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In today's New York Times, Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine, whistling past the Democratic graveyard that will be tomorrow's election results in his state, finds a glimmer of hope: The "divide between moderate Republicans" and the party's conservatives "is going to be around for a while."

Yes it is. But is that a bad thing for Republicans?

The moderate-conservative divide in the GOP was never more evident than in 1976-1980. Ronald Reagan challenged President Gerald Ford for the nomination in 1976, conservatives knocked off Republicans in Senate primaries in 1978 in New Jersey and in 1980 in New York, and there were bitter fights on economic policy (supply-siders vs. traditionalists), social policy (pro-life/pro-choice), and foreign policy (Reaganites vs. Kissingerians). It all turned out okay in 1980 with Reagan's victory and the GOP capture of the Senate.

Now, obviously, there are times when divisions in parties can be damaging. But what's happening in the GOP right now looks to me more like healthy turmoil than destructive recklessness, more like vigorous competition than bitter fratricide. It could get out of hand. But for now, the ideas are more Reaganite than Buchananite, and the spirit more problem-solving populism than demonizing demagoguery. So interested observers should consider the possibility -- in light of tomorrow's likely election results -- that the populist energy and political debate newly evident in the GOP are signs of strength, not decline. After all, in history, internal divisions and external vigor often go together, whether in the case of religions or nation-states or political parties.

And the longer Democratic pols and liberal pundits seek faux reassurance in GOP splits rather than rethinking nanny-state liberalism, the better things will continue to get for conservatives and Republicans.

By William Kristol  | November 2, 2009; 9:35 AM ET
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Elections are a numbers game. While I realize that you feel upbeat about demeaning members of your own party this strategy tends to only work on the smaller demographics. Not a terrible game plan for slowly cherry picking your way back into congressional power.

If you have decided to give up on the presidency and try to pick low hanging fruit, I suppose then you can tout this strategy.

However, a national election is out of reach when you bash your own party members for thinking for themselves and refuse to acknowledge the middle. (See: McCain/Palin 2008 Independent votes)

I'm not impressed, nor swayed to return to the ranks. This type of exclusiveness that forces me to stand hand in hand with the fringe right is why I left in the first place.

Start working for the betterment of the American people instead of only playing tired party politics. You sir, advocate the precise opposite, and receive my disgust in return. You are no better than the democrats at sincerity or ideas. Own up.

Posted by: trident420 | November 2, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Bill you are one of the old guard elitists that the conservatives want to rid themselves of. You and Gingrich and many others within the Republican party trounced on Sarah Palin because she wasn't a part of the all knowing, country club, rich and useless members of the Republican party. Case in point: the 23rd district in New York state - Doug Hoffman. Sarah pulled the trigger, and voila, another RINO down for the count. Bill, you and the rest of your friends are going to find out just how wrong you are, and hopefully after a while you and your ilk will simply slither away.....

Posted by: candyzky | November 2, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse


Quack quack quack.

And so Kristol makes a play to be the spokesman for the conservatives?

He supposes the neocons are the power behind that throne. How long before Perle and Wolfowitz and Shulsky reappear telling us how it is.

Posted by: whistling | November 2, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Please, Bill, purge your mind of expressions like "nanny-state liberalism." The last time I checked, it was stellar Republican senators like Bill Frist coming to the diagnostic rescue of Terri Schiavo, trying to use the power of the Fed to step in and tell people how to live their lives.

And please, go on believing Republican fratricide is constructive. If I may paraphrase current GOP talking points, the last time I saw such an ideological purge was during the Maoist Cultural Revolution!! After 6 years of constant drubbing, there's really no way but up for the GOP -- Oh yeah, thanks for the hard work, Mr. Steele!!

The unfortunate problem you are overlooking, is that the GOP is rapidly becoming the party of cranky people over the age of 60 -- not a demographic one wants to base a long term electorate strategy on, dear chap.

Posted by: megman | November 2, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

@ candyzky

Bill Kristol isn't conservative enough? Newt Gingrich is a RINO?

Wow.

You must not read much of what either of those two write.

Posted by: RedTickBeer | November 2, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

It was a sign of moral superiority of the GOP when Larry Craig and Mark Foley got caught.

Posted by: Emmetrope | November 2, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

For a political party that NEEDS to broaden its appeal, it's doing quite the contrary! The GOP is maintaining its anti-minority, anti-moderate, racist viewpoint that is losing them the large portion of the African-American vote that the party got in the early '50s...and currently, the Hispanic vote! When will they ever learn??

Posted by: B767400 | November 2, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

The Dems conquered the GOP now it's dividing?

Posted by: Emmetrope | November 2, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Bill Kristol -- crack addict?

How could driving every last moderate (never mind liberal) out of the GOP lead to long-term electoral success?

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 2, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

...."healthy turmoil"
Sure, Kristol, keep telling yourself that!
As long as Republicans continue catering the 20% uneducated "true believers" and radio talk show entertainers, your once grand old party is DOOMED.

Posted by: joy2 | November 2, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Down is up.

Black is white.

Yes is no.

And Smilin' Billy Kristol (a/k/a The Joker) continues to live in Cloud Cuckoo Land.

How's that Iraq war working out for you, Billy?

Posted by: WhatHeSaid | November 2, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

In the immortal words of Ronald Reagan, "there you go again".

The real question here is why the Washington Post prints this nonsense.

Posted by: gipper01 | November 2, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

The SpinMeister Kristol weaves another knot of twisted terds.

He's been wrong almost every time.


Posted by: vigor | November 2, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

If Bill Kristol says division is good for the Republican Party, you can be sure that the reverse is true. His record is spotless, after all.

Posted by: bertram2 | November 2, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Bill Kristol continues his losing streak of being wrong every time...not just sort of wrong, but 180% wrong. It's a gift.

