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Palin 'Catastrophic' for GOP?

Steve Schmidt, John McCain's chief campaign strategist in 2008, said today that a Sarah Palin presidential nomination in 2012 would be “catastrophic” for the GOP. Is this controversial?

I can’t count the ways in which she is a poor candidate. She’s a terrible strategist, having inexplicably resigned before the end of her first term. She's a capricious handler of her public appearances and the press. She picked a fight with David Letterman, of all people. People give her credit for having a unique brand of political charisma, but she needs prepared texts lest she go off the rails. (Remember her farewell speech as governor? Or the unbelievable one before that announcing her resignation? George W. Bush is a veritable William F. Buckley by comparison.)

But here's the thing that rankles me most: As David Brooks, Kathleen Parker and others have pointed out, Palin draws strength from a side of the Republican Party that is hostile to, as Michael Gerson put it a few weeks ago, the very idea of ideas. (Her allegiance to that constituency was reconfirmed this week with the news that she pumped out a 400-page memoir in a mere four months. How insulting to those she expects to read the book.) Surely the GOP has more to offer than that. No wonder so many mainstream conservatives have rebuked her.

But even if you set all that aside, Palin still is undeniably one of the most divisive characters in American politics -- across the political spectrum and within the GOP. When Mike Huckabee won the Iowa caucuses, Republican strategists worried that his Southern-fried populism would split the party if he won the nomination. On that score, Palin is far worse. She would tear the party to pieces.

By Stephen Stromberg  | October 2, 2009; 1:36 PM ET
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This idiot writing the article doesn't have a clue about what is going on in mainstreet America. He has no clue why Palin is so popular among a wide swath of people. By the time he figures it out, if he ever does, Palin will have outsmarted him and all his liberal cohorts. The next few years will be entertaining to watch as the liberals scratch their heads bloody trying to figure out why Palin's popularity continues to grow while the Messiah Obama's fades away.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

The cold-blooded cynicism of the GOP and John McCain was amply demonstrated by the single act of proposing Sarah Palin for the office of vice-president. The best and only question was and is: Is this third-rate person really the best and brightest that the GOP has to offer the country? That she is still around making her incredible noises -- a 400-page book by a semi-literate! -- is further testimony of the Republican party's indifference to the greater good of the country. Enough is enough!

Posted by: 80parone | October 2, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I voted for McCain-Palin. I will vote for Sarah should she run again. And, I agree with one of the comments that the fellow writing has no clue of the anger and feeling being expressed by the American public over the extreme liberal actions in this country.

What is even more of a mystery, is the continuing level of comments by a national media against a former candidate for vice-president, long after the elections are over. I don't think in my memory [I am 71] I recall a time when a former candidate has been so vilified by the media, when he/she is no longer involved in an active election.

It is obvious that Mrs Palin is a person the media knows will not cow-tail to them.

She is my candidate, and I can't wait to vote again.

GO SARAH

Posted by: whitefield1 | October 2, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

80parone: Actually it was ghost written by another partisan hack who shares the same view as her. Despite the noise that she has generated thus far, she still not qualified to even run for the highest office. To her fans: the only thing she has going for herself is being gosh darn cute and reading from a prepared text with absolutely no knowledge of economics and finance- my case: her speech in Hong Kong recently about "Reaganomic" and blaming others for the financial crisis without any empirical evidence.

Posted by: beeker25 | October 2, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Just another one of the endless, vicious, baseless, slime attacks attacks on Sara Palin.

At least these give the lowest-of-the-low in our society something to do.

President Palin - nice ring to it!

Posted by: LoonyLeft | October 2, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

To MikeJ9116:
You wrote, "This idiot writing the article doesn't have a clue about what is going on in mainstreet America."
I disagree. Stromberg (the writer) knows exactly what is going on. As he puts it, Palin and her "mainstreet American" followers are "hostile to ... the very idea of ideas." For the life of me I can't understand how people in the greatest country in the world can believe that being rational and thoughtful is bad, and believe being insular, self-absorbed, and unintelligent is good.

Posted by: MrMerkin | October 2, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Cat o'9 stupidity of stupidities to have this failure continue to haunt us through the media..will someone sweep the carpet out..??

Posted by: mdsubramonia | October 2, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

No. The writer and Palin's critics know precisely what is going on on Main Street. The notion that we don't is a lie propounded by the right to paint us all as latte sipping PhD's. Nothing could be further from the truth. Palin is the worst kind of pablum for the small contingent in this country that still thinks it's cool to do poorly in school. Witness Palin's decision to drop out of UH because it was too rainy. I can't believe I'm saying this but if the only choice was GW or Palin, I'd take GW. (ick, I think I threw up a little).

Posted by: dhsavidge | October 2, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I think Sarah Palin is the perfect candidate, just what the GOP needs. I encourage all her supporters to give early and often so you can drive out any credible (ie electable) opposition. Go Sarah!

Posted by: Norcal | October 2, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I am a left winger, a Socialist as a matter of fact. I wholeheartedly encourage the GOP to pick Palin in 2012. I might even contribute to her campaign, it would be worth it purely for the entertainment value. It would also sound the death knell for the Christofascist know-nothing wing of the GOP, which would be a welcome development.

Posted by: levbronstein | October 2, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

The only possible way to explain Palin's popularity as a candidate is to understand that the people who take Palin seriously are the same ones who do not take government seriously.

The radical right base that might support a Palin for President does not have exacting for the job. A President Palin would be expected to dismantle the government by day and give speeches against the corruption and immorality of secular, liberal culture by night.

The reason the Republican Party is now so down and out is because it is populated with people who don't care how scary they look to the rest of us. They don't care what we think of them because they don't really care about winning. They are not into politics to win elections so they can govern the nation. For them politics is protest, and a Palin run in 2012 wouldn't be a campaign. It would be a crusade.

Posted by: TedFrier | October 2, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I take it all back. Palin/Guccione 2012!

Posted by: dhsavidge | October 2, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MrMerkin
For the life of me I can't understand how people in the greatest country in the world can...... believe being insular, self-absorbed, and unintelligent is good.
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You do realize you just described Obama perfectly?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have survived the Nixon disgrace, Agnews prison sentence, Limbaughs drugs, Bush's assassination of Hussein and friendship with Osama Bin Laden, Foley's restroom romps, and so many other absurd situations that Palin's stupidity will be simple to overcome. There are always some who just don't care what's right or wrong as long as they win at any cost.

Posted by: anOPINIONATEDsob | October 2, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dhsavidge
No. The writer and Palin's critics know precisely what is going on on Main Street. The notion that we don't is a lie propounded by the right to paint us all as latte sipping PhD's. Nothing could be further from the truth. Palin is the worst kind of pablum for the small contingent in this country that still thinks it's cool to do poorly in school. Witness Palin's decision to drop out of UH because it was too rainy. I can't believe I'm saying this but if the only choice was GW or Palin, I'd take GW. (ick, I think I threw up a little).
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By posting the above drivel, you just proved you don't "get it". You and the writer are one and the same. You have a rough few years ahead of you.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116 -

Liberals know very well why Sarah Palin is popular and amongst whom, and your comment is a case in point that proves the article´s statement that she is divise.

Posted by: asoders22 | October 2, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Please nominate Sarah Palin as the GOPs presidential candidate...and watch every single fiscal conservative and middle of the road Republican run for the hills or vote for the Democrats. I hope she runs. It will be all the more entertaining when only Alaska and South Carolina vote for her.

Posted by: kmob181 | October 2, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

To commenter Whitefield1: I'm not familiar with the verb "cow-tail." Is it possible you meant to say kowtow? Were you a classmate of Ms. Palin?

Posted by: dnickels1 | October 2, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

YOu know...I could believe that Gov. Sarah Palin is as badly flawed and ignorant as all you lefties claim she is... if you'd just quit trying to totally DESTROY her. Get that? did you?
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And, by the way, don't offer up the opinion on her of anyone who has worked or stillworks for John McCain as he is just a Leftie Lite, the hand-picked "other candidate" of the 2008 elections and the real reason we have to put up with President Obama for 4 years. Good luck to us all.

Posted by: TXSFRED | October 2, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Just FYI, for those defending Mrs. Palin here, I and many of my Democratic friends, prior to the election last year, were not averse to voting for Senator McCain (depending on who won the Democratic primary) but his selection of Mrs. Palin as his running mate ensured that we stuck with our party.

Posted by: SouthernerInDC | October 2, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

18% of the american public believes the sun revoles around the earth. what else do those 18% believe?

Posted by: michael5 | October 2, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Catastrophic is what we have in the White House right now. A Community Organizer who has a Socialist agenda and has surrounded himself with some very scary and quite questionable Czars.

Posted by: CayC | October 2, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a wonderful intelligent woman, a devout Chritian, a pert and perky agent of real change, and a wonderful roll model for girls and women. There are more women than men in America and she will win for this reason alone. Carrie Prejean would make a wonderful vice presidential canidate and would confound the tounges of the liberal media and democrats who think out party is one who discriminates and consists of only old men as it's leaders.

Posted by: SavedGirl | October 2, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Catastrophic is what we have in the White House right now. A Community Organizer who has a Socialist agenda and has surrounded himself with some very scary and quite questionable Czars.

Posted by: CayC | October 2, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

18% of the american public believes the sun revoles around the earth. what else do those 18% believe?

Posted by: michael5 | October 2, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: asoders22
Liberals know very well why Sarah Palin is popular and amongst whom, and your comment is a case in point that proves the article´s statement that she is divise.
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There are many more conservatives in this country than liberals by about a 2:1 margin. Obama got elected by lying and now his lies are showing brightly. Obama and the Democrats are going to pay a steep price for their deception in 2010 and 2012. At the pace Obama is failing, Palin, or any other Republican, will easily beat him in 2012.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: michael5
18% of the american public believes the sun revoles around the earth. what else do those 18% believe?
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They believe socialism/Marxism/fascism is good for the USA.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Why would anyone give any credibility to what Schmidt prognosticates? This guy was point-man on one of the most chaotic and ultimately most-bungled political campaigns in recent history. This buffoon made the Mike Dukakis effort look like a well-oiled machine. Conservatives around the country are still laughing at you, pal.

Hey, Schmidt - Why don't you find a job you can actually PERFORM?

Posted by: Rocks66 | October 2, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

What's really funny is these same people questioning Palin's competence are the same jackasses who voted for Obama. The media must really be afraid of her since they keep trying to villainize her.

Posted by: LifeTraveler | October 2, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

And don't forget that Barack Obama was such a "good" choice for President. Change we could all believe in. Marxism? Please.

Posted by: ssol4569 | October 2, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Come on Sarah... you've had plenty of time to think about what newspapers you read, what Supreme Court decisions have been made, what are the Earth's continents.

Prove to the world you're not just an ACTRESS reading other peoples speeches and can think for yourself... it's time you appear on "MEET THE PRESS."

LOL, Saturday Night Live could use the material.

Posted by: republican_disaster | October 2, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you TXSFred that the attacks on a woman who has done remarkable things (considering where she comes from)are unwarranted. I think, too, that if she's the best the GOP can come up with for a presidential candidate then we're going to see a long line of Democratic victories, because if Carter was the Republican's banner against Big Government, W is the Democrat's argument against too little government - and both are very valid points. Obama could socialize for the next four years and we'd still be under-regulated for the ideal amount of governance. I only hope the Democrats grow some balls and do something about it instead of continuing to pass Republican policy and fail on passing their own.

Posted by: JRinBellingham | October 2, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Actually, it was Mccain who was a catastrophe. Many people, Republicans, stayed awy from the polls because they could not stomach him and his unwillingness to address Obama's associations with a racist, anti-American, anti-Semitic Church practicing Black Liberation Theology. That is why he lost.

Posted by: WyattE | October 2, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

It is undisputed that Palin has been the target of excessive and unfair attacks. As a tactician, however, I think the author has a point and, even though I am a conservative Republican, I think some of the criticism of this article is more of an emotional reaction than a cold tactical analysis.
Even great people sometimes screw up their careers with bad moves. In 1968 Gov. Romney used the word "brainwashed" in an interview and ended up politically dead. Remember?
Palin was treated unfairly during the campaign but had some public sympathy going for her, but I think that she really hurt herself by resigning as governor. Like it or not, that act gave us the image of a quitter who"got going" when things got rough. Instead of giving the real reasons for resigning (incessant fraudulent ethics charges, mounting expenses and an inability to function effectively), any or all of which might have softened the impact, Sarah gave one of the dumbest "reasons" I have heard in 60 years; "I am resigning because I am a lame duck so let's save money".
It is that sort of tactical error (and perhaps lousy advice from her staff) that could spell disaster for the GOP if Palin is on the 2012 ticket.
Even if Sarah can be defended (and I think she can) , a ticket that starts the campaign on "defense" (especially a ticket challenging an incumbent) is doomed at the very start.
Sarah is young, and I think she should do the "Reagan thing". That is, she should go on radio, earn credulty as a commentator, and maybe run for Congress or the Senate in 2014, then try for the national ticket after the public has seen the new palin. She is young and has time to do this. But 2012 would be a trainwreck.

Posted by: MARKM2 | October 2, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116 - wow, are you in love with palin?

Posted by: jwiegner | October 2, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Schmidt, the Rove-trained mastermind? Oh yeah, he did a great job for Republicans in 'o8, didn't he?

as for "This idiot writing the article doesn't have a clue about what is going on in mainstreet America", Palin's attraction to 20% of extreme right wing voters, the 'southern' of Nixon's "southern strategy", IS strong and will help keep Republicans out of power for a generation. Go Sarah Go!

Posted by: thebobbob | October 2, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

bottom line - she quit

Posted by: jwiegner | October 2, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I hope sarah does run. I want a second term for President Obama to finish his projects. She would most assuredly give it to him. Airhead comes to mind.

Posted by: mikal427 | October 2, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

kkk loves sarah

Posted by: jwiegner | October 2, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

The hearts to win are the middle-of-the-roaders, the "independents," the wishy-washy, the easily led and misled. Leftist leaders DO tend to be snobbish, pseudo-intellectuals who think they know what's best for all of America and they use other peoples wallets to fund that hypocrisy (Pelosy). The battle is really between fiscal conservatives and the unbridled spenders in congress. If you (or any other leftist loon) promise free health care to 100 people, roughly half would swoon and the other half would think, "There's no such thing as a free lunch?" Judging from the last election only about 4% of the people said, "Huh?" and then were persuaded by the pied piper to vote for CHANGE. Well, they got it! Now we ALL are paying the price and appear to have little say since the dems think WE are the fringe!? The 2010 election won't be a catastrophy, but it will be cataclysmic. Now that the average working joe and jane see through the MSM continual hoax (as evidenced by ratings) our nation will swing violently in one direction or the other. I for one hope we will not deny our Judeo-Christian roots and return to ideals like personal responsibility, integrity, true caring; not entitlements, spin, lies and more intrusive government programs.

Posted by: papag1 | October 2, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Finally a Republican tells the truth. Steve Schmidt is correct...Pailin would be a disastrous candidate for president. The inept bimbo didn't have what it takes to succeed and walked off her job in a backwoods place like Alaska...where she could see Rusha from her house. Oh geeze.

Posted by: vintel7 | October 2, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Please please please encourage Sarah P to run. She'll be tripping over her tongue and spouting the kind of braindead "socialist/Marxist" claptrap we're seeing on this blog, and the vast majority of people will soon be giggling, if not laughing out loud, at her featherlight intellectual abilities.

As a proud LIBERAL, I can't think of a better gift from the GOP to the country/world than having brainless Saracuda, who needed five colleges to get a BA and couldn't manage a single term as AK governor, run against Barack Obama. I mean, OMG! Please, all you knuckle draggers, keep faith with your next GOP candidate, Sarah Palin. Run, Sarah, run!

Posted by: yogi11 | October 2, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: yogi11 | October 2, 2009 3:27 PM

BEST POST EVER!!

Posted by: republican_disaster | October 2, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

how can people still show so much support for a person who quit her job in first term, cant answer a direct question honestly or intelligently at all, and is so seriously removed from logical and rational thinking that its actually painful to listen to her speak. Listening to her speak is like watching Steve Carrell on the Office. Sure its funny, but at the same time it makes you sad inside to know there is someone that is incapable of introspection and resonable, critical thinking. What a waste of a public plateform.

Posted by: Ish123 | October 2, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Ummm, I think the first poster nailed it. Those of us who don't "get" Palin really don't. There is clearly a massive divide between people who think she's a rising political star and those who see her as a looming political disaster for whoever supports her. Can't be explained. But I'm all for a 2012 Palin candidacy. As another poster said, Palin's a good "roll" model, and she will get rolled.

Posted by: JoeODonnell | October 2, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

republicans should be able to do better than palin. she lost the election for mccain. why would they run her for prez? silliness.

Posted by: mock1ngb1rd | October 2, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Additional note: I concur that McCain was a one-man disaster and I did not support him. McCain is too busy protecting his gentlemanly image to get down to bareknuckle fighting, even with the fate of the nation at stake. McCain should have benefitted by the revelations about Rezko, Ayers, Wright et al, but ordered the campaign not to exploit Obama's treasonous friends. McCain is a wimp, and I frankly doubt that he is man enough to stand up to the Democrat Congress or that his presidency would ultimately differ from Obamas.
The good news, however, is that Obama is president during the current mess, so the GOP does not have to defend or explain anything right now. The Dems are now making their pacifist, socialist, depressed little world, and they can wallow in their beloved misrey until 2012.

Posted by: MARKM2 | October 2, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, who supports the likes of the preposterous Sarah Palin as someone who would be good for this wonderful country cannot possibly have the national security of the USA as a high priority. She, along with her supporters are intellectual Neanderthals. How shallow can you get?

The difference between a soccer mom and a pit bull is not lipstick but that a pit bull does not quit.

Posted by: grandan | October 2, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

The surest way for Republicans to ensure that they don't get votes from those overeducated elitist independents and moderates is to nominate Palin. It takes more than 28% of the vote to win the Presidency. The echo chamber of the party is loud, but not very crowded, certainly not with enough votes to win a national election.

Posted by: windrider2 | October 2, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Palin followers don't have the education even understand the meaning of being hostile to the very idea of ideas.

The great American tragedy is all those angry right-wing people who have been let down time after time by the very leaders they look up to and hope will help them - they have been financially robbed, killed by the thousands in wars, lied to, had their Constitution mocked so that their human rights are violated, and if they are unlucky and out of work and poor, are running the risk of dying without care on the floor of the ER - those people still hang on to their abusers.

And they are asking for more abuse, simply because they are scared and their brains are locked, and they have never learned to critically evaluate anything from several angles.

They don't care if Sarah Palin actually has the skills to run a country, because they don't even know how to start investigating the matter, and they don't care if billions of dollars go to warfare, while enriching big business en route, as long as it doesn't go to kids and health care. My God, it's such a tragic irony.

Posted by: asoders22 | October 2, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse


When asked about what foreign affairs experience she brings to the table, Palin responded, "I can see Russia from Alaska."
Calling her a blithering idiot is being far too kind.

Posted by: chasemonster | October 2, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Hooray for you Palin supporters! You should work hard for her nomination! Keep those donations rolling in! Never let them tell you that she isn't intelligent! Never let them tell you that YOU aren't intelligent! Keep the faith!

sincerely,
A STAUNCH DEMOCRAT

Posted by: PyotrZ | October 2, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the catastrophe has already happened. The main leaders of the GOP are talk show hosts--Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. The GOP is reduced to rooting for cities other than Chicago to get the Olympics because they want President Obama to fail, even in what would be good for the nation.

The GOP is negative in everything they do. They have no room for moderates and minorities. In fact, they run them out.

Polls show the GOP has low approval ratings (pollester.com).

Palin was a part of that, but she didn't cause it. In part, eight years of Bush and the GOP which made the rich corporations and their CEOs richer while ordinary people lost millions of jobs along with health insurance, retirement income and homes. It will take a long time to re-establish the middle class the GOP destroyed if we ever can.

People may not be much enamored of the Democrats, but I think many still remember what the Republicans did to them.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | October 2, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

The republican party itself is a catastrophy. I don't think Sara Palin can do anything to harm their reputation. If she can flush the current crop of useless republicans down the toilet, more power to her.

Posted by: paulp1 | October 2, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Steve Schmidt is spot on. I am an Alaskan - what people don't realize is that the majority of Alaskan's are embarassed by Sarah Palin and know her true intent - to become famous and rich at all costs. She quit. She snookered the rest of the lower 49 states and people are finally getting to know the real Sarah Palin. She has now made her millions on a book people aren't interested in reading - she is smart about one thing though, her retirement is set.

Posted by: bdayrock | October 2, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

The editor of this article don't know what he is talking about!@!! First of all,Palin didn't pick a fight with the rauchy pervert David Letterman, He made very rude comments about her family. Second, what dem has 1 ml books being printed & has already sold out??? How can anyone still support that scummy Spector, first he was a rep then he figured he wouldn't win so he went dem??? speaking of brain dead, what about that great man Biden?? You guys really know how to pick em!!! How is that hope & change working for you. OOPs I forgot, no one is working??? Maybe we would of gotten the olympics if Oslama didn't go over there with the organic grower & tell them all about their poor poor lives as an american, Or maybe if they just didn't go>> Go Oslama,,,,, only a few more million jobs to go & we can all be standing in the welfare line waiting for our rationed health care & food!!!! Go Plain.!!! Come on 2012

Posted by: releggneh1 | October 2, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I started to make a correction in "preview" mode by backspacing over a repeated word & my comment went away. So, either it disappeared, or it went to the W Post w/errors.

Posted by: lisjardine | October 2, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Mike. More failure to exhibit a sense of humor from the right. Though I'm the first to call out my hippie friends when they all too often do the same. The diviseness in the US comes just from that - taking oneself and one's views and values way too seriously. And I'm a card carrying (non-cafeteria) Catholic - talk about a crowd with no sense of humor!

Posted by: dhsavidge | October 2, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Steve Schmidt is one of the reasons Relpublicans no longer have faith in their party.
Sarah Palin shows more political smarts and savvy than John McCain every dreamed of, thanks to advisors like Steve Schmidt.
All these criticizers are scared to death of Sarah Palin, not because of her faults, but because she IS so good.
Steve, take your envy and resentment somewhere else.

Posted by: larryallen506 | October 2, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

What's amusing is that Palin and Bush -- both with typical Republican IQs of around 70 -- are the best that's left in the ever-increasingly theofascist GOP.

That's it, folks. Traitors hijacked the GOP right around 1988 and turned it in to the theofascist terrorist regime that it is today.

My opinions only, of course, and only my opinions.

