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Obama Attacks Docs and Cops

President Obama spent most of his press conference tonight denying what President Kennedy famously affirmed -- that to govern is to choose. Obama promised us health care this is at once better and cheaper, with both more regulation and more freedom to choose, featuring an assurance that government won’t limit our care and a commitment to a government panel that will save money by restricting care.

The juvenile happy talk reached its peak with this presidential statement: “If there's a blue pill and a red pill, and the blue pill is half the price of the red pill and works just as well, why not pay half price for the thing that's going to make you well?” Now, there’s good idea. Why hasn’t anyone else thought of that? For this reform, we need to spend $1 trillion?

So on health care, I’d be surprised if the president changed any minds, because he never seriously tried to address criticism of his proposal on the merits.

But at press conferences there are often throwaway lines and unscripted moments that are interesting. I was struck by two that seemed to exemplify Obama’s easy disdain for the less enlightened among us -- in this case, for family docs and for Cambridge cops.

First, Obama offered this example of how doctors make decisions under the current system instead of doing what’s in their patients’ best interests:

Right now, doctors a lot of times are forced to make decisions based on the fee payment schedule that's out there. So if they're looking and you come in and you've got a bad sore throat or your child has a bad sore throat or has repeated sore throats, the doctor may look at the reimbursement system and say to himself, "You know what? I make a lot more money if I take this kid's tonsils out."

Does Obama really think pediatricians knowingly order unnecessary tonsillectomies in order to “make a lot more money?” Isn’t this a rather casual slander of a lot of doctors? And in any case, is this what’s driving up health-care costs? It’s probably as likely health-care costs are high because hospitals have too many vice presidents for government relations making $300,000 a year. But I wouldn’t think it appropriate for the president to single them out for attack either.


Second, Obama answered a question about his friend Henry Louis Gates’s run-in with the Cambridge cops, after acknowledging “not having been there and not seeing all the facts,” by nonetheless asserting that “the Cambridge police acted stupidly.” Does he really know enough about what happened to say that? Maybe it was Professor Gates who behaved stupidly, or at least arrogantly. He is, after all, a Harvard professor. I was once a Harvard professor, and my instinct is to side with the Cambridge cops. But if I were president of the United States, I might pause before casually accusing other Americans of acting stupidly unless I were confident I knew what I was talking about.

By William Kristol  | July 22, 2009; 10:36 PM ET
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First Wm Kristol encouraged the illegal invasion of Iraq which resulted in many deaths of Iraqis, the wreck of the country of Iraq. Many Americans were killed and injured for that invasion that Mr Kristol promoted. Now he is working to deprive Americans of the health care they need and deserve. What is it about hurting and killing that Mr. Kristol finds so attractive.

What a ghoul and a bad writer too.

Posted by: mtw0310 | July 22, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

"if I were president of the United States, I might pause before casually accusing other Americans of acting stupidly unless I were confident I knew what I was talking about."

The president is a constitutional law scholar. Think about it.

Posted by: Digger2 | July 22, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Neocons like kristol are behind the continuing ills of the health-care system .

Posted by: editor4tonio | July 22, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Good for Bill showing Nobama is the president with no clothes. I am surprised the Post allows anyone to say bad about the junior king.

Posted by: scudderj | July 22, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

I voted for President Obama, but was stunned at his response regarding Professor Gates and Sgt. Crowley. For a president to take sides in a local matter without having all the facts is naive at best and possibly revealing the president's personal bias. I was very disappointed in our president on this one.

Posted by: Stonefly | July 22, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Kristol uses the usual tactic of trying to provoke outrage at the treatment of some party to the issue.

Health care coverage is an issue that Republicans only address when forced by the Democrats. They have zero credibility on the issue.

I applaud President Obanma for his efforts on behalf of non-wealthy Americans. It's time to restore fairness in the economy.

Posted by: Snedly1 | July 22, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama radicalism showed when he berated the police of Cambridge. The fact that Gates is a friend of his should have moved him to keep hands off the case, at least until he had all the facts.

Posted by: mhr614 | July 22, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong, Bill? Didn't like getting called out as a political hack who cares more about 'winning' rather than actually helping this country? Extraordinary what the Post has become...a haven for ideologues who plunged us into Iraq and now the locus for opposition to reforming health care. Please, stop passing that you know anything about health care. You know as much as you knew about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Posted by: Muley63 | July 22, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Why don't all the members of Congress who are against a public option in health care refuse their government health care for one of those great private plans?

Posted by: orange3 | July 22, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

As usual, Kristol finds the glass far more than half empty! When will Republicans work to solve problems instead of pushing politics above problem solving?

The Titanic is sinking and they want to condemn the captain for using a chart they don' like. No reasons given. No response to the emergency situation. Reactive criticism geared to drive public opinion against reform, not to address the actual problem. Pure political maneuvering.

No wonder the Republican party is on a disastrous decline.

Posted by: ccforbes | July 22, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

mtw0310: Yes because before the American invasion, it was the Golden Age in Iraq. Do you realize how many people were being killed, tortured, deprived of medicine and civil liberties daily in Iraq under Sadaam Hussien (not mention the 2 wars he started)?

Maybe Mr. Kristol believes in checks and balances that this nation was founded on. Maybe he is worried since Socialized medicine has been a problem in just about every country that has implemented it. It has bankrupted these nations and decreased the quality of care. For you to question Mr. Kristol is to say that you are ok with your taxes being raised (significantly) and losing plenty of quality and control in your care.

Mr. Kristol is completely in the right to take President Obama to task for his cheap shot at doctors. So the President would rather have a government group decide if you need a medical procedure instead of the actual doctor who you know went to medical school.

Posted by: Steveo11 | July 22, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

I prefer Obama's approach: speaking the plain truth that *some* docs and cops don't always do the right thing, rather than the more conventional "cops and docs are unquestionable gods who can do no wrong."

And I love how all the police apologists are saying "we should wait until we know the facts" in the Gates case. The police report is now a matter of public record, giving the police's side of it. Gates himself has been interviewed multiple times. The Cambridge prosecutor has dropped the charges. What additional facts are we waiting for? The cop acted like a power-tripping bully and -- unlike 99.999% of such cases -- actually got caught doing it.

Mouthing off to a cop may be rude, and even imprudent given that the cops can (and do) trump up bogus charges with impunity, but it is not a crime in America.

Posted by: DupontJay | July 22, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

May Obozzo meet his Waterloo not only on this health care debacle but also on his cap and tax scheme as well. Bamby seemingly has one goal during his presidency and that is to bankrupt the nation.

Posted by: fenoy | July 22, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Bill is the stupidiest media person I ever known. Why is he getting paid for just making stupid comments?

Posted by: Sybil2000 | July 22, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

At least Democrats are not killing Docs and Cops. Think about it

Posted by: Sybil2000 | July 22, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol, you know that Michelle was Vice President for Community and External Affairs, not "Government Relations." And she only made $273,000. Typical rightwing lies.

Fight the smears.

Posted by: RezkoLot | July 22, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

what color pill is Kristol taking? Oxycotinin, or LSD? all rhetoric all the time Kristol, Gerson, Krauthammer the axis of idiocy and the nexis of corruption.

Posted by: jpenergy | July 22, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

"I was struck by two that seemed to exemplify Obama’s easy disdain for the less enlightened..."

And I was hoping that Obama's disdain was for Kristol.

Posted by: edlharris | July 22, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

"So on health care, I’d be surprised if the president changed any minds, because he never seriously tried to address criticism of his proposal on the merits."

What...when did Kristol or any of the Neo numbs have even a vague idea of serious criticism beyond (Just because we say so) and the other witless ossified ideas that they have not really explained? Kristol's last blather on health care was called, "Kill it and start over" no doubt his parents first thought...as well.

Posted by: jpenergy | July 22, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it amazing what Fred Hiatt will print these days?

Why isn't Kristol, this liar who helped sucker us into the Iraq war, down begging forgiveness from the Iraq war wounded at the nearest VA hospital instead of getting a paycheck from the Post for spreading yet more lies?

Every day, the Post gets more and more like the Washington Times. Pathetic.

Posted by: losthorizon10 | July 22, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

I work in the healthcare industry and know a lot of doctors. They work hard for their money. I have know very, very, very few who placed money above what is best for the patient. I judge them morally to be above most of society. Many are truely saints. I personally do not know of a pediatrician who would risk a surgery just for dollars. If Mr. Obama knows someone like this, report him to the A.M.A quickly. Otherwise keep your slander to yourself!

Posted by: georgeerrn | July 23, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

As much as I hate less than intellectual comments, I must ask, "Are you paid to make insightful comments or just be a butt head?"

Posted by: lswonder | July 23, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Tort reform, tort reform, if your serious about reducing the cost of healthcare. How about cutting the 33% cost of the settlement to the uninjured lawyer!!! Now isn't that ridiculous. The nerve of me even suggesting that. Lawyer deserve every penny they get, after all aren't most of our politicians lawyers. Heck, even the President is a lawyer (should I captalize lawyer)?

Posted by: georgeerrn | July 23, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm a white doctor and Harvard graduate. I feel more qualified than Mr. Kristol to comment on these matters. Obama is a politician and as such, he sometimes disappoints his supporters. He is an intelligent man; he understands that we can't keep our bad healthcare system. It is bankrupting too many people, it is hurting American businesses and it encourages sending jobs overseas.

The average American can’t afford healthcare and can’t afford insurance premiums. Real wages, adjusted for inflation, have steadily fallen since 1970, while the cost of healthcare has increased. Healthcare cost is inflated by overtreatment (which also causes death and injury); even without overtreatment, real healthcare costs have increased everywhere, but more so in the US. If wages can’t cover the cost of healthcare, then we must spread the costs over the general public by taxes, raise wages or deceive the public. Competition can’t solve this problem and profit seeking has aggravated it.

I'm with Obama on the Gates case. I have quite a few black neighbors. If one of them is struggling with his front door, I'll go over and try to help him out rather than calling the police.

Posted by: bobsnodgrass | July 23, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

On the issue of Dr. Gates, President Obama prefaced his comments by stating that he had a personal bias as a friend of Dr. Gates. Obama related the facts as he knew them from Dr. Gates--I don't see a problem with his comments. There are two sides to this story and he understanably sided with the professor who was arrested for disorderly conduct after being identified as the resident of his home.

Posted by: kbphd08 | July 23, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Digger2 wrote:

"if I were president of the United States, I might pause before casually accusing other Americans of acting stupidly unless I were confident I knew what I was talking about."

The president is a constitutional law scholar. Think about it.

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Yes, and constitutional law is about theory, precedents, and appellate decisions, not typically about determining the facts of a specific case. Obama wasn't there, and Gates' version of the events and the police version of events differ considerably. What is clear from both accounts is that Gates followed an officer outside, continuing to shout at him, after the officer was satisfied that the house belonged to Gates, and this is what earned Gates an arrest for disorderly conduct. Had Gates simply backed off and stayed in his house after the cops were satisfied that he wasn't a burglar, he probably would not have been arrested. Gates may have been angry, but it was a neighbor who called the police to report a break-in, and the police would have been derelict in their jobs not to check out the situation. Gates had no business following police back outside and shouting at them.

And since Obama wasn't there to see Gates' behavior and to see how the police handled the situation, he simply ought to defer to the local courts, DA, and police to handle any investigations and lawsuits stemming from the event. Wading into the dispute is unpresidential.

Posted by: blert | July 23, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Why is it when a white cop makes a questionable arrest of an African American, it is automaticcaly racial profiling? Cops make questionable arrests of white people all the time. Before Gates and the President played the race card, you would think they might have at least had someone look into Sergeant Crowley's background. Does he have a disporportionate number of arrests of African Americans? Sounds to me Gates flunked the attitude test and that was why he was arrested. Doesn't make the arrest right, but doesn't mean he was arrested because he is black, either. Maybe he shouldn't have been arrested, I don't know enough about it to have an opinion one way or the other, but before this Harvard professor and our President started calling Crowley a racist, they might look into his background.

Posted by: skraemer1 | July 23, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol....
You pointed out that Pres. Obama didn't know the facts, yet accused the police of acting stupidly. Then you, sir, who don't know the facts either, turn around and say your "instincts" tell you to side with the police. Um...let's see. President Obama can't offer an opinion without knowing all the facts, but you can based on your experience of once being, like Prof. Gates, a Harvard professor living in Cambridge. But, sir, unlike Prof. Gates and President Obama, (who by the way also once lived in Cambridge) you've never been black in Cambridge or anywhere else in America. You haven't the foggiest notion what it's like to be profiled or feel like you're being profiled.
As for the rest of it, what you referred to as "juvenile happy talk", I'll take the President's intellect over yours any day. I've been following your drivel for years, and I've yet to hear you say or write one clever thing. And the perpetual smirk on your face makes me think even you don't believe what you're saying either.

Posted by: rahrahrah | July 23, 2009 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Why is WaPo wasting opinion page space on this wacko? Kick out this lunatic political hack and bring a genuine conservative who at least attempts to make sense.

Posted by: Jainr | July 23, 2009 12:24 AM | Report abuse

First, Kristol is actually completely wrong about doctors. They do, in fact, respond significantly to price incentives, and this has been established on a number of occasions. For instance, Hadley et al. 2001 found that a 10% increase in physician compensation for breast-conserving surgery led to a 7-10% increase in breast-conserving surgeries performed. It might be uncomfortable to say, but the evidence is simply overwhelming that this is how medicine works in America.

Posted by: davestickler | July 23, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

More fundamentally, there's really no reason why the WaPo needs to print this nonsense. Kristol contributes nothing to the intellectual debate.

Posted by: davestickler | July 23, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse

I hope Obama's speech writer gets a lot of flack for trying to smear pediatricians. In order to correct the record permit me to state the following:
1st: pediatricians do not order or perform surgery; they recommend to the parents surgery together with other medical alternatives to surgery such as antibiotics. This process is called informed consent.
2nd: it is the child's family that chooses the exact form of treatment their child receives, on the basis of what they perceive is best for their child. God forbid that the American people permit Obama to come between parents and their children.

Posted by: iamafg | July 23, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

"You know what? I make a lot more money if I take this kid's tonsils out."

If a someone gifted enough to get through medical school wants to make money by cheating people there is only one way to do it- go to law school and you have the license to take what you want with no explanations, expectations and with very little effort! You might even grow up to be a judge, congressman, czar whatever!

Posted by: SavemeFGS | July 23, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

The Republican Party got away with murder when they killed healthcare reform back in 1993. Back then the costs were a lot lower than they were today. I think you guys are seeing the trees and thinking its a forest. The healthcare growth curve has gone from less than 1% of GDP 16 yrs ago to over 20% today. Killing this bill will be the anchor around the neck of the Republicans that will sink them into a permanent minority. Obama knows his odds and he likes them. If this bill fails, the Republican Party and the insurance companies they are protecting will bear the brunt of the fall out.

Posted by: ATLGuy | July 23, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Hey Kristol:

If you didn't come here to praise Obama, the rule is you're a wacko, dummy, racist or the like.

Post readers just cover their eyes and ears when people like you show up. They don't care if what you say --happens to be true.

Posted by: chazz60 | July 23, 2009 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Kristol is a self serving idiot who is earning a living due to Rup0ert Murdoch.
His opinions are so predicatable as to be not taken seriously. He's jealous that Obama has accomplished much more than he has.....
Kristol is an intellectual pygmy...His brain stopped growing at a very young age.

Posted by: asl3676 | July 23, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Note to Kristol, behaving arrogantly is not a crime. Acting arrogantly in one's own home is even less of a crime. Its funny how conservatives are all about individual liberty and personal freedoms (i.e. against unwarranted arrest in one's home) but in this case, "acting arrogantly" is cause for an arrest. Jim Crow and slavery are over. A black man has the right to be arrogant, if he so chooses, and if that is even what happened in this case.

Posted by: comeonpeople | July 23, 2009 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Aww, Obama is mean to cops and family docs and apple pie and teddy bears.

American politicians know it's electoral hari-kari to criticise the cops. No-one can accuse Obama of poll-chasing with this response, that's for sure. It won't play in Peoria and he knows it.

It's just a fact, as Obama said, that cops stop blacks and Hispanics more. But it's a fact to which a large part of the US public is allergic. And the far right will be frothing like piranhas over it for days and days.

As for "family docs", the US spends nearly twice as much as other developed countries for identical health outcomes in large part to fund doctors' lavish lifestyles.

The French have excellent healthcare and a significantly higher life expectancy than Americans. American doctors are no more qualified than French doctors, yet they expect at least four times the salary of French doctors. Many live like princes.

Polled individually, most US doctors believe the system needs reform to cover everyone (and stop the rip-offs over preexisting conditions etc). But the AMA is paying almost as much as the insurance industry is to lobbyists working to kill health reform.

Do US "family docs" need more sympathy? I'd say they extract more than adequate recognition for their services in cold, hard cash. America owes its doctors nothing.

Posted by: kevrobb | July 23, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse

'Does Obama really think pediatricians knowingly order unnecessary tonsillectomies in order to “make a lot more money?” Isn’t this a rather casual slander of a lot of doctors?'

Isn't Kristol's entire philosophy based on the principle that the profit motive is the only truly effective driver of human action?
Don't conservatives profess to believe that systems which rely on humans showing altruism or selflessness are utopian fantasies, doomed to fail?

Yes, Kristol's entire philosophy is based on that principle, except when it doesn't suit the point he's trying to make.
Or the industry he's shilling for.

Posted by: kevrobb | July 23, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Actually, Mr. Kristol, I believe there have been studies that show some physicians perform far more tonsillectomies that others. Please read the article in the New Yorker by Atul Gawande about the high cost of care in McAllen, Texas.

Regarding the Cambridge incident, I'm at loss to understand how a man can be arrested in his own house simply for mouthing off the to police. Although I'm white, I have lived in Cambridge and can easily imagine that it's still a racist police force.

This piece caused me to lose much respect for you. It did not look squarely at the facts as I expect you would.

Posted by: BEMiller | July 23, 2009 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol is amazing. Wrong not just a few times, but EVERY time. Three cheers for invading Iraq! No to health care reform! How does the guy maintain any credibility? Why does the NY Times and the Post continue to publish someone who is wrong ALL the time? Who thinks Sarah Palin would be a competent president? Can you imagine Sarah discussing what Obama was discussing Wednesday evening? C'mon. The fact is, guys such as Kristol get nervous every time the middle class shows some signs of getting a break.

Posted by: chuckbarb23 | July 23, 2009 12:57 AM | Report abuse

"(Doctors) do, in fact, respond significantly to price incentives, and this has been established on a number of occasions. For instance, Hadley et al. 2001 found that a 10% increase in physician compensation for breast-conserving surgery led to a 7-10% increase in breast-conserving surgeries performed. It might be uncomfortable to say, but the evidence is simply overwhelming that this is how medicine works in America."

I see davestickler already demolished Kristol's argument on that point.

Posted by: kevrobb | July 23, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Kristol can't stand the fact that Obama may succeed and then Palin will have no chance at even getting on the GOP ticket in 2012. I really don't understand why the Post chooses to publish this guy. I don't agree with some other opinion writers on the Post, but at least I respect their intelligence.

Posted by: paris1969 | July 23, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Kristol and AIPAC attack country that didn't attack us! Hundreds of thousands die.

Get lost jerk!

Posted by: DaveMiner | July 23, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse

I was very surprised by the President's comments on the Gates case. It would seem to be far too early to know if Dr. Gates' depiction of the incident is accurate or not, and for the President of the U.S. to remark upon a local case, and use it as a "teachable moment" on lingering racism, seems inappropriate: for now. If Dr. Gates' allegations are confirmed, the incident is despicable. But as a federal employee (Foreign Service) who has been involved in a case where racim was alleged--utterly inaccurately--I am very wary of any rush to judgement before the facts come out. In the case I was involved in, Jesse Jackson intervened and forced a humiliating retreat by the State Department by politicizing a case that had nothing to do with race and everything to do with the law.

Posted by: gadstian | July 23, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Kristol, you and I both have good insurance, and when I go to the doctor, I get every test there is. It's like billable hours for lawyers.

But what I want is not treatment, not tests, but healing. Just make me well. (What if we paid a bonus for treatments that worked!)

Meanwhile, my unemployed daughter pays more for her Lyme disease medicines than I would. This makes no sense.

Finally, you have no standing to judge what it's like in America if you;re non-white man in a good neighborhood. Something like this would never happen to you -- never has, never will. Those of us who may be dark or short or old or dumpy or female are not treated like you, no matter their accomplishments.

Posted by: mm148896 | July 23, 2009 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Gee Kristol you understood the President tonight? The way Bill O'Lielly was ranting you'd think Pres. Obama was speaking Palinese or using Bushisms. I guess it is going to take a little longer to get used to the English language again.

Posted by: OleLadySquawking | July 23, 2009 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Bill. How many times do you have to be wrong about everything you write about before people will stop giving you jobs? The WaPo seem hell bent on scraping the bottom of the barrel for talent.

Posted by: cfeher | July 23, 2009 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol is laughable. He left New York times and is now spewing hatred and nonsense at Washingtonpost. You and your republican friends killed the economy of this country by your war in Iraq and Bush tax cuts for the richest Americans. You now want to kill healthcare reform because it may benefit the poor. As for Prof Gates' incident with the Cambridge police, I wish Mr Kristol can live in a black man's skin for 24 hours and then tell us his experience.

Posted by: oraukwu | July 23, 2009 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Most every Democrat(ic) politician looks at the "problem" that women can unintentionally get pregnant and see an opportunity to tax the heck out of America (and transfer wealth to the baby butchers, the butchers can make smaller, but really substantial campaign contributions.)
Is that like Obama's view of doctors and hospitals?
I bet mine is statistically far more accurate, than Obama's example.

Posted by: jsbrodhead | July 23, 2009 1:17 AM | Report abuse

I was disturbed about Obama's comment about the Cambridge police, but then when I saw that it bothered Kristol, I realized the president had to be on target. After all, Kristol's record is perfect: he never has been right. Thus the bigger question: why does a supposedly reputable newspaper like The Washington Post degrade itself by publishing him?

Posted by: greenm1 | July 23, 2009 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Of course Kristol's instincts are to side with the Cambridge cops; he is, after all, white, and can't fathom the indignities routinely suffered by Black men at the hands of cops. Once Professor Gates produced identification, the officer should have exited the premises immediately with a polite "Have a nice day, sir". Any "arrogance" on the part of Professor Gates is understandable.

Posted by: jwmorrison | July 23, 2009 1:29 AM | Report abuse

As an RN I have watched as patients get repeat tests, xrays etc., every time a new doctor enters the picture. There is no rhyme or reason for it, so it has to be the money.

Posted by: OleLadySquawking | July 23, 2009 1:29 AM | Report abuse

William Kristol suggests Harvard professors tend towards arrogance. He says he used to be a Harvard professor, but, from the evidence of his writing, he seems to maintain his old habits.

This is the guy who thought Sarah Palin was equipped for the national stage and supported almost every bone-headed thing Bush did. With a record like that, to continue to express his opinion with such self-importance is arrogance indeed. If he were an umpire, he would have been fired a long time ago.

Posted by: dgsweet | July 23, 2009 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Just what I need: white people telling me how cops treat minorities. Lecture us, when your skin pigmentation changes. Whites love to promote the idea that we live in a color blind society. "I don't care if someone is white, black, yellow or purple." Yeah, until your kid brings one home as a date or until one passes you on a dark street. Cops need to stop acting like gangsters and thugs. Arresting people to keep your "street creds" is like working people over or shooting them (mafia and gang protocols). Too many idiots are inducted into the police force. The cop could have driven away and ignored Gates. But that would have taken adult thinking and behavior.

Posted by: rcvinson64 | July 23, 2009 1:40 AM | Report abuse

The problem I have with Obama's Doctors/tonsils story is this: If Obama doesn't trust a child's Mother and Doctor to make the decision to remove the child's tonsils, who does he think should make that desision? A nameless, faceless bureaucrat in Washington, DC, who has never seen the child?

I trust Doctors way more than I will ever trust politicians or bureaucrats. Obama said nothing to win me over tonight.

Posted by: goldfinch | July 23, 2009 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Until Mr. Kristol and his republican nay sayers come up with a better, or for that matter any, alternative I would appreciate he just shut up. It is his ilk, on both sides, who do nothing to move the debate forward. For Mr. Kirstol this is a moot exercise, he's got insurance and can cover costs unlike many Americans especially those with no insurance. So his interest and that of congressional republicans is in torpedoing the Obama administration and not making sure that all Americans have some sort of health coverage.

Posted by: youngj1 | July 23, 2009 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, the 'Land of Stupid' knows no bounds. Maybe the 'prof' and the 'cop' should visit the land of 'Mutual Apology'.
As to references to the medical insurers profession ... get in line.

Posted by: deepthroat21 | July 23, 2009 2:03 AM | Report abuse

Gates is nothing more than an Ivy League silver spoon in the mouth elitist with an overinflated sense of self-importance. Good for the police officer not to apologize to the arrogant Gates! OF COURSE Obama is going to stand up for one of his Ivy League elitist pals! Nobody would listen if I were the one arrested here - who cares if I felt the officer treated me differently because I'm a Scottish/Norwegian mutt by ancestry.

Mr. Gates needs to respect authority like the rest of us - his race and Harvard professor status entitle him to nothing more than I would get from a police officer. Of course Mr. Gates would believe otherwise - his Harvard status makes him think he's better than everyone else. The race card is a facade and the media shoves it down our throats and expects us to believe this is racially motivated.

The police officer deserves the apology here - he showed remarkable restraint in not escalating the encounter when the elitist turned and walked away. For all he knew, Gates could have been going after a weapon.

Well done to the Cambridge Police Department - good to see a Harvard elitist get put in their place for a change.

Posted by: pcw5150 | July 23, 2009 2:10 AM | Report abuse

Bill Kristol said:

"if I were president of the United States, I might pause before casually accusing other Americans of acting stupidly unless I were confident I knew what I was talking about."

Then a commenter said:

"The president is a constitutional law scholar. Think about it."

Well, I'm an attorney and don't know enough about the facts of the case to comment intelligently about it. And that's what Obama should have said as well.

Posted by: Bill1230 | July 23, 2009 2:10 AM | Report abuse

pcw5150, after Gates provided ID showing he was entering his own house, why on earth would he have been going for a weapon? So he could shoot a cop on his front stoop?

Posted by: mm148896 | July 23, 2009 2:13 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol's comments are, as usual, unenlightened and offensive. His hostility toward Obama never wanes and is consistently sophomoric.

Today's Republican party bears no resemblance to what it used to be. The traditional values of the GOP have been usurped by Kristol and his radical right-wing colleagues, and most rational thinkers shudder when they read his columns.

Obama needs help not hindrance as he attempts to heal the nation's many wounds. Let the grown-ups guide Obama.

Posted by: dangerosa | July 23, 2009 2:15 AM | Report abuse

Healthcare reform indeed...how dare the government get in between a physician and a patient! Only the insurance cartel should be allowed to do that, right? RIGHT? That's how they've been doing business since Reaganization of the healthcare industry.

Thank Ronald Reagan for the mess we're in with healthcare - his policies turned the system into a profit scam for insurance companies, the pharmaceutical cartel, and physicians. I don't envy Obama's task here. There can be no compromise - insurance and pharmaceutical companies need to be reigned in.

Posted by: pcw5150 | July 23, 2009 2:19 AM | Report abuse

How did this guy, Kristol, ever get to where he is? That is the most important stuff you got from the press conference? Good Lord, you are really subpar.

Posted by: ZnanaB | July 23, 2009 2:23 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately Kristol was brainwashed by his father and needs a lifetime of counseling before he is able to partially navigate what the TWENTIETH century has to offer.

Before stooping to criticize little Billy, we should first make every effort to understand the numerous reasons for his mental retardation.

Posted by: qrxone | July 23, 2009 2:39 AM | Report abuse

Kristol makes me laugh.

Take this clip

"So on health care, I’d be surprised if the president changed any minds, because he never seriously tried to address criticism of his proposal on the merits."

Exactly how much Republican criticism has been on merit? Almost ZERO!!!! Have Republicans employed scare tactics? Sure (the govt will choose your health care). Politics 101? Absolutely (this is Obama's Waterloo). Created diversions? No doubt (look at Canada).

But come on Kristol -- exactly where is the criticism based on merit? You hiding it with those WMDs?

Funny stuff, Kristol, funny stuff!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 23, 2009 2:45 AM | Report abuse

These things we know about Kristol:

He knows how to eat, knows how to procreate, knows how to defecate, knows a lot about Israel, does not know anything about government, health care, warfare, or economics, and he has no credible experience needed to write about any of the above.

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Posted by: Frank57 | July 23, 2009 2:46 AM | Report abuse

How many times must Obama show his weakness for Dems to start realizing that he is a poor president, and that his reputation will get worse with time, even before Christmas?

Wake up Dems. You all made a huge mistake.

Posted by: admt | July 23, 2009 2:53 AM | Report abuse

KRISTOL - WOULD YOU STILL SIDE WITH THE RACIALLY-PROFILING POLICE IF THEY WERE DOING IT TO THE JEWISH COMMUNITY RATHER THAN AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY?

Posted by: xaajiga1 | July 23, 2009 2:59 AM | Report abuse

I usually completely disagree with Kristol. However, he made a valid point in how Obama seemed to unfairly criticize doctors. I was more concerned though with Obama saying doctors often do not provide effective care because they are tied to the fee for service system. Most doctors have integrity and professional dedication to helping their patients, to suggest otherwise seems an unfair slur. Most seek the most effective treatments for their patients.

As to the comment of the brief arrest of professor Gates, all the facts are not known to the public. As a constitutional lawyer, Obama should not have been so judgmental in his negative comments about the police.

Being a constitutional lawyer or scholar does not necessarily guarantee an official will always follow the rule of law or the Constitution. The president takes an oath to enforce the laws of this land. Yet Obama seems willing to forego prosecuting officials in the Bush-Cheney regime for likely war crimes, violations of the law.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | July 23, 2009 3:11 AM | Report abuse

FACT...if DR.GATES was a 58yr old blond haired white woman......
1 the cops would never have been called in the first place.
2 upon seeing a SINGLE ID the cop would have apologized for disturbing her royal blond highness and quickly left
3 when the CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OF THE LAND....
IE president OBAMA who is a constitutional law professor calls your police actions "STUPITY" IT IS BEST TO TAKE NOTICE.
that cop will be fired
federal civil rights violations will be filed against him
he will be made an example of
he will be found in violations of federal civil rights statutes
lose his ability to carry a fire arm
be unemployable except perhaps cleaning cages at the zoo where dumb stupid animals like him belong

Posted by: JudgeAlan | July 23, 2009 3:20 AM | Report abuse

Trite tripe for a slow news day.

Posted by: shilohgun | July 23, 2009 3:27 AM | Report abuse

Bill Kristol, please off yourself.

You are of zero use to anyone and are taking valuable oxygen that would be better used by ethical and constructive residents of the planet.

Your family is ashamed you are stooping so low and you spend each day tarnishing its name.

Would you at least consider taking an overdose of pills?

Posted by: OctoberLanguage | July 23, 2009 3:32 AM | Report abuse

As a white man who spent all of my 38 years in this country, I am not at all being casual by stating that the police officers involved in the arrest of Professor Gates acted stupidly. Bill Kristol is stupid for even hinting for half a second that there was something wrong about the President calling a thing as it is. I am very confident I know what I am talking about and I am also very confident that the Washington Post will soon no longer be considered a place to be informed of any reality whatsoever, and irresponsible shepherding of spurious amoral radicals like Kristol will be cited as the fatal dereliction of journalistic duty that brought it down.

Posted by: stuntedpotential | July 23, 2009 3:51 AM | Report abuse

"But if I were president of the United States, I might pause before casually accusing other Americans of acting stupidly unless I were confident I knew what I was talking about."

The police arrested the guy for breaking into his own home. How long a pause would you need?

Posted by: glennet | July 23, 2009 4:02 AM | Report abuse

Obama continues to amaze.

RE: Cambridge cops. He knows that it would have been pushing his detachment from petty issues too far to ignore it. Many black Americans, rightly or wrongly assume that gates was arrested wrongfully and feel angry about it. He had to say something this time.
What did he say? That race possibly has nothing to do with it - SCORE That the police were stupid to arrest him on a trumped up charge - SCORE ( even the police have said it was regrettable )
That anybody would be angry to see a respected man like Gates treated like that - SCORE
Very impressive.

Posted by: Toby1B | July 23, 2009 4:32 AM | Report abuse

"And in any case, is this what’s driving up health-care costs? It’s probably as likely health-care costs are high because hospitals have too many vice presidents for government relations making $300,000 a year."

Amen! Obama's wife made such an amount for the Chicago hospital. And it wasn't as an attorney, but some kind of administrator I believe. If they have that much money to throw around -- imagine all the other "administrators" and those above -- then there's obvious wasteful spending going on not connected to "healthcare."

Posted by: crumppie | July 23, 2009 4:33 AM | Report abuse

P.S. Somebody above pointed out that if Gates had been a 58 year old blonde white woman, the situation would have played out very differently.

What are the statistics on 58 year old blonde female housebreakers anyway?

Those cops need to go back to school to protect society from this hidden menace.

Posted by: Toby1B | July 23, 2009 4:44 AM | Report abuse

Well, Gates wins the BET drama queen award hands down. What a buffoon. Black in America, my a&&. What about the mayor of Berywn Heights Md, who had his door kicked down and his dogs assassinated by the PG county hit quads?

Too bad he wasn't black - or at least the dog weren't black - he would have gotten mention by the drama queen in chief.

This mouthy parasite will ride this one all the way to the bank - and the stooopid media will hold his hand the whole way.

Personally, I am going to donate money to the Cambridge Police department for whatever benevolent fund they may have in honor of their guy not taking crap from this "professor."

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | July 23, 2009 5:11 AM | Report abuse

I love Idi Amin Obama Dada. Gates is one lousy vote, the cop and his pistol toting Adz Hoes are 150,000 votes. End of story like his wife and her swindle with the patient dumping scandal or his buddy Johnson and his machine against what was that I.G's. name Walpin. As he was born and will die, Idi has ears like a rat and will die a rat.

Posted by: hondolane13 | July 23, 2009 5:29 AM | Report abuse

I am waiting for Mr. Obama to say something nice about the United States instead of apologizing to all those who should have apologized to us. Secondly, I am waiting for Mr. Obama to say something good about doctors, hospitals and police officers. He speaks well of Zelaya, Chavez, J. Wright and Wm. Ayers. Mr. Obama, admittedly, does not know exactly what took place at Professor Gates's residence. None of us do. It is entirely possible that Gates was a jerk or the young policeman was a jerk. It is also possible that the only reason the incident was 'racist' is that Gates said it was.

Posted by: david-mckenzie | July 23, 2009 5:39 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes, cops on domestic disturbances or serving warrants end up arresting whole households on disorderly conduct. When on official conduct - they - as well as fire scene commanders, health inspectors, and 7-8 others in the business area of private property have the power to order people from the property, to comply with reasonable orders, and orders to cease disorderly conduct.
They have sometimes gone and cleaned out a whole double-wide in a trailer park or ghetto apartment of belligerant, oppositional people. And the courts and ACLU say they have that right well established in law and precedent.

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Note to Kristol, behaving arrogantly is not a crime. Acting arrogantly in one's own home is even less of a crime. Its funny how conservatives are all about individual liberty and personal freedoms (i.e. against unwarranted arrest in one's home) but in this case, "acting arrogantly" is cause for an arrest. Jim Crow and slavery are over. A black man has the right to be arrogant, if he so chooses, and if that is even what happened in this case.
Posted by: comeonpeop
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Nope, black, white, brown, yellow....you don't have the right to engage in disorderly conduct against public officials on official business. Be it inside your house, on your property, at your business, out on the street, in your personal watercraft..
I imagine your term "behaving arrogantly" is your term for people that refuse to comply with instructions the state empowers those officials to make....at a fire scene, a crime scene, in the course of business.
I imagine your term for "acting arrogantly", is being disorderly and abusive and refusing to abandon belligerant and insulting behavior.

Fine.

Go to the ACLU website and learn not only your rights, but also your duties under law, when interacting with officials acting under the color of law.

Posted by: ChrisFord1 | July 23, 2009 5:56 AM | Report abuse


Kristol:
"For this reform we need to spend $1 billion?"
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Lunatic? huh?

Spending in fact less than 1 billion, in 10 (ten) years, to make health care available for all, and most of all the needy is indeed insane.

While waging an illegal war of aggression on the poor Iraqis, under false accusations and lies, and throwing trillions by the bucket, to mercenaries, big oil and other buddies, and let future generations foot the bill is good governance and compassionate conservatism.

How about stopping your quasi daily neocon rant Kristol? And going for a tour in Iraq or Afghanistan to show your real patriotism Kristy?

For a change.

Posted by: foxblues | July 23, 2009 6:06 AM | Report abuse

Please Kristol, contract cancer and go away.

Posted by: AIPACiswar | July 23, 2009 6:08 AM | Report abuse

This is not about your healthcare. This is about government control of another industry. Obama is a lawyer and I've never met a lawyer who understands medicine. He hasn't even read the bill! Do you remember before he was elected, the uninsured number was around 26
M? Now it's close to 50M. I think they're counting the family pet. This is not a partisan issue. This is about abuse of our country and of our consititution. The government already controls reimbursement through Medicare. Let the insured be put on Medicare and leave the rest of us alone. This will be a disaster and we will end up with the worst healthcare system in the civilized world. If you are old, you will be denied treatment. Guess he wants us to do to our elderly what they do in African villages--put the old and the sick outside the walls of the village and let the hyenas take care of their demise!

Posted by: ConcernedCitizen2009 | July 23, 2009 6:08 AM | Report abuse

"If we do not act, 14,000 Americans will continue to lose their health insurance every single day."

Translation: We're loosing 14,000 jobs a day because of my last fear mongered legislation.

Obama's Erkle moments are starting to manifest themselves..."did I do that?"

Posted by: seawolfR | July 23, 2009 6:14 AM | Report abuse

"It’s probably as likely health-care costs are high because hospitals have too many vice presidents for government relations making $300,000 a year. But I wouldn’t think it appropriate for the president to single them out for attack either."

Not unless he wants to sleep on the couch!

