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Obama's dumb war with Fox News

There’s only one thing dumber than picking a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel -- picking a fight with people who don’t even have to buy ink. The Obama administration’s war on Fox News is dumb on multiple levels. It makes the White House look weak, unable to take Harry Truman’s advice and just deal with the heat. It makes the White House look small, dragged down to the level of Glenn Beck. It makes the White House look childish and petty at best, and it has a distinct Nixonian -- Agnewesque? -- aroma at worst. It is a self-defeating trifecta: it distracts attention from the Obama administration’s substantive message; it serves to help Fox, not punish it, by driving up ratings; and it deprives the White House, to the extent it refuses to provide administration officials to appear on the cable network, of access to an audience that is, in fact, broader than hard-core Obama haters.

Sure, it’s legitimate -- and standard practice -- to dispense access and coveted interviews to favored reporters and news outlets. So is subtly doing the opposite: letting a reporter who’s filed a tough story know that he or she is in the doghouse by leaking a scoop to a competitor. The Bush administration routinely briefed conservative columnists before a big presidential speech; the Obama White House tends to call in ideological sympathizers. This is the way the game is played.

Where the White House has gone way overboard is in its decision to treat Fox as an outright enemy and to go public with the assault. Imagine the outcry if the Bush administration had pulled a similar hissy fit with MSNBC. “Opinion journalism masquerading as news,” White House communications director Anita Dunn declared of Fox. Certainly Fox tends to report its news with a conservative slant -- but has anyone at the White House clicked over to MSNBC recently? Or is the only problem opinion journalism that doesn’t match its opinion? On "Fox News Sunday," host Chris Wallace replayed a quote from an Obama interview: “I don't always get my most favorable coverage on Fox, but I think that's part of how democracy is supposed to work. You know, we're not supposed to all be in lock step here.”

Maybe he should tell the rest of the team.

By Ruth Marcus  | October 19, 2009; 4:59 PM ET
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Cable Companies who title their programming as NEWS should be neutral in their reporting.I have no problem with a cable company being partisan as long as they don't use the title "NEWS.They do not dispense the NEWS,they are advocating a political point of view and as such their programs should be so identified.

Posted by: rmosco | October 19, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

The whole thing with Fox is similar to the amateur way Obama and staff dealt with the Police v Gates nonsense.

How silly and undignified for Anita Dunn to go out on the White House lawn, looking like a Halloween Hag ranting indignantly about the Rockstar's treatment by Fox.

First, I love watching Fox and have never found it boring or other than fair and balanced when it comes to the news. Beck and other opinion shows have their own audiences and are doing just fine. Anita made it appear like Obama and staff are in the White House having a hissy fit acting like petulant adolescents.

It is all preposterous and crass. I don't care how important his media friends are, Obama is President and would be wise to start acting like it.

Posted by: 2009frank | October 19, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

"Cable Companies who title their programming as NEWS should be neutral in their reporting.I have no problem with a cable company being partisan as long as they don't use the title "NEWS.They do not dispense the NEWS,they are advocating a political point of view and as such their programs should be so identified."

Posted by: rmosco | October 19, 2009 5:37 PM
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Are you referring to CNN or MSNBC? Both editorialize and cherry pick their stories to buttress certain political ideologies. FoxNews is not alone.

Posted by: Jeff_in_DC | October 19, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Ruth read my post from the comments section in the article this morning. I posted this:

Comment on: White House officials to appear on Fox News at 10/19/2009 9:20 AM EDT
I wonder how loud the outcry would have been had Bush declared MSNBC an "opponent".

If Fox is the opponent, then MSNBC is the stenographer friend.

Posted by: thelaw1 | October 19, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

"It makes the White House look weak, unable to take Harry Truman’s advice and just deal with the heat."

There's a big difference between "heat" and blatant lies. For a long time the GOP (and their Ministry of Disinformation) has gotten away with browbeating timid Democrats, and Obama looks strong simply by confronting the bullies. (Think Joe McCarthy).

And where you when Bush and Cheney were studiously avoiding any contact with the outside world except for Fox, the AEI, and pre-screened military groups? I don't seem to remember you telling Bush and Cheney to deal with the heat then, which would seem to indicate that you are a hypocrite.

"It makes the White House look childish and petty at best, and it has a distinct Nixonian -- Agnewesque? -- aroma at worst."

That may have rung a bit more true before this summer, when the Tea Baggers shouted down everyone who disagreed with them, and started bringing guns to political events. The only ones that think those actions were "petty" are Birthers/Tea Baggers/Deathers, who would hate Obama no matter what.

"...and it deprives the White House, to the extent it refuses to provide administration officials to appear on the cable network, of access to an audience that is, in fact, broader than hardcore Obama haters."

Do you really think anyone who still watches Faux "News" is suddenly going to sit up and say to themselves "Hey, maybe Obama's not a socialist/foreigner/muslim/fascist after all...maybe Beck's been wrong all along"?

I don't, and clearly Obama doesn't either.

Posted by: wagner3792 | October 19, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I believe Ruthie thinks she's up to high standards here, but really she only shows her ignorance and her abdication of a journalist's job.

We didn't hear about the corruption of Van Jones or ACORN from the Post or Marcus now did we? No, we heard about it from lightweight Glen Beck. The Post didn't have any input into Congress, or the Census or HUD or etc cutting off funds to ACORN, no that would be Glen Beck.

The Post is an Obama pusher pure and simple. They choose not to investigate or bring out facts or truth unless it meets their pre-determined template, that being comforting and upholding and blowing the One.

Posted by: bandmom22 | October 19, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama's problem now is that FOX has a bigger audience than all the other cable news networks put together. His attack on FOX is also an attack on them, and they tend to vote.

Posted by: luncheaterguy | October 19, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

If Oboobie, et. al. wish to alienate 50% or more of the electorate, I say more power to them! They will hasten their own removal from office. As for Oboob and company telling other "news" agencies to disregard Fox, that's pretty funny. It appears the other networks have already done just that, much to their own chagrin. Fox's audience is much larger and growing every day. I say let the other Obama-only networks go out of business. Oh, but of course, Whacky Baracky will just bail them out.

Posted by: flintston | October 19, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

We are dismayed that the president of the United States is afraid to pull up a chair with Chris Wallace.

So much for our community organizer-chief.

Posted by: ruralamericans | October 19, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey Marcus, did you say it tends to drag the white house DOWN to the level of Glenn Beck?? Glenn Beck who helped expose the criminal Obama-loving organization ACORN?? Glenn Beck who exposed the corrucp zsar?? Those in the current administration would have to be elevated out of the slim before they could even approach the level of Glenn Beck. It is impossible to drag them down because there is not much lower to go.

Posted by: pawprints54 | October 19, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the White House is on to something. There is no doubt Fox is far right & anti-Obama. Why should the WH not treat them as an opponent? If the "liberal media" were not so busy playing follow-the-leader, they might also have the temerity to say the cable news king has no clothes on.

Posted by: MichaelTM | October 19, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Anita Dunn Admits she was Mao Zedong's Concubine!

http://02e56fa.netsolhost.com/blog1/index.php/2009/10/19/white-house-comm-director-anita-dunn-was

Posted by: panto1455 | October 19, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama's dumb war? The only thing dumb about not attacking Fox News is not attacking them every second of every day like they do Obama. Since when does it matter who has more ink (or psuedo ink)? Fox News feeds their cancerous anti-Obama hate into living rooms across the world non stop. In any other country they would be shot as traitors! Absolutely nothing but negative propaganda with no solutions for anything!

Posted by: JimW | October 19, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Fox News -- aka "Faux" News, "Fascist" News -- it's a mouth piece for the Republican Party and the "righteous-reich" wing nuts --

If truth showed on the faces of their 'reporters' and talk-show hosts -- they would never be on camera.....

However, there is such a thing as free speech -- it's just Fox News should never be allowed to call itself "news."

Posted by: abbydelabbey | October 19, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

luncheaterguy wrote:

"Obama's problem now is that FOX has a bigger audience than all the other cable news networks put together. His attack on FOX is also an attack on them, and they tend to vote."

You guys are always saying that Faux is the only media outlet that's not part of the "in-the-tank-for-Obama" MSM, right? So true blue Tea Baggers have no other outlet to watch, right?

If that's true, the true measure wouldn't be Faux's viewers against one of the others, but rather Faux's viewers against the total of all the others.

With that perspective, I would think that even mathematically-challenged Faux viewers would see that their influence (and the impact of their votes) is shrinking every day.

Posted by: wagner3792 | October 19, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

So how soon is Dancing With the Stars replaced by documentaries of the socialist worker's glorious harvest?

Wake UP, America!

Posted by: sosueme1 | October 19, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Fox News aka, The Jesus Channel/ GOP TV/ The Glorious Official Republican Government News Network.

While Fox News has the highest ratings, it’s also the same group of people that make up just 20% of America’s electorate… the far right-wing of the GOP.

There will always be an audience for the far right and that’s Rupert Murdock’s Fox News demographic.

Rupert keeps them frothing at the mouth with manufactured fear and GOP talking-points, phony outrage.

Fox is also a right-wing echo chamber.. notice that when “The Wall Street Journal”, “The Weekly Standard” people are on Fox News there’s never disclosure that these people are all Rupert Murdock employees.

Imagine if MSNBC or CNN did this… I don’t know how Fox News gets way with constantly recycling Rupert Murdock’s employees (sockpuppets) from his various media properties.

There’s hardly a word on the “MSM” about Murdock’s world wide (far right-wing) media empire.

Murdock has a lot of influence, example: all of his various sockpuppets, Hannity, Beck, etc, and all of Murdock’s worldwide media holdings trash global warming, President Obama and anything else right-wing Rupert Murdock dislikes.

I think that press and especially individual journalists are deathly afraid of Rupert Murdock and what he can do to them professionally.

Rupert Murdock is the new William Randolph Hearst.

Another thing, Sarah Palin, who is a favorite among the Faux News/ Right-wing crowd is getting Rupert Murdock’s wingnut welfare.

Palin’s (Rupert Murdock’s ghostwriter) book publisher is HarperCollins… a wholly owned Rupert Murdock subsidiary, you ‘betcha.


Also, there should be an award given to the guy that writes the ominous, scary music for Fox News... he's obviously a full-time employee.

No seriously... whenever there's a special where Rupert Murdock wants to convince Americans that Saddam Hussein has WMD, or that Iran/North Korea is going to attack America tomorrow, or a Hannity or Beck segment where they want to scare their right-wing audience (even more) there's always that ominous music to go along with the story.

It's like a scary GOP music video.

Posted by: republican_disaster | October 19, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Amateur hour continues indefinitely in the Office of the President of the U.S.A. They are cowards. This is all just a ruse to avoid debate over Afghanistan and their dedicated effort to quit the war in the very place where Prince Obama said we should be at war.

They are willing to sabotage any and all progress made to date in Afghanistan.

They then have temerity to claim a year after being elected and having ignored Afghanistan until now, that it's all the previous President's fault.

That boat will not float any longer. Instead of dealing with Afghanistan, the cowards running the White House have adhered to a carefully orchestrated plan to ignore it.

They ought to be thrown out of office, prosecuted for treason and hanged in the park across the street after they are convicted.

Posted by: JohnKrats | October 19, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

The nearest thing to news in the U.S.A. is PBS providing you have a antenna, the cable channels has on screen PUNDITS, whom i have caught giving misleading information more then once, their job is to hold your attention until the next commercial.

Leading up to the Iraq war i caught FOX giving false information, Fox as most cable channels, has the well dressed on screen people who do not know what is what and have to past them selfs off as well informed people, and they ARE NOT.

These news channels are for them who do care to THINK FOR THEM SELFS.

Posted by: dv1236 | October 19, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

If you cannot dispute the facts, kill the messenger.

Posted by: vaincre | October 19, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Marcus wrote: "Imagine the outcry if the Bush administration had pulled a similar hissy fit with MSNBC."

Gee, how many times have we heard Bush and Cheney cry about "liberal media"? Maybe they didn't point out a specific target, but all of their supporters did, and it was clear that they are referring to anybody slightly to the left of Fox News.

The Right-wing has been controlling the rest of the media for a long time by shouting "liberal media". These stations thought the only way they could get rid of that label is to all give the right-wing side of the story, no matter how nonsensical it was (examples include global warming and the suggestion that Saddam Hussein had WMD and scud missiles). It's about time somebody is fighting back against this. If the rest of the media had some gonads, then the president would not have to do it himself. But it looks like the only way to push you guys into action is to have somebody prominent like Obama point out how lame you are.

Posted by: Jake_D | October 19, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Fox News aka, The Jesus Channel/ GOP TV/ The Glorious Official Republican Government News Network.

While Fox News has the highest ratings, it’s also the same group of people that make up just 20% of America’s electorate… the far right-wing of the GOP.

There will always be an audience for the far right and that’s Rupert Murdock’s Fox News demographic.

Rupert keeps them frothing at the mouth with manufactured fear and GOP talking-points, phony outrage.

Fox is also a right-wing echo chamber.. notice that when “The Wall Street Journal”, “The Weekly Standard” people are on Fox News there’s never disclosure that these people are all Rupert Murdock employees.

Imagine if MSNBC or CNN did this… I don’t know how Fox News gets way with constantly recycling Rupert Murdock’s employees (sockpuppets) from his various media properties.

There’s hardly a word on the “MSM” about Murdock’s world wide (far right-wing) media empire.

Murdock has a lot of influence, example: all of his various sockpuppets, Hannity, Beck, etc, and all of Murdock’s worldwide media holdings trash global warming, President Obama and anything else right-wing Rupert Murdock dislikes.

I think that press and especially individual journalists are deathly afraid of Rupert Murdock and what he can do to them professionally.

Rupert Murdock is the new William Randolph Hearst.

Another thing, Sarah Palin, who is a favorite among the Faux News/ Right-wing crowd is getting Rupert Murdock’s wingnut welfare.

Palin’s (Rupert Murdock’s ghostwriter) book publisher is HarperCollins… a wholly owned Rupert Murdock subsidiary, you ‘betcha.


Also, there should be an award given to the guy that writes the ominous, scary music for Fox News... he's obviously a full-time employee.

No seriously... whenever there's a special where Rupert Murdock wants to convince Americans that Saddam Hussein has WMD, or that Iran/North Korea is going to attack America tomorrow, or a Hannity or Beck segment where they want to scare their right-wing audience (even more) there's always that ominous music to go along with the story.

It's like a scary GOP music video.

Posted by: republican_disaster | October 19, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama and his administration are acting like juveniles. Dumb on many levels....I hope they keep it up.

Posted by: thebink | October 19, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

The Economist (British) last summer ran an article on their investigation into why so many Americans have such distorted notions of world affairs.

They discovered that the most misled Americans obtained their news predominately from Fox News.

When I posted a question on Fox News forum asking if the patrons there were aware of this fact, my question (and my account) were deleted.

Posted by: bushieisa | October 19, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I am trying to imagine the Bush White House declaring CBS the "enemy" after Dan Rather's famous story about Bush's National Guard service. That was in September before the election. Imagine the indignation that would have waxed hotly over Bush and all of his administration for refusing to talk to or answer any CBS questions after that. The Obamites really are amateurs, and who would have believed that in an attempt to achieve tit for tat, they have only managed to give Fox millions of dollars worth of free publicity. Getting the White House to act as your advertising agency is no mean feat.

Posted by: LaLydia | October 19, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

The only problem withn fox network is that the Obamama Administration aknowleged their exisitence. They Are Garbage and EVEREYONE know it . NEWS HA . The sin of the Obama Administration is that they reconise this piece of crap "news" organisation as legitime. They are not.

Posted by: williamsimswls | October 19, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

“Opinion journalism masquerading as news"

Joe Mathews, Senior Fellow, New America Foundation:

I'm not sure if Fox qualifies as a "legitimate news organization," if the phrase has much meaning anymore, or even whether such questions matter. Fox is a partisan organization that does a little news (some of it reliable) and a lot of commentary that borders on quackery.
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Australian-born billionaire Keith Rupert Murdoch has used the U.S. government's increasingly lax media regulations to consolidate his hold over media and to impose his agenda on this country..You're allowing a FOREIGNER to dictate you thoughts and opinions...how American are you????Are the FOX Americans stupid? YESSSSSSS....

Lindarc (Still Lovin' this Country)

Posted by: lindarc | October 19, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

“Opinion journalism masquerading as news"

Joe Mathews, Senior Fellow, New America Foundation:

I'm not sure if Fox qualifies as a "legitimate news organization," if the phrase has much meaning anymore, or even whether such questions matter. Fox is a partisan organization that does a little news (some of it reliable) and a lot of commentary that borders on quackery.

Australian-born billionaire Keith Rupert Murdoch has used the U.S. government's increasingly lax media regulations to consolidate his hold over media and to impose his agenda on this country..You're allowing a FOREIGNER to dictate you thoughts and opinions...how American are you????Are the FOX Americans stupid? YESSSSSSS....

Lindarc (Still Lovin' this Country)

Posted by: lindarc | October 19, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

“Opinion journalism masquerading as news"

"I'm not sure if Fox qualifies as a "legitimate news organization," if the phrase has much meaning anymore, or even whether such questions matter. Fox is a partisan organization that does a little news (some of it reliable) and a lot of commentary that borders on quackery."

Australian-born billionaire Keith Rupert Murdoch has used the U.S. government's increasingly lax media regulations to consolidate his hold over media and to impose his agenda on this country..You're allowing a FOREIGNER to dictate you thoughts and opinions...how American are you????Are the FOX Americans stupid? YESSSSSSS....

Lindarc (Still Lovin' this Country)

Posted by: lindarc | October 19, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

You know you're hitting nerves when people post in all capitals HAHAHAHAHAHA...see how very silly you look?

Posted by: thebink | October 19, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

just this morning i heard joe scarborough, a republican, say that he remembers president bush II having a similar agenda with msnbc. that was this morning. on morning joe. 10-19-09. is he wrong?

Posted by: bruce30 | October 19, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

When you skew poll results, omit information and blatantly interject your bias into what you're calling "news" it's no longer news and can't be called news.

Posted by: blarsen1 | October 19, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Some say one can judge a person by their enemies. The President can do better than Fox, or Beck, or Limbaugh.

Take me for example, I have managed to make enemies with the Washington Post and the Minneapolis Tribune. They have taken to shutting me off now and again.

Now this makes me feel important and all kinda good inside. After all, I'm just another poor gadfly buzzing around the pile, who from time to time, shares my opinions about politics and the decline of our country and its citizenry.

Oh yeah, I make it a regular practice to point out how the corporate media tilts their stories to benefit the business community. This is sore spot with them.

So, my advice to David Axerod and the President's administration is to aim a little higher. Whip on the banks! They'd make a good enemy.

Better yet, threaten to write a National Divestiture Act that will break up the monopolies and cartels feeding on the U.S. Treasury. They'd make good enemies too.

Posted by: Vunderlutz | October 19, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm really not all that surprised that someone representing the WaPo editorial page thinks Pres. Obama should just accept blatant lying. After all, that's what this editorial page does from several of its right-wing contributors.

Posted by: sembtex | October 19, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

The unfair treatment given to our President by this Fox news network is detrimental to peoples’ well-being and development. It isn't fair. The news media was very nice to Bush, and now they are discriminating against Obama because he is the first black president of the world.

Our President is exposed, repeatedly and over time, to negative actions on the part of Fox news. Fox news intentionally inflicts injury and discomfort upon another Obama, through physical contact, through words and in other ways.

This repeated, health-harming mistreatment, verbal abuse, and conduct is threatening, humiliating, intimidating, sabotaging and interfering with the work that our President is trying to do for the people of this world.

The psychological manipulation being perpetrated by Fox news is a felony in the USA, and anti-Fox news legislation is being proposed in all 50 states.

It is TIME TO END the US of KKK A.

Posted by: mock1ngb1rd | October 19, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow, it hurts when Ruth Marcus calls you dumb. She's rather an expert on the subject.

Fox is a propaganda network that serves the Republican party. There's no reason for anyone--including White House staffers or the President himself--to be shy about saying so.

What does Glenn Beck contribute to our public discourse? Answer honestly. This has nothing to do with political ideology.

Posted by: SportinLife | October 19, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

"When you skew poll results, omit information and blatantly interject your bias into what you're calling "news" it's no longer news and can't be called news."

Oh, you mean like the wash post does?

Libs cannot stand to be challenged. Their message is built on deceit carried through by a pliant media. You know why the media is liberal? think it is altruism? Ha, it is because the more power is concentrated, the more power the mouthpieces have. It isn't that hard to figure out. If power is dispersed who cares what any one particular media outlet says.

Keep making the pithy comments about Fox libs. Your fear is funny. You can't control the flow of info any more so most of us do not believe you bull.

Posted by: standard_guy | October 19, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

By all means, keep talking Left types. President Bush couldn't make a move without being trashed by the networks. Either you're lying or downright nuts if you didn't see that. Several networks even admitted to being slanted but of course even that wasn't reported in the mainstream. Open your eyes already, google a bit and learn some truths. Your country's at stake and that's a bit bigger than your egos and being right.

Posted by: thebink | October 19, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Very amateurish and high-school-like:

Axelrod to other Cable Stations: If you are like Fox News, you are SOOOOO un-cool. Noooo WAY I will be your friend!

Posted by: pgr88 | October 19, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely nothing but negative propaganda with no solutions for anything!

Posted by: JimW | October 19, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Why do you want solutions? You already have all the answers.

Posted by: AkCoyote | October 19, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

pr88, it's SO very simple. It's REVENGE of the NERDS.

Posted by: thebink | October 19, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I think it is comical that you refer to tell readers to: "take Harry Truman’s advice and just deal with the heat."

You state a fact: "It makes the White House look small" Yet you insult one of your own for doing what you do when a Republican is in office: "dragged down to the level of Glenn Beck."
FACT: "It makes the White House look childish and petty at best, and it has a distinct Nixonian -- Agnewesque? -- aroma at worst."
Obama can not take the heat. His political lies are destroying America as we know it and turning it into a Socalist Government hellbent on Taxing, taxing, taxing and for what? Medical care (universal medical care)? We have it - it is called Medicaid for anyone under 65 and Medicare for anyone over 65. The Democrats want to secure votes by offering healthcare to the illegals and non-citizens like himself. And for what? The Vote, A vote that will destroy America.

I have no issue with freedom of speech, but I do have issues with the media that do double talks. Most modern day medias do this - since Obama came to town. They slam all presidents (except Obama) without fear of retrobution and or retaliation, but let them speak out against Obama and the gloves come off. His White House is allowed to bully their way around the country threatening to have people arrested for speaking out against his socialist agenda. They are tagged as Brown Shirts, traitors, uneducated, and the list goes one.....

Daniel in Louisiana

Posted by: Gulfcoasttravelerla | October 19, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

I strongly suspect that Hitler was a weasley little nerd.

Posted by: thebink | October 19, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

The Obama Administration is absolutely right to choose not to waste time and energy on Fox. Obama is just "calling a spade a spade". It is refreshing to hear that kind of honesty.

Far from simply giving "another perspective" on the news, Fox deliberately obfuscates the facts and focuses on sensationalist, non news items to the exclusion of intelligent discussion about important issues.

They do a disservice to our democracy and the President is right to disclude them from responsible conversation.

Posted by: abright1 | October 19, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

thebink- although I hate to defend Hitler (I mean really folks can anyone sink any lower, lol), He actually was a war hero. He won the 'Iron Cross' in World War I. Thats like getting the Congressional Medal of honor by the way for those of you that don't know any history. Also Germany is the country in the middle of Europe.

Posted by: DCDave11 | October 19, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Another idiotic column.

Posted by: cfo1999 | October 19, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

What I don't here from the comments is the anger at how much a waste of time this fight with Fox is. Are there not any other business to spend time on, maybe war, terrorism, or even the economy. But don't take my word for it, my the jobless rate, the bank meltdowns, or even my husband overseas in a war. I must stop my whining right, I mean this is something so important that it must be taken care of now!! Those little things can take care of themselves just by ignoring them. Silly me I just don't get politics.

Posted by: marimayko | October 19, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

FOX = Hillbilly white trash network.

Posted by: osiuerer | October 19, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else.

Theodore Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918

Posted by: TR1904 | October 19, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

DCdave, if you google "Hitler was a nerd", you can find some interesting goodies about him. People with no power or control over their lives tend to lash out those that have actually gotten somewhere. A nerdy leader that they can identify with makes them downright feisty.

Posted by: thebink | October 19, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Whine, Whine, Whine, I can't tell if it's the Obama administration or his supporters that are crying the worse. If Obama is doing such a great job for you and this country, then anything Fox reports is trivial. But since Obama and his administration of left wing Czars leave a lot to be desired in setting great examples of past and present behaviours. The lack of being transparent, honest, and allowing tax payers and citizens to express their disgust without declaring them to be home grown terrorists, why wouldn't a person listen to Fox News.
You sure won't get one iota of information from the network news channels that even contradicts what Fox broadcasts let alone support it.
Tell me who's not doing their job objectivly and unbiased? Keeping your mouth shut and not reporting the news good, bad, or otherwise is not supporting Obama. Maybe our great NBC,CBS and ABC are just ashamed of being his supporters to get him elected.
I'd sure hide my face if I voted for him.

Posted by: jhnjdy | October 19, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Fox does do the news as does ABC, NBC, CBS. But not all their shows are news shows.

Fox news shows are very well balanced presenting liberal and conservative sides.

Hannity, Beck, O'Reilly are commentary shows - not news shows.

Fox is clearly the only news channel who is presenting any "negative" comments about Team Obama. Good for them.

In polls before the election Fox presented 50 positive stories to 50 negative on both candidates - in other words both sides.

ABC, NBC, CBS were presenting 70 positive stories about Obama to 10 negative. Not exactly balanced eh?

Posted by: debmries | October 19, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

If nothing else, this makes clear the Obama White House's feelings and official position concerning Freedom of the Press and the 1st Amendment in general.

What a joke, these liberals cannot handle criticism or dissent.

FOX news is a big, mean bully.


Posted by: mock1ngb1rd | October 19, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

President Obama and his White House Cadre have shown their true colors by attacking Fox News. They are obviously small and petty in their thinking. More revealing, and to the disgust of most citizens, they have shown their propensity for tyranny. Someone should tell Obama that he is an elected official, not King Barack of Chicago. This pathetic little man that managed to get elected to the highest office in the land has no sense of his relative lack of importance in the cosmic scheme of things. He views himself as a replacement for God almighty. When 2010 and 2012 arrive, he will discover his true status in life. It is such a shame that he is wasting what could have been a monumental presidency.

Posted by: jerdjon | October 19, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Reciting cliches about the media is not informative. Its not like FoxNews would alter its positions and become more negative if Obama is mean to them. They ARE opposed to all the administration does. Its Fox that has pursued the partisan end. To sum up, you're wrong. You're defending the media, even when it has shifted to being biased and hostile.

Posted by: Babar1 | October 19, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

It takes only a few minutes of watching Faux news to see that Obama is right on this one. Tactics, schmactics. Since when is it wrong to just tell the truth? The rest of the media only look liberal to people who have swallowed the Faux Kool-aid.

Posted by: NomoStew | October 19, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

The FOX will hand back obama and his liberal pied piper koolaid drinkers their colon in a wet paper bag...that why being wet they can actually fight their way out of something.

Posted by: JWx2 | October 19, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Don't fight with fox. Just ignore it.They play to the right-wing. Noone there will ever vote for Obama. Let them dwell in their house of the lord(Voldemart or Murdoch)by themselves forever.

Posted by: bobtich | October 19, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

FOX = Hillbilly white trash network.

Posted by: osiuerer | October


Oh, yes, the "hillbilly" attack. Only liberal elitists are allowed to have political opinions, not the actual providers of jobs in this country, known as "conservatives" in some circles. Keep calling them silly names and hopefully they will notice and lay you off first! :>)

Posted by: wbindner | October 19, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Fox "news" is anything but fair and balanced. It is sensationalized, to say the least. Obama (the White House) is not off-base in their response to Fox "news." It does not make them look weak, either. Rather, it simply means that they openly, publicly do not endorse Fox "news." Get over it if you find the need to concern yourself with how the White House might appear as an emabarrasment. That is just more sensationalism at its worst. Bravo Obama! Speak your mind. At least that is something we can believe in!

Posted by: halhelmboldt | October 19, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Amen Ruth. The point isn't whether Fox is opinionated or not. Of course they are, but no more so than MSNBC. The point is how Americans aren't as dumb as Mr. Axelrod and Ms. Dunn seem to think we all are. And certainly not as stupid as White House staffers who feel the need to complain about the obvious because they lack the courage to engage on topics with those who might not share they're every opinion.

Posted by: edco2 | October 19, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I would guess that it must be getting hot in the White House kitchen, as the light of truth from Fox News is shining on the obama administration.
Obama's true calling as a neo-socialist has been exposed by Fox News in his deeds, his agenda and by the circle of friends that he has around him.

Ed Menendez's Blog says it so much more eloquently than I.

http://menendez.com/blog/the-neo-socialist-revolution-has-begun/

Posted by: spiris333 | October 19, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

It appears that the White House staff is about as ignorant as many other liberals in their ability to discern "news" from "political commentary". I don't consider Glenn Beck any more a "journalist" than I do Keith Olbermann or Bill Maher.

For the White House staff to get this wound up over criticism and start making what appear to be policy statements regarding it just makes them appear petty and whiny.

And why, if everything that was said by Fox pundits was untrue, did Van Jones feel it necessary to resign, and Congressional Democrats and Republicans overwhelmingly voted to de-fund ACORN in the face of the respective scandals exposed by Fox critics?

Posted by: EddietheInfidel | October 19, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

MARCUS ; YOU JUST PROVED THAT YOU ARE THE SAME MEDIA TRASH LIKE FOX, PLUS RACIST MUST BE YOUR MIDDLE NAME, FOX PROVES EVERYDAY THEIR BELIVE IN RACISM & TRASH.

Posted by: mtavro | October 19, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it's pretty dumb of the Obama administration to single out Fox. If they don't like them, they should just quietly deny them access and not make a big deal of it.

I understand the frustration with Fox. They make all of their money on political division and partisan rage, so they're always fanning the flames and trying to strike up a controversy. If your goal is bipartisanship and bringing people back to the center, Fox really is your worst enemy.

Still, there's no way for the White House to win a war like this. What does victory even look like? Fox News decides to stop broadcasting? All of its viewers suddenly decide they've had enough maudlin hyper-patriotism and switch off Glenn Beck? It just doesn't work that way.

Posted by: ponkey | October 19, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

The Obamabots who hysterically obsess over Fox News -- the ONLY news channel they obsess over -- are sounding more and more like they could use some electro-shock therapy. Would you just get over your hysterical shrieking about Fox News 24/7?

Posted by: RedderThanEver | October 19, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Chicago thugs and their "new" America. Growth of their enemy list is second only to their budget deficits.

Posted by: NoWeCant | October 19, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Fox is absolutely the best "legitimate news organization" in America today. In fact, from my point of view it is the most honest, accurate and entertaining of the news options.

More, most of the "other" news organizations are so obviously tainted liberal as WaPo is. It is no surprise to me that a Socialist leaning administration would want to silence an honest press that actually reports the news - and Fox does it with such style and energy that they capture a huge audience that includes independents, liberals and conservatives.

I am referring to the news. Beck and Hannity are opinion shows and seem to be doing fine with their audiences. Like radio, liberals can't attract an audience even when the government subsidizes it.

People are hungry for a free press that truly is fair and balanced in their presentation of the news. Fox does that, and you can't help but smile when watching their excellent family of news talent.

I wonder if government workers in DC have to watch Fox in secret in order to avoid the political angst of Anita Dunn and her ilk.

Posted by: 2009frank | October 19, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Since you in the "legitimate" news orgs won't do it, someone in power had to point out the way that Faux colludes with the RNC, Politico, Drudge, wingnut bloggers, etc., to present their own alternative take on reality... every single day.
Everything on Faux slants right... way right. You know it, I know it, and every single person with a functioning brain knows it.
Most Americans are with the Prez on this, as they are on most issues. Yeah, I wish he was tougher on the wingnuts and in getting legislation passed, but the guy hasn't been wrong yet. Of course, if you're a minority wingnut, he can never do anything right... but that's due to watching Faux and, even worse, believing their slanted rightwing propaganda and ignoring all other news oulets.

Posted by: badgervan | October 19, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

To all you clever people who like to write "Faux" news. You are showing your ignorance. If you knew the most rudimentary French, you would know that faux is pronounced "foe" not "fox."

Posted by: lisalu | October 19, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

If Fox is the opponent, then MSNBC is the stenographer friend.

Posted by: thelaw1

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This nonsense is repeated here by many right wing posters, as well as many of the pundits writing about this.

The fact that MSNBC has three solid hours of opinion programming with conservative Republican Joe Scarborough every day seems to be just ignored as inconvenient, not to mention the fact that the "pro-Obama" liberals like Olbermann and Maddow take on Obama all the time when they don't like his policies.

That's some stenography. Three hours of Republican opinion, then three hours of non-Republicans (they only get one hour each, Scarborough gets three) and if you think Scarborough is a "cheerleader" for Obama then you've never watched him.

Isn't it funny how Ruth Marcus here just repeats the FOX News response itself: This is "bad" for Obama and diminishes him. This is the right wing FOX line, and it ends up being parroted by everyone except the few like Olbermann who actually challenge the FOX viewpoint.

And then man, do the right wingers start screaming. One voice not in lockstep with the basically conservative media view, or maybe two, and it's suddenly "liberal media" all over.

Right.

Posted by: BillEPilgrim | October 19, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

The press is owned by bullies. Murdoch is the worst of the worst. Why shouldn't they be taken-on once in a while?

I hope that Murdoch's old technology, newspapers, drags him down until he is broke. That guy has abused his position ever since he took hold of his inheritance.

Murdoch and his cronies challenge politicians and members of society but they want immunity from attack in relation to themselves. They cause much harm to individuals and society because they lack scruples when its suits them.

Keep on kicking Murdoch and those unintelligent charlatans who work at Fox.

Posted by: robertjames1 | October 19, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

The main-stream press defending the mainstream press. How shocking, Ms. Marcus.

Posted by: kingsbridge77 | October 20, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

This is a thin-skinned White House. When the occupants can't blame Bush, they blame Fox. Meanwhile, they dither on Afghanistan and on health care. "Incompetent" is too kind but the only adjective that's fit to print.

Posted by: judithod | October 20, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

What a waste of newspaper and television space?! Who cares! If I remember right, the Bush Administration didn't spend much time at MSNBC. All this whining is riculous and most people don't even care.

Posted by: sharronkm | October 20, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

I feel strongly that Obama is frightened to death over what a very unafraid news agency MIGHT uncover about him.

Posted by: EcoAZ | October 20, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Ruth Marcus is right, the strident criticisms by Fox "news" is hardly different from the equally strong negative "news" coverage by MSNBC of the Bush presidency. I thought Keith Obermann and Rachel Maddow were great in how they covered the Bush-Cheney regime. Fox seemed to be the propaganda network for the Bush administration.

However, to be honest, MSNBC has so often seemed to be the propaganda channel for the Obama administration, I no longer watch any of their "news" shows. Actually "news" coverage by all of the television shows has significantly declined since the 1980's.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | October 20, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

It's kinda fun reading the comments and noting what sort of writer likes Fox News -- spelling, grammar, maturity level, anger management -- and what sort of writer doesn't. The differences are pretty consistent.

The correlation between political conservatism and incomplete education is too strong to dismiss.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 20, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

I feel strongly that Obama is frightened to death over what a very unafraid news agency MIGHT uncover about him.

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More birther trash.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 20, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Anita Dunn was far to generous. Fox is not "Opinion 'journalism' masquerading as news". It is the purposeful, cynical manipulation of people who wouldn't know news if it was delivered to them with breakfast in bed. Ditto MSNBC.

The people pitching "them versus us" are a plague. Obama needs to tell all of them they to take a hike.

Posted by: exco | October 20, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't this indicate that the Administration believes it has most of the other communication media in its pocket? Doesn't it indicate that in fact the Obama Administration until recently has had pretty much of an 'Amen Chorus' from the greatest share of the Media? And doesn't it too indicate that this Administration all for an open and free press primarily when it serves their interests?

Posted by: ShalomFreedman | October 20, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Of course it is dumb.

It further suggests Fox may be "On Target."

Otherwise - who would care?

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Posted by: T-Prop | October 20, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

I don't know what's worse, the knuckle heads that believe Fox news is to blame for our nations troubles, or the smooth brains that think the Washington Post is actually impartial.

Everyone needs to get a clue, if you don't like FOX News........DON"T WATCH!!!!!!! Come on people! quite your b!tchin and do something with your lives! Stop worrying about other people and actually do something yourself!

Posted by: acruxksa | October 20, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

What's wrong with Fox News?

I love the Simpsons.

Posted by: ignatz | October 20, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

So right to describe this administration, with the comments of Dunn, Emanuel, Axelrod, as childish. It blows me away that these weasels would be so petty. Amateur hour at the White House.

Posted by: justamaz | October 20, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Ms. Marcus for telling it like it is. Obama is a smart man but this was a dumb, dumb decision. Fox News is news. There is not a better newsman than Shepard Smith or Major Garrett. Fox opinion - with Beck, Hannity etc. is just that - opinion. If people don't like them - don't watch.

Posted by: Kansas28 | October 20, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Someone needed to have the guts to stand up and call a spade a spade. Fox News is a cheerleader for the right wing and presents nothing resembling news. They got SO biased that there was no longer any point to not confronting them.

Posted by: dolph924 | October 20, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse

I consider myself a liberal democrat, especially on social issues, but I watch "Fox News Sunday" because I want diversity in my news. I think Obama, like many presidents, has people on his team that use their position to press their own agendas.

Posted by: paris1969 | October 20, 2009 12:39 AM | Report abuse

I don't know what's worse, the knuckle heads that believe Fox news is to blame for our nations troubles, or the smooth brains that think the Washington Post is actually impartial.

Everyone needs to get a clue, if you don't like FOX News........DON"T WATCH!!!!!!! Come on people! quite your b!tchin and do something with your lives! Stop worrying about other people and actually do something yourself!

Posted by: acruxksa | October 20, 2009 12:34 AM |
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Great Post.

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Posted by: T-Prop | October 20, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

In other words, members of the Obama administration have no right to try to get their word out or express their opinion? Oh, you're talking politics. Well, politically, if the Obama administration froze out publications and broadcasters who did the bidding of Republicans, would all but two or three Washington Post columnists have any access to the White House, considering how in the tank this newspaper was to the Bush administration? Sorry, Ms. Marcus, but get your own house in order before criticizing the houses of others, including the White House.

Posted by: greenm1 | October 20, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Evidently Marcus does not watch MSNBC, where the Obama Administration has been assailed consistently in recent months, from the left, from the right, and from the liberal center.

MSNBC may offer the kind of "biased" opinion journalism the public of all stripes seems to prefer these days -- God help us -- but it is by no means the propaganda arm of either the Democratic Party or the Obama White House in the way Fox has played that role for the Republican Party now and during the Bush years.

If there is a fault here, a party to which we all ought point a collective finger of blame, it is our supposed mainstream traditional media that has lost the confidence of the public -- left, right, and center -- in abdicating its responsibility to The Commons of our national political discourse, substituting the "balance" of he-said-she-said canned talking point presentations, and dutiful echos of PR masters' press releases (aka "leaks") for any attempt to get to the simple truth and keep the public informed.

Posted by: washpost29 | October 20, 2009 12:50 AM | Report abuse

These are the craziest comments I've ever read. The Obama administration is simply addressing the elephant in the room: that what is played on Fox News is not actually "news" in any way, shape, or form. Simply calling those angry, mean-spirited, and racist lies anything but "extreme commentary" is in fact irresponsible. It will be much harder for Obama and his team to fix this country when entities like Fox News and Sarah Palin repeatedly lie and rile up these simple-minded people who are fueled primarily by racism. I know Ruth Marcus (and other so-called "independents") like to thing they are always right simply because they are "in the middle," but honestly that was a stupid column. I believe that most people see Obama's latest move against Fox News as incredibly smart and strategic and ballsy. He needed to cut them off at their ankles by revealing them for what they are: an extreme entertainment entity which propogates pure lies. There actually is no other point of view on this. Take for example... health care. Obama is trying to affect positive change in this messed up industry and to help as many Americans as possible by intiating health care legislation. He bravely decided to do this by (a) putting his neck on the line and (b) trying to work with Republicans. But Fox News is doing everything it can to disrupt this noble effort: spreading lies about Obama's plan, getting its listeners all riled up and encouraging them to disrupt the flow of democracy, using extreme push-button words: socialism, nazism, etc. Fox News does not produce any reporting of the news. It is difficult to compete against a complete liar. Sometimes all you can do is call out the liar for its lies.

Posted by: Urnesto | October 20, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

"Much Ado About Nothing"

If you'd stop writing about it, nothing would come of it.

Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere | October 20, 2009 12:52 AM | Report abuse

More birther trash.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite

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Ad hominem. Ineffective and unacceptable.

Posted by: EcoAZ | October 20, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Marcus makes the mistake of assuming that Fox News is an unbiased news reporting organization, when if fact everyone with even the slightest consciousness know it is nothing more than a mouthpiece for a right-wing conservative party.

In fact, Fox itself makes it proudly obvious in its bias.

It's OK for Marcus to make comparisons with truman, Nixon, etc., but there was no modern equivalent to Fox until recently. Neither Truman not Nixon ever had to endure a massive, super-financed, national cable network that were markedly against them.

Rupert Murdoch came to America (being much reviled in his own country), was granted citizenship so he could get around media ownership regulations, and proceeded to bash democrats with unremmitting vitriol.

Under the circumstances, I think the president is showing remarkable restraint. If I were the president I'd have Murdoch up on charges of being an agent of mischief and sabotage to the American system and its delicate balance of democratic processes.

Before Murdoch's take-over and remake of Fox, we never had such a large and powerful media organization that was so terminally one-sided, and, though this might make the right-wing happy, they should realize that it is not good for the country and it is creating viscious battle-lines that are becoming hateful and insideous.

As a moderate republican, Fox 'News' and its seemingly sinister private agenda makes me worried for my country. As conservatives we never needed such an organization before in this country, and I don't believe we need it now.

A mere evening's view of their so-called 'news' reporting will convince anyone that they are most definitely NOT a part of the Fourth Estate that our founding fathers envisioned as a check on BOTH parties.

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Posted by: GooberBoy | October 20, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Since when is telling the truth 'going to war'? "treating" Fox "like an outright enemy"? Fox IS an outright enemy of this administration, that's just a fact, they've behaved like an outright enemy since well before the inauguration, and they're going to keep on behaving as an outright enemy of the administration whatever the Obama administration does or does not do.

Why is it so hard for the legitimate media to admit this? Any organization that creates an anti-government 'movement' and then extensively promotes and publicizes the 'movement' that they created is self-evidently a political organization, NOT a news organization.

Posted by: JoyceLH | October 20, 2009 1:04 AM | Report abuse

What do you call it? Turn-the-other-cheek? Take the high road? Not worth the trouble? Enough, already! Your recall of history is wrong too - Harry Truman wasn't called a racist; he wasn't called a socialist; he got heat - as did FDR and others who passed great legislation - but he wasn't vilified as this president is. The times are different. Now, the brassiness of Fox and people like Beck and Rush are debated and applauded, and even people like you, Ruth Marcus, will allow it to go on, without a peep! Sure, the president has a busy agenda, but to ignore insults to your face and not take care of it is wimpy in the extreme. If he and his staff did that - there will be detractors and admirers calling him out for his weakness. I think that despite the full load Mr Obama has on his plate, he, rightly, has time to challenge the nonsense that goes on and that can escalate to dangerous levels.

Posted by: jbleenyc | October 20, 2009 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Obama and his accomplices to FOX news are like Cockroaches when the lights come on. They're pi##ed and scared and run like hell. The MOST transparent administration in history is now behind closed doors, No reportes, No opposition attempting to inflict the Public Option aka Government Crap Care of NO Choice on the rest of Americans. Obama in not only a liar he's a F###ing liar...

Posted by: ekim53 | October 20, 2009 1:22 AM | Report abuse

I'd agree that this makes the Obama White House look somewhat petty, but I don't see how it helps FauxNews any. How do "ratings go up" after you've essentially been declared a cartoon network (which they are) by the President of the United States?

What is the new ad line, "Tune into the news channel the president considers a joke"? Or is it, "Turn to FOX, the station with the least access to what's going on in Washington"?

Please explain. Of course, everything you would expect to turn off decent people turns on FauxNews viewers, so maybe I just can't do my calculations upside down like I need to. But I don't see the win for Fox. The red meat loonies are already watching. This isn't going to get any moderates to tune in.

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Posted by: B2O2 | October 20, 2009 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Fox News serves one useful purpose- the opinions of anyone saying Fox is their source for news can be dismissed, and the conversation ended as politely as possible (Always remember to be very polite- you have gotten yourself into a potentially dangerous situation. The Dark Power is strong with such folk.)

Posted by: psst_limbaugh_keep-ranting_satan | October 20, 2009 1:25 AM | Report abuse

Fox News is NOT news, it's right-wing propaganda which is doing a disservice to its viewers by allowing them to wallow in an alternate universe where up is down and black is white. Fox news and its viewers don't live in a reality based world. They built a Cult of Personality around Bush, and look what THAT did for the nation.

Posted by: osullivanc1 | October 20, 2009 1:26 AM | Report abuse

About the only halfway rational reason I can see for taking on Fox News is to placate the loony left. Perhaps the administration sees a need to get these folks, who are obviously out in force in this comment section, off their backs. What better way than to launch an offensive against Fox News. The loony left, of course, thinks this is a brilliant political strategy, when it is, in fact, a loopy idea, as many others have pointed out here. Sometimes one is lucky in who chooses to be your enemy.

Posted by: dakotadoug83 | October 20, 2009 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Obama is throwing a hissy fit because he doesn't like to watch himself telling 2 different "truths" to different groups. And he doesn't like his unvetted Radical Czars exposed either, IN THEIR OWN WORDS as Radical Marxists and Perverts.
He likes the mainstream media who continue to keep their collective lips glued to his butt.

Posted by: ekim53 | October 20, 2009 1:33 AM | Report abuse

Journalists and op-ed types jealously guard their right to spew rubbish. When the White House reacts they are weak. I did not see anyone making a fuss when the Bush White House had the RW bloggers and cable types over for a day and dished out interviews all day.

The WH uses the media, the Media uses the WH and the problem only comes up when one of them gets a kick out the door. No group has a greater sense of entitlement that our cable news gang whether they are from the right or the left, and no group has more vociferous defenders from among their own in the press. Watch Howie Kurtz waxing indignation to see how the press gang really looks out for it own. They have lost the ability to differentiate between news, opinion and entertainment.

Posted by: bitterpill8 | October 20, 2009 1:34 AM | Report abuse

A good part of the MSM was so in the tank for Obama that SNL mocked them in a Presidential debate skit...after hammering the other aspirants, especially Hillary...the mock reporters obsequiously turned to The One. "Mr. Obama, are you comfortable? Do you need us to get you a pillow?".

It continues with the idiot Wolf Blitzer on CNN, the same one who swallowed "Balloon Boy" hook line and sinker doing a "Fact Check" on SNL for a skit in early October that mocked Obama.

I voted for Obama as "less worse" than McCain. But the country could better do without his fawning media bootlickers.

The news at Fox IS actually fair and balanced. Far more than some of the CNN, NBC and CBS drones - not to mention MSNBC drones - with their heads in Obama's backside up to their ears. Katie Couric, Rick Sanchez, Wolf Blitzer, David Shuster.

The commentators? Glen Beck is a raging libertarian/conservative. O'Reilly a seasoned journalist who is a centrist. And slightly smug and smarmy. Hannity is as big an idiot partisan as Blitzer, Maddow, Ed Shultz, Shuster, and Olbermann...without their self-righteousness. And Van Sustern is a softball pitcher a la King.

All Fox really is is a bete noir of the Hard Left. And by licking their feet, Obama Administration people damage themselves with the center of America that is tuning into Fox more and more.

And yes, Marcus is right. Having an Enemy's List and being proud of it once it was uncovered such a List exists is absolutely Nixonian.

Posted by: ChrisFord1 | October 20, 2009 1:37 AM | Report abuse

I like Fox News! It's the best and easiest criterion there is for deciding who you should not waste your energy discussing anything serious.

Posted by: pchenjeri9602 | October 20, 2009 1:37 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Beck and Wilson!

YOU'VE TRUMPED ALL the media pimps, ALL of Obama's staff in VETTING OBAMA'S MARXISTS, RACIST LOONY UNELECTED CZARS AND YES, OBAMA HIMSELF.

CONGRATULATIONS, and KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. Somebody has to do the work the media FAILS to do.

Posted by: ekim53 | October 20, 2009 1:39 AM | Report abuse

I disagree that going after Fox network and attempting to set the record straight that it is not a news organization makes look White House weak. On the contrary, I would like to see the White House, as well as others, go after FOX more forcefully and lay out the case that it nothing but a propaganda machine for the right. Only in the bizzaro of Washington journalism, it makes look White House weak.

Posted by: kevin1231 | October 20, 2009 1:45 AM | Report abuse

This seems to be a controversy created entirely by Fox. As I recall, the only interviews Dick Cheney ever granted were to partisan softballers like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. I also must have missed that exclusive Keith Olbermann interview with Karl Rove.

From the public record, it does not appear that Fox's white house correspondent has been treated any differently than those of ABC or CNN. Fox journalists are routinely called on by the white house press secretary and even by President Obama in his live press conferences.

Here's a trivia question. When WAS President Bush's first live press conference? When was the very first time ANY journalist was allowed to ask President Bush ANYTHING in a live press conference setting?

The answer is August 2001, a full 8 months into his presidency. You might recall that the topic of that press conference was stem cell research. In comparison to President Bush, Presient Obama has been vastly more accessible to journalists as a whole, including to those from Fox.

Posted by: SkyBeaver | October 20, 2009 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Anita Dunn Admits she was Mao Zedong's Concubine!

http://02e56fa.netsolhost.com/blog1/index.php/2009/10/19/white-house-comm-director-anita-dunn-was

Posted by: panto1455 | October 19, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse
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apparently from the right wing filth...probably working for FOX

Posted by: kevin1231 | October 20, 2009 1:48 AM | Report abuse

This just shows the Whitehouse is amateur hour.

Posted by: FredKnowsBest | October 20, 2009 1:52 AM | Report abuse

This is a brilliant move on Obama's part. The Republican Party will soon find itself in an isolated cul-de-sac, playing a strange music only they themselves listen to or can even hear. A bunch of kooks worried about socialist plans to fluoridate water, peak gold, erectile dysfunction and gays.

Posted by: gjcomm | October 20, 2009 1:58 AM | Report abuse

This column is drivel. If Ms. Marcus believes that Fox News delivers straight news, that calls into question her news judgment, political judgment and her grasp on reality.
President Obama and his people told the truth about Fox, a blatantly partisan hack
operation. Good for the Obama people!

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | October 20, 2009 1:58 AM | Report abuse

specialolympianobama.com in a media war with fox news. We all know where this leads...

Posted by: tuzoner | October 20, 2009 2:03 AM | Report abuse

Marcus makes the mistake of assuming that Fox News is an unbiased news reporting organization, when if fact everyone with even the slightest consciousness know it is nothing more than a mouthpiece for a right-wing conservative party.

In fact, Fox itself makes it proudly obvious in its bias.

It's OK for Marcus to make comparisons with truman, Nixon, etc., but there was no modern equivalent to Fox until recently. Neither Truman not Nixon ever had to endure a massive, super-financed, national cable network that were markedly against them.

Rupert Murdoch came to America (being much reviled in his own country), was granted citizenship so he could get around media ownership regulations, and proceeded to bash democrats with unremmitting vitriol.

Under the circumstances, I think the president is showing remarkable restraint. If I were the president I'd have Murdoch up on charges of being an agent of mischief and sabotage to the American system and its delicate balance of democratic processes.

Before Murdoch's take-over and remake of Fox, we never had such a large and powerful media organization that was so terminally one-sided, and, though this might make the right-wing happy, they should realize that it is not good for the country and it is creating viscious battle-lines that are becoming hateful and insideous.

As a moderate republican, Fox 'News' and its seemingly sinister private agenda makes me worried for my country. As conservatives we never needed such an organization before in this country, and I don't believe we need it now.

A mere evening's view of their so-called 'news' reporting will convince anyone that they are most definitely NOT a part of the Fourth Estate that our founding fathers envisioned as a check on BOTH parties.

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Posted by: GooberBoy | October 20, 2009 2:10 AM | Report abuse

What the White House say about FOX is 100% accurate. What they have done since Obama was elected borders on treason. Just look at who makes the rounds daily.
Ann Coulter-extreme republican
Karl Rove-republican
Huckabee-republican
Liz Cheney-republican
Dick Cheney-a dick and a republican
and of course the right wing extremist Hannity, Beck etc.
Where are the democrats? Why no democrats with opinions on the show?
This is not a news station at all. It's a station that takes news and twists it around in a way that makes democrats and President Obama look bad. And these IDIOTS..I mean Beck in particular, who the other day claimed that we are entering a new era of Hitlerism with what the White House said about Fox. Nobody from the Obama administration said they were going to shut down Fox news. Beck makes it sound like the White House is going to shut them down. PLEASE. Fox news deserves there scorn. And thank you President Obama for making such a spot on assessment of Fox no news.

