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The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Is Back

The last time a Clinton spoke of a right-wing conspiracy, she provided late-night comedians material for years. These days, barely anyone notices.

Asked Sunday on Meet the Press if the “vast right-wing conspiracy” that Hillary Clinton accused of hounding her husband was still around, former president Bill Clinton responded, “you bet” and detailed how it is hurting President Obama. But aside from a stray article or two -- including a tiny item on the third page of Monday’s Post -- few have really taken notice.

Part of the muted reaction, of course, is because neither Clinton is in the White House now. And neither is trying to deflect criticism of Bill’s personal failings.

But I also think Americans probably don’t find this claim particularly contentious any longer. I’d wager that non-dittoheads -- that is, most Americans -- all but assume that organized, mean-spirited campaigns to tear down ideological opponents are active in America. Though these aren't necessarily a phenomenon only of the right, government-hating hyper-conservatives' space-cadet backlash to Obama doesn’t help.

Still, “conspiracy” probably isn’t the best word for it -- the term connotes an organizational sophistication and ideological unity that is too generous. I am reminded of Krauthammer’s razor: “In explaining any puzzling Washington phenomenon, always choose stupidity over conspiracy, incompetence over cunning. Anything else gives them too much credit.” Sure, there’s astroturf, but semi-organized rage is about all I will give them.

By Stephen Stromberg  | September 28, 2009; 5:23 PM ET
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There is nothing organized about the right. I wish there were. Instead we have half or more of the country by most polls fed up with the left's increasingly shocking encroachments on our liberty. If you age, by two and a half centuries, the vernacular of the writers who dismiss the loud and often anger sharpened rhetoric coming from the people who oppose nationalized healthcare, you will end up with similar language used by the British press and the King's supporters in the colonies.

No there is nothing organized about the people who prefer liberty over tyranny. But you can bet there soon will be.

Posted by: tsobserver | September 28, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

You young man, are an incredible neophyte. Read the Declaration of Independence. You have never been out and tried to start a company, run a farm, or done anything that remotely introduced you to the incredible challenges that true innovative entrepreneurs - the people that HALF OF THE COUNTRY WORKS FOR - have had to put up with. You glass-tower Liberal elitists sit in your lofty perches, and pass judgment on the hardworking Americans who built and maintain the economy of this country. Keep talking trash about us, call us names, do what you want - you might have gotten what you wished for in Obama and the power driven Liberal control of Congress, but I sincerely hope that one day you will realize the damage you all are doing to the future of this country, and try to turn it around. Fiscal responsibility is the only American path we have, unless Socialism finally takes over. Your words are not written on a level where I'm inclined to think you could even hold your own in the most basic conversation about political ideology. All you know is that Obama is not Bush, but beyond that, you still suffer from a blind love affair. Learn your Country's history before you attempt to write about events of the day as if you are some expert. When you get old enough to shave, then you can criticize the other kids, at least until they graduate.

Posted by: TwoDog1 | September 28, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Grotesque nescience is shown by those right wingers trying to excoriate the left. They speak of socialism without even knowing what it is. One guy speaks of knowning the history of this country but doesn't seem to realise something that most of the people of the world know about America. America was conceived in slavery and genocide. No socialist country began as a slave state. And just so you know, slavery is the opposite of freedom (for the enslaved as well as the enslaver).

Posted by: wiseonesun | September 28, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

The word 'conspiracy' infers a "secret plan"..so to speak. Truth is, there's nothing very secret about the conservative backlash against an inept plan to restructure health care in the US, and a government bailout of private companies. The middle class has finally started to rebel against higher taxes and an elitist goevernment that has continuously let them down. So happens that Obama is now presiding over all of this. People wanted change and now they realize that all that is instore is more of the same garbage that they've been through time and time again. Hello!...people are tired of being lied to and having to make sacrifices finacially when their own government can't or won't tighten it's own belt.

Posted by: birnster | September 28, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Nobody is alleging a "Vast Right Wing" Conspiracy. To be a conspiracy people have to be conspiring in secret. There is nothing secret about the various campaigns being conducted by the Right Wing Idiocracy;

One can trace an American Style linkage between ideas that origin in some think-tank, or lobbyists website and gradually work their way down to the real nuts;(Michael Savage, and other second rate talk show hosts, plus right wing preachers and local politicos, after passing through the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, and others, including Mr. Krauthammer -- who know how to use coded language or parse their wording.

There is no mistaking what the right wants:
1. No community services if possible, short of that privatized services.
2. Corporate Socialism in the form of contracts, Defense payouts and DoJ spending.
3. Minimum interference in business unless directed by business.

Those are simple goals. The rest is all window dressing and tactics. Ordinary people are led to think the right is after abolishing abortion, locking up foreigners, or establishing order. Those goals are all expendable on the road to profit.

