 8, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Warren Buffet should be in charge of tax policies. Maybe be head of the IRS. Even he admitted that the tax system favors the very rich. He admitted his tax rate is much lower than eveb his own secretary's. I think he said his is 15% hers is like 30%. And the Republicans are complaining about Obama giving the top 5% richest in the country getting a tax increase? Give me a break?

Posted by: jw360 | October 9, 2008 3:18 AM | Report abuse

What's Warren Buffet going to do as Treasury secretary? You know what he will advise to do. Put all taxpayer money in Coca-Cola. That will solve the deficity. That's all he knows how to do, just knowing where to invest his money. And because of his high profile, alot people probably put their money where he puts it too, and his stocks increase. Wow, he's a genius!

Posted by: jw360 | October 9, 2008 3:21 AM | Report abuse

All that prioritizing and efficiency made for growing businesses...with fewer people. And was part of the funnelling of ever more money to the top few while putting many middle class out of work or scrounging for low-paying jobs.

Posted by: Lanark1 | October 9, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Slo why isn't WAPO and its phony Obama Shills like Malleby investigating why the
readers and US taxpayers should be giving
AIG money to bail out Democrat Speaker
Nutcase Nancy Pelosi's $36 Million Dollars
in AIG Stock? Or the five top Democrats
Campaign Contributions from Frannie Mae
and Freddie Mac including the top two
Democrats Sen Chris Dodd,Barack Hussein Obama and Hillary Clinton now then? Hell
even Fox News practices more Fair and
Balanced Reporting of this then WAPO!
No Wonder WAPO Circulation is on the skids!

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | October 9, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

The new media bias is so blatant it hurts.

Liberals own the new media, they will not give fair and impartial treatment to each candidate.

Unfortunately the sheeple of the Divided States of North America will get what they deserve.

Posted by: laysertag | October 9, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

OPEN CHALLENGE TO THE MEDIA AND PRESS!
Obama’s Hidden Records

1. Occidental College records -- Not released
2. Columbia College records -- Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper -- ''''not available''''
4. Harvard College records -- Not released
5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released
6. Medical records -- Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- ''''not available''''
8. Law practice client list -- Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published -- None
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None
13. Record of baptism-- Not released or ''''not available''''
14. Illinois State Senate records--''''not available''''

Add to that, how did he pay for college? How did he go from Occidental to Columbia, who got him in? How was he made Prez of the Harvard Law Review without witting any laws!!!! Or an article even.

Posted by: DrRevere | October 9, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Typical mega-megalomania begotten of overweening pride. Fact is, Mr. Obama is a liar. Mr. Obama''s stock-in-trade is The Lie. Mr. Obama''s closest friends and associates are criminals and liars. They, including Mr. Obama, will say or do ANYTHING to advance their mad drive for power. They all, including Mr. Obama, are sacchrine-sweet on the outside and deadly cyanide-vapor on the inside. Such entities (I will not refer to them as "human") are more deadly than the deadliest vipers. Mr. Obama is a clever, very skillful liar. The word "dishonest" does not approach describing the depth of Mr. Obama''s moral degeneracy and depravity. A dirty, smelly airplane is the tippytip of the cankered iceberg known as "Obama."

Posted by: DrRevere | October 9, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Obama avoided the question as always. This is what you can expect from Obama from now on. At least McCain has "some" ideas, rather than stagnation as Obama does. McCain and is more than likely open to suggestions. The real deal here is all you genius people who have the answers but never quite seem to pull it off. It's easy to run your mouths about something you hold no responsibility for like running the country. Either put up or shut up. If you have the almighty solution let's here it. otherwise shut up.

Posted by: dragonfly777 | October 9, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

wow, I am STUNNED by how GOPers talk about Obama's time at Harvard, among other things. The statement or question about how come he got to be President of the Harvard Law Review when he didn't write any laws...HUH?? And like many young people, both him and his wife attended university with applied for and granted scholarships( the kind where GREAT grades are neccessary) and student loans, which weren't completely paid off until he had sold his first book. And he's an elitest? He definitely wasn't a "legacy' student, like Bush and McCain; he worked hard for his accomplishments. Actually, extra hard because as a woman I know that women and minorities have to work harder to get anywhere due in part to something your precious Palin mentioned, the glass cieling. And you can't find his records? Can you spell Google? Or how about the archives of magazines like The Economist, or WS, or the Harvard Law Review, 'cause they all had articles about him becoming the first AA to acheive the position. So you think that these conservative publications would publish articles about Obama if they weren't true? And for the record I think John McCain is putting "country first"--he saw how bad Bush and the GOP have made things, so he chose a completely inappropriate VP, and has mud coming out of cannons on the campaign trail. All to insure that the neo-cons that have taken over his beloved GOP, will not get back into power and the Republican Party can revamp, and regroup, and become Americans again. Americans first, Republicans second. At least that's the only explaination I can come up with.

