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Health care isn't like civil rights

In his remarks yesterday, President Obama compared tomorrow's health-care vote to the 1964 vote on civil rights legislation: "In just a few days, a century-long struggle will culminate in a historic vote. We’ve had historic votes before.... We had a historic vote in civil rights to make sure that everybody was equal under the law.”

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 originally passed in the House by 290-130. Cloture was achieved in the Senate by a vote of 71-29, and the Senate then passed its version of the legislation 73-27. The House took up the Senate bill and passed it 289-126. Substantial majorities of both parties supported the legislation at every stage.

This is what allows historic legislation to become historic -- it achieves broad support, is passed without parliamentary tricks, and becomes the broadly accepted law of the land. Tomorrow's vote -- even if House Speaker Nancy Pelosi squeezes out 216 Democrats to pass the legislation -- will not be historic. It will not "end" a century-long struggle over health care. The issue will be revisited in November 2010 and in the next Congress and in November 2012.

And I predict the great majority of what passes tomorrow -- if it does, and that's by no means a given -- will never become settled law or public policy. Instead, its passage will intensify a great debate over the size and scope of government that could well result in public policy, in health care and other areas, moving, in the coming years, in the opposite direction.

By William Kristol  | March 20, 2010; 11:03 AM ET
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whether it passes or not, we're still going to have 10% unemployment in this country. Its staggering to me that the democrats want to push through something so controversial when there is consensus on both sides of the aisle that unemployment is too high.

Posted by: ninja_gaydad | March 20, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

It's hardly President Obama's fault that all Republicans have decided to oppose everything he proposes in an effort to destroy his Presidency.
It's also hardly the President's fault that most Republican Senators now stand to the right of the late Barry Goldwater-who opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Posted by: jaltman1 | March 20, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Well, that settles it. If Kristol says it's not historic, then it is, of course, historic. After all, he has a near-perfect record of being wrong about everything!

Posted by: bertram2 | March 20, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

More garbage by an unscrupulous right wing moron at this right wing tabloid.

Posted by: kevin1231 | March 20, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

While Kristol may be right--this issue may not end with this vote or this election cycle--any Democrats in the House who vote against it can say "Goodbye" to their jobs. Sure, voting for this bill might cost them the general election, but voting against the bill pretty much guarantees they lose their primaries.

Posted by: EvergreenTodd | March 20, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Charles Krauthammers birth name was Shecky Schlomo Krautheimer, he had it changed so it did not sound Jewish. He and Bill Kristol, Bernie and Jonah Goldberg, Joe Lieberman, Ben Stein, David Frum, Paul Wolfowitz, Bob Kagan and with a few Gentiles like Dick and Liz Cheney, John Bolton ,John Yoo thrown in, are all members of the Far Right Neo-Con group known as the American Enterprise Institute, Weekly Standard and Heritage Foundation. Bill Kristol aka -- Bloody Bill you will notice always promotes a War against Iran. The reason is that AIPAC and JDL, want Israel to expand. These people do not care about the United States per se, they all have dual citizenship with Israel and their main objective is a plan for the total destruction of Iran , just like they pushed for War against Iraq--- How did that go for you Krauthammer you stinking fu--ing bas--ads? Krautheimer, If you and you, Murdering Neo-Con War Zionists don't love America then move to your homeland Israel.

Posted by: orionexpress | March 20, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Kristol thinks it is a good idea to invade every country in the ME except Israel and Saudi Arabia, so I guess I can believe him on this one. (((smirk)))

Posted by: creatia52 | March 20, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

If Fox news had existed back in the 60's to effectively spread the the lies and propaganda of the wing nuts, the civil rights bill might not have passed.

BTW William, this the 7th year anniversary of your Iraq war. Happy cakewalk.

Posted by: rkerg | March 20, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

And you need such broad support to be historic? Give me a break. Why do such well-known and seemingly smart people have such glaring weaknesses in the arguments they make? Do they think most people won't see them, or don't they see them themselves?

Posted by: Omightytimm | March 20, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

It passes as a concession speak from a NeoKon.

Posted by: Emmetrope | March 20, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

No matter what, you are always on the evil side. You are just born evil.

Posted by: lhao333 | March 20, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

As usual, Kristol reveals his truly small - no, make that puny - self. Of course, it's historic - unless he can convince us that his holier-than-thou folks stealthily solved all the nation's health care woes when they were in charge. Just because he feels he's on the losing side (note to all Americans: we are ALL winners with HCR), he has to declare that the effort was trivial. What a jerk - didn't he learn anything in kindergarten?

Posted by: chicago11 | March 20, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse


Health care is not historic, but Obama pretending to be president sure is hilarious.

Posted by: Jerzy | March 20, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

How is it possible that there could be a God, who would be so idiotic as to create Republicans , Pedophiles, Greedy Rapists or Mosquito's ?

Posted by: orionexpress | March 20, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Being black (and thus protected by civil rights laws) is completely different from being sick (and protected, maybe, by health care reform). Anyone can choose not to get sick. People who get sick shouldn't go looking for handouts from an innocent HMO just because they were suckered into paying 'insurance.' They deserve to lose everything. Isn't that so, Billy-bo?

Posted by: JPMinNC | March 20, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Why isn't this guy working behind the counter at 7-11? I mean, come one people...who decides that an individual who has been so vociferously, stridently, aggressively, dismissively and disastrously wrong about so many things should have his opinion distributed to millions of people? And is that person some kind of mental patient? (Looking at you, Fred Hyatt).

Posted by: dijetlo | March 20, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

And so, the sour grapes begin by the neo-cons. Come on, Bill, it's not like the Bush/Cheney administration did such a great job. Look at their legacy -- 2 wars (one of which was based on their knowing lies), thousands of dead, an economy in the gutter, they exchanged budget surpluses for historical deficits so wealthy people like you get huge tax breaks, staffed the government with incompetent hacks, invaded of citizens privacy, love of torture, and it goes on and on. If you neo-cons love war so much, how come none of your or your families signed up to fight in Iraq? Too chicken?

