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One of President Obama’s goals in his speech Wednesday night – unacknowledged, perhaps, but central – must have been to make the intransigient Republican opposition to health-care reform look rude, petty, disingenuous, counterproductive and fundamentally dishonest. My verdict: Mission accomplished, thanks to lots of Republican help.

Obama pointed out how Republicans such as Sens. Orrin Hatch, John McCain and Charles Grassley supported earlier reform measures that expanded health coverage and care. He dealt with all the canards that opponents have thrown in the path of reform. No, it’s not a government takeover of health care. No, it’s not going to break the bank. No, there aren't going to be death panels.

But it’s no surprise that Obama’s speech was eloquent, well-constructed, logically compelling and full of facts and figures. As hard as it would be for any politician to deliver a memorable speech on a subject as wonkish as health care, Obama managed to do so with grace. The real impact was emotional, not informational, and it came at two key moments.

The first came as he was systematically addressing the misrepresentations Republicans have been spreading. When Obama said his planned reforms would not apply to illegal immigrants, a voice on the Republican side of the aisle yelled, “You lie!” The juxtaposition could only benefit Obama: a calm and reasonable president vs. a rabid-sounding critic.

The second key moment was when Obama pulled out the heavy artillery, rhetorically speaking, and invoked the late Sen. Edward Kennedy. As Obama spoke of the letter Kennedy had sent him and framed the moral issue that health-care reform has always presented, viewers could see the emotion on the faces of Kennedy’s longtime colleagues in the Senate – not just Democrats like Vice President Biden, but also Republicans such as Hatch and McCain. Cameras lingered on Kennedy's widow, Vicki, and his two sons. Their faces showed both grief and pride, and reminded us that health care -- the great issue of Ted Kennedy's career -- is not just an issue of cost but one of conviction.

Obama was further helped by House Minority Whip Eric Cantor, who was seen fingering his BlackBerry during the speech, and by the Republicans who waved copies of their so-called reform bill. Americans, I believe, expect their leaders to act like mature adults. Tonight, the president did – and his opponents didn’t.

Update: It was Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) who yelled "You lie!"

By Eugene Robinson  | September 9, 2009; 9:45 PM ET
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boy gene ,am i glad you cleared that up for me. haha

Posted by: 12thgenamerican | September 9, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, you just made me feel better because I was really feeling angry. You summed it up to a tee.

Posted by: catmomtx | September 9, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

"But it’s no surprise that Obama’s speech was eloquent, well-constructed, logically compelling and full of facts and figures"

Eugene, the day you find something wrong with Obama will be a day that people will drop over from a heart attack.

Anyway, you're knee-jerk defense of obama, and knee-jerk blaming of the republicans is funny and ignore the real facts and figures.

The democrats don't need the republicans to pass any sort of health bill. The reason the democrats haven't passed a bill (and won't) isn't the republicans. Again, the numbers are with the democrats.

The reason health care won't pass is because what's being proposed doesn't suit most of the people in this country, and it certainly doesn't suit the people who have to pay the bills in this country.

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | September 9, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans behaved like spoiled children. The idiot Joe Wilson from South Carolina would face a recall if the people of his state have any decency. What total arses the Republicans have become. What happened to decency?

Posted by: ElectricBill | September 9, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for the perfect summation. We can all feel such pride in our intelligent eloquent President. Additionally, Mr. Wilson's constituents must feel horribly ashamed of their elected representative. Let's hope health care reform will finally succeed.

Posted by: SunshineStateGal | September 9, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't have said it better myself. What disrespect for our leader. I never heard anyone in congress yell "you lie" when Bush stood up and addressed them--even though I am sure many people would have liked to. Civility is dead--well almost--Obama showed everyone tonight what it looks like.

Posted by: smo66stang | September 9, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Can't or, was one of the 'Blushers' too. ... Priceless !!! (sing it).
... Kentucks 'Mitchy boy' just couldn't squish down in that chair any deeper. ... It's not humanly possible. ... Something 'bout those tax cuts to the richest in America that could easily cover any costs related to future health care.

Posted by: deepthroat21 | September 9, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

"Anyway, you're knee-jerk defense of obama, and knee-jerk blaming of the republicans is funny and ignore the real facts and figures."

Knee-jerk blaming? Congressman Wilson behaved like an ass! This was not a town hall (even there it's inappropriate btw) this was a de facto SOTU! And the picture of Cantor twittering away?

I agree with Gene... there were few grownups on the GOP side tonight.

Posted by: jenzinoh | September 9, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

ombudsman1 you are gay

Posted by: dcdoug | September 9, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

The republicans are a disgrace. The big mouth Congressman from SC was a shame to our government system of this country to act like a thug when the president is speaking. Guess that is why he was "down there" and not up there where the President stands.

That is Ok next election SC will be a democrat state.

Posted by: mac7 | September 9, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

anyone watching this speech now knows how it goes from here. Obama and the Democrats are going to have to force through their vision of reform without one iota or degree of assistance and bi-partisan help from the not so loyal oppostition. If looks could kill, Obama would, as we speak, be getting prepped for emabalming.

Let us hope the Democrats both in the White House and in Congress have the nerve and guts for a long and protracted legislative battle because that is how this is going to go down. Let the Republicans in the Senate filubuster this and look as cynical, selfish and out of touch as the last time they pulled this tactic: on civil rights.

If Obama has half the guts he indicated he has by this speech he can win this battle. If, on the other hand, he and his advisors allow themselves to be finessed by the Republicans and drawn into a long and protracted false series of negotiations we will see all the drama and cable histrionics of the town halls to confuse the issue even further.

This speech should have been made three months ago when this whole curfuful of a mess got out of control. Let's hope the President and his team have the good sense to stay focused, on point and committed to getting this done in a reasonable period of time. From the look on their faces Eric Cantor, John Boehner and Mitch McConnell are not going to be helpful to achieving any progress.

Posted by: bobfbell | September 9, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm. Let me think about this. Ordinary citizens came out in force to the town hall meetings in opposition to Obamacare. Yet Obama scorns those people, and goes on the road to present scripted, televised meetings. Now, he appears before a joint session of Congress to further sell what the people have rejected. When Obama doesn't care what the people want, isn't he behaving badly?

Posted by: allamer1 | September 9, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Whether or not the rep from SC agreed with President Obama, yelling out "You Lie" has got to be a new low for the republicans. Actually, I take that back. Objecting to the president speaking to school kids was the lowest point. This one just missed the mark.

People on the right can talk all they want but members of congress never disrespected Bush the way these guys have done President Obama. It's embarrassing, petty and shameful. While I'm sure their constituents will cheer them back home, on the national scale, these guys look ridiculous.

Either way, let's not lose focus on the health care speech by giving this idiot any press whatsoever.

Posted by: wmwilliams14 | September 9, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Ombudsman1 wrote: The reason health care won't pass is because what's being proposed doesn't suit most of the people in this country, and it certainly doesn't suit the people who have to pay the bills in this country.

You are wrong. 58% of Americans support the public option. If it doesn't go through, its for the reason that the insurance companies have managed to pay off a handful of bluedog democrats who from small states that together don't have the population that SF, NYC, or LA do individually.

Posted by: tgoglia | September 9, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

allamer1 wrote:
When Obama doesn't care what the people want, isn't he behaving badly?
Sorry, allamer1. Exactly which people are you referring to. A few people shouting at the town halls do not represent the rest of the country. Just because we don't go to town hall meetings with Nazi signs and guns does not mean we are not passionate about health care reform. President Obama is doing exactly what the people voted for.

Posted by: wmwilliams14 | September 9, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

allamer1 wrote:

People on the right can talk all they want but members of congress never disrespected Bush the way these guys have done President Obama. It's embarrassing, petty and shameful. While I'm sure their constituents will cheer them back home, on the national scale, these guys look ridiculous.
I'm not so sure that's a good thing. Perhaps if Congress was less deferential to the Bush Cabal, we wouldn't have invaded Iraq illegally and on false pretenses and had a President who acted with complete disregard for the Constitution, the law, and human decency.

Posted by: tgoglia | September 9, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Tgoglia. I didn't say they were deferential but they showed the Office of the President the respect that it deserves. I didn't agree with many of Bush policies but I wouldn't object to him speaking at a high school. Congress should have disagreed with Bush on that ill-thought out war but it doesn't mean they have to yell out ridiculous statements during his speeches.

Posted by: wmwilliams14 | September 9, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, the party of Bill Buckley and Nelson Rockefeller has degenerated into the party of rubes and goobers, the underbelly of America, populated by underclass yahoos and short-fingered vulgarians.

What was once the Grand Old Party has become the Goobers Only Party.

Small wonder that only 23% of registered voters are now self-identified Republicans.

What decent American wants to be associated with that rabble?

Posted by: WhatHeSaid | September 9, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

What an awful year for South Carolina, which has become the political laughingstock of the country. First Sanford, now this. I can hear the jokes already.

Posted by: bpai_99 | September 9, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Wow the last time I saw something like that happen to a US President Bush was ducking shoes in Iraq. Have Republicans sunk that low and become so blinded by hate that they are trying to behave as if they are from a 3rd World Country? That is really an example I would like my children to see on tv.

Posted by: Malc | September 9, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

As one of Joe Wilson's constituents, I truly apologize for the rudeness of our representative. I agree with the comments that if we South Carolinians had any decency, we would recall him. Sadly, he'll bluster his way through, saying his "emotions" got the better of him. And his constituents will be left with this rude boor as the "face" of South Carolina.

Posted by: Ruthiedke | September 9, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Its time for Obama to give up his absurd idea that you can deal with the GOP. He should follow the example of FDR and bury them. The Republicans can offer nothing but drivel and opposition. It is time to ship them off to the political wilderness for the next 8 years.

Posted by: dfdougherty | September 9, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Congressman Wilson needs to apologize. First, he should apologize to the people of South Carolina whom he represents. Secondly, he needs to apologize to his fellow members of Congress for insulting the institutional respect given to all guests speaking before them. Thirdly, he should write the President a letter of apology.
Finally, Speaker Pelosi should not allow him to speak on the floor of the House for the next six months.

Posted by: johnklenert | September 9, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Finally, Speaker Pelosi should not allow him to speak on the floor of the House for the next six months.
Perhaps Pelosi should make him sit in the corner wearing a conical cap.

Posted by: tgoglia | September 9, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Pick up the phone and let Joe Wilson know how you feel -
do it now - do it often
do it until his resignation is on the speaker's desk


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Posted by: daveque | September 9, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson must've missed the memo--guess he thought he was at a town hall meeting. Loved the look on Pelosi's face when he blurted out; it just seemed to say, "What a loser."

Would've loved to actually see what the GOP "reform" bill looked like. I bet it was like their "stimulus" proposal, you know the one where they left out the numbers. LMFAO

I hope everyone in Virginia saw Eric Cantor playing with his blackberry like it was a bloody PSP. He looked like Boehnert's son who went with dad but isn't interested in anything that's going on. To my neighbors in the Commonwealth, all I've got to say is you get what you vote for.

Posted by: ecglotfelty | September 9, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Imagine the outrage from the right if a Democrat had yelled out "You lie!" to President Bush during one of his speeches??!!

Posted by: montaukgirl18 | September 9, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse


The President who brought hope and inspiration to America and has been elected to lead this nation through the most difficult times, delivered a great speech tonight. In the speech, he laid out his plans and called for an end to the bad and evil practices of the Insurance companies. He called out the lies,and vacious misrepresentation of his health plan. He chastise the rethugs to offer something constructive on health care. When the demons in the rethugs could not take the truth any more, The "DEMON" in the congressman Joe Wilson cried out Loud "You are Lie" The Obama the great orator replied " HOLD YOUR PEACE AND SHUT UP IN THERE EVIL SPIRIT".

Posted by: SPANZ217 | September 9, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, those "so-called" human beings held up their "so-called" reform bill. You tell 'em, Gene. And keep hating, Gene, it becomes you, you good little Democrat operative, you.

Posted by: chatard | September 9, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Joe.
You single-handedly showed all of America how classless and awful republicans really are.
NOTHING democrats could have dreamed would be as effective at showing republicans for who they really are more effectively.

Posted by: jeffc6578 | September 9, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Like the 'Donner Party' is the present day GOP. ... Hoping for just .... one more day. Ju sss tt one more day of 'stayin' alive.

Posted by: deepthroat21 | September 9, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Congressman Wilson's rude and disrespectful behavior to the President and members of Congress depicts a new level of shame for politicians in our country. Where has civility, courtesy and common manners gone to? All I saw tonight was a coarsness and vulgarity from the GOP that I never thought millions and millions of Americans would see from my party.

Posted by: Listening2 | September 9, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Wilson is a hero - Obama is a racist and a pathological liar. For Obama to call Palin a liar is a real hoot. The Demo-commie-crats booed Pres Bush constantly during his speeches. Turnabout is fair play. I called Wilson's office and visited his web site to congratulate him on having the courage to stand up to this psychopath. Too bad more GOP wimps don't have the guts.

Posted by: doctorfixit | September 9, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

It is so sad that since this president took office we have seen a real deterioration of the republican party and it becoming just a vehicle for the far rightwing base.
Rude, disrespectful, self-obsessive and selfish. Mostly, very very immature. You feel like it is no longer a serious political party but, just a club for those who are at the emotional and mental age of jr. high.
The last week with this crude behavior and the past weeks hyper, over the top shrillness over Obama's speech to school children has shown the republican party has no grown ups.

Posted by: vwcat | September 10, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

You want coarse and vulgar? You should check out the First Lady's armpits - ba-da-boom! No but seriously folks, I saw Obama the other day throwing an old lady under a bus and I asked him about this death panel stuff and he just smiled. I followed him for a while , and then he pulled out a coathanger and performed a quickie abortion on the sidewalk, so I asked him about his health reform paying for abortions with tax dollars, and he just smiled. So we kept going, and he started handing out lottery scratchers with prizes like "hip replacement" and I asked him about the rationing in his bill, and he just smiled. So finally I said , why can't you answer any questions - what's with the smile? And he said "After every major speech I give I have to stop lying for 24 hours so the teleprompter can recharge".

Posted by: doctorfixit | September 10, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

What did Stinky expect? He tells the biggest lie since Eve bit the apple and he wants respect?

Screw him.

Posted by: BO_Stinks | September 10, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Lick my democratic sack you POS.

Posted by: jeffc6578 | September 10, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

I feel Robinson is off in his assessment of the situation; but, I do feel politics has changed considerably in my lifetime. Politicians were the individuals committing terrible acts against each other in the 60's (In one of my college classes we watched the terrible LBJ advertisement against Barry Goldwater taken off the air by the FCC). In this day, the public seems to have become polarized and argumentative. As a teacher, I saw students attempting to turn off the TV today when Channel One (student television) showed portions of the Obama education speech. I told them they need not agree with his policies, but they need to be respectful.

Posted by: jbecka | September 10, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

I hope I gave you an anyurism.
One less dirtbag like you would improve the world.

Posted by: jeffc6578 | September 10, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Is it too much to hope that South Carolina will secede from the Union again? I'd be willing to kick in some bucks to help cover the cost of the paper work and the design of a new flag -- a jackass rampant crowned with a dunce cap.

Posted by: joshemj | September 10, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

I hope they try to secede with Texas, so we have a good reason to go down there and rid the world of some of these backward anti-American republicans.

Posted by: jeffc6578 | September 10, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

You libtards are too funny! The outrage! NEVER before have we seen such blasphemy!
Uh... 2005 , floor of the house and Bush is giving a speech on the need to o'haul Soc. Sec. - what does THE ENTIRE COUNTRY hear? Well they hear dumbocrats booing and heckling the PRESIDENT! Bing that one if you dare. Let's move on.... 1989 (approx) Bush 1 is giving a speech to school children. What?
WHAT?! How dare he.... yeah the dumbocrats called for senate hearings about how criminal this action was. BING that one if you dare. Liberals wont "dare" cuz they dont care. Just like Obama does'nt care what 73% of americans want. Obama IS a liar and there IS coverage for illegals (future democrat voters) and Wilson only spoke the truth. Watch for The Dear Leader's's here.

Posted by: NeoCon1 | September 10, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

What do you expect from the party of Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh?

Would you expect anything less than hate filled knuckle dragger shrieking insults in public like a small child?

Hey, it's the Republican way.

Posted by: Ms_Morgan | September 10, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson cross the line on the House Floor. If this happen during a "House debate" all work would have stopped and a democrat would demand that wilson's words be "taken down"
C-span: "Words Taken Down is the House rule used to discipline a member for using inappropriate words in debate.
After the words are "taken down" by the clerk and read back, the chair rules on their suitability.
If ruled inappropriate, the member may not speak again on the same day without House permission."

Wilson ought to be ban for from speaking on the house floor for the rest of the year. The decorum of the House should be respected at all times. This is not a town hall meeting. This is a joint session of congress. The folks from South Carolina that I know don't act this way.

This behavior by the republicans is appalling. Goofy Gomert waving a sign doing the President's speech was lower than low. This is not another country. THIS IS THE US STATES OF AMERICA, were most people try to teach their children to act civil. The republican minority leader must take full responsibilty for his party's action and ban his members from watching their other leaders like glen beck, rush limbaugh, fox news and the like until after the work is complete on healthcare.

Posted by: MILLER123 | September 10, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Wilson is a pathetic excuse for a human being. Do the republicans actually think that moderates and independents will be drawn to their party after seeing such antics.

Really pathetic, just when you think republicans couldn't slither any lower, they still manage to surprise me.

Posted by: notfooledbydistractions | September 10, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

To Ombudsman, in case you haven't notice we are paying for those people through the nose. Everytime one of them go to the doctor or the emergency room the bill is passed on to us in higher fees. The insurance companies continually raise our preminums every year faithfully in January of each year.

I would suggest that people look further than the end of their noses, and maybe they can see the big picture.

The uninsure citizens cost us working folks dearly everytime one of them gets sick we pay a little more.

Posted by: MB12 | September 10, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse

HA HA HA - Miller , you really hit the liberal nail on the head there pal!

YES! The minority leader should BAN members from watching THE MOST WATCHED network (FOX)and from listening to THE MOST LISTENED TO radio program (EIB). Problem solved!
Liberals are dumb. Liberals are spineless.
Here's how I know:
Libs control the WH , libs control both houses, libs control the media.... and libs are imploding 200 days into this "experiment". Liberals simply cannot lead. They don't have the necessary intelligence and they certainly don't have the balls.
The sheer glee I feel watching liberals and specifically Obambi self destruct before my eyes is palpable. It's glorious.
It's everything I could have hoped for and more. Even w/ absolute power you fail. The reason you fail is because AMERICANS have rejected Obama's constant lies and his unprecedented level of shadyness. This dude is the best and brightest libtards have to offer? Epic Fail.

Posted by: NeoCon1 | September 10, 2009 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Gene, Gene, The Dancing know Obama just goes up there and flat out lies...whatever sounds good is what he says. Big phony.

Posted by: DaMan2 | September 10, 2009 12:55 AM | Report abuse

I think decorum was thrown out the door in January when the pro-Obama Inaugural crowd shouted "Na,na. Na,na. Hey. Hey. Hey. Good-bye," to Bush. Where was the outrage? I think that's when many of us realized that the dignity and respect for the "office" only applied if you voted for him. Pu-lease, spare me the self-righteous indignation. By the way, Obama has been very dishonest, been a horrible leader, attacks his opposition and isn't that smart. I guess "intelligent" means you can read out loud and regurgitate talking points. Why even now, I'm sure his minions are preparing to attack Rep. Wilson and his family with all their energy. If only they devoted so much effort to crafting a healthcare bill, than they do to attacking the opposition.

Posted by: DRLMSC | September 10, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse


Your summary is both succinct and powerful. Extremists are so blinded by their hysteria that they speak in "bloggeria" 24/7, and the biggest thing they cannot grasp is that progress has passed them by, they can either join the progressive train or they can babble in the dust of the progressives from all sides of the aisle.

Posted by: cisconwa | September 10, 2009 1:02 AM | Report abuse

I was especially interested in the reasoned, temperate Republican opinion, that is, the response by Congressman Boustany.

After making the usual broad and inaccurate charges, Boustany noted a half-dozen points of agreement. Then, although he noted that Obama had adressed tort reform, he went over it again as a major part of the Republican postion. Then he presented the only distinctive part of the Republican proposal: Let groups buy the health insurance plans sold in other states.

Ok, it broadens the market a bit. Will it make a difference?