Posted by: kubrickstan | October 20, 2009 2:15 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Ruth,
What seems really weak, dumb, and small is the fact that writers such as yourself have even appeared on Fox News, or that any real news agency takes Fox seriously. I am not talking about the evening crazies either. I am talking about their normal daytime news programming. If writers such as yourself would comment on that perhaps the Whitehouse wouldn't have to be the only one.

Posted by: danieladamsmith | October 20, 2009 2:17 AM | Report abuse

And these Fox backers who claim, "Fox has the highest rating of all news agencies. BFD!! There audience is at MOST 3 to 4 million viewers. Four million viewers out of 115 million Americans IS A LOT OF PEOPLE? That comes to about 2% of the USA population. Nobody but deadbeats watch tv news much anymore. Except the one's who might live were the buses don't roam perhaps.

Posted by: kubrickstan | October 20, 2009 2:22 AM | Report abuse

Let's take a poll of university professors with degrees in political science. How many of them use Fox News as a primary source for their analyses? Fair and Balanced means skewed way over to the right. They mislead. They say they don't want health-care reform because it is the first step in taking America down a slippery slope toward Socialism. Obviously, that would be, to their minds, a fate worse than death. Better dead than red. First, this attitude denies there is anything whatsoever wrong with the way health-care is paid for and delivered in USA. Second, this attitude hides a covert reason to oppose health-care reform: it might harm big, industrial insurance companies. Third, a grand success at health-care reform might make the public grateful to Democrats. That could mean bad times ahead for Republicans. You cannot argue with a schizophrenic because a schizophrenic's mind is disordered. There is no way to debate a schizophrenic because there is no train of thought. Republicans are not schizophrenic. But they have so thoroughly bought into their own philosophy (ideology) that it clouds their thinking. They bring to the "debate" what they believe are facts and which are falsehoods. When you point out their faulty reasoning, they don't apologize. They get angry. So, were I advising the White House, I'd tell them to avoid giving Fox News the show of peeve that they crave.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | October 20, 2009 2:22 AM | Report abuse

i'm THRILLED that the obama administration has called faux news. if anything, they've been to sparing in calling the hate-channel what it really is: pure propaganda for dim.wi.ts who need to be spoon-fed lies that even ballon-boy could see through. there's nothing lost by spreading the word on high that faux is garb.age. the beck-monkies who swear their allegiance to that cl.own are going to listen to him anyway, but perhaps others might begin to get the word that faux is nothing but fascist b.s. aimed at half.wits.

Posted by: memorybabe1 | October 20, 2009 2:28 AM | Report abuse

Where the White House really crossed the line, and may have violated the constitution, was when Axelrod (or Emanuel) actively lobbied other news organizations to stop treating Fox as news. Government interference in free speech is a no-no. Prior restraint of trade and violation of the rules of free association also come to mind. Any constitutional scholars out there that can name the correct section? Both of these gentlemen are high level Executive Branch appointees, and subject to constitutional limits. I think they seriously crossed the line here.

If you libs think it's ok for a sitting president to attack a broadcaster, how will you react when it's a republican doing the same to the Huffington Post or MSNBC?

You don't have to be a Republican to recognize Obama's team is running at the legal dge, or over it with their war aginst Fox. What next, IRS audits for all their commentators and management?

Posted by: hdc77494 | October 20, 2009 2:30 AM | Report abuse

While I sympathize with the President for not wanting to deal with Faux News, he should go on the offensive like FDR who said, "I always enjoy debating my malefactors."

Posted by: eaglepeak | October 20, 2009 2:33 AM | Report abuse

So it appears that what democrats did for 8 years in being critical of everything Bush did is now forbidden when one of their own is in the White House. Again hypocrisy is the order of the day. Some say -Fox is terrible, MSNBC is great. They all lie, we tell the truth. They are stupid, we are smart. Seems no one is worried about freedom of speech when Emmanuel goes on CNN and gives a warning to the other media in a veiled threat that they better not follow the lead of Fox. Does that mean if they say something less than flattering, no one from the WH will then go on CNN? I guess MSNBC doesn't have to worry, with the likes of those still getting thrills and chills over Obama.
This vendetta against Fox is demeaning to the Presidency and seems to go directly counter to what Obama said in that he would be the President for all Americans - guess he just forgot to mention "if you agree with me".

Posted by: justmyvoice | October 20, 2009 2:38 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, Ruth. I'm with the White House on this one.

Serious journalism - the fourth pillar of government - is just too important to ignore as it becomes an increasingly endangered species in this country.

We already have enough problems with news staff being downsized to boost profits, and mainstream news coverage getting sloppier and lazier. "Filling the news hole" instead of correct investigative journalism.

Fox News is the poster child for something that goes even beyond this. I don't care whether Rupert Murdoch's motivations are financial, political, or both. It is something ugly, and it is something that I don't like.

The point here is that this isn't just about Fox News. It is about sending the message to *other* news channels not to follow this ugly road.

Posted by: PaulG2 | October 20, 2009 2:43 AM | Report abuse

And George Bush and Dick Cheney went after NYT - So don't go crying that hypocrisy bullcrap!!!

GO GET'EM OBAMA!!!

Posted by: danson1 | October 20, 2009 2:48 AM | Report abuse

Its hard to see the coverage Fox is giving Obama as being any worse than MSNBC gave Bush. In alot of ways it is more honest because O'Reilly, Beck and Hannity make it crystal clear that their shows are opinion shows. MSNBC's Keith Olberman seems to have deluded himself into thinking that he runs some kind of news program, but if you watch the show he clearly is every bit as much in the tank for Obama as Beck is against him.

In the end its a free country and people should say what they like liberal or conservative. Although I do think its odd that the White House is feeling so much pressure from Fox they need to whine and complain about it. To my mind it is childish and comical.

Posted by: DCDave11 | October 20, 2009 3:01 AM | Report abuse

I respect Ruth Marcus, but think she’s off the mark on this one. If the press won't call a spade a spade, then some entity has to do it.

Posted by: patr2 | October 20, 2009 3:06 AM | Report abuse

I disagree with Marcus, if it were the case that the Administration would not appear on Fox News, it would be one thing. But, as one Huffington Post blogger put it, it is more like labeling Fox News, as someone with a particular perspective, like The National Review or The Drudge Report. Telling the truth about Fox News, hardly seems Nixonian to me, and Marcus picking up this argument from Rove, seems humorous. Along, with the stupidity of two-sides to an issue when, sometimes there is just the truth. This attempt to turn the tables on the White House by Rove, is a trick that has grown stale. Also, that folks who sometimes air paranoid pieces, parading as news, worthy of Nixon, and blaming folks who are the target, does not give me much sympathy for Fox News. Which, of course, they will milk it for all the ratings it can get.

This may not the be smartest move by the White House, but it did cut through the chatter. Also, given journalist trends, what if someone had the entrepreneurial smarts to start a Drudge News Network, should the White House then treat it like mainstream journalists, because of its name. Sometimes the truth, and naming a thing for what it is, is sufficient reason to do something. I would have preferred that it hadn't come to this, but in this case Fox News largely brought it on themselves.

Posted by: Jeff-for-progress | October 20, 2009 3:06 AM | Report abuse

Gee, I thought only totalitarian regimes did not tolerate dissent.

Posted by: grooves12 | October 20, 2009 3:07 AM | Report abuse

Please Mr. President: Pay attention to what those who elected you to do. We want you to speak about wanting the public option. We don't need you to argue with Fox. We want you to start talking about how bad the insurance companies are. It is way past time to speak out.

Posted by: MiriyamGevirtz | October 20, 2009 3:21 AM | Report abuse

Fox news is sewage.

Posted by: blakesouthwood | October 20, 2009 3:27 AM | Report abuse

Any news station that called me a racist, a socialist, a Nazi, a Muslim terrorist would never get my support. Just listen to the hate machine at work daily on Fox. This is there pattern of deception folks...they say something like, "Is President Obama a closet homosexual," then maybe they'll show a Picture of a well know gay person standing next to Obama and talk about WHAT THAT PICTURE MEANS! One hour of discussing what THAT PICTURE MEANS! In the end, they won't conclude that he is or isn't a closet homosexual, they'll just spend an hour talking about it. You know, to feed there racist, all white sub-human crowd into a frenzy. This is Fox, this is there brand of NEWS.

Posted by: kubrickstan | October 20, 2009 3:31 AM | Report abuse

How does telling the telling the truth hurt the White House? I don't understand how looks "Nixonian" - Nixon, the ultimate liar. Right.

Posted by: aint2sure | October 20, 2009 3:33 AM | Report abuse

The Republican party represents Obama's domestic opposition. Thus, he opposes them.

Fox is simply the broadcast wing of the Republican party.

Everyone knows this. Except Ruthie.

Posted by: HeavyJ | October 20, 2009 3:46 AM | Report abuse

The premise of your article implies that Fox News Channel is a legitimate news gathering organization. In fact, it is a propaganda organ of the Republican party and always has been. For you to pretend otherwise shows that you cower in fear of criticism from the right wingers in this country.

All you have to do to spend a few minutes watching this so called news network and you will find that these people live in an alternate universe--as compared to the other 95% of the world's media.

A channel that has to continually proclaim itself as "fair and balanced"---ain't.

And you should know better.

Posted by: mlipsius | October 20, 2009 3:55 AM | Report abuse

Who cares.

If Obama doesn't think that FOX News is a news organization but one that is biased than who cares.
They can do what they want.

Just IGNORE Fox News.

Posted by: maritza1 | October 20, 2009 4:20 AM | Report abuse

They teach in the schools in other countries that the U.S. was ruined by a deliberate coup where the dirtiest right wing tricksters took over the AM radio dial, and phonied up a cable news channel, in order to dupe a hundred million redneck baboons - the stupidest people on the planet. My AUstralian surf bud arrived wanting to see some of our rednecks he had been taught about in high school! Yet, the leadership of our country, which is undergoing the same virtual assassination by this juggernaut, on the verge of literal assassination from their terrorist thugs, is not supposed to expose to the dupes of these tricksters how they are being played? You are complicit in the wreckage of this country with such nonsense!

Posted by: Walkdmx | October 20, 2009 4:39 AM | Report abuse

“It makes the White House look small, dragged down to the level of Glenn Beck.”

Obama would have to climb several rungs on the evolutionary ladder to reach Glenn Beck. Socialists are only a couple of notches above communists and Marxists.

Posted by: fenoy | October 20, 2009 4:45 AM | Report abuse

Oh, hooey. Fox News is nothing more than the GOP attack machine. As long as Obama let's them get away with the outrageous lies they perpetrate without calling him, he does look weak. Frankly, the only thing he's done since his inauguration that's won my respect at all is calling Fox news what it really is--a GOP propoganda organ.

Posted by: nicekid | October 20, 2009 5:03 AM | Report abuse

The truth about FOX will be revealed like the Insurance companies misinformation campaign about the Public Option..

Going to take time for the public to know they are being whipped and lied and held hostage to facts by Fox.

In the same context..The Public is now just coming around to understand they are being held hostage by the Insurance Companies.

Fei Hu


Posted by: Fei_Hu | October 20, 2009 5:03 AM | Report abuse

I see nothing wrong with the White House frankly saying they have had enough of Fox's lies and they are no longer going to pretend they are a news organisation.
It is simply stating a truth and it is to their credit that they are prepared to do so, regardless of how that may or may not appear to advantage one or the other side. If you are for the truth, you are already on the correct side of the argument.

Posted by: JimMaclean | October 20, 2009 5:03 AM | Report abuse

“It makes the White House look small, dragged down to the level of Glenn Beck.”

Obama would have to climb several rungs on the evolutionary ladder to reach Glenn Beck. Socialists are only a couple of notches above communists and Marxists.


Posted by: fenoy | October 20, 2009 4:45 AM | Report abuse
=====================================
WOW already using the words FOX told you to say..

Too bad you do not know what they mean..

Fei Hu

Posted by: Fei_Hu | October 20, 2009 5:05 AM | Report abuse

So she wants the Obama Administration to pursue the same strategy that Kerry adopted against the swiftboat liars - ignore them and they will go away. It didn't work so well, did it?

Posted by: twm1 | October 20, 2009 5:05 AM | Report abuse

What a bunch of whiners... the same group of people at Fox who had a monopoly on coverage of the W administration!
After what Steve Doocey and Glen Beck and everyone else at Fox has done to anyone that's not a GOP lapdog!..! Gimme break.
The small thing would be to let Fox keep getting away with their awful spin unchallenged.
Nixon's list wasn't wasn't about one particular giagantonormous and singular and contained organization as the modern republican/conservative/religious right GOP, complete with a singular wholly owned communications arm, Fox (sup, Rupert!).
If Obama let the Fox lies go, he would be an idiot.


Posted by: jeffc6578 | October 20, 2009 5:07 AM | Report abuse

The 24/7 news channels are like a tumor on American public life. Whether left or right, they make news out of nothing most of the time. Talk, talk, talk. And then more talk about the talk. It's crap information overload. It's a shame a retro fad can't be started where people just watch the news from 6:00-7:00pm and read the morning (e-)paper. When will that make a comeback?

Posted by: Matthew_DC | October 20, 2009 5:10 AM | Report abuse

Bush as I recall actually bombed an al Jazeira installation. Hopefully Obama won't take matters quite so far with FOX.

I don't think I quite understand what FOX is complaining about. I thought they made their own reality. What would they want with unreliable "free range" OG reality?

Posted by: fzdybel | October 20, 2009 5:20 AM | Report abuse

Even the headline of this story -- the "vs" in the title, plays right into the fux news version of this. The WH has been forceful in calling lies put out through the propaganda arm of the opposition party for what they are. This is not a "war" it is not a "battle" it is telling the truth. For fux it only makes their bone fides with their semi-literate base if they can turn into another story of conservative vicitmization.

fux news is a propaganda organization. only conservatives are dumb enough to fall for the argmuent that fux uses -- "we are conservative (therefore biased) so you can trust us because we are unbiased."

And if you listen to the rightards howling and playing the victim card they say things like "President Obama wants to silence the opposition." Of course the President isn't trying to "silence" anyone, but by saying "silence the opposition" they are agreeing with the Presdient's poit - fux news is not news but rather a representative of the opposition.

Posted by: John1263 | October 20, 2009 5:46 AM | Report abuse

I completely agree with this opinion piece. The Obama administration needs to know that every time you fight an opponent you said a few things about that opponent...that you find them to be worthy of your time, that you acknowledge they are in the same level as you and that force should be used to stop them.
In this case the White House has no powers to stop Fox. It is growing stronger day by day and everyone watches it because CNN and other channels are so boring one just can't cope!!!
The White House.... if it could claim any professionalism standard should swamp Fox with their people explaining their points of view....unfortunately this White House cannot make any such claims.

Posted by: huntyrella | October 20, 2009 5:47 AM | Report abuse

acorn and van jones were not in legitimate news until there was months of relentless nonsesne on fux because THEY WERE NOT REALLY WORTH THE INK. Only you dopes at fux think this petty stuff is front page headline news. The preisdent winning the Nobel is a non-story to you, but some idjit posing as a hooker to try to punk people like a sleazy versionof candid camera who are working to feed poor kids is somehow of earth shattering importance.

Posted by: John1263 | October 20, 2009 5:49 AM | Report abuse

The President is correct to stand up to Rupert Murdoch's Fox "News" media bullies. No one should ever back down from a bully and the best way to deal with these Rupert Murdoch sock puppets is to get inside their shirts with them.

Day in and day out, the Fox "News" bullies make up lies, attack the President of the United States with innuendo and pretend to be a news organization when in fact they are no more than shills for the republican party and Roger Ailes.

Glen Beck, Shemp Hannity, Steve Ducey, Brian Kilmead, Bill O'Reilly, Preacher Huckabee, Charles Krauthammer, Juan Williams, Fred Barnes, Brit Hume and a host of women with their skirts pulled up and a draft blowing in their skulls all seem obsessed with trashing the President of the United States around the clock.

The White House should aggressively counter these liars and hacks who are on the payroll of the Austrailian right-wing nut Rupert Murdoch, who truly believes that his money and his American flunkies can bring the President of the United States to heel.

Posted by: DCSage | October 20, 2009 5:53 AM | Report abuse

Thank God for FOX News. The mainstream media has abdicated responsible, balanced journalism in favor of swooning, drooling fawning over the Rock-star President. Without FOX, we would only hear and see what State Propaganda want to disseminate. We have a community-organizer-in-chief whose personal agenda is to bring the U.S. down from super-power status, and he's hell-bent on it. Obama can't stand patriotism (apologies, anyone?), he has virtually no work experience -- certainly nothing to qualify him for the Presidency, and The Ego can't tolerate anything less than worship.

Posted by: wmpowellfan | October 20, 2009 5:54 AM | Report abuse

Presdient bush constantly fought with the legitimate media - they moved reporters out of their usual seatsin the press room, they had a special program of going directly to the little podunk local newpapers, the even planted a gay prostitute posing as a journalist in the press corps and paid journailsts with taxpayer funds to carry the administration message on multiple occassions.

And the legitimate medai trashed bush, after giving him a pass for five years, because he was fing up nearly everything in the entire country. How does one write a positive story about the president lying to start a war? Lying to congress about illegal wiretapping? Ordering the EPA to stop prosecuting polluters? On and On -- just what exactly would you write good about bush? that he had a nice haircut?

The criticism of Obama thus far are fiction cut from whole cloth. No substance. Just like the phony "scandals" in the Clinton years. Remember fux news reporting that Clinton"might have' been involved in murdering his close friend? Or that he "might have" been involved in a cocain smuggling ring while governor of Ark? What drivel. Only a rightard could accept the fux cllaim "we are biased, so therefore we are unbiased."

Posted by: John1263 | October 20, 2009 5:58 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Fox News for giving us much to think about. MSNBC, on the other hand, which wants us to chant chant chant sing sing sing and say sugary sweet things about Obama 24/7. The news on MSNBC is not news..its the sick slanted viewpoint of Chrissy Tingles Matthews, that lunatic Keith Olbermann - on the verge of a stroke if you dont agre with Obama on EVERYTHING and of course our lesbian friend Rachel Maddow who would never say anything nice about any conservative. These 3 stooges are whats WRONG with our news today - not Fox News. Fox has been more conservative but their commentators dont sound like the Stepford wives like those at MSNBC... We just love Obama, hes the greatest ..its our job to make him successful, we love Michelle too and her garden and the kids and the dog and the mother in law and we are even willing to violate the Constitution and OVERLOOK Baracks Kenyan birth for Barry is the ONE and we must worship him daily in Stepford land. Love, the gang at MSNBC !!

Posted by: JUNGLEJIM123 | October 20, 2009 6:29 AM | Report abuse

Obama fights Fox news because he is always in campaign mode and he needs an opponent. Obama needs to discover that he is not some slimy Chicago back street politician. Wait what if Obama really is a slimy back street politician and not transformative as he told us he was? One way to tell is if he is fighting with smaller foes. Whoops, I guess he is a slimy politician.

Posted by: edgar_sousa | October 20, 2009 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Communications Director Anita Dunn admits the Obama campaign focused on "making" the news media cover certain issues while rarely feeding any information to the press unless it was "controlled."

"Very rarely did we communicate through the press anything that we didn't absolutely control," said Dunn.

Posted by: hunter340 | October 20, 2009 6:32 AM | Report abuse

Fox News should have been taken on much sooner by the White House. For it fails completely to do anything that looks like objective, careful analysis. It simply fires away, in angry diatribes, at intelligent, well thought out arguments.

Murdoch and his gang obviously had serious educational issues when they, supposedly, were being formally educated. They rejected the scientific method and the principles of critical self-analysis, in favor of an anti-rational--anti-democratic really--position that now contaminates virtually ever aspect of their political and social reporting. Without serious challenge, the public opinion that they represent an acceptable point of view is perpetuated. End that nonsense now! Show the world how weak Fox News really are! Go, Obama.

Posted by: andrewpatejr | October 20, 2009 6:40 AM | Report abuse

Ruth, you say that Obama should tell the rest of the team. But he's doing just that - - how else to explain why the very fair Chris Wallace was snubbed on the Sunday blitz when Obama visited five other programs?

But it appears that this attacking the messenger is pure Chicago-thuggery politics.

And by the way, Glenn Beck has a dedicated phone line from Anita Dunn's office. Anytime he gets any of his facts wrong, she will have real-time opportunity to correct him. Thus far, the phone has been silent.

Posted by: segeny | October 20, 2009 6:46 AM | Report abuse

Give me a break. All the WH did was state the obvious. Fox "News" is opinion journalism, period. They are in political campaign mode 24/7. They're pushing an agenda and promoting an ideology. And what's worse is that they are blatantly dishonest, which is bad for the country. Since the MSM seems to cower to Fox, seems to me it's about time someone started calling them out. I've been questioning for a long time why anyone treats them like a legitimate news source. Seriously, when one feels the need to fact check everything reported on Fox, they forfeit the right to call themselves legitimate news. They are a PROPAGANDA network. Why are people in the media so afraid to state the obvious? When Fox ceases to be a rational player and doesn't deal in facts, what choice does the WH have? Why would anyone in the mainstream media defend the Fox News clowns?

Posted by: ggwalt | October 20, 2009 6:46 AM | Report abuse

Ruth, you say that Obama should tell the rest of the team. But he's doing just that - - how else to explain why the very fair Chris Wallace was snubbed on the Sunday blitz when Obama visited five other programs?

But it appears that this attacking the messenger is pure Chicago-thuggery politics.

And by the way, Glenn Beck has a dedicated phone line from Anita Dunn's office. Anytime he gets any of his facts wrong, she will have real-time opportunity to correct him. Thus far, the phone has been silent.

Posted by: segeny | October 20, 2009 6:47 AM | Report abuse

Obama is walking a fine line here. If he doesn't begin to rein in his leftist agenda-driven team, it's going to backfire on him. Fox can be considered no less a news media than can the other networks, all of whom have "viewpoints". As someone who watches all the networks and none of them all the time, I haven't seen any evidence that Fox is more unbalanced in their coverage, and is indeed less unbalanced in some cases, than the others. There are people on all the networks, Fox included, that I can't stand and don't watch, but that said, for the administration to get in this spitting match with Fox just because the network doesn't drool all over it as do MSNBC, CNN and others is foolish and shows the level of immaturity, shallowness, intolerance and downright meanness with which this administration operates. Where are the voices of outrage from the left about freedom of speech? I guess it applies only to those who agree with them.

Posted by: Lilycat11 | October 20, 2009 6:47 AM | Report abuse

The President finally get it. Turning the other cheek until you pass out because of blood loss is weak. Fox News is the GOP and the GOP is the political arm of coprorate greed. His new aggressiveness is heartening to people who love justice. Give 'em hell Barry.

Posted by: donsadam | October 20, 2009 6:47 AM | Report abuse

A television network that consistently places a chyron under a Republican officeholder who is is trouble for a sex scandal (see Mark Foley, Larry Craig) and identifies that individual as "D"- state of representation is either incompetent in reporting facts or is biased in its perspective.

Fox knows how to pull in the money and the viewers, so I think it can be safely said it is not the former.

This is just one example of thousands in which Fox demonstrates its mission statement is to support Republican officeholders and their positions and consistently attack the Democrats.

Barack Obama's administration, rather than acting weakly as you suggest Ms. Marcus, is calling out Fox for its behavior because they are saying they are not going to be pushed around by folks who either get their facts wrong or slant the perspective consistently against Obama.

Fox is NOT a news organization. It is a sophomoric attempt at entertainment.

Posted by: marks1940 | October 20, 2009 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Thank you FOX news for both your objective news reporting and your opinion shows (Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity).

If the White House and cable news viewers are paying this much attention, FOX is obviously doing something very well.

Posted by: furtdw | October 20, 2009 6:56 AM | Report abuse

I would never underestimate the power of FOX to brainwash and manipulate people. In many radio markets across the country FOX News is the only game in town, because most radio stations are now owned by Republicans who want to put their conservative trash on the radio because they know it's profitable and people will be sucked in to this trash. Apparently, FOX has already manipulated people that Bush was doing a great job for 8 years, that Iraq had WMD's, that Iraq caused 9/11, that Iraq had links to Al Qaeda, that there is no global warming, that paying 4 bucks a gallon for gas is okay, that it's okay for mortgage companies to screw people over, that it's okay for 401Ks to be a complete scam. FOX has destroyed this country beyond repair.

Posted by: miketodd1 | October 20, 2009 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Kudos to Obama for exposing Fox News' LIES and disinformation!
Fox News pundits distort the facts - and even FIX the facts to "confirm" their own reality.
Watching Fox News makes one dumb! - and several studies have shown Fox viewers are the LEAST informed. After watching Fox for 2 years, including a LOT of police car chases, I heartily agree.

Posted by: angie12106 | October 20, 2009 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Hear, hear! Fox is the only major news organization asking the tough questions, casting light on the more odious aspects of this Administration's policies and representatives, and exposing the rank hypocrisy of the current Democratic leadership in Congress (and, by doing so, that of the rest of the MSM, which continues its shameless lovefest with all things Obama). Fox's only sin has been to break the liberal media monopoly that, even now, seeks to present a rigidly conformist worldview of news and commentary. Fox is thriving, while the rest of the biased MSM (and clueless Administration) sits there fuming about "balance". Laughable.

Posted by: pcbrig | October 20, 2009 7:16 AM | Report abuse

The Messiah will not be mocked, not on Fox News nor anywhere else.

His will must be done.

All hail Obama!

Posted by: DaveinVA | October 20, 2009 7:17 AM | Report abuse

>>>Imagine the outcry if the Bush administration had pulled a similar hissy fit with MSNBC

Marcus has a very SHORT memory!
Fox and MSNBC sold Bush's bogus war in Iraq! that diverted critical resources from Afghanistan to Iraq.
MSNBC even fired Donahue prewar for merely suggesting there were NO nukes in Iraq!

Only toward the end of the Bush Error, did MSNBC begin REVEALING THE TRUTH about Bush - THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER!

Fox "News" is solely dedicated to smearing Dems and electing Repubs - and concealing Repubs' adultery and corruption.

Posted by: angie12106 | October 20, 2009 7:18 AM | Report abuse

pcbrig wrote>>>Fox is the only major news organization asking the tough questions, casting light on the more odious aspects of this Administration's policies and representatives

EXACTLY! but Fox didn't do that during the Bush administration.

Posted by: angie12106 | October 20, 2009 7:21 AM | Report abuse

What a silly column of troll concern. Dana Perino admits that the Bush Administration did treat MSNBC like that, the McCain campaign tried to get Tom Brokaw removed from a debate because of his NBC News connection. The GOP complained and complained until Olbermann and Matthews's roles on election coverage were reduced. There was plenty of whining over MSNBC from Bush and the GOP.

And this over a network that broadcasts four hours of new liberal and three hours of new conservative programming each day.

When Fox's political commentary is 42% liberal, come back and we'll talk.

When Fox's news decisions even somewhat match the choices made at CNN, come back and we'll talk.

When MSNBC actually becomes a mouthpiece for the DNC (Olbermann and Maddow are to the left of the DNC and often take on elected Dems), come back and we'll talk.

The WH isn't concerned about Fox's ratings; its audience will never vote Dem anyway. The WH is concerned about lazy establishment journalism outlets choosing their coverage based on the propanganda Fox spews into the debate each day.

The Administration wants you to be aware that you aren't covering news when you take up Fox's cause, as the WaPo and others do daily.

Posted by: howie14 | October 20, 2009 7:23 AM | Report abuse

FOX News is not a legitimate news organization. It isn't only the so-called opinionators like O'Reilly, Hannity and Beck, even the purported real news anchors -- except for Shephard Smith -- incessantly promote a Republican agenda. It is just that relentlessness that de-legitimizes FOX and renders it untrustworthy propaganda.

Further, there is a real difference between MSNBC and FOX even as to the opinionators. Olberman and Maddow generally use reason and logic and humor to present their cases; Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity are stupid, nasty and unconcerned with truth or rationality.

The White House is right to state the truth: FOX is not a legitimate news organization by any measure of real journalism. The fact that Ms. Marcus doesn't see that is likely a result of inordinate time spent in the company of the WashPo op-ed writers -- many of whom are FOX regulars.

Posted by: wbgonne | October 20, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Madame Marcus, you err! You confuse truthful reporting with the most flagrant, hypocritical display of television journalism of prejudicial use of the english language on planet earth. There are a few reporters on Fox News who are worthy of their salt like Shepard Smith but for the most of them they are right out of the political womb of Rupert Murdoch. This I believe. Fox News started out as a great source of tv television news. It slowly turned into the right wing monster it is today. A great shame.

Posted by: allset707 | October 20, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

FOX "News" has crossed the line from presenting the conservative point of view to advocating and organizing opposition. They have crossed the line from responsible advocacy to whipping up the crazies into a frenzy. FOX has become a cult controlling the message its viewers take in by convincing those people that only FOX will give them the "truth." Why should any of us consider FOX a news organization?

Posted by: MNUSA | October 20, 2009 7:31 AM | Report abuse

I have read more than one comment on here that actually stated that the writer found Fox News fair and balanced. Are these people kidding, or are they just plain stupid? I, too, have watched Fox News on occassion. It is the most biased newscast I have ever seen and you do not need a PhD to figure that out. It is self-evident.

By the way, Fox has Hannity, Beck, and O'Reilly. If it was so balanced where are the liberal equivalents of these conservative commentators?

Posted by: nyrunner101 | October 20, 2009 7:36 AM | Report abuse

I totally disagree. There is very little downside to taking on Fox News. I have watched MSNBC and Fox News. There is a huge difference. Fox attacks Obama on EVERY issue before they even know his position. MSNBC does not give Obama a free pass. Joe Scarbourgh, Andrea Mitchell, Chris Matthews and others have disagreed with the Obama Administration any number of times. Identify one time when Fox agreed with Obama about anything! Fox's goal is to restore a neocon government not to report the news. Why do you think Cheney always used Rush Limbaugh and Fox when he wanted to get his message out? I don't believe it is necessary for Obama to be a punching bag for the neocon media without pointing out what is going on. This is not a sign of weakness but a sign of strength by standing up to the bully. Nuff said.

Posted by: cdierd1944 | October 20, 2009 7:37 AM | Report abuse

I would like to see a Fox(no)news viewer watch the PBS news hour for one week instead of Fox. I bet a million dollars they would..
A. Be bored to death watching REAL NEWS.
B. Dispute everything said.
C. Daydream about squirrel sandwiches.
D. Have a convulsion from too much news
stories devoted to NEWS and not enough
devoted to hate and smearing Obama.
E. Think they are living in a foreign land.

Posted by: kubrickstan | October 20, 2009 7:37 AM | Report abuse

I would like to see a Fox(no)news viewer watch the PBS news hour for one week instead of Fox. I bet a million dollars they would..
A. Be bored to death watching REAL NEWS.
B. Dispute everything said.
C. Daydream about squirrel sandwiches.
D. Have a convulsion from too much news
stories devoted to NEWS and not enough
devoted to hate and smearing Obama.
E. Think they are living in a foreign land.

Posted by: kubrickstan | October 20, 2009 7:38 AM | Report abuse

The only way a cult of personality works is if the leader controls the media. Obama has 95% of the media under his thumb, but he needs full compliance to become the true messiah. Ergo, the war on Fox. Personally, I think we should all be thanking Fox right now for providing a check and balance on the Obama administration. After all, most of the media have apparently abdicated that Constitutional responsibility.

BTW, this isn't some kind of "Obama is a Communist argument" -- Bush tried to control his message in much the same way.

Posted by: diehardlib | October 20, 2009 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Good grief, Ms. Marcus. The Administration isn't "at war" with Fox News, nor is it saying that members of the Administration are refusing to appear there. What the Administration is saying, however, is that Fox News is wholly partisan, much like Mother Jones and The Nation magazines are on the left, while Fox News pretends to be "fair and balanced." Fox News is simply the TV version of The National Review or American Spectator, and it shouldn't be accorded the same treatment or weight as a news source such as, say, BBC

Posted by: terminator_x | October 20, 2009 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Fox is a channel included in basic cable, it's competitors are channels you have to buy as an add on package. That's at the heart of Fox's "success".
Fox has declared war on Obama, an odd thing for a "News" network to do, so Obama immunized himself against them by pointing this out. Now everytime Fox runs a story about an administration official being a "Socialist" or a "Maoist" or a "Voodoo Priestess" Obama can roll his eyes and say "well, that's Fox, how seriously are we supposed to take them? Aren't they the network that claims I'm a Kenyan Jihadi?"
It's a smart move, Ruth. It takes away the rights favorite tool, unsubstantiated accusation ("Kerry is a VC spy!!! Clinton is a murder!!! Obama is a Maoist!!!") and turns it against them.

Posted by: dijetlo | October 20, 2009 7:41 AM | Report abuse

You're off the mark, Ruth!

It's high time that the WH combats the vicious and filthy propaganda spewed by the likes of Glenn Beck.

Posted by: Gatsby10 | October 20, 2009 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, but what Fox spews isn't heat. They spew outright lies, spawned by corporate capitalist slavers, bent on persuading the public to be as greedy and irresponsible as they, so they can continue to oppress the poor and destroy the Earth at their whimsy. You don't see this? Fox, Murdoch and the Cheneyites are the enemy, and so are you Ms. Marcus. Now do you get it?

Posted by: halifar59 | October 20, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Faux is right-wing mouthpiece masquerading as a legitimate news organization and should be exposed as such. They spew right-wing propaganda and put a spin on nearly every story. Fair and balanced is a complete joke.

Posted by: Honest_Abe | October 20, 2009 7:49 AM | Report abuse

This Administration is terrified of Fox News.

They (Fox) appear to be the only ones telling it like it is, and this administration is afraid "We the people will find out their hidden agenda".

Has anyone who searches for the (true) news wondered why NONE OF THE SO CALLED MAINSTREAM MEDIA (including this rag) have not reported the latest Anita Dunn scandal.

She has been caught on Video. President Obama's White House Director of Communications, Anita Dunn, is trying to say her graduation speech praising the late Chinese communist dictator Mao Zedong was all "tongue in cheek." Really?

She says in the clip that the communist leader, the worst mass murderer in human history, besides Stalin, is who she
"turns to most."

Where does Obama find these people? Unfortunately, prestigious universities are turning them out by the thousands.


Google this subject if you don't want to believe FOX NEWS.

Posted by: frankn1 | October 20, 2009 7:50 AM | Report abuse

My recollection is that Rove et al pulled a series of "hissy fits" about MSNBC, and even parlayed that into getting NBC to remove MSNBC talking heads from party convention coverage just last year!

Posted by: faithfulservant3 | October 20, 2009 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Uhhh...to those of us here on planet earth, it just makes the White House look sane. Treating this as newsworthy is what's really dumb.

Most American (who go elsewhere for their news) would likely align themselves with the White House's comments.


Posted by: dsk36 | October 20, 2009 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Turn off the TV. It's a waste of time, and there is nothing to be gained from watching it. Becoming brain-washed by a constant stream of misinformation and lies benefits no one except those propagating the junk. I saved $100/month by turning off the Direct TV, and then actually got them to quit calling me after a few months of harassment. I distribute the savings equally to the ACLU, GreenPeace, the Sierra Club, and Veterans for Peace. Everybody wins!

Posted by: halifar59 | October 20, 2009 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Fox noise machine, why would one appear on a network that will take what you say in 15 minutes and distort it for 24/7?

Fox has no respect for the President why should he show respect for them.

The dichotomy of Sarah Palin refusing to appear on mainstream media outlets when running for vice President got not a peep out of the right except that they wouldn't treat her fair.

Now you want Obama to engage with Fox when there is no doubt he will not be treated fair?

Posted by: ORNOT | October 20, 2009 7:57 AM | Report abuse

its not dumb,its saul alinski -chicago thug politics at its best and the whitehouse doesn't give a rats ass what anybody thinks. drive-by government. well we ain't running. 2010 looms in the distance. but the damage will have been done by worthless,ethics-challenged politicians on both sides.

Posted by: 12thgenamerican | October 20, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

http://www.newsweek.com/id/218192

A very astute analysis of why fox pretends that it is "fair and balanced." Of course, you have to be near brain dead to accept the line that fox puts forward, which is "we are conservative (biased) therefore we a re unbiased." Like saying we are chocolate, which is why we are vanilla.

Posted by: John1263 | October 20, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Too many liberals believe, like Hitler, that if a lie is big enough and repeated enough times, it will become "truth."

Obama has a serious problem, and it's not Fox News. It's with his own self-perception. He doesn't believe he's president, he doesn't realize he represents not only those who voted for him, but those who didn't, and the adoration of his boot-lickers is not enough to convince him any longer.

I don't like Obama, or any other politician of any party for that matter, but I watch Fox News. At least I'm quite sure they're not reporting only what the administration thinks I'm smart enough to see. The same cannot be said of the other networks. They're all so busy trying to become the Pravda of Amerika in order to ensure their own survival in this regime that they've given up their right to something better--the respect of the People of these United States. And if those networks, outside of Fox, are so easily bought and sold, then so are their so-called journalistic ethics.

I'd much rather watch Glenn Beck and O'Reilly than someone like Chris Matthews, a man so easily awed and intimidated that a person like Obama can give him a tingle up his leg. Fresh urine gives me a tingle, too, but that runs warm and wet down my leg to the shoe. Not a pleasant thought.

I highly resent the squatter in the White House and his troops, whose salaries are paid in part by my taxes, wasting America's time when there are much more pressing issues that need to be addressed.

The whole "war" with Fox is just a smokescreen to sideline debate on the Democrats latest tax and spend gambit called healthcare reform.

Posted by: novelator | October 20, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

It's the perfect "why worry" moment. The Fox Nation consists of 3 million people. All (or almost all) of whom voted for McCain/Palin and now are members in good standing of the Tea Party (an adjunct of the Republican Party). They are angry. Who cares. The Walls around the Fox Nation are very thich, very high. They've marginalized themselves. They want to be "left alone" and they should be....for the next 8 years.

Posted by: wmboyd | October 20, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

ornot, i don't want obama to do anything different. i want americans to do something different . in 2010. and they will. they will have the time to do it since they won't be working.

Posted by: 12thgenamerican | October 20, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

I suspect that the intended audience for the White House's comments about Fox is Fox's audience. I think they are trying to plant the seed in some of their minds that they are not watching Walter Cronkite. And I think it is a wise move because a lot of them just don't know.

Fox has seduced an audience by creating a fantasy world out of select pieces of news. Unfortunately the world they have created appeals to a segment of society.

My guess is that regular Fox news viewers are less likely to partake of multiple news sources than the general population. I wish someone would do a study on that.

Posted by: philosopher911 | October 20, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Why don't we all stop "pretending". The FACT is when it comes to TV and cable there is only (1) one right-of-center news outlet FOX. ALL..........ALL of the rest are "left-of-center" in this right-of-center country......hummmm something isn't right?

Obama was installed/elected by a very corrupt MSM wolfpack press and the alpha members are:

WASHINGTON POST
NEWSWEEK
TIME
ASSOCIATED PRESS
NPR
PBS
CNN
MSNBC
ABC
NBC
CBS
NTYIMES
LATIMES

.........there's the wolfpack and they act like a "pack" when they decide to attack conservatives, moderates, independents, and Republicans, or anyone Democrat that gets in their way, like Hillary Clinton.

This "pack" has one enemy.......that little FOX who wouldn't join with the wolves...........so they howl over the little FOX......I say let them howl......!

Posted by: allenridge | October 20, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

The liberals posting here are the ones living in fantasyland. The "group think" is on the left. Those who are not leftist have indendence of thought and are not a hard core group of lemmings beaten into submission by the White House. The weakness of this White House is evident to all.

Posted by: kalamere | October 20, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

I recall doing a job at CNN off of North Capitol Street a few years ago rewiring some of their equipment next to the editing rooms. They had a bunch of twenty-somethings huddled over the computer reviewing EVERY single word in the various stories to make their political point slanted their way. I thought of my Govt. professor when he said that everybody has an agenda to push. When President Obama picks on one of the only conservative news organizations on TV, he IS being childish. What is going to happen when he comes across some real world problem?

Posted by: dolf | October 20, 2009 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Want a perfect example of liberal condescension? Here's philosopher911 echoing the Administration's politically correct line by saying, in so many words, that Americans are too stupid to realize what, and who, they're watching: "I suspect that the intended audience for the White House's comments about Fox is Fox's audience. I think they are trying to plant the seed in some of their minds that they are not watching Walter Cronkite. And I think it is a wise move because a lot of them just don't know."

Yeah, we who watch Fox over other news networks so blatantly in the tank for Obama don't know we're not watching Walter Cronkite. Mmm, mmm, mmm...come on, sing it with me...Gee, did I see that video on the other news networks or was it only on Fox?

Posted by: novelator | October 20, 2009 8:17 AM | Report abuse

If the actual president said it, I could agree with you, but an underling who most of the US hasn't heard of is different.

Posted by: wwc4g | October 20, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

With the notable exception of Major Garrett, Fox News is to News what professional wrestling is to sports.

Posted by: Gallenod | October 20, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

i am suprised by obama not using the same tactics on FOX that he is using on the thug despots of the world. if he is going out of his way to denigrate USA, and offer open hand to the likes of chavez, et al, as a tactic to win them over, why not do the same with a more important constituency; the news outlet that attracts his critics inside USA? or is all the paranoia about his agenda true?

Posted by: fernrock57 | October 20, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

I disagree. Fox is a wing of the Republican Party. President Obama is speaking the truth.

Posted by: LeftCoastNative | October 20, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

A "libelle" is a political pamphlet or book which slanders a public figure. Libelles held particular significance in France under the Ancien Régime, especially during the eighteenth century, when the pamphlets’ attacks on the monarchy became both more numerous and venomous. Although originally the term was used to describe pamphlets in general, it became primarily applicable to the genre of brief and defamatory attacks on pre-revolutionary French public figures. Libelles were published in support of both the Catholic and the Protestant points of view (pro and anti-monarchy).

The way in which the libelles attacked public figures evolved over the years, in eighteenth-century libelles, the sex lives of the public figures who were attacked were contextualized as contemporary history. Also, the way that libelles conceptualized their victims had changed. Even when earlier libelles attacked Louis XIV, a sense of respect and even deference was implied in the writings. By the 1770s, the way that the libelles conceptualized Louis XV was much less respectful, and implied that the monarch was a mere womanizer, with no interest in state affairs.Queen Marie Antoinette fared even worse, as the number of pornographic libelles that involved her proliferated into the revolutionary era. Finally, later libelles seemed to criticize monarchy as a system, whereas early libelles only attacked individual figures. It was implied in the earlier pamphlets that individual figures, such as Chief Minister Mazarin, were responsible for the State’s problems. With the libelles of the later years, however, the attack was focused against the entire governmental system, and monarchy as a whole. (Wikipedia excerpt)
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Apparently "libelles" are making a come-back in electronic form (aka cable "News"). Thank goodness for Jon Stewart, on the COMEDY CHANNEL no less, who researches the facts, and puts them out for all to see. If he calls Fox News out for being biased talking heads (Death Panels, anyone), he will support his allergation with their on-air statements. Sometimes,I wish the laws of slander would be enforced, purely in the interests of getting accurate political information.

Posted by: shadowmagician | October 20, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Marcus writes: "to the extent it refuses to provide administration officials to appear on the cable network, of access to an audience that is, in fact, broader than hard-core Obama haters."
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Um, no, it isn't. What statistics do you have to back this claim?

Because as far as I've seen, reasonable people do not watch Fox religiously, but if you find someone who says to you, "I watch Fox all the time," chances are you're talking to someone who hates Obama with a fury, and why cater to them?

Just read the comments here that back Fox: not only is Obama illegitimate, he hates white people (according to Beck), he is a Marxist and socialist, and racist, and all the "media" are in the bag for him _except_ Fox.

I don't understand why drivel like this is even published - this just sounds like more whining from the Right.

And look, Obama had it right: they didn't run his speech to Congress - they showed some stupid reality show. If, then, the following weekend he says, hey, why bother, they're not going to run it anyway, who cares!?

Good, I say! Throw it back in their faces! Real news organizations run the news; clearly, Fox doesn't consider itself one or they'd cover the President more and not their yelling, crying, snot-running "news" personalities beating their breast about how Obama's going to hand the keys of the White House to (take your pick): Nazis, Marxists, Khmer Rouge-ists, etc.

Posted by: nagatuki | October 20, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

The difference between Fox and MSNBC is that MSNBC reports on facts not inuendo.

Posted by: flysher | October 20, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Obama is merely stating the obvious. Fox News is a fictional program with the sole purpose of supporting the republican/large corp agenda. It is ridiculous to go on their programs and pretend it's actual news. The White House is rightfully announcing it no longer will play along with the Fox fantasy world. The disasters left behind by the republicans are far more impotant than playing silly games with the ignorant circus at Fox.

Posted by: MikeMcNally | October 20, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

The fact that Fox's calls its BULL news should be against the law. If I were president, I'd put the whole gang in front of a firing squad.

Posted by: msmart2u | October 20, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

John Krats writes: "Instead of dealing with Afghanistan, the cowards running the White House have adhered to a carefully orchestrated plan to ignore it.

They ought to be thrown out of office, prosecuted for treason and hanged in the park across the street after they are convicted."
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You're talking about Bush, right?

I assume so; they're the ones that started the war, then ran to Iraq, severely underfunded troops in armor and soldiers in Afghanistan, and didn't capture bin Laden like they said they would, and left office without finishing the job.

So the only incorrect part of your comment is about dragging them out of the WH - they've already left, but I'm sure we know where to find Bush, clearing shrubs at his ranch, and Cheney, lurking in the heart of VA...

Posted by: nagatuki | October 20, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

I love how all of the Fox supporters and MSNBC supporters are all rushing to the defense of their preferred network and using the exact same line: "But my channel tells the truth!"

What a joke. Folks who believe in either Fox or MSNBC are the same kind of gullible fool.

Posted by: bobmoses | October 20, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

the reason they look weak and petty is because they are. in all aspects, this president and his cronies are completely in over their heads...

Posted by: Hoops44 | October 20, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Fox is garbage programming. I've already told COMCAST I don't want to pay for it anymore and want it removed from my service.

Posted by: brt30 | October 20, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Fox Noise and MSNBC are light years apart. Fox lies; MSNBC tells the truth. Real Americans prefer the truth over nonsensical lies.

Posted by: MikeMcNally | October 20, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

I don't see the correlation between the Nixon administration's enemies list and the Obama administration's pushback against Fox. Did the national media criticize Nixon's policies or were they putting on a CONSTANT barrage(daytime "news" shows included) of "muslim!socialist!terrorist's friend!non-citizen!"? Fox news slings every bit of anti-Obama mud at the wall that comes along and that is "fair and balanced" criticism? No, it is right-wing propaganda courtesy of Roger Ailes, intended to make Democrats look bad and bolster the Republican party, not reporting of news.

Posted by: SamBrown2 | October 20, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

"And look, Obama had it right: they didn't run his speech to Congress - they showed some stupid reality show. If, then, the following weekend he says, hey, why bother, they're not going to run it anyway, who cares!?"

Right. Who cares? Why, it must be that little bully across the schoolyard, Obama, who was a bit miffed because the entertainment arm of the Fox channel didn't run his latest attempt at propaganda, although the news arm of that same channel did. I can imagine poor wittle Obama stamping his foot, crossing his arms, and telling his fellows, "We're not playing with them anymore."

Yeah, real presidential there, huh? If my ten-year-old acted like that I'd paddle her butt. Well, the voters of America are going to paddle Obama's butt, in 2012, and the Democrats in 2010.

If he can't stand the heat, Obama should vacate the Presidential kitchen, before someone hands him a mop and expects him to work for his money--like the rest of us who still have jobs, no thanks to him and his policies.

Posted by: novelator | October 20, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Better that a president and his staff call out the media in general - ala Spiro Agnew's "nattering nabobs of negativism" barb. To single out one company is in the immortal words of B.O. regarding the Cambridge police, "just plain stupid!"

Demagogues look for and then viscously attack scape goats. Demagogues use these attacks to divert attention from their own weaknesses and failures.

Obama is acting like a demagogue. Why should so highly popular a person need to act like a demagogue? Could FOX be scoring too many points in revealing that in many instances the emperor has no clothes?

Posted by: abash40 | October 20, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Marcus, why do you hate Obama? Is it because you do not like his pressuring Netanyahu?

Posted by: qualquan | October 20, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

The evolution of the press in our Nation has been a journey to nowhere. The media and the press gives soft news and nonfundamental stories more time and space than National core issues that affects the daily lives of our people. The media has merged with the entertaining and movies industries. You see Larry King and many national journalists in fiction movies creating an imagery between reality and fiction that will be hard to distinguish by the common American. Forgotten are the Edward R Morrow and Walter Cronkite journalists who understood that reporting the facts and not editorializing was the fundamental responsability of the journalist.

Franklin D. López
San Juan, PR

Posted by: franklinlopez46 | October 20, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

"The fact that MSNBC has three solid hours of opinion programming with conservative Republican Joe Scarborough every day seems to be just ignored."

Bah. Scarborugh is just one of the voices on his show and uber-liberal Mika Brezinsky is on more than he is. Let's also not forget that Mike Barnicle, Tina Brown and Harold Ford are among the most regular guests.

Trying to claim that this is "3 hours of conservative" talk is a joke.

Posted by: bobmoses | October 20, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

What's next? Will the White House insist that no Republicans be allowed at the State of the Union speech? After all they may be hostile to him.

Posted by: FLvet | October 20, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

"Further, there is a real difference between MSNBC and FOX even as to the opinionators. Olberman and Maddow generally use reason and logic and humor to present their cases; Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity are stupid, nasty and unconcerned with truth or rationality."

LOL. Keep on bleating: "my side good, their side bad".

What a joke.

Posted by: bobmoses | October 20, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

qualquan -

Let me guess, you are another liberal anti-Semite.

Posted by: bobmoses | October 20, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Fox news is not a serious news organization, anybody with any sense knows this. They like to play macho hardball politics but they turn into a bunch of cry-babies when the other guy punches back. Typical behavior of war chicken hawks. I would not give them the time of day or pay any attention to their rants until they become grown ups.
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Posted by: likovid | October 20, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm.

I seem to remember that we survived the onslaught of Dan Rather/CBS when he was the bane of the existence of a couple of Presidents.

The great thing about electronic news is the remote control. If you don't like the message you're receiving, just change the channel.

In the case of Obama, he and his fans at ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN and especially MSNBC are unifed in a comical "war" against the most financially successful media outlet in the world. If you take a deep breath and take two steps back, doesn't that seem the least bit ridiculous, comical and self-defeating?

Here's my consulting advice for Obama:

Give Fox News unlimited access to yourself and your staff. Bury them in kindness. Don't expect "favourable" treatment, and don't complain when you get skewered.

Your current public position is untenable and it only serves to prove to your opponents (and moderate voters who are already questioning your judgment) that you really can't "stand the heat."

Posted by: jsc173 | October 20, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Did Rupert Murdoch's New York Post endorse Obama?
Did Rupert Murdoch's Sun (London) claim it propelled Tony Blair to power?

We the sheep of the United Sheep of America, in order to stay distracted from the fact we have 104 trillion dollars in unfunded mandates, find ourselves consumed with gossip about the town criers and the court jesters. Meanwhile, as for the Emperor's clothes . . ..

Posted by: EliPeyton | October 20, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

People are taking automatic weapons to anti-Obama rallies. That wasn't happening in the Bush administration. I think Fox News is contributing to a really dangerous atmosphere here, and I believe the Obama people and every one else should be attacking Fox verbally every time they promote this kind of hatred.

Posted by: johnyates1 | October 20, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Anyone will half a brain knows that Fox News dishes out a form of right-wing propaganda 24/7. There’s a reason it is the only news Dick Cheney bragged that he would watch. It’s optimized for fearful white males who resent the decline of their dominance in American society. So what? It’s a free country. People can watch what they want to watch.

However a much greater concern is that in the post-911 world, we’ve learned (relearned) that fear is the single most powerful motivator. It readily sells both political candidates, talk-show hosts, and of course commercials. It’s used by left, right and ‘independent’ political wings. However the Right seems to have mastered its use. The concern is, as Franklin Roosevelt so elegantly pointed out, that excessive use/abuse of fear is a one-way ticket to the abyss.

Posted by: mich222 | October 20, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Poor little Barack, can't stand it when he's challenged rather than worshipped. Wimp.

Posted by: WashingtonDame | October 20, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Fox is not MSNBC. Every second of every broadcast day at Fox is pre-programmed with an anti-Obama spin. Even the mildest commentator parrots the party (GOP) line and the worst are screaming, weeping buffoons like Beck. There is NO moderation, ever.

CNN and MSNBC have their slanted shows and broadcasters, clearly labeled as opinion. (Though I defy anyone to compare Beck or anyone at Fox to Rachel Maddow). But both networks keep opinion out of the newsroom (with the exception of Lou Dobbs) or at least attempt to, or at least acknowledge that it is a goal. Fox never misses an opportunity to directly attack Obama. It's not subtle, or involuntary, but follows a clear Fox point of view and is obvious to everyone. John Stewart practically makes a living re-broadcasting outrageous Fox moments...and not just Beck or Hannity, but all the other pliable, ethically flexible little news bunnies they hire (Steve Doocey is a disgrace).

