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The Real Public Option: Start Over

So President Obama invited himself into our living rooms tonight...why? Not to address questions of war and peace -- even though we are fighting two wars overseas, and even though an avowed enemy and terror sponsor is rushing towards nuclear weapons. Not to address the economy -- even though unemployment continues to rise, the deficit is at an all-time high, and we face a truly worrisome debt burden in the years ahead. And not to rally the nation in the face of some other crisis.

But isn’t health care a crisis? No.

Indeed, the president acknowledged it isn’t: “But we did not come here just to clean up crises. We came to build a future. So tonight, I return to speak to all of you about an issue that is central to that future -- and that is the issue of health care.” In other words, health care -- unlike, say, the financial system a few months ago -- is not in a state of crisis.

So there is no health care crisis. There are a host of normal public policy issues dealing with health care that can be dealt with through the normal political process.

But that doesn’t suit Obama. He’s decided a big victory on health care is key to his political success. He’s decided we all have to acquiesce in a massive overhaul of our health care system because...he’s decided he wants it.

He said, “I am not the first president to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last.” This suggests how grandiloquent his self-understanding is. After all, even if he were to prevail with some form of his legislation, others would come along with further and other reforms. Obama really isn’t our last, best hope for public policy changes in this area -- or in any other.

And the American public isn’t buying it. A poll released today shows that 49 percent of Americans oppose “the health care reform plans being discussed in Congress,” while only 34 percent approve; 36 percent “strongly” oppose the plans while only 16 percent “strongly” support them. Furthermore, when asked what the president and Congress should now do about health care, 42 percent choose “scrap the current negotiations and start over from scratch” and 18 percent say leave our current health care alone -- with only 39 percent saying they should keep working to pass something “by the end of the year.” So 60 percent prefer starting over or doing nothing to an Obama-style plan.

The real “public option” is to scrap the current grandiose plans and to start over. There is no health care crisis, and doing no harm is far preferable to doing real damage to a good health care system.

By William Kristol  | September 9, 2009; 9:30 PM ET
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well this is typical of a neocon. you use propaganda to destroy the debate regarding health care reform, then when your lies have reached a peak and you have the public opinion on your side, based on lies and deceit, and the president tries to set it straight, you do a 180 and say...oh what health care reform? we have wars (that you neocons started). typical propaganda lies (I guess global hegemony is your only goal...it doesn't matter to the neocons that people die needlessly in this country. the neocons are interested in one thing and one thing only...to lie to the public to achieve their ideological agenda of global hegemony. They refuse to give democrats any wins, no matter how beneficial, because in the end, it will hurt the neocon cause of global domination. So this whole charade from the neocons and the extreme right wing, although successful is a deceitful piece of political ideological warfare that is not based on good public policy but to undermine and demonize the democrats for the sole purpose of gaining political clout to pursue more wars, hate, and global domination.

Posted by: leftoflarry | September 9, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol -- you have offered us cynical drivel that verges on character assassination. Reform of health care was one of the planks -- one of the BIG planks -- on which Obama campaigned for the Presidency. In case you forgot, he WON that election -- not just with a majority of electoral votes, but with a majority of actual votes cast. This is one of the BIG ISSUES that the voters voted on when they voted FOR this person for PRESIDENT. The majority of voters agreed then, and they agree today, that health care is a crisis for the U.S.A.

Health care IS a crisis -- perhaps not for you personally, but for this country, most definitely. And Obama explained, very clearly, in his speech why that is the case. Go back and read his speech.

Posted by: incredulousinBoyntonBeach | September 9, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I'll save space. I had intended in only copying and pasting Kristol's last two paragraphs, to help us really reflect on how utterly bereft of suasion the neo-cons are.

But there's not real point, after all.

Posted by: abqcleve | September 9, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Nonsense. It doesn't have to be immediately fatal to be a crisis. And we see what waiting 15 years since the last reform effort got us - a FAR more useless system.

Posted by: Hillman1 | September 9, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

From wikipedia, for what it's worth:

Kristol has been criticized for inaccuracies in his columns, and for predictions he made that later turned out to be incorrect. This has led some to question his journalistic credibility. Eric Alterman wrote that "if one looks for a consistent pattern to Kristol's perpetual wrongness, it's not hard to discern. For Kristol is less interested in being correct than in advancing his side's interests. He's not a journalist; he's an apparatchik working undercover as a man of the press."

Posted by: clem75 | September 9, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

"The real “public option” is to scrap the current grandiose plans and to start over. There is no health care crisis, and doing no harm is far preferable to doing real damage to a good health care system."

I used to read Mr. Kristol's column or watch him talk on TV, but he is simply out of touch or lying about health care reform.

Who could even call our health care system good?

Posted by: dummy4peace | September 9, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

The 'Blush Index Rating' of the far 'right' in the GOP? ... On 'live' TV. .... Priceless! ... they know, they know.

Posted by: deepthroat21 | September 9, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I never really believed the WaPo would employ what previous posters claimed was such a lying, ignorant moron. I was wrong! I just read Bill Kristol and I am shocked. No, really---does this guy have a second job with Fox/News or Rush or somebody? These lying liars have spent uncounted hours besieging gullible people with one shameless falsehood/scare tactic after another and now they say "See, Americans don't want health care reform!" If there is a just God He will have a special corner of HELL reserved for these treacherous, anti-American pukes for their "win-at-any-cost" tactics.

Posted by: billalves714 | September 9, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Kristol, at least you never surprise the reader. I know what you'll say before I read the first sentence. Haven't been wrong yet. Come to think of it, that's just the opposite of you...have you ever been right? Good thing your father got you into this bloviator business cause you'd have never made it on your own.

Posted by: AHappyWarrior | September 9, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Kristol,

No one more than I is in anyway interested in what you have to say.

Go Away!

Posted by: lcarter0311 | September 9, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

The Public Option is not Universal Health Care, which would be start-over.

The Public Plan is limited in size. It is self-sustaining based on the premiums collected from mostly the Middle Class, who do not qualify for Medicaid but cannot afford coverage.

The Public Plan will help the Poor get better paid jobs and move away from Medicaid and welfare.

For the health care reform bill not to increase deficit, it will have to include the Public Option.

Posted by: dummy4peace | September 9, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I find it interesting that Mr. Kristol advocates that we have no crisis in healthcare and we should not rush into hasty reform. Perhaps if Mr. Kristol had felt such a lack of urgency to invade Iraq, there would be thousands fewer dead American soldiers and billions of dollars saved. Perhaps he doesn't believe in nipping problems in the bud or preventative medicine?
He quotes a figure of 49% of polled Americans as being opposed to healthcare reform as discussed in Congress. Of course! The level of discourse has been twisted and poisoned with misinformation. As a voter that makes an effort to inform myself, even I have a hard time teasing out the details of the various proposals from the propaganda. The media hasn't helped, giving too much air time to ideological blow hards such as Mr. Kristol. President Obama is proposing a much needed fix, and appears to be willing to work in a bipartisan fashion. Perhaps now is a good time for the partisans, such as Mr. Kristol, to stop being part of the problem and get out of the way of the solution.

Posted by: michaelschening | September 9, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Why does the Washington Post publish this thoroughly dishonest drivel? It's offensive, not because of political differences, but because it's directed against public health and against the well-being of the American people. It's completely irresponsible and viciously cruel of William Kristol to belittle the millions who are suffering just because he is sitting pretty.

Posted by: andyk2 | September 9, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Following Kristol's idiotic train of thought (sic), a diagnosis of cancer would not be a crisis.

Since the cancer isn't likely to kill you in the next week or two, no need to do anything about it. No need to rush into surgery, or get treatment. Just amble along until you are at death's door.

Cancer is defined as an out-of-control growth. And that's what we're suffering from in health care: an out-of-control growth.

Would Kristol prefer to delay treatment until the cancer of American health care costs have devoured 20% or 25% of America's GDP.

Or would he prefer to get started on containing and treating the growth now?

Being an idiot and a Republican, Kristol would prefer to stick his head in the sand.


Posted by: WhatHeSaid | September 9, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Don't be too quick to chase Kristol away. He is perhaps the single person most responsible for the demise of the GOP. Without him, McCain may have picked someone with half a brain as VP, and he could conceivably have won. Without Palin, the rise of the dim may not have happened, and the GOP might not be in its "Lord of the Flies" stage. He is like a laser-guided bomb on the Republican Party. Keep him around.

Posted by: steveboyington | September 9, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Bill,

The real public option is single payer as countries with it spend half as much as we do to cover everyone. It's funny when you have an ideology that matches reality like that of the Soviet Union -- it blinds you to the fact that you're going bankrupt.


We need a public option so we can remove the private insurance gate keepers and rationers from the current picture. I am sure that you have really good health insurance, Mr Kristol. Should hardworking self-employed people be as fortunate as you to have good insurance!

Posted by: william26 | September 9, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

It may not be a crisis to McKristal or his family, but it is to many people. Amazing how out of touch the right wing leaders are with middle class life.

He and his need not worry about their health future, or how to pay for a dental cleaning. Much of middle class America is not in that position. We budget for dental care every two or three years. Eye exams every five years. Even with insurance, we don't go to the doctor unless it is an emergency, since the copays and deductible must be paid before any coverage begins from the insurance company. That is how it is with private policy holders.

Posted by: rjbunny | September 9, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Why is this callow fool still here?

Posted by: clarkhull | September 9, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Every major paper should have dissenting views but why allowing Billy boy to "write" lowers your credibility.

Posted by: rlj1 | September 9, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Before tonight, there used to be a 'crisis'. ... No more. ... Well done Mr. President!

Posted by: deepthroat21 | September 9, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

kristol,

Your defense of this issue (and any other for that matter) is without relevance (except for rich white guys) and others of your friends that are so christianly "holier-than thou".

In case no one has explained this to you - this country doesn't belong to just you and your anemic friends.

You have always been so pathetically lame and you become lamer by the day; when will you disappear?

When?

Posted by: rx0mcx | September 9, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Bill,
just go away please and take the rest of the Neocons with you. No one outside of the Beltway agrees with any of you.

Posted by: jtf32 | September 9, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Why post is publishing Kristol?

Posted by: smart_sha | September 9, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm still waiting for The Joker (aka Smilin' Billy Kristol) to tell us what is wrong with the mandatory universal health care system adopted by his beloved homeland of Israel.

The Joker, having a deceitful, slippery character, simply grins his rictus grin and goes about his dishonest business of spewing lies and misinformation.

Posted by: WhatHeSaid | September 9, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Nailed it!

"Never waste a good crisis" is Obama's motto. If there is no crisis, call it one anyway. Seriously, how many crises have we had now that Obama is president?

The fact is, if it were a real crisis that deeply affected us all, we'd all want to do something drastic about it. Yesterday. Crises don't come and go along party lines.

Posted by: SamBezos | September 9, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Whoa Willy!

Right on time with another AIPAC-blessed anti-Obama Kristol excretion!

But can't you come up with a more realistic Obama Bashing diatribe than this piece of obfuscatory, disinformative crap that even a primary school dropout goober could craft in 30 seconds?

Well, maybe not...

I suggest you head on over to the AIPAC/AEI offices.

Krauthammer and his minions are seething over the President's argument with Nutanyahoo about the Likud's planned expansion of Israeli settlements (as you no doubt bitterly realize).

This is sure to set back the laughably titled 'Israeli Peace Process' a hundred years!

So, what we need to do is bolster the wingnut goober right in the USA so we get a Palin-like, Israeli-controlled sock-puppet in the Whitehouse in 2012.

You know -- a president who believes in the Judeo-Christian right to rule the world -- a president that will continue to support any and every war Israel wants the USA to fight for them.

Next stop: Iran.

Go get 'em Willy! Maybe you'll get your kiss from Bibi soon!

.

Posted by: Frank57 | September 9, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Wow Sad Bill,
Your are just interested by ongoing wars in Iraq and AfPak and more importantly by the new one your neocons friends and AIPAC followers want USA to wage on behalf of Israel on Iran.
If tomorrow Prez Obama says that he supports unconditionally Israel and that he is ready to help destroy Iran then I'm pretty sure that you will write a piece od op/ed in which Prez Obama will be presented as on of the greatest presidents ever...
We are tired of your zionist games Bill and take care the day where American people will re-connect with the values of The Founding Fathers and reject your Wallstreeters friends and zinonists neocons...I'm worried that the backclash will be terrible for the Zionists Sad Bill...Sad man...

Posted by: eddy3 | September 9, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Notice the criticisms, Kristol, are bereft of any credible responses? Simply more demagoguery from those incensed that anyone could have a differing opinion.

"Think of the children!"
"You could lose your job tomorrow!"
"I know a guy who..."
"Death panels"

It's all fear mongering and makes for great political fire making, but crappy decision making.

There is plenty of room in the current system for improvement and there are lots of good solutions out there that don't involve the government being both the referee and player in the game.

How could tort reform and allowing interstate competition NOT drive down costs and improve quality? Why is this a "concession?" Any plan should have these elements.

Keep up the good work!

Posted by: SamBezos | September 9, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

"In the first of what would become legendary strategy memos circulated among Republican policymakers, Kristol said the party should "kill", not amend or compromise on, the Clinton health care plan. The success of the Clinton proposal, he warned, would "re-legitimize middle-class dependence for 'security' on government spending and regulation", and "revive ... the Democrats, as the generous protector of middle-class interests."[3] Kristol's memo immediately became important in uniting Republicans behind total opposition to Clinton's reform plan. A later memo advocated the phrase "There is no health care crisis," which Senate Minority Leader Bob Dole used in his response to Clinton's 1994 State of the Union address."- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kristol

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 9, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

On February 20, 2003, Kristol said of Saddam: "He's got weapons of mass destruction ... Look, if we free the people of Iraq we will be respected in the Arab world." On March 1, 2003 — 18 days before the invasion of Iraq — Kristol dismissed the possibility of sectarian conflict afterward. He also said, "Very few wars in American history were prepared better or more thoroughly than this one by this president." He maintained that the war would cost $100 billion to $200 billion... On March 5, 2003, Kristol said, "We'll be vindicated when we discover the weapons of mass destruction."

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 9, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Kristol also wrote a book The War Over Iraq with Lawrence Kaplan before the Iraq War: "The United States may need to occupy Iraq for some time. Though U.N., European and Arab forces will, as in Afghanistan, contribute troops, the principal responsibility will doubtless fall to the country that liberates Baghdad. According to one estimate, initially as many as 75,000 troops may be required to police the war's aftermath, at a cost of $16 billion a year. As other countries' forces arrive, and as Iraq rebuilds its economy and political system, that force could probably be drawn down to several thousand soldiers after a year or two."

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 9, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Put a cork in it Kristol, as the quotes below demonstrate, you have made a career out of being wrong.

February 20, 2003
If we free the people of Iraq, we will be respected in the Arab world... and I think we will be respected around the world.

March 1, 2003
Very few wars in American history were prepared better or more throughly than this one by this president.

April 28, 2003
The first two battles of this new era are now over. The battles of Afghanistan and Iraq has been won decisively and honorably.

December 17, 2006
Barack Obama is not going to beat Hillary Clinton in a single democratic primary. I'll predict that right now.

Posted by: gipper01 | September 9, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

No healthcare crisis? Hilarious! This is so laughable that - as a Democrat - I hope Mr. Kristol keeps repeating it loudly and often.

Once again, the GOP shows it can't deal in reality.

Posted by: JustinOhio | September 9, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

According to writer Scott Horton, Kristol also played a part in Palin's selection, by "arguing that she was young, popular, vigorous, unknown and had the right connections to the Religious Right bloc which had proven so important to Republican wins in 2000 and 2004."

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 9, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

1000points

Are any of those a response to this article? Look! He has political affiliations and can't see into the future! String him up!

What quotes of yours could we use if you expressed your ideas in public forums?

Posted by: SamBezos | September 9, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

How's that "noble lie" workin' out for you, Billy?

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 9, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Kristol gets it wrong so often that he has absolutely no credibility to write on this or any other subject.

Posted by: gipper01 | September 9, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. Kristol,

For those of us living with the agony of a debilitating chronic disease--multiple sclerosis in this case--the current state of our healthcare system is a crisis of epic proportions. After decades of working and faithfully paying insurance premiums, my family now spends an absurd amount of time battling our health insurance company to get them to live up to their contractual commitments. I can't imagine how difficult it must be for someone who doesn't have a close family member willing to spend hours on the phone with insurance company employees who try to play word games with policy language to convince you that you're no longer eligible for coverage despite the fact that they cashed your premium check. I agree with President Obama that the lack of integrity so often seen in the healthcare system today is a serious threat to our national character. As a Christian, I also believe that the lack of compassion being displayed by many who frequently use the cross as a political weapon is in total opposition to the life and teachings of Jesus. The vicious lies that have been carelessly tossed into this debate are yet another example of the downward trajectory of our civility and integrity. If the status quo endures, I have no doubt that the current crisis will blossom into a full-blown catastrophe.

Posted by: mimi_strick | September 9, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Why is it always the privileged myopic ideologues who believe in rule by a select few of wise leaders?

Billy's belief that he is one of the wise proves he's not. The only reason he has a voice is because of his daddy's affirmative action and the wingnut welfare that purchases a seat at the table.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 9, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Kristol-- please do your country a favor and die already. I don't much care for "retribution"-- just do it quickly. You're a vapid, useless, cynical worm. Go ahead, die already.

Posted by: alarico | September 9, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Get em Billy... Hopefully these malcontents will get a brain anyerism and croak like that fat whale Kennedy.

Posted by: BO_Stinks | September 9, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Sam Bezos,

"Are any of those a response to this article?"
"What quotes of yours could we use if you expressed your ideas in public forums?"

"In the first of what would become legendary strategy memos circulated among Republican policymakers, Kristol said the party should "kill", not amend or compromise on, the Clinton health care plan. The success of the Clinton proposal, he warned, would "re-legitimize middle-class dependence for 'security' on government spending and regulation", and "revive ... the Democrats, as the generous protector of middle-class interests."[3] Kristol's memo immediately became important in uniting Republicans behind total opposition to Clinton's reform plan. A later memo advocated the phrase "There is no health care crisis," which Senate Minority Leader Bob Dole used in his response to Clinton's 1994 State of the Union address."- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kristol

If you don't see how that applies here then I can only conclude that you are a conservative.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 9, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

There are no free lunches. A tired line I know, but a basic truth. If you don't clearly understand the tradeoffs and risks of any plan you advocate, it doesn't mean that there aren't any tradeoffs and risks.

