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Obama, crazy like a -- yes -- fox

One thing you can count on in Washington is that the conventional wisdom is likely to be wrong. That makes me want to reconsider my opinion about the White House’s decision to wage open warfare against Fox News. I’m now wondering if it might not be shrewd, even Machiavellian -- and for an administration that’s always getting pounded for being too nicey-nice, that’s a compliment.

My initial reaction was the same as that of Ruth Marcus and virtually all of my peers in the Washington media establishment: Are they nuts? I thought it was beyond absurd to draw parallels to Richard Nixon’s enemies list, as some commentators have done; Nixon’s thuggish paranoia was in a class by itself, in no way comparable to Obama’s polite freeze-out of Fox. But I couldn’t understand what the White House hoped to gain by elevating Fox News to the status of rival. I thought the president should be above this sort of thing -- you know the old proverb, “The dogs may bark, but the caravan moves on.” Plus, when you’re arguing with a 24-hour cable network, it’s axiomatic that you can never have the last word. Why give Fox the chance to have a field day?

But it bothered me that virtually everyone I knew felt the same way. And then I came across a piece by media writer Michael Wolff in which he posits an interesting theory: That this might be a shrewd gambit to draw bright lines around the Fox “no to everything” line. If the ideological struggle can be defined as Fox viewers vs. everybody else, the White House wins.

So what I said on television last night and in my washingtonpost.com chat today might have been premature. I said the anti-Fox campaign was ill-advised. Now, I’m wondering whether the White House might be crazy like a -- yes -- fox.

By Eugene Robinson  | October 20, 2009; 5:00 PM ET
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right-ho. it's gonna take a few years for the people in the washington media village to catch up to obama. here all his spokesmen did was highlight a simple fact. many of the same pundits who couldn't call bush's administration on its lies now tut-tut about an obama administration truth. and you were smart to catch yourself before (well, right after) leaping into the conventional wisdom's shallow and muddy pond. fox nation vs. obama nation is a no contest obama win everywhere but in the south and the mormon belt of the mountain west. and those places where nobody lives are electorally useless anyway as long as the dems keep the real cities. good work. you did your job, which is to explain things right, even if it took two tries.

Posted by: natty-bumppo | October 20, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

You ain't get it Eugene.
It is time for Emmanuel and Axelrod to show off their power to say whatever they want. They chose Fox. One more PR stunt.
Watch out when they commit Obama to attack Iran.

Posted by: SouthStar | October 20, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

No, your first instinct was correct - it is a waste of everybody's time except for the 'media' who can't get enough of it's naval these days. Fox has decent journalists, e.g Britt Hume, Juan Williams, etc. Why draw 'bright lines' with Fox watchers - talk about putting people in a box. Do we really need our leadership egging on the us vs them nonsense? What will be achieved? When will victory be declared. How about all sides declare victory and move on? If you don't like Fox, don't watch it.

Posted by: rnelson10 | October 20, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Looks like medicinal marijuana is being enjoyed by more folks than I thought.

Posted by: GordonShumway | October 20, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I usually agree with you Eugene , and of course I agree with your change of heart . BUT how could you not immediately rejoice at the W.H. putting FOX in it's right ( and I mean RIGHT ) place .

Posted by: la-mute | October 20, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Come one Geno, you called it right the first time. Small minded people have small minded ways and cannot stand or understand criticism of any kind. Our president is showing very "small" tendancies.

Posted by: rogerherd | October 20, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Eugene; Obama ACORN Head is immature and childish by accusing FOX News of not being a valid media source. Only FOX had the gull to run the investigative reporting to reveal the CORRUPTION of ACORN and Van Jones. Of course, you are a whining Liberal that believes in a nanny state and free handouts, so you support the Socialistic Policies of this Corrupt Obama ACORN Head.

Posted by: usausa2 | October 20, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Barack Hussein Obama aka. Babooma The Organ Grinder's Monkey does not have the first clue about what to do.

His handlers grind the organ and Babooma dance.

Babooma having an independent thought in his head, ROTFLMAO.

Posted by: panielsen | October 20, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm....I've tried to 'stay above the fray' on this burgeoning crisis of critical (should that be capped or explained?) faculties among my fellow Americans...but, those bright lines force me to acknowledge that I am disgusted to the point of being distraught over what passes for the 4th estate these days. Yes, I have practiced the journalistic profession and what I see today seldom comes close to the ethic that was the center of my doctoral thesis. Simply not watching Fox seems to beg the issue. Tolerated folks who poison the water of intelligent debate by...moving downstream...is not responsible.

Posted by: retro38 | October 20, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama ACORN Head is upset because the TRUTH hurts, and only FOX and the WSJ have the professionalism to do real investigative reporting to uncover the WASTE, FRAUD, ABUSE, and LIES of this Corrupt Obama ACORN Head. The TRUTH was substantiated by Congress and the White House by Cutting Funds to ACORN and by VAN JONES resigning. FOX SHOULD BE COMMENDED!

Posted by: usausa2 | October 20, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Stifling dissent is always a goal of the radical left. Consider the Soviet Union.

Posted by: pkhenry | October 20, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Eugene, you've been around forever, but you act like you just fell off the boat. You are not AGREEING with a White House strategy as much as you are INVENTING one. Your source for this strategy is another journalist? You have just self-fulfilled the Fox accusation, that journalists have lost their integrity. I know you're "rah-rah" Obama, but are you so willing to stake your future on it? Why don't you investigate REAL issues, and give your own take on it. Who is Anita Dunn and why does she love Mao? Why is Van Jones not the subject of intense scrutiny? What's going on in Kingston, NC? The only STRATEGY they have is to fraudulently win elections or, worse, remove the democratic voting process. Here comes the monarchy. And then?

Posted by: gengar843 | October 20, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Tolerating, not tolerated. Sorry....

Posted by: retro38 | October 20, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with blunt honesty? Calling Fox "News" what it is...radical right-wing propaganda for stupid people...would seem to be fairly straightfoward. Almost everybody that tunes in for two minutes can see exactly what it is. Why pretend it's anything else? People that watch that garbage deserve to be isolated from America. Too bad they can't all wear red tattoos on their foreheads so we'll all know when to get our children into the house.

Posted by: wilder5121 | October 20, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Who cares?

Democrats will say Fox News is an arm of the RNC.

Republicans will say MSNBC is an arm of the DNC.

Does it really matter, or do we want our soldiers out of Iraq; nuclear weapons out of the hands of Iran and North Korea; Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri D-E-A-D; Pakistan stabilized; American soldiers out of Afghanistan; our economy back to normal; health care insurance costs down, with reduced out of pocket; pay off America's national debt; increased manufacturing and more agricultural products grown here in the US; and generate enough jobs to get our country back to full employment where we can stop the climbing foreclosure rates?

These issues wouldn't be mutually exclusive if we could only get the clowns in Washington to lose the rhetoric and work for the people instead of the K Street Lobbyists.

But, why am I so pessimistic?


Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere | October 20, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama et.al. were pointing out the obvious - FOX IS BIASED. Perhaps a better analogy would be they were the child who pointed out the King had no clothes? And of course Fox is fanning the flames hoping it will drive up their ratings. We are indeed an interesting species . . .

Posted by: truthseeker13 | October 20, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

The Obama Admin has a lot of potential ammunition. Fox HAS often stepped over the line separating news and opinion, with news reports that include clips of the Pres and VP, which were edited by Fox to make it seem they were saying things opposite of what they actually said. And the whole thing with the "tea parties" and the 9/12 March, where the news department essentially treated these events manufactured by fox's ministry of propaganda as if they were actually grass roots events. Fox can try to spin this, but when it comes down to it, they will not be able to defend their shoddy, unethical, fraudulent attempts at propaganda disguised as journalism.

Posted by: bwtoppel | October 20, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

It will be a wash. Obama will be perceived as losing this fight only to those that think Fox has any credibility at all. For the rest of us living in the real world, it doesn't change a thing.

Posted by: goexplode | October 20, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Once you get past the Simpson's, it's all crap on Fox.

Posted by: xraywp | October 20, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Wise people change their minds....and the humble admit to it. I like it!

Posted by: martymar123 | October 20, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama, for all his excellent political instincts, grew up and lives in a world where anything that is not left of center is pretty much dismissed as being the product of the "bitter people" and their right wing corporate manipulators.

That is why he can say, and truly believe, that all people who oppose his basic assumptions on health care are political partisans (and those who are manipulated by them via FOX News etc.)

The popularity of FOX News is evidence that this perception is not accurate. FOX became the most popular cable news not because they were able to brainwash a huge chunk of America-it is because America is a center right country and it was pure genius of Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch to create a news network which catered to this "niche".

I have no doubt that your assessment of the Machiavellian motivation is correct--it is just that they are operating under the wrong assumptions.

Posted by: beckychr007 | October 20, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

"Polite freezeout"?... Give me a break! This administration's idea of "payback" makes Nixon look rational.... Rahmbo Emmanuel's Chicago style bullying is the antithesis of everything President Obama said he stood for. This makes them all look like the juveniles they are.... Fox has TWO commentators, Beck & Hannity, who can't seem to find anything good to say about the president. While much of they present is factual, they also overdo it. no question But everything else on Fox, including Bill O'Reilly has been very fair to President Obama. Although not in his "tank" like many of the other news outlets.... Axelrod & company need to grow up.