Ideologues scream bias whenever someone doesn't agree with them, but this a difference in kind, not degree. This is a subversion of the press. Fox has hijacked the guise of a legitimate news organization to spew Rupert and Ailes sick, ultra-conservative agenda as if it were mainstream America.

Posted by: joebanks | October 20, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

I still watch Fox News, but not as much as in the past. I still like Shep Smith, I still like Greta Van Sustern (but not as much lately), and I still watch O'Reilly. . sometimes. But nutcases like Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck are giving the whole network a bad name. Hannity outright lies and would like nothing more than to bring back the Inquisition Days to turn this country into a white, Christian nation. Beck is just insane, and his appearance on what is supposedly a legitimate news network, makes people actually BELIEVE him, which is scary!

Posted by: GenuineRisk | October 20, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Ruth, did it ever occur to you that drawing attention away from their agenda is precisely the point of this?

The administration's been losing support on major issues -- particularly among independents. It would probably serve them well to get people thinking about other things.

Posted by: ContrarianLibertarian | October 20, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Only a Huckabee could watch more than ten minutes of Fox News and not determine that it's agenda is to anger and scare the masses by stirring up religious and racial hatred. Using Obama as a common scapegoat to rally the masses is exactly what Hitler did with the Jews.

Like hookers who hate their johns, two-bit shock jocks Mormon Elder Beck and the Irish Catholic bigots O'Reilly and Hannity hide their contempt of their audience well as they get richer and richer spewing their venom without regard to the fact that some of their frenzied fanatics are being incited to violence.

When the violence comes, they will retire to their walled mansions or overseas villas and continue to point their finger at Obama.

It's one sick Rovian marketing scheme and more suckers are biting every day. Obama is right in calling it what it is and confronting his enemy and the enemy of freedom in the US instead of ignoring it.

Posted by: coloradodog | October 20, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

You want to see an example of Fox's Fair & Balanced? Look at FoxNews.com's poll for yesterday & today. Choose between (a) the WH wants to shoot the poor messenger, (b) the WH wants to shoot at the poor messenger, (c) the WH shot the poor messenger, or (d) the poor messenger is a WH victim .....an absolutely perfect example of We report, We decide.....

(a) should been "the poor messenger deserves to be shot.

Posted by: wmboyd | October 20, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Actually it's Fox who is looking dumb here. I think most reasonable people realize there's no point in having a conversation with someone who will not attempt to communicate and only wants to shout you down. They are reflexively against anything this administration tries to do to help the country, and as such are not the loyal opposition but are actually anti-American. I've always felt conservatives are filled with hate, but now I understand that hatred includes hating the U.S. and what it stands for.

Posted by: dougenglish | October 20, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Why would anyone interact with someone who calls them names; organize and support protest against them;

This is nothing more than MSM trying to make the Obama Administration look bad.

If Fox acted like a legitimate news organization maybe people would care but I would say the vast majority of Americans could care less I don't care how much WaPo trumpets this.

WE DON'T CARE!!!

Posted by: rlj1 | October 20, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Fascism always enters from stage left. If this attempt at cowing the media doesn't work, look for the Obama administration to turn up the heat. As far partisanship, it is hard to top lifetime bachelor Cooper Anderson's use of a term familar to homosexuals ("tea-bagging") to discredit the town hall movement.

Posted by: Banjo1 | October 20, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

"News" in America is a freaking joke and has been for many years now. It's all infotainment! Look at how much time "The Media" spent on some reality tv loser with cute kids and a UFO balloon. Investigative journalism has given way to outright ptopaganda and "embedded journalism." The Fourth Estate is a rotting corpse...

Posted by: braultrl | October 20, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I see Ms. Marcus is at it again. Her predictability is as reliable as an atomic clock. Give her a few days to a week, and she'll come out with something that is anti-Obama. To paraphrase Pete Seeger, "When will they ever learn?" This time, the Obama Administration's freeze- out of the communications arm of the Republican Party, otherwise known as the Fox News Channel, is characterized by Ms. Marcus as weak, childish, and petty. I don't believe it is. I see it as a strong administration, headed by an exceptionally strong president, who has decided to turn the tables on a bunch of loud-mouthed pipsqueaks with microphones, and squash them like the bugs (and thugs) they are. The Obama Administration is fed up by this continuous Republican-based tirade, and they seek to 'put a cork in it.' Freeze them out, and continue to do so! They don't deserve better treatment from this administration. Bravo!! Weak, childish, and petty?? You wish!!

Posted by: cgray7daone | October 20, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

The current hue of Fox is analogous to what would have been a sanctioned national media platform composed of The Black Panthers, Students for a Democratic Society and The Youth International Party and their ilk ranting 24/7 at Nixon while the major media and country wondered if the Mets could go all the way. It would have been a national outrage then. Why all the sanctimony now?

Posted by: dbond1 | October 20, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Obama is drowning!! Time to get rid of David Axelrod and Emanuel. They are giving nothing but bad advise!!

Posted by: CayC | October 20, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Fox News should rightly be named "The Neocon Network." MSNBC should rightly be named "The Che Guevarra Channel." A plague on both their ratings. Is there nothing left for normal people?

Posted by: RadicalGlove | October 20, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

WELL, OBAMA IS RIGHT; FOX NEWS IS NOT REAL NEWS. IT IS JUST PROPAGANDA THAT CHEWS THE REAL NEWS UNTIL IT CAN STUFF IT IN OUR EARS. BUT, OBAMA IS NOT THE ONLY PRESIDENT HAVING PROBLEM WITH FOX NEWS TRUTH TWISTING AND FALSE ANGLE LOOK; REMEMBER BILL CLINTON AND FOX NEWS SUNDAY.

Posted by: BOBSTERII | October 20, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Fox didn't get to be know as the laughing stock news agency by accident. I think they even spent two hours one day, objecting to President Obama's dog, "BO." Apparently the hard hitting, Fox folks thought it was an outrage that BO was a black dog, and wanted to know why the President didn't pick a white dog instead. I kid you not. This was actually NEWS at the fair and balanced NEWS station. What a hoot.

Posted by: kubrickstan | October 20, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Someone objects to my statement:

"Olberman and Maddow generally use reason and logic and humor to present their cases; Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity are stupid, nasty and unconcerned with truth or rationality."

Well, just because you can't see the difference doesn't mean there isn't any. And it is precisely that false equivalence that FOX counts on to portray itself as a legitimate news organization. And that is what White House is correctly dispelling. Stupidity, fiction and hate do not make for a news organization. They are the elements of propaganda, which is precisely what FOX does.

Posted by: wbgonne | October 20, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

The Fox polls are really funny. After Obama's speech to Congress on health reform the poll choices were:

a. Obama's speech changed my mind on health reform.

b. Obama's speech did not change my mind on health reform.

What in all of heck can those results possibly be worth?

Posted by: philosopher911 | October 20, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

FOX's coverage of this administration has nothing in common with the news coverage of Watergate. Marcus is too stupid to recognize this or simply didn't have any other ideas to fill her column quota.

Posted by: st50taw | October 20, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Fox has the right to say whatever it wants, but it needs to understand that to have access to the President they need to show some respect.

If all they show is contempt it's absurd to think that the White House will still grant them access.

The lies and smear campaigns have put them in the dog house. As far as I'm concerned it's where they belong. It's one thing to disagree but quite another to mislead the American people for political gain.

Fox news has no credibility whatsoever. It's tabloid journalism masquerading as the legitimate press.

Posted by: 4AbetterAmerica | October 20, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Fox News should rightly be named "The Neocon Network." MSNBC should rightly be named "The Che Guevarra Channel." A plague on both their ratings. Is there nothing left for normal people?

Posted by: RadicalGlove | October 20, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

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Actually Che was a good man trying to battle horrible Authoritarian governments in South America whihc were promoted by US corporations..for their profits...and that gave back very little to the governments or paying the people a decent wage to harvest food for US Consumption.

Che was a true believer of the Rights of People until betrayed by Castro and sent to Bolivia where he was shot dead.

Castro would have had to eventually assasinate Che if he stayed in Cuba.

Baptista was a classic modern day Republican. I can see why you like him.

ISA

Posted by: Issa1 | October 20, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Why shouldn't the White House answer honestly when asked about Fox? A large percentage of the country likely doesn't realize that Fox isn't a real news organization. No point in keeping it a secret. Does it make the White House look bigger to lie and say Fox is a real news organization?

Oh, and to those who think that Fox's "news" segments are unbiased, maybe you can explain why its so-called news anchors spent literally hundreds of hours promoting the Teabagging rallies (before, during and after) while giving literally a few minutes to other rallies and protests of equal size over the past decade. Anyone who can't see the bias after five minutes of watching that garbage must have the brain of a rotting pork chop.

Posted by: TheDukeStir1 | October 20, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

And there is a BIG DIFFERENCE between Watergate and this Fox news and the White House tiff. It's called LYING and BREAKING THE LAW!!!

Posted by: kubrickstan | October 20, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Ruth, the WH looks weak, childish, and petty, because that's what it is.

Posted by: KarimAbdulTares | October 20, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

how does that saying go"you can fool some of the people some of the time but you can`t fool all the people all of the time"this president fooled all the people the first time.i thought that carter was the worst president we had in my lifetime (65 years)but i might be wrong.

Posted by: SISSD1 | October 20, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Right now, Obama and his cronies do not control Fox. According to the Whitehouse all other news agencies are controlled. I hear all of the mile high criticism yet not one fox analyst has been called out for lying. Not one single comment made by a Fox analyst is being challenged. The controlled press spit lies and inuendos for a week directly at Rush Limbaugh. Then they all sing a coreograghed "My Bad". How do you think the American people will digest that? If you don't know, take a look at the ratings. There is a trend.

Posted by: greglaycharternet | October 20, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Hey Ruth,

President Obama's fake feud with the fake news makes me not give a FLIP about what you or anybody writes.

Hey look in the sky! It's a balloon that might have a vomitacious boy riding in it! Yeah! Go get it, girl! Go get it! Good girl.

Posted by: Meepo | October 20, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

I was so proud of President Obama for standing up to FOX noice. I watch FOX last night desperately trying to defend themselves. Its time he fought back. So the Republicans are angry. Stay angry. Who cares? What are they going to do besides what they have already done? Can they hate any more than they alread do. You know what guys....I think FOX might be confusing Anger with losing. But see, when the guy that you disagree with gets elected, he's probably going to do things FOX disagrees with. He could cut taxes on the wealthy. Remove government's oversight capability. Invade a country that you thought should not be invaded. See now FOX's Party is in the minority. It's supposed to taste like sh.t.. And by the way, if I remember correctly when a disagreement was expressed about that President's actions when the Republicans were in power I believe FOX's response was "Why do you hate America?". "Watch what you say." "Love it or leave it." "or you are unpatriotic or un American."......

Posted by: sherardg | October 20, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Who will not this Radical Administration attack with Alinsky style politics? The Chamber of Commerce, Insurance Companies, Doctors, Wall Street, Banks, Car Companies, Oil and Coal Companies, Profit in general, News organizations, Talk Radio, Anyone that disagrees with them, The Constitution. This is what you get when you have an unknown Street Agitator with a very shady past whose only known associations are Radicals, Racists, Communists and South Chicago Thugs. A White House that is in fact hiding something, defensive and whose intentions are to weaken America and install a Central Controlling State Govt. This White House and Shadow Govt of Communist Czars is fraudulent, unseemly with zero credibility.

2010 & 12 cannot come soon enough!

Posted by: FraudObama | October 20, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

“Opinion journalism masquerading as news”

Thin-skinned politicians masquerading as leaders

Posted by: AndreainNY | October 20, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

likovid wrote: "Fox news is not a serious news organization, anybody with any sense knows this. They like to play macho hardball politics but they turn into a bunch of cry-babies when the other guy punches back. Typical behavior of war chicken hawks."

Exactly. Fox is chicken hawk to the core. They love to manipulate the weak-minded with their tough talk and then sit back and profit while others do the fighting. What sickening cowardice and greed.

Posted by: TheDukeStir1 | October 20, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

One of Anita Dunn's favourite philosophers is Chairman Mao? Wow, and anyone pays attention to her? Everyone in Academe knows that people are not supposed to approve of philosophers who have slaughtered more than 20,000,000 people. That lets out philosophers like Hitler, Stalin and Lenin, but leaves in people like Karl Marx who, as far as I know, never murdered anyone. Anyway, Fox does do some good news reporting, and it also does its fair share of opinionating in its news hours, but so does The New York Times and far less often The Washington Post. CNN can also plead guilty to that, as can ABC, CBS, NBC and NPR. So what?

Posted by: sailhardy | October 20, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Marcus doesn't seem to get it about the substantive difference between Fox and the "real" news agencies: Fox engages in a policy of deliberately distorting or overemphasizing details of any story which might embarass their political enemies, while other news agencies strive to present the facts of the story in a balanced fashion and reserve commentary for shows or hosts which are understood to be commenting from a viewpoint. Also, Fox lets its commentators engage in extreme tactics like name-calling, race-baiting, encouraging viewers to harass individuals, even giving out home addresses (Reilly has done this). The deliberate misapplication of terms such as "socialism" is part of the intellectual dishonesty behind their effort. This whole package of behavior is "yellow journalism" which my high school history textbook back in the '70's optimistically talked about as a thing of the past: we were living in the golden age of objective academic journalism, which only right-wing extremists were unhappy with because they came out looking, well, extreme. We could not have imagined that the leading classes of society would have stood by and let some clueless twerp from Australia singlehandedly trash a century of our nation's intellectual development under the guise of free enterprise...

Posted by: razzl | October 20, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

The campaign here is to get all the news services, cable channels and print media in line with what the Obama adminstration wants everyone to hear. Anita Dunn, the WH Comms director, has already admitted, proudly, that they "controlled" the media during last fall presidential campaign. The sad part is that the media, save a small minority, allowded itself to be controlled.

And it continues today for the most part.

The same "opinion journalism" the WH accuses FOX of is evident on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABS, NBC. In those cases, it is pro Obama propaganda.....so it is okay.

What the WH wants is for all media to be controlled. Sound familiar? Happens today in China, Russia, North Korea, Iran.
Think hard on this!

It is a sad day that much of our media allows itself to be manipulated. Think hard on this.

How far we will we be from the Chinas, Russias of the world should the administration win its battle with FOX? Think harder on this.

Those of you who would like to see FOX controlled better think twice.

In the future, you may not be able to post your comments, as you do today!

Posted by: theartbrifl785 | October 20, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I don't find Olberman and Maddow to be logical. The one thing I notice most especially with Olberman is that he doesn't really construct arguments he tends to appeal to authority.

Here is an example, he was talking about health care and the fact that people were worried about the costs. Instead of talking about the plans and what the costs were, he quoted Obama as saying that the health bill would be deficit neutral. Well mightn't Obama be wrong, or might it be possible that Obama was stretching the truth. I mean serious journalists to not just take everything the President says at face value.

Also if you ever watched Fox, you would get a kick out of O'Reilly and Beck chatting on O'Reilly's show. O'Reilly points out all the time to Beck that if you are just negative about everything the President does then you have no credibility, and its all personal. O'Reilly goes out of his way to talk about the things he agrees with Obama about, specifically he is happy about the way he is handling Afghanistan and Iraq, and says so.

So really to my mind most of the comments here like always on the post are being made from ignorance. Watch O'Reilly and Beck and decide for yourself.

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Posted by: tropicalfolk | October 20, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

"Imagine the outcry if the Bush administration had pulled a similar hissy fit with MSNBC."

Thankfully, the Internet has a long memory and we don't have to imagine anything:

http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002270/

Perino on NBC: "The reason that we sent the letter yesterday is because we had gotten fed up with the way that the President's policies are being mischaracterized, or the situations on the ground weren't being accurately reflected in the reporting. We had complained before. And it just reached a boiling point when things had boiled over when we believed that NBC News specifically edited out — intentionally edited out — something that the President said in response to a question in an interview regarding Iran, and that it mischaracterized the whole interview because of it."

Posted by: d4t4 | October 20, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, CBS are all propaganda arms of the Obama Administration and the DNC. They have fawned, swooned and propped up this Administration during the campaign and since. Their bias is rancid. They failed in their Constitutional responsibilities. They have not served the public. Those media outlets did not vet Obama as FOX News did and continues to do. Nothing FOX News has reported has been misleading or false. Only to the Obama cult members is the truth and the facts offensive. FOX News does an outstanding job and the MSM should take some ques from it. Maybe if they too were honest in their reporting a couple more viewers could be added to their totals. Otherwise more and more will use FOX News as the standard by which news is presented.

Posted by: FraudObama | October 20, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I watch the different News programs at random in order to listen opinions of all kind. This way I can obtain better conclusions about what is going on in politics.

Fox News is not the only one giving "personal opinions" as if they were strict news, because watching NBC News I can also watch how they give their opinions of the news in accord to their personal positions about the topics.

The same is also observed in local channels broadcasting, and since long ago, there is a common practice to give personal opinions between the news, even in radio broadcasting.

I watch both sides and while Fox News broadcast irrelevant "news" as discussing the color of a pet in the White House, there is no doubt that other channels won't do more than sucking Obama's socks as a demonstration of complete submission.

Posted by: ginonicolini | October 20, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse


Fox is Bad, the others is good.
When Fox is out of the picture, they will go to the next one that is not in line with their agenda.

Obama is using a simple but effective war strategy.
Divide your enemy to weaken them.

Posted by: haroust | October 20, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

It's hilarious that the folks who seem the most outraged over the boycott are the media themselves.

This is inside baseball stuff. The rest of us could care less.

Seriously.

Move along. Nothing to see here.

Posted by: GavinM | October 20, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

The meteoric rise in popularity of FOX news just goes to show how biased the other media outlets really are. I for one am quite happy when MSNBC and FOX news duke it out over the interpretation of a story....usually the truth lies somewhere in between their two slanted views.

Posted by: wolfcastle | October 20, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Really Ruth? You don't think FOX "News" has a political agenda? Christ almighty, they sued for their right to lie and WON!

What incenses me is why Obama hasn't stripped them of their credentials to get any where near the White House. They are a joke and if you're going to defend Faux Noise, then that makes you a joke as well. The Obama administration said it perfectly, faux noise is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the GOP. They are liars.

Posted by: dcp26851 | October 20, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

CNN is just as bad as MSNBC. The other networks are not much better.

MSNBC and CNN both repeatedly called the Gates 911 caller a racist, for days.

The weekend of Gates/stupidly CNN rebroadcast 'black in America' over and over a dozen times or more advertising every two minutes when not actually showing it.

It's not enough to suggest American "news" networks are agenda driven or their programming is just entertainment. One would like to think the majority of Americans are smart enough to see what is happening...but we see differently.

It is pathetic, but I can't change it. It's embarrassing to be American sometimes.

Posted by: ram_xxx_ram | October 20, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Anita Dunn must be out to solidify the old misperception that women take things too personally to make rational decisions in a position of power. She's doing a fine job!

Posted by: jahs4fun | October 20, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Obama's war on Fox News is also a war on the First Amendment worthy of a high crime and misdemeanor.

Posted by: KerbyTex | October 20, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

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NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, CBS are all propaganda arms of the Obama Administration and the DNC. They have fawned, swooned and propped up this Administration during the campaign and since. Their bias is rancid. They failed in their Constitutional responsibilities. They have not served the public. Those media outlets did not vet Obama as FOX News did and continues to do. Nothing FOX News has reported has been misleading or false. Only to the Obama cult members is the truth and the facts offensive. FOX News does an outstanding job and the MSM should take some ques from it. Maybe if they too were honest in their reporting a couple more viewers could be added to their totals. Otherwise more and more will use FOX News as the standard by which news is presented.

Posted by: FraudObama | October 20, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse "

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Project much? GOP...all projection all the time.

You have nothing left to offer. We've seen and suffered through what your criminal party did under Bush. Never again.

Posted by: dcp26851 | October 20, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

It makes perfect sense to pick a fight with Fox. Fox is the only one still asking questions. Therefore, Fox is the only one who actually reports news.

I want this administration to answer all the hard questions being asked.

Why did they watch Van Jones so closely and hire him at their fisrt opportunity because he was an avowed Marxist? Why hire and keep an Anita Dunn when her favorite political philosopher is one of the three top mass murderers of the 20th century, a communist? Why and how does Obama intend to redistibute Joe the Plumber's wealth? Who else's wealth will be redistributed, specifically? And, specifically, who will this wealth go to? Well Obama "allow" work to be rewarded in his "completely transformed America?" And, why isn't the WP asking Obama why he is singling out Fox?

Obama isn't just complaining about Fox. No. Obama is demonizing Fox.

It is one thing, for example, to cite an organization where they got something wrong, on the facts. It it entirely different, and sinister, to demonize by stating "they're really not a News organization." And, Obama is playing the classical game of organizational psychology played by all the favorate thugs of the 20th Century: "us v them." Yes - you, ABC News, really shouldn't follow on with Fox, because Fox isn't like you and I. They are ... Well, they're not "us" if you know what I mean (wink, wink).

Obama is sinsiter. I don't like it. I've seen plenty. It's ugly, and I'm afraid for freedom of speech. It's time the WP get hold of something more important than the old game of left v right, or Democrat v Republican. The new game is freedom v subjugation - and exactly how much can Obama get away with in propagandizing the American populus.

The WP is right on one thing. It is right to see a connection between Obama and Nixon. But, I think Obama is worse than Nixon. After all, Nixon used his power for his personal purpose; Obama seems to be using power for the advancement of his idealism.

Regardless of whether I'm right or wrong, I know one thing. You, WP, disagree with Obama, and you will have some consequences from Obama. He doesn't accept any opinion other than his own, not withstanding his rhetoric about wanting an "open discussion."

Posted by: Cdgaman | October 20, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Fox is a Republican run public relations firm, it is not a news channel.

Keep in mind Fox runs segments calling health care Nazi euthanasia; it has perpetuated the death panels and "FEMA concentration camps" lies; it's stokes the kind of assassination sentiment which overworks the Secret Service.

Fox engaged in a first-of-its-kind advocacy of an partisan political event on the National Mall and then tried to bully other channels into covering its media event.

As far as the White House approach, the "Nixonian" labeled is a lazy application. If this White House was TRULY Nixonian, Fox News would not exist; and it wouldn't bother to call Fox out publicly. I read this as more of a case of simply stating what is patently obvious to anyone with a half a degree of media saavy who has watched Fox. It is a political PR firm masquerading as a news channel.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

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Obama's war on Fox News is also a war on the First Amendment worthy of a high crime and misdemeanor.

Posted by: KerbyTex | October 20, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse "

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And how is the Obama administration declaring war on the 1st amendment by pointing out that faux noise isn't a legitimate news organization?

Numbnuts.

Posted by: dcp26851 | October 20, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Truman didn't have to deal with 24x7 GOP propaganda.

After 8 years of Bush and his loyalty oaths and Cheney appearing almost exclusively on right wing outlets, how is this a problem for Obama? The only people bent out of shape about it - and you can see it clearly in these comments - are people who would never vote for him anyway. I don't see much of a downside for him. I think he is merely saying Fox has an agenda that creates a credibility issue.

Is he justified in the claims? Undoubtedly. To me the most telling statistic was the 2003 survey that showed over 80% of Fox viewers thought Saddam Hussein was involved with 9/11. At the other end of the scale was PBS/NPR where only 20% believed it. (Just for clarification, even Cheney admits there is no link.) Fair and honest. Yea, right.

Posted by: tfspa | October 20, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

The whole thing with Fox is similar to the amateur way Obama and staff dealt with the Police v Gates nonsense.

How silly and undignified for Anita Dunn to go out on the White House lawn, looking like a Halloween Hag ranting indignantly about the Rockstar's treatment by Fox.

First, I love watching Fox and have never found it boring or other than fair and balanced when it comes to the news. Beck and other opinion shows have their own audiences and are doing just fine. Anita made it appear like Obama and staff are in the White House having a hissy fit acting like petulant adolescents.

It is all preposterous and crass. I don't care how important his media friends are, Obama is President and would be wise to start acting like it.

Posted by: 2009frank

Petty adolescents love calling other people petty adolescents.

Fox is an entertainment organization pandering to those among us who are most frightened, ill-educated, and malleable.

Posted by: dfc102 | October 20, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Funny- I guess you need to define NEWS!

Do you know the county ranked # 1 in the WORLD for FREE PRESS?

Does anyone posting here know this answer?

Murdoch is a brand all its own.

Americans need to understand this.

WSJ/Murdoch: Dumb it Down Mr. President!

We must NEVER forget this!

What do you think of the Murdoch Rag - WSJ?

You know the WSJ:"Dumb it Down Mr. President!"

Is that why Murdoch is what he is?

Has he dumbed this nation down enough?

I guess not!

Mr. President: Dumb it Down!

America does not even rank in the top 25 for worldwide education!

Wonder why fox is # 1? We have the dumb down nation -

USA not even in top 25 for world ranking in education-

KISS rule- Bush Style-

Town Hall Protesters-

“I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK"

DUMB DOWN as WSJ/Murdoch requested President Obama to be?

Sorry- not all of us want the DUMB DOWN!

USA not even in top 25 for world ranking in education-

Many of us know we must pick it up a notch or two!

The World warned us not to invade Iraq-
GOP ignored the world and invaded Iraq, Renamed French Fries!

They want their COUNTRY BACK?

Australians warned us not to allow Rupert Murdoch to infiltrate our free press standards

England warned us not to allow Rupert Murdoch to infiltrate our free press standards

Sir Richard Branson said something like "if we let him, Murdoch will destroy democracy".

We ignored Australia and England- look at the dumb down we got!

WSJ- Dumb it Down President!


Posted by: sasha2008 | October 20, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Dems, good news. The dow just went over 10k and most of your constiuents are still filing bankruptcy and getting their houses repossed. Check out PG County listings in the post.

MSNBC does the exact same thing as FOX news. Except Fox news doesnt broadcast life in prison specials during prime time. Dems are losers.

Posted by: Italiaxxx | October 20, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Both liberal and conservative idealogues show their stripes in this kind of debate. You either love Fox News or you hate it depending on your politics. As one who has watched all the news outlets for some time the most interesting observation is that I give Fox News a higher that average rating for covering more angles to news topics, political and otherwise that most other organizations. Yes, Fox tends to slant to conservative points of view, but their regular news reporting also gives robust opposite viewpoints. Don't lump in their commentary programs like O'reily, Hannity and Beck as news programs.

As proof of their "fair and balanced" reporting claims, just compare their reporting of news with that of CBS, CNBC, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, the NY Times, LA Times and the Washington Post. Almost all the time you will see a tremendous liberal slant in other news outlets with very little, if any, conservative content. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones!

Posted by: jobbuster | October 20, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

If Fox News has a conservative slant then the others must be in lock step as the State-run media. Take this a step further, what they are really saying is all the others say what we tell them to say, we cant tell Fox News what to say therefore we wont talk to them.

Posted by: wjwills7 | October 20, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Baloney! Bout time someone from the White House called a spade a spade. You are expressing inside the beltway logic. Out here in the rest of America we are all wondering how many times you have to take a punch before striking back. You DC folks calculate too much. Does 41 blasting MSNBC this week.... going further than the WH in calling Olberman and Maddow sick puppies..... cheapen his reputation. I think not!

Posted by: tarryh | October 20, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Imagine if Bush had attacked MSNBC....

Well, the administration found ways of attacking anyone who disagreed with its war policy; in 2004, the president's stand-ins were claiming -- often via Fox News -- that a "vote for a Democrats was a vote for Al Quaeda." That's when I wrote Bush off; he was a party leader, not a president.

The fact is, MSNBC is very liberal but not nearly as irresponsible as Fox. I have little use for some of their shows, but I'd set Rachel Maddow against Bill O'reilly or Glenn Beck any day. She is obviously practicing advocacy journalism, but at least she practices something that can be called "Journalism."

In other words, I don't accept the comparison, and I'm sick to death of people sitting back and attempting to appear high-minded by arguing, essentially, that "both sides do it." This used to be how people defended Nixon: all presidents do it; he just got caught. Rubbish!

Fox News does employ some good journalists, but there network's mission is not excellent journalism. It engages in ceaseless race-baiting and fear-mongering. It is the worst of the worst, and I see no comparison with the home of the late Tim Russert -- or any of the other major news outlets in the country.

Posted by: jchristopherbook | October 20, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

The problem isn't just the newest "war on Fox" this is a pattern of attacking those who disagree, Joe the Plumber, the Tea Partiers and now Fox. Trying to villify and isolate their enemies or those who would shine light on them. Fox has now become dangerous because the opinion shows(and yes there are news shows on the network) are now "reporting" news and being picked up by other outlets. Acorn is a corrupt organization taking public funds, it is being investigated in 11 states(before the hooker/pimp videos). There are far left members of the adminstration, the public has a right to know who they are and what their views are, especially given the President ran for office representing himself as a middle of the road, post partisan candidate. I think Ruth Marcus is wrong, I don't think their tactics are stupid, I think they are evil. They wish to silence the one outlet that isn't cowtowing to them, who might actually investigate and report their tactics and wrongdoing. No small comparison to Nixsonian by Marcus, we may very well be in for the most corrupt adminstration since then.
PS I'm a Democrat

Posted by: dawnbushey | October 20, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

The administration's accusation has untenable predicates, as well. Do they think that all news is political news? Do they think Fox fails to report sports or business results acurately? The opposite is clearly true. Fox has a widespread network of journalists and local offices that covers world events in a thorough and professional manner. That is the main reason their ratings are high.

Who do these politicians think they are?

Posted by: gismael | October 20, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

The White House hasn't said anything that isn't true. What distracts attention from important issues is having to deal with fake controversy stirred up by FOX, having to deal with false allegations made by FOX, having to constantly work against the "politics of paranoia" wielded by FOX. Making people afraid of imaginary dangers, then claiming that these are legitimate concerns that need to be addressed by legislators and administrators, should NOT be condoned. Actually, it should be illegal.

I think it's debatable whether Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes or Bin Laden is a greater danger to this country.

Posted by: dickc2 | October 20, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

The President and his administration should NOT ignore FOX (News corp) because they foster and propagate views that deny Americans our due domestic tranquility.... What the president and his administration SHOULD do, however is pay CLOSE attention to FOX's (News Corp) waivers for overlapping media outlets in ALL of America's major markets that FOX (News corp) enjoys. The unfair advantage of FOX having those waivers and no other network having the same access is nothing less than favoritism. Those waivers should be rescinded.

Posted by: BellsBlu2 | October 20, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

"There's a big difference between "heat" and blatant lies." I hear this all the time but never hear examples. O'Reilly, Hannity, and Beck certainly launch their views, but those are largely opinion shows. Frankly, people that say "Fox News lies" obviously don't watch the programs and are just spouting the party talking points. Put forward some examples or pipe down. (Don't go away though.)

Posted by: KDG1 | October 20, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Oh, come on. You media... you know Fox news promotes pure propaganda, witness the lies about the death panels and government takeover of health care. The Bush administration refused to talk to anyone they thought would print the truth, but that wasn't a sin was it, because I guess the media has left truth behind in a ditch. What is wrong with the White House not wanting to deal with a propaganda machine. Fox News promotes lies, pure and simple. And the people that watch Fox News have a whole different untrue version of the world in their heads. Fox News gave us the war on Iraq and Bush's lies. And Marcus thinks you should just treat them like they are normal? The media these days are downright corrupt.

Posted by: goldie2 | October 20, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

There is no such thing as a political philosopher. There are philosophers and politicians. Sometimes the same person alternates between wearing the two hats but cannot wear both at the same time.

Personally my favorite philosophers are Ralph Waldo Emerson and Robert Pirsig.

The beauty of philosophy is in getting to the essence of thought and reason. Politics has no place there.

Posted by: philosopher911 | October 20, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the author's comment that Obama's administration should not have gone to extreme to criticize Fox news but definitely a respond was needed by white house press. This two way dialogue leaves the public confused. It is the safe bet that who watches Fox news daily basis, they are against Obama and majority opininion how to run the country and no
amount of facts will sway them from what they not believe but what they want our country to follow mainly complete disregard for the well being of American
middle and less fortunate population. Democratic and independents should take them on thru verious menus such as blog, face book, twittter etc. The safe bet is although it seems that Fox is popular news
Show because of these commentator, I do not think, they can do much harm to shake
the confidence of most of us who believes
in compassion, justice and citizens rights.

Posted by: conservativeliberal | October 20, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the author's comment that Obama's administration should not have gone to extreme to criticize Fox news but definitely a respond was needed by white house press. This two way dialogue leaves the public confused. It is the safe bet that who watches Fox news daily basis, they are against Obama and majority opininion how to run the country and no
amount of facts will sway them from what they not believe but what they want our country to follow mainly complete disregard for the well being of American
middle and less fortunate population. Democratic and independents should take them on thru verious menus such as blog, face book, twittter etc. The safe bet is although it seems that Fox is popular news
Show because of these commentator, I do not think, they can do much harm to shake
the confidence of most of us who believes
in compassion, justice and citizens rights.

Posted by: conservativeliberal | October 20, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Simply put, the President said that he would call out anyone who misrepresented his health-care reforms. Simply put, Fox News is the largest purveyor of propaganda and self-made news in this country. Let's call them out!

Posted by: EarlC | October 20, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

i can only compare fox news to the national enquirer - 'sensational opinions' - is the category constituting most of their air time.

problem is - they lace their opinions with distortions or outright lies - like the fat guy on the radio. though most of us have gotten used to him and have written him off as a poor attempt at satirical comedy.

if they changed the name to fox opinion network - they might get some credibility.

i am actually surprised that one or two of their on air personalities haven't been jailed for abusing the 1st. amendment.

but unfortunately, many americans watch this crap because they have no life of their own and would rather listen to some one blaming a public servant for their boring non-life than actually go out and live.

at least on the left view - kieth oberman is actually funny.

Posted by: boblesch | October 20, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

This administration is not big on the Free Market or Free Speech. And when the Market favors one media outlet over another and that outlet does not worship the Administration then they attack. Apparently the market favors an outlet that is honest and presents the facts. This Administration is Radical and will given the opportunity silence Free Speech. In this case FOX NEWS. Wonder why so many watch FOX NEWS while the others wilt on the vine?

5PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Glenn Beck – 2,620,000 viewers (681,000) (1,157,000)
Situation Room—640,000 viewers (111,000) (226,000)
Hardball w/ Chris Matthews—491,000 viewers (144,000) (237,000)
Fast Money—192,000 viewers (a scratch w/51,000) (85,000)
Prime News–227,000 viewers (111,000) (141,000)

Posted by: FraudObama | October 20, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Only a paid protector of Fox news would say something like this. The opposite is the truth, the administration is exposing an entity for what it is because it is doing damage to the country. There are many fools out there who fail to see what Fox News is.

Posted by: moemongo | October 20, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

The caption should be,
So called
"Fox no News" war on democrats. Yes it is dumb!

Posted by: ok4u | October 20, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Obama's people are simply pointing out the obvious when it comes to FOXNEWS.

Posted by: Emmetrope | October 20, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

The President’s attitude towards the Fox News Channel seems to be similar to a left wing college professor’s attitude towards his students. The professor establishes censorship with the implied threat to the students of not getting a good grade if they speak in opposition to his liberal opinions. The President was educated at Columbia and Harvard and taught Constitutional law at the University of Chicago. It wouldn’t be much of a stretch to believe that he is still in the academia mode with the attitude that he is the professor and the news media are his students. ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBS, PBS, and NPR should all be getting their 4.00’s at the end of the semester.

Posted by: harryvederchi | October 20, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Journalism used to be an honorable profession, complete with standards, ethics and freedom from bias. Journalism schools taught responsiblity to their students.

Fox is not a legitimate news source. They are to news what Jimmy Bakker was to religion. A fraud.

At least Stewart and Colbert don't pretend to be legitimate news sources.

Posted by: MHawke | October 20, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

As proof of their "fair and balanced" reporting claims, just compare their reporting of news with that of CBS, CNBC, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, the NY Times, LA Times and the Washington Post. Almost all the time you will see a tremendous liberal slant...
Posted by: jobbuster
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Sorry, no sale.
You may think it is "fair and honest" but the only real measure in my book is how well informed their audiance is (specifically with accurate information, btw). There are many surveys done all the time. Fox audiances don't do that well as a rule. Even Cobert has scored better! A freaking COMEDY SHOW! Pretty pathetic.

Posted by: tfspa | October 20, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Do you really think he has declared "war" on the press? When bush didn't have a press conference for the first nine months in office, was that war on ALL the press?

If Fox is really news, why don't they air speeches from the prez? They are the only network that chooses to keep Obama's speeches off the air. That sounds like they dont want to talk to him either.

Posted by: tmcproductions2004 | October 20, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Big mistake.

1. Gives more credibility to Fox News' contention that they are a legitimate counter to Obama's agenda;

2. Gives Roger Ailes exactly what he wants; a position of leadership among the right wing media/blogosphere; and, likely higher (or at least sustained) ratings which translate into more profits for the Murdoch empire.

3. Diverts WH attention and energy from the important issues;

4. Diverts the public attention from the important issues;

5. Helps the FOX "opionioaires" such as Beck, Hannity and O'Reilly by allowing them to state their rants are getting under Obama's skin and have validity;

Bottom line a really dumb move from a WH which was extremely media savvy during the campaign about picking its fights and not allowing the media to drive the message. Guess being in charge changes ones perspective and judgement.

Posted by: bobfbell | October 20, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

6PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Special Report with Bret Baier– 2,222,000 viewers (495,000) (904,000)
Situation Room—578,000 viewers (138,000) (238,000)
Ed Show—430,000 viewers (122,000) (194,000)
Mad Money —166,000 viewers (a scratch w/51,000) (97,000)
Prime News — 262,000 viewers (121,000) (132,000)

Posted by: FraudObama | October 20, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

As an Obama supporter I must reluctantly admit that Ms Marcus is on to something important here. By this narcisstic whining the White House is handing Fox a victory.

Posted by: mmurray2 | October 20, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

"Fox News" is a legimate news organization in the same sense that the the former Soviet Union newspaper Pravada was a legimiate newspaper: both are political propoganda tools that exist solely to spread propaganda. Consider, for example, the Roger Ailes memos leaked during the 2006 election, with this infamous quote: "Let's be on the lookout for any statements from the Iraqi insurgents who must be thrilled at the prospect of a Dem-controlled Congress." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/11/14/fox-news-internal-memo-be_n_34128.html
The Obama administration shouldn't have to pretend that this propoganda organization should be treated like a real news organization when it exists solely as the unofficial news organization of the Republican Party. http://mediamatters.org/research/200611150009

Posted by: Kennyb900 | October 20, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Dumb is as American as apple pie. The country has lots of dumb. Dumb lives at Fox Non-news.

Posted by: fare777 | October 20, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

'Fair and Balanced' means something different than it did 20 years ago.

Posted by: Emmetrope | October 20, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

The administration's accusation has untenable predicates, as well. Do they think that all news is political news? Do they think Fox fails to report sports or business results acurately? The opposite is clearly true. Fox has a widespread network of journalists and local offices that covers world events in a thorough and professional manner. That is the main reason their ratings are high.

Who do these politicians think they are?

Posted by: gismael

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Haha! Fox reports "sports news" accurately therefore its journalism in other areas is "accurate". Maybe true in terms of local affiliates, at the cable channel though, this is a joke.

On it's cable news channel Fox spends most of its money on commentators and graphic artists who have no journalistic training. That's where it's priorities are.

Those commentary programs are the bulk of the programming on the "news" channel.

When Fox covers political issues it always has a particular slant (e.g. it omits information and frames issues in a biased way). Fox has revolving door between it and the GOP in terms of on the camera personnel.

As a news org, it's telling that Murdoch selected a guy who cut his teeth as a GOP ad man to run the channel; and not someone who cuts his or her teeth practicing journalism.

Some of the practices that are acceptable at Fox wouldn't fly anywhere else. Fox is especially bad at disclosing and managing conflicts of interest. It just doesn't care. The management at the channel has no respect for its audience.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I am glad we live in America. If this is Iran, Fox people would have been in prison; and Glen Beck would have been shot.

Even Jesus had to recognize the free speech of the devil when they debated in the wilderness. And the truth prevailed.

Posted by: er1231 | October 20, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Nobody but the brain numbed watch anything but FOX News and that grinds this Radical Administration. They control their Liberal comrades and the bilge they trot out. FOX News is not controled by the Communists in Barry's Shadow Govt. The Open Free Market has spoken and Barry looses it when challenged.

7PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
The Fox Report w/ Shep –1,916,000 viewers (415,000) (743,000)
Lou Dobbs Tonight—423,000 viewers (105,000) (156,000)
Hardball w/ C. Matthews—583,000 viewers (172,000) (314,000)
Kudlow Report — 175,000 viewers (a scratch w/50,000) (a scratch w/50,000)
Issues– 734,000 viewers (256,000) (319,000)

8PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
The O’Reilly Factor– 2,490,000 viewers (583,000) (1,081,000)
Campbell Brown – 496,000 viewers (103,000) (195,000)
Countdown w/ K. Olbermann – 688,000 viewers (169,000) (196,000)
Fast Money – a scratch w/63,000 viewers (a scratch w/24,000) (a scratch w/41,000)
Options Action – a scratch w/63,000 viewers (a scratch w/22,000) (104,000)
Nancy Grace – 882,000 viewers (235,000) (361,000)

9 PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Hannity –2,000,000 viewers (497,000) (988,000)
Larry King Live —691,000 viewers (148,000) (240,000)
Rachel Maddow Show —937,000 viewers (238,000) (410,000)
The Suze Orman Show – a scratch w/122,000 viewers (a scratch w/39,000) (68,000)
Joy Behar- 536,000 viewers (190,000) (233,000)

Posted by: FraudObama | October 20, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse


6PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Special Report with Bret Baier– 2,222,000 viewers (495,000) (904,000)
Situation Room—578,000 viewers (138,000) (238,000)
Ed Show—430,000 viewers (122,000) (194,000)
Mad Money —166,000 viewers (a scratch w/51,000) (97,000)
Prime News — 262,000 viewers (121,000) (132,000)

Posted by: FraudObama

The "bandwagon" pitch is a sales technique, not an argument on its merits.

If we want to invoke the "wisdom of the crowd," it's worth noting that the U.S. population is 304 mill. (Fox should counter here with the "snob" appeal argument).

The fact that Fox is popular on cable is not an argument about the quality of Fox's programming, or the quality of its journalism. There's a market for Fox, just as there is a market for super-market tabloids.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

It's hardly a war. It's simply a decision by the Obama administration to counter lies being broadcast 24/7 by Roger Ailes, the same creep who brought us the Willie Horton ad. Somebody's got to do it. And if the press won't, who else is there?

Posted by: Dolmance | October 20, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Why is it so difficult for you to comprehend, Ms. Marcus, that the White House is simply tired of outright lies and fear-mongering? This is the only purpose Fox "News" serves. What's the point of giving interviews to people who'll say anything they want arther than report the facts? I do agree with you about MSNBC though. In general, 24-hour cable "news" networks have destroyed intellignet fiscourse in this country. Unfortunately, it seems most Americans would rather be entertained than hear rational arguments. The horrible consequence is people think political entertainment is actual news reporting.

Posted by: thadude33 | October 20, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Allen Combs is better looking than Megyn Kelly when neither is made up.

Posted by: Emmetrope | October 20, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

So I'm guessing all the FNC haters are okay with Acorn ripping off the taxpayer, a Green Czar who was an avowed Communist and 9/11 truther, and a member of the Obama Press Team who just loves Mao. Get over yourselves. Now, more than ever, this country needs to question it's government. How many nefarious people must be associated with this man until Liberals wake up and see they are being played. Nixon hated the NYT, banned them, isn't this the same thing Obama is doing. Freedom loving, hard-working, traditional Americans are hoping Obama sees the same fate as Tricky Dick.

This Admistration would not be throwing barbs at FNC unless they saw it as a threat, and the truth is, Independents & centrist democrats are watching, and those who fell for this charlatan are experiencing buyers remorse now, and will retaliate in the 2010 mids.

How blissfully ignorant it must be to be a hook-line and sinker true believer in this amateurish president.

Posted by: NCvotingGOP | October 20, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I have read lots of negative comments from leftist journalists and talkbackers alike who say how dumb and uniformed watchers and readers of FoxNews are, which is dumb in itself.

I read FoxNews online every day and I also read articles in at least 5 other newspapers too.

Anyone that gets all their news from just one source or even two or three will have a very skewed view of what's really going on.

Mike

Posted by: redmike | October 20, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Frankly, calling out Fox is long overdue. They should have been foreclosed upon years ago. For the majority of Americans who already know the scam on Fox, this means nothing - except happiness.

No one is under the illusion that any one network or station gets it all right all the time. Correction - the only ones under this illusion is people who watch Fox.

So yeah, let's expose Fox for what they are - an arm of the GOP. Therre's nothing wrong with that I suppose, as long as they wear these clothes and not the clothes of an umpire. Cause they're not an honest broker.

Posted by: ScottChallenger | October 20, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Murdoch has had an itch to buy one of the big networks for a while now. With all of them hurting financially, I find it ironic that, by attacking Fox and driving up their ratings, the White House is increasing Murdoch's purchasing power every day. The White House is just to economically illiterate to know this. Cosmic justice has a funny way of balancing itself.

Posted by: ADNova | October 20, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Why "down to the level of Glenn Beck?" Beck's stories often have stupid dramatic music, and an ominous quality to them. That said much of the substance of his concerns that President Obama is a closeted radical socialist/communist is worthy of consideration, and well documented.

But it seems his Beck's real offense is paying attention to what the faithful democrats that populate key spots in most print (NYT, WAPo, Boston Globe)and TV (CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, PBS) news and media wont, such as:

The growing lit of socialist/communist sympathizing people around Obama,

the ACORN-SEIU-Soros connections and curruption,

the clear political opportunism and conflict interest of Jeffrey Imelt's GE/MSNBC/NBC world,and the Obama administration,

the alarming ideas and sometime clearly stated goals expressed by the many in the current Obama leadership from sky rocketing energy prices, to smart grids that take away or ability to control our own thermostat, to promoting early decisions to end of life, to praising Hugo Chavez,Castro and Moa, to denouncing free speech, and many more,

The alarming effort of the Obama admin to overtly co-opt and pressure the art community via the NEA to support his agendas through their art,

It's not low for Beck to point these things out and ask questions, it's what used to be called curiosity and journalism. Although Beck is not a journalist by trade ironically...

What's really scary is that not only aren't the democrats in the big media interested in these important questions, they willingly supporting the president's agendas.

Are there any honest brokers left in the legacy media? Does anyone really care enough about our nation and freedom to ask questions that might hurt their favorite team (Blue)?

The only reason what Beck does seems low to the Democrats and leftists in the media is that they've been too busy either running stories that help the Democratics , or at least not hurt them, or digging dirt on the right.


Hello... is anyone listening?


Posted by: StevePadilla | October 20, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

CNN is so in the tank for Obama that they fact checked a Saturday Night Live routine of the President. What a pathetic excuse for a so-called news channel.

Posted by: harryvederchi | October 20, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Why can't we have Fox and the other news stations? I thought we were a country of diversity? What is Obama afraid of?

Posted by: 45upnorth | October 20, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Wrong. The White House has a responsibility to tell the public the truth (which is something the Bush administration failed to recognize). Fox news is 'Opinion News', and while some other sources may also be they are no where near the extent of bias of Fox news. If it is nothing more than a propaganda machine for the right, then it should be declared as such and let the people decide what to do with that information. Declaring war on a poor, uneducated population of goat farmer terrorists does not reduce you to their primitive level so why should it in the case of a small-minded, nutball cable news channel? That's just silly, Ms. Marcus.

Posted by: NewMoon | October 20, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Murdoch has had an itch to buy one of the big networks for a while now. With all of them hurting financially, I find it ironic that, by attacking Fox and driving up their ratings, the White House is increasing Murdoch's purchasing power every day. The White House is just too economically illiterate to know this. Cosmic justice has a funny way of balancing itself.

Posted by: ADNova | October 20, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

It's not a war and Fox doesn't have a news division.

Posted by: question-guy | October 20, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

The Administration says it wants to be asked the tough questions, but they don't. They say they are going to be transparent, but they won't

On the one hand you have Anita Dunn bragging about how they controlled the media, and with the other they make a fist to punish the one network that won't goose step along.

http://conservativelibertine.blogspot.com/2009/10/state-run-media-fox-is-not-news.html

Posted by: conservativelibertine | October 20, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse


FOX is a lying sack of poo.

Time to take the trash out.

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | October 20, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Typical illiberal lefties, any oppositional opinions must be shut down. FOX is successful because it is a different opinion which in a democracy is necessary in the public square.

I'm so sick of the little whiney fascists that have no respect for our First Amendment and the diversity of opinions.

Deal with it.

Posted by: onecent100 | October 20, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

NCvotingGOP,

Interesting point about "ACORN". Over the past 20 years ACORN has received less than $1 mill a year from taxpayers. That's not even a drop in the ocean. Yet Fox covers ACORN wall-to-wall, 24/7.

On the other hand, we have a company like KBR which has had employees raped and then locked in storage containers; we have companies like Haliburton which get BILLIONS in no-bid contracts and Fox tends to steer clear of those issues. Fox did almost nothing investigating BILLIONS in waste fraud and abuse in Iraq yet a few million become a central focus of Fox's programming.

That's should tell you something.

Fox's off-shore tax havens cost taxpayers more money in a year than ACORN has over its entire existence.

This administration feels obliged to respond to Fox, because it operates from the premise that lies shouldn't go unchallenged.

It's unfortunate that it has to be this way. Decades ago Fox News could not exists because of restrictions on foreign ownership of U.S. media companies. During the Reagan years, the GOP sold Murdoch his citizenship so that he could propagandize the U.S. market on the GOP's behalf. That's part of the Devil's bargain that the GOP has made.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Fox News is the Highest Rated channel on Cable these days. Q3 2009 had Fox taking 10 of 10 slots in the ratings.


Fox News has pulled off another dominant quarter, claiming the top 10 cable news programs in 3Q 2009 and growing against 3Q 2008, while CNN and MSNBC lost substantial portions of their election-boom audience.

Fox News averaged 2.25 million total viewers in prime time for the third quarter, up 2% over the previous year. That's more than CNN (946,000, down 30%) and MSNBC (788,000, down 10%) combined.

"The O'Reilly Factor" led all cable news programs with an average of 3.295 million total viewers for the quarter, up 12% over the previous year. "Hannity" (2.603 million, up 9%), "Glenn Beck" (2.403 million, up 89%), "On the Record with Greta van Susteren" (2.150 million, up 16%), and "Special Report with Bret Baier" (1.997 million, up 20%) rounded out the top five.


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/30/fox-news-dominates-3q-200_n_304260.html

Posted by: AlbyVA | October 20, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

So I'm guessing all the FNC haters are okay with Acorn ripping off the taxpayer. Posted by: NCvotingGOP

Good example of a FOXNEWS non-story. ACORN received very little government money. ACORN did help people sign up to vote. Karl Rove did not count these new voters as GOP voters.

Now there's the rest of the story you won't hear 24/7 on FOXNEWS.

Posted by: Emmetrope | October 20, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Anita Dunn, the Mass Murdering, Child Murdering and Molesting,Communist Dictator Enthusiast in the White House made a big mistake here. All the other networks and newspapers are relegated to reporting on Fox News in order to maintain some relevance and still recieve a pat on the head from the Mass Murdering, Child Murdering and Molesting, communist Dictator Enthusiasts in the White House. Fox News audience keeps growing, people like what they see there instead of the cute little white house poodles on the other networks.

Posted by: robtr | October 20, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

We don't have to imagine what would happen if Bush had pulled a "hissy fit" over MSNBC, his last press secretary, Dana Perino, admitted yesterday that they deliberately froze them out. Next time try doing some research before you write something that hundreds of people are going to read.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/19/perino-msnbc/

Posted by: bob84 | October 20, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Amen. Get to work on the public option, putting Americans back to work, re-regulating the banks, getting out of Iraq, concentrating on Bin Laden and his grizzly gang and not propping up a corrupt drug running Afgan government just because Gen. McCrystal wants a page in the history books, get a decent SEC Chairman who does her job instead of cutting plea bargains that federal judges laugh at, do campaign reform so that the federal government is no longer held hostage by merchants of death and greed on K Street, and quit raising money at private dinners with high dollar donors--remember in the U.S. it's supposed to be one person one vote. We are still waiting for the fruits of Change We Can Believe in, another Roosevelt (TR or FDR) not another Clinton.

Posted by: allan3 | October 20, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Wow. Even mention the words Fox News and you bring the wack-jobs out of the woodworks. I DO NOT watch ANY of the cable news networks (prefer WaPo, WSJ, etc.), but too many people are focusing their analysis (fury?) on the people who provide commentary and opinions. Yes, most of those guys are conservatives or populist-conservatives, but there are unbiased newsreaders on the channel that just do the reporting. The same is true for MSNBC, although the presence of Olbermann's big mouth on that network drowns out nearly everything else.

Posted by: novalfter | October 20, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Anita Dunn, the Mass Murdering, Child Murdering and Molesting,Communist Dictator Enthusiast in the White House made a big mistake here.Posted by: robtr

Is this a copy of your resume'?