Posted by: jimtreacher | July 23, 2009 6:23 AM | Report abuse

YEAH BUT BUT BUT NEOCONS

Posted by: jimtreacher | July 23, 2009 6:24 AM | Report abuse

The Post needed someone knowledgeable on health care in this country, and they decided on the all-knowing William Kristol--was the homeless guy living under the highway overpass too busy?

Posted by: yatest | July 23, 2009 6:24 AM | Report abuse

The problem I have with Obama's Doctors/tonsils story is this: If Obama doesn't trust a child's Mother and Doctor to make the decision to remove the child's tonsils, who does he think should make that desision? A nameless, faceless bureaucrat in Washington, DC, who has never seen the child?

I trust Doctors way more than I will ever trust politicians or bureaucrats. Obama said nothing to win me over tonight.

Posted by: goldfinch


That's the best and only point that I need to hear. Who wants our inept government running something else into the ground.

Posted by: kitzdakat | July 23, 2009 6:24 AM | Report abuse

As a doctor who performs tonsillectomies, I can tell president Obama that reimbursement rates are so low that I make more money in the office seeing patients than I do by going into the operating room to perform tonsillectomies. This is the case for probably 80% of the surgical procedures that I perform.

Posted by: badkid | July 23, 2009 6:34 AM | Report abuse

Boycott the Post until Kristol and whoever hired him are gone.

Posted by: hairguy01 | July 23, 2009 6:54 AM | Report abuse

The arrogance of Barack Obama. Can't help but to lecture people about his expectations of them. Lecture, lecture, lecture.

Also, a political ploy; put the emphasis on Cambridge police and the favorite word of everything Obama, racism, to take the heat off of failed policies.

And I'm a Democrat.

Posted by: Realitycheck6 | July 23, 2009 7:01 AM | Report abuse

Dear ID10T Bill,

You have at once shown you have no ground in reality and that you are a blatant racist. Everyone knows that some doctors everyday order tests and procedures that they know are unnecessary in order to make money, to pay for a new boat, a trip to Vail or Aspen, or something. For you to say that is slander is spitting in the wind.

Let me ask Bill, is there any time you can talk to a cop like a man and not expect to be arrested for "disorderly conduct?" If I am in my house, already agitated with myself for locking myself out and having to "break-in," and a cop comes up and asks what I am doing in the house, and I show him my government mandated driver's license that has my picture and address on it and then he still wants to play Dirty Harry with me and orders me out of my house, I will tell him exactly what to do with himself.

It angers me that grown-ups like you and the other republicans that are supposed to be highly educated are playing this game with the American people. There are major issues with our society that need repair. Obama is trying to do somehting and all you guys are doing is trying to tear him down, not because what he is doing is bad, but for the fact that he is a Democrat. You guys are willing to let this country, and the people in it, suffer because of Party Politics.

You and you kind disgust me, and when the revolution comes, you and your kind (and there are some Dems that are just like you) will be the first against the wall. That is unles my side loses, in which case I would want to be the first against the wall, because I would rather rot in Hell than live in a world that you and your ilk control.

Posted by: democratus | July 23, 2009 7:03 AM | Report abuse

This column contains no reasonable debate or facts -- just pure anti-Obama vitriol dressed up as 'Informed Opinion' by a man (man?) whose opinions have been profoundly, completely wrong each time he puts fingers to keyboard.

Kristol, who apparently has an almost rabid, white-right-Israeli contempt for a Black President, is like a rat gnawing at the base of a giant oak tree.

He knows that just gnawing at it all by his pitiful self will never get him anywhere, so he uses his soapbox here at the WaPo to plead for other rats to help him.

But regardless of how hard he and his cousin rats gnaw, they won't get very far, because, at the end of the day, they'll still be nothing but low-life rats who've done nothing more than leave their little rat-like teeth marks on the history of fringe-right fear and hate.

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Posted by: Frank57 | July 23, 2009 7:04 AM | Report abuse

The Emperor is smooth talking and the loyal press is incompetent in his glow. His true feelings only come out when he gets off message and off teleprompter.

Posted by: JoeTH | July 23, 2009 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Kristol has some great points....and yet, he is personally attacked for his views by those of you who cannot counter with factual information!

Note to orange3: the glorious congressional gov't health plan, which they will be allowed to keep, is PRIVATELY administered.
That says it all, my friend......

Posted by: scrapper50 | July 23, 2009 7:11 AM | Report abuse

News reports said that the Cambridge cop wouldn't give Gates his name & badge no. Why does Gates have to identify himself, and the cop doesn't, on the front porch of his own house, no less?

Posted by: steveincharlotte | July 23, 2009 7:13 AM | Report abuse

Agree 100%, Mr. Kristol. Obama is an extremely careless and vague speechmaker. We need facts and details, not rhetoric. And he successfully buried the health care debate by commenting impulsively on something he admitted he did not know the facts about--and a police matter to but.
My respect for Obama is now near zero. He has done nothing but give rambling speeches and photo ops, and run up the biggest deficit in history. He has hired Wall St. insiders and crooks to help themselves to taxpayer money and he has promoted and preserved the very worst Bush-Cheney policies. It's going to be a long, long 4 years.

Posted by: aphor | July 23, 2009 7:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure Billy Kristol's view has not changed. That's not going to happen. I'd like to see his statistics on $300,000 hospital vice presidents.
On the Cambridge cops thing. I'm afaraid the President may have been prematurely judgmental of the cops. We have all dealt with arrogant cops and know that you must act respectfully with them or suffer the consequences. That's not a racial thing, that's a cop thing. They may have acted "stupidly" but I suspect the same might be said of Professor Gates. A little civility on both sides would have provided a different result.

Posted by: rdfoley | July 23, 2009 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Kristol is an avowed racist so who cares what he says?

Posted by: therev1 | July 23, 2009 7:27 AM | Report abuse

As a former Republican, and one who was more dedicated to the Party than is this writer, I hail President Obama for telling the truth as he sees it. We were drowning in lies from our previous Administration (i.e., Bush/Cheney). Thus, whether or not one agrees with what our current President says, one must commend him for not lying to us!!!

Posted by: Formerrepublican | July 23, 2009 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Excellent post, and we know this by the hatemongering leftists that cannot stand for intelligent and thoughtful and good people like Bill Kristol having a public voice. They would rather have their ignorance and racism and hatemongering un-remarked upon. Please, WAPO, even though your news pages are getting a badly biased as the NYTimes, don't give in to the hatemongers that do nothing but spread misery and racism. Keep Bill Kristol in your paper. Those of us that actually care about civil rights and freedom and liberty love Bill Kristol

Posted by: gagalbert | July 23, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Waste of time commenting on this stupidity.

Posted by: Tomcat3 | July 23, 2009 7:33 AM | Report abuse

The bad news is that Obama appears to be getting worse with his communication skills at each press conference. And, his nose seems to keep getting longer.

Posted by: johnson0572 | July 23, 2009 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Kristol,
I'd like to see a big, black cop pull you out of your car and slap your punk white-wing a** around a little bit.
I'm willing to bet that you cry?
You're a silk-pants cry-baby.
I KNOW I could make you snivel and whimper like a little puppy.

Posted by: Tomcat3 | July 23, 2009 7:36 AM | Report abuse

One commenter here said he trusted doctors more than politicians. I don't know about politicians, but I do not have great trust in doctors, either. Not their skills, but their opinions about procedures. I don't make a move now without a second or third opinion, often with contradictory results. The general feeling is that the patient counts less than what benefits the system financially and legally. Put another way, I think for many years Americans have been resigned to a situation where the well-being of the patient is merely a factor in an equation that diminishes the person and prioritizes the cost effect of insurance companies and the pharmaceutical industry.

As for Professor Gates, I would have been pissed as hell.

Posted by: muslit | July 23, 2009 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Neo-con poster-boy, William Kristol, only a few days ago implored Rupert Murdoch's American Army of the Jilted Dunderheads to go "go for the kill" regarding the President of the United States, Barack Obama.

Kristol is an Israel-first, neo-con traitor who hates an America not subservient to the Israeli lobby, and who hates the ground Barack Obama walks on. Neo-con twit Kristol wants to see Obama and America fail, and so Kristol barks at the heels of Barack Obama like a little puppy hyenia trying to make Obama shoot himself in the foot.

We should just say no to the braying pack of neo-cons hyenas.

Posted by: DCSage | July 23, 2009 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Here it is in plain Black & White: The police did their job. A neighbor called and reported that 2 "black" men were breaking into a house. Dah people !!!!!!

The police asked for ID and Gates showed his University ID. Gates didn't respond by saying this is my house, he responded when the police asked why he was there with "why, because I'm black" Right off the top......2 reasons to arrest him.

Then he uses this as a "racial" issue. I am so sick of black people using this line. It really makes me sick. Companies hire black people, they can do anything they want, ie: come in late, curse coworkers, not call in....and never get fired. Why?.....because they are black. If they get fired, then the company will be sued because they fired the person because "they were black". I lost a promotion because I was "white". Humm.....did I sue, no, but I should had.
Then the President says the cops acted stupidly.
Mr. Gates acted stupidly, not the cops. People know what is right and wrong, it doesn't matter if you are black or white. the cops did the right thing, they did their job. If anyone thinks otherwise, then "you" have a racial problem.

Posted by: vjberea | July 23, 2009 7:38 AM | Report abuse

"I was once a Harvard professor, and my instinct is to side with the Cambridge cops.

Get back to me after you've been a black Harvard professor.

Posted by: martymar123 | July 23, 2009 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Comment on both issues:

Our family reports billing abuses to our insurance company, most recently a neurosurgeon that hit us for 3X what a second opinion billed. It takes some effort, but how else are we to hold providers accountable?

It has been said that stupid is as stupid does. Clearly that police officer acted stupidly. In the south, where guns are plentiful and home is sacred, this could have ended badly. Thankfully, real tragedy was averted.

By the way, Mr. Kristol, wipe that spittle out of the corner of your mouth.

Posted by: wcmarkham | July 23, 2009 7:39 AM | Report abuse

As an active police officer with over 35 years service I am offended by the President's comment "acted stupidly." The police are often faced with very limited options as to actions taken and there is always someone who will say the wrong thing was done. I believe this President is beginning to lose his luster. He's over exposed and I have to wonder about his handlers.

Posted by: stanisman | July 23, 2009 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Kristol does not know what he is talking about, as usual. "Does Obama really think pediatricians knowingly order unnecessary tonsillectomies in order to “make a lot more money?”" Pediatricians don't take out tonsils. Adjacent towns have 10-fold differences in rates or elective surgery (tonsillectomy, hysterectomy, prostatectomy, lumbar discectomy) with no discernible benefit -- except to those who do the procedures. About a quarter of kids referred to ENT specialists (the ones who take out tonsils) will be advised to have the procedures. Of those not so advised, if they are sent to a second ENT, about a quarter will be advised to have the procedure. And of the ones not so advised, if they are sent to a third ENT, about a quarter will be advised this time to have the procedure. Even Gerson should smell a rat here.

Posted by: frodot | July 23, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

More US deaths in Afghanistan last month than in a year. Liberals, hows that hopey changey thing. I hope voting for Obama assuaged your white guilt.....as he leads us to 3rd world status

Posted by: jim_bevan | July 23, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Mr Kristol, you loose credibilty starting with the title of your article "Obama Attacks Docs and Cops". He did not attack Doctors, he attacked the insurance companies which you side with. And as for attacking the Cops, specifically it was the Cambridge police not police in general. You really do not have much credibilty at all since you still support the Invasion of Iraq so a title like this for your article even more deminishes what credibility you have left. I can see why you are a Fox News employee aren't they all lackys or mouthpieces for corporate america and not credible newsmen?

Posted by: gosslaar7611 | July 23, 2009 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Kristol is typical of the ivory tower rich folks trying like hell to stop the vast majority of people from getting health coverage, because then they will know what fools they were to support a party (GOP) that stole from them, laughed about it, and fears any change.

Posted by: blackmask | July 23, 2009 7:54 AM | Report abuse

All of you bashing doctors obviously don't know there are more good doctors than bad ones. If you saw insurance reimbursement rates, you would understand most are not in it for the money. They care about you!

To the person who said he hopes Kristol gets cancer--do you know about Karma?

As intelligent, informed adults, we should be able to voice an opinion and engage in debate when there are disagreements. Making ugly comments about a person shows ones ingnorance.

Posted by: ConcernedCitizen2009 | July 23, 2009 7:55 AM | Report abuse

"easy disdain for the less enlightened among us"
Probably not the best choice of words for a tart rejoinder, Mr Kristol. As reflected by so many of the comments here, those who are WILLFULLY ignorant, and prey on the ignorance of the vulnerable, deserve disdain.
And so much more.

Posted by: DoctorT1 | July 23, 2009 7:55 AM | Report abuse

No - more than analysis is needed:

The Bush administrtion left DC in disgrace. They left the country on the brink of bankruptcy. They prostituted our laws and our Constitution to suit their interests.

They managed 8 years of deceit with the willing help of pundits like Kristol that cheered them on, and scoffed at us when we noticed their perfidity.

It is amazing that the culprits don't have the grace to just get out of our sight.

No, they're still acting like anyone ought to pay any attention to their drivel.

What they have done is broken my trust in the Washington Post. I don't feel I can depend on them for truth when they allow the disgraced access.

Posted by: dutchess2 | July 23, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

"that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home."

Gosh, When will people like this idiot stop twisting comment out of context to score a political point ?

Posted by: reefer | July 23, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a flaming disaster, it's easy to see why they keep him tethered to the teleprompter. As an attorney, shouldn't he know better than to pass judgement on the Gates situation? Gee, I wonder why they won't release his transcripts..

Posted by: SMWE357 | July 23, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

In the dictionary, next to the word disingenuous, is a picture of William Kristol.

His track record is soooooo bad, that even he laughs at it.

Posted by: vigor | July 23, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

there was nothing questionalbe about what obama said.
It was simply WRONG.

you follow a cop out onto the porch , screaming, you best expect to get arrested.

Posted by: newagent99 | July 23, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Kristol's suggestion that Obama slandered doctors by implying that they perform unnecessary tonsillectomies is the height of absurdity. It is an acknowledged fact in the medical community that unnecessary tonsillectomies are common. There have been many studies finding that between 40% and 80% of tonsillectomies are not necessary.

Well, at least Kristol's ignorance about medicine won't cost as many lives as his ignorance about Iraq's alleged WMD programs.

Posted by: cassidyt | July 23, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Here's the President of The United States taking sides even when he admits that he does not know all the sides of the story. I agree with "vjberea | July 23, 2009 7:38 AM" comments. This president wants this nation to be what he thinks (in his infinite wisdom) it should be. Not what is reality. I for one am glad I did not vote for this man.

Posted by: TeddyW | July 23, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

"The president is a constitutional law scholar. Think about it."

NO, he's not..
he's a run of the mill law grad who didn't practise.

He taught the same intro course over and over again.

He's never been published, never written on the constitution, never been tenured, never done original research, never delved into the constitution beyond his 3 year education in law.

Posted by: newagent99 | July 23, 2009 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Stonefly

I doubt you will read all the comments to find one just for you.

But it needs to be said.

The picture is a fact. A black man in handcuffs on is own front porch. For 'disorderly conduct' in his own home.

Handcuffs applied AFTER the policeman knew he was talking to a man with identification both as a professor at Harvard, AND a resident of that address, with a driver and a limo in eyesight.

I want to be there when a policeman comes into your house, and puts you in handcuffs for being in your own home.

We will find out then what you think is stupidity.

Posted by: dutchess2 | July 23, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

TeddyW

What - you think the black professor that lived there put the handcuffs on for fun?

He was arrested for disorderly conduct.

I would hate to think what the sheet will say about you the day they come into your own home to arrest you for being there.

Posted by: dutchess2 | July 23, 2009 8:17 AM | Report abuse

SMWE357

And yet - there he was for a nationally broadcast press conference answering questions from the press, informed, articulate, and without a teleprompter.

Sorta leaves you with egg on your face.

Posted by: dutchess2 | July 23, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

My, my, my! Mr. Kristol is so often right. NOT! He's the quintessential conservative. I've got mine so the hell with everyone else. Every person who's been attended by a doctor has experienced or knows someone who has experienced un-needed tests and/or surgeries. Buck and more bucks for the wealthy and not a penny for the rest of us. How droll. But then conservatives ARE so passé, aren't they?

Posted by: luckytn | July 23, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

I trust doctors more than politicians.

Posted by: jack71 | July 23, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I will give Kristol the benefit of a doubt on the health insurance issue. Obama may not have swayed the people against Health care reform. But, I have a problem with Kristol siding with Cambridge Police because he was a Harvard professor? Kristol, when was last time a police officer walked into your residency and asked you for your identification? Maybe Dr. Gates had jetlag and he was cranky from a long flight from China, however that didn't give the Cambridge Police Department the right to arrest him because Gates yelled at them? Dr. Gates is a man in his 50's and he walks with a cane, what kind threat was he to the presumably healthy group of police officers?

Posted by: twindog4@yahoo.com | July 23, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

How naive. Doctors don't do procedures without thinking about their profit? When was the last time Kristol spoke to Gates? He says he doesn't know all the details but he criticizes President Obama's comments about how the police treated Prof Gates. What does he know about how black men are treated by white police? As usual Kristol doesn't know what he is talking about.

Posted by: vpucsekberman | July 23, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

The proliferation of cell phone cameras and squad car cameras have pretty much proved that too many cops are out of control starting with Rodney King.

It's so nice to have an articulate and intelligent President.

Posted by: MNUSA | July 23, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

The officer overreacted, sure. He should have just walked away. So in that sense, OB is right, the officer acted stupidly. But OB failed to say that that the professor also acted stupidly. Had he just realized the police were doing a necessary job and had he been civil, this controversy would never have happened. Both of them were just a couple of hotheads who let their anger get the best of them. So the professor gets thrown in jail, and the officer takes a tremendous amount of heat from peers, bosses, and the press--maybe gets time off etc.. Both lose. Lesson: Just be cool, dudes.
BTW--OB is beginning to show the excess baggage his life-experiences have saddled him with.

Posted by: cecil91 | July 23, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Obama badmouths cops? Get real. The Cambridge police department had already dropped all charges against Gates and said that the incident was regrettable. President Obama was just restating what the police department had already acknowledged. I hope to hell that I can be disorderly in my own home when I'm abused by cops without my indignation being considered a crime. Unfortunately, this is typical cop behavior. The only difference here is that a copy picked on the wrong person. Good for you, Professor Gates, for sticking up for yourself!

Posted by: barnabytwist | July 23, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

It never ceases to amaze how the right can continue to inject this drivel into the public discourse in the face of facts. A quick click on the Post audio from last night's conference provides a clear and reasoned explanation from the President about the need for timely action on a long overdue initiative on health reform. And the linkage of this topic with statements on the unfortunate false arrest of Professor Gates provides for some stunningly cheesy rhetoric. Maybe you can do some pieces for the O'Riley Factor, Kristol?

Posted by: oldanthro | July 23, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Kristol and his bushie buddies got us into a mess, now they have no constructive ideas, just the same ole cr@p.

Posted by: calif-joe | July 23, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

How do you bring a country together when you take sides? Especially when it comes to racial issues. Would'nt the president have been better suited to get the parties together to (get the facts) work things out, setting an example that we need to work together.....

Posted by: silencedogoodghost | July 23, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol,
How can you have the audacity to criticize the President of the United States, Commander in Cheif of the US Military, when we are engaged in TWO WARS overseas?

You are obviously aiding and abetting terrorism by criticizing the President about ANYTHING.

Why do you hate America?

;-) :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

Posted by: exPostie | July 23, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

wapo couldn't afford froomkin, but had to have this clown? what does he add to the likes of krautie, prissy george, goofball gerson, and the remaining stable of right wing nitwits? wapo--d.c.'s version of worldnetdaily!

Posted by: jimfilyaw | July 23, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

First in regard to your comment about his casual slander of doctors is actually inverted as many under HMO's do not order tests to make money, but in as say kaiser's case, they withhold treatment in order to make money since the doctors actually get bonuses for not sending you to specialists or approving benefits that are supposedly in your plan to which I am aware of first hand. On the other hand, outpatient doctors recieving government subsidized funds, tend to order tests or treatments that may not be necessary to make money of which I know of first hand also.

In regards to the police statement that Obama made. First of all, this is not an isolated incidence. The police came like they were suppose to and checked his ID. But more than likely, which is the usual case, is that the professor being pissed at how he was probably jacked up when the cops first showed up (expecting a break in) kept cussing and fussin even after they identified him, which got him arrested, with a lot of extra charges, which is typical cop bad behavior when they want to teach you a lesson and expect you to take any abuse they may deliver without an apology. It may not have been racial in the beginning (just as Obama pointed out), but may have turned into it. But, considering that this is not isolated by far across the nation, this particular incident may be hard to prove as being racially motivated-except by the neighbor who called in the first place.

Posted by: lidiworks1 | July 23, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Where does all this nonsense about government-run health care come from?

I cannot speak for other countries, but since returning to Canada in 1974 (after a 12-year stay in the States) despite periods of low-wage jobs and unemployment, I have always had access to quality health care and the question of whether or not I could pay for it never arose.

(Of course health care up here is not free. We pay through taxes - though less per capita than Americans.)

Posted by: GaryPeschell | July 23, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

I'm with President Obama on Gates. But then again, I dislike cops tremendously. All of them act stupidly, often.

Posted by: johng1 | July 23, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Obama insulted Cambridge cops; thats a good reason not to improve the health care system.

Obama's description of how Doctors get paid for doing certain work is accurate. You should thank God that your financial position, or out-right ignorance, has kept you from learning this sad truth till now.

Posted by: jeremyisett | July 23, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Hey,

Concerning Gates arrest, how many people on this blog have arrested, on your porch, at your house, for "disorderly conduct"? Not, too many I imagine. So why are you defending this cops. I have friends who are cops and they have better things to do than arrest 58-year-old angry man in there own houses. There are "real" criminals out there, people. Why do you think the charges were dropped?

Posted by: twindog4@yahoo.com | July 23, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

First I have the up most respect for Mr. Kristol's opinion.

If anyone reads just parts of the Heath Care bill they will realize it is not for them. Its like an insurance salesman selling you a policy for $100 a month and hands you a policy including 750 to 1000 pages of fine print and tells you this is what you get! No conversation just 750 to 1000 pages of fine print. How many are going to pay the 100 dollars and sign on the line like he is asking congress to do before the fine print is finished being edited?

I like the president wasn't there but here's my opinion on this Mr Gates, the president don't seem to give the police officers any room here Mr Gates may have taken out his temper out (just getting home and can't get in his front door would upset anyone)on the police officers? And now his daughter is telling the world how badly he was treated (was she there)? Sounds like the beginning of a new book deal to me!

Posted by: buckmccoy | July 23, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Kristol and his ilk seem to think readers have short memories. What I remember is neocon policies that were disastrous. Little or no regulation that allowed big banks and corporations to take advantage of the rest of us. International policies that led us to fight a disastrous war in iraq and diminish our standing with other nations. Dishonest fiscal policies of tax cuts for a few on top of unbridled deficit spending, that got the USA into a huge financial chasm. Kristol would have us go back to the failed policies of the past. He and his kind want to saddle Obama with the blame for this mess and hopes that those of us with short memories will do so as well. This is the usual kind of tripe produced by this neocon who admonishes Republicans not to do the responsible thing, be patient and hope that Obama fails.
If healthcare reform fails, we are all the losers.

Posted by: dmiller3 | July 23, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Columnist Kristol didn't mention to his readers, that he has put out "MARCHING ORDERS", to all Conservatives, "TO KILL THE HEALTH CARE REFORM BILL", and to do what ever it takes.

As far as he concern, American citizens don't deserve a Health Care System that works.

I have no doubt that when Columnist Kristol decides in his "TWISTED MIND", to put out "MARCHING ORDERS", to the Republicans to "KILL PRESIDENT OBAMA", he will try to "JUSTIFY", that in his "TWISTED MIND", as well.

This man is a "JOKE", and an "INSULT", to the JOURNALISM PROFESSION.

The Washington Post should be "PUT OUT OF BUSINESS, FOR ALLOWING THIS "HACK", TO WRITE A COLUMN.

Posted by: austininc4 | July 23, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

barnabytwist claims: "I hope to hell that I can be disorderly in my own home when I'm abused by cops">>>>

Abused? In what way is it an abuse to be approached by an officer who has been ordered to verify that you are not a burglar? Was the officer supposed to ignore the call? Is that how you would want the police to respond to a report that someone was breaking into your house? Would you have unloaded your anger on the officer, or would you have cooperated, been civil, and thanked the officer for keeping an eye on things?
Anyway, thanks so much for the usual left-wing non sequitur.

Posted by: cecil91 | July 23, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

More penetrating insight from the one who thought Dan Quayle was a great politician. At least I don't have to pay to read his thoughts.

I work with police officers and correctional officers on a routine basis and the Cambridge police did an awful job. A supervisor, or sergeant in this case, made the situation worse, not better, and I doubt he would have arrested somebody like Dershowitz in a similar situation.

Posted by: RamiroM62 | July 23, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Who, may I know would be in the best of moods & frame of mind after flying from China to Boston & not being able to open his door? Then the cop walks in & asks for the ID. Could the cop guess that a burgler wouldn't be just standing in the middle of the house with un-opened luggage? By his own statement the cop admits that Mr. Gates had proof of ownership of the house. All he had to do was to say "Sorry sir, there was a 911 call & we had to repond... there is a misunderstanding" & walk off. Nooooo, he had to arrest the tired old man on "disorderly conduct".

Posted by: sarvenk63 | July 23, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

We need better, more affordable health care in this country and the GOP will use delay tactics to try to kill any reform aimed at making it happen in order to protect their rich friends making lots of money on the way things are. They will even use Professor Gates to change the subject. Obama was stupid to give Billy Kristol this headline, but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to be distracted by it.

Posted by: SarahBB | July 23, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

And yes, if this was war we were talking, Kristol, especially war for oil, you'd be all over it, forget about the cost. Instead, it's about helping people rather than blowing them up. How ill-advised!

Posted by: SarahBB | July 23, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Well, he's working for the right paper. How many killings of Schwartzers by the PG or DC cops did this cowardly bigoted Jew rag cover up today?

Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com

Posted by: mchaun | July 23, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Who, may I know would be in the best of moods & frame of mind after flying from China to Boston & not being able to open his door? Then the cop walks in & asks for the ID. Could the cop guess that a burgler wouldn't be just standing in the middle of the house with un-opened luggage? By his own statement the cop admits that Mr. Gates had proof of ownership of the house. All he had to do was to say "Sorry sir, there was a 911 call & we had to repond... there is a misunderstanding" & walk off. Nooooo, he had to arrest the tired old man on "disorderly conduct".
By supporting the "stupid" cop, Mr. Kristol has proved himself an incorrigible idiot.

Posted by: sarvenk63 | July 23, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

PLEASE crawl back in your hole - and STAY THERE ! !

.

Posted by: swanieaz | July 23, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

So Kristol thinks Gates behaved stupidly and arrogantly by standing in his own house and demanding that a cop identify himself. Whatever happened to "the house of every man is to him as his castle and his fortress?"

Posted by: jhirschhorn1 | July 23, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Juvenile happy talk? How respectful, Bill! I think that phrase sums up most of your columns during the Bush years. By the way, have you ever really done anything? Like hold a real job?

Posted by: gtinla | July 23, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

1. Kristol's unstinting, uncritical love and support of the most extremist apartheid religious and political factions in Israel mark him as a racist. Smile and posture as he might, fundamentally he is racist scum.

2. Why does Kristol not criticize the mandatory universal health used by all Israelis? Why does Kristol not use the Israeli system as an example of what is wrong with the "public option"? Why? Because he can't. He's simply a two-faced oaf, lying and posturing on behalf of the corporate interests that keep his pockets lined.

Posted by: WhatHeSaid | July 23, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Kristol, when are you going to repent and renounce your illness: NeoCon Syndrome? Assuming you are not ready to save your soul, lets just address your prejudice against President Obama's comments regarding Cambridge Police.

The President responded in a balanced way to the question regarding the Gates arrest. From an LE point of view, people never seem to remember that police are people too...and they are under constant pressure...they are NOT perfect. In this case, I think the President has a right to his opinion given the facts he's been given. He has been accountable when he makes a mistake and he only was calling for those officers to take the same stance. If he would have answered less completely, Neocons would accuse him of avoiding the question...or not supporting "citizens rights to enter their own home".

If anything, this incident puts the focus on the need to fully fund police and ensure the appropriate amount of training hours is available to all officers.

Posted by: free-donny | July 23, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I was truely surprised and disappointed that the president felt it appropriate to say that doctors select treatment for their patients based on payment. I have been an ophthalmologist for 10 years ( I was a veterinarian first) and I have never, neither as a physician or as a veterinarian chosen a treatment for my patient based on a fee. President Obama said in his speech that doctors knowingly select the wrong treatment for their patients. This is certainly untrue for myself and for the 26 optometrists, and 8 ophthalmologists I work with. My colleagues and I gather together and discuss, in depth, the best solutions to patients problems. In complicated cases we truely struggle with trying to find the best solution for our patients based on clinical evidence, basic research, and experience. President Obama was at best misinformed and at worst trying to blame the health care crisis on the doctors, nurses, and other care providers who chose health care because we truely care, and in many cases know personally, the people we care for.
Kristie Shappell, DVM, MS, MD

Posted by: kkshappe | July 23, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Bill, your observations about Obama and his comments regarding doctors and cops were right on point. MARVELOUS, MARVELOUS, MARVELOUS.

Posted by: bethunedaja | July 23, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I am sickened and APPALLED about OB's war-time increase of soldiers in Afghanistan. By his orders, the body count of American soldiers has gone up, and many civilians have been killed. Wait a minute ... I thought only GW did that sort of stuff ... oops.

Posted by: cecil91 | July 23, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

It is Obama that is stupid. The officer was following normal procedures. They want the individual to identify himself, they want them outside just in case he is being held hostage by an unseen assailant, and they want him outside to separate him from a reported second individual. All the professor had to do was to respond politely to the police officer. Gates doesn't because he is stuck in the 60s and is himself a racist profiler because he sees every white police officer as an racist. Obama was stupid for commenting on the case without reading the full report and understanding procedures meant to keep both the individual and the police officer's safe. By the way one of the police sergeants on scene was black and I suspect he feels pretty bad being called a racist by the professor.

Posted by: staterighter | July 23, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Isn't a little ironic WAPO to have Billy Kristol posting on your "post-partisan" website?

Or better yet
Why is WAPO giving a man, who has never been right about anything, another vehicle to spout transparently idiotic analysis?


Posted by: jbanks979 | July 23, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Also,

Is there a single conservative pundit capable of analysis without provoking false "outrage" at something the other side did as an emotionally manipulative way to make a point?

Or has the tactic become so overused that conservatives themselves are unable to distinguish between the b.s.?

Posted by: jbanks979 | July 23, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

This whole article is tainted with the fact that kristol actually doesn't give a rip about health care reform for millions of americans. He's a major voice in the I've got mine screw you party. Check his track record, he's wrong more times than he's right.

Anyone that doesn't believe racial profiling isn't still an issue either lives where there are no minorities or they live in a cave.

Tune in tomorrow when kristol chastizes the president for saying the sky is blue.

And wapo fired Froomkin...

Posted by: NotFooledTX | July 23, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

The title of the op-ed reminds me more of a New York Post headline then WaPo.

Posted by: balto20 | July 23, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I know for a fact that doctors often make decisions based on fee schedule. I've heard them say it. ESPECIALLY if insurance is involved because "noone's really paying for it".

I've also had doctors cut breaks for me or offer cheaper alternatives when I didnt have health care, but to act like this isnt commonplace is naive at best.

Posted by: kreator6996 | July 23, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Kristol is such a SCHMUCK and so are the cops that arrested Mr. Gates.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | July 23, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Bill,

I thought his conference, only seeing the last 15 minutes was interesting and he was funny and sharp.

You're clearly losing it, as you slip further into oblivion.

Posted by: PK1123 | July 23, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Of course, Republicans like Kristol are upset with President Barack Obama. We finally have a President, who is willing to stand up for the poor and middle class and against lobbyist and big business. Apparently, the rich white men who make up the majority of the Republican Party didn't have an opportunity to steal enough money under George W. Bush. They want more and are willing to go to any lengths to get it.

Posted by: Caliguy55 | July 23, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

In Sheckylandia, all the doctors are honest, none of the cops are racists, we believe everything the Church and Government says and we never accept we lost the election to a young, intelligent Black man.

Kristol is a sad potatoe-head relic of Dan Quayle. How charitable of Hiatt to give him work after he has been fired from so many jobs in the past.

Posted by: coloradodog | July 23, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Further, to arrest someone in their own home for "disorderly conduct" if this is indeed what happened, is ridiculous.

Of course Mr. Kristol agrees with the cops...

GOPers have no problem with THE STATE telling you what to do in your own home if you are a minority, or it involves sexual practices they disapprove of.

Less government, my a$$.

Posted by: kreator6996 | July 23, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Bravo, Bill.

Posted by: tponcary | July 23, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I, have personally had doctors recommend an unnecessary procedure on me. In this case after a colonoscopy..where she removed non cancerous toumors..said next one in 3 years. Two GI Docs at GW University said with those type of pollops
8-10 years. Also a third GI doc..out in Va. said 8-10 years. My previous doc who did the proceedure..said we routinely say 3 years anytime we find anything.
Pure and simple..it was a money maker. There have been many reported incidents of unnecessary proceedures ordered.
How many Docs have ripped off medeicare..especially those with practices that serve low socio-economic areas?
Healthcare costs have long increased at a much higher rate than the cost of living.

As for the Harvard professor and the police
we may never know the truth. If all the prof had to do was show id that shows he lived there..without refusing..it probably would have been over. Personally, I would be glad for the police protecting my home.
Sounds like the prof is a bit of a racist himself..and reacted badly. If something looked suspicious..I hope a neighbor of mine would call the police. The cops did not know this individual, so they wanted to see ID..and he sounds like he had a major ego issue with that. Why is the question. Show your ID..the cops say good night. Did he provoke the confrontation?
I am a Obama supporter..but I think with his remarks, he acted stupidly. this is not a national/federal issue. It was a local issue. Pulling the race card at every opportunity..is being just as racist as anything.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | July 23, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, is that your mouth moving? You must be lying, then. Pay no mind to the fool at the keyboard writing this article. He cheerleaded an botched invasion that was not supposed to be an occupation and now wants to retain some relevancy.

Congratulations, Billy, you've succeeded in achieving irrelevancy!

Posted by: Junk_jungle | July 23, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

This "writer" Kristol has shown his utter cluelessness, ignorance and wickedness one time too many. Yet the WaPo continue to give him space to bloviate!

Posted by: abiodunaodeleye | July 23, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Public Option?

I think the fear of the unknown is the greatest barrier to entry for the good of the people.

So - let's look at something familiar with most adults- Airlines. Or at least the basic idea and basic knowledge and I emphasize basic.

In the early 90's - Chicago had two of the biggest carriers- American Airlines & Untied Airlines in the industry.

Both carriers operated out of O’Hare Airport.

Midway Airport was old- decrepit and sitting idle.

Midway Airlines operated out of Midway Airport only- but they entered the Chicago market

They lasted a few years. In the interim- Southwest Airlines overcame laws in Texas that restricted entry into an industry that already had one of the greatest BARRIERS to ENTRY in the world.

Midway Airlines – with limited destinations – eventually failed, however- Southwest flourished.

Southwest entered the market with more destinations to where they competed with United and American.

A real example- over many years American Airlines and United Airlines both offered service to business travelers approximately 3 flights per day from Chicago O’Hare Airport to Providence Rhode Island.

A round trip fare – on United or American for mid week travel , i.e. depart Tuesday, return Thursday, ranged between $700.00 – $900.00.

Once Southwest Airlines offered comparable service from Midway Airport to Providence, RI for a round trip fare of less than $200.00 RT – guess what United and American did?

Need I say more?

United and American began to charge $199.00 for the exact itinerary they charged $900.00, pre- southwest.

Public Option into the Health Industry Oligopoly is our Southwest of the Airline Oligopoly!

And yes- many many doctors commit fraud!

Posted by: sasha2008 | July 23, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Thank you for your editorial. I think painting the physicians as money making fiends in their decision making is being naive at best.

I have also been part of the Harvard system and its incredible arrogance and though I do believe racial profiling is a problem, I would side with the Cambridge Police on this matter as their account sounds more plausible. If you look at the picture that the neighbor took, the police look calm and look like they are trying to ask him to chill out while he looks like an angry madman. Regardless, mine is just an opinion. I wasn't there but my words don't have the same weight as the President's and I think he should have refrained from making a comment that shows that he is in fact, taking sides.

Why haven't we heard from the witnesses (there were neighbors and individual passing by)? Why have we focused on Sgt Crowley and not the minority police officers also present?

Posted by: dRo89 | July 23, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

And as far as his example concerning tonsillitis that is just one example of what is not CONSISTENT across all Medical Practitioner Officers.

There are many cases and examples out there where Doctors would prefer to perform UNNECESSARY HIGHLY INVASIVE SURGERIES and other services on people to "MAKE A LOT MORE MORE" when in FACT many of these same Doctors know that there are other ALTERNATIVES that are LESS EVASIVE and COST LESS and will work just as well.

The problems is that these same Doctors are not specialized in performing these other types of services, so they sometimes do not tell the patient about these other alternatives and also because it does not put money into their pockets.

Patients need to be smart about doing some of their own research when they have been diagnosed with a medical condition, ask a lot of questions, 2nd and 3rd opinions, and stand up to the doctors whom are pushing these sorts of bad practices on people when there are alternatives.

I know this because I am a prime example.

KRISTOL is a LIAR and MISUSES his so-called Journalism credentials to confuse the masses for POLITICAL GAIN!

Posted by: lcarter0311 | July 23, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Kristol has always been "sound and fury, signifying nothing",

But he hit a new low this AM when he called our President juvenile.
OK, WaPo, give the nutty neos a voice, but why does it have to be a (now scurrilous) idiot like Irving's son, Billy?
Try David Brooke inter alia.

Posted by: auntywbush | July 23, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

It is entirely possible that Professor Gates did get upset with the police officer at the scene. But, the officer needs to keep his cool in situations like this--- and to arrest someone for a situation that arose from trying to get back into his own home suggests that the officer might have been a bit angry himself. The officer should have walked away after it was established that this was Gates' home.

