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The VP Debate: Palin's Big Mistake

It's hard to look past the strangeness of tonight's vice presidential debate and assess it as if it had been a normal debate. But it's our job to try.

I thought Sarah Palin made one huge, central mistake -- and I expect it to be reflected in surveys asking voters who won (as it is already, indeed, reflected in a CBS snap poll of uncommitted voters indicating that they saw Joe Biden as the winner). Her error was that she hardly talked at all about policy solutions, except when the debate got onto the subject of energy and offshore drilling. There, she seemed on terra firma. But on everything else -- the financial crisis, the economy in general, health care, the war on terror -- she gave little more than promises of reform and "maverick"-y governance.

People are paying attention to the candidates in this election. Americans understand the stakes. Whatever you think of Palin's mugging, eye-rolling and other theatrics -- some viewers doubtless saw it as evidence of freshness, resolve and spunk; others, like Lou Grant in the old Mary Tyler Moore show, must have been muttering "I hate spunk" -- you still wanted to hear what she and John McCain proposed to do about the mess we're in. That was something she didn't deliver, and my hunch is that we'll hear that assessment from voters in the coming days.

By Eugene Robinson  | October 3, 2008; 12:10 AM ET
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I grew up in a small, midwestern, farm town. In this extended presentation, Palin appeared to reveal her folksie voice is not her natural speaking voice. She seems to adopt it when she is attempting to be endearing. As a result, to a real folksie person like me of which there aren't that many but which tend to be congregated in swing states, Palin's folksie talk sounds false and patronizing. She doesn't have my trust.

Posted by: CaptainTC | October 3, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

The best line of the night was "If she wants to be stronger than Cheney, she'll need to invade a few more countries."
Thanks Gene.

Posted by: dcrhm2 | October 3, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

The "Can I call you Joe" was a set-up for:

"Say it ain't so, Joe, there you go again pointing backwards again."

This was planned to be a zinger.

Posted by: cthehill | October 3, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

See Out Takes From The Practice Debates.
http://www.mccanes.com/watchdebate.html

Most People are saying Biden Won the debate, to participate in a national poll go to http://www.watchdebate.com

Posted by: pastor123 | October 3, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

A maverick is a stray calf. It doesnt follow the herd, but it doesnt lead either.
For more on mavericks, read the cover story in this issue of Rolling Stone.

My Obamanation watch party scored Biden #1, McCain #2, Obama #3 and Palin #4.

Posted by: katalina911 | October 3, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

cthehill nailed it. "Can I call you Joe?" was a patently obvious set-up to deliver a "zinger" scripted by her from someone who thinks they possess a sense of humor.

Biden won both on points as well as delivery, especially his second half. This Palin "folksiness" comes across as phony.

Posted by: Oomingmak | October 3, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Eugene's opinion of the debate was very spot on. As a voter I can't stress how scary I felt when Palin answered that she felt that the Vice Presidential powers need to be expanded. That is scary because she is nothing more than a talking point. She was condescending when Joe Biden spoke about his family and he choked up. Her response was about McCain being a maverick. The only thing Palin proved tonight is that she has a good memory and that her cramming session this week provided her with 10 more talking points to add to her repertoire.

Posted by: gb1969 | October 3, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Before the DNC convention, I was for McCain. After the DNC convention, I was for Obama. After the RNC convention, I was for McCain (not only because of Palin). After the 1st Pres. debate, I was slightly for Obama (even though I believe McCain won) because of Palin's interviews. I was worried for her in tonight's debate. But lo and behold. She spanked him big time! I'm totally sold out for McCain/Palin. No more flip-flopping. Obama is self-rightehous messiah wanna-bee. Biden showed who really is - a lying politician. So what if Sarah didn't understand 'Achilles Heel'? Big deal. Go McCain/Palin. You have my vote and the vote of my whole clan of 1000 people!

Posted by: FlipFlopper | October 3, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Good analysis, Gene. Thank you. I thought her folksy style came across as forced and phony.

There is something about this debate that is bothering me a great deal. Am I the only one who noticed that there was not one single discussion of women's issues?

Here we had a debate with only the 2nd woman VP candidate in history, moderated by a woman, and yet there was absolutely no discussion of equal pay for women, abortion rights, women's healthcare....there was nothing.

I am incredulous that Gwen Ifill didn't ask either candidate about women's issues. It was a GLARING omission.

Posted by: elscott | October 3, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Watch the polls go another 4 points for Obama in the next few days. Watch McCain get testier and testier. Should be an interesting debate next week.

Posted by: thebobbob | October 3, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Wow! Three cheers for Palin. What a comeback. Now the McCain campaign must get her out on the talk shows. Right away. Its only 5 weeks till the election and you can win it.

Get her on the air everyday. She needs to sell McCain. He is a great American. He puts himself on the line for what he believes in time and again. Palin knows that. She would do the same and she can put the point across. Go for it!

Posted by: newton11 | October 3, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

"Governor Sarah Palin may have repeatedly deflected tonight questions from debate moderator Ms. Gwen Ifill to pronouncements about motherhood and apple pie," opined Dr. Jay Layknow, Dean of the School of Journalism at Arizona State University, "but I give her credit for not saying things like 'motherhood is the shining beacon of light atop an apple pie.' So I give her an A+ in that regard."

Posted by: AMemberofHumanSociety | October 3, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Ms. Palin should return to Alaska, complete her term, and run for the Senate. If she is interested in being VP at that point after serving in that capacity, she should revisit this position. She is not ready to be second in command at such a pivotal and critical point in history. As I have said, she seems to be a nice person, but we need a skilled statesman.

Posted by: hakafos44 | October 3, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Not only was there no substance to her performance, but to me, the "Sarah Palin character" is the most annoying I've ever seen on the political stage. She still both terrifies and infuriates me, though. All the experts advised Biden to hold back and not attack her- he did a great job, but I would've loved to see him knock her off her script.

Posted by: auramac | October 3, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Elscott:"There is something about this debate that is bothering me a great deal. Am I the only one who noticed that there was not one single discussion of women's issues?"

Actually, Biden did bring up passing legislation spefically for women, each time McCain voted no. He tried to interject women's issues. Palin just obfuscated it.

Posted by: tazmodious | October 3, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

Governor Palin scored big time! Apparently the McCain campaign handlers listened and allowed Sarah to be Sarah. Joe Biden had all the facts - after 30 years in the senate, he should. Given more than five weeks Sarah Palin will have all the facts - AND she will know what to do with them.

She was relaxed and comfortable. Joe Biden was a little stiff and at times a little riled. He was being out-charmed and he knew it.

Posted by: Kansas28 | October 3, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

I thought she did better than the extremely low bar that was set, but that's not saying much. She spoke in generalities and didn't give any specifics, even with her copious notes she had to keep looking at. Her put-on accent and winking appeared forced and phony. I thought Joe won handily. He was respectful, thoughtful and showed he has the experience and gravitas to be President should the unthinkable happen. I don't think she can erase the fact she's a punchline with one average debate. Don't look for more interviews with her either, I think those days are done!

Posted by: radio3142 | October 3, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

She mentioned the phrase 'team of mavericks'..... I keep visualizing a herd of cats.

But seriously, the definition of a maverick (singular) is: " a person who refuses to conform to a party or group."

So how can you have a 'team of them' ?


Posted by: Wassans | October 3, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

I was astonished at how poor Palin's performance was. American's are highly stressed and highly worried, and looking for leadership -- she was one long run-on dodge-ball... Game set and match --- now Obama/Biden get to work through this phenomenal economic mess...

Posted by: jbh1 | October 3, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

Pitbull no real bite,
chewed only on training toys.

Wants to be like godfather Chenney.

Posted by: ElMugroso | October 3, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Just one more thing, I can't believe she can't say NUCLEAR! Sometimes it was nucular sometimes it was nuculear, which was interesting, but still WRONG!

Posted by: radio3142 | October 3, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Palin's main presentation problem in tonight's debate was too much smiling. Have you ever, in your lifetime seen a VP candidate who just could not seem to stop grinning? Tonight Palin kept smiling at the most inappropriate times.

I have this nightmare scario in my head. Palin on TV on one of those nightmarish crisis SPECIAL REPORTS that break into the regular programing. The announcer says "And now the President of the United States.."

And there is Sarah grinning behind the Oval Office desk.

"Well, hi there, all you regular folks out there. So glad you could tune in and see me without the liberal media tell'in ya what's go'in on. (wink).

Ya know, I gotta tell ya somethin. Those pesky Russian have reared their head. (cocks her head to one side, and rolls eyes upward)"

We then learn that something awful has occurred, a ship has been captured, or a plane is down, or an embassy attacked. Sarah puts on her serious face. But guess what? You're not really sure its serious because President Palin, our fearless leader, simply cannot stop smiling for more than 60 seconds at a time.

I can't help but wonder if this is one reason women don't seem to take to her. They simply see through the act.

Posted by: robin1 | October 3, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

But seriously, the definition of a maverick (singular) is: "a person who refuses to conform to a party or group."

So how can you have a 'team of them' ? -Wassans-
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Definition also "head of cattle that lost way and is astray".
That's dictionary.

But truth is they met each other just recently.

Posted by: ElMugroso | October 3, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

I am right with gb1969: Palin's comment regarding the expansion of the VP's power was the single most frightening comment she made. For a campaign that is openly distancing itself from Bush/Cheney, and given Cheney's abysmal ratings, to suddenly align herself with Cheney on the expansive role of the VP seems to me an astounding strategic gaffe. She eschews activist judges, and she wants to be an activist VP.

Her talking points on the need for federal regulation of the markets and the minimalist role that government should play were inconsistent.

I am an independent; I am not enamored with either set of candidates. In my evaluation she is probably capable of forming a coherent view, but so far she is far too erratic and unproven on these issues to be entrusted with such power.

Posted by: nmb52 | October 3, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Just one more thing, I can't believe she can't say NUCLEAR! Sometimes it was nucular sometimes it was nuculear, which was interesting, but still WRONG!

Posted by: radio3142 | October 3, 2008 1:24 AM
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In the Bush "Doctrine" it actually is "No-Clear weapons of mass destruction". So she's not too far off.

Posted by: ElMugroso | October 3, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

I thought her remark "the white flag of surrender" was insulting to a man of Joe Biden's integrity. She should apologise. If America is taken in by her George Bush-like personality then more fool you. Have you not had enough of smart ass politicians? All chat and no substance. How many questions did she actually answer?

Posted by: patch1 | October 3, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse

Can I call you joe...was sooooo fake. Come on Palin, even mavericks have to be themselves.

Posted by: kohsar240 | October 3, 2008 1:33 AM | Report abuse

Before the DNC convention, I was for McCain. After the DNC convention, I was for Obama. After the RNC convention, I was for McCain (not only because of Palin). After the 1st Pres. debate, I was slightly for Obama (even though I believe McCain won) because of Palin's interviews. I was worried for her in tonight's debate. But lo and behold. She spanked him big time! I'm totally sold out for McCain/Palin. No more flip-flopping. Obama is self-rightehous messiah wanna-bee. Biden showed who really is - a lying politician. So what if Sarah didn't understand 'Achilles Heel'? Big deal. Go McCain/Palin. You have my vote and the vote of my whole clan of 1000 people!

Posted by: FlipFlopper | October 3, 2008 12:59 AM
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Anyone who contends they were for Obama less than a week ago, but who now finds him to be a "self-rightehous messiah wanna-bee" is full of sh-t. Please copy and paste your nonsense elsewhere.

Posted by: smc91 | October 3, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

When Pitbull can't chew on bone, says "I've been here only six weeks".
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Otherwise says "I can handle anything'.
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Bad.

Posted by: ElMugroso | October 3, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Biden was the clear winner. The big question is whether voters will see through Palin's canned, meandering blather. I sure hope so.

Posted by: chiefnugt | October 3, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

I thought her remark "the white flag of surrender" was insulting to a man of Joe Biden's integrity. She should apologise. If America is taken in by her George Bush-like personality then more fool you. Have you not had enough of smart ass politicians? All chat and no substance. How many questions did she actually answer?

Posted by: patch1 | October 3, 2008 1:32 AM
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McCain's "victory" is the most terrible of all.
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It's not one flag, but thousands of red-white-blue flags wraped on coffins, with no end in sight.
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Going to war in the name of peace is a sharable delusion based on the mother of all delusions: Greed.

Posted by: ElMugroso | October 3, 2008 1:44 AM | Report abuse

She's telegenic, and she didn't drool. Good for her.

She also didn't, most of the time, answer the questions. This tells me she's either Terminally Diva, or clueless.

Or both.

Posted by: Riddim | October 3, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

I don't know the Constitution.

I don't know foreign policy.

I support creationism.

The world is flat. And the American public will get what it deserves if I'm voted VP

Sincerely,
Sarah

Posted by: bhuang2 | October 3, 2008 2:00 AM | Report abuse

The kindhearted part of me is relieved that Palin didn't look like a fool. Whatever your political inclinations, it's painful to watch someone humiliate herself on national TV. On the other hand, we have to be thoughtful voters who put the good of the country first. I'm one of those rare people who listen more to the thought conveyed than the style of presentation, and in this regard, I found Palin to exhibit the height of arrogance in refusing to answer questions put to her, moreso in being proud of it. She wants to regurgitate her talking points directly to the American people regardless of what they (we) are really looking for. Either she doesn't know the answer or she doesn't care, either way we have another George W. Bush.

Look at it this way. I'm not an accomplished journalist with a national TV show. I'm not Gwen Ifill. I couldn't be there to ask Biden and Palin my questions. But Gwen Ifill was there representing me. If Palin can't be bothered to answer Gwen Ifill's questions, why should I think she would answer mine or even care about me, one of the American people she supposedly wants to speak directly to? I think Palin's elitist attitude (I'm too good for your questions) bespeaks a serious character flaw and an unwillingness to face truth, again something we've seen in the current regime.

Compared to her arrogance, Palin's Afghanistan blunder didn't bother me nealy as much, though there once again was the boldface assertion of something contrary to fact. Is Palin just ignorant or is she determined to lie her way to the White House?

I have less to say about Biden, largely because I expected more of him, and he handily delivered. He got in the same sort of good punches Obama did in the first debate, hammering McCain was wrong, Obama or I was right, I haven't heard any difference between McCain and Bush. The most gut level connection I felt to either candidate was when Biden choked up talking about one of his sons. At that point I choked up too, and my heart said "this guy is like me." Biden is not some cartoon character playing folksy while spouting canned lines, he's one of us, a thoughtful guy who respects facts, seeks truth, and loves his family and country, though he also cared enough about us and our intelligence to prepare thoroughly for the debate.

Posted by: RaymondTAnderson | October 3, 2008 2:04 AM | Report abuse

A shout out to third graders?????? People - fellow citizens - let's get real here - this is far from what I call Presidential material.

We CANNOT let the GOP steal this election again. I urge us to get our heads out of our bombiscuits and go with the ticket that has the ability to create the change we need to see in this world...Obama Biden 08!

Posted by: kwbutchart | October 3, 2008 2:06 AM | Report abuse

Dear Eugene Robinson,
I saw you on Olbermann tonight and was struck by something you said--that the experts are always wrong in these matters. After both of these debates I've watched incredulously as the pundits don't initially make much of the style of McCain and now the style of Palin. Only after the early polls show that the public is turned off by them will they acknowledge what seems so obvious to me and apparently to most other viewers. McCain was nasty and tonight Palin was too--she was almost worse because she smiled when she dug the stiletto in. You are the only pundit that seems to see the emperors are not wearing any clothes before the people say so.

Posted by: jandmward | October 3, 2008 2:12 AM | Report abuse

Palin was challenged and used her "cutesy" whenever she remembered it--what a put-on!

Biden was confident and real--he'll tell you how he feels &/or how he'd get it done!

Posted by: paco282 | October 3, 2008 2:15 AM | Report abuse

With all the sound and fury following every event of note within this campaign, we seem to miss the larger perspective about the candidates, this country, and the work that is ahead of us.

The fact that any of these discussions can focus on Sarah Palin showing a little "spunk" and how that might provide evidence that she could have a productive and effective dialogue with a foreign leader, make difficult decisions about how to handle a financial meltdown, or deploy troops, whether supporting as a vice president or as, god forbid, president, seems ludicrous. Would we allow her to be CEO of a company that we owned stock in?

I have long found John McCain to be a trustworthy and even inspiring leader throughout his time in the Senate. He has effectively managed some difficult bipartisan negotiations, with the apparent focus on moving the country forward. The fact that he takes his responsibility of choosing a potential VP of the United States so cavalierly concerns me greatly.

Meanwhile, Obama appears to take his role very seriously, even if he is a bit cautious in doing so. Sadly, the choice seems clearer than it should be.

Posted by: SecondChild | October 3, 2008 2:17 AM | Report abuse

General opinion to the contrary, Palin is not on "terra firma" when it comes to 'energy'. We consume some 21 million barrels of oil a day and produce about 7 million barrels. Alaska, due solely to geological luck, is a net exporter of oil. It has a negative personal income tax, in effect, due to the oil-price windfall. It is not a representative state and its governor of just two years is no expert on 'energy'.

The debate in all the other states centers around alternative energy, energy efficiency, nuclear energy and clean coal technologies. Alska has nothing to do with any of these and its governor is pretty ignorant about these issues. "Drill baby drill" is not a policy.

Posted by: Ganesan1 | October 3, 2008 2:20 AM | Report abuse

The assessment in this is correct - a CNN poll found only 42 percent who watched the debate said Palin was qualified to be vice-president compared with 87 for Biden. And Biden won on other things also.

The only point you make that isn't quite right is that she seemed on terra firma with energy. Granted you only said she "seemed" ... but that said she was inaccurate in at least 4 key ways on energy -

http://dailysource.org/special/palin/216#

All 4 are described and backed up with links to you all at the Washington Post and US News and World Report.

Posted by: ds2oo8 | October 3, 2008 2:25 AM | Report abuse

Eventually both John and Sarah are going to have to stop spouting their own talking points and come up with solutions. You know, like programs, ideas, insights. It sure didn't happen tonight, thats for sure. If McCain gets any angrier because of the polls or if Palin gets any SixPackier we may not even have an election. The Governor will just melt and the Senior Senator from Arizona will implode. Is somebody keeping Jeb Bush ready in the wings? This dynamic duo might be finished by the 10th of October - thats the date when the preliminary report on the abuse of Executive power comes out in Alaska. Maybe they will put the bus for sale on ebay too, ya recon?

Posted by: BlueDog3 | October 3, 2008 2:26 AM | Report abuse

Palin did better than many people expected, however these expectations were artificially low. She avoided coming across as incoherent and very poorly informed on many issues because she had been extensively tutored, likely given scripted lines to try to use, regardless of the question.

Ignoring these low expectations of many people, Palin showed again why she is not qualified to be president. She ignored too many questions, displayed little depth in understanding of most issues beyond the probable memorized lines from advisers and offered very few specific examples of how a McCain-Palin administration would "reform" the government or represent change from Bush-Cheney policies.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | October 3, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

Her error was failing to show humanity in response to Joe Biden's emotional discussion of his family. Instead she just crassly launhed into "I'm a maverick!"

UGH.

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Posted by: PacNW | October 3, 2008 2:31 AM | Report abuse

Milbank also nails it: Palin: cliche and nonsequitur.

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Posted by: PacNW | October 3, 2008 2:33 AM | Report abuse

Palin acted more confident during the debate than she has during her handful of interviews, which were Miss Teen South Carolina awful. Notably, she didn't have to address any follow-up questions that would have probed her understanding of any of the issues.

I'm sad that McCain chose to give a woman a huge opportunity... and that woman has only succeeded in making the notion of a female president ever more unplausible.

Posted by: dsa80 | October 3, 2008 2:41 AM | Report abuse

It would be fun to compare the reactions of Republicans if Obama were turn on black street vernacular in the next debate.

Posted by: Reno911 | October 3, 2008 2:43 AM | Report abuse

If you listen to the replay, Palin gets worst!

Posted by: lydialdurham | October 3, 2008 2:57 AM | Report abuse

Did Palin thank Gwen at the end of the debate?

Posted by: lydialdurham | October 3, 2008 2:59 AM | Report abuse

When you combine the first debate with McCain and Obama and last night's debate with Palin and Biden, you get a profile of two highly intelligent, experienced, reasoned and reasonable adults vs an angry arrogant and erratic old man with a cute, folksy but empty headed tow-along. Obama/Biden have won hand down.

Posted by: katharinestavrinou | October 3, 2008 3:01 AM | Report abuse

Looking for answers from Palin to solve the financial crisis? I think even the best economists are having a hard time looking for one. You guys are idiots.

Posted by: spidermean2 | October 3, 2008 3:08 AM | Report abuse

Palin = Hauteur


Hauteur
A noun
1 arrogance, haughtiness, hauteur, highhandedness, lordliness

overbearing pride evidenced by a superior manner toward inferiors
Category Tree:
abstraction
╚attribute
╚trait
╚pride
╚arrogance, haughtiness, hauteur, highhandedness, lordliness
╚snobbery; snobbishness
╚superiority
╚condescension; superciliousness; disdainfulness
╚imperiousness; domineeringness; overbearingness
╚hubris

Posted by: dan3 | October 3, 2008 3:13 AM | Report abuse

My goodness what a brash example of reflexive talking point-itus. Palin was so crammed full of talking points that, much like an over-eater, she occasionally seemed on the verge of bursting a gut. Surely there is an enema scheduled today to clean out the residue.

Posted by: sdmac | October 3, 2008 3:13 AM | Report abuse

First time voter, northern VA for OBama/biden, i think palin did a 'good job' but i wouldn't trust her to have any decision concerning the Iraq war or afghanistan, these wars are largely ethnic as are most. I say this because she comes from such a homogenous state like alaska with just white people that get along with everyone and just got her passport LAST YEAR! ~another George Walker Bush~ to-get-elected, once again i think she did well in the debate

Posted by: beltwaybandit | October 3, 2008 3:17 AM | Report abuse

Palin was in a word - terrible. In WTF world do Palin supporters live? Reality it is not. What a bonehead she is. If one wants 1950s B.S. then Palin is for you, if you want political reality then she is not for you.

In addition and this is just my opinion, her 'folksy' accent is phony as hell.

Posted by: bush_lied_soldiers_died | October 3, 2008 4:12 AM | Report abuse

Steve Schmidt needs to give Sarah Palin the definition of "achilles Heel," the next time they have their little tutoring sessions. It's obvious that she didn't have a clue what the moderator meant.

If I hear her use that phrase "hungry for energy" one more time, I am going to throw up. You can't eat oil- or you shouldn't have to.

O'Biden? He is Irish, that's true.

She is still a liar despite the winks and smiles.

It's obvious that John McCain has lost his marbles with this one.

P.S., Senator McNasty, I don't attend "Georgetown cocktail parties." dog gone it, y'all.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 3, 2008 4:31 AM | Report abuse

No minds were changed tonight, except for the Repulicans who are relieved that Sarah Palin is so wonderful and cute and doesn't have to answer questions or follow rules, so there! And when she becomes VP, it will give her (and the neo-cons who have been training her) so much power. Hey Governor Palin, do you think the Constitution is just a piece of paper too? Will you be wiping your tush with it like Cheney does?

Posted by: raduodogi | October 3, 2008 4:37 AM | Report abuse

Pleeeeeeeeeze not another 4 years with the word NUCULER!!! Just because one idiot is leaving office doesn't mean we need to bring another in right behind him!

Posted by: yagottabekiddin | October 3, 2008 4:55 AM | Report abuse

Honestly this charade is appalling. Anyone who falls for her flagrant disregard of reasonable questions deserves her.
How dumb do the Republicans think we are? In many ways they are right. They think large swathes of the electorate are really stupid. Maybe they have assessed it correctly.

Posted by: marymae | October 3, 2008 5:12 AM | Report abuse

Lets face it, this is a tough business. No use in having sympathy for the other side. Just cut them up and get it over.

So what if our democracy goes to pieces? Got to keep the pot boiling.

Posted by: gary4books | October 3, 2008 5:26 AM | Report abuse

To all those people and trolls who think Palin did such a wonderful job even though I cannot for the life of me remember a question she actually answered, when you strive for mediocrity you will get mediocrity.

I suggest you watch the debate again and actually listen to what Palin says. Or I'll save you the trouble, she says nothing. Like McCain, Palin just doesn't get it.

By the way, her financial filings with the elections commission are due today. We'll see how much of a Joe Six-pack she is.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 3, 2008 5:27 AM | Report abuse

No matter what happened in the debate, Robinson would have declared Biden the winner. He's on auto pilot for Obama.

Posted by: brewstercounty | October 3, 2008 5:27 AM | Report abuse

No doubt about it, Palin is all fluff and no substance. She is great at selling herself. That is her greatest asset. How else could somebody from nowhere rise so fast.

Posted by: dontblamemeivoted4gore | October 3, 2008 6:17 AM | Report abuse

I cannot believe what I am reading in these blogs. A winner is a winner. Biden did not win because he just regirgitated the past and once in a while he through in Obamas name to make it sound like he really is backing him. He talked about the past and said at least 10 things that we totally false. (go back and look at his record). Why can't you accept the fact that Obama is not ready for prime time, and should be selected to lead this country. McCain/Palin are not the most likeable couple, but they are the most honest. You know and I know that Obama is a liar, a racist, a bigot, is a muslum and is as white as he is black. It is time to take a look in your heart, not your pocketbook because Obama is going to rape your pocketbook, bank account and what ever funds you are saving to your golden years. Your golden years will turn to tarnished iron, not gold.

I am not a McCain/Palin lover but I see them as the better of the two Candidates. If and when we go to another conflict, which we will, in another country, I would rather have McCain leading the charge.

Who ever gets the seat in the White House is going to have to make some very tough decision to make, and maybe on the spot, and Obama does not have the guts to step forward and take the reins of the team, he will rely on his friends, to guide him, in the wrong direction.

Take a deep breath, search you heart and mind, and ask, who really can lead this nation in truth and justice, and you will find McCain/Palin waiting to lead you and our country into the future holding our head high, and bring America back to standard of a proud nation. Go back to the Carter years and look forward to see where our problems began. It is not hard to forgive, but it is worse to lie about it and then tell another lie to cover the previous lie. Wake up America.

Posted by: rfiskum | October 3, 2008 6:26 AM | Report abuse

I forgot something. When Biden talked about Obama voting record, Obama was not even the senate then some othe issues were voted. Go back and look at the Obama voting record and you will nothing of substance other than Present.

Posted by: rfiskum | October 3, 2008 6:30 AM | Report abuse

I watched the debate at a party with friends here in rural Alaska, where by the way Palin is considered an urban politician. (Wassilla today is just an exurb of Anchorage, and not a particularly pleasant one at that.) The consensus out here is that virtually everything about Palin is fake, except her family. Her accent and her folksiness are affectations; nothing about that is "Alaskan." I've lived here for nearly 30 years and have never met anyone else who speaks like she does. Virtually everything she says about her record in Alaska is a gross distortion. She is not qualified to be governor, much less the V-P.

Posted by: BruceinAK | October 3, 2008 6:35 AM | Report abuse

The bar had been set so low for Palin, that Gwen Ifill was willing to allow her
to "just go back and say something else about energy" in response to every question.
She did not respond to a single question.

All the polls show Biden won.
Sone 80-20, some 60-40.

Palin does possess a weird dissociative ability to psyche herself up for a
stressful event. This would be a valuable attribute in a Guantanamo interegator,
but spooky in someone talking about "nucular" weapons.