Is Obama "pretending" to be President? I think not. Georgie W. Bush was the great "pretender" whose administration was pushing us towards fascism. Bush did nothing that helped this country. About the only thing of importance he has to do nowadays is walk the dog and pick up poop since no one else seems to have any need for his "expertise" at being a President. At least Obama is trying.

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | March 20, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

This is really rich. Is this the same Bill Kristol who wrote the now-infamous memo to Republican lawmakers during the 1993 health care debate? That Bill Kristol? The one who was working for Newt Gingrich back then? It sure looks a lot like him but today he's singing a totally different tune.

That Bill Kristol's 1993 memo warned that working with Bill Clinton to pass health care reform would be a political bonanza for Democrats, solidify their role as a protector of America's middle class and create a very tough electoral landscape for Republicans.

Now this Bill Kristol says health care reform isn't really that important. Suddenly passing health care reform won't be a bonanza for Democrats, it will actually help Republicans by shifting the political pendulum back in their favor.

I wish I could watch a debate between these two Bill Kristols.

Posted by: tja6789 | March 20, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Billy Billy pants on fire. Can you help me get a job where I am paid to lie? Never mind I would not take it anyway. You just become more idiotic with every breath you take. Better sell your stock in health insurance (actually better known as legalized extortion). Go take some useless alzheimer medicine made by the other thieves of the health industry, your buds from the pharma companies. It might fry your brain sooner and we would not have to listen as many of you pawns of the debtrimental companies of the world. When will the likes of you be gone? You care nothing for people as individuals, only profit and mass manipulation are your standard bearers, I wonder what some of your family thinks of you? The few that are willing to speak truth to bullsh-t. Are there any?
Brian C Jones
Whitefish,MT

Posted by: saabstealth | March 20, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how he does it. Maybe he has a computer program of some sort. But Kristol is so consistently wrong on everything he addresses, he must have some sort of outside help. This is the guy who thought Sarah Palin was brainy. This is the guy who wanted to defeat the Clinton health care reform because it would benefit the Democrats, never mind the good it would do for the American people. If he says the health care reform bill is not historic, count on it, people will be reading about it 100 years from now.

Posted by: chuckbarb23 | March 20, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama said, "In just a few days, a century-long struggle will culminate in a historic vote," ... in the advance of socialism.

He is right. This vote will be historic. It will ignite America's third revolution.

America's first revolution was to gain our freedom from English colonial tryrrany.

Our second revolution was FDR's compromise with socialism that pissed away our freedom.

Our third revolution will be to regain our freedom from the tyrrany of Obama's social democracy.

Let the war begin here.

Posted by: RUKidding0 | March 20, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Kristol is right about one thing -- this is simply one step in a historic struggle. It will continue. There will be blood in the streets, including Kristol's.

Posted by: mnjam | March 20, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

"....It's hardly President Obama's fault that all Republicans have decided to oppose everything he proposes in an effort to destroy his Presidency....."

I love quotes like this! I mean it is not as if liberals do not do the very same thing to President Bush.

But now it is outragious! Because some dares to do it to a liberal Democrat President!

I think that is funny! I am sure people who post these statements had no problem with the 60 vote super majority when it was used to stop Bush policy, but they are outraged when it is used to stop Obama policy!

Obstructionism is fine to them, so long as it is not their politics that are obstructed!

Posted by: heathergreeneyes | March 20, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

A poster said that liberals who vote against this bill will loose in the coming election?

There are a lot of moderate Democrats who are in conservative districts. How is it that a moderate Democrat can secure their seat, by voting on a liberal left bill, when the voters they need are conservatives?

Did this person even think about what they were typing?

Posted by: heathergreeneyes | March 20, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I assume that the liberals posting here won't mind that at some point in the future Republicans use the same parliamentary tricks to unwind this healthcare bill as the Democrats used to enact it. I mean liberals wouldn't be hypocrites, would they?

Posted by: bjb57 | March 20, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

If Kristol says the vote tomorrow on the health care reform bill is "not historic" that tells me it's going to pass and that it will be historic. Since Kristol has predicted that passage of the bill will cause an electoral insurrection against the Democrats, that means the American people will greet the Democrats with flowers and chocolates.

Posted by: ejs2 | March 20, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Bill, If you were half as smart as your dad you would be dangerous.
Unfortunately for you (fortunately for uUS) - you are just a Dan Quale's potatoe or potatoe or, ....

Posted by: KrautKiller | March 20, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

This bill will undoubtedly save lives, ease physical and mental suffering and financial load for millions of Americans and reduce the debt by billions. The doctors are for it (AMA) as well as seniors (AARP). For those of you who think this bill will bring new spending, we are already spending big chunks of money on the costs of uninsured emergency room visits and inefficiency of the system (estimated to be as high as 30 % of all health care cost).

The republicans will be remembered for wasting billions of dollars and costing the lives of thousands of our brave soldiers for a needless war and for opposing social security, medicare and Clinton's budget which brought this country into an unprecedented era of prosperity. Given all of this, I cannot understand those who are opposed to this bill. The irrational, knee jerk NO NO NO makes me think they are not thinking and reflecting but acting out of ignorance and fear. Congress, for the sake of this country, please pass this bill!

Posted by: verycreative | March 20, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Sour grapes by the Uber jerk.

Posted by: tjgolden481 | March 20, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Verycreative,

I am one of those who say no. But that is because I understand economics. Clearly, you do not. This bill will bring us the unholy trinity of higher taxes, higher deficits and increased inefficiencies brought about by non-price-based rationing. Other than that, it is a real winner.

Posted by: bjb57 | March 20, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

If Kristol were a fisherman, he wouldn't know his bass from a hole in the ground.

Posted by: russellglee | March 20, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Russellglee,

Aren't you the witty one?

Posted by: bjb57 | March 20, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

It will historic in the sense that Social Security and Medicare are historic. And the Republicans decided not to participate, but to drag their feet, lie and obstruct. President Obama and the DemocratIC congress will go down in history as great as FDR.