Posted by: donrus1 | November 2, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

As usual Mr. Kristol is so far off base it is hard to believe. His record for predictions is about as bad as anyone I know. I just think that the GOP is so out of sync with the public that any news to them is good news. With people like Palin, Rush and Beck on their side who needs enemies? Dan Hall

Posted by: danhall | November 2, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol the NeoConMen's con tricks don't work anymore.

You can only fool that declining 20% all the time.

The rest of of the country have wised up.

You remind me of the boy who cried wolf Mr. Kristol; nobody believes you any more.

Your NeoConMen are chasing real conservaties away from from the Republican party.

You remind me of the German high command before D-Day, you have started to believe your own propaganda.

What?

Did no one tell you what the consequence of following the philosphy of Leo Strauss would be?

You reap what you sow Mr. Kristol you reap what you sow.

You sowed a crop of Straussian texts, now you are lost in a field of your own lies on the verge of madness and insanity.

Posted by: walker1 | November 2, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

It's so funny. All of my really demented right-wing acquaintances are always using the term "nanny state". It's like these guys are all drones; using the same buzz-words, genuflecting at the same altars (of really questionable gods, by the way): Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck (Glenn Beck!!! Can there be a more ridiculous nut than that guy???), Michelle Malkin (what the heck is her claim to fame? other than being a smug, smarmy, ultra-right-wing enabler of the oppression of people just like her - see, also, Michael Steele) and a host of other idiots. I'm with mealy-mouthed Kristol. I wish the monolithic nature of the modern Republican party would be cracked. Unlike Mr. 100%-Wrong-All-The-Time, however, I think their lock-step approach was the only thing that kept such a crazy bunch of ideologues from utterly falling apart. Can't wait for that day to finally arrive.

Posted by: chert | November 2, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Isn't Kristol the same guy who, the night before the election, predicted that John McCain would win?

Isn't Kristol the guy who was one of the chief proponents of the Iraq War?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for balance and for putting good conservative columnists in the Post, but this guy never has any insight into anything at all. Just talking-points cheerleading.

Posted by: justin_timberwolf | November 2, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I used to think this guy was smart. "Nanny state liberalism" is not a term an intelligent writer would use.

Posted by: gtinla | November 2, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Kristol would think losing all but one seat in Congress would be a victory solong as it was the most right-wing member of the party which held the last remaining vote. The GOP is in trouble and John Boehner admitted as much on CNN. Look, I have no problem voting for the GOP or Democrats. It's just that the GOP is very much out of touch with most Americans. No one cares about abortion, gays, gays in the military or marriage issues. Move on already. We care about making intelligent decisions that benefit us-the rank and file-rather than some short lived political victory. I tink the GOP is in trouble because it can't get over Reagan and antiquated socially conservative issues. Grow up, evolve and get a new message.

Posted by: am1968 | November 2, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Billy Boy,
Such continuous idiocy, when are you going to go home and lay down? Being paid to say stupid sh-t is not helping!
B

Posted by: saabstealth | November 2, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

He is only taken seriously by his facilitator, Fred Hiatt, the worse editorial leader this paper has ever had. He insists on giving these neocon liars as much space as they need to further their useless dialogue.
Sarah Palin is taken seriously by this narrow-minded idiot!!

Posted by: rosenfan1 | November 2, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Those who listen and believe this pundit are mostly Limbaugh's ditto-heads.

Posted by: lufrank1 | November 2, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

The democrats want to repave a road to a closed factory. The republicans want to reopen the factory.

If the republicans can articulate that message and follow through on it they can retake congress and the White House by 2012.

Posted by: alstl | November 2, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

True to his long and sordid record kristol is full of cR@P.

Posted by: calif-joe | November 2, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

It came out of my mouth.
Therefore, it MUST be true.

Posted by: Tomcat3 | November 2, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Bill Kristol... spinmeister.

The further the GOP lurches to the right, the more marginalized it will be. And that is GOOD for America. Spin on Billy!

Posted by: CardFan | November 2, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

If Bill Kristol says one thing, the opposite is probably true. Why is he relevant? Whatever he says always turns out to be wrong.

Posted by: frankjomama | November 2, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

"There's this pop psychology that the Sunnis don't get along with the Shiites, and the Shiites don't get along with the Sunnis. There's almost no evidence for that."
-Bill Kristol

"You can't look at past performance as a predictor, otherwise you wouldn't be, obviously, still a pundit."
-Jon Stewart to Bill Kristol

WHY does the WaPo continue to print the endless stream of diarrhea spewing from this delusional neocon?

Posted by: cdoobs | November 2, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

There is no party divide even close to the Democrats-- The Liberal Leftist Loonies and the Blue Dogs.

Posted by: hz9604 | November 2, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"There is no party divide even close to the Democrats-- The Liberal Leftist Loonies and the Blue Dogs.

Posted by: hz9604 | November 2, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse"

Right, numbnutz. That's why you see so many third-party challenges among Democrats. Democrats have a big tent, Republicans have a fast-shrinking pup tent.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 2, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Bill Kristol, Two tiny tea-spoons are the same as the huge big Spade??? Who can believe that!!! The division in your party is not going to make a stable and strong Party!

Posted by: fridamulindayahoocouk | November 2, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Kristol continues to be spectacularly and unrelentingly wrong.

there's this gem: "...and the spirit [is] more problem-solving populism than demonizing demagoguery." Really? problem-solving populism? The GOP?

But the larger point is also completely wrong: this is not a healthy internal debate in the Republican party. This is self-immolation. The comparison to the party just before Reagan is absurd wishful thinking on Kristol's part. That was a genuine philosophical debate; this is, indeed, fratricide. And what's more, the greed-heads and jesus-people and tea-baggers are winning. And they will destroy the party utterly.