Posted by: DamOTclese | October 2, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: asoders22
Palin followers don't have the education even understand the meaning of being hostile to the very idea of ideas.
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Sure, Palin followers don't have the education to know anything. Keep that elitist attitude going until 2012 and you and the 20% liberal part of the population will be the only ones voting for Obama. What exactly is YOUR education to allow you to be so "enlightened"?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, who supports the likes of the preposterous Sarah Palin as someone who would be good for this wonderful country cannot possibly have the national security of the USA as a high priority. She, along with her supporters are intellectual Neanderthals. How shallow can you get?

The difference between a soccer mom and a pit bull is not lipstick but that a pit bull does not quit."

That may be true, but isn't that being a little harsh? After all, a Neanderthal would have more sense than to vote for Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Darkrider9 | October 2, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Given the direction this country has been going in thanks to the Pelosi/Reid congress/circus, Obama and his unvetted, radical "czars", even Howdy Doody would win an election against Obama in 2012.

Posted by: resumeman | October 2, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

DamO

You know what they say about opinions

Posted by: larryallen506 | October 2, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bdayrock
Steve Schmidt is spot on. I am an Alaskan - what people don't realize is that the majority of Alaskan's are embarassed by Sarah Palin
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I guess this is why she was elected Governor and had high approval rating.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Palin and Huckabee in the White House. Revival tents on the front White House lawn. She and the First Dude can park their "snow machines" under it and gut out any game they may have shot from Marine 1.

Better than Marjaorie Main and Percy Kilbride in a "Ma and Pa Kettle" movie. Beverly Hillybillies to you youngin's.

Posted by: patrick10 | October 2, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I am totally not scratching my head since i fully understand her appeal having had cordial but often heated conversations with those who support her. And, yes, her support does come from the fringe of the Republican Party represented by "birthers" , those who think Obama is a closet Muslim and those who actually feel that what is happening in the country today comes even close to Marxism. They have no problem with a President of dubious qualifications because they quite honestly dont want her to do much of anything. An activist President better be highly qualified. A limited government President, not so much.

A find her to be passably charming and fairly endearing but she has turned into something that has nothing to do with who or what she is. She has turned into nothing more than a contrarian symbol to the right..."we love her becasue we know it drives you lefty intellectuals MAD".

Sure, i partly supported Obama because I totally jonesed for the terrified look on the faces of the "he's a muslim" crowd BUT ONLY because he packs the intellectual gear. The Right should be tired of well meaning dopes. if not...see you in 2016.

Posted by: absk | October 2, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

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MikeJ9116 - wow, are you in love with palin?
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I really dislike communist liberals.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

People still like Sarah Palin after she quit the only job that she ever held that would have gave her any experience as a leader?

People are stupid.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 2, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

MarkM2 -

While we have differing political views, I appreciate your thoughtful and eloquent response to the OP.

It is unfortunate that politics today have devolved into hyperbole and slander rather than open minded, intelligent discussion.

This all being said, as a conservative democrat I had hopes for McCain but his choice of Palin seemed impulsive, which scared me. Had he chosen someone with a bit more experience and middle of the road it would have been a much harder decision for me last November.

Posted by: dpdjb | October 2, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MikeJ9116 "I guess this is why she was elected Governor and had high approval rating."

Right and then wrong. She was at the right place at the right time. Our government was corrupted and ANYONE who ran agains the established government was going to win because Alaskan's voted for ANYONE BUT who was governor at that time. TRUTH. We live it every day.

Posted by: bdayrock | October 2, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Some of these comments are scary. Carrie Praejean as Vice President? Of what? Macy's Modeling? Certainly not the United States of America. Comments like this further exemplifies why the Founding Fathers saw forth to design and put into place the Electoral College. Let Palin run if she wants and has the backing. I have faith that our electoral process will protect us from her. She's not presidential material. She could and should have a fine career on television somewhere. And that's not bad.

Posted by: neversaylie | October 2, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

If you are part of that 20% of America that likes the GOP and thinks that liberals hate America:

Where a "Vote for Sarah Palin" pin!

That way the 80% of the country that thinks you are retarded can see that you are coming and cross sidewalks so that they don't have to deal with you.

Shame on you for being so stupid. Go get yourself an education. This is the 21rst century, if you don't like "science" and "facts" then you shouldn't have a say in how our government is run.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 2, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

One would think after 8 years of that idiot George Bush, people would realize that stupidity isn't an admirable trait for a President. Two wars, the near collapse of our banking system, massive job loss and 46 million people with no health insurance are his legacy.

With Palin you would get a person who quit her job as Governor in the middle of her term. Her enlightened approach to sex education resulted in her teenage daughter getting pregnant (how's that wedding planning going). She can't speak in a coherent sentence. But much of America perceives her to be just like them. Unfortunately, they are right. She is just like millions of idiots out there that disdain education and prefer Fox fiction over fact. I'm sure they will read her book which I have been able to get a preview of.

"See Sarah run. See Sarah buy a new wardrobe. See Sarah quit. See Sarah cash in on the stupidity of millions."

Posted by: timbo628 | October 2, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a joke and an insult to all thinking women. She will NEVER get any women to vote for her in any significant numbers.

Posted by: karenjw0 | October 2, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I voted the Palin-McCain ticket, and proud of it.
I am fed up with the both parties, fielding candidates that are so incompetent in their own personal affairs; they qualify for the highest office in the land?
Palin is held up by both sides for so called gaffs, well let’s look at the victor; completely inept without a teleprompter!
The Dem’s hate her because she has a simple platform of reform and traditional values. You have to remember that these are the nice, vice minded people, who voted for a guy that turned the oval office into a bordello 2 terms in a row. The GOP hates her because their candidate shows up and he gets 300 people, Sarah shows up and there are 7,000, and the handlers have no way of controlling her.
I stand behind Mrs. Palin and her record. Hopefully She and Bobby Jindal can get a ticket together. I don’t care who runs for what; Palin & Jindal… Jindal & Palin for President… Let’s see some REAL change,get some work done, stop wasting money and time.

Posted by: ronmcc | October 2, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

As a liberal lefty myself I reject much of reality as it does not go along with my ideas of how life should be. Life is not like it should be because most people are stupid unlike me. I know I am not stupid because I have ideals that are really cool and inclusive. Now if only we could get rid of all the realists we would have a more humane world.

What does this have to do with Sarah Palin? She is a realist and not a lefty so naturally I don't want her in government or even on TV for that matter.

Posted by: napacab | October 2, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: michael5
18% of the american public believes the sun revoles around the earth. what else do those 18% believe?
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They believe socialism/Marxism/fascism is good for the USA.

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What a wonderful demonstration of the ignorance of the right and Palin supporters. Only Palinites could lump socialism and fascism together.

Posted by: luridone | October 2, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm a consrvative Republican and can't understand why ANYONE would think Sarah Palin has the intellectual capacity to to be President of the United States. The world is a complex place and we need a President who can at least "fathom" the issues confronting us. I'm not an Obama fan, but he undeniably has the IQ to at least be qulified to run for the presidency. If Palin could wint the votes of 20% of the electorate I'd be shocked. Until we take our party back from the rightwing fringe and once again become the pary of ideas (and not just the pary of no), Republican we will be relegated to the political backwater.

Posted by: hhintontroongolfcom | October 2, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"She picked a fight with David Letterman, of all people." Well, need go no farther. The idiot mocked her underage daughter -- and, hey, just today we find out he was screwing subordinates, and no sexual relationship with a subordinate is ever equal. Plus, tell me why anyone in the Republican Party would listen to a LOSER who ran a campaign that LOST huge?

Palin drew McCain even with Obama after his huge speech, if you recall -- and that wasn't Schmidt's idea. I dunno. Seems to me Palin was right about Letterman (pervert) and that she destroyed Obamacare with a single phrase: "Death Panels."

But all Republicans are dumb, right? Yet ask someone to name a single dumb Democrat. They can't do it. Please. Save your tiresome BS.

Posted by: chicoandtheman2001 | October 2, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Another example of her character is shown in how she quit on Alaska to go on a money making speaking tour. I hope the GOP nominate her, I really do!!!

Posted by: gatsu | October 2, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Palin was an offering to the bible belt base of the GOP. I always thought the Catholic church, despite its social justice orientation in some areas was way to conservative.

But its only in the last two years that I've come to understand the bible belt. The culture there is the culture of total control of the mind by ultra-conservative religion. Primarily the so. white Baptist church and their independent white church bretheran.

These are the people who ancestors created these churches to be the bulwark of slavery, and then created the KKK and segregation. And their worst nightmare has come true - the election of a Black President.

Palin, though prob not a racist, is cut out of the same cloth religiously. These people would turn America into a Christian theocracy, while working hand in hand with the people who export good jobs to china, and steal trillions on wall street.

And then there is the question - which Christian sect will rule? Which christian sect will attempt to make our schools brainwashers of our children, even if we do not believe what they believe. And these people are also tied in with the Bush gang, who gave us Iraq, and let Bin Laden escape because of his Iraq war - which as his father George H W Bush said when asked why we didn't go to Baghdad in gulf war 1 said "it would be a disaster."

I'm a good christian but not the kind of Christian these people are, whose underlying motives are greed for money and greed for religious control over all.

And if you want a comparison of where they would take America, go look at Iran, and Saudi Arabia. The picture is not pretty.

And they would functionally violate the constitution, by setting up a state relgion, and packing the supreme court with yes men. Like Huckabee and his type.

I waas a republican all my life until I understood George W. Never again.

And if you value your religion, and what Jesus life stood for as a message of God's love for all his creation, you won't be a republican until the party cleans house, which will prob take decades.

Posted by: SJames6621 | October 2, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Nobody ever lost a penny underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

Palin is the know-nothing candidate, the type who wears her willful stupidity, ignorance and incuriosity as a badge of honor. It's a lead-cinch guarantee that she will be the Rethuglican candidate in '12. The only question is whether her running mate will be Joe the Plumber or Orly Taitz.

Posted by: cthulhu1 | October 2, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I see the Wapo Obozzo news outlet is gearing up to smear her as her book is due out.

Posted by: Bcamp55 | October 2, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I read the basic GOP lines and have to laugh at your misguided efforts.

How do you propose winning ANYTHING with a Sarah Palin ?

The idea that you can't accept our current president is understandable, as you are incapable of losing gracefully, despite evidence that the GOP was in self-destruct mode.

I see only laughable human nature posted by the GOP ilk on this board, and unfortunately it's the uglier side of human nature.

S. Palin seems to bring that out in everyone, doesn't she?

By the way, if you think he's the Messiah, well I'm sure Mister Obama's flattered at your generosity, however, he's not.

He (Obama) never claimed to be the Messiah. Messiahs tend to have little angels of the lord hanging around, in the context of Christian beliefs.

There are none of the angels in his entourage, so I can pretty well submit that YOU'RE DELUSIONAL, and are using religion as a coercive device, such as characterizing him as a false prophet. Again - not prophet material.
Presidential, yup. There he is, just angering you so-called-humble people of the GOP.

President. Nothing more. And your party lost - accept the change of leadership. He's no-one's Spritiual guide or Guru, or God.

President. That's all.

But he's not going to be a sucker for your twisted (bible-based) logic, Christian Extremists.

And I'm pretty sure Jesus wouldn't do what you're doing, either.

Posted by: pgibson1 | October 2, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm a fair minded thinker and my take on Sarah Palin is that she is the new Howard Dean. She needs to remove herself from the stage because despite her unusual popularity (like Dean) she's not presidential, and she makes Republicans and hence the GOP look stupid. Conservatives aren't all about having morals because God tells them so, a worthy conservative can explain the logic behind their values and processes persuading to people to move to the right rather than just appealing to people who are followers for emotional reasons. Following people for emotional reasons is how we got our empty suit Obama.

Posted by: JakeLockley | October 2, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: asoders22
Palin followers don't have the education even understand the meaning of being hostile to the very idea of ideas.
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Sure, Palin followers don't have the education to know anything. Keep that elitist attitude going until 2012 and you and the 20% liberal part of the population will be the only ones voting for Obama. What exactly is YOUR education to allow you to be so "enlightened"?

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I note that you don't deny that Palin followers don't understand the meaning of being hostile to the idea of ideas. And you show it by having nothing to bring but slurs and statistics. You won't reason, you won't discuss the matters at hand.

There is a difference between elite and elitist. Elite means you are very good at what you do in your field, that you are willing to learn and develop, take in knowledge from where it might be - sometimes even with someone coming from another place. This is not Sarah Palin - or W. But a leader needs to be an elite person, he/she needs an education and a good brain and willingness to try ideas and grow.

Elitist is something else, that concept implies contempt for people from other walks of life. You often find those people in big corporations, where they feel contempt for the suckers who willingly give up their money to them because they don't want "big government".

Since you ask - I'm an intellectual who can recognize elite in other fields - skillful people who know what they are doing - be it teaching, farming, cleaning, cooking, building, researching, creating art. I admire good people.

Posted by: asoders22 | October 2, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Rasmussen, July 20, 2009 -- and he's lost a TON of popularity since then -- Obama 48% to 42% over Palin, a mere six-point lead. I don't see how 42% makes her "divisive." But you don't mean the country when you use that term (again, only for conservatives). You just mean your elitist pals in the Beltway.

Posted by: chicoandtheman2001 | October 2, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I can just see the Palin presidential campaign now. Accusing her opponent of treason and heresy while at the same time cheerleading some periodic "Kill him!" cheers.

Posted by: linguine33 | October 2, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Laughing at @MikeJ9116 and the rest of the hoodwinked neocons that believe every idiotic scandal the GOP invents. I never thought I was much of a liberal until the modern day GOP started running off the rails with nutjobs. Birthers and death panels weren't quite nutty enough so the new attack line is on the czars as if Obama was the first to appoint one.

Democrats may not be worth a damn, but they're a far sight better than the GOP pigs wallowing in their own filth. Good thing polls are showing that the public has noticed the same thing. By all means please run Palin in 2012 so I can vote for a third party and not accidentally help the GOP lunatics regain power.

Posted by: BigTunaTim | October 2, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Palin isn't even running for office right now. Barack Obama is in the White House and his policies are trashing the U.S. economy. Seems like the 9.8% unemployment rate with the 17% real unemployment is a catastrophe. Hurricane Obama is a disaster. And it's happening now. Where's your report on that?

Posted by: sidconnor | October 2, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Sidconnor: Obama inherited the financial crisis, he didn't invent it. It's nice to see you expected him to be Superman and fix everything in a year, but come on. He is good, but he is human.

Posted by: asoders22 | October 2, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE, PLEASE! I am begging now, stopped pretending that Plain ia newsworthy - her 15 minutes of fame and stupidity were up SOOO long ago. Let he make her millions off the uneducated masses who will buy her book and get someone to read it to them. And I REALLY hop she is the 1012 GOP candidate sicen it will guarantee GOP failure.

Posted by: sux123 | October 2, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

@sidconnor with Republican historical revisionism to the rescue!

("but FOX told me it's due to Obama's policies, and they told me the recession didn't start until January 22, 2009...")

Posted by: BigTunaTim | October 2, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

The Right says that the Left cannot understand their anger. The Right has forgotten that for the last eight years, our nation has been lead by an extremely far-right administration. One that lead us to needless war and destroyed our economy, all the while promising that everything would be OK because God told him so.

It has been less than a year, yet the Right tells us we cannot comprehend their disappointment at a super-liberal socialist. One who has abandoned many of his own causes. One who has supported some of the most outrageous policies of the previous administration. One who has, and continues to support and push through decisions that conservatives have created and championed. I so often hear that Obama is the "most liberal president ever," yet I have not heard why.

So please, Right. Wait a few years before you play the victim. The Left knows what it's like. Even though our politicians did not DEMAND we be furious with our democratically elected president. We still know.

Posted by: LobsterMobster | October 2, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

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("but FOX told me it's due to Obama's policies, and they told me the recession didn't start until January 22, 2009...")
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You are wrong. The HOPE for a recovery ended on 1-22-2009.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired of all factions in this pseudo-political debate demonizing those they oppose, since it's far easier to hate a label than an actual 3-dimensional person. Republicans are not all vacuous dimbulbs, and Democrats are not all sanctimonious plutocrats. We need to get past this nonsense. The rest of the world would be laughing at us, if they weren't so scared that the most powerful nation on the planet is so fractured by discord.
Ms. Palin is not an airhead or an idiot, or she would not have been able to attain the lofty post of governor. However, her ability to win that election does not automatically qualify her for higher office, or make her someone other women, or people generally, should want to emulate. (By the way, SavedGirl, it's "Role Model," not "Roll Model.")
Let's stick to the facts from here on in, and leave the pejoratives out of our national debate. In the current context, look at Ms. Palin's record, and judge for yourself if what she's said and done (including her educational attainments, what she's accomplished in public office, and her public statements) qualify her more for the White House any more than YOU yourself are qualified to be president; then think if you feel qualified to run the greatest nation on Earth.

Posted by: Miles55a | October 2, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Palin-5 Colleges in 6 Years. Broadcasting Degree. Not much other educational attainment. Can't explain to Katie Couric what she reads every day.

Palin-Involved with the secessionist treasonist Alaskan Independence Party
Pals around with a terrorist who was murdered in 1993 during “a plastic explosives sale gone bad.” Todd Palin joined the party two years later. Neither Sarah nor Todd were 9 years old at the time.

Palin-Never had passport or traveled outside U.S unless you count a trade mission. Apparently can see Russia from outside window.

Palin-Daughter gets knocked up and supports ineffective abstinence education programs.

Palin-Decries "Socialism" while supports Alaska National Fund payouts of roughly $1000 per year while in 2008 adding $1200 energy rebate.

Posted by: MerrillFrank | October 2, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116 wrote:
"This idiot writing the article doesn't have a clue about what is going on in mainstreet America."

And what does Mrs. Palin know about what's going on in mainstreet America? I mean, she's unemployed, so she has *that* in common I guess.

Posted by: presto668 | October 2, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Please nominate SP to be the GOP candidate in 2012. Let's see, once and for all, if America has truly descended to the lowest common denominator. I wouldn't read 4 words of what she wrote (actually, had ghostwritten for her), let alone 400 pages. I rarely agree with Gerson, but she does epitomize the idea of being afraid of ideas.

Posted by: Thad2 | October 2, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Let me put it this way: if she is nominated, she will split the Republican party into two parts intelligent/educated elite, and the "main street" Sarah Palin types. If the main-street yokels carry the day and elect her, the Republican party is saved. But it would show that America is already on its way out. After that, either America keeps its global might and influence by using its vast military superiority in Hitlerian fashion, or just spiral down and out as the rest of the world continues into the 21st century ignoring us.

Posted by: johnnormansp | October 2, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a joke. There are conservative with real ideas but she is not one of them. I would say that she hasn't a prayer of a chance but 9 years ago I would have said the same things about George W, and we elected that fool TWICE.

I can accept political ideas that are different from mine, but she appeals only to idiots and cynics on the right. If you seriously think Sarah Palin is a political heavyweight, you are a lightweight (and I'm being charitable).

Posted by: PrinceBuster21 | October 2, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: LobsterMobster
The Right says that the Left cannot understand their anger.
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Had you attended a Tea Party you would know the discontent has nothing to do with right verses left. It is about Constitutional matters and the erosion of the freedoms it affords us. The Liberals have no use for the Constitution or the Rule of Law and this is what has awakened the anger of Republicans, Democrats and Independents alike. Palin gets this and it is why her popularity will continue to grow while Obama, Reid and Pelosi continue to force their socialist/communist/fascist agenda on the country. Soon they will know where the real power comes from in this country. It is from the ballot box and not the ones stuffed by ACORN and the other corrupt liberal groups Obama relied on to get elected.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I really dislike communist liberals.

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Mike - there is no such thing as a communist liberal. Unless you are joking with us - go to Wikipedia or some other source and find out what communism, marxism, socialism, liberalism and social democrats are. They are not one and the same - in fact, they have mostly been fighting each other.

Posted by: asoders22 | October 2, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Interesting how Palin supporters equate the practice of Christian values (such as extending health care to the uninsured) with Marxism. Such hypocrisy.

Posted by: r3pe | October 2, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

America is basically High School grown up, and the battle between the political parties is essentially the battle between the football players and the chess club. One side is bigger, dumber, meaner, likes to fight, is happy with a C-average, and gets first dibs on the budget when it needs new uniforms. The other side is thinner, smaller, smarter, nicer, stays away from fights, holds a 4.0 GPA, and no matter how good its plans are, it still has to beg and hold bake sales. Problem is, there are a lot more football fans than chess fans. Which explains why Bush got elected. As for Sarah, she's a cute little cheerleader. We'll see if she can shake her moneymakers enough to get a majority. 2-4-6-8 Who Do We Appreciate?

Posted by: plefevre | October 2, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: sux123
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She is newsworthy because she scares the heck out of the established wings of the left AND the right. She is everything they pretend to be. That is a person that is real and hasn't be bought and paid for by hundreds of lobbyists, corporations etc. She hasn't been tainted by corruption from living in the Washington, DC and Chicago cesspool of politics. This is why she is so popular and will continue to gain popularity as each day passes.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin has hands-on experience on how to govern , she is the most charismatic woman politician I've ever seen , and she talks a lot of sense

You liberals only have words to counter her , in your liberal prejudiced media , happily in 2012 , you won't be able use the race card to exploit guilt feelings among people

your first black president would be leaving office after a complete fiasco , and Mrs Palin will be around to fix up the mess you always leave after you

remember ? Carter and Clinton left us weaker than ever , Obama will do the same , I pray to God he does something to kick Obama out of office before his term

Posted by: michel1835 | October 2, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: asoders2
Mike - there is no such thing as a communist liberal.
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Sure there are. We have one occupying the White House.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I love what is happening to the GOP. Let the world see them for all there ignorant glory with the likes of Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, and O'Rielly. I love that there is a dedicated conservative network, spewing it's lies. People will see right through them. They way things are going with there cynical, anti-democratic opposition to Health care reform, and penchant for perpetual war, I could see the GOP withering away to nothing. Then maybe a new party could emerge to the left of the Democrats representing a true opposition to corporate power.

Posted by: wspettus | October 2, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Interesting how Palin supporters equate the practice of Christian values (such as extending health care to the uninsured) with Marxism. Such hypocrisy.

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That is because they don't know what Marxism is and they don't think that what Jesus says actually applies to the world today - that is, they don't know what Christianity is either.

Posted by: asoders22 | October 2, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"Palin will have outsmarted him and all his liberal cohorts"

That is absolutely the funniest thing I have ever heard.... EVER.

