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The VP Debate: Sarah the Speedy

She spoke almost as fast as Joe Biden. She smiled. She responded to any question that required real-time thinking by ignoring it and dredging up a canned answer from the McCain campaign’s canned-answer pool. She resurrected the phrase “doggone it,” and others like it, for public consideration: Should we revive it? Put it on our currency? “In God We Trust, Doggone It?”

And for all this, Sarah Palin was rewarded Thursday Night with a resounding vote of Most Improved. She didn’t get lost in the Bering Strait, as she had with Katie Couric. She had memorized her answers, even if they weren’t the answers to the questions Gwen Ifill posed. Fully 84 percent of debate-watchers in CNN’s poll said Palin had done better than expected.

But they also said Joe Biden won the debate by a margin of 51 percent to 36 percent. The CBS poll had it Biden 46 percent, Palin 21 percent. No, she didn’t look like a deer in the headlights, because she never once paused to look around, or, for that matter, to think. But she didn’t remotely look like a president, either, like the person we trust with decisions of war and peace and life and death.

Biden, meanwhile, was having the night of his life. In fact, he did two things that Barack Obama didn’t do nearly as well in the first presidential debate last week. First, he put the middle class at the center of his case for the Democratic ticket and delineated a pro-middle-class economics quite distinct from the Republicans’ trickle-down. Second, he relentlessly attacked John McCain’s voting record, and linked it to the policies of the Bush administration. Biden, we should remember, is a scrappy lawyer with working-class roots, and he came across Thursday night as a more effective, plausible, nuanced but no-nonsense populist tribune than the Democrats have had in years. Given the current zeitgeist, he was just what the Democrats needed. Serious times need serious leaders, and Biden was surely that.

Palin was the kid from the sticks who was still standing when it was done. The nation, I think, was grateful for that. If she had gotten deeply flummoxed, as she had been during the Couric interview, it would have caused embarrassed cringing in America’s living rooms. Instead, her performance was a marvel of its kind -- dissociated, jumbled, at times completely contradictory (“you build up infrastructure and rein in government spending,” she prescribed at one point: Huh?), with soundbites appearing and reappearing almost at random, but fast, happy, almost joyous: Made it through that five-minute question that I know nothing about without even pausing: Phew!

By Harold Meyerson  | October 3, 2008; 12:57 AM ET
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"Governor Sarah Palin may have repeatedly deflected tonight questions from debate moderator Ms. Gwen Ifill to pronouncements about motherhood and apple pie," opined Dr. Jay Layknow, Dean of the School of Journalism at Arizona State University, "but I give her credit for not saying things like 'motherhood is the shining beacon of light atop an apple pie.' So I give her an A+ in that regard."

Posted by: AMemberofHumanSociety | October 3, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse


""She resurrected the phrase "doggone it", and others like it for public consideration: Should we revive it? Put it on our currency? In God We Trust, Doggone It?""


Most Six-Packers go for it. Gadzooks!

Posted by: bekabo | October 3, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

If anyone was condescending tonight, it was Palin.

Also, that she made the quote about "NUKULAR was the end all and be all of too many people" with response to the question about nuclear proliferation and the use thereof gives me the heebee jeebee's big time.

Palin is not a person I want close to The Button.

I can just picture the the 3am call for Palin. Ahh, Just nuke em, fer sure!

Posted by: tazmodious | October 3, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Good observation. You need to talk sense into your colleague, Garson. His report on the debate seemed poor. Biden won the debate clearly. I will score Biden 95% and Palin 30-50%. I felt sorry for Biden because he had no one to debate with.

Posted by: strongblood1 | October 3, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse
See Out Takes From The Practice Debates.

Most People are saying Biden Won the debate, to participate in a national poll go to

Posted by: pastor123 | October 3, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Palin didn't answer over half of the questions. Instead she gave her score card rhetoric. I cannot see how people can say that she did well.

In several crucial and complex question she answered "no" or "yes" ... "but let me talk more about Alaska, Energy, Maverick..."
Their tax cut is for people making over 250k per year. Well guess what that is not for the middle class America.

She refers herself as middle class America too. Millionaires are not middle class. At least Biden had decency to admit that as a big seat politician he is well off.

Palin was clueless. The fact that she didn't stutter or make herself as much as a fool as in the previous tv-interviews is not same as doing well. Also that was largely because she wasn't pressed to actually answer the questions. Now she just fell back for the repetitive empty nonsense.

Posted by: overboard20 | October 3, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Before the DNC convention, I was for McCain. After the DNC convention, I was for Obama. After the RNC convention, I was for McCain (not only because of Palin). After the 1st Pres. debate, I was slightly for Obama (even though I believe McCain won) because of Palin's interviews. I was worried for her in tonight's debate. But lo and behold. She spanked him big time! I'm totally sold out for McCain/Palin. No more flip-flopping. Obama is self-rightehous messiah wanna-bee. Biden showed who really is - a lying politician. So what if Sarah didn't understand 'Achilles Heel'? Big deal. Go McCain/Palin. You have my vote and the vote of my whole clan of 1000 people!

Oh by the way, mainstream media reeks of bias. Phew!

Posted by: FlipFlopper | October 3, 2008 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Before the DNC convention, I was for McCain. After the DNC convention, I was for Obama. After the RNC convention, I was for McCain (not only because of Palin). After the 1st Pres. debate, I was slightly for Obama (even though I believe McCain won) because of Palin's interviews. I was worried for her in tonight's debate. But lo and behold. She spanked him big time! She clearly showed her EXECUTIVE experience kick Obama and Biden's combined legislative experience. I'm now totally sold out for McCain/Palin. No more flip-flopping. Obama is self-rightehous messiah wanna-bee. Biden showed who really is - a lying politician. So what if Sarah didn't understand 'Achilles Heel'? Big deal. Go McCain/Palin. You have my vote and the vote of my whole clan of 1000 people!

Oh by the way, mainstream media is so very obviously bias against Palin. Doggone! Phew!

Posted by: FlipFlopper | October 3, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

One phrase is floating on the web about Palin's performance in the VP debate - "Straight Talking Points". Obviously, John McCain has picked a parrot for his VP nominee. A parrot that keeps repeating the same few phrases she has been taught, again and again and again and so on.. Come to think of it, even John McCain doesn't realize what is coming out his own mouth. Later he says something exactly opposite to what he said moments earlier.

Posted by: AnElite | October 3, 2008 2:00 AM | Report abuse

I am surprised that nobody is commenting on Gwen Ifill as a moderator tonight: She asked Biden to answer her questions first most of the time, allowing Palin more time to shuffle her index cards and prepare for her response.

Jim Lehrer did a much better and professional job keeping it fair between the two candidates during last week’s debate.

Posted by: aalinn | October 3, 2008 2:21 AM | Report abuse

When you combine the first debate with McCain and Obama and last night's debate with Palin and Biden, you get a profile of two highly intelligent, experienced, reasoned and reasonable adults vs an angry arrogant and erratic old man with a cute, folksy but fairly empty headed tow-along. Obama/Biden have won hand down.

Posted by: katharinestavrinou | October 3, 2008 2:44 AM | Report abuse

The Pitbull was unleashed for 90 minutes.
-But only kept going back to chew on training toys and to familiar grounds.
-Big dog only in small town; wants to be like godfather Chenney.
-Bone maybe, but no vote.

Posted by: ElMugroso | October 3, 2008 2:57 AM | Report abuse

Ladies and Gentlemen last night President McCain passed away in his sleep. Our new President is Sarah Palin. Long live the President!

I will now hand you to President Palin so that she can tell you how she feels.

Palin: I feel great. Todd and I have had all of our dreams come true. It was so unexpected. We can't wait until we get to ride in Air Force 1.

Later, I will solve the nation's economic problems by printing more money.

I would like Russia to remember that it should not take advantage of this situation because I do not blink. If Putin makes trouble I will send a few nukes to Moscow on a goodwill visit.

As for South America, it is time that it learned that it will do things my way.

Iraq's and Afghanistan's problems will be solved tonight when we drop a few nukes in the right places.

Todd will not be my VP. No, Todd will become President of Alaska which I have agreed should go its own way. Anyway the US of A can afford to lose one State because it has so many of them.

Now, I will not answer any questions because you just wanna trick me but I invite everyone to have a beer and a moose burger this afternoon after Todd gets the BBQ working.

Isn't this just great.

Posted by: robertjames1 | October 3, 2008 3:00 AM | Report abuse

Ifill's performance does NOT prove she was objective nor free from making an unethical decision. None of us know what this clear Obama supporter did (or didn't do) behind the scenes! For all we know her bias motivated her to give Biden a look at all her questions before the debate or she coached him on how to respond. We don't know! But her objective performance does not prove that she was the right person for the job. She is an author of a book about one of the candidates and she lied about her book to the Commission...she was the WRONG person...and we'll never know how her position of great power changed the dynamics of this debate!!!!

Posted by: gaypastor | October 3, 2008 3:16 AM | Report abuse

Both Joe Biden and Sarah Palin done excellently in tonight debate. All though, we thought Biden was extremely passionate and knowledgeable about the issues. Palin was fairly knowledgeable but scripted. She had a large amount of head knowledge which she attained in a very short time. But that certainly does not qualify her for the VP position. What deeply concerns us about John McCain is that he knows he made a mistake by picking Palin as VP but he will not admit it. That is the same stubborn character trait that George Bush has. The unwillingness to change course has contributed to Bush failed presidency. Obama has a political, economical, and a national security vision for America. So far, McCain has a tax cut and an oil drilling plan. All though, due to the American people McCain added alterative fuels, etc. as a secondary investment. And Obama added oil drilling as a secondary investment. All successful businesses invest large sums of money in good investments to get a large return. All Obama investments will have huge returns. Energy-alternative fuels, clean coal, etc., infrastructure-roads, transportation, etc., education, schools, health care, free trade fixes, etc. Thousands of good high paying jobs will be created which could be filled by our higher educated work force. The middle class incomes will increase. The interest on our 401k, investments, and savings will increase. Tax cuts should become unimportant. Tax cuts should be targeted to meet Obama investment goals. The poor should also receive tax cuts. They should at least have their basic survival needs meet.

