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No room for reason in the GOP?

If you haven’t heard, the Republican Party of South Carolina’s Charleston County just censured the state's GOP senior senator, Lindsey Graham. Who Runs Gov’s Beth Marlowe got her hands on the text of the resolution. It condemns Graham for, among other things:

Whereas, U.S. Senators Lindsey Graham (SC) and John Kerry (MA) have called for a bipartisan bill dealing with “climate change” via a “Cap & Trade” energy bill;
Whereas, the basis of Cap & Trade – global warming caused by carbon emissions – is still in doubt as evidenced by the past decade of cooling temperatures;…
Whereas, U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham – in the name of bipartisanship – continues to weaken the Republican brand and tarnish the ideals of freedom, rule of law, and fiscal conservatism.

You know what will tarnish the Republican brand? Leaving no room in the party’s ranks for those who prefer to act on the preponderance of scientific evidence that indicates the world is slowly, but significantly, warming. One doesn’t even have to be sure about the severity or causes of global warming to support efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Think of it as insurance, if you must. Spend a small fraction of America’s GDP in case the scientific consensus is correct. Because the results have a troublingly high probability of being disastrous if we don’t and the science proves sound. But this resolution isn’t about reason. It’s about ideology. That Graham is employing the former should earn him credit, not scorn.

So should the fact that he is working with -- gasp -- Democrats as he does so -- one of the few things a prominent Republican lawmaker has done recently that dispels the argument that the GOP is just a “party of no.” For a fuller discussion of why it’s desirable to have open-minded lawmakers in both political parties, consult Ruth Marcus’s latest blog post. Or your conscience.

By Stephen Stromberg  | November 12, 2009; 4:08 PM ET
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God forbid that reasonable people should look at the evidence and try to come together to reach a sensible compromise. That type of antic will never work in today's "I'm rubber, you're glue" politics.

Posted by: js_edit | November 12, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Dear Sir; I am not certain where you have obtained your "prepoderance" of the evidence. Certainly not from Al Gore's movie "An Inconvenient Truth"? Even in England the courts have held that there are too many inaccuracies in the content to be considered valid.

Maybe it is from the "left-wing blogospher"? Either way, the SC are correct - there is not a concensus on global warming. And as I am sure your must be aware, the average temperature of the earth has been rising over the last 5 years.

Can you say "Oops, I listened to the wrong wacko?"

Posted by: Littlehands | November 12, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Whereas, the basis of Evolution – is still in doubt as evidenced by the lack of tails on white people.

We censure him for listening to the vast majority of scientists instead of the Grand Wizard of the KKK.

Keep going Republicans, political oblivion is just a bit more down the road.

Lindsey Graham is absolutely way too liberal for you nutjobs.

Posted by: thebobbob | November 12, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm conservative/libertarian, but I agree with the notion of "better safe than sorry" where global warming is concerned. Notwithstanding, Lindsey Graham might as well be a Democrat, so he's no loss to the conservative/libertarian cause.

Posted by: liam358 | November 12, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

The Neocons are trying to create a Third Party..

What will happen is that the DEMs will pick up the conservatives.

Democratic Party will eventually split up.

By that time there will be 3 parties.

The Neocon Republican Party will have enough strength to win the Presidency..

THEN all Hell will break loose..

They will make Radical Ibrihim based Religions look benovelent.

Adolph Hiter US style here we come..

ISA

Posted by: Issa1 | November 12, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

"weaken the Republican brand" . . .How did the GOP get to be so freaking funny? How does a wet noodle get weaker?

Posted by: goexplode | November 12, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

No room for reason in the GOP? I think you can read into this "No room for liberalism in the GOP".

It seems that to some only liberal thinking and ideas can be considered true, or just or right.

So no one is right, unless they are liberals.

Posted by: heathergreeneyes | November 12, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I keep waiting for a thoughtful and articulate conservative to emerge on the national scene, not because I am a conservative (I am a centrist), but because I think conservatives and, in fact, ALL of us need thoughtful conservatives to participate in and enrich our national dialogue. I guess I need not look for South Carolina to be that source of such a conservative.