Posted by: pmc123 | October 2, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm also tired of people accusing the current administration, and liberals in general, of being against the Constitution and the liberties it provides us.
Where were these folks when the Bush administation was performing torture, warrantless wiretaps, examining people's library records?
I hate to generalize, but it appears most folks espousing this view are simply parroting what they've heard from some media persons whose jobs it is to stir some excitement into matters, to shout unfounded accusations and encourage uncivil discourse. Anyone come to mind?

Posted by: Miles55a | October 2, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Independent4tw
People still like Sarah Palin after she quit the only job that she ever held that would have gave her any experience as a leader?

People are stupid.
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The only stupid people are the ones that dismiss Palin as being stupid. So far she has run circles are the liberals in the White House and Congress and has done it from a Twitter account and Facebook page!

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: asoders2
Mike - there is no such thing as a communist liberal.
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Sure there are. We have one occupying the White House.

Posted by: MikeJ911

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Typical answer that is no answer, just complete nonsense. Go educate yourself.

Posted by: asoders22 | October 2, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse


The GOP picks these kinds of idiots and wonder why unemployment is nearly 10%.

Are there any educated among the GOP who might actually be "qualified"?

Please, we've endured 8 years of stupidity that nearly tore this country a part.

Let's just stop allowing psychos to vote.


Posted by: lindalovejones | October 2, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Palin=w bush
G(reedy)op tries to rewrite history, and perhaps are doomed to repeat it.
bush/cheney worst administration in US history, voters for bush/cheney unwilling to admit mistake, just like them.

President Obama cannot undo 8 years in 8 months.

Posted by: jama452 | October 2, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a liberals dream. She is stupider than Bush, tough act to follow. A poor conversationlist, much like Bush. And popular with bubbas, much like Bush. The problem is that the party heads know what a dim bulb she is, and the more she opens her mouth the more the rest of the country cringes at the thought of her sitting in the White House.
Please, run in 2012. And 2016. And 2020. By then she should have run enough to see Russia.

Posted by: COLEBRACKETT | October 2, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gatsu
Another example of her character is shown in how she quit on Alaska to go on a money making speaking tour. I hope the GOP nominate her, I really do!!!
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If she wins in 2012 you are going to look real stupid.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I happen to be a conservative, but think Palin would be a disaster for the GOP in 2012. Yes, she does have a loyal base, but it's only a percentage of the dwindling GOP base, as most mainstream Republicans don't want to consider her. While she may be very appealing to some, I haven't witnessed a single speech where she didn't ramble and wander and leave me baffled. She wasn't "blind-sided" in her interviews with Couric and Gibson...she was just flat out ill-prepared. How can you not know what magazines you read? It's also perfectly legitimate to ask why someone is qualified for a job...that's not a trick question. The fact that she tried to say she was blindsided is the actions of a diva. We're going to be in a real financial mess come 2012. More than ever, we're going to need a really intelligent fiscal conservative who has the nation's best interests at heart, not a self-absorbed diva who quits her governorship mid-term to write books and cash in on her popularity. What's wrong with this country is that people vote for candidates just because they like them, but don't question their qualifications. Look where that got us in 2008! I heard one lady say she voted for Palin because she was "one of us." I don't want "one of us" running the country, because we're not qualified. Let's put some real brains and skill back in the White House for a change, and quit voting with our emotions.

Posted by: SHeriger | October 2, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"It is about Constitutional matters and the erosion of the freedoms it affords us."

I remember the tea parties in the streets when PATRIOT and warrantless wiretapping were signed.

OH RIGHT, just as they accuse the left of doing, the right only cares about certain parts of the Constitution. What frightens me is that you actually believe the stuff you're typing. Otherwise you couldn't write something like "force their socialist/communist/fascist agenda on the country" without cracking up at the self-evident stupidity of such a statement.

Posted by: BigTunaTim | October 2, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Palin supporters are funny.

Posted by: McBain1 | October 2, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: presto668
And what does Mrs. Palin know about what's going on in mainstreet America? I mean, she's unemployed, so she has *that* in common I guess.
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Are you really this stupid? She is unemployed? She just raked in $7 million from writing a book! If that is you definition of "unemployed" then I'll take some of that myself! LOL!!!

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse


TO: MikeJ9116 who wrote:
“…So far she has run circles are the liberals in the White House and Congress and has done it from a Twitter account and Facebook page!...”
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So these are your qualifications for President of the United States, how well she can Twitter.

She’s a Bimbo Mike, plain and simple. You’d pick a Bimbo instead of a Harvard Constitutional Law Professor based on you thinking that she has the better insults or “gotcha” moments.

God save us.

Posted by: lindalovejones | October 2, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: plefevre
America is basically High School grown up
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Spoken like a snobbish, elitist, out of touch liberal. Keep this up and it will spell your doom in 2010 and 2012.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pmc123
That is absolutely the funniest thing I have ever heard.... EVER.
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It might strike you as funny but it is still true.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: asoders22
Typical answer that is no answer, just complete nonsense. Go educate yourself.
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I have and it is why I speak the true.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Lets see.. by 2012 her other
underage unmarried daughter
will have a baby... Sarah
will have another (and no
amniocentesis of course)..
the US will be bankrupt,
and wondering where to
invade next.. good fun

Posted by: Major_Variola_ret | October 2, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Candidate Palin will be the best thing to happen to the Democrats in 2012. The Democrats have a knack for self-destruction. But Palin is such a divisive character that her candidacy would ensure Obama's reelection. She is extremely nasty, not very bright, clearly had no interest in the people of Alaska (as evidenced by her moronic decision to QUIT during her first term) and caters to the lowest of instincts. The people who idolize her are ignorant of how a country should behave. The party that accepts her is just plain cynical -- and it will backfire.

Posted by: alamo2 | October 2, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Be careful what you wish for, if you (as a liberal) want Palin to run because she is so dumb she'll help her opponent. Intelligent Germans in the 1930's thought Hitler was an eccentric, useful idiot, easy to lead.

Posted by: asoders22 | October 2, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BigTunaTim
I remember the tea parties in the streets when PATRIOT and warrantless wiretapping were signed.
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It is because it take a lot to get people marching in the streets of Washington, DC by the hundreds of thousands and in the millions nationwide. The socialist liberals in the White House and running Congress have caused critical mass to be achieved by the electorate.

Warrant less wiretapping is minor compared to forced socialized healthcare, massive tax increases through Cap & Tax, trashing America abroad, doing nothing to lower a 10% unemployment rate, etc.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: McBain1
Palin supporters are funny.
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Then you should find a Palin presidency hysterical.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: lindalovejones
So these are your qualifications for President of the United States, how well she can Twitter.
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It shows the ineptitude of the liberals in the White House and Congress.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Carter and Clinton did NOT leave us weaker than ever. Clinton, for example, left office with a SURPLUS in the economy. Remember the surplus? Remember how quickly Bush tore through it?
Remember how long the Republicans have been pushing deregulation through, so their banking and Wall Street buddies could get rich? Now, they're rich, the economy's in ruins, and Obama's picking up the pieces. If you accuse Obama of doing all this to the economy, you have an extremely short memory. Remember last October, when McCain felt he had to take a break from campaigning to help craft a bailout bill? Let's see, who was President while that was happening, while the economy was threatening to shatter and plunge us into a recession the likes of which we've never seen before? On whose watch was that happening? Any hands? Bueller?
Accusing Obama of ruining the economy is like accusing the fireman of setting the fire.
Back to Palin: her charisma is undeniable, and the presidency often is reduced to a popularity test, so she has a shot. She now has two years to prepare for a campaign, if that's the way she's going (but it seems, from what's been published so far, that earnings are more her priority than leading).

Posted by: Miles55a | October 2, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Major_Variola_ret
Lets see.. by 2012 her other underage unmarried daughter will have a baby... Sarah
will have another (and no amniocentesis of course).. the US will be bankrupt, and wondering where to invade next.. good fun
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This must really be David Letterman posting.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse


TO: MikeJ9116 who wrote:

“…So far she has run circles are the liberals in the White House and Congress and has done it from a Twitter account and Facebook page!...It shows the ineptitude of the liberals in the White House and Congress…”
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This is what you call being so stupid that you don’t even know you’re stupid.

Posted by: lindalovejones | October 2, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeLockley
I'm a fair minded thinker and my take on Sarah Palin is that she is the new Howard Dean.
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Actually, she might be the new Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Hello? Moderate pro-illegal alien McCain was catastrophic for the Republican party in 2008.

Posted by: techsavvy777 | October 2, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

The last days of empire when we revel in the moronic, the disgraceful, the absurd. I think the Right is slipping into nihilism

Posted by: autboy | October 2, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Oh yes, please, please, please, Republicans, DO nominate Sarah Palin for president. She is by far the most eloquent Republican, the smartest, the most politically savvy, the best on foreign policy and domestic policy, taxes, in short, she's by far the best candidate you could ever have. Please nominate her. You're absolutely right: that commie Obama wouldn't stand a chance against her. It would be a landslide, you betcha!

Posted by: bushisgone | October 2, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I am a Republican. Anyone who would vote for that babbling idiot for any office above Dog Catcher should have his/her right to vote permanently revoked.

Posted by: rickincincy | October 2, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Miles55a
Back to Palin: her charisma is undeniable, and the presidency often is reduced to a popularity test, so she has a shot. She now has two years to prepare for a campaign, if that's the way she's going (but it seems, from what's been published so far, that earnings are more her priority than leading).
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Agreed. Palin will still have to earn the nomination and it will take some work on her part. IMO, she has as good a chance as any other Republican and just as good a chance to beat Obama in 2012.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

TO: MikeJ9116 who wrote:
“Actually, she might be the new Ronald Reagan.”
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Reagan had Alzhiemers. He didn’t know the difference between his aszz and Peanut Butter.

Posted by: lindalovejones | October 2, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: asoders22
Be careful what you wish for, if you (as a liberal) want Palin to run because she is so dumb she'll help her opponent. Intelligent Germans in the 1930's thought Hitler was an eccentric, useful idiot, easy to lead.
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Absolutely. How do you think Obama got elected.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: lindalovejones
This is what you call being so stupid that you don’t even know you’re stupid.
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Are you talking about yourself?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: techsavvy777
Hello? Moderate pro-illegal alien McCain was catastrophic for the Republican party in 2008.
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His "suspend the campaign" stunt is what lost him the election.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickincincy
I am a Republican. Anyone who would vote for that babbling idiot for any office above Dog Catcher should have his/her right to vote permanently revoked.
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Sure, you are a Republican.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Steve Schmidt's Ideas Would Be Catastrophic For GOPers in 2012

http://reagantman.blogtownhall.com/2009/10/02/steve_schmidts_ideas_would_be_catastrophic_for_gopers_in_2012.thtml

Posted by: ReaganTMan1 | October 2, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

To her fans: the only thing she has going for herself is being gosh darn cute and reading from a prepared text with absolutely no knowledge of economics and finance- and blaming others for the financial crisis without any empirical evidence.

Posted by: beeker25 | October 2, 2009 2:46 PM
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You're talking about the current imposter in chief. Correct?

Posted by: AkCoyote | October 2, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter how angry you right wingers are. You are a minority, and mostly comprised of shrinking demographic groups at that. In 2012 there will be less of you than 2008.

Posted by: wideblacksky | October 2, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I would love, love, LOVE to have Sarah Palin as the Republican presidential nominee in 2010. It's my dream, my goal. I'll pay money to see it happen.

Do you know why? It's not because I like her; I can't stand her.

It's because we'd finally have a chance to really truly demonstrate just how few people stand for what she represents. And when she lost that election by more than twenty percentage points, when she brought down the entire Republican "conservative" movement in flames, then we could step back and see the sham for what it's been.

Posted by: jamessamans | October 2, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

What is even more of a mystery, is the continuing level of comments by a national media against a former candidate for vice-president, long after the elections are over. I don't think in my memory [I am 71] I recall a time when a former candidate has been so vilified by the media, when he/she is no longer involved in an active election.

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Mystery???? whats the mystery - she is an idiot

Posted by: scon101 | October 2, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

There are always some who just don't care what's right or wrong as long as they win at any cost.

Posted by: anOPINIONATEDsob | October 2, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse
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Democrat motto:
Vote EARLY! Vote OFTEN!

Palin / Bachmann 2012

Posted by: AkCoyote | October 2, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

IMO, she has as good a chance as any other Republican and just as good a chance to beat Obama in 2012.

Posted by: MikeJ9116
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If your opinion is correct, then the American electorate should be ashamed. Imagine, a quitter, who gave an asinine reason for resigning as governor, being elected. That would only happen if Limbaugh repubs are more in number than I think they are. I would give Obama a landslide victory.

Posted by: alamo2 | October 2, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

18% of the american public believes the sun revoles around the earth. what else do those 18% believe?

Posted by: michael5 | October 2, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse
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That the anointed one is the 2nd coming.

Posted by: AkCoyote | October 2, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

There's a movie coming out next month about the consequences of electing Palin for President. It's called 2012.

Posted by: hamishdad | October 2, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is going around ..prancing just like Olliver North...

WHO during campaign season was stumping for Bush was hitting RIGHT WING Evangelical Churches ...

They werw all in awe of him..

It was pathetic but it maintained the RIGHT WINGS Mindless Group.

Sarah Palin is the new Oliver North matintainng their flock with another celebrity is fawning over them.

AND One that wrote a book...too..

I bet she has no clue what was written about her in her own book. NOT one one single page.

ISA


Posted by: Issa1 | October 2, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I love Sarah Palin, She is awesome. I believe she will win the ticket. I can't wait to vote for her. The so called " Journalist" that wrote this article needs to stop drinking the Obama Kool-Aid. This is why the washington Post is losing readers.

Posted by: RalphMiami | October 2, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Whitefield1:

The word is "kowtow." Your opinion is worth about as much as your intelligence.

Posted by: rjheitman | October 2, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Catastrophic ia much too mild of a word, it would actually set the GOP back at least 100 years. I voted Republican so many years and switched because of her.

Any ways, it is a free country so let her have a go at it if that is all the GOP can come up with. Besides the media and entertainment industry needs a punching bag every 4 years.

Posted by: sunliteco | October 2, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

When I saw savedgirl say Palin was a wonderful role model for young women, I am appalled. Hillary Clinton is a role model women can be proud of she never quits and never says die, with all the hoopla with Bill she still stuck by his side and rode it out. She did not quit!! Also releggne1 begged the question of what democrat has 1 million books already printed and sold out did he forget Bill Clinton when he wrote his memoirs???

I am for healthcare reform, by son lost his job when his wife was 38 weeks pregnant and could not afford the cobra insurance and was told by her OB that sorry I can't treat you anymore because you no longer have insurance, and when she tried to get insurance on her own of course her being pregnant was a "pre-existing condition" and they claimed it was also pre-existing for my son as he was an expectant father. Can you for the life of you believe a man can't get insurance because his wife is pregnant. Just how far will the insurance companies go to make a buck??? And you want Palin to govern this country we would become the laughingstock of the whole world!!!

Posted by: edyeg | October 2, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Joke writers beginning to pile up their inventory.

Folks, I can see the white House! I'm standing outside the gate with a telescope.

Posted by: sunliteco | October 2, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

after reading the negative comments about Palin im convinced that the facists and socialists who made these comments are scared to death of her being elected. All she would do is bring God and country together again,weed out the greedy poloticians,balance the budget,and give this country back its respectability. if u r not a christian u would not like her.

Posted by: curt05 | October 2, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

after reading the negative comments about Palin im convinced that the facists and socialists who made these comments are scared to death of her being elected. All she would do is bring God and country together again,weed out the greedy poloticians,balance the budget,and give this country back its respectability. if u r not a christian u would not like her.

Posted by: curt05
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Curt, thanks for the laugh! I always appreciate someone with a good sense of humor!

Posted by: alamo2 | October 2, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"She picked a fight with David Letterman, of all people"

Actually, Letterman picked the fight, but you are too much of a mindless partisan to understand that.

Posted by: bobmoses | October 2, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 80parone

"Is this third-rate person really the best and brightest that the GOP has to offer the country?"

Well, I know she is no John Edwards but....

Posted by: bobmoses | October 2, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: sunliteco

"Joke writers beginning to pile up their inventory."

Joking about what? The fact that she has a number one book?

"Folks, I can see the white House! I'm standing outside the gate with a telescope."

Apparently you are too ignorant to understand the difference between the things Palin said and the things Tina Fey said. How typical of an "intellectual" liberal.

Posted by: bobmoses | October 2, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: wideblacksky
It doesn't matter how angry you right wingers are. You are a minority, and mostly comprised of shrinking demographic groups at that. In 2012 there will be less of you than 2008.
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You need to visit the Gallup website to learn the truth.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jamessamans

"I would love, love, LOVE to have Sarah Palin as the Republican presidential nominee in 2010."

Another brilliant liberal telling us about the 2010 Presidential election.

Posted by: bobmoses | October 2, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scon101
Mystery???? whats the mystery - she is an idiot
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Obama looked pretty damn stupid today. Flying off the Copenhagen while the unemployment rate moves up to 9.8% and the economy in shambles. He did it to try and line his slimy Chicago buddies' pockets with Olympic cash. Obama is corrupt as the Chicago cesspool he crawled out of.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately for Libs - Obozzo has set the bar so long that my cat could get elected and he's even worse than HillBilly Clinton when is comes to his fixation with getting laid.

Speaking as his campaign manager "We promise, if elected, he would put in an Oval Office Carpet Czar top handle the "mess" and I'm not speaking about cat litter."

How's that for change?

Posted by: Bcamp55 | October 2, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MikeJ9116

"You need to visit the Gallup website to learn the truth."

Shhh. Don't tell them that Independents are moving towards Republicans is a big way. It will be much more fun to allow them to wallow in their ignorance and be stunned after the mid-term elections.

Posted by: bobmoses | October 2, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

The inept bimbo didn't have what it takes to succeed and walked off her job in a backwoods place like Alaska...where she could see Rusha from her house. Oh geeze.

Posted by: vintel7 | October 2, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse
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Idiot. That was a Tina Fey line on SNL.

Posted by: AkCoyote | October 2, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: hamishdad
There's a movie coming out next month about the consequences of electing Palin for President. It's called 2012.
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The movie playing now is about Obama, Reid and Pelosi. It is called "Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest".

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: vintel7

"The inept bimbo didn't have what it takes to succeed and walked off her job in a backwoods place like Alaska...where she could see Rusha from her house. Oh geeze."

The "inept bimbo" is a former Governor, VP candidate and now a best-selling author.

You are just a loser troll who does not know the difference between SNL and reality.

Posted by: bobmoses | October 2, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: sunliteco
Catastrophic ia much too mild of a word, it would actually set the GOP back at least 100 years. I voted Republican so many years and switched because of her.
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Sure you did.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

And you want Palin to govern this country we would become the laughingstock of the whole world!!!

Posted by: edyeg | October 2, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse
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Too late. We already are.

Posted by: AkCoyote | October 2, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bobmoses
Apparently you are too ignorant to understand the difference between the things Palin said and the things Tina Fey said. How typical of an "intellectual" liberal.
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What do you expect from people that get their news from the comedy channel?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I have read all of the posts so far, and I have tried to refrain for use of such pejorative language, but alas, I cannot refrain any longer.

I would like everyone reading this to go back and review the comments of MikeJ9116. He has to be the dumbest person on this forum. A more perfect example of why our government is dysfunctional cannot be imagined.

MikeJ9116: Your comments are spiteful, full of grammatical errors and misspellings, and wholly devoid of any content, argumentatively speaking or otherwise. Despite being told numerous times that Socialism and Fascism are largely opposing paradigms, and even being instructed on where you can educate yourself, you refuse to do so, spewing out your vapid ignorance with each new post.

My father told me something that I find highly applicable to many people in this forum, but most of all to you:

"It is better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

To All:
It is this blatant, prideful, divisive ignorance that erodes our democracy. It is this ridiculous garbage projected into the dialog that eclipses any real discussion on any matter. It is this blind reverberation of talking points and mischaracterizations handed down by Fox "Fair and Balanced" News and the like that cause people like Sarah "wink-and-nod" Palin to have be legitimized, and even adored.

I think it's great to have spirited discussion, but if you are going to counter someone, do it with facts and evidence. When you are out debated, admit your points. This is not about who wins. It's about bettering your own understanding. If you don't ever concede that you can improve your perspective, your are doomed to the level of understanding that you have so ignorantly latched on to. We all want to fix the problems with this nation, and yes, we may disagree on how to do it, but this adds NOTHING to the solution. On the contrary, it makes it worse. So please, I beg you, for the love of this nation, stop with the posts which lack any substance, and the baseless attacks. Make your argument with evidence and try to be open to the idea that your ideas could improve. To do otherwise, only undermines your argument, and our great nation.

Posted by: NewsMonkey99 | October 2, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Have you ever noticed how much she looks like Ann Coulter (only older and less butch)?

I think they're identical cousins with that same smug, contempt-for-men, self-righteous, middle age martyrdom look that reminds me of my ex-wife (may the Huckabee God of Moroni rest her in soul).

Posted by: coloradodog | October 2, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

the truly scary part is that even an idiot with plenty of time to memorize catch phrases can impress an equally idiotic group of people....i just hope it doesn't turn out to be the majority in the next election...if she does get it...take it from a good old atheist....it will be the best thing that ever happened...wars will start...bad decisions will be made...and someone like me will be happy that the earth will finally be populated by a creature more intelligent than man the idiot....Roaches

Posted by: kiler616 | October 2, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

didn't someone discover her close relative yesterday? She certainly would make a splash with the de-evolutionists.

Posted by: johng1 | October 2, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans on this board have nothing to say, only robot-like easy comebacks without substance. They don't know the mere basics of political terminology, they don't know the difference between ignorance and education, they are unable to debate the simplest thing. They are proud if they just sound witty, without really being witty.

Sarah Palin would set the whole country back 400 years, and she is so uninformed that she won't even notice smarter people than her will govern behind her back.

Fox channel and Palin will force stupidity on America and keep rightwingers angry, while big corporation captains will steer all your money into their own pockets. And the rest of the world with just keep shaking their heads in disbelief. The extreme right wing of America will pay for the rope that hangs them.

Posted by: asoders22 | October 2, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

"This idiot writing the article doesn't have a clue about what is going on in mainstreet America. He has no clue why Palin is so popular among a wide swath of people."
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Exactly. The Beltway is a very warped lens through which to view the rest of the nation. The last "divisive" GOP outsider written off this way was Ronald Reagan (I admit to making that mistake myself).

And c'mon-- listening to Steve Schmidt about how to win is like listening to someone who is obese telling you how to lose weight.

