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The Town Hall Debate: What Was McCain Up To?

Did McCain have a strategy? John McCain’s approach to Tuesday night’s town hall debate seemed at odds with the direction his campaign has taken over the last several days, a point I discuss in my column this morning.

I’ve been pondering what McCain might have been up to in focusing more on economics and issue attacks than personal assaults on Barack Obama. Of course, personal attacks would seem out of place at a town hall meeting. But it occurred to me that perhaps McCain knows that his lurching style in the campaign lately has hurt him in the polls. So he sought to use last night’s encounter to portray himself as a calmer presence. He was not trying to use one debate to gain back all the ground he has lost. He had the more modest goal of improving his image and therefore set himself up to make gains as the campaign goes forward.

This, perhaps, is a compassionate reading of McCain’s performance. I was struck that some conservative commentators, including Bill Bennett on CNN, and my NPR colleague and Weekly Standard writer Matt Continetti, felt that McCain had not done what he needed to do and therefore effectively lost the debate. Matt noted that Obama looked more Reaganesque than McCain did, which is a high compliment from a conservative. And it’s true, I think, that Obama’s calm and thoughtful demeanor has been reassuring to many undecided voters. That is certainly what the snap post-debate polls showed.

Obama’s whole debate strategy has been directed toward swing voters, as the indispensible Nate Silver has pointed out on his fivethirtyeight.com Web site. You have the sense that McCain’s advisers are divided on the way forward. Some seem to think that McCain can only win by trashing Obama, while others believe the old, less partisan McCain needs to reappear if he’s to pick up moderate voters he has lost to Obama. Or maybe it’s a classic two step strategy: have McCain look more reasonable while all the attacks are done by surrogates like Sarah Palin and through advertising, direct mail and e-mail.

What’s clear is that the economic crisis has moved this campaign decisively in Obama’s direction. McCain has to do a lot more than he managed in last night’s debate.

By E.J. Dionne  | October 8, 2008; 11:41 AM ET
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I am not a socialist by any means, but there are key fundamentals that has made this country great.

The first president who set us on a path of greatness in the modern age was TR (Theodore Roosevelt) who worked hard against cronyism and trust busting. He also had during his time unions on the rise, which he did not oppose. Note: TR was a Republican.

The second president who set us on a path of greatness in the modern age was FDR (Franklin D. Roosevelt) his cousin. He came into the presidency because the Republicans went against TR's agenda and brought this country to the brink by given the cronyism back to an upper class and create a trickle down economic plan. FDR changed that with various work programs to bring back the middle class.

Neither president spoken of were socialists, they both believed in a free market, but they both believed that a strong middle class was required for the country to prosper.

Otherwise, we become a European aristocracy of the haves and have nots. That is the main difference that is surely underreported in the media.

Posted by: jrubin1 | October 8, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I was also taken back by McCain last night, but for different reasons. His "that One" comment was bizarre. Especially following his refusal to look at Obama in the first debate. Then there was his rudeness to the black man in the audience. He said the guys probably hadn't heard of Fannie or Freddie and that he would help the old white guy stay in his home. What, he wouldn't help people like the black guy?

He seemed to have a problem with black men. His contempt and dismissive manner all speak of bigotry. Is McCain a racist?

Posted by: mbshults | October 8, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse


Wait until the American people get a load of Governer Palin's
"exorcist video" on Youtube

.. being exorcised of witchery influence by hand....

followed by an anti-semitic statement from her pastor

The End times are happy times!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8CMRo6aqrQ

Posted by: dhxx | October 8, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Last night marked the end of McCain's chances. Economics and age are running against him. Any opportunity to change the fundamentals of this race are diminishing quickly.

Posted by: snorthwood | October 8, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I think McCain showed his experience and knowledge, and expressed the importance of having an experienced President during a time of war and economic disaster. Obama seems to have trouble with not being able to get the last word in... reminds me of being 5 when my parents would tell me I wasn't going to get a toy and that was final! I still whined.. just as he did.

Posted by: jelinville | October 8, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse


In all of us - beyond age, experience, education, aspirations and accomplishments - lies an immutable and lasting stratum of what can best be called "character." It consists of a mixture of pragmatic ideals, including abiding self-confidence and self-respect, a compassionate spirituality, honesty, and a healthy and consistent work ethic, moral strength and a respect for others. These qualities are not so readily apparent - emerging more in what a person does over time, and not so much in what they say. I have observed John McCain and Barack Obama long enough to have seen a striking difference between them in terms of some of the qualities mentioned. I hope you will observe them and compare them, too, and vote on the basis of what you find. It may prove critical to America's survival as the leader of the free world.

Posted by: dajerryguy | October 8, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Last night was a great opportunity for McCain to say the following, clearly and with good reason the american public do not trust washington politicians from either party. That being said if Senator Obama, an out of the mainstream liberal is elected and of course we have a left wing liberal congress, then between them they will take this country to the edge of the idealogical precipice which will include big spending, big taxes and less freedom and choice for the american public. R.I.P. the american private sector.

Posted by: gosforth1 | October 8, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I would agree that McCain was issue oriented but his 'facts' were not so accurate.

What did Mr. McCain learn from the Keating Five?

He obviously did not learn that deregulation of the S&L industry was bad for the thousands of people who lost their savings and pensions. And over $130 billion in 1990.

He did not learn that deregulation of the financial industry would cost us at least $700 billion in 2008.

Why would we promote someone who learns nothing from the 'worst mistake of his life'.

Posted by: mtobias1 | October 8, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

EJ asks "Did McCain have a strategy?"

No. I don't know if you're talking about the debate or the campaign at large, but the answer is the same: There is no evidence of any strategy whatsoever anywhere within or even near the McCain campaign.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 8, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Great observation. In the law enforcement mentality this would be good cop to Palin's bad cop. The point of that strategy is that another person is the target. The relationship is one of power imbalance, one right, one wrong. This is the kind of fossilised old combative thinking that 70 percent of us don't want for a president.

Posted by: GaiasChild | October 8, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain offers a good alternative for the housing crises: "The government could buy up the bad home loan mortgages; and renegotiate at the new values of those homes" What a great idea! Vote smart. Vote
McCain/Palin08
Hillary Clinton 2012

Posted by: mmarii | October 8, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Watching and listening to McCain is like watching a drowning person who almost invariably will put his head, the heaviest single body part, down thus increasing the chance that he'll drown.

They begin by floundering which quickly becomes flailing as they feel themselves going down for the third time. Not a pleasant sight.

Posted by: abcd3 | October 8, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Republicans love to spend just as much as Democrats, they just are not willing to admit that. Nor are they willing to pay for what they spend as proved by the fact that the greatest nation on earth (or so they would want us to believe) owes $10,000,000,000,000 (half of it to the third world).
Why can't we live within our means and mind our own business? Why do we have to be the world's policemen (and they don't even want us in that role to begin with)?
Neither candidate is quite honest about taxes and spending but IMO Obama is less dishonest than McCain.
Besides, who cares about what they say? The powers of the president are too limited to make a difference but what they do do is appoint Supreme court justices and I think we have enough conservative judges there as it is. Vote Obama.
P. S. Even if McCain had a wonderful plan to solve all of our problems the fact that he chose that shrill shrew to be his VP makes him a despicable sleazebag...

