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Arizona's shameful 'immigration' bill

It is nothing short of astonishing that Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer Friday signed a bill that could make it dangerous just to look Hispanic.

That’s not the purpose of the new law, of course. As The Post reported, the law “requires authorities in Arizona to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are in the country illegally.” The Arizona Republic notes that it “would require anyone whom police suspect of being in the country illegally to produce ‘an alien registration document,’ such as a green card or other proof of citizenship, such as a passport or Arizona driver's license.”

What does this mean in practice? Here’s what the Republic -- not by any stretch a left-wing newspaper -- said about the bill in an editorial:

The broad anti-immigrant bill passed by the Legislature this week makes it a crime to be in the country illegally and gives local cops the job of demanding documentation if they have reasonable suspicion someone lacks it.

The need to carry proper ‘papers’ falls squarely on Arizona's Latino population -- including those born and raised in the Grand Canyon State. The bill invites racial profiling and ignores the fact that Latinos are an intrinsic part of Arizona's history and its future. Arizona's senators should know that.

The bill . . . is bringing thundering bad publicity that will echo for years to come. It will lead to lost economic-development opportunities, lost tourism and lost opportunities to expand our trade and commercial ties with Mexico.

It’s rather strange that many who say they mistrust government overreach could support a law of this sort. Religious leaders, conservative as well as progressive, have been among the most powerful voices against this. The organization Faith in Public Life sent out an e-mail that included many responses from the religious community, among them was:

The Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, president of National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference: “If you are Hispanic in Arizona, you just became a suspect and open to police harassment.”

The New Evangelical Partnership for the Common Good declared that the law would have the effect of “mandating racial profiling, criminalizing ministry to undocumented immigrants, separating immigrant families, and exacerbating a climate of fear and suspicion that pits neighbor against neighbor.” It called it a “wholly unbiblical and immoral law.”

And Gideon Aronoff, the president and CEO of the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, said the law means that “Arizonans are now living in a world where police may impound vehicles transporting anyone found to be an undocumented immigrant, which means that Arizonans who don’t check the papers of the kids they drive to Sunday school may now be engaging in illegal activity.”

It’s good that President Obama condemned this bill -- and very sad that Sen. John McCain, long a reasonable and humane voice on immigration but now facing a tough Republican primary, supported it.

“Obviously there is very high frustration over the issue of illegal immigration,” Joe Rubio, lead Arizona organizer for the Industrial Areas Foundation, told me shortly after Brewer signed the bill. “Nobody likes it.”

Yet the new law, he said, “gives lip service to protecting the border, but does nothing of the sort….This is just plainly anti-American, anti-humanitarian.”

There is also worry among police officers that the bill would discourage cooperation with law enforcement and take resources away from basic crime fighting. As Rubio put it, “People are not going to report crimes if they feel they’re in jeopardy.”

The law is certain to be challenged in Court and is likely to be reviewed by the Justice Department. But legitimate concern about illegal immigration should never have been translated into a law like this.

By E.J. Dionne  | April 23, 2010; 5:45 PM ET
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Nice, Nice!!!!. Ohhh, the word Achtung! is being raised again!, Gestapo tactics like? Federal government should jail this governor for approving racist like laws. Period.

Posted by: pieroni73 | April 23, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

soy mexicana chicano con un nopal en la frente pero, pero,pero this law rocks! ya es tiempo, the government has not been able to handle 20 million illegal aliens whom are all on food stamps, medicaid, chips, prenatal, we educate every, every illegal child that comes here flooding the schools and we give them free breakfast, free lunch, subsidized chilcare and zillion more benefits and they are "HELLO"! illegal. now we have kidnappings, border wars what the hell do we need congress who sleep in a safe neighborhood, with no illegals down the street. well let me tell you i did live with them and they are hell! so yes i agree with this law if they ask me if i have a green card i'll just tell them my visa is blue! and thats all the card i have.

Posted by: jbillalpando | April 23, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse


IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WONT ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS--STATES WILL.
Arizona Govern Jan Brewer has more--SPINE--than the majority of our politicians, to fight the overpowering onslaught of illegal immigration. She signed the 1070 immigration bill. Its ignorance and indifference of Washington to enforce our immigration laws. In fact they have purposely under funded them. San. Harry Reid (D-NV) is not being outed just for health care reform, but being a puppet of open border-special interests groups? LETS MAKE THAT CLEAR.One thing for absolutely sure, desperate illegal alien families will be fleeing Arizona, for more greener pastures such as California. Seeing California is a Refuge state for illegal foreigners and already has the largest illegal population in Unites States other than New York. Now starving for billions of dollars, California will have to amend there own enforcement laws to stop the massive migration or pay a heavy price in extorting more money from taxpayers. Then there is always Utah, Texas, New Mexico or even farther states such as Washington. ONE THINGS FOR SURE, THAT THEY MAY PASS SOME FORMULATION OF IMMIGRATION REFORM. BUT AMERICA WILL FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL THAT NO "PATH--TO--CITIZENSHIP" FOR THOSE WHO CAME HERE ILLEGALLY. I am personally a tea partier-and illegal immigration is the no.1 priority to me, and must be stopped for good.

Californian's are under financial hardship owing to the welfare programs that caters to illegal alien families, and with an outpouring of Arizona's illegals the Sacramento budget will triple in handouts. Californian's, specifically Angeleno's and San Francisco There should be no excuse why FEDERAL SOLDIERS SHOULD BE NOT DEPLOYED TO THE 2000 MILE BORDER. They need to police the border, with the under-manned border patrol and even a poorly funded law enforcement agencies. Sheriffs and deputies that are in a very dangerous area are rudimentary armed, against heinous felons, drug cartels, skin traffickers, smugglers and the flow of unceasing indigent illegal immigrants. LET ME REITERATE, THAT IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT IS ONLY SEEN TO WORK. BUT THE TRUTH IS ITS NOT ENFORCED--THAT RIGHT NOW HOMELAND SECURITY HAS CUT BUDGETS FOR IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT. If you are--NOT--an open border extremist, join the organization that is fighting for our rights, your language, freedoms and liberty at NumbersUSA.

Posted by: infinity555 | April 23, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

HURRRRRAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THANK GOD FOR THE CONSTITUTION AND STATES RIGHTS!

Posted by: FrankTrades | April 23, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

HURRRRRAAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!!

THANK GOD FOR THE CONSTITUTION AND STATES RIGHTS!!!!

Posted by: FrankTrades | April 23, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

The only way to enforce this fairly is to stop everyone. Make everyone in the state of AZ show their American passports whenever they encounter a cop. Anything less is unfairly targeting the minority population.

Posted by: chi-town | April 23, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how the Republicans worry all the time about the government becoming a tyrant, except when they are handing it extraordinary police powers. The model in this case is not Uncle Joe Stalin but apartheid South Africa's old passbook laws. Oh, and in those days the police also picked up unruly whites. The law doesn't specify you've got to look Hispanic. Can you prove you are here legally, white man? No, then don't catch a cop's attention.

Posted by: bbolles | April 23, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

According to liberals:

-We should not secure the border as to keep illegals out.

-Police should not have the right to target illegals for the crime of being an illegal immigrant. Approaching someone who looks illegal and questioning them about their status/asking for papers is "racist."

Liberals want Mexicans to have the unlimited right to pore into the United States, which is insane because 36% of Mexicans (per a poll) would come here if they could.

Posted by: Paul_Atredies | April 23, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

The only thing that is shameful about Arizona's new immigration law is that it took this long to implement.As far as president Obama's remark that it's misguided. What's more misguided then having your military protect some other countries border while neglecting your own.Perhaps this move will get the president doing what should have been done years ago.

Posted by: mturner51 | April 23, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Chuck D was right. A whole state full of racists.


By The Time I Get To Arizona

I'm countin' down to the day deservin'
Fittin' for a king
I'm waitin' for the time when I can
Get to Arizona
'Cause my money's spent on
The goddamn rent
Neither party is mine not the
Jackass or the elephant
20.000 nig niggy nigas in the corner
Of the cell block but they come
From California
Population none in the desert and sun
Wit' a gun cracker
Runnin' things under his thumb
Starin' hard at the postcards
Isn't it odd and unique?
Seein' people smile wild in the heat
120 degree
'Cause I wanna be free
What's a smilin' fact
When the whole state's racist
Why want a holiday F--k it 'cause I wanna
So what if I celebrate it standin' on a corner
I ain't drinkin' no 40
I B thinkin' time wit' a nine
Until we get some land
Call me the trigger man
Looki lookin' for the governor
Huh he ain't lovin' ya
But here to trouble ya
He's rubbin' ya wrong
Get the point come along

An he can get to the joint
I urinated on the state
While I was kickin' this song
Yeah, he appear to be fair
The cracker over there
He try to keep it yesteryear
The good ol' days
The same ol' ways
That kept us dyin'
Yes, you me myself and I'ndeed
What he need is a nosebleed
Read between the lines
Then you see the lie
Politically planned
But understand that's all she wrote
When we see the real side
That hide behind the vote
They can't understand why he the man
I'm singin' 'bout a king
They don't like it
When I decide to mike it
Wait I'm waitin' for the date
For the man who demands respect
'Cause he was great c'mon
I'm on the one mission
To get a politician
To honor or he's a gonner
By the time I get to Arizona

I got 25 days to do it
If a wall in the sky
Just watch me go thru it
'Cause I gotta do what I gotta do
PE number one
Gets the job done
When it's done and over
Was because I drove'er
Thru all the static
Not stick but automatic
That's the way it is
He gotta get his
Talin' MLK
Gonna find a way
Make the state pay
Lookin' for the day
Hard as it seems
This ain't no damn dream
Gotta know what I mean
It's team against team
Catch the light beam
So I pray
I pray everyday
I do and praise jah the maker
Lookin' for culture
I got but not here
From jah maker
Pushin' and shakin' the structure
Bringin' down the babylon
Hearin' the sucker
That make it hard for the brown
The hard Boulova
I need now
More than ever now
Who's sittin' on my freedah'
Opressor people beater
Piece of the pick
We picked a piece
Of land that we deservin' now
Reparation a piece of the nation
And damn he got the nerve
Another niga they say and classify
We want too much
My peep plus the whole nine is mine
Don't think I even double dutch
Here's a brother my attitude hit 'em
Hang 'em high
Blowin' up the 90s started tickin' 86
When the blind get a mind
Better start and earn while we sing it
Now
There will be the day we know those down and who will go

Posted by: lastort1 | April 23, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand what the big deal is. What is so bad about making it a CRIME to be in the country ILLEGALLY?

I always thought illegal = crime but maybe I was wrong.

Posted by: BradG | April 23, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

if you are a mexican an no green card, so you are illegal!!!, don't try to make you innocent. Hope you are kicked off too so you will see how a Gestapo law applies also to you by your face, color or citizenship.

Posted by: pieroni73 | April 23, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I just don't understand.
Did they really just make a law that makes something ILLEGAL a crime? Really? And people are OPPOSING THIS?
This country makes no sense.
If you are an illegal immigrant, you're not supposed to be there, and that's that.

Posted by: _Jay_ | April 23, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Why the legal immigration system is closed? so everybody having a legal condition is being pushed and pushed to be illegal. Want to put everybody out? fine for me, but fix the crap of the legal way. All civilized not bigotry countries in the world, have a maximum of 6 months to deliver papers for people who apply for or has a sponsor. (Australia, New Zealand,England, my country (Italy), etc). So it's ver nice to kick every body out and at the same time being hypocrite of saing apply via the legal way when the legal way is closed.

Posted by: pieroni73 | April 23, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I love all the right wing morons who replied in a way that makes it clear they didn't even understand or read the article.

Posted by: wideblacksky | April 23, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Achtung!!!, papers please!!!

Posted by: pieroni73 | April 23, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

By the way, the Governor forgot to extend the bill applicability to the first illegal immigrants that populate Arizona. That would be fair and will have my support. Maybe she will have to go back where her family belongs in the first place.

Posted by: pieroni73 | April 23, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Guess people in 49 other States don't want disease coughing on them unchecked by immigration laws either.
There are petitions being signed in every State by voters now hopi9ng to follow Arizona lawmankers.

The States want saftey where the Feds failed them.

Democrats are going to get with their pants on the ground at polls where State Legislature demands to see Obama's papers or he can't be on their ballot too.

Nevada just filed it's case against Healthcare, and they won't be the last.

Posted by: dottydo | April 23, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey why not just make all the hispanic looking people in AZ just wear a yellow star, you know it's been done before and it was sooooo effective.

Posted by: DEACON54 | April 23, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Great Job!...this female gov has more gonads than any democratic man and barney franks....but not as big as rachael maddows...but Jan Brewer is a true American...even the immigrants that worked hard and followed our Laws are rejoicing with American Pride.

Posted by: JWx2 | April 23, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Once upon a time there was a land where the people were very angry. There was a depression and much crime in the land.Some very loud people said " we must blame someone for our troubles". So they found a scapegoat. The people asked " how will we know these scapegoats"? and the leader said " we will decide on some mark, maybe they can wear a mark on their clothing, maybe a little sombrero". The very loud people were very happy with this because it would be easier to round them up. The loud people were angry with the leader that they had and they wanted to pick a new leader just like themselves.They looked at their favorites,some politicians,loud pundits and some has-beens. Then they picked out the loudest and angriest to be their Leader. The Leader said " I will make the loud people Happy, I will round up all the scapegoats and put them some place". The loud people were very happy, but soon there were too many scapegoats. The loud people asked their Leader " what will we ever do with so many scapegoats?" The Leader smiled and answered," don't worry, I have the Final Solution"! Sound Familiar?

Posted by: Donna3 | April 23, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

As a AZ resident wish to ask Dionne to stay in the DC area and leave us to decided as to the Constitutionality of this law.

At least some one isw doing somthing about the problems of being killed by illegals in ones own back yard.

We want law and order.

Th majority of Mexican/Americans are for this bill, so it's not racist.

Posted by: flippo10 | April 23, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

The only way to enforce this fairly is to stop everyone. Make everyone in the state of AZ show their American passports whenever they encounter a cop. Anything less is unfairly targeting the minority population.

Posted by: chi-town

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hopw silly.

I think you wouldn't be one of the 30 under plywood, in the back of a pickup truck in a traffic stop would you?

Try as you might the State needed better tools and this Governor just granted them one more.

The most stunning were the numbers of illegals who are students and on the taxpayers dole there. The State businesses cannot hire legally any illegal.
The population has gone broke and is laying off police and recently sold their Capital building trying to educate these little kooks in the Street carrying mexican flags and yelling in a foreign tongue YES WE CAN.

Mexico is not moving North there anymore,inspite of acorn nuttys like Dionne.

When Oscar B Goodman told Obama off Las Vegas filled up again. Toruist can feel a lot safer in Arizona soon and will go.
God Bless the little State for Standing up.

They only have 8 districts there, but a lot of America US Constitution runs deep in their veins. Good for the Governor.

Send the illegal students packing for truancy and their illegal status, so their families go back to yell in their own streets.


http://www.kpho.com/video/index.html

Posted by: dottydo | April 23, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be interesting if someone sued the State of Arizona to amend this law to read that EVERYONE who lives in or enters Arizona must carry proof of their U.S. citizenship or risk arrest, making it a requirement for everyone to carry such proof on their persons at all time? Would that change the conversation just a bit? Oh, you bet it would!

Just a thought.

Posted by: gwpolley | April 23, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I would be ALL FOR a law requiring ALL of us to show ID at checkpoints. I say enact a law like this, make it temporary, say, two years in every state. I will be GLAD GLAD GLAD to show my ID, birth cert., whatever, to get all these illegals off American soil. I would bet 80% of Americans would also be happy to show ID at immigration checkpoints.
SET EM' UP, Lets get this ROLLIN' and clean this nation up! No racism here, lets ALL show our cards. I'll volunteer to be first in line.
R.

Posted by: runester | April 23, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Goodness.. do they not have schools in Arizona? The grammar of the comments here is horrifying.

Anyway, doesn't this law have a clear 4th-Amendment problem?

Posted by: Section406 | April 23, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

"Hey why not just make all the hispanic looking people in AZ just wear a yellow star?" Occurred to me too but I was wondering since the yellow star (of David) was a Jewish religious symbol, what would Arizona make Hispanics wear -- a yellow cross? What an utter disgrace. I will not even agree to change planes in Phoenix now, to say nothing of spending any time or money there, including professional conferences that I will now have to skip.

Posted by: clare_knight | April 23, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

This bill will help the gun runners most of all.

In fact, I'll bet gun running and drug money is behind it.

Who in the Hispanic community is going to go to the police with a suspicion of gun running or drug smuggling if it means risking that their tip is not followed up and instead they or their neighbor might be searched and seized for not carrying proper ID?

Posted by: bethechangeyouwant | April 23, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

as if there are no white people here illegally - will they be checking them, too?

How? With a US drivers license that looks like a Cracker Jack prize?

Posted by: areyousaying | April 23, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Have you asked yourself how you arrived to America?
Well let me give you a brief history...If you are Black, then you were forced to come to the states and work as a slave. If you are Mexican, then the American Southwest was taken over by the United States and you were "given" citizenship status after the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo because you were considered "white". Yet, this was a phony legislation because after the enactment of this law, Mexican-Americans were perceived as second class citizens and taken advantage through the establishment of the Homestead Act. If you are Native American, you were established here prior to any other ethnic group. Unfortunately, Europeans brought over disease, killed many Native men and raped many of their women which is the reason why very few are found in America. Now, if you are white, life has been difficult for you if were Italian or Irish because you weren't perceived as a pure White Anglo Saxon, but lets not forget that unlike other color ethnic groups you were more "able" to assimilate and integrate to white American Society. Hence, in the eyes of white America, you are simply American. If you are a White Anglo Saxon, to become American you committed genocide, you stole, you imprisoned people and built strong economy out of them. From my educational background at UCLA and Columbia, I have never heard of a law that incriminated you or deported you back to your "HOME" country.

Just to let you know, I am an an undocumented immigrant, I am educated, my family pays taxes, I give to America more than I receive and I love people from all backgrounds. Moreover, God granted me life not to establish borders, but to help my fellow brothers in need.

Posted by: jserranoucla | April 23, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Thats a good question, Why dont all these mexicans go chant YES WE CAN on the streets of Mexico? The only differance between there and here, is this is a country built and run by "Old White Men"
I here all these insults against "Old White Men" so why are they even here in this "Old White Mans" country. Maybe old white men are better at buidling functional communities? I dont know, maybe? Lets all compare the worlds nations. Do the ones run by evil white people do better than others?
I'll let everyone draw there own conclusions.
If it wasnt for the forefathers,
America would just be part of a bigger, failing Mexico. Seriously. All you Mexicans need to go home and fight for better lives there instead of trying to pimp white culture. Because seriously, white culture's had enough of your demands.
R

Posted by: runester | April 23, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

According to liberals:

-We should not secure the border as to keep illegals out.

-Police should not have the right to target illegals for the crime of being an illegal immigrant. Approaching someone who looks illegal and questioning them about their status/asking for papers is "racist."

Liberals want Mexicans to have the unlimited right to pore into the United States, which is insane because 36% of Mexicans (per a poll) would come here if they could.

Posted by: Paul_Atredies
___________________________

hey paul, you speak in platitudes. what does an illegal look like? give us a description please.

Posted by: countdown2009 | April 23, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Most illegals look mexican. I'd say, in Arizona, like 99%
I'm white, and would be happy to show any document required, at any time, in any place. Its only a big deal to illegals and those who support them
R

Posted by: runester | April 23, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Why should the federal gov't bother enforcing immigration laws while American business hangs a giant sign at border saying (in Spanish, of course) "Help Wanted, Apply Within, No Questions Asked."

These people are here at the express invitation of American business. Got a problem with that? Call the Chamber of Commerce.

And since we're getting rid of all the illegal aliens, let's expel all Anglos from Arizona, since they came in illegally in 1848.

Amnesty? Why not? We gave amnesty after the War of Southern Treason.

Posted by: Garak | April 23, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Nice. It makes it illegal to look illegal and then requires the person stopped who is looking illegal to provide a specific form of ID. Sounds like a national ID card that conservatives so detested. But I guess if you think you could never possibly look illegal, then what the heck the idea of requiring ID that proves you are legal is okay. But wait, that means everyone who goes to Arizona or lives in Arizona cannot safely (unless they somehow are convinced what an illegal looks like -- oh it must be latino) leave their home or walk the street without ID. Otherwise they will violate the law if some law enforcement person thinks they look illegal. And, they cannot racial profile so they better go after everyone.

Great going Arizona -- and this will in no way solve the problem. This is more of "take my country back" as long as it looks, talks, walks, and smells like a Tea Partier.

Well, I have been to Arizona before. Nice state but I can skip it from now on.

Posted by: Jerry26 | April 23, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully, American's from Arizona can be also identified abroad and kick back to Arizona.

Posted by: pieroni73 | April 23, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

All you whining AXTECA's re-conquerers better get used to this shift in politics. If you think Americans are going to let this, "Re-Taking" go on, your wrong. More of these laws are coming.
I want the one where we ALL show ID, that way there is no profiling; Even across the board. Have buses and towtrucks ready and on hand for confiscation and immidiate Re-patriation. See, the thing is, your illeagals are bankrupting us.
R

Posted by: runester | April 23, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

The political dynamics in Arizona are interesting. Republicans are in control of both houses of the state legislature along with the Governor's office.

To win a Republican nomination for the various contests requires subordination to the Right-wingnuts who vote in party primaries and control the party in Arizona.

So the 'shock' regarding Brewer signing this bill is a surprise to me. She's running in a primary and being tarred as the 'moderate' (Right wingnut Republican speak for 'socialist'). If she doesn't sign this bill, she definitely loses the nomination for Governor. The thing is, it isn't that she is a 'moderate' -- she's just less radically right wing than the state party.

The same has applied to McCain running against JD Hateward for Senate. Hateward, is among other things, something of a 'birther'. You get the drift there.

Anyway, as has been noted, the Teabaggers in the state support this bill. Thus the teabaggers demonstrate their curious conflict between lack of trust/faith in the government (and desire for a smaller less intrusive government) and their full blooded support of racial profiling bills.

Arizona hasn't produced a state budget since the 2008 recession hit -- even though it has same party majorities in the legislature and a Republican governor. They can't (or won't) balance the budget and continue to press to cut costs. The thing is, full implementation of this bill will cost millions in terms of law enforcement costs, court costs, and prison costs. At the same time, this bill will as noted by others, REDUCE revenues in Arizona by making it something of a pariah locale for revenue enhancing conferences and trade.

So while it is clear that Brewer, in order to continue her quest for election as Governor, had to sign this bill, it isn't clear that the passage and enactment of this bill demonstrates much more than the 'double digit' IQ of the legislature and its dominant party.

Posted by: Barry8 | April 23, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

We are wasting our time by blaming liberals, conservatives, Democrats or Republicans for this big problem. Why? Because they, and WE, are all responsible for the fact that this big problem, which has been developing for many, many years has NOT been addressed by any of them, or us, for many, many years.
It is the "fault" of all of us. And, the more time we spend blaming one another for the "problem" the more time we waste. Time that could be spent trying to come up with some kind of solution.
I don't know what the "solution" is, but I do know that stripping ourselves of the opportunity to brainstorm by using the best minds of ALL of us makes the problem worse.
Please, people. We really are all in this together. And it is serious. Could we all just stop blaming for a moment and sit down and try to hash out a rational, reasonable (even if it is "radical") plan?

Posted by: cms1 | April 23, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Its about time someone did something because sure a heck our senators cant seem to do anything beyond EAT !!!!! and get FATTER IN THE WALLET !!!!!!!

VOTE ALL INCUMBENTS OUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TAKE BACK AMERICA !!!!!

Posted by: yourmomscalling | April 23, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Good grief, has everyone forgotten that illegal means illegal, and forget the profiling thing, the US 2010 Census has already done that.

Posted by: lltroy | April 23, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Received this email. So sharing:

Let's see now:
IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY,

YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.

IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY,

YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY

IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY,

YOU GET SHOT.

IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY,

YOU WILL BE JAILED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY,

YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.

IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY,

YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED..

IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY,

YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.

HOWEVER...

IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY,

YOU GET...


A JOB,
A DRIVERS LICENSE,
A SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
WELFARE,
FOOD STAMPS,
CREDIT CARDS,
SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
FREE EDUCATION,
FREE HEALTH CARE,
A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE
THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH RESPECT


AND,

IN MANY INSTANCES,

YOU CAN VOTE.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAD A FIRM GRASP OF THE SITUATION...

Posted by: lltroy | April 23, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse


countdown2009 ask:
"what does an illegal look like?

Answer: Generally mexican. However, if he's mexican and legal, he'll be OK.
.

Posted by: Billw3 | April 23, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I think that this law is just. the whole government is to blame. George W. Bush was in bed with Fox and Fox needed to relieve presure on his government. Obama is in bed with the SEIU who have a huge Hispanic membership. So as near as this First Generation Immigrat is concerned all are to blame.

If wou want to come to this country go through the normal chanels and become a citizen. If all you want is to come and have babies and play a most generous system you should be sent back.

Posted by: jemoore1 | April 23, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

This nation needs a two year law where all legal citizens are verified through checkpoints and door to door. Simple ID required to be cross referanced with handheld computers linked to state and federal DMV/Social Security data bases. This way there is no accusation of profiling. Anyone found to be illegal re-patriated immdiately, Anyone found using the identity of an American should be arrested and all assets siezed. This Country needs to be cleaned up, from the ground up.
R

Posted by: runester | April 23, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Where do you live EJ? Let's bring a family of five illegal aliens to your home to support and feed you big blowhard.

Posted by: sperrico | April 23, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

The hate lately bubbling up from the darkest pits of this country is a disgusting and frightening thing to behold.

Posted by: binkynh | April 23, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Soon there will be a law that says that every southern white male who lives in a trailer will have to prove he is not a Klansmen.

Posted by: FilmMD | April 23, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be interesting if someone sued the State of Arizona to amend this law to read that EVERYONE who lives in or enters Arizona must carry proof of their U.S. citizenship or risk arrest, making it a requirement for everyone to carry such proof on their persons at all time? Would that change the conversation just a bit? Oh, you bet it would!

Just a thought.

Posted by: gwpolley

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What a dumb as a brick idea.

They already had to sell their Capital building to support the illegals in schools.

They had to fire hundreds of law enforcement because they are broke.

Someone ought to look into sedition charges on whoever would file a frivilous lawsuit, after the insane way this Fed has treated them.

The Governor begged to the Fed for help, for the last year and it is well documented.

Posted by: dottydo | April 23, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

The hate is just starting to boil. Serioulsy.
Thing is, these illegals arent escaping some dictator who trying the wipe them out. They just havent got the guts to change their own system, so they are exploiting ours. People are starting to get it, and are getting angrier by the day. If they would fight for change in Mexico, the whole continent would evolve. As it is, they are just being lazy Mexicans and coming here for the freebies, which Americans pay for. If you look at it for what it is, you cant help but get mad.
R.

Posted by: runester | April 23, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be interesting if someone sued the State of Arizona to amend this law to read that EVERYONE who lives in or enters Arizona must carry proof of their U.S. citizenship or risk arrest, making it a requirement for everyone to carry such proof on their persons at all time? Would that change the conversation just a bit? Oh, you bet it would!

Just a thought.

Posted by: gwpolley

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What a dumb as a brick idea.

They already had to sell their Capital building to support the illegals in schools.

They had to fire hundreds of law enforcement because they are broke.

Someone ought to look into sedition charges on whoever would file a frivilous lawsuit, after the insane way this Fed has treated them.

The Governor begged to the Fed for help, for the last year and it is well documented.

Posted by: dottydo | April 23, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Let's see now:
IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY,

YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.

IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY,

YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY

IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY,

YOU GET SHOT.

IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY,

YOU WILL BE JAILED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY,

YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.

IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY,

YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED..

IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY,

YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.

HOWEVER...

IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY,

YOU GET...


A JOB,
A DRIVERS LICENSE,
A SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
WELFARE,
FOOD STAMPS,
CREDIT CARDS,
SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
FREE EDUCATION,
FREE HEALTH CARE,
A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE
THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH RESPECT


AND,

IN MANY INSTANCES,

YOU CAN VOTE.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAD A FIRM GRASP OF THE SITUATION...

Posted by: lltroy | April 23, 2010 7:42 PM

+++

right, America sounds great. I agree. But you're saying that we should be more like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and North Korea.

Swell, other bright ideas? OR CAN'T YOU READ UNLESS IT'S A|LL IN CAPS?

Posted by: goexplode | April 23, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I have to show GOOD ID when I'm stopped,If the cops would do thier jobs,we would'nt have 14,000,000 plus people in our country,sucking us dry. Send them back to where they came from!!! If they want to live in the USA,make them earn it by joining the Army,or whatever,or put them in prison,not be nice to them!!!

Posted by: HHOMAN | April 23, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand how people could support illegal immigration.

I think politicians oppose this measure at the peril of their career. People want effective immigration controls, and the feds are against it.

The Republicans are against it because illegals represent cheap labor, the Democrats are against it because they get illegal voters to support them.

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | April 23, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be interesting if someone sued the State of Arizona to amend this law to read that EVERYONE who lives in or enters Arizona must carry proof of their U.S. citizenship or risk arrest, making it a requirement for everyone to carry such proof on their persons at all time? Would that change the conversation just a bit? Oh, you bet it would!

Just a thought.

Posted by: gwpolley

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What a dumb as a brick idea.

They already had to sell their Capital building to support the illegals in schools.

They had to fire hundreds of law enforcement because they are broke.

Someone ought to look into sedition charges on whoever would file a frivilous lawsuit, after the insane way this Fed has treated them.

The Governor begged to the Fed for help, for the last year and it is well documented.
.................

Great, it's dodo... again.

Getting a little extra "personal time" before your meds tonight, psycho?

Posted by: binkynh | April 23, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Dionne,

Arizona is a border state with the highest kidnapping rate in the western world. It is easy and politically expedient to take shots at a place that you don't live in. The fact is that illegal immigration is draining public resources in education, emergency care and law enforcement. CA where i live spends updwards $900 million a year of tax dollars on INCARCERATING CRIMINAL ALIENS.

At what point does society say enough is enough?

Posted by: bobusgrant | April 23, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

This bill is glorious. It's EJ Dionne who is a shamefully stupid columnist.

God, how many times will immigration and amnesty opponents have to listen to accusations of being racists and "haters." The label "hater" sounds so school yard, so childish. And its meaningless. If anti-amnesty folks really hated Latinos, they would try to harm them not only in the US but in Mexico, too. They would sneak across our unsecured border and take shots at them with sniper rifles. But they don't. Immigration restrictionists correctly perceive our country as full-up. Our economy generates insufficient jobs to employ everyone who needs and wants to work. Even so-called skilled immigrants push citizens out of white collar and tech jobs (a process euphemistically called in-sourcing) by working for reduced wages (as they do at Microsoft -- in San Jose, there are trailer parks for indentured H1B third world programmers and engineers trying to live off their paltry salaries). Also, illegal immigrants, mainly from Mexico, have been bad actors in society and the economy. They tend to be scofflaws in daily life, they happily avoid paying taxes on their earnings, and they bring a lot of social problems to our communities. When they commit murder or other violent or sexual felonies, they make a run for the border where their home country usually refuses to give them up. They also have more children then they can financially support, mainly because our foolishly generous welfare system subsidizes their procreation.

Arizonans have done the right thing. This new legislation empowering local police to do what the Federal Govt refuses to has knocked the wheels off the Amnesty Express by once more showcasing the Democrats concern for foreign invaders and identity politics over its own citizenry.

Posted by: greg3 | April 23, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

If I don't have ID,I go to jail.Check everyone,deport all that can't prove they are American

Posted by: HHOMAN | April 23, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

The broad anti-immigrant bill passed by the Legislature this week makes it a crime to be in the country illegally and gives local cops the job of demanding documentation if they have reasonable suspicion someone lacks it.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Isn't this an oxymoron? Also are green card holders being deported.

Posted by: cleancut77 | April 23, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse


"This bill is glorious. It's EJ Dionne who is a shamefully stupid columnist."

Agreed. He probably has an illegal mexican maid at home for 2 bucks an hour.
.

Posted by: Billw3 | April 23, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

What is shameful is that the Federal guvament, which does have responsibility over this matter, can't secure the border.

Just watched a number of Democrapic pundits bragging about how they have spent more money on the border patrol than Bush did. Get a clue, DEMOCRAPS, this isn't about how much money is spent employing more federal workers. It is about securing our borders and reducing illegal immigration to a trickle.

Until you can SHOW ME that you have done this for a period of ten to twenty years there will be NO AMNESTY and NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP. You better get started unless you want to drag this on forever.

Posted by: magellan1 | April 23, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love the right wing hypocrisy.
The same folks who have been decrying their freedoms being infringed upon by health care reform are now applauding this inane requirement to carry your "papers" with you whenever you walk down the street in Arizona, for fear that you will be imprisoned if you cannot verify your citizenship on the spot.

Never really had a good reason to visit Arizona. Now we have an excellent reason to avoid it.

Perhaps Arizona law enforcement would be well served to get special training for this new mission -- I hear that the Gestapo Handbook makes excellent reading...

Posted by: labman57 | April 23, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

"The broad anti-immigrant bill passed by the Legislature this week makes it a crime to be in the country illegally"

I guess the liberals disagree.

The point is, since the Federal government refuses to enforce the law, the states must. Bravo, Arizona.

Posted by: kitchendragon50 | April 23, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

"Have you asked yourself how you arrived to America?
Well let me give you a brief history."

Bogus historical narrative. Mexican in US territory were brought up by European Spanish invaders to be peons on their estates. Mestizos had no statistically significant presence in US territory (except Mexico) -- they certainly had no political identity. Latinos in the US are largely an uninvited ethnic group who have come within the past four decades to exploit our welfare system and drive down wages for low skill and unskilled labor. Once upon a time a slaughter house worker could be fairly paid ($15 an hour). Now he's lucky to get minimum wage.

Posted by: greg3 | April 23, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Hugo Obama has only one purpose: To capture the illegal immigrant vote and give them welfare at taxpayer expense. Obama is as incompetent a human being as exists. He is entirely out of touch with America. In fact he does not even understand America.

The illegals should not be in this country and they KNOW they should not be here.

Posted by: hz9604 | April 23, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

"Have you asked yourself how you arrived to America?
Well let me give you a brief history."

Bogus historical narrative. Mexicans in the US territory were brought up by European Spanish invaders to be peons on their estates. Mestizos had no statistically significant presence in US territory (except Texas) -- they certainly had no political identity. Latinos in the US are largely an uninvited ethnic group who have come within the past four decades to exploit our welfare system and drive down wages for low skill and unskilled labor. Once upon a time a slaughter house worker could be fairly paid ($15 an hour). Now he's lucky to get minimum wage.

Posted by: greg3 | April 23, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I sympathize with the problems Arizona is facing now days, especially with the Mexican drug cartels and the constant threat from drug trade related issues. The approval of this bill by the Arizona governor is a desperate act to fix a crime situation, however, the bill is also opening the door for more serious problems. The same was observed in the Germany of 1935 and all throughout World War II. One day, hopefully not, Someone might be receiving a wooden box full of ashes mixed with a wedding ring on it and that can be follow by 6 million more. That, my friends, is what the German secret Service (SS) use to do. This is one nation Under God and we have the responsibility to defend civil right and to follow the example of Luther king, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, King Leonidas and Arthur. I know this has nothing to do with race and that was the case in Germany but people can and will forget. Off course, that is my personal opinion and so as War

Posted by: warlon | April 23, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

GREAT....... What the hell took you so long Arizona?
I am immigrant myself but I totally support this bill. There are too many reasons to list. I can't wait Virginia to pass this type of bill.

Again, great job Arizona.

Posted by: jkang1 | April 23, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I sympathize with the problems Arizona is facing now days, especially with the Mexican drug cartels and the constant threat from drug trade related issues. The approval of this bill by the Arizona governor is a desperate act to fix a crime situation, however, the bill is also opening the door for more serious problems. The same was observed in the Germany of 1935 and all throughout World War II. One day, hopefully not, Someone might be receiving a wooden box full of ashes mixed with a wedding ring on it and that can be follow by 6 million more. That, my friends, is what the German secret Service (SS) use to do. This is one nation Under God and we have the responsibility to defend civil right and to follow the example of Luther king, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, King Leonidas and Arthur. I know this has nothing to do with race and that was the case in Germany but people can and will forget. Off course, that is my personal opinion and so as War

Posted by: warlon | April 23, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

According to liberals:

-We should not secure the border as to keep illegals out.

-Police should not have the right to target illegals for the crime of being an illegal immigrant. Approaching someone who looks illegal and questioning them about their status/asking for papers is "racist."

Liberals want Mexicans to have the unlimited right to pore into the United States, which is insane because 36% of Mexicans (per a poll) would come here if they could
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Really Paul? You took a poll did you?

Liberals want businesses to stop hiring illegals then the problem goes away...But that is too logical for conservatives and it would cost conservatives money in higher prices for food, housing, lawn care etc... who is going to do that work? You?

Conservatives are just so moronic when it comes to this issue.

Posted by: dwdave67 | April 23, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Those in favor of the Arizona Bill are in favor of US Citizens Rights. Those that oppose the bill favor "Illegal" Immigrants rights. I guess Obama favors "ILLEGAL" Immigrants over US Citizens.

Posted by: usausa2 | April 23, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Most of the comments here make me cringe at the level of ignorance and level of hate that has been stirred up against a group of hard-working people who want a better life for themselves and their children and are willing to sacrifice for it.

I also cringe at the lack of understanding of basic Constitutional principles and that it will be struck down in a flash as soon as it gets to court. The supporters do not understand that being in the country without a valid paper is NOT a crime. It is not in the criminal code of the states or the federal government, it is not defined as a crime and there is no punishment outlined for it. By making it a crime to not have papers proving citizenship or legal residence or a valid visa, all those who previously were deported through a hearing will now obtain the rights protected by the US Constitution which include a lawyer, a jury trial, innocence until proven guilty, rapid responses to cases, and a host of avenues and procedures they did not have before. These procedures will be very costly to the State of Arizona and put them farther and farther in debt until the state cannot function for any other purpose but to gratify the haters and xenophobes and ignoramuses that do not know their own ancestry and history of immigration or how the West was 'won' or how the Natives were written out of laws and made illegal by virtue of their having been here long before the Europeans stole their land and identity from them. The mixed bloods escaped and went underground. They escaped removal and make up most of the population of the South, the Southwest, the Rocky Mountain States and the Northwest. Anti-immigrant fever is not new. It came along with 'christianizing the Indians' as an excuse to steal the land and enslave them. Some people would actually vote to legalize slavery if it were on the ballot. It only a small step from the attitude that supported this piece of ignorance, greed and hate inspired legislation.

Posted by: bjwilkinson | April 23, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

If the federal government had cracked down on enforcing the existing laws (these past 20 or 25 years, this sort of thing would not have been necessary! Both Republican and Democratic administrations are guilty of not enforcing the laws...Now all we will hear is "racial profiling"!!!
If nothing is done, there is going to be many people arming themselves for protection against violence. The drug trafficking will flourish...It will only set this nation back 200 years! Crazy...!!!

Posted by: SeniorVet | April 23, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

The Arizona law is not targeting anyone who is in this counry legally. It is not even contesting the US Government. It is supplementing our laws. Have you never heard of federalism? Federalism is designed to share powers between the states and the federal government. Our founders never envisioned a government that could rule over or control every issue. When the republic was founded, it was built on the idea of the states sharing authority with a central government. Since our central government is overwhelmed with issues - like the SEC boys searching out pornography instead of crooks on Wall Street; fighting two wars in places far away from the US; trying to give everyone free healthcare and wasting our resources on boneheaded ideas like a tax on carbon, well, the states have to make do with there own laws to prevent being overrun by people coming to this great nation illegally, whether their purpose is good or evil. For those of you with a global agenda, I advise you to go slip into another country and try to get by there illegally. It might work for awhile, but when you get caught, don't come crying for help from the US.

Posted by: shangps | April 23, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The Arizona law is not targeting anyone who is in this counry legally. It is not even contesting the US Government. It is supplementing our laws. Have you never heard of federalism? Federalism is designed to share powers between the states and the federal government. Our founders never envisioned a government that could rule over or control every issue. When the republic was founded, it was built on the idea of the states sharing authority with a central government. Since our central government is overwhelmed with issues - like the SEC boys searching out pornography instead of crooks on Wall Street; fighting two wars in places far away from the US; trying to give everyone free healthcare and wasting our resources on boneheaded ideas like a tax on carbon, well, the states have to make do with there own laws to prevent being overrun by people coming to this great nation illegally, whether their purpose is good or evil. For those of you with a global agenda, I advise you to go slip into another country and try to get by there illegally. It might work for awhile, but when you get caught, don't come crying for help from the US.

Posted by: shangps | April 23, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

What does an illegal look like?

He or she is the one hiding under a load of produce.

He or she is the one of 67 packed into the back of a u-haul truck.

He or she is the one crossing the southern border with a load of illegal substances strapped to their back.

any other requests?

Posted by: rlkidd58 | April 23, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

The wingnuts are running rampant in AZ. Instead of condemning the State, please help support more rational lawmakers. We are not all racists. This state is 30% hispanic - shouldn't take much to oust the worthless bunch who have driven our economy into the ground and embarrassed the people in front of the entire world.

Posted by: ldr1 | April 23, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Actually, for stepping up and acknowledging that the federal government has been shamefully deficient in addressing the state's problems with illegal immigration, she deserves nothing more than the gratitude of the people of this country for telling the truth.

Posted by: drc231 | April 23, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

I got no problem with citizenship papers. None at all. Would make things a lot simpler, would it not? The fraud it would create would be staggering, but it would be a step in the right direction.

Posted by: steveboyington | April 23, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

This law is NOT against hispanics! It's against ILLEGAL ALIENS! If the Federal Government was doing it's job and clamping down on these illegal aliens, all these State Laws wouldn't be necessary.

Janet Flintstone doesn't have a clue on how to get these illegal aliens out of this Country. She's WORTHLESS!

So, until obama gets our immigration laws ENFORCED, States will continue to do what they can to free their States of the illegal aliens! They are a big drain on the American taxpayer.

It's so easy to enter this Country legally. Just apply and wait. How easy is that?

Posted by: scuncic | April 23, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

If you don't live in a border state, your opinion means nothing. Do we have to wait for them to move to YOUR neighborhood?

This reminds me of appeasement in the 30s. You are willing to sell out the border states for "peace." Now, I've played the Hitler card EJ, what do you have?

Posted by: rusty3 | April 23, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

After reading about 50 posts...it's clear the people for this law are the people forced to live with the problems. The people against it...don't. Hmmm. Who to support.

Posted by: PanhandleWilly | April 23, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

In other words, E.J., immigration laws are "immoral". Glad we cleared that up!

Posted by: allamer1 | April 23, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

It is both shameful and scary. Are we now living in a police state? Are some people that worried because Hispanics will outnumber white people in this country within a few decades? How can there not be more racial profiling and racial discrimination?

Posted by: pjsilva | April 23, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Hum? Obama, Pelosi and the far left sterotype and call American citizens names who attend t-parties; but they say its Ok to come into this country illegally. What is wrong is wrong with this picture.

Posted by: 45upnorth | April 23, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Hum? Obama, Pelosi and the far left sterotype and call American citizens names who attend t-parties; but they say its Ok to come into this country illegally. What is wrong is with this picture.

Posted by: 45upnorth | April 23, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't think defenders of this law understand what it means in practice. This law doesn't "secure the border" or "enforce the law that the Federal government has refused to do for decades." The enforcement power has always been there. The resources and willpower may not have been, but the enforcement power - at the state and Federal (and often local) level is already on the books.

It is already illegal to be here without documentation.

It is already illegal to hire somebody without checking for immigration documentation.

Police can already turn over suspected illegal immigrants to ICE for investigation and processing.

So, the answer is now to send the police after anybody who "looks" like they might be here illegally? What exactly is "reasonable suspicion?" Hiding under beds of lettuce in a pickup truck is ALREADY probable cause of violation of immigration laws. Running from known border crossings is already legal grounds for search and documentation verification (and deportation if illegal).

But this law is so broad that it gives police the power to define "suspicious" as broad as they want - including racial profiling. The law will absolutely encourage police harassment of LEGAL Hispanics in Arizona. Those who trace their heritage back generations, are conservative and vote Republican will now be lumped in with actual illegal immigrants in the police's view. Those who think this law will only target illegal immigrants are fooling themselves. This will target all Hispanics in Arizona - most of whom were born in the US.

Posted by: ElrodinTennessee | April 23, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

The Federal Government gives a Green Card to every person who enters the USA legally and becomes a permanent resident. Why give any person such a card if it is not for identification as a permanent resident when the situation requires it.

You show it to get a driving license, etc...you also will show it when a policeman stops you in Arizona because the state is in a financial and criminal crisis state due to Mexican illegal immigration. The key word here is Mexican. Not Chinese, not French, not Australian, not Nigerian, etc...but Mexican. So the issue of racial profiling is a valid one in this case. To ask everybody to show the green card would be moronic and inefficient. You do not ask an elderly person entering a bar for proof that they are twenty-one years old!

