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Biden stumbles into Middle East trap

Vice President Joe Biden was expected to spend this week nurturing the Obama administration’s shaky relations with Israel and building momentum for a new peace process. Instead he may have accomplished the opposite -- by stumbling into a classic Middle Eastern trap.

The vice president’s troubles began on Tuesday, shortly after his arrival in Jerusalem, with an announcement by the Israeli Interior ministry that 1,600 new housing units had been approved to expand a Jewish neighborhood on the city’s northern edge, outside Israel’s 1967 border. This was, of course, a deliberate provocation. The Obama administration spent its first year unsuccessfully attempting to persuade Israel to impose a freeze on such settlement construction, and the Palestinian Authority’s refusal to begin peace talks without that concession forced the indirect “proximity” talks that both sides finally agreed to on Monday.

But Biden shouldn’t have been surprised by the announcement, which was delivered by a ministry under the control of a right-wing religious party in Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s fractious coalition. The ambushing of high-level American visitors to Jerusalem via the announcement of new settlements is a tried-and-true tactic of Israeli hard-liners seeking to derail peace negotiations. It dates to at least the early 1990s, when Secretary of State James A. Baker III complained that he was greeted with a new settlement every time he landed in Israel.

Over the years U.S. envoys from Baker to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice have learned that the trick is to sidestep such broadsides, expressing disapproval without allowing the toxic settlement issue to take center stage and derail peace negotiations. After all, most Israeli settlement announcements, including this one, are pure symbolism: No ground will be broken anytime soon, and even if the homes are eventually constructed they won’t stand in the way of a Palestinian state.

By that measure, Biden flunked. Interrupted in the middle of what was supposed to be a day of love-bombing Israelis with speeches and other demonstrations of U.S. support, he kept Netanyahu and his wife waiting for 90 minutes into a scheduled dinner before issuing a statement that harshly criticized the interior ministry’s announcement. Biden chose to use a word -- “condemn” -- that is very rarely employed in U.S. statements about Israel, even though he and his staff knew that Netanyahu himself had been blindsided by the settlement announcement. So much for love bombs.

On Wednesday, after meeting with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, Biden once again allowed the settlement issue to take center stage, declaring that the “Israeli government decision…undermines the trust we need right now in order to begin...profitable negotiations.” That may be true. But part of the trust that has been missing has been between Israel and Obama, whose poll ratings in the Jewish state plunged to the single digits at one point last year. Many Israelis have resented the fact that Obama has visited Cairo and Riyadh as president, but not Jerusalem. Biden’s trip was seen as partial compensation, and as a way of assuring Israelis that if they took risks in peace talks, this U.S. administration would stand behind them.

Mission accomplished? I would think not.

By Jackson Diehl  | March 10, 2010; 11:57 AM ET
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How proud I am of having Bozo the clown representing my country! LOL

Posted by: cschotta1 | March 10, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Very good analysis. The fixation on settlements has done more to derail the peace process than anything else. The reality is that for every 1 Israeli in the West Bank, there are 5 Arabs in Israel. Why should the presence of a small number of Jews in the WB prevent the establishment of a viable Palestinian Arab state when the presence of a much larger number of Arabs does not prevent Israel from being a viable Jewish state. Israelis are correct to perceive an underlying racism to this fixation on settlements. As far as Jerusalem, Jews are a majoiry of the city's population, and have been for hundreds of years. Imagine if here in D.C. where black people are a majority someone said the black's can't live in NW, because that particular part of the city has traditionally had a white majority. Would anyone fail to see that as racism? How is it any different to say that Jews should be excluded from parts of a city where Jews are a majority? Think about it.

Posted by: amc1 | March 10, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"This was, of course, a deliberate provocation."

With friends and allies like Israel, who needs Muslims to scapegoat as the common enemy?

Posted by: coloradodog | March 10, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse


Biden stumbles over the failed administration of Barack Obama.


Posted by: Jerzy | March 10, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

A Short-tempered Man Shouldn't Try to Clear Minefields

Sending Vice President Biden on a diplomatic mission proves once more the lack of any wisdom or foreign affairs experience in the Obama's White House.

If Biden speaks more than 5 minutes he'll say something that worth remembering.

However, this time it might be not Biden's fault.

Robert Gibbs used the same word "condemn" so it comes from either Obama himself or Mitchell, who is a "friend of Israel" like Obama, Jimmy, Zbig, Rashid Halidi and others.

The idea of the "J" Street that Obama visit Israel is extremely stupid, because Obama's popularity in Israel is 0%, that is still higher than Ahmadenijad's 0.0%.

After anti-Israel manifesto that Obama declared in Cairo on June 4th 2009, only the enemies of Israel would insist on his visit.

Anti-Israel hysteria in the US and Europe is going on for already 4 years non-stop. If it's not Sharon, than it is Gaza, when it isn't Gaza than it is settlements.

Israel has numerous enemies, the Arabs, the Muslims, the J Street, the Obamistas, the leftists, etc.

Israel will survive, there will American Presidents after Obama.

Posted by: birs1987 | March 10, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

This has become surreal. The nuclear threat from Iran is becoming more imminent by the day and what is VP Biden spending his time on? Denouncing the building of new homes in Jerusalem! Is this really more important than the possibility of a nuclear war between Iran and Israel? Historians of the future will have a problem understanding this period in history. They will probably ask why wasn’t anyone devoting any attention to the West’s foremost scholar on Islam, Bernard Lewis, who said the following about Iran: “In this context, mutual assured destruction, the deterrent that worked so well during the Cold War, would have no meaning. At the end of time, there will be general destruction anyway. What will matter will be the final destination of the dead--hell for the infidels, and heaven for the believers. For people with this mindset, MAD is not a constraint; it is an inducement.” http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008768

Posted by: MladenAndrijasevic | March 10, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

It is about time that we have an administration which will call this behavior provocative. There is no parallel to Arabs living in Israel as the settlements become fenced, administered Israli areas with what should be an Arab administered area.

Posted by: donebe | March 10, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

amc1 "Why should the presence of a small number of Jews in the WB prevent the establishment of a viable Palestinian Arab state when the presence of a much larger number of Arabs does not prevent Israel from being a viable Jewish state."

This is pretty easy to answer. Because Israel is not going to leave any settlements outside it's borders. Wherever a permanent settlement is built the Israeli border has effectively moved outwards, regardless of how many Arabs are in the vicinity. Or a military secured road to it divides Arab territory. So until you find a way to satisfatoraly resolve the territorial disputes permanently and/or halt terrorism so Jews can safely live in Palestine without Israeli miltary protection, every single settlement is a giant trouble magnet.

Posted by: qgaliana | March 10, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I don't agree that Biden stumbled in his visit to Jerusalem. If Biden should not have been surprised by the announcement, then Netanyahu, an old hand in hardliner Israeli politics, could not plausibly have been blindsided by this announcement from within his coalition. If anyone flunked, it was Netanyahu, who should have been vigilant about such disruptions leading up to his audience with the Vice President.

Biden is known for, to put it mildly, straying from the talking points when he speaks. But he is an experienced diplomat who is also one of the few politicians with the balls to call a spade a spade, and in this this case he was right on. I give him kudos for using the word "condemn," a term long overdue in our dialogue with Israel. US-led peace negotiators should be condemning every act that endangers the peace process, no matter where it comes from.

Posted by: atylerfox | March 10, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Before the Israelis had a chance to say anything, Biden promised them that USA's support was "unshakeable." Israelis took him at his words. That is all that happened.

Any Palestinian, or Arab, or Muslim, who thinks that the US can be an honest broker in the Middle East conflict is an imbecile who deserves to be taken for a ride.

Posted by: nats_uglymanyahoocom | March 10, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

So, this sort of thing has happened many times before going all the way back to SecState Baker. OK, let the Israelis know that we are bowing out of negotiations. Period. No more tring to referee when they are not willing to even begin the process on the right foot. Same to the Palistinians. You want our help then no more futzing around with the rockets and bombings. We stay home util both sides show that they are ready to settle down..

Posted by: caseyb1 | March 10, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's time for the US to cut way back on the amount of money we give to Israel, which is in the millions and millions each year. This might make them
a bit more polite to our representatives who visit Israel.

Posted by: beccajo | March 10, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

The worst Biden blunder was his statement that the Arab Palestinians deserved a "contiguous" independent state. Even the U.N.'s 1947 Partition map did not include a contiguous Arab portion of the part of Britain's League of Nation's Palestinian mandate.* Adding a land strip connecting the Gaza Strip and the West Bank is not even part of the Arab demand that Israel withdraw to the borders defined by the terms of the 1948 truce that followed Israel's defeat of the invasion by Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Yemen. (Had those Arab nations defeat4ed the new State of Israel they intended to divide the remaining Palestine between them, not establish an independent Palestine.)

*[In 1923 Britain banned Palestinian Jews from the portion of its Palestinian territory east of the Jordan River. It split off eastern Palestine and established an independent Arab Palestinian nation called Trans-Jordan. This territory and its Palestinian Arab population Britain awarded to the Emir Abdullah, not a Palestinian but a Hashemite Arab from what is now a part of Saudi Arabia.]

Posted by: btm11 | March 10, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

GOOD Oole Dufus in CHarge... he sends Dufus TWO to keep losing any resoect foe America worldwide...

Posted by: redhawk2 | March 10, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Send a self absorbed ego on a diplomatic mission and expecting subtle response to developing events is insane. If Biden were a fish, he'd have been in someone's skillet long ago.

Posted by: ecrutle | March 10, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

When does it become important to Israel to worry about what most Americans think rather than the other way around? Here's the deal we should present - if you don't agree with us, that's fine. Do as you will - on your own. We shouldn't tell Israel what to do. But we also shouldn't pay them or support them to do things that are plainly wrong.

Posted by: howard11 | March 10, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Israel hardliners know the U.S. is its patsy, and they can get away with flagrant insults to the hand that feeds them. The only action that will bring Israel to the negotiating table is to hold up U.S. aid until Israel shows a commitment to the peace process. I applaud Vice President Biden for at least calling them out on their action.

Posted by: nancytropoli | March 10, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it abundantly clear by now that Israel is dead set against a two-state solution, and thus not a reliable partner in our search for a just and lasting Mideast peace, or for that matter a true allie of the United States? Face reality, and quit blaming Biden.

Posted by: gadflira | March 10, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

My issue is how the Post headlined this item. It was an Israeli trap not a regional trap. Why sweeten a bitter pill?

Posted by: edw1 | March 10, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Biden should have asked for the latest uncashed check of American aid back and mentioned that the phone number for "free" money has changed. This is the only diplomacy that will bring substantive change to the apartheid in the region.

Posted by: richardcoreno | March 10, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps it is now time for the Obama-Biden show to come off the road, and just remain QUITE for a few months! If jobs is the name of the game, keep the unions out of the White House, and Biden quite.

Why is Team Obama giving us one embarrassment after another?

Posted by: wheeljc | March 10, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I personally am glad to hear the Vice President call a spade a spade. The "settlement" issue may be a red herring but Isreal has consistently slapped the US in the face with that fish for years. It is a major road block to any peace negotiations with the Palestinians....and why not?? If someone continued to tell me my backyard was fair game for them to snatch and build, I wouldn't believe anything else they said either. Sometimes the answer really is simple. Thanks, Joe for not going all "diplomatic" on us. If the truth hurts, then maybe they should stop.

Posted by: gdwtch52 | March 10, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Let's see. Israel has a large nuclear strike force, but Iran acquiring even one warhead threatens Armaggedon.
Israel has seized territory by force of arms and now, on a continuing and large scale, in violation of international law, is expelling the original residents and building settlements for its own people. But the Post says that in condemning this action, Biden has "stepped into a trap."
I thought even most Israelis were prepared to trade land for peace. Instead, their government pursues annexations to block the road to peace.
Cut off all U.S. aid to Israel until Israel stops the settlements!

Posted by: thelongview | March 10, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

so he doesn't tap dance like his predecessors. that's not much of a criticism. in fact, it's a compliment, and suggests we aren't so afraid of our shadow that we need to measure every word for fear of offending a single Jewish voter.

Posted by: JoeT1 | March 10, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Missing Analysis ... so Biden didn't do what others before him did. He didn't side step this "trap" from the hard liners from the right.

It would seem the the "side stepping" hasn't worked in the past, why would anyone think it would work now? Maybe it was time to do something different because there are still issues there and doing the same old thing just doesn't get it done.

Is this piece considered balanced reporting or biased reporting?

Posted by: HawaiiJack | March 10, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

So, Israel is like a spoiled child who plays dirty trick but it is accepted and maybe considered “sweet” and therefore we supposed to get used to it instead of being upset.

Well, I think VP Biden had a right attitude. The Israeli Government have insulted me last year already when President Obama asked for a settlement freeze, which by a number of negotiators was determined to be the biggest obstacle to peace. However the Israeli Government went ahead with new settlements.

The new settlements in Biden’s “honor” are planned to be built in Arabic part of Jerusalem outside the 1967 border, clearly in violation of international laws.

The truth is Israel does not want a peace agreement. It built a separation fence. Gaza is securely in open-air prison, they control every move on West Bank. They reduced the violence to an “acceptable” level, Israel’s economy is flourishing, settlements are expanding to slowly become “facts on ground” and finally all of West Bank becomes Israel. Palestinians can be “transferred” or stay as second-class citizens, or leave by their own will to flee desperation.

