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Joe Wilson Proves He Deserves His Reprimand

By Jo-Ann Armao

I admit to being conflicted about the House’s decision today to reprimand South Carolina Republican Joe Wilson for his ill-mannered outburst last week. (By now everyone knows how Wilson shouted “you lie!” as President Obama tried to debunk what he saw as lies being spread about his health reform proposal.)

My initial impulse was to think the Democrats should just drop it. Wilson had apologized to the president. Since it soon became clear that Wilson only said he was sorry because his party’s leaders realized his actions made them all look adolescent, what was the point of wringing another insincere apology? Why give Wilson any more attention, particularly when it seemed only to be making him more of a hero to those rabidly opposed to the president and helping him to raise campaign funds? Republicans were not wrong in saying the reprimand -- approved largely along party lines -- was a “partisan stunt,” and one that had a good chance of backfiring.

I flipped my thinking, though, listening to Wilson and other Republicans as they took to the floor. Why weren’t they smart enough to do what the Democrats should have done: rise above it, act better than your opponent? After all, Wilson did break House rules; isn’t it possible that the offense some members felt was real, not manufactured?

How hard is it to say you are sorry (again) to smooth over a situation? Isn’t that what our mothers told us to do? The Republicans, though, preferred to rail on about how much time the House was wasting talking about the measure -- not realizing how silly they looked taking up so much time to rail about the Democrats.

By Jo-Ann Armao  | September 15, 2009; 6:11 PM ET
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This whole thing could have been avoided if Obama had given strictly a policy speech, instead of resorting to political name-calling. He basically called Republicans liars in the speech...they should just sit there and take it???

In my opinion, Obama abused the well of the Congress. It should be used strictly for SOTU speeches or national emergencies. This speech was an attempt at saving his political career, nothing more.

Shame on him and good for Joe Wilson. This whole episode has likely hurt Democrats more than Republicans.

Posted by: boosterprez | September 15, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

The gap grows wider.

In the absence of any idea, any innovations, and any imagination at all, the way a Republican proves his bona fides is to shout no louder than the next guy.

Anger is all they have. Wilson damaged his party, and they're so damaged already they think it was a good thing.

Posted by: dfc102 | September 15, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm still waiting for the Democrats to apologize to the American
people for ending the regulation of the financial industry
which caused the recession. During the greatest crisis
since the Depression, they took a month long vacation.

Posted by: rgreyhardygmailcom | September 15, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Boosterprez You must have heard a different version of the speech than I did. He was only stating a fact, not an opinion. Joe Wilson is a disgrace. Too bad they can't kick him out of Congress. That is what he deserves. The President deserves respect whether you like him or not.

Posted by: 717judie | September 15, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

This whole thing could have been avoided if Obama had given strictly a policy speech, instead of resorting to political name-calling. He basically called Republicans liars in the speech...they should just sit there and take it???

In my opinion, Obama abused the well of the Congress. It should be used strictly for SOTU speeches or national emergencies. This speech was an attempt at saving his political career, nothing more.

Shame on him and good for Joe Wilson. This whole episode has likely hurt Democrats more than Republicans.

Posted by: boosterprez | September 15, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Uh huh.

You thought it was a national emergency when they used it to impeach Clinton.

You thought it was a national emergency when Wilson spoke to the nearly empty chamber in his "apology."

Pathetic hypocrisy. The hallmark of too many faithful conservatives, and the illness that is killing the right.

Posted by: dfc102 | September 15, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Whatever happened free speech? Is this America or Ahmerika?

The president is a LIAR!.. he has brokeN every campaign promise that he used to get elected... WAKE UP AMERICA AND SEE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: sadkerson | September 15, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Several Republicans joined to chastise Wilson-the-confederate. Would someone explain why "patriotic" righties are so loyal to Non-American billionaire Australian Rupert Murdoch-owned FOX and right-wing radio?

Posted by: VCubed | September 15, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama has lied continuously about what is contained in the health care agenda he prefers. It does call for a board to make life or death decisions based on cost to treat. The British NICE agenda is the same as proven recently by reports of up to 16% of deaths in '07, '08 being euthanasia. NICE as well as Hitler's T-4 program are in fact the model for Obamacare. It's about time that Congress speaks up.
Signed, Richard T. Van Bergen

Posted by: rvbergen | September 15, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Has Harry Reid ever apologized for calling the previous President a liar on the floor of the US Senate? NO. And he even refused to do so when specifically given the opportunity in a televised interview. Has there been any rebuke of Mr. Reid? Of course not. Double standard is so blatant in both the media and in those who are so "shocked" that all credibility is lost. Spare us the sanctimony unless you clean your own behaviour.

Posted by: rpm4565458 | September 15, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Yo, boosterprez

It's Obama's fault because had he taken leadership of this issue months ago and made the Dems ram it through Congress, there never would have been the August Town hall meetings (where Rep Pete Stark told one clown it would be a waste of urine to pee on him), nor the need to address Congress last week.

Yeah, blame the Prez.

Flip Wilson: "The devil made me do it."

Posted by: edlharris | September 15, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Yo, boosterprez

It's Obama's fault because had he taken leadership of this issue months ago and made the Dems ram it through Congress, there never would have been the August Town hall meetings (where Rep Pete Stark told one clown it would be a waste of urine to pee on him), nor the need to address Congress last week.

Yeah, blame the Prez.

Flip Wilson: "The devil made me do it."

Posted by: edlharris | September 15, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

"boosterprez" sure has some odd ideas. The President pointed out in the speech that a lot of people have been lying about things which are or are not in the proposed bill. Wilson accused the President of lying about something which Wilson thought was in the bill, but was not. So the President told the truth and Wilson lied...how is that the fault of President Obama?

Posted by: taylorb1 | September 15, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I do not approve of what Congressman Wilson did at all, but for the House to pass a resolution ro reprimand him seems a big waste of time and effort and further delineates the line between the parties. Congress should spend their time trying to solve the thousands of problems faced by their constituents. In the last few days as the media have reported rude behavior -- I fully expected the house to waste their time by holding Congressional hearings on what is going on in America!!!!

Stop the stupid partisan battles, it is disgusting. Congressman Wilson is an idiot - let it go, why make him a hero.
Get on with the business of solving problems.

Posted by: flyfisherinCA | September 15, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

"He basically called Republicans liars in the speech...they should just sit there and take it???"

Well, yeah. They have been lying. They've been scaring the vulnerable sectors of our society with blatant lies about what is in the proposed legislation. Obama called them on it.

So, yeah, they should just sit there and take it. Then, they should try and amend the damage they've caused. They might even consider apologizing to the American public.

Posted by: kjohnson3 | September 15, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Look Rep. Wilson issued a statement of apology right after this happened, he should have simply read that statement into the House record from the floor and ended this at that time. But no he wanted to extend his time in the limelight and his "profits" from this outburst. In South Carolina there is no doubt that this will insure his reelection (not that he probably wouldn't have been), but combined with many other actions by the Republicans lately it can only diminish their chances in races were they are not so competitive. The continued consolidation of power by the "Rabid" wing of the Republican party will lead to the demise of the party.

Posted by: notthatdum | September 15, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Why don't congress apoligize to the people for all the wrong they have done and continue to do for their own greed and trying to strip us of our rights. If anyone does not agree with what congress is trying to pass, they blame it on racism. They are trying to take our freedom and liberty away right down to our freedom of speech, our medical care and small business.

Posted by: mzha | September 15, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

This is what Congress spends its time on Turning into playgournd monitors?!? OK so Wilson was a jerk we all know that Did he mean his apology .Probaly not But with all the other crisis this nation is dealing with I would think Congress had better things to do with their time

Posted by: TLB25 | September 15, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Its amazing whats going on in the USA. I am a retired US Army soldier of 30 years who was a democrat ironworker labor union in my early years however the party lines have been eroding over years dems left wingers the repubs right wingers so I am independent and remain a true AMERICAN PATRIOT for low taxes low spending, democratic capitalism, free speech and freedom of religion, holidays FREEDOM. Since President Obama has taken office he has taken the USA down a path of Socialism/Marxism and stripping the freedoms many men before me died for us to have and keep. The main issue is Pres Obama has lied over and over and over has not read bills, has not kept his promise so he is A LIAR so Mr Wilson was speaking TRUTH. The democrats should be investigated by ETHICS COMMISSION and JUSTICE DEPT for not paying taxes, for violating the constitution for endorsing and supporting anything other than DEMOCRACY AND FREE SPEECH, they are the violators of all AMERICANS...and our kids and grandkids...BEWARE of an underground agenda that is attempting to takeover the USA...that is violating the oath of all soldiers and leaders to protect and defend USA from all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC...they have agenda (democrats and white house) that make them enemies of a domestic nature to our freedoms and way of life
US ARMY RETIRED HARD

Posted by: USArmyretiredhard | September 15, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

To attack the President of the United States during an address before a joint session of Congress is disrespectful and deserving of rebuke. To blame the President of the United States is racism.

Posted by: sosgood2 | September 15, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

It's good that the House reprimanded Wilson. However, they should have expelled him from the House. He's no friend of the American people but a domestic enemy who's working to destroy American society. The House failed in their oath.

Posted by: redrider26p | September 15, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I believe the race monster is at foot.

Had it been anyone beside Obama he probably would have never acted that way.

It just goes to show that we still have a long way to go as a nation.

Shame on him for not only his level of disrespect but with having issues with race.

At least now Obama can open his eyes and know what he's working with.....

Posted by: scalesj | September 15, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I fully agree with the actions of the House,this man is a disgrace to the republican party and to our country in the way he has conducted himself,in this act of ignorance.his name is not Joe Wilson,he is named after ancestors and has insulted them by ignoring the use of their names,by calling himself "Joe" what was the reasoning behind that? was it to show the common voter that he is just a guy named "Joe",in my years on earth a person who would deny such a basic truth is someone who has a big flaw in his make-up,and the actions of this man in the past weeks has shown that,I listened to the words that he yelled at the President and the word that followed "you lie'was "boy",although that has been dropped out of the news accounts,this man is a danger to the country,much in the same way as the racist George Wallace.The republican party can do itself a big favor by giving this guy his walking papers.

Posted by: dudsy25 | September 15, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Boosterprez in absolutely correct!!!!

HR 3200 does allow for illegals to receive our tax dollar paid Health Insurance. Furthermore, Several attempts by Republicans to add an Ammendment to prevent them from doing so, were shot down in committee. So Obama LIED.

Should he have yelled it out... no... Should Nancy call Bush a liar...NO.. Should Nancy call the CIA Liars... No... Should Rangel lie on his taxes... NO... Should he pay fines and penalties... YES... Should Rangel be out of the House...Yes.... and so on and so on....

Posted by: parez | September 15, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats are becoming hysterical. It's a sign of their desperation. They thought that they had vanquished the opposition once and for all. Now they are waving the racism flag though is no evidence, except that Wilson represents a Southern state, that racism had anything to do with Wilson's irrepressible outburst. Anyone who views Wilson can see that he is a milquetoast and an obviously go-along guy).This racism nonsense has been fanned by that professional hysteric and dem lonely heart columnist, the professionally nasty Maureen Dowd. We thought we were done with the Sharptons and the Jesse Jacksons. Now the Black Caucus is waving the flag. The press, ignoring Van Jones, ACORN, has progressed from a liberal slant to outright propaganda. As a onetime newspaperman it pains me to say that if the print media is dying, they deserve it, if this is what they have come to. And no one has yet made the case that Obama did not lie. He lied and his speech, the umpteenth ---I for one, am suffering from severe Obama fatigue, the man will not take a break from speechifying -- was riven through with rhetorically slippery assertions and glaringly outright lies. I dare you to fact check that speech. (Our legislative bodies are too decorous anyway, as if this assembled rabble were the House of Lords, come on, we know better).

Posted by: RAPProds | September 15, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

This is just one more bit of partisan baloney.

The Democrats taught the Republicans how to savage a President. Every charge they leveled against George Bush will soon be leveled against Obama. How do you like it, "Obama lied and people died." "How many of Obama's Czars does it take to change a light bulb." "Who is the stupidest man to ever sit in the Oval Office?" Plenty more where they came from.

Ironically, President Obama was the only one in this mess who acted like an adult. He accepted the apology and asked that we move on and deal with the huge pile of work waiting to be done.

Making an example of Congressman Wilson only builds him up.
He will raise a ton of money for his next campaign. It is my understanding that Congressman Barney Frank voted against the formal resolution on the sound basis that there was not enough time for the House to vote every time a member made a fool of him or herself.

Posted by: SanchoK | September 15, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

A lie is a lie is a lie... he broke protocol or rules. A slap on the wrist is sufficient. He apologized, last I looked we don't live in Russia or not yet anyway. Obama is a liar... Untruths are lies, twisting the true is a lie. It is about time someone stood up to him and told the truth. Liar...get to the real issues and stop dancing around what this country needs the truth. And people to stand up to those that do not. We don't need any more secrets...

Posted by: dszyszlo | September 15, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

You thought it was a national emergency when they used it to impeach Clinton.

You thought it was a national emergency when Wilson spoke to the nearly empty chamber in his "apology."


Posted by: dfc102

____________________

The examples you give are not examples of the President addressing a joint session of congress. I specifically stated that addresses such as this should be limited to SOTU and national emergencies...I've no idea what your examples reference, but they are impertinent to my post.

Posted by: boosterprez | September 15, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

egads. I can't believe that anyone is behind Joe Wilson. I worry for our country w/ this kind of thinking. Is another Civil War in the making?? I'm stunned at the rage of the far right. We all sat thru 8 yrs of Bush et al lying about nearly everything, taking us to war, spying on us---where to begin? Yet in Joint Sessions of Congress you never saw such childish behavior. I'm an old white woman and in my life I've never seen such disrespect shown to POTUS. sad.