Posted by: ablum1 | July 23, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Good news:

Bill Kristol is going to pay for your operation.

Thanks, Bill. We knew you weren't just anti-health reform and heartless bastrd who doesn't care about the millions of uninsired.

We all appreciate that.

Send all medical bills to Bill Kristol c/o Washington Post.

Posted by: baddabing1 | July 23, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Gee, Bill. He's President and a friend of Prof Gates. Perhaps he read the accounts and made a few phone calls. Maybe, just maybe, he *does* know what he's talking about.

Can you see yourself criticizing George Bush in a similar situation, asked about a white prof being arrested by black cops? I can't, either. For about nine different reasons, including the fact that they only rolled W out at 11 AM so he'd be sober and the press unprepared.

Posted by: jmb1918 | July 23, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

As far as I'm concerned, this man's cheerleading is directily or indirectly responsible for the folly in
Iraq -- 4300 American lives lost and a trillion plus down the rat hole that easily could have funded health care for Americans.
How do people like Kristol sleep at night? Oh that's right, on very expensive sheets.

Posted by: Lorian7 | July 23, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Yet another waste of space. As always, Kristol's piece reads like he wrote it before the President's speech, then inserted a couple quotes to seem like it was after the fact. More lies and distortion from a SECOND rate political operative.

Posted by: kristolisweak | July 23, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Another piece of rabble rousing from one of the right's "intellectuals", rushing to the defense of the poor drug companies by a juvenile description of the "red pill, blue pill" analogy, then confusing the issue by tossing a bit of racist raw meat in to confuse the issue. Is this the best you've got?

Posted by: Howdeb | July 23, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

"Does Obama really think pediatricians knowingly order unnecessary tonsillectomies in order to make a lot more money?"

Probably not in this case, given that pediatricians don't do tonsillectomies.

But cardiologists ordering unnecessary caths? Gastroenterologists who scope everyone that shows up? Sure. There was just an article by Atul Gawande in the New Yorker that demonstrated that point. See below for the link.

The conclusion: Doctors who have a financial incentive to order expensive tests/procedures are more likely to order them.

Shocking to you... common sense to everyone else.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/06/01/090601fa_fact_gawande

Posted by: smomin1 | July 23, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

KRISTOL IS SUCH A "GIRLY MAN" HE THOUGHT IT APPROPRAITE TO TAKE A NOT SO SUBTLE SWIPE AT THE FIRST LADY (HOSPITAL VICE-PRESIDENTS MAKING $300,000 A YEAR). SUDDENLY I THINK LESS OF HARVARD HAVING LEARNED THAT HE TAUGHT THERE. GOODNESS, IS THAT THE BEST THEY COULD HAVE DONE?

Posted by: Anthony14 | July 23, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

More and more I have come to the realization that Obama does not know what he is talking about. Last night it was hard to watch him, he was all over the place and gave no specific answers to questions posted to him. I now think it was a big mistake to have him as a DEM candidate instead of Hillary. He seems to have a foot-stomping kind of naivite like a child "but I want it, and I want it now." Sorry thats not the way our government should work, you cannot demand to have healthcare reform in 2 more weeks. Thats insane. This should take long deliberations and discussions, not dictator-like "I want it now" philosophy.
Yama

Posted by: yamamama | July 23, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

The President either does not understand how medicine in the U.S. works or is intentionally try to mislead. When a decision is made for surgery the physician must provide the reason the surgery or test (medical necessity). These reasons are translated into codes listed by the International Classification of Diseases (ICD). Many payers (medicare for example) compare the ICD code provided and an approved list supporting the surgery. If the physician provides an ICD code that is not supported by the documentation this can be discovered by audit or statistical sampling.
If the documentation is false then nothing the federal government is going to do is going to have any impact anyway.

So why mislead? Why create huge systems to control cost when by the President's own admission they do not work they government currently controls cost (Medicare).

Bottom lets have real reform:
Tort Reform
Market incentives
Community risk rating plans
Portability


Posted by: texastaxpayer | July 23, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

The mere fact that Obama wasted time addressing the Cambridge incident is absurd. Shouldn't he be focusing on his plans for Communism?

Why would anyone want to pay the government more money, in order to fund healthcare that may be granted to illegal immigrants? Further, why would we want to additionally limit the incomes of doctors, who are already forced to abide by strict payment caps? Shouldn't we be encouraging the very brightest students to become doctors?!!!

In regards to the first blogger's comments about the Iraqi War: why would you make such a slanderous statement?! Shouldn't you be more concerned with earlier Saddam's genocides?!! And how is Iraq even related to this article...it isn't! Get over yourself, and try to support the troops that are currently in Iraq bringing hopes for democracy in a region that needs it the most.

Posted by: madeline1288 | July 23, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Cops and doctors? How dare he? Everyone who watches network TV knows that the police and doctors are nothing but superhuman heroes. How could 4,873 prime time dramas be wrong?

Posted by: woody2471 | July 23, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I bet both people had the evenings of their lifes. The policeman could show to a Harvard professor what will happen if he behaves bad and if he shouts to a policeman. And the Havard Professor probably never thought that he can get arrested for burglary in his OWN home.
Actually its always better to shup up if you dont know both sides of the story. Well, Obama made a mistake to mention it on the press conference and the policeman made a mistake to arrest a stressed old man who has lost his keys. All THREE people should have used their brains before acting...But with mention it on the press conference showed Obama only that hes only a human and that nobody, even not his presidential adviser, can stop him from saying what he thinks even if he is the Predident of the USA.

Posted by: washponlinereader99 | July 23, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"Juvenile happy talk..." Love it! How can we expect anything else from a man that spent around 151 days in the big leagues before we the people elected him to the highest office in the United States...

Posted by: sah2 | July 23, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Kristol is dead on. That professor was talking about a book deal and a documentary (and a sitcom, I think) about his experience just ten minutes after he was released. Sounds as if he planned the whole thing.

Posted by: fishcrow | July 23, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Today's Kristol column is once again pie-in-the-faceworthy. As always.

Also. He earns a second pie-in-the-face for the dig at the First Lady. Very clever, Bloody Bill, very clever.

Posted by: mcaicedo | July 23, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol you are so right. Obama just HATES docs and cops. I mean if I ever saw a man who just just pure rage against doctors and cops it is Barack Obama.

Are you kidding me? This is one of the worst columns I have ever read. Mr. Kristol, while you spend your time attacking Obama personally, thousands of people will die in this country because people like you want to halt any sort of attempt at health care reform.

Posted by: ral82 | July 23, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Thank you!

Obama is attacking the very people who will be taking care of patients - DOCTORS.

Let's see him spend 10 years in school, deal with useless bureacrats, fight with insurers,
and have $200K in med school loans.

"l, you know that Michelle was Vice President for Community and External Affairs, not "Government Relations." And she only made $273,000."


ONLY??? ONLY??????

That is a lot more than family practice docs. And it is also a lot more than what specialists would make if Obama's health destruction goes through. And Michelle Obama didn't plunk down $200 K in loans or spend her entire 20s in school.

I voted for Obama but I now loathe him and his wife and their relentless attacks on doctors. Their plan would put many private practices out of business, leaving more power in the hands of hospitals.

People who get stuck with large medical bills are those who have stayed overnight at a hospital.

Oh - and unless there is tort reform, doctors will still order tests.
But of course, the Obamas are lawyers.

I agree with yamamama - Hillary would have been much better.

Though now I am regretting not voting for McCain -Palin.

Posted by: Jules5 | July 23, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

True story: When I was much younger, a doctor once tried to press me to get a hymenectomy because he said that I would have a very traumatic "experience" otherwise. And then he got very gory and descriptive. I ignored his butt, because I knew it was all about money.

P.S. Obama messed up the story. Gates did not forget his keys. The door was jammed. But he was right that it was very, very stupid to arrest someone after they have proven themselves to be the lawful resident of a property.

Posted by: forgetthis | July 23, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Washington Post for having the moxie to present opposing ideas. With Mr. Kristol that's stretching the term. What is compassionate about undermining an issue that is so vital to every American? I bet he has a tremendous health care plan. So clearly for him there is no problem.

Oh, did I mention he is a racist, too? Compassionate indeed.

Posted by: TEDU | July 23, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

dRo89 wrote: "I think painting the physicians as money making fiends in their decision making is being naive at best."

Most of them have become so. I am a retired physician and I can vouch for the unnecessary tests many of them performed on my family members when I knew that very few of them are clinically justified. My wife went to an ophthalmologist for a minor eye problem and came back with a recommendation for a cosmetic surgery to her eyelids to make her "eyes look sparkling". I had to write a stinging rebuke to the eye specialist for his stupid recommendation. The physicians in this country accumulate a huge debt (at least 250,000 dollars before they graduate) and they are helpless to pay them back unless they get in league with their colleagues in ping-ponging patients for the mutual benefits of "all" concerned.
I do believe that many Pediatricians refer their patients unnecessarily to ENT specialists who in turn recommend tonsillectomies. President Obama is right in making that as an example.

"I have also been part of the Harvard system and its incredible arrogance and though I do believe racial profiling is a problem, I would side with the Cambridge Police on this matter as their account sounds more plausible."

I too was on the faculty of the Johns Hopkins medical system in Baltimore and seen the arrogance of Baltimore's white cops who often harassed non-white physicians when they were seen driving cars which were either expensive or of rare kind. I recall being stopped twice for driving a DeLorean car and asked to prove my ownership of the car merely because I am a non-white (Asian-American)!

The President is right in calling the Boston cop as stupid since those with greater power are obliged to show more restraint than the ones who have lesser power in a situation. In this instance, I can understand Professor Gates alleged unruly behavior even if it is unacceptable to the Cop since Gates has every right to be incensed when the Cop demanded that he prove his ownership of his home even after he showed his driver's license. The problem in our society is that many whites are incapable of putting themselves in the shoes of minorities who are often mistreated by the cops and judges in this nation. Racism is alive and well, but thank God the majority of whites seem to be coming out of their white superiority cloud. Otherwise I dont think Obama would have been elected as President.

Posted by: calexo | July 23, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Go take a chill pill Bill!

If you neo-cons had govern the country even remotely efficiently during the 20 of the last 28 years you held office instead of running it into the ground, we wouldn't be in the greatest recession since the 1930's...

Posted by: Citi_Street | July 23, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Why is this imbecile given a platform by The Post?

Who cares what he thinks?

What has he been right about?

Aren't there any credible consevatives out there to replace this fool?

I only wish Mr. Kristol could somehow trade places with one of the horribly wounded Iraq war veterens whom Mr. Kristol so cowardly advocated sending to do a job that he and his ilk never had the character or guts to do.

This chickenhawk is an insult to every veteren and The Post shames itself by giving THIS conservative, not all conservatives, a platform.

Posted by: toc59 | July 23, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

MR. KRISTOL, IT WOULD NEVER OCCUR TO YOUR DENSE BRAIN & PRIVILEGED POSITION TO UNDERSTAND UNJUSTIFIED MISTREATMENT BY THE POLICE. THE PRESIDENT UNDERSTANDS THAT AND THAT'S WHY HE EXPRESSED HIS DISGUST IN THOSE TERMS. THE GREAT NEOCON POLITICAL TACTICIAN AS YOU ARE SIR, YOUR ATTEMPT TO CREATE A WEDGE BETWEEN PEDIATRICIANS & THE PRESIDENT FAILS FLAT AS YOUR THREAT OF "GOING FOR THE KILL". THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE BEHIND THE PRESIDENT.

Posted by: belaywca | July 23, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

@ Digger

Considering the POTUS is a constitutional law scholar shouldn't he know that he needs more details before going out and slandering the Police officers in the incident?

Folks, believe it or not it's ok to question and criticize the POTUS actions. It's our job as US citizens.

Posted by: misty2 | July 23, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

There is no great answer for the hole in which we find ourselves than the fact that Kristol and his ilk are part of our debate. Really, the Taliban does less damage.

Posted by: mmax | July 23, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

O'Bama didn't bash the cops, he bashed the insurance companies. As for Prof. Gates, Bill Kristol is probably right; Larry Summers when Harvard's president had some choice criticisms of Gates: more politics than scholarship is his concern.

Posted by: ravitchn | July 23, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

O'Bama did not bash the doctors, he bashed the insurance companies. As for Gates, Kristol has his number all right.

Posted by: ravitchn | July 23, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse


Is this all you have, Kristol?

It took you ALL DAY to come up with this?

Lightweight.

Republicans ruled the roost for many years during Bush. They could have had their version of healthcare passed while taking care of their well-to-do buddies in the medical establishment, pharma and the hospitals.

But they didn't.

The Republicans didn't do much of anything, really, except dismantle as much oversight and regulatory order as possible. For this we got Katrina, Wall St. imploding, bad meat and Iraq.

Now Obama and the Dems are putting a mop and bucket to this mess and all we get is obstructionism with no real proposals on the table.

Go to your room Kristol and take the Grand Old Pity with you.


Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | July 23, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

No doubt in my own little fascist mind, Kristol should be deported.

He is an evil parasite who lives off of the DC's ruling establishment, the Neocons and Republican monolithic behemoth.

Yes, the WaPo exists only to serve the likes of the Bill Kristols of this world, the WaPo is their spiritual home.

Posted by: headylilacs | July 23, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I find it remarkable that the brilliant Mr. Kristol couldn't attack President Obama's health care plan on its merits. Rather he had to pick out two insignificant statements made by the President to write about. Apparently Mr.Kristol likes the America's current health care system and would like to see it perpetuated into the future.

Posted by: rclab | July 23, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Most American's will see senior executives and the wealthy getting excellent health care while they are standing in long lines only to be denied care.

Nothing President Obama said about health care passed the most generous smell test.

The priorities should be:
Portability
Cost
Access

Achieve Access by establishing a government supported buying group, not a government run health insurance plan. Members of the government supported buying group would be eligible only when they were unable to get health insurance through another commercially available buying group.

Regulate insurnace companies more aggressively to eliminate cherry picking subscribers and bring transparency to their business practices.

Cost will come down through regulation and, most importantly through behavior change.

Posted by: Bill_Weeks | July 23, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

People complaining that Kristal does not, "contribute to the intellectual debate" is priceless. I remember well all the lofty and 'intellectual debates' that democrats engaged in while Bush was President. Yeah, right.

Anyway, I do believe that health care should be reformed, but when you are talking about 11 percent of the economy it would be most beneficial to start reforming slowly and in increments rather than dumping a huge amount of idea's all at once. Do we know for sure how any of this is going to work?? Of course not, so you start slowly. I think everyone agrees something should be done, but it should be done in a deliberate, thoughtful way as opposed to slapping a hodgepodge of idea's together. Judging from the stimulus package given to us, Obama and the democrats do not know the meaning of any of that.

Posted by: kaymad | July 23, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

steveo11 wrote:

"So the President would rather have a government group decide if you need a medical procedure instead of the actual doctor who you know went to medical school."
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Good point except for one thing:

Right now it's the insurance companies (like Kaiser Permanente) that decide on whether a patient gets admitted or gets a procedure.

Posted by: hamptontonyc | July 23, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Ah come off it. Read the Cambridge Chronicle, the non kosher local, for a fair account of the folly of arresting Skip Gates and handcuffing him. One kind of tribalism doesn't deserve another, Willie.

Posted by: jnyren1 | July 23, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I just finished Googling "Republican plan for health care" and this is basically what I came up with:
"Republican lawmakers stepped up their opposition to Democrats' plans for overhauling the nation's health-care system, introducing legislation on Wednesday that would give Americans tax credits to pay for health insurance."

Tax credits, huh? That's it? I wonder how many of the 47 million uninsured have no significant income to claim a tax credit. I wonder how many of those who go to the emergency room for their primary care even fill out a tax form every year.
Yeah. Those I'm-for-the-little-guy Dixiepubs really care and have a plan for those who have no health insurance and have no way of paying for it.
What they fail by continuing to display their vicious, hypocritical, greedy philosophy is that they are engineering their own Waterloo. And the sooner the better.

Posted by: hyjanks | July 23, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

"Right now it's the insurance companies (like Kaiser Permanente) that decide on whether a patient gets admitted or gets a procedure".

Good point, but for now people have a choice on what kind of coverage they want to take. If they don't like how Kaiser permanent is treating them, they can go elsewhere. When you don't like the government decisions regarding your healthcare, who do you turn to??? Do we appeal to our congressman or directly to the President over a dispute on hip replacement?

Posted by: kaymad | July 23, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

hyjanks, why would it matter what republican idea's are for healthcare?? Are you saying democrats in congress would adopt them? Get serious. Democrats are running all branches of gov't and it's those idea's we are debating at this time.

Posted by: kaymad | July 23, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

How many of you including you Billy are from moderately high crime neighborhoods?

The crime rate is on the rise - due to poverty and the high numbers of felons that entered the country during the Bush administration.

I have good friends who are police officers - most of them are retired - most of them would admit that they have three weaknesses:

a. The law is so complex most officers aren't fully aware of what the appropriate behavior is in each situation. Recognition at 2 am of the situation is not easy.

b. They are sociologically conditioned to heed the advice of the matriarch figure.

A woman called in a break-in.

c. They often get big adrenalin rushes that overwhelm their judgment - going out late at night is very dangerous. - The husband of my mother's best friend went out to investigate a break-in one night - it was a setup and he was unmericlessly beaten by a gang of young black men for 2 hours. He never recovered completely.

So yes the officer was at fault but given the circumstances its forgivable and no one was hurt - thanks be to God.


Posted by: agapn9 | July 23, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Par for the course, and considering the mentality of liberals, not unexpected:

When liberals see individuals, corporations, and the government, all they see are dollar signs -- 'How do I get mine?!' - that's it.

A total and complete entitlement mentality, and anyone who god forbid disagrees with them is greedy, neanderthal, 'downright mean,' etc.

They radicalize themselves with such unbelievable hatred for others and the average person, that its incredible. They have become indoctrinated with the belief that they are the victim, the entire world of people and companies around them are evil greedy cheats, and hence radical transformation is needed, i.e. massive taxation and control from above.

Despite the US being the most open, welcoming, diverse, deliberative, stable, secure, and prosperous nation in human history, the far left tries its mightiest to paint it as 'dark and evil,' that is the only way to convince themselves and others of their agenda: "The masterpiece is imperfect!! Burn it!!"

By working themselves and others into a mass hysteria ("greedy rich folk!!" "evil companies!!") or just labeling anyone who disagrees with them ("obstructionist!!" "evil flag-waving neo-con!!") they do their best to deconstruct all the vast amount of data against them.

They have perfected closing their ears and running their mouths, deaf to the nation's complaints, and blind again to their impending fall.

They do their best to demonize, trivialize, or paint as greedy individual anyone and everyone who disagrees with them. Anyone, Democrat or otherwise who is to the right of their fringe believes, is simply de-humanized -- its much easier to hate and dismiss those who you barely consider people.

Telling a liberal, 'well gee whiz, I know there are some problems here, but there are also some great things about the US and its institutions both private and public, we don't necessarily need to penalize or raze them,' is the most insulting thing you can say to them. You must say that this nation, with all its successes, every nationality and religion, is indeed a failure and shameful, otherwise you will feel the wrath of an indignant, self-righteous, and pedantic liberal. "The US Flag is the symbol of evil!!!"

They are right, and YOU are a neanderthal -- all the evidence against socialism etc is simply a 'farce' or not shown in the right context.

It is the saddest commentary in the world, that the easiest way to get a standing ovation in front of a group of liberals, living in the US, taking the security, prosperity, and opportunities for granted, is to say 'damn the US of A! This is a failed and bad nation!!'

How shameful, how disgraceful -- entitled to the core: YOU work so WE can take YOUR money and tell YOU how to live and do what WE want to do.

Perhaps a son of immigrants can see how extraordinary this nation truly is, sadly the hate-America-first left never will.

Posted by: vipermd | July 23, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I wonder why Obama has to have a villain for every program he wants to push. So far, we have CEOs, banks, police, insurance companies, big oil, auto makers, rich people, GW, and now, doctors.
The Obama followers are blindly accepting his lies as gospel and are being led into a socialist America.

Posted by: HabanaJoe | July 23, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I THINK THE MAIN PROBLEM WITH POLICE BRUTALITY IS THAT THEY AREN'T MONITERED WHILE ON THE JOB. LIKEN IT TO HOW THE MILITARY HAS THOSE LITTLE CAMERAS ON THEIR HELMETS AND THE COMMANDING OFFICER IS OBSERVING WHAT THE SOLDIER'S DOING. THAT'S THE KIND OF MONITERING THAT IS NEEDED HERE. A CIVILIAN SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE OBSERVATION. ANY KIND OF POLICE BRUTALITY HAS GONE ON TOO LONG. PULL IT UP ON YOUTUBE! WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO END IT.. ALSO HAVE FASTER JAIL TIME. (LIKE AFTER THE SHIFT IS OVER)NOT AFTER A 2 WEEK PAID VACATION!

Posted by: jon30303 | July 23, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Re: Gates. The President overstepped big-time on this. No, he wasn't there. If I had a home in an upscale neighborhood like Gates (which I don't), and if I made 1/3 the money he makes (which I don't), and if some passer-by reported that someone just broke in the door to my home, shouldn't one's first reaction to quick police action be to say "hey, thank you for protecting my home???", and not "are you here harassing me because I'm black?" Obama is a good guy, and got my vote. But, if he's the president who will 'unite' us, calling police 'stupid', was itself way way out of bounds, when he has no knowledge of the circumstances. Mr. President, you promised to help lead us beyond race. Yesterday you took some steps backward.

Posted by: MCCMAC | July 23, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Shut up, Bill Kristol. You lied to get us into Iraq. Retire in shame, already. Nobody with a brain believes anything you've "contributed" during the Bush years, nor today. GO AWAY. The Washington Post doesn't need to go down in readership.

Posted by: fbutler1 | July 23, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Only 20% of medical doctors currently belong to the AMA - a fact that was absent when obama said they endorsed his healthcare plan.
After his comments last night I suspect the number is significantly less.
Ovioulsy the Gates question was a prepositioned soft ball to get obama off the hot seat - and to give him another chance to play the race card.
The wheels are coming off :-)

Posted by: thornegp1 | July 23, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

The juevenile happy talk is all yours Billy Boy.

Posted by: LifeBeforePrinciple | July 23, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Okay Bill....

1..You and your cronies had 8 years to fix the problem...instead you increased the cost of the medicare prescription program and essentially lied to Congress about the actual cost.

2. Do your cronies have a specific plan that can counter the Obama plan (which I am not so sure of...but its a start).

3. One night, while talking to someone about healthcare reform, I stated that all humans have a right to healthcare. The individual who is a neocon (I am more of a Lincoln Republican) disagreed and said that not everyone should receive healthcare. The scarey thing is that I think a lot of Neocons feel this way.

4. The cost of reforming healthcare will only increase over time. We are going to take a hit...so how about we not fight two front wars or start BS conflicts and use some of that defense funding for national security issues such as healthcare and education? Oh wait....those are not tangible assets that go boom!!!!!!

5. I believe it was in 1919 when WWI vets camped out on the mall protesting the lack of healtchare they received? Want to tell me how your cronies have helped our vets that have come back from your BS war in Iraq?????

Shut it Bill.....I'm tired of your neocon BS!!!!!

Posted by: chefra | July 23, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse


About Mr. Gates --

I can tell you from 6 degrees that "contempt of cop" will go awry for anyone, black or white.

I know of a white guy visiting Sunset Beach, NC who got up in some cop's face - they beat the daylights out of him. This works best for the P.D. when there are no witnesses, when it's your word against theirs.

My only advice is never lose your cool to a cop, because you just don't know if the officer is a good cop or a bad one. Most departments have both kinds.

On the other hand, Gates and his neighbors should do a better job of knowing each other, doncha think?

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | July 23, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

In reading some of the comments, it appears that those who oppose Obama's healthcare plan state valid reasons, while those who support Obama's plan instead place blame on the messenger (Kristol).

While Obama says there are 47 million without health insurance, 11 million are illegal aliens, there are young, healthy people who don't want it and there are rich people who don't need to buy health insurance because they could afford the medical bills.

So that leaves us with the unemployed, just under 3 million. Congress could very easily allocate money to the states and include these people in a program similar to CHIPS. This probably could have been done with the money wasted on almost 9000 earmarks in the Porkulus bill.

If the government fails in programs such as medicare fraught with fraud,the post office buying expensive houses for employees,social security having lavish junkets and gov't buying $2 million hams, what makes anybody sure they could run the proposed health care plan with any efficiency?

And that's not even mentioning the lack of accountability of the TARP funds.

Posted by: janet8 | July 23, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

@kaymad

And when you decide to go elsewhere and all the other insurance companies tell you to take a hike because you have a pre-existing condition then what are you gonna do...probably run to the gov for help

Posted by: jackspade | July 23, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a Fascist SOB who is destroying our Country. Nothing will stop this liar until we WAKE UP and say NO! The Liberal LEFT has brought us the high price of medical care and now they want to fix it by taking complete control! NO, NO, NO!

Posted by: chasvs1238 | July 23, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol, as understandable as it is that you would like to deflect attention from that "go for the kill" remark you made the other day, your attempt to change the subject will not work.

Your words brought into focus what many had already suspected: that you and many others in your party simply do not care about fixing this nation's health care system, but rather that you care solely about how the issue can be used to score political points. Thus, your credibility to speak or write on this issue is ZERO.

But then, do you have credibility to speak or write about ANY issue? One wonders. You were dead wrong about Iraq, a mistake which costs the lives of thousands. And you have been a key supporter of quite possibly the most unqualified human being ever to be placed on a presidential ticket in all American history, Sarah Palin.

Forgive me, sir, if I say that you are OUT OF YOUR MIND.

Posted by: Gladiator2008 | July 23, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

chefra states that all humans have the right to healthcare. So since we have this right, the government should pay for it??

How about the right to keep and bare arms? Should the government buy me a gun and ammo?? How about the right to practice my religion?? should the government build me a church and provide a driver for me to attend the church whenever I want??? How about the right to free speech?? Should the gov't pay for my tv program??

We have lots of rights, but it doesn't mean the government is going to spend money on providing them for us. What the government is suppose to do is get the hell out of the way and not block access to those rights. It's up to the INDIVIDUAL to provide for themselves. We are the United States of America, we are a people who use to take care of ourselves and each other, we did not depend on the government to do it for us. How far we have fallen.

Posted by: kaymad | July 23, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Given Obama's disastrous domestic and foreign policy decisions it is unlikely that he will recover from his downward slide in the polls. I see him being a one term loser akin to Jimmy Carter for the following reasons:

1. So little of his stimulus pork has even been spent as our economy continues to spiral downward that his efforts make Bush's handling of Hurricane Katrina look competent by comparison. I can't wait to see what the federal government has in store by taking over our health care.

2. He may snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq by his premature pull out thereby undoing all the hard work of our brave soldiers.

3. He misread and mishandled the revolution taking place in Iran. Democrats used to be the party that would champion democracy around the world. Obama thinks Hugo Chavez is great and seems to think the madman in Iran is acceptable. Of course his silly bow to a Saudi tyrant and his insulting adolescent denial set the stage for what a dim wit he would be on the foreign stage.

4. He will get bogged down in Afghanistan when we can least afford it because he has driven our country to its highest levels of indebtedness ever.

5. Americans will tolerate an incompetent president in foreign policy but when it comes to our economy they have little tolerance for high unemployment and a Jimmy Carteresque malaise.

6. Americans are becoming increasingly moderate to moderate/conservative and will not tolerate a socialist take over of our health care system which is the best in the world. Conservatives have won on a whole host of issues. Gun control is no longer even an issue. The majority of the population now opposes abortion and more and more people are supporting restrictions on abortion.

7. Obama did not receive a mandate and the Democrats have over reached and the country is growing tired of the incompetence and arrogance of Pelosi and Reid and of Obama's phony rhetoric, simplistic arguments and straw men.

He is a one term loser. Mark my words.

Posted by: djo4 | July 23, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

"if I were president of the United States, I might pause before casually accusing other Americans of acting stupidly unless I were confident I knew what I was talking about."

A pity that Kristol did not apply that standard to Bush 43's war of choice in Iraq.

Posted by: nospam4me | July 23, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Gladiator2008, many of the democrats who are working on this healthcare bill voted for the Iraq envasion. How can you trust them on something so important as this healthcare bill after they were so wrong on Iraq??

Posted by: kaymad | July 23, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

How many times must Obama show his weakness for Dems to start realizing that he is a poor president, and that his reputation will get worse with time, even before Christmas?

Wake up Dems. You all made a huge mistake.

Posted by: admt | July 23, 2009 2:53 AM | Report abuse
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Sorry admt, what weakness has Obama shown.
Please point it out for me.

Obama is doing a great job and by Christmas, the "Republican party of NO" will be of party the brain dead —just another group of people who have not idea what Americans want for our country!

Posted by: tinkabell1 | July 23, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Obama Polls Sinking Faster Than Teddy Kennedy’s Car

Posted by: UnitedWeStand | July 23, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Yes we need to control health care costs. No we don't need to choose red pill versus blue pill. Reform and progress require investment, and drug companies spend $B and many years to get safe, efficacious products to us. They have the right to expect a return on the investment hence high brand name drug costs. There are several other factors that need to be addressed such as health care portablibity, shopping across state lines, reducing paperwork, reducing duplicate tests etc. However, if not carefully constructed these will also raise the cost of health care.

Finally, let's examine the millions who don't have health care and we might find that many are between jobs, some are 'invinceable' and some just opt out. There are government supported programs for indigent families and we can adjust the COBRA system for reduced costs during job terminations.

Let's encourage safer, healthier lifestyles. But let's not try to fix this problem in 6 months! it took years to develop and an effective solution (s) may take a while to develop.

Posted by: MI-Sooner | July 23, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Right after Obama's last comments about if he were seen trying to jimmy open a door in DC he'd be shot and that Cambridge cops acted "stupidly" I turned to my wife and said that the first 58 minutes of the speech would breeze by and conservative attack dogs would key in on two sentences.

Gotcha journalism at its best. Ignore how serious this speech was and key in on a response to an off topic question.

You first chosen sentence about doctors doing un-neccessary procedure based on fee schedules........ummmmm yea it happens. Only a fool would believe that it doesn't or that it was directed at all "family" doctors. Nice attempt to slip the word family in there too; it gets us all emotional.

HACK

Posted by: theobserver4 | July 23, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Obama is doing a great job and by Christmas, the "Republican party of NO" will be of party the brain dead —just another group of people who have not idea what Americans want for our country!
Posted by: tinkabell1 |
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The party of no! That's soooo clever!! Did you think that one up yourself??

Posted by: kaymad | July 23, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

The truth truths doesn't it Kristol..you will make a mountain out of a mole hill with any comment that comes out of Obama's mouth that you can exploit.. It was "stupid" behavior for the cop to arrest a man in his own home. That cop obviously has an ego problem and prioritized his badge over using common sense. He wanted to be the bully and show Professor Gates who had the most authority in this situation..It was arrogant -stupid behavior and he owes professor Gates an apology.. and as far as the doctors are concerned there are good and bad ..ethical and unethical ones.. So don't try to pretend that there is no ethics issue with doctors.. I have had personal experiences with doctors who misdiagnosed symptoms ..ordered costly medicine which caused serious reactions in my body. One doctor ordered a drastic surgery for my Mother and we later found out she did not need and the removal of a part of her lung eventually killed her because she as she got older she asphyxiated and died. Obama was speaking truth to power which is something that you and your kind don't understand..everything that you do and say is to usurp Obama with the intent of gaining an upper hand. You people disgust me and I pray that thinking people everywhere will see right through your charade.

Posted by: sabrina2 | July 23, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Come on Bill. You have written some good stuff before, but this time not even you seem to buy your own balloney. Critisizing the healthcare plan is easy, but you offer no alternative and you have no adequate response for why care costs so much more in the US than elsewhere in the developed world. Not even once have I seen you seriously delve into the topic of what kind of care and quality of care Americans are getting for all that money. Not even once have you talked about the unbelievably huge sums of money that are gobbled up by healthcare administration. To be honest, you shouldn't be so sure you know what you're talking about.

Posted by: cascience | July 23, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

In rebuttal to President Obama on the Gates matter:

If you were riding a subway train late at night, and there were few other people present, which would make you feel safer?

a) A bunch of cops (all races) boarded your train; or

b) A bunch of militant left-wing blacks (like Gates) boarded your train?

I would definitely choose a).

I side with the cops.
Only liberals like Obama and Gates find the use of force so icky--whether it's by cops or armies.

Posted by: sinz52 | July 23, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Another great one from Dan Quayle's Chief of Staff - what else need one say? Your dad had some brains and you have none!

Posted by: KrautKiller | July 23, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

"I work in the healthcare industry and know a lot of doctors. They work hard for their money. I have know very, very, very few who placed money above what is best for the patient.........."

Posted by: georgeerrn | July 23, 2009 12:02 AM

I am a 30 year old male and was diagnosed with high cholesterol at 27 by my doctor. He tried to put me on Lipitor....

They do whats best for the patient, really??

Posted by: TechGeneration | July 23, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

The last time I checked this moron had no expertise in health care. When was the last this hypocrite, coddled by the corporate media like the Washington Post, never expressed any concern over the deficits when the republicans gave away trillions of dollar to the wealthy. It is interesting that these unscrupulous right wingers suddenly become deficit hawk when it comes to spending for the benefit of people other than wealthy. A decent health care should be a right, not a priviledge. Why don't we away health care for him and his family....that is the right thing to do.

Posted by: kevin1231 | July 23, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Obama has only done one thing successfully in his whole life: run for office.

Governing is not campaigning, Mr. President. The American people may have been entranced by your prowess at the latter, but everyone is becoming wide awake and fully aware of your ineptitude at the former.

I laugh at how you opened last night talking about all of the things you have "fixed" in the economy. Do you really believe your own BS? Because no one else does. If this is how you plan to "fix" health care and energy, thanks but no thanks.

And the official ruling on last night's pep rally......

"Sacked. Ten-yard loss. Loss of down. Fourth and 20."

Posted by: etpietro | July 23, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE WASHINGTON POST: LOOSE THIS HACK AND LET FOX NEWS PICK HIM UP WHERE HE CAN JOIN ALL THE OTHER BRAINLESS PARTISANS WITH NOTHING TO OFFER BUT DEATH AND DESTRUCTION.

Posted by: sjoyce4 | July 23, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"Gladiator2008, many of the democrats who are working on this healthcare bill voted for the Iraq envasion. How can you trust them on something so important as this healthcare bill after they were so wrong on Iraq??"

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It's spelled "invasion", not "envasion".

And my answer to your question is, very easily, because those Democrats and a good many moderate Republicans were LIED TO by Dick Cheney and his Neo-Con cheerleaders, of which Mr. Kristol was one of the most prominent.

They wanted that war and were willing to say absolutely anything to get it -- and unfortunately, they succeeded.

And by the way, I'm glad you acknowledge in the premise of your question that the Iraq war was a mistake. It's good that both sides are coming to a consensus on that issue.

Posted by: Gladiator2008 | July 23, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Let's cut out trial lawyers and hospital administrators - that 'll save a TON Of money.


Oh wait, but then what will Michelle Obama do in 8 years ???
And Obama's lawyer buddies?

Posted by: Jules5 | July 23, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I turned to my wife and said that the first 58 minutes of the speech would breeze by and conservative attack dogs would key in on two sentences.

Gotcha journalism at its best. Ignore how serious this speech was and key in on a response to an off topic question.
Posted by: theobserver4

Wow, you are like this great seer. Imagine someone of a different party actually not agreeing with "the one".
Do you people REALLY believe that just because it's Obama, and he is black and young and all those reasons you voted for him, that everyone else would suddenly just stop thinking for themselves??? Politics go on, politics will always be played like this even while Obama is President! Sorry about that.

And why is every damn speech and news conference Obama gives so serious and breathtakingly important? I can just see theobserver4 sitting in front of his tv, watching breathlessly as Obama speaks, hanging on his every word as an historical moment on par with the Gettysburg address. In 40 years he'll be able to tell his grandchildren exactly where he was and what he was doing as Obama gave this great speech.

Posted by: kaymad | July 23, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I'm amazed at the personal attacks on Bill instead of comments on the subject, but I've found this is how most liberals operate.

Posted by: lbh985 | July 23, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

The Gates issue is much more about class than race. Its about a Harvard professor who is friends with the president getting in the face of a blue collar guy doing his job and saying "do you know who I am do not f with me!!!"
If we changed the races of the actors in this drama we'd all be waiting for the black cop to club this loser.
Gates thinks this is racism because he is a professor of racism. People use the tools they know.

Posted by: bob29 | July 23, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I am not a black or white but let's face it a lot of cops (regardless of skin color) abused or misused their power since they have the laws in their hands. If I were Gates and being subject to the kind of treatment of the Boston police, I would be mighty pissed off too. The white did not have any common sense in dealing with the situation. Even if Gates were belligerent; there was absolutely no need to handcuff him and charge him with disorderly conduct. That's just the cop's way of showing who's the boss. It's a pity but it's a fact of life just about anywhere when people in power ALWAYS abuse their power in one form or another. I agreed with the President's assessment that the cop acted the stupidly.

Posted by: Bangkokian | July 23, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Billy-boy, you either know little about the inside workings of health care reimbursement and the real life workings of cops and Black people on the streets, or you are just flailing for something negative to say about Obama. I think we all know which.

The "red pill / blue pill" image was pretty simplistic, but also understated the problem by many orders of magnitude. Hospital adminstrators build (well-paid) careers around maximizing reimbursement for standard procedures (who's really in the OR doing anesthesia....?) There's a pile of money to be saved.

As to picking on cops, look at the facts of the case.

Or don't bother, and just put out the usual screed.

Posted by: JoeODonnell | July 23, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I turned to my wife and said that the first 58 minutes of the speech would breeze by and conservative attack dogs would key in on two sentences.

Gotcha journalism at its best. Ignore how serious this speech was and key in on a response to an off topic question.
Posted by: theobserver4

Wow, you are like this great seer. Imagine someone of a different party actually not agreeing with "the one".
Do you people REALLY believe that just because it's Obama, and he is black and young and all those reasons you voted for him, that everyone else would suddenly just stop thinking for themselves??? Politics go on, politics will always be played like this even while Obama is President! Sorry about that.