Posted by: Emmetrope | October 20, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

The only way for Liberals to create a Utopia is it to institute Fascism and force everybody to obtain the "Master Plan".

I suppose liberals fail to realize they are behaving just like Nazis. Phase II for the Liberals, Control the Press and make sure everybody repeats the Dictator's Propaganda.
Phase III will be when the Dictator sends the DOJ to shut down opposition and jail those who exercise their freedom of speech.

Posted by: AlbyVA | October 20, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Obama is an amateur and he is surronded by suck up half wits. Republicans need to thank them all for the assistance he is proving in getting them a number of seats back come 2010. I mean just look at the gov races in NJ and VA. I don't know who is worse, Obama for being arrogant and ignorant or the folks that can't see that.

Posted by: mmourges | October 20, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad President Obama is giving Fox "Noise" Network what they want....attention!

Now more and more people will see what the President is/was talking about as far as right-wing-nut opinion journalism.

This came about because President Obama doesn't grant their sorry "tails" interviews. Why should he? If you don't think airing his health care speech to Congress was important enough to show the American people, then the False Noise Network isn't important enough to speak to.

Posted by: BigHustla | October 20, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Typical illiberal lefties, any oppositional opinions must be shut down. FOX is successful because it is a different opinion which in a democracy is necessary in the public square.

I'm so sick of the little whiney fascists that have no respect for our First Amendment and the diversity of opinions.

Deal with it.

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Agreed, onecent100.

Under commercial speech protections wingnuts should be entitled to support foreign propaganda channels if they so chose.

Fox is successful because the U.S. has a market of 304 million and within that population there are all kinds of niche groups that can be sold various kinds of programming.

There's even a market of perhaps 3-5 mill. who want a steady diet of wingnut propaganda.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Well, after reading Ruth and the above comments this story in the Boston Globe says it all:

WASHINGTON - The unprecedented number of death threats against President Obama, a rise in racist hate groups, and a new wave of antigovernment fervor threaten to overwhelm the US Secret Service, according to government officials and reports, raising new questions about the 144-year-old agency’s overall mission.

Who is leading the charge? Wake up Ruth there is a problem.

Posted by: keirandcee | October 20, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

One would think Obama would be happy having CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, NPR, NY Times, WaPo all drinking his Kool-Aid and acting as his PR machine.

But as for all good Marxists selling fear and envy, one opposition voice is one too many!

Posted by: pgr88 | October 20, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

The American people are not stupid. All you have to do is look at the ratings of the various news outlets to see who the majority gets their news from. The thing that got Obama so upset was Fox News coverage of ACORN corruption. The other News outlets were clueless or had no interest. That was pure news by two people who did not even work for Fox News. There was no opinion injected into that story.

Posted by: harryvederchi | October 20, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Looney Tunes News or Foxism kool-aid of paranoia, bigotry, stupidity and McCarthyism at its best.

Posted by: antiquelt | October 20, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Didn't the administration learn anything from the schoolyard? When you react, you give bullies what they want. They want to see you upset, unhinged, unsettled, etc. So, don't get down in the mud with the pigs!

Honestly, what Obama was doing, giving talks on TV to dispel rumors was the right thing. He merely stated what was fact and what was fiction. But in fairness, I *do* understand his and his administration's frustration with Fox News. Fox is hardly news, and chock full of Conservative bias. But, sadly, there are millions of Americans that take Fox News seriously. And unfortunately, it has caused facts to be twisted and misconstrued, and has caused delays in the healthcare overhaul, and other reforms that would actually benefit the very people, who oppose these changes.

Posted by: jromaniello | October 20, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Hey Mrs. Marcus, whatever. Calling Anita Dunn's calling out of FOX Noise dumb is dumb. Why are you getting mired in opinion about their battle? Looks like it created a story for you. Since the President did not utter the words of Anita Dunn, it is not the White House getting caught up in a war of words/opinions with FOX Noise (not news and you know that!!!), it is Anita Dunn. She is defending the administration she proudly serves just as Dick Cheney is defending his lying and manipulative policies with all the speaking out he has done since the new administration took over. Question Mrs. Marcus, why isn't the former President speaking up and out as much as "Dick"?! What about Condoleeza Rice?

Let's call this what it trully is and stop the sensationalizing that ALL you media outlets are guilty of. It is a proud staffer speaking out against a network that runs negative coverage on the administration she is a part of. That is it!!!! No more, no less. Tell the truth for a change people, your periodical will be respected more.

Posted by: ajackson3 | October 20, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Obama's war on Fox News is also a war on the First Amendment worthy of a high crime and misdemeanor.

Posted by: KerbyTex | October 20, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

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YES you are RIGHT and hope that FOX is shot and tried for Treason for spewing out Nazi like propaganda..

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Posted by: Issa1 | October 20, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

In a word: Insecurity. Obama himself is quite confident, and single-handedly seems to be keeping the balance for his entire administration. I'm not saying you need to go the Bush route and get stubborn and arrogant people, but ther are quite a lot a reasonable, intelligent, confident people who should be leading.

Hopefully Obama will work his way through the manifest list of political favors he needs to repay soon.

Posted by: Wallenstein | October 20, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

The American people are not stupid. All you have to do is look at the ratings of the various news outlets to see who the majority gets their news from. The thing that got Obama so upset was Fox News coverage of ACORN corruption. The other News outlets were clueless or had no interest. That was pure news by two people who did not even work for Fox News. There was no opinion injected into that story.

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Interesting observation. Did Fox air the video from the ACORN office in Philly where the staff said they couldn't help the under-cover "journalists" and then called the police to report the suspicious activity?

Of course they didn't, because it would have "complicated" their narrative.

That's one of the reasons that there's a market for Fox.

The channel relies on an audience that isn't very media saavy. It uses manipulation techniques and framing that most 20 year olds would sniff out pretty quickly based on years of experience with advertising sales techniques.

There was plenty of bias in the framing of the subject matter, but the typical Fox News viewer wasn't able to sniff it out. They weren't even conscious of the ways that Fox was manipulating the story, their perceptions, and reinforcing their prejudices.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

This article makes the author look small, weak and short of anything of substance to write about

Posted by: Sekigahara1600 | October 20, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Tax payer funded bashing.

"This (ATTACK ON FOX NEWS) is an abuse of power. Taxpayers should not be funding Whitehouse Staff bashing and deamonizing a news outlet.

If Obama wants to demonize Fox, let him use his campaign funds."

Posted by: mharwick | October 20, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

2009frank said: "First, I love watching Fox and have never found it boring or other than fair and balanced when it comes to the news. Beck and other opinion shows have their own audiences and are doing just fine."

Frank, that you say Fox is not "boring" in the same breath as you say it is "fair and balanced" speaks volumes about how much thought you give to what they are feeding you. Just because you are distracted by their "infotainment" style does not mean it is unbaised.

As far as separating the opinion shows from the news, consider that only about 16.5% of Fox's daily line-up is actually news . . . everything else is opinion, analysis, commentary, etc. Worse yet, their own schedule lists these commentators as "bold, "brash," "outrageous," and "outspoken." They even say that "you won't believe what they have to say!" These are Fox's own words to describe their programming, not someone trying to discredit them! So, do you really think people are tuning in to get informed from the (debatably) "fair and balanced" 16.5%, or for 83.5% of the day that sensationalist, over-the-top yellow journalism?

Make it fun ("bold" and "outrageous") and entertaining (or, as you say, "never boring"), and most people won't even notice the propaganda that you are shoving down their throats. They will "love watching" it (to use your words)!

Posted by: tomguy1 | October 20, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

It is worse than dumb, it is scarily un-American to make a public campaign that singles out one major news outlet proclaiming it not to be "real" news.

The Chicago playground bully team may be feeling all-powerful in their White House roost, but their actions are striking fear into the hearts of anyone in American who values freedom of the press.

They should be put down and made to stop from this misadventure in no uncertain terms by all the free press. Whoever thinks that kind of pressure will never arrive at your doorstep has a poor comprehension of history.

Posted by: DDiorioNDallas | October 20, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Fox news is successful because it, alone, is reporting that the Emperor has no clothes.

Posted by: CapnRusty | October 20, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

One thing the Bush Administration was really good at, and that was ignoring people (especially news machines).

Bush hated the New York Times, and how many interviews did Bush do for them?

If Fox is so hungry for news, and other news casters are hungry for a gritty story, why don't they wake up George W. Bush and get some answers from him, since they're friendly and all.


Posted by: lindalovejones | October 20, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

While I noted the similarities months ago on my blog - so private that only I read it, I suspect - this is just another Carter presidency only with a larger helping of mean and bullying thrown in...so why should we be surprised about the whining and resentfulness when the administration is doing things that most American people resent? Fox is simply mirroring the larger discontent with the obvious inexperience of the president, nothing more.

Does the president's pit bull manager think that a complete reversal of formerly American principles in foreign relations is going to earn admiration? Maybe from the tin-pot, totalitarian regimes he prefers, but most Americans prefer to avoid living under a "regime", or at least desire the illusion of such - so the backlash from those who wish to be citizens rather than subjects should not be surprising...unless they think like Carter, that is. And from my perspective, working from a naive approach to foreign and domestic relations is not the way to "lead".

Posted by: DrDuncanDruhl | October 20, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse


THE QUESTION: "Who watches FAUX News?"

THE ANSWER: "America's bigots, and racists, and liars, and hypocrites, and traitors, and pedophiles, and greedy pigs, and stupid 'diary of a mad Housewives, etc."

Posted by: chasemonster | October 20, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

The problem is really that journalistic intergrity is gone. A little restraint a lot of sceptacism is needed on the part of journalists. Not everything is "news" not everything should be reported without question. Witness "baloon boy" before going live with constant coverage, didn't anyone wonder how a flimsy helium baloon could lift off with a six-year-old on board? "UP" was CGI and no more real than the "spontaneous" "Tea Party" thing that started with Glenn Beck, but was reported by Fox and subsequently the MSM as if it were news. That would be like reporting bowling night as news (suddenly, these people showed up with strange shoes and they all seemed to be focusing on one thing, knocking pins down) or Sham-Wow as news (it is just amazing--the man on TV said it can soak up anything--he declined to answer questions about what would happen if it were dropped in the ocean). It is not news, it is something that someone is advocating, selling and if it is covered at all, it belongs in the opinion pages or in the lighthearted news segment. As in, "Glenn Beck, a FOX TV host is trying to get people to come to Washington to protest paying taxes. They will be arriving by roads built with tax dollars, or at airports built with tax dollars, their planes will be guided by air traffic controllers paid by tax dollars, they will be kept safe by police paid with tax payer dollars and they will be protesting all of that and like most journalists, they will never see how flawed their reasoning is." Instead, however, it was reported everywhere as a "spontaneous" tax protest. It was no more spontaneous than any political rally. In contrast, the Berlin Wall coming down was a spontaneous newsworthy event. A couple thousand people coming to Washington because they were told to come to Washington to protest paying taxes while getting an inordinate benefit from those taxes they do not want to pay is not news unless you report the reason they were there. On that note, I think it is interesting that now that the advocates of the Tea Parties have learned that the Tea Partiers were not only opposed to Democrats, but Republicans as well, they have stopped advocating.

Posted by: Prosperity2008 | October 20, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

The media can not stay down the middle on anything. Yes Bush and Obama avoids media outlets so what. Is this new!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You needed a column for the week. Try Health Care. My Family plan is going up 10 % and the insurance companies are saying the new bill would be worst. Every year it goes up and the media says what exactly. Where is the investigative reporting? The American people are getting jerked in the worst way.

Posted by: jet1994 | October 20, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Fox is not a news channel. It is pure entertainment, and so incidentally is MSNBC. People like Beck, O'Reilley and Hannity are pure entertainers. Beck pretends to cry, O'Reilley is a right wing nut, who pretends to lean a little to the left, so as to look "FAIR AND BALANCED" , never leaving out the "CULTURE WARRIORS" , and Hannity is off the chart. He keeps harping on the same stuff over and over. Should Obama trash them? Nah. Obama and his administration should give Fox what they want; interview with them, and let the viewers see really how rediculous Fox really is.

Posted by: jemvbcarmagh06 | October 20, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

A news station has the responsibility to tell news to the American people the truth. That is why they are allowed to be called a news agency. Any news agency that purposefully tells lies and spreads false claims to benefit a party or cause can never be trusted to give the news in a responsible way to the American people. Enter Fox(no)news. No way at all is MSNBC or CNN comparable to Fox news. There is a pretty good mix of republican and democrat chatter to go around. But Fox is ONE SIDED.

Posted by: kubrickstan | October 20, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Wow.. I could not disagree with this more. Faux News is having a hugely negative impact on the American democratic process by spreading absolute lies. If anything, the White House has been woefully remiss, as has the FCC, in calling Faux News on the carpet for its blatant lies told as "news".

Posted by: CardFan | October 20, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse


Once again the Obama white house makes news by simply reporting what is obvious to everyone. Fox is strongly biased.

This should be obvious to everyone. They instigated and directly promoted political events. They have stood up and cheered as America has lost.

They are what they are. The president has called them out. It's past time that someone did.

Posted by: zpope | October 20, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Yesterday Glenn Beck tried to provide Anita Dunn with guidance. He had Chairman Mao waiting at the red phone to answer her questions.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Obama with such unprecendted majority in house and senate should immediately consider making changes in his staff. Already the popularity is declining because of the decisions/indecisions. People in other countries who supported him are now doubting his ability to keep up promises he made during campaign. The fact checking by Chris Wallace should have enlightened white house about the irresponsible statements made on Sunday asking other News media to derecognize Fox News which one likes or not has maximum audience was very childish. The results in Virginia and New Jersey(Even if democrats lose by a thin margin)will be a marker for 2010.

Posted by: ganeshan | October 20, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Of course, the Administration doesn't like Fox News. The truth hurts!

Posted by: bilrux | October 20, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Fox news is successful because it, alone, is reporting that the Emperor has no clothes.

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Alternatively, "Fox 'News' is successful," because, as PT Barnum once said, "a sucker is born every minute".

It's successful for the same reason that a supermarket tabloid, or tabloid TV programs like Current Affair -- were once popular.

It's successful, if and only if, we measure the success of news orgs based on the same metric that we use for any kind of entertainment programming.

In a country of 300 million+ yes, there is indeed a market for Fox 'News' kind of idiocy.

It attracts the audience too without the aid of the Page Two Girl (although it does have eye-candy for the dirty old man demo).

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Ms. Marcus,

There is an extremely large difference between 'heat' and 'rampant sensationalism posing as hard news.' And while this likely will not be viewed as one of Obama's most masterful moves, and also while his staff continues to pointlessly fan the flames by taking up on this talking point as well, it does not mean that the criticism isn't well deserved or off the mark. What would have been more effective, and far less divisive, is to take the criticism to the whole of cable news.

Simply repeating a slogan over and over ('fair and balanced') while consistently demonstrating the opposite (with the one single exception of Shep Smith, sometimes) is textbook commercial propaganda, and it works! They say they're fair and balanced so they must be! Very few cable news aficionados listen/watch with a critical viewpoint, they merely absorb the talking points for later regurgitation, so they can feel better about themselves for being 'informed.'

Those Fox fans that are taking up the fight on their behalf should realize that there most people hold the whole of cable news as a putrid cesspool of hype and garbage, and not many rational, fair-minded people that will point out Fox's glaring bias and lack of integrity while not recognizing the same in MSNBC, CNN, etc.

The point that the president should have made, if he were to stick his neck out on this issue at all, is that there seems to be a growing gap between what defines 'news' and what defines 'journalism,' and point out that most of cable news is gravitating heavily towards the 'news' end of the spectrum, with Fox leading the precipitous charge towards it.

Posted by: cschetter | October 20, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

What does Anita Dunn see in Chairman Mao?

For that matter, why does Obama have so many communists and mass killer admirers on his staff?

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I watch Fox News and will continue to watch it. Le the President attack it, in fact let him try to shut it down.That will show his true colors. This administration is into mind control, through the media.

I do not care for Beck, but a lot of people do ,that is why he is on the show. People like him, let Obama get them really mad.

Posted by: Aircommando | October 20, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"Cable Companies who title their programming as NEWS should be neutral in their reporting.I have no problem with a cable company being partisan as long as they don't use the title "NEWS.They do not dispense the NEWS,they are advocating a political point of view and as such their programs should be so identified."

Posted by: rmosco | October 19, 2009 5:37 PM
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Are you referring to CNN or MSNBC? Both editorialize and cherry pick their stories to buttress certain political ideologies. FoxNews is not alone.

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Of course, with WAPO's full on official endorsement of VA's Democratic gubernatorial candidate, can we call them an "Opinionpaper" vs Newspaper?

This White House is full of whining spoiled children.

Posted by: RobParker | October 20, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

The Obama White House assault on the 1st Amendment and FOX News is eerily similar to the way Hugo Chavez started in his effort to eliminating a free press in Venezuela. He first started accusing the networks and newspapers that were critical of him of being part of the opposition. Then as he consolidated his power he started shutting them down. Of course that seems way too far fetched for the United States doesn't it. Then we find out that the favorite philospher of the Obama advisor who launched the attack is Chairman Mao! We know what Mao did to those who were critical of him? Of course that could never happen here could it?

Posted by: valwayne | October 20, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Blame Fox.
Is that like - Blame Bush?

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Any adminstration is walking a fine line when "calling out" the free press. And I would hope that all the networks would see this as a wake up call to be very careful when disagreeing with the President...I'm not talking about the Glenn Beck or Keith Olbermann shows/followers. Everyone is aware that their shows cater to their viewers.

The White House would do a better service to the American public that they were elected to serve by using their press office and senior staff to create a solution to our health care crisis, financial crisis and protecting our troups. If they are doing their job, then who care what Fox News or any other network is reporting...that is what the taxpayers want and deserve from President Obama, David Axelrod, Anita Dunn, Rahm and the rest of them...not a battle with the press.

Posted by: yam1 | October 20, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad the White House is taking on Fox news. Fox lies, distorts, incites fear and unrest. It would be remiss for the White House to dismiss the influence Fox has in propagating falsehoods. They have no business calling themselves a "news" channel. As the press (sometimes unfair) has become an influencing factor in public opinion, it is fair game to have strategies for dealing with those propagating lies. All recent presidents have had a person to do this, and no one controlled it better than Bush.

Posted by: KG12 | October 20, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

HISSY. That's a great name for whoever is running the White House.

From now on, I will refer to him as the "little hissy."

Thanks, Ruth.

Posted by: InHarmsWay | October 20, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

You had it right in the first sentence. People who get their "news" from TV are doomed to be dummies.

Posted by: Jumpy66 | October 20, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Fox is both a news organization and a political commentary orgainzation under one roof. Obama made the mistake of lumping them together. So now he has both the commentary wing (on the 10th floor) and the news wing (on the 8th floor) commenting about his comment. After all, what Obama says is news, even if it regards Obama commentary about Fox.

I recall that in one episode Glenn Beck tried to show Obama that Fox is two entities that never meet. He called in Patti Ann, one of the dry, objective, balanced news people to show Obama the news room. Yes, Fox has a news room. Its quite large and staffed by what looks like about 50 people doing research.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

The evidence continues to pile up revealing Mr. Obama to be the weakest and most hateful President in our history.

Posted by: johnson0572 | October 20, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Fox News has gone beyond sensible criticism if not beyond decency. As an Italian who's spent last summer in the US, I can only say that Fox News sounds an awful lot like Berlusconi's TV programs...

Posted by: LaCa | October 20, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

The point Marcus is missing is Fox News is the only television network out there that challenges the Obama administration. The 80%+ of reporters, producers, and anchors are liberal, and their personal political opinions color their coverage. Obama receives very little criticism or scrutiny of his policies, unless the criticism is about Obama not being progressive enough or forceful enough.

This story isn't about Fox News. The administration is using Fox News as a smokescreen.

The real story is about an overwhelming number of news organizations and "journalists" who use their influence to push a left-of-center political agenda in which they agree with.

Posted by: systrac3 | October 20, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Its interesting that Obama nor anyone else has identified anything false the Fox said.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Fox isn't news, and it never has been. And they're as ridiculous now as they've ever been. All the Obama administration has done is to stop pretending.

If you want to help keep their pretense going, then you're free to waste the column space. But the 'war' is just Fox news and their media sympathizers milking the situation. Noone else cares. And the worst thing the Obama administration could do now is relent and go back to pretending their legitimacy.

So deal with it. Or not. Either way you gain no points with anyone outside the wingnut fringe siding with Fox.

Posted by: Brix | October 20, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Ms. Marcus I disagree. Fox "News" is a national shame-- the fact that it can pass for a news media outlet, and not be judged for the Goebbels-style propaganda organ it actually is, makes us all look like a nation of complete idiots. About time someone had the cojones to take on their lies.

Posted by: alarico | October 20, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

The American people are not stupid. All you have to do is look at the ratings of the various news outlets to see who the majority gets their news from. The thing that got Obama so upset was Fox News coverage of ACORN corruption. The other News outlets were clueless or had no interest. That was pure news by two people who did not even work for Fox News. There was no opinion injected into that story.

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Interesting observation. Did Fox air the video from the ACORN office in Philly where the staff said they couldn't help the under-cover "journalists" and then called the police to report the suspicious activity?

Of course they didn't, because it would have "complicated" their narrative.

That's one of the reasons that there's a market for Fox.

The channel relies on an audience that isn't very media saavy. It uses manipulation techniques and framing that most 20 year olds would sniff out pretty quickly based on years of experience with advertising sales techniques.

There was plenty of bias in the framing of the subject matter, but the typical Fox News viewer wasn't able to sniff it out. They weren't even conscious of the ways that Fox was manipulating the story, their perceptions, and reinforcing their prejudices.

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Dan Rather (CBS) produced phony documents in a story on 60 Minutes about Bush in the National Guard. The NYT printed a totally fictitious story about John McCain and an affair with a lobbyist. They put it on page one while ignoring the Story of John Edwards affair and love child, which turned out to be true. I suppose there is no bias or manipulation at the New York Times or CBS. It must be because the New York Times and CBS audiences are so sophisticated that they can't see manipulation by the press.

Posted by: harryvederchi | October 20, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

For anyone interested in corruption at high levels, tonight Glenn Beck will unveil his chart showing all the savory connections to the White House.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Fox is the ONLY news outlet that has questioned or tried to vet Obama. The rest of the media has acted like a feckless lot swooning over a rock star. Actions not in the best interest of the country. This administration is taking the first rule from Saul Alinsky's "Rule For Radicals" and using it on Fox. It is "Isolated and Ridicule".Fox has exposed what is at the heart of this administration and they are furious. This is a center right country and they are left of center left which means their views are not what most Americans are.

Posted by: katie6 | October 20, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm just wondering what took the White House so long to state the obvious: FoxNews is the very definition of an oxymoron.

Posted by: HughBriss | October 20, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Fox is so popular because it is the only counterbalance to the liberal media. THe Van Jones / ACORN stories would not have been heard without Fox. People need get news from the left (NYT / WaPo / CBS / NBC / MSNBC / ABC / NPR / PBS) and from the right (Fox / Drudge) to get the whole picture. You can't simply watch Fox or MSNBC and expect to get the whole picture.

BTW, I do love the screaming liberal all-caps brigade. The "tolerant" left is only tolerant of those who agree with them.

Posted by: sold2u | October 20, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Glenn Beck installed a red phone to the White House. Obama could phone anytime Beck said something untrue. Beck never got a call.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

"You can fool all the people some of the time; you can fool some of the people all the time; but you can't fool all the people all the time." So said one of our great presidents. The media, Congress(ugh), Wall Street, and the Executive branch ought to get a grip. People are angry. No wonder idiots like Beck and Olbermann are popping to the surface. They feed into the anger. This Fox News thing is soooo childish. And where did this Anita Dunn come from? Arghhh.

Posted by: RonGene | October 20, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I totally disagree Marcus's silly argument. Fox News is thuggish, biased and blatantly dishonest. Since the media, including the Post, is too cowardly to call a spade a spade, then the White House should. What Fox propogates is lies and distortion, not truth, then thank God someone is finally fighting back.

Until Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow came along most Democrats thought the airwaves were owned by the far right. Olbermann and Maddow proved that was not the case, and have finally given voice to the other side.

Fox News is a corrupt organization, a militant arm of the Right, and, as should have been done in Germany in the 1930's, someone should call them on their hateful and distorted views. Thank God the White House is finally speaking out! Fight on and God Speed.

Posted by: ericscam21 | October 20, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Marcus,
known to be snitty and bitter aa points,
sticks up for FOX.

Perhaps she anticipates a gig there. We'll have to watch.
More likely, Marcus deems Fox more friendly to Israel...her first interest.

Otherwise, why this steaming little column?

Posted by: whistling | October 20, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Why should Obama "play the game."

FOX News isn't news, even though news from the most of dominant media isn't much better.

FOX is a neocon, corporatist mouthpiece, so let's not mince words.

One need only remember the run up to the war in Iraq, where if you turned on FOX News you saw images of Saddam Hussien and a burning World Trade Center--Saddam had nothing to do with 9-11, but you wouldn't know that in a bar, bank or hotel lobby with the sound turned down or barely audible.

Another example would be if you did hear one of their panels of talking heads before the president make his call to invade. Thodr against an invasion weren't present, instead the "debate" one heard was whether to invade or nuke Iraq.

FOX News when called on their propaganda and distortions cite the fact that they are an "entertainment" network. Sure, they are entitled to their opinions and the guarantees of free speech, but the President is also free to shun them.

Posted by: wayoffbaseguy | October 20, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Yes, none of us would have know about VanJones, Anita Dunn, ACORN corruption, SEIU, and others had Fox kept its mouth shut. Corruption might have gone unnoticed. Funny how the Framers thought the press would serve as watchdogs over the executive branch.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Very reminiscent of how Hugo Chavez started his eventual take over and shut down of dissenting media in Venezuela. I guess if you are a liberal, you are right and no one else's opinion matters.

Posted by: Fontana1 | October 20, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Seems the White House and Gibbs feel that "news" is being delivered by their latest hit on saying the rest of the media should watch Beck and Hannity and see what the WH is talking about. My goodness......is Obama and his group that immature, silly and petty that they consider Beck and Hannity a newscaster? OR is this more about squashing dissent and media control? The veiled threat given to CNN that they better not follow the path of Fox is even more chilling coming from the likes of Rahm Emmanuel.

Posted by: justmyvoice | October 20, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

This Ruth Marcus lady is getting on my last nerve. She is obviously throwing her lot in with Fox. When did Fox buy the Washington Post? It's true every organization reporting so called news has an ideological shift but no one, NO ONE, is as bad as Fox. They are spewing hate, not espousing their so called point. The other channels--MSNBC, CNN, HLN News, etc., also have opinions, but you can at least watch them without getting angry. Watching all that unabashedly hateful ranting would make anybody angry but that is the way Fox wants it. They want their listeners angry and fomenting some revolution. The other channels may have opinions but they're not whipping all of the nut jobs in the country into anarchy the way Beck does or Hannity does. Talk about mind control and think about what Fox is doing. Take your mind back and use it.

Posted by: rlcampbell | October 20, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I like to watch the Newshour with Jim Lehrer on PBS. You can see it every night live, or go back on-line and watch "on demand." The best feature on Newshour is when an interview is conducted with 2-3 differing "experts." YOu can draw your own conclusions about a debate topic.

Also, I like to watch Jon Stewart, a political satirist on Comedy Central. His "news" is entertaining, and ridiculous, and stupid all at once. He tends to poke fun at both political parties.

FOX NEWS has been tarred by the Obama Administration as the "voice of the GOP." This is useful positioning because it paints republicans as out of touch with the majority of voters. Obama was elected in landslide, and democrats are running congress these days. Marginalizing strident voices is good politics. Republicans have a choice, stand for constructive conservative principals, or stand for strident destructive ideologues. That is, whenever republicans stand with Mr. Limbaugh, Mr. Beck, Michelle Malkin, etc. they show themselves as dull knives.

Posted by: rmorris391 | October 20, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Please, PLEASE stop putting the "Fox News" logo on these stories.

It only reinforces the idea that Fox has anything to do with News in the first place.

Ah well... if they say it enough times, loudly enough, it must be true.

Posted by: jamshark70 | October 20, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

It must be obvious to all but the most radical left-wingers that the White House chooses to denigrate the ONLY news outlet that slants to the right. I watch Fox News SPECIFICALLY because, unlike other news outlets, they are willing to cover stories that might shed an unfavorable light on the current administration. CNN and MSNBC only follow suit when the story becomes so big they can no longer keep it swept under the rug.

Although Fox News does have at least a couple of over-the-top opinion guys (Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity), they also have pure news folks such as Bret Baier, Shepard Smith, and, one of the news persons I respect most: Chris Wallace.

Posted by: lxhobson | October 20, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

No, I don't think it makes the White House look weak at all. FoxNews is about as fair and balanced as, oh, Pravda. They're Karl Rove's house organ. Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow exist in large part because FoxNews exists -- if Fox closed down tomorrow, Keith and Rachel would soon follow, because there wouldn't be a need.

If you were a real journalist, Ruth, you'd be doing a column about the problem -- a propaganda outlet masquerading as a news channel.

Then maybe the White House could stay out of it.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 20, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

The worst part about this entire controversy is that if you people in the MSM would do your job the Whitehouse would not have to do it for you. It is you people who insist on giving FOX FAKE NEWS legitimacy. You know they are crooked. You know they are nothing more than political shills for the Republican Party but you continue to act as if they are a news source. I don’t blame Mr. Obama for taking them on. He should not allow them to keep spewing lies about him all over the airwaves without challenging them to stop. Why don’t you people grow a pair and stand up for what you know is right. You allowed this attitude to take un into an unjustified war resulting in the deaths of more American than bin Laden ever accomplished and you still sit on your hands. To add insult to injury you actually pick up on Fox’s lies and make real arguments about them as if they are real. Please, spare me your fake indignant attitudes. Mr. Obama should never have had to resort to this strategy but the MSM left him no choice!

Posted by: dhampton100 | October 20, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"It makes the White House look small, dragged down to the level of Glenn Beck", you say. You know, you folks might consider offering Mr. Beck a warm thank you (for doing the work your paper should be doing).

Posted by: tcogs | October 20, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Obama couldn't find anyting false that Fox said. Thats because it is all true. The Obama white house is a den of corruption intent on making America a Marxist state. Obama's Christmas present to all Americans will be loss of freedom.

Fox just tells it like it is. So, true to every precept of despotism, Obama tried to marginalize Fox and enlist other news organizations in the effort.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Greta's rebuttal to Rahm, Axelrod & Dunn that FOX is not news was great, showing clips of interviews with many world leaders and important stories.

Let the FOX haters like Obama and his White House flunkies spew their nonsense and align themselves with the Daily Kos/Media Matters mentality the other networks and news outlets have done. Their network of choice is fact checking SNL skits and it's main new anchor Cooper is calling Americans teabaggers for heavens sake. Their crowd thinks Jon Stewart is the most trusted newsman in the country. LOL.....whatever.

FOX News is covering serious stories and challenging this administration’s political philosophy. Philosophies that greatly effect American lives; and good, honest, hard working people know it. They trust this network, as they should, it’s fair and balanced.

Posted by: sheryl7962 | October 20, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

There is not a single "news" cable channel that does not sway to one side or the other (well, maybe headline news). What is going to be lost in all of this is the "party of common sense". Those of us in the middle who, while we may not agree with what is said on fox, msnbc, etc. do believe in free speech and believe that we are intelligent enough to look at all the coverage and make up our own minds regarding a story. We do not need some political pundit analyzing and explaining each and every happening of the day. We want reporters to REPORT...the FACTS...all of them...whether the reporter agrees or not. One more example of the dumbing down of America, that we even consider it ok for the government to take what could be considered the first steps at censorship. Let us be the censor's, with the off button on our own remotes!

Posted by: aleciak | October 20, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

50% of the Fox viewers are DEMOCRATS and independents.

When I read about all of these people who blindly follow a man who is leading them into socialism and the destruction of the United States of America it reminds of the movie "Dawn of the Dead". Wake up people you are not immune to his antics either. remember people like obama eat their young.

Posted by: MKB1 | October 20, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

A few days ago Blenn Beck was commenting on the America he once knew that is passing away. He broke down in the middle of a sentence. All of us who remember the days when Americans was free feel the same.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Fox is nothing but a lying White Supremacist mouthpiece for the former republican party, now a hateful gang that hate minorities, immigrants, gays, health care, science, etc. etc. etc. What happened to the Fairness Doctrine?? If Fox is so "fair and balanced" then why do they oppose it?

Posted by: joecoppo | October 20, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Fox News on cable is a talk show and should never have been licensed as a news station. There is no news presented on that cable show. The hosts lie and make up all sorts of foolishness just to push the super conservative agenda. It seems that these people have on blinders and can only focus on one side of an issue.

They are the promoted of the tea partyers, birthers, the 10thers, and all these other crazy groups whose sole purpose is to destory the Obama administration.

I support the White House in their effort to expose Fox News cable program as not a news station. Hopefully, the naive people listening to the station will come to realize it sooner rather than later.

Fox News cable program need to stand up and admit what they are not - NEWS STATION!

Where is the FCC when you need them?

Posted by: sun52shine | October 20, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Well, it should be no surprise that the administration is acting this way with press agencies it disagrees with. The same pattern was seen during the presidenticla campaign when Washington Times reporters were denied seats on candidate Obama's plane.

By the way what about NPS's coverage of news. Anyone really think that is neutral?

Posted by: dppu | October 20, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

No, Obama can never obtain victory in a fight with Fox. Thats becaue he is fighting truth and justice. Truth will always win. Honesty, self-respect, self-reliance, respect for individual liberty - these are the corner stones that Fox and the American people stand for. Despotism, even if disguised, has no chance to prevail.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

It is high time that this on going charade that dignifies Fox as a legitimate news agency instead of the highly partisan arm of the Republican Party that it truly is, be called off.

Showing respect to Fox as a real news outlet forces the public and other news outlets to sign on to their agenda and seriously contemplate Fox's targeted phantom issues against Obama and anything orf anyone Fox deams "liberal" (always used as a perjorative).

The news media has been jerked around by Fox wingnuts far too long. We need to demand that the news be as objective and respectful of facts as is humanly possible, instead of this wink and a nod pandering to all the news the extremist wing people want to believe whether true or not.

Posted by: maddymappo | October 20, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

BTW Ms. Marcus:

If it helps FOX, then why are they whining?

Where were you when Bush/Cheney chose only to speak in front of the certified party faithful when campaigning for election and then re-election, instead of opening up their appearances to all citizens?

Where have you been over the years when FOX News uses its graphics to label Republican officeholders as Democrats when they caught with their zippers down or their views aren't in line with FOX's rightwing ideology , i.e., Craig, Vitters, Ensign, Snowe? They know the sound is down in banks, hotels and bars, why haven't you noticed?

Maybe it is because the Washington Post bends over for the right, too?

Posted by: wayoffbaseguy | October 20, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

You've got it backwards, Samson151! It's common knowledge that Fox News was created in response to liberal media bias, mainly on network news channels, NBC, CBS, and ABC, who've all been around since Moses was a baby!

ALSO: CNN's been in existence since 1980, and MSNBC was launched on July 15, 1996.

Fox News was not launched until October 7, 1996.

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No, I don't think it makes the White House look weak at all. FoxNews is about as fair and balanced as, oh, Pravda. They're Karl Rove's house organ. Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow exist in large part because FoxNews exists -- if Fox closed down tomorrow, Keith and Rachel would soon follow, because there wouldn't be a need.

If you were a real journalist, Ruth, you'd be doing a column about the problem -- a propaganda outlet masquerading as a news channel.

Then maybe the White House could stay out of it.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 20, 2009 11:42 AM

Posted by: lxhobson | October 20, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Ruth. Have you ever watched Fox News? Have you never read anything about their coverage?

Please tell us where the White House's interpretation of Fox News is incorrect? You can't. It is correct. That being the case here you write a column decrying that someone pointed out the truth.

They pay you for this gig?

Posted by: kindness1 | October 20, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

As an Obama supporter, I am dismayed by this as well. I completely agree with this post. It gives Fox News a legitimacy they don't deserve. It makes the White House look small and petty.

Posted by: tedh1251 | October 20, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse


Tuesday, October 20, 2009


The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 28% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -12. The Approval Index rating has been lower only on two days since the current President took office

Posted by: FraudObama | October 20, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

dhampton100 says:

"He should not allow them to keep spewing lies about him all over the airwaves without challenging them to stop."

Just reread that sentence everyone.

Why is it that Obama seems to attract people who want to muzzle opponents and squash debate? They want to shutdown opposite view points and engage in name calling.

And why does Obama attract people who admire Mao, Chavez, Castro, etc....leaders who have either butchered & killed their citizenry or who have taken away their citizens God given freedoms?

Posted by: sheryl7962 | October 20, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Obama is the general the leads the forces of tyranny and Fox is the search light shining on his dark goals.

The Left wants the state to take care of him. He is not free until the state has taken his freedom. The Right wants to take care of himself. He wants to retain his freedom. Given that the desires of the two are utterly incompatible, they are locked in a civil war; the hot battle is federal takeover of healthcare.

The looming issue of demarcation is the US Constitution. It guarantees individual liberty and prohibits an all powerful state. This is the context that required the president to claim the Constitution is a flawed document of negative rights.


Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I'd be worried about your fact-free "discussion" of this subject, if it wasn't patently obvious from reading it that you did indeed pass the IQ test low enough to be an employee of the Washington Pest.

If you gaggle of fools and morons in the Pest editorial room had been there 35 years ago, Nixon would be President-in-Perpetuity.

I'll say no more, you're being whacked hard enough by all the fact-checkers, and I was taught you shouldn't kick a girl when she's been knocked down.

Posted by: tcinla | October 20, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Ruth Marcus is a special kind of idiot.

Posted by: jlelijah | October 20, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Fox news is a joke. Its commercial supported hate. I'm proud of you Mr. President. You don't have to sit down with them and I hope you never do because they want to attack you.

A post said - People would have never found out Accorn was corrupt that's bull, they set it up just for that. I saw so called corruption in the few folk that they setup at Acorn it did not reflect the mission of the organization, so get over it. I was offended you would send a so called pimp and his bottom b in there, come on grow up. Ya'll are sick.

Stay away from Fox, let them have their mess. If you look at them as credible then enjoy. But our President and His administration do not have too and we support you on that.

Posted by: love2much SE | October 20, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I'm just curious.... Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously when you make such ridiculously outrageous comments?

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Fox is nothing but a lying White Supremacist mouthpiece for the former republican party, now a hateful gang that hate minorities, immigrants, gays, health care, science, etc. etc. etc.

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Posted by: lxhobson | October 20, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

"Why is it that Obama seems to attract people who want to muzzle opponents and squash debate? They want to shutdown opposite view points and engage in name calling.'

First, Obama himself cannot abide anyone who fails to view him as the deliverer.

For these folks, freedom of speech takes second shift to the success of totalitarian ideology.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

To any Fox hater I ask this question: Why is Chairman Mao Tse Tung an outstanding philosophical role model?

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

You whining right wingers can dish it out but you can't take it.

You'd call Obama names if he walked on water. Nothing is good enough for you.

Why this man continues to reach out his hand and have it bitten mystifies me.

Posted by: trippin | October 20, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Clearly the author of this article has missed several memos.

First the empty suit's anit-fox strategy has been thought up and approved by Roy Cohn...uh, I mean Rahm Emmanuel. we all know how smart he is.

It was also approved by Axlerod who took time off from shaking down contractors, job seekers and contributors long enough to give it the nod. This time represents no small sacrifice for him since he lost millions on the Olynpics fiasco.

Finally the author must be made to realize that such articles may jeopardize the WP's bailout that Roy...er, Rahm has to approve to save"Journalism." After all the WP is standing in line with its hand out behind NBC, CNN, CBS and ABC. If you want to save "Journalism" you had better toe the approved line.

Posted by: JoeDBrown | October 20, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that you don't hear of anyone on the right wanting to shut down media outlets, but all the lefties want to kill Fox? For too long, the left has owned the media, hollywood, and the universities. Finally an opposing point of view emerges and the left wants to kill it.

I ask the left - who is the one acting like a fascist?

Posted by: sold2u | October 20, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I find it refreshing that the White House is telling it like it is and saying that Fox News is an arm of the GOP. I suspect that followers of Faux News find it conversely aggravating. This White House/Fox debate won't change public opinion appreciably one way or the other.

Posted by: Ceeee | October 20, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Fox News are liars.....why wouldn't the administration oppose these liars in support of the truth....the only "dumb" thing here is Ruth's analysis....think of it in terms of the famous I'll ignore injustices logic "and then they came for me"...clearly Ruth's politics are showing...let Fox come for her.....

Posted by: josephfranklyn | October 20, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Fox News and every freedom loving American agrees with the following sage advice given by George Gilder:

The central issue in international and national politics today is between the rule of law that is the frame upon which the US constitution is built and the rule of leveler egalitarianism, between creative excellence and covetous “fairness”, between admiration of achievement versus envy and resentment of it.

The historic United States defines the line of demarcation. On own side, marshaled at the United Nations, at the Norwegian Nobel Committee meeting room, in Hollywood, and in universities in the US and around the world, are those who see capitalism as a zero-sum game in which success comes at the expense of the poor and the environment: every gain for one party comes at the cost of another. On the other side are those who see the genius and the good fortune of some as a source of wealth opportunity for all.

The test of which side you are on is this: What is your attitude toward people who excel you in the creation of wealth or in other accomplishments? Do you aspire to their excellence, or do you seethe at it? Do you admire and celebrate exceptional achievement, or do you impugn it and seek to tear it down? Are you an admirer or an envier?

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

While he is at it, Obama will also have to take on the Wall Street Journal, London Times, Financial Times, etc., etc., etc.

Fox News has long had more viewers than all the other cable news networks, and no one watches network news anymore. More liberals and Democrats watch Fox News than any other station. Moreover, since the election, the Fox News audience has been growing even further.

I've watched Fox News for years, and I love it, and I'm among America's best and brightest—like all Fox viewers.

Every time, Obama opens his smirking mouth, more people turn on Fox News. By the time Obama gets done attacking Fox News, everyone will be tuning in to "Fair and Balanced" reporting.

Posted by: Jerzy | October 20, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Well...we have MSNBC, and CNN quoting comments that "Rush" never made, and refusing to retract them.

FOX News has 46% of its' viewership listed as Democrats and Independents. THAT is almost half.

Unlike CNN, MSNBC, CBS, Beck plays clips that are right out of the Horse's mouths that utter them...he doesn't have to make up quotes to grab headlines.

As a Democrat, I used to watch CNN...exclusively. Until I saw the slanted coverage. THAT was a turn off. The only way I can get the truth is to watch FOX, then watch Commentators, and then make up my own mind.

Unlike some of my fellow Democrats, I am willing to ask difficult questions.

Why are there so many Czars?
Why shut down auto dealerships and just give their book of business to other dealerships?
Why did Reid say the Health Care bill will cost 2 Trillion when Obama says it won't add a dime to the deficit?
Why do they plan another "stimulus" when $400 Billion of the last one hasn't been spent?
Is Obama going to sign the Cap and Trade in Denmark in December? Will he really give up the United States to a World Panel?
The Health Care: Did you know it will cost families earning $66K 7%?
Did you know even poverty level $22K a year will be paying $750 a year for it?
Where will the 80% of fossil fuel come from if Cap and Trade passes?
Why did Obama spend 2 Billion in Brazil to develop oil instead of developing oil here in the US?

Just a few unanswered questions from MSM.

Posted by: Belle6 | October 20, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

A lot of rightwingers here think Obama is somehow trying to shut down FOX News, just as they mistakingly thin he's trying to take away their guns. Such an easily panicked group, no wonder they so easily swayed by fear-mongering.

They decry "big nanny" government, but love the "big daddy" government that tells them, "I know best, do what I say and don't ask questions."

Posted by: wayoffbaseguy | October 20, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"To any Fox hater I ask this question: Why is Chairman Mao Tse Tung an outstanding philosophical role model?"

Gee, I don't know! Why is the Moonie cult your ideological touchstone at the Washington Times? Planning a mass marriage of a few thousand brainwashed cultists? Just make sure no gay folks sneak in, will ya?

Even more apropos: why do you right wingers hate America so much?

We tried it your way since that imbecile Reagan stated dismantling the middle class. You lost the election BIG TIME. Now, you're gonna try it OUR WAY.

Don't like it? As a wise man once said, "Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya." Perhaps you and your role model Cobblepot Cheney can invade a banana republic where you can subject yourself to the authoritarian patriarchal bootheel you long for.

Posted by: trippin | October 20, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

The White House's attack on Fox News, along with its thinly veiled treat to attack other news sources if they don't toe the Obama line, is a blatant, and unconstitutional, attack on the "Freedom of The Press".

It doesn't matter if you are liberal or conservative, this attack should be chilling, and frightening. It surprises me that every news service in America is not all over this, because ultimately it imperials their survival and the freedom of the entire nation.

Posted by: mike85 | October 20, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

FOX is not a news organization and no one should be led to believe that it is..it is an organization that is a political arm to the Republican Party.

I never watch FOX and whatever their people have to say, I take it with a grain of salt because they have no credibility whatsoever.

Posted by: goodcake4u | October 20, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

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Heres the thing:

While Glenn Beck seems to be a bomb thrower to the Liberals, all he does is ask some interesting and important questions.
The questions are NOT frivolous and yet NO ONE from the administration (or other "news" organizations) even attemps to answer them.

If Beck's assumptions are correct and unanswered, then America better open its eyes wide.
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Posted by: CyKick | October 20, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

["Imagine the outcry if the Bush administration had pulled a similar hissy fit with MSNBC."]

Yes, Marcus, just "imagine" what would have happened if Bush had gone after MSNBC, **WHICH HE DID IN MAY OF 2008**. Oddly, neither you nor any of your "journalist" fellows had any problem whatsoever with Bush's press secretary trashing the NBC news family from behind the White House podium.

Gosh, "imagine" that.

Now let's imagine something different. Imagine that *you* had any integrity and stopped treating a democrat much harsher than you treated his republican predecessor.

Posted by: edta | October 20, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

An example of where Fox has it right and Obama has it wrong is this: Cash given to one must be taken from another. Every redistribution program inherently requires servitude.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

["all he does is ask some interesting and important questions."]

Oh sure, important questions. Like the Strangelovian wondering if Obama is going to corrupt our Precious Bodily Fluids with the swine flu vaccine.

Beck is a loonie. And so is anyone who believes his stupidity.

Posted by: edta | October 20, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Why is it no one has ever answered a Beck question, and he spends about 50 minutes every day asking questions?

Here is a challenge: Name a falsehood Fox ever made.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Ruth said: "Where the White House has gone way overboard is in its decision to treat Fox as an outright enemy and to go public with the assault."

Assault? It is Fox News that is on the assault. Fox News is a propaganda machine for Rupert Murdoch and the Republican party. It should be forced to declare itself so in a running banner at the bottom of the screen every second it is on the air.

Come on, Ruth, report the facts, don't attempt to be "balanced" when Faux News is never balanced nor fair and disguises opinion as news 24x7 every day. If MSNBC seems to tilt more towards the "liberal" point of view, it is only in response to the absolutely crazed and vitrolific attacks on Obama and the right-wing assaults on our freedom and democracy. Thanks to Faux News and other right-wing media outlets, we have wild-eyed pistol wavers running around in public threatening the President, his family, and anyone esposing liberal views.

Posted by: Chagasman | October 20, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Well...we have MSNBC, and CNN quoting comments that "Rush" never made, and refusing to retract them.

FOX News has 46% of its' viewership listed as Democrats and Independents. THAT is almost half.

Unlike CNN, MSNBC, CBS, Beck plays clips that are right out of the Horse's mouths that utter them...he doesn't have to make up quotes to grab headlines.

As a Democrat, I used to watch CNN...exclusively. Until I saw the slanted coverage. THAT was a turn off. The only way I can get the truth is to watch FOX, then watch Commentators, and then make up my own mind.

Unlike some of my fellow Democrats, I am willing to ask difficult questions.

Why are there so many Czars?
Why shut down auto dealerships and just give their book of business to other dealerships?
Why did Reid say the Health Care bill will cost 2 Trillion when Obama says it won't add a dime to the deficit?
Why do they plan another "stimulus" when $400 Billion of the last one hasn't been spent?
Is Obama going to sign the Cap and Trade in Denmark in December? Will he really give up the United States to a World Panel?
The Health Care: Did you know it will cost families earning $66K 7%?
Did you know even poverty level $22K a year will be paying $750 a year for it?
Where will the 80% of fossil fuel come from if Cap and Trade passes?
Why did Obama spend 2 Billion in Brazil to develop oil instead of developing oil here in the US?

Just a few unanswered questions from MSM.
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The Pew Research Organization lists Fox News as the most honest, and least biased of the major news organizations. It also shows MSNBC to be the least honest and most biased.

It makes you wonder why a President like Obama, who claims to be open and honest, praises MSNBC and attacks Fox.

Posted by: mike85 | October 20, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Right on!

Fox News is getting more ratings and the current administration is looking more and more like the past administration.

Change is coming, he told us. Well, when will you stop acting like a child Mr President?

Posted by: trumeau | October 20, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Fox is nothing more than a propaganda arm of the Republican Party -- a fact that everybody but Ms. Marcus is aware of.

What would be "dumb" is engaging it in any way.

I'm mystified that the Post would run garbage like this ill-informed column.

Posted by: edgy2 | October 20, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"Oh sure, important questions. Like the Strangelovian wondering if Obama is going to corrupt our Precious Bodily Fluids with the swine flu vaccine."
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Maybe this is the best the Fox haters can do. Beck made it clear he would not recommend taking or not taking the S1N1 vaccine. And he refused to answer when OReilly asked him if he took it>

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

FOX News has 46% of its' viewership listed as Democrats and Independents. THAT is almost half.
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46% of Fox's viewership identify as "Democrats"????

It may not be a scientific measure, but I can safely say that's 100 percent pure b.s.

Fox consistently registers as the most partisan audience make up in the business.

I seem to recall a report last year that had almost 90 percent of Fox News viewers voting for McCain compared to a 65-35 Obama split on CNN.

http://people-press.org/report/215/news-audiences-increasingly-politicized

As far as the "difficult questions" that Fox is answering; the questions wouldn't be so "difficult" if Fox actually reported facts in context. So we can get them reporting about "Czars" as if these are some kind of insidious new phenomenon. Fox DOESN'T report that many of these positions are simply advisory; it DOESN'T report that many of these positions are created by a Congressional Act and require Senate confirmation; it DOESN'T report the fact that the term "Czar" is used ironically as a kind of joke, because many of these positions in fact have no power. It DOESN'T provide any kind of historical context.

The kind of "difficult questions" that bothers typical Fox News viewers are about FEMA "concentration camps"; presidential birth certificates; and all other kinds of manufactured b.s.

The good news for America is that the GOP's PR firm is marginalizing the GOP.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Bush refused to speak at the NAACP convention. Did you comment on that?

Posted by: browneri | October 20, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Aren't some of these people in the Whitehouse the same people who (unsuccessfully)tried to shut down a Chicago radio station in August 2008 because a guest who was not in favour of then Senator Obama was going to be on for 2 hours.

Posted by: lynneburke | October 20, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

The Pew Research Organization lists Fox News as the most honest, and least biased of the major news organizations. It also shows MSNBC to be the least honest and most biased.

It makes you wonder why a President like Obama, who claims to be open and honest, praises MSNBC and attacks Fox.

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This is patently false. The Pew data only measures public attitudes and perceptions; not the actual accuracy of the reporting.

http://people-press.org/report/543/

Another view could simply be that a poorly informed audience that relies primarily on one news source, or an echo chamber, will be unlikely to identify biased reporting within that echo chamber.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Fox news as well as Fox commentary does report on the growing federal debt.

The Federal deficit this year was $1.42 trillion, or 10 percent of gdp. With just 20 percent or so of the $3.1 trillion bailout and stimulus money spent, the deficit portends to be much bigger. The Federal debt is close to $12 trillion. No doubt the deficit is growing rapidly partly because revenues are down and partly because government is spending unprecedentedly. At this rate of spending US debt will be double gdp in just 10 years. And this presumes gdp will not contract and that federal spending will not accelerate. With a massive healthcare plan in the works, cap and trade, and continuing war in Afghanistan, addiction by both political parties to earmarks, it seems the US path to crushing and unrecoverable debt is likely to steepen.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who are apparently ignorant, FOX news does provide late breaking news. They are also have opinion pieces just like the others do. So if you want to continue to bring a knife to a gun fight, understand that you will lose.

Posted by: candyzky | October 20, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Amazing. The Democrats control the House, the Senate and the White House. They have a largely sympathetic press who agree with their policies 90% of the time. Yet, they pick on one of the handful of voices of dissent in the country. No wonder Obama sees the potential to find common ground with Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il or the Castro brothers. He's just like them.

And geez what a total creep Dunn is (the WH Comm Dir). Her hero Mao. No joke. Remember the bad old days when dissent was the highest for of patriotism? Nixon made a list and called the press "nattering nabobbs of negatism". Scary stuff. The Obamanistas are out and out on the attack. What creeps they are. I can only hope the country wakes up in time to throw them out before it's too late.

Posted by: maxtel1910 | October 20, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Is FOX News biased?

Yes. Terribly. But so are MSNBC, CNN, the NY Times and just about every other media outlet.