Posted by: bobv1 | October 3, 2008 4:04 AM | Report abuse

Sarah proved that she can parrot the lines without major hiccups, if she really puts her mind into it. She had no idea whatsoever of what she was talking about. Her handlers surely crammed a lot into her head and all that coaching and mock tests she must have gone though paid off to an extent - we expected this. But at the end of the day, did she come across as a leader who can think for herself and who is intellectually curious ? NO BLOOMING WAY!

Posted by: thisworld | October 3, 2008 4:06 AM | Report abuse

I was very much hoping Palin would come out and blow me away, allowing me to believe that the nonsense I saw in the TV interviews was just nerves or something.

Nope... I am now convinced that the campaign simply tried to dupe us Republicans by giving us a VP candidate that would mix things up and give us a reason to cheer, which is making me mad.

I follow politics quite closely during election years, and I can count at least 10 rock solid, and very qualified VP picks McCain could have selected.

But those wouldn't be as exciting, and those would getting everyone talking, so they gave us a sub par candidate who had no business being near the White House, just to spark a fire in the debate.

I'm sorry, but I cannot take even a slight chance on Palin becoming President. Not for me, my family, or my country.

If she could have came out and spoke to specific policy issues, gave details on plans, or the very least answered the questions instead of just reverting to a standard list of lines I would have been singing a different tune.

I honestly feel we would be in serious danger with her as President. I feel she would be easily manipulated by all the insiders who know the facts, and can be led in directions with ulterior motives.

She failed us miserably, and as such... I regret to say, I am either going to vote third party or Obama. I am undecided, but I am decided I cannot vote for McCain/Palin ticket and still respect myself for it.

This is just nuts, and the people who were behind this pick should be thrown out of the party for caring more about trying to round up votes than giving America a candidate who is capable of navigating us through difficult waters if that person ever has to take McCain's place.

I'm totally, utterly confused and outraged at to what these "political operatives" and "strategists" have done to OUR party!

PS- I'm an ordinary, average joe six pack, with high school education and decent paying job in Arizona. Yep... the people she thinks she is talking to. I think joe sixpack must code for idiot now, because that is the only people who I know that didn't pick this up, which are very few.

Posted by: helpmehelpu | October 3, 2008 4:27 AM | Report abuse

Pitbull winks to Public when disadvantaged and in need to tell a lie, or diverge to her now famous Bridge to Nowhere.
-Just as one who'd wink to an accomplice when trying to fool someone else.
-Looks false.

Posted by: ElMugroso | October 3, 2008 4:28 AM | Report abuse

Steve Schmidt needs to give Sarah Palin the definition of "achilles Heel," the next time they have their little tutoring sessions. It's obvious that she didn't have a clue what the moderator meant.

If I hear her use that phrase "hungry for energy" one more time, I am going to throw up. You can't eat oil- or you shouldn't have to.

O'Biden? He is Irish, that's true.

She is still a liar, and totally ignorant about relevant national and international issues- despite the winks and smiles.

It's obvious that John McCain has lost his marbles with this one.

P.S. Senator McNasty, I don't attend "Georgetown cocktail parties." dog gone it, y'all.Wink, wink.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 3, 2008 4:38 AM | Report abuse

FlipFlopper, watch the debate one more time. You, myself or anyone else could have performed in that debate the exact same with 24 hours of prep work.

How? It's quite easy when all you need to do is read from a set of index cards and ignore the question, or provide any specifics. Heck, we could all do that, with those index cards, with an hours notice.

That is what scares me. She showed no direct knowledge of virtually anything during the debate, no knowledge of history, no knowledge of anything that is required to effectively make good decisions in regards to the country.

I'm not sold on Obama/Biden, but I am definitely not voting McCain/Palin now. McCain blew it with me, and about 50% of the people I know who were going to vote for him by picking Palin. I've been on the phone all night, and the majority are thoroughly unimpressed and disgusted by what the Republicans are shoving down our throat.

Posted by: helpmehelpu | October 3, 2008 4:40 AM | Report abuse

This Myerson article is pure garbage, ugly, and disrespectful of the U.S.A. and our vice-presidential candidate. It is another low in articles in the Post.
I guess you get paid for writing this trash?
Disgusting, even from a hell-bent socialist!

Posted by: USDefender | October 3, 2008 4:48 AM | Report abuse

Flip Flopper, stop the bs. You were never a Obama/Biden fan, you're either a PUMA or just someone who was always for McCain and wants to be dramatic in the hopes of converting someone else. You feel what you want to feel about the debate and the GOP but you don't spit out the vitriol you do overnight. STFU!

Posted by: raduodogi | October 3, 2008 4:51 AM | Report abuse

Republicans are so out of touch that they actually think middle Americans talk like Palin.

Palin is a millionaire. She has 10x more money than Joe Biden, and most of that came from British Petroleum, via her husband. She's about as wealthy as Barack Obama.

And yet, she tries to pretend she's average middle class... just like Bush Sr. pretended to like pork rinds in 1988, and then told his political advisor Lee Atwater after he won the election that he couldn't wait to start eating real food again... like they have in CT I guess, where his real home was... not in Texas.

She's not middle class. She's acting. She's pretending her ignorance is enough to make people believe she's not the GOP elitist that she is.

But she's a terrible actor... and pretty insincere. The whole routine is a caricature and America doesn't seem to want a character out of the movie Fargo as the next VP.

At least that's what the polling tells us.

Posted by: j_mcdouglas | October 3, 2008 5:01 AM | Report abuse

I felt like too many of the questions posed were leading; they could be answered by a simple, "yes" or "no," which allowed Palin to move off topic more than once. I was also dismayed at her ample use of expressions like "gotcha," "darn it," and "doggone it." I do not want to be represented by someone who tries so hard to cultivate homespun. We need an articulate, educated VP who has the experience necessary to take office.

In looking at comments posted to the BBC site, one reader from the Netherlands said, "The reason Sarah Palin is on the ticket is to give the religious right someone to vote for. She could have come over as a stumbling bumpkin and it would make no difference - she loves the Lord!" and another from London categorized Palin as "a waitress trying to remember today's special for the 300th time."

Do we really want to have that perception of our leaders globally? We've had enough flak for Bush already.

Posted by: ceeveg | October 3, 2008 5:02 AM | Report abuse

This is the best the GOP has to offer? McCain is 72 -- he could definitely die in office or at least be sidelined for awhile for health issues. How could they put such a lightweight into the #2 position? Or maybe we just saw why they like her -- she is a great puppet. Well, Palin has guts and nerve that's for sure, but up for being president, no way!

Posted by: e2holmes | October 3, 2008 5:32 AM | Report abuse

Hey Flipflopper - I can you where you are on the intellectual barometer, judging by the fact that you were so impressed with Palin's rehearsed lines. You are easily fooled, aren't you?

Posted by: thisworld | October 3, 2008 5:34 AM | Report abuse

After watching and listening to this debate, I can honestly say that the Washington post is just another run of the mill newspaper slanted to only tell half truth's and since the reporter who wrote this article doesn't reflex the several out right lie's that Biden said about McCain and then critized Palin and McCain for only getting a 36% grade and giving Biden 51% is completely contrary to the people who watched and voted after the debate. When the call in scores were finally shown, it was 86% for McCain/Palin and only 12 % for Obama/Biden.

Posted by: yotaxi1 | October 3, 2008 5:37 AM | Report abuse

After reading most of these posted comments, I have come to the conclusion that the IQ of a fifth grader is higher that most of the posters of comments here. I didn't read anyone's comment that reported the lie's that Bidens made on National TV. As far as most of the media they're not going to be able to edit out, cut, or distort any part of Palin's answers

Posted by: yotaxi1 | October 3, 2008 5:49 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Mr. Meyerson for not equivocating the performances of Biden and Palin like so many other commentators. I'm really tired of hearing how incompetence is somehow acceptable or, for that matter, preferred by the electorate. You called it the way the viewers called it. Biden won by a 2 to 1 vote in the post debate surveys.

Posted by: geoffnich | October 3, 2008 6:09 AM | Report abuse

Being a U.S. Senator does not qualify anybody for the position of President or Vice President. That is why most of the time they don't win their parties nomination and when they do, they don't win the White House. Having a Senator at the top of both tickets is another exception to a campaign full of exceptions.

Palin not qualified? The top of the the Democratic ticket isn't qualified to run a McDonald's franchise much less a country. The only deer in the headlights look I have seen in this race is when his teleprompter malfunctioned.

Thankfully people like Harold Myerson are around to make the elitists feel good about themselves. By all historical measures, Obama should be blowing the GOP ticket away and yet, doggone it, the race is still too close to call. Maybe the folks out in the real world are a little more enlightened than the opinion writers give them credit for.

Posted by: TomJPyle | October 3, 2008 6:29 AM | Report abuse

Oh good God,so I cannot stop laughing at
just how badly Gov Sarah Palin kicked old
phony never stops running his motor mouth
5 times Draft Dodger,Democrat Version of
Draft Dodger Cheney,empty suit liberal
Joe Biden Butt all over the place,and in
fact proved Biden is as big a joke as the
Sleazy Chicago Shake Down Artist Con Man
Messiah Bail Out Barry Barack Hussein Obama
that other peacenik Democrat Draft Dodger.

So once again the dimwit Democrats will end
up losing yet another Presidential Election. Obama and Biden NO THANKS! These
Latest Two Big Time Democrat Losers Will
Spell The End Of The Marxist/Socialist
Democrat Liberal Peacenik Party for all

Posted by: SherryKay2004 | October 3, 2008 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?

We wont.

Posted by: PulSamsara | October 3, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

What you neglect to note is how difficult what she has been doing has been... plunging from a rural state to national, global headline political dodgeball in a matter of weeks.

I suspect that, if you were suddenly transplanted into the wilds of Alaska, and if, about a month later, we checked in on you, you would still not have tracked, shot and gutted your first moose. What Sarah Palin is doing now is the world leadership politics version of successfully completing the Iditarod on short notice with no advance training except for the equivalent of prior pet dog owning (local politics).