Posted by: bixdugan | October 2, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NewsMonkey99
I would like everyone reading this to go back and review the comments of MikeJ9116. He has to be the dumbest person on this forum. A more perfect example of why our government is dysfunctional cannot be imagined.
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I wear as a badge of honor the fact I have goaded an arrogant, self absorbed, economically illiterate, America hating liberal such as yourself into responding to my fine rhetoric. Go back to sipping your brandy, while wearing your ascot and reading the WaPo and NYT liberal rags.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Sure, you are a Republican.

Posted by: MikeJ9116

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I agree with you Mike... he's definitely not a Republican. True Republicans (like yourself), have no use for facts, reason or logic... everything is based purely on looks and emotion (THAT'S why Palin actually was able to get elected in Alaska).

The funny thing is that the person you're insulting most likely IS a moderate Republican, and it's extremists like you that are pushing them to either the Independent or Democratic Party.

So I give you a big 'high-five' and thank you for doing the job better than any centrist or leftist ever could.

Hilariously enough, people like yourself also made the same claims about the 2008 election... "Oh, you'll be sorry on election day when we win", "Don't get your hopes up", "Republicans will win in a landslide"... so exactly how did that turn out for you?

I'd present some facts now that would show you just how idiotic your claims are, but since I know it would just be met with more neocon, limbaugh-esque rhetoric, I'll save them for somebody that actually has the mental capacity to understand and debate them.

Toodles

Posted by: fido5150 | October 2, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: coloradodog
Have you ever noticed how much she looks like Ann Coulter (only older and less butch)?
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Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: fido5150
I agree with you Mike... he's definitely not a Republican. True Republicans (like yourself), have no use for facts, reason or logic... everything is based purely on looks and emotion (THAT'S why Palin actually was able to get elected in Alaska).
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Here's a newsflash for you.... I'm not a Republican either.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: fido5150
The funny thing is that the person you're insulting most likely IS a moderate Republican, and it's extremists like you that are pushing them to either the Independent or Democratic Party.
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Hey Einstein, the Republicans nominated the most liberal member of their party last year and what did it get them? NOTHING. Maybe if the nominate a true conservative a Republican might see the inside of the white house after 2012.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

here is something palin fans don't realize,since they get their news from someone who can see Russia from her backyard and therefore feels she knows Russia by osmosis.Their is a hair trigger on over 230 nukes of all shapes and sizes in the Middle East.Israel is the country with it's finger on the trigger.If proper negotiations do not difuse the situation or situations that will motivate an attack on Israel ,Israel as a last resort,will launch a great majority of it's nukes,do any of you remember MAD,same thing is at play here...Israel,by virtue of it's size will feel justified in launching all it's got since in case of an attack it will feel it's existence terminated....this attack will target all Middle East capitals...and probably some European targets just for kicks,throw in Russia and China and Turkey and Pakistan.Any nuclear or chemical attack on Israel thet it sees coming will have Israel launch this kind of counter attack.This scenario is all too possible,now to some of you Palin followers,you may think it's biblical,but it's not.No one will be "left behind"...we will all be RUPTURED,whether instantly or shortly thereafter by fallout.
Choose an idiot like a Palin and get ready for incompetent foreign policy,the type that will put this scenario in play.

Posted by: kiler616 | October 2, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Don't waste your breath on Mike, who is probably around 15 and only here for fun. Just remember, Mike - don't use the debate technique you have displayed here in school, because you won't get good grades.

And now I have to leave the board. It's night in my country.

Posted by: asoders22 | October 2, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Palin is attractive to the wing of the republican party that rejects pluralism.

It is the John-Bircher-Joe-McCarthy wing of the party that called President Eisenhower a communist and General George Marshall a traitor.

They have always been with us and will always be with us. But now they have a T.V. station.

Posted by: forrest3 | October 2, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: fido5150
Hilariously enough, people like yourself also made the same claims about the 2008 election... "Oh, you'll be sorry on election day when we win", "Don't get your hopes up", "Republicans will win in a landslide"... so exactly how did that turn out for you?
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You don't know what I said last year. McCain lost the election with his "suspend the campaign" stunt and voting for the TARP Bill. Look at the polls for him from that point on. For someone that thinks their are so smart, you certainly aren't.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Steve, you are obviously a left wing liberal freak.What is it about Sarah Palin that bothers you so much? Could it be that you are just a lowly newspaper reporter that has a miserable life and Sarah Palin is a star? That really pisses you off doesn't it! Your stupid article states - Sarah Palin picked a fight w/ David Letterman - Are you for real? Get your facts straight moron, he started w/ her!
David Letterman - he's another freak and you freaks stick together don't you?
Your article states - Sarah Palin would "go off the rails" w/out her prepared text. What about your boy Obama - he can't even say hello w/out a teleprompter in front of him but that's ok with you right? I'm glad Sarah Palin wrote a book and I will buy it too. She will make a lot of money... a lot more than you -are you jealous?
Now get back to your cubicle and write some more crap that no one cares about.

Posted by: tplandscaping | October 2, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: asoders22
Don't waste your breath on Mike, who is probably around 15 and only here for fun. Just remember, Mike - don't use the debate technique you have displayed here in school, because you won't get good grades.
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If I am 15 years old you and the other liberals sure got your clocks cleaned by a teenager. Just imagine how easy it will be to slay you when I am 16 years old.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Palin's treatment is pure sexism.

Amazing our facination with rejecting racism while wholeheartedly embracing sexism.

I was a Democrat and Wolfe Blitzer junkie - but now I deplore the Democrats as a whole and cannot stand CNN's smug sexism (particualrly Jack Cafferty and Campbell Brown).

Palin does more for me than any political figure out there.

Posted by: mgd1 | October 2, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I wear as a badge of honor the fact I have goaded an arrogant, self absorbed, economically illiterate, America hating liberal such as yourself into responding to my fine rhetoric. Go back to sipping your brandy, while wearing your ascot and reading the WaPo and NYT liberal rags.

Posted by: MikeJ9116

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Actually you're goading no one... you're simply portraying the neo-con right as a bunch of slogan-bleating half-wits, which is actually reinforcing our position.

So in effect, you're doing our job for us.

Thank you. We appreciate it more than you know.

Posted by: fido5150 | October 2, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: fido5150
Actually you're goading no one... you're simply portraying the neo-con right as a bunch of slogan-bleating half-wits, which is actually reinforcing our position.
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Now I have TWO badges. I bet I can get another one.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I am a moderate who generally votes to the left; however, I will vote for Palin in all polls and primaries. If Palin is the Republican candidate in 2012, Obama will win in a historic landslide. If Palin chooses not to run, then I hope the Repubs nominate Glenn Beck.

Hey, why not a Palin-Beck ticket?

Posted by: Kaneohe | October 2, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

NewsMonkey99 -

Your comments might carry some weight if you didn't reserve your fire solely for the conservative voices here.

You are quite willing to overlook the crap that is put out by people who share your views.

Posted by: bobmoses | October 2, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116:

I wear as a badge of honor the fact I have goaded an arrogant, self absorbed, economically illiterate, America hating liberal such as yourself into responding to my fine rhetoric. Go back to sipping your brandy, while wearing your ascot and reading the WaPo and NYT liberal rags.
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Really, the post was not so much directed at your, but about you. You are a poster boy for the ignorant who believe that no matter what you say, if you scream it loud enough, people will believe you. As someone pointed out, it is only those that are just as ignorant who will give you an ear.

I find it ironic that in replying to my post, you underscore the very point I make. Do not bother to address the substance of my post, presumably because you are incapable of doing so. Instead, simply lob baseless attacks at me and call me names. I think we all used to do that, in 3rd grade.

So continue to spew your baseless unintelligent diarrhea, demonstrating that it is in fact YOU that is arrogant and self-absorbed. It is now abundantly clear to every critical thinker reading this that you are incapable of making an argument.

And yes, as another poster has correctly surmised. I was raised and right of center. When the Rovian (you do know who Karl Rove is, don't you?) politics of which you so demonstrate their effectiveness came in to play, and W got elected, I did shift to the left. My Grandchildren will be trying to undo the apocalyptic damage that the Bush administration did and you now to opportunistically pin on Obama.

Try to make an intelligent argument... I DARE YA!

Posted by: NewsMonkey99 | October 2, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

fido5150 -

And you represent the slogan-bleating half-wits on the left. You really think your rhetoric is any superior?

Please.

Posted by: bobmoses | October 2, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

NewsMonkey99 -

"Instead, simply lob baseless attacks at me and call me names."

And there are plenty of liberals here doing the same thing? Again, spare us the hypocrisy.

Posted by: bobmoses | October 2, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

NewsMonkey99

"My Grandchildren will be trying to undo the apocalyptic damage that the Bush administration did and you now to opportunistically pin on Obama.

Try to make an intelligent argument... I DARE YA!"

And you think that crap is an "intelligent argument"? Easy there liberal Glen Beck with your ranting about the apocalypse.

Posted by: bobmoses | October 2, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

She is the female George W. Bush and is popular with his supporters. Namely, old white racist Southern evangelical numbskulls. I hope she's the GOP nominee for every election until she's too old to run.

Posted by: ottoparts | October 2, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

NewsMonkey99 -

Your comments might carry some weight if you didn't reserve your fire solely for the conservative voices here.

You are quite willing to overlook the crap that is put out by people who share your views.
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Thanks for you comment, but respectfully, I disagree with you. In fact, in the "To All:" section, I really was addressing everyone, not just the conservative voices. Perhaps I could have said "these two people are the two dumbest people in the forum", and sited one from each side, but really, he just stands out.

To be clear, there is ignorance on both sides. Both sides could take this to heart.

Posted by: NewsMonkey99 | October 2, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

and everyone continues to treat politics as a source of fun and games.There are 45 million mexicans(native americans,that's what most of them are)..42 million african-americans,approximatelly 212 million european americans which are divided into two main camps,55% conservative and 45% liberal.Now as if this isan't difficult enough to sort out,Israel is ready for whatever it needs to do to survive with or without U.S. help and that includes unleashing holy hell on the world,Arab countries want to do everything in their power to annihilate Israel,Russia and China are watching intently with their fingers on the trigger,India and Pakistan are waiting for their own signal to break into a war,Africa is dying of AIDS...now i can keep going,and you guys think this is fun?

Posted by: kiler616 | October 2, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

NewsMonkey99

"So continue to spew your baseless unintelligent diarrhea, demonstrating that it is in fact YOU that is arrogant and self-absorbed. It is now abundantly clear to every critical thinker reading this that you are incapable of making an argument."

LOL. It seems the you are confusing your ability to spew ad-hominem attack as an argument.

Please, oh enlightened one, please let us know exactly what is the intellectual argument that you are trying to make.

Better yet, spare us the hypocrisy.

Posted by: bobmoses | October 2, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NewsMonkey99

"Thanks for you comment, but respectfully, I disagree with you. In fact, in the "To All:" section, I really was addressing everyone, not just the conservative voices. Perhaps I could have said "these two people are the two dumbest people in the forum", and sited one from each side, but really, he just stands out.

To be clear, there is ignorance on both sides. Both sides could take this to heart."

Oh please, Dr Apocalypse, stop kidding yourself. You are clearly on one of the sides.

Posted by: bobmoses | October 2, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

NewsMonkey99 -

For example, you have nothing to say about this idiot:

"She is the female George W. Bush and is popular with his supporters. Namely, old white racist Southern evangelical numbskulls"

Any comments for your liberal buddy? I thought not.

Posted by: bobmoses | October 2, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

bobmoses :

And you think that crap is an "intelligent argument"? Easy there liberal Glen Beck with your ranting about the apocalypse.
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Look. I get what you're saying. It's charged language, but seriously, I'm not breaking any news here. Just search for "bush administration legacy" and you can read for yourself.

Posted by: NewsMonkey99 | October 2, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

The best part about Palin is to be around some liberals and say her name. They start frothing at the mouth and speaking in tongues. Hilarious.
Here watch,"Go Palin"...

Posted by: Bubbette1 | October 2, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

NewsMonkey99

"Look. I get what you're saying. It's charged language, but seriously, I'm not breaking any news here. Just search for "bush administration legacy" and you can read for yourself."

Right I will get a bunch of liberal blogs calling him the anti-Christ. If do the same with Obama I will get conservatives calling him the anti-Christ.

You are right that there are fools on both sides. You don't seem to understand that you are one of them

Posted by: bobmoses | October 2, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NewsMonkey99
Really, the post was not so much directed at your, but about you. You are a poster boy for the ignorant who believe that no matter what you say, if you scream it loud enough, people will believe you. As someone pointed out, it is only those that are just as ignorant who will give you an ear.
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.... and you are the poster boy for whay liberals make up such a small portion of the population in the USA. You are ignorant of life, in general, arrogant, condescending among other unsavory traits. Keep thinking you are superior because it this is the trait that makes you the most politically vulnerable.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

"...she could see Rusha from her house. Oh geeze."
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The "Russia" comments on this board are an amusing example of why folks stuck in that other Washington need to expand their horizons a little. The woman was speaking figuratively.

In fact, you can see Russia from several places in Alaska (weather permitting of course) including Little Diomede, Tin City AFB, and St. Lawrence Island. More to the point, in the Northwest one interacts with Russians pretty much on a daily basis as neighbors, friends, co-workers, etc.

When Mayor Giuliani and Governor Schwarzennegger talk about terrorism or fire disasters happening "right in their backyard," most people know they aren't being literal. The ones who don't probably shouldn't be voting.

Posted by: bixdugan | October 2, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Remember images of red-faced delegates from Indiana at the Republican convention jumping up and down with signs reading "Hoosiers for the Hot Chick"?

That says it all.

Posted by: probashi | October 2, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

bobmoses :

Really, as I said before, left or right, he stands out. I could have listed others, and I conceded your point that perhaps I should have. It might also help your argument if you site a post that happened before my original post. :)

Contrary to what you might think, I'm not here to bash people, although I can see where one would think that. My rant was to make a larger point that this sort _baseless_ attack that doesn't even relate to anything meaningful, and doesn't even make an argument, should be stopped.

Again, BOTH SIDES ARE GUILTY OF THIS. Happy?

Posted by: NewsMonkey99 | October 2, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bobmoses
Try to make an intelligent argument... I DARE YA!"
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Nine TRILLION DOLLARS of debt in the next ten years. Game, set and match. That was easy.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Lindsay Graham a conservative Republican said the birthers are crazy. He also called them nuts.

Graham also called Glenn Beck a cynic.

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 2, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Let me put it this way: if she is nominated, she will split the Republican party into two parts intelligent/educated elite, and the "main street" Sarah Palin types. If the main-street yokels .........
Posted by: johnnormansp | October 2, 2009 4:19 PM |
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Spoken like a true elitist.

Posted by: AkCoyote | October 2, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I think Palin would be fine choice for the Republican presidential nominee. And oh, did I mention I'm a Democrat?

Seriously, the fact that many Republicans actually think she would make a good president is frightening. My guess is she appeals to people who are as ignorant and unsophisticated as she is, apparently the Republican base. The sad thing is many Republicans don't even know who runs the party and what their objectives are. Hint: It's all about keeping the superrich superrich. They spread lies about global warming because they don't want to pay for it. They'll be cool in their mansions. Why should they care?

We joke, but this is a very serious matter. Palin with her finger on the nuclear trigger is a nightmare we should all fear.

Posted by: hharris4 | October 2, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I think Sarah would make a good precedent...and she would set a good precedent..she would sort out bad americans from good americans...she would separate unreal americans from real americans...she would split up real america from fake america.She would also take a good look at russia,She would try to make the african country a state where african americans can go...she would send mexicans and indians back to where they came from...and for that matter all immigrants and children of immigrants,only real americans can hang out here!...she would de-annex Hawaii...no people from there we should pal around with!!...wow amd the list would go on..

Posted by: kiler616 | October 2, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a catastrophe --

for her family whom she uses as props,

for her state that she abandons for $$$$,

for her party as she is an extremist whose lack of intelligence and knowledge is disturbing and yet whose ego knows no bounds,

and for the country who does not need an inexperienced, shrill who lies to the American public (i.e., death panels), and who is eager to spend thousands upon thousands of donation money on her clothing and her "first dude" husband's clothing (you cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear....).

Catastrophe? You betcha! wink, wink!!

Posted by: abbydelabbey | October 2, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MILLER123
Lindsay Graham a conservative Republican said the birthers are crazy. He also called them nuts.
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How about those 9-11 Truthers on the left? Obama puts the Truthers in the White House!!! What does that say about the Messiah?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Uh, MikeJ9116: So... liberals make up such a small portion of Americans you say? Dude, may I remind you who was elected president in the last go-round? By a LANDSLIDE no less? Here's a hint: it wasn't your idol Sarah and her ole man running mate.

You, MikeJ9116, do not have the smallest SHRED of a clue what mainstream America thinks, or how many liberals there are. And to top it all off, when you get mad you can't even SPELL simple words like "why".

Dream on Mike. Dream on.

Posted by: mavisdarling | October 2, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: abbydelabbey
Palin is a catastrophe --

for her family whom she uses as props,
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What you call "props" is REAL LIFE. You show the typical liberal elitist disconnect to the average American and their average lives.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

..."I am a moderate who generally votes to the left; however, I will vote for Palin in all polls and primaries. If Palin is the Republican candidate in 2012, Obama will win in a historic landslide. If Palin chooses not to run, then I hope the Repubs nominate Glenn Beck."

Hey, why not a Palin-Beck ticket?

Posted by: Kaneohe | October 2, 2009 6:32 PM

HAHAHAHA! I guess lindsey graham was right There are a few nuts in his party.

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 2, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mavisdarling
Uh, MikeJ9116: So... liberals make up such a small portion of Americans you say? Dude, may I remind you who was elected president in the last go-round? By a LANDSLIDE no less?
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Obama got elected by LYING to the public. This is the only way liberals can win national elections. BTW, if you consider a 52% to 48% win a landslide then I bet you think a certain body part is 18" long.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

...And Bush got elected for being honest?

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 2, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116 you are an Islamofacsist leberal commie fascist conservative libaral cow-pig

Posted by: kiler616 | October 2, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116

Nine TRILLION DOLLARS of debt in the next ten years. Game, set and match. That was easy.
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Really? Well, I must say you're improving. At least that wasn't just a bunch of name calling.

Now, what you said makes a great soundbite, but if you look at what caused him to spend the money instead of just saying "it's because he's a tax and spend liberal", you'd find that he's spending the money to buy us out of economic collapse. He may have some "tax and spend liberal" in him but that's not the only reason we're up to our ears in Debt. I don't agree with all of it either, but the economic collapse was brought about by years and years of deregulation started by Clinton and blown out of proportion by Bush.

I have problems with Obama too. Serious problems. Just yesterday it came out that he wants to reaffirm parts of the Patriot Act. That's terrible legislation and it should have never made it to law, but it did. But that's another issue. I only point it out to show that I'm not a hyper-left Obama loyalist who has a "winner-take-all" approach and who cannot concede points when they are well articulated, but frankly yours are not.

Case in point, your post I quote here demonstrates that you are not interested in a debate, because if you were, you would not oversimplify things as you do. Again, I am terribly worried about the debt that he's racking up, but the reasons why he's doing it can be seen understandable in the context of our current situation. It's a serious problem. We should debate it, but the tone that you take and what you say is not debate, it's just smug rhetoric.

Posted by: NewsMonkey99 | October 2, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Mooselini doesn't have a prayer:

1. "If the 2012 presidential election were held today, whom would you support if the candidates are Barack Obama, the Democratic candidate, and Sarah Palin, the Republican candidate?"

Barack Obama, 56%

Sarah Palin, 33%

[Marist Poll. Aug. 3-6, 2009.]

2. "If the next presidential election were held today, and the two candidates were Democrat Barack Obama and Republican [see below], for whom would you vote?"

Barack Obama, 53%

Sarah Palin, 34%

[Clarus Research Group. Aug. 14-18, 2009.]

Posted by: WhatHeSaid | October 2, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Say what you want about Palin and Steve Schmidt, but he was McCain's campaigb guru and Palin was dead right about DAVID LETTERMAN.

Why not refocus the conversation on getting Letterman off the air. Don Imus had to do "pine time." Letterman should br fired. Palin should be recognised as seeing that pervert for what he really is, a pervert.

Posted by: KEVIN25 | October 2, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MILLER123
...And Bush got elected for being honest?
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Are you admitting Obama lied?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kiler616
MikeJ9116 you are an Islamofacsist leberal commie fascist conservative libaral cow-pig
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I bet thinking that up nearly gave you a stroke.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

bobmoses :
Oh please, Dr Apocalypse, stop kidding yourself. You are clearly on one of the sides.
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Whatever. We're having a debate. I made points, you made points. That part works for me. Name calling without substance, well, it just doesn't do anything positive. It might make you feel good that you can say bad things about people without repercussion. I think all of us identify with that at some level, but it provides nothing constructive to a debate about subjects which I think we all agree are very important. That's all I'm trying to say. So, you can think what you want. You can call me "Dr Apocalypse" and label me a leftist all you want. I really couldn't care less, personally. I'm much more interested in debating the issues.

Posted by: NewsMonkey99 | October 2, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NewsMonkey99
Now, what you said makes a great soundbite, but if you look at what caused him to spend the money instead of just saying "it's because he's a tax and spend liberal", you'd find that he's spending the money to buy us out of economic collapse.
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You actually believe Obama's BS. He is proposing MASSIVE deficit spending because he is a socialist/communist/fascist liberal. Thinking he can do anything different is like expecting a rabbit to not eat its own sheet.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

After reading all these opinions both pro and con about Sarah Palin and what her book preorders mean we won't get an accurate indicator of the direction of the country because it is the undecided who swing the elections and that isn't for another year. So let's talk in Sept. 2010.

Posted by: gerryg123 | October 2, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NewsMonkey99
I have problems with Obama too. Serious problems. Just yesterday it came out that he wants to reaffirm parts of the Patriot Act. That's terrible legislation and it should have never made it to law, but it did. But that's another issue. I only point it out to show that I'm not a hyper-left Obama loyalist who has a "winner-take-all" approach and who cannot concede points when they are well articulated, but frankly yours are not.
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You need to get your priorities straight. NINE TRILLION DOLLARS worth of debt is a MILLION TIMES more damaging to this country than the Patriot Act.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Post Editors and their ilk are showing who they fear the most.

