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An ebullient Pelosi: watch out insurance companies, and Rahm is a 'softie'

A couple of hours after President Obama signed the health-care bill, an elated House Speaker Nancy Pelosi met with a group of columnists and commentators, issuing a warning to insurance companies and offering a surprising view of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel.

Asked if insurance companies might raise their rates on health coverage and blame the increases on the new health-care bill, Pelosi said that the insurance companies should be aware that they’re not “automatically included” in the new health exchanges the bill creates.

“Unless they do the right thing, they’re not going in,” she said. “They will be relinquishing the possibility of having taxpayer-subsidized consumers in the exchange,” she said.

Under the new law, the health exchanges Pelosi referred to will be created in 2014. By pulling customers together, they will give individuals and companies a better chance of bargaining when they buy health insurance. Because the exchanges are expected to serve millions of new customers, insurance companies will want to be part of them.

Pelosi spent most of the session with 13 journalists reflecting on how the health-care bill was passed. She repeatedly praised Obama for his leadership. “He’s brilliant,” she said, “and as I’ve said to you before, that saves a lot of time.”

She was also asked about Emanuel’s role in the battle for the bill. “He’s perceived as a political operative,” she said of her former House colleague. “But he’s a very serious person.” She spoke of Emanuel’s interest in the details of policy and labeled him “a patriot.” But she drew surprised and, perhaps, incredulous laughter for her next thought.

“He’s a softie, really,” she said. “I love working with him. We operate at the same pace.”

Emanuel is known for his salty language, and the speaker was asked if she spoke in ways similar to his. “No,” she replied quickly and with a smile, explaining that she was a generation older than Emanuel and that her generation had a more circumspect approach to certain words.

Asked what she made of the often vitriolic attacks on her, she replied “I couldn’t care less.”

“I’m in the arena. I’ve jumped in for the fight, if we weren’t effective, they wouldn’t be going after us.”

Unless you have any doubt, she said: “I like the fact that some of them are my opponents.”

By E.J. Dionne  | March 23, 2010; 5:06 PM ET
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How Pushing for Repeal May Hurt Republicans

A Big Reason Democrats have paid a political price for pushing health care reform, Tom Jensen notes, is that Americans wanted them to focus on jobs and economic growth.

"If the Republicans now keep health care in the spotlight by trying to repeal it, they will be the ones independents voters see as having skewed priorities and they may start to pay the price.

Yes, repeal will play well with the base. But focusing on that has a high potential to turn off independent swing voters who have been leaning toward the GOP but are sick of the health care debate and want Washington to be more focused on something else."

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Are Independents Turning from Republicans?

A new Democracy Corps poll finds Republicans may have crossed a line with independent voters.

Specifically, favorability ratings among independents for incumbent Republican members of Congress has dropped by 11 points in the last month, to just 42%. The generic congressional ballot shows Republicans dropping 12 points among independents.

Stan Greenberg: "Why? Independent voters may have been stirred by Senator Jim Bunning's one-man filibuster that stopped work sites and unemployment checks. They may have noticed the Republicans' last stand for the insurance companies, just as one of the largest insurers, WellPoint, raised its rates 39 percent."

Posted by: omaarsblade | March 23, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Asked if insurance companies might raise their rates on health coverage and blame the increases on the new health-care bill, Pelosi said that the insurance companies should be aware that they’re not “automatically included” in the new health exchanges the bill creates.

“Unless they do the right thing, they’re not going in,” she said. “They will be relinquishing the possibility of having taxpayer-subsidized consumers in the exchange,” she said.
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Will I be able to purchase insurance outside of the exchange? Or will I be forced to go against my morals and purchase products from publically subsidized companies?

Posted by: BradG | March 23, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

The Open Arrogance of Well Know Illegal Alien Employer,in her family resort hotels,
fancy cafes,and family vineyards,in her liberal San Francisco Congressional District,Hypocrit Liberal Extremist Joke of
a Pathetic Democrat Speaker Nancy Pelosi is
matched only by the Total Arrognace of her
boss,Der Leader Head Communist from Kenya,
Undocumented American President,Empty Suit,
Pathological Liar Barack Hussein Obama.

Impeach Obama and Expell Mad Madame Speaker
Nancy Pelosi from Congress! Pelosi and her
husband belong behind bars for employing
illegal aliens in all their family businesses,here and now!