Let's cut out the stupidity, the relativistic and academic exercises, and solve the problem of the southern border's invasion.

Posted by: HarGru | April 23, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

It is about time that someone has the guts to confront the illegal immigration head on. Obviously, Mr. Dione does not live in California where illegal immigrants get so many freebies that the state is totally broke.

Most people who are in this country legally carry in their wallet some proop that identifies them as legal residents. A driver's license in

Posted by: fridaolay | April 23, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

It appears to me that all Arizona has done is move the responsibility for securing our boarders from a responsibility of our Federal Govenment to that of a State Responsibility. And maybe this move is driven by the need to feel secure. So in response I would first ask, does Arizonia live in fear? And if so, then attempt to address the causal factors first instead of looking to condem a solution without an understanding of the real problem, just becuase. What a country.

Posted by: jralger | April 23, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I accidentally pushed the "post bottom" too soon. So I didn't complete my previous posting.

However, I wish to add that a driver's license, in most cases,is enough proof that you are here legally. Of course, if someone is using a fake license, or a fake identity, that person may have an objection to the new Arizona law.

Posted by: fridaolay | April 23, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Oh Yes! The Mexican legal residents of Arizona or citizens of the United States, will surely feel the burden of this policy. But it is they, as Arizonians, who should be concerned with the treatment of the illegals by employers, their crimes, their burden on the fiscal status of the state, and the ill effect that all that creates.

In a way, the policy makes it easier and faster for the police to assist with the handing of such illegal aliens to the Feds for deportation. That will make even the Mexican legal Arizonians breathe a little better by preventing the bad scenes associated with dishonest and unscrupulous employment of illegals, or of their running loose within the state.

Posted by: HarGru | April 23, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

What a welcome breath of fresh air the new Arizona law is! The reliably whiny liberals and professional multiculturalist injustice police don't CARE that people are in our country illegally, flaunting our laws? If EJ Dionne went to France without a visa would it offend him if he were arrested by French authorities? Probably, since taking holier-than-thou offense at the rustle of a leaf is how he "earns" his living. If there were 8 million Canucks -- I'm just guessing at EJ's proud ethnic heritage -- in upstate New York illegally and they were physically indistinguishable from the native population, would a state law empowering police to check people's status have the racist-under-every-bush crowd all in a swivet? I doubt it. Hypocrites!

Posted by: miglefitz | April 23, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Like many WaPo comment threads, this one highlights the psychotic levels of hatred liberals and beltway snobs have for everyone else in the country.

The Feds, both Republican and Democrat, have done NOTHING to defend states bordering Mexico who have been overwhelmed by millions upon millions of illegal immigrants. Arizona finally acts and the left, led by Obama, act like we're hillbilly garbage that should be exterminated. Many hospitals in Los Angeles have SHUT DOWN because they have been driven to bankruptcy treating uninsured illegal immigrants. Do the foul mouthed, hate drenched liberal name callers care about how that affects AMERICANS living in Los Angeles? No. They don't give a damn. They just want to get their rocks off screaming that all of us out here in "Not New York" are racists.

The domination of the Federal government and courts by elitist, Ivy League plutocrats mostly from a few Northeastern states must end. The rest of America is being neglected and DESTROYED by these arrogant, insulated pigs. NO MORE IVY LEAGUE MASTERS, DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN. They're not "the best and the brightest"; they're poison and they are destroying this country.

Posted by: tweedburst | April 23, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

My wife is a legal permanent resident alien in the US, and I'm a native born US citizen. She has been living legally in the US for over 20 years, paying taxes, following all US procedures to obtain her status and maintain it. Because of Arizona's new law, she could be held in custody in Arizona if asked by police for her green card and she could not immediately produce it.

Or would the police not pick her up because she's Canadian and doesn't "look" illegal in Arizona?

Posted by: panamint | April 23, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

The strokes of the pen that signed this bill was heard across this country and throughout the world! Let the games begin-

Thank you Gov. Brewer of Arizona- You indeed are a wonderful and brave woman! god bless

Posted by: sendthemback | April 23, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

TOTALLY LOVE rlkidd58 | April 23, 2010 8:58 PM. You go, man!!

Posted by: miglefitz | April 23, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Pretend, all you law supporters, that you live in a state like, say, New Mexico, where Hispanics are well represented in the state government...maybe even control the state government. Say they decide to pass a law that says all us whities must show proof we're citizens of these United States if the police suspect we may not be. I'm expecting all of you will support their right to pass this law targeting Anglos. Won't you?

Posted by: mamapanda | April 23, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Finally a state steps up to the plate ignores the left wing media and implements a very important law. Congratulations Arizona. I hope more states follow your lead on this issue. If people want live in Arizona let them come in legally, period. Ignore the left and the democrat party. The only thing they are looking for is votes. They would let China in if they were projected to vote democrat. Believe me this Dionne character would love this law if illegals were projected to vote democrat once obtaining legal status.

Posted by: Train413 | April 23, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Dear Sirs,
During WW2, a great American general,of German ancestry, had to make the decision to bomb a Catholic monastery.
He had to order that to protect his troops.
They included the Nisei [Americans of Japanese ancestry].
The place was Monte Cassino.
The general was Dwight David Eisenhower!
What would he have said about a law like this?
Clifford Spencer

Posted by: yankeefan1925 | April 23, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

"Illegal is illegal," said Pearce. "We'll have less crime. We'll have lower taxes. We'll have safer neighborhoods. We'll have shorter lines in the emergency rooms. We'll have smaller classrooms."

Posted by: mark0004 | April 23, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

What part of "illegal" do people not understand? The borders of this nation belong to the citizens. We have the right to decide who comes, who stays and who cannot come and stay.

I can see the concern on the part of the legal Hispanic population in AZ. However, I have a question for you. What has you or your community done to identify the illegals and get them removed from this country. If you, as a community or as an individual have done nothing, you have only yourself to blame. The same applies to "charitable" organizations who supposedly work with the illegals. What have you done to report them and get them out of the country?

Posted by: herlick | April 23, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

infinity555 writes:
Arizona Govern Jan Brewer has more--SPINE--than the majority of our politicians, to fight the overpowering onslaught of illegal immigration.
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Oh, Bull!!! If anything, Brewer showed a lack of spine. Her chances of staying in the gov's mansion at election time was looking grim so just like McCain who is also worried about his job, she is pandering to the far right. There are so many ways this bill is going to bite Arizona in the bu**. These two sold their souls for a hoped for political gain. Shame on every Republican pol in that state.

Posted by: Sandydayl | April 23, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

If only these Arizona redn3cks could be half as mad at the greedy bankers and the corrupt financial elite who've pushed us all into a great recession! But no, it's probably much easier to hate someone who looks 'different'.

What a sad cesspit of hate AZ is! It must be especially bad for the sane and decent Arizonans trapped among millions of goose-stepping wingnuts.

Posted by: jiji1 | April 23, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

This law makes it clear that immigration is a state and local issue, not just a national issue. You can't solve problems by sitting on your hands, making threats and yakking. The Federal Government has been lax in discharging its responsibility to states and localities affected by illegal immigration problems. Consequently, it seems to me, the Administration should be thankful that it is getting some help with a Federal problem from the State of Arizona. If you don't live there, it is highly likely that you don't have either a good first-hand understanding of the issue or a stake in its outcome. Time to back off the criticism and try to help those that are trying to solve the problem with action, not rhetoric.

Posted by: qball43 | April 23, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

This law makes it clear that immigration is a state and local issue, not just a national issue. You can't solve problems by sitting on your hands, making threats and yakking. The Federal Government has been lax in discharging its responsibility to states and localities affected by illegal immigration problems. Consequently, it seems to me, the Administration should be thankful that it is getting some help with a Federal problem from the State of Arizona. If you don't live there, it is highly likely that you don't have either a good first-hand understanding of the issue or a stake in its outcome. Time to back off the criticism and try to help those that are trying to solve the problem with action, not rhetoric.

Posted by: qball43 | April 23, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

This law makes it clear that immigration is a state and local issue, not just a national issue. You can't solve problems by sitting on your hands, making threats and yakking. The Federal Government has been lax in discharging its responsibility to states and localities affected by illegal immigration problems. Consequently, it seems to me, the Administration should be thankful that it is getting some help with a Federal problem from the State of Arizona. If you don't live there, it is highly likely that you don't have either a good first-hand understanding of the issue or a stake in its outcome. Time to back off the criticism and try to help those that are trying to solve the problem with action, not rhetoric.

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Posted by: wandanlea | April 23, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

To the Mexican Chicano, you should not even write in Spanish if you are against your own race, what will you feel when a police arrest you just for being Latino? This law is RACIST period. Whites can not accept that an African American is their President and now are desperate doing anything to oppose his administration. Stop hate, America is a Cristian country, so don't critize the cruelty in other countries, look how racists are the American.

Posted by: REGIASAN | April 23, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

"My wife is a legal permanent resident alien in the US, and I'm a native born US citizen. She has been living legally in the US for over 20 years,..."

O.K. enlighten us.

Why has she not become a citizen by now?

She wants to live in the U.S. but not be a citizen.

Posted by: TrueObserver | April 23, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Reading the posts since my last I read a lot from idealists, arm-chair attorneys, people who still do not understand the concept of nation, borders, laws, and economics. This is a nation with borders. Is that so hard to understand? This is a nation with laws (the most necessary thing when so many cultures and nationalities are represented). This is a nation that can not absorb all the people looking for a better living from all over. This is a nation that has been kind in accepting legally the persecuted, the dispossessed, and the nation-less.

BUT this is not the case. This nation can not accept everybody from everywhere just so they can do better financially. Why is it so difficult for liberals to understand all that? Let them try to sneak into New Zealand (a liberal country) for a better job and see where it will get them. Bah! Humbug!

Posted by: HarGru | April 23, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

US Constitution, Article I, Section 10:

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, UNLESS ACTUALLY INVADED, OR IN SUCH IMMINENT DANGER AS WILL NOT ADMIT OF DELAY.

[Arizona is definitely invaded. Due to the invasions of the Mexican and Transnational Crime Cartels, Phoenix AZ is the kidnapping capital of North America.]

ARTICLE IV, Section 4:
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,
AND SHALL PROTECT EACH OF THEM FROM INVASION; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

____________________________

Domestic violence appears daily in the headlines of the newspapers of Arizona, and when it is a matter of public record that for the last decade Arizona has been invaded at a rate of 1 million persons per year, it is Constitutionally within the rights of the Governor of that State, and indeed within the DUTY of the Governor of that state to respond. The situation will not admit of delay as a delay of a decade has already been endured, and the Federal government has clearly abnegated its duty ot defend the State of Arizona, and thus the duty falls to the Governor of that State of this Union to directly declare that a STATE OF WAR exists and has existed and may reasonably be presumed to exist UNTIL AND UNLESS actions to remedy the Invasion are declared by the Governor, affirmed by the Legislature, and therefter by the Governor enforced: that persons reasonable believed to be illegally present in the USA shall be asked to prove the legality of their presence, and failing that test, shall be remanded to the authority of the Federal agencies responsible for the enforcement of immigration law. Congress alone has the authority to enact legislation to define who may be in the bounds of the USA at any given time, but ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES HAVE THE RIGHT TO ENFORCE EXISTING FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW.

Posted by: thardman | April 23, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

US Constitution, Article I, Section 10:

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, UNLESS ACTUALLY INVADED, OR IN SUCH IMMINENT DANGER AS WILL NOT ADMIT OF DELAY.

[Arizona is definitely invaded. Due to the invasions of the Mexican and Transnational Crime Cartels, Phoenix AZ is the kidnapping capital of North America.]

ARTICLE IV, Section 4:
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,
AND SHALL PROTECT EACH OF THEM FROM INVASION; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

____________________________

Domestic violence appears daily in the headlines of the newspapers of Arizona, and when it is a matter of public record that for the last decade Arizona has been invaded at a rate of 1 million persons per year, it is Constitutionally within the rights of the Governor of that State, and indeed within the DUTY of the Governor of that state to respond. The situation will not admit of delay as a delay of a decade has already been endured, and the Federal government has clearly abnegated its duty ot defend the State of Arizona, and thus the duty falls to the Governor of that State of this Union to directly declare that a STATE OF WAR exists and has existed and may reasonably be presumed to exist UNTIL AND UNLESS actions to remedy the Invasion are declared by the Governor, affirmed by the Legislature, and therefter by the Governor enforced: that persons reasonable believed to be illegally present in the USA shall be asked to prove the legality of their presence, and failing that test, shall be remanded to the authority of the Federal agencies responsible for the enforcement of immigration law. Congress alone has the authority to enact legislation to define who may be in the bounds of the USA at any given time, but ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES HAVE THE RIGHT TO ENFORCE EXISTING FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW.

Posted by: thardman | April 23, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

US Constitution, Article I, Section 10:

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, UNLESS ACTUALLY INVADED, OR IN SUCH IMMINENT DANGER AS WILL NOT ADMIT OF DELAY.

[Arizona is definitely invaded. Due to the invasions of the Mexican and Transnational Crime Cartels, Phoenix AZ is the kidnapping capital of North America.]

ARTICLE IV, Section 4:
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,
AND SHALL PROTECT EACH OF THEM FROM INVASION; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

____________________________

Domestic violence appears daily in the headlines of the newspapers of Arizona, and when it is a matter of public record that for the last decade Arizona has been invaded at a rate of 1 million persons per year, it is Constitutionally within the rights of the Governor of that State, and indeed within the DUTY of the Governor of that state to respond. The situation will not admit of delay as a delay of a decade has already been endured, and the Federal government has clearly abnegated its duty ot defend the State of Arizona, and thus the duty falls to the Governor of that State of this Union to directly declare that a STATE OF WAR exists and has existed and may reasonably be presumed to exist UNTIL AND UNLESS actions to remedy the Invasion are declared by the Governor, affirmed by the Legislature, and therefter by the Governor enforced: that persons reasonable believed to be illegally present in the USA shall be asked to prove the legality of their presence, and failing that test, shall be remanded to the authority of the Federal agencies responsible for the enforcement of immigration law. Congress alone has the authority to enact legislation to define who may be in the bounds of the USA at any given time, but ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES HAVE THE RIGHT TO ENFORCE EXISTING FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW.

Posted by: thardman | April 23, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

please correct my last post to include the word "illegally" as follows:

BUT this is not the case. This nation can not accept ILLEGALLY everybody from everywhere just so they can do better financially.

Posted by: HarGru | April 23, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

So everyone who might look illegal must carry papers, all the time.

And any cop, for any reason, can demand them.

We are in a time machine, taking us back to the early 1930s after Hitler came to power, and the police could stop anyone who looked Jewish and demand papers.

And a year or so after that, Hitler demanded that all Jews sew the star of David on their clothing. And then after that....

Heaven help Arizona and the madness that has descended upon them. And meanwhile, who will do all the jobs in that state and others, that we Americans refuse to do?

Posted by: kim4 | April 23, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse


You people knocking Arizona's law are absolutely nuts. The law cannot be enforced without identifying those breaking it.
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Posted by: Billw3 | April 24, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Voices against the AZ law argue: Hispanics Don't Have to Follow The Law, Americans Do.

Hispanics want the rule of law suspended for themselves. They do not follow immigration law, employment law, fraud laws, or tax laws.

They do not follow laws regarding drinking, drinking and driving, or urinating in public.

And those are only the Hispanics "not breaking any laws"

So, since the rule of law has been suspended, this situation has gotten worse, especially in border states. However, Congress and the president were never concerned until suspension of the rule of law benefited Americans.

How odd that our elected officials refuse to enforce laws against hispanics.

Posted by: mclovin | April 24, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

This bill would never have been signed in to law if the illegal immigrants all looked like the politicians that passed it.

Where I live it would be impossible to target illegal immigrants, they all look like the rest of the population because they are from places like Russia, Poland and Bosnia.

Posted by: OleLadySquawking | April 24, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Every Hispanic registered to vote needs to keep in mind that this atrocity is the product of the Republican Party. Vote those bums out of office.

Posted by: bertram2 | April 24, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Federal government should jail this governor for approving racist like laws. Period.

Posted by: pieroni73 | April 23, 2010 6:10 PM

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Hell, why stop there? Lets arrest and jail all governors who sign laws that the Federal government doesn't approve of. Lets round up all the state legislators who voted for them too. Then, lets arrest and jail all the members of Congress who don't vote the way the Federal bureaucracy wants them to vote. Finally, lets round up those Supreme Court justices whom the President disapproved of. Throw them all in jail too!

Mucking foron.

Posted by: hisroc | April 24, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Mr Dionne

Could you please stop using the term "undocumented immigrant". It is dishonest and you know it. There is no such thing as an undocumented immigrant.

With the exception of a few very young children, every immigrant in the US has documentation.

Legal immigrants have legitimate papers.

Illegal immigrants have stolen or forged papers. They use these to apply for work, housing, welfare, etc. The supplying of such fraudulent documentation binds illegals to criminal gangs that provide this "service".

Posted by: ronStrong | April 24, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

As one can see plainly, regardless of what we think about Arizona and their new law, they did get the question out on the table. Now, an even bigger question. What is our government going to do about the issue and the problems caused by the costs to support illegal immigration? I hope other states follow suit with their versions of the law too just to keep the pressure up!

Posted by: npsilver | April 24, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

For someone supposedly conversant with the law, BO seems stunningly willing to flout it. 1. When states are told to do things that contravene the constitution they are duty bound to resist .... and will win. 2. To cross the line on article 3., Section 3. of the Constitution (as he has done) isn't just "shameful", it is a treasonable offense.
I wouldn't want to hold my breath waiting for the trial to proceed. Instead, the war our cops are engaged in with the damnable cartels that have infiltrated all of our states will continue to escalate while gasbags like the author of the above article keep doing what they do best. Good thing I've got a gasmask.

Posted by: beowulf3 | April 24, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

For someone supposedly conversant with the law, BO seems stunningly willing to flout it. 1. When states are told to do things that contravene the constitution they are duty bound to resist .... and will win. 2. To cross the line on article 3., Section 3. of the Constitution (as he has done) isn't just "shameful", it is a treasonable offense.
I wouldn't want to hold my breath waiting for the trial to proceed. Instead, the war our cops are engaged in with the damnable cartels that have infiltrated all of our states will continue to escalate while gasbags like the author of the above article keep doing what they do best. Good thing I've got a gasmask.

Posted by: beowulf3 | April 24, 2010 12:37 AM | Report abuse

People who go into ultra-Republican panic mode when the price of iceberg lettuce climbs over $1.25 per head think that the nation's problems can be blamed on people who come here across a border for the opportunity to work.

I refuse to demonize people who believe that being a USA citizen is a goal worth attaining, and who do work that makes them sweat under a hot sun.

"Welcome to the family" is what I'd like to say to them.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | April 24, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

"According to liberals:...

-- Approaching someone who looks illegal and questioning them about their status/asking for papers is "racist." ...

Posted by: Paul_Atredies | April 23, 2010 6:24 PM "

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Hmmm. And what makes someone "look illegal" to Paul Atredies? Might it be that they look Hispanic? I sure don't know what else could be.

I guess if someone is carrying a sign that says in foot high letters, "ha ha! I am here illegally!" that would be a nonracial ground of suspicion. Otherwise I don't know what you are looking for except the crime of driving (or walking or just existing) while Hispanic. Which is a particular problem since such a large proportion of the legal residents of Arizona are, of course, Hispanic, as are many of its business and tourist visitors.

Although, to be fair, having business and tourist visitors of any race may not be a big concern for Arizona after this law.

Posted by: fairfaxvoter | April 24, 2010 12:42 AM | Report abuse

WHAT IS IT THAT THE DEMOCRATS AND ESPECIALLY OBAMA DO NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE LAWS OF OUR LAND???? These Illegals, and they are illegals, are BREAKING United State Laws and the stupid political goons are not doing a darn thing about it. When a U. S. citizens breaks laws, they are punished.

It is time for the States and the citizens of this country to take back our country. Obama is so radical .. he was raised in Indonesia and Hawaii and did not come to live in the mainland until adulthood and thus has been brainwashed by the foreign countries. He has turned his back on our best friends: England and Israel; instead he embraces the middle east and radical changes in our way of life. He must be defeated in the next presidential election before he completely destroys our country.

Again, if an American citizen were to "invade" any foreign country, living there for a long period of time without proper papers, he/she would be in big trouble with that foreign government, yet we have people coming into our country, some very dangerous, and yet our government turns a blind eye.

It is time our States all take action!!!!!! They are paying no taxes yet they receive our tax money. These "illegals" commit more crimes against each other and American citizens. Just try going into Mexico and staying for a period of time without their govt. permission!!! Like being in a Mexican jail????

ARIZONA, MOST AMERICANS WHO HAVE TO COPE WITH THESE ILLEGALS SALUTE YOU!!!!!!! OTHER U.S. STATE, FOLLOW ARIZONA's LEAD.

Posted by: libertymeanslife | April 24, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Well, like it or not this new Arizon Bill just brought the hot button question to the table. I'm hoping other state's will follow suit too. This isssue has been the source of huge expenditures of local funds to support a segment of our population that are here illegally. The federal government has failed to provide the promised funds to those local agencies incurring costs for incarceration, medical care,indigent care and schooling. I don't think for one moment that Arizona wants to do this BUT something has to be initiated to address this growing problem now!

Posted by: npsilver | April 24, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

ARIZONA, YOU BRING HOPE TO THE CITIZENS OF AMERICA.

WHAT DOES NOT OBAMA UNDERSTAND ABOUT 'ILLEGAL'???? He is a lawyer; he should understand that illegal means not lawful. These illegals are breaking our country's laws and should be sent back to their countries immediately. Some are very dangerous and commit awful crimes in our country, most to our citizens. They pay no taxes yet we support them. Are the Democrats nuts or what?

We must take back our country from the radical president we now have in office and get rid of the Democratic Congress ASAP before they destroy our country completely.

THANK YOU, ARIZONA, AND TO THE OTHER STATES, DO THE SAME AS ARIZONA DID IN PASSING THIS BILL.

Posted by: libertymeanslife | April 24, 2010 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Dionne, when was the last time you left the comfort of your ivory tower? I invite you to spent a few months in one of the border states that has been over run with illegals. Buy a house in a middle class neighborhood and see how the rest of us live. I'm sure you would have no problem footing the bill for schooling, medical care, incarceration of criminals and all the wonderful services offered up in liberal land.

Posted by: je121819 | April 24, 2010 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Beltway elitist Dionne displays galling and unmitigated contempt for "average" American citizens. He actually buys the poor martyred bit of the heroic but misunderstood illegal immigrant.....the ones sending billions home in remittances annually that don't care squat about us or our hard won democratic experiment.

Frankly, after the shakeup in November, I, for one will not miss a single "tragic" "execptional" foreign-born fraud worker.

Ever the cynic...I can hear the presses already printing up new and improved fake IDs....Round 1- Citizens win, huzzah!

Posted by: crymeariver1 | April 24, 2010 12:53 AM | Report abuse

This debate is ideological, populist and opportunistic .. linked to the Hispanic vote that Democrats want to keep, not their sense of justice or respect for the law.

A bank teller or wine seller can ask for ID but not the police? The teller is a good guy, the policeman a fascist terrorist of the innocent?

What is the real goal behind the furror Dems are trying to kick up???

Posted by: sally62 | April 24, 2010 12:55 AM | Report abuse

I lived in Arizona from 1976 to 1980 just before its "best kept secret" status was let out of the bag (or when Northerners grew tired of Florida?).

When the Northern deluge hit Arizona in the late 80's (and continues to this day), Ohioans, Minnesotans, and New Yorkers were stunned to learn upon arriving that Mexico was just south of Arizona? To their continuing horror, they encountered more Mexicans than they ever imagined because, well, Mexico is just across the border -- and no one told them that?

"Northern cleansing" has begun, and I give you exibit-A, J.D. Hayworth -- a North Carolina transplant.

Hayworth is a certified bigot who by the way suddenly has God on speed-dial (always works when you're trying to woo the wing nuts). He will do all he can, if elected, to throw out anyone who, well, doesn't look like he does. Arizona Blacks - you do realize that if this immigration bill works, then, well...you could be on the agenda next?

It's a shame that native Arizonans won't rise up and take back their state, their heritage, and their diverse culture.

Posted by: jdmueh | April 24, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

If I'm not mistaken, before 1921 - which is right about the time that "Progressives" institutionalized racial segregation in the USA - there had never been any restriction on immigration to the USA.

What you have today are the grandchildren of that epoch saying "whoee, we got in, shut the doors".

Posted by: douglaslbarber | April 24, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

A while back a poll was taken in Mexico the results of which showed 40% of its citizens wanted to come to the US....... to live! Not to see the grand canyon, or such things, but to set up shop so to speak. That would be roughly 45 million people. If there is an amnesty this time ,without prior border security measures or immigration enforcement action, there will be a literal human tidal wave of people flooding the border.

We never talk about Mexico when we talk about immigration. What is it that causes people to risk their lives, their childrens lives, the unity of family, the pride in a homeland to come to what most people on the left regard as a racist smallminded backward country.

I have often wondered about the nature of life in Mexico that would compel people to go to such lengths.

In a most compassionate gesture would it not serve the greater good to look at some of the reasons why people risk so much to come here? There literally has to be blood on the streets to even have one story or mention of the goings on in Mexico.

It is highly unlikely that the Mexican government would tolerate a bunch of Americans going down and taking part in their government assistance. Speaking of the government of Mexico, it appears as though they have almost threatened America with retaliation if something isn't done about the law. That is amazing!

Posted by: shakes3 | April 24, 2010 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Arizona is at the front of the immigration problem. It starts there with the long border, the illegals and the violence, including murder. Couple these problems with a government dominated by the Democratic party which caters to minorities to get more votes, and the people of the state surely feel helpless. They make a law to help their situation and people from other states who feel far-removed from the problem jump on them. They had to do something in the absence of a responsible federal government.
Also when you think about it this problem with illegals surpasses the immigration issue. This is more like adopting all of Mexico's needy citizens, something encouraged by their government. The Mexican government needs to clean up its act and work for its people. Taking in large chunks of the population from a third world country means we are importing third world standards which will haunt the future of the country. And in the larger scope of things, if Mexico is sending so many of its people here, they need to cede some territory to the USA.

Posted by: johntu | April 24, 2010 1:04 AM | Report abuse

May I take the liberty of reminding Donna3 that the Jews that were targeted in Germany were citizens of Germany. Comparing a country's desire to deal with illegal immigrants has nothing to do with the "final solution". Pure hyperbole!

.. Europe is dealing with same illegal problems and ID cards are the rule (love EU social entitlements like HC but not their "police states"? - Hypocrites!)

Controlling immigration does block some's desire to raise population levels of a minority to take power - which reminds this old lady of the Black Panther message so long ago that called on people to have children whether they could feed or educate them or not just to change the population balance ... now that sounds extreme to me!

As for "racial profiling" it is used all the time for marketing purposes - is that good "racial profiling"?

Finally, when can we become the "United States of America" Obama promised instead of latino America, black America then all the rest - as if there were only two minorities of any importance in this country?

Posted by: sally62 | April 24, 2010 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Just a thought.......

Look what happened to the native Americans when unbridled immigration from Europe was turned loose on the North American continent. A few years from now when someone asks do you have a reservation, they might mean which reservation do you live on.

Posted by: johntu | April 24, 2010 1:14 AM | Report abuse

shakes3, you don't suppose that some American businesses whose campaign contributions are 100% Republican depend on the labor of illegal immigrants, do you?

Meat packing plants, famously. Farm labor, obviously. You should hear the hue and cry from industrial farmers when they can't get their illegal aliens.

It's almost as loud as the hue and cry from the owners of crab picking houses in my neck of the woods. You'd think the poor small businessmen were going to starve if they couldn't get their Mexicans.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | April 24, 2010 1:16 AM | Report abuse

If they want to stop illegal immigration, the could impose a 10,000$ fine to any business that employs undocumented workers, and enforce it.

But that's not the goal here, the goal is to pander to right wing nativist haters. I hope the GOP continues in this vein, alienating the fastest rising demographic of voters in the country.

Posted by: dmblum | April 24, 2010 1:16 AM | Report abuse

NAFTA has been an unmitigated disaster for twenty years now. Not only did it not prevent our automakers from going bankrupt (it was supposed to create a boon for the automakers who could now relocate their factories to Mexico for cheaper labor), but the illegal immigration problem in the U.S. has never been worse.

Wasn't Mexico's economy supposed to thrive on the heels of NAFTA? Oh, that's right: an economic boon can only be sustained in the long run if a vibrant middle class is nurtured and strengthened, which Mexico does not have.

Passage of NAFTA did wonders for Mexico and the U.S.'s wealthy classes, but Republican conservative economics practiced the last twenty years by Mexico (both Vincente Fox and now Felipe Calderon are Mexican right-wingers) proves that without the vocal encouragement and support of the government for a strong middle class, the economy is doomed. Even right-winger Calderon's drug war has been a dismal failure.

Democrats and the Democratic Leadership Council would do well to stop acting as though they actually believed in Republican economics lite.

In the meantime, the message to Hispanics living and traveling to Arizona is this: don't wear a sombrero and a poncho in the streets. Arizona's new sombrero law, taking aim at clothing and fashions from south of the border, could get you arrested.

Posted by: sthomas1957 | April 24, 2010 1:18 AM | Report abuse

I disagree that only liberals will speak out against this piece of legislation. I consider myself a member of the far right. I adamantly supported Bush and the Iraq War. I honorably served in the Army for four years. And I volunteered to fight in Bosnia in the mid 90's. I fought alongside Croats and Muslims against the vicious war waged by the Serbs. Innocent Croats and Muslims were targeted for their ethnicity and religion. It was no different than Nazi Germany. If we give the state the power to enact laws that target and discriminate specific groups,are we better than the Nazis or Serbs? Americans of all political persuasions should oppose Arizona's hateful law.

Posted by: aleklawyer | April 24, 2010 1:22 AM | Report abuse

The Arizona law goes too far in criminalizing whenever a person is lacking in proper identity papers, if police officers think they may be in this country illegally.

Dionne writes "legitimate concern about illegal immigration should never have been translated into a law like this." The problem is Obama and most Democrats in Congress do not seem to have any "legitimate concerns about illegal immigration."

They may pretend to support secure borders and be opposed to virtually open borders, but amnesty for illegal immigrants completely undermines their phony concerns. This charade will continue every two decades or so with repeated amnesty bills.

Obama and Democrats in Congress should show some honesty, openly acknowledge they seek close to open borders. Let anyone, except those with criminal records, come to visit, live or work in this country. This is their preferred policy and will be the practical result of another amnesty bill. Anyone who believes otherwise is very misguided.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | April 24, 2010 1:23 AM | Report abuse

aleklawyer, that 1:22 AM post is a keeper.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | April 24, 2010 1:26 AM | Report abuse

That seems to me a bad idea to base a country's policy on. That being, we kind of deserve it. It has a kind of punishment ring to it. If mass immigration is punishment than isn't it at least reasonable for people to object to it?

If this is Americas "chickens coming home to roost" then lets at least be honest. This isn't about compassion, its atonement that those who are not liberal shall suffer.

Hate to be the one to break it to the liberals but, with this one, no one gets out alive.

Posted by: shakes3 | April 24, 2010 1:27 AM | Report abuse

People might be surprised to learn Ulysses S. Grant's opinion of the War with Mexico, which won us Arizona and New Mexico. Come to think of it, I don't think Honest Abe thought too highly of it. Of course, he is a bit suspect in today's Republican party.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | April 24, 2010 1:33 AM | Report abuse

to all,

what eternally fascinates me is how IGNORANT, UNTHINKING & generally brain-DEAD the "progressives",LIBs & DIMocRATS are.

they are ALL against AZ actually enforcing the LAWS, that have been on the books for decades, but that the federal government doesn't have the GUTS/BRAINS/stomach to actually enforce FAIRLY for the good of all!

AZ & the rest of the states should also pass another law to "fall like a ton of bricks" on ANYBODY, who HIRES ILLEGALS. there should be a MINIMUM sentence of a YEAR in PRISON for every person, who violates the law against hiring ILLEGALS. - NO plea bargains, NO excuses, NO apologies accepted.- just HARD TIME.

AND the illegals should be rounded up & jailed for 30 days for BEING here ILLEGALLY. then they must ALL be deported & forbidden re-entry for at least 10 years.
(anyone found AGAIN in the USA, after being deported, does 5 years in prison for FELONY RE-ENTRY & FOREVER BARRED from re-entry.)

for those FOOLS, who believe that what i'm suggesting is wrong/racist/anti-immigrant/anything else negative, let me remind you that:
1. i'm NOT "white" (i'm an enrolled member of one of the 300+ Native Nations of the USA)
AND
2. my MUCH BELOVED/adopted daughter was born in Mexico,is a full-blood AmerIndian, came here lawfully (and like most NEW citizens & "green card holders") and DESPISES "wetbacks" as the CRIMINALS that they ARE!
(fyi, the VAST majority of LEGAL IMMIGRANTS feel exactly the same about "wets", as she does.)

before you make a "OH, so SENSITIVE comment", be sure that we'll expect YOU to pay, out of your own funds, for anyone that YOU want here, violating the law of the states/USA.

you might also want to "open your home " to the "wets", that you're "so concerned about".

OTHERWISE, expect that we Tea Party members will call you what you ARE: SELF-righteous, arrogantly ignorant, sanctamonious, FOOLS & HYPOCRITES!

just my opinion.

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 24, 2010 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Is it a requirement of citizenship it Texas to be a few bricks shy of a load?

Posted by: douglaslbarber | April 24, 2010 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Maybe if we called it what it truly is ,
a humanitarian aid package, then we could start agreeing on some things and move the dialogue forward. Immigration reform is a misleading premise.

No one should want to be for amnesty because it serves unskilled labor demands. That really falls short of the historical significance test,the Obama test. In order for it to be truly monumental it should be known as the grand freeing or the holy exodus. That way America can get some credit for a change.

Posted by: shakes3 | April 24, 2010 1:50 AM | Report abuse

When will the flow of "immigrants" end? It is just hard to imagine that anything will change in Mexico if we just sit by and absorb all of its unwanted citizens. If its nothing to be alarmed about someone please explain why not.

Posted by: shakes3 | April 24, 2010 1:58 AM | Report abuse

Illegal immigration is a humanitarian aid package to the same class of people who don't pay ordinary income tax on their earnings as hedge fund managers.

That would be businesses who shamelessly seek out the cheapest possible labor, no matter that it's found in communist Viet Nam where our soldiers fought and died for a decade before losing to the folks who now supervise the work force of our multinational corporations.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | April 24, 2010 2:04 AM | Report abuse

And by the way, as a matter of honor, we owe the people who sweat under a hot sun to harvest our crops,

a decent wage, and fair treatment.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | April 24, 2010 2:07 AM | Report abuse

What does Jan Brewer suggest be done about the Native American nation that straddles the border. Are all the Native Americans now illegal? Jan Brewer didn't sign the bill right away because she had to be told by the ones in charge what to do. She was not elected, hopefully she will never be a "real" governor... we have had so many bizarre governors in Arizona... must be the "water" !! One more dud!

Posted by: mihalick | April 24, 2010 2:21 AM | Report abuse

There have been a number of comments about the 1921 immigration law as the first restriction on immigration.

There were restrictions on immigration prior to that - racial laws -- The Chinese Exclusion Act in the 19th century.

The 1921 law was a racial exclusion law as well -- intended in particular to exclude the flood of immigrants from southern and eastern Europe who were seen as 'different'.

For that matter, in the 1840's there was a 3rd party -- known as the 'Know Nothings' -- their view on immigrants (particularly Irish and German immigrants), as well as Catholics pretty much had the same position as that of the new Know Nothing group of today -- known as the Teabaggers.

Posted by: Barry8 | April 24, 2010 2:25 AM | Report abuse

The first immigration restriction law was passed back in 1870. It targeted the Chinese by allowing only white persons and persons of African descent to immigrate. (Remember, in 1870, the south was still under reconstruction -- thus blacks were allowed under this bill).

Posted by: Barry8 | April 24, 2010 2:31 AM | Report abuse

The writer of this spew obviously never read the Bill or the newly signed law. There's nothing in it about anyone other than an illegal alien, regardless from which of some 190 countries they criminally came into the USA - they have no right or business being here.

Posted by: tucanofulano | April 24, 2010 2:32 AM | Report abuse

The RULE of Law means nothing to Democrats and their lap dogs in the unbiased media.

Hey E.J, why don't you move to Arizona. Buy yourself a nice little casa on the mexican border.......and stay awake every night in fear that some illegal will break into your house.....

...it's easy to spout liberal righteousness (tripe) from the confines of DC....


Posted by: hartwr1 | April 24, 2010 2:49 AM | Report abuse

God bless the people of the great state of Arizona and their courageous leader, Governor Jan Brewer!!

Posted by: rocco411 | April 24, 2010 2:53 AM | Report abuse

What part of "illegal" don't people understand? It isn't a question as to whether or not they should be here, THEY SHOULDN'T! There's no real grounds for debate as to whether they'll cost us too much to leave, or who will do their jobs...THEY SHOULDN'T BE HERE! Discussion of their even being here is tantamount to declaring federal law irrelevant!

Posted by: rocco411 | April 24, 2010 2:58 AM | Report abuse

C'mon, folks, wise up. The law gives police the power to act, but they don't have to, and in 99% of cases they won't. The key here is the message it sends to illegals--you're targeted.

Illegal immigration takes a body blow, and very, very few Hispanics of any nationally are stopped. It's going to work, and it's going to be emulated by other states. Watch.

Posted by: jd5024 | April 24, 2010 2:58 AM | Report abuse

What part of "illegal" don't people understand? It isn't a question as to whether or not they should be here, THEY SHOULDN'T! There are no real grounds for debate involving whether they'll cost us too much to leave, or who will do their jobs...THEY SHOULDN'T BE HERE! Discussion of their even being here is tantamount to declaring federal law irrelevant!

Posted by: rocco411 | April 24, 2010 3:00 AM | Report abuse

According to Dionne, it's wrong to enforce your immigration laws.

No wonder we have an immigration problem.

The Obama administration passed universal health care, and now don't want to have or enforce immigration laws.

Posted by: postfan1 | April 24, 2010 3:04 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we should just ask EVERYBODY who commits a crime for proof of citizenship.

Inconvenient, but nothing racist about it.

Posted by: postfan1 | April 24, 2010 3:05 AM | Report abuse

After reading most of the comments, one thing stands out: racists can't spell, or construct a grammatically correct English sentence. They'd better be careful, if they go to Arizona. Their lack of facility in English could make them targets for arrest. They should be sure to carry their passports on their persons at all times.

Posted by: bettenoir | April 24, 2010 3:13 AM | Report abuse

While I agree that Arizona's new law is short sighted and may result in high rates of crime against immigrants, I'm disappointed that you ignore why this law was paeed in the first place. The federal government has abdicated it's responsibility to control the borders and limit immigration to legal immigration. To put it bluntly, if the feds were doing their job, the border states wouldn't be facing the social and financial burden of absorbing a huge population of illegal immigrants. If Obama doesn't like the law, he needs to start enforcing border controls that will make the law unnecessary. My greatest fear is that the law will allow violent gangs to firmly establish themselves in Arizona cities. They will begin by preying on illegal immigrants who will now be afraid to report crime. The gangs will grow larger, more violent, and given the insatiable appitite of all criminals, that violence will spread to all members of the community. Once established, it will be extremely difficult for Arizona to stop the growth in criminal enterprise, driving people from communities, slowing growth, and making the state and the people much poorer. Sadly the citizens of Arizona aren't looking at unintended consequences. The feds, however, should not be at all surprised that their incompetence regarding illegal immigration has resulted in the unintended consequence of the state attempting,in a very harsh way, to address the void. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail in California and Texas. Our porous borders cause tremendous hardships and costs on border states, and the feds have ignored those costs and ignored a serious and growing problem. On amnesty until the feds get a grip and actually control the southern border. Otherwise, nothing will ever change.

Posted by: hdc77494 | April 24, 2010 3:18 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure all the unemployed US Citizens: carpenters, roofers, concrete workers, who were underbid by companys paying sub-standard wages to illegals won't be losing any sleep over this one. Wish my state would pass a law like this.

Posted by: drees1956 | April 24, 2010 3:39 AM | Report abuse

I just had to cringe watching that old Nazi crone Brewer during her press conference. She has never done anything for anyone except herself and the racist scum in Arizona that seem to rise to the top. After the US Civil War, throngs of ex-confederates moved west and somehow were able to take power here in Arizona and have sustained it to this day. They use that power, of course, to sustain a repressive and inward-looking mindset that sees the world as only 'them versus us'. It's just sad. Makes you wonder what would've happened if the south had won the war...

Posted by: dcafe | April 24, 2010 3:40 AM | Report abuse

It's not about race, it's about ideology.

Posted by: rocco411 | April 24, 2010 3:46 AM | Report abuse

Those of you comparing the new AZ law to the Holocaust, should be ashamed of yourselves. Do you even know what happened in the Holocaust? Jews, who were citizens of Germany and contributing members of society, were targeted. I suggest all of you screamers equating this law to the Holocaust, pay a visit to the Holocaust Museum. After you've done so, please come back here and tell us all how this law resembles the Holocaust in any way, shape or form.

I saw a couple of posters like "mamapanda" talk about "Hispanics" and "Whites". First of all, Hispanic is not a race. In fact, most Hispanics have Spaniard blood in them, making them white.

For all of you shaking in your boots and ranting hysterically about AZ police stopping everyone who "looks" Hispanic and demanding papers --- give it a rest already. Invasion cheerleaders/open border nuts have been falsely accusing Sherrif Joe of doing the same thing.

I visit Maricopa County frequently and am half-Hispanic. Never have I been stopped by the police. In fact, I've driven and walked right by Sherrif's department vehicles and was never bothered. My father is full Hispanic and never once had a problem in AZ.

Also, for all of you screaming "racism" in regard to this new law, please tell us all when did "illegal alien" become a race? In 2006, ICE deported people back to 189 different countries. That represents people of every race, religion and ethnicity.

How police will have cause to suspect someone is here illegally would be a situation where, for example, someone is stopped for a driving violation and can't produce valid ID. You all act like if someone who doesn't "look" Hispanic gets stopped s/he will get a free pass. Wrong! If a non-Hispanic is stopped and can't produce valid ID, police will certainly detain him/her.

Posted by: two4three2 | April 24, 2010 3:52 AM | Report abuse

I support this law. People with blond hair and blue eyes clearly do not have long-term roots in Arizona. They are suspicious and should be detained if they are not carrying valid ID at all times.

Posted by: MikeP2 | April 24, 2010 4:20 AM | Report abuse

If carrying your papers with you at all times is what it takes to cleanup this mess I am more than willing to do this. I already carry ID with to prove who I am every time I fly or need to conduit a critical piece of business. The flood of illegals into this country has pushed millions of Americans out of work on the lower end of the wage scale and significantly depressed wages for others who could be gainfully employed. When I built a house a few years ago I was amazed that the only people who spoke English were the 3 professions where you had to have a license; the general contractor, the electrician and the plumber. Low cost foreign born workers had replaced every other construction worker. The ugly truth of the matter is that much the current economic climate that we are in can be firmly tied back to this one issue. It’s why people are so riled up about it. The budget short falls that our government , schools and health care face along with rising crime rates are all heavily related to the hundreds of billions of dollars that we are hemorrhaging in an effort to support those who are here illegally. Don’t call me some sort of Hispanic racist either, I have deep roots into the LEGAL Hispanic community, my step mother is Cuban as is my step brother and we all want to see the law of land upheld. I have nothing against immigration it just needs to be controlled and regulated fairly. Otherwise you end up with millions from around the world engaging in a free for all stampede to enter this country and a government pushed to the brink of bankruptcy trying to support them. Hmmmm… sounds like the situation we are in……

Posted by: motslots | April 24, 2010 4:23 AM | Report abuse

What else could Arizona do to protect itself? I am sure in time this strict law will be modified but in the mean time the message going out to illegals is follow our rules, stay out or pay the price. I lived in the time of WW2 when we rounded up "Japs" out of fear. What a terrible term "Japs" but we were scared of all this race at the time. I feel the same now with Mexicans sad to say. I feel very sorry for my legal born in this country Mexican relatives. This is a sorting out process right now.

Posted by: eaglehawkaroundsince1937 | April 24, 2010 4:41 AM | Report abuse

"Dear Sirs,
During WW2, a great American general,of German ancestry, had to make the decision to bomb a Catholic monastery.
He had to order that to protect his troops.
They included the Nisei [Americans of Japanese ancestry].
The place was Monte Cassino.
The general was Dwight David Eisenhower!
What would he have said about a law like this?
Clifford Spencer
Posted by: yankeefan1925 | April 23, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse "

so you know, President Eisenhower deported around 12 million illegals during his term...

Posted by: DwightCollins | April 24, 2010 4:57 AM | Report abuse

arizona is the kidnapping state of America by mexican cartel members...
this give the state authority to see who is who and possibly take some bad guys down...