Do not fool yourselves: we are living in a new age of Yellow Journalism. They are ALL pushing an agenda.

This need not be a bad thing if we would just recognize it and take every report and bit of news with a little healthy skepticism and if we do are own research and at least try to make sure our facts are straight instead of parroting talking-points.

It WILL be a disaster as long as we keep swallowing uncritically the nonsense constantly spewed by both sides and ignoring any fact that might embarrass our 'side' or discredit our preconceived notions.

An open mind is a civic duty.

Posted by: andrew23boyle | October 20, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I think Saint O's attacks on FOX says even more about those he snuggles up with. If all he can say is FOX is so bad does it mean in turn that CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC are in the tank for him? I think he pretty much is proving the poing that most all Americans think now. The MSM has gone left and now Saint O confirms it. Thanks Barry.

Posted by: KABOOKEY | October 20, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Fox News aka, The Jesus Channel/ GOP TV/ The Glorious Official Republican Government News Network.

While Fox News has the highest ratings, it’s also the same group of people that make up just 20% of America’s electorate… the far right-wing of the GOP.

There will always be an audience for the far right and that’s Rupert Murdock’s Fox News demographic.

Rupert keeps them frothing at the mouth with manufactured fear and GOP talking-points, phony outrage.

Fox is also a right-wing echo chamber.. notice that when “The Wall Street Journal”, “The Weekly Standard” people are on Fox News there’s never disclosure that these people are all Rupert Murdock employees.

Imagine if MSNBC or CNN did this… I don’t know how Fox News gets way with constantly recycling Rupert Murdock’s employees (sockpuppets) from his various media properties.

There’s hardly a word on the “MSM” about Murdock’s world wide (far right-wing) media empire.

Murdock has a lot of influence, example: all of his various sockpuppets, Hannity, Beck, etc, and all of Murdock’s worldwide media holdings trash global warming, President Obama and anything else right-wing Rupert Murdock dislikes.

I think that press and especially individual journalists are deathly afraid of Rupert Murdock and what he can do to them professionally.

Rupert Murdock is the new William Randolph Hearst.

Another thing, Sarah Palin, who is a favorite among the Faux News/ Right-wing crowd is getting Rupert Murdock’s wingnut welfare.

Palin’s (Rupert Murdock’s ghostwriter) book publisher is HarperCollins… a wholly owned Rupert Murdock subsidiary, you ‘betcha.


Also, there should be an award given to the guy that writes the ominous, scary music for Fox News... he's obviously a full-time employee.

No seriously... whenever there's a special where Rupert Murdock wants to convince Americans that Saddam Hussein has WMD, or that Iran/North Korea is going to attack America tomorrow, or a Hannity or Beck segment where they want to scare their right-wing audience (even more) there's always that ominous music to go along with the story.

It's like a scary GOP music video.

Posted by: republican_disaster | October 20, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

The writers of our constitution envisioned freedom of the *press*, not freedom of the news. At the time, that might have meant something crude like being able to write vulgar poems about the king without being thrown in prison.

Those of you who believe there is any "true" standard for news are utterly delusional. Seriously, just shut up. There are data and there are opinions. It takes only a few minutes per day to get all the new data and facts. The rest of the time one spends is spent simply indulging in opinions.

To those of you who would quash opposing opinions, I say stop being such a bunch of sissies, if that is possible. This is the habit of cowards who can't manage to speak with any authority. (The Obamanations have been calling out "meanies" since the Democratic nomination campaign. It looks idiotic now!)

Posted by: Wallenstein | October 20, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who are apparently ignorant, FOX news does provide late breaking news. They are also have opinion pieces just like the others do. So if you want to continue to bring a knife to a gun fight, understand that you will lose.

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It is also true that many Americans are unable to differentiate between public relations, advertising, and journalism.

It is also true that because Fox calls itself "news" some will believe it; it is also true that because Fox calls itself "fair and balanced" some will believe it.

As Lincoln said, "you can fool some of the people all the time". Those people tend to make up a large share of the Fox news demo.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Don't give in to fear and hate ...

Just turn of Fox and cancel the WSJ subscription.

I have and I did.


Posted by: tphishs | October 20, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Did you mention he first did speak to them in 2000 but then they ran an ad saying he was reponsible for the killing of a black person by a white person in Texas because he did not believe in hate crimes. He believe all crime was hate, in fact now that they added to the hate crime laws the only people that are not protected under hate crimes are white straight males.

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Bush refused to speak at the NAACP convention. Did you comment on that?

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Posted by: KABOOKEY | October 20, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Focus on Fox distracts from focus on problems in the White House.

On October 15 Obama spoke at a San Francisco fund raiser. His demeanor was aggressive and arrogance. When you put it together – his plans to cancel freedom along with aggressive arrogance, caused him to sound uncomfortably like a dictator. Does anybody doubt that he would cancel suffrage if the appropriate crisis could be manufactured? A weak and inexperienced but energetic and determined president pushing Marxism at home and disengagement foreign policy abroad is a dangerous president.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

The Founders codified freedom of speech.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

rodhug,

Are your brownshirts pressed yet?

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Rodhug's morning motto: "Heil Hannity!"

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"Imagine the outcry if the Bush administration had pulled a similar hissy fit with MSNBC."

We don't have to imagine, we saw it and read it. Any writer with semi-passable skills in research would have found the references you've missed, Ms. Marcus. Some sound journalism would be nice, but then this is what the problem is, opinion trying to take the place of news.

Posted by: lycg | October 20, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama wants a civilian force equal in number and funding to the US military. Does that give any Fox hater pause?

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama is failing.

Congress if failing.

The Democrats/Liberals are swimming in the sewers.

Hence, the childish attacks.

And, they need media cover (from the cowards at CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS) as they try to force corrupt and lethal legislature down American's throats.

It's that simple.

Posted by: notbuyingit | October 20, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

The White House is telling it like it is and the rest of the media should have the honesty and the courage to acknowledge the blantantly obvious.

Fox is a disgrace to journalism and to America. They should be completely de-legitimized and denounced by respectable journalism. Fox is nothing more than an attack machine for the Right, day after day, night after night. Not only is Fox utterly biased and unfair, they consciously broadcast false and misleading information. Anyone that denies this is either drinking Murdock's coolaide or is lieing.

Shun Fox. Ignore them. Confine the slimballs to their own little seedy echo chamber.

Posted by: Richard18 | October 20, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I am one of those indepenents who watch Fox frequently. I think they are very entertaining but it is clear that their agenda is to carry water for the Republican Party. They frequently say they are the conservative alternative to the main stream media. I think it is perfectly legit for the white house to state their opinion about Fox. It seems to me Fox is warring with the white because the white house is ignoring them.When I want political news I don't go to Fox. I go to either CSPAN or CNN.

Posted by: TOCB | October 20, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama announced that in five more days we would fundamentally transform the USA. Does that give anyone pause?

The dictionary definition of fundamentally is: Having to do with the foundation, elemental, basic; Having to do with the origin, generative, basic;

The dictionary definition of transform is: To change markedly the form or appearance of; to change the nature, function, or condition of; to convert.

So what is Obama saying when he says he will fundamentally transform the United States of America?

That he spelled out and emphasized the “United States of America” could be understood as emphasis his target was the big hegemon of the world, and subduing it would be a great achievement.
Given the dictionary definitions of these words, if taken literally on the presumption Obama knows the meaning of words; we could restate his declaration is several corresponding ways. A few are:

In just five more days we ( I ) will replace the foundation of the United States of America with a markedly different one.

In just five more days I will change the United States in a generative way such that she will not look anything remotely like the old one.

In just five more days I intend to reform this country in an elemental and basic way and convert her to a new and different functioning system

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Fox News is a malignant and fundamentally unamerican organization run by a foreign national and Nixon's ex-hatchet man. It resembles the mafia more than a legitimate news organization.

Posted by: snrub | October 20, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Fewer than 2.5 million viewers watch Fox News during prime time, and fewer than 1.3 million throughout the day. That's just over one half of one percent of the country's adult population during the day, and just over one percent during prime time. Why anyone believes Fox, or any other cable channel influences politics is amazing. People tend to watch what confirms their opinions, which means that no one is looking for objectivity in any cable "news" programming.

This is just another example of Barack Obama's preference to talk instead of act.

Posted by: infuse | October 20, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, did we expect more from the failed community organizer. Obama is like many elitists who can't handle criticism. And it looks like he can't handle decisions in regards to our military and the Afghanistan war. Being president is alot harder than giving a speech, eh Obama?

Posted by: cschotta1 | October 20, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I think what has the White House so upset is not merely revelations of corruption, but the fact that Fox is watched by more people, including democrats and independents, than all of the other cable and dish networks combined.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

The White House is telling it like it is and the rest of the media should have the honesty and the courage to acknowledge the blantantly obvious.

Fox is a disgrace to journalism and to America. They should be completely de-legitimized and denounced by respectable journalism. Fox is nothing more than an attack machine for the Right, day after day, night after night. Not only is Fox utterly biased and unfair, they consciously broadcast false and misleading information. Anyone that denies this is either drinking Murdock's coolaide or is lieing.

Shun Fox. Ignore them. Confine the slimballs to their own little seedy echo chamber.

Posted by: Richard18 | October 20, 2009 12:39 PM
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Typical argument from the Left. Lots of name calling and no facts.

Posted by: harryvederchi | October 20, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Well...we have MSNBC, and CNN quoting comments that "Rush" never made, and refusing to retract them.

FOX News has 46% of its' viewership listed as Democrats and Independents. THAT is almost half.

Unlike CNN, MSNBC, CBS, Beck plays clips that are right out of the Horse's mouths that utter them...he doesn't have to make up quotes to grab headlines.

As a Democrat, I used to watch CNN...exclusively. Until I saw the slanted coverage. THAT was a turn off. The only way I can get the truth is to watch FOX, then watch Commentators, and then make up my own mind.

Unlike some of my fellow Democrats, I am willing to ask difficult questions.

Why are there so many Czars?
Why shut down auto dealerships and just give their book of business to other dealerships?
Why did Reid say the Health Care bill will cost 2 Trillion when Obama says it won't add a dime to the deficit?
Why do they plan another "stimulus" when $400 Billion of the last one hasn't been spent?
Is Obama going to sign the Cap and Trade in Denmark in December? Will he really give up the United States to a World Panel?
The Health Care: Did you know it will cost families earning $66K 7%?
Did you know even poverty level $22K a year will be paying $750 a year for it?
Where will the 80% of fossil fuel come from if Cap and Trade passes?
Why did Obama spend 2 Billion in Brazil to develop oil instead of developing oil here in the US?

Just a few unanswered questions from MSM.
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The Pew Research Organization lists Fox News as the most honest, and least biased of the major news organizations. It also shows MSNBC to be the least honest and most biased.

It makes you wonder why a President like Obama, who claims to be open and honest, praises MSNBC and attacks Fox.

Posted by: mike85 | October 20, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

We have learned that Obama has a thin skin. Perhaps his skin would be thicker if he had a plan for improving the US economy and were busy on it. Instead he is still in campaign mode operating under the dilusion he is a celestial figure. America would prefer a pragmatic work horse.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

The democrats own the white house, the house, the senate, the mainstream media, hollywood, the publicly funded media, and academia.

There is only one outlet willing to be skeptical of the Obama administration. Fox serves an incredibly important national function.

If Fox didn't exist, who would take up the mantle to publish stories that reflect poorly on the administration or democrats? That's right - no one.

Posted by: sold2u | October 20, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Let's remember it's not Obama making the actual comments or engaging in the battle with Fox. I agree, the Administration needs to back off but Obama also needs to give his people some independence of movement as well--it's a fine line--maybe a polite reminder to "let it go" will be enough to get staff in line.

Posted by: dhenken1 | October 20, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

The Pew Research Organization lists Fox News as the most honest, and least biased of the major news organizations. It also shows MSNBC to be the least honest and most biased.

It makes you wonder why a President like Obama, who claims to be open and honest, praises MSNBC and attacks Fox.

Posted by: mike85

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Once again, the Pew Center data demonstrates that your claim is a lie.

Saying a lie again and again may make you believe the lie to be true, but the data does not lie.

Public perception is not a measure of accuracy; it is a measure of public perception.

http://people-press.org/report/543/

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama should tell his staff to "let it go". It's not him waging the battle, it's his frustrated staff who see Fox as a daily irritant.

Posted by: dhenken1 | October 20, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Fox is biased just like Michael Moore is biased. Both are extreme in their viewpoint. The MSNBC commentators are liberal, that's a fact, but the station's news coverage is not. That is what differentiates the MSNBC network from the FOX network.

An example of FOX News biased news coverage. FOX spent close to 100 total hours all week hyping the Tea Baggers march on Washington. All FOX News shows covered the event non-stop. Heck, there's a great video on YouTube of a Fox News Producer rallying the crowd (trying to make the news instead of report it).

A month later just as many people march on Washington for the Gay Rights March. How much coverage did FOX News give that liberal march, which had just as many people as the TeaBaggers? 3 minutes total, as in 3 Minutes TOTAL!!! That's shows how biased FOX News coverage is. There's no denying it.

Posted by: RealityBites1 | October 20, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Awesome! I just love when the so called free speech loving liberals start complaining about anyone who speaks an opinion that counters their own. Well, not exactly their own, but whatever opinion is given to them by their annointed Liberal leaders. So I laugh at the comments where these people accuse Fox News or anyone else of spreading propaganda! Yes, please encourage the White House to keep up their rediculous and unpresidential behaviour. It is only when stupid administration officials like Dunn come out of the commune to speak that you begin to learn more about them and what type of Mao worshipping idiots the President surrounds himself with. I'll enjoy watching as the lemmings ride the bomb down like Slim Pickens.

Posted by: AfghanVeteran | October 20, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

If this administration can't handle FoxNews, how in the world is it going to handle Russia, Afghanistan, China, Iran or Venezuela?

Posted by: cschotta1 | October 20, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Despite tumultuous events abroad, the public's news habits have been relatively stable over the past two years. Yet modest growth has continued in two important areas online news and cable news. Regarding the latter, the expanding audience for the Fox News Channel stands out. Since 2000, the number of Americans who regularly watch Fox News has increased by nearly half from 17% to 25% while audiences for other cable outlets have been flat at best.

Of the 25 percent who watch Fox News, 35 percent are Republicans, 21 percent are Democrats, and 22 percent are Independents.

http://people-press.org/report/215/news-audiences-increasingly-politicized

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Ruth, I'm sorry but you are wrong. It's perfectly legitimate for President Obama and the Democrats to point out the simple truth. Fox News is a 24-7 conservative republican political operation masquerading as a 'fair and balanced' news operation.

It's not an attack on Fox; it's simply pointing out a fact.

It's a collection of people reporting from all sides; the Right, the Right, the Right and the folks from the Right pretending to be from the Left like Juan Williams.

Of everyone I've watched only Shepard Smith occasionally deviates from the company line and commits the sin of actual journalism.

The White House isn't attacking Fox; they are only pointing out the obvious.

And while we talking about the media, the issue of journalistic bias and accuracy in reporting is one that the exceedingly Right-wing leaning WaPo needs to examine in relation to it's own publication.

Posted by: cfeher | October 20, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Fox News Channel is an entertainment channel. Roger Ailes knows that. Murdoch knows that. Apparently no one told Ruth Marcus.

Posted by: david6 | October 20, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Marcus has a point; This is actually a job for our newest Senator from Minnesota, Al Franken.
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Or, rather it's a job he's already done - albeit having understated the actual case*
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It's time for a daily "designated reader" from the Obama administration (or MSNBC) to share selections from Al's delightful and on-target tome: --------
* "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right"
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Only in an Orwellian universe does Fox qualify as a purveyor of "news"!
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BTW - it's invariably a shame not to fully quote (and attribute) Lane Kirkland's original witticism:
----- " My pappy told me never to bet my bladder against a brewery or get into an argument with people who buy ink by the barrel."

Posted by: jerswing | October 20, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

It took all of 30 seconds to find this:

The Pew (PEJ) report for the 2008 election cycle is out.

Among the findings?

FOXNEWS provided the most balanced cable coverage of the 2008 presidential election among major news outlets (CNN, MSNBC, FOXNEWS) and likely the most balanced of all six outlets (NBC, CBS, ABC included), although they oddly didnt release the latter three network's numbers. Keep in mind, while Pew bills itself as Independent, it certainly leans to the left, which is probably why they didnt release all the numbers. God forbid they stated FoxNews was the most fair of any television network, as it's doubtful any network bested the Fox numbers below since the Fox positive/negative are almost a perfect match. Interestingly, while they released the numbers for MSNBC and FOX, they didnt release individual CNN numbers, choosing to say it closely reflected the "Total Coverage" numbers below, putting it somewhere between MSNBC and FOX.

The Best (least biased) and the Worst (most biased) news coverage?

BEST (FOXNEWS)
Positive Obama Stories 25%
Positive McCain Stories 22%
Negative Obama Stories 40%
Negative McCain Stories 40%

WORST (MSDNC)
Positive Obama Stories 73%
Positive McCain Stories 10%
Negative Obama Stories 14%
Negative McCain Stories 43%

TOTAL COVERAGE (all media added together - 2,412 stories from 48 outlets)
Positive Obama Stories 36%
Positive McCain Stories 14%
Negative Obama Stories 29%
Negative McCain Stories 57%

http://www.yelp.com/topic/new-york-foxnews-is-the-most-balanced-election-coverage---pew-research-centers-project-for-excellence-in-journalism-2008

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I do not agree with this OpEd on the following grounds:

1. FauxNews (FalseNews for you non-French speakers) swamp is the voice of the coalition of birthers, deathers, teabaggers, radical right wing "christians", secessionist, I want my country back ultra racists, healthcare anti-reformist,etc., are all the same core group of poor, semi-illiterate, semi-informed ultra-conservative pawns tricked by the corporate masters and cheerleadered by AM conservative talk radio to get these people to believe and vote against their own self interest.

2. FauxNews is the propaganda organ/wing of the neo-con, neo-nazi, neo-facist white supremacist Grand nO Party.

3. FauxNews spews LIES 24/7 against the United States of America. The future of this nation depends on true patriots, not those fake teabagging tools and townhallers who were used against their own interests during this summer, to get on the ball and be vigilant against these idiots.

4. FauxNews supports acts of sedition against the United States of America. They're against the freedom of the press unless it's for them.

4. FauxNews is now masquerading as the de facto leadership of the Grand nO Party. The current cowed leadership is afraid to utter anything against the coalition of fauxnews screamers, teabaggers, and townhallers, and gun crazed tools of the right wing.

5. FauxNews is in the tank for the military-industrial complex to roll along unabated for so long. The very thing president Dwight Eisenhower,a Republican, warned against.

I could list more, but I will reserve some for later. Those rethug LIARS need to change the channel or use their little brains before they can say anything. I'm glad that the White House has called out faux news. They are not a news organization! There is nothing more to say.

Posted by: numbers28 | October 20, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

someone once said to me, "to avoid criticism, do nothing; be nothing."

In your critique of President Obama, isn't it notable that first, the "Nixonian" view is a smear against someone in some cases, and a comlpiment in others, and to others.

I believe this white house leadership has done more since taking office than ANY president in recent history.

But I suppose you have the freedom to complain about his dealings - yes DIRECT dealings with a perceived problem, "fox news" - while I have the freedom to tell you that it is my hope that he squelches the type of "over the top" reporting of Fox, and takes on the next task with as much aplomb as he takes on any task.

you could complain, but looking at it another way, sort of like the Saddam Hussein defense, wouldn't it be better if it was fixed ?

It's not a lame idea to put dissenters back on the right track, especially when there is nothing to report aside from cold-blooded hatred out of Fox News toward the president.

Talk about biased media! Fox takes the Cake. All other news sources couldn't possibly be as off-base or slanted as the Fox Network.

And they call it 'dissent'.

I call it hatred for no other reason than to hate.

Posted by: pgibson1 | October 20, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"Hey Marcus, did you say it tends to drag the white house DOWN to the level of Glenn Beck?? Glenn Beck who helped expose the criminal Obama-loving organization ACORN?? Glenn Beck who exposed the corrucp zsar?? Those in the current administration would have to be elevated out of the slim before they could even approach the level of Glenn Beck. It is impossible to drag them down because there is not much lower to go."

Ummmmm, unfortunately, we can always turn back the wheels of time to the last 8 years of Republican rule by the criminal thugs DICK and BUSH. They, of course, sent thousands of AMERICAN soldiers into battle without the proper equipment due to the fact that they were too busy trying to make sure their business partners at Haliburton were making billions of US dollars off their war profiteering efforts.

Personally, that's treason. They put themselves and their buddies before the country they were supposed to be serving. I happen to think that's mighty low....and now Obama is left to clean up 8 years of Republican rule and the Republicans are itching to get back in office so they finish ruining this country?? No thanks!

Posted by: massmedia77 | October 20, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Foolish and politically self-injurious as the Obama attacks on Fox surely are, there is something more significant still in such tactics. They manifest a mindset that we have seen at work across the radical Left spectrum. It is the mindset of dogmatism and intolerance of dissent.

People like Mr. Obama and other radical Leftists are the functional equivalent of religious fanatics. They have a great deal in common with Islamic jihadis. They are dogmatic, authoritarian, repressive, intolerant and malicious toward all who disagree with them.

Such fanatical true believers think they are always right and that no valid grounds exist or could exist for disagreement with their beliefs. When disagreement, as is inevitable, does arise, they attribute it to evil or corrupt motivations. People who disagree with them are not merely wrong, they are wicked for disagreeing. They deserve to be destroyed.

The Obama gang and supporters resemble fundamentalist religious fanatics brimming with malice towards non-believers, infidels and heretics. They have no concept of give and take, a breadth and depth of viewpoints, the possibility that they could ever be mistaken, and no respect, none whatsoever, for any ideas that do not fit with their own. Remarkably, however, such inflexible and intolerance dogmatists see themselves as open-minded, tolerant, rational and willing to entertain diverse opinions. They get around what would seem to be a glaring contradiction between theory and practice by distinguishing between valid, legitimate, honest disagreements and differences of opinion, and differences that are the opposite of all these, e.g. dishonest, phony, insincere, corrupt, etc. Of course it turns out that all who disagree with them are found to be expressing illegitimate disagreement, are scoundrels and must be denounced and exposed as such rather than reasoned with.

These are the people who constitute a Stalinist totalitarian system. They are so sure they are right about everything that they feel justified in going to any lengths to suppress, silence or destroy people who dissent. They are like Inquisitors in the Middle Ages searching out heresy and making certain the divine truth and not pernicious error is being spoken. They are more than capable of hurting people with whom they disagree because they think that people who disagree with them are not only wrong but evil for doing so. This is a dangerous and highly un-American crew, and the fact that so many Americans are along for the ride with them and see nothing wrong with such totalitarian tactics is not a hopeful sign.

Posted by: Teleologicus | October 20, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

OK, people, help me out here.

I'm 58, and have been paying attention most of my life. And I have never seen an American political administration target and attack a news organization the way Team Obama has taken off against Fox.

Full disclosure: I don't even watch Fox. I don't watch TV, nor do I listen to the radio. (Hearing disability, and I can't stand captioning.) So I don't even have a personal impression of what's what in the broadcast world.

But the First Amendment, and the principles behind that amendment, mean everything to me as an American; and what I'm hearing from the White House frightens me.

Am I right in thinking that this level of attack is unprecedented? (At least since, say, the Civil War?) And is President Obama just testing the waters to see how far he can go in declaring disfavored organizations "illegitimate"?

In view of the hate crimes legislation that was recently passed, and the FCC looking to control the Internet and talk radio, I must ask: is the White House laying the groundwork for the comprehensive regulation of political speech?

Posted by: jlw5091 | October 20, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

President Obama has tasked his Communications Director to nullify all news outlet opposition. Anita Dunn said Fox News is wrong. Glenn Beck installed a red phone line to her office so she could call anytime recommending corrections, but none have come.

Remember the red phone of freedom to the phone of despotism that Reagan had between his office and the USSR? Since Beck installed one, we now have two sets of these phones. But these days the one across the Atlantic is between pals both in agreement to bolster Russia and weaken America. The little one though, between Fox and Dunn, still has hope on the free end for a free America.

Anita Dunn told a group of American high school students that her favorite philosophical mentors are Mao Tse Tung and Mother Theresa. Mao was big on genocide; he killed 50 or 70 millions. Mao tse Tung and Mother Theresa seem like an odd pair. But if relative moralism is your god, then I suppose any oddity is possible. Still, it seems fair to wonder what Anita sees in Mao Tse Tung.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Why on earth should the President of the United States of America accept to appear on this TV channel? When have you seen a proper journalist appear on FoxTV? How could the head of the Nation accept to be humiliated on National TV by some clueless idiot working for BushNetwork?

Journalism is an honorable profession, men and women die every year for doing this dangerous job.
Ranting about everything that is not white and american is NOT journalism.

Posted by: irishrich | October 20, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the white house complained about Fox. They merely answered questions posed to them about why they did not go on Fox. In their opinion, which is shared by many, Fox is the media arm of the Republican Party. This did not just start when Obama was elected. This has been the case for years and Fox braggs about it. Great. But you must accept that others may not share your opinion of your claim to be fair and balanced.

Posted by: TOCB | October 20, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

What is the deal?

Conservatives have Fox news.

Obama has everything else.

You would think he wouldn’t be too worried about it.
Unless,…. of course, he want’s a total monopoly on all forms of media.

Really this is a total waste of time and money.

Posted by: rexreddy | October 20, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Alinsky’s #13 strikes again- this is getting pretty predictable.

Still more attempts to isolate and neutralize his fiercest opponents like Rush, while serving as a lesson to the rest of us reactionary riff-raff.

But it looks like Obama’s MSM toadies are cool to the idea of piling-on here, as this column, and Helen Thomas today too; finally they all see a frightening precedent in this… and joining Team Obama for this book-burning would take our Yellow Press still another notch down… to “brown” status, LOL.

http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com

Posted by: ReaganiteRepublican | October 20, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of oddities, why is Dunn, Van Jones, Sunstein and so many other communists in Obama’s inner circle?

By the way, members of the left side of the isle returning from Cuba a few weeks ago had much glowing comment on the enlightened visionary of Castro. How many has he killed? But then, most of Obama’s advisors think Chavez is a visionary too. Dictators and assorted mass killers are now the visionaries we should emulate.

Mao Tse Tung said it was good to kill a few to save the many. Lucky for us Obama merely intends to take away our freedom. Nobody will die we hope, at least not on purpose, except maybe some brave troops twisting in the winds of Afghanistan., or, except when government doctors decide some medical treatments are too expensive for seniors.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of ones political views it is incredibly stupid for the administration to engage the free press in such a stong and negative adversary manner.

If Fox uncovers any manner of serious negative news concerning the administration's policies, execution or senior personnel the other networks will fall into a pack mentality and side with Fox. This would bring enormous and immediate pressure on the President. Pressure he has never felt previously.

This early into an administration the feud could become a negative narrative throughout the entire of the President's term. Really foolish.

Posted by: labyrinth1 | October 20, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

rodhug wrote:
Despite tumultuous events abroad, the public's news habits have been relatively stable over the past two years. Yet modest growth has continued in two important areas online news and cable news. Regarding the latter, the expanding audience for the Fox News Channel stands out. Since 2000, the number of Americans who regularly watch Fox News has increased by nearly half from 17% to 25% while audiences for other cable outlets have been flat at best.

Of the 25 percent who watch Fox News, 35 percent are Republicans, 21 percent are Democrats, and 22 percent are Independents.
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Here another BIG LIE from the LYING and THIEVING rethugs. You skew your numbers just to make a point. This is a classic FAUXNEWS (FALSE NEWS) channel tactic. You all need to stop LYING!

Posted by: numbers28 | October 20, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Teleologicus wrote:

Foolish and politically self-injurious as the Obama attacks on Fox surely are, there is something more significant still in such tactics. They manifest a mindset that we have seen at work across the radical Left spectrum. It is the mindset of dogmatism and intolerance of dissent.

People like Mr. Obama and other radical Leftists are the functional equivalent of religious fanatics. They have a great deal in common with Islamic jihadis. They are dogmatic, authoritarian, repressive, intolerant and malicious toward all who disagree with them.

Such fanatical true believers think they are always right and that no valid grounds exist or could exist for disagreement with their beliefs. When disagreement, as is inevitable, does arise, they attribute it to evil or corrupt motivations. People who disagree with them are not merely wrong, they are wicked for disagreeing. They deserve to be destroyed.

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You are absolutely right - liberalism has become a religion. Couldn't agree more. Ironic because they hate religion so.

Posted by: sold2u | October 20, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

The thing is...Fox is not really news. They misconstrue information all the time and clearly promote a particular political point of view.

Sure, it may look petty now for the administration to do this, but it is tactically savvy. Anything they can do to make the GOP base seem more extreme, the better. By pushing Fox to the fringe, and embracing the other major news outlets, the administration is making a concerted effort to bring political discourse back towards the center and in line with what most Americans think.

And sure, anyone who knows what a logical fallacy is can spot hundreds per hour on Fox, but it is absolutely necessary to call them out on it and nobody has.

Posted by: bigbadbri | October 20, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

ecoAZ wrote:

I feel strongly that Obama is frightened to death over what a very unafraid news agency MIGHT uncover about him.
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Here is another blatant LIE from the LYING & LAUGHING rethuglikon fringe. If you had anything after digging the POTUS for almost four years, you have absolutely nothing. You and your ilk will continue to just LIE without conscience, which is a Grand nO Party thing that you learned from Roger Ailes and his mentor, the slime-in-chief Lee Atwater. The caverns of Hell are not enough for this freak!

Posted by: numbers28 | October 20, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Fox, partisan politics in the form of an arm of the Republican party, should not be allowed to be labeled as news. It is as simple as that. It is a form of fraud and the FCC should have stepped in a long time ago. I'm not saying they should be taken off the air, but they shouldn't hold themselves out as Walter Cronkite when they are Joe McCarthy. Call it political opinion with an agenda and be done with it.

Posted by: SarahBB | October 20, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand, if FOX hates Obama, why is it necessary for them to want to talk to him. Get over it. You know why? because indifference is worst than hate.

Posted by: zippergyrl1 | October 20, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama's speech in San Francisco on Oct 15 heralded a new phase in his takeover of America. He was aggressive, even almost violent, in his condemnation of his domestic enemies (Republicans, Fox News, bluedogs, seniors, all who value freedom, folks who wish to choose their doctor and medical treatment, those who insist on a sane federal budget, etc). Hitherto he has been passive. I even thought he might be passive to his core. I was wrong.

Was it the SF crowd that once before brought out the real Obama and did again? In any case, he dropped all pretense that he is the president of all Americans, as he seemed to take on an aspect of dictator of America.

Dictators tend to be arrogant and violent. Obama met that description well in SF.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

numbers28 wrote:

Here is another blatant LIE from the LYING & LAUGHING rethuglikon fringe. If you had anything after digging the POTUS for almost four years, you have absolutely nothing. You and your ilk will continue to just LIE without conscience, which is a Grand nO Party thing that you learned from Roger Ailes and his mentor, the slime-in-chief Lee Atwater. The caverns of Hell are not enough for this freak!

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Tolerant Left: Exhibit (a)

Posted by: sold2u | October 20, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I agree this was a dumb thing for this administration to do but this administration really cares about controlling its message so when everyone isn’t towing the line they just whine thinking somehow that will somehow make it all better. The biggest kick I get out of all of this is the liberal reaction. It was OK to do / say these things about Bush, his politics and his administration but now that the messiah is in office it's just not fair. Bush had his MSNBC and NY Times, Obama has his Fox News. I’m glad they both exist and irritate those in the office. I mean, come on, does anyone seriously think the MSNBC commentators are any better than those on Fox? Same BS and attitude, just different sides of the argument.

If this administration is really that bothered by Fox I propose a solution. They can work with the Congress to bring back the Alien and Sedition act of 1798. President Adams used it to lock up more than a few newspaper editors for writing things about him he didn't like. Maybe a couple of days in the poky will change Bill O’Reilly’s outlook. Perhaps Nancy Pelosi already has the bill written?

Posted by: JAMoore1 | October 20, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

"Where the White House has gone way overboard is in its decision to treat Fox as an outright enemy and to go public with the assault. Imagine the outcry if the Bush administration had pulled a similar hissy fit with MSNBC."

Tell me what happened when the Bush administration actually did just that. I missed the outcry.

Posted by: dkmjr | October 20, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the Obama administration will lose anything dealing with FOX News in this manner.

The people who watch FOX News never liked Obama, the Democrats, taxes, health care reform, black people (just kidding) to begin with.

If I ever meet a politically moderate person who tells me they get their news from FOX, I'll change my opinion.

Posted by: jeremyisett | October 20, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, like CNN, MSNBC, NYTimes, WAPO, CBS, NBC, etc are NEWSWORTHY? They're so far up Obama's a** that their necks would break if he sneezed.

At least Fox reports on issues other than whatever gospel the Messiah spoke of today.

Liberals are pathetic creatures. Neither tolerant nor progressive.

Posted by: RobParker | October 20, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Fox "News" should be called out and often. Thay constantly lie to the American people. It may make the White House look petty, but who cares? What they are saying is TRUE. Not that truth matters much in America.

Posted by: dwag12134 | October 20, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

The author of the post is correct. Its really a DUMB war with Foxnews. As noted, Fox is a 24 hour propaganda machine. Therefore, why would anyone who has too many other important issues find the time to go on the offensive against Fox. Its viewership is based on those who wouldnt vote for a liberal especially a black person anyway, so its a waste of time. Fox is only in business to be the loyal opposition and its effective. There are no other neo-conservative broadcast mediums, so fox is it. Great way to rake in billions in advertising and revenue. I

Fox is smart. It knows its viewers are less educated as studies have shown that liberals are smarter than republicans, e.g. there are more highly educated liberals than conservaties. Fox ceases on their dumbness with propaganda and stupid shows with fuzzy numbers to feel the egos of the angry whites who just cant stand to see a black president.

Posted by: Sincear202 | October 20, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Ruth must have forgotten how Bush railed ceaselessly against the NYTimes. But then, that's her competition. What about NBC? Bush and his sycophants railed against them too.

Come on, Ruth - if you can't be honest then at least be quiet.

Posted by: kimberlyrae | October 20, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Fox has a problem seperating their opinion guys from their news guys,if they have any news guys. They are attempting to use the fact that the white house ignores them against the white house. Surprise, surprise. I enjoy watching Fox but I don't take them seriously. It seems the white house doesn't either.

Posted by: TOCB | October 20, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

What a ridiculous load of nonsense... Ummmm Ruth, since you brought up MSNBC, perhaps you recall the Bush Admin going after NBC in 2008.

Lose the self serving, self righteous pontification.

Posted by: rainlion@yahoo.com | October 20, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

rodhug wrote:

Obama wants a civilian force equal in number and funding to the US military. Does that give any Fox hater pause?
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Are you paid daily to spew these same LIES? Or are you on some of the same delusional crap that Limpballs and Glen "Stir Crazy", your heroes take daily? Inquiry minds want to know!

Posted by: numbers28 | October 20, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Controlling all of the information channels and providing them with false information is, in fact, a fascist tactic. The Obama administration is obviously on this path.

Do American citizens want to live in a fascist state? (Do they even understand how the fascist system works?)

Posted by: nosam32 | October 20, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Ruth,
Really ? The fifth estate gets very defensive when one of their is called out.
The fact is that the press has a responsibility to truth, honesty, and veracity in the public interest. Print, TV and especially radio media irresponsible with the truth not only promoting lies and distortions but more seriously repeating falsehoods when they are known falsehoods.
The American press has become nothing more than political shills over the past 30 years. The merging under corporate ownership of news outlets has not resulted in efficiency as claimed but in inaccuracy and disortion. Is this what Reagan had in mind ? It shouldn't just be the White House that speak out for truth. It should be all of us,

Posted by: lcarey | October 20, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Ruth,
Really ? The fifth estate gets very defensive when one of their is called out.
The fact is that the press has a responsibility to truth, honesty, and veracity in the public interest. Print, TV and especially radio media irresponsible with the truth not only promoting lies and distortions but more seriously repeating falsehoods when they are known falsehoods.
The American press has become nothing more than political shills over the past 30 years. The merging under corporate ownership of news outlets has not resulted in efficiency as claimed but in inaccuracy and disortion. Is this what Reagan had in mind ? It shouldn't just be the White House that speak out for truth. It should be all of us,

Posted by: lcarey | October 20, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"There are no red states. There are no blue states. There are the United States" - Obama

Apparently someone's started seeing too much red. Fox will make full use of this chance gain ratings in all the 57 states.

Posted by: NoWeCant | October 20, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Ruth,
Really ? The fifth estate gets very defensive when one of their is called out.
The fact is that the press has a responsibility to truth, honesty, and veracity in the public interest. Print, TV and especially radio media irresponsible with the truth not only promoting lies and distortions but more seriously repeating falsehoods when they are known falsehoods.
The American press has become nothing more than political shills over the past 30 years. The merging under corporate ownership of news outlets has not resulted in efficiency as claimed but in inaccuracy and disortion. Is this what Reagan had in mind ? It shouldn't just be the White House that speak out for truth. It should be all of us,

Posted by: lcarey | October 20, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

RobParker wrote:

Yeah, like CNN, MSNBC, NYTimes, WAPO, CBS, NBC, etc are NEWSWORTHY? They're so far up Obama's a** that their necks would break if he sneezed.

At least Fox reports on issues other than whatever gospel the Messiah spoke of today.

Liberals are pathetic creatures. Neither tolerant nor progressive.
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Here is another card carrying member of the Rethuglikon LYING BRIGADE! This dude spews the same LYING drivel daily. You must be sucking your thumb right now, because you are afraid of all the bogeymen that your masters from the swamp have drilled into your small skull. You need help urgently.

Posted by: numbers28 | October 20, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Obama on this. If you are going to report the News report it all not just what you think .... they (FOX) have nothing positive to report about Obama. If he stepped off the curb, they would report that he kick the curb where a small dog was hiding or some crap...I have stopped watching Fox news because they are one sided and I want the whole story. As for the chick who wrote this story (Marcus)...maybe you should be working for Fox!!!

Posted by: bowiemdh | October 20, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

We certainly have become a divided nation with no hope for a conversation. Even our "leader" is doing it.

Posted by: sally62 | October 20, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Fox news is 100 percent biased against Obama!

That is a FACT!

They are ANYTHING BUT, "Fair and balanced", as they laughably try to claim.

I am glad to see the White house calling it like it is and going after this phony so-called news site.

Not everyone on Fox is anti-Obama to teh same degree.

O Reilly, Beck and Hannity, however, are the sorriest excuses of journalism I've probably ever seen.

Sure, people watch them. Just like more people will go to a circus, when it comes to town, than would see a nice opera. But it's still a circus; entertainment, show and performance with some real freaks along the way. NOTHING to be proud of, IMO.

Same goes for Keith Olberman at MSNBC. I just think these people should at least TRY to maintain some kind of neutrality when doing their shows.

It's why the media has been losing credibility overall as of late.

Vinny

Posted by: vince2 | October 20, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

As the saying goes, "liberalism is a mental disorder". There really is no other logical explanation as to the lack of comprehension regarding the stark reality that every branch of media is in the bag for Obama, and has been, for a very long time. Perhaps as far back as the 04' keynote that was lauded as the speech of all speeches. Fox is the ONLY television network with the audacity not to bow at the alter of Obama, and because of that defiance, blow their lapdog competition out of the water. It's really that simple. Fox will challenge an administration that is undoubtedly moving us down a dangerous path, on a great number of different fronts, and should be applauded for their good work in exposing what the Obama administration is all about, which is downright left wing Marxist extremism. Sorry to all the non-believers out there, but to close, God bless Fox News, keep fighting the good fight!

Posted by: LAWNMAN209 | October 20, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Right wing nut cases are saying that ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, etc...are all wrong but only "Fixed" News Network is right? Ummmmm....there's a problem here. LoL

The rest of the world is wrong but the False News Network are the only ones that are right? Just like November 4, 2008....the majority speaks louder than B.S. journalism.

Posted by: BigHustla | October 20, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Just so you know, if you call me a Teabagger, I will teabag you. Don't say you weren't warned.

Posted by: PhilThijou | October 20, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

On July 2, 2008 Obama made this chilling statement at a campaign rally in Colorado Springs: "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=69601
Does that give any Fox hater pause?

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Why should the Obama administration be afraid of offending Fox News? No one at Fox News is concerned about offending the White House. Marcus sounds a lot like the spineless Republicans who feel the need to genuflect to Rush Limbaugh. The h-ll with Fox News.

Posted by: sonny2 | October 20, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

The Republic operatives have railed against their imaginary "liberal media" for decades. After Cheney's famous quote, "Be careful what you say," critical columnists and even Bill Maher got canned for criticizing war and tax cuts for the wealthy. So what's wrong with Obama turning the tables on Fox, and questioning the veracity of their so-called "fair and balanced" shows?

Posted by: mongolovesheriff | October 20, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, CBS are all propaganda arms of the Obama Administration and the DNC. They have fawned, swooned and propped up this Administration during the campaign and since. Their bias is rancid. They failed in their Constitutional responsibilities. They have not served the public. Those media outlets did not vet Obama as FOX News did and continues to do. Nothing FOX News has reported has been misleading or false. Only to the Obama cult members is the truth and the facts offensive. FOX News does an outstanding job and the MSM should take some ques from it. Maybe if they too were honest in their reporting a couple more viewers could be added to their totals. Otherwise more and more will use FOX News as the standard by which news is presented.

Posted by: FraudObama | October 20, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Supporters who say Fox News is maligned should go to the Huffington Post site and view ten "fair and balanced" video clip examples of faux news.

Posted by: Ceeee | October 20, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

i do not believe a huge number of fox viewers vote.i have a brother in law that talks oreilly every day .but hasnt voted in 40yrs.i dont watch fox or msnbc i get my news from the internet or local newspapers. i seems to me anyone who watches these networks are weak people and unable to think for themselves.those kind of people will never elect a president the vast majority are much smarter .anyway anyone that could spend an evening watching trash doesnt have a life.

Posted by: donaldtucker | October 20, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

vince2 yelled:
Fox news is 100 percent biased against Obama!
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It's not a fact unless you add two exclamation points.

Posted by: NoWeCant | October 20, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I stopped watching Faux during the Bush years when it was evident they stopped being a news organization. No criticism of W was allowed and when reporters and anchor personnel shouted down any disagreement I knew they were in no way a news organization.

Had POTUS not made his objections known, that in truth Faux is entertainment, it is the arm of the Republican and wingnuts party then Faux can claim see the POTUS treats us as news, and they can all strut around pretending they are the same as Morrow, Cronkite, etc.

POTUS has quit playing the game. As Bush refused to talk to the NYT and hated NBC/MSNBC any reporter or question they didn't like was "treason" and they cut off access. This time POTUS isn't telling them they can't come to press conferences or ask questions, he and administration will go on Whiny Wallace's show but at their convenience and only when they want to -- if they have a message they want to get out they will focus first on stations that will give them a fair hearing - but who will also invite the opposition to counter their argument as they do now.

Posted by: Lemon7221 | October 20, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The Administration is correct in freezing out Fox News. During the campaign, Fox ran the most vicious, racist campaign against candidate Obama and it has continued to do so during Obama's presidency. So, why should the Administration give them the time of day? I would downplay the so-called feud and give Fox no reason to attract more viewers, but quietly and subtly not invite them to interview the president or even attend press briefings. Access is one's stock and trade in DC and Fox has to learn that lesson.

Posted by: wilcherglobal | October 20, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Dum my ass:

Thanks Mr. President for standing up to FOX news, the De Facto New Station of the Republican Neo-Con Party.

Continuing Fox News' witch hunt against members of the Obama administration, both Glenn Beck and Special Report misleadingly cropped White House communications director Anita Dunn's remarks at a high school graduation ceremony to falsely claim that she was, in Beck's words, "proclaiming Mao [Zedong] as ... the man that she turns to most." In fact, Dunn actually said that Mao and Mother Theresa were "the two people that I turn to most to basically deliver a simple point, which is, you're going to make choices" [emphasis added].

It's no secret that a large chunk of what remains of the Republican Party base is made up of under-informed, far-right extremists and the like. You have Glenn Beck on FOX saying Barack Obama Has A Deep-Seated Hatred Of White People! You have FOX ratings going through the roof and neo-nazi recruiting under the guise of Tea Parties. They lost the Hispanics with the Sotomayer hate attacks and the youth by attacking Michael Jackson.
And now this speaking to the school children. They will never get the black vote, or the gay vote or the female vote.Fox has the highest ratings because all these OLD and ignorant people are sitting on their butts watching cable. The more education you have, the LESS tv you watch. So while Fox may have high ratings, it’s relative to who's watching. Just because you have the most people of an uneducated, ignorant viewer ship doesn't mean you have an impact. Fox just has more elderly idiots and old farts glued to the screen watching the Barbie Doll Bimbos than any other channel.

Posted by: sherardg | October 20, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Right-wing nut cases are quick to "boast" Fox Noise Networks viewer numbers. Some will go as far as pull out statistics to prove that fact.

Here is a statistic that they can not prove. How many are looking at it for their "news" resource vs. people like myself who look at it for their stupidity? Exactly! Don't boast your numbers until you see how many people are looking at it for the sheere comedy enjoyment.

Posted by: BigHustla | October 20, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

OK, people, help me out here.

I'm 58, and have been paying attention most of my life. And I have never seen an American political administration target and attack a news organization the way Team Obama has taken off against Fox.

Full disclosure: I don't even watch Fox. I don't watch TV, nor do I listen to the radio. (Hearing disability, and I can't stand captioning.) So I don't even have a personal impression of what's what in the broadcast world.

But the First Amendment, and the principles behind that amendment, mean everything to me as an American; and what I'm hearing from the White House frightens me.

Am I right in thinking that this level of attack is unprecedented? (At least since, say, the Civil War?) And is President Obama just testing the waters to see how far he can go in declaring disfavored organizations "illegitimate"?

In view of the hate crimes legislation that was recently passed, and the FCC looking to control the Internet and talk radio, I must ask: is the White House laying the groundwork for the comprehensive regulation of political speech?

Posted by: jlw509

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I'd recommend watching Fox at random times throughout the day morning and night for just one day to get a sense about why the White House might have a beef. Without seeing it, it's hard to appreciate just how extreme and far-out the channel is.

Alternatively, you could take a look at WorldNetDaily, which is functionally a print version of Fox.

The White House hasn't gone as far as Nixon did with orgs like the Post threatening to revoke licenses for a radio station; it's simply called Fox what it is -- a public relations firm masquerading as a news organization. This isn't a first either. Past administrations have taken media organizations to task when they believed the media organizations were providing coverage that was slanted, blatantly false, or simply unfavorable. The Fox coverage is more than just unfavorable -- they are clearly pushing an agenda without any regard for the truth.

I don't think the administration is laying ground work for anything at this stage. Ultimately, given the exponential increase in assassination threats there could be a crack-down on political PR firms like Fox -- or it could simply encounter the same public pressure that the Hearst media empire did after the McKinley assassination. Hopefully it doesn't come to that.

If you spend time watching Fox and witnessing the conspiracy theories that it peddles though, you'll begin to understand why the administration has called them out.

Fox doesn't operate like a traditional news organization. It operates more like a traditional public relations firm. So the White House is well within its rights to treat it more like it would a PR firm, than it would a news organization.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

How stupid do you think the general public is in America?

Fox "News" isn't news. It's nothing more than a 24-hour op-ed column with an agenda - basically trash anyone who doesn't believe in their narrow minded agenda.

And let's not pretend like Fox wouldn't have been kissing Nixon's ass if it were around in the 70s. Please

You're a real piece of work.

Posted by: sasmontagova | October 20, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

So what! The Obama White House said what EVERYBODY knows. "Fox News is right wing biased". Anybody who denies that is a fool. No News here!

Posted by: ryan_heart | October 20, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Fox News makes people think. Obama and the Democratic Party want to do the thinking for people.

We are on the road to dictatorship, starting with the media being taught how to think by the Democratic Party.

Obama has a substantive agenda to take control over our lives and thoughts. Nothing more.

Posted by: bob59 | October 20, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Really the only thing that stands out in your article is "Dumber" isn't a word I hope she was using that as a joke because this doesn't sound like a professional journalist.

Posted by: necromx | October 20, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I would like to add to my prior post, that this is 2009 not 1969. Obama is no Nixon. The 24/7 cable news and internet news cycles have radically changed our ways of communicating.

Besides the cable news, the FNC website offers comment blogs that are chilling to read. Foul mouthed, vicious, rabid hate speech, based on suppositions, innuendos and conspiracy lingo congered up by the FOX opinion team. If FOX News Channel was serious, it would sort out 90% of its blogger comments for being hateful. And it should offer their management a window to see the kind of extremist wild fires they are feeding when they blow around all this hot air of hate.

Posted by: maddymappo | October 20, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama has a substantive agenda to take control over our lives and thoughts. Nothing more.

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Take your meds dude! LoL This obviously is Fox News Finest speaking! LoL Scare tactics mixed in hate!

Posted by: BigHustla | October 20, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Raging partisans should get a room. I swear, you people turn eachother on. The bulk of the populace is reasonable and remains unimpressed by Repubs, Dems, Olbermans or Becks. Bush stunk up the field and Obama has tripled down on the stupidity. Fox news is not a danger to the current administration. MSNBC did not destroy the former administration. Uncontrolled spending and bad policies damaged Bush and will crush Obama as well.

Posted by: bender1 | October 20, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I never watched Fox news until Obama started running for POTUS, then it was the only network I could stomach. Now, I wouldn't watch any other network if I'm in the mood for cable opinions. The Obama stations are so blatant in their constant worship and I don't feel like I'm getting any facts at all. Everyone needs to delve into each issue and not believe the garbage you hear on TV. It's entertainment folks!

Posted by: ontheblvd | October 20, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Ms. Marcus and when Fox decides to actually report the news then the White House should reconsider. I see no reason though to hold interviews, press conferences, or briefings with the public relation arm of the other Party.

Posted by: MayorEd | October 20, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Fox News is just one of Obama's enemys. Others are:
Republicans, bluedogs, teabaggers, seniors, insurance companies, CEOs, capitalists everywhere, all who want to choose their doctor and what medical treatment they get, and all who otherwise oppose him.

The salient thing about Obama's thin skin is he spend too much effort combating domestic enemys and not enough working on how to improve the US economy and make the world safer.

It turns out that Fox is one of the hardest of Obama's enemys to fight. Fox has a loud voice. This is a big frustration for the new president.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Sonny2, the only genuflecting going is the salivating MSM that are afraid to offend the annointed one. It's time for the lummox in the Oval Office and his paid assassins, Emanuel and Axelrod, to stop acting like kindergarteners playing in a sand box. Like the MSM, these loons are spreading hatred and lies to obfuscate the failures of this administration regarding jobs and the economy. These are same wizards who proclaimed a major depression during President Bush's terms, when unemployment was only 5.% Check today's rates, libs, 9.8% national, while Michigan is 16%, and California, Oregon, and Washington are 12% or higher. Emanuel and Axelrod are all over the MSM talkshows like manure, with the same results: more slobering by their allies in the MSM! Obama, act like a president, not a SNL comic!

Posted by: nmg3rln | October 20, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Considering that the other three major, so-called independent, networks all lean significantly toward the views of the DNC, I don't see a problem with FOX pushing a more biased GOP view.

Posted by: GordonShumway | October 20, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

All the news networks except Fox have a collective spark running up their legs for Obama.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama's plan is to impose the European socialist model in stages. Nationalized banks, nationalized auto manufacturing, nationalized healthcare, nationalized energy, and so on. But why does he need a civilian force equal in size and funding to the US military?

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

The writer of this article assumes FOX to be a news organization. Because they are, in fact, an ideological arm, lack of a response to their baseless attack would be weakness.

The White House's response is long overdue. Not that FOX should be shunned entirely - the White House ought definately include them on the Enquirer, Globe circuit.

Posted by: mmax | October 20, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Americans are free, for the time being at least, to watch, read or listen to news delivered by any provider they choose. The Obama administration's attacks upon Fox News Channel threatens, in spirit, to infringe upon the rights guaranteed the press by the 1st Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

Those who support Obama in attacking Fox News should be reminded that, without question, a Republican administration will once again occupy the White House at some point in the future. The pendulum swings both ways. Always has, and always will. Normalizing attacks on the press at this moment in time will only make it easier and more acceptable for a "conservative" executive branch to curtail, perhaps even further, a news provider like the Washington Post at some point in the future.

Beware the slippery slope.

Posted by: JSmitan | October 20, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Rodhug we already sort of use the European socialist model..Police Departments, Fire Departments, Waste Management, Parks, Public Transportation, Welfare...etc. We all pay taxes our money all gets pooled together and pays for those services that's exactly what socialism is a economic system not a system of government.

Posted by: necromx | October 20, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Nixonian? I don't remember the pundits using that term when the true inheritor of Nixon's legacy, George W. Bush, went after the press.

Just goes to show: the right will always go with the Big Lie.

Posted by: pkotta | October 20, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

GordonShumway wrote:

Considering that the other three major, so-called independent, networks all lean significantly toward the views of the DNC, I don't see a problem with FOX pushing a more biased GOP view.
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So if you agree that FAUXNEWS is slanted and that's putting it mildly, why would a Democratic President want to talk to them? Let them just waddle in their sewer of LIES and misinformation. I would like their lemmings removed from the White House press corps ASAP!