If you can't identify and articulate a single tradeoff or risk of the plan you advocate, what's your opinion worth?

Posted by: SamBezos | September 9, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

I think the point you're making is he's been wrong in the past, he can't be right in the future? Even you should see the fallacy there.

Posted by: SamBezos | September 9, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

I guess Kristol is afraid that if we spent a few more billions on health care that we might not have enough money left to continue to subsidize Israeli's continued colonization of the West Bank.

Posted by: ripvanwinkleincollege | September 9, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Mr Kristol is correct. There is no health crisis. Just socialists who want to take more power to government. Next they will want to raise the debt limit. NO MORE DEFICIT SPENDING!

John Dynan Candon

Posted by: jdcandon | September 9, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

SamBezos,

"There are no free lunches."

Sure there are. Billy got them because of his daddy.

Same with W. and his daddy. And his daddy because of his daddy.

And W's daughter Jenna for her gig at the Today Show.

And Podhoretz.

And Liz Cheney.

And Megan McCain.

And Jonah Goldberg.

And Chris Wallace.

And Tucker Carlson.

And Lisa Murkowski.

And Kagan, Goldberg, and Sununu to name a few.

All against affirmative action, of course.

Or how about bank CEOs and financial firm employee bonuses? What are those bonuses? Rewards for excellent work?

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 9, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

"NO MORE DEFICIT SPENDING!"

Perhaps you should inform the Republicans. They create more debt than Democrats.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 9, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

FAT ARSES LIKE you are a burden on healthcare. Not to mention the fact that we are sick of your ugly face.

Posted by: dogsbestfriend | September 9, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

SamBezos,

"I think the point you're making.."

Kristol - "But isn’t health care a crisis? No."

Once again - "A later memo advocated the phrase "There is no health care crisis," which Senate Minority Leader Bob Dole used in his response to Clinton's 1994 State of the Union address."

Even you should see the point there. Or maybe not, considering that the Republicans roll conservative voters with their bs "fiscal responsibility" every single election while producing more debt than Democrats. Conservative votes for Republicans are the definition of insanity.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 9, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse


Kristol wants to save the money for the war on Iran. Then of course he will turn around and tell us they never pushed for war with anyone.

"US Jews push Obama to act on Iran"

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1251804532485&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Posted by: dogsbestfriend | September 9, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Must be nice to be so wealthy that you can afford rose colored glasses and see the health care system as 'good'. The average American is paying way more than they can afford to keep their kids insured, and beaten about the head by the same provider that's meant to be helping them.

I think the point is Kristol is a liar that only tries to promote his GOP agenda. He's using the same tactics he used against the Clinton's because if it worked once it might work again. He's not interested in Americans. He's interested in manipulating voting pods into fighting what he's opposed to and endorsing what he wants to achieve, all through the use of lies and distortions. The thing about Kristol is, he's not a good writer. He's actually pretty mediocre. A good writer would hide the wringing hands in between lines of powerful, well crafted rhetoric. Instead, he offers little more than a blog post, poorly conceived and executed. He can barely contain his darkness. I'm surprised he wrote something so poorly for all to see. He's just kind of goose-stepping the party line; he's a caricature, meant for Mel Brooks parodies. Harvard in three years must be about staying in every night while the rest of the world avoids you.

Posted by: oo7 | September 9, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

You may not be having a health care crisis, Mr Kristol, but tens of millions of people are.

Let me know how an unemployed person should afford $12,000 per year for insurance (with co-pays and deductibles several thousand dollars per year additional).

Waiting for your solution. Oh, I forgot, there's no problem, let's just leave things as they are.

Posted by: mxyzptlk1 | September 9, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Bill Kristol,

What is your solution?

Posted by: pgres | September 9, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

It's a crisis for my family, and many others. Maybe not for wealthy journalists working for large organizations, but it is for us. It is a bigger crisis than the recession, fear of terrorism, or anything else. We earn an above- average income but we are vulnerable to medical bankruptcy.

Two of the four members of my family have expensive, pre-existing conditions caused by genetics (we live a healthy, responsible lifestyle). A third member has a slight potential for a problem that makes individual insurance more expensive. The only way we have insurance now is through my wife's employment. If she loses her employee benefits we are at risk for bankruptcy. Every year or so our out- of-pocket expense goes up (now it is $18K not including premiums). We recently were given lifetime limits of $500k, and one of us may exceed them in the next few years. We have dealt with both Medicare and private insurance, and Medicare is easier to deal with by far. The employees of Medicare are accessible, courteous, knowledgeable, and able to give clear answers to my questions. Not true with our private insurance. On many occasions our doctors have had to write lengthy appeals to force the insurance company to provide the care we need.

The GOP alternatives are a sham: malpractice reform, buying across state lines, HSAs, giving tax credits to my family, etc. None of these would address our problem. The free market has not been able to solve this problem, now we are ready to give government a turn.

Posted by: outragex | September 9, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol is one of the conservative idealogues responsible for the introduction of the dangerously calculating Mrs. Palin to the national political stage. Everything Kristol does and says should be measured against that cynical act.

Posted by: embark7 | September 10, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Where are the comparative studies of other national systems which seem, notwithstanding problems, to work. Price can ration treatment whether public or private. In hospices for the dying decisions are taken by physicians and families to end treatment 1000's of times every day. Who is to be trusted more: a bureaucrat or an insurance claims official. There are millions of reasons to be mean but only one to be generous.

Posted by: davidnelsonau | September 10, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Mr Kristol, you are truly sick and truly out of touch! You article is disgusting. There is no crisis on health care?!?! For anyone with a serious illness being denied coverage, every day is a crisis. For the person who needs cancer treatment, HIV antiretrovirals, or a host of other life sustaining drugs, but who is denied access, every moment is a crisis.

Clearly you heard nothing of the end of the President's speech and of the moral imperative to providing coverage for everyone. But then such a hardened insensitive heart would be deaf to it. You are a discredit to this country and to the essence of what it is to be American. Some day I pray you will reflect on what you have done and said and see the disgust of rhetoric!

Posted by: voiceofreason21stcentury | September 10, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Let's wait until health care is in crisis, before tackling it. That's great leadership. You are an uninformed partisan hack.

Posted by: rcvinson64 | September 10, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Healthcare may not be a matter of war and peace but it is a matter of life and death. It may not be the whole economy but it is about 18% of it.

And if we wait until it is a crisis to address it, we will have reached the point of no return for the future health of the people and the economy.

Kristol is such a sad spectacle.

Posted by: j2hess | September 10, 2009 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Sorry mr. kristol your boogey man shtick isn't going to work this time - oh your echo chamber lemmings will still fall for your hooey, but that 20% have proven that they'll lap up about anything.

The President did a fabulous job of shooting down the lies from the looney right wing. He cut them off at their knees. This definitely changes the momentum.

Tune in tomorrow when mr. kristol rants incoherently because Pres. Obama said the sky is blue and grass is green.

Posted by: notfooledbydistractions | September 10, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Biggest deficit in U.S. history before Obama:

$475,000,000,000

Obama's first-year deficit:

$1,600,000,000,000

(Hint: note the extra zeroes! They're important!)

Obama's projected second-year deficit:

$1,200,000,000,000

Obama's projected third-year deficit:

$1,000,000,000,000

Obama's projected deficits through 2019:

$9,000,000,000,000

Now it seems liberals have a hard time with arithmetic--perhaps because they're fixated on typing "neocon" over and over!--but if you knew how to add, subtract, multiply, and divide, you know that a "federal deficit" means the federal government must borrow money because it is out of money.

And if you knew a thing about economics, you would know that all of Obama's borrowing is going to make interest rates shoot up as soon as the economy starts to recover and takes up the slack on demand.

And if you understand that much, you know raising interest rates will stoke inflation and that will make everything--EVERYTHING--cost more.

Raise taxes, you say?

Well, let's think about that. Raises taxes on whom? At this point the Liberal will spasm and shout out: "Tax the rich!"

Ok, let me ask a simple question:

Who creates jobs in this country?

Yes, that's right.. the rich do! They invest money and take risks and provide the financial impetus for hiring. Indeed, ALL of small business hiring comes from "rich" people risking their capital. ALL of it.

I know liberals think jobs come from the Giant Job Tree in Barack Obama's backyard, but we adults know better. We know that if you tax the rich, you will, with mathematical certainty, reduce the number of jobs that will be created.

These are elementary facts of life that never seem to intrude on your typical emoting liberal. For such people live in a fantasy world that is full of free lunches, lifetime immunity from consequences, and a 'compassion' that, by gosh, always find expression in their desire to live off other people's money.

Obama is the perfect president for these people. His latest fantasy is the epitome of hallucination, for it claims that we can magically provide health care for everyone without adding a dime to the deficit.

When Obama says that, as he did tonight before millions of witnesses in prime time, he lies.

When his supporters repeat that, they knowingly support a man who is not honest.

Fortunately, the game is almost up on this Children's Hour, as the American people are at last seeing the real Obama and turning heavily against him.

If there is a "crisis" in this country, it is Barack Obama's obscene overspending. That, and not the few millions of medically uninsured, is the clear and present domestic danger to the United States.

Posted by: SARileyMan | September 10, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse

uh yeah, that's the problem with the country, obamas overspending. Not the enourmous sums of money the republicans handed out to defense contractors, subsidizing oil companies, starting wars on faulty premises (where are the weapons of mass destruction, Kristol? just more lies) instead of helping the average American, the ones that aren't rich enough to pay out the nose for basic health coverage. But he thinks we should spend the money taking out Iran. Then Syria, Jordan, Saudia Arabia... and not the Congo, darfur, rwanda...

Kristol and his I'll think people should suffer for not being wealthy. I hate his America. Mine is better. NOW all these fools are worried about the deficit, not when halliburton was ripping us off.

Posted by: oo7 | September 10, 2009 1:16 AM | Report abuse

SARileyMan,

So are you supposed to be an adult or something?

Perhaps you should do a little research on reality before you post things that confirm your idiocy.

Seriously, SAR, you need to stop listening to cons. None of your beliefs are backed by facts. Your ideology is getting in the way of your brain. If you have anything to add that isn't some worn out discredited ideological "argument" then maybe you could post it.

Nice try, kid.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Is this some sort of practice area for aspiring talking points spammers? Is the rich farrago (unusable, pointless mixture) of ad hominem attack displayed above indicative of the intellectual and educational achievement level of WaPo readers of the comic strips perhaps)?

Do all of you spewers really accept that the solution to health care access for those that are out of work is to strip all choice from those that have some? Bill Kristol's character and veracity (truthfulness for 2/3's of the above)are not on trial at the moment.. the President's ARE.

How will this be paid for? Simple question that, if answered honestly, even with a reasonable tax proposal would have calmed a lot of worries, but the answer tonight was "...it won't cost a thing."

That says that the President or whoever is advising him on his suicidal course believes they can get away with untruth in the public discourse... that they will go unchallenged as they were during the campaign. The WaPo is part of that calculation for their Sergeant Schulz-like approach to the President's gaffes... and now they have to look the other way as the failures become more and more evident.

Try reading Camille Paglia's column in Salon if you want a real, unvarnished look at the future of this politician... and those that are too fearful for the fate of their selected path to tell the emperor the cloth he is selling isn't there.

Posted by: preposterous | September 10, 2009 1:25 AM | Report abuse

@oo7:

Halliburton?

Obama's DAILY deficit is more than Halliburton's ANNUAL net income. And Obama plans to run deficits that big for the next 3650 days. So, shall we speak of Obama's wasteful "3650 Halliburtons"?

And the entire spending on the Iraq War would fit comfortably, with lots of room to spare, inside a single annual deficit that Barack Obama plans for this country.

Besides, money already spent is already spent. Can't change the past. We're talking about the present and the future. Update your cliche sheet. It's soooo 2004.

Posted by: SARileyMan | September 10, 2009 1:26 AM | Report abuse

@1000PointsofFright:

I (and the honest readers out there) noted you did not offer a factual dispute a single point of mine. It is inarguable that Obama's planned deficits are several times larger than any that have come before.

Or perhaps you do not understand that $475 Billion is but a fraction of $1,600 Billion?

Let me put it this way: If the largest Bush deficit was a quarter, Obama's are between 80 cents and a dollar. Is that clear enough?

Do you dispute Obama's release of his own budget projections for fiscal 2010 and beyond?

Posted by: SARileyMan | September 10, 2009 1:32 AM | Report abuse

@preposterous

You're right about Paglia's column. She is a rare breed: a clear-eyed liberal who thinks truth-telling is important. She may be right about Obama. I've never seen a politician empty his trust account with the American people so fast.

Posted by: SARileyMan | September 10, 2009 1:39 AM | Report abuse

For those with cozy jobs and elevated egos well above the common folks in America, there certainly is no health care crisis. What's the matter with the status quo? Who cares? Tonight I think President Obama gave us a good message, one that brings us together in concern for each other. Let's end denials of health care based on pre-conditions. Let's all agree on that. The Obama health care bill of rights is a start in the right direction.

Posted by: crossingsg | September 10, 2009 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Bill Kristol really needs to remove his head from his ass. He has been right about nothing for the last two decades.

Posted by: atlasfugged | September 10, 2009 1:48 AM | Report abuse

SARileyMan,

Democrats are superior in every aspect of the economy except inflation. Including national debt and the market. Even in spite of the Fed manipulations in favor of republicans. This is fact regardless of the variables of control of the Presidency, Congress, or Fed policies. Take a look at the economic facts since WWII. Face reality.

Republicans have no legitimacy on economic issues. Even less on matters of war and security. Their "family values" are a joke. Their "patriotism" on issues of respect and concern for our soldiers is just for PR. Their respect for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is non-existent. The only thing they are good at is propaganda.

If conservatives are kept away from any and all power, the conservative "starve the beast" government busting deficit and debt will be taken care of. Keep the far right extremists in their caves staring at the Fox shadows on the walls.

Health care can be paid for by reversing the bush tax cuts. Very simple. And before you start doing the whining for the wealthy, this country had decades of economic growth when the top marginal tax rate was over 70%. And income inequality was nowhere near the obscene levels it is at now. We have the inequality of a third world country. The worst of any western nation. Good job, conservatives!

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 1:49 AM | Report abuse

SARileyMan,

Are you actually suggesting that conservatives have nothing to do with either the current economic situation or deficits?

Wow.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 1:51 AM | Report abuse

@1000PointsofFright

You write: "Health care can be paid for by reversing the bush tax cuts. Very simple."

I assume you mean the tax cuts enacted in 2003 on the upper income ranges.

Did you not know that they are already going to expire after next year? Did no one tell you?

Obama's deficits include the estimate extra revenue from the expiration of those tax cuts. So, you're in error on this.

You write: "Democrats are superior in every aspect of the economy except inflation. Including national debt and the market."

Really? The last time the Democrats had the House, Senate, and presidency for more than two years was the Carter Administration. Maybe you don't know this, but the brilliant economists known as the Democratic Party made interest rates and inflation *both* go into double digits.

That was the result the last time the Democrats controlled the House, Senate, and White House.

And I might add: this current economic downturn did not begin until the Democrats took over the House and Senate. However, I am sure that Democratic policies had nothing at all to do with it!


Posted by: SARileyMan | September 10, 2009 2:04 AM | Report abuse

Why does the Washington Post give space to this man? He is so biased against Obama that nothing that he writes, or says of FNS, comes off as anything but cynical and snarky.

Posted by: paris1969 | September 10, 2009 2:12 AM | Report abuse

@1000PointsofFright

You ask: "Are you actually suggesting that conservatives have nothing to do with either the current economic situation or deficits?"

My answer is no, it was not the fault of conservatives. However, I certainly grant that Republicans (GOP is not a synonym for conservative) were at fault. They spent several years abusing the taxpayers and spent like drunken Democrats. Bush was the worst of these drunken Democrats.

In fact, about this time last year, a young feller by the name of Barack Obama was complaining loudly that Republicans were fiscally irresponsible. A lot of middle of the road voters believed his sincerity on that issue.

Then Mr. Obama gets the keys to the White House and immediately embarks on a spending spree that makes Mr. Bush look like a miserly teller at a small-town bank.

That is why Obama has dropped in the polls like a man without a parachute. A lot of voters feel misled, and they're a bit angry about it.

Posted by: SARileyMan | September 10, 2009 2:19 AM | Report abuse

I just watched Obama's address to the nation again! I have to admit I didn't get it the first time, and came away very negative, but I've now changed my mind. Everything is wonderful in Obama's America. We are going to improve care for Seniors in Medicare by eliminating waste. With all that savings from eliminating waste we are going to pay for Obamacare for all. When we have Obamacare we will save so much money covering everybody in the country we will reduce the debt by trillions. Then once we are all in Obamacare, except for the President, Congress, and Federal Employees, and the program is by far the biggest government program we've ever had, we will be able to eliminate the inevitable waste in such an immense Government program and buy the entire world. This is a huge wonderful investment! So I've changed my mind. Why this could work like the stimulous bill. Obama promised if we passed it we wouldn't go over 8% UNEMPLOYMENT, and its succeeeded so wildly the recession is over and we have 3% full Employment again!!!! Oops I got overexcited...UNEMPLOYMENT is at 9.7% isn't it? Bad example. I know...cash for clunkers. That exceeded everybody's wildest dream. The plan was to spend $1 Billion and we spent $3 Billion!!! Oops.....spending 3x the original budget on something costing so many Trillions wouldn't be a good thing would it? Well surely Obama has done something since he became President that is truly a wild success. Whatever that is that's my example!!!!

Posted by: valwayne | September 10, 2009 2:29 AM | Report abuse

Kristol,
In what way is it bad policy to identify a problem that will become a crisis in 10 or 20 years and solve it before it becomes a crisis?

Your post fuels our destructive tendencies toward procrastination for short term political gain. I struggle to believe you have sunk so low as to say something so short-sited and petty.

Posted by: zosima | September 10, 2009 2:31 AM | Report abuse

It is amusing to watch the dummycrat vermin wet their pants and foam at the mouth when Kristol speaks.

A few facts for you to digest:

1) Healthcare in Britain and Canada is far inferior to US healthcare and it is rationed.

2) When wealthy people in Britain and Canada get sick they come to the US for treatment.