Posted by: DwightCollins | April 24, 2010 5:00 AM | Report abuse

Aside from all the other things that are wrong with this, it's obviously a complete fraud. Does anybody with any sense actually believe this is going to make any significant difference? Do the supporters of this actually want law enforcement people to stop spending their time on violent crime and instead go around stopping many thousands of people to ask for their papers? The fact that this ridiculous idea actually has some support does not speak well for the low level of intelligence of the people who allow themselves to be manipulated by the con artists who devised this.

Posted by: twm1 | April 24, 2010 5:06 AM | Report abuse

In response to TrueObserver-

After 20+ years in the US, my wife has not become a citizen because US law does not require it and she still has an affinity to the country where she was raised and grew up. I think most can relate because we feel the same was about our native US. If she made the decision to become a US citizen, which she has the right to do, I'd support her completely, but I'm not going to try to force her to give up her birth citizenship.

And, ready for a shocker, our kids are dual citizens, which the US also permits.

That's probably next on the AZ chopping block.

Posted by: panamint | April 24, 2010 5:38 AM | Report abuse

The only thing "shameful" about the illegal situation is the fact that it's been allowed to continue for this long. Perhaps the author of this article might change his tune if all the illegals were to camp in his front yard. He's just another far left liberal given space in the paper to show his ignorance.

Posted by: Kelvins13 | April 24, 2010 5:38 AM | Report abuse

I love the way liberals immediately scream "racism" when we talk about enforcing United States immigration laws. So does that mean that it's okay to ignore those laws as long as you're not Caucasian? A foreigner who violates U.S. immigration law is a criminal. Period. And it's about time law enforcement was unshackled to deal with this lawbreaking. Good for Arizona, and I hope this will give law enforcement some tools to help stem the tide of violence bringing brought across the Mexican border by these illegals.

Posted by: SavingGrace | April 24, 2010 5:44 AM | Report abuse

I do believe that Arizona has one of the largest Native American populations in the country. They are citizens. They are poor. They will drive around in their beat-up pick-up trucks. Will they be pulled over because they look Mexican? Will they be judged by their raggedy clothes? Must they carry documentation in a land that was and has been theirs since before we got off the boats? They were here first. This irrational legislation will harm and humiliate them as well. Beware of giving too much power to the state. (The state loves abusing power.)

Posted by: aleklawyer | April 24, 2010 5:45 AM | Report abuse

Why would the law be "shameful"? Either a person is in the country legally, or they aren't. I doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that concept.

Having lived in AZ for 10 years or so, I think I have some insight. The problem is this: the federal government has not done its duty. The southern borders are open, more or less. Of course, this benefits the fat cat Republicans who have businesses that profit from brown slave labor, which is why Bush wouldn't adequately fund the Border Patrol.

But why should the people of AZ pay for this mess? Mexican kids in public schools, women having babies in emergency rooms. Mexicans taking jobs that Americans can do, Mexican gang members in AZ jails. What a bunch of nonsense. The people of AZ are sick of it. Why won't the feds do their job???

Of course, congress could pass some sort of immigration reform. Why don't they? Are they too busy lining their pockets with money from Wall Street?

Posted by: John991 | April 24, 2010 5:57 AM | Report abuse

BRAVO!!! Finally a politician with a spine. As a LEGAL immigrant I applaud this Governor and the Arizona legislation for enforcing the law. Dionne you are a disgrace, shame on you.

Posted by: jlnovel | April 24, 2010 6:01 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe the political correctness going on here. Why is there so much seething hate for the USA's right to police its borders?

Once you get by the border you can NEVER be reasonably sent home?

If the new Mexicans coming over the border could be counted on to vote Republican there would be an ENTIRELY different tune coming out of the Democrats right now. Dionne is a shameless partisan hack.

Posted by: scott3 | April 24, 2010 6:02 AM | Report abuse

Yonkers, New York
24 April 2010

This law which the Arizona legislature just passed and which its Governor has just signed quickly brings to mind Hitler's Nazi Germany when people who looked liked "Jews" were required to produce identity papers proving they were not the hated Jews!

There is no question but that this law requires racial profiling. Anybody and everybody in Arizona, or who happens simply to be in Arizona, and who looks like a Hispanic, will be stopped short by a policeman and required to produce identity papers.

If unfortunately that person cannot produce a "Green Card," a "Passport," or a valid "Driver License," then he is presumed to be an illegal immigrant, subject to arrest and summary deportation to one knows not where!

What if that person happens to have been born in the United States, is therefore automatically an American citizen, but failed to carry around his passport or his driver license, would he be automatically presumed to be an illegal immigrant?

Tell me: is Arizona still part of the United States of America?

Mariano Patalinjug

Posted by: MPatalinjug | April 24, 2010 6:22 AM | Report abuse

Maybe if the Federal government hadn't been so lackadaisical about enforcing immigration laws, it wouldn't need to come to this.

Congress is spineless, and it has never been in their political interest to solve the immigration problem, or to enforce immigration law.

Posted by: postfan1 | April 24, 2010 6:37 AM | Report abuse

Good for her! Perhaps others will follow her example. Immigration is one thing ... filling our country with drugs and murdering citizens is another. Perhaps Mexico would allow Americans to enter and take over 1 for 1? It's a beautiful country and our leaders could fix all the problems. Create jobs, clean up the environment ... water and air ... all that stuff and then they would remain in the FIX.

Posted by: wildernesslight | April 24, 2010 6:39 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Arizona for doing what our gutless Congress won't do for fear of bruising alien feelings and our President won't do because he doesn't care about American feelings.

Posted by: GordonShumway | April 24, 2010 6:42 AM | Report abuse

Yonkers, New York
24 April 2010

This law which the Arizona legislature just passed and which its Governor has just signed quickly brings to mind Hitler's Nazi Germany when people who looked liked "Jews" were required to produce identity papers proving they were not the hated Jews!

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Oddly enough, Israel requires identity papers today. Are they Nazis?

The only way to enforce immigration law is to verify people's identity at some point. When do YOU think this should be done?

If it makes your conscience clearer, maybe we should just check EVERYONE.

Posted by: postfan1 | April 24, 2010 6:43 AM | Report abuse

The law is unconstitutional but it throws the problem into the spotlight. I think the one comment made re how Obama should have fixed this "years ago" is the most fun. Wow, what a smart tea party that one attended!

Posted by: eatinglowonthefoodchain | April 24, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse

The success of this law lies in how it will be enforced. Dionne would like you to think that police will persecute every Hispanic-looking person in Arizona, but really, police will only ask for identification when someone is caught breaking the law.

The lesson is clear: If you are in this country illegally -- AND you break a law -- then you may have to worry about deportation. I don't see how that's mean-spirited.

Posted by: diehardlib | April 24, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse

soy mexicana chicano con un nopal en la frente pero, pero,pero this law rocks! ya es tiempo, the government has not been able to handle 20 million illegal aliens whom are all on food stamps, medicaid, chips, prenatal, we educate every, every illegal child that comes here flooding the schools and we give them free breakfast, free lunch, subsidized chilcare and zillion more benefits and they are "HELLO"! illegal. now we have kidnappings, border wars what the hell do we need congress who sleep in a safe neighborhood, with no illegals down the street. well let me tell you i did live with them and they are hell! so yes i agree with this law if they ask me if i have a green card i'll just tell them my visa is blue! and thats all the card i have.
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My friend, with borderline English like this, you're going to be the target of every police officer in Arizona. Don't leave home without your green card.

Posted by: worf | April 24, 2010 6:58 AM | Report abuse

This bil will be struck down as unConstitutional on many grounds, but that is going to take a little while. Suspect classification, supremecy (only congress controls immigration law) and certainly a host of minor points of law will make this untenable.

In the mean time, does anyone honestly not see this as an attempt at state sanctioned racism? Will AZ cops be demanding papers from anyone with skin lighter than john boners? Will they ask for papers with anyone who does not have a Spanish sounding accent? Puleeeeez. We have illegal immigrants in this country from all around the world. But almost everyone, when the phrase "illegal alien" comes up, think of George Lopez in a gardeners outfit.

If people are willing to trek through the desert, climb high fences, skirt INS, to work in really lousy jobs for really lousy pay just to get ahead and to make a better life for their kids then they are the kind of people our country needs. Hard working pull yourself up by the bootstrap go getters. Now those lazy suburban lard buts who can't mamnage to pull themselves away from ESPN to cut the grass? Their wide load offspring who would die of heart failure if they had to carry out the trash? THOSE people we should deport. Who needs that kind of lazy shiftless do nothing slob? no one would take them because they are just potato chip sucking leeches who are going to piddle and whine about the cost of Medicare until they need a quintuple bypass at 65 because they didn't move and ate nothing but fat and too much salt for their entire sedentary lives.

Posted by: John1263 | April 24, 2010 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Hooray for governor Jan Brewer! She is a national hero and Arizona is an all-American state. It is leading the way for TRUE immigration reform. It enforces American law the way it was meant to be enforced

It also enforces the rights of American CITIZENS to be free of massive, foreign invasion and all the crime that brings with it.

A good day for real Americans!

Posted by: battleground51 | April 24, 2010 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Shameful? What's shameful is that Congress since 1986 has turned a blind eye to the invasion of this country and their intentional refusal to enforce the lawful immigration laws! What's shameful is the politicians who still today, are using amnesty as a way to garner votes for short term political gains.
What's shameful is that members of Congress will turn traitor on this country and its citizens in favor of foreign nationals who have invaded and are occupying this country at the expense WITH CONGRESS' HELP of the American people!What's shameful is that members of Congress are refusing the secure the borders and lie about it. What's shameful is that members of Congress refuse serious enforcement as well as refusing to remove 20+million invaders that they know are in this country and instead pander to them for votes! What's shameful is that members of Congress are willing to sellout this country to an invading peasant army and supply these "refugees" with funds and services in excess of what legal Americans get! What's shameful is that members of Congress allowed and aided a guy with questionable background to run and become president who then seals his records to prevent Americans from finding out who/what he is while he and they trash our Constitution and destroy our rights! What's shameful is this paper has a writer who approves of all of this. SHAMEFUL!

Posted by: TexRancher | April 24, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Realistically, the police will only be checking immigration status when they arrest people who appear to be from a foreign country.

Hopefully, this will push Obama to address immigration laws, and reveal whether or not he is in favor of enforcing the law or creating an amnesty program, complete with the entitlements of citizenship.

Posted by: postfan1 | April 24, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Love the all caps email about what happens if you cross the border into...

No doubt from a tea bagger who loves to run around yelling about tyranny and socilism, but did not think that the shining examples of what he would want in America are all tyrannical, and mostly socialist, nations. He is obviously so amazingly dim wited that he does not realize that he is saying "we should be like Iran, and north Korea, and Venezuela and Cuba."

Personally I like followin AMERICAN values. They suit my temperment a little better than those totalitarian states tea baggers apparently want to emmulate.

As to the illegals - each and every one of the posts in support of this law assumes that illegals are brown and speak Spanish. And several are floating the notion that states have the legal authority to decide what is or is not Constitutional. Both fictions.

And I think if anyone has the initiative and guts and courage and will power to come into a hostile foreign nation and work like crazy just to make their lives better and to get a glimmer of opportunity for their children they are EXACTLY the kind of people we need. Just like we needed the Irish in the 1840s, andht e Italians, Magyars, Jews, Slavs, Poles etc in the 1890s....all groups who were slurred and discriminated against using the same language and the same race baiting that we see today, and all of whom brought energy and vitality to the nation. And don't go lah blah blah about them not being illegal because the immigration laws essentially only required that you not have a dangerous communicable disease untio the 1920s (except for Asians who were excluded almost entirely from immigration starting with the Chinese in 1883 based on racist public views)

Posted by: John1263 | April 24, 2010 7:13 AM | Report abuse

In 1981 I moved from the DC area to the Arizona/Mexico border not far from Miracle Valley (that is another story). My car insurance doubled even though we lived out in the middle of nowhere. Can't imagine why. I moved back in 83. Gotta wonder what it is like there today. My only point is unless you've lived there you don't know what you are talking about.

Posted by: linus12 | April 24, 2010 7:23 AM | Report abuse


Dionne, quoting the liberal "New Evangelical Partnership for the Common Good" (started by a fired lobbyist that is allied with Obama) is hardly capturing the voice of the religious community.

With all the liberal bluster, no one is saying how Immigration laws SHOULD be enforced. Most of us realize now that Democrats don't want them enforced at all.
When you decompose the entitlements, you are paying for another child that you never knew you had, an immigrant family.

Dionne is a partisan hack. Dems are making a political rallying point of this without any solution. It is their racial bread and butter.

Nevermind that police have the right to stop ANYONE and question them when they have reasonable suspicion a crime may be committed.

So here is the real message. DEMOCRATS THINK THAT LATINOS ARE ABOVE THE LAW AND SHOULD NOT BE STOPPED IF REASONABLE SUSPICION OF A CRIME EXISTS.

sounds pretty damned discriminatory indeed.

Posted by: Akcita_Tridens | April 24, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Why have US immigration laws, if Democrats do not want them enforced? Dionne proves that he is for illegal immigration, if it is 'shameful' to enforce existing constitutional US law. Or do libs believe that we should declare existing US law unconstitutional?

Posted by: thelaw1 | April 24, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Everyone does things that are illegal. When you drive 80mph in the left lane you are breaking the law and you are an illegal.

Posted by: jrb1 | April 24, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

"The broad anti-immigrant bill passed by the Legislature this week makes it a crime to be in the country illegally and gives local cops the job of demanding documentation if they have reasonable suspicion someone lacks it."

Nota Bene: It's already a federal crime to be in this country illegally. All this bill does is give local law enforcement the power to enforce federal law since the feds aren't up to the job. Only the loopy E.J. and the radical left would consider this an outrage. Since when is criminal considered racist?

Posted by: jpost1 | April 24, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Looks like the REPUBLIC is a left-wing rag after all. The proof is this:

It called the anti-illegal immigrant bill an "anti-immigrant bill".

Only a liberal, open borders person would do that.

It's political smear aimed at conservatives.

Posted by: battleground51 | April 24, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse

No country in the world is as stupid, pathetic, and laughable as America about controlling non-citizen access (except perhaps France, the UK, and Canada).

We are the laughingstock of the planet for this and several other leftist stupidities.

I've been to 30+ countries and almost without exception overstaying one's visa is a criminal offense that usually subjects you to a daily fine, detention, often jail time, and mandatory deportation.

In most countries outside of the USA, the mere idea of entering illegally, with no passport or ID or visa, and then securing any kind of work whatsoever is so patently ridiculous that you'd have to be an idiot to attempt it.

But in America we accept this unacceptable behavior, day after day after day, and in 20 million different ways.

I'm fairly certain that EJ Dionne knows all of this, and his failure to mention it is disingenuous in the extreme.

Posted by: geeyore | April 24, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

For the past couple of years, more people are dying on the Mexican side of the border than in Iraq or Afghanistan. The narco war is a real war. Those who love on the border are understandably afraid of that.

In the same period, Washington has dithered and dissembled, pretending to do something while accomplishing practically nothing to stem the tide of illegal immigration and its profound ill effects on life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for Americans and Mexicans. Human misery grows on both sides of the border and the Beltway does nothing menaingful to help.

After all, the Democrats get voters and Rrepublicans get cheap labor. So D.C. will never fix this. The calculus of national politics is not the calculus of service to voters and citizens. It is cynical and wrong.

Yes, the Arizona law is misguided. But not moreso than the failure of Washington to act in protecting its citizens and states. Frustrated and angry, Arizona voters do what people in a democracy do, take matters into their own hands, legally.

You sit in your safe office, in your safe home and castigate those who live with a growing and dangerous problem. You fawn over those in Washington who allow this.

Get out a little Mr. Dionne. Move to Tucson for a year. Visit Ciudad Juarez if you dare. Then tell us that we're racist, ultra-nationalist wing nuts. At least we're doing something.

Robert Fuller

Posted by: fuller1 | April 24, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Ladies and gentlemen, I don't care your color, your race, your gender, whatever -- the VERY FIRST THING a police officer demands after he's got the situation under control for produce identification. It's been that way since there have been police officers.

I don't understand how we could make an exception for people who appear to be immigrants, or why such an exemption would be necessary.

My sense is that the outrage being expressed stems from the codification into clear law that these immigrants are in point of fact breaking the law, and as such are subject to arrest. Well, I'm sorry, but they are here illegally, period. Full stop.

We should applaud any efforts to turn back the human tide that is destroying wages and benefits for blue collar Americans of all races, religions, genders, and national origins.

And those who call themselves "liberals" need to remind themselves whose side they're on: the side of the American worker or the side of the greedy employer using these people to create a Mexican-style economy north of the border as well.

And no, the answer is not amnesty, or so-called "comprehensive immigration reform" which is a fancy euphemism for it. That makes the status of the flood of low-wage workers permanent, and the concomitant depression of wages and benefits likewise.

I would say this: focus on the employers, not the immigrants. If the jobs stop, the problem will correct itself, and there'll be no need for controversial methods to "round up" immigrants.

My heart goes out to these immigrants. It's by and large our fault, thanks to NAFTA, that they can't find work at home.

It's just that my heart belongs to the American worker first. Mexico needs to take care of its own, not provide them maps instructing them how to cross the border.

Posted by: trippin | April 24, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

And just how much is this going to cost?
Not just in dollars, but also in the time that the investigating officer could be working on crimes of CONSEQUENCE.

republicans:
Can't manage.
Can't govern.
Can't tell the truth.
"Grandpa, what was a rebuplican?"

Posted by: TOMHERE | April 24, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

"Wouldn't it be interesting if someone sued the State of Arizona to amend this law to read that EVERYONE who lives in or enters Arizona must carry proof of their U.S. citizenship or risk arrest, making it a requirement for everyone to carry such proof on their persons at all time? Would that change the conversation just a bit? Oh, you bet it would!"

If Virginia, where I live, would pass such a law, I would gladly carry proof of citizenship with me just as I now carry my drivers license.

I supported the 1986 amnesty with the understanding that 1 million illegal aliens would get amnesty and the rest of us would get enforcement. The 1 million became almost 3 million, largely as a result of fraud; and then they brought their immediate families, followed by their extended families, who then brought their immediate families. I, on the other hand, am still waiting for enforcement.

The means to enforce the law have been around for years, and E-Verify followed by no-match letters could dry up the jobs magnet in short order. Instead we now have politicians who want to run the 1986 amnesty scam again: They will gladly give us enforcement someday maybe for immediate amnesty.

And they wonder why US citizens no longer trust their government.

Posted by: dflinchum | April 24, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

The leaders of Arizona are true heros..liberal tolerance and encouragement of illegal immigration is nothing short of domestic terrorism, IMO.

Posted by: oceancitybum | April 24, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm a school teacher who was seriously thinking of relocating to New Mexico -- beautiful nature, nice climate... no more. The people who are silly enough and mean spirited enough to pass this misguided thing make me shudder. And obviously the state has a lot of them. Northern states seem more reasonable, even though the weather is colder.

Posted by: johnnormansp | April 24, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

People should be ready to provide ID when asked.

That is all.

No need for shame.

Or propaganda.

Just "Here is my ID."

I did it every day when I worked for FDA.

I am ready to do so when I drive.

We are all the same race - human.

Too many "accommodations" have been established in the border areas over the years as political figures were corrupted. Now only the USA military can do an honest job. Perhaps some of the Border Patrol is honest. Or all. I don't know.

But this law puts all the accommodations in danger.

This is to protect these arrangements.

I would end all of them if I could.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | April 24, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Let's see...we have laws on the books that say we don't allow illegal immigration, but according to Dionne and those on the Left, when we take steps to enforce the law, we're racist, fascist, Hitlerian, etc.

If those of you on the Left don't understand why conservatives who distrust big government would cheer a law such Arizona's, let me explain it to you. Most conservatives believe in LIMITED government, and in government doing what the private sector or individuals cannot do. Most conservatives believe in the rule of law. Most conservatives believe that government should enforce civil order so that individuals can be free to live their lives and engage in legal commerce without threat of violence or others flauting the law. We know that when the government does not enforce a level playing field or treat its citizens fairly, that cynicism and contempt for the law rises. Most conservatives also believe strongly in as much power as possible residing locally, and that includes the States.

Thus, we cheer this law, which is long overdue.

Posted by: RedderThanEver | April 24, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

E.J. Dionne: Check out the way Mexico treats illegal aliens trying to live and work illegally in Mexico. Interview some of the illegal aliens in Mexican prisons without trial for a year or more awaiting deportation hearings. Ask yourself why Mexico has no illegal immigrant problem? Then: after chewing on all that, ask yourself: why is Mexico's government complaining about Arizona's law as racist? Gee, what if we adopted Mexico's policy of dealing with its illegal aliens in Mexico?

Posted by: thedefendantX | April 24, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

"It is nothing short of astonishing that Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer Friday signed a bill that could make it dangerous just to look Hispanic."

Dionne's dishonesty and fear mongering is what is astonishing.

Posted by: bobmoses | April 24, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

I love it... I wish they would do the same damn thing here in Florida!

Why do we call them ILLEGAL immigrants? Because they are in the United States ILLEGALLY! Period you morons!

If the same number of people stole a loaf of bread from 7-11 that there are illegally in this country most of them would go to jail.

Remember 9-11? Remember how many of those responsible came waltzing in through our borders? No where near the number of those who come in illegally everyday. Sure, I'm all for human rights and caring for others but enough is enough with all you panzy ass spineless people who think every damn person on the face of the planet deserves to come in my house... yes, this country is MY house. And I have a sign on the front door that says "have gun will shoot".

I can definately see another, and yet so very different, civil war brewing in this country, in MY house... and we will win again my friends and foes.

Posted by: netdesigns | April 24, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Cowards one and all.

too cowardly to shut down businesses that hire illegals and keep them shut.

If there were no jobs here, there would be no illegals here.

shame shame shame

We boycotted Arizona when they refused to recognize Martin Luther King day, and we can boycott Arizona for making it illegal to obey laws while brown.

Posted by: dutchess2 | April 24, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Florida and Arizona must have republican governors...

You know... them what thinks a business, any business, is better than people?

All the citizens of Florida and Arizona have to do is make sure their governors pull the registrations of every business caught hiring an illegal, and keep them pulled. Make them relocate and relocate until they can't find a state that will tolerate them.

On the other hand... when was the last time you checked into a motel and found a clerk, waitress, or maid that could speak English?

Its under you nose every day and you don't do anything about it.

Posted by: dutchess2 | April 24, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Obama. BUILD THE FENCE, and SHUT YOUR FAT MOUTH, for once. If Jeremiah Wrights' Boy was doing his JOB, and securing the BORDER, there wouldn't be a problem.
Here's my question, President Street Punk. Do YOU let anyone in on YOUR PROPERTY who doesn't belong there? What do YOU DO, when someone jumps YOUR FENCE?
I count the days that this MARXIST (inappropriate term) is gone.
Don't you?

Posted by: GoomyGommy | April 24, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Halt! Papieren bitte...schnell! (Stop! Papers please...quickly!)
Let's hope that this lunacy will be a wake-up call for Democrats and Republicans alike so that they can come together on a centrist, sensible immigration reform bill before the November elections. If immigration reform is not passed before the midterm election, it will not happen before 2012 and probably not in the foreseeable future and meanwhile, more states will go down the same path as Arizona.

Posted by: mehuwss | April 24, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

What is shameful is the refusal of the Federal Government to stop the twenty year long invasion of the US by Mexico.

Posted by: jdonner2 | April 24, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Why do I have to build a fence for you?

Why can't your governor just jerk the registrations to do business in the state for those cmpanies that hire illegals...

jerk those registrations and keep them jerked... none of that boys will be boys elbows in the rib yuk yuk ... get them out of business in the state they exploit and abuse.

Posted by: dutchess2 | April 24, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

What a great Law!! Imagine, enforcing the law and kicking out illegals, what a concept!!

They are illegal they need to go!!!!

Can we run this governor for president?

I will definately being visiting Arizona

In fact thinking about retiring to NC, but it Arizona is going to enforce the laws we may change our minds.

Posted by: kathymac1 | April 24, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

chi-town

If you even mention a national ID for US citizens, the republicans have cats.

Posted by: dutchess2 | April 24, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

to deacon54
Did not know that people like you really exist.
Arizona is sending illegals back to their country, illegals get it, you comment is so irrelevant that it is funny

Posted by: kathymac1 | April 24, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like the beginnings of a police state and very slippery slope indeed. The fools who passed this legislation really haven't thought through the ramifications. Of course the very same right wingers who support this assault on freedom are the same ones who rail against the govt and accuse the Obama administration of tyranny. The only way to make this fair is to mandate everyone in Arizona start carrying proof of citizenship. So, what happens when they stop someone they think looks suspicious (fits the profile), and the person doesn't have his "papers". Are they going to start locking people up? How many innocent people will be rounded up? How many front line law enforcement officers are there with chips on their shoulders just looking for any excuse to harass someone?

Posted by: ggwalt | April 24, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

_Jay_

No, they made a law that made it ok to stop and question you, make you produce proof of citizenship, if you are merely brown.

Posted by: dutchess2 | April 24, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Thank God At least one state has the balls to do something about ILLEGAL immegration. It is a shame that it has to go this far but since the Feds won't secure our boarders, the states have to do what is needed to keep their people same from the small percentage of illegals that steal, sell drugs, kidnap, and murder. If they are here ILLEGALLY they SHOULD be ARRESTED and deported. HURRAY for Arizona

Posted by: Hopinghere2 | April 24, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

The nerve of arizona wanting to enforce the law,they may not want to become like another crime ridden place destroyed by uncontrolled migration, the crime and drug capital of North america,florida

Posted by: gonville1 | April 24, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

The law is not just shameful, it's hate-based and racist! And it's all driven by the Tea-baggers and/or Jan Brewer's fear of the Tea-baggers.

Get a spine, Brewer, and while you're at it, get a life.

Posted by: loulor | April 24, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Violent crime in Arizona has doubled every year since 2005, almost certainly due to internatioal preditors since the actual population has only increased by less than a million 'persons'. Since this would qualify as an 'emergency condition' even by federal executive power laws, the creation of laws governing an emergency by the state of Arizona is easily within its Tenth Amendment ("The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved by the states respectively, or to the people.") authorities in order to deal with what amounts to a violent foreign invasion of that state. It may not be a civil rights issue at all since the violent preditors are not citizens.

And note the Fourteenth Amendment: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." The Arizona law, in an emergency, does NOT deprive a person of his life, liberty or property, noting that a 'person' is not defined as a 'citizen under the jurisdiction of the United States', until he has been identified as a suspect in a crime. Under emergency condtions, many of the 'persons' could qualify as enemy combatants or habitual terrorists and are not entitled to the Bill of Rights protections of citizens.

We probably shouldn't go into the fact that each 'person' entering the State of Arizona who doesn't have citizenship rights automatically costs the citizens of that state $150,000 dollars per person for security, judicial, educational, and health administration. What happens if the Arizona or New Mexico or Texas State has a law that says a 'person' coming across the border automatically owes that State an infrastructure 'fee' of $150,000 and that he can be detained in desert tent facilities until it is paid? If the 'person' is not a citizen, would such a fee be a form of involuntary servitude prohibited by the Thirteenth Amendment?

Posted by: arjay1 | April 24, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

In Arizona, frustrated by ongoing lack of enforcement of immigration laws by the federal government, the legislature has taken matters into its own hands, adopting legislation to try to crack down on illegals. This is how the Associated Press summarizes the Arizona statute:

_ Makes it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally by specifically requiring immigrants to have proof of their immigration status. Violations are a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $2,500. Repeat offenses would be a felony.
_ Requires police officers to "make a reasonable attempt" to determine the immigration status of a person if there is a "reasonable suspicion" that he or she is an illegal immigrant. Race, color or national origin may not be the only things considered in implementation. Exceptions can be made if the attempt would hinder an investigation.
_ Allow lawsuits against local or state government agencies that have policies that hinder enforcement of immigration laws. Would impose daily civil fines of $1,000-$5,000. There is pending follow-up legislation to halve the minimum to $500.
_ Targets hiring of illegal immigrants as day laborers by prohibiting people from stopping a vehicle on a road to offer employment and by prohibiting a person from getting into a stopped vehicle on a street to be hired for work if it impedes traffic.

It isn't clear to me what, in that legislation, is controversial. If we take seriously the idea that immigration laws are to be enforced, Arizona's measures seem rather modest.

Posted by: gorams1 | April 24, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

This law will fall as soon as the lawsuits come charging in. Wait until American citizens (with the wrong color faces) get profiled and harrased for their papers and hauled off if they don't provide them. There will be plenty of lawyers lining up to get paid for this one...

Posted by: diebrucke | April 24, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Good job Arizona. I will spend my vacation and my money in Arizona.

Now, if we could just deport this idiotic Wa Po columnist.

Posted by: wj03412000 | April 24, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Just another tactic used by the powers that be. Divide and conquer. Keep us fighting amongst ourselves while they rob us blind. Wake up people. This has nothing to do with "immigration".

Posted by: bretb | April 24, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

First, we're supposed to pretend Muslim terrorists aren't Muslim.

Now, we're supposed to pretend Mexican invaders aren't Mexican.

Political Correctness is proof that whole societies can go insane.

Posted by: happyacres | April 24, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

How, exactly, does Arizona's law "threaten[] to undermine basic notions of fairness"? Why is it unfair to enforce the immigration laws? Most Americans would say that it undermines basic notions of fairness when our government deliberately refuses to enforce the laws Congress has passed, to the disadvantage of our citizens. And as far as trust between police and "communities" is concerned--assuming we are talking about communities of American citizens--one would think it would improve trust if citizens can see that the laws are being enforced. It's funny, isn't it: liberals love to talk about the "rule of law" when they are trying to create never-before-seen "rights" belonging to enemy combatants. But where is the "rule of law" when the laws relating to immigration are studiously ignored, if not deliberately undermined?

What is most striking about Obama's harsh condemnation of the state of Arizona is its political myopia. It is hard, offhand, to think of precedents for a President denouncing a state law in such vituperative fashion. Evidently Obama doesn't think he has a chance of carrying Arizona in 2012--assuming that he intends to run for re-election, which I am starting to doubt. More broadly, he seems to have learned nothing from the Bush administration's experience with comprehensive immigration "reform."

Posted by: gorams1 | April 24, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Dionne,

Opinions like yours are like armpits... some of them stink... like your opinion.

Get out of DC and see what the real world is like outside the beltway. You'll be surprised... my home town in Texas is being slowly burned down by illegals and their meth labs. Are you willing to let them us your home as a meth lab? If not, then shut the hell up!

Posted by: joeblotnik49 | April 24, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

My recommendation is to boycott Arizona. Who in their right mind would want to visit a state where any cop has the authority to demand proof of citizenship for any reason? Exactly what criteria do they intend to use? Dark skinned people beware. I have a biracial (black/white) nephew who could easily pass for hispanic. My sister is dating a hispanic man who's a U.S. citizen and has lived in this country for years. He owns a business. His children are U.S. citizens. They would all be at risk if they happened to pass through Arizona just because they fit the profile.

Posted by: ggwalt | April 24, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

The shame of our govt to not tackle this problem decades ago.

the shame of politicians to fawn over the "illegal" vote

the shame of voters to vote for hypocrites that have left the border open yet claim strength on immigration reform

the shame of fellow americans who refuse to support their fellow citizens who ACTUALLY LIVE THERE.

the shame of a newspaper that feels the need to support illegal activity to not alienate its customer.

the shame of a president to call anyone misguided, despite being misguided, deluded and grossly incompetent himself.

to shame all of you who haven't at least tried to imagine living in the shoes of an arizona rancher

to shame this dionne robot for the liberal wing of our failed govt.

Posted by: docwhocuts | April 24, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

The AZ law is a good thing. Cutting edge. People not in the USA legally need to go home. Why should the people of AZ pay for illegal kids to go to school? Why should they pay for illegals to have babies in state hospitals? Why should they house illegal criminals in state jails?

Of course, the Republican scum like all the brown slave labor, but to hell with that. Perhaps they could hire some Americans.

Posted by: John991 | April 24, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Now, who is that doesn't understand the constitution?

Answer: Lots of people.

Who ignores it at their convenience?

Answer: Right right lunatics.

Posted by: st50taw | April 24, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

There's no way to defend this racist law, and I hope the state of Arizona goes bankrupt trying to defend this unconstitutional travesty. Let's spell it out - it doesn't make it a crime to be here illegally. It makes it illegal to look something-other-than-white and not carry ID.
I say we sell this racist state back to Mexico - you know, from whence it came - and see how the fearful old white people who have taken it over fare.
And John McPanderer should be ashamed of himself.

Posted by: kenzoan13 | April 24, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Obama and his regime believe they have the power to order every last American to buy health insurance; deny salt to your dinner; adjust the planet's temperature; command the oceans to recede; and make fat kids skinny.

But he can't control the border with Mexico?

Obama just doesn't want to. Next up, letting illegals vote. Lot's of votes to mined there from people looking for more free pork from the government.

Posted by: Bill451 | April 24, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

i for one(and not the only) hope every state does the same thing. this country is going (more) broke paying for illegals. people who pay taxes don't have half the benefits these low-lifes get. something had to be done and i'm glad to see someone had the chutzpah to get the ball rolling!!

Posted by: astroman215aolcom | April 24, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

"Liberals want Mexicans to have the unlimited right to pore into the United States" --something from those "English-only" types who don't know and don't care about the difference between "pore" and "pour."

Posted by: yatest | April 24, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

E.J. - you've outdone yourself this time with your extra dollop of contempt for "the peeps" (those of us non-corporatist little people out there).

But the emphasis in your headline has been misapplied. It should read "Arizona's 'shameful' immigration bill"

Posted by: GodBless1 | April 24, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse


Much hand wringing from the left and vaporish warnings of Nazis and South Africa.

But none offer any solution.

The basic test for responsible of any government is control of the nation's borders.

Under that test, its been decades since we've had one as both parties are in a contest to pander to Hispanic voters and to paint the other as hostile to Hispanic interests. In the mean time we've lost control.

Posted by: Bill451 | April 24, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse


What is shameful Mr. Dionne is your continued attack on the people who would uphold the laws of the United States of America as somehow being un-American.

Of course, if one doesn't hew to your elitist brand of journalism then I suppose one should just sit down and shut up while you and your elitist friends decide what is best for the country.

Please take your One World way of thinking and depart the U.S. for a country that is willing to traffic in that sort of pap. Take A. Baldwin and all the rest of the commie, pinko, fag, junkie, hollywood intellingsia with you as well as the elitist politicians of the same ilk.

Thank you.

Posted by: jrealty | April 24, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Democratic Rep. Grijalva closed his Arizona offices this weekend due to death threats.

Posted by: angie12106 | April 24, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

So, the author feels it is ok to brake the laws of this country? With no repercusions?

Posted by: mark0004 | April 24, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

NO amnesty for U.S. corporations violating U.S. immigration laws by hiring illegals!

Posted by: angie12106 | April 24, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Really, the only thing that came to mind listening to the Gov. of Arizona talk about her signing of this Bill was that "Yellow Star" the Jews were made to wear on their sleeves in a German occupied Nation during WWII.

Yes, illegal immigration is a serious prolem BUT THIS? It brings our Nation to a new low. What is it with the Republicans? First the Bush/Cheney Administration and their horrid practices of abducting people off the streets and flying them to other Nations to torture them in the name of national security using the excuse of 9/11, listening in on American's phone conversations, now, the Gov. of Arizona signs a Bill into Law basically saying every person who looks like they came from "south of the border" needs to have "their yellow star in their pocket at all times" is put on notice. The Repuclican party has been acting more like "that" Party who ruled Germany during WWII.

Posted by: rannrann | April 24, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

The only travesty here is that one state has been made to do what the federal government should have been doing all along but has so far refused to do -- enforce the integrity of the nation's border.

Criticizing this law is tantamount to saying that the nation should not even try to control the border.

Posted by: Bill451 | April 24, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

The story is without merit and instigating. Why does the word Illegal exist and why people from other countries follow legal path.The politicians from both the parties do express their support for illegal immigration because they think they can muster votes. The responsibility for the state Governor is to enforce the law which is in force especially when there is a huge problem for the state citizens. If every state enforces the current law in the constitution the problem which has been intentionally kept unresolved will get solved automatically. What is illegal and unconstitutional if the authorities try to verify whether the person has legal papers to stay or work?. Nobody seems to worry about the right to safety of the legals in the country. There is Supreme court which will ultimately decide whether the state had authority to enforce the existing law.

Posted by: ganeshan | April 24, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Yeah! Go Arizona!

Posted by: derek1992 | April 24, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

The Federal Government is not doing it's job concerning the security of our border with Mexico. If the law passed in Arizona gets the Feds to act it has served it's purpose. Illegal immigrants are ILLEGAL. The Democrats need to stop looking at illegal immigrants as tool to get votes. The Democrats have always looked at immigration as a vote getter, at the expense of our security.


Posted by: bobbo2 | April 24, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

This does not violate the 4th Amendment. The Supreme Court has upheld sobriety checkpoints. There is no rational reason to distinguish those from an immigration checkpoint. Just as the state's interest in reducing drunk driving outweighed any minor infringement,so too does the state's infinitely more compelling interest in reducing illegal immigration outweigh any minor burden from showing that you are here lawfully.

Posted by: Bill451 | April 24, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

If you are in the country legally, then you have nothing to fear. If you are not here legally, then that is what the law is for. What's so hard to understand about that Mr. Dionne?

Posted by: harryvederchi | April 24, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

You have the nerve to call this shameful? The only shameful thing here is the fact that politicians on both sides have allowed ILLEGAL immigration to have happened this long. To the columnist - do you lock your doors at night when you go home? Of course you do, because you don't want people coming into your house that you don't know, and are uninvited. Same principle, it's not that hard to understand, and a wide majority of American citizens do understand it. Wake up.

Posted by: Yanks49 | April 24, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

If the Federal government had been doing its job effectively and enforcing the immigration laws on the books, this action may not have been necessary. However, I think the law is a good first step in an effort to control illegal alien presence in this country. In fact, if the Feds were smart, they would use the Arizona law as the model with which to develop Comprehensive Immigration Reform, since the system is "broken". We know that won't happen, however. If Obama, Gutierrez, Grijalva, Cardinal Mahony and other illegal alien advocates are against this new law, they must view it as potentially good and effective in terms of its intent and are concerned that it will survive legal challenges. At the very least, the new law sends the kind of message the Feds should send to those whose presence violates our immigration laws.

Finally, whose fault is it that the vast majority of the illegal aliens are from south of the U. S. border?

Posted by: Ranger01 | April 24, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Once again Dionne thinks he's more intelligent than others. I used to think this man had some intelligence, now I realize he's nothing but a parrot for anything he thinks is liberal. If liberals told him to shove people into gas ovens, he'd do it. The people of Arizona have the right to do what is necessary to protect themselves. The federal government hasn't done a thing to protect our borders. Beaner drug barons cross the border at will, shoot citizens, and distribute their poison at will. Personally, I think it's time to shut these hispanic "support" groups down once and for all. As far as Dionne is concerned, he's incapable of rational thought because he simply doesn't have the brainpower to think critically. He can only parrot what his masters tell him.

Posted by: panamajack | April 24, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

i wonder how an american that moved to another country illegally would be appreciated. would they get free medical? would they get state funded housing? would their children born there be citizens?? i would hope not- and not here either! illegals lives might be better here, but they are bringing our country down to their level.

Posted by: astroman215aolcom | April 24, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Illegal immigrants are criminals - it is illegal for you to be here without proper authority. I congratulate the Arizona Gov. for taking care of an issue the Federal gov't refuses to recognize. If you don't want to end up in jail - don't commit a crime. It's that simple. And you don't like the law - go home.

Posted by: mfteresa | April 24, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I agree ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION is outright wrong. When caught, ALL must go back.

There already is a legal path.

There's a reason they are here, though...

There are AMERICANS that are hiring them and paying cash knowing full well they are here ILLEGALLY. When they pay workers in cash, they hurt AMERICAN laborers, and AMERICAN taxpayers, perhaps even their neighbor. The reason the AMERICAN employers do it for more PROFIT.

There is no other reason they are here.

What are the penalties for EMPLOYING an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT?

Posted by: vigor | April 24, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I love you liberal tools, led by EJ, the most feckless supplicant of all. I have no idea what Arizona is attempting to do, but I know for certain that it is based in the desperate situation they find themselves in as a result of the Feds total inaction decade after decade. You idiots like to scream "Racism" at every corner, but that's easy for you, because there are no drug cartel murders on the Upper West Side. These people have a real danger, encroaching daily, and you idiots want them to do nothing lest it appear "intolerant." The intolerance is from the elite class, who believes that everyone in this country and on this earth should think and behave as they do. Screw all of you, and especially EJ Dionne, feckless leader of the clan.

Posted by: subframer | April 24, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

How do we get such a bill here in Colorado???

This best thing we could do is keep illegals out BEFORE they ruin a state and a bill like the Arizona one is needed.

If the Arizona bill seems harsh, not having it would be even worse-much worse.

Posted by: ds3550 | April 24, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

It is not shameful. This country is now half minority, and most of them cannot speak English or graduate from high school. How in the world are we going to compete with China in the coming years when our workforce is illiterate? As the white population declines, so does the U.S. Show me one Latino country that is as successful as we are, a country built by whites?

Posted by: retabroad | April 24, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Of course the racist repuke tea party morons want to enforce their Nazi, racist immigration laws. Fortunately, Obama knows these immigrants deserve better. They deserve visas for spouse/children and all their families who want to come to the U.S. Families shouldn't be separated. They also deserve U.S. government financial aid for college tuition. Stupid racist repukes won't admit these immigrants come to the U.S. willing to do the jobs that Americans do not want to do.

Posted by: exposethegreed | April 24, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

I live in AZ. We are close to the boarder. You live in WA, you have no issues with immigration. Have you ever seen someone shot in front of you? Kidnapped? It happens EVERY day here because of illegal immigration period! What part of Illegal Immigration do you not understand? Now we have to make it illegal to be illegal, mostly because of the lawyers! As the Gov stated if the government dem or GOP has failed we as states must act. We will take care of our own here. You can go figure out health care or something! Wait until you see what we do about carrying guns shortly. That will also be the best solution for us here in AZ as well as requiring not only our citizens to carry proper id but the people we vote for!

Posted by: azkmb | April 24, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

TO DO THE WORK THE FEDERAL TRAITORS WON'T DO!

Article IV, Section 4 of the Constitution REQUIRES the federal government to protect the states from invasion--it is not a "choice". The 1986 Amnesty Agreement provided that in return for amnesty for 3 MILLION illegal aliens, there would be strict border security, enforcement of strict immigration laws, and NO MORE AMNESTY. Instead, the traitors from the criminal racketeering political parties, the Republican'ts and the Deemocrats, including globalist sellouts Neeeeeew World Order GHW Bushamnesty, "I Hafta have NAFTA" Clinton, GW Bushamnesty and his shadow government the SPP, Ded Kennedy (defunding expert and the worst traitor in American history), undocumented KEEN-yahn worker Obamnesty, useful idiot RINO's Juan McAmnesty (now shamelessly running for reelection in Arizona) and his lap dog Miss Lindsey Grahamnesty, violated the Constitution, their oaths of office, and our laws and let 30+ MILLION illegal aliens (BUT NO TERRORISTS?!) invade and destroy our country and kill our citizens. Now these TREASONOUS RATS FROM HELL tell Arizona and the other states they cannot protect us either, despite the clear language of the Tenth Amendment! TYRANTS!!!

These SELLOUT RATS FROM HELL in the political parties should be tried for treason, thrown into jail with the terrorists and illegal alien felons they let into the country, and their names should forever be despised in American history.

Posted by: IowaPatN | April 24, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I live in AZ. We are close to the boarder. You live in WA, you have no issues with immigration. Have you ever seen someone shot in front of you? Kidnapped? It happens EVERY day here because of illegal immigration period! What part of Illegal Immigration do you not understand? Now we have to make it illegal to be illegal, mostly because of the lawyers! As the Gov stated if the government dem or GOP has failed we as states must act. We will take care of our own here. You can go figure out health care or something! Wait until you see what we do about carrying guns shortly. That will also be the best solution for us here in AZ as well as requiring not only our citizens to carry proper id but the people we vote for!

Posted by: azkmb | April 24, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Hey EJ, why don't you just look up the term ILLEGAL before you write your retraction for this so-called column!

Posted by: morphy | April 24, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

What this legislation clearly demonstrates is that Republicans are not serious about solving problems, but rather prefer pandering to their neanderthal base and playing political games. I didn't agree with Bush on much of anything, but on immigration reform he was actually pretty reasonable. So, the one policy on which he took a reasonable stand was severely rejected by his base. The right wing-always prone to over reaction, overkill, and hypocrisy. McCain also used to be reasonable on this issue, but once again has decided to throw his lot in with the right wing crazies.

Posted by: ggwalt | April 24, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

There is really only one solution: the US needs to unilaterally open its borders with Canada and Mexico and invite citizens of both countries to become citizens of the US by sworn declaration--at which time they would be made US citizens with all the rights, duties and privileges of US citizens.