Posted by: numbers28 | October 20, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Typo in the head line. Should read:

Obama's war with dumb Fox.

Sorry for any inconvenience.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 20, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

rodhug wrote:

Obama's plan is to impose the European socialist model in stages. Nationalized banks, nationalized auto manufacturing, nationalized healthcare, nationalized energy, and so on. But why does he need a civilian force equal in size and funding to the US military?
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This is Rod's daily psycho babble daily. You and your ilk were fired last November, and you still cannot get over it. You and your sewer dwellers at FAUXNEWS can continue to spew your LIES and fear mongering. We will solve the issues facing this nation with or without you. Your party is useless, and your daily diatribes are useless.

Posted by: numbers28 | October 20, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Fox News. Balance but fair. Both in the same sentence. Now these are two oxymorons. Personally, I never tune in to Fox News or the Fox channel if I can help it. I suppose their sponsors agree with the way they report the news so I do not use them either.

Posted by: jdhenry2 | October 20, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

This declaration of war by the WH against FOX reminds me of two things:
1. Mark Lloyd, the FCC Chief Diversity Officer, who's ultimate goal is to transform or CHANGE the broadcasting industry to another PBS or BBC by the government controlling the content.
2. It also reminds me of George Orwell's 1984 of the dystopia that the WA wants to create b/c if they control content of the media, they know they will ultimately control the minds of the citizens. Not much different than propaganda or indoctrination!
WAKE UP AMERICA!!

Posted by: american17 | October 20, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

JSmitan wrote:
Americans are free, for the time being at least, to watch, read or listen to news delivered by any provider they choose. The Obama administration's attacks upon Fox News Channel threatens, in spirit, to infringe upon the rights guaranteed the press by the 1st Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
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Here another hypocrite who was among those who censored the President's speech to school children. Now you talk about the 1st Amendment. You are a sick and idiotic bunch! It was not a slippery slope when your hero, the fake cowboy from Texas, used to decided who he would give interviews to. You make no sense folks! Get a grip, because the townhalls are over for now. We've heard all your fear and hate filled diatribes last summer. Try some other tactic, because you are currently losing more voters than you think. May the Grand nO Party go the way of the Whigs!

Posted by: numbers28 | October 20, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

"Has anyone at the White House clicked over to MSNBC recently?" Are you seriously suggesting that MSNBC's straight news coverage (as opposed to its opinion programs like Olberman's) is as slanted as Fox's? No one who has watched any five minutes of news on either channel can believe that. Fox's news is blatantly, systematically biased in ways that MSNBC's and CNN's simply aren't. Why do MSM types like Marcus keep denying the obvious?

Posted by: steveandshelley | October 20, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

The POV of Faux News is indistinguishable from that of the Republican National Committee. Obama told the truth about them and I support him doing so. The posts of the raging foilheads who defend Murdochs's right to make stuff up without fear of contradiction are the best evidence of this. Tell it like it is, Mr President.

Posted by: willdamon | October 20, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Liberals scoffed when Bush said that you were either with the US or against us. Obama has taken that thought further- you are either with HIM or against HIM and if the latter, he will treat you like an enemy. This man is so accustomed to adoring treatment that he believed he has the right to demand it - or else. Instead of the new politics he promised he has given us a politics driven by personal pique and petty vendettas against a news organizaion that millions of people watch daily. Has Obama channeled Nixon?

Posted by: mhr614 | October 20, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Dunn made a public statement acknowledging what we all know already: Fox is partisan. The White House recognizes it, and is not going to do them any favors.

This is a long way from Nixon's secret Enemies List and his efforts to phone-tap and blackmail questioners and critics. Marcus shows a lack of judgment and knowledge in equating them. Is she angling for a feature on Fox?

Posted by: j2hess | October 20, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Gee Ruth, sure sounds like you are Fox News #1 Fan!!!
Don' you get it - It is named Fox "News" and it is NOT... So, you conservatives that are stating it's just like Rachael or Keiths "shows" are either ignorant or Fox news bigots.

Posted by: mappy1 | October 20, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

teleologicus is 100% correct, considering the ignorant, irrational posts made by the leftists on this story. The kool-aid drinkers are at their best, using lies, slurs, and empty-headed remarks to support their fantasies. Good job Fox News, keep their feet to the fire.

Posted by: nmg3rln | October 20, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Most of the people commenting negatively about Fox News don't watch it. They have conservative commentators, who have guests who are liberal, too. The news readers and pure news shows are fairly straightforward. They have prominent Geraldo Rivera (Obama supporter_and Greta Van Sustern (Dem) who have opinion shows. Does MSNBC have any conservatives with their own shows? To Marcus' point: How stupid of the White House to show their contempt for the First Amendment/freedom of the press by starting a war with a news network.

Posted by: MIMI13 | October 20, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama's communications director said one her two heroes is Mao, the former leader of the Communist Party of China. Mao slaughtered over 30 million opponents to silence the opposition. Many were cannibalized by Mao supporters. What does that say about the Obama Administration.

Giving the benefit of the doubt to a criminal only sets you up for the crime. The same applies to the Democratic Party and Obama. Giving them room to accomplish their goals won't do you any good.

Posted by: bob59 | October 20, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I disagree. Perhaps you forget the dastardly tactics of Fox News during the election. I remember being shocked by the staged and scripted "undecided voter panels" following the presidential debates that were clearly set up to sway public opinion towards McCain. And Fox reported as "news" following every debate that McCain crushed his opponent. Fox clearly demonstrated an agenda to take down Barack using deceitful and unethical methods. So I see it as a matter of dignity, not pettiness, that the Barack administration refuses to recognize or participate with Fox news. I also find it distasteful that your article tried to flip the script and compare Barack to Nixon and Glenn Beck. Nice try. It's ironic how the "evil ones" you select for comparison are both icons of the GOP. Essentially you're saying "Barack is evil like we are." I see right through your ham-fisted words. I recommend you try applying for a position on the Fox News team. You fit the bill nicely.

Posted by: naturalkingdom | October 20, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Is Ruth Marcus so besotted that she doesn't realize Pres. Obama is the one setting the tone for his administration? Or does she believe he lied like a rug during his campaign and continues to do so today? Or is she just rattled by the White House orchestrating a campaign it thought it could win, only to see that the latest polling shows that nearly half of FOX News viewers are liberals or independents?

Posted by: MaryMc1 | October 20, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Would you talk to a network that had a major player call you a racist? I wouldn't. The White House is simply displaying common sense --- something that is lost on most of you.

Posted by: sammyp1047 | October 20, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't say Fox News is fair and balanced or ever was or is. But I must say MSNBC and CNN have gone so far left that Fox does seem more fair and balances.

At least when Bush was POTUS his poop did have a little smell from Fox. Not much, but a little. MSNBC and CNN acts like Obama's poop is perfume.

Posted by: bnw173 | October 20, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

yes, you are right - the fight is petty is lame. what i find so nuts about your article though is that you are accusing obama, the one you obviously support who is trying to socialize your country and go down the path where a free press is not accepted and still supporting him. did you take political science and world history? we all know the path to communism. FDR was the first step. Unfortunately, I believe that Bush had a part in it and Obama has a big part in it.

STOP SOCIALIZING AMERICA. IT IS UN-AMERICAN!

Posted by: NewLibertarian | October 20, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

The White House is a Bullie. Let people, brains or no brains, watch what they want!

Mr. Obama- Do not dictate to me what is considered "a legitimate NEWS source"!

I'll decide and I'll change the channel if I want.
The White House needs to work on the economy. They are just using this as a Distraction to the healthcare reform bill they are trying to pass!

Write to your representatives and tell them to VOTE NO on the reform until the people have a chance to read it!!

the following is what the White house once said
"During the campaign, the president committed to introducing more sunlight into the lawmaking process by posting nonemergency legislation online for five days before signing it. The president remains committed to bringing more transparency to government, and in this spirit the White House has posted legislation expected to come to the president's desk online for comment. We will be implementing this policy..."

Keep your promise LET US READ THE BILL DON'T DO IT IN SECRET--WHAT ARE YOU GUYS TRYING TO HIDE. "THE PEOPLE" will be paying for it so we need to read it!

Posted by: LeeYu | October 20, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

How is it that in this country when an ignorant liberal comment is made its considered freedom of speech but now, God Almighty forbid that anyone speak against the great Obama else they are considered traitorous.... really? How blind and uninformed are you? Do your political ties run so deep that you cant see blatant temper tantrums right in front of your face. Do you realize that letting the president, ANY president get by with what this administration is doing with its war on Fox News is tantamount to creating a State Run Media... i.e. Russia, China, North Korea where only the leader of the country is allowed to determine what is on the news... WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE??? This administration is on a very slippery slope with trying to CONTROL the media and what they report. Loud Mouth Anita Dunn even stated in a speech in the Dominican Republic that THEY (the Obama team) controlled the media before the election stating that THEY determined what was printed and what was shared... ITS CONTROL people, speaking out against it is NOT traitorous... don't label every opinon oppossed to your own narrow thinking as being traiterous... don't give any administration that much control over you.

"Obama's dumb war? The only thing dumb about not attacking Fox News is not attacking them every second of every day like they do Obama. Since when does it matter who has more ink (or psuedo ink)? Fox News feeds their cancerous anti-Obama hate into living rooms across the world non stop. In any other country they would be shot as traitors! Absolutely nothing but negative propaganda with no solutions for anything! "

Posted by: Ohhowpeopleforget | October 20, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

On the contrary, it does not in my opinion “make the White House look weak, unable to take Harry Truman’s advice and just deal with the heat”. Harry Truman did not have to deal with a 24 hour news propaganda machine like FOX news, with its seizure-inducing graphics, Orwellian sub-heads, cartoonishly dramatic voice-overs, blond-maned snow-bunnies and (ugh!) BILL O’REILLY, is the toy department of television journalism. Meanwhile, Sean Hannity is nothing more than a bootleg pundit. By acknowledging such a dispenser of “non-formation” in this manner it legitimizes Hannity and serves as an insult to the true charlatan muckrakers who dispense intellectually spaced-out agit-prop from legit news sources from delusional crackpot chicken hawks bill kristol and the frustrated, sour puss “I need an enema bad” Charles Kauthammer or any of the wing-nuts over at the Wall St. Journal editorial page.

Doe’s it makes the White House look small, dragged down to the level of Glenn Beck? Maybe in your opinion, but not mine. And from reading these comments and FOX’s reaction, to the contrary, it makes FOX look childish and petty at best. Besides, it’s done now. Why write about something that already happened?

As for the First Amendment, it that not for everyone? You can print and say whatever you want but a President is not allowed to comment on it?

Posted by: sherardg | October 20, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse


Tuesday, October 20, 2009

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 28% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -12. The Approval Index rating has been lower only on two days since the current President took office.

Posted by: FraudObama | October 20, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Where is the ACLU?

A white house is trying to silence media that doesn't agree with it.

That is wrong. Can't people see that? I don't want a republican to not have to talk MSNBC when they return to power. I want them to. Cause I know that MSNBC will ask the hardest questions of the republicans, and FOX News is the only station asking hard questions of the Obama administration.

This is very very bad that someone would use the power of the white to silence voices.

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Posted by: tropicalfolk | October 20, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

It's about time somebody in the center or center left takes on these extreme right wing broadcasters. Since Reagan destroyed the "Fairness Doctrine" we have been subjected to ever more extreme propganda.

These people fanned the flames for Tim McVeigh - no such thing could have occurred with a Fairness Doctrine in place.

The mainstream news has been cowed by the right wingers, and won't take them on. If you are on a Clear Channel radio station you must be right wing and must demonstrate it - they fired a traffic reporter at WLS for being insufficiently right wing biased. The new traffic newsgirl makes sure to indicate she only listens to FOX on a regular basis.

Propaganda unchallenged is effective on large segments of the population. Hitler used it, Lenin and Stalin used it, Mao used it, Castro and bin Laden still use it and so does the post Reagan Republican Party. And if you disagree with Rush, you have to apologize to him on air - just ask the GOP national chairment Michael Steele.

Tea baggers, birthers, Tim McVeigh - I see little difference.

Calling Rush & co. the liars they are is not small, it is accurate and necessary.

Posted by: Fiscal-Conservative | October 20, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse


Who will not this Radical Administration attack with Alinsky style politics? The Chamber of Commerce, Insurance Companies, Doctors, Wall Street, Banks, Car Companies, Oil and Coal Companies, Profit in general, News organizations, Talk Radio, Anyone that disagrees with them, The Constitution. This is what you get when you have an unknown Street Agitator with a very shady past whose only known associations are Radicals, Racists, Communists and South Chicago Thugs. A White House that is in fact hiding something, defensive and whose intentions are to weaken America and install a Central Controlling State Govt. This White House and Shadow Govt of Communist Czars is fraudulent, unseemly with zero credibility.

2010 & 12 cannot come soon enough!

Posted by: FraudObama | October 20, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Marcus is hardly a non-partisan in this and just as only Nixon could go to China, maybe Marcus is the only one (or other liberal columnists like her)that can tell the Obama administration they have no clothes on. I find it heartening that liberals are trying their best to point out to this liberal administration they are blowing it each and every day. What amazes me (although it shouldn't)is how arrogant and blind these "best and brightest" are to their own constituency.

Posted by: tomb5 | October 20, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama's communications director said one her two heroes is Mao, the former leader of the Communist Party of China. Mao slaughtered over 30 million opponents to silence the opposition. Many were cannibalized by Mao supporters. What does that say about the Obama Administration.

Giving the benefit of the doubt to a criminal only sets you up for the crime. The same applies to the Democratic Party and Obama. Giving them room to accomplish their goals won't do you any good.

Posted by: bob59 | October 20, 2009 2:33 PM
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This is a classic example of how FOX takes advantage of the ignorant. Just omit certain information and these idiots believe it.

Continuing Fox News' witch hunt against members of the Obama administration, both Glenn Beck and Special Report misleadingly cropped White House communications director Anita Dunn's remarks at a high school graduation ceremony to falsely claim that she was, in Beck's words, "proclaiming Mao [Zedong] as ... the man that she turns to most." In fact, Dunn actually said that Mao and Mother Theresa were "the two people that I turn to most to basically deliver a simple point, which is, you're going to make choices" [emphasis added].

Look it up for yourself.

Posted by: sherardg | October 20, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Marcus,
You wrote "The Obama administration’s war on Fox News is dumb on multiple levels.". No, your article is dump on multiple levels. Why? To begin with, Fox is not a news outlet at all, but it is an instrument in the hands of neoconservatives to cultivate ignorance among Americans so they can win elections. Obama and his White House (and in fact every president) have the duty to oppose ignorance by refuting the lies of Fox, Kristol, Krauthammer and the like. Liberal democracy is a also a cultivation of good citizenship by education (yes education) so people can make informed decisions on their country's present and future.

Posted by: KerimOusman | October 20, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Conventional wisdom would have it that the White House is making a big mistake by going after the propaganda machine. I beg to defer. That would be true if Fixed Noise was a news organization. The whole News Corp organization is a hit job, a shill for the Republican Party. Trust me it's working. It's Willie Horton part II. Otherwise, the Fixed Noise morons would not have complained about it.

Posted by: fgerald0204 | October 20, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Rev (God Damn America!) Wright, Resko, ACORN, Pfleger, Khalidi, Meeks, Lowery, Alinsky, MoveOn, Soros, Ayers, Davis, Gates, Tax Cheats, Black Liberation, Black Panthers, Communist Party, Marxists, Van Jones, Radical Czars, Mao, Dunn, Union Thugs, anti Constitutionalists, anti Capitalists, the angry bitter Michelle Soetoro, etc, etc....seems to be a common thread.

As Barry has said..."Judge me by who I surround myself with"

OK.

Posted by: FraudObama | October 20, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

SO now we have to start asking permission to say what we feel? Just who is OBAMA ANYWAY, he is the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES and if he screw$ up why shouldn't that be reported. THE NEWS MEDIA had a field day when BUSH was in office, THEY PRACTICALLY CRUCIFIED THE MAN and his administration. Now all of a sudden it is not POLITICALLY CORRECT to say anything BAD ABOUT OBAMA. HE IS NOT GOD people. although many of you THINK HE IS, those of you who think that way ARE TRULY IN NEED OF A MENTAL CHECK UP. The man has in fact $CREWED UP BIG TIME, All you have to do is ask yourself if you are better off NOW or say 2 1/2 years ago, BE HONEST, if you are CONGRATULATIONS, your either in the BANKING BUSINESS or AUTO INDUSTRY and got some of the BAIL OUT MONEY. JUST ASK the millions who are out of work or those whose pay has been cut, or those who due to no fault of their own are losing their homes. ALL YOU OBAMA LVOERS WAKE UP, and if you don;t like what the news media has to say CHANGE THE STATION. ITs about time they started reporting on EVERYONE and not just the REPUBLICANS, they are NOW STARTING TO REPORT ALL THE NEWS!!!

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Posted by: tropicalfolk | October 20, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

The FOX news story is just a DISTRACTION so dumb people will be preoccupied with it instead of real issues!!!!
Like:
THE ECONOMY - and the unemployment rate
THE WARS - our troops need more help or get the hell out of there
HEALTHCARE REFORM - bankrupting our children instead of tort reform- true reform.
CLIMATE CHANGE BILL - the biggest tax on our people (indirectly and secretly) it sounds so good- until you actually read the bill here is one version of it: H.R.2454 - American Clean Energy And Security Act of 2009

YEP, THE WHITE HOUSE DOESN'T WANT THE PEOPLE TO REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE UP TO SO THEY ARE DISTRACTING US WITH THIS PETTY outlandish squabble! Who Cares!!!!!!!!

Posted by: LeeYu | October 20, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

FraudObama Wrote:
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 28% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -12. The Approval Index rating has been lower only on two days since the current President took office.
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Lol Fox local news in Philly says his approval ratings are 51% to 48% with 1% being margin of error. Your full of crap your numbers don't even add up to 99% like most news outlets do...and well look at the difference between national fox news numbers and local fox news reporting on the same thing.

Posted by: necromx | October 20, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

The FOX news story is just a DISTRACTION so dumb people will be preoccupied with it instead of real issues!!!!
Like:
THE ECONOMY - and the unemployment rate
THE WARS - our troops need more help or get the hell out of there
HEALTHCARE REFORM - bankrupting our children instead of tort reform- true reform.
CLIMATE CHANGE BILL - the biggest tax on our people (indirectly and secretly) it sounds so good- until you actually read the bill here is one version of it: H.R.2454 - American Clean Energy And Security Act of 2009

YEP, THE WHITE HOUSE DOESN'T WANT THE PEOPLE TO REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE UP TO SO THEY ARE DISTRACTING US WITH THIS PETTY outlandish squabble! Who Cares!!!!!!!!

Posted by: LeeYu | October 20, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

This column is way off base in it's understanding of the reasons FOX was called out by the WHite House. There is a BIG difference between partisanship and outright manufactured reporting. MSNBC swings left, but FOX creates stories and intentionally reports false facts. Those who compare this to Nixon/WaPo days, dont get it. WaPo is not Fox and Obama is a far cry from Nixon. Quit making excuses for FOX News. This not an Obama thing, this is about integrity. Its just too bad there are Americans who are so gullible. And someone please let me know where I can find a left wing newscast?

Posted by: dcnyave | October 20, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Rev (God Damn America!) Wright, Resko, ACORN, Pfleger, Khalidi, Meeks, Lowery, Alinsky, MoveOn, Soros, Ayers, Davis, Gates, Tax Cheats, Black Liberation, Black Panthers, Communist Party, Marxists, Van Jones, Radical Czars, Mao, Dunn, Union Thugs, anti Constitutionalists, anti Capitalists, the angry bitter Michelle Soetoro, etc, etc....seems to be a common thread.

As Barry has said..."Judge me by who I surround myself with"

OK.

Posted by: FraudObama | October 20, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse
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I got one

DICK CHENEY - HALLIBURTON - OVER 4,500 DEAD AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS KILLED IN IRAQ, THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS MAIMED

CAN YOU TOP THAT?

TOP THAT.

Posted by: sherardg | October 20, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Wow, we really need to just disestablish our Department of Education. Our government (federal and local) has really failed in this effort (educating kids). All these bed-wetting liberals who worship Obama and his ilk are sad. What an unbelieveably warped sense of the world and what the relationship between government and the people should be. I guess years of being brainwashed about how evil america is, what you're entitled to, and how to vilify all who disagree with you can really distort your ability to grasp reality. These people who want to legalize drugs and march in peace protests somehow also find time to praise and follow Stalin, Mao, Castro, and Chavez. How can you claim to be educated when you follow leaders who openly and actively advocate for dictators who ran brutal systems responsible for the murder of over 100 million people. I know you want to call conservatives Nazis but that's a tired old tactic that just won't pass the smell test. There's just no sensible link there. Freedom beats entitlement any day and will always result in the highest level of security and prosperity for everyone. Government has a purpose but this one is far too expanded and needs to shrink. I'm not sure any self serving politician will push for that to happen but I'm confident that it will happen. There are some things people will not sit idly by and allow to be taken away. I don't care if you like Fox News or not. We need more, not less, media to devote 24 hours a day to exposing the fraud, corruption and ineffectiveness of our massive government.

Posted by: AfghanVeteran | October 20, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Fox should change their name to Pravda and be done with it.

Posted by: gipper01 | October 20, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse


And here is the oppressive Barry Administration in full bloom...

KINSTON, N.C. | Voters in this small city decided overwhelmingly last year to do away with the party affiliation of candidates in local elections, but the Obama administration recently overruled the electorate and decided that equal rights for black voters cannot be achieved without the Democratic Party.

The Justice Department's ruling, which affects races for City Council and mayor, went so far as to say partisan elections are needed so that black voters can elect their "candidates of choice" - identified by the department as those who are Democrats and almost exclusively black.

The department ruled that white voters in Kinston will vote for blacks only if they are Democrats and that therefore the city cannot get rid of party affiliations for local elections because that would violate black voters' right to elect the candidates they want.


Posted by: FraudObama | October 20, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Wow everyone here on Bush's nuts. He screwed it up for the past 8 years and you expect Obama to fix it in less than a year....

Posted by: necromx | October 20, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Fox "News" motto: "We deceive, You believe".

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I think that ALL of the media outlets would do well to remember that "Freedom of the Press" is a very precious thing, and if any administration is attempting to convince one or more media outlet(s) to ostracize any other outlet(s), they themselves (media) might very well be the next one that is targeted by that particular administration.

A very dangerous precedent is being attempted here, and the current administration (and future ones, as well) would be wise to remember that this is a FREE country, and all of her citizens are allowed to speak their minds, regardless of whether they are in agreement or in dissent.

Many people have made the ultimate sacrifice to ensure that we ALL enjoy this freedom, and to suggest that this freedom should be curtailed is an insult to their honor and to their memory.

Posted by: teresakoch | October 20, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

numbers28:

Barack Obama is also protected by the 1st Amendment, true. However, I feel elected representatives, chief among them the President of the United States, should be held to both higher and different standards than political commentators. Glenn Beck's job is to comment on politics. The job of the executive branch is to administrate. Attacking private citizens and news providers for holding contrary political views, and exhorting other members of the press to do the same, falls outside the scope of governing. And again, remember that in 2012, or 2016, or 2020, or 2024... a Republican president may feel equally entitled to single out for public attack the Washington Post, or CNN, or another "liberal" news provider. I feel certain that the issue would then take on entirely new meaning for you.

None of my heroes are fake cowboys from Texas, by the way, but to your larger point there is a vast difference between a sitting President choosing to grant interviews with less hostile reporters... and publicly attempting to disgrace and marginalize those reporters from the lawn of the White House.

Your post, in response to my own, contained insults and ad hominen attacks. This response to you does not. I hope it helps to illustrate the difference between appropriate and inappropriate forms of dialogue.

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Posted by: tropicalfolk | October 20, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Get a clue!

All news media slant their reporting to serve their ideological and business interests.

Dan Rather was so desperate to keep Bush out of the White House that he tried to influence the election by cooking up a false document and then lying about it.

And when Obama had $900 million to spend on the campaign did anyone truely believe the news would be reported impartialy?

The wise citizen samples a wide spectrum of news outlets in order to get a picture of the truth.

The party apparatchiks bray about how Fox or CNN is partisan and insist that only one source reports the truth.

Posted by: krankyman | October 20, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

White House admits: We 'control' news media

Communications chief offers shocking confession to foreign government

TEL AVIV – President Obama's presidential campaign focused on "making" the news media cover certain issues while rarely communicating anything to the press unless it was "controlled," White House Communications Director Anita Dunn disclosed to the Dominican government at a videotaped conference.

"Very rarely did we communicate through the press anything that we didn't absolutely control," said Dunn.

"One of the reasons we did so many of the David Plouffe videos was not just for our supporters, but also because it was a way for us to get our message out without having to actually talk to reporters," said Dunn, referring to Plouffe, who was Obama's chief campaign manager.

"We just put that out there and made them write what Plouffe had said as opposed to Plouffe doing an interview with a reporter. So it was very much we controlled it as opposed to the press controlled it," Dunn said.

Continued Dunn: "Whether it was a David Plouffe video or an Obama speech, a huge part of our press strategy was focused on making the media cover what Obama was actually saying as opposed to why the campaign was saying it, what the tactic was. … Making the press cover what we were saying."

Posted by: FraudObama | October 20, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

FraudObama Wrote:
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 28% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -12. The Approval Index rating has been lower only on two days since the current President took office.
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The fraudulent one is a LIAR by profession. His numbers are as good as the garbage that is spewed from the swamp that is the voice of the neo-con, neo-nazi, neo-facist white supremacist Grand nO Party, FAUXNEWS (FALSE NEWS for you French challenged). YOU LIE!

Posted by: numbers28 | October 20, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

MS MARCUS, YOUR SLIP IS SHOWING
DO YOU WORK FOR FOX PART TIME OR SOMETHING.
FOX AHS SLANDERED THE WHITE HOUSE AND HTE PRESIDENT, EVEN EDITED VIDEO TO MAKE THE PRESIDENTS STATEMENTS SEEM TO SUPPROT 9/11 DENYERS....
CALELD THE PRESIDENT WHO HAS A WHITE MOM HE LOVED AND CHERISHED WHO WAS TAKEN AWAY FORM HIM AT AN EARLY AGE, THEY CAKLL THIS WELL ROUNDED GUY A RACIST AND STATE HE HATES WHITE PEOPLE....WHAT A FREAKIGN CROCK.
IT IS NOT NEWS NOT INVESTIGATIVE AND LACKS INTEGRITY.
IT WOUDL BE DIFFERENT IF THEY KNOCKED THE PRES ON REAL ISSUES BASED ON FACTS

Posted by: mjtaylor22 | October 20, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Fox is not a "fair and balanced" news outlet but pretends to be. It isn't even the Republican party they try to benefit...it is the political and financial objectives of owner Murdoch. The White House is right to take Murdoch on, and I am glad they have the guts to do it.

Posted by: gposner | October 20, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama sure can dish it out, but like any other bully simply cannot take it. Reminds one of the story of the man that would not
fight a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

Posted by: tucanofulano | October 20, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

numbers28:

Barack Obama is also protected by the 1st Amendment, true. However, I feel elected representatives, chief among them the President of the United States, should be held to both higher and different standards than political commentators. Glenn Beck's job is to comment on politics. The job of the executive branch is to administrate. Attacking private citizens and news providers for holding contrary political views, and exhorting other members of the press to do the same, falls outside the scope of governing. And again, remember that in 2012, or 2016, or 2020, or 2024... a Republican president may feel equally entitled to single out for public attack the Washington Post, or CNN, or another "liberal" news provider. I feel certain that the issue would then take on entirely new meaning for you.
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This would hold water if Glen "Stir Crazy" Beck truly commented on politics, but all he does is to LIE! Your fears are unwarranted, because educated folks will pickup on a challenge to the real press. Your FAUXNEWS is not a press outlet, it is a hack job stocked with the most hate filled lards, this side of Limpballs' hate AM radio.

Posted by: numbers28 | October 20, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"Dumb war on Fox News".

Right.

Dumb post, Ruth.

Posted by: RonS2 | October 20, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama's "enemies list" is already longer than Nixon's ever was.

Posted by: tucanofulano | October 20, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

there are sum dummies commenting and defendign fox

Posted by: mjtaylor22 | October 20, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

rmosco wrote:
"Cable Companies who title their programming as NEWS should be neutral in their reporting.I have no problem with a cable company being partisan as long as they don't use the title "NEWS.They do not dispense the NEWS,they are advocating a political point of view and as such their programs should be so identified."

I totally agree. We need to find something besides news to call whatever it is Fox presents as news. Calling it news is an affront to the Edward R Murrows and Walter Cronkites of the world and shakes our faith in real news. There is always "Fox Spin", but anything other than "news" would be preferable. If we lower our standards to their level, we deserve what we get.

Posted by: JimZ1 | October 20, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that the White House is out of line at all. Fox News is inappropriately named - it's not news when you make stuff up. Maybe it's tabloid news, but it's not even close to being reputable. Day in and day out, Rupert Murdoch has waged a full out smear campaign on the President. Obama isn't trying to shut them down - he's just not going to play their game. Period.

Posted by: borntorun45 | October 20, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse


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Posted by: sherardg | October 20, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

tropicalfolk forgets all the mercenary goons that your hero hired to kill, maim, and destroy around Iraq for the robber oil barons. Why don't you bring up the Halliburtons and other slime that the fake cowboy from Texas hired in our name. I'm glad that they will lose their power as did their wimp cowboy!

Posted by: numbers28 | October 20, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Good to see that our hard earned tax dollars that go to the department of education are being put to good use.
Don't worry about a good education, Obama will make us ALLLLLL equal regardless of what we contribute or how hard we work (or don't).
WAKE UP!!!!!

"there are sum dummies commenting and defendign fox

Posted by: mjtaylor22 | October 20, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse"

Posted by: Ohhowpeopleforget | October 20, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

So if Glenn Beck is just a commentator then why does he report "news." I have tuned in a few times and what I saw was a bad case of attempted investigative journalism done without adhering to any journalistic standards.

He gives himself license to practice bad journalism by saying "I'm just an opinion guy." If it walks like duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck no matter what you call it.

Posted by: philosopher911 | October 20, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Of course EVERY radio, TV, and newspaper is biased. Obama just is too juvenile to take a few insults, so his plan is to destroy Freedom of Speech (including Freedom of the Press) and set up a "Federal (Obama) Department of News Control and Propaganda" along the line Dr. Goebbels used in the 30's and 40's.

Posted by: tucanofulano | October 20, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I've always thought Fox did the best of all the cable and networks in reporting The News. Many times I disagree with their Opinion shows and, in fact, for the most part, do not watch them. I wonder how many of the persons writing the Comments here have ever watched The News when the famous 'conservatives' Jaun Williams or Mara Liasson of NPR appear.

Finally and simply put, the Whitehouse needs to grow up.

Posted by: anclmm | October 20, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Time to hand off the Middle East back to Rupe Murdock and the Brits that gave it to the USA in 1947..

They broke it and we are still breaking it..

ISA

Posted by: Issa1 | October 20, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

John who?


Once A treasonist, always in support of a treaonist act.
No wonder he supports Obama.

You know, the media outlet that busts open the illegally closed intel, is going to be rich without LUAU koolaide.

Posted by: dottydo | October 20, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I've always thought Fox did the best of all the cable and networks in reporting The News. Many times I disagree with their Opinion shows and, in fact, for the most part, do not watch them. I wonder how many of the persons writing the Comments here have ever watched The News when the famous 'conservatives' Jaun Williams or Mara Liasson of NPR appear.

Finally and simply put, the Whitehouse needs to grow up.

Posted by: anclmm | October 20, 2009 3:24 PM
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Posted by: sherardg | October 20, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama will not sit down and talk with Chris Wallace, but he will sit down and talk with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Hmmmm.

Posted by: MikeN3 | October 20, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: tropicalfolk | October 20, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I've always thought Fox did the best of all the cable and networks in reporting The News. Many times I disagree with their Opinion shows and, in fact, for the most part, do not watch them. I wonder how many of the persons writing the Comments here have ever watched The News when the famous 'conservatives' Jaun Williams or Mara Liasson of NPR appear.

Finally and simply put, the Whitehouse needs to grow up.

Posted by: anclmm | October 20, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

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WOW 2 against all of FOX..
With that they can claim bi-partisanship!!

The White House is grown up.
Tried of the crap
and so is the public.

The Aussies and Brits warned us of Murdock. The GOP must payback Murdock billions..

Murdock needs to be investigated..
GOP needs to be investigated.
Already they are assassinating and murdering people..

ISA

Posted by: Issa1 | October 20, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

John who?


Once A treasonist, always in support of a treaonist act.
No wonder he supports Obama.

The media outlet and reporter that busts open the illegally closed intel, is going to be rich without any LUAU koolaide.

Posted by: dottydo | October 20, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I've always thought Fox did the best of all the cable and networks in reporting The News. Many times I disagree with their Opinion shows and, in fact, for the most part, do not watch them. I wonder how many of the persons writing the Comments here have ever watched The News when the famous 'conservatives' Jaun Williams or Mara Liasson of NPR appear.

Finally and simply put, the Whitehouse needs to grow up.

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Oh by the way Jaun Williams is not a Conservative. He is the de facto liberal who is suppose to represent us. But they have given him the carrot and now the stick. ., play the game as safe as possible.
After all, the rewards of doing the master’s wishes are enormous! No, you don’t get your own show, but you get to share the stage, like substituting for O'Reilly (occasionally), with some of the world’s most fascistic-minded pundits ever seen.Williams has, over the years, found it very hard to dissent from Fox News’ unregulated hatred of black people. His ability to remain at the service of his bosses has earned him a special place in O’Reilly's and Hannity’s hearts. A frequent analyst, he is prone to say what he feels is compatible with Fox News’ racist identity. As the African American go-to guy for black-bashing, immigrant-bashing, Iraqi-bashing, Williams knows his role and plays it well. A couple of nights back, on the O’Reilly factor, Williams showed why he’s, after all, Fox News’ golden black boy.

Posted by: sherardg | October 20, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Obama will not sit down and talk with Chris Wallace, but he will sit down and talk with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Hmmmm.

Posted by: MikeN3 | October 20, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse
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Posted by: Issa1 | October 20, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

How typical of media mavens like Ruth Marcus to close ranks when one of their own (and a possible future employer) is threatened.

The Obama administration's strategy of loudly and openly delegitimizing Fox News is brilliant. They have no credibility except with the 20% of this country that constitute the birthers, wingnuts and xenophobes.

Incidentally this is the same 20% who thought until the dying days of the Bush administration that W was a genius and everything was going swell with Cheney and Junior in control.

Posted by: sambam | October 20, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

sherardg - at least SOMEONE is reporting it. hmm...it comes out on fox and guess what? two weeks later the others have caught the wind and realize that fox was right.

look, you live in the USA. freedom of speech. freedom of press. someone wants to broadcast something they can. don't like it? go live elsewhere and stop trying to change our country.

Socialism is un-American

Posted by: NewLibertarian | October 20, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: tropicalfolk | October 20, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

If I was President Obama, I would have not only stopped going to this news channel but would have started an inquiry into FCC violation of lies and misleading the public on a daily bases atleast 50 times a day.

They are luckly that Obama is a civilized man to their uncivilized thinking....otherwise their is more then one way to skin a cat

Posted by: Roism007 | October 20, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

If I was President Obama, I would have not only stopped going to this news channel but would have started an inquiry into FCC violation of lies and misleading the public on a daily bases atleast 50 times a day.

They are luckly that Obama is a civilized man to their uncivilized thinking....otherwise their is more then one way to skin a cat

Posted by: Roism007 | October 20, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Comments from people deriding Fox as a news outlet paint themselves with the same brush that Dunn and Gibbs have used on themselves. That is to say, they show themselves to be unbalanced and immature followers of the party line. Don't confuse political opinion with news, certainly. But don't lump the whole network in with Glenn Beck and/or Sean Hannity. What is so wrong with having a venue for conservative commentary? Does anyone make the claim that MSNBC should taken off? I wouldn't let a perv like "tingle-up-my-leg" Matthews near my kids, but let me say that as a conservative Constitutionalist and fair-minded person (imho) I think that the availability of differing viewpoints is a good thing. It is plainly unconstitutional and downright fascist to try and dictate to the American populace what is and is not a news agency. Dunn, et al, demonstrate the Republican viewpoint that Obama is not yet ready for the big leagues. His staff is plainly juvenile and possibly Stalinist in their approach to opposition.

Posted by: tdavis11 | October 20, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

It is sad that so many people commenting here are completely missing the point.

There is no problem with Obama or his administration not cooperating with Fox, not being available for interviews, etc...

The problem arises when Administration officials have to attack Fox in other Media Outlets. Don't agree to interviews, but definitely do not attack the Interviewer because you did not provide a response, and don't like the message they are communicating do to your lack of cooperation.

Posted by: Smoke_and_Mirrors | October 20, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

When Ruth becomes as scathing of Fox News as she is of the Obama administration, then I will take her little tirades seriously. In the meantime, Fox has done nothing to merit consideration from any Democrat and should not be treated like an actual news organization.

Posted by: Ladyrantsalot | October 20, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Funny the libs are crying about what they read in the Washington Post. The place they usually find nothing but Bush bashing/blaming and intentional igorance to any failings by the Prez.

So the Prez and his media machine can blame Bush for everything since he took office, accuse the CIA of war crimes, hire scum like Van Jones, promote a criminal enterprise like ACORN BUT when someone like FOX questions him or finds fault with his actions they are under attack.

It is good to know that the folks on the right will be there to pick up the pieces of America after the koolaid drinkers take that last sip and lay down for a long nap!

Posted by: fink09 | October 20, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

In the democracy that is America, the President is free to choose whom he grants interviews to, at the same time that Fox News (and its ilk) are free to say what they want about him. I don't see what compels the President and his advisers to grant exclusive interviews to organizations they don't like (and which obviously don't like him). Enough said.

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Posted by: tropicalfolk | October 20, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

As anyone even remotely familiar with the rise of the American Radical Right can attest, destroying the credibility of the mainstsream press as an authoritative source of news and opinion has been one of the principle building blocks of the conservatiave movement. That effort continues without interruption today, as is evidenced by the repeated attacks against the "far left" mainstsream media that even casual viewers of FOX will recognize. Since FOX regularly identifies itself as "the only network that does REAL journalism," that obviously suggests that FOX believes CNN, MSNBC and the rest are not "real" news organizations. So, it seems strange that a.) FOX would be outraged when the White House behaves towards FOX just as FOX behaves toward everyone else and B.) that Ruth Marcus would lend the presige of the Washington Post to FOX's effort to disparage and discredit the rest of America's media, including the WaPo.

Posted by: TedFrier | October 20, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Ruth is right. Fox News does have a broader audience than the right wing. I am a Democrat and I love Fox News, its CNN and MSNBC I can't stand.

Posted by: shewholives | October 20, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

@ fraudobama & tropicalfolk:

BRAVO - you both are absolutely right!!

Posted by: american17 | October 20, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

tucanofulano wrote:

Of course EVERY radio, TV, and newspaper is biased. Obama just is too juvenile to take a few insults, so his plan is to destroy Freedom of Speech (including Freedom of the Press) and set up a "Federal (Obama) Department of News Control and Propaganda" along the line Dr. Goebbels used in the 30's and 40's.
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It's really juvenile for FAUXNEWS and their goons to show up at the POTUS' events armed to the teeth. Can you imagine a few Black Panthers showing up at your hero, the fake cowboy from Texas' events? They would be arrested for crimes against the state or threatening the POTUS. You rethugs are without conscience and without morals!

Posted by: numbers28 | October 20, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

VERY WELL STATED

"Comments from people deriding Fox as a news outlet paint themselves with the same brush that Dunn and Gibbs have used on themselves. That is to say, they show themselves to be unbalanced and immature followers of the party line. Don't confuse political opinion with news, certainly. But don't lump the whole network in with Glenn Beck and/or Sean Hannity. What is so wrong with having a venue for conservative commentary? Does anyone make the claim that MSNBC should taken off? I wouldn't let a perv like "tingle-up-my-leg" Matthews near my kids, but let me say that as a conservative Constitutionalist and fair-minded person (imho) I think that the availability of differing viewpoints is a good thing. It is plainly unconstitutional and downright fascist to try and dictate to the American populace what is and is not a news agency. Dunn, et al, demonstrate the Republican viewpoint that Obama is not yet ready for the big leagues. His staff is plainly juvenile and possibly Stalinist in their approach to opposition."

Posted by: Ohhowpeopleforget | October 20, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Comparing "Fox News" to "MSNBC" is non-sense.

"Fox News" by its name claims to be "News"

"MSNBC" by its name is simply "MicroSoft Network/National Broadcasting Company"

"Fox News" has the slogan "Fair And Balanced" which hints at how it claims to cover the news.

MSNBC's slogan has nothing to do with "News" on the contrary it acknowledges it has a commentary perspective.
"The Place For Politics"

So while "Fox NEWS" claims to be "Fair And Balanced" in its NEWS coverage.

MSNBC never claims to be a news channel; simply "The Place For Politics".

In summing up, I quote Stephen Colbert who said: "We all know 'reality' has a well known liberal bias."

Posted by: mcgrupp10799 | October 20, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse


shewholives wrote:

Ruth is right. Fox News does have a broader audience than the right wing. I am a Democrat and I love Fox News, its CNN and MSNBC I can't stand.
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If you are a democrat, my chickens love Col. Sanders. YOU LIE, because you are a birther, a deather, a tenther, an ultra racist, and dumber than joe the plumber. YOU LIE!

Posted by: numbers28 | October 20, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

sherardg - at least SOMEONE is reporting it. hmm...it comes out on fox and guess what? two weeks later the others have caught the wind and realize that fox was right.

look, you live in the USA. freedom of speech. freedom of press. someone wants to broadcast something they can. don't like it? go live elsewhere and stop trying to change our country.

Socialism is un-American

Posted by: NewLibertarian | October 20, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse
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Whats wrong? Poor little FOX got it feelings hurt because that President called it a name. Alll. Poor baby !! And a bad name at that. Illegitimate!!! A Farce !!! Nothing more than an soap opera with its new star and Diva, cry baby Beck.

Who is the crybaby? - FOX

Look at them crying all night last night trying to prove the are legitimate. Its laughable. As of course here comes the freedom, and patriot and American and Socialism, Marxism, communism, and any other "ism. b.s. from his flag waving fans. Oh only they are true Americans, because the listen to FOX. I must admit, they do a great job brainwashing folks.

Oh and FOX is the only networks that "it comes out on fox and guess what? two weeks later the others have caught the wind and realize that fox was right"?

Some examples please.

Oh you mean like:

Back in August Long Island Resident and mother of three, Nancy Genovese was arrested for taking photos of an Air Force base while carrying XM-15 assault rifle, a shotgun, and 500 rounds of ammunition. And it seems that this wasn’t the first time that she was caught in the act. Is she some radical Al Qaeda member who is embarking on a jihad which seeks to destroy Christian America? Why Sean Hannity would be calling for the immediate incaceration of every Muslim within a radius of 1,000 miles, Bill O’Reilly (who blacklisted a Seattle newspaper because they didn't publish photos of those who turned out not to be terrorists) would blame liberals, and Glenn Beck would bray about this being proof of the end of days. Uh – no. In fact turns out she is a big fan of Glenn Beck and is convinced that FEMA concentration camps are being built as we speak. So the fair and balance station did not broadcast this.

Or

Fox Nation just cooked up a "what if" scenario and trumpeted it as front page news. Under the "Hot Topics," at the top of the Fox Nation website, the second-from-the-top headline blares, "Did a former Obama official kill Limbaugh's NFL bid?" If Fox Nation found any evidence that there was any real connection to Obama, the "we report, you decide" folks kept it to themselves.

And on and on.


Why would a President want to go this “entertainment station”.


Posted by: sherardg | October 20, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Do your research brother... the picture of the guy with the gun at a President Obama speech was a black man. Many of your "noteworthy and legitimate new agencies" doctored that picture to simply show the protestor as a gun toting person.... which led to cries of racism and biggots etc. If you view the full picture...the guy with the weapon strapped to his back was in fact a black man... please don't trust everything you see on YOUR news organization either.

"It's really juvenile for FAUXNEWS and their goons to show up at the POTUS' events armed to the teeth. Can you imagine a few Black Panthers showing up at your hero, the fake cowboy from Texas' events? They would be arrested for crimes against the state or threatening the POTUS. You rethugs are without conscience and without morals!


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Posted by: Ohhowpeopleforget | October 20, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Well, I would love to read all the comments but I have work to do before my favorite Foxnews program comes on at 5 PM
www.glennbeck.com ThaNK GOD for Glenn...Love you

Posted by: teefrtwo | October 20, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

That's it, Ruth Marcus. You are now irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. If you can't grasp basic reality, why should I pay any attention to you? And I won't.

Posted by: edfunk1 | October 20, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

King George would have considered the Boston Gazette an illegitimate news outlet. Especially after the issue printed on October 7, 1776.

The introduction of a Bill of Rights which protects a free press is a testament to the courage of the early American leadership.

If only the current leadership of the United States seemed to possess the same courage.

Posted by: JSmitan | October 20, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Well, I would love to read all the comments but I have work to do before my favorite Foxnews program comes on at 5 PM
www.glennbeck.com ThaNK GOD for Glenn...Love you

Posted by: teefrtwo | October 20, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

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Get a room

Preferably padded.

And lots of Kleenex. I predict crocodile tears tonight.

L.O.L.

Posted by: sherardg | October 20, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

VERY WELL STATED

"Comments from people deriding Fox as a news outlet paint themselves with the same brush that Dunn and Gibbs have used on themselves. That is to say, they show themselves to be unbalanced and immature followers of the party line. Don't confuse political opinion with news, certainly. But don't lump the whole network in with Glenn Beck and/or Sean Hannity. What is so wrong with having a venue for conservative commentary? Does anyone make the claim that MSNBC should taken off? I wouldn't let a perv like "tingle-up-my-leg" Matthews near my kids, but let me say that as a conservative Constitutionalist and fair-minded person (imho) I think that the availability of differing viewpoints is a good thing. It is plainly unconstitutional and downright fascist to try and dictate to the American populace what is and is not a news agency. Dunn, et al, demonstrate the Republican viewpoint that Obama is not yet ready for the big leagues. His staff is plainly juvenile and possibly Stalinist in their approach to opposition."

More accurately: POORLY STATED and POORLY REASONED.

1. Why call yourself a "News" channel, when in reality you only have two hours of real hard news on any given day? Most of Fox's programming are opinion shows. Even the morning show pumps a political agenda -- the people who run the show aren't journalists. It's "business" reporting is of the far-right variety too.

2. It is downright "fascist" to express an opinion? Hell no it isn't. Fox is free to spread lies and disinformation, and the idiots who take it seriously are free to believe it. The White House is also absolutely free to call Fox out for labeling itself a "news" channel as well. It is under no more obligation to give access to Fox than it is under an obligation to give access to the National Enquirer. Just because Fox self-identifies itself as a "news" channel doesn't mean that it is, or that it needs to be treated as such.

3. There is nothing wrong with having opinion shows -- provided that they are labeled as such. What gets people who actually have journalistic standards is the blatant lie that Fox is somehow "fair and balanced" or that it's a "news channel". It's neither.

4. The Obama approach is "possibly Stalinist"? I mean, come on. I'm sure you were saying the same thing when Dana Perino went after NBC, or when Bush press secretaries, Rove, and Cheney went after critics in the press. No, of course you weren't, because you're a hypocrite.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Its okay. Obama's constituency is the immature. They like it when their immaturity is validated. Look at the pre-Obama comments here.

Posted by: aloysius1 | October 20, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I don't agree with you Ms. Marcus. Fox is not fair and not balanced and it is biased in its reporting of anything and everything (redundant yes, like Fox). I can’t stand to watch it now. They are not journalist, they are pundits. They are commentators, just as you are, commentators who have opinions, which is legitimate. But when it comes to the reporting of the “news”, the “news” should not be filled with your “opinion” of the event(s). I get better "news" coverage from my local news station. The Administration should put Fox on the defensive and stop being spineless reactionaries (aka Democrats) when it comes to conservative talking points. Why don't you, Ms. Marcus, let Fox defend itself. If Fox is reporting the "News" then they should have nothing to be afraid of coming from a “… weak… childish and petty” Administration as you so eloquently reported. To compare the White House to Glenn Beck is also a giant leap of faith on your part. Just as this article is purely an opinion piece (as it should be), this is how Fox should label its reporting of “news”.

Posted by: hyphen_va | October 20, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

It distracts attention from the Obama administration’s substantive message; it serves to help Fox, not punish it, by driving up ratings; and it deprives the White House, to the extent it refuses to provide administration officials to appear on the cable network, of access to an audience that is, in fact, broader than hard-core Obama haters.

Indeed! What proof do you have of these statements? None. The fact is Obama is right about Fox.

Posted by: gtoney55 | October 20, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

It's hard for me to think the Obama administration is going to win this one. Pick your battles, dudes. The more the White House bashes, the more the public thinks it needs to tune in to see what is so bad that it deserves bashing from the highest office in the land.

Result: more viewers for Fox and a loss for the administration. Not a smart move.

Posted by: edbyronadams | October 20, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

This post in one of hundreds and is not likely to get read by anyone, but my Burkian bent forces me to respond to Ms. Marcus. This alleged moral equivalency between Fox and MSNBC is flatly wrong. Beck, Hannity, and O'Reily intentionally misstate facts. Please tell me when Olbermann, Maddow, or Matthews did that. In fact, last night Maddow apologized for a non-inflammatory factual mistake. Have you ever heard Beck or Hannity do that? In other words, Ruth, its not the slant of commentary that bothers me. It's the lying demagoguery. Why are you folks in the media defending these practices? Maybe, you are just not used to Democrats showing any backbone.

Posted by: BBear1 | October 20, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Fox is the only news outlet that can keep the administration honest.

If some of the other outlets had any brains, they would realize that competing amongst themselves for half of the audience and leaving the other half to Murdoch is stupid. Once the mainstream media loses its liberal bias, Fox will become irrelevant. Until it does, Murdoch will be laughing all the way to the bank (while the rest of the news outlets beg the administration for a bailout to avoid bankruptcy)

Posted by: sold2u | October 20, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

The deceptive arrogant Barry ACORN Soetoro, his Radical Socialist Tax Cheat Administration and Shadow Govt of Communist Czars has become toxic. Dem Congressional members are beginning to distant themselves from him. Voters certainly are as well and will not forget who and what party passed the Stimulus Scam, hung the most unimaginable debt on the people, apologized for the Country on foreign soil at every opportunity, bowed to Saudi Kings, inflamed racism and class envy, demonized profit and corporations, has completely lacked leadership, catered to most corrupt lobbyist groups - ACORN & Unions, is a Soros puppet, and irresponsibly and ineffectively have tried to Nationalize Health Care while accusing those that disagreed as Un-American.

2010 & 12 cannot come soon enough.

Posted by: FraudObama | October 20, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

t's hard for me to think the Obama administration is going to win this one. Pick your battles, dudes. The more the White House bashes, the more the public thinks it needs to tune in to see what is so bad that it deserves bashing from the highest office in the land.

Result: more viewers for Fox and a loss for the administration. Not a smart move.

Hey:
JPRS | October 20, 2009 4:09 PM |

Well said.

As for Bill O'Reilly, he is playing the role of victim in the murder of Dr. George Tiller, but it’s accurate to say O'Reilly bears some responsibility for the doctor's death. He might as well have pulled the trigger.


Posted by: sherardg | October 20, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Example of Opinion Journalism.

O’Reilly claimed, on his show (11/6/06), that he had medical records which showed that Dr. Tiller was “executing babies.” Without any basis, O’Reilly claimed that Tiller and another abortion provider were breaking a law and stated “George Tiller, “will execute babies for $5,000 if the mother is depressed.” (Comment: This goes beyond just “hurting” people as it was defamation based on Bill O’Reilly conjecture. Wonder what attorney Wendy Murphy thought about that!).

Posted by: sherardg | October 20, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

How odd...

Documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records and his adoption records.

Seems as though Barry is hiding something.

Posted by: FraudObama | October 20, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

What kind of "news" organization runs promos for weeks and months in advance of political rallies?

A cable channel like Fox donates hundreds of hours of free media time to protests targeting the current administration; and it insists that everyone else give it's PR event coverage. The first "tax protest" happened only two months into Obama's term; the second only seven months later.

That's a first and it isn't "journalism" by any reasonable standard.

Of course Fox is engaged in political advocacy. It is not a news station that simply "reports" and let's "you" decide. It distorts and pushes an agenda.

This actually would have made for an interesting news angle -- e.g. political advocacy by a cable "news" channel, effectively sponsoring a political rally.

Other channels didn't really seem to catch the larger story. They reported the event straight, but they missed the real news and novelty of the event.

Fox is to news; what astro-turf campaigns are to grass-roots movements.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse


How odd...

Documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records and his adoption records.

Seems as though Barry is hiding something.

Posted by: FraudObam

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What's odd is that you would think that's odd when no other president before Obama has been asked for those documents.