Posted by: shunt1 | November 2, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Kristol is always wrong he must be the dummest writer in history

Posted by: LDTRPT25 | November 2, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol, you are always good for a giggle. You have failed as a magazine publisher, you failed as an advisor to a failed VP, you failed to as a op ed guy at the Times, you failed as a TV commentator (FOX is the only one that will have you) and you will probably fail at the Post. God Bless.

Posted by: tarryh | November 2, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol,

What are you smoking, and where can we all find some?

One of the things that has inhibited the Democratic agenda has been its factions and overall lack of focus. In contrast, the Republican party of the 70's and 80's had what the modern GOP has lost since November 2008: focus. On the whole, they were conservative, yet pragmatic. In other worlds, there was some moderation to their political ideas. It was how Republicans remained in the oval office for 12 years. How Congress had a GOP majority for 30 years. This was what made them appealing to moderate voters.

The GOP is making a horrible move, because they are kicking out their moderates. Those moderates appeal to moderate/independent voters. These extremists are breaking the party apart, and causing a lack of focus. The GOP is losing appeal with independents. They need to regain that old pragmatic focus, and while they're at it, they may want to retract their claws and put the green-eyed monster to bed as well. They are looking more like a party of sullen teenagers, and not a party of gentlemen.

Posted by: jromaniello | November 2, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Kristol: Fair is foul, and foul is fair. I say it, therefore it is true. Besides, which will you believe, me or your own five senses and common sense?

Posted by: sim55 | November 2, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Awww all the fly off the handle libs are angry this morning. What is a matter did the article strike a nerve?

Posted by: Cryos | November 2, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats were on the decline in the late 1970s and the Republicans were primed to take over as the dominant regime. Prof. Stephen Skowronek's "The Politics Presidents Make" describes Reagan as the first president in this new dominant regime. What happened in 1976 happened in 2004. Democrats were unable to rally behind a leader at that time, so it was 4 more years of the old regime. In 2008, Democrats were finally able to rally behind someone, a new president of a new ideological regime. The durations of such regimes have typically been around 30 years, but that could change, so I won't make any predictions about how long the Dems will be the dominant regime.

However, it doesn't appear that the current Republican intraparty bickering is reminiscent of the 1976 nomination period, in that the Republicans at that time were outsiders looking in on a government dominated by a falling regime. Now it is the Republicans who are the falling regime and the Democrats who have just taken over. Republicans of 2009 are similar to Democrats of 1980 -- unable to define themselves and still bickering to determine the appropriate strategy for the party. This does not bode well for them.

Posted by: jdcollens | November 2, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

ROFLMAO at Kristol's column. To quote Bubba Clinton, "It's the economy stupid." Wonder why jobs are not being created Bill? Simple when you have two former Goldman players Geithner and Bernanke interested more in their Goldman holdings than the American public. Lehman going down, AIG bailed out without regulatory authority (states regulate insurance companies), CIT allowed to bankrupt, no TARP calls to banks that don't lend to small business and middle class, no investigation of illegal oil price fixing done by Chase and Goldman, the list goes on. Get rid of these bums and put people in charge that care like Sheila Bair.

Posted by: jameschirico | November 2, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Oh please.....

So the national leaders of the extreme right-wing fringe has driven out the locally-selected candidate, and now their candidate is BARELY ahead in a district that has been solidly Republican for around 150 years?

I'm continually amazed at the delusional hypocrisy of these ideological purists who profess to want government out of people's lives, and letting local decision makers have their say. The moment the local Republicans nominate someone who doesn't toe the line on the extremist litmus tests, they barge into a local election, ignore the local priorities they claim to care about, and criticize people who are concerned about local issues as "parochial."

To claim that the possibility of barely holding on to New York-23 is a sign of Republican strength is as delusional as the weapons of mass destruction that were supposed to be in Iraq.

Posted by: KeninBoston | November 2, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

For a political party that NEEDS to broaden its appeal, it's doing quite the contrary! The GOP is maintaining its anti-minority, anti-moderate, racist viewpoint that is losing them the large portion of the African-American vote that the party got in the early '50s...and currently, the Hispanic vote! When will they ever learn??

Posted by: B767400 | November 2, 2009 10:35 AM
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No that is a perception forwarded by democrats. You know the party following the lead of LBJ and enslaving AA and Hispanics in return for a guarantee of mediocre poverty. Pretty sad when a political party has you locked in on how to think, vote, speak and act otherwise you're a "sellout."

Looks like you bought into being a slave; congratulations just keep thinking and doing what the democratic party tells you to because of your color.

There is nothing racist about believing everyone should be judged by the same standard; its actually quite the opposite. The racist ones are the libs who think that blacks and hispanics can't compete on their merit and require special treatment.

Posted by: Cryos | November 2, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

The Republican fractures of yesteryear were ones of philosophical differences with regards to conservative principles.

Today, the divide is between those who came together during the Reagan years to cement their philosophy and those who aren't smart enough to have graduated the eighth grade, much less develop a philosophy.

No, there is no greater example of 'lay with dogs - wake with fleas' than today's GOP. It will take the better part of a decade to wipe from their shoe what they stepped in when they willingly allowed the likes of Palin, etc. on board.

Clearly, Mr. Kristol knows this. It's the only explanation for his painful reach this morning.

Posted by: mmax | November 2, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Please. The Post can do so much better then this. It is downgrading for you to keep running a pundit whose record is almost 100% wrong. Please. Change.

Posted by: Rfgannon | November 2, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

A positive comment for Hiatt on Bill Kristol, at least he is not a traitor getting paid for written garbage like Dick Cheney (Plame outing) or John Bolton (man most responsible for fooling Powell on WMDs).