3) The unions insisted that their membership be exempt from using the government healthcare plan.

4) The dummycrat congresspersons are not willing to use the government healthcare plan that they want to force on the rest of us.

All dummycrats are functionally immoral imbeciles. This POS "healthcare" plan is not going to pass but it would be almost worth it to see the dummycrats squealing when obama starts rationing their sex-change operations.

Posted by: gfr1231 | September 10, 2009 2:31 AM | Report abuse

f.uuuck u, you lying, warmongering sack of sh. it.

Posted by: memorybabe1 | September 10, 2009 2:33 AM | Report abuse

SAR,

Democratic economic superiority -
http://www.slate.com/id/2199810/

Stock Market -
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/03/BUGS13TB3F.DTL

or
http://money.cnn.com/2004/01/21/markets/election_demsvreps/

Enjoy.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 2:46 AM | Report abuse

Also, the plans in congress are very modest proposals that include a number of ideas that should have been implemented a long time ago.

Even if you did intend a restart in earnest the policy you come up with would inevitably end up looking like what is being proposed now. Perhaps the reason Republicans are proposing a "restart" rather than any specific ideas is because they don't have any?

To propose a restart is either a tactic to stop any sort of reform from being done at all or an attempt to seize credit for the same ideas that are already on the table.

Posted by: zosima | September 10, 2009 2:46 AM | Report abuse

SAR,

As for your factual error regarding job creation -
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/08/business/economy/08charts.html
Good job, Supply-side!

Gosh, if the rich create jobs, especially when given tax cuts, then why don't we have unprecedented job growth?

Well, considering this -

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/12/22/business/23wealth_graphic2.html

that theory can join the rest of the conservative policies on the trash heap.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 2:47 AM | Report abuse

SAR,

Top Marginal Tax Rates -
http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php

Job Creation Record -
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 2:50 AM | Report abuse

SAR,

Current deficit -
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/06/09/business/economy/20090610-leonhardt-graphic.html

Conservative destruction of our finances is a policy, not error -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 2:55 AM | Report abuse

SAR,

Look! A graph! Very few words!

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2009/01/23/business/20090124_CHARTS_GRAPHIC.html

GNP and Economic growth -
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/business/31view.html?em

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 3:03 AM | Report abuse

So that's the neocon's answer: start over, slow down, and do nothing for at least another decade because enough of the RIGHT people aren't dying yet. Sorry, Bill, we were stupid enough to listen to you folks and wound up in two wars you couldn't win. We're not going to let you hijack health care reform again. We're done with that and we're done with YOU. Go away now.

Posted by: windrider2 | September 10, 2009 3:04 AM | Report abuse

SAR,

Wait, you may be thinking, what about when control of Congress is factored in?

Glad you asked -
http://angrybear.blogspot.com/2007/02/god-punishes-us-when-we-collectively_16.html

Yeah, well....what about the Fed, you say -
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_02/010773.php

Interesting fact about the job growth chart on that page - the only Dem negative was when Roosevelt listened to conservatives and cut taxes. What's the lesson there, I wonder?

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 3:09 AM | Report abuse

What is with the ad hominem attacks on Kristol

Why not debated the issues at hand not demonize those with opinions.

There is a phrase: If you can't win on the facts attack you opponents character.

Is that what you are all doing... do you really have no interesting policy ideas or points to make. Can you really find no substantive fault with Kristol's views that you can politely express?

Please we will all get nowhere is the discussion doesn't stay on the details and merits of the various proposed solutions to our healthcare problems...

Posted by: whtaylor1 | September 10, 2009 3:10 AM | Report abuse

whtaylor1,

Ummm just what, exactly, was Kristol's substantive point regarding the health care issue? That it's not an issue? He used dishonest means to put forward a talking point he used 15 years ago.

"If you can't win on the facts attack you opponents character."

What, like Swiftboating? Or Birthers? Or death panels? Or flag pins? Or Fascist? Or "cut and run"? Or "hate America"? Or "on the side of the terrorists"? Or "anti-Christian"? Or "baby killer"? Or "Hitler"? Like that?

That's all Republicans do. That and racism/fear. They have no other options because all of their policies are ineffective or end in disaster or both.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 3:31 AM | Report abuse

@1000PointsofFright

You may wish to read the fine print on your data more carefully. For example, the second to last group of data (the one at angrybear.blogspot.com) advises it is from Treasury data from 1950 to 2005. The problem is that the Democratic Party of 1960 is not the same as the Democratic Party in 2009. President Kennedy, for example, pushed for and got massive tax cuts for all income groups--and a huge boom followed.

Today's Democrats do not believe or act as Democrats did in JFK's time. They transformed during the 1970's to a radicalized, big-government party.

Also, the proper dichotomy is *not* Democrat versus Republican, anyway. Bush, as I said, spent like a drunken Democrat and Nixon applied wage and price control.

Meanwhile, Bill Clinton, once he was chastised by the voters in 1994, behaved very responsibly on economic matters and, along with the GOP Congress back then, deserved a lot of credit for exceptionally good conditions.

Party affiliation is not the point. The point is the policies implemented.

Sorry you wasted your time dredging inapposite information!

Posted by: SARileyMan | September 10, 2009 3:38 AM | Report abuse

SAR,

Sure, kid, sure.

Excuses excuses excuses...

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 3:43 AM | Report abuse

People like Kristol & Co are not bad for the USA only, they are bad for humanity as a whole. He reminds me of Skeletor.

Posted by: Zayed1 | September 10, 2009 3:45 AM | Report abuse

Kristol, I suppose contractually you have to say something once in a while. But this is just silliness. Better you should be taking your contard cohort to task for standing in the way of progress than sprinkling sour grape juice on my computer screen.

Posted by: NotNowMooky | September 10, 2009 3:53 AM | Report abuse

SAR,

"Treasury data from 1950 to 2005. The problem is that the Democratic Party of 1960 is not the same as the Democratic Party in 2009."

So a info gap of 4 years destroys any useful information? LOL

FAIL


"Today's Democrats do not believe or act as Democrats did in JFK's time. They transformed during the 1970's to a radicalized, big-government party."

On the contrary, if you can try to think rationally for a minute - let's review, shall we?

"Big Gov" -
Roosevelt - New Deal
Johnson - Great Society
Since the 60s - ....

FAIL

"Bush, as I said, spent like a drunken Democrat "
If that were true, the debt would be much, much less.

FAIL

Since conservatives and Republicans have become extremists (Nixon's health care plan was more liberal than either Obama's or Clinton's) Even Republicans used to realize the importance of education and environment and infrastructure investment. Until the extremists gained control under Reagan. I can see how you would assume that the Dems have become radical. Because you have. It is quite the opposite.

FAIL

"along with the GOP Congress back then" - Already accounted for Congressional control.

FAIL

"The point is the policies implemented."

Yeah, liberal ones work. Conservative policies fail.

Of course, when confronted with fact, you'll just say that Republicans weren't being conservative, right? Any excuse for you to keep being an ideological extremist, SAR. How do you maintain such disconnect? Don't you get headaches?

But, hey, you can continue to be rolled by the Republicans. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results...

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 4:00 AM | Report abuse


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Take another poll tomorrow Krystol Ball Boy.
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Posted by: ryan_heart | September 10, 2009 4:01 AM | Report abuse

Geez....it is SCARY and unreal reading most of these anti-Kristol comments. Where do all these sicko, ultra-leftist, Obama zombie clones come from? Like a room full of Olberman's! Krstol is right on....the health-care debate should be shelved....more urgent issues for the country and it's citizens then this crapola...crapola that the MAJORITY repeat, don't cry now...the MAJORITY of Americans don't want!

Posted by: montgomery1 | September 10, 2009 4:21 AM | Report abuse

BO's speech was long, full of smoke & mirrors, full of defiance, full of unsubstantiated comments and claims, accusatory in nature, failed to acknowledge the legitimate concerns of the American citizenry as noted in August...and it is a whopper...a big mac of a nothingburger...!!!

Posted by: montgomery1 | September 10, 2009 4:28 AM | Report abuse

So Mr. Kristol doesn't believe there is a health insurance or health care crisis? 18,000 Americans DIE each year because they could not afford health insurance, or it was taken from them because of a pre-exisiting condition or it was cancelled because they became ill. Every year 1 Million Americans file for bankruptcy because of medical expenses. And finally 30 million Americans are uninsured for a variety of reasons, including insurance companies refuse them coverage because they have a pre-exisiting condition. If this isn't a crisis, I would love to know how badly Americans have to suffer before Mr. Kristol will admit it is one.

Mr. Kristol, go back on "The Daily Show" so Jon can explain to you what defines a crisis. Then smile your pinched smile and try to explain how 18,000 American deaths a year is not a crisis.

Mark DeMazza

Posted by: FreedomFreedom | September 10, 2009 4:54 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol's next column will be about this lengthy military service.

What's that? Oh right...Mr. War Monger has never served one day in the military.

.

Posted by: PacNW | September 10, 2009 5:18 AM | Report abuse

I love the way Kristol got owned on the Daily Show, and forced to admit that the government can and does provide first class health care (by his own admission, the government provides first class health care to the military).

Posted by: PacNW | September 10, 2009 5:22 AM | Report abuse

Kristol has never been right about anything.

He is a pathetic joke.

Posted by: PacNW | September 10, 2009 5:23 AM | Report abuse

"There is no health care crisis"

Spoken like a man who has never wanted for medical care, and has no concerns about paying his health insurance premiums.

My premiums went up 6% last year, were supposed to go up that amount this year, but went up an additional 11% instead.

I have insurance through my employer; everyone on the plan had this increase. And we were given mandatory time off without pay to balance the budget for the fiscal year ending in June.

No raises this year, of course. Given the economy, I didn't expect one. But the net result is that my pay has gone down.

And I'm one of the lucky ones. I have a job and health insurance. But I pay a huge percentage of my wages for the "what if's" of health care. Because one major health care situation means bankruptcy. That's the situation most of us find ourselves in.

But not Mr. K., evidently.

It's unsustainable. It costs too much. There is no end in sight.

"No crisis". Oh, yes there is.

Posted by: SeattlePete | September 10, 2009 5:26 AM | Report abuse

Obama has his own crisis with Americans. Thus, the speech.

Mr. Kristol, criticizing Obama after one of his speeches is a risky move. His supporters want to enjoy it.

Posted by: AndreainNY | September 10, 2009 6:08 AM | Report abuse

According to the C.I.A. world factbook, the life expectancy of the average Canadian is a full three years longer than that of our American cousins. The U.S. ranks 50th ---one ahead of Albania. Spin that, Mr. Bill.

Posted by: mantisinvestigation | September 10, 2009 6:26 AM | Report abuse

Spoken like a true Republican. Blinded to and indeed, turning his back on, real problems faced by millions of hard working Americans.

Posted by: kathy71 | September 10, 2009 6:26 AM | Report abuse

As to the implied necessity for war with Iran: Mr. Kristol's war in Iraq drained us. Now we are supposed to cancel our medical appointments so he can drain us some more? Pass me some garlic and a crucifix.

Posted by: archer070 | September 10, 2009 6:39 AM | Report abuse

The last times anyone listened to advice from Bill Kristol we got the Iraq War (hey, what a stunning success that was, right?) and then what? Oh, Sarah Palin! Kristol thought and probably thinks Sarah "Death Squad" Palin would elevate political discourse in our nation. Yeah sure, you betcha THAT worked out great, didn't it?

I would argue that at this point, given his track record of chronic delusional behavior, anything Kristol thinks is a good idea... probably isn't. Health care is one-sixth of our economy? What does that mean? That it is "too big to fail?" Wonderful. At one point a speculative market in tulips became the most vibrant economic engine in the Dutch economy. Did that mean any part of it made sense? No, and arguably the United State's Ponzi health care market has no more logical basis to it. But different from the Tulip Mania in Holland, in our current crisis real people bleed real blood. Bill Kristol apparently has no idea that anything is wrong. Apparently things are going pretty well in the neoconservative tower he dwells in. Good for him, I'm glad there is no health care crisis in his secluded bastion, but out here in the real world? Things are not so rosy.

Posted by: Soloist1 | September 10, 2009 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Everyone knows Kristol loves his country, but no one can figure out why he doesn't live there.

Posted by: misterjrthed | September 10, 2009 7:25 AM | Report abuse

I second the comment about the growth of health-care being a cancer. It's eating us alive and it should have been treated decades ago. No, it won't kill us tomorrow, but it's getting worse all the time.

Posted by: hayesap8 | September 10, 2009 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Typical response of a pube - distract from the issue at hand. Thanks for confirming your position is indefensible.

Posted by: washpost18 | September 10, 2009 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Bill, you should have turned in early last night and got some much needed rest. You're so predictable! By "start over" you mean kill it right Billy boy. Not in your wildest dreams you demagogue.

Posted by: Anthony14 | September 10, 2009 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Excellent article Mr. Kristol.

As you quite clearly explain, this is not about a crisis in health care...this is about a crisis in obama's popularity and his understandable demise from ubber-god to "simply" the POTUS. We have real issues to worry about, like UNEMPLOYMENT, AFGHANISTAN, IRAQ, NUCLEAR IRAN, N. KOREA, TRILLIONS IN DEFICIT, and ISLAMOFASCIST TERRORISTS....but no, let's "fix" healthcare....what an ego this fellow has.

Posted by: Reggy | September 10, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

So, according to Bill, we should do nothing at this time and wait until it becomes a crisis. And what is the definition of crisis. What percent of Americans should be without health insurance before it becomes a crisis? Who would decide that the crisis has occurred so let's act? Smart people act before the crisis occurs. Remember how efficient was Bush administration that waited Katrina to destroy a city and then decided on the actions. That's what you want, Bill? A health care Katrina?

Posted by: achalgarg | September 10, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Where are our priorities? It is amazing that the wealthiest nation on earth is prepared to spend undisclosed billions killing people in faraway lands but is unwilling or unable to provide basic health care to millions of its own people.

Posted by: robfield | September 10, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

I am happy you clarified the lack of urgency with regard to Healthcare Reform, it is the biggest piece of made up tripe I may have ever witnessed.
The government should fund healthcare for people who don't have have it and leave the rest of us alone
May I also add, GO JOE!!! His outburst was ill-timed, but it was honest.

Posted by: tponcary | September 10, 2009 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Reggy,

"As you quite clearly explain..."

And how did he clearly explain anything, Reg?

"As you quite clearly explain..."

What were the facts used to explain his position?

"As you quite clearly explain..."

Did Kristol use any evidence to prove that there isn't a health care crisis?

"As you quite clearly explain..."

Any statistics on the number of uninsured or how the cost of premiums have ballooned past the rate of inflation?

"As you quite clearly explain..."

Would you have written the same thing if Kristol had just posted "ckjhangjkhmaloivml;ergmjl Obama's a jerk"?

"As you quite clearly explain..."

What was explained, Reggy?

"Excellent article Mr. Kristol."

Really? And what did you learn?

I'll tell you what your comment showed me - ideology blinds conservatives even to the most basic of fact and objective thought. In reality, this "article" gave no facts other than a poll result which did not prove his point and a pathetic attempt to twist Obama's words to mean something they clearly did not.

You praised an "article" that provided nothing but opinion as being a clear explanation of...something. Kristol used a talking point from 16 years ago and you ate it up without any independent thought whatsoever.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

The republic option... Sarah Painin.

Posted by: whocares666 | September 10, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

tponcary,

"I am happy you clarified the lack of urgency..."

Reggy is that you?

What facts did Kristol use tponcary?

Are you always given your meals by spoon?

Sit. Roll over.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

kristol really wants to talk about the Iraq disaster that he andhis bretheren started, fo no reason, and which has cost multiple times what it would cost to provide health care to everyone in the nation? Really?

Posted by: John1263 | September 10, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Poor Billy. Even stupider as the days go by.

Posted by: ccdc20009 | September 10, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

kristol likes a EAL crisis -- you know, like those WMD saddam was getting ready to give to his close friends in qaeda and send over to the US on unmanned drones...........real crisis like yellow cake from nigeria...............

Posted by: John1263 | September 10, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Of course health care isn't a crisis Mr. Kristol, not for you!! If most Americans could have a job like yours, preaching hate and vitriol and getting paid millions to do it, than it wouldn't be a crisis for them either. Here is the thing though about that, only a small percent of a small percent of Americans would ever consider stooping that low. Not a problem for a good comrade neo-con like yourself, you fit the mold. Self righteous, from a pedigreed family of fortune, no form of public service in your history, no military, no peace corp, no volunteering for anything... except to tear down all that is decent and good in our country. Shame on you Mr. Kristol!!!! Shame!!

Karma is a wonderful thing, and a very efficient thing as well. You sir will discover just how efficient and how dire it will deliver it's lesson to you. Some day you will not have the highly shined shoes ( shined by someone else you under pay and verbally abuse), your collar won't be starched and your pompous stomach will be empty. Don't be a hypocrite when this happens and beg for food and money in the street, like those you condemn for doing this. Yes, as a Christian you surely must know that there is a terrible place void of peace and love waiting for you, you are a bad man and a worse Christian.

If you see me on the street you better run buddy, I got a big bone to pick with you. Oh I forgot you've had a driver so long you don't know how to run anymore, you fat little piggy. You are lower than Whale Poop Mr. Kristol and that is at the bottom of the ocean.

My name is Paul B La Bonte and I approved this message.

In an insane world a sane man merely looks insane!!

Posted by: cosmicbuffalo | September 10, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Spot on Review Mr. Kristol.

It was a funny speach....really....I laughed. We will improve quality. Cover more. AND IT WILL COST LESS!

What universe does this clown and his supporters live in? I wonder if they can see the real world from there?

HE LIES were the only true words spoke. I cant wait to see obama and his group fail. I cant wait till he stops lying....in fact i wish he would just stop talking. Luckily most Americans see what he is now.

If anyone in Chicago is looking for their village idiot, tell them i saw him on TV last night talking to congress....please come pick him up.

Posted by: keydet841 | September 10, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

There is no health care crisis?

Please come on rounds at the dialysis center with me. This morning I saw a 44 y/o woman only wage earner for her family (a day care worker)who lost her kidney function because she couldn't afford her medicines or office visits. She now has insurance throough medicare because she is on dialysis (Cost to the US taxpayers>$70,000 dollars a year). I also saw a 41 year old construction worker: no insurance, no meds, high blood pressure, no kidneys, dialysis. And these are the luck ones who didn't have a massive stroke, like the 38 y/o mother of two with the feeding tube because she can't swollow. Or the ones I am not seeing today, because they died.