And so,both Barack Hussein Obama,Botox Queen Nancy Pelosi,Sleazy Steny Hoyer,Dingy
Harry Reid and Dirty Dick Durbin all deserve to be tried for High Treason and taken out to Hanged for it! Vote all damn
Obamacare Communist Democrat Progressive
Losers and all RINOs like Amnesty John McCain out in 2010 and 2012!

Posted by: KarenKay2009 | March 23, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Most of the medical insurance "companies" are non-profit organizations. Many are sponsored by hospitals, universities, charitable institutions, and so on. More Americans get their medical care through or from these non-profit organizations than through any other means (whether government or for-profit).

When Nancy Pelosi says she's going after the insurance companies, she means she intends to crush the non-profit medical institutions under her jackboots!

Yup ~ that's what it's all about.

The Democrats figure they've found a way to tax and strip wealth from non-profit community based organizations in this country.

Watch Whitman-Walker Clinics fall under their gaze first ~ as a kind of an example to the others.

Posted by: muawiyah | March 23, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Dionne, why don't you research these stories before you barf 'em up.

Posted by: muawiyah | March 23, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is accurate in her assessment, if she were ineffective, she wouldn't be attacked. Moreover, being the first female Speaker of the House places her under more severe scrutiny. It is sexism, it is "first-ism." This president suffers from the same "first-ism." If he were an old white man, the media would not be nearly as fascinated right down to what the man eats and drinks.

Posted by: xclntcat | March 23, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi has gotten more important legislation passed through the House than almost any Speaker ever. That's her job as Speaker of the House and she is VERY good at it. I am very proud of her and very pleased with her work. Brava Madam Speaker!

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The Republicans Had a Majority in the Senate and Congress During 2001-2006 and a 8 year Republican President and Vice President.

I'm Still waiting On Republicans To FulFill their Many of their Campaign Promises, I hear them state in Election Years.
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Posted by: omaarsblade | March 24, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Hey insurance companies. I suggest that you calculate the premiums for January 2011 RIGHT NOW. It should be easy to do. Obama/Pelosi/Democrats are your new CEOs and CFOs and have turned you into a welfare agency without any underwriting necessary or caps. Just add up all the employees and their families and cover them for everything without caps and adjust slightly for a 9 month increase in actual health care costs and show Americans what their new premiums will be under your new CEO/CFO Obama/Pelosi/Democrats BEFORE THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS.
Yes, in Vice President Biden's words this calculation will show how this Big F--kin Deal of back-room Deals F--ked Americans Big time. Just do it. Give them a taste of the Cost of Obama Care, NOW.
Take out a full page AD and watch the White House start howling in protest. I think you have Free Speech finally.

Posted by: ekim53 | March 24, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

How far does someone have to go before the charges of "extortion" can be applied? Raise your rates and you probably won't get into the govt. plan?

Posted by: justmyvoice | March 24, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

While we're at it, can someone also explain to me the difference with Blagoyovich being arrested and charged with the intentions of going to sell Obama's senate seat before he even did it, yet Reid can give Nelson the cornhusker deal to get his well public no vote to become a yes vote, the Louisiana purchase to have Landrieu's no vote become a yes,hundreds of millions for public health centers to get Sanders no vote suddenly become yes ..........so here we have proven cases of vote buying yet Blago is the only one under arrest for planning on doing something yet not doing it? And please don't say this is how Washington works... so are there no legal laws in Washington but there are in Illinois and the other 49?

Posted by: justmyvoice | March 24, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

I was worried about exactly this shenanigan by the Republican-Insurance Industrial Complex, so it's good Pelosi put this shot across their bow. I hope she's serious about it, because I would not put it past the Aetnas, et al, to conspire with the GOP to try to punish the country for finally reining these mafia middleman extortionists in.

Posted by: B2O2 | March 24, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

omaarsblade - give the republicans a large majority in the house and 60 senators and then let's see what they do. everyone knows you can't accomplish much in the senate without 60 votes. So get real with the "they controlled congress for 6 years". they never had a supermajority like the democrats had.

Posted by: termiteavenger | March 24, 2010 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Commissar Pelosi has achieved a great victory for the masses by reforming a health care system in which the haves were allowed to callously deny the have nots health care by withholding far too much of their wealth.