Posted by: MNUSA | March 20, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Oh, just shut up already, you little mor*n! Had your daddy not been the famous Irving Kristol, you would be pumping gas at the local gas station. The only thing on which you are an expert is in milking your daddy's name. Just like your bosom buddy, Liz Cheney.

Posted by: Gatsby10 | March 20, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Kristol you are so full of cxxps. The only reason why the passage of healthcare reform will not be comparable to the civil rights act is solely because the GOP were not populated by axxhxles like you as they are now. It is still HISTORIC by any measures and should have garnered a lot of support if the axxhxles were to have some brains and more vocabularies than NO.

Posted by: Bangkokian | March 20, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

MNUSA,

Are you referring to the Medicare that is slowly (soon to be fairly quickly), but surely bankrupting the US?

Posted by: bjb57 | March 20, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I thought Kristol was dead. Certainly, he's dead between the ears, as evidenced by the tripe he peddles periodically on these pages. WAPO is either desperate, or the more likely, getting his pieces gratis.

Posted by: Diogenes | March 20, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

If this bill does pass tomorrow, the loudest historic note will be that all the Republicans voted against it as they did against social security and medicare! Once again, the Republicans are on the wrong side of the issue.

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | March 20, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be a hoot if after Obama destroys his own party to pass this bill, the Supreme Court that he so publicly disrespected nullifies the law.

Talk about a win-win for America!

Posted by: JCM-51 | March 20, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristal: Read, no, STUDY Mr. Milbank's column.
Recently you have shown strong indications
of cogent writing (even if I disagree) but
this is a bad stumble.

Posted by: josephakocon | March 20, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party of 1964 was “Liberal” by today’s Republican Party standards. That is the difference.

Posted by: Provincial | March 20, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

There was a time when the people of this country worked together for the good of all. Over the years, the Republicans have turned it into the "I'm okay, so screw you" country. And the "I and my rich friends don't have quite enough yet, so we are just going to have to take things away from you" country. And of course they just cover it up with more lies and misdirection. Kristol is part of the problem, not the solution.

Posted by: banewman1 | March 20, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Kristol you can say it as many times as you want but that doesn't make your statement true. Poor loser, thy name is Republican.

Posted by: tardis | March 20, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

It is not? Gee what government classes did you take? So, why take it to court when there is doubt in a medical law suit? Why scream when rights are infringed upon when one cannot get the same medical care? Why bother to pay those Insurance companies? Who asked them to charge us a fee because we want to live and they know all will die eventually one day but, hey they want to make money so it is a bet to them you will live and while you live let's get that fee and collect and earn those gold salaries and bonuses off your bet with them.

Posted by: Scar1 | March 20, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Ahahahahha. Aahahahahahhaa.
Now baby Kristol says the Healthcare vote is not historic (NeoCon for doesn't matter). Last week (when he thought it would lose) Kristol said the earth would end if it passed. Neocons, we are so insecure, so evil, such big liars, we have to say we win when we lose.

Poor baby Kristol, your Daddy must be so ashamed of you. Loser.

Posted by: chucky-el | March 20, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Is this Kristol's way of legitimizing that the GOP lost on this one?

The Democrats take a page out of the GOP Governing Handbook and Kristol attempts to diminish it's importance.

Maybe it's not up there with the Civil Rights Act, but when you take into consideration the vitriol and vile rhetoric coming from the Right, it's really monumental.

This foolish argument has been going on for over 50 years. And for 50 years, until now, it's gone nowhere.

Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere | March 20, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Bill - what's it like to always be wrong about everything and then when you know you are wrong, simply make up things that make you feel better. What a life.

Posted by: pfrankla | March 20, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Suck it WIlliam Kristol, Fred Hiatt, Katharine Weymouth, Boisfeuillet Jones, Jr. and Donald Edward Graham.

Enjoy your defeat and impending bankruptcy, your paper has become a parody of the Washington Post we used to know and love.

Posted by: tparker8955 | March 20, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

And my predictions about things generally turn out to be right.

Posted by: markfromark | March 20, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Billy boy, you really stepped in it this time. If you examine the vote closely Senators and Congressmen from the old confederacy were universally against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. In other words, the northerners shoved it down the south's throat. And it is now settled law.

Posted by: Frazil | March 20, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Wowzer! now THERE's a hopeful sign for the democrats -- willy 'wrong way' kristol electing to conduct a 'preemptive' stoop & poop all over the significance of passing a health care reform bill. why would lil willy strain so to do so if he didn't think this legislation likely to happen?

its like back when lil willy was whinging that 'they' (the republicans) should give the microphone to his 'sweet patootie', sarah "pandora's box" palin (and shortly later whinging that 'they' should take it away from her) -- we asked ourselves then why would he do so if he didn't think she was going down in flames amongst majority of the electorate?

preemptive attack by lil willy 'wrong way' kristol turns out to be the best augury there is that actual underlying situation is probably nothing to worry about.

Posted by: ithejury | March 20, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

The ignorant liberal responses on this blog do not cease to amaze me. All that I read are comments about how Kristol is an idiot, Republicans hate Obama and just want his presidency to fail, several posters have gone on anti-semitic rants as they analyzed syllables of Jewish last-names. Mostly, broad, generalized statements like "Kristol is wrong again" with no specifics or facts to back it up. Regardless of how right or wrong Kristol has been in the past... this brief post mostly just cited indisuputable facts. It is true and factual that large, "historic" legislation has always passed with bipartisan support, and to reference the actual vote tally for the Civil Rights Act, is simply referencing facts... it's not biased, or idiotic, or favoring the rich or white people or Israel. It's just a simple and true fact that Obama's comparison of this health care bill to the Civil Rights Act has no merit factually. It's also a disturbing reflection of the fact that liberals have not considered that there are real and actual reasons to oppose this bill. If you believe that the only reason to oppose ObamaCare is a racist desire to stop Obama, then how could you ever comprehend the existence of real, legitimate concerns regarding the bill?