I think we should just separate ourselves from Israel and let them make these steps without our involvement for which we are already paying a high price.

Posted by: jolandakp | March 10, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

As long as the desired contours of Israel are consistent with what God is alleged to have promised Abraham, there will be no peace in the Middle East. Instead of holding out for that goal, everyone concerned should be questioning the omniscience, not to mention sanity, of a deity who would bequeath so tiny a sliver of the Levant to a people he also predicted would be as numerous as the stars in heaven and sands on the seashore. It's time to discard religious pseudo-history and myth as a blueprint for national and international policies, period. And if that rational suggestion carries no weight, then let's have both Christians and Jews examine very carefully both groups' expectations of what is going to happen in the "Messianic Age." The prospects actually cancel each other out. It's safe to say that somebody is going to be in for quite a surprise if either version of anticipated events were to come about! Actually neither will, a fact that renders the ongoing bloodshed and inhumanity all the more tragic.

Posted by: momsablogger | March 10, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

amc1:

Your analogy fails because it ignores the context: as Israeli settlement have expanded, often by stealing and walling off land owned by Palestinians, they have basically expanded on the 1967 War, contrary to applicable UN Resolutions.

A better analogy is when Americans decide to take over Indian reservations to build their own condos, ski resorts, etc. So to extend the analogy, Israel should be required to let Palestinians build casinos and such within the 1967 boundaries.

Posted by: tmorgan2008 | March 10, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Good old 'Uncle Joe'.
What's he going to do next, turn wine into water?
Every time he leaves his cage he's steps on his dick as soon as he unzips.
I'd suggest he stick to representing the U.S. at State funerals but he'd probably say something stupid about the deceased then knock the coffin over.

Posted by: Etek | March 10, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Biden did fine. It's about time someone told Israel the truth about their provocative actions.

To all you Obama/Biden haters out there- Do you think Sarah Palin can find Israel on a map?

Posted by: cjbass55 | March 10, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse


I guess that your message is, "When an American state visitor visits Israel they should be prepared to be humiliated and remain silent."

You didn't really explain why we would want to do that. They keep on insulting us.

Let's just stop visiting these rude and ignorant hosts. And, put them on the top of the budget cut list. No country has ever been less grateful for our aid.

Posted by: Petronius_Jones | March 10, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

What should Biden have done, ignore the affront? That would have been interpreted as silent approval.
Kudos to Biden for chiden the Israeli government. Indeed, many in Israel, to include some in the government, are just as unhappy. And what do you mean, these settlements will not affect an eventual agreement? Are you telling me that Israel would turn the buildings over to the Palestinians? Perhaps as a dowry?

Posted by: schumann-bonn | March 10, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Etck: I take it you'd rather have had him bow and scrape to bully Netanyahu like old-time slaves to "massa." Biden did not stick his foot in his mouth, but he should have stuck it in Netanyahu's and relieved him of his teeth. Maybe that approach would induce the arrogant so-and-so to talk peace a bit more sincerely and give him second thoughts about ever bombing Iran. If Israel does that -- a distinct possibility -- I hope the US sits back and lets Israel take the consequences all by herself.

Posted by: momsablogger | March 10, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Unless your head in buried under the sand somewhere or you are biased beyond the point of stupidity you have to conclude that Israel does not want peace. There is no incentive for it. Israel does not have to spend its own resources because it has the backing of its colony, America. It has the unshakeable backing of America’s treasury, American blood, and American lives to guarantee its security. Then there are colonial administrators, the American politicians, who put Israel’s interest ahead of America's. The mere mention of the world holocaust and the Europeans with their guilty conscience to hasten to Israel's defense. Israel has the world on a string. It is the only country in the world that can get away with the things it does. If what is happening in the Palestinian territories is not genocide then something is wrong. What has happened to the collective conscience of the world? It seems as though the moral compass has gone haywire. Can’t the world see the looming danger in allowing this present situation to continue?
In the short term, this impasse looks favorable for Israel. It allows Israel to continue to build settlements, continue to build the wall, continue to depopulate Palestinian areas and continue to capture more Palestinian land. Conversely it allows the world to see the vile atrocities committed by Israel to achieve those ends. While countries like the US, Europe, Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arab may view this favorably, the seething masses of Muslims and Arabs and fair-minded people elsewhere see this as a humiliation of the Muslims and as atrocities committed against mankind. They see the supporters of Israel as tormentors and enemies of humanity. Am I the only one who see this? Is there any wonder why Iran would want to develop nukes? Rather than ensuring Israel security, the present situation is only endangering it. I am not saying Israel is the only one to blame.
America has lost its prestige, and influence in the world. How can it reverse this situation? In order to earn the respect of the world again, America needs to regain its moral compass. A bit of history, the Haitian revolution recognized the dignity and freedom of all people everywhere from its inception, whereas the American Revolution was much more limited, it initially recognized the dignity and freedom of some men and only within its own border. Many years later, at the end of slavery, it finally recognized the rights and dignity of all men within its border. Today America recognizes the right and dignity of all people within its border. America must now recognize the freedom and dignity of all people everywhere and that will require independence from Israel. It needs to approach the world with even handedness. Only then will America do the hard things necessary to bring about peace in the Middle East and to the broader world. Is there a modern George Washington out there?

Posted by: richiedread | March 10, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Israel is NOT an independent nation!

It is a recipient of foreign aid, more than most countries. So enough of this nonsense! Israelis best mind their manners and know who their true masters are...they think they`re independent? Keep it up and we`ll see just how independent or dependent they truly are.

I`ll put my tax dollars toward every effort to diminish that failed state, and I`ll begin by writing my congressman and senators today. How dare they offend the american public when all we`ve ever done is support Israel's miserable existence! Shame on them. I vote we give all the land of this failed state to palestine and disarm all facets of this rogue regime.

Posted by: Rubiconski | March 10, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Diehl, to me , seems to have a dislike
of Israel. It is not in the reporting of the situation but the tone in which it is stated. The United States has been demanding concessions from Israel & threatening them with loss of aid, etc. if they do not comply. The Palestinians have received no such demands for concessions such as allowing that Israel has the right to exist,nor any threats if they do not tow the line. All of the onus is being placed on Israel, unfairly.
Many of the immigrants from Mexico claim that all of the land we won from them in
our war with Mexico is actually still a part of Mexico & therefore, they have the right to come here illegally. It is really their land.
Does this sound a bit like the Palestinians
who declare that the West Bank & Gaza Strip
are legally theirs & do not belong to Israel who won this land when the Arab nations combined to fight Israel some 50 or so years ago.
Are the Mexicans right in claiming parts of the United States for their own? Shall we give them back parts of the Southwest?
The argument for Israel having to return the land it won from the Palestinians/Arabs in a war initiated by the Palestinians/Arabs is the same as that of the current day Mexicans demanding the return of the land we won from them in the war with their nation.
Is one of these a "must give back" or both of them a "must give back" or neither of them a "must give back"?
In fairness , if one of these lands has to be given back, then, they both should be. If one does not have to be given back,
neither does the other.
Anybody out there want to give back the southwest territory to Mexico?

Posted by: afed27 | March 10, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I LIKE IT WHEN JOE BIDEN "STUMBLES". HE SEEMS TO HAVE A LOT OF WIT AN WISDOM IN HIS STATEMENTS.
IT'S LIKE AN ALTER EGO WHERE WHAT OTHERS ARE THINKING COMES OUT HIS MOUTH.

WHO WANTS THE ISRALI/ PALISTIAN CONFLICK TO CONTINUE? I REALLY SEE NO BENEFIT TO ANYONE HERE OR ABROAD EXCEPT THE JEWISH PEOPLE IT'S A CON GAME AND WE ARE THE SUCKERS. FOLLOW THE MONEY.

Posted by: sm98yth | March 10, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

The time for viewing, and treating, Israel as a special friend to America has long come to an end. We need to realize that Israeli governments blow sweet nothings in your ear while emptying our pockets. Cut them slack for their misdeeds and they subject you to a public rape. Complain, and these thugs and gangsters will sing you a worn out, 60 year old dirge of themselves as victims.

After years of Bush-Cheney sucking up to this parasite, Obama should now take every member of our sorry State Department that has endured and/or supported Israeli actions over the past 40 years, park their sorry butts in front of the bulldozers and cranes building settlements on Palestinian land, and dare the Israelis to kill an American. Then we could have a nice little war, and drive these bums back to the land they tried to grab through terrorism, and were subsequently given, illegally.

The Middle East, and America, is far better off with a non-assertive, non-militant and non-aggressive Israel than the infected scab we have allowed to grow these past many years. VP Biden's plight is just another example we must take to heart.

Posted by: joachim1 | March 10, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Small wonder ! With AIPAC controlling 50% of our congressmen and both political parties. Can't wait for the war so I can say " I told you so " LOL

Posted by: hhkeller | March 10, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

The time has come for President Obama and the U.S. to get serious with these stubborn, obstinacy, Zeitgeist Zionist occupiers who coveted the Land of Canaan-Palestine. The U.S. has acted with patience and reason but the intransigent Zionists stiffen their necks and continue to perpetrate atrocities and genocide against the unarmed palestinian people. Therefore the time has come for America to use force to drive the Zionist JHVH worshippers back behind the 1967 borders. President Obama must re-deploy the American army in Iraq to Jordan and the West bank and enforce U.N. resolutions 242 and 338. The Zionist Israelis must be forced to heel and obey United Nation mandates or suffer the consequences of their rogue Nation behavior.

Posted by: ODDOWL | March 10, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

How does a plan to build apartments that will be dismantled anyway in a final settlement stand in the way of negotiating for a final settlement?

The only way to guarantee that those apartments will be built and stay in place is for the Palestinians to continue not to negotiate.

Perhaps, the Palestinians have other fish to fry, and they are not really interested in a two state solution.

The Palestinians always seem to have something that stands in their way to accepting a deal....

Posted by: captn_ahab | March 10, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

The Israelis pretty much have no respect for Obama nor Biden. Take a guess at why?

The two clowns in the executive branch didn't see that coming like they didn't see Iran changing their ways after Obama's frank & open "dialog" with them.

How do you think Israel feels about what Iran has stated it would like to do to Isreal and what it is up to these days?

Do really you think the Israelis give a rats a-$ about what Biden says when they get little support out of the administration when it comes to Iran?

The Administration has suceeded where no one else has in the past. We now are hated & distrusted on both sides of the middle east issue and it will only lead us further away from peace.

Posted by: porchfan | March 10, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Surely you must mean Bush fell into Mid-east trap a trillion dollars and hundreds of thousands of lives later. No? NeoCons still can't come clean.

Posted by: chucky-el | March 10, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

The writer emphasizes that Biden should not allow the settlements to take center stage but i don't see that he had much choice, since facts on the ground determines the feasibility of a Palestinian state. Moreover, i am sure Palestinians would have insisted that Biden address the illegal settlements whether he wanted to or not, since it is the theft of their land.

Wonder how the writer and the die hard Israeli supporters would react if people from overseas immigrated to the US and stole their homes and land, and begin ethnic cleansing their relatives and neighbors to accommodate other immigrants from overseas. Wonder if they would then consider the settlements to be a minor issue.

Posted by: marge9 | March 10, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

And this is one of the reasons why HRC SHOULD have gotten the nomination, which she would have won....

Obama has shown us that he is basically all hype. He latched onto the "universal healthcare" mantra that Clinton promised - and I've no doubt, would have delivered - along with a few other positive phrases and sound-bytes which garnered him the support he needed to win the election.

But to what avail? Obama is like a wisp of smoke - a puff of hot air that changes direction with the wind. Instead of solid convictions, Obama holds up his thumb to gage which way the [political] winds are blowing before he does anything.

Which brings me to Joe Biden. An awesome, if not sometimes pesky Senator, but a not-so-great VP. Biden has ALWAYS had a problem with his narcissistic mouth that seems to get him into trouble on a recurring basis.

So this example is merely another notch in Biden's belt of regrettable gaffes. And although a wiser VP choice than Obama's Republican opponent, still not the best choice a presidential candidate could make.

Isn't it time for publicly-financed campaigns, so that money doesn't dominate the political game?

Oh, wait, wasn't that yet another of Obama's seemingly forgotten campaign promises?

Sometimes you get what you pay for...and sometimes you get gypped. Methinks the American public got gypped in a two-fer this time around.

Posted by: kentuckywoman2 | March 10, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

If Diehl's statement that Israel has long set traps for visiting American officials on the settlement issue, then I find his and all the other criticism of Biden tough to accept. Diehl and everyone else that thinks Biden was wrong to react fail to answer a basic question. Just when should the US make clear it has had enough? It is one thing for Israel to say it is its prerogative, not the US's, to create additional settlements. It is another to do so when the second highest ranking political figure is visiting in an effort to start peace negotiations. Again, if Diehl's reporting is correct about the past "traps," then three prior administrations have shown restraint and discretion. It has not worked, so may be it is time for a new approach.

Posted by: kermit5 | March 10, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Biden is a big-mouthed idiot, what else is new. Sending him to the MIddle East was insane.

Since the failure of the Clinton Accords, during which the Israeli people negotiated under weekly (and twice weekly) terror, the faith in peace has diminished. Realistically, unless they were insane, Israelis would have had to know they could not trust the Palestinians.