There is a crisis. Peolple are dying. Families are loosing wage earners. And when they don't die we end up picking up the bill in Medicare and Medicaid. These are the facts of my life.

Obviously what you see depends on where you practice. Of my 26 colleagues in my practice, there are now no Republicans.

Posted by: hfranch | September 10, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Clearly the world includes a number of ideologues like Bill Kristol who fantasize that they have been chosen to solve the world's problems and recreate the whole world in their image. Fortunately, the President understand's that his job includes doing the American people's business. The fact that Bill Kristol can't understand the importance of health care is a good indication of just how far his mind is detached from reality.

Posted by: dnjake | September 10, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

The sleazy lies of Bill Kristol are an excellent example of why conservatism is dying. He probably thinks himself something of a Buckley. The truth is that he just comes off as the used car salesman of conservatism.

Posted by: mbmclaughlin | September 10, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

It must be in the liberal genepool to be so defensive and thin-skinned when one of their own is placed under a microscope and examined closely. The lights pretty bright when it's held in someone else's hand, isn't it!?! This administration thrives on "crisis management", even when one doesn't exist. Using the excuse of a looming "crisis" is right out of the democratic playbook and is this administration's signature move. "Never let a good crisis go to waste" I believe was the matra when the economic stimulus was being pushed through like some sort of emergency civil defense project. Mr. Krystal correctly called a spade a spade, and the current health care bill being fronted by Obama is surely a "shovel ready" project, ready to be buried like the garbage it really is.

Posted by: parksp1 | September 10, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

To Alarico,

What a small, sick and twisted person you must be. Because Kristol has a different view from you on an issue you wish him to die. People like you are what is wrong with our country now. How would you like it if people who disagreed with you hoped that you and your family die. Go find a hole to crawl in and hopefully never come out.

Posted by: RW24 | September 10, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Everyone knows Kristol loves his country, but no one can figure out why he doesn't live there.

Posted by: misterjrthed

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Maybe because Israel, like most civilized countries, has universal health care.

Posted by: WhatHeSaid | September 10, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Little Bill. I hope your Daddy's money and contacts have you fixed up for life. And, I sure hope your insurance company doesn't wake up one day and cut you off.

Posted by: rusty3 | September 10, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

"Spot on Review Mr. Kristol."

Do conservatives consider this Kristol emission an in depth analysis of a Presidential speech? Seriously, is this what passes for intelligent discourse in republiklan world?

No wonder people bought the Iraq lies from this assistant war criminal.

Orly Taitz must be a freakin' genius in con world. I completely understand the Palin admiration (nice try, Kristol) and 6000 year old earth now. Wow. Ain't nothin' noble about that lie.

Kristol, you are even less talented then I thought. Still just as shameless and pathetic, however. You would run into more difficulty recommending tax cuts to Grover Norquist then getting a talking point to stick with the crowd you work with.

Knew you'd be a small fish in any other pond, didn't you?

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Who cares about what Kristol says? He's a Neo-con, and like his fellow cultists, he has been wrong on everything for at least a decade.

Posted by: Gatsby10 | September 10, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol, would a health crisis of your own (say, a cancer diagnosis) followed by "rescission" by your insurance company cause you to rethink your position? Let's hope this doesn't happen to you, even though tens of thousands of your fellow citizens lose their insurance coverage daily for reasons like this.

Or maybe a personal crisis would wipe that self-satisfied smirk off your face, since you've already stated that your agenda is to "go for the kill" on health care
reform. Don't pretend that "starting over" has any interest for you.

Posted by: cheesemanforever | September 10, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

"Using the excuse of a looming "crisis" is right out of the democratic playbook and is this administration's signature move."

LOL

Eight months of Obama and he gets a "signature move".

The disconnect required to attribute this kind of behavior to Democrats after eight years of terror threats and mushroom clouds and bankrupt Social Security and bin Laden tapes and "necessary" torture and "necessary" spying and a million other things that were in no way threats is one of the worst cases of projection by someone other than a con leader I've seen. Congrats.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Bill is right about starting over.

We need to start over with Single-Payer and tell the HMO's to go where the sun don't shine.

The Medical Loss Ration of HMOs is a pathetic 81 percent, meaning for every dollar they take in only 81 cents goes to providing healthcare.

Cooperative plans like the one at the Mayo Clinic have a more respectable 91 percent MLR, and they are also running their clinics.

Then you have Medicare, the VA and other gov't medical programs. Their MLR is 97 percent, meaning for every healthcare dollar we pay, 97 cents goes to benefits.

Then there is the forgotten cost to our economy by having a bloated, greed-driven health care delivery system.

The U.S. spends 17 cents of every dollar created and spent in America on healthcare, compared to the 10 percent spent by other industrialized countries. Both their people and their economies are healthier because they don't waste the nearly half of the health care dollar the U.S. does and everyone of their citizens is covered. That capital can be used in other sectors of their economies.

So, Kristol is right, but for the wrong reasons.

Posted by: EndTheSpin | September 10, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

EndTheSpin,

"start over with Single-Payer and tell the HMO's to go where the sun don't shine."

Yes. Start over and end with.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

"when facts and reason are thrown overboard and only timidity passes for wisdom, and we can no longer even engage in a civil conversation with each other over the things that truly matter - that at that point we don't merely lose our capacity to solve big challenges. We lose something essential about ourselves."

Kristol - you are dishonest.

Posted by: abiyu | September 10, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

William, are you still here?

Posted by: jckdoors | September 10, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

It's easy to see why President Obama is running the economy into the ground. His grasp of how businesses work, is a little tenuous at best. From last night:

"But by avoiding some of the overhead that gets eaten up at private companies by profits, excessive administrative costs and executive salaries, it could provide a good deal for consumers."

The Prophet's a little confused about profits.

Posted by: Dickens615 | September 10, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

How ingenious, Shecky. The President didn't invite himself in your living room, you watched voluntarily so you could make some bucks the next day bashing him and, to top it off, your employer gives you health insurance so it's no crisis to you.

How's your old boss Dan Quayle? Can he spell "potato" yet?

Posted by: coloradodog | September 10, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

The problem with Kristol is that he lies on purpose and with the full knowledge that most of what he says is inflammatory rhetoric with little or no basis in fact. In all of his inane diatribes he has yet to offer even one useful or positive suggestion on any subject whatsoever. Kristol is an obstructionist, nothing more, which is why John Stewert like to interview him - so people can see firsthand, a liar and fabricator at work.

Posted by: Byrd3 | September 10, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Bravo and kudos to Mr. Kristol. I feel compelled to respond to the myriad of mudslinging name calling individuals who oppose his point of view. Nearly everyone who responded uses the typical liberal responses to a reasoned argument, "you work for fox news", "you are dishonest", "Bush is war criminal" etc. etc.

The fact is I am surprised Obama could deliver that speech with a straight face. If he had his way, he would have shoved that bill that even HE didn't understand down our throats this past summer. Who in his right mind would think that the government could do things like guarantee full heatlh care for every one and at the same time provide excellent care and avoid some forms of rationing. That in itself is ludicrous. But doing it WITHOUT increasing deficits and DECREASING the cost of health care in America?? Anyone been to the DMV or dealt with IRS recently?

This debate and reform of health care needs to be tackled in careful, measured steps to preserve what is good about our current system without bankrupting our country and destroying our economy and our way of life. This should NOT be pushed through at a breakneck pace in an aggressive partisan move that destroys the best health care system in the world. Yes there are problems that should dealt with, but not in this ridiculous fashion.

Posted by: jesim1 | September 10, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

William- I disagreed with your father, but he was brilliant. He was a philosopher, an intellectual, and appealed to the best in us when engaging in a debate. You are a nothing pundit who spews propoganda and ignorance. The apple fell very far from the tree, I'm sure your father would be ashamed of you.

Posted by: wolfamily | September 10, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Well, Obama had nothing new to say last night that he hasn't said all during the month of August. And, he made it clear that he has no regard for what the American people want. Reason being is that if he gets his health care bill past like he wants it then it will give him more control over our daily lives. I don't believe that all the people that voted for this clown knew just what they were voting for. It is going to be up to the people to regain our country back and we will have to be united! Obama has just one goal in mind and that is to become our dictator! He has shredded the Constitution and has made rulings that are so for out that the Constitution has even got disgusted.

To show you how far left he is, his new regulatory Czar wants animals to have lawyers so they can sue their owners if they get mistreated. Now have you ever heard of any kind of crap like this before? And, Obama goes along with it! We are in trouble!!

Posted by: wayne16 | September 10, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

"a reasoned argument"

LOL

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

The president certainly seemed agitated last night, maybe he should cut down on the number of nicotine patches he wears concurrently.

I'll say this for Obama, he has no qualms about telling bigger and even more outrageous lies, one right after another. This new and improved Hope and Change 2.0, does everything the old Hope and Change did, only "betterer", "fasterer", and with more "qualityerer." It's science, just ask Al Gore.

Posted by: Dickens615 | September 10, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Bill,

To quote a suddenly (in)famous Republican, "You lie!"

Posted by: SilverSpring8 | September 10, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

"he has no qualms about telling bigger and even more outrageous lies, one right after another"

What, like "mushroom cloud"?

Pathetic.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Health Care IS a crisis. You are SO wrong. I work FULL TIME for a multi billion dollar company in NYC. They've laid off several of my co workers. There are less employees and yet they have stopped paying full medical. My group medical insurance is two weeks salary every quarter!! It is killing me financially. My company will pay more into health insurance if I work more hours and so I grab all the overtime I can...but it is still a fortune for me to pay for my medical and I am exhausted since I already work full time.
My friend was having hip surgery in Japan and stayed two months until she could walk out of the hospital CURED. National Health coverage.!!
We should PLEASE support the President (Havard Graduate...Wise Man) What is wrong with people out there????? Shame on Joe Wilson.

Posted by: dreamofjeanie24 | September 10, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

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Dear Mr. Kristol,

You are a remarkable truth teller. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if you claim that bombing Iran would fix health care problems at home here.


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Posted by: rajpol | September 10, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

The disconnect required to be a conservative is absolutely astounding. What a small and terror filled world they inhabit.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

"So there is no health care crisis" -- not to you. But others do care about the many Americans dying or being ruined because of their inability to afford health care costs.

Your shallowness and indifference to the suffering of others are truly shameful, as well as painful to read. It is impossible to understand what value Mr. Hiatt believes you bring to these pages.

Posted by: sembtex | September 10, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I wonder how big the tingle in Chris Matthews' leg was after last night?

"Oh, that Joe Wilson's a naughty boy."

"Tell me again, oh Supreme Leader, how much money are we going to save after giving illegals free health insurance, a new car, and season tickets to the Redskins?"

"Well, Chris, it's that new math that I've come up with. After we give 95% of the people a tax break, we'll raise taxes on the other 95%, the oppressor class, and that'll free up the last 95% to do God's, er, I mean, the President's work. I'll have the Department of Re-Education send you over a lesson plan on how you too can help the President."

"Praise be the President." (But only as long as I'm president.)

Posted by: Dickens615 | September 10, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Health care may not be a crisis for Mr. Kristol, but it is for me. Once my COBRA subsidy runs out in December, my wife's and my health insurance cost will be more than all our other bills added together.

We're both unemployed and living on drips and drops of freelance work. Sure, one of us could get a job -- except there are no jobs for us, a statement I make because between the two of us we have applied for over 200 jobs, and because a local Outback Steak House recently had 1050 applicants for 65 openings. (None of which, I might add, offered health insurance.)

Posted by: roblimo | September 10, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Repubs have no sensible arguments to the healthcare proposal. All they can do is yell "liar" and hope that is good enough.

Posted by: LifeBeforePrinciple | September 10, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson speaks "Truth to Power."

"Obama lied," Joe Wilson cried.

Posted by: Dickens615 | September 10, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I like my current healthcare. It's perfectly fine. No complaints.

Let the government fix Medicare. If they can do that, then maybe they'd get more support to do other things.

Posted by: JeffDavid | September 10, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Kristol,

You were wrong about Iraq, wrong about Palin and wrong about everything else.

So shut up and go away.

Really.

Posted by: Heerman532 | September 10, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I guess if you're not good enough for the Times, you're great for the Post.

Kristol is a hack and a liar. Giving him space to spew his nonsense is an admission the Post is uninterested in the truth.

Torture support and William Kristol -- you can get all your uncivilized crap in one place with the Post.

Posted by: jjhare | September 10, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

This seems like the usual idiotic drivel from Bill Kristol. Hey Billy, how'd that Sarah Palin thing work out for you?

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | September 10, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

If your suggestion to start over is valid then lets really start over with universal health coverage. Why? first reason Cost would be lower. How? Law of Large Numbers. If you look at group insurance you will note that the larger the group the lower the cost. Large Corporations Self Insure. Why because they know that claims have a greater predictability with a larger group. The credibility of the numbers is greater with a larger group. Therefore Universal Health Coverage the largest possible group weill bring the lowest cost for all. Second reason paper work for Doctors without insurance companies looking for reasons to not make payments. The examples of this are many. Third. A healther population will be more productive . Many people work at a job just to get health coverage. If they can work at something they truly care about they will be more porductive. Finally Medical Malpractice benefits a few and raises the overhead for Doctors. Let Doctors be judged by their peers and if harm is done Cap liability at a reasonable amount so that all are not paying for the few.

Posted by: bobrjb | September 10, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Hey Bill,

Now would be a good time to test those 'Death Panels' that we're getting under ObamaCare. Let's start with the 'Public Option,' so called.

"Sorry Mr. Option, but it'll cheaper for the rest of us if you just go away. Sign here, please."

(bada-bing)

Posted by: Dickens615 | September 10, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

The Joe Wilsons of this world, smug as they are, are working with a partisan, mob mentality, or they are lost to the opposition party's fraternity highjinks of enjoying a grid-lock rather than any substantive improvement on healthcare. I propose that we threaten to take away the free health insurance of every member of Congress, starting immediately, unless all Americans can have what they have, and then let's see just how long they take to come up with a bill for ALL OF US AS GOOD AS THEIR COVEARAGE!!!!!!

Posted by: jbarish313 | September 10, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Let's see Kristol, My wife and I pay around $25,000 for insurance and meds each year, and that's before our $10,000 deductible if we get hurt. What the heck, having to make $12 an hour just to cover our insurance is certainly a crisis for us.

Posted by: Keith3 | September 10, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Does Kristol believe what he wrote? One has to at least admire his loyalty, even if that loyalty is wasted clinging to a cynical and bankrupt ideology.

But to make him defend this ideology in public - we cringe as we watch the contortions he goes through.

The poor man. It's as if he has chosen, for some reason known only to himself, to soil himself every day - in public.

Posted by: slowroller | September 10, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I did not realize that you do not understand English. Obama did not say that healthcare in this country is not a crisis. He said that he is not interested in ONLY CLEANING UP THE MESS or papering over the problem. That does not mean that there is no crisis. As for wars, you neocons put this country in this mess; the sooner we end this madness, the sooner we can find the money to provide free healthcare to everyone and have some change left over.

Why don't you just VANISH?

Posted by: sonnypitchumani | September 10, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Scrape everything & start from scratch...really !! As if there are so many new items to bring to the table or so many other new ways to look at this. Hasn't every opinion and/or option been put out there already? What plan has GOP ever put on the table other than "NO" & trying to delay. Scraping & starting from scratch is just another "NO" & another delay.

A crisis that didn't exist was all those WMD in Iraq.

Posted by: maribethevans | September 10, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"There is no health care crisis"?.. Additional evidence that Kristol and his neo-con buddies inhabit an alternative universe? Not really, it's much simpler.
They love money, their rich, and they don't give a crap about the rest of us!

Posted by: BBear1 | September 10, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Good God Mr. Kristol you are an idiot. "[D]oing no harm is far preferable to doing real damage to a good health care system," eh? Well, since our system is not "good," so it should be no problem to avoid the dilemma you envision.

The research community has taken measures which show that, in reality (as opposed to the fantasy land of "we have the best healthcare system in the world") we spend way too much for health outcomes that are mediocre at best. And I work in the Health Outcomes Research section of a major academic/clinical hospital, so don't try to play me with bs data either, the picture is clear: other westernized countries spend less and still have safer births, safer hospitals, less adverse events, less post-op infections, and longer life spans.

Bu even beyond this data there is another concern: access. As you point out, unemployment is rising rapidly. So even the people who are lucky enough to still have jobs that provide health insurance have to be concerned that they will lose that job and thus their health insurance and thus access to healthcare.

Everyone should be able to receive medical care, even if they can't afford it. That is more important than guns, or planes, or shooting Taliban members, or agricultural commodity subsidies, or bailing out AIG and investment banks. So the next time someone talks about making this whole reform "budget neutral" remember that we could have funded this with a drop in the Afghan war bucket or the Iraq occupation bucket, or a couple doze planes and boats, and think: is it more important that you should still be able to see a doctor if you lose your job, or for us to be shooting ad bombing people on the other side of the world?

Posted by: prague_one | September 10, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Bill Kristol must be the only person on the planet who feels that "There is no health care crisis, and doing no harm is far preferable to doing real damage to a good health care system." As Barney Frank might ask: Bill what planet do you live on?

Posted by: danigo | September 10, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

More (Neocon) lies, damned lies, and statistics from the guy who is never right yet is never accountable. What Kristol really says here is: "My friends and I have great health insurance, so all is just right within the commonwealth. All else is take-no-prisoners politics."

Posted by: tdisante | September 10, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Both Mr. Kristol and Mr. Gerson have both taken the "there is no crisis" line. This would seem to be conistent with the David Brock thesis that the right coordinates its message through a variety of outlets. The fact that they could take this astonishing let - them - eat - cake line of argument in the face of the death and financial destruction being wrecked by the current system is in part a reflection of the fact that they both exist within an entirely secure cocoon system of right-wing patronage. They don't understand the economic insecurity of the current broken health care system because they and the people around them have never experienced it. To them it really isn't a crisis but even the Republican members who had people telling to them that Obama's plan was a socialist plot were also told loud and clear that the current system was broken and not fixing it was not an option. The right and Repbulicans, theatrical document waving aside, are stuck because the public really does want something to done and the Conseravtive movement has nothing to offer except more of the same.