Posted by: chris_holte | September 28, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Bill and Hillary's involvement with Whitewater fraud and Bill's dalliance with Monica brought huge embarrassment to themselves and the Nation. That America, and particularly the right, were supportive of aggressive investigation angered the Clinton's greatly and claims of conspiracy were squealed as their political reputations were appropriately scrutinized and criticized. To many, that so many others were convicted in Whitewater and the Clinton's escaped was very fishy.

Now that Obama policies are being challenged, Bill Clinton wants to stir up the conspiracy again with hopes he can hurt the right and make their analysis and criticism of Obama and his policies as some big master plan.

Clinton's right wing conspiracy is nothing more than sour grapes and continued national embarrassment.

Posted by: 2009frank | September 28, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Who do you want to listen to? Polls that say that 55 percent of the country or more hate the idea that maybe we could fix health care, or a recent election that categorically gave Democrats the responsibility to fix our failed health care system and international policy? Which is correct?

Maybe Republicans should spend more time thinking about how MOST Americans are incapable of using our current health care system, and come up with a way to fix it in a way that ascribes to their fiscally conservative values, and less time thinking about doing ridiculous things like posting polls on Facebook about whether or not the PRESIDENT should be assassinated (seriously Republicans? Assassinated? Do you have a COMPLETELY different idea of what Patriotism is than everyone else in the world?).

Also, just saying: Our country wasn't founded on Slavery and Genocide. Anymore than Germany was, or anywhere else was. Those are unfortunate things that have happened ALL OVER THE WORLD, and while they were horrible, it's time to realize that generally, we've moved on.

Democrats to the left of me (a normal guy) and Republicans to the right.

Posted by: JCain01 | September 29, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Obama makes space cadets look like rocket scientists.

He is just so stupid. He lied and ran as a centrist and now he is governing as a far, far Leftist. If Americans wanted socialism, they can move to one of the numerous countries that has it.

Liberty lovers have nowhere to go and we will make our stand here. There is no conspiracy just lots of angry individuals who have been pushed too far.

My advice to those doing the pushing? Get out and move somewhere more socialist where you will feel more comfortable.

Posted by: bug45 | September 29, 2009 1:08 AM | Report abuse

No, no, Junior. No right-wing conspiracy. Just the majority of Americans disgusted by the socialist agenda of the inept community organizer in chief. You're dismissed.

Posted by: wmpowellfan | September 29, 2009 2:25 AM | Report abuse

Of course there is a right-wing conspiracy! It is lavishly funded by the likes of plutocrat billionaires Rupert Murdoch and Richard Mellon Scaife and the special interest groups and oligopolies that benefitted so handsomely from the waste and corruption that were the hallmark of the George W. Bush regime. Fox News, NewsMax, the American Enterprise Institute, etc. are all working in concert to undo the results of the last election.

Posted by: MJR3 | September 29, 2009 2:25 AM | Report abuse

There ain't no conspiracy, there's a Confederacy...of Dunces...and on both sides of the partisan divide.

Talk about second-hand stupidity! (which is a lot worse than second-hand smoke).

Olbermann thinks he's a genius, and Glenn Beck has a faux Da Vinci code in his head, connecting Acorn, Williams Ayers, the death of Amelia Earhart, and the invention of deep-fried butter.

Posted by: berniesilverman | September 29, 2009 4:12 AM | Report abuse

GOP=God Awful, Pricks

Posted by: robertcyunk | September 29, 2009 4:25 AM | Report abuse

GOP=God Awful Pricks

Posted by: robertcyunk | September 29, 2009 4:26 AM | Report abuse

Call it whatever you care to call it. There is a dangerous right wing element alive and well in the U.S. today.

This became obvious watching the conduct and listenening to the remarks at the so called "town meetings" this past summer.

The TV interview of a demonstrator openly carrying an automatic weapon while demonstrating outside a building where the President of the United States was speaking was but one example of the dangerous atmosphere that is present in the extreme right wing movement.

This is a movement inflamed by right wing radio "talk shows" and endorsed and coddled to by the Republican Party.


Posted by: WESHS49 | September 29, 2009 5:34 AM | Report abuse

There is no "vast
right-wing conspiracy". What truly exists instead is a vast grassroots (not astroturf) groundswell of opposition to the Obama/Pelosi/Reid left-wing policies that threaten to bankrupt this country, leave it defenseless against its enemies and control its industry all under the dubious mantra of "change". There are better ways of reforming the costs and delivery of health care, but Obama and his liberal allies barely even pay lip service to tort reform that conservatives have proposed and that would clearly and significantly lower the cost of health care through the savings in malpractice insurance and the elimination of unnecessary expensive tests given for the sake of defensive medicine. The American taxpayer is getting sick of being stuck with the bill for liberal big government programs that prove to be little more than expensive boondoggles. There is no such thing as a "free lunch", but the liberals like Obama and Pelosi keep pushing their health care takeover program as though people are going to get "something for nothing". There will be losers in this fight...and it will be the American Taxpayer and all of those millions of people who find themselves with much worse healthcare than before. Yes, people are angry and are expressing it. But the liberals are crying because their own well-used tactics of disrupting public discussions are finally being used against them. Don't blame conservatives for the tone of discourse. Blame Code Pink and their ilk. They led the way.... What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Posted by: honorswar26 | September 29, 2009 6:21 AM | Report abuse

Obama is dealing with enormous problems created by or exacerbated by eight years of Republican control. Those who angrily reject him as a socialist forget that it was Bush who first bailed out Wall Street, after having allowed it to lead us over a cliff, and that their health insurance companies--if they aren't on Medicare--are fairweather servants of their health, perfectly willing to cut them loose if possible instead of paying the bills for a severe health crisis. Where's the anger on the right against Republican incompetence? Or is it that this anger is projected onto Obama?