Posted by: wrburton | October 20, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Don't second quess yourself. It looks just like everything else the two party's have been doing all along. Finger pointing and name calling. Fox calls them out on things that others don't. They are not always on the money but they alway point out things that make people stop and take a closer look at issuses instead of just accepting them as the norm. I for one like the change I see in America. More and more people are questioning how the government does things. Fox just helps that idea along.

Posted by: rainman2 | October 20, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Why not call them out? To say they elevated fox to the Presidents level is ridiculous. They have absolutely no power, just like rush and his "20 million listeners" that he can never mobilize. Independent thinking people see fox for exactly what they are, an arm of the republican party. They spend their time attacking everything that has to do with democratic party while barely touching the news, and never discussion republican problems. Maybe after this they will actually look at them selves and decide to be fair and balanced instead of just using it for a catchy slogan

Posted by: whatdyousay | October 20, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

@panielsen aka paul nielsen. I think you should watch who you are calling a monkey epecially our President considering you used your real name to post d***. Jealous much of a black man in office? It totally shows. Take a real good look on who doesn't have a clue Paul Nielson.

Posted by: justiceserved | October 20, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

The Liberal media of NY Times, Washington Post, and others believe in Blind Trust and not researching the details and facts of this Corrupt and Dishonest Obama ACORN Head. This results in the Blind, leading the Blind.
Give a man a fish, and he will beg everyday for more and vote DemocRAT. Teach a man to fish, and he will eat for a lifetime, and vote Republican.

Posted by: usausa2 | October 20, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I tend to agree, Mr Robinson.

President Obama seems to be defining himself here. He is saying "my agenda is..."

Pretty crafty way to go about it.

Posted by: enemy-of-the-state | October 20, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Eugene, I think your second mind is right on--the media circled the wagons (What?! He.Attacked.The.Media? That can't be good.) But that's not what I hear from regular folks. The Fox Fans don't like it, but the birthers and the truthers and the Beckerheads are lost causes anyway.

One small point: it's not open warfare" to call out Fox on it's conduct, and it's not an enemies list, an IRS audit or a police raid. Most Americans don't pretend that Fox is an objective news source--why should Obama?

Posted by: Lou3 | October 20, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting that those people who are "champions of free speech," including the right to depict a President as Hitler, to disrupt the Senate, and to host biased TV shows have the gall to say "no-no" when their example is being followed..

I'm talking about liberals who depicted Bush as Hitler, whose Code Pink disrupts the Congress, and whose MSNBC is in the tank for Obama by their own words.

About this "mark" on the heads of Fox watchers, that's just code for "I'm smart and you deserve to die." The BIG LIE is that liberals believe in freedom (look at Kinston, NC today). They will exterminate if they get the chance.

Posted by: gengar843 | October 20, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Did you notice how the White House spokespeople offer no direct evidence of bias? That's because the stories they're referring to -- ACORN, Bill Ayers, The Rev. Wright, Vann Jones, et al -- are incredibly embarrassing to the WH so they have no choice but to remain vague. If they started to name the actual offending stories, they would only call attention to what amounts to accurate reporting.

Posted by: knickerbocker1 | October 20, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

rnelson10,

Juan Williams is a journalist on NPR; on Fox he is not a journalist -- he's a commentator.

Yes, Fox does have reporters. Also true, most of Fox's programming is not news reporting -- it's commentary.

In reference to the column, the Obama media strategy with Fox is fine. The worst thing that they could do is to take the inside the Beltway wisdom too seriously.

Yes, calling out Fox might expand viewership for the channel. The key is linking Fox to the GOP. Either the GOP needs to get some distance from Fox, or Fox needs to get some more distance from the GOP. Marginal segments make business sense for a cable channel, but for a political party, being too strongly identified with a fringe group is not a winning formula. To the extent that the GOP base continues to embrace Fox lunacy, it will only continue to marginalize the GOP further.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Im sorry but going against fox news just makes the white house look even more guilty for the very things fox has acused them with. I also dont think you realize the people who watch fox are not just in the south or the mountains. It takes a very intelligent person to look at both sides of an arguement. I have talked to many of the "obama nation" and not one of them is able to present facts about his policies, or the people he put into office. People who think he is our "savior" are just following the crowd, in my generation he is a fad. This silly battle with fox is ridiculous. how many times did you see msnbc, and abc go after the white house during the Bush administration? This is stupid and you had it right the first time Eugene.

Posted by: lilbebo360 | October 20, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama's so "crazy like a fox" he got the Nobel Committee to give him a peace prize for doing...? Smart , very smart.

Posted by: interval1 | October 20, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

The same name-calling about Fox viewers is the same language used by the Justice Dept today to describe the situation in Kninston, NC. They said LITERALLY that black people can't vote for anyone but Democrats because it doesn't serve their interests! Read the document online, if available. It intimates quite strongly that blacks are not smart enough to know who to vote for if there is no (D) next to the name on the ballot. Don't believe me? Read it! This is the LIBERAL DEMOCRAT Justice Dept. saying people are stupid and need to be told who to vote for. Karzai, anyone? Corruption runs deep here. It's difficult to say why any blogger with half a brain and a little conscience wouldn't say, "OMG, what am I defending?" The same mindset causes every fascist coup. Bill Maher's comment concerns me deeply.

Posted by: gengar843 | October 20, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

stifling dissent? Is that what the White House is doing? Have they taken Fox's license away? Have they shut it down? That would be stifling dissent.

The White House is saying that the channel of "fair and balanced" and "we report, you decide" is neither of those, that it has an editorial agenda, and that it is very hard to distinguish between its news and that agenda.

Even worse, it seeks to create the news in accordance with its agenda (the tea party march), and then, as a news organization, purchases ads in papers alleging that it was the only channel that covered that event, something blatantly not true.

I have no problem with a channel being overtly biased: it has the right to be far right. I don't like it when such a far right channel pretends to be in the center, trying to make the real center look like the far left. And, call it news.

But, as someone has said, the big lie is often more effective than a small one. Fox certainly seems to be following that philosophy. [it wasn't Stalin or Mao, was it?]

Posted by: bozozozo | October 20, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

FOX is to the Republican Party what Pravda was to the CPSU. What possible benefit could there be for the Obama administration in pretending that it's anything else?

Posted by: bobdecker | October 20, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

@beckychr007

"The popularity of FOX News is evidence that this perception is not accurate. FOX became the most popular cable news..."

The thing is, I can tune-in any other news source and get reasonably objective news.

The Far Right can only get their fix on Fox, so they're definitely locked in there--and there are millions of them--always have been.

Fortunately, there are now too few to win control of our government.

Posted by: Lou3 | October 20, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Fox News is infamous. All they want is to tumult and bring instability to the country. Professional liars. White house should prevent Fox News from entering the white house. They use their media power to make dirty politics. They lie all the time when the subject is Obama. Racists, facists, represents the worst of America. The rest of the media is afraid of admitting that. You, media guys, play all in the same team when it comes to criticizing your peers. Saying the truth about that LIARS isn't a menace to your freedom of speech. Shame on you.

Posted by: thereyougo | October 20, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

"Polite freezeout"?... Give me a break! This administration's idea of "payback" makes Nixon look rational.... Rahmbo Emmanuel's Chicago style bullying is the antithesis of everything President Obama said he stood for. This makes them all look like the juveniles they are.... Fox has TWO commentators, Beck & Hannity, who can't seem to find anything good to say about the president. While much of they present is factual, they also overdo it. no question But everything else on Fox, including Bill O'Reilly has been very fair to President Obama. Although not in his "tank" like many of the other news outlets.... Axelrod & company need to grow up.

Posted by: wrburton

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So, you're saying that the Nixon's threats to pull station licenses is mild compared to having someone in the press office accuse Fox of being essentially a PR firm?

Wow. Good to know.

Personally, I think getting a verbal reprimand and being dealt the silent treatment is a lot more mild than siccing the FCC on my political adversaries. Maybe that's just me.

OK, you convinced me, Obama should pull a Nixon.

Go easy on the public criticisms and start pulling Murdoch's station licenses.

An audit of News Corps taxes might be called for too.

Enough of the public statements, these are too harsh!

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Let's move on now to the Chamber of Commerce. Why is the White House now against this entity. Are you against the Chamber? Why? Are you anti-business? Why? The President says he's not anti-business, so.... Now what?

The Chamber of Commerce is doing a good job keeping the spirit of entrepreneurship alive. Is this now on the enemies list?

How about Lou Dobbs? Is he an enemy?

Who else? What is the list? What are the proposed penalties? If none, why continue speaking this way? This "freedom of speech" which the White House engages in is a travesty and is only just the start.

Rise up!

Posted by: gengar843 | October 20, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

In today's news on Google News, an ex-aide of Obama admitted that the Obama administration manipulated the news before the election....well, they never stopped manipulating the news. The Obama administration has ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and other news medias plus most of the newspapers in this country fooled. Because they cannot control Fox they criticise Fox. Fox, keep reporting the real news and don't become a arm of the Obama administration like the rest of the news organization. America deserves to know the real news.

Posted by: libertymeanslife | October 20, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Comment #1: It amuses me how the media quickly hops on Rove's words of the analogy of Obama to Nixon, while ignoring the people in the middle who did similar things. Reagan had a list of the 10 most dangerous men in California. The Bush administration frequently made attacks on the "liberal media", and often pointed out specific organizations like MSNBC. How soon we forget.