We are now on the threshold of a great new era of justice andd equality in which everyone will be expected to do their civic duty -- or else.

Posted by: patrick3 | March 24, 2010 3:17 AM | Report abuse

Ha Ha Ha

I'm actually starting to like her.

Posted by: Thinker_ | March 24, 2010 3:19 AM | Report abuse

Pelosi is vulgar, ignorant, pathetic and thoroughly ridiculous creature.

And no, Americans' contempt for her does not prove her "effectiveness". Yes, she has pulled off a major stunt, but it's going to blow up in her face.

Posted by: thebump | March 24, 2010 3:41 AM | Report abuse

Will I be able to purchase insurance outside of the exchange? Or will I be forced to go against my morals and purchase products from publically subsidized companies?


your morals, well that is to funny, first thing republicans don't have morals. secondly, if you did you are to dumb to know what they are...morals...lmao

Posted by: davesharpe | March 24, 2010 4:44 AM | Report abuse

"By pulling customers together, they will give individuals and companies a better chance of bargaining when they buy health insurance. Because the exchanges are expected to serve millions."

With this group including people with preexisting conditions, they will be treated like toxic investments.

With the government bailout any health insurance company that has financial problems as a result of this healthcare bill?

Posted by: ahashburn | March 24, 2010 4:50 AM | Report abuse

maybe it's time for insurance companies to purge ther fringe from their ranks and to cut back in this unfriendly atmosphere...
they can't purge the currently sick, but they can get rid of the borderline sick...
also maybe it's time to raise rates...

Posted by: DwightCollins | March 24, 2010 5:12 AM | Report abuse

Now Pelosi threatens the Insurance companies the same way Hugo Chavez does in Venezuela....the Obama-Pelosi socilaist takeover of Aemrica continues...........

Posted by: Realist20 | March 24, 2010 6:02 AM | Report abuse

Honey, you don't even know the opposition to you out here. (NP has an 11% approval rating). You will.

Posted by: hz9604 | March 24, 2010 6:26 AM | Report abuse

I love Nancy Pelosi. Go, Nancy, Go. Bury those recalcitrant republicans alive.

Posted by: kenny4 | March 24, 2010 7:01 AM | Report abuse

I guess that, in order to actually live by their principles, all of the negative republican responders will be rejecting the extended health care for their kids, call the insurance companies and asked to be dropped when they're ill, reject covering any of their kids if they happen to be born with a pre-existing condition and send the insurance companies an extra 20-30% just to cover their "losses" each year. But, as Obama has repeatedly explained, if you like your insurance the way it is then you can keep it. That's sure to make it cheaper for the rest of us who've actually looked at this thing rationally. Oh, I forgot - the Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck fans don't really go in for that rationality thing. Smells too much like a commie/socialist plot to overthrow the Constitution. They might even suggest that human compassion and tolerance be restored to their Falwellian Christianity. Can't have that, now can we...

Posted by: Byrd3 | March 24, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Obama-Pelosi business model. I have a pre-existing condition. The insurance company must insure me. My premium cannot possibly equal what my condition costs. If enough people do this the insurance company cannot make a profit. The insurance company goes bankrupt. When there are no insurance companies that can stay afloat then..... THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BECOMES THE INSURANCE COMPANY. These left wing politicians have such good business sense.

Posted by: bobbo2 | March 24, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Thank God for Nancy Pelosi. She is courageous, visionary and ethical. Something you cannot say about the sleaze ball right. Call the insurance moguls out and deny them tax dollars. Absolutely. It's way past time to hold accountable an "industry" that exploits sick people in order to get rich.

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | March 24, 2010 7:23 AM | Report abuse

What's up with Obama and Pelosi always threatening Americans and their businesses? Someone told them this polls well? I think America is already tired of them. We will find out in November!

Posted by: JohnnyGee | March 24, 2010 7:34 AM | Report abuse

How many insurance companies think that taking new enrollees for life, with pre-existing conditions and no limits is a good idea?

I don't see any raised hands, Nancy.

Posted by: beebop1 | March 24, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Pelosi telegraphs her fear of the obvious: insurance companies will pass on their expenses to those paying the premiums.

As well, she knows Congress' phoney cost projections will be an early casualty.