Posted by: johnkwhite1 | April 24, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Let's hope that this lunacy will be a wake-up call for Democrats and Republicans alike so that they can come together on a centrist, sensible immigration reform bill before the November elections. If immigration reform is not passed before the midterm election, it will not happen before 2012 and probably not in the foreseeable future and meanwhile, more states will go down the same path as Arizona.

Posted by: mehuwss | April 24, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

This does not violate the 4th Amendment. The Supreme Court has upheld sobriety checkpoints. There is no rational reason to distinguish those from an immigration checkpoint. Just as the state's interest in reducing drunk driving outweighed any minor infringement,so too does the state's infinitely more compelling interest in reducing illegal immigration outweigh any minor burden from showing that you are here lawfully.

Posted by: Bill451 | April 24, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Here's the problem. With sobriety checkpoints they stop everyone on the road. Unless they do that in Arizona, they will single out Hispanics under the "reasonable suspicion" clause of the law. Remarkable the how the right, squealing about how socialist Obama is leading a Big Government charge, is willing to support "minor infringement" of rights when it's not going to apply to them. All legal Hispanic American citizens will now be practically required to carry documentation. lest they be picked up under "reasonable suspicion." The first time an American citizen is detained by this law I expect to see the Teaparty to be protesting in force, right? Oh, that's right, they're too busy protesting tax rates lower than in Reagan's terms to concern themselves with the rights of all Americans.

Posted by: minorthread | April 24, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

The Federal Government is anti the American people. Its our enemy.
They bring in immigrants in order to keep us unemployed and homeless. It's called NAIRU. Keep 6% or more of the population always out of work.
Think. The homeless appeared with Carter, who was handpicked by Rockefeller to dismantle the New Deal. Since President Carter the homeless in millions has been a ever present issue that we had NOT had since the early 30's.
http://www.chomsky.info/books/priorities01.htm
While most Trilaterals are Democrats, the Republicans are the enemies of the American people as much as the Democrats. They cooperate completly when in power with the Trilaterals. Carter appointed Paul Volcker to the Fed. Reagan kept him, then when Volcker retired replaced him with has alter ego, Alan Greenspan, also a Trilateralist. On the national level international bankers and corporatist interests rule us, not 'we the people'.
Maybe on the state or city level we can express ourselves. But it seems apparent that since August 1974 on the Federal level we are manipulated and controlled, our lives put at risk in nuclear confrontations and in wars, for international banking interests, not for us or the ideals our Banker Rulers threw away.
Only on a State or local level can the American PEOPLE express themselves. Yhats whats happening in Az. The Feds only respond to Corporations and big banks. We are not allowed to controll ourselves or our future-in interferes with THEIR plans for business.

Posted by: WilliamBlake | April 24, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Fourth Amendment: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

This law is a clear violation any way you look at it. State's rights do not trump the Constitution. This law is sure to be ruled un-Constitutional. There are other ways to reduce illegal immigration. Trampling the Bill of Rights certainly is not one of them.

Posted by: GeorgePuddy | April 24, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

A fact that those most steamed up about illegal immigrants are not willing to confront is that they have replaced blacks, jews and native Americans as the scapegoats for whatever frustrations they may be experiencing. Look in the mirror and tell yourself: what if I looked Hispanic?

Posted by: serban1 | April 24, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

The sieg heil bill is absolutely pathetic.

Who are the residents going to blame when their produce costs triple and local businesses start to fail because they have to pay Americans an actual living wage to do their work? Or when businesses begin to fail because sane Americans won't spend their tourism dollars in AZ, and businesses won't use AZ for company functions because of this ridiculous law and the potential abuses? Who will be blamed when the state is swamped with lawsuits? Who will they blame? My guess is that it won't be those standing most firmly behind this law.

This is a nothing but a knee-jerk reaction to a serious problem by the republicans - typical all bravado and no brains reaction. There are right ways to handle illegal immigration, and this isn't it.

Posted by: JilliB | April 24, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Of course all the tea party idiots think we should enforce racist immigration laws. However, remembering the US is a nation of immigrants, we must support legal immigration and increase the number of legal immigrants permitted to enter the U.S. each year. We must also contine to support blanket amnesty for all current illegal immigrants. Those entering the U.S. illegally should not be treated as criminals, they should be given benefits. Regardless of how they came to the U.S., all illegal immigrants deserve U.S. government financial aid for college tuition as well as visas for spouse/children to come to the U.S. Families shouldn't be separated under any circumstances. Stupid Repuke-iclans still don't understand that illegal immigrants come here to do the jobs that Americans do not want to do.

Believe that regardless of how they came to the U.S., illegal immigrants deserve:
- U.S. government financial aid for college tuition.
- visas for spouse/children to come to the U.S. Families shouldn't be separated.

Illegal immigrants do the jobs that Americans do not want to do.

Posted by: exposethegreed | April 24, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Unless you are an American of Native American descent then you are an illegal immigrant who came here uninvited, unwelcomed and unannounced in violation of moral and international law as a conquering imperial colonial terrorist. You should all pack and go back to where ever you came from.

Unless you are an Arizonan descended from the Mexicans and Spaniards who came to Arizona when it was first a Spanish colony and then part of Mexico you should go back to where ever you came from, as well since you are also an illegal immigrant who came as part of the spoils of war that America claimed after it's war of conquest the so called Mexican War. America came to these people by war and conquest. They did not come to America

And unless you are an American whose ancestors came to America without taking advantage of American immigration laws which establihed quotas, limited and discriminated against immigrants from Southern and Eastern Europe,Africa, Asia and Latin America then you are an illegal immigrant. You should go back home too.

Posted by: blackmamba1 | April 24, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

It is so easy for Mr. Dionne and others to criticize AZ and other border states for their stand on illegal immigration - they don't live with the problems every day. If the federal government were doing its job, then AZ would not have this law. We need the safety and security of our border states and their people, and illegal immigration is a major problem.

Come and live in a border city or town for 6 months or a year. If you are a rancher, you worry about getting shot and killed on your own ranch - that happened this month - or you worry about your wife and family being terrorized by illegals. Your children may or may not be safe when they leave the house - you may sit in an ER for hours while illegals are being treated - classrooms are overcrowded and your children do not get the education they need to succeed since teachers are overwhelmed with illegals' children who need more time and ESL classes - you or a member of your family may be a kidnap victim (Phoenix is SECOND IN THE WORLD in kidnappings - second only to Mexico City - does that tell you something? - you worry about the unlicensed and uninsured illegal driver since you have no recourse against him in case of an accident. More crime, more fear - and all because of the thousands of illegals who come across our border every month.

Yes, walk a mile in the shoes of the legal citizens of our country who live in AZ and in other border states before you criticize AZ for taking action against illegals - if the federal government refuses to protect its citizens then it is up to the states to do it.

Posted by: Utahreb | April 24, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Dionne writes: "The broad anti-immigrant bill passed by the Legislature this week makes it a crime to be in the country illegally......

No, wacko, it's ALREADY a crime to be in the country illegally! Thanks for your insights, though.

Posted by: alwyr | April 24, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

What is the cost of inaction?

What has been the cost of inaction for 30+years?

The cost has been california... literally and figuratively.

Posted by: docwhocuts | April 24, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

There is really only one solution: the US needs to unilaterally open its borders with Canada and Mexico and invite citizens of both countries to become citizens of the US by sworn declaration--at which time they would be made US citizens with all the rights, duties and privileges of US citizens.
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US citizens are currently aliens in Canada and Mexico with no rights, not allowed to work or own land or anything.

Will Canada make all Mexicans and Americans citizens too? Can we get medical treatment in Canada's socialised medical system? And will Mexico make all Canadians and Americans citizens, and let us vote? Or will they try to stop us from moving, working voting in their countries like they do in ours?

Posted by: WilliamBlake | April 24, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

States in the southwest bear the brunt of people crossing the border at will and taking up residence there. That means more children in public schools and demands on public welfare and taxes, always taxes to sustain their presence. Elitists like Dionne who are unaffected by the inflow are free to comment condescendingly on the "shameful" law that attempts to do something after years of inaction by the federal government. Liberals like Dionne want this same government to "fix" things they believe need fixing. Immigration is a federal job and the feds can't even do that right.

Posted by: mhr614 | April 24, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

All the government needs to do is arrest the CEO's of companies that hire illegal immigrants. Problem would be solved very quickly. Funny how that is not mentioned as a solution. It is easy to check for citizenship before you hire. Yet, we let big business off the hook, and go after people who just want to feed their families.

Posted by: doctoroe | April 24, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

So the democrats are against a law that protects US citizens? The democrats are for illegal immigrants, human smuggling, drop houses, kidnapping, drug running?

If the democrats fight this bill and push amnesty, they won't get 40 votes in November. With unemployment running near 10%, why are they pushing amnesty? The illegals will not pay income tax, will drain unemployment and social services.

I don't understand democrats. They are oblivious to the plight of the average US worker.

Posted by: Cornell1984 | April 24, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

States in the southwest bear the brunt of people crossing the border at will and taking up residence there. That means more children in public schools and demands on public welfare and taxes, always taxes to sustain their presence. Elitists like Dionne who are unaffected by the inflow are free to comment condescendingly on the "shameful" law that attempts to do something after years of inaction by the federal government. Liberals like Dionne want this same government to "fix" things they believe need fixing. Immigration is a federal job and the feds can't even do that right.

Posted by: mhr614 | April 24, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

What don't you folks understand about "Illegal"? Being in the country illegally is against the law. Period.

Posted by: tonyjm | April 24, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Twenty years ago, NPR "reported" that a cash-strapped federal government had agreed to sell Canada the state of Arizona. A great April Fool's story in the NPR tradition, of course - but would that have been such a bad thing?

Posted by: mattintx | April 24, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Arizona is a national joke. Hi racists! Hope you didn't like tourism dollars!

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | April 24, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

jserranoucla advises us (with pride, I might add) "I am an an undocumented immigrant, I am educated, my family pays taxes, I give to America more than I receive and I love people from all backgrounds. Moreover, God granted me life not to establish borders, but to help my fellow brothers in need.

jserranoucla - If you're an undocumented immigrant - PLEASE LEAVE

Posted by: alwyr | April 24, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I agree that going after employers is the way to go.
It's like going after dealers instead of junkies.
Here's a problem. It costs (just) $100 to buy false ID, green card, SS#, the works. So this law gives more power to the criminal suppliers of those documents.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0829/p1s4-ussc.html

Posted by: minorthread | April 24, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Sorry E.J. I usually agree with you, but not today. This law is overdue, and I hope California and Texas enact something similar right away.

Posted by: paul65 | April 24, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

What is so shameful about a state passing a law that enforces a Federal Law that says that anyone who enters the country illegally is a criminal?

Posted by: sandynh | April 24, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Eurpoean Caucasions invaded what some tribes called Turtle Island and forcibly took the land. Ironic that influential honkies in AZ want to minimize competition.

Posted by: TeresaBinstock | April 24, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Illegal immigration and big spending, social liberals have ruined California. The state is a basket case and will only get worse. May as well give it to Mexico.

We can still save the other 49 states if we act quickly. Enact Arizona law nationally and kick all big spending, social liberals out, ASAP.

Otherwise we may as well rename the USA.....Mexamerica and adopt Spanish as the national language.

Posted by: battleground51 | April 24, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

By the way, holy shiite Right Wingers are stupid. They seriously have no clue why this is a horrible law. That's why most belong to the Racist Teabag Moron Party of America. That's why they will never hold power again.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | April 24, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Obama himself is an illegal immigrant...also known as the Kook from Kenya.

But neither Bobble-Head Barack nore Dionne have ever been to Arizona.

How can Democrats be so devoted to the destruction of the United States?


Posted by: Jerzy | April 24, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Anyone opposed to the recently signed Az law that was passed by the people's representatives to crack down on people who illegally entered the state is so stupid that their voting rights should be revoked. Dione is a stupid man, but that's not surprising considering the newspaper for which he writes. La Raza is a racist organization which promotes the breaking of American law: !Abajo La Raza!

Posted by: deo49 | April 24, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

It's going to be hilarious once Anglos with tans start being pulled from their cars in Arizona. I can't wait to hear the hundred year old retirees scream then. rofl. Fuqing idiots.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | April 24, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

ARIZONA = RACIST

MINORITIES, PLEASE COME TO OUR SIDE. THE LEFT WILL NOT TREAT YOU LIKE SECOND-CLASS CITIZENS. IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WE DWELL IN THE 21ST CENTURY. WELCOME.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | April 24, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

This law will be repealed once the first legal immigrant sues after being harassed. I hope Arizonans like to spend their tax dollars paying off lawsuits rofl.

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Posted by: unpluggedboodah | April 24, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Isn't Arizona the last state to acknowledge Martin Luther King day as a holiday? Does Arizona have ANY people of color in their local government/law enforcement? Good grief, is this what you call taking back America. I have heard of driving while black but, driving while brown or light brown now? Damn Arizona get your act together! This reminds me of an eerie time in American history when freed slaves were required to carry their papers to prove they were free. In fact, carrying your papers didn't assure one of not still being harassed by white folks. In fact, you still ran the risk of being snatched/kidnapped if you ran into the wrong folks.

Arizona if this is what you call taking your country back, you can have it! I'm not setting one foot in your crazy a-- state. I'm not spending one dime or time in your scary state. Driving in your state means if I am latino,native American, light skinned African American (or dark skinned I betcha)I could be stopped. Can anbody tell me what looking light an illegal is suppose to mean. How do you interpret that as an law enforcement official in your mind?

There has got to be a better way to prevent illegal immigration in this country. I don't know maybe start taking a closer look at the businesses hiring illegal immigrants. Maybe transferring the troops we have at the borders of Iraq and Afghanistan to the borders of Arizona, California, etc. To my white American brothers and sisters who are posting ludicrous comments about "what took Arizona" so long to pass this type of legislature--you have no idea how it is to drive while being a person of colored. You need to cut that crap short and start talking to some folks who know a little bit about "lookin illegal".

Posted by: streetguru | April 24, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Our family has made plans to spend Christmas in Arizona in response to the passing of this bill. We haven't been back to Arizona in 3 years -- it was too dangerous.

Thank you Arizona. We will stay out of Phoenix where their anarchist mayor is coddling illegal immigrants. We will stay in Scottsdale and spend our money where they employ US citizens -- Black, White, and Hispanic US citizens.

There will be 25 of us going to Scottsdale. The Hilton says they have been getting reservations all day. People want to go back to Arizona, but they lawlessness was out of control. It is a wonderful place, and the best place for people with allergies.

Thanks Governor Brewer. The law abiding people of the US will be showing our gratitude.

Posted by: Cornell1984 | April 24, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Arizona and most of the South contain large amount of racist hillbillies. Fact.

Arizona is where racists go to shrivel up and die. Fact.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | April 24, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Its the end of all social unity.
Its impossible for the government to represent us. It can only rule by keeping the majority apathetic.

Posted by: WilliamBlake | April 24, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

libs=racists

the left will treat you like 4th class citizens, as they have for 60 years.

they will occasionally buy you off if you get a little "uppity", but you will remain slaves of the govt machine.

libs enacted Affirmative action, which is INHERENTLY RACIST

the DNC filibustered the civil rights amendment.... for weeks and weeks and weeks, and then finally with Byrd, personally, reading the yellow pages for 14 hours.

libs forced california to publish tax/licensing/property documents in spanish... keeping the incoming immigrant ignorant of the english language.

libs support the congressional black caucus, naacp, "negro colleges"... all sick RACIST entities.

seems, objectively speaking, libs are very very racist.

Posted by: docwhocuts | April 24, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Sitting comfortably in safety while writing this, Dionne reveals no perspective. He should show some empathy for his own countrymen. Send him to report on his fellow American citizens living on the borders and coping with raids on their homes and farms. Unable to afford to move away after decades in once safe and peaceful home,imagine what it is like in one's old age to live behind barred windows and fearful to walk out. Anyone crossing borders illegally would be tossed into jail in all countries except this one. It is shameful that fearful of offending, our leaders have allowed illegals to hold us at bay. What part of ILLEGAL alien is apparently so challenging ? I came over here 45 years ago from Britain and went through the 3rd degree with interviews, blood tests,and chest x-rays clutched with embarrassment in a large envelope during my flight and through customs,to my port of entry. There are thousands like me and frankly we are resentful of these people, sucking away at our medical,bringing disease with them. But not resentful of the thousands of Mexican LEGAL aliens who daily contribute to the welfare of this country with their hard work and good influence. That is a different story, and a good one.

Posted by: elizabeth6 | April 24, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I give it a year before the staggering number of LAWSUITS this unconstitutional law generates leaves the blue-haired racists in Arizona screaming for repeal. Rofl, Republicans really are stupid creatures.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | April 24, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

You are a racist Mr. Dionne: You are saying it is perfectly okay for Mexicans to illegally cross the border into the U.S. and be granted citizenship benefits but because of the Atlantic and Pacific ocean barriers, about 2 billion other people who would like to come here, can't because they can't swim that far.

If our government tolerates illegal immigration from Mexico, in fairness everyone should be granted admission and if the problem of transportation is an obstacle, we ought to lease boats and bring them here. Why is it okay for Mexicans to come here and not Nigerians or Ugandans?

Posted by: edfo | April 24, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Shameful?!?!

Have you seen:

What many (not all) Latinos do to once nice neighborhoods - trash everywhere, household & car junk out front, zero respect for property ownership?

How many mooch off Tax Payers?
Expect everyone here (including other immigrants) to learn Spanish?
And make dozens of excuses for not learning English?

My own ancestors worked long hours and learned English -- we fit in and respect the laws (primarily because we can read them without translation!).

We've imported poverty -- that's shameful!

Posted by: member8 | April 24, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

You are a racist Mr. Dionne: You are saying it is perfectly okay for Mexicans to illegally cross the border into the U.S. and be granted citizenship benefits but because of the Atlantic and Pacific ocean barriers, about 2 billion other people who would like to come here, can't because they can't swim that far.

If our government tolerates illegal immigration from Mexico, in fairness everyone should be granted admission and if the problem of transportation is an obstacle, we ought to lease boats and bring them here. Why is it okay for Mexicans to come here and not Nigerians or Ugandans?

Posted by: edfo | April 24, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Dionne is angree it means Dionne is wrong. AS usual. Please Liberals cleann your brains, understand that our country is in danger. But I forgot that this is your goal - to destroy America.

Posted by: golovskoy | April 24, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Waaah! Waaahhh! Arizona is so 'Racist'. I'm not going to move there! Let's boycott it like we did in 1992! didn't work then, won't work now. All it'll do is spark more interest in our state anyway.

If you love your precious Illegal's you can have them, since they're coming to your state very soon! And 70% of Arizonas don't care. Brewer asked for help from the Obamamination Adminstration numerous times with our borders and was met with silence each time. Of our Govt won't help the people then by the 10th amendment the STATE has every RIGHT to do what they need to do to protect their LEGAL citizens.

I have no problem showing my documents to a police office since I'm, you know, a legal US citizen.


Vaya con dios, muchachos!

Posted by: lancesackless | April 24, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Frau Brewer has certainly raised the bar for despicable political pandering to the Rabid Right. No doubt she's already got funds in the Arizona budget for barbed wire and guard towers. Where in the hell do people like her slither out of? Hopefully the DOJ will come down and whack her with that big shovel called THE U.S. CONSTITUTION - you know, the thing that the Bush Misadministration used as a doormat for the White House for eight years.

Posted by: Bushwhacked1 | April 24, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Why are not these people going South,not North.. to the socialist countries like Venezula,Boliva and Brazil now that its rizen its ugly head in South America..

Posted by: corebanks1940 | April 24, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

The Federal Government is suppose to adhere and follow Federal laws - it is against the law to be in the US illegaly....Obama and the loony leftist in the Democratic party refuse to do this, so Arizona has decided to do the Federal government's work. It is sad when the US President is more concerned about the rights of terrorists and illegals, than that of tax-paying, hard working LEGAAL US citizens. Thank God for the governor of Arizona, and you can be self assured that10 to 20 states will be enacting the Arizona-type immigration law within the next 7 to 10 days.

Let the loony left in the Democratic party cater to the illegal aliens, while the GOP, Tea Party Members and the independents take the necessary measures to protect America's borders.

Posted by: Realist20 | April 24, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Why is wanting to enforce existing law regarded as being extraordinarily bizarre?


Posted by: edbyronadams | April 24, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I wonder how many of these people have ever lived by the border? Then maybe I would respect their comments!!

Posted by: mct1 | April 24, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Where is the shameful obama administration?

What is he doing to protect our border?

The cost of his inaction is incalculable... overpopulated schools, overwhelmed medicaid, emergency rooms... DEAD RANCHERS murdered for protecting land they own....

Really, SHAME ON THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION FOR NOT HELPING AZ.

Posted by: docwhocuts | April 24, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I wonder how many of these people have ever lived by the border? Then maybe I would respect their comments!!

Posted by: mct1 | April 24, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

You have got it all wrong again, Dionne. These illegals have no "rights" at all. They are in the country illegally. Arizona has every right to protect its people from the crime there and they do not have an obligation to support these people or provide health care or schooling for them. Our own citizens do not have enough jobs and every cent should go to our own. They should all be deported. Those here legally should be proud to show their documentation.

Posted by: katie6 | April 24, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

So now what happens if individuals who LOOK like illegal aliens don't happen to have the right papers when searched by the Arizona Nazi SS? Put them on trains and send them immediately to the crematorium? It's so comforting to see how the far-right is handling this issue. Is this the first step in America's brand of ethnic cleansing?

Posted by: citizen4truth1 | April 24, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

The Federal Government has very few obligations due its citizens. The protection of its citizens from foreign invasion is one. They fail miserably. But let EJ and his ilk sit in the confines of NYC or DC and toss grenades. Shows them for what they are.

Posted by: devildogdon | April 24, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

"When the sentence for a crime is not quickly carried out, the hearts of the people are filled with schemes to do wrong." King Solomon, Ecclesiastes 8:11, the Bible.

To use your words, Mr. Dionne, I find it "Nothing short of astonishing" that you and your liberal friends would object when a responsible state FINALLY takes clear action to address an injustice that has existed far too long. On another note, I quoted the Bible---does that make me a religious extremist?

Another translation says: "Because the sentence against evil deeds is so long in coming, people in general think they can get by with murder." Thanks, Solomon, for a good dose of wisdom!

Posted by: john4omega | April 24, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

ILLEGAL "IMMIGRANTS" = BLOOD SUCKING BUMS
ILLEGAL "IMMIGRANTS" = THIRD WORLD STATUS
ILLEGAL "IMMIGRANTS" = SCUM OF THE EARTH
ILLEGAL "IMMIGRANTS" = DEMAND CARETAKING
ILLEGAL "IMMIGRANTS" = COST $BILLIONS

Posted by: vickie105 | April 24, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Why is wanting to enforce existing law regarded as being extraordinarily bizarre?
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More bizarre that he panders to ACORN...matter of fact he Panders to anyone that he will be able to get their votes...Spanish speaking..black,,,brown...lawbreakers....poor.....illiterates...He took CHevez's book and made a carbor copy..

Posted by: corebanks1940 | April 24, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Why is wanting to enforce existing law regarded as being extraordinarily bizarre?
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More bizarre that he panders to ACORN...matter of fact he Panders to anyone that he will be able to get their votes...Spanish speaking..black,,,brown...lawbreakers....poor.....illiterates...He took CHevez's book and made a carbon copy to use.

Posted by: corebanks1940 | April 24, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Dionne alludes to what may happen, I will tell you. A good part of AZ and it's police force are racist. If the over 5% of the police force is racist expect 1 in 20 searches done without probable cause. The lawsuits for illegal searches violating the 5th amendment will become common. Looking at Latino-American unemployment, they should find lawyers specializing in this to take up cases to cash out on this stupid idea. Without parameters (denied entrance to building/secure area, etc.) it will be up to the discretion of the officer, with the law failing to be properly enforced. I give the measure less than a year after millions in settlements.

Posted by: jameschirico | April 24, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

It's a good sign that American citizens are beginning to win the war against illegal immigration when do-gooders like E.J. Dionne and the Los Angeles Bishop (or is he a Cardinal...or child molester??) start pontificating about the unjust laws passed in our democracy. They start whining when the constitution or rule-of-law is enforced...because it interferes with their do-gooder views of the world. They want to do-good at everybody else's expense.

Posted by: 77316 | April 24, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, people of Arizona don't you dare take action. Sit around and wait for a Leftist D Bag like Dionne to resolve your situation!

Posted by: wewintheylose | April 24, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

It was not an executive order, Dionne, you propagandist. It was a law, passed by a majority of the Arizona legislature, which means the peopleof Arizona WANTED IT. Of course to you, and the special interest anarchists you drag up to quote, the people of Arizona, like the people all across America, are red-necked idiots. So since you don't like the people of Arizona, or of America, go live somewehere else. Yes, Dionne, the phrase is "our country - love it or leave it."

Posted by: chatard | April 24, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

How do you equate enforcing the law with Racism? You libs have cried wolf one time to many. The people of Arizona are right. This blight upon or society that is bankrupting us must stop. All Obama and the left see is another group of people they can enslave with government dependence and develop another permanent democratic voting block. They could care less about America.

Posted by: Pilot1 | April 24, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

The people have a natural, sovereign right to protect their lands from infiltration by illegal aliens, especially if the federal government won't do it. There should have been troops on the border twenty years ago.

Historically, countries invade other countries to acquire their lands and natural resources. To do that, they send troops over the border and if they are successful, settlers soon follow to settle the lands and govern them. The only difference in this situation is that the settlers have come without the need for troops to precede them. The southwestern US is losing it's sovereign right to enjoy life without the encroachment of foreign actors who do not in most cases even speak the language.

Arizona is doing something about it and I applaud them.

Posted by: theduke89 | April 24, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

what is wrong is this BS article that condones breaking the law as our President also seems to be doing congrats to Gov Brewer and the the AZ senate and House and the great citizens of AZ for all standing up for the rights of Americans in this country and all legal residents, hispanic or any other race

Posted by: jimmy_19462001 | April 24, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

If the White folks hadn' elected Obama President...Heaven knows what they would have been called...Every since after the election...That all they have been called..anytime they disagree with anything this man does...we're racist.....well...come to think about it...anytime we disagree with anything that some people are for...we're racist....so sick and tired of people using that that word everytime they don't get their way...

Posted by: corebanks1940 | April 24, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Dry up the jobs and watch the majority of the 30 million + illegals leave...better yet, end the automatic citizenship for babies born here to illegals, cut off the welfare, free schools, free health care, etc.etc....Mexico offers none of this to foreigners in their country?..Why should we?? Finish the _____ wall,bring back our troops from Korea, Japan, Europe and protect OUR borders!!

Posted by: nonewy3003 | April 24, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Illegal means illegal Dionne. If Obama your loyal Marxist leader has his way he will get the hispanic vote now and later when he completely redoes the government his way he will have them imprisoned like Chavez his buddy in Venezuela does. Then he can sing Frank's song "I did it my way."

Posted by: pechins | April 24, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Illegal means NOT LEGAL, AGAINST THE LAW ---- it doesnt mean RACE. Stop trying to stir the hate. Funny how you were so worried about us peaceful tea party folks..well now you will see how violent illegals can be...Get rid of them ..send them back...earn your stay here or LEAVE... Ask not what America can do for you..ask what YOU can do for America ? and do it LEGALLY.

Posted by: JUNGLEJIM123 | April 24, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I already have a tribal ID with Oneida. I can prove I am from here.

Posted by: virgin12 | April 24, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

There's nothing "shameful" in this bill at all. It's called "enforcing the law" and it's high time that something like this was done. More power to Arizona.

I have nothing at all against immigration as long as it's done legally. But I and many, many other Americans are sick and tired of paying to support people who sneak into this country illegally and then expect us to pay for their health care and education for their kids simply because supposedly "enlightened" liberals think we should.

Posted by: danram | April 24, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Amen,edfo.

We would be in better shape now if our leaders in the past had revealed the same concern and billions in cash to preserving our freedom,dignity,and the safety of our own borders, a concern clearly exhibited to foreign countries thousands of miles away. Countries which clearly resented our presence, and where the populace jeered in the streets when our boys and girls sent over to "protect" them, were slaughtered. There is nothing we can do about the mess but to put faith in leadership, which is shaky at best, and hope for the future of our children and grandchildren.

Posted by: elizabeth6 | April 24, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Like driver license, people could be expected to carry a 'residence registration' card with photo and showing the current address, birth place, date and nationality.

Posted by: ypcchiu | April 24, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Hurray for Arizona! The people has spoken!

Posted by: thorhero | April 24, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

The amazing thing here is that the defenders of the AZ law have not addressed the patently illegality of it as it goes squarely against the 4th Amendment. No mention of that anywhere. Instead, the comments here are all anti-Obama (please folks, Mr Bush did not solve this issue either), anti-Democrat (6 years with Republican congress and president did not solve it), or anti Dionne/liberal philosophy.

I agree that something should be done to stem illegal immigration. But it must be done within the confines of the constitution. I like the idea of bringing most of the military back from foreign stations and have them patrol the borders.

The ends do not justify the means. Which is why the police are forbidden to search someone for drugs, weapons, anything else without probable cause. The color of one's skin is not probable cause.

Lastly, the comments about "elitists" making opinions from far away holds no water. That was why the founding fathers set up a system of debate and minority (political) rights, so that tempers did not overwhelm logic and lawful adherence to the Constitution.

Posted by: GeorgePuddy | April 24, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is under pressure to beef up border security in the Southwest in the wake of Saturday's killing of a rancher in southeastern Arizona.

Three members of New Mexico's congressional delegation have asked for an increase in the Border Patrol's presence in the Boot Heel of New Mexico, about 10 miles from where the rancher was shot to death over the weekend. U.S. Sens. Jeff Bingaman and Tom Udall, along with Rep. Harry Teague, say Napolitano's agency needs to take more security steps.

And former Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo, an outspoken opponent of illegal immigration, called on Napolitano to "reject politics and do the right thing" by dispatching the National Guard to the Arizona border.

Cochise County Sheriff's Office deputies and detectives responded to an area northeast of Douglas on Saturday after searchers found the body of 58-year-old Robert Krentz inside his all terrain vehicle on his property. Detectives were able to determine that Krentz apparently came upon one person when he was fatally shot and his dog was wounded.

Cochise County investigators said Monday that Krentz likely was killed by an illegal immigrant, but there's no evidence to suggest there was any confrontation that led to the shooting.


Bingaman, Udall and Teague urged a forward operating station for the Border Patrol in the region. Such outposts put agents closer to the international border. Teague -- whose district includes the border area -- says a station in the Antelope Wells area would better protect people and property.

Tancredo, who attended a Tea Party event over the weekend in Arizona, blasted Napolitano for not doing more to secure the border.

“As governor of Arizona, Napolitano deployed the National Guard to help the Border Patrol do its job… Three days ago, Napolitano told an audience at Arizona State University that the border is more secure than ever," Tancredo said Sunday through his Rocky Mountain Foundation. "I challenge her -- no, I dare her -- to come to this community and try to sell that lie.”

Posted by: corebanks1940 | April 24, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I guess that once in a hundred articles I can agree with EJ. This is the one

Posted by: Steve851 | April 24, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

"Where do you live EJ? Let's bring a family of five illegal aliens to your home to support and feed you big blowhard."

Or better yet, let's bring in tons of billboards in Spanish, have chickens run around the neighborhood, and let's have a drunk illegal run a red light and kill a police officer. Upper-crust liberals like EJ have no clue about what's happening out there.

Posted by: bbface21 | April 24, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Really E.J.? The federal government would do nothing to stem the flow of illegals, so Arizina took it into its own hands. I wonder how liberal you would be if you were accosted by an illegal, and seriously injured. People like you would be the first to cry about the lax border control, and why hasn't Arizona done something about it. Don't fret E.J. Barry will give them all amnesty and that will stop the debate. Meantime, sit down.

Posted by: jemvbcarmagh06 | April 24, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

So every Mexican American in the state of Arizona now has to live in fear of being pulled over by the police for no reason other than their ethnicity. Any blond haired person can hop in the car to go to the grocery store with just a driver's license, but if someone who looks vaguely Hispanic does so, he or she can be rounded up and put in jail for not having the right papers. How is this not racist?

Posted by: bertram2 | April 24, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

The Navajo Indians have been fighting immigrants since 1492.

Its time to look for Reservation for the white folks in Arizona so they can feel save from immigrants

Posted by: Roism007 | April 24, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Yes! Everyone who wants to enforce immigration law is a racist, ignorant tea bagger!

Posted by: scott3 | April 24, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

The Navajo Indians have been fighting illegal immigrants since 1492.

Its time to look for Reservation for the white folks in Arizona so they can feel save from illegal immigrants

Posted by: Roism007 | April 24, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

About 51% of US citizens of mexican descent are for the law.

That goes a long long long way AGAINST THE RACE card being played today.

can mexicans be racist against mexicans?

Posted by: docwhocuts | April 24, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

When we needed them for our economy we gave them a de facto invitation to come and make their homes here. When things go a little sour we start yelling "illegal" (as though none of us break the law in more dangerous way, for instance speeding. I call that mean spirited and dishonest. In one word "reneging." Shame on you!

Posted by: johnnormansp | April 24, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Interesting- theduke89's comment could have been written almost verbatim by many an Arizonian in 1846 when American troops invaded and took away their own "sovereign right to enjoy life".

By the way, those of us who oppose this law doesn't mean we support illegal imigration. It just means we don't believe a law abiding citizen whose ancestors may have been in America longer than ours (1746, in my case) should have to endure being stopped and forced to show papers because of skin tone and accent. Forgive me Godwin, but this sounds very familiar.

Posted by: wgordon1 | April 24, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

In this day and age I always carry identification with me, whatever state I am in. If the police in Arizona want to see my passport, I will be happy to show it to them. This would not be happening if the Federal Government had ever truly controlled our borders. It is now a matter of national security, if California and Arizona are going bankrupt from their welfare states. And Mexico has done little to stop the crime, on their side or ours. All the police have to do is check everyone during a police stop (not a bad idea since a lot of illegals are not Spanish but Russian or Irish or German or Chinese and on and on).

Posted by: Georgetowner1 | April 24, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse


“As governor of Arizona, Napolitano deployed the National Guard to help the Border Patrol do its job… Three days ago, Napolitano told an audience at Arizona State University that the border is more secure than ever," Tancredo said Sunday through his Rocky Mountain Foundation. "I challenge her -- no, I dare her -- to come to this community and try to sell that lie.”

Cochise County Sheriff's Office deputies and detectives responded to an area northeast of Douglas on Saturday after searchers found the body of 58-year-old Robert Krentz inside his all terrain vehicle on his property. Detectives were able to determine that Krentz apparently came upon one person when he was fatally shot and his dog was wounded.

Posted by: corebanks1940 | April 24, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

"My wife is a legal permanent resident alien in the US, and I'm a native born US citizen. She has been living legally in the US for over 20 years, paying taxes, following all US procedures to obtain her status and maintain it. Because of Arizona's new law, she could be held in custody in Arizona if asked by police for her green card and she could not immediately produce it. "

Actually your wife is NOT FOLLOWING all US Procedures to obtain and maintain her legal status. The law requires her to have her green card in her possession at ALL times. Being briefly detained by the State of Arizona might be the LEAST of her worries for failing to follow this procedure.

Here is the applicable law:

"Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry
with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien
registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to
subsection (d). Any alien who fails to comply with the provisions of this
subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for
each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than
thirty days, or both."

If your wife simply follows the law, she won't have any problems in Arizona.

Posted by: jackbenimble | April 24, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight. It's a violation of our constitutional rights to require that everyone sign up for health insurance, but it's a-okay and peachy to require that everyone to carry "legal papers" at all times, especially if you don't look like a white caucasian. Hmmm. I'm sure that's exactly what our founding fathers had in mind as they drafted the constitution. Bend the document to whichever political wind direction that best suits you. Individual freedom and "get the government off my back" seems to make more sense if you are white and ignorant and when it works in your self interest. But, dammit, keep the government's hands off my Medicare and Social Security because I need that. This country is becoming a complete contradiction. We have lost our minds.

Posted by: citizen4truth1 | April 24, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"The broad anti-immigrant bill passed by the Legislature this week makes it a crime to be in the country illegally"

What idiot would make a comment like that? By definition, it is a crime to do anything illegal; you can't make it a crime to commit a crime. No wonder I don't read "The Republic."

Also, what's the big deal about racial profiling? If most illegal immigrants were Australian, wouldn't it make sense to be more vigilant about checking their immigration statuses. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I also understood illegal immigration to be a secondary offense, meaning that you couldn't charge someone with it unless another law had also been broken.

Posted by: mytwocents | April 24, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Keep on truckin'

NOT.

Truckers have decided to make no more deliveries to Arizona.

Truckers have decided to no longer drive through Arizona, nor carry goods to its merchants.

Any state as un-American as one which directs local law enforcement to execute an illegal stop, question, and detain because that person is not a pale face, does not deserve groceries.

Boycott Arizona.

Shut this state down.

Posted by: illegalappearance | April 24, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

"It will lead to lost economic-development opportunities, lost tourism and lost opportunities to expand our trade and commercial ties with Mexico.".....
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When they tell you it isn't about the money--it's about the money.

Posted by: slim2 | April 24, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Constitutional issues aside, have Arizona officials in their zeal to combat a problem really consider practical issues?
Do they have enough jails to house and feed the people arrested? Can their courts deal with the cases which will come up before them, in terms of time, prosecutors, and of course public defenders for those charged? If they send them back to the country of origim, does Arizona have the money to pay for transportation? As for not engaging in racial profiling, does this mean the police may now questions suspicious whites who might be illegals from East Europe, or blacks who might be from Africa, etc., etc. ad nauseum. Oh, yeah, bet they´ll do just that. I think Arizona has just increased its problem a thousandfold, but never expect rabid Republicans to think logically.

Posted by: Aquarius1 | April 24, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Two or so weeks ago two vehicles heading north on I-10 into Phoenix were stopped by police within an hour or two of each other. In both instances about eleven or twelve people scrambled out of those vehicles and ran through my AZ neighborhood trying to escape the police. This kind of event happens periodically throughout the year. Desperate people can do desperate things. Fortunately no one was hurt. Drop houses, where people entering without papers are held against their will until more money can be extracted from their family members, are another dangerous situation for AZ families, and drop houses are all over the Phoenix valley, though a decrease in numbers has occurred since the economy has tumbled.

Because of the slump in the US economy US Border Patrol agents along the AZ/Mexico border are decreasing in number. The drone along our border that monitored crossings other than at legal checkpoints is no longer operating to reduce costs to the federal government. Ranchers along the border are living in fear as the drug war in northern Mexico heats up and spills over into the US. One rancher was recently killed on his own US property. ICE has limited resources here, and when the state asks for help, the federal government tells the state there aren't enough people to assist and so suggests letting people go. Part of the US government's responsibility is protecting our international borders; their polices aren't working. This isn't just about Latinos coming over from Mexico. Trash found in the desert indicates that people from the Middle East and from Asia are also entering without papers along our southern border.

All things considered, I support the governor and the state legislature. This law is a conversation with our US Congress and our US Justice Department. If it is against our federal laws to enter this country without proper documentation and without permission, then how is it against the law for our state to hold illegal entrants who are breaking the law? This is not about racial profiling as many would have you believe. This is about obeying the law, and it is about the high costs that AZ is shouldering because of these illegal entrants that the federal government ought to be bearing during this economic downturn.

Posted by: bonniesmith | April 24, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Didn't our govt just force us to pay 1000s$ in perpetuity (that means year after year) for health insurance?

Heck, obama threw out the constitution a while ago.... how dare dionne suggest that old useless document is valid any longer (sarcasm).

Posted by: docwhocuts | April 24, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I love how non border state writers are so empathetic towards those who break the law so long as it's not in their state. If you feel so much passion for the law breakers, perhaps you will volunteer to take these illegals to your state. Another question, how many of you supposed adults leave the house without ID to go anywhere besides around your block walking your dog? I don;t think the cops will be rounding up dog walkers anytime soon so please, a drivers license will do.

Posted by: elcigaro1 | April 24, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

It is shameful that our federal gov't has not enforced the borders and that legal citizens' rights have been infringed upon as a result.
It is interesting that people who are outside of the border areas of Arizona are so judgmental.

Political or not, the word ILLEGAL has been disregarded for far too long.
If California's governor demanded the enforcement of the laws we wouldn't be in such bad shape now.

Good for you Arizona.
It's time that the civil rights of citizens are upheld.

Posted by: pjcafe | April 24, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Why are not these people going South,not North.. to the socialist countries like Venezula,Boliva and Brazil now that its rizen its ugly head in South America..

Posted by: corebanks1940 | April 24, 2010 10:37 AM
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Because of all the corporate signs (in Spanish of course) facing south along the border saying Help Wanted! High Pay! Apply Within, no questions asked!
Our State Department advertises you know to bring people here. They say for tourism. Coyotes actively recruit immigrants for illegal entry all over the world, certainly in Central and South America.

You probably don't know, in '73-'75 there was a wave of quiet political upheaval across North and South America, the old British Commonwealth, and Western Europe. Social Democrat governments across the board were replaced by governments favoring neoliberal economics.
It's my belief it was a general Trilateral inspired action. Kissinger, a Trilateralist, ran Operation Condor from 1973 to 1980.
Chili, Venezula, Boliva and Brazil have since overthrown the neoliberal governments imposed on them. We of course have not. Trilaterals rule us, since Rockefeller & Ford took over in 1974.
http://www.chomsky.info/books/priorities01.htm

And its not really a secret, and it was even done legally....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzSj1yNZdY8

Posted by: WilliamBlake | April 24, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

The best alternative to illegal immigration is to open our borders and allow most of those who want to immigrate to the US to do so. As "immigrants apply to come to the US they can be screened as they were 150 years ago. Let the "free enterprise" system control immigration. Charge those who want to immigrate to the US a fee equivalent to what they would have to pay to come to the US illegally.
Issue social security cards at the border and provide information about areas of the US which need workers. Build temporary housing which immigrants could use as they adjust to life in the US. The new immigrants would greatly stimulate our economy. Thousands of jobs would be created most of which would be filled by Americans already established in the country.
Immigrant levels would adjust based upon what new immigrants would find in the US. Those who couldn't find employment would probably return to their own countries.
This land we call America doesn't belong to those who call themselves Americans. It belongs to the people who live here regardless of where they came from.
Legal immigration would eliminate much of the crime associated with illegal immigration. If Americans really believe in "freedom" or the "free enterprise" system lets try a little freedom and see how it works.

Posted by: jimeglrd8 | April 24, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I want my hamburger flipped by a legal American citizen who pays the taxes that support the economy and the myriad of social services that we need to survive.

I want to be able to say, "Hold the mayo," without using pantomimes and a picture book until the manager comes over to hit some little register button.

We are no longer the wealthiest or strongest nation in the world. Our economy continues to crumble under the weight of an unsustainable moral obligation some feel toward the world's poor and disadvantaged.

Three American kids, one American wife, one American foreclosure, one American lost job, American savings gone, and 25 years of working my American tail off, paying American taxes and you think I care about asking an illegal immigrant to go back home by the same method they crawled into this country? Ha. Think again.

Posted by: Sooner1500 | April 24, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Anyone opposing this new law in Arizona and is pro illegal immigration is either receiving money or some benefit by having these people here. Everyone from the Catholic Church, politicians who see votes, lawyers who defend them, people who employ them and pay them unfairly are benefiting from people being here illegally and, therefore, don't want any laws enforced to remove them. We all know that we can't pick and choose laws to obey. And we shouldn't turn our backs while people continue to break the law. Illegal is illegal!

Posted by: shevalsheshe | April 24, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

desperate people do desperate things...people with darken souls do things void of the spirit ... the lack of conscious caring for others drives people to think of themselves only. We may look different because of our geography but we are all part of this thing that we call the human race. showing such blatant disrespect for the human condition and the plight of those who's only sin is that they wish to make a better life for themselves and their families is scandalous...

Posted by: sabrina2 | April 24, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Well, there will be a lot more shame going around before 2012, because Arizona is just the opening round in this battle to reclaim our country's sovereignty, regardless of what the self annoited legal and media peanut gallery has to say about it.

Posted by: hared | April 24, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Shameful Things:

1) The failure of multiple Presidents to execute the law regarding U.S. borders. This offense should result in impeachment.

2) A supposedly reputable writer discounting the actions of a sovereign state and a democratic process.

Posted by: hz9604 | April 24, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

MISS LINDSEY GRAHAMNESTY AND 500 MILLION BLACK AFRICANS!

I see that Juan McAmnesty, shamelessly running for reelection in Arizona, the state he has betrayed, is fronting his lap dog Miss Lindsey Grahamnesty to do his dirty work on the Obamnesty/McAmnesty attempt to force amnesty upon us again. The "leetle beegit" Grahamnesty, and the left wing media dopes like Dionne who use these RINO useful idiots, come screeching out of the trees every time a real American wants the Constitution and 1986 Amnesty Agreement obeyed, labeling such Americans "racist." I like Caucasians and Asians, so I like Mexicans, who are part Spaniard and part early Asian immigrant (so called "Indian" or "Native American"). What I don't like is people who violate our Constitution and our laws like the Clintons, Bushes, McAmnesty, and Obamnesty.