Posted by: hbutler192 | September 29, 2009 6:21 AM | Report abuse

There is not a conspiracy but there is a vast hate machine. Listen to Nazi radio every day and hear them; 100% of what the President does is 100% wrong 100% of the time. He is a socialist, facist dictator, etc., etc. they have not said he is a canibal yet. That is probably to come.

Posted by: orange3 | September 29, 2009 6:41 AM | Report abuse

If any of the liberal hypocrites posting here would read their own comments, they would see that there are hateful and mindless partisans on both sides.

The only people who don't understand that are the hateful and mindless partisans themselves? Rush's dittoheads and the MoveOn crowd are all the same. They just hate different people.

In 2008 liberals were bleating that "Dissent was Patriotic". What a bunch of hypocrites.

Posted by: bobmoses | September 29, 2009 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Stupid is as stupid does.

Posted by: Tomcat3 | September 29, 2009 7:21 AM | Report abuse

WaPo: Still, “conspiracy” probably isn’t the best word for it -- the term connotes an organizational sophistication and ideological unity that is too generous. True. Only publicly financed socialist world order apparats have the means to do that. Note:

News Item: "To propel the PSUV's (Venezuelan Socialists) national mobilization plan (with street patrols using force), Venezuela will host an international conference of leftist and revolutionary political parties from October 6th to 9th, according to a group of national PSUV leaders, including Labor Minister Maria Cristina Iglesias.

The conference will include concerts, workshops, discussion of the formation of peace bases, and a commemoration of Ernesto "Che" Guevara, the hero of the Cuban revolution who was killed by CIA-backed Bolivian forces while leading guerrilla insurgents in Bolivia on October 8th, 1967."

The 'hero' Che Guevara had a plan to steal Russian nukes in Cuba and detonate them in New Orleans and Miami. The Democratic Socialists of America Party will be attending this conference honoring Guevara.

It isn't a 'right wing' conspiracy that needs to be feared; it is the formation of totalitarian entities in America whose only desire is power over people who create wealth; the industrious middle class. You do that by creating massive government elites whose loyalty is entirely centered on the government mechanisms that support them, note ACORN. That totalitarian adherency conference (with pre-paid airline tickets and beach facilities ) is paid for by Venezuelan working people where the new street patrols make sure they stay at work as serfs. Viva la Nueva Sierva de la Gleba!

Posted by: jarob | September 29, 2009 7:23 AM | Report abuse

orange3 is a fine example of such hypcorsiy.

He calls conservative radio "Nazi radio" and then goes on to whine that Obama is called a "facist dictator". So just to be clear, liberals can call people Nazis, but conservatives can't.

Maybe both flavors of mindless partisan should just shut up for a while and let the sane people talk.

Posted by: bobmoses | September 29, 2009 7:24 AM | Report abuse

I am still confused about the liberties that our President wants to take away. Are these claims coming from the nutcases that are hoarding ammunition and guns lest they be taken away or are they coming from the Rush Limbaugh inspired who listen to his lies? The Republican party spent years systematically dismembering the middle class so that only the lords and the serfs remain. What I find fascinating is how many of the under $100K per year population went along because the Bush administration was able to make fear of the Muslim world the number one priority. The Bush-Cheney administration was the biggest affront to the Constitution since it was written. Where were the nay-sayers when the people were lied to and led into a war that should never have been started?

Posted by: Denny_98 | September 29, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

The right has always had a strong racist element, they are just more open now. What we have to remember is that they are about 20% of us and can be ignored.

Posted by: calif-joe | September 29, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Well, "conspiracy", sure, but I'd only give the "right wing" so much credit for being organized. The "far right" is tolerated by the so-called moderate-right for one reason. They are both in the minority and with polls showing only 23% of Americans calling themselves "republicans", it seems "the right" as a whole has to accept ANYONE who seems to share "enemies" with them.

So, while I do not believe everyone on the "right" is racist or anti-govt, they DO largely tolerate and accept such philosophies. This will ultimately be their downfall. The GOP proves time and again that they neither reinvent themselves nor keep their own philosphical house clean.

It is the "right's" tendencies that doom America to a one-party system.