Posted by: DavidWilliamson1 | September 10, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I'm disappointed in this article. I think your analysis is skewed and subjective here. I have heard you in the past as one of the few, sensible, Republican voices and this does not live up to that record.

The truth is more important than winning.

Regards, Jonathan.

Posted by: jdean65 | September 10, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Kristol:
"So there is no health care crisis."

But of course there were WMD's in Iraq.

Posted by: maxfli68 | September 10, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I read Bill Kristol, but I seldom learn anything from Bill Kristol. Take today - a two-part column. The first part is a silly, sophomoric logic game applied to the President's speech to "prove" that there is no health care crisis. The second part quotes from a poll that asks a generic question about "health care reform plans being considered by Congress" without providing any context for the "reforms." So? Honestly, why do I bother.

Posted by: Groverge | September 10, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

If there is indeed $500 billion of waste, fraud, and abuse in medicare, shouldn't we address that regardless of health care reform?

I think we need health care reform, but that we should 'start again from scratch', addressing excessive health care costs FIRST, instead of last.

Doctor pay, legal costs, pharmaceutical profits, and administrative costs should all be addressed. There's a reason our health care costs twice as much as other developed nations, and we need to figure out why.

Obama's speech sounded good. His mention of doing a study on tort reform was a nice touch.

We need more than nice speeches. We need somebody in congress working for us to address health care costs, not a congress that is overly mindful of health care lobbyist concerns as they write legislation.

If you remove the excess profits from the health care industry, we'll actually be able to afford health care.

Posted by: postfan1 | September 10, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

It's obvious that as a neo-con, Kristol's ultimate goal is to get rid of all government programs (Medicare, Social Security). People like him who have good health coverage and state that there is no health care crisis, are totally ignorant to what's going on in this country. I suppose Kristol also supported Bush's plan to invest our social security money in the stock market? Doesn't he ever get tired of being on the wrong side of a issue?

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | September 10, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol,

How much do you have to pay the Post to have this drivel published?

Perhaps you are not aware - you have been marginalized for a long time.

Jeez!

Posted by: RG-Texas | September 10, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Although I have never agreed with socialized or government controlled health care (consider care and cost messes of Medicare, Medicaid, VA etc), I do agree that we need reform. And I liked what Mr. Obama had to say last evening, attempting to move towards the middle (finally). However, I am concerned with the cost . . . he never said where the money is coming from - which in my mind means higher taxes.

We pay taxes on what we earn and on what we spend. And even in a recession, States are increasing taxes in abundance. Many of us are tired of paying for those who don't like to work, or those who continue to 'take' anything free from all of us who continue work hard.

I know from personal experience that there really is a health care crisis! The cost of insurance is incredibly high - more than 17% of my income goes to insurance. Then there is the 'eroneous' way insurance companies increase the charges or eliminate some of us due to pre-existing conditions. I think their greed is creating the problem - and if they won't fix the problem - someone else needs to.

I think that Mr. Obama's so-called transparent administration needs to give us real/true information so that all of us on both sides of the issue can discuss this and other issues like adults. Restrained and honest communication can build a health care bill that would benefit all of us, rather then Party and re-election concerns ruling and pushing this very important issue through post-haste! One reason we have extreme media and polorizing views is because we have Party controlled issues, agendas, and policies.

Lets put aside our fears and use our heads. I do NOT want to be force fed by the media or the politicians!

Say I heard that Canada has reformed their system and that it works really well now!

Posted by: kcase1 | September 10, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol,

How much do you have to pay the Post to have this drivel published?

Perhaps you are not aware - you have been marginalized for a long time.

Jeez!

Posted by: RG-Texas | September 10, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Both Obama and the mainstream media are being used as puppets. They just say what they are told to say so as not to bear any repercussions from the trilateral commission. They can't dig up any dirt on Glenn Beck because he uses a person's own words to defeat them. As in the case of Van Jones, he himself said that Republicans were ass holes, and that white people were poisoning immigrants in the fields. And he said that he was a communist and a radical. Now all you Obama Slobbers will not find anything wrong with this but, Americans find this to be very troublesome that the president of the United States would have a communist telling him what he should do. I find this extremely bothersome. Now, lets take a look at the new regulatory Czar, he believes that animals should have attorneys so they can sue their masters, does not believe in eating meat and will make it nearly impossible to get and wants to ban hunting. Doesn't it bother you that these are the type of people that are advising the president?

Here is something that is interesting concerning Obama and the trilateral commission, check out these two videos:

http://dixieup.com/560/men-obama-part-1/
http://dixieup.com/555/men-obama-part-2/

This will tell the tell!

Posted by: wayne16 | September 10, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

There is no health care crisis. And Bear Stearns is in great shape. And GM has never been better. And Americans who lose their jobs are just a bunch of whiners. And the check is in the mail. And you'll respect me in the morning. And the Easter Bunny is going to come along and make everything ok. Whatever you're smoking, Mr. Kristol, is it covered by your health insurance?

Posted by: n_mcguire | September 10, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

At ER 150 to 200 patients showup to be taken care of my one doctor at night. Those that get tired waiting go home to die rather than at the hospital. Yet Obama reform has nothing to do with health care but is insurance. And since both insured and not insured are waiting at the ER what has Obama solved. Well Obama concern is politics not health care. We will always have politics but in this case it is killing people. Reform yes! But what kind of reform?

Posted by: artg | September 10, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I left the Dem Party (to be Independent) last year, because I noticed that it's ugly and deceptive tactics had lowered itself to the level of the right wing smear machine that they constantly rail against. It is sad confirmation reading the comments here by so-called "tolerant liberals" to any other point of view. Anyone who disagrees is either racist, ignorant, Nazi, or whatever condescending and vicious insult they can conjure up. Congratulations: you have become your own enemy.

Posted by: franf1 | September 10, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

The obama trolls are out in full force in this comment section. How much does George Soros pay you? Or, are you all on the government payroll. Acorn, perhaps. So the talking points are "Health care crisis". Got it. Now absorb this: THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS CAUSED ANY CRISIS THAT MAY CURRENTLY EXIST IN HEALTH CARE. Got that? Get the Government, in any form, out of my life.

Posted by: copelands5 | September 10, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Dear Mr Kristol,

This is to formally notify you that your share of the 2 trillion bill for the Iraq war has been sent to a collection agency due to your non payment.

Posted by: rkerg | September 10, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Judging by the comments here, and knowing the liberal slant of WAPO and its readers, it doesn't surprise me that this comment board reads like the parking lot of a mental hospital where the patients have been let out prematurely.

DEATH PANELS!

Posted by: ReaganTMan1 | September 10, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Why do you print anything from a discredited guy like Kristol. He was in your paper telling us that Saddam had WMD and Bush would transform the middle east to a group of pro-US democracies by invading Iraq. He was one of the mushroom cloud in New York set. He doesn't know much about anything. He is just a tool of the upper class elites that control the Republican party and national press outlets. You print his pieces because you feel you have to give more than equal time to upper class elitism to compete with Fox News.

Posted by: jdrice | September 10, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Oh, Billo, starting over accomplishes two things:
1) Glosses over the FACT that your precious republican party has done NOTHING, NOTHING for health reform in over 40 years, and

2) republicans have no plan AT ALL or any ideas other than more tax cuts which DIED earlier this year.

So net, net - you got NOTHING...feels about right for a NIT player who can't it make to the show.....

Posted by: rbaldwin2 | September 10, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Of course. The same old same old.
The republicans had a chance to do something about our immoral health care system when they were in the majority, but instead they jammed through tax cuts for the rich which was not paid for. They are a waste of time.

Posted by: children1 | September 10, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Kristol has the blood of a million Iraqi civilians on his hands. Why anyone would listen to him on any subject is a mystery to me.

Fred Hiatt, time for you to clear out of town. NOW.

Posted by: B2O2 | September 10, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey little Billy, Just checking in to see how ignorant, lost, stupid or cold you could be toward a Real Human Being!
The insurance companies must be paying you quite well in order for you to consider embarrassing yourself this much!! Can you still feel the puppet strings or are they now ingrained in your psyche?
Maybe there really is no hope for you and others with attitudes similar to yours. This issue is about people not profit, try saying that over and over and maybe it will sink into that cold grubbing little thing you call a heart. Start by realizing just how sick and selfish you are being toward those less fortunate. Yes I know some will benefit who did not earn their share of help but when is anything that man attempts to better been done perfectly? Let it go Bill, try to be part of the solution of better health for ALL not just those with enough money. Ever heard of backward tribalism? You have a really bad case.
Brian Jones
Whitefish,MT

Posted by: saabstealth | September 10, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

If you have no insurance, cannot get it, and are having serius medical problems, then it is a crisis. If you had to declare bankruptcy because of medical bills, it is a crisis. Mr Kristol, remember, you are but a step away from a crisis that you apparently think will only happen to other people. If cancer strikes tomorrow, and you have to face the run-a-round that insurance companies give you in order to get a life saving chemo, then maybe you will admit that, for many, it is a crisis.

Posted by: gss49 | September 10, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: SamBezos | September 10, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Three D's from the GOP and hacks like Kristol:

Delay

Deny

Debase

Posted by: kcbob | September 10, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Such a typical Republican response these days...notice he offers no solutions at all, or even a definition of what 'start over' even means. All he says is 'Obama's wrong' and then makes up some statistics to support that fact.

Here's an idea: Have a point. Make an offer. Come up with something smart to say, or just shut up and go away.

Posted by: whodeykm | September 10, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

When Mr. and Mrs. Kristol lookd down at little Bill the best option would have been to start over. The GOP echo chamber glee club of Gerson, Kristol, Kagan, Krauthammer can't sing any song but the same tired tunes.

"What is conservatism? Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried?" Abraham Lincoln Source: February 27, 1860 - Cooper Union Add

Posted by: jpenergy | September 10, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

While Kristol offered no solution, the President offered no specifics on how his plan would be funded. Given the support from these posters one can assume they will have no issue with paying 47% of their income in taxes to pay for it - ala Canada?

Posted by: CubsFan | September 10, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Kristol, as usual, nails it! SO many ways he is, once again, dead on:

**The public wants to start over. Never mind that pesky majority that voted for Obama or that health care reform was a major part of his platform. These people aren't "the public" . . . at least, not the real public. After all, how can their opinions matter when they don't agree with Kristol.

**Obama is doing this for political reasons only. Of course this is true . . . why would he waste his energies doing something that actually tries to improve the quality of life in America? Clearly, that would go against what Obama stands for.

**There is no health care crisis. How could 46 million people without insurance be a crisis? I mean, yes, that is the 8th year in a row the number of uninsured has increased, but c'mon, we got 300 million people! And the fact that health care costs are increasing 4 or 5 times faster than inflation doesn't affect those uninsured anyway, because mostly they don't have jobs. Probably because they're lazy.

**Because there is no crisis, the President should not take action. Everyone knows that the best way to manage anything, from a little league team to a corporation to a country, is to only address an issue after it has spiraled out of control and requires drastic action. Even if the health care situation is heading that way, we're not there yet . . . so just sit back and wait until it becomes a completely catastrophic and unmanageable problem before taking action.

Thanks, Billy, for so wisely setting the record straight once again!

Posted by: tomguy1 | September 10, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans just don't change. They do not care about American citizens they only care about fattening the wallets of their big business buddies from defense to health care. They have been trying to derail anything anyone else does ever since Nixon dispatched the Cubans for the break in to Watergate. They love starting wars, they love threatening to kill bills or kill people and they hate paying taxes or doing anything that might help the general populace. Even when they lose elections they feel as though we should have a one party country, their party! Joe Wilson is the face of the GOP disrespectful and morally bankrupt. They had no problem sending our men and women into Iraq for no good reason, they had no problem running the deficit into the trillions for that war. They claim to be patriots, I say they're traitors every last one of them. For once they should work with those they oppose instead of having temper tantrums likes kids on a playground who don't get their way. The health and welfare of our nation seems to mean nothing at all to conservatives war, destruction and killing is all they know. I'm surprised Wilson wasn't packing heat. Is the GOP ever going to show the American people that they care about somebody other than the richest and stop pandering to their religious right(eous) base? Stop with ACORN it's a nonissue, be realistic how about Halliburton and Blackwater, lying to the American public to get into the Iraq war? Literally conservatives seem to have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

Posted by: davidbronx | September 10, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Wow SamBezos, you sure have a lot of time on your hands. As if someone were... paying you to post? Could you give us a Chi Square statistic on that table, so we can see if it's significant?

Posted by: B2O2 | September 10, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Healthcare might not be an overt crisis to you, Mr. Kristol, but that reflects a combination of a lack of insight, good fortune thus far, a lack of compassion and potentially a LOT of wealth on your part more than anything else.

We with insurance are paying double for our hospital costs to compensate for the apparently endorsed agenda to utilize the Emergency Rooms as universal care for our citizens. 40,000 Americans lose their insurance daily. 12,600,000 Americans have been denied insurance due to pre-existing conditions in three years. Insurance companies are defending recission and being fined millions of dollars because of abuse, including bonuses to employees who find any loophole to cancel legitismate policies. Medical costs are involved in 3/4 of all bankruptcies.

Good, hard-working, sick Americans are dying daily due to this very broken, for-profit system. Others, like myself, are sacrifising our health (and our dreams, our happiness and every other area of our lives) to preserve our health insurance while the insurance companies get richer.

Americans live in fear of getting sick and/or losing their insurance. This is a weight carried within NO other civilized democracy in the entire industrialized world. We are running health clinics throughout the country that are based on third world models of intervention. Horror stories are being lived by your fellow citizens every single day, right under your very nose.

I have to believe that some of this is just outright denial of our mortality. We want to believe that those bad things happen to 'other people' - who must have done something wrong to deserve it. -We- don't get sick. If people get sick and don't recover, they must have made bad choices or gotten bad genes. They must be poor and irresponsible and want a free ride.

The numbers refute that. The faces refute it. Reality refutes it.

All Americans except the very, very wealthy are one lay-off or illness away from hell. Many are living that hell right now.

If that is not a crisis, I don't know what is.

But beyond all that... since when is waiting for a crisis good policy? Seems to me that is one of the fundamental errors this country repeatedly, repeatedly makes. We just let things spin out of control while we try to enjoy (and profit from) the ride with our fingers in our ears until the market crashes, the bubble bursts, the housing prices plummet out of la-la land, the planes crash into our landmarks, the lunatics take over the asylum, the ponzi scheme crashes, etc.

Learning to be proactive instead of reactive would bring this country back into a status we could all feel a great deal of pride in. The US could prove it is once again 'the best' in something other than lunacy, irresponsibility and hypo-crazy (misspelling intended).

And, incidentally, it would save us a ton of dough - and heartache.

Posted by: avoiceofreason | September 10, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Drop Dead wing-nut!

Posted by: yamamah | September 10, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

SARileyMan speaketh the truth.

Posted by: BugEyedVinnie | September 10, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

way to go Kristol, wheren't you wrong before about everything, wasn't your party wrong about everything, how much did it cost us to go to WAR with Iraq ? what did we got from it after 6 years and 1 trillion dollars ?
You are an Idiot.

Posted by: tqmek1 | September 10, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Start over is simply the republicans latest attempt to obfuscate and obstruct. As if doing nothing is OK.
Why do republicans want so much to protect insurance companies?
Do they like being denied coverage?
And how is it Christian to deny the less fortunate basic care and to expose them to bankruptcy?

Posted by: jeffc6578 | September 10, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Well said, whodeykm. I agree.
Bill Kristol, how many of the Americans who responded to the poll and said we should "start over" actually read the bills in any incarnation? Nihilism (the Republican tactic lately) is a lot easier than analysis.

As Whodykm said, what would "start over" mean? Do we get better ideas by scrapping everything that's been considered up until now? That's naive.
Finally, Krisol's argument that Obama implied health care was not a crisis isn't entirely logical. By not naming health care along with two examples of things that are crises does not mean that health care is not one. But even if we disagree on how to parse the president's language, you can't reasonably build an argument about the importance of health care reform by latching on to some semantic ambiguity in his speech. It has been obvious since he was a candidate that he views the state of health care as a crisis, as do most Republicans in Congress, not to mention Democrats and most of the American public. And yet you build your argument on a turn of language in his speech. This means that you haven't listened to the President for the past six months. And it means that we should not listen to you now. You are not credible, Mr. Kristol. Give us more than self righteous nihilism.

Posted by: Latnikaf | September 10, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

The real “public option” is to scrap the current grandiose plans and to start over. There is no health care crisis, and doing no harm is far preferable to doing real damage to a good health care system."

Dude what planet are you living on? What country are you living in?

The fact that you said that speaks volumes about who you think you are and in reality are not.

Posted by: bjlopez1130 | September 10, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Bill Kristol you are such a jerk, you never get anything right and why you get any time on the air or with the written word is beyond me. There are so many intelligent and uplifting people out there whose spot you are taking up - begone already. Idiot!

Posted by: irenehanlon | September 10, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Don't you *ever* get tired of being wrong, Mr. Kristol?

Posted by: dougom | September 10, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

In 8 years of President Bush Mr. Kristol never once felt the President should pay the slightest attention to public opinion. Why the sudden desire to kowtow to public opinion?

Posted by: kchses1 | September 10, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

In the end, any plan that they come up with will end up hurting legal immigrants (H1-B and Green Card holders) more than anyone else. All the laws will apply to them too, but they won't see any of the benefits of this healthcare plan. Oh, and they pay taxes too.

The option would have been to cover everyone (it shouldn't be a question of citizenship, but that of humanity) and simultaneously work on immigration reforms and tightening border security.

Posted by: shark47 | September 10, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

It is very disheartening to read some of these posts and know that we cannot disagree without putting others down. That is fine that many of the readers of the WP support everything President Obama does, but not everyone does...and that's ok! For one I agree that the current health system needs changes, but certainly do not think it is more important than the economy or the two wars we are fighting in the Middle East. Come on people, let's work together!

Posted by: christybancone | September 10, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

This suggests how grandiloquent his self-understanding is.

No, this suggests he is willing to spend some political capital on this and he thinks that it is important to end talking about reform and actually do something. Grandiloquent is thinking we can change the culture of an ancient country using war. Grandiloquent is thinking that a temporary lull in violence in an otherwise chaotic situation is victory. Grandiloquent is thinking that in spite of a war that costed us over a trillion dollars and cost more than 4000 lives, that we can attack it's neighbor.