Isn't it largely the same companies offering the plans in the various states? Doesn't one company already have 40% of the national market under various names? Will it really make a difference to consumers, when they have to compare the options and deductables and rules across 60 plans instead of 6?

Someone please enlighten me how it would help.

Posted by: j2hess | September 10, 2009 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Let's write our congressmen to enact a law mandating a minimum education for congressional representatives. As barney frank said, there is no point in speaking to a dining room table.

How do we get legislation passed on life or death issues when we are dealing with people who think the world is only 5,000 years old? Or who think Obama was born in Kenya? Or think the gov would actually form "death panels"? Or think the world is going to end soon and they will be carried up to heaven cause they are such righteous christians?

Posted by: tmcproductions2004 | September 10, 2009 1:19 AM | Report abuse

HYPOCRITES! One person yelled out and then apologized. Democrats, as a group, BOOED President Bush. No apologies followed.

Posted by: imskylark | September 10, 2009 1:23 AM | Report abuse

I've read comments that Democrats would never have behaved the way Republicans did when Obama spoke to children throughout the country. When Bush 1 did it, Democrats went nuts. They held congressional hearings over it! In comparison, Republicans behaved much better than the demoncrats.

Posted by: imskylark | September 10, 2009 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Eugene, I'm surprised at you for praising Obama's speech. The only ones his plan will benefit are the health insurance companies.

It won't benefit people with lousy insurance from their jobs who want to something better, and he did not explain clearly at all how it would benefit people who can't get insurance because of pre-existing conditions. Instead of making it illegal for health insurance companies to deny coverage, Obama proposed some kind of government catastrophic insurance plan to keep those with pre-existing conditions from going bankrupt. WTF? How is this supposed to help people screwed over by insurance companies?

And isn't it ironic that he said this in front of Biden, who was so instrumental in passing the bill that make it harder for people who'd lost everything due to high medical bills to declare bankruptcy?

And, of course, as always, Obama throw abortion rights under the bus. Even under Clinton, federal employees could use their health insurance to pay for abortions. Not under Obama. Why?

If Obama cared about helping the uninsured, he would do something NOW - not four years from now. His rhetoric was hollow and empty. It no longer moves, or fools, me.

It's also ironic that Obama was booed by so many repugs when this is the first time in history that Americans will be forced to fork over money to greedy, unethical, bloodsucking health insurance companies that will only enrich them and the congresspeople in their pockets further.

I concur with Joe Wilson that Obama is a liar. Not about illegal aliens getting health insurance, but Obama is a liar when it comes to acting like his plan is anything but a huge gift to the health insurance companies and a huge shafting of the sick and needy.

Posted by: ccatmoon | September 10, 2009 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Mr. Robinson for an excellent article. The Republicans at this meeting make Palin and Limbaugh almost appear intelligent.

Posted by: paris1969 | September 10, 2009 1:33 AM | Report abuse

Representative Wilson brought shame to the State of South Carolina by his childish, out-of-control behavior. He also embarrassed the Republican Party, and reinforced the negative stereotype of the party. People are looking for leadership on this issue, not angry little boys throwing tantrums. In the end, Wilson will have done more to help pass Obama's legislation than he could ever dream.

Posted by: BluGrass | September 10, 2009 1:35 AM | Report abuse

There is a common thread running through conservative comments:

But fhe democrats did it first!

Man, they sound like whiny four-year-olds.

Posted by: tgoglia | September 10, 2009 1:35 AM | Report abuse

TED KOPPEL (ABC host): When the president talked about the bankruptcy of Social Security, there were clearly some Democrats on the floor who thought that that was taking it too far. And they did something that, apparently, no one at this table has ever heard before. They booed. [ABC, Nightline, 2/2/05; Koppel's panel consisted of former Bush adviser Mary Matalin, former Reagan chief of staff Ken Duberstein, and former Clinton speechwriter Michael Waldman]

JOHN ROBERTS (CBS White House correspondent): At a couple points in this address, it looked more like the British Parliament than the United States Congress. I've never heard the minority party shout at the president during the State of the Union address. [CBS, post-speech coverage, 2/2/05]

JOE SCARBOROUGH (former U.S. representative (R-FL) and MSNBC host): After the Democrats booed and hissed, Republicans were on the floor saying, you know, we never once did that to Clinton. So every time he would talk about Social Security, the roars got a little louder. And they got behind their president. [MSNBC, Hardball, 2/2/05]

BOB BARR (former U.S. representative (R-GA) and CNN contributor): It will be a very, very difficult battle as we saw by the unprecedented and, I think, highly improper virtual booing of the president when he simply said that the system is going to be bankrupt and the time is now to fix it. [CNN, Inside Politics, 2/3/05]

JOE WATKINS (radio host and CNN substitute host): Did you hear it? Certainly not the polite protocol usually practiced when a president speaks to Congress. If a Democrat one day delivers a State of the Union address, I hope the Republicans won't lower themselves to such a disrespectful level. I hope last night's behavior by a few lawmakers doesn't set a new precedent, that both parties can agree to remain civil, even when voicing disagreements.


PAUL BEGALA (CNN host): Let me correct your history -- 1993, I was with President Bill Clinton in that House chamber when he addressed a joint session of Congress. And Republicans heckled him when he cited Congressional Budget Office statistics about the deficit. [CNN, Crossfire, 2/3/05]

JOHN GIBSON (FOX News host): Maryanne Marsh, what did you think of those audible jeers, boos, for the president? It sounded a little like the House of Commons: that grumbling that comes from the back-benchers when they don't like something [British Prime Minister] Tony Blair said. That isn't very common for state of the union speeches, is it?

MARYANNE MARSH (Democratic strategist): I don't ever remember hearing it, and was very surprised. But I have to say at least the good news is the Democrats are fighting and they're on offense. And they're more united than they've ever been against George Bush and the Republicans. [FOX News, The Big Story with John Gibson, 2/3/05]

Posted by: imskylark | September 10, 2009 1:38 AM | Report abuse


When you lie through your teeth, you should be called out on it. So many replies stated that Democrats would never have acted that way. It's a down right lie and should be corrected. Stop acting so self-righteous.

Posted by: imskylark | September 10, 2009 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Eugene... What more could you expect from the party of "NO" and "death panels?" Right now, the entire republcan cause looks like one big anger management class and that's unfortunate for them...

Americans are of tabloid mind these days. Extreme behavior gets our attention rapidly. But calling the President a liar to his face in a joint session of Congress is totally unacceptable left or right.

Congressman Wilson is now the head of the Republican Party along with Glenn Beck being the tail... Equally unacceptable to the majority "thinking" public at large.

Wilson gives Obama the victory he needed, and he makes republicans look like disgruntled bigots en-masse... This was highlighted even more with the stark reality that ALL Congressional Republicans present tonight were white....

Posted by: gmoore40 | September 10, 2009 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Please Barack Hussein, ENOUGH with the daily TV shows. It is always the same old-same old. STOP!!!!! Nothing has been accomplished in this 9 month administration. Oh Ya, I forgot, our national debt has quadrupled this year. I am still shell shocked to think that Osama Barack has spent more of OUR MONEY in his first 3 months in office, than the other 43 Presidents combined. I am heartsick for our future generations as they will be working around the clock to try and pay off this TRAVESTY OF POWER.

Posted by: USAISARMYSTRONG | September 10, 2009 2:08 AM | Report abuse

It's about time somebody spoke up and said something to this pompous liar in a public forum. The press doesn't have the guts to take him on. Good job Congressman Wilson. It's the new no rules politics that the left has perfected. Learn to play, or go home.

Posted by: BadNews | September 10, 2009 2:14 AM | Report abuse

Dick Cheney lied consistently and ceaselessly abou the connection between Iraq and El Queda. George Bush lied about just about everything. Libby lied. Rove lies. Lives were lost and treasure and national standing squandered. Were the Republicans offended by any of this? Of course not. Now Palin lies about death squads. Are the Republicans even able to comprehend the difference between truth and idealogical dementia? SO this Mr Wilson, this offensive, undisciplined and severely ignorant individual, who clearly does not belong among a civilized gathering shouts out "liar". He is one administration too late in his assertion. But he does well to show to the world the level of discourse and the level of ignorance that we must contend with in this sorely beleagured country of ours. It should give us all serious pause as to how as a nation we can move forward with such huge impediments to reason, decency and character that we must contend with in this abysmal Congress and the forces of hatred and arrogance exemplified by the republican party

Posted by: hello3 | September 10, 2009 2:15 AM | Report abuse

Another incident that has America OUTRAGED. It is so negligent of these "people in power" to give AIG billions of dollars. WHY? I do NOT believe this should of taken place. Now that it did, not one person had enough common sense to monitor the money. Noooooo, instead of giving (or lending) it in installments, these careless actions of this administration hands it over in ONE LUMP SUM. The biggest slap in the face to the citizens of America, was when these morons at AIG used the first several hundred million dollars for bonuses and raises. Sadly and very embarrassed, this Democrat would never vote this gang in. I did not vote Obama last year as he is too inexperienced and I certainly will never vote for him next time. NO WAY, NO HOW - NEVER.

Posted by: USAISARMYSTRONG | September 10, 2009 2:17 AM | Report abuse

When you lie through your teeth, you should be called out on it. So many replies stated that Democrats would never have acted that way. It's a down right lie and should be corrected. Stop acting so self-righteous.

Posted by: imskylark
Agreed. I'll stop acting self-righteous when you stop whining like a little girl.

Posted by: tgoglia | September 10, 2009 2:17 AM | Report abuse

OK we'll stop whining when you stop lying! (But don't hold your breath)

Posted by: hello3 | September 10, 2009 2:20 AM | Report abuse

Oh Ya, I forgot, our national debt has quadrupled this year. I am still shell shocked to think that Osama Barack has spent more of OUR MONEY in his first 3 months in office, than the other 43 Presidents combined.
Posted by: USAISARMYSTRONG | September 10, 2009 2:08 AM
Back to school for you, sir. The annual DEFICIT will probably quadruple this year. The NATIONAL DEBT has not. When GWB took office, the national debt stood at $5 trillion ($3 trillion from Reagan, $1.5 trillion from Bush1). By the time he left, he had doubled the national debt all by himself, to $11.7 trillion. Obama has NOT quadrupled that cumulative debt but getting out of Bush's third recession/ depression has cost a fair amount of money. By all means, if you want to be outraged because Obama is going to spend about $600 billion more than Bush's 2009 budget but don't lie and try to magnify that into spending $33 trillion in 9 months. It just ain't true.

Posted by: windrider2 | September 10, 2009 2:52 AM | Report abuse

Recommended reading- the article about Wendell Potter. There are liars at work in this health care debate, and they're the entrenched folks who prefer fat profits to anything fair or humanitarian. They can name their plans and hospital systems Saint-this and Samaritan-that, and their lies will suck in the dumb and blind in this debate, but they can and will all sizzle in hell- just not soon enough.

Posted by: psst_limbaugh_keep-ranting_satan | September 10, 2009 3:00 AM | Report abuse

We may are all be dancing around the this point, but for a whole bunch of "good ole boys" (and gals), 2009 is still too early, to be getting lectured by a black man, even if he is, or maybe, because he is, the elected President of their country.

God Bless America

Posted by: gnhimaras | September 10, 2009 3:05 AM | Report abuse

"Sadly, the party of Bill Buckley and Nelson Rockefeller has degenerated into the party of rubes and goobers, the underbelly of America, populated by underclass yahoos and short-fingered vulgarians."

Those are exactly the kind of people that Bill Buckley ran out of the party during its rise to power. I wonder if they'll be smart enough to do it again?

Posted by: mjtraxler | September 10, 2009 4:11 AM | Report abuse

"our national debt has quadrupled this year" Posted by USAISARMYSTRONG

GAO Figures:
National Debt End of FY 2007: 8.9 trillion.
National Debt, Sep. 2009: 11.7 trillion.

As a percentage of GDP, that's an increase of about 20%.

Check your facts before you spew.

P.S. Leftover debt from WWII went down under every president until Reagan. Reagan/Bush I nearly doubled the debt. Debt went down under Clinton. Bush II, nearly doubled the debt again. Too early to tell for sure how it's going to go under Obama. Doesn't help that he inherited the worst economy since '29.

Posted by: mjtraxler | September 10, 2009 4:28 AM | Report abuse

We've all seen the boorish & rude comments sometimes uttered in the British parliament. But presidential addresses have always been above that. The Republicans brought the Congress to a new low last night. The irony is that in British style parliamentary democracies, for all their bluster, have certain words that lead to a call to withdraw the statement or be immediately expelled by the speaker and the Sargeant-at- Arms. 'Liar" is one such word.

Posted by: mythbusters | September 10, 2009 4:41 AM | Report abuse

You Republicans have to admit to yourselves that your key demographic now consists of white, ill-educated Southerners and plain staters. To put it bluntly, you are the bottom 10 percent of the high school class, the slackers. You talk about being "The Patriots" and "The Defenders", but somehow, despite all your labor, you always manage to squeeze in 8 hours of TV a day.

You're such...trash.

Posted by: euroguy | September 10, 2009 4:59 AM | Report abuse


Great job, Gene. You're doing a great job as a PR lackey for MESSIAH.

And if MESSIAH's weakness gets you and your kind DECAPITATED on video -- hey, you were warned. That's on you.

Posted by: russpoter | September 10, 2009 5:02 AM | Report abuse


"Debt went down under Clinton."


Debt increased 34% with SLICK WILLIE.


Posted by: russpoter | September 10, 2009 5:07 AM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. Robertson I really enjoyed your column! If we could only take your common sense,turn it into a pill,then get the Republican side of Congess to take it once a day, health care for ALL would become a reality before the blink of an eye! I also enjoy your appearences on MSNBC,you always bring something to the discussion.

Posted by: buckqd | September 10, 2009 5:10 AM | Report abuse

In Europe, this speech was viewed with stunned disbelief. For many Europeans, used to the rough and tumble of parliamentary politics, the US as always been viewed as a model of civlity. No more. And let's face it. As a Republican, I was embarassed to be asked why, after Republicans made so much of the disrespect to Bush, that they themselves would undermine their reputation by acting like screaming anarchist socialists. I have no answer.

Posted by: ChrisW1958 | September 10, 2009 5:11 AM | Report abuse

The remark about illegal aliens was too bad. However, I wrote my (Democratic) congressman regarding this issue. He assured me that the bill prevented illegal aliens from obtaining free health care. According to the Republican response, every attempt to add languange requiring proof of eligibility was removed by Democrats. Furthermore, even if it was included, the amnesty that follows would take care of it. Thinking back to the 1986 amnesty, we were promised in exchange that we would have (1) enforcement and (2) no more amnesties. And from Hispanics: We will cost you nothing. We will only contribute.

One way or another, the Dems are going to make sure that illegal aliens are covered, and it dosen't make a bit of difference what the people think.

If you want a good starting point for the end of civility in American politics, google: "Bork Kennedy confirmation".

Put health care reform in the hands of the Republicans.

Posted by: hipshot | September 10, 2009 5:54 AM | Report abuse

You have to Remember Who the Modern Republican Party is. It is a Regional Party now based in the middle of Red Neck Country and got It's start there as a result of the Republican Party and Nixon's Southern Strategy of appealing to the KKK and It' Racial Bias during the Civil rights movement. Their Congressmen represent the product of Their, "Separate but Unequal", Education System and the Racial bias that's inbred in Them. They just can't help Themselves as the small mind of the SC Rep. later admitted.

Posted by: mnlennon | September 10, 2009 6:35 AM | Report abuse

Not a word was said about their own Congressional health plan, separate, far above from being equal to the rest of us, no premiums, and for life. And they condescended to applaud McCain after trashing his reputation repeatedly during the campaign. What a bunch of Claude Raines hypocrites!

Posted by: Georgetowner1 | September 10, 2009 6:36 AM | Report abuse

"viewers could see the emotion on the faces of Kennedy’s longtime colleagues in the Senate – not just Democrats like Vice President Biden, but also Republicans such as Hatch and McCain."

I'm just all choked up. Maybe instead of sobbing in Congress about Teddy's socialist nightmare they should instead look at the emotion on the faces of my children who get stuck paying the bill!!!! No one has yet said how this will be PAID FOR!!!!!!!

Posted by: egrib | September 10, 2009 6:41 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, I have come to expect no less than rudeness and bad behavior from Republicans. We see it all the time. Unfortunately, they've now decided to move it into the hallowed chambers of the Senate. It used to be that most of the hideous behavior came from the radical fringe, but now it's seeped into the mainstream and even to the elected GOP representatives, at least most of them, who don't have the decency or courage to do or say the right thing. That's not leadership. Just look at the controversy that was stirred up over the president giving an innocent address to school children. How many Republicans stood up and condemned it as pure silliness and hysteria? Not only do they refuse to tamp down the anger and ignorance, they jump right on the band wagon. And these people think they should be leading the country?!? They act worse than spoiled rotten children.

Posted by: ggwalt | September 10, 2009 6:46 AM | Report abuse

Obama misjudged the response in the Gates affair. He apparently learned nothing from the experience. He subsequently stands up in front of the country and makes a blatant misstatement about something very important to the American people. Geeze.

Posted by: hipshot | September 10, 2009 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Gee. robinson an Obama wonk. Who ever would have guessed?

Posted by: drbob456 | September 10, 2009 6:54 AM | Report abuse

AGREED! Bad manners, but correct assessment! Ted Kennedy was never my role model, but invoking his memory in a joint speech to the congress was an indication of how desperate the President is in attempting to regain his fallen stature

Posted by: dad15 | September 10, 2009 7:01 AM | Report abuse

Near as I can figure it, Mr. Wilson is just mad that he could not figure out how to book himself a flight to Argentina so he decided to take it out on the entire sitting Congress. His frustration knows no modern equivalent. One would have to go back to fellow South Carolinian Preston Brooks slugging Charles Sumner on the House floor with cane in hand, but that was merely the foreshadowing of the Civil war, wasn't it?

Posted by: rlgrennie1 | September 10, 2009 7:14 AM | Report abuse

While I agree that Wilson acted inappropriately, the real issue is, did Obama lie or not and that includes lying by omission.

Posted by: thebink | September 10, 2009 7:16 AM | Report abuse

President Obama's speech was very informative last is such a shame that the ignorant bigots in the Republican Party cannot get over themselves and realize that the President is trying to help all Americans with the Healthcare Reform bill. Fortunately, they are not in the majority and won't be for a long, long time unless they address their base. Good article, Eugene.

Posted by: gilbertpb40 | September 10, 2009 7:21 AM | Report abuse

"But it’s no surprise that Obama’s speech was eloquent, well-constructed, logically compelling and full of facts and figures"

it's no surprise because it's a lie...

Posted by: DwightCollins | September 10, 2009 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Ombudsman1

Eugene, the day you find something wrong with Obama will be a day that people will drop over from a heart attack.

Likewise, the day a Republican Politician does something worthy of being extolled will be the day that the Republican Party demonstrates it has heart and be recognized by Eugene for doing so.

Posted by: csfoster2000 | September 10, 2009 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Republicans are scum. For someone in this day and age to admit publicly to being a republican is tantamount to admitting he or she has leprosy.

Posted by: GeorgHerbet | September 10, 2009 7:39 AM | Report abuse

"Wilson is a hero - Obama is a racist and a pathological liar. For Obama to call Palin a liar is a real hoot. The Demo-commie-crats booed Pres Bush constantly during his speeches. Turnabout is fair play. I called Wilson's office and visited his web site to congratulate him on having the courage to stand up to this psychopath. Too bad more GOP wimps don't have the guts."

How did you visit his website? It is down for "maintenance". Another Repub with just a nodding acquaintance with the truth.

Posted by: lswonder | September 10, 2009 7:40 AM | Report abuse

oh my god, the republicans did not sit in rapt attention for the messiah, did not hang on his every word, put them in irons!

Posted by: kathymac1 | September 10, 2009 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Dmlrc wrote: " think decorum was thrown out the door in January when the pro-Obama Inaugural crowd shouted "Na,na. Na,na. Hey. Hey. Hey. Good-bye," to Bush. Where was the outrage? I think that's when many of us realized that the dignity and respect for the "office" only applied if you voted for him. Pu-lease, spare me the self-righteous indignation. By the way, Obama has been very dishonest, been a horrible leader, attacks his opposition and isn't that smart. I guess "intelligent" means you can read out loud and regurgitate talking points. Why even now, I'm sure his minions are preparing to attack Rep. Wilson and his family with all their energy. If only they devoted so much effort to crafting a healthcare bill, than they do to attacking the opposition. "

I hate to break this to you, but being heckled by ordinary people is FAR DIFFERENT than being heckled ON THE FLOOR of the U.S. Capitol.