Comment #2: It doesn't take a genius to understand why Obama is attacking Fox. For a long time, Fox and other right-wingers have been making attacks on so-called "liberal media", which has had the effect of getting the other media stations to publish more of their side of the story, no matter how little facts were backing it up (examples include global warming and the war on Iraq -- scud missiles may ring a bell). It's time that the other side fights back in order to free the existing media from thinking they have to publish Fox's viewpoint even though it may be lacking in any factuality. The rest of the media should not be led by Fox's bullying, and until somebody fights back at Fox, this is not going to change. Glad Obama is doing it!!!

Posted by: Jake_D | October 20, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

This is such a dopey response from the WH. The Bush WH did pretty much the same thing to MSNBC. Nobody noticed because MSNBC has such a small audience. The WH shouldn't shy away from FOX, but instead go after them on the air. Go on Hannity, Beck and O'Reilly and debate the issues. Whether you like it or not, FOX has a big audience, and they vote, and some of the viewers are independents. If the WH wants to shape a debate, they're going to have to win some independents and moderate republicans...and many of them watch FOX.

Posted by: jashaw86 | October 20, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Gene: I believe the answer to your quandry is "Fox News' advertisers." Assuming: a) Rahm et al are highly intelligent;
b) they would not defy the political axiom to "not shoot down" without purpose; c) the White House must act from a position of authority and influence over a body with the power to change the behavior of Fox News; d) quite arguably, this would not be Fox News' viewers; and e) the strongest influence over the behavior of a media organization is its advertisers, not its consumers. My surmise would be that the White House believes it can influence Fox's advertisers to force them to tone things down.

Posted by: someonewho | October 20, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

You right-wing nuts are hilarious!! You guys don't really think that simply saying "no" to everything the administration puts forth is disagreeing with liberal policy do you? Of course not, if you were actually disagreeing with the president's policies you'd actually have an alternative solution. Let's be honest here, you're all scrambling for anything you can find to make you feel relevant again, and make you believe that what you've been taught about conservatism was correct. And that you republicants will lead us down the correct path. Well as the past eight years has shown us, your ice age ideas are not only geared to help the rich widen their gap over the working class, but they've also been proven as obsolete to the new world which we inhabit today. If only you were intelligent enough to actually LISTEN to both sides before proclaiming how conservatism is the way for our society to prosper, and how liberalism is a cancer to our society. Even as utterly clueless president Bush was, I didn't necessarily disagree with everything the man proposed. At least until I probed the idea and found that it held no weight as I did many times with the Bush administration's proposals. Don't you realize that your blind opposition to every single thing Obama does, held in contrast to your constant shaking your heads yes to everything bush asked, proves to the American people that you know nothing of bipartisanship. You know, the same bipartisanship that Senator McCain claimed to posess during his campaign and claimed that the president did not posess? I actually listen to Fixed Noise just to strenghthen my case for why conservatism has no place in American politics. You guys are like the cult in Waco, Texas......wait, I bet most of you aren't far at all from that place, maybe that's where you're all bred!!! The president makes a speech and clearly states "Insurance executives don't do this because they're bad people, they do it because it's profitable"......then Hannity gets on the air and says "The president said insurance executives are bad people, I was taken a back". Just hilarious. No wonder McCain never entioned the Middle class once during his campaign, you wackos are completely out of touch with average Americans. Guess listening to Sean Hannity and co. has you believeing we're on Mars and the year is 15,000 bc. Ay Dios Mijo!!!

Posted by: nizzle | October 20, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Of COURSE a tax audit is coming... Now, let's see how fair you are. Let's audit General Electric also. Let's look into their business in Iran, their ridiculous accounting which has caused the stock to be depressed for so long, AND the standing orders for MSNBC to be Leftist-leaning.

I'm all for the audit. wink wink

Of course, you don't mean an actual audit, you mean a report that satisfies blood, which is what you want. Blood in the streets is your motto. Who are you? What is your actual agenda? Mine is always fairness.

I'm watching Lou Dobbs right now and he's reading letters including one from a guy who says "Are you a Republican stooge?" Great stuff. Watch Lou Dobbs if you want. but your criticism is the impotent lashing-out of a young punk or a disgruntled oldster, the most common comeback being "I was a Marine." So? Does that give you a special privilege to squash free speech, religion, assembly, press?

These blogs are actually a bore, because no real discourse ensues, and nothing will ever be solved here. Wouldn't it be great?

BTW, Kinston, NC is the battlefield of the mind right now. Municipalities being ordered by the Federal Gov't how to conduct their elections, as if race is the barrier. Kinston is 65% black and overwhelmingly approved the move to non-partisan vote for City Council. By fiat, the Justice Dept. said no, claiming that blacks didn't have a voice because THEY DIDN'T VOTE ENOUGH. In other words, the election will remain partisan because the Justice Dept. thinks blacks are stupid and lazy! The LIBERAL DEMOCRAT Justice Dept.

There is no response to this because there is no response. Only Fox has even commented on it! You will not hear a peep anywhere else because now not only are the other networks tanked but also cowed. But I sense a bubbling up of backlash coming. This will blow up in the face. This is America, not peasant China or bolshevik Russia. It won't work against the most spoiled people in the world.

Take the guns? Ha! Think again. Take over the media? Ha! Whatever! Did you notice that Goldman Sachs is now thumbing their nose at the White House and Treasury? They paid back their money and now they're back to business. Good! I'd rather be ruled by corporations who produce something instead of government which can only tax and oppress.

Posted by: gengar843 | October 20, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I have watched the network television news work in opposition to Republican administrations for two decades. Every network news anchor has a leftist ideology. Every network news organization has a leftist agenda. All of their news reporting is written to advance this agenda. These are facts, not subject to debate. Can anyone tell me what makes Fox News a bad news organization?

Posted by: canwetalk1 | October 20, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

could it be as simple as using your opponent to do the work for you? rather than them respond by making good counter points of view about policy, they seem to be spending their time trying to lambast the administration, which in effect underlines the "bright line" that obama and crew drew. like others on here have said, subtly making it "us vs. them" and having "them" howl nonsense (like beck's comparison of fox news to the jewish--and others one should add--holocaust) only starkens the constrast to the benefit of the administration. keep it up fox, and you'll only continue to make his job easier for him. sure, you're singing to the choir that's continuously filling the ranks of anti-american (anti-black, anti-jewish, anti-hispanic, anti-gay...) groups, but it's not as if they were ever listening to obama anyhow.

Posted by: humble2 | October 20, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Spoken like one more member of Obama's water carrying useful idiots.

Don't squell too loud when a majority of the simple folk, raise up against any Fed bail-out of our liberal betters that dominate & control "journalism".

Posted by: MaDr | October 20, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

"But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow."

Posted by: gengar843 | October 20, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

For those of us who are alarmed on a daily basis over the Obama administration, the move to attack Fox News only confirms our deepest fears:

President Obama controls the other media outlets to promote his "Cult of Personality" in order to manipulate the American people.

President Obama's supporters are in denial that their President is using a technique right out of the Chavez/Stalin playbook. When Obama promised to transform America, many people did not realize that Fascisism and Socialism is what he meant!

So, Glen Beck, who daily exposes all the Communist Czars in the White House, the Obama power grab, and the destructive Obama policies must be stopped...The ObamaAdministration must destroy Fox News! It will never work because the cat is out of the bag. The majority of the American people now know who Obama is.

Anyone who runs against him in 2012 will win in a landslide, because the American people do not want this type of America...and attacking Fox News only raises the alarm going off in the public's minds over how Radical this Administration is...

Posted by: 1djn | October 20, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure we need to censor John Lennon too, since he's criticizing Obama czars and agents.

Posted by: gengar843 | October 20, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Why not pay Doctors who take Medicare more money, aren't the Seniors getting a bonus of $250. each. Got to keep those seniors in their place and not let them get filthy RICH LIKE THOSE JOKERS IN WALL STREET AND POLITICIANS WHO RESIGN AND GET REHIRED SO THEY CAN HAVE SALARY AND PENSION AT THE SAME TIME Naughty, Naughty. Lets just keep those seniors in their place. Did anyone mention "Bread Lines"

Posted by: LOONYBIN2000 | October 20, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

The only reason they are so overt in the White House is that they plan to overturn the voting process. This is the wet dream of the Left forever. As Maher said, we're stupid. But it's not just Maher. It's just an arrogance that's born into some people, who take their IQ as the cue for their superiority. They don't believe in God so they believe it's Darwinism that they succeed. Honestly, their twerpy-necked intelligence wouldn't last a minute in the open anarchy they seem to espouse. Certainly, Darwinism has nothing to do with the ordered fascism that they love. The same folks who yelled that Reagan was gonna make us all slaves to Big Brother are those most open to a Big Brother against Conservatives. Why? Are you better? Why? Who made you? God? If you admit that, then go read any book of religion, which basically says you are nothing compared to God. So, DON'T believe in God and then you can try to rule as an animal. Go for it. Those who believe in God will never be herded in this country. Jews say "Never again." Christians are tougher than you think. Islam? Ha! You will have no place in any sharia scheme. Otherwise, you're outnumbered.

George Bush may not have been the most respected Christian in the country, but Obama's "transparency" and "post-racial" lies have already made him fully suspect. Go ahead and deny. You can't.

We stand at a precipice. The voting rights of many are about to be usurped. Be aware! More town halls will follow. More venom thrown to Conservatives will follow. "Isolate and destroy" says Alinsky, Stalin, and the rest. Watch yourselves.