And why is every damn speech and news conference Obama gives so serious and breathtakingly important? I can just see theobserver4 sitting in front of his tv, watching breathlessly as Obama speaks, hanging on his every word as an historical moment on par with the Gettysburg address. In 40 years he'll be able to tell his grandchildren exactly where he was and what he was doing as Obama gave this great speech.

Posted by: kaymad

-I'm an independent. Always will be.....I think the 2 corrupt parties should be broken up into coalitions so there would be forced dialog between all interested parties instead of "whips" that force people down the same fork in the road day in and day out.

If Kristol would have argued against the content and baselines that Obama was stating he wanted to see in the bill then it'd be great and worthy of being published and read. Let's hear some alternatives and why he doesn't want to see alterations to our payment system etc. Kristol did none of that. I'm hardly a genius for guessing that certain Neocon hacks would key in on that last comment and attempt to hijack the conversation rather than focus on the real problems of the day. It's because Neocons have nothing to offer.

Health care matters that's why I watched this speech. It's the first speech of Obama's that I've watched in its entirety for over a month; so don't put words in my mouth about all his speeches being important. More often than not he's just getting out there to get exposure. I don't tune in for that stuff.

Posted by: theobserver4 | July 23, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

As a white guy, I have learned show ID, thank the cops and move on. Gee guess that's something blacks don't yet know as per Mr. Obamba last night.

I will not be a victim!

Posted by: robinhood2 | July 23, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to ask Obama:

How many lawyers work for free?

How can you expect a doctor to perform a procedure when he won't get paid enough to cover his own costs???

Posted by: Jules5 | July 23, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

If cops jailed every person acting arrogantly, the jails would be overflowing with arrogant people and in all liklihood Mister Kristol would become a long term resident.

Posted by: proctor1 | July 23, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a bully to those he thinks he can push around. He is limp wristed when opponents hold high ground or show an unwillingness to bend.

He is NOT what was advertised last fall. A POST PARTISAN MEDIATOR. He is just a run of the mill liberal, a bully and a coward. That is why he beats up on the hapless republicans and why he defers to the NANCYs in the House. And that is why he will fail.

Posted by: burkn123 | July 23, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Look, I'm a retired criminal defense lawyer; I did appeals for 16 years. Anyone who thinks that racial profiling and "driving while black" just disappeared when Obama was elected is out of their minds.

Racial profiling is not only alive and well in the United States, 3/4s of our law enforcement is based on it.

Anyone who doesn't get that is just kidding themselves or has no experience out there at all - Kristol. You don't have clue - you're an over-privileged white man and have no basis to even discuss this.

Posted by: Tena1 | July 23, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I love how Obama Hacks flood the comment section to attack anyone who dares to critize The ONE.

You guys are so predictable. But it is already getting old and Obama's presidency is only 6 months in. You guys are in for a LONG FALL. As is the Bigger they are, the Harder they FALL.

Posted by: burkn123 | July 23, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Kristol was perfectly happy for Iraqi's to recieve our "Government" insurance! We have spent BILLIONS over there, but God help us if we want to use our taxes to help Americans! Why anyone would listen to this nimrod is beyond me. Kristol and his buddies, Cheney, Perle, Krautie,etc. ran things for 8 years, leading the country straight to hell in every area! Go home little man and play with some action figures in your bedroom, it would be the one good thing you can do for your country!!!

Posted by: ctalbot4 | July 23, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

It is my medical opinion as one of those money hungry doctors that Mr. Obama is a narcissistic megalomaniac, ICD-9CM codes 301.81 and 307.9.

Posted by: mbrg | July 23, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I am surprised that the President of the United States would even get involved in a local matter when in fact, he has not had all the facts. To critize someone of being stupid while acknowledging that he does not have all the facts is in itself not very thoughtful.

Posted by: qman54 | July 23, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

What sane person, having entered his home through an alternate entrance, returns to the offending door and breaks it down?

Answer: someone in serious need of anger management sessions; and, someone who doesn't own the home. Notice, most stories state that Gates called Harvard's real-estate office to have someone come over immediately to fix his door. I'm sure that person got an earful from the professor.

Obama, having admitted he didn't have all the facts, should never have characterized the Cambridge police as 'stupid'. He's dealt a serious blow to public safety and I hope that every police union in the country will call him on it.


Posted by: alto1215 | July 23, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes I think that President Obama is the last grownup in America. And psycho-twits such as Bill Kristol seem bound and determined that there shall be no adults at all left in our country to actually think clearly and speak honestly. His model for leadership is exemplified by a psychotic Cheney and an infantile Palin.

Posted by: eheath1 | July 23, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

As someone else said to me yesterday, "Obama's more concerned with Jews building houses than he is about Iranians building nuclear weapons." The guy concerns himself with the smallest of things. Maybe he'll suggest how many squares of toilet paper Americans should use next.

Posted by: sperrico | July 23, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"He is, after all, a Harvard professor. I was once a Harvard professor, and my instinct is to side with the Cambridge cops."

Of course Mr. Kristol has never been arrested in his own home for the "crime" of being a Black man in America. Racist Creep.

Posted by: lmwilker | July 23, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"...back in the late 1990s, when Ira Katznelson, an eminent political scientist at Columbia, came to deliver a guest lecture. Prof. Katznelson described a lunch he had with Irving Kristol [founder of the American Enterprise Institute and Bill Kristol's father] during the first Bush administration.

“The talk turned to William Kristol, then Dan Quayle’s chief of staff, and how he got his start in politics. Irving recalled how he talked to his friend Harvey Mansfield at Harvard, who secured William a place there as both an undergrad and graduate student; how he talked to Pat Moynihan, then Nixon’s domestic policy adviser, and got William an internship at the White House; how he talked to friends at the RNC [Republican National Committee] and secured a job for William after he got his Harvard Ph.D.; and how he arranged with still more friends for William to teach at Penn and the Kennedy School of Government.

“With that, Prof. Katznelson recalled, he then asked Irving what he thought of affirmative action. ‘I oppose it,’ Irving replied. ‘It subverts meritocracy.’”

Posted by: WhatHeSaid | July 23, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

To: theobserver4

This is the first speech you have observed in its entirety in over a month. WOW. That must have been his last press conference or possibly the ABC Special... This issue is getting talked to death. Let me be clear to all the Kool Aid drinkers out there.

The problem with Health Care in this country is the COST. Not Availability. Medicare and Medicaid are the worst run health organizations around. FIX THEM FIRST!!! Then come and talk to me about how you can save us some money.

Posted by: burkn123 | July 23, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

eheath1 says, Sometimes I think that President Obama is the last grownup in America.
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eheath1, you really shouldn't look for a daddy figure in a politician, you'll always be disappointed. Hopefully mental health will be covered in the healthcare reform, because there seem to be a whole lot of democrats who need some serious therapy.

Posted by: kaymad | July 23, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Mr Kristol says:

"Does Obama really think pediatricians knowingly order unnecessary tonsillectomies in order to “make a lot more money?” Isn’t this a rather casual slander of a lot of doctors? And in any case, is this what’s driving up health-care costs?"

Mr Kristol wrongly suggests that if health care reform reduces medical costs at the end of life, this must be at the expense of good care and necessary treatment. Recent research confirms what we’ve learned from decades of experience improving care and expanding end-of-life choices: More treatment does not mean better care. Futile and painful end-of-life procedures often yield nothing but needless suffering, even as they add great expense.

10% of all Medicare costs occur in the final 30 days of life. Most of the money in those last 30 days pays for intensive care and invasive, unwanted treatments intended to extend life, like feeding tubes and mechanical ventilators.

Ironically, these exorbitantly expensive procedures do not even serve their goal. A large, authoritative study appearing this March. concluded higher medical costs in the final week of life were associated with more physical distress and worse overall quality of death, but no difference in survival rates.

Yet patients who discuss end-of-life preferences with their doctors are more likely to select hospice care. But fee-for-service payment systems encourage doing as many things to people near death as is medically possible.

We need a health care system that pays doctors to talk with patients about peaceful endings when death is imminent and for hospice care as readily as for intensive care.

True reform will remake this profit-centered industry into a patient-centered one that will deliver the comfort care and supportive services people truly want and need at the end of life.

Carla Axtman
Online Community Builder
Compassion & Choices
compassionandchoices.org

Posted by: CarlaAxt | July 23, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Certainly Bill, you have highlighted 2 major slippages of the tongue in a very carefully scripted Obama talking points that was intended to use his rhetorical ability to circle the wagon and not deliver facts.

I am frankly surprised about his rush to state that the police acted stupidly when we don't know what happened between this professor and the police. I guess that the best answer is that black profiling permeated this exchange. But, how about this professor perhaps behaving in a manner that could have been disrespectful to the officers? So, Mr. Obama's statement showed bias as he stated and a rush to judgement.

I found more amazing his ease at easily making a detrimental statement on a medical practitioner as if this would occur routinely among our family doctors. I happen to value those doctors that still try to survive and provide good care and believe me they are disappearing fast. Obama is counting on the support of the medical profession, such as the AMA, and this could be changing rapidly. A great majority of doctors are in opposition of the AMA decision and the president's bill.

Obama was certainly his usual professorial and articulate last night and with an ease that needs to be examined more carefully. Where were the FACTS and DETAILS that the american people need to hear about? How will it be implemented and how much will it cost?

His tactics are to attack the pharmaceutical industries and the insurance groups as he tries to get us into his socialized one single provider option. He is parting from a wrong promise as the government has TOTALLY FAILED to properly manage MEDICARE and MEDICAID. And now he wants government bureaucracy to manage all of our country: this is Obama's Aquilles heel. I trust that the american people are smart enough to recognize that this plan as it evolves is nothing but crazy and totally against our core values.

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

burkn123, you should add VA to your list of poorly run government healthcare. My husband is retired military and 60 percent disabled, he finally gave up on the VA system, they made it next to impossible to register! It was months before he could get an mri, and the appointment for that was never made, he finally just gave up.

Posted by: kaymad | July 23, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I don't know which is more appropriate? The First Racist or the Slander in Chief?

Posted by: ArlingtonHokie | July 23, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"Does Obama really think pediatricians knowingly order unnecessary tonsillectomies in order to “make a lot more money?”

Billy-boy we all realize that you are monumentally naive (after all you are one of the fools who brought Sarah Palin to the national stage) but I think the above takes the cake.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | July 23, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

racial profiling is about stereotypes, not racism. there's a difference.

obama shouldnt have addressed the gates question so candidly and should retract "stupidly." ..that said, i think the cops acted stupidly bc by law he can say whatever(non-threating) he wants to whomever he wants inside his home. he's an old man arrested for hurting a cops feelings

Posted by: trulyabrown | July 23, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Accusing the entire medical profession of rampant malpractice just to make a profit is pretty sick and twisted. At best, indicative of someone who's live an insular life in an academic cocoon. Unwittingly, Obama has described his own plan: i.e. over-prescribing major government run *surgery* to a health care system when basic medication will do. Outlawing private individual health insurance in favor of Government, i.e., "public", insurance will be a disaster. I don't mind private health insurance being mandated, but Insurance companies need to be able to sell policies across states lines and it should be portable across employers and self employment. Federal law should also require private options for *unlimited* catastrophic care with high deductibles and no co-pay. The Federal government should also subsidize or loan money to individuals for Medicaide or the existing Federal Employee Health Plan only for those who truly cannot afford it..maybe 10 million people at worst.

And God forbid, the Government should not ever subsidize illegal immigrants or abortion procedures

Some pretty basic stuff will solve some very specific problems

Posted by: tom2 | July 23, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I think it's funny when a huge majority of the police in this country treat people like garbage and then whine when they rightly take heat for it.

Also lol @ Kristol as a Harvard Professor. What did you teach, Panting After Alaskan Hotties 101?

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | July 23, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Bill, why do you bother writing for a rag like the post. These people don't appreciate you and your opinions.

Go over to the Washingtion Times, they know how to treat a great american like you.

Posted by: CED2 | July 23, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Do doctors pick treatments for financial reasons? As somebody who works in healthcare, I can say that if you doubt that, then you're ignorant about what really happens, Mr. Kristol. Contrary to popular belief, the financial pressures on physicians are enormous, and the current system is stacked in favor of conflicts of interest. To the specific example given, since tonsils are prone to infection and the surgery is now pretty much an outpatient procedure, it is very easy to rationalize just removing them -- despite the risk that ANY surgery carries.

As for what happened in Boston, Henry Gates's behavior was completely in compliance with Massachusetts law. The officer in question's behavior was at best a questionable interpretation of his authority combined with racial implications that should have been easy to predict for any cop on the street in a multiracial city.

Posted by: DAMurphy99 | July 23, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

"I'm amazed at the personal attacks on Bill instead of comments on the subject, but I've found this is how most liberals operate."

Apparently you're not very familiar with Billy-boy. That or you're an ignorant Repuke. Or both. That's how *I* operate, b itch.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | July 23, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Absolutely right, Mr. Kristol. Obama's attacks on doctors and policemen without proven facts are just examples of a much deeper malaise with this president - the shameful and repetitive lying in quest to pass his socializing agenda. There are so many inexactitudes and uncorroborated statements of facts in his speeches that swamp the public, the media, and the analysts to a degree that it is impossible to check them all or even discuss them. We are now approaching the point where serious thought should be given in forming a special citizen’s fact checking group that will make public fact-finding results of these lies and consider opening serious impeachment proceedings based on the premeditation of an elected president to purposely lie to the American people.

Posted by: JohnGalt9 | July 23, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

unpluggedboodah, do you obsess much over all woman, or is it just Sarah Palin?? You need some help to get over this stalker mentality.

Posted by: kaymad | July 23, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I thought Kristol was a big supporter of U.S. Government health care, he seemed proud and happy when Iraqi's were receiving it! We have spent BILLIONS over there, but God help us if we want to use our taxes to help Americans! Why anyone would listen to this nimrod is beyond me. Kristol and his buddies, Cheney, Perle, Krautie,etc. ran things for 8 years, leading the country straight to hell in every area! Go home little man and play with some action figures in your bedroom, it would be the one good thing you can do for your country!!!

Posted by: ctalbot4 | July 23, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Police officers will lie rather than face the consequences of their actions. According to one judge "unfortunately for you I must believe the police officer."

Posted by: scarpia | July 23, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I wonder what O'Bama's behavior would be like if he were in Gates' situation, trying to get into his home and looking like a burglar. Would he lose his cool? Would he do the arrogant black shtick like Gates?

Posted by: ravitchn | July 23, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Starting with the tabloid title, everything about Mr. Kristol's comments is simply wrong. Thank you Washington Post, for printing a column by somebody who has no actual knowledge about any of the topics he discusses. This is journalism at its best.

Posted by: jamesgshannon | July 23, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Absolutely amazing! A well educated black professor gets in a policeman's face because his neighbor thought someone was breaking into his house & he got a very prompt police response. We should all be so lucky!

Get a life professor!

Instead of getting into their face, he should have explained & thanked them for a rapid response. I'm sure they would have left, happy to be about their other work.

Instead his immediate response is that he was a victim of "Racial Profiling". Is it any wonder that folks get tired of that constant refrain. I'm a 77 year old white man & I go through taking off my shoes & on occasion special luggage screening every time I fly.

I'd rather they spent less time on me & concentrated more on young men/women who look Arabic & don't much give a damn if that is called racial profiling or not.

Again; get a life professor!

Posted by: pat1652 | July 23, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Absolutely amazing! A well educated black professor gets in a policeman's face because his neighbor thought someone was breaking into his house & he got a very prompt police response. We should all be so lucky!

Get a life professor!

Instead of getting into their face, he should have explained & thanked them for a rapid response. I'm sure they would have left, happy to be about their other work.

Instead his immediate response is that he was a victim of "Racial Profiling". Is it any wonder that folks get tired of that constant refrain. I'm a 77 year old white man & I go through taking off my shoes & on occasion special luggage screening every time I fly.

I'd rather they spent less time on me & concentrated more on young men/women who look Arabic & don't much give a damn if that is called racial profiling or not.

Again; get a life professor!

Posted by: pat1652 | July 23, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Kristol is worried about the salary of hospital administrators but says nothing about the insurance industry skimming billions out of the health care system? Insurance companies do not provide health care, why then are they entitled to make billions from it and still deny many people life-saving procedures or any insurance at all? All he does is criticize President Obama.
Kristol needs a proof reader to correct his improper tense and sentence structure.

Posted by: clairevb | July 23, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Where is the actual rush to implement a plan that will drastically change our society?

Frankly I put very little trust in the Executive or Legislative branch.

So, how about a totally independent Commission selected by the american people to be charged to make recommendations to the american people about a proposed health care reform plan.

This group will be charged with:

1)A full review of MEDICARE and MEDICAID as the existing programs. Study the paperwork that these programs have created and the FRAUD and MISUSE rampant in these programs.

2)A study of the Pharmaceutical industry and its influence in our Helth care system.

3)A study of the Insurance companies and their relevance in our medical system.

4)A study of the medical profession and medical technology in our society and its role in the future of our society.

5)A study of where WE want to go in Health care as a capitalistic society and the most powerful country in the world.

No serious plan can be formulated without all of the above elements being looked at carefully and NEITHER the President nor Congress are the best tools to make such a monumental decision affecting the future of our society.

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse


Obama is a Fascist SOB who is destroying our Country. Nothing will stop this liar until we WAKE UP and say NO! The Liberal LEFT has brought us the high price of medical care and now they want to fix it by taking complete control! NO, NO, NO!

Posted by: chasvs1238 | July 23, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

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Yep. It must be the Left that is causing rising prices in medical care. When the Right is mentally ill, they don't seek treatment at all. NO, NO, NO!

Posted by: dfc102 | July 23, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"..........consider opening serious impeachment proceedings based on the premeditation of an elected president to purposely lie to the American people."

Posted by: JohnGalt9 | July 23, 2009 11:37 AM


U MEAN LIKE GEORGE BUSH??

Posted by: TechGeneration | July 23, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I'm amazed at the personal attacks on Bill instead of comments on the subject, but I've found this is how most liberals operate.

Posted by: lbh985 | July 23, 2009 10:56 AM
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Try again. Most folks posting here this morning FIRST point out exactly why Bill's comments are dishonest and disingenuous. THEN many attack him personally. In other words, first they lay out their case and convict, then they punish. That's perfectly reasonable.

In case you're hard headed and didn't catch the salient points:

1) Many doctors (and Obama did not say "family"--Kristol dishonestly added that bit) DO prescribe unnecessary treatment. Happens ALL the time. Obama, in his illustration, simplified the moral calculus that goes on in those cases, but the results are exactly what he purports in too many instances. There is incentive in our current profit-oriented system to do this; that incentive is removed in a single-payer system, BTW.

2) Second, Obama pointed out that the Cambridge Police Dept. withdrew the charges against Prof. Gates and apologized for their officer's actions. That officer has not yet apologized personally and clearly has a chip on his shoulders. That's stupid and Obama called it like he saw it. Good for him. Obama has tons of experience in the field of race profiling: lots more than blowhard Kristol.

Obama knows, as every competent police chief knows, that officers have first to determine if a crime is likely to have been committed and if there is danger. Then, when they find out that none of the above is the case, they MUST back off and take just about whatever the "public" dishes back at them in righteous indignation. This is especially true when dealing with older folks, who often are not shy about expressing their irritation with police and really, really especially the case if the innocent person is a prominent minority. I have known a number of police and they have all described this scenario: an irate member of the public screaming epithets at them and they just do their jobs without letting things get personal. That's what they're trained to do. Failing to do that is stupid.

This cop let his emotions and possibly prejudices get in the way of doing his job. The fact that he won't personally apologize--as far as I've as of this morning--is damning. In my town, the police chief would have fired him by now. He went way out of bounds. He acted stupidly.

Posted by: abqcleve | July 23, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Sophistry and spin from Kristol.

Washington Post = New York Post for the semi-literate

Posted by: alarico | July 23, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

A couple of comments:
- many of posts attacking Mr Kristol are stuck in the political issues surrounding Iraq and Bush Derangement Syndrome and have little if anything to do with the issues facing us today in attempting to reform health care.
- Congress should be required to participate in any health care plan that they design for the rest of us as a safeguard. If it's not good enough for them it's not good enough for me or you.
- the only way to provide more health care to more people for less money is to ration care.
- while there are certainly wide variations in regional patterns of health care as pointed out by several people - the assumption that " best practice patterns" will reduce cost and improve outcomes are very suspect. Recently Medicare reversed itself on management of diabetes when the " best practice" recommendations for hospital patients to have very tight blood sugar control was subsequently shown to increas patient deaths.

Posted by: jbromj | July 23, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"unpluggedboodah, do you obsess much over all woman, or is it just Sarah Palin?? You need some help to get over this stalker mentality.

I obsess over your mom. But it's hard not to when she wears those tiny panties.

btw between the Post paying people to do interviews and the losers they keep allowing to write editorials, I assume the 'paper' is headed for extinction before long.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | July 23, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

some facts usually help. the government plan is private insurance. half the federal payroll is on Blue Cross. the "red pill-blue pill" point is right on point - the drug folks keep blocking Medicare's efforts to not pay for a drug unless it's either better or safer than existing drugs if it costs more. the drug folks have bought enough congressmen to prevent that, which is why we see ads on TV for drugs you can pressure your doc into prescribing for fear you will switch docs.

the fearmongering is predictable. no one is proposing to limit your choices or care - you don't have to change plans or coverage if you don't want to. but we can save money by getting rid of the abuses our current system has spawned that don't contribute anything to anyone's health except the health of some wallets. those choices we need to restrict.

Posted by: JoeT1 | July 23, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

How is it that mediocrities like Mr. Kristol get so much media space? If there is racism in this country, which surely there is as even our president acknowledges, it is also reflected in the large amounts of space given by the national media to well-connected party hacks, like Mr. Kristol, who also tend to be white. Mr. Kristol's drivel, juvenile in tone and content, would have been rejected by even an editor of a small town newspaper if it were to be sent in by an ordinary American. It is a pity that the editors of the WP lets him in so easily and so often.

Posted by: tarle_subba | July 23, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

1. This is not leadership
2. I guarantee you BHO has never filed a health insurance form as it is clear he doesn't know the most basic fact about consumer/health care mechanics.
3. Is this stethoscope envy?
4. What an insulting, ungracious POTUS we are stuck with.

Posted by: realitybased1 | July 23, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

You don't need to know every detail of the Henry Louis Gates fiasco to know that the Cambridge cops acted "stupidly." Short of assault, which nobody suggests, what would justify the Cambridge cops arresting him? He had already proven to the cops that he lived in the house. Belligerence is not illegal. Exhibiting disrespectful behavior toward the police on his own property is no cause for arrest, and that was demonstrated by the fact the charges were subsequently dropped.

Posted by: Menidia | July 23, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"if I were president of the United States, I might pause before casually accusing other Americans of acting stupidly unless I were confident I knew what I was talking about."

The president is a constitutional law scholar. Think about it.
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So he really should know better than to publicly side with his friend without taking the time to find out what happened.

Posted by: ZZim | July 23, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

unpluggedboodah, that's hilarious! And clever! But admit it, you know you obsess of Sarah Palin and her daughter..Go ahead and admit it, it's okay, you're a democrat so anything goes.

Posted by: kaymad | July 23, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Accusing the entire medical profession of rampant malpractice just to make a profit is pretty sick and twisted. At best, indicative of someone who's live an insular life in an academic cocoon. Unwittingly, Obama has described his own plan: i.e. over-prescribing major government run *surgery* to a health care system when basic medication will do. Outlawing private individual health insurance in favor of Government, i.e., "public", insurance will be a disaster. I don't mind private health insurance being mandated, but Insurance companies need to be able to sell policies across states lines and it should be portable across employers and self employment. Federal law should also require private options for *unlimited* catastrophic care with high deductibles and no co-pay. The Federal government should also subsidize or loan money to individuals for Medicaide or the existing Federal Employee Health Plan only for those who truly cannot afford it..maybe 10 million people at worst.

And God forbid, the Government should not ever subsidize illegal immigrants or abortion procedures

Some pretty basic stuff will solve some very specific problems

Posted by: tom2 | July 23, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse
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Tom2,

Here are some sensible suggestions and these are the points that WE need to be exploring.

Yes, there is time for Health Care reform to improve our system but the radical changes proposed by our inexperienced president are totally out of league and certainly way removed of our way of life. His use of the likability factor to quickly mesmerize us to change our freedom of choices in our way of life, speak loudly and clearly of the route this President is taking to a totalitarian regime. Certainly it speaks volumes of Obama's early acquaintaces.

We are smarter than that and can see through the smokescreen.

Bill, this newspaper and the many liberal nuts that it caters to do not deserve your intellect.

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I compliment the Post on having Kristol as a commentator. Why? It exposes a one-dimensional point of view for the world to see. Keep it coming.


My own physician recently ranted about how he can only spare 10 minutes for a checkup since the reimbursements are so low. All doctors have to hire people just to deal with the insurance companies. Does this improve medical care? It is passing on the costs to doctors and putting undue constraints on choices. Clearly, Obama was criticizing the current insurance system and not family doctors who have enough on their plate. There is no incentive anymore to be a family physician.

I guess Mr. Kristol prefers this system. I doubt he has experienced the dimishing health care that most of us have experienced.

Posted by: FoolForNews | July 23, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

The great illusion of the conservative, the circular logic argument. His point about the blue pill/ red pill and "has anyone thought of it" is ludicrous. The Republican majority had a chance with Medicare part b to insure lower costs through mandating generics and allowing the government to negotiate price with big pharma on name brands. i.e. bulk pricing over retail, they chose retail. similar to red pill/ blue pill as I see it
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Another one I heard yesterday from the misinformation machine was that it was a bad idea to tax tobacco to pay for health care because as people stopped smoking the revenue would drop. That is true, however the pundit forgot to add the beneficial effects of less smokers to the health care system and the economy. Certainly the perpetuation of half-truth. Mr. Kristol you are truly a master, and I can't believe anyone takes you seriously anymore. You have been SSSS wrong so many times.

Posted by: ripper368 | July 23, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Whether you see a neighborhood doctor or one attached to the massive Obamacare program, you will still be asked to bend over. Now, tell me the difference...

Posted by: CubsFan | July 23, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

William, as usual you are spot on. I hope these left wing kooks BHO and Pelosi continue to spend spend spend. GOP will pick up at least 20 seats in the house in 2010 and it could be a real day of reckoning for the donkies. Why is the POTUS commenting on some racists Harvard professor who hates cops and white people?? This man is far from presidential.

Posted by: jimmy2times | July 23, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey Kristol, at least Obama is trying to do something about a problem that affects millions of Americans and its a problem that's not going away.

Just saying "No" is not a solution. Or maybe we should be like your girlfriend Sarah and just quit. Quit trying to make America a better place. After all, as your boyfriend Bush said, "Governing's hard."

Posted by: dre7861 | July 23, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Krystol is hardly qualified to write an editorial about health care. He already advised Republicans to steer clear and not help with a solution, so anything he says on the topic is sure to be simply his right-wing demagoguing. Insightful commentary on the topic from Republicans or Democrats is what's needed in the Washington Post, not this garbage.

Posted by: Menidia | July 23, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I read Bill Kristol's columns to find out the truth because I have learned whatever he says is a complete lie intended to hurt, kill, or prolong the suffering of others. The Washington Post should be ashamed of the evil they sow by printing his venom.

Posted by: mdenny1 | July 23, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Once again a favorite rhetorical ploy of the conservative right raises its ugly head:
Distorting a conditional criticism of SOME doctors by Obama ("... doctors a lot of times are forced ...") to the near-universal and ubiquitous (Obama's " ...casual slander of a lot of doctors")
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So, perhaps Obama would have been more convincing had he immediately gone after [elective] plastic surgeons!
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Odd that while Mr. Kristol would also hesitate criticizing $300,000 hospital VP salaries - he pointedly avoids mention of the 155% increase in profits just announced by one HMO chain -- or the fact that the CEO of United Health received as "compensation" ONE IN EVERY $700 OF TOTAL US HEALTH
CARE EXPENDITURES a few years ago!
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Re Cambridge - it's curious and ironic that a mouthpiece of the same conservative right that otherwise would defend Professor Gates' right to arm himself and [prospectively] shoot anyone threatening him in his home (including a police officer? - depending on the perceived threat) is perfectly sanguine about arresting him for being "loud and tumultuous" .... when verbally accosted IN HIS OWN HOME!

Posted by: jerswing | July 23, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Mr. Kristol would think someone stupid if they arrested him within his own home for absolutely no reason whatsoever? Nah... he'd probably just want to start a war over it.

Posted by: CardFan | July 23, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I practiced medicine for nearly forty years and my father retired from a police force in a city that had the highest per centage of blacks in the state. I cover both of the criticisms of Kristol.

Obama is correct on both counts. From hanging around a police station waiting for dad i found there were plenty of stupid and bigoted police then and don't doubt they exist today.

I have seen many examples of testing, follow up exams, and procedures by physicians that were more than questionable. Like pap smears every 3 months in a patient with no history of abnormal paps or risk factors for cervical cancer. One doctor was ordering annual pap smears and mammograms on a nursing home patient that had been bed ridden for several years and would be too frail to live through any curative therapy if anything was found.

It happens. We shouldn't just get over it.

Posted by: sauerkraut | July 23, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

some facts usually help. the government plan is private insurance. half the federal payroll is on Blue Cross. the "red pill-blue pill" point is right on point - the drug folks keep blocking Medicare's efforts to not pay for a drug unless it's either better or safer than existing drugs if it costs more. the drug folks have bought enough congressmen to prevent that, which is why we see ads on TV for drugs you can pressure your doc into prescribing for fear you will switch docs.

the fearmongering is predictable. no one is proposing to limit your choices or care - you don't have to change plans or coverage if you don't want to. but we can save money by getting rid of the abuses our current system has spawned that don't contribute anything to anyone's health except the health of some wallets. those choices we need to restrict.
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This is not fearmongering, my friend, but people opening their eyes to the realities of this proposal.

The major objections are with CENTRALIZING the administration of this program and using a single option provider.

It is a proven fact that MEDICARE and MEDICAID are the worst administered program with a bureaucracy that is gigantic, full of FRAUD and WASTE and a nightmare to customers.

Obama tells us that we can keep our plans, but DO NOT be a fool and understand that our individual Insurance companies will quickly go out of business with Obama's option proposal and we will be forced to opt for this option.

Learn to read between the pretty words of this President!!!

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

It appears the President is suffering from Biden Mouth Disease... "I don't know the facts.... the cops were stupid..." Don't suppose anyone else was "stupid" yesterday? I am disappointed in Pres. Obama. Thought he was smarter than that.

Posted by: OldTimeRider | July 23, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey Billy maybe in order to solve the problem you should cruise to another isolated wilderness and find yourself a conservative yet idiotic hottie to get trounced in 2012.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | July 23, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Only Bill Kristol rivals Charles Kraphammer on being consistently wrong on every subject he has addressed over the past nine years.

Like the Kraut Dog, if Kristol says it, then it wrong - wrong through either knowing dishonesty or stupidity - but usually dishonesty.

Posted by: Ms_Morgan | July 23, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama said some strange stuff last night and revealed a lot about himself in the process. Better keep him on the teleprompter and away from these unscripted moments where we get to glimpse into his soul because there is some troubling, paranoid stuff in there that I'm not sure I want to know about.

Posted by: alstl | July 23, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

What do you expect from a President who doesn't know what's in his own health care bill? He continues to make assertions without having all the facts, which he stipulated to. America has been dumbed down by his rhetoric.

Posted by: lkraus01 | July 23, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I went over to the smoking gun to read the Dr. Gates arrest report and Dr. Gates was acting like a D-bag, but if being a D-bag is a crime, Kristol would be serving for life. I would also like to point out that calling Mr. Kristol a D-bag is not juvenile.

Posted by: SuperPants | July 23, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

"Bill Bristle..."

You have no journalistic credibility. Perhaps if we're all lucky you might get arrested in your home for writing foolishness... like this article you've submitted to the Post.

Posted by: gmoore40 | July 23, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I am so confused. I didn't hear Mr. Kristol speak out against Part D. I also didn't hear anything from the drug companies or the insurance giants. I guess the profits speak for themselves. Talking about corporate welfare. A donut hole of $2,500 for some seniors. The drugs are so expensive that Part D is costing the American people a bundle.

Now that the insurance companies stand to lose some cash they are all over the place. I think it is a disgrace. Families are really hurting now. Is this the best Kristol can do? The Obama show is on every night on Fox. Lets hear and read good journalism and hear some solutions about the issues. The American people are tired of this nonsense. P.L.

Posted by: EAguard54 | July 23, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Kristol is on the side of the losers, and makes no apologies for endorsing Sarah Palin, or the invasion of Iraq. He is no expert on anything, so discount what he says on health care.

Posted by: LeftGuy | July 23, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

The Cambridge cops did, in fact, act needlessly. When they arrived at the scene and saw proof that Henry Louis Gates actually lived there (i.e. Drivers license with address, family photos on the wall, huge plaque with his name on it) they should have left. Open and shut case. Even if Gates were acting like a jerk... its his house! Yet they arrested an old man that committed no crime and even requested his cane as they left his house.

As for the health care issue, I still can't rationalize how people can support a broken health care system that drive millions of people into debt or just deny them health care all together. Something tells me these people have never struggled with dealing with thousands of dollars of hospital bills or with an ailing and uninsured family member who instead of thinking about their health and family, have to deal with how they are going to flip the hospital bill. Must look look real pretty from the top of the hill, huh?

Profits and huge lobby efforts should never come in the way of what matters most to this country; its people.

Posted by: Mjpalaci | July 23, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Reading William Kristol is like watching Roadrunner cartoons. You always know that somewhere along the way, the cunning Kristol is going to reveal his stupidity and transparency, yet time and again, he never quite grasps that shortcoming.

Posted by: crikey | July 23, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

It is nice to see that the President's address had something that got attention from all the readers providing comments to this commentary.

I read these a lot at lunch and often am tempted to comment, but do not. However, I am ready to enter the pissing back and forth.

I did not vote for Obama. I am a Christian conservative that has beliefs that cross left and right depending on the issue. On Inaugration Day, he became my President. Not the black President, not the Poor President, not the world's BFF. I want him to start acting like the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. We are a diverse country and can have opinions, such as these. But it is time for him to be OUR President and not a celebrity talking about things that are not Presidential.

I could care less if some professor had a run in with the police. I am more concerned why Russian politians refuse to shake the hand of the most powerful man in the world!!??

Posted by: Terp83 | July 23, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kitzdakat:

That's the best and only point that I need to hear. Who wants our inept government running something else into the ground.

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Yeah like how the government runs a totally inept military. Those guys can't find the outhouse let alone guard it. And how about the police and fire departments. Now that's a bunch of real losers. The ones who went into the Towers on 9-11 should be jailed for being so inefficient!

BTW, the above is heavy saracsm. The Republicans love to protray the government as inept but clearly the government does a lot of great things in a spectacular way. So if the government can run the protection of our country, buildings and safety I think it can also run our health care system better than big insurance companies that put greed above all.


Posted by: dre7861 | July 23, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Right out of the box Mr. Kristol detroys his credibility.
Given that our quality of helath care ranks around 30th and that we spend double per capita as that of the second most spendthrift country, why CAN'T we have it cheaper and better?

Posted by: gray5 | July 23, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

It's good to know that driving while Black is now in second place to entering your own home when Black!

There seems to be a pattern of Black men returning to their homes after work, a night out, or after going to the supermarket or shopping mall. They come home to their homes expecting to enter normally as the white folks do but thanks to their scared to death good White neighbors who call the police they are handcuffed, arrested and prevented from entering. Whatever made Black men think they had a right to enter their own homes without being harassed by the police?

The good news is that they are eventually released so the same police can stop them when they are in the cars for driving while Black. Thankfully, the cops are able to prevent Black men from entering their own homes now too. What a color blind society we live in! Makes you feel glad these same brilliant folks are our front line in the war against terrorism, doesn't it?

Posted by: mjkoch* | July 23, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

You obviously hit a raw nerve with your column, they react like water in a pan of hot oil. Whenever commentary hits too close, they spit vile. I wonder what their reaction will be when they have to sit at home for six months waiting for what was once a routine MRI, or watch a loved one die because they are too old to treat under Obamacare.

Posted by: Leigh1 | July 23, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse


"if I were president of the United States, I might pause before casually accusing other Americans of acting stupidly unless I were confident I knew what I was talking about."

The president is a constitutional law scholar. Think about it.

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I agree completely! And would have to add that he failed his fundamental diplomacy courses ;)For a president with a law degree, He lacks the touch, many of actions leave much to desire.

Posted by: amapola11 | July 23, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Putting it in context (President O speaking):

"I dont know the full story (re: Gates)...but what the cops did was stupid"

...and we elected this man to be leader of our nation and the free world.

May we learn from our mistake.

Posted by: TOTE | July 23, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"Bill Bristle..."

You have no journalistic credibility. Perhaps if we're all lucky you might get arrested in your home for writing foolishness... like this article you've submitted to the Post.
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Certainly, if it is not like the great majority of liberal left wing radicals that tend to post in this newspaper and majority of media in this country, you get sooooooooo upset. But guess what, the whole curtain is lifting and it is becoming pretty difficult for you liberals to defend the positions that this rookie President advances. His mask is unraveling with every Press conference that he gives and his radical left wing agenda is becoming quite obvious. We are finally seeing through the smokescreen.

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Digger 2 says, "The president is a constitutional law scholar."

BHO is no more a "constitutional law scholar" than you are the man in the moon.

He's walking, talking proof that ideological conviction can't compensate for ignorance and inexperience.

Posted by: rgraves2 | July 23, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Putting it in context (President O speaking):

"I dont know the full story (re: Gates)...but what the cops did was stupid"

...and we elected this man to be leader of our nation and the free world.

May we learn from our mistake.
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So, please join us in unmasking his agenda and spread the word. You have power!!!

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: lkraus01

What do you expect from a President who doesn't know what's in his own health care bill? He continues to make assertions without having all the facts, which he stipulated to. America has been dumbed down by his rhetoric.
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Uh, could it be that the reason why the President "doesn't know what's in his own health care bill" is because the bill hasn't been finalized, that there are several different versions of the bill in both House and Senate committees? But I guess the Fox News talking points didn't go over that part.

Talk about America being dumbed down!


Posted by: dre7861 | July 23, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Stupid is as stupid does. Police officers has shown time and time again that they lack good judgment and sensitivity.