Posted by: free-donny | September 29, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Calif-Joe

I was wondering when someone would trot out the tired "conservatives are racists" banner. blah blah blah

The welfare state and addicting those less fortunate to government giveaways has done more to "enslave" minorities than the darkest most shameful days of our country's not so glorious past. It's being done with a smile and other peoples money.

Posted by: theduck6 | September 29, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

I've been serving my country as a United States Marine for the past 12 years and find it fascinating that no one said anything about spending(debt) when the previouse commander and chief sunk our country into war without any merrit. No one said anything when they were shipping my brothers and sisters back in body bags. Know it appears that Republicans (Racist) are so concerned about our debt. Our President is doing a great job with the garbage he was left. Bottom line it has nothing to do with the policy, it's the color of his skin that bothers people who speak out. I'm a white American who appreciates what the President is doing. Because I hated leaving my wife and two kids for no reason and this President gets it. SO KEEP YOUR HATE TO YOURSELF. Serve your country then speak to the others who have.

Posted by: chrisbris74 | September 29, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

So, if some people (i.e., 59%) disagree with Obama, they are "mean spirited". Hah! Welcome to the real world, sporto. Go do something productive where you need to think and be creative. As a writer, you are bereft of the ability to make a cogent, facual, and persuasive argument. Of course, the WaPo (predictable, establishment) lives up to (low) expectations daily with pieces like you have written here.

Posted by: dkoflynn01 | September 29, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

To the Duck, respectively, what is your point of view? Do the calls of "racism" hold true? I believe some racism exists everywhere in all countries against some group.

Do you agree that the "right wing" in America is no exception? And the miscreant who shot up the Halocaust Museum and murdered a guard - was he aligned on the "right"?

Honestly curious. Let's boil down our terms and foundations for this issue.

Posted by: free-donny | September 29, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

dkoflynn, please clarify. Who said: (1) that 59% of people disagree with President Obama? (2) Which people? (3) About what do they disagree with him? (4) Who ever said that folks have to agree with him?

I read back and am not seeing any of this. Are you referring to a different article? Pardon if I missed something here. thx

Posted by: free-donny | September 29, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

I agree that a conspiracy is kept secret and the opposition to Obama and his policies is no secret.

I do see that the major networks are secretly filtering news and presenting news in a way to support Obama. That is closer to a "vast conspiracy".

Posted by: farmerjohn | September 29, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Assuming that a right-wing conspiracy exists to criticise Democratic Party presidents, then was there a left-wing conspiracy behind the attacks on George W. Bush, well before he occupied The White House? There was no attack too low or too over the top for the looney left in this country. If it weren't a conspiracy, it surely was, as one commenter wrote, a Confederacy of Dunces. The truth, if anyone cares, is that it doesn't matter who wins or loses our elections; the people who buy the winners never change.

Posted by: sailhardy | September 29, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

farmerjohn, interesting view, examples?
Honestly first, I view things as the opposite, that while President Obama speaks a lot on TV. He receives a lot of negative press (not just Fox News Network). So, I don't suppose 24 hours of Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove, and Glen Beck will be your examples? thx

Posted by: free-donny | September 29, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

sailhardy, examples? We all already know about calls for accountbility levied against former Prez Bush (though there should have been more), but I am in the dark about the conspiracy on the left...(though I'm not saying it does not exist).

Posted by: free-donny | September 29, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

"The welfare state and addicting those less fortunate to government giveaways has done more to "enslave" minorities than the darkest most shameful days of our country's not so glorious past."
************

lol so you're really saying the "welfare state" is worse than actual slavery??? in your little mind it would be BETTER to have slavery than the supposed "welfare state"????? unbelievable!!

Posted by: squier13 | September 29, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Stromberg, you are, I'm sure, a very nice young man. However, being nice aside, you are also, understandably naive. Could it be, is it possible, that you underwent a plan of liberal indoctrination while pursuing your degree in Journalism? Have you ever heard the phrase: Journalism is dead? Question for you: Is it not true, that most professors of Journalism are avowed leftist? Mr. Stromberg, with all due respect, you have unknowingly become Obotomised. PS The American people are not, I repeat, not "ASTROTURF," shame on you.

Posted by: khm53 | September 29, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Dear right wingers,

up yours!

Sincerely,

Adrienne

Posted by: adrienne_najjar | September 29, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

khm53, I actually agree with you that the America people are not astroturf. However, those who believe as we do SHOULD consider, "are the American people in danger of becoming astroturf?" If the crud we see on "reality TV" and 24 hour "news" networks is any indication, we are on our way!

Posted by: free-donny | September 29, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

dkoflynn01: Your rambling and the misuse of the English language is a clear argument that you haven't read this article nor do you understand government policy. Sad, that you can't hide behind your FOX NEWS facts, and this Marine hasn't cried yet after protecting people like you for over 12 years. If you in the D.C area let me know I'll give you my adress.

Posted by: chrisbris74 | September 29, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

To those that are deeply concerned about massive government spending, higher taxes, socialism, etc. etc. under the Obama administration, where was this same concern when it was being done by the Bush administration? This is beyond tiring already.