Posted by: jameschirico | November 2, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Once again Mr. Kristol has misread public events, and once again he unwittingly confirms that the resurgence of moderate Democratic values in the U.S. is the only thoughtful -- and valid -- popular movement currently in play in America.

His commentary -- and the opinions of the far right -- are consistently at odds with reality. A scan of his opinion pieces over the past decade will convince any reasonably-minded person that Mr. Kristol is demonstrably delusional.

Even the NYTimes - which has its own set of problems -- had enough sense to push this master of contrivance and clouded thought from its op-ed page.

Posted by: ShutUpAlready | November 2, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Kristol reminds me of Dr. Pangloss from Voltaire's "Candide." Dr. Pangloss declared "this is the best of all possible worlds" after a natural disaster killed thousands. His rationale was that it provided a livelihood for undertakers and grave diggers.

Posted by: mtrobt | November 2, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

The REAL "Nanny State" consists of the people who:

- Tell women that they cannot have control over their own bodies.

- Tell gay people that marriage is not something for them.


In other words, the REAL "Nanny State" is the Republican party.

Posted by: frantaylor | November 2, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Bravo,
Why are the liberal pundints so quick to see this split as a benefit to the left. seems like the left wing of the democratic party hijacked it and parlayed that into the winning of the last two elections.

Seems like the country has had a taste of obama and nancy's big government and it is going to tturn a little right, if dumping a few weak kneed republicans is needed to match the schumers and franks from the left so much the better.

Posted by: TBsportsguy | November 2, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Goldwater supporters forty five years ago talked about "a choice, not an echo." We know what happened to Goldwater.

Posted by: ravitchn | November 2, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I am surprised that someone as hated as Bill Kristol continues to pontificate in this unfriendly place. He is right about one thing: many people do want a more stark choice than they are often given. When Republicans seem like moderates and Democrats seem like moderates, when both are really nothing of the sort, people get frustrated. They want a choice: between Hitler and whatever was the name of the Communist leader in 1932/33 (Thaelmann, I think). We know which side Kristol would be on, nicht wahr?

Posted by: ravitchn | November 2, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Down is up.

Up is down.

What, me worry?

Posted by: ducbil | November 2, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

The ultra-conservatives are winning the "vigorous competition" in the GOP that you describe, Billy. And, they're taking no prisoners (look at the 23rd in NY). Soon there will be no doubt that the GOP solidly, unquestioningly, unfailingly and unapologetically represents the most small-minded 15% of the American populace. Now that's a formula for success -- for the rest of us!

Posted by: tomguy1 | November 2, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

As the the NeoConMen's comments become more and more insane is the GOP on the verge of a complete breakdown?

Posted by: walker1 | November 2, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

What GOP are you talking about? The radical right wing crowd or the ones who are leaving your party in droves because the GOP has become a little cult group of haters, quitters, and liars? Now the new poll released says only 17% of Americans consider themselves republicans. I tell you folks, these Fox(no)news people really are far removed from reality. But they have one good thing going for then, a great imagination.

Posted by: kubrickstan | November 2, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

time for you to go see daddy and ronnie.

Posted by: donaldtucker | November 2, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Ha! Ha! Ha! And sh*t is gold in your delusional Neo-con world.

Posted by: Gatsby10 | November 2, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Awww Billy! You're trying to spin the death of the GOP into something grand. And yet, nobody is buying!

How stupid do you feel for helping lead the GOP charge to extinction with your boyish obsession with Sarah Palin? Pretty stupid I'll bet.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | November 2, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Bill Kristol, wrong 100% of the time...translation-Fox news host,

Posted by: kubrickstan | November 2, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Ha! Ha! Ha! In Kristol's deluded Neo-Con paradise, up is down, black is white, peace is war, and sh*t is gold.

Posted by: Gatsby10 | November 2, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I love the line: "It could get out of hand." Bill Kristol has some pundit prophecy mojo after all.

Posted by: BrawleyHall | November 2, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

RE: "And the longer Democratic pols and liberal pundits seek faux reassurance in GOP splits rather than re-thinking nanny state liberalism, the better things will continue to get for conservatives and Republicans."
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Not to worry, Bill - you may be proved right in the end, and the conservative dream for America may yet come to pass: The creation of a soulless corporate oligarchy, where 1% of the people control 75% of the wealth; minimal government oversight of environmental and safety laws; and a society based solely on dominance of the strong with no collective sense of community or moral obligation to look after the weak.

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | November 2, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I've often thought that taking a minority oganization and dividing it into pieces, particularly pieces that end up joining opposition group, is a sign of robust health.

Having one's skin turn yellow, losing lots of weight, and bleeding from all oriffices is a sign of robust health too, right billy?

Posted by: John1263 | November 2, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Remember when Margot Kidder died, and Obama flew around the world until it spun in reverse and time went backward?
Couldn't he just do that if the dems lose these elections?

Posted by: fishcrow | November 2, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Bill Kristol makes me bust a gut yet again. The man who gave the Republican party the rope to hang themselves in Sarah Palin now says the death of his party is a good thing? Ha!

Has Bill Kristol ever been right about anything? Why he still has a job is a complete mystery.

Posted by: avidgirl | November 2, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

It's difficult to imagine that anyone continues to take Kristol seriously. He's been wrong so often, on so many different things, that it is tough to remember if he's EVER been right about a policy or a political development. In a perverse way, it's encouraging that he thinks that was was once called by Bolsheviks "democratic centralism" will result in a more vibrant party rather than a balkanized, dispirited one. With him nodding in approval, we can be sure it is the exact opposite of what he believes.

Posted by: bklyndan22 | November 2, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Bill,

Were you drunk when you wrote this piece? You are the world's greatest comedian, you always try to make lemonade out of lemons. The republican lemons are sour and should be disposed of immediately.