Posted by: katem1 | October 9, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

First. Buffett is supporting Obama. He said so on Charlie Rose. Second. It WAS McCain who said Buffett for Treasury. Three. For all you people who "don't know enough about Obama," I suggest you go to your library and get the books he has written, and also the book written about him, title "Obama," written about him by a Chicago newspaperman, forgot his name.

Posted by: carolanne2 | October 9, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama trained ACORN members in Chicago and, in turn, ACORN volunteers worked on his Illinois campaigns and ACORN's PAC endorsed his primary bid with full backing. Despite his denials of any association with the group, Obama's political DNA is encoded with the ACORN agenda.

Posted by: DrRevere | October 9, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Compare the activities of John McCain and Sarah Palin with Don Quixote and his faithful sidekick Panza. John McCain tilts with imaginary enemies and Palin brags about his wins.

Posted by: Eastconn | October 9, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Not to even mention McCain did not seem to know that EBAY had laid off 10% of its workers that very day.

Posted by: dutchess2 | October 10, 2008 6:32 AM | Report abuse

McCain's 700B reference was to foreign oil: 66% of 22M bpd at $140 per barrel. About a third of that comes from the Persian Gulf and Hugo Chavez.

It is interesting to note that McCain's figure is the highest barely defensible estimate of our annual bill. But of course the bill will likely go much higher as our remaining domestic reserves run out, Mexican production continues to collapse, and world oil production continues to stall.

Posted by: chase-truth | October 10, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Ahh come on guys, the candidates cannot win in your packed jury court...

If the candidate gives a bland answer to the question you are all over him for being devious, manipulative, liar, and on, and on...

If he gives you a straight answer that says "today, this is what I would do about that" then you are on him like a malevolent cat on a wounded mouse, and the dismemberment begins...

And the Bush Haters and the Obama haters turn every article into an excuse to rant and rave and foam at the mouth and spew their self hatred...

No wonder the Latin for the unwashed public is the word vulgar...

Dr. O

Posted by: ad4hk2004 | October 10, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Right on about the criticism of the Whitman choice. Everything coming out McCain camp nowadays is seat o f the pants and generally ill-advised as a result. I'm no supporter of McCain, but this line in the column deserves correction: "“My friends, some of this $700 billion ends up in the hands of terrorist organizations,” he said, in an out-of-left-field reference to the Paulson bank bailout plan." McCain's reference was undoubtedly to the $700 billion sent out of the country to pay for energy, a number thrown out earlier the debate by one of possibly both candidates and never challenged. The thought was $ to Saudi Arabia = $ to terrorists, which is also one of Obama's arguments for his $150 billion alternative-energy investment plan.

Posted by: reggilbert | October 10, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I very much enjoyed DrRevere's comments. I think he is warning America that stupid, ignorant people are going to be against Obama.

His (or is it her?) litany about items not supplied is silly. Maybe Obama should go visit with DrRevere and bring the info with him. Of course, DrRevere might take a look at google and a few other reference sources for the information sought but then there is no reason to rail against the unfairness of being willfully ignorant.

The shriller the screams of the right the more persuaded I am that Obama should preside over this nation.

McCain has fouled himself most odoriferously with his flip flops, lies and distortions. His VP pick who is connected to an Alaskan terrorist wishing to secede from the union goes largely unmentioned. Her immense ignorance componded by her demogogic rants shows us that if elected it would behoove this nation to make sure he does not die in office. She would make Bush look like a beneficial leader who made only minor errors by unnecessarily going to war and screwing up by refusing to regulate wall street thieves.

