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Sarah Palin Calls for...Restraint?

Sarah Palin -- after calling President Obama's health-reform plans "downright evil" and needlessly sensationalizing the debate by positing that the fate of her Down Syndrome son would be put in the hands of "Obama's 'death panel" -- is now calling for restraint. She wrote on her Facebook page (via Ben Smith):

"There are many disturbing details in the current bill that Washington is trying to rush through Congress, but we must stick to a discussion of the issues and not get sidetracked by tactics that can be accused of leading to intimidation or harassment," Palin wrote. "Such tactics diminish our nation’s civil discourse which we need now more than ever because the fine print in this outrageous health care proposal must be understood clearly and not get lost in conscientious voters’ passion to want to make elected officials hear what we are saying. Let’s not give the proponents of nationalized health care any reason to criticize us."

Some may say this is just another example of Palin's hypocrisy, which is just one of her many, real deficiencies. But at least she declined to embrace the personalities and rhetoric of the far right, recognizing that screaming at politicians infantilizes the debate. And, in the process, it makes opponents of health-care reform seem like lunatics (though she generously describes the town-hallers as “conscientious voters”).

The difference between distorting the debate (Palin) and shutting it down (town-hallers) isn’t vast, but it does exist. Indeed, the fact that even Palin is taking such an unambiguous stand against the town-hall tactics should be taken of an indication of just how senseless they are.

By Stephen Stromberg  | August 10, 2009; 5:09 PM ET
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Piper, stop writing stuff in your mom's facebook account. People are going to think she a bad person.

Posted by: angelou | August 10, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin Says ???

Fei Hu

Posted by: Fei_Hu | August 10, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

If Palin really wrote that stuff about death panels in the New Health Reform then I believe she has sunk to a level where she can be called a "Political Terrorist" How can you go around spreading half truths and fake outrage to instigate a revolt of the people, using her handicaped child as a pawn nontheless. Just unbelievable.

Posted by: angelou | August 10, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

SARAH MCEVIL AND ERIK PRINCE TO WED SOON!! ALL THE RIGHTEOUS EVIL, ARROGANCE & CHRISTIANITY WRAPPED UP IN ONE NICE NEAT BIBLE THUMPIN' PACKAGE!!! STAYED TUNED FOLKS.....

Posted by: wa_idaho_lonewolf | August 10, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

The idea that Sarah Palin could have read or understood the various health care reform proposals being discussed on Capitol Hill is ludicrous. This woman doesn't even read the newpapers. What's more, her willful ignorance is one of the things her fans find so appealing, because they can identify with it.

No, this is just another episode of Ms. Palin dragging "pore little Trig" out yet again for another of her photo ops to try to keep her name in the news. Sad, really.


Posted by: alexgfoley | August 10, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

"Let’s not give the proponents of nationalized health care any reason to criticize us"

Well, at least she's right about that. All I can hear on this debate now is what the democrats say, and I'm not impressed. But I have to come to that conclusion on my own, because the opposition political party are just a bunch of screaming idiots.

They don't care about the point of the debate, all they care about is making this president lose something he wants. The political battle is all there is for them.

So both their motives and their tactics leave me unwilling to listen to anything they have to say. I wonder how many other independents feel the same way.

Posted by: katavo | August 10, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

NOTICE TO ALL MAINSTREAM MEDIA:

to an attention-wh@re / narcissist like Caribou Barbie,
there is no such thing as 'bad' publicity.

Freeze / stop any and all media coverage of her asap.

Then watch closely and observe just how ridiculous and downright seditious all her little tweets / blogs /blurbs / pharts become to regain public and press attention. It will make the shouting of "terrorist" / "KILL him" look like a haiku.

My personal wish is that her inflammatory statements backfire one-day soon in a way much like "Operation Mongoose" did some 46 years ago.

(that's right - I SAID it)

Posted by: davequ | August 10, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Her PMS lasted little longer than normaly, so here she comes back again until next cycle. There it is, I said it and my intent is to insult her, because she obviously has same intent to democratic party. Oh NO, don't get fooled that she is trying to help people, that's what Obama told us all, but look at it now; DO YOU FEEL INSULTED?

Posted by: BOBSTERII | August 10, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Instead of facing the essence of Sarah Palin's vital point about Obama's attitude to providing health care based on value, the writer does an ad hominem about hypocrisy that betrays the weakness of his thought. Palin stands for the dignity of the person as such and not to the value of that individual to society which is the Communist and Fascist norm from which socialism borrows. That's the essence of the argument which gave us the Declaration of Independence and its famous 35-word description of human, personal dignity - self-evident except to the bleary eyed and rooted in God a Giver and not the government. Your writer shows a shallowness in trivializing that challenge made by Palin. Time for Stromberg and the Washington Post to wake up and read the Declaration. And maybe invite Obama and team to do the same. It's the foundational document of this Nation that is so sadly being eroded by every socialistic effort to form a society rooted in government giving. Sit verbum sapiens satis sapienti.

Posted by: georgejbryan | August 10, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Sarah "The Bimbo" Palin is turning out to be pandering to the extreme wacko right wing Republican psycho nut cases.

Posted by: lindalovejones | August 10, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Actually that was the right thing to do. Obama on the other hand has encouraged violence that is starting with Union thugs showing up at townhall meetings to try and deal with some of these "right wing terrorists" that we shall call citizens.

The problem with Obama encouraging this is that it could easily escalate into more violence than we have seen to date. All sides need to step back and take a breath before someone gets killed or seriously injured.

The author of this piece of drivel is a stooge, an idiot or both.

Posted by: Bubbette1 | August 10, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

She didn't decline to engage in the rhetoric of the far right. She stoked the fire of the far right and then pretended to decline to engage in its rhetoric. But as long as you folks continue to print what this person who claims to just want to be a private citizen has to say, she will continue to mouth off.

Wait until she finds out that her private health care plan doesn't want to fund her son's care either. Private insurers, even the "Cadillac" plans, have had exclusions for developmental disorders for years. Their theory is, if it is developmental, the child is not "sick" and won't "get better" so there is no point in paying for "treatment." It is appalling and unfair, and it fails to recognize the fact that kids with developmental challenges can gain more skills with an intensive therapeutic approach. If Palin wants to galvinize some support to change it, good for her. But demonizing the Obama plan won't get her there.

Posted by: fmjk | August 10, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

While staying at a Ronald McDonald house I met a young couple who recently found their 5 year old daughter had a rare brain disease. They were told by every hospital there was nothing that could be done. Desperate, they found one hospital in the U.S. that could hopefully, correct the problem through surgery. They were told that they had to come up with $100,000 down-payment or watch their precious daughter have stroke, after stroke.

The father became so stressed-out that he had a heart attack.

Now they are in for $350k - besides what their medical insurance will pay.

Posted by: JRM2 | August 10, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

After 2.5 years in office does she collect an entitlement government pension and the entitlement government health care?

Posted by: whocares666 | August 10, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I encourage everyone to research what happened with Medicaid in Alaska under Palin's watch. People WERE dying due to Sarah's negligence. She has no compassion whatsoever. NONE.

The word "hypocrite" is too polite when Palin is the subject of conversation.

Maybe she was surprised at the backlash about her "death panels" stupidity. Sarah is SO VERY immature. Everything that spews from her mouth reminds me of something a middle-school twit would say.

Her reasoning abilities are likewise immature. The woman is a walking, talking fallacy machine. It's too late, Sarah. Your opponents and most everybody else think you have lost your marbles. Completely.

Posted by: mavisdarling | August 10, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I decided to do a Sarah Palin review of this article. I have no idea what it says or what it means because I didn't read it and don't care to. But whatever it says it is rubish since Sarah Palin is involved. Unless it is pure comedic fiction then maybe it is worth a laugh.

Posted by: myhumbleopinion1 | August 10, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

"Would ya stop making things up?". I think Sarah should heed her own advise that she so smugly gave to the press on her exit.

Posted by: jerzygrl | August 10, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Palin is right about having someone, a third party or some government entity, making resource allocation decisons based upon liklihood of efficiacy and value to society. She envisons a scenario wherein an eldely person needing dialysis is compared to a younger person needing say a bypass. With limited resources, someone would have to decide, who gets the treatment. She calls it a death panel. People have reacted with shock and horror at such a notion. But she is absolutely right. A "death panel" is exactly what we need. We need someone to say the homeless HIV infected IV drug abuser who presents with his third episode of aortic valve endocarditis is not entitled to yet another $250,000 operation at taxpayer expense. We need someone to say that the chronic alcoholic who presents every other week with decompensated acute alcoholic hepatitis does not deserve yet another evaluation for a liver transplant. We need someone to say that the patient with chronic low back pain does not get that third spinal fusion. Yup, that's what we need...a just say no death panel.

Posted by: physicianexec | August 10, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

georgejbryan,

The writer was speaking of the "essence" as you put it of Palin. Point is there is nothing in this bill about Euthanasia. Exactly what the writer is talking about. I guess her quote about the media making stuff up doesnt apply to her. And what does the Declaration of Independence have to do with this? Are you related to that nutty dentist in California????????????

Posted by: rharring | August 10, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

http://truthiest.blogspot.com/2009/08/palin-copralia-rotten-mouth-insult.html

Palin Coprolalia: Rotten Mouth Insult Compulsion

Here she goes again. Sarah Palin manifests another symptom of her Tourette Syndrome besides the winky eye-tic -- this time an involuntary outburst of crap mouth diarrhea. She can't help it -- it's a well known mental disease, Coprolalia, a compulsion which forces her to sprinkle foul insulting statements in every paragraph.

Palin is unable to articulate issues in a strait-forward way, just stating facts and linking them to credible sources. Innuendo works for her. "Just making stuff up" works for her. (Hint to Palin: people see your lies -- google the following headline.)

Palin + Civility equals Lies + Speechwriter

Posted by: know1 | August 10, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

It seems that everyone wants to attack Palin rather than find out whether her statements are true or not. Will access to health care depend on one's value to society as determined by Obama? Or Obama's successor? What will the criteria be for rationing? (It is no answer to say that we already have rationing by insurance companies.) Are age and disability the disqualifying factors? If so she is right and the plan is evil. Remember, even if you like and trust Obama, some day someone that you do not like or trust will be in charge of the rationing decisions. Will race be a factor then? Ethnicity? Political point of view? Has Stromberg read the bill? Or is it just too easy to attack Palin because he has no answers?

Posted by: penn9966 | August 10, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

http://truthiest.blogspot.com/2009/08/john-edwards-exposers-catch-sarah.html

John Edwards Exposers Catch Sarah Palin's Adultery.

While still married to her husband Todd, Sarah had and extramarital affair with Todd's former business partner, Brad Hanson, according to the National Enquirer. The Enquirer is the same paper that caught politico John Edwards cheating.

SARAH PALIN LOVER REVEALED!

In a world exclusive The NATIONAL ENQUIRER names GOP VP Candidate Sarah Palin's secret lover!

No less than three members of the man's family including one by sworn affidavit have claimed that Sarah Palin engaged in an extramarital affair with hus­band Todd’s former business partner, Brad Hanson.

Sarah Palin's silence on affair deafening
Lack of threats and insults from Palin speaks volumes

For someone who's responded with rage and venom to an endless stream of ethics complaints and any other perceived slight, Sarah Palin's silence about a reported affair she had speaks volumes.

Posted by: know1 | August 10, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Sarah is my heroine.

She is so smart to figure out that being the governor of Alaska is a chump job that pays nickels and dimes. She has see the light – that a smart, well put together, plain talking, sharp speaking woman can get rich in less than a New York minute.
She has looked around at the likes of Rush and Ann coulter and knows that she can be their equal or better in the free market place of political rhetoric.