Have we entered a time when civil discourse in anything but civil? Absolutely! Does this happen on both sides? Definitely! But for an elected leader to be THE EXAMPLE of people behaving badly during a speech is abhorrent.

Posted by: jenzinoh | September 10, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Of course you don't pay for illegal immigrants health care. You first legalize millions of them, now they are citizens, and you give them health care. And you don't include this cost in your estimates today. You lie.

Posted by: GeneWells | September 10, 2009 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Obama = "The Great Divider In Chief"

....Never seen a more partisan polarizing speech in all my years of watching US Presidents in front of a joint session of Congress, NEVER.

Obama, the Democrat Party, and their corrupt enablers in our MSM wolfpack press and Hollywood are COMPLETELY detached from reality.

On October 1st 2009 we will begin a new fiscal year for the Federal budget.

The budget which will run from October 1st thru September 30th 2010 is at a "jacked up" $3.4 Trillion dollars with a deficit of about $1.7 trillion.

That means we will be borrowing 1/2 of the Federal spending for FY2010. That has never happened before....

There is massive red ink everywhere and the economy is very sick and what are the Democrats, Obama, and our corrupt MSM wolfpack press pushing ???


We The People must take care of this MESS in 2010 and wrap it up in 2012 with the election of the most qualified candidate for president ever, the pragmatic Mitt Romney....

Posted by: allenridge | September 10, 2009 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson and the Republicans who brought signs to draw attention to themselves denigrated the presidency in front of the world. I hope the Democrats (who have been wusses up to now) have the courage to defend the president of the United States by passing effective health care reform.

We need to let these folks who deal in nasty know, nasty doesn't work, especially when you run down the President of the United States on the world stage.

I've been watching and listening to such speeches for at least fifty years, and I've never seen the kind of behavior I saw last night.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | September 10, 2009 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Since Joe Wilson and many in the GOP are so opposed to a health care "public option" I think it best that the Grand Old, and I emphasize OLD, Party's elected members withdraw from the government health plan that they are now receiving and act responsibly by individually covering the cost of their health insurance. Perhaps the GOP should organize their own healthcare cooperative? Free markets forever. (This has been a public service announcement from socialists for a better America.)

Posted by: manray123 | September 10, 2009 7:57 AM | Report abuse

It seems to me that obama will sell his soul to get anything passed on this health reform "thing... Almost everyone says that anything obama says and does is historical and this has become part of his rethoric past. I personally think we will all pay big time for the glory he seeks. Why don't we put up his lying image on that historical mountain side and get it over so that the power in washington can bring backs jobs and fix our great country, and think of bringing an end to the never ending wars we have going. Ok Mr. Robinson.

Posted by: sabestu | September 10, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans now have shown for all the country the base, true colors of their current party. No ideas, just tearing down
anyone that tries to oppose their views.
Obama will have to go with Democrats and leave this former "Party of Lincoln" on the
ash heap of history.
Republicans, have you no shame?

Posted by: bmiddleton1 | September 10, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

How quickly you forget how rude democrats were when they loudly booed Pres. Bush during his State of the Union speech. Don't start crying now at the Republicans, You guys started acting crude and childish first.

Posted by: liberalview21 | September 10, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Uh, Eugene, he did lie. He lies a lot. He lied during the campaign when he told people that he wouldn't try to mandate healthcare (he's now doing that), he lied when he told people that govt funds wouldn't pay for on demand abortions (so what then is "reproductive health"?), and he's lying when he says his plan won't cover illegal aliens.

That's not all but it doesn't matter anyway. Everybody knows he's a typical left wing radical now and his lies don't matter anymore. That's why this idiotic govt healthcare take over is crashing and burning and it's also why Cap & Trade will fail as well.

His "Presidency" is history. I know, I know. I'm saying this because he's black.

No, I'm saying this because he is what we on the right knew he was from day one, a radical empty suit with a WAY overrated brain.

Posted by: IUT1 | September 10, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

I was curious to learn about Joe Wilson's specific proposals for improving the nation's health care system but his congressional page is down. Well the President did say his doors are open to anyone with different proposals. I am sure it's open to Wilson as well.

Joe, I believe in redemption. If you have some good proposals, go discuss with President Obama --I don't think he is a man who holds grudges, so he will talk to you even after what you did to him.

Posted by: cudjoeman | September 10, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Manray123:

I agree with your general point that members of Congress should get their healthcare the same way ordinary American's will after some "reform" passes.
Don't pick on Rep Joe Wilson's healthcare plan, however. He is a retired Army Reserve Colonel (with combat time) and qualifies for TRICARE, the medical plan for most retired military.

Posted by: felix335 | September 10, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

I recall another republican from a long time ago, one Senator Joe McCarthy, who famously ranted and waved a bunch of papers in the air. Seems like old times again.

Posted by: adrienne_najjar | September 10, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson should be embarrassed and he will likely suffer as a result. However this entire Congress is an embarrassment.

IUT1, you are aware that the Dems have totally shut out the Reps for contributing to the bill so spare me the sanctimony.

And Obama says if ANYONE disparages his bill, they will be COMING AFTER YOU. Now that's leadership.

Posted by: Chaucer22 | September 10, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

He said that he'ld take Public Financing for his Presidential Campaign. He said he wouldn't TAX Employer Health Care Benefits. He said that Unemployment wouldn't go above 8% if his 'Stimulus' Plan was enacted. He said he NEVER, in TWENTY YEARS, heard Jeremiah Wright say those kind of RACIST, ANTI-SEMETIC, and AMERICA HATING things. He said that Bill Ayers was just 'some guy' who lived in his neighborhood. He says the Eric Holder is going after the CIA on his own. He says that HE has nothing to do with it. He says that Grandma won't have the plug pulled, you can keep your own doctors, ILLEGALS won't be covered, ABORTIONS won't be covered, and that 'HIS' Plan will bring the defecit DOWN.
Rep. Wilson just SAID, what everybody KNOWS. He's a LIAR. He's PATHOLOGICAL. And if the WAPO and his other Sychophantic Accolytes in the press, could stop being ENCHANTED, long enough to DO THEIR JOB, than this PUNK in the White House, would be held to account for all the LYING GARBAGE that comes out of his mouth.
It's ABOUT TIME that someone pointed out that this LYING MARXIST Has No CLOTHES.

Posted by: GoomyGommy | September 10, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

oh man . Obama Care is 1 big lie . For and by the "Elites." I'm still wondering how "1/10 of 1%" will lower the debt ? If that where true , and it isn't . Barry would have said it a month ago . Plus , Big plus.Pelosi did say ."Doesn't matter whats in the bill they vote in . We'll change it any way." WOW Gop is cowards and slime . What does that make Dems (besides Red) ???
BTW , this from the government that makes 2 Trillion dollar budget mistakes . OH My !

Posted by: tstencz1 | September 10, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I think the timing of Obama is excellent. The GOP has had plenty of time to behave civilized. They have shown the world their narrow-minded, ignorant ways. They are truely out of touch with the electorate. They behave like they won the election and that they are the majority party. How many times does Obama have to say that government is NOT taking over health care? Then the guy doing the GOP response said first thing, Americans do not want government to take over health care. Of course Americans do not want that, and that is not what is happening with the reform bills being proposed. How stupid the GOP looks. I cannot wait for the demise of these guys in the election districts where intelligent people reside. Of course where the ignorant people live, a few of these twits will still get elected. But their little uncivilized outbursts will become like swatting away a couple of annoying gnats.

Posted by: schaeffz | September 10, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Saint O can call people liars but anyone dare point out that he is the liar in chief is behaving badly. Gene, I think you forgot to call them racists too.

Posted by: KABOOKEY | September 10, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Here we have one more instance of the kind of incivility that is rampant throughout our society. I suspect that our country is becoming ungovernable by any measurement. Mr. Obama, at least, is coherent, as opposed to the rabble-rousers in Congress. It is our own fault, however, as we have sent them there to represent us. We are approaching the repeating of the French Revolution of the 18th century.

Posted by: Geezer4 | September 10, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Gene.

While one Republican lawmaker lost control and called Obama a liar, Obama called half of all American citizens liars.

The one Republican lawmaker apologized profusely, saying he got emotional and lost control. He has since been most contrite.

Obama's arrogance only grows.

Obama is trying to impose a massive health care system on us citizens that will coerce us to paying to schemes, even if our free will and better judgment tells us otherwise.

How will Obama ultimately inforce his scheme on us if we choose to be free? Of course, if we aren't "reasonable," he will send a many with a gun, our neighbor, a police officer, to "reason" with us.

This is coercion. This is not the way of a free people.

Reread his speech. It's there. Coercion.

I take two pledges: (1) I choose not to deny my neighbor his freedom (2) I choose to work against those people who are bent on denying my neighbor his freedom.

Health care reform should be implemented. And, it can be implemented, respecting our constitution and freedom. Obama's scheme is draconian and should be rejected.

Posted by: Cdgaman | September 10, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

The comment "You lie" was a response to the Presidents "assertion" that Obamacare would not cover illegals, who - as all pundits agree - make up about 12 million of 47 million uninsured. However, the Obamacare advocates insist that this bill would cover all 47 million. If illegals were exempt, then the Dems would be pushing 35 million and not the 47 million. Anyone who knows math can tell you that the White House still plans on covering the illegals. So, I guess if your definiton of to "lie" is not telling the truthm then Obama did lie.

Posted by: CubsFan | September 10, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

And now we present "Lust in Limbaughland" meets "The Mad Heckler"...

"I'm getting into spanking her"

"You lie!"

"She goes, 'I know you like spanking me.' I said, 'Yeah, that's 'cause you're such a bad girl.'"

"Not true!"

"I'm getting into...eye-patch underwear"

"What plan?"

"I'm getting into spanking her"

"It's true"

He shrugged, then consulted his BlackBerry. He puffed out his cheeks to exhale and licked his lips.

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | September 10, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

My Democratic congressmen tells me illegal aliens won't be covered. Obama tells me illegal aliens won't be covered. Who is behaving badly? OK, the Repugs should have left the truth to their response.

Posted by: hipshot | September 10, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

My Democratic congressman tells me illegal aliens won't be covered. Obama tells me illegal aliens won't be covered. Who is behaving badly? OK, the Repugs should have left the truth to their response.

Posted by: hipshot | September 10, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Republicans have been behaving badly for decades now. Their behavior is now exacerbated by the fact that the voting public sent them packing in 2008 and elected a Democratic -- black -- President.

Republicans in Congress should be relegated to the back of the class like the underachievers that they are and told, in so many words, that are they to dbe disruptive again, they'll be kicked out of the class.

Posted by: Gatsby10 | September 10, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Republicans have been behaving badly for decades now. Their behavior is now exacerbated by the fact that the voting public sent them packing in 2008 and elected a Democratic -- black -- President.

Republicans in Congress should be relegated to the back of the class like the underachievers that they are and told, in so many words, that are they to dbe disruptive again, they'll be kicked out of the class.

Posted by: Gatsby10 | September 10, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Its time for Obama to give up his absurd idea that you can deal with the GOP. He should follow the example of FDR and bury them. The Republicans can offer nothing but drivel and opposition. It is time to ship them off to the political wilderness for the next 8 years.

Posted by: dfdougherty

It makes one wonder why they don't, especially now while they can. Republicans are like the Israelis - they will NEVER compromise. They hate the words compromise, inclusion, tolerance and diversity like evil hates the light.

Weak-sister Pelosi, limped-wristed Reid and spineless Obama need to stand up to the racist right-wing bullying of Lord Cheney's 23% including the boorish, inbred, ignorant hillbillys South Carolina sent to The Hill in the forms of Wilson and DeMint.

Posted by: coloradodog | September 10, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

let me get this straight. Obama on national television in Congress calls Palin and his favorite strawmen liars, and - this is ok and presidential, while a so-called idiot Republican calls Obama a liar, which Obama was lying not only about immigrants but more importantly the cost, and this is distasteful? The hypocrisy kills me.

Think not too far back in 2005 when Bush was booed in Congress or when we laughed because a shoe was thrown at him. I dislike Bush but this was wrong. Yet the Left were gleefully saying he deserved it. Practice civility if you care to receive it in return. Former Democrat now an Independent.

AP's Factcheck. Obama was lying, has been lying, and is a liar.

Posted by: Jose3 | September 10, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

if only joe wilson was wrong. but he's right.

obama's lies were too many to count. someone had to call him to the floor for it and im glad rep. wilson did. it just shows you how brazen obama's lies have been that he illicited that sort of response from a normally soft-spoken representative.

The people arent going to stand Obama pretending he has a way to pay for health care when he doesnt, fool us with rosy scernaiors that the deficit is not going to go up, or that the public plan wont rely on subsidies (as medicare already does, via underpayments to medical providers which are passed on to the privately insured) in order to provide more "affordable" insurance to people.

we're tired of being lied too repeatedly and we will vote out every president until we find one who is a straight talker.

ex-obama voter

Posted by: dummypants | September 10, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

While Rep. Wilson's shouting was, indeed, uncivil, I like the idea of my elected representatives being able to challenge and question the president's assertions.
Why should they be required to sit silently - or clap - to reveal concerns over issues?
And all the kissy-face, huggy-wuggy between the president and his fawning adulators...the founders must be spinning in their graves! How many times does he have to kiss Hillary in prime time?
I wish our congress could be more like Britain's; frank, open disagreement where it exists instead of faux fawning and adulation of each president during some kind of forced ritual.
And what's with the "god bless you" ritual that has now established itself at the terminus of these ritual pontifical presentations? Basta.

Posted by: Davidd1 | September 10, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Eugene Robinson is a shill. The reason that the democrats want a bipartisan bill is only for political cover. The fact that the changes go into effect in 2003, 2003!!! is that Obama wants to have a chance to be re-elected before the American public realizes the bitter pill that they will have to swallow if Obama Care goes through.
Obama said nothing last night about how he is to pay for his plan. Only someone without the ability to think can possibly believe that increasing the number of insured, improving quality and improving access are all compatible. This is a bald faced lie. If Obama really believes this, he is a bigger idiot than he appears. The only other explanation is that he is trying to pull one off on the American public. He is also proposing policies that will reduce the number of physicians. The newly formed Council on Physician and Nurse Supply says the United States may lack as many as 200,000 needed physicians (and 800,000 nurses) by 2020. The changes his is proposing will only worsen this. This is beyond politics. It is idiocy. Reform our current system without the
Government. God help us all.

Posted by: piperdoc | September 10, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I agree that Joe Wilson was very rude and should be condemned for his behavior. However I don't agree that Republicans should have to vote for President Obama's plan just because he was elected president and that the Republicans are in the minority in Congress. The legislative process is not a dictatorial process. Health care reform can come in another form other than what is proposed by President Obama and the Democrats in Congress, and the only options should not be just yes or no to their proposals.

Posted by: Sam73 | September 10, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Hey-- did you whine about the Dems booing Bush when he spoke on Social security at a joint session? If it is wrong one way it is the other way too. Sure it was wrong for Wilson to burst out, but at least he said sorry. I don't remember anyone saying sorry for booing Bush.

Posted by: coach3 | September 10, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

"You lie!" Big deal. Really, big, big deal!

The Democrat "outrage" over this is hard to believe.

Posted by: Revcain777 | September 10, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Everything has the advantages and disadvantages.
One advantage of "dictatorship" is, it makes people behave. Joe Wilson could try to live a little bit in such countries. May be he can learn something!

Posted by: fridamulindayahoocouk | September 10, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

The GOP can't figure out why it is now the party of white southerns. Keep it up.

Posted by: jckdoors | September 10, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Well said Eugene, you summed up the speech (and what was heard and seen)of the president to congress quite well!

After hearing what the president wants for Health care reform, there is "no way" anyone now can distort the type of reform the president wants. That is unless one has a purely racist "mindset".

The republicans once again showed their ignorant hand (and to believe there are people who actually vote for these people...oh my goodness), and further showed that they are in fact the party of "no".

Posted by: rayven-t | September 10, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

your thoughts are just that. the thoughts of an old man that only babbles and drools in his meandering writings that are only slightly slanted to the left,left,left,left,left

Posted by: robertbeaver | September 10, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

JOE WILSON POSTER CHILD for Republican idiocy. He is the quintessential image of Republican hypocrisy since it is his party that lied America into war and economic catastrophe. Go back to your contrived racist district in South Karolina.

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | September 10, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

"While Rep. Wilson's shouting was, indeed, uncivil, I like the idea of my elected representatives being able to challenge and question the president's assertions."

Joe Wilson has taken nearly $30,000 from the health care lobby this election cycle. On whose behalf is he stirring up this GOP lynch mob, yours or his masters in the insurance racket?

Posted by: squier13 | September 10, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Where were the hate based white ringers when George Walker Bush did in FACT LIE?

Posted by: whocares666 | September 10, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Last night was a night of embarrassment and deep shame for the Republican party. Conservatives in our country deserve much better and much more mature leadership. The GOP should clean house internally, then put uneducated pundits like Limbaugh, Beck, O'Reilly on notice. Then and only then can they reclaim a valid, sane voice in American politics.

Posted by: MickNamVet | September 10, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning:

"Imagine the outrage from the right if a Democrat had yelled out "You lie!" to President Bush during one of his speeches??!!

Posted by: radioone1 | September 10, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson should not have shouted out.

The Republicans should have just Booed Obama like the Dems did Bush.

Posted by: noneya3 | September 10, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Eugene. Republicans ought to follow the example of how democrats treated President Bush over the last 8 years. Never once did a single congressional democrat ever act in a disrespectful manner towards Pres. Bush, never once. I know this because Eugene, who doesn't have a partisan bone in his body, just like all members of the mainstream press, would surely have pointed it out.

Also, thanks to all the democrats on this page, who also have never, ever once said anything disrespectful about Pres. Bush. Thanks to all the democrats here who from the beginning were always willing to give consideration to whatever Pres. Bush was proposing before objecting in a calm, polite and civil manner. We republicans would be well advised to follow your example.

Posted by: tonypal | September 10, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Since bipartisanship is obviously dead, it is time to tell the Party of No "The train is leaving. Be on it or be under it."

Posted by: dataflunky | September 10, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

To think that anyone, anyone could excuse Wilson's behavior, is astoundingly sad. Sad.

Posted by: MGT2 | September 10, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Congressman Wilson was wrong, he's said he was, in a way kinda sorta. Still, the circus goes on and it goes on here. Posters decrying Wilson's outburst are correct, he called the president of our country a liar in the halls of congress with the entire government present. It shows disrespect not only for the president but for the citizens who elected that president by a wide margin. If you voted for Obama he disrespected you.

Funny but those who are of the other persuasion now try to prove we did it too. No democrat has ever called the president a liar in such a forum, never. If we continue down this road much longer we approach the point where we no longer talk but begin acting. Its sort of the shades of 1860... Think, pull back. Von Clausewitz said that war was the extension of politics by other means. We all need to understand that the converse of that statement is that politics is that which mitigates against our having to go to war. We should indulge in politics in order to debate and reach good solutions through compromise, not as blood sport.

Posted by: robertmerry | September 10, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

For all you self-righteous Obama sycophants, here's a fact you can check on YouTube:

President George W. Bush is booed and heckled by Democrats at his 2005 State of the Union address.

Get over yourselves. Obama lies every time he speaks--and people are seeing through the false rhetoric. The rest of you are easily manipulated by his faux preacher delivery. Good for you. He also ripped off ideas that he ridiculed last year (mandates and tax credits) from Clinton and McCain last year.

Posted by: franf1 | September 10, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Come on, Gene, you know Bush was heckled by Democrats during his speeches. Heckling presidents is as American as apple pie. The president is not sacrosanct, only the Republic is.

Posted by: ravitchn | September 10, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson brought shame upon himself and his state of South Carolina. He should offer a full apology to the WH, Congress, and the American people, then resign his seat.

Our country has big problems and we need grownups in office to solve them. He obviously isn't fit to serve.

Posted by: Pupster | September 10, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Robertmerry, short or selective memory. Harry Reid and other prominent politicians repeatedly called Bush a liar. Not one but several Dems booed Bush during the State of the Union in 1995. I'm not defending Bush, nor the outburst, but please spare me the victim card. Obama is a liar see AP factcheck on yahoo.

Posted by: Jose3 | September 10, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Why are Republicans the party of "No" if they don't agree with and don't vote for the Democrats' bills in Congress? Does that mean when Democrats were in the minority in Congress and didn't agree with or vote for Republican bills that they were the party of "No" then?