Conservatives should go back to Burke and let the radicals (neo-conservatives) out of the political process and in the fringes where they belong.

Mr.Obama should take what he gets and leave the radical ideas for a future day.

Posted by: npet480 | September 10, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol, How can you say we have a "good health care system" when all the metrics regarding cost, effectiveness, and coverage show we rank far down the list of developed nations? You are either lying or you're stupid and I know you're not stupid.

Posted by: Orion838 | September 10, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"NO MORE DEFICIT SPENDING!"

Perhaps you should inform the Republicans. They create more debt than Democrats.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright
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and because the republicans have done it, it's ok for the democrats to overspend at an even higher rate? that makes no sense.

i'm all for some kind of health care reform, but not at the cost of so much more deficit spending. there have to be ways to change the system that don't require a massive, expensive overhaul.

Posted by: reader39 | September 10, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Check the decimal point, please. In the President's speech he said "And if we are able to slow the growth of health care costs by just one-tenth of one percent each year, it will actually reduce the deficit by $4 trillion over the long term. " One tenth of a percent is one/thousandth. The President's numbers therefore suggest a four quadrillion dollar health care cost. World GDP is only $60 trillion a year, so I guess we will save the equivalent of every dollar of it for the next 66 years.

Posted by: brendy1 | September 10, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

To Alarico,

What a small, sick and twisted person you must be. Because Kristol has a different view from you on an issue you wish him to die.

[etc.]

Posted by: RW24 | September 10, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

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No, I don't wish Kristol death because he has "a different opinion than me"--

I wish him death because he wishes death upon me and millions of other people who have limited or spotty access to health insurance.

I'm a small business owner with a preexisting condition. I can afford insurance but they won't have me. So yeah-- death to Kristol!

Nothing wrong with that if you think about it-- I'm just returning the good wishes he has expressed for me & my fellow involuntary outcasts.

And when you think about it--- if we had to add his criminal complicity with the Iraq war, he'd have to die a million times! I only wish that he does this once. Sooner, please, rather than later. :P

Posted by: alarico | September 10, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Kristol doesn't say healthcare doesn't need reform; he says reforming health care simply for the sake of reforming it might do more harm than good in the end. Just like Credit Card companies found a way around the reform bill passed earlier this year, health insurance companies might also be able to find a way out. Without a public option, the whole insurance reform bill will be toothless. So, insurance companies will end up covering people with preexisting conditions, but at what cost? They're going to jack up premiums and copays for everyone else. Heck, my insurance company has already gone ahead and done it.

Posted by: shark47 | September 10, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

President Obama didn't chose to come into our living rooms on the wars OR the economy as they are both the fault of the shortsightedness of the previous President and there is little that Americans can do to solve those problems. Mr. Kristol, are you being critical of the state your hero, former President Bush, has left our country in on the wars and the economy?Americans CAN however participate in the healthcare debate and SHOULD be informed when doing so!

Posted by: JSKEVV | September 10, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Kristol,

When you are ready to leave the White Ghetto Swamp that is the RepubliCon Party call me.... I will your guide in the real world where rest of the humans live

Posted by: Roism007 | September 10, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Kristol,

When you are ready to leave the White Ghetto Swamp that is the RepubliCon Party call me.... I will your guide in the real world where rest of the humans live

Posted by: Roism007 | September 10, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Bill,

Woody Allen said he once took a speed reading course and read "War and Peace" in five hours. "It's about Russia"; he said.

The first time Republicans read up on Health Care they decided "We don't like The First Lady (Hillary Clinton)".

The second time Republicans read up on Health Care they decided "We don't like The President"

Who will be bumped from the island this time, the kids or the pets ?

Posted by: gannon_dick | September 10, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

- SARileyMan
Oh please! Put a sock in it will you! Obama's first-year deficit:
$1,600,000,000,000 - that figure alone is the Clinton surplus that Bush couldn't give away to the wealthy fast enough. If you're still waiting for anything to trickle down to the rest of us then, well, I don't like to insult anyone's intelligence. Also included in Obama's figure (which I did not check but just for arguments sake let's use it), is the true cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which the Bush administration kept hidden.
Millions are in a healthcare crisis right now - but if you have yours, too bad for them.
For all your tough guy, shoot em up boisterous bs, as a group, you really are scared silly.

Posted by: irenehanlon | September 10, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

whtaylor1 - There is a phrase: If you can't win on the facts attack your opponents character.
Why that's the republican playbook!! If I were a republican I would hide my head in shame at the antics of my representatives.

Posted by: irenehanlon | September 10, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Bill, Bill, Bill, you ignorant ....

Take a deep breath,
relax,
go outside for a change,
have your driver take you to the nearest ER of a public hospital
so you can talk with the patients waiting there about their health care plan and 'starting over.'

Posted by: Patriot3 | September 10, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

This health care bill is not about reform. It is about government interference and control. Strange that the US Supreme Court ruled in Roe vs. Wade that abortion is a matter between doctor and patient. However, according to the Democrats, the rest of the doctor-patient relationship is negotiable.

If the bill was simply about government insurance that was voluntarily and available to people who paid premiums, that would be one thing. But it's not. It's about government's complete control of the doctor-patient relationahip. The government decides, not patients. How did the human race survive the last 10,000 years without Obama and Company???

The president wants us to buy a car but we can't look under the hood and there can be no mention of price. We have to trust him.

I like the GOP plan. And it won't cost us a cent.

Posted by: jorod | September 10, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

From wikipedia, for what it's worth:

Kristol has been criticized for inaccuracies in his columns, and for predictions he made that later turned out to be incorrect. This has led some to question his journalistic credibility. Eric Alterman wrote that "if one looks for a consistent pattern to Kristol's perpetual wrongness, it's not hard to discern. For Kristol is less interested in being correct than in advancing his side's interests. He's not a journalist; he's an apparatchik working undercover as a man of the press."

Posted by: clem75 |
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Thanks clem75 I'll pass it on.

Posted by: hayden1 | September 10, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

PS If the President know about $550 billion in fraud, why doesn't he eliminate it and save the taxpayers $550 billion.

Posted by: jorod | September 10, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

i think bill kristol is one of the more sane neocons, so i'm disappointed to see this degree of callousness. it's not a crisis to the well-heeled, for sure, but for millions it's past crisis time, and for the majority of us who have health care but are one not-even-major health issue away from losing everything, it's pretty dang crucial.
health insurance reform is pretty pallid in the face of desperately-needed health care reform, but obama is doing more than our torpid congress and senate have done in decades.
if you don't like his direction, try to tweak it, but please don't try to pretend that more nothing is what we need.

Posted by: ridetbred | September 10, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Start over? No, no. Because of the help of Rep. Wilson and his band of Neanderthals(with due apologies to Neanderthals) the bills are in the bag!

Posted by: lswonder | September 10, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

"So President Obama invited himself into our living rooms tonight...why?... Not to address the economy -- even though unemployment continues to rise, the deficit is at an all-time high, and we face a truly worrisome debt burden in the years ahead."
Very shortsighted, Mr. Kristol. We're unlikely to get our economy back on track until we address the health care issue. It is, after all, the no. 1 cause of personal bankruptcies and one of the main reasons small businesses go bust.

Posted by: pgparent | September 10, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

The 'start over' chant isn't working.

It's worked for a century, but the Insurance Companies have finally worn it out by bankrupting thousands of their customers.

Talk about the killing the goose that lays the golden egg... they do it literally.

-Wexler

Posted by: WWWexler | September 10, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Kristol is a true neo-con. Completely out of touch with reality and the lives of ordinary people.

Posted by: gposner | September 10, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Sweet Jesus, when are the Democrats going to take responsibility? As I recall the last 2 years of the Bush admin. it was a Democratic Congress. The big problem with the housing market was caused by Democrats. Oversight for these illegal and reprehensible loans were shot down by the Dems. These trillions are on the Dems! Yes, Bush had a deficit, but not only because of Iraq, what about 9/11, Katrina & every other $$ sucking catastrophe that came down the pike. That cost us plenty.
Do you feel safe right now? Good!
Do we have a health care abuse problems, yes! We do not have a crisis. There is no CRISIS!
He compares it to car insurance, we are not mandated to buy a car! He talks about the Middle Class & all he is doing for us & does nothing for us. No, of course my insurance is not going to change because he is not creating competition across State lines. Tort reform will save billions for us and Doctors. 80% of this bill is ok, the other 20% give it to the Republicans. He has not met with them, not once, on anything. They have 35 bill proposals. He is full of crap. Bipartisan my ass. This is Pelosi's admin. Take a look at California & don't say Arnold is a Republican, the legislatures are Dems. Take a look at Massachusetts. These states are in the toilet! Not one more dime nor one more big bill until WE ALL are satisfied with it. He is listening only to his own cronies & talks about unproductive rhetoric when he is passive/aggressive up there on the podium. No "One" has ALL the answers.

Posted by: mgrantjoll | September 10, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Yes, that's nice Billy. Now go and play. Grown ups are talking.

Posted by: bigbrother1 | September 10, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Here's another option Bill. Shut up.

Republican incivility seems to be rubbing off on me.

Posted by: paul6554 | September 10, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Is this the best that Dan Quale's Chief of Staff has to say.
Bill, your dad was much smarter. I guess that you prove the
"law of reversion to the mean"!

Posted by: KrautKiller | September 10, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Typical Neocon claptrap.

The effects of the Kool-Aid are wearing off, and, people are spotting the neocons, despite their attempts to hide amongst the sheep. Soon they will be called to their crimes.

Oh wait, Neocon cavalry is coming, the 101st Keyboarders and others at PNAC and AEI, to rescue Kristol and his ilk from going into absolute obscurity

Posted by: spidy99 | September 10, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse


FOURTH LINE...

in a supposed column about health care,

and this zionist bum gets in a bomb Iran thing.

Really, anything American, about Americans
or for them is incidental. Backdrop for
getting Israel what it wants (always more war and more money grubbing)

All we hear from the Post columnists is
a veriation of Bomb Iran.

Fifth Columnist stuff. Is't about time to tell it like it is...

Posted by: tryhard3 | September 10, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Why on earth should the Democrats "start over" with their healthcare bill. The Republicans will only try and kill another bill, even if it attempts more compromises.
The Republicans tried to kill Social Security in the 1930's and Medicare in the 1960's, and they successfully killed healthcare reform in the 1990's. The time is now Democrats and do what Bush did so successfully...push through our initiatives without support from the other side. 51 Votes in the Senate, and a majority vote in the House, then have President Obama sign it...period. Let's do it now!

Posted by: logcabin1836 | September 10, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I was against Healthcare Reform but now that President Obama has gone over THE SAME talking points for the 188th time, now I'm for it. How could I have been so stupid. Boy, all of the deceit and misinformation must have really gotten to me. I AM COMPLETELY confident that the government's cost projections are accurate - in fact it will probably be revenue positive!! I mean, Medicare and Medicaid don't cost anything CLOSE to what was projected when they were sold to the citizenry. And that Rep. Wilson from South Carolina, he called the President a liar!! Every true American should be for this sham, er plan, if someone is going to be that rude. Yippee for this plan!!! Just the thought od enacting it has downgraded our situation from a crisis to an opportunity. THE ONE is so wise.

Posted by: john10280 | September 10, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

From under which rock did the posters on this board crawl out from? Leftist scum!

Posted by: potvin | September 10, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

This plan will not cover illegal aliens. Research shows that a large percentage of illegal aliens are non-U.S. citizens. This President is a Nationalist Elitest!! He may also be racist as many of these illigal aliens may be on non-U.S. decent!!

Posted by: john10280 | September 10, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

This health care debate is a waste of time because any legislation would be unconstitutional.

Nowhere is the power to legislate health care enumerated in the powers granted to Congress. Therefore, this power is reserved to the states or to the people. Nationalized health care transgresses the 10th Amendment.

Instead of health care, we need to spend more on defense. Universal care, and the taxes to pay for it, will drain the public wealth. It doesn't create new wealth. This will diminish our ability to pay for our own defense.

Posted by: milh | September 10, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Why won't this President be bold and declare that the real issue is Healthcare extens human life and humans are evil. We will pollute less and save the environment if we just avoid using healthcare. The public option should mandate that we lie down in a field when we get old and we can become compost for Mother Earth. Also, there should be no co-pay for doing this.

Posted by: john10280 | September 10, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Wellll....guys, be fair.
Kristol and his zionist neocons have made a difference here in America.

See the loudmouth right wing heckler in the House last night?
We're beginning to behave like the Kenessett, where the uglies scream all day long. No decorum, no decent behavior, just thugs. We're getting just like ISrael.

Particularly our media... the WaPo, no suprise.

Posted by: tryhard3 | September 10, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Ironically, liberals and Democrats malign all others, not simply conservatives and Republicans, but also moderates and independents who do not want to pay for the "free" health care of others.

The great divide in this nation is: workers versus welfare recipients and private sector versus government employees in the public sector.

Many opponents of expanding health care, including myself, realize that most of the beneficiaries of the Democratic schemes are undeserving people, no better than welfare recipients already receiving Medicaid and public employees who quite frankly do not have to work very hard for a living.

Health care legislation should first address 1) tort reform, 2) elimination of waste in Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security (disability claims in particular) and 3) elimination of welfare, Medicaid, and other entitlement benefits for otherwise able-bodied people. All those deadbeat dads should be required to support their own children.

If these true reforms were undertaken, we could easily cover the deserving poor, specifically the disabled and elderly. We do not want yet another welfare program. Is that so hard to understand?


Posted by: Jerzy | September 10, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Health Care isn't a crisis to Kristol because he has his health insurance, and no doubt owns millions of dollars of stock in insurance companies.

These fat cats like Kristol don't want change because they have no problem with the way things are, but I predict the insuance companies are going to bust just like the auto industry that refused to build fuel efficient cars.

Eventually, we're going to be forced to find our health insurance from other sources, and that's when we will finally break the backs of these greedy insurance companies.


Posted by: lindalovejones | September 10, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse


Kristol mimics the hapless Gerson's yesterday column, exactly. There's no crisis in health care.

These boys don't want anything to interfere with their new campaign to get
America to attack Iran.

These boys figure they can't get through with ISrael's wishes while America's interests are fouling up the media.

While Netanyahoo is sneaking all over trying to talk to Russia, or who ever...trying to strike up WWIII.

And here we have the termity to talk about
some domestic policy for America.
Whoa!

Posted by: tryhard3 | September 10, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"Indeed, the president acknowledged it isn’t: 'But we did not come here just to clean up crises. We came to build a future. So tonight, I return to speak to all of you about an issue that is central to that future -- and that is the issue of health care.' In other words, health care -- unlike, say, the financial system a few months ago -- is not in a state of crisis."

Did your brain completely miss the word "just," do you not understand the context of the word "just" or do you just not know the meaning of the word? He is saying that he DID come to clean up the health coverage CRISIS, but that is not the ONLY (the other meaning of "just") thing he came to do. He also wants to make the system better through efficiency via technology and increased competition using a government-run, low overhead (no executives to pay) public plan.

Let me give you an example. I did not come here just to read this terrible article, but also to comment on it.

Posted by: paulflorez | September 10, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Bill Kristol's opinions and remarks are right on, as shown by the strong reactions by the Obama drones.

Posted by: ZebZ | September 10, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse


interesting point: if obama launches his health care speech by saying "we didnt just come here to fix crises", then health care must not be a crisis, by his own logic.

of course, obama has never been above self-refutation, double-speak and whatever-fits-the-moment reasoning, so i guess there's really nothing ground-breaking in kristol's realization.

Posted by: dummypants | September 10, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Here, here! As I've said before, it's about health insurance, not about health care. We've heard about the number of unINSURED, the cost of INSURANCE, reimbursements from the INSURANCE COMPANIES (cutting off limbs), etc. It's like addressing a drinking and driving issue and taking over the alcohol industry. If someone can tell me where an American was denied health care (not insurance), then make that point. Our hospitals have to treat anyone who walks through their doors. They get the best treatment in the world. That's one of the main reasons why we have an illegal immigration problem.

Posted by: slake2 | September 10, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Imagine that -- Bill Kristol thinks we should find another war instead of working on ensuring there are fewer bankruptcies due to health care emergencies. What a surprise! Not this time. Not this time.

Posted by: teoandchive | September 10, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Want to pass health care reform tomorrow?
Put it out as a no bid contract to Halliburton.
Then republiconmen like Kristol would be falling over themselves to sign on.

Posted by: markbark42 | September 10, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

this suggestion is such a tired and obvious attempt to further delay a day of reckoning on any health care reform initiative.

No, Obama and his team did not handle this well either in terms of strategy or communication. And, if you define "crisis" only as a situation when my hair is on fire and my head is going to explode momentarily we do not have a health care crisis. But we do have one hell of a problem in continuing to pay far more for our health care than we can either afford or should be paying for what we get.

Part of me says let this fester longer until the Medicare trust fund is broke and all those seniors decrying any "public option" find out their doctor isn't going to treat them any longer because the public treasury from which their Medicare benefits comes is broke. And, concurrently all those who are receiving health care benefits from their employers see the last of those contributions and they start getting the monthly bill for themselves and ask "why am I paying so much I can't afford the utility bill?" Maybe that would meet Mr. Kristol's definition of a crisis because that is exactly the path we are on absent any brakes being put on this runaway train.

Posted by: bobfbell | September 10, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

All Obama offered was smoke and mirrors:

We will pay for all this out of Medicare, but there will be plenty of money left to fill the Medicare doughnut hole and seniors will have better service than ever!

The cost of health care is going up very quickly, but nothing will be done to to address this.

There will be no death panels but groups of experts will be created to decide who gets what treatment.

It was a pretty pathetic effort on Obama's part to sell a lousy bill to a sceptical public and an obsequious bunch of congressman and reporters.

Posted by: sceptic5 | September 10, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Mr Kristol,
You are an intelligent and often thoughtful conservative, but this is really a silly and rather lawyeristic article.

It is obvious that we have an extremely serious health care system crisis in this country.
1) Health care is unavailable to many- those with pre-existing conditions.
2) Health care premiums cannot be afforded by many.

To suggest that there is no crisis when literally millions of people have no choice- but to die- because health care is not available to them- this is the height of republican darwinism.