She knows that it does not have to be true or even make sense! She knows that there are plenty of born-agains, trailer park moms and old, libidinous white guys who will pay money to hear her spout anything that she want to as long as she is against non born again Christians, the “GOVERNMENT’ and anything else that is “non American” in their view.

Every right wing politician out there will have her come and speak and campaign for their cause and she will rake in the big bucks. No more nickel and dime stuff. It has nothing to do with morality or philosophical beliefs; it is all about pure unrestrained, free market capitalism and making it while you can.

She is my heroine

Posted by: dotto | August 10, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

I agree with "alexgfoley".

Posted by: MILW | August 10, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

The thing that angers me about some of the conservative attacks against the bill are that they completely ignore some of the huge, consumer-friendly changes in it (regardless of political bent), and are focusing on (and, IMO, distorting) a few clauses.

The current house bill does things like:

Places legal caps on Medical Loss Ratios (which have plummeted over the last 20 years).
Eliminates *any* rescission except in cases of fraud - and even then, requires a 3rd party review.
Places limits on cost-sharing, both copay and coinsurance.
Essentially eliminates the need for the phrase, "pre-existing condition".

Posted by: iamweaver | August 10, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

"Desperate, they found one hospital in the U.S. that could hopefully, correct the problem through surgery. "

Just one, huh? Just one hospital in the whole country? Hmm? Princeton Plainsboro by any chance?

Tell me JRM2, do you have any verifiable facts to go with this parable? No? I thought not.

Posted by: oldster | August 10, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Palin at times makes Ann Coulter sound like a logical thinking individual. Is Palin really that stupid? Yes she is, I know that already for I have not forgotten the eloquence of her other verbalizations. I loved the comment that her youngest daughter writes her Facebook entries; sure sounds like a kid's idea of reality.

She embarrasses thinking women every time she opens her mouth. And she never learns from her past mistakes; she just keeps charging ahead - proving that she just isn't smart enough to do anything connected with governing again.

If she would just think before she speaks out loud. maybe with a few $$$$ from the SarahPac she could get a tape recorder and listen to how absurd she sounds before she publicly tries to act like an educated person.

But in her (small) mind she is the queen on knowledge. She is the one in her family with a real disability.

Posted by: cjw3 | August 10, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Bubette1

read Palin's Facebook Lies

and maybe you realizse what big a fool you really are.

Posted by: mackiejw | August 10, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Aw, c'mon cjw3, sarah is at least smart enough to realize that she doesn't have to do any thinking before she opens her mouth.

In order to perceive any current hypocrisies you have to be able to remember what she did say and compare it to what she is saying now.

The paleo-retards who drool over everything she has to say lack sufficient long-term memory and cognitive processing power to be able to achieve that perception.

This is a very complex issue. The republicans are counting on the overhanging brow of their base, they are using outrage, self-righteousness, and bovinity to flame the passions of these morons in the hopes this passionate hatred and anger will results in sufficient votes to defeat the democrats in the next election.

And so are the democrats, hoping for a different result. I don't think they mind at all that the only opponent they face on this issue is widely perceived by all who are not reactionary republican to be truly insane and unable to comprehend the debate.

Who listens to Sarah Palin, who believes her? Nobody who matters, that's the truth. And the democrats know this.

Posted by: katavo | August 10, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

She is a DOPE.

Posted by: MamaPajama | August 10, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

When are these God loving politico-religiousd zealots going to start speaking the truth?

Aren't Christians obliged to tell the truth and not lie? Even when it comes to politics? Does Sarah think it's okay to spin this whole issue to make it appear Obama get to decide little Trig's fate?

This is of course totally irrational. But how is it she and others can spread this idiocy and do it in the name of God??

I'm sorry but she gives Christianity a bad name.

And why does she feel comfortable dragging her son's name into the public debates when she has lamented so often lately the press mentioning her family?

I'm all for leraving her family out of the press too. But she isn't helping.

Me thinks she is starting to wobble out of control.

Posted by: patrick10 | August 10, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

I hear now that the thugs who have disrupted these town hall meetings may be facing down busloads of Obama supporters in the form of organized labor, student organizations, the AARP, and many other groups that support a change in what we have because it flat out benefits no one but fat cat insuarnce companies. I laugh when I hear such idiotic comments from the yellow-bellied Rush limbaugh supporters that they don't want a "government bureaucrat" to come between them and their doctor. Besides the fact that half these screaming dimwits don't even have health care (about 47 million people have none at all, and a lot are poor white folks in middle America), and aaprently, a lot of them don't have a job either, they would feel better that an insurance company clerk decide if there care meets "medical necessity". That's about as stupid as stupid gets, and this loud-mouthed crowd of bullies is just that ... plain stupid. Let's see how they handle the pro-health care plan armies when they show up at the twon hall meetings, fatso Limbaugh's radio station, the RNC HQ, etc. They are coming people, right at you. You think you heard loud & rough before, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Posted by: pookiecat | August 10, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

In trying to back away from her "death panel" statement she does not dismiss her own words which heightened the rhetoric even higher, just asks everyone to calm down, but at the same time says the debate is about "nationalized heath care". None of the plans are close to a national healthcare system.

Again she lies. You know what they say, once you get use to lying its hard to stop. They seem to be rolling off her tongue lately.

Posted by: Fate1 | August 10, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

So let me see if I get this straight. You're citing hypocrisy on Palin when a day after the President says "Hit back twice as hard" several SEIU members beat up a protester to the point of hospitalization?

So, hypocrisy, huh?

Posted by: Fish2 | August 10, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

First she uncorks the genie and then she tries to put it back in the bottle. And McCain thought she was capable of being president? What a drama queen. And she isn't a former anything she quit!

Posted by: AverageJane | August 10, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

"it makes opponents of health-care reform seem like lunatics."

They can get in line with the Birthers, the anti-evolutionists, apocalyptic Evangelicals and the folks who wee convince that GW Bush did a heckova a job. The Lunatic Fringe just about sums them up.

Go Sarah! Keep up the good work!

Posted by: thebobbob | August 10, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

American people and voters have been here and seen these actions from the right wing or extremists. Americans will need to stand up and be heard on any discussion especially at townhall meetings which are important to our American values. These type of discussions being held for Health Care issues were never held for the 2nd Iraq war because the GOP (Cheney) was not interested in other American opinions except for the Right Wing input.
Nine years later, after two terms of the promised “uniter,” 2000 George Bush, America finds itself with an economy on the brink of disaster - a result of reckless spending and mismanagement by a Republican administration that ran on the platform of smaller, effective government and fiscal responsibility.
2004, America saw a country that had become more divided. America was now in two wars; its popularity in the world was slipping, in part due to its invasion of Iraq ; Congress had become even less effective than it was when it was deeply mired in partisan politics at the end of the Clinton years; and the economy had begun to show signs of a slow hemorrhaging.
The American economy has a long way to go to recover in 2009, but recovery will never be soon enough for Americans that just need a fair chance to help themselves. Health Care that is fair to all Americans may just be the only change Americans need to help Americans keep chasing their American Dreams
How long before you think one of those right wing militia nut-jobs whips out an assault rifle at one of these town halls? Remember the cries of "Kill him!" at the Palin rallies? The threats of armed insurrection at the tea parties? The Homeland Security assessment that the radical right wing groups are a terrorist threat? The right wing head case that shot the abortion doctor?

Posted by: wbillreyes | August 10, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Bubbette1 rationalized: "Actually that was the right thing to do. Obama on the other hand has encouraged violence that is starting with Union thugs showing up at townhall meetings to try and deal with some of these "right wing terrorists" that we shall call citizens."

So I guess you think union members are not citizens? And when did Obama "encourage violence"? Where do you get your information anyway?

Bubbette1 rationalized: "The problem with Obama encouraging this is that it could easily escalate into more violence than we have seen to date. All sides need to step back and take a breath before someone gets killed or seriously injured."

So you agree violence did not start with the union members, it started with those showing up and disrupting town meetings. I'm finding it funny that now that its been reported some people who support the bill might show up to shout down the rioters the rioters are scared and trying to calm things down. These rioters are just bullies, going to the town halls and shouting down old ladies asking questions to stifle the debate, then pleading victim when someone shows up to stop them. Just like high school, only then immaturity was expected.

Posted by: Fate1 | August 10, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Fish2 writes:
"

So let me see if I get this straight. You're citing hypocrisy on Palin when a day after the President says "Hit back twice as hard" several SEIU members beat up a protester to the point of hospitalization?

So, hypocrisy, huh?"
--------------------------------------

This comment was in reference to TV ads, and it wasn't the President that said it - that was his deputy Chief of Staff.

It wasn't even said at a public event.

Posted by: iamweaver | August 10, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

"Tell me JRM2, do you have any verifiable facts to go with this parable? No? I thought not.

Posted by: oldster | August 10, 2009 7:17 PM "

----
The surgery was performed at Lucile Packard Childrens Hospital at Stanford. They were turned away by at least two hospitals in Dallas, the only hospital they found (after researching it) was LPCH at Stanford. Below is a link to Neome's site (the 5 year old girl)

http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/holdren

How dare you accuse me of lying, I and other families have had a very difficult time by having a critically ill child. Maybe you should spend some time at a Ronald McDonald house so you can see how it affects families first hand.

Posted by: JRM2 | August 10, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone get the idea that Sarah Palin acts like a racket ball as it bounces off one wall after another? Who knows where her equilibrium point really is!

Posted by: EarlC | August 10, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Fred Flintstone said "Yabba dabba, doo!"

That is more relevant than what Palin says.

Posted by: HumanSimpleton | August 10, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

As a 20+ year resident of Palmer ,Ak. I can assure you that those are not the words of Palin, they may be attributed to her but someone else wrote them. To clear and concise to be believable! Clarity is not her forte'.

Posted by: victorlove1 | August 10, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Does not matter how this is "candy coated" when resources are reduced to an aging population group and options are limited to certain procedures then you have the choice of "end of life care" that is the result of a death panel.
Had a relative who was denied access to care with cost containment policies by the Clinton administration. The result- the relative died. I do not need a democrat agenda serving writer to tell me what to think. We've had a real life experience to explain the real agenda behind all of this years ago.

Posted by: Tinker4 | August 10, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

The lunatic fringe, was just that, a fringe until recently. Now it is the mainstream of the Republican Party.

So where are the level headed Republicans?

With the asinine town hall disruptions, and the vituperative rhetoric of Sarah Palin and her ilk....the Independent voters are fleeing en masse.

The GOP...going...going....GONE.


Posted by: ethereal_reality | August 10, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we should consider letting Alaska secede from the United States after all. Then all these right-wing tin-foil-hat fringe lunatics, I mean, republicans, can go there and live happily ever after, and the rest of us can get some real health insurance!

Posted by: bcaka | August 10, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Palin is afraid a government panel would prevent her from getting that brain transplant she so desperately needs.

Posted by: freon1 | August 10, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Palin may have finally moved a step above the Brownshirts who raided the town meetings, but she is no credible advocate of civil discourse. Palin's lies and hypocrisy about health care reform are as extreme as the politicians from both major parties who echo the propaganda of their masters in the health insurance industry. Palin is closer to television wrestling than civil discourse and ideas to save this nation from the wreckage of her party. Rev. Bookburn - Radio Volta

Posted by: revbookburn | August 10, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Ignorance is bliss! I fail to understand why the press continues to give Palin any coverage at all. She is a shock jock groping for attention from those who are also at her low level of intellect.