Posted by: ExUnguiLeonem | October 8, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I think McCain and Palin strategy is simple and that is attack and put as much doubt in the mind of voters as possible. I hear all the time voters saying that they are not sure who he is or they don't know enough about him. What you in Washington don't understand about people outside of your little nest is that they are busy, working and have a life and don't read blogs or WP. If I was the Obama camp I would be really worried right now. Obama is outspending McCain 3-1, spent over 2 million dollars in FL and the latest poll shows him up 2 which means he is losing, Zogby has him up 2 in a national poll, gallup has him up 8 or 9 in their tracking but he should be up by double digits and I dont' see where he is still gaining in the battlegound states and in some polls he is losing ground. I know the media wants you to believe the race is over but I don't think for a second that it is over. As far as the debates you already know what is going to said before they even say it. These so called focus groups always say Obama wins as does instant polls and pudnits. Lets all remember that Gore and Kerry won all the debates also and I don't see where either one became President.

Posted by: sque1 | October 8, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

McCain's campaign is in a state of panic and disarray. Even Plain knows all is lost and is positioning herself for her career in National politics. It was his pick of Palin that ended his campaign. The polls showed McCain losing and he gambled on an unvetted pander-play to the extreme rightwing of the Party, thus alienating women and moderates. It showed he was impulsive, reckless and dangerous.

Now, however, he has unleashed a proto-fascist on America and she, the Sarah Barracuda Barbie, will not go gently back in her box. The Clearwater, FL rally demonstrates how much of a demagogue she's willing to be. Sinclair Lewis warned that when Fascism came to America, it would be wrapped in an American Flag and would be bearing The Cross. Scary stuff.

The Republican Party's ideology has run America into the ground. They have no policies, no plan. All they have is Hate, Fear and Division!!!

Posted by: thebobbob | October 8, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

You think you have a bead on where McCain's head is? That's going quite a distance when not even the candidate himself knows.

Posted by: tydicea | October 8, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe that the "that one" comment was racist. It was just old crabby man talk. My grandfather would refer to his own children as "this one" and "that one" when he was displeased with them. Yes there is serious tension between the candidates mostly generated from unfair attacks like the sex ed, anti-american stuff, but I am actually relieved that there were few personal attacks and it was kind of boring. There has been a little too much excitement when it comes to this stuff and we should take a long sober look at our future and who should lead us.

I don't believe that McCain is actually even running his campaign anymore. These character attacks are not the McCain that I knew in 2000.

On a different note. Obama let the opportunity slip to defend his vote on the Bush energy bill. He simply should have stated that it was the first opportunity to vote for a Bush/Cheney energy bill that included alternative energy.

They are both in denial about their spending plans but dont want to be the candidate so close to the election that wants to break the news to the public about sacrifice. They either a. Dont know or b. both think its political suicide to explain how much we will suffer. Have we gone soft? Just give it to me straight doc...are we headed for a global depression? That would be refreshing.

Posted by: StoptheSpin | October 8, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

The inadequacy of McCain's strategy on the fiscal crisis was revealed by his response to the only good question Tom Brokaw asked: Who would you appoint as your Treasury Secretary?
McCain's response revealed he was unprepared for the question, which speaks volumes about his own and his advisers' lack of preparedness in the current environment.
His answer was equally disastrous: Warren Buffett, who is actually "your" adviser -- Sen. Obama's -- and who has endorsed Obama.
Oddly, no pundit seems to have commented on this remarkable moment, when the only name McCain could offer for Treasury Sec'y (the crucial officer of the government now) was the big-time investor who has endorsed Obama, the one big investor who managed not to lose money in the last couple of weeks, and whose recent infusion of cash into Goldman Sachs was viewed as a blessing. Obama's adviser?
McCain thus endorsed Obama's approach to the economy, didn't he? Or at least reminded everyone that the big gun who seems to understand the economy is backing his supposedly inexperienced opponent -- and not backing McCain. A terrible mistake. Obama blithely adopted the suggestion, of course: "Well, Warren Buffett would be good in that job" or words to that effect.

Posted by: tedseye | October 8, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"Lets all remember that Gore and Kerry won all the debates also and I don't see where either one became President."

Yeah, its sad, isn't it?

Posted by: DDAWD | October 8, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Ummm... anybody else notice that McCain never began his answers to the black questioners by repeating their names, which he did for the white questioners?

What about Oliver and Ingrid? Couldn't say that but he sure remembered Alan.

Posted by: DixieWrecked | October 8, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see the Dems in here, predictably trying to drum up support for their race card. It's funny how the most racist, sexist, and ageist party (the Democrats) sees racism in everyone but themselves. Maybe when the Dems stop treating Hispanics like sweet but submissive household staff, African-Americans like pets, and Caucasians like demons; they'll be able to move on to the issues that effect the American people.

Posted by: Ogman | October 8, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Few observations . . . both candidates did ok, but Obama came out ahead in the long run . . .

McCain shook hands with several audience members and then left fairly quickly. Obama and his wife, Michelle, stuck around to shake far more hands, pose for pictures, sign autographs, and answer more questions, including from people who had been on stage but did not get a chance to ask their questions (important point). Only when Secret Service agents told them it was time to go did the couple leave (upon which they headed for a post-debate fundraiser at Al and Tipper Gore’s house nearby).

McCain leaving right afterward was pretty shocking to me – even some of the big McCain fans among my friends were really surprised he did that. I was very impressed that the Obamas stayed til the very end, shook everyone’s hand, and just seemed very accessible. I think they won some people over by just sticking around and seeming happy to talk more. The Obama's looked like the First Couple, while the McCains came off to me as fleeing because they’re furious, frustrated and losing.

Last comment . . . Who was that old man wandering around the stage behind President Obama last night? Was he looking for the bathroom?

Posted by: atskippy | October 8, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

IF THE WRITER OF THE ARTICLE SERIOUSLY THINKS THAT OBAMA HAS 'A CALM AND THOUGHFUL DEMEANOR' AT ANY GIVEN TIME, HE DESERVES WHAT HE GETS IF OBAMA WINS THE ELECTION. OBAMA HAS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING BEEN NOTHING MORE THAN A GRINNING EGOMANIAC, A LA HILLARY CLINTON, WHO ALL BUT STATES IN SO MANY WORDS THAT WE, THE PUBLIC, OWE HIM THE PRESIDENCY. WE OWE HIM NOTHING; IT IS HE WHO OWES US.

Posted by: grumpiestoldman | October 8, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"He obviously did not learn that deregulation of the S&L industry was bad for the thousands of people who lost their savings and pensions. And over $130 billion in 1990.

He did not learn that deregulation of the financial industry would cost us at least $700 billion in 2008."