I bet if the tables were turned and some politician were plucked out of DC and forced to run an Iditarod successfully with only-on-the-trail training, only one out of 20 (or fewer) could do it.

Posted by: AsperGirl | October 3, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

gaypastor.... unless someone came to your door and asked you to moderate a debate, you will just have to discover for yourself that every person most likely to ever moderate a debate has a long record of writing and speaking about politics. Its just the nature of the kinds of folks that do such things.

Ifill allowed Palin to hang herself - and that's a good thing.

Palin showed Ifill the disrespect she saves for Afridan Americans with her refusal to respond to the questions asked, a refusal to ever address the moderator.

The terms, conditions, format of debates are hammered out between the candidates and sponsors to the last dot. It was incumbent upon Palin to debate within the rules. It tells us about how the candidate will handle the job when we are not watching. Whether we can trust them to abide by our Constitution, and the rules and mores of the centuries of democracy that we've built.

That she failed, refused, and expected to be rewarded for it told all of us this was no one we wanted in our White House.

Posted by: dutchess2 | October 3, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama is just another politician that will do or say whatever it takes to fulfill his political ambitions. Barack is calculated and methodical about hiding his true convictions and intentions, and uses deception to get elected.

The time is now!
For Americans to remember Barack Hussein Obama’s intimate 20 year relationship with the Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright, who blessed Barack and Michelle marriage and baptized both their daughters. AND, to remember the hideous videos of Jeremiah Wright’s congregation which included the Obamas, damning America with bombastic joy, after the Muslim’s criminal attack on America on 9/11.

The time is now!
For Americans to remember how Barack's Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright used his tax-exempt church to exercise a radical political agenda, and how he refers to Israel, as well as America, as a "racist" State. Barack's religious leader, Jeremiah Wright believes that the true 'Chosen People' are the blacks; and that black values are superior to middle-class American values.
 Indeed Barack's Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright is a black supremacist.

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama wants to be president to implement Jeremiah Wright’s dream of a black supremacist society in America.

The time is now!
For Americans of all political parties to come together to preserve the future of the country we love and have always been proud of, by voting for a True American Patriot and War Hero who risked his life for our country:
John McCain for President of the United States of America.

Country First!
Americans for John McCain/Sarah Palin

Posted by: Manolete | October 3, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

"She responded to any question that required real-time thinking by ignoring it and dredging up a canned answer from the McCain campaign’s canned-answer pool."

The man who chose her as his VP candidate wasn't thinking. She wasn't properly vetted. It was a fatal choice.

Bush/Cheney No More Years.

Posted by: thebobbob | October 3, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Joe Biden should be the Dem presidential nominee.

For that matter, he should have been the presidential nominee in 1988 - him I would have voted for over GHWB.

Posted by: FSG_ATL | October 3, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

I find most of these comments outrageously funny.

Obama or McCain can't fix this financial bankruptcy of the country or the banking system. The comments on these blogs show how mathematically inept all of the bloggers are.

The banks are leveraged 30 to one. They are basically bankrupt. Obama or McCain aren't going to fix that.

We have a ten Trillion dollar national debt headed toward 11 trillion tonight.

The government only collects 2.5 Trillion in taxes.

If interest rates spike up to 20 percent.....which is what they will most probablt will owe 2.2 trillion dollars in interest payments on the national debt.

While all the mathematically illiterate, argue about who primped and preened there way into all your hearts.....the country is going broke.

Neither party will save you from this mess.
You are all deluded, and laughable, in your preponderance to argue about how smuck one....or smuck two.....will save you from imminent bankruptcy.

Put a picture of Biden and Obama on your wall.....put a picture of McCain and Palin on your wall. And give the picture to the he kicks you out of your house, when the bank forecloses on it, and you are ushered out of it into the middle of the street.

Both parties just bailed out the people who are going to kick your behind to the curb. They are going to save you the misery of not having a bank to send your mortgage payment too.

You'll notice they aren't going to change any interest rates on the mortgages that were hustled onto the american taxpayer.

They wouldn't want to hurt the investors loan sharking operation as well as the banks loan sharking operation.

Obama and McCain just want the loan sharking operation to survive. Then they can get more campaign contributions for their next run.

Posted by: bzzpd | October 3, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

According to Sarah Palin, "you can't blink" but apparently it's O.K. to "wink" several times during an incredibly important and serious national debate. Gov. Palin does have a future, though. Christopher Guest will soon be calling her to star in "Waiting for Guffman II". This delightful sequel chronicles Corky St. Clair's run for the the mayor of Blaine Missouri. Gov. Palin most certainly will be considered for the part of Corky's oppponent. She unquestionably has some experience to draw upon there. I think I'll go home now and bite my "pilla"!

Posted by: DramaMcQueen | October 3, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

In times of serious crisis that imperil our nation, why is Palin's strategy of winking her way to the Presidency taken seriously?

Talking points, spin, winks -- and we are in a deep hole financially, militarily, etc.

Posted by: somerseten | October 3, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

I remember taking college blue book exams and BS-ing my way through an answer to a question on which I had only superficial knowledge. No one ever gave me credit for the effort. Yes, Sarah Palin got through the debate; however, she shouldn't be given credit for BS answers to questions on which she was, obviously, clueless.

Posted by: pagirl62 | October 3, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

"I remember taking college blue book exams and BS-ing my way through an answer to a question on which I had only superficial knowledge. No one ever gave me credit for the effort. Yes, Sarah Palin got through the debate; however, she shouldn't be given credit for BS answers to questions on which she was, obviously, clueless."

Good point. Just because stupid people think that she sounds like she knows what she is talking about, doesn't mean she knows what she is talking about.

If you fall for her talking in circles, then I have a used car to sell you.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 3, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

If McCain's healthplan is passed. My work will drop healthcare. I will be stuck paying $12000 a year for something I pay $3000 through my employer for now.

That is a net loss of $9000 a year. You can garrentee that I will be one of the people that has no health insurance, gets injured, and hands the emergency room bill to the government to pay, just like the other 20 millionn people that will be like me.


Think short term, get short returns.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 3, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Reading this column and these comments, I'm relieved and impressed that intelligence, command of detail, calm, competence, ability to think on one's feet, depth of feeling, and strength might be the "bar of excellence" we can finally own as Americans. I'm so tired of the "bar of mediocrity" that has been used by commentators and candidates alike in the past two elections. What a team we have in Obama and Biden! What combined intelligence and ability to deal calmly and decisively with complex issues! We Americans can breathe a sigh of relief that someone might actually be governing, leading, figuring out complicated problems! Why have we put up with "beer-drinking companions just like us"? Why do Republicans keep foisting these shallow folksy types on us. Joe Biden is plenty "folksy" and "attractive" for me, since what I want is a proven leader, not someone who can get over a bar so low all she has to do is not trip over it. Keep up the good work, Americans finally recognizing that mediocrity in leaders leads to disaster.

Posted by: cturtle1 | October 3, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

"No, she didn’t look like a deer in the headlights, because she never once paused to look around, or, for that matter, to think"

Right. "Deer in the headlights" is reserved for when she's blindsided by something unexpected. What a relief! I feel much safer now.

Posted by: martymar123 | October 3, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Because people's expectations of Palin are so low, saying she is "much improved" is not saying much. The depth, intellect and experience are not there. Despite her folksy delivery, she is the empty suit in this election.

Palin's stick to the talking points, rapid fire debating style was lacking. Several times she failed to answer direct questions, such as deregulation and the troubled economy, and she started talking about energy instead.

The American people can see through this canned answer approach. We have had 8 years of Bush saying little of substance, or following through or being accountable.

Posted by: laurabunny | October 3, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Manolete-Your intelligence is about equal to Sarah Palin's. There you go with the typical Republican Racist Rant. The ONLY thing you fear is that a HALF Black man might be your president. Admit it and let it be done.

Jeremiah Wright is not running for President, he is a pastor of a church that is of MANY RACES-to my knowledge religion is not divided by color/race.
Furthermore...when you speak of Wright saying Blacks are the "chosen people"- Jews say they are the chosen people, Ethiopians say the same...why is this a problem for you? I suppose you think they are all wrong? Are you saying WHITE PEOPLE are the chosen people? You're really not saying anything that matters anywhere other than your tiny brain.
You're pulling a Palin- saying words that are meant to dodge and distract.
Answer this:
How does any of what you wrote relate to last night's debate? It doesn't STFU.

Posted by: lioness_ohyes | October 3, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

When considering that McCain picked Palin to draw disaffected Hillary voters, then we all must compare Palin to Hillary. For McCain to think that Palin's leadership qualities compare to Hillary's; or for that matter, either Benazir Bhutto or Margerite Thatcher shows how much disdain McCain has for the intelligence of the American people and the demonstrated leadership qualities of these world leaders, who happen to be women.

Posted by: jjdofct | October 3, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

I don't know which is worse - Sarah's acceptance speech, in which she acted like a pitbull in lipstick and designer glasses; her interviews, for which she crammed and then got flustered when she was asked a question that she hadn't studied for (like name a newspaper or two that you routinely read); or 'folksy' Sarah, where she answered the questions she wanted to answer and then kept repeating the answers to those same questions when she was asked other questions she didn't want to or couldn't answer.

If this 'folksy' Sarah was supposed to make me warm up to her, it failed. I caught her several times lying either about the Obama/Biden positions or McCain's. Like Biden and millions of other Americans, I grew up in a working class community, so I have absolutely nothing in comon except chromosomes with a woman who hunts caribou, shoots wolves from airplanes (now that's real sportsmanship), and has a favorite recipe for moose stew. My friends and I swap recipes for dips, casseroles and cakes, when we're not talking about the job market, rising prices and our falling retirement funds.

Finally, there's that voice! She sounds as though she's in the process of being strangled and peppering all her statements with, "youbetchas" and "doggoneits" sounded a bit contrived.

My final conclusion was that Joe Biden is a better human being than I am, because he remained gracious throughout the evening. I know if I were stuck on stage with her, I would not have.