Posted by: aeaustin | August 10, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Ignorance is bliss! I fail to understand why the press continues to give Palin any coverage at all. She is a shock jock groping for attention from those who are also at her low level of intellect.

Posted by: aeaustin | August 10, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

American patriots and veterans will vote and not allow you liberal shallow hate mongers to subvert the nation to your communist/socialistic ideas for national health care and everything else a socialist disaster. Yeah, in your frustration you social subverters go ballistic with your hate threats against Republicans. Sorry, stupids... This is still a Republic and you will never succeed in wresting our freedoms away. Might as well take your SEIU goons and go home, along with your ACORN troops and other discouraging mouthpieces. Cheating in this game won't work. The government methods you propose have already been tried and shown to be failures...

Posted by: USDefender | August 10, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

"...Our opponent though, is someone who sees America it seems as being so imperfect that he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country?” Sarah Palin during campaign .

Now she saids Obama has "death panels."

I suggest free healthcare for Palin as long as we get her to the doctor right away. We also want the doctor to take a look at those who continue to support her for President.

Posted by: MILLER123 | August 10, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Now what is Gingrich going to do? He backed up her claim of a death panel.

A death panel to kill Granny. Can you even freaking believe that there are any Americans dumb enough to believe such a thing?

The only restraint that Palin needs is a straight jacket.

Posted by: NotNowMooky | August 10, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Didn't she just tell the "mainstream media" to "stop makin stuff up" and to leave the kids out of it?

But here she goes putting Trig into the debate again and makin "death panels" up. What a disingenuous infantile moron she is.

Posted by: Chops2 | August 10, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Instead of disparaging a person like Palin, you should be more concerned about things like targeted chemotherapy being denied to you or a family member. There is nothing amusing about watching a family member die from an illness like this with a procedure that may not be allowed on this health plan.
Media attacks only misdirect you from asking the real questions. Who does this health care plan cover? What procedures does it not cover? Your choices are being limited by people who will not use the same health care plan. There must be a reason for that...

Posted by: Tinker4 | August 10, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Palin unleashes her Venom on the Public one day, and then wants to retract the next, what is with this Psycho.

She sounds a little bipolar to me, and in definite need of some Health care Reform.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | August 10, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

What should we expect from someone who went to 5 colleges in six years. (or however it goes) What was she running away from then? And what is she running away from now? Why is she in hiding?

Posted by: MILLER123 | August 10, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

USDefender:
"American patriots and veterans will vote and not allow you liberal shallow hate mongers to subvert the nation to your communist/socialistic ideas for national health care and everything else a socialist disaster."

You r the only industrialized western nation without commie socialist healthcare. R u seriously suggesting that every other industrialized western nation are commie socialists? Is this tired Palinesque, regurgitated rhetoric the best u got? If the free market had the solution to healthcare it would have found it by now. It doesnt. So put on your Jesus boots and help the poor Cletus.

Posted by: Chops2 | August 10, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

USDefender:
"American patriots and veterans have already voted this past fall. Where have you been Rumpstilkin?

Posted by: MILLER123 | August 10, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

She's more retarded than her baby is.

Posted by: danw1 | August 10, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a narcissist and quite possibly a sociopath. The press of all types feeds her needs by bringing attention to her ludicrous dribble. Most people's interest in Palin is the same shown by rubberneckers who cause a traffic jam because they want to see what happened in the accident on the other side of the highway. Rather than rubberneck, pay attention to what you are doing instead.

It isn't Palin who troubles me, Palin has proven time and again what an unthinking, reactionary idiot she is. What troubles me is all of the people who actually believe what she says. Those people are scary!

Posted by: wes1155 | August 10, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Tinker4 writes:
"Instead of disparaging a person like Palin, you should be more concerned about things like targeted chemotherapy being denied to you or a family member."
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As far as I can see, no such issue is listed in the current version of the bill - unless targeted chemotherapy is specifically designated as experimental medicine (and even then, there's no prohibition in the bill preventing its inclusion in whatever policy you choose).


If you haven't accessed it yet, here it is:
http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3200:

Posted by: iamweaver | August 10, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

USDefender writes:
"American patriots and veterans will vote and not allow you liberal shallow hate mongers to subvert the nation to your communist/socialistic ideas for national health care and everything else a socialist disaster."

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Less typing, more reading, please. H.R.3200 is about healthcare REGULATION changes. It's no more "socialistic" than current healthcare regulations.

Now, H.R.676 does discuss offering a government-administered alternate, but even that isn't socialism. Medicare - now, that *is* a form of socialism.

Posted by: iamweaver | August 10, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

People need to wake up and see this lying fraud for who he is, and America hating, Saudi King bowing, dictator loving, racist Kenyan usurper dirt-bag!

Watch obama lie like a dog.

http://www.breitbart.tv/naked-emperor-news-obamas-mother-of-all-political-lies-and-the-town-hall-mayhem-it-caused/comment-page-1/#comment-2529261

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Posted by: steveb777 | August 10, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

*** PRESIDENT PALIN LIBERATES AMERICA ***
12:00:00 - 01.20.2013

Posted by: zjr78xva | August 10, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

"Tell me JRM2, do you have any verifiable facts to go with this parable? No? I thought not.

Posted by: oldster | August 10, 2009 7:17 PM "

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The surgery was performed at Lucile Packard Childrens Hospital at Stanford. They were turned away by at least two hospitals in Dallas, the only hospital they found (after researching it) was LPCH at Stanford. Below is a link to Neome's site (the 5 year old girl)

http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/holdren

How dare you accuse me of lying, I and other families have had a very difficult time by having a critically ill child. Maybe you should spend some time at a Ronald McDonald house so you can see how it affects families first hand.

Posted by: JRM2

Wow oldster, you stepped in that one. I'd look for an apology but you don't sound like a reasonable enough human being to even know that would be appropriate. Did your mom teach you to treat people like that? I'm sure she'd be proud.

Posted by: lostinthemiddle | August 10, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Instead of facing the essence of Sarah Palin's vital point about Obama's attitude to providing health care based on value, the writer does an ad hominem about hypocrisy that betrays the weakness of his thought. Palin stands for the dignity of the person as such and not to the value of that individual to society which is the Communist and Fascist norm from which socialism borrows. That's the essence of the argument which gave us the Declaration of Independence and its famous 35-word description of human, personal dignity - self-evident except to the bleary eyed and rooted in God a Giver and not the government. Your writer shows a shallowness in trivializing that challenge made by Palin. Time for Stromberg and the Washington Post to wake up and read the Declaration. And maybe invite Obama and team to do the same. It's the foundational document of this Nation that is so sadly being eroded by every socialistic effort to form a society rooted in government giving. Sit verbum sapiens satis sapienti.

Posted by: georgejbryan |
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When I first read this I was sure George was being ironic...sarcastic...funny. Second reading proved he is being sincere. Surely you must be joking. You simply must be joking.

Sarah Palin uses words like "death panels" and accuses the Obama administration of wanting to kill her infant and someone, anyone, is expected to hear the essence of her statement?

So if I walk up to you and tell you that you are an ugly, stupid, 'tard, whose parents are inbreeders and who fondles his sister, are you going to hear the essence of my vital point that you may have some character flaws?

The entire vital point is that one does not make their vital points by spewing garbage. It is the height of hypocrisy to suddenly call for others to give no reason for criticism while having done just the opposite. My personal opinion is that Mrs. Palin will say anything, anything to keep her name in the public forum, no matter how hypocritical or ridiculous or vile.

It is Mrs. Palin who obscures her vital point (if it is possible for her to have one when she is so vitally wrong about "death panels") not Mr. Stromberg.

Posted by: arancia12 | August 10, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/holdren/photos

Go ahead oldster, look at the pictures of this little girl suffering and pat yourself on the back for being an unmitigated creep.

Posted by: lostinthemiddle | August 10, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, Post writers. You all wrote Sarah off, said she was a quitter, damaged goods, incoherent, done, finished, over, soooo yesterdays news. Yet....yet... you soooo can't get enough of her you have to go on FACEBOOK to see what to write about her because you're so pathetic you can't write about Claire McCaskill or Loretta Sanchez or any of hundreds of other women in politics. You could write about how Gillibrand abandoned her 2nd amendment stance. You could write about how Pelosi is the most despicable Speaker in history. You could write about the articulate and competent Marsha Bradburn, but you prefer to join the OTHER GIRLS in the newsroom and titter about Sarah Palin. You girls are sooo yesterday.

Posted by: chatard | August 10, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

What exactly is "unambiguous" about declaring the opposition's plans "downright evil" one day and then calling for restraint the next? A better example of ambiguity could hardly be found.

Not that it matters. These town hall disruptions are nothing more than a loud and angry death rattle for the current version of conservatism. They could gain seats in next year's elections -- the party out of power nearly always does -- and I'm still not worried in the long term.

Posted by: mattdance18 | August 10, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's calling the President's healthcare proposals 'evil' is outrageous. She knows better. She knows that what she's saying is an outright lie. There is no such plan. She's just stiring up the base, that was her her objective with all of this.

With 50 million Americans currently without health insurance and more just a pink slip away from losing theirs, it is obscene that the Palins, Limbaughs, Fox News talking heads, etc. are putting forth these distortions, half-truths and out and out lies. For example:

Myth: Health care reform is socialized medicine.

Fact: Health care reform will preserve the employer-based health care system, meaning an estimated 200 million Americans will continue to get their coverage through their employers.

Fact: For people buying coverage for themselves, there would be a range of private health plans to choose from. Also, the so-called "public plan" option would seek to give American consumers another choice if they can't find affordable, quality coverage in the private insurance market. The goal of the "public plan" is to give consumers the best value for their money and force greater competition among insurance plans for our business.

Fact: Every proposal that Congress is considering would allow people to choose their own doctors and hospitals.
Bottom Line: Health care reform isn't about a government takeover. It's about guaranteeing all Americans a choice of health care plans they can afford.

Myth: Health care reform means rationed care.

Fact: None of the health reform proposals being considered would stand between individuals and their doctors or prevent any American from choosing the best possible care.

Fact: Health care reform will NOT give the government the power to make life or death decisions for anyone regardless of their age. Those decisions will be made by an individual, their doctor and their family.

Fact: Health care reform will help ensure doctors are paid fairly so they will continue to treat Medicare patients.

Bottom Line: Health reform isn't about rationing; it's about giving people the peace of mind of knowing that they will be able to keep their doctors and that they will always have a choice of affordable

Posted by: laSerenissima2003 | August 10, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a nut job just waiting to crack! Ops looks like she just did!

Posted by: nallcando | August 10, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's tactics remind me of those of the late Senator Joseph McCarthy. Pretending to know something evil about others was how he began his reign of terror and deceit. Lame Duck Palin is proving to be a master of the same approach. The sooner the media exposes her for who she really is the sooner we can begin an honest debate about health care issues.

Posted by: lairb7 | August 10, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Palin is irrelevant but it is expected that the Hanity / Limbaugh brownshirts will now start to call for 'restraint.' These bullies want to intimidate members of Congress and shut down public meetings. The folks who wanted everyone heard, and not just the brownshirts heard, got a bellyfull of it and began to fight back. The brownshirts predicably crawled back under their rocks now wanting 'restraint.'

Posted by: orange3 | August 10, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Sarah Palin: Queen of Civil Discourse.

Perhaps she's bi-polar.

If so, I'm sure she still has her socialist medical coverage thanks to the taxpayers of Alaska.