I have a proposal for "leetle beegit" Miss Lindsey to prove himself. I bet there are at least 500 MILLION black Africans who would love to come to the United States. Why don't you sponsor a bill to move all of them to South Carolina as their new home, all expenses paid by the state of South Carolina and its taxpayers? DO IT, UNLESS YOU ARE A RACIST, LEETLE BEEGIT!!!

Posted by: IowaPatN | April 24, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Hey Dionne, put your money where your Obama sycophant mouthpiece is. Go live on the Arizona border for a couple months, then report back to us. (assuming you survive, of course)

Posted by: wewintheylose | April 24, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe in racial profiling. Period. I am grateful the US has welcomed people of diverse cultures and beliefs. Current estimates indicate there are 460,000 people in AZ alone without legal permission. Schools are spending already limited funds simply to teach English to students. The federal government has done nothing to engorce its own laws regarding illegal immigration. If this ridiculous law makes politicians realize something needs to be done besides playing the 'blame game' then maybe it will have served its purpose.

Posted by: jcrrt | April 24, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey EJ,

Your usual claptrap. The Arizona copies word for word much of it's language from federal law. It isn't up to moronic Washington pundits to decide this, it is up to the people of Arizona. 70% of them support this law. Maybe the golfer in Chief can fix this!

Posted by: JackReacher | April 24, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I didn't drink the tea. Boycott AZ

Posted by: tkdet | April 24, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I truly applaud Arizona... TRULY!!! I can only hope Alabama will follow their lead!!!!!!!

Posted by: daboov | April 24, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The best alternative to illegal immigration is to open our borders and allow most of those who want to immigrate to the US to do so. As "immigrants apply to come to the US they can be screened as they were 150 years ago. Let the "free enterprise" system control immigration.

Typical Libertarian pie in the sky nonsense. There are 4 billion people on earth poorer than the average Mexican and the vast majority of them would try to come. Even if there were not jobs, they would still come because being poor in America is better than being poor in the 3rd world because of our generous welfare system. Of course most Libertarians would eliminate the welfare state. I can go along with that, but how long would it last before a billion of your new citizens voted themselves a heaping serving of socialism at our expense. The Libetarian open borders position is economic and political nonsense because it treats all the new entrants simply as units of economic consumption and production and IGNORES the fact that they are poor, ignorant and pre-disposed to vote for socialism and free-stuff.

Posted by: jackbenimble | April 24, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

to all you hate-FILLED, SELF-righteous, DIMocRATS, LIBs and/or "progressives",

since i CANNOT (according to Reverend Jesse Jackson & Reverend Al Sharpton, as i'm NOT "a white person",) BE a racist nor can i be legitimately tagged as a "racist", a "bigot" (or any of the other "names" that LEFTISTS call anyone, who disagrees with their PREJUDICES), i CAN say that you so-called LIBERALS/"progressives" all are either brain-DEAD, stupid, terminally ignorant and/or LYING, when you say that people, who want our immigration LAWS enforced, are "racists".

FYI, the "playing of the race card" and/or calling people "NAZIS" means that:
1. you have NO legitimate argument to make
OR
2. you are too ignorant of FACTS to make such an argument
OR
3. you are too DUMB to make a convincing argument
AND
4. you, therefore, have LOST the argument, before it started.

face it DIMocRATS/LIBs, hardly ANYBODY CARES what/IF you think, anymore. furthermore, by November, we Tea Party members will have convinced the majority of voters that you are INCAPABLE of "running a hot dog stand" successfully, much less the US government.
(at our current "growth rate", about 3-4% per week, we will soon be larger than the DIMocRATS & GOP, combined.)

after the election in November, the DIMocRATS will have LOST, by a landslide, BOTH houses of Congress & the DIMs/BHO will be irrelevant.
(in November of 2012, BHO will also lose his job, along with even more of the DIMocRATS.)

also, your calling of anybody a "racist" would be LAUGHABLE (if it wasn't so STUPID!), as long as you have within the DIMocRATS Party a current NATIONAL OFFICER of the KU KLUX KLAN, as a sitting US Senator.
Robert "KKK" Byrd (DIMocRAT of WV) is a "life-member" and the current "GRAND CYCLOPS", according to the "roster of members-in-goodstanding" of "The Invisible Empire of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan".

TOLERATING a filthy,stinking, KLANSMAN in your party is as EVIL as BEING one! ====> DIMocRATS, thy name is HYPOCRITE!

LAUGHING AT YOU!

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 24, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure that somewhere in the old files of the East German Stasi there are tips that can help the goose-stepping Arizonans implement this law.

Posted by: acboatman | April 24, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse


What is shameful is the federal government's failure to secure our borders and protect the citizens of this country against illegal immigration.

Posted by: JCM-51 | April 24, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Why is it most of the time people who are breaking the law do not want to show IDs.

Posted by: Warthog104 | April 24, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

This law is an unconstitutional abomination, and the hateful comments in response to this column are pretty horrifying. Where did your families come from before they came to this country? I'm pretty sure not all of you can claim to be descendants of Miles Standish and John Winthrop. My grandfather was born and raised in Liverpool and came to the United States when he was in his 20s on a British merchant ship that docked in New Orleans. He walked off the boat, decided he liked it here, and decided to stay. He lived in the U.S. illegally for several years. He got married and started a family. He worked hard at several jobs, including in factories building munitions and equipment for our soldiers fighting in WWII. Because he worked for the war effort, the U.S. government granted him amnesty and he became a citizen. He was also a white Anglo Saxon Protestant. I'm pretty sure if he were living illegally in the state of Arizona today, there is no way he would be stopped under this awful new law. Yet he was breaking the law too. This law is just an excuse for racial profiling and intimidation, pure and simple.

Posted by: mcdougall1 | April 24, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Liberal Logic: It's racist to enforce a law if the person you're enforcing the law against is a different race than you. Who's the racist here? If Liberals really cared about unnecessary intrusions into our personal lives they would have opposed Health Care. Illegal immigration is a serious problem in the border states. But I guess making that observation makes me a racist. Well if I've been tarred with the brush I may as well act the part and demand your papers. Papers please!

Posted by: NOLA_Mike | April 24, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

acboatman,

just out of curiousity, are you REALLY clue-LESS enough to believe the ignorant NONSENSE that you just posted, above?

IF you are that brain-DEAD, i PITY you.

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 24, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

FrankTrades wrote:

HURRRRRAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THANK GOD FOR THE CONSTITUTION AND STATES RIGHTS!


This is a vivid illustration of the absurdity of the tea party types who love to trot out their "respect for the Constitution."

Frank--are you aware of the genesis of the Constitution, and why it supplanted the Articles of Confederation? It was precisely because experience had shown that a confederacy of sovereign states (read: "states rights") did not work. The Founding Fathers realized that there was a need for a unified federal government whose authority superseded the authority of the state governments.

Reach in your jacket pocket, and pull out that copy of the Constitution that you keep there. Read the preamble--the spelling out of the reasons for establishing the Constitution.

The very first of the six reasons is "in order to form a more perfect union..." There is nothing in the preamble to the Constitution about protecting states' rights.

There is, however, something about establishing justice. (NOTE: that's "establish"--not "protect" or "preserve.") Maybe you ought to dust off your copy of Plato's Republic, and do a little refresher course on what the meaning of "justice" is.

Naah, that's too much intellectual work. Why don't you just roll up your copy of the Constitution and start flogging brown-skinned people with it?

Posted by: ashevilleshep | April 24, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

If you have nothing to hide, you hide nothing. Show an ID and be on your way...wow, such a violation of civil rights. Get a grip, enter our country legally and apply for citizenship (oh yea, that's the law dem libs and Republicans put in place) and you have nothing to fear. Enter illegally and guess what, that's against our laws. If you have nothing to hide, you hide nothing....how 'bout the missing birth certificate....guess there's something to hide...enjoy the new law...way to go Governor!

Posted by: powerange | April 24, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

As an officer in a state neighboring AZ, I think I would enforce this law by checking police records and identifying immigration status through arrest reports. Then recontact individuals and check to see if there are changes in status. Seems a reasonable start....

From there, persons lacking a driver's license and the ability to speak english could be asked about their immigration status. It has been my experience that most will tell you they are undocumented, and documented immigrants have been proud to show their documents.

Officer's and agencies using "gestapo" tactics can be dealt with as the need arises. There are measures to deal with these types of problems.

My guess is that responsible officers are concerned about the civil liabilty they face enforcing this. Cops know there are probably dozens of lawyers already waiting for the chance to sue some cop and his deep-pocket agency for a civil rights violation.

I am glad Arizona has taking this route. This is an extreme problem in western states and is rapidly draining economies on a large scale.

Politicians have long procrastinated about this issue and it has become out of control. Maybe(hopefully) securing the border will be next. In my opinion that should have been first. Thats a hint Washington.......

That being said, I have photocopied my birth certificate and folded it into my wallet next to my driver's license- I'm good to go if asked.

By the way, stop acting as if you know this problem intimately if you have never lived out west to experience it first hand daily. Yep this means you too BHO

Posted by: howieiii | April 24, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Given what I hear from people actually living in Arizona, this law is a good thing. The children in school are suffering because of all of the children of illegal immigrants: half the school day is spent on "individual reading" because about a quarter to a third of the class needs to be removed for remedial English (since they cannot speak, write, or read English). This sets back the overall education for the children of legal residents. That's just the educational implications of rampant illegal immigration. Everyone knows that Phoenix is now the kidnap capital of the USA because of mexican drug cartel activity. Add to that the loads of petty crime perpatrated by illegal immigrants, and the situation turns into a nightmare! Those wide-eyed,whiny liberals who don't live there should simply move there for a year. They would return agreeing with the majority in AZ.

Posted by: bartolut21 | April 24, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Gee, E.J., the only thing "shameful" is the fact that you still have a job.
The feds have de facto abdicated their responsibilities in securing the border and containing illegal immigration. The people of Arizona have a right to expect that their government and law enforcement community take up the cause. Spending for healthcare & public education will be reigned in, and crime will be reduced. That's what an effective government does for its CITIZENS.
Btw, over 70% of Arizonans approve the law, including 51% of those self-identifying as Democrats.

Posted by: OttoDog | April 24, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Judging by the horrible grammar and spelling in a particular subset of the comments, it's pretty clear that right wing teabaggers really are as stupid as we've believed all along.

Posted by: member5 | April 24, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

The closest thing to a valid objection to this law is that it’s discriminatory, because it employs profiling.

That’s fine with me. It just applies statistical probability to real-life practical situations. But it is a good thing for our society to be—and to be seen--as color-blind.

So here’s how to achieve it: deploy a universal biometric ID database. This is doable today, & other rich countries are starting to implement one. It doesn’t even require a card you’d have to keep on you.

For example, Fujitsu has been selling palm readers for years. We all have a unique pattern of veins in our palms. This reads it. You can’t fake it, you can’t alter it, & you can’t erase it (short of cutting off your hand).

So—we implement universal biometric ID. Then, whenever you interact with a government agency—cops, hospital, school, whatever—or an employer—you just hold your hand over a reader for a second. If you’re in this country legitimately, cool. If you aren’t but need emergency medical help, we’ll help—then deport you. If you have legal American children, you can choose to take them with you or send them into the foster care system. Your choice.

After someone’s deported, make illegal re-entry a felony.

The readers are small & easy to link to the database using wifi, so every cop car can have one.

www.blogzu.blogspot.com

Posted by: ehkzu | April 24, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Judging by the simpleton-like insults coming from the left wingers, who otherwise can't refute points made in support of a tough anti-immigration law, it's fair to say that they can continue waiting our tables.

Posted by: bartolut21 | April 24, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

In response to TrueObserver-

After 20+ years in the US, my wife has not become a citizen because US law does not require it and she still has an affinity to the country where she was raised and grew up. I think most can relate because we feel the same was about our native US. If she made the decision to become a US citizen, which she has the right to do, I'd support her completely, but I'm not going to try to force her to give up her birth citizenship.

And, ready for a shocker, our kids are dual citizens, which the US also permits.

That's probably next on the AZ chopping block.

Funny that according to Canadian law she doesnt have to. From the web page of Citizenship and Immigration Canada:

Frequently asked questions:
Applying for citizenship
Becoming a citizen
What is dual citizenship?
Every country decides who it considers to be a citizen. Dual citizenship is when you are recognized as a citizen by more than one country.

You do not apply for dual citizenship and there is no certificate.

Since February 15, 1977, Canadians have been allowed to take foreign citizenship while keeping their Canadian citizenship.

If you are a Canadian citizen who became a citizen of another country before that date, you should contact the Call Centre for more information. If you are outside Canada, contact the nearest Canadian embassy, high commission or consulate for more information.

If you are a permanent resident but not a Canadian citizen, you should check with the embassy of your country of citizenship to find out about their rules before applying for Canadian citizenship.

For more information about dual citizenship, see the brochure Dual Citizenship.

So, once again, why has she not taken U.S. Citizenship since there is nothing according to Canadian law that would force her to give up her birth citizenship.

Posted by: msmith440068 | April 24, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Make it mandatory on all traffic stops. License. Registration. Citizenship papers. For everyone. Done and done. You folks wouldn't mind getting in the database at every traffic stop, would you?

Posted by: steveboyington | April 24, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse


bartolut21 said:
"Judging by the simpleton-like insults coming from the left wingers - "

It's simple. They favor supporting mexican illegals over supporting the law and what's right. This because the law cannot be enforced without identifying those breaking it.
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Posted by: Billw3 | April 24, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

These left wingers can only insult. Member5, how apropos. Orwellian name. Nameless citizen of the land of the Golfer in Chief. The Dear Leader is on vacation again. Too bad. What is the messiah going to do to fix this? Besides making all illegals citizens and spending trillions on their benefits.

Posted by: JackReacher | April 24, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey, this law forces Arizona cops to go way beyond arresting folks for 'driving while black.' It criminalizes 'breathing while brown.'

Posted by: chuck8 | April 24, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I am of mixed race. If i was pulled over in AZ and had to produce my driver's license (from out of state) i would do it gladly.

Posted by: JackReacher | April 24, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who opposes this Arizona law should be forced to stand on the border and protect Arizona citizens. It takes a really stupid person not to understand the frustration of Arizona's LEGAL residents. And I'm sick and tired of this PC nonsense about PROFILING! Nobody's profiling if all of the illegals are MEXICAN!!! Stupid, supid liberals. You're going to get us all killed because of your stupidity.

Posted by: georges2 | April 24, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Instead of calling people names and speaking in extremes, I have only one question: How can you tell an illegal immigrant from one here legally? Answer: you cant. And I think that is the issue with this bill. Unless you are capable of understanding everything from someones appearance then this creates a platform for finding it out. ie Racial profiling. Trust me on this - I wouldnt like someone to stop me and make me prove I am a US citizen because I am white. Fairness of the law means that it should apply to everyone, not just a selected class.

Do I think that being here illegally is an issue? yes. But this is not the way to find out who is and who isnt. Unless you wish to be stopped because you are white, black, asian, hispanic, indian....and prove to me that you are suppose to be here then a better way need to be found.

Please note that at no time have I expressed my political interest. And if you can find that out by my writing then can you tell me which graduate school is going to accept me?

Posted by: reed6801 | April 24, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse


Hey you left wing Jabos... There's nothing to fear if your ID is checked and you have nothing to hide. Consider it part of your duty to help support the law. OK?
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Posted by: Billw3 | April 24, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

This is how fascism started in Europe--with paper checks.

Arizona is reeling from the housing crisis and the Republicans who have run that state into the ground need an election year scapegoat, and they have chosen brown people.

Arizona Republicans are becoming more extreme and more lawless because normal, moderate, middle class people are moving out. What you have left is a large redneck population and leaders of very low intellect. Governor Jan Brewer lists as her alma mater Glendale Community College, so it is unlikely that she knows anything about the constititution.

Sheriff Joe Arapaio has been lawless for years and both the Bush and Obama Adminsitrations have looked the other way. This just legalizes what Joe has already been doing--throwing Americans citizens with brown skin in prison under the guise of stopping illegal immigration.

This law will sink Arizona's economy further because nobody wants to do business in a police state. People will cancel conventions and cancel vacations.

Posted by: sunnyday1 | April 24, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I thought the Tea Party Conservatives were all about "upholding the Co;nstitution" If so they should be outraged by this law. You see saying you are defending the Constitution means you should know what the Constitution says..

Amendment 14: "...No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws..."

Unless a police officer is going to demand evidence from EVERYONE, not just those "suspected" of being an illegal immigrant..." that they are here legally the law is UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Equal protection means you treat EVERYONE equally before the law, not just those that may "look" to be here illegally. You might not like this fact but that is what the Constitution says. So if you want to demand adherence to the Constitution you must be against this law

IN other words.... the Tea Party is a bunch of HYPOCRITS!!!!

Posted by: smith6 | April 24, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Answer one question for me. Why isn't the federal govt. upholding the law? Like so many other laws, the nitwits pass them and never uphold them.

Bob P

Posted by: landrperite | April 24, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse


To reed6801
A wise person generally considers the why more that the what of things. The why is to enforce the law, not to racially profile. In this case, being mexican simply categorizes those who must be checked to enforce the law.
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Posted by: Billw3 | April 24, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"This is how fascism started in Europe--with paper checks."
Posted by: sunnyday1

Wrong. "Paper checks" have taken place ever since there were "papers' to check. In Russia, in Germany, in Great Britain, and at every traffic stop in every state of the U.S.
Try living overseas, where you're expected to have your visa'd passport or a laminated copy of it with you at all times. In EVERY other country. Unless the whole world's suddenly become "fascist", you're clueless clown who's "Godwinned" himself out of having a valid point.

Posted by: OttoDog | April 24, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

After 20+ years in the US, my wife has not become a citizen because US law does not require it and she still has an affinity to the country where she was raised and grew up.

Which is fine. But US law, as I posted verbatim above, does require her to carry her Green Card AT ALL TIMES!. As long as she complies with the laws and has her green card with her at all times she has nothing to worry about in Arizona.

Posted by: jackbenimble | April 24, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Seems like a very reasonable law to me. We should never apologize for enforcing immigration laws, and protecting those who live in the USA legally. I've lived in many countries over my life time -- ALWAYS LEGALLY -- and respected the fact that the host country can enforce their laws and challenge my presence in their county at any time. I always carried the necessary documentation to show I was legally in their country. This is not an affront to anyone living legally in this country, and to suggest otherwise is disingenuous. Arizona has taken a bold step to curving an out of control situation.

Posted by: darrylcarson | April 24, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

So Ottodog are you in favor of check points throughout the country to make sure people are here legally? It sounds like you are because "other countries do it?" and it would be the best way to ensure people are here legally.

Posted by: smith6 | April 24, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Dionne,

The only thing shameful about this law is that it does not go into effect for 90 days. It should have become effective today.

Posted by: nychap44 | April 24, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

So nice that so many americans stick up for the rights of criminals, even the criminals from other countries, before they stick up for the rights of law abiding USA citizens.
Please come to AZ and live where kidnapping is #1! (Usually involving the mexican drug cartel) Please come where the mexican drug cartel comes onto US soil, freely, illegally, to plant and harvest their drugs, and to sell it. And to murder for it.
Please come here and be one of thousands involved in accidents caused by the crimal illegals so that you, yourself, will have to pay for your car repairs/replacements and doctor bills.
Please come here and scrape by making a living. Because you, as a US citizen, will have to carry, for one thing, high cost car insurance, while the illegals don't have to.
Please come and live where the house next door could quite possibly be a house full of illegals; a drop-house.
Please come and live where farmers are murdered by illegals crossing over.
Please come and live where guns are sold illegally every day to mexican citizens.
The US government has a duty of protecting it's US citizens and I am damned tired of protecting illegals! They are criminals - let them go to jail!

Posted by: sundevil1 | April 24, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Isn't a shame Mr. Dionne doesn't like this bill. It doesn't matter to him that 70% of the taxpaying, legal citizens of AZ do. In Mr. Dionne's liberal/socialist world, majority rule does not matter. Only the opinions of the left wing intelligentsia matter. Limousine liberals and media snobs like Dionne, who most likely have never been to the AZ border, know what's best for the rest of us. Thanks so much, Mr. Dionne for setting us the rest of us straight.

Posted by: rjr1 | April 24, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

You right-wing nuts are so bigoted and hateful it's beyond words.

How do you spell Republican? R A C I S T.

Posted by: ethereal_reality | April 24, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I say get rid of every illegal in the country. There are maybe 12 million+ of those. So we deputize maybe a million or so out-of-work Americans (all documented of course), spend a few billion training and arming them, and set them loose. Anybody who can't produce papers gets immediately hauled into a detention camp...how many acres does it take to build tents and/or huts for 12 million? Then you have to set up a process for getting them out, who cares where they go? Of course, every country from which they came will be more than glad to absorb all those homeless, paperless, people, with their aged parents and squalling kids...squalling mostly in Spanish no less! Of course, until you can get rid of them, you have to feed them and doctor them (or do you?). How much does that cost? And those of them who pay taxes (which many do, by deductions mostly) will stop doing that too. Just what we need now, less revenue to run our schools, Police departments, Army, Navy, Marines, etc.

And while we are devoting so many resources to getting rid of the illegals we have behind barbed wire, how many more will come in the now less well protected actual borders?

But let's put all that aside. Now we have jobs for all those Americans who are so avid to pick fruit, collect garbage, dig ditches, watch our children, help police by reporting on drug traffickers, and so on.

It's easy to puff and blow and get righteous about a real problem. But to come up with a solution possible in the real world without creating a dozen other problems, that's not so easy, is it?

Of course, we could always just shoot them, or get Tom Delay (who began his career as an exterminator) to set up gas chambers (much more efficient, or so th Nazis claimed).

Posted by: jprfrog | April 24, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Ciudad Juarez, a city of 1.3 million across from El Paso, Texas, is one of the world's deadliest cities, and a two-year turf battle between drug cartels has left more than 5,000 people dead.

Posted by: nychap44 | April 24, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Being against this law does not mean you are for illegal immigration. Being against this law means you understand that there is a thing called the Constitution that forbades such laws to be enacted.

The best way to stop all crime would be to allow the police to search anyone, any place at anytime no questions asked. If such authority existed crime in this country would reduce to almost nothing. And if you had "nothing to hide" you shouldn't care if the police or other governmental authority searched you or your home at anytime if they wanted to. However, the 4th Amendment does not allow this to happen. I understand there is a serious problem regarding illegal immigration in this country and those here illegally should not be here. But why should the problem of illegal immigration mean we should tear up the Constitution. Another solution has to be found. What is the solution. I don't exactly know, if I did I would be a millionaire. But I do know that as soon as we decide that the Constitution is not convenient for solving problems we will have much greater problems on our hands.

Posted by: smith6 | April 24, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Thankfully, fifty state governments can determine the legal needs of fifty sets of citizens. You in DC do not live down here. If you did, you might realize horrific crimes are committed by illegal aliens and that laws are, as must happen, being passed to address this problem. The notion that law enforcement of a State cannot be empowered by law to enforce a federal law is risible; an illegal alien is a criminal eo ipso.

Posted by: Martial | April 24, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

we are in a downward spiral, a long way from a Great Nation. The only good news is the repuglican party has lost the Hispanic vote...

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | April 24, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

The shameful part of all of this is the inability of the federal governments of Mexico and the US to be efficient in policing the southern US border. AZ will do what it must to protect its citizens, and I support the bill and the governor.

Posted by: bonniesmith | April 24, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

ethereal_reality,

your village called. they want their IDIOT back.

also, i'll ask you the same question that i asked the other DIMocRAT, DUMB-bunny: "Are you REALLY ignorant/clue-LESS enough to believe the NONSENSE, that you posted on this forum or are you just being a DUNCE?"

as it APPLIES to EVERYONE, who is "stopped by law enforcement", it CANNOT BE & IS NOT "racist" and/or "discrimanatory".

IF you don't want your "papers checked", do NOT break the traffic LAWS and/or do NOT beak other laws, that make you "subject to arrest"!

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 24, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Thank God for Arizona! They are acting because the federal government has failed to act for the past 25 years.

And what idiots like Dionne don't realize is that there is a big difference between legal aliens and ILLEGAL aliens.

The lame argument from the left wing is that this country was founded on immigration . . . EXACTLY! LEGAL IMMIGRATION!!!

Posted by: xcannons | April 24, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

One more item. If you like this editorial, or any other on line feature, do not simply let the ads carom off your consciousness. Take two seconds to click one. That will make Mr. Dionne and the paper much happier, no matter how much he may disagree with your opinion. It also keeps the online paper free.

Just clicked three. Did not cost me a dime.

Posted by: Martial | April 24, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: ethereal_reality:
"You right-wing nuts are so bigoted and hateful it's beyond words. How do you spell Republican? R A C I S T."

Name-calling, the race card, and an insult. No wonder we have opposition to enforcing the law and protecting Americans from criminals from another country. Two sides to having equal rights.
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Posted by: Billw3 | April 24, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

The author of this monstrosity of a bill is a Nazi supporter who "mistakenly" sent out National Socialist recruitment literature to constituents in his district. He's still apologizing for his staff's "mistake". These troglodytes can't see the forest for the trees. This bill will be struck down by the court before ever being implemented, but the number of and complete stupidity demonstrated by the morons writing in support of this obviously unconstitutional bill should scare the bejezzus out of all sane persons left in America. These estupidos are ready to give up our hard won civil liberties on some Nazi supporters wet dream? Woah there folks, you might want to question where creeps like Russel Pearce and that court marshaled and cashiered associate of his, JT Ready, actually want to take our country. America fought the second world war to defend liberty and justice for all against monsters just like these two!

Posted by: trbajaz | April 24, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

The East rarely hears about the long-running freak show of Southwest politics, although some of the older of us easily recall former Sen. Goldwater and his threats to wage nuclear war. Arizona's two serving Senators, Kyl and McCain, recently called for the National Guard to patrol the Mexican border [Jonathan J. Cooper, Associated Press, available from the Post at www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/19/AR2010041904409.html].

The National Guard we now have won't do any good. The entire U.S. military might do the job, but we would be spending several times the profits from smuggling of all kinds. Of course there would be limitless opportunities to corrupt the system, so we would need immense spending on controls. Soon most of the federal government except Social Security and health care would be devoted to border patrol.

That's the vision Arizona Sens. McCain and Kyl have for us, along with some of the now-familiar Tea Party crazies and a variety of local gun nuts and other fanatics. The entire United States as a permanent outpost in its own country. Only in Arizona.

Posted by: AppDev | April 24, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Reply to post by smith6:
What do you mean you do not know what to do about it? What comes to your mind? Don't you think that if the Mexican Government really wanted to stop the invasion they could? You bet your life...with mucho force!
IF they would do that, and the invasion would stop there would be no need to check anyone in the Southwest states. Ask yourself why is the Mexican Government doing nothing but an operetta show with token police and army for our consumption and then threaten us with diplomatic issues?. Could our Government be at fault too...you bet! Think!

Posted by: HarGru | April 24, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

What shocks me over and over again is that the same people who were behind flushing billions of dollars down the toilet to fund the Iraq war are somehow always the ones who moan and groan about stateside gov't spending. Of course, that's what you want everyone to THINK you're moaning and groaning against--in reality, you just don't value an illegal immigrant's right to life as much as you do an American citizen's. That's what I call racist, and despicable, especially given the fact that many illegals, if not most, are unofficially here for reasons of political asylum.

Posted by: gmcfar | April 24, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!
I WANT MY FREEDOM BACK!

Where are the 'Tea-Party' people who say they are fighting for feedom and liberty?

I have LOST the right of 'presumed innocent.'

I have LOST the freedom to drive freely in AZ.

I am a truck driver. I have been stopped in a Trucker's stopped and asked for my papers because my Lakota skin turns dark from the sun. I was BORN in Wy, for three generations.

Now I will be subject to search because I don't have smooth white skin. I want my country back!

Posted by: DinkLane | April 24, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how President WeeWeedUp and one of his psycophants is outraged, outraged I tell you that a state is going to enforce the laws that the US government won't enforce.

That's what President WeWeedUp used to tell us about illegals, They do the jobs Americans won't do.

Posted by: robtr | April 24, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse


Geopolitics101 said:
"The only good news is the repuglican party has lost the Hispanic vote..."

It's good news that a party puts enforcing the law above catering for votes? Such is Obama-supporting liberal thinking, I suppose.
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Posted by: Billw3 | April 24, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse


Dionne is beyond help. He doesn't favor enforcing the law. In this case, very un-American.
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Posted by: Billw3 | April 24, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Hargru:
Is your point that this is a conspiracy by the Mexican government to invade the United States? I doubt so. You do make a good point that to solve this problem we have to think why people would take the risks to come here illegally. I suspect that a vast majority of it is due to poor economic conditions yet there is a number who do come for organized criminal reasons. I suspect the Mexican government won't stop it because it does provide a flow of money back into Mexico. That being said, that still does not excuse a law that violates the Constitution.

Posted by: smith6 | April 24, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Arizona = National punchline

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | April 24, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Illegal immigration is breaking the back of the American economy and helping to establish illegal drug cartel gangs throughout this country....it is high time someone acted in the defense of America. Way too many illegals are coming here simply to siphon off of the American economy and our welfare systems and sending all the money back home to support their families. Many, way too many refuse to speak or even learn English, they come here with attitudes that we (American citizens)owe them a living and a handout!! And for those who say they are hard working individuals then they should come to America according to our immigration laws....not starting out in American as simple criminals!!! God bless Governor Brewer and the real Americans in Arizona!!

Posted by: csa178 | April 24, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

to all,

fyi, my much loved/adopted daughter was born in Mexico, came here LAWFULLY, became a US Citizen on 07/05/09 & SUPPORTS closing the border to ILLEGALS, smugglers/drugs/etc.

she can say "wetback" flatter than ANY native-born, as she did/does NOT break our laws & despises those who DO!

NOPE, we have NOT lost "the Hispanic vote", as you must be a CITIZEN to vote & there are no more PATRIOTIC Americans than the "new citizens"!
(one of the things that we "native-born citizens" should be ASHAMED of is that less than HALF of us vote.)

essentially ALL of "the New Citizens" VOTE, EACH & EVERY ELECTION & they mostly vote CONSERVATIVE!

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 24, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

It's only a matter of time until someone brings a constitutional challenge to this law and the supreme court strikes it down. It's a pretty blatant violation of equal protection and search and seizure principles.

Posted by: squier13 | April 24, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Dionne needs to realize that it is not racist to be outraged that U.S. citizens are required to support illegal aliens and that most states and most communities are being crushed by these costs. Deport them all!

Posted by: stonecarver | April 24, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Of paraniod fearmongering, Abe Lincoln would have said;
"You can fool some of the people, ALL of the time"... ;^)
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Posted by: RField7 | April 24, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Smith6:

So what should the U.S. Feds do about all that? It is time for academic discussions to be set aside. No, Mexico does not want to invade militarily. But a release on purpose of so many Mexican citizens, good ones and bad ones, to cross the border for economic reasons is also an invasion.

I still do not hear from the posts what to the readers want to do. Legitimize the ones here, good and bad? And if so what about further invasion across purposely left open borders? Another legitimacy in five years? Maybe the answer is like a Switzerland...one North American Federal Union between Canada, U.S., and Mexico with a Dolrado as a currency...would everybody be happy then???

It was a matter of time "United" to become the "Federal" and for all business, political, and strictly academic interests to get their pound of flesh.

Posted by: HarGru | April 24, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

squier13,

i would NOT count on that, if i was you.= you have to have been LAWFULLY stopped to have your "lawful status" questioned, i.e., you have to have broken another LAW!

don't want to "show your papers"? = do NOT break our LAWS or better yet, LEAVE the USA if you are a law-BREAKER!

imVho, as a long-time LEO, i believe that the federal/state courts will uphold AZ's right to enforce their own state laws, should it be challenged in a court of law, decided & appealed, under the TENTH Amendment.

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 24, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

This is a humanitarian aid problem. We should get a lot of good publicity for helping Mexicos poor people out . Lets start to callit by its rightful name. The American humanitarian aid package to Mexico. We will be praised.

Posted by: shakes3 | April 24, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Docwhocuts, want to document your factoid of 51% of Mexicans supporting this bill? You can't I'm willing to bet you made it up just like Tom Tancredo and his Nativist gang of fools make up all the hooey they spread every day. Feel free to prove me wrong doc!

Posted by: trbajaz | April 24, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"Instead of calling people names and speaking in extremes, I have only one question: How can you tell an illegal immigrant from one here legally? Answer: you cant. And I think that is the issue with this bill. Unless you are capable of understanding everything from someones appearance then this creates a platform for finding it out. ie Racial profiling. Trust me on this - I wouldnt like someone to stop me and make me prove I am a US citizen because I am white. Fairness of the law means that it should apply to everyone, not just a selected class. "

"It's only a matter of time until someone brings a constitutional challenge to this law and the supreme court strikes it down. It's a pretty blatant violation of equal protection and search and seizure principles."

The arguments above from two different posters are red-herrings.

The law does NOT allow the police to stop people based on their skin color. There needs to be some other reason for the police to make a contact.

And the law does NOT allow the police to question people on the basis of race alone. There must be OTHER REASONS that give rise to suspicion that somebody is in the country illegally.

Once the police have stopped somebody for a crime it is irresponsible for them to release them without establishing their identity. I seem to remember that something like that happened with a couple of the 911 hijackers and there was a lot of outrage. If somebody can't produce an ID and can't speak English I'd say that was pretty good reason to detain them and establish their identity.

Remember that legal residents and visa holders are required by FEDERAL law to have their identification with them AT ALL TIMES. And English ability is a requirement for citizenship and somebody without that ability is presumably not a citizen. No identification and no English is good reason for suspicion with no racial profiling involved.

The liberal media has done a terrible job of reporting the true facts about this bill. It does not make racial profiling legal and any cop who engages in racial profiling is going to be in a lot of trouble from their own department and from law suits.

Posted by: jackbenimble | April 24, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Smith6:

A law that violates the Constitution? How? Read what the constitution says about the right of a state to enforce anti-invasion provisions whereby crimes are committed against the citizens and legal residents of that state. Remember, the states are Commonwealths and gave the powers to the Federal Government as specified in the Constitution.

Posted by: HarGru | April 24, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

What we really need in this country is an investigation in to the public water supply because there must be something in it. Nuclear power is a clear feasible answer to our energy independence. Nope, can't use that. Black folks sell most of the dope and commit most of the crimes in this country, maybe we should focus on them. Nope can't do that. Islamic terrorists want to blow us to smithereens, better check granny at the airport. Mexican illegals are flooding in daily, gee where should we try to find them. Do you think perhaps these folks just possibly might be Mexicans? What the hell is wrong with these people who are dead set on ignoring the obvious?

Posted by: shukov | April 24, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

The more we do this the more we highlight the fact that we stole the country from lots of others...by force...and an entire country built on old Indian burial grounds is bound to have a few problems...if we don't develop a bit of humility soon...

Posted by: Wildthing1 | April 24, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Dione, why don't you pay for their emergency room bills and pay for the higher insurance premiums and why don't you defend them when they come to phoenix and Tucson and commit hit and runs? YOU ARE A FLAMING LIBERAL WHO HAS NO CLUE ON WHAT THE WORD ILLEGAL MEANS.
THANK GOD FOR GOV BREWER! PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THIS BILL ARE EITHER HERE ILLEGALLY OR HAVE FAMILY/FRIENDS HERE ILLEGALLY. EITHER WAY THEY ARE WRONG!

Posted by: arwah | April 24, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

BY THE WAY DIONE WHY DON'T YOU READ THE BILL, IT SPECIFICALLY STATES YOU MAY NOT RACIAL PROFILE. YOU ARE UNEDUCATED AND CAN NOT WIN ON THE ISSUE SO YOU INCITE THE WORD RACIST!
JAN BREWER 2010!

Posted by: arwah | April 24, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

So everyone who might look illegal must carry papers, all the time.

And any cop, for any reason, can demand them.

We are in a time machine, taking us back to the early 1930s after Hitler came to power, and the police could stop anyone who looked Jewish and demand papers.

And a year or so after that, Hitler demanded that all Jews sew the star of David on their clothing. And then after that....

Heaven help Arizona and the madness that has descended upon them. And meanwhile, who will do all the jobs in that state and others, that we Americans refuse to do?

Posted by: kim4 | April 23, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

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That all persons can be required to carry identification papers, or have them available, is assuredly constitutional. The law cannot likely be said to violate the fourteenth amenmdment unless it can be shown that a subgroup, in this case Mexican Americans is, by virtue of the intent of the law subject to disproportionate legal attention.

Targeting African Americans driving in cars is such a violation because African Americans are not exclusively engaged in the crimes being suspected. By contrast, the murderous thugs being attacked by this law happen to be exclusively Mexicans; it is not restricted by any means to latinos. Law enforcement, to assault the Italian mafia, has every right and responsibility to infiltrate the Italian American community to figure out what is going on and to catch the mafioso. Similarly, law enforcement can and should infiltrate Russian Jewish communities in Brighton (and Russian communities in general) to catch the mafya. Law enforcement can and should evaluate immigrant Muslim places of worship to catch potential Islamic terrorists. Such is necessary in part because criminality is furtive.

Although discriminatory by effect works for employment, it is not the same with respect to crimes. A relevant recent Supreme Court Decision:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/08pdf/07-1015.pdf

Posted by: Martial | April 24, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"This is a humanitarian aid problem. We should get a lot of good publicity for helping Mexicos poor people out."

Mexico is a wealthy country and they should help themselves out. Here are a few ideas: 1) They have one of the lowest tax rates in the world and some of the wealthiest rich people in the world. They could raise taxes a little and educate their people and also teach them about birth control. 2)They have vast oil reserves and a totally corrupt nationalized oil company. They could open up their oil industry to foreign exploration. They royalties would solve most of their problems. 3) They could open up their coastlines to foreign ownership. This would set off a huge building boom, create millions of jobs for Mexicans, create lots of commerce serving the wealthy new homeowners and greatly expand the tax base. The people of Mexico are poor and fleeing to the USA because that is exactly how the Mexican elites who control the government and all the wealth want things to be. And the USA elites don't mind at all because they want the US population to be poor and compliant and easy to control too and that is the result of the vast influx of poverty.

Posted by: jackbenimble | April 24, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

So everyone who might look illegal must carry papers, all the time.

And any cop, for any reason, can demand them.

We are in a time machine, taking us back to the early 1930s after Hitler came to power, and the police could stop anyone who looked Jewish and demand papers.

And a year or so after that, Hitler demanded that all Jews sew the star of David on their clothing. And then after that....

Heaven help Arizona and the madness that has descended upon them. And meanwhile, who will do all the jobs in that state and others, that we Americans refuse to do?

Posted by: kim4 | April 23, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

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That all persons can be required to carry identification papers, or have them available, is assuredly constitutional. The law cannot likely be said to violate the fourteenth amenmdment unless it can be shown that a subgroup, in this case Mexican Americans is, by virtue of the intent of the law subject to disproportionate legal attention.

Targeting African Americans driving in cars is such a violation because African Americans are not exclusively engaged in the crimes being suspected. By contrast, the murderous thugs being attacked by this law happen to be exclusively Mexicans; it is not restricted by any means to latinos. Law enforcement, to assault the Italian mafia, has every right and responsibility to infiltrate the Italian American community to figure out what is going on and to catch the mafioso. Similarly, law enforcement can and should infiltrate Russian Jewish communities in Brighton (and Russian communities in general) to catch the mafya. Law enforcement can and should evaluate immigrant Muslim places of worship to catch potential Islamic terrorists. Such is necessary in part because criminality is furtive.

Although discriminatory by effect works for employment, it is not the same with respect to crimes. A relevant recent Supreme Court Decision:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/08pdf/07-1015.pdf

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Posted by: Martial | April 24, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

What's worse: one little itsy bitsy state passing a flawed immigration bill, or the Washington bureaucrats with a "better than any country on earth attitude" sitting on their asses for all these years?

It's amazing how Washington attempts to deflect every incompetent characteristic that they have . . . off on some body else.

They did the same thing with the mortgage debacle which sent the nation into a tailspin. Instead of acknowledging that they pushed banks into providing loans to people who couldn't pay and to provide Alt-A (Cheater Loans), they lambaste the banks. And they have never had the integrity to own up to the GSEs which absorbed and SOLD tens of millions of bad loans . . . and are still doing it.

One doesn't have to be a Right-wing nut to see that our government is screwing America. That's why their is a seismic shift towards the center. And though we aren't as extreme as the Right-Wing and Left-Wing crazies, we're as pissed off at our government as the extremists.

Posted by: neilc38 | April 24, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

A universal biometric ID would solve the discrimination issue, and is technologically feasible today.

If we use such an ID to make it impossible for citizens of other countries residing here unlawfully to access social services or employment, they will return to their own countries.

This idea is patently not racist or discriminatory--it applies to every human being in the US, and doesn't even require us to carry an ID card.

So if we do that, will all those complaining about the Arizona law support this?

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Posted by: ehkzu | April 24, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

WELL HONESTLY & REALISTICALLY SPEAKING IMMIGRATION IN THE US IS LIKE DRUGS YOU CAN BAN IT MAKE IT ILLEGAL, LOCK PEOPLE UP FOR IT, CREATE PROGRAMS TO PREVENT IT BUT....TRUTH IS IT'S STILL GOING TO BE HERE WETHER ANYBODY LIKE IT OR NOT..DEPORT THEM & THEY FIND A WAY BACK IN TIME & TIME AGAIN SO IT'S JUST REDICULOUS TO ME..AMERICA WILL NEVER BE IMMIGRANT FREE...SORRY

Posted by: emmaserra | April 24, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Excellent post. This State law is a travesty. I'm boycotting travel to Arizona, nor will I buy any product from that Gestapo State. It is time to reduce the power of individual States particular in areas that can cause international tensions.

Posted by: kerryberger | April 24, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Excellent post. This State law is a travesty. I'm boycotting travel to Arizona, nor will I buy any product from that Gestapo State. It is time to reduce the power of individual States particular in areas that can cause international tensions.

Posted by: kerryberger | April 24, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

This sounds like a reasonable state law to me. Everyone of us, ought to be able to prove citizenship when we buy stuff, get a driver's license, visit a hospital, etc. When we buy an airline ticket we show a passport, so what's the big deal about showing your ID-card on demand? I show my ID-card when I punch in at my daily job. The current laws for ID-cards are pretty lame, so Arizona can demand proof of citizenship before they give away all of their gold down there. It is reasonable to show a credit card, drivers-license, birth certificate whenever your daddy asks for it.

Posted by: rmorris391 | April 24, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Why is obama so mad about this bill??? Because now he cant go to Arizona!!!!!!!!!!
Shame on them for enforceing the law!

Posted by: doyallfrench | April 24, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

The only way to enforce this fairly is to stop everyone. Make everyone in the state of AZ show their American passports whenever they encounter a cop. Anything less is unfairly targeting the minority population.

Posted by: chi-town

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That makes ZERO sense. Political correctness is a major and possibly fatal symptom of the mental illness of liberalism.

Posted by: Straightline | April 24, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

This is not immigration reform it is a crisis management action. Mexico is in crisis and they need our help.

Support the Humanitarian Aid Package.

Posted by: shakes3 | April 24, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

problem with that is all people in favor of the bill would happily produce their passports.

Hey ! Great idea!

Posted by: shakes3 | April 24, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

This bill violates the principal of "Innocent until proven Guilty", forcing the innocent US citizen to prove his/her citizenship instead of demanding the state prove that he/she is committing a crime.

The bill also ignores the historical fact that Mexicans lived in Arizona, California, and Texas centuries before those states were in the US. Are we going to arrest families who have been in Arizona since the 17th C. because they don't have their paperwork on hand?

As the grandchild of immigrants, who just happen to be Scandinavian, I find this nativist sentiment disturbing in a country populated by descendants of immigrants.

Posted by: AxelDC | April 24, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Can you imagine our forefathers limiting themselves with profiling and political correctness?? We wouldn't be here.

Posted by: Straightline | April 24, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

The problem with requiring people to show their passport is that most people who want to deport immigrants have never traveled outside the US.

Posted by: AxelDC | April 24, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Good for Arizona. Maybe if enough states pass laws like this the federal government, who really is supposed to protect our borders, will get off its butt and do the job. It's easy for limosine liberass like E.J. to critizize Arizona for having the gumption to acutally do something about illegal immigration when he's not on the front lines with this war like they are. I wouldn't be suprised if E.J. has an illegal maid or gardner working for him.

Posted by: RobT1 | April 24, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

All white Americans descend from European ancestors who INVADED ILLEGALLY what is today North America, which was ALREADY occupied by the ancestors of what are called today Hispanics. Therefore, by way of logic, all white Americans should be considered ILLEGAL ALIENS in North America and sent back to Europe.

Posted by: ericamekan | April 24, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Reply to Kim4:

"And any cop, for any reason, can demand them"? Read jackbenimble's post above.