And heathergreeneyes, one can say with utter certainty (and paraphrasing you) that
"it seems that to some only conservative thinking and ideas can be considered true, or just or right. So no one is right, unless they are conservatives."

I must ask, don't you see the irony of your statement??? Isn't that what the SC GOP is saying to Graham???? OY! The log in your own eye prevents you from seeing the specks in others' eyes.

Posted by: post_reader_in_wv | November 12, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse


If there is even a scintilla of evidence that Lindsey Graham is impure, he must be driven from the Republicon Tea Party!

I shall never allow my purity to be polluted by Liberals such as he!

Posted by: motorfriend | November 12, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Lindsey Graham too liberal? AAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!

Ok y'all, we've just been successfully trolled by conservos.

Posted by: washpost18 | November 12, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Graham's evolution from Clinton impeachment hatchet man to thoughtful Republican has been one of the very few bright points in that party's recent history.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | November 12, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Bipartisanship is for wusses. It's time to get back to the good old days of beating each other upside the head with canes. That's what the American people want.

Posted by: ravensfan20008 | November 12, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

The RNC Healthcare plan allows coverage for elective abortions.

There's room for reason, when they think it benefits them and only them.

Posted by: JRM2 | November 12, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

This could easily be solved by Michelle Obama. You remember...the one who as of February 2008 "Had not been proud of her country during her adult life."

Posted by: darncer | November 12, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Actually it's quite amusing; like watching a church with a congregation of ten all excommunicating each other for heresy.

Posted by: orange3 | November 12, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

It would be funny if the nation hadn't been governed the preceding eight years by people who took all of their ideological bile literally and turned it into policy. The accumulation of the damage of the Reagan and Bush and Bush years (doesn't that last seem like a nightmare you think couldn't really have happened?) is like the soot on buildings that can't be cleaned enough to remove it. Corporations so big the government insures them with taxpayers dollars which they use to buy Congressmen who vote to...

I'm grateful Obama managed to halt the Great Depression II (so far) but given history doesn't it take that kind of collapse to defeat the cement headed opponents of any progressive legislation? They will make this a zero sum world if they have to destroy it to prove it.

Posted by: jonthes | November 12, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

There's a lower altitude level of particulate matter that is providing a shading umbrella effect to the Sun's rays. The higher altitude greenhouse effect is still there. Some scientists noticed it during temperature readings on September 12, 2001 after all of the US commercial aircraft were grounded. ... Some in India noticed the lower level cooling effect over the ocean. They then studied it for a few years to confirm what they were seeing. Without this lower level of shade, they concluded that the oceans average temperature would be 1.8 to 1.9 degrees celsius warmer already.

Posted by: deepthroat21 | November 12, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Littlehands:
"Either way, the SC are correct - there is not a concensus on global warming."

Yes, there is.

"And as I am sure your must be aware, the average temperature of the earth has been rising over the last 5 years."

Glad to see you agree. :D

Posted by: presto668 | November 12, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

The GOP is now like a coyote with its leg in a trap, but instead of trying to chew off the trapped leg they are trying to chew off their head.

Posted by: notthatdum | November 13, 2009 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Cap and Trade will just continue to Kill the economy and for a HOAX. Yes, there are many scientist and Climatologists that disagree strongly with AGW and the number is growing...

Posted by: ekim53 | November 13, 2009 2:05 AM | Report abuse

Better safe than sorry? Hell Cap and Trade and other repressive mandates/taxes on energy and businesses is NOT safe and yes it's Sorry...

There is NOTHING SAFE about killing businesses and MORE JOBS (10.2 and rising) for a HOAX...

Posted by: ekim53 | November 13, 2009 2:11 AM | Report abuse

I'm conservative/libertarian, but I agree with the notion of "better safe than sorry" where global warming is concerned. Notwithstanding, Lindsey Graham might as well be a Democrat, so he's no loss to the conservative/libertarian cause.
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With all due respect; as Democrat/Libertarian, I would say modern "conservatives" are at the opposite end of the political spectrum from Libertarians!

A Libertarian would support withdrawal of all US forces from everywhere in the world; Korea, Germany, UK, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. A libertarian would support ending corporate welfare, the "War on Drugs (non-conformists). A libertarian would not tolerate government interference in personal matters such as whether or not to continue an unwanted pregnancy, or whether same-sex couples should have the same tax status as married heterosexuals have.