Posted by: SarahBB | August 10, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

"the fact that even Palin is taking such an unambiguous stand against the town-hall tactics "

But she's not being unambiguous. (If her middle name was not Caribou Barbie it would be Ambiguous. Well, maybe sometimes Inscrutable.) Her first statement is exactly what drives these teabaggers on. Just like during the campaign drumming up that amazing amount of hate. And later we are supposed to understand it was all McCain's fault. So which are we supposed to believe? Sorry...she's part of the problem.

Posted by: tfspa | August 10, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

American patriots and veterans will vote and not allow you liberal shallow hate mongers to subvert the nation to your communist/socialistic ideas for national health care and everything else a socialist disaster. Yeah, in your frustration you social subverters go ballistic with your hate threats against Republicans. Sorry, stupids... This is still a Republic and you will never succeed in wresting our freedoms away. Might as well take your SEIU goons and go home, along with your ACORN troops and other discouraging mouthpieces. Cheating in this game won't work. The government methods you propose have already been tried and shown to be failures...

Posted by: USDefender
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Dude, you should have read the PATRIOT Act. Unfortunately, your rights have been wrested away and I'll bet you didn't even know it.

I'm a veteran and I figured it out. You can too. Giving health care to people is not socialism but rifling through your home without a warrant is. The military also just happens to be one of the most socialist institutions on earth.

Posted by: arancia12 | August 10, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

If I understand correctly, she also said she was going to read the bill.

That'd be fun to watch.

Posted by: pressF1 | August 10, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin has all the tongues wagging. One year ago nobody ever heard of Sarah Palin, now everybody is expert on her, her family,her belief system. You know about as much about her as the man you elected President, litle or nothing. This inexperienced politician, community organizer is going to reform the nation in the shape David Axelrod and Rham Emanuel design.

Posted by: weidenhof4 | August 10, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

That this caterwalling, thoughtless mouth-off

gets covered with either her "death panel"
statement outrage...
or her supremely silly attempt to cover it after it garnered universal disgust and amazement...

shows exactly how low we have sunk. This isn't the first time she's gone over an edge that no one else will. People with any kind of judgement or intelligence won't, don't and haven't. Only Palin.

THIS? How could even the most angry right wingers stomach this?

Posted by: kindfrazier | August 10, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

iamweaver. Targeted chemo would be under an experimental heading and has been discussed as a possible issue for cost containment in other circles. There are reasons Canadian nationals and others come to this country to receive medical care that they cannot get in their country or in a timely manner.

Posted by: Tinker4 | August 10, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Right, Tinker4. So it's not covered by H.R.3200. This bill specifically lists *required* portions of health care plans (just as current legislation does). Thus, there is no change between your current options and those if this bill is passed as is.

Posted by: iamweaver | August 10, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

The GOP is increasing becoming a party of goons, thugs and criminals qwho will say anything however bizzare or nonsensical. It is truly a testament to the gullibility of the public. The GOP has is devoid of constructive. It is singularly focused on making country ungovernable by inciting mob by uttering and repeating lies, even to the point of resorting and threatening violence. In that sense its pretty much like a terrorist group. Except it is even more dangerous because it well funded by the U.S. corporations and gets overwhelming support from its media empire. Who said we don't support terrorism?

Posted by: kevin1231 | August 10, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Palin is pissed because Obama's plan doesn't cover her witchdoctor. Plain and simple.

Posted by: NotNowMooky | August 10, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse


Sarah Palin isn't a hypocrite...she's deranged.

There is a post above avering that she is
narsissic and probably a sociopath. One wonders if that isn't right on?

Posted by: kindfrazier | August 10, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Here is the best yet, courtesy of Huff Post: one of the most ardent champions of the end of life planning & care Section 1233 is a pro-life Republican -- U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson of Georgia.

Isakson is a member of Senate Health committee that played a key role in shaping the health care reform legislation!! He successfully offered an amendment in committee that allows funds for a government-funded program that provides in-home services to people with disabilities to be used for advance care planning, according to the national Hospice and Palliative Care Organization.

In 2007, he co-sponsored two bills to encourage such planning -- the Medicare End-of-Life Care Planning Act and the Advance Planning and Compassionate Care Act. In 2005, he signed a personal "Directive for Final Health Care" to encourage Georgians to discuss their personal wishes for end-of-life care.

ALL THE REPUBLICAN SCARE DRAMA ABOUT OBAMA'S KILLING OFF OF OLD LADIES AND DEATH PANELS IS BUSTED, IT'S EMBARRASINGLY BUSTED. WAY BEFORE OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT THIS NICE REPUBLICAN WAS OUT THERE PIONEERING & PUSHING ADVANCE CARE PLANNING.

LOL! LOL! LOL! EGG ON YOUR FACES BETSY MCCAUGHEY, JOHN BOEHNER, SARAH PALIN AND THE ENTIRE CONSERVATIVE RIGHT-WING COALITION OF INSURANCE LOBBYISTS CURRENTLY OUT THERE SELLING THIS LIE....HA HA.

Posted by: TruthFairy | August 10, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Iamweaver. There will be cost containment not only for people who have a need for targeted chemo but for all sorts of things-if you needed a transplant, if you needed plastic surgery, etc... My health care plan does cover targeted chemo. You are placing too much stock on the health care reform that is being put in front of the American public by a group of people who stand to profit through various networks and not use the system.

Posted by: Tinker4 | August 10, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Insecure people often blab things straight out without thinking what they are saying.....but wait...why did she bring her child into it???? I thought she was against bringing her family to the forefront of the media. And if all the dire threats do not happen....will these people (GOP, Limbaugh, Beck, and Palin) admit that they made a mistake......You betcha NOT!

Posted by: esg719 | August 10, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

I love it! Every time one of you condemns Sarah in your usual malicious, vile, inhumane style, you add a dozen people to her ever-growing list of devotees. Upon scanning all of the above, I guess she's added several hundred folk to her list. She was right on cap and tax (July 14 Post op-ed), and she's right on health care. But I don't expect you to agree. All you "listen" to are the dem-lib soundbites that tell you NADA about Sarah Palin, or her views. I can't wait until 2012. By the way, did you see where, in just 5 months, Palin gained 19 (!!) points in a head-to-head with Obama for '12, according to polls taken in February and last week? Have fun, guys and gals!

Posted by: palinin2012 | August 10, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

If ANYBODY knows that there is an UNHOLY different set of rules for Republicans ... and that this REPROBATE CONGRESS will stoop to any level to keep people from exercising their rights when it is convenient for them ... SARAH PALIN DOES ! ... Dems didn't call it UN AMERICAN when a homosexual slapped an old woman after the people in Calif voted against same sex marriage...DEMS didn't call it an Un American mob when their THUGS went into Republican campaign offices and tore things up... It was ok. for Black Panthers to intimidate voters....UNION MEMBERS CAN SHUT PEOPLE OUT OF TOWN HALL MEETINGS ... Clinton can do the wild thing under the oval office desk... Obama can surround himself with home grown terrorists ... and DEMS can MAKE UP anything and call PALIN stupid? Obama never worked a day at a real job. His qualification to be president is that he is BLACK ,UN-AMERICAN, SON OF A GOAT HERDER, COMMUNITY ORGANIZER ! And if anyone contests it they're " rrrRACISTS" ....And as long as the SERVILE MEDIA could keep all eyes on the cost of Palins wardrobe and her children ...HE QUALIFIES ...and LIBIDIOTS want to call PALIN stupid ? hahahaha

Posted by: noHUCKABEEnoVOTE | August 10, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

I love it! Every time one of you condemns Sarah in your usual malicious, vile, inhumane style, you add a dozen people to her ever-growing list of devotees. Upon scanning all of the above, I guess she's added several hundred folk to her list. She was right on cap and tax (July 14 Post op-ed), and she's right on health care. But I don't expect you to agree. All you "listen" to are the dem-lib soundbites that tell you NADA about Sarah Palin, or her views. I can't wait until 2012. By the way, did you see where, in just 5 months, Palin gained 19 (!!) points in a head-to-head with Obama for '12, according to polls taken in February and last week? Have fun, guys and gals!

Posted by: palinin2012 | August 10, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

JRM2, I did not accuse you of lying, but I certainly did assume that you personalized someone else's misery to make your point without really knowing the facts. For that I do apologize.

Unfortunately, if you follow the healthcare debate you will see that being done far too often. Grab a few snippets off the web and call them facts if they support a personal viewpoint. What the heck, people will believe anything on the web.

Unfortunately I do know how citical illnesses affect familes. My wife survived her cancer, our son did not. He was sick less than a month and spent only 10 days in the hospital, the last 5 at Columbia Presbyterian. They weren't even able to diagnose the problem because the cancer attacked his liver and his blood wouldn't clot. We found out the cause (histiocytic sarcoma) in the autopsy. Wouldn't have mattered if they did, in advanced stages it isn't treatable. But at least we were able to do all we could. Not everbody has that option.

For every Neome Holdren there are thousands that no one other than family and friends ever knows or cares about. Thousands for whom a better hospital or a second opinion isn't an option. I was not one of those people and can't even imagine how I might have dealt with it if I was.

All we are getting from congress in this healthcare debate - from both parties - is band-aids and promises from people who have their health and their health insurance. Our healthcare system is broken and it needs to be fixed. We expect to have to bury our parents but not our children. No parent should ever have to do that.


And you, lostinthemiddle, so quick to pass judgement, twice no less. Shouldn't you be over at Fox?

Posted by: oldster | August 10, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Palin throws a rock, breaking a window, and she then proceeds to feign innocence and lecture everyone else to play nice, lest they get blamed for any broken windows.

Posted by: labman57 | August 10, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I voted for Bill Clinton twice but I remember him, during the Florida primary, accusing Paul Tsongas of wanting to dismember Social Security. It was an ugly and unfair accusation. It wasn't, though, much different than what Democrats have said for decades about Republican candidates even when it was obviously not true.
So, if Obama and Democrats don't like distortions and fear tactics, perhaps they'll cool it the next time a Republican offers a plan for "saving" social security.

Posted by: midiexpress2x2 | August 10, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

palinin2012,
So what you're saying is that Palin and her devotees are like a hydra, attack one and 12 more grow? So what you are saying is that Palin cannot be defeated, like the hydra, only get stronger. How interesting. You do realize the hydra was evil and guarded the golden fleece, an item that provided happiness and prosperity to the nation that owned it. So, what you're saying is that Palin is an evil working to prevent America from obtaining health care for all, preventing prosperity and happiness.

Understand this, no one wants Palin to run for president in 2012 more than democrats. But it will only show how sorry the republican party has become, a party I use to vote for when its members cared for America, its future and its prosperity. Like the hydra Palin will be defeated. She's already quit as governor because it wasn't fun anymore. Once she is peppered with questions on her "death panel" statements and can't defend them she'll most likely run away from that too. You never know where the hydra will be next. Nice metaphor.

Posted by: Fate1 | August 10, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Now what is Gingrich going to do? He backed up her claim of a death panel.

A death panel to kill Granny. Can you even freaking believe that there are any Americans dumb enough to believe such a thing?

The only restraint that Palin needs is a straight jacket.

Posted by: NotNowMooky | August 10, 2009 8:36 PM

I think she mistakes stream of consciousness-type writing for insight, personally. So what she really needs is a mental braking system.

Posted by: Skowronek | August 10, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

You just have to love it, you have these people accusing others over what right do they have to claim they know what Palin is thinking (G-d forbid anyone would want to try!). What makes these accusers think they know her thinking and intent any better than anyone else? Are they a personal, lifelong friend? Are they Meg Stapleton? Did they go to Wasilla High with her? Their opinion is every bit as much conjecture as they accuse others of.