Posted by: julian2 | October 3, 2008 6:36 AM | Report abuse

Eugene - you keep on gushing over Obama like this and Michelle is gonna make sure you are not proud to be an American. You really should work for the New York Times !! Like Maurene Dowd you can never say even one nice thing about hillary, McCain or Palin. You are completely blinded by your man crush on Obama !! But dont wory Michelle - Biden said last night that he and Obama dont believe in gay marraige so Eugene and Barry wont ever be able to hook up legally. But Eugene - dont forget about those 3 murdered gay guys in Obamas church !!! The Obama campaign might be willing to do whatever it takes to take over this country. Now where is that Ohio bus that will take the homeless there so they can vote for Barry ??- doesnt matter what State you are from- the Obama campaign will take you there and show you how to vote for their man- just find a suitable address in the phone book and then start filling out the ballot !!

Posted by: JUNGLEJIM123 | October 3, 2008 6:37 AM | Report abuse

Without a doubt the person from ouside the Beltway won this debate. It was the same old stuff from the longtime (way to long) Senator from Delaware. Palin may not have laid out the McCain-Palin economic policies but another four years of "Let's throw money at it if it moves" is going to put this country in the recession that the media wats us to be in.

Posted by: VMINEB1 | October 3, 2008 6:38 AM | Report abuse

Why didn't someone call Biden on his gaffe about Israel having "kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon"??? Hezbollah has been practically running that country almost since 1982 without interruption.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies1 | October 3, 2008 6:42 AM | Report abuse

Is Palen gonna wink at Putin when he "rears his head"? The question going in was not can she put on lots of make up and appeal to Joe six pack but is she commander in chief material? Joe Biden totally out classed her and was the big winner because whith all the previous coverage of Palin he had been forgotten. The country got to know Joe, see his high level of understading of the issues and ability truthfully communicate this to all Americans.

Posted by: Bowerguy1 | October 3, 2008 6:48 AM | Report abuse

Is palin gonna wink at Puting "when he rears his head". Not a commamder in chief showing like Biden's.

Posted by: Bowerguy1 | October 3, 2008 6:51 AM | Report abuse

Palin's biggest mistake was that she didn't attack Joe Biden on Iraq. When he alluded to blunders in Iraq, she should have stated something along these lines:

"I find Joe Biden giving advice on Iraq laughable. Here's a guy who advocated the breaking of Iraq, a sovereign nation, into three parts. The Sunnis were against such a plan. The Kurds were against such a plan. Muqtada al-Sadr and much of the Shi'a establishment were against such a plan. The Iraqi leadership was against such a plan.

"After breaking apart Iraq, a member of the United Nations, against its will, what would Joe Biden have done about Kirkuk? What about Bagdad? Right now, the situation in Iraq is managable. If Joe's advice had been heeded, it would have been catastrophic. Is this the type of advice you plan to give Barack Obama, Joe?"

If she had said this, it would have been the talk of the Sunday talk shows. Alas, that's not Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Senjata | October 3, 2008 7:10 AM | Report abuse

I am one of those who reside on the "East Coast" that Palin derided during the debate, however, I was born, raised, and educated (including college), in the Midwest. So, with that, I can say this, Palin is no "Heartlander".

She was again, fluff with no substance. I heard alot of hollow words and found myself trying too hard to find the coherence in her run on sentences. I even told those I was watching the debate with to silence themselves because I I had to give inordinate attention to find comprehension in many of her diatribes.

Palin was more concerned about giving zingers that she forgot that the debate was, in fact, her platform to inform the American public on how her team would lead the nation beyond campaign stump speeches.

I found it especially troubling that Palin could not comprehend that underscoring McCains voting record with Bush was not looking backward, but rather, shedding light on what to expect in the FUTURE in a McCain Administration. She couldn't understand that his voting history, after all of these years, is not by the sake of this election going to change. His voting history is representative of his philosophy, which, in this case is synonymous to George W. Bush's. That should not be perceived as an indictment to McCain/Palin as he, George W, is the leader of their party. That she threw him under the bus, says alot about the GOP, in general.

Judging on substance, information and clarity of vision:

Biden Wins!!!

On beating expectations:

Palin Wins!!!

What does America see as more encouraging? One who delivers a solid debate with clear direction on how they will run the nation or one who just didn't fail because they showed up and didn't blunder, yet, did not go beyond the political fluff of the day?

You decide...

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | October 3, 2008 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Palin certainly meet the low expectations - since the bar was so low, all she had to do was basically show up and not faint on-stage to be seen as winning. But on substance and style - she totally lost. I have no problem with folksy (although I cringe at the thought of her meeting a world leader and saying "ya" to them), but I have a problem with any VP candidate who wants to expand the powers of the office beyond the Constitutional limits, who claims that "the toxic mess on Main Street is affecting Wall Street" (how's that for a flipflop? Anyone feel like apologizing to Merrill Lynch or Lehman Brothers?), who refuses to answer the questions, and who stonewalls a legitimate investigation into their own ethical behavior - a maverick this woman isn't - and she doesn't even have the old chestnut of "I was a POW" to CYA.

Posted by: cymric | October 3, 2008 7:17 AM | Report abuse

While I believe it would be refreshing to have a Canadian in the White House, I think the main thing we learned in this debate is that yes, Sarah Palin is still a woman and she sure like the word "darn." Competent? Who is she kidding? Her grasp of the issues is about what you'd expect from a small town mayor.

Posted by: Leofwine | October 3, 2008 7:17 AM | Report abuse

Soooo, apparently she and McCain never got a chance to discuss eachothers' stances on gay marriage or unions...sweet. I'll make no bones about it, I'm voting for Obama, I made my mind up long before he even announced he was running quite frankly, but I sure would feel alot better if I knew both candidates plans. So, okay, Obama's raising taxes for the over $250k annual incomes, 16 month exit strategy, refocusing on Afghanistan, okay, nice, nice. McCain's plans? I have no idea because he hasn't told anyone what they are! "We're so close" is his plan for Iraq I guess. Maybe that's his plan for our economy..."Just a few more years, a little bit more stinking rich, and then the trickle-down will kick in." Or maybe he just plans to roll up his sleeves and initiate operation "Super-Hyper-Elbow-Grease-Gumption-Good ole' Fashioned-Small Towny-Problem Solved!-"and therefor"-Gumption (did I already say gumption? Screw it, I'll say it again)-Gumption-Apple Pie-Ahmadenijidijadijoodiflippityflap-Anyway, I'm clearly having some sort of lsd flashback so I'll "reign in" the incoherent babble and just say this: One candidate is cognatively explaining his positions on domestic and foreign policy and the other is clearly making an effort to appeal to those who might not, how to say, understand the fancy talk. As for S.P., well, she speaks the truth. She really is a hockey mom...clearly.

Posted by: JesusWizardo | October 3, 2008 7:21 AM | Report abuse

The expansion of the powers of the Constitution given to the Executive was harrowing under Chaney, but Palin clearly stated that she would follow his lead. She wants the V.P. to have more power than the Constitution allows, yet she did not mention that she would ask 2/3 of the American people for the permission to make such expansions, as a Constitutional Amendment would require, she would just follow Chaney's linguistic manapulative lead.

When the Constitution calls for a separation of powers, it is unambiguous, that the VP is called upon to be the tie-breaker in the senate, when needed, does not position the VP IN the senate.

You are a part of the branch that pays your salary. For the VP, that would be the Executive Office of the President.

She promises to play political games with the Constitution and, being who she is, and what she knows, that is more scary than Dick Chaney.

That is a deal breaker for me. In fact when she said it I yelled, Don't F--- with My Constitution Lady!!!

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | October 3, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Fresh air. Fresh air. American people, what you get is "fresh air."

With Gov. Palin, finally, we got some fresh air!

Posted by: gwshening | October 3, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

The only surprise to the debate is if Eugene would have said Palin did a good job. I'm POSITIVE Eugene wrote his eval BEFORE the debate. He reminds of Paul Begala. Paul said to declare you won regardless of what was actually said. Eugene has NEVER given a Republican candidate credit for anything. Even if Jesus was on the podium as a Republican, Eugene would have said he lost the debate. The WP MUST keep Eugene around for comic relief. He certainly doesn't warrant ANY serious consideration. He's SOOOO predictable.

Posted by: sdansker2002 | October 3, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

She should do more live press conferences etc. She comes across much better. The problem is when she does taped interviews and the press picks what they will play and edits it to show her in the most unfavorable light.

Obama knows no more about the financial problem than Palin, he just knows how to give speeches.

Obama is going to win and it scares the hell out of me as a small business owner. The only thing in my favor is that I have saved almost enough money to walk away if it gets too burdensome. (I know that is a foreign concept to most, but have SAVED money)

You used to have to save money to buy a car and buy a house, but that notion is somehow a biased notion as it deprives people of the things they are entitled to. So everyone gets a loan, a house, a car etc. This is America everyone is entitled to that whether they can pay for it or not right?? Hence the economic crises. The notion that everyone is entitled to a $400,000 house and the greedy financial lenders going right along with it.

Posted by: kathymac1 | October 3, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

You knew she would play the Mom/apple pie/Josephine Sixpack card when she got off the plane in St. Louis holding her infant. How cynical these Republicans. The very essence of innocence is a prop. Disgusting. Joe Biden, meanwhile, drew on a wealth of experience, intelligence, and wisdom to kick ass. Please exit stage right, all of you Republicans. You have betrayed your country.

Jeff R.
Valencia

Posted by: lescoeurs | October 3, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Robinson wins the post-debate debate, hands down. He has lasered through the stylistics to the emptiness that matters. It will be interesting to see if the policy-free blather plays out as poorly as he predicts.

Posted by: hquain | October 3, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

When the Governor informed us that she would like to see an expansion of the VP powers, I really didn't see a Cheney disciple. I think she had no idea what to say and fell back on something positive, perky, and unconstitutional.

Posted by: petergordon | October 3, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

We have seen this "folksy" approach to politics for the past eight years. If we continue to fall for this empty nonsense, shame on us. It seems clear that the McCain campaign has deteriorated into a three-pronged strategy: 1) attack Obama with a series of distorted and even mendacious claims delivered by a pair of inarticulate morons and their surrogates; 2) offer nothing substantive as solutions to the myriad problems facing the country. Instead endlessly regurgitate non-responsive talking points; 3) whine about mistreatment and attack the so-called "elite" media. Barack Obama leads John McCain in the race for the White House because many people realize today's complicated problems require supple and sophisticated responses. Instead, from the republican ticket we get sclerotic thinking from a fossilized John McCain and sophomoric thinking from a middle-aged Shirley Temple.

Posted by: rbionaz | October 3, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

I would also like to say that I believe Sarah Palin should get kudos for not showing up with a hat made out of feces, drunk, wearing a swastika. She definitely passed the "no swastikas in a televised debate" test. So there's that.

Posted by: JesusWizardo | October 3, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

When Palin was a sports commentator did she provide scores because she sure didn't provide any information last night? Perhaps she can go back to broadcasting when her gubernatorial term is up because that is where her talents lie, although she may want to provide SOME real information to viewers.

Posted by: smirkman | October 3, 2008 7:39 AM | Report abuse

To rbionaz:

If you are going to use the term, please be specific. Which did you mean? As a mendacious Obamacrat, I need to know what to use in a future blog.

In medicine,

Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis sometimes known as Lou Gehrig's disease, a progressive, incurable, usually fatal disease of motor neurons. Scientist Stephen Hawking suffers from this disease

Atherosclerosis, a deposit of fat in the arteries which causes hardening

Hippocampal sclerosis, a brain damage often seen in individuals with temporal lobe epilepsy

Lichen sclerosus, a disease hardening and connecting flesh of the vagina and the penis of men and women. An autoimmune disorder

Liver sclerosis, causes the inability of the liver to process and metabolize the female hormone and it causes the imbalance of male and female hormone and impotence

Multiple sclerosis, a central nervous system disease which affects coordination

Osteosclerosis, a condition where the bone density is significantly increased

Otosclerosis, a disease of the ears
Systemic sclerosis (progressive systemic scleroderma), a rare, chronic disease which affects the skin, and in some cases also blood vessels and internal organs

Tuberous sclerosis, a rare genetic disease which affects multiple systems

Posted by: sdansker2002 | October 3, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

What did Palin say that a McCain/Palin administration would do for the country? Other than winking and smirking while talking about war, I don't think she actually answered a single question with facts. In fact, she refused to answer questions so she could talk about energy, energy and more energy. She flubbed the Afghanistan answer and her constant use of filler words had my head spinning trying to pick out the facts. She didn't say how their administration would be different that what we have right now. Where's the change?

She proved that she would make a great news anchor, reading copy from a teleprompter or rehearsed to death. The office of VP is not a job that can be rehearsed or read from cue cards. She has got to think and talk, and as we have seen, she is not proficient at this skill!

Posted by: kcb_1965 | October 3, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

If Palin had said "darn," or winked at the audience one more time, I was going to throw my drink through the television.

To quote Bugs, "What a maroon!"

Posted by: yellowdoggie | October 3, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Nah, I disagree with E.G. I think Palin was impressive (and I'm an Obama supporter). Her answers didn't have as much substance as I would like, but I doubt your average voter noticed. However, "folksy" doesn't convey "presidential". She needs to start wearing flats and pantsuits like H.C.

Posted by: CalebMurdock | October 3, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Palin had an obvious number of standard Republican talking points that she relied on to fill in the blanks regardless of the truth or the question.
The misleading charge about Biden's vote on troop funding while ignoring McCain's similar vote , the false charge that the middle class is going to get a tax hike, the myth that McCain is a maverick, the white flag of surrender line and the usual blame-the-media excuse are standard Republican fare. Nothing new here.

Her claim that McCain was only talking about workers when referring to the "fundamentals" of the economy is laughable as was her insistence that McCain is has been in favor of regulations.

But all this ignorance is being spun as "fresh air"

Biden should have challenged her to tell specifically how McCain's policy would differ from Bush on the Middle East, Iraq, health care, and others. He missed that opportunity twice and the moderator should have insisted she answer the questions asked not recite her canned talking points on irrelevant subjects.

Palin is an empty suit and the fact that, at this point, anyone would ever even consider voting for her for VP with the possibility she may become President is living proof of the dumbing down of America.

Posted by: bird123claw | October 3, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Most of the pro-Palin comments here are right in line with the candidate herself. All vitriol and no-substance. How they can be supportive of someone who comes to debate and answers only those questions she wants to answer, or more accurately the questions she was prepped to answer, only demonstrates their own unflinching partisanship. These people are less interested in electing the best candidate than they are their own candidate.

And rfiskum - take your own advice. Take a deep breath and then try to compose a literate and factual statement. The fact that you are still trying to sell that old "Obama is a Muslim chestnut just shows your neo-con desperation.

Posted by: eweston1 | October 3, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

It seems to me that Obama and Palin should be on the same ticket.

No Experience! Bad idea for America!

Posted by: SAL3456 | October 3, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

I have to add that I feel sorry for "FlipFlopper". It must be tough to have no positions or principles to guide your decisions. A presidential campaign isn't a popularity contest.

Posted by: CalebMurdock | October 3, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

We all laughed when Bill Clinton used to say 'I feel your pain'.... The point being voters WANT someone who knows what they're facing day in and day out.

Palin/McCain are tone deaf to real people. We got single moms out here raising 2-3 children on waitress salaries and tips of less than $17k a year, Palin's combined income with her husband is $250k, McCain's is much more, and he lives on his wife's millions.

We are fighting two wars we're not winning, our economy is in the tank, we have no credit, our Congress looks foolish as they've failed to deal with it, and it is simply not a time for cutzy-wootzy winks and grins, for slang instead of intelligent English, and for glossing over the hard parts and hoping no one asked.

Palin just doesn't cut it.

Posted by: dutchess2 | October 3, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Palin did a good job. There has been marked improvement. However, she's no Biden. I was upset by her use of faux folksiness. It was rude and inappropriate. Not only does she come off as someone who does not have the decorum necessary for international affairs, she does not seem to respect the intelligence of the american people.

On a different topic, what was with that comment about Biden's wife? "Her reward is in heaven". Yes, his current wife has been a teacher for 30 years. His deceased wife didn't even make it to 30. I know that she could have been trying to say something nice about Jill Biden, but it came off as creepy and confused.

Posted by: hollyc1 | October 3, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Interesting comments that I received over the internet:

Just another way of looking at today's history.
Which of course the Demo's would never do......
This is fact, just think about it.
The Demo's always want us to believe that everything changes
in a day, a week, a month. Only fair to assume the same....
Only six more weeks of this stuff.

TO ALL MY FRIENDS....LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE........FYI only.

George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine.

A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.
4) the DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000 +
5) American's were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations overseas, living large!...

But American's wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress and yes--we got 'CHANGE' all right. In the PAST YEAR:

1) Consumer confidence has plummeted ;
2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!;
3) Unemployment is up to 5.5% (a 10% increase);
4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION DOLLARS and prices still dropping;
5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosu re.
6) as I write, THE DOW is probing another low~~
$2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS!

YES, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE...AND WE SURE GOT IT! ....

REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES, ONLY CONGRESS.

AND WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

NOW THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT CLAIMS HE IS GOING TO REALLY
GIVE US CHANGE ALONG WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!!!!

JUST HOW MUCH MORE 'CHANGE' DO YOU THINK YOU CAN STAND?

Posted by: SAL3456 | October 3, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Oh dear lord, help us. After eight years of posturing six pack folksy Texan twaddle, please, no more !

Posted by: elizabeth6 | October 3, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

While I am an Obama supporter, I must admit Palin performed well in the debate. That raises a question: Who is the real Sarah Palin? Her polished performance in the debate is offset by her complete inability to respond coherently in an interview (e.g., Couric, Gibson). If McCain/Palin were elected, which Sarah would we get?

Posted by: orch | October 3, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

I guess the bottom line is do we want Obama with no experence as President with VP with experience or do we want MccCain with experience and a VP without experience..

No brainer to me: McCain all the way!

Posted by: SAL3456 | October 3, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

I do not think that her selectively choosing which questions to answer, and her cheeerful announcment she would do so in advance, should have been allowed. Biden may have pointed it out once, but I thought she went too far in delivering her party line and not far enough in answering the questions.

When she says she is talking to American people, she is actually talking at us, and if you listen closely, especially to her closing, her message is based more on threats and fear to drum up support, not on hope or a sense of heartfelt respect for individual freedoms. That is the beat of a Dick Cheney style war drum I hear, to keep me afraid, and as deaf, dumb and blind as possible, and I for one do not think the current GOP is the most trustworthy stewards of our future liberties.

Posted by: jannisprods | October 3, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

To me .. Palin was trying to establish her position on the Republican ticket...that so many Republicans lately have had doubts about her ability to do anything for McCain..I don't think the attempts at populist appeal worked well for her among those powerful voices in the Republican Party...

Posted by: goodcake4 | October 3, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

I have waited and waited for someone to question why Alaska is able to take money from the oil companies to give to every person in the state when the oil comes from federal lands. So she is a hero in Alaska and even uses this fact to impress everyone in the country. It would impress me more if everyone in the country shared this money from oil coming from federal lands. Am I crazy or is the oil OURs not just Alaska's.

Posted by: vladsdad1 | October 3, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Frankly, I don't care if John McCain wins. He seems to have the same weasley personality of George Bush. I do care about Sarah Palin, in light of the hatchet job done on her from day one by the columnist and others. Last night she showed why so many people love her. She connects with us poor ignorants who live in fly over country. The bitterness of the comments on this column simply confirms my view.

Posted by: edfromtexas | October 3, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Frankly, I don't care if John McCain wins. He seems to have the same weasley personality of George Bush. I do care about Sarah Palin, in light of the hatchet job done on her from day one by the columnist and others. Last night she showed why so many people love her. She connects with us poor ignorants who live in fly over country. The bitterness of the comments on this column simply confirms my view.

Posted by: edfromtexas | October 3, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Palin wasn't as incoherent as she was in her Kouric interviews, but she still proved again that she is an empty vessel. Six times the numbers saw the debate as saw the interviews, so the damage should be even more extensive. It's irrelevant that she nailed a few folksy moments. That stuff plays to her base alone.

Posted by: domoab | October 3, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Frankly, I don't care if John McCain wins. He seems to have the same weasley personality of George Bush. I do care about Sarah Palin, in light of the hatchet job done on her from day one by the columnist and others. Last night she showed why so many people love her. She connects with us poor ignorants who live in fly over country. The bitterness of the comments on this column simply confirms my view.

Posted by: edfromtexas | October 3, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Sal for the informative post. These poor liberals are fed such biased info from the msm that they have no concept of factual events. Biden is a known liar and I thought Palin was wonderful and
. Biden was the most outspoken in the democratic primary regarding Obama's lack of experience and poor judgement, thank goodness most of us remember his stand and already knew what an extreme socialist-like the junior senator is.When it RAINES it pours - Franklin Raines is a key Obama advisor and knee deep in the Fannie and Freddie Fiasco. Follow the money - the trail leads right to the Community Organizer's door.

Posted by: catherineusa | October 3, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

She did do well on education. Of course what she said and what Republicans do are on opposite ends of the spectrum. I wonder if she knows that?

There was one point when they were talking about Obama's vote for "funding the troops", whatever that means, where she showed a very palpable disgust for Barack Obama. It was very real and very creepy. I guess that's something else she share's with McCain.

Posted by: henk1 | October 3, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Frankly, I don't care if John McCain wins. He seems to have the same weasley personality of George Bush. I do care about Sarah Palin, in light of the hatchet job done on her from day one by the columnist and others. Last night she showed why so many people love her. She connects with us poor ignorants who live in fly over country. The bitterness of the comments on this column simply confirms my view.

Posted by: edfromtexas | October 3, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

This debate was bizarre. First Palin announced that she wouldn't answer the questions she was asked.Then she spent 90 minutes repeating what she memorized in debate camp, instead of talking about issues. She channeled her inner Giulliani, replacing "energy" for "9/11" as her experience for everything. Finally, there was the chilling moment when she said, if elected, she would expand the VP's role over the Congress, a statement that startled even Gwen Ifill.It would've warmed Dick Cheney's heart, if he had one.
I don't know how anybody else felt after watching, but the cutesy folksy banter didn't hide the fact that the GOP candidates plan to continue the same policies that almost ruined this country. For that reason I will run, not walk, to the polls , and vote Obama/ Biden.

Posted by: winnie47 | October 3, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Unbelievable that there still is some doubt about her capacity. She NEVER answers a question directly, and yet wants to expand the VP's power. I do recall she called the Iraq war a blunder yesterday, after fiercely defending it, and also was contradictory on the Afghanistan war, yes the surge will work, and after Biden's comments, the surge MAY work.
Please relieve us of more agony with the McCain ticket, Bush has destroyed our nation enough. Change please

Posted by: AnswerMePlease | October 3, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

I agree with EdfromTexas. I thought Sarah Palin did GREAT. Biden tried to lay a trap for her about gay marriage and she saw right through it. And who got unnerved during the debate? It was Joe Biden. Granted, I don't have the kind of liberal venom so characteristic of the Washington Post's writers or posters here, who are so fogged by emotions that they weren't listening to the debate. Who connected? Sarah did. Joe sounded like a windbag and a flopper.

Posted by: mary1961 | October 3, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

catherineusa, you do know that one of McCain's top advisers was a paid lobbiest for Freddie Mac, right? He was being paid $15000 a month right up through August.

Facts are funny things these days. It seems that wing-nuts like yourself, don't understand the meaning of the word.

Posted by: henk1 | October 3, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

this campaign will come full circle
to the 'is america past race? if we dont
vote for a black man, we are not'
will the guilt race card play?
freshman senator, most liberal,
1 trillion in new spending????
america will judge obama on his character
and record, and vote NOBAMA

Posted by: USA3 | October 3, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

peeeuuu Palin did not answer any questions only have vague and simplistic answers that made no real differences between McCaint and Bush2 policies.....

Biden clearly had a grasp of the issues and peeeuuu Palin was grasping at his pant leg....

The only thing I heard from peeeuuu Palin was her desire to change the US Constitution for VP control of votes...

In the history of the United States has there ever been a least understood, most ridiculed, and most often ignored constitutional office in the federal government...and she wants more control over HOUSE votes?

Two were never elected by the people.
One was the target of a failed assassination plot.
One was mobbed in his car while on a goodwill mission.
Seven died in office — one in his room in the U.S. Capitol and two fatally stricken while on their way to preside over the Senate.

And one piano-playing vice president suffered political repercussions from a photograph showing him playing that instrument while famous movie actress Lauren Bacall posed seductively on top of it.

The Vice president "shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be evenly divided" (Article I, section 3). In practice, the number of times vice presidents have exercised this right has varied greatly. John Adams holds the record at 29 votes, followed closely by John C. Calhoun with 28.

Since the 1870s, however, no vice president has cast as many as 10 tie-breaking votes

Palin appeared to be just like a "Chatty Kathy" doll, pulling the string on her own back and spewing the same old rhetoric and crapola.

That "By Gosh" demeanor came across as nothing more than a pageant queen's way of trying to win a crown.

She is what I have described in other blogs as an "Empty Bag" filled with a steaming pile of crap filled up almost to bursting with all of the pathetic McCaint talking points but made no discussion on how they are in tune with the needs and diesires for change for this nation...

As for the debate, No contest. Biden is intelligent and obviously cares about people, like most liberals, while Palin is your typical racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-intellectual who uses GOD, War, and economic lies in the same sentence and can barely walk and chew gum at the same time.

She obviously didnt know what she was talking about and didnt answer most of the questions.

But she does know foreign policy, cause, gosh, she lives next to Russia!!!

Oh, and why are we not hearing more about Palin and her witch hunter pastor?

I know it wont make a difference to many conservatives out there, but I've just been wondering we had to hear about Obama and his pastor, why isnt the fact that Palin is really even more stupid and ignorant than anyone could possible imagine (except the stupid people like her) being reported more, and gives it another reason not to be being reported at all...

peeeeuuu......

Obama/Biden '08
Obama/Biden '12

Posted by: AlexP1 | October 3, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

BY THE WAY: FEC is supposed to investigate $200 Million in questionalble (and some foreign) campaign donations -- but only after the election. How come the Washington Post doesn't report on that? You guys are in the tank for Obama...so the public won't hear about this scandal for a very long, long time. Makes Clinton's Chinese/Buddhist Temple campaign donations look like a drop of water in an ocean.

Posted by: mary1961 | October 3, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Governor Palin scored big time! Apparently the McCain campaign handlers listened and allowed Sarah to be Sarah. Joe Biden had all the facts - after 30 years in the senate, he should. Given more than five weeks Sarah Palin will have all the facts - AND she will know what to do with them.

She was relaxed and comfortable. Joe Biden was a little stiff and at times a little riled. He was being out-charmed and he knew it.

Posted by: Kansas28 | October 3, 2008 1:19 AM
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i don't know what debate you were watching but she scored big time? Really? how? You guys set the bar so low all she had to do was read her notes and that's good enough for you? She gave us nothing on her and McClames policy, she just read her prepared notes. She even told the moderator that she isn't going to answer the way the moderator of the media wants allowing her then to just say whatever and she did by giving the answer to a question of her choice. She only cheered your repugs because she didn't have a super gaffe but the independents and moderates looked at her and saw nothing but speeches and poor ones at that. If all she needed to do was get by and it's ok with you repugs, then you really don't expect much from your candidates and it reflects by your pick and his pick for VP

Posted by: gabbamonkey | October 3, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Why is the bar set so low for women, white women in particular? Every woman in American should be insulted by her "female" presentation. She winked and flirted with the audience / camera, had EXTREMLY too much make-up on, avoided questions and patronized mid-westerners.

Be honest American (women in particular) – was that a Vice Presidential (one step from Presidential) appearance? She obviously has no respect for McCain because she has already stated she does not agree with him and implied she is attempting to change him (winked). This was really a sad day for all women who want in, in the political arena. We as women were setback many years.

Posted by: ellenkenley | October 3, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

"She connects with us poor ignorants who live in fly over country."