Posted by: The-Capitalist | March 20, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Now seriously Kristol... who cares?

Posted by: whocares666 | March 20, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Some other tidbits related to the lib posts here... Frazil, the north shoved it down the south's throat? 73-27? 289-126? Really? The "old Confederacy" opposed the Civil Rights Act? Oh you mean the filibuster led by Robert Byrd, the KKK member and current member of the Democratic Party? Is that what you're referring to? "Vitriol and vile rhetoric coming from the right?" You're damn right we're pissed that Obama is now going to order us to buy a certain product, tell us the standards that product has to meet in order for us to avoid imprisonment, tax us in order to let those that can't afford the product use our money to buy it, and on top of that impose such onerous rules on the private health insurance companies that they will be forced out of business within 5 years. Why should you're desire for free health care cost me the health care that I pay for?

Posted by: The-Capitalist | March 20, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

It makes me laugh to hear Billy whine about the bill not being historic because it does not have bipartisan support - this coming from the man who has been leading and supporting the obstruction strategy of the 'just say no' party. It is just too hysterical. Do you have any shame?

Posted by: judy_p01 | March 20, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

The fact the Civil rights acted needed to be passed in the first place is a national shame.

It should have ever needed to be "historic".

I voted for Obama.
I find his rhetoric overwrought.

I find Kristol's arguments more so...

Posted by: kreator6996 | March 20, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

jaltman1 wrote on March 20, 2010 11:42 AM:
"It's hardly President Obama's fault that all Republicans have decided to oppose everything he proposes in an effort to destroy his Presidency."

Republicans oppose Obama because they care about our Constitution, our freedoms, and will of the people of this country. Not because they want to destroy Obama's presidency.

Opposing Obama is the equivalent of trying to take the car keys away from a stumbling, bumbling, delirious drunk who would drive a bus full of innocent people off of a cliff (or into a tree) while insisting that he is doing it for the people's own good.

Posted by: TreeHugger31 | March 20, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

As with many Obama characterizations, this historic nonsense needed to be challenged. Mr. Kristol did this concisely and brilliantly.

This legislation is a wounded duck that may or may not have the power to reach the pond. But when it gets there, it is prime game for a predator.

Posted by: hz9604 | March 20, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

So in the Civil Rights cause was historic. WOW.

BUT allowing hard working affordable healthcare is NOT????
So the poor and middle class, those with pre-existing conditions and children are LESS WORTHY of care than an Black Man to be seen as an equal????

Please Mr. Kristol --- where on GOD's TOTEM pole of worthiness do they rate????

I am sure you hated the blacks in the civil rights movement - but now you must be livid that those blacks are now SICK and want MORE and MORE and MORE.

Posted by: racerdoc | March 20, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Whoa! Did somebody forget to tell Kristol, that this bill has nothing to do with Israel???

And if they did, I'm surprised he still has an opinion enough to care..

As for the historic nature of the bill, seems to me he has confused his opinion space on WAPO with this 40 character limit on twitter. He forgot to put his thinking cap on.

Historic events dont necessarily need to have broad support. Take the following as cases in point.

1. The Iraq war. Pretty much nobody wanted it. Except for Zionists and Oil companies. It is still pretty historic cont you think?

2. Establishment of Israel and continuing occupation, stealth of land and murder in Palestine. Decided by a bunch of British beaurecrats and opposed by all the people in the region that count. Still pretty historic. You can look at the number of UN resolutions that Israel has violated in case you are fishing for numbers here, Kristol

Posted by: RandomGuy | March 20, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Bill Kristol has more to do with the slash and burn politics of the right today than anyone and now he cries that major legislation would be illegitamate without broad support. Sadly, the Republicans continue to follow his policies that have come out of the American Enterprise institute of say-no-to-everything, obstruct and spread fear, with the hopes they can repeat the magic of gaining majorities back in congress by demonstrating the ineptitude of the current govt. - although we don't have to go too far back to remember the ineptitude of govt. under Republican majorities. The real difference between today's Republicans and those of the sixties is that in the sixties, the majority of Republicans were moderates from the northeast instead of religious zealots from the south and libertarians in the mountain west. Now almost all Republican legislators come from small rural states with very conservative ideology instead of their original base in the suburban areas in the east. If this country had more of the moderate republicans there would be much greater support but the party has gone the way of the extremists.

Posted by: diebrucke | March 20, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

This legislation gives new meaning to the phrase "March Madness". Those of you who know nothing of the bureaucracy, and it seems that covers most of you, can't even begin to imagine how much this will empower the shadow government. The 1200 pages of legislation are nothing compared to the onslaught of rules and regulations that will come as the lawyers in the affected agencies decide every aspect of health care policy, all the while fighting for territorial supremacy.

This is a boon for the government's legal community and the enormous machine that will ensure that health care is reduced to the lowest common denominator for all.

The Democrats weren't careful what they asked for and, for certain, we'll all get it.

Posted by: magellan1 | March 20, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

With each word you write, Kristol, you dig yourself in deeper, proving you are in fact the shadowy son of a real man. You are totally out of your depths intellectually writing on the national stage.

Good luck and good buy! Health Care will pass and it will be a great political success for America. You could have been there.

Think about that for two seconds. You will be unemployed soon. Trust me.

Posted by: walden1 | March 20, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

So many on the left are living in a fantasy world. The Republicans have not said "no" to a modest measure. If this bill passes, Democrats will have seized a major part of my annual compensation and now will force me to spend it as they see fit. Saying "no" is hardly knee-jerk. This is a tyranical bill, and Republican opposition will grow as more elected Republicans go to Washington.

Posted by: JohnnyGee | March 20, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Ooo

lil' fascist Freddy Hiatt must be getting desperate - Kristol??
The KING of neocon propagandists? and the one with the LEAST credibility that has NEVER been right on any major issue?