Posted by: julieeking | September 15, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

As many Presidents as there has been in the USA, no one in Congress or the House agrees (or believes) everything he has to say - or wants to pass. But they sit and listen. Afterwards, they state their cases to their constituents. What Wilson did was blatant disrespect towards a President and to Country. To those that defend him, know what you are defending: A man who has no respect for a sitting American President. It's not about whether or not I agree with his feeling (and I do), it is about how Wilson's actions look to the rest of the World. As much as they hated Clinton or Bush Jr., NEVER did any react in such a disrespectful manner. You do not have to clap at his every statement. But he is Commander in Chief. If Wilson worked for a Fortune 100 and did that to the Company CEO, he'd be fired. If the policy is wrong - WORK TO CHANGE IT. That's what we elect you for. But to disrespect our President in such a manner, that is insubordination and shows just how unpatriotic he is and his idea of Patriotism has a color.

Posted by: Mandi7882 | September 15, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

First and foremost, think of this economy before Obama took office and we were living in a Bush economy . Everyone complained constantly, yet not to the point of disrespect as to what President Obama is going through at this time. The same people against Obama are the ones who voted Bush into office leading to a disasterous economy so if you would like to blame someone Pres.Obama is not the one. He is trying to fix this mess! Joe Wilson is a disgrace and needs any type of reprimand he receives. I am shame to say I am a South Carolinan!!

Posted by: reginabaxley | September 15, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

RACISM... I guess everyone who disagreed with BusH is a RACIST too.

There is no difference.

Had a preacher a couple of years ago who was black. He started thinking everyone was racist. The problem was he was the only one who thought about the color of his skin. (Since he was married to a white woman and he was in the minority in that respect) The problems he faced had NOTHING to do with the color of his skin. He saw things differently than the majority of people around him.

The calling people RACISTS game is for when you can not win the arguement on facts and merrit.

I wish there were more ADULTS who posted on the net... the reading would be more interesting.

Posted by: parez | September 15, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Where can I get a Joe Wilson hat?
I'm with him. The time has passed for niceties and gentility. It is time to speak up, honestly, forcefully and manfully to express our great, great concern over what is being done to this country and the people who are doing it. They are the trash that showed their colors in Chicago in 1968. The streets are ours now and the congress will be ours again soon.

Posted by: gtb31 | September 15, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

God Bless our President and protect him from all the crazies! OMG -- I've taught my children to always do the right thing! What has happened to the republicans? Great article, by the way!

Posted by: nellie3ster | September 15, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

"I'm still waiting for the Democrats to apologize to the American
people for ending the regulation of the financial industry
which caused the recession. "

Nonsense. Deregulation was passed by a Republican Congress, with a veto-proof minority. Phil Gramm (Republican) was instrumental in inserting language that deregulated credit default swaps.

True, Dems didn't fight like they should. But financial markets deregulation was a Republican mantra for a generation. And the credit default regulation was specifically a Phil Gramm idea.

Posted by: Hillman1 | September 15, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

I see the right-wing nuts are out in full force. The article is about the rude behavior of a Congressman who broke the rules of his chamber and interrupted the President while he was speaking.

The President did not name names, but was instead addressing what was an in-your-face campaign of lying that the Republicans had been leading with their death panels and other hysteria.

The rest of the discussion is what we call rationalization by the Republicans to justify the rude behavior. Well, it is not justified by a long shot.

Additionally, if you have written that Obama is a marxist or is leading a marxist change in America, then you are an idiot who does not know what marxism is. Get an education, then express your opinions.

Posted by: stoplying | September 15, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

God Bless our President and protect him from all the crazies! OMG -- I've taught my children to always do the right thing! What has happened to the republicans? Great article, by the way!

Posted by: nellie3ster | September 15, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

What a waste of time. Wilson was out of line, and the entire nation got to see him make an ass of himself and then apologize for it. The members of the House that forced this reprimand made themselves look petty and childish right alongside Wilson.

The American people already think that Wilson's outburst was inappropriate, and they are a far more effective and appropriate jury than a deeply divided, highly partisan congress.

Posted by: ponkey | September 15, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh please. This is racisiam; I get so sick and tired of hearing that crap. A liar should be called a liar--plain and simple. Go Joe!!!!

Posted by: Hawkeye617522 | September 15, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans, especially Boehner, Cantor and Armey (alleged Republican "leaders"), are merely poorly-trained apologists for the pre-adolescent behavior of their fellow party-members--especially a couple of them from South Carolina. The actual American electorate--those of us who actually vote--isn't quite as stupid as current members of Abe Lincoln's Republican party try to make us out to be. The longer they show the real American electorate their thumbs-in-their-ears-with-fingers-waving legislative-methodology, the fewer votes they'll get for any office they run for--they now look like they'll probably go the way of the Whigs, and many of us will applaud their demise.

Posted by: marc85 | September 15, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

I am not a republican, but I thought his apology was sincere. He immediately called the WH and apologized, the President accepted his apology. Done - Over and on to more important issues. I would like to say a few words though.

Senator Reid, have you no shame? A few more words - President Obama, have you no shame? Healthcare is something that is going to affect my great grand children, yet you want it resolved this week? Do you not care about the citizens welfare more than your personal agenda? Please - be an American before all else. Long after we are dead and gone our children, grand children and great grand children will be affected by and paying for the reform developed now. We citizens do not care about personal agendas, we just want it done RIGHT! We do not want our heirs straddled with debt or an oppressive government running their lives. So face the issues as the American people want you to. Take your time and do it right as the President did with his puppy. This issue is so important it is above and beyond politics...it is down to whether you are an American or not. Which are you two? American or not?

Posted by: Odin56 | September 15, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

This is not racism. Our President, Barak Huessin Obama (sp) is not only a liberal to the FAR LEFT, but also stands for marxism and communism. Wake up, America. Joe did!

Posted by: Hawkeye617522 | September 15, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse


Further more to go as far to give the terrorist rights. What right do the people who lost their lives in 911. They should be sent back to their country and live in their prisons why don't we just give them a room up at the Ritz. Obama is missing one big important fact, WE LIVE IN AMERICA land of the free and home of the brave. Not in a third world country were the people are affairs to the the KING is is NAKED. Obama is a lair and is bring this country into a dictatorship. Hey maybe I will get a knock on my door for calling the out the truth. That is what this country is coming to.

Posted by: dszyszlo | September 15, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

It's hard to rationalize the absolute lack of neutrality, objectiveness, insight, and honesty when 'reporting' national events. Ms. Armao, you forget that there were lots of people watching and listening to the speech. Are you that partison that you ignore the full picture. The reaction of Mr. Wilson might have been outside protocol but when I heard what the president said about no health care for the illegals, I would bet far more than 50% of the viewing audience, and a great many in the audience, thought exactly the same thing. Who is the president trying to fool? According to all reports from people who have scoured the massive and purposely unintellible bill, there is virtually no mention of that fact.

If there is, then please put out the information to the public. Show the statements and list the page and paragraph.

There is little true resistence to the government trying to help the health system become more people friendly though oversight means but the line stops there.

It's intersting to listen to the banter about words etc but the health care industry is not a single organization. It is a 'cottage industry' of entrepreneurs to interact in a very special way. If anybody thinks that it is corrupt now, which it isn't but it has been ignored and allowed itself to get out of sync with reality, just wait until the government gets involved.

If the Congress wants apologies from those who are a disgrace to their office, start with people like Charlie Rangel, Harry Reid, and a host of others.

There is so much anger and frustration because we, the people, have heard no facts or figures. Only inuendos. Remember, the devil is in the details. However, this time it looks like more than that. Look at the hilarious antics of Nancy Pelosi with her requirements for a personal jet with crew, etc. Then to watch her face when Mr. Wilson made his statement was wonderful. Should be saved forever in pictures. Thank you Mr. Wilson. You were impuleive but your honesty and sincerety was brilliant. Also, you immediately apologized to the president and he accepted. Case closed!

Posted by: mark_mcgovern | September 15, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Reprimands and rules are important to national government processes. Can you imagine the free-for-alls that would occur otherwise? Joe Wilson knew before he said the words, that there were consequences and he didn't care. His outburst and calling the President's statement a lie, were both wrong and inaccurate.

Posted by: EnglishBrenda | September 15, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Boosterprez You must have heard a different version of the speech than I did. He was only stating a fact, not an opinion. Joe Wilson is a disgrace. Too bad they can't kick him out of Congress. That is what he deserves. The President deserves respect whether you like him or not.

Posted by: 717judie

I'm certain we heard the same speech...you just heard it with ears that already agree with everything the President says. I suggest you go to Factcheck.org to learn about all of the distortions of fact in that speech...JOe Wilson was actually right.

Anyways, you didn't see the speech as political or accusatory...everything he said was true.

Well, you are entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to mine. These comments from the speech are accusatory, and they represent only YOUR idea of the facts, not the facts as many others see them...making them opinions only.

"Too many have used this as an opportunity to score short-term political points, even if it robs the country of our opportunity to solve a long-term challenge."

"Still, given all the misinformation that's been spread over the past few months,"

"Some of people's concerns have grown out of bogus claims spread by those whose only agenda is to kill reform at any cost"

"And to my Republican friends, I say that rather than making wild claims about a government takeover of health care,"

"Medicare is another issue that's been subjected to demagoguery and distortion during the course of this debate."

"I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than to improve it."

Posted by: boosterprez | September 15, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson is the one who lied! There is no provision to provide free medical aid to illegal aliens! No such disrespect was ever shown to a "White President!"

Posted by: Venizelos1 | September 15, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson is the one who lied! There is no provision to provide free medical aid to illegal aliens! No such disrespect was ever shown to a "White President!"

Posted by: Venizelos1 | September 15, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Further more to go as far to give the terrorist rights. What rights do the people who lost their lives in 911. The Terrorist should be sent back to their country and live in their prisons. Why don't we just give them a room up at the Ritz. Obama is missing one big important fact, WE LIVE IN AMERICA land of the free and home of the brave. Not in a third world country were the people are affaid to tell the KING is is NAKED. Obama is a lair and is bringing this country into a dictatorship. Hey maybe I will get a knock on my door for calling the out the truth. That is what this country is coming to.

Posted by: dszyszlo | September 15, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

"boosterprez" sure has some odd ideas. The President pointed out in the speech that a lot of people have been lying about things which are or are not in the proposed bill. Wilson accused the President of lying about something which Wilson thought was in the bill, but was not. So the President told the truth and Wilson lied...how is that the fault of President Obama?

Posted by: taylorb1
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If the President was telling the truth, why did the White HOuse, last Friday night, put out a "clarification" that they would now include the language of the Heller Amendment? I'd say that proves that Joe Wilson was correct. The Senate bill has since made a similar inclusion in their bill.

Posted by: boosterprez | September 15, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson is the one who lied! There is no provision to provide free medical aid to illegal aliens! No such disrespect was ever shown to a "White President!"

Posted by: Venizelos1 | September 15, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

It curious to see Rep. Wilson defended on the basis that the President is a liar and Wilson told the truth. First, every independent non-partisan organization to look at the legislation agrees that illegal aliens are specifically excluded. Second, if the point is that the bill doesn't make it impossible for an illegal to game the system, I'd like to know what safeguards would do that? We all know that some illegals obtain Social Security numbers, fake Green Cards and driver's licenses. Studies have also shown that the vast majority of illegals are not likely to grossly abuse the system because they fear being caught. So what is this obsession with illegals and health insurance? Why do we want to needlessly complicate the system to prevent what may be a minor amount of abuse? If abuse becomes widespread, action can then be taken. So this all seems like either hysteria on the right or a purely cynical attempt to exploit the public's distaste for illegal immigrants. Those of you who defend Wilson do a disservice to both our public debate and your own integrity.

Posted by: jdnathan | September 15, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Give it up, Republicans! The president of the free world is a black man and all the teabags in the world won't change that. I have never seen such befuddlement on the part of the right wing. Are they stupid or are they crazy? Or are they mis-informed? Do your homework! And do your own thinking! Stop letting Rush and Glenn do your thinking and reading for you -- or can you read and think???

Posted by: IndianaPearl | September 15, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Big deal and who really cares.

Posted by: ssol4569 | September 15, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Give it up, Republicans! The president of the free world is a black man and all the teabags in the world won't change that. I have never seen such befuddlement on the part of the right wing. Are they stupid or are they crazy? Or are they mis-informed? Do your homework! And do your own thinking! Stop letting Rush and Glenn do your thinking and reading for you -- or can you read and think???

Posted by: IndianaPearl | September 15, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

"I listened to the words that he yelled at the President and the word that followed "you lie'was "boy",although that has been dropped out of the news accounts,"

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Forgive me, but you are a moron....you did not hear this word spoken by Joe Wilson, nor did anyone else. YOu either read Maureen Dowd's obnoxious column or you heard someone talking about it. Maureen Dowd could "hear it" not literally, but figuratively, in her depraved and progressive mind...she's got an agenda, just like everyone else who blames this on racism.

Posted by: boosterprez | September 15, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Okay it was intemperate and we expect more of our leaders but it wasn't untrue so the Dems should have left well enough alone. Instead Charlie Rangel and John P. Murtha go on unreprimanded and un-rebuked while a hotheaded truth teller is rebuked.

Dems you're like babies. You need to be changed frequently and for the same reason. You fouled yourselves today.