Posted by: Sam73 | September 10, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Iam so tired of all these un-educated,poor white trash, who have no common sense and who cant see the writting on the wall, that the times have changed. This is not the 60's, where if your white you expect everything to be given to you, it aint happening anymore. God is tired of you racist pigs and you will be punished in your own ignorance.And for the people who just can't stand to see an intellegent black man use tact and precision and reasoning, your being punished for all the racist comments or thoughts that you have or ever had said or did, so live with it, our the get the f--- out of the country. What we need to do is put all you racist pigs including that a-- from SC on a space ship and shoot all of you out of the world so you can be president of the moon, and for the birthers your just so totally dumb or just totally stupid, only because he is a black man, he is the president and will be for the next 8yrs so get over it and get a life. So all of you racist who calls obama a lier, take a step back and look what george bush and Dick head has done to all those poor kids killed in iraq for nothing "weapons of mass" huh! wasting all the tax payers money, torture and lies, what nerve, this comment doesnt pertain to the educated common sense people, keep pushing we have to work together for a common purpose.

Posted by: mikehall402002 | September 10, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I am so extremely tired of South Carolinian politicians acting like they're begrudgingly part of the Union. Please..please...if they decide to secede again, for God's sake let them go!

Posted by: InRealAmerica | September 10, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse


thanks for shilling for obama. i was not clear as to what he wanted to say, so thanks again for letting me know his thoughts. which must be easy for you considering your head's proximity to his brain being so far up his colon!

Posted by: jrzshor | September 10, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I'm spanish and I disagree with Obama. Am I a Republican racist? This is why Dems are losing Independents. The party of NO? Obama LIE to you repeatedly. For months the Republicans have asked for interstate compoetition, pooling insurance, tort reform, catastrophic insurance - all cost effect ways to address cost but a democrat controlled congress means they don't need Republicans. It's your moderates who agree with the dissident voices. Leave the talkig points behind and practice critical thinking. All recent presidents have been slammed or called worse. Get use to it though we think it is wrong as I do. A victim card will not change my mind.

Posted by: Jose3 | September 10, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

there is a double standard practiced by libeals. clearly, they can critize all things Bush, but no critizism is allow for Obama.

they seem to have forgotten how rude they were when Bush spoke at a joint session. here is just one comment from that event:
•JOHN ROBERTS (CBS White House correspondent): At a couple points in this address, it looked more like the British Parliament than the United States Congress. I’ve never heard the minority party shout at the president during the State of the Union address. [CBS, post-speech coverage, 2/2/05]

during his speech, Obama constantly called opponants liars and fear mongers, that was OKAY? He refused to acknowledge that Republican have made purposals, over 800 of them, even when they held up some of them for him to see.

Wilson admitted that he let his emotions get the best of him, i felt the same way. Obama didn't exactly tell the truth since without a citizenship verification requirement, illegal aliens who meet the income requirements could receive vouchers that could be used to purchase health care.

i wonder what would Obama have to say or do that would draw any negative reaction from his supporters. so far, nothing and they act like anyone who doesn't agree with him is at the very least Un-patriotic.

if critizism was good for Bush why is it not okay for Obama. Dissent was considered good for Bush but somehow it is bad when Obama is on the receiving end.

I have lived a long time and have never know any politician to be right 100% of the time, until now. at least according to you.

Posted by: ladyshondra | September 10, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson is a disgrace. Unfortunately, my fellow South Carolinians don't agree. One redneck in my office laughing about it, saying how proud she was of Wilson. I'm surrounded by illiterate, ill-informed, uneducated bufoons. Of course, the redneck's unmarried, pregnant teenage daughter will soon be feeding at the public trough, but that's different.

Posted by: nanmccarthy | September 10, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

"Joe Wilson has taken nearly $30,000 from the health care lobby..."

And how many dems have taken nearly $30,000 from the lawyer lobby? Don't bother, it's a rhetorical question.

Posted by: Davidd1 | September 10, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

How quickly liberals forget the way Democrats acted when President Bush was in office. And for the record, when President Obama said that illegal immigrants wouldn't be covered under the House bill, he was, in fact, lying. With no requirement to prove citizenship illegals will be able to acquire health care like anyone else. On the flip side, if illegal immigrants won't be covered, why keep including them in the "47 million unensured" that keeps getting thrown around?

Posted by: SupportAndDefendTheConstitution | September 10, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

How quickly you forget how rude democrats were when they loudly booed Pres. Bush during his State of the Union speech. Don't start crying now at the Republicans, You guys started acting crude and childish first.

Posted by: liberalview21
Attitudes like this are exactly the problem. It's very immature. Who cares that Dems booed Bush? It was wrong for Dems to do that then and it was wrong for Republicans to have acted the way they did last night. You can disagree or outright despise the person that holds the office of POTUS, but regardless of that, you should respect the office. We're embarrassing ourselves.

Posted by: beaker1 | September 10, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm spanish and I disagree with Obama. Am I a Republican racist? This is why Dems are losing Independents. The party of NO? Obama LIE to you repeatedly. For months the Republicans have asked for interstate compoetition, pooling insurance, tort reform, catastrophic insurance - all cost effect ways to address cost but a democrat controlled congress means they don't need Republicans. It's your moderates who agree with the dissident voices. Leave the talkig points behind and practice critical thinking. All recent presidents have been slammed or called worse. Get use to it though we think it is wrong as I do. A victim card will not change my mind.

Posted by: Jose3 | September 10, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I guess the President will want to wear heavy leather gloves to the next State of the case someone tries to bite off a finger . . .

Posted by: kenhyde | September 10, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Obama called out Republicans as "Bogus Liars" and after that he was called out!!

Well who started this trash talk anyway????

Posted by: jcrocket | September 10, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, Gene. Your perceptions exactly matched mine and my daughter's as we watched the speech. The Republicans had already been in the gutter, but It was mostly the talk-show people, Fox News, and a few far-right-"religious" congress people. (How they can call themselves "religious" is beyond me, but self-delusion is rampant, and we're used to it.) But for a Representative to shout epithets at the President during a joint session is outrageous and shows just how low they've gone. Even that representative knows it. His party knows it. He now has his tail between his legs. He will probably lose his seat.

Comments here in response who continue to do nothing but name-call can be glossed over. The screaming and the name-callers only have one weapon, and they've used it. They're done.

Posted by: cturtle1 | September 10, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm. I don't recall Mr. Robinson expressing outrage or disgust when democrats booed President Bush during a State of the Union Address. Guess the definition of behaving badly depends on what your definition if "is" is, right Eugene?

Posted by: BlueIguana | September 10, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

'Twas a wonderful contrast. John Lewis vs Maddox's goons. Intellect vs fury. The land of of the best and best of the worst. At least Joe Whasisname did not throw a molotov, curse or pull a weapon. Just hope that he is ready to go to his corner. These guys are in their death throes and it just is not pretty.

Posted by: Draesop | September 10, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, uh, Gene, did you happen to notice the links on Drudge to the stories,

FLASHBACK: Top Dem calls Bush 'loser' and liar...
FLASHBACK: Dems booed Bush during State of Union Speech...
FLASHBACK: Obama Accused Bill Clinton of Telling 'Bald-Faced Lies'...


Posted by: uclajd | September 10, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Incivility is bad manners - what's really outrageous is that opponents of a public option seem to be willing to just roll the uninsured into the streets when they get cancer, autoimmune disease, diabetes, or hereditary orphan diseases.

The Western world has experience with just tossing people aside to die, and then rolling them into pauper's fields.

But what would Jesus say about us protecting our pharmaceuticals and insurance stocks by throwing away the least of our brethren?

Behaving like asses and bullies is just a demonstration of the pols' inner selves - it's their execrable policy and patronage that should worry us.

Posted by: practica1 | September 10, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

this dope is no different than the rest of them. lie,make stupid statements and then apologize. similar to u carrer criminal

Posted by: pofinpa | September 10, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Congress should immediately pass a health care reform bill with a strong public option and name it after Wilson. Republicans had eight years. They are the problem.

Posted by: SarahBB | September 10, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

didn't you know that if we reduce health care spending my one-tenth of one percent then we will save over $1,000,000,000,000 ..... how can our president quote a stat like that, and not be called a liar.

Of course, I'm still thankful for his great work in solving our economic crisis. Nothing like 9.7 pct unemployment to give us the old jump start. Last I checked, the unemployed don't pay many taxes. Where are the statistics on tax revenue genenerated in first half of 2009 compared to estimates..... don't expect we will see that published anytime soon.

But then again, my president told me that health-care reform will give the economy a boost..... if that is so, why is he waiting until 2013 to enact it?

In what direction are we going right now? Anyway who says forward better re-check the map

Posted by: ptandcarol | September 10, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

In an editorial cartoon in my newspaper this morning, the name-callers and screamers were shown as the Boy Who Called Wolf, and I thought it was beyond appropriate. They've called Obama so many ridiculous names, they've screamed about his birth, they've whined about mythological "death panels", they've terrorized parents of school children, they've paraded their Hitler signs, they've gotten red-faced and carried guns to town halls.

None of it works. Tantrums of Two-Year-Olds. Ho Hum. Teen Screamers. They are embarrassingly childish and immature.

The Boy Who Cried Wolf was, of course, listened to the first time, and the second time, and never again. When the Boy actually had something to say that meant something -- and wasn't just false alarm after false alarm -- no one listened to him. He was completely discredited. He'd lost the trust of ordinary, sensible human beings.

Maybe someday in the future, the GOP will have a good idea. But will it occur to anyone to listen?

Posted by: cturtle1 | September 10, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Eugene Robinson, We Love You Man! Here is what I have to say:
The Joe Wilsons of this world, smug as they are, are working with a partisan, mob mentality, or they are lost to the opposition party's fraternity highjinks of enjoying a grid-lock rather than any substantive improvement on healthcare. I propose that we threaten to take away the free health insurance of every member of Congress, starting immediately, unless all Americans can have what they have, and then let's see just how long they take to come up with a bill for ALL OF US AS GOOD AS THEIR COVEARAGE!!!!!! Can you imagine hearing Dole state that we should start over on tv this week end. Only an idiot, that is an idiot with free health insurance could say that.

Posted by: jbarish313 | September 10, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Rude or not, Joe Wilson was 100% correct though.

Mr Obama's healthcare plan will cover illegal aliens by default, if not by explict designation. The reason is that his plan does not overturn EMTALA, the Federal Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, also known as COBRA or the Patient Anti-Dumping Law. This set of statutes makes it illegal for emergency rooms to turn away patients for any reason until they've both been evaluated and their condition(s) stabilized. i.e. they receive medical treatment. While the Obama plan will cover indigent citizens (provided they can prove their citizenship), it does not directly cover illegals. That coverage is provided by healthcare facilities passing the costs on to those who can pay for treatment (i.e. individuals, insurance companies, and the government.

Obama was also wrong when he said that his program wouldn't cause any changes in current coverage. Again, a distortion of the truth. Insurance companies currently charge higher premiums to cover the extra costs passed on to them by healthcare facilities to cover indigent care. The government WILL increase taxes to provide coverage; but insurance companies are NOT going to lower their rates. End result will be a higher total cost for healthcare levied on the tax payers.

Yeah, Wilson, et. al. were rude to the President. Maybe we should take them out and shoot them the way the late Robert Heinlein often suggested for terminal rudeness. But they had damn good, valid reasons for being so.

Posted by: mhoust | September 10, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, those "so-called" human beings held up their "so-called" reform bill. You tell 'em, Gene. And keep hating, Gene, it becomes you, you good little Democrat operative, you.

Posted by: chatard
From the tone of your post, I wouldn't go around judging anyone else for being a hater, chatard. Sounds like you have some work to do in that regard yourself.

In the meantime, try reading what Mr. Robinson actually wrote without the hate-tinted goggles you bought from the RNC.

Posted by: dbitt | September 10, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Where was the outrage when the Democrats jumped up and down and booed and shouted during President Bush's speech to Congress.

Mr. Robinson, spare me your phony concerns.

Did you speak out when it was Democrats being disrespectful to our President?

Neither side should boo or interrupt the President by calls or comments.

But if you prefer one side over the other, you just encourage it.

Posted by: jgfox39 | September 10, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

To those saying, like middle-schoolers, that they're screaming and whining because Dems did that to Bush -- I'd love to remind them that Bush got all sorts of bipartisan support in the beginning. He got cooperation on No Child. He had hardly tried anything in his first 8 months before 9/11 (and had spent considerable August time in Crawford), but Dems were not screaming, threatening him with guns, name-calling or waving silly signs. Only after we found out his outrageous war-of-choice -- and really not even then, except for a few perceptive Dems -- did anyone get angry enough to shout in frustration. But conservatives have decided not to be adults. EVen the argument that "you did a bad thing, so we will, too" (though not truly analogous) is childish.

Posted by: cturtle1 | September 10, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, Wilson, et. al. were rude to the President. Maybe we should take them out and shoot them the way the late Robert Heinlein often suggested for terminal rudeness. But they had damn good, valid reasons for being so.

Posted by: mhoust
Are you serious? This clown had a "valid" reason to be rude to the President, embarrassing his state and showing the world what a second-rate bunch of hicks the Republicans have become?

Obama did not "lie" about illegals and health care. Illegals cannot benefit from the health care plan that is being put forward. The fact that illegals currently benefit from access to emergency care (as do homeless and unemployed persons who are here legally) is NOT a part of this debate! But please, don't let facts get in the way of your little diatribe, mhoust-- facts only confuse, whereas bumper sticker slogans are ALWAYS true.

Posted by: dbitt | September 10, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

BTW, does anyone really think that the rumbling of disagreement among the Dems during W's reign of error is the same as yelling out "you lie!" during a speech?

If so, you have a really messed up sense of proportion. Dems *never* embarrassed themselves the way Wilson did last night.

Posted by: dbitt | September 10, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

CubsFan at 9:02am said:
Obamacare advocates insist that this bill would cover all 47 million. If illegals were exempt, then the Dems would be pushing 35 million and not the 47 million. Anyone who knows math can tell you that the White House still plans on covering the illegals.

CubsFan, anyone who actually watched President Obama's speech knows that you are wrong and that, in fact, he referred to the "more than 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage" in his speech.

Perhaps the next time you choose to represent such a fine ballclub you will have your facts in hand before you put words to screen.

Posted by: liberalsmakegreatlovers | September 10, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

In the region where I reside, 2006 was a real wake up call for the GOP, which was very strong until then. Long standing reps of the GOP, .... gone. Long before anyone around here even heard of Barack Obama. ... And it isn't getting any better for the GOP. ... Not in the face of such sensible speeches our current President continues to deliver. He still is one of the best at building for the future. Hope.

Posted by: deepthroat21 | September 10, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

What in God's name are they putting in the water down in South Carolina? First, Governor Mark Sanford's crazy Argentinian misadventure. Then Jim DeMint's odious gaffe on Obama's waterloo. Now this ignoramus stinking up the floor of the House of Representatives with his appallingly juvenile behaviour.

If there were ever any doubts about the GOP being led into a hogpen of vile animus and incivility, there aren't anymore. You can thank Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Michael Savage and the entire crew of Fox News for turning the GOP into little more than an addled, unintelligent gaggle of dittoheads with bulging eyes, red faces and drool dribbling from the corners of their foamy mouths.

Posted by: jaxas | September 10, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

You and all the Democrats have short memories, Eugene!

Joe's outburst does have a recent precedent. The Democrats roundly booed Bush during his address on the need for Social Security reform to a joint session of Congress in 2005.

And, unfortunately, it's too late for Teddy Kennedy to make amends and apologize for calling Bush a "liar" on the floor of the Senate.

During the health-care debate, neither the president nor his confederates have set any standard for civility. Their response to those who dare to question their plans is to accuse them of lying.

Posted by: judithod | September 10, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

We would be a better nation if we did something like the British system in the House of Commons. We are nation so PC and corked up that the emotional side of these issues cannot get laid out. It is too our detriment.

I voted for Obama but find that President Barry White is the wrong person to talk about health care as he is puffing his Kool's on the back portico of the White House. Health starts with each persons individual responsibility.

Posted by: revoevo | September 10, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I don't remember you criticizing Democrats that booed Bush during his State of the Union. I suppose that would be because the Democrats can never do any wrong with you. Especially your dear sainted leader Lord Obama. Funny thing, the only thing being talked about this morning is not the President's message that he was trying to get out. It is whether the President is being truthful.

Posted by: jadrummond | September 10, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

It was one Republican. One. Uno. One Republican shouted out, people. Get a grip.

Posted by: lbrlzsuk | September 10, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

To jgfox39 who wrote: "Where was the outrage when the Democrats jumped up and down and booed and shouted during President Bush's speech to Congress."

Democrats never jumped up and down, shouting during Bush's speech (any of them) to Congress. Didn't happen. You want credibility? Trust in your opinion? Try reality. None of the post-speech reports I've seen can come up with any such equivalence.

Posted by: cturtle1 | September 10, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Is there any doubt that the republican party needs a makeover or a complete replacement? Clueless Joe is just a symptom of the cancer eating away at the republican party.

Posted by: tplocki | September 10, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

The Dems started this stuff by booing Bush. And, the mainstream media gave them a free pass. But, Wilson was wrong to continue it.

The speech itself was just more campaigning. That's all this guy knows how to do.

Robinson is his usual Obama-lap-dog self.

Posted by: PS7900 | September 10, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Wilson is no better than a 2 year old who runs through a coctail party shouting obscenities. He should be ignored.
If this is the best the Republicans can do in response to the proposals President Obama has presented for health care reform they are just acting in bad faith. It's time Republicans revise their apparent philosophy of "it's not enough that I succeed but that the rest of the country should fail." Republicans represent all of their constituents and morally they have the responsibility for seeing that the needs of their electorate are represented not just the big money interests who are making donations.

Posted by: OhMy | September 10, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Is it only me or does it look like history is beginning to repeat itself. Lincoln was from Illinois and so is Obama. Wilson is from South Carolina and SC was the first state to secede. The South which seceded seems pretty much as solidly against Obama today as it was against Lincoln in 1861. Obama who's said to have always looked up to Lincoln could appear to be heading down the same path as Lincoln.. even down to the fact the Union was represented by the color Blue back then. Of course the South will not secede this time.. but you can't deny the more things change the more things stay the same...

Posted by: sovine08 | September 10, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Someone points out that it was one Republican who shouted like a child during the President's speech, as if it were an aberration. It might have been an aberration, if it were not completely representative of Republican behavior across the board during the month of August. It was one instance among thousands of similar incidences. The Republicans have lost their cool. Not just one, but so many that the rest of us are embarrassed on their behalf.

It would be refreshing to see a calm, reasonable, cool, collected opposition party. But if they want to collectively behave like freakishly robotic, mantra-screaming mobs, then it's better for the rest of us, because that sort of bad behavior is routinely discounted by adults.

Posted by: cturtle1 | September 10, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

South Carolina must indeed be proud of its republican party, starting with its governor and now with Joe the clueless.

Posted by: tplocki | September 10, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

mhoust: "Mr Obama's healthcare plan will cover illegal aliens by default, if not by explict designation."

The current healthcare covers illegal aliens by default. Unless, you're willing to let people die in the street, anyone who goes to an emergency room is going to get treatment.

Posted by: sjpatejak | September 10, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I believe our leaders should be respectful
I believe Wilson was wrong
I beiieve Robinson is not being honest
He should tell the readers that the Democrats called Bush liar & loser multiple times during his State of the Union
Honesty & respect BY ALL should be the standard

Posted by: jlpjlp | September 10, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Democrats booed Bush during a State of the Union address. According to Robinson that display would likely have been characterized as enlightened. This guy's reactions to events are as predictable as a three-year olds.

Posted by: mhr614 | September 10, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

to jlpjlp: okay, i'm biased, i'm a progressive who thought and thinks gwb is a good man who exemplifies the peter principle and who, unfortunately, was directed by his vice president; however, i never recall democrats calling bush lia and loser multile times during this state of the union.

just when one thought the republicans could go no lower in their quest to protect their corporate sponsors and their own political power, pandering and manipulating americans for their own political gain, along comes rep. joe wilson.

Posted by: sbvpav | September 10, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

The reason why Republicans are so against Obama is because they are too busy texting on their Blackberries, that they never hear him.

That is why in every news conference they say " I didn't hear anything about a plan" or "I didn't hear him say how this would be paid for.".

Wow for a "Grand" Ole Party, you guys are about as attentive as a three year old.

Posted by: wlockhar | September 10, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Ok Republicans please post the bill you don't have so we can all read it.