Most people would be angry if they were interrogated by a police officer IN THEIR OWN HOME.

It is clear that AMERICA IS STILL DISHONEST about race. WE ALL HAVE A BIAS TOWARD OR AGAINST SOMEONE based on skin color, hair color, height, weight, etc. Just a fact. And until we stop lying about that, we will need get to where we need to be.

Police ARE PEOPLE, PEOPLE HAVE FLAWS and maybe, JUST MAYBE POLICE OFFICERS MAKE MISTAKES. PERIOD. They are not perfect, so stop portraying them as such. If police officers would actually own up to some of their mistakes, the citizens would give them the benefit of the doubt.

I guess that is way too much to ask for I suppose. IT'S TERRIBLE. AMERICA SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF ITSELF. NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE OBAMA IN OFFICE, IT HAS REALLY JUST MAKE THE RACISTS BASTARDS WORSE!

Posted by: eps0609 | July 23, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I take white pills. How is this moronic president going to help me?

Posted by: BobBumleg | July 23, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

This:

I voted for President Obama, but was stunned at his response regarding Professor Gates and Sgt. Crowley. For a president to take sides in a local matter without having all the facts is naive at best and possibly revealing the president's personal bias. I was very disappointed in our president on this one.

...is insane and is a lie. You didn't vote for Obama. Not if you know the officer's name and quote it like he's some saint. I've read hundreds of posts and articles on this and you're the only one to drop the cop's name. There is no bias. The cops were wrong. And arresting someone in their home - hugely unconstitutional - is incredibly stupid in any circumstances. Being arrested with the whole process is a big deal. Next routine traffic stop, and it's on your record, which makes stupid cops more suspicious, etc, etc.

Plus, Obama's opionion was a lot more measured than Bush's about Terri Shaivo (sp?) and I know you voted for Bush. "Oh, poor Sgt. Crowley." Give it a rest.

Posted by: Urnesto | July 23, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

As usual, whatever Kristol says is 180 degrees from the truth. He's the gold-standard in ignorant stupidity. Great jorb, Hiatt!

Posted by: bigbrother1 | July 23, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Quoth Kristol: "But if I were president of the United States, I might pause before casually accusing other Americans of acting stupidly unless I were confident I knew what I was talking about."

By the mercy of Providence, Kristol is NOT president of the United States. He is, however, is a pundit and therefore reimbursed for parading his ill-considered notions before the citizenry.

As for Kristol's invoking of his former status as Harvard professor as justification for siding with the cops who arrested Henry Louis Gates, one is reminded of Senator Jeff Sessions's equally goofy reasoning that Sonia Sotomayor's ruling in a particular case was suspect because Judge Cabranes -- who, Sessions helpfully reminded us, shares Sotomayor's ethnicity -- had come to a different conclusion.

It this some kind of conservative silly season?

Posted by: AnotherHagman | July 23, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Folks let's remember one thing - Obama DID NOT address the professor incident - he responded to a question poised by the press. Some would have complained had he refused to answer the question - he was obliged to respond.

And in the policeman did act stupidily - the charges were dropped weren't they?

Posted by: Kathy5 | July 23, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I could have written this reaction from you while sitting on the toilet this morning. This is soooooo predictable and says nothing about any of the real problems affecting average Americans. Soooo predictable. Soooo absent of deep thought on any level.

Posted by: Snerrick | July 23, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Kristol, you are rolling the dice for all or nothing, or, better yet, playing the redneck game of playing "chicken" driving at high speed toward a coming car to see who will swerve at the last minute. I had school mates who died.

You will lose this one and contemporary history will bury you quickly. You are not going to defeat Obama and the majority of the American people with extreme right Weekly Reader bombast and silliness. You are dead, already a laughingstock even on the Republican right.

Posted by: walden1 | July 23, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

BTW, the above is heavy saracsm. The Republicans love to protray the government as inept but clearly the government does a lot of great things in a spectacular way. So if the government can run the protection of our country, buildings and safety I think it can also run our health care system better than big insurance companies that put greed above all.


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Before you continue on this line STOP and think about MEDICARE and MEDICAID and SSI and you would do an about face when you quickly see the big elephant of FRAUD, WASTE and MISUSE that are in the management of these programs. I am a former and now retired Social Security Manager who has seen the problems that centralization causes and it is an UGLY, UGLY picture. I prefer my private insurance and I know of our need for reform and it can be accomplished. But socializing our Health care is NOT THE WAY!!!

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"Does Obama really think pediatricians knowingly order unnecessary tonsillectomies in order to “make a lot more money?”

I would have agreed with Kristol until last summer when my son needed 11 stitches to close a superficial wound on his forehead. Excluding the ER charges ($800), the Dr. asked for, AND GOT, $8000.00 from my insurance company. Oh, it wasn't without some fighting, but that is what his staff is paid for. Now, my insurance company is attempting "subornation" in which they apparently try to recover costs by suing the school where he fell.

Yes Mr. Kristol, Drs. are aware of how to make money. But, isn't that the American way?

Posted by: mus81 | July 23, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Also gotta love the clueless white blue-hair next door calling the police because a black guy is trying to jimmy his broken door.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | July 23, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is a Fascist SOB who is destroying our Country. Nothing will stop this liar until we WAKE UP and say NO! The Liberal LEFT has brought us the high price of medical care and now they want to fix it by taking complete control! NO, NO, NO!"

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OMG! Here it comes folks - next thing you know the liberal left will be responsible for raining out these peoples picnics!

How the heII did the "liberal left" bring about the high costs associated with healthcare? You have already blamed the liberal left on the economy even though it clearly happened under Bush in 2007 - I guess it was because that was when Democrats finally got a majority in the house/senate and the president became a non-player?

Posted by: Kathy5 | July 23, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Where does Mr. Kristol get the idea that doctors do not respond to price signals so long as they have a professional rationale (not necessarily the best rationale, just A rationale)? Do market forces stop at the clinic door? What happened to your passionate belief in the power of incentives and free market principles, Mr. Kristol? Or do doctors join the ranks of others who you feel need not worry about such things, like defense suppliers and outsourced service players in Iraq with no-bid contracts?

Posted by: darius2 | July 23, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Kristol is fielding calls right now from angry doctors around the nation demanding to know why he is anti-overbilling. Billy, why are you so anti-free market??

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | July 23, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Let's center on this whole health care discussion for a second.

Certainly, some reform is necessary.

Having been in my life at various times both poor and middle class, I can assure you that no one goes without food or medical attention.

But let's say for a moment that the left is right, that we are literally dying to have this new health program in America.

I did a senior thesis a few year back that took a look at costs of large governmental programs over the years (starting with Medicaid/Medicare).

I don't want to misquote my own research, but as I recall, projected costs as anticipated by the CBO or specific members of Congress were off by so much in the outlying years that they didn't look like the same programs.

I don't know if the numbers were intentially supressed when the legislation was created, or if our government always gets it wrong.

It doesn't really matter.

But if the Obama Administration is claiming that the cost of health care reform is in the trillions, we need to multiply it by a factor of nine or ten to get to the real number.

Then I need to ask, at that price, is it really worth it?

Posted by: rushfari | July 23, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe it was Professor Gates who behaved stupidly, or at least arrogantly."

Does stupid and arrogant behavior warrant being arrested? If he was arrested for being arrogant-in his own home no less, then the police have some serious explaining to do.

Posted by: bernie51 | July 23, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

More blather from the most inept political commentator in the Country. Thanks for Sarah Palin Bill!!

Posted by: whirlwind81 | July 23, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Without a speechwriter and a teleprompter this man exhibits a lack of common sense. He is also a socialist first and now has a hold on the American people that smacks of Mussolini.
A world-renowned clinic that President Obama held up as an example of good medicine said Monday that the American people would be "losers" under the House's health care proposal, joining the growing chorus of critics the Obama administration is trying to fend off as the debate intensifies from Capitol Hill to Main Street.

Minnesota's not-for-profit Mayo Clinic, which Mr. Obama has repeatedly hailed as offering top quality care at affordable costs, blasted the House Democrats' version of the health care plan as lawmakers continue to grapple with several bills from each chamber and multiple committees.

Posted by: mharwick | July 23, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Folks let's remember one thing - Obama DID NOT address the professor incident - he responded to a question poised by the press. Some would have complained had he refused to answer the question - he was obliged to respond.

And in the policeman did act stupidily - the charges were dropped weren't they?

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But we expected him, a law constitutional scholar, to answer in a more measured manner, specially when HE DID NOT HAVE ALL THE FACTS before him. No, this was a lapse in judgement and one of those moments in which Obama reveals himself. The fact that charges were dismissed are not reason enough to conclude that these policemen acted stupidly. Let's look at the full scenario first!!!

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Go away Kristol..

Start you own country and live their.

Fei Hu

Posted by: Fei_Hu | July 23, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

For those among us who are challenged to think independently and buy Obama's trope that opposing his plan is the same as opposing reform in general, here is a link to an alternative plan submitted by Tom Coburn and ignored by the Democratic congress. http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=d4eab376-d507-4fb9-9f17-8b479a10affc

Posted by: jordonmcconnell | July 23, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Yet again, another wingnut out of touch with reality:

http://mediamatters.org/research/200907220001

Stop watching Hannity and think for yourself!

Posted by: whirlwind81 | July 23, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

There is too much regulation on our nations roads and it is what is causing so many car crashes and accidents. If we got rid of stop signs, traffic lights and crosswalks our nations cars would be free to compete; to find out who is the fastest and best at getting from point A to point B. But with big government stepping in to tell us who has the right of way at a four way intersection, our roads are choked and will remain completely inefficient.

Posted by: SuperPants | July 23, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"But if I were president of the United States, I might pause before casually accusing other Americans of acting stupidly unless I were confident I knew what I was talking about."


And if I were President of the United States, I might pause before casually invading a country in the Middle East, wasting the lives of 5,000 young Americans and p!ssing away $2 trillion in Iraq unless I were confident I knew what I was talking about--and not relying on the rhetoric of neocon chickenhawks like Bill Kristol.

Posted by: YouryellowribbonmagnetwontgetyouintoHeavenanymore | July 23, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Minnesota's not-for-profit Mayo Clinic, which Mr. Obama has repeatedly hailed as offering top quality care at affordable costs, blasted the House Democrats' version of the health care plan as lawmakers continue to grapple with several bills from each chamber and multiple committees.
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And I wonder why Obama has now picked the Cleveland clinic to visit, after knowing about the Mayo Clinic report? Do we see a bit of the Chicago tactics in destroy your enemy as a way of intimidation? Just like his request to see the CBO officer knowing that he is crossing boundaries that he cannot cross?

Where are your limits President Obama? And how are you going to STOP?

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

On the fox news website, they edited the police report for the Dr.Gates incident. That should be illegal.

Posted by: SuperPants | July 23, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Waiting for wingnut to argue that he is not an American citizen in 4, 3, 2, 1...

Posted by: whirlwind81 | July 23, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

On the fox news website, they edited the police report for the Dr.Gates incident. That should be illegal

Foxnews:
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Gates_Arrest.pdf

smokinggun:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html

Posted by: SuperPants | July 23, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

You hit the nail on the head. Excellent piece.

Posted by: dchick | July 23, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

And if I were President of the United States, I might pause before casually invading a country in the Middle East, wasting the lives of 5,000 young Americans and p!ssing away $2 trillion in Iraq unless I were confident I knew what I was talking about--and not relying on the rhetoric of neocon chickenhawks like Bill Kristol.
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I beg to differ!!! Through the efforts of our prior President Bush we have a liberated country in its way to a democratic government and one more success against the insidious infiltration of radical islam which is now here in our country trying to defeat our beautiful way of life. And if you don't open your eyes they will eliminate you!!!

No, I reject this President who is nothing more than an appeaser and who some of us really know that deep down his heart his connections are not in the best interest of our country!!!!

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

It's often telling when those that comment concentrate on impugning the author's integrity and introducing issues about they're comfortable arguing (Iraq). Mr. Kristol raises some legitimate points that you have to admit - regardless of where you stand - were not addressed in a press conference advertised to tackle the tough issues. I think you can make a legitimate argument for both sides. It’s not very interesting and enlightening, however, when everyone’s ignoring the key questions.

Posted by: thickman22 | July 23, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

so now that the President of the free world made a truthful statement about police misconduct,will his daughters,his wife,other families now be in danger,be brought up on other charges.Sarah Palin was in fear of her life due to her ex-brother's in-laws bad cop behavior and her and her family continue to get put through the gauntlet of revenge and terror inflicted by these psychologically criminally minded bad cops who exert their power through threats.Where then does that leave us ordinary citizens and our children who have experienced police brutality,threats,and long term scars without justice?The legal speciality of "police misconduct" should be shut down since these attornies can't even have a telephone conversation with someone seeking justice without fallout.Add in the prosecuting attornies abuses and the behind the scenes deal making to "protect their own" and before the same charges are brought against every member of your family or you can't walk down the street in your own community due to the information that is out there about you,one would think that if men and women with deadly weapons can assault anyone,write bogus reports,and threaten your life if you don't continue to go along with it that someone would be angry,would question this approach,would want to get this investigated.Oh silly me,when that happens there are just more cops with more vendettas to resolve and the FH behind the numbers turns into a "homocide" which will be blamed on you anyways.

Posted by: formerheap | July 23, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

DID PRESiDENT OBAMA EVEN SPEAK WITH THE OFFICER OR ANY WITNESSES BEFORE TRASHING THE OFFICER ON NATIONAL TV??

Of course NOT.

Not in ObamaWorld.

All Racism all the time.

Why don't the Police Unions ATTACK OBAAM publicly???

Posted by: JaxMax | July 23, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

DID PRESIDENT OBAMA EVEN SPEAK WITH THE OFFICER OR ANY WITNESSES BEFORE TRASHING THE OFFICER ON NATIONAL TV??

Of course NOT.

Not in ObamaWorld.

All Racism all the time.


POLICE UNIONS SHOULD DEFENED THE OFFICER AGAINST OBAMA PUBLIC ATTACKS.....

Posted by: JaxMax | July 23, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Waiting for wingnut to argue that he is not an American citizen in 4, 3, 2, 1...

Posted by: whirlwind81 | July 23, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse
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Let's not start with this line because these so called wingnuts (term that you liberals use constantly) could have some valid reasoning behind them as the Certificate of live birth that Obama's team introduced in the websites IS NOT a valid Birth Certificate based upon its contents. Mr. Obama could really silence his critics easily if he submits a VALID BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

As usual, Billy Kristol displays his outstanding ability to make a hypocritical ass of himself. Naturally his 'instinct is to side with the Cambridge cops', since of course he is a conservative Republican who doesn't AT ALL believe in property rights. When will the WAPO do the right thing and can this embarrassment.

Posted by: laslo23 | July 23, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"Re: Gates. The President overstepped big-time on this. No, he wasn't there. If I had a home in an upscale neighborhood like Gates (which I don't), and if I made 1/3 the money he makes (which I don't), and if some passer-by reported that someone just broke in the door to my home, shouldn't one's first reaction to quick police action be to say "hey, thank you for protecting my home???", and not "are you here harassing me because I'm black?" Obama is a good guy, and got my vote. But, if he's the president who will 'unite' us, calling police 'stupid', was itself way way out of bounds, when he has no knowledge of the circumstances. Mr. President, you promised to help lead us beyond race. Yesterday you took some steps backward."

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Hold on a minute and review all the evidence. First and formost, you would need to be a black person before you can really understand fully what happened here. Secondly, the professor has done years and years of study having to do with racial profiling - so, I'm pretty sure he recognizes it for what it is. If he felt profiled he would be in a good position to recognize it for what it was. He has credibility on the subject both as a scholar and a black man.

To correct one of your statements, President Obama DID NOT call the policeman "stupid" - he merely said that his actions were stupid. Which in the end with the charges having been dropped, it would be clear that indeed his actions were stupid.

Posted by: Kathy5 | July 23, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

With reference to the blue and red pills, I thought that Obama fancied himself to be Morpheus in The Matrix. Maybe he does.

Posted by: alknittel | July 23, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Bill Kristol didn't choose to put on the uniform for the Vietnam War, spurred the country on to the disastrous Iraq War, dished up Sarah Palin, and now writes about the president's "easy disdain for the less enlighted among us?" Keep thinkin' Bill, that's what you're good at.

Posted by: robertsmith6666 | July 23, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad to hear Mr. Kristol express an opinion that hospital executives are paid too much, and I look forward to an article from him weighing the pros and cons of returning hospitals and healh insurance companies to being non-profit or not-for-profit firms like most of them were 30 years ago. I think that's the root of much of the health care crisis, along with out-of-control litigation. Another relatively straightforward step would be to put the burden of getting paperwork on those who want to continue treatment at the end of life, rather than on those who want to discontinue treatment. For example, patients who want a loved one to be resuscitated and ventilated if theyre over 85 years old should need to sign papers saying they wanted treatment to continue, and to be willing to pay for this treatment at their own expense. That's the opposite of the way things are now, where people have to fill out paperwork to STOP such treatment from occuring automatically.

Posted by: ripvanwinkleincollege | July 23, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

A poster said, "I applaud President Obanma for his efforts on behalf of non-wealthy Americans. It's time to restore fairness in the economy."

My question is, How many of these Americans that claim they cannot afford health insurance, are paying top dollar for all these expensive automobiles that are on the roads, and how much is their cellphone plans? I see people that claim they cannot afford health insurance, but are driving cars that cost $400 a month and a cellphone plan that costs $200 a month to text their friends and talk while they are driving down the road. Buy yourself an affordable car, carry a cell phone which is prepaid and only use it for emergencies and take your kids to the doctor, you ignorant ghetto welfare culture!

Posted by: Black101 | July 23, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

It's often telling when those that comment concentrate on impugning the author's integrity and introducing issues about they're comfortable arguing (Iraq). Mr. Kristol raises some legitimate points that you have to admit - regardless of where you stand - were not addressed in a press conference advertised to tackle the tough issues. I think you can make a legitimate argument for both sides. It’s not very interesting and enlightening, however, when everyone’s ignoring the key questions.

Posted by: thickman22 | July 23, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse
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Very good point. This is what I eagerly awaited to hear in this Conference and what a major blunder and disappointment. And this includes the lack of good questions by the media.

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I want to correct any illusions that the Federal workers including members of Congress, the Executive Branch, and the Judicial Branch have any type of government health care. The Federal Employees Health Benefit Program is a group of PRIVATE plans that operate under contract to the Office of Personnel Management. Most of these plans are available to all government employees with the government paying about 72% and the employee the balance. There are several plans that are available only to certain groups such as Secret Service, Foreign Service, etc. But the overwhelming majority are available to all including members of Congress. The only person entitled to free government health care would be the President, since as Commander in Chief he could be considered elgible for miltary health care at no cost. The rest of the Federal Employees and retirees pay something, in my case over $300/month plus co-pays and deductibles. Not exactly my definition of free.

Posted by: hc01 | July 23, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Kristol did okay. Obama did not. Professor Gates put himself at risk - every burglar in Massachusetts now knows that he can break into Gates' home and no one from the police department will respond to the call for fear of charges being filed (real or imaginary, founded or not). Where's the silverware?!

Posted by: CBVAUSA | July 23, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

A poster said, "I applaud President Obanma for his efforts on behalf of non-wealthy Americans. It's time to restore fairness in the economy."

My question is, How many of these Americans that claim they cannot afford health insurance, are paying top dollar for all these expensive automobiles that are on the roads, and how much is their cellphone plans? I see people that claim they cannot afford health insurance, but are driving cars that cost $400 a month and a cellphone plan that costs $200 a month to text their friends and talk while they are driving down the road. Buy yourself an affordable car, carry a cell phone which is prepaid and only use it for emergencies and take your kids to the doctor, you ignorant ghetto welfare culture!

Posted by: Black101 | July 23, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse
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This is where we are headed in this ENTITLEMENT society that has been mostly created by all these liberal programs.

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I beg to differ!!! Through the efforts of our prior President Bush we have a liberated country in its way to a democratic government and one more success against the insidious infiltration of radical islam which is now here in our country trying to defeat our beautiful way of life. And if you don't open your eyes they will eliminate you!!!

No, I reject this President who is nothing more than an appeaser and who some of us really know that deep down his heart his connections are not in the best interest of our country!!!!

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse
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So many untruths here... First, Iraq was not a hotbed of Islamic radicalism under Saddam. Why? Because radicals would have been a threat to his power. Saudi Arabia would be a much better target if the goal were eradicating radicalism. Of course, that is not an option.
Second, Islamic radicals have no chance against the US. None. Our country will never, ever be turned into a Caliphate ruled by Sharia law. To even argue that as a possibility is so paranoid its beyond belief.
We are the military superpower in the world. We have problems in their countries because we are fighting an insurgent population that blends in with the citizens. Very difficult to defeat. On the other hand, if al-Qaeda or Iran tried an invasion of America, it would be over in hours, if not minutes.
If the "invasion" consists of terrorist cells in some place like Buffalo, they will be very difficult to find and stop, but they are not a threat to take over America. Our democratic, secular tradition is just too strong. Our country is basically idiot proof.
The comment that this guy was responding to accused neocons like Kristol of bringing us the Iraq war. My response to those who would defend the likes of Bush, Kristol and others who led us into war with Iraq is this: If the war was so necessary, and not, in fact, a war of choice, why did those in power need to lie about the reasons for war? Anyone who actually believes that the motivation for the Iraq was to "liberate Iraq" needs to share whatever they are smoking. Who's next? Iran? Zimbabwe? N. Korea? Burma? Venezuela? It's a long, long list.

Posted by: billy8 | July 23, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Let's not start with this line because these so called wingnuts (term that you liberals use constantly) could have some valid reasoning behind them as the Certificate of live birth that Obama's team introduced in the websites IS NOT a valid Birth Certificate based upon its contents. Mr. Obama could really silence his critics easily if he submits a VALID BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!

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And only YOU and your fellow birthers get to determine just what is and is not valid? Is that if?

Please tell me how the Hawaai newspaper (local) was able to print a birth announcement in 1961 stating his parents names, weight etc? Did someone go back and find that old newspaper and alter it! OMG!

No, here's the truth about "birthers" - they simply cannot stand the fact that a BLACK MAN is living in their WHITE HOUSE! And they will NEVER get over that fact. It is beyond their grasp - afterall, they thought they had taken care of that by holding them down just enough to keep it from happening. They didn't hold President Obama down enough because he certianly surprised the heII out of them - they NEVER thought he would actually get elected.

Now of course, they will deny this but there simply is not other reason for them to act as they are acting. Wanting a birth certificate that satisifies THEM - give me a break!

Posted by: Kathy5 | July 23, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"Obama’s easy disdain for the less enlightened among us -- in this case, for family docs and for Cambridge cops"

If you consider Cops and Docs to be "less enlightened", may be you don't know what you are talking about or they should not be Cops or Docs in that case. This argument is gabage.. let me hear your one proposal for healthcare before critizing....

Posted by: mbahal | July 23, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

This incident will set race relations back years. How foolish to bring it up before the facts are known. Everyone choose sides based on your prejudice and ignore any facts that come out.

Posted by: dougegood1 | July 23, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

It's often telling when those that comment concentrate on impugning the author's integrity and introducing issues about they're comfortable arguing (Iraq). Mr. Kristol raises some legitimate points that you have to admit - regardless of where you stand - were not addressed in a press conference advertised to tackle the tough issues. I think you can make a legitimate argument for both sides. It’s not very interesting and enlightening, however, when everyone’s ignoring the key questions.

Posted by: thickman22 | July 23, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abus
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Its not about impugning the authors integrity. Its that Kristol is wrong about everything and is only a columnist because his dad is Irving Kristol. There are plenty of intelligent conservatives out there. Bill Kristol is not one of them.

Posted by: billy8 | July 23, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"My question is, How many of these Americans that claim they cannot afford health insurance, are paying top dollar for all these expensive automobiles that are on the roads, and how much is their cellphone plans? I see people that claim they cannot afford health insurance, but are driving cars that cost $400 a month and a cellphone plan that costs $200 a month to text their friends and talk while they are driving down the road. Buy yourself an affordable car, carry a cell phone which is prepaid and only use it for emergencies and take your kids to the doctor, you ignorant ghetto welfare culture!"

Posted by: Black101 | July 23, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

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Yes and you are the same type of person who would deny that the US has any hungry people, homeless people or hard working people who's employer does not provide insurance and since they are working for $10.00 or less/hr can't afford to purchase it on their own because everything in the US is roses and sweet smells - right?

Our current system is one of rich get richer and the poor get poorer - this is NOT the kind of America that I want. And please don't tell me that the rich guy works any harder than the person making minimum wage working 2 jobs does because I'm just not buying into that.

Posted by: Kathy5 | July 23, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Bill Kristol.

Last time I saw a mouth like that, it had a hook in it.

Why is the Washington Post propogating the rhetoric of a creep who's been proven wrong on everything from Iraq to Sarah Palin?

Posted by: YouryellowribbonmagnetwontgetyouintoHeavenanymore | July 23, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

When are you going to apologize to Billy Crystal for sullying his good name?

Posted by: joelc | July 23, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Prof Gates refused to show ID when he was asked by the police. Apparently he feels that if you are African-American, you don't have to follow the rules. Perhaps this is the problem with race in America.

Posted by: tenshi1 | July 23, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Waiting for wingnut to argue that he is not an American citizen in 4, 3, 2, 1...

Posted by: whirlwind81 | July 23, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse
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Let's not start with this line because these so called wingnuts (term that you liberals use constantly) could have some valid reasoning behind them as the Certificate of live birth that Obama's team introduced in the websites IS NOT a valid Birth Certificate based upon its contents. Mr. Obama could really silence his critics easily if he submits a VALID BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse
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People who argue with many of Obama's wrong headed policy decisions have a point. People who decide its easier to spin conspiracy theories are laughed at as less than intelligent, and should not be responded to.
McCain was born in Panama. If we was president, that would not bother me. Neither are agents of a foreign power, which is why the requirement exists.
If you're intelligent enough to make a good argument against Obama's policies (which isn't that hard), do it, and people will take you seriously. If you're not smart enough to read about a policy and decide you disagree with, then whine about a birth certificate. Its that simple.

Posted by: billy8 | July 23, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

In regards to your comment about stupid cops, bravo to the President. I have personally had many dealing with the police and all have been extremely negative. In the old day's they were referred to as "pigs", for good reason
There is an old saying that a liberal is a conservative who has spent a night in jail.

Who knows Billy, maybe some day......

Posted by: dfdougherty | July 23, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"What I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately," Obama said. "That's just a fact."

Prejudicial bias in it's purest form. Who is the racist here?

2010 cannot come fast enough. Thank God for mid-term elections!

Posted by: GodsCountry | July 23, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Mr. Gates ever thought about the untold thousands of calls to the police through the years of any given witness observing what looks like a break in to a home involving caucasian people but was really the home owner trying to get in when they did not have their key....where the officer asked the same questions that were asked to Gates?

It is clear that the agenda of Gates and our president is to make something of nothing.

Posted by: TOTE | July 23, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

The speech was just another sophomoric attempt by B.O. to frame the Republicans as the “do nothing party” while the Democrats are at least doing something, albeit driving the most important 1/6 of our economy into the hands of government bureaucrats…you know, those efficient government employees who do not operate under those ghastly working condition the rest of us are exposed to: competition and market-based, merit pay. It’s kinda like labor unions, but instead of bankrupting some of our countries greatest industries (auto, airline, steel, etc), they will continue to be supported by tax dollars from the Forgotten Man as we reward incompetence, corruption, inefficiency and bureaucracy. However here are a few Republican ideas that continue to be shot-down:
• Allow individuals to purchase policies out of state. This would allow a New Jersey man to buy a policy he likes from Montana, saving 70%. The Dems answer: NO
• Allow individuals the same tax treatment has employees of Exxon: i.e a tax write off…and the Dems answer: NO
• Allow individuals to pay for insurance premiums from their Health Savings Account. The Dems answer: NO
• Legal reform due to the fact that 15-30% of procedures are performed for defensive purposes…which are unnecessary, but are an attempt to avoid being sued. The Dems answer: Hell NO…lawyers are one of our largest contributors.
You get the picture. Any common sense solutions that put the individual in control of their healthcare needs and not a government bureaucrat are dismissed. Bravo Dems!!…we all appreciate the good work!! Now back to your ideas of a Karl Marx's utopian society run by idiots.

Posted by: elliott22 | July 23, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Yes and you are the same type of person who would deny that the US has any hungry people, homeless people or hard working people who's employer does not provide insurance and since they are working for $10.00 or less/hr can't afford to purchase it on their own because everything in the US is roses and sweet smells - right?

Our current system is one of rich get richer and the poor get poorer - this is NOT the kind of America that I want. And please don't tell me that the rich guy works any harder than the person making minimum wage working 2 jobs does because I'm just not buying into that.

Posted by: Kathy5 | July 23, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abu
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Our beautiful country has its problems and it is incumbent on all of us to work together to improve our society. But THERE IS NO COUNTRY ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD THAT COMPARES TO USA!!!

I refuse to become one of those that gets so confused with our problems and joins in those that speak ill of our country. Before we focus on the negative be proud of what we have here first.

The Health care proposal is one major attempt to change the fabric of our society and the values that we treasure most and once those that were in trance wake up, the great majority of americans will understand that socializing our medical care is not the way in our society.

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey Billy,

Why haven't we heard you criticize Israel's socialized medical system?

From Wikipedia: Health care in Israel is both universal and compulsory, and is administered by a small number of organizations with funding from the government. All Israeli citizens are entitled to the same Uniform Benefits Package,...

Posted by: wiatrol | July 23, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

From GOP Representative Roy Blunt on the Republican plan for health care:
"“Our bill is never going to get to the floor, so why confuse the focus? We clearly have principles; we could have language, but why start diverting attention from this really bad piece of work they’ve got to whatever we’re offering right now?”

I wonder why Kristol didn't include this quote on his article lambasting Obama's health care plan?
Excuse me. That would require a fair and balanced approach ;>).

Posted by: hyjanks | July 23, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

RE: "Kristol did okay. Obama did not. Professor Gates put himself at risk - every burglar in Massachusetts now knows that he can break into Gates' home and no one from the police department will respond to the call for fear of charges being filed (real or imaginary, founded or not). Where's the silverware?!"

Posted by: CBVAUSA | July 23, 2009 1:10 PM
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Give me a break. The salient facts in this matter are NOT in dispute and those are that Gates identified himself as the owner of the house and that the police did not then immediately leave and, instead, lured him out of the home and arrested him. I wouldn't call it racism, I would call it ABUSE OF POWER and it goes on ALL THE TIME. It's time that a leader COMMENTS on this crap and that's what Obama did. The idiotic business of courts and the public CONSTANTLY siding with the police needs to stop and Obama's comments can only help. Police departments should be supported, but it's high time that those officers who abuse their stations are reprimanded and charged, where necessary.

Still waiting to see if even one person can offer a reasonable explanation for why the officer would have remained after Gates identified himself.

Posted by: laslo23 | July 23, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Kristol taught at Harvard? What an embarassment for them.

Posted by: tgoglia | July 23, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

POLICE UNIONS SHOULD DEFEND THE OFFICER

against the ATTACKS by Obama.

POLICE UNIONS--STAND UP FOR AMERICA Obama should NOT get away with TRASHING an Officer on NATIONAL TV from the White House.......

while Obama ADMITS he is just ASSUMING the "usual"Racism.

POLICE UNIONS--if you won't stand against Obama abuse here.......who NEEDS you later??

Posted by: JaxMax | July 23, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I still can't believe you dopey white guilt liberal suckers fell for this two bit snakeoil salesman..

Posted by: SMWE357 | July 23, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Taking the blue pill (which the president recommended) keeps you in the illusionary world of the Matrix, while taking the red pill wakes you up to see the real world.

Posted by: jack_mo_99 | July 23, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm with the President on this one. The police were called by a neighbor on a perceived break and enter. When the police arrived and found the professor in his own home, he showed them his identification with his address on it. He did nothing illegal in the presence of the police. Why on earth did they then cuff him and arrest him?

He lost his composure and acted like a jerk demanding the police officer identify himself, but that is in no way a justification for arresting him. The police acted unprofessionally.

In addition, Mr. Kristol is usually far more supportive of the rights of individuals in the sanctity of their homes, and against police-state behavior. It seems he is suddenly somewhat flexible on the subject when an opportunity to attack President Obama presents itself.

Posted by: nickcw | July 23, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama said some strange stuff last night and revealed a lot about himself in the process. Better keep him on the teleprompter and away from these unscripted moments where we get to glimpse into his soul because there is some troubling, paranoid stuff in there that I'm not sure I want to know about.

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So, what was the "strange stuff" you refer to?

Until you can comment on the "strange stuff" your words equate to blah, blah blah blah . . . . . . . . .

Posted by: Kathy5 | July 23, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Elliott22:

You are right on target and to some extent I fault the Republicans and the Conservative media for not organizing to do more advertising of the many proposals that the Republican Legislators are trying to put through.

This also includes proposals to take a serious look at the way MEDICARE, MEDICAID and SSI are administered and the many millions of FRAUD, WASTE and ABUSE that could help pay for many improvements in our system. As a former SSA Manager I can attest to the nightmare that these 3 programs bring and I certainly DO NOT want this injected into the rest of our society.

Perpetuating dependency is not the way for our society to evolve!!!

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Should be very obvious by now that the Radical in the White House Lies, Deceives and Head Fakes. His Socialized Health nonsense IS about him and his desire to control. He is a Zealot and has an overwhelming need to turn this Country inside out to CONTROL. He has a chip on his shoulder as does his angry bitter wife. There are those in this country that want to be controlled. The inept, needy, naive and insufficient. Most DO NOT, at least for now. Barry is going down with his Nationalization of Health Care and he soon to become radioactive.

Posted by: FraudObama | July 23, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol, Henry Gate's conduct was wrong, but it easy to understand why he was upset at being confronted in his home as he was. The officer should have been a better man and let it go, after all two wrongs don't make a right. His time would be better spent ARRESTING SOME REAL CRIMINALS.

Posted by: taichi8 | July 23, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"Mouthing off to a cop may be rude, and even imprudent given that the cops can (and do) trump up bogus charges with impunity, but it is not a crime in America."

AMEN TO THAT!

Posted by: lightgrw | July 23, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

bobsnodgrass:

"The average American can’t afford healthcare and can’t afford insurance premiums. Real wages, adjusted for inflation, have steadily fallen since 1970, while the cost of healthcare has increased. Healthcare cost is inflated by overtreatment (which also causes death and injury); even without overtreatment, real healthcare costs have increased everywhere, but more so in the US. If wages can’t cover the cost of healthcare, then we must spread the costs over the general public by taxes, raise wages or deceive the public. Competition can’t solve this problem and profit seeking has aggravated it."

You conveniently left out some key pieces to your analysis.

What about the effects of all the tests you have to have run to justify a diagnosis and protect yourself from any potential liability from personal injury lawyers ? Tort reform would definitely contribute to rein in costs here.

Your statement about competition not working is true only because there is no true free market competition. If there was a true mandate on physcians to treat regardless of insurance coverage and patients could truly comparison shop for care with full disclosure to the public of costs of treatment on the internet then competition in healthcare may very well work to hold down costs.

Ofcourse this is a non-starter because the AMA and trial lawyers would join lobbyist forces to kill it in a heartbeat!


Posted by: King2641 | July 23, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Why do Republicans want us all to die?
Ann Coulter just sent me an email saying take 2 aspirin and let me know when you develop stage 4 cancer!
Obama said he didn't have all the facts.
Ann Bier

Posted by: jimsbier | July 23, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Waiting for all the facts? Where was Mr. Kristol's cautionary approach when he supported the U.S. invasion of Iraq to find WMDs?

At best, Mr. Krisol shows an indifference to the fact that blacks and hispanic men don't get the same warm and fuzzy treatment he is used from law enforcement. Perhaps if the Gates' incident occurred in Iran or North Korea; Kristol would be outraged.

At worst, he is intellectually dishonest and continues not be held accountable for supporting the invasion of Iraq without having all the facts.

Posted by: ih4africa | July 23, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Well, Gates wins the BET drama queen award hands down. What a buffoon. Black in America, my a&&. What about the mayor of Berywn Heights Md, who had his door kicked down and his dogs assassinated by the PG county hit quads?

Too bad he wasn't black - or at least the dog weren't black - he would have gotten mention by the drama queen in chief.

This mouthy parasite will ride this one all the way to the bank - and the stooopid media will hold his hand the whole way.

Personally, I am going to donate money to the Cambridge Police department for whatever benevolent fund they may have in honor of their guy not taking crap from this "professor."

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | July 23, 2009 5:11 AM

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And you are the poster example for racism at it's best.


Posted by: mackiejw | July 23, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

This guy Kristol is a goof. First of all what criminal uses the phone, with the lights on, in someone else's home? Clue to cops. Probably the homeowner. Second, while I do not think a competent pediatrician would pull a kid's tonsils without good cause, I do think doctor's order unnecessary tests. Health care is expensive not so much due to the doctors as due to the pharmaceutical industry and the insurance industry.

Posted by: elawjag | July 23, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone given some serious thought to the fact that this is a vast country with 300 million people and growing and that any comparisons with other countries such as Israel, Canada and Europe are ridiculous. Can you imagine the enormous task of a socialized plan with only one alternative? Where is the history of effective managing such an enterprise?

Only those inexperienced, fools, dreamers can believe that this is achievable. Remember that GOVERNMENT begets more GOVERNMENT.

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

The best way to control rabid cops is for juries to award multi-million dollar awards against the police departments. When the citizens get tired of paying them they will force the cops to be more prudent.

Of course the guy could have thanked the cop for responding to the call and say something like "it's good to know that I can count on you to protect my property against burglars".

It's also a sad state of affairs when neighbors can call the cops on a person and possibly get him killed because they don't like him living on the block. Can a person even take a walk in his neighborhood without being regarded as a "suspicious person" and not be subjected t police harassment? Will people have to walk around with large ID pictures on their chests to prove who they are?

Posted by: redrider26p | July 23, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

To the Obama haters on this board including Kristol, Dr. Gates has been a professor at Harvard since 1991. You would think by now the neighbors would have gotten used to having a black man in the neighborhood. If this same situation had happened with a white man pushing in the front door to his house would the neighbor have called the police? I think not. Obivously, the female 911 caller is either new to the neighborhood or didn't care to realize it was her black neighbor having a problem with his front door.