With Hiatt running the editorial section,
this paper has lost every last shred of credibility it once had. And until Hiatt and Weymouth are gone -

WaPost -
Don't buy it
Don't read it.

Posted by: daveque | March 20, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

To the publisher....Please do the smart thing and trade this doofus to the Washington Times for a wastebasket. If they won't give you a wastebasket, try for a mug. If no mug, maybe some post its? If they..well maybe they'll take him as a gift. Worthless as a write-off but you'll have dons something you can feel good about.

Posted by: DrG3 | March 20, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"It is true and factual that large, "historic" legislation has always passed with bipartisan support..."

Republican flawed logic trick #347: pretend that because something is demonstrably true, the converse must also be true.

I'll accept at face value that large, "historic" legislation has always passed with bipartisan support, whether or not it's factual, because the answer to this rubbist doesn't require google. That answer being that JUST BECAUSE large, "historic" legislation has always passed with bipartisan support, it does not logically follow that any legislation that passes WITHOUT bipartisan support cannot be large or "historic." As a matter of reality, the fact that legislation of this importance is having to be passed by one party alone will make it "historic," so there goes that shibboleth, undone by its own faulty interior logic.

Just because you have not observed a thing before, it is not proof that the thing does not exist. Bipartisanship does not in and of itself determine which legislation is "historic", or large, or important. It just means that one party is so in thrall to ideology that they are straitjacketed from considering any changes whatsoever that are needed in order to save obviously failing systems. And that's being generous. The other view would have it that they are so in thrall to their corporate ownership that they dare not take a step in the direction of levelling the playing field for the people they allegedly were elected to represent if it displeases their corporate masters.

Personally, I think it's both.

I have to say I also find the complaints about mandates quite amusing coming from conservatives. For one thing, again the interior logic is flawed - you currently pick up the tab for the uninsured through shifted costs which drive up your premiums. A mandate is the only thing that will stop the huge cost-shifting that goes on in the current system. Also, it requires that those shiftless people who don't make big salaries pitch in at least a little something for their own coverage, which is more than they pitch in now when a hospital writes off their ER costs by shifting them to the insured patients. A mandate is like a conservative wet dream, because it picks up those turnips and squeezes them until the blood spurts out. So I'm quite surprised you don't like it. After all, with your constant shrieking about "socialism!!!!" all more efficient funding mechanisms were off the table, and we were left with mandating people to do business with insurance companies as the only way left to stop you from having to pick up ALL the costs of the uninsured.

Arguing with you guys is like watching a guy punch himself repeatedly in the face while shouting, "stop hitting yourself!"

Posted by: JennOfArk | March 20, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Bill, I can only hope and pray that you are right and that health care passage is not a given. At any rate, November will be a "slaughter." Deemocrats will be a thing of the past and the conservatives will rule.

Posted by: cpasherry | March 20, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

It's March 20, Kristol.

The seventh anniversary of your Iraq war crime.

A day that will live in infamy.

Posted by: kevrobb | March 20, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

After reading the comments on Mr. Kristol's article I am of the firm belief that the Left is desperate. Stock labels such as "neo-con". Personal attacks and downright bizarre, off on tangent remarks. It is fair to say that you can't hold a debate with those of the Left because if they are not secure in their position they attack you personally.

Posted by: bobbo2 | March 20, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Bill, you are right. It is even more important.

Posted by: chris_holte | March 20, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

The simpleton is eating his heart out.

Posted by: hellslittlestangel1 | March 20, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Kristol and Obama are wrong. A historic bill does not need to have broad support, such a notion is silly indeed. Few Democrats in Congress voted for the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments.

Obama is wrong to compare the health care bill to the Civil Rights act of 1964. He is simply trying to boost his ego and legacy.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | March 20, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

As usual, Kristol is narrow minded and completely out of touch with the middle class.

Posted by: jryan758 | March 20, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse


That's right, Mr. Kristol, the issue will be revisted in Nov. 2010 and in 2012. And when it is, in 2012, millions who did not have coverage before, will have it by then. And since they may be less worried about how their kids will have health care, perhaps they'll find time to go to the polls. You and your allies better hope not. . .

As for trickery, you are a big fan of the occupation of Iraq. One couldn't find a bigger example of "trickery" and blatent mis-representation than at the beginning of that war, when congress voted to authorize "use of force". (not borrowing 1 Trillion for an occupation mind you, just "use of force").

So, conservatives shouldn't go running around critizing others for using methods they, otherwise, might very well approve of, as long as the goal supports their own ideological preference.

Posted by: kenhyde | March 20, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Kristol writes- "The Civil Rights Act of 1964 originally passed in the House by 290-130. Cloture was achieved in the Senate by a vote of 71-29, and the Senate then passed its version of the legislation 73-27. The House took up the Senate bill and passed it 289-126. Substantial majorities of both parties supported the legislation at every stage."

If such substantial majorities supported it at every stage, why was there an historic filibuster aginst it (and the need for the cloture vote at all)? Seems like some serious truth was lost in Kristol's retelling- I suggest he go back and read Hubert Humphrey's autobiography for an account of the battle as seen by one of the major players.

Posted by: jhherring | March 20, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Why does this clown have a job?

Posted by: kurthunt | March 20, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it's really nothing. Nothing historic, people are hardly noticing it. Won't do a thing.

What a joke, Kristol!

Posted by: hitpoints | March 20, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

So Kristol, you and Lizzy run off and play in the traffic like good little kiddies... let the grown ups take care of some business...

Posted by: rbaldwin2 | March 20, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

...and Billy Bob Boy (oops - forgot Adolf) Kristol is no historian, much less a competent commentator. Respect is a mutual proposition Billy, you've failed to earn any. This nonsense is only marginally less offensive than your obnoxious crusade against lawyers doing their sworn job. Back under your rock scumbag.

Posted by: fr3dmars | March 20, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I understand and respect that we as Americans can and will have honest political differences. However, I cannot stand re-writing history. There have been many close Congressional votes of great historic importance. Saying otherwise is simply too silly to be taken seriously.