Posted by: palnicki | October 10, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Hey check out McCain's new Mantra for Rallies...
http://www.youtube.com/v/p8eI10Clk3A

Posted by: ByeByeBama | October 10, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse


Since when is Fox News fair and balanced A big joke

Posted by: hanseman57yahoocom | October 10, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

"The Washington Post reported in 1988 that John McCain had sent his own money to the Nicaraguan terrorist organization known as the "contras."

What AP reported yesterday is that now many writers are investigating John McCain's support of a right-wing organization that sent arms to the Nicaraguan terrorists.

The contras targeted and killed both Ben Linder, an American volunteer engineer in Nicaragua, and an American nun Sister Maureen Courtney.

McCain visited the contra camps illegally less than five months after the contras killed Ben Linder of Portland, Oregon, and the contras killed Sister Maureen Courtney just three years after McCain made his friendly visit to the child-raping, civilian-castrating terrorists.

After McCain returned from his friendly visit with the contras, he lobbied the Reagan Administration to boost funding and arms to the contras.

The contra terrorists killed tens of thousands of civilians in order to maintain their control over the rural, farming communities in their region."

It seems to me that McCain should worry more about the great plank in his eye that the mote of dust in Obama's.

Posted by: steelsil2 | October 10, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I am a liberal and a democrat. But, I want the president of my country to be selected based on merits, and not by an overwhelming bias, and propaganda. I don't understand why the media (almost all of them) and liberal-leaning papers like WP, NY Times, LA Times, Boston Globe, etc jump all over, when William Ayers or Tony Rezko's connections with Barack Obama is discussed. After all, if Obama does not have anything to worry, is it not welcome that this thing comes out in the open. Should Obama be protected from any criticism? Didn't the media push us into the Iraq War? They failed us once, and fail us again. In 2000 election, it was painful for me to see the media glowing over Bush as the savior of White House's "integrity" and "morality". We know what we got. Now, it is the media's turn to brainwash everyone into believing Obama has done nothing wrong, and will do none. Please don't push your agenda on us. If there is a story about Obama and Ayers, investigate it, explain it. Don't attack those who bring it in the open. In fact, before Palin talked about it or Clinton brought it, the media should have done that. We don't believe in Hannity. We want YOU to do it for us. Ask Obama why he associated with Ayers, Wright, and Rezko so long and in so much depth. Let the world know what he has to say. Don't push Obama into the White House. Let him earn it. We deserve that, and you (the news media) need to earn that respect, by asking tough questions to Obama too. Don't be a propaganda machine for any party or any candidate. The reason I am a Democrat is because of the dislike I have for right-wing loud mouths. We don't need left-wing cover-up machines. If you believe Obama is good, he'll come out clean. BUT DON'T COVER IT UP.

Posted by: ronniesmith123 | October 10, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: hclark1 | October 10, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

In the current climate, I guess McCain could hardly disclose his real ideal pick for the Treasury job: Phil Gramm.

Posted by: youarestillidiots | October 10, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama's Involvement with ACORN Unearthed, Missing
Cleveland Leader ^ | October 9, 2008 - 9:08pm.

While Barack Obama's connection with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) has not gone entirely unreported, it has not been fully explained. Most media background pieces simply note Obama's involvement in a 1995 lawsuit on behalf of ACORN. Obama's own website, as well as most major media, fail to reveal the full depth and extent of his relationship with the organization.

Attempts to hide evidence of Obama's involvement with ACORN have included wiping the web clean of potentially damaging articles that had appeared, and were previously publicly accessible. Unfortunately, those behind the attempted cover-up failed to realize that in today's day and age, nothing disappears forever. There also exists another layer of the web, the hidden web, which is full of information included in proprietary scholarly databases where these very same "missing" articles can be easily uncovered.

Obama's campaign website states:

Fact: Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.

Is that really a FACT, or just another lie? Let's take a look at a quote from a 2004 article - Case Study: Chicago- The Barack Obama Campaign - written by Toni Foulkes, a Chicago ACORN Leader, which was published in the journal Social Policy. Did we mention that Social Policy recently pulled this particular article from their website, while leaving links to all other articles up?

"Obama took the case, known as ACORN vs. Edgar (the name of the Republican governor at the time) and we won. Obama then went on to run a voter registration project with Project VOTE in 1992 that made it possible for Carol Moseley Braun to win the Senate that year. Project VOTE delivered 50,000 newly registered voters in that campaign (ACORN delivered about 5,000 of them).