Posted by: JKJ88 | September 29, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

There is totally a right wing conspiracy out there to make Obama look bad. In fact, that conspiracy set up a democratic revolution in Iran where protestors were being killed in the streets, and then made Obama studiously ignore it in favor of worrying about one of his buddies in Cambridge who likes to yell at cops. These damn conservatives also make Obama go on tv 23 hours a day and blather away about everything under the sun, and then do nothing.

Also, they make his teleprompter collapse.

In fact, these right wing conspiracy masterminds are so diabolical, they keep making Obama give these hilarious out of touch speeches about nuclear disarmament while Iran is building nukes and testing missiles at the same time. If not for these conservatives, who somehow didn't manage to get their own guy elected, Obama would totally be the next FDR, working hard to stamp out militant Islamic nuke building that threatens to rain atomic fire on all the nations of the Earth. Instead, because of that conspiracy, Obama is an ineffectual walking soundbite who shrinks from the moment like a startled groundhog spotting his shadow and retreating for another 6 weeks of appeasement. Curse you, right wing conspiracy jerks! Curse youuuuu!

Posted by: zippyspeed | September 29, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Don't blame the disorganized right-wing for the Democrat failings. It has been said before and is still true:

Democrats form firing squads in circles.

If they were smart (big IF), the Republicans would simply stand aside as the Democrats tore each other up over health care, Afghanistan, Iran, and the failed housing recovery.

Posted by: mellwood1 | September 29, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Zipperseed do you even read history when you refer to Iran, boohoo!I guess you thought going into Iraq was a good idea. No administration has done anything to intervene in Africa. But you will probably come back with some Republican excuse.

Posted by: chrisbris74 | September 29, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Here is something to think about people: If you must resort to calling people names while trying to state your point, you probably don't have much of an argument

Posted by: maurban | September 29, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I apologize it was a typo, I wasn't calling anyone names I was referring to the individuals user ID. So if I offended anyone (MAURBAN) please except my sincere apology from this government servant.

Posted by: chrisbris74 | September 29, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I disagree. There is quite a bit of organization on the right. There is a huge web of foundations, schools, lobbyists -- all funded by industry and wealth and dedicated to preserving the status quo which enriches them and impoverishes many of the rest of us. There is an entire cable network -- FOX -- dedicated to spreading rightwing propaganda, and many, many hundreds of rightwing talk radio shows, all echoing very similar points, which is why you hear their simple-minded listeners parroting the same tired lines over and over again -- like:

' the left's increasingly shocking encroachments on our liberty.'

I hear this kind of nonsense constantly. And if you ask this people what exactly h as been taken awayfrom them, which 'liberties' and 'freedoms' they now don't have -- they can't even answer -- because it is all a sham and a lie.

Posted by: drindl | September 29, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

To those that are deeply concerned about massive government spending, higher taxes, socialism, etc. etc. under the Obama administration, where was this same concern when it was being done by the Bush administration? This is beyond tiring already.

Posted by: JKJ88 |

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Let's ask the question the other way around for once, shall we? Why is it that people who were critical of how much money we have been spending over 8 years in Iraq or Afghanistan now suddenly not at all concerned that we have quadrupled that amount of spending in a mere 6-8 months?? That's right, not years...MONTHS.

But I will answer your question. There are many of us who did complain, not necessarily about war spending, which we believed to be a necessity, but about all of the domestic largesse during the Bush presidency.

And now that profligate spending has increased astronomically. And we are not going to shut up about it. I'll use a word the left enjoys, so maybe you'll understand better. This amount is spending is NOT SUSTAINABLE. One of these days, you are going to get that. And that day will probably be when this proposed health care plan destroys medical care in this country. Or when you get a little older and realize, nope, sorry, there's no Social Security money left for you.

Add to that the fact that this inexperienced neophyte of a President (something many of us also warned about) hasn't the first clue when it comes to foreign policy, and we're all pretty [bleeping] worried. And it's not 20% of America, it is MUCH of America and growing every day.

Is this President REALLY going over to Copenhagen to talk about the Olympics when Iran is testing missiles that could reach Europe, and we are STILL in a recession after his failed stimulus? REALLY?

Did our envoy to Sudan REALLY just offer milk, cookies and gold stars to the genocidal Sudanese war criminals? (his words, not mine) REALLY?

Did we REALLY just give up missile defense in Eastern Europe only to have Russia turn around and tell the world that "sanctions do not work" when it comes to Iran? REALLY?

Has our President REALLY only spoken to our commander in the field in Afghanistan ONCE in the last 70 days? REALLY?

Wake up, people. This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. And Barack Obama is not the solution. He is the problem.