"And meanwhile, who will do all the jobs in that state and others, that we Americans refuse to do"? Refuse to do? Only some people would refuse to do..and they are too sophisticated for my taste. when you need a job (many many need that) you will do!

Posted by: HarGru | April 24, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

By the way, stop acting as if you know this problem intimately if you have never lived out west to experience it first hand daily. Yep this means you too BHO

Posted by: howieiii
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Out west? Try Florida. It is so irritating to be lectured to by arrogant, city-slicker liberals like Dionne (and you-know-who) who don't have a clue what is happening.

Posted by: bbface21 | April 24, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

The only thing even remotely wrong with this bill is that it is a state law and not a federal law. The Arizona governor has proven to be a far better leader than our weak excuse of a president.

Posted by: randy28146 | April 24, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

All white Americans descend from European ancestors who INVADED ILLEGALLY what is today North America, which was ALREADY occupied by the ancestors of what are called today Hispanics. Therefore, by way of logic, all white Americans should be considered ILLEGAL ALIENS in North America and sent back to Europe. Justice would be served in that way.

Posted by: ericamekan | April 24, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Reply to ericamekan:

"European ancestors who INVADED ILLEGALLY what is today North America".

There was no LEGALITY involved (thus no illegality) as the people here at the time did not have mutually established laws to protect their borders. Borders came into being with the concept of the "nation-state" in the thirteenth century or so. Obviously we do not have borders as well, or this recent "invasion" would also be illegal and we would protect our borders! LOL

Posted by: HarGru | April 24, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Isn't life full of unfairness?
Ever since the civilized justice came into being, people have been subjected to judicial procedure as per the laws concerned, and, sometimes, the verdicts have been questioned and modified resulting in the doubts about the fairness of the justice system enacted by the people and for the people of respective jurisdictions.
How to justify certain acts of individuals or of an administration depends on the legal codes - the standard scale of human actions in the respective administrative zones.
As regards the continuing controversy, the obvious conflict encompasses the legal and moral considerations.
"Justice is blind", "justice delayed, justice denied", "justice is equal to all", so forth should be thought twice, right or wrong?
However, among the down-to-earth assessments of the immigration issues should cover all other facts, e.g., applicants in many countries as well as neighbor Mexico waiting for over 10 years for their Visa, applicants entered legally in the US waiting for their status adjustment for years, residents struggling to find employments while "illegal alients" (15 millions) are employed.,

Posted by: MustaqurRahman | April 24, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I live in AZ. We are close to the boarder. You live in WA, you have no issues with immigration. Have you ever seen someone shot in front of you? Kidnapped? It happens EVERY day here because of illegal immigration period! What part of Illegal Immigration do you not understand? Now we have to make it illegal to be illegal, mostly because of the lawyers! As the Gov stated if the government dem or GOP has failed we as states must act. We will take care of our own here. You can go figure out health care or something! Wait until you see what we do about carrying guns shortly. That will also be the best solution for us here in AZ as well as requiring not only our citizens to carry proper id but the people we vote for!

Posted by: azkmb | April 24, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

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And Timothy McVeigh was an illegal, right?

And that's what I am afraid off. NUT CASES LIKE YOU

Posted by: mackiejw | April 24, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

What I fear is that the law will be voided by the courts, and the feds will do nothing to protect us here in Arizona. I have been a resident since I started college at the UofA in 1965 and I have seen the harm the illegals have done to this once great state; including the death of so many law enforcement men, yes, at the hands of illegals - one was being stoped for j-walking and was (the Phoenix Officer) shot dead.

Posted by: Ranger-Phx | April 24, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Next up on the agenda is the gas chambers and crematoriums. Hitler's soul has found a home in Arizona.

Posted by: Maddogg | April 24, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Next up on the agenda is the gas chambers and crematoriums. Hitler's soul has found a home in Arizona.

Posted by: Maddogg | April 24, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Haha Arizona, enjoy paying out billions in lawsuits as innocent people refuse to be harassed. I expect this hate-bill to last a year, maybe less.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | April 24, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Next up on the agenda is the gas chambers and crematoriums. Hitler's soul has found a home in Arizona.

Posted by: Maddogg | April 24, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Dionne, ultimately the Arizona bill is the consequence, albeit unintended, of the actions of people like you.

The Simpson-Mazzoli Bill was supposed to give a "one-time amnesty (never to be repeated again) in exchange for effective enforcement (i.e. exclusion of illegal aliens) and as soon as the amnesty had taken effect, the open borders proponents reneged on their commitments and began to obstruct all efforts to carry out the enforcement provisions of Simpson-Mazzoli, especially by allowing overt fraud on the Simpson-Mazzoli workplace enforcement provisions.

Whenever any effective enforcement is proposed it is opposed because in so many words – because it might be effective. And then the same people who obstructed previous enforcement of the law have the gall to complain it would be inhumane to enforce the law “because it would break up families). Well, whose fault is that Mr. Dionne? Those families are here because is because so many fraudulently documented immigrants have been allowed to stay because we have not effectively enforced the law. Just like the kid who murdered his parents and then asked for mercy because he was an orphan. So why should we take their advice now.

So now as the situation gets completely out-of-hand and unemployment flirts with 10% (even though the true number is much higher) people complain about the draconian measures being proposed in Arizona -- which probably are over the top. But if you don't like Arizona's proposals, quit obstructing other effective mechanisms such as checking for discrepancies in employment documents -- things like e-verify. Not perfect - but perfectible.

And when you lose an argument, such as on the horrible economic consequences of illegal immigration on America's working poor -- don't try to cover by yelling “racism.” It just shows that you know you can't win on the merits. And there are really a few of us (actually -- not too many of us left) Truman Democrats who care about protecting wages from an unlimited supply of Third World laborers. Mr. Dionne – you’re the one on the same side as the Chamber of Commerce in demanding cheap labor – not us. The Chamber of Commerce wouldn’t care if unrestricted immigration didn’t reduce their wage costs. Calling us racists is a slander and a violation of the Ninth Commandment’s prohibition against bearing false witness. And if racism is a bad thing, then your violation of the commandment is especially vile.

Posted by: kevin9 | April 24, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing wrong with illegals. Our company has made millions by hiring them. They work hard for $4/hr and we don't have to pay SS tax, workmen's comp, etc. That is all we hire now.

Those who complain about them must not have a business. But illegals have made us rich. Keep 'em coming to the Carolinas. State and feds provide free healthcare and welfare, etc.

Posted by: txengr | April 24, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

It's funny when white people blame people who don't look like them for their problems. Were Mexicans running Goldman-Sachs? The Lehman Brothers? Arizona looks like a huge joke here. As if it didn't already with senile ol' John McCain.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | April 24, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

The self-interest of our elected Federal Government officials precludes the possibility of them (either party) offending a large voting block such as the Latino community. Therefore, if there is to be any reasonable immigration plan to be advanced, it will have to be forced by individual states. Any plan coming from this administration and this Congress will be intended only to ingratiate themselves to the Latino voting block. We have laws on the books regarding immigration, but have chosen not to enforce them, or even discuss them, for fear of losing the Latino vote. Kudo's to Arizona for taking action to force the issue.

Posted by: tnulta | April 24, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Kevin9:

We have more immigration because of NAFTA, the goal of which was the movement of capital, goods and labor. This is exactly what was supposed to happen under NAFTA. The political system has not caught up with the economic reality.

As for Governor Jan "Crow" Brewer, she will go down in infamy for opening the door to fascism in America. Teabaggers should stop invoking the Founding Fathers because they have nothing in common with them. The progenitors of the teabaggers are the treasonous Confederates. They hated our constitution too.

Posted by: sunnyday1 | April 24, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

The crime is that the government will NOT protect our borders.
Arizona, be proud you are protecting all citizens and doing what our administration refuses to do...Illegal is illegal!
Thank you Arizona and I will support you 100%.

Posted by: canyon2 | April 24, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

to think that I am an argentine thinking of moving to Phoenix ... If I do, will I have to physically attach my passport to my shirt?
and jbillalpando, your analysis is so superficial, just pure hypocrisy, part of the US economy is based on cheap labor, so don’t complain. Why don’t you focus on the tax dollars used to finance the war in Iraq and Afghanistan? Or to save the banks.

Posted by: srossello | April 24, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

This is a bad law, a very bad law. HOWEVER, what led to this law is the continuing failure of the Federal Government to incarcerate and deport illegal aliens.

America needs to stop all immigration for a short period, say ten years, and then allow reduced numbers of people to immigrate here and become Americans.

Additionally, there should be no amnesty for illegal aliens.

Posted by: jnrentz@aol.com | April 24, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Apparently Dionne Jr is too much of a dead head to understand that half the people in the Montgomery Co. jail for murder are illegal aliens.

Posted by: Slager21 | April 24, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

maddogg,

STUPIDITY & ARROGANT IGNORANCE, do NOT become INTELLIGENT by posting the STUPID comments that you made, above, THREE TIMES.

your comments are just as STUPID, as they were when you first spewed one out onto this forum.

your village called; they are seeking their IDIOT.

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 24, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Ah Yes! Doesn't it just warm your heart to hear Dionne and cronies standing up proudly for the rights of drug cartels and their murderous thugs to free access accross our borders. Lord knows if this anti-Constitutional Administration won't stand up for these thugs, nobody will clean up the blood and send them skipping merrily back across the border.

Posted by: UncomfortableTruths | April 24, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing shameful about our Country upholding our civil laws. For all of you bleeding hearts out there, if you are so worried about these people that are here illagally, why don't you adopt a family and give them the jobs that your children deserve to have. Start worring about our Country for a change. If you want to you can still support these people when they go back to Mexico. Just send them a personal check every week!!!

Posted by: randykree | April 24, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"the federal government has not done its duty. The southern borders are open, more or less. Of course, this benefits the fat cat Republicans who have businesses that profit from brown slave labor"

But it doesn't benefit the Democrats right? I guess that explains why President Obama & the Democratic Congress are working so diligently to secure the border and reform immigration policies.

OH, wait...

Posted by: BEEPEE | April 24, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

sunnyday1

What are you talking about? Your remark is totally irrelevant. NAFTA didn't suspend the Immigration and Nationality laws. And if it did, it would further depress the living standards of poorer Americans and would be a bad idea in my book.

As far as the teabaggers go, I'm a Truman Democrat -- I hold them and left-wing airheads in equal contempt.

Posted by: kevin9 | April 24, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

to all,

fwiw, my adopted daughter is a VOLUNTEER for the "approved, but not yet funded" TX Border Protection Force. - as a "new citizen" & native-speaker of Spanish, she will be HELPFUL to the Force & VIGILANT in protecting TX soil from invasion by common criminals/illegal aliens/smugglers/etc.!
(btw, as she has a MSEE, she will take a major "pay-cut", to join the Force.)

fyi, i have purchased her a suitable Sig-Sauer P226 (9mm) handgun (with suitable gunbelt/holster/handcuffs/etc), paid for her professional marksmanship lessons (with a retired TX DPS SGT) & will, proudly, wecome her into the brother/sister-hood of LEOs, when the TBPF is funded.
(i have requested, as a retired LEO, to be the one to "swear her in".)

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 24, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

The worst that can happen with implementing the law is that some stupid cops do some profiling and lose their jobs for not having reasonable suspicion.

The worst that can happen without implementing the law is that more people in Mexico and the USA continue to be killed in drug wars by those roaming back and forth across the border unchallenged.

Posted by: Elisa2 | April 24, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

John McCain supports it. There should be some type of pool on how low he will sink before he loses the primary in August.

What will Cindy do for servants now?

Just imagine what a McCain-Palin administration would have been like.

Posted by: glynnjp1 | April 24, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

There is no danger in looking Spanish, you idiot. The only danger, and rightly so, is being in this country illegally. Why do you liberals demonize people that want laws to keep this country well organized. Why do you cherish conditions that look like bordellos? Why do you twist things around so anything done to protect this country from foreign invasions becomes racist? Because illegal, I said and repeat illegal is simply an invasion, and more and more it appears to be an armed invasion when ranchers living next to the border get killed by invaders?
Do you like mayhem? What is the matter with you?

Posted by: grooves12 | April 24, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"It is time to reduce the power of individual States"

And you debate the legality and Constitutionality of Arizona's law?

Posted by: BEEPEE | April 24, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Is this kinda, sorta like the WWII phrase, "Once a Jap always a Jap!"??? Intern those slanty-eyed b@stards!

Once a Mex always a Mex? The nativists are again restless and want everyone without shiny white faces, out!

Pretty ugly stuff.

Posted by: veerle1 | April 24, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Bust the illegals (visit construction sites) and deport them NOW. E.J. Dionne. Karl Marx is calling.

Posted by: Drudge1 | April 24, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

E.J., as usual, when a Progressive is faced with the fact that a border state is being inundated with ILLEGAL ALIEN CRIMINALS, all you can do is whine and hope for amnesty. Amnesty of course hides under the phrase "comprehensive immigration reform."

I've never understood why it was not a state crime to be in the state ILLEGALLY. At last Arizona has done something about it.

If nothing else, it should create a "hostile environment" for ILLEGALS, who likely will shift to either New Mexico or Texas. New Mexico is more welcoming to ILLEGAL crooks, so maybe they'll mostly head there.

If the Federal Government will not provide the border security it says it is responsible for, someone must. Also, I don't see this big civil rights issue. You stop someone on the highway, or for spitting and ask for I.D. If you get some bogus looking cr*p, like those consular cards issued by the Mexican government, you ask for proof of legal status. What's the big deal??

Posted by: Curmudgeon10 | April 24, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

To: srosello:

If you are an Argentinian thinking of moving to Phoenix please do so. You did not come here illegally I suspect and you will have to show an ID of some sort for driver license, some jobs, getting married, etc...I carried my passport with me at all times when I lived in Argentina for six months. That was not so tough! I did have to show it everywhere though...even as I looked the same as most people in Buenos Aires. You may find that the U.S. is better than the portrayal by academic liberals and psychotic big city residents.

Posted by: HarGru | April 24, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

The question why the federal government doesn't enforce current laws is simple: if they did, the businessmen who use illegal labor would get really really mad. One person was honest enough to post that he loves illegals because he pays them almost nothing and under the table... and gets a huge profit in doing so.

The law in Arizona is so radical because it seems to attack the shady businessmen as much as the illegals.

Stop folks from hiring illegals and you stop the influx of illegals. It is simple.

If you think the businesses that hire illegals are all run by "leftists" you are crazy... they are rock-ribbed Republicans. They are what stops any real immigration reform. Period.

The sad part is those same Republicans lie and say it is the Democrats who love illegals.... and most other Republicans buy that argument, too.

Posted by: steveboyington | April 24, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing. The sounds of knees jerking all to the left of me, for some strange reason. First, this is not Government over reaching as it is the state government. The mistrust of government over reach a fearful of the Federal Government, not their own state and local government.

Next, please stop throwing around the word "profiling." Instead, lets try simple logic: The law requires you be lawfully present to work in the United States; a great majority of those that violate this law are Latino (I believe it is over 90%); thus, those most impacted by a law the Arizona law will be Latino. Calling it profiling does not undermine the law.

Next, our esteemed President had the nerve to say that the Arizona law undermines the fundamental notions of fairness in the U.S. It cannot be said for sure whether he actually believes this, or is pandering, but, the fairness is based on the rule of law. Is it fairness to allow those that disregard the law to circumvent it at the expense of those who follow it?

Legal immigration, based on the number of immigrant visas set aside by Congress every year, enriches us economically, and strnegthens our social fabric. Illegal immigration drains us economically, and tears at our social fabric (as evidenced by the current hostilities between the 70%+ plus that want the law enforced, and the small group that does not.

Posted by: hsr143 | April 24, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Why do you twist things around so anything done to protect this country from foreign invasions becomes racist? Because illegal, I said and repeat illegal is simply an invasion, and more and more it appears to be an armed invasion when ranchers living next to the border get killed by invaders?
Do you like mayhem? What is the matter with you?

Posted by: grooves12
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The left uses the race card because they don't have a legitimate counter argument. Their only experience with an illegal immigrant is that they might bump into a busboy in some artsy-fartsy restaurant in Adams Morgan or Seattle.

Posted by: bbface21 | April 24, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

The immigrant worker has kept prices low on not only the food we eat, the milk we drink, and a myriad of other commodities. Those who are against the undocumented workers will be screaming when prices go up. Instead of being grateful for the contributions of these workers, too many Americans are just ingrates who call themselves Christian, but they are not.

Posted by: paris1969 | April 24, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Illegal is a crime, not a race...

Posted by: michaelhunt277 | April 24, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

It's all about escaping poverty. The Canadian border is thousands of miles of open wilderness but virtually nobody illegally crosses. For what? Canadians have a higher standard of living then Americans anyway. At least Americans aren't trying to sneak into Canada, yet. But, the real solution is for the USA and the developed world to help
Mexico and other poor countries. Instead of spending billions on Iraq and Afghanistan. Turning the USA/ Mexico border into a minefield, interrogating and treating human beings like cattle, that's not the behavior of a great nation. But, if we helped Mexico and her standard of living improved, even a little bit, most of them would no longer want to come here.


Posted by: magnifco1000 | April 24, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

RE: Posted by: paris1969:

The immigrant worker has kept prices low on not only the food we eat, the milk we drink, and a myriad of other commodities. Those who are against the undocumented workers will be screaming when prices go up. Instead of being grateful for the contributions of these workers, too many Americans are just ingrates who call themselves Christian, but they are not.
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If they are legalized, the employers will be required to pay them the same wages they pay Americans. So prices will go up if we pass immigration "reform." If that is your basis for supporting illegal immigrants, it isn't a very strong one. One the other side of the coin, do you support illegals as a source of cheap labor. Isn't that racist?

Posted by: hsr143 | April 24, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Paris1969 –

So you name yourself after the year that a left-wing putsch forced de Gaulle to resign and then you write:

“The immigrant worker has kept prices low on not only the food we eat, the milk we drink, and a myriad of other commodities. Those who are against the undocumented workers will be screaming when prices go up.”

So you are for low (poverty level) wages so you can have cheap veggies?? Incroyable!

Shows you what has happened to the left (or more accurately, the modern pseudo-left)!

But let me put your mind at ease. Just a week ago the AP carried a story that mentioned that Florida tomato pickers only get about $0.47 per 32 lb bucket of tomatoes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/16/AR2010041602507.html

So when you pay $2 in the store, less than 1.5 cents goes to the guy who picked them. So if we quadrupled wages, it would cost you less than a nickel if the increase in wages was fully passed to you. Actually, the farmers would absorb most or all of that and land prices would go down. So, in a nutshell – you would still have pretty cheap veggies to nourish your selfish little heart.

I hope that doesn’t dim you revolutionary fervor. Vive Harry Truman!

Posted by: kevin9 | April 24, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Paris1969 –

So you name yourself after the year that a left-wing putsch forced de Gaulle to resign and then you write:

“The immigrant worker has kept prices low on not only the food we eat, the milk we drink, and a myriad of other commodities. Those who are against the undocumented workers will be screaming when prices go up.”

So you are for low (poverty level) wages so you can have cheap veggies?? Incroyable!

Shows you what has happened to the left (or more accurately, the modern pseudo-left)!

But let me put your mind at ease. Just a week ago the AP carried a story that mentioned that Florida tomato pickers only get about $0.47 per 32 lb bucket of tomatoes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/16/AR2010041602507.html

So when you pay $2 in the store, less than 1.5 cents goes to the guy who picked them. So if we quadrupled wages, it would cost you less than a nickel if the increase in wages was fully passed to you. Actually, the farmers would absorb most or all of that and land prices would go down. So, in a nutshell – you would still have pretty cheap veggies to nourish your selfish little heart.

I hope that doesn’t dim you revolutionary fervor. Vive Harry Truman!

Posted by: kevin9 | April 24, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

The Mexican narcotic traffic comes through Arizona, and the trash and garbage stays behind. Drug-related kidnapping in Phoenix has reached record highs, and one rancher was killed by the drug runners. Arizona's governor is brave enough to protect the citizens. WAPO reporters who observe from their safe, comfortable homes should shut their mouths or go help the Arizona residents. Put your money where your mouth is.

Posted by: drzimmern1 | April 24, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

veerie1,

i ask you the SAME question that i asked the other MORON, that tried (equally UNsuccessfully!)to "play the racecard":

"Do you REALLY believe any of that STUPID NONSENSE?"
or
"Are you just being a hate-FILLED, bigoted, little TROLL?"

IF you ARE that clue-LESS & brain-DEAD, i PITY you.

btw, your village called; they're looking for their IDIOT.

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 24, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey, this law forces Arizona cops to go way beyond arresting folks for 'driving while black.' It criminalizes 'breathing while brown.'

Posted by: chuck8 | April 24, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

It seems that the hype over immigration, and the core of the Teabagger movement, stems from fear that white, male American domination of the world has seen its day. They can't handle a world where the US doesn't boss everyone around, where whites aren't the dominant race in the US, and where a black man is the Man.

Posted by: AxelDC | April 24, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

chuck8,

your post is so STUPID & "PHONY-BALONEY", that all i can do is LAUGH AT YOU!

are you sure that you're NOT a member of the RNC, who is here to make DUMB comments, so that the DIMocRATS look even LESS INTELLIGENT than most of them actually ARE?

laughing AT you!

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 24, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse


(((YECHY POO)

i am cross referencing SB 1070 here in bum fr**k egypt here to the USCODE.

A striker that is now named Safe Neighborhoods; Imigration; Law Enforcement
also known as short title:

“Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act.”

all the power goes to ICE.

I need a drink!
(rolling)

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 24, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

"All white Americans descend from European ancestors who INVADED ILLEGALLY what is today North America, which was ALREADY occupied by the ancestors of what are called today Hispanics. Therefore, by way of logic, all white Americans should be considered ILLEGAL ALIENS in North America and sent back to Europe."

And the vast majority of Mexicans are mixed blood descendents of White European Spaniards. What do you suggest they do to purge themselves from the continent? Kill themselves? Because Spain sure doesn't want them.

If White Europeans invaded illegally, then exactly which government wrote the laws that they supposedly broke? The truth is, that they were settlors (not immigrants) to an uncivilized continent that had no government and had no immigration laws for them to break. In some cases, they bought the land where they settled. Like Manhatten island was purchased for about $20 worth of beads and trinkets. In some cases they fought for it rather bitterly with the natives and the natives lost. We should learn from the natives mistake. It is a bad idea to lose.

Posted by: jackbenimble | April 24, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"The model in this case is not Uncle Joe Stalin but apartheid South Africa's old passbook laws."

Actually, the Soviet Union had internal passports and you had to have special permission to move from the provinces to big cities like Moscow.

Posted by: bkvam | April 24, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

What is shameful is the inability or lack of will of the government to do anything to stem the tide of illegal immigration. It is about time for a national ID card and everyone having to produce it to get any services. And why not have random spot checks just as is done to apprehend DUIs? Here in Pennsylvania the state police routinely set up check points to examine driver’s licenses, registration, safety inspection and insurance, and in Sicily the carabinneri routinely sets up check points to look for smugglers of groceries. None of this is considered an infringement on the rights of law abiding citizens. If a check point is set up examining all drivers and passengers regardless of race or ethnicity then this would not be discriminatory racial profiling. A nation of law needs to enforce its laws; if the feds won't do it, then the state and local governments will have to. To say these jurisdictions have no authority because they have no jurisdiction is spurious; they certainly could apprehend military deserters and hold them for the military authorities.

Posted by: csintala79 | April 24, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Section 4 ----i haven't done the research yet, but I imagine we can lump into this travestry -violation of the USA Patriot Act and the US Constitution.

SB1070 from BFE (bum frick egypt shortened) misses the USCode just a tad too.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 24, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

----a true police state we are now.

so what about the weather being nice, eh?

I see such a train wreck. And I haven't even cross referenced the US Patriot Act to the bill at all yet.

Not to mention cross referencing the USConstition to SB1070.

Where did ICE come from anyhoos?
Anyone?

And don't forget the biggest fat freak since Rush "percocette or bust" Limbaugh is Sheriff Joe Arapio. Racism at its best......(for the masses that may or may not know him)

Can discrimination be mentioned here?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 24, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Dionne, good grief ~ gird your loins and move out smartly.

Just because you look like a Mexican field hand (to me if not your wife), the fact is you are FAR LESS LIKELY to be querried by Arizona authorities than I am ~ after all, I can read Spanish language newspapers, listen to conversations (with some degree of understanding), and my surname (not my pen name of some 50 years standing) is fairly "Hispanic" ~ about 10% of the Iberian peninsula has the same name, and maybe as much as 25% of the Cuban refugees in this country also have the name in whole or in part.

The AZ state troopers, local cops, sheriffs and others ~ who are predominantly Hispanic in origin themselves, will see that name, look past the green eyes and red hair, and demand PROOF.

In your case, they'll do nothing. Your surname may well be latin in nature, but GUAR AN TEE it ain't no thang and you will be told to cut out the drinking in the future lest you run off into the desert again.

Posted by: muawiyah | April 24, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"Achtung! Your papers please, Herr Lopez."

Why do the tea partiers yearn so to turn this free country into a police state? Have they been watching those 1930s-era Nazi propaganda films again? Someone needs to familiarize the tea partiers with some American Values. They seem to hate every last thing this country stands for!

Posted by: B2O2 | April 24, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

t seems that the hype over immigration, and the core of the Teabagger movement, stems from fear that white, male American domination of the world has seen its day. They can't handle a world where the US doesn't boss everyone around, where whites aren't the dominant race in the US, and where a black man is the Man.

Posted by: AxelDC
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Yawn. Shouldn't the race card be way over its credit limit by now?

I guess it's not when used by a hipster in DC who probably never experienced the problem firsthand.

Posted by: bbface21 | April 24, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

funny they passed this law in arizona, i wondered why texas hasn't tried the immigration two step then i remembered that texas is 60% mexican and gaining.they just put a teabagger into the state reps with maybe two thousand people voting out of 80-90- thousand registered voters. get the point, no immigration crap for texas because and energized mexican voting block well good bye republican good old boys.don't like mexicans- better move to switzerland.

Posted by: trjohnson8890122 | April 24, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

funny they passed this law in arizona, i wondered why texas hasn't tried the immigration two step then i remembered that texas is 60% mexican and gaining.they just put a teabagger into the state reps with maybe two thousand people voting out of 80-90- thousand registered voters. get the point, no immigration crap for texas because and energized mexican voting block well good bye republican good old boys.don't like mexicans- better move to switzerland.

Posted by: trjohnson8890122 | April 24, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

It seems that the hype over immigration, and the core of the TeaParty movement, stems from fear that white, male American domination of the world has seen its day.......Posted by: AxelDC
.........................................
Well, I think we all must admit white people as a rule are the best all around.
The best looking, the coolest, usually the smartest, the most inventive.
And the native population of America is Caucasian. Fact. It's called America after the people who created the country, the American people.

But what does this have to do with the fact that immigration, is used to oppress the working class of America?
If you support immigration you hate poor people, you are denying poor Americans chances to get jobs and get ahead, and to earn better wages. Pro immigrant people are heartless.

Posted by: WilliamBlake | April 24, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

When you are pulled over or questioned by the police you are asked for ID. So according to you LIB id10t's those possibly in the US illegally should be afforded more protection???

Posted by: askgees | April 24, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

When you are pulled over or questioned by the police you are asked for ID. So according to you LIB id10t's those possibly in the US illegally should be afforded more protection???

Posted by: askgees | April 24, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

And when their illegitimate farts create disturbances of the peace during riotous protests, the fire hoses should be brought out and turned up full blast.

Posted by: hared | April 24, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Only a fool would condone a system that tolerates and does not attempt to aggressively stop an invasion of illegal immigrants into their country. I think Arizona and other states have waited way too long for the federal government to protect our borders and citizens rights to personal property and the pursuit of happiness. The federal government obviously is openly opposed to protecting our nation against this assault. The bogus argument that the AZ law permits racial profiles and is biased against Hispanics is almost ludicrous. Are hordes of illegal Norwegians or Tibetans entering this country illegally across the Mexican border? As a citizen, I would have no problem carrying a national identity card and presenting to authorize officials upon request. Other advanced, civilized nations have such requirements. Of course, one group is secretly opposed to Arizona’s action and wants to keep this cheap, abundant source of labor pouring in is business who readily takes advantage of these people. The rest of us pay for the illegal’s’ health care, bi-lingual education, lack of auto insurance, and cost of the crime many of them commit. Perhaps we’re heading for Civil War II – another battle over states rights. I also think in November, voters should send out a clear and loud message by voting out all incumbents running for their current seats in Congress. Tell them they failed. Like I said at the beginning – only fools would allow the present system to continue. Declare amnesty for these people and watch the flood of illegal immigrants become a torrent that washes away our culture.

Posted by: sero1 | April 24, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

NAFTA has done nothing to help either Mexico or the USA and that's part of the problem. US firms have used Mexico for cheap labor and then we get upset when they want to come here. These people are refugees, refugees from poverty. Many just want a chance and demonizing them is not the answer. We know they work, often jobs US
workers don't want. As for how to fix things, let the USA start with a comprehensive and fair trade and aid package for Mexico. We can pay for it by stopping our worthless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the billions wasted on the military. Then, we can move forward. As Mexico improves, fewer of her people will want to come here. This other approach, jackbooted Homeland Security officers, Nazi like checks for papers, rounding up hungry women and children, that's no solution. That's just a national disgrace.

Posted by: magnifco1000 | April 24, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

And I did not like, at all, Brewer (REP) mentioning that Arizona is doing what WASH DC failed to do. AZ was sitting on their butt waiting for Wash. DC to do the dirty work of controlling immigration. under Jane Dee Hull, (before Janet), our general fund had 640 million in it. Now we are broke. Why? I can tell you why.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 24, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

The last time I checked, murder, kidnapping, prostitution, hiring illegal or undocumented immigrants and trafficking in drugs, weapons and humans were already illegal. Arizona’s problem isn’t a lack of laws to protect its residents; its problem is with enforcing the laws it already has. If police forces have a solid reason to believe that someone is committing a crime, they already have laws and resources available to search and/or arrest said suspect.

This new law will do nothing but spread already-straining police forces to the breaking point while simultaneously taking away one of their most valuable resources in fighting these crimes: the Hispanic/Latino community itself. Who do you think the police force’s biggest ally and source of information is when it comes to the violent crimes being committed on both sides of the border? I can tell you it’s not the elderly white retiree living in his $1.5 million McMansion. But no one in the Hispanic/Latino community is going to breathe a word of what they’ve heard if it’s going to bring extra scrutiny to their neighborhood, even if they are full fledged American citizens.

Hard to believe? Consider the following scenario: you’re here legally because your parents went through the immigration process and you were born in Arizona. Your grandmother who is living with you, however, is here illegally. Are you really going to risk having grandma go to prison just to report a tip on a possible upcoming drug run? Probably not.

Do you know who is going to be the biggest beneficiary of this new law? The Mexican drug cartels. This new law will create a huge market for high-quality counterfeit documentation, and the drug cartels have the resources to manufacture it. How is this law going to help Arizona once the majority of illegal immigrants have counterfeit documentation that the police can’t differentiate from the real thing?

It would have been far more beneficial to provide law enforcement agencies with the resources to properly enforce existing laws. Instead what you’ve got is nothing more than a make-me-feel-good, big government band-aid. And we haven’t even touched how much money this is going to cost the state of Arizona in attempting to enforce it. It’s going to take tax increases or budget cuts to other programs in order to pay for the additional man-power and training for the police, not to mention the expense in court costs and housing these people in jail or prison.

Posted by: Merianya | April 24, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Texas and Arizona. Time to separate these two states from the Union. They dirty all of us.

Posted by: irkulyen | April 24, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Texas and Arizona. Time to separate these two states from the Union. They dirty all of us.

Posted by: irkulyen | April 24, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

But let me put your mind at ease. Just a week ago the AP carried a story that mentioned that Florida tomato pickers only get about $0.47 per 32 lb bucket of tomatoes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/16/AR2010041602507.html

So when you pay $2 in the store, less than 1.5 cents goes to the guy who picked them. So if we quadrupled wages, it would cost you less than a nickel if the increase in wages was fully passed to you. Actually, the farmers would absorb most or all of that and land prices would go down. So, in a nutshell – you would still have pretty cheap veggies to nourish your selfish little heart.

I hope that doesn’t dim you revolutionary fervor. Vive Harry Truman!


Posted by: kevin9 | April 24, 2010 5:23 PM
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Here in California wine country (& lemons and limes and flowers, avocados and strawberries...) the going wage for illegal farm workers is $12 a hour. Tomatoes are grown on tall racks in hydroponic green houses, and harvested directly into protective containers mounted on rails. It's very fast and efficient.
http://www.sherrysgreenhouse.com/oldsite/GHLaurelwood.html

Posted by: WilliamBlake | April 24, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

But let me put your mind at ease. Just a week ago the AP carried a story that mentioned that Florida tomato pickers only get about $0.47 per 32 lb bucket of tomatoes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/16/AR2010041602507.html

So when you pay $2 in the store, less than 1.5 cents goes to the guy who picked them. So if we quadrupled wages, it would cost you less than a nickel if the increase in wages was fully passed to you. Actually, the farmers would absorb most or all of that and land prices would go down. So, in a nutshell – you would still have pretty cheap veggies to nourish your selfish little heart.

I hope that doesn’t dim you revolutionary fervor. Vive Harry Truman!


Posted by: kevin9 | April 24, 2010 5:23 PM
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Here in California wine country (& lemons and limes and flowers, avocados and strawberries...) the going wage for illegal farm workers is $12 a hour. Tomatoes are grown on tall racks in hydroponic green houses, and harvested directly into protective containers mounted on rails. It's very fast and efficient.
http://www.sherrysgreenhouse.com/oldsite/GHLaurelwood.html

Posted by: WilliamBlake | April 24, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

P..iss on Arizona.

Posted by: irkulyen | April 24, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

and let's not forget the 22 Tribes of Arizona. That's sovereign land and Arizona can't be running around the reservations looking for undocumenteds.

Undocumented is the politically correct term.

And where's the Revenue dept. in Arizona? Non-existence, when tax time comes around--------they could investigate so much through plaing old tax forms. But they don't.

Local law enforcement have so much power down here to begin with. And Sheriff Joe is running for Governor.

Anyone want to see the FACT SHEET on the law?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 24, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Police officers don't care to engage in establishing citizenship. It hampers their investigative efforts when the populace won't talk to them due to fear of being deported.

It should be interesting if Arizona officers truly do not profile. When enough Caucausians get tired of constantly showing ID cards, there might be a backlash to this law.


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Posted by: osmor | April 24, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

The overwhelming support for this new law in these comments is precisely the reason why it's so important that the federal judiciary is a separate and co-equal branch of government. This law won't withstand its first court challenge, because it is blatantly unconstitutional. It's also despicable -- not because of its impact upon illegal immigrants, but because of its impact on millions of LEGAL, Hispanic-looking people in Arizona who will now be subject to police harassment based upon nothing but their skin color and facial features.

Arizonans will also find that, should the police there even bother to enforce this stupid law, the effort required to do so will become so overwhelming that innumerable crimes will be committed while police are busy proving that legal citizens of Arizona are, in fact, legal.

Every spring, at least a couple thousand Hispanic/Latino baseball players come to Arizona for spring training with major- and minor-league teams. Now a guy like, say, Rafael Furcal or Adrian Gonzales or Juan Rivera (and most of the rest of the Angels' Hispanic-heavy team) will have to worry about carrying a some sort of state-approved ID everywhere they go, or else they might get harassed or even arrested just for going to get some Chili Cheese Tots at Sonic.

That kind of ethnic-based -- the real word is "racist" -- discrimination is precisely the problem. It's one thing to be steadfast about opposing illegal immigration. It's another to approve of subjecting millions of perfectly legal Arizona residents and temporary workers (like, say, spring training participants) to harassment and the threat of harassment based on a law that practically requires racial profiling.

If I were running Major League Baseball, considering the extraordinary contributions of Latin American players to the game's past and current success, I would pull spring training out of Arizona until this law is repealed or overturned. I personally know that I will not attend spring training there -- which I have done twice in the past five years -- until the law is confined to the dustbin of history.

Posted by: jonfromcali | April 24, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"These people are refugees, refugees from poverty. Many just want a chance and demonizing them is not the answer. We know they work, often jobs US
workers don't want. As for how to fix things, let the USA start with a comprehensive and fair trade and aid package for Mexico.
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The dirty little secret is that there already exists a generous aid package: By not doing much we allow Mexico to dump their excess population into the United States, since the country is too corrupt to provide for their own people.

Believe it or not I have concerns with this bill. But I fully support the notion that since the Federal government hasn't taken action, the state did.

Posted by: bbface21 | April 24, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Why on earth would they check caucasians?

Posted by: shukov | April 24, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been able to find the actual law online yet to read it, but I assume its provisions aren't confined just to people who might "look Hispanic." I'm Polish and was born in East St. Louis, Illinois, 58 years ago. My Mom and Dad were also born in East St. Louis, Illinois. You mean to tell me that if some red-necked police officer decides I look like an illegal Polish immigrant I can be arrested and held until I prove my citizenship? What is this, Nazi Germany? Looks like we'll all have to find birth cerificates from wherever we have them, order certified copies from our friendly State Department of Vital Statistics and carry them around wherever we go. Absolutely ridiculous and blatantly unconstitutional. Where are the Tea Partiers and their Don't Tread on Me flags now? Dick Cheney must be hanging upside down in his cave and rubbing his hands gleefully right now.

Posted by: ejs2 | April 24, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

What happened to the oh so scary latino/hispanic vote in Arizona, if it is so scary. Yeah, just more bluster and weak attempt at blackmail and extortion, on top of identity theft, murder, rape, larceny, drug smuggling, human trafficking, loitering, vagrancy and larceny. Save the empty threats and quit while you're behind, because just as 70% of Arizonans don't give a rats rear about you, 90% of the country doesn't either. So cry us an ocean.

Posted by: hared | April 24, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

NAFTA has done nothing to help either Mexico or the USA and that's part of the problem. US firms have used Mexico for cheap labor and then we get upset when they want to come here......
Posted by: magnifco1000
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Ever hear of GATT? GATT is NAFTA times 1 million.
We could handle NAFTA. It was a good idea.
GATT killed us. GATT is the reason for our 20% unemployment.
Please listen to this interview it explains GATT and describes/anticipates todays world in 1994.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5064665078176641728#

Immigration is used to keep wages depressed and declining with a growing surplus of unemployed labor, it minimises inflation. Google NAIRU.
It also created the homeless who first appeared in 1976 as the borders were broke and illegals flowed in. Libertarian economic theory likes a labor surplus, its good for the employers.

Posted by: WilliamBlake | April 24, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I applaud the effort that someone is finally taking to solve a problem that, I believe, has been going on for way too long. I haven't researched the bill enough to say whether it was written correctly, as I've just read what the journalists and their skewed views have to say on it. But it is definitely a step in the right direction...

Posted by: Petals81 | April 24, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

EJ, do you ever read these comments? Do you ever stop to think about the perspectives of others?

And, to the lady who was thinking about retiring to New Mexico and now thinks differently: do you know the difference between New Mexico and Arizona? Careful! You might end up in west Texas, and then what?

Posted by: rusty3 | April 24, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Most of those who are here came on a de facto invitation, when employment was high and times were good. That is a handshake agreement, and reneging now would not be honorable. That's why those in the know, including Bush, and McCain before he went haywire scared, have always insisted on the right and honest thing -- documentation for those who are already here, better control in the future. People who scream that these people are criminals are only fooling themselves. Most are decent people who arrived here on a de facto invitation, and who have worked very hard to earn their right to stay. I break the law everyday on the way to work, and I am actually endangering people by doing so. And that doesn't make me or 90% of the rest of the people on the freeway, who are also lawbreakers, so bad. Some laws are made to be broken, as it was with the dysfunctional immigration process when times were good, and employers wanted them, and few complained, and they were welcomed, and they did contribute a lot, and for meager wages. So I say, lighten up. Walk a mile in their moccasins first, then tell me about it.

Posted by: johnnormansp | April 24, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

What a brave and wonderful thing to do Gov Brewer.
I congratulate you for having the guts to OBEY THE FEDERAL LAWS THAT ARE ON OUR BOOKS.
Since we have a president who cannot do the job he was elected to do and we have a congress that is as crooked and self serving as the day is long, people such as yourself need to stand up and take action.
Almost 1/2 a million illegals are in Az.
Can you imagine all of that filth and disease rieddled bodies transporting their diseases into the United States.

Posted by: JimW2 | April 24, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Let me see if I have this correct, AZ just passed a law to make it illegal for being here illegally???? WOW, what a concept. Sure wish our Federal Gov't thought being here illegally was a crime!!!

Posted by: Christian1941 | April 24, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Holy Cow… why is it that every issue has to evolve into a racial discussion these days? The new Arizona law does not mandate that law enforcement demand ‘your papers’ like a Gestapo check-point, it mirrors federal immigration statutes, that have gone un-enforced for twenty-four years. Logic and commonsense says, that is why we have the problem we have today.

Where was the outrage regarding the federal 287(g) program, which certifies local law enforcement agencies to partner with ICE in instances of stumbling onto an illegal foreign national in the course of their regular duties? In affect, the new Arizona law is a blanket 287(g) certification for all Arizona officers, once they have completed their training.

Furthermore, the Hispanic American community should be just as outraged, with illegal immigration, as any other American or legal resident, as depressed wages and inaccessible job opportunities are blind to ethnicity.

Posted by: Oscairo | April 24, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Illegals say they are going to boycott Arizona and the citizens are celebrating the announcement.
With great relief that the violent hell spreading into their neighborhoods as drop houses and disease might be over, the Arizona people seem fresh and feeling the horrible nighmare burdening their wallets is ending.
It appears they are saying "please illegals boycott us" thank you.

Posted by: dottydo | April 24, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

People always say what took place in Germany (Jewish forced to wear a yellow star) could not happen here. Well it has.

If Arizona is concerned about illegals EVERYONE should have to wear proof that they are citizens or legal immigrants in full view - blue for American citizens and red for legal immigrants. Why not? Officers would not have to stop and ask and could spend their time doing what they were hired to do - police work.

Posted by: rlj1 | April 24, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse


Why would they check Caucasians?

White skinned people or of European origin.

So what about the mixed marriages?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 24, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Too bad that the extreme right has captured the Republican Party. And that party now has no capacity for shame in Arizona or anywhere else.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | April 24, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

We have more immigration because of NAFTA, the goal of which was the movement of capital, goods and labor. This is exactly what was supposed to happen under NAFTA. The political system has not caught up with the economic reality.

As for Governor Jan "Crow" Brewer, she will go down in infamy for opening the door to fascism in America. Teabaggers should stop invoking the Founding Fathers because they have nothing in common with them. The progenitors of the teabaggers are the treasonous Confederates. They hated our constitution too.

Posted by: sunnyday1
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NAFTA was sold in Mexico, saying that it would make it easier for Mexicans to move to America. At the same time it was sold here, that it would eliminate the reasons to immigrate.
But without GATT, NAFTA would be managable.
Immigration is used to keep labor surplus and workers wages flat and or declining.
Remember, America does not exist for the working class. America is for the mercantile class. Workers are a commodity to be exploited.

Posted by: WilliamBlake | April 24, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

rlj1--

that's what was happening at the protest for the last 2 days. The yellow star of david (is that what is was) of WWII were being worn on the arm.........

i sense alot of violence out of this law.


Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 24, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse


illegal is a hard word to use.

undocumented is much better.

folks come to America for the better life.
It has always been free enterprise.

Now, if one crosses the Arizona border in the middle of the night, don't they have a right to be documented.

The cops pick them up, (or dead bodies are found in the morning), but deem it a crime by the mere fact that they crossed the border. Why not have "documenting stations"? What a concept, no?
What was Ellis Island?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 24, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Too bad that the extreme right has captured the Republican Party. And that party now has no capacity for shame in Arizona or anywhere else.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | April 24, 2010 7:07 PM
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80% of the country are against immigration, and have fought against it for FORTY YEARS,
Are you deaf dumb and blind, 'citizen'?

Who do you think the Patriot Act was to guard against?
Muslims?
We now have our own domestic secret police, keeping wacth for 'domestic terrorists'.

Posted by: WilliamBlake | April 24, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Merianya wrote 6.32pm :

"The last time I checked, murder, kidnapping, prostitution, hiring illegal or undocumented immigrants and trafficking in drugs, weapons and humans were already illegal. Arizona’s problem isn’t a lack of laws to protect its residents; its problem is with enforcing the laws it already has".

Try enforcing the laws on people who have no personal or family trace in the State or the U.S.

Think before you write. As more and more drifting illegal people populate the state how will the police use normal methods to find violators of any law already on the books? Typical idealistic and unthinking verbiage!

Posted by: HarGru | April 24, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Hurray, I'm so glad that this bill was signed. I'm sure it will be overturned by the lib sympathizers, but perhaps eventually it will get the lazy US Government into enforcing immigration laws.