Posted by: primegrop | March 24, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Republicans know they don't have to repeal Medicare and SS because they KNOW they'll end by themselves just like many corp pension plans. Why? Because, much like the small rumbles our economy has faced recently, they were "good time" plans/programs that foretasted good times forever and passed costs decades into the future. Well, politicians borrowed the trust funds dry, so instead of accruing money, we're paying interest, and there are fewer of us as a % of the workforce that are paying for them. The evolution of the retirement paradigm in the private sector is for companies to pay MORE into the retirement savings accounts but offer no pension plans, thus ending their relationship when they retire and putting the onus on the worker to be smart. I fully expect this to happen to Medicare and Social Security with the only program remaining being a welfare plan that only folks will go to as a last resort, as the name alone strips any dignity from it. But, if you think that's an awful way to look at it, just think of what we could have done with all that trust fund money earning 5% interest rather than having nothing and paying interest on it. Essentially, the people we're about to yank the rug from under were already living beyond their means, racking up deficits for US to pay, and if you don't realize the gov't spending trillions more than YOU pay in taxes is helping you live beyond your means, you're not very smart, or in denial. The Reckoning is neigh. Obama may be a great guy, but his term is nothing more than Jimmy Carter II.

Posted by: NovaMike | March 24, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

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But on Wednesday, only two of them -- Ben Nelson and Lincoln -- indicated they planned to vote against the Senate "fix it" bill. Nelson's home state is headquarters for Nelnet, another major lender and a big employer in the state.

"I think there are efficiencies in the private sector that you don't have in the government, but it's not going to affect my vote on reconciliation," Webb said.

Private lenders have conducted an all-out lobbying effort against the bill, arguing it would cost thousands of jobs and unnecessarily put the program in the hands of the government.

"The industry plays a role in maintaining competition and choice," said Scott Talbott, the chief lobbyist for the Financial Services Roundtable, an industry group. "If the government is the only lender, there is no choice."

Under the college lending program, financial institutions provide college loans at low interest rates, and the government guarantees the loans in the event of default and subsidizes private lenders when necessary to keep rates low.

"This is a case of corporate welfare, a giveaway to bankers and to Sallie Mae," said Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa.

Republicans portray the direct lending plan as part of a pattern of government takeovers. Citing the health care bill and the government's bailout of the financial and automobile industries, Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., said the student loan bill "is the fourth major step forward in the push to drive this country down a road towards a European-style government."

Posted by: Micholina1 | March 24, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Pelosi is the only sitting Speaker to have an approval rating in the single digits... what a joke!

Posted by: Obama_TRAITOR_in_Chief | March 24, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Dionne, claim the victory, man. We will see how well you guys manage the health care system. It's now yours - lock, stock, and barrel. Using insurance companies as the enemy is now in the past. They are merely your agents, doing the government's bidding, implementing the government's intrusion into every human orifice.

Claim the victory, man. No longer can you blame the GOP; you overcame them. You can't blame the Tea Partiers; you vilified them and sent them home to shut up. Now it's all in the democrats' hands. Show us your stuff and stop complaining. It's yours. You wanted it; you got it. Now stop crying, blaming and deflecting.

You now have the power to tax us to death, withhold medical attention when you don't think we deserve it; and you can tell us when and how to die if our "quality of life" doesn't meet your standards. And all the while sending this country down the toilet.

We'll see how wonderful Obama, Pelosi and Emanuel are at running the reform they lied and bribed to get ... with the help of Obama-Zombie, chickensh@t journalists who wouldn't dare to ask a question not approved by the white house.

Biden put it right: this is a big effin deal! ...Democrats effin everyone in sight.

Claim the victory, Dionne, it's all yours.


Posted by: jpfann | March 24, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

I have to admit, I have never really liked Nancy Pelosi, nor even respected her very much. In part, I blamed her for not pushing for a bipartisan effort. All that has changed and now I realize that the GOP never really wanted any bipartisanship whatsoever. I also discovered that of all the Democrats in Congress she has the biggest set. Last week, if asked, I would've said, let's get rid of her as the leader today I would say she is one of the best Leaders we have had for that. We are going through. the United States has a policy not to negotiate with terrorists. And when it comes to American values, the Constitution, racial harmony and the health and well-being of the American people. The GOP and the tea party act like the political wing of a terror organization.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | March 24, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I guess some of you have to knee jerk attack Nancy the way that I have to knee jerk attack racist confederate state supporters. Women, blacks and dogs (not necessarily in that order) are beneath your contempt. As my dad says, "we send you to school and you chew the covers off the books". Smart, humm?