Posted by: etpietro | September 29, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Stromberg, your first two commenters do a wonderful job of proving your point! People who talk in slogans and buzz words about liberty, socialism, and the like, instead of engaging in a constructive discussion on the issues, really don't contribute at all to solving any of the problems in this country. We on the left had to suffer through 8 years of Bush-Cheney, and we had had enough. The result of 8 years of gross mismanagement, incompetence, and the trampling of America's ideals and principles, especially by Mr. Cheney (who really should be in jail) resulted in the Democrats winning this election. Going forward, it will be our agenda, thank you very much, that gets advanced, unless or until the right-wingers generate enough votes to win (and I think that will be quite a while - these people are loud beyond their numbers).

I have heard the right-wingers say things like "I just want my country back." Well guess what it's not yours, it's all of ours, and you NEED to respect the results of the election, and try to work within the system to acheive your goals. It's challenging, and you won't get your way very much, but it's called DEMOCRACY....not socialism, not facism, not communism, it's the rule of the MAJORITY. That's why we have elections....

Last but not least, if you know anything about the run-up to the Civil War, there are dsiturbing similarities in recent events such as the Joe Wilson outburst in Cognress etc. It seems to me that a hard-core group of the right-wing nutjobs may be working themselves into such a frenzy that there will be no outlet except violence. Couple this with our continued rediculously lax gun laws and you have a recipe for disaster. This is what worries me the most about these people....

Posted by: timothywayne | September 29, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

There is obviously no vast right wing conspiracy.
There is a substantial number of wealthy people who used to play with words "values", "liberty', "religion" and so on.
They have been playing golf in closed clubs while effectively manipulating minds of millions by mixture of fears, lies, deficit of education... And it goes on and on and on.

Posted by: vanitsky | September 29, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse


I agree "conspiracy" is giving these dead-ender 20%er clowns too much credit.

But when you have Talk Radio, FOX and a lazy MSM as willing accomplices and cheerleaders for self-destructive behavior, it's not hard to wonder who'll be killed and marked with "fed" next.

Just sayin'. I'll stop when you stop, okay?

The Confederacy wasn't very well organized and we know how that turned out.

I recall the secessionist states (pre-rogue-led Alaska) were opposed to a strong central government. The side with one won. Do we have to go through this again? Because I know what side I would pick.

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | September 29, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

tsobserver wrote: "Instead we have half or more of the country by most polls fed up with the left's increasingly shocking encroachments on our liberty."

Dear tsobserver:
Are these 'polls' hallucinations or willful fabrications?

Except for a single national pollster (the chronically specious Rasmussen) every national polls shows 'half or more of the country' supports the current president of the United States of America.

On important legislative efforts, every legitimate independent poll, except for one (the chronically specious Rasmussen) 'half or more of the country' either supports the legislative effort or has answered 'no opinion.'

On the question of whether the nation is 'heading in the right direction or on the wrong track,' the number of Americans in every legitimate poll (with the exception of the specious Rasmussen) answering "right direction' has more than doubled since Jan. 20, 2009.

On the question of party identification, every legitimate poll -- including Rasmussen -- finds the number of Americans identifying themselves as Republicans has DROPPED since Jan. 20, 2009 to the lowest of the three major political identities in the United States of American. The number identifying as Democratic is the plurality, followed by independent.

And IMPORTANTLY, these poll results come after nearly two months of incessant claims of a groundswell of public opinion against the administration a clear majority of American voters elected into office less than a year ago.

A clear, unbiased look at the facts finds that the claim that 'half or more of the country' disagree or are 'fed up with' the work of the current president of the United States of America is not supported. The claim is hogwash, hokum, balderdash, or whatever.

If one wishes, and one were ill-mannered a 'man' as Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C., one might use Wilson's word to describe this 'half the country or more' claim.

Posted by: 1EgoNemo | September 29, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Free donny: From the Rassmussen poll: "Just 41% of voters nationwide now favor the health care reform proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That’s down two points from a week ago and the lowest level of support yet measured." Because only 41% agree, that would mean that 59% don't agree.

With respect to "what article are you reading...?" and your list of points, from Mr. Stromberg's article above: "Though these aren't necessarily a phenomenon only of the right, government-hating hyper-conservatives' space-cadet backlash to Obama doesn’t help." A reasonable person would interpret that as a criticism of conservatives and characterization there of - or shorthand as "mean spirited"

Now, Free Donny, I need to get back to work so I can make enough money to pay my taxes so I can keep the car companies, financial houses, people who want free healthcare, foreclosure types, and the multitude of others with their hands out happy. The lefty slogan of the day: "From each according to his abiliites, from each according to his needs."


Posted by: dkoflynn01 | September 29, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

The real issue is the failure of liberalism. Liberals are basically children who never mature as they grow older. The wish to perpetuate childhood by having government replace Mom.

Liberals are all about the free luch...redistribution of wealth means they do not have to produce to live, so they are all about it.

Reality will prevail, it will take longer than it should because the media is liberal and that which rocks the narrative is not reported on.

Obama is but the thin resume'-empty suit "negro in the front office" of white liberalism aka leftwing Bill Ayers social justice agenda with a bit of Soros to help the ACORN MoveOn.

