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'Baby Killer' shouter should identify himself

A Republican member of Congress shouted "baby killer" at Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) as he spoke on the House floor yesterday. We don't know who he is. Rick Klein of ABC News just tweeted, "seems like there's a code that members aren't breaking in not ID'ing utterer." As if to prove the point, Rep. David Obey (D-Wisc.), who was presiding over the chamber, won't say who it is. According to the Huffington Post, he said, "Members have a right to make an idiot of themselves once without being exposed." I totally disagree. By not exposing him, Obey is showering respect on someone who doesn't deserve it.

This member of Congress brought a thuggishness to the chamber that should have been left outside with the rowdy protesters milling about the Capitol grounds all weekend. If this member of Congress feels so strongly about his anti-abortion views, then he should have the courage to identify himself.

By Jonathan Capehart  | March 22, 2010; 11:45 AM ET
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Ab-so-f*&(-lutely!!!!

Posted by: arnittalawson | March 22, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Ab-so-f*&(-lutely!!!!

Posted by: arnittalawson | March 22, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Cause Stupak declared a reversal,
A teabagger shouting a curse'll
Hide out till a grownup
Will finally own up
That coverage ain't universal.

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Posted by: jd121 | March 22, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I hear he was wearing a bed sheet and a white traffic cone.

Posted by: apspa1 | March 22, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

i think the most disturbing thing about this incident is how it was said, it wasn't shouted as Wilson did with "you lie," on YouTube, it seems to just kind of roll out there like he was ordering pizza.

Posted by: rufkd | March 22, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I agree. If it's worth yelling outloud, it's worth owning up to it. People tend to call "names" when they have no better argument. I am also very proud of Mr. Stupak for handling it the way he did, feeling as he does. I have always felt that the people who feel so strongly about anti-choice live a secluded life, and really have no idea what happens to these children once they are born and are now no longer babies, hence no longer worth worrying about. Adults are people too.

Posted by: julieforBarack | March 22, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Members of Congress making statements during an open session of Congress should not be allowed to do so anonymously, especially when those statements are insulting to another member. Period.

Posted by: Ralphinjersey | March 22, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

don't throw stones and hide your hand

Posted by: csobande | March 22, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Man enough to shout it - claim it.

Posted by: rlj1 | March 22, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Reminds me of that comedian that says: here's your sign. Just wear it: WE HATE WOMEN.

Posted by: bkru | March 22, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

It was I!

Posted by: Dutra1 | March 22, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to Washington. It's not the crime, it's the cover-up.

Mr. Loudmouth Congressman, had you owned up at the time, there would be 48 hours of media rant and rave about what you said, you'd have to partially apologize ("I'm sorry there were baby killers nearby who heard what I said"), and your base would rally to your cause. You'd probably even get a spike in political contributions (remember "you lie"?). However, since you won't own up, the issue is going to grow a pair of legs of its own and may get quickly out of your control.

Posted by: kevnet | March 22, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Cry baby Democrats will need government-paid counseling to get over this ordeal, I guess. What freaks!
Whoever said it was just stating the obvious.

Posted by: ohioan | March 22, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

We agree. The member of Congress should not only come forward and be identified but must be censured in the well of the House. Joe Wilson got a slap on the hand which was not enough of a public humiliation. Politics in Washington is out of control on both sides of the aisle.

That being said, the Congress and the office of POTUS remain institutions sacred to the secular rule of our country. There must be decorum and civility under the dome of the People's House. This member of Congress is a disgrace and must be identified.

Should the GOP cower in the back rooms and divert attention away from this matter then it is incumbent on the rest of us to begin outing members of Congress who have been duplicitous in their private and public lives. It's time for real truth in politics. And it begins with the outing of GOP members.

Posted by: SilasKain | March 22, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I think it is high time there were some new rules and punishments adopted for our House and Senate! This guy should have been removed from the room and fined, reprimanded. This has gone on long enough. From low life Cheney shouting obscenities, to the 'liar' guy heckling our President, to this one last night shouting 'baby killer'. Enough is enough! we need to start a petition and demand that our reps conduct themselves in a professional manner rather than drunk, immature college boys.