As to calling out doctors who like to prescribe a battery of tests so that they can get more money from the insurance companies, there are many out there who do. There have been plenty of doctors who have overcharged Medicare and Medicaid for payments and they have done the same for their patients who have had private insurance. So don't make all doctors out there to be saints.

The problem with Kristol and the rest of the Republicans is that they have no ideas how to fix the health care system in this country. So rather than help Obama, they would rather make this fight about him since it gets the red meat crowd riled up. And of course the base allows itself to be riled up instead of stopping to think why the Repubs would do this. Because it helps their corporate masters. Who cares about the average Joe when they are taking millions in campaign donations from corporations?

Posted by: missgrundy | July 23, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

People have been trying to "reform" the American health care system for about 100 years. It's now crunch time. Because it has been put off for so long the new plan is a nightmare, with all kinds of rules and regulations that will take years for their adverse impacts to be fully understood.

But one thing is for sure: defeat it and the next bill will be ten times worse and five times more expensive.

If there's one thing that history proves it's that no one can stop an idea whose time has come.

Posted by: redrider26p | July 23, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

And you are the poster example for racism at it's best.
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And that is the ultimate reason that is getting us pretty sick and tired. What about the fact that this professor acted stupidly himself and charges were droppede because of pressure from the press and racism charges?

While I know that there is abuse within the police and problems in our society, crying racism every time that there is an incident is getting a lot of people tired of this use and abuse of terms.

Our society is evolving fast and we are a nation of many immigrants and minorities and the time has come for everyone to realize that we have to leave those old hatreds in the past and leave the entitlement mentality and recognize that each and everyone of us can now get ahead through the fruits of our hard work and that we all have to EARN our dues. Let's grow up!!!!

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

If there's one thing that history proves it's that no one can stop an idea whose time has come.

Posted by: redrider26p | July 23, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse
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And how are you so certain that the time is right for this idea? Is this why Obama seems so desperate to jam this proposal through out throats? Remember that one of the traits that distinguish us as americans is that we are pragmatists. And reason will prevail.

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Jainr Wrote...

"Why is WaPo wasting opinion page space on this wacko? Kick out this lunatic political hack and bring a genuine conservative who at least attempts to make sense."

Good point, Jainr. Here's my take. Keep in mind this is coming from a guy who personally admires the President, and doesn't really have anything against liberals, but who simply does not trust the media at all.

There is no longer any real political opposition to the Post's left-leaning proclivities. It's good for their agenda, but bad for selling newspapers. Think of it, without George bush to beat up on, there's really no reason for the loyal liberal minions to read the paper. After all, even the most bleeding-heart liberal would still have a hard time reading a periodical that appears to continually genuflect before the altar of the left and shouts resounding hosannas to our President. Without controversy, opposing views or dirt, the paper would get a bit stale.

So, in order to drum up the semblance of objectivity and balance (without ever really intending to be objective or balanced, mind you)they pay a political straw-men like Mr. Kristol to write a nonsensical column. And we poor, dumb sheep drink their Koolaid every day.

IMHO, in doing so, this once great newspaper is doing everyone a great disservice.

Posted by: jemoorman | July 23, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

And that is the ultimate reason that is getting us pretty sick and tired. What about the fact that this professor acted stupidly himself and charges were droppede because of pressure from the press and racism charges?

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 2:00 PM
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Now you're just writing stupidity. The police officer had ZERO right to even enter Gates' home and since he did, Gates had EVERY right to berate the officer and blow his top. It might be a bit foolish (since it just encourages further police abuse) but, as has been repeatedly pointed out, it is NOT illegal and NO cause for arrest. The charges were dropped because the cop had NO legal basis for doing what he did. He will be lucky if Gates doesn't sue him and win.

As for your comments on health care and the scale of the required system in the US, why on earth would the number of participants make ANY difference at all? Plus, you may wish to note that Europe is NOT a country.

Posted by: laslo23 | July 23, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

The cops arrested the guy in his own living room after he had shown ID to prove it was his house!!! He was photoed in handcuffs on his own front porch!

But of course, black cops arrest 60 year old white guys all the time.

Do you ever realize what a stupid, self-righteous clown you are, Kristol?

Posted by: joebanks | July 23, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Two pictures taken the day of the kerfuffle at Gates' home, apparently during the arrest, clearly show two black police officers among those present. A very irate Gates is also captioned apparently yelling at the policemen, ( who at least in the picture seem bored with the vitriol being heaped upon them by yet another Very Important And Famous Harvard Intellectual Who's Much Smarter And More Important than they are ).

As noted in even the AP reports that broke the story, Gates' choose to get his knickers in a twist and refuse to answer police questions, ( who were only there because they'd been called, responding to a possible burglary, to protect Gates' home ), until after he'd had his say about the failure of the officer's on scene to adequately recognize and respect his fame.

It's pretty clear from all published accounts that what really lies at the heart of Gate's apoplectic irritation is the fact that the Cambridge Police Department had failed to adequately educate all officers in their employ with the fame and celebrity of Henry Louis Gates and so likewise cause the police to squander an opportunity to render up abject obeisance sufficient to Mr. Gates' mien.

The happy news here for all concerted with fairness and diversity is that hubris apparently knows no racial boundaries.

Posted by: China_Rider | July 23, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

ablum1 wrote:
It is entirely possible that Professor Gates did get upset with the police officer at the scene. But, the officer needs to keep his cool in situations like this--- and to arrest someone for a situation that arose from trying to get back into his own home suggests that the officer might have been a bit angry himself. The officer should have walked away after it was established that this was Gates' home.
^^^^^^^^^

You're forgetting that the objective of the typical cop is to arrest every black man that he can in order to get him into the system. So now, Gates, who probably didn't have a police record, now has one. He's therefore easy to track, especially if he had to give a DNA sample in addition to his fingerprints and mug shot. It's irrelevant if he's innocent.

Posted by: redrider26p | July 23, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

The cop was stupid, this editorial is stupid and this paper was stupid to hire Bill after the Times fired him.

Posted by: 1armywife | July 23, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Reading each and every one of the posts above, if anything at all has been proved, or even has the preponderance of the evidence on its side, it is that no one -- but no one --
manifests hissing, seething venom as easily as they breathe
than the ultra liberal psyche. Images of teeth-baring, snarling, fist-clenching extremist Muslim mobs come to mind.

Posted by: hoya72 | July 23, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Who the heck hired Bill Crystal at the Washington Post? Since when the WaPo hires the New York Times rejections? Get him out of here PLEASE!

Posted by: icefranco1 | July 23, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Way to go Obama. You just lost the support of two special groups: doctors and police officers.

This was not your best night. You were disoriented and grumpy. Get more rest.

Posted by: Kansas28 | July 23, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

vjberea wrote:
The police asked for ID and Gates showed his University ID. Gates didn't respond by saying this is my house, he responded when the police asked why he was there with "why, because I'm black" Right off the top......2 reasons to arrest him.
^^^^^^^

I know that there are laws against almost everything in America but I'm not familiar with those two. Can you please provide us with links to those two laws?

Posted by: redrider26p | July 23, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

So far Obama has not delivered on a single successful program - unless you consider piling up the largest deficit in history a success. I'm not sure why he needs to rush through another trillion $$ program that no one has had the time to thoroughly digest and adequately debate.

I do not believe the government is capable of managing their way out of a paper bag no matter which party is holding the majority. If Obama wants us to believe government is the answer, he should do so pragmatically. He stated Medicare and Medicaid are huge problems.

I would like to see him successfully convert one of those programs to Obamacare. Of he can turn around Medicare, then I am all for giving him some latitude with the rest of our nations healthcare. Until he can do that he should not infuse another layer of bureaucracy on the existing system and tell us it will be better and cheaper.

Posted by: mobileclem | July 23, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama is so far over his head it's embarrassing. We see now (some of us knew all along) he had reached his watermark as a community organizer..

Posted by: SMWE357 | July 23, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I have to say, last night's press conference made me so angry that for the first time, I regretted having voted for Obama back in November. Not only was he was insulting to the medical community, but he proved to everyone that he knows absolutely nothing about how the healthcare system works. I could get into it now, but I wouldn't even know where to begin. To top things off, he gave an incorrect and clearly biased account of what happened to Professor Gates (FYI Mr. President: Mr. Gates did NOT present his ID to the cops when they asked for it... he became irate and refused).

For all his charm and intelligence, he sure made himself look like a dumb jerk last night.

Posted by: mht831 | July 23, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Bill,
what's with the imbecil smile on your face anyway?

Posted by: icefranco1 | July 23, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

To the liberals who are taking shots at this article and the writer,

If you want your criticism to be taken seriously, at least address the points in the article. Most of these comments go off on liberal tangents that have nothing to do with the facts presented or the opinion expressed by the writer.

I don't know why I'm surprised. This is the typical liberal response to reason. Spin the conversation to something else that has nothing to do with the original topic, and more importantly - nothing to do with fact. There’s plenty of emotion though.

Note to liberals – 10 pounds of unbridled emotion does not equal one ounce of reasoned argument. Although, it might get you elected President.

Posted by: MikeKohout | July 23, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

mht831, why I don't believe you voted for Obama anyway? It is an old tactic to sound like somebody with "buyer regret" to give some form of credibility to a criticism...you don't fool me buddy!
I bet you are a Palin supporter...

Posted by: icefranco1 | July 23, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

To the liberals who are taking shots at this article and the writer,

If you want your criticism to be taken seriously, at least address the points in the article. Most of these comments go off on liberal tangents that have nothing to do with the facts presented or the opinion expressed by the writer.

I don't know why I'm surprised. This is the typical liberal response to reason. Spin the conversation to something else that has nothing to do with the original topic, and more importantly - nothing to do with fact. There’s plenty of emotion though.

Note to liberals – 10 pounds of unbridled emotion does not equal one ounce of reasoned argument. Although, it might get you elected President.

Posted by: MikeKohout | July 23, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse
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Typical liberal this, typical liberal that. I can tell you, I've got no patience with extremists on either side. Unfortunately, Kristol is one.

Posted by: billy8 | July 23, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

stanisman wrote: As an active police officer with over 35 years service I am offended by the President's comment "acted stupidly."
The police are often faced with very limited options as to actions taken and there is always someone who will say the wrong thing was done. I believe this President is beginning to lose his luster. He's over exposed and I have to wonder about his handlers.
^^^^^^

Who's your favorite hero cop, Bull Connor or the Philadelphia cops who firebombed the MOVE folks in 1985 and burned down a city block? Or is it the cops who made crispy critters out of the nutcases in Waco?

Maybe if the earlier Presidents had spoken out against police excesses we wouldn't be discussing it today.

Posted by: redrider26p | July 23, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Well, Gates wins the BET drama queen award hands down. What a buffoon. Black in America, my a&&. What about the mayor of Berywn Heights Md, who had his door kicked down and his dogs assassinated by the PG county hit quads?

Too bad he wasn't black - or at least the dog weren't black - he would have gotten mention by the drama queen in chief.

This mouthy parasite will ride this one all the way to the bank - and the stooopid media will hold his hand the whole way.

Personally, I am going to donate money to the Cambridge Police department for whatever benevolent fund they may have in honor of their guy not taking crap from this "professor."

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | July 23, 2009 5:11 AM
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I can promise you that an ideologue like yourself wants nothing to do with the "People's Republic" of Cambridge.

Posted by: billy8 | July 23, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

etpietro wrote:
Obama has only done one thing successfully in his whole life: run for office.
^^^^^^^

Let's see: He came from a poor family, attended Occidental College, graduated from Columbia and Harvard, worked 12 years as a law professor at the University of Chicago Law School, wrote a book, elected to the Illinois State Senate, and got people to give him over $656 million in his effort to become POTUS.

Now that may not seem impressive to you but what have you done in comparison?

Posted by: redrider26p | July 23, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

A Headline Bernaise would have been very proud of, but it's a lie by omission.

Why do all the A-holes of the world seem to think that lying as a natural born way of life is okay?

For instance, this headline "Obama attacks docs and cops" you seem to have omitted the words, "stupid cops" - and it reads like he is attacking the nation's law enforcement institutions. He is not.

So bite me, writer.

You are a liar. or maybe you think you're the spin meister.

I think you're an A-hole for writing this crappy headline.

So much so that I don't think I'll bother reading ANY of your "work", ever.

cuz like, you're a liar.

Posted by: pgibson1 | July 23, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

AN AFTER OBAMA 911 DISPATCH CALL.....

OFFICER:911 whats your emgergency?

CITIZEN:Someone's breaking into my neighbors house!!! Come QUICK!!!

OFFICER: Description.

CITIZEN: Black male, five foot ten, red shirt blue jeans, he's got a Nine Millmeter semi automatic, and a crowbar.

OFFICER: Sorry. Our Lawyers under Team Obama now require us to KNOW that this black suspect is the homeowner and it is RACIST to assume otherwise.

CITIZEN: But he's breaking in !!!!!

OFFICER: Call Obama, the White House number is ............

Posted by: JaxMax | July 23, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I would say Obama is like a pond, somewhat broad, but not too deep. But after seeing him in action for 6 months, I wouldn't insult ponds like that..

Posted by: SMWE357 | July 23, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Of course we all know that the wingnuts will say ANYTHING to prevent health care reform from taking place. The conservative position on the Obama administration was set in the beginning when Limbaugh announced that he wanted the stimulus package to fail. Now they have decided that Obama's comments on the Gates arrest are an opening. Poor Kristol. Doesn't he know that most regular people have already met these cops? It isn't even a race issue. It is an overbearing self-important slap-happy cop issue, and I'm glad the President said what he did.

Posted by: gposner | July 23, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Mr. Kristol didn't like his experience when he co-taught that one course at Harvard. Those darned "arrogant" professors who do this for a living must've said something about his NEOCON DELUSIONS.

It's obvious Kristol knows even less about the state of our healthcare system than he did about his years of cheerleading for the Iraq invasion.

Why the Post continues to give ignorant guys like Kristol a platform is beyond me.

Posted by: joy2 | July 23, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Where have you been Mr. Kristol? While Obama's doc analogy wasn't the strongest he could have used it is totally true that docs waste a lot of time wrangling with insurance companies so they can simply give care. So long as the profit motive and insurance co. interference are allowed to dictate how we get care it we will all suffer higher costs and lower quality care.

On the break-in, Obama said flat out that the Prof was his friend, he didn't have all the facts and that he was biased. So I think he had all the necessary disclaimers up front. He could have said he didn't have all the facts and not responded to the question. But he did effectively highlight the fact that racial profiling is still a problem in this country. You think race has disappeared as a problem and the President shouldn't discuss it?

C'mon. Get a life!

Posted by: eaglepeak | July 23, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Now you're just writing stupidity. The police officer had ZERO right to even enter Gates' home and since he did, Gates had EVERY right to berate the officer and blow his top. It might be a bit foolish (since it just encourages further police abuse) but, as has been repeatedly pointed out, it is NOT illegal and NO cause for arrest. The charges were dropped because the cop had NO legal basis for doing what he did. He will be lucky if Gates doesn't sue him and win.

As for your comments on health care and the scale of the required system in the US, why on earth would the number of participants make ANY difference at all? Plus, you may wish to note that Europe is NOT a country.
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Evidently you failed to read and understand my comments : Once more:

On President's Obama comments on Prof. Gates my point is that as an intelligent individual and our President he should have refrained himself from calling these officers as behaving stupidly because he DID NOT have all of the FACTS. This statement was IRRESPONSIBLE and full of bias and at most a slippage that gives us a true glimpse of who Obama is. Many of you are too quick to cry racism and do not know the facts surrounding the arrest.

With respect to my points on a proposal for socialized health care, many of you are quick to compare this vast nation of 300+ million citizens with other countries like Canada, Israel and many in Europe. These are small countries and do not compare with us. My point is that many of you forget the great problems that the federal government has with managing MEDICARE, MEDICAID and SSI. And this President fails to do his research and does not look at the fiasco with these programs and then wants an elephant of a major task to centralize and manage the entire notion. Go and do your research before you open your mouth and call someone else stupid. I have 30+years of record as a past federal Manager in the Social Security Administration and certainly I am against expanding management when these programs have not been managed well at all. Believe me when I tell you that they are riddled with FRAUD, ABUSE and INCOMPETENCE. And it would be a major nightmare that I don't wish on anyone.

Hope this can help you!!!!

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

JaxMax
Check your facts. President Obama said everything was FINE...the police were doing their duty. What was NOT FINE was after the point when Professor Gates had shown the cops his identification that PROVED this was IN HIS OWN HOUSE. It was then that several more cops showed up and the Professor got angry, so they arrested him.

Wouldn't you be irritated at being arrested after you proved you were in your own home? I wish you so-called conservatives would remember that you once stood for the right to privacy. Now, you want to stick your noses into everyone's personal business.

Posted by: joy2 | July 23, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Bill is trying very hard to still be an credible source.....one word for Bill....PUTZ.

Posted by: marckroll | July 23, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I am stunned by Mr. Kristol's lack of respect for property rights.

In one's own home, on one's own land, according to the traditional laws of this country and taking a conservative reading, one does not have to be polite to anyone, including the police.

No that should be especially the police. It was his home, he proved it, and he has the property rights to yell and scream on his own land.

Posted by: stepm1 | July 23, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

First of all, I'm really glad Mr. Kristol was released from the NYTimes op-ed staff. What a sheer waste of space! For someone who graduated from Harvard, received a Phd in Government, and has ventured in creating several think tank groups, Mr. Kristol has to be one of the least intelligent, least informed political commentators we have in this country. Maybe a notch above Ann Coulter at best.

Mr. Kristol, as Jon Stewart once famously stated, "are you EVER right?" You were wrong about Iraq, wrong about the 2008 presidential campaign, and lie through your teeth about everything.

You should know something about arrogance because you were a Harvard professor. Shame, I can't believe Harvard would hire someone like you, but I guess Larry Summers was once the president of the college, so that does speak loudly of Harvard's reputation.

You honestly have nothing intelligent to say about the health care issue nor do you care to provide any suggestions as to how to fix it. You'll be passed along from newspaper to newspaper until they all finally realize how terrible and unprofessional you are.

Posted by: adam23 | July 23, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Did the Columnist just call our president "juvenile"? I am appalled and this goes beyond simple contrasting opinion, to downright seditious behaviour.

Posted by: wlockhar | July 23, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Why does the Post allow this imbecile to opine?

Posted by: henson1 | July 23, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

face, Bill Kristol is an A-HOLE. It really is that simple.

Posted by: weberd | July 23, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Why do you even publish the comments of this clown. He was the stupid head of P.N.A.C. when they were instrumental in getting us involved in Iraq. Not then, and not since, has he ever made a positive contribution to our nation.

Posted by: dandb3 | July 23, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Once again Mr. Kristol has proven himself to be the country's leading A-HOLE.

Posted by: Bushwhacked1 | July 23, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

President Obama was damn right in calling the cop incident stupid. We have a rogue cop on the sreets who is raiding homes and arresting people and making wild accusations against the victim in return to justify his actions. I don't know how someone can possibly support that rogue cop and criticize Obama for it. I did not vote for Obama in the last elections but I fully support his views on this issue.

As for Bill Cristol, he is a criminal, not a journolist. A disgusting p*g.

Posted by: nri1998 | July 23, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I love the libs name callin! Apparently it's all they got! Also I have seen many posts that say that Kristol supported the illegal invasion of Iraq. May I ask what criminal laws were broken? Also I have seen many posts that agree with President Obama that he inherited the deficit from Bush and that's the problem. Ok, for the sake of debate lets say it's all Bush's fault. Bush's deficit caused all this. Well, the next question would be, how does Obama increasing the deficit 7 times or more the average of the Bush deficits solve the problem. If borrowing money cause this problem, how does borrowing over 7 times more solve it? I'm sure your liberal answers will be more name calling. Have a great day!!

Posted by: mcnamarabills | July 23, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I disagree with Bill Kristol on most topics. But I have to agree President Obama should not have offered his uninformed opinion on professor Gates arrest. This will prove to be a very costly misteak. Very costly. And this is not a threat but a disappointing observation.

Posted by: jmarchitell | July 23, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Rookie errors by Obama last night. The cops goof was just plain stupid...on his part..but it wasnt part of his script and he went off teleprompter and told people what he was feeling...bad move.

couple it with softball questions, self congratulatory pronouncements and broad brush a/o sidestep answers and you have a as Krauthammer mentioned, a masterful performance of saying nothing on healthcare for 1 hour...

Posted by: capntrips | July 23, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"Does Obama really think pediatricians knowingly order unnecessary tonsillectomies in order to “make a lot more money?”"

He does, we all do. The Mayo Clinic says so, and the Cleveland clinic and Kiaser Permanente agree, and can document hheir cases.

Everyone who is trying to get a national health care system (as opposed to Republicans who want to insure that we don't get a national health care system, like Kristol, like Boehner, and McConnell, and the bulk of the republicans in Congress) says the the primary problem with fee for service medicine is that if you don't perform the service you don't get paid, so when in any state but certainty about the inadvisability of treatment, go ahead and treat, so you get paid.

What we really need is a voluntary health care system, alright. The Federal Government, and the States, should they wish to cooperate, should run a Hospital and clinic system, probably free, but at most for nominal office visit fees, (not more than ten dollars per visit). Open to anyone who walks in. (Pay for it with tariffs) Scale the system so that those hospitals and clinics ordinarily operate at between seventy and eighty percent of capacity, and its health care employees work thirty to thirty hours a week on patient care, and use the rest of the time for professional development.

You can still go th whatever non government doctor you want to if you can afford to, and since these doctors working for the Feds or the states will be stabil in their practices you can find a doctor you like for your personal physician from among the State employed doctors. If you have to have that private doctor, you figure out how to pay him.

Under that system expect that the vast bulk of patients will choose State medical care, and most of the more competent doctors will choose some kind of government employment.

Our health care system would vastly improve for the majority of Americans, and in total we would spend much less on health care than we do now.

But that would be socialism, and from the professed Republican point of view better that every American die of starvation and disease than that we get Socialism on this continent.

The Republicans have had fifteen years to come up with workable national health care. If they were going to try they would have already. Now it is time for the Dem,ocrats to do something, get it passed, and then adjust, tinker, and )probably) meddle till it really works.

The Republicans have no intention of cooperating under any circumstances so don't bother asking.

Give us universal health care NOW!

Posted by: ceflynline | July 23, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I think this line says it all:

"Maybe it was Professor Gates who behaved stupidly, or at least arrogantly."

Bill suggests that behaving "arrogantly" towards a cop gives the cop the right to arrest you and take you downtown. That's a police-state mentality.

Little story here, Bill, about cops and the liberty they take with their badges. About a year ago, while walking across the street in a marked crosswalk, an unmarked police car came within about 6 inches of hitting me and my companion. I had been watching this car approach all the way from the other end of the block, staring him down the whole way because the jerk was accelerating as he approached. So, as he passed us within 6 inches of hitting us - we had barely gone past the middle of the street - I turned, stopped, and stared him down. We continued walking towards the other side of the street, while the car screeched to a stop just on the other side of the intersection - and a flashing light started up on the dash. By the time we reached the sidewalk, the policeman in his unmarked car had backed up through the intersection, rolled down his window, and was saying in the snidest voice you can imagine, "can I help you with something?" To which I replied, "No sir, I'm just wondering what in the world you think you're doing speeding up as you approach pedestrians trying to cross the street in front of you." As other people approach the restaurant, they're hearing the exchange too - probably 10 people. And the cop just kind of mumbled something about how he "didn't think he was going that fast." I told him to have a nice afternoon and turned to go inside. This whole time, my companion had gone white as a sheet and was saying stuff like, "that's a cop!" and "he's coming back!", to which I was saying "big deal; it's not illegal to give a cop a dirty look." He was really worried I was going to get hauled in, because I had stared down a driver who turned out to be a cop.

Cops are as prone to jerk behavoir as anyone. Some of them then like to try to put the screws to you if you call them out on it. I would say that even not having been there, once Mr. Gates was in his house and had demonstrated that it was his home, there's nothing he could have said, short of spilling a story about a body buried in the basement, that can justify arresting him and hauling him in. That's nothing more than throwing weight around. I think any reasonable person would agree, which is why you, Bill, don't get it.

And BTW, Bill, congratulations on slipping "uppity" into the justification through the clever word choice of "arrogant." It's obviously this mastery of wordsmithing that secured you your position with the Post, because as we all know, you've never been right about anything. You're kind of like an anti-Cassandra.

Posted by: JennOfArk | July 23, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

after carefully reading the police report, I can only conclude that the officer simply didn't like the way Mr Gates was yelling at him, had the guts to ask him for his badge number so he decided to to arrest him to show who is the Boss. Would he have done the same if Gates was white?. probably not.. that's why it's a matter of racism...

Posted by: djiine | July 23, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Kristol's comments about what the president said regarding Gates' subsequent arrest following his identification as the owner of the house, predicated his statement on the assumption that the facts presented were true, Kristol's parsing of the words, notwithstanding. I don't like Kristol -- he is mealy-mouthed and often untruthful; however, he is no different than many on either side of this argument. One must carefully consider what is said and look for what is missing in the piece.

Posted by: Diogenes | July 23, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Bill1230,
What happened inside the house of Gates is debatable but not the fact that he was arrested in his own house. Even the police department is not disputing that. That's breaking the law by rogue cops. If you can't understand the issue and laws broken here, then I pity those clients who hire you as an attorney. Look for some other profession.

The fact is, we have one more rogue cop on the streets, raiding homes and arresting people in their own homes.

Posted by: nri1998 | July 23, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of "knowing what I'm talking about", Little Smilin' Billy, as we all know,you and your neocon pals talked America into an unecessary preemptive war on the wrong country which has killed 4,000+ Americans and countless Iraqis. So for once in your life, wipe that obnoxious, condescending smirk off your face and shut your neocon trap.

Posted by: mybandy | July 23, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

As soon as I heard the word "stupidly" slip through the President's lips, I wished oh so badly that I could see Rahm Emanuel's face.

I pictured Rahm immediately slapping both palms to the side of his head, and hissing "NOOOOO!!!!". Rahm is smart, and I'm sure immediately knew that instead of swaying people to embrace their socialized approach to health care 'reform', as the press conference was intended to do, Obama's use of the word "stupidly" would dominate the Thursday morning discussion at breakfast tables and in break rooms across the fruited plain.

Rahm had to be thinking, "dude...wag a finger, threaten, give misleading stats, tell a heart-warming story....do ANYTHING but call a cop stupid!".

I may be getting ahead of myself, but I think 12 months from now most experts will agree that last night's presser was the beginning of the end to UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE REFORM v 2.0.

Posted by: dbw1 | July 23, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

mybandy:

Could you tell us how many Americans have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan since Obama was sworn in?

Now that Bush is no longer President I never see the scorecard in the mainstream press anymore, so thought maybe you were keeping tally since you acted like you have a firm grasp on it....

Posted by: dbw1 | July 23, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

The police arrested a black man trying to gain entry into his own home, Bill.

Then charged him with disorderly conduct because they thought he got a little too uppity for their liking.

We're left only to imagine your outrage if Gates had been a babbling neocon columnist.

Posted by: YouryellowribbonmagnetwontgetyouintoHeavenanymore | July 23, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Obama is a jackass and racist opportunist. Thank goodness Affimative Action was able to shuffle his shifty, modest mind through the esteemed gates of Academia, and position him to become the greatest failure of modern-era presidents. Why do I have to witness this? It makes me angry...

Posted by: wcmillionairre | July 23, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I support law enforcement - not every officer. Like in ANY other line of work, the stupid ones are, well, stupid.

Naturally Kristol-nacht favors a stupid policeman's right to arrest you on your own front porch for nothing more than speaking your mind directly to them.

How many of us ever wanted to speak our mind to an arrogant cop but didn't because we didn't want to get in further trouble?

Gates stood up for his rights as an American, practiced real free speech on his porch, and was arrested for it.

THAT is what Kristol-nacht supports.

Posted by: onestring | July 23, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

nri1998:
"The fact is, we have one more rogue cop on the streets, raiding homes and arresting people in their own homes."

Did you read the account that two cops who showed up shortly after the white cop agreed with how he handled the situation? Neither of the cops were white; one was black and one was Hispanic.

You sound pretty prejudiced so I'm not sure facts will sway your bias, but just thought I would throw that out there in case it might.

Posted by: dbw1 | July 23, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

And now for the response to Kristols White upper class knee jerk response to Obama on police stupidity:

"Second, Obama answered a question about his friend Henry Louis Gates’s run-in with the Cambridge cops, after acknowledging “not having been there and not seeing all the facts,” by nonetheless asserting that “the Cambridge police acted stupidly.” Does he really know enough about what happened to say that?"

Would you like to bet that Obama has more than ample personal experience of such treatment to make a good guess?

Most of the cops in the country have schooled themselves well to never vocalize the N word, but so many of them still have the old attitudes, "I don't have to put up with this from some N>>>"

That situation didn't have to happen, because that SGT should have been better trained about dealing with such ambiguous situations. Even from what little has come out to the public it is apparent that he failed to follow proper procedures:

Identify yourself as a police officer, by rank, name, and badge or ID.

Explain the nature of the call. (Politely)

Explain the probable cause. (Politely)

Ask for ID, (Politely)

Expect push back and deal with it politely.

Be reasonable and responsible.

Be willing to admit that dispatch may be in error.

My experience is that virtually none of those conditions were even marginally met.

He, after all, was a SGT, and THEY, after all, were (spoken aloud) Suspects) (and internally identified; N>>>s)

It is possible to teach police departments better operating theories, but it is never easy, and it almost never gets the top down direction and bottom up support needed to make it stick.

When it DOES stick, you get police departments who actually get the benefit of the doubt from all parts of the community.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 23, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Let me paint a picture: the arresting cop is black, the professor is white, and the black officer arrests the white professor after the professor walks out on the porch behind him yelling racist insults.

The following day in an interview, Sarah Palin says the cop acted stupidly in arresting the white guy.

Wonder how quickly the blind-support-at-all-costs liberals on here would change their tune? I bet it could be measured in nanoseconds....

Posted by: dbw1 | July 23, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Got a better health plan?--lets see it. I'll take President Obama as a friend any day over you-at least I know he would back me up.

Posted by: jstewartecu | July 23, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

He was off-prompter, of course he screwed it up..

Posted by: SMWE357 | July 23, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Has Sen. Chrissy Dodd (D - CT) refinanced his Countrywide loan ?

Posted by: hclark1 | July 23, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama's word choice was perfect: the cops "acted stupidly". Not "the cops are stupid" not "this was a racial incident", just a simple "they acted stupidly". And in fact they did; they could have calmly responded to Gates regardless of what he said, made apologies for his troubles, and left. They went the extra mile to arrest him and haul him in. Bully cop syndrome happens with cops and civilians of all races, so there's no clear-cut example of profiling here - but it's a really clear case of police bullying. So "acted stupidly" is a very concise way of stating the case.

Posted by: JennOfArk | July 23, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

ceflynline:

The white cop who arrested Prof Gates was the same guy who several years ago gave mouth-to-mouth CPR to Reggie Lewis, a black former Celtic draftee, when he collapsed on a basketball court. He must really hate black people, huh?

Posted by: dbw1 | July 23, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"The white cop who arrested Prof Gates was the same guy who several years ago gave mouth-to-mouth CPR to Reggie Lewis, a black former Celtic draftee, when he collapsed on a basketball court. He must really hate black people, huh?"

Reggie died didn't he?

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | July 23, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse


mybandy:

Could you tell us how many Americans have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan since Obama was sworn in?

Now that Bush is no longer President I never see the scorecard in the mainstream press anymore, so thought maybe you were keeping tally since you acted like you have a firm grasp on it....

Posted by: dbw1 | July 23, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse
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The only place I've seen a running tally consistently in place was on the News Hour. They still do it.
The war in Iraq is no longer interesting to most people. The media is in the buisness of selling papers. If people don't care, they'll run "Celebritology" instead.

Posted by: billy8 | July 23, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

President to African-Americans: If a police officer ever requests you show identification, I hereby condone the throwing of a self-righteous fit.

Posted by: ethanm | July 23, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Go and do your research before you open your mouth and call someone else stupid. I have 30+years of record as a past federal Manager in the Social Security Administration and certainly I am against expanding management when these programs have not been managed well at all. Believe me when I tell you that they are riddled with FRAUD, ABUSE and INCOMPETENCE. And it would be a major nightmare that I don't wish on anyone.

Hope this can help you!!!!"

Posted by: Hispana | July 23, 2009 3:30 PM
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I guess we'll just have to accept your ipse dixit on that. In other words your argument is that any such system will be abused and therefore a large system is worst of all because there will be more abuse (you don't, of course, describe . Funny how the vaunted private system in the US delivers the worst outcomes of any industrialized nation, costs the MOST and spends more on administrative and legal costs than ANY other system known. Presumably you also feel similarly about your hugely wasteful, fraud-riddled and incompetent procurement system at the Pentagon?

As for your ongoing stubbornness regarding the Gates issue, try and grasp that the police officer had NO LEGAL RIGHT to even question Gates OR remain on his property after Gates identified himself. Read the police report at smokinggun.com and you will see this issue was cleared up almost right away. The only problem the officer had was with a civilian giving him back-talk, something which Gates had EVERY right to do and, given free speech rights, he could have told the officer to F-off or F-himself or whatever and the officer should take it and GET OFF HIS PROPERTY. It's not about racism, it's about police abuse of power and THAT is why the charges were dropped. As I say, I'll be surprised if Gates doesn't sue and win.

Posted by: laslo23 | July 23, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I've not read ANY of your (brilliant) comments, BUT, naturally, I am very ready to give my opinion: I've read the comments from the cop, and I do really think that this is an opportunity, not a problem. Let's get Professor Gates (hey, I am a Professor), our wonderful President (I hope you voted for him!), and, that nice cop, together at the White House, and have them discuss the matter online. Nothing but good could come of it!

Posted by: henry6 | July 23, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

ceflynline said: "That situation didn't have to happen, because that SGT should have been better trained about dealing with such ambiguous situations."

Not that you should let facts sway your ranting opinion, but 'that SGT' not only was trained, he was the trainer. Per an AP article in the Boston Globe:

"Cambridge Sgt. James Crowley has taught a class about racial profiling for five years at the Lowell Police Academy after being hand-picked for the job by former police Commissioner Ronny Watson, who is black, said Academy Director Thomas Fleming. "I have nothing but the highest respect for him as a police officer. He is very professional and he is a good role model for the young recruits in the police academy," Fleming told The Associated Press on Thursday. The course, called "Racial Profiling," teaches about different cultures that officers could encounter in their community "and how you don't want to single people out because of their ethnic background or the culture they come from," Fleming said."

Ceflynline, if you are jumping to such rapid conclusions about how this white cop must feel about black people, based on knowing little more than he is white and a cop, then who exactly is the prejudiced and biased person here?

Posted by: dbw1 | July 23, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Now, at least, there is some documentation to review to form an opinion; the full police report has been released. Of course this will not result in consensus as each reader will look into it to find corroboration of their reflexive reaction. Yes, the report does state Gates was ranting and challenging the officer. What is revealing, however, is that initially this behavior by Gates occurred while he was inside his residence. The officer did not arrest him at this time. However, the officer stated that he told Gates in response to several requests by Gates for the officer's name and badge number that he would have to come out of his home and talk to him outside to get that information, even though the officer said he had supplied that information a couple of times. When Gates left his house, continuing with the same rant, the officer arrested him. He charged Gates with disorderly conduct "in public." Apparently the officer wanted to arrest Gates, but did not want to/could not as long as Gates was in a private residence. It appears, under the guise of working out the issue with Gates, that he lured him outside in offer to be able to charge him with disorderly conduct. From this perspective it appears as if the officer baited Gates, engaging in a form of entrapment; after all, as a trained officer, he is more familiar with the legal code than Gates. If the officer wanted to defuse the situation, letting tempers cool in a situation that clearly resulted from a misunderstanding, why did he urge Gates on several occasions to step outside his home? It is obvious that egos were involved and less than adult behavior was exhibited, but this was not one sided; the officer acted less than professionally, apparently wishing to call to task a citizen that challenged his authority (one can only surmise if this was racially motivated or not) , which, I believe is the gist of the president’s comments. If Gates follows through on his threat to sue, the courts can work it out. At this juncture it seems that the strength of his case will depend on the ability of his lawyer, and Gates will be able to hire a good one. In most such situations the best advice would be for him to drop the matter, but what if he weren’t a high profile individual? It is likely that the average black man would still be in jail.

Posted by: csintala79 | July 23, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

dbw1:

Obama didn't lie us into this disatern in Iraq. that was Cheney, Bush and the neocon-men. Obama now has to do his best to clean up this Bush disaster along with the rest of them, foreign and domestic.

Posted by: mybandy | July 23, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

...."stupidly".....

And now we know why they resist letting the man talk without a teleprompter.....

Posted by: dbw1 | July 23, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

csintala79:

"If the officer wanted to defuse the situation, letting tempers cool in a situation that clearly resulted from a misunderstanding, why did he urge Gates on several occasions to step outside his home?"

Yes, entrapment is one possibility. Of course another possibility is that the 911 call said that TWO men were breaking into the house, and Crowley only saw one in front of him in the house. Could he have been wondering "where's the other guy?", and felt like he might be safer discussing matters outside?

Oh, and don't forget the part about Gates refusing to provide ID until the situation already escalated. A cop shows up alone to a report of TWO guys breaking and entering. He enters the residence and encounters one guy. The one guy he sees refuses to show his ID and starts getting belligerent.

Yes, I know. The cop should have just acted "politely", right 'ceflynline'?

Posted by: dbw1 | July 23, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Gates was in his home. He was arrested for being arrogant from what I understand. I think that it is a constitutional right to be arrogant, even to policemen, in your own home. Perhaps Mr. Kristol could enlighten us with all the neocons who have been accosted and arrested in their homes.

But I digress. Again, a conservative offers criticism of the Obama health plan without offering one of his own. What does Mr. Kristol suggest? As I have said before I think there should be a guideline enforced for all columnists in this paper. You cannot criticize a program unless you also offer an alternative. I have yet to hear a plan from Republicans or Conservatives that would cover all Americans with health care.

As for the much discussed loss of choice under a new health care plan, well how about now? There are over 45 million uninsured Americans who have NO CHOICE. What is Mr. Kristol's answer to that?