Playing silly word games with some of Obabma's comments is far below the intellectual stature I have often observed from you.

Posted by: dfolk1 | September 10, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Nailed it!

"Never waste a good crisis" is Obama's motto. If there is no crisis, call it one anyway. Seriously, how many crises have we had now that Obama is president?

The fact is, if it were a real crisis that deeply affected us all, we'd all want to do something drastic about it. Yesterday. Crises don't come and go along party lines.

Posted by: SamBezos

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There's over 200 million people in the US who apparently don't think anything is problematic unless it is directly affecting them at.this.moment.

So for you to say that we're aren't in a crisis because a bunch of selfish ignorant buffoons aren't feeling pinched right now is complete nonsense. This is why there are leaders and followers in society. You can stumble around with your blinders on convinced that there is not a problem, but the rest of us who can see the big wide world around us will take care of it before you fall into the hole and scream for help.

You can thank us later.

Posted by: theobserver4 | September 10, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

BK, you need a friend!

I am a short time subscriber and amazed at the repsonses you draw from what appears to be a really radical readership. Its a bit scary!

I have always assumed that if you lie in front of that many people once it casts a great deal of suspicion on the rest of what you say.

One thing bothers me about the truth in what the President says: If my tax dollars will never pay for the care or insurance of illegal aliens, than one of two things has to be true. Either our hospitals will no longer treat illegal aliens at our emergency rooms (too heartless for even Glen Beck)or we plan to make all illegal aliens instant citzens. Doen't one of those statements HAVE to be true?

I thought "W" polarized us but that was not even close to where we are now. It truly is sad.

Posted by: davesinay | September 10, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

After the indecent outburst by your right-wing buddy, the best thing yoU can do is SHUT THE F UP!

Posted by: analyst72 | September 10, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Kristol,
The two wars we are still fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan are the result of the Bush administration's poor planning and execution. In the case of Iraq, add lack of necessity as well.

Health care is a crisis. It's an emergency. Maybe not to you and the soulless Neocons, but to nearly 50 million Americans who have no healthcare, and all the rest who are tired of seeing America go without and the system on the brink of collapse because of it.

I don't expect the GOP to go along with anything the Democrats or Obama propose. But I do expect them to get run over in the process. And deservedly so. Get on the bus or go under it!

Posted by: gce1356 | September 10, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse


My morning comment

that it took Kristol four lines, 4 lines in a supposed column about health care...

to put in a blast against Iran..,and how they're terorrists and the most dangerous thing in the world.

And then ventured the words Fi ifth Column.

Since it was censured quickly, let's add
what many are asking...why should Americans put up with Du al Lo yalists like Kristol and those in congress...

why can't we have America firsters for our leaders?

Posted by: tryhard3 | September 10, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Key to success: Listen to Kristol. Do the opposite.

Posted by: kevnet | September 10, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Ted Kennedy said health care was a crisis in the late 60's. Hillary said it was in the early 90's. Obama says it is a crisis in 2009. All I see is a liberal president who wants to pass an entitlement for a few million of his constituents. Obama does not car about the middle class and that is exactly who will pay for this entitlement that cannot be reversed once it is passed.

Posted by: loudountaxrevolt | September 10, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

this is one sick man anyone that follows him should be on neighborhood watch list.

Posted by: donaldtucker | September 10, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Yes there is a health care crisis. Resolving the crisis, as well as reversing some of the economic devastation of the Bush gang, was a key part of Obama's election victory. A tiny number of screaming mobs repeated industry falseheads, as well as shouting people from the fringe Republican Party, is hardly worth starting over and losing even more time. They need to pass reform with public option. Rev. Bookburn - Radio Volta

Posted by: revbookburn | September 10, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Kristol, Just Go Away! Haven't your failed ideas done enough damage over the last decade (three decades???). This conservative montra of "start over" is a thinly veiled attempt to run out the clock till you think you have more allies in congress to defeat reform and the President. We should be ashamed of ourselves for being the ONLY industrialized nation without universal healthcare and one of the few without universal university. It's time to catch up to the rest of the world.

Posted by: AbeRnr | September 10, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

This columnist is dreaming. The public around me is asking for health care reform now. They are not asking for a start-over. I guess that neocons believe that if they say it enough, it will make it so. The lasy election should have taught them something.

The President's plan is thorough, timely, and for the people.

Posted by: EarlC | September 10, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Little Willy Kristol, the angsty, ever adolescent nudge whose wee stiff woody brought us Sarah Palin as well as involvement in Iraq (because he puts Israel first).

Once again purchase about 40 Sham Wows, stitch them into a Snuggie and attempt to backstroke to Israel.

Posted by: mot2win | September 10, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

SamBezos,

"Sorry the tables a mess, but hopefully you can see that one of these posters is not like the others..."

Yeah, I backed up my points with facts, Sammy.

Way to change the subject when you lose an argument. LOL

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

46.3 million uninsured in America. Just how *do* you define "crisis," Mr. Kristol?

Posted by: multiplepov | September 10, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol; on the off chance that you ever decide to do something nice for America, may I suggest that you begin by dropping dead?

Posted by: xlrp3 | September 10, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

That's easy for someone with health insurance to say, those without might not agree with you.

Posted by: laSerenissima2003 | September 10, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Kristol, you are all full of yourself just like the rest of the Neoconseratives which kill people by the thousands.

I did not watch Obama jacka((. You people waste our time and money. I am not going to give you a))holes more of my time. In fact, I am wasting time right now on your sorry un-enightened sorry a((.

Point being is that more time, assets and missed opportunities are lost as you people play Politics. Just don't forget Republicans wasted 600 million on a failed bid to the Whitehouse not too long ago speaking of Frugality.

Posted by: truthhurts | September 10, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Billy strikes again. What a waste of space in a fine newspaper.

Posted by: Snedly1 | September 10, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Reading the majority of these hate-filled comments makes me feel like I have wandered into a lounge filled with thugs. Then I remember that you are readers of the Liberal Washington Post – the flagship news rag published mostly by and for people who make their living off the lifeblood of the rest of those in the country who actually work for a living. No wonder you are so entitlement-oriented - you are the original entitlement gang! Kristol is right. You really don’t represent the rest of the country.

Posted by: jfs21 | September 10, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

"the Liberal Washington Post"

LOL

"people who make their living off the lifeblood of the rest of those in the country who actually work for a living"

Bank executives? The Walton family?

Or was the blood thing literal? In that case - Kristol? The GOP? War pig neocons? Erik Prince?

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama's pathological narcissism REQUIRED him to go to Congress, and pontificate to the nation. HE was the arbiter of what was true and what was false. HE was the identifier of those who were truthful and those who were not (cable TV, talk shows, and dishonest Congressmen).

He was the one who dissed the town hallers who opposed his views and had actually read the bills. He lied in people's faces about what the bills now in Congress would do.

Then, he attempted to placate the left and right with various "gives and takes" to and from each.

It was a performance that, in a word, was pathetic. He NEVER uttered a word of substance because he has no substance. He stated not one thing that was true because he is a liar and dissembler. He could not defend his claims because they are factually indefensible.

Instead, this so-called gifted speaker did what he knows how to do--speak, and speak at length. A tempest in a teapot. A storm without substance. Content--I think not.

This man was elected because the majority of Americans, right and left, either hated, were embarrassed by, or were tired of George W. Bush. Obama's efforts to turn that sentiment into a case for the redefinition of America have run into trouble and for good reason--that is not what Americans want.

Too bad he declared victory on the economy--it was a moment akin to Bush's "Mission Accomplished" moment and, ultimately, will have the same repercussions.

Obama is toast.

Posted by: jshaver001 | September 10, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Hey Bill,
12 hours and ticking...then we attack Iran because they are developing WMD.... so says cheney.

Posted by: knjincvc | September 10, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

I took a page from your book.

First, distract by attacking the credibility of speaker

Second, flood with facts that in no way address the issue at hand

Surprisingly effective.

Seriously, what was that? 12 straight hours of posting prepared links and derisive comments?

Incidentally, I noticed there was no denial there about the Acorn affiliation by the way. How many people were there manning the computers that night? I gotta hand it to you, it certainly has the appearance of a highly effective campaign of manufactured support.

Like I said, real crises drive themselves...agendas don't.

Posted by: SamBezos | September 10, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol:

When did you become so stupid?

Posted by: mdvino | September 10, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Makes the same claim that Michael Gerson's recent column did, but with even less relevant evidence than Gerson had. Many commentators to Gerson's weakly reasoned column provided the evidence that Gerson ignored, and now we have even less from Kristol. Why is this man a famous conservative leader? There's not much more information here than was provided by shouting "You Lie" in the House Chamber

Posted by: twm1 | September 10, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

SamBezos,

Wow. Way to be obedient in your use of talking points. Do you plug in to upload your instructions for the day, or is it done over the phone and you write them down and try really, really hard to memorize them? You must be a birther. I am not in Acorn. Why would that be an issue anyway? The lies about Acorn are pretty pathetic. But hey, conservatives will believe absolutely anything, no matter how ridiculous or pathetic. As the above shows. Perhaps you should try to become informed on some issues. I know you find it scary, but I'm sure you can find some Jack Bauer wannabe to hold your hand.

The terror felt by conservatives is hilarious. Seeing scary things around every corner. Ah! Acorn! Soros! Communist! Fascist! Immigrant! Black President! Muslim! Ayers! The Gay! Rev Wright! Liberal Media! Ah! No wonder you beg your government to take away your rights and torture people. Anything is okay with "anti-government" conservatives just as long as big gov keeps away the scary people. Throwing out the Constitution and war crimes are no big deal. Cowardly and ignorant is a bad combo, Sammy.

Way to keep denying your lack of proof for your "argument". Perhaps you could come up with some kind of argument that doesn't show that Democrats are superior to Republicans on every economic issue, save inflation. Not to mention social policy and national defense. No? Didn't think so.

Kristol is laughing at how easy you are to manipulate. I think it's just sad, but hey, you were given a chance. Now it's time to leave your kind behind. Run along now, Sammy. Let the adults run things from now on.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Nailed it!

"Never waste a good crisis"

Posted by: SamBezos

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There's over 200 million people in the US who apparently don't think anything is problematic unless it is directly affecting them at.this.moment.

...You can thank us later.

Posted by: theobserver4

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I love it. "We are the only smart people in the room...You'll thanks us later." In other words, "We can't address anything UNLESS it is a crisis." Now that's just silly.

I didn't say that there weren't problems; I said that it wasn't a crisis. Crises don't start on inauguration day (I know, I know, it's too easy; I'll save you the typing: some would say it did in the case of Bush, others will say the same of Obama).

There is a lot of energy right now around changing health care for the better. I'm all for it. I disagree with labeling it a crisis and the ridiculous fear mongering that comes with the crisis label. I'm all for change and now seems like the ideal time to do it.

Posted by: SamBezos | September 10, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

The real public option anymore is for Republicans to admit they have nothing to offer and just shut their mouths.

After the Obama school speech protest where Republicans opposed hard work, diligence and self-reliance, and then after Joe Wilson's heckling in the Senate it is clear that Republicans have no sensible morals and nothing of value to offer.

I'm tired of listening to Republicans. I turn them off along with their friends on the Jerry Springer and Dog the Bounty Hunter shows.

Take your trailer trash to the dump, Billy. And stay there with them.

Posted by: colonelpanic | September 10, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

twm1,

"Why is this man a famous conservative leader?"

His daddy and wingnut welfare bought him a seat at the table, not the free market of ideas. His magazine never made a profit, because his philosophy is monstrous. It did get him on the TV and behind the scenes in the last administration, though. Just like the rest of the neocon, PNAC filth, to which the war criminal Cheney belongs. His shameless ego and uncanny ability to lie with every breath has kept him there. It certainly wasn't his wisdom and insightful commentary. In fact, his ability to ignore morality is in direct proportion to the amount of attention he has received and his usefulness to the empire. Morality is an impediment to his philosophy.

And the conservatives are the only ones who would accept and cheer such a disgusting person.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

1000, you are a wicked fast typer.

Easily manipulated? This is funny. He said it isn't a crisis. It's not (see above posts). He said that the US has the best health care in the world. It does. If he said that health care could not be improved, he's wrong.

In fact, Kristol (I feel like I'm talking about a stipper) pointed out how the administration is manipulating the fears of the public. Because you're arguing that the administration isn't, I have to assume that you don't even realize how handily you've been used.

I know you want to spout ideology and talk about the superior party and you're free to; I'll let the you hash it out with the partisans.

Posted by: SamBezos | September 10, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

No crisis in health care?

Way down the list: longevity, infant mortality. life expectancy after age 60.

Top of the list: amount health care takes of GDP, $$/patient.

Bottom-line: we are uncompetitive in comparison.

I call that a crisis.

Why does WaPo pay this guy?

Posted by: dikdik2002 | September 10, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Basics: food, shelter, recourse to medical attention when needed, educational opportunities to flex with the times.
Kristol is too distant from worrying these basics to appreciate ordinary people's needs.
Dump the la-di-da dude, WashPost.

Posted by: mscrawford47 | September 10, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I'd never heard of Kristol before reading his article. I was forced to judge what he wrote on its merits. You have a little more history with him it looks like. So much so that you can't recognize when what he says is right. Understandable.

Here is some fodder for you. Please, reference away, you have a real knack there.

Why wouldn't allowing insurance companies to compete unfettered not have the same effect as a public option that simply wants to increase competition?

How would reward caps not reduce insurance premiums for doctors, and therefore cost of insurance for consumers?

How doesn't tiered access to medicaid for those who can't afford it after the above changes have taken effect, not provide access to those who want it?

Keep your responses brief, interest is waning...

Posted by: SamBezos | September 10, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

SamBezos,

I'm beginning to understand the limited capacity of conservatives to formulate arguments and understand complex issues. It isn't just straight forward manipulation by others. It is the belief in a false manufactured reality that becomes reinforced by the victims of the propaganda themselves. After a while, they become incapable of accepting anything that disproves their false reality. They work against themselves.
For example:

"He said that the US has the best health care in the world. " - No, Sam. He did not. That was only in your mind. You have absorbed that talking point and integrated it into any discussion of health care you have.

"In fact, Kristol...pointed out how the administration is manipulating the fears of the public." - No, Sam. He did not. That was your cemented ideological interpretation. Manipulation of fear is what Kristol did in order to slaughter people. He has tried to use a talking point from 16 years ago (which you ate up), that "there is no crisis, but Obama is trying to label it as a crisis" to draw the nation's attention to it and pass...I don't know, some kind of socialist or fascist or whatever the hell kind of nonsense you people believe.

"Because you're arguing that the administration isn't..." - No, Sam. I have not countered an argument that wasn't made in the first place. That is your warped interpretation. Health care reform is needed and I have thought so for decades. Kristol's (16 year old) talking point was that there is no crisis. He's wrong. Fear was not addressed. You have grown too accustomed to the tactics of conservatives.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

SamBezos,

"...I have to assume that you don't even realize how handily you've been used." - No, Sam. People who want health care reform are not being manipulated into anything. Unlike the people who thought Iraq was a threat or involved in 9/11. I want single-payer. Obama isn't going far enough. It is not a "government takeover" of health care. Having a government paid health care program would not only help the uninsured and those tired of being manipulated into throwing money at insurance companies who then deny them needed care, but would also be good for the economy and the competitiveness of businesses, especially small business. I am not being manipulated because the scare tactics being used by the right, death panels and scary government control, etc, I understand to be lies and am not frightened by them or any conservative horror stories. In order to be manipulated, I would have to be supporting something that I didn't want or that was against the interests of myself, my family, my friends, or my country. Health care is not. War in Iraq, however, is - hence the manipulation. No health care reform is against your and the country's interest - hence the manipulation. If you are afraid because you believe the conservative propaganda, it doesn't mean that everyone else is and only supports reform because they are being duped.

"If he said" - Did you read it?

Still ignoring the facts on the economy. It contradicts your illusions, though, so it's understandable.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

SamBezos,

"I'd never heard of Kristol before"

You really, really should know who these people are.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 10, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol, where have you been living...obviously not in the USA. You deny that we have a crisis, even with the millions of people unemployed or working for meager wages who can no longer support their families??? This is a fact. You should read your own Newspaper, then you will surely realize that the longer we delay Health Care Reform, the more the welfare of these people deteriorates
Millions of people have lost the good jobs they once had because greedy corporations moved offshore and took the manufacturing base that once employed the masses. People were forced to take jobs with "small businesses" who are running the jobs markets, paying low wages, and not providing health insurance to their employees. Although small businesses have served a purpose, they have ruined the economy with their low wages, because the population doesn't have the purchasing power it once had. People have lost everything they worked hard for all their lives and can’t afford health insurance.
These issues didn't happen overnight; they have been building for decades and through many presidents, but have now reached crisis proportions. This country is on the verge of implosion because the Legislators are afraid to create aversion with big industry that might result in these Corps withholding Campaign Contributions, that would end their careers. Unfortunately, their poor leadership has promulgated these dire circumstances on the population.
Insurance reform doesn't solve these problems, but it addresses a critical need for the country, and is a step in the right direction (of many other reforms that need to be considered). Insurance reform is not a process that can be determined by one bill. It will forever be a "work in progress". The best we can do is put a plan in place, see what works and what doesn't, and tweak it as experience dictates its assets and flaws.
Instead of being part of the solution Mr. Kristol you seek to put down an honorable man with high integrity, who loves the people of this nation, sees the suffering of the underprivileged, and has empathy for the predicament they find themselves in.
It’s hard to believe that you would diminish the legitimacy of the President's efforts to deal with this important issue.
Thank God we have a President who is honest, direct, and open about his vision for a fairer environment for workers, and is trying with everything in his mind and soul to do something about it.
So why don't you butt out of the debate, Mr. Kristol, and let more reasonable people discuss the issues.

Posted by: ereynolds005 | September 10, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Woody Allen said he once took a speed reading course and read "War and Peace" in five hours. "It's about Russia"; he said.

The first time Republicans read up on Health Care they decided "We don't like The First Lady (Hillary Clinton)".

The second time Republicans read up on Health Care they decided "We don't like The President"
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gannon_dick | September 10, 2009 2:31 PM

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Nice one liners (I really mean this). But I think the first time the Republicans read up on Health Care was around 1948 when they decided Harry Truman's proposal was a "communist plot". (This is not a joke, check the historical record). My point is, the proposal to "start over" is a recipe to do nothing, as it has been for at least 60 years now.