Posted by: gengar843 | October 20, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Fox news doesn't produce facts. Any time a guest doesn't agree with Hannity, Beck or O'Reilly all they do is yell over them so their audience never has a chance to hear the truth or even make up their own minds of what makes sense to them as an individual and who's telling the truth and who's not. I will agree that MSNBC is left-leaning but to be honest I have at least seen/heard Keith Olbemann and Rachel Maddow disagree with the president which I can respect. Never, and I repeat, never have I heard Greta Van Susteren, Lou Dobbs or Newt Gingrich disagree with anything Bush or the current repulicant leaders have done. If the GOP kills your children, rapes your wife and Drops an atom bomb on planet earth FOX is perfectly happy with everything!! "Ohh yea, that's great for America, we're the real Americans". But if the Democrats even talk about helping the hard working Americans who aren't able to afford health care without losing their homes here come the cries of "Socialism" and "The government wants to run every part of our lives", you know even though the same folks were quiet as church house mouses when Bush's administration started wire tapping average Americans, not to mention when he stretched the American government to record numbers. If it's right it's right, and if it's wrong it's wrong. No matter if it's being done by a dem, republican, white man, black woman or a one legged pooch. FOX is a bad news organization because the parameters for right and wrong constantly chage depending on who's doing what. And in FOX's eyes the GOP is always right.

Posted by: nizzle | October 20, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

No need to over-think this. The WH simply acknowledged something that was obvious to everyone for a long time now.

Posted by: JP_2 | October 20, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I used to watch the Fox a few times to know what the "Contra" says.But I decide not to be obsessed with them having better references to look at.References, we need references not brainwashing machines.
By the other hand is a matter of taste and thanks God the Fox is not the Big Brother of the Orwellian 1984.
I´d say many americans like that type of TV in a similar way as passed generations liked Mc Chartysm and them came the downfall.They are, or try to be, very subtle at what we can call subliminal brainwashing by playing to be neutral,reasonable.But they are not to a good clinical eye.Like in the case of Joe Wilson,ignore them

Posted by: justdiogo | October 20, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Thank you FOX for saving the USA from a communist take-over.

Posted by: mock1ngb1rd | October 20, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama is just following in Bush's footstep. Either you with Obama or against Obama. The difference was that Bush meant those outside the country. Obama's attacks are directed internally. Bush was accused as being the divider of the nation, but the nation is even more divided under Obama and Democrat control of congress. I guess the real dividers of the nation are the ones in power right now.

Posted by: sangjmoon | October 20, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

As I read these comments, I see quite a healthy range of opinion. What is heartening is that in addition to - and sometimes hand-in-hand with - the highly polarized, sharply divided opinions about the merits and/or faults of Fox News and the Obama administration, there is actually some well-measured, well-reasoned insight. I am a huge fan of Fox News. Yes, I'm conservative. No, I'm not a Republican. Yes, I understand the difference betwen commentary and news. Fox has both. Fox tilts toward the Right. I view it as a necessary counterbalance to the Left-leaning tilt of the vast majority of popular media. I don't recall anybody from Fox ever saying that he or she got a "thrill" running up his or her leg from listening to George Bush speak. Indeed, GW took it on the chin for 8 years, never returning evil for evil, always maintaining a certain measure of dignity and decency in the face of the most vile, vicious and puerile criticism - unabating criticism - hatred - and he never blamed anybody else for the challenges that he faced. With two Master's degrees, with a long history of serving my country's military, and my fellow human beings as a nurse and as a high school teacher, I can assure you that I am not a racist redneck. Obama, and the people with whom he has surrounded himself, scare me. They do indeed seem reminiscent of the nascent Nazi movement. His communication director's praise of Mao is not an anomaly. These people will suffer no dissent, no criticism. What is even scarier is the unquestioning loyalty and obedience of Obama's supporters, including the majority of mainstream "journalists". This loyalty, this blind obedience, goes beyond "thrill" up the leg. It's thralldom, slavery of thought and opinion. No - it's more than that - it is something bordering on(if not outright)religious devotion. It's sick. Fox's greatest sin? It dares to question the Obama administration, the Left's glorious leader. I was no huge fan of GW, but this didn't make me a redneck racist. I have deep foreboding about this administration's designs upon my country, and lust for absolute power. Somehow this makes me "dangerous". It's time to wake up. Only Fox seems to be awake at the wheel.

Posted by: Alanfordrn | October 20, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

The people who bash Fox and its viewers show how contemptuous the left has become to any semblance of free speech and constitutional rights. Quite simply, the left feels that only their concerns and desires matter and those who disagree with them need to shut up. If most of the intolerant dolts on the left watched Fox, they would find that Fox airs much more opinion and news from the right and left. As much as people want to criticize O'Reilly or Hannity, they frequently have people on the left on their shows and they're treated respectfully. Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow never have any opposing viewpoints on their shows. I know I watch them all. Before anyone posits that I'm an uneducated, toothless, moron, I have earned a doctorate degree and have an IQ higher than 99% of Americans. I just choose to believe that government tends to screw up most things and that is based on my observations over the years of dealing with government agencies and my experience working for government agencies.

Posted by: tomski12 | October 20, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

The problem is not Fox viewers, the problem is what Fox says to its viewers. They have a legitimate interest in a perspective that differs from others around them just like everyone else. The problem is that Fox starts with a perspective and then moves from there, rather than starting with news and developing a perspective. They're a political beast first, then a news organization.

It shows that they are unbalanced, and concurrently unfair, that there has never, ever been any question about if they were moving 'too far to the left'.

I block their channels with v-chips, along with other seamy & immoral channels that I don't want in my house. I do this cause I got sick of hearing them bellow lies every time I scan through the channels.

Most of the time people could bury them merely buy noting all their inaccuracies. The problem is that it's a wretched pain to listen to all their childish shrieking, and no one really wants to reparent these overgrown & underdeveloped mental children anyway.

Posted by: timscanlon | October 20, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

goexplode - Well said in short.

Posted by: PaulMoATX | October 20, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

This week the distraction is Fox
Next week it will be the race card for the 10th time
Then out comes "we're concerned for HIS safty" BS
Then another lame story about the dog
Then it's vacation time
Then it's time for Fox again
Get it yet morons?

Of course there just is not enough space on line or in any of the news rags to print the details of the health bill these socialist scum bags are trying to shove up our azzzzzes is there?

Posted by: Bcamp55 | October 20, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I doubt most of your readers are well-informed on ACORN. That's because they don't listen to Fox. ACORN should still be front page news because it is such an atrocity and such a threat to democracy. ACORN describes the Obama administration. They (Obama) are set on wealth redistribution without regard to whether that may break the bank and kill the goose that laid the golden egg. Obama is a rabble rouser who appeals to popular prejudices against the landowners and business owners (the "rich"). Yes Fox is right of center, and it is so nice to have at least one channel like that so I don't only have the CNN/MSNBC'S to listen to. Obama is anxious to silence Fox because they alone have the chutspa to expose ACORN-type corruption.

Posted by: ibconservative | October 20, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Whoa... tomski12, lots of dullards get PhD's because they so hate their own intellectual inferiority that they're compelled to seek a certificate in order to deny it. I'm not surprised you're a FOX news fan as they present you with canned simplistic platitudes you can sign up for.

Posted by: rogb2001 | October 20, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

“…Fox is fanning the flames hoping it will drive up their ratings…” - truthseeker13

No hope (nor change you can believe in) about it. FOX’s ratings are through the roof and Rupert’s laughing all the way to the bank…if he can find one that is solvent.

“…Most Americans don't pretend that Fox is an objective news source…” - Lou3

Most Americans are tuned to FOX, sending their ratin…oh, why bother! Another looney-tunes liberal that can’t be bothered with the facts.

I quit reading after that last one as there is no sense wasting my time with more blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada.

For you sports fans scoring at home, it's now FOX NEWS, four, Obama, nothing, zero, nada, zippity-do-dah. Keep up the good work, Barry.

When you find yourself at the bottom of a very deep pit, Stop Digging!

Posted by: sosueme1 | October 20, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama believes if you don't fawn all over him you're the enemy. The blooters in this administration don't deserve to take my time and frankly shoot themselves in the foot everytime the open their mouths.

Posted by: MOMLEE | October 20, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

So, the president of the United States thinks its worth his time and resources to ostracize a news organization that critically looks at him, and you're ok with that? Do you value your profession? This call really should be a no-brainer - it is NOT ok for the government to try and stifle the free press - it makes the president look silly at best, thuggish at worse.

Posted by: spott518 | October 20, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Listen, the current strategy should not be to "attack Fox," but rather to go on Hannity, Beck and O'Reilly and debate the issues. These guys have the loudest voices, and probably have the biggest audiences. The current strategy looks petty and juvenile, and only gives credence to Chris Wallace`s(of Fox) statement that this administration was the biggest bunch of cry-babies he has ever seen. Most people know that Fox has a right-wing bias, so it is pointless to point that out. However, the WH should be weary that this controversy will be a grave distraction to the Health Care debate. Or, could this be a ploy to do just that. Hmm, it makes you wonder, does it not?

Posted by: ratcliffc2002 | October 20, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Even if you dislike Fox because it seems more right wing than neutral, do you realize that the people who like Fox tend to dislike CNN and MSNBC for the same basic reason - they both seem to have a political tilt to the message? It is ok to have a bias, EVERYONE judges life through the prism of their own experience - if you realize what that bias is. If Fox is actively pursuing a conservative audience - good for them - that doesn't delegitamize them anymore than a journalist with a liberal bias. Indeed, the biggest criticism of main-stream media is that they are supposed to be neutral, but aren't - they don't overcome their biases, they hide them.