Hmmm I would say this 2005 speech showed he learned a lot and predicted similar results to what we've seen. However Dodd, Barney, Schumer and others fought this legislation and it didn't go through. But I'm sure its just coincidence that they also were the biggest beneficiaries of Fannie/Freddie along with Kerry, Clinton and Obama.

Ask yourself if Obama had made the following statement how often do you think it would make rounds in the MSM? Amazingly the only place I'm able to find discussion on this is in blogs. The MSM Obama cheerleading squad couldn't dare admit that McCain was right.

"I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac--known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs--and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO's report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO's report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay. I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation." Senator John S. McCain - May 25, 2006 on the Senate floor.

Posted by: Cryos | October 8, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

StoptheSpin:
The 'child of the Depression' who submitted her question online wrote 'no one has asked the American people to sacrifice for anything since WWII.' She's right. I've been saying this for years. Bush tells us to go shopping to keep the economy strong--he just forgot to say, 'don't use credit cards.' I think a leader who would tell us we have to sacrifice for the good of our country would garner a lot of respect for at least being honest.

Posted by: vettpf | October 8, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, "that one" is definitely peeved about something. "That one" is hiding plenty. "That one" is indoctrinating children to sing his praises. Oh, fearless leader, let us bow to "that one."

Posted by: gengar843 | October 8, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

To me, Obama always comes off as "cool and collected" in these debates.

McCain comes off as stressed and repressing his anger, that he has to justify himself at all. This is not the maverick idealist, that we Independents used to like. This individual is scary.

Posted by: wolfi101 | October 8, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Who cares any more?! The mindless hordes of America are going to elect Obama not knowing anything at all about him our economy has gone to hell because of the greedy morons within our financial institutions. Face it, America is doomed and there is nothing we can do about it now. I think the entire collective of American voters and journalist are a bunch of simpletons!

Posted by: dlennis | October 8, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

The reason we are having so much trouble in this country is due to the fact that the founding fathers in their wildest dreams never thought that this country would allow people who are illegal aliens,non english speaking,of other origins, dont own property,live off tax payers/govt, have an IQ of less than 70, vote. This is not rocket science people.

Posted by: rflyer | October 8, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"I think a leader who would tell us we have to sacrifice for the good of our country would garner a lot of respect for at least being honest. "

McCain has tried this and it backfired on him big time. "He doesn't get it, he is asking people suffering to suffer more, he doesnt understand the american workers plight" etc.

Obama has been using class warfare during the election and is proof that it works. A lot of people just want to be told you'll give them free things and charge the rich of "big business" for it. The "me" generation wants nothing to do with sacrifice.

Posted by: Cryos | October 8, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac is socialism practice by liberals.

Nothing is wrong with the idea but it fails to reality.

Posted by: jy2008 | October 8, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

"If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation." Senator John S. McCain - May 25, 2006 on the Senate floor."

Hmmm it sounds like McCain "gets it" and the democrats stopped it from happening. Polls say people give Obama the edge in the economy. What attempted legislation or predictions to the economy was Obama right on that gives him the edge? I'm just curious I hear this constantly from liberals with no data to back it up.

Posted by: Cryos | October 8, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks that race does not play a role in this election should think about the differences between McCain and Obama and what if the roles were reversed:

What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review?

What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?

What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said "I do" to?

What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no longer measured up to his standards?

What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?

What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?

What if Obama were a member of the Keating-5?

What if McCain were a charismatic, eloquent speaker?

What if Barack Obama had an unwed, pregnant teenage daughter?

If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are?

You are The Boss... which team would you hire?
Educational Background:
Obama:>Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in >International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

Biden:>University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

vs.>>McCain:>United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899

Palin:>Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester>North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism>

Posted by: worthin2 | October 8, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad no-one responded to the race-baiting question at the top... oops I just did. What a joke. Did you mention the kid laughed? Maybe he said that because he was a younger guy - how many college students knew what Fannie/Freddie were before all this? That was his point. Nice try though.

Posted by: Connormn | October 8, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

What if McCain sat in a church for 20 years listening to a bigot and America hater and never heard a word of it?! You freaking moron!

Posted by: dlennis | October 8, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I am genuinely puzzled why people say Obama was "unflappable" last night when he was visibly agitated and insisted on breaking the rules to respond to McCain. Once again, Obama spoke in generalities and promised everybody everything. How this is deemed "thoughtful" is indeed a great mystery. It is becoming quite clear that Obama really doesn't KNOW much of anything.

Posted by: ChuckCardiff | October 8, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

@jelinville: "Obama seems to have trouble with not being able to get the last word in... reminds me of being 5 when my parents would tell me I wasn't going to get a toy and that was final! I still whined.. just as he did."
Actually, Obama didn't want the last word, he wanted to correct McCain's lies... which were many.


Posted by: burf | October 8, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Then there was his rudeness to the black man in the audience. He said the guys probably hadn't heard of Fannie or Freddie and that he would help the old white guy stay in his home. What, he wouldn't help people like the black guy?

I fell out of my chair when he made the comment. In a normal conversation it may have gone unnoticed. But with 50 million listening to every word it was a major faux pas.


Ummm... anybody else notice that McCain never began his answers to the black questioners by repeating their names, which he did for the white questioners?

Okay the guyy is 72 and on stage. He remembered more names that I would have. Give all of us a break here.


But I agree his campaign strategy, if you can call it that, is way too mavericky. Too many fits and starts in sometimes opposite directions. Obama's lack of experience followed by the Palin choice, followed by her telling us she is better qualified than Obama.

He seems to be struggling with himself, one half of his campaign staff and then several weeks later with the other half.

Bottom line is if you go back and look at the trail of how to get to the White House you aren't going to find a candidate or a campaign that is erratic and unguided as his whole campaign has been.

At least not in a year where your opponent is very well funded, organized and focused.

My only question is why did McCain wander around on stage like a lost cat looking for the bowl of cat Friskies? He looked lost and un-presidential to me. And for sure it was a conscious choice to not sit still. Sad actually.

Posted by: patrick10 | October 8, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

worthin2 - prime candidate for this question, or anyone for that matter: How is Obama qualified to be the president of the US and leader of the free world? Incidentally, I'm sure I could find some scumbags with similar education credentials you just listed, so keep them as a side note. Please no deflections or answer a question with a question here.

Posted by: Connormn | October 8, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government."

Pop quiz!
Who said that?

There's a lot of talk of whether or not McCain/Palin should go and make personal attacks, and when they don't it's like, "aren't they gracious for not doing so?"

But it seems a given that Obama won't slander either McCain or Palin.

So allow me!

Sarah Palin palling around with secessionists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eniG9l_7its

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," Vogler (the founder of Alaskan Independence Party) said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP.

Palin has courted the group over the years.

The McCain campaign has confirmed she visited the group's 2000 convention, and she addressed its convention this year, as an incumbent governor whose oath of office includes upholding the Constitution of the United States.

Palin's husband, Todd Palin, was a member of the party from 1995-2002 with a brief exception in 2000.