Posted by: georgedixon1 | September 29, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

It looks like the conservatives on this thread are getting pretty defensive. All this incompetent, socialism, communism speak is nonsense.

The fact is that the right just can not come to grips that they were VOTED out of office pretty handily and do not like the way the country is being governed. Fair enough, but perhaps if they actually had some ideas they would not have been voted out.

The fact is that this administration, while by no means perfect, is doing a decent job of trying to fix the problems in this country. If people don't like the ideas, come up with some of your own. Just using slogans, etc; suggest some decent ideas.

And by decent ideas, the old standbys like de-regulation don't quite work, as that is how we got into this mess in the first place.

Posted by: jjj141 | September 29, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Yes, that vast right wing conspiracy, fueled by the right, exposed all the tax cheats appointed by Obama and even went so far as to expose the workings of ACORN.
That is what the right wingers want, to expose the failings of the left and this just can't be allowed. What the left needs to do is to shut down Fox News and all news that isn't approved by the WH. Just like they are doing in Venuzula.
I have to ask, where are all the lefties now when Obama is running up deficits much bigger than Bush did? Awfully silent now.
How about the troops killed in Afghanastan? Shouldn't the coffins be lined up and printed all over the web, nightly news, and everywhere else the left demanded when Bush was in charge?
O the right wing conspiracy, where are you when we need you.
Obama in less than one year in the WH makes the 8 years of Bush look like the great times.

Posted by: secjet1 | September 29, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

The truth, it was the vast left wing conspiracy of the MSM that failed to inform the public of the real Obama and his policies that is the culprit here.
Even now they filter the news to make Obama look good. It is the liberal media that did it's best to make Bush look bad.
Instead of shining a light on the policies instituted by the liberal Democrats in congress in the 2006 election, they became part of the "blame Bush" conspiracy.
That is what we have to fear, the left leaning media that continually fuels the hatred and suspicion of anyone who is Republican and hides the news that needs to be reported. That is what we need to keep exposing and turning against. Thank God this is still a free country and talk radio, Fox news, and the internet keep us informed of what is really going on in the most corrupt and stupid administration and congress ever.

Posted by: secjet1 | September 29, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

secjet1: "That is what the right wingers want, to expose the failings of the left and this just can't be allowed"

Gee, I don't see anyone stopping them. Certainly not Fox News, the 24 hour propaganda channel.

You know what the right wing is all about? Pretending that Obama has been in office nine years instead of one, and that most of the current mess can be traced directly to guys named Newt, Frist, Delay, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and that other guy, the one with the smirk.

Pay not attention to that man behind the curtain, the one with the odd resemblance to Karl Rove...

Posted by: Samson151 | September 29, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Only the Left-wingers are organized kinda like the Nazi's of the 1930's.

Here are the vast "alpha" members of the left-wing:

1. Democrat Party
2. Liberal MSM wolfpack press (they helped installed Obama last November)
3. Elite left-ist Hollywood (they also helped install Obama, great propaganda)
4. Flamining liberal colleges and universities
5. MoveOn.org - they own and operate the Democrat Party
6. Mob-run Unions.......
7. Vampire trial lawyers (like John$400)

...........Well that's a good start....

Posted by: allenridge | September 29, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

It's not so much a conspiracy now, the Right just have no ideas and no credibility so that have nothing left but invective and opposition to any and all proposals from Obama. They don't even know what they are angry about - they suddenly are for Medicare, against spending money like water and deficits and suddenly against goverment intrusion in our lives - all of which they had no issue with for 8 years of Bush - Gee, i wonder why they wake up now??

Posted by: sux123 | September 29, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

dkoflynn, thanks for finally providing background for your point of view, it really was not evident from this article or poster's comments.

While Rasmussen is a conservative pollster, I would not call them a "tool of the right". I actually find them credible in gauging conservative viewpoints.

Your extrapolation of their polling numbers is a stretch, though. You eliminated the other response choices to create a converse number that you like. So, we'll have to agree to disagree. Thats why this country is great, the left can expound on the right-wing conspiracy, and the right can expound on the left-wing conspiracy...and we can actually elect a Black President. I think America is not done making progress...and perhaps we all agree that we have a long way to go.

Thanks for responding.

Posted by: free-donny | September 29, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Any time anyone uses the word Nazi - either from the left or the right - I dismiss your arguments out of hand. It's not only offensive but ridiculous except when talking of the neo-Nazi movement.

allenridge, your little diatribe is hateful, stupid, lazy, and shows a clear lack of scholarship. You should be ashamed but I doubt you are.

Posted by: kcbob | September 29, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

georgedixon1 wrote: "The real issue is the failure of liberalism."

Lee Atwater's work outlives him.

The screed that followed the above quoted comment is pure 1980. It wasn't true then and is even less true now.