Posted by: laSerenissima2003 | October 3, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I know debate expectations for Sarah Palin were low, like "2000 Leagues Below the Sea" low, but I expect a little more substance from the person who is running to be one 72 year old heart beat away from the presidency.

Palin offered zero policy differences from the Bush administration. Her reasoning for this, apparently, was that the past is not important.
Palin did not display the ability draw upon her own experience or apply knowledge in her responses. She merely came across as a robot who spouted trained "stock" replies. She simply recited Republican talking points and right wing catch phrases that any Fox News employee could regurgitate on command.

In fact, the only win for the McCain/Palin ticket tonight was having a debate moderator who did not push for specific answers to her questions.
I cannot count the number of times Palin gave a response that had absolutely nothing to do with the question. Sometimes she
even gave an answer that was the opposite of what was asked. For example, when asked to list her "Achilles heel," instead of describing just one single weakness, Palin gave a memorized list of her "strengths." Reminds me of 2004 when Bush said he could not think of any mistake he ever made as president!

On a personal level, I was turned off and, at times, insulted by her shrill tone and twisted disrespectful attacks at Joe Biden. And her transparent attempts at folksiness came across as down right corny. Is this how she would answer the 3am call? "Say it ain't so, Iran has nuclear weapons, well doggone it, don't those folks over there know that I'm a maverick who isn't afraid to give ya some straight talk?"

In short, Sarah Palin failed the "is she ready" test tonight. I find it impossible to imagine her in the White House.

Biden, on the other hand, displayed his mastery of the facts and the real issues facing middle class America. He gave answers that connected with a guy like me, a REAL average Joe. And, I should point out, he was professional enough to actually answer the questions he was asked. After tonight, I can easily and comfortable envision Biden as President of the United States.

Posted by: jgarrisn | October 3, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

To Aspergirl:

your comments, while intended to support Palin, actually make the points that her critics make. True, you could not transplant most metropolitan DC folks to Alaska and have us be competent moose hunters. for that reason, we don't go to Alaska and vie for the number 2 spot of moose hunting leadership. We know we're not qualified for it.

the fact that Palin needs to be coached as much as she done and given scripts to read on all of the issues and told to avoid questions she doesn't understand shows how little she is qualified to be vice president. A truly qualified person for a job is in his or her element during the job interview not completely out of it. no company would hire someone who is getting his or her on the job traininig for the position during the interview period itself. While none of the candidates have been vice president, the qualifications of having national experience in the issues that matter most these days: the economy, foreign policy, national security, alternative energy, health care are things that one can develop prior to the election cycle. Joe Biden has that kind of experience. Palin is first learning.

Palin says that if she's vice president she'll be in charge of alternative energy. She has a degree in communications. She, like Bush, comes from an oil state and we saw how that affected the Bush administration's energy policy. Palin goes around chanting "drill, baby, drill". McCain's campaign leaders and transition team leader are oil lobbyists. What does this say about the McCain/Palin commitment to energy independence and renewable energy sources? if Palin, with her communications degree, disagrees with scientists that people are contributing to global warming, can we really expect her to take real human action to curb global warming? these are complex issues that cue cards and teleprompters can't solve; it requires knowledgeable people. Biden may not be an alternative energy expert either, but he's not going to be the guy in charge of Obama's alternative energy policies. He's going to do what he has experience for: be a liaison to congress for Obama. that reflects sound executive experience: having your people do what they have expertise in, not giving them things to do for which they have no background or preparation.

Posted by: adifferentpointofview | October 3, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Thanks very much for thinking and writing as a responsible adult and not a typical partisan political hack of the right-wing especially, persuasion.
The WaPo has some of the best thinkers and then some of the very worst. You are in the former.

Posted by: strohblumen | October 3, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I don't want to hear about Alaska. I want to hear what specific proposals that McCain has for changing whats happening to the middle class. Sarah Palin sounded like an infomercial of inane generalities. Outside of parroting the terrible health care tax credit, her minions attempted to have her basically copy the democratic position without being specific. I'm sure the right wing whackos loved what she said about equal rights.

Posted by: SYWanda | October 3, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

@laurabunny- THANK YOU! I am so glad there are people who actually value SUBSTANCE over SILLINESS.
I didn't watch the debates for folly- I wanted to know how these 2 would support the elected official, bring respect back to the VP's role and how he/she would complement that President when called to action. Her coaches evidently taught her to "talk fast and confuse" because they know...she knows nothing.
Palin was/is a real embarrassment and all the shucking and jiving and smart-a$$ remarks did nothing but reinforce my belief that she takes all this as a joke. It's not cute, funny or flattering to be condescending or boastful and when asked for AN OPINION, one should at least be able to voice their personal thoughts-those answers don't come on note-card! An "achillies heel" is a fatal weakness among strengths, actually or potentially leading to downfall. While Biden did manage to work an answer into his soliloquy, she talked about being a wife and mother and how Alaska has oil...

She had no clue about the most important issues we face as a nation. I don't do cute and curt when it comes to the welfare of my family or my country-this is a serious election. If she wants to be taken seriously as a politician, she better do a lot more than grin at men, make dumb remarks and throw pot shots. I'm not sure what she thinks is going on, but if she tried that in the wrong arena or with the wrong people...she'll see how funny she IS NOT and how real this all is to REAL people in America.

BTW- Oil is NOT the only energy source we can tap for the future-America has A LOT of resources that are not being utilized; most of them ARE NOT in Alaska. "NUCULAR" is NOT A WORD and no matter how many times it's said- "it just ain't so, SARAH".

Posted by: lioness_ohyes | October 3, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

So if Sarah Palin should be on the winning team and the elder McCain should not survive office who will be coaching her then? Who will really be running the country at that point? It surely won't be her as she has minimal information on every issue. She obviously has skill for not answering a question but sooner or later she might actually have to do that.

Will she start new wars with doggone folksy humor? Will she handle our complicated economic problems with a wink and an answer from the cards they gave her?

What was John McCain thinking that he would expose us to this?

Posted by: Annie11 | October 3, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Mediocrity & Maverickity: If your child comes home with a D- on their report card and you believe that at least this child didn't get an F, then Palin is your candidate. Although Palin was engaging, she proved thoroughly unqualified for the VP slot but would be a great Host on her own daytime talk show, watch out Oprah & Ellen. I'm certain we haven't seen the last of this politician, and an outsider she's not! Visit a quick Plain tracker at
~Vote 2008~

Posted by: wyattobamanation | October 3, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Being "folksy" is no substitute for competence. "You betchas" and "doggoneits" don't endear me to her or connect me to her. I was a working mom, my three kids played soccer and little league and that is where my identification with this woman ends. She may be a fine governor, but my God I don't want her to be vice president with chance of her becoming president. I guess the "base" of the Republican Party are estatic because she didn't implode last night nad that is reflected by their gushing critiques of her perfromance -- "hit it out of the park," "wiped the floor with Biden." I guess it gets them through the night, but it is pure nonsense. Last night, Palin just reinforced for me just how not qualified she is for the office she seeks. A win by a McCain/Palin ticket is frightening, indeed.

Posted by: creatia52 | October 3, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

What should strike all americans by now is how important the role of the President is.
Yesterday the Senate passed an agreement with India over civilan nuclear power. It gives India the capacity to make an unlimited number of nuclear weapons. Pakistan now wants the same deal. The Senate, distracted by the Bailout Fiasco, passed the treaty 86-14. No debate, a bunch of senators relying on the White House not to do something really stupid.

What happens 10 years from now. Let's hope that the United States has become energy independent. But let's say India and China have not.
Both of these economic power houses are now using more oil than we did in 2008. A war breaks out over oil and the world is destroyed. Not possible - the fact that we become energy independent maybe but a nuclear war over oil - highly plausible.

Posted by: agapn9 | October 3, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"But she didn’t remotely look like a president, either, like the person we trust with decisions of war and peace and life and death."

Maybe you've been in Washington and around the political elite a little too long. I think for the average American the idea of having a president that looks, and sounds, like them is appealing.

There's no doubt she's not qualified to be president on experience alone but I believe the "Palin factor" is something that every politician needs to be aware of.

The day is coming, if it has not already, when Americans are going to say we "we don't want a spit and polished politician. We want someone who understands us, can relate, and can put the party aside and do what's best,."

Posted by: tengam | October 3, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Palin was robotic as she read her prescripted fibs and distortions:

*Obama/Biden will raise taxes on the middle-class.

NOT True. Here are the Obama and McCain tax plans side to side, I'll leave it to the reader to decide how well they will do under each:

……………… MCCAIN …………. OBAMA
Income ……. Avg tax bill ……. Avg. tax bill
Over $2.9M …. -$269,364 (-4.4%)… +$701,885 (+11.5%)
$603K and up…. -$45,361 (-3.4%)… +$115,974 (+8.7%)
$227K-$603K…… -$7,871 (-3.1%)…….. +$12 (+0.0%)
$161K-$227K…… -$4,380 (-3.0%)….. -$2,789 (-1.9%)
$112K-$161K…… -$2,614 (-2.5%)….. -$2,204 (-2.1%)
$66K-$112K …… -$1,009 (-1.4%)….. -$1,290 (-1.8%)
$38K-$66K …….. -$319 (-0.7%)….. -$1,042 (-2.4%)
$19K-$38K …….. -$113 (-0.5%)……. -$892 (-3.6%)
Under $19K ……… -$19 (-0.2%)……. -$567 (-5.5%)

*On Healt Care and the McCain tax credit, "That doesn't cost the government anything as opposed to Barack Obama's plan to mandate health care coverage and have universal government run program"

Again, NOT true. The Obama plan is NOT mandatory for adults, and the plan will simply open up the Federal Employee's Plan in which Obama and, ironically, McCain are now enrolled in to individual Americans, the program is run by PRIVATE Insurance Companies, further, Americans with pre-existing conditions will have no financial barrier to access under the plan, and, Americans will be able to stay with their employer's plan or purchase their own private insurance if they choose.

McCain's "plan" will be paid for by taxing the benefits of Americans who are insured through their employers, I don't know how Gov Palin defines "tax hike" but that sure as heck sounds like one to me.