Posted by: franglais | October 8, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

McCain strikes me as a compulsive gambler. He crashed 3 planes while becoming a military pilot and was shot down in combat by a missile because he ignored his plane's warning of the missile's approach and failed to make the appropriate maneuvers. He gambled with Palin's selection. He gambled with the Bail Out in Washington when he "suspended" his campaign. He was in the military but he was a pilot ..maybe a good one..but not an effective one. He is trying to make more of his military experience than is warranted. In other words, he is no Eisenhower. I do not think his military experience even measures up to John Kerry's. McCain's behavior is just too impulsive for the office of President.

Posted by: Thependulumswings | October 8, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

OMG I read some comments here and am astounded that so many Republicans think that Obama is so liberal that he will spend, spend, spend. How they can even begin to think along those lines [they have obviously been told this since time immemorial] that ALL liberals are SPENDTHRIFTS. Please think about that as there is absolutely no money to spend and I suspect that Obama may be far more conservative than any of your Republican Presidents in years - let us NOT delve into Bush's past 8 years as his spending has had no limits or bounds. So when you compare and contrast, there is no way on earth for Obama to spend anywhere near the wasteful spending W has perpetrated on the American public [much of which was his desire to avenge his daddy for not getting Saddam when he had the chance]! So much for his "daddy complex"!

Posted by: ObamasLady | October 8, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Obamaslady: QUALIFICATIONS for being POTUS - List them for your messiah please and keep in mind this is for the presidency not a community.

Posted by: Connormn | October 8, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Stop treating Hispanics like sweet but submissive household staff, African-Americans like pets. Posted by: Ogman

Well said! Maybe you should take this directly to McCain and company. You know, it's a new day!

Posted by: tydicea | October 8, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

What a joke... did someone just compare John Kerry's tshirt wearin fun in the sun boat cruise to John Mccain's Military service? Which one are you, the professor or mary ann? Sorry Gilligan is taken.

Posted by: Connormn | October 8, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Connormn said:
"Maybe he said that because he was a younger guy - how many college students knew what Fannie/Freddie were before all this?"

Isn't it telling that the kid took the time to go to the debate and ask a question?
I don't think he was there looking to get high or something....

I for one was maybe even more astute about current events while in college than I am now.

I think most college kids pay a lot of attention to what's going on, perhaps partly at least because they may be--GASP--studying Finance or PoliSci.

Posted by: franglais | October 8, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

franglais: Care to re-read what I said? 'BEFORE all this' as in BEFORE the sub-prime 'crisis' Not too many college kids thinking about their first mortgage except maybe some 'GASP' economics majors.
I also said 'knew' not 'know' another key indicator I was speaking about the past which is what JM was doing.

Why would you add in the 'looking to get high or something?' I surely didn't imply that.

Posted by: Connormn | October 8, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Connermn said "What a joke... did someone just compare John Kerry's tshirt wearin fun in the sun boat cruise to John Mccain's Military service?"

Obviously he has not compared McCain's military record to Kerry's. Come on. How do you crash 3 planes and still qualify as a pilot? I think big daddy and granddaddy were looking out for Johnny.

Posted by: Thependulumswings | October 8, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Only one problem with trotting Sarah Palin out to be the lipsticked attack dog: the more you poke, the more stink there is under her surface. She talks about Sen. Obama being outside the mainstream but she has a Kenyan witch doctor pray over her, rebuking every form of witchcraft from the Veep nominee. And she excoriates Sen. Obama for knowing Bill Ayers and Rev. Wright, but she doesn't comment on Joe Voegel, founder of the Alaskan Independent Party, has said the following:
"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government, and I won't be buried under their damn flag." Remember, Palin has attended at least 3 of their conventions, spoke to their gathering as Governor and her husband was a registered member of the party for several years at least. Guilt by association? And let's not forget Sen. McCain's connection to his own unrepentant terrorist G. Gordon Liddy who masterminded Watergate, advised Branch Davidians to aim for Federal ATF Agents' heads and expressed admiration for Hitler, all while having John McCain a guest on his radio show where McCain could fawn over Liddy and Liddy could reciprocate by holding a fundraiser for McCain and contributing $5,000 to his campaigns, $1,000 this year. Yeah ... let's talk about guilt by association. THAT one should be fun! Watch this scary expose of the AIP/Palin connection:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eniG9l_7its

Posted by: Omyobama | October 8, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

How is Obama qualified to be the president of the US and leader of the free world? Posted by: Connormn

What qualifies McCain? What, because he spent 5 yrs in the Hanoi Hilton, where he evidently lost his honor and principles?
What, because he spent 26 yrs in the senate, and whose dealings with one Charles Keating lead to one banking meltdown and he now presides over another, the result of his ardent and strident advocation for deregulation?
What, because he was an ardent supporter of the Bush policies, many of which were stellar failures?
Or is it that he is a white man?
Let's hear your thoughts!

Posted by: tydicea | October 8, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

OmyObama - Typical deflection tactics. Citing youtube rates just below wiki and just above 'the cat in the hat.' Do libs hate Palin because she talks with more than the typical Billary/Klobachar/Pelosi monotone yell in to the mic voice? Just Curious. How again is your messiah qualified to be president of the US? Don't answer it with a question or a deflection though... looking for a real, rational, level headed response.

Posted by: Connormn | October 8, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

""If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation." Senator John S. McCain - May 25, 2006 on the Senate floor."

Hmmm it sounds like McCain "gets it" and the democrats stopped it from happening. Polls say people give Obama the edge in the economy. What attempted legislation or predictions to the economy was Obama right on that gives him the edge? I'm just curious I hear this constantly from liberals with no data to back it up.

Posted by: Cryos"

No takers? Can 1 SINGLE OBAMA SUPPORTER TELL ME WHY OBAMA IS QUALIFIED IN THE ECONOMY AND WHAT HE HAS EVER DONE OR SAID TO SHOW HE HAS ANY FORESIGHT WHATSOEVER?

Posted by: Cryos | October 8, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Lol connormn. Good luck. I do the same thing and all they can do is switch to talking about McCain, Palin or another tactic. They know he isn't qualified so how can they really answer.

Posted by: Cryos | October 8, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

"What, because he spent 26 yrs in the senate, and whose dealings with one Charles Keating lead to one banking meltdown and he now presides over another, the result of his ardent and strident advocation for deregulation?"Posted by: tydicea

I guess I have to repeat McCain's statement again. I know the media driven "republican deregulation" is the popular theme but maybe you can actually think for yourself (I know its a really extreme risky idea).


"I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac--known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs--and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO's report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO's report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay. I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation." Senator John S. McCain - May 25, 2006 on the Senate floor.