Posted by: nowarpleez | November 2, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Yes, weeding out those who do not pass your true conservative litmus test is a sure fire way to grow in that little parallel backwards universe you inhabit.

Posted by: SarahBB | November 2, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Only in the mind of a fool...corporate and professional charity comes to mind every time I see your pathetic mug in the paper. You are lucky you live in a charitable nation.

Posted by: moemongo | November 2, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Kristol writes: "the spirit more problem-solving populism than demonizing demagoguery."

Problem-solving? From Republicans? This is a joke right? No sane person could write such a deranged and absurd sentence and expect to be taken seriously. I pray that Mr. Kristol is trying to get a job with Saturday Night Live. Otherwise, some men in white coats are in order.

Posted by: TheDukeStir1 | November 2, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

The real acheivement of the anti-choice movement is to have people refer to it as"pro-life." Everyone is for life, but that is not the political issue. the political issue is whether you think people should have a right to make life altering decisions for themselves, or whether the government should impose a specific set of religious principles that denies everyone regardless of their personal situation or beliefs the right to make decisions for themselves. Polls for 35 years show Americans are against the idea of "abortion" by about 75%, but against making it illegal by the same 75%. It is a liberty issue, not a religious issue because our government is not theocratic, desptie the best efforts of the republicon party.

Posted by: John1263 | November 2, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Bill, fratricide is quite healthy for the GOP.

Posted by: pepperjade | November 2, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party continues to purge itself of anyone who is not a far right ideologue. If Kristol thinks this is healthy he is either foolish or extremely dangerous to the well being of the party. If he wants to know where the moderates are going look to the so called Blue Dog Democrats. They are basically the Republican Party of the 1950s and 1960's. Keep up the good work Billy. with your guidance, the GOP will become a footnote in history beside the Bull Moose Party.

Posted by: jrussell1 | November 2, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

As a show of good faith our Commander & Chief should get on a transport flight if he dares and fly into Afganastan if he has the nerve and visit the troops and see what they want and what he can do for them.
To the man they would suggest keeping his word.

Posted by: rvaw120 | November 2, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"But for now, the ideas are more Reaganite than Buchananite, and the spirit more problem-solving populism than demonizing demagoguery."

The ideas? What ideas? Just one example? Please? Pretty please?

Posted by: LambVindaloo | November 2, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

As a "liberal nanny" (I'm not really, but try telling Beck) I should be happy about the WaPo keeping Kristol closer. Except that he's so apologetically dumb that I'm embarrassed for the paper.

Posted by: hector_samkow | November 2, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Kristol meth is truly a mind altering drug.

Posted by: slim2 | November 2, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Just one more example of that legendary Republican talent at "strategery". It's that kind of thinking that makes it obvious why no Republican administration has actually WON a war since 1898 (The Spanish-American War).

You just keep on fantasizing, Kristol. That's what you're good at.

Posted by: wilder5121 | November 2, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

@RedTickBeer

Yes, Gingrich is a RINO: http://anotherblackconservative.blogspot.com/2009/10/newt-gingrich-shrugs-off-conservatives.html

I guess that's the end of my Palin/Gingrich dream ticket for 2012. How about Palin/Beck? The Republican base steadily becomes more unhinged from reality.

Posted by: sjpatejak | November 2, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

As a long-time Republican, who was a staffer for a Republican congressman in the late 80's and early 90's (conservative Florida rep.), I've decided to leave the party. Not to join the Dems, who are still idiots. But given the extremist views now emanating from the GOP, and my own growth over the years, I can't stay there anymore. Congrats Kristol, hope you enjoy reaping what's being sown.

Posted by: droops63 | November 2, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Yes, and ...

up is down
Yes, Bill and

black is white

hot is cold

dittoheads actually do think for themselves.

Oh, and Sarah Palin is a polished politician not prone to gaffes and other stupidities.

Posted by: jrw1 | November 2, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Let's see: first there was Tom Toles, then there was Telnaes who are both smart and funny, their commentary exactly on-point. And now the comedy becomes a combination of irony and satire (isn't that what it is???), both, in the instant case, poorly executed. How the comparison makes the former shine so much brighter!

or maybe...

I see by the financial pages that the Post is doing better financially and it is apparent that they are now with sufficient assets to permit themselves pity contributions to itinerant street beggars with no talent save the uncanny ability to recreate a hungry and sincere look on command....kind of like a stray mutt.

Either way, WaPo...why are you taking the Times' leavings?

Posted by: BobfromLI | November 2, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Go easier on those mushrooms, bill.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | November 2, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Little Billy Kristol played a key role in foisting Sarah Palin on the GOP as a national candidate. That didn't work out very well, so now Billy is pursuing that time-honored strategy of rigid ideologues: when you're in a hole, keep digging.

Posted by: HughBriss | November 2, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

The splitting of the GOP is indeed a sign of strength, and may Kristol's theocratic neocons continue to crush all RINOs!

Posted by: lichtme | November 2, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"conservatives knocked of Republicans"

edit!

It's not the division itself that is cause for concern. It's the "our way or the highway" attitude that will damage the party.

Posted by: chrisrosica | November 2, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Kristol! I warned before you about using drugs while writing in here. You obviously did not heed my warnings.

Now, you've left me no choice but to place under citizen's arrest.

Posted by: Gladiator2008 | November 2, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

William Kristol Meth..

Posted by: Issa1 | November 2, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The reason Gov. Kaine is whistling past that graveyard is because he sees a big fat white old elephant's grave has just been dug. And the tune he is whistling is Send In The Clowns... now!

If Hoffman wins in Upstate NY, Sarah Palin the Quitter will use her poison darts even more and the elephant will die from a 1000 puffs from her tiny little blow gun.

Posted by: AverageJane | November 2, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Party purges are rarely healthy, except for the small group wanting to consolidate its power.