Speak for yourself ED. I live in flyover land as well, and she did not connect with me at all, of course I am not ignorant.

The folks that I know have common sense and can spot a huckster a mile away. We spotted Sarah quite a while ago.

Posted by: henk1 | October 3, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

where is there a single media outlet in america that is truly unbiased?
what america really needs
is some new media outlet that
is not obviously, venomously,
in bed with the candidate they
feign covering.

"we need to increase troop numbers,
but a surge stategy will not work '''

What the heck was obiden talking about?

Posted by: USA3 | October 3, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Palin did a first-rate imitation of Tina Fey in the debates last night. But Tina is a professional actress and comedienne, who recognizes what's true and what's phoney, and satirizes the latter for a living. Palin, on the other hand, lacking such recognition, caricatures herself at every turn, as evidenced last night. The debate presented a rank amateur of high school level playing script-in-hand opposite a sober and focused Richard Burton-like Biden, with Biden rendering the requisite "Hamlet" to Ifill's serious questions, while Palin mistakenly spouted "Much Ado About Nothing," much to the audience's consternation. She's still way out of her league here, and can now return to the sequestration of her igloo.

Posted by: MickNamVet | October 3, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Oh Sarah, say the Bushnuts, wiping the brown smears from their noses and cheeks.

Oh, Sarah, just wink at me one more time and I'll give you ALL my money, honey!

Oh, Sarah, when you clench your jaw that way and work it, baby, work it, work that mandible, it makes this old man twitch like Bobby Dole.

Oh Sarah, let me forget there is such a thing as citizenship and judgment and reason, and let me just cling, cling to your skirts forever, let snuffle my runny nose into your Thighmasters and make the scary black man go away.

Me love pretty mommy, pretty mommy don't leave little wingnut!

Oh, Sarah, when you wriggle and giggle you look so Presidential! Talk about changing the game.

Posted by: bracken1 | October 3, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

That's the point edfromtexas. The bitterness, as you call it, just reflects how she terrifies people. She "connects" with self-styled "ignorants". Demand more from her, because she wants to take one of the highest offices on the planet. If she really cared about the problems facing the USA, she would know more about their causes, and would engage with questioners, not dodge them. She thinks it's enough to wink, say joe six pack, and tax cuts. Indeed, that's all she seems ABLE to do. What does that say about how she sees the folks she claims to represent? She thinks they're dumb, that she can win by lowering the debate, not raising it.

Posted by: domoab | October 3, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Its amazing that people really believe that Obama can lead this country against terrorism and the evils of this world.

Obama has no backbone or ability to lead this great country. If Obama thinks we can sit-down at a table to discuss calmly to terrorist and negotiate a peaceful outcome LOL!

If memory serves me well... It was Clinton that blew the chance to kill Bin Laden.. So I guess we can blame hil for the billions of dollars being spent on the war!

Posted by: SAL3456 | October 3, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin did nothing to explain what Mccain's plan of action is if he wins this election.
The public has a RIGHT to know what his POA is.
All she could do was wink her eyeball away and and tip-toe around the subject of each question asked.
Sarah Palin: WMD: Woman of Mass Destruction

Posted by: cmmdee | October 3, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

From SAL3456:

Please post this on every Obama Post you can find.

Interesting comments that I received over the internet:

Just another way of looking at today's history.
Which of course the Demo's would never do......
This is fact, just think about it.
The Demo's always want us to believe that everything changes
in a day, a week, a month. Only fair to assume the same....
Only six more weeks of this stuff.

TO ALL MY FRIENDS....LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE........FYI only.

George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine.

A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.
4) the DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000 +
5) American's were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations overseas, living large!...

But American's wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress and yes--we got 'CHANGE' all right. In the PAST YEAR:

1) Consumer confidence has plummeted ;
2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!;
3) Unemployment is up to 5.5% (a 10% increase);
4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION DOLLARS and prices still dropping;
5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosu re.
6) as I write, THE DOW is probing another low~~
$2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS!

YES, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE...AND WE SURE GOT IT! ....

REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES, ONLY CONGRESS.

AND WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

NOW THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT CLAIMS HE IS GOING TO REALLY
GIVE US CHANGE ALONG WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!!!!

JUST HOW MUCH MORE 'CHANGE' DO YOU THINK YOU CAN STAND?

Thank you, SAL!!!

Posted by: sdansker2002 | October 3, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

After two failed wars and a global economic crisis under the "stewardship" of a folksy but thoroughly incompetent President, the bar has not been raised but instead lowered to the point that all Sarah Palin had to do was not stand there for 90 minutes drooling on herself and that's good enough? I defy anyone to extrapolate one coherent policy prescription she offered last night. She peformed as well as my 16-year-old son does on a French exam after not cracking the spine of his text book all year, which means she barely managed to conjugate a verb all night. Two failed wars and a global economic crisis and competency still means nothing?!

Posted by: NMP1 | October 3, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

bird123claw wrote: "Her claim that McCain was only talking about workers when referring to the "fundamentals" of the economy is laughable as was her insistence that McCain is has been in favor of regulations."

Here is Palins statement from CNN's transcript:
PALIN: "John McCain, in referring to the fundamental of our economy being strong, he was talking to and he was talking about the American workforce."

I agree, this was the biggest lie she told all evening. What was scary is she did it with a smile. I hope a reporter will ask McCain whether she was right, that he meant that "workers" are the "fundamentals of our economy". If he says she got it right, he's spun to a new low.

And I also agree that her explaining how she would continue the expansive powers of the VP job was very scary. Biden's response was perfect, explaining how Cheney's explanations were not based on the Constitution and that Palin should actually read the document. As usual she did not respond, most likely because she did not learn or have prepared notes on how to respond to that in her two week RNC debate class.

Posted by: bevjims1 | October 3, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin...sung to the tune of Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman.
She is a joke that this country can ill afford. Send this Caribou Barbie back to Alaska.

Posted by: beachbum1938 | October 3, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

If we wanted freshness, resolve, spunk and someone to "shake up Washington," anyone from Buffy The Vampire Slayer to Margaret Cho would fit the bill.

As for being qualified, the mooseburger-eating MILF doesn't fit the bill.

Period.

Posted by: bs2004 | October 3, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

"Why is the bar set so low for women, white women in particular? Every woman in American should be insulted by her "female" presentation. She winked and flirted with the audience / camera, had EXTREMLY too much make-up on, avoided questions and patronized mid-westerners.

Be honest American (women in particular) – was that a Vice Presidential (one step from Presidential) appearance? She obviously has no respect for McCain because she has already stated she does not agree with him and implied she is attempting to change him (winked). This was really a sad day for all women who want in, in the political arena. We as women were setback many years.

Posted by: ellenkenley | October 3, 2008 8:43 AM"

Ask yourself if Condaleeza Rice gave such a babbling, incoherent performance during press conference on the Middle East, would the WHITE MSM be so forgiving or impressed by her "folksy" quality? HELL NO! They would demand a serious Secretary of State for the serious time we are in.

Posted by: NMP1 | October 3, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Joe Biden
noun:
apathy, ennui, hebetude, languor, lassitude, lethargy, listlessness, sluggishness, taedium vitae

Posted by: jimwhite1 | October 3, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Eugene Robinson is a liberal retread, just like EJ Dionne jr. Boring, one dimentional, and a liberal extremeist..

Posted by: jimwhite1 | October 3, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: radio3142

"Just one more thing, I can't believe she can't say NUCLEAR! Sometimes it was nucular sometimes it was nuculear, which was interesting, but still WRONG!"

That was annoying. I would also like it if a candidate for national office could understand that it is not "eye-ran" nor "eye-raq".

I admit that these are not the most pressing issues of this campaign. But this sort of thing gives, or takes away, credibility.

p.s. Joe "six-pack" sounds like he needs to call A.A.


Posted by: noslok | October 3, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

"But, Gosh-Darn It, the Bridge to Nowhere was a yes before it was a no
for me, too, also, maybe I CAN play this Washington insider's game,
additionally too, also! If I just had a little teeny tiny bit more
power, got to legislate and cast TWO votes as vice president, and
president of the Senate when MaverickJohnMcCain and I are in office,
why, I betcha we'd have an end to all this gosh darn darn gosh gosh
disagreement in no time; why, we'd be drillin' in ANWR, takin' out
I-ran, and, finally, use that power to be firin" any Senators who ran
against us in this election, Joe (kin I call ya Joe?)...(squeal!!)"

Posted by: notagain08 | October 3, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Seems to me there are too many important issues to consider. When the country has many concerns, and many are very basics,you would feel both sides would present as many details about their policies as possible. McCain-Palin are a big disappoint because of the following: McCain picks someone who has a minute amount of national experience. Palin herself would demand different treatment from McCain's people. It's obvious she still is that deer in headlights. There's lots to absorb and she's not capable of handling that. So all she can spew are how she and McCain are Mavericks. How can this be, when she guided on everything and she's not guiding a thing. I would never allow anyone to constantly place words in my mouth or state a view I do not have. How can she attack Obama or Biden, when she ahs no personal knowledge of anything either of them have done or not done. The country deserves better treatment. So I'm disappointed and fail to see Mavericks in either one. McCain is not standing up to his party and Palin is not standing up to McCain. So show me the Maverick acts.

Posted by: vikkids | October 3, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Let's bring dignity, intelligence, and class back to the White House!

I was somewhat happy she didn't completely humiliate herself, but I was very annoyed and disappointed by her folksy pandering to middle Americans. Besides seeming like a caricature, which is demeaning to people who actually speak like that, it was demeaning to the high office for which she is running. I won't speak to her lack of substance - too many others have covered it. The arrogance and hypocrisy was dripping off my screen.

She invoked Reagan. I'm sure Nancy would've cringed at the notion of the Clampetts showing up at a state dinner, speaking in colloquialisms, asking heads of state, "Can I call you Joe?", with pregnant teen, kindergardner and newborn in tow.

No more cowboys and frontierspeople in the White House PLEASE.

P.S. Shout-out to the 3rd graders at Shepherd Elementary!!

Posted by: DCcomm | October 3, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

A neo-con wind-up doll spewing platitudes. Dumber than W.

Posted by: DemoDevil | October 3, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I absolutely agree with CaptainTC. Palin's PERFORMANCE of falksiness was an offensive and insulting caricature of what real, down-to-earth Americans are like. Do McCain and Palin really think Americans are that stupid?

Posted by: motherforobama | October 3, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Well, low expectations were set and she certainly lived down to them.

We can do so much better.

And if I hear "hockey mom" or "Joe Six-Pack" one more time......geez!

Posted by: TJO73 | October 3, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Palin ducked many questions by asking permission to go back to topics she was familiar with, i.e. energy. Ifil's fault was letting her take control. She left many questions unanswered by using this tactic. She was probably told, “If you don’t know the answer, change the subject.” She also had little to offer in the way of specifics. Folksy cuteness finally took its toll and I turned off the debate after an hour and ten minutes. I'd had enough of Shirley Temple singing "Animal crackers in my soup!" Send Daisy Duke back to Petticoat Junction.

Posted by: marcchagall2 | October 3, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

But, Gosh-Darn It, the Bridge to Nowhere was a yes before it was a no
for me, too, also, maybe I CAN play this Washington insider's game,
additionally too, also! If I just had a little teeny tiny bit more
power, got to legislate and cast TWO votes as vice president, and
president of the Senate when MaverickJohnMcCain and I get in office,
why, I betcha we'd have an end to all this gosh darn darn gosh gosh
disagreement in no time; why, we'd be drillin' in ANWR, takin' out
I-ran, and, finally, use that power to be firin" any Senators who ran
against us in this election, Joe (kin I call ya Joe?)...(squeal!!)

Posted by: notagain08 | October 3, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Her beauty pageant and sportscasting experience serve her well. She's a vapid provincial twit.

Posted by: elkofan | October 3, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Eugene Robinson is a liberal retread, just like EJ Dionne jr. Boring, one dimentional, and a liberal extremeist..

Posted by: jimwhite1 | October 3, 2008 9:12 AM

and yet you read his column. what does that say about you jim?

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | October 3, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

particulary appreciated Joe B's comment, "I will not change."

I guess he didn't get Barack's memo about change...

Posted by: blevins20061 | October 3, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

USA3, I'm fascinated that you are worried Obama will lead to a trillion in new spending. You are right, that is terrible.

Its especially terrible since Bush has brought 4 trillion in new spending -- more than doubling the national debt. His secretary of Treasury pulled out what will probably be a trillion in new spending just last week + the trillion we'll end up spending in IRAQ.

Good to see you are worried now about all of that.

Posted by: mrdorkbutt | October 3, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

If I hear the "one hearbeat away "line from Dems one more time.
Ok- here's something to think about. Palin for whatever reason becomes Pres and guess what? She will get a more qualified VP and cabinet.
Isn't this what Obama has done from the get go?

Change my arse. His personal agenda is more important than that of the american people. She is the american people, not a polished politician.

Biden looked like a dinasour up there.

Posted by: blevins20061 | October 3, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I don't know which is worse - Sarah's acceptance speech, in which she acted like a pitbull with lipstick and designer glasses; her interviews, for which she crammed and then got flustered when she was asked a question that she hadn't studied for (like name a newspaper or two that you routinely read); or 'folksy' Sarah, where she answered the questions she wanted to answer and then kept repeating the answers to those same questions when she was asked other questions she didn't want to or couldn't answer.

If this 'folksy' Sarah was supposed to make me warm up to her, it failed. I caught her several times lying either about the Obama/Biden positions or McCain's. Like Biden and millions of other Americans, I grew up in a working class community, so I have nothing in comon with a woman who hunts caribou, shoots wolves from airplanes (now that's real sportsmanship), and has a favorite recipe for moose stew. My friends and I swap recipes for dips, casseroles and cakes.

Finally, there's that voice! She sounds as though she's in the process of being strangled and peppering all her statements with, "youbetchas" sounded contrived.

My final conclusion was that Joe Biden is a better human being than I am, because he remained gracious throughout the evening. I know if I were stuck on stage with her, I would not have.

Posted by: laSerenissima2003 | October 3, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

The McCain campaign wanted to make this election about "personality," not policy. Around the middle of August, it suddenly dawned on them that McCain has no personality, so they picked Sarah Palin to fill the personality gap. After several weeks of Palin, they realize that Palin is nothing but personality, but the wrong kind, all style and no substance. Now what? (I'm not sure I want to know the answer to that question, by the way.)

Posted by: danatlanta | October 3, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

A McCain supporter refers to Biden as "dinosaur?" This, while all I hear from the McPain camp is the worn-out mantra about how cutting corporate taxes will trickle wealth down to those of us on Main St? The "dinosaur" in the room is Reaganomics. Didn't work then, isn't working now, and McPain's got nothing to offer but more of the same...

Posted by: jlepore1 | October 3, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Another MISTAKE by Silly Sarah:

In addition to NOT answering the questions she was asked
In addition to her transparent attempt at folksiness
In addition to her robot like "stock" responses
In addition to her lack of applied knowledge of the issues
In addition to her negative and shrill tone
In addition to her failing the "is she ready" test...

Sarah Palin ALSO lost the important (to Republicans) "evangelical" vote.

It's well known that these religious fundamentalists did not support McCain until Palin was added to the ticket. But by declaring that, if elected, she and John McCain would certainly allow GAY marriage, along with all the benefits that go along with it, Palin just subtracted the only real benefit she added to the ticket.

Posted by: jgarrisn | October 3, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Your analysis is predictable, Mr. Robinson.

She won. Biden was prone to hyperbole and frankly he is such a Washington insider (read that as yes....a HUGE part of the problem) that he can't effectively engage the American people anymore. It's almost comical that they are selling his team as "change!"

With each of your columns, and your total lack of objectivity and clarity on these matters, you become more irrelevant every day.

It is really time for you to try something else. Journalism just isn't your thing.

Posted by: VoterMom | October 3, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Most any college girl flirts better than this over-the-hill, rapidly aging twit. Oh, you say its about politics and who will run the country? I thought it was one of those low-budget deals that runs after the local news.

Posted by: rusty3 | October 3, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

If I wanted "folksy", I'd write-in Garrison Keeler.

Posted by: collage1 | October 3, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Palin was a flirtatious barbie doll with a fake 'folksie' drawl. Those from the REAL heartland, like me, can see right through that.

This is not a beauty contest, this is a campaign for the most powerful seat in the World.

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | October 3, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Look this Lady won.. Get over it. Remember she has achieved more than MESSIAH OBAMA HAS.. on her OWN. It appears that she earned her way through college, and did not attend Occidental College, Columbia, and Harvard using affirmative action to overcome a checkered high school academic records.( But then OBAMA has covered up any information regarding his academic years.) She also sends her children to PUBLIC SCHOOLS instead of spending 20,000/year that Obama spends to send his daughter to PRIVATE SCHOOLS.

King Obama has played dirty in politics SINCE HE first won in his home state. Obama will cry racist at the drop of a hat. In typical lawyer fashion he cares not for justice, truth, country, honor, duty.. he only wants to win… and be in power. He can not make a decision, he is like a puppet that has his strings pulled by his cronies on the hill and his rich supporters.

Big issue that can be tied directly to Obama and the democrats. Take a look at the revised TARP Bill that came out and was signed yesterday. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WILL TAKE PLACE IF OBAMA IS MADE PRESIDENT.

The House bill was changed and added to behind closed doors. It contains items that the Democrats COULD NOT GET through the Senate. and then they tacked on to this SAVINGS BILL???

Note the following BOND ISSUES that will actually take money out of THAT CREDIT cycle they are crying about.

Renewable Energy Bond Limitation of only 800,000,000.

Increases to Funding Black Lung Disability Trust.

National Xone Academy Bond Limitation only 400,000,000 for schools at poverty levels.

Coal project investment Tax Credit
2,555,000,000

They approved increasing the National Debt limit to 11.300,000,000.

Issued tax credit extensions for the following areas. (This is a joke.. because they hid this so well and ther are bunches more.)

Midwest Store Damage Credit
Secrue Rural Schools Tax Credit
Mental Health and Substance Abuse Credit
Child Tax Credit
Domestic Production Activies Puerto Rico
Expense advance Mine Safety Equipment
Mine Resuce Team Training
Economic Development for American Samoa
Rum Exicsit Tax for Puerton Rico and Virgin Islands.
S Corpations making charitable contributions of property.
Cost recovery for Improvements , restaurant improvement and certain retail improvements tax credit.
Expense and modification of research tax credit.
Oil spill liability fund
Futa Surtax
Green building and sustainable design products
Fringe benefits to bicyle commuters.

This is another example of the Democrats Democrats making these additions behind closed doors, and then forcing everyone to vote for this type of graft.

The initial House Bill was only 109 pages..AFTER the Senate... got done it was 451 pages. The first 109 pages were almost the same as the house bill. When Dodd, Reid and the rest of their cronies got done with the bill, we are in hock for even more money.

If I remember correctly... not an accountant, the Treasury will issue bonds that will pay a certain interest. These will be placed on the open market for investors to purchase.

This means that 1,200,000,000 dollars of money that COULD BE USED FOR main street
credit will be sucked up with by the US Government. Add another 2 Trillion to that in the increase in National Debt.

And they have just 'sucked' 3.2 Trillion dollars out of the credit market.

ISSUE A 2,550,000,000 TAX CREDIT TO COAL PROJECT INVESTMENTS.

And you have a cluster if there ever was one.

The 75 Senators that voted for this Bill, in all likely hood DID NOT EVEN READ this Bill.

They just VOTED.

Now the Mainstream Media will HIDE this as well... because this is a DEMOCRAT sponsored bill.

You can not have a democrat on the hill as PRESIDENT.. that has no original thought, no experience, that listens to DODD,REID, FRANKS,PELOSI, And other democrats on the hill. Obama so far is just a puppet ...his strings are pulled by the DNC, and the ole guard on the hill.

He is now talking about going through next year’s financial budget, line item by line item. But what he is not saying is that next years financial budget was worked on and completed by Obey at the end of September. It was planned in such a manner that NO ONE had a chance to review… because it was only presented to allow 24 hours for review and then it had to be approved. (Obey was very proud that THE PUBLIC and the members of Congress DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE T REVIEW.)

Posted by: miller51550 | October 3, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I was so angry to see Sarah Palin up there pretending to be middle-class.

I'm sorry, but middle-class people don't make $250,000 a year. We don't flit around to 5 colleges (two in HAWAII!), because we only have money for one inexpensive one (or none!). We don't say "doggone it" and "shucks" and we think it's fake when politicians do it. She's gross, and a phony. Anyone from rural America can see that.

This is one fence-sitter who is getting more and more fed up with feeling insulted by the Republicans. I thought McCain would be different, but it seems like it's the same "wink" and trick the U.S. voters as always. I don't love Obama/Biden, but I'm voting for them, because they don't insult my intelligence and think middle-class people are idiots who will fall for a wink and a lie.

Posted by: toriatama | October 3, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Joe Biden deserves the Medal of HONOR for having made it through 90 minutes of obtuseness with that woman. He was spot on perfect, so that the minions aren't screaming sexism and unfair moderator and all else they started spinning in the last few days.

Posted by: SYWanda | October 3, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

While I'm at it, I don't want someone who is folksy, I don't want a hockey mom or hockey dad. I want a capable VP and Pres. who looks and acts like an officer of the United States Government. I don't consider myself a "Joe Six Pack" if it means that this is the way I relate to people. If I must have a VP or a President I want them looking and acting Presidential. I'm sure Condi Rice has her problems, but you can't tell it. Now she looks Presidential and she also commands respect around a world dominated by men. Forget the world, Palin makes ME feel embarrassed.

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 3, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Eugene Robinson's Big Mistake - Eugene has been smelling the rear end of his paper's elite media fumes too much. In the end, Sarah Palin connects with mainstream and people who work for a living. Robinson needs to accept that he is snowblind in the midst of the Washington Post's Obama Lovefest. Hey Gene - your big mistake is that people will vote on what they think and not what some 2 bit jivester who writes for the WP tells them to do. Did you not hear Sarah explain this to the public last night? Gene, try listening again and you can avoid this your Big Mistake!

Posted by: timwaid1 | October 3, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Were I back at my old Toastmasters club and grading these two for extemporaneous speech, Palin would have been consistently marked down for failing to respond to the question asked. One needs to at least work the question into your answer, even if you are going to go off in another direction. Misdirection - a McCain/Palin trait, a preview of things that might be.

Posted by: mischanova | October 3, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

She reminded me of a child showing off for her parents' friends--"See Little Sarah say the alphabet!" "Isn't she cute!"
I was waiting for her to say "Na,na,na,na,na", stick her tongue out at Biden (oops! Joe) and walk away, arm in arm with her two best Republican friends.

I'm guessing her education plan doesn't allow for students to get too [darn] smart and go get a Harvard PhD or anything.

I am gloating because I won a bet in my "Sarah Palin Debate Pool", that she would wear her hair down (to look as adorable as possible).

Posted by: foxtrot1 | October 3, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Let's face it, there was nothing "real" about Sarah Palin. She didn't answer anything, and even proudly stated she wasn't going to answer the way Biden or the moderator wanted, that she would do it her way. She sure did that, most of the time she asked and answered her own questions. She did nothing more than blabber on and on giving the same sound bites from her tired rehearsed speeches we are all sick of as well as repeatedly tout her coached talking points. She made snl's job all too easy for them to mock her on saturday. They don't even have to write anything, just reinact what she really did. Thank God we only have a few more weeks to deal with her and her ancient "maverick" lolol. Please, who do they think is falling for that bs??

Posted by: sweetlilsoul | October 3, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

What confounds me is that having a "folksy" demeanour is supposedly a good thing. Looking at the most recent "folksy" type to inhabit the hallowed halls I would think that most people, even the "folksy" ones, should shy away from such a repeat of history. One thing is guaranteed, should McCain and Palin take office, the world would be very disappointed with America's choice; a disappointed world is not a good thing for a capitalist country on its knees, especially one that relies as much on good will as it does on oil.

Posted by: icurhuman2 | October 3, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Eugene Robinson's Big Mistake - Eugene has been smelling the rear end of his paper's elite media fumes too much. In the end, Sarah Palin connects with mainstream and people who work for a living. Robinson needs to accept that he is snowblind in the midst of the Washington Post's Obama Lovefest. Hey Gene - your big mistake is that people will vote on what they think and not what some 2 bit jivester who writes for the WP tells them to do. Did you not hear Sarah explain this to the public last night? Gene, try listening again and you can avoid this your Big Mistake!

Posted by: timwaid1 | October 3, 2008 9:57 AM

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Hey, how come McCain supporters attack other people so often? We're talking about the debate, here, not about Gene.

I don't know why you had to get so personally insulting ("Smelling the rear end"? Really?), but it makes your candidate look bad when his supporters act like 2nd graders.

Posted by: toriatama | October 3, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Eugene, aren't you tired of carrying water for Obama? Oh, I forgot, it's a pleasure for you, to see a black man in the White House, to make tis, the "Age of Obama".

Vice Presidents and Vice Presdidntial candidates don't make policy. They generally, whole-heartedly support "the man", checking their opinins at the door.

It is to Sarah Palin (and McCain's) credit that she didn't mince words when there were differences between her and McCain's views on energy policy.

OTOH, it was sad to see a veteran senator such as Biden, who ought to have headed the ticket, meekly submitting to Obama's views, notwithstanding his oft epxressed differences during the primary campaign. It is as if he sold his sould to become a Veep.

Failing atth enomination, he should have remained a senator, where he would have wielded far more influence. Or he could have become the Secretary of State (in either administration!) and restored US's stature around the world. Instead, he chose to be relegated to the sidelines, where, if this ticket wins, he would be coaching Junior at best, or answerable to the lowliest white house gaffer at worst.

Posted by: pKrishna43 | October 3, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Didn't we learn from the folksy, Texas-twanged, "outsider" maverick, that darned cute George W. Bush, the guy we'd have a beer with, that actually governing is NOT one of their strengths?

The Republicans seem to have only one card to play, and they play it over and over and over. There are still Americans who don't care beans about substance and who want government to crash, but most of us do care about substance and want government to work!

Sarah, Todd, and the kids will be so much happier in Alaska, just like George W. was always immensely happier in Texas, so much so that he made it obvious all the time! Already Sarah has shown that she prefers staying in Wasilla to Juneau, the capitol.

Aren't we fed up with shallow types? And McCain has shown himself to be more "image" than "substance" as well. As his bluster is supposed to show us a strong leader -- but ask yourself -- exactly what has he accomplished with the bluster of the last months and years? What actual leadership has he shown? Isn't it a "show", a "gamble", a "mask"? He changes his slogans and self-description week-by-week.

We need the team of Obama-Biden more than ever!

Posted by: cturtle1 | October 3, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

What did you expect Robinson to say? The guy is a member of the Obama PR staff.

Posted by: bobmoses | October 3, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I think she did a pretty good job. No, she is not a policy wonk, or a lawyer. But she held her own, seemed at ease with herself, made her points, and generally passed muster. She did not come off as a dunce as many expected.

Posted by: emily8 | October 3, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

More red meat for your army of obots, you never fail to disappoint them, Eugene. Sad thing is, Gov. Palin connected with more "real folks" in 90 minutes than Sen. Obama has in his whole career of running for POTUS.

Posted by: soupcity | October 3, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

In what respect Gwen?

The thing that struck me, as I noted on my blog this morning was the 4 times that I counted when Palin completely changed the subject from what was asked of her. I'm not sure if there are more, but there were 4 that I counted and documented this morning from the transcript.

http://palincounter.blogspot.com/

Posted by: goathead | October 3, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

emily8, I thought she did come off as a dunce. Or maybe a trained animal. Ever heard of Clever Hans? His trainer made it look like he knew math. Sarah Palin's trainers made it look like she knew politics.