Posted by: Hillary08 | March 22, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Lookout there a new sheriff in congress. It's sheriff Capehart and he such a big strong black man. He gonna kick any uppity white boys but and ride of into the sunset with the white woman. Or maybe just shut-up and stop with your thinly veil threats of retaliation towards a congressman. Your a thug with a typewritter but still a thug. A big black thug pushing his weight around, trying to stiffle anyone who might shout that the emperor is naked.

Posted by: hermonmunster | March 22, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

People who don't support health care are responsible for the deaths of babys when they attempt to prevent health care from being available to a pregnant mother, or isn't available to a child of any age. The word coward comes to my mind as an apt description for anyone who believes as strongly in something as this, but isn't man enough to identify himself.

Posted by: lairb7 | March 22, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I'll own up to it. I love how libs want to be honest, yet hide behind words like "abortion" and "choice" rather tell it like it is. It is baby killing.

Come on be proud of the fact, a defenseless baby had their brains sucked out, and body mutilated in the name of "choice". It could have been your sister, brother, aunt, etc. Instead it's a baby killed in the name of choice. Ya, that' being brave. Throw a party in the name of another baby being killed. Crack open a cold one and drink to the murder.

I'm proud to be anti-baby killing. I do not attempt to capture the debate in misleading language.

Posted by: irish031 | March 22, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Yes keep abortion safe and legal! Save the whales.

Posted by: gdod25 | March 22, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Dutra1, it was I, too, along with 200-plus million American citizens!

What Stupak did was stupid and disgraceful. He should have known that any assurances from the Liar-In-Chief aren't worth anything, and furthermore, an Executive Order can't change enacted law. He sold our freedom for a mess of pottage.

We went to sleep as freemen Sunday evening and woke up as slaves on Monday morning. How does it feel, America?

Posted by: tonyr4096 | March 22, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

You expect a right-wing nutbag coward to man-up and confess to also being a low-life liar?

Hehe -- and pigs will fly the day republicans turn from back-stabbing, gossipy little fear-baiters into stand-up human beings.

Posted by: Frank57 | March 22, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

The only thugginess going on in the Chamber was the behavior of the Dems see themselves as 3rd world dictators. Don't worry, the unemployment rate for these thuggs will go up in November.

Posted by: irish031 | March 22, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

You expect a right-wing nutbag coward to man-up and confess to also being a low-life liar?

Hehe -- and pigs will fly the day republicans turn from back-stabbing, gossipy little fear-baiters into stand-up human beings.

Posted by: Frank57 | March 22, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Everyone should be entitled to say something incredibly stupid once in a while without being pilloried for it. Let it pass. He's an idiot. So what? The world is full of idiots or people waiting to momentarily be an idiot. All of us are on that waiting list.

Posted by: kchses1 | March 22, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

When you consider the fact that the republicans used nothing but fear and lies as their weapons of choice in the health care debate, expecting the shouter to show courage and step up is an unrealistic desire.

Posted by: cario1 | March 22, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Left-wing nuts=limp wristed. Ever wonder why the left-wing nuts have to kill defenseless babies? Because they are not man enough to attack anyone else.

Ya, that's a sign of toughness to kill babies.

Posted by: irish031 | March 22, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like someone yelled something rude. Oh my, what to do?

Aborting an unborn baby is a murder. All smoke and mirrors aside, the killing of anyone because you find their existence 'inconvenient,' is reprehensible.

If we had read about the killing of children as some sort of custom of an ancient people, we would shake our heads at the bizarre and macabre nature of that practice. However, in the modern United States, the home of the free and the brave, it is a common practice and declared a 'right' clung to by millions.

Good people that do not stand up and fight for the lives of the unborn should not be called good people.

And good people are allowed to shout rude things because...sticks, stones...you know...