Posted by: spott518 | October 20, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't hear anyone complaining about Salon, or the Huffington Post, or any number of publications to the left- it is only the ones that disagree with Obama's agenda that are not news worthy. Everyone's a hero that agrees with Obama, and everyone that doesn't is a bigoted racist. How convenient.

Posted by: davideconnollyjr | October 20, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure we need to censor John Lennon too, since he's criticizing Obama czars and agents.

Posted by: gengar843 | October 20, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse
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Good one.

"But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao you ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow... Don't you know it's gonna be all right..."

- John Lennon, The Beatles, "Revolution"

Posted by: mock1ngb1rd | October 20, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Nicely done Eugene.
Please see:

"Why Fox has Higher Ratings When CNN Has More Viewers"

http://ksuweb.kennesaw.edu/~shagin/48fox.pdf

CNN viewers tune in for a few minutes to get the news.

FOX viewers tune in to see Beck boil frogs.

Posted by: JohnQuimby | October 20, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

The First Amendment protects freedom of speech and freedom of the press.

When Obama took the oath of office, he swore to uphold the US Constitution. He clearly does not take his oath seriously.

Posted by: pkhenry | October 20, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama's abuse of the First Amendment is exactly the sort of tyranny it was written to protect against.

Posted by: pkhenry | October 20, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Wrong is right? Right is wrong? Left is good? Good is left? Twisted logic for a twisted age. George Orwell is smiling down at Robinson. The Post plant has a direct line to -- and from -- the government's Ministry of Propaganda.

Posted by: euclidzoo | October 20, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Each of these 24 hour "news" channels do carry some news by some decent reporters. The rest of the time is filled with everyone's opinion and you know what they say about opinions ----- yes, everyone has one.

As for the drive by media of ABC,CBS and NBC, they ceased being anything more than talk show with nothing but opinions long ago. And newspapers like the Washington Post can join the same "brotherhood" with them. All of them have forgotten what the 4th Estate is supposed to do - their job was to watch and report and, in so doing, help to keep the politicians just a little bit attuned to the voices of their constituents.

However, those days are long gone and I don't trust anything from any of them any more. I gather as much info as possible from as many sources as possible and form my own opinions, thank you. I don't need anyone else doing it for me.

I think it might be fun to let all these media types just slug it out, might as well put the White House crew in there with them. Small minds work well in these situations and it's clear to see we're dealing with a tremendous number of small-minded folks.

It's just too bad there is no one watching the store any more and reporting, not opining, but reporting on what they see. Seems it will now take marching in the streets to get elected officials to listen to the people they represent.

Boy, the media folks really aren't very smart, are they? They had a lot of power and they've gone and squandered it on what -- oh, yeah, more small-minded people.

Posted by: Seabird1 | October 20, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. Robinson:

You were right the first time. This line--"If the ideological struggle can be defined as Fox viewers vs. everybody else, the White House wins"--is not as self-evident as you seem to think.

Posted by: Duscany | October 20, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it's news to anybody that Faux 'News' has a point of view. If you're a paranoid conservative wingnut, you think it's the only bastion of truth in a menacing and deranged universe. If you're a normal human being, you see them as hysterical, hypocritical, and biased. I think anyone who isn't a blatant hypocrite will agree that Faux represents a very conservative point of view, though views will vary about whether that is a good or a bad thing.

Posted by: steelsil2 | October 20, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

@pkhenry

"The First Amendment protects freedom of speech and freedom of the press.

When Obama took the oath of office, he swore to uphold the US Constitution. He clearly does not take his oath seriously."

The Constitution doesn't protect Fox from criticism. They have the right to be as partisan as they wish.

And Obama (and anyone else) has the right to call them on it.

Why are you opposing the 1st Amendment?

Posted by: Lou3 | October 20, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

It should be fairly obvious that the executive branch of government is in charge of protecting the Constitution - rather than trampling it.

Posted by: pkhenry | October 20, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

How this article makes its way on to the first page of stories on Google News is a complete JOKE!! Mr Robinson's outbursts and raving rants (and many others like them) are THE reason these left-leaning papers are failing!

Posted by: CTLangis | October 20, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Fox viewrs ar predominantly the extreme rightwing conservatives. Fox's owner, the Aussie Murdoch and the Moonie Press (Washinton Times, etc.) are ideologically opposed to liberal democracies and use the personel media power, world wide, to block their actions and discredit their leaders.

Can you imagine the uproar if NBC and CBS were owned by the French and the Swedes and they pounded the POTUS 24/7??

Tell it like it is, Barack!
Fear, Hatred, Distortion Distraction and Division is all they've got.

Posted by: thebobbob | October 20, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

FOX whining about not being liked by the President. BooHoo, Waaaaa. The President has declared war on us at FOX, Waaaaaa.

Seems to me FOX declared War on President Obama the day he was elected. Have they ever said anything positive about him. I mean really positive. No.

FOX the truth hurts. You are THE Right-Wing media propaganda machine. You can't deny that can you.

Posted by: glacy3 | October 20, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

^^thebobbob got it right

Posted by: alarico | October 20, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

This is a gimmick to take the attention off of Obomba's lack of results. If he were busy producing instead of talking Foxx news wld be irrelevant. Instead Obomba and his crew want to throw the progressives some red meat by attacking fox while at the same time knifing those same progressives in the back with back room deals. MSNBC may obsess over the republican party and Foxx but us progressives know who the real fox is and he lives in the white house.

Posted by: rbprtman23 | October 20, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I guess we'll see what the american people think in 2010 and then in 2012*

* Assuming the world isn't ending.

Posted by: HugitThrough | October 20, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Aren't there laws against deceptive advertising? Why isn't a right-wing rumor mill and smear machine for stupid people calling itself "news" illegal?

Fox "News"...like the tobacco companies calling cigarettes "health sticks".

Posted by: wilder5121 | October 20, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I agree. What's wrong with a president telling the truth for once? Would Obama look bigger for saying that fox IS a real news organization? Many people in this country who aren't right-wing loons actually don't know that fox is an arm of the GOP. Increasing awareness is always a good thing when confronting such filth.

Oh, and those who claim the "news" part of fox is somehow different than the opinion, maybe you can explain why the so-called "news" anchors devoted literally hundreds of hours promoting the teabagger rallies (before, during, and after) and spent literally only a few minutes to covering other similar events of the past decade.

Posted by: TheDukeStir1 | October 20, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

"Only FOX had the gull to run the investigative reporting to reveal the CORRUPTION of ACORN and Van Jones."

You are correct without realizing it! Look up "gull," Dumbo!

Posted by: thrh | October 20, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

If it's obvious that Fox is full of right-wing shills, why did the White House have to take them on directly? What do they gain from doing so? They don't convince the Fox loyalists, and everyone else already agrees with them.

Posted by: smc91 | October 20, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

In the Soviet Union, it was illegal to speak against the government. The justification was that dissent is both false and harmful to the common good.

The same belief system which the American left has adopted.

Posted by: pkhenry | October 20, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Obama needed to say what he did. He has to speak the truth about wha Fox is. He only needs to say it once and move on. The fact is Fox is an organization whose opinion commentators reflect the views of the station. Why is it that Dan Rater was fired but not Beck et al.?
This is a typical Republican strategy to have “loose canons” say the most outrageous things only to have others say we didn’t say that, it not the “official” view, they don’t speak for the Republican party. The Fox organization is the propaganda communication wing for the Republican party in disguise of a news station. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.
Dennis

Posted by: DennisJC | October 20, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Eugene; Obama ACORN Head is immature and childish...so you support the Socialistic Policies of this Corrupt Obama ACORN Head.

Posted by: usausa2
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This post made me laugh so hard I cried. Yeah boy, Usausa2, that poopyheaded president sure is childish and immature!

You embody all I find amusing and pathetic about conservatives.

Posted by: arancia12 | October 20, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

You have it right this time, Mr. Robinson.
President Obama's people told the truth: Fox is "fair and balanced" only in the world George Orwell warned us against in "1984."
All but the right-wing Cool-Aid sippers, who are long gone in the brain anyway, admire the president's people for calling out Fox for what it is: A Republican propaganda organ.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | October 20, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

In the Soviet Union, it was illegal to speak against the government. The justification was that dissent is both false and harmful to the common good.

The same belief system which the American left has adopted.

Posted by: pkhenry

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In reference to Fox, it's worth noting that foreigners like Rupert Murdoch could not legally buy into the U.S. market for decades. The fact that conservatives align themselves with a foreign media operation says quite a bit about how far out of the American mainstream they are these days.

In the former Soviet Union, the Obama administration wouldn't need to waste time publicly calling out Fox and its crazies.

They could simply shut down the station and take their hosts off to the gulag.

Get back to me when that happens.

Otherwise you're just engaging in the kind of hyperbole that unfairly gives the American educational system a bad name. You know better.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

When the American people receive their news from a source that is allowed to distort, manipulate, and misrepresent that news to such an extent that it can affect public opinion - democracy ceases to exist. Instead of being informed by the media, the American people are then being controlled by them. Fear the foreign media moguls, not the government.

Posted by: mawheelz | October 20, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Robinson's argument is nonsensical. Its apologist excuse making or perhaps pie in the sky wishful thinking, that or a desperate partisan defense of an indefensible position.