But when you compare her nonanswers to Biden's answers, you can see it clearly: Sarah Palin memorized answers and turned in a Clever Hans performance.

Posted by: toriatama | October 3, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin reminds us of campaigning George Bush Jr., one example... pronunciation of nuclear and someone you could chum up with... gosh, gee wiz, darn it!

Posted by: chankla2 | October 3, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

This country needs a leader not a cheer leader, the only thing Palin needed was pom poms. Her inappropiate flirtatious behavior would have been the norm on a stripper's stage. This was supposed to be a debate for one of the world's highest office, instead all we got from her was scripted programmed answers that were borderline at best and nonsensical at worst. I admit she is cute, and camera savvy, able to wink and wrinkle her nose at the drop of a hat. That is where she shines, I wonder if the thinking women of this country can support a candidate who is as vacuous as her. She was programmed to appeal to Joe sixpack and working America and to do this she brings up the war in Iraq, calling Barack's plan SURRENDER. The only surrender in this race is the McCain campaign's abandonment of true middle class working America by waving
the white flag in Michigan and quitting the race, that, my friends, is the definition of surrender. She speaks of her great impact in getting funds for the pipeline in Alaska, truth be known, no funds have been allotted nor any ground broken. Just another tall tale spun by the lockstep followers of the Right and, of course Rove. Contrast this with Biden, who was crisp, to the point, with a myriad of cogent ideas to be carried out by his ticket. The choices could not be clearer, a pretty face with no ideas teamed with an out of touch old man whose day has passed or a vibrant duo who bring ideas, exuberance, and honesty to the table.
There is an old saying, "you can't make a racehorse out of a mule", the only mule in this race is McCain.

Posted by: jbrubin | October 3, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Yes, please get Palin out there on the talk show circuit. Extended exposure will assure the Obama/Biden ticket of the White House. Palin did a decent job of avoiding landmines (she also admittedly avoided most of the questions so she could focus on her rehearsed talking points), but she doesn't do well without a script (see Couric interviews). It amazes me that Americans insist on voting for "someone like us". I, for one, would like to see some competence in the White House for a change.

Posted by: jh1965 | October 3, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Soooo many things bothered me about Sarah Palin's performance (can we nominate her for an Emmy in the category of Best Supporting Actress in the Comedy/Tragedy, "America's Future"?), but here are some:

1. Was anyone reminded of George W's debate performances? The bar had been set so low for Sarah Palin, it was subterranean. All she had to do was show up, not dribble and put at least two coherent sentences together. Mission Accomplished - but so what? I'm unclear on the specifics as to HOW the McCain-Palin ticket intends to accomplish anything in their administration, and her performance did nothing to assist my understanding.

2. Her “Can I call you Joe?” at the beginning was a complete set-up for the “Say it ain’t so, Joe” comment later on. That little piece of rehearsed theatre completely belies the “I’m just one of you” persona she portrayed during the debate. (I think she attended the Kathie Lee Gifford School for OverActing.)

3. It was so hypocritical for her to constantly replay her own resume as mayor/governor and McCain’s as a war hero/long-time senator, but the minute Senator Biden brought up the last eight years of the Bush administrations actions/inactions and McCain’s support of them, she accused him of “living in the past” and “looking backward.” You can’t have it both ways. If you’re going to rely on those eight years as part of your credentials to be Pres/VP, then your opponent has the right to question your positions/policies/decisions during that same time frame.

4. Saying you’re “a maverick” and “tolerant” doesn’t make it so. People who always pat themselves on the back in such an obvious way seem really immature to me. She reminded me of the bully on the playground who would shout “I’m smarter than you are” loudly under the mistaken belief that volume makes one’s position more valid.

I don’t think she’s qualified to be Vice-President or President of the United States of America. Period.

However, I hear Mike Huckabee’s looking for a sidekick for his new talk show . . .

Posted by: pfallsgirl | October 3, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I feel that if you are going to be in a debate please follow the rules. We hold high school students to a higher standard than we do our next VP candidates. This was a horrible display of a debate. One candidate showed up and the other one gave a speech. Is she now running for president? She never answered a question in detail. She worked the crowd. I am from the middle class. I am a female. I resent the fact that the middle calls is all about lipstick and a six pack. I have real problems and real concerns. My life isnot about hockey or soccer. I am about to loose my job after 27 years with the same company. I am 49 1/2. I will loose my health and life insurance. I needed to be 50 years old to retire with benefits. I don't need to hear a bunch of "you betchas", and so on.. If these were different times, economy was booming I still wouldn't want someone like McCain/Palin in the white house.

Posted by: selinab | October 3, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Wow! What a quick read.

Sarah's gone from imbecile to contemptuous thug in just days. I think she's got a real future.

Before it's over, she'll end up a full-fledged Bush-Cheney mutant.

She's already got GWB's ignorance thing down pat.

And she's great with that smirky "Dumber-Than-a Rock-and-Damn-Proud-of-It" thing that Bush perfected like no other president before him.

Now all she need do is to work on developing more surliness. For that, she'll need to study more Cheney video. At this rate, she'll surpass McCain in that department in weeks.

I know she can do it. She's come so far, so fast.

Posted by: loulor | October 3, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

What now discredits Palin is the fact that she will refuse to expose herself to the media.

We already have too much secrecy in our government. We certainly do not need secrecy in our candidates.

If a candidate refuses to make his or her positions known to the voters, and refuses to answer relevant questions concerning their campaign platform positions, then it must be assumed the candidate is not knowledgeable and/or maintains positions that are mostly unpopular with the voters. Either way, that candidate deserves zero votes from the voters.

That is why Palin is a loser. There is no candidate there to vote for.

Posted by: kevinschmidt | October 3, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

okay, i am a supporter of sens. obama/biden and i seriously was beginning to wonder if the past few week's stumbles by gov. palin were a sandbagging grand scam by the mccain campaign leading up to last night's grand slam; but i finally figured out what it was about gov. palin last night that turned me off. it was like watching two different realities: one a gracious, experienced and knowledgeable senator, one we all know and feel comfortable with, running for vice president; and the other reese witherspoon running for senior class president which wore very thin as the night went on.

Posted by: sbvpav | October 3, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I think if Gwen Ifill had stopped the debate and specifically requested that Palin answer the questions as presented instead of allowing her to run her stock answers the whole debate would have changed. Once her rythm was interrupted she never would have gotten it back. Biden was a gentlemen, Palin was just nasty. We have suffered through nasty for 8 long years. ENOUGH! Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: lorac58 | October 3, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I thought the debate went well. This is the first time I have actually done fact checking for myself in an election. I thought Palin did really well. I think both of them covered talking points well, but Biden was really on talking points. He had several factual misrepresentations about McCain especially on foreign affairs. His quip about the bridge to nowhere I thought was out of line in light of the fact he and Obama voted twice to send the money to Alaska anyway when they could have sent it to Katrina victims. As for Palin being scary to people about making decisions in a war, no President makes a decision without the detailed consultation of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The JCOS play a direct role in decision making and she would never move without that consultation and approval of Congress when necessary. It concerned me that Biden completely misrepresented McCains healthcare tax credit. Under Obama's plan he would require healthcare for children and penalize parents who do not have insurance for their children. Some single parents who can't get a state to collect child support can't afford health insurance. What then do you penalize them? I saw many mistakes last night on both sides but more from Biden.

Posted by: kalexander1 | October 3, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Funny no one commented on Bidens bridge to nowhere comment. I thought that was the perfect zinger.

The McCain/Obama debate lacked because McCain had opened up great opportunity for Obama to hit one out the park but he chose not to.

I wanted Obama to nail him when McCain was going on and on about his anti-earmark stance. Why didn't Obama pull out the Bridge there?

I am a woman and I am saying this. This is why men don't want woman in politics. Had either one of them (men) attacked Palin short and empty record today's paper would be about how Biden was sexist.

Remember the Gibson interview all you heard in defense of her missteps was "Gibson was sexist...He looked down at her, etc., etc."

Posted by: tluvdantz | October 3, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Biden was all substance, facts, depth. Palin was a superficial caricature spouting talking points, never answering any of the questions. She is totally unqualified for the VP, or worse the president. This is not even close. McCain's choice of Palin is the most cynical, craven and desperate gamble for power which shows they both have no real respect or concern for the United States and all of us citizens. For Palin to allow herself to be used, only because she is a woman, for this gambit demonstrates she has no self respect or shame.

Posted by: db11232 | October 3, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

CaptainTC, you're right. Go back and pull up the Alaska governer's race debates from 2006, and she had none of the "doggones" "you betchas" etc. It's a put on.

Posted by: RollaMO | October 3, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I am still hung up on the fact she just kept winking at the camera, a little disconcerting.
However my 20 year old nephew has a better grasp of the issues then this Governor / Mayor. I actually do question whether she reads anything more then, People and Glamour magazines.

Posted by: NHEngineer | October 3, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

It would appear, like Bush 2 in his debates, Palin was wearing a wire. She was obviously listening to directions from afar or even close range.

Do we want another puppet in the White House?
Two are enough.

Posted by: tedjulinski | October 3, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Wow, I can't believe that there are still a few people who think that she is qualified to be VP. Did anyone see how Giuliani praised Palin on the Today Show? WOW....

The only thing she did last night was raise her expectations from very low to low. She appeared to be ***wink*** a wind up ***wink, wink*** new version of a brunette Barbie Doll. If she is representation of hockey moms, then I'll never want to be one in my life.

By the way, her cutsie ootsie way of coming off is not only insulting, but annoying. I want to see her campaign in an urban area. Wonder if she's ever interacted with black folk?

Posted by: pbhs | October 3, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Before the DNC convention, I was for McCain. After the DNC convention, I was for Obama. After the RNC convention, I was for McCain (not only because of Palin). After the 1st Pres. debate, I was slightly for Obama (even though I believe McCain won) because of Palin's interviews. I was worried for her in tonight's debate. But lo and behold. She spanked him big time! I'm totally sold out for McCain/Palin. No more flip-flopping. Obama is self-rightehous messiah wanna-bee. Biden showed who really is - a lying politician. So what if Sarah didn't understand 'Achilles Heel'? Big deal. Go McCain/Palin. You have my vote and the vote of my whole clan of 1000 people!

Posted by: FlipFlopper | October 3, 2008 12:59 AM

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WOW! You are so powerful. And such a poser. Who the shucky darn heck calls themself a flipflopper. Poser.

Posted by: netwitone | October 3, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Quoting a posting friend: "First of all, that folksy, aw-shucks, soccer mom, say it ain't so Joe, wink, wink, shtick sickened me to the point of nausea. Then, her refusal to answer questions and actually saying that she was not going to answer questions from the moderator was an insult to Americans."

And from another friend: "Can't you just imagine Palin's "local yokel/hillbilly" naive personality dealing with world leaders, diplomats and foreign dignitaries??? Smart-ass "cute-sy" remarks, mischievous winking at the camera like a flirty highschooler, avoiding direct answers after pointedly saying she intends to???????? Egads!! How scary!! And she still doesn't pronounce "Ay-rabs," "eye-rack," "eye-ran," "is-REAL" or "Ahmadinejad" correctly".

Granny Quaylin is as phony as a $3 bill. Please Sarah, go back to Alaska and concentrate on your mooseburgers. I did not think it was possible to find someone who was dumber, more incompetent & sounded worse than George Bush but McSame has outdone himself with this vp pick.

Posted by: Magginkat | October 3, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

It seemed to me like she had been programmed to make certain answers regardless of whether or not these answers matched the question. That shows 1) either the McCain people didn't trust her to formulate off-the-cuff answers, or else 2) she didn't trust herself enough. Either one is not good. The question about whether or not to make a nuclear first strike is one that even George Bush could have answered when he was running in 2000. The McCain campaign is well aware of all the questions about his health, etc., so this MUST be something that a McCain Vice president would have a position on and should be something that a McCain vice president would have a position on. Yet she took a pass on the entire question.

Posted by: ripvanwinkleincollege | October 3, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone believe Sarah Palin when she said it was a joke when she said she didn't know what the Vice President does? Yeah right. I also don't believe she has any gay friends or is for gay rights.

Posted by: Stuckincubeland | October 3, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

kalenxader1,

How can you say Palin had less mistakes than Biden? First she said she wasnt going to answer the questions asked by the moderator, clearly the first shot that she cant answer the questions. And when asked foreign policy questions she wanted to go back to energy. It is unreal to read that Biden was worse than she. To me he was straight forwards answered clearly and set out a plan. She did neither.........

Posted by: rharring | October 3, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Gidget goes to Washington!

Palin didn't screw up because there was no follow up to her questions. If you notice, the problems she really had with Katie Couric was when Katie pressed her for specifics. Palin is Caribou Barbie, Cheerleader of the Arctic Wilderness! Since Gwen Ifill didn't press her much for specifics, Caribou Barbie was able to spew her collection of canned answers. An impressive performance for a TV personality, but honestly, the woman is an empty suit.

Personally, I loved her line about "Blunders in the past", and "every administration makes blunders".. you're looking backward. That was hilarious. Joe caught her on the inanity of her approach to climate change (how can you fix it if you don't know what's causing the problem?). Same to be said for those pesky blunders.

By the way... Blunder is what she calls invading a sovereign nation on a false premise, killing tens of thousands of people, losing 4,000 of our plus tens of thousands wounded, and spending hundreds of billions of dollars we can't afford.

Oh, gee that's a blunder, well happens all the time. Isn't it sunny out?

Joe Biden took it easy on her, and did his job, going after John McCain. Past is indeed prologue: McCain is no maverick, voting 90% pro-Bush the last 8 years.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 3, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

To be specific she wasn't specific and did a good job of spewing out sound bites but didn't demonstrate any deep knowledge of issues.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | October 3, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Palin's presentation was not natural, of course. Likewise, of course her answers were canned repetitions of talking points that usually failed to address, let along answer, the question asked. In general her presentation was good in the same way any current events section of a beauty queen contest would be good.

If this is what America wants to lead the free world, I grieve for America.

Posted by: jpk1 | October 3, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

It's not that Governor Palin did not want to answer the questions Gwen Ifill posed to her, she simply realized she could not. After a minute of rambling incoherently telling us things we already knew, the Governor would realize she had nothing of real substance to say and would suddenly look down and start reading one of her prepared speeches on ten various points regardless of their relevance to the question asked.

I do think Senator Biden would have benefited from being a little more aggressive in pointing out Palin's refusal to answer the questions though I understand he was being careful not to appear overly agressive. One little nudge however would have sent Palin into "I guess I'll just have to get back to you on that one!" mode and would made the debate a whole lot more entertaining. Tina Fey could have expressed more real opinions and policies last night than Sarah Palin.

Obama '08

Posted by: MaybemovinAUSSIE | October 3, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Robinson,
No, only the most hardened Obama partisan could come to such a "first take" conclusion as yours about last night's debate.

In reality, Sarah Palin turned the tables on Barack Obama, the media, and turned this Presidential race back in the direction of John McCain.

Some of the the spin could not be further from the truth:

Not only was this not about low expectations or ‘Sarah besting Sarah’ but she was everything her critics said she was not!

She’s obviously bright, smart, quick, detail-oriented, a strong executive leader, and was in control from the moment she said “May I call you Joe?” at the start.

More importantly, she turned the tables on Barack Obama and the choice voters have in four weeks.

She pointed out that Mr. Obama has spent the entire campaign flailing against George Bush and looking backward.

In this crisis, she indicated, we need leaders who are looking forward. In effect she was saying: Are we going to exchange bad for worse?

She pointed out that McCain has outlined a clear, responsible plan for getting the economy moving and out of the problem we’re in – getting control of the budget, cutting spending, cutting taxes – all the basic fundamentals that we advise other countries to do when THEY are in a fiscal crisis.

This is versus Mr. Obama’s approach, which is $1 trillion in new spending proposals from promises made in his campaign, combined with higher taxes on small businesses and individuals, and even capital gains taxes!

How, with $700B going for the Wall Street Bailout and $400B already committed to previous bailouts, are we going to add another $1 Trillion in new spending?

So Sara Palin outlined a clear choice for voters: Get the budget under control and the government within its means, cut spending, cut taxes to stimulate growth and jobs, and get us moving immediately to energy independence. And get the parties working together again and stop the finger pointing.

The choice could not be more clear.

Posted by: votewithyourfeet | October 3, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

As a lifetime Republican voter I've been struggling to justify voting for McCain/Palin this year. Last night sealed the deal though--she is too phony and too juvenile. Too phony for me to vote for a ticket with her on it and too juvenile for such an important office.

Please stop saying "Maverick" and please, please, please no more "shout-outs". You are embarrassing me and my party!

Posted by: buckeyebuckeye | October 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Palin is a "post turtle". She should not be up there on that post!

Biden did great at nailing McCain and his failed policy. I especially like how he answered that health plan proposal from McCain. Why should we accept a $5000 tax break instead of having a health insurance that we can count on?

It is mavericky but if we can't get a health insurance agent that offers us an insurance we can afford then we will be without any health insurance. Basically it is a gamble that McCain think is a winning strategy in getting him elected because it is a $5000 carrot he is dangling in front of our face.

If you can think further though, you will realize that it is just a gimmick and it will be taxed so it is under $5K and on top of that you will probably not be able to get a health insurance if you have pre existing conditions.

Posted by: hlaser1 | October 3, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I'm beginning to think you, Gene, and E.J. are the only sane ones left at the Post's opinion page. "Folksy" folks may not be the best at high-fallutin' intellectual endeavors, but one thing's for sure: they can spot a phony a country mile away.

Posted by: LucyLou1 | October 3, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Ohhh, forgot...Palin still thinks we invaded EYE ROCK to fight the Al Queda???
Guess she's been studying Cheney for the part!

Posted by: paco282 | October 3, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

As a resident of a Texas town of 10,000 I resent Palin's hickish portrayal of small town people.
We want the war ended, universal health care, and college for everyone as basic American rights, freedom from our oil addiction and the promise of noillegal wars without congressional declaration. We want Obama/Biden. You betcha, yeah.

Posted by: GeorgenotWinTexas | October 3, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: hclark1 | October 3, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

If Ms. Palin had been honest and thoughtful from the start, she would have replied to Sen. McCain's offer to be his running mate by telling him that although she was honored, she could not do so--now. She would have been able to own up to needing far wider experience than she had at the moment, far more diverse experience than what has been available to her as governor of Alaska.

As it is, all that is left for her to do is to continue avoiding honest answers to any substantive question put to her.

Posted by: quietobserver | October 3, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I watched the so-called VP debate. My main take away was Governor Palin could not answer the question put to her. She obviously had practiced some kind of script, and stuck to that.

When Governor Palin did speak on energy policy, I found her singing "the same old song" about independence from foreign oil. Politicians have been talking about independence from foreign oil for decades. No action has been taken. Responsible leaders, like my Washington State Governor Gregoire, have pushed for alternative energy, like wind farms. Further, responsible leaders push for conservation, reducing energy consumption. Biden gets that. Republicans seem to be stuck on developing energy supplies. Palin pushed her state's development of Natural Gas supplies (a future pipeline project presumably running down thru Canada, eh?). Democrats, lead by Al Gore, are leading in conservation plans, reducing demand for energy.

Posted by: rmorris391 | October 3, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Lipstick on a Stinking Corpse....

some really great reaction to the debate at http://23-7.blogspot.com

Posted by: levison | October 3, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

She wants to be folksy like Ronald Reagan, but doesn't understand that it only works *after* you have years of experience!

Meanwhile her experienced running-mate is cranky and impulsive...

Not a winning combination, if you ask me.

Posted by: rwolf01 | October 3, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

She really cranked up the folksy "charm" tonight. It is a clear strategy to present her as someone who is from outside the beltway, but I wonder if she didn't overdo it a bit. Things which play well in her stump speech like "Drill Baby Drill" are not going to be embraced by a majority of the electorate. It signals full capitulation to the oil companies.

Posted by: fletc3her | October 3, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin got on my nerves last night. She came out fiesty which was good, but her mannerisms really worry me. She is taking the vp job like it is some kind of comic relief job. Her winking of the eyes and the fake folksy talk does not look like what I want in somebody who is going to be in one of the two top positions of this country. Is she trying to replace Tina Fey as a comedian? She is no Tina Fey.

Posted by: MaryHiggins1 | October 3, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Gov. Palin could even be re-elected as Governor of Alaska at this point? The more we get to know her, we see less and less substance and a more contrived persona. When this election is over, I believe Sarah will have to go home and she will have a lot of repair work to do with the people of her state.

Posted by: xargaw | October 3, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Eugene, you're right. Palin was short on substance and ideas. Some may like her style, others will find it forced and grating, but most will conclude that she simply is not ready for the vice presidency.

Palin might have been passable during a time of peace and prosperity, but not when America is facing (or is that 'facin'?) serious challenges abroad and at home.

Posted by: ANetliner | October 3, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Ask yourself if Condaleeza Rice gave such a babbling, incoherent performance during press conference on the Middle East, would the WHITE MSM be so forgiving or impressed by her "folksy" quality? HELL NO! They would demand a serious Secretary of State for the serious time we are in.

NPM1 you hit the nail right on the head. The conservative dummies who support Palin would want Rice's head on a platter if she came off this stupid and rehearsed. There is such a double standard in this country it makes me ill.

Posted by: pbhs | October 3, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I think it was clear that Biden won last night's debate. If Palin says soccer mom or hockey mom or even mom anymore, I'll toss it. This is about being the second in command of the United States. She isn't good enough, period, to be the vice president, and I don't think she gets it. Some called for her to withdraw. She won't, but she should. And, McCain should be ashamed at his blatant attempt to steal the campaign thunder with such a sorry running mate.

Posted by: MILW | October 3, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin unfortunatley running in the wrong election cycle. Had she and John McCain been running after President Clinton was in office, she may have a better shot. However- after 8 years of MESS that W has created for us, now is NOT the time for "you betchas" and "dog gone its". We are facing the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression. Our boys are over seas dying in a war that should never have been started. We need those in office who can answer questions with a clear conscise GROWN UP answer rather than small town Wasilla Alaska twang. Not the time, not the place. If she wants to speak in those terms, then Wasilla Alaska is where she belongs. Go back home Govenor, and sit on your porch and scare Putin out of our airspace with a smile, a wink, and a You Betcha.

Posted by: pollypocketz | October 3, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

How could anybody who is halfway serious or paying attention believe McCain-Palin offer change? Change what? The republicans have controlled the government for most of the last 30 years. Now they want us to believe they are here to change things. They complain about how bad the "gpvermemt" is, when in fact they have been the government. Holy cow, if want good government, you should turn it over to the same people who have given us the fiscal irresponsibility, corruption, lobbyist culture and reckless foreign policy that have put us in the sad state we find ourselves today. No. What the republicans have absolutely proven is that they cannot be trusted to deliver good government, at least not the kind of government that is good for most of us or the long term health of our country. As was expected, the GOP loyalists went ga-ga over Palin's performance last night, basically because should didn't drool on herself. Biden obviously has a depth of knowledge, personal "gravity" and intellect that would offer us good service in these times as vp or president. Palin is not only a lightweight, she is another empty suit puppet that the republcans keep trying to infict upon us. Even her "folksy" small town, "I'm one of you" stuff is such a put on. My family is "small town" going back at least 5 generations, and her phoney cheerleader personality is gut wrenching. She is not one of us. And even if she is, she should't be more than a county commissioner. She is mean, vindictive, power hungry and an insincere phoney. That is what she has proved so far.

Posted by: watchingduck | October 3, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

After her first few answers, Palin's rapid fire recitation and re-recitation of talking points began to sound like dogs barking, no substnace, just noise. She did peg the "perkiness" meter though.

Posted by: JoeBewildered | October 3, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin used the word maverick many times to refer to both of them (McCain/Palin). I looked in the dictionary to see the exact meaning of maverick and how it relates to these two people. According to the dictionary it means "Being independent in thought and action".

The question is do we want two people who are so independent in their thoughts and actions as the president and vp. They will not work with the senate or congress or with any of the allies of the United States. They want it their own way. Which is very dangerous since they will be discounting what the American public wants and go it their own way. McCain showed that he is a maverick by chosing Sarah Palin without discussing it with anybody else. He had no vp vetting team telling him that he should pick Sarah Palin. He ended up chosing someone for her looks with an IQ of that of a moose. The commander in chief of US should make intelligent decisions, not risky and airheaded decisions.

Posted by: JohnMcCormick | October 3, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

for all of you voting for the "Messiah" you need to do your homework. He is not qualified to wipe my butt. Sarah has more executive exp than Biden & BO have in their toes. Sarah did great.
get a life-do your homework.
Hillary/Sarah 08

Posted by: NJPlitt | October 3, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I do not know why it surprises anyone that Sarah Palin is a fake and lacks depth and breath of policy issues. I saw that on the night of the RNC Convention. In just one month, all the stupidity, shallowness and poverty of knowledge that John McCain has imposed on the psyche of Americans has now come to fore. You can see last night Palin was just incoherently spitting all the things that she had crammed over the last few days out - a situation that reminded me of unintelligent students while we were in elementary and high schools during exams will just regurgitate tutor's notes verbatim even if the exam questions had no bearing to those crammed stuff. Plain stupid! Yet the same people who sang her praises a month ago are at it again...She did well, she did not implode blah! blah! blah!

Posted by: midas20874 | October 3, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Palin's refusal to answer questions mirrors the type of administration she has run in Alaska which is one of secrecy, arrogance, and vindictiveness. Tonight she showed not only that she can learn and regurgitate canned answers but that she is also incredibly power hungry with the statement that the vp should constitutionally be granted more power over the legislative branch. Her sugary winking portrayal of her and her family as "middle-class" in touch with "hockey moms and joe six-pack" is ludicrous when you realize that her family owns 3 homes and had a six figure income before she ever became governor. Evidently she figures that working class men are all drunks (joe six-pack) that can be won over by winking and trying to look cute. God help us all if this power hungry war mongering woman ever has access to nuclear launch codes. Send her back to Alaska where she can't do the rest of us any harm.

Posted by: truthhurts01 | October 3, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I suspect she pronounces nuclear wrong on purpose. She is a phony and a fake and a loser.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | October 3, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I was deeply insulted by Palin's utter disrespect for Ifill, Biden, and most of all, us, the American people. She could end up being president of this country - the most powerful position in the world -and she thinks it's okay to lie, spout talking points, ignore questions, and provide absolutely no examples of anything she said. Not only that, she kept mispronouncing words I consider to be fairly important in the current climate, e.g. "eye-rack" instead of "ee-rock" and "eye-ran" instead of "ee-ron" and most of all, saying NUKULAR instead NUCLEAR about a dozen times. I literally thought my head was going to explode about the seventh time she said "nukular".

Finally, I have to agree most emphatically with the poster who said what was particularly glaring in its' absence was the subject of women's rights. Joe Biden has done so much for women in this country with his Violence Against Women Act (VAWA), while Palin wants to do all she can to remove many of the rights we've had to fight so hard for. She believes a child wo is raped and imprgnated--even if by her father or another relative--should be forced to carry the child to term. As Mayor she cut the funding for rape kits from the Wasilla budget while at the same time asking for a brand-new Suburban "for official city business". The people of Wasilla said there had never been an "official vehicle" before and questioned why she would need one considering most things were in walking distnace.

We need tue leaders who can effect positive change in this world.

Obama/Biden 08

Posted by: laserbeam | October 3, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

For me, the difference could not have been starker:

When Joe Biden was talking about visiting Chad and seeing the refugee camps and people dying, the line that went through my head was: "I can see Russia from my state!"

I think Sarah Palin did much better than I expected her to, at the same time, came across as woefully inadequate for VP material. That winking gosh-darn attitude just rubbed off wrong on me, I guess.