Posted by: JoeNTx | September 10, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

It's fascinating to see that the GOP has decided (and sanctioned, if not instigated) the whole "Let's scream them down!" tactic. If you have no better ideas, no rational point to make, no principled stand, then I guess you have to resort to gun-toting, sign-waving, robotic behaviors. "Hey, if we can't come up with any good ideas of our own and can't imagine arguing against massive insurance bureaucracies, let's try screaming names at the President!"

Very impressive. Very thoughtful. Effective? Only the first time. After a whole month of similar screaming? You've got to be kidding. They're creating their oppositions' campaign ads. Here's Rep. GOP (you fill in the name) red-faced and screaming. Hmm. I think I'll send my donation to someone I can be proud of.

Posted by: cturtle1 | September 10, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson simply forgot he wasn't cloaked in his white linens and hood. The Republican Party needs to build a cloak room where they can appropriately dress the part before attending future sessions of Congress.

Perhaps even prepare to burn a cross on the White House lawn.

A most pathetic ignorant group Republicans have become.

Posted by: motiv8ed | September 10, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

"The idiot Joe Wilson from South Carolina would face a recall if the people of his state have any decency. What total arses the Republicans have become. What happened to decency?"

ElectricBill has it exactly right.

I'll just add that Joe Wilson brings to mind another "Joe" in Congress many decades ago who was ultimately felled by the question "Sir, have you no decency?"

Posted by: kjohnson3 | September 10, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I agree completely that we need A LOT more civility on both sides. But I don't understand where the view comes from that everything the President says is a lie. It seems it doesn't matter what he says including "the sun came up today." The haters will call that a lie as well. It was a very encouraging and extremely discouraging evening at the same time.

Posted by: hpfl | September 10, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

The President was civil and bi-partisan. Hardly. He doubled-down and swung Left.

Didn't he embrace the Republicans non-inclusion of illegal immigrants ? Yes but do we REALLY believe doctors and health providers will be empowered by a liberal Congress to check for ID ? Hey I have a bridge for you ! : )

Didn't the President embrace "tort reform" ? oops NOT.

Didn't the President ask his Democrat friends to specifically exclude abortion coverage ? oops NOT.

After all is said and done... the President lied to sell his unaffortable proposals (ref. CBO) Even though Joe Wilson was uncivil in his outburst... millions of Americans felt the same way... Joe was the one person to speak the truth out-loud.

Posted by: pvilso24 | September 10, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

republicons were foaming at the mouth earlier this week because the President of the United States told school kids they should study and work hard. Now they are acting like 3rd grade bullies on the floor of congress and shrieking out like tea baggers at a town hall. When do they show up in a tiny car with their big shoes?

Posted by: John1263 | September 10, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm. Let me think about this. Ordinary citizens came out in force to the town hall meetings in opposition to Obamacare....

Posted by: allamer1

Since the President had not put forth a plan, what were they in opposition to? There is no unified bill in either the House or Senate, so what SPECIFICALLY was there to oppose? The Town Halls were meant as informational, not a forum for untrue allegations faxed from the FOX Network headquarters. (Sounds very odd hearing "regular" people all over the country quoting the same incorrect "facts" and "figures".)

Posted by: jayjordan | September 10, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

A handful of yahoos showing up armed with guns but not facts should never be the arbiter of our political debate. This is not some loony tune version of the old west in 1830, this is the United States of America in 2009. President Obama was scorned by right wingers like glen beck for being like hitler because he told kids they should work hard and study, and this troglodyte called him a liar ON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS when he was elling the truth. Birthers, religious fanatics, and death panel believing nut cases.

Posted by: John1263 | September 10, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

To all of you who were pleased at the behavior of Mr. South Carolina, did you see that he abjectly apologized -- immediately? This is Tail-Between-His-Legs time. Shameful.

He knows he was wrong. He is ashamed of himself. He will not be glad he broke precedent. Mr. South Carolina has made a spectacle of himself forever. He was "emotional" he claims.

Well, yes. Rationality and thoughtfulness aren't exactly part of the GOP plan. If they had ideas, they'd not have to resort to name-calling the President of the United States. (Is this their country, too? Do they believe in democratically elected presidents? Or have they decided on secession . . . again.)

Thus, you defenders of Wilson are fairly isolated. I might say extreme. Wilson himself (along with McCain, Gingrich, & other GOP leaders) intensely regrets his "emotional" outburst. We expect more of our leaders, don't we? No matter what side we're on. Time for the GOP to get some serious leaders.

Posted by: cturtle1 | September 10, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Imagine the outrage from Chairman limbaugh if a Democrat had yelled out "you lie" to bush? There were ample opportunities when it would have at least been accurate, unlike this troll wilson. However, it would have been a disgrace nonetheless.

Posted by: John1263 | September 10, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I have watched many SOTU speeches and Joint Session of Congress addresses over the years and never have I seen such disrespect on display from either side like I witnessed last night. Was it too much to ask or expect that tax paid representatives behave like adults for an hour? Children in school behave better during assembly. Some Republicans showed their true colors last night and what they are really all about -- obstruction. Hey, Wilson, a Joint Session ain't a Tea Party.

Posted by: creatia52 | September 10, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse


The hypocrisy of those who attack Wilson is simply stunning. If it was wrong for Wilson to call Obama a "liar," how can it be right for Obama to accuse his critics of lying? The unfortunate "truth" is that Wilson was discourteous, not wrong, when he expressed his frustration with Obama.

In fact, Obama's speech was riddled with inconsistencies that demonstrate an extreme parsimony for the truth. Lest anyone think otherwise, consider the following Orwellian “doublespeak” distilled from Obama's speech:

1. Obama will reduce the national debt by increasing the budget deficit.

2. Obama will save money on health care by spending more money on health care.

3. Obama will decrease government inefficiency by creating a new health care bureaucracy that will increase government inefficiency.

4. Obama will improve health care for the elderly by gutting $500 billion dollars from Medicare.

5. Obama will not ration heath care but will add more than 30 million people to a health care system that already needs more health care professionals.

6. Obama will prohibit illegal aliens from receiving health care but fail to institute adequate verification systems barring illegal aliens from receiving health care.

7. Obama promises that no one will lose their insurance but induces employers to dump their employees into Obama's public insurance plan.

8. Obama will not create "death panels" that pull the plug on grandma, but supports government sponsored end-of-life consultations that will encourage grandma to pull the plug on herself.

9. Obama will drastically reduce the Medicare payments doctors receive for treating the elderly without creating a disincentive for doctors to provide that care.

10. Obama will fulfill his campaign promise to impose no individual health care mandates by mandating health insurance for all individuals.

11. Obama will fight against the “special interests” by making secretive deals with most of these “special interests,” such as the sweet heart deal the pharmaceutical industry received for pledging, in part, 150 million dollars to pay for pro-ObamaCare advertising.

12. Obama will ensure comprehensive health care “reform” but fail to combat junk malpractice lawsuits, other than create a meaningless pilot program that he will conveniently ignore just as soon as he institutes it.

13. Obama will ensure “competition” in the insurance industry by creating a government monopoly that will destroy competition, not create it.

Yes, Wilson lacked decorum when he called Obama a "liar." Unfortunately, he was merely expressing the frustration millions of Americans experience when they listen to "doublespeak," rather than straight talk, from Obama.

Wilson was correct in apologizing to Obama. Obama should now follow Wilson’s good example and apologize to the American people.

Posted by: mmcsorley | September 10, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Thanks again, Mr. Robinson, for a straightforward look at what transpired last night. President Obama continually demonstrates his own civility in trying to work for the American people. He is a great model for us and our youth.

Posted by: BooJa | September 10, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans are going to simply be left behind. They will not be serious enough to put their stamp on the bill. They lose an opportunity. Let's end their credibility coverage. They have a pre-existing condition. It's called ignorance and stubbornness.

Posted by: cturtle1 | September 10, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. You can point out the truth about a libral's pipe dreams but you can't help them understand! Why??? BECAUSE THEY ARE REALLY PLAIN STUPID. What used to be just reckless with the truth has turned to being just plain lying Mr. President. The more you talk the worse the lie gets.

Posted by: reco2221 | September 10, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

It seems to me that these America hating Limbaugh sycophants are unwilling to act in a bipartisan way.

The American voters gave the Democratic Party a Triumverate of power in the form of control of Senate, Congress and Presidency.

If the GOP cannot act in a bipartisan manner it is time to use the power the electorate gave the Demcratic Party and lock the GOP out of all legislation.

The Democratic Party and the US President has tried the velvet glove.

Today the GOP spat on it.

Time for the iron fist.

Posted by: walker1 | September 10, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

After watching President Obama's chat on the state of our nation's health care, I wondered if I was still in the U.S.! To hear the outcry's in the background supposedly coming from all sides of the chambers of our lawmaker's. How disrespectful to the President of the United States of America! We all have diagreements with politician's, and we the people can fix that at election time. Perhaps the people should start putting term limits back on the table, as some of these yahoo's have been there so long that they are going through their second childhood. Last night confirms that; they act like children! With all due respect for the senior citizen, there are just some that "forget" what our country is about...respect to all others no matter what they believe in or what color their skin is! Last night proves that this country needs to regroup, especially in the chambers where precedents are made!

Posted by: honestronb | September 10, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I love the irony that the conservatives who supposedly believe in strong family values are now offering an example of Very Bad Behavior to young people. Rep. Wilson loses his cool in Congress.

How will he explain to his teenaged children, or nieces and nephews, that such behavior is wrong?

The GOP has just kicked up a silly furor (a tempest in a teabag, one might say) over our nation's President giving a speech about personal responsibility to school children. God forbid that school children should take personal responsibility!

And now God Forbid that a Congressional leader should respect authority figures. The GOP has just declared itself -- this week -- as models of Bad Behavior for school children.

Family values, right. If you insist on behaving like a child, you cannot be a symbol of good parenthood.

Let's call them out on this nonsense, once and for all. No more excuses! The GOP needs to take personal responsibility, and Rep. Wilson made a shamefaced start by apologizing.

I won't believe any of them are serious unless they all start acting like serious adults and offering their reasoned behavior as examples for my children and grandchildren.

Posted by: cturtle1 | September 10, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

The President calls republicans liars and is hailed as "eloquent, well-constructed, logically compelling and full of facts and figures" Rep Wilson after being called a liar responds in kind (still not appropriate) and is called thuggish. A double standard, perhaps, yet oh so typical of WaPo.

Posted by: the_node | September 10, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

It was a curious moment when the "You lie" interjection came. Was it out of place? Perhaps. It is only custom that allows the president to speak without objection when addressing the congress. Consider the UK's Prime Minister's Question Period. Such telepromptered essays would never fly in such an environment.

As to the appropriateness of the interjection - whether it applies - one may also wonder. On the one hand, Obama says there will be no 'death panel' deciding that patients don't deserve treatment that might be expensive. On the other hand, he speaks of committees that will work to reduce 'waste'. However, an economist's 'waste' might be a medical professional's necessary treatment aiding either the patient or through treating the patient aiding research to better (and perhaps more cost-effective) treatment in the future.

But a clarification should be made and followed by both sides of this debate. We are not talking about the addition of a "public" option to health care in this country. We are talking about a "government" option.

We should employ Occham's Razor on this issue. First, tort reform. Second, opening State 'markets' to all vendors. Third, full tax deductibility for medical expenses for all Americans.

Give these a try and then see what else is needed.

Posted by: ODIrony | September 10, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Now, when I want to teach my children what bad behavior looks like, I can show them tape so thoughtfully provided by Rep. Wilson. And to illustrate what adult behavior looks like, I will show them President Obama, who never resorts to name-calling and personal invective, as their example of what I expect of my children. Polite thoughtfulness. Intelligence. Patience. Emotional control. Strong convictions. Compassion. Cooperation. Hard work. Good study habits. Reading. Keeping his head when others are losing theirs.

To those parents who refused to let their schools or their children watch Pres. Obama on Tuesday, but probably would allow them to see Wilson in action, I say, "How about trying personal responsibility?" Be responsible parents and adults.

Posted by: cturtle1 | September 10, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Eugene, no one listens to you. Stop wasting your breath, hack....

Posted by: subframer | September 10, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I would like to thank the re-thug-licans/conservative thinkers for showing their true colors! In just one week, they showed the world how ignorant they are.

The President wanted to speak to children about the importance of staying in school and doing your best. What did the conservative minded do? THEY KEPT THEIR KIDS OUT OF SCHOOL! LoL How patriotic was that?

The President wanted to clear up the myths (that republiCANTS cared not to mute) and what did one of their representatives do? Well...Gov. Wilson showed he could not rise above the ignorace that his party supporters were doing at town halls and heckled THE PRESIDENT!

Thank you re-punk-licants for showing everyone what many of us already knew which is that you all are the party of bigotry and immature ignorance.

Posted by: BigSmooov | September 10, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

What's being ignored in the posts against Joe Wilson is that he was right, Obama was lying. Where is the outrage over that?

The Democrats have done a nice job in avoiding any real debate on healthcare. According to the President and the Democrats in Congress if you don't support their reforms then you are against reform.

Obama should have said that he was scrapping all the current plans in Congress and going to keep his campaign promise,"I'm going to have all the negotiations around a big table. We'll have doctors and nurses and hospital administrators. Insurance companies, drug companies — they'll get a seat at the table, they just won't be able to buy every chair. But what we will do is, we'll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies."

Why is nobody calling out Obama on this big lie?

If he had followed this path we would be having a real debate on the needed reforms. Not arguing over some 1000 page government take over of the healthcare system that will create 53 new Federal Agencies.

Posted by: KCCool | September 10, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Republicans acted badly???? How about the President. Half-truths, red herrings, shaded statistics and on and on. Nothing really new, just same old same old for 47 minutes.

I would have yelled too when he stated that they were going to save billions of dollars with the clean up of Medicare/Medicaid abuse and infractions. This comment is so ridiculous I would have screamed too! If the federal government couldn't clean up and stop these abuses in the past 20 years, what makes them think they are going to do it in the next few years -- THEY WON'T! Those systems aren't even computerized at this time!

Details, details and details are what i was looking for and I didn't get them. One thing stood out is that he wants to get the government run plan in through the back door and that will make it possible in the future to convert everyting to government run insurance. So much for transparency!

Posted by: nancycrichton | September 10, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

The sheer hypocrisy of the Obama Marxist Party. What Eugene and his liberal cohorts puposely forgot is:

President George W. Bush was booed and heckled by Democrats at his 2005 State of the Union address.

Also, in a WashPost May 7, 2005 article, written by Mike Allen:

Reid Calls Bush a Loser

The Senate's top Democrat, Harry M. Reid of Nevada, called President Bush a "loser" yesterday just about the time Air Force One was touching down on foreign soil. Reid immediately called the White House to express regret.

I am an independent who contributed to the Obama Presidential Campaign. It is Obama attacks against the American public and his LIES about healthcare reform that has turned me against Obama and realize he is simply an ultra-left wing ideologue.

Posted by: 2tired | September 10, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

"There is a common thread running through conservative comments:
But fhe democrats did it first!
Man, they sound like whiny four-year-olds.
Posted by: tgoglia | September 10, 2009 1:35 AM "

Unfortunately, it runs that way on both sides, just depends on the issue du jour.

Personally, I am getting sick of it. I'm guessing that if we could convert the time wasted on all of this petty back and forth bickering into cash, we could easily pay for health care reform and then some.

Posted by: BEEPEE | September 10, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Ombudsman1, you are in error. The day you admit Obama did something right is the day "people will drop over from a heart attack" or whatever silly thing you wrote. I gave W the benefit of the doubt for 2 years. You food fighters didn't even give Obama a month. I wonder why.............

Posted by: tjconnor | September 10, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Since BO said nothing new the speech was obviously designed to accomplish one thing - to re-ignite that tingly leg syndrome of the kool aid drinkers in the MSM.

After seeing that CNN polled twice as many Dims as Reps to declare a BO 'victory', and after reading your little review, I conclude "Mission Accomplished". I also register no surprise at such lack of professionalism.

Tingle away, Eugene!

Posted by: Max17 | September 10, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

To Ombudsman1 and other witless wonders: When lies pass for a position, when lawmakers are acting like spoiled children while their elders are trying to conduct serious business, when boos and other forms of heckling emanate from Republican mouths during a speech by the President of the United States, your positions and comments cannot be taken seriously or respected. Not one Republican stood up to the Bush administration's idea of running this country's fiscal policy into the ground; suddenly, they view every attempt to solve a problem as another step towards fascism, socialism, and communism--all at the same time. Take a hike.

Posted by: therapidone | September 10, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

We sometimes forget it was the people from SC who fired on Fort Sumter in Charleston in April of 1861. They are an intemperate bunch.

In 1856, a congressman from SC, Preston Brooks, beat a Yankee senator with a cane on the floor of the senate. It took the victim three years to recover from the beating.

The victim was an anti-slavery senator, Charles Sumner, from Massachusetts, who became a Republican when Lincoln was elected.

Posted by: alance | September 10, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Why expect anything different from the Grand Old (White Peoples) Party?

Posted by: palmtree2001 | September 10, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I think, Eugene, that you underestimate the shamelessness of the "you lie" faction in this country. These are the same people who refuse to admit to Obama's citizenship, who though they could slur him by calling him a muslim during the campaign, and who joke about his death. Your colleague Cohen calls it racism, and he might be right. But it's more than that. There are truly disturbed people in this country and they are sending representatives to Congress. They won't know shame.

Posted by: JoeODonnell | September 10, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, Obama has been quite a gentleman with his attempts to formulate a bi-partisan healthcare bill.

The Republicans have shown that they are not only lying obstructionists, but that they have no class. All they had left to do last night was yell "Shut up, n&gg#r!" and walk out of the room.

My suggestion to Obama: remind those LOSERS who WON the last election and WHY. Remind them that the Dems have the majority in both houses of Congress and enough of a plurality to get it done without them. Make it clear to them that they can either get on board or get out of the way - that if they won't roll with us, we'll roll right over them, end of story.

Posted by: ceefer66 | September 10, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. Robertson,
Thank you for your thoughtful and correct assessment of both President Obama's eloquent speech last night and the decline in civility of SOME Republicans in Congress. Just as is evidenced in the comments section of this website, some people erroneously resort to childish immaturity instead of calm and intellectual discourse when their opinion isn't universally held.
The United States of America which we all love is deserving of the respect and manners its institutions evoke, and this includes (this should go without saying) the Office of the President. Moreover, our elected representatives owe the citizens of the USA the respect that the office to which we elected them requires of them. They are to be examples to us all of civilized conduct even when we differ.
And clearly, we need their example more than ever right now.

Posted by: j1carter | September 10, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I have heard in years past the Democrats hissed President Bush. I loathed Bush, Cheney and their awful Consitution-shredding policies, but if the Dems did that- they were also rude.

It seems our representatives are very immature- forgetting what I tell my daughter "two wrongs don't make a right" (or in this case the Right).

Vicki Kennedy said to Mrs Obama "That was amazing" at the end of the speech and was clearly very happy with the speech. I too, felt that Obama cleared up a lot of the questions people had about what he wanted to see and how to accomplish needed reform.

Having lived in England while their system was under terrible strain, all I can say is y'all have nothing to worry about. Any improvements to access, quality and cost controls will be most welcome.

But I must ask - what are the folks in SC drinking these days? Their Governor and Congressman make them look bad - isn't this part of the South where folks are supposed to be genteel? What the heck?

Posted by: u028021 | September 10, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

While the outburst from the Republican was un-called for, it is truly hypocritical of liberal posters to pretend that this kind of activity was not extremely predominant during Bush's speeches. Nobody can support this kind of behavior, but please don't insult my intelligence by suggesting that it is a Republican monopoly. The Democrats wrote the book on bad behavior.

Posted by: JCIll | September 10, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Come on now..... All this ranting over Mr Wilson's comments. He chose to apologize almost immediately. Those supporting Mr Obama and the DEMs are clearly trying to get mileage out of it. However, be careful of your hypocrisy. I did not hear you apologize when Mr Bush was booed by more than one DEM politician in 2005 State of the Union address. To their credit, many REPUBLICAN politicians immediately denounced Wilson's actions; also the leadership required him to apologize to the White House. In any event, I believe this issue is trivial.
What is more important are the details of the Health Care bill. The DEMs and the Administration have been duplicitous; first they try to ram a bill through without scrutiny and now Mr Obama makes a speech as if his intentions all along was to listen to both sides and come up with a solid bill.