Posted by: bmoney2 | March 22, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Most amazing thing about this is Wolf Blitzer wondering innocently in the aftermath if theidiot was a Democrat or a Republican.

Actually, given the rude, crude, simplistic ignorance of the outburst, how many House members suffer from both Tourette and a debilitating drinking problem? Shouldn't be that hard to narrow it down.

Posted by: aprilglaspie | March 22, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Given the lies by obama(unemployment rate will not go above 8%, the "stimulus" package will create and or save jobs, will save schools, etc. People making under 250K will not see tax increases. Gitmo will close by 01/10.

But, he is telling the truth about the health care bill.

Posted by: irish031 | March 22, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so the same party who wanted a voice vote on the bill in the name of accountability (campaign photo-op purposes) has none when it comes to shouting out an insult during session. If you said it, own it, otherwise you just like to talk about integrity.

Posted by: minorthread | March 22, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

If you believe in what you are saying then stand up and fight for your belief otherwise keep your mouth shut. What a chicken s..t way for any lawmaker to make his opinion known. I wonder what conglomerate has been contributing $$ to his election campaigns.

Posted by: mossy1 | March 22, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I note that almost every single poster here is not using their real name, myself included. But, if I knew who the shouter was, I wouldn't give him blame. I might give him my vote, were it possible.

Posted by: boatguy1964 | March 22, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

If Capeheart and the Post are serious about finding out "who" made these outrageous comments, they should 1) interview on TAPE every member of the Republicans in the Texas and California delegation and
2)have the audio tapes of the Members of Congress professionally analyzed against the "Baby Killer" utterance made on the House floor.
There are too many scientific tools available to allow this individual to get away with such deporable behavior.

Posted by: scrs_dallas | March 22, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

As inappropriate and unsurprising as this was I think it will pale when Senate Republicans put on their show in the coming week. It will be hard to imagine that these people are adults that can be taken seriously. It is good to see them so distressed over the damage this is going to cause to Democrats in the fall. They just refuse to learn and I love it.

Posted by: Lincoln74 | March 22, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Good work Deomocraps and good lick retaining your careers in the next election. You didn't listen to the voters and the voters WILL be heard on YOUR next run for office. Throw the baby out with the dirty water...

Posted by: ByeByeObama | March 22, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Quite a bit is being lost in the diatribes contained here.

First, of course, there is the spineless congressman (Unknown but apparently from Texas, according to Cathcart)who insulted his Chamber--the institution--to which he was elected. That should not be condoned.

However, there is also the spineless congressman Stupak--who has, for weeks, been getting the press on his oppostion to the very bill he decided in the dark of evening to vote for anyway.He deserves to be castigates by the very communities and people he claimed to represent--but not in the Halls of Congress.

Of the two who is the more guilty--the one that violated decorum, or the one that violated he promises to his consitutents and slithered out to vote at the last minute? Your call.

Posted by: john_tieso1 | March 22, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Congressman, If you are pro-life then let's see you get in line and adopt an orphan or two.

Posted by: mossy1 | March 22, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Cowardice on display -- it's easy to incite rabid Tea Partiers, harder to take personal responsibility.

If Republicans protect this dishonor, it's only because they agree with this behavior.

As a former Republican, I regret this party has disowned its base. The party of Reagan wold never resort to such lowlife tactics.

Posted by: somerseten | March 22, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

The detestable behavior is from Stupak and the Democrats for their tyrannical partisan autocratic passage of a bill opposed by bipartisanship. The real baby killers have been identified by their vote on the healthcare bill. No need to identify them any further. We know who they are and remember in November. Print out the list now so you'll never forget.

Posted by: kalamere | March 22, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey Irish031,

Bet you are Catholic and don't like it when your Priest is called a butt f@@ker.

if the shoe fits....

Posted by: harman7 | March 22, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

This is a perfect end to this chapter in the health care drama. One scaredy little fearmongering Republican takes an otherwise GOP hiccup to a spectacular crash and burn.