And she wants to continue the Cheney branch of Government? *shiver*

Posted by: kdeshpande | October 3, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

to gwshening: "AIR" being the operative word here!!! Hot air, air head.....


gwshening wrote " Fresh air. Fresh air. American people, what you get is "fresh air."

With Gov. Palin, finally, we got some fresh air!

Posted by: yagottabekiddin | October 3, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Democrats for McSame and the Impaler??? Gees even the Republicans aren't for her!!!

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: hclark1 | October 3, 2008 11:53 AM

Posted by: yagottabekiddin | October 3, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Still no substance. And I'm not taken in by her false folksiness.

I'm still curious - WHY did McCain pick her when there are other women so much more suited for this position that would've really made him a contender. Who is advising him? Does he have a screw loose?

When he's with Palin on TV interviews, he sounds like an overbearing father defending her incompetence. It's pathetic. Why doesn't anyone tell her the presidential election isn't a football game and she's not a cheerleader rah rah bouncing and perking on the sidelines?

Perky How sappy.

Posted by: itsagreatday1 | October 3, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

And Palin graduated with a degree in journalism?

And Palin is the Gov of Alaska?

Oh Gosh darn it...as such shouldnt she be more knowledgeable about the world around her. Gwen Ifil was very kind to her not asking her what kind of interaction she had or would have with Putin...I mean doesnt he like fly over Alaska all the time.

As a hockey mom shouldnt she had been more empathetic to Joe Biden's tragedy..that Can I call you Joe was just so phony it wasnt even funny.

This debate performance is a clear indictement as to her inability to hold the 2nd highest office in the land...by the way gee wiz isn't that the USA?

Posted by: latinles1 | October 3, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

They even tried to get Sarah to say "nu-cu-lar." Except that she kept forgetting and using the correct pronunciation by mistake. And whenever she tried to lob a mud pie at Biden -- "There you go again, Joe..." or "doggoneit," her voice sounded so stilted I was looking for the hidden teleprompter. Or did they implant some kind of direct electronic transceiver directly into her brain? At one point I distinctly thought I heard her say "37 off tackle blue, hut..."

Sarah Palin is a clown, and Americans are smarter than people are taking us for. Anyone who would even try to compare this no-nothing candidate vs. Barack Obama is living in an alternate reality. The most positive thing you can say about Sarah Palin is that she makes even George W. Bush look good by comparison...

Posted by: jerkhoff | October 3, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"A maverick is a stray calf."
Good point... another metaphore:

The last few days have shown McCain is more of a loose cannon than a maverick.

He rolls and bounces across the deck, depending on which way it is listing, totally at the mercy of the next big wave.

Posted by: plaza04433 | October 3, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

This maverick thing I believe is a good way to go because America wants change. And it is positive to position yourself as one of us. But where it falls down is that it is totally unbelievable coming from McCain/Palin because it is the same generic crap Bush said.

If they were to say we are kicking out any neocon’s in our campaign and we refute these policies they hold and will replace them with well-considered conservative thought that would work. Right now the only change that is change is Obama/Biden because it is change from what we have. Also, being one of us means you need to be brighter then me but been from where I came from. Obama/Biden has and are brighter.

Posted by: jolu32339 | October 3, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"Wow! Three cheers for Palin. What a comeback. Now the McCain campaign must get her out on the talk shows"
--
Yes, let's make sure to get her on as many unscripted interviews as possible before the election, maybe her first press conference too!.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 3, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Palin was wearing a bigger flag pin, therefore she won.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 3, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Her enunciation of "Nuclear" as "Nucular" sounds strangely familiar and I'm not sure we want to go there again.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 3, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"Do you believe as Vice President Cheney does, that the Executive Branch does not hold complete sway over the office of the vice presidency, that it it is also a member of the Legislative Branch?"

Palin: Well, our founding fathers were very wise there in allowing through the Constitution much flexibility there in the office of the vice president. And we will do what is best for the American people in tapping into that position and ushering in an agenda that is supportive and cooperative with the president's agenda in that position. Yeah, so I do agree with him that we have a lot of flexibility in there, and we'll do what we have to do to administer very appropriately the plans that are needed for this nation. And it is my executive experience that is partly to be attributed to my pick as V.P. with McCain, not only as a governor, but earlier on as a mayor, as an oil and gas regulator, as a business owner. It is those years of experience on an executive level that will be put to good use in the White House also.

Posted by: codysea | October 3, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

All the debate pundits last night were overwhelmingly sexist.

Had a man given that same performance, he would have been laughed off the stage. All that mugging and artificial folksiness. All the non-answers to questions.

No substance at all, for the most part.

Is there anyone who thinks this woman is really capable of being president?

As for her constant 'maverick' talking points.

A few weeks back, I posted a hilarious Maverick video, done to the theme of the old Maverick western TV show.

It is a must see. Very funny:
http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/09/maverick-mccain.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | October 3, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Where's the honesty? Palin didnt answer the questions. Its like cheating on a test.

Posted by: rahelamma | October 3, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Two lines by Caribou Barbie stand out:

[re. John McCain] "He is the man we need to leave."
[Regarding the bailout]
"It's a toxic mess on Main Street that's affecting Wall Street."

I live in the Midwest and the fake Fargo accent wasn't endearing to anyone I know.

Posted by: braultrl | October 3, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

She scares me -- not only does she believe Cheney was right to establish himself as a non member of the legislative or executive branch and embroil us in war helping to topple our economy but she wants more power. Part of my rational brain said she has no clue what the limits are or constitutional contraints our elected officials are supposed to follow (why they swear to uphold & defend the Constitution) but another part of my brain thinks this is why Cheney got elected twice -- people didn't believe he was capable of such treason -- I'm a believer now.

Also I understand why Palin ignored questions to be able to recite her lines, her strong points as it were (when her responses made sense and weren't just phrases strung together and said real fast so you didn't realize there was no real content) but she's not a queen able to decide what she will and will not answer. All the other candidates and public officials more qualified were asked questions from the ridiculous to the sublime and last night she wasn't asked to defend her taking the money for the bridge to no-where or leaving her town of 9000 over $20 million in debt or requesting more of our tax money for her town than another town in the US. She doesn't think she needs to be accountable to the voters on what questions she answers -- Republicans -- is this the kind of administration you want to continue? Add on to that the McCain lack of detail on every aspect and tell yourself better the devil you know and Obama has outlined his plans.

One last remark. Mavericks are completely unpredictable and loners. The idea of either candidate playing well with others even fellow Republicans is a fairy tale. This will be more years of my way or the highway type of thinking that Bush has excelled in. McCain brags that his own party has never liked him -- and you think a novice to Congress (Palin) can unite Republicans who dislike you and Democrats who fear and dislike you? Sorry, it cannot be done. You only have one vote. If you cannot or will not vote for Obama vote for Nadar or Barr - do not vote for McCain.

Posted by: Lemon722 | October 3, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Followup to petergordon:

I agree that Palin did not have a real answer, and that she fell back to "something positive, perky, and unconstitutional."

We learn something about what Palin really thinks off-script through these passing comments. Her response on the role of the VP says two things to me.

The first is that she has not thought through or understood the implications of what she said, that in aligning herself with Cheney's definition of the VP role she seriously undermines any claim of distance from the Bush administration.

The second is that she would not have made that comment if Cheney had not already set the role model. We now know that she apparently approves of and aspires to the same.

Posted by: nmb52 | October 3, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about anyone else, but this is not the time for jokes, the economy is failing and people are concerned about their jobs, health insurance, gas, food, and if they will have a bank to deposit thier money in, ect. Palin needs to go raise her children and continue to play hockey or whatever it is that she does and let Obama and Biden be about the peoples buisness.

Posted by: zippergyrl | October 3, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Very unfortunate that Gwen Ifill didn't press Palin on non-responses. Jim Lehrer had no chance with his lead question, because neither candidate was going to respond directly. But in this debate, Palin was the only candidate skirting direct responses (no, "skirting" was not a sexist pun!).

I'm still awaiting the final "wink count" from commentators (doubtless a debate strategy honed in beauty pageants).

Gene frequently comes up with humorous devices - but I'm struggling with an accurate description for this one:
" ...offshore drilling. There, she seemed on terra firma"

Offshore+terra firma? Some kind of Oxymoro-Irony I guess.

Posted by: jerswing | October 3, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Palin could have been professional, well-informed, and given every indication that she regarded both her opponent and the job which she seeks with respect.

She chose instead to be falsely folksy and cutesy. Really, a "shout out"? A wink? Claiming Democrats used the word "rape" to describe offshore drilling when she herself made rape victims in Wasilla pay for their own rape kits?

Sad days when many in the electorate seem more enamored of her narrative and her image than they do of any sort of depth or gravity she could bring to the office of vice president.

Posted by: castanea | October 3, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse


AHA!

BIDEN OUTS OBAMA:


Most revealing slip by Biden to date:

in describing what role he will play under Obama as his VP, Biden said:


"Obama wants me involved in governance with him...I will be right at his side at all meetings and times" ...... CO-PRESIDENCY?????

What a stunning admission that Obama knows he cannot handle the responsibilities of the job !!!!


FINI OBAMA

Mc Cain and Palin in 08

Posted by: accountability_in_gov | October 3, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Palin really needs to stop saying things like "Joe Six Pack", and shouldn't hesitate when prompted to directly answer a question, rather than circle around it like she usually does.

Biden should breathe more when he talks, and his exaggerations got to the point of unnecessary last night. Although he did do a better job at answering the questions the way they were asked, pointing out flaws in McCain's platform, and Palin didn't do the greatest job at defending him.

Posted by: jdb218 | October 3, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"There is something about this debate that is bothering me a great deal. Am I the only one who noticed that there was not one single discussion of women's issues?

Here we had a debate with only the 2nd woman VP candidate in history, moderated by a woman, and yet there was absolutely no discussion of equal pay for women, abortion rights, women's healthcare....there was nothing.

I am incredulous that Gwen Ifill didn't ask either candidate about women's issues. It was a GLARING omission.

Posted by: elscott "

---------

I agree. This was very strange. Biden could have raised the issue by himself.

Posted by: asoders22 | October 3, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone find Governor Palin to be annoyingly passive aggressive? 2 favorite parts. When she declared herself to be an energy expert. Last I checked where weren't many solar farms, wind farms, geothermal, hydroelectric plants in Alaska. gas and oil expert more likely. Second, when she wouldn't agree that global warming was a human caused problem and that the cause really doesn't matter but we need to fix it by capping emmisions, clean coal, improving efficiency, nuclear etc which would indicate to me that she thinks that fossil fuels are contributing to the problem. Bit of a contradiction. She did better than expect and I don't believe that she is stupid. I don't believe that she has the education, experience, knowledge or ability to serve at such a level. It makes me sad because as a woman,I would love to see a woman in the White House. Her nomination was insulting to woman due to her lack of knowledge and ability. Woman have a lot more to offer than spunk, folksiness and lipstick on a pit bull. We could do better than this.

Posted by: qwerqwer1 | October 3, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

With Palin & McCain, we've got new evening entertainment:

A remake of Jimmy Stewarts "Mr. Smith Goes To Washington" in the new comedy "Gidget Goes To Washington" followed by a western-style beach party "Maverick Meets Gidget".

Stayed tuned.

Posted by: Jaxon1 | October 3, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Please - get the black men off of the backs of white women.

As a white woman I find the constant belittling of white women by black men to be both offensive and intolerable.

Mr. Robinson - stick to cheering on your man Obama and leave us white women alone! ENOUGH!

Posted by: mgd1 | October 3, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

It sure is interesting how these "pivotal moments in history" keep coming up every 4 years. I don't think this debate did anything to change anyone's mind, as you can clearly see in the comments and from Robinson, who still seems to be vying to be chosen to head up Obama's fanclub.

The one thing that this debate did do was to show that Palin is clearly no fool. So much for the instant dismissal of McCain as a viable candidate.

Posted by: psuterry | October 3, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"Can I call you Joe?" is downright disrespectful. (President Ahmadi-Nejad, can I call you Mah? Oh you prefer Mud?)

And everything about Palin's wink-wink earthiness, is contrived and pandering. I want my politicians to act like statesmen and women when they are in the political arena. How they conduct themselves at the soccer game or grocery store might be more casual, but the office and the people they represent demands decorum, not antics that fill the gossip column.

Posted by: lindaj4 | October 3, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

petergordon wrote:
When the Governor informed us that she would like to see an expansion of the VP powers, I really didn't see a Cheney disciple. I think she had no idea what to say and fell back on something positive, perky, and unconstitutional.

Thanks Peter, I could not have said it better, especially the part about "positive, perky and UNCONSTITUTIONAL."

Posted by: HopingForABetterWorld | October 3, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Now I mourn the fact that HRC was not chosen to be Obama's VP. That would have been a real catfight last night. As in a puma attacking a housecat.

Posted by: fink | October 3, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Sarah could have won the debate if she had the expertise she claimed she has. If she was an energy expert she would have known that central to the justification for the war in Iraq and drill baby drill in Alaska is that Peek Oil theory is incorrect.

If Peek Oil theory is incorrect then further research and development of undiscovered oil resources may hold hope for a bright future. The increase of oil production in Iraq and Alaska might be just the bridge needed until those new oil resources can be discovered and developed over the next 5 to 15 years.

However, if Peak Oil theory is correct its incumbent on all of us to develop new sources of renewable energy as a supplement to the dwindling supply of oil.

McCain is not advocating that we make those investments, Obama is. The Democratic mantra of invent baby invent wins because it is the only solution. Energy Technology becomes the wave of the future and the new source of economic development in the 21st century.

By not challenging Peak Oil Theory which only someone well versed on the subject would know to do, Sarah left the democratic rationale for opposing Iraq and new drilling unchallenged. Afterall if we use all the oil in Alaska where are we then - just out of oil. Its a dead-end. Sarah ended up giving tacit consent to the very notions that she and her party oppose.

Posted by: agapn9 | October 3, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

My parents have never in all their 84 years voted Democrat, but this year will be different. My Dad is a veteran, a retired teacher and very active. He is in great shape and still plays basketball with his great grandson's. My Mom is as fit as any fifty year old. She is a retired teacher as well, and still volunteers at a local elementary school. My parents are frugal, wise and middle America. They have seen many ups and downs in their many days as American's, but this time in their history has them very concerned. This year they will cast what they call "the most important vote of their lives", and they are casting their votes for Obama/Biden. I wish all American's could sit and listen as they explain their reasons for their vote. They are the ones with the experience that matters. They are the ones who have lived all their lives putting Country First.

Posted by: ccclam | October 3, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Governor Palin actually sealed the deal for me in terms of who I will vote for and that is the Obama/Biden Ticket. She made a big deal of McCain being the only one to have served in the military. Obama was not old enough to serve during Vietnam. Now she could have raised her hand and gone in but she did not. Yes I am a veteran from the Vietnam era as well as the first gulf war. Thanks Governor for making up my mind.

Posted by: truman2 | October 3, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

If Ms. Palin can't even give basic adequate answers to softball questions by Katie Couric, how is she going to hold up in White House Press Conferences? If she can't hold her own in a Vice Presidential debate, if she has to be declared "winner because she didn't lose", because the expectations for her were set far lower than even for George Bush, does she really belong a heartbeat away from the Presidency, from an old man like McCain who could keel over on his first day in office? Come on America, get serious, these are crucial, serious times for our country. Would we put Pauley Shore in charge of the Treasury Department? Get real! We've had eight disgraceful years of having our country laughed at around the world because of the bumbling, dyslexic, incompetent Bush. If the oil companies want to put up a patsy in office to do their bidding, why can't they find one with some intellectual depth, and not just the ability to wink cutely and come across like an iHop waitress grovelling for a tip. This woman just hasn't got the stuff to fill the position, it's so obvious it's pathetic. It shows upon McCain's abominable lack of judgement in selecting her. 'Barbie Goes to Washington' is a nice fantasy for a seven year old girl, but the country is in trouble and we need another Roosevelt.

Posted by: drjacot | October 3, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Didn't have any major issues with Palin before last night??? Her VP acceptance speech was very poised but in the debate last night she really seemed to lack a lot of qualities that a national candidate needs to encompass.

Here's a Republican blog that really questions Palin's position on the ticket and suggests that she's hurting McCain.
http://www.greenfaucet.com/blogs/hanlons-pub

Also includes the Katie Couric video about the newspapers Palin reads.

Priceless.

Posted by: macebruce | October 3, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Last night in Palin, I saw a Governor, who feels herself above the law. McCain, knowing that she is under investigation, tabbed her VP. He showed atrocious judgment, the thuggery aspect of his character and that he learned zip from the Keating affair. He has interfered with a State investigation and injected D.C. politics in order to influence its outcome. This is the guy, who is saying that he is the one to change Washington. Fool me twice. It occurs to me that, if elected, they would further politicize the justice system on the order of Alberto Gonzales. The laws are something that others should follow, not them. With McCain, folks with "boots on the ground" in Iraq should be given deference. In Alaska, though, he just ran over State officials who have "boots on the ground" and knowledge of their own affairs. The Senate must DO ITS DUTY, investigate McCain and censure him if warranted. We are seeing a bad precedence being set. It should not be allowed to stand.

Posted by: vmonroe_valnesio | October 3, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

If Ms. Palin can't even give basic adequate answers to softball questions by Katie Couric, how is she going to hold up in White House Press Conferences? If she can't hold her own in a Vice Presidential debate, if she has to be declared "winner because she didn't lose", because the expectations for her were set far lower than even for George Bush, does she really belong a heartbeat away from the Presidency, from an old man like McCain who could keel over on his first day in office? Come on America, get serious, these are crucial, serious times for our country. Would we put Pauley Shore in charge of the Treasury Department? Get real! We've had eight disgraceful years of having our country laughed at around the world because of the bumbling, dyslexic, incompetent Bush. If the oil companies want to put up a patsy in office to do their bidding, why can't they find one with some intellectual depth, and not just the ability to wink cutely and come across like an iHop waitress grovelling for a tip. This woman just hasn't got the stuff to fill the position, it's so obvious it's pathetic. It shows upon McCain's abominable lack of judgement in selecting her. 'Barbie Goes to Washington' is a nice fantasy for a seven year old girl, but the country is in trouble and we need another Roosevelt.

Posted by: drjacot | October 3, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Palin just recited her memorized talking points, even if they weren't in response to the question she was asked.

What a sad joke on America!

Posted by: sunnyday1 | October 3, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

"He was being out-charmed and he knew it."

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Any brains in that head of yours? To think that someone will vote for a candidate based on their level of charm or their looks simply boggles the mind.

Palin gave nonanswers that sounded like she was reading from a script. She was exposed for what she is in the Couric interviews: an idiot. This country is in trouble.

Posted by: cdamore1 | October 3, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

The strangest moment was when Biden finished a very emotional reference to the car crash that killed his wife Palin completely ignored it to dive right into her pre-prepared talking points.

I thought that was very odd, especially since she's made her family such a big part of her campaign.

Posted by: HillMan | October 3, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

The Palin we saw on TV last night was a carefully crafted facade.

She's the McCain Campaign Eye Candy. She's about a genuine as a talking Barbi.
She's an Anti-Constitutionalist as bad as, if not worse than, George W. Bush.
She makes Hillary Clinton look like a nice girl.

And some people are dumb enough to want her as President of the Senate, and one step from the Presidency?

Posted by: mhoust | October 3, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I love all of this "she connects with real Americans" stuff. What are you really saying? You really want to imply that the only "real Americans" are dirt farmers in Missouri who didn't graduate high school? Or who are steel workers in Michigan who never went to college? That's what it sounds like. Are you really suggesting that possessing a good education and living in Boston is supposed to somehow make one unAmerican or unpatriotic? Get pissy all you want about my sterotyped phrasing, but what the heck else are these stupid labels like "liberal elite" and "real American" supposed to indicate? The dirt farmers aren't stupid. My father never went to college and the good governor doesn't fool him for a second. Those who are paying attention understand that this isn't a damn popularity contest. You're never going to have a beer with POTUS. Get over it. The President needs to be smart, thoughtful, and rational, and capable of taking good advice from people who are experts in the things that he or she is not. I have served in the Army for almost 20 years. I hold NO fantasies that McCain/Palin have my back or my interests at heart. There's also the little point of me not wanting the public schools to teach my kids magic as though it's science.

Army for Obama!

Posted by: jb_1740 | October 3, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Raymond T. Anderson. I want to second your comment.

Posted by: dcampbell1 | October 3, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Did any of you notice how many times "Joe" smiled at Sarah when she was speaking? He likes her and admires her spunk. He had to force himself to be on the attack. And his attack consisted of nothing but bashing McCain and/or Bush with the same typical liberal talking points based on half-truths and items taken out of context. The usual Obama and Move On nonsense. Biden may have said Hillary Clinton "might have been a better pick than me" to be Barack Obama's running mate, but he was clearly impressed with Palin. In fact, he was so flustered he smacked his microphone several times! Ha! Palin won the debate.

Posted by: DaMayor1 | October 3, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Palin is the shooting star...Obama is an old-style demagogue who will take any position, or change it, just to get elected. And he is doing a good job... thanks to the gullible American public.

Posted by: petersuares | October 3, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin keeps trying to make dumbing-down acceptable.

Posted by: JaneB3 | October 3, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Gene,

I completely agree with you. I am a white woman, age 61, and am disgusted by the performance of this woman last night. She used her "cutesy, I'm like you" act to manipulate voters. She did not answer one question posed to her and I think Gwen Ifill should have pressed the issue whether anyone liked it or not. How ANY journalist can possibly PRAISE her for what she did is a mystery to me. Why can't they see through her and report it as such? You do, Matthews did, Olbermann did, Maddow did. What's the deal with the others? And, I must say Pat Buchanan must have been watching an entirely different debate. It's time he gave up his "analyst" title. He's obviously not paying attention!

On another subject, I'm very concerned about the next Presidential debate. Tom Brokaw is not only a friend of John McCain's but he's a supporter. He created problems at MSNBC with Matthews and Olbermann because they show they lean toward Obama and he doesn't like that. I happen to feel it shows honesty. He's been involved with the McCain campaign regarding the debate forum (i.e. town hall), etc. I'm afraid he's also being provided the questions by McCain. He's treated Sentator Obama and any of his supporters on Meet the Press with such indignation and rudeness that I think he will do the same at the debate. I've asked NBC for his replacement as moderator of the debate and as host of Meet the Press and hope they will do so. Just wondering if anyone else feels the same.

Posted by: sweladi | October 3, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Palin is clearly not ready for prime-time. Frankly, her now-tiring repetoire of shopworn GOP talking points, referenced as they were from her obvious use of crib notes while at the debate podium, leaves one to wonder whether the woman can find the open ends of a roll of paper towels without illustrated directions.

Posted by: drkoelper | October 3, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

When I heard the debates last night, I heard a player talking in folksy soundbites and stating as if,

1. "...Life's but a walking shadow, a
poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of folksy soundbites, evasions and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Yobetcha, Joe sixpack, hockey mom signify nothing. A U.S. financial solution, an Iraqi War solution signifies something. Mccain/Palin is a big loss for America!
2. When you look this saying up in the dictionary, you see a picture of Gov. Sarah Palin.
3. The question still remains, can Sarah Palin carry on a coherent conversation with a news anchor?
4. Is it true that and idiot by any other name is still an idiot? Is Sarah Palin still an idiot?
5. I hate to say it, but McCain/Palin is Dumb and Dumber...

Posted by: rdutchman | October 3, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, she's ashooting star alright Just ask those wolves she enjoys whacking from an airplane....

And now a star in the Insane McSame Clown Posse, filled with lobbyists calling themselves mavericks!

Posted by: braultrl | October 3, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Ever heard of Clever Hans? His trainer made it look like he knew math.

Actually, his trainer didn't "make" him look like he knew math. People (including his trainer) didn't realize or recognize that they were cuing him. Whether the trainer was tense until the moment the horse pawed the correct number of times, or what-have-you. No one realized just how well animals can 'read' others. We do it too. Have you ever had a conversation with someone where the whole thing sounded right but felt wrong? And then it turns out you should have 'listened to your gut'? Same thing. Emotional leakage--and we should pay more heed to it.

Okay, I'm off of my pointless soapbox on that issue.

S

Posted by: Skowronek | October 3, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Personally, the major error was the comment made by Governor Palin when she stated: "I know education you are passionate about with your wife being a teacher for 30 years, and god bless her. Her reward is in heaven, right?"

This sounded like something Karl Rove would have written. The Governor should be ashamed of herself. Saying this to Senator Biden is a disgrace and the Governor should publically apologize.

Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere | October 3, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

SAL3456:

What's happening to our economy has not happened in just two years. It takes many years to happen. Trying to blame Democrats is completely absurd. The Republicans, and Bush, knew what was coming and would not cooperate with Democrats on anything so they could, as you do, blame the Democrats for it all. Pure political crap!

Posted by: sweladi | October 3, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...

BIDEN

28% 140,443
PALIN

70% 344,366
NEITHER

2% 9,149

Total Votes: 493,958


Palin won, plain and simple.

Posted by: charlietuna666 | October 3, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

she's only been doing it 5 weeks she says!


she can't be held to account for knowing anything or having any solutions.


other than hair-dye solution, and lie in your face while i act cute methodology.

some one remind her:

Reagan and Bush Senior sold missles to Iran, illegally, mined the harbors of Nicaragua, and began the crack cocaine trade in LA with smuggled drugs from their freedumb fighters.

they keep fighting freedom, in the guise of Mcpalin.

Posted by: forestbloggod | October 3, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

i wonder to what extent voters could engage in the cognitive grouping and construal necessary to pattern her incoherent babbling and twisted syntax into a cohesive argument.

the moment i tried to actually listen to the substance -- as opposed to the sound bites -- of her diction, i got dizzy.

some people might have walked away saying "yeah, i agree." but, it would take some serious, unconscious gymnastics of the mind to create order out of her chaotic spiel. i don't think most americans have the patience.

then again, they might exist just enough in a state of denial to walk away hearing exactly what they wanted to hear.

Posted by: eh-hem | October 3, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I think this will be the worst election in decades,you have a senile old man running against a rock star with no substance.How the hell can obama lead a country based on community service.He looks as phony as a 2 dollar bill,while mcCain should be put to pasture.If any one thinks either of these ego maniacs care about average americans,well then im speech less.they do what their big money lobbyists tell them to do,niether of them are honest,they are poloticians,you expect them to lie and steal its the american polticians way of doing business.To bad their wasnt a true leader running for office of the most important country on the planet.Hey robinson as an african american,what do you feel about obama haveing to talk about and support israel at every turn but not the land of his father which is africa concidering it has wars and genocide and alarming death rates.

Posted by: gilliam | October 3, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

What did you think of Sarah Palin's imitation of Tina Faye, last night?

Posted by: paprtgr | October 3, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Palin' most frequesntly read newspapers is The Juneau What.

Posted by: janefree0513 | October 3, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Spot on, Gene. And Biden nailed her on it, too, but without being mean about it, when he pointed out that so far in this campaign we haven't heard of a single major area where the McCain/Palin policies will be a substantial departure from the failed Bush/Cheney policies of the past eight years. Palin tried to dismiss this criticism as "backward-looking," all "in the past." It's a cute line, but the problem is that for this purpose the "past" extends right up to the present moment and the deep, deep mess we're in both domestically and internationally. If you can't say how and where you'd depart from the trajectory that brought us to where we are today, then you can't plausibly claim to represent "change."

And by the way, I think McCain and Palin have put themselves in a box by trying to co-opt the Obama rhetoric about change. If you call for change and say you represent change but you can't point to a single example of what change you'd support, you're effectively conceding that the moment calls for change and putting wind in the sails of those who are campaigning for genuine change: Barack Obama and Joe Biden. I look for the Obama-Biden ticket to win this one going away.