Posted by: sykemol | March 20, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Another message from the Minister of Disinformation. Lol.

Posted by: AIPACiswar | March 20, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Kristol is a puny little excuse for a man and a mind. First these Republicans say "they are trying to take over 1/6th of the entire economy" (another lie) then this puny punk says it is not historic. he actually believes it will be repealed. Fat chance.

Kristol is the kind that used to get his puny butt kicked by girls in high scholl and now tries to "man up" with his MS Word where his you know what is supposed to be.

Posted by: MyCut | March 20, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Here's a novel idea, why don't you write any article about you and all the NeoCons who cheered on the Invasion of Iraq, and caused the deaths of over 4,000 American Troops, 95,000 Iraqi Citizens and Billions of Dollars stolen from the American Tax Payer.

Today marks the 7th YEAR of American Troops Occupying Iraq.
To bad the Bush Regime traded all the Oil Contracts with the Chinese, to cover the TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS they borrowed doing the Bush/Cheney Reign of TERROR.

Kristol, I hope you're reminded every year for the rest of your .......Life of all the people who have DIED because of people like you.

I'm sure it won't matter to you, seeing how you lack Compassion and a SOUL.

Posted by: austininc4 | March 20, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Kristol= D/L Cheney = Kristol = "We can pay for Iraq War with oil profits."

Posted by: edfunk1 | March 20, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Kristol's definition of the word 'historic' is as moronic as he is.

Posted by: spqr2k | March 20, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Kristol. This bill is not historic. Few things really are. One of the true historic events of recent years is the historically terrible choice of his dreamgirl, Palin, as VP. That, and the terrible decision to invade Iraq. Those two historic decisions were made by Republicans who listened to Kristol.

Posted by: steveboyington | March 20, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Wow. The leftists comments here remind me of children name-calling. This is what they claim intellect is? It looks like they attended one of Orwell's "hate week" meetings with Kristol as Goldstein.

That might be too literate for most of you leftists. As a reply just call me a name. Racist, fascist, ignorant or something like that. I think that is about the extent of your vocabulary.

Do you leftist/statist fools really think that mommy government will manage your healthcare better than you can yourselves? Since you're acting like children here, you probably do.

Be grownups and take care of YOUR OWN lives and HELP OTHERS yourself. Having the government take our money and freedom away and give it to the cause the cause du jour is NOT "caring" about people. It's selfish and stupid.

Giving someone else the power over your health and life is infantile. Grow up.

Posted by: awesome | March 20, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

It's sad to see the progressives use the poor in this power grab.

Posted by: speedo1 | March 20, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure the widows and orphans of Iraq would like to send you their wishes, Kristol, on the anniversary of that criminal invasion.

March 20, the international Day of American Infamy.

Posted by: kevrobb | March 20, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

billy when are you going to join daddy and ronnie ?soon i pray.

Posted by: donaldtucker | March 20, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I agree, Bill. I cannot believe this country honestly believes that a larger federal government is what is needed right now. The media constantly distorts the opponents as "fringe" nuts. When did it become fringe to insist on fiscal responsibility and the best governance being at the local levels?

Posted by: randall_carter | March 20, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I put Kristol in the same category as the Catholic bishops, cardinals, and now even a Pope who denied, defended, and hid criminals.

Except Kristol deals in propaganda. Figure out what he proposes and conclude just the opposite -- you will be right more often than not.

Posted by: MReineck1 | March 20, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Billy Kristol in WaPost: It will not "end" a century-long struggle over health care. The issue will be revisited in November 2010 and in the next Congress and in November 2012.
Let’s hope so.. The struggle over health care is actually just starting. Until 20 years ago, most people didn’t know what a FMRI brain scan, or a TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury at birth), or stem cells or genetic therapies could do for the human race. Just creation of facilities that make such things available to all Americans, as the covenants of the Constitution say we should do, will take another 20 years. The current Congressional processes involve the creation of a new freedom, being born free of disease and inherited mental and physical problems. The trick in creating a new freedom will be not sacrificing the current Liberty and Justice to excess health taxation and excess medical costs. Independence Day was declared when the Nation declared itself free of totalitarian greed and oppression, but is the real Independence Day when the Nation declares that every tenth person in each state is born free of any health disorders for the rest of his life?

Posted by: arjay1 | March 20, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure Kristol and those of like mind believe that a trillion dollars could be better spent on another war.

Posted by: mingkeeper | March 20, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

More insanity, courtesy of Kristol Meth.

Posted by: angelos_peter | March 20, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Read the recent Gallup poll on the health
care debate. Republicans shouldn't gloat. Democrats shouldn't run scared.

Posted by: browneri | March 20, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

By should anyone with a functioning brain care what Bill Kristol says? His track record is miserable. On top of that he is the lead neocon who is responsible for saddling the country with Sarah Palin.
I guess the WaPo feels obligated to have a "conservative " on board but can't you do better than this loser?

Posted by: colton | March 20, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

an interesting slant. an accurate portayal.

ObamaCare will be "historic" in that if passed, it will constitute the biggest "scam" ever implemented upon the American public.

Lyndon can now rest in peace. The Bay of Tonkin fable slips far back into second place.

but at least Lyndon lied because he thought he was protecting America .... vs ... ObamaCare???

Posted by: esquire2 | March 20, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

is it too soon yet to look at a 2nd Constitutional Convention process? that would certainly be the Jeffersonian approach. or is there still free life left in the present document?

Posted by: AaronBurr1 | March 20, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Future Pt 1: ...today Kristol said that, "the only good ideas in it were insisted upon by Republicans."

With the Civil Rights legislation was passed there wasn't an appreciable change until the benefit of time gave us the long view. Since this Kristol article is in the manner of specualtion I will chime in with mine:

Many Republican congressmen and women will be taking advantage of people's short memories and a media that can no longer support the "brainy types" who do research..and will claim that they supported the health care bill all along. It will start when Kristol minces his words and claim that it was an "overreach."