And it's interesting that the folks who scream the loudest about Marxism are the ones leading the charge for party purity.

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | November 2, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Nanny state liberalism? In one sneering phrase Bill puts down all of the social advances of the 20th century western world. I think the Republicans want a world that looks like Afghanistan.

Posted by: gposner | November 2, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

The FNC is about to emerge as the #2 political power in this country after living in the shadow of the RNC for so many years. Most of the FNC employees have (Kristol, Palin, Palenti, Beck, Hannity, Perry, even Rush) not only endorsed Hoffman in the NY race but activly campaigned on his behalf while only lightweights from the RNC have endorsed their own candidate, and even then had to apologize later for doing that to the FNC.

Henceforth it appears the rankings will be the Independents in first, FNC in second, and the DNC and RNC running last.

Posted by: wmboyd | November 2, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Kristol, you remind me of former Iraqi Information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf aka "Baghdad Bob", he kept spouting nonsense until the every end too.

Posted by: Roofelstoon | November 2, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

...and invading Iraq was a great idea and Sarah Palin is qualified to be president.

Billy,

It's time for you to burn in hell with your equally crazy father.

Posted by: wiatrol | November 2, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

In Kristoland, the sky is ruby red, and lemon yellow. Stupid is smart, wrong is Right....as a matter of fact he has been so wrong so long that he must be Right, right...If Kristol, and his fellow neocon nutjobs ever visit Earth(the real one)I'm sure they will run home quickly because it's nothing like they think.

Posted by: jpenergy | November 2, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

If the moron Billy actually believes this crap; you know that the republtard party is screwed.

Posted by: wiatrol | November 2, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Little Billy supports the likes of Palin, Bush, and Quayle because; when he is with them, he can finally be the smartest person in the room.

Billy,
Don't fool yourself. You will NEVER be the smartest person in the room.

Posted by: wiatrol | November 2, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Bill you are one of the old guard elitists that the conservatives want to rid themselves of. You and Gingrich and many others within the Republican party trounced on Sarah Palin because she wasn't a part of the all knowing, country club, rich and useless members of the Republican party. Case in point: the 23rd district in New York state - Doug Hoffman. Sarah pulled the trigger, and voila, another RINO down for the count. Bill, you and the rest of your friends are going to find out just how wrong you are, and hopefully after a while you and your ilk will simply slither away.....

Posted by: candyzky | November 2, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

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Well, Palin is getting rich now from her book and she is already useless, so it looks like she is ready to move from the trailer park set to the country club set. I feel your pain.

Posted by: maggots | November 2, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

The splitting of the GOP is indeed a sign of strength, and may Kristol's theocratic neocons continue to crush all RINOs!

Posted by: lichtme | November 2, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

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That's the spirit - divide and be conquered.

Posted by: maggots | November 2, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

All conservatives types are welcome in the GOP with the provision that they must be foaming at the mouth.

Posted by: Emmetrope | November 2, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I fail to see how this New York congressional race helps. First of all, it sends a clear message that, when they're picking candidates, the GOP is picking people who are farther to the right over more inoffensive (and more broadly attractive to voters) candidates. If I'm a moderate voter, that's not a good sign. Second of all, look what happened when Scozzafava left the race - she endorsed the Democratic candidate, which will throw the race into further craziness and could hurt Hoffman's chances. How is any of that a good thing? Ideological purity does not a strong party make.

Posted by: ravensfan20008 | November 2, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Bill, you are such a partisan hack! Your entire premise is based on winning elections and not on strength of ideas, governing or even has anything to do with what is good for our country. You and your friends are just power hungry at any cost, plain and simple.

Posted by: johnhodson | November 2, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Awww all the fly off the handle libs are angry this morning. What is a matter did the article strike a nerve?

Posted by: Cryos | November 2, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse
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You're a bit tone deaf. None of the liberal writers here are angry. Just bemused.

If anything proves the Washington Post has a liberal bent, it's the fact that Kristol continues to be their "conservative" voice. The only reason the Post can have for publishing him is to give everyone a good laugh.

Posted by: multiplepov | November 2, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Why is this guy given a podium to express his idiocy?

Posted by: ScamfortheRich | November 2, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Well, you can't say Bill doesn't maintain a sunny outlook. One of those guys who sees light at the end of the tunnel and just knows it's a brighter day -- instead of an oncoming train.

I'd like to meet his pharmacist.

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | November 2, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

The conservatives will end up with the majority of votes when the young and middle age will find out the hard way that left of center government at Federal or State level will not offer them a vibrant "move-up" economy and will also institute a socialist, do-nothing attitude in the marketplace. The conservatives though will have to revisit the idea of a global commerce with partners who have the maximum economic advantage through culture or manufacturing.

Posted by: HarGru | November 2, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Bill Kristol represents the real Republican Party-the Ronald Reagan conservative majority of the party.

The media, with their liberal sympathies, are always trying to convince Republicans that they should be more like the Democrats.

The Republicans should stick with Reagan's attitude and philosophy because THAT is where America lives.

Posted by: BruceMcDougall | November 2, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Wow, in an remarkable example of how wrong you are, simply look at the comment left by candyzky at 10:22 AM.

That could have been written by one of your fellow conservatives or just as easily, an opposing liberal. Both want nothing to do with you and will not ally themselves with your interests. Do you see how wrong you are?
As a liberal, I don't care what candyzky's political motives are. I agree completely and will egg on the divide. Bring on the GOP blood bath. I just hope that Democrats are smart enough to work this to their advantage.

(by the way, saying that this is all a schism in the tradition of Ronnie "speak no ill of fellow Republicans" Reagan is especially laughable. Thanks for the chuckle.)