Posted by: pgr88 | October 2, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NewsMonkey99
Case in point, your post I quote here demonstrates that you are not interested in a debate, because if you were, you would not oversimplify things as you do. Again, I am terribly worried about the debt that he's racking up, but the reasons why he's doing it can be seen understandable in the context of our current situation. It's a serious problem. We should debate it, but the tone that you take and what you say is not debate, it's just smug rhetoric.
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If it isn't clear to you what NINE TRILLION DOLLARS of debt will do to this country then I can't help you understand it. This should be stopped at all costs outside of national security matters. This means healthcare, Medicare, welfare and every other program that is in effect.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pgr88
The Washington Post Editors and their ilk are showing who they fear the most.
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It isn't just the press that fears Palin. It is also the elitist Republicans and much as the elitist Democrats. She represents the biggest threat to their cronyism network that they abuse whether they are in power or not. She pounded the Republicans in Alaska for corruption as Job One BEFORE she was elected governor. It is why she was elected governor.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I do enjoy the transparency of the left, especially those in the dinosaur media. They make it plain who and what causes them terrors and night-sweats, and they broadcast it for all to see. Sarah Palin scares these folks to death. The more the left rants, the more normal human beings flock to her side of the argument. For this reason alone, I encourage all lefties, especially those armed with a keyboard, to continue their ranting and raving about Sarah Palin. The more they do, the more support Mrs. Palin brings to her side.
I’m not sure what this Stromberg person’s act is, other than he is clearly an Øbama sycophant and mindless Palin basher. That woman scares this pantywaist half to death.
Keep on keepin’ on lefties. Only a few short months to 2010, and 2012 will be a year of pure patriotic celebration. Enjoy your remaining days of relevance, you won’t see this again for generations.


Posted by: chefdaniel1 | October 2, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: chefdaniel1
Keep on keepin’ on lefties. Only a few short months to 2010, and 2012 will be a year of pure patriotic celebration. Enjoy your remaining days of relevance, you won’t see this again for generations.
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Just today corruption in government overtook the economy as the number one concern of the public. What party do you think they are concerned with? It sure isn't the Republicans because they don't control anything. This is a damning critique of the Democrats' performance since regaining control of Congress in 2006 and is a harrowing preview of what they face in the 2010 and 2012 elections.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Please nominate Sarah Palin as the GOPs presidential candidate...and watch every single fiscal conservative and middle of the road Republican run for the hills or vote for the Democrats. I hope she runs. It will be all the more entertaining when only Alaska and South Carolina vote for her.

Posted by: kmob181 | October 2, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse
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South Carolina maybe. Alaska not so much.

Posted by: dgldsn | October 2, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

"where she could see Rusha from her house. Oh geeze. "

Shouldn't you be in school ? It's Russia and what she said was that you can see it from Alaska, which is true. Look in your atlas, if you have one.

One reason she quit was because of spiteful irrelevant lawsuits filed against her, as Gov, which under AK law she had to fight with her own money, after $500K or so she had enough, as would most of us.

The continued vilification of her only shows that the lefties fear her appeal so they're going to destroy her if they can, it's what they do, they're so tolerant after all.

Posted by: Stan46 | October 2, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is the last best hope in 2012.........to ensure the Democratic Party will win! But why tell the GOP that pouring gasoline on a fire is a bad idea?

Posted by: gce1356 | October 2, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I'll never forget the night she winked at me on TV. It made me hard.
In spite of that, for me, she'll never be of presidential timber.
I hold a vision of her posed saucily and piously suggestive, dressed to the nines in full Nazi regalia: on her head the classic high peeked cap-currently favored by the Chinese-standing in 6” spike heeled riding boots. What a girl!
If the Republicans stick her out there in ’12, so be it. America will have an opportunity to take a long, deep look at the Christo-Fascist segment of the society. It can’t hurt.

Posted by: mikie44 | October 2, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

P.S. Just what qualifications did Obama have to be president anyway ? An Ivy League degree ? He's never had a real job before, as becomes more obvious every day.

Palin had more real world executive experience than all the other three put together.

Posted by: Stan46 | October 2, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gce1356
Sarah Palin is the last best hope in 2012.........to ensure the Democratic Party will win! But why tell the GOP that pouring gasoline on a fire is a bad idea?
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At least they have to pour gasoline on Palin to get her to burn. Obama is spontaneously combusting EVERY DAY! LOL!!

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

"She picked a fight with David Letterman, of all people."

Did you *read* Letterman's revolting remarks ?

We saw today what a slimeball he is anyway, he should be fired immediately, after all if you or I hit on coworkers we'd be out the door pdq, but I guess if you're a media "star" or a Hollyweird type (or a prominent Democrat) there's different rules ?

Posted by: Stan46 | October 2, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mikie44
I'll never forget the night she winked at me on TV. It made me hard.
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We all know Hillary or Michelle could never do that for you. You would need an IV drip V@#gra to do the same watching them.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Stan46
P.S. Just what qualifications did Obama have to be president anyway ? An Ivy League degree ? He's never had a real job before, as becomes more obvious every day.

Palin had more real world executive experience than all the other three put together.
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Obama had/has none and it is costing this country dearly every do he is is in office.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116 wrote: "He has no clue why Palin is so popular among a wide swath of people."

Referring to the writer of the article referenced, Mikej9116 might consider changing his statement to read, "He has no clue why Palin is so popular among a wide swath of marginally intelligent people."

I encourage this commenter to continue his ranting and support of one of the most unamerican voices coming out of the far right lunatic fringe. His/her efforts will only serve to squash the GOP even further in the 2012 presidential elections than it is at present.

Posted by: queenofromania | October 2, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

You leftys always let us know who our candidates should be. The more you attack and try to destroy them , the more we know that you fear them. For whatever reason. Thank you. You do not really think that you will be in power forever, do you? How naiive of you. And all these rules that you are changing? When they are used against you, you will not be happy campers. You will whine. As usual. And we will laugh at you. As usual. The shift is already happening.

Posted by: Dionysis | October 2, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

"Referring to the writer of the article referenced, Mikej9116 might consider changing his statement to read, "He has no clue why Palin is so popular among a wide swath of marginally intelligent people."


Yet another example of how lefties resort to insult at every opportunity, it's like they never grew up.

Posted by: Stan46 | October 2, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

I often jokingly say that the two parties are made up of voting blocks. The Dems are the tired, the poor, and the friends of Al Gore. The GOP blocks are the rich and the ignorant. Palin's candidacy WOULD be catastrophic for the GOP, because the ignorant would all vote for Palin, and the rich would marshal forces to beat her. The Dems would win again, and the party would be in tatters. It would split into the GOP and the GED.

Posted by: steveboyington | October 2, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Is Sarah a teabagger?

Posted by: nowhine | October 2, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Reading message boards always reminds me of how little people know about the real world. It seems that a lot of "conservative" voters think the US is currently a combination of Somalia and Cuba, what with the need to have 50 guns apiece and the oppressive government controlling everything. It seems that a lot of "liberal" voters think we are a mix of the bank in Monopoly and some kibbutz. Both sets of voters like to post things online... a lot. Both sets of voters seem to think they are a majority of Americans, when they are a tiny majority. The majority of Americans have too much important stuff to do and too much common sense to get involved in these message boards.

Posted by: steveboyington | October 2, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116 wrote:
"You actually believe Obama's BS. He is proposing MASSIVE deficit spending because he is a socialist/communist/fascist liberal."

Wow, a socialist, a communist, and a fascist, all at the same time! Even though they're all mutually exclusive!

But regardless, if Obama's deficit spending is because he is a socialist/communist/fascist, what was George W. Bush's reason?

Posted by: presto668 | October 2, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116 wrote:
"Are you really this stupid? She is unemployed? She just raked in $7 million from writing a book! If that is you definition of "unemployed" then I'll take some of that myself! LOL!!!"

Hmm, 7 million dollars for a book that was probably ghost-written. Yes, I can see how that would make her understand the plight of middle America.

Anyway, she may be rich, but she doesn't have a steady job. In the great middle-American spirit of toughing it out through the difficult times, she took a deep breath, squared her shoulders.... and quit. Remember?

Posted by: presto668 | October 2, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: queenofromania
I encourage this commenter to continue his ranting and support of one of the most unamerican voices coming out of the far right lunatic fringe. His/her efforts will only serve to squash the GOP even further in the 2012 presidential elections than it is at present.
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.... and I encourage you to keep displaying your self applied liberal arrogance. It will ownly help to further cement the liberals fall to disgrace. It will be fun watching people like you whine about your electoral defeats in 2009, 2010 and 2012.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: nowhine
Is Sarah a teabagger?
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You are when a liberal drops his slacks.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

The issue elicits a lot of passion from both the intellectuals and the morons. I'm not sure if that means anything or not.
All I know is that both sides will have to admit that the Republican Party is in disarray. That will delight some, distress others, and in a few, foster a greed to capitalize on that situation. The fact is that the Republicans shot themselves in the foot by putting Ms Palin on the ticket. If they were determined to put a female on the ticket, there were a number of far more qualified women already serving in the Congress who could have passed muster for the job. But they didn't, and they lost the election. And, after the miserable failure of the Bush years, they probably would have anyway, but now, one would think that the Republicans would try to restore the honor of the GOP (and take back Congress and the White House) by thoughtful and positive action. Here again, they seem to be their own worst enemy. The Republicans effectively shot down healthcare during the Clinton era. Then they took charge of Congress and the White House and not one word or action was made toward healthcare. Years later, the Democrats take power again and seek to bring healthcare back to the table, and the Republicans once again try to stomp it down. They had years of majority to push their own healthcare plan, but they have no healthcare plan. Or perhaps their healthcare plan is to keep wealthly the insurance execs who donate to the GOP.

Posted by: coinkid | October 2, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Mikej9116 said, "He has no clue why Palin is so popular among a wide swath of people."

That's the first post and it says it all.

The wide swath of people who think palin is the second coming are the mud dumb religious fanatics who believe the earth is 6,000 years old and humans walked with dinosaurs.

Most of them can be found in Pig's Knuckle Hollow West Virginia or anywhere in Kansas.

Please, run that nitwit in 2012 and have Huckabuck as her running mate.

Posted by: rcubedkc | October 2, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: presto668
Wow, a socialist, a communist, and a fascist, all at the same time! Even though they're all mutually exclusive!

But regardless, if Obama's deficit spending is because he is a socialist/communist/fascist, what was George W. Bush's reason?
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I never thought i would see that combination either until Obama started governing.

Obama puts Bush to shame for deficit spending. You must be running short of brain matter to pull out the "Bush did it too" defense. You complain about Bush then justify Obama's actions because Bush did the same thing. Do you know that makes you look like an idiot? Besides, Obama's spending makes Bush look like Scrooge.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: presto668
Anyway, she may be rich, but she doesn't have a steady job. In the great middle-American spirit of toughing it out through the difficult times, she took a deep breath, squared her shoulders.... and quit. Remember?
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You are stupid. She has $7 million in the bank and you are ragging on her for not having a steady job? LOL!!!!

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: coinkid
All I know is that both sides will have to admit that the Republican Party is in disarray.
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This comment is laughable. The Democrats have super majorities in Congress, hold the white House and still can't pass a liberal bill after the Stimulus POS they rammed through without reading in February.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

PALIN FOR PRESIDENT!!2012 TO 2012 and a half.

Posted by: kubrickstan | October 2, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Ronald Reagan was just as ill-qualified to run for President as is Palin. And he won against an unpopular president during an economic downturn who had dared to tangle with the Israeli lobby and was humbled in his dealings with Iran. Sound familiar?

Posted by: ripvanwinkleincollege | October 2, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rcubedkc
Please, run that nitwit in 2012 and have Huckabuck as her running mate.
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In 2012 the Republicans could nominate the dead guy from the movie "Weekend At Bernie's" and still beat Obama. He lied to the American people once but they won't believe him twice. Obama has already accomplished in 9 months what it took Jimmy Carter to do in four years.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ripvanwinkleincollege
Ronald Reagan was just as ill-qualified to run for President as is Palin. And he won against an unpopular president during an economic downturn who had dared to tangle with the Israeli lobby and was humbled in his dealings with Iran. Sound familiar?
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Funny how history has a habit of repeating itself.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

If Sarah Palin is the new Messiah of the Republican Party, then they are really in trouble. Is she the best they have to offer up? Aside from the fact that she is little more than George W. Bush in a skirt, what does she really have to offer? Who is/will be Sarah's brain?

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | October 2, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

If Palin is the new Republican Messiah, then I really feel sorry for them. Is she the best candidate for the future the GOP has to offer? Can anyone seriously imagine the Republicans in Congress or other key political positions actually supporting her as a Presidential candidate?

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | October 2, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I hope Palin and Cheney go hunting together.

Posted by: swissmaestro | October 2, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: lddoyle2002
If Sarah Palin is the new Messiah of the Republican Party, then they are really in trouble. Is she the best they have to offer up? Aside from the fact that she is little more than George W. Bush in a skirt, what does she really have to offer? Who is/will be Sarah's brain?
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You are one of those brain dead liberals I wrote about in my first post. Palin isn't looked at as a Messaih like you liberals look at Obama. She is seen as an average person that understands the lives of average people because she lives the same life.

She just might turn out to be the Ronald Reagan of this moment in history and it is this that scares the the entrenched politicians on both sides of the isle. I don't care if people like you don't understand her appeal because you don't have an open enough mind to get it. There are way too few people like you to stop her if she proves to be the person that inspires the average people to take back their country and restore our freedoms granted by the Constitution.

If she proves up to the task she will steamroll the radical liberal and far left wacko fringe that has taken over the Democrat Party. The return of the Reagan Democrats will occur in force except they will be Palin Democrats in 2012.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: lddoyle2002
If Palin is the new Republican Messiah, then I really feel sorry for them. Is she the best candidate for the future the GOP has to offer? Can anyone seriously imagine the Republicans in Congress or other key political positions actually supporting her as a Presidential candidate?
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Obama sure wasn't the best candidate the Democrats had to offer in 2008.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: swissmaestro
I hope Palin and Cheney go hunting together.
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If I said something similar about Obama you would call me a racist.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kubrickstan
PALIN FOR PRESIDENT!!2012 TO 2012 and a half.
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I sure wish you were right on that timeline because that would mean we could kick Obama out of office about now.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Anybody who thinks that Sarah Palin has a prayer to win a national election is completely out of touch with reality. It all comes down to electoral votes, and there is no possible way she could take away enough blue states to win. The math just doesn't work. No way. No how. No Palin.

Posted by: rcupps | October 2, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Palin is dopey and dangerous. She has support from like-minded people - the kind who are prepared to wage war at the drop of a hat and who enjoy being bigoted and empty-headed.

You could expect her to stumble into WWIII without realising that she had done so.

Posted by: robertjames1 | October 2, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

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If I said something similar about Obama you would call me a racist.

Mike, I was just joking... anyway, hunting rifles don't kill people--people kill people.

Posted by: swissmaestro | October 2, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: swissmaestro
Mike, I was just joking... anyway, hunting rifles don't kill people--people kill people.
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You might be but liberals from Jimmy Carter on down aren't joking.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rcupps
Anybody who thinks that Sarah Palin has a prayer to win a national election is completely out of touch with reality. It all comes down to electoral votes, and there is no possible way she could take away enough blue states to win. The math just doesn't work. No way. No how. No Palin.
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A lot of people said the very same thing about Ronald Reagan before 1980 and some even in 1984 when Reagan won the popular vote in 49 states.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: robertjames1
Palin is dopey and dangerous. She has support from like-minded people - the kind who are prepared to wage war at the drop of a hat and who enjoy being bigoted and empty-headed.

You could expect her to stumble into WWIII without realising that she had done so.
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This is laughable considering Obama now calls the War on Terror an "Overseas Contingency Operation". I am sure that the families of the soldiers dying in Afghanistan while Obama jets to Copenhagen, instead of figuring out a strategy to win, doesn't see that fight as an Overseas Contingency Operation. It is a war and should be fought like a war and fought to win. Or we should leave. I'll take Palin overseeing a war any day over what I have seen from Obama. She certainly couldn't do any worse than him.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

I have just one question: Will my book come with the 150ct pack of crayons or will I have to settle for an 8ct pack?

Posted by: JD15 | October 2, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Palin might be seen as divisive if your a liberal, and so what. But she clearly unified the conservative base and even gave McCain a boost that if not for the sub prime crisis would have carried him to victory.


Irregardless of his abysmal performance during the campaign and Sarah Palin's re-energizing effect, the boob McCain still blew it. So anyway Stephen Stromberg is just a typical liberal sniper, Palin is a uniter for Republicans, piss on how Stromberg and his leftist buddies feel.

Posted by: Homunculus | October 2, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JD15
I have just one question: Will my book come with the 150ct pack of crayons or will I have to settle for an 8ct pack?
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You sound more like an 8 count pack type of guy. Why waste the extra crayons on a person that can't comprehend more than 8 colors? This has to be true because you don't even know how to pick a real coloring book.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Please let this ditzbrain be the rethugs 2012 choice!

Posted by: brisbaneharris | October 2, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

And yet with all 'boogey man' scare campaign against Palin it appears she has what it takes to win an Election in America......
You know I come from Brazil a Country whose leader has not studied at all...a dropout in the primary years....I was against his candidacy and opposed him all the way because I cannot ( still can't)support someone who did not make the effort to study.
But he has been a good President in Brazil. His approval numbers are in the high 70% in the pools.
Brazil weathered the storms and has become more of a voice under his leadership...
So I am not so sure that a US President would need to be a brainy intellectual rather than a leader....
That is the real question. What it takes to be a good President?? A highly regarded intellectual with modest leadership skills or a leader without the intellectual knowledge.....it is that question that the electorate will answer...but where Palin is so bad for some Washington insiders the people of Alaska (the people she actually led) saw her favorably.....so my question is who is the writer to doubt the people's voices!!!! Has he any right to do so??? If so how credible is he in doing his claims??

Posted by: huntyrella | October 2, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: huntyrella
So I am not so sure that a US President would need to be a brainy intellectual rather than a leader....
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In the USA, Ronald Reagan and many other past presidents have already proven that it doesn't take an upper crust education to be a great president. We also have had Harvard graduates as president that can't lead at all. Our current president is proving to be one of these type of presidents.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brisbaneharris
Please let this ditzbrain be the rethugs 2012 choice!
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Palin is running circles around the libtards so I guess they are more of a ditzbrain than she is. You had better install a brain and spine into Obama if you want him to have a chance in 2012.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 2, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

MikeJ911 you have been fighting for Palin all day and didn't win her one vote. She won't even get out of the primaries, her republican challengers are going to eat her for breakfast. She quit her job as governor because it was to hard and she had an easy way to make money. Do you really think the majority of Americans are going to vote for a quitter?

Posted by: whatdyousay | October 2, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: whatdyousay
MikeJ911 you have been fighting for Palin all day and didn't win her one vote. She won't even get out of the primaries, her republican challengers are going to eat her for breakfast. She quit her job as governor because it was to hard and she had an easy way to make money. Do you really think the majority of Americans are going to vote for a quitter?
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... and you haven't lost her one vote. If she wins the nomination she will have to earn it just like everyone else will have to do the same. The real interesting contest might be on the Democrat side. If Obama doesn't get his c#@p together he will be in for the fight of his political life in the Dem primaries.

You have no clue why she quit her job. It had a lot to do with the waste of time lawsuits thrown at her by every lame brain liberal in Alaska. By 2012 that will be ancient history. In 2012 Obama will have to deal with a bad economy and dozens of broken campaign promises starting with his pledge to no raise taxes. Then we move on to the one about him giving a tax cut to 95% of the people. He will make Jimmy Carter look like Rocky Balboa.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

The only reason anyone would buy a book "written" by a politician, and especially one by someone like Sarah Palin, is to contribute money to their campaign funds. The Sarah Palin book will end up on the shelves of the local Goodwill store within weeks of purchase, or just add to the mountain of similar right wing tripe at the local landfill, since there is no reason for any intelligent person to read it. We all know that there is no way Sarah Palin is capable of writing a coherent sentence, much less a 400-page book. The woman is just not capable.

Of course she is a catastrophe for the Republicans. They are a catastrophe in the making. They and their bankrupt capitalist survival of the fittest ideology is suited only for the turn of the last century, not today's world.

Posted by: Chagasman | October 3, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

You have no clue why she quit her job. It had a lot to do with the waste of time lawsuits thrown at her by every lame brain liberal in Alaska. By 2012 that will be ancient history. In 2012 Obama will have to deal with a bad economy and dozens of broken campaign promises starting with his pledge to no raise taxes. Then we move on to the one about him giving a tax cut to 95% of the people. He will make Jimmy Carter look like Rocky Balboa.

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Are you in love with Sarah Palin, I can't believe your still at it, either that or you get paid to do this. It could go the way you say or the economy will be running like a well oil machine and that spells problems for your buddies and your secret lover. What do you think it's going to be like in the White house? You think Obama doesn't have to fight frivolous accusations on the daily? But is going to quit on us? NO. He's going to run again in 2012 and win.

Posted by: whatdyousay | October 3, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Sounds to me as if Steve is worried about some dirt that may end up in her new book that concerns him.

It matters not what his opinion of her is, and it matters not what the GOP thinks of her. It only matters what the people think of her.

And the American people LOVE HER!

You go girl!

Posted by: madcrazy4carlos | October 3, 2009 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Chagasman
The only reason anyone would buy a book "written" by a politician, and especially one by someone like Sarah Palin, is to contribute money to their campaign funds.
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Based on your lack of wit I wouldn't read a PostIt note that you would author.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 1:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Chagasman
Of course she is a catastrophe for the Republicans. They are a catastrophe in the making. They and their bankrupt capitalist survival of the fittest ideology is suited only for the turn of the last century, not today's world.
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You are just another arrogant liberal that hasn't got a clue of the crushing defeats headed your way in 2009, 2010 and 2012.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: whatdyousay
Are you in love with Sarah Palin, I can't believe your still at it, either that or you get paid to do this. It could go the way you say or the economy will be running like a well oil machine and that spells problems for your buddies and your secret lover. What do you think it's going to be like in the White house? You think Obama doesn't have to fight frivolous accusations on the daily? But is going to quit on us? NO. He's going to run again in 2012 and win.
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Obama doesn't have to fight anything because the press is giving him pass after pass on his corruption and disregard of the law. Fox News is the only outlet reporting the truth. That is changing slowly because even the people like Chris Matthews can't ignore Obama's incompetence and corruption forever. By 2012, Obama will be afraid to leave the White House because every question he will get will be about his corrupt administration and past ties to America hating liberals.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 1:48 AM | Report abuse

"Frankenstein" offers a good analogy: the monster was no worse than the genius who created it.

Posted by: psst_limbaugh_keep-ranting_satan | October 3, 2009 5:51 AM | Report abuse

NO, Ms. Palin is not, not, presidential material. Try running for the Senate.
My opinion is she is getting a sympathy response from her supporters who are still steamed, as I am, with the treatment she got from the BIASED M.S.M. One NYT writer had the arrogance to refer to themselves as the "EAST COAST MEDIA" did not like surprises when McCain chose her for a running mate.