Posted by: tlgi | September 10, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Barry describes his critics as liars but when Wilson calls Barry out he is the focus. Wilson is not the President. Barry is (for now) and he verifiably does lie. We have a President that lies, deceives and misleads. Yet the media focuses on Wilson for speaking the truth. The corrupt media will be shown as complicit if Barry should get his Radical way and bring down this Nation.

Posted by: FraudObama | September 10, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Neocon1 and drfixit seem to be the same demented, brainwashed, racist dittohead.

Posted by: theRealCalGal | September 10, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I am not sure if the root of so much anger and distrust of our President is that he is a black men and both the Speaker of the House and The Vice President are Catholics...but it was a very interesting image of not having an old white Anglo Saxon up in the podium, while grumbling old man below are playing with their blackberries.

Posted by: samayoa2 | September 10, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans behaved like spoiled children. The idiot Joe Wilson from South Carolina would face a recall if the people of his state have any decency. What total arses the Republicans have become. What happened to decency?

Posted by: ElectricBill | September 9, 2009 10:19 PM

Decency went out the window in 2005 when the DemocRATS were booing and hissing Bush during a State of the Union Address.

Posted by: ahartnack | September 10, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Mr Robinson, sir. Your 'analysis' is quite childish. If I understand your point, Mr Obama won the debate on rhetorical style. However, sir, what about the substance. What I would like to see you do is take the points in the bill and use commonsense and logic and trace the consequences. It is a shame that journalism these days is short on logic and long on agenda and emotionalism.

You say the speech was logically compelling but I did not see where you developed that more important point.

Posted by: tlgi | September 10, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

As for polling twice as many Democrats as ReThuglicans, they just polled across the board. Unfortunately for YOU, there ARE twice as many Democrats as ReThuglicans, and Thugs like Joe (not the good one) Wilson, Eric Can'ter, John Boner, and Charles Assley are just widening that gap bit by bit every day.

Keep up the good work!

Also, a shout-out to subframer, you says no one "listens to" (I guess he means reads) Robinson. Oh, so you don't read the columns, you just comment on them? That, too, seems to be a ReThuglican m.o. Don't know what you're talking about, just talk, talk, talk.

Posted by: theRealCalGal | September 10, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

First I did not vote for Obama in the primaries, I wanted Hillary Clinton. But after he got the nod I think he is doing a good job....And I am so glad that he showed what class and character is. You didn't see that on the republican side. In fact you never see that from republicans. When bush slipped into the presidency, goodness knows how, all you heard from republicans was WE WON GET OVER IT...(did he). But that was repeated over and over.

Obama has tired to be bi-partisan but we see republicans only want to trash and obstruct this administration from doing anything for the public, they only want benefits for big business. I have five words to say..

WE WON..........GET OVER IT.........

Posted by: msealock | September 10, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Robinson, Thank you for always being a modest, well spoken gentleman and our president and his wife have such class and intelligence. It breaks my heart to see him so denigrated by people who are frankly not fit to shine his shoes. Actually that may be what is at the heart of the problem. These people sense their own inferiority and are unable to cope with it and better themselves. They are blind to their own bigotry. I saw obvious jealousy and hate in the faces of those republican congress men and women just as those who held up nazi signs at the so-called town meetings. I have grown so ashamed of the ignorant behavior of the people in this country. We need more role models like Obama and Robinson.

Posted by: Novack | September 10, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

After his incredibly rude outburst Wednesday night in front of the entire country, Rep Joe Wilson is being treated by some conservative websites much like the sole convicted Lockerbie bomber (Ali al Megrahi) was treated by his Libyan countrymen and government when he was freed and returned to Tripoli - as a hero. The parallel is frightening.

Posted by: misterp | September 10, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are totally unfit to govern. Their party has been taken over by a mob of criminals and low-life jack-booted racists who hate the fact that a black man is President. A party that sinks this low will destroy this country if they are ever allowed to take power. The next Republican president will turn the government over to the corporations. The conservatives on the Supreme Court are preparing the way right now, in that they decided to re-argue a hundred year old law that prevents corporations from contributing directly to candidates. Once they declare that law unconstitutional and declare that corporations have all the rights of citizens, our little experiment with democracy will be over and the conservatives will turn this country into a right-wing religious dictatorship.

Posted by: Chagasman | September 10, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: danshanteal | September 10, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse


Your really not even worth wasting the time on man, but your commrade-in-chief called his opponents liars once directly and three times indirectly during his "eloquent, well-constructed, logically compelling and full of facts and figures" lie fest. Do you have a chill runnning up your leg man?

Posted by: tboom2219 | September 10, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Double-standards have been applied to President Obama's presidency from day 1. It's interesting that whites are allowed to be thuggish, boorish, and violent over health care reform (we're not even talking about war or an impending attack). I expect to see Bull Connor and his dogs and hoses at any moment.

It feels like something toxic and damaging is in the air. We have a golden opportunity--to move forward, to finally leap into the 21st century as a strong, educated populace with a strong, intelligent leader. But it won't happen. There is too much fear. We're dealing with entrenched racism, mostly from the right, from people who sit in church on Sunday, hold the doors for old ladies, and pay their taxes. People who appear to be normal, but their big, dirty secret is out. Their virulent racism can no longer be contained, and it's going to strangle this great nation.

Our country is as racist and hateful as ever. Our chance to finally and wholly participate on the global scale is about to be squandered by racists, the media that support them, and conservative political leaders. It feels like 1879, not 2009.

Posted by: Antoinette3 | September 10, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

ROFL! Why would tingly legs keep libtards from recognizing the multiple lies BO told last night? Willful ignorance or genuine stupidity?

You can call Wilson rude for acting like libtard politicians in the past, but you'd be lying like BO to say Wilson was wrong. I prefer a rude politician who's telling the truth (Wilson) over a slick politician who's lying to my face (BO) any day. Of course, I'm rational, not driven by a tingly leg.

Posted by: Max17 | September 10, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Robinson, you pathetic left-leaning geek. Just check out the boos during Bush's 2005 State of the Union Address, by Democrats. See today's Drudge Report for the link.

Posted by: reegospamoni | September 10, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Tingly legs apparently cause knee-jerk (pun intended) whimpers of racism. What's up with that?

Posted by: Max17 | September 10, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Edward kennedy "heavy artillery" ??the man is a god to those left of center, to everyone else , he is just another liberal. No one to the center or left of center thinks of Ed Ken as heavy artillery, just like no one else gets shivers up there leg like Chris Mathews when they hear Obama speak.

Posted by: snapplecat07 | September 10, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

"The American voters gave the Democratic Party a Triumverate of power in the form of control of Senate, Congress and Presidency."

This is very true. Based on your statement, why aren't the Dems just pushing the health bill through?

Why? Because if it flops, an dit's not a bi-partisan bill, the Dems might lose control of Congress next year, and the Presidency in 2012.

God forbid either side do something for the good of the country at the expense of a few seats.

Posted by: BEEPEE | September 10, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Last month there were '47 million uninsured Americans' according to BO. Last night there were '30 million uninsured Americans' again according to BO.

Let's keep debating the bills until November. By then, problem solved - there won't be ANY uninsured Americans and BO can turn his attention to other socialist policies.

Those are BO's numbers, not mine, so they MUST be correct if your legs are all tingly.

Posted by: Max17 | September 10, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Easy Gene . Sometimes the white devil half of Oambi does cause him to lie . Illegal aliens will be covered , first when providers are prohibited from making the inquries that should have been made at the border , and secondly when both parties grant amnesty to them . Cool off you know he was lying .

Posted by: borntoraisehogs | September 10, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Say, Eugene, just watched a video on Real Clear Politics (non-partisan) of the 2005 State of the Union Speech by President Bush - and you should have heard the booing by the "elite" Democrats!! Although two wrongs don't necessarily make a right, at least you should investigate before you mouth off.

Posted by: Linda7 | September 10, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

The speeach was so, so, nothing new.

While what the S.C. congressman did wasn't right, it was done to Bush too. The 2004 SOU had Democrats booing, and in the 2005 SOU there were hisses, boos and 'No's' shouted. Not alot different really.

Posted by: sorford | September 10, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

allamert1: "Ordinary citizens came out in force to the town hall meetings in opposition to Obamacare."

What came out in force to town hall meetings (if by in force you mean bussed in by health care corportations and inflamed by the GOP politicos they pay big bucks to) was a group of looneys who believe in death panels, and government mandated-abortions and sex-changes. Gee, when somebody believes something that crazy, despite all the real information easily available that disproves it, you have to know they vote GOP.

Ordinary citizens are concerned the looneys will prevent a bady needed change in America's badly defective health care situation.

Posted by: noGOP4me | September 10, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm. Let me think about this. Ordinary citizens came out in force to the town hall meetings in opposition to Obamacare. Yet Obama scorns those people, and goes on the road to present scripted, televised meetings. Now, he appears before a joint session of Congress to further sell what the people have rejected. When Obama doesn't care what the people want, isn't he behaving badly?

Posted by: allamer1 |

"Ordinary citizens"--like the people bussed in by Dick Armey and his legion of goons? "Ordinary people"--like the employees of UHC that were told to attend and protest by their employer with the implied threat of job loss? "Ordinary people"--like the birther fringe, and the loons who carried weapons to open meetings? Or perhaps, to be charitable, you mean the people who have been whipped up by bloviators like Rush and Beck and O'Reilly armed with memos and talking points to "be disruptive, be loud, do not allow the Congressman/woman to speak, shout and interrupt". Are those your "ordinary folk"?
There are actually policy points that thoughtful conservatives like Joe Scarborough and David Brooks have raised. Change DOES frighten many people because the devil you know can be less scary than the one potentially lurking. But all the arrows aimed by those who claim coverage for illegals, or death panels, or rationing, or a vet's death book bear no kinship to the truth. And that is the failure of Republicans.
The shame of the Democrats is too lose their spines, and try to accommodate the Republicans. They need to realize that no matter what they do, the Republicans will never vote for the bill. They will propose amendments that will pass and STILL vote against the bill. Obama made his case in terms even the Republicans cannot answer. They have fought against this since the 1940's to the detriment of all of us, for a system that desperately needs fixing. Time to just override the obstructionism and pass legislation that will provide the best for the most citizens.

Posted by: bklyndan22 | September 10, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Those Republicans + blue or not that
bluedogsenators who oppose with brute rage
healthcare reform should volunteer to open up
their financial books + show the 'beloved american people', how many millions they looted lobbying for dubious wars illegal toture and the DESPICABLE neglect of healthcare and mental care our sickest soldiers are being 'welcomed' by once they get home.

Posted by: tabita | September 10, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Libtards want to make sure government rationed health care covers Restless Leg Syndrome. There seems to be an epidemic among the poorly educated.

Posted by: Max17 | September 10, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I have read several comments stating that Obama should have made this speech three months ago. I strongly disagree. He has pulled off what Muhammed Ali dubbed rope-a-dope. By remaining relatively uninvolved and vague on specifics, he has lured the opposition into showing their hand and expending all their ammunition. The sound and fury of "death panels" and "government takeover" seem largely spent.

He provided a national forum and audience for the Republican opposition to demonstrate just how rude, mean-spirited, and boorish they are. He stroked his allies and even some of his opponents while jabbing the whack-jobs in the kidneys. All with a smile on his face. Well done Mr. President.

Posted by: JoeBewildered | September 10, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Let's see. BO is going to provide better quality health care to more people while reducing the overall cost. To believe that your leg has to be tingly and your brain has to be numb.

Quick Quiz for the Tingly of Leg:

1. Which specific sections of the bills exclude abortion as a covered procedure? (HINT: no sections)

2. Which specific sections of the bills address verification of citizenship before coverage applies? (HINT: no sections)

3. Name another national health care system that does not ration care based on the decisions of panels of 'experts'. (HINT: you can't)

The first libtard to answer all 3 correctly gets a free Leg Tingler from Ronco. And I know how you libtards love your freebies!

Posted by: Max17 | September 10, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

OH! I feel soooooo bad that someone interupted the President's speach. Oh, how will I live? But that is a good question so here's an answer. I'll live with the health care that I pay for by: milking cows at night and early morning so I could go to and stay in a decent highschool, going to college, working in the Corps for 22 years, obtaining an advance degree, and working my tail off doing everything and anything my boss asks of me so I can continue to live well and take care of my children as they begin another cycle of life with the same WASP spirit, even though we are not white, anglo, or protestant.

We do not want the obamanation of health care. Thank goodness that more than a few democrats agree with many Republicans on this point.

Posted by: MarriedMann | September 10, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama can 'say' anything he wants.
The fact is that HR3200 is worded so that it can be implemented anyway the Government bureaucrats want to implement it.
This whole 'reform'is a sham to give the Government more control and more tax money.

Posted by: HawkSprings | September 10, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse


His spontaneous outburst WAS PLANNED.

It just shows how low the fear mongering, cynical RUDE depths are to which the Republicans have sunk.

... ANYTHING GOES to protect their monied power base.

Posted by: CTDem | September 10, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

This racist idiot Eugene has selective memory.

There is a video of a Democrat chorus booing Bush in the exact same place.

A booing Democrat chorus is ok, but an isolated Republican shout is un-parliamenrary?

Go pound sand, Eugene.
Your partisan (sometimes racist)rants are not rubbing on anyone except die-hard socialists and communists.

Posted by: vatodio | September 10, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Hello Joe - I am no fan of Republicans. But if childishness reigns in D.C. the Dems are not guiltless - in 2005 George Bush was booed! Check it out.

Posted by: nnobigthin | September 10, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

We badly need someone to step in and save our party from this new McCarthyism. I'll continue to be a Republican but will go into hiding until this new wave of Chicken Little Republicans is finally contained.

Posted by: Bluefish2012 | September 10, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

That speech wasn't anything like you just described it, Mr. Robinson. It was full of distortions lies, overblown promises, and it was highly partisan.He failed miserable to convince ant common sense America, that his overthrow of our health care system is what the nation Is Obama A Snake Oil Salesman at.....

Posted by: ronsuev | September 10, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Saying repubs behave badly is like saying snakes bite or skunks stink.

Posted by: rcubedkc | September 10, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Yes it was wrong for Wilson to yell that out, but the question you need to ask is; was Obama lying?

Out of the so called 46 million uninsured 9 million are illegal aliens. So, is he going to cover all 46 million or not?

Also, don't act like democrats are the kings of cooth. Bill Clinton put a cigar into his intern's vagina.

Posted by: tom56 | September 10, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

If you lie, we're going to call you out on it. Dems cheer!!!

If we lie, you're being a big old meanie! Dems whine!!!

When Dems disrupt President Bush... not a whisoer of complaint.

Hypocrites.... dog bites man.

All-in-all, it was a great speech. too bad the bills in Congress do not represent the content of the speech.

We need healthcare reform, not this childish special interest laden mistake that our childish Democratic controlled Congress thinks is "reform". Why is it that when Democrats talk about reform and cost-cutting it always winds up costing more money?

Posted by: Matt_in_Chicago | September 10, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Oh boo hoo! Gene, do we have to go back to the countless incidents of rudeness aimed at GWB? I don't recall your call for decorum then. So, now that your wunderkind is the target, please save the outrage and the resultant display of hyprocrisy for another time.

Posted by: sladenyv1 | September 10, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

BO Administration Behaving Badly

Looks like BO lost another anti-American associate thanks to the investigative reporting of Glenn Beck.

First, Arsehole Van Jones.
Second, Yosi Sergant.

Coming soon to an unemployment line near you: Cass Sunstein, Mark Lloyd, and Carol Browner.

When I read this, my, I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often.


Posted by: Max17 | September 10, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

My problem isn't with some insurance-funded rep shouting that Obama is a liar.

My problem is with the Dems being so afraid of everything that they don't have the decency to demand that illegal immigrants be covered.

We are a country of immigrants yet we have a wonderful history of hating all immigrants. Give me a break.

Can someone please tell me how it does our society any good not to help illegal immigrants. They will continue coming here because the country's they're running from are brutally impoverished.

Mexico is falling apart, crumbling from the inside. Why would anyone stay there?

Denying illegal immigrants health care or educations or basic social services does nothing to stop immigration. It does, however, cause social problems: crime, poverty, homelessness and the list goes on.

Immigrants will continue rushing to the US. Leaving them out in the cold is not the answer.

Posted by: edzo2 | September 10, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Many of us were sitting at home and also saying "that is a lie". Wilson was wrong to interrupt the speech. What kind of convoluted, wishful thinking is it to say that we will cover 30 million new people and taxes will not go up and it will not add to the deficit? This is a blatant lie. Also people's coverage sure as heck will change once there is any public option as they will be dropped from their current insurance because it will be cheaper for their employer to pay the fine. There will be rationing with more people in the system,and and there are not enough primary doctor now. I am surprised his pants did not catch on fire.

Posted by: katie6 | September 10, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone remember the jeers and disrespect hurled at President Bush last Jan. at the inaugural? Does anyone remember Feb. 2005 when President Bush was addressing Congress on the need to reform Social Security and the democrats loudly booing him? Is it o.k. for Nancy Pelosi to dismiss people as "astro-turf" or "un-american" because they disagree with her? Shall I bring up the labels and derision thrown at Sarah Palin? Sweep your own front porch first.

Posted by: inmanorj | September 10, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

It's not appropriate for Rep. Joe Wilson to yell "You lie!" when the president speaks. And it's not appropriate to bash all Republicans because you disagree with a few either. Last time I look at polls, least-squares-fitted by, Republicans are leading in generic congressional rating and the president's approval rating is on a down hill ski slope!

Posted by: FloridaCounts | September 10, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I am so impressed with the Republicans. They say there is "no health care crisis". They have there health coverage firmly in place. So, who cares about the 46 million plus Americans who don't have insurance, and some are dying prematurely because of it. These people, also, do not have a "health care crisis"! I find most conservatives feel that as long as they are doing well by their own merit and luck, then everyone else should be able to as well. Keep up the good work, Republicans.

Posted by: play25 | September 10, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

It's simple evolution of our culture. Seniors have lived from the days of quality movies, harmless TV shows like Jackie Gleason, Ed Sullivan, Gunsmoke to ever more cruel shows like "What Not to Wear", Glen Beck; movies that are smothered with "F_ck" every other word, graphic torn body parts, degenerate behavior as the chief attractant.
So .... what do you expect in politics ...
like the entertainment industry . . . ever more sordid and appealing to the lower elements of society, the drug addict/KKK level Bible thumpers/ etc. ad nauseum.
An' thas a fac!

Posted by: lufrank1 | September 10, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

When did the President, any President, become a King above the contempt and indignation of an unhappy body politic allowed to stand on the pulpit and lecture without debate? Standing up and yelling for your truth is an American right no matter the setting or point of view. And there is no better place for that to be exhibited than in the halls of our republic's congress.

Posted by: kmag1 | September 10, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

This Joe Wilson is like many millions of other Southern white men that feel emasculated that an African-American is president of the USA and don't ever intend to give the president the respect he is owed and truly deserves. They will not be happy until they they tear this country down and create a chasm between whites and blacks, poor and wealthy (though they will bring the ignorant white trash with them). With jackasses like Congressman Wilson, never before have I been so ashamed to be a white man of the South.

Posted by: WishboneNolan | September 10, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

They learned it from the Dems. Dems never like it when Repubs start emulating them.

Posted by: royalsan1 | September 10, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

where was Joe Wilson when "you know who" lied to the country about weapons of mass destruction??

Posted by: hhbeing | September 10, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are going to get spanked in 2010 if they don't clean up their act.

I would recommend that first, they start acting like adults, and second, that they try to practice the "family values" that they preach.

These Republicans having sex with lobbyists, and immoral affairs need to get their comuppance.

Posted by: santafe2 | September 10, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

so was i watching the same speech? because only half of the representatives present were appaulding obama, and some of them were democrats. he was lying, when he said that his opponents havent given rise to a plan, when 30 of them were holding it up, you must have watched cnn because on fox news, they were showing the representatives holding up a different plan. i dispise people that won't watch or get information from two different sources, even when it contains the same information, ie. watching a speech on one channel and on another at the same time... yeah huge difference. the reason there is democratic majority? because democratic media content. people realize that republicans will bite back, HARDER!

Posted by: paulakn88 | September 10, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

live by the sword,die by the sword

Posted by: witbooi | September 10, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

The GOP is jumping around and acting like a bunch of ignorant monkeys.

They have absolutely no class, and shouldn't be allowed in such events.

They act like they've been snorting too much toxic nuclear runoff from the dumps behind their homes.