What makes such commentary, as quoted above, especially laughable today, is that we living through an economic crisis that followed a period in which followers of 'conservatism' were in charge of all the positions of power, from the White House, to Congress, to Wall Street to the most-watched all-day news channel to the most-listened to radio voice.

The triumph of Reagan was that by 2004, liberals were on the run, shut out of politics, business, high finance and even the press -- Fox News is the most watched network, Bill O'Reilly is the most watched TV personality and Rush Limbaugh is the most-listened to human on radio.

And after these positions of power were in full use by conservatives, the economy failed.

'Failure of liberalism?' Where?

Liberalism as a force of any real power was expunged from the United States during the elections of 1980, 1984, 1988, 1994, 2000 and 2004. At least that is what conservatives told us.

So, if conservatives beat liberalism, and then the nation failed -- which the facts show to rational adults -- then the failure is the fault of conservatives, right?

Now the conservatives come back with this: We weren't conservative enough!

Hmm. De-regulation? Check. Tax cuts? Check. Pro-business policies? Check. Republican in the White House for FIVE of the LAST SEVEN presidential terms before 2009? Check! Bonafide conservative appointments to the Fed, U.S. Supreme Court and federal bureaucracy? Check.

Now let's check the results: .

QED, Mr. Dixon -- A failure of conservatism.

It was in charge and it a failed, spectacularly.

One can retreat into the soothing repetition of the lies Lee Atwater made come out of the mouth of Ronald Reagan, or one can review the facts as an adult.

The choice belongs to each person.

Posted by: 1EgoNemo | September 29, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Kcbob, amen brother. Allenridge and his buddies are on here making our point for us. There are no thoughts from these people, just silly, hateful ranting.....

Allenridge, I challenge you to post something about what you would do to fix health care? It's just one of many HUGE problems we face as a nation, but I'll bet you have no ideas or thoughts on the matter that aren't negative or slogan-based, something along the lines of "America's health care system is the greatest on earth, we should leave it alone....." etc. even though all intelligent people agree that it's an escalating disaster in need of major reform.

So if you have any IDEAS about how to actually get things done, here's a challenge. Post one, just one, constructive suggestion for how we should move forward on health care, no ranting, no slogans, no hatred....a constructive approach to the problem.

My money says you can't do it, but go ahead, give it a shot and prove me wrong...

Posted by: timothywayne | September 29, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

dkoflynn01 wrote: "Because only 41% agree, that would mean that 59% don't agree."

Isn't it interesting that Rasmussen, unlike every other pollster on the topic, does not allow people to answer "I don't know," "Have no opinion" or "Need more information."

Apparently, if you're making up your mind, you don't help Mr. Rasmussen get the result he wants.

Posted by: 1EgoNemo | September 29, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I feel like I walked into a Foxpublikan hate filled town hall. Just reading some of these posts, you can tell that the party that we fired last year is so full of hate that its lemmings are executing the plan of the Nazi err FauxNews and hate radio. The Foxpublikan aka the Grand nO Party is out of ideas and it's dying a slow death. All your hate will not attract more diversity to your tent. You and your handlers can continue to spew all sorts of drivel fed to you by the Real Nazis, Rush Limpballs, Glen "Stir Crazy" Beck, Sean Manatee. You need to get some new bogeymen, because you never for a New York minute did not teabag your hero for the past 8 years and his puppet masters help sink us in the current hole. Your thuggish fear mongering no longer works. And let me remind you that most of us in Blue States pay for your welfare. Your side has been present, but absent with ideas at the critical debates that face working Americans. You can scream all you want, but we're not going to be intimidated. Look what intimidation did in the rest of the world. You never complained about how much was spent in Iraq, and you scream bloody murder when we request to have the previous war criminal regime vigorously investigated. I can see your patriotism on display with your flag pins and your flags flying over your home. What a sick and evil crew!

Posted by: numbers28 | September 29, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Krugman was right about the right wing and the GOP in particular. They talk about social order, values, reducing taxes and supporting business all day. When it comes time to govern though all they do is cut taxes (for the very rich) and foster an environment where big business can stomp all over citizens and smaller business.

They completely sacrifice the social agenda to accomplish their economic goals. Foolish poor right wingers support them because they still hold onto the silly belief that the GOP will instill their Amish values by law AND they'd be a part of the top of the pyramid someday with 90% of the wealth of the nation.

Well put down your meth pipe right wingers.....you're being used and you'll be tossed in the prom night dumpster as soon as the party continues to lose elections with you as a shrinking base.

Posted by: theobserver4 | September 29, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

“Foxpublikan hate, hate, lemmings, plan of the Nazi err FauxNews, hate radio Grand nO Party, hate, the Real Nazis, Rush Limpballs, Glen "Stir Crazy" Beck, Sean Manatee, bogeymen, puppet masters, thuggish fear mongering, absent with ideas, you scream bloody murder ,the previous war criminal regime , What a sick and evil crew!”

Yes numbers28, it's the right wing that's full of hate, isn't it?

Posted by: AkCoyote | September 29, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

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