Aren't some of you the same people who support pro-life wars of choice? Aren't some of you the same people who support insurance racketeers over the elderly and infants? Aren't some of you the same people who support the rich first instead of the middle class? Smart.

Posted by: citizen625 | March 24, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Oh boy, this sounds serious: threatening insurance companies with sanctions that wouldn't even happen for four years.
Yet another round of good cop/bad cop play acting between the dem leadership and the insurers.
As long as the health industry funds the dem leadership--$20 million to the Obama campaign, $3 million to Max Baucus--nothing is going to change.
Well one thing will: premium rates surging higher.

Posted by: mtpeaks | March 24, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

How naive is Nancy?

All the insurance companies have to do to get around this is to ALL raise their rates. Kinda like they all do now.

Posted by: solsticebelle | March 24, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

When most of us who are not protected by union contracts get dumped into the new healthcare insurance exchanges, won't we suddenly find ourselves paying 100 percent of the cost of our health care premiums? At least those of us with a combined family income greater than $88,000 will (which amoluints to two solidly middle-class people each earning $44,000) ... thus, the healthcare premiums of many Americans (whose premiums previously were shared with their employers) will now double or even triple ... perhaps THAT is how this bill expects to hold down healthcare costs: once we've paid for our new "right" to healthcare we won't have enough money left to actually afford to go to the doctor ...

Posted by: ToughChoices | March 24, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

That sickens me that every time a politician thinks that their idea is the best, the other side is viewed as unpatriotic.

Republicans did it when people argued against the war in Iraq, and Democrats are doing the same thing if you are against health care reform. Democracy is about saying and thinking whatever you want without having to be labeled anti-American as soon as you are against the opinion of the powerful one.

Pelosi should stop with her rhetoric that people are anti-patriotic because they didn't agree with the health care reform.

Posted by: trumeau | March 24, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Yeah right Nancy. In case you forgot, the insurance companies own you and the rest of the jerk politicians. So warn away baby but there ain't a thing you can do about it. TFL, Ken

Posted by: kentigereyes | March 24, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Of course the insurance companies are going to raise their rates substantially. Even after doing this, they will still be allowed to bargain for the exchanges. I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised either to find that the insurance companies collude to fix rates especially now that they must all offer more or less the same product to the exchanges.

Still, it's a good thing to require everybody to have health insurance from one source or another, even if it costs more for the people WHO ALREADY HAVE INSURANCE.

Posted by: JoStalin | March 24, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I have 2 pals, both small businessmen, who just received notice of health insurance rate hikes. One got a 21% hike, the other 27%. Different companies.

This is the backwash of a 4 year plan in HCR. Just like the banks jacking credit card interest rates before new regs set in.

Look for thousands of small businesses to eliminate health care benefits altogether over the next 4 years. Pelosi's warning to the ins.cos. is meaningless when they'll all be doing it.

Posted by: bandcyuk | March 24, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

BradG: Yes. You will be able to purchase insurance anywhere that you want. The point of the exchanges is to create a bulk purchasing advantage for consumers such as yourself. You're always free to go it alone, and if you can find a cheaper rate, kudos to you. Most of us would hope that those citizens such as yourself who express a core American principal like ingenuity in the pursuit of cost effective health care, would help your nation by sharing your experience and helping to create a more efficient, and free system.

Posted by: hiberniantears | March 24, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

@ BradG: Corn growers receive subsidies this country? How's eating corn or buying a product that has corn syrup or powder working for your morals? Just fine, I presume.

Posted by: ambrishrk | March 24, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

@ bandcyuk: insurance companies can raise their rates now and risk losing the already shrinking base of policy holders. at some point in the next few years, their decisions will come back to haunt them.

this reform bill addresses both sides of the responsibility and rights equation: if you think you have a right to good quality, affordable health care, then you must take on the responsibility of getting insured, even if you are healthy. actually, especially if you are healthy.

try buying insurance from Geico RIGHT AFTER you get into an accident and think about what it means to have the government MAKE IT ILLEGAL for insurance companies to deny coverage on the basis of a pre-existing condition (like a recent car accident, for example).