Since then, we have invited Obama to our leadership training sessions to run the session on power every year, and, as a result, many of our newly developing leaders got to know him before he ever ran for office. Thus it was natural for many of us to be active volunteers in his first campaign for STate Senate and then his failed bid for U.S. Congress in 1996. By the time he ran for U.S. Senate, we were old friends."

Not only does Foulkes boast of Obama's ACORN leadership training, but also makes it clear that Obama's post-law school organizing of "Project VOTE" in 1992 was undertaken in direct partnership with ACORN. The tie between Project VOTE and ACORN is also something that Obama and others have attempted to disprove in recent weeks as ACORN has come under fire for allegations of voter registration fraud.

As recently as March 2008, the Los Angeles Times also made reference to Barack Obama's involvement with ACORN:

"At the time, Talbot worked at the social action group ACORN and initially considered Obama a competitor. But she became so impressed with his work that she invited him to help train her staff." (LA Times, March 2, 2008)

All this information was easily pulled up with minimal time investment. It took less than thirty minutes to find, despite attempts by some to bury the truth. If I could find this with little effort, imagine what could be dug up with a serious, in-depth investigation. Scary, isn't it?

Nevertheless, Barack Obama's campaign website continues to lie and deny the truth about his involvement and association with ACORN. No matter how many times you say it, it does not make it true. The facts do not lie, Senator Obama. It's time to come clean and tell the truth, and it's time for the American people to demand it.

Posted by: 4elise | October 12, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

**How was he made Prez of the Harvard Law Review without witting any laws!!!!**

I think your terror at the thought of a black man running this county has unhinged your minds.
Quiet, my little dinosaur...the more you struggle, the faster you sink into the tar.

Posted by: dijetlo | October 13, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

"Obama dodged the question -- as one might expect. But McCain straight-talked it, which turned out to be a big mistake."

Sooo how did Senator Obama answer when he "dodged the question"??

Senator McCain made a mistake because he used one of his talking points instead of thinking first.

If Meg Whitman is REALLY one of his possible choices then we should all worry about the rest of his list of possible picks for cabinet positions.

Posted by: knjincvc | October 13, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Pull out of Iraq?!?!

Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago?

Body count:


In the last six months:

292 killed
(murdered) in Chicago;

221 killed in Iraq.

Chicago.... Who Runs it: Senators: Barack Obama & Dick Durbin

Rep: Jesse Jackson Jr.,

Illinois Gov: Rod Blogojevich,

Illinois House leader Mike Madigan,

Illinois Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),

Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J. Daley)

.....our leadership in Illinois.....all Democrats.

Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago.

Of course, they're all blaming each other!

Can't blame Republicans; they're aren't any!
State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.

Cook County
(Chicago) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look 'em up if you want).

Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country.

This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois.

And he's gonna 'fix' Washington politics for us?

Wake Up America!

Pull out of Iraq?!?!

Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago?
Body count:
In the last six months:

292 killed
(murdered) in Chicago;

221 killed in Iraq.

Chicago.... Who Runs it: Senators: Barack Obama & Dick Durbin

Rep: Jesse Jackson Jr.,

Illinois Gov: Rod Blogojevich,

Illinois House leader Mike Madigan,

Illinois Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),
Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J. Daley)
.....our leadership in Illinois.....all Democrats.
Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago.
Of course, they're all blaming each other!
Can't blame Republicans; they're aren't any!
State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.

Cook County
(Chicago) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look 'em up if you want).

Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country.
This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois.
And he's gonna 'fix' Washington politics for us?
Wake Up America

Posted by: 4elise | October 14, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

What do the top ten cities with the highest poverty rate all have in common?

Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1961.

Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn’t elected one since 1954

Cincinnati, OH (3rd) .. since 1984

Cleveland, OH (4th) .. since 1989

Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor

St. Louis, MO (6th) .. since 1949

El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor

Milwaukee, WI (8th) .. since 1908

Philadelphia, PA (9th) .. since 1952

Newark, NJ (10th) .. since 1907

Einstein once said, ‘The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.’