Posted by: hrayovac | March 20, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Bill Kristol wrote: "This is what allows historic legislation to become historic -- it achieves broad support, is passed without parliamentary tricks, and becomes the broadly accepted law of the land."

How fortunate we are that Kristol has defined what "historic" means for us. To be fair, he is taking Obama to task for making the comparison between this legislation and the civil rights legislation of 1964. But it's possible for Obama to be guilty of making an inappropriate comparison between pieces of legislation AND for Kristol STILL to be dead wrong in defining what constitutes an historic vote. For the record, Kristol being wrong would have little shock value for me . . .

I would think that ANY legislation which creates a significant turning point in our society would qualify regardless of its margin of passage and whether or not parliamentary "tricks" were used to pass it (remember: what one side calls a "trick" when out of power is what THEY themselves did when in power--doesn't matter which party you're talking about).

Now whether or not THIS legislation is such a turning point is quite a different argument. But Kristol seems to think that it IS, predicting that, if it passes, this legislation would intensify the debate about the size of government, quite possibly with profound consequences for some time to come. Gee, Billy, wouldn't that make the passage of this bill (wait for it) . . . . HISTORIC?

And I bet that if the bill is defeated, Billy will trumpet the event as an HISTORIC triumph of those who stand for truth, justice, and the American way.

I suppose that WaPo pays him (possibly handsomely) for this stuff. Good work if you can get it . . . Where do I sign up?

Posted by: post_reader_in_wv | March 21, 2010 1:09 AM | Report abuse

nicely done, post_reader_in_wv. Your logic is flawless. I for one predict that like every other progressive legislative accomplishment, this one will taste nice and keep for a long time. teabaggers are afraid of this, it furthers them as a regional (read: obsolete) party. This bill sucks in it feeble and half-hearted attempt-to-fix, but you have to get started before you get finished!

Posted by: jbirdisaturd | March 21, 2010 4:32 AM | Report abuse

Kristol continues to be a far-right extremist seeking to return the U.S. to the economic policies of the 1920s and the social policies of the 1950s. Kristol refuses to acknowledge we are now in the 21st century, not the 20th.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | March 21, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Civil Rights enjoyed widespread support in the North, but not in the backward Southern states. Segregationists were still being elected in the South well into the 1970s. Southern states fought implementation of the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act well into the 1970s. No surprise that Kristol misrepresents history.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | March 21, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

If Kristol "predicted" that water would freeze at 0º Celsius, it would probably stop happening.

Posted by: misterjrthed | March 21, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Historic does not mean "Republicans are more interested in politics than policy." Historic means "having importance in or influence on history."

Posted by: dbhonig | March 21, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Kristol is in typical muddling form today: YES, the Republicans of old were not as acerbic and obstructionist as those of today. The SOUTH was. And guess which is the party of the South today? Same folks, same mean-spirited opposition to progress- now called the REPUBLICAN SOUTH (Byrd of course regrets his opposition at the time).

Here are the numbers that Kristol, who isn't qualified to teach history to kindergartners, would have us forget, from the 1964 Civil Rights Act:

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)

The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%)
Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%)

Posted by: DCpossum | March 21, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Billy "the liar" Kristoll. The man who has been wrong on everything. From the War in Iraq, to climate change, to the bailout.

If Kristoll says something, then you know the exact opposite is true.

He is just still another ignorant talking head on Faux News.

Posted by: Continuum | March 21, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I am neither Republican nor Democrat. I am simply an American Citizen. As such, I oppose passing of a bill that impacts all Americans where in order to do so, special treatment is given to individuals (i.e. Unions, Federal Employees, States) in order to buy representative's vote and support. Call me naive, but I think we deserve better than this.

Posted by: irene10 | March 21, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

very good points!
I personally have not struggled
to the high moral road of giving
every citizen of america
healthcare.
I was busy trying to feed my
kids.
obama is not sane.
he is another Fat Cat Politician,
who uses his position of power
to get huge grants for his family
and friends.
his class warfare is falling on deaf
ears.
the only good to come from from this,
is a real 'No Incumbents Vote'
in nov.

Posted by: simonsays1 | March 21, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

the Civil War was a pretty partisan affair, and that turned out to be "HISTORIC"

get a clue, goober

jistory is written about conflict

nobody reads about the happy times

how many people study the presidency of James Monroe ???

does anybody study the span from grant to Arther. Those were the times of raging bi-partisanship

people study Lincoln, and Wilson, and FDR

Kennedy and Johnson get some ink. Nivon is a popular historical figure

what do they have in common, CONFLICT

so your whole premise is false, goober

Posted by: nada85484 | March 21, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

is it too soon yet to look at a 2nd Constitutional Convention process?

-------------------------------------

go ahead and try, goober

you need a majority of Americans to do it

and we are NOT on your side

knock yerselves OUT

your stupidity helps the democrats

Posted by: nada85484 | March 21, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Wlliam (The Schmuck) Kristol has spoken, and delivered his dictum.

Just like We would be greeted as Liberatrs, Iraq was a war worth fighting, Bush will be rememebred as a great President, Israel has never committed war crimes, Reagan was the best-President-EVER, and all the rest of his twisted, sick reality.

Kristol thanks to you and your friends the WaPo has become an unreadable right-wing tabloid rag. See you and yours in November, OK, and let's see then if the votes you predict are going GOP come to pass.

Posted by: Wellstone | March 21, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

This bill isn't the historic the way Kristol pulled himself up by his own bootstraps.

Posted by: Msut1 | March 21, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Do you have a right to someone else's services? Rights don't involve taking from one and giving to another but essentially that's what "health" "care" "reform" will do. This legislation stinks to high heaven. It is not going to lower costs, despite what the CBO claims. They can only go by what is in the bill and the bill uses all sorts of fallacies. Interesting article by Walter Williams:

http://www.creators.com/opinion/walter-williams/is-health-care-a-right.html

Posted by: soc993 | March 21, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

This may be the last comment to appear in response to Kristol's piece, but having commented previously about his utterly confused and downright pathetic definition of what constitutes "historic" legislation, I just couldn't resist adding this little codetta (I know, I know--I really should try to be a nicer person):

Now that the bill HAS passed, Billy, and your employer (WaPo) has run a headline calling this vote (. . . wait for it . . . oh, gawd, this is fun) HISTORIC (!!!!), are you not a bit anxious that they might notice that you're wrong once again? Of course, maybe they keep you around for comic relief.