This is just the tip of the iceberg of the distortions of Obama's proposals and record, I could go on and on.

As Obama says, "Enough is Enough" of the failed ideology espoused by McCain/Palin.

Posted by: Hold_that_tiger | October 3, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse


Your right we want someone who understands us and can relate, problem is Sarah Palin is not that person. Given time to polish up her folksy image she can come off like that, but in the grand scheme of things she is just like any other politician........

Posted by: rharring | October 3, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"The day is coming, if it has not already, when Americans are going to say we "we don't want a spit and polished politician. We want someone who understands us, can relate, and can put the party aside and do what's best,."
I thought we got that in the studied rusticism of George Bush (ugh), please NO MORE pretend "regular folk" in the White House, how about someone competent?

Posted by: Hold_that_tiger | October 3, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: hclark1 | October 3, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin unfortunatley running in the wrong election cycle. Had she and John McCain been running after President Clinton was in office, she may have a better shot. However- after 8 years of MESS that W has created for us, now is NOT the time for "you betchas" and "dog gone its". We are facing the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression. Our boys are over seas dying in a war that should never have been started. We need those in office who can answer questions with a clear conscise GROWN UP answer rather than small town Wasilla Alaska twang. Not the time, not the place. If she wants to speak in those terms, then Wasilla Alaska is where she belongs. Go back home Govenor, and sit on your porch and scare Putin out of our airspace with a smile, a wink, and a You Betcha.

Posted by: pollypocketz | October 3, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Vapid, shallow person, repeating sterotypical Republican bromides instead of giving direct answers to direct questions.
Americans deserve better Ms. Palin.

Posted by: tniederberger | October 3, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is that Palin is on the ticket to woo the Evangelicals. Her debate cannot possibly reach the fencesitters who might be nervous about her being in position to succeed the ailing McCain. The fact that McCain's campaign is having so much trouble steering the two into a favorable track shows the potential disaster that a McCain/Palin administration would be. That is the real debate.

Posted by: Puller58 | October 3, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: hclark1 | October 3, 2008 11:51 AM
Yeah right, and if anyone believes that I have a "Bridge to Nowhere" to sell you.

Posted by: Hold_that_tiger | October 3, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

To All of you Obama-Biden Supporters

You seem to overlook your president and vice president nominees faults. Obama never really had a real job, wrote 2 books trying to find out who he is, never ran a business, was an organizer who only worked at that for l/2 years and got disgusted, (his projects are now a complete failure in the Chicago area) spent the rest of his time going around to get folks to register to vote because he knew right then he was going to run for president. He ran for office, lost, ran again, threw out all of his opponents and was the only one on the ballot. He won the election, served in Illiois senate, voted present instead of yes or no, protecting himself so nothing would be held against him in further elections, joined a well connected church, listened to his mentor Rev. Wright and you believe him that he did not ever hear his rantings? Again Wright was his mentor.
Threw his grandmother, his minister, and anyone else who got in his way under the bus, lied about his friendship with the bomber Ayres, lied about friendship with convicted Rezko, became a master at delivering speeches that are written by other people. (He does not mean one thing he delivers in those speeches) he will do what he wants when he gets in office) Did not salute our flag, when folks complained, he now salutes our flag. Did not wear the American flag pin. Folks complained he now wears the pin. Never went overseas but claims he has experience because he lived in Indonesia He was 7 years old?? Forced to to to Europe and criticized our country for our mistakes. We may make them but that is what the Europeans want to hear. Gave a few speeches in Europe and now has foreign policy experience.
Picked a Vice President who voted for the war but criticizes others who also voted, said he did not know how he would have voted if he were in the senate. Was a big part of demanding with his support of ACORN and the Black Caucaus to get loans for low income folks who could not afford owning homes. Remember his support of community organizers pushed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mack to give these loans to folks who should have been renters and not home owners. Obama played a huge part of what the huge financial problem is today. His givaway to the poor. Just look up the Utube on this subject. Be prepared under his presidency to have our money distributed to the poor.

If this is what you want for a president you deserve him. He chose a running mate that is Old Washington. I trust MCCain because McCain is not a George Bush he is John MCCain. I believe that I will not be thrown under the bus by McCain but Obama will have no problem throwing all of us under the bus. You will see a different man when he gets into office. You can take that to the bank if there are any left after this guy gets into office.

A Registered Democrat who did her homework.

Posted by: vmu1 | October 3, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Particularly interesting that she would bring up Ronald Reagan since this economic bailout/collapse officially ends the chapter of Reagan's economic ideals.

Also her pronunciation of "nucular" sounds strangely familiar.

For a Woman who says that we should not look back she sure makes a lot of backward references.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 3, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

10 bucks says they polish her for 4-8 years and she makes a serious run for POTUS.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 3, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Palin obviously has no command of the issues, but only repeated the talking points she was coached for regardless of the questions at hand. But that’s the best she can do for John McCain. Ya.

McCain got his 84 millions from the US Dept. of Treasury. With the economic downturn, Sen. Obama's camp, relying on donors like you and me, will be hurt. We are in the last days of campaign. This election is not locked in yet. Let's all give Sen. Obama one last push by donating $5, $10,... $50 whatever you can. We must not let our nation to fall into the disastrous hands of McCain. You can skip a cup of coffee, or a movie. Please help yourself (big!) and your country by helping Sen. Obama to win this race.

Posted by: leiguo1959 | October 3, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Presidents need to evaluate utterly new situations--think 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, the current conflating financial situation--and make logical long-term decisions that work out best for the country at large. Bringing a plateful of ideological precepts to the table--especially the strange notion that you can behave like a 12 year old with a credit card 8 years running and never have to pay the bill--is just ludicrous. Somebody always pays, in blood, treasure, or political capital. Bush and his ilk have planned short term and spent long term. They have served the American people as gross spendthrifts and their bills are coming due.
Right now, top to bottom we need clear thinking, rigorous, ethically minded people who are equipped to tote up the charges against our country, determine how to best pay, and then set the country on a straight, sustainable path into the future. Ideologues are not wanted now; bullies and short-term thinkers are not wanted. The situation must not be made worse. Who is best equipped to make tough, fair, long term decisions then? That's the person we NEED as president, and short-term, prepackaged ideologies be damned.

Posted by: wmconelly | October 3, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Palin proved that she can remember lines and speak from rehearsed rhetoric. That makes her a better actress then VP.

If Iliff had pushed Palin for more in-depth responses to her questions as moderator, I believe the nation would have witnessed Palin returned to the Couric interview moments. Moose in the headlights for sure.

Joe, on the other hand, proved he is ready for VP and President. Thoughtful, knowlegesble, steady, gracious, appropriate emotions, and definitely not fake.

Obama/Biden 2008, 2012, etc.

Posted by: CintiMCMomma | October 3, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

"A Registered Democrat who did her homework.

Posted by: vmu1 | October 3, 2008 1:07 PM"
I just gotta say, your homework assignment was plagiarized from many right-wing propaganda sites. There are so many inaccuracies and unsubstantiated accusations that I suspect you are republican since your style has republican fingerprints all over it.

I don't even have the time or space to begin to type your many false claims. Perhaps if you wish to share email addresses I will try to help set the record straight.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 3, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I don’t like Palin's winks that made the election something less serious. We need serious leader at serious times.

Posted by: leiguo1959 | October 3, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Just a few items about Biden...

1. Biden unsuccessfully sought the Democratic presidential nomination in 1988 and 2008...that should tell you something.

2. Biden received five student draft deferments, with the first coming in late 1963 and the last in early 1968, at the peak of the Vietnam War. In April 1968, he was reclassified by the Selective Service System as not available for service due to having had asthma as a teenager. ( the peak of the war, he finds an excuse to be exempt..something from way back in his teens…figures, EXCUSES, EXCUSES)

3. One of his grandfathers was a member of the Pennsylvania State Senate (he has a family of politicians, nothing has changed)

4. He went on to receive his Juris Doctor from Syracuse University College of Law in 1968, where he ranked 76th of 85 students. (now you can’t blast McCain’s rank in his class)

5. He plagiarized a law review article for a paper he wrote in his first year at law school and then claims that he didn’t realize the importance of citing your works. He used five pages from a published law review article without quotation or attribution' out of his 15 page article. C’mon he had how many years of education to NOT KNOW??? Even high school seniors are taught the importance of citing their work or be guilty of plagiarism. EXCUSES, EXCUSES.

6. Another time of plagiarizing something… Biden’s 1988 presidential bid imploded when it was revealed he was lifting parts of his stump speech -- and parts of his supposed family history -- from a speech given by British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock. Biden said he was the first in his family to go to college. He wasn't. He said he was the grandson of a coal miner who "would come up [from the mines] after 12 hours and play football."

7. He said he was forced down by terrorists…it was a snowstorm not terrorists.

8. He said, "When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed," Biden told the CBS Evening News on Sept. 22….DUH!!!!

9. He said, "Hope you won't hold it against me, but I am a hard coal miner -- anthracite coal, Scranton, Pennsylvania, that's where I was born and raised," Biden said to mine workers in Virginia on Sept. 20. His great-grandfather was a coal miner and his father worked in a car dealership and worked in an oil business.

10. He told an environmentalist on Sept. 17 at a campaign stop in Maumee, Ohio, that the Democrats don't support clean coal. "We're not supporting clean coal," he said. Even at the VP debate he said he supported it..

11. At a campaign stop in Nashua, N.H., on Sept. 10, Biden said Obama may have been better off had he picked Hillary Clinton to be his running mate. He said, "Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Let's get that straight." EVEN HE SAYS he isn’t qualified to be VP.

12. On the campaign train in Columbia, Mo., on Sept. 9, Biden asked State Sen. Chuck Graham to stand up for the crowd. Sen. Graham is in a wheelchair..Observation skills??? Where?

13. He said in a CNN/YouTube debate on July 23, 2007, that he was shot at seven times inside Iraq's Green Zone. Two weeks later, however, he amended his story, telling The Hill newspaper, "I was near where a shot landed."