They negotiated in good faith as their children were murdered by suicide bombers. When the deal had been struck and Palestinians would have gotten 97 per cent of what they requested, they began an intifada.

The leftist Barak government had no choice but to fight back, and that that. The left moved to the moderate center, although there is still a left, and the moderates moved to the right.

Throughout the "peace" process, Netanyahu and Likud had repeatedly warned that the process was a fiction, had, in fact, published Palestinian Jew hating schoolbooks, etc., but no one believed them,

After the Palestinians began their intifada, those who did not believe felt duped. They have not forgotten. They never will.

If Palestinians had kept faith, or had ever negotiated in faith, there would have been for several years now, a Palestinian state.

As the Saudis said at the time, and I don't usually quote the Saudis, "The Palestinians never lose an opportunity to lose an opportunity."

Now the religious right has grown from a fringe group in the eighties to a force. This is quite new for Israel, but extremists, including extremists, are quite real.

Every time something stupid occurs, such as Biden's extremely stupid remarks, new extremists are born.

EVERY time. The situation is volatile.

Every time Jews are attacked in the Diaspora, those attacks are now reported in Israel. That was not the case before. The antisemitic attacks that have brought thousands of French Jews to Israel has forced the Israeli media to start reporting the truth.

EVERy time. Best advice: Keep people notorious for having a BIG mouth at home.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

When we pull out of Iraq completely next year and then start so in Afghanistan, the splodeydopes will once again focus on Israel. America has given Israel a break since 2003. Be ready.

Posted by: tjhall1 | March 10, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Biden and Obama are a joke! And where is the Secretary of State?
What hidden location is Obama keeping her pinned down at?

Now the Congress has decided to legislate the troops out of Afghanistan!!

This whole Democrat controlled government is out of control and insane!!


Posted by: jjcrocket2 | March 10, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

kermit5 is correct. We've ignored Israel's treatment of the Palestinians for years and it hasn't brought peace. We've sent billions and billions in aid and we've vetoed UN resolutions. Maybe it's time to try a new approach? We can't continue to put the American name on the things Israel does to the Palestinians.

By the way, if Netanyahu didn't want a housing announcement like this one, he shouldn't have put Shas people in charge of housing policy. Put in extremists and get out extremism.

Posted by: davestickler | March 10, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

It is so outrageous that we continue to support this criminal, thocracy wgaing war for 60 years on the lawful peoples of the lands theu so covet! At the minimum we need to withdraw all military and economic support for this terrorist regime of intolerance and hatred; a moral position would be to demand the withdrawal of all support by all nations, the removal and destruction of all nulclear weapons and enrichment facilities, and complete and unconditional compliance with all UN resolutions. This pariah state cannot continue to ignore basic decency, basic morality, or international law; and America must stop protecting this state!

Posted by: Chaotician | March 10, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

If Israel and the Palestinians really wanted Peace, they would work together towards that process. They don't need the U.S., or any other country to help them to accomplish that small feat; unless of course, they are prejudiced against one another.

Israeli's and Palestinian's know exactly what they are doing and that's to continue pissing each other off.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | March 10, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse


Aren't the Israelis cute? SUCH a splendid civilization. Such clever tricks.

Thumbing their noses at America
AND THE WORLD by playing their little announcement games? Nasty, ugly, sneering.

IT SO clearly explains history.
And the increasing disgust of Americans paying anythhing to this
pariah nation.

Jackson Diehl, of course, thought it was
clever 'statesmanship. And blamed Biden!


Posted by: whistling | March 10, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

We've been watching the middle-east antics for 60-odd years now and I'm sick to tears of it. Nothing ever changes! Those people are all cousins and all they want to do is kill one another. For god's sakes, enough already! Give both sides enough ammunition and bombs to annihilate themselves and then publicly goad them to go at it. Either they will or both sides will blink and they won't, but let's get the U.S. out of it either way. Nothing will ever be resolved in that god-forsaken place until they annihilate one another or learn to get along, but no one, and I mean no one, from anywhere else is going force a solution on them. Let them slaughter one another if that's what they want to do, in God's name or whomever else's! Who cares? Let them blast each other to smithereens for all I care. I don't ever want to read about Israel or Palestine ever again.

Posted by: flintston | March 10, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

"This was, of course, a deliberate provocation."

And so was this entire editorial. Jackson Diehl, like his colleague Charles Krauthammer, employs numerous logical fallacies in every piece he writes. In the guise of information, these provocateurs instead deliver manipulation. And the Post loves it because the message boards begin filling up and the website gets eyeballs. I suggest breaking the cycle -- don't comment when these hacks do their weekly trolling. Let the Post know that you want real information, not propaganda. We've already got Dick Cheney and Karl Rove and the rest of the loyal Bush gang whenever we want a dose of the latter.

Posted by: obeah | March 10, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Dear Sirs,
It was President Reagan, not Obama, who placed a wreath at a Nazi cemetery in Bitburg, Germany!
It was Jeanne Kirkpatrick, not Obama, who blistered Israel for bombing saddam Hussein's nuclear power plant!
It was Oliver North, not Obama, who sold arms to Ahminejad's mentor, Ayatollah Khomeni!
Proud?
Clifford Spencer

Posted by: yankeefan1925 | March 10, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone suppose that the Israeli's actions could in any way be a response to Obama's sucking up to the Muslims?--

Posted by: Skerns0301 | March 10, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse


Why did it take America, gullible accepting America,
so long to figure out what every other nation, in every century has figured out sooner?

Now, we know. A final straw, loud and clear, about what Israel is. The stupid defenders of everything Israel on this post notwithstanding.

Posted by: whistling | March 10, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Nancvytropoli wrote "Israel hardliners know the U.S. is its patsy, and they can get away with flagrant insults to the hand that feeds them. The only action that will bring Israel to the negotiating table is to hold up U.S. aid until Israel shows a commitment to the peace process. I applaud Vice President Biden for at least calling them out on their action.:
******************************************AAmen, amen

cytropli wrote "

Posted by: postDC | March 10, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

tjhall1 types:
When we pull out of Iraq completely next year and then start so in Afghanistan, the splodeydopes will once again focus on Israel. America has given Israel a break since 2003. Be ready.
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How does one make this clear? The Israeli people no longer believe that America can effect change.

Err...Could that be because they negotiated under Clinton while suffering terrorist attacks twice weekly, reaching an agreement which the Palestinians destroyed by starting an Intifada? Duh. Could that be the issue?

Too late. Get it? The Camp David Accords would have resulted in a Palestinian State that would be years old by now. Once the Intifada started, and the entire nation realized it had been deceived, it was OVER.

That would be O.V.E.R. You and Biden and your cohorts can screech all you want. IT is O.V.E.R. Done. Finished.

And every time, a bigmouth opens wide, whatever ray of hope exists, diminishes.

Every time Jews emigrate from Europe due to antisemitism, NEW Israeli EXTREMISTS are born.

America's best bet is to shut it and shut it big time.

Whatever is discussed had better be discussed quietly. Don't condemn. Don't praise. Take a trip to Israel. It is still illegal to demonstrate against the United States in Israel.

ILLEGAL. But guess what? People are demonstrating. They are getting arrested and brutally, but they are demonstrating.

THEY DON'T WANT US. Funny thing. Nobody does. I was there only last year. Nobody wants us, not in Israel, not in Egypt (where I was briefly), not in Pakistan, where I go frequently.

NOBODY wants the US. Best to keep your big AmeriChristian noses at home, where they belong.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

It is about time that America calls the destructive actions of Israel for what they are. The West Bank was not part of Israel, but was part of the capital of Palentine. Just because one relocates a group of people, it does not give justification for the continued occupation of the territory--especially when they confiscated the land from the very victims they are excluding. What now needs to happen is more restrictions on Israel. It is a shame that Israel plays the "friend" card, the "anti-terrorist" card, when they themselves are washed in the very guilt they are using as their defense.
But this does not mean we give a blanket approval to the PLO and their actions either. They both are much the same. I am not sure if one is any better than the other.

Posted by: hoosierly_yours | March 10, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Biden has been a running joke/clown in the Philly Inquirer for years with loads of laughs for the readers. Haven't you inside the beltway types been paying attention?

What else is any sane person to expect from Good Old Joe???

Posted by: PRRWRITER | March 10, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

If this kind of knee-capping came from any other regime in the world, we wouldn't tolerate it. From Israel, we're supposed to just ignore such bad behavior? No wonder they treat us like a doormat - we let them get away with it.

We have some friends in Israel, but Israel is not our friend.

Posted by: j2hess | March 10, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

What a joke of an analysis... always the onus on the other side. Israel wins all the rhetorical fights and tactics and is loosing the strategic war, while squandering all the goodwill it has traditionally enjoy. No more. Sick and tired of the whole sick joke. This drivel and Kristol, and Sally Quin! What a joke of a rag.

Posted by: josem1 | March 10, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

So, Netanyahu either orchestrated a deliberate insult of Joe Biden and the Obama regime, or else a rogue minister in his government did. As Simon Tisdall stated in today's Guardian, if Netanyahu didn't know about the announcement of the 1,600 housing units, why didn't he know. He either countenanced this insult, or he doesn't have control of his own government. In neither case does this bode well for any progress in peace negotiations.

Good for Biden that he countered an insult with an insult, and let's hope this attitude eventually results in more than just symbolic gestures. Raspberries to Diehl for suggesting that Biden should have responded to this insult by turning the other cheek and continuing to insure Israelis that we love them and their government. Raspberries also for suggesting that continuance of the settlement program does not really have a deleterious effect on a future Palestinian state.

If we are serious that there must be a viable and contiguous Palestinian state as the final result of any negotiations (as stated by Biden yesterday), and if East Jerusalem is to be the capital of such a state as the Palestinians insist, then the building of 1600 more living units in East Jerusalem is absolutely deleterious to any agreement.

The fact is that Netanyahu intends to hold on to all of East Jerusalem and, as Aluf Benn reported in September in Haaretz, all of Area "C" of the West Bank. Area "C" constitutes 60% of the West Bank. Although it contains relatively few Palestinians in line with Israeli policy to control the maximum amount of land with the minimum number of Palestinians, it contains the settlements, reserves for expansion, nature reserves, settlers-only roads, barricades and checkpoints, by which Israel effectively controls the land, water and airspace of the West Bank and confines the Palestinian population to scattered ghettoes in their own land. Israel wants to make permenant, what is in effect,the de facto status quo in the West Bank. Such an outcome would result in the permanent establishment of what Colin Powell called "a phony state that's diced into a thousand different pieces."

Most Israelis either countenance Netanyahu's goal for the West Bank, or are indifferent to it. The US has a vital self-interest in a just solution to the situation in the holy land, if we are ever to staunch popular support for Islamic extremism. Under the circumstances bambarding Israel with "love bombs" hardly constitutes a viable foreign policy. We must be prepared to join the EU in recognizing a Palestinian state in 2012, and using our $3 billion in annual military aid to Israel as a bargaining tool. If these steps are insufficient to stem Israeli intransigence,we should be prepared to use economic sanctions.

Posted by: spokanite | March 10, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

We are saying to the world our best friend Israel is the model for the world. Occupation, conquering, dividing, bombing, staving off palestinian, assassination, grabbing more land and building walls is OK. Why are we picking on countries like China on human rights issue?

Posted by: lembukong | March 10, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

What an utterly cynical opinion piece. By Diehl's logic, no American politician can safely visit Israel unless we're prepared to endorse their confiscations.

If anybody blundered it was Netanyahu - if indeed he really didn't see this coming. But in a place that small, he surely knew. The Israelis deserve condemnation at the very least. In effect they do this with our money, since money we send them for any purpose frees up their own money for their illegal confiscations and settlements.

Posted by: redant | March 10, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

The three billion we give Israel annually is a tiny fraction of its budget and can be easily made up by Israel, as reported by Haaretz and the Jerusalem post.

And as is greatly desired by the Israeli people.

We give 2.5 billion to Egypt annually. That would be the Egypt that will not permit Egyptian Palestinians to attend school and which persecutes Christians.

Where does the 2.5 billion we give Egypt go? Why, it goes into the pockets of the president pig Mubarek and his cohorts, while Egyptians are literally starving to death.

Strange AmeriChristian friends, the Egyptians. But the AmeriChristians are a peculiar people.

As for the Israelis, it is time for this country to leave them alone. We have forever played both sides against the middle. The AmeriChristians are the world's oil mongers. So they play up to the Palestinians. Not that the rest of the Middle East likes them. On the contrary, they despise them. Egypt is not alone in this.

In Saudi Arabia they are treated as "unclean," i.e., untouchables. However, that does not concern the oil mongering AmeriChristians. Oh, no.

Go to Israel. They do not want to be our "eyes and ears" anymore. They do not want the money. This has been a sore spot with the people for decades. They do not need the money.

What they need is your big AmeriChristian NOSE out of its face.

Everyone wants that. Go take a bath in your beloved oil. Keep your nose at home.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Let me put it another way. In every nonChristian country, all you hear about is the Christians and why they won't leave other nations alone.

GET OUT OF ISRAEL. GET OUT OF EGYPT. GET OUT OF PAKISTAN. GET OUT OF IRAQ. GET OUT OF AFGHANISTAN. STOP THE GENOCIDE. END THE OCCUPATION.