On the other hand, modern "conservatives" want to overturn the first amendment and establish a theocracy in the United states. They would establish a morality Gestapo to enforce their particular moral standards, such as banning the teaching of evolution in public schools and requiring creationism be taught instead, banning education past the ninth grade, and persecuting the college educated (unless they have MBAs). They would expand our military, without paying for it, in order to incite global religious war!

Science, reason, tolerance for different points of view, etc. are completely contrary to conservatism.

Posted by: risejugger | November 13, 2009 2:35 AM | Report abuse

Why is Stromberg worried about the GOP. He will never vote for one of its members. The Dem party is a collection of diverse interest groups, no clear diretion, no clear workable policies.

Posted by: EugeneBoyanton | November 13, 2009 6:15 AM | Report abuse

South Carolina hasn't really been doing well lately. The secessionist mentality from 1861 seems to still be prevalent.
This State should be ashamed of itself, no honor no decorum and not a bit of rational thought. They are the true conservatives of the South!!!! Fort Sumter rock on!!!

Posted by: rosenfan1 | November 13, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Here is a window into the thought and the people behind the purge of moderate republicans. Racist haters.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2385286/posts

Posted by: dutchess2 | November 13, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

It's simple: the GOP just doesn't get it. They're love of country rhetoric is laughable, when it's clear they've become the party of "no" just for the sake of it. And, that they don't have the guts to stand up to the far-right wing and tell them to grow-up and shut-up. Screaming what you think, doesn't make it right.

Posted by: jckdoors | November 13, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

You have got to be one heck of a loser to treat this crap as something worthy of serious discussion.

Posted by: bot_feeder | November 13, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

There may not be a political consensus on global warming, but there is clearly a scientific one. That's what matters. It's true no matter how much cherry-picking and distortion and deliberate misunderstanding the GOP does.

As for cooler temps in the last decade - it's a long-term trend, folks. December will be cooler than August was, but that doesn't shoot down the theory either. Just FYI.

Posted by: Dadrick | November 13, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"weaken the Republican brand" . . .How did the GOP get to be so freaking funny? How does a wet noodle get weaker?

Posted by: goexplode | November 12, 2009 6:19 PM
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How does a wet noodle get weaker?
Answer....By turning into a LIBERAL!

Posted by: frankn1 | November 13, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

The biggest problem with the conservatives is that they simply do not believe in the two party system. They don't believe there should even be a legitimate, loyal opposition to the fixed faith based belief system they have. They are like evangelicals. They look at opposition to the things they believe in as evil and sinful.

It wasn't always this way. But, America is in far more danger from these fanatics and zealots than they are from any foreign enemy. And somehow, some way, the republican party had better wake up to the evil, sinister forces that are now dominating their party.

Posted by: jaxas | November 13, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

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the democrap party better HOPE & PRAY the rethuglicons keep doing this kind of purity control - rigid orhodoxy testing!

otherwise they are going to be slaughtered next year and in 2012 by the cheat/lie/win at any cost fascist party who mainly created this mess -- especially if the no-jobs recovery keeps going on its current path.


because the voters won't remember the rightwingers couldn't get it done for anyone but the RICH POWERFUL SUPERWEALTHY friends of Bush Cheney for 8 years.

And Obama needs to take a big hint from the Clinton years: IT'S ~Still~ THE ECONOMY STUPID!!!!!
(and that includes healthcare for its citizens & REAL actual healthcare reform)

Unfortunately most of the democrap party elected officials are simply rethuglican lite and we the people continue to get scr3wed by BOTH GREEDY AVARICIOUS PARTIES. It's just that the republikkkans are MUCH worse.

.jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs!

Posted by: flacan | November 13, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

There are no reasoning people in the Republican party today, only the robots who believe what they are told, and the ideologues who make up facts to fit their worldview. The average Republican voter is too dumb to understand that they are voting against their own best interests. They are used and abused by the RNC, who laughs behind their back all the way to the (offshore) bank.

Posted by: Chagasman | November 16, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

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