Posted by: aloysius1 | September 15, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama IS A LIAR. The House will Not officially exclude Illegal Aliens. Two votes to put language excluding Illegals in the bill have gone down in defeat. We DO NOT NEED A HEALTH CARE REFORM BILL AS ONLY 12MILLION PEOPLE ARE OFFICIALLY WITHOUT SOME TYPE OF CARE. BIG DEAL. HEALTH CARE IS NOT A RIGHT. IT IS A PRIVILEGE..

Posted by: dave481 | September 15, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

re Post by: RAPProds:The Democrats are becoming hysterical. It's a sign of their desperation. They thought that they had vanquished the opposition once and for all. Now they are waving the racism flag though is no evidence, except that Wilson represents a Southern state, that racism had anything to do with Wilson's irrepressible outburst. Anyone who views Wilson can see that he is a milquetoast and an obviously go-along guy).This racism nonsense has been fanned by that professional hysteric and dem lonely heart columnist, the professionally nasty Maureen Dowd. We thought we were done with the Sharptons and the Jesse Jacksons. Now the Black Caucus is waving the flag. The press, ignoring Van Jones, ACORN, has progressed from a liberal slant to outright propaganda. As a onetime newspaperman it pains me to say that if the print media is dying, they deserve it, if this is what they have come to. And no one has yet made the case that Obama did not lie. He lied and his speech, the umpteenth ---I for one, am suffering from severe Obama fatigue, the man will not take a break from speechifying -- was riven through with rhetorically slippery assertions and glaringly outright lies. I dare you to fact check that speech. (Our legislative bodies are too decorous anyway, as if this assembled rabble were the House of Lords, come on, we know better).

for a 'onetime newspaperman', you write very poorly. you make several assertions and dont back any of them up. you say that obama's speech contained 'outright lies' and 'slippery assertions', and you dont give a SINGLE example. also, i read that obama's speech was fact-checked by some independent, nonpartisan group and was found to be factually correct. (you'll have to find this yourself-i'm not a newspaperman-you SAY you are.) it seems that everything written by this 'exnewsman' is a perfect example of the 'slippery assertion' and 'outright lie'. i guess he's an expert in this area and is probably why he is no longer employed.
i think it's safe to say that this poster is the one who is becoming 'hysterical' and 'desperate' and, bottom line, he writes like CrAp.

Posted by: fellowbozo | September 15, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

It's about time the Dems showed some backbone, the NOP(aka gop)has not shown any respect for our US President or the Dem party. We hear nothing but NO from the NOP. Maybe the Dems will enjoy their newfound backbone and do the job they were elected to do.

Posted by: dgates1 | September 15, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

OMG! Here I thought those that read The Washington Post were intelligent people. All I've read here is blame, blame and more blame on both sides. First, it's "the office of the president", so the lack of respect to the office is shameful. Second, it's so obivous who's red and who's blue. And to bring race into it, just set us back 50 years. NONE of you are looking out for what is best for the country as a whole, just your own party and interests. HOW SAD. Perhaps if an IQ test was required to subscribe to The Washing Post, there wouldn't be any subscribers? I hope all of you, some day grow up and start looking at was is good for the country as a whole and not your own bias beliefs.

Posted by: Rob8001 | September 15, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

"Now they are waving the racism flag though is no evidence, except that Wilson represents a Southern state,"

You mean other than his membership in Sons of the Confederacy, as reported by CNN today?

Or his bizarre refusal to accept the fact that Strom Thurmond had a half-black daughter?

Can you really, with a straight face, say that the Sons of the Confederacy membership isn't ridiculous in this day and age?

Posted by: Hillman1 | September 15, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama has lied continuously about what is contained in the health care agenda he prefers. It does call for a board to make life or death decisions based on cost to treat. The British NICE agenda is the same as proven recently by reports of up to 16% of deaths in '07, '08 being euthanasia. NICE as well as Hitler's T-4 program are in fact the model for Obamacare. It's about time that Congress speaks up.
Signed, Richard T. Van Bergen

Posted by: rvbergen | September 15, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

TO: rpm4565458 who wrote:
"Has Harry Reid ever apologized for calling the previous President a liar on the floor of the US Senate? NO."
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Previous President? Are you too ashamed to say the name?

Harry Reid called Bush a liar because Bush was a liar, unless of course you still believe it was Iraq that hit us on 9/11 or that there were WMDs in Iraq and not just billions of gallons of oil.

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TO: aloysius1 who wrote:
“Okay it was intemperate and we expect more of our leaders but it wasn't untrue so the Dems should have left well enough alone…”
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Oh what Wilson said was definitely a lie, and an insult. What's well enough for you, that Insurance Companies to continue to gouge Americans while at the same time refusing coverage.

The fact is, the wacko right wing Republican psychos have been excusing quite a lot of poor behavior by your elected officials this year alone.

I personally would be content if Wilson were simply never allowed to be in the same room with the President ever again, especially since Wilson can’t help “soiling” himself.

Posted by: lindalovejones | September 15, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

i dont think there should be any 'formal rebuke'.
1. it's a waste of time. everybody has already decided on how they feel about wilson and no one will change his mind.
2. wilson already made a complete ass of himself, and no vote is going to affect that.
3. we'll just have to hear more hysteria and the same old garbage repeated ad nauseum from the nutcases on the far right.

Posted by: fellowbozo | September 15, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Wilson makes himself an easy target for satire and provides an endless source of material for pundits like myself and late night comedians. Here is what I posted at www.citizenpoet.com. Tune in to Stewart, Letterman, et al, to see their take.

"I won't be muzzled," Wilson swore,
He's right, of course. Muzzles are for
--the other end of the horse.

Posted by: danspeers | September 15, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

First, the wrong thing to do was to shout this out on the floor of the Congress; admitted and apologized for. Second, this isn't racial, Obama has been lying all during and after the election. Lies and hatred of Bush is what got him elected. Why is it now that the 56 million plus start complaining about the flip flops and lies that it becomes racial? Why is it that the Joker picture of Bush in the New Yorker was fine but with Obama it's racial? He's a bad president, he and the Democrats lie, deal with it. Maybe it will just be for 4 years.

Posted by: flaretired | September 15, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

for those who want the facts about whether illegal immigrants are covered by the health care bills before congress:

**they are not covered**

the argument the republicans are making is that they want everyone who might be eligible for a tax credit (or whatever other benefits there may be) under the health care reform to meet a very high standard of proof to demonstrate that they are indeed eligible.

what bothers me about this whole discussion is that the republicans do not admit that their real issue is over the level of documentation a person has to show in order to qualify--instead, they say illegal immigrants are covered. be honest about what you disagree with rather than trying to spin it into something else.

btw, these onerous proof of residency/citizenship requirements have been shown to have the greatest impact on *legal* residents. in the medicaid program, states that require more pieces of paper before they will enroll a child or family are more likely to 1) take longer to get needed healthcare to the family and 2) more likely to deny medicaid to families or individuals who are citizens than they are to prevent illegal immigrants from getting medicaid. the percentage of fraud in the medicaid program perpetuated by illegal immigrants is quite low--the number of people not served who are eligible (either because they are intimidated by the documentation requirements or cannot obtain the documents due to cost or difficulty getting them) is much, much higher.

problems involving documentation include people who are trying to get birth certificates from other states, people who can't afford the fees required to get certified copies of official documents, etc. there have been studies on this that have convinced many states to either streamline the documentation process (state will access it's own database electronically rather than require a person to obtain birth records the old-fashioned way, states have removed fees for documentation, etc) or to eliminate certain documentation requirements.

Posted by: taminator13 | September 15, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Never in my last 65 years i ever seen or heard a congressman interfere with the President speech in such gathering !!!
It was uncalled for , or may be Mr. Wilson did not understood what he read in the health plan . In either case , i believe that Mr. Wilson should resign his position , there are many bright individuals in his congressional district . Acts like this should never be repeated . The president office must be giving all due respect .

Posted by: AVERAGECITIZEN1 | September 15, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm so sick of hearing that this is racist. The word is being over used and misused and should be thrown out. He called Obama right away and apologized. I'm waiting for Congress and the Pres. to apologized to the American people for all this waste of our tax dollars. Wilson is a hero , yes he should not have said it at that time but when the Pres. is calling you a liar it's sometimes hard to hold back. Democrates will pay and so will the Republicans who have approved much of this stimulas pkg. Vote Vote Vote Let your voices be heard . "Don't Tread On Me" . We The People Will Be Heard.

Posted by: suzy722 | September 15, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

And one more thing: Those that are mis-naming the President of the United States (i.e. equating his name with Hussein thus equating him with it) are the most uneducated, uninformed citizens in this country. those who know what Socialism, Communism, Marxist and Leninist cultures are, know that America is in NO WAY headed that way, unless the people will themselves into it. Maybe some of you should pick up a book - Read some of Orwells works or Thoreaus. It's okay Republicans, they're white, but they do write in big words you may not understand.

Posted by: Mandi7882 | September 15, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

After eight years of President Bush, it's no wonder that the Republicans need to re-learn respect for the Office of the President, but learn it they must. President Obama is the real deal and cannot be sullied by name calling or mud slinging. Just imagine a country run by a citizen such as Joe Wilson - he is simply not up to the task. But President Obama is. South Carolina needs to wake up and join the 21st century. Republican Joe Wilson's remarks have shamed the great state of South Carolina. The entire nation is watching, and acts of intolerance and racism will no longer be tolerated. Come on, South Carolina, its time for you to demand that your elected officials put their personal biases aside and put South Carolina first. It's long overdue for South Carolina to truly rejoin our great Union, and you must demand that your elected officials look towards your future instead of being mired in the past. Now is the perfect opportunity to show some leadership.

Posted by: igers1 | September 15, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone tell if the President or Congress is lying . There lips are moving .

Posted by: suzy722 | September 15, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

The idea of a reprimand gained ground for me when it became clear that Wilson was getting a whole lotta love from his constituents, and had become the toast of the Old South and the right wing fringe. HIs refusal to publicly apologize from the House floor signaled that he was enjoying his newfound celebrity.
I'll stop there.

Posted by: philipwheelock | September 15, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

All whites who disagree with Obama are considered racist ..... guilty until proven innocent.

Posted by: Jmacaco4 | September 15, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama is way over his head as President and it shows. Take his teleprompter from him and he's lost for words. Sounds like a kid trying to lie his way out of something . Obama is a puppet of Congress and he really needs to wake up because he is destroying the United States. If China decides not to accept US Currency as the #2 currency and go with the euro . United States is gone our currency won't be worth the paper it's printed on. This will be about the only way for the Pres. and Congress to stop printing up the money and wasting it.

Posted by: suzy722 | September 15, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

"How hard is it to say you are sorry (again) to smooth over a situation?"

By that logic, how hard would it have been for the democratic leadership to have just dropped it?

Posted by: johnbowers | September 15, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

If "Congress shall make no Law," How is it now that Congress has found a novel way of repressing free speech. Does this now say or mean that we must now couch our words, phrase's, or speeches so as not to anger the Monarchy? Does this now say or mean that irrespective of USC, "No Titles of Nobility;" That the President must now be addressed as your Majesty. As was originally suggested in the drafting of the Document? What in heavens name can be next. Law! "That a Citizen of the Collective Will," may not gaze directly into the eyes or the direction of "The Kings or Queens of the United States, punishable by beheading or as Congress may by law direct. Is this not a putrefacere of "The Document?"

Civilian,

Posted by: jimbomoney | September 15, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

This isn't any laughing matter at all Joe Wilson made an error in judgment, and with that he should have asked for forgiveness in front of the house of Representative. Why is it so hard for the GOP to admit when they have done things wrong?
I truly think this is more about race than anything else here. I see in my community that race is the biggest thing , because he is black the will not admit he is there President no matter what he has done good in office they will think that the GOP made him do it. Yreka is like the South they want to Secession from California. You may have heard about us in History Books . The State of Jefferson. Yes we do have the KKK here also.
So I do think Joe Wilson hates this President not because he is a Democrat,but because he is Black.

Posted by: jake4u25 | September 15, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Let's keep fighting for reform. So far it's the old "one step forward, two backwards" as the Health Insurance and Pharmaceuticals pour millions into publicity and misinformation.
Naturally, the GOP politicians are willing to use ANY circumstance to sabotage Obama and the Dems.

Double shame is their pretended "Christian/Family Value" stance in what is really an amoral stance.
'Course the Southerners, KKKers, Aryan Nation, Survivalist, uneducated ditto heads can only follow their Racists leaders like Limbaugh and Beck.

Posted by: lufrank1 | September 15, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I guess the American people wanted change and that is what they have if they are lucky. A little change left in their pockets. I guess I'll be selling the Kool Aid on the corners to make money as people seem to like drinking the stuff. LOL

Posted by: suzy722 | September 15, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I agree with kjohnson3: the right owes an apology to the entire nation for the lies of the last eight years, starting with stealing the 2000 election.

Posted by: Sam888 | September 15, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Very telling that wilson is a member of Sons of Confederate Veterans. Sounds like a nice little group but a quick trip to their website reveals that they are a bunch of crazies who think the South was attacked, that the South was fighting "the second American revolution" - no lie, that was on their webpage this morning -- and they think that the Southern treason against the US was a glorious cause for freedom filled with heros.

wilson is a swine. He does not have the common decency of the average rube. He treats our Congress as a taproom and the President of the United States as some "boy" he can give a good ol' rebel yell at. He is the first in the history of our congress to deserve such a rebuke, and he got it. And everyone represented by those republicons still in government should take note at how little dignity or patriotism teir representative showed today, and how their actions put party over country, and even over simple common decency.

Posted by: John1263 | September 15, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

It's not about who lied first, most or last; it's a simple matter of manners. You call someone a 'liar' in the House of Representatives, you should apologize to the House. Republican or Democrat. It's just not civilized behavior. You who are keeping a tally of 'truth-shadings' by politicians should start counting fish in the sea; it's actually a finite number.