Posted by: nyrunner101 | July 23, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama knows how to talk to people to make believe that he really cares about our health care needs by not giving a detailed information about his health care proposal.He wants the senators to vote on the bill before the people gets all the information about it. He really does not care about us since he is the president and has the best health care coverage.
I am pretty sure Obama if the election is a clean one, he will be a one term president. I can't hardly wait for him to get out of the white house. His voice sounds so annoying already. He always play the pointing finger game. I hope he will go back to Chicago.
It is good that we have other TV stations like Fox News that gives us accurate information.

Posted by: lilibrooks | July 23, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

mtw0310 I agree with you completely. Why would someone be so into hurting and depriving people like old Billy Boy? For the money. You know what Kristol is--a squawk box for the corporate elite who own the world. They want everything, and if you get in the way you're road kill.

Posted by: crog56 | July 23, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Proof positive of the fall of WAPO.

This idiotic column recieves headline status all day.

"OBAMA HATES COPS AND DOCS!!! ZOMG!"

I can't wait for chuckles weekly "I really really really hate obama" rant tomorrow to complete the conservative trifecta.

Posted by: jbanks979 | July 23, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Proportion, Mr. Kristol, PROPORTION!!! Your outrage over Obama's comments about doctors and cops is way, WAY out of proportion. I watched the press conference, and Obama's general tone regarding doctors was anything but insulting. Even allowing that his example about an unnecessary treatment was poor, you'd have to be looking HARD for something to criticize to make a mountain out of this molehill. As for "Copgate" (get it?? a cop, Prof. Gates . . . oy!), pretty much the same story.

I'm sure Obama would like to take both comments back, but I don't think that most reasonable people will find his comments laden with disdain, as you charge. Most reasonable persons have disdain for those who cherry-pick an hour-long press conference looking for comments they can work themselves up into a tizzy over . . . And if you and the Repubs actually do derail the effort to reform health care, you'll be learning the hard way what disdain really is.

How long has it been since you wrote anything of substance?

Posted by: post_reader_in_wv | July 23, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Yes as Americans demand President Obama give us a health care system it's called attacking Doctors even when Doctors support President Obama. I guess Mr. Kristol believes arresting blacks is the American way. Yes the Racist KKK Republican followers would love to arrest our President for nothing more then being Black in America. Thank goodness we have more Americans who believe in Equal Rights then the few Racist hanging around.

Posted by: qqbDEyZW | July 23, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama spends too much time blaming people - Wall Street workers, Doctors, Cops. He needs to start acting like the president of the United States. His behavior is embarrassing.

Posted by: annoyed7 | July 23, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

The initial perception was he was a thug, some say race, others say a break in was reported. When he clearly identified himself and angrily berated the officers they took offense arresting him. I think the God with badge complex comes more into play than racism. Police should have thick skins accepting verbal but never physical confrontation. Had the officer said sorry for the mistake a break in was reported, the professor would not have gone off. A belated apology would probably make the professor drop his case. Probable cause should not mean color of skin with common sense as a guide.

Posted by: jameschirico | July 23, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

The arresting officer's name was
JIM CROWley. LMAO.

Posted by: 2greekdc | July 23, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Crowley's, the police officer, story is beginning to diverge from the police report he filed. In the report it is clearly stated that Crowley had concluded before Gates supplied his Harvard ID that Gates was the resident of the home. He asked Gates to come outside after Gate's repeated requests for the officer's name and badge number. Now in a statement to the press he is claiming that he asked Gates to come outside in order to obtain his ID and to determine if Gate's was the resident of the home. Which is the true story? Since Crowley had a chance to be advised by counsel before making a statement to the press that it can only be surmised that the officer's statement in the report could support Gate's claim of harassment. Things may not go well for Crowley as now he is changing a story that he certified as being correct, i.e., he is in danger of opening himself up to charges of falsifying a report or now lying.

Posted by: csintala79 | July 23, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

So, Bush was "stupid" (many more terms used here, but stupid fills the bill), the military was stupid in it's war on terror because it protected us from attack for years, Wall Street was and continues to be stupid in the way it handles money (it's life-blood), Republicans are stupid for not supporting liberal ideology, Congress is too stupid to read and understand legislation - so pass it quickly!, Americans are stupid because they voted for two terms of W, everyone ELSE is stupid...
Here's a chant, borrowed and adapted from one used by Bill Ayers;
HEY HEY HO HO, BHO HAS GOT TO GO!!!!!!!!!
Let's hope we survive as a free country until the Republicans take back congress next year.

Posted by: GodsCountry | July 23, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Newsflash for Mr. Kristol:

I get to be arrogant in my own house. Kinda part of the whole being an American thing you see. My house, my right to be arrogant. Once the cop knew it was the owner of the house he was dealing with, he should have left. Period.

Just because you have a badge on your chest does not make you God allmighty.

Posted by: foohog | July 23, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Contrast the treatment afforded sicko serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer with how eminent and renowned scholar Prof. Henry Louis Gates was treated...BTW: If Wm Kristol weren't a "legacy" offspring, would he have a column?

In the early morning hours of May 30, 1991, 14-year-old Konerak Sinthasomphone (by chance, the younger brother of the boy whom Dahmer had molested) was discovered on the street, wandering naked, heavily under the influence of drugs and bleeding from his rectum. Two young women from the neighborhood found the dazed boy and called 911. Dahmer chased his victim down and tried to take him away, but the women stopped him. Dahmer told police that Sinthasomphone was his 19-year-old boyfriend, and that they had an argument while drinking. Against the protests of the two women who had called 911, police turned him over to Dahmer. They later reported smelling a strange scent while inside Dahmer's apartment, but did not investigate it. The smell was the body of Tony Hughes, Dahmer's previous victim, decomposing in the bedroom. The two policemen failed to run a background check that would have revealed that Dahmer was a convicted sex offender and child molester still under probation. The officers laughed about the incident, one joking that his partner was "going to get deloused." Later that night, Dahmer killed and dismembered Sinthasomphone, keeping his skull as a souvenir.

Posted by: JDCP | July 23, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the tone of many of these comments is appalling. William Kristol presented a pretty reasonable analysis of the President's speech, but if you don't agree for heaven's sake say why, don't talk about Iraq.

Posted by: JamesFXOGara | July 23, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Yes, entrapment is one possibility. Of course another possibility is that the 911 call said that TWO men were breaking into the house, and Crowley only saw one in front of him in the house. Could he have been wondering "where's the other guy?", and felt like he might be safer discussing matters outside?

Oh, and don't forget the part about Gates refusing to provide ID until the situation already escalated. A cop shows up alone to a report of TWO guys breaking and entering. He enters the residence and encounters one guy. The one guy he sees refuses to show his ID and starts getting belligerent.

Yes, I know. The cop should have just acted "politely", right 'ceflynline'?

Posted by: dbw1 | July 23, 2009 5:05 PM
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First of all, Gates has no obligation to 'show his ID' in his OWN HOME, whether or NOT the cop knows it IS his home. Secondly, he DID show it and the cop states this in the police report. Thirdly, on what legal basis did the cop enter the house? The cop should have obeyed the law and acted 'politely' and LEFT after Gates identified himself as the homeowner. Since he didn't he should be sued and found liable, IMO.

Posted by: laslo23 | July 23, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I think that B.O.'s cheap shot regarding doctors and unnecessary tonsil operations was based on how a typical attorney would act in the same situation. That,after all, is how he was trained.

Posted by: student12 | July 23, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

The president has gotten 800 million conceded to seniors from pharma cutting the bankrupting donut in half. The bill took on too much too soon in this recessive economy. You lower the income tax and make a graduated capital gains tax for super earners over 1 million. Taxing only $750,000 payrolls up from $250,000 would protect the small corner supermarket from 8% tax of an already slim profit margin based on volume. We only pay less than 1/2 of 1% in court settlements, yet malpractice costs reach over 10% in some practices like obstretics. Doctors should self insure with large national medical boards to weed out incompetents and set rates. Tracking treatments can give doctor patients a menu of care and call doctors on the carpet that overtest or undertest to explain why to these boards. Doctors should not be allowed to own facilities outside their practice to stop churning and patient sharing between friendly doctors at testing facilities. We have a 2/1 ratio of specialists to GPs, the opposite of the rest of the world because specialists here earn more. A bump on the head with no signs of concussion wil be monitored by a GP, while the specialist will order CAT scans, MRI and who knows what else. We should make med school free for all GPs that sign a 10 year, $150,000/yr, 50 hr week, 50 week, 10% 401k with insurance paid to address that shortage. We should fund pre-nursing, pre-elderly care courses in our nations public and parochial schools to address that shortage. We spend 1/5 of 1% of medicaid/medicare dollars doing audits and fraud is rampant since doctors can't break even sometimes on current payment schedules. For profits like US Healthcare make 5 billion in profit, while nickel and diming patients, hospitals and doctors. The shy away from existing conditions with prohibitive fees leaving them to absorbed by non-profits whom rise rates. The way forward is healthcare cooperatives with buying, maintenance, utilization and resource direction can be controlled by one entity to maximize facility output and reduce costs by bulk purchasing of goods, services and insurance. Let self maintaining companies like Target that provide in house medical care to also join these cooperative to maximize their facilities. Start with one state NY, as the test case, since it has the highest per capita cost for treatment of any large state with a mix or rural, suburban and big city populations.

Posted by: jameschirico | July 23, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious you're a WHITE WING KOOK.

Posted by: Tomcat3 | July 23, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

There is a recent history of steroid abuse by police in the Boston area.
Test him.

Posted by: Tomcat3 | July 23, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I seldom agree with Mr. Kristol. However, he's right about Obama's remarks about his friend Professor Gates. Let’s take a step back and look at the fundamentals of this non-story, rather than the spin.

Doing so, we’ll recall that Professor Gates was trying to force entry into his home by breaking open the door with another man. It is hardly a surprise that his neighbors called the police — I’d hope my neighbors would do the same if two men (black, white, brown, yellow, green or pink, as they may be) were trying to force my front door open at night.

Then when the police come, Professor Gates refuses to identify himself or offer proof. The man has just broken into a house. Of course it’s reasonable to think he should prove it’s his home, or have we gone so far down the path of political correctness that it’s OK to ask that of a white homeowner, but not a black one?

I don’t see how “racial profiling” can even physically fit the description here — racial profiling means stopping only black people for, e.g., driving on the highway. But police don’t go around selectively apprehending on the basis of race people trying to break into homes and refusing to identify themselves, arresting black homeowners who resist showing identification but not white ones. What a joke — and what a propaganda coup for Professor Gates. Good on him, I suppose!

Posted by: itchy1 | July 23, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Kristol, you are a racist hypocrite. Apologize NOW!

It is well know and documented that cops arrest blacks trying to get into their own homes while help break down doors for white wife-beater trying to go in to kill their wives.

Who the hell gave you a job? And who gives a &^%$ about whether you taught at Harvard. You are just another self-marketing idiot.

Posted by: papito2you | July 23, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Why does Fred Hiatt and the WaPost continue to give forum to this dinosaur neocon hack who has never once been right about ANYthing?

To HELL with the Washington Post.

Posted by: davequ | July 23, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Kristol's Mikey Mouse argument aside, the bottom line is that this would not have happened, the entire chain of events, if he had been white.

Posted by: papito2you | July 23, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I am very disappointed DC. Regardless of political leanings, the posts I just read here were some of the dumbest, unenlightened, senseless pieces of garbage I have ever seen posted.

Posted by: bigbored | July 23, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

"the doctor may look at the reimbursement system and say to himself, "You know what? I make a lot more money if I take this kid's tonsils out.""

This quote is quite instructive; more so Mssr Obama than doctors in general. He uses his own frame of reference to arrive at that conclusion, not your average doctor.

Think about it.... When is the last time a politician took the option that feathered their nest less?????

Posted by: Spitfires | July 23, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Kudos to WaPo for prominently displaying this blog which clearly does not mesh with its views. I applaud William Kristol for standing behind those who serve society.

Posted by: ThoughtfulReader | July 23, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

The problem with cops is that they not uneducated, illiterate, dumb rednecks, uncapable of reasoning. Show me an intelligent cop and I'll show you a liar.

Posted by: analyst72 | July 23, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

papito2you - You honestly think that arrogant cops never harass white people? I am mixed race and don't look black, but I have been unjustly harassed by cops. I have watched cops harass and abuse white people.

papito2you - get out more, or stop watching CNN.

Posted by: bigbored | July 23, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

For the first time in my life, I actually agree with Bill Kristol-- on both major points he makes.

Posted by: pgf1948 | July 23, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Kristol's Mikey Mouse argument aside, the bottom line is that this would not have happened, the entire chain of events, if he had been white.
Posted by: papito2you
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There you are correct because a white guy would have shown the cop his ID when he asked for it. A White would have explained what happen and why there was confusion with regard to the breakin. A White guy would have thanked the policeman for checking to make sure his house was not broken into therefore the White guy would not have been arrested..

Posted by: sovine08 | July 23, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Obama did have grounds to criticize doctors. He's been reading the articles about high reimbursement rates vs. low reimbursement rates, and the facts point to more medical tests performed in the areas where there are high reimbursement rates.

Posted by: brainfart007 | July 23, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol,
You are one of the reasons The Washington Post will survive.

Posted by: TheObserverWithout | July 23, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

First of all, Gates has no obligation to 'show his ID' in his OWN HOME, whether or NOT the cop knows it IS his home.
Posted by: laslo23
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So your saying if a guy breaks in a house to rob it and the cops show up all he has to do is say he lives there.. show no proof, tell the cops to get lost, continue to ransack the place and leave when he wants.. sounds good to CRIMINALS!!!

The cop should have obeyed the law and acted 'politely' and LEFT after Gates identified himself as the homeowner.
Posted by: laslo23
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The cop was polite, it was Gates who was insulting and acting like a jerk. The cop was leaving after he saw Gates ID but Gates instead of staying in his house followed him OUTSIDE to continue to berate him. The police officer warned him multiple times to calm down (all in front of witnesses) and only because Gates refused was he arrested OUTSIDE HIS HOUSE... The cop was right.. Gates can sue but he would lose...

Posted by: sovine08 | July 23, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Let's bring the repub's back Mr. Kristol. Then we can be in permanent states of war and depression at the same time. As one poster mentioned you seem more interested in guns, death and destruction then assuring Americans of adequate health care. I don't think I like you very much.

Posted by: blund | July 23, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Regarding "'"if I were president of the United States, I might pause before casually accusing other Americans of acting stupidly unless I were confident I knew what I was talking about.'

The president is a constitutional law scholar. Think about it.

Posted by: Digger2"

Okay, Digger 2, I've thought about it. Here's what I think:

1. The President is by no means a constitutional law scholar, as scholars and academics use the term, "scholar."

2. The status of being a Constitutional Law Scholar would not, in any event, justify or have any bearing on making the stupid comment (ambiguity/double entendre intended), one that makes a judgment and an accusation in the context of an admitted lack of factual knowledge.

3. It is now clear that the President either did not know or did not acknowledge where the Gates arrest took place, why Gates was at that location and the behavior that led to his arrest.

This is, although of a different type, another tip-off that the President elevates rhetorical charm and appeal above facts.

Julian Tepper
Placitas, NM

Posted by: jutepper1 | July 23, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

If the police do not have the right to enter a residence after a neighbor has reported it being broken into and after discovering the broken door and a person inside, do not have the right to ask for id from that person, then burglars should take note - you have a free ride as long as you can stay in the house. This makes as much sense as many of the comments I have read.

Posted by: maryrowell1 | July 23, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Kristol, this pathetically smug Repulican apologist, lacks the grace to listen dispassionately to Obama and the common sense to know that Obama's "red pill, blue pill" remark was a simple, elementary symbolic expression for different available treatments.
We were all there, Kristol! Remember? We have televisions. We all heard and saw Obama. So your misrepresentations fall flatter than the prospects for your right wing to fly again with the American people.
You and your adherents will crash and burn next year and in 2012.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | July 23, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse


You see,

Kristol phoned it in.

The deal was he is to prove his great readership...so he writes some diddly

little screed...and the program posters
write ten or so each...

and presto. He calls hisself "widely read..." I mean, look at the response.

Is anyone else laughing? Krauthammer, same thing, same thing.

This newspaper is sick.

Posted by: whistling | July 23, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Are you demon-crats serious? This presidential clown hasn't got a clue about what his own party is putting in a major bill! He should be impeached just for that. The members of congress who passed the stimulus bill without reading it first should also be sacked.

All you obama kool aiders do is bring up Bush....how long will you try to ride that dead horse?

It started with dehumanizing Bush and Republicans and continues via liberal radio, tv and liberal democrats.

The left of Obama and Soros including bloggers; carol1 or any of the "dogs"..maddogg, crazydog or angrydog, don't worry about opposition ideas...they simply attack individuals with ridicule, socialist dogma and derision. It does not matter which side is right...they only want to destroy what stands in the way.

Each time one of these knee jerk liberals spouts off on the wapo or other blogs by carefully crafting insults to politicians or other bloggers they bolster the Alinsky method. They also lose sight of the real purpose of this evil philosophy which is to end free enterprise and replace it with a socialist paradise...you know, like the soviet union or china.

The rapid free fall of our free enterprise system will awake the people in a short time, The tired ideas of Carter, Kennedy, Clinton and Obama will fail. These ideas have always failed. We do not want socialism. We do not want communism.

So rack your little liberal brains for all the best insults you can think of and go for it while you have traction. That will not last long as we head to Carter-like unemployment and huge tax increases. The only thing missing are hostages....no, I take that back, you do have hostages.....The American People!

Posted by: prhornbeak | July 23, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm curious. When the NY Times finally got rid of Kristol for his vacuous and thought-free columns, why did the Washington Post editors conclude that those were exactly the qualities needed to increase its readership? Please, Post, remain an intelligent news service. Those of us who enjoy reading the columns of intelligent conservatives will stick with George Will. Kristol's baby-boy thinking and puerile maunderings aren't needed here.

Posted by: wooddogs3 | July 23, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

You beltway media elitists don't seem to understand that most of America agrees with President Obama on this.

We all know someone in our vast multi-ethnic American families - or a neighbor or college friend - who has had something like the Cambridge Cop incident AT HIS OWN HOME happen to them - whether they're Hispanic or African-American or Asian.

But you in your gated communities don't think it happens.

It's like George Will with his head in the sand about Global Warming while they're SAILING YACHTS over the Northwest Passage because the polar ice is melted for two months each summer now.

You just don't get it.

And we know you don't.

Posted by: WillSeattle | July 23, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Kristol uses the usual tactic of trying to provoke outrage at the treatment of some party to the issue.

Health care coverage is an issue that Republicans only address when forced by the Democrats. They have zero credibility on the issue.

I applaud President Obanma for his efforts on behalf of non-wealthy Americans. It's time to restore fairness in the economy.

Posted by: Snedly1 | July 22, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

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Fairness in the economy? What in the "H" does that mean? So are you saying that Dems favor a more socialist/communist styled economy? One where we all receive the same wages for the work we do, and the government provides us all of our basic needs.

I cant wait until Obama and Pelosi unleash their Universal Housing Bill, or a Universal Clothing and Food Bill, which no doubt will result in yet another surtax on the wealthy. Seriously, lets think about it. If the Dems feel that healthcare is a basic right, why not housing, or clothing and food.

Posted by: sanmateo1850 | July 23, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Raising the bar POTUS will require that he first be vetted.
In Obamaland the Constitution apparenly sees color.
The US Constitution does not, so those sworn to uphold it cannot.
That is the difference between a Country that will illegally allow a public official to hide their intel and the USA Constitutional Republic.

Posted by: dottydo | July 23, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

WillSeattle,
Americans do not like fraud Obama, his trillions in spending , his dictatorship breaking the American people's lives, tent city life, RV living,and other unappealing lifestyles created through loansharking owned politicians taking their homes and jobs.

Americans would like POTUS Biden placed, to insure we have a Constitutional Republic for the Military to serve, thank you very much.

Obama breeched the US Constitutional standard with his remark...but it is not the only time he has, only because he is running Obamaland.
People enmasse do not want to live there.

Media is at fault for not vetting Obama, and for not finding out his secrets.

Posted by: dottydo | July 23, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

1) Don't tell me that shinnanigans don't happen, because it does. So Mr. Kristol don't leak on my boot and tell me it's raining.

2) Look at the major argument against Government health insurance . . . . . If government can offer health insurance, it will drive private health insurance out of business. . . . . Oh gee, I wonder why. No private stockholders to pay, no expensive CEO's and their expensive boards to pay, and believe it or not a lot less paperwork to process -- $$$$. I don't find a problem with that.

Posted by: Here2day | July 23, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

As a surgeon, I can tell you absolutely there are some surgeons out there who make conscious decisions to do extra surgery to increase reimbursement. Maybe not schedule surgery in the first place, but to do a little extra while you're there. I'm not sure if it's very rare or a significant minority, but it does happen.

Much more common is an unconscious attitude that reimbursement affects while residents are being trained. Compare salaried surgeons (HMO, VA, military, ...) vs. fee-for-service (private practice) trained ones and I suspect you would see a trend towards quicker trips to the O.R. with the latter's practice patterns. The surgeons themselves wouldn't know it's an influence -- it's just how their mentors trained them...

Posted by: mcriswell | July 23, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Mr. President, we have a problem

On this week's 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 moon landing, President Obama praised the pioneering American astronauts and recalled his own childhood memories in Hawaii of NASA capsules splashing down in the Pacific.

But Houston, we have a problem. The president actually lived in Indonesia in 1969.

Despite several statements made by the president about his childhood years in Jakarta, Obama's own White House biography begins with his alleged birth in Hawaii Aug. 4, 1961, and makes no mention of Indonesia.

Posted by: FraudObama | July 23, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Yikes. I just scrolled down through the comments, and I sure can't feel the love. If one were inclined -I am not so inclined- to think in terms of "hate speech," vicious personal attacks on Mr. Kristol by posters here would be a place to find examples. Such nasty, malicious, mean-spirited personal attacks! Where is the love? Where is the tolerance? Where is the diversity?

Perhaps it is necessary to shoot the messenger because nobody can think of a really convincing way to make what Mr. Obama said about the Gates affair come out just right? One has to sympathize with the task of self-appointed apologists for Mr. Obama. Even Mr. Obama prefaced his judgment that the Cambridge police acted stupidly by noting, correctly that he did not have all the facts and that he might be biased. It's a tough job to make sense of that sort of thing. Those who feel they must nevertheless try to do so are to be excused if they sometimes grow irritable and testy. But merely to leave messages attacking the character, values, decency, intelligence, ethics &etc. of someone who happens to entertain different political viewpoints, and to leave it at that: that is ignorance and savagery, regardless of the issues in dispute. That such abuse seems to be perpetrated by the friends of humanity, apostles of peace, advocates of tolerance and diversity, the best and brightest, the progressive, socially enlightened, superior liberal Ubermenschen who are against hate. . . well! Here is a paradox indeed.

Posted by: Teleologicus | July 23, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

i wonder why certain ppl think they can say anything when they have no mouth to speak!!! go back to molesting school, waiting in airport bathrooms, and stealing money. and marryin' anyone pieces of craps. get a life JAH rules

Posted by: kd6300 | July 23, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Libs hate the truth...thanks for telling it, Bill...you're the best! Libs will continue to attack you because this President isn't presidential and it's embarrassing to them....Bush would have never attacked caring doctors and Law enforcement officials....only Obama likes this "change." Ha ha on the libs..you guys are a riot defending him! OTO for sure...One Term Obama

Posted by: powerange | July 23, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

WHAT WE CAN LEARN ABOUT OBAMA FROM GATES

What most are overlooking is the extreme depravity of Obama's worldview expressed
by this incident:

1. Utter lack of concern or even interest in the facts.

Ponder that since Obama is ultimately responsible for our National Security against Terrorists.

Obama is intellectually lazy.

2. Obama replaces intellectual analysis (was there racism??) with a bitter predetermined worldview--not IF their is racism here, just how much

3. Obama does not even care that he is attacking a real live human being with a family--he simply mocks them as "stupid"

4. Obama has NO respect for the dignity of the office of President--Bill Crosby expressed this well today better than I

5. Obama is now reaching the point of arrogance to the degree that he will NOT hide his radical anti Biblical worldview.

This is much more of a problem that Americans now realize.

We have had a brief glimpse of the bitter, angry, toxic and vindictive Obama, a preview of coming attractions.

Posted by: JaxMax | July 23, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Bill Kristol accuses simplicity and slander through the use of the same techniques. When will this stop? Expedient political points carry much more weight when they are nuanced and logical. When you were a Harvard professor Bill, were you ever arrested outside your front door? Would a neighbor have called the cops if they saw you clambering over a fence? Would the police still have arrested you after discovering it was your own house you were occupying? Supporting the police and the military is essential, encouraging excessive force and belligerent decisions is mutinous.

Posted by: makikkik | July 23, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

A village in Kenya is missing its idiot.

Posted by: get_it_right | July 23, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I can't think of any recent president, including Bush, (and I'm a democrat) who would be stupid enough to comment on a police investigation before all the facts are in and the investigation completed.

The guy is a major disappointment.

Posted by: buzzsaw1 | July 23, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

At least Oboobma didn't accuse the doc or the cop of being "bitter".

I genuinely feel sorry for the moonbats who thought gaseous clown was going to be their messiah.

Posted by: zjr78xva | July 23, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

“If there's a blue pill and a red pill, and the blue pill is half the price of the red pill and works just as well, why not pay half price for the thing that's going to make you well?” Now, there’s good idea. Why hasn’t anyone else thought of that?

Could we now please stop having to say in every other sentence how brilliant President Obama is? The left adores him because he is a socialist. (Yes, I said it, would you call him a champion of free-markets?) I suppose that some won't admit it until we have proof-positive: NO CASH and NO CREDIT.

Posted by: thestalkinghorse1 | July 23, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

The only persons that are capable of making news like this by Bill Kristol are Sara Palin and Rush (drug lord). When asked by a reporter, Obama was clear and objective in his response. What is important to report, which isn't being reported, how important it is to reform health care coverage in this country. All these GOP'ers want to distort and distract this conversation away from the things that matter most, but then again, they're hoping for another 9/11 so they can feel good about voting for King George II

Posted by: tonyreeves | July 23, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Gee, last I knew, Obama and his buddies Nancy Pelosi and Al Franken are in the majority - controlling both houses of Congress and the Presidency. So, I absolutely love how the lefties who tend to post on this website continue to blame Republicans for all the ills of the nation. If Obama's healthcare plan doesn't pass, he has only himself and his own party to blame. I knew it would only be a matter of time until the Dems imploded, yet it is hilarious how the Post continues to portray the GOP as the party in disarray!

Posted by: eedchic | July 23, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

The only persons that are capable of making news like this by Bill Kristol are Sara Palin and Rush (drug lord). When asked by a reporter, Obama was clear and objective in his response. What is important to report, which isn't being reported, how important it is to reform health care coverage in this country. All these GOP'ers want to distort and distract this conversation away from the things that matter most, but then again, they're hoping for another 9/11 so they can feel good about voting for King George II

Posted by: tonyreeves | July 23, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting that this is called health care reform. There's absolutely nothing wrong with health care in this country. It should be called "getting someone else to pay for your health care reform". We're presented with all of these horrible scenarios and told that $1,000,000,000,000 (actually it's $1,600,000,000,000 because the $1,000,000,000,000 number was arrived at by factoring in $600,000,000,000 in increased taxes) more in government expenditures is going to keep the country from going bankrupt. How stupid can you people be? Where is that extra $1,000,000,000,000 going to come from? Oh, that's right taxes. Who's going to be taxed? Everybody!!! All so we can say we have this Utopian health insurance system where "everyone" is allegedly covered.

By the way for the person who claimed BO was a constitutional scholar, you're not really correct. He taught con law at a law school. He has not authored any papers, law review articles or books that would point to any form of scholarship.

Posted by: tomski12 | July 23, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama didn't seem to know much about Obamacare. About the only thing I did get from the conference was that Obama has absolutely no intention of covering himself or his family with Obamacare! As for his calling the police stupid even though he admitted he had no idea what actually happened. Well our military, intelligence services, and police forces across the country should sit up and take note. Obama has contempt for you and will always take sides against you when he thinks he can get away with it! You can't say you weren't warned!

Posted by: valwayne | July 23, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

A good doctor once confided that there is a lot of pressure from drug salesmen to prescribe the red pill, even though it costs twice as much.

Posted by: crossroadsteam | July 23, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Since Mr Obama doesn't need all the facts, why doesn't he just pardon all of his black brothers whom the white race has "illegally" and "stupidily" imprisoned.

I will never vote for a black man again, that is for sure. Deep down in the black man's wallet is always the "race card."

Get real. Now we know that all the education in the world doesn't get you out of the ghetto.

But now I'm convinced - - I will never vote for a black man ever again. The wool is no longer over my eyes.

Posted by: RL_Cudd | July 23, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

William Krystol urged the US into an invasion of Iraq based on false pretenses that resulted in the deaths of nearly a million Iraqi civilians and 4,000 US service members.

He should be rotting in a federal prison, not writing pseudopopulist bs editorials on behalf of the insurance companies.

And his casual brushing aside of the rampant waste institutionalized into our medical system is just as dishonest as the lies he touted during our runup to the war. He has no credibility.

Posted by: B2O2 | July 23, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Yes, doctors are humans and they are greedy too. My dentist made a simple filling into a root canal to make money. Yes, some cops are stupid and make unnecessary arrests.

Posted by: work2play | July 23, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

It is not "Obamacare"!!! It is Healthcare. And oh the claws are out. Reform is needed but, one better believe the Insurance Industry and Special Organizations along with Lobbyist just love the idea of President Obama failing not realizing it is not he that is going to be hurt but, those needing a plan that cuts cost and makes sure everyone is covered reasonably.

The media helps in swaying the public with its speculations and manipulations. It is truly sad that attempts to change and make improvements is covered by the dislike for Obama by those who would do anything to stop progress by this administration.

What foolishness!! I pray for the people needing the services and medical care now and in the future. I pray they receive the blessings of health and the angels of God watch over them and keep them and heal them and the land.

Posted by: Scar1 | July 23, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Analize this. When health services are so high that hospitals, clinics and other facilities have to close the doors then, wait and argue about reform. Somehow this is going to be something the people will be regretting and not President Obama. It is truly sad and again I pray for this Nation that those persons in need be protected and the angels in heaven watch over them. President Obama you tried-don't worry; they will understand one day.

Posted by: Scar1 | July 23, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday I had a dental checkup and even though I told him I didn't grind my teeth at night and hadn't since I was a teen, he showed me a video and tried to push on me a customized night-time "mouth guard". Custom made by him of course, at a price tag of $300.

No, health care deliverers never try to push stuff on people.

Posted by: B2O2 | July 23, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

President Obama: The Lord bless you and keep you. It is not our battle but, the Lord's. Oh will they understand-the storm is coming and the creek will raise. Katrina was not enough. So, thy will be done.

Posted by: Scar1 | July 23, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

President Obama: The Lord bless you and keep you. It is not our battle but, the Lord's. Oh will they understand-the storm is coming and the creek will raise. Katrina was not enough. So, thy will be done.

Posted by: Scar1 | July 23, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

President Obama: The Lord bless you and keep you. It is not our battle but, the Lord's. Oh will they understand-the storm is coming and the creek will raise. Katrina was not enough. So, thy will be done.

Posted by: Scar1 | July 23, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

The officer even though he had trained others was upset by the mistake. He was upset that he could not make that kind of error-not in front of this distinquished Black man and his fellow officers. So, I agree he was not only stupid but foolish. Once he had ID and checked the address he could have been the bigger person and apologized and left it alone, made an incident report and moved on.

He was too busy trying to be the man. And many White officers do this. "Pride comes before the fall".

On the other hand the officer perhaps did not know the Professor. The situation had to be investigated-yes. However, once the officer saw clearly that the man lived at that address and had most likely locked himself out-he could have just made a joke and had a laugh and just done a report. Arrest was over the top in this case.

Posted by: Scar1 | July 23, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama's comments fit well with his ideological maxims and reflect his narcissitic and arrogant mentality. By attacking "real people" who actually make a difference in society, Obama has joined the legions of his heroes - people like Stalin, Pol Pot, and almost every other dictator who launched similar "purges". I can only hope that Americans are finally waking up and realizing what a dangerous mistake it was electing an angry and empty minded communist organizer. 2012 can't come soon enough.

Posted by: freepost | July 23, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Stonefly | July 22, 2009 11:16 PM
“..For a president to take sides in a local matter without having all the facts is naive at best and possibly revealing the president's personal bias. I was very disappointed in our president on this one.”

Don’t kid yourself. POTUS Obama was fully briefed on the issue. The policeman involved over reacted and should find alternate employment.

tenshi1 | July 23, 2009 1:27 PM
“Prof Gates refused to show ID when he was asked by the police. Apparently he feels that if you are African-American, you don't have to follow the rules. Perhaps this is the problem with race in America.”


I believe you have the story backwards. Prof Gates showed the policeman his I.D. proving he lived in the house, the policeman refused to give Gates his badge number when Gates asked for it then arrested Gates when Gates kept insisting the policeman give him (Gates) his I.D. number.

Posted by: knjincvc | July 23, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

In some instances, Obama may make a comment or two that he regrets. Perhaps this is the case with the Gates-Cambridge Police matter. But, I actually don't mind it that much, because it least it feels like he is trying to give an honest answer to the question. I would rather someone try to answer questions sincerely, and sometimes make mistakes, than to be so dictated by political considerations that they end up saying practically nothing.

Posted by: manderson7 | July 23, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

I commend Mr. Krystol for pointing out that our current President speaks before he thinks and now is pushing Congress to hurry up and pass an ill conceived plan to "reform' the healthcare system. Do you Obama defenders wonder why it's so important to pass it quickly without fully thinking through what we are doing? Perhaps because he knows that even you foolish wanks will eventually figure out how bad this will be an back away.

Why are you all so anxious to defend a plan that you don't even understand and a President that would have us act before we consider the consequences?

Congrats Mr. Krystol you clearly hit a nerve.

Posted by: menk | July 24, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Why can't they give us the medical plan Congress has?

Posted by: PeteyKay | July 24, 2009 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Hispana wrote: And how are you so certain that the time is right for this idea? Is this why Obama seems so desperate to jam this proposal through out throats? Remember that one of the traits that distinguish us as americans is that we are pragmatists. And reason will prevail.
^^^^^^

They've been working on this issue for a century. If LBJ had gotten it through with Medicare we wouldn't be in the fix that we are in now. If it gets rejected the next time it will be five times more expensive and ten times more complicated. Maybe you'll die from poor health care before then.

Posted by: redrider26p | July 24, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

What is it with the Post? They publish George Will's demonstrably inaccurate diatribes re: climate change, and then they go and hire Bill Kristol, a guy who is wrong so often about domestic and international affairs that a betting man would be wise in taking the opposite position. Has the Post's opinion page become so like the WSJ's that they'll simply publish anyone, regardless of merit, because they adhere to the GOP/neocon line? (notwithstanding Dionne, the token, and Cohen, the patsy)

Seriously, it's amazing how far this paper has sunk. What was once a justifiably revered institution is now little more than a hackery. At least it's in freefall. Good riddance.

Posted by: lorca | July 24, 2009 1:05 AM | Report abuse

csintala79 wrote:
Yes, the report does state Gates was ranting and challenging the officer. What is revealing, however, is that initially this behavior by Gates occurred while he was inside his residence. The officer did not arrest him at this time. However, the officer stated that he told Gates in response to several requests by Gates for the officer's name and badge number that he would have to come out of his home and talk to him outside to get that information, even though the officer said he had supplied that information a couple of times. When Gates left his house, continuing with the same rant, the officer arrested him.... It appears, under the guise of working out the issue with Gates, that he lured him outside in offer to be able to charge him with disorderly conduct.
^^^^^^^^

I suppose that the good news is that Gates didn't get the crap beat out of him or shot or tasered for "attacking a police officer or resisting arrest" when he went outside to confront the cop.

I was thinking about John McCain, who owns seven or ten houses around the country. Since you can only have one legal driver's license if a black guy was visiting one of his multiple houses and found himself in Gates' situation he could very easily get arrested, if not killed, for entering his own house in another city. The cops come, the guy shows his ID but it's for another location, and the cops immediately bust him for being a burglar in his own house. And heaven help the sap if the cops show up when he's removing something from the house.

Posted by: redrider26p | July 24, 2009 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Kansas28 wrote:
Way to go Obama. You just lost the support of two special groups: doctors and police officers.
^^^^^^^

The cop didn't vote for him anyway so it's not like he was going to support Obama in the future.

Posted by: redrider26p | July 24, 2009 1:21 AM | Report abuse

dbw1 wrote: Did you read the account that two cops who showed up shortly after the white cop agreed with how he handled the situation? Neither of the cops were white; one was black and one was Hispanic.

You sound pretty prejudiced so I'm not sure facts will sway your bias, but just thought I would throw that out there in case it might.
^^^^^^^

It really doesn't matter what race cops are. They are a legal gang paid by the city to keep people in line. They are professional goons. If you think a black or Hispanic cop is going to stop a white cop from beating the crap out of a suspect or getting between them to stop an arrest you're sorely mistaken. Gates was lucky he didn't get killed.

Posted by: redrider26p | July 24, 2009 1:34 AM | Report abuse

lilibrooks wrote:
Obama knows how to talk to people to make believe that he really cares about our health care needs by not giving a detailed information about his health care proposal. He wants the senators to vote on the bill before the people gets all the information about it.
^^^^^^^

If you didn't spend all of your time whining you could read the bill yourself. It's not a secret.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.+3200:

Posted by: redrider26p | July 24, 2009 1:40 AM | Report abuse

Just remember, liberals are tolerant...

Posted by: ThoughtfulReader | July 24, 2009 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, Bill Kristol, for finally FINALLY being the one to note Obama's personal contribution to and benefit from (to the tune of $300,000 per year) high health care costs.

We desperately need observations like this. Please keep it up.

Posted by: expatriot | July 24, 2009 4:18 AM | Report abuse

" or at least arrogantly.."

Of course he did. And the Police Officer felt confident in arresting him for doing that.

But now is our time to decide how much expression we should be allowed in our homes. Don't make this a "he said / he said" but an opportunity to restore our rights.

I have no doubt that police can jail us for getting out of line when they interact with us. But how far can we go in our homes?

We should decide that and train police officers accordingly.