What true benefit behind this distraction from the serious business of states craft to attack the free press? With an economy in tatters, 15 million Americans out of work, Iran on the cusp of building a bomb, Americans fighting and dying, and a desperate plea from our top commander in Afghanistan for more troops unheeded, what 'possible' sense does this distraction make? And if this IS a deliberate distraction given the gravity of America's troubles...what does that tell us about the quality of our leadership in 1600 Pennsylvania avenue?


Its not foxy Robinson, its puerile and unbefitting of our highest office. 2012 cant come any sooner for this voter.

Posted by: Homunculus | October 20, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

I think the whole Fox network including the “Professional” news people bear responsibility for the opinion commentators and reflects on their integrity. People tend to believe what they hear on TV, especially when it comes from a news organization. No one was saying Fox is making up stories, telling lies and stirring up fear and hatred and then calling it a grass roots movement. Obama had to say with all his credibility that this station is not what they seem to be, they are not a trustworthy organization. Did Fox’s "legitimate" "professional" news people ever rebuke the lies coming from the station backed commentators? Did they question Beck when he said Obama hated white people, given his mother and grandmother were white. Did they ever question the unintelligent comparison to Hitler, etc.?
-Dennis

Posted by: DennisJC | October 20, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Great. If were really true

(well it was Robinson who projected this idea on what happened. By virtue of THAT fact, its not)--

then of all possible venues to finally start looking manly-tough let me see.. with, say Iran? No. Israel / settlements (if that's your thing) No there too. N. Korea? nope. Russia, China, Afghanistan? Uh-uh. Gitmo, no. Healthcare, no.

Oh I know! Lets pick the fight where it REALLY counts and pays off too -- duh, with Fox News. (What?!?!)

Lets do some more projecting with Robinson.. is this Obama compensating for his inner "weak-fisted nancy boy'edness"? Maybe he needs to pick the proverbial weakest kid in class to bully - everyone else slaps him around, so he naturally looks down the totempole to take it out on someone? I can come up with more Robinson-esque new age, psycho-babble "theories" all day long. Oooo.. maybe Fox News is "training wheels" for the toughness to come in the future.. gotta warm up somewhere.

Perhaps its just that under the veneer of the "I'm above it all" pontification-politics and speeches, when things get tough, Obama starts getting tactical and parochial. That is, not Presidential.

Posted by: jleibund1 | October 20, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Fox News is the TV equivalent of the Weekly Standard. It is not a general "news source" for people, it is a "news perspective". The president needs to talk to the hard news reporters. The President does not need to talk to a Republican in-house publication.

Posted by: pbassjbass | October 20, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Yeah the White House is winning....NOT!!!
It will only win if it wants to be seeing as fighting the likes of Gleen Beck. Fox is winning...their rates are up 20%.
If the WH is winning....It is hard to tell you what...being called Nixonian by most of the country is no achievement in my books.
Out in the hood people are worrying what they'll eat if there are no jobs and even the NYTimes agreed that there are no jobs and the WH is not getting it...Obama looks ridiculous fighting Fox. It is undignified and irrelevant.

Posted by: huntyrella | October 20, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

after a few hours' gasping for breath, Robinson found free thought asphyxiating. and so he is back in the tank where he can swim freely and resume the practice of his own sycophantic version of thuggish paranoia.

Posted by: miglefitz | October 20, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

he's a top of the line attorney...he takes his time with his jury(us)...let's the prosecution make it's case(anti-reform)allows the prosecution to make fools of themselves(a la Joe Wilson)allows some of his star attorneys to present their findings(AL Grayson)....and after the jury is convinced that his plan is innocent(Public Option)...he drives it home....crazy like a fox near a roosterless henhouse is right....

Posted by: kiler616 | October 20, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

This is small time politics and does remind me of Nixon's neurosis. Obama showed signs during the primaries of thin skin and this confirms it.

With unemployment rampant and record numbers of Americans dying in Afghanistan, this is what the White House chooses to focus on?

Yes Eugene, it is a shrewd move...if you are a petty small time politician not capable of taking on the big issues of our time. This is the kind of stuff a mayor does, not a president.

Posted by: alstl | October 20, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Fox and the neoconservatives are political terrorists and their motivation is MONEY.

Posted by: sail1999 | October 20, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

If the ideological struggle can be defined as Fox viewers vs. everybody else, the White House wins.
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Fascinating thought.

But -- is the average American actually that sophisticated??

I don't know - I mean, from some of these posts and all...

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Posted by: T-Prop | October 20, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

what's the big deal -

the white house just said what everybody knows...fox noise is biased rabid right wing opinion - not news!

Posted by: ryan_heart | October 20, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

It was Fox that nurtured the tea party and 912 business. Since when does a news organization get itself involved in political organizations. Much of Fox is behaving like a political party or better, as a corporate force opposing the administration, and with lies, half-truths, rumor, fear tactics. And the administration shouldn't take their behavior seriously? I disagree with almost everyone including the esteemed Jason Linkins of HuffPost and think that this is a strategy that shows a good grasp of realities and is causing such distress because the admin is saying what people in DC etc are afraid to say -- that Fox is not a news-gathering organization.

Posted by: jmundstuk | October 20, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

@ T-Prop: actually I think it's a gamble that the average American is that UNsophisticated.

Posted by: pdxorus | October 20, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

I gotta tell ya, Mr. Robinson, the "--yes--" in the headline? It makes my eyes hurt. Need you beat us over the head with your pun?

Posted by: pdxorus | October 20, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing how dumb the media are. They take the view that if Fox is the enemy we (the other media outlets) but must the friends of this administration.

But if this administration only has friends and one enemy, where will we (the public) find honest brokerage in the media? How will the media live up to its obligation.

One obvious answer is they won't. But eventually, the disgruntled and losers in internal Administration fights will need to turn somewhere, and that will have to be Fox, because everyone else is a friend.

Posted by: krush01 | October 20, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

it's nice to have freedom of speech and all that but when all that comes out of someone's mouth is fesces than you almost wish someone would be editing it...

Posted by: kiler616 | October 20, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

"My initial reaction was the same as that of Ruth Marcus"
But he needed a column, so he figured out a lame way to take a different view.

Posted by: kls1 | October 20, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

how many people watch fox ?iread somewhere that oreilly gets 3 million viewers.this is what us and canada and many other countries. even 3 million in americam maybeone half will vote and most of the viewers are in the south states that obama didnt and wont carry.idoubt that fox is getting any new or younger viewers.the oreilly people are ancient [old]the beck and hannity people are nuts andprobably dont vote.i understand the administrations concern they are trying to get a message to the american people and these guys turn every thing around.case in point in the joint congredd speech he said the insurance people were not bad people hanity went on the air after and said obama said the insurance people wer bad. murdoch makes money these pundits make money put they dont make presidents look where. mccain is

Posted by: donaldtucker | October 21, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

People wanted to be heard and even did the CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW ? marches in front of the media.They were abused by representation, turned dictators.
Bush tried it...it doesn't work at all.

Now, apparently, the People have decided this FEd 2009 and Obama aren't worth getting the attention of listening to anymore.
It looks like they want to hear absolutely nothing more from them.

Sunday morning talk shows will probably be opt outs.
It seems Obama is a bad Barney Fife rerun.

BEAR REVOLT was started by Veterans ( Czar nick named terrorists) seeking to empower the active troops with a clear documentation of the majority's will of the people via petitions (signatured by all men, women, and children who have No Confidence this 2009 Federal Government). The signed petitions are being entered into County recordations offices as a "recorded document", then pooled and placed as a" Document" into the Library of Congress by the people of each State.
The well documented majority with " no confidence" can allow the defenders of the US Constitution the ability to carry out the "will of the majority", and allow an emergency election to void all signatures of the current Fed 2009..
This Redress call was named when Pelosi went to THE BEAR REPUBLIC of California , threw imported ACORNS at their heads,
then called them astroturf and walked on their backs with her spikey heels out the door absolutely refusing to listen to them saying NO.

PETITION:

The REDRESS of the 2009 Federal Government of the United States of America
For NO CONFIDENCE
By the recall of :
The Congress, (all names listed both Partys)
The Hill , ( all names listed both Partys)
The Cabinet, (all names listed)
The Czars, ( all names listed)
Barack Hussein Obama ( all "currently" known names listed: Barack Hussein Soroeto, Barack Hussein Dunham )

Posted by: dottydo | October 21, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

There definitely are potential benefits to the admin so aggressively calling Fox News out and associating their brand so closely with a very tarnished republican party. The administration is not doing this for naught and they are not trying to separate the diehard Republican from Fox. Instead, they are most definitely trying to drive a wedge between Fox and the millions of independents that tune into it daily.

Even so, the president himself and his press secretary should avoid direct, tit for tat blows with Fox so as not to drag his own brand down while attempting to sink Fox's ratings.

Posted by: Brigadere | October 21, 2009 12:24 AM | Report abuse

You are a disgrace to your profession.

It's called freedom of the press,

Posted by: jcp370 | October 21, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

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Looks like the orderlies have loosened dottydo's straitjacket and are allowing her to tap away at the ward computer again.

Don't worry, her bizarre incoherent scribblings will only last until they give her the massive Thorazine injection and strap her back into bed...where she'll spend another 24 hours staring at the giant purple bugs crawling on the ceiling.

See ya tomorrow, dottydo. Sleep tight...and don't let those giant thirty-foot tall purple bedbugs bite.
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Posted by: wilder5121 | October 21, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Oh, by the way, the Tea Party is real, and just getting started. The 9-12 is different than the Tea Party and they're just getting started. And.. oh yeah... coming VERY soon... a group you won't be able to malign in any way. Millions and millions of....