Posted by: cmastr | April 24, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

someone please explain what is "shameful" about this bill? on the one hand, arizona should be lauded for stepping up and cracking down on illegality in immigration when washington has been too cowardly to enforce laws itself. on the other, this bill does call for discrimination, indeed it prohibits it. if liberals dont trust the government to enforce this law then they will have a hard time making the opposite argument when it comes to wanting the government to expand its power over the health care, use and energy and investment decisions by people who are actually supposed to be here. under, you know, THE LAW.

Posted by: dummypants | April 24, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

illegal is a hard word to use.

undocumented is much better.

folks come to America for the better life.
It has always been free enterprise.

Now, if one crosses the Arizona border in the middle of the night, don't they have a right to be documented.
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and yet you want it to be a crime NOT to buy health insurance??? and its a crime NOT to fill out the census? so the bottom line for liberals is that mexicans should have more freedoms in america than americans??

the upshot of the first two years of the obama administration is that liberals have gotten so overconfident that they have exposed to americans their topsy-turvy sense of right and wrong.

Posted by: dummypants | April 24, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been able to find the actual law online yet to read it, but I assume its provisions aren't confined just to people who might "look Hispanic." I'm Polish and was born in East St. Louis, Illinois, 58 years ago. My Mom and Dad were also born in East St. Louis, Illinois. You mean to tell me that if some red-necked police officer decides I look like an illegal Polish immigrant I can be arrested and held until I prove my citizenship? .........
Posted by: ejs2 | April 24, 2010
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If your 58 your old enough to remember America before we had immigration, before they started mass immigration in 1965, and broke the borders in 1975 to flood the country with illegals. As you should know immigration was ended in 1928 because we were considered full.

Immigration had historicly been used to oppress the working class. That was the purpose of 'breaking' the borders in 1976 in order to flood the country with a permenant surplus of labor, in order to break inflation by breaking the prosperity of the working class. Thats the continouing purpose of immigration, to keep a high level of unemployment. For reasons of monetary policy. To keep a strong petrodollar.

Posted by: WilliamBlake | April 24, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I have had a "liberal" outlook on most issues for most of my 62 years. But on this issue, I agree with the new law in Arizona. The federal government has absolutely refused to enforce their own laws. Therefore, it is up to the states to do it.
My wife is a LEGAL immigrant. We would have no problem with the police, noticing her heavy foreign accent, asking for her ID. No problem. We are proud of having gone through the immigration process 100% in accordance with the law.
Let's see who else can or can not say the same thing.
Send back the illegals.

Posted by: Arjuna9 | April 24, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

What I don't understand is the people who are crying "racial profiling" are not offering a solution to the problem. I can only guess why. The solution they want is: a path to citizenship or amnesty. In other words, to legalize the 15 million or so illegal immigrants, who once legalized will bring in millions more (family members through the government's reunification programs). We are currently in such deep economic s---, can we really afford all this? And, by the way, do we have the right to enforce our immigration laws? Are we a sovereign country? Or are we such wimps we can be controlled by groups representing people who should not be here in the first place?

If Arizona is able to overcome the legal challenges and implement this new law, all the illegals need to do is move to one of the other 49 states and wait for Obama's amnesty package.

Do we really want to solve the illegal immigration problem? Why are we so conflicted? Is it all about pleasing a huge voting bloc? In other words, is it all about politics?

Posted by: aquapura | April 24, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Hurray, I'm so glad that this bill was signed. I'm sure it will be overturned by the lib sympathizers, but perhaps eventually it will get the lazy US Government into enforcing immigration laws.

Posted by: cmastr | April 24, 2010 7:24 PM


...it won't be overturned, no matter what Bama says; Arizona is in a war of state's sovereignty, and it will see this through to the end...

Posted by: hared | April 24, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Well, you have to agree that in politics that's the way how it goes. Being just and fair is not a common word in this field. Though, I can still say that it does not imply to all.

Posted by: johndonnerie | April 24, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

First of all, if you lived in Arizona and witnessed the problem for yourself, you may have a different view. It's easy for someone in the northeast to be judgmental because you aren't living the problem. (Of course you in the northeast are judgmental about a lot of things.)

Second, if you are concerned about illegals coming across the Mexican border, isn't it logical to suspicion a person with Spanish features? No different than profiling a 40 year old person, obviously Arab, when suspicioning a terrorist activity.

Third, as with most issues the state will do much better job than the federal government ever will.

Posted by: thehamptons1 | April 24, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Americans won. Global elites lost. Suck on it, EJ! Just SUCK on it.

Posted by: poopie1 | April 24, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

The need to carry proper ‘papers’ falls squarely on Arizona's Latino population -- including those born and raised in the Grand Canyon State.
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ha, ok so then since the income tax falls on whites disproportionately relative to their actual percentage in the population, so that means it discriminates against whites and in favor of blacks and hispanics? thats the sort of logic you have to endorse to be against this bill.

and what about AFFIRMATIVE ACTION? thats ACTUAL discrimination not just 'disparate impact' yet we abide by it because it is good for the country. so is this bill.

unless we want the welfare state to collapse even sooner by bringing in 15, 20, 30 million more immigrants who trend poor and will thus will suck off the tit of the welfare state of people who have been here for generations and whose ancestors built this country.

liberals want to throw this country to hell and americans arent gonna let that happen.

Posted by: dummypants | April 24, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

A poster claims:

"The majority of Mexican/Americans are for this bill, so it's not racist".

The fact is that not a single non-white legislator voted for the law.

Posted by: RamonFHerrera | April 24, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

...liberals want to throw this country to hell and americans arent gonna let that happen.

Posted by: dummypants | April 24, 2010 7:46 PM |

...they don't care, because they are just as parasitic as the illegals that they defend, and can care less about leeching off of the accomplishments of others...

Posted by: hared | April 24, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Just wondering. There are those in Arizona that suspicion Obama's citizenship. If he goes to Arizona could he be asked to produce documentation? Again, just wondering.

Posted by: thehamptons1 | April 24, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse


This is an excellent perspective:

Our Founders were illegal immigrants

http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061228/news_lz1e28hogelan.html

http://tinyurl.com/ydyfcu4

Posted by: RamonFHerrera | April 24, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

in part, and from the record:

SB 1070 makes changes to laws relating to the enforcement on immigration laws, failure to carry an alien registration document, day laborers, harboring or transporting illegal aliens and employer sanctions.

History
8 U.S.C. § 1373(c) requires Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to respond to inquiries by federal, state, or local government agencies seeking to verify or ascertain the citizenship or immigration status of any individual within the jurisdiction of the agency for any purpose authorized by law, by providing the requested verification or status information.

Laws 2007, Ch. 279 enacted the Legal Arizona Workers Act (Act). The Act: expands aggravated taking the identity of another person or entity to include the intent to obtain employment; prohibits an employer from intentionally employing an unauthorized alien or knowingly employing an unauthorized alien; requires the Attorney General (AG) or county attorney to investigate complaints and classifies filing a false and frivolous complaint as a class 3 misdemeanor; provides for license suspension for the first violation; requires license revocation on a second violation during a probationary period; and after December 31, 2007, requires every employer to utilize E-Verify to verify employment eligibility. Laws 2008, Chapter 152 further amended the Act.


Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 24, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

shameful? Do you have a mental disorder? Why did I have to wait in line like a dog for 10 years to become a citizen? Why are you discriminating against me a person who played it by the rules? It is obvious you are only a person of theory who has never had to work a day in your bubble life you sick academic.
But it is not shameful for people to break our laws and disrespect our culture, abuse our social services and commit crimes?

I am planning on suing the federal government for failing to enforce immigration laws.

Posted by: bluebee8 | April 24, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

johnnormansp ~ Hmm ~ handshake agreements ~ honor?

Get real. My ancestors (on the Indian side) didn't agree to any of this stuff, and the ones on the Sa'ami side were moved aside more than once to make way for English people who had no business being here.

Now I'm supposed to worry about the "honor" of rejecting the idea of being pushed aside by Spaniards.

They're really no different than the English before them.

Best to keep this debate on a rational footing and just leave the emotions out of it.

Posted by: muawiyah | April 24, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

E.J., Your article would have been more appropriate if you had covered the issues of which is the greater crime?

1) The governments irresponsibility in maintaining a secure border...
2) Failure of law enforcement officials to prosecute illegals who are here in the U.S., and have broken the immigration laws?
3) Racial profiling ?

E.J., Your distorted views are reprehensible! You're taking the sides of people who have broken our laws!
The Governor has taken the proper steps to protect the citizens of her state!

Posted by: SeniorVet | April 24, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

and yet you want it to be a crime NOT to buy health insurance??? and its a crime NOT to fill out the census? so the bottom line for liberals is that mexicans should have more freedoms in america than americans??

the upshot of the first two years of the obama administration is that liberals have gotten so overconfident that they have exposed to americans their topsy-turvy sense of right and wrong.

Posted by: dummypants | April 24, 2010
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POLITICAL RAP

The Democrats-
Liberals (meaning social democrats like FDR) are not for immigration. They believe in democracy. They follow Keynes economic theories.

Neoliberals are for immigration, like Jimmy Carter. They are different. They follow Hayek, and Friedman. They are influenced by Leo Strauss.

The Republicans-
Conservatives are not for immigration, preferring a stable peacefull society with 'old fashioned' values.
They usully followed Lionel Robbins, and later Hayek economic ideas.

NeoConservatives are for immigration.
They follow Hayek, as modified by Milton Friedman's economic theories.
They also govern according to the ideas of Leo Strauss. Always honor the Gods, you know...

This will help...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk

Posted by: WilliamBlake | April 24, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

The abhorrent and racist bilge that propagates this comment section should embarrass and and all who participate. Is there no possibility that for a reasonable discussion of the implications of how to best stem the tide of illegal immigration without resorting to the hateful filth being spewed forth here?

Call me naive, but there is a solution that doesn't involve governmental overreach, governmental inaction and right-wing paranoia.

Posted by: Avi1968 | April 24, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse


Provisions
Enforcement of Immigration Law
• Prohibits law enforcement officials and law enforcement agencies of this state or counties, municipalities and political subdivisions from restricting or limiting the enforcement of the federal immigration laws to less than the full extent permitted by federal law.
• Requires officials and agencies to reasonably attempt to determine the immigration status of a person involved in a lawful contact where reasonable suspicion exists regarding the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation.
• Stipulates that if the person is arrested, the person’s immigration status must be determined before the person is released and must be verified with the federal government.
• Stipulates that a law enforcement official or agency cannot solely consider race, color or national origin when implementing these provisions, except as permitted by the U.S. or Arizona Constitution.
• Specifies that a person is presumed to be lawfully present if the person provides any of the following:
 A valid Arizona driver license.
 A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.
 A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
 A valid federal, state or local government issued identification, if the issuing entity requires proof of legal presence before issuance.

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Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 24, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

This law is not about immigration. It is about being in this country legally. There is a world of difference.

I live in Arizona, less than 100 miles from the border. Every day I see illegal aliens strolling though the hills, leaving their trash behind them. Every day I read about illegal aliens killing, robbing, stealing identities, kidnapping and running drugs. Illegal aliens cost this state 1.2 BILLION dollars a year in public services they steal. They also take thousands of jobs away from citizens and legal residents. (And, no, it is not jobs that Americans won't do. Just two days ago 300 illegal aliens were fired by a Phoenix supermarket chain for working with stolen identities. Last week, the NY Times reported that half the illegal aliens in this country have white collar jobs.)

If the federal government won't fulfill its responsibilities to keep our borders secure then it is up to each border state to do so. Arizona is just the first.

Posted by: kronberg | April 24, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

The abhorrent and racist bilge that propagates this comment section should embarrass any and all who participate. Is there no possibility that for a reasonable discussion of the implications of how to best stem the tide of illegal immigration without resorting to the hateful filth being spewed forth here?

Call me naive, but there is a solution that doesn't involve governmental overreach, governmental inaction and right-wing paranoia.

Posted by: Avi1968 | April 24, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

more Provisions (in order as the fact sheet outlines:

• Requires that if a person is convicted of any state or local law, on discharge from imprisonment or on the assessment of any monetary obligation imposed, ICE or U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) must be immediately notified.
• Authorizes a law enforcement agency to securely transport an unlawfully present alien to a federal facility.
• Requires a law enforcement agency to obtain judicial authorization before securely transporting an unlawfully present alien to a point of transfer that is outside of Arizona.
• Prohibits, except as provided in federal law, officials and agencies of counties, cities, towns or other political subdivisions from being prevented or restricted from sending, receiving or maintaining information relating to the immigration status, of any individual or exchanging that information with another governmental entity for the following official purposes:
 Determination of eligibility for any public benefit, service or license.
 Verification of any claim of legal domicile if legal domicile is required by law or judicial order.
 If the person is an alien, determination of the person’s compliance with federal registration laws.
 Pursuant to federal laws regarding communication between government agencies and federal immigration agencies.


Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 24, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

last provisions:

• Stipulates that these provisions does not implement, authorize or establish and cannot be construed to implement authorize or establish the REAL ID Act of 2005, including the use of Radio Frequency Identification (RFID).
• Allows a person who is a legal resident of this state to bring an action in superior court to challenge officials and agencies of the state, counties, cities, towns or other political subdivisions that adopt or implement a policy that limits or restricts the enforcement of federal immigration laws to less than the full extent permitted by federal law.
• Requires the court to order any that a violating entity pays a civil penalty of at least $1,000 and not to exceed $5,000 for each day that the policy has remained in effect after it has been found to be violating these provisions.
• States that the court will collect the penalty and transmit the collected monies to the state Treasurer for deposit in the Gang and Immigration Intelligence Team Enforcement Mission (GIITEM) Fund.
• Authorizes the court to award court costs and reasonable attorney fees to any person or any official or agency that prevails in a case brought under these provisions.
• Indemnifies officers against actions brought under these provisions, except if the officer has been adjudged to have acted in bad faith.
• Stipulates that these provisions are to be implemented consistent with federal immigration law protecting the civil right of all persons and respecting the privileges and immunities of US citizens.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 24, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Are any of you LIBERAL IDIOTS reading the news from Mexico? This murderous rampage is about to spill over into the United States and all Obama does is worry about the civil rights of Hispanics. Listen, you jerk, you'd better start worrying about the civil rights of WHITE PEOPLE, because we're tried of this PC nonsense! Go Arizona - and if Obama and his Chicago thugs try to stop you the citizens of California, New Mexico, and Texas will come there to support you! We have a vested interest in doing something the Federal Government doesn't seem able to do.

Posted by: georges2 | April 24, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Arizona. Isn't AZ the state whose people withheld Martin Luther King's special day for so long?

Posted by: FirstMouse1 | April 24, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Avi1968, you and your self-righteous bilge have no place here. You obviously do not live near the border. You obviously do not have relatives who've been shot at by illegals and coyotes. You obviously have not had your land trashed by this trash coming in from Mexico! It's people like you who are ruining this country with you pc/liberal/socialist/idiotic comments. Say! I have an idea. Why don't you come down and spend a few nights at our ranch on the Mexican border? That way, you could talk to these illegals and maybe hug them and tell them how much you understand them and that you're in their corner and that you wish all of their relatives would come over, too. But I'll make sure you have a rifle, a couple of guns, and two or three knives just in case the particular illegal you hug isn't really all that understanding.

Posted by: georges2 | April 24, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

If a white man robs a store, is it racial profiling to state his race in a description of the thief?

Posted by: tjonathan0 | April 24, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

WE STOLE IT FROM THE SIOUX, YOUR HONOR!

Let's remember that the "Indian" or so-called "Native American" peoples migrated here from Asia, and so should be called "early Asian immigrants" if you left wing screwballs don't want to use the word "American." Should we all go back where we came from, and leave the land to the wild animals? Would the Indian tribes be better off going back to Communist China, or living here in the United States?

All this liberal delusional guilt trip reminds me of the State of Minnesota dispute with the Chippewa/Ojibway Tribe over Mille Lacs Lake land. The Chippewa complained that their land had been taken by the evil white man. When asked on the stand by the liberal federal judge where the Chippewa got the land, the tribal leader proudly and candidly said, "we stole it from the Sioux, your honor." That was good enough for the federal judge! We have a country now, the United States of America, with the rule of law and the best protection of individual rights in the history of the world. So get over our history, Dionne, you DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DESTROY OUR CONSTITUTION to make yourself feeeel better!

BOTTOM LINE: If America goes down because of the treason of the Neeeew World Order globalist sellout by these political party traitors, NOBODY is going to have freedom again ANYWHERE in the world. Think about that you whiny Canadian Communist Dionne. What makes you think you will be something special in the New World Order? You'll be eliminated just like the rest of us. If you want to be suicidal with your leftist delusion, go ahead, but don't turn homocidal and take real Americans and the country down with you! Get down to the border and see what the real world is like.

Posted by: IowaPatN | April 24, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Willful Failure to Complete or Carry an Alien Registration Document

• Specifies that in addition to any violation of federal law, a person is guilty of willful failure to complete or carry an alien registration document if the person is in violation of 8 U.S.C. § 1304(e) or 1306(a).
• Stipulates that the immigration status may be determined by:
 A law enforcement officer who is authorized by the federal government to verify or ascertain an alien’s immigration status.
 ICE or CBP pursuant to 8 U.S.C. § 1373(c).
• Prevents a person convicted of the new offense from being eligible for suspension of sentence, probation, pardon, commutation of sentence, or release from confinement on any basis except for as authorized by the Director of the Arizona Department of Correction until the sentence imposed has been served or the person is eligible for release due to early release credits.
• Requires the court to order the person to pay jail costs and an additional assessment of:
 At least $500 for a first offense.
 Twice the amount the person was ordered to pay for the first offense if this is the second or subsequent offense.
• States that the court will collect the assessments and transmit the collected monies to the Department of Public Safety for deposit in a special sub-account of the account established for GIITEM.
• Stipulates that monies in the sub-account are subject to legislative appropriation for distribution for gang and immigration enforcement and for county jail costs relating to illegal immigration.
• Stipulates that any record that relates to the immigration status of a person is admissible in any court without further foundation or testimony from a custodian of records if the record is certified as authentic by the government agency responsible for maintaining the record.
• Makes a first offense a class 1 misdemeanor.
• Increases the penalty to a class 3 felony if the person commits the offense while in possession of:
 A dangerous drug (A.R.S. § 13-3401).
 Precursor chemicals used to manufacture methamphetamine (A.R.S. § 13-3404.01).
 A deadly weapon (A.R.S. § 13-3101).
 A dangerous instrument (A.R.S. § 13-105).
 Property used for committing an act of terrorism (A.R.S. § 13-2308.01).
• Makes violations a class 4 felony if either:
 It is a second or subsequent violation.
 Within 60 days, the person has been removed from the U.S. either under 8 U.S.C. § 1229a or 8 U.S.C. § 1229c.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 24, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

yes, first mouse

We couldn't get the Super Bowl (1996) if we did not honor the MLK holiday.

So we did and have had 2 Super Bowls.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 24, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Unlawfully Picking up Passengers for Work

• Specifies that it is a class 1 misdemeanor for an occupant of a motor vehicle that is stopped on a street, roadway, or highway to attempt to hire or hire and pick up passengers for work at a different location, if the motor vehicle blocks or impedes the normal movement of traffic.
• Specifies that it is a class 1 misdemeanor for a person to enter a motor vehicle that is stopped on a street, roadway or highway in order to be hired by an occupant of the motor vehicle and to be transported to work at a different location, if the motor vehicle blocks or impedes the normal movement of traffic.
• Specifies that it is a class 1 misdemeanor for a person who is unlawfully present who is an unauthorized alien to knowingly apply for work, solicit work in a public place or perform work as an employee or independent contractor.
• Defines solicit and unauthorized alien.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 24, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Its Gestapo time in Arizona. Skip the documents and just force all suspect folks to where an appropriate arm band. My advice to white folks is to stay away from the beach at Rocky Point and from the tanning rooms.

A number of folks talk about safety from the acts of the illegals. So did the Nazi's about Jews, Catholics and Homosexuals. But, there was no safety issue then and there is none now. Its all paranoid fantasy.

And, finally, there is the hypocrisy of profiting on the illegals cheap labor costs. Smacks of the Nazi's and the Russian force labor policies that resulted in many deaths from exhaustion and undernourishment, etc.

Maybe Arizona should secede from the Union along with Texas.

Posted by: pbarnett52 | April 24, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Ok Dionne, what it YOUR solution to the Illegal Immigration problem just in Arizona where it has HALF A MILLION Illegals?

Oh yeah, stick your head in the sand, Dionne. Pretend there IS no problem. Ignore the utter failure of the Federal Government to solve it.

Posted by: dave19 | April 24, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Why hasn't the White House doofus said anything about the murdered rancher's civil rights, or the civil rights of CITIZENS of Arizona.

Posted by: hared | April 24, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

"A crime to be here illegally". That's funny.

Posted by: RVZ555 | April 24, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

The guy that posted the Public Enema lyrics is a real genius. Call a whole state racist by pasting the words of an anti-Semitic, racist rap group. That's how clueless so many of you people are.

Posted by: RVZ555 | April 24, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

The Governor of Arizona indignantly asserts that racial profiling will not be permitted during the enforcement of this dandy piece of legislation.

Of course, the big question is what criteria will local police use as the basis for approaching people on the street and demanding to see their "papers". Yes, it is indeed a matter of some complexion.

One possibility -- require all legal Latinos to wear armbands with a symbol (a star, perhaps) to show their status. That would make it much easier to identify the illegals -- at least the illegal aliens that are the real focus of this legislation.

Perhaps Arizona law enforcement would be well served to get special training for this new mission -- I hear that the Gestapo Handbook makes excellent reading...

Posted by: labman57 | April 24, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

You libs and your BONEHEAD in the WH are pathetic. Take a trip to Juarez Mexico. There are no laws there. Maybe you'd feel less abused. I hear the housing is cheap, they speak something other than English and the life expectancy for cops is 6 months

Posted by: porchfan | April 24, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Right here in Montgomery County, we have a billion dollar deficit. Yet our County Executive, Ike Leggett and one of our representatives, Chris Van Hollen, stood in front of a group of 500 plus people 2 months ago and pledged to support the following:

Equal rights under the law.

The right to health care.

The right to housing.

The right to in-state tuition.

All without regard to an individual's legal status as a citizen. $250 million dollars a year are spent directly and indirectly supporting illegal aliens in Montgomery County. Since Ike Leggett rabidly refuses to let the Montgomery County Police Department work with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), illegal aliens from the surrounding counties that do work with ICE are streaming into Montgomery. A Prince William County, VA policeman said it best, Montgomery County has put out the welcome mat for the poverty, drugs, gangs and every other problem that comes along with illegal immigrants.

Posted by: tjonathan0 | April 24, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

That explains why Maryland's local and county taxes are higher than it's state taxes, and why illegal alien women drag around at least three EIC farts.

Posted by: hared | April 24, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

when i read this it seems the grand sympathizers are really interested in cheap labor and thats all.

There is just alot of people coming over here a lot. It is kind of alarming. Jeez. Balkanization happens. It is not a good thing. Maybe we can talk about ways to help mexico become a better country ,or would that be racist.

Posted by: shakes3 | April 24, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

The police in Phoenix have a special squad for kidnapping, crime is on the rise for one reason and one reason only, illegal aliens. Los Angeles has become a third world city, states are broke, Obama has nothing but criticism for Americans, next time you vote think long and hard, about your freedom.

Posted by: xthat | April 24, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

For all you whiny socialists who side with un-American illegals and against our country because you believe we "STOLE" the Southwest from poor Mexico, ask yourselves who Mexicans stole Mexico from? The Spanish defeated and suppressed the native Aztec Indians in modern Mexico territory to claim it. Then transplanted Spaniards in Mexico defeated the mother country and declared independence.

Sound familiar?

Posted by: bbwk80a1 | April 24, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

It seems Arizona is full of amateur Constitutional "scholars," just like the teabaggers. But this is typical for a certain breed of Americans. They get ripped off by the banks for hundreds of billions of dollars, but who do they go after in revenge? The gardeners and the street orange- and flower vendors. Go figure.

How curious that this country, where most people suffer no want, has fostered such avaricious, greedy, and vindictive shiiteheads. We'd be better off if we got rid of these types rather than the Mexicans who come here to earn a living.

Posted by: RichardHode | April 24, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I have to show my driver's license when pulled over. What's the problem with this law?

Posted by: charlietuna666 | April 24, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

What is wrong with you? You are not the one living down there with people getting killed, kidnapped, shot at, terrorized by the Drug Cartel. You & your elite butt needs to get down there & live right on the border & see what it is like before talking about something you have no knowledge. You are just like the rest of these so called commentators that judge things you know nothing about. You go down there & live on the border in the most dangerous spot there is for about a month & then you make your comments. You know it alls just make me sick to my stomach.

Posted by: egw7777 | April 24, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

What is wrong with you? You are not the one living down there with people getting killed, kidnapped, shot at, terrorized by the Drug Cartel. You & your elite butt needs to get down there & live right on the border & see what it is like before talking about something you have no knowledge. You are just like the rest of these so called commentators that judge things you know nothing about. You go down there & live on the border in the most dangerous spot there is for about a month & then you make your comments. You know it alls just make me sick to my stomach.

Posted by: egw7777 | April 24, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

NO AMNESTY, NO MATTER WHAT!

Posted by: bbwk80a1 | April 24, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I am against illegal immigration. Arizona has passed a bad law that will be nullified by the Supreme Court. However, if Congress had gotten off it's rear and passed legislation instead of working 4 days a week and campaigning for re-election, progress would have been made to solve this situation. I have often visited Sedona on vacation, but I won't be spending my money in a state that uses gestapo tactics to corral individuals to jail under these circumstances. Racial profiling is exactly what this is and I see nothing but ugliness ahead. How many politicians in Arizona carry proof of citizenship/legality on their person? White people better not get a suntan in Arizona this summer, unless they want to be stopped by the police.

Posted by: Listening2 | April 24, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

E J, like so many liberals is sooo concerned about rights, especially the rights of ILLEGALS, SOCIALISTS, VIOLENT CRIMINALS, FEMALES, AS LONG AS THEY LEAN TO THE LEFT, MINORITIES, etc, etc, etc. Now I'm not saying that most of the illegal immigrants from MEXICO are any of those things which I just mentioned, I'm just pointing out that the "liberal elite" cares about the rights of all those whom I mentioned, and more, but they never seem to care about the rights of "middle class", God-Fearing, decent, hard working AMERICAN CITIZENS WHO ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR THE OTHERS!

THE GOVERNOR OF ARIZONA IS A "GREAT AMERICAN " AS I SEE IT. SHE IS MERELY OBEYING THE CONSTITUTION OF BOTH HER STATE AND THE USA, BY ATTEMPTING TO PROTECT THE LIVES AND PROPERTY OF THE CITIZENS OF HER STATE.

ANY TIME THE HARD WORKING PEOPLE TRY TO DEFEND THEMSELVES, THE LIBERALS ATTACK THEM AND TRY TO MAKE THEM IMPOTENT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.

"WE THE PEOPLE" HAVE TAKEN A BACK SEAT TO THE POLITICIANS AND THE LIBERALS TOO LONG, BUT WE WILL NO MORE. WE THE PEOPLE ARE AWAKENED AND WILL NOT GO BACK TO SLEEP. AND WE THE PEOPLE WILL TAKE CARE OF THE "PEOPLE'S" BUSINESS THIS NOVEMBER ON ELECTION DAY BY VOTING THE LEFTISTS OUT.

WE'LL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!

Posted by: barrysal | April 24, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

E J, like so many liberals is sooo concerned about rights, especially the rights of ILLEGALS, SOCIALISTS, VIOLENT CRIMINALS, FEMALES, AS LONG AS THEY LEAN TO THE LEFT, MINORITIES, etc, etc, etc. Now I'm not saying that most of the illegal immigrants from MEXICO are any of those things which I just mentioned, I'm just pointing out that the "liberal elite" cares about the rights of all those whom I mentioned, and more, but they never seem to care about the rights of "middle class", God-Fearing, decent, hard working AMERICAN CITIZENS WHO ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR THE OTHERS!

THE GOVERNOR OF ARIZONA IS A "GREAT AMERICAN " AS I SEE IT. SHE IS MERELY OBEYING THE CONSTITUTION OF BOTH HER STATE AND THE USA, BY ATTEMPTING TO PROTECT THE LIVES AND PROPERTY OF THE CITIZENS OF HER STATE.

ANY TIME THE HARD WORKING PEOPLE TRY TO DEFEND THEMSELVES, THE LIBERALS ATTACK THEM AND TRY TO MAKE THEM IMPOTENT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.

"WE THE PEOPLE" HAVE TAKEN A BACK SEAT TO THE POLITICIANS AND THE LIBERALS TOO LONG, BUT WE WILL NO MORE. WE THE PEOPLE ARE AWAKENED AND WILL NOT GO BACK TO SLEEP. AND WE THE PEOPLE WILL TAKE CARE OF THE "PEOPLE'S" BUSINESS THIS NOVEMBER ON ELECTION DAY BY VOTING THE LEFTISTS OUT.

WE'LL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!

Posted by: barrysal | April 24, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

In defense of the bill, this all turns on what is "reasonable." If racial profiling is not reasonable, then this doesn't sanction racial profiling. It's hard to imagine what could arouse reasonable suspicion, but it's not obvious that this law necessarily permits racial profiling.

Posted by: TheThinkingMansMan | April 24, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

E J, like so many liberals is sooo concerned about rights, especially the rights of ILLEGALS, SOCIALISTS, VIOLENT CRIMINALS, FEMALES, AS LONG AS THEY LEAN TO THE LEFT, MINORITIES, etc, etc, etc. Now I'm not saying that most of the illegal immigrants from MEXICO are any of those things which I just mentioned, I'm just pointing out that the "liberal elite" cares about the rights of all those whom I mentioned, and more, but they never seem to care about the rights of "middle class", God-Fearing, decent, hard working AMERICAN CITIZENS WHO ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR THE OTHERS!

THE GOVERNOR OF ARIZONA IS A "GREAT AMERICAN " AS I SEE IT. SHE IS MERELY OBEYING THE CONSTITUTION OF BOTH HER STATE AND THE USA, BY ATTEMPTING TO PROTECT THE LIVES AND PROPERTY OF THE CITIZENS OF HER STATE.

ANY TIME THE HARD WORKING PEOPLE TRY TO DEFEND THEMSELVES, THE LIBERALS ATTACK THEM AND TRY TO MAKE THEM IMPOTENT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.

"WE THE PEOPLE" HAVE TAKEN A BACK SEAT TO THE POLITICIANS AND THE LIBERALS TOO LONG, BUT WE WILL NO MORE. WE THE PEOPLE ARE AWAKENED AND WILL NOT GO BACK TO SLEEP. AND WE THE PEOPLE WILL TAKE CARE OF THE "PEOPLE'S" BUSINESS THIS NOVEMBER ON ELECTION DAY BY VOTING THE LEFTISTS OUT.

WE'LL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!

Posted by: barrysal | April 24, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I am against illegal immigration. Arizona has passed a bad law that will be nullified by the Supreme Court. However, if Congress had gotten off it's rear and passed legislation instead of working 4 days a week and campaigning for re-election, progress would have been made to solve this situation. I have often visited Sedona on vacation, but I won't be spending my money in a state that uses gestapo tactics to corral individuals to jail under these circumstances. Racial profiling is exactly what this is and I see nothing but ugliness ahead. How many politicians in Arizona carry proof of citizenship/legality on their person? White people better not get a suntan in Arizona this summer, unless they want to be stopped by the police.

Posted by: Listening2 | April 24, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

E J, like so many liberals is sooo concerned about rights, especially the rights of ILLEGALS, SOCIALISTS, VIOLENT CRIMINALS, FEMALES, AS LONG AS THEY LEAN TO THE LEFT, MINORITIES, etc, etc, etc. Now I'm not saying that most of the illegal immigrants from MEXICO are any of those things which I just mentioned, I'm just pointing out that the "liberal elite" cares about the rights of all those whom I mentioned, and more, but they never seem to care about the rights of "middle class", God-Fearing, decent, hard working AMERICAN CITIZENS WHO ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR THE OTHERS!

THE GOVERNOR OF ARIZONA IS A "GREAT AMERICAN " AS I SEE IT. SHE IS MERELY OBEYING THE CONSTITUTION OF BOTH HER STATE AND THE USA, BY ATTEMPTING TO PROTECT THE LIVES AND PROPERTY OF THE CITIZENS OF HER STATE.

ANY TIME THE HARD WORKING PEOPLE TRY TO DEFEND THEMSELVES, THE LIBERALS ATTACK THEM AND TRY TO MAKE THEM IMPOTENT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.

"WE THE PEOPLE" HAVE TAKEN A BACK SEAT TO THE POLITICIANS AND THE LIBERALS TOO LONG, BUT WE WILL NO MORE. WE THE PEOPLE ARE AWAKENED AND WILL NOT GO BACK TO SLEEP. AND WE THE PEOPLE WILL TAKE CARE OF THE "PEOPLE'S" BUSINESS THIS NOVEMBER ON ELECTION DAY BY VOTING THE LEFTISTS OUT.

WE'LL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!

Posted by: barrysal | April 24, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

In defense of the bill, this all turns on what is "reasonable." If racial profiling is not reasonable, then this doesn't sanction racial profiling. It's hard to imagine what could arouse reasonable suspicion, but it's not obvious that this law necessarily permits racial profiling.

Posted by: TheThinkingMansMan | April 24, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

E J, like so many liberals is sooo concerned about rights, especially the rights of ILLEGALS, SOCIALISTS, VIOLENT CRIMINALS, FEMALES, AS LONG AS THEY LEAN TO THE LEFT, MINORITIES, etc, etc, etc. Now I'm not saying that most of the illegal immigrants from MEXICO are any of those things which I just mentioned, I'm just pointing out that the "liberal elite" cares about the rights of all those whom I mentioned, and more, but they never seem to care about the rights of "middle class", God-Fearing, decent, hard working AMERICAN CITIZENS WHO ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR THE OTHERS!

THE GOVERNOR OF ARIZONA IS A "GREAT AMERICAN " AS I SEE IT. SHE IS MERELY OBEYING THE CONSTITUTION OF BOTH HER STATE AND THE USA, BY ATTEMPTING TO PROTECT THE LIVES AND PROPERTY OF THE CITIZENS OF HER STATE.

ANY TIME THE HARD WORKING PEOPLE TRY TO DEFEND THEMSELVES, THE LIBERALS ATTACK THEM AND TRY TO MAKE THEM IMPOTENT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.

"WE THE PEOPLE" HAVE TAKEN A BACK SEAT TO THE POLITICIANS AND THE LIBERALS TOO LONG, BUT WE WILL NO MORE. WE THE PEOPLE ARE AWAKENED AND WILL NOT GO BACK TO SLEEP. AND WE THE PEOPLE WILL TAKE CARE OF THE "PEOPLE'S" BUSINESS THIS NOVEMBER ON ELECTION DAY BY VOTING THE LEFTISTS OUT.

WE'LL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!

Posted by: barrysal | April 24, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Looking back I have read posts from the far right and the far left. Some from more reasoned readers actually sounded well, reasoned.

One thing is clear. There is an invasion (definition: crossing of national borders without permit) of civilians, some armed in some nefarious activity and some just looking for work. The U.S. Government is paralyzed and has no meaningful means of stopping the invasion. The press is also paralyzed with no investigating journalism whatsoever.

Everybody else rants and raves as their perceived morality and politics dictate. Arizona is trying something different. I hope the experiment succeeds and we all will learn from that. anything else is just whistling among the graves.

Posted by: HarGru | April 24, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

It's perplexing to hear Arizona's GOP howl about illegal immigration since the 6 million population greater Phoenix area, a hotbed of conservatism, where Sen. Jon Kyl and Sen. John McCain reign supreme, is a so-called sanctuary city (cities where police are ordered not to check immigration status of detainees). Yes, Phil Gordon, Phoenix's current mayor is a sort of a Democrat. He endorsed John McCain for President. But, Phoenix was a sanctuary for years and years before he came into office and most mayors were republicans.

You can't drive into any Home Depot without driving through swarms of illegals clambering for work. Only recently, did America's toughest sheriff, Joe Arpaio, phoenix sheriff, respond to criticism about his sanctuary county. Previously, he arrested a young serviceman for detaining a group of illegals that accosted him at a highway rest stop.

The GOP has a split personality. For decades they ignored illegals crossing the borders to take low paying jobs. Some were very public saying we needed them to do work no one else would do. Many spoke tongue in cheek since soon most construction jobs in Arizona were taken by aliens. That displaced unions workers; another GOP victory. Of course, aliens send money back to their original homelands-by the billions. Union workers spend all of their money here.

Now, the GOP cries that the country is overrun with illegals and make a point to harass law abiding Hispanic citizens. Many undocumented Hispanics have been here for decades. They were allowed to cross unguarded borders; allowed to work and pay taxes with little or no documentation; allowed to marry, have families, and raise children. Now, the GOP for political reasons wants to harass and breakup families. That's shameful.

I don't know what the answer is. But, clearly whatever the eventual answer is it will result in another blackeye for the United States. We will be viewed as exploitive and cruel as we rip apart millions of families that were virtually welcomed into the United States when it suited our needs. Deporting 20 million undocumented aliens is no trivial matter. Native born children cannot be deported. Thank you GOP for another unsolvable disaster.

Posted by: Reesh | April 24, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

It's perplexing to hear Arizona's GOP howl about illegal immigration since the 6 million population greater Phoenix area, a hotbed of conservatism, where Sen. Jon Kyl and Sen. John McCain reign supreme, is a so-called sanctuary city (cities where police are ordered not to check immigration status of detainees). Yes, Phil Gordon, Phoenix's current mayor is a sort of a Democrat. He endorsed John McCain for President. But, Phoenix was a sanctuary for years and years before he came into office and most mayors were republicans.

You can't drive into any Home Depot without driving through swarms of illegals clambering for work. Only recently, did America's toughest sheriff, Joe Arpaio, phoenix sheriff, respond to criticism about his sanctuary county. Previously, he arrested a young serviceman for detaining a group of illegals that accosted him at a highway rest stop.

The GOP has a split personality. For decades they ignored illegals crossing the borders to take low paying jobs. Some were very public saying we needed them to do work no one else would do. Many spoke tongue in cheek since soon most construction jobs in Arizona were taken by aliens. That displaced unions workers; another GOP victory. Of course, aliens send money back to their original homelands-by the billions. Union workers spend all of their money here.

Now, the GOP cries that the country is overrun with illegals and make a point to harass law abiding Hispanic citizens. Many undocumented Hispanics have been here for decades. They were allowed to cross unguarded borders; allowed to work and pay taxes with little or no documentation; allowed to marry, have families, and raise children. Now, the GOP for political reasons wants to harass and breakup families. That's shameful.

I don't know what the answer is. But, clearly whatever the eventual answer is it will result in another blackeye for the United States. We will be viewed as exploitive and cruel as we rip apart millions of families that were virtually welcomed into the United States when it suited our needs. Deporting 20 million undocumented aliens is no trivial matter. Native born children cannot be deported. Thank you GOP for another unsolvable disaster.

Posted by: Reesh | April 24, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

It's perplexing to hear Arizona's GOP howl about illegal immigration since the 6 million population greater Phoenix area, a hotbed of conservatism, where Sen. Jon Kyl and Sen. John McCain reign supreme, is a so-called sanctuary city (cities where police are ordered not to check immigration status of detainees). Yes, Phil Gordon, Phoenix's current mayor is a sort of a Democrat. He endorsed John McCain for President. But, Phoenix was a sanctuary for years and years before he came into office and most mayors were republicans.

You can't drive into any Home Depot without driving through swarms of illegals clambering for work. Only recently, did America's toughest sheriff, Joe Arpaio, phoenix sheriff, respond to criticism about his sanctuary county. Previously, he arrested a young serviceman for detaining a group of illegals that accosted him at a highway rest stop.

The GOP has a split personality. For decades they ignored illegals crossing the borders to take low paying jobs. Some were very public saying we needed them to do work no one else would do. Many spoke tongue in cheek since soon most construction jobs in Arizona were taken by aliens. That displaced unions workers; another GOP victory. Of course, aliens send money back to their original homelands-by the billions. Union workers spend all of their money here.

Now, the GOP cries that the country is overrun with illegals and make a point to harass law abiding Hispanic citizens. Many undocumented Hispanics have been here for decades. They were allowed to cross unguarded borders; allowed to work and pay taxes with little or no documentation; allowed to marry, have families, and raise children. Now, the GOP for political reasons wants to harass and breakup families. That's shameful.

I don't know what the answer is. But, clearly whatever the eventual answer is it will result in another blackeye for the United States. We will be viewed as exploitive and cruel as we rip apart millions of families that were virtually welcomed into the United States when it suited our needs. Deporting 20 million undocumented aliens is no trivial matter. Native born children cannot be deported. Thank you GOP for another unsolvable disaster.

Posted by: Reesh | April 24, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I carry a Medicare card, a drivers license, two medical cards and two credit cards in my wallet. Is it too much to ask people in Arizona to carry identification?

Posted by: sportsfan2 | April 24, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey Arizona Law Enforcement, just make sure you stop your share of Crackers!

Posted by: theaz | April 24, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

I carry a medicare card, drivers license, two credit cards and two other medical cards in my wallet. Is it too much to ask people in Arizona to carry identification?

Posted by: sportsfan2 | April 24, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Unlawfully Transporting or Harboring Unlawful Aliens

• Stipulates that it is unlawful for a person who is in violation of a criminal offense to:
 Transport or move an alien in a means of transportation, or attempt to do so, if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that the alien is here unlawfully.
 Conceal, harbor or shield an alien, or attempt to, if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that the alien is here unlawfully.
 Encourage or induce an alien to come to this state if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that doing so would be a violation of law.
• Specifies that a means of transportation used in a violation of these provisions is subject to mandatory vehicle immobilization or impoundment.
• Specifies that these provisions do not apply to a Child Protective Services worker acting in the worker’s official capacity or a person who is acting in the capacity of a first responder, an ambulance attendant or an emergency medial technician and is transporting or moving an alien in relation to emergency medial services.
• Stipulates that violators are guilty of a class 1 misdemeanor and subject to a fine of at least $1,000. However, a violation involving 10 or more illegal aliens is a class 6 felony and subject to a fine of at least $1,000 for each alien involved.
• Requires a peace officer to immobilize or impound a person’s vehicle if the officer determines either that:
 In furtherance of the illegal presence of an alien and in violation of a criminal offense, the person is transporting or moving, or attempting to do so in a vehicle if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that the alien is here unlawfully.
 The person is concealing, harboring or shielding an alien in this state, or attempting to do so in a vehicle if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that the alien is here unlawfully.


Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 24, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I carry a medicare card, drivers license, two credit cards and two other medical cards in my wallet. Is it too much to ask people in Arizona to carry identification?

Posted by: sportsfan2 | April 24, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I live in Arizona. Yesterday, the state changed its motto to "Arizona: the Show Me Your Papers State." In practice, this horrific law will mean that anyone with brown skin can be stopped and asked by law enforcement for proof of citizenship. The reason for stopping people could be something as minor as a faulty taillight. You had better believe that Hispanics and Native Americans are going to be the ones stopped, not this white Caucasian.

Other commenters have already mentioned the singling out of racial and ethnic groups for special enforcement policies. Arizona has its own wonderful example from a 1997 "roundup" seeking potential illegal aliens in a Hispanic neighborhood of Chandler, a city in the Phoenix area. Hundreds of longtime U.S. citizens who were Hispanic were detained. An overzealous police force led by Chief Bobby Joe Harris (not making that up) wound up costing the city millions of dollars in legal damages.

I predict the current new law is going to be buried under lawsuits when it goes into effect in July. But what is really terrible, and frightening about this state and country, is that the d**ned thing got signed in the first place.

Posted by: peck3 | April 24, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

and finally.......

Employer Sanctions

• Provides employers with the affirmative defense that they were entrapped, but they must admit the substantial elements of the violation.
• Stipulates that the employer has the burden of proof proving the following by a preponderance of the evidence:
 The idea of committing the violation started with the officer or their agents.
 The officers or their agents urged and induced the employer to commit the violation.
 The employer was not predisposed to commit the violation before the law enforcement officer or agents urged and induced the employer to do so.
• Stipulates that an employer is not entrapped if the employer was predisposed to violate the law and law enforcement merely provided the employer with the opportunity. Additionally, it is not entrapment for law enforcement to use a ruse or to conceal their identity.
• Requires employers to keep a record of the employment verification from E-verify for the duration of an employee’s employment, or three years, whichever is longer.


Miscellaneous
• Authorizes peace officers, in the enforcement of human smuggling laws, to lawfully stop a person if they have reasonable suspicion to believe the person is in violation of any civil traffic law.
• Authorizes a peace officer to arrest a person without a warrant if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the U.S.
• Establishes the GIITEM fund (fund) and directs monies collected from penalties resulting from policies limiting the enforcement of federal immigration law to the fund.
• Requires the Arizona Department of Public Safety to administer the fund, which is subject to legislative appropriation and is to be used for gang and immigration enforcement and for county jail reimbursement for costs relating to illegal immigration.
• Contains intent and severability, implementation and construction clauses.
• Specifies that this act may be cited as the “Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act.”
• Makes technical and conforming changes.