Problem solved.


Posted by: GaryEMasters | July 24, 2009 5:55 AM | Report abuse

While I agree that Gates likely acted like a donkey when confronted by the cops, the reality is that when he FINALLY presented identification to show it WAS his residence, then it should've been a done deal. However, I do acknowledge that Gates should NOT have acted like an a$$ when confronted. (1) He and his neighbors should get to know each other then you don't have a neighbor calling the police on you when you get locked out of your house; (2) If someone sees me attempting to break in my house (and doesn't recognize me), BY ALL MEANS, call the cops!

A lot of poor judgment was used in this matter. Too many hot heads and reactions because of hot heads.

The President cut straight to the point with his answer: it was stupid to arrest someone for breaking in their house when they've proven it's their house.

Posted by: washkrdj | July 24, 2009 6:45 AM | Report abuse

It is pitiful to see the President of The United States playing the RACE CARD at some cop's expence& without knowing all the facts.
A sixty year old man is not decrepit the way some are portraying him.
How does a man,with so little self control,
act in a classroom?What if some one asks him a question that he doesn't like?
Does he go into a frenzy?His arrogance was apparent.
Obama owes all policemen an apology.

Posted by: blakely1 | July 24, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Kristol is dead on on both issues. Obama made the same mistake that he made with the stimulus... leaving it to congress to write. Now he looks like an idiot because he has NO IDEA what is in the house bill. This was evident in his press conference on Tuesday night, and has been evident in his comments over the last week ("I am not familiar with provision 102.").

The Fraternal Order of Police has taken a stand against the President. This should say something since he is a union lackey. The fact is that he is making unwarranted comments based on incomplete information. This should concern ALL of us.

Maybe he could get his facts straight if he weren't too busy congratulating pro baseball players on a job well done.

Posted by: chrismoore2006 | July 24, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Hey 0310, in order to qualify as illegal, follow me on this, an action has to actually break a law. Both the U.S. Congress and the U.N. gave Pres.Bush the authority to invade Iraq, not to mention that they repeatedly broke the cease-fire from the '91 war by firing at our planes over the no-fly zone. Additionally, everyone in America has health care now and a system run by a gov't bureaucracy won't improve on that. By Federal law, anyone who shows up in an emergency room must be provided treatment, regardless of their race, creed, color, gender, religion or citizenship.

Posted by: simplyhealth | July 24, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Hey Digg, I thought about it. President Obamasiah voted against confirming Justices Roberts and Alito to the Supreme Court, both of whom are also Constitutional Scholars. It would seem that you have greater reverance for Constitutional Scholars than does Barry Obama.

Posted by: simplyhealth | July 24, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Hey yo 4toni, can you please define 'neocon'? Why do you use code words to slur Jewish people? Why not just proudly shout "I hate ky*es" ?

Posted by: simplyhealth | July 24, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

kristol & krauthammer are poisoning the well. they bring nothing to the table but bile. wapo aught to be ashamed of themslves for publishing this tripe, i forgot, wapo has no shame since they thought it a good idea to charge admission for access to THEIR newspaper staff.

Posted by: dconaty1 | July 24, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Obama is already a failure after 6 months, he has no shame. He is a communist.

He forgets that 49% of the people in the country DID NOT vote for him.

He is already has a more failed president than Jimmy Carter IMHO..

Posted by: lbrewer104 | July 24, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

When "Hell freezes over" should President Obama apologize on this issue. And Bill Cosby respects to you but, sir this is not a time for moderation. This is a time when all Black men should stand!! And I mean stand. Of course the second office is going to defend his fellow officer-the code thing. And we are backing Professor Gates. This officer may be a fantastic guy but, he lost it-controlling the situation. If he had simply said, Sir, we have your ID and we are going to run a lookup and then, checked address and referenced that this indeed was his home then say, Sir we had to investigate and we apologize for any inconvenience and make light of him being the brillant professor stupidly getting locked out and move on it would have been settled. But, when this intelligent Black man asked him for his ID and badge number-oh you do not go there. I am super cop and you insulted me. Big deal.

This happens all the time. Officers regularly do not want to give badge numbers or be wrote up in an incident report. And they constantly patrol the Black neighborhoods and assume everyone in the hood is a criminal. And even in upscale neighborhoods one cannot be there and possibly make an error in judgement like forget their keys.

So, Professor from now on make a copy and keep it somewhere or have someone you can call to let you in with a copy of the key. Hopefully not your neighbor who called 911. And, this is a case of too much manhood on both sides. They both thought "with their bottom half and not with their brains." And as far as the Police Union-bull! That Probable cause thing again and again-yeah I said it. And yes Stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Scar1 | July 24, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

THANK YOU Senator Orrin Hatch for your courage to NOT vote for the confirmation of Sonya Sotomayor. This whole polarizing race issue where the PRESIDENT OF THE US has weighed in on an issue that's very emotionally charged AND projecting his own life experiences has opened a pandora's box. I WAS an Obama supporter but now I'm beginning to doubt BO's patriotism - the same nagging issues that came up during the campaign...
1. How many times has BO held a news conference and during those times, how many times did he mention nor send condolences to the men and women in armed forces serving and losing their lives for the liberties we enjoy in this country?
2. I think we need to re-reflect on the whole Reverend Wright issue (why BO stayed with that church for so long) and why did he not initially want to wear the flag pin?
3. Why hasn't he chosen a church to attend in DC nor any other place of worship?
4. we need to re-examine MO's statement when she said that it's the FIRST time she's been proud as an American when he was elected...

Similarly, I am now absolutely convinced that Sonya Sotomayor, who lived in the NYC projects & I am sure had to fight for what she wanted to accomplish, is in no way could remain objective nor impartial in race related issues that may come up in the Supremem Court. Whether you, the committe member, is a Republican, Democrat,Indep. or black,white,hispanic or other, male,female or other, PLEASE use your conscience as an AMERICAN FIRST to vote appropriately rather than to succomb to the Hispanic vote pandering and threats by such groups!
Su from Fort Lee, NJ
An American!

Posted by: american17 | July 24, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The whole situation is damn stupid. And I agree these two persons should do Community Service with each other-yes! I said that too. COMMUNITY SERVICE FOR BOTH.
THAT WILL TEACH THEM A LESSON AND OTHERS.
JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK YOURSELVE SOMEBODY ONE CANNOT INFRINGE ON EACH OTHER. BOTH GOT ANGER MANAGEMENT ALSO. AND THAT IS THAT.

Posted by: Scar1 | July 24, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

AND, PRESIDENT OBAMA SHOULD SLAM THE WASHINGTON POST FOR SUGGESTING HE ATTACKS DOCTORS AND POLICE OFFICERS. IF HE HAS THE OPINION THEY ACT OR ACTED STUPIDLY THEN THAT IS HIS OPINION.

AND NO PRESIDENT OBAMA DO NOT APOLOGIZE FOR NOTHING!! PROFILING IS AN ISSUE AND THESE TWO MEN DEMONSTRATED STUPIDITY TO THE "T AND I".

Posted by: Scar1 | July 24, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Recently my doctor of 16 years orders some test be done on prior to me going to a specialist. I did not have the test done because the specialist told me they were "unnecessary". Had I had the test done, it would have cost me $2650 in ductible and out of pocket percentage. My specialist was right and diagnosed me with a simple blood test.

Posted by: ccclam | July 24, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Why do we keep listening to this clueless, warmongering, fear-inducing hypocrite? He just says moronic things and is given a platform? It's like him, Cheney, and all the other Neocons have been proven wrong, time and time again and yet they still are booked on TV and get to give us their opinions in op-eds...enough! Get this clown away from a place that used to be reserved for intellectualy-gifted people...go home Kristol, you're a fraud!

Posted by: Roto | July 24, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Who edits Kristol's rants? Anyone?

Even Sarah Palin and Dan Quayle, those two winners foisted upon America by this charlatan, can write better.

Posted by: jaysit | July 24, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"What I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately," Obama said. "That's just a fact."

Prejudicial bias in it's purest form.
Who is the racist here?

2010 cannot come fast enough. Thank God for mid-term elections!

Posted by: GodsCountry | July 24, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

ALL of you who supported Obama in this issue are WRONG!!! Obama just threw Gates under the bus.

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Posted by: chrismoore2006 | July 24, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Anyone ever notice how much Bill Kristol looks like Ralphy on the Simpson. The similarity doesn't end there either.

Posted by: manv | July 24, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama is an AH for calling the cop stupid, smearing the police department, demeaning Boston and offending all people of good will. He is obsessed with killing the preborn, especially black babies.

Posted by: naughtonjj | July 24, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Without a shadow of a doubt --- no one considers Henry Gates, Jr to be a scholar --- he is a racist.

Gates should receive a 2 year prison sentence - with absolutely zero - zip and zilch chance of parole.

Sgt. James Crowley should immediately sue Baracky Hussein Obama and Deval Patrick for $100 million each - for defamation of character and mental anguish.

Posted by: hclark1 | July 24, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

A little math for the neocon writer. The deficet caused by Obama's health plan is less than 1/4 of 1% of GNP, the unneeded, unnecessary war in Iraq touted by him 1% of GNP. It's fine to disrupt a ntion that never attacked us weakening our military and economy but to provide healthcare to everyone like the rest of the west is taboo.

Posted by: jameschirico | July 24, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

"THANK YOU Senator Orrin Hatch for your courage to NOT vote for the confirmation of Sonya Sotomayor." Thanking him for a meaningless nay vote says alot about neocon support. You want to thank Hatch, thank him for not doing his constitutional duty in withholding over 150 Clinton appointees from even getting a vote letting Dubya pack the Federal Court with conservatives. That is deserving of neocon praise, not voting against a record qualifying her by any sane standard.

Posted by: jameschirico | July 24, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Billy. Why don't you ever shut that yapping mouth-anus of yours?

I don't even bother to read your garbage and lies to rebut them. Everyone knows you are a liar and an idiot. I just like to mock you.

Posted by: info23 | July 24, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I am a little worried that Mr Obama appears to exhibit poor understanding of how medical care is delivered. As a pediatrician myself, his "example" of the "fee schedule" influencing a pediatrician's "decision" to take out tonsils, because he "will make a lot more money" if he does is quite simply, wrong. Only ENT specialists take out tonsils, not pediatricians. ENT physicians never see sore throats; pediatricians do. I don't get one cent for referring a child to an ENT physician, and in fact, it takes me more time to make that referral, and that time is not reimbursed at all. There would be more of a financial disincentive to refer to an ENT for tonsillectomy in the current system. An attorney would bill for that extra time and be paid. If I think a child needs her tonsils out, I spend the extra time arranging it for free.
I hope this "example" of his is not reflective of his global comprehension of how things work on the ground floor of medical care delivery.

Posted by: mjMD | July 24, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

the arrest is racially motivated (covert) YOU WHITE FOLKS THINK YOU OWN USA - SO IF WE ARE NOT YOUR KIND, CAUCASIAN, WE DON'T MATTER EVEN THOUGH WE ARE MORE BRILLIANT THAN ANYONE OF YOU. PERIOD
HOPE THAT JAMES CROWLEY GET WHAT HE WOULD DESERVE IN IN HIS LINE OF DUTY - HOPE HE ENCOUNTER SOMEONE THAT WOULD REALLY PUT HIM IN PEACE - PEACE OFFICER

Posted by: prudencerussell | July 24, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

kRISTOL - KISS MY BEHIND...I AM SO SICK AND TIRED OF YOU

Posted by: prudencerussell | July 24, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Kristol = charlatan

Posted by: info23 | July 24, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

The idiot speaks!

Look, clown, you are dead wrong, yet again:

AMA supports Obama.

So do police unions -- the GOP lost them because you support the NRA and copkiller bullets and heavy concealed weapons.

Kristol is vermin. Go crawl back under the rock you came from, you charlatan.

Posted by: info23 | July 24, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

How can the name William Kristol appear under a banner than says Post Partisan?

Bill Kristol was a major force in killing healthcare reform in the early 90's and he is now trying to do the same

Although he will not succeed this time - the Washington Post got "sloppy seconds" when the NYT cancelled Kristol's op ed column a few months ago

William Kristol is a truly despicable individual
A pure elitist who has done nothing personally to ever help this great country he claims he loves

Never served in the military
Never served the interest of the many

He was Dan Quayle's Chief of Staff

I rest my case

Posted by: awb75 | July 24, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

For all you Obama supporting left-wing IDIOTS!!! Obama was WRONG!! He said it!!!

Kristol was right. Obama assumed the white cop was a racist.

Anyone who supported Obama in this issue is guilty of the same assumption. All you left-wingers assumed that the cop who has been instructing Cambridge cops how to AVOID racial profiling for the last five years was a racist. You are wrong.

Find another way to try and wreck this country! That's what you do.

Posted by: chrismoore2006 | July 25, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

One has to question his God-like intellect. He hasn't been beaming a bright aura of intelligence lately. This isn't so good for the USA.
Do something smart, Obama, like apologize to US cops like you have apologized to all the dictatorships and murderous leaders in the world.

Posted by: shipley130 | July 25, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

There was a time when the Washington Post was a great newspaper.

It is a shame that it has forsaken serious journalism for neocon propagandists like Kristol, Gerson and Krauthammer.

Does the Washington Post print this provocative drivel to generate clicks and blog traffic, or because it actually believes in it?

Posted by: PaulG2 | July 25, 2009 2:23 AM | Report abuse

Never served in the military
Never served the interest of the many

He was Dan Quayle's Chief of Staff
This is the elitist jerk who raved about the Iraqui war being a great thing, who raved about Bush and Cheney being the best VPOTUS & POTUS ever, now we are debating about bringing them to trial.
HOW CAN THE POST GIVE THIS IDIOT A FORUM TO CONTINUE TO DISTRIBUTE HIS VITRIOL, WHO DETERMINES HE IS WHAT THE POST WANTS TO BE IDENTIFIED WITH

Posted by: rosenfan1 | July 25, 2009 7:16 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol should stick with subjects he knows something about, not American healthcare. I am a practicing physician and I can correct a few of the most obvious errors in one breath. First, Pediatricians do not order (nor perform) tonsillectomies. ENT surgeons do. I also believe that some physicians do "lots of times" recommend surgery to patients despite the lack of evidence that the surgery has any evidence of benefit. My personal favorite is lumbar fusion surgery for back pain. For upward of $10,000 in surgeon fees (and roughly $30-50,000 to the hospital) you can achieve the same results as the patients who instead choose physical therapy or chiropractic care. Lastly, $300,000/year hospital vice-presidents probably are a part of the problem but they are there as a self-constructed corporate welfare system, not because they are needed to serve as government interfaces or negotiators. Our healthcare system is a mess and too many dollars (a full third) are going into the pockets of the middlemen such as hospital administrators, insurance company leaders (one well known CEO made 1.3 billion in 10 years) and the drug and medical-device manufacturers. But a lot of money does go into the pockets of MDs. Generous income is acceptable, but millions per year is extravagant by any measure. Physicians can be, and sometimes are motivated by greed as are all people.

Posted by: wilsonjmichael | July 25, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Could it be that Prof Gates understood from the outset what police are capable of and was livid because he worked so hard in his life not to a victim of Police actions like this one:
In 1997, 30-year-old Abner Louima was married, had one child, and had been living in Brooklyn, New York for the previous six years. Although he had trained as an electrical engineer in Haiti, Louima worked as a security guard in a water-and-sewage plant in Flatlands, Brooklyn.[1]
On August 9, 1997, Louima visited “Club Rendez-Vous”, a popular nightclub in East Flatbush. Late in the night, he and several other men interceded in a fight between two women. The police were called and several officers from the 70th Precinct were dispatched to the scene. There was a confrontation between the police, patrons and bystanders involved in the scuffle outside the club. The responding patrol officers included Justin Volpe, Charles Schwarz, Thomas Bruder, and Thomas Wiese, among others. In the ensuing scuffle, Officer Volpe was struck by a “sucker-punch” and identified Louima as his assailant. Volpe arrested Louima on charges of disorderly conduct, obstructing government administration, and resisting arrest.
The arresting officers beat Louima with their fists, nightsticks, and hand-held police radios on the ride to the station.[2] On arriving at the station house, he was strip-searched and put in a holding cell. The beating continued later, culminating with Louima being sexualy assaulted in a bathroom at the 70th Precinct station house in Brooklyn. Officer Justin Volpe kicked Louima in the testicles, then, while Louima’s hands were cuffed behind his back, he first grabbed onto and squeezed his testicles and then sodomized him with a plunger handle, causing severe internal damage to his colon and bladder that required several operations to repair. Volpe then walked through the precinct holding the bloody, excrement-stained instrument in his hand, indicating that he had “broke a man down.”
That wasn’t nothing nice you think these men can come get a beer at the whites house too?

Posted by: Thatwasntfunny | July 25, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Obama neither "attacked docs" nor did he "attack cops," but that's OK. Kristol is O-for-the-Millenium. Why tarnish a perfect record?

Read the comments by:
chrismoore2006 | July 25, 2009 12:21 AM
hclark1 | July 24, 2009 6:36 PM
blakely1 | July 24, 2009 7:44 AM
for a good laugh.

Once again, the mighty Washington Post slides towards the status of Irrelevance.

Posted by: barber2525 | July 25, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I sense some desparation among some of my fellow Democrats who voted for Obama. I think if he can apologize to the entire world for everything we may have ever done, then he could say, I am sorry, Officer Crowley. But he is too stuborn. If some of you don't like Kristol why do you read his stuff.

Posted by: gsms69 | July 25, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

You've been wrong so many times it's hard to keep track. Ever wonder what it would be like to have nothing left to hate? I would say you're an idiot but I actually feel sorry for you. What a terrible life to walk around with that much hate inside you.

Posted by: cielo1 | July 25, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Are there any blacks that know what racial profiling really is? Racial profiling IS NOT having a police officer come to a house, with a report that two black men are attempting to break down the door, and FIND a black man in the house. That is police work. The man in the house matched the little description that the police were given.

Racial profiling is looking at a group, whether drivers on the road, shoppers in a store, and saying that black men in baggy pants are more likely be carrying drugs, and stopping only black men, with no other reason than race.

However, profiling is a legitimate law enforcement tool. There are profiles that customs officers use to look for "mules." There are profiles used by state troopers to look for drug smugglers.

Profiling, right now in department stores, has security watching men and women, of any race, that are using baby strollers to hide merchandise. The profile is someone with a stroller - that gets the initial attention.

Profiling is a dept of the FBI. They come up with profiles that have narrowed the field of suspects to catch serial killers, rapists, and others.

But to say GATES was racial profiled - shows you and the "professor" are not very educated at all. Affirmative action probably put him into Harvard - which means he isn't qualified except that a black man was needed for the position - qualified or not. And this incident has shown, he is NOT.

Posted by: RL_Cudd | July 25, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama is wrong. I am 80 years old and I have never had a doctor or her/his office ask how I would pay for treatment that my insurance (or in the past 15 years Medicare) did not cover. Not ever.

My female cardiologist has four young children. She works harder, longer hours and more diligently than anyone I know. Of course she needs the money to support her family AND to pay the ridiculously expensive malpractice insurance. But never has her office asked me about my payment schedule. The same is true for my other physicians.

Posted by: Kansas28 | July 25, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

A dermatologist ordered a lab test to confirm an atheletes foot diagnosis. Insurance covered the test and insurance covered the extra charges for the dermatologist. I should have gone to a GP. My bad. My choice cost my employers plan $5.00 in 1980. His wasteful test cost them $30.00. I chose a dermatologist because he was an expert. The test was done in his lab.

Posted by: Nardwilly | July 25, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Dr. Gates followed the officer outside his home. Clearly most of you don't realize, it is possible to be arrested for disorderly conduct outside your home. Dr. Gates obviously felt he was too important to be questioned. The fact that officers responded to a call from one of his neighbors concerned that someone was breaking into his home. So it's ok for someone to yell, scream, and curse because they are too important to be questioned. Obviously, someone needs a lesson in maturity. Was it appropriate for President Obama to make statements regarding “his friend” during a Presidential Press Conference? Was the fact that he prefaced his statements with his acknowledgement of his friendship enough to show his bias? Personally, if a public official wants to make a statement regarding issues in American today, I would think statements made in this manner would undermine change. Obviously, personal bias exists.

Healthcare reform needs to start from within. Medicare and Medicaid have huge issues needing to be addressed. Yet our president is willing to make vague statements in regards to fees for surgery, seems as if he is attempting to distract from the obvious. Government has allowed the mismanagement of Medicare and Medicaid, but suddenly can manage healthcare for the entire U.S. population. Look at the VA system. I find this ludicrous. What next socialized medicine or was this the plan all along? Socialized medicine in America would destroy the freedom of choice for all Americans. How will you be affected at 70 when you are told you cannot have a pacemaker placed because you are no longer a productive member of society. Think about it! Change must occur from the inside out.

Posted by: LEarp | July 26, 2009 3:10 AM | Report abuse

"I'm a white doctor and Harvard graduate. I feel more qualified than Mr. Kristol to comment on these matters. Obama is a politician and as such, he sometimes disappoints his supporters. He is an intelligent man; he understands that we can't keep our bad healthcare system. It is bankrupting too many people, it is hurting American businesses and it encourages sending jobs overseas."

Hey Dr. "Harvard Graduate" Bob . . . (should I be impressed?) perhaps you failed to notice that for some reason everyone else in the world who needs the best medical care you can find on the planet comes to, guess where? Yes, the UNITED STATES to get it. They don't go to Cuba or Canada, or Japan or China. They come HERE! So, evidently, our health care system isn't all that bad after all. And let's not forget. Some people choose NOT to have health care insurance for various reasons. But to suggest our nation's health care system is in need of an overhaul is ridiculous. Under OBummerCare we'll all be losers. By the way, I'm wondering what kind of DR. you are? Do you practice "voodoo economics"? Last time I checked, under Obama, we're now up to a 9.5% unemployment rate and foreclosure after foreclosure around the country. And you think Obama's intelligent? The word "insane" seems more appropriate. He was supposed to fix all this, right? We need change all right, and I can't wait until November 2012 to help make it happen!

As for Kristol's column . . . GOOD JOB!

Posted by: 4Life1 | July 26, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I normally wouldn't read Mr. Kristol's comments or articles, as I already know essentially what he would say, but another site had this post linked do I had to come here and leave a comment for him. Hmmm, arrogant? Let me think? How about a so called intelectual who wrote nothing about one of the most important events of 2005, Katrina or his President's inept handling of it. Would that be counted as arrogant? No, afraid not. It's worse, it's indifferece to human suffering, which leads us to see from what arse's hole did Mr. Kristol gett such idea's of Mr. Obama's "arrogance" http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/williamkristol/index.html?match=any&query=katrina&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&submit=Search

Posted by: jaz_kochar | July 27, 2009 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Your thinking is funny and not in a good way.
Get help.

Posted by: Kelly14 | July 27, 2009 3:07 AM | Report abuse

Four years ago I saw the movie Crash which showed the virtual tinderbox of race relations that existed in our country. Today, sadly, race relations are not any better, despite a Black President. The overwhelming outpouring of letters posted to this site and many others after the President's comment about the Gates incident clearly indicated that we also have not come any further than we were after the verdict in the O.J. Simpson trial was announced sixteen years ago with Blacks celebrating and Whites in stunned disbelief. Each side has their own views about race and sometimes, oftentimes, even while perceptions may not be true, perception for that race becomes reality.

One thing I know for certain is that someday life on our planet will end but it will not be because we did not do enough about climate change. It will be because we did not do enough to change the climate of hatred, bigotry, anger, mistrust, hopelessness, and despair. Whether in our own country, the Mideast, or in many countries around the world, we are more concerned about what divides us instead of the things we have in common that can bring us together.

This past week I spent several hours reading postings about the Obama/Gates comments and on Israeli sites about the Arab Israeli conflict. I came away from reading hundreds of letters feeling very sad about my fellow human beings. If we could only bottle half of the energy we expend hating and mistrusting others and use it to fight disease, poverty, and hunger, this world would be a lot better off. Before we worry about climate change let's concentrate on changing the climate about working together to make this planet we inhabit a wonderful life for everyone.

Posted by: mjkoch* | July 27, 2009 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Yesterday, Bill Kristol was on Brit Hume's program. They both said Obama should have apologized for the "acting stupidly" remarks.

Do these two have enough facts to say Obama should apologize?

What's even worse is that Hume claimed that Obama "apologizes" to the rest of the world about what the U.S. has done. I never have heard Obama "apologize" or say "I'm sorry." He said we made some mistakes and that we would try to make things better.

I heard the same thing on Friday when Obama talked about this professor/cop case. He said both the professor and the officer were good men. He said he wanted to try to get them together to smooth things out (make things better). He did say he should have used a better choice of words.

Kristol also called the President "arrogant" yesterday. Who the heck is he to call someone "arrogant?"

Bill Kristol is one of the most arrogant people I know of. He says things with that smug grin on his face. He advocated an immoral and unnnecessary war in Iraq which killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis, yet he won't apologize for his advocacy. He advocated torture, yet I have never heard him apologize for that.

Bill Kristol has blood on his hands, but he doesn't care; he will never apologize.

And I wonder if Mr. Kristol has ever asked for George W. Bush or Dick Cheney to apologize for what they did not only in Iraq, but to the rest of the world? I have never, ever heard George W. Bush or Cheney apologize for anything; I have never heard Bush or Cheney even admit that they were wrong in some of their decisions. Cheney in fact lies about things he has said and done in the past.

Bill Kristol is an arrogant human being who should apologize for this column.

Posted by: Denjudge | July 27, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

We are in a never ending war because of the likes of you, Mr. Kristol. And you had a big hand in killing health care reform during the Clinton years. The state of health care has only gotten expoentially worse, since. The neocon movement in this country is RESPONSIBLE for many of our ills, today, and I am sick and tired of the lot of you. You will not be satisfied until you have turned this country into a militeristic hegemony controlled by the very wealthy and to hell with the rest of us.

Posted by: creatia52 | July 27, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Wash-Post is wasting its space by printing Kristol's column. I am a retired physician with 50 yrs of expeirence in my profession.

Obama is right. There are many doctors who ping-pong patients to specialists and recommend unnecessary surgeries. I have personal experiences both with my own wife and other neighbors who were recommended surgeries which they did not need and got canceled after I intervened and challenged the doctor(s)!

Kristol ought to know pediatricians dont do tonsillectomies. They refer them to ENT surgeons who make a living doing surgery! We know on an average we still perform 250,000 tonsillectomies a year, 80 to 90% unnecessary! It is hard to blame the doctors who are now coming out of medical school with an accumulated debt of 250-300,000 dollars which they want to get rid of as soon as possible! So, unncessary surgeries, treatments and tests will continue.

Unless we have a single payor system, no amount of Obama-style reforms will make a dent in our healthcare system's spiralling costs. The Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats have been bought over by the insurance companies and Obama will compromise even on the public option. That is the tragedy.

As regards the Cops! I agree with Kristol. President Obama should have stayed away from getting involved. But, as a human being, I can understand how he got sucked into it. I have read his two books and he has had negative experiences with the boorish behavior of cops! And, so have I, even though I am not African-American, but an Asian-American.

I have been stopped twice for driving an expensive car by cops and asked to prove my "ownership" by demanding proof of registration in my name!! Of course, I showed the registration, having learned not to challenge a white or black cop, all of whom are on power trips. So, my sympathies are with Prof Gates, even if Gates was "uncontrollable" in his own home and used profanity. The Cop over-reacted by arresting this old and disabled man. And, the cop did act stupidly and so did Gates even though I think that the latter's anger is defensible and the former's arrogance is not. The President by weighing in on it by calling the police stupid also behaved stupidly. But, I give him high marks to the President, for coming back and expressing regrets over his remarks and trying to broker better race relations. But, something like that will never come out of the poison pen of Kristol. That is a greater tragedy since the Kristols and Krauthammers and Gersons want nothing more than preserve this country as an exclusive bastion for the white supremacists. But, they dont realize that the majority in this country are moving away from preserving this nation as the exclusive domain for the reactionary and gun-toting whites. Thank God, the majority of whites also seem to be moving away from the types of the Kristols and Krauthammers!

Posted by: calexo | July 27, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

It is absolutely amazing the amount of lying smears and sheer baloney emanating from allegedly intelligent people, those calling themselves conservative and those labelling themselves progressives or liberals.

Posted by: hyood | July 27, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

For those that believe this Universal Health Care is a good thing, let's take a personal look at government health care, shall we. My brother at the age of 30, with not insurance, was admitted to the hospital with a Cardiomyopic induced heart attach. After 1 week in the hospital, we were instructed that he needed to get Medicare and into the county system. We were "unofficially" informed by the County Social Worker, an minority female, that our mistake in getting him to the closest hospital in a suburban neighborhood and not dumping him at the county emergency room or listing his address as the local homeless shelter, coupled with the fact that he is a Caucasian male, meant that he would more than likely be denied the health care he needed and not allowed on the government health program.

He was left with a $400K, bill and two options - fight through the court to get into the government funded health system or file for bankruptcy, with the bank and doctors losing on funds that were spent.

After successfully, suing and winning, he was able to get into the government system.

Ironically, with this issue looming over him during the past election and current Health Care debates, he still would refuse not vote for this "Reform".

Before embracing and broadening the government control on health care, perhaps they should start by fixing the VA and other government health programs down to the city level first. Coincidentally, that would do wonders for the very people that are being told this plan is for you, the UNINSURED!

Posted by: kcrich4809 | July 27, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Kristol, like the rest of the neo-con nest, are irrelavant for obvious reasons. Did he and Gerson get together to decide to use the term "juvenile"? What will be the word for tomorrow? How's the war(s) going, Billy?

Posted by: jckdoors | July 27, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Kristol: "Right as usual. Far right". Bill, you obviously don't know squat about physicians, cops, or Dr. Gates. I am a physician, my brother-in-law is a cop, and the official account of Dr. Gates' unfortunate experience refutes everything you state. If I were your editor, I would dismiss you for incompetence and dishonest journalism. But I guess your editor figures you can generate readership for the once-great Washington Post. WRONG. I've had about enough of your nonsense and inflammatory trash talk, and I doubt that I'm alone.

Posted by: markomd | July 27, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Finally some common sense.
Obama needs to shut up sometimes. His remarks are so negative and sweeping... Besides racits like Queen Latina and Professor Gates does any other American do anything the Obama approves of?

Posted by: ravioliman6666 | July 27, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

skraemer1 ask the question; why is it that when white cops make a questionable arrest of a black it raises the issue of racism. First of all I can't believe the question needs to be asked. Well anyway, I suspect it may have something to do with this countries history of lynching, falsly arresting, convicting and sentencing black people. Often times "lynchers" were the local police/sheriff. As close as PG County, the police had a terrible track record of racist acts. Come on people let's be honest. things have improved but racism still exist; if you don't believe me, just read some of these posts. Whew

Posted by: sickofit3 | July 28, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol writes an article touching on health care and comments about a police incident. Then the issue of Iraq is brought up by some responding liberals. Typical liberal behavior.

Posted by: scvaughan | July 28, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Are doctors and policemen now above reproach? Doctors NEVER, EVER order procedures for economic reasons?? I wonder why Kristol doesn't express this phony outrage when teachers are cticized.

Posted by: chrisrosica | July 28, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love the defenders of Kristol. "liberals" this "liberals" that. Is that all you got? Oh yeah, maybe that's why the guy on the comedy channel is considered the most trusted man in news. Sad...

Posted by: koolaid1 | July 28, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"In several cases, the courts in Massachusetts have considered whether a person is guilty of disorderly conduct for verbally abusing a police officer. In Commonwealth v. Lopiano, a 2004 decision, an appeals court held it was not disorderly conduct for a person who angrily yelled at an officer that his civil rights were being violated. In Commonwealth v. Mallahan, a decision rendered last year, an appeals court held that a person who launched into an angry, profanity-laced tirade against a police officer in front of spectators could not be convicted of disorderly conduct."

Posted by: JRM2 | July 28, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Mr Kristol doesn't give a hoot about the American people or their health care. Mr Kristol, like Mr Limbaugh, (albeit Kristol shows a little more class), cares only about bringing down Obama. It's a power play by the Reoublican party of "no". His lack of concern for any american regarding health care was evident when he made the statement that "the government should not have to provide ordinary people with the good health care they are providing the military". He made the statement on the John Stewart show and when Stewart asked him if he really meant that, he said "Yes". Well, I guess if you have enough money for execellent health care as Kristol has and you are receiving great, government run health care coverage at a low, low, cost such as the Congress has, you can play political games without giving the American people a second thought. Mr Kristol, you first try to foist Palin on us and then you decide we don't deserve the best of health care and you never lose a monments sleep, shame on you, shame on you.

Posted by: mancoff | July 28, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Again this was about Pride, Ego, Arrogance and too much juice in their pants. Their heads were too big and full of "Do you know who I am?" We do not care. We have enough in the world and America to spend time on this foolishness. Our economy sucks; no jobs, people dying of cancer; homeless; no money and we have to put up with a bunch of knuckleheads including our President who I love but, stupid, stupid, stupid-all involved stupid. They may have brains but, none were using brains at all including neighbor "Ms. or Mr. Fix it community watch dog".

I personally am tired of all of it. And if I were judge and any of them came to my court-Have Mercy Jesus! They would get tired of the word, COMMUNITY SERVIVE AND JUDGE SCAR1.

Ignorant crap and people suffering. A relative died yesterday. Had been dead for hours and son not understanding and people hungry; no homes; no job and these yes I said it knuckleheads thinking with their pants. Shame on all involved. "Educated Fools"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Scar1 | July 28, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

And stop inciting s.h.i.t with this Article!!!! Do not think you are getting by with it either. Putting the idea in peoples head that Obama attacks.

Shut the heck up!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Posted by: Scar1 | July 28, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama and Gates RACISTS?

TEACHABLE MOMENT: Leading Psychiatrist Concludes Obama and Professor Gates are racists with a deep seated hatred towards white people!

Watch the full video at: http://wallstreetmarketnews.blogspot.com

Posted by: tombass09 | July 28, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

what a rag this paper has become w/ the likes of gerson and this horse's azz kristol. it's disgraceful that two-bit hacks who made their names by serving the most incompetent and corrupt president in american history. these two are WRONG about everything and they're lousy human beings to top it. the wash post has become a joke.

Posted by: memorybabe1 | July 29, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Kristol: You are an idiot!

Posted by: joe803 | July 29, 2009 3:25 AM | Report abuse

As a Black female, I say isn't it ironic that the "professor" of African-American studies is the one who turned a non-racial event into one! That speaks poorly to his reasoning skills and his ability to properly evaluate race relations. And to REALLY help race relations, the best thing Skip Gates can do is just fess up and say "My bad. I am the one who first overreacted." I won't hold my breath.

I think both men overreacted; Gates went first. Skip was ticked this cop didn't know who he was; the cop became upset with Gates giving him lip and pulling the race card...and one guy had handcuffs :-).

And as a PHYSICIAN, I say Obama's comments about doctors was insulting. There may be some greedy folks in my profession, but the majority of us are well-intentioned. See my comments re: health care reform, "In Defense of Patients and Physicians" at: http://drmccloud.com/blog.php

Posted by: BlessedHealth | July 29, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

I guess if you're gonna lie, you may as well lie large. Bill and Irving Kristol are both masters of Republican lies...

Like father, like son and vice versa.

Posted by: gmoore40 | July 29, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

To Law Enforcement Every Where

I’m only one citizen so I’d like to say,
Thank you for all you do each day.
You protect and serve for so little pay,
So I can sleep knowing your at work today.
You have a job that not all can do,
I have to admit that I pray for you.
Out numbered yet onward “ Our Hero’s in Blue”.
Battling crime and corruption so that I may live,
The cost it must take for your lives you do give.
So of the President’s word’s I ask you to forgive.
This country is more than any one man.
You are loved by all, so here’s my plan.
To send you an apology from every American!

Posted by: SonnyRice | July 29, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Where do our rights come from? The hand of God.

Posted by: Dermitt | July 29, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

As for the red pill and blue pill one example would be the pills Nexium and Omeprazole. Nexium costs much more as it is still a brand name medicine and omeprazole which is even the same molecule as Nexium (nexium just has the inactive isomers of the molecule removed from the pill) cost much less. Yet many patients demand that their doctors prescribe them Nexium instead of omeprazole because of advertising they see, and many doctors acquies and prescribe them the more expensive pill even when they know that their is a cheaper pill with the exact same medicine in the same amount.

Their are many more examples where waste and excessive spending drive up the cost of healthcare, and their needs to be a change of incentives to help doctors and their patients seek out the ways to acheive more effective healthcare at a cheaper price.

Posted by: DrJohn1 | July 29, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Billy boy,
Saw you night before last on the Daily Show.You surely looked and talked like the never right goofball that you are.

Posted by: tinkabell1 | July 29, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

which makes more sense for an "honorable" man with "good" intentions?

a. Apologize SINCERELY for a blundering public racial statement made in error setting an example for everyone.

b. Commute the other two parties involved all on taxpayers expense to the white house where the controversy originated to live it up drinking beer avoiding apologizing and 'paying them off'?

c. Have the media and their advertisers pick up the tab for a public apology exactly how it spread saving the taxpayers the burden of a comment that totally showed a lack of American police officers' support and respect.

Posted by: HawaiianEye | July 29, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse


Kristol Wrote:

"But at press conferences there are often throwaway lines and unscripted moments that are interesting. I was struck by two that seemed to exemplify Obama’s easy disdain for the less enlightened among us -- in this case, for family docs and for Cambridge cops."


"Kristol uses the usual tactic of trying to provoke outrage at the treatment of some party to the issue.

Posted by: Snedly1 | July 22, 2009 11:19 PM"

You are right about the technique, Snedly1, but not the motive. He is using the Jew/Right-Wing trick of playing off the cops against the Democrats and in Particularly President Obama in hopes of getting him and his Party unelected in 2010 and 2012 or preferably assassinated.

Read the Posts on articles on guns or Race in the papers of smaller towns- the Bush Milita is seething against Blacks and Liberals. Sarah Palin's deranged Swan Song managed to criticize the treatment of the Military by Liberals.

The Israeli Jews are openly accusing Obama of winking at Nuclear weapons for Iran and that he wants the Destruction of Israel. They hint at dire consequences for Obama and the Democrats.

The Jews are going to reap the Whirlwind again.

Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com

Posted by: mchaun | July 29, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

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