Posted by: Mecarswell | October 3, 2009 6:09 AM | Report abuse

There's some irony in MikeJ9116 commenting that another poster can't see beyond 8 colors of crayon. I won't say more on that.

NewsMonkey99: I appreciate your fortitude.

My dad was a WWII Marine whose Marine brother died in Guam. Dad was a conservative, but even he would weep to read some of these postings. I commented to a writer in another paper that in this country we should be careful, very careful, not to be run over by a train while we stand on the tracks quarrelling over ticket prices and precise direction of the tracks. Prices and direction are important, but the train's still coming. Our fortunes are tied together. We must all get on the train. Perhaps some people won't want to travel, and that is their prerogative. But they also shouldn't be allowed to stop the train completely and then throw us under it when it starts again.

Enough of the train analogy, even I can see it's running out of steam. LOL

Another gentleman here commented that "normal" Americans don't spend time reading the blogs. I disagree. I spend a little time each day on a variety of sites reading article and comment. It is somewhat informative, and helps get a somewhat fuller picture of this big country. It doesn't make it any less sad. I wonder if we don't need a little less emotion and a little more logic and substance.

For you all, I must take some comfort that you are at least paying attention. Now, I'll go help my husband write his 1203rd cover letter to accompany his 1203rd resume.

Posted by: SeeMcSee | October 3, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

One focus of this thread is whether Sarah Palin is stupid or not.

Sarah Palin is one who believes the right-wing christian literal view of the Bible, i.e., the earth is about 6000 years old; that humans and dinosaurs co-existed; that evolution is totally wrong.

One can understand how someone, tought these errors at home and not given a decent, college education, might believe such primitive views. Such people are simply ignorant, they have not been fully educated.

But Sarah Palin has a college degree. Granted it took her several schools and five or six years to graduate, but she has a degree from an accredited college. That level of exposure should have enlightened her, helped her see that evolution is right, proven repeatedly under the Scientific Method. Just this week we have learned something new - there is a precursor hominid dating back 4.4 million years. So Sarah is stupid; her education did nothing to improve her ability to think logically, to consider alternatives and to reach her own, independent conclusions.

Sarah Palin is truly stupid.

She probably believes all the BS from Limbaugh, Beck, O"Reilly, and Coulter, totally missing the obvious, that these people have found a lucrative career feeding red meet to the ignorant right-wing christians.

I'm in agreement with those liberals who want to see Palin run for President. By 2012 we'll be coming out of Bush's recession and able to enjoy the entertainment value of her Stupidity. Tina Fey and SNL will be back.

RCharles

Posted by: RCharles1 | October 3, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

It seems,vicious hatred for Democrats, President Obama as well as the so called "liberals" has made a lot of people absolutely blind, without any ability for sane judgement. Palin obviously is not even qualified to be Governor! Come to your senses ! If you nominate this woman, your country will be in a lot more trouble than it is in now !

Posted by: wernerthomasi | October 3, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: psst_limbaugh_keep-ranting_satan
"Frankenstein" offers a good analogy: the monster was no worse than the genius who created it.
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Are you referring to Axelrod and Obama?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Mecarswell
NO, Ms. Palin is not, not, presidential material. Try running for the Senate.
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Palin has far more relevant experience to be president than Obama. It isn't even close and Obama shows this is true on a daily basis.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Hey Stromberg, why quote a failed campaign manager?
Nobody could do worse than Obama/Pelosi/Reid/Democrats who have put America into financial bondage for the unforeseeable future and don't have a clue how to stimulate the economy and create jobs.
If you want success, listen to the media pimps and do the opposite.

The worst president, the worst congress, the dumbest electorate has come together at the same time in history to produce the Obamination of America. The terrorists have to be happy that someone else is doing their work for them.

Posted by: ekim53 | October 3, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

The GOP would be foolish to tout any future candidate this early in the game. It would only give the media ample time to call said candidate vile names and would only give ample time to the fools in this country to believe what the media tells them to believe.

Posted by: thebink | October 3, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SeeMcSee
For you all, I must take some comfort that you are at least paying attention. Now, I'll go help my husband write his 1203rd cover letter to accompany his 1203rd resume.
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The last thing Obama and the Democrats are worried about is your husband's unemployment. They are too busy trying to socialize our government and flying off to Copenhagen to line the pockets of Obama's corrupt buddies/slave masters in Chicago with Olympic gold.

Democrats passes a "stimulus" package that had no stimulus in it. It was a liberal's wet dream of payback spending. If you want a jobs recovery then you need to vote for candidates that cut taxes across the board. Especially for businesses.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

It's my opinion that ever since Bush Sr., we've had Presidents who were mediocre.
The current President, for whom I voted, has been proved to be incompetent.
So Palin would probably be another popular candidate, like Obama, who would further drive the U.S. into second-class status.
As President she might undo the damage that Obama has done, but she wouldn't advance our country in the way we need to become once again the acme in technology and industry.

Posted by: sperrico | October 3, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RCharles1
Sarah Palin is one who believes the right-wing christian literal view of the Bible, i.e., the earth is about 6000 years old; that humans and dinosaurs co-existed; that evolution is totally wrong.
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How is the taste of that left wing blogger vomit you just spewed?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

The popularity of Sarah Palin among the teabagging right is proof that the old adage "never underestimate the stupidity of the general public" is alive and well. It's too bad that Steve Schmidt will be vilified for having the temerity to state the obvious.

Posted by: RetiredVeteran | October 3, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: wernerthomasi
Palin obviously is not even qualified to be Governor! Come to your senses ! If you nominate this woman, your country will be in a lot more trouble than it is in now !
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You can't state the above and and believe Obama is qualified to be president. He hgas ZERO executive experience and it shows daily with the decisions he makes. While young Americans are dying in the deserts of Afghanistan, Obama is jetting off to Copenhagen on the orders of his
Chicago political slave masters. While unemployment skyrockets he spends all his time on worthless healthcare reform.

Yeah, Obama sure has proven himself to be a fine leader. I know Palin couldn't have done any worse than Obama and the overwhelming odds are she would have done much better.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: thebink
The GOP would be foolish to tout any future candidate this early in the game. It would only give the media ample time to call said candidate vile names and would only give ample time to the fools in this country to believe what the media tells them to believe.
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It isn't the GOP touting Palin as a candidate. It is the libtards and the media going nuts every time Palin does a head fake on them. This book she wrote is going to drive the liberals insane.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I so enjoy watching liberals driven even more insane.

Posted by: thebink | October 3, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RetiredVeteran
The popularity of Sarah Palin among the teabagging right is proof that the old adage "never underestimate the stupidity of the general public" is alive and well. It's too bad that Steve Schmidt will be vilified for having the temerity to state the obvious.
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It is you that is stupidly underestimating the public and their motives. I suggest you attend a few Tea Parties before running your mouth about who attends them. You will be shocked to find plenty of Democrats and Independents there.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans need a realistic competent candidate to give independents a choice. Having someone like Palin even in the mix does not speak well for the two party system. Hopefully, a new party will arise out of the milieu to satisfy all of us disenchanted with the pseudo religious aspect inherent in the GOP.

Posted by: Oilcan4148 | October 3, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Oilcan4148
The Republicans need a realistic competent candidate to give independents a choice. Having someone like Palin even in the mix does not speak well for the two party system. Hopefully, a new party will arise out of the milieu to satisfy all of us disenchanted with the pseudo religious aspect inherent in the GOP.
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The Republicans need to nominate a true conservative candidate. They won't win nominating milk toast conservatives like John McCain.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Ah, MikeJ9116, I might agree with you, except I've seen from within what is done with excessive tax breaks to corporations (some who end up paying no taxes whatever), and I have NO confidence whatsoever that they have ANY interest in "the little guy." GM springs to mind...have you any idea how many tax breaks THEY got from the state of MI and from the city of Detroit?

You can quarrel, too, about whether the unions did it or corporate greed did it, but there's still a guy who's punched in and worked his hours, worked them well, and gone home, who's not the least bit political, who's going to come out on the wrong end of the stick.

If I'd seen long-term benefit in the past of continuing tax cuts, again, I would agree with you. But I think the world operates in pendulum fashion: sometimes tax breaks make sense, and sometimes they don't. To try to write any financial or political approach in stone and expect it to serve forever is, to my mind, unwise.

Posted by: SeeMcSee | October 3, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Palin-Huckabee 2012.

What could possibly make for a more entertaining campaign season?

Unbridled religious zealotry. Rampant patriotic correctness. Hyperbolic declarations about the issues. The comedy will just write itself.

Posted by: Krisipuu | October 3, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

to mikej9116: you may call Obama anything you want, but when you call him "unintelligent", you've lost your credibility. Also, in your later post you mention the "Liberals" trashing the constitution. Where were you those eight years when GWB was listening in our phone conversations, reading our email, checking what we read in the library, etc., etc.???? I certainly wish you had been so outraged, then.

Posted by: littlepaws | October 3, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

to SavedGirl: Just what kind of a "roll model" is that? You mean like, hot cross Bun, Kaiser roll, bear claw? It must be a bear claw since she's from Alaska.

Posted by: littlepaws | October 3, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

One other comment, in general: If you spit on an opponent and call him names, you can't seriously be surprised if he doesn't listen. If you kick his dog, you can't be shocked if he does the same to yours.

If your goal is to engage in discussion with an opponent and hopefully get him or her to see the reason in your beliefs and ideas, then the tenor of your words will make all the difference in the world. He may not ever totally agree, or become your best buddy, but progress is progress, no?

If, however, you are just attempting to be the loudest, most obnoxious individual here, if your personal ego-driven needs are foremost, then that, yes, speaks loudest...we all "describe" ourselves by our behavior.

I think nowadays it's so easy to be upset and anxious and frustrated. There are SO many good reasons for it. But, please, let's all take a deep breath and think about what it is we REALLY want to convey and then do it as civilly as possible. There are and will always be people whose grasp of issues or of any specific subject isn't full enough or deep enough. There's no percentage in pointing it out. It will be obvious enough.

We used to set the example for the world; we're now in danger of being nothing more than the world's entertainment.

Posted by: SeeMcSee | October 3, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SeeMcSee
Ah, MikeJ9116, I might agree with you, except I've seen from within what is done with excessive tax breaks to corporations
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You have also seen what excessive corporate taxation has done. It has cause wholesale manufacturing industries to leave the country.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
What could possibly make for a more entertaining campaign season?

Unbridled religious zealotry. Rampant patriotic correctness. Hyperbolic declarations about the issues. The comedy will just write itself.
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You forgot to add Obama's complete lack of competence. That will be a scream. Only it won't be screams of laughter, it will be screams of agony.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Mr. MikeJ9116, I haven't heard that word in years. It made me smile. Though it's "milquetoast," after a 1920s comic strip character. Which tells me you're not some old fogey, or you'd have known that. LOL

Posted by: SeeMcSee | October 3, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: littlepaws
to mikej9116: you may call Obama anything you want, but when you call him "unintelligent", you've lost your credibility.
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The only credibility that has been lost is Obama's. His teleprompter is more intelligent than him. I guess you didn't see his pathetic performance in Copenhagen yesterday? While he is out trying to line the pockets of his corrupt Chicago masters, unemployment rose, people died waiting on his plan for Afghanistan. Obama is too stupid to get his priorities straight.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116 wrote:
"You forgot to add Obama's complete lack of competence."
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Right. I forgot to add something that's in YOUR mind.

How silly of me not to be in telepathic communication with you, Mike.

Posted by: Krisipuu | October 3, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: littlepaws
Where were you those eight years when GWB was listening in our phone conversations, reading our email, checking what we read in the library, etc., etc.???? I certainly wish you had been so outraged, then.
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You must not have been paying attention. I had plenty of criticism for Bush. You mistakenly think I am a Republican. you are showing your stereotyping stupidity now. Quit before you look even dumber.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SeeMcSee
I think nowadays it's so easy to be upset and anxious and frustrated. There are SO many good reasons for it.
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A real good reason to be upset is to elect a president that lied all through his campaign and then, once elected, he attempts to turn the country socialist when he said he was a uniter, tax cutter, strong on defense etc. Then that same president lets our troops twist in the wind while he jets to Copenhagen and they continue to die in a war he said was the "good" war. you know the one he said he already knew how to fight and win? We sure have a lot to be angry about. then that is why elections can be such stress relievers. ;)

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116, to littlepaws:
You must not have been paying attention. I had plenty of criticism for Bush.

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You did?

Like me, littlepaws needs to be in telepathic communication with you -- or at least be able to remember everything you've ever posted on WaPo.


Posted by: Krisipuu | October 3, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SeeMcSee
Mr. MikeJ9116, I haven't heard that word in years. It made me smile. Though it's "milquetoast," after a 1920s comic strip character. Which tells me you're not some old fogey, or you'd have known that. LOL
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Actually, both terms are acceptable for the use of calling Obama spineless. I may be old but I am not ancient. ;)

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
Right. I forgot to add something that's in YOUR mind.
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You obviously aren't keeping up with current events.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
You did?

Like me, littlepaws needs to be in telepathic communication with you -- or at least be able to remember everything you've ever posted on WaPo.
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You can't even see reality for what it is so expecting you to be telepathic is a mistake I would never make. It is YOU that wrongly assumed I am a Bush fanboy. It is just more proof of your inability to utilize logical thinking to your benefit.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116: I have things I must do, so I can not reply to all your comments and/or at length.

I'll say this: I believe taxes are the responsibility side of the rewards of doing business or being part of a society, whatever it is. We ALL must pay them. And there will always be people that need help disproportionate to their ability to pull their own weight, like my mentally handicapped neighbor, who's been on his own for 10 years. It is unrealistic to believe otherwise.

To throw money up at the top of the pile (to concentrate TOO MUCH in one place...I'm not advocating communism or any other political/social/financial idea here) is not only unfair, it makes a hell of a mess when it all falls down. That's just common sense. To my mind, anyway.

Posted by: SeeMcSee | October 3, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116: "old but not ancient" LOL I am NOT about to be the pot calling the kettle black.

Have a good day.

Posted by: SeeMcSee | October 3, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Palin won't be the candidate in 2012. The GOP are starting to come to their senses. Look at Lindsey Graham's admission that Beck and Limbaugh are wackos. The core of the party will start speaking out but the final decision is up to Fox News. If Palin DOES end up being the candidate, you can bet the republicans will be BEGGING to reinstate the fairness doctrine because at this point it would work in their favor.

Posted by: blarsen1 | October 3, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116 wrote:
It is just more proof of your inability to utilize logical thinking to your benefit...It is YOU that wrongly assumed I am a Bush fanboy.
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1. You believe the phrase "Obama's complete lack of competence" is a statement of fact rather than opinion. If confusing fact and opinion is an example of -- to use your words -- utilizing logical thinking, no wonder conservatives are in trouble.

2. When did I, me, Krisipuu, assume you like Bush? I was quoting littlepaws.

3. You do realize that protesting that you aren't a fan of Bush only makes you sound like an "I'm above it all" libertarian.


Posted by: Krisipuu | October 3, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

blarsen wrote (to MikeJ9116): "Look at Lindsey Graham's admission that Beck and Limbaugh are wackos."
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Just watch, blarsen.

MikeJ will respond to that one of two ways: One, by calling Lindsey Graham a Marxist, or two, by insisting he's not a fanboy of Limbaugh and Beck.

Or both.


Posted by: Krisipuu | October 3, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin will never be short on ideas or people that find fault with her. She now has the means to protect her family from hypocrits like David Letterman and hundreds of liberal paper hacks and investigators such as those that invaded her home town like aliens from another world, which is how I look at all liberals.
I care less about McCain than before when we had no choice because the drive by media picked our canidate. Palin added spice to an otherwise, tasteless dish of right wing liberalism. Any ticket with Palin such as Fred Thompson or Romney will win over socialist Obamma. Any other choice will beat Obamma as the homeless in this country is about to explode. The jobless close to 20% shortly. What's it take? A load of bricks? They don't want to improve anything until they manage complete control, don't you get it? Complete control is what they are after. You can kiss your freedoms goodbye. All of the freedoms. What is it they do well, you want more of? Can you name one thing? And you want them in complete control? Good time for prayer, don't you think?

Posted by: saddlebum1 | October 3, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Finally, an issue Dems and Repub's can agree on: we both can't wait for Sarah Palin to be the nominee!!

Posted by: danw1 | October 3, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

saddlebum wrote:
"...like aliens from another world, which is how I look at all liberals."

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Me, I view all conservatives as Antarctic krill.

Posted by: Krisipuu | October 3, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

If Palin wins the Republican nomination in 12 Obama will win a second term. She is a quitter, and doesn't have any ideas. She has no foreign policy experience, and is clueless about the military. She needs to spend time formulating some ideas rather than throwing out a bunch of Red Herring's. Right now she exemplifies the current Republican mantra of "just say no." She might be ready in 2016; but, by then demographics will have worked against her.

Posted by: kerama98 | October 3, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Palin will have quite a time if she runs for President. Three amusing things she will need to deal with: 1) She pals around with someone who does not want Alaska to be in the US (her husband belonged to a secessionist party for over a decade); 2) She was a socialist Governor -- she signed into law an Alaska law to tax oil company profits when oil prices shot up; 3) She obviously lied on camera when Katy Couric asked her what newspapers she read. I wish ex-Governor Palin's supporters well.

Posted by: Riograd | October 3, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin won't make it out of the Republican primary debates.

What'll do her in are her embarrassing intellectual weaknesses -- perkiness, sappy inspirational phrases, and bumper-sticker slogans won't be enough to paper over them.

That, and having quit, whining, midway through her only important elective office. She has no stick-to-itiveness.

Posted by: Krisipuu | October 3, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Ok right now I am fed up. I don't care what your politics are, Stop throwing around terms like socialist, Marxist, and fascist! You aren't even using them properly, you make yourself look like an idiot by using them when you don't even have the meaning right and you lower the level of discourse.
Point 2. If you railed against criticism of Bush that it was improper, shut up!
I may or may not support Obama, what I don't track with is hypocrisy. So either shut it or make a legitimate criticism.

Posted by: flyersj0044 | October 3, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
Me, I view all conservatives as Antarctic krill.
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Me, I view all liberals as whatever krill have on their menu.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kerama98
If Palin wins the Republican nomination in 12 Obama will win a second term.
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Obama's worst enemy for preventing him from winning a second term is himself. He is more incompetent than Jimmy Carter and that is an achievement. Unless he tacks hard to the right like Clinton did in his first term, Daffy Duck will beat him in 2012. Palin will do it easily.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Riograd
Palin will have quite a time if she runs for President.
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Obama will have quite the time. He will finally have a record to defend. In 2008 all he had in his past was a bunch of "Present" votes and an unimpressive two years in the Senate. In 2012 he will have a HORRIBLE four year track record worse than Jimmy Carter to defend. He will be weaker than Mr. Burns from the Simpson's.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
Sarah Palin won't make it out of the Republican primary debates.
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She still has to earn the nomination. If she does win it she will have a juggernaut of a political operation behind her. She will have enthusiastic support from a broad base of conservatives. The Conservative base is twice the size of the liberal base and it is growing bigger every day the Democrats push their socialist/Marxist/fascist agenda down the people's throats.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: flyersj0044
Ok right now I am fed up. I don't care what your politics are, Stop throwing around terms like socialist, Marxist, and fascist!
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Who made you the Internet police? Those terms EXACTLY describe all aspects of the Democrats actions since 1-22-2009. Just because you can't handle the truth doesn't mean it shouldn't be said.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: flyersj0044
Point 2. If you railed against criticism of Bush that it was improper, shut up!
I may or may not support Obama, what I don't track with is hypocrisy. So either shut it or make a legitimate criticism.
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You really need to get rid of the habit of taking peoples' right to free speech from them.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
1. You believe the phrase "Obama's complete lack of competence" is a statement of fact rather than opinion. If confusing fact and opinion is an example of -- to use your words -- utilizing logical thinking, no wonder conservatives are in trouble.
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Where have you been the past nine months? What has Obama done as president that shows an abundance of competence?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

MikeJ wrote: "I view all liberals as whatever krill have on their menu."
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That would be phytoplankton, which are responsible for much of the oxygen present in the Earth's atmosphere.

So -- thank you!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoplankton

Posted by: Krisipuu | October 3, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
2. When did I, me, Krisipuu, assume you like Bush? I was quoting littlepaws.
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So much for your high standards of research. You believe a liberal poster here blindly?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
3. You do realize that protesting that you aren't a fan of Bush only makes you sound like an "I'm above it all" libertarian.
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The only ones here that think they are above it all is the liberals.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Ticky Dick Nixon told the press after his California defeat for governor, "You won't have Nixon to kick around any more."
Darned if he didn't pop up and become president of the U.S.! Took impeachment to get him to go away.
Sara Palin got tired of being Alaska's governor and just up and quit. Did she go away? Oh no, she is still amusing us, so her book should be a riot.
According to Borowitz we may take heart because an English translation is to be published soon.

Posted by: jusolart | October 3, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SeeMcSee
I'll say this: I believe taxes are the responsibility side of the rewards of doing business or being part of a society, whatever it is. We ALL must pay them.
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The government at all levels have become over burdensome of the population with taxes. Excessive taxation is spark that created this great country. Only this time that excessive taxation is coming from within instead of externally. This means we have to have a purging of our political system to restore the balance this is the core factor behind the Tea Party movement and this movement is growing by leaps and bounds.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
That would be phytoplankton, which are responsible for much of the oxygen present in the Earth's atmosphere.

So -- thank you!
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We finally found something liberals are competent at, making oxygen and being the food source for krill. Now that is settled does this mean the Democrats in Congress and Obama will resign tomorrow? This explains why they are such
incompetents at running the country.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jusolart
According to Borowitz we may take heart because an English translation is to be published soon.
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I think you mean the LIBERAL translation. That one will come with the eight count crayon pack.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116: "The Conservative base is twice the size of the liberal base and it is growing bigger every day the Democrats push their socialist/Marxist/fascist agenda down the people's throats."
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Twice the size? And growing? Any evidence for that remarkable statement?

For your base to grow, you'd have to be attracting moderates.

Show some evidence that moderates have suddenly gotten all hyperbolic and are throwing around those breathlessly extremist words conservatives use to describe Obama.

(Evidence, as in factual -- not in your imagination or in an informal poll of your friends, relatives, and acquaintances.)

Posted by: Krisipuu | October 3, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
Twice the size? And growing? Any evidence for that remarkable statement?