Posted by: pezdrake | November 2, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Kristol's allusion to Tim Kaine whistling past the grave yard in what appears to be a win for the GOP candidate McDonnell who ran as moderate rather than a conservative while ignoring the potential long term impact to the GOP disaster in upstate NY on a national scale makes you wonder who’s really p^ssing in the wind.

Posted by: Citi__Street | November 2, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I always heard cops got the best weed, but Kristol must have one hell of a connection somewhere. I guess he's so tied into his Republican mythology that he doesn't realize that he is no longer useful to the "new" Republicans either.
As for the Virginia election, Creed is a weak candidate. Virginia is a traditionally red state but they will vote for a Democrat if he is strong and has good creds. Creed doesn't. And his political instincts aren't much either.

Posted by: ElectricBill | November 2, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans have to get rid of their purity litmus tests. Poor McCain had to go back on all te decency he had demonstrated over his career, to appear to be a "true" conservative.

Fundamentalist uproar over a candidate's position on an individual issue cannot drive the direction of the party. The Republican's have to say "no" to the extremists when they are wrong.

Cheney won the 2004 election for Bush when he debated Edwards, and he dismissed anti-gay sentiments. This show of compassion for his daughter put a human face on the party that the Palinistas don't have.

Posted by: MHawke | November 2, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

What a maroon... what a gullabull... Kristol, you could be the looniest tune of all. But, "Always look on the bright side of life, ta da, ta da da da da dah..."

Posted by: borntorun45 | November 2, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

. . . . and up is down, black is white, left is right, empty is full, and, of course, Kristol thinks he knows what's going on.

Nice try, Bill.

Posted by: reporter1 | November 2, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I find it incredible that liberals can with a straight face say that the republicans are destroying their own in the case of dumping Scazzofa. Vladimir Lenin could have run as a republican in NY 23. Would that really have made him a republican? The answer is yes, but only in the minds of dolts.

Posted by: tmonahan1 | November 2, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

The conservatives will end up with the majority of votes when the young and middle age will find out the hard way that left of center government at Federal or State level will not offer them a vibrant "move-up" economy and will also institute a socialist, do-nothing attitude in the marketplace....

Posted by: HarGru
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You must be referring to those socialist, do-nothing economies in Europe. No, anyone with half a brain can see the benefits of a social democratic view (hint: not even close to "socialistic") that gives Europeans a marked competitive advantage as well as a far better quality of life and infrastructure.

The only thing that keeps us returning to the old, conservative standard is not that our young are seeing the light; but the fact that they won't vote and old folks are being conscripted by Beck and Limbaugh, et. al., to vote irrational fears, e.g., their "freedoms" are being eroded.

Posted by: abqcleve | November 2, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

If every member of the Republican politician spontaneously combusted at the same moment, Kristol would find a way to put a positive spin on it.


Posted by: paul6554 | November 2, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

...destroying their own in the case of dumping Scazzofa. Vladimir Lenin could have run as a republican in NY 23. Would that really have made him a republican? The answer is yes, but only in the minds of dolts.

Posted by: tmonahan1
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Only a dolt thinks Scozzafava is Lenin. Dolts also generally spell poorly.

Posted by: abqcleve | November 2, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Only a dolt thinks Scozzafava is Lenin. Dolts also generally spell poorly.

Posted by: abqcleve | November 2, 2009 4:58 PM

I'll learn how to spell the RINO's name as soon as you learn the meaning of the word "conscripted". Is that a deal? I have news for you. Limbaugh and Beck can't conscript anyone.

Posted by: tmonahan1 | November 2, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Let me guess - you're the one Snyder and Cerrato consult before all decisions about the Redskins, right?

Stop drinking the kool-aid, Kristol.

Posted by: ScottChallenger | November 2, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

This is all great fun, rightwingnuts, but what are you feebs going to do when you have to try to win races in districts where people are educated and appreciate good dental hygiene?

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 2, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Stop drinking the kool-aid, Kristol.
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Little Billy isn't drinking the kool-aid; he's dishing it out.

Burn in Hell Billy; just like your crazy father!

Posted by: wiatrol | November 2, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

In New York, the racist teabaggers are backing the Conservative party candidate, who just kept his mouth shut about his social engineering ideas, which includes doing away with a woman's right to choose...so he's getting some votes.... but at what cost? HE DOESN'T EVEN LIVE IN THE DISTRICT!

ELEVEN county chairs selected the moderate republican - and the teabaggers rammed it down their throats... so its not even local control.

How you gonna recover from that? So now the hateful signs at the teabagging parties, and Rush Limbaugh's hatred for half the entire country is the republican party?

What thinking republican will put their family and their income on the line for a party that won't stand by them now?

17% is what they are... too rigid to rule, too slimy to stand up for all Americans.

Nothing to celebrate here.

Posted by: dutchess2 | November 2, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why the Washington Post and New York Times continue to publish William Kristol's opinions when he consistently makes untrue statements in bad conscience. Kristol stands for everything that is wrong with conservatism today.

Posted by: johnc_80 | November 2, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Please Billy! You can't be serious. Talk about delusions of grandeur.

Posted by: Sonny53 | November 2, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Kristol is a loser.

Freedom means free to fail.

Big Government Conservative = Democrat.

End the bailouts, protect the border, kill the terrorists.

Posted by: baseballguy2001 | November 2, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Any vindication or regret on this analysis will come soon with 2010 and 2012.

Posted by: NoWeCant | November 2, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Confucius say: Billy is a dumb a$$.

Posted by: wiatrol | November 2, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Readers,

Please do not worry. These are only little Billy Kristol's opinions; and, as always, they are wrong.

He'll be burning in hell soon with his equally crazy father, Irving.

Posted by: wiatrol | November 2, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Kristol: "But for now, the ideas are more Reaganite than Buchananite, and the spirit more problem-solving populism than demonizing demagoguery."

You're kidding, right?