Posted by: bradk1 | October 3, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Good analysis, Gene. Thank you. I thought her folksy style came across as forced and phony.

There is something about this debate that is bothering me a great deal. Am I the only one who noticed that there was not one single discussion of women's issues?

Posted by: elscott | October 3, 2008 1:00 AM

Not completely true Elscott. Biden talked about his violence against women bill that he wrote. He was the only one to address women's issues. Perhaps because when a woman talks about women's issues men think they are weak.

It was a score for Biden, though.

Posted by: agolembe | October 3, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

What I find very hard to take is the way that Palin tries to act cute, that is really degrading to women. Part of her cute act is the fake accent. If women are ever going to be treated as equals we have to act as equals. We don't get to use our sexuality. This woman who is running for the second highest office in the US is setting women's rights back 50 years.

Posted by: jiminytoby | October 3, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's explanation of the education policy of a McCain-Palin administration:

"Say it ain't so, Joe, there you go again pointing backwards again. You preferenced [sic] your whole comment with the Bush administration. Now doggone it, let's look ahead and tell Americans what we have to plan to do for them in the future. You mentioned education and I'm glad you did. I know education you are passionate about with your wife being a teacher for 30 years, and god bless her. Her reward is in heaven, right? I say, too, with education, America needs to be putting a lot more focus on that and our schools have got to be really ramped up in terms of the funding that they are deserving. Teachers needed to be paid more. I come from a house full of school teachers. My grandma was, my dad who is in the audience today, he's a schoolteacher, had been for many years. My brother, who I think is the best schoolteacher in the year, and here's a shout-out to all those third graders at Gladys Wood Elementary School"

Posted by: JohninDC2 | October 3, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Oh no, the poster Charlietuna666 which is also know as Chevy in other areas is back spouting that lame Drudge Poll which couldn't do an accurate, valid poll if it tried. Sorry Tuna but your WRONG. Your girlfriend Sweetie Pie Palin lost big time. Time to go back to her house and wash some dishes.

Posted by: Classic60 | October 3, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

During the debate, to me Palin's performance looked familiar. From working in corporate video production, I realized what it was. She came across as Talent. On the BBC in England, they would call her a good News Reader. She remembered her lines well and performed her role on the video stage.
In a small regional TV news station, she would do well reading the news or sports.

But at the end of the play, the house lights come up and real life appears. We fumble for our car keys and wonder how to pay for the bils. The play was a nice distraction.

Palin seemed false because it was a performance, that was not well acted. We did not believe the character. We did not believe Palin.

Posted by: websmith77 | October 3, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Hey Robinson, we all know where the fault of the economic crisis exists.

THE BOTTOM LINE

All the myriads written on this subject can be boiled down to one ideology at the core of the problem. Liberalism introduced into the economic system. Yes it's no different than a blown head gasket in your engine where water leaks into the lubricants and corrupts its function destroying the engine. Those liberals that were in charge of the government mortgage programs encouraged for years lending to those that could not afford those loans. Yes they even GUARANTEED THOSE TENUOUS LOANS. Democrats further helped to push those already shaky loans over the cliff by depriving all Americans PRACTICAL DOMESTIC ENERGY which forced Americans to pay more for everything. Americans are paying big time for liberalism.
The chief empty suit liberal is running for president. He along with this worthless congress with the ALL TIME LOWEST APPROVAL RATING IN HISTORY is waiting in the wings to do further damage.

NO OBAMA
NO PELOSI
NO DODD
NO BARNEY FRANK
NO SCHUMER
NO DEMOCRATS

Liberalism took on the laws of economics and guess who won?
Watch the CSPAN rebroadcast on You Tube video and watch the OVERSIGHT DEMOCRATS fail the people. Yes for years Democrats ENCOURAGED THESE BAD LOANS and accused institutions of RED LINING. Yes watch the pathetic Democrats that turned and economic program into a welfare program that caused this fiasco.
You Tube,"Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis".

Posted by: ekim53 | October 3, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

It becomes more and more evident that Palin was put on this ticket to do just a couple things. !. Get the rabid right back into the campaign with their money. 2. Put out some eye candy for working class voters, rural voters and women. The first point she achieved. The second, assumes that folks are going to keep falling for the same smoke and mirrors routine that the republicans have refined to their trademark artform. Too many voters are seeing right through this shallow attempt that assumes that we are a nation of morons. It is the republican party that practices elitism and class warfare. They think we are all stupid and will always be gullible enough to buy the lie. By the way, it is obvious that McCain and his crew do not like or trust Palin. If this ticket gets elected, Palin will be locked in a closet, because they fully know what a disaster it would be if she had the chance to use any power.

Posted by: watchingduck | October 3, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, I don't care if John McCain wins. He seems to have the same weasley personality of George Bush. I do care about Sarah Palin, in light of the hatchet job done on her from day one by the columnist and others. Last night she showed why so many people love her. She connects with us poor ignorants who live in fly over country. The bitterness of the comments on this column simply confirms my view.

Posted by: edfromtexas | October 3, 2008 8:31 AM

Groan. Evita and Isabel Peron were elected because they connected with the poor ignorants in their country. That worked out pretty well.

It's time the poor ignorants acted like real Americans and quit voting for the smucks they connect with a start voting for the people who will represent them well.

Posted by: agolembe | October 3, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

It's telling to compare Palin's speaking style in the 2006 Alaskan gubernatorial debates with her performance last night. Two years ago, she had a rather clipped style, and she didn't drop her g's or use folksy expressions. Nothing about her seems authentic, other than her ambition.

Posted by: b_side | October 3, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

administration:

"Say it ain't so, Joe, there you go again pointing backwards again. You preferenced [sic] your whole comment with the Bush administration. Now doggone it, let's look ahead and tell Americans what we have to plan to do for them in the future. You mentioned education and I'm glad you did. I know education you are passionate about with your wife being a teacher for 30 years, and god bless her. Her reward is in heaven, right? I say, too, with education, America needs to be putting a lot more focus on that and our schools have got to be really ramped up in terms of the funding that they are deserving. Teachers needed to be paid more. I come from a house full of school teachers. My grandma was, my dad who is in the audience today, he's a schoolteacher, had been for many years. My brother, who I think is the best schoolteacher in the year, and here's a shout-out to all those third graders at Gladys Wood Elementary School"

Posted by: JohninDC2 | October 3, 2008 3:42 PM

Someone else posted that Palin is "talent." This explanation of hers proves that.

When she spoke these words last night they didn't sound too bad. But when you read them, they are incomprehensible. She is talent indeed. She can sell this garbage and make it sound good. I'm going to read the transcript and see what else she sold last night that stinks today.

Posted by: agolembe | October 3, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Dear accountability_in_gov _

You said" AHA!

BIDEN OUTS OBAMA:
Most revealing slip by Biden to date:
in describing what role he will play under Obama as his VP, Biden said:
"Obama wants me involved in governance with him...I will be right at his side at all meetings and times" ...... CO-PRESIDENCY?????
What a stunning admission that Obama knows he cannot handle the responsibilities of the job !!!!
FINI OBAMA
Mc Cain and Palin in 08"
Posted by: accountability_in_gov | October 3, 2008 1:59 PM

I'm not sure which debate you were watching, but the one that I watched, Sarah Palin called for the increase in power for the Vice President? Please don't quit your day job (if you still have one in this economy thanks to the Rep. party) and take up your private investigating trying -to- make- scandals out -of- statments- that- arent'- really cryptic job. You really suck at it.

Fondest regards,
The Democratic Warrior

Posted by: pollypocketz | October 3, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, all I heard from Ms. Palin last night was the same, tired, old mantras that Republicans have been repeating every in election that I can remember: "The Democrats (1) will raise your taxes; (2) will subject you to governmental health care; (3) are weak on the national defense; and (4) don't care about the middle class." All of these are offensive and untrue and were repeated again and again by Ms. Palin, but the one that perhaps galled me the most last night was the last - - coupled with her homey references to "soccer moms" and "Joe SixPack" in an attempt to convince middle America that she, John McCain and the rest of the Republicans care about us.

Can anyone give me one - just one - example of an act by the Republicans and that great "Compassionate" Conservative George Bush in the last eight years that was designed to actually beneift the middle class (without, of course, providing greater benefits to the wealthy)?

Just one.

I'll wait.....

Posted by: vtrabbit | October 3, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are incredible people. Sarah Palin probably could have came out and sang a song about herpes and poop and the republicans would still be saying "She was fantastic! Greatest debater of all time!" Sweet Jesus, are you people on crack? What, do you punch yourself in the testicles while the Dems speak just so you wont be tainted by the extensively detailed answers to the questions asked of them? In all honesty, I'm an idiot. But I would feel confident going against Palin in a debate. No joke, let's go Sarah. You and me. This woman, as a potential VP, is a complete farce. I'm sure she's a great mother, wonderful friend, but VP of our country? Absolutely ludicrous. What amazes me the most is that these pridefully ignorant Palin supporters actually live in areas in which internet access can be obtained. These pro-Palin views I'm reading are what I would expect from someone in the deep Apalachians. Seriously? You boneheads actually walk and talk among us? I've got to figure out a way to induce brain clotting just so I can relate to you guys...Your arguments are getting thinner and thinner...and you know it.

Posted by: JesusWizardo | October 3, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I am very tired of having a "folksy", anti intellectual character run our country. Folksy is fine if there is something behind it. Fake folksy spread thick, like Bush and Palin, is intended to cover up a lack of substance. Palin's folksy maybe covered the worst of her know nothing warts but the blemishes are just to great and no amount of "mocksy" could convince me to let her run this country.

It is true - I am anti anti intellectual and what's more I am proud of it. I don't want a "folksy" doctor opporating on my son. I don't want a "folksy" lawyer working at the DOJ. I don't even want a "folksy" car mechanic fixing my car. I want elite, competent, trained, thoughtful people running things.

Posted by: jswallow | October 3, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

The majority of you – I mean the Obama supporters – you write so well, so beautifully, I enjoy your short pieces of essay to no end. Let me single out a few (mostly Comments on Michael Gerson’s Postpartisan blog.

1. The person who wrote: “I don’t know the Constitution; I don’t know foreign policy; I support creationism; the world is flat. And the American public will get what it deserves if I’m voted VP.”
2. And the one that wrote: “I would hope that the person meeting with highly intelligent and well-educated world leaders would have more to offer than “Doggonit”, “Yah”, and “Darn right”.”
3. Also, the one who wrote of the dubious Michael Gerson of the Washington Post: “This response to a debate regarding our highest office belongs in the garbage can”
4. And: “Mrs. Palin’s performance was poor at best. The fact that she didn’t run screaming from the stage in the first 15 minutes does not constitute a “win” for her…
5. Finally: “This whole mess started when the “average Joe’s” voted thumbs down to physicist/farmer Carter and thumbs up to Hollywood screen actor Reagan. Obama and Biden are the first team to present themselves to the American public who are actually intelligent and ARTICULATE … I wouldn’t want the McCain/Palin team to be the CEO of the Company I work for.”

Waoh!

And now this.

So, Barack Obama studied Political Science & International Relations at Columbia and then went on to excel at Harvard Law. Meanwhile, he had a great deal of international exposure with a father from Kenya; a step father from Indonesia; a Mom that disbursed loans to women starting up small businesses in needy parts of the World; lived in Indonesia; vacationed in Kenya; slept in the corridor of a New York Apartment Building the first night he arrived at the City to pursue his studies at Columbia; did not turn his back on his Dad or the other children born to him in Kenya in spite of his Dad’s absence; stayed at his half-sister’s modest apartment when he visited Kenya for the first time about a year after his father died and a few months before starting at Harvard.

Please take note of his interest in studying Political Science & International Relations for his Bachelor’s degree. It is no surprise that he had international affairs in his mind for many, many years before running for the office of the President of the United States. How else do you explain his dire warnings about the Iraq war in 2002 when, as a Member of the Illinois State Senate, it was none of his business to have an interest in that? And to think that he got it 100% right!

Compare that background now against Sarah Palin’s. It is well known that Sarah never before McCain called on her spent one day thinking about the world around her. It is one thing that McCain never really knew her before he asked her to join his ticket, but it is unforgivable that he would choose someone who had never spent a day thinking about the issues at stake in this election.

A former Beauty Queen, a Joe-24-pack-Sarah! She is the real Britney Spears, the real Paris Hilton! At the risk of offending women and running foul of the Obama trademark decency, how apt, then, would it be if Obama were to return the favour to John McCain and the silly Bush Family thugs of Steve Schmidt and Rick Davis with a Paris Hilton ad of his own starring Sarah Palin.

There will be joy in Heaven when that man wins this election November 4th 2008. I can’t get over the beauty of the man who was sharing a room with his half-sister Auma in Nairobi, Kenya emerging as the-man-of-the-house of the White House come November 4th. I can’t help thinking about his father’s other American wife – who possibly still leaves in Kenya – if she would believe that the Economics foreign student that she met at Harvard over forty years ago could make a son that became the President of the United States of America.

I live in Canada but I can’t thank you guys and gals enough for the support, the money, the volunteer work that you have afforded Barack Obama. May God bless you all immeasurably! Amen!

Barack Obama! What a brain, what a talent!

Posted by Anthony

Posted by: anthonyikpong | October 3, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, I don't care if John McCain wins. He seems to have the same weasley personality of George Bush. I do care about Sarah Palin, in light of the hatchet job done on her from day one by the columnist and others. Last night she showed why so many people love her. She connects with us poor ignorants who live in fly over country. The bitterness of the comments on this column simply confirms my view.

Posted by: edfromtexas | October 3, 2008 8:25 AM

//

Ed, no one in America is ignorant unless they want to be. For the rest of us, we think Palin is a pandering, dimwitted cheerleader, and we suffered from one of those long enough already.

Posted by: Attucks | October 3, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Good point, vtrabbit. I find it more than irritating that everytime it is brought up about McCain's gushing remark about the fundamentally sound economy, the republicans try to fudge on it by saying he was refering to American workers. What in pete's sake, have the republican's ever done for the working class. Child labor laws, 40 hour work week, holidays, job safety, minimum wage, organized labor rights, equal pay, equal opportunity, pensions, social securiy,etc ,etc, etc. They fight tooth and nail to create a nation of serfs that they can control. They are all about creating a two class society of haves and have-nots. They are a party of class warfare. The wolves in sheep's clothing. I guess we can only hope that these are the wolves that are soon facing extinction.

Posted by: watchingduck | October 3, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

On the subject of energy and offshore drilling, I am against the McCain-Palin ticket proposal on domestic drilling. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi once remarked that oil drilling companies have access to millions of acres of federal lands in continental USA. Yet they push for the government to gain access to the ANWAR and for offshore drilling. Why it that? To answer the question, ask yourself this. Why have the American corporations sent millions of manufacturing jobs to China and India. Because it is much cheaper doing business there.

I believe that oil companies are seeking federal subsidies for drilling oil in the US. It will cost them more to extract oil out of Siberia or the Gulf of Mexico than if they would have done it in the soft sands of Saudi Arabia. And the profits will be much higher too as the Middle East oil reserves carry larger volumes than those in the United States. In the end, the American consumers and taxpayers are not getting any better deal by drilling here and drilling now. They will have to pay either a premium at the pump or provide tax cuts for oil companies to drill in the US.

If the government is using tax money to subsidize oil companies, then there will be no money left to invest in alternative energy projects which will create jobs here in the United States

Posted by: mnguyen4 | October 3, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

CONGRESS YOU NO LONGER REPRESENT WALL STREET
CONGRESS YOU NOW REPRESENT THE WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

THIS IS THE AGENDA
CONGRESS WILL REMOVE ALL GOLDEN PARACHUTES FROM THE BILL
CONGRESS WILL ENSURE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE WELL PROTECTED WITHIN THE BILL
CONGRESS WILL PASS THE BILL TODAY

IF CONGRESS FAILS TO PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THEN CONGRESS WILL BE DESOLVED AND A NEW CONGRESS WILL BE PUT IN PLACE TO REFLECT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE


SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO CONGRESS IN EXTREMELY SIMPLE TERMS THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE COME FIRST.

THE DAYS WHEN CONGRESS ACTED AS THE STOOGE OF GOP REPUBLICAN SUPER RICH WALL STREET SPECULATORS HAS COME TO AN END


THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TAKE TOP PRIORITY IN AMERICA

NO MORE GOLDEN PARACHUTES FOR EXECUTIVE CRIMINALS

GOP SUPER RICH REPUBLICAN WALL STREET CRIMINALS PREPARE FOR HANDCUFFS AND ASSETS CONFISCATION


THOSE RICH WALL STREET SPECULATING GOP REPUBLICANS WHO DROVE THE BUS INTO THE DITCH, WILL NOT BE TRUSTED TO DRIVE THE BUS OUT OF THAT DITCH.

SUPER RICH GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SPECULATORS AND THEIR GOP REPUBLICAN HAND PICKED STOOGES IN THE WHITE HOUSE ADMINISTRATION, SENATE, SUPREME COURT, TREASURY, SEC AND CONGRESS TOGETHER HAVE $1 TRILLION WORTH OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE’S ASSETS (DOMESTIC AND HIDDEN ABROAD) THAT MUST BE RETURNED TO THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES.

AMERICA WANTS ITS $1 TRILLION BACK NOW AND CRIMINAL TRIALS FOR ALL INVOLVED IN THIS CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY ARE THE NEW LAWS OF THE LAND.

TREASON AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

NO MORE GOLDEN PARACHUTES FOR EXECUTIVE CRIMINALS. GOP SUPER RICH REPUBLICAN WALL STREET CRIMINALS PREPARE FOR HANDCUFFS AND ASSETS CONFISCATION.

THOSE GOP REPUBLICAN CORPORATE EXECUTIVES WHO STOLE AND SQUANDERED AVERAGE AMERICANS’ MONEY ON HIGH RISK UNSECURED WALL STREET LAS VEGAS STYLE SPECULATIONS SHOULD NOT BE REWARDED WITH MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR COMPENSATION PACKAGES SUBSIDIZED BY THE TAXPAYERS.

THESE GOP SUPER RICH REPUBLICAN CORPORATE EXECUTIVES, SPECULATORS AND CONGRESSIONAL STOOGES SHOULD BE IN HANDCUFFS. ALL OF THEIR ASSETS SHOULD BE CONFISCATED, LIQUIDATED AND RETURNED THE TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE).

LET THE TRIALS BEGIN: GOP SUPER RICH REPUBLICAN FLEECING OF AMERICA

CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES VERSUS GOP SUPER RICH GOP REPUBLICAN CRIMINALS

ACT QUICKLY, ACT QUICKLY, ACT QUICKLY
IS NOT THIS THE SAME THING THAT THOSE GOP REPUBLICAN CRIMINALS SAID TO START THE ILLEGAL IRAQ WAR!

LET THE TRIALS BEGIN: CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES VERSUS GOP SUPER RICH REPUBLICAN CRIMINALS (BUSH, CHENEY, RICE, PAULSON, MCCAIN) AND THEIR WALL STREET SUPERCAPITALIST SPECULATING FELLOW CONSPIRATOR FRIENDS

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL PREVAIL

THIS GOP REPUBLICAN SUPER RICH WALL STREET MELTDOWN IS CRIMINAL MISUSE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE’S MONEY AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL (TREASON)

D STUDENT JOHN MCCAIN FEARS SHARING THE STAGE WITH HARVARD LAW PROFESSOR BARACK OBAMA

MOOSE COMMUNITY COLLEGE SARAH PALIN FEARS SHARING THE STAGE WITH LAW SCHOLAR JOE BIDEN

Hmmm, let's see. We have a bunch of republicans whining about wanting these CEOs to keep their fortunes, multiple houses and cars, and they want the taxpayers to bail them out. But when the taxpayer wanted help to keep THEIR homes, they were called a bunch of whiners by these SAME republicans and were given NO bailout.

Why are their oversized fortunes more important than the rest of America's modest and undersized ones?

Now, for the last time, once and for all, explain to me how Obama is the elitist and the republicans are "just like you and me." Go ahead. I triple dog dare you.


TREASON TRIALS FOR GOP REPUBLICAN SUPER RICH CRIMINALS

$1Trillion Illegal Iraq War plus $1Trillion Wall Street Fraud equals $2Trillion that
GOP Republicans (Bush, Cheney, Rice, Paulson, Guiliani, McCain) and those contributing members of Congress, Wall Street Speculators, and Cabinet who took part in the most Monumental Fraud against the American People owe to Our National Treasury.



GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SUPERCAPITALISM AT ITS WORST

Executive salaries, CEO bonuses, grand robberies of the U.S. TREASURY in the $MILLIONS, $BILLIONS, and $TRILLIONS.

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SUPERCAPITALISTS robbed the AMERICAN PEOPLE of a $Trillion. RULE OF LAW states that the AMERICAN PEOPLE will be protected and all private properties, money, and wealth domestic and abroad owned by GOP REPUBLICAN SUPERCAPITALISTS taking part in robbing the U.S. TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE) will immediately be confiscated and returned to the U.S. TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE).

REPLACE GOP REPUBLICAN CEO GOLDEN PARACHUTES WITH CRIMINAL TRIALS AND PROPERTY CONFISCATION. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL PREVAIL AND THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION WILL BE REINSTATED. LONG LIVE FREEDOM AND JUSTICE. CORPORATE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY WILL BE THE LAW OF THE LAND.

INSIDE JOB AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL:
GOP REPUBLICAN WHITE HOUSE ILLEGAL WARS AND
WALL STREET CRIMINAL DEREGULATED SPECULATIONS

You asked for it and you got it. GOP REPUBLICANS INSIDERS McCain, Bush, Cheney, Paulson, and Rice were hired by Super-Capitalists (Super Wealthy GOP REPUBLICANS) to start Illegal Oil Wars against Oil producing Nations and DEREGULATE (eliminate AMERICAN PEOPLE PROTECTION) the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT (White House, Congress, Supreme Court), TREASURY and WALL STREET. These INSIDERS did exactly what they were paid to do. Past GOP REPUBLICANS (Nixon, Reagan, Bush I) and current GOP REPUBLICANS (Bush II, Cheney, Rice, McCain, Paulson) have a credibility factor of zero. Americans no longer believe them, the World has never believed them and now they are done. They came in with the 9/11 attack upon the AMERICAN PEOPLE and leave with the Wall Street $1Trillion attack upon the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Wave after wave after wave the GOP REPUBLICANS attack the AMERICAN PEOPLE based on the premise of disrespect for anyone who is not a GOP RICH REPUBLICAN. Either you are in their group (GOP RICH REPUBLICAN) or out (debt ridden worker bee / victim). GOP REPUBLICANS view the AMERICAN PEOPLE as gullible sheep perpetually fattened with debt and led to the subhuman existence slaughter. When slavery (free labor) ended GOP RICH REPUBLICANS attacked and enslaved the people of the world through unbalanced trade. Now that foreign sweatshops are demanding better pay and treatment, GOP RICH REPUBLICANS are attacking the AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS. GOP RICH REPUBLICANS are banking on the idea that the AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS are non-thinking drones fat with artificial food, high on Wall Street sponsored imported drugs (legal / illegal), and choked with clutter, debt and noise.

Through massive GOP REPUBLICAN SPONSORED DEREGULATIONS, GOP REPUBLICAN CEOs, Treasury Secretary, Wall Street Speculators, White House Administration, Cabinet Members, and their insider friends each walked away with more than $20,000,000 annually of money stolen directly from the U.S. TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE). After eight years of GRAND FRAUD AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL, thousands of GOP REPUBLICANS ROBBED OUR UNITED STATES TREASURY OF $1TRILLION (ACTS OF TREASON AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE).

The AMERICAN PEOPLE will hold ALL GOP REPUBLICANS INVOLVED in these ACTS OF TREASON accountable before a TRIAL. ALL GOP REPUBLICANS INVOLVED in these ACTS OF TREASON will have ALL OF THEIR PROPERTIES (corporate and private, domestic and foreign sheltered) CONFISCATED, SOLD and RETURNED to OUR NATIONAL TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE). The UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION (WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE) shall prevail, despite the criminal efforts of GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SUPER-CAPITALIST CRIMINALS.


CONGRESS WILL NOT ADJOURN UNTIL AFTER THE GOP REPUBLICAN PARTY FIX THEIR COLOSSAL MESS

GOP (GOOD OLDBOY PRIVATEERS)


Britain has nationalized its banks. The U.S. has nationalized Wall Street and will do the same for U.S. Oil if it hits $6.50 a gallon in two years. The Treasury and Oil are too crucial for national defense to be left in the hands of self serving speculators' private greed. The United States greed based society is over. We will copy Britain or Germany’s mixed economy system based heavily on the People government oversight. Speculators and gamblers cannot be trusted with the American economy. Wrong is wrong and wolves cannot be hired to protect cash cows. Today you can gamble in Las Vegas with your credit card (money that you don’t have); Wall Street high leverage speculation is the same thing.

Three weeks ago, some Americans stupidly said that we don’t need to consider World Opinion during the 2008 presidential election. It is now clear that America and The World are closely connected and that we need to consider how the World perceives our decisions. The World does not like John McCain and will not cooperate with McCain. Europeans and the World view John McCain as an old relic bent on returning the World to perpetual hostility.

No one wants another Cold War, except McCain. Palin’s childish perceptions are not worth mentioning, especially with the World watching and laughing at McCain’s choices. Russia does not want another Expensive Cold War, but it will play ball if McCain kicks off. While Bush and McCain are building military bases in Poland, Russia is speaking with Latin American Oil Nations about refining and cutting out U.S. Oil Companies. Next Russia will build military bases in Latin American in response to U.S. bases in Eastern Europe. McCain and Wall Street weapons manufacturers are the only ones who want to profit from a new Cold War. In reality, no one benefits from a new Cold War. The American People, Russian People and World People will be injured by a new Cold War. Expect European demands to be rid of all U.S. bases in Europe. The American People, Russian People and World People want peace and cooperation from the United States led by Barack Obama.

The World loves Barack Obama and has signed a letter of intent to cooperate with America under Barack’s leadership. Throughout the World young presidents are emerging and none of them want to return to the bad days of the Cold War (bomb shelters, high interest rates, disproportionate military spending, nuclear buildup, general fear). Nobody wants the return of the Cold War, except McCain and Wall Street weapons manufacturers. The American People are nationalizing Wall Street to prevent weapons manufacturers from dictating unfavorable terms to our economy. Again the American middle class must see pass their ignorance and the emperor with no clothes (Bush, McCain, Palin, Guiliani). Americans must vote for it’s best interest, which includes a favorable World Opinion. America And The World Will Vote Obama to avert financial and military catastrophes.

Let’s not forget that China, Saudi Arabia and India together hold over $1 Trillion in American currency. Do you think that China, Saudi Arabia and India have votes in the 2008 American election? The CEOs of American companies and Wall Street Banks heavily invested with funds from China, Saudi Arabia and India know that foreign governments will be exercising their strong votes in our election. You can thank McCain deregulations and GOP Republican American job outsourcing for dissipating Our American votes.

Obama has 8 years experience as a State Senator, 4 years in the US Senate, taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago, etc. Obama’s very high intellectual capacity allows him to analyze situations and make sound decisions. How can you even compare Palin’s GED from Moose Community College credentials to these?

GOP REPUBLICAN JOHN MCCAIN WALL STREET DEREGULATIONS
GOP REPUBLICAN JOHN MCCAIN ALSO WANTED TO PRIVATIZE SOCIAL SECURITY (BONEHEAD)
GOP REPUBLICAN JOHN MCCAIN sponsored landmark legislation in 1999 that removed the walls between banks, investment firms and insurance companies. GOP REPUBLICAN JOHN MCCAIN bill allowed a company like AIG to expand beyond its traditional insurance business (which is still profitable) into exotic new extremely high risk products that brought the company down and created this colossal mess.