Posted by: Cryos | October 8, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

tydicea - yeah thanks for answer the question with questions, typical response means you have nothing to bring to the table in terms of qualifications let along a rational answer. I enjoy the hint at racism too - brilliant work.
BTW he was exonerated in the dealings with Keating and the other 4 for democrats - you provide nothing with that argument.
What you gloss over in his Hanoi experience and years in the senate is telling and it is something tyat Obama DOES NOT HAVE.
1) A record of SERVING this country. The country that he loves. VS someone who has a record of serving his handlers in Chicago. A record, that if he shares it with his wife, his pastor of 20 years, his friends that he began his campaign with, is that which is not full of pride in the country resides in.
2) Experience: You may not like his years of service for whatever reason, but let's it is sure a hell of a lot better than 2 years if senate experience ~75% of the time has been spent on the campaign trail.

I could go on but what's the point... I asked for Obama's qualifications, asked for no deflections, no 'answer it with a question' (which again is typical for followers of the empty suit).

Posted by: Connormn | October 8, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Cryos - I hear ya... It's always funny how these boards shut up when I ask the question though. The last one glommed onto the one where I forgot to ask to not be answered with more questions or a deflection. oops! I've nver gotten an answer, not one. I think there is fear in posting the answers... lot's of leaders in history spoke well and rallied the people... not all of them would we care to have as a leader of our country. Unfortunately too many people equate charisma and being well-spoken on stage with being a leader. Didn't Robin Williams make a movie about that? Sigh.

Posted by: Connormn | October 8, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Cryos, my question to your cohort Connormn is what makes McCain qualified to be president of these united states, and leader of the free world? It is simple question which you, supposedly having independent thought, should readily be able to articulate. Inquiring minds are still waiting!

Posted by: tydicea | October 8, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Cryos, Did you not watch the debate last night... and read the evaluations of the public this morning. Obama's presentation leads one to believe he has greater understanding of of the financial crisis than McCain. We really do not know how well he will be able to lead but it is very difficult to imagine how he could do as bad as the Bush administration and its supporters have done over the almost 8 years and that does include Senator McCain as a supporter of Bush.

Posted by: Thependulumswings | October 8, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"Cryos, my question to your cohort Connormn is what makes McCain qualified to be president of these united states, and leader of the free world?"

How about you answer the question regarding Obama first? He asks a question and you in turn don't answer it and instead ask a question and then you think we are obligated to answer your question first? Sorry I don't really care how important people think they are they can't try demanding things like that.

Posted by: Cryos | October 8, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

"Cryos - I hear ya... It's always funny how these boards shut up when I ask the question though. The last one glommed onto the one where I forgot to ask to not be answered with more questions or a deflection. oops! I've nver gotten an answer, not one. I think there is fear in posting the answers... lot's of leaders in history spoke well and rallied the people... not all of them would we care to have as a leader of our country. Unfortunately too many people equate charisma and being well-spoken on stage with being a leader. Didn't Robin Williams make a movie about that? Sigh.

Posted by: Connormn"

Yep right on. A lot of people would rather have someone that will rock them to sleep and tell them everything is ok than someone who will tell them how it is. Yeah the boards usually do go silent when you pursue questions like that I see the EXACT same thing. However once other people post unrelated posts the liberals start firing up again because they can pretend they didn't see the question.

Posted by: Cryos | October 8, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"Or is it that he is a white man?
Let's hear your thoughts!


Posted by: tydicea"

Lol to add to my note I especially don't feel obligated to respond to petty racists. I love how the Obama campaign scrambled when Palin was chosen for VP since they based a majority of their strategy on class and cultural warfare and he blew it out of the water. If people want to blame white males for everything bad fine but to be fair we better blame them for everything. Lets also blame them for the development of the majority of technology and modern civilization.

Posted by: Cryos | October 8, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Inquiring minds? I got an answer that consisted of a question. WTG dude. 2 so far above... throw me a bone here on qualifications, not deflections.

Posted by: Connormn | October 8, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"how many college students knew what Fannie/Freddie were before all this?"

Those would be the millions who study accounting and finance, real estate, and economics.

But somebody who never went to college wouldn't know about those things.

Posted by: jmcgill1 | October 8, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I don't really care how important people think they are they can't try demanding things like that. Posted by: Cryos

That's what I thought. You are clueless as to what makes him qualified, and unable to put forward a substantive argument to support your position other than to say his opponent isn't qualified. Have a good day, gentlemen!

Posted by: tydicea | October 8, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

jrubin1:

We aren't so much a country of haves and have-nots, so much as a country of haves and never-gonna-gets.

Posted by: neon_bunny | October 8, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

jmcgill1 I have a college degree - I like the claim that there are millions studying that. funny. what about the rest that aren't in college? See I didn't include those people, wouldn't want to be called any names. Nice try on the college degree though... swing and a miss.

Posted by: Connormn | October 8, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Conmoron and Cyclops: Are you kidding? OK, let's go:
Barack Obama is a brilliant scholar, a graduate of Columbia and Harvard Law School where he was President of the Law Review. John McCain graduated 894 out of 899 from the Naval Academy.
Barack Obama turned down big job offers to become a community organizer in Chicago, leading a successful voter registration drive. He then took state office for 8 years, addressing the issues of importance to his constituents. In the Illinois State Senate, this meant working with both Democrats and Republicans to help working families get ahead by creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit, which in three years provided over $100 million in tax cuts to families across the state. He also pushed through an expansion of early childhood education, and after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases. To get THAT bipartisan effort through the Illinois legislature, with support of the police, was remarkable.

In the U.S. Senate, he has focused on tackling the challenges of a globalized, 21st century world. His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent. He has also been the lead voice in championing ethics reform that would root out Jack Abramoff-style corruption in Congress.

As a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after Iraq and Afghanistan. Recognizing the terrorist threat posed by weapons of mass destruction, he traveled to Russia with Republican Dick Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world. And he's worked legislatively to bring auto companies, unions, farmers, businesses and politicians of both parties together to promote the greater use of alternative fuels and higher fuel standards in our cars. Objective sources have reviewed his record and found him active and engaged in his elected offices. And he has the favor of youth; I'm sorry you don't want any comparisons, but John McCain's 72 years showed up last night in stark relief on my HDTV. He appeared old and halting; having picked the monumentally unprepared and unqualified Sarah Palin as his running mate, McCain's age and health are of paramount concern. So, yes, Sen. Obama is fully qualified. Has he become a fossilized fixture in the Senate like Sen. McCain -- no. But he doesn't pretend to be. We need a 21st century man with 21st century ideas to solve the mess the likes of McCain have foisted upon us. And finally, do either of you cretins truly believe that Sen. Obama didn't match up with Sen. McCain onstage last night? The proof is there -- Obama appeared presidential, commanding and calm; McCain angry, grumpy and disrespectful. Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran indeed. Case closed, turn out the lights, a rotund woman is humming ...

Posted by: Omyobama | October 8, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

McCain's "new" plan just shows how thoroughly he misunderstands the "perfect storm" of circumstances which lead to the present financial crisis. He thinks he's going to order Meg Whitman to directly assume all these bad debts? I don't think so. Does McCain think he can win the election by sewing up the "mortgagees in default" vote? If being bailed out of mortgage debt is a right, why isn't health care?

The conservatives understandably fear that McCain has offered a communist solution to the financial woes of the country. Gosh, if Lenin had had the complete lack of charisma demonstrated by McCain, there would have been no Soviet Union or any other Marxist nation.