I didn't vote for Clinton either time, nor his Republican opponents, nor Ross Peroit. I did vote however. And if the Republicans ever offered a workable plan to save Social Security, I must have missed it. If the past year hasn't proven the folly of their "solution", I don't know what else would. I might add the Democrats haven't been any more successful overall.

And for all those Canadians flocking over the boarder for the superior medical care, you might want to take a look at how many American citizens go to Canada for their superior procedures and care. But that would mean being honest and considering both sides of the issue and we all know that wouldn't be correct in this polarized society we have created.

I will echo and expand upon the comments of others, walk in the person's shoes who doesn't have, cannot afford or cannot get health insurance for a year, then come back to the debate about health coverage for all Americas. You just might find your opinion has changed. And G-d forbid you should have a serious illness during that year.

You might also do a bit of research about Palin's family coverage, at the very least they are covered by, guess what, socialized medicine. Since Todd Palin qualifies as an Alaska native, he and his family are guaranteed health care through a program for native Alaskans administered by the Bureau of Indian Affairs. But you Palin fans know her so well. Yup, got a bridge to sell you, you betcha!

Posted by: wes1155 | August 10, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Bubbette1 wrote:
"The author of this piece of drivel is a stooge, an idiot or both."
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Seriously, Bubbette, no need to sign your statement. The Post does that automatically at the end of your post.

Posted by: lincolnhunt | August 10, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

That is the last straw! Sarah just shut the you know what up! I am fed up with your insanity, you are a liar.

I wish the media would just stop taling about you! Go away!

Posted by: sandnsmith | August 10, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

palin2012 wrote:
"I can't wait until 2012. By the way, did you see where, in just 5 months, Palin gained 19 (!!) points in a head-to-head with Obama for '12, according to polls taken in February and last week?"
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I will SO take that bet. $10,000 right now that Palin doesn't win the presidency in 2012. I cannot think of an easier double-up than that. Just let me know.

Posted by: lincolnhunt | August 10, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Why? Why do so many WaPo writers keep filling up space with meaningless 'stuff' about a tiara-wearing veteran of the beauty contest circuit who's been told most of her life 'it's all about you, honey'. And, obviously, she believes it. So, when gubernatorial duties conflicted with her campaign of self-promotion, she quit. And, outside of 'The Beltway', who cares? If Republicans think this one-time runway princess is the savior of their party, then the GOP is truly in tatters. And it will be my great pleasure to continue to eviscerate this foul-mouthed gaggle of fear mongers in each and every election for as long as I can.

Posted by: ctenwith | August 10, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Same old story. Downright evil Sarah spreads more lies and then her PR people have to issue a follow up statement in her name.

Posted by: JoeNTx | August 10, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Wait. What? Who is ghostwriting for Palin? It's like she doesn't even know what she has said from one day to the next. She has become incoherent. I really wish the press would just ignore her. Nothing that comes from her mouth is worthy of quoting.

Posted by: FactChecker1 | August 10, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

All one can say about Palin is that we can all be thankful she is not our vice-president. One day she claims the President's death squads will euthanize her son and parents, and calls their plan "evil" and the next she calling for restraint. I guess that is what you could expect from her. Running for Vice-president she claimed what a great governor she was, and a few months later she quits her job as Governor and walks out on her job.

Posted by: rclab | August 11, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans have to be hard up to listen to "Palin" I thought Limbaugh was the kook of the party ? Their ship is sinking, they have no intelligent life left.

Posted by: wasaUFO | August 11, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Tinker4, you confuse me. Let me try again.

Your current health care plan covers procedures that are not required by current health care legislation. The proposed health care requirements for experimental procedures remains the same.

From this, you deduce that your current health care plan will change... why? It's already offering services above and beyond those required.

Posted by: iamweaver | August 11, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

"alexgfoley" posted: "The idea that Sarah Palin could have read or understood the various health care reform proposals being discussed on Capitol Hill is ludicrous. This woman doesn't even read the newpapers. What's more, her willful ignorance is one of the things her fans find so appealing, because they can identify with it."

How VERY true, Mr. Foley! Sarah is so transparent and simple to figure out! I do believe you have hit the nail on the head:

Her "fans" DO identify with her ignorance.

THEY don't read the papers or watch the news either! Anyone intelligent enough to understand and follow the issues is NOT a Sarah groupie!


Posted by: Maerzie | August 11, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Palin is "needlessly sensationalizing" and merely "distorting" the debate about health care? Who does Stephen Stromberg think he's kidding? Palin blatantly lied about the health care "debate" and poured gasoline on the fire created by her fellow right-wing radical loonies. There's nothing in any bill which is anywhere close to whatever Palin was talking about. I can't believe the Washington Post or anyone with half a brain cell can any longer take seriously anything she says. She's either completely deluded and ignorant or she's a sociopathic demagogue who will say absolutely anything.

Posted by: ejs2 | August 11, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

I have to chuckle every time I read about those poor Canadians flocking to the US for treatments. Do you believe in the monsters under your bed, too?

Bring to the table real evidence of this, and I might listen.

The only study ever done on this (done in Canada, by the way) shows a tiny number of Canadians coming to the US for treatment - 90 out of 18,000. See http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/content/full/21/3/19

Compare that with the number of Americans who go outside the US for treatment - a similar number, if not more. All of which proves... nothing.

Posted by: iamweaver | August 11, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Oh, this is ridiculous. Obama and the Democrats are going to kill the handicapped? That's news to me.
Democrats CREATED Medicare. Medicaid and Social Security, programs Trig Palin is eligible for right now.
If it weren't for Democrats, their wouldn't BE any humane or ethical care for the handicapped.
Can someone explain to me why we are having this ridiculous "debate"? Let me guess. Because Rush Limbaugh. Sarah Palin and Glen Beck are making stuff up again.

Posted by: kay5 | August 11, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

For those talking about the horrors of cost containment - the new bill actually INCREASES the Medical Loss Ration from its current state! What's more, it will be regulated - hopefully eliminating the frankly *stupid* impact it has on stock earnings.

Posted by: iamweaver | August 11, 2009 12:39 AM | Report abuse

A former Vice Presidential candidate said the President wants to KILL her infant.
Is she serious? How do Republicans get away with this stuff?

Posted by: kay5 | August 11, 2009 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is hopeless.

Posted by: filc | August 11, 2009 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Grandma Palin is off her rocker.

Posted by: BillBali | August 11, 2009 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Palin launched herself onto the public stage a week after officially quitting her job as governor by trying to follow the Chicken Little Party's zero tolerance for facts with an an error riddled fear smear. The very next day Factcheck.com said she was lying.
When the legislation passes the Chicken Little Party would do itself well with a Limbotomy and a Palinectomy.

Posted by: jb5674 | August 11, 2009 2:44 AM | Report abuse

Out of respect for the working class I didn't mention Glenn Beck. He used to mow Rupert Murdochs yard and I admire a guy who can pull himself up by the bootstraps.

Posted by: jb5674 | August 11, 2009 2:49 AM | Report abuse

It is mind boggling to see the number of people paying attention to an barely educated school girl.

Posted by: pattr1 | August 11, 2009 3:18 AM | Report abuse

Stromberg - you and your Anti-Palin Nutcases just don't get it!
You try to make attending Town Meetings (democracy in action)a bad thing - making *Town-hallers* a perjorative term!
The Silent Majority is fed up - and they're not going to take it anymore!
If town meetingw don't go the way the liberals want - they try to shut it down. Even to the point of sending in the SEIU Goons!!
That was smart!!
Pelosi calls town hall dissenters Un-American!?!?!
The White House initiates a Snitch List ?!!?
The Senate *Ethics* Committee decides Dodd did nothing wrong?!!?
Rangel and Geithner are allowed to take liberties with their Income Taxes?!?!?
If the Healthcare plan is so good - why are the congress people not clamoring for it!?!?
If the Healthcare Plan is so clear - why can't the president explain it?!?!

Posted by: thornegp1 | August 11, 2009 3:31 AM | Report abuse

this person is white trash, history, ignore the friday blab.

Posted by: Paul2 | August 11, 2009 3:54 AM | Report abuse

Oh please. She didn't have the sense, decency or political skill to gain control of her own crowds on the campaign trail when they got out of hand and were calling Senator Obama a "terrorist" and shouting "kill him". All of a sudden she is calling for restraint? No. Her handlers are telling her to walk back her statement. Roll the Thanksgiving turkey slaughter tape, please. That truly represents her awareness and involvement in the world around her. Zero. Her only involvement is with a mirror.

Posted by: mawheelz | August 11, 2009 4:13 AM | Report abuse

The most ironic aspect of these town hall meetings is that the elected officials still naively believe that those who rudely interrupt the proceedings with shouted questions are actually interested in anything that the presenter has to say.

They need to set some ground rules on acceptable conduct before they even begin:
- interrupt someone else, and you will be kicked out
- scream and shout over the presenter's answers, and you're out
- start chanting to prevent anyone from speaking, and you're out

Sure they'll kick and scream and cry about their rights being denied, but let them do their ranting outside and not impede progress inside the building.

Posted by: labman57 | August 11, 2009 4:24 AM | Report abuse

Palin is more interested in keeping her name in the press by spewing her typical fear-inciting hyperbole than she is in contributing any meaningful, substantive input to a serious, rational discussion on health care reform legislation.

And now that she has been rightfully reamed for her stupid remarks, she has issued the following attempt at revisionist reality: "... Let's not give the proponents of nationalized health care any reason to criticize us".

Sorry, Sarah. That ship sailed away a long time ago.

On a separate note, for someone who claims that she wants to maintain her children's privacy and keep them out of the political spotlight, Palin sure has a knack for making her family the focal point of controversial political statements.

Stupid is as stupid says (on Twitter or Facebook).

Posted by: labman57 | August 11, 2009 4:29 AM | Report abuse

Oh, great.

She willfully repeats (and amplifies) outright LIES about the proposed health care program, steps back and admires her work as people are fired up by her words to enraged mayhem, and then sanctimoniously says, "Now children, let's not get worked up; it makes us look bad."

There are NO redeeming features to this woman. She is an irresponsible, manipulative sower of discord.

Posted by: herzliebster | August 11, 2009 4:48 AM | Report abuse

This woman is a disgrace to your country. She is more dangerous to the collective mental health of your country than many others, most of them who appear on wanted-posters. Watching this debate in the US reminds me of dark dark times in central Europe: Scapegoatism, completely false and preposterous allegations, red-headed yellers ranting about subjects they do not know a thing of - all fueled by a powerful few, directing all the anger and, yes, hate to their sole benefit. It is grotesque to see senior citizens ranting about "socialzed medicine", with their Medicare-card dangling from their necks. Mrs Palin, shame on you! To (ab)use your own child - YET ONE MORE TIME - for your lousy political gain shows that you are not a grown up, caring parent. For you, the end justifies the means. That sick and inhumane world view of medievial ages was abandoned by the enlightened society. You seem to chosse not to be part of it.

Posted by: HankS2 | August 11, 2009 5:12 AM | Report abuse

you lib-tards are too funny. Sarah Palin sure has you worked up and she isn't even in office anymore. Why do you all suppose that is? She would be running the country a lot better than obozo the clown and you know it. Worries you socialists of the democrat party, doesn't it?

Posted by: charlietuna666 | August 11, 2009 6:20 AM | Report abuse

It has been shown that Sarah Palin is an idiot. Now, she has been shown to be a quitter. Why does the media even give her the time of day? Are Americans now celebrating stupid quitters as something to be achieved? "Hey, mom, I want to be like Sarah Palin. Someone who can read a teleprompter, but cannot give a coherent answer when asked a question. Then, quits her job. And people will still respect my opinion and give me money." America, land of the stupid.