It's as if this sad little fellow took a giant spotlight and shined it on the essence of the 2010 GOP in a desperate and uncontrolled outburst. And even better that he hasn't owned up to it. So, when he is eventually exposed - his shame will be a thing of monumental beauty. Can't wait to see how he and Beck, et al, spin it. Chicken Feces.

Posted by: MollieKaye | March 22, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

But if he doesn't identify himself, how will he ever get his own show on Fox?

Posted by: gmcduluth | March 22, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

The main point should be that Boehner and other republican leaders should put pressure on their guys to respect decorum.

But just calling for the guy to identify himself reeks of partisanship. It sounds like you just want to shame him, which in this politican climate, means that you want to use what he said to generalize about all republicans.

This is what the dems did when they walked straight through the tea partiers. They knew they could get a reaction, and Barney Frank used the reaction to take a jab at republicans. This is also what Jesse Jackson did when he had his son film protesters in hopes of recording a racial slur.

Now, I am a democrat. I strongly opppose racism and homophobia, and I think what the guy yelled at Stupak showed disrespect for the Congress. But let's not forget that all these guys are politicians, including the leaders at which slurs were directed. I doubt they were terrible offended. More likely they were tickled pink at having ammo to throw at the repubs.

So calling for the 'baby killer' yeller to identify himself serves no useful purpose. It sounds like something a politician would say.

I would rather see an editorial on how in this terrible partisan time, all members of Congress should renew their efforts to respect our institutions and their loyal opponents.

Posted by: rschmieder | March 22, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

This is the first time I have read the comments on a Washington Post blog, so I am a little shocked to read the ignorant and hateful playground taunts. So, this is the level to which American discourse has descended. Good to know.

I am an American who supports health care reform and who has had an abortion. I am not afraid to admit either. You hateful people are going to have to work a lot harder to make me feel ashamed about either fact.

Posted by: samrlivingston | March 22, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Repubs like to make war not love. How many have they killed with the stroke of a pen.

Posted by: qweber23 | March 22, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"This member of Congress brought a thuggishness to the chamber"

LOL, you're funny...you should be on late night. The real thugs are Obama and Pelosi and their filthy backroom, dirty political deals that they've made. But what eles would one expect from a bunch of filthy baby killing Communists.

And to the idiot who said "If Republicans protect this dishonor, it's only because they agree with this behavior"...David Obey is a DEMOCRAT you nincompoop.

Posted by: jpindorski | March 22, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

If misogynistic racist homophobes had any testicular fortitude, they wouldn't wear white sheets and hide behind a cross. I do, however, love the lingering smell of the exploded head of a right wing extremist. There were so many after Obama won the election, and now a fresh crop.

Fear, Hatred, Distortion, Distraction and Division. It's all they've got to offer.

Posted by: thebobbob | March 22, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey harman7, forget about the priest...let's talk about your mother...now there's a real ahhh, how did you put, oh yeah, butt f@@ker.

Posted by: jpindorski | March 22, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Deceit, bribery, back room deals, lies, and government takeover is not enough… you now want some moron who shouted something stupid to stand up for verbal abuse. Is the real reason you want the whipping boy simply a rouse to draw attention away from a bill that fundamentally changes America from a free country into a Government run state? The person interrupting was and is an idiot, but his comment is minor in comparison to 216 elected officials’ deliberate disregard for the constitution of the United States and the majority of Americans who verbally shouted “NO” to this bill. You people are looking to draw and quarter one individual as your liberty is stolen. Who is the real moron here?

Posted by: stuart11 | March 22, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Love the abortion foes who do nothing to help the children after they are born and the conservatives value freedom above all else, but sure want to tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies.

What hypocracy!!

Now if your priest raped an 11 year old parishoner and she got pregnant what then? have the baby? At 11 , it is hard to support and provide for all a baby needs.

Who will help this child.

She's not capable of taking care of the baby, can we count on you to adopt ? If so, do it? And keep your stinking hands and thoughts off of women's bodies.