Posted by: ambrishrk | March 24, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

@ everyone: i've come to think of the opposition to the recently passed health care reform bill as people who are 1 major illness or accident (heaven forbid) away from changing their stance. let's see you make it through your youth, working years, retirement and old age without help from the federal, state government. there is a slippery slope for the conservative, less government, more privatization argument people: BlackWater, the world's largest private army. if that's your idea of a well run privatized service to US citizens, a lot of whom give up other careers to serve in the armed forces for a fraction of what the private contractors make for doing the exact same thing, then it's easy to see why none of this even makes sense to you.

think of your life and that of your parents if we didn't have social security or medicare or medicaid or unemployment insurance today. that's social engineering too, you know.

Posted by: ambrishrk | March 24, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

@ everyone: i've come to think of the opposition to the recently passed health care reform bill as people who are 1 major illness or accident (heaven forbid) away from changing their stance. let's see you make it through your youth, working years, retirement and old age without help from the federal, state government. there is a slippery slope for the conservative, less government, more privatization argument people: BlackWater, the world's largest private army. if that's your idea of a well run privatized service to US citizens, a lot of whom give up other careers to serve in the armed forces for a fraction of what the private contractors make for doing the exact same thing, then it's easy to see why none of this even makes sense to you.

think of your life and that of your parents if we didn't have social security or medicare or medicaid or unemployment insurance today. that's social engineering too, you know.

Posted by: ambrishrk | March 24, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

The executives would love to see their parent banned so they can retire and form their own companies and buy reinsurance and skim the profits 100% into their private accounts.

Newcomers to the exchange without a reputation will attract only the healthy interested in a deal.

Posted by: brian308griffin | March 24, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

My good opinion of Nancy Pelosi grows daily.

Posted by: joebanks | March 24, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I, for one, would GLADY pay more in taxes if that means that when my time comes, someone is there for me when I need it. Maybe this is not complete answer, but it is a step in the right direction. For those of you clowns who keep crying about your rights, lemme ask you this. You do realize that your local policve dept. infringes on your "rights" every day, using spped traps, cameras, etc....but you don't cry about it? Why not? you are still giving your money to the "man"...so why not try to do some good with it? I laugh at the 20 somethings who say, "im healthy, dont need insurance" what happens if they get hit by a car? who pays for it now? YOU DO!!! As someone who has watched a family memeber BEG for help once diagnosed with cancer, it is not pretty. You get Cancer, you dont work. you dont work, no bennys. Social Sec. gave her the run around, medicaid said get lost as well. Even VA said "adios" as well (she was in the navy)So according to you clowns, she should be left in the street? I hope it happens to you. I bet you clowns will be the first in line for this "entitlement" should you get a life threatening disease.

Posted by: rayman9201 | March 24, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi is wonderful -- she has pulled off what no other Speaker ever has.

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Posted by: DCNative69 | March 24, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

ambrishrk: As someone who worked hard in school, went to college, got a good job, and has been paying into my healthcare premiums for the past 27 years (including COBRA when I was between jobs), I am among the 85 percent of Americans who are basically happy with my current healthcare coverage and the 50+ percent who oppose this so-called reform. Again, I fully expect my personal premiums to skyrocket--double or even triple--once my employer dumps me into the exchanges ... I really don't see how I will be able to afford an extra $5,000 to $10,000 annually in premiums ... plus it absolutely kills any chance of saving for retirement, for my kids' college expenses, etc. .... so please tell me how this benefits me and my family and why I shouldn't be working, hoping, and praying for the Supreme Court to strike it down on the indiviudal mandate or for Republicans to gain enough seats (eventually the presidency) to repeal this fiscal and medical insanity?

Posted by: ToughChoices | March 24, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse


I think the independents plan a house cleaning in 2010-2012. The dumb butt Repubs think they are immune, They aren't. The only thing the have going is that their numbers are so few. We're tired of both Party partisanship.

Posted by: bnw173 | March 24, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

You think Insurance companies are afraid of a woman who has a 10 percent favorability rating? She is a dunce -- a botoxed smiling zombie and member of the Obama cult. They will transfer your money to every illegal and every lazy person in America and then say they know what is good for us . Stick a fork in her she is done. WE r sick of these legislators who promote welfare for life while we pay for it and they are immune from it.