Posted by: post_reader_in_wv | March 21, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

I disagree with Jerry above. Obama pretending to be president is not a joke. It is treaon.

Posted by: annnort | March 22, 2010 5:09 AM | Report abuse

All those touting this bill, the benefits do not start until 2014. The TAXES start at once. Yes, we pay taxes for 4 years before you get insurance! You liberals posting your name calling and idiotic insinuations need to read the bill. Oh, you never learned to read? Surely sounds like you can not read with comprehension.

Posted by: annnort | March 22, 2010 5:26 AM | Report abuse

Suck it up, Bill, and get used to it! Your days in the political sun are numbered.

Posted by: lcandell | March 22, 2010 6:04 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone read the new health care bill? It sounds like a lot of people here are letting off steam about something they don't know anything about. Could someone post a few particulars that could be discussed.

Posted by: think11 | March 22, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, Mr. Kristol, for yet another cynical opinion. It has flushed out the comments of the teabagging rodents that you and the Republican Party depend upon to cast aspersions on a president whose character and ability neither you nor they can ever hope to display.

Posted by: gspanos44 | March 22, 2010 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Bill, the United States is the only major industrialized nation that doesn't guarantee primary health care as a right to every citizen, and our health status statistics testify to its implications. Health care is precisely like civil rights, Bill. It's pitiiful to see a man with your obvious intelligence spike his tea with cyanide, but we reap what we sow.
Mark Gary Blumenthal, MD, MPH
Knoxville, TN

Posted by: bloommarko4 | March 22, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Seems we like to say we are a Christian country. If that is so, why would we be against Health Care Reform. It is our moral responsibility. Those so-called Christians who "spit", yell "racial slurs" and the like should be ashamed of themselves. It is totally un-American as well. The Dick Armey tea party members are a disgrace as are most radical members of the right. Thank God the Democratic Party had the courage to move forward.

Posted by: cpbis | March 22, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

True to form, Kristol is full of bull. True, you never step in the same river twice and this is not the same issue as Civil Rights. But his notion that the Civil Rights Act somehow magically transformed the world and was accepted without problem is ahistorical nonsense. He, of all people, should well know that it was the Civil Rights Act that rejuvenated the GOP by giving them the South, essentially until today (although the GOP's hold on that region is starting to break). So, what Kristol is predicting is that the same will occur in this case, that this passage will bring about a renaissance in GOP fortunes because it will attract to the party those who oppose the new policy. That is why he does not want to acknowledge the similarity, because he does not want to point out that, for 40 years, the GOP has exploited and profited from the racial resentment originating in the passage of the Civil Rights Act. Well, guess what Kristol - you are right, this is not going to be the same as the Civil Rights Act. This time the GOP will not manage to parlay the Health Care Reform into electoral gold. Even those who oppose it now (under the thralldom of far right lies, manipulation, and scare tactics) will soon realize that the sky did not fall, the Republic did not descend into chaos, and their lives DID get better. The problem with crying wolf and chick little tactics is that you can only keep it up so long before people realize you are full of bull and start ignoring you. That is going to start happening to the GOP REAL SOON. Hasta la vista, losers!!!!!

Posted by: marecek | March 22, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

This Bill is a historic disaster...not ONE Republican supported it and 34 Deem-o-crats voted against it.

It will raise insurance premiums and taxes and doesn't do anything to improve health care ....oh, but it *does* create 16,500 new IRS agents to enforce the provisions. So, the real beneficiary is the GOVERNMENT.

Obama and Pelosi - two crooked idiots.

REPEAL!

Posted by: TomPaine76 | March 22, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

So I guess the Civil War wasn't historic. Viet Nam wasn't historic? Obama's election wasn't historic? None of those things had "broad bi-partisan support", yet they did make history.

Posted by: torp74 | March 22, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations, Mr. Kristol, on your 7th year Iraq War anniversary. Your cohorts and you have cost us trillions in war debt, payments for disfigured soldiers, and thousands of civilian and military lives. All worth it, though, as we now have a stable and functioning state out there, and those pesky WMD have been intercepted.

Thanks so much and keep the fight against using any of those funds to help the needy in our country.

Posted by: mshivlani | March 22, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Obama is confused in his recall of history. Free healthcare is not some God given right.

This current bad legislation in the making doesn't resemble Civil Rights Act of '64 but rather Medicare Act of '65 and look where that got us.

Posted by: mlemac | March 22, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Man, Oh, Man DO I LOVE IT when Kristol makes predictions. I think we should make "kristol" into a term that means something like "just the opposite will actually happen." Reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where George does just the opposite of what his gut tells him to do and everything works out great for him.

Posted by: lectricbass | March 22, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse


That's right. We had better Republicans
then.
Which makes this all the more historic for having to keep dodging obstructionism and little contribution.

Posted by: dcunning1 | March 22, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Health care is a right, not a privilege. Picture yourself with a young child who has cancer, then picture your insurance company saying we will provide a transplant, but we will not search for a donor, without which you cannot have a transplant. Please, put a price on your child's head, because that's what they ask you to do. Then sell your house and lose your job. Do NOT tell me what that feels like, because I already know. But then again, maybe it will never happen to you...

Posted by: julieforBarack | March 22, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Once more, Conservatives failed to explain what was going on, though they seem to have a greater ability to reason than the Leftists.

How can something be a right if someone has to provide it for you? And if it is a right, what does that make the American citizen who is compelled by the full force of the American government to provide it for you?

Posted by: winclay2 | March 22, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

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