Posted by: fishman2 | August 11, 2009 6:23 AM | Report abuse

TO KATAVO Im an independent and I dont feel the same way!! No one knows the final bill yet but what I have heard is disturbing, and NOT the change America voted for.

Posted by: dad15 | August 11, 2009 7:13 AM | Report abuse

Glad to see that Palin is capable of the occasional rational comment. Of course, it comes with the usual ideological baggage - she doesn't want to give the opposition ammunition - but it's a start.

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | August 11, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

LOL. As if bashing Palin was going to convince Americans to support the health care reform. The tin ear of the left on this matter is laughable.

Posted by: bobmoses | August 11, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Thank you John McCain, thank you! If not for you we would neer have been able to enjoy Caribou Barbie's unique brand of comedy.

Posted by: scarhill2000 | August 11, 2009 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Please: Will the Washington Post stop devoting space to anything Former Governor Sarah Palin says or writes?

She is a washed-up quitter whose 15 minutes has long-since expired. Do not keep giving her a free platform for her wacky right-wing rants.

And that, I truly hope, will be the last comment I have to make about this loser. Let's collectively just forget about her!

Posted by: PeterIII | August 11, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

BobMoses writes:
"LOL. As if bashing Palin was going to convince Americans to support the health care reform. The tin ear of the left on this matter is laughable."
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The thrust of this article was aimed at partisanship, regardless of the subject under question. I see no attempt in the Author's post to convince anyone anything about the bill under question, which is hardly surprising, since it's not the point of the article.

Posted by: iamweaver | August 11, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

"Palin stands for the dignity of the person as such and not to the value of that individual to society which is the Communist and Fascist norm from which socialism borrows. That's the essence of the argument which gave us the Declaration of Independence and its famous 35-word description of human, personal dignity"

Your point would have a lot more validity if Palin had been willing to support the basic equality and personal dignity of gay people.

But she wasn't.

Posted by: Hillman1 | August 11, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

She is a really sick woman and needs to get some professional help. She is leading the screaming mob one minute and saying outrages stupid things and then calling for restraint the next. I don't know how many personalities this woman has, but I don't like any of them.

Posted by: sux123 | August 11, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Like Leni Riefenstahl, Frau Palin understands the need of the conservative elites to use a hypnotized mass of thugs to promote their agenda. Look at how she ran her rallies last year...

Posted by: braultrl | August 11, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is one of the few logical voices I've heard. The democrats don't want anyone to actually read what's in the health care bill. They haven't even read it themselves! The people at the town hall meetings aren't just "angry mobs", they are very concerned citizens who don't want the government screwing around with their health care. These people have to shout to be heard because the stupid liberal democrats don't want to hear what these people are saying. To a democrat, if you don't agree with them, then you really shouldn't be talking. Obama is an idiot along with Pelosi and Reid who think that more government control of our lives is the answer. Well, I for one strongly disagree with that! And I am sure Sarah Palin agrees with me and from the polls I'm reading, about 67% of America is agreeing with me too. Less government is the answer. Keep the government out of our lives and we'll be better off. The government usually screws up whatever it gets involved in so keep it the heck away from me and my family's health care!

Posted by: alsmith1 | August 11, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

I am an independent. But, this seems to me about the first time that conservative individuals have actually spoken out so much as the left has been doing for years. Disrupting meetings has been standard fare for the left for years. That is a fact.

Posted by: jack71 | August 11, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

On one level I wish Palin were able to take her own advice and refrain from making this steady stream of inflammatory and untrue statements. On the other hand, being a drama queen she won't be able to do that.

She's a poster child for "projective identification" = aggressively and manipulatively attributing to "the other" the very fault she is exhibiting herself.

Posted by: jochebed | August 11, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

GeorgeJ,
Whos words are full of wisdom? Perhaps you mean Jefferson's in the Declaration... Granted, but, in the context of its time that noble document was simply political spin justifying its cause. Better done than much of todays spin I'll also grant, but, unless you think Sarah was arguing we should remain free from the British crown I'm not sure I see the relevance.

Posted by: mini1071 | August 11, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

"Sarah Palin has all the tongues wagging. One year ago nobody ever heard of Sarah Palin, now everybody is expert on her, her family,her belief system. You know about as much about her as the man you elected President, litle or nothing. This inexperienced politician, community organizer is going to reform the nation in the shape David Axelrod and Rham Emanuel design."

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I know enough to know that if it takes my last breath I will do everything I can to keep that woman from holding political office of any kind - to include dog catcher!

I also know enough about our President to know that he is an honorable and smart man - two things that Palin is NOT - honorable and smart. I read his books to help me to get to know Mr. Obama - did you bother? I'm doubting that you did - why bother to get to know him when you are programed to hate him no matter what.

Posted by: Kathy5 | August 11, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin, Michael Steele, Rush Limbaugh, and others take up far too much ink (or pixels) with their outrageous antics. I wish writers would dismiss them with few words and use more space to talk about more substantial things. Too much attention, even to debunk them, leads to an unfortunate sense that they are important, and they certainly are not.

Posted by: edarden1 | August 11, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Palin fans, but she's nuts. Pure and simple.

Posted by: MNUSA | August 11, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Yes please do keep trashing Palin.

I’m surprised educated posters don’t understand the English language… In case you haven’t figured it out: “Death Panel” is a metaphor for rationing care, as happens in the British state-run system..

The Congressional Budget Office has already trashed the Democratic proposals THREE times as unaffordable and unsustainable.

Who do you think will face rationed healthcare ? Seniors, the very sick, and of course the disabled like Sarah Palin’s daughter Trig.

Yes… “Death panel” is a good clear description of a major pillar of Obamacare. Or should we call it “Death care” ?

Posted by: pvilso24 | August 11, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

to MNUSA: I believe it's just YOUR opinion that Sarah is nuts. That's not actual fact. It's my belief that Obama is an idiot. Based on the fact that he thinks the answer to everything is more government, more taxes. That's just looney as heck! And he wants the goverment to control my healthcare. The government! The government messes up more things that it gets right and he wants the government to manage my healthcare. That's just bat sh&t crazy. The answer is LESS government, not more. Sarah Palin has the right answer. Listen up democrats. Get your head out of your behind and listen to what Sarah is saying. Don't just think you know what she's going to say. Listen to what she's saying. The woman makes perfect sense if you would just LISTEN!

Posted by: alsmith1 | August 11, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Patrick10:

Christians have been lying at least since they concocted the story that Jesus rose from the dead. That was one of the politically effective myths that created a politically powerful minority out of a breakaway Jewish cult. Current lies about health care reform by Palin, Limbaugh, and like-minded fascists pale by comparison with the just-so stories of Paul, Peter, John and the other founding fathers of the Christian cult during their struggles to dominate the movement.

Posted by: douard1 | August 11, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

We live in a world of ignorant freaks. Palin is the Queen Freak.

Posted by: johng1 | August 11, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

PUHLEASE... Palin posted a bald-faced lie on her Facebook page. There's no need to soft pedal it. She's a liar and an idiot that some wanted to be one 72 year old heartbeat away from the presidency. What a horror!


Posted by: CardFan | August 11, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

What a bunch of garbage. Sarah is right, of course. This UNhealthy bill is a mix of crap and dung. You can try to minimize her, call her names, whatever makes you tick, but she will be president some day, and this paper will go bye bye like it should have a long time ago.

Posted by: candyzky | August 11, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

According to a new Rasmussen poll, 57% of Americans oppose the healhcare plan proposed by idiot Obama and his bunch of blowhards.

Posted by: alsmith1 | August 11, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Only 32% of Americans support the UNhealtcare plan supported by idiot Obama.

Posted by: alsmith1 | August 11, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

"Screaming at politicians infantilizes the debate."

"Infantilizes"? Shame on you! You've been wonking too long.

Posted by: joebanks | August 11, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

One more time:
Health care is rationed TODAY! By bureaucrats, who work for the insurance companies, who in many cases have compensation plans directly related to how many procedures they deny.

Health care is rationed TODAY! By insurance companies who refuse to sell Americans affordable insurance on the slightest excuse of preexisting conditions.

Health care is rationed TODAY! By insurance companies who will rescind the policy you spent lots of money to buy, and rescind it just when you need it most: when you get sick. And use any ginned up excuse that you lied on the application to justify that rescission.

Health care is rationed TODAY! By the fact that 47 million people have NO HEALTH CARE at all, short of what they can get at the emergency room.

'Government run health care' exists TODAY! For Medicaid, Medicare, and the VA system. Let's take a poll, and ask if people would opt in to the VA system, while paying premiums equal to what their employers pay for them today. Large employers, not the poor little guys who get screwed by the insurance companies just like individuals do.

Posted by: WarriorGrrl | August 11, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin should tell us where she is able to purchase private health insurance for her family, which includes a special needs child, that is affordable for her and Todd. Unless she refuses to accept socialized medicine from a plan paid for by the state of Alaska, and goes on the private market, she has no insight into what 'real Americans' have to face in this economy.

Posted by: WarriorGrrl | August 11, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

AlSMith writes:
"he wants the goverment to control my healthcare. The government! The government messes up more things that it gets right and he wants the government to manage my healthcare. That's just bat sh&t crazy."
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The government already has health care regulations on the books. This legislation (H.R.3200) is an attempt to prevent health care companies from ripping off the consumer even more. H.R.676 is an entirely voluntary program that, if it passes, offers a government-managed ALTERNATIVE to your current healthcare plan.

Less government is only good when other systems can take its place in an efficient manner. And the free market system, despite its strengths is completely moral-neutral.

If you read the bill, you might find some of its sections especially useful - particularly those involving the elimination of non-fraud rescission and maximization of Medical Loss Ratios.

Posted by: iamweaver | August 11, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone believe she's read the proposal, much less the "fine print?"

Posted by: turnbuckle70 | August 11, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

What's the difference between "distorts and lie"? Absolutely none. She lied and it should not be sugar coated.

Posted by: rlj1 | August 11, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Palin's camp has cited the section of the proposed legislation on which she based her claim of "death panel" and euthanasia of elderly and disabled people.

That section allows for Medicare reimbursement once every five years for physician counseling about end of life choices -- health care power of attorney, hospice care, and ues of extraordinary measures -- on a voluntary basis as requested by the patient.

That's it!

Of course, one choice one has if using these documents is to specify that extraordinary measures are to be taken and the patient kept alive at all costs in every situation.

The antithesis of euthanasia.

Given that one reason for opposing reform is the belief that reform will cost more, it seems odd that a voluntary action, that many people already choose, having the potential to save billions of dollars is attacked on such false and specious grounds.

And, for those so conscious of costs, the fact that private insurance has an administrative load factor of about 30% versus the 3% administrative cost of medicare, VA, and military plans should be of interest, in a rational world.

It is sad to see people whipped up into a frenzy of fear and illogic to further someone or some entity's financial goal that is inconsistent with their own best interests.

When a rallying cry is "Keep the government's hands off my Medicare!" you know sanity has fled the room.

Posted by: ponderer | August 11, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

You yapping, yelling, ranting "insured" people: Please read Warrior Grrl's comment from 9.44 a.m. and then come up with a counter-argument. S/he is dead on. Don't you people get it? U think the Kaiser Permanentes of the world are out to help you and treat you in a fair and correct way? Think again. They pay employees to DENY your claims! The more these people in phonebooths take away from YOU - the more money THEY make. Now guess what's gonna happen. Hello!!!!! WAKE UP!