Posted by: twm1 | September 11, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

There is no crisis for William Kristol. But every thirty seconds another american family declares bankruptcy because of medical bills - and 2/3 of those have medical insurance. No crisis, Bill, for you. But there is a crisis out there, and a totally unnecessary one. You and your friends have convinced hard working honest americans to vote against their own best interests now for 30 years. Congratulations, for what it is worth.

Posted by: good-1 | September 11, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Exactly.

Two wars and double digit unemployment. That is our crisis.

Contrairly Obama's crisis is healthcare.

He has lost the debate. To late to the fight. A neophyte leader. Clearly lack of leadership on this issue.

The American people spoke loudly and clearly. Now we have the Obama administration telling us what we think want is not what we want.

This is folly indeed. He is doing damage to his own party. The extreme left is out of touch with American thought on this issue.

Posted by: Jaymand | September 11, 2009 12:41 AM | Report abuse

The most sickening aspect of Kristol's post here is the massive propaganda campaign instituted by the previous administration in an attempt to fulfill his and the other PNAC member's vision of global military hegemony. Using the "catalyzing event" of the "new Pearl Harbor", the campaign was waged in an effort to make the American people think there was a crisis involving the threat of WMD from Iraq. No such crisis or threat existed, of course, and they knew it. And they lied in order to bring about the slaughter of tens of thousands of families, hundreds of thousands of innocent human beings.

You are a disgusting monster, Kristol.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 11, 2009 1:21 AM | Report abuse

So much anger on the left! Everyone wants to bash Kristol whilst linking Israel to this issue. Sorry, do the Israelis have strong feelings about our health care?

Few people seem interested in actually debating the merits of mandated health care. Only a fool can believe that a universal health care mandate/public option won't be devastating to our ability to produce jobs and consumers -- where will that money come from? Reduction in costs? Never happen. No one but Obama can even make the statement with a straight face. The government should not take over our health care, it can't do anything under budget and on time, even with an overpaid, overstaffed workforce.

Be honest, this is about a power grab for the unions and the government. There are plenty of good market ideas to cover more people and keep costs lower. The left won't accept honest tort reform, so that is out. What about vouchers to allow people to control their own insurance? How about expanding the insurance marketplace by dropping barriers that exist at state lines? Those ideas deserve to be heard, that they aren't more often -- because they are free market ideas, deepens my suspicion that we are really talking about an incredible and nationally devastating power grab.

Most folks don't want this massive "change" right now -- it will be interesting to see how many dems lose their seats next year if they continue to ignore the wish of the majority.

Posted by: aetdvm | September 11, 2009 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Exactly.

Two wars and double digit unemployment. That is our crisis.

Contrairly Obama's crisis is healthcare.

He has lost the debate. To late to the fight. A neophyte leader. Clearly lack of leadership on this issue.

The American people spoke loudly and clearly. Now we have the Obama administration telling us what we think want is not what we want.

This is folly indeed. He is doing damage to his own party. The extreme left is out of touch with American thought on this issue.

Posted by: Jaymand

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Health care and the economy are intricately linked because it is a direct cost of employment for US workers while the rest of the world's companies/populations do not have this overhead. Whether you want to face this reality or not that's how it is.

So let's get this done and not "sit on it" for another 40 years. The longer we wait for more jobs leave the country.......the higher unemployment goes.......the worse our living standards become........you fill in how it ends.

Posted by: theobserver4 | September 11, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

1000pnts,

You're coming unglued. Again, understandable given your baggage. Did any of my posts suggest I was against reform? Reread them.

I've been consistent and clear in saying that there is no crisis AND STILL the time is right to fix the things that are broken.

You are right, Kristol didn't say we have the best health care in the world. He did spend the entire article dispelling the "crisis" label that is the current administrations calling card. Call everything a crisis, and nothing is a crisis.

Considering your manipulation mumblings; if the manipulators are good, you will never know you've been manipulated. It is, however, possible, that you have your eyes wide open, AND it is possible that those with differeing opinions do too. Weird. That sounds a lot less weak than someone being manipuated though. What fun is that. Just like public health debate sounds a lot weaker than crisis. I sense a pattern here.

You're stuck on "who is the greatest party" and you're missing the debate altogether. You're flexing in the mirror, while everyone around you is doing the heavy lifting.

Keep up the research; maybe apply it to the health care debate. Within minutes you had 14 different citations of Kristol, another six links to show how the Democratic party was superior, but have been strangely silent on any of the questions of health care. I even gave you simple bullet points.

Posted by: SamBezos | September 11, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Oh my! I am 65, and I and other friends, all retired, voted as a block for Obama, believing he would be different from Hillarycare. Wished we had not. Obama has betrayed us with Hillarycare and the Public Option. Hope all seniors who voted for Obama will remember that forever - not just in the next few elections - what Democrats and Obama are doing to us!

Posted by: edddcruzzzj | September 11, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

"The real “public option” is to scrap the current grandiose plans and to start over. There is no health care crisis, and doing no harm is far preferable to doing real damage to a good health care system."

*sigh*

Look, Kristol, I've been more than fair to you. I given you every opportunity to get clean. But this is your final warning:

If I catch you in here snorting cocaine while writing another one of these ridiculous "columns" again, I will have you arrested.

Now put down that pipe and get back into rehab like I told you.

Posted by: Gladiator2008 | September 11, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Bill Kristol told us the same thing in 1994;"there is no health care crisis." Since then, health care costs have more than doubled, with an annual growth rate more than twice that of inflation. If they double again in the next 15 years, and millions more are unable to afford care, you can bet Kristol will still be around to tell us there is no crisis and the U.S. has the best health care system in the world. And he will still want to nuke Iran.

Posted by: wpbilderback | September 11, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

This article was published minutes after Obama gave his speech. The poll he cites is from the week before the speech. Seems like he should be fair and use a poll after Obama has made his case.

Posted by: jojo888 | September 11, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Sam,

"understandable given your baggage."

LOL Sure, Sammy.

"He did spend the entire article dispelling the "crisis" label" - Once again, you project your wishes onto the words of Kristol.

How exactly, did he "dispel" the crisis label? He offered nothing but his opinion and a feeble disingenuous effort to apply a meaning to Obama's words that was not implied. Just what, in your imaginary world, proved that it wasn't a crisis? It is clear that you don't believe it is, but to say that Kristol dispelled it, does nothing but show how much your ideology distorts the words that you read. He clearly did nothing of the sort.

"if the manipulators are good, you will never know you've been manipulated." "AND it is possible that those with differing opinions do too. " - That is pretty funny coming from someone who thinks Kristol's words provide proof that is not there for an opinion that you clearly already posses. What has convinced you there is no crisis? Are you even aware of the situation or do you just project your ideological conclusions onto anything you read? How did you come to those conclusions? 'Cause anyone who knows the facts about the state of health care in this country, except liers such as Kristol and Acorn conspiracy theorists such as yourself, realizes the effects of the horrible system we have now.

Considering that my interaction with you started from an attack by you because you couldn't see the obviousness of how his talking point of 16 years ago applied to his post of him repeating that same tactic, I shouldn't be surprised in your inability to understand the words you read. - "1000points

Are any of those a response to this article?"

Because you are obviously reading words that are simply not anywhere in his post. And missing words that definitely are there.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 11, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Sam,

"have been strangely silent on any of the questions of health care. I even gave you simple bullet points." - Interesting how you and the majority of conservatives refuse to acknowledge facts that counter your ideology, but expect everyone else to answer your questions. As if people are afraid of the "excellent" arguments conservatives put forward or the "proof" they use to back it up. LOL. And considering that you spent the time to produce that little chart of yours to try and offer proof of your conspiracy riddled mind, I really don't know why I would even consider having a discussion with any conservatives. Especially since since every aspect of conservative philosophy has been discredited.

Sigh.

Tort reform has not lowered costs anywhere in this country where it has been tried, even though conservatives praise it as the answer. In reality it is just another conservative ploy to take away the rights of individuals in order to get more money to huge corporations. And it has actually increased costs.

Considering your ideological blinders, if you want any further proof that conservative ideology doesn't work anywhere it is applied, perhaps you should acknowledge a few points before I waste any more time on things you will just refuse to admit to.

1. Your assumption re: me and Acorn was a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

2. Your ideology effects what words you see as you have clearly ascribed points to Kristol's piece that were nowhere to be found.

3. The economy does better when under Democratic watch.

4. Kristol offered no proof to back up his opinion.

5. Kristol used the same "no crisis" tactic 16 years ago.

I don't expect conservatives to be able to handle any threats to their distorting illusions, but hey, I'm an optimist.

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 11, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Most of the crisis's that Krystal says we are currently facing were created directly during the past eight years of the Bush/Cheney administration. So why isn't Krystal taking a bow regarding the fantastic job that his neocons did in destroying America's economy as well as getting us bogged down in 2 no win wars ? ? ? Also don't forget the gutting of the Constitution with the Patriot Act (part 1 and part 2). The price of gas at the pump shot up 50 cents a gallon just 2 weeks after Bush 1st took office and never went south since. This is what caused our financial collapse coupled with the 2 wars.

Considering how much damage the neocons have done to this country, wouldn't it be better if they all just went to the country of their true loyalty so real American's can get our country back ?

Posted by: EmeraldDruid | September 11, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Most Americans wouldn't know a crisis if it bit them in the butt. We think a crisis is having our cable go out, or Twitter go down or a long wait at a crowded restaurant. And heaven forbid that Starbucks run out of coffee!! (Now that would be a crisis!)
No, health care is not at the crisis point. Mr. Kristol is exactly right. What is in a crisis is the White House, Congress and Washington. Where should I start - lying, cheating, and half-truths from our government leaders - on both sides of the aisle; radical special interests writing deceptive bills passed by lazy politicians who would rather trust the "Bill Summary" than to read it and then stupidly denying what is in the bill because they haven't read it; policies based on politics rather than the U.S. Constitution; legal advisers willing to to cheat the system using current laws and if they can't, changing the laws so they can; citizens openly breaking the law - spell it...A-C-O-R-N...and our elected officials averting their eyes and flat-out refusing to look at it because someone "higher up" told them to ignore it; I could go on and on. Where is one Democratic leader who will stand up against corruption? Where is one Republican leader who will tell the truth? You know what? Joe Wilson did and was proven correct but had to apologize because he didn't follow "protocol". It's OK for politicians to call each other liars and other names outside on the steps; to bully and "nudge" everyday Americans with threats that "Big Brother" is watching; to enslave our children's children with staggering debt because of their insatiable appetite for power. No...health care is not the crisis. The crisis in in the character of our leaders. But you know what? There are leaders are in our hometowns. We know who they are. And we are going to support them and send them to Washington. And when this leadership crisis is over, then maybe we'll reform health care. In the meantime, we'll keep paying for the illegals, the uninsured and the underinsured through our taxes, our local fund raisers and even out of our own pockets. Why? Because as Americans, we are free to do so. And that, friends, is our best hope for any crisis.

Posted by: YaYa09 | September 11, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

That table did take some time, but it was interesting right?

(1) The average person posted once, you posted 30 times. The next closest posted 7.

(2) The only poster to provide any links or citations was you, all advocating liberal ideologies and of course anti-Kristol.

(3) The longest person on the site spent 1.5 hours. You spent 12, nearly solid.

(4) This all following a pivotal speech by Obama on his pet objective.

It is possible you are an anti Kristol groupie and spend 12 hours after every article he writes posting the very same citations (I wonder what a google search would turn up?). More likely you are spin control. Everyone needs to make a living somehow. Hey you even seem to enjoy it; that's more than some people can say.

Switching gears slightly, when the conversation moved away from Kristol, you were strangely silent with any research at all. No links, no 12 hours of posting? Instead you fall back on the political favorite of both sides that don't want to address difficult questions, "you're spouting talking points..."

You have such a demonstrated ability here with research. I mean, what did it take you to find those "liberals rock" sites? Let's see them on the above mentioned.

"Tort reform hasn't lowered costs anywhere it's been implemented?" Doctor's insurance premiums in Texas? Really? No lower? You're such a meticulous referencer, no links?

Here's one, appears to be pretty unbiased (it did take two or three minutes to find though; I can only imagine how long it took you to put together your earlier tirade):

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/08/06/reduce-the-high-cost-of-medical-malpractice/

Really no comments on the other points?

I have another to add as well, how will eliminating existing fraud from government programs not drive down costs and why aren't we doing it already if there is so much money in it?

You see? None of these are tied to a public option. Don't let your desire to be right get in the way of what's right. Thankfully, it looks like the public option's dead and that pragmatism will win the day.

Nice biceps by the way keep flexing!

Posted by: SamBezos | September 11, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

THIS WAS A PERFECT ARTICLE, MR. KRISTOL!
IT'S ACTUALLY THE BEST ADVICE AND THE EXACT ADVICE THE INDEPENDENTS AND CONSERVATIVES HAVE SAID ALL ALONG. BUT OBAMA REFUSED TO TAKE ANY OF THEIR SUGGESTIONS, AND INSTEAD, TOLD THEM HE 'HAD IT UNDER CONTROL'.
WELL, HE DID NOT LISTEN AND NOW IT IS SCRAPPED. SO, THE END TO HIS REFORM CAME , NOT BECAUSE OF OPPONENTS, BUT BECAUSE HE NEVER WENT TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC AND NEVER LISTENED TO THE MAJORITY.
INSTEAD, HE CHOSE TO DO WHAT HE AND LIBERALS WANTED,,, WHICH IS SO OFF BASE THAT IT TIPPED AND IS FALLING SO FAST, AND YET HE STILL CAN'T SEE IT COMING!
hA HA I CAN ONLY LAUGH

Posted by: matthewslocum | September 11, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Sammy,

LOL. You still believe it! Awesome. That's quite some invulnerability to fact you got there, Sammy.

So how many times has it been that you have ignored my requests for a response? I told you I would not answer your questions until you actually had the courage to risk your fragile ideology. (It's the only way you grow, Sammy) And it is obvious that you cannot, as most conservatives are cowards. Hey, it's ok buddy, the entire basis for conservative ideology is fear. In this country it is overwhelmingly fear of minorities, but don't worry, if that's not your primary fear, they offer many others.

Scary Middle Easterners going back and forth on jungle gyms is a good one. (Yeah, it's mostly racism, but Now With More "Other"!) Conservatives get so terrified of that one they'll support just about anything - aggressive war, torture, warrantless wiretaps, indefinite detention, basically they will let big daddy gov do whatever he wants. They even get mad if people try to actually adhere to the rule of law. Yeah, I know. Saying that they are patriots who love freedom and are tough on crime the whole time, but that's not important. (Psst. They do it a lot. Fair weather principles only, please.)

I know you want more so...

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 11, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Crime is always an effective one - quick, buy a gun!

Let's see...Well, of course there is the ever present communist takeover. Interesting fact - when schools were desegregated the conservatives of the day, well, let's be honest here, the bigots of the day, protested by carrying signs condemning communism. Yeah. It's an oldie but goodie with them. (I wonder if, when the ancestors of liberals had to pull the ancestors of conservatives out of the caves to teach them how to hunt, if the conservatives protested against communism then, too?)

Homophobia really gets to the tough guys. (There are an awful lot of those. The effeminate pudgy pasty white guys who are always for war but never fight in any. They are called Chickenhawks.) It's pretty entertaining watching those with a philosophy based on fear call others girly or whatever the con kids are doing today.

You see, conservatives always need an enemy. It gives them meaning. If none are available, they create some. (That's what our pal Kristol believes in. Oh, right, you have no idea who he is...)

They are really afraid of women and sex. (You can find all of these things in their party platforms if you want to know more) They call their fear of women "family values". This one's a pretty obvious contradiction of what they say are their "principles". Hey, no laughing! When it comes to women, they want big daddy gov to control their bodies. And sex, well, they want big daddy gov to make sure there is no improper touching going on. No dirty movies, and certainly no marital aids. God-fearin' missionary only! They really object to any woman showing signs of confidence involving her sexuality. (You see, keeping women as shy submissive virgins lets the cons feel less nervous because then the ladies won't know that they are completely clueless in the sack and have tiny winkies. They think, anyway.)

On the flip side, you have the closeted freaky ones who dress in latex with ball gags feeling naughty then throttling themselves while crying and begging for forgiveness from Jesus afterward. Very exciting.

More...

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 11, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Their fear also makes them obsessed with punishment. Anything other than what they are accustomed to and they freak out, frequently getting violent. Combine their ever present fear with an inability to articulate well thought out arguments and they inevitably turn to violence and bully tactics. You can see it now in their completely irrational opposition to our first black President. They are just freakin' out, man. They're crazy!

Anyway, that should give you a good start on the conservative philosophy. Remember, everything they say they are for, Democrats do better. Well, that's not really a surprise considering that they just throw out their "principles" when the fear becomes too great, but generally speaking, they do seem to have certain policy goals, usually economic. ('Cause selfishness is considered a virtue. Yeah, I know, that's the opposite of Christian, but hey, nobody ever said they had consistent views on anything. Just fear.) But their philosophy has been completely discredited. The big freakout is all they have left.

They frequently use the worst terms they can think of to label their political opponents regardless of the word's actual meaning. Example - calling liberals "fascists" when liberal ideology is on the left and fascism is on the right. But don't let facts get in the way. They never do.

That's probably why only six percent of scientists consider themselves republicans - http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1549 Crazy!

Also why they watch Fox "News". (Psst. Fox lies) Conservatives are far more likely to be misinformed or uninformed than people who don't get their orders...sorry...get their "news" from Fox. - http://people-press.org/report/319/public-knowledge-of-current-affairs-little-changed-by-news-and-information-revolutions

So you can answer if you want. If not, I'll know you're just bein' conservative...

Posted by: 1000PointsofFright | September 11, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

The President tells us "...We came to build a future." Just what is that future? Our main challenge at home is jobs and a runaway spending government. Overseas, we have Iran & North Korea becoming more agressive with this government and Israel being pushed further to depend upon itself. Even some countries in the Mid East are turning to Russia. Do we need health care reform? Yes, but we don't need a government run system nor do we need more government. So, Mr. President, just what is this "future" you are embracing?

Posted by: awunsch | September 12, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

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