Why are academic records relevant? Is he applying for another degree? Where in the Constitution does it state that a president must supply school transcripts in advance of an election (or afterwards)?

What's interesting about the question is the fact that you would even raise it. Pure insanity.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Your president is a corrupt R-sole and even you have to admit he is really nothing more than a petty liar. If you can ever manage to pull your lips off his butt you may come to see that. I HOPE this will CHANGE, but I know you can do it. Say it with me, can we stop kissing his @$$? YES WE CAN. yay!!!!!!

Posted by: Jscott1785 | October 20, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me that Obama is helping himself by showing that he is willing to fight back when ATTACKED. He is often accused of being way too passive.

Posted by: rwcole | October 20, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

How odd...

Documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records and his adoption records.

Seems as though Barry is hiding something.

Posted by: FraudObama | October 20, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

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Still there FraudObama?
excellent!!

Anything else?

FOX is proud of you.

You are there kind of guy

DUMB


Posted by: sherardg | October 20, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Turning one's back on a rabid dog is done at one's own peril. I suspect that is no less true of a rabid FOX.

Posted by: deucebollards | October 20, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

How quickly everyone forgets that the Bush administration hand-picked who they were going to give answers to, and yet Ms. marcus insists that the Obama Admin. is acting childish?

This is the network that has personally gone out of its way to come against anything this administration has spoken. If Obama says it's day, Fox says, "No, it's night, and your a socialist for saying that."

How can you respect a network that puts slander in everything they "report". How do you respect a network that allows their hosts to call the President a racist and someone with "a deep-seeded fear of white people" without so much as a rebuttal? How can you respect a network who organizes protests and loses all objectivity; and then has their producers act as cheerleaders for these teabaggers, thus becoming the news rather than report it?
Or a network that does 4 reports on Afghanistan in the past month compared to the hundreds of reports on the evils of ACORN and the SEIU? Or a network that will put anything out there without fact-checking. Call it what it you want, BUT DON'T CALL IT NEWS!

Posted by: ecglotfelty | October 20, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

JimZ1 wrote:

I totally agree. We need to find something besides news to call whatever it is Fox presents as news. Calling it news is an affront to the Edward R Murrows and Walter Cronkites of the world and shakes our faith in real news. There is always "Fox Spin", but anything other than "news" would be preferable. If we lower our standards to their level, we deserve what we get.
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I recommend that we call FAUXNEWS the swamp, and it's by product is SLIME!

Posted by: numbers28 | October 20, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

In May of 2007, O’Reilly interviewed Kansas State Rep. Ben Hodge and went after the woman who will be our next Secretary of Health and Human Services, Kathleen Sebelius (then governor of Kansas): “I didn't see any outcry by the people of Kansas for this governor basically saying, hey Tiller you kill as many fetuses as you want for whatever reason you want. That's what the governor is saying” (No, Bill, that’s not what the governor said; but your misrepresentation probably got a lot of fellow pro-lifers “locked and loaded.”.) As noted O’Reilly used “flaming” language to describe Tiller such as “killer, murder, murderer, barbarian, barabaric procedure, disgrace.” In June, O’Reilly recommended activism.” He said that “if the state of Kansas doesn't stop this man, then anybody who prevents that from happening has blood on their hands as the governor does right now, Governor Sebelius. All Americans, no matter if you're pro-choice, pro-life, whatever, should be getting in touch with Governor Sebelius' office and saying enough, because this is just a disgrace.”

O'Reilly no doubt will vociferously deny that he's to blame for Tiller's murder -- just as he similarly denied any culpability for the murders committed by Jim David Adkisson last summer when he walked into that Unitarian church in Knoxville and began blasting away. That was another "isolated incident" -- even though authorities later found O'Reilly's books in Adkisson's home, and his anti-liberal manifesto read like it was ripped straight from one of O'Reilly's "Talking Points Memos."

Posted by: sherardg | October 20, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

A new CNN poll has Obama's numbers going, you guessed it, down. May you Democrats continue to believe that everything is coming up roses.

Posted by: RossOdom | October 20, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

During the past campaign, Fox News had the task of separating the Republican Party from George W Bush and failed miserably. Al that was left of the Republican Party is the dumb, uneducated, southern white male.

Fox can let its Harvard alum rise to the occasion and respond to the President. Oh, wait, maybe Fox doesn't have any Harvard alum on their staff. Rove is a college dropout; he doesn't count.

Fox the other day was publishing Ed Rasmussen's "poll" results. Rasmussen has been slammed for his methods by three different polling groups.

Posted by: kevten | October 20, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Your president is a corrupt R-sole and even you have to admit he is really nothing more than a petty liar. If you can ever manage to pull your lips off his butt you may come to see that. I HOPE this will CHANGE, but I know you can do it. Say it with me, can we stop kissing his @$$? YES WE CAN. yay!!!!!!

Posted by: Jscott1785

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The fact that you refer to Obama as something other than the American president speaks volumes. So he isn't YOUR president too?

Ok.

I realized that Fox "News" employees have sworn the equivalent of a loyalty oath to a global media empire that supersedes their loyalty to the U.S.A. Apparently they are taking a bunch of traitors with them into Murdoch's la-la-land.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I think its great how the liberals are finally getting called on their leftist agenda. This site used to be all lefties, and now the center and right are finally starting to wake up to the fact that Obama and his cronies are trying to implement every half baked socialistic idea they can before the midterm elections. As for Fox News....it is amazing that a network that slants to the right gets bashed by an administration that stated it was going to move beyond the partisan bickering of the past. Guess that is only if you agree with them. I suppose Fox News is so slanted to the right that Juan Williams and Alan Colmes are just conservatives in disguise. Libs...get over yourselves.

Posted by: rockinravenmaniac | October 20, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

It is interesting that the White House would come out against Fox. In all honesty it does lower the standing of the White House a bit. This brings a little more legitamacy to Fox simply because the White House chose to acknowledge them. Trying to discredit a new agency only cheapens your argument and makes it look like you have something to hide. If they just ignored the rants by Fox News and got to addressing the real issues on the table, Fox News would continue to look foolish. By singling out a specific news organization as illegitimate is one step in the direction of censorship.

Unfortunately our news today is plagued with half-truths due to one simple fact, ratings. News shows are becoming much less about the reporting of real news, and more about creating a buzz or having shock value. The more over the top and outlandish, the higher the ratings and therefore the greater the sponsorship.

Does anyone remember the days when the news was dry and boring. Just a little old man reading what happened during the day. Now we get all of these shock value opinion laden messages that passes as "news." But the real sad thing here is that majority of Americans believe what they hear and take it at face value. They tend not to want to think beyond what they are hearing and formulate their own opinions.

Bashing of news outlets like this will continue forever (or as long as the US is around and has freedom of speech). We need to be careful however, we dont begin to step closer and closer towards censorship just because someone has a different point of view.

Posted by: sanmateo1850 | October 20, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Marcus is an idiot. But that's nothing new. the relationship between Fox and the GOP is different from any other networks and organized politics. It's even different from the partisan organs of old such as the right wing & yellow Hearst, or the populst Scripps-Howard. The "daytime" shows are as obviously slanted as the nighttime opinion shows. there's no effort at "balance", no Rachel maddow balancing out Pat Buchanan. People like Marcus were too dumb to notice how the Bush administration neutered the press and now they're too dumb to notice the obvious about Fox, which perhaps should raise the question why is she "smart enough" to be working at WaPo, perhaps because the Post is a mere shadow of its former self.

Posted by: thebuckguy | October 20, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

We have something in this country that the Liberals cannot comprehend. It's called freedom of choice. I cannot stand the right wing blowhards O'Reilly, Anne Coulter, Glen Beck, and Sean Hannity from FOX, nor can I stand the left wing blowhards Keith Oberman and Rachel Maddow from MSNBC so I exercise my rights as an American and don't watch either channel. This gives me no right whatsoever to tell other people what to watch or to try and remove shows or networks off the air or censure them in any way simply because I find their viewpoints repugnant, which I do.

I find Pat Buchanan an anti-semite, racist, and homophobe and I refuse to watch any show he is on but I do not want to see him censured or removed from television or radio. I don't listen to Howard Stern whom I find vulgar, nor do Iisten to Rush Limbaugh who I find disgusting, but I defend their right to speak their minds and the rights of anyone to listen to their radio shows.

If you find a talk show host offensive don't watch the show. There are over 100 other channels on t.v. you can watch and dozens of other radio shows you can listen to. In a free society we do not try and censure those we disagree with and try to limit their speech. If the Obama White House and Moveon.org are so bothered by FOX then simply do not watch it. These shows are dependent on revenues from advertisers and the more people who turn off their shows the more their advertising revenue will shrink.

Stop trying to silence those you disagree with! If they upset you so much you are allowing them to win. Simply do the right thing - don't watch their shows and don't listen to their radio shows! Is that so very difficult? I fear the day when America will only be allowed to have t.v. or radio that represents only one point of view.

Posted by: mjkoch* | October 20, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

During the past campaign, Fox News had the task of separating the Republican Party from George W Bush and failed miserably. Al that was left of the Republican Party is the dumb, uneducated, southern white male.

Fox can let its Harvard alum rise to the occasion and respond to the President. Oh, wait, maybe Fox doesn't have any Harvard alum on their staff. Rove is a college dropout; he doesn't count.

Fox the other day was publishing Ed Rasmussen's "poll" results. Rasmussen has been slammed for his methods by three different polling groups.
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So is Hannity and Jobba the Hutt. Frankly I think Beck is the gift that keeps on giving. I love him and how he has hi-jacked the Conservative movement. As previous stated, Beck is Eugene McCarthy and Lonesome Rhodes all rolled up in one. In other words, a Fraud. Google the story of Lonesome Rhodes, a movie about a fraud whose meteoric rise to the top and downfall when he caught on mike admiting that he thinks his audience are bunch of morons.
Have you no decency Mr. Beck?
The Return of McCarthyism
A must watch. They did an excellent job with this mash up of McCarthy and Beck.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/return-mccarthyism

To FOX and Friends - folks are getting wise to you. Check out the similarities of Beck with McCarthy. Quite astonishing.

Check out the moron saying this polls are slipping. Do I have to go to Real Politics to show him its not.

I don't have time for this anymore today.


Posted by: sherardg | October 20, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Awww...Poor poor Obama. Not everyone likes him.

If he would just worry about the country as much as whether FOX news likes him, we'll all be much better off.

Posted by: ahashburn | October 20, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: FraudObama

Documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records and his adoption records.
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Did the fraudulent one get this garbage from your Birther maven Orly Taiz (that fake russian)? You and your birther ilk are still in the wilderness. You are out of material, so spewing the same garbage daily is not going to change a thing. At least President Obama got excellent education. How else could a community organizer destroy the rethuglikon party? I can't help the idiot heads who live and die by the sewer that is the voice of the Grand nO Party and it's minions of ultra racists and defeatists.
Seems as though Barry is hiding something.

Posted by: numbers28 | October 20, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

t is interesting that the White House would come out against Fox. In all honesty it does lower the standing of the White House a bit. This brings a little more legitamacy to Fox simply because the White House chose to acknowledge them. Trying to discredit a new agency only cheapens your argument and makes it look like you have something to hide. If they just ignored the rants by Fox News and got to addressing the real issues on the table, Fox News would continue to look foolish. By singling out a specific news organization as illegitimate is one step in the direction of censorship.

Unfortunately our news today is plagued with half-truths due to one simple fact, ratings. News shows are becoming much less about the reporting of real news, and more about creating a buzz or having shock value. The more over the top and outlandish, the higher the ratings and therefore the greater the sponsorship.

Does anyone remember the days when the news was dry and boring. Just a little old man reading what happened during the day. Now we get all of these shock value opinion laden messages that passes as "news." But the real sad thing here is that majority of Americans believe what they hear and take it at face value. They tend not to want to think beyond what they are hearing and formulate their own opinions.

Bashing of news outlets like this will continue forever (or as long as the US is around and has freedom of speech). We need to be careful however, we dont begin to step closer and closer towards censorship just because someone has a different point of view.

Posted by: sanmateo1850 | October 20, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse
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On the contrary. Obama is showing that FOX is nothing but an annoying yapping mutt and not worth his time. Now FOX is scrambling to prove they are a New Organization. Check them out tonight. It will be the biggest news coming our of the house of horrors.

Posted by: sherardg | October 20, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

ahashburn wrote:

Awww...Poor poor Obama. Not everyone likes him.

If he would just worry about the country as much as whether FOX news likes him, we'll all be much better off.
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It is the marginalization of FAUXNEWS that excites me! Calling a dump a dump is not a bad thing. You and your ilk are hurting because your windbags have been exposed as masquerading as reporters. They are not reporters. They just pass puss from one slimy to another. And you buy it hook, line, and sinker!

Posted by: numbers28 | October 20, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Awww...Poor poor Obama. Not everyone likes him.

If he would just worry about the country as much as whether FOX news likes him, we'll all be much better off.

Posted by: ahashburn | October 20, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse
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Uh, hello,

I think he just dissed FOX

Thank you President Obama. Its about time someone stood up to that entertainment station.

Posted by: sherardg | October 20, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm so soooorrry. Perhaps I should refer to him as Mr. Obama, you know, like the way the press so disrespectfully referred to George Bush. Two sides of the same coin. Stop Baracking so close to me, I don't need the tear stains on my shirt.

Posted by: Jscott1785 | October 20, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

On the contrary. Obama is showing that FOX is nothing but an annoying yapping mutt and not worth his time. Now FOX is scrambling to prove they are a New Organization. Check them out tonight. It will be the biggest news coming our of the house of horrors.

Posted by: sherardg | October 20, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse
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If it is not worth his time, why are they talking about them? Why doesn't he just ignore them and move on to something more important, like stimulating the economy and lowering unemployment?

Posted by: sanmateo1850 | October 20, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Sunday 10/18/09. Watching people who lie for a living (David Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel)dissing Fox News was really comical.

Posted by: harryvederchi | October 20, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Here is what is funny, if Fox News is so bad, why is it getting so much attention? If their stories are so wrong, why give them any attention? Why not just ignore them and go about your day?

What is the purpose of the liberal rantings about how bad Fox News is? Are you hoping they will change? Are you hoping they will go away? What exactly is the purpose of the attacks by Obama and yourselves?

Posted by: sanmateo1850 | October 20, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

mjkoch wrote:
We have something in this country that the Liberals cannot comprehend. It's called freedom of choice. I cannot stand the right wing blowhards O'Reilly, Anne Coulter, Glen Beck, and Sean Hannity from FOX, nor can I stand the left wing blowhards Keith Oberman and Rachel Maddow from MSNBC so I exercise my rights as an American and don't watch either channel.
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And you and your rethuglikon blowhards are against Americans having the right to choose whether to go with money sucking insurance companies or with a government option. You are the worst of all hypocrites. And you are without conscience and values. Get a grip!

There is a huge difference between your LIARS on FAUXNEWS and the MSNBC crew. The MSNBC crew have facts on their side, but the FAUXNEWS lards are full of LIES.

Posted by: numbers28 | October 20, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

And you people have the audacity to call the GOP racist... come on kevin...put the mirror in front of your own "entitlement seeking" face:

"During the past campaign, Fox News had the task of separating the Republican Party from George W Bush and failed miserably. Al that was left of the Republican Party is the dumb, uneducated, southern white male.

Fox can let its Harvard alum rise to the occasion and respond to the President. Oh, wait, maybe Fox doesn't have any Harvard alum on their staff. Rove is a college dropout; he doesn't count.

Fox the other day was publishing Ed Rasmussen's "poll" results. Rasmussen has been slammed for his methods by three different polling groups.

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Posted by: Ohhowpeopleforget | October 20, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

ruth honey, why are you having so much difficulty with a simple truth?

Posted by: natty-bumppo | October 20, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Hahahahahahahahah! These comments are classic. I honestly think the best thing for the growth of conservatism is to provide as many outlets for liberals to talk and write as possible. There is nothing I, or any conservative, could say that would so thoroughly prove the idiocy of liberals than what they say themselves. Please keep up the good work. Cry, complain, philosophize, demonize, accuse...do it all and do it with your very special and brilliant style. Yes... everybody thinks like you do... everybody thinks you are well educated and nuanced...you know the truth! Sure... the only people who don't agree with you are hard core hillbilly racist nazis! Wow, have a great day brain surgeons. Just make sure you keep ranting your lunacy so everyone knows what you really think.

Posted by: AfghanVeteran | October 20, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

The Obama administration seems unaware that most of the people who voted against them, which is about half the country, are interested in hearing what Fox News and talk radio have to say. The other half who are not interested can tune into MSNBC, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, and NPR if they want to listen to a regurgitation of administration talking points.

Posted by: Ohiolad | October 20, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Wingnuts seem have trouble hitting the submit button just once. Or repeating the same lame points over and over again. Just because Glenn Beck is an idiot doesn't mean you have to be.

Posted by: thebuckguy | October 20, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

The hot air windbags at FOX NEWS have just about run out of gas. Why re-energize these buffoons by legitimizing their actions with a response?

Let them blow! They would have deflated by themselves much like the “balloon boy” fiasco on cable news.

Posted by: Citi_Street | October 20, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

We certainly know by now, what we see, (or hear) with Obama, is not what we get, such as..."but I think that's part of how democracy is supposed to work."

also, "...distracts attention from the Obama administration’s substantive message..."

Mr. O and his Czar's are just wanna be dictators and can't stand hard hitting, factual commentary. Fox, you're getting under their adolescent skin, keep up the good work.

Posted by: ohboy3 | October 20, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

An old Sunday-school hymn begins; "The devil is a sly old FOX!..." So true...so true.

Posted by: BasicInstinct | October 20, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I used to value opening the day with the Post. This article, and the rabid venom spewed out by many, above, is why the New York Times is a better choice.

Fox viewership numbers are on a par w/the GOP, yet the Post continues to perpetuate sleaze - like this article, verily feeding the most militant racists in the country. Don't look to them to buy newspapers, Campers!

Keep it up, WaPo, and sales will plumet more.

Posted by: drjillshackford1 | October 20, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

And you and your rethuglikon blowhards are against Americans having the right to choose whether to go with money sucking insurance companies or with a government option. You are the worst of all hypocrites. And you are without conscience and values. Get a grip!

Posted by: numbers28 | October 20, 2009 5:01 PM


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How about this for a solution? Let everyone who wants a public option pay the taxes that will be required for that option and have the government stay out of the pockets of people who don't want a public option.

Posted by: harryvederchi | October 20, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

maybe the left would like it more if fox concluded every discussion with mmm mmmm mmm.

Posted by: sold2u | October 20, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Fox Noise Physics Lesson

If you could spin a carousel fast enough to get its rim moving at nearly the speed of light, would time stand still for people on the carousel?

Fox Noise spins so much that they not only attempt to make time stand still they are TRYING TO MAKE IT GO IN REVERSE to the days of an all white male society.
That is not news - and I doubt anyone there understands physics - Especially O'REilly and his "NO SPIN ZONE"

Posted by: kare1 | October 20, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

MARCUS' DUMB CRITICISM OF THE OBAMA WHITE HOUSE STAND AGAINST FOX!

How dare you criticize Obama and the Democrats for standing up for themselves and calling out FAUX News! This is what the progressive wing of his party have been waiting for. Confidence! Strength! There is a reason why Rep. Alan Grayson is a Democratic superstar now!

You watch and see if Obama's and the Democrats' approval ratings don't rise after he comes out strongly and confidently (which hasn't been the case so far) in favor of the progressive ideals he campaigned and was elected for. Until then, quit doing The Political Twist and criticizing him first for not doing enough to assert his program and then for not being "reserved" or "humble" or "politic" enough when he does!

This is not an example of "fair and balanced reporting". It is just more "FAUX NEWS CRAP" brought to the pages of the Washington Post!

Posted by: iphoenix | October 20, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I don't care how many pundits talk about what a bad move this is, I still don't see a downside.

I think Bernie Goldberg's analysis on O'Reilly is right: Through repetition, the White House wants to introduce into the cultural bloodstream the notion Fox cannot be trusted. The goal is not to sway Fox-watchers, whose minds are made up, or stop Fox, which is getting more viewers, but to sway people who don't watch much news at all and may have heard in passing something Fox News has claimed.

Posted by: mypitts2 | October 20, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

You know Ruth, sometimes a person just doesn't feel like turning the other cheek!

Posted by: Sonny53 | October 20, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Today it seems as though the time has come to tell it like it is. Although the news media has become somewhat cumbersome these days to call what Fox News does as "fair and balanced" is downright silly although frankly the 24/7 continuous feeding frenzy that makes up the news these days reminds one of the struggle all of them must face trying to keep the "breaking news" breaking so to speak. In the end it's just a bunch of breathless people trying to outdo each other who even on good days will say anything for attention or to get a reaction from either the right or left. What they all forget is that there are now so many outlets for news that thinking people are still able to make their own minds up from what THEY choose to either read or watch. Like so many other commodities news whatever the channel or medium that we watch appeals unfortunately these days in what WE want to hear as opposed to what we NEED to hear even if it's bad news or involves pain of some kind. It was a pretty good idea initially but then so was religion.

Posted by: purveyors | October 20, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

If I was President Obama, I would have not only stopped going to this news channel but would have started an inquiry into FCC violation of lies and misleading the public on a daily bases atleast 50 times a day.

They are luckly that Obama is a civilized man to their uncivilized thinking....otherwise their is more then one way to skin a cat

Posted by: Roism007 | October 20, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

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This is why every American should praise FOX NEWS....Obama knows he is getting close to crossing the line in FREE America...TRY this one and the peasants will storm the castle...Or is that what you really want...

Posted by: Immanurse | October 20, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Ruth Marcus is now on the record as saying all news organizations should be treated equally no matter how dishonest, unethical and illegitimate they are. Most people would disagree.

Posted by: johnc_80 | October 20, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse


Obama doesn't respect his position. It's like the big dog nipping at the little dog. But what to expect? He apologizes to muslims, calls reporters Sweetie, and Palin a pig.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 20, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Just because Bush failed to communicate properly doesn't justify Obama embracing the negative communication characteristics from previous administrations

Same with Obama's spending. Bush spent like a Democrat. He never once vetoed or threatened to veto a Democratic Congress spending bill.

Obama promised to be a different type of president. Instead he's adopted the worst characteristics of the previous administrations (i.e. Bush & Nixon) and pushed on to an all new fanatical level.

Posted by: OnTheBorder | October 20, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Can't take credit for this one, but it's great:

"I have NEVER heard of a president so divisive and classless as Obama. He is 9 months into his presidency and he is still attacking his predecessor. I don't remember Reagan ripping on Carter after he left office. I don't remember "W" mocking Clinton when he went into retirement. He constantly assails the 48% of Americans who didn't vote for him as "part of the problem" or "being in the way" of reform. He is not the President of the United States; he is the president of the DNC, ACORN, and the SEIU. I have never seen such a tacky president.

Please, wake me up when its 2012!!!"

Posted by: EcoAZ | October 20, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad the White House is digging into the lies and distortions at Fox Faux. Bush used to invite their 'commentators' to private gatherings where he could feed them the "correct" views.
Fox isn't even close to being anything other than juicy entertainment.
It's like Hollywood Extra on steroids.

Posted by: bozhogg | October 20, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

More often than not, I agree with Marcus. But I think she's way wrong on this.

Many of us feel -- on both sides of the political dividing line -- that Fox has been seriously and willfully dishonest over the years and that "news" is not what it's purveying. Some of us have also faulted the NY Times and WaPo for honesty and integrity issues.

The media in general appear to be under fire and, sad to say, many deserve it, particularly the national media. Yes, stockholder demands and other considerations account for the decline of some -- particularly hard copy media. But to an important extent they have failed to see how horrified many consumers have been at the quality of their reporting -- in the Times' case putting on hold politically inconvenient reports and in the Post's case the provinciality of the paper's tone and, of course, the embarrassing cheesiness of its publisher.

These are pretty serious issues. And now Fox, from Beck to Ailes, is facing them too. It's a good thing the media are being forced to look in the mirror. With a few notable exceptions (among them McClatchy and NPR) national media have been letting us down. Badly. If Fox "News" gets smoked out of its hole, all the better.

Posted by: texassideoats | October 20, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Very well articulated. I would call this column "Fair and Balanced. ;)

Posted by: rogerherd | October 20, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

the problem is that both sides are preaching to the choir, and no one looks at the other side unless they are trying to confirm a view they already hold.

Liberals think Fox is biased to the right. They probably never pay attention to Fox unless someone forwards a youtube video of Beck or OReilly going over the top.

Conservatives think everyone else is biased to the left. They don't pay attention to the rest of the media until a story like Van Jones or ACORN comes around and they watch to see how long the mainstream media can hold off on reporting on it.

To get the whole picture, you have to consume news from both sources, because the mainstream media will not report a story that reflects poorly on their party unless they are forced to. Fox won't report on a story that reflects poorly on their party until they are forced to. Fortunately for Rupert Murdoch, if you want the left slant, you can choose from NYT / WaPo / NBC / CNN / MSNBC / ABC and if you want the right slant, you have Fox and Drudge.

Anyway, god bless Fox and drudge for being willing to think critically about the current occupant of the white house. no one else will.

And, Ruth is right - The WH is stupid to pick a fight with a media outlet - the media always has the last word - and it will push some liberals and independents to check out fox to see what all the hoopla is about.

Posted by: sold2u | October 20, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

So "buzhogg" (whatever that is) have you watched Olbermann, Mathews, Maddow recently. Talk about a hypocrital blind spot. You obviously carry a red cane and sport a seeing eye dog!!

Posted by: rogerherd | October 20, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I would also point out that if Obama's team had spent its time listening to the media pundits, not only would he not be president, he wouldn't even have run for president. I think they always keep that at the backs of their minds.

Posted by: mypitts2 | October 20, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse


"Can't take credit for this one, but it's great"

"I have NEVER heard of a president so divisive and classless as Obama. He is 9 months into his presidency and he is still attacking his predecessor. I don't remember Reagan ripping on Carter after he left office. I don't remember "W" mocking Clinton when he went into retirement. He constantly assails the 48% of Americans who didn't vote for him as "part of the problem" or "being in the way" of reform. He is not the President of the United States; he is the president of the DNC, ACORN, and the SEIU. I have never seen such a tacky president."

Agreed.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 20, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

The first couple times I saw Fox News I thought it was satire. Seriously, I thought Fox was trying to compete with the SNL News Desk. I kept waiting for the punchline. Fox News came on after a show my mom and I watched together. I said to Mom, "If they want to compete with Saturday Night Live they're going to have to do a hell of a lot better than this. Their jokes suck." She told me she didn't think it was meant as a joke and some people might actually believe this stuff. I thought she was kidding, but Mom turned out to be right.

If the White House wishes to engage in satire I highly recommend the SNL News Desk. The jokes are better and the writers are far superior.

Posted by: EthnicIwegian | October 20, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty clear that Ms Marcus doesn't watch FOX given her bad case of Journalistic Equivalency in which she tries to equate FOX with MSNBC, a channel that also includes 3hrs of Joe Scarborough and The Great White Hope Pat Buchanan. This is simply more Broderism, which more and more resembles the last gasp of a dying institution peopled by folks who don't know that their day has passed and that their opinions no longer matter any more than the daily horoscope on page C12.

Posted by: tdisante | October 20, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Fox is the American version of Pravda. I applaud Obama for finally treating Fox as it should be treated.

Posted by: metroman76 | October 20, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Goldie Hawn and Tangerine metal (aka GoldandTanzanite) wrote:

It's kinda fun reading the comments and noting what sort of writer likes Fox News -- spelling, grammar, maturity level, anger management -- and what sort of writer doesn't. The differences are pretty consistent.

The correlation between political conservatism and incomplete education is too strong to dismiss.


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Unfortunately, you did not proof read your own comments. It's kinda fun should have been rewritten as .... It is rather amusing ... You must not have mastered English from Mrs. Martin in sixth grade. Please provide reference to 'kinda'.

Posted by: jhpbriton | October 20, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

It's telling that Marcus discounts the fact that Fox News regularly distorts facts and manufactures news designed to whip its viewers into an outraged frenzy. That this is OK with Marcus, that Fox's skewed content is unworthy of mention, says much more about her and Beltway commentators than anything else. Fox has no shame. Apparently neither does Ruthie. The truth means nothing to either.

Posted by: jayvee | October 20, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

It is very interesting to start reading these comments from the very beginning and to take note of those who have posted numerous times. It seems that a large portion of those defending the white house's actions have not only been sitting at their computer all day (numbers28, yes that means you) and do not bother with facts or figures, just ranting and name calling. Those who have nothing better to do all day than sit and worry about this kind of inane issue are the same ones who probably never even watch the news; they get their information from blogs, chatrooms and the like. Get a life, get a job, and get off the freaking computer.

Posted by: aleciak | October 20, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

don't care how many pundits talk about what a bad move this is, I still don't see a downside.

I think Bernie Goldberg's analysis on O'Reilly is right: Through repetition, the White House wants to introduce into the cultural bloodstream the notion Fox cannot be trusted. The goal is not to sway Fox-watchers, whose minds are made up, or stop Fox, which is getting more viewers, but to sway people who don't watch much news at all and may have heard in passing something Fox News has claimed.


Posted by: mypitts2 | October 20, 2009 5:36 PM
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In other words, he's trying to persuade all of the useful idiots out there.

Posted by: harryvederchi | October 20, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

aleciak,

So are you defending a news channel that runs programming that compares health care reform to Nazi euthanasia? Do you think there is a factual basis for running a program that talks about FEMA concentration camps?

How about the idea of a "news" channel spending weeks and months promoting a political rally in DC with a partisan political agenda? Is this an appropriate "news" function?

How about the revolving door between the W administration from non-reporters and political flaks and one particular news channel? Is this wise or not? (I realize Fox isn't alone in this egregious practice).

In your astute journalistic judgment is it appropriate for a news channel to have a reporter cover a presidential campaign when he has a spouse working for the rival political campaign? (See Carl Cameron and John Kerry)

How about the notion of having a political advertising man run a news channel? (See Ailes, Roger) Do you believe advertising is the same as reporting?

When the White House calls out Fox as something less than a news channel, it's saying what needs to be said.

What's indefensible is the conflation of public relations with journalism. There is a difference and both serve different functions.

When a public relations firm masquerades as a news channel and everyone plays along with the fantasy, the public interest is not served. If Fox wants to be considered a news channel it should act like one. That doesn't mean avoiding criticism of the president. It does mean having standards of objectivity.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Under ordinary circumstances, these words would apply. However, Fox "News" has sunk far below even the lowest standards of broadcasting. The White House looked weak before standing up to corporate America, the fringe nuts, and a modern-day Pravda called Fox. Wrestling and Jerry Springer are steps up from Fox commentators. Rev. Bookburn - Radio Volta

Posted by: revbookburn | October 20, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a psychologically deranged sick in the head moronic individual---just as Nixon was....

Posted by: charko825 | October 20, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a psychologically deranged sick in the head moronic individual---just as Nixon was....

Posted by: charko825

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charko825,

Without even having met you, or Obama, I think it's safe to say that you're projecting.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Why on earth should the President of the United States of America accept to appear on this TV channel? When have you seen a proper journalist appear on FoxTV? How could the head of the Nation accept to be humiliated on National TV by some clueless idiot working for BushNetwork?

Journalism is an honorable profession, men and women die every year for doing this dangerous job.
Ranting about everything that is not white and american is NOT journalism.
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John McCain appeared on the Obama's "leg tingling" networks. Of course Liberal Dems don't have balls like Conservatives do.

Wonder why? Reid, Pelosi and Obama. Get the mental picture. Wusses all.
We are not going to get health care reform because the Dems are scared crapless something might go wrong. Where does Obama stand today. Who knows. He changes his stance everyday. Hell, he was in the Senate all four years of Bush's last term and got elected POTUS and stated he had no clue what a mess he was inheriting. We expect leadership from that.

And I thought Bush was terrible.

Since I think about he had better stay on Softball and not do Fox. No way he could handle it.

Posted by: bnw173 | October 20, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Can Fox show that it is a news-gathering organization? Does it have a real news division? Or is it just Rupert making a lot of money based on the bigotry and cynicism of a handful of talking heads with bizarre opinions?

Posted by: RobtBrock | October 20, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Fox and other netowrks are simply using the modern technology for purposes of political speech.

It has been reported that O'Reilly is the most popular program on Fox at an average viewership of 3 to 3.5 million -- of out a nation in excess of 300 million.

All the cable news channels are loud and noisy, but I am not persuaded that they can really move the general population. The last several elections have been decided by 5% of the population in the middle. I do not think these folks are teh die-hard Fox viewers. I believe that Fox as much as MSNBC are speaking and preaching to their own choirs.

Posted by: ak1123 | October 20, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

If I were to tabulate a list of the top 10 factors leading to the slow but steady decline of our beloved county, Fox News certainly would be somewhere on that list. Failure to speak out is inexcusable. The White House certainly has a legitimate reason to raise this issue.

Posted by: bernieandruth | October 20, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

"Cable Companies who title their programming as NEWS should be neutral in their reporting.I have no problem with a cable company being partisan as long as they don't use the title "NEWS.They do not dispense the NEWS,they are advocating a political point of view and as such their programs should be so identified."

Posted by: rmosco | October 19, 2009 5:37 PM

hahaha you are joking right?
Have you seen Tingles Matthews? Ray madcow and Olbermeister on MSNBC
The drooling there is almost obscene. I guess that is OKAY becuase they love Obama and literally bend over backwards for him

Posted by: rdb2 | October 20, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

The Obama "administration" is clownishly incompetent and blatantly corrupt.

Of course they whine about Fox News.

They're getting rolled like a drunk in an alley on Bourbon Street by the economy, foreign governments and by the Taliban.

The skill set of Barry and the other worthless losers in the White House, is limited to campaigning and whining.

What the American people need are mass resignations from the White House, this instant.

Posted by: NoDonkey | October 20, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

This is a poor move by the Obama camp. There are lots of important issues to deal with and while this stunt make take the MSM's eyes off the back room dealings going on with healthcare "reform", it doesn't make them look mature or professional. This will help FOX.

Oh, and there are news people and commentators at FOX. Some of y'all need to spend some time figuring out which is which. Too hard and much easier to belittle the entire network as GOP and "big business" shills.

And speaking of shills, how are Lou Dobbs and Keith Ohlberblather?

Posted by: LeftCoastRightBrain | October 20, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

You folks on the left, really need to take a look in the mirror. The hypocrisy here is overwhelmingly obvious. It is laughable.
Remember who followed like little sheep to the voting booth to vote for this sketchy guy? you know, his friends are all thugs and criminals?
every time I see an Obama 08 sticker on a car, I know there is an easily fooled person inside.
Wake up folks. You better wake up
How can you allow this to happen. What will you do in 4 years when you start handing over more than half of your personal lives savings to pay for ANY MEDICAL care for anyone that happens to come into our country. Just wait. Think about yoru children and grand children. Do you want to be responsible for this gigantic government take over?
Good luck with that.

Posted by: rdb2 | October 20, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Fox news is the ONLY NEWS station that tells you the REAL news, not what the White House wants you to know. Anita Dunn even admitted it on several programs.
They are STILL DOING THIS
wake up!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlGNhAnwp_Y&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: rdb2 | October 20, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I could not disagree more with the writer. I am a benign watcher of cable news but I do find that Fox news has become particularly egregious both in its news and opinion. Now, I know that a certain core viewership has rallied around their causes and Fox gives them a platform for what they want to hear, but I have been pretty confident that other media will call Fox News out on this and the 'market' forces will bring Fox News to 'equilibrium". That has not happened.

I do not believe that untruths and biases and innuendo should go unchallenged. If you hear Fox news over the course of a few days, There is hardly a word of praise for the President and it seems that the Channel would want you to be ashamed that we have Obama as President and that generally no Democratic Senator is capable of intelligent thought. Even the tickers at the bottom of the screen have a slant against Obama. If you bang on the drum hard enough,some poeple will start believing in this kind of trash. For the next three years and change we have this administration and it is weary to listen to Fox criticize them literally all the time.

So since the print and TV press is not doing its job, I feel that the government is doing a good job of calling out someone who has a bully pulpit without accountability of fairness and balance. I am glad this is happening.

The writer is espousing a conventional view, but the President's men and women have a right and an obligation to call out an organization engaged in organized bias under the guise of news and opinion, no doubt inspired at some level by idealogue and at a broader level by profiteering.

Posted by: rocky | October 20, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

True words. President Bush never went after the media, he just ignored it!

Posted by: Publ1us | October 20, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

I did not figure out what the White House was up to until Obama asked for quick action by Iraq's parliament. The only troops equipped for insurgency warfare, holding ground for tribes to accept aid getting them to eventually police themselves with little to face will take the 40,000 troops for the eastern border and south that must be drawdown from Iraq. Cold war equipped Japan and European forces are inadequate for troop increases and S. Korea is too hot to spare forces. Keep the nation focused on the Fox News attack and the answer for our generals can be stalled for the year it will take to get forces in place. As increased troop levels occur the holding process can start.

Posted by: jameschirico | October 20, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Fox suck*s. But... they are carrying some of the Yankee game so I'll watch. I have no principles when it comes to watching Derek, Mariano, and Mark.

Posted by: itsagreatday1 | October 20, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Just for you, Marcus. Check out the link.

>>>>>For Marcus' edification, here's a recent example of where the Fox News family broke from the standards of professional journalism and clearly pushed a falsehood.
Here's another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another.

Yes, that list just covers a sampling from this October. And no, I don't recall MSNBC flooding its airwaves with provably false programming the way Fox News now does on a routine basis.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/200910200008

Posted by: angie12106 | October 20, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

No, this is not dumb at all. In fact, it is a calculated move designed to keeping the FOX "News" commentators frothing.

All they'll do for the next several weeks is

a. Second guess themselves and *not* cover events that they would have to not appear as a puppet of the GOP

b. Increase the vitriol on Obama, and waste time not covering the news

c. Blame "the fringe element" like Greta did yesterday.

All in all, it is a winning strategy. It exposes FOX "news" to be nothing but racist hatemongering.

Brilliant!

Posted by: HumanSimpleton | October 20, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

thelaw1: "I wonder how loud the outcry would have been had Bush declared MSNBC an 'opponent'."

They did just that, not only to MSNBC but parent NBC, too. Here's the link: http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002270/

Posted by: dkoelper | October 20, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

thelaw1: "I wonder how loud the outcry would have been had Bush declared MSNBC an 'opponent'."

They did just that, not only to MSNBC but parent NBC, too. Here's the link: http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002270/

Posted by: dkoelper
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never mind what Bush Sr. did, Bush Jr. was rather vitriolic with the NY Times' coverage of him.

Circa 2004.

No loud outcry, though.

Posted by: HumanSimpleton | October 20, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

The White House spokesman accused Hannity and Beck, to which Fox replied they are opinion programs. Looking at the way they report news, with rare exceptionhas a GOP slant to it. Same goes for many of their opinion poll questions. They tend to mix fact and fiction as the same looking at Acorn as an example. The KS, AZ, OH investigations turned up nothing while there appears to be some shennanagins in Troy, NY allegedly by Acorn's Brooklyn office. Generally all cable news has a slant with the exception of C-Span, with most major networks except Fox leaning left. I think the White House attacked not to be vindictive but to buy more time to make the decision on the Generals needed troop increase in Afghanistan. Be stupid, take heat, and buy a little more time.

Posted by: jameschirico | October 20, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

rdb2 wrote>>>Fox news is the ONLY NEWS station that tells you the REAL news, not what the White House wants you to know

Is that you, Beck??
LOL
Just go back to your chalkboard and keep writing your twisted convoluted theories...while Republican leaders struggle to define the Party.

Posted by: angie12106 | October 20, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

I completely disagree with this column. On the rare occasions when I flip on Fox News for a few minutes I'm amazed and amused at the blatant right-wing bias of everything and everybody. Fox and Friends is like the conservative Bizarro World version of the Today Show. Why should the Democrats sit there and pretend that Fox is anything other than what it is? Incidentally, while MSNBC has a few house liberals and even one occasionally wild-eyed liberal (Olbermann), it also has the likes of Joe Scarborough, Pat Buchanan and any number of other conservatives and moderates on the network. In addition, MSNBC generally reports the news straight, something I would never accuse Fox of doing. I think there's more than a hint of careerism, occupational solidarity and the desire not to hack off anyone who might put them on TV and give them a job-ism in the uniform reaction of the corporate mainstream media in defending the "honor" of Fox and criticizing the Obama Administration for speaking the truth.

Posted by: ejs2 | October 20, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

All the other news stations have to do is prove Fox News' reporting wrong and untrue and they cannot.

Posted by: ssol4569 | October 20, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

The Obama White House is fighting with Fox because the press will go along. Sure you will have little articles like this to provided cover but by and large the rest of the press will follow in lock step with the White house. This article demonstrates the worship of Pres. Obama. For example, the article describes the President's agenda as substantive but this President never is questioned about his government run everything agenda. Second it trys to ridicule Glenn Beck without any reason as to why Glenn Beck small. Third, she incredibly thinks Pres. Obama is not behind this policy of fighting with Fox. Pres. Obama is on board because and his lackeys over the weekend said this was his policy. Too bad the President would rather fight with Fox instead of focusing on the economy. Pres. Obama just does not get care.

Posted by: simonn54 | October 20, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

http://www.theospark.net/2009/09/video-7-lies-in-under-2-minutes.html

Watch this little prick lie through his teeth.

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | October 20, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

FOXNEWS RULES THE AIRWAVES!!!

Obama is afraid of a news organization because it is exposing him as a fraud.

In the coming election of 2010 the blood of democrats will be spilled on the streets of Washington...they will all be kicked out of Washington without mercy!!

1994 will look like Sunday School compared to 2010....can't wait!!

FOXNEWS RULES!!!!

Posted by: charko825 | October 20, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

i love the "faux news" is garbage comments. akin to my daughters' - "i don't like spinach" response. "i just don't". amazing how the libs think they will win over converts with their idiotic comments with no consideration for fact. "just trust me" - sure!

Posted by: momusin | October 20, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

You certainly can see the "Chicago Politics" getting played out here. That worked in Chicago because it was expected and no one cared. Carrying it onto the big stage and expecting it to work in clear view of 300 million Americans who are not familiar with the bare knuckle, street fighting politics of Chicago is dumb for the Administration. First it was the continued blaming of the past administration. You can only play that "Hey, he did it, daddy" card for so long. Then the Insurance companies, Then Fox, and now the US Chamber of Commerce. Obama and his enemies list is making Nixon look like an amateur. Who will be next. Rham is in his office right now sticking pins in the next victim. I love this. They are watching their ratings surge over at Fox. They are gleeful, they don't want it to end. Watch what happens !!... Oh, and BTW the head of the USCC said tonight they are going to increase their spending many times over for the 2010 election...Now, Watch what happens..!!

Posted by: james_m_reilly1 | October 20, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Ruth, what FOX News does to the art of honest and ethical journalism is not unlike what Roseanne Barr once did to our national anthem.

I, for one, haven't forgotten how FOX News gave a virtually unlimited platform to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, and thus allowed an honorable and decorated war veteran like Sen. John Kerry to be tarred and smeared for weeks on end with documented falsehoods, distortions and mischaracterizations.

If you can't or refuse to see FOX News for being the unabashed broadcast arm for Republican political propaganda that it is, then I feel very sorry for you.

Some things are simply indefensible. If you persist in providing a veneer of professional credibility to an organization that truly deserves none, I will in turn make a point to not pay too much attention to what YOU have to say in the future, because clearly, you aren't being honest with either your readers or with yourself.

Aloha.

Posted by: dkoelper | October 20, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

aleciak,

So are you defending a news channel that runs programming that compares health care reform to Nazi euthanasia? Do you think there is a factual basis for running a program that talks about FEMA concentration camps?

How about the idea of a "news" channel spending weeks and months promoting a political rally in DC with a partisan political agenda? Is this an appropriate "news" function?

How about the revolving door between the W administration from non-reporters and political flaks and one particular news channel? Is this wise or not? (I realize Fox isn't alone in this egregious practice).

In your astute journalistic judgment is it appropriate for a news channel to have a reporter cover a presidential campaign when he has a spouse working for the rival political campaign? (See Carl Cameron and John Kerry)

How about the notion of having a political advertising man run a news channel? (See Ailes, Roger) Do you believe advertising is the same as reporting?

When the White House calls out Fox as something less than a news channel, it's saying what needs to be said.

What's indefensible is the conflation of public relations with journalism. There is a difference and both serve different functions.

When a public relations firm masquerades as a news channel and everyone plays along with the fantasy, the public interest is not served. If Fox wants to be considered a news channel it should act like one. That doesn't mean avoiding criticism of the president. It does mean having standards of objectivity.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 6:21 PM
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How about the company that owns NBC, General Electric, CEO Jeff Immelt being on Obama's board of economic advisers? How about former Clinton White House hack George Stephanopoulos being the anchor on "ABC's This Week" Sunday morning talk show?

Posted by: harryvederchi | October 20, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

"Cable Companies who title their programming as NEWS should be neutral in their reporting.I have no problem with a cable company being partisan as long as they don't use the title "NEWS.They do not dispense the NEWS,they are advocating a political point of view and as such their programs should be so identified."

Posted by: rmosco | October 19, 2009 5:37 PM
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Are you referring to CNN or MSNBC? Both editorialize and cherry pick their stories to buttress certain political ideologies. FoxNews is not alone.

Posted by: Dodgers1 | October 20, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm a real journalist, got my degrees on the gi bill. The Canons of Journalism are simple, essentially report objectively, accurately and in a timely fashion so even the dumbest of journalists can follow the yellow brick road. Fox News couldn't be journalists if you stenciled the canons on the North Slope of their cerebral corteces they don't use for storage in the blood of dead Iraqis we just slaughtered to privatize their oil because Fox told you Iraq was a nuclear threat. Fox said we would all be held accountable as unpatriotic traitors if we didn't support the Big Oil Gangbang for Jesus and the American Way. There is a time to call a lying, child bombing moron a lying, child bombing moron. Granted, Judy from the New York Times fetched buckets of lying puke from the Pentago daily to sell the great oil heist, none of which had a damn thing with the only mission our $500 billion a year military had, kill bin Laden. Fox is like a propaganda unit of lying American oil thieves whose lies actually helped convince Americans a country with no air force, misssile system, navy, aerial defenses and who never fired a bullet at us was a nuclear threat. All to steal the oil, which American Big Oil companies from Houston are harvesting right NOW. So America. You have caved in the head of the FCC so you can take any hope of actual journalists reporting objectively up the smoldering torso of a dead barbarian, no photos, no video, no articles about war profits, no reports from the rigs. Nineteen Saudis attacked America. Fox is a lying piece of feces.

Posted by: rhyer | October 20, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

.... and by the way Fox haters... Glenn Beck is going after Anita Dunn next.. He has her in his sights and it ain't looking good !! Watch what happens !!

Posted by: james_m_reilly1 | October 20, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

This is the stupidest article ever. The terrorists who run Fooks Newz should be in jail.

Posted by: GeorgHerbet | October 20, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

The White House did not start A WAR with Fox

They simply expressed the fact that Fox is NOT a news organization, and accurately so

News is based on FACTS and TRUTH, both of which Fox does not bother to use on their program, end of story

I find it is only Fox and the media that want to keep talking about this non issue

THE TRUTH HURTS ...

Posted by: paradislarry | October 20, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm a real journalist, got my degrees on the gi bill. The Canons of Journalism are simple, essentially report objectively, accurately and in a timely fashion so even the dumbest of journalists can follow the yellow brick road. Fox News couldn't be journalists if you stenciled the canons on the North Slope of their cerebral corteces they don't use for storage in the blood of dead Iraqis we just slaughtered to privatize their oil because Fox told you Iraq was a nuclear threat. Fox said we would all be held accountable as unpatriotic traitors if we didn't support the Big Oil Gangbang for Jesus and the American Way. There is a time to call a lying, child bombing moron a lying, child bombing moron. Granted, Judy from the New York Times fetched buckets of lying puke from the Pentago daily to sell the great oil heist, none of which had a damn thing with the only mission our $500 billion a year military had, kill bin Laden. Fox is like a propaganda unit of lying American oil thieves whose lies actually helped convince Americans a country with no air force, misssile system, navy, aerial defenses and who never fired a bullet at us was a nuclear threat. All to steal the oil, which American Big Oil companies from Houston are harvesting right NOW. So America. You have caved in the head of the FCC so you can take any hope of actual journalists reporting objectively up the smoldering torso of a dead barbarian, no photos, no video, no articles about war profits, no reports from the rigs. Nineteen Saudis attacked America. Fox is a lying piece of feces.

Posted by: rhyer | October 20, 2009 7:46 PM
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You should ask for your tuition money back from whatever school gave you your journalism degrees.

Posted by: harryvederchi | October 20, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Fox News = Your only Independent News Organization.

Tick Tick Tick, whats that?? The little time left Obama has in power.

He knows he's one and done.

Too Bad.

Posted by: HugitThrough | October 20, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

http://www.theospark.net/2009/09/video-7-lies-in-under-2-minutes.html

Watch this. Then ask yourself why the MSM has never called the messiah on these blatant lies. Ask Matthews, Olbermann, Curic - any of the droolers.

But FoxNews is the problem.

What a joke.

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | October 20, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

The only thing dumber would be for this White House to bend over and take it 7/24/365 from FOX without so much as a whimper.

Now that would be dumb.

Posted by: jato11 | October 20, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

ssol4569: "All the other news stations have to do is prove Fox News' reporting wrong and untrue and they cannot."

Or they won't. Fortunately, there are other media watchdogs that aren't afraid of the big bad wolf: http://mediamatters.org/press/releases/200910200009

Let's be clear here. No reputable news organization would ever allow overt fundraising for partisan-affiliated PACs, such as the GOP's League of American Voters, to occur on its airwaves, as FOX News has done as recently as yesterday.

Further, FOX News host Mike Huckabee directed viewers on October 5 to visit a website ostensibly advocating for a balanced federal budget, balancecutsave.com, but which in turn automatically re-directed online visitors to a webpage soliciting funds for Huckabee's own political action committee.

FOX News is patently disingenuous, dishonest and unethical.

Posted by: dkoelper | October 20, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Faux News is no longer coherent.

Posted by: Maddogg | October 20, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

You can't call yourself a news reporting network when you blackout a presidential address to the full congress. When interviewees are 50-1 conservative, you are not fair and balanced. That said Murdoch has made his fortune capturing nearly all conservative media outlets and the now on it's opinion page right leaning WSJ. His share of conservative viewership must be in the 90's making him a billionaire. Take out a gun at a healthcare rally and FOX will cover the story primetime while rational healthcare discussion rarely are shown.

Posted by: jameschirico | October 20, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

paradislarry,

present the facts and maybe someone will give you some attention. otherwise you are just another lib crybaby drowning in your stupidly framed assaults on the right.

Posted by: momusin | October 20, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Every news organization had better pay attention to the definitions put out by this White House because that's how they're judging the game.

If the news organizations allow the White House to do this to Fox, there will come a time when they will disagree with the way the White House is handling something and they'll either put it out to the public or, being afraid of being called Fox News, they'll cover it up, something like CNN did in Baghdad, so they could have their bureau there.

I can't think of how many soldiers and sailors have died to protect our first amendment only to have organizations, like NBC, CNN, CBS, the Washington Post and the NY Times, treat it so cavalierly. I hope all of those organizations learn to separate their news pages from their editorial pages. If it weren't for Jake Tapper, I'd have included ABC in that group, since they're as culpable as the rest.

Your careless press coverage already elected this president, the least you owe this country is honest coverage of his policies and his appointments. If you can't do that, you might as well go out of business. Putting out skewed polls, refusing to cover appointments properly, because you might offend the White House, only make you a third world press organization. Do your job.

Posted by: bflat879 | October 20, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

The premise of this article is ludicrous. But coming from WaPo who wanted to have their soirees and provide access with selected individuals, what would you expect?

Ms. Marcus is the only one who looks dumb and weak for defending and trumpeting the lies, distortions, of Fox. They're not even news.

So, what did they teach you about journalistic integrity, honesty and reporting the news instead of being the news? Obviously, you weren't paying much attention. The WH is right to call them out for what they are, a propaganda tool. The bad thing is that it took the WH so long to call them on it.
Fox is the ones who are weak to have to throw the journalism profession out the window in the quest for ratings. But after all, it is WaPo, which is not exactly a beacon of light for good journalism or reporting. Maybe you have a career at Fox, they pay very well, I'm told...

Posted by: some_newz_411 | October 20, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I only have one question...IF the WH says FOX is lying how about sharing those LIES with we the people...Lets be truthful here if they had any it would be the leading new story on all other cable stations and I'm sure the Washington Post would use it as a lead story...so put up ...think you little peasants...they have NO proof! This my friend is a way to try to rewrite the word free speech, if it mean so little to you cheer them on...Oh...and if there is no proof just say hey they aren't a news station...same crap different wrapper...

Posted by: Immanurse | October 20, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama's dumb war? The only thing dumb about not attacking Fox News is not attacking them every second of every day like they do Obama. Since when does it matter who has more ink (or psuedo ink)? Fox News feeds their cancerous anti-Obama hate into living rooms across the world non stop. In any other country they would be shot as traitors! Absolutely nothing but negative propaganda with no solutions for anything!

Posted by: JimW | October 19, 2009 6:29 PM
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"In any other country they would be shot as traitors".