GET OFF THE AFRICAN CONTINENT. GET OUR OF SOUTH AMERICA. GET OUT OF THE CARIBBEAN.

GET OUT. GET OUT. GET OUT.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

But part of the trust that has been missing has been between Israel and Obama, whose poll ratings in the Jewish state plunged to the single digits at one point last year.
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Last time I check President Obama is the US president, NOT an Israeli's. To heck with poll numbers over there, they're not voting for him anyway. President Obama should be an honest broker. No favorites. That's the only way we can have a lasting peace. No peace process, no monetary, and no military aid.

Posted by: bigben1986 | March 10, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Who are we going to kid? We are Israelis' fodder.
We, you, I and each of my and your working children, are paying $8,000,000 (this is EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS) each day of our life, to Israel, and this is CASH. Another $8,000,000 (this is: another EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS DAILY in weaponry, for a "grand" total of SIXTEEN MILLION DOLLARS DAILY) are we, giving Israel out of our good heart.

Hey, you don't dare to think that that is enough for them, don’t even go that way!
They want more, and more, and mooooooooooore! They want everything! They want us to give’em the world!
And there is nothing we can do about it, neither can the rest of the world, or, we, the big USA is going to bomb their selves silly, as we'll have to do to Iran as per Israelis whim.

Yesterday, was left seen the tip of the situation; after Biden's out-of-the-blue-promise to never, never, never abandon our Israel to fight for themselves, after Biden was slapped with the notice of the 1,729 new apartments penetrating Palestinians territory in more than one meaning, came the notice to Biden that the “Israeli parlament see it as nothing short of an insult that President Obama himself is not coming."
How about that? Biden was told in his face, that he "is an insult". C’mon, don’t you love it?

Posted by: SouthStar | March 10, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

SouthStar:

We, you, I and each of my and your working children, are paying $8,000,000 (this is EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS) each day of our life, to Israel, and this is CASH. Another $8,000,000 (this is: another EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS DAILY in weaponry, for a "grand" total of SIXTEEN MILLION DOLLARS DAILY) are we, giving Israel out of our good heart.
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Wow, that's a big lie, Pinocchio. As I posted, AmeriChristians need to keep their big oil-mongering noses at home.

Israel does not need your three billion per annum. Give it to Egypt along with the two billion you currently give, which the hated president pockets.

Wow, that would be the president who persecutes Christians and will not allow Egyptian Palestinians to attend school.

But what do you care Pinocchio. Jes keep guzzlin' dat oil.

Keep out of Israel. Keep your Christobucks at home. Give it to your church. Holy moly.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

hat's the only way we can have a lasting peace. No peace process, no monetary, and no military aid.

Posted by: bigben1986 | March 10, 2010 5:1
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Last time I checked there is no military "aid."

The money is nothing, as I posted. Keep it or give it to your dictator friends. The Israeli people want an end to AmeriChristian influence, as do all people worldwide.

I have written my Congressman and Senators on this. Suggest you do the same.

Also, GET OUT of EYGPT, PAKISTAN, SOUTH AMERICA, AFRICA, THE CARIBBEAN, IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN.

END THE OCCUPATION. END THE GENOCIDE.

Keep your big AmeriChristian nose at home or give it to your Church. Holy moly. Give yourself an amen and leave the rest of the world alone.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Time to end ALL aid to that rotten, backstabbing, parasitic country.

Let the jews and arabs fight it out until they either wise up or there's none left. I'm sick of them all.

Posted by: rcubedkc | March 10, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Time to end ALL aid to that rotten, backstabbing, parasitic country.

Let the jews and arabs fight it out until they either wise up or there's none left. I'm sick of them all.

Posted by: rcubedkc
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The only parasitic country is yours, christic. Israel, as I have posted does not need your "aid" which has ended up in hundreds of deaths and maimings and is a fraction of its budget, christic.

The Israelis and Muslims can do very well without you, christic. Suggest you give your money to your church. Holy moly. Say amen and pass the oil.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

As usual, Diehl has things exactly wrong. Until the U.S. finds the backbone to stand up to Israel and its wealthy, rabid Jewish lobby, there will never be peace in the Middle East. We must cut off all financial, military and political support to the criminal nation of Israel. And for him to say that Netanyahu was blindsided by this announcement is insane. It was just another case of Israel showing its disrespect to America, knowing that it can and will get away with it.

Posted by: raygordon2008 | March 10, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

sorry joe, but when you heard about the new housing project - you should have stepped back on the plane and moved on to your next stop.

can we put an end to all foreign aid other than food and natural disasters?

Posted by: boblesch | March 10, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Well good then. Let the israeli parasites pay back all the $BILLIONS we've sent them. For a country that doesn't need our money, they sure get plenty of it.

http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/245-2008-november/3845-congress-watch-a-conservative-estimate-of-total-direct-us-aid-to-israel-almost-114-billion.html

Slimy parasites.

Posted by: rcubedkc | March 10, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

"We must use our $3 billion in annual military aid to Israel as a bargaining tool. If these steps are insufficient to stem Israeli intransigence,we should be prepared to use economic sanctions."
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Ha! We have 14 percent of Senators and countless representatives, judges, lobbyists and public indoctrination media in Zionist hands.
Why do you think Biden confeses himself publicly to be a Zionist? Why is he pukely obsequious to Netanyahu? Why they don't stop settlements doesn't matter that the whole world is hollering for it? Because if any serious individual or movement raises in America against Zionism, they are positioned to quash it, throw the head in Guantanamo and scalp the author, kill its children and take away even the gold teeth that may have, exactly as they are impunibly doing it to the Palestinians.
Biden, Hillary, Obama, and every politician knows it and because they want to keep milking up, play it dumb. Those are the victor brave valiant ones governing us, each of us know it and we feel ashamed of it, but "nothing we can do about it--we need to survive" ain't we?

Posted by: SouthStar | March 10, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden, 100% Israel supporter, just got slapped in the face after doing all the bowing and genuflecting, same stuff that all of our politicians do while visiting Israel. What a shameful disgrace, he just took it graciously. If the U.S. press only published what is going on out there, the US public would get a sampling how low down and shameless our politicians can get.

Posted by: likovid | March 10, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

The only parasites are the American parasites which are currently genociding Afghanistan, after having genocided Iraq. Said chistic parasites have also sucked the blood of Israel, using Israelis as their eyes and ears, which it has not wanted to be.

Said christic parasites "give" Israel a fraction of its budget which it can and prefers to make up on its own. Easily.

Said christics are advised to give the money to their churches. Or give it to the Vatican. The Vatican whose christic lobby legislates in Congress, has special "conscience clauses," has as its no. 2 man William Cardinal Levada, formerly the protector of the largest pedophile priest ring in America: the Salesians, formerly known as Levada's boys.

Said christics are advised to give it to the Vatican, which is now under investigation in Italy for laundering 200 million MAFIA dollars. That would be the mafia that assassinates elected Italian officials who try to stem the flow of organized crime in Italy.

Said AmeriChristic parasites are advised to keep their Christic parasite shlongs at home where said christic parasite shlongs belong.

Give it to your parasite churches, christic parasites. Say Holy Moly, cristics. Say amen and pass the oil, parasites.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Enough with the farce of Israel. They screw over millions of people who'd been living peacefully in the area for centuries and then act as if it's anti-Semitic to point it out.

Posted by: jeffwacker | March 10, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Enough with the farce of Israel. They screw over millions of people who'd been living peacefully in the area for centuries and then act as if it's anti-Semitic to point it out.

Posted by: jeffwacker
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The only screwing is that which your screaming wackoff self has been doing of the world, parasite christic.

Keep your christic nose at home and your wackoff nose in church where it belongs. Say holy moly. Pass the oil and say amen.

Keep it shut.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse


Biden is probably the only thing that is keeping Barry from taking a ... oh never mind.

Posted by: screwjob11 | March 10, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

The criminal AmeriChristian nation, in short, needs to keep its criminal Christian face out of other countries.

End the genocide in Iraq, Afghanistan. Get out of Pakistan, South America, Africa, Egypt, Israel.

Keep your money. Nobody wants you. That very much includes Israel.

Give it to the Vatican. Go to church. Keep your nose out of other nations' affairs.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired of my country and its leaders kissing Israel's a-s. Finally an American leader with at least a temporary case of cojones.

Posted by: patrick3 | March 10, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired of my country and its leaders kissing Israel's a-s. Finally an American leader with at least a temporary case of cojones.

Posted by: patrick3 |
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Long time since we've heard from your catlick self. Of course, you are interested in cajones, having none.

I wonder when we will stop giving tax exempt status to your country, the Vatican?

And it is a foreign neation, according to the United States of America. Your country, the Vatican, was recently deemed immune form a lawsuit, filed by the victims of 200 Nazi priests because the Court ruled that the VATICAN is a FOREIGN NATION.

These co-religionists of yours tortured to death tens of thousands of Serbian Orthodox, Jews , and Gypsies.

Your co-national priests cut them to pieces with scissors and watched them bleed to death. They impaled them and watched them drown. Your co-national nazi priests then deposited the money in Vatican Bank, which your co-national Pope Pius established as a repository for Nazi loot, which it still has.

Your country, the Vatican, has steadfastly refused to settle with the surviving victims and their heirs, who just lost on appeal because the Vatican was judged to be a FOREIGN NATION.

Question: When will the nazi Vatican nation return the billions it has stolen from us in the form of tax exemption?

Question: When will your pedophile nazi Vatican nation turn over the rest of its pedophile nazi priests?

Question: Will Vatican nation be imprisoned for laundering 200 million mafia dollars?

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

"Netanyahu was blindsided by this announcement"
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Zionists lie 70 percent of the time. Netanyahu lies 100 percent of the time.
Even Sharon was saying that the Bibi was a disgusting coward.
Netanyahu swore, years ago, to never stop any Israeli from grabbing Palestinian land, in any of its variations, specifically that he never was going to stop new settlements. You can read his body language.
He is firm at it.
Sorry, don't tell me he was taken by surprise. "Don't insult my intelligence." (Il Capo di tutti capi.)

Is like saying that Madoff’s brother and children did not know about his dealings.
Like saying that Letterman’s Robert Joel Halderman “thinly veiledly” “asked for some money”… getting 6 months (SIX MONTHS!) for extortion (how much would you or I get if we make a “thinly veiled threat” to get money from anybody—let alone a big cahuna?—nah, we need to convert, pronto)

Posted by: SouthStar | March 10, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

SouthStar:

Must be a slow day for child molesting. Go to your local church. No doubt your nazi cristic church will find some kiddies for you there.

Oh, of course it's all a big American conspiracy like your former lying pope said. I forgot.

Like saying you weren't really laundering the 200 million mafia dollars like you were as the Italian government has discovered. Like saying that you really didn't keep the loot deposited by your 200 Nazi priests who ran and owned concentration camps, tortured thousands to death. Except the evidence is public.

Like saying you really didn't genocide the Native Americans whom you continue to slaughter. Didn't genocide Iraq. Didn't genocide Afghanistan.

Like saying you didn't really bankrupt the nation as your AIG did. Or like your christobanks did. They would be the ones the rest of us have been bailing out.

Chritianists are notorious liars. They steel from everyone. They molest everyone, even their own children.

They are a sick, sick bunch.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

"FarnazMansouri"... e tu, bibi?
What a hardface! You lie even your name, hidding behind an Arab sounding name just to post vile, ain't ya? Firm at Maimonides doctrine to fool gentiles. Je me souviens.

Posted by: SouthStar | March 10, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"FarnazMansouri"... e tu, bibi?
What a hardface! You lie even your name, hidding behind an Arab sounding name just to post vile, ain't ya? Firm at Maimonides doctrine to fool gentiles. Je me souviens.

Posted by: SouthStar
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Why, gee, if it isn't Pope Bentdick. Moron, Farnaz Mansouri is not an Arab name.

And, illiterate, parochial, Pope Bentdick, do explain for us all what Maimonides' "doctrine" (LOL) is.

Liar, Pinocchio, and moron, too?

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Southstar, aka Pope Bentdick, let's make it easy for your moron self re Maimonides. Begin with his primary text. (Hint, moron: It's on the web.)

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

raygordon2008: "Until the U.S. finds the backbone to stand up to Israel and its wealthy, rabid Jewish lobby"
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There is not any "wealthy Jewish lobby"; they just recycle the money we give them! Already in 1963, Senator William Fulbright claimed that millions tax-deductible dollars from philanthropic Americans was being sent to Israel and then recycled back to the US for distribution to organizations seeking TO INFLUENCE PUBLIC OPINION TO GIVE MORE MONEY TO Israel.
See? The more they get, the more they get! And champs we, give them it!

Posted by: SouthStar | March 10, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Gee, Pope Bentdick, there is no Vatican Congress? There is no wealthy Catholic Lobby? There is no money going into the deprivation of choice to millions of women in the health care bill?

There is no Vatican Lobby? Gee, the Vatican was not declared a foreign nation and therefore immune to lawsuits? There are no "conscience clauses" for these foreigners lobbying in Congress?

The institutions of this foreign nation are not bizarrely tax exempt? This multi-billion dollar enterprise is not under investigation for money laundering (again) in Italy?

The Catholics have not paid nearly a billion dollars to shut up the parents of molested children?