Posted by: mbus | September 15, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Me thinketh the "lady?" (Pelosi)doth protest too much! Joe Wilson was right...read the bill. His only apology should be for the interruption of Obama; Obama should apologize for lying; oh yea, I mean for "mis-speaking."

Posted by: Freedom_vs_Slavery | September 15, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Yes I can say when you don't have a ansewer revert to the race card. Funny how Obama would not have been the President if it were not for other races voting for him. So get over it , he was a poor choice for President and he's proving it. Stop throwing the race card in this. It's his policies , he has no clue of what he's doing and he's doing what ever his advisors are telling him. He will go down in history as the worst President passing Jimmy Carter. That's the bottom line. Get over it , wrong choice .

Posted by: suzy722 | September 15, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Whaaaaa! They did it, too. Whaaaa! Obama's not the real President so why should we respect him? Whaaaa! He's a socialist! Whaaaa! He's a terrorist! Whaaaa! He's a Marxist! Whaaaa! He's a Muslim! Whaaa!
Americans elected a young, intelligent Black man as President! Whaaa! They did it, too?

In the immortal words of your fathers before you, "love it or leave it!|

Posted by: coloradodog | September 15, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

I must say that I was proud to vote for Obama but I have listened and watch all the games over the past months and I would side with Mr. Wilson because Obama is telling LIES.He is a smooth talker and what we Democrats are doing is an outrage..on the "Hill" Democrats are doing exactly what we accuse the Republicans of. What Hypocrites. I am changing my party to Republicans.
changed!!

Posted by: rdced2 | September 15, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Wilson said what millions of America was saying to their TV's. Obama IS a liar...in fact the biggest liar I have seen in my lifetime!

Posted by: Callie369 | September 15, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Whaaaa! You can't play the race card! Whaaa!
We're good Christians so we can't be racist!
Whaaaa! Liberals are socialists! Whaaaa!

Posted by: coloradodog | September 15, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Dear Boosterprez,
You said:
I'm certain we heard the same speech...you just heard it with ears that already agree with everything the President says. I suggest you go to Factcheck.org to learn about all of the distortions of fact in that speech...JOe Wilson was actually right.
- - -
So, I went to Factcheck.org and here is what I found:

Obama’s Health Care Speech
We fact-check the president's address to Congress and the nation.
President Obama’s prime-time address to Congress and the nation on health care prompted a Republican congressman to shout “you lie!” Did he? Here’s what we’ve found: Obama was correct when he said his plan wouldn’t insure illegal immigrants; the House bill expressly forbids giving subsidies to those who are in the country illegally. Conservative critics complain that the bill lacks an enforcement mechanism, but that hardly makes the president a liar.

Posted by: ralph5 | September 15, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.british/msg/bf0751164e70ed3c?hl=en&dmode=source&output=gplain

Posted by: sdr1 | September 15, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Whaaaa! He lied! Whaaa! We never lie! Whaaa! We're Christians after all! Whaaa! He's a Muslim born in Kenya! Whaaaa!
Joe Wilson is our red-faced hero! Whaaaa!

Posted by: coloradodog | September 15, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Wait until our Goverment fails and US currency is worthless. When no one has a job. Who the heck cares about health care you won't be able to afford it anyway. Jobs and getting our country back on track should be the top priority of this President but it isn't . Why . Because he's got millions stashed away and got the pharmaceuticals companies, etc. pouring in the money. This includes Congress also and the unions. The heck with the little people that made this country.

Posted by: suzy722 | September 15, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Jo-Ann, you column is right on. In fact, no matter which side of the aisle you are, you should remember you serve the people. I was a congressional intern and had the opportunity to sit in the house and senate floors many times. It is all very heady. But it would be wise for those working in government, and good for America, to remember you are public - not party - servants. We would all be wise to treat each other with respect and maintain a good sense of humor.

Posted by: 2009frank | September 15, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Ok
So Serina is censured for her outburst by the US Open?
Kayne West is a jackass?
but Mr. Wilson shouldn't be censured? Well, he is just in Congress.

Posted by: bfargislanc | September 15, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

You know how you can tell racism is at work here? By the way that wheb you point out that the anti-obama rhetoric is incorrect, the person saying it doesn't change their mind, they don't let the facts interrupt their point of view.
Joe Wilson was wrong. ALL the factchecking organziations say he was wrong, but you will not convince his supporters, no matter the facts. What is at work when someone doesn't change their viewpoint based on facts?

Posted by: ralph5 | September 15, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

With all due respect, Ms. Armao, you are wrong to reduce House Dems efforts to reprimand Congressman Wilson for his gross disrespect to being a "stunt". Wilson tried to bring the "Town Hall" histrionics into an entirely inappropriate forum. It should be no surprise that Democrats moved to demonstrate who is large and in charge right now, and sixty-eight percent of America believes that Wilson crossed a line with his terrible display. Terrible behavior deserves and demands worse, really, so he got off easy. Let's hope Wilson pays with his job next election.

Posted by: iphoenix | September 15, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Dear Jo-Ann,

What does your mom say about Sen. Rangel? The country's going down the tube and you want to argue etiquette? Save us from all you nanny ninnies.

Posted by: elgropo1 | September 15, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Kayne West is a idiot. I was surprized at Serina she usually is very smooth and polite. Tennis and music if they went away tomorrow does it effect me NO. So who cares. What the Pres. and Congress does , does effect me.

Posted by: suzy722 | September 15, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson leads a charge that sets our
nation backwards 100 years!

I fully agree with the actions taken by the House, this 'little mind' man is a disgrace to the republican party and more so a disgrace to the people of our country.

His conduct is a total act of ignorance.

Posted by: fun1search | September 15, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Much as I disapprove of what he did during the speech, I have to admit Joe Wilson's move was brilliant. He's now a national star, and his financing problems are over. Sure, he helped his opponent for re-election, but his district is so heavily Republican he'll most likely still win. Wilson scored hugely with this move and I predict before long he'll be touted for President by the rabid right. Palin and Bachmann have a new competitor.

Given the huge success Wilson realized from this, they'll be fighting to see who can heckle the President first at his next speech.

Posted by: bpai_99 | September 15, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

The "wing-nuts" once again use any excuse to go off-topic to rant about their pet peeves. It's simple you morons--The House has a rule that states, among other things, that a member WILL NOT call the President of the United States a Liar while he is adressing a joint sesson of Congress. It's been there and respected for many years. Joe Wilson broke that rule. It matters NOT what party he belongs to--HE BROKE THE RULES they ALL agreed to obey for many, many years. Forget disagreement over policies or politics or anything else--JOE WILSON broke a long-standing rule! That's ALL that we're discussing here. What's your problem--aren't you people supposed to be the "LAW and ORDER" party? ! billion people SAW HIM DO IT! I'd be saying this if he was a Democrat (not "Democrate"--as that 'intellectual' SUZY666 always states). Do you know how stupid and rabid you look to the world when you try to defend/justify a juvenile rule-breaker in front of 1 billion witnesses around the world?

Posted by: billalves714 | September 15, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Had to laugh: Mr. Wilson's wife said after Mr. Obama’s speech, she asked her husband: “Joe, who’s the nut” who shouted at the president?”

Posted by: ralph5 | September 15, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Suzy722, enjoying yourself? You're scary. I think we can give our POTUS a little longer than 9 months to decide if we made the wrong choice. After all, Reagan, Clinton and Bush all got eight years, yes? You'll all be okay, calm down.

Posted by: gracie11 | September 15, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Hogwash - Wilson is a blowhard, a publicity hog and has no manners.

He's also guilty of aiding and abetting those whining subversives who persist in calling themselves 'conservatives.'

You want a Congressman who pops off all the time at inappropriate moments, don't you? This Congressman has apparently done that three or four times in the past. Well, the good people of South Carolina have got the Congressman they deserve, I reckon.

Nice try. When you don't have any good ideas, yell and scream; call people names and obfuscate; hold your breath till you turn blue a lot and just continue to yell 'No.'

The Republic Party and its whiny, subversive cronies have no good ideas. Their idea of a good idea is to scapegoat Hispanics and immigrants.

There's always a scapegoat, isn't there - and always a party and a group of demagogues willing to create one.

Hitler did it, with the Jews. The Eastern Europeans are doing it today with the Gypsies. And the so-called 'conservatives,' aided and abetted by what passes for the Republic Party today, is doing it with Hispanics and immigrants.

The new brownshirts are on the march - Joe Wilson threw in his lot with them. Let him stew with them.

It's time for people of goodwill to stand up and be counted. Otherwise, these new brownshirts will continue with their torch and pitchfork waving; and, complete with a bandwagon full of propaganda that the mob can climb up on and yell and scream about, will stand a fair chance of taking this Republic down the wrong road.

Stand up and be counted and let these cretins know that the vast majority of the American people has no truck with their hooliganism and thuggery. Otherwise, perhaps they will be coming for you, next.

We're all of us, unfortunately, this time at risk, with this one.

God save the Republic!

Posted by: TheWizard1 | September 15, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

This outburst would have gotten the average junior high student kicked out of assembly. If this were a sane world, the vote would not have been split on party lines. That's what is wrong with the Republican party.

Posted by: SarahBB | September 15, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

How hypocritical can you get? How often did you call President Bush a liar about various things. Now when your golden boy is called a liar, you're up in arms. Be consistent won' you.

Posted by: kaZy3391 | September 15, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Hogwash - Wilson is a blowhard, a publicity hog and has no manners.

He's also guilty of aiding and abetting those whining subversives who persist in calling themselves 'conservatives.'

You want a Congressman who pops off all the time at inappropriate moments, don't you? This Congressman has apparently done that three or four times in the past. Well, the good people of South Carolina have got the Congressman they deserve, I reckon.

Nice try. When you don't have any good ideas, yell and scream; call people names and obfuscate; hold your breath till you turn blue a lot and just continue to yell 'No.'

The Republic Party and its whiny, subversive cronies have no good ideas. Their idea of a good idea is to scapegoat Hispanics and immigrants.

There's always a scapegoat, isn't there - and always a party and a group of demagogues willing to create one.

Hitler did it, with the Jews. The Eastern Europeans are doing it today with the Gypsies. And the so-called 'conservatives,' aided and abetted by what passes for the Republic Party today, is doing it with Hispanics and immigrants.

The new brownshirts are on the march - Joe Wilson threw in his lot with them. Let him stew with them.

It's time for people of goodwill to stand up and be counted. Otherwise, these new brownshirts will continue with their torch and pitchfork waving; and, complete with a bandwagon full of propaganda that the mob can climb up on and yell and scream about, will stand a fair chance of taking this Republic down the wrong road.

Stand up and be counted and let these cretins know that the vast majority of the American people has no truck with their hooliganism and thuggery. Otherwise, perhaps they will be coming for you, next.

We're all of us, unfortunately, this time at risk, with this one.

God save the Republic!

Posted by: TheWizard1 | September 15, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

To bad it is now considered bad manners in the Senate to tell the truth.

Posted by: mont9744 | September 15, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

billalves do you know how child like you sound. He only said what millions have been saying . Turn around and take a look at the country. It's crumbling around this President and his town clowns, and they still don't get it. As far as the 3, 6's after my name I'll take them as a compliment because Obama surely has the mark of the beast as no one can say anything wrong about him. I know this man was wrong from the start, I didn't wish it I just didn't trust him from the start. So wake up billalves before it's to late or do you work for ACORN.

Posted by: suzy722 | September 15, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Go Joe!! enough with the bs,I've read every single comment on here and i'm sick of it. There's a reason Osamas approval ratings have dipped faster than any president in history. No not because he's black, try to get creative and think of a real idea before you just give up and pull the race card. People are tired of this big government takeover. Everyone needs a hand sometimes but,to think you can sit back and big government is gonna fix all your problems is a lazy and unproductive attitude. Try some hard work. That will get you further than any liars in suits will.

Posted by: virginiasteel | September 15, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I hope out of this whole mess a third party arises

Posted by: suzy722 | September 15, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

To paraphrase Barney Frank, I wonder what planet rgreyhardy spends most of his time on. After 30 years of beating the drum for deregulation, the Republicans aren't the dereg party? Debating with you would be like debating a dining room table. Except more informative.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | September 15, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Suzy722, enjoying yourself? You're scary. I think we can give our POTUS a little longer than 9 months to decide if we made the wrong choice. After all, Reagan, Clinton and Bush all got eight years, yes? You'll all be okay, calm down.

Posted by: gracie11 | September 15, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

"The Democrats taught the Republicans how to savage a President."
SanchoK
*******************************

No, the conservatives did that.
Remember the lies and abuse heaped on Clinton:
running drugs out of Mena
killing Vince Foster and faking his suicide (courtesy Falwell)
Gennifer Flowers going on cable tv telling us Clinton murders his enemies

But just as bad was the silence of the MSM n that.
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh091209.shtml

Posted by: edlharris | September 15, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Gracie I'll be here you will be the one Obama throws under the bus along with his grandmother . So here's a glass of Kool-aid for you , drink it slowly now. We wouldn't want you to get a brain freeze. LOL

Posted by: suzy722 | September 15, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

The lower half of the intelligence curve has internet connections, too, and can type. This is what we learn.

Let these idiots run their hero, Dick Cheney, or shut the f up.

Posted by: AIPACiswar | September 15, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of losers you are!!!! Wilson is a racist, plain and simple. A white S.C. congressman, attacks a Black President during a joint session of congress while it's being broadcast on nat'l TV. And for the 1st time ever that that's happened in recent history. If anybody thinks that this isn't a racist issue, you're dead wrong. And I'm a white from the North and I know it. No doubt. Ask Senator Wilson which "public" school his kids go to in S.C. and you'll know if he's a racist or not.