Oh really? What country would that be? Communist China? Iran? Cuba? Venezuela? Nicaragua? North Korea? Since when is expressing an opinion considered treason? This is the United States of America, you idiot, where speech is still protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States!!! I suggest you go to your local library and study it and become educated.

Posted by: PTCdweller | October 20, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

You should ask for your tuition money back from whatever school gave you your journalism degrees.

Posted by: harryvederchi | October 20, 2009 7:54 PM |
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LOL!!! Best comeback of the thread! That guy is no more a real journalist than you and I are trusted members of Obama's team! Maybe he can sue that school for fraud!

Posted by: PTCdweller | October 20, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

You should ask for your tuition money back from whatever school gave you your journalism degrees.

Posted by: harryvederchi | October 20, 2009 7:54 PM |
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LOL!!! Best comeback of the thread! That guy is no more a real journalist than you and I are trusted members of Obama's team! Maybe he can sue that school for fraud!

Posted by: PTCdweller | October 20, 2009 8:14 PM
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PT,
That guy was a real joke. I couldn't hold back on that one.

Posted by: harryvederchi | October 20, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I continue to be amazed by the folks who defend Fox "News" by noting how relatively high the channel's ratings are, as if popularity and quality (or Nielsen numbers and journalistic integrity) were at all correlated.

Posted by: drewmacdonald | October 20, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Who cares what the White House thinks about Fox?

Posted by: AndreainNY | October 20, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm a real journalist, got my degrees on the gi bill. The Canons of Journalism are simple, essentially report objectively, accurately and in a timely fashion so even the dumbest of journalists can follow the yellow brick road. Fox News couldn't be journalists if you stenciled the canons on the North Slope of their cerebral corteces they don't use for storage in the blood of dead Iraqis we just slaughtered to privatize their oil because Fox told you Iraq was a nuclear threat. Fox said we would all be held accountable as unpatriotic traitors if we didn't support the Big Oil Gangbang for Jesus and the American Way. There is a time to call a lying, child bombing moron a lying, child bombing moron. Granted, Judy from the New York Times fetched buckets of lying puke from the Pentago daily to sell the great oil heist, none of which had a damn thing with the only mission our $500 billion a year military had, kill bin Laden. Fox is like a propaganda unit of lying American oil thieves whose lies actually helped convince Americans a country with no air force, misssile system, navy, aerial defenses and who never fired a bullet at us was a nuclear threat. All to steal the oil, which American Big Oil companies from Houston are harvesting right NOW. So America. You have caved in the head of the FCC so you can take any hope of actual journalists reporting objectively up the smoldering torso of a dead barbarian, no photos, no video, no articles about war profits, no reports from the rigs. Nineteen Saudis attacked America. Fox is a lying piece of feces.

Posted by: rhyer | October 20, 2009 7:46 PM
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I am sure your mindset is representative of the mainstream media in general - most hide it better than you do, but I'm sure they have the same contempt for everything conservative that you do.

Hence the need for Fox news - to balance out THAT^

Posted by: sold2u | October 20, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Ruth, when Joe McCarthy reigned supreme we had lawyers -- "have you no shame, Senator?" and journalists like Ed Morrow who were willing to call him out.

We've now endured over a decade of institutionalized dishonesty masquerading as news -- Rush Limbaugh writ large, principally channelled by hugely uninformed but highly entertaining yahoos -- without anybody having the courage to expose the nakedness of the Yahoo class.

Of course, the White House shouldn't have to do this. But in an age of such timid "public opnion" leaders, who else can call them out? Neither Rachel Maddow nor Arianna Huffington have the same bully pulpit.

People who routinely fabricate "news" -- i.e., Fox -- should not get a free shot. And somebody has to hold them to account.

Posted by: thmas | October 20, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Just watch "the daily show with Jon Stewart" to learn about foxnews :)

Posted by: bluezr1 | October 20, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Not to worry FOX...not that you were anyways...there is a new Obama enemy of the day! They are turning their omnipotent wrath towards the US Chamber of commerce who dares disagree with the anointed ones LMAO "policies".

You won't find the story at WAPO or any of the other Obama propaganda sources. The only real news organization left has the story.

White House Finds a New Enemy: FOX news

Chamber of Commerce's opposition to health, climate change bills triggers all-fronts administration backlash

Posted by: Straightline | October 20, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

gotta love it! fox is just wrong, wrong, wrong! who needs any facts? i just know it. they are just always wrong! no need to debate the issues - it is just so less time consuming to get to the bottom of it - fox news is just wrong.

O.T. - whatever happened to intelligent debate? debate is about persuasion, information, and logic above other skills - much more than "faux news sucks".

Posted by: momusin | October 20, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

thmas

state your case, not your stupidity!

Posted by: momusin | October 20, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama already has ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN and Comedy Central in his back pocket with their opinionated news that slants Socialist. He can't take it that one Media outlet dares to speak against him. This is similar to the the leaders of the old Soviet Union complaining about the Voice of America.

Posted by: cbk1 | October 20, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

WASHINGTON — Michelle and Barack Obama sat one table over from J. Lo and Marc Anthony, and all four of them were rocking in their seats as Sheila E. shook the house — well, really the tent.

The latest installment of the White House music series was too big for the East Room, so a high-wattage assortment of Latin musicians sent pulsating, can't-help-but-bob-along rhythms tumbling out of a giant tent on the mansion's South Lawn.

As it happens, music of all sorts — rock, jazz, country, classical — has been busting out of the White House all year long.

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you would think obozo and wookiee wouldn't want to take time out for work with all the dates and parties they have been throwing at the taxpayers expense. I guess the democrat socialist party likes spending our money.

Posted by: charlietuna666 | October 20, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

What the hell is wrong with this woman? For thirty years, the right wingnuts have had a field day making all kinds of ridiculous attacks on dems. It has worked very well as many examples like Willie Horton and Swift boat ads have shown. Now the White House decides to fight back and Ruthie, in her ivory tower tuts and tuts about the attacked not being willing to support the income of the attackers. Oh, yeah, MSNBC is a good comparison. Pat Hitler, er, Buchanen, and Joe Scar are such limp libs aren't they? What a dope. And I mean that it in it's truest sense.

Posted by: lassenlou | October 20, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

“Opinion journalism masquerading as news"

Joe Mathews, Senior Fellow, New America Foundation:

I'm not sure if Fox qualifies as a "legitimate news organization," if the phrase has much meaning anymore, or even whether such questions matter. Fox is a partisan organization that does a little news (some of it reliable) and a lot of commentary that borders on quackery.

Australian-born billionaire Keith Rupert Murdoch has used the U.S. government's increasingly lax media regulations to consolidate his hold over media and to impose his agenda on this country..You're allowing a FOREIGNER to dictate you thoughts and opinions...Rupert has used you to continue with his billions. (Beck)FOX is in the UK...a dear friend said this country is looking pretty stupid in the UK... that's what Rupert is doing for you...

Lindarc (Still Lovin' this Country)

Posted by: lindarc | October 20, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

It is only a matter of time before the Obama Administration finds out that Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals only work when you are an obscure community organizer not when you are the President of the United States.

Posted by: harryvederchi | October 20, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Fox News (actually, anyone with half a brain should be able to distiguish between "news" and "political commentary") has obviously struck a nerve in the White House. Why else would the administration reduce themselves to the level of playground "is too-are not" exchanges.

I expected more from the "change we can beleive in" candidate who promised a reunification.

Being President comes with the baggage of being attacked by your critics; the White House should be able to respond intelligently to such attacks with facts that set the record straight, take away the pundits talking points, or at the very least ignore them.

Engaging in this war of words simply makes the White House appear petty and whiny, and just serves to add credibility to Fox's criticism.

And if, for example, Glenn Beck's criticism of Van Jones and ACORN were so untrue, why is it that Mr. Jones felt it expedient to resign and Congress overwhelmingly voted to de-fund ACORN in the face of the resultant scandals?

Posted by: EddietheInfidel | October 20, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Biggest bunch of crybabies to ever sit in the White House.

-Chris Wallace

Posted by: johngalt23_1999 | October 20, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Golly Gee Whiz

If a network doesn't kiss the cheeks of the far right, they are "socialist", and if a president dares to take on his opponents he is against "freedom of the press" or "free speech".

Bush was right

The education in this country is badly screwed up.

Posted by: rwcole | October 20, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

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numbers28 and rhyer are perfect examples of the level of discourse by the Libs in the blogosphere- all mindless rant.
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Posted by: drewmacdonald | October 20, 2009 8:18 PM
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Tell me, what's the measure of good quality? You have to agree with Liberals all the time and slant your news in favor of Democrats? That you disagree with Fox's opinion commentators doesn't mean they aren't good quality. I could substitute MSNBC, ABC, CNN, CBS, NBC for Fox News in your statement and, oh, oops, wait a minute. Forgot that MSNBC's and CNN's ratings are in the toilet. So that means, to use your analogy, they are good quality, right? Oh and I just read somewhere that Fox News' ratings are getting closer to one of the 3 broadcast networks. I'll have to find where I read that and post it here for all you Free Speech, I mean Fox News, haters.

Posted by: PTCdweller | October 20, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the Federal Courts may order psychiatric examinations of Fox News staff?

Posted by: Maddogg | October 20, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Another barrel of received wisdom from Ruth Marcus, who couldn't help herself but repeat the hackneyed phrase about the barrel of ink.

Perhaps she should get out more.

Everyone I have talked to is struck by the same thing: Fox's response to Obama has used the language of a political adversary rather than that of a news organizations.

Which just reinforces Obama's point.

Posted by: mexmanic | October 20, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I just find it incredibly ironic that there are so many people on this discussion board who think that CNN and MSNBC are "real" news organizations and Fox News isn't.

Who was it that reported (unchecked/unverified) racist quotes purportedly uttered by Rush -- things he NEVER said... That would be CNN and MSNBC, and others. Now THAT'S "REAL" news and reporting!!! Or for "real" news organizations like CNN to have an on-air fact checking session about a satiric skit on SNL that mildly mocked our Dear Leader... Again, that's real news... Seriously. Have you lost touch with reality? Fact checking a comedic skit? Did they bother to do that for Bush when he was made fun of on SNL???

And somehow, because Fox News actually reports what's happening or what people in the administration have said and are doing, instead of bending over backwards to cover our Dear Leader's a**, they don't report real news. Or aren't really journalists or a "real" news outfit. And then go on to complain about Beck and O'Reilly and Hannity -- who are POLITICAL COMMENTATORS, NOT JOURNALISTS! And then go on to state, without citation of evidence, that Fox "lies" all the time. Where's the beef?

And it's even more ironic that the VAST majority of the Fox News critics haven't ever watched it! Or call Fox "crybabies".

It's beyond parody....

Posted by: carocanesfan | October 20, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

How are CNN's ratings doing???? The reality is people are fleeing liberal TV. Look at the huge market share being lost by CBS, CNN, or similar.

Smells like jealousy.

Posted by: Revcain777 | October 20, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

And anyone who thinks that Ruth Marcus here has said something outrageous or untrue or even unreasonable is just a liberal shill and hack...

I don't even know her political leanings but she is dead on here. Can you imagine the outcry if Bush had done something similar? I hadn't thought of it but the analogy of Bush and CBS after the fake memo and their attempt at changing the course of the election didn't end up with Bush boycotting CBS.

On the other hand, since Bush NEVER got a fair shake in the press (besides the month after 9/11 -- but even then he didn't) that repeatedly savaged him, maybe he should have been more aggressive in responding to them...

All I know is that it is RETARDED for people to complain about one (out of the many) "news organizations" reporting critically on the administration... Geez... Someone has to hold their lying feet to the fire!

Posted by: carocanesfan | October 20, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Fox is a piece of feces. Billionaire Republican oil man Ray Hunt raised $100,000 for the 2000 campaign of Junior Oil Boy. Ray Ray was placed on the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board only two weeks after 9-11. Ray Ray got his first Kurdistan oil contract Sept. 8, 2007, dripping in the blood of American soldiers, while our great military let bin Laden RUNNOFT. God Bless Redneck and God Bless Fox, who helps send yo chillen home in a box.

Posted by: rhyer | October 20, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Love Fox News? Who cares?
Hate Fox News? Who cares?

In spirit at least, the White House is treading dangerously close to infringing upon 1st Amendment rights and freedom of the press.

Those who dislike Fox News may find this behavior acceptable or even laudatory in this particular instance. But once the precedent has been set these same people will no doubt be horrified by similar behavior from a Republican administration in 2012 or 2016 or 2020...

Do some of you here actually believe Republicans will *never* again assume office? Really?? Really???

How is this situation even up for debate?

Posted by: JSmitan | October 20, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

CNN fact checked a Saturday Night Live routine that poked fun at Obama's accomplishments. Now that's real news you can use.

Posted by: harryvederchi | October 20, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Go, Obama go!

Someone needs to let the Fox News followers that they are getting bad information.

These idiots talk about freedom, but then are led by the nose through a trail of slime and deceit by fantasists like Glenn Beck and fascists like Bill (Loofaman) O'Reilly and and Sean (I'm afraid of Olbermann) Hannity.

Why are these people abused and misled? So Rupert Murdoch can make them angry, and then make money off their anger. Rupert Murdoch! Do they really think he cares about them? Ha ha ha

Posted by: Dollared | October 20, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

1. Perhaps if President Nixon had been forthright enough about his beefs with the New York Times and the Washington Post, he'd have gotten it off his chest without feeling the need to give executive agencies "enemies lists" to follow up on.

2. Someone from President Obama's press staff pointing out that Fox News is a partisan player in a way that mainstream media are not is not analogous to President Nixon regard mainstream media as an enemy of the state.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | October 20, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

I sometimes watch fox just for the laughs,They are really funny at times.For real news though,never.

Posted by: smorrow | October 20, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

it's so obvious that those who wail about "hatred" and "racism" and "right-wing propaganda" and "faux" news are only repeating what they've heard from others. anyone who has actually watched the news reports (and the opinion shows for that matter) on the fox channel knows that these accusations are hysterical and absurd.
the whitehouse's attack on free speech is shocking and should be of concern to all american citizens.

Posted by: elpolacko | October 20, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama's just sayin' what every sane person already knows. Fair and balanced my ***

Posted by: ikea1 | October 20, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

smorrow...

enjoy "real" news on MSNBC and CNN!

whatever...

Posted by: carocanesfan | October 20, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Ruth it is time you either retired or relearn what news actually is all about. Fox is a truly evil influence in American life and must be called out as often as possible by every sane person.

Posted by: jmw1 | October 20, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Dollared...

Fox News gives out bad info? Like what? What stories have been inaccurate?

Are you concerned that Beck (BTW NOT a journalist but a commentator) got it wrong when he pointed out that Van Jones was a communist supporter and signed the 9/11 truther petition? Actually you may never have heard about that, BECAUSE IT WASN'T COVERED by the MSM. Same for the Czar of children safety in schools who broke the law by not reporting the statutory rape of a young man by an adult when he was a school counselor? Probably hadn't heard about that either. Were you aware that the VERY SAME WH communications director who started all of this attack on Fox News(Anita Dunn) told a bunch of HS grads at their graduation in her prepared speech to them that Mao was one of her two favorite political philosophers, this past June? On second thought even if you had heard it, it probably doesn't bother you.

For that matter, you probably never heard any of the gaffes that our Dear Leader made in the campaign like when he said he'd visited all 57 states and had a couple more to go! Or when he patted a female reporter on the back and called her "sweetie" and told her not to worry her pretty little head about the question she was asking.

How are you so certain that you're getting accurate reporting from the Obama shilling mainstream media? Seriously?

Posted by: carocanesfan | October 20, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

jmw drinking the koolaid...

Posted by: carocanesfan | October 20, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

There was nothing more lethal to the US democracy than the Bush and Republican creation of The Patriot Act, Homeland Security, and illegal spying. Fox News helped propel these things.

Posted by: Maddogg | October 20, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama is a psychopath narcissist. This pathology is not uncommon among powerful men - Herod, Caligula, Nero, and down through history through King John to the 20th Century monsters with whom all of us are familiar. Tyrants. Tyrants can tolerate no disagreement, no dissent. Obama is a tyrant,and true to his type. B. Hussein Obama's vendettas against Hillary, Joe the Plumber, Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, et al are only the beginning. Like any bully, Obama only picks on people whom he perceives himself to be more vulnerable than himself, and like all bullies,he acts obsequiously toward people he perceives to be more powerful or in a position to hurt him (Putin, Chavez, Ahmedinijad).

Posted by: doctorfixit | October 20, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Maybe this Fox News battle isn't so dumb... Anita Dunn is a professional communicator who can lead main stream media around like puppets. The Obama WH needs to distract their constituents and some mainstream media from the real political battles they are loosing on the War with Afganistan, the Ecomomy, and the Healthcare reforms... Conservatives and Independents who are watching Fox already know the score... it's the Liberals who the WH needs to distract with a false war on FOX... beware.

Posted by: barber_daniel | October 20, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Dick Cheney's suite demands:

"All Televisions Tuned to FOX News (please let the Advance Office know if it is satellite or cable television)."

Posted by: ikea1 | October 20, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Death panels? Birther events? Tea party demonstrations? If you watched Fox news, you'd think that this stuff had all the importance of World War II.

If that's news reporting, it's snowing in Brazil.

Obama's calling them out, as well he should.

Nixon, my backside.

Posted by: kim4 | October 20, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

What's truly dumb are mass media figures who can't tell when they're being pwnd, Ms Marcus.

Posted by: nodebris | October 20, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Maddog...
Wrong again! But then again you get your news from "real" news media like CNN and MSNBC so I can't really blame you...

Patriot Act
Passed the House on October 24, 2001 (Yeas: 357; Nays: 66)
Passed the Senate on October 25, 2001 (Yeas: 98; Nays: 1)
Signed into law by President Bush on October 26, 2001

Homeland Security Act
Jul 26, 2002: This bill passed in the House of Representatives by roll call vote. The totals were 295 Ayes, 132 Nays, 6 Present/Not Voting.
Nov 19, 2002: This bill passed in the Senate by roll call vote. The totals were 90 Ayes, 9 Nays, 1 Present/Not Voting.

That's DEFINITELY all Republican's and Bush's doing...And "Faux News" of course too...

And where's the illegal spying? Please enlighten me! As a matter of fact, were you aware that the NYT actually broke the law (repeatedly) when it reported the wiretapping you must be referring to? Of course not, it wasn't reported as such in the MSM.

Posted by: carocanesfan | October 20, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

MayorEd: "I agree with Ms. Marcus and when Fox decides to actually report the news then the White House should reconsider. I see no reason though to hold interviews, press conferences, or briefings with the public relation arm of the other Party. "

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The White House need not "reconsider" because its opinion doesn't really matter. At least not to Fox viewers.

The truth is that the White House can say whatever it wants about Fox. This just makes it, well...just like MSNBC.

Congrats, White House. You've just become the public relations arm of MSNBC.

Posted by: AndreainNY | October 20, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

"I love watching Fox and have never found it boring or other than fair and balanced when it comes to the news"

That's about all anyone needs to know about your judgment.

Posted by: nodebris | October 20, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

kim4...

If the tea party events and opposition to the Obama administration's attempts to pass health care reform and cap and trade are so insignificant in nature, then why haven't they passed yet???? I mean, come on, you have the most liberal president ever elected, a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, and a decidely Democrat majority in the House? What's stopping you....

Oh yeah, that pesky other half the country...

Posted by: carocanesfan | October 20, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

When Obama took the oath of office, he swore to uphold the Constitution - including the First Amendment (freedom of speech and the press.)

He does not take his oath seriously and is unfit to be President. The real or perceived political views of Fox are irrelevant to the discussion.

Posted by: pkhenry | October 20, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

The United Sheep of America scurry back and forth along the fence, some on the right, some on the left. The careless shepherds compete for the sheep's attention, with those on the left promising cradle to grave benefits and those on the right hiking Appalachian trails. In the distance, the storm clouds gather, with 104 trillion dollars in unfunded mandates. But the sheep prefer to watch the competition between the 9-year-old shepherds. Meanwhile, the wolves circle closer, some dressed as sheep, others with fangs bared.

Posted by: EliPeyton | October 20, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Oh please. There has never been a media company with the sheer power and demographic reach of Fox news that has been this partisan and biased. Nixon was (rightly) critiqued in his day by an objective media that DID THEIR JOB. Watergate took three years and involved thousands of hours of investigation to complete. And look at the result.

Fox news doesn't do that. They hire talking heads to spout rightest mantras as part and parcel of a business model that is designed to make itself attractive to the core viewers.

Fox is a travesty of an organisation. And the white house is right to freeze it out given the sheet misinformation Fox has spread about policies.

Fox is akin to the yellow journalism of the 19th century that started wars.

Posted by: Mikey6 | October 20, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Most politicians have had to deal with the press in the years and campaigns that it took to achieve the presidency. By anointing President Obama without giving him the experience of having to work for the job, left him totally unprepared for criticism. Too bad that he seems to have used Nixon's enemies lists as a model for dealing with anyone who doesn't fall into line.

Wonder how that's going to work for him long term?

Posted by: annetta3 | October 20, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Fox is not News it opinaganda or plain BS with an GOP wrapper. it's not new or unknown....whats the question?

Posted by: jpenergy | October 20, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

When Obama took the oath of office, he swore to uphold the Constitution - including the First Amendment (freedom of speech and the press.)

He does not take his oath seriously and is unfit to be President. The real or perceived political views of Fox are irrelevant to the discussion.

Posted by: pkhenry

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In America we also have traditionally recognized a difference between broadcast and print media. All this is a bit beside the point.

In calling out Fox "News" Obama's press operation is exercising their own right to free speech -- they aren't impeding Fox's ability to spout lies and half-truths. They aren't preventing Fox's core demo from willingly swallowing Fox's hourly lies, distortions, and manufactured controversies.

There's a fair question to be raised about the political calculation -- whether the move is wise or not (in my view it makes sense). The Constitutional issue is moot. Only in Murdochistan would this be seen as a Constitutional issue. In terms of the Constitution of the United States this one doesn't even brush the threshold of a legal controversy.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Some of these comments are hilarious. Does anyone really think that MSNBC is a real news station? Come on. K Olbermann is the biggest dbag on the planet. David Shuster is below even mentioning. Chris, the leg thrill Matthews is pathetic. Rachel Maddow, need I say more. These shows are just broken fountains that spout hatred and left wing talking points and idiology. See any balance with them at all? Do they have guests on who have views from the other side......nope, not very often. Do they think there are two sides to a story.......um, nope again.
As for CNN, let's talk about an error in reporting on Rush Limbaugh. Reporting happened that attributed statements to Mr. Limbaugh that he never made. Where are the retractions? Sanchez said he was sorry, kind of, on twitter. Was the record corrected? No, not really. How about Dan Rather and his infamous error about President Bush. What a great journalist these guys are. He would rather do a story that had forged documents instead of checking his information. Have I ever seen an error from Fox, yep, and I've seen them correct them. I watch all of the news channels and Fox is the only one who gives people of the other opinion a chance to say why. For those who say it is not a news organization are ridiculous. The white house looks childish and stupid to pick a fight with the only organization with the balls to call them on their ridiculous lies and lack of truth. Those posting against is don't even know what I'm talking about because they only watch the left leaning junk out there. Some of the best news men/women in the business today:
Shep Smith
Charles Krauthhammer
Bernie Goldberg
Bill Hemmer
Major Garret
Bret Baier
Brit Hume
Tony Snow RIP
Carl Cameron
Megan Kelly
Kirsten Powers
one of my favorite commentators-Susan Estrich
oh lookie, they are all from Fox.


My favorites from CNN ummmmmmmmm. Larry King and Campbell Brown
favorites from MSNBC-there arent' any from this waste of air.
For those who say Fox is not a fair news organization-have you ever watched the others? Be honest here. Everyone has their own biases but Fox doesn't lie about where their people stand.

Posted by: weelassie_nc | October 20, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Calling "Fox News" news is an insult to journalism and real news perveyors. Rupert Murdoch is a peddler of editorial support and has proven this time and again from his rise as an owner of a small provincial newspaper, here in Australia, to the megamarket for corrupt sales of opinion which is America.

Only the most rabid and stupid would consider "Fox News" as news. If you want real news you can't go past The Washington Post, at least in America! Which is why I read this paper before all the others, which are many! The only gripe I have with The Washington Post is that they occasionally have some silly opinion pieces where ridiculous assuptions are sometimes made, but, I understand their strategy of allowing for "freedom of opinion" as a marketing tool.

Posted by: icurhuman2 | October 20, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

""So how soon is Dancing With the Stars replaced by documentaries of the socialist worker's glorious harvest? Wake UP, America!""

Fox covered Obama's speeches on Fox News and Fox Business News. Using this example to slam Fox qualifies you for a position with the Post, Times, ABC, NBC and CBS and your own show on MSNBC.

"Faux"

Wow! Did you just make that up all by yourself. You qualify for the Obama administration. Let's play name games so we don't have to answer for our incompetence.

Let's see, we have news groups fact-checking SNL, using phony documentation a month before an election, nearly peeing on themselves when Obama speaks, having the high price of bananas as their lead story (60 Minutes, Aug), admitting to doing anything to get Obama elected, having nearly every editorial bash Bush (Times, Post), hosting an "Obama healthcare" day at the White House, asking Obama "what has enchanted him during his first six months", refusing to have Obama answer a tough question at a press conference, ......thousands of examples. I guess Fox would look conservative. I guess it is easier to attack Fox than defend their policies. Obama is an empty suit, so was Bush, and those that blindly support either.

Posted by: Tostitos | October 20, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

This is an utterly stupid article by Marcus, who has shown herself to be an untalented, half-bright mediocre columnist.

Obama is right to call out Fox "news" for its dishonest hackery on behalf of the GOP. While Fox caters to the most ignorant, bigoted, and least intelligent Americans with lies, slanted coverage, and hatemongering, there are honest, ethical news organizations out there who are far more deserving of a spot in the White House press room.

Let the Fox "news" rednecks wet their diapers over this, but there's nothing they can do.

Another good call, President Obama!

Posted by: losthorizon10 | October 20, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Wahhh Wahh, I'm Fox News, Obama's beating up on me, wahh wahh, please help me!!

Fox likes to throw punches, but they sure can't take it!

Keep it up Obama!

Posted by: Jake_D | October 20, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Fox isn't real news....not like The Daily Show....now that's real news.

LOL....silly liberals.

in whisper voice "shh, they don't sense the sarcasm yet"

Posted by: HugitThrough | October 20, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

The New York Times, in terms of information gathering and original reporting, leads the pack by a wide margin. Try a search in the archives of CNN, Compost, and any other outlet, and then try the DNC's mouthpiece.
The Compost, for its part, is the most committed to the free expression of ideas. I could post "Barack Hussein Obama" on the Compost, but not on FoxNews. It allows readers to post replies of all shapes and sizes...not so with the NYTimes.
If the AP shut down, everybody except the NYTimes would be hard pressed to fill the news cycle. Local newspapers would return to prominence, citizens would become more active in their communities, and city hall would rival Congress in terms of subject matter for the radio gum-flappers.

Posted by: EliPeyton | October 20, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

weelassie_nc,

Where is anyone saying that MSNBC is anymore of a dedicated news org than Fox?

Talk about defining "news" based on the lowest possible standard.

As a general rule of thumb cable "news" stinks. Most of the "news" on cable is stuff that they lift off the wires or from print sources (even Bernie Goldberg highlights this reality in his discussion of network news in "Bias". The networks at least invest some money in overseas foreign bureaus).

A few things about Fox.

It only has TWO hours of truly dedicated news programming.

The fact that a channel has two hours of "news" out of 24 hours of programming doesn't make it a "news channel" anymore than McDonald's is a fitness center because it has play pens for children.

The highest rated Fox programs are its opinion shows. That's what defines the network. Sometimes GOP talking points leak into the news coverage, but usually it's the 22 hours around the news that serve as the RNC research arm/echo chamber. The fact that a political ad man, Roger Ailes, oversees the channel is what would commonly be understood as a "conflict of interest" -- at least for any self-respecting news org that cares about objectivity.

It's not really funny, but your point pretty much drives home the point that the typical Fox "News" viewer can't differentiate between a news organization that strives for and values objectivity. Yes, it does have reporters -- although some of the people on your list don't really qualify (Krauthammer is an op-ed columnist, not a reporter; Kelly has training in law, not journalism; Cameron covered the Kerry campaign briefly in 2004 even though his wife was working on W's political campaign -- yet another pretty obvious "conflict of interest"). Even so, the "reporters" are largely confined to the two hours in the evening.

There are many examples of Fox crossing into something that isn't exactly news. The most egregious one though was its full-throated on-air promotion of the Tea-Bag protests this past year. Those are the kind of things that PR firms do, it's not what news orgs do. Yet Fox spent hundreds of hours of programming publicizing and promoting the event, and then it rolled out its news teams to cover the event as if it was news that they just happened to stumble upon. They criticized other news outlets for not giving sufficient attention to their PR event.

Fox simply slaps a "fair and balanced" label on the product and some people believe it. It's the same with the "news" label.

Fox isn't a news organization -- it's a political public relations firm. In 22 out of 24 hours of the day it has no standards of objectivity. That's what differentiates Fox from say the BBC or any other self-respecting news org.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Freedom of Speech - Need more be said?

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Voltaire (1694–1778), French philosopher, author.

Paraphrase of Voltaire’s sentiments in his Essay on Tolerance, as stated in: Evelyn Beatrice Hall, under the pseudonym S. G. Tallentyre, The Friends of Voltaire (1907). However, in February 1770, Voltaire wrote to M. le Riche: “Monsieur l’Abbé, I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write.

Posted by: ChelseaGirl | October 20, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

You know, lots of people watch the Fox channel. An awful lot of them keep it on from the minute they wake up until they go to bed. Lots of people work in offices that have it on all day. I don't understand it but I know that complaining about the channel is not going to change a single thing. But their numbers are not huge. The rest of the world should just ignore them. And that includes showing clips from these folks on the Daily Show, Colbert, MSNBC, etc.

Posted by: Rayme2 | October 20, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Ruth-looks like you hit a nerve telling the truth.

You have generated a lot of name-calling responses. Unfortunately, that has become the norm for those who basically seek to drown out discussion on any "inconvenient truths" you and other columnists document.

"Change we can believe in"-not!

Posted by: Towson_Tiger | October 21, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Great Ganesha's goiters! The sheer unhinged frothing vitriol on here! Have any of you "Faux/Fascist/etc. 'News'" types ever actually *watched* the channel?

I don't mean the commentary programs like that shrill chihuahua Hannity, bloviating blowhard O'Reilly, and...well...Beck. I mean the news desk. I mean "Special Report" at 6:00PM Eastern (the first half, before the panel discussion).

If any of you had the courage of your castigations, you would sit yourselves down, WATCH the thing, THEN pronounce whether it's a news organization worthy of the name **in your OWN opinion.** (fair's fair; I watched *hours* of MSNBC before I was satisfied that I was truly justified in kicking it off the lineup for relentless, hopelessly obfuscatory partisanship).

What you are likely to find unless you are an irredeemable ideologue (in either direction, mind you) is that the Fox news desk does not slew any harder to the right than CNN's does to the Left. Indeed, were one to alternate between the two sources, one would actually have a fairly (dare I say it) fair and balanced view of the news.

If Fox has a moderately Right-leaning editorial perspective, then it is worthy of note that it is the only one that does. Now, if it listed as hard to starboard as MSNBC does to port, then there *might* be a credible argument for freezing it out (not that the Bush Administration ever went on any crusades against MSNBC, mind you...). But that just ain't so. It provides a lone voice of contrasting perspective, and thus a great service to the Republic.

Get a grip, people.

Posted by: Noocyte | October 21, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

I listened to my parents who, unfortunately, were repeating what they heard on Fox as if it were truth. They are senior citizens and are easily misled. The rude and angry town hall yellers and the tea partyers all encouraged by fox and the health insurance industry really did it. I clued my parents on fox and persuaded them to watch CNN. I would like to know the reason Ruppert Murdoch has declared war on our White House. The ratings for fox are high. It seems the more Hannity, Beck and O'Reilly lie and twist the truth, the higher the ratings. I do not see how this can last, especially when more people daily are discovering fox's incredibility as a legitimate News organization.

Posted by: Carolyn207 | October 21, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Ruth,

You DO realize you're talking about a news channel, that, on the news portion (not the opinion portion), reprinted a Republican takling point word-for-word, EVEN REPEATING THE TYPO, right?

http://mediamatters.org/research/200902100019

I am not saying a war on Fox News if good or bad, stupid or smart. But let's stop pretending it's news.

Posted by: ahoypolloi | October 21, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse


Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for October 19, 2009

P2+ Total Day
FNC – 1,302,000 viewers
CNN – 462,000 viewers
MSNBC –386,000 viewers
CNBC – 222,000 viewers
HLN –306,000 viewers

P2+ Prime Time
FNC – 2,511,000viewers
CNN— 620,000 viewers
MSNBC –810,000 viewers
CNBC – a scratch w/ 117,000 viewers
HLN – 523,000 viewers

25-54 Total Day
FNC –366,000 viewers
CNN –150,000 viewers
MSNBC –143,000 viewers
CNBC – 76,000 viewers
HLN- 156,000 viewers

Posted by: arbeard | October 21, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

this is silly.

the "tall scrawny one" and the white house worry and complain about fox news?

why?

does "the chosen one" now want to control ALL dissent or contradiction in his policy?

wow.

hey obama?

f* you.

you are really starting to scare me.

i'm sorry if voted for you.

no more.

i'm going republican in 2010.

Posted by: AuthoritativeAuthoritarian | October 21, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

The administration only proves Fox is right. To declare war on any means of speech is unAmerican, i.e.: Socialist.

Posted by: arbeard | October 21, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

The First Amendment makes no distinction for political correctness. Free speech shall not be abridged. Period.

Obama vowed to defend the US Constitution, and is reneging on his vow. He is unfit for the office.

Posted by: pkhenry | October 21, 2009 12:55 AM | Report abuse

"Imagine the outcry if the Bush administration had pulled a similar hissy fit with MSNBC. “Opinion journalism masquerading as news,” "

We'll have to imagine it, because when the Bushies DID attack NBC and MSNBC, in May 2008, no one in the post (certainly not this columnist) so much as raised an eyebrow. In May 2008, at least five individuals in the Bush WH, including their press secretary from the podium, openly attacked NBC/MSNBC and refused to take questions from their reporters. But we have to imagine the uproar this caused, because, well...there was no uproar! Not until the Obama Admin criticized GOP News, anyway...

And as far as comparison! I mean, really, are you serious? GOP News is 24x7 GOP talking points. They routinely use proven, debunked GOP attacks during their straight news (not opinion shows) periods, even after they've been debunked.
Meanwhile, we have MSNBC with three hours of liberal discussion per evening...counterbalanced by three hours per day of right-wing Republicans in the morning show (ex-Rep Joe Scarborough, a Gingrich-Republican). Can any of you GOP News fans point me to the three hours per day of liberal opinion show on GOP News?...(chirp, chirp, chirp)...

Yep, "fair and balanced"! Or, as a judge made clear in a court of law when GOP News sued Al Franken, "wholly without merit"!

Posted by: Zoomie1 | October 21, 2009 12:56 AM | Report abuse

arbeard said "The administration only proves Fox is right. To declare war on any means of speech is unAmerican, i.e.: Socialist."

So what did it mean when the right-wing Republican Bush Admin declared war on the "liberal press" in general, and NBC/MSNBC specifically, as they did in May 2008? Did that prove liberals were right, and Bush was an unAmerican fascist?

Posted by: Zoomie1 | October 21, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse

""Wahhh Wahh, I'm Fox News, Obama's beating up on me, wahh wahh, please help me!!
Fox likes to throw punches, but they sure can't take it! Keep it up Obama!""

You can't be serious? This is the best thing that could happen to Fox ratings. Makes the MSM look weak and may actually force them to ask questions other than "what has enthralled you the first six months?" Leftist governments pull this kind of crap, not the US.

Posted by: Tostitos | October 21, 2009 1:08 AM | Report abuse

What is the fourth estate going to do about this threat? This administration is running a slash and burn campaign. Do you think the Washington Post will be immune are or you willing to be the lap dog of this White House? Where is your outrage? The latest Dunn video proves that the Obama administration managed the press like trained monkeys and you all fell for it. This week it's a slash/burn campaign against Fox and the US Chamber of Commerce; tomorrow, it will be the Washington Post de-legitimatize!

This is the same president that promise to unite us, to transcend politics, no blue or red states to unify the country? When is Obama's hypocrisy laid bare? The media both print and networks are abysmal cowards.

Posted by: lizzyearl | October 21, 2009 1:25 AM | Report abuse

wagner3792 said it all.

Posted by: kentuckywoman2 | October 21, 2009 1:54 AM | Report abuse

Face it guys. Conservatives are just better at being outraged about stuff.

Posted by: leftcoaster | October 21, 2009 2:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm looking at FNC in a way I've never done. I've watched, even on purpose sometimes. Amazing, how Goliath protests when he's identified! Like one of those 10-foot balloon men twisting in the wind - arms flailing. The matter has to be about a self-proclaimed extraordinarily successful television network that commends its virtues to all who listen and yet, when one person (yes, POTUS, but still ONE out of billions) decides not to deal with them, we, the public, get to see the spasms. It's wonderfully comic to watch. Chris Wallace's words about the WH are so ironic in this case because it portrays Fox beautifully, "I've never seen a bigger bunch of crybabies!"

Posted by: slrubysgem1 | October 21, 2009 3:38 AM | Report abuse

When Ms. Marcus tosses around words like "war," I wonder if she has been Fox-ized. War involves armed conflict with an enemy. I even question her use of "attack." Someone in her position should choose her words carefully. On the other hand, if by "war" she means a war of nerves, or a conflict over something harmful, then why wouldn't the White House get involved since news outlets like WaPo have failed to take on Rupert Murdock for his lie mongering? And if by attack Ms. Marcus means to begin work with purpose and vigor, I hope that is what the White House is doing because, again, institutions like the WaPo have failed. Ms. Marcus has turned her back on the fact that Rupert Murdock and Roger Ayles are profiting from peddling fear and lies to a significant portion of Americans. Threats against our legitimately elected president have increased many fold. Does Ms. Marcus not think that people like Glen Beck, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh have something to do with this? There is a big difference in what MSNBC sells as news and what FOX News or Limbaugh peddle. If she doesn't know that, she isn't paying attention. Why does she think Fox News listeners are so ill informed and why is that OK with her? I don't get it. I guess I'm dumb. I think using words like war, attack, assault, and enemy is overboard and quite frankly, lazy. I would not call Ms. Marcus dumb, because she isn't, but I would say she could have done some research before publishing her opinion. Even opinion "news" should be informed. I hope she will take a closer look and write a more informed column in the near future. The focus should be on Fox's affect on the public. Are they hurting or helping?

Posted by: msu73 | October 21, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

FOX News is loving all of this attention as their ratings go through the roof.

Posted by: harryvederchi | October 21, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I would love to just ignore Fox but the s--- of b------ have brainwashed my mother. My mother is a person who very rarely reads, does not use the internet and does not watch any other channel for news. She calls me sometimes just to tell me how afraid she is. I mean she is really scared. Luckily she is not a violent person at all.

I won't give up until I have deprogrammed her. They are not going to get my mother.

Posted by: philosopher911 | October 21, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

And Rachel Maddow, Keith Olberman and Chris Matthews are not slanted in their "reporting". Yeah right.

Thank goodness there is one channel that questions instead of just following Obama around licking his a** and selling it off as news.

Posted by: siridh | October 21, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

So where the hell were you when the venerable veteran Helen Thomas was snubbed by the Shrub and sent to the back of the room?

Posted by: ericarthurblair1 | October 21, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

By the very fact that Fox doesn't have a liberal bias, it's accused of being conservative. Since the media, outlets such as NYT, WP, LA Times, ABC, NBC, etc., have always had a liberal slant, identifiable for decades, comes Fox news which dispenses with such a leftward attitude, and howls of "right wingers" follow.

Fox is actually very fair, though it's prime time line up has generally conservative opinion commentators (Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity). But they are of different kinds, O'Reilly is sort of affable and cranky at the same time, Hannity is the most clearly conservative, and Beck, well he has a niche all his own.

But Special Report (at 6pm) and Van Sustern (at 10pm) are pretty even handed. As are most of the news reports during the day. Compare to MSNBC, the entire day is filled with one opinion piece after another, turning many previously ostensibly objective reporter types into partisan hacks (Fineman, Nora O'Donnell, etc.)

If there is a criticism of Fox to be made is that it too often pursues more tabloid stories rather than hard news.

Posted by: saxonthedog | October 21, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

That's a revealing statement if I ever saw one - in ANY OTHER COUNTRY THEY WOULD BE SHOT AS TRAITORS. Really? You think there isn't hostile press against Gordon Brown? Against Berlusconi? No one's been shot so far. In Venezuela on the other hand Chavez (Obama's friend) has shut down newspapers and other media who dare to criticize his dictatorship - many reporters are in jail. Do you envy that? Who's the traitor? The traitor is the one who defends a personality against the constitution. The traitor is the one who wants no dialogue, no discourse and no dissent. That's not America. So maybe you should think about heading to Venezuela where you'll feel quite at home.

"Obama's dumb war? The only thing dumb about not attacking Fox News is not attacking them every second of every day like they do Obama. Since when does it matter who has more ink (or psuedo ink)? Fox News feeds their cancerous anti-Obama hate into living rooms across the world non stop. In any other country they would be shot as traitors! Absolutely nothing but negative propaganda with no solutions for anything!"

Posted by: driveshesaid | October 21, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Umm - wtf over?

Why all this artificial parity between Fox and MSNBC? As if these are equivalent?

Why is it that there was no outrage when MS-NBC was frozen out for being 'Liberal'? MS-NBC gives Joe Scarborough hours everyday. PBS gives the McLaughlin Group a spot in their Friday night line-up - yet these are accused of being *far* too one-sided and liberal.

Yet, when the administration posits that, just maybe, it might be reasonable to not support a 'news' network that posits that universal health care is a step towards *Fascism* the Washington Post is suddenly deeply, deeply concerned.

To steal a phrase, Does Glenn Beck have photos of the WP editorial board playing golf with Satan?

Posted by: Jonnan | October 21, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

pkhenry wrote:
"The First Amendment makes no distinction for political correctness. Free speech shall not be abridged. Period.

"Obama vowed to defend the US Constitution, and is reneging on his vow. He is unfit for the office."

That's right! As every Republican knows, free speech means that the right wing is free to criticize, but the target of the criticism is not allowed to respond to the criticism!

(But not the other way around. We Republicans are allowed to cry "liberal media" and point the finger at MSNBC whenever we choose, but Democrats are not allowed to point the finger at Fox News when it attacks.)

Posted by: Jake_D | October 21, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

It's clear Obama considers Fox News more of a threat than the Taliban. The surge is going to take place here on the homeland, with Move On and other left wing radicals coming to the fight...Read: The Jihad aginst Fox News ..at....http://cooperscopy.blogspot.com/

Posted by: ronsuev | October 21, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Who is in charge of the White House?
• Rahm Emanuel?
• Valarie Jarrett?
• Mr. Axelrod?
• Michelle Obama?
• The three dozen czars?
It may be that there are way too many cooks in the kitchen that is causing indecisiveness to take over! It is evident that they (collectively) have ZERO COMPREHENSION OF THE RESOURCE OF TIME – IN RELATION TO COMBAT! Emanuel is peddling the notion that they have to wait to see who is going to win during the November 7 revote. For Pete’s sake, whoever wins will be pro American. Think Team Obama is more afraid of their LEFT WING than they are sworn enemies of the USA!

This idea of taking on all who disagree with them is sophomoric at best, and IS NOT PRESIDENTIAL. If the White House takes a look at the Gallup and Rasmussen polls of October 21, they will be adding at least 50% of the US population to their ‘ENEMIE’S LIST’!

Think the only reason Team Obama is mad at Fox is that it was the only news agency doing its job: it outed Van Jones, and ACORN embarrassing the Administration for not having done its home work, or, worse yet, tried to slip a couple of real losers by the American people!!


Posted by: wheeljc | October 21, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, who's the dumb one again?

"Marcus must have forgotten, for example, when a top White House advisor to President Bush targeted NBC in May 2008, accusing the network of deceptive editing and blurring the lines between "news" and "opinion." Officials from the Bush team, around that time, began treating NBC and MSNBC as political opponents...
The president's press secretary at the time proceeded to complain about NBC from behind the White House podium, saying that staffers had grown "fed up" with the network's coverage, and that frustration among the president's aides "reached a boiling point" and "boiled over." ...

Posted by: rbjones2 | October 21, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

i find it a hopeful development that obama has the spine to go to war with somebody! too bad it's his own country.

Posted by: steveinoc | October 21, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

For me, a simple business man from Europe, is more easy than everybody think. I SIMPLY WATCH FRANCE 24 IN ENGLISH, FRENCH OR ARABIC AND THAT’S IT. France 24 is the best 24/7 news channel that I’ve ever saw. It is objective, to the point and at the same time globally oriented. Beautifully tailored and artistically crafted . By now I have to watch FRANCE 24 over the internet while I am in the US because it doesn’t exist in the cable or satellite system yet, but I hope very soon they will be. It is a shame that US people’s intelligence are miss-respected by the manipulated opinion from “The Monsters” and they don’t have the option to see FRANCE 24 as I have. Bad for you, sorry. But try watching FRANCE 24 in english at france24.com and then you will feel the difference.

Posted by: TomasMasarik | October 22, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

You can talk until you're blue in the face about how good the fox news channel is if you ignore the opinion shows. But then there is Glenn Beck every day at prime time.

Like it or not, Glenn Beck is the face of Fox New.

Posted by: philosopher911 | October 22, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/10/peoples-cube-obamas-war-on-fox-news.html

Fox is #1

Posted by: arbeard | October 22, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Some of you folks might dis Glenn Beck, but he's the only one willing to ask the difficult questions. The reason the White House hates him so is if they truthfully answered those questions, we'd all grab a pitch fork, head to Washington, and have the biggest White House cleaning in the history of this nation. This coming from a highly educated, well-read grandpa who happens to be an Independent!

Posted by: Rockyspoon | October 22, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

The Only person who is Dumb is you, and coming to the defense of the Bully.
FOX news have being waging WAR against all Democrats even before Bush become president, and now that their preferable party lost control they could not see strait, so they went on Lying spree from Indonesian Madrassa to the Tea or the Birther protest and that separate from the Opinion Shows(Oreilly, Hanity Beck etc, their daily news editorial is decided whether the story going to be against Obama or not, oh yeah and once in a while they have a story about a missing blond girl in Aruba, or Toddler kidnaped or the flying balloon, Get a life Marcus, you want to get a job in FOX.

Posted by: tqmek1 | October 22, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Glad our messiah hates Fox. Now I do not have to listen to his and his lackeys lies.
Keith Doberman and Rachel Maddow had a 2 1/2 hour session with the messiah from Mombasa. They sure are objective aren't they as they parrot propaganda similar to Pravda. No independent thinking by MSNBC. Chris Matthews on MSNBC's Hardball says that Obama's grandmother, Sarah Obama, is lying when she said that she was at Obama's birth at Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. Chris's leg is still tingling when he sees or hears the messiah. GE, the owner of MSNBC stands to profit from the Crap and Trade Bill in the billions. That is why they are kissing Obama every chance they get.

Posted by: mascmen7 | October 23, 2009 2:46 AM | Report abuse

You should be ashamed for contributing to The blurring of the real world with manufactured imagery. The BS between the White House and Fox it is not a friggin war.
we are fighting 3 wars ~ Iraq, Afghanistan,and the one in the nation where drones are flying into ~ Pakistan ~
wars involve dropping bombs and killing "real" human beings with "real" lives...
good lord.
I suspect what you are doing is NOT unconscious .. if you and your ilk can get folks to start thinking in this manner and not acknowledge the pain and suffering
the terms collateral damage and boots on the ground the propaganda tool of the government that used to be the 4th estate will condition the citizens to stop thinking of the dead human beings as real people, our next door neighbors or family members.
you suck;

Posted by: AmericanSpirit | October 23, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Be AFRAID, when a Government wants to duct-tape an alternative viewpoint. I don't know which party you belong to, but I believe in an open society that can discuss freely and point out any and all government actions that effect our lives (and pockets, no matter which party).

Does our government feel that FOX is a real detriment to society, or does it feel that POLITICALLY it is losing the "game" and popular influence and want to shut down Fox for the latter reason.

Am I in America or Russia?

ALWAYS question goverment no matter which party!!!

Long Live Democracy and an Open Society!!

Posted by: HailCaesar | October 23, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I regularly watch Fox. I also listen to the BBC and PBS for news. I read newspapers and occasionally, Newsweek and Time. I go to Huffington Post and Drudge. I try to read all sides of a story before forming an opinion. I dislike being called (by many posters here) ignorant, uneducated, redneck, hillbilly, teabagger and other unsavory names. I am a Republican, I'm educated and I vote. BTW, there are lots of us out here in middle America contrary to "popular" opinion.

Posted by: prplhz | October 23, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, Ruth, I'm not clear what he downside is. Fox News viewers are so heavily Republican, statistically speaking, that there is nothing to gain trying to "befriend" or "persuade" them by even appearing on Fox News programs. There is no one there to explain anything to and if they are that curious for another point of view, then they can buy a Washington Post. If anything, the Obama Administration's tack forces Fox viewers to reach outside their comfort zone. Not a bad thing for any herd.

The key question is the costs vs. benefits of freezing Fox News out and then going public with that. I believe the freezing was already occurring. Fox's coverage and active promotion of teabagging is what pushed this into the public. Frankly, it's a perfectly shrewd political maneuver: it shores up Obama's Democratic base, which is dominating party affiliation trends currently. Moreover, it is a younger demographic than Fox's older audience. And the attrition among independents is unlike to be great. In brief, I think the Obama administration has already tested the costs and benefits of its response and seen that non-response hurts more than helps. They have probably even taken into account your "dismay."

Frankly, your taking umbrage strikes me as, if not disingenuous, then unearned. The relative lack of hullaballoo over the Bush Administration's manipulation and pressuring of journalists and press outlets illustrate only too well the lack of thought you are giving to what is going on politically here. In brief, the teabagging outrages of the summer, high-handedly promoted by Fox News, nearly put health care reform into a tail spin. If you--be you a politician, a billionaire with an axe to grind, AHIP, or, yes, a news organization--are going to involve yourself in the political process to that extent, don't be surprised by the political repercussions.

Note this is not Nixonian. Journalists didn't mess with Nixon's policies, per se, but his actual corruption (all fair game for journalists, regardless of slant). But Fox played with fire on health care, so please don't bother shedding tear about it getting burned.

Posted by: shoshdad | October 23, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

shoshdad - your self-absorbed rhetoric does nothing but turn off anyone reading that diatribe. It's as silly and ineffective as Obama's war with Fox. It's true Fox News covered the Tea Parties, etc. They also covered ACORN and Van Jones. Other news organizations picked up those stories later -- when their backs were to the wall for protecting Obama's "image." Pretty funny that they were a day late and a dollar short -- it appears that Fox can laugh all the way to the bank as those stories and Obama's reaction to them created a windfall of Fox promotion and publicity.

Posted by: pjcafe | October 23, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Marcus, If the WH wants to refute the lies that FOX News tells against her, why should this bother other organizations who do not tell these lies? If the WH observes that Fox News has championed anti-government activities to the level of an opposition party, given home to Hannity, Glenn Beck who called the president a racist, is there anyone else who cannot see this? Every responsible government has a constitutional duty not to sit back and allow lies to dispensed to the citizens for news. Is there no measure of decency in our democracy?
What do you mean by " White House look small, dragged down to the level of Glenn Beck?" What level is Glenn Beck? It is Glenn Beck, your idol, that dragged the WH to his gutter level. If you don't think Glenn Beck is doing irrepairable racist - driven damage to this country, go and read advertisement 101: when lies is repeated constantly, it is believed as truth".
And by the way, Your Washington Post is owned by the owner of Fox . To listen to you is not to look for objectivity.
Why won't you defend a partner in crime? And to hope anyone will believe anything you've spued out is itself dumb.

Posted by: craignorman60 | October 25, 2009 5:07 AM | Report abuse

Marcus points out the pettiness of the Obama regime, yet misses the point that Fox News is successful at doing what the MSM lapdogs won't: analyze and question Obama's socialist aganda and the radical miscreants with whom he surrounds himself.

Posted by: killer_85 | October 25, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The only NITWITT here is you, lady, if I can call you lady instead of Biatch.
Fox is a TABLOID mouth piece whose entire agenda is to create more Dumb and miseducated Americans who would always get exploited by the GOP SOCIOPATHS, while keeping them poor, stupid and Ignorant.
America has the greatest percentage of Citizen Idiots in the world, and Fox has vowed to keep it that way.
SHAME.

Posted by: Riot5000 | October 26, 2009 2:10 AM | Report abuse

Good article! I look forward to keep seeing FOX NEWS nightly. Of course I also watch the other newscasts. Amazing how Americans can make up their own minds and opinions on the present administration. I once had high hopes for this president, until such times that he began his "divide and conquer" approach. Big business, the banks, the insurance companies, the Chamber of Commerce, etc....Who is next? I see a one term president here!

Posted by: SeniorVet | October 26, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

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