Posted by: HankS2 | August 11, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I don't think any of you need to throw medicare and medicaid in my face as an example of how well the government runs something! PUHLEEZE is right! Medicare and medicaid!! Give me a freakin' break. Two of the worst run and most expensive government programs out there. Denying to pay for medicines my parents need because they are too expensive. Denying to pay for procedures my parents need because they are too expensive. Yeah, this is what I want! NOT!!! Give some of our friends in Canada, Great Britian, and Austrailia a call and see how they like their government run health care. The vast majority of the people in those countries hate it and think it needs an overhaul immediately. And why do you think that is?! Because it's run by the government and the government can't do anything better than private industry, that's why! You liberal democrats are so blinded by your love of government and your hatred of anything conservative that you just can't see this for what it really is. I'm not saying I love insurance comanies. But I dang sure don't love the idea of the federal government telling me what medical procedure I can and can not have and when I can and can not have it. This health care bill IS NOT about insurance companies. That's what that idiot Obama and his blowhard minions want you to believe. It's about your healthcare and your access to it. Obama realized that most of America didn't like the fact that he was trying to fool with their relationship with their doctors, so he changed the rhetoric to include insurance companies to fool the American people and it's working. For some anyway. Not working on me.

Posted by: alsmith1 | August 11, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Somebody is backstage and putting the reins on Palin's ridiculous off-the-cuff remarks and is now writing speeches and twitters for her that could be considered sensible.

I don't believe for one minute that she has read the bill. But we can count on hearing from her or her speech-writer every week or so - she's baaaaaaack!

Posted by: Utahreb | August 11, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Thank God Sarah is back! Sarah Palin for President in 2012!

Posted by: alsmith1 | August 11, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Health care is already "rationed". It is only for those with "good" insurance, that which doctors will accept. Office staff
in a physician's office will tell a patient, in a heartbeat, that they do not accept a health insurance policy. They are
right in not wishing to accept an insurance policy that will not pay and that is the crux of the matter.
Hence, ordinary every day health care is neglected and greater more costly problems arise. The poor and uninsured, or insured with a policy that doctors won't accept, then have to seek emergency room care when emergencies arise. Those who once ordered meds from Canada or drove to Mexico for lower cost meds are no longer able to do so. The wealthy and those with good insurance plans seem to have no empathy for those less fortunate, and that's a shame. Better health care means less lost work-time, fewer unpaid emergency room visits, better school attendance and performance by children. In the long run,
better health care means healthier citizens. The fact that so many are destroying their own health by drug, tobacco, alcohol, and unhealthy eating calls for more and better health education,
through schools and every facet of society capable of educating AND enforcing laws concerning drug abuse. We need better
health care, but we also need the public to do that which each of us can do to
have and maintain better health.
Too much GARBAGE is a contributing factor to the demise of Americana, whether it be that which we eat and drink, or that which is littering most of the USA.

Posted by: hbryan1 | August 11, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

If I believed the government was actually planning to kill Down's syndrome children, as Palin has said it is, I would take every legal action I could to stop it. Disrupting town halls is a reasonable, even restrained, response to such an outrageous action by our government. So her call for restraint reflects her disbelief in her own statement: it was just a lie, intended to scare, don't take it seriously. She piles lie upon lie, and expects us to give her a pass because she's pretty.
I am waiting for a single Republican of national stature to separate themselves from this demagogue.

Posted by: jonawebb | August 11, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

AlSmith1 writes:
"This health care bill IS NOT about insurance companies. That's what that idiot Obama and his blowhard minions want you to believe."
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Unfortunately for you, it's also what's written into the bill. Go ahead - read it yourself. It's not hard to find, and once you get past the legalese, its major points are quite self evident. I recommend you keep on hand the overview as you read through it, to see how the parts fit together.

http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3200:

In fact - just look at the skeleton outline to see how much of the bill is specifically aimed at how insurance policies are built.

Posted by: iamweaver | August 11, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Palin is so nutty that she makes the house of representatives look like a body of thoughtful and reflective statesmen.

Posted by: dfolk1 | August 11, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

You actually believe the government is going to help those poor pitiful underinsured get better health care? Yeah, and I've got some oceanfront property in Arizona I want to sell you. And just who do you think is going to pay for all this health care? You and me. And just why should I work and pay for someone else's healthcare when they're not willing to work and pay for it themselves? And don't give me that song and dance about the poor, poor pititful sick person that can't help themselves and only need a helping hand. There are already government programs in place to help them. The people that I would be working to support are the ones that decided not to take out an insurance policy because they are young and healthy and they wanted a cell phone and an ipod and a big screen TV instead of having to pay insurance premiums. You say there are 47 million Americans without insurance? How many of those are the ones I just mentioned? More than half I would bet. I don't feel any responsibility to pay for those people that won't help themselves. If you'll check your facts, you'll see that Republicans, of which I am proud to be one, are the biggest givers to charity (not democrats), so I give my fair share to those less fortunate. But I am not going to work my tail off for those that won't help themselves and there are plenty of those out there. Just want somebody else to take care of them. They think the government exists just to take care of them. That's why we are already taxed to death and if that idiot Obama has his way, we'll be taxed to the point that there won't be any point of going to work anymore. I'll just stay home and live off the government like the rest of the leeches.

Posted by: alsmith1 | August 11, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Can't we PUHLEZE stop giving this Soccar Mom attention when there are clearly much more serious matters that need the attention? Please.

Posted by: peep1935 | August 11, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

To peep1935: if you don't have anything to say, shutup and stay out of the conversation! And she's a hockey mom, not a soccer mom!

Posted by: alsmith1 | August 11, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"Indeed, the fact that even Palin is taking such an unambiguous stand against the town-hall tactics should be taken of an indication of just how senseless they are."

I agree that the Republican town-hall tactics are senseless and actually shameful. I also agree that whenever Palin speaks for or against anything she demonstrates senselessness. She should take the same stance on speaking on any public issues as she took on the governorship, she should quit.

Posted by: rclab | August 11, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

alsmith, you refer to dems as blowhard minions without offering any evidence as to why you FEEL this way. News flash, your FEELINGS aren't fact and as stupid as I might find them, you are certainly entitiled to them. Here's a fact: people here in Canada might complain about our universal healthcare, then we look at what is happening in your country, and am thankful that we don't have to sell our house to pay for breast cancer treatment. Or thankful that we don't get refused treatment for "preexisting conditions". Thankful that waste and fraud are so much less in our government run and regulated healthcare, unlike yours. For $72 a month we are covered extensively, the price of 12 to 15 cups of java from Starbucks. So you go right ahead and keep frothing at the mouth and spewing untruths; if that's what makes you feel better, since going to a doctor is financially unfeasible.

Posted by: katem1 | August 11, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Once again Sarah Palin shows how right we were to not elect a GOP president. On the one hand she demonizes the President and uses inflammatory language to whip up the ignorant GOP base. The next day she issues calls for restraint. She throws her Downs' child into the fray and then demonizes the press for commenting on her children. Sarah os one sick puppy and I hope Glen Beck gives her some wine (whine) in the near future.

Posted by: Freethotlib | August 11, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

alsmith writes...

Sarah Palin is one of the few logical voices I've heard.
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Logic has it's foundation in truth. There is no "Death Panel" in the bill. She said there was...with the intent to inflame.

alsmith continues...
Less government is the answer. Keep the government out of our lives and we'll be better off. The government usually screws up whatever it gets involved in so keep it the heck away from me and my family's health care!

Large businesses are a form of government. Unlike the government there is no redress of grievances. Tell a bank you don't like their fees. Tell the oil company you don't like high gas prices. The market works but when an industry is the market it doesnt work.
Like Palin did, George Bush uses inflammatory language so we could spend a trillion dollars in the wrong country. 60% of bankruptcies are due to health issues. Those are facts. I encourage you to start your thinking process based on Truth. Agenda and emotion together are the foundations of chaos.

Posted by: jb5674 | August 11, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Can't we just declare Sarah Palin brain dead and pull the plug?

Posted by: TheProFromDover | August 11, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Well, there you go. I guess ya'll told me, huh?!

Liberals I truly feel sorry for you. I guess I'll go back to reading and writing where they tell the truth and base it on facts - Fox News. Which is BTW, the most watched news station in this country!!!! And the person from Canada can certainly stay there, I love the good old USA, even with all our problems we're better than any other county on the planet. And the next time there's a disaster somewhere in the world, let them call Canada for assistance!

Posted by: alsmith1 | August 11, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I am far more likely to believe anything Sarah Palin says that what Obama reads off his teleprompter. I am also far more likely to believe what Sarah Palin says than what I read in the Washington Post.

By the way, how are those "salons" going?

Posted by: hill_marty | August 11, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

First thing: Has anyone considered that whenever you read something like this from Palin that she DID NOT WRITE IT. Syntax people. Grammar. She did not write this - her peeps did.

What she said is what you get.

"There are many disturbing details in the current bill that Washington is trying to rush through Congress, but we must stick to a discussion of the issues and not get sidetracked by tactics that can be accused of leading to intimidation or harassment," Palin wrote. "Such tactics diminish our nation’s civil discourse which we need now more than ever because the fine print in this outrageous health care proposal must be understood clearly and not get lost in conscientious voters’ passion to want to make elected officials hear what we are saying. Let’s not give the proponents of nationalized health care any reason to criticize us."

Posted by: UnitedAmerica1 | August 11, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

alsmith at 9:15a
Based on the fact that he thinks the answer to everything is more government, more taxes.

You're saying that it is a fact that Obama thinks the answer to everything is more government...That would be a lie because your statement cannot be proven. (You said it was a fact.)

And he wants the goverment to control my healthcare...

Give a detailed explanation of your statement. Please use facts (Truth).

alsmith...
Listen to what she's saying. The woman makes perfect sense if you would just LISTEN!

We listened to her on Friday and she lied about a death panel and used her son as an emotional tool to convince the weak minded.
Go to factcheck.com for proof. (Truth)

We listened to her 2 days later when she completely reversed course...her quote

"we must stick to a discussion of the issues and not get sidetracked by tactics that can be accused of leading to intimidation or harassment"

Those are opposing thoughts from one mind in a span of 3 days.

You will have a much more enjoyable life if you don't believe anything you hear and only believe half of what you see.

Posted by: jb5674 | August 11, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I hope journalists would stop writing about her. Then she might go away!

Posted by: johnbear1 | August 11, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Mrs. Palin represents many American women who are not well educated, not self educated and not well read. My observation is that quite a few men thing she is cute- she does have a little zip in her zap! She appears to do the "working wife and mother thing" quite well. And, she is clever!

Posted by: judithclaire1939 | August 11, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I guess Gov. Palin got her moment of attention with her screed and now will act responsible and resonable. Hasn't anyone figured out this is the m.o. of these type of shock jock talking head cum entertainers? Now nothing she says would I listen too.

Posted by: kchses1 | August 11, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

You are naive if you believe that Palin didn't relish the behavior of the town hallers. She simply realized how absurd her death squad statement had been and tried to redeem herself from her innate stupidity.

Posted by: dbl06 | August 11, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Sarah who?

Posted by: jckdoors | August 11, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"Such tactics diminish our nation’s civil discourse which we need now more than ever ". There is no possibility that that woman could have written those words. Diminish is too big a word for that bozo.

Posted by: mtravali | August 11, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

alsmith...

You would be wise to look at all the polls.
Rasmussen is the pollster of choice for Matt Drudge. During the election Rasmussen had ridiculous numbers favoring McCain compared to the other 5 polls.