Posted by: JUNGLEJIM123 | March 24, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

DCNative69 should be in the shoes of ToughChoices. I imagine that Pelosi's family are happy when she stays in Washington. Can you imagine her being your wife, mother or grandmother? I'm sure they love her but probably find her a little intolerable when she starts ordering everyone around. Do you think she knows or even cares how we are going to loose so many good physicians due to this bill? We hardly have enough now. But I am sure that is the last thing on her mind. She is going to be bragging on herself from now on. I hope her constituents vote her out. I wonder with all the grandchildren she has if she isn't concerned about their future. Who knows or really cares. They just gave Obama control of 1/6 of the economy & since he is planning take over of insurance companies & taking over college loans & take them away from the private sector, he is testing the waters to see how much further he can go. It's a Wonderful Life may be long lost.

Posted by: egw7777 | March 24, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Control of the banks, the insurance companies, the auto companies, the military and soon the food we eat, the products we buy, the salary they grant us, .... Did we wake up in 1984 or Animal Farm? I am so glad that everyone knows better how to spend "my" money and treat "my" body than I. What would "I" do without them telling "me" how to do everything all the time?

Posted by: KDSmallJr | March 24, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Geez when will we finally rid ourselves, of the San Francisco Sea-Hag.

Posted by: dashriprock | March 24, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Asked if insurance companies might raise their rates on health coverage and blame the increases on the new health-care bill, Pelosi said that the insurance companies should be aware that they’re not “automatically included” in the new health exchanges the bill creates.

“Unless they do the right thing, they’re not going in,” she said. “They will be relinquishing the possibility of having taxpayer-subsidized consumers in the exchange,” she said.
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Will I be able to purchase insurance outside of the exchange? Or will I be forced to go against my morals and purchase products from publically subsidized companies?

Posted by: BradG

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Of course you will. Private insurers will trip all over themselves to sell you insurance based on your own ideology rather than spread the risk among millions of other participants in your state. Be prepared to negotiate your rates yourself based on your pioneer go it alone credentials. You'll need a second job to pay for your care.

If you mean that you want to purchase health care right now from a company that receives NO SUBSIDIES from the gov't then you can't even do that now. Look into what programs your current insurer participates in and you'll see some sort of funding coming to them already.

Posted by: theobserver4 | March 24, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Is it sexism that the speaker of the house gets so much grief. Only democrats would know about sexism, it didn't stop their sexist treatment of Hilary Clinton, when she was running against their super hero.

What is funny is the democrats call this a win, and a great F-in day for the WH. Hahaha. Only idiots would not realize they just gave business back to those terrible capitalistic insurance companies.Hhaahahaha. What is even funnier is any one could have purchased insurance without all this garb the head turkies strutted through congress. And a lot cheaper than the tax burden you are going to pay for now to insure. Was it really for those uninsured who are dieing at alarming rates. Well they may still die since they won't be covered for a while. How truly caring the hill is. The children in this state have been covered for years through HoosierHealthwise. What a no brainer to include that immediately when the states already subsidize it. And even if parents are too dumb to ask for it, most of the hospitals here offer non-insured health care, where you may pay 5 or 10 dollars for emergency services. Egads, and we need this total diversion of revenue stream, for what? Lining the pockets of government bureaucracy as usual. I was unemployed for quite some time and bought insurance for no more than it would have cost me to have it pulled from my paycheck. In fact it was cheaper. Some companies I have worked for, if you brought them your bill they would pay for your medical services, instead of buying a hugh care plan when they were not in the position to afford it. Egads, how can the general public be so dumb and really think they got something out of this other than a real screwing without vaseline? Anyone could and still can buy insurance, even drug dealers can put aside some illegal cash to buy it, no one before now would have checked it out if they worked for a while at the local grocery, until it was approved. Now, I like many of the others I talk to thank Obama profusely for the IRS involvement, because anyone who wants to get rid of their unemployed drug pushing, hobag selling neighbors, can just pick up the phone and call the IRS. Better yet lets see how they are covered with no questions asked about the source of their revenue. Hahahaha. What a bunch of idiots!

Posted by: hoosierlatina | March 24, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

maybe it's time for insurance companies to purge ther fringe from their ranks and to cut back in this unfriendly atmosphere...
they can't purge the currently sick, but they can get rid of the borderline sick...
also maybe it's time to raise rates...