Posted by: lindalovejones | September 10, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Get a clue... did you forget everything before Obama stepped into the White House? I think the lack of class has been well documented on both sides of the aisle. Your feigned outrage is amusing... as is your keen intellect. How about a little perspective in your thinking. Was it in poor taste? Yep. Should he not have done it? Yep. Settled... adjust your britches like a grownup and get on with your day.

Posted by: vtcarpediem | September 10, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

lindalovejones: those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones... your response is just plain ridiculous. Everyone needs to simmer down. What short memories we seem to have today.

Posted by: vtcarpediem | September 10, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

>>where was Joe Wilson when "you know who" lied to the country about weapons of mass destruction??<<

Bubba Clinton? You're making this much too easy:

"Other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. With Saddam, there is one big difference: He has used them, not once, but repeatedly. Unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-long war. Not only against soldiers, but against civilians, firing Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. And not only against a foreign enemy, but even against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq. The international community had little doubt then, and I have no doubt today, that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again." -President Bill Clinton - Remarks at the White House , December 16, 1998

Posted by: Max17 | September 10, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Apparently Robinson the spinmeister has forgotten the hateful excoriation of George W. Bush by the House and Senate leadership, repeatedly and viciously.

And, apparently he has also forgotten the virulent hatred directed toward Bill Clinton during most of his two terms.

If Robinson had any knowledge of history, he would understand and report on facts, which are these:

1. Hate speech has been spoken and published in this country since the beginning of the republic--commencing with the most hateful, spiteful lies directed at the Father of our Country, George Washington.

2. The purpose of the press has been to challenge all politicians statements and claims, their behavior and their votes, and to keep them accountable. Historically, the press divided itself into two sides of the political spectrum and vile vituperation by one party and its members against the other was fully enabled by the press. Today, not so much as the so-called mainstream media is essentially the communications arm of the democratic party.

So, get off the high horse and accept that these politicians, including Robinson's revered Obama, deserve the heaping loads of scorn they receive--they have, after all, pretty much been responsible for the wrecking of the country and its finances.

Posted by: jshaver001 | September 10, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

This is definitely a government take over of what's left of private health insurance. If a company or municipality has to pay more than 8% on health insurance for employees they can just have the government pay for it. Additionally, when someone in government says we'll pay for a program by cutting out fraud, waste, and abuse in other programs, you know that will never happen.

Eugene, this is another government proposal that can't be paid for. Look at Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. They're all broke. When all you can do is bash Republicans in attempt to defer attention from this lousy proposal, it just shows how bad this plan really is.

Posted by: davidkarl | September 10, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

The Post should examine the state by state statistics on percentage of residents without health insurance.

It is ironic that in Texas, which is represented by many of the shameful knuckeheads who were disrespectfully holding signs during The President's speech last night, 25 percent of the residents are uninsured!

Who in the world are those
Republican Congressmen representing?

At the same time, the Post should take a look at those Republican Congressmen and find out how much money each of them have received from the health insurance industry and put those figures under their pictures for their constitutents to see.

Posted by: allan3 | September 10, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson needs to be removed from office. He not only insulted the President but he insulted me. I did not turn on the tv to view the same kind of ignorant grandstanding that the GOP has thrown at us all summer long. We are a country at war and facing many more months of economic hardship but Joe Wilson thought it would be more fun to play FRAT BOY in front of the American viewing public. He needs to hit the trail. The APPALACHIAN TRAIL. How do we get him removed from office? This can't die down with the next news cycle. It was a horrible, shameful act.

Posted by: PamelaM1 | September 10, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

>>(14) National health care will not cover abortions or illegal immigrants.

This appeared in an earlier installment of "Liberal Lies About Health Care," but I keep seeing Democrats like Howard Dean and Rep. Jan Schakowsky on TV angrily shouting that these are despicable lies -- which, in itself, constitutes proof that it's all true.

Then why did Democrats vote down amendments that would prohibit coverage for illegals and abortion? (Also, why is Planned Parenthood collecting petition signatures in Manhattan -- where they think they have no reason to be sneaky -- in support of national health care?)

On July 30 of this year, a House committee voted against a Republican amendment offered by Rep. Nathan Deal that would have required health care providers to use the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) Program to prevent illegal aliens from receiving government health care services. All Republicans and five Democrats voted for it, but 29 Democrats voted against it, killing the amendment.

On the same day, the committee voted 30-29 against an amendment offered by Republican Joe Pitts explicitly stating that government health care would not cover abortions. Zealous abortion supporter Henry Waxman -- a walking, breathing argument for abortion if ever there was one -- originally voted in favor of the Pitts amendment because that allowed him, in a sleazy parliamentary trick, to bring the amendment up for reconsideration later. Which he did -- as soon as he had enough Democrats in the hearing room to safely reject it.

If any liberal sincerely believes that national health care will not cover illegals and abortion, how do they explain the Democrats frantically opposing amendments that would make this explicit?


Posted by: Max17 | September 10, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

It's normal for the Repubtards to behave badly... nothing new.

Posted by: TalkingHead1 | September 10, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Right response, wrong forum to express it.

Illegals will be covered.

Posted by: sbdot | September 10, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Calling a liar a liar is a worthy action. Thank you, Mr. Wilson.

Posted by: Max17 | September 10, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Robinson is correct in every aspect. The President did his usual masterful job.

When being interviewed outside the White House, David Axelrod was asked by a popular interviewer about Obama's speech writers. Mr. Axelrod was quick to give the President credit for being the lead speechwriter, to which the interviewer was eqaully quick to refer to the President as a masterful speech-giver while again making reference to the his great speechwriters. Even the powerful within the news media are often slow to hear the truths that come their way. Mr. Axelrod, being the gentleman that his is, did not correct the interviewer.

The interviewer reminds me of all the people who complain about what the President has said or has not said. Most who complain have not really listened to the President. Their "filters" are way too thick.

Posted by: EarlC | September 10, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

As the GOP pantry of ideas is bare, their 'philosophies' bankrupt, they increasingly turn to the verbal violence of their mentor and 'dear leader', Rushbo. And verbal violence is always a prelude to physical violence. Count on it.

Posted by: ctenwith | September 10, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson has a power ranking of 390 out of 435. That is indicative of what his colleagues think of him. He is practically irrelevant in the health care debate. Ignore him and blame his outburst on poor upbringing.

Posted by: chaskarr | September 10, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Robinson that the loathsome Republicans, lords of the low (no/know) road, did Obama a favor. They are pathetic and everybody knows it, perhaps even themselves. But on the substance front, I agree with a couple of voices on the NYT's Rooom for Debate blog, Robert Reich and some other guy, who both point out that there was little on just how you'd drive down costs under this watered-down scenario. So in the end, the Repubnuts should be happy that the corporate interests in charge of the status quo will get to keep a lot of status and a lot of quo. Who, after all, can forget that while the rednecks carry the public water for the GOP, it's the boardrooms where the big money lies? That's today's GOP: conservative interests with a face right out of Dukes of Hazzard. Boss Hawg and his boys. Go git em! Git er done! What a pathetic party.

Posted by: Plutonium57 | September 10, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

The next piece of legislation that needs to be passed after health care reform is The Final Solution to the Republican Question.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | September 10, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

You Huckabees name one, just one Democrat who jumped up in the House Chamber and shouted "You lie!" at Ronald Reagan, George the Dumber or his Father before him.

Until you can, shut up and be embarrassed Joe Wilson is the new face of your ever dwindling moron herd of Rovian propagandists.

Posted by: coloradodog | September 10, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Calling a liar a liar is a worthy action. Thank you, Mr. Wilson.

Posted by: Max17 | September 10, 2009 4:02 PM
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There is a time and a place for every action. Max17 obviously has not learned this either. However, Mr. Wilson is the liar. If, in fact, there is a draw, one defers to the President.

I am forced to remind Max17 that Pres. Bush lied us into a war in Iraq. The politics of deception and character assassination are primarily Republican techniques of late. Thanks to Rep. Wilson that he proves the point that the Republican opposition is an opposition not based on principle. The Republicans lost the last election - big time. Had Obama not been a "black" man (he is really biracial), the Democrats would have won by numbers rarely seen in the history of our nation. For all of the white bigots out there, you can thank Bush that Obama is our President now. Change can happen, especially when someone really screws up big time. Please produce a chart of the big-time screw-ups who are presidents and CEOs of the failed banks and corporations. How many of these are white men? Yet, we keep promoting these guys to bigger paychecks and why? Think about this. As a white guy with a deep-seated work ethic and many degrees, I can attest directly to the fact that the good-old boys have controlled too much, too long. Too many people with principles are screened out of top jobs because they "do not go along."

I thank God each day for the fact that America woke up and voted for a man of principles and intelligence. For those who refuse to work with our President when he requests everyone to be a part of the solution is failing America. Rep. Wilson hopefully will fail in his re-election bid. Isn't it ironic that Rep. Joe Wilson has the same name as another Joe Wilson of media note?

In reality, Rep. Wilson did not offer an apology. He was forced by a few in his own party to give an "apology" to help the party save face. His apology was the typical one of which we have heard too many that sound like "I am sorry if I have offended anyone, but most of you know what I meant."

Posted by: EarlC | September 10, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Many posters have remarked that South Carolinians should feel shame that our state sent Joe Wilson to Congress. Yes, we do feel shame. Worst of all for me was Wilson's self-defense, saying that most calls to him and his wife have been supportive of his behavior. Well, Mr. Wilson, you should have the sense to know that support from a handful of rabid partisans who congratulate you for violating the norms of decent behavior are not justification for your lack of sound judgment and responsible behavior.

Posted by: Teague_L | September 10, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

wilson really screwed the republicans in the house. there will come a time when cantor ,boner or blunt will need emmmanuels help and they wont get it because of this guy .and he can forget any help from most of the republicans also nancy will see to this i would say his carer may be over oh he could get reelected but he will have to sit in corner for the duration of his term.

Posted by: donaldtucker | September 10, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

give 'em hell Eugene

Posted by: Badwisky | September 10, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

To doctorfixit and those like him:

I am so fearful and disappointed in the behavior I have seen and heard from many on the racist, I mean Republican side. Where you all so outraged when we went to Iraq and spent BILLIONS of dollars to get Bin Laden in Afghanistan? Were you outraged that 6 years later we are still fighting a war looking for weapons of mass destruction. Yet, you lose your mind and attack the President when he is trying to help US Citizen, yes, you, your neighbor, your children, your grandma. If you think you aren't already paying for illegal aliens and others health care, look at your premiums. Try going to the hospital and look at what they are charging you and your insurance company. You don't have to like, agree or even vote for Obama. But he IS the elected official. So hold your noses and show the man some respect. We held our noses for eight years with Bush! The Congressman from SC who spoke so rudely should be embarrassed. He showed exactly why it is sometimes necessary for others to talk to our children and educate them on respect and taking responsibility. He's a loser!

Posted by: ldey | September 10, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Look, the real problem with this and any other issue that the President wants to get action on. His opponents (specifically republicans) don't want the President to accomplish anything. They just want to defeat any ideas that they don't have, for the simple reason, they lost the election and now its sour grape. So, Ombudsman 1 and the rest of you moron, we know what you really are. Sore losers with nothing to offer but some rants and raves, and lets not forget, LIES!!!!!!!! Unless you have something to offer other than BS, shut up and go away.

Posted by: raca1234 | September 10, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

More Republican family values:

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | September 10, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

So the GOP is behaving badly ?

What has opposition to Obamacare done ?

The RANKS of the uninsured have plunged by 17 million !!!

Last night Obama said only 30 million are uninsured. He used to say 47 million uninsured.

"There are now more than thirty million American citizens who cannot get coverage," the President said in his latest health care speech.

Posted by: pvilso24 | September 10, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Keep trying Eugene Robinson and you will be drafted by the White House, then what little honesty you have will be jettsoned when you join the spin doctors, hopefully at a lower salary.

Posted by: ZebZ | September 10, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Dems Boo Bush at 2005 state of the union.
You bet.
Duke Cunningham resigns for taking bribes. Charles Rangel still serving and has numerous ethics investigations pending against him.
You bet.
How soon Americans forget.
Just like how quickly they forgot 9/11 when the cost in military deaths became....inconvenient.
Tho for a Democrat those deaths were quite convenient.
As Rahm Emmanuel said, "You never want to let an opportunity go to waste" and the Democrats sure made use of the opportunity of a couple thousand GIs deaths as a platform against the Republicans. Real classy move.
Democrats need to fix their own party before they point fingers amidst accusations of impropriety.

Posted by: Historyshowsus | September 10, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

You have to admit, Gov. Palin and Joe Wilson have stolen obama's thunder.

Posted by: yokosuka1985 | September 10, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Eugene!!! Your memory must be awfully short........ people who use the term "mission accomplished" are likely to find their weinies in the

Posted by: NoVAinExile | September 10, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps if Obama DID tell the truth about the stimulus plan, cap and tax, and his other agenda items people would think Obama is not a liar - fact is all the congressman did was say out loud what most everyone in the room and watching on TV thought. It was rude, but it was also correct.

Posted by: Realist20 | September 10, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

This is just so rich. When scores of Dims/Libs booed Bush during his 2nd term State of the Union speach, I don't recall Geno calling out his Dim buddies. But when the shoe is on the other foot, and someone disses his Almighty Obama, Gene and the Dims want Wilson sent to Gitmo. Just priceless never mind the hypocripsy. Obama speech full of "facts". Every time he speaks the millions of uninsured fluctuates wildly, that insuring "millions" of now uninsured "will not" raise the deficit, etc. Plus Geno, you Dims have the votes supposedly why the hell do you keep waiting, just vote without them. The Big O loses all credibility with me when he claims a major portion of "His Plan" will be paid by cutting out the waste and fraud associated with Medicare. Is this not an abject admission that Big Gov't cannot control costs? And if Medicare does indeed suffer from gross fraud, why the hell isn't that being addressed NOW!!! Not exactly a ringing endorsement of giving the US Govt yet another unmanageable entity when they already have a bankrupt Social Security Debacle, Medicare, Medicad, Fanny, Freddy and not to be denied the US Postal Service! Earth to Big O, Geno and the rest of you Dim witted Libs, common sense tell you this boat ain't gonna float now matter how eloquent the speech.

Posted by: bobcatbuzz | September 10, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Please! Has anyone seen how the House of Commons talks to Prime Minister in England and he has to go talk to them almost weekly. Someone booing the President while not the classiest move shouldn't be nocked for voicing an opposing opinion.

Newsflash not everyone agrees with the President on this bill.

Posted by: IheartUSA1 | September 10, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson gets paid by contribtions from big insurance, and Healthcare corporations
they are the top donatons he gets, so guess it was and accident or he was paid? 2009-2010 cycle
Health Professionals $19,000 $3,500 $15,500
Leadership PACs $11,000 $0 $11,000
Lobbyists $9,701 $9,701 $0
Business Services $9,300 $7,300 $2,000
Hospitals/Nursing Homes $9,000 $2,000 $7,000

Posted by: jpenergy | September 10, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I guess Gene doesn't remember how Democrats used to boo and heckle President Bush during his state of the union speeches. Gene does seem to have and advanced form of amnesia where it comes to any affront to the Mesiah.

Posted by: RobT1 | September 10, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

pvilso24 - please see my post at 10:44am, in which I relayed that the number that Obama actually referred to was, "more than 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage" in his speech.

For you both to quibble about the number of uninsured and how many of those are illegal etc. is really awful.

Check this, "The number of Americans without health insurance reached 46.3 million in 2008, up from 45.7 million a year earlier, according to figures released Thursday by the U.S. Census Bureau."

Note that they said, "AMERICANS".

Nevertheless, even if the number was ONLY 35 Million - that's a lot of people!! Are you okay with that?! Will you not be happy until there are bodies in the streets? Yikes!

Posted by: liberalsmakegreatlovers | September 10, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse






Posted by: veritas7 | September 10, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans behaved like immature frat boys. They smirked, talked, texted (Eric Cantor), waved their 'fake' health care plans, and shouted (Joe Wilson).

Do they realize how their boorish behavior looked to the rest of the nation?

They probably lost thousands of Independent votes last night.

Posted by: ethereal_reality | September 10, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama could not hire a more able PR person than Eugene.
By the way, Eugene, as I cling to my gun and Bible, I'm still waiting for the breathalyzer the Fuhrer promised me since I'm an asthmatic.

Posted by: EliPeyton | September 10, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

What's up with those South Carolinian politicians? Are they channeling their secessionist forbears and coming up crazy as a result?

SC should change its nickname from the Palmetto State the Pal-nutto state.

Posted by: susan47 | September 10, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Though I consider these actions quite rude, they are not the lowest things have been in those chambers. Prior to the Civil War, and during reconstruction, much more vile things were yelled.

As to whether the congressman's constituants are displeased with his behavior, knowing what kinds of rednecks reside in S.C. (I am caucasian who grew up in the south and happily LEFT the south), I imagine many of them are rather pleased and supportive of him. How terribly sad!

Posted by: tharriso | September 10, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm. Let me think about this. Ordinary citizens came out in force to the town hall meetings in opposition to Obamacare. Yet Obama scorns those people, and goes on the road to present scripted, televised meetings. Now, he appears before a joint session of Congress to further sell what the people have rejected. When Obama doesn't care what the people want, isn't he behaving badly?

Posted by: allamer1

You need to correct your post by saying "the people who do not agree with the healthcare plan devised by the democrats or Obama's view of what healthcare reform should be". You overstate when you simply say "the people". I know many, many people who attended town hall meetings who are ready for healthcare reform and agree with Obama. There are differing views in this country, make no mistake by foolishly thinking that all people believe one view.

Posted by: Bldswan | September 10, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

edzo2 said,"My problem isn't with some insurance-funded rep shouting that Obama is a liar.

My problem is with the Dems being so afraid of everything that they don't have the decency to demand that illegal immigrants be covered.

We are a country of immigrants yet we have a wonderful history of hating all immigrants. Give me a break.

Can someone please tell me how it does our society any good not to help illegal immigrants. They will continue coming here because the country's they're running from are brutally impoverished.

Mexico is falling apart, crumbling from the inside. Why would anyone stay there?

Denying illegal immigrants health care or educations or basic social services does nothing to stop immigration. It does, however, cause social problems: crime, poverty, homelessness and the list goes on.

Immigrants will continue rushing to the US. Leaving them out in the cold is not the answer. "

We don't hate immigrants. We just don't want illegal immigrants. You mix the two which is intellectually dishonest and a slap in the face to the legal immigrants. Go talk to some people that have immigrated here legally from Mexico. You won't find many people that are more against illegals and they hate when people lump them together for any reason.

My feeling is that if you don't have enough respect for my country to enter it legally then you don't belong here. It's the same thing as me breaking into your home in the middle of the night to rob you and expecting you to make me something to eat before I leave with your stuff. Illegal immigrants already put an estimated $400 billion dollar a year drain on our economy.

I think we should provide treatment if the problem is life threatening, detain them, ship them back to their country of citizenship, and send that country a bill for their healthcare, transportation back, incarceration, and any benefits such as education they received while illegally in our country.

If you wish to personally give all your money to pay for healthcare or education or anything else for illegal aliens you are free to do so. You cannot however use the force of government to take my money out of my pocket to pay for it, anymore than you can put a gun to my head in an alley and take my money to pay for it. In either case the only difference is who is holding the gun.

My wallet shouldn't bleed because your heart does.

Posted by: KCCool | September 10, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Democrats were pretty rough on George W. Bush during a joint sessions a few years back.

Two examples:

In 2004, Democrats delivered a “Chorus Of Boos” during Bush's Bush’s State Of The Union when he called for renewal of the Patriot Act., according to the Washington Times.

In 2005, Dems howled, hissed and shouted "No!" when Bush pushed for Social Security reform in the SOU: "Foreshadowing the contentiousness of the coming debate, Democrats broke decorum and booed twice," according to the National Journal.

At the time, CNN's Bill Schneider remarked, “It was unusual. I had never heard it at least at that level before. The Democrats clearly were booing, heckling, saying no when the president talked about the crisis in Social Security."

Moreover, Obama's claim that illegal immigrants won't be covered -- which sparked Wilson's outburst -- while technically accurate, doesn't quite tell the entire story. Some of the bills being considered in the House and Senate contain provisions locking in local statutes that prevent providers from inquiring about immigration status prior to treatment. And illegals are treated, and are bound to be treated, in ERs, covered by local, state and federal uninsured pools.

So why the outcry over Wilson?

Posted by: mharwick | September 10, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Eugene, the day you find something wrong with Obama will be a day that people will drop over from a heart attack.