The Christian AIG, and the Christo banks with their Kelley CEOs getting hundreds of millions in bonuses did not bankrupt the country?

And, Bentdick, your exegesis on Maimonides "doctrine" (LOL) awaited.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

firstly i quote your rules [which are, no doubt, 'copyrighted'] because they accurately describe my subject: the government of Israel or, reportedly, the vast majority of its (Jewish [? !] population), or, as it is sometimes stated, the portion of the governing coalition which constitutes the - controlling - religious right:
# VIOLATES any local, state, national, or INTERNATIONAL LAW
# contains or ADVOCATES ILLEGAL or VIOLENT ACTS
# DEGRADES OTHERS on the basis of gender, RACE, class, ETHNICITY, NATIONAL ORIGIN, RELIGION, sexual orientation, disability, or other classification
# is predatory, hateful, or INTENDED TO INTIMIDATE OR HARASS.

[Today I listened to a report about a young American woman killed by an Israeli bulldozer whose driver was under orders not to be deterred from driving over protesters against 'leveling ground to protect {Jewish ? !] Israeli citizens' from suicide bombers.

Israel has nuclear arms; refuses to sign the international pact against nuclear proliferation; teaches children to 'hate Arabs / Muslims'; occupies territory invaded militarily - in violation of numerous UN resolutions; receives more $'s from the USA for arms than any other country in the world.
Israel metaphorically 'spits in our faces' [pretty much 'actually' in the most recent case of announcing 'the building of a few modest dwellings in it' traditional Jerusalem dwelling-place' at the very moment THE VICE PRESIDENT OF OUR COUNTRY WAS IN ISRAEL TO AFFIRM OUR UNCONDITIONAL SUPPORT FOR THAT COUNTRY! a typical arrogant and destructive behavior that is only a dreary reputation.

Posted by: j34breeden | March 10, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

"Nobody wants you. That very much includes Israel."

Yet there we stand, astride the world like a colossus. And they all keep sending us these silly invitations for state visits. No doubt this too shall pass. In the meantime, what Farnaz Mansouri has to say about it matters not a whit. Feel powerless, Farnaz? You are powerless. So are we. There's no going back, it seems. The world is interdependent Farnaz. We all need each other.

Posted by: fzdybel | March 10, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

FarnazMansouri HARDFACE!
He dares to talk about pedophilia!!!???
"William Cardinal Levada, formerly the protector of the largest pedophile priest ring in America: the Salesians, formerly known as Levada's boys."
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When a NY Assembly member Dov Hikind said that thousands of orthodox Jews victims have come to his office in a steady stream to tell their stories, he said. "Abusive teachers and rabbis in the schools," he said. "Pedophiles on the streets. Incest in the home." (And added: "I prefer to go 100 years to jail than to name names" and GOT AWAY WITH IT! What a Justice!)

Look here: http://theawarenesscenter.blogspot.com/ Look at OLD CASES too.

So, you hardface, wash your mouth with bleach before mentioning Christ, not even as a prefix, for you it is too much purity, exceedingly much for you, your morals and your caste-you can get sick(er).

Posted by: SouthStar | March 10, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

"Like saying you didn't really bankrupt the nation as your AIG did."
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WHAT???
Maurice Greenberg was AIG CEO/co-owner (Also owner of the "private spy agency", Kroll Associates) who abused the whole derivative business and almost destroyed the whole earth's economy!

Like everything you guys touch, you erect up mud castles, just to soil the whole world when the mudslide comes down.

Plis, pli-pli-pli, go to the bathroom, make pipi, and to to sleep, you immature classic Zionist.

Posted by: SouthStar | March 10, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

"Like saying you didn't really bankrupt the nation as your AIG did."
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WHAT???
Maurice Greenberg was AIG CEO/co-owner (Also owner of the "private spy agency", Kroll Associates) who abused the whole derivative business and almost destroyed the whole earth's economy!

Like everything you guys touch, you erect up mud castles, just to soil the whole world when the mudslide comes down.

Plis, pli-pli-pli, go to the bathroom, make pipi, and to to sleep, you immature classic Zionist.

Posted by: SouthStar | March 10, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Vice President Biden uses the settlements to keep the media away of the true reason why he is in Israel: to seriously talk about the Iran Nuclear program. Every American visiting Israel wants to be reassured that Israel will not take military action unilateraly against Iran Nuclear sites. Biden preaches patience and multilaterality and doesn't want to talk openly about military action: President Obama needs time to understand better Iran's intentions. Settlements are a good umbrella.

Posted by: domagaya | March 10, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Salesians Hold World Record for Pedophile Priests -- Guest Writer Joey Piscitelli Lists Their Names and Connections to William Levada

The Salesians Clergy of California have shattered the World Record for the most accused child molesters in one area, by a landslide. There is no religious order in the world that we know of that is even remotely close in the number of accused molesters. And the list is growing. At latest count, there are 21 local (California) Salesians accused and/or convicted pedophiles, 19 of them named as child molesters in lawsuits! This tally is so far off the charts.

The following Salesians have been accused of sex crimes in California, including abuse, molestation, rape, sodomy, lewd and lascivious conduct, felony child abuse, copulation, and sexual deviation: Fr. Larry Lorenzoni, Fr. Richard Presenti, Fr. Bernard Dabbenne, Fr. Steve Whelan, Bro. Sal Billante, Bro. Jesse Dominguez, Fr. Jim Miani, Fr. Harold Danielson, Bro. Mark Epperson, Fr. Mario Blanco, Bro. Anthony Juarez, Bro. Ernie Martinez, Fr. Emanual Palayo, Fr. Juan Sanchez, Bro. John Verhart, Fr. Fleming, Fr. Al Mengon, Bro. John Vas, Bro. Ralph Murguia, Bro. Dan Pacheco, and Mr. Sam Vitone.

Cardinal William Levada shielded and covered for so many Salesian accused molesters that victims of the Salesians have nicknamed the Salesian pedophiles -"Levada's Boys". Still, Levada has shown no shame or remorse, nor has he apologized.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Continued:

Several of the Salesian criminal record holders were shielded in San Francisco by Cardinal Levada himself. According to court testimony, Levada promoted Salesian molester, Fr. Bernard Dabbenne, to a top position for the West Coast, after a witness complained that Dabbenne had molested him. Dabbenne was later convicted when he was caught in the act of molestation by the SF Police.

Fr. Steve Whelan, was kept in ministry, with children, after Levada was told Whelan was being sued for child abuse. Whelan was found guilty by court trial, while he was still in active ministry with children.

Another Salesian friend of Cardinal Levada, Fr. Larry Lorenzoni, is an accused serial molester, and is scheduled to go on trial next month.

Fr. Larry Lorenzoni is known as a famous writer, and has penned a well known phrase that the Salesians are proud of:

"The average person, thinks he isn't". (As in, the average person thinks he isn't average. . . . clever)

Now, to this famous accused Salesian serial abuser, Fr. Lorenzoni, I dedicate this new phrase:

"The average Salesian molester, claims he isn't".

Many of these Salesians are accused serial molesters, and even when convicted and found guilty by courts and jury trials, they continue to deny wrongdoing. Many of the confirmed Salesian molesters were transferred after reports of abuse against them were made.

Maybe it is the disgrace of being the World Record Holder accused clergy molesters that has made the Salesians of California the angry, unremorseful group they are today, or perhaps the lawsuits with countless victims.

In any case, many of these men are still around locally. The bottom line is, California Beware!

I would definitely recommend keeping your children away from this World Record Holder serial sexual predator group, the Salesian Religious Order. The list does not need to expand any more than it is already.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Pope Southstar Bentdick,

Pope Bentdick Southstar,

If you want to worship a dead Jew on a stick, I have no problem with that. It's when your foreign cristic nation sets loose child molesters on the streets of America that I have a problem.

I don't hold with child rape of Catholics, believe me. And I believe that you child molesters should be in jail along with Levada who lied under oath and obstructed justice. Instead your holiness, Bentdick, made him no. 2 man in the Vatican, overseeing pedophile nazi priests cases worldwide.

You want to incest your children? Molest them? Rape them?

You want to be a foreign nation, torture Serbain Orthodox to death, Jews, Gypsies and keep the loot? Then you want to launder 200 million mafia dollars, Bentdick? Then you want tax exemptions, Necrophiliac? Legislate in Congress? Bankrupt the nation?

Seems like a lot. Keep your priest rapists off the street.

And what follows only concerns California, not the rest of the World, Dead Jew on a Stick worshiper.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Boy, it's not like we don't have something we could do at home with the $3 billion we give to Israel each year.

Posted by: BBear1 | March 10, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

"Nobody wants you. That very much includes Israel."

Yet there we stand, astride the world like a colossus. And they all keep sending us these silly invitations for state visits. No doubt this too shall pass. In the meantime, what Farnaz Mansouri has to say about it matters not a whit. Feel powerless, Farnaz? You are powerless. So are we. There's no going back, it seems. The world is interdependent Farnaz. We all need each other.

Posted by: fzdybel
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Powerless? No, not at all. Powerless is being called by the hospital to have them tell you that your seven-year-old was mauled by three Catholic parochial school girl thugs.

Powerless is watching, as a child, a dear family friend dragged from your house and murdered, as his blood spattered on your clothes.

Powerful is when you get your hands on the parents of the school girl thugs. Powerful is when you enroll your daughter in self-defense classes and find that she can take more than good care of herself.

Powerless is when Catholic Steven Morgan murders Johanna Justin Jinich, a co-ed working in the campus bookstore, murders her because she is Jewish.

Powerful is when your now ten-year-old intervenes in the bullying of another little girl, bullying by thugs from the same Catholic school, and learning, when they did not listen to her, attacked her, that she sprained the arms of two of them.

Powerful is when the thug parents threatened to sue you, threatened your child, etc., and you, who have never sued anyone are besieged by lawyers who initiate a suit on their own.

Was persuaded by the one who said, "These people know one thing. Money."

Powerful is knowing that Israel, Egypt, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, South America, Africa, etc., will get you out of their face.

Powerful.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse


Boy, it's not like we don't have something we could do at home with the $3 billion we give to Israel each year.

Posted by: BBear1 | March 10, 2010 7:36 PM
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Give it to the Vatican for the reasons I posted above. Add it to the two and one half billion we give to Mubarak so that he can use it to line his pockets.

Kill more Iraqis, Afghanis, et al. Genocide more Indians.

Keep your money. Keep your nose at home. G

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

FarnazMansouri pal, why don't you go to a therapist? We're busy here; we cannot help your anal obsession.
Tell me; I wont tell anybody; was your first gentle? Did it buy you an ice-cream at least? Has he called you again? Or simply the bad-bad-one hasn't? Don't worry, as the TV star Rabbi David Kaye of "How to catch a predator" said "I just wanted to be good friend with him" about his 13 y/o target, the intention is what is important. You can talk to me; was your Rabbi "eloquent"?

Posted by: SouthStar | March 10, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

"... be in jail along with Levada who lied under oath and obstructed justice"
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I see; tell me about this Levada guy; I haven't heard of him.
Is he tall?
Is he handsome? Is he with burning black-night eyes?
What kind of pants he use? Blue jeans? Tight blue-jeans? Tell me. C'mon.
Describe this, sorry, describe to me your Levada. Please, do it. Do it! DO IT!

Posted by: SouthStar | March 10, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

This tale is becoming "tasteless ". Chaucer might have called it "The tale that never ends " The problem is though that Obama looks like a puppet manipulated by Israel on a string. The other problem is
that the Palestinian people have become "errant "like the jews before them.
Never mind if Biden fell into the usual Israeli trap. It is not important. It is only a tiny part of the tale. Let us go to
what matters shall we. Enough is enough.
The tale began in 1947 . It is mow 63 years old ! It can go on for another 50 if
a U.S president does not decide to DRAW A
LINE IN THE SAND ONCE AND FOR ALL. Step
your foot down Mr President. It is by the
way your chance to go down in history as a
Great President. Dont ask Israel if they would eventually agree to the creation of a Palestinian state. Just tell them you want it. With Israel diplomacy did not work and never will. Nor even "Talleyrand"
would get them to bulge. Remenber Napoleeon ? Of course you do. Remenber Washington ? Of Course. Well these two people would put their foot down on the
problems and get rid of them. In other words stop asking Israel for anything. Just tell them DO THIS.They will comply
because without U.S help they are likely to become Errant Jews again.

Posted by: jeanpierregamet | March 10, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Southstar Bentick, SJ.

FarnazMansouri pal, why don't you go to a therapist? We're busy here; we cannot help your anal obsession.
Tell me; I wont tell anybody; was your first gentle? Did it buy you an ice-cream at least? Has he called you again? Or simply the bad-bad-one hasn't? Don't worry, as the TV star Rabbi David Kaye of "How to catch a predator" said "I just wanted to be good friend with him" about his 13 y/o target, the intention is what is important. You can talk to me; was your Rabbi "eloquent"?
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Southstar, sorry that you have had a bad day hunting children to molest. Did the last one scream too loud? Did your dead Jew on a stick, the one you wear around your neck scrape his little face?

You can tell us. Don't worry, we won't tell anyone.

Why don't you ask Bishop O'Connor to let you watch the next time he grabs an altar boy?
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We're busy here. Get lost, moron Bentdick. Take your craniorectal disorder to the hospital. Get back on your thorazine ans say a few Hail Whatevers. Perhaps, that will help.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Southstar,

RE: William Cardinal Levada.