Posted by: DwightCollins

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Awesome a conservative advocate for Single Payer!!! This is exactly what will happen it the companies try to retaliate. Insurance Companies do not provide health care but they can help negotiate costs down with their mass numbers of premium subscribers. If they choose not to behave in their paying customers interest the state exchanges will gobble up those payments and eventually agree with other states to pool their numbers.

If the companies want to remain relevant in 5 years they're going to have to start carrying out their reason for existence rather than focusing on dividends and outrageous salaries for throwing subscribers off of coverage.

Posted by: theobserver4 | March 24, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Dionne the DIMWIT

The Post should pay for his drivel commensurate with the popularity of his hero, Pelosi.

Posted by: hungrypirana | March 24, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I am actually glad to read the ignorant rants of the Beckian teabaggers as posted here because it makes me smile to think of how embarrassed they are going to be when they ultimately realize that this God-given health reform is going to save their bacon when they fall victim to the woes of the poor people they are now villifying. I know some of these teapeople who are slinging insults and threats and hatred at their betters. They are not stupid nor are they evil; they are poor uneducated sheep being led around by the rings in their noses with the chains being yanked by the Fox Spews conscience-free hate spouters. The only evidence of stupidity shown by these unfortunates is their gullibility in being taken in by the likes of Hannity, LimpPaw, Beck and Bachmann. But the saddest part of this whole tragi-comic opera is the role being paid by our elected Republicans who piously decry hate speech but stand in the wings and cheer the ranters on. What incredible hypocrisy, practiced in lock step now by the entire Republican congressional phalanx. Shame!

Posted by: HotDem | March 24, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Hot Dem sounds like You are hateful, are you one of the CNN Obamite, groupies too. or are you just one of the DSA members, who say down with capitalism? Nevermind that your fearless leader is diverting capatal directly to the WH. Isn't he such a Capitalist?

Posted by: hoosierlatina | March 24, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Of course rates will go up. Government red tape will see to that. Wait till you call them with a question and they tell you "We're waiting for the government to get back to us on that"

Posted by: FLvet | March 24, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

FLvet, that is what the Dems are known for "increase and excess." Tax and spend, Tax and spend. Same old game. Never will changes. I am sure at the first opportunity they will give themselves raises, and increase their BlueBlood bennies, soon. That gavel Pillcrazy was carrying reminds me of the hammer on the communist flag. Seems fitting in her dictatorial role.

Posted by: hoosierlatina | March 24, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"... they never had a supermajority like the democrats had."

Well, termiteavenger, they didn't need one. It seems that the Republican majority during the Bush administration was most happy to use reconcilliation to pass their most "principled" policy initiatives: perpetual tax cuts for the top 1% of wealth-holding Americans.

I could take a big leap here and assume that if you're on the blogs railing against the Obama admin., then you're probably not one of those Americans in the top 1% who've benefitted from the most agregious scheme of wealth re-distribution in the history of the nation. You're railing against the wrong folks, my friend.

If you want to point a finger, aim it at the good ol' boys who gutted Glass-Steagal (on Clinton's watch) and then looked the other way as criminals in the financial sector destroyed more wealth in the pursuit of greed than has every been witnessed.

While a Republican majority sat idlely by.

Posted by: hardrain | March 24, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Housing market is down, but all those people who lose their homes will have healthcare. No job, but they will be health on the street. It took a year for the democrats to pass something, because of their own infighting, and the only jobs they have created so far are jobs for the IRS, and the inurance companies. How smart.

Posted by: hoosierlatina | March 24, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Nanny State Pelosi - The grand madam of today's NeoCom Statist Destuctionist Party.

Posted by: leapin | March 24, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Hardrain, who does one explain that the Obama administrations is the biggest employer of Freddie and Fannie top execs like Rahm? And the gutting may have taken place under the Bush Administrations, but oh Barney sat of the oversight board, whose hands are really dirty? Oh and lets not forget Dodd who is trying to lay low.

Posted by: hoosierlatina | March 24, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

To put things in perspective for those republicans who opposed this bill.

Every person who died because the republican party has been opposed to healthcare for the last 50 years must number in the millions. Every sick person who couldn't get help was tortured, mentally and physically. The republican party have committed acts of torture genocide and, yes I'm going to say it, TERRORISM on Americans.

They have killed innocent civilians for what they believed - this is I think the definition of a terrorist.

George Bush should have invaded himself, not Iraq.

Posted by: 7eddy | March 24, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

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