It is the disadvantaged who habitually elect Democrats yet are still disadvantaged. (writer unknown)

Posted by: 4elise | October 14, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

NEW YORK –Sen. Barack Obama, with a donation of nearly $1 million, and a son of Libyan dictator Muammar Gadhafi were among the biggest contributors to the presidential campaign of controversial Kenyan leader Raila Odinga, according to an internal document obtained by WND.

The memo was prepared by the head of Odinga's campaign finance accounting section, Shakeel Shabbir, as an official report delivered to the national treasurer for Odinga's Orange Democratic Movement party, or ODM.

Among the 72 individuals and organizations that contributed money to Odinga's 2007 presidential run in Kenya, Shabbir lists "Friends of Senator B.O." as having donated 66,000,000 Kenyan schillings, about $950,000.

Saif el-Islam Gadhafi, the Libyan strongman's second oldest son, reportedly donated 53,450,000 Kenyan schillings, about $765,000.

According to several highly credible ex-ODM sources WND interviewed in Kenya, the $950,000 raised for Odinga's campaign came from a series of private meetings arranged for Odinga by Mark Lippert, a foreign policy adviser in Obama's U.S. Senate office. The meetings with top-dollar Obama fundraisers and donors took place during Odinga's 2006 trip to the U.S. In Kenya, WND talked to several top ex-ODM officials who played key roles in Odinga's 2007 presidential campaign.

The officials became disaffected with Odinga after confirming he signed a memorandum of understanding with Sheik Abdullahi Abdi, the chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum, or NAMLEF. In the Aug, 27, 2007, agreement, Odinga promised that within six months of becoming president, he would "rewrite the Constitution of Kenya to recognize Shariah as the only true law sanctioned by the Holy Quran for Muslim declared religions."

The ex-Odinga officials also told WND that, as Christians, they were appalled to see Odinga use tribal violence as a strategy to gain power after he lost the election by some 250,000 votes to sitting President Mwai Kibaki, a member of Kenya's majority Kikuyu tribe.

Odinga called on fellow Luo tribal members to protest alleged voter fraud, resulting in a brutal wave of machete-wielding violence that killed an estimated 1,000 members of the Kikuyu tribe in January and February. Some 800 Christian churches also were destroyed or burned to the ground, without a single mosque being damaged.

Posted by: 4elise | October 15, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

NEW YORK –Sen. Barack Obama, with a donation of nearly $1 million, and a son of Libyan dictator Muammar Gadhafi were among the biggest contributors to the presidential campaign of controversial Kenyan leader Raila Odinga, according to an internal document obtained by WND.

The memo was prepared by the head of Odinga's campaign finance accounting section, Shakeel Shabbir, as an official report delivered to the national treasurer for Odinga's Orange Democratic Movement party, or ODM.

Among the 72 individuals and organizations that contributed money to Odinga's 2007 presidential run in Kenya, Shabbir lists "Friends of Senator B.O." as having donated 66,000,000 Kenyan schillings, about $950,000.

Saif el-Islam Gadhafi, the Libyan strongman's second oldest son, reportedly donated 53,450,000 Kenyan schillings, about $765,000.

According to several highly credible ex-ODM sources WND interviewed in Kenya, the $950,000 raised for Odinga's campaign came from a series of private meetings arranged for Odinga by Mark Lippert, a foreign policy adviser in Obama's U.S. Senate office. The meetings with top-dollar Obama fundraisers and donors took place during Odinga's 2006 trip to the U.S. In Kenya, WND talked to several top ex-ODM officials who played key roles in Odinga's 2007 presidential campaign.

The officials became disaffected with Odinga after confirming he signed a memorandum of understanding with Sheik Abdullahi Abdi, the chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum, or NAMLEF. In the Aug, 27, 2007, agreement, Odinga promised that within six months of becoming president, he would "rewrite the Constitution of Kenya to recognize Shariah as the only true law sanctioned by the Holy Quran for Muslim declared religions."

The ex-Odinga officials also told WND that, as Christians, they were appalled to see Odinga use tribal violence as a strategy to gain power after he lost the election by some 250,000 votes to sitting President Mwai Kibaki, a member of Kenya's majority Kikuyu tribe.

Odinga called on fellow Luo tribal members to protest alleged voter fraud, resulting in a brutal wave of machete-wielding violence that killed an estimated 1,000 members of the Kikuyu tribe in January and February. Some 800 Christian churches also were destroyed or burned to the ground, without a single mosque being damaged.

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