I posted on him. Pasted a script by one of his victims.

Levada bankrupted the San Francisco Archdiocese protecting pedophile priests. Had done the same in Portland. And worse.
He walked in on a child molestation scene, shut the door and walked out.

He lied under oath and obstructed justice. He was rewarded by the present pope, named no. 2 man in the Vatican. He is now in charge of complaints of priest molestation worldwide. It is to him that disaffected Anglican clergy apply.

This is a scandal all over Europe and elsewhere. It is all over the web. Of course, the Catholic media has kept it out of the press here, for the most part. Still, Catholics of conscience will not let it die.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is getting set-up as the scapegoat and fall guy. Virtually every word out of his mouth has been scripted by the White House.

This way Obama & Company can antagonize the Jews in Israel while providing an excuse to the Jewish voters in America. Just blame it on Biden.

Obama is preventing the Jewish state from attacking Iran and doing everything he can to gain favor with Islamic nations, even if he has to sacrifice Biden to keep liberal Jews in his corner politically.

Posted by: alance | March 10, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

FarnazMansouri: I've learned the other day why, and your attitude confirms it, that in your religious celebrations is strictly prohibited to let free a gas! It bones up everybody!
Coming to think of it, does it have something to see with your Palestinians Holocaust? Are they very provocative for you, and then... nothing? Is that it?
Please, enlight.

Posted by: SouthStar | March 10, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

The US condemns these settlements. Seems pretty straightforward, what don't you get?

Posted by: lanfang | March 10, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Biden, Hillary, Mitchell, I am losing track of who is speaking for the United States.

Here's what I am more interested in: Biden's statement that Palestinians "deserved an independent state with contiguous territory..."

How exactly do we propose to connect the West Bank and Gaza?

Posted by: Curmudgeon10 | March 10, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the most important thing here is for Biden to speak the truth for the public to hear. Which he did.

Posted by: mtolincoln | March 10, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

@ alance "This way Obama & Company can antagonize the Jews in Israel"
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I've learned long long time ago, that is not such a thing as "antagonize Jews": that is a trap; they play at "good cop/bad cop", waiting for the innocent gentile to comment on the "antagonist" Jewish; usually those comments are sincere criticism, which is immediately conveyed to the "antagonist" and "sanitized" from then on, leaving too, subtle bad consequences for the gentile. Biden case on file.
So, don't we waste time in hoping to make any progress in penetrating the steely Israeli conscience and obtain ME Peace through process.
As it was said before, we should concentrate in spreading the word of mouth about the abuse of our US Taxpayers' dollars by these ungrateful “friends”, individual by individual demanding our congressperson to shrink our involvement in this absurd, primitive and inhumane Jewish/Muslim war. The little we gain, alwasy would be better than what we have now, getting crazy and crazier with this nonsensical conversion to a religious obsessed society.
By this scale, Jackson Diehl's criticism of Biden is a demonstration of what I say. While playing exactly into weasels' hands fracturing US.
Unless Biden, the publicly confessed Zionist, saw this and wanted to play along with his pals, "excusing himself up" in a couple of days adding two or three U$ Billion$ aid, which would not surprise me.

Posted by: SouthStar | March 10, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Farnesh Mansouri criticized catholics while forgetting that Mohammad married and raped a nine year old girl, his favorite, Aisha.
Back to the real topic, we all pray for Obozo's health through his 1 term,as Biden is one heartbeat from power.

Posted by: carlbatey | March 10, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Farnesh Mansouri criticized catholics while forgetting that Mohammad married and raped a nine year old girl, his favorite, Aisha.
Back to the real topic, we all pray for Obozo's health through his 1 term,as Biden is one heartbeat from power.

Posted by: carlbatey | March 10, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Farnesh Mansouri criticized catholics while forgetting that Mohammad married and raped a nine year old girl, his favorite, Aisha.
Back to the real topic, we all pray for Obozo's health through his 1 term,as Biden is one heartbeat from power.

Posted by: carlbatey
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Actually, I could not care less about Catholics, in the main. I care about bigotry, racism hypocrisy, the shenanigans of the Vatican, child molestation.

Funny thing is that the Catholics, the worst among them, crawl right out of the woodwork whenever anything anywhere has to do with Jews. Funny thing.

Anyone wishing to worship the image of a dead Jew on a stick is free to do so IMHO. Just leave the rest of us alone.
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As for the Prophet, I am indifferent. Am actually indifferent to Catholicism as well. Again, I don't suffer morons, liars, and racists well.

I am not a Muslim.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I applaud Joe Biden for condemning this pariah, apartheid state that displays complete disrespect to the country who writes their multi billion dollar welfare checks year after year -- as they ethnically cleanse their native inhabitants and thumb their noses at our leaders.

When will we cut this unethical, immoral, band of nazis off the umbilical cord?

ENOUGH!

Posted by: Independent11 | March 10, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

"Over the years U.S. envoys from Baker to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice have learned that the trick is to sidestep such broadsides, expressing disapproval without allowing the toxic settlement issue to take center stage and derail peace negotiations."

Obviously, this doesn't work. Kudos to Biden for his remarks. Israel also just botched an assassination while our Secretary of State was in the region, outing 26+ secret operatives in the process. We need to take a much tougher line with Israel, withholding aid and promises of protection so long as they continue this belligerent behavior. Israel is wearing out their friendship with us. Much more of this, and we will just have to cut them off completely.

Posted by: rosepetals64 | March 10, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

It is clear that the VP was intentionally set up - no doubt his propensity for "speaking off the cuff" was factored into the equation when the choice of who to humiliate was taken. In any event, the insult provided Netanyahu a trifecta: throw a bone to the religious zealots he needs to keep his coalition together, throw another obstacle in the path of peace talks, and to demonstrate yet again his contempt for those who guarantee the security of his country. He has thrown down the gauntlet - either the President acquiesces and in so doing loses all credibility in the Islamic world, or he does nothing and allows Israel to behave with impunity, encouraging other countries to do the same. Retaliation, unless it is a symbolic non-veto in the security council at some future point, is hard to imagine. Any sort of payback will simply be met with the accusation of "anti-semitism"". While this administration can at times certainly be naive, it is hard to believe that even Israel is capable of this level of chutzpah. I suppose when you are able to see yourself only as a victim, everything looks like a threat.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/i-saw-israeli-bulldozer-kill-rachel-corrie-1919464.html

Posted by: onemoreexpat | March 10, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Israeli settlements are a LAND GRAB because the settlers and the Israeli government have no intention of ever allowing these settlers to live under Palestinian rule in the event that a "Palestinian state" would be allowed to emerge. It is not Palestinians who have insisted that the new Palestinian state be Judenrein, it is Israelis.

Its hard to understand why Israelis are so intransigent on this point, especially given that the only sort of Palestinian state that they would permit to come into being would be something along the lines of the "Protectorate of Moravia and Bohemia," the kind of semi-sovereign entity that must ask permission to sneeze.

Posted by: whitecornerback | March 10, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

I applaud Joe Biden for condemning this pariah, apartheid state that displays complete disrespect to the country who writes their multi billion dollar welfare checks year after year -- as they ethnically cleanse their native inhabitants and thumb their noses at our leaders.

When will we cut this unethical, immoral, band of nazis off the umbilical cord?

ENOUGH!

Posted by: Independent11
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I wonder if you have not confused Israel with your own Nazi country, nazi. That would be the nazi country in which you are currently genociding the remainder of the indigenous population, nazi.

But to whom am I writing, nazi. The VaticanNazi empire representative, no doubt.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

We need to take a much tougher line with Israel, withholding aid and promises of protection so long as they continue this belligerent behavior. Israel is wearing out their friendship with us. Much more of this, and we will just have to cut them off completely.

Posted by: rosepetals64
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You are hilarious, really. The US protect Israel? LOL. The US has caused hundreds, perhaps more, deaths and maimings of Israelis than any other nation or illness.

The US, depends heavily on Israel for intelligence and always has. It is what you christics use it for.

Here's the thing. Let go. We pay billions in taxes for security. If you get bombed, maimed, so be it.

Stop this ridiculous "aid" of a fraction of Israel's budget and get your big christic nose out.

Defend your own fat christic arse.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Peace negotiations, what a joke! I should live so long to see it.

Posted by: theFieldMarshall | March 10, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Diehl is a zionist propagandist
They copy and paste from AIPAC manuals.
They cheered us into the the phony war in Iraq, applauded torture, deregulation, spying on Americans, secret prisons, etc.
Watch how the israel lobby is pushing the US to war with iran, the result will be america's demise and china becoming superpower.
The Washington Post needs to get rid of the NEOCONs representing Israel's apartheid regime and replace them with people who put the best interests of America first.

Posted by: MumboJumboo | March 10, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Notice how dihel blames Biden and not apartheid israeli regime. If the USfor some reason goes to war against apartheid israel, guess who "free american media" will route for?

Posted by: MumboJumboo | March 10, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Notice how dihel blames Biden and not apartheid israeli regime. If the USfor some reason goes to war against apartheid israel, guess who "free american media" will route for?

Posted by: MumboJumboo | March 10, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Biden. He is the last person that should be sent on a diplomatic mission. He can't say three sentences without his foot in his mouth. Where is Hillary? I think she is distancing herself from this bunch. What an incompetent administration.

Posted by: delusional1 | March 10, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

"Actually, I could not care less about Catholics, in the main. I care about bigotry, racism hypocrisy, the shenanigans of the Vatican, child molestation."
Posted by: FarnazMansouri
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You know Farnaz, (You share a first name with my cousin! Dourood bar shomah. :D) I used to criticize you a lot, but after reading this, I now realize that we share a lot more in common than I ever imagined. We both dislike bigotry, racism, and hypocrisy.

My apologies to you - I always thought you hated Persians and Iran for some reason, but perhaps I was reading too much into your posts and drawing incorrect conclusions.

While I'm not sure what you are, I'm not religious at all, so please don't take any of my posts as being anti-Semitic. But I am very nationalistic when it comes to the country of my ancestry.

Blah blah blah, enough rambling from me.

Posted by: ClandestineBlaze | March 10, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Notice how dihel blames Biden and not apartheid israeli regime. If the USfor some reason goes to war against apartheid israel, guess who "free american media" will route for?

Posted by: MumboJumboo
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Notice how this islamic shows up routinely to spew islamic filth. Why not tell us about your islamic, woman killing, apartheid nazi country.

We'd love to know. Oh and Jumbo? How come Israel is the only country in the Middle East where Muslims can vote freely in elections, choose their own candidates, etc.?

Get lost. Eat some bacon. Stop killing women, gays, et al.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

ClandestineBlaze,

I am Persian, Iranian. I do not hate my country. I weep for it.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

The USG has been and continues to be trapped by lobbyists from Wall Street, from K Street, and from Hollywood and Vine.

When will these lobbists put America in AIPAC?

Posted by: whocares666 | March 10, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

"ClandestineBlaze,

I am Persian, Iranian. I do not hate my country. I weep for it.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri"
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Thanks, for that. I appreciate it. We are both one in the same. And yes, there is much to weep about Iran with regards to how it was completely hijacked by irrational nutjobs, to put it kindly.

It will all change, soon. I just get upset when people talk about either an Israeli or American invasion / bombing campaign. I still have a lot of relatives there. I wouldn't know how I would feel if an airstrike took out my relatives out there.

At the same time, I am pretty sure that's how the average Israeli feels every day, always worrying about a bomb taking their family out. So, I don't really blame them. Let's just hope that things change without much bloodshed.

You have my respect.

~Kamyar

Posted by: ClandestineBlaze | March 10, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Obama sent his scout out because he no clue.
Biden was the scout who had no clue.
Biden gets shot full of arrows.
Obama and biden still have no clue!
Anybody worried??

Posted by: thornegp2626 | March 10, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

The USG has been and continues to be trapped by lobbyists from Wall Street, from K Street, and from Hollywood and Vine.

When will these lobbists put America in AIPAC?

Posted by: whocares666
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Absolutely. We have been bankrupted by the christobanks and their CEOs like Kelley who is paying himself twenty million in bonuses. Christic AIG, etc., bankrupted the world and caused a worldwide depression.

The Christic companies that now own the film industry give us drek in the cinema.

Add to them the VaticaNazi bankroll, Catholic Court, Christic Congress, Chrstic Executive branch and your almost there.

When will we get the NaziChristic lobby out of Congress, out of the presidency, out of the Court.

Not to mention this Christic WaPo, the Christic Times, Christic WSJ, etc.

ChristoNazis abounding. Worldwide. Like an infection, or infestation.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I think the point of the article is not that Biden is a fool, but that he forgot something about Israelis (and undoubtedly other mideasterners) which is not something obvious from applying commonsense notions of fair play. The name of the game is shock behavior which then results in one gaining respect for a tiny adversary. It's a toddler biting you in the arm when you least expected it. From weakness, their game is to make a buffoon of strength. Watch the slapstick comedies. It's all there.

One famous situation (but it was told me by my boss, who was born a Sabra in pre-1947 Israel) was the one where the British weren't moving fast enough to grant independence. A couple of British soldiers "went missing" there. The Israelis had killed them and stored them in a meat locker. When the British passed through Jerusalem or some city like that on parade, as they turned the corner, there were their comrades, hanging like pinatas across the street.