Posted by: harman7 | March 22, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

The president signs a meaningless executive order affirming that no public money should go to pay for abortions. The order won't change the Senate legal language -- as pro-choice Democrats publicly crowed within minutes of the Stupak deal. Executive orders can be changed or eliminated on a whim. So like the Congressman said, Stupak is indeed a BABY KILLERS like the rest of you filthy DEMOCRATS

Posted by: jpindorski | March 22, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Wow! your Mama!!! What an intelligent comeback . Bet you are sticking your tongue out as well.

Posted by: harman7 | March 22, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

vasectomy > if you are a male, and you wish to opine about abortion, Get a vasectomy, or your words mean nothing.

Posted by: littleoysters | March 22, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

In the early days of Congress, there were fist fights and members occasionally took cudgels to each other over political differences. Name calling, while childish, is not serious in the grand scheme of things.

I think anyone who is willing to use an epithet should be willing to acknowledge it, but since this Representative is not coming forward, it's better to let it lie.

Posted by: Fabrisse | March 22, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Whats wrong with shouting what you believe when all other avenues have failed? Why should the person shouting be identified? All of you posting on the matter don't want to be "outed" on your opinion either. The Congress is OUT OF CONTROL - like most of the rest of the country. This legislation and the influence peddaling that went on to change votes points to the insanity that pervades this country. The issue is Freedom, in all its forms and this legislation that was BOUGHT, goes further to polarize our country to the point of Anarchy.

I was also "shouting" out at my Television at the GUTLESS reversal by Stupak -- I for one applaud the Congressman who had the GUTS to shout out -- it is a Right we used to hold so dearly in this nation.

Posted by: Obeewan1 | March 22, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Ahh, the truth hurts? Good. Take an aspirin. Oh wait, you'll have to get permission first from the Secretary of Health and lets hope they haven't been rationed yet. LOL

Posted by: jpindorski | March 22, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe the media like the Wash post can't get to the bottom of this.
Your lack of hold congress accountable for anything is remarkable.

How many people in the Texas and Cali delagation? Can't you hold a fire to the republican leadership? How about checking the signature of the person's voice?
I demand answers!!

Posted by: joejoe2000 | March 22, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

The Punk should ID himself. I would stand behind anything I said or shouted.

Posted by: question-guy | March 22, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

it was one of the texas secessionists.

let them all join their petro-dictator friends in Venezuela and leave the rest of us alone

Posted by: malachhamovess | March 22, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

What he said was absolutely true and should be commended! He shouldn't 'have to identify himself' because he said nothing wrong. He would just open himself up to attacks from the looney left and the liberals in the media.

Posted by: sp80903 | March 22, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Truth hurts doesn't it Stupak?

Posted by: CarlosHawes | March 22, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

The incivility and complete lack of decorum this Congressman displayed is beyond comprehension. Truly a new low. Not revealing himself shows an even greater cowardice than the inappropriate outburst itself. What has happened to civility and basic decency among our leaders? If adults cannot disagree respectfully and control themselves on the floor of the US House of Representatives, it's a sad day for mankind. Truly repugnant.

Posted by: JG2010 | March 22, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Have any of you poor whining lib infants ever watch the British Parliament during debate? These thin skinned libs wouldn't last two minutes in the House of Commons.

Posted by: CarlosHawes | March 22, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

No they don't we pay the jerks through our taxes and we have every right to find the greater idiots among the chamber of lesser idiots.

Posted by: scon101 | March 22, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

If the Republicans want to scream insults at people without giving away their identity, why don't they just send videos of themselves wearing masks? You know, like their right-wing, fundamentalist, middle-eastern buddies?