Well, you'll just have to wait and see.

Posted by: gengar843 | October 21, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

You are a disgrace to your profession.

It's called freedom of the press.

Posted by: jcp370 | October 21, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

I just think the end game is that people like Ruth Marcus, who obviously haven't watched much of the "straight" Fox daytime progamming see how biased the regular hosts like Megyn Kelly are. Fox's "fair and balanced" moniker doesn't withstand that sort of scrutiny. Mark my words, there will be a day very soon when Robert Gibbs greets Major Garret in the WH briefing room by asking him if his employer has found the presidents birth certificate yet, and the rest of the knowing press corps engages in some raucous and mocking laughter. Sure, Fox will still make money with their huge audience, but they will drive agendas about as effectively as World Net Daily does.

Posted by: flounder2 | October 21, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse


The Obama Adminstration sets a fine example:

give the Fox Network the time and attention it deserves. (like, none)

More people should follow it.

Posted by: kenhyde | October 21, 2009 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Good for you, Eugene.

It's been depressing to watch the Beltway just repeat what's basically the FOX "News" response, which is "This is bad for Obama! How "small" of him!"

Yes, more "great news for John McCain", we know.

However look what's happened: FOX first of all bought the premise that the White House was putting out, admitting basically "Yes okay our pundit half is biased toward the Republican party, but our news half isn't!"

Oops.

I'm sure they were thinking of it more in the sense of admitting some political bias in both directions from their pundits, but who would believe that anyone on FOX is biased to the left? So they essentially ceded the argument there, admitting that that half amounts to a paid Republican propaganda unit.

Now, that brings all of the attention onto their "news" half, and I do use quotes intentionally.

Media Matters and lots of the blogs are doing a full-frontal exposure right now of how the "news" on FOX is just a right wing and Republican as the rest of FOX, there's virtually no difference.

FOX admits that half of it is a right wing propaganda machine, and now the scrutiny is squarely on their other half, looking for Republican bias. Anyone even half paying attention is going to find it there, big time.

I'd say FOX is the one making the blunders here. It's lose-lose for them.

Posted by: BillEPilgrim | October 21, 2009 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Hey, I've got an idea - since we're looking for "bias" - let's see if the White House is biased towards the lobbyists. What do ya think we'll find? Instead of poking into a news organization, which makes no policy, let's nose around the branches of government and see if we're being treated not only fairly but the way we were promised.

Hey, gang, here's an idea. Why not use our energetic resources to see why Kinston, NC is being shut down by the Federal government when it comes to free elections. Hey, here's a crazy idea: let's find out why there are so many czars.

Ooh, I know: Let's get together and find out which transmissions from whitehouse.gov are propaganda and which are true. Or, just a thought: why don't we find out why the Democrats, who have been touting how great their health plan for America would be for decades, didn't have one ready and waiting...

No? I didn't think so. It's just easier to attack the messenger. You ran outta Bush, now it's time to get Fox. Still looking for blame instead of answers.

Obama is SUCH a diplomat. You think he'll "sanction" Fox? Or, maybe sent 40,000 troops to Rockefeller Center? Why not?

Don't be fooled. This is just stage 1 of the plan. And this is just the distraction. Even if there is no plan, it's our duty to watch out for a plan. How INTERESTING that the Lefties I admired in the Sixties for being demanding of answers are now the ones who yell, "Shut up!" YOU are now the fascist pigs! Get it?

Posted by: gengar843 | October 21, 2009 1:05 AM | Report abuse

You can lift your head now for that little pat from 1600 Penn Ave. You win a cookie. When the MSM stops acting like lapdogs for the "I admire Mao" crowd down there and realize that "first they came for FOX" etc. we need to know where the outrage is on your part. One day it will be a workers paradise, but you will be out of a job. We need some reporters from the "Shinbone Star."

Posted by: rdskinfan | October 21, 2009 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Fox doesn't do news. Fox is after all the entity that (successfully) litigated its right to lie on air. They are about money and they have an audience of dittoheads ready to believe their swill that is big enough to support them -- the fact that it is a relatively small minority of Americans doesn't matter, at least financially.

Posted by: dolph924 | October 21, 2009 1:55 AM | Report abuse

It appears Mr. Robinson is copy Pres. Obama on Afghanistan, searching for a solution which will allow him to claim credit for success while avoiding blame for failure.

Posted by: MaryMc1 | October 21, 2009 2:27 AM | Report abuse

Gene,
Faux chagrin at the administration you've been supporting -is simply transparent gibberish.

Now there's another insight from your sicophantic pen, this administration is Machiavellian! Omigosh. Eureka!

Gene, media companies like the LA Times, the NY Times, Wash Post, GE/NBC family etc all need taxpayer bailouts to stay in business. Even a man on horseback can see that you guys feel the need to toadie up ...but don't be so transparent. The neighbors will talk about your lack of spine.

Fox is the only media company generating any tough questions for the administration. It helps they don't need our taxpayer money but at least they're doing some sembelance of their job.

That you would sit with MSNBC's raving sports anchor with a control/anger issue and talk politics, looks frankly absurd.

T.J. Fod

Posted by: TJFod | October 21, 2009 5:30 AM | Report abuse

Why do you people in the media constantly make excuses for and justify stupid, petty, and juvenile actions from this White House? It's your job to QUESTION these actions, not invent excuses for them. If you don't hold their feet to the fire, who will?

It's pretty simple...first they blamed Rush Limbaugh for not being able to pass their bills. Then Republicans in general. Then insurance companies. Now Fox. When they didn't get the olympics, it was because of politics and conspiracies in the IOC. When things don't turn around with the economy, we're constantly reminded that everything was "waiting on Obama's desk with a bow". Are we noticing a trend here yet? Fox is just another in a long line of targets. It's EVERYONE'S fault except Obama's. Always. This is the great post-partisan president who was going to bring accountability to Washington but surrounded himself with a bunch of vindictive schemers instead.

Jeez, I bet George Bush wishes he had all of you inventing clever excuses for all of this blundering decisions.

Posted by: Pike4 | October 21, 2009 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Don’t you just hate it when that happens? You’re the class bully, thinking you’re a 900-ton gorilla. You pick on this kid all year – you know, pin notes to his back, put garbage in the hood of his hoodie, steal his lunch money. You’re all cocky, yucking it up with your buddies, getting all your friends in on the act, just won’t leave this kid alone . . . until one day, this kid turns around and friggin’ cleans your clock. You’re laying there in the dust, nose bleeding, dazed and confused, wondering what the hell happened. And instead of manning up, you start whining to everybody who will listen that the kid pulled a cheap shot, what’d you ever do to him, that he really did you bogus. Hello President Obama. Hello Fox News. Fox News is getting its clock cleaned – and shows no sign of manning up.

Posted by: sherardg | October 21, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

An appeal by MoveOn.org:

"Dear MoveOn member,

All year, FOX has worked 24/7 to block President Obama's agenda—repeating lies about 'death panels,' promoting Tea Party protests, and whipping up fake political scandals.

Now, President Obama is fighting back. The White House communications director said FOX is a 'wing of the Republican Party...let's not pretend they're a news network' . . . To draw attention to its biased coverage, President Obama will not appear on FOX for the rest of this year . . . It's about time Democrats stood up to FOX! Can you sign this petition asking Democrats to support President Obama's stance by staying off FOX as long as he does? We'll deliver it to Sen. Burris and Sen. Durbin and Rep. Jackson. Clicking here will add your name."

Keep reading . . . .

"The petition says: 'Democrats should support President Obama's effort to call out FOX. Please stay off FOX for as long as he does.'

Democrats often appear on FOX in hopes of reaching out to conservative viewers. But FOX cuts off their mic, distorts what they say, or runs biased headlines at the bottom of the screen.4 In the end, Democrats always lose on FOX.

FOX insists there's a difference between its news shows and its right-wing opinion shows with Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, and others.

But in August, FOX's so-called news shows "aired 22 clips of town hall meeting attendees opposed" to Obama's health care plans and zero in support. CNN and MSNBC were more fair and balanced.

In another "news" story, FOX passed off a GOP press release as its own research—typo and all.

FOX executives now describe the channel as 'the voice of opposition' to Obama's agenda. FOX president Roger Ailes—a former adviser to Nixon, Reagan, and George H.W. Bush—said, 'I see this as the Alamo.'

But a Capitol Hill newspaper reports, 'In the House and Senate, Democrats who pledged to follow the administration's near-boycott of Fox were hard to find, although many expressed support for Obama's stance.'

Democrats will only find the courage to join Obama if they hear from enough concerned voters. Sign this petition to ask Sen. Burris and Sen. Durbin and Rep. Jackson to stay off FOX.

Clicking here will add your name:

http://civic.moveon.org/foxobama/o.pl?id=17603-17292837-6VfKBAx&t=4
Thanks for all you do.

Posted by: sherardg | October 21, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

sherardg: A playground school fight is probably not a level that the leader of the free world should be stooping to. Sorry, but what you view as comeuppance, mostly everyone else besides fierce partisans sees as flat out embarrassing. In fact I'd even argue your analogy could be reversed...isn't "whining about cheap shots" exactly what the administration is doing, rather than Fox News?

Look, I agree that Fox is biased. Most probably would. But really, to call them out and not MSNBC isn't exactly a sign that the administration is playing it down the middle either, and looks far more like petty whining about an organization that is not towing your line rather than "calling it like you see it."