14. When asked by CBS on Sept. 22 how he felt about an Obama campaign ad that made fun of John McCain's inability to use a computer, Biden replied that he thought it was "terrible." But then changes his “opinion” when he finds out it was from “his side”

15. In June 2006, at the outset of a run for the presidency, Biden joked on camera, "You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking." CAN WE SPELL R-A-C-I-S-T???

NOTE...they finally presented the question about being "One heartbeat away from the Presidency". This is something that I ALWAYS ask myself when I vote for a President. KEEP THIS IN MIND PEOPLE...

Posted by: txcc1234 | October 3, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Okay America, have you forgotten that Ms Palin is a beauty pageant winner?? Contesants are taught how to react in the form of entertainment - how to speak in front of audiences - how to act, etc. Of course she is an excellent choice for the Republicans- she already knows how to act -just drill her about a couple of key points and she will fool the public and walk away with the trophy. Great strategy Republicans!!

Posted by: MsOv | October 3, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I can hear her know speaking with a foreign leader:

"Now doggoneit Vladi (referring to President Putin). You just put them nukular weapons down and come have a beer and some freshly killed moose with joe-six-pack (Todd Palin) and me.

Howsabout it?

Posted by: kare1 | October 3, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Palin's performance was the result of coaching and scripting; not to be confused with experience or knowledge of the issues. She didn't answer the questions. I was an undecided, until last night. I found Palin's presence disturbing. The smirks while Biden was speaking, I found disrespectful. Is this how she will react to dignitaries in serious discussions? I found her "folksy charm" insincere and when she said she may not answer the questions the way the moderator or Biden wished - that instead she was going to speak to the people.... did she simply fail to understand that the people wanted her to answer the questions? Therefore, Biden was the clear winner - most knowledgeable and far more professional.

Posted by: bowecy | October 3, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Is Sarah Palin an idiot?

You betcha.......

Posted by: owiz | October 3, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

it’s hard to resist that folksy charm.


i don't want a "folksy" person running my country. i want someone who knows his stuff running my country. i don't want someone who knows less than i do running my country. nooklear? really? folksy? "no. and no."

Posted by: dealer1 | October 3, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Both Biden and Palin were so-so on the issues. How they were overall is a different question. Biden was stodgy and boring. Some agent of change... Palin was a star. The harder you try to deny it the more you prove that to me. The moment Palin stops to generate Democrat fury is the moment of doom for the Republicans.

Posted by: petersuares | October 3, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Didn't have any major issues with Palin before last night. Her VP acceptance speech was very poised but in the debate last night she really seemed to lack a lot of qualities that a national candidate needs to encompass.

Here's a Republican blog that really questions Palin's position on the ticket and suggests that she's hurting McCain.

Also includes the Katie Couric video about the newspapers Palin reads.


Posted by: macebruce | October 3, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Last night in Palin, I saw a Governor, who feels herself above the law. McCain, knowing that she is under investigation, tabbed her VP. He showed atrocious judgment, the thuggery aspect of his character and that he learned zip from the Keating affair. He has interfered with a State investigation and injected D.C. politics in order to influence its outcome. This is the guy, who is saying that he is the one to change Washington. Fool me twice. It occurs to me that, if elected, they would further politicize the justice system on the order of Alberto Gonzales. The laws are something that others should follow, not them. With McCain, folks with "boots on the ground" in Iraq should be given deference. In Alaska, though, he just ran over State officials who have "boots on the ground" and knowledge of their own affairs. The Senate must DO ITS DUTY, investigate McCain and censure him if warranted. We are seeing a bad precedence being set. It should not be allowed to stand.

Posted by: vmonroe_valnesio | October 3, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I thought Palin aquitted herself well in the debate but more than anything she reminds me of GWB.

His debating style was similar. Long on folksy. Short on details. Throw an aw shucks smile at the camera when you are caught without an answer.

That said GWB was able to convince America that he was 1) A moderate 2) a uniter and 3) ready to lead.

Lets hope we dont make THAT mistake again!

Palin: Ready to debate? yes Ready to lead? I dont think so!

Posted by: MarcMyWords | October 3, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"Oh good God,so I cannot stop laughing at
just how badly Gov Sarah Palin kicked old
phony never stops running his motor mouth
5 times Draft Dodger,Democrat Version of
Draft Dodger Cheney,empty suit liberal
Joe Biden Butt all over the place,and in
fact proved Biden is as big a joke as the
Sleazy Chicago Shake Down Artist Con Man
Messiah Bail Out Barry Barack Hussein Obama
that other peacenik Democrat Draft Dodger."


What draft did Obama dodge exactly?

Posted by: mattdevir | October 3, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Stop winking and answer the damn question.

Gosh, Biden was so respectful and courteous. Excellent approach.

Posted by: escape76 | October 3, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Ultimately, it doesn't matter what Sideshow Joe and Sideshow Sarah say or do. They are just providing entertainment to the rest of us. That is unless something were to happen to the main players. They both remind us how much we should pray for the health and safety of both Presidential candidates.

Posted by: beatnik12091 | October 3, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

If a job applicant winked at you while failing to answer your questions, would you hire her? No, you would not. Palin reduced the Vice Presidency to a flirtatious TV episode.

Posted by: DenverGal | October 3, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

re the "Real" John McCain...Maverick or asshat?:

"In congress, Rep. John McCain quickly positioned himself as a GOP hard-liner. He voted against honoring Martin Luther King Jr. with a national holiday in 1983 — a stance he held through 1989. He backed Reagan on tax cuts for the wealthy, abortion and support for the Nicaraguan contras. He sought to slash federal spending on social programs, and he voted twice against campaign-finance reform. He cites as his "biggest" legislative victory of that era a 1989 bill that abolished catastrophic health insurance for seniors, a move he still cheers as the first-ever repeal of a federal entitlement program.

McCain voted to confirm Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court. In 1993, he was the keynote speaker at a fundraiser for a group that sponsored an anti-gay-rights ballot initiative in Oregon. His anti-government fervor was renewed in the Gingrich revolution of 1994, when he called for abolishing the departments of Education and Energy. The following year, he championed a sweeping measure that would have imposed a blanket moratorium on any increase of government oversight.

In this context, McCain's recent record — opposing the new GI Bill, voting to repeal the federal minimum wage, seeking to deprive 3.8 million kids of government health care — looks entirely consistent. "When jackasses like Rush Limbaugh say he's not conservative, that's just total nonsense," says former Sen. Gary Hart, who still counts McCain as a friend.

...during another debate over servicemen missing in action, an elderly mother of an MIA soldier rolled up to McCain in her wheelchair to speak to him about her son's case. According to witnesses, McCain grew enraged, raising his hand as if to strike her before pushing her wheelchair away.

At least three of McCain's GOP colleagues have gone on record to say that they consider him temperamentally unsuited to be commander in chief. Smith, the former senator from New Hampshire, has said that McCain's "temper would place this country at risk in international affairs, and the world perhaps in danger. In my mind, it should disqualify him." Sen. Domenici of New Mexico has said he doesn't "want this guy anywhere near a trigger." And Sen. Thad Cochran of Mississippi weighed in that "the thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded."--this month's Rolling Stone

Posted by: Hold_that_tiger | October 3, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Palin was frighteningly incoherent. Imagine if Dems had nominated someone so unqualified. The big-money-owned media would have been all over this performance.

By the way, yotaxi1, a FOX News call-in poll is not to be compared with a scientific poll. The real polls showed that you can't fool all the people all the time.

The Palin fans are the ones you *can* fool all the time. It is surprising to me that more educated Republicans are not turning on her. Just read the transcript.

Posted by: scientist1 | October 3, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Even Palin's "Say it aint so, Joe. Doggone it" comment was rehearsed. That is why she set it all up at the beginning asking Biden if she could call him Joe. I don't recall her calling him Joe throughout the debate, but that one time.

My other observation is that Palin may just have her eye on McCain's ultimate ambition: to become the next President. She is popular. She draws in crowds. She is a self-proclaimed "maverick" and she must be thinking "You know, Todd and I can do this job." McCain needs to watch his back. See what Zuma did to Mbeki.

Posted by: ax49 | October 3, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

HelpMeHelpU...your analysis is right on the money. The Republican Party has been dividing Americans for a long time. This year they threw in Sarah Palin so that women would go salivating after her and vote for McCain. Yes she is cute and perky however women like to support smart women who have worked on important issues that help them and their families. Sorry drilling for oil isn't one of them. Next, if he really wanted a woman, there are so many more competent women to chose from like Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Sen. Olympia Snowe and this new Congresswoman from Minnesota who seems smart and she is good looking. McCain didn't do his vetting properly and if he wasn't able to find an adequate VP with all the time he had and knowing that this would be his first major decision than maybe John McCain isn't the kind of Maverick on the right issues. Right now he scares me plenty. He's no Maverick, he's a lose cannon.

Posted by: NancyFromWellington | October 4, 2008 4:43 AM | Report abuse

I’m tired of this king of BS. I could care lass what these candidates and their running mates are saying. They are politicians; they will say anything to get elected. Palin’s only problem is that she’s not as polished. The media treats the whole campaign like an episode of survivor. Every debate and appearance is a challenge with them deciding who won. It’s insane.

If you’re really interested in what Barack and McCain will do if elected don’t listen to what they say or what is listed on their websites look instead at their records. Look at their relationships to discover their core beliefs because these will be the true indicators of how they will perform as president. Everything else is simply a distraction.

Obama has surrounded himself with self confessed radicals, communist, criminals, and political insider most of his life. He has one of the most liberal voting records of any Senator. He has never reached across the isle and is about as partisan as you can get. His entire career has been about reaching higher and grabbing more power as fast as he can. As a politician he has been ruthless using surrogates to destroy political rivals. He nothing new to politics and in fact seems to embodies all the worst things about politics. Don’t vote for Obama and expect nirvana. You will be very disappointed. If he wins he will be a one term president.