Posted by: TheDukeStir1 | March 22, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT THE HOUSE MENBER THAT SAID OBUMA LIED WAS CASTIGATED BY THE DEMS. HOWEVER, THERE IS MORE AND MORE PROOF THAT OB IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PLAYERS WITH THE TRUTH THAN WE HAVE EVER SEEN. MOST OF THE FIGURES HE STATED CONCERNING THE HC BILL WERE INCORRECT,. THEY WERE ALWAYS EXPLAINED BY "HE WAS CONFUSED ABOUT SEVERAL THINGS." WELL THE DEMS NOW HAVE A BILL AND THEY WILL HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF IT. REMEMBER REV. WRICHT? OB THREW HIM UNDER THE BUS NOW ALL OF THOSE DEMS WHO BELIEVED HIM ABOUT COMING TO HELP THEM IN THE NEXT ELECTION BETTER GET READY TO GO UNDER ALSO.
JUST THINK OF THE RESULTS SO FAR WHEN OB CAME TO A STATE TO BACK A CANDIDATE. THEY ALL LOST. ONLY TIME WILL TELL US ABOUT THE DEALS THAT WERE MADE TO BUY VOTES. IT WAS ALSO INTERESTING TO SEE THE FLORIDA REP SPEAK ABOUT THE BILL BEING THE RIGHT THING. HOW WOULD HE KNOW THE RIGHT THING. WAS HE NOT REMOVED FROM THE BENCH AS A JUDGE BECAUSE HE DID NOT KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG? THE DEMS WILL GO DOWN IN SMOKE. THE SAME STUFF OB IS USING.

Posted by: MALBENNET | March 22, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

CarlosHawes wrote: "Have any of you poor whining lib infants ever watch the British Parliament during debate?"

I have seen that. I don't recall any of the British pols running and hiding like a typical GOP chickenhawk after shouting their insult.

Posted by: TheDukeStir1 | March 22, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me, but wasn’t it Nancy Pelosi who said she liked dissent and disagreement? Hell, you people should be applauding this individual not looking to castigate someone. Why single out one individual when the whole congress is out of control.

Posted by: stuart11 | March 22, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Stupak shows the oxymoron that is "Democrat Principles". If you don't like a Democrat's principles, don't worry, they have others they can substitute at a moments notice.

Posted by: CarlosHawes | March 22, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Stupak is an idiot or a slug or a wimp or a slob or all of the above. The people in this post screaming for a person to be identified remind me of Nazi symathizers or Comunist stoolies or Mc Aurthisim suporters or grade scool rats or all of the above. What do you want to do, take him out and have him publicly floged or secretly questioned? Don't worry that will be standard procedure soon enough.

Posted by: Obamasnotyamama | March 22, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

littleoysters, tell it to the Catholic priests.

Posted by: harman7 | March 22, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Boo hoo, what a bunch of crybabies.

Just wait 'til November, you'll really be crying then.

Posted by: princeps2 | March 22, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The Obamabots want the shouter's identity revealed so that he can become the first "guest" of their soon to be established "reeducation camps"

Posted by: CarlosHawes | March 22, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Benedict Arnold and Bart Stupak. Two names that will go down in American History forever. Except that Arnold's treason killed maybe thousands. Stupak's will kill millions.

Posted by: CarlosHawes | March 22, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Issues like health care - or the stimulus, or taxes or jobs - come and go.
Courage, character, and common decency last forever - or they don't.
If you said it, stand up.
If you know who said it, stand up.
If you chose to do neither, perhaps you should leave.
It would be an insult to gutless bums everywhere to call this guy(?) a gutless bum.

Posted by: sidprejean | March 22, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

CarlosHawes wrote:
"Benedict Arnold and Bart Stupak. Two names that will go down in American History forever. Except that Arnold's treason killed maybe thousands. Stupak's will kill millions."


Gee, it's hard to understand why people say teabaggers are totally detached from reality.

Posted by: TheDukeStir1 | March 22, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Oh my. I hope the lessons my children learned about respect and self-control pass the test of time. After reading many of these comments, I'm becoming a little concerned. I also worry that my children (and grandchildren) might begin to assume that a law can completely answer or correct a moral dilemma. Instead, I hope that they continue to believe that morality is an issue that each of us must continue to seek and address continuously in his/her own life - public and private. And that we each must work towards behavior and standards that do not begin or end with laws that can, have been, and will be changed over time. Laws are our ways of trying to get it right on one front. If we are not trying to do this on all fronts, starting with our own behavior, then we've missed the boat.