Posted by: JerryinLA | October 8, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

"I don't really care how important people think they are they can't try demanding things like that. Posted by: Cryos

That's what I thought. You are clueless as to what makes him qualified, and unable to put forward a substantive argument to support your position other than to say his opponent isn't qualified. Have a good day, gentlemen!

Posted by: tydicea | October 8, 2008 3:38 PM "

And you're a snooty blowhard who thinks you don't have to answer questions other people ask but that you can demand they answer your questions. Well guess what you don't always get your way.

Posted by: Cryos | October 8, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

to all - I never said Obama wasn't qualified, I asked the simple question of how he was qualified - anyone care to answer yet without another quesiton or a deflection. I've answered it with 2 items, cancertainly add more if I were to actually get a rational response. Big T cut and run though... like his party wanted to do with Iraq.

Posted by: Connormn | October 8, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"McCain's "new" plan just shows how thoroughly he misunderstands the "perfect storm" of circumstances which lead to the present financial crisis."

CAN YOU PEOPLE READ?????????????????

Let me post McCains statement AGAIN. How about you show how Obama showed 1 shred of foresight in this situation.

"I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac--known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs--and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO's report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO's report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay. I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation." Senator John S. McCain - May 25, 2006 on the Senate floor.

Posted by: Cryos | October 8, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

OmyObama you list some legislative achievements I agree are good experience but to me some of them are a stretch.

"Barack Obama is a brilliant scholar, a graduate of Columbia and Harvard Law School where he was President of the Law Review."

And why is it that if he is so great he never published any papers or actually DID anything while the president of the law review?

"Barack Obama turned down big job offers to become a community organizer in Chicago, leading a successful voter registration drive.-------Yeah teamed up with ACORN the voter fraud specialist; great experience for Chicago politics you are right about that.


"He then took state office for 8 years, addressing the issues of importance to his constituents. In the Illinois State Senate, this meant working with both Democrats and Republicans to help working families get ahead by creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit, which in three years provided over $100 million in tax cuts to families across the state."

He did not ONCE produce or sponser any bipartisan legislation and actually voted left of what is considered liberal in Illinois. Tax cuts? I also would like to know how you can "cut" 0.

Your post insinuates this bipartisanship but OBAMA HAS NOT ONCE DONE ANYTHING RISKY FOR ANYTHING BIPARTISAN. He votes 97% democratic party line and has not ONCE done ANY risky bipartisan legislation.

Here is a link to an analysis of bipartisanship based on voting records and bill sponsors.

washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/15/records-show-mccain-more-bipartisan/

Posted by: Cryos | October 8, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

ok I've asked a simple question here - I thank OmyObama for actually answering it. You discredit yourself a bit in calling me a cretin. The posts here explain a lot - simple questions and critical thought are met with being inferred as racist, being accused of not being college educated and being called a 'cretin'. Go through your qualifications statement and remove the subjective pieces - you really aren't left with much - i.e. resume form. Unfortunately you then go one to rip on a guy for being old - I'll infer that ageism is ok but racism is not. I question objective sources who say voting 120+ times 'present' instead of 'yay or nay' as being engaged - That does not show leadership. If you don't like how JM looks on TV, that's ashame. He is unable to move parts of his body due to the past, I'd say you carry a pretty crass POV in that regard. I'me the 'cretin' though. - oh there you can quote me!

Posted by: Connormn | October 8, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

OK Cryos, you're on. McCain's support for S.190 was covered in another blog, and it's easy to look up on Thomas. S.190 was introduced Jan 2005, 17 months before McCain released that statement in May 2006. Not only was he not one of the original two sponsors, the bill had left conmmittee (not one of his committees) and died on the floor a year before he made this statement. If he felt that strongly about it, he sure wasn't putting a lot of chips into getting it passed. As to the bill itself, it's not clear what changes it would have made that would have prevented this crisis. It forbids golden parachutes for misbehving Fannie and Freddie execs, which is commendable but not really a market-breaking issue, and it seeks to clarify that Fannie and Freddie can operate only in the secondary market - i.e. buying mortgages from loan originators. Since the secondary mortgage loan market is one of the sources of the current liquidity crisis, again it's hard to see how Senator McCain's dead parrot of a bill would have saved the day. somebody must have dug long and deep in McCain's "dear Colleague" files to find this very tenuous evidence of his zeal to regulate the banking sector BEFORE all hell broke loose. Is this all they found?

Posted by: rhinoceri | October 8, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Cryos - Good Luck, you're a great American - enough fun for a day here... crickets.

Posted by: Connormn | October 8, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

My take on the McCain plan was to build the audience with personal attacks ahead of time then attack Obama on policy in the debate. McCain's problem is so much of McCain policy is burdened by having to be acceptable to the base but does not appeal to the swing voter. Secondly Obama is able to communicate better than McCain so the McCain thrusts are sidestepped.

The Obama plan was clear from the time of his acceptance speech. He planned to talk about the middle class and the problems they were having. He established his credibility using the economic problems as they stood before the credit freeze up. His plan was temporarily interrupted by the nomination of Sarah Palin. He kept on hammering at the economy which even in the absence of the bank problem was clearly deteriorating but the magnitude of the concern was amplified by the crisis.

Even with the crisis going Obama switched to health care as the main topic with the economy as the background theme. He may have another subject that he wants to talk about as well but as far as I can see Obama caught peoples eyes with the economy, he added his steadiness as a performer in the debates that was a stark contrast to McCain. And now he has hooked them with health care where the benefits to the middle class are great, greater than I think is appreciated at the present time.

I think the absence of the word maverick last night and the name Palin maybe an acknowledgment that his vice presidential candidates usefulness has ceased with the voters he needs to win. If that is the case there must also be the realization that if Bush does not manufacture a crisis abroad or a attack here that McCain's chances lie with serendipity and not in his control.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 8, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

McCain is confusing the crazies that listen to Hannity and show up at his rallies yelling "terrorist!" with the sea of other more sane Americans. Because his hateful and absurd tactics are working on those lunatics somehow he thinks they will work on the rest of us. He is way off in terms of his commercials, stump tone, and use of "That one" at the debate. Yes, that rallies the lunies, but not normal Americans, Mr. McCain. You've lost all touch with reality.

Posted by: bmorebent | October 8, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Ummmm...when did bipartisanship become a qualification for being President - one thing that was missed in the list of qualifications to become president? Do you doubt that Senator Obama CAN work across the aisle - check out some of the things that people who have worked with him have said about his ability to build consensus.

Not stated in the list of qualifications above is the fact that the Illinois legislature combines the interests of urban upstate representatives with those of downstate rurual represenatives; a successful legislator needs to be able to balance the two.

Last but not least, here is a general description of the duties of the President of the HLR:

"The President took primary responsibility for the selection and editing of articles, but he often called on third-year members of the Board for assistance in this task.