McCain has a well deserved title as a maverick who has reached across the isle several times in his career. Many would point out that he has voted with Bush over 90% during the last couple of years. It is also good to point out that many Democrats have also voted with Bush at a higher percentage during the last couple of years. Since the Democrats took control of congress Bush has went to great lengths to work with them on several issues. Like McCain he has done this by abandoning his base and parting with the GOP. For this reason alone I don’t care much for McCain as it indicates a lack of conviction. He goes out of his way to avoid the appearance of being partisan. He doesn’t seem to understand that partisanship is the reason we have two parties. It’s so opposing views can be expressed and represented. McCain is a Republican and he needs to start acting like one. He should be representing Republican core beliefs and ideals. If he has a problem doing this he should run as an independent like his good buddy Lieberman. In fact many of his fellow Republicans should also do this as many of them no longer represent Republican beliefs either.

Posted by: Batgeek | October 4, 2008 6:55 AM | Report abuse

Lies from Biden during the debate.
1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

2. AHMADINEJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

6. ALTERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people’s health insurance coverage — they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska — she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it’s not a windfall profits tax.

9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation — he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”

14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won’t pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

Posted by: Batgeek | October 4, 2008 7:02 AM | Report abuse

Head of State

Tuesday, September 30, 2008
McCain and Couric Spar on Gotcha Journalism

COURIC: Over the weekend, Gov. Palin, you said the U.S. should absolutely launch cross-border attacks from Afghanistan into Pakistan to, quote, "stop the terrorists from coming any further in." Now, that's almost the exact position that Barack Obama has taken and that you, Sen. McCain, have criticized as something you do not say out loud. So, Gov. Palin, are you two on the same page on this?

MCCAIN: Now, just a minute, Katie. I have to step in here. That's another example of the media's "gotcha journalism"...

COURIC: But, it was a question from a citizen. How is a citizen asking a candidate a question an example of what you call "gotcha journalism?"

MCCAIN: Because it was hard, Katie.

We don't want Gov. Palin to be asked questions, unless she is prepared for them. When she is prepared, as she will be before the debate, she sounds intelligent, knowledgeable and feisty. But when she has not been prepared, she sounds lost and incoherent.

We can't have people asking her questions before she has had time to be prepared with an answer.

COURIC: But, Sen. McCain, I have to say, you are 72-years old. Actuarial preditions show that if you were to be elected, Gov. Palin would have a 1 in 5 chance of actually becoming President. These are perilous times--unprecedented crises in financial markets, tensions across a wide range of critical foreign policy arenas. Shouldn't we have a Vice President, and a potential President, who actually understands these issues, beyond the preparation necessary for a debate?

Here is her response to a question on the economy, a critical issue, you would agree, Sen. McCain:

COURIC: Why isn't it better, Governor Palin, to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families who are struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries; allow them to spend more and put more money into the economy instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?

PALIN: That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, were ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the—it's got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we've got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that.

COURIC: That answer, Sen. McCain, as noted by Fareed Zakaria, is incoherent.

MCCAIN: Yes. (nodding his head, smiling).

COURIC: Well, isn't it actually important that a potential President actually comprehend issues? That is, beyond debate preparation?

MCCAIN: No, Katie. That's what I mean by "gotcha journalism". It's obvious from these prior interviews that Palin has little to no comprehension of fiscal policy and economics. For heaven's sake, she received a "D" in macroeconomics in college! And, as I've said in the past, I have little understanding of economic issues myself.

No, what's important, Katie, is that she sound like she understands the issues. In the debate. If she is sufficiently prepared, she can give an illusion of understanding the issues--even if she is only giving answers with the prepared and practiced spontaneity and content necessary to give that illusion force.

Given that the bar is set at the lowest standard imaginable, Katie, if she accompanies that performance with sufficient charm, we believe that media will follow, into focusing on the change from that low standard, and on those superficial entertainment values--you know, Katie, (McCain smiles through tight lips and squinting eyes and moves his hands up and down)--"She certainly appears to be more confident tonight; she appears more poised, coherent, humorous"--rather than her readiness to be President from an objective standard. After all, using the more important standard of Presdidential capability, she has already demonstrated that she is unprepared to be President.

So, Katie, we want them to focus on that difference, on her debate preparation, rather than on her actual well-demonstrated Presidential unreadiness. And that's what I mean by "gotcha journalism."

KATIE: But if I understand you correctly, Sen. McCain, you actually believe that it's not important that she understand the issues actually facing the nation...

MCCAIN: Right.(nodding)

COURIC: On which many people's very jobs, health and life will rely at this critical time...


COURIC: And that all that really matters is creating a standard so low that she actually is rewarded for her widely seen and repeatedly demonstrated lack of knowledge and understanding. That we would be using what is essentially a remedial standard for Presidential capability--rather than one of actual capability.

Sen. McCain, you seem to be actually suggesting that we should decide that she is ready for the Presidency, simply because, after preparation, she has improved. Even though just days earlier, time after time, she was unable to give coherent answers on these subjects.

No one can gain Presidential-level understanding in days. And in the office of the Presidency, with its intense crises and unforseeable events, she will not be prepared for each unpredictable day, as she was for the debate.

Yet you expect media to focus on these values, rather than actual readiness to be President. That's what you mean by "gotcha journalism"?

MCCAIN: Exactly. And they will. Katie, I would say to the media: Once again--we "gotcha" to lower the bar. We "gotcha" to set expectations far below those actually required for a President. We "gotcha" to focus on characteristics unrelated to Presidential capability, and to ignore her statements on these issues made only days earlier--as if a few days of debate preparation can erase a glaring and dangerous actual lack of knowledge and preparedness. Yes, indeed--we "gotcha". (smiles).

COURIC: How can you expect the media to fall for that?

MCCAIN: It worked for Bush.

Head of State

Posted by: robthewsoncamb | October 4, 2008 7:15 AM | Report abuse


Its worse than even that: McCain's new tax plan which he does not discuss is to get new revenue by taxing your insurance benefits...

So if your employer provides insurance, you're gonna pay taxes on that $3k. It will only be a matter of fairness that anyone to whom he gives the $5k to pay insurance costs will ALSO pay income tax on that $5k. Its an average of $12k per year for healthcare insurance to the average family. You're $7k plus the tax on $5k in the hole before you even start.

McCain is just one step away from if you get $30k worth of hospitalization, you're gonna pay taxes on that $'ll be in the poor house with the next sneeze.

He already has demanded that low income people pay tax on every dime they get, while the wealthy and corporations with tax lawyers pay a pittance.

McCain does not live in a world where taxes on $3k or $30k could put a family out on the street cause they could not afford home or food. He does not see or hear that kind of pain.

He just doesn't get it.

Posted by: dutchess2 | October 4, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Palin's folksey demeanor...

Its all a lie....

With a tip of the hat to Rachel Maddow of MSNBC....

Joe Biden's history is well known, how one Christmas his wife and three children were in an automobile accident, his wife and daughter killed outright, two small sons hospitalized... from that moment until today, Biden takes a train to DC from home
to be there for his children, and, when he remarried, for his family.

Biden has never forgotten his time as a single parent, and the worry about injured children. He emphathizes with single parents from his own experience.

In the debate when he mentioned this, he nearly broke down with the emotion of it...Palin did not even acknowledge it, not even with a moment of silence... her script called for a Talking Point and she did not have the intellect OR THE HUMANITY to spend 3 seconds acknowledging it.

The whole folksey charade, designed to make her seem down to earth and caring, is just another McCain lie.

Posted by: dutchess2 | October 4, 2008 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Sure Palin’s folksy demeanor is an act, so is Biden’s performance, so is McCain’s, and so is Obama’s. The campaign is nothing but one big show. Anyone that believes differently is very naive. In the end all of them will continue to be who they are. They will continue on supporting the same policies they have always supported when they weren’t trying to get elected. Palin will continue to improve in interviews and debates as she polishes her skills at being a politician (not really a good thing). She is a reformer and has a record to prove that, but running a state and running a country is not the same thing. She knows what is good for her state, but does she know what is good for the country? She has the potential to be great someday. If McCain is elected and doesn’t die in the first couple of years she could easily acquire the experience she needs. Biden will continue to be a loud mouth lying sack of crap, in other words a typical politician. McCain will continue to be a wild card with no allegiances to any party. Yes, he will reach across party lines, but no one will like him. Obama will continue to be a former drug using radical socialist with intentions of establishing his own form of communism here in the USA under the guise of social justice. This is who these people are; it’s who they have always been, and who they always will be.

I personally don’t believe any of them are ready or even right for the White House, but then again when was the last time we truly had a candidate that was? I knew we were screwed again as soon as this election season started. Not one of the candidates was anything special.

Posted by: Batgeek | October 4, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Let's remember that our main concern is to elect a president. Do you think John McCain would drop dead in office? I don't. He's tough! But his temper will get us in a lot of trouble, and frankly, the stress of the presidency would be just awful for him. Palin is an amusing side show. For people who were not appalled at what we saw in the debate, please, pay attention. If you like the overly made up Barbie type, this is very distracting to guys. All the winking, refusing to answer questions, reading off notes, and so on, was disturbing to me. Even so, it's McCain's unstability that concerns me. This is not the same guy who ran last time. It looks to me that he never dealt with post traumatic stress. He married an addict - it's a classic dysfunctional marriage. Nobody talks about Cinday McCain, but I think about how embarassing it would be to have an addict as First Lady. People should get over their racism -
Obama is a good man and has the qualities we need in a leader. It doesn't hurt that the world prefers him, though he is the best choice for us, too. Palin has been highly amusing, but that's about it.

Posted by: banjovi | October 4, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I truly believed that Palin had an ear piece during the debate as Bush did during his. If you rewatch the tapes you'll see she stares straight, doesn't move, stops to think about the next word like she didn't hear it right, etc.... and her performance was too far off all of those from previous weeks. We all know she memorized speeches and spewed them out even when they had no relevance to the questions ..why was she allowed to do that? Point is, how can we be certain that she will is not wired or have any devices of use to her up there on the podium next time?

This is what I believe she likely had, just as Bush had:

How can we be sure candidates are being screened properly?

Posted by: melauriec | October 4, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Melauriec that was later proved just to be a bullet proof vest. Having worn one myself it’s pretty obvious that’s what it is. Not that it really matters as these debates are just for show.