Posted by: CAN50 | March 22, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Of course, he won't identidy himself. Republcans don't ever take responsibility for their despicable behavior. Cowardice is in their genes.

Posted by: Gatsby10 | March 22, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

The orderlies have let CarlosHawes escape again from his padded cell again...

Posted by: Gatsby10 | March 22, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Why martyr him?

Posted by: JohninMpls | March 22, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Cowardice in their genes? Wow! You stand and accuse a group of Americans as cowards over the actions of one foolish individual? You Democrats would be the first to cry bigotry, narrow-mindedness, even racism. And you preach the lessons of morality and self-control and respect. Hypocritical comes to mind. Boy, is that just like Stupak.

Posted by: stuart11 | March 22, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

stuart11:
Stupak isn't a hypocrite. To be a hypocrite, one has to actually have standards to eventually betray. The man is better described as amoral.

Posted by: CarlosHawes | March 22, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I would agree with that on one condition, that all the other behind door deals both illegal and immoral be brought into the light regarding this entire health care scam. You see I beleive in setting everybody to the same atandard, this is not to be confused with socializing or equalizing.
Making everyone adhear to the same rules is only fair, as I am sure you would agree. Rewarding those who don't by taking from those who do is WRONG, and shoving this healthcare down America's throat when nearly 75% of Americans did not want this version of the bill passed at all is nothing but corruption by the party in charge. I can hardly wait until November for some REAL change away from the current agenda.
Never a Democrate again. Glen from California

Posted by: Glen_from_California | March 22, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Well said Glenn! Let’s shed some light on all these cockroaches…

Posted by: stuart11 | March 22, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

En zo Herr Capehart, how many abortions have you paid for?

I strongly suspect virtually every WarshPost staffer has had an abortion, participated in one, or paid for one, so this is not a question without meaning.

Here a guy calls a baby killer a baby killer and you are in high dudgeon.

Frankly, killing a baby is worse than just shouting words.

Posted by: muawiyah | March 22, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Gatsby10 ~ you are so woefully behind on the news ~ (proving you don't ever look at the NEWS page on this board) ~ the man has already apologized to the House.

Now that we've established your level of indolence and stupidity (when it comes to dealing with issues) what's this about Republicans having an hereditary form of "cowardice"?

That was a challenge to a duel you mouthed ~ which is against the law in every state in the union, as well as DC, and I'd imagine the editors of the WarshPost don't care to have their website used for publishing such things.

Posted by: muawiyah | March 22, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Obamasnotyamama wrote: "Stupak is an idiot or a slug or a wimp or a slob or all of the above. The people in this post screaming for a person to be identified remind me of Nazi symathizers or Comunist stoolies or Mc Aurthisim suporters or grade scool rats or all of the above."

Yeah, you're right, it's far too much to ask that our elected representatives stand behind their statements by doing something as radical as GIVING THEIR IDENTITY. They should wear masks and send anonymous videos like the leaders of terror groups. I guess fundamentalist right-wingers think alike.

Oh, and "Mc Aurthisim?" You mean like the Knights of the Round Table?

Posted by: TheDukeStir1 | March 22, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

You are right that if this bozo feels so strongly about an ideology of his that he should identify himself and take the credit for disprespecting a colleague. but I don't feel it is the other's in Congress responsibility to "out" him. Things got pretty heated yesterday in the Chamber and I would blame the Republican leadership for not having better control over their members.

Posted by: creatia52 | March 22, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

TheDukeStir1 ~ yeah, it does sound like McCarthyism ~ at the same time it's been hours and hours since the man identified himself.

You just get up or something?

That's no excuse.

On the internet if you want to comment it is expected you will do so by first being INFORMED.