Posted by: jgrant1836 | September 15, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

One thing becomes very apparent in light of this whole name-calling affair. Republicans will stick with an ill-informed opinion, no matter what evidence is put before them. Here is the President assuring everyone, millions of people on prime-time TV, that illegals would not be eligible for his health plan, but Wilson was just too hard-headed to appreciate the gesture. Because of how pervasive this phenomenon is, it must be a genetic trait among Republicans. That would explain a lot. It is the same character flaw that compelled George Bush to attack Iraq, no matter how bad an idea that was or what evidence was presented to him. This is a dangerous trait for leaders and had dire consequences for the U.S in the last 8 years. Of course the only other explanation for this behavior is just plain deception and misinformation (aka, lying). In either case, these people have no business running our country.

Posted by: JimZ1 | September 15, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

And in regard to my recent post, I'm not just a northerner, I'm a northerner that works hard and makes in excess of $210,000 a year. Wilson is a racist, plain and simple. Impeach that SOB!!!

Posted by: jgrant1836 | September 15, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

President Barack Obama the Marxist Dictator is a habitual liar, he lies about everything! Just look at what he says he'll do and what he has done, it is the opposite and it shows by the fruit of his own doings!

Charlie Sheen challenges a Government Rep or 3 to debate him on the Larry King Show Live, to answer his 911 questions - no one is willing to take the challenge this tells me 911 was an inside job!

Posted by: PaulRevere4 | September 15, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

How can a man be a racist by calling the president a liar?

You are making this stuff up, and by doing that, tarnishing the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King.

Shame on you all for mixing this with racism. SHAME!

Posted by: jim000122 | September 15, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

And Wilson said that he had had a tough day - poor baby - attending Town Hall meetings in Columia; Beaufort and I thought he said Hilton Head Island (no matter on Hilton Head Island - Beaufort is close enough...).

What - Columbia is at one end of the state - Beaufort is clear across the other. Wilson - at least last time I looked (who knows - crazier things have happened in S. C.) - was a Representative; not a Senator.

Why is he attending every so-called Town Hall meeting in S. C.? Maybe he could also attend so-called Town Hall meetings, like that other nutcase, in Alaska, too.

And, even so, he couldn't figure out to just keep his mouth shut?

Nah, the man was ready - he was just looking for his opportunity - he was locked and loaded, like the rest of the crazies.

And when the time came, he was ready - and he went off...half-cocked; uncocked - uncorked - whatever...

What an idiot...

Posted by: TheWizard1 | September 15, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

USARMYRETIREDHARD:

From where do you get your health care ?

Presumably the VA.

Odd, how retired military, who served in the most "socialistic" element of the society, rail so hard against "socialism" and "paternalism."

Oh, well, and then the seniors object to "government provided health care" while tapping into Medicare.....

GK (a senior and ex US Army)

Posted by: IluvUSA | September 15, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, Joe Wilson's comments are seen as racist, but those of Serena Williams, and Kanye West this week are not. Interesting.

Posted by: steve321 | September 15, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

In the grand scheme of things what Joe Wilson did was rude and disrespectful but it wont matter much. What is truly stomach churning is the number of people willing to defend his idiotic outburst. Obama was gracious enough to accept his apology and asking for people to move on. In spite of his constantly offering an olive branch the rabid name calling keeps getting more and more virulent. Any hope for maturity on the part of his opponents? Or rational thought? I myself am not enamored of the man. I find him much too willing to offer an open hand instead of a fist and letting the crazies set the agenda. He is simply too nice for a country that is getting more uncivilized by the minute.

Posted by: serban1 | September 15, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I guess what most are saying is Joe Wilson and Joe Biden are alot alike .

Posted by: suzy722 | September 15, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Wilson Reprimanded by the House.
Let me see here; a body that has 75% disapproval rating from the American people stamps its disapproval in one of its members? Well, doesn't that automatically make that member have a 75% approval from the American people? Good for you Rep. Wilson. Keep speaking up and with some luck the House will keep censuring you, we are going to need you in 2012.

Posted by: JohnGalt9 | September 15, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

There's alot of Veterans that don't go to the VA. Many either have health care through employment or out of pocket. Elderly people have not choice , gov. has robbed them of their money years ago. What choice do they have. If Obama wants to get healthcare in order he should start with the transparent goverment that he was talking about. Hosp. are double billing medicare and medicade

Posted by: suzy722 | September 15, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh well everyone have a good nite. As for the Kool aid drinkers your Obama is going to appear on David Letterman trying to sell his healthcare bill. I think Obama should be the first to sign his family and his self up for it. Than at the end of his term he can let us know how it was. LOL

Posted by: suzy722 | September 15, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

No matter how you spin it, Joe Wilson showed poor manners.

Posted by: vmsdrs | September 15, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

For RAlph5:

Just like a liberal to have selective reading abilities.

Here's what you left out of the Factcheck.org article:

■The president said “no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions.” But the House bill would permit a “public option” to cover all abortions, and would also permit federal subsidies to be used to purchase private insurance that covers all abortions, a point that raises objections from anti-abortion groups. That’s true despite a technical ban on use of taxpayer dollars to pay for abortion coverage.
■The president repeated his promise that his plan won’t add “one dime” to the federal deficit. But legislation offered so far would add hundreds of billions of dollars to the deficit over the next decade, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
■The president overstated the degree of concentration in the insurance industry. He said that in 34 states the "insurance market" is controlled by five or fewer companies, but that’s true only of insurance bought by small groups, not the entire "insurance market."
■Obama said his plan won’t “require you or your employer to change the coverage or the doctor you have.” It’s true that there’s no requirement, but experts say the legislation could induce employers to switch coverage for millions of workers.

And with regard to illegals, the article went on to say:

However, conservative critics object to a lack of specific enforcement measures in the bill. They argue that the lack of a specific verification mechanism constitutes a loophole that would allow illegal immigrants to get benefits despite the legal prohibition. Republican Rep. Dean Heller of Nevada proposed an amendment to the bill that would have required the use of the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements program to check the citizenship of anyone applying for federal coverage or affordability credits. SAVE is the program used by Medicaid and similar entitlement programs. That amendment was voted down along party lines by the House Ways and Means Committee.

Republicans have a point here: More could be done to enforce the ban.

As for the example he gave of the guy who died waiting for treatment? Another piece of misinformation. Seems his speechwriters get their "facts" from Slate.com. In fact, the gentelmen lost his insurance in 2005, fought to get it back, was successful in getting it back in 2005, resumed chemotherapy, and died four years later...He DID NOT DIE waiting for treatment.

Facts are inconvenient things, especially for a President desperate to get back on track.

Posted by: boosterprez | September 15, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

The Obama administration has zero credibility. Look at those who supported it early on--Rezko, Blagojevich, Ayers...
Wilson was just stating what is obvious to anyone with half a brain.

Congress is a shameful entity full of crooks who would gleefully spend taxpayers money uselessly and it is getting more shameful by the day. It should go rebuke itself, not Joe Wilson.

Posted by: ttj1 | September 15, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I agree completely that Wilson needed a verbal haircut by his peers. He was wrong to do what he did. It is true that we have freedom of speech, but in a joint session of Congress, he did not have the floor. Like the bully he is, he chose to steal it in PUBLIC, and later, on being urged by his GOP peers to apologize, chose to do so in a PRIVATE phone call to the Chief of Staff. Then he could say, "Hey, I apologized, waddya want?" His peers were not satisfied, and they had recourse to show him the proof of it. DO note that 7 Republicans voted to admonish him so it's not all Democrats.

Posted by: cognitogrrl | September 15, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm so tired of all this. People need to educate themselves.

I've watched CSpan the past several years. Most of the time it is boring..but at the same time..it can be enlightning. I've heard all these Republicans acting out now. These are the same people who rubbed the Democrats noses in the fact that they couldn't do a darn thing..because the Repubs held the majority. They could do as they as they pleased.. And they did.

For the 8 years Bush and his gang were in the Whitehouse..the Repubs gave their "President" Cheney anything he wanted. Screw the Constitution, screw the Bill of rights. The Pres couldn't break the law..he's the Pres. Not what I was taught in school. The Repubs supported every lie that came out of the Whitehouse. I saw it happening..day after day.

I'm truly surprised at how many Military people support the Repubs. They have broken treatise..made it extremely dangerous for our soldiers if they are captured. The FACT that the Adminstration lied about why we went to war in Iraq...and thousands of our kids have died because of those lies..doesn't seem to bother military people at all. And they shout the loudest about being Patriots.

Well I am a patriot. I back our militay people 100%. And I think it a damn shame that their own people would continue to act like sheeple to the lies and distortions put out by the Repubs. It makes me wonder about the "best and brightest."

Politicians are politicians. The Dems have had their bad times too. But never like it is in this country today.

It took 30 years..for mainly Repub Presidents to get us where we are. You sheeple think Omama can change all that in a year. Grow up. The Repubs who had years to try and turn things around and didn't..are salivating at doing every thing they can to keep this mess going.

Where are their ideas? I haven't seen any....Do they care about me or my children and grandchildren.? I don't think so or they would jump in with both feet and do something positive.

I wish for 2 minutes Obama would act like Bush and Cheney and cram the health bill through. It can be tweaked later.

As it stands now..nothing is going through.

And Wilson deserves everything he gets. He was wrong..Period. I felt the house finally did something meaningful today. Good for them!!!

Posted by: Ferny1 | September 15, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

JOE WILSON will probably be the next USA President, while those who repremanded him will be shipped over to the Middle East to heard sheep , to run their corrupt un-American Cabals .

We are the USA, we are nephews of our Uncle Sam born on the 4 th of July.
We'll stick to our Yankee DOodle Dandy who tells the King to shove it with two words.

Why?
We are American first and that is the ultimate revolutionary when Government gets toooooooo big.


BEAR REVOLT was started by Veterans seeking to empower the active troops with a majority documentation of the majority's will of the people,
but was named whhen Pelosi went to THE BEAR REPUBLIC California , and threw imported ACORNS at their heads,
then called them astroturf , and walked on their backs with her spikey heels out the door , refusing to listen to them.

PETITION:

The REDRESS of the 2009 Federal Government of the United States of America
For NO CONFIDENCE
By the recall of :
The Congress, (all names listed both Partys)
The Hill , ( all names listed both Partys)
The Cabinet, (all names listed)
The Czars, ( all names listed)
Barack Hussein Obama ( all "currently" known names listed: Barack Hussein Soroeto, Barack Hussein Dunham )
The Republicans and the Democrats seated 2009 both are being recalled for No Confidence in the BEAR REVOLT clear documentation of the people's will in local County recordations offices, where an open ended Document can congeal all Petitions.

When pooled with other Countys, the people of the State can enter into the Library of Congress these "recorded documents" signed by all men, women, and children, who are victimized by the 2009 Federal Government, (instead of being represented), as the majority will of the people..

These Documents are a call for Redress of the 2009 Fed, for NO CONFIDENCE, by recalling them all
It accomplishes two tasks.

It shows eyes of the military sworn to uphold the US Constitution, a "well documented Majority will of the people", and it voids all of the signatures of this 2009 Fed.

It also allows the military to grant security, while a new emergency election is placed.

Posted by: dottydo | September 15, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Friday, September 11th
From NBC's Mike Viqueira
The White House tonight is providing the below clarification on what the president's health-care proposals would mean when it comes to the issue of illegal immigrants.

The question, as we all know, arises from the Wilson "You lie" outburst, and the core claim that notwithstanding specific bill language barring illegal immigrants from participating in the "exchange," as a practical matter, there is no way of verifying the citizenship of applicants -- which is the current state of play. Republicans say that then means illegal immigrants would end up being enrolled in plans -- bill language or no bill language.

Today, for the first time as far as we know, the administration is backing a provision that would require proof of citizenship before someone could enroll in a plan selected on the exchange. (aka, the Heller Amendment). Here, the administration also concedes that hospitals would be compensated with public funds for the care of undocumented immigrants.

The bullet points sent tonight by the White House:

•Undocumented immigrants would not be able to buy private insurance on the exchange. Those who are lawfully present in this country would be able to participate.
•Undocumented immigrants would be able to buy insurance in the non-exchange private market, just as they do today. That market will shrink as the exchange takes hold, but it will still exist and will be subject to reforms such as the bans on pre-existing conditions and caps.
•Verification will be required when purchasing health insurance on the exchange. One option is the SAVE program (Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements) which states currently use to make sure that undocumented immigrants don't participate in safety-net programs for which they are ineligible.
•There would be no change in the law that requires emergency rooms to treat people who need emergency care, including undocumented immigrants. There is already a federal grant program that compensates states for emergency room costs associated with treatment of undocumented immigrants, a provision sponsored by a Republican lawmaker.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/09/11/2065287.aspx

See, two days after the speech, the White HOuse thought it over, and said 'looks like Mr. Wilson has a point here' and made the necessary corrections.

I'd say the House owes Mr. Wilson an apology.

Posted by: boosterprez | September 15, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of losers you are!!!! Wilson is a racist, plain and simple. A white S.C. congressman, attacks a Black President during a joint session of congress while it's being broadcast on nat'l TV. And for the 1st time ever that that's happened in recent history. If anybody thinks that this isn't a racist issue, you're dead wrong. And I'm a white from the North and I know it. No doubt. Ask Senator Wilson which "public" school his kids go to in S.C. and you'll know if he's a racist or not.

Posted by: jgrant1836

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Did you bother to ask President Obama which public school he sent his kids to while his cronies were busy ripping off the Illinois Teacher's Pension Board in that 'Northern' city called Chicago? If you did, you'd know that Obama sent his kids to private schools because the public schools in his district were underfunded.