For your base to grow, you'd have to be attracting moderates.
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You need to read more. Especially the Gallup web site. They did a poll that showed 40% identify themselves as conservative and only 20% as liberal. Also, all the polls are showing Independents moving to the Republicans. Lastly, Gallup did a poll in all fifty states and found the majority of people in ALL the state claim to be conservative. Yeah, that is very bad news for liberals. It also shows why liberals can't win national elections without lying about their political positions. Just like Obama did last year.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

timbo628 writes (October 2, 2009 3:54 PM:
"46 million people with no health insurance are his (Bush) legacy)"

That 46 million number is a proven myth. The 46 million number is based on data from the US Census, which isn’t all that reliable. The much more reliable Congressional Budget Office puts the number at more like 31 million. 10 million of which are illegal immigrants. The 46 million (or 31 million) number, whichever you choose to believe, is calculated by counting any American who is without insurance for any length of time during a given year. So if you’re without insurance for a couple of weeks while switching jobs, congratulations you’re one of the 46 million. 45% of America’s uninsured are only without insurance for 4 months or less. Meaning that a lot of the uninsured are either between jobs, or are former dependents transitioning to their own insurance. Many of the uninsured already have health insurance available to them through already existing government programs. The Congressional Budget Office suggests that this number is as high as 15% of the uninsured. And some 17.5 million of the uninsured are making $50,000/year or more. A full 9.1 million are making over $75,000/year.

And by the way, In 1999, the number of uninsured, it was then claimed, was 42.8 million. So how is a "45 million" uninsured Bush's legacy when it preceeded him?

Posted by: you-dont | October 3, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

MIKEJ9116 wrote; "The only ones here that think they are above it all is the liberals."
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What I meant is that libertarians think they're above both liberals and conservatives.

Posted by: Krisipuu | October 3, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

MIKEJ9116 wrote:
"This explains why they are such incompetents at running the country."
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Sheesh. We give you oxygen, and you use it hyperventilating about Obama.


Posted by: Krisipuu | October 3, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

YOU-DONT wrote:
"That 46 million number is a proven myth."
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Okey-dokey, then. Hardly anyone who really matters is uninsured.

Thanks for clarifying!

Posted by: Krisipuu | October 3, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
What I meant is that libertarians think they're above both liberals and conservatives.
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I know what you meant and it isn't true. No one is more arrogant than a liberal. Just read the responses from them here to see it is true.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
Okey-dokey, then. Hardly anyone who really matters is uninsured.
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How many insurance policies have you paid for from your own personal funds? I would wager that it is zero. You liberals are really generous with other people's money. If you want to impress me then use YOUR money to buy insurance for others. If you refuse then I don't want to listen to your whining.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

MIKEJ wrote:
(Gallup) did a poll that showed 40% identify themselves as conservative and only 20% as liberal. Also, all the polls are showing Independents moving to the Republicans.
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So, President Sarah Palin it is, then.

May I start now calling her a fascist dictator who wants to force children to worship her and Jesus equally?

May I claim she'll forcibly baptize Jewish children and have all Muslim fetuses aborted in the name of Jesus and the Founding Fathers?

May I assert that Trig was fathered by Sean Hannity?

May I spread the news that she had 39 people in Alaska murdered?

May I report that she and Todd are leaders of the Aryan Nations in Alaska?

Posted by: Krisipuu | October 3, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

MIKEJ wrote:
"You liberals are really generous with other people's money."
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Conservatives are receiving Medicare paid for with money stolen from other conservatives.

I'm shocked. Aren't you?

Posted by: Krisipuu | October 3, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
So, President Sarah Palin it is, then.
May I start now calling her a fascist dictator who wants to force children to worship her and Jesus equally? May I claim she'll forcibly baptize Jewish children and have all Muslim fetuses aborted in the name of Jesus and the Founding Fathers? May I assert that Trig was fathered by Sean Hannity? May I spread the news that she had 39 people in Alaska murdered? May I report that she and Todd are leaders of the Aryan Nations in Alaska?
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You already did so why stop if she is president? I

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Look up the terms and their historical significance and application. Socialism involves community ownership. Fascism is an entirely separate system. The two are typically mutually exclusive.

Point 2. No impingement on free speech, just on hypocrisy. I got so tired of hearing all Bush supporters call the non supporters terrorists for disagreeing and saying you have to support president. There is nothing more annoying than a hypocrite.

God I am not even politicaly in favor of Obama, I am just so annoyed by the right wing invective. Especially given the last 8 years.

The invective is stupid, no one has their facts right. I don't care which side right or left wins just for once, for once can't one person have this conversation as a conversation and quit the stupid stupid invective!

Posted by: flyersj0044 | October 3, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

And don't bother to respond to me directly. I m going to spend time with my family and not sit on here.

Posted by: flyersj0044 | October 3, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

MIKEJ wrote:
You already did so why stop if she is president?
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So, you gave me permission.

That means everything I know about Palin is true, all true. Thanks for the confirmation!

Posted by: Krisipuu | October 3, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is inbred whitetrash. Who but the same ilk supports her?

Posted by: iamerican | October 3, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
So, you gave me permission.

That means everything I know about Palin is true, all true. Thanks for the confirmation!
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You don't need my permission to say anything you want. Since when have liberals cared about the truth regarding Palin? Why should you start caring now?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: flyersj0044
And don't bother to respond to me directly. I m going to spend time with my family and not sit on here.
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I'll do whatever I like and I don't need your permission to do it. solcialism sucks the life out of people and turns them into zombies for the State that controls them. Don't believe me? Then study the history of the USSR and in specifically why they collapsed. Socialism also goes against the laws of nature. Socialism fails everywhere it is enacted as a sole political policy.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iamerican
Sarah Palin is inbred whitetrash. Who but the same ilk supports her?
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Thanks for showing typical liberal arrogance along with a good dose of stupidity.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

MIKEJ wrote:
"Since when have liberals cared about the truth regarding Palin?"
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You first, Mike.

Since when have you cared about the truth regarding Obama?

You guys are so irrational about him, you're all simple-minded bumper-sticker slogans and no substance.

"He's incompetent" and "he's a Marxist" aren't facts, they're opinions.

Posted by: Krisipuu | October 3, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

MIKEJ wrote:
"Thanks for showing typical liberal arrogance along with a good dose of stupidity."
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Said with typical conservative arrogance along with a good dose of stupidity.

Posted by: Krisipuu | October 3, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Palin is the queen of gut-level pronouncements unimpeded by thought. Though I believe her candidacy for any office would guarantee a Democratic win, I am very disturbed that anyone should consider her a serious candidate for anything above dogcatcher.

GOP supporters of Palin must be desterate for someone--anyone--to lead them to a win over the "despicable liberals." Can't they see the damage such a run would do for their party, and, God forbid, for the country, should she win?

Posted by: micost51 | October 3, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
Since when have you cared about the truth regarding Obama?
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We have nine months of Obama's record to judge him by and it isn't good for him. He said in Feb. that is the Stimulus Bill was passed ASAP the unemployment rate wouldn't go above 8%. We are at 9.8% and rising. He said he had a plan for Afghanistan last March, fired Bush's people and installed his own and today he says he is still formulating a plan while our soldiers are dying every day. Obama won't give anyone any specifics about his health care plan and the broad statements he does make are lies. He said he would raise taxes on those making less than $250k per year but he is for the Cap & Trade Bill they raises energy costs for the average family by $1,700 per year through carbon taxes.

I could go on and on. Obama is incompetent, a liar, a socialist/Marxist/fascist, tax raiser and a military bozo that is killing troops while he gets OTJ training. Obama makes Jimmy Carter look like a rocket scientist and Jesse Jackson look like the most honest man on the planet. He did this all in nine short months. I shudder to think what the next three years will bring.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
Said with typical conservative arrogance along with a good dose of stupidity.
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I see you are still showing that arrogance.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: micost51
Palin is the queen of gut-level pronouncements unimpeded by thought.
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This is really funny coming from an Obama supporter. Take away Obama's teleprompter and he is a stammering idiot.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 3, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Mikey, Mikey, Mikey . . .

OK, so you won't listen to all of those arrogant, elitist, liberal heathens who denounce Palin. Maybe you won't listen to me, just an old dude who lives in rural West Virginia (a RED state, remember, and I certainly am not among the dreaded MSM!) But apparently you won't listen to a great many Republicans as well.

Try to read THEIR lips, not mine. This isn't even about POLICY. There are PLENTY of conservatives out there who are opposed to Obama and his policies--choose one who actually KNOWS something. This is about the PRESIDENCY, about knowing enough about the world, about having a clue . . .

Still unpersuaded? Try this, then . . . Think about WINNING in 2012. If winning matters to you, then you don't want Palin. Still feeling that rage you have for all those libs who "don't get" what is happening? Well, those libs (and plenty of the rest of us as non-libs as well) will match and exceed the intensity of your feeling if Sarah Palin gets anywhere near the nomination. And she will be swept away by the intensity of that feeling while you watch.

And here's the kicker: we'll be right.

Posted by: post_reader_in_wv | October 3, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

"We have nine months of Obama's record to judge him by and it isn't good for him."
Posted by: MikeJ9116

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I've looked at a whole day of your posts to judge you by and it isn't good for you.

What I've concluded about you -- as fairly, objectively, and reasonably as you are about Obama -- is that you're an inadequately educated, isolated, angry malcontent headed for a rage-induced heart attack.

Sorry, but facts are facts.


Posted by: nparsons13 | October 4, 2009 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: nparsons13
I've looked at a whole day of your posts to judge you by and it isn't good for you.
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It must really chaff your rear that I couldn't care less about what you think about me.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 4, 2009 2:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: nparsons13
What I've concluded about you -- as fairly, objectively, and reasonably as you are about Obama -- is that you're an inadequately educated, isolated, angry malcontent headed for a rage-induced heart attack.

Sorry, but facts are facts.
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Thankfully you are not MY doctor because I would be dead from a hangnail based on your finely tuned diagnostic ability. You are wrong on every prediction about me. Then again, you ARE the typical liberal that are convinced they have all the right answers when in reality they are completely wrong. Thanks for confirming this so clearly.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 4, 2009 2:57 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: post_reader_in_wv
Mikey, Mikey, Mikey . . .
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Maybe YOU will listen to me also. I don't know if I will vote for Palin in 2012 for the Republican nominee. She hasn't EARNED my vote by a long shot. No one has. I can tell you that the person I vote for will be a true conservative and I won't care much about what their chances of winning is in the general election. McCain was about as far left as a person can be and still remain a Republican and what did that get Republicans? A big fat defeat last year. If Republicans want to win then they need to energize the conservative base in this country. Even the bulk of Independent voters identify themselves as conservatives and a conservative isn't necessarily a Republican.

I would rather loose on principal than compromise my beliefs just to win. McCain would have been a disaster too for this country, just not as big of one as Obama.

I am looking for the next Ronald Reagan to lead this country. That might be Palin and it might not. You have bought into the liberal attacks on her because you can't even give a decent reason for disliking her as a candidate. All you can do is parrot the far left liberal bloggers. I suggest YOU keep your mind open to Palin and give her the same chance as anyone else that runs. The fact is that at this stage of the 2012 elections it is too early to dismiss her as a viable candidate as it is with many, many others. If you are dismissing her now then the MSM has done a job on you like they had hoped.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 4, 2009 3:21 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: post_reader_in_wv
Mikey, Mikey, Mikey . . .
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BTW, haven't you ever thought about why the liberals spend so much effort attacking Palin? Have you REALLY thought about it? It is because they see her as a HUGE threat. Otherwise why would they spend the time and effort on her. IMO, the more I hear liberals whine and attack her the more I think she has something that needs to be considered even more. I think they are like me in that Palin just might be the next Ronald Reagan. In 1977 Reagan was vilified too by liberals as a dumb "B" movie actor that didn't have the intelligence to be president. Let alone a SUCCESSFUL president. Well we all know how that story ended and Palin's JUST MIGHT end the same.

Also, the some Republicans attack her for the same reason. They fear her too because in reality they aren't true conservatives. If she gains enough power to become president they know she won't give them a pass to continue their self serving ways. Dirty politicians reside on both sides of the isle.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 4, 2009 3:32 AM | Report abuse

A few months ago we had declared the RNC D.O.A. .. so why, now, would we worry about a catastrophe? This country was formed so that we can have widely conflicting viewpoints.. it's what sets the U.S. apart from the rest of the nations. It works.. it really does.

Posted by: newbeeboy | October 4, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"It must really chaff your rear that I couldn't care less about what you think about me."
Posted by: MikeJ9116
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If you truly couldn't care less what I think about you, you would have ignored me.

But you didn't. What a defensive mouse you are, Mike.

Even worse -- a defensive mouse who can't grasp the point I was making about the way you simplistically judge Obama.


Posted by: nparsons13 | October 4, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116 wrote: "I am looking for the next Ronald Reagan to lead this country."
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You and millions of other conservatives.

Ah, the mythical Good Old Days, where Ronald Wilson Reagan (the Messiah, the One) strode like a giant, pure and godlike.

No wonder reality enrages you.

Posted by: Krisipuu | October 4, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116,

Thank god for people like you: otherwise we Democrats might actually have a chance of losing our majorities. Keep reading (the Bible) and stay inside the box. Sarah Palin is an insult to the Republican Party. The GOP is the party of Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, and Grant.

Sarah Palin shouldn't even be president of the PTA. She is under qualified to the point where a Jay Lo candidacy would have more validity. Once again, thank you.

Posted by: johnnyneuron | October 4, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: nparsons13
If you truly couldn't care less what I think about you, you would have ignored me. But you didn't. What a defensive mouse you are, Mike.
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I respond, you reply and somehow you extract the above nonsense from the interaction? I respond to nearly everyone here and somehow you think you are special because I pay attention to you? Like a typical liberal, you think you are really special and better than others that don't agree with you.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 4, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: nparsons13
Even worse -- a defensive mouse who can't grasp the point I was making about the way you simplistically judge Obama.
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We have plenty of data to judge Obama and he is a disaster so far. Many of the people that voted for him regret their choice and won't make it again. Their correction will start in VA and NJ this year and continue through 2010 and 2012.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 4, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
Ah, the mythical Good Old Days, where Ronald Wilson Reagan (the Messiah, the One) strode like a giant, pure and godlike. No wonder reality enrages you.
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The difference between you and I is that I actually see reality and you can't. This is why the Democrats are going to see crushing defeats in the 2009, 2010 and 2012 elections.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 4, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: johnnyneuron
Thank god for people like you: otherwise we Democrats might actually have a chance of losing our majorities. Keep reading (the Bible) and stay inside the box. Sarah Palin is an insult to the Republican Party. The GOP is the party of Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, and Grant.
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Actually, the best thing the Republicans have going for them is the socialist/communist/facsist Democrats controlling Congress and the White House that can't control their addiction to spending taxpayer money and let corruption in their ranks run a muck.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 4, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Mike the word is chafe, not chaff. Get yourself a dictionary if you want to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Ex-Governor Palin won't stand up to a Republican primary. She's not got the experience or the stock of one-liners that Huckabee has. Still, if the Republican mainstream wants to close both eyes and nominate Palin as the top of the bill, I wouldn't put it past them. Check to see if there's a Cheney (Liz, Lassie, Lenny?) on the ticket and then you'll know that Palin is intended as window dressing and will spend half of her term on her "ranch" salmon hunting.

P.S. Reagan was senile.

Chris Brown in Hamburg

Posted by: chrisbrown12 | October 4, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

MIKEJ wrote:
"The difference between you and I..."
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You didn't do well in English class, did you, Mike? Sad that you're verbally handicapped that way.

Posted by: Krisipuu | October 4, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: chrisbrown12
Mike the word is chafe, not chaff. Get yourself a dictionary if you want to separate the wheat from the chaff.
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If you can't attack the message attack a typo error. What else do you have?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 4, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
You didn't do well in English class, did you, Mike? Sad that you're verbally handicapped that way.
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You didn't do well in common sense.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 4, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

How do you define genius? Getting paid $7 million dollars up front for a book about yourself. How do you define genius again? Quitting your job so the liberals and state media can’t touch you. All they have is old news. Too funny! The liberal left will always tell everyone who they are afraid of by their over the top trashing and demonizing. If Palin is as bad as you say, why worry about her? You want to talk about inexperience and incompetence. Can you say Obama?
Hey Libs, how does it feel to know you have a one term Jimmy Carter type embarrassment as president?

Posted by: steve90 | October 4, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: steve90
Hey Libs, how does it feel to know you have a one term Jimmy Carter type embarrassment as president?
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The liberals are still in the "we elected the Messiah" stage. It hasn't sunk in yet just how incompetent Obama is proving to be. Then they will enter the denial stage and the crushing defeats in the 2010 mid term elections will finally get them to the acceptance stage.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 4, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

@MikeJ9116:

You said:
"They believe socialism/Marxism/fascism is good for the USA"

Ha! Perhaps we liberals promote Socialism in certain aspects of Government like the Police, the Fire Department, Public Education, Medicare, Social Security. We liberals would like to expand socialism in this country to also cover health _insurance_ for everyone. But that is hardly Marxist or Fascist.

Marxism:
The failed experiment where everyone gives according to their ability and everyone receives according to their need... this is not what Democrats advocate. Perhaps 1% of this country believes this philosophy.

Fascism:
Ah the Authoritarian / Corporate ruled form of Government. This is what you had under George Bush. This is the patriot act. This is warrantless wire tapping. This is secret energy policy meetings at the white house. This is the politicization of the Justice Department by Karl Rove. "Free Speech Zones". "Enemy Combatants" and the removal of the rights of Habeas Corpus. This is the press writing what the White House tells them to write. This is the president insulating himself from anyone who disagreed with him. The only things that are fascist about the Obama administration are policies instituted by Bush that have not yet been reversed.

Get your story straight Mike.

Posted by: pdxgeek | October 4, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

MIKEJ wrote:

1. "You didn't do well in common sense."

and

2. "The liberals are still in the 'we elected the Messiah' stage. It hasn't sunk in yet just how incompetent Obama is proving to be."
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1. Maybe your grammar is awful, but you certainly show great skill with non sequiturs.

2. You're right. Obama's no messiah. The True Messiah coming to save humanity from Obama is Sarah Palin -- or is it Mike Huckabee, or Bobby Jindal, or Newt Gingbrich, or Ron Paul, or Jeb Bush, or Mitt Romney, or Michele Bachmann, or Tim Pawlenty?

Maybe Glenn Beck will save the day!


Posted by: Krisipuu | October 4, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
1. Maybe your grammar is awful, but you certainly show great skill with non sequiturs.
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The biggest non sequitur in this country right now is Obama.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 4, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
2. You're right. Obama's no messiah.
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Maybe you are closer to the denial stage than I thought.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 4, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pdxgeek
Ha! Perhaps we liberals promote Socialism in certain aspects of Government like the Police, the Fire Department, Public Education, Medicare, Social Security. We liberals would like to expand socialism in this country to also cover health _insurance_ for everyone. But that is hardly Marxist or Fascist.
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You might as well label the military a socialist entity using your logic. You are a fine example of the liberal mind at work. You take a basic service like police and fire service and extrapolate socialized health care as an equally good idea. You think the government is the ultimate "mother" entity when in reality it is a very poor substitute. Medicare has been a horrendous failure by any standard of measure you can use. It is bankrupt as we speak. Socialism is a failure and where it is enforced (it has to be ENFORCED to function) it stifles economic grow, creation of wealth and erodes individual freedoms.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 4, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pdxgeek
Fascism: Ah the Authoritarian / Corporate ruled form of Government. This is what you had under George Bush.
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Thanks for making my point about Obama being a fascist. You don't think the government own/controlling 2/3 of the domestic auto industry, the some of the biggest financial companies, the world's largest insurance company etc. isn't fascism? Take of those opaque glasses you are wearing and start seeing reality. Obama ins a socialist/Marxist/facsist all rolled up into one person. He is showing this to be true on a daily basis.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 4, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

"Obama ins a socialist/Marxist/facsist all rolled up into one person. He is showing this to be true on a daily basis."
Posted by: MikeJ9116

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Oh, MikeJ9116, you're so very, very wrong.

Obama is, in fact, a short, fat, bald Falangist/Zoroastrian/Jungian, all rolled up into one person.

If you don't see this reality, you're in denial, and you lack common sense.


Posted by: nparsons13 | October 4, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: nparsons13
If you don't see this reality, you're in denial, and you lack common sense.
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The reality I see is 9.8% unemployment and Obama not having a clue how to reduce it. We could have randomly picked a person from the phone book to be president and the country would be in better condition, better run and better represented abroad.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

"The reality I see is 9.8% unemployment and Obama not having a clue how to reduce it."
Posted by: MikeJ9116

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True, so true. But what do you expect from a short, fat, bald Falangist/Zoroastrian/Jungian?

By the way, good for you reading his mind!

Did he think "OMG, I have no clue!" or was it more like "I wonder if Michelle will give me a clue, because she's the brains in our devious Falangist/Zoroastrian/Jungian enterprise"?

I'm jealous -- I have never been able to do that telepathy thing you conservatives are so good at.

Did you take a course in it or something?

Posted by: nparsons13 | October 5, 2009 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is the exemplar extraordinaire of the anti-intellectual movement in America today.
She's the type of college graduate who proclaims proudly, "I learned real good in college."
By golly, you betcha.

Posted by: Bodecker | October 5, 2009 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Dear Us-People

P l e a s e make Palin a candidate and
vote for her as a president.
The whole world lacks entertainment.

Posted by: mixedbreed | October 5, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Palin offers the same appeal as Reagan, who was similarly challenged in areas important to doing the job - any job. That may hearten the hard core right but the truth is other than his popularity (which dived in his disastrous second term, then rose at the end in a case of pre-nostalgia) Reagan was the root of everything Bush II did that royally screwed up the nation and their party. This kind of politics is poison and if Palin is elected - and that's very unlikely - it means the US as a serious nation is over. Sociopath politics is a dead end, whether it wins or loses.

Posted by: jonthes | October 5, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Recently, John McCain said "his only regret in selecting the Alaska governor was that no one on the campaign predicted the ferocity of the assaults against her. “To the liberal left, particularly the feminists, she is their worst nightmare.” (Aug 1, WSJ)

The liberal assaults continue. Across the media spectrum only Obama gets more coverage than this former VP candidate. Surely, a historical record.

Palin remains EVERYTHING... liberals should love in a female politician... working-class and self-made (unlike Pelosi or Clinton), PTA Mom, small-town Mayor, former popular Governor etc.

Except Sarah Palin is gasp ! A Christian conservative ! A lady who shares the values and beliefs (limited government, low taxes, family values, free enterprise, American exceptional-ism) of heck golly gee... you betcha.. a majority of Americans !

Posted by: pvilso24 | October 5, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

As a spouse of retired military with 5 kids and a employee of the US Air Force, I still have no clue what Palin is about. To me she is still a "beauty" queen, standing on stage saying she thinks will help her win. I don't think she is a "can do" person. And what does she claim she can do???? Force the US into a religious conservative country? I think Bin Laden and Al Qaida already tried that.