WALL STREET SRO - SELF REGULATORY ORGANIZATION
THE GOP REPUBLICAN RUN Government (GOP President, GOP Congress, GOP Supreme Court) looked the other way, while GOP REPUBLICAN Super-capitalist Obscenely Rich WALL STREET SRO Speculators Robbed Our U.S. TREASURY and Forced the $Trillion Debt Upon the AMERICAN PEOPLE.


Average Americans are becoming poorer, because GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET super rich SPECULATORS and corporate CEOs are paying themselves, business partners, friends, and family members at least $20,000,000 annually from MONEY STOLEN FROM THE U.S. TREASURY. These major crimes committed by WALL STREET SPECULATORS AND CEOs have gone beyond greed and into acts of treason against the AMERICAN PEOPLE. Seize the stolen money and properties valued in the $TRILLIONS back from these super criminals for attacking America. Those stolen $MILLIONS / $BILLIONS / $TRILLIONS belong to the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

RULE OF LAW states that the People of the United States will be defended. Those who attack American Citizens will be prosecuted. WALL STREET SPECULATORS and CORPORATE CEOs dictatorship over the AMERICAN PEOPLE is over. Average Americans are not going to accept WALL STREET CORPORATE CRIMES anymore. Rights of Citizen and Average Workers of the United States will be enforced. The AMERICAN PEOPLE will always come before corporate interests, because Americans Love America more than Wall Street Speculators love greed.


GERMANY, FRANCE, ENGLAND HAVE GREATER CITIZEN-WORKERS’ RIGHTS, TRANSPARENCY, OVERSIGHT, AND DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY THAN GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET RUN AMERICA. AMERICA WILL HONOR AMERICAN CITIZENS WITH DEMOCRATIC WORKERS’ RIGHTS, TRANSPARENCY, OVERSIGHT, AND DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY.

NO MORE WALL STREET DICTATORSHIP OVER CONGRESS
NO MORE WALL STREET IMPORTATION OF ILLEGAL CARTEL DRUGS
NO MORE WALL STREET MASS GUN SALES
NO MORE WALL STREET ILLEGAL WARS
NO MORE WALL STREET WILD SPECULATION AND IRRESPONSIBLE LEVERAGE
NO MORE WALL STREET SOFT PORNOGRAPHY ON PRIME TIME TELEVISION
NO MORE WALL STREET MASS VIOLENCE ON PRIME TIME TELEVISION
NO MORE WALL STREET HATE RADIO
NO MORE WALL STREET UNAUTHORIZED SPYING ON AMERICAN CITIZENS
NO MORE WALL STREET ILLEGAL CREDIT SCORES
NO MORE WALL STREET OVERSEAS TAX HAVENS
NO MORE WALL STREET OUTSOURCING AMERICAN JOBS
NO MORE WALL STREET BUYING AMERICAN POLITICIANS

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET $TRILLION FRAUD AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

Direct impact of GOP McCain sponsored deregulations
Bankrupt and floundering
Failure of the investment bank
Government's takeover

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET's business model has collapsed

Greed and fear routinely govern GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET financial markets and GLOBAL CRISIS.

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET (giant investment houses, brokerage firms, hedge funds, "private equity" firms) irresponsibly TRADED the savings of average Americans (placed LAS VEGAS STYLE BETS on extremely high risk stocks, bonds, and other securities).

DUBIOUS MORTGAGES were PACKAGED into BONDS and SOLD and TRADED. Investment houses had huge incentives to increase LEVERAGE (OBSCENELY HIGH BORROWING).

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET compensation is heavily skewed toward annual bonuses, reflecting the profits traders and managers earned in the tune of lavish base salaries and obscenely high annual bonuses of $20,000,000.

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET relies heavily on OBSCENELY HIGH LEVERAGE (OBSCENELY HIGH BORROWING). $3 Trillion (stocks, bonds, other securities) backed by only $80 billion in shareholders' equity while the $2.8 Trillion was LEVERAGE (BORROWED).

Leverage (huge borrowing) can create huge debts (huge principal and interest obligations)

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET is a manic machine for gambling.
Traders and money managers are given huge incentives to do whatever would increase short-term profits.

For decades, GOP REPUBLICAN JOHN MCCAIN sponsored legislation that broadly deregulated WALL STREET banking and insurance industries.

GOP REPUBLICAN JOHN MCCAIN swept away Consumer Protection legislation and opened the way for a less restricted high risk financial marketplace.

While the GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET boom continued, government (White House, Congress, Supreme Court) looked the other way.

GOP REPUBLICAN Congress resisted tougher regulation and permitted WALL STREET to run out of control at obscenely high LEVERAGE (OBSCENELY HIGH BORROWED MONEY) RATIOS perpetrating intentional fraud against the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET leaders intentionally deceived customers and lenders into taking hazardous risks for short-term rewards regardless of the long-term dangers to the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Mortgages went bad. The powerful high leverage went into reverse. Losses eroded firms' capital bases and raised doubts about their survival.

Financial firms took major stupid and wasteful risks that severely damaged the American Economy and impeded economic recovery.

GOP REPUBLICAN STOCK MARKET $TRILLION FRAUD has deepened consumers' pessimism, fear and reluctance to spend. There may be more failures of FINANCIAL FIRMS.

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET financial crises resemble the GOP REPUBLICAN illegal miscalculated war.


How were we ever made to believe that the now-collapsing GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET model ever made sense? Common sense should have told us that making RISKY BETS with HUGE AMOUNTS of BORROWED MONEY was a DANGEROUS GAME; if the bets pay off you make money beyond your wildest dreams, but if they go bad you face utter ruin.

Common sense should have told us that betting fortunes on meaningless fluctuations in stock, bond or currency values (McCain sponsored deregulated hedge funds) was about as productive as a trip to Las Vegas. Common sense should have told us that buying and selling exotic securities based on other securities based on bundles of mortgages that were treated like mere numbers on a balance sheet (no recognition that the whole iffy construct was based on real people living in real houses that they might or might not be able to afford) was not an intelligent endeavor.

Somehow, we all forgot that "HIGHLY LEVERAGED" is just another way of saying "DEEPLY INDEBTED." Now we've had a wake-up call, and maybe the erstwhile Masters of the Universe will have to stop playing with imaginary money and go back to using the real stuff.


RULE OF LAW WILL ENFORCE CONFISCATION OF ALL GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SPECULATORS’ AND CEOS’ PERSONAL PROPERTIES RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR ECONOMY’S MELTDOWN. All money and properties of the Super Rich CEOs and WALL STREET Speculators domestic and abroad will be confiscated and returned to the United States TREASURY and the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

WALL STREET SRO - SELF REGULATORY ORGANIZATION
OUR GOP REPUBLICAN RUN Government (GOP President, GOP Congress, GOP Supreme Court) looked the other way, while GOP REPUBLICAN Super-capitalist Obscenely Rich WALL STREET SRO Speculators Robbed Our U.S. TREASURY and Forced the $Trillion Debt Upon the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

GOP REPUBLICAN LIARS SUPER RICH WALL STREET GET RICH QUICK GREEDY
BILLION DOLLARS RISKY UNSECURED LOANS RISKY UNSECURED LOANS RISKY UNSECURED LOANS
REPACKAGED AND SOLD TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

GOP REPUBLICAN LIARS SUPER RICH WALL STREET ROBBER BARONS
COMMIT TREASON AND GRAND FRAUD AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.


WALL STREET SRO - SELF REGULATORY ORGANIZATION
OUR GOP REPUBLICAN RUN Government (GOP President, GOP Congress, GOP Supreme Court) looked the other way, while GOP REPUBLICAN Super-capitalist Obscenely Rich WALL STREET SRO Speculators Robbed Our U.S. TREASURY and Forced the $Trillion Debt Upon the AMERICAN PEOPLE.


HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON ANGERED BY SARAH PALIN’S REMARKS

Comments uttered by Sarah Palin has angered Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton who described Sarah Palin as an opportunist with no qualifications. Senator Hillary Clinton also stated that John McCain and Sarah Palin’s records on women’s rights are abominable. The country cannot withstand anymore George Bush failures cloaked in McCain/Palin. Asking Sarah Palin to become Vice President is like asking the grazing moose behind her trailer to pilot the shuttle.

National Organization of Women (NOW) Endorsed Pro-Women’s Rights ticket Obama / Biden for their outstanding work bettering the lives of women.

During her first term as Mayor, Palin went on an intense firing spree by sacking, or requesting resumes and resignation letters from the chief of police, finance director, public works director, and librarian.

In October of 1996, Palin consulted the city librarian about censoring "objectionable" books. The librarian was shocked and responded that the books were selected "on the basis of national selection criteria of libraries this size" and would resist all efforts to ban or remove any books from the library. A few months later Emmons received a letter from Palin stating that she had been terminated from her job. Emmons was reinstated the next day after public outcry.

Long time Alaskan acquaintance described Sarah Palin as a malicious, conniving opportunist, a reckless spender, and power abuser. Initially Palin supported the 'bridge to nowhere' project and even wore t-shirts that supported the project. When she realized that the project was not supported by the public she decided to back off.

Palin is an avid pro-lifer. Teen pregnancies are a major dilemma facing the nation today. The government spent $1 billion in supporting abstinence-only sex education programs since 1996. In the case of Palin's daughter, such programs are failing us. Palin is comfortable with giving her own daughter a choice, but wants to take away that choice from the rest of the nation.

By picking a young, attractive and vivacious woman as his partner in crime, McCain hoped to pull in all the disappointed Clinton supporters. This was his crucial mistake, because Sarah Palin is the antithesis of Hillary Clinton. She stands against women rights and would reverse women's rights by fifty years. Women are not as gullible as McCain and his advisors had hoped that they would be. Just because McCain placed a young woman in front of the crowd does not mean women will automatically vote for her without any question. Women will soon realize that Sarah Palin is an anti-choice, homophobic, polar bear, wolf, moose, and deer killing machine.

Sarah Palin is incapable of writing a speech. The speech given by her at the Republican National Convention was written long before she was considered for McCain’s running mate by the computer. McCain had never heard of Palin until after the computer printed her name one day before his announcement.

The thought that Sarah Palin will do anything in the White House is unsettling, because she is a unhinged lunatic who will mess up and give the public the perception that women cannot be in power. Hillary Rodham Clinton and women throughout the country are very angry that Sarah “moose hunter” Palin is in such an important position. Four out of Sarah’s five best friends have committed to Barack Obama.


GOP REPUBLICANS ARE AUTHORITARIANS WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN FREE SPEECH OR DEMOCRACY. GOP REPUBLICAN ONLY INTERESTS ARE POWER AND MONEY.


GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SUPERCAPITALISM AT ITS WORST

Executive salaries, CEO bonuses, grand robberies of the U.S. TREASURY in the $MILLIONS, $BILLIONS, and $TRILLIONS.

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SUPERCAPITALISTS robbed the AMERICAN PEOPLE of a $Trillion. RULE OF LAW states that the AMERICAN PEOPLE will be protected and all private properties, money, and wealth domestic and abroad owned by GOP REPUBLICAN SUPERCAPITALISTS taking part in robbing the U.S. TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE) will immediately be confiscated and returned to the U.S. TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE).


PALIN FAILIN RETURNED HOME TO 2,000 ALASKAN PROTESTERS WHO CHEERFULLY CHANTED "O-BAM-AH.

Gov. Sarah Palin returned home to 2,000 protesters outside the Anchorage library who wanted to correct the widespread impression that the Last Frontier endorses her candidacy.

"Last week a group of women were sitting around talking about this perception that all of Alaska supports Sarah Palin. We apparently hit a nerve and started a movement,"

A sense of festival obtained. There was a woman in a polar bear suit representing "Polar Bear Moms Say: No Palin Failin." Drivers on 36th Avenue saw a little girl waving a sign "Don't Ban My Books."

"My mom is from Alaska. She's a working mother. She's good looking," said Nolan. "So she seems to be qualified to be vice president."

Asking Sarah Palin to become the Vice President is like asking the grazing moose behind her trailer to pilot the shuttle.

Sarah Palin Failin Protesters Held Signs Reading:

Bush In A Skirt
Palin Be Failin
Jesus Was a Community Organizer
Palin Failin: Thanks But No Thanks
Smearing Alaska's Good Name One Scandal @ a Time
Candidate To Nowhere
Rape Kits Should Be Free
Voted For Her Once: Never Again!
Community Organizers are the Real Patriots
Barbies for War
I Shall Not Be Pandered To
Give Palin Failin Your Vote AND Your Draft Age Child
Sarah Palin Failin: So Far Right She's Wrong
Alaska Is Not Frisco
Coat Hangers for McCain
Sarah Palin Failin, Undoing 150 Years of American Feminism
Hockey Mama for Obama (on a hockey stick)


Cheerful chants of "O-bam-ah.


National Organization of Women (NOW) Endorses Obama / Biden For Their Pro-Women Rights Stance


McCain / Palin Failin are rejected for their anti-women stance and votes against Women Rights

PRESIDENTIAL AND VICE PRESIDENTIAL CHOICES

I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....

If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're 'exotic, different.'

Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, and its a quintessential American story.

If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.

Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.

Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.

If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer,
become President of the Harvard Law Review,
create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters,
spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor,
spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people,
become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee,
spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13
million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign
Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees,
you don't have any real leadership experience.

If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years
on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less
than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000
people, and cook caribou/grizzly/wolf stew, then you're qualified to become the country's second
highest ranking executive.

If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters,
all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.

If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress,
and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month,
you're a Christian.

If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including
the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

If , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only,
with no other option in sex education in your state's school system
while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant , you're very responsible.

If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm
to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family,
your family's values don't represent America's.

If you're husband is nicknamed 'First Dude', with at least one DWI conviction
and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and
once was a member of a group that advocated: the secession of Alaska from the USA,
your family is extremely admirable.

OK, much clearer now.


National Organization of Women (NOW) Endorses Obama / Biden For Their Pro-Women Rights Stance


McCain / Palin Failin are rejected for their anti-women stance and votes against Women Rights

BRITISH PRIME MINISTER BROWN SUPPORTS BARACK OBAMA

LONDON - BRITISH PRIME MINISTER GORDON BROWN voiced support for UNITED STATES DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE BARACK OBAMA, saying he would help Americans struggling with an economic downturn.

In a move seen by some British media as a break with a political convention requiring foreign leaders to remain neutral ahead of US elections, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER BROWN praised MR. OBAMA as a fellow “progressive politician” who would help ordinary Americans in tough times. With eight weeks to go before the presidential election, MR. OBAMA and his Republican rival John McCain are neck-and-neck in domestic opinion polls.

BRITISH PRIME MINISTER BROWN described the race for the White House as “electrifying” and said: “It is the DEMOCRATS who are generating the ideas to help people through more difficult times.”

“To help prevent people from losing their home, BARACK OBAMA has proposed a Foreclosure Prevention Fund to increase emergency pre-foreclosure counselling, and help families facing repossession,” he wrote in an article in The Monitor magazine, a monthly political publication.


2008 UNITED STATES DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL RACE

DEMOCRAT HARVARD LAW VS. GOP REPUBLICAN D STUDENTS

OBAMA OF HARVARD LAW AND PRESIDENT OF HARVARD LAW REVIEW
BIDEN OF SYRACUSE LAW

MCCAIN OF NAVY ACADEMY LAST PLACE D STUDENT
PALIN FAILIN OF MOOSE COLLEGE

GOP Republican Wall Street SRO (Self Regulatory Organization) Robber Baron Supercapitalism Is Down And Will No Longer Rob the U.S. TREASURY and AMERICAN PEOPLE

STOP DESTRUCTIVE GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SUPERCAPITALISM OIL SPECUALTARS (OIL MILLIONAIRES BUSH, CHENEY, RICE, MCCAIN, PALIN FAILIN)

NATIONALIZE U.S. OIL FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE
NATIONALIZE U.S. OIL FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE
NATIONALIZE U.S. OIL FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE

WHY A BARREL OF OIL ILLEGALLY SHOT UP FROM $24 TO $145 DURING THE GOP REPUBLICAN (MCCAIN, BUSH, CHENEY, RICE, PALIN FAILIN) ADMINISTRATION


GOP REPUBLICAN BUSH I OOOOOIIIIILLLLL MILLIONAIRE AND OIL EXECUTIVE
GOP REPUBLICAN BUSH II OOOOOIIIIILLLLL MILLIONAIRE AND OIL EXECUTIVE
GOP REPUBLICAN CHENEY OOOOOIIIIILLLLL MILLIONAIRE AND OIL EXECUTIVE
GOP REPUBLICAN RICE OOOOOIIIIILLLLL MILLIONAIRE AND OIL EXECUTIVE
GOP REPUBLICAN GUILIANI OOOOOIIIIILLLLL MILLIONAIRE AND OIL STOCKHOLDER
GOP REPUBLICAN MCCAIN OOOOOIIIIILLLLL MILLIONAIRE AND OIL STOCKHOLDER
GOP REPUBLICAN PALIN FAILIN OOOOOIIIIILLLLL COMMISSIONER AND OIL STOCKHOLDER


TOGETHER WHAT DO THEY ALL HAVE IN COMMON?

THEY ARE ALL GOP REPUBLICAN OOOOOIIIIILLLLL MILLIONAIRES AND OIL STOCKHOLDERS


GOP REPUBLICAN OOOOOIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLL IS THE NEW CRACK
GOP REPUBLICAN OOOOOIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLL IS THE NEW CRACK
GOP REPUBLICAN OOOOOIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLL IS THE NEW CRACK


CAN YOU SAY GOP REPUBLICAN CONSPIRACY TO DEFRAUD THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, ROB OUR U.S. TREASURY, AND SPECULATE FOR OBSCENELY HIGH PROFIT RETURNS ON WALL STREET OIL STOCKS

WAKE UP AMERICA, BECAUCE THE WORLD ALREADY KNOWS ABOUT THE CRIMINAL GOP REPUBLICAN PARTY OF CONSPIRATORS

NATIONALIZE U.S. OIL FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE AS A VITAL RESOURCE

AMERICA AND AMERICANS FIRST

NO MORE GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET OOOOOIIIIILLLLL SPECULATION AND FRAUD AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

IF YOU SAY THAT YOU LOVE AMERICA, THEN PROVE IT AND STOP THE GOP REPUBLICAN RAIDERS UPON OUR U.S. TREASURY AND OUTSOURCING OF U.S. JOBS


GOP Republican Wall Street Get Rich Quick By Robbing America TREASURY Wild Speculators Created The Enormous National Debt, So Make Them Pay For It And Balance Our Budget.
GOP Republican Wall Street Supercapitalism Speculators Have Committed Treason Against Our Country.

HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON ANGERED BY SARAH PALIN FAILIN’S REMARKS

Will the GOP Republican get rich by selling America party take credit for any of their disasters? GOP Republicans are successful at failing and hurting OUR COUNTRY in the eyes of the WORLD. Can we really afford to ignore what the ENTIRE WORLD THINKS OF US?


How does the WORLD perceive AMERICA led by Barack Obama? Extremely favorable.

How does the WORLD perceive AMERICA led by John McCain? Extremely negative.

FOUR MORE YEARS ANYONE?

Eventually, Americans will realize that doing the same thing (electing GOP Republicans) will not yield different results (stock market disasters, economic disasters, world view disasters, failed foreign policy disasters, failed domestic policies disasters).

Spraying perfume on a new GOP Republican Pig will not create a bright and shiny candidate. Garbage in equal garbage out. GOP Republican garbage in yield (stock market, economic, foreign relations, domestic policies) garbage out.

McCain has perpetually been a failure from school until now.
Palin Failin has perpetually been a failure (with a hillbilly hockey mom accent) from day one until now. Her bear hunting Arctic outback kids prove it.

Do you really need someone to tell you these basic facts? Under the Freedom of Information Act, all of this information is available free if you choose to type in the questions.

Lets prove to the Europeans and the World that we are not stupid, because they think that we are after two terms of Forrest Gump Bush.

D Student Crash Every Plane McCain and Hillbilly Trailer Palin Failin are not reflective of the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

If Palin Failin had a brain, then she would have considered the immense responsibilities demanded of the Office of the United States Vice President or President; and politely declined McCain’s crack induced invitation. GOP Republican Party is a joke.

If FOX NEWS does not clean up it’s filthy RACIST acts of discrimination, then American and European audiences will B O Y C O T T FOX RACIST NEWS.


GOP Republican Wall Street Get Rich Quick By Robbing America TREASURY Wild Speculators Created The Enormous National Debt, So Make Them Pay For It And Balance Our Budget.
GOP Republican Wall Street Supercapitalism Speculators Have Committed Treason Against Our Country.


REPORT SAYS GOP REPUBLICAN OIL AGENCY RAN AMOK

INVESTIGATION OF GOP REPUBLICAN OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET

INVESTIGATION OF GOP REPUBLICAN MINERALS MANAGEMENT SERVICE OIL MARKETING GROUP


GOP REPUBLICAN Government officials in charge of collecting BILLIONS of dollars worth of royalties from OIL and gas companies accepted gifts, steered contracts to favored clients and engaged in drug use and illicit sex with employees of the energy firms, federal investigators reported.

Investigators from the Interior Department's inspector general's office said more than a dozen employees, including the former director of the OIL royalty program, took meals, ski trips, sports tickets and golf outings from industry representatives. The report alleges that the former director, also netted more than $30,000 from improper outside work.

The report from Inspector General contains fresh allegations about the practices at the beleaguered royalty-in-kind program of Interior's Minerals Management Service, which last year collected more than $4 billion worth of OIL and natural gas from companies given contracts to tap energy on federal and Indian lands and offshore. The revelations come as Congress is set to consider opening the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and areas off the coast of Florida for drilling.

The royalty-in-kind program, based near Denver, allows energy companies to pay the government in OIL and gas, rather than cash, for the privilege of drilling on government land. It has been the subject of multiple investigations since 2006 by the Interior Department's secretary, its inspector general, the Justice Department and Congress for alleged mismanagement and conflicts of interest.

In the report released yesterday, investigators said they "discovered a culture of substance abuse and promiscuity" in which employees accepted gratuities "with prodigious frequency." The report cited one e-mail from a Shell Pipeline representative asking a woman in the royalty office to attend "tailgating festivities" at a Houston Texans football game: "You're invited . . . have you and the girls meet at my place at 6am for bubble baths and final prep."

Besides Shell, the energy company employees mentioned in the report worked for Chevron, Hess and Gary-Williams Energy. The social outings detailed in the report included alcohol-, cocaine- and marijuana-filled parties where certain employees of the Minerals Management Service were nicknamed the "MMS Chicks" by the energy employees. The companies paid for federal workers to attend football and baseball games, PGA Tour events, Colorado ski trips, paintball outings and "treasure hunts," investigators found.

"The OIL INDUSTRY holds shocking sway over the ADMINISTRATION and even KEY FEDERAL EMPLOYEES,". "This is why we must not allow BIG OIL'S AGENDA to be jammed through CONGRESS."

The current director of the Minerals Management Service, said that he takes the report "very seriously".
Employees identified in the report told investigators that they didn't think ethics rules applied to them because of their "unique" role in the agency and that they needed to socialize with industry representatives for "market intelligence," according to the report. Those employees, some of whom have been transferred to different offices, have been recommended for internal administrative action.

The inspector general's release comprised three separate reports, including one devoted to the program's director. It alleges that Smith improperly worked part time for Geomatrix Consultants, an Oakland, Calif.-based environmental and engineering firm, and marketed the company to government clients.

Additionally, the report said that the director had an inappropriate sexual relationship with a subordinate whom he paid to buy cocaine, promising her a bonus in return. The director admitted to the sexual encounter.

The director, who now works for a private OIL company in Denver, did not respond to requests for comment. Investigators referred their findings to federal prosecutors.

Justice officials also declined to comment on their decision about the criminal case against the highest-ranking official named in the report director of the Minerals Management Service, who worked in Washington. She is accused of improperly arranging a million-dollar deal for two retired employees.

The wife of the procurement policy administrator for the WHITE HOUSE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET, retired from government service Jan. 31. She declined to comment on the report. She told investigators she had a "personal issue. The Justice Department's decision to charge created a rift with Interior officials.

One of the two retired employees pleaded guilty in July to a federal conflict-of-interest charge related to the investigation. Another employee has been under investigation for similar conflict-of-interest allegations.

Before he left, Mayberry created a job for himself by writing the job description and the criteria for selecting the winning bidder, court documents show. He started a company out of his Texas home and was awarded a $150,000 contract in June 2003. He later hired Dial, the report said. Mayberry's firm collected $788,000 worth of contracts.

The royalty-in-kind program, which started as a small pilot project a decade ago, has been touted as a way to simplify the way OIL AND GAS COMPANIES pay for the right to drill on federal land and offshore. Instead of calculating the profit from a well, they can simply give the government one-eighth to one-sixth of whatever they take from the ground.

Revenue rose quickly, from $1.5 billion in 2004 to $4.3 billion last fiscal year. But the growth occurred "in an environment with relatively unstructured in-house oversight," the congressionally convened Royalty Policy Committee said in a December report. Previous reports have said that companies were allowed to revise their million-dollar bids for projects indiscriminately, that government workers routinely failed to seek out legal advice on complicated deals and that the agency used outdated computers and a $150 million software program that resulted in royalty money going uncollected.

A lawyer who represented states and tribes entitled to a cut of the royalties, said it was nearly impossible to get accurate numbers from the agency. "They kept hemming and hawing," she said.

In late 2006 questions arose over its handling of leases written in 1998 and 1999 that allowed major OIL companies drilling in the Gulf of Mexico to avoid BILLIONS of dollars in royalty payments.

Former Interior Department auditors accused the agency of failing to bill companies. "We weren't allowed to audit them. It was disturbing," said an auditor who sued the federal government for not collecting royalties. "You couldn't see what was going on."

The minerals agency director said that the harm done by the royalty employees was to public trust and TREASURY, and acknowledged that financial considerations were given to firms that gave favors to federal employees, and he said the contracts will be audited.


Do you really question the motives of GOP Republicans Criminals? America must Immediately Nationalize U.S. OIL and Gas For National Defense.


DEMOCRAT HARVARD LAW VS. GOP REPUBLICAN CRASH JET AND MUDVILLE

U.S. Presidents From Harvard Law
John Adams
John Quincy Adams
Rutherford Hayes
Theodore Roosevelt
Franklin Roosevelt
John Kennedy
Barack Obama

President and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama Contrast With D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain


Growing Up

D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain was privileged, given everything by both parents, and worked for nothing.


Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama grew up poor, raised by his Irish-American single white mother and Irish-American white working class maternal grand parents. Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama was given nothing and worked for everything.

Education

D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain was a D student and graduated last in his class. D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain and McBush Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire share failed academic records. He partied constantly and dependent on favor handouts from his high ranking father and grandfather. D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain earned nothing on his own similar to McBush Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire. D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain is also Internet illiterate which slows down his information processing capacity. Is this good for the country?


Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama worked hard and became PRESIDENT OF THE HARVARD LAW REVIEW. Everything that Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama accomplished he did on his own. Irish-American Barack Obama’s HARVARD Scholarship ranks among the best. Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama’s hard work represents the American Dream.


Community Service

D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain poor studies translated into poor performances in the military where he crashed several planes and recklessly endangered the lives of others. D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain was never trusted by his colleagues nor loved by his peers. The highlight of D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain’s career was getting shot down and becoming a prisoner. D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain served his country by getting handouts from his guards. Getting handouts seems to be D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain’s modem of operations. WillObscenelyRich Crash Every Plane McCain, who finished 894th out of 899 at the Naval Academy and who lost five jets, return competence to the White House? To lose one plane over Vietnam may be a heroic tragedy; to lose five planes here and there is carelessness.