Posted by: ttj1 | September 15, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

rebuke away. He deserves it. Only a repug would stoop so low to treat a president in this way. And by the way, Maureen Dowd is right: the unspoken word hung heavily in the air: "you lie (boy)!" for after all, this is the same guy who did everything to keep that sick vicious racist symbol, the good ole rebel flag, a flyin atop the statehouse in Colombia, or whatever the hell the capitol is of that backassward backwater.


Boosterprez: mentally ill or just extremely small of brain?

Posted by: 1180 | September 15, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama IS A LIAR. The House will Not officially exclude Illegal Aliens. Two votes to put language excluding Illegals in the bill have gone down in defeat. We DO NOT NEED A HEALTH CARE REFORM BILL AS ONLY 12MILLION PEOPLE ARE OFFICIALLY WITHOUT SOME TYPE OF CARE. BIG DEAL. HEALTH CARE IS NOT A RIGHT. IT IS A PRIVILEGE..

Posted by: dave481
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AND SINCE YOU DO NOT HAVE A BRAIN, YOU ARE A MORON.

Posted by: michael4 | September 15, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

How effective is this House and Congress?

Patrick Swayze upstaged Obama and this Congress. He was more relavant than they are.

What they think is so important in quashing free speech , is only a nulled signature coming soon from the Majority.
It looks very probable that No incumbant will be invited back.

Any that make it back , will see the criminal convictions they all deserve staring them in the face from their new peers.

The fresh and new Government will include Jowe WIlson, but no one else unless they man up.

Posted by: dottydo | September 15, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

This South Carolina Representative called the President of the United States a liar (you lie) during his speech before the House. This US Representative, who expects the people of his state to respect him, disrespected the Commander in Chief and leader of the free world. This Representative took the pledge of office to defend America against enemies, both foreign and domestic. He has every right to disagree with the President or anyone else, but the manner in which he did it was totally disrespectful and out of order for one who holds public office. If this were not America, where there is still some civility because of the light of Christ, this man might not have been able to leave the room without serious consequences.
His example for the rest of America is nothing short of childish, inappropriate and wrong!

Posted by: yeslovelife | September 15, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Wilson is no better than the Iraqi shoe-thrower.

Posted by: hithere2 | September 15, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

dottydo...your "documents" and writings are treasonous. I hope you are found and prosecuted. You're also stupid, arrogant and a narcissist. You do not speak for me.

Posted by: michael4 | September 15, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

All Americans know that Marxist Dictator Pres. Barack Obama is a habitual liar by the fruit of his own doings!
Joe Wilson simply muttered and outburst of truth!

Charlie Sheen challenges a Government Rep or 3 to debate him on the "Larry King Show Live", to answer his 911 questions that he asked the President that are still unanswered - No one is willing to take the challenge! "This tells me 911 was an inside job! "

Posted by: PaulRevere4 | September 15, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Well folks, the level of discourse here is a mite higher than many online boards. Thanks for trying, those of you who did. I am a fan of civility and actual discussion and taking the initiative away from the partisan screeching gotcha posters that lurk everywhere they can anonymously post. Here's my OPINION - 1) Joe Wilson committed an unparalleled act of disrespect on an international stage. 2) Censure, OK, I think it deserves that, but not a floor apology. He already apologized, and it was accepted. End of story, grow up, move on. 3) I am alarmed at the militaristic vitriol expressed by so many. Relax. Work within the system that has served us well for over 200 years. Be an adult and a good example to our children.
Here's to a bright future where intellect prevails over emotional polemics.

Posted by: OpinionsAreNotFacts | September 15, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Get off the band wagon and open your eyes. Is everything "Mr. Prez" do so perfect. Let's not go there. Demos and Repubs are all alike. Why can one side do it and the other can't. Double standards. When are you folks going to see what is really going on? Doesn't Congress have more important things to do than deal with Wilson? Are they and the media just trying to distract us from the real issues? Besides, why is health care reform something that has to be accomplisehed right NOW? Oh yea, I forgot, because "The Prez" says so and we all must do as we're told or risk being shipped of to Siberia. Settle down and smell the roses!!! Let's move on to what really matters.

Posted by: Sauvecito | September 15, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I cannot believe congress is wasting their time trying to make Joe Wilson,"A true Hero' look bad when there are so many things they can be doing. I say another film on Corrupt Acorn today, instead of investigating them more, Really I think we need no more investigating, what I've seen already is enough. Shame on congress and the president for not doing something about the corruption that surronunds the president. I was never so ashamed for my elected officials

Posted by: Observer61 | September 15, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Boosterprez:

It was the president's speech and he can say his peace. That's his job. It is not his job to be heckled by small men like J. Wilson. Obama was addressing Congress not some townhall event. Wilson was so out of line and still is as he profits from his infraction. He broke the House rules as he damn well better pay the price.

Speaking of which, register your disdain for the crude antics of GOP fanatics like Wilson. Go to: robmillerforcongress.com/sunset.html

Posted by: tfburke19 | September 15, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Dear Boosterprez,
I didn't 'Leave out' anything. You made the claim that factcheck.org proved the President was lying when he said the bill did not allow illegal immigrants to get healthcare.
YOU WERE THE LIAR. Factcheck did NOT say what you claimed. Joe Wilson is being berated for claiming President Obama lied when he said the line about illegal immigrants, but factcheck proved that you and wilson are the liars on that point.

Posted by: ralph5 | September 15, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

The real hypocracy is that the President has not appologized to the Republican leadership for calling them liars and dimissing legitimate concerns of ordinary citizens. He knows that the answers to those questions are not as clear cut as he put it and outright dishonest in the way he positioned it. If he has said that there are concerns but here is his plans to address those concerns. The Republicans have proposed some amendments that would make the exclusion of illegal aliens clear, that abortions will not be covered clear and that the Public option MUST be self-funding vs his add-on comment that if it did not he would get money from other places. That is mot a must be self funding statement. He also mis-represented the Republicans efforts to bring proposals to the table.

I agree that Wilson was out of line with his outburst and should have appologize to the House - but sitting there listening to President's Obama's sales pitch that shades the truth and fails to acknowledge the debate input from Americans. Be serious about building this the right way. First stage - PROVE that you can cut waste and alow the poor to participate in Medicade to a greater extent. Then move to the next phase instead of trying to WIN the game and get his name and legacy cemented in history.

Posted by: lynnman1 | September 15, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

better get my gun

Posted by: dmls2000 | September 15, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

The only nice thing I can say about Wilson is he's a piece of crap ... he should be told to recite Lincolns Gettysburg Address to Congress. The South lost the Civil war, last November the Republicans lost the elections ... try to be a man and face facts "Cracker"

Posted by: wasaUFO | September 15, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Look at section 246 in hr3200. This proves Wilson wrong. If anyone refers to section 152 concerning discrimination then just remember that section 246 overrides 152. Does it not disturb anyone else that this person who was a judge for 3 years has so little control over themselves and is unable to read a bill and understand it?

Posted by: yomama533 | September 15, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

President Obama Has done a lot of things; but, He did not attack Iraq or Afghanistan, or read to school kids while four planes circled around the United States hi-jacked oh and he did not toture terrorist!!!!

Posted by: aggiephysics | September 15, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

"Where can I get a Joe Wilson hat?
I'm with him. The time has passed for niceties and gentility."

Let me see if I have this straight. Joe Wilson, a U.S. Congressman and an elected representative of (some) Americans clearly violated established rules of decorum in an unprecedented and shameful way on national television. He admitted the next day that his party leadership made him "apologize." He immediately went out in public, painted himself as a martyr, and exploited his "loss of control" to make money. Now he's a hero to many conservatives everywhere and a big, sleazy crybaby to the other 70 percent of us.

Mr. Wilson has received a slap on the wrist for violating established rules, never mind behaving like a rabid buffoon.

And now the party of "Personal Responsibility" thinks it's time to throw out the rule book.

So what DO you think crosses the line? Throwing shoes? Throwing tomatoes? Throwing rocks? Caning your opponents?

Or are you advocating. . . well, need I say it?

Take a good look at the Republican party, America. Your vote no longer matters because anything goes in the pursuit of extreme partisanship for people who lack principles, integrity, and ideas. These "patriots" are now literally advocating anarchy.

Heartbreaking.

Posted by: BlueDog1 | September 16, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

STATES RIGHTS
SILENT MAJORITY
MORAL MAJORITY
SOUTHERN STRATEGY
LAW AND ORDER
FAMILY VALUES

all of the above are republican buzzwords for their basic political philosophy since
Nixon.

that basic philosophy is RACISM.
it's been the republican way for 40 years.
don't expect it to change anytime soon.

Posted by: surlydoc | September 16, 2009 1:53 AM | Report abuse

I watched the speeches made yesterday by the Republicans in support of Joe Wilson, and it is evident to me why the Republicans lost. His behavior toward the President was inexcusable, but his Republican colleagues managed to make excuses for him, trying to say the President started it by calling them liars (can anyone say "GROW UP"). What the President said was that he would call out those who sought to sabotage the health care debate by misrepresenting the bill's provisions. He did not stand, point his finger in their direction and yell, "YOU LIE". Jimmie Carter has it right, it is a matter of race.

Posted by: 78vette | September 16, 2009 6:00 AM | Report abuse

I watched the speeches made yesterday by the Republicans in support of Joe Wilson, and it is evident to me why the Republicans lost. His behavior toward the President was inexcusable, but his Republican colleagues managed to make excuses for him, trying to say the President started it by calling them liars (can anyone say "GROW UP"). What the President said was that he would call out those who sought to sabotage the health care debate by misrepresenting the bill's provisions. He did not stand, point his finger in their direction and yell, "YOU LIE". Jimmie Carter has it right, it is a matter of race.

Posted by: 78vette | September 16, 2009 6:01 AM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson's comments were made in his righteous indignation that a black man was president and the PERMISSION for it he felt among his fellow republicans.

Like it or not, republicans have been tinged with racism since Ronald Reagan ARRIVED campaigning against poor black women, and refused to ever meet with the Congressional Black Caucus. It raised its ugly head with the McCain Palin rallies, and it has only grown with the hate filled rants of Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck, and the religious right's all white presence in condemning various groups of fellow Americans for votes, gays, blacks, veterans, hispanics, all immigrants, women, labor, lesbians, and anyone left of Atilla the Hun.

Morning Joe is ranting this morning cause Jimmy Carter spoke the truth. If there are any republican statesmen out there, they do themselves and their party a dis-service ignoring the obvious. If their all white march on DC this Saturday did nothing more, it proved that this so called 'surge' of discontent is first and foremost racist; and only secondly fired up by the insurance companies and lobbiests and republican search for meaning.

Posted by: dutchess2 | September 16, 2009 6:36 AM | Report abuse

"How hard is it to say you are sorry (again) to smooth over a situation?"

It is very hard to say you're sorry when the apology involves acknowledging the superior status of a "Negro."

Posted by: uh_huhh | September 16, 2009 6:46 AM | Report abuse

Armao gets it exactly right. Both in her initial reaction and in her reconsideration. This is not to say that Wilson will not get some additional mileage over extending his 15 minutes of fame, which brings in my ambivalence again.

But, it is clear that Wilson's motives and insincere apology may have led to the need to draw a line in the sand, so that Congress does not become an Animal House of boorish behavior.

The simplest thing would have been for Wilson to apologize at the well and let this thing pass. But, it seems that no good opportunity for coarsening our national conversation is passed up by those who are fighting a rearguard action, whose line can be drawn from integration in the military in WWII to opposition to the Voting Rights Act, anti-segregation, and cultural warfare issues, etc.

This has sustained the Republican party on the vapors of cultural resentment, rather than finding a new high octane fuel of reinventing the party brand out from under its Atwater and Rove past. Perhaps, Wilson and his cohorts will get some additional mileage out of this demagoguery, and in retrospect it might have been better for the Democrats to drop the matter, but I do see some value in turning over the rock to see the infection.

Most commentators I think miss the mark on just how much of this opposition is historical and how much is racially tinged, but I thought that Jonathan Alter on the Maddow show last night came up with the right balance-- including the importance of "a light touch" in dealing with these issues (his comments at the end of a long, but edifying background given by Maddow):

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/09/rachel_maddow_and_jonathan_alt.php

One problem I have had with Maddow in the past, however, is giving political air to Ron Paul, who is still active in John Birch politics, as evidenced by his August 21st speech given to Birchers in Houston available on Youtube. He previously was their keynoter at their 50th anniversary bash.

Posted by: Jeff-for-progress | September 16, 2009 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Here's a new ides, lets censur the person telling the lies. Of course, that would mean about 90% of the congress, presiden and I would say Joe Biden but he keeps letting the cat out of the bag. Joe Wilson heard all he could stand and had to speak up for Americans. The people being censured should be Nancy Pisoli and Harry Reed, every time they open their mouths there are more and more lied just rolling out and poluting our country.

Posted by: jmsmaxwell | September 16, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

The idea that Obama made a "partisan" speech, because he defended health care reform from an increasingly absurd list of lies is completely disingenuous. It's part of a President's job to advocate policy and to defend it when the policy is slandered. Of course, we can understand why Republicans are confused; they like to come out swinging with lies to sell the policy, think Iraq War, and then when criticized accuse their detractors of being cowardly and unpatriotic.

Posted by: Koko3 | September 16, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

It is very reassuring to know our leaders in Washington and the esteemed journalists at the Post, are working on the rude outburst of a congressman during the President's speech. Maybe when they are done codifying civil speech in the chambers, they can move on to more trivial business.