It's Animal House, that kind of "shock the pants off the buttoned down snob" kind of thing. And Biden has (after his ridiculous statements of love for the Holy Land - from their standpoint) been treated to a custard pie. Which is better than seeing American soldiers (or Navy men) strung across the street.

Posted by: musings | March 10, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Mr Biden is right. I don't want to be impolite but we have to stop warranting the Jew state to continue violating the international law. This is maybe what's different with this Administration. Finally Democrats have to stand up with their values and defending them they will defend all of us all the way... So I strongly disagree with the views of Mr. Diehl.

Posted by: jherrera1 | March 10, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Kamyar,

You should read Haaretz regularly. It is the leftwing Israeli newspaper, but also read the Jerusalem Post.

When Nejad threatens Israel, Netanyahu thumps his chest. I cannot believe that Nejad would be so stupid as to attack Tel Aviv, and neither does Nejad. Haaretz has reported time and again that this is mutual chest thumping, not at all unusual in the region, as you should know.

I don't know what will happen in Iran. The simple fact is that regardless of what we hear in the Western media, many people love Nejad. He is a simple fanatic. Unlike the Supreme Leader, he is not financially corrupt. He cares about the poor. This, I believe.

Haaretz reported that the elections were no more "fraudulent" than elections anywhere. There were no more irregularities than there are here. Nejad spoke truthfully when he said there was British and American intervention. Sad and pathetic, the Brits, who set our country on its downward spiral in the 1950s agitated again and again.

I stayed up all night through the elections barely slept. Everything I read and saw coming from the Western media winked at me, as it were. I then spent many hours doing research.

These people, the Brits and the Americans, are lying.

There is nothing more that I want than to see this regime end. But giving Nejad genuine cache is not the way. Fomenting discord and getting young people killed is not the way.

The Brits hunger after Iran Oil. They hungered in the fifties, ousted the democratically elected leader and brought us buffoon Shah. The rest is a sorry history.

Nejad's regime must end, and Iran must be allowed to flower again. That means the big American and British oil mongerers must stay out. They are also insanely incompetent. They freeze Nejad's assets, he unfreezes them. Etc. Time to get out of other nations. Let Iran alone.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

That is ridiculous, Diehl. For starters, regardless of what love-bombs Biden might drop, Netanyahu has not the slightest intention of seriously negotiating towards Palestinian statehood.

Only you and the usual mob of US pundits maintain the fiction that the peace process is alive, that this Israeli government, even this Israeli public in recent years, would ever acquiesce in a Palestinian state. Not Likud and not Kadima either.

The current Israeli govt, with people like Avigdor Lieberman in it, is probably closer to "transferring" the Palestinians, as they call it, than to really negotiating with them.

Posted by: bourassa1 | March 10, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Farnaz,

What's worse is that there is now a "behind-the-scenes" power struggle between 'Nejad and the Supreme Ayatollah. It's not public, but the tension is still there. While a house divided will not stand, I'm not so sure I want to find out what kind of political vacuum would occur if the two sides ever came to blows.

I still don't want to believe that the majority of the people in Iran actually want this Islamic regime. Iran has such a rich history, and in the past, the saying in Iran was "Pendar-e-Nik, Goftar-e-Nik, Kerdar-e-Nik" Good thoughts, good words, good deeds. That was what they lived by. I still want to believe that they've kept that.

But also, the protesting. The streets were filled with hundreds of thousands of people. And these aren't videos from CNN, either. These were live video taken from the protesters and sent to some of the Iranian satellite broadcasters. Maybe I'm in denial. :) I just want to believe that the people there will rise up and disown this current, hateful regime who wants to hide women behind headscarves, kills gays, and other despicable acts.

I had the chance to visit Perspolis many years ago, and I left something behind there in hopes that the spirits of the past will awaken.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me. I always liked Haaretz the few times I've read it, but will read it and the Jerusalem Post more often.

Posted by: ClandestineBlaze | March 10, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

But more than that, your whole argument is based on the premise that the US needs to keep Israel happy. Why is that? What vital interest is served? The cause of MidEast peace? The US has kept Israel happy for decades and MidEast peace is further away than before.

Imagine if Israel severed tied to the US. They might even threaten to take away their begging bowl! Come on. Who is the master and who the dog? America doesn't need Israel, rather Biden needs the support of a small but powerful US interest group, the Israel lobby. And even that group is only so powerful because Washington inflates its importance. It doesn't speak for American Jews, who are quite moderate on Israel (a majority favour peace talks) and are also only 3% of the population.

Why do the Israelis hold such a strong hand that their opinion matters? Because people like you say so? What exactly are they useful for?

Posted by: bourassa1 | March 10, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Farnaz,

Also, I'm glad that you brought up the overthrow of Mossadegh. If there's one single event in the 20th century that you can point to that makes you understand all of the turmoil in the Mideast, it's that!

Mossadegh was, at least from the biographies I've read of him, one of the most competent, brilliant, down-to-earth people to ever lead. He understood the treachery of the British when they bought out William Knox D'Arcy's oil company, thus putting the majority of the oil fields in Iran under British control.

That would be like a foreign country buying out the oil fields in Alaska. No sane American President would allow that. He did the right thing by destroying the agreement and nationalizing the oil industry, since the agreement with D'Arcy was before he was elected.

The British threatened the US into getting the CIA to overthrow the PM by telling the US that they would not support them in the Korean conflict.

It's just such an ugly history since then. At least the Shah loved his country, despite being a puppet and torturing political prisoners. And this current regime wants nothing other than to spend all of its money on funding Lebanon and Syria.

I was visiting an uncle once in Tehran and noticed street lights were out at night. I asked him why an oil-rich country would be in the dark at night, and he said that the idiotic government was too busy rebuilding roads in Lebanon to actually do something for their own people.

There's too much anger there right now. It'll all change. At least, from my perspective.

Posted by: ClandestineBlaze | March 10, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Kamyar,

I did watch the Iranian American broadcasts, if that is what you mean, and I watched the videos. I also kept track of the twitters, and guess what. They were a small handful. I'm not alone in this. This was posted both in Farsi and in English by people who share our views.

The way these young people acted, the hysteria, the hype, it is not Iranian. The painted faces are not Iranian.

I don't honestly know what the majority think. It depends on how you calculate. The poor love Nejad. The fact is he is an economic disaster. Before elections, he almost bankrupts the country doling out millions to poor people. He can get a handle neither on the economy nor on the gross corruption. If you read the Farsi press here, you see how the police beat people up when they demonstrate for jobs.

Still Nejad has them mesmerized. Did you listen to his acceptance speech? Truthfully, I was half mesmerized myself.

This "Supreme Leader" is not Khomeini, nowhere near, whatever you many have thought of Khomeini. The former is a joke from every Islamic perspective. Special permission had to be granted him so that he could achieve his present rank. Nejad is a fanatical, bigoted visionary. But he is a visionary. That is why he is so dangerous. The Supreme Leader has money in banks all over Europe. Not Nejad.

A lot of people want the Supreme Leader out, not only other clerics. He is ridiculous and corrupt. A lot of people want Nejad out, as well. Some of them worry me. They are survivors, wealthy, and corrupt themselves.

I agree with you that there is a great deal of discontent, especially among the educated. However, Iran must have economic reform. This can be accomplished. Iran is a wealthy nation.

When this country invaded Iraq, some of my friends prayed that Iran would be next. So did many Iranians. I could not reason with them, could not convince them that we must leave Iran alone.

Agents have publicly spoken of their intervention in the elections. This country and British Petroleum want Iran Oil. That is what is on Obama's mind. I know this is difficult to read, but believe me, I know.

All I ask is that Iran be allowed to live.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Kamyar,

I think our posts crossed. You wrote,

And this current regime wants nothing other than to spend all of its money on funding Lebanon and Syria.

I was visiting an uncle once in Tehran and noticed street lights were out at night. I asked him why an oil-rich country would be in the dark at night, and he said that the idiotic government was too busy rebuilding roads in Lebanon to actually do something for their own people.
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You are right all the way through. I would add only two things. First, the Saudis have always hated Iran, regardless of who was in power because Iran threatens Saudi hegemony. The Saudis are particularly concerned about Iran's hold on Syria.

Actually, perhaps, you know this. The Saudis have been agitating along with the Brits for these sanctions, which will only hurt the poor. The US is arming the Saudis even as I write.

So, who is the threat to Iran?
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In addition, frankly, Nejad does not have the wherewithal to handle the economy, never did. And then he has the corrupt mullahs, corrupt politicians, corrupt unions to deal with.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

It about time that the American government confronted Israel for its continued sabotaging of the peace process---lets see Sharon with a thousand Israeli soldiers at Haram Al-Sharif starts the intifada then whenever things got settled down his government launched missiles into crowded Palestinian markets killing and injuring innocents civilians to get to one or two alleged terrorists.
Then comes the attempt by Israel and the Bush admin to undermine the elected Hamas led Palestinian legislature (with their side kick Mahmoud Abbas). Followed by the Israeli attack on Gaza. Perhaps the Palestinians should take up a long term strategy---In fifty years or less they will out number the Israelis anyway.

Posted by: aubrey_el | March 10, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

I thin for once it's refreshing to see A high level US official face these broadsides head on.
FIsrael and their Shi*.
Call them on this crap, and lay the groundwork to deny them military assistance and financial assistance.
See how that works for them.

Posted by: jeffc6578 | March 10, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Cut Israel Off! NO MORE AID!

Only that will make them reconsider making peace with the Pals and their neighbors. Only then will peace be considered important. As long as we write their welfare checks to the tune of billions per year, they have no incentive to make peace.

Posted by: Independent11 | March 10, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Mr Biden is right. I don't want to be impolite but we have to stop warranting the Jew state to continue violating the international law. This is maybe what's different with this Administration. Finally Democrats have to stand up with their values and defending them they will defend all of us all the way... So I strongly disagree with the views of Mr. Diehl.

Posted by: jherrera1
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I don't want to be disrespectful, but we must stop funding the christic state, the Vatican. The Vatican is a foreign nation, so designated by the United Nations and the United States. On top of its rampant pedophilia, nazi bank, it is now being investigated for having laundered 200 million dollars in Mafia money. That would be the mafia that hunts down and assassinates elected Italian officials who try to stem the flow of organized crime.

The Catholic SCOTUS, Congress, and media is a joke. In the meantime, this foreign nazi pedophile nation, Vatican Empire, has institutions all over the United States that are TAX EXEMPT. At the same time, its pedophile priests, some of them convicted roam the streets endangering our children.

HOw can the Vatican be both a foreign nation, immune to lawsuits, and tax exempt?

Err...it's illegal. We are owed hundreds of billions of dollars, and the christic pedophiles, those who protected them belong in jail.

The christic nation owes us billions and billions of dollars.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

I thin for once it's refreshing to see A high level US official face these broadsides head on.
FIsrael and their Shi*.
Call them on this crap, and lay the groundwork to deny them military assistance and financial assistance.
See how that works for them.

Posted by: jeffc6578
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F you, and your lying s'it. What military assistance. Moron. Keep your christic money, Phart. Give it to your church.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Cut Israel Off! NO MORE AID!

Only that will make them reconsider making peace with the Pals and their neighbors. Only then will peace be considered important. As long as we write their welfare checks to the tune of billions per year, they have no incentive to make peace.

Posted by: Independent11 | March 10, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse
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Completely agree. The money we "give" them is a fraction of their budget, which they don't need, could easily make up.

In return, they give us intelligence, give it to the Brits, etc. HOWEVER, we pay billions of dollars in taxes for security.

The AmeriChristians can take care of their own big fat arses, among them yours. I'm not afraid.

Get out of Israel. Leave them alone. You've only harmed them and the Palestinians. No one wants you cross luggers, no one, nowhere.

Give the money to jesus.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Farnaz,

You've done a lot more research on the matter of discontent in Iran than I have. I've bought into too much of the hype. I guess it's that part of me that wants to believe. But I need to be realistic -- I watch the Iranian-American satellite shows to this day, and I hear nothing about protesting. Did it die down? Or was it, as you say, never that large to begin with?

How depressing!

Nejad is a visionary, I do agree with that. He has a certain charm that the people living in the rural parts of Iran immediately cling to. His ouster may actually be his failure to bring any economic reform. What happens then?

I remember the same as you. When the US first invaded Iraq, I read a quote from an Iranian who said something like "Why won't America invade us? Why won't they overthrow our Taliban?" -- but it cannot be that way. It just wouldn't feel right if the West invaded. It would feel like a farce. I fear that the West would just set up another puppet government so that they could leech off of the oil.

And what will happen when the world starts using other means of energy other than oil? Iran will be left to die. I agree with you, any change in Iran must come from within. I would love to see the day when that change comes, and people are able to see the real Iran.

Posted by: ClandestineBlaze | March 10, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Independent11,

Speaking of cross luggers. Notice how many christics are left among the Palestinians since they started the last intifada and ended their chances for a state?

Not many, dumbo. They fled into Israel, which stupidly took them, and elsewhere, including here.

Nobody wants christics, least of all AmeriChristics.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Kamyar,

And what will happen when the world starts using other means of energy other than oil? Iran will be left to die. I agree with you, any change in Iran must come from within. I would love to see the day when that change comes, and people are able to see the real Iran.
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That is my dream. To me, Iran is one of the most beautiful places on earth. Have you been to Shiraz?