He's not there to publish.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 8, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

"somebody must have dug long and deep in McCain's "dear Colleague" files to find this very tenuous evidence of his zeal to regulate the banking sector BEFORE all hell broke loose. Is this all they found?"

McCain, Bush (yes even Bush) and other republicans repeatedly (at least 17 times) requested and inquired into regulating Fannie/Freddie so you wouldn't have to dig very far. If they really didnt try to do anything home come barney made this statement?

""''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''

Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.

''I don't see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,'' Mr. Watt said. """

IE getting poor people homes is more important than economic concerns. Glad we have someone so brilliant as the chair of the financial services committee. I guess I can understand on the basis of this why nothing was done and Dodd and Barney didn't see it coming.


query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

Posted by: Cryos | October 8, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

McCain was doing his best "Mr. Burns" impression last night. A soft spoken but crabby and wicked old man. It truly amazes me how people are still jocking McCain. The guy's flopped around like a dying fish. He picks up Palin and she proved to be slightly more verbally adept and have barely more of an idea of how the world works than my two year old son. She relishes stirring up negative emotions in people to point where they're literally screaming, "kill him" and shouting racial slurs at black men. This sounds lot like how the lynch mobs back home in the South got stirred up. No one knows anything about how Palin views people of other ethnicities. Absolutely nothing. If Obama were to win, I am very concerned that there will be acts of hate motivated violence against black people, especially black men after Palin and McCain's negative campaign. We saw what happened among the Democrats after Clinton did her thing. Now, we're talking about people who are hardcore, dyed in the wool bigots who are partial to Palin. In all seriousness, neither McCain nor Palin are showing any real concern for the wellbeing of our country after it has become very apparent that they are stirring up some extremely negative emotions in people and they aren't toning down their rhetoric. Should McCain win, he's going to stir up some really negative emotions on another side of the fence that go beyond mere partisanship. McCain shows no aptitude for strategic thinking. He is a short term, tactical thinker. Palin has shown signs of strategic thinking but she's also demonstrated that she misses the details and doesn't learn from experience which is dangerous when you're running a country. Say what you want about them, Obama and Biden have demonstrated large capacities for strategic thinking and critical eyes for detail which are critical skills to possess when you're that far up the food chain. Partisanship is great but we've seen what happens when a short term thinker is in the driver's seat.

Posted by: ehperkins1971 | October 8, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm still waiting for Cryos to explain what makes McCain qualified to be president.

After all Omyobama gave some wonderful examples as to what Obama has done that shows his skills.

I would also add that fact that Obama will be far, FAR more welcomed by the international community which we will NEED to work closely with to get back on track. Obama has been steady in his campaign, and despite the fact that there is a great deal of dirt to throw at the McCain/Palin camp he has attempted to keep his focus on what really matters. HE didn't try to move the focus off the economy with dishonorable slurs and weak accusations. McCain.... oh excuse me his VP Palin might have fluffed up a few extremists (Kill him!) but for the most part the effort was insulting to the American people.

On a purely personal note I am ashamed that Palin is from Alaska, and I ask you all to forgive our state for falling victim to her Acceptance speech charm. We didn't have a crisis to bring out her true colors soon enough.

Posted by: GirlfromAlaska | October 8, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Any credibility or honor McCain may have had once are now completely gone. McCain is UNFIT TO SERVE.

Posted by: Russell4America | October 8, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

RollingStone: Make-Believe Maverick
A closer look at the life and career of John McCain reveals a disturbing record of recklessness and dishonesty

By TIM DICKINSON Posted Oct 16, 2008 12:00 AM

Posted by: TheByzantine | October 8, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

What I find appalling is that so many democrats I know would have been easily swayed toward the McCain camp had he chosen a qualified VP and stuck to his guns on the issues he originally championed.

It's so amazing and so terribly sad, since, as a fellow veteran, I felt so sorry for him and wanted to rush to his defense when Rove and his cowardly, draft-dodging crew were trying to destroy him in 2004.

Later, while working at the MIA Detachment in Ha Noi, I walked through the ruins of the nearby 'Hanoi Hilton' on several occasions and I could almost feel the desperation of the men who had lived and struggled there in captivity for so many years. When they tore it down in 1994, some of the Joint Task Force personnel posted to the MIA compound grabbed an SUV full of bricks from the demolition and began selling them to visiting tourists for five dollars a piece. Every brick I looked at reminded me of John McCain, the maverick Senator from Arizona that I have respected for so long in my life.

I simply cannot believe that the McCain we are seeing now is the real man -- it's almost as if he's been taken over by some sinister, evil organization and forced into the role of puppet.

Truly, if one thinks about it, it really does seem that way, for a number of reasons -- especially with his choice of Palin, which has obviously cost him many millions of votes.

I'm an old man now, but I know this: Something is wrong with this picture, and it is bone-chilling.

.

Posted by: saj_pratt | October 8, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

I think McCain showed his experience and knowledge, and expressed the importance of having an experienced President during a time of war and economic disaster. Obama seems to have trouble with not being able to get the last word in... reminds me of being 5 when my parents would tell me I wasn't going to get a toy and that was final! I still whined.. just as he did.
Posted by: jelinville
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I was reminded of the cranky, old grandfather who embarrasses everybody by his strange, incomprehensible remarks. You know, the one who just won't shut up and take his Metamucil.

Posted by: lgaide | October 8, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/that-one.html

Tuesday, October 07, 2008

"That One"

What a very odd thing for McCain to say.

McCain repeatedly invoked the need for a "steady hand on the tiller" tonight--for someone who will be calm and cool in the crises that the upcoming years will present us.

Yet this is a man who is utterly unable to contain his contempt--even on a night when, even as Bill Bennett says, he needed to "break through", and even when such a strange expression of disdain could only highlight pettiness, anger and partisanship that voters wish that candidates would steer away from in the greater interest of the nation.

McCain's fundamental position--one from which he finds his momentum and meaning--is so often one of a contemptuous anger for those who do not understand what he believes he has learned--e.g., "them".

This is the impulsive, gut-driven, black and white thinking that we have seen throughout the campaign.

We have had 8 years of a President driven by impulsive, black and white, gut-driven, categorical thinking. In those 8 years, from a position that manifested from the very start an angry, assumed knowledge, and a contempt for the position of others, we have now seen the results.

So this time: choose that one.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/that-one.html

Posted by: caraprado1 | October 8, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Strategy? Or Stratagem?

John McCain's campaign is careening wildly between the high and low roads lately-- a whiplash ride that suggests a growing desperation—and they are now throwing the sink at Obama to. Today, Cindy “crack head” McCain got into action by invoking and politicizing her son’s deployment, which they have previously said they will never do! And Sarah “Airhead” Palin stuck to her tone deaf usual gibberish about nothing. And finally, McCain was his usual erratic self. Incoherent bunch, indeed.

They have no strategy. They are deploying stratagem, instead.

Posted by: JHigginss | October 9, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Dlennis-- you are the worst kind of degenerate moron. Sarah Palin was publicly blessed to protect her from witchcraft--now is not the time to be pointing fingers at random comments made by Reverend Wright which were publicly denounced by Obama. Your party is full of flagrant freedom hating homophobes--I would be careful about your analogies. Stop being such a semi-literate reject and wake up. McCain is not fit to tie Obama's shoes. sorry to be the one to break it to you.