Posted by: presto668 | November 2, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

This scum would say anything anytime. It is an affront that this man is allowed space on the front page pages of national paper..even if it is Washington Post.

Posted by: kevin1231 | November 2, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

i think as long as americans remember that 911, katrina, and the worldwide financial collapse were all catastrophic failures on the bush administration and congressional rebublican watch, we can count on a responsible Democratic century.

Posted by: silverfish1 | November 2, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

"... more Reaganite than Buchananite"???
Billy I think someone slipped some acid in your kool-aide.

These folks (yourself included) are nothing like Reagan. Now if you compared Bush and Hitler I would agree that they are nothing like Bush.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | November 2, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Oh, right. "A house divided against itself is really strong.'
Please find an intelligent Conservative or sit down with Bill and send him to a critical thinking course.
Really, this is simple pap.

Posted by: djah | November 2, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Sorry no.

Posted by: dudh | November 2, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

To Kristol it is GOOD when all the people who actually think and have common sense and have the ability to reason for themselves leave the GOP. It allows people like Kristol to retain their leadership positions. The smaller the pond, the bigger fish he is relative to it. He will be getting relatively more important for quite a while by my reckoning. He will like it.

Posted by: steveboyington | November 2, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

RIGHT!!!

And Obama lost the Presidential election of 2008...

WaPo... Have you no shame publishing such nonsense from William Kristol?

Posted by: gmoore40 | November 2, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

& in more news, down is up.

Posted by: ked22 | November 2, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

completely batsh!t crazy.

Posted by: kurthunt | November 2, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Mr Crystal yet again... is nuts...a split between old white men about who is more conservative does not a diverse party make.
Republicans deserve to stay in the back seat as the party of extremists that they are.

Posted by: dwdave67 | November 2, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Bill Kristol read that abominable novel *Love Story* at an especially crucial moment during his adolescence, and took too much to heart its saying, "Love means never having to say you're sorry."

When I see him write an article on something, anything, that bodes ill for conservatives, my ears will perk up. When I see him write an article confessing that he'd been wrong on some important matter, I'll buy one copy of one issue of the Weekly Standard.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | November 2, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Why must we have only two parties? If the GOP only wants pure conservative candidates, let's create a moderate party to help them out.

The Democrats could also easily split into two or three parties: Progressive, Liberal and Green.

The political system we have now is not working. No current party wants to compromise. If we had several parties, politicians would be forced to dialog, compromise and form coalitions in order to govern.

Posted by: alance | November 2, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Bill Kristol: Is there anyone more irrevelent in Washington DC today than this gentleman? He represents a Neanderthal era in politics. It passed. He did not notice. Grandpa - go away!
Ken Humphrey, Emerald Isle, NC.

Posted by: Iconoclast1 | November 2, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

How is it that with unemployment at its highest in 25 years, this man is still employed?

If I were as colossally wrong headed as he is in a field I claimed as my area of expertise, I'd have been fired years ago.

Why does that not rule never seem to apply in punditry land? All the while the old media types wring their hands agonizing over why newspapers are losing readership.

Posted by: hrc2211 | November 2, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

To quote "whistling" above: "Quack quack quack."

And Mr. Kristol's assertion that "the spirit [is] more problem-solving populism than demonizing demagoguery" is no more true than any other propaganda he spews out. The GOP is going all-in on lying about health care reform, claiming that there is no global climate change, and trying to tar Pres. Obama as a "marxist" etc. They're not offering any actual policies that will address America's problems.

Nor is Mr. Kristol. Instead, he's offering the same vapid opinionating, unconstrained by any desire to back up his claims with data, as usual. The "nanny-state liberalism" dig is typical of his brand of anti-intellectualism -- and unfortunately also of quite a lot of the Post's columnists.

Posted by: sembtex | November 2, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I still believe in the old saying: 'United we stand and divided we fall.' I also believe that the world is not flat.

At best, the GOP's inner turmoil allows each prominent Republican to stake out a niche in the market place. In the long run, a government can be effective if its apologists treat each other with disdain and have a sense of opposition rather than cohesion.

Posted by: robertjames1 | November 2, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Nanny-state liberalism? Indeed? I would venture to guess that Mr. Kristol would be one of the few people on the site to have actually had a nanny.

Posted by: lewfournier1 | November 2, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

The one thing we know that is dead is the GOP NeoCon platform for the last 25 years.

The Centrists are taking over, and if the NeoCon Right, and the Ultra Left don't get that, both parties will be left in the dust.

The Democrats are slowing getting that idea, the question is...

No, that's a dumb question! The NeoCons will never let go of their platform of dinosaurs.


Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere | November 2, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

to Trident420:
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Thanks for leaving!

Posted by: realitybased1 | November 3, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Formerly American17 blocked by “Big Brother”- last posting:

President Obama speaks at the Rose Garden today:
"We don't know all of the answers yet, and I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all of the facts," (really thinking: but the Army acted stupidly in trying to deploy this man who did not want to be deployed!)

Gibbs response about President Obama's visit to Fort Hood:
"the President will fit his schedule around the services the family will plan. He will attend the service for the fallen." (really thinking: are U kidding me? He has more important things to do like more arm-twisting, Chicago style, to get his health care agenda through this weekend or we're dead ducks in 2010 & 2012)

Gibbs response about the new unemployment rate:
"the 10.2% unemployment rate is not a true reflection of the economy. Look, the number of unemployed actually went down since he took office. This number reflects the accumulation & doesn't take into account the GDP of 3.5% increase." (what he's really thinking: who gives a rat's a$$ about the unemployed. As long as we get to take over health care, that's three down and one more to go. We're controlling wall street, military and now health care. Media, your're next - FCC will get ya.)


Did U hear about the office killing by Senor Jason Rodriguez- I More to come…

Posted by: american17 | November 6, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

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