If you can't inform yourself, don't comment. You just waste bandwith and remind others of what a fool you are.

Posted by: muawiyah | March 22, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this right. It's okay for someone to be sexually irresponsible, then, to avoid the bother, have the child killed, sucked out of her stomach and hosed down the drain. Not only is that okay, the federal government is going to suck money out of our pockets to promote it. However,anyone who dares shout something offense is to be censured and punished.
Rep. Stupak is now known as, and will be forever known as, Bart the Baby Killer.

Posted by: wfxt | March 22, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

You are delusional if you think this bill will save lives. Many lives will be lost due to the lack of innovation that is inherent to socialized medicine. Think of the innovations that have taken place in the last 20-30 years that are now saving lives every day. Innovative growth in medicine stagnates under government controlled health care, resulting in an untold loss of lives that could have been saved by the innovations that are fostered under free market systems. There are individual companies in the US that spend more on medical Research & Development than is spent in all of Canada. Why are we going down this road?

Posted by: taxslave | March 22, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

"If this member of Congress feels so strongly about his anti-abortion views, then he should have the courage to identify himself."

That presupposes that he has courage. But it is my observation that such people do not have any courage. Is it any wonder their predecessors covered their faces with sheets?

Posted by: AMviennaVA | March 22, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Umm, the Representative did identify himself and apologized for his outburst.

Posted by: GunnyLRP | March 22, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Why should he apologize? What did he say that is not true?

Posted by: wfxt | March 22, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

STUPAK: WILL SELL FETUSES FOR VOTE
We have a new word for our Dictionary today: Stupak'ed
"You've been Stupak'ed."
No doubt that these words will make a person's stomach turn; you will know that you've been had, suckered...
"You've been Stupak'ed." Kind of like being screwed over.
It's about the fact that the other person simply wasn't capable of the intellectual or moral rigor that was needed in the argument and he or she was afraid of being found out.
So - he or she "Stupak'ed" you.

Stupak - the mental midget - could not and didn't argue the merits of the bill itself - which is enough of a reason not to vote for it, instead he chose to hide behind abortion to deflect his weaknesses.

Hiding behind abortion is REPREHENSIBLE.

So, while he may not kill babies, he certainly will sell fetuses for a chance to "make history." Obama buys automakers, banks, student loan companies, fetuses, companies, homes, federal lands, - better watch for Granny - she has some gold teeth in her mouth!

Posted by: easttxisfreaky | March 22, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Cry baby Democrats will need government-paid counseling to get over this ordeal, I guess. What freaks!
Whoever said it was just stating the obvious.

ohioan

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Your brilliantly insightful analysis, which speaks so directly to the facts of the incident without resorting to emotional hyperbole, is refreshing, ohioan.

Except, of course, not a syllable of what I just wrote as a shred of truth or accuracy.

For the record, though I've always voted a split ticket my entire voting life, I'd reckon somewhere in the range of 75-80% of my votes have been for Republicans.

The Republicans didn't want to chastise Joe Wilson, which gave the Democrats some political cover when Alan Grayson made his outrageous accusation against the Republicans. Both were not only out of order -- Wilson in a Presidential address to a joint session of Congress, Grayson in the House while that [supposedly] august body was in session.

I'd guess that in a reverse situation you'd be be protesting, too, wanting to know who solid the House. I would, but I wouldn't resort to accusing the other side of being "cry babies."

Well, I'll leave you to your cup of tea. . . . and yes, that's a stupid thing to say, but based solely on your comment, I wonder if anything short of it might even register.

Posted by: MekhongKurt1 | March 23, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why I bother, but for what's it's worth, in response to "wfxt"'s woefully misinformed comment, fetuses do not exist in a woman's stomach unless she ATE one. You might want to consider educating yourself about a woman's anatomy before you try to control it.

And how about, if we're going to make ridiculous claims and toss around cruel insults, we post using our real names? I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Samantha and I live in Denver. Are you all brave enough to do the same?

Posted by: samrlivingston | March 24, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

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