So how much money should the government be giving to community activists? How should federal tax dollars be administered, and there use supervised to make sure we are getting a good deal? Why does it take a pair of 20-something amateurs to do what congress should be doing?

Good to know congress is concerned with more important things. Not to mention, the Post.

Posted by: rwyoung | September 16, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

So the writer concludes:
How hard is it to say you are sorry (again) to smooth over a situation? Isn’t that what our mothers told us to do? The Republicans, though, preferred to rail on about how much time the House was wasting talking about the measure -- not realizing how silly they looked taking up so much time to rail about the Democrats. ==========================

Apparently impossible if there is a "D" after your name. When will Nancy Pelosi apologize for referring to grey haired protesters of Medicare rationing as Nazis? Or for Harry Reid to state on the floor of the Senate "the war is lost" while we have troops on the ground. The list could go on.

This outrage over incivility is both partisan and situational. Wilson DID apologize and it was accepted. Get over it.

Now lets stop being played by both sides and determine why a government that borrows 40 cents of every dollar it spends has to increase spending as an answer to every issue. Waste and corruption on both sides has to stop and the budget has to be brought under control before we are all spent into serfdom to the Chinese government.

Posted by: WAPOpine | September 16, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Hey Blue Dog #1 : What makes you think 70% of the country consists of commie sympathizers like you? In fact, your name would have been "RED Dog" if the Democrat party hadn't raised such a stink in 1990 when the color coding of the political parties was reversed - people noticed that "red" (the color of the Communist party) was right in line with the nomination of the socialist Dukakis in 1988. Republicans, being the adults in the room, capitulated out of polity.

Posted by: ddaly7 | September 16, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

The bottomline: YOU take responcibility for YOUR actions. Joe Wilson broke a rule and should accept the consequences.

As for the comments that racism was behind Joe Wilson's actions: STOP. YOU can't prove "motive". This is a conversation that should take place with those who can judge your credibility, not displayed on the web under the guise of a "login name" without any personal accountability attached to your comments. Again, YOU take responcibility for YOUR actions.

Shannon Givens
Oklahoma City, OK

Posted by: OK4obama | September 16, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't crazy about this reprimand at first, but let's face it - if the guy can't man up enough to apologize in front of the same body he made a fool of himself in front of (minus the Senate, the Prez, VP, and national TV audience), go for it.

Posted by: ravensfan20008 | September 16, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Side question. Has Joe Wilson apologized for his disparaging comments about Strom Thurmond's daughter? In light of Thrumond's daughter, has he condemned Strom Thurmond's reprehensible behavior concerning race? If not, Joe Wilson acts as if he is a very bad man.

Posted by: Riograd | September 16, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Wilson is a victim of the Negro Interest which has taken the 2008 election as a mandate to attack whites. It won't work. Wilson is a hero to most of us.

Posted by: ravitchn | September 16, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

New Headline:So called Republicans and Conservatives show a continuing hatred of the people...
We have lost our way in this country when we do not accept responsibility for our civility. No wonder, we produce angry, vulgar, dangerous young people who we see on TV. Look at the mirror of our society in Our Congress, it's not good. We have finally received a President who tries to say return to civility and decency. Yes, he is Our President. I never learned to disown a President based on race or sexual orientation. Maybe because it was not an option. We can always disagree about politics, but I am angry that the distortions are meant to create unwarranted fear. Those who accept rules are part of "civilized" people and enlightened. Life is short! Do the right thing-it's not worth selling out the entire nation just for a "political" point of view.

Posted by: vparnett | September 16, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

What kind of punishment is that? A slap on the hand , Rep Wilson has done it in the pass and will Keep On Keeping On, doing the same thing, and yes it was because of Race, did he ever do it to a white man?
If it walk's and talk's like a duck it is a What?

Posted by: onesugar1 | September 16, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Joe who?

Posted by: deepthroat21 | September 16, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

This whole thing could have been avoided if Obama had given strictly a policy speech, instead of resorting to political name-calling. He basically called Republicans liars in the speech...they should just sit there and take it???

In my opinion, Obama abused the well of the Congress. It should be used strictly for SOTU speeches or national emergencies. This speech was an attempt at saving his political career, nothing more.

Shame on him and good for Joe Wilson. This whole episode has likely hurt Democrats more than Republicans.

~~~

And you are in Denial. Several GOP members went out into their Districts and held town hall meetings and directly mislead and informed these people who things that were not true concerning Medicare and Death Panels. I sat in my kitchen listening to the scumbags for two weeks straight.

And furthermore, President Obama never once called out the culprits by name that were presenting this false information.

As for as I am concerned, the President needed to bring this to the attention of the public during his speech, at least to those millions of people that didn't get to sit in front of their televisions during the weeks these town hall sessions were going on.

You people are experts at trying to be disingenuous.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | September 16, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

This whole thing could have been avoided if Obama had given strictly a policy speech, instead of resorting to political name-calling. He basically called Republicans liars in the speech...they should just sit there and take it???

In my opinion, Obama abused the well of the Congress. It should be used strictly for SOTU speeches or national emergencies. This speech was an attempt at saving his political career, nothing more.

Shame on him and good for Joe Wilson. This whole episode has likely hurt Democrats more than Republicans.

~~~

And you are in Denial. Several GOP members went out into their Districts and held town hall meetings and directly mislead and informed these people who things that were not true concerning health care reform (Medicare service cuts and Death Panels). I sat in my kitchen listening to the scumbags for two weeks straight.

And furthermore, President Obama never once called out the culprits by name that were presenting this false information, during his speech.

As far as I am concerned, the President needed to bring this to the attention of the public during his speech, at least to those millions of people that didn't get to sit in front of their televisions during the weeks these town hall sessions were going on.

You people are experts at being disingenuous.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | September 16, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Because I, like President Carter and Joe Wilson was born and raised as a WASP, I KNOW that Wilson is a semi-closet Racial Bigot (Heck - - just look at his political history).
Several of us former WASPS matured out of that mind(less) set.
Apparently, few South Carolinian Politicians and voters made it.

Posted by: lufrank1 | September 16, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

It is fascinating that the post is devoting so much time to the rude outburst of a single congressman. It is a sign of the consanguineous relationship between the insulated press and politicians of Washington. Surly there is more important news that needs investigating. Do you not get that ACORN and other corrupt waste is what the country is REALLY concerned about?

The press and politicians just do not get it. The attitude is ignorant, arrogant, and perhaps even provincial.

Posted by: rwyoung | September 16, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Employees at no fewer than four ACORN offices have been caught on videotape advising a man and a woman on how to skirt federal law to obtain housing and operate a brothel — but you'd hardly know it if all you watch and read are the mainstream media, conservative media critics say.

"A major national scandal and none of the broadcast networks is covering it," said Dan Gainor, vice president for business and culture at the Media Research Center. "This is the news media in the era of Van Jones and President Obama. The major outlets cover what they want and create the themes they want."

A search of transcripts through Monday at NBC, CBS and MSNBC revealed no national TV coverage of the growing ACORN scandal. CNN and ABC, meanwhile, have run some segments on the matter, including a quick mention during Saturday's "Good Morning America."

Posted by: lucygirl1 | September 16, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Those Republicans came in with their signs made ("what bill?") and their floppy copies of the bill. They were ready to act, and I'll bet you a million that Joe Wilson and his buddies at the very least discussed ahead of time his calling Obama a liar, if they didn't plan the entire thing. Check the smirks on the faces of the guys sitting around him. No one was surprised.


Posted by: mcleangirl | September 16, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Show me a politician who doesnt lie ! Then show me a politician who isnt in this as a career. There arent any,None of these embarrassments care about the average American. They are above us and continually flaunt it. Imagine a man placed in charge of the treasury that was a tax cheat. or liar as the word du jour requires. And politician after politician eludes taxes, takes bribes, and money from lobbyists. And guess what....Democrats and republicans both have these pompous , self righteous demogogues crapping all over them. We do NOTHING ! They know we will do nothing ! This administration and congress has spent more money than all combined administrations and congress in the past. And we do nothing. Pelosi and Reid arrogantly maintain ownership of a senate and congress that has the lowest approval rating in history. They would have been fired by now if they were in the private sector for this lack of leadership and mismanagement. So why are we putting up with this crooked bunch of Lyars, tax cheats, felons, druggies and social deviates? Get rid of them and start right in our own home states. make them nervous nd write to them and tell them about your anger and frustration with the petty partisan politics ruining our childrens and their childrens future. Strap on a set America !!!

Posted by: livefreeordie2 | September 16, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

USArmyRetiredHard - Since when do dog faces no anything about civil behavior. Joe Wilson was out of line

Posted by: classicskins | September 16, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

lufrank1 wrote "several of us former WASPS matured from that mindset.
WASPS founded this country and allow people like you to stay. But that may change you Homo.....

Posted by: livefreeordie2 | September 16, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"Wilson is a victim of the Negro Interest which has taken the 2008 election as a mandate to attack whites.


Negro interest? Is this 1954?

Posted by: Hillman1 | September 16, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

>>>He basically called Republicans liars in the speech...they should just sit there and take it???

Yes.

Posted by: 1EgoNemo | September 16, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Wilson is a retired Army Colonel. Picture him at a meeting with fellow officers and the General is talking and Wilson yells YOU LIE
He would have a REAL BIG REAL BIG problem. Obama is the Commander in Chief.

I believe however it was a southern raciest comment. He is having problems dealing with a black president

I am white

Posted by: Jglasse | September 16, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

The 'real politic' Mr. Armao is that the so called "leader" of the GOP in the House "deserves it".
... 'Joey Boy' is 'expendable'.
.. So is Boehner. ... Now.

Posted by: deepthroat21 | September 16, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse


Totally waste of time.
Dems need to chill out.
There are other important bills to work on and they are spending time on Wilson.

Dems better be careful 2010 is around the corner.

Posted by: 68b2b | September 16, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I guess apologizing for his actions and the president accepting it just wasn't enough for the liberal Democrats that control congress.....

After his apology, the president took the high road and said "let's move on..."

But, the petty politicians that control congress just couldn't let it pass without rubbing Joe Wilson and the Republican party's nose in it.....

Makes you wonder who the REAL culprits of partisan politics are...

Now, they have admonished a guy who has taken responsibility for his actions (dumb as they were)....

That's real legislation...they must be proud.

Healthcare reform will be a real "chip shot" for the democratic leaders that spanked Joe Wilson's evil fanny....

When Barack Obama was sworn in, I'm sure he knew it would be difficult to pass his legislation with the challenge the Republican party poses....

But, I wonder what he thinks about the petty and childish behavior that he has to deal with in his own party....

Posted by: bucsdad | September 16, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

This whole thing could have been avoided if Obama had given strictly a policy speech, instead of resorting to political name-calling. He basically called Republicans liars in the speech...they should just sit there and take it???

In my opinion, Obama abused the well of the Congress. It should be used strictly for SOTU speeches or national emergencies. This speech was an attempt at saving his political career, nothing more.

Shame on him and good for Joe Wilson. This whole episode has likely hurt Democrats more than Republicans.

Posted by: boosterprez
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So you are saying that Obama had no right to challenge those who have lied? You're Republican, right? I can tell becuase you think lies should be allowed to stand.

Posted by: alysheba_3 | September 16, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Totally waste of time.
Dems need to chill out.
There are other important bills to work on and they are spending time on Wilson.

Dems better be careful 2010 is around the corner.
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WHY 68b2b?

Are you going to start Lynching people again??

ISA

Posted by: Issa1 | September 16, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

USArmyretiredhard - thank you for your service and protecting our freedom.

Posted by: DoubledownDC | September 16, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I find myself wondering if the common thread that binds Kanye West and Faux Joe Wilson is . . . alcohol.

Posted by: mattintx | September 16, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

US ARMY RETIRED HARD

So here is my question to Mr. US Army Retired Hard from another US ARMY STILL ACTIVE>

BUlly for your. But would you ever accept one of your soldiers shouting out at you with such blatent disrespect, be they think they are speaking the truth or not.

I DOUBT SO....
So cut with the retired ARMY. Joe Wilson was in the service. As a Military man would Joe Wilson think it acceptable for any of his sons to do such shout outs to their commanders.

His behabior was disrespectful and repugnant.

He violated House Rules, another thing that an Army person would know if not correct.

We are a nation of rules and laws, and I doubt that Joe Wilson truly supports the idea that anyone under any circumstances can just blatently shout out as he did without catching some slack.

Posted by: kare1 | September 16, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Dear Jesus,

Please give your distraught, overwrought, glock-toting Huckabee followers some solace in the reality that there's only about three and one half more years of Obama's presidency and that they no know how to never allow another person of color to become President again.

Please protect the President and the rest of us from Limbaugh's Lemmings, oh Lord, who are worked up into such a frenzy of hate and anger, they can not even tell the difference between what is adolescent and what is decorum in the house chamber. Protect us from those racists who made Joe Wilson a hero.

Protect us, Jesus, from their hatred, frustration, denial and delusion that Lord Cheney is still in charge and that they can undo last November's election by Fox News propaganda and even, God forbid,
assassination followed by civil war. Amen.

Posted by: coloradodog | September 16, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Here it is: "SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS. Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." (http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf, p. 243).

Opponents expressing differences of opinion about just what should constitute documentation when seeking Federal payments is reasonable. Joe Wilson shouting out "Liar!" when President Obama says exactly what is in the bill is something else altogether. Wilson apologists who claim Democrats did the same to Bush when he addressed Congress need to provide proof, i.e., a link to a video excerpt where that actually happened. Otherwise people might think you're all ... liars.

Posted by: multiplepov | September 16, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Now we have President Carter stating that Sen. Wilson's comment was motivated by race.