Posted by: worthin2 | October 9, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

McCain's war experience section in his resume can be summed in a few sentences.

1. Crashed 5 fighter jets. Mostly because of pilot error.

2. Went to Vietnam to bomb power stations. Before he could get to it he was shot down and spent the next 4 years in Hanoi prison.

3. Came back from Vietnam and became a grumpy old man.

Now he thinks he can tackle all the foreign policy issues because he was shot down in Vietnam. I wonder how he is going to deal with Putin after publicly saying that he saw the letters K.G.B. when he looked into Putin's eyes. Oh, he has a plan for Russia already. He will move the veepee office to Alaska so that the lipstick queen can look out for Putin raising his head through her kitchen window.

Posted by: JimFargo | October 9, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Note to Connorm and Cryos:

Obama's qualifications for POTUS are:

1) Born in U.S. and still a citizen.

2) 35 years of age or older.

3) 270+ Electoral College votes on 4 Nov. 2008.

Cheers.

Posted by: mackenziedavid | October 9, 2008 2:26 AM | Report abuse

It is hard to believe that there is anyone who 1) thinks McCane has either the knowlowedge or temperment be president and 2) thinks he picked as a running mate someone who could become president--for those that do they have been eating too many mushrooms.

Posted by: anders1 | October 9, 2008 3:43 AM | Report abuse

People seemed surprised that McCain didn't introduce Ayers and Wright into the mix. The simple answer lies in "bomb bomb Iran" that Obama so skillfully turned back in McCain's face.

The Ayers/Wright dodge only works when it can't be responded to. If he were to bring it up in a debate, Obama would reply that when they met Ayers was considered a respected academic who was awarded the honor of Chicago Citizen of the year in 1997 and who was given a multi-million dollar a year grant by a friend of Ronald Reagan, so it didn't occur to him to ask what Ayers had been doing when Obama was 8. However, he sure wants to know what McCain was thinking when he sat in a banquet for the Oregon Citizens Alliance (a virulent anti-gay group) and ate their food and stood up and gave their keynote address after the invocation prayer by Marilyn Shannon praised a local woman who had shot an abortion doctor, and why Ms Shannon, a woman with such domestic terrorist sympathies was one of the delegates at the convention that nominated him for President. And then Obama would want to know why Gov Palin had recorded a welcome for the Alaska secession movement convention just this spring, a group founded by a guy who said "When the [federal] bureaucrats come after me, I suggest they wear red coats. They make better targets" and to whom she just told to "keep up the good work", and to which her husband belongs.

If McCAin was still dumb enough to bring up Wright after that, Obama would have to say "well, Rev Wright and I may not agree on everything, but his words, whether clumsy or not, were calling this nation out for torture and unjust war and extraordinary rendition and demading that the United States of America adhere to a higher standard. But Obama will want to know what Gov Palin was thinking when she sat in the pew and listened to the preacher who said that violence in Israel was part of God's judgment against non-Christians, then credited him with her election to governor, while meanwhile her regular pastor stood by the Israel remarks later.

So you see, McCain can only use the "snark" attack on Obama, because the honest face to face attack would backfire on him.

Posted by: patriot16 | October 9, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Both Theodore Roosevelt, and his Cousin Franklin Delano Roosevelt, based their politics on their admiration of William Jennings Bryan, who would have been much Greater, had he had the Oxford Education the he and his father desired and planned for Bryan. Something Similar could be said for Winston Churchill. America's three most indispensable men, were George Washington, John Jay and his Two Jay's Treaties, and General William Tecumseh Sherman, the Greatest Strategist since Alexander the Great. Sherman founded the US Army War College, which trained Majors, Lieutenant Colonels and Colonels how to be Generals; the US Navy and the US Air Force copied Sherman's US Army War College, creating the Modern American Military. Sherman turned down the Presidency, because he had more important things to do. His Memoirs led to the successful campaign against the Philippine's Moro's; Basil A. Liddell-Hart, British Military Writer based his entire career on interpreting Sherman, Armored Tanks, Strategy, and Defense of The West, and his bucking Up of General Patton, who began to have doubts about Armor, led to Patton's Greatest successes and achievements. Unlike the Northern Kingdom of Israel, which rejected the advice of the Prophet Amos, the Two Presidents Roosevelt heeded their Amos. Today's Upper Class, basically the same morally and politically corrupt Republicans that Sherman so despised; once again are rejecting the advice of Amos. The should remember that all that was Lost of the Ten Lost Tribes was the Upper Class, who were replaced by the Good Samaritans. Like the Northern Kingdom of Israel, in 726 BC, the US may need to Lose its Upper Class; they may become the New Ten Lost Tribes. Remember that Aristotle used the word Practical, the way most folks use the word Moral. Charles Sanders Peirce named his Philosophy, Pragmatism, as an Insider Joke, a fancy way of saying Practicalism. Along the same lines, see Barbra Oakley's new book, "Evil Genes." Persons with a Great Concentration of Good Genes, rise to the top; but so do those with a Great Concentration of Evil Genes.

Posted by: Xeno77777 | October 10, 2008 2:59 AM | Report abuse

I think we all missed it... McCain was winding himself up into a right and royal rage....

He is offended beyond words that a black man is the better candidate for POTUS...and his distress built during the debate until he ignored Obama's offer of a handshake, and was so offended to see the audience smiling and posing for pictures with Obama and the beautiful Michelle that he left the stage abruptly... thus the watching world saw all the people in the room smiling and shaking hands with and posing with, and exchanging words with Barack and Michells Obama, with the snide, hateful, angry, spiteful enraged McCain and is equally duplicious wife no where to be seen.

Posted by: dutchess2 | October 10, 2008 6:44 AM | Report abuse

saj-pratt

I just saw your post. And I hope you will feel better, or at least differently to know something important.

John McCain grew up the spoiled military brat lifestyle, a grandson of an esteemed General, the son of a hard drinking often gone father, a hot-dogging pilot that lost a total of three planes, some say five, because of it, the last one netting him time as POW, where he did quickly break and talk as his fellow POW's did not.

From early adulthood he was a womanizer, and continued until he had been shacking up with Cindy almost a full year before he even told his wife and children he was gone.

Throughout his long public career he has resorted to terrible rages in a split second, a lack of self discipline that absolutely cannot ever be allowed in our White House even in the best of times. And its not the best of times... it is the worst of times. We need a steady hand, someone flexible enough and willing and dedicated enough to make the self sacrifices as well as lead the nation through the sacrifices we need to make to come through them.

John McCain does not even have convictions, or the courage of them, to face someone to say to their face what he will send his wife or some other woman out to say behind their back.

You may be a more worthy citizen than John McCain, and you must not feel badly to have his true nature known.

Posted by: dutchess2 | October 10, 2008 6:55 AM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: hclark1 | October 10, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

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