The reason health care won't pass is because what's being proposed doesn't suit most of the people in this country, and it certainly doesn't suit the people who have to pay the bills in this country.

Posted by: Ombudsman1

Give him a break Ombudsman1. Bush was so God-awful it's hard sometimes to realize how just plain normal Obama is.

The reason health care won't pass is it doesn't suit the loudest people in this country. Those would be the ones who believe they have theirs...and screw everyone else.

Posted by: arancia12 | September 10, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Shame on GOP. They are such a low life. The fearmonger and rumormonger Republican politicians and their sheep are pulling down our entire country to a new low. I thought G.W.Bush and Cheney marked the low point. These ignorant conservatives have no floor underneath them. Shame on them.

Posted by: Charlie180 | September 10, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Of course Congressman Wilson was wrong to disagree with the President. Obama's idea was to entrance people into believing unsupported assertions and outright lies, and Mr. Wilson broke the spell.

Posted by: sperrico | September 10, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama could not hire a more able PR person than Eugene.
By the way, Eugene, as I cling to my gun and Bible, I'm still waiting for the breathalyzer the Fuhrer promised me since I'm an asthmatic.

Posted by: EliPeyton

Eli, what has a breathalyzer to do with being asthmatic and why would President Obama promise you one? If you want whatever it is you meant to refer to, support health care reform.

And drop the Nazi references. It have become so predictable and are losing any effect. Be creative. Come up with something new.

Posted by: arancia12 | September 10, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Republicans behaving badly: "you lie" seen and heard from Europe.

As Europeans have been following up the current US debate on health care, many have come to realize the sheer fact that the GOP leadership has already failed to grasp the international stake of this debate, namely the standing of the USA among old democraties. Moreover, yesterday while wathing President Obama's address (as many citizens around the globe more and more do)some of them also came to understand that there is morally nothing to hope from such a leadership. Indeed how someone who belongs to the US political leadership can dare to express his opposition in this way and under such circumtances?
Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.), as a young French student living in Heidelberg aptly painted him,"il est mal élevé et vulgaire!".
We are living in a global village, and the GOP leadership seems to be still muddling through a "hinterweltlerish" one!

Posted by: Eranoswatch | September 10, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me like the America hating Limbaugh Sycophants of the GOP are suffering from a bad case of the "Sore loosers!"

The GOP was trounced in the elections hence all the America hating that the Limbaugh sycophants are up to.

Posted by: walker1 | September 10, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Gene, I am at a loss for words to describe my thoughts and feelings about this current health care mess. My country, having been hijacked by a bunch of morons for eight years is still tied up in knots by the very same people. I smell a "turdblossom" behind this whole scheme by the Republicans to do Obama in.
I understand if they want to have a go at him for the war and military spending but something so basic as health care, I just don't understand. The people screaming Socialism would scream a lot louder if the gov took away their Medicare! I truly believe that a lot of this is generated by a very few people in Media such as Fox News, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Lou Dobbs, Cunningham, Michael Savage and other who spew all of these lies. There are hardly any Democratic stations on the radio at night and many people just listen to that hate stuff and believe it. People are brainwashed! I have a Fox News loving friend whom I asked what she would do if there were no Medicare.
I told her that Medicare was a federally funded heath care system and by Fox News' definition should be called socialist as well. I also asked her what she would do if her son or daughter lost their job and needed chemotherapy or surgery but had no health care. People need to stop and think what others are going through. Many hard-working, honest people have gone bankrupt and even lost their homes because of health care costs due to uncovered illnesses. Health care is not a privilege for the rich and well-insured, it is a right.

Posted by: Dipsy1 | September 10, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

So when the Dems booed GWBII ot was ok? Or is this all that silly Dem vs Repub thing which in turn totally screws over the American people.

If you want a bill, put it before the American people - let us vote on it. If not, then sit back in the cheap seats with the rest of the cowards who are our suppose elected officials.

Posted by: zendrell | September 10, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

One person rudely interrupting the president addressing congress is way worse than a whole party doing it.

In 2005, during the State of the Union Speech - Democrats chanted NO (what exactly do you think they meant by NO? Certainly not that Bush is a liar) while Bush was speaking. That was no problem, but one rude jacka**, now that's over the top.

The time for acting infantile is during the opposition response. not while sitting in joint session. Let the President call you a liar, just take it. Let the President, either, proclaim that his interpretation of the language is true, or let him spew misinformation. You better just sit there.

The liberal hypocrisy comes by accepting the Democrats doing it, but rejecting Republicans.

It is wrong every time!

Posted by: thelaw1 | September 10, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

The hapless Republican party could stay home and the Democrats couldn't get this bill passed the way it is written. The writing is on the wall for the public option, it is dead regardless of the shouting that went on last night.

Posted by: thebigdog1 | September 10, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse


You are Way off track, Bud. I paid into Medicare since it's inception. I have EARNED it. It is now due me.

I did not wish to pay into it... but it was forced on me by a Democratic President.
That is NOT Socialism - that is a small sample of Nationalized Health care forced on people.

I just buried my Mother who was on Medicare for 11 years... I have no illusion that it is some grand & glorious package - the Doc nailed me everytime I went to visit the Nursing Home about "no special measures, no resuscitation efforts..."

So, get to work, Bud - Pay my Medicare because I am DUE it. And then worry about how to pay your own if Obamacare passes, cause you will be BROKE and your nation will be BROKE.

Posted by: wilsan | September 10, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I tried to find Eugene's column in which he scolded Democrats for booing President Bush at his 2005 State of the Union Address. I wonder why I can't find it.

Posted by: jonnxx | September 10, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

As the fringe Republican Party sinks lower into Loserville, they reach out to the primary support base: rabid, racist right-wingers who represent two or three huge steps backwards in human evolution. Joe Wilson and similar liars of the GOP are closer to performance wrestlers than to anything resembling worthwhile political discourse. It became obvious to even more people: it is necessary to pass reform with public option now, and not be fooled by industry propagandists and shouting buffoons. Rev. Bookburn - Radio Volta

Posted by: revbookburn | September 10, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Eugene Robinson is the worst columnist at the Post. This is just par for the course.

Posted by: HookInMouth | September 10, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

My problem is with the Dems being so afraid of everything that they don't have the decency to demand that illegal immigrants be covered.

We are a country of immigrants yet we have a wonderful history of hating all immigrants. Give me a break.

Giving illegal immigrants healthcare rewards bad behavior plain and simple. If you think that providing them with healthcare is going to stop the problem you're nuts its only going make it worse. Not only will we provide illegal immigrants with an education now America will pay for their healthcare. Millions more illegal immigrants are going to come over just for that alone. And who is going to pay for this. Working Americans who had to pay for their education and are carrying that debet, working Americans who were somehow able to put enough of an effort in to find a job and who are lucky enough keep it and who have found their own health insurance. Now you want those same working Americans to pay for people who all they have to do is walk across the border to the United States and get health insurance that they didn't put one cent into. Forget it! I'm charitable but if you cant even bother to get a job and attempt to become a productive memeber of the American society and all you can come up with is leaching of people who got their stuff together no way!

I understand these are God's children just like you and me and completely ignoring them is wrong but come into the US the right way and contribute to the benefits we have its the only right thing either side can do.

I'm second generation American and both sets of grandparents managed to make it here legally and have paid taxes in the US for 60 years and contributed to their social security.

I support tax payer funded healthcare for children, elderly, disabled Americans,Americans who are temporary unemployed and their families and working Americans earning below the poverty line. The US has a public school system eveyone has the same opportunity to make here not all schools are not the same but President Obama himself is an example of someone who didn't take an easy way out and demanded he make it on his own. He used his brain and the education he was given and became what I consider to be the ultimate success story probably ever. He is the living embodiment of the potential a person has this Country. Once you are 18 unless you are going to college you need to start being responsible for yourself.

Posted by: IheartUSA1 | September 10, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Excellent column Gene! The President gave a reasoned, yet forceful speech last night. Yet, certain, although by no means all, Republican members of Congress chose to behave in a boorish, uncivil and counterproductive manner.

The two worst offenders were Rep. Joe Wilson and Rep. Eric Cantor. If Rep. Wilson objects to a health insurance bill that covers illegal immigrants, that's fine; but there are certainly more appropriate avenues for expressing his opposition. As for Rep. Cantor sitting there in the front row, playing with his BlackBerry, during the President's speech; that is unfortunately an increasingly common behavior displayed by many (although by no means all owners of mobile devices)- this assumption that messages can't wait for the hour or two that a meeting or a speech is going on and the desperate need of such people to convince the rest of us that they're so terribly important that they must respond immediately. Get over it Eric, you just aren't all that important, so put the BlackBerry in your pocket in the future and pay attention. Who knows? You might even learn something.

As for the claims by several posters on this site that Democrats heckled President Bush; well, I think the genuine shock shown by others in the Chamber, shows that there were no events of this magnitude. I've been listening to State of the Union speeches for the past 15 - 20 years and I don't recall any similar incident.

No, sadly, such tacky behavior is just indicative of someone who has nothing useful to contribute to a civil discussion on issues of such national importance as health.

Posted by: laSerenissima2003 | September 10, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

The GOP is the party of sore winners and sore losers.
They also confuse what they believe to be facts, although beliefs are not facts, just beliefs. And what they actually do want is very uncertain.
Additionally, they would be miserable in any system they create, because they are always sore and angry. Plus they don't believe in their own so called "principles" because all the former fundamentals have been cast overboard and the only guiding principle now is to have power, which they continue to show they will abuse big time.
The GOP no longer believes in the process that governed this country and made it great. Sore winners and sore losers. So they lie, distort, block, defame, argue falsely, make up fake facts, the Bolsheviks and Brownshirts did in the 20th century. and are turning this great country into another Italy - ungovernable and unstable. They are now subversives, traitors, radicals and fools taking us toward becoming an undeveloped country without civilization, which requires trust and mutual respect for truth.

Posted by: enough3 | September 10, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

It is time for Nancy Pelosi and President Obama to Man Up already. I am tired of the president wanting to be Mr. Nice Guy. Rep. Joe Wilson should be censored. But Pelosi and Obama want to continue playing nice. The Republicans are not just playing dirty. They've crossed more than political lines. Their intent is to stir up the crazies with the aim of harming the president. Come on Nancy. Man up. Take action. Sanction Wilson. And President Obama, stop trying to be the popular kid. High school is long over. Do what you were elected to do. Get serious and get the job done. And stop playing "compromise" with the Republican thugs. They are bought and paid for by the insurance industry. They are on the attack. So it is time to Man Up and fight. The time for being nice has long passed. We did not elect compromise. We elected CHANGE.

Posted by: mountaindonna | September 10, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Wilson just finished off the Republicans in the eyes of independents. They've been hearing about all the frothing birthers and death panelers, and now they see with their own eyes that one of the unhinged bunch is in Congress too.

The fact checkers have already proven Wilson a liar, and everyone will know now that the GOP has nothing to stand on but desperate lies.

Posted by: B2O2 | September 10, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

The current house legislation does not preclude participation by illegal aliens and an amendment to prohibit their participation was killed by the Democrats. Obama needs to get his act together and know of what he speaks before he shoots of his mouth. Flatly stating that illegal aliens will not be able to participate is either a lie or an act of ignorance.

Posted by: rplat | September 10, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: B2O " . . . The fact checkers have already proven Wilson a liar, and everyone will know now that the GOP has nothing to stand on but desperate lies."


Hogwash. That is blatantly false. The current house legislation does not preclude participation by illegal aliens and an amendment to prohibit their participation was killed by the Democrats. Obama needs to get his act together and know of what he speaks before he shoots of his mouth. Flatly stating that illegal aliens will not be able to participate is either a lie or an act of ignorance.

Posted by: rplat | September 10, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I am distressed to report the death of all rational thought in the Republican party. Services will be held in November 2010 when we bury the rotting corpse of the Republican body politic once and for all. Refreshment...well, Kool-Aid anyway...will be served.

Posted by: irv1 | September 10, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for Congressman Wilson's contact information. I just sent him a donation. Where was your outrage when Bush was booed you vile, disgusting ahole!

Posted by: ftbindc | September 10, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

It was truly patriotic of Rep. Wilson to speak truth to power. He showed remarkable restraint to wait for Obama's 10th lie. Democrats regularly shouted down President Bush for telling them the truth. Harry Reid and Nazi Pelosi have both called him a liar.

Democrats have voted down any amendment to require proof of citizenship to get health insurance yet this "President" says it won't cover illegals. He lies. Obama says that we must cover the "47 million" uninsured when 15 million of those are illegals. The Democrats' plan covers illegals, abortions and sex change operations. Obama lies, Granny dies. Belive it because it is the truth.

Posted by: oldno7 | September 10, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Robinson, did you just need something to take up space today?

"But it’s no surprise that Obama’s speech was eloquent, well-constructed, logically compelling and full of facts and figures."

BS! Yes, Americans have to shout to get their message out because of 0 journalism from the media pimps.

Posted by: ekim53 | September 10, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are feeding catnip to rabid cats in hopes of destroying Obama, because of their livid hate for him. They are content to be the white racists of the South and nothing more. Such behavior is terrifying.

Posted by: Billy1932 | September 10, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Any president who references the Medicare Trust Fund IS a liar!

Posted by: CyKick | September 10, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Don't confuse arrogance with eloquence and eloquence with honesty. Joe Wilson was a breath of fresh air.

Posted by: jabsemp | September 10, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

For all those that complain about Wilson, you have a very short or selective memory. Do a little Google research and you can easily find how the Dems treated Bush. Listen to his state of the union addresses. What about Kennedy and Reid. Pelosi was an ass to him when ever possible. But since they are your lap dogs it was ok.

What was glaring about this article was that Mr. Robinson did not deny that statement Obama made was a lie. I heard Wilson talk about the bill and the statement Obama made was in fact a lie. If Mr. Robinson had any journalistic integrity at all, which he does not, he would have done a little investing before commenting. And now he would correct his error. But, he is a coward and an apologist.

Since Mr. Wilson's outburst, the Dems have been scrambling to close a loophole they have been voting to keep open. Now that a light has been shown on their what they were doing, they are running scared.

Posted by: salgofnir | September 11, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson's outburst was the most undignified and unprofessional performance I've ever seen in politics. Ever. However, that he displayed right there in the open exactly what Obama's speech was about was just "perfect". All of the angry yelling and nonsense spread by repubs and their zombie followers was completely on display and on a national stage. I honestly beleive these people can think they can "shout" their way back into power. I was very angry at the blatant disrespect for President Obama, then booted up my computer and contributed to Wilson's competition in the next SC election and today I'm happy he put on display for all to see how completey out of control and out of touch these people have become.

Every single time I hear a repub say "the American people want this", "the American people want that" I just have to wonder...have they decided to completely ignore what "the American people" said to them last November? I mean "the American people" were speaking pretty loudly when they handed you your walking papers. In fact...the whole world was screaming "so long suckers"!

Posted by: MPATL | September 11, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

You should not count on Mr. Wilson's constituents feeling embarrassed over his behavior. Believe me, I know the state well and most of his constituents are puffed up with pride that they have elected a representative who lacks even the basics of protocol and civility. To the contrary, I expect the majority of them to now organize "You Lie" town hall meetings and tea parties and to sell memorabilia celebrating their man's uncouth behavior.

Posted by: stroud00 | September 11, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Well Obama is lieing . he already said he was for giving non US citizens S.S. and they already git free medical so it is a lie . And now what our congressmen can't show there contempt ? For what Obama says all America needs well . America Cant aford it and we all know it so who do you think is going to pay for it ? why of corse we american's anything the president dose so called (reform) cost we the people and thats what that congress man was yelling about ..He and alot of american's know that we the people's Bills are fixing to go up. if that health bill is passed .

Posted by: AMERICANDREAMER | September 11, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans announced their objective to obstruct the HealthPlan from the getgo, and the main problem most Democrats have with Pres Obama's approach is that he has been trying too hard to be civil and to listen to the other side and be bipartisan about the policy despite the hysteria, lies and brutish insults made about the current plan and about him personally.

Talk about "death panals". When the cameras panned the Republican side during the speech we got a glipse of the real death to our nation's health panal.

If the Republicans had or even have a real issue with the plan we do not know, because they have shown such contempt as to consider it beneath them to even take issue with the actual facts of the program. Instead, they make things up. It is easy and effective.

The President is losing independent support largely because they have embraced Republican lies, which is unfortunate, but it is not a reason to embrace the crocodile concerns of grinning Republicans who are just jerking this President around.

The last Republican President made the choice to preemptively attack another country when the facts before him were at most dubious. His failed leadership cost our nation hundreds of billions of tax payer dollars which were used to kill and destroy the lives of thousands and thousands of innocent people.

The current Democratic President is trying to spend far less money to eliminate the suffering of millions of this nation's people.

For reasonable people this should be a no brainer.

If Americans keep denying the truth of our circumstances and fail to take responsibilty for our problems, our nation is doomed to collapse in upon itself and turn into some monsterous fourth world wasteland.

Posted by: maddymappo | September 11, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Wilson's outburst was a bit surprising, but only a bit. A few days ago, I wandered--by accident--into a Tea Bag event in Austin, Texas. The motley assemblage of secessionists, birthers, gun enthusiasts, global warming deniers, and garden variety Obama haters would not be mistaken for a crowd of mannered and civilized human beings.

I understand there will be a rally in Washignton this weekend, with the superstar television nutcase as the featured speaker. I hope lots of Americans watch and pay attention. A decision is at hand--what kind of nation do Americans want? Maybe the nutcase faction will win the hearts and minds of the majority. I would not be surprised by that. The majority voted for Bush in '04, amply demonstrating their critical thinking ability. If the vote in 1980 wasn't enough to show it.

Americans have a long history of gathering at the Capitol. Coxie's Army (1894), the Bonus March (1932), the March on Washington (1963) . . .

Will the Fox superstar deliver another "I have a dream"? Will the this weekend's event be like the 1963 March on Washington or the 1922 March on Rome?

Or will it be a right-wing Woodstock?

Stay tuned, America.

Posted by: guitar1 | September 11, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

83% of U.S. citizens oppose giving any proposed taxpayer-funded health care to ILLEGAL aliens.

Section 242 of the bill is supposed to allay the fears of the People beause it states that "undocumented aliens" are prohibited from receiving health care. Unfortunately, the bill fails to prescribe a method for determining if an individual is in this country illegally.

Section 1702 of the bill requires that "the State shall accept without further determination the enrollment under [the Medicaid program] of an individual determined by the Commissioner to be a non-traditional Medicaid eligible individual." However, the bill does not require the government to apply the existing citizenship and identity verification requirements that exist in the current Medicare statute.

Furthermore, under Art. 1, Sec. 8 of the Constitution, NO where is Congress authorized to set up, run or legislate in the area of medical care, health care or whatever you want to call it. None.

This issue has already been ruled on -

In Linder v. United States, 268 U.S. 5, 18, 45 S. Ct. 446 (1925), The court ruled: "Obviously, direct control of medical practice in and of states is beyond the power the federal government."

- Lift the government regulations that limit competition which creates a partial monopoly

- Allow interstate commerce in health insurance

It solves rationing. It solves pre-existing conditions. It solves people being able to carry insurance when they lose their job or change states.


Rep. Joe Wilson of S.C. is correct and should be congradulated for telling the truth - I'm sure our founding fathers would be pround of him for yelling so the world could hear - Obama is lying because he is.

Posted by: AJAX2 | September 11, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

What other kind of behavior do you expect from a Southern WHITE MALE who has a well-educated Negro in power????

The shouters, birthers and DoctorFixits of the world are beside themselves with fear and anger at the idea of someone who they deem below them is now so far above them in esteem and manners. I am sure their lilly white fathers never prepared them for a BLACK MAN WITH POWER so the regress to childhood.

I laugh at them

Posted by: kare1 | September 11, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson, I just can't believe that you actually waited for this momment to show your true color, this is not a racist moment, your oldest son said that you are not racist, If your not racist than your Very disrespectful to black people and the PRESIDENT OD THE UNITED STATES. That is worst.You would not have done this to BUSH, Clinton or any other 43 president, your wife is proud of you. You need to stand behind her and not beside her shame on you. A@@hole.

Posted by: biancadill3aolcom | September 16, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I was shocked that the Republicans acted the way they did on WEDNESDAY, making posters,doodling in their chairs,shouting mean things. I am Uphauled showing the president you dont respecthis position, If I was president I would have you all walked out of the building and not able to come back. God forbid if you all get the seat again,The Republicans have no class what so ever.

Posted by: biancadill3aolcom | September 16, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

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