Frankly, I'm getting tired of the excuses. Start governing and stop campaigning.

Posted by: Pike4 | October 21, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

The other stations at least criticize the Democrats as well as the republicans. On FOX, the republicans can do no wrong. And the time Hannity went to the Bush White House for a strategy meeting with other republicans during the eve of the last mid term election was considered bias journalism and promoting Rudy, and then Thompson and McCain for President and the hours upon hours of Rev Wright and Ayers pieces.
FOX is the de-fact stations of the Republican Party. Why don't they just admit it.

Posted by: sherardg | October 21, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama and the administration are finally doing what they should have been doing for 2 years, calling it like they see it. Fox has been instrumental in spreading lies and pushing the agenda of the right. You don't have to watch for very long to recognize whose side they're on. They pander to the far-right and eveyone pretended, for far too long, that what they do is factually report news. Recently, one of their producers was caught on tape trying to hype the crowd at a tea party rally. A new agency's job is to capture the event as it unfolds, and not attempt to influence it in any way. They literally wanted to give the perception that the demonstrators were angrier than they were, more excited than they were, and in greater numbers than they were.

Posted by: kthhrrsn | October 21, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

The Obama administration is finally doing what they should have done two years ago- calling it like they see it. Reasonable people know that Fox News is pusing the far-right Republican agenda, and they're trying to pass it off as factual news reporting. It's not. It's agenda pushing, and facts don't matter. Freedom of press is important in this country, but it's equally important to have truth in press. Fox news has been caught trying to create and/or influence news stories that follow their agenda. There was a producer caught on tape at the Tea Party rally trying to "hype" the crowd. What credible news agency would try to excite a crowd vs. reporting on the real state of the crowd? Not only did they try to inflate the excitement/anger of the crowd, they also tried to inflate the number of attendees.

It's really pathetic to watch, and I'm glad they're finally being called out for who they really are. I think they will either start to move away from their extreme right position on views, or they will be forced to stop calling themselves a legitimate news organization. I'd prefer Fox Enterntainment Channel personally.

Posted by: kthhrrsn | October 21, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

sherardg: Hannity is not a news journalist. He is strictly opinion and an admitted Republican. Expecting him to endorse a Democrat or to deliver content you would see on hard news pages in a newspaper would be like expecting Olbermann to start waving around "W" signs on his show. People like Hannity, Beck, Maddow, Olbermann...they're the same. They have shows where they get to spout their opinions using selective facts while not really giving you the whole story, and partisans for the respective sides eat that up, come back for more, and argue that their guy is stating the "truth" while the others are all liars.

If you're looking for objective news, you're fooling yourself if you go to any of the cable networks, really. You're better served using Google News links to reputable news organizations and reading multiple versions of the same story from multiple outlets to get the whole story. If you watch nothing but MSNBC, you're getting a ton more commentary from the left than the right. If you watch nothing but Fox News, you're getting a ton more commentary from the right than the left. Does that mean they shouldn't be allowed to go on the air? Well, MSNBC watchers would say yes about Fox, and Fox watchers would say yes about MSNBC. The President of the United States should not really wade into that to the degree he has. A passing comment about a news organization or a story is one thing...but harping on it for a week is absurd. Aren't there other things to take care of?

Posted by: Pike4 | October 21, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

We should not be talking about whether the White Houses attacks are effective. They are wrong. It is an attack on free speech and an attempt to derail debate.

I agree it is wrong to compare to Nixon, because Nixon was never so blatant. Someday student will study this attack on freedom of the press. If the attack succeeds, Obama will be the villain - worse than Nixon. If it fails, they will just be seen as silly and aggressive.

It is in the interests of freedom that this presidential power grab fails.

Posted by: JackBroadnax | October 21, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

kthhrrsn - there was a CNN reporter actively arguing with people at tea parties. CNN was airing the "United States of Canada" and "Jesusland" maps after the '04 election. Don't you think that also qualifies as not just reporting the news objectively? I agree with your points, but the sad truth is the genie's been out of the bottle for a loooong time and no one just reports the facts without any influence. Look at headlines during campaigns. You can tell the slant by how the headline is written:

"X Takes Y To Task On Issue Z"

sounds like X is engaging in healthy debate against his opponent Y, whereas

"X Assails Y On Issue Z"

sounds like X is viciously attacking Y.

Or even better...look at the photos. If they show one guy smiling and his opponent in an unflattering light, that's not on accident. There are many subtleties in news stories designed to influence how a reader perceives the issue.

I agree that it's pathetic to watch. But if you're the President and you're going to say something about one organization, then you know what...open that can of worms all the way.

Posted by: Pike4 | October 21, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Pike4 | October 21, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse
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You just admitted what I have said, Hannity is not a news journalist. He is strictly opinion and an admitted Republican.
I have a who lot of examples of his lies along with the rest of these entertainers lies but this space will not allow it. I don't see other journalist going to the white house pow wowing with then President Bush. I don't recall them out right endorsing President Candidates or making hatefull, irresponsible comments like Bill O'Reilly, playing the role of victim in the murder of Dr. George Tiller, but it’s accurate to say O'Reilly bears some responsibility for the doctor's death. He might as well have pulled the trigger. Or the man going to the Holocaust Museam and killing the black guard or the Ackerson murder. Can we prove that Bill O’Reilly’s hate message was strong enough to move Roeder to murder Dr. Tiller? Of course not. Its free speech. So why can't the President have free speech?

"The Factor has been looking into Dr. George Tiller of Kansas. For $5,000, he’ll perform late-term abortions" and then labeling him repeatedly as "Tiller the baby killer". Worse, in 2006 O'Reilly 2006 said: "[I]f I could get my hands on Tiller -- well, you know. . An nuts like David Atkinson engaged in a killing spree in February. Last July he had written "This was a symbolic killing. Who I wanted to kill was every Democrat in the Senate and House, the one hundred people in Bernand Goldberg’s Book." Can we prove the hate spewed by FOX is response for this of course not. And how many will the Nut Beck get killed. Time will tell.

Posted by: sherardg | October 21, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Or Sean Hannity's Fox News Show, Dick Morris carried forward the right-wing "let's scare the elderly" strategy by pushing the
"Obamacare will euthanize our seniors"

It's no secret that a large chunk of what remains of the Republican Party base is made up of under-informed, far-right extremists and the like. You have Glenn Beck on FOX saying Barack Obama Has A Deep-Seated Hatred Of White People! You have FOX ratings going through the roof and neo-nazi recruiting under the guise of Tea Parties. Instead of having the courage to either defend Beck or renounce him, Fox News Senior Vice President of Programming Bill Shine publicly tried to distance himself and the network from Beck’s remarks by saying his statement represented “his own views, not those of the Fox News Channel.” But the very next sentence gave Beck the go-ahead with a wink and a nod. “As with all commentators in the cable news arena, he is given the freedom to express his opinions.” Then, still without owning up to their tactics, the “fair and balanced” network doubled down on the racist attacks on Obama.

Posted by: sherardg | October 21, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

So as you see. They are not trying to shut down FOX. They are just dismissing it as a opinionated entertainment station. Kind of like The Daily Show with Jon Steward but even Jon does not pretend to be a news station.

Posted by: sherardg | October 21, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

It’s also funny that the Fox apologists, when faced with the evidence of Fox partisanship and right wing demagoguery (Beck, O’Reilly, Hannity, Fox&Friends), claim that these right wing talking sockpuppets are “conservative commentators” and, thus, not subject to the proper protocol for “real” journalism – which is how Fox defines itself. Though Fox News is widely known to be biased in favor of conservatism, the network likes to claim that is “fair and balanced” and that the objectivity of the “hard news” they do is “is not in question.” But in an interview with NPR, Fox News’ Senior Vice President for Programming, Bill Shine, admitted that the network is consciously aiming to be “the voice of opposition” to the Obama administration “on some issues”:
“There were a couple of people who basically wrote about our demise come last November (and) December and were, I guess, rooting for us to go away,” said Bill Shine, senior vice president for programming at the Fox News Channel. “With this particular group of people in power right now, and the honeymoon they’ve had from other members of the media, does it make it a little bit easier for us to be the voice of opposition on some issues?”

Posted by: sherardg | October 21, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who continually bash Fox news, would you at least have the courtesy of watching for a few days so you can have an intellectually honest discussion? I watch way too much TV and TIVO the shows, just so I can see who says what on both sides of the aisle. Most who scream the loudest about how much Fox lies clearly do not watch. Sure, you might spend 2 seconds passing by Glenn Beck screaming like a maniac, but I could do the same thing with Keith Olbermann. Doesn't mean I think he should be silenced. I'd love to have a polite discussion with those who oppose Fox to discuss specific points they are lying about. Shouting matches and name calling really aren't my thing. It doesn't get us anywhere.
The overwelming concerns of mine are that the White House wants to control dissent, as well as tell other news organizations to ignore the opposition. If the WH has problems with what FOX says, they are certainly entitled to hash it out in a civil case. If it doesn't concern you now because you agree with this particular administration, you should at least disagree on principle. If it is allowed now, who is to say that it won't happen when the political tide turns and you are suddenly on the opposition side? Don't you want your opinion to count? If so, you should consider this as an affront to your rights to express yourself. The political tide has always turned, and none of us know what the future holds.

Posted by: SunnyDLT | October 21, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Seems President Barack Obama and his Administration believes they should have no opposition to his Government, as he has absolutely no respect for "The Constitution of The United States of America"!
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Posted by: PaulRevere4 | October 22, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

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