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

I realize by looking it up in Wikipedia that my version of the story about the British soldier pinatas left out an important fact: it was retaliation for the execution, under the British mandate, of Israeli terrorists (no other word for it at the time). There has always been an element of hard men, some from the criminal underground, who are the equivalent of the military in larger nation states. They are still running things in Israel, or at least their successors. Only that kind of behavior could have taken the place by force, which they did. The British were understandably put out at the kidnapping, holding and then hanging of their own guys - not to speak of the fact that their bodies were booby-trapped (IEDs were a specialty with the early Israelis). So the residents of Liverpool and other such places had a day of window-breaking of the shops of Jewish merchants (which undoubtedly set some on course to make swift aliyah). It was the kind of reaction to perceived insult that some people do. It's low class, it's wrong, and clearly history has buried it, because a lot of the Brits actually wished the Israel project well and didn't have anything much against Jews. This wasn't Nazi Germany revisited (although the film Exodus seems to indicate Britain was just this close to being as bad).

So what we are dealing with are not cozy, sweet and bid-able people. We are dealing with thuggy people. I think we should stop playing games that they are going to accede to our demands. And just write off those Palestinians. If Israel choses to attack Iran, they are going to have take whatever reaction they get on the chin. But, sadly, I think we are still deluded about the marriage. It's a sham.

Posted by: musings | March 10, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Farnaz,

I must leave, but it has been an absolute pleasure. I frequent these boards often, usually as a lurker. I will certainly stop by to say hello.

You are an impressive individual. Thanks for the chat. :)

Posted by: ClandestineBlaze | March 10, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

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Kamyar,

And what will happen when the world starts using other means of energy other than oil? Iran will be left to die. I agree with you, any change in Iran must come from within. I would love to see the day when that change comes, and people are able to see the real Iran.
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That is my dream. To me, Iran is one of the most beautiful places on earth. Have you been to Shiraz?"

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Farnaz,

Just saw this post! I have been to Shiraz. I took a bus trip from Tehran. It's the only real way. I did visit Perspolis and I have pictures that I'd love to share some time!

The food, weather, *cough* women *cough* :D, and just the people in general were all beautiful. Every city in Iran, from Tehran, to Esfahan, to Shiraz, are all different and have their own special thing going on.

I honestly cannot wait to go back. Despite being in Shiraz only once, it left a special place in my heart. The bus trip was also fun and the people there were great to talk to.

Posted by: ClandestineBlaze | March 10, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

musings:

Re: YOur post

Wrong all the way through. Amusing, though.

The anglochristics did a number of christian terrorist things. Here are a few christian terrorist highlights:

1. The locked up refugees on the island of Cypress, "interned" them in prison camps. The swampthing UN, itself, deemed it a human rights issue, insisting that the terrorist christians let them go, but they would not.

2. The christian terrorists fired on a ship carrying concentration camp survivors killing thirteen, among them women and children.

3. The christian terrorist Brits hung and floggged Jews in the streets.

These things distressed the Jews. Somehow, they could not accept the greedy terrorist christian Brits' killing Jews because they did not want to offend the Saudis, the Emirates, Egypt, etc. Those poor benighted Jews just did not understand the extent of christian greed.

When appeal after appeal failed, they used the chrisitians' methods. A bunch of men and women sent the British army running with their pants around their knees.

Antisemitism was not new for the British christics, neither before nor after they started killing Jews for oil in Israel.

There were pro nazi demonstrations in Britain even during the war. Since you like Wikipedia, look up Vidal Sassoon. That's right. Look him up. He wasn't the only British Jew to take matters into his own hands.

Of course, the christoBrits attacked unarmed men, women, and children in Britain, just as they did and continue to do elsewhere. It is what they shine at.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Kamyar,

I still dream of Shiraz. I, too, would like to share pictures. Maybe, one day, Iran will live in peace, freedom, democracy. All this can happen, would have happened, if Mossadegh had been left alone. This, I strongly believe.

Why can it not happen again?

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 10, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Non-Jewish Americans learned the following:

1. The meaning of "Chutzpah".

2. The degree of confidence of ultra-right wing Jews in Israel of their ability to dictate Middle East policy to any American president whether Democrat or Republican, and their certainty of Israel's annual entitlement in cash and kind from the U.S. and its uninformed electorate.

3. And Israelis complete disregard of and lack of interest in American foreign policy aims and interests in the Middle East.

Conclusion:

Obviously the Israelis are determined to go it alone in the Middle East whatever the cost to the U.S. in blood and treasure. Radical American religious fanatics and Israeli Firsters in the U.S. should be required to take over the responsibility now for feeding and financing Israel henceforth and no more taxpayers' money starting now. The nation is broke and the sooner Israel and the rest of the claimants, e.g. NATO and Japan, and South Korea understand this the better off all will be.

Posted by: AmericanInterestsFirstandLast | March 10, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

"Biden Stumbles...."

Hardly a headline that would catch anybodies attention.

This unbelievale administration wonders why the Israelies would embarrass "Biden", and really the "anointed One", when all they do is publically try to lecture Israel. And cowtowing to the Arab staes with his great "appeasement" adress in Cairo. And failure to act on Iran, or N Korea. And publically admonishing the only remained public entity (the Supreme Court).

Just who the H*LL are these idiots. The arrogance is just stunning. How far has the US fallen, that a group like this can be attempting to run the only superpower on Earth (althogh they are guaranteeing that will not be the case for long). They may appeal to all the leftist parasites out there, but they scare the daylights out of anybody who is rational with an IQ greater than the "great Deceivers" golf clubs.

"Biden doesn't stumble"....Now THAT would be newsworthy!!!!

Posted by: armagedon | March 10, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Farnaz,

It will happen again. Even though Mossadegh was physically silenced, his legacy lives on. He was more popular than any past or present leader in Iran can claim, with the exception of the Darius, Cyrus, and Xerxes. :-)

There will be another one. The population of young Iranians outnumber the old, and the newer generation wants more freedom. They won't be bottled up like North Korea.

And when it does happen, we'll both take direct flights out there and see for ourselves. :D Don't lose hope - what's happening there right now cannot sustain itself much longer. It doesn't add it.

Good night, for now.

Kamyar

Posted by: ClandestineBlaze | March 10, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

To FarnazMunsouri - Your intensity signals an underlying psychological disorder. Seek help now and then get a life.

Biden was right to condemn. Don't ever forget -Israel is for Israel. Never think for a moment that Israel will willingly permit the existence of a Palestinian state. The only use Israel has for America is as a source of funds and military assistance. Netanyahu knew exactly how this would play out and permitted it so that he could prove to his people that he is the chess master in the ongoing Palestinian-Israeli destruction. America must restructure its commitment to Israel or continue to demonstrate weakness of character that is unbecoming of a powerful voice for right in an increasingly dangerous world.

Posted by: lightkeeper | March 11, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

FarnazMansouri: you're a POS. You've purported yourself alternatevely as Iranian, Muslim, Jewish, Israeli, but basically you're a fake; as all of your ilk. We are covering you assets just because the Bidens of our country are bamboozled by your bling. Frustrate them once or twice more and you're history.
To end: your hate towards the Vatican, must be for instance, because you hate everything as good, as closeted as all of you are, whatever it is for you the Vatican, highlights once more what you Zionists are: a bunch of criminals, liars, assassins, thieves, cynical, bullies, distractive, abusive, inhumane, arrogant, disdainful, and rapacious human detritus, and this is just what I consider your good side.
In other words, you may have the upperside as of now, but you're going to Hell.
All what I can say is: attack Iran... and you'll see what you can do.
Be my guest, I beg you.
But as you are all Natanhayus, in Sharon's words cowards, you wont.
So, what the heck are you standing for, denying the poor Palestinians their sorry piece of land?
You're pathetic. Eventually our government will find its way out, and you'll civer

Posted by: SouthStar | March 11, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

SouthStar, Pope BentDick,

Illiterate, dear, I have not "purported myself." I am an Iranian, moron. Iranians are not Arabs, christic.

I am an Iranian Jew. And you, christic, are a simple christianist nazi. A VaticaNazi, who worships a corpse on a stick, and gold.

Good luck with that.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 11, 2010 1:32 AM | Report abuse

To FarnazMunsouri - Your intensity signals an underlying psychological disorder. Seek help now and then get a life.

Biden was right to condemn. Don't ever forget -Israel is for Israel. Never think for a moment that Israel will willingly permit the existence of a Palestinian state. The only use Israel has for America is as a source of funds and military assistance. Netanyahu knew exactly how this would play out and permitted it so that he could prove to his people that he is the chess master in the ongoing Palestinian-Israeli destruction. America must restructure its commitment to Israel or continue to demonstrate weakness of character that is unbecoming of a powerful voice for right in an increasingly dangerous world.

Posted by: lightkeeper
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I would suggest you get a life, but then where would you get it. Never forget, Israel had reached a peace agreement negotiated in the face of weekly terror, which the Palestinians reneged on by starting an intifada.

I would recommend that you go back on your meds, but, frankly, I don't think they would help. You are suffering from fin d'empire. This is the last gasp of christianist imperialism in the world. Breathe deep.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri | March 11, 2010 1:37 AM | Report abuse

"Biden chose to use a word -- “condemn” -- that is very rarely employed in U.S. statements about Israel"

It's a little like saying "No!" to a naughty child.

If the word had been used earlier and more often perhaps the child would be better for it.

One thing is for sure, ignoring wayward behaviour has never been a cure.

Posted by: JohnBull1 | March 11, 2010 4:30 AM | Report abuse

Watching how Biden represents the US in Israel is an absolute embarrassment. He looks like a high school goof-off amongst very smart, serious and politically savvy adults. The rest of the world must wonder, "Is this the best the US has to represent them?" How shameful. What the heck is HE there for anyway - instead of the Secretary of State? Is Big O feeling the threat of a 2012 primary against Hillary? You bet he is.

Posted by: poplab | March 11, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

If this were funny I would call it a joke. But it is not funny. It is tragic and just one more step toward all out war in the Mid-East. The Israeli people need to find their voice for peace and find it quick. Because right now, all I see is a bunch of land-grabbing politicians who seem to have learned nothing from IMMEDIATE history. FACT: Their recent offensive/bloodbath in Gaza has branded them war criminals in the eyes of the international community.

What I know, and what I hope this country will begin to acknowledge is that Israel clearly does not want peace and they are running out of ways to hide that plain fact. THEY DO NOT DESIRE PEACE! It has been clear as day for years.

This situation is completely unacceptable and I find it insulting as a tax paying American that I have to sit by and watch statesman after stateswoman reaffirm "America's bond with Israel is unbreakable!" Oh really!!!? We should withdraw all financial support as of YESTERDAY!! They have shown time and again not only their disdain for peace, but their willingness to employ inhumane policies toward the Palestinian people that the Nazi's would be proud of. I think this is why it is particularly astonishing to watch. How, in the span of 60 years, could people who suffered so much unfair treatment turn around and be completely unembarrassed about their similar treatment of millions of Palestinians.

It's so much more than a shame that the international community 60 years ago could not recognize and implement one of the most basic principles of war: To the victor go the spoils. The state of Israel today should be Germany!!!!

Posted by: PullThePlug | March 12, 2010 4:40 AM | Report abuse

very strong analysis. i am glad Biden chose to "condemn" the action and the author is right the word carries a lot of weight.
Israeli provocation of the US is well calculated and i find it hard to believe that Bibi did not know about the plan.

I wish the author would have given a better suggestion for a better course of action for biden to take. I would have liked to see him demand the reversal of the settlement plan.

Posted by: theaetetus | March 12, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

The Israelis are worried, the Saudis and Egyptians are worried, and the Afghanis are inviting Ahmadinejad to visit Kabul.

Between Gates, Clinton, and Obama the US foreign interest is in the toilet. All we needed was for Biden was to go and play a week of presidential make-believe to make it worse.

Please ... keep Biden hidden.

Posted by: Arnon1 | March 12, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Israel is a vainglorious country heading toward ultimate disaster. The Zionist vision is clearly racist and exclusionary. When a group brazenly anoints itself as “God’s chosen people” in its own self-serving scriptures, it communicates utter contempt for the rest of humankind. I think Jesus, a Jew himself, tried to correct this delusion.

Posted by: famunasmd | March 15, 2010 2:16 AM | Report abuse

Regarding Biden rebuking Israel: The fact is that the Arab side regards all of Israel as a Jewish settlement and views all of Israel as occupied territory down to the last grains of sand on the beach in Tel Aviv. Why didn't Biden rebuke the Arab side for its continual refusal to unequivocally accept Israel's right to exist? Why didn't Clinton rebuke the Arab side for maintaining its demand for the "right of return" of millions of Palestinian refugees and their descendants -- something that would demographically destroy Israel as a Jewish state? Why didn't Biden rebuke the Arab side for continuing to spew sewers of anti-Israel and anti-Semitic incitement through its puppet media and school curricula? During the Cold War there were thousands of cultural and sports exchanges between the Soviet Union and the West as confidence-building moves. Why didn't Biden rebuke the Arab side, including Egypt and Jordan with which Israel has supposed "peace treaties," for continually blocking such exchanges?

Posted by: cheemo | March 15, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

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