Posted by: cindy77 | October 5, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

pvilso24 wrote: "Palin remains EVERYTHING... liberals should love in a female politician..."
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"Should love"? Since when?

Do you know any actual moderates and liberals?

Or do you only the know the fantasy ones described by your favorite conservative pundits?

Posted by: Krisipuu | October 5, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: nparsons13
By the way, good for you reading his mind!
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I would get nothing if I did read his mind. I read his teleprompter. It tells him what to think and say. TOTUS runs the country, not POTUS.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Bodecker
Sarah Palin is the exemplar extraordinaire of the anti-intellectual movement in America today.
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Palin's appeal is that she knows what it is like to live in the real world unlike the career politicians in Washington, DC. You are just another arrogant liberal that doesn't get it. The fact you don't means good things for Palin.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: jonthes
Palin offers the same appeal as Reagan, who was similarly challenged in areas important to doing the job - any job.
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This statement either proves you are blinded from reality by your liberal bias or just plain stupid.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: cindy77
As a spouse of retired military with 5 kids and a employee of the US Air Force, I still have no clue what Palin is about.
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Then you have a hearing disability, aren't listening to her, blinded by liberal bias and/or are just plain stupid.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116 wrote: "I would get nothing if I did read his mind. I read his teleprompter."
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There you go again with the shallow, meaningless bumper-sticker slogans.

Posted by: Krisipuu | October 5, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the compliment, Mike. Now I have a better understanding why I don't like Palin politics.

Posted by: cindy77 | October 5, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Right and then wrong. She was at the right place at the right time. Our government was corrupted and ANYONE who ran agains the established government was going to win because Alaskan's voted for ANYONE BUT who was governor at that time. TRUTH. We live it every day.

Posted by: bdayrock | October 2, 2009 3:53 PM


I agree.

And that pretty much explains Obama's and the Democrat's election wins as well.

Posted by: sbdot | October 5, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116 further wrote:
1. To Bodecker: "Palin's appeal is that she knows what it is like to live in the real world."

2. To jonthes: "This statement either proves you are blinded from reality by your liberal bias..."

3. To cindy77: "Then you (are) blinded by liberal bias..."
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Wow, MikeJ, such a ringing endorsement for Sarah Palin.

She'll get to be president for sure with you by her side, by golly!


Posted by: Krisipuu | October 5, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
There you go again with the shallow, meaningless bumper-sticker slogans.
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Even if they are true?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: cindy77
Thanks for the compliment, Mike. Now I have a better understanding why I don't like Palin politics.
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Glad i could help. No that you know your problem you can work on a solution to it.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: sbdot
I agree. And that pretty much explains Obama's and the Democrat's election wins as well.
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It will also explain their losses in 2009, 2010 and 2012.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

If Sarah Palin is elected President, how do you know she won't quit after 2 years? I think she is getting by on looks (Obama has looks but at least he has brains too). There are a lot more qualified female Republicans than Palin.

Posted by: nkwari | October 5, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
Wow, MikeJ, such a ringing endorsement for Sarah Palin.
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You must have a reading comprehension problem. Where have I said that I support Palin as the 2012 Republican nominee? I have repeatedly said she will have to earn the nomination and my support. I am defending her from the inane liberal attack machine that can't help but lie about her in a desperate attempt to tear her down. It isn't working and it only makes her stronger and more credible to a wide swath of people.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: nkwari
If Sarah Palin is elected President, how do you know she won't quit after 2 years? I think she is getting by on looks (Obama has looks but at least he has brains too). There are a lot more qualified female Republicans than Palin.
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Wow, you managed to be stupid and a sexist in one post. Way to win friends and influence people. The only brains Obama has are the ones his teleprompter gives him. He is dumb as dirt when he has to speak off the cuff. Remember Officer Gates, the Post Office, 57 states etc.? He is second only to Biden for the sheer number of gaffs. He is first in their impact because his gaffs show stupidity for the person holding the office of president.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

To cindy77 "just a beauty Queen" try reading more...

You apparently missed Palin's victory on "death panels" (metaphor for rationing). As reported in the WSJ and LA Times in August, Palin won the “death care” debate over the objections of "pulling the plug on grandma" Obama and the liberal chattering classes. As reported, a Senate Finance panel scrapped the supposedly compassionate cost-saving provision 1233 from the Senate version of the bill.

You may have missed Palin's Sept.09 detailed and sourced Facebook posting on "tort reform". An issue only trial-lawyer-loving Dems refuse to face.

You may have missed Palin's Op-ed NYT Jan. 08 on polar bears and Alaska's protection efforts.

You may have missed her July 14/09 Op-Ed in the WPost "Cap and Tax Dead End" where she argues for developing ALL energy sources in America.

You likely missed her debut speech to 70 million Americans where she spoke confidently and lambasted Obama's politics and background despite two Obama fundraisers heckling at the beginning, and despite a brief Teleprompter failure that would have paralyzed President Obama. The liberal CNN talking heads afterwards were in shock. Until finally a smiling Campbell Brown bluttered out.. "come on guys.. that was a great speech !"

You probably missed the huge enthusiastic and well-behaved crowds she attracted across America. Ah well maybe in 2012.


Posted by: pvilso24 | October 5, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116 wrote: "Even if (shallow, meaningless bumper-sticker slogans) are true?"
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Really, Mike, isn't your version of the "truth" worth the simple effort of explaining what you mean by "I read his teleprompter"?

Since all presidents have used teleprompters since they were invented, your statement was utterly meaningless.

While you're at it, you might explain why -- with historical references and definitions free of hyperbolic rhetoric --you believe Obama is a Marxist.

Unless you can do that, you might just as well be calling him a Falangist or a Reichian.

Posted by: Krisipuu | October 5, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

She just quit her governor's job after 2 years, how do you know she won't quit as President? That is not a sexist question.

Posted by: nkwari | October 5, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

More on "death panels"...

Palins “Death panel” is a metaphor.. for rationing health care.

Fact: The Congressional Budget Office has trashed Obamacare 3 times as unaffordable and unsustainable. The obvious outcome is rationing.

As reported in the WSJ and LA Times this week (Aug. 17), Palin won the “death care” debate over the objections of "pulling the plug on grandma" Obama and the liberal chattering classes.

As reported, a Senate Finance panel scrapped the supposedly compassionate cost-saving provision 1233 from the Senate version of the bill.

Why did the brilliant Obama lose the argument with the supposedly-mediocre Palin ?

Because Palin made her case that the cost-saving provision was all about health care rationing… a point acknowledged even by liberal commentators, including Slate's Mickey Kaus and the Washington Post's Charles Lane.

Palin wins… the brilliant orator Obama loses.

Palinism ? maybe a metaphor for common sense ?

Posted by: pvilso24 | October 5, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

On Palins stupidity:

True, Palin made some embarrassing gaffes during the election campaign.

She complained that we didn’t have enough “Arabic translators” in Afghanistan -- not realizing the Afghans don’t speak Arabic, but rather a variety of regional dialects, the most common of which is Pashtun.

She bragged about passing a law regulating the nuclear industry that it turned out never became a law at all.

Some days Palin said Venezuela's dictator Hugo Chavez should suffer "regional isolation" -- but then on others she’d say she supported the President meeting with Chavez.

She told one audience about recent tornados in Kansas that had killed 10,000 people. In fact, a dozen people were killed in those tornados.

She referred to the “57 states” that make up the U.S.

Speaking of her eldest daughter’s pregnancy, she said Bristol was being “punished” with a baby.

Speaking to ABCs George Stephanopoulos, she spoke of her Muslim faith before being gently corrected by George… “you meant Christian of course”

As you probably know -- or guessed by now -- none of these gaffes were uttered by Palin.

They were all made by the smartest Presidential candidate in history – the Messiah Obama !

Posted by: pvilso24 | October 5, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116 wrote: "Where have I said that I support Palin as the 2012 Republican nominee? ...I am defending her from the inane liberal attack machine that can't help but lie about her in a desperate attempt to tear her down."
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Oh, my. You didn't catch my sarcastic use of the phrase "ringing endorsement":

So, I'll rephrase: Wow, MikeJ, is this the best you can say for Sarah Palin -- that she "lives in the real world" and that those who don't like her are "blinded from reality by...liberal bias"?

Pretty weak, Mike.


Posted by: Krisipuu | October 5, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Uh, in case you didn't notice: health care is rationed by insurance companies. No, nothing is denied as long as you pay and that is no different from the current proposal. The only difference is that fewer Americans will die because of lack of health care. Geez: I have two insurances and still pay too much for care.

Posted by: cindy77 | October 5, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

But I agree on the Palin supporters: I hope she does run in 2012. It would definitely be an eyeopener.

What happens to the conservative vote with the mentality, "I could never vote for Hillary, not because she is a woman, but because I don't believe a woman should be president".

Posted by: cindy77 | October 5, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I like the idea of Palin as the GOP spokesperson. At least if we are going to listen to a blithering idiot let it be a pretty woman.

Posted by: glynnjp1 | October 5, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

This is typical Republican modus operandi. Just put an amiable but dumb person out as your front man: Reagan, Bush and Palin.

It seems to work for them.

Posted by: jjk_mack | October 5, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

jjk_mack wrote:
"This is typical Republican modus operandi. Just put an amiable but dumb person out as your front man: Reagan, Bush and Palin."
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Amiable wins every time.

But if there's brains and substance to back it up, too -- watch out. That's how Democrats captured the White House last year.


Posted by: Krisipuu | October 5, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin - didn't she go to 3 or 4 colleges? Didn't she just quit being governor in the middle of her term? She gets bored easily.

Obama was a law professor and doesn't mind mounds of tedious work.

I think Palin likes running for office more than she actually likes being a leader. She will probably get her own show on FOX.

Posted by: nkwari | October 5, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

The illiterate comments of her supporters here tell me all I need to know about Mrs. Palin, especially:

"cow-tail," "roll" model and she'd make a good "precedent."

Posted by: West3 | October 5, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Palin on polar bears? I thought she didn't want them protected. From what I understand, their "threat" protection status threatened oil exploration. I don't think this is a big seller for me. Maybe she just wants to shoot them for a head on her wall.

Posted by: cindy77 | October 5, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is going to make millions of dollars for her family fleecing the flock. The Christian right is the only niche that supports her and they are going to pony up big bucks to buy her books and hear her speak. This is the American way,and there is nothing wrong with this.
Christian evangelical pastors, some with no more than grade school educations, have been fleecing the flock for years. Sarah has every right to get part of the money from them.

She is totally unelectable, however, and would make both a terrible candidate and a terrible president. That is why I hope she runs hard for the GOP nomination, thereby guaranteeing a Democratic landslide. Sarah Palin/Carrie Prejean would be ideal, from my point of view.

Palin does not need any help from the media to sound stupid, she does this all by herself with no coaching from the media.

Posted by: LeftGuy | October 5, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Of course LeftGuy. Aren't the christian right infamous for supporting the rich lifestyles of TV evangelicals rather than providing for their own hometowns? I attended a Christian College and we were encouraged to tithe locally,provide other donations to our local neighborhoods and volunteer for our local needy. Not true for the fanatics.

Posted by: cindy77 | October 5, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I think it's plum weird how Sarah Palin's stout defenders turn themselves (and logic) inside out trying to turn her missteps into great virtues and her puzzling words and behavior into awe-inspiring moments of high intellect and True Capitalistic Patriotism -- and then in the same paragraph accuse those who've failed to be impressed by her of hero-worshipping Obama.

Posted by: Krisipuu | October 5, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
Since all presidents have used teleprompters since they were invented, your statement was utterly meaningless.
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No president other that Obama has hung on to their teleprompter like Linus does his blanket.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: nkwari
She just quit her governor's job after 2 years, how do you know she won't quit as President? That is not a sexist question.
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How do we know Obama won't quit his job like he did as a Senator?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
So, I'll rephrase: Wow, MikeJ, is this the best you can say for Sarah Palin -- that she "lives in the real world" and that those who don't like her are "blinded from reality by...liberal bias"?

Pretty weak, Mike.
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The ones that unjustly criticize her are blinded by political bias. You are in this category.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cindy77
Uh, in case you didn't notice: health care is rationed by insurance companies.
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Uh, in case you didn't know insurance companies can be sued by its customers and the Federal government can not. If you think private insurance doesn't care wait until you rely on the government for your health care.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cindy77
The only difference is that fewer Americans will die because of lack of health care.
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More Americans will die because of rationed care.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cindy77
What happens to the conservative vote with the mentality, "I could never vote for Hillary, not because she is a woman, but because I don't believe a woman should be president".
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You are obviously NOT a conservative. Therefor your comments are worthless on the topic.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: glynnjp1
I like the idea of Palin as the GOP spokesperson. At least if we are going to listen to a blithering idiot let it be a pretty woman.
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Another liberal that show they can be stupid and sexist at the same time.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jjk_mack
This is typical Republican modus operandi. Just put an amiable but dumb person out as your front man: Reagan, Bush and Palin.

It seems to work for them.
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It worked for liberals in 2008.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
But if there's brains and substance to back it up, too -- watch out. That's how Democrats captured the White House last year.
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LOL! Is this the WaPo or an SNL skit?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: West3
The illiterate comments of her supporters here tell me all I need to know about Mrs. Palin, especially:
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All you know about Palin you learned from the far left idiotic bloggers you read.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cindy77
Palin on polar bears? I thought she didn't want them protected. From what I understand, their "threat" protection status threatened oil exploration. I don't think this is a big seller for me. Maybe she just wants to shoot them for a head on her wall.
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She wasn't going to let the radical environmentalists derail alaska's economy like they have in CA. A smart move on her part and on the behalf of Alaskans.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

To the 25% of the population who love Sarah despite her obvious inadequacies (no depth on any issue, positions based on ideology with no regard for facts, no knowledge of facts to begin with), I understand. I live in Washington DC. WE have a man here named Marion Berry who has similar devotees. They will foregive him anything -- because he "sticks it to THE MAN". And Sarah is resolute and won't back down with the media. So her fans just love her. She is the "underdog". But I can't support her - not only does she burst, clueless, onto the national stage, then she RESIGNS before she even finishes one term as a Governor. Clueless and a quitter.

Posted by: humbleandfree | October 5, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: LeftGuy
Sarah Palin is going to make millions of dollars for her family fleecing the flock.
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You could substitute Obama's name in that sentence and it would be 100% true.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: LeftGuy
Palin does not need any help from the media to sound stupid, she does this all by herself with no coaching from the media.
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Ever listen to Obama without a teleprompter? He makes Palin sound like Einstein.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cindy77
Of course LeftGuy. Aren't the christian right infamous for supporting the rich lifestyles of TV evangelicals rather than providing for their own hometowns?
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Well then, how did Charlie Wrangle have a checking account that he forgot about with $250k in it? How did Jefferson have $90k of cash in his freezer? How about Conyers' wife now being a convicted felon for bribery and other crimes. What about Dodds' sweetheart mortgage? What about Obama's sweetheart home purchase deal from Rezko? I could go on and on naming corrupt Democrats.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
I think it's plum weird how Sarah Palin's stout defenders turn themselves (and logic) inside out trying to turn her missteps into great virtues
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I think it is plum disgusting how the far left liberals have to fabricate stories out of thin air in an effort to discredit a hard working, patriot, self made woman.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: humbleandfree
To the 25% of the population who love Sarah despite her obvious inadequacies
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They are not HER inadequacies. They are the ones FABRICATED from thin air by the far left bloggers that you have chosen to believe as the truth.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Thank you fair Republican commenters, for helping me understand why Sarah quit her day job. Why serve the people who elected you, when you can quit and make lots of money selling your book!! That is the Republican way -- money for me first, duty and country second.

Posted by: humbleandfree | October 5, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116, obviously you believe that spouting the same old meaningless cliches about Obama will make Sarah Palin magically appear presidential.

But don't tell only us moderates and liberals. Tell it to your fellow conservatives who think far more highly of Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Tim Pawlenty, BHobby Jindal, Jeb Bush, and Ron Paul.


Posted by: Krisipuu | October 5, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I think of no truer representative of the GOP than Sara Palin. For that reason, she must be on the 2012 ticket. And if you think Goldwater lost badly, hang on til this one...

Posted by: ScottChallenger | October 5, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: humbleandfree
Thank you fair Republican commenters, for helping me understand why Sarah quit her day job. Why serve the people who elected you, when you can quit and make lots of money selling your book!!
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... or why stay in office and go bankrupt from paying to defend herself from all the frivolous lawsuits being filed by the far left liberal fringe. Sixteen lawsuits were filed by rabid liberals and all of them didn't go anywhere.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
MikeJ9116, obviously you believe that spouting the same old meaningless cliches about Obama will make Sarah Palin magically appear presidential.
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Actually I think they make Obama look less presidential.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ScottChallenger
I think of no truer representative of the GOP than Sara Palin. For that reason, she must be on the 2012 ticket.
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What conservatives posting here have said Palin must be on the 2012 ticket? It certainly wasn't me.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Can I get all you liberals posting here to sing along..... one, two, three...

Barrack Hussein Obama,

Mmmmmm, Mmmmmmm, Mmmmmmm

Loader this time, I can't hear you!

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats can only wish for a Palin run for President. We can only hope that she gives us all a good laugh and the Republicans seal their fate as the disappearing party. Perhaps the "Tea Party" will finally knock off the GOP/Goofy Old Party once and for all time. R.I.P.

Posted by: gregsmith666 | October 5, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gregsmith666
The Democrats can only wish for a Palin run for President. We can only hope that she gives us all a good laugh and the Republicans seal their fate as the disappearing party. Perhaps the "Tea Party" will finally knock off the GOP/Goofy Old Party once and for all time. R.I.P.
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I hope all you liberals keep whistling past the political grave yard like old 666 is doing.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 5, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116, Obama won the election.

You keep on repeating the same campaign claims against Obama over and over as if somehow it'll magically make McCain-Palin win.

It won't. It's done. They lost. It's been almost a year now since the election.

Get some grief counseling already.


Posted by: Krisipuu | October 5, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krisipuu
You keep on repeating the same campaign claims against Obama over and over as if somehow it'll magically make McCain-Palin win.
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Where have I said I want Palin to win? She has to earn the nomination first. You liberals have some unnatural obsession with her. She can whip you all up into a frenzy with a Twitter tweet or Facebook post. It is comical to watch her play you like a banjo.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 6, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

There's still a republican party?

It seems to me that what we're left with is the irrelevant (20%) really loopy wingnuts - and the other 80% of the country consists of sane independents and democrats.

Posted by: notfooledbydistractions | October 6, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

"Where have I said I want Palin to win?"
Posted by: MikeJ9116
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Beats me. Didn't you want her to win in 2008?

Posted by: nparsons13 | October 6, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse


Wow MikeJ9116!

You have been posting on this one blog for four, count 'em four, days. Methinks there is more than politics afoot. By the way, your vocabulary will improve if you type with both hands.

Posted by: craigjjs | October 6, 2009 6:21 AM | Report abuse

She's a terrible candidate only because people in the media like you, Mr. Stromberg, have successfully demonized her...on very little evidence. The fact that she took on Letterman shows that she was prescient.

Any way you cut it, it's clear she had more executive experience than Obama before the last election. If she was a lightweight, Obama was a featherweight. But the media gave him a pass...not surprising.

Posted by: ttj1 | October 6, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Palin and her witless supporters are examples of why this country is lagging behind our international counterparts. Ignorance is valued over intelligence. Her supports love her because she panders to scapegoating; the divisive “us against them” rally cry; and the insecurities of the inadequate who fail or refuse to understand the world around them. Sadly, while Americans are busy soaking up the babblings of idots like Palin, Europe and the emerging countries of China, Korea, Brazil and India are steadily forging ahead.

Posted by: PostReader36 | October 6, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm amazed that an empty suit like Sarah Palin hasn't exhausted her prototypical 15 minutes of fame yet. The woman's an idiot, pure and simple. She's not fit to serve on a school board, more or less be a governor of an American state.

What I'm not surprised about is that her fans remain loyal to her. The reason for that is they're morons just like her. She caters to the low-brow Neanderthals of our great society. They flock to her like Rush Limbaugh to a bottle of OxyContin.

Posted by: owiz | October 6, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: notfooledbydistractionIt seems to me that what we're left with is the irrelevant (20%) really loopy wingnuts - and the other 80% of the country consists of sane independents and democrats.
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Are they putting LSD in the daily dose of Kool Aid you get from George Soros?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 6, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: nparsons13
Beats me. Didn't you want her to win in 2008?
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She never ran for president in 2008.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 6, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: craigjjs
You have been posting on this one blog for four, count 'em four, days. Methinks there is more than politics afoot. By the way, your vocabulary will improve if you type with both hands.
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Do you see mirages when you drive? I am part of that VAST right wing conspiracy all you liberals are paranoid about. It is so easy to goad people like you into making lame statements. I guess this explains a lot of Pelosi's rabid, whacked out comments.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 6, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PostReader36
Palin and her witless supporters.....
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Let me fix you comment for you:

"Obama and his witless supporters are examples of why this country is lagging behind our international counterparts. Ignorance is valued over intelligence. His support(er)s love her because he panders to scapegoating; the divisive “us against them” rally cry; and the insecurities of the inadequate who fail or refuse to understand the world around them. Sadly, while Americans are busy soaking up the babblings of idots like Obama, Europe and the emerging countries of China, Korea, Brazil and India are steadily forging ahead."

Let me know if I can help you out again.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 6, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: owiz
I'm amazed that an empty suit like Sarah Palin hasn't exhausted her prototypical 15 minutes of fame yet. The woman's an idiot, pure and simple. She's not fit to serve on a school board, more or less be a governor of an American state.
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If what you say is true then Obama is nothing but a vacuum. Palin as far more experience relative to being president that Obama and based on Obama's performance so far this is glaringly apparent. Obama can't make a decision to save his rear end. The latest best example is Afghanistan. The military is fed up with his indecisiveness and inability to focus on the problems. I could write a book here on all of Obama's failings and he hasn't been in office a year yet.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | October 6, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"If life is like high school..." or, if most journalists never left it. Goes a long way to explaining cable "news" (which is why I no longer have cable) - especially Contessa "no one likes the smartest kid in class (sneer!)" Brewer on MSNBC. Prom queen ditz if ever there was one.

Posted by: treetopflyer | October 8, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

MikeJ, you absolutely rock. Somehow reading your posts here makes me feel good about the future of our country. I kind of hope you are a kid for that reason-- maybe someday many of the folks on this page will be voting for you. Keep up the good work soldier!

Posted by: bixdugan | October 8, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

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