Irish-American Barack Obama turned down large profits after graduating from HARVARD LAW to serve the community in Chicago where help was needed most. The community learned to trust and love Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama for his dedication to public service.


Marriage

D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain walked out on his family to chase a younger woman who was on drugs, embezzling money from her company, stealing, and facing criminal charges, until her privileged family saved her from trial. D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain’s dysfunctional family represents chaos and lack of respect when he curses her in public.


Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama married an intelligent IVY LEAGUE attorney and adores his beautiful young daughters. Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama’s First Family represents what America is striving for. Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama has always been surrounded by and still maintains a great respect for women (Irish mother, Irish grandmother, sister, wife, and two daughters). If anyone is in tune with and favors the betterment of working American women, then it’s Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama.

International Diplomacy

The World wants no more chaotic McBush Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain.


The World loves Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama and will follow America’s leadership behind Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama.

If D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain had to make another emergency landing on a deserted island with Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama onboard as one of the passengers, then it is safe to say that D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain would assume the role of Gilligan, while Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama would assume the role of the professor.

Hillary Clinton Will Destroy Sarah Palin Failin From Mooseville College.


Navy pilot John Sidney D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.

His father John S. "Junior" McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe later becoming commander of American forces in Vietnam while D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain III was being held prisoner of war. D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain III's grandfather John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.

During his relative short stunt on flight status, D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft, four in accidents and one in combat.

D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings. He was knocked unconscious by the impact coming to as the plane settled to the bottom.

D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral."

D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's third crash three occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game.

D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's fourth aircraft loss occurred July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.

D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi.

"Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant."

When the communist learned that D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's father was Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific, he was rushed to Gai Lam military hospital.

The communist Vietnamese figured, because POW D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain's father was of such high military rank, that he was of royalty or the governing circle. Thereafter the communist bragged that they had captured "the crown prince."

For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.

D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat. Since D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain got 28 medals, that equals out to a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more than 7,000 hours in combat where I'm sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down.

D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed to gloss over his failures as a pilot and collaborations with the enemy by exaggerating his military service and lying about his feats of heroism.

D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain has sprouted a halo and wings to become America's POW-hero presidential candidate.

Former naval officer and the owner of an OOIIILLLL-trading company that inked defense contracts worth $1 billion is the modern presidential money man. The law forbids high-level supporters from writing huge checks, but with help from friends in the Middle East D Student Obscenely Rich Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Crash Every Plane McCain is receiving large donations.

If FOX NEWS does not clean up it’s filthy RACIST acts of discrimination, then American and European audiences will B O Y C O T T FOX RACIST NEWS.

Barak Obama proved why November's presidential election will end in a 50-state sweep. John Crash Every Plane McCain has no chance. It's like George Bush climbing into the ring with Mike Tyson; one thundering left hook and the Crawford Caligula would be sprawled across the canvas. "No mas"! The same fate awaits the crabby senator from Arizona. The polls are skewed to look like there's a political horse-race going on. There isn't. It's a complete rout. There's one well-toned thoroughbred striding from venue to venue electrifying the ever-increasing throngs, and one doddering, old mare limping towards the glue-factory. Someone should put a stop to it before Crash Every Plane McCain gets hurt.

At the Victory Column in Berlin's Tiergarten, Obama extracted Old Glory from the burn-pile and gave Brand America a desperately needed shot of adrenaline. 200,000 ecstatic Germans jammed the streets in what turned out to be the political shindig of the year. Many of them were waving American flags and chanting, "Obama, Obama, Obama". It was like Jack Kennedy had risen from his moldy sepulcher and made his way across the pond for one last rousing ovation. Obama has the very same affect on crowds. Its a gift and he knows how to use it to great advantage.

"People of Berlin, people of the world, this is our moment, this is our time," Obama boomed. "I know my country has not perfected itself, we've made our share of mistakes and there are times when our actions around the world have not lived up to our best intentions. But the greatest danger of all is to allow new walls to divide us from one another."

What can we say about Obama's oratory skills that hasn't already been said? He is one of those unique characters who knows how to tap into the collective psyche and put them under his spell. He is the closest thing to a Pied Piper we've seen in the last half century. Whatever one thinks of his politics, his speeches are a welcome reprieve from the simian blabbering of President Dimwit.

"I speak to you not as a candidate for president, but as a citizen; a proud citizen of the United States and a fellow citizen of the world." (Roaring applause)

JOHN Crash Every Plane McCain: Maverick or Freak?
Have you taken a look at the crowds at a Crash Every Plane McCain event. Usually, there aren't any. Typically, there are more journalists and cameramen then people; and even they look bored. It's the truth. He generates no enthusiasm at all. None. He may be the most uninspiring, tedious, pure-vanilla candidate of all time; a complete dud. I challenge anyone to recite from memory anything John Crash Every Plane McCain has ever said in his 40 years in office. Time's up! When Crash Every Plane McCain begins to talk, its a signal for women to pull out the nail-files and for men to figure out how they're going to get out of cutting the lawn this week. Really. No one listens.

And the people that do manage to drag themselves to his speeches out of a sense of obligation are (you guessed it) scowling white guys with baseball caps pulled tightly over their ears or nearly-ambulatory Korea-era Vets who think the United Nations is a communist front-group that's planning to air-drop blue-helmets into Duluth to take over the United States. Tin-foil hats anyone?

Popularity and charisma, how does one survive in politics with neither. That's the question, and it may be the biggest mystery of Crash Every Plane McCain's candidacy. He's just not a likable guy. No one ever talks about hanging out and having a beer with John Crash Every Plane McCain, because they know that he might go "Jackie Chan" and start busting the place up. And he's utterly impossible to listen to. His high-pitched squeaky voice is about two octaves higher than a dog-whistle and twice as annoying. So how is he going to beat Obama. It's a total mismatch.

Crash Every Plane McCain is the perfect candidate for the GOP Republic party that has completely collapsed. He's like the "Jolly Roger" on the front of an iodine bottle; Brand X. In 2000, the Republican Party boasted it was the "party of ideas". What ideas? The Republican Party has never had ideas because the corporate mandarins and blue-blooded kleptocrats that run the party are suspicious of ideas, ideology, doctrine, philosophy or anything else that veers from their primary objectives of crushing the poor, despoiling the environment, carpet-bombing brown people wherever they may be, and enriching themselves. That's all they care about. The task of the right-wing think-tanks is to treat "war and tax cuts" like they're ideas. They're not. But war and tax cuts ARE the two foundation blocks of the Republican Party. There's nothing else; there never has been. Don't look for ideas; there aren't any. GOP Republican get rich quick by defrauding the AMERICAN PEOPLE, robbing the National TREASURY, sending American jobs overseas, and raising the national debt.

Hold Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Crash Every Plane McCain accountable for the crimes they've committed during their time in office.

Obama is not a candidate; he's a phenomenon. Obama is an explosive, vital, charismatic politician. When he speaks people feel better about themselves and their country. And, they're more hopeful about the future, too. That's what makes him unbeatable.

Crash Every Plane McCain, on the other hand, is the perfect embodiment of his party; a rusty, broken-down hulk that's been stripped of its engine, its fenders and all its moving parts. Even the steering wheel is gone. It's a dead-loss; nothing is salvageable.

Crash Every Plane McCain is in way over his head. This election is going to be a real embarrassment for him. It's too bad. He should be back at the Phoenix Rest Home shooing kids off the front lawn instead of waiting for the ax to fall in November. It's a rotten way to end a career.


GOP Republican Wall Street SRO (Self Regulatory Organization) Robber Baron Supercapitalism Is Down And Will No Longer Rob the U.S. TREASURY and AMERICAN PEOPLE


GOP REPUBLICAN PLANE/TRAILER WRECK MCCAIN/PALIN FAILIN

With Wall Street OOOIIIIILLLLLL stocks paid under the table to Sarah Palin Failin OOOOIIIIILLLLLL Commissioner from OOOOOIIIIIILLLLLLL Millionaires Crash Every Plane McCain, Bush, Cheney, Rice and Guiliani; it appears that Sarah Palin Failin OOOOIIIIILLLLLL Commissioner, her large family, dogs, cats, chickens, and hogs can now move out of their trailer. Guiliani went from GOP front runner to anonymous polygamist. Guiliani is the biggest joke and shares home dysfunction with Bush, Cheney, Rice, Crash Every Plane McCain and now Sarah trailer Palin Failin OOOOIIIIILLLLLL Commissioner. OOOOIIIIILLLLLLL MILLIONS stolen from Our TREASURY did not help their dysfunctional families.

GOP Republican Wall Street Get Rich by robbing the American TREASURY and outsourcing American jobs party has officially been dissolved. Plane wreck McCrash and Train wreck Trailer Palin Failin OOOOIIIIILLLLLL Commissioners have destroyed the already dysfunctional GOP Republican Party of Corporate Welfare Thieves.

Democrats and Independents are the official parties. Blessings to America and the World for peaceful cooperation and the elimination of unjust wars for GOP profits. The People First Party has arrived and Rich Wall Street millionaires will no longer use the AMERICAN PEOPLE as their cattle. Americans today are all free independent Democratic People in pursuit of happiness in the spirit of cooperation.

“We joined up with an altruistic vision of promoting freedom and justice around the world,” said Vince Emanuel, a Marine lance corporal who did a tour of duty in Iraq from August 2004 to April 2005, explaining why he was marching and protesting the GOP Republican Convention.

“Except we saw the killing of innocent people and the destruction of property ... for a lot of us it was very disenfranchising."

The veterans group tried to hand a message to the campaign of GOP Republican John Crash Every Plane McCain calling for a withdrawal from Iraq, reparations for the Iraqi people, and full medical benefits for veterans. No one from John Crash Every Plane McCain’s campaign received them.


If FOX NEWS does not clean up it’s filthy RACIST acts of discrimination, then American and European audiences will B O Y C O T T FOX RACIST NEWS.


GOP Republican Wall Street SRO (Self Regulatory Organization) Robber Baron Supercapitalism Is Down And Will No Longer Rob the U.S. TREASURY and AMERICAN PEOPLE

Prerequisite for the United Stats President and Vice President is advance degrees, especially in Constitutional Law. D student McCain and hillbilly Palin Failin are excluded from the highest offices in the World. The debates will be fun: Harvard Law vs. Crash Jet and Mudville.

GOP Republican Wall Street Get Rich Quick By Robbing America TREASURY Wild Speculators Created The Enormous National Debt, So Make Them Pay For It And Balance Our Budget.
GOP Republican Wall Street Supercapitalism Speculators Have Committed Treason Against Our Country.


What has WALL STREET SUPER-CAPITALISM brought you besides:

Cluttered homes full of useless crap

Semi-illiterate teenage sons on alcohol and drugs

Semi-illiterate teenage daughters on drugs and having unwanted babies

Selfish lifestyles mimicking immoral rich people off the chart divorce rates

Depress people living alone and addicted to church on TV or pornography

Guns deregulation freeing children to murder each other in school and after school

Prime time television soft pornography for the kids to mimic

Daughters dressing like prostitutes

Sons dressing like homeless

GREED GREED GREED steal money from your neighbors through wild WALL STREET speculations

SELL SELL SELL BUY BUY BUY (It is all enslaving crap)

Super Rich becomes more Super Rich, while the middle class becomes poor

College graduates cannot afford a small home and must live in their parents’ basements

Clinton left the United States with a surplus

GOP Republicans have stolen all of the Treasury surplus plus another $Trillion. Let the trials and confiscation (America versus Super Rich GOP Republican Criminals) begin

The American People will prevail over Super Rich Greedy Lawless Super Rich GOP Republicans


HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON ANGERED BY SARAH PALIN FAILIN’S REMARKS

Posted by: dwashington1 | October 3, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Folks who think this lightweight cheerleader is an intellect are the really scary ones. They get a vote, too.

On what basis can this child make judgments? She has no CONTENT for chrissakes.

McCain is like my beagle, desparately attempting to snag the food before I take it away; his fierce attempts to acquire this office while he is still alive are pitiful. I don't hate the man, but I do hate what he has become.

What was he doing in that N. Vietnamese cell? He SAYS he was standing up for American values, but he has abandoned them. Torture, unilateralism, corruption, all have his blessing now.

Palin is not the issue. She is a symptom of the rot in this lost man's soul.

Again, it's abundantly clear that the Democratic ticket is in a better position to fix this Republican mess than more amateurs. I'd be the first to reconsider if there were someone of SOME stature in McCain's VP slot, but this woman is another embarassment and insult to the world.

It appears to me that folks who really support her don't WANT McCain to be president; they want him to die in office, early on. Instant theocracy. Think about it.

Posted by: macgregor54 | October 3, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Palins' "folksy" bit just doesn't work because we need a proper leader. I don't want my vice president to be just like me -I want him/her to be highly educated on things that I find complicated. I want to know that we're in good hands and this lady is downright scary.

Haven't we been governed by "joe six pack" for the last 8 years? . . . and look what a fine mess we're in.

Posted by: ellishepburn | October 3, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

She acted like a child rebelling against authority, and hid behind her gender to patronize and insult Biden.

The purpose of the "debate" was to answer questions the public wanted answers to, and her refusal do to so was obviously because she didn't have a clue.

Posted by: michael4 | October 3, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

If some unfortunate circumstance caused your child to have a head injury, would you rush her to a neurologist or the bowling alley? It's the same reasoning why we shouldn't let Palin near the White House without an admission ticket for the tour.

Posted by: watchingduck | October 3, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

The dung heap of vice-presidential debate irrelevancy just got stacked with another layer of political scat.The smell is malodorous and reminiscent of the back end of a garbage truck that unexpectedly passes one by while one is simply trying to get some fresh air.
History repeating itself stinks.
The lipstick on a pig analogy has never been more appropriate.Choose your pig wisely.
This having been said,the Democrats are in a good political situation to win the White House next month.The Republicans will have no choice other than to take a much needed bath.
Cleanliness is next to Godliness.

Posted by: klowry57 | October 3, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

You know it just behooves me how many people continued to be fooled by the smokescreen of the GOP. Sarah Palin's performance was a smokescreen. If she had answered the questions, we would of seen the real Sarah instead of this fake folksy performance she put on last night. The real Sarah is who you have seen in the interviews with Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric.

Why would you reward the GOP with 4 more years when they have had 8 yrs to get it right.

Some people are worried about Obama's experience? What about Palin's? She may be God forbid in the arms length of the Presidency. She is not ready to lead. Being a mayor of a small town and Govenor of a State is not enough. She's only been in this game for 5 weeks.

Lets see how many of you will stand by McCain when the Troopergate report come out showing she did abuse her power.

Reality Check:
Tell me what is it about McCain that says things are going to be different? His policies are just like George Bush's? What is going to be different? Nothing. This is a man wants to reward the oil companies with more tax breaks when they are making record profits. This is a man who wants to keep the Bush tax cuts in place.

That trickle down crap didn't work when Reagan was in office( I think that is when the troubles began not when Carter was in office),it didn't work when Daddy Bush was in office and it hasn't worked for the last 8 years.

Things for the middle class continue to worsen. We are paying record high prices for gas and food. Companies that move jobs overseas get rewarded.

When Clinton was in office things were good. People were working, the economy was good and gas prices were affordable. Budget balanced.

Bush, Trillion dollar deficit.
War to no where- Costing us a billions
Ecomony-About to crash 700 billion dollar package which still favors business.

The Republicans don't give a darn about the middle class people. The legislation they have past rewards business and the wealthy. Business are not using that money to create new jobs. They are putting it in their pocket or using it to keep up with the Joneses.

How can Sarah Palin be part of the middle class with 1 million dollars in assets? John McCain- This man doesn't know how much money he has or how many houses he has. He can't even figure out which kitchen table to sit down at.

Come on people!

I think many of you refuse to see the writing on the wall. Many of you look for any one positive thing to vote for McCain because you are not comfortable voting for an African American

You would rather put a man in the office whose would continue with the polices of Bush and risk this countries future than try someone who truly has a fresh and new approach.

Obama is a very intelligent man who does not make irresponsible rash decisions like McCain has. He will not put our country in jeopardy. If he did he would be putting his family in jeopardy. This is a man who loves his country and loves his family. Give him some credit.

Are you sure that man doesn't have a touch of Alzheimers now? If he does Strawberry Shortcake could be the President. Think about that. Picking her was another rash decision. To get the disgruntled Hillary voters. Unfortunately some of them fell for it even though Sarah Palin doesn't represent a single thing she stands for.

So think carefully before you think about voting for Mccain. A vote for Mccain may be a vote that risk our countries future. Quite frankly American cannot take another 4 yrs of the GOP.

Posted by: bjlopez1130 | October 3, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey, beltwaybandit, I just have to ask, why do you think Alaska is homogenous? Are you not aware that there are three distinct indigenous ethic groups in Alaska? They are Inuit, Athabaskan and Aleut. The Inuit who live on the Diomede Islands (one in the US, one in Russia) are the only US citizens who can actually see Russia from their porch. However, no sitting governor of Alaska has ever been to the islands, and most of the residents do not know the name of the current Alaskan governor. They do, however, reportedly get along well with their Russian neighbors and travel between the islands in winter on their snowmobiles.

Just do a little Google - there's a lot of information out there. I guess that you, beltwaybandit, also think Wyoming is homogenous. There are Indian reservations there, too.

Posted by: shootmyownfood | October 3, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Palin didn't hurt McLame... but she didn't give him much of a boost, except maybe those already in her thrall.

The problem with the McLame/Pa'in ticket is that both are trying to be folksy. McLame's alleged Straight Talk Express (but his increasing rancor is making the wheels fall off the bus) and Pa'in is just a hockey mom cum the next Veep =:-0

Posted by: Roofelstoon | October 3, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Having two mavericks in the executive branch would be just like having two bulls in a china shop.

Posted by: DivinityJane | October 3, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

So how can you have a 'team of them' ? -Wassans-
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Definition also "head of cattle that lost way and is astray".
That's dictionary.

But truth is they met each other just recently.

Posted by: ElMugroso

A head of cattle is one beast. The verb in your definition is singular. Zap! You are disqualified from commenting further.

Posted by: edwcorey | October 3, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I love reading all these vitriolic comments about Sarah Palin.

Go ahead and rant.

Hope it makes you feel better.

Get used to saying President McCain.

Posted by: jeffdc1 | October 3, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

For someone who is supposed to be a good Christian woman, she was disrespectful and condescending. Jesus tells us not to call anyone Racca or fool - essentially not to disrespect anyone, so good Christian woman Palin is certainly a dichotomy. Additionally, it's quite obvious she didn't know enough to say anything of substance about the issues. Instead, she dispensed a set of talking points or one liners, very much like a trained seal tooting it's little horns for a fish treat. Granted the VP can be someone totally useless like Dan Quayle was and that's what you have here - a pretty face and nothing else. Palin being not even a heartbeat away from the Presidency - because with his cancer scares McCain only needs to get seriously ill - do you really want another buffoon running the country? We saw where that got us with George W. Bush. Yet, I wonder how many Republicans will still stand up and say: "You betcha!"

Posted by: rav4gottogo | October 3, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

JOE 3-PACK

SARAH PALIN scared me last night. Literally - all that Joe Sixpack stuff, is only to get the Joe Sixpack vote, while at the same time shipping his job overseas. The economy is so bad that Joe Sixpack can't even afford 3 packs!!
Also, let's be clear:

Would you have Joe Sixpack "One of Us" operate on you?

Would you have Joe SIxpack "One of Us" give you a root canal?

Would you have Joe Sixpack "One of US" treat the cancer in your family?

NO?

Then, ENOUGH with treating the most powerful nation on the planet as a kids Hockey game.

OBAMA/BIDEN '08

Posted by: chevychasedesigns | October 3, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

If you were the boss, who would you hire???

OBAMA: Harvard law professor, Juris Doctor of law degree, constitutional law expert, Senate committees: foreign affairs, homeland security, veterans affairs, family, education, health.

BIDEN: Juris Doctor of law degree, Senate committees: Foreign affairs (chair), economy, health, crime, women's affairs, education, technology, environment

McBUSH: graduated from the naval academy in the bottom 5% of his class, senate committees: economy, environment, official conduct (arguably the 3 biggest Republican failures!!!!!!!!!)

PITBULL PALIN: went to 6 different universities before finally getting a BA degree in journalism, no domestic or foreign policy experience but can see Russia from her house.

SERIOUSLY, THIS IS A NO BRAINER!!!!

If you vote McBush/Pitbull, the fate of your country will be in jeopardy. Everyone here in Europe is laughing at Americans--- America has become the butt of all jokes--- people are asking, how can they seriously consider voting for McBush and his Pitbull for another 4 years of Bush's failed policies? Don't they ever learn???

Remember the frontpage headline of London's Daily Mirror newspaper back in 2004 when Americans re-elected Bush: HOW CAN 59 MILLION PEOPLE BE SO DUMB?

Posted by: kbuckingham777 | October 3, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Robinson, in the tank for Obama would have said Sarah Palin lost NO MATTER what happened.
So, Biden did win the lying and bloviating contest. He LIED, so when are you going to hold him accountable.
Nope, I did not think so. I love how LYING has become politically correct.
Amazing...Go Sarah!

Posted by: oscar1234 | October 3, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

That was a debate? No, that was the Sarah Palin infomercial, as she made clear in the beginning when she said she would not follow the debate format and would "look into the camera and address the American people." What followed was the Sarah Palin pole dance for Joe Six Pack. What she was selling in her infomercial is her sexuality. The standard she is aiming for is "I'd do her!" among the males, while simultaneously convincing the females that she is simply one of them, a hockey mom, gosh darn.

If she is going to rely on selling herself as a "doable milf", it certainly is fair game for the media to go after. This is the person running for the VP.

Posted by: db11232 | October 3, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Both Palin's and McCain's quotes in the debates have been either incorrect or incorrectly attributed. To misquote Thomas Jefferson is a first-class crime in my eyes. Even one of Palin's quotes came from an American Nazi.

Posted by: EarlC | October 3, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

"I hate spunk!" Here I thought I was the only person who remembered that line from the very first Mary Tyler Moore episode. Sure, the only thing Sarah is ready for is one way ticket back to Alaska. But she does have spunk.

Posted by: Larryman | October 3, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

It is clear to me now why McCain picked Sarah Palin as his running mate. He wanted somebody who has less IQ than himself. He bypassed Carly Fiorina who is more accomplished than him. He bypassed the eBay lady who had started and run a successful internet business. McCain's educational background is still very unclear. Other than the fact that he placed 3rd from the bottom of a class of 500 or 600 in the Naval academy we don't really know what exactly he learned there. He has no formal education in US history, the constitution, economics, business or even commerce. He became a senator simply because of his being a POW for 4 years. That does not give him the smarts to be a president who has to deal with very complex issues. His lack of intelligence shows through in his selection of Sarah Palin with an IQ much less than 100 as a running mate.

Posted by: MaryHiggins1 | October 3, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

McCain's campaign has all been on gimmicks.
-Next gimmick could well be "Russia attacks Georgia with Nukes and only McCain can save us", so they dress Sarah Palin in Wonder Woman's attire, complete with headband, and she quickly claims to be an expert on the matter because her cousin lives in Atlanta.
-Don't doubt this.

Posted by: ElMugroso | October 4, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

Brian Williams on Letterman "9/11 President in air cannot land till it is declared safe, duties go to VP on land. Who do you want as VP"?

Posted by: Lindans | October 4, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Palin's debating skills of TRICK AND SKIP ANSWERS did nothing to garner increased support for McCain; and in many cases, only further cemented our choice for Obama. Her BS theatrics of 'folksy and cute' [which has carried her through life to this point], along with her ability to MEMORIZE McCAIN TALKING POINTS with the ABILITY TO REGURGITATE THEM left most of our electorate NO DOUBT that she is completely devoid of original thought, wisdom, intellect, or knowledge. She is still the identical person the public saw several days ago being interviewed by the press where she PROVED her IGNORANCE, INCOMPETENCE AND TOTAL LACK OF CURIOSITY AND QUALIFICATION for VP, and most especially POTUS. She would absolutely put our country in ever-more increasingly perilous positions on all fronts, i.e. economy, wars, environmental policy, global reputation, etc.

I can only pray that our electorate is smart enough to see through the "charade and facade" of Palin. We have had enough "FAKES, FRAUDS, AND OPPORTUNISTS" lead our country to the brink of disaster!

I say, "thanks, but no thanks for this bridge to another 'slick dick' [Cheney] VP".

Posted by: ObamasLady | October 4, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I find it pitiful that just because Palin didn't lapse into bewildered silence, people are giving her glowing reviews. Yes, yes, marvelous that she remembered her list of talking points...and? That was about as deep as she got.
She is asking to be placed as second in command of this entire nation, a nation in crisis I might add. Are we actually saying that she is up to that task, on the basis that she struggled through ONE debate?
God help us.

With a financial crisis, two active wars, and more wars looming on the horizon, this is the time for us to put forth our BEST and BRIGHTEST. It is NOT the time for some SOCIAL EXPERIMENT by John McCain to see if Joe Six-Pack can run a nation as well as someone with actual EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE!

I am a middle-class American, and I can tell you that her Sybil-like flip-flopping between personna's AND accents I found incredibly insulting. One moment she'd be speaking normally, but when addressing the voters, she'd slip into this bizarre affected hokey-folksy twang---apparently thinking "the middle class" talks like that, as if we are all picking hay out of our teeth.
She sounded like a cross between Tammy Wynette and Helga Flugenflagen from North Dakota.

Sarah and hubby knocked backed a million bucks last year, hardly qualifying her as middle class to me.

Over all, I didn't fall for it, and I doubt that many were moved. Those enthused by her performance were the same people enthused by her PRIOR to the debate. She is a list of talking points. Go beneath the surface of that...you'll find nothing but air.

Posted by: KJWhite | October 4, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Brain Williams on the Letterman show said it best"9/11,President in the air waiting for safety clearance,Presidential power given to VP on land. Who do the American people want as VP. Think about this.

Posted by: Lindans | October 4, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

For all of you out there gushing over Sarah Palin-------Who carried substance in their intelligent answers and abilty to discuss the issues and not just say "We're going to fix it" when you "elect us". Joe Biden smothered her with facts while Palin tried the old Reagan one liners like "there you go again Joe" nothing original was there?
And now for Mccain---------He said he knows "How to win wars", so please tell us here in America just what wars have Mccain won? And we're still waiting for that answer. And did Sarah Palin ever "I'll get back to ya!, to Katie Couric when she asked her to name one piece of Regulatory legislation that John Mccain produced to stop these thieves on wall street? The answer is no and she won't because there isn't anything. It is you people who vote for these incompetant empty hats that have caused what has happened to our country and your ready to do it again. Senator Biden won the debate hands down and everone knows it.

Posted by: Badfinger | October 4, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

CaptainTC===I agree with you wholeheartedly.I come from a farm family in Michigan and the only people that talk like that are stupid, uneducated people.And what's with all the winking.Whatever farm people's level of education here they are proud that they are able to present themselves in public and not stick out by talking like hicks. That's like some little flirty waitress at the local pancake house that's trying to get big tips out of some old guys by toying with them.

Posted by: majorteddy | October 5, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

I am now more then ever convinced that John McCain picked Sarah Palin not to co-govern with him, but more so to be a play date for Cindy. I’m almost certain he has visions of Cindy and Sarah his “soul mates” traipsing around the world in a warped buddy film of diplomacy and envoys for Big Daddy Mac. There is no other conceivable role for “Little Miss Sunshine” but to be CUTE!
She has shown that she can redistribute money among the good people of Alaska and that is about all .So by and by she will make a great shopping Pal Gal for the Misses!

Posted by: kimb54 | October 6, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

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