Why not have the President get Carter and Wilson togeather and have a "Peanut Butter sandwich" summit to clear the air.

Posted by: travisg2 | September 16, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Now we have President Carter stating that Sen. Wilson's comment was motivated by race.

Why not have the President get Carter and Wilson togeather and have a "Peanut Butter sandwich" summit to clear the air.

Posted by: travisg2 | September 16, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

We hear all this stuff about Wilson and his supporters not being racist.

Then the day after the vote some goon beats up a black female soldier at a Cracker Barrel.

You think this fellow listens to NPR, drives a Volvo and sips chardonnay? Or does he watch Fox News, listen to Rush Limbaugh, vote Republican and Idolize Joe Wilson?

The right has gone racist that is all there is to it.

Posted by: colonelpanic | September 16, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I do not support the Presidents Health Care Plan.

I have heard many of his promises made on the vote getting trial broken.

I do not like his political agenda.

I like vanilla ice cream more than chocolate.

But..strange as it seems..I AM NOT A racist.

I just have an opinion.

Posted by: travisg2 | September 16, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I could only have respected Wilson if he'd dropped the F bomb with it.

Posted by: nuke41 | September 16, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't think JOE WILSON should have apologized nor should he have abstained from yelling at the top of his lungs at the Joint session, whatever came to his mind. In fact shouting at the President should be encouraged at all times. May I just say that they should have a good stack of shoes available at all times, so that Joe Wilson and his like can chuck a few at the President? It is a shame that there were none this tme, but may be next time? Then we can join those Iraqis who obviously have a lot of respect and manners for the Office of the President. Hey! If you can't beat them, join them! Have we gone completely mad, and become hoodlums? What kind of example are we setting our kids?

Posted by: chayaJ | September 16, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

The race card is nothing more than a diversion. The Democrats don't want anybody to realize that the reason Wilson shouted out "You lie" is because Obama was lying. They instead wish to say it was pure racism, that the only problem Wilson had was the fact that Obama was black. So does that mean all the democrats who were even more rude to President George W. Bush were racist against white people? I'm not giving Wilson the go-ahead to pull stunts like these; there are rules for a reason. But the fact of the matter is he apologized to who the offensive call was targeted at: OBAMA. Obama accepted his apology, maybe it was sincere maybe it wasn't, but this is getting blown way out of proportion and should just be stopped before it hurts either party anymore than it already has.

Posted by: scorchx7 | September 16, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

The responses here seem overwhelmingly in favor of Joe Wilson. Most, however, seem to be overlooking a teensy little apparently insignificant fact: Wilson was wrong, plain and simple. Read the bill, it clearly states that illegals are not covered. Wilson merely showed himself to be easily guided by emotional platitudes than by facts.

For that matter, a question to those of you posting support on this blog: Have any of you actually READ the bill? I have, and am comfortable that what I am saying is indeed factual. Most of the comments here are little more than repeats of the ill-reasoned factally challenged and fundamentally incorrect arguments made by sleazy radio and talk show hosts (yes, I mean Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh, for starters). The only thing I see worthy of concern on this blog are the sheer numbers of people incapable of coherent thought, the number who fall for their drivel.

Posted by: seegeedubya | September 16, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

HEALTH CARE IS NOT A RIGHT. IT IS A PRIVILEGE..

Posted by: dave481

______________________________________________

My God, man. How on earth can you actually think that? Explain to me please exactly how some "deserve" this privilege while others don't? In our current system, it's all based on having the right job. Really? That's how we determine who gets to live and who gets to die? Because I happen to have the right job?

Just a guess here, but you happen to have one of those "right" jobs, like I do? I wonder if you might have a different opinion if you had a job that didn't provide health care for you? Or if you hadn't sold your soul? How much did you get for it, anyway?

Posted by: lincolnhunt | September 16, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

sadkerson wrote: "The president is a LIAR!.. he has brokeN every campaign promise that he used to get elected... WAKE UP AMERICA AND SEE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!"

The Right is just so crazy, it is beyond belief. He's broken campaign promises? Which ones do you mean? In any case, from 12:01 on January the 20th, the Right has been urging him (or even DEMANDING) that he not carry out his agenda. Obama will vindicate Bush by keeping his policies, they told us. Of course that hasn't happened, but it is just really ridiculous to now hear them condemn him for not keeping promises, the very ones they have been urging him not to keep. Is it just major cognitive dissonance, or do these people just assume that they can say countless contradictory things and nobody will even notice?

Posted by: marecek | September 17, 2009 3:56 AM | Report abuse

boosterprez,

Obama merely called out the lies being spread and voiced his disappointment in those spreading the lies as facts. There's nothing wrong with calling a lie a lie.

Wilson's problem is that he scream during a statement that was factually accurate, making him look even worse.

Posted by: mattdevir | September 17, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

I recall Democrats booing President Bush at a State of the Union address, and afterwards all of them patted each other on the backs and congratulated themselves.

Let's offer a sense of reality before we have the political stoning here.

Was the comment out of place yes; was it a felony? Hell no.

Posted by: AlongTheWatchTowers | September 17, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Like President Carter, I am white. (I say this, because what follows will no doubt be balked at by conservative readers as just another pissed off black person.) Also like President Carter, I too believe that Joe Wilson's outburst came not from his disagreement over the policy question but rather from the fact that a black man is President. It is very obvious that much of the Republican party is based on hate and bigotry. (All I need to do is listen to my disgraceful conservative family - all Republicans - in the Midwest address our President in racial slurs to know that.)

As for those who admonish President Obama's speech as "not sticking to policy", why shouldn't the President confront the ridiculous statements Republicans have been stating about health care reform? Do Republicans ever stick just to policy points? Not that I know of. And as for those who are waiting for Democrats to apologize for the bailout or for public education or for civil rights - why should Democrats apologize for something that they do to further this country? Did a single Republican ever apologize for lying about weapons of mass destruction or for starting a war that has taken thousands and thousands of lives? No.

Since Obama's win in the race for President, it has become painfully obvious that Republicans are the new KKK party. While they may not lynch - at least not publicly anymore - the hate is the same. So why don't Republicans just admit to the fact - they are a hate group. Plain and simple. Stop rejecting the truth, because the only person you're fooling is yourself.

Posted by: ADH1 | September 17, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"He (Obama) basically called Republicans liars in the speech...they should just sit there and take it???"

What is "basically"? Is saying "not true" the same as saying "you lie"?
Childish comparison IMO.

Posted by: knjincvc | September 17, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

boosterprez: your argument about reform inducing big corporations to change insurance plans was totally bogus. I've worked for big corporations about half my 30-year career, and they all changed insurance providers every few years ANYWAY, playing them off against each other to get better prices - even though costs kept increasing anyway. Having a corporate job is a guarantee of staying covered (while you stay employed) but NOT a guarantee of consistency of care.

Posted by: martimr1 | September 17, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

It is so disappointing to see how many people are just plain mean when it comes to the idea that our government (meaning all of us) can help each other. There is nothing Christian about the hateful rhetoric of the right, so please, you lovely folks on the right, don't bother to call yourselves Christians anymore. Just hang on to your fear and your resentment and your meanness and your hate and your prejudice and your selfishness and your lack of any human compassion. Just don't be surprised when your afterlife turns out to be just a bit toastier than you expected.

Posted by: idunno1 | September 17, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans lied about WMD and got us into an incredibly expensive war that has taken many American lives. They caused a recession and near depression in America that has taken longer than any other recession in history. The Republicans have made a total mess of this country because of their lies and greed (read "The Student Loan Scam", Boehner's money making scheme that IS ruining many kids' lives). Go to: sickforprofit.com and see how greed is killing America. These big companies are lobbying Congress and financing Republicans. THAT'S THE REAL REASON REPUBLICANS WANT TO STICK WITH THE STATUS QUO! Deregulation, etc. Get government out of big business so they can run amock unchecked stealing from the American public. HYPOCRITES!!!!

Posted by: idunno1 | September 17, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

suzy722, you dare speak of puppets? For 8 years Cheney along with Rumsfeld (for a lesser time) ran the White House. You think an alcoholic Business Major could've run a country? Even so, Cheney and Rumsfeld ran this country straight into the ground!

Posted by: idunno1 | September 17, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Wilson is a bigot playing to the racist minority in this country. Why did he yell "Your a Liar" precisely at the moment when the President was speaking about illegals? Because this country is obsessed with hating illegal immigrants. Forget our Christian roots, forget humanity and kindness - let the illegals rot on the street, afterall they're not human, right? The illegal alien problem in this country is something that has to be dealt with - intelligently and compassionately - or we will turn into a heartless, hate-filled country just like the ones we like to criticize so much!

Posted by: idunno1 | September 17, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

USArmyRetiredHard (liar and alcoholic); Bush (liar and alcoholic); Kanye West (liar and alcoholic); Joe Wilson (liar and alcoholic)......the list is long.

Posted by: idunno1 | September 17, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Ok - let me get this straight....Armao has no problem w/ Wilson's house reprimand..for what - shouting during session.....but hey let's make no mention of Rangel-Dodd tax cheating ways...?? You know those in charge of setting our tax law?.......The two of them are still re-doing their taxes from 2-3 years ago.......But that's OK...let's sweep that under the rug..and delay..Duh!....And we wonder why things are so bad.
Wilson states the truth..and is repremanded...Rangel/Dodd - tax cheats nothing??....And it is the truth - if abortions and illegals are not qualified - simple - state it plainly in the bill - but for some reason - the dems keep voting that ammendment down?????

Posted by: short1 | September 17, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

President Carter is speaking a truth that few Americans are willing to hear. He grew up at the height of Jim Crow in the Deep South—the man knows racism when he sees it. Most white Americans simply cannot face the ugly past of “race in America” and how much it is still with us today.

Rep. Joe Wilson’s, R-S.C., inability to contain himself from yelling out “You lie” at the president during a joint session of Congress is a classic case of an angry Southern white male reaching his limit with the uppity Ivy-League educated, one-term-senator-turned-president. Some may argue that this doesn’t make him a racist. But at best, his outburst demonstrates an intolerance and a lack of respect that he never would have shown to a white commander in chief. Such is the case with much of what we hear from our fellow citizens. There is an anger, a vitriol, a hatred of this president that seems deeply personal. And it is unnerving.

As Americans, all of us should be alarmed at the increasing hostility of our dialogue: There’s Fox News TV host Glenn Beck calling the president a “racist.” Rush Limbaugh declaring that “Obama’s America” is one “where black kids can beat up white kids on a bus.” Then there’s the “birthers” who swear that Obama is not a legitimate commander in chief and those who sob that they want “their country back.” My question is: From whom do you want your country back?

The problem is that we’ve gotten so used to not dealing with racial tensions in this country. They’ve become so nuanced that we cover or shrug them off because they are not as blatant as they were in the 1790s, 1840s, 1920s or 1960s. That’s a mistake. Whether we like it or not, those tensions are still here with us.

Posted by: Privilegedmen | September 17, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Politicians like Wilson have race baited forever. He is following a time honored tradition and laughing all the way to the bank. People who live in that part of the country know racial code perfectly well. Is there any other president where the lunatic brigade insisted they wanted his birth certificate and then whatever proof is provided is said to be insufficient? Is is based on the premise that a black man cannot possibly be a real and legitimate president.

Posted by: orange3 | September 17, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

No one can yell fire in a theater without reprimand.

No one can yell bomb in an airport without reprimand.

No one can yell bomb on an airplane without reprimand.

No one can call OUR President a LIAR in a joint session of Congress without reprimand.

Wilson owes AMERICAN PEOPLE an apology!


Recall what GOP and people like Kraut endorsed with Max Cleland?

'During the Clinton impeachment vote, which Cleland opposed, the former Senator was suffering mono and he claims that one of his former colleagues ended up making him sicker.'

"I wrapped a green scarf around my neck, trying to keep warm. Pete Domenici, the senator from New Mexico, insisted I remove my scarf, as it 'violated the decorum of the Senate.'"

Pete Domenici, the senator from New Mexico, insisted I remove my scarf, as it 'violated the decorum of the Senate.'

'violated the decorum of the Senate.'

'violated the decorum of the Senate.'

'violated the decorum of the Senate.'

'violated the decorum of the Senate.'

'violated the decorum of the Senate.'

My my my- How we like to CHANGE BEHAVIOR to fit our SPIN JOB?

DO any of party of no country first folks ever really admit FAULT or SHAME?

Here is some more of what YOU and YOUR ilk are all about-

Republican challenger Saxby Chambliss ran TV commercials featuring Cleland alongside photos of Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, falsely implying that the Senator had voted against the proposed Department of Homeland Security,

Soon after the ad started running, GOP Senators John McCain and Chuck Hagel expressed their outrage at the dirty tactics.

Cleland says that Hagel approached him and went so far as to offer to do a TV spot rebutting the hateful Chambliss ad "even though it was being aired by his own party."

Saxby Chambliss got wind of what Hagel had proposed. He called Chuck seven times in one day begging him not to side with me. Hagel asked him to take the ad down. Instead, Chambliss modified the ad somewhat, but still ran it.

Hagel has left the party- Mel Martinez left the party.

McCain- he is the GREAT OPPOSITION- no matter what it will cost the COUNTRY!

After all- it was DON IMUS that had to SHAME McCain into moving legislature under GOP RULE to increase VA benfits!

Imus in the AM - had to shame McCain and Santorum- ON MSNBC - It is all recorded!

HYPOCRITE!

Posted by: sasha2008 | September 18, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

My mother and father taught me to say I was sorry when I made a mistake. They did teach me to grovel because someone wants to lord it over me. Say you are sorry and get on with life.

Posted by: gordonsutton | September 18, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

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