Banjovi Obama is the king of the teleprompter. McCain constantly shuffles note cards through his crippled fingers. Palin along with notes has a good memory having been a journalist at one time. Biden, well Biden simply babbles out any thought that comes into his head mixed with some well practiced lies.

Palin’s biggest hurdle is she’s playing against professional politicians. In the game of political chess she’s in way over her head. She doesn’t have the experience the others do in spinning, double speak, and BS so she has to rely on note cards and catch phrases. Of course none of this will have anything to do with how they will perform in office.

Obama is an exceptional campaigner the others do not come even close to his level. Unfortunately when it comes to actually doing the job he campaigns for he has been poor at best. He has never done anything that stands out. He is the P. T. Barnum of politics. He puts on a good show, but behind the smoke and mirrors there’s only a man and that man we don’t know much about and the little that we do know about the real Barrack is alarming.

Posted by: Batgeek | October 4, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Palin's debating skills of TRICK AND SKIP ANSWERS did nothing to garner increased support for McCain; and in many cases, only further cemented our choice for Obama. Her BS theatrics of 'folksy and cute' [which has carried her through life to this point], along with her ability to MEMORIZE McCAIN TALKING POINTS with the ABILITY TO REGURGITATE THEM left most of our electorate NO DOUBT that she is completely devoid of original thought, wisdom, intellect, or knowledge. She is still the identical person the public saw several days ago being interviewed by the press where she PROVED her IGNORANCE, INCOMPETENCE AND TOTAL LACK OF CURIOSITY AND QUALIFICATION for VP, and most especially POTUS. She would absolutely put our country in ever-more increasingly perilous positions on all fronts, i.e. economy, wars, environmental policy, global reputation, etc.

I can only pray that our electorate is smart enough to see through the "charade and facade" of Palin. We have had enough "FAKES, FRAUDS, AND OPPORTUNISTS" lead our country to the brink of disaster!

I say, "thanks, but no thanks for this bridge to another 'slick dick' [Cheney] VP".

Posted by: ObamasLady | October 4, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

It would appear that gaypastor and other McCain/Palin supporters don't pay much attention to book news. It's no secret that Gwen Ifill is working on a book about race in politics in the time of Obama, and she has never lied about that fact. The book has been highlighted as "upcoming" on both the website and the publisher's website for some time now. But then, Sarah Palin doesn't even remember the newspapers she reads, so this lack of awareness shouldn't come as a surprise.

Posted by: cupton1 | October 4, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama to give away our tax money--Larry Leff

By: Larry Leff October 01, 2008

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For those of you who are not familiar with The Global Poverty Act, of which Barack Obama is the lead sponsor, it is a tax on Americans which will total $845 billion (this is 0.7 percent of the Gross National Product). I doubt you will ever hear this discussed in any debates.
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, our current population is 305,154,108 with 111,162, 259 U.S. households. If G.P.A. is enacted, our cost will be $2,800 per person or $7,800 per household.
Here is a condensed explanation of the G.P.A. (along with some of the Millennium Development Goals. The entire provisions are accessible online by typing in Global Poverty Act 2007 into the Google search engine.):
G.P.A. directs the president to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the U.S. foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the United Nations Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people who live on less than $1 per day.
G.P.A. is required to incorporate specific and measurable goals and to consist of specified components, including: 1) continued investment or involvement in existing U.S. initiatives related to international poverty reduction and trade preference programs for developing countries; 2) improving the effectiveness of development assistance and making available additional overall United States assistance levels as appropriate; 3) enhancing and expanding debt relief as appropriate; 4) mobilizing and leveraging the participation of businesses and public-private partnerships; 5) coordinating the goal of poverty reduction with other internationally recognized Millennium Development Goals; and 6) integrating principles of sustainable development (this has a direct tie to the U.N. Agenda 21) and entrepreneurship into policies and programs.
Listed here are some of the Millennium Development Goals for you to ponder: 1) a "standing peace force," (a U.N. standing army-I wonder where the vast majority of soldiers will come from?); 2) A U.N. arms register of all small arms and light weapons (NRA members will love this one); 3) peace education (covering all levels from pre-school to university level); and 4) political control of the global economy. The goals also require implementation of all U.N. treaties that the United States has never ratified. These sound like more Big Brothers taking over at a global level-just a thought.
I do not believe it is the responsibility of American taxpayers to reduce world poverty. We have more than our share of poor and underprivileged in our own country that we cannot get out of poverty, how can we do it worldwide? None of this $845 billion is dedicated to the poor in the United States. America already gives enormous amounts of aid to impoverished countries whose leaders (dictators) probably never distribute the aid. Who do you think will disperse this money? Obama is about taxes, socialism and giving away our sovereignty. Obama is not a good choice for America.
Larry Leff

Posted by: DrRevere | October 4, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

How many of you know that the moderator was not allowed to ask follow up questions if the debater didn't answer the question. NOT ALLOWED (Can I talk about Afghanistan?) This was an open ended debate. (That's not a debate) The bar was set so low that nobody dared to even correct her when she misnamed the commander in Afghanistan even though both Biden and Iffle knew. This was a scripted 90 minutes designed to help Palin dig her way out of a hole. "I may not answer the questions the way that either the moderator or you want to hear but I am going to talk straight to American." Yeah, right!

Posted by: washingtonstate2008 | October 4, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Liberal bias in this article???

YOU BETCHA!!! wink wink

Good job Palin.

Posted by: blevins20061 | October 4, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

McCain says he's going to get tougher on Obama? Swing a little harder? In the first debate McCain fumed, his lips tightened until blood flow stopped, he squinted while he cocked his head and his facial expression went blank and mouth drooped open (obviously pressure inside his head was building to a volcanic level), and smoke shot out of his ears. Is fire going to shoot out of his eyeballs Tuesday? Will he announce he's going back to his cell in Hanoi until election day to get out of the way of the top of his ticket (SARAH!) in her quest for power and the Presidency?

Posted by: tigman_2 | October 5, 2008 6:34 AM | Report abuse

Please, oh, PLEASE, John, don't take this nitwit away from the VEEP position before election day. We thank you for your absolutely stupid choice and giving Senator Obama the White House. Such blunders are rare but man, you really did it royally this time. Just forget that Elizabeth Dole and Olympia Snowe are in your party, OK?

Posted by: cy31b | October 5, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Sarah did great in the debate! She was very eloquent, exceptional, principled, and inspirational! Regardless of her demanding public office, she is instinctively nurturing to her family and to our country. She is grounded in her faith and values, patriotic, visionary, and yet very down-to-earth. She's a very pleasant sight as well. What a bonus! Hooray for Sarah Palin! I can't wait to have the beauty and the brains take care of America as a mother would care for her children. If she can make things happen in the state she governs, surely she can do it for the remaining states. I think with her by McCain's side, they can really shake up Washington, do away or minimize graft and corruption, generate jobs, improve health care and education, ease on tax, impose sanctions on leaders of countries who don't like us before having presidential summit meetings and make the necessary reformation as they intend. The downside is they would inherit Bush's administration and that itself would take a lot of work to erase in the minds of people. Let's pray that McCain and Palin win and that they be guided by our Sovereign God's Holy Spirit as they lead our country in pursuit of a better America. We should support them in this mission.

Posted by: unik | October 5, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

obama is politics as usual,
we have enough do nothing
democrats in Wsshington,
vote for real Change,

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

barackobama is most divisive candidate
of my generation,
class warfare, extreme partisanship,
saying whatever he has to say,
just to get votes,
no morals or ethics, whatsoever;
He has absolutely no plan,
beyond getting elected.
It is childs play turning
obama voters,
he stands for nothing'

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Palin gets my vote for saying so much, so fast without saying anything at all. After all her yammering, we still don't know Palin/McCain’s strategies for:
1) an economy around;
2) creating/bring good paying jobs back to American soil;
3) helping Americans obtain affordable healthcare;
4) stop millions of pending mortgage foreclosures, thereby saving our financial intuitions from collapse;
5) regulating banking/financial industries to protect our retirement/investments;
6) ending the Iraq war;
7) ending Iran's and North Korea's nuclear ambitions;
8) dealing with the growing crises in Afghanistan and Pakistan;
9) an energy independent America

The only thing Palin told us was she is a hockey mom/joe six-pac/maverick/governor/former mayor/energy expert/Washington outsider who deserves to be elected because she is a hockey mom/joe six-pac/maverick/governor/former mayor/energy expert/Washington outsider.

Posted by: jandcgall1 | October 5, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

What is he hiding

Posted by: Swing-Voter | October 6, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

as he goes for the mud
should remember the Keating 5
{which almost cost him his career}
McCain has more to hide
than most

Including his gambling encounters.
Indian gambling is not that popular.

Mistakes we all have
John still has Phil Graham
the savings and loan scandals.

Posted by: whmjr | October 6, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

News (January 20, 2009):

The United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon recognized today "Palinese" as one of the official languages in the world, and accordingly, whenever US Vice President (or future President) Ms. Sarah Palin might address the UN General Assembly in her native language, an instant translation of her speech will be available in English as well as other languages for the assembly members.

Here, as a sample, is Ms. Palin's answer in Palinese last Thursday during the vice presidential debate to Gwen Ifill's question about the role in government of US vice president's office:


"Well, our founding fathers were very wise there in allowing through the Constitution much flexibility there in the office of the vice president. And we will do what is best for the American people in tapping into that position and ushering in an agenda that is supportive and cooperative with the president's agenda in that position. Yeah, so I do agree with him that we have a lot of flexibility in there, and we'll do what we have to do to administer very appropriately the plans that are needed for this nation. And it is my executive experience that is partly to be attributed to my pick as V.P. with McCain, not only as a governor, but earlier on as a mayor, as an oil and gas regulator, as a business owner. It is those years of experience on an executive level that will be put to good use in the White House also."


The above web site contains very entertaining computer-software-generated endless fictional Palin quotes. However, it seems that the above quote beats most of those quotes.

Posted by: AMemberofHumanSociety | October 6, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Yawn.......Wish she'd wink her way back to Alaska...her ignorance is boring me.

Posted by: puredemo | October 6, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

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