Latest Gallup poll...
The poll of 3,026 adults, surveyed Friday through Sunday, has a margin of error of +/—2 percentage points. Some questions, asked of half the sample, have an error margin of +/—3 points.

By 56%-33%, those surveyed endorse the idea of enacting major health care changes this year. Just one in four say it's not important to them.

Posted by: jb5674 | August 11, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

You know good n'darn well Sarah Palin does not have the smarts to have penned that entry on facebook. Diminish, discourse, conscientious, proponents... these are not words that Sarah Palin uses, let alone knows the definitions of!! The far-far-right is still pulling her strings.

Posted by: OHREALLYNOW | August 11, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a "Political Terrorist". Who cares what this civilian has to SAY? By the way she didn't write the facebook comments. Someone else did. She writes like she talks. Nonsense......

Thank you....

Posted by: lindarc | August 11, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a "Political Terrorist". Who cares what this civilian has to SAY? By the way she didn't write the facebook comments. Someone else did. She writes like she talks. Nonsense......

Thank you....

Posted by: lindarc | August 11, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Not Gov. Palin, EX Governor Palin. Palin is a quitter, just ask most Alaskans. But then Palin has an established pattern of quitting.

As for Palin being "cute" or "attractive"? Now these are real solid qualifications to govern. Personally I don't see any of that, I see the ugliness of an evil, unethical narcissist and sociopath. Letterman was right about how Palin looks. It wouldn't be so bad if there was substance behind her supposed "hot" looks, but there isn't. How shallow her devotees are, especially the males among them. Their little brain rules and overrides logic, reason and cognitive thought. I have to agree with someone's previous post, she appeals to the ignorance of her fans, not the intelligence.

Palin's "higher calling" should be as a televangelist. She would fit right in with the likes of Swaggart, Bakker and Falwell, spewing lies and hate in the name of Jesus.

The scary part is the people who lend credence to and willingly believe this narcissistic quitter. They had better hope EAP is part of health care reform because they obviously need it.

Posted by: wes1155 | August 11, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Sarah "The Bimbo" Palin turns out to be quite the little KKK baller.

Is that the best the wacko right wing Republican psychos can to at a meeting supposedly about health care?

Nutzville.


Posted by: lindalovejones | August 11, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Are you sure she didn't wink at the camera when she said that?

It's about Country...and Western.

Yee-haw!

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | August 11, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Sarah Palin should be sent to one of those "free speech zones" that George Bush was so fond of: 18 miles away down County YY behind the dumpster at the 7-11.

Posted by: rbmurals | August 11, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

midieexpress says
I voted for Bill Clinton twice but I remember him, during the Florida primary, accusing Paul Tsongas of wanting to dismember Social Security. It was an ugly and unfair accusation.

Clinton was right. The Republicans wanted to involve Wall Street in Social Security.
Read the following...

1935: 99 percent of Republicans in House and 63 percent in Senate try to kill Social Security by voting to send the bill back to committee.

1939: 75 percent of Republicans in Senate try to kill legislation providing Social Security benefits to dependents and survivors as well as retired workers.

1950: 79 percent of House and 89 percent vote against disability insurance to defeat it.

1956: 86 percent of Republicans in Senate oppose disability insurance; program approved nonetheless

1964: Republican presidential candidate Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan both suggest that Social Security be made voluntary.

1965: 93 percent of Republicans in House and 62 percent in Senate vote to kill Medicare

1977: 58 percent of Senate vote against amendment to provide semiannual increases

1977: 88 percent of Republicans in House and 63 percent in Senate vote against increase in Social Security payroll tax needed to keep system solvent

1981: White House proposes $35 billion in Social Security cuts over the next 5 years. The cuts include the elimination of student benefits, lump-sum death benefits,and a retroactive elimination of the $122 minimum benefit for three million recipients. (Congress ultimately enacted $24 billion of the proposed

cuts.)

1981: Administration begins a wholesale review of the Social Security Disability rolls, resulting in over 560,000 eligibility investigations in 1982- 360,000 more than the year before. Ultimately, at least 106,000 families were removed from the rol1s

1981: 99 percent of Republicans in House and 98 percent in Senate vote for legislation containing $22 billion in Social Security and Medicare cuts

1981: Administration proposes three-­month delay in 1982 cost-of-1iving increases

1981: White House proposes $200 billion in Social Security cuts between 1982 and 1990. The cuts include: reduction in early retirement benefit; tightened disability eligibility standards; delay in the 1982 cost-of-living adjustment and a 10 percent eventual reduction in benefits for all new retirees. (The

U.S. Senate repudiated the President's proposals by a vote of 96 to 0.)

1982: The President and Senate Republicans propose $40 billion in benefit cuts over three fiscal years

1985: Administration backs attempts by Republican Senate leadership to eliminate the 1986 Social Security COLA. Vice President Bush casts the tie-breaking vote to eliminate COLA. (House defeats it – never enacted).

1990’s: Efforts to end Social Security took the form of appealing to younger workers to put “their” Social Security insurance payments into the stock market.

**

Posted by: jb5674 | August 11, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Many in the crowd laughed uproariously when Sen. Benjamin Cardin (DEMOCRUD – MD) said illegal immigrants would not be entitled to coverage under the Democratic plan.

And they jumped to their feet in one of the longest, loudest ovations of the night after an audience member asked why tort reform wasn't a feature of the health care overhaul.

Posted by: hclark1 | August 11, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Let's get this clear: Palin makes an inflammatory untrue pronouncement. Then when others try to truth-squad it, she pontificates that they should "calm down" (is that Alaskan for S-T-F-U?). Guess Sarah likes it "when seldom is heard a discouraging word."

Mavisdarling, your middle-school analogy sounds right on target. Ever seen the movie "Mean Girls"?

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | August 11, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I see we have our usual insightful commentary from hclark1.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | August 11, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Barry is a fascist.
fascistobama . ning . com

Posted by: BarryDingle | August 11, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes I can forgive ignorance if a person makes an attempt to overcome it. However, I cannot forgive intentional stupidity. Sarah Palin continues to ignore facts and proudly, willfully, and deliberately proclaim her stupidity to the world. What is truly distressing is that her lemmings lap it up. To her and her minions stupidity seems to be a badge of honor. Like Ron White says people, "you can't fix stupid".

Posted by: caebling | August 11, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse


"Sarah "The Bimbo" Palin is turning out to be pandering to the extreme wacko right wing Republican psycho nut cases.

Posted by: lindalovejones | August 10, 2009 6:44 PM |"
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Of course she is, isn't she one of them? She always has been, that's why they adore her. She speaks for them, and only them.

Posted by: mtravali | August 11, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

God bless Sarah Palin and President Barak Obama.

We Christians cannot speak evil of dignitaries nor leaders of our people. We bless them we do not curse them. We do not have to approve of their policies, but we do have to refrain from slanderous speeches against anyone.

If you are a Christian, remember this:

"Accuse not a servant unto his master, lest he curse thee, and thou be found guilty." Proverbs 30:10

Posted by: amos3_3 | August 11, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

the writer who posted this
"Instead of facing the essence of Sarah Palin's vital point about Obama's attitude to providing health care based on value, the writer does an ad hominem about hypocrisy that betrays the weakness of his thought. Palin stands for the dignity of the person as such and not to the value of that individual to society which is the Communist and Fascist norm from which socialism borrows." apparently has his blinders on. The gist of the matter is that she throws out these outlandish statements like a 'death panel' and evil and we're supposed to look past that! I don't think so. The next day she throws out a mea culpa, hoping that only her Republican cheerleaders read the first message. She should understand the universiality of the Internet, any and all can read your foul statements.

Posted by: coach777b | August 11, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

God bless Sarah Palin and President Barak Obama.

We Christians cannot speak evil of dignitaries nor leaders of our people. We bless them we do not curse them. We do not have to approve of their policies, but we do have to refrain from slanderous speeches against anyone.

If you are a Christian, remember this:

"Accuse not a servant unto his master, lest he curse thee, and thou be found guilty." Proverbs 30:10

Posted by: amos3_3 | August 11, 2009 4:17 PM
___________________________________________

Palin is neither a dignitary nor leader but a liar. I forgive her.....

Revelation 21:8

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Posted by: lindarc | August 11, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

If one were to ask each confused individual at these so called "tea parties" why they attend you'd get a different answer from each.

Those politicians who attempt to foster democratic debate in town halls need to admit only those who can prove they live in their district.

What we're seeing is retired old white men, angry because they couldn't quite reach that caddy they wanted after retirement and had to settle for mercury or ford sedans, as their long beleagured wives slowly overtake them and drive them to their graves, employees of insurance companies hiding among the human population and discombobulated menopausal women with bad hairdos, as well as racists fanned by such as Limbaugh, Hannity, Palin, Gingrich etc.

In the last two days there have been three gun incidents at two different public gatherings.

Shame on the capitalists and corporatists who tear our country apart with outright lies and bottomless greed.

Posted by: mot2win | August 11, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Palin's support comes from three groups, the first are fundamentalist Evangelicals (the real reason Lieberman was not picked), the second are the prejudiced (at every rally), and the third the unthinking (one of us and men that think with the little head). Support so blind they blame the media when Palin gives incoherent or ridiculous answers to their questions. Her pushing for science class creationism and asking librarians about possibly banning books only add to her not ready for national stage image. 2012, LOL, the GOP will never win and lose more ground with her on the platform. I truly hope the GOP will change giving up the Palin/Sessions type to the cerebral Lugars and caring Snowes. A one party system is not good for America, the GOP slips further with scandal and votes against Sotomayor, they change or go the way of the Whigs.

Posted by: jameschirico | August 12, 2009 6:21 AM | Report abuse

IMO, I really think its her husband Todd is doing all the talking and she is the robot spouting his words and beliefs.

Alaskan's had issue with Todd always being in the governors office and he was accused of running things and questioned in Troopergate and was decided he was only defending his family.

I think he is the idiom writing her speeches, of which she believes is genius and spouts them out for all to hear. She does it cause she believes she is led by God to do this. Here we go again..always blaming God. When I was a kid I thought it was the devil who made me do it!

Posted by: mac7 | August 12, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Don't bother giving Palin any credit for not embracing the personalities and rhetoric of the far right: she will flip back over to delusional rumor mongering and name calling by tomorrow's post. If her lips are moving then a steaming pile of self serving, incomprehensible, half-baked lies will come poring forth. The drivel will contain just enough wing-nut sentence fragments to set the Palinistas to frothing and pounding their chests..."Obama's death panel kill's grandmothers" they scream at their congress people. She has no sense of rhetorical equilibrium, or for that matter, sense of audience when mangling a message. One day Obama is the antichrist and the next she wants us all to have civil discourse. Give us a break and get treatment for your schizophrenia: maybe some lithium will quiet the Michelle Malkin voice in her head.

Posted by: fooledmeonce | August 12, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is clearly one of the most mendacious politicians in the public eye. If she is not, then the only excuse she has for her blatant falsehoods and pseudo-homespun idiocy is that she has serious mental handicaps.

Posted by: Sonny53 | August 12, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

How much attention would Sarah Palin get if she were unattractive?

Really... how much?

Posted by: AdrickHenry | August 12, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

georgejbryan wrote;
yes georgej wrote in the same sentence, "Communist and Fascist norm from which socialism borrows"
here is exposed the idiocy, the willful ignorance of the Palinites. funny, yet scary.

Posted by: boricuaogun | August 12, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

This is what happens when you wake up and realize that you were part of a campaign that promoted untruths and that your supporters were narrow minded partisans that refused to think outside the box. It's refreshing to see that she's finally coming around.

Posted by: CDee | August 14, 2009 3:31 AM | Report abuse

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