• ---------- DOCUMENT FOOTER ---------
• Forty-ninth Legislature
• Second Regular Session 5 April 19, 2010

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 24, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse


attention: trespassing wet-back hispanics and whining dirt-ball advocates for social justice & equality

join the victim parade. responsible gun owners have been profiled, open to police harassment, and considered dangerous supects for decades in america.

expect the "dont ask dont tell" homosexual pretty boys in uniform to question, "cuantos pollitos en su familia de policia?"

the issue is not illegal immigration or racial profiling; it is about expanding the notorious & expensive family empire of liberal law enforcement.

vive le terror on corrupt cop cowards and tattooed nicotene dependant mentally ill ptsd police.

Posted by: therapy | April 24, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Immigration reform was passed in 1986. There are no new laws needed, just enforce the ones in place. It's that simple.

Posted by: tjonathan0 | April 24, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse


Joe Arapio is going to have lots of fun.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 24, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

((rolling)

show me your travelling papers or you are goin' to Tent City.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 24, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Here is my new video on immigration

What America looks like after Racist Arizona Immigration law passes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbPI7sU2bxY

Posted by: Delmarghb | April 24, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

I carry a Medicare card, a drivers license, two medical cards and two credit cards in my wallet. Is it too much to ask people in Arizona to carry identification?

Posted by: sportsfan2 | April 24, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse


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Hard to imagine how requiring someone to carry identification is a violation of rights. Trying to think of the place in the constitution that says that you have the right to not carry identification. Anyone find the part of the Bill of Rights that says that? You have to make sure that, just like when you drive, you can go get the ID you left at home.

Posted by: Martial | April 24, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I hope that Arizonia passes their other "show me" law which requires people running for President present their birth certificate.

Posted by: joe59 | April 24, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Before we can even create a good reform bill we must remove all illegal's.

Posted by: askgees | April 24, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

I hope that Arizonia passes their other "show me" law which requires people running for President present their birth certificate.

Posted by: joe59 | April 24, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

This just in about the games these folks like to play:

Gunmen ambushed two police vehicles at a busy intersection in Ciudad Juarez on Friday, killing seven officers and a 17-year-old girl who was passing by, authorities said.

Chihuahua state spokesman Enrique Torres Valadez said six of the police officers were federal, and one was municipal. Authorities said the police officers in the vehicles were distracted by someone selling items on the street when the gunmen opened fire. The assailants then fled in three vehicles

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Don't you want more of them on our side of the border? Mexican Americans who are legally here just don't do this kind of thing. Take a look in your papers and find a case like that. The only Latinos you'll find are illegal aliens and members of gangs run by illegal aliens.

Posted by: Martial | April 24, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Dear georges2,

Because you are whooping in a blind & drunken rage, I am probably wasting my time sharing with you my bona fides (those are big words, I know, but they mean "my credentials"), I grew up in South Texas, and I understand the problem of illegal immigration all too well. My parents moved to Arizona after I graduated from High School. I saw the problems there too. I have family that live in El Paso. I have been to Juarez many, many times. You are blaming all the problems of the drug cartels on ALL Mexicans.

Logic is lost on you, but try to put this in your head anyway: Illegal immigrants and drug cartels are two different issues. Illegal immigrants are the complex result of failure of Mexican society. Drug Cartels are the simple result of the war on drugs, and WHITE AMERICAS insatiable greed for cheap drugs.

Jingoism (I know, another word too big for you), won't solve either of these problems. Neither will racist invective, nor racial profiling. Stopping the war on drugs will take the air out of the cartels, and improving the Mexican economy will keep more Mexicans IN MEXICO.

Chew on that and get back to me with your hate speech and slurs.

Posted by: Avi1968 | April 24, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Identification papers.....Don't leave home without them. Welcome to the new Nazi Germany of 2010

Posted by: johnnyk1 | April 24, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Identification papers.....Don't leave home without them. Welcome to the new Nazi Germany of 2010

Posted by: johnnyk1 | April 24, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Sure, sure, Avi1968, I'm really impressed with what you consider "big" words. And the invitation is still open! I'm blaming this mess on Obama and his do-nothing thugs. I'm blaming this mess on illegals who come in from Mexico. I don't particularly care what they're coming in for, Avi1968 - to deliver drugs or to work in the fields. If they're coming into this country via my ranch then they're illegals. You know what you and your kind can do with your liberal bilge and what you consider "big" words. You ARE the reason for what's happening to this country. We're sick of apologists!

Posted by: georges2 | April 24, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

to the DIMocRATS, LIBs, "progressives" & other DUMB-bunnies,

when you "play the race card" or bring up NAZI Germany in a serious discussion, it means ONE of TWO things:
1. you are too STUPID to make a RATIONAL argument using KNOWLEDGE, FACTS & LOGIC
OR
2.you think that your READERS are STUPID/IGNORANT and/or as big a clue-LESS FOOL as YOU ARE!

NO other choices, DIMocRATS/LIBs/HATERS. but no matter, your strangle-hold on the Congress/USA ends in November; both the DIMocRATS in Congress and BHO will be irrelevant when the new Congress meets in January.

yours, TN46
coordinator, CCTPP

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 24, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

So, what exactly are the AZ citizens supposed to do to protect themselves? How would you like to have your dream home being run through by illegals that should not even be in the country? How well would you sleep at night if you had people crossing your property and committing crimes?

It is bad enough having hordes of illegals filling up properties with multiple families and destroying property values in Herndon, Wheaton and Manassas, but how would you like to live in AZ where all heck is breaking loose and you are powerless?

What is the solution that AZ citizens have RIGHT NOW if they cannot put a bill like this in place?

No, you cannot stop people randomly - this is wrong. But, you know what, our rights are being trampled on, and the government is not protecting us. Illegals are taking up 15% of our services and in AZ and other parts of the country they are scaring people.

So, what exactly is the moderate bill you would propose, that could be enacted immediately, so people can feel protected from people that are not even citizens?

Let's not talk about, "we need comprehensive immigration reform". We know that.

What can the states do RIGHT NOW ? What would you do if your citizens in your state were freaking out and were scared and angry and their lifestyle was being threatened?

Posted by: jackson641 | April 24, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Why does the word "democrat" not appear in the description of the AZ governor? I am sure it is just a coincidence, or would it be incovenient, EJ? Goebbels would be proud of you.

Posted by: PreferenceForTruth | April 24, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't like to go places that codify bigotry.

Posted by: joycewilson1 | April 24, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse


It's like Nazi Germany!

Or it would be if Jews had been trying to sneak illegally into Nazi Germany and when caught were transported back home for free. But other than that, it's like Nazi Germany! Really. Trust me.

Posted by: WylieD | April 24, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

This legislation, idiot, has nothing to do with Spanish people. It has to do with illegal entry to the U.S. When are you liberals going to stop twisting things around? A nation has to watch its borders so as to prevent any invasion, particularly when they become armed invasions as is the case more and more now with invaders from the South.

You love messes, you love chaos. When are you going to shape up? to be normal.

Posted by: grooves12 | April 24, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

This legislation, idiot, has nothing to do with Spanish people. It has to do with illegal entry to the U.S. When are you liberals going to stop twisting things around? A nation has to watch its borders so as to prevent any invasion, particularly when they become armed invasions as is the case more and more now with invaders from the South.

You love messes, you love chaos. When are you going to shape up? to be normal.

Posted by: grooves12 | April 24, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse


The people of Arizona have just sent the federal government a wakeup call. Many people in other states are ready to do the same. Are you listening President Obama and congress?


Other than that, all the fuss, mostly from outsiders with no dog in this fight, is just pure malarkey. The law takes no legal citizens rights away, no matter what color they are. Everyone -- whites included -- if acting suspicious or are involved in a crime of some kind, will have to prove legal citizenship. If you have valid ID, no problem. If not, your troubles are just beginning.


There will be NO AMNESTY for any illegal aliens in this country. They are to be detected and deported, with no chance of returning under any circumstances. That is their punishment! Politicians that try to do otherwise, will be on their last term in political office. The American people have gotten wise to the illegal alien invasion. They do NOT want it to continue!!

Posted by: surfer-joe | April 24, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

This legislation, idiot, has nothing to do with Spanish people. It has to do with illegal entry to the U.S. When are you liberals going to stop twisting things around? A nation has to watch its borders so as to prevent any invasion, particularly when they become armed invasions as is the case more and more now with invaders from the South.

You love messes, you love chaos. When are you going to shape up? to be normal.

Posted by: grooves12 | April 24, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

It is the primary job of the government to protect it's CITIZENS, not it's illegal aliens!!!!!!
OBAMA is a failure in everysense of the word and his reaction is predictable. Every reaction of his is predictable.

The false use of the word "racism" in any case has demeaned the word.

Posted by: kalamere | April 24, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

On the contrary, Arizona citizens can protect themselves: they have some of the most lenient gun laws and some of the best law enforcement agencies in the United States. This legislation is irresponsible and manifests incredible poor judgement of Arizona's elected State officials. It is what one would expect if white supremacists were running the show. It is the stuff of Hate Radio; it is what happens when fear mongering wins out. It is racist, pure and simple, because it solely targets the latino population. What an indelible disgrace. We Americans are better than this.

Posted by: dozas | April 25, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Imagine a state having the sheer gall to try and enforce immigration laws? Folks, get use to it. The arrogant left wing Elites of this nation are nervous about keeping their hold on power. Average working Americans are scared of the massive corrupt spending and debt, the UNEMPLOYMENT, the Corrupt vote buying, the takeover of everything by the Government, the massive taxes, and fees, that every working American is beginning to pay. We all know that every American earnign a paycheck is going to pay for Obama's spending and debt until their eyes bleed!Obama's plan to maintain his power is to buy the votes of tens of millions of illegal aliens for the Democrats by giving them all citizenship. Wait and see!!!!

Posted by: valwayne | April 25, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

In typical fashion, Dionne goes after the wrong party. You just do not get it. Illegal immigration is something the feds need to take care of but are unwilling to touch, especially the dems who believe it would hurt their electoral fortunes. Dionne and others at the WP should take a few minutes to pen a real article... one that discussed the societal costs associated with lax or non-existant enforcement of existing laws. One that looks at the financial costs. One that looks at the impact on healthcare in this country. The problem, of course, is that such an article would require some real intellect or at least interest on the part of the WP and its stable of left wing bigots. (But, hey, those of us who think something needs to be done are just violent racist right-wing nut jobs. While that could not be further from the truth, it is the truth according to the MSM and the WP. Shameful!)

Posted by: sagedutch | April 25, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

In typical fashion, Dionne goes after the wrong party. You just do not get it. Illegal immigration is something the feds need to take care of but are unwilling to touch, especially the dems who believe it would hurt their electoral fortunes. Dionne and others at the WP should take a few minutes to pen a real article... one that discussed the societal costs associated with lax or non-existant enforcement of existing laws. One that looks at the financial costs. One that looks at the impact on healthcare in this country. The problem, of course, is that such an article would require some real intellect or at least interest on the part of the WP and its stable of left wing bigots. (But, hey, those of us who think something needs to be done are just violent racist right-wing nut jobs. While that could not be further from the truth, it is the truth according to the MSM and the WP. Shameful!)

Posted by: sagedutch | April 25, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Pretend, all you law supporters, that you live in a state like, say, New Mexico, where Hispanics are well represented in the state government...maybe even control the state government. Say they decide to pass a law that says all us whities must show proof we're citizens of these United States if the police suspect we may not be. I'm expecting all of you will support their right to pass this law targeting Anglos. Won't you?

Posted by: mamapanda | April 23, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse


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Given where we are on this issue and the Fed's refusal or inability to deal with it, sure. All you holier than thous out there forget that even the simple act of enforcing laws and deporting people who are illegals who commit some other crime has come under fire in many corners of this country. It is truly amazing that this article was written. Where are the articles of disdain from the WP for "sanctuary cities" that choose to look the other way even when an illegal commits another (meaning beyond the crime already committed by entering the county illegally) crime. Of course, far too many of you so-called "progressives" (an oxymoron if there ever was one) would disagree that entering the country without a valid passport and visa is a crime. Can someone please explain this utter lack of concern for the laws of this country? How can you not care about this issue? Will it take a crime spree/act of terror committed by someone who crossed the border to open your eyes or will you even then look the other way?

Posted by: sagedutch | April 25, 2010 1:16 AM | Report abuse

I see no problem with profiling.

The US has a major problem with illegal workers from Mexico so the police need to check on people that look Mexican if they raise suspicion.

The idea of talking about "international terrorism" which is something that Obama wants law enforcement agencies to be bound by is equally dumb because the only international terrorists are Muslims.

So profiling should be used in the case of Muslims, and if it had been used then a lot American lives would have been saved by now.

Israel of course uses profiling and it would be crazy not too.

Western culture, and it's people are being destroyed because of "political correctness" which allows its enemies the freedom to act against it.

Posted by: redmike | April 25, 2010 4:47 AM | Report abuse

So it's "Astonishing" that Americans want the law enforced?? Wow!

Obama was right about it being about "basic notions of fairness". Most Americans think that fairness involves NOT BREAKING THE LAW. Playing by the rules (yes, people, there is a legal way to enter the country) is important to most Americans.

The law is not racist, it does not mention race. It is already a crime to be in this country illegally, so there is nothing new here.

Stop with the hysterical chorus of "racist" and "racial profiling". There is no rational, reasonable, logical way to oppose the bill, so opponents have to resort to name-calling.

Posted by: ARealRealist | April 25, 2010 5:19 AM | Report abuse

So it's "Astonishing" that Americans want the law enforced?? Wow!

Obama was right about it being about "basic notions of fairness". Most Americans think that fairness involves NOT BREAKING THE LAW. Playing by the rules (yes, people, there is a legal way to enter the country) is important to most Americans.

The law is not racist, it does not mention race. It is already a crime to be in this country illegally, so there is nothing new here.

Stop with the hysterical chorus of "racist" and "racial profiling". There is no rational, reasonable, logical way to oppose the bill, so opponents have to resort to name-calling.

Posted by: ARealRealist | April 25, 2010 5:21 AM | Report abuse

the Arizona law is an embarrassment to anyone who believes in basic human rights. But apparently, in America, those rights only belong to White Christians who tote a gun, a cross, and a GOP card. Interesting. Never thought I'd be living in a country that gives lip service to civil rights while mandating the criminality of being born non-white. Oh well, the golden era of America as the symbol of freedom and liberty is crumbling into a totalitarian state, hiding behind walls of fear & misplaced national angst, and brandishing the cross & gun as its primary national symbols. I'm ashamed of Arizona and all those who believe that the way to stop the influx of desperate people seeking a better way of life is to treat them as less than human and pretend it has nothing to do with race.

Posted by: cymric | April 25, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Just as I believe in the rule of law for torture and wire tapping. I believe it works the same for illegal immigration.

These people broke the law and the federal goverment does nothing. They underfunded real fences and put up camera's that don't work. The republicans/ chamber of commerce want cheep labor that drives down real wages. The dems don't want to offend latino constituants.

The Citizens want the laws enforced. 80% of Ar want the law including many latinos because if you haven't noticed there is a drug war drifting north. Guys with guns are invading our country. This is a law and order issue.

With the money we spent on the 2 wars we had enough money to give every illegal immigrant a bus ticket home. With enough left over to send their US kids with them so the families of these law breakers are not broken up.

Feds listen up control our borders before you even talk about amnisty.

Posted by: joejoe2000 | April 25, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Just as I believe in the rule of law for torture and wire tapping. I believe it works the same for illegal immigration.

These people broke the law and the federal goverment does nothing. They underfunded real fences and put up camera's that don't work. The republicans/ chamber of commerce want cheep labor that drives down real wages. The dems don't want to offend latino constituants.

The Citizens want the laws enforced. 80% of Ar want the law including many latinos because if you haven't noticed there is a drug war drifting north. Guys with guns are invading our country. This is a law and order issue.

With the money we spent on the 2 wars we had enough money to give every illegal immigrant a bus ticket home. With enough left over to send their US kids with them so the families of these law breakers are not broken up.

Feds listen up control our borders before you even talk about amnisty.

Posted by: joejoe2000 | April 25, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

The following is a synopsis of Mexico's immigration laws:

• Must be in the country legally;
• Must have the means to sustain themselves economically;
• Must not destined to be burdens on society;
• Must be of economic and social benefit to society;
• Must be of good character and have no criminal records; and
• Must be contributors to the general well-being of the nation.

Enforcement:
• immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;
• foreign visitors (not of Mexican birth)do not violate their visa status;
• foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics;
• foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;
• foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;
• those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.

I especially like "foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics".

Posted by: bethg1841 | April 25, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

This law is an amazing political gift to the democrats. To see why, run thru the numbers.

Suppose one in ten Hispanics in AZ is illegal, and of the rest one in nine forgets to carry their documents.

Then, fully half of those detained will be law abiding citizens or legal immigrants. (Bayes' law gives the probability of a "false positive.")

More realistically, suppose the whole idea of carrying papers so heinously un-American, that no one does it. In that case, 90% of those detained would be citizens or legal immigrants.

The only possible way to make sense of this is if Gov. Brewer is secretly working for the democrats.

Posted by: davisl1 | April 25, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

The silent majority of Americans support this law.

The real scandal is left-wing commentators like this one pretending otherwise. He doesn't even present the facts accurately.

Well done Gov. Jan Brewer!!

Posted by: Gatecrasher | April 25, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

too every DIMocRAT, IDIOT, "liberal" & "progressive",

do ANY of you know HOW to make a RATIONAL argument from FACTS, which requires the use of LOGIC & actual KNOWLEDGE?

based on what i am reading on this thread, NONE of you is able to do ANYTHING but post STUPID, fact-FREE, talking points that came out of the DIMocRAT National Committee.

laughing AT the nitwits, FOOLS & "know-NOTHINGS" from the left.- frankly, NONE of you could "play on the same field with" my 15YO niece, who is a high wschool debater.

perhaps you are "breathing recording machines", who are simply UNABLE to do anything except parrot back what the "DIMocRAT leaders" say?

at any rate, i'm learning that the LEAST capable member of our local county Tea Party group is 80% smarter than 90% of the posters here. = PITY.

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 25, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

FiRST of all, enforcing the law is not "government overreaching." If the immigration laws had been enforced, there would be no need for Arizona to take action. SECOND, a society can only stand so much mayhem before it resorts to draconian laws. I guess they've reached that point in Arizona. THIRD, does Dionne live near the Arizona border where his property, life and family is routinely violated by illegal drug smugglers that nobody is stopping? FOURTH, I don't think the only way a political party can win the vote of God-fearing, family loving, law abiding Hispanic voters is by providing welfare, education, American privileges and unfettered access to people who have not earned it. (legal immigration). No other country in the world allows such abuse. It is unsustainable. ENFORCE THE LAWS, ALLOW LEGAL IMMIGRATION AND CONSIDER A TEMPORARY GUEST WORKER PROGRAM.

Posted by: lynnejt | April 25, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Those in favor of the bill favor US Citizens rights. Those opposed to the bill favor the rights of ILLEGAL Aliens. I guess the Obama SKUNK favors ILLEGAL Aliens over US Citizens. Allow Arizona to enforce the Law. What syllable of ILLEGAL do you not understand?

Posted by: usausa2 | April 25, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

cymric get over yourself. Believing that immigration laws need to be enforced and that illegal immigration has a detrimental impact on society and on the finances of our country is NOT racist. LEGAL immigration of any race is appropriate and part of our fabric. It is far too easy to portray those who want to curb illegal immigration as racist -- it is what the media does and it is what those who lack the ability to think for themselves grasp on to. Oh well... for those who take this approach it is clearly all about politics and not about doing what is right for the country -- what a shock in this day and age!!!!

Posted by: sagedutch | April 25, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

The Supreme Court has already said that on the border, you can be searched for any reason, including none at all, to determine your immigration status.

Away from the border,when motorists are briefly stopped, not for purposes of a search but in order that officers may inquire into their residence status, either by asking a few questions or by checking papers, different results are achieved, so long as the stops are not truly random. Roving patrols may stop vehicles for purposes of a brief inquiry, provided officers are ''aware of specific articulable facts, together with rational inferences from those facts, that reasonably warrant suspicion'' that an automobile contains illegal aliens; in such a case the interference with Fourth Amendment rights is ''modest'' and the law enforcement interests served are significant. Supreme Court decision, United States v Cortez.

Police can require the presentation of ID if they have a reasonable suspicion that the person has committed criminal activity. United Supreme COurt, Hiibel v Sixth Judicial District of Nevada.

The law requires "reasonable suspicion" under Cortez.

They'll take the law up, but it's probably sustainable.

Posted by: Paladin7b | April 25, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a fan of the Arizona state law, but I am a HUGE supporter of the RIGHT to establish a law they may believe works for their individual State!

(We fought ONE war over this premise, remember?)

Posted by: dmedman50 | April 25, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I do have sympathy with those who live in Arizona and who have to deal with vandalism and threats to their families.
This is a very complex problem as the crops need to be picked by someone and apparently white people are not willing to do it. Also most house servants and "nannies" are Hispanic.
The motivating factor for this law is the visceral response to the very real fear of murder and property loss.
This needs to be addressed.

Posted by: leslieswearingen | April 25, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Would quite like to see a Dionne comparison of the minor riots in Arizona, attacks on police and what those terrible Tea Party people have been doing.

Posted by: Tupac_Goldstein | April 25, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Would quite like to see a Dionne comparison of the minor riots in Arizona, attacks on police and what those terrible Tea Party people have been doing.

Posted by: Tupac_Goldstein

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Um, you mean the non-violent rallies? You are either sadly uninformed or a blatant lier.

Posted by: sagedutch | April 25, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives have successfully run the moderates (aka RINOS) from their ranks, and what's left is a gaggle of tea party followers, militia, and (judging from the grammar in the above posts) uneducated racists.

Neither the conservative posters nor Gov Brewer explain how this law will be implemented in a way that doesn't result in innocent people from being arrested, detained, and worse.

It's sad to say that 65 years after the United States made a central contribution to bringing down the Third Reich, Gov. Brewer decided to ape that regime's leadership. I think that we've (as a country) have just forgotten...my father fought in Germany late 1944, spring 1945, but like so many of his generation, he has passed on, and we're ignoring the lessons of history. Our laws have to be consistent with a constitutional structure and need to be based on the premise that we're all human beings.

Posted by: WAcentrist | April 25, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I used to love coming to Tucson in the spring, when the palo verde's are in bloom and the western cardinals are singing in the warm morning sunshine.

I'm sorry, but I can never visit Not-Z land again. I hear Palm Springs is almost as nice.

Posted by: owen1 | April 25, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I used to love coming to Tucson in the spring, when the palo verde's are in bloom and the western cardinals are singing in the warm morning sunshine.

I'm sorry, but I can never visit Not-Z land again. I hear Palm Springs is almost as nice.

Posted by: owen1 | April 25, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Arizona's bill highlights a critical problem. Right now, we're arguing over what we can do to police the second wave of illegal immigration, our current mess. Say we devise some "comprehensive immigration reform", how will we enforce our immigration laws afterward? Are there tools we can't use now that the folks at MALDEF/LULAC/ACLU will allow to be deployed to prevent the third wave of illegal immigrants? I thought not. They will be just as energetic protecting the "rights" of the next millions of criminal illegal entrants.

NO AMNESTY. If we provide a path to citizenship for the current vintage of criminals, we will fight exactly the same fight -- in exactly the same futile way -- in the future.

Viva Arizona!

Posted by: Kurfco | April 25, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

The illegal immigration problem, in America, is reaching crisis proportion. Some states, such as Arizona, are on the forefront of the war zone of crime, drugs, gangs, poverty, and senseless violence.

Such places are becoming extentions of Mexico itself. All the problems of that corrupt, third-world quagmire are bleeding over into Arizona and ruining the state for everybody.

Arizona is leading the way for real, outlaw immigrant reform. The only way that will actually reduce illegal immigration, protect America, and enforce our laws. Obama's way is a fraud. Obama's immigration reform is more of the same failed policies of the past. Why repeat failure, over and over?? It's insanity!

Arizona is an all-American state. I hope more state governors and legislators will have the same kind of guts as Jan Brewer.

Posted by: battleground51 | April 25, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

CEIIH

The solution is to place an incarnation of lorena bobbitt in every region of
mexico. she will have a sharp wilkinson sword in her hands, and begin
hacking off an important piece of every mexican male...hack, hack, hack
.. that'll sharply reduce mexico population, so limit illegal immigration,
and also it will be easy to identify illegal mexican immigrants who cross
the border...

lb = cutting edge illegal immigration halting, CEIIH

Posted by: vk1537 | April 25, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

In response to msmith440068:

To become a US citizen you have to take an oath that includes:

I "Renounce and abjure absolutely and entirely all allegiance and fidelity to any
foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which the applicant
was before a subject or citizen" Section 337(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

One must renounce foreign citizenship to become a US citizen. So although the US allows one to be a dual citizen passively (as in the case of our kids - through birthplace and parentage) and Canada permits it under any situation, the US would require her to renounce her Canadian citizenship.

Posted by: panamint | April 25, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Lets get something straight! Who is paying the illegals to work here? Fine the Americans that are looking for cheap labor $10,000 dollars for each illegal they have working for them. The problem would end in five minutes. The persons that aren,t suppose to be here would return from where they came from instantley. End of story!!

Posted by: winston707 | April 25, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Why is it when the Democrats want to expand healthcare it is described as overreaching government interference; but when the Republicans pass such acts as the Patriot Act or this Azizona Immigration Act it is decscribed as being protective and defending the Constitution from the sedious elements in our society. Can they have it both ways? The Republicans and the main stream media are hypocrtes. The Washington Post is even running to the right for cover and doing a poor job of exposing the far right with all its money backing such fronts as the Tea Party and other front groups.

Posted by: willin46 | April 25, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

to all, but particuliarly to the DIMocRATS; BHO-worshipers & the lunatic LEFTISTS,

truthfully it makes LITTLE difference WHAT/IF you think (MANY of you DIMocRATS are incapable of thought.), as the DIMocRATS are going to LOSE BOTH houses of Congress in NOV.

it won't even be a "landslide" like 1994; instead it will be an earthquake that will simply swallow up the LEFTISTS chances of remaining even an "influence upon" the federal government.

then in NOV 2012, BHO & another 1/3 of the LEFTISTS will be GONE from the US Senate (along with numerous RINOs) & all you "trendy lefties",BIGOTS, "limo libs",south-HATERS, union bosses,FOOLS & "BHO-worshipers" can then sit in the corner, wailing about how you were mistreated by voters, who just couldn't understand how "wunnerful,wunnerful" you are/were.

and to think, DIMocRATS/LIBs, you did it to yourselves, by passing "healthcare reform", when 2/3 of voters just said, NO!
(NO, we moderates/conservatives/Tea Party folks will NOT forget, accept your pitiful/weak excuses or forgive. instead, we will send you packing, starting this Nov!)

fwiw, IF i was a DIMocRAT, who voted YES on "healthcare reform", i would start seeking other employment NOW & OUTSIDE of the Congress.

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 25, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Being one of those who live in a border state with Mexico, I see firsthand the damage and destruction illegals cause. The Federal government, under a weak President who wants nothing more than to give illegals amnesty in order to gain a large voting block, are who should be ashamed. The people of Arizona have spoken, the people of Texas will speak soon. California, well that state can just drop off into the ocean. And New Mexico will change to follow Arizona. I find it interesting that a bunch of know nothings in places like New York, Washington, and Chicago can require that people here live with the crime, drugs, human trafficking, and murders that occur just because they want to be politically correct.

Posted by: shd1963 | April 25, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

If any of you people actually would look passed the koolaid you would know.

THis bill does nothing more than extend the federal immigration law to state LEOs.

It give no new powers to police concerning probable cause or reasonable suspicion.

It's amazing how nobody bothers to read what is actually going on and just takes some idiot opinion writers word for it.

I am a Phoenix hispanic and I support the bill because I KNOW that none of the crap all these idiots are saying about it is even remotely true. All the hispanics I know who actually know what the bill does support it as well.

This bill will hold up in the courts because it is nearly word for word federal immigration law . Brown peopl like myself wont be targeted for random pullovers because our cops are not racists and that would STILL be illegal.

Anyone not living here can shove it as well. OUr population is HEAVILY hispanic and a great deal of our cops are also hispanic. It would not only be illegal but completely unproductive to start pulling over hispanics in the HOPE that they may be illegal.

READ people. READ THE FACT. Not the opinion articles.

Posted by: victorgonzales | April 25, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

The whole thing smells like a fat rat!! called the GOP. The Governor-a republican; a Senator who ran for President and did not win and a State where one Sheriff is lunar.

I understand illegal is illegal but, what does an immigrant look like? Who judges this? Probable cause-law enforcement half the time cannot explain that one in most courts. So, now we are to go with suspicious behavior????? Oh this should be good!!

Look out bikers; light skinned brothers with curly hair; and Indians mistake for Mexicans and Mexicans who are Latino but, from Honduras. Oh, this should be really exciting for a while.

And question??????? What is the percentage of the racial makeup of the Police force in Arizona? Who has the guns? So, is this going to be fair? And this training? Will there be an open manual the public can see and have?

If I were the general public I would carry a copy of that one. I would have a Passport, License; Birth certificate; video cam; camera phone; camera; ride two deep and make sure they record visually and orally. I would make 3 sets of copies just in case and put one set in safety deposit box. Trust Officers-hell no!!!

This will be one more nightmare. Somebody is going to get hurt or killed over this mess. If this "Stupid" Governor had any sense at all and in my opinion she does not because she went on politics and emotions...she would realize what a hornets nest she has opened.

This is one of the Border States that opened its borders when they need labor and votes but, did not think beyond their nose the consequences. If Mexico cannot handle business then, this law is not the exception. Actually it is too late across the country. No one knows what element has been let into the country. Bush opened the door to get votes and even grinned when speaking Spanish-the little he knew. Now they turn on ya. Remember who did this-" A Republican" !! Yes they did. They used you like they did so many minorities.

Posted by: Scar1 | April 25, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. EJ, you're right.

Posted by: jballard701 | April 25, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

EJ Dionne and his cohorts on the left don't care about the difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration.

They don't care that medical and social services are being swamped and bankrupted in border states by the needs of millions of illegal immigrants.

They don't care that young Americans - Black, White, Hispanic and Asian American citizens - can't make a living wage in the construction industry because starting salaries are kept down near minimum wage by an over-flow of young desperate illegal immigrants who will work for any wage offered.

Dionne and the left only care about the political advantage of race-baiting the issue. They accuse anyone who supports enforcing immigration laws of being racist.

Typical WaPost columnist POV. Keep the hate alive with constant false accusations.

And of course racist organizations like La Raza (The Race), are supported by race-baiting leftists like Dionne because racism is a good thing as long as it provides some political advantage to the left.

Keeping the hate alive.

Sick and sad.

Posted by: Parker1227 | April 25, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Race-baiting for political gain. The Mother's milk of the democratic party.

Keeping the hate alive for political advantage.

Sick and sad.

Posted by: Parker1227 | April 25, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

The Race Card is the most rapid-fire all purpose ad hominem and vapid weapon of smear, mass deception AND DEVERSION ever conceived by man. It is a weapon under which weak minds are servilely crouched [that's Thomas Jefferson lingo] and can be fired with the greatest of ease by even the most intellectually and integrity challenged, and in fact, was designed especially for use by them. It is void of justice. It is void of liberty. It needs no footing in rationality. It is, in plain and clear fact, similar to a lynching. It has no expiration date. It doesn’t even appear to have a half life. There are those who theorize that it may continue to exist indefinitely in some form even after time itself has come to an end.

Posted by: FeralCat1 | April 25, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I am a conservative but that doesn't mean I am not sensitive to my fellow beings:

- I believe by far most Mexicans are here in pursuit of a better life through hard work, much of which we need. I don't like that we have to ask them for papers, but we need to address this problem. I am not sure if there is a better way but would surely welcome one.

- I am also sensitive to Americans who's life has been terrorized from robbery, rape, kidnapping, torture, and killing. Unlike many who deride Americans who have a different opinion, I don't have to experience crime from illegals first hand to feel lifelong pain of those that have. I also can understand their rightful anger towards a government that has not done too little for too long.

- The fact that E.J. doesn't even acknowledge that this is a significant problem, let alone conclude that Obama has been irresponsible for not stepping up to the plate on this issue. Exactly what was higher priority for Americans; ObamaCare or immigration reform?

- I hope this lights a fire under Obama to come up with a better solution although I am skeptical that he has the courage. I believe that amnesty is the only thought in his head.

If E.J. doesn't acknowledge this is a significant problem or offer a solution, than I fail to see the value in his opinion. He is just another mouth piece for Obama talking points. I suggest the WP demand that contributors such as EJ provide value for its readers. I think we can all agree this piece is pretty much worthless. We all know Obama's talking points. We don't need E.J. echoing him.

Posted by: houghtas | April 25, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

The whole thing smells like a fat rat!! called the GOP. The Governor-a republican; a Senator who ran for President and did not win and a State where one Sheriff is lunar.

I understand illegal is illegal but, what does an immigrant look like? Who judges this? Probable cause-law enforcement half the time cannot explain that one in most courts. So, now we are to go with suspicious behavior????? Oh this should be good!!

Look out bikers; light skinned brothers with curly hair; and Indians mistake for Mexicans and Mexicans who are Latino but, from Honduras. Oh, this should be really exciting for a while.

And question??????? What is the percentage of the racial makeup of the Police force in Arizona? Who has the guns? So, is this going to be fair? And this training? Will there be an open manual the public can see and have?

If I were the general public I would carry a copy of that one. I would have a Passport, License; Birth certificate; video cam; camera phone; camera; ride two deep and make sure they record visually and orally. I would make 3 sets of copies just in case and put one set in safety deposit box. Trust Officers-hell no!!!

This will be one more nightmare. Somebody is going to get hurt or killed over this mess. If this "Stupid" Governor had any sense at all and in my opinion she does not because she went on politics and emotions...she would realize what a hornets nest she has opened.

This is one of the Border States that opened its borders when they need labor and votes but, did not think beyond their nose the consequences. If Mexico cannot handle business then, this law is not the exception. Actually it is too late across the country. No one knows what element has been let into the country. Bush opened the door to get votes and even grinned when speaking Spanish-the little he knew. Now they turn on ya. Remember who did this-" A Republican" !! Yes they did. They used you like they did so many minorities.

Don't forget McCain-setup children-setup!


Posted by: Scar1 | April 25, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

The main politicians supporting Open Borders want it is so that they and/or their campaign contributors can have serf labor. They would probably prefer actual out-and-out slaves but that is illegal.

Many Democrats also want it so that people illegally in the country can become legal and vote for them.

Does anyone think that many of these Open Borders politicians really care one wit otherwise for the illegals.

Does anyone think that any of them are going to invite these Mexican Indios and Mezclados to join their elite/exclusive golf clubs?

Come to live in their gated communities, other than as servants?

Invite them to their yachts, other than as low paid deck hands and/or servants?

Invite them to their cocktail parties?

Introduce them to their daughters?

The big majority of the Mexicans who have come here/will come here are Indios and Mezclados, not the Spanish descendant light-skinned ruling class of Mexico. This is a form of ethnic cleansing by Mexico's ruling class.

So the Open Borders politicians are aiding and abetting and facilitating a form of ethnic cleansing of Mexico.

If the U.N. were not such a joke, they would all be standing trial for trying to reintroduce a form of latter-day-slavery in the United States and for the mass ethnic cleansing of Mexico.

Posted by: FeralCat1 | April 25, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

OF COURSE OBAMA OPPOSES THIS!

POLLING SHOWS 70% OF THE PEOPLE of AZ APPROVE OF IT.

This tells you everything you need to know about this issue, and this president.

Posted by: TBB3 | April 25, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

We are in trouble when half the population (leftist) start crying that Arizona does not have the right to enforce the law. The only way to determine if an individual is an "Illegal" is to have them show a green card or a drivers licence. I would gladly show my drivers licence to a police officer if it meant enforcing the law. What is so difficult about this concept. We cannot afford open borders!

Posted by: skbeeline | April 25, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

The limousine liberals faithfully followed the 'public speaking points' they received from La Raza;

Used 'anti-immigrant' ('not anti-illegal immigrant').Check
Worked 'Hitler' and 'Nazi' into their rhetoric. Check
Raged that this was a 'violation of The Constitution',even though illegals sneer at American laws.Check

Those of you that support amnesty-your taxes will be raised to support your new 'citizen' buddies.You will shoulder all costs assocaited with the feeding,education and healthcare costs.
Demonstrate the courage of your convictions by posting your address and welcoming illegals to live with you. You first,Mr. Dionne.

Posted by: VirchowsHarlot | April 25, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Our Muslim & Communist president has made it evident that he's a dedicated enemy of the USA.

He's 1) nationalized much of the auto industry & 2) much of the financial industry.

He aims to 3) socialize & ruin the best medical system in the world.

He 4) refuses to complete the fence along our southern border & 5) refuses to enforce our immigration laws.

If one wasn't aware he's an enemy of the Constitution & the people of the USA one would be driven to the conclusion Obama's the laziest president we've ever had. To him, "work" is a nasty four-letter Anglo-Saxon term referring to a subject that's inherently abhorent to him. No wonder he's never held a job in the private economy, he'd not lasted a month pretending to work for a firm seeking to make a profit.

Posted by: LoachDriver | April 25, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Good for Arizona!! Hopefully, other states will follow!!

Posted by: Skippy_Cha | April 25, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Did you see where literally "hundreds" of people protested the new law in Phoenix today? Hundreds!!! I guess that the vast majority of Arizona residents support the law.

Shout out to Victor Gonzales for his statement above about latino citizens, they don't want illegal aliens in the United States as well.

Posted by: tjonathan0 | April 25, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Scar1,

fwiw, STUPID, fact-FREE comments do not improve by posting those STUPID opinions twice.

go learn some FACTS, rather than parroting STUPID "spin"/KNOWING LIES out of the DIMocRATS "talking points".
(fyi, you and MANY other Americans are "being played for FOOLS" by people, who look down on you & wouldn't spit on you if you caught fire, at the DNC.)

then come back here & we'll talk about what those FACTS mean.

FACTS REMAIN FACTS, regardless of what you wish were true and/or choose to believe.

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 25, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

What a horrible inconvenience to have to show your identity. Almost as inconvenient as being dead like the murdered rancher or a kidnap victim like many in Phoenix. All of this hand wringing about having to show a piece of paper to the proper authorities and no sympathy for the victims of crime. And all because the incompetents in Washington D.C. refuse to perform the primary duty of the government which is to keep Americans safe.

Posted by: msj1 | April 25, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

to all,

i suspect strongly that TX will loose our Rangers to stop the criminality along the border.

in case you don't know, "Rangers don't play well with others."
(personaly, i thinik Governor Perry should re-form Company D, i.e., the Frontier Battalion.)

IF that doesn't "calm things down" a great deal, look for the TxBPF to be funded & sent to secure our border.- then, things will get "ugly".

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 25, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

to all,

i suspect strongly that TX will loose our Rangers to stop the criminality along the border.

in case you don't know, "Rangers don't play well with others."
(personaly, i think Governor Perry should re-form Company D, i.e., the Frontier Battalion.)

IF that doesn't "calm things down" a great deal, look for the TxBPF to be funded & sent to secure our border.- then, things will get "ugly".

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 25, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

There might be a better way. How about going after the employers who hire the illegals! If an employer is found with at least 1 illegal, they get fined 100 x the number of days that illegal worked for them. Another; if an employer is found with at least one illegal, their business is forced into bankruptcy!

We have to go after the people that are allowing these illegals to earn a living! That is the only way to stop this process--no job, no reason to stay!

Posted by: hamiller | April 25, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

There might be a better way. How about going after the employers who hire the illegals! If an employer is found with at least 1 illegal, they get fined 100 x the number of days that illegal worked for them. Another; if an employer is found with at least one illegal, their business is forced into bankruptcy!

We have to go after the people that are allowing these illegals to earn a living! That is the only way to stop this process--no job, no reason to stay!

Posted by: hamiller | April 25, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Dude that is like so cool. I mean really.

Lou
www.whos-watching.tk

Posted by: clermontpc | April 25, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

The only ‘hatred’ is hatred of our laws going unenforced.

The only ‘racist’ are those who believe membership in a particular race entitles them to break the law and absorb free public benefits.

As for ‘profiling’, Latinos can thank their law-breaking brethren millions for making it so common to be illegally here in the first place.

And don’t give me any poo about the native Americans. They only show what happens when you don’t enforce your national sovereignty.

Posted by: bushieisa | April 25, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

It is not possible to stop illegal immigration, because those that want a taste of the American pie will keep on coming even if they have to crawl over the border. The solution is to keep the pie growing so illegals also have a bite to eat. It would be a tragedy due to a recession if food became scarce, supermarkets would be guarded with tanks.

Posted by: melpol | April 25, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

First, congratulations to Governor Brewer and the state of Arizona for finally doing the right thing.

Illegal immigration is a much bigger problem than most of America knows. It gets worse with each passing day. There were 12,000,000 outlaw immigrants roaming America back in the 1990s. They keep using the same number but it has increased greatly since then. Today it may be as high as 20,000,000 illegals hiding in the shadows.

Why are they hiding in the shadows?? They certainly are not afraid of the federal immigration authority. Illegals laugh at that. There's nothing to fear from it.

They are hiding out because they are hoping Obama, Reid, and Pelosi will soon grant them all amnesty and free American citizenship.

That is what is keeping them here.

Build the super-fence along the border, put the military in charge of guarding it, require every law enforcement officer in America to help enforce our immigration laws, and make the hiring of outlaw immigrants a federal crime punishable by crippling fines and imprisonment.

And NEVER, EVER let AMNESTY be spoken of again.

Illegal immigration will then become yesterday's problem.

Posted by: battleground51 | April 25, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

One early group of illegal immigrants was Pancho Villa and his gang of cutthroats they used to call "banditos". That was a fearsome name until Frito-Lay created the cartoonish "Frito Bandito". Now "bandito" is laughed at and has lost fearful tone.

Anyhow, back then, they knew how to control outlaw immigrants. They sent General Pershing and the Army to chase them back into Mexico. Ahhhh! The good ol' days.

Posted by: battleground51 | April 25, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Try taking up residence in ANY country in the world, without documentation. Put your offspring in public schools. Demand government largesse. Gather together with your fellow scofflaws and demand your "rights" and just see what happens. Unless the unemployment rate in this country is zero, then we have too many illegal aliens. Mike Rowe proves every week that there are no jobs Americans won't do.

Posted by: jiji1 | April 25, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

This article is a combination of adolescent, moronic and hysterical drivel, based solidly on the Nanny-State-Activist role in which E.J. Dionne is a lead player--posing as a journalist--and who might even convince himself that he's objective.

The sweeping generalizations based on huge exaggerated emotionalism are again perfect to the robotic liberal brain.

Wow, ask someone for ID? Wow!!!!! Unthinkable that by a million to 1 shot, the person may be illegal.?

What did you say officer????? Show you identification?

What is America coming to??

Posted by: mcmick | April 25, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

If you are a legal immigrant or tourist in any other country in the world, you carry your passport or visa. If asked for it you present it and the legality issue is immediately and simply resolved. Why not the USA?

E.J Dione sits in his lofty perch maligning the good folks of Arizona who are finally fed up with all the law breakers. I wouldn't be surprised if Dionne's only contact with illegal aliens is the nightly cleaning crew.

Rancher Robert Krentz was not the first American killed by illegal aliens. In fact, open borders appeasers like E.J. Dionne have enabled TENS of THOUSANDS of Americans to be molested, raped, seriously injured, killed, and murdered by illegal aliens. If there is any justice in the world, he will be the next victim. However, I do not wish it on his family as they are just as innocent as the next victim will be.

Posted by: pfwag | April 25, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

If you are a legal immigrant or tourist in any other country in the world, you carry your passport or visa. If asked for it you present it and the legality issue is immediately and simply resolved. Why not the USA?

E.J Dione sits in his lofty perch maligning the good folks of Arizona who are finally fed up with all the law breakers. I wouldn't be surprised if Dionne's only contact with illegal aliens is the nightly cleaning crew.

Rancher Robert Krentz was not the first American killed by illegal aliens. In fact, open borders appeasers like E.J. Dionne have enabled TENS of THOUSANDS of Americans to be molested, raped, seriously injured, killed, and murdered by illegal aliens. If there is any justice in the world, he will be the next victim. However, I do not wish it on his family as they are just as innocent as the next victim will be.

Posted by: pfwag | April 25, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Shameful, I'll tell you what's shameful Mr. Dionne, Tina Davila being stabbed to death in front of a Houston, TX, area convenience store by an illegal alien while protecting her 4 month old daughter. She left 5 orphans. What's beyond tragic, the death of 9 year old Jordin Paulder. The unassailable truth for these and thousands of other Americans is that they would be alive if our "immigration" laws were enforced. You are a feckless hack, utterly bereft of conscience and completely unfamiliar with the truth.

Posted by: finn43 | April 25, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

It is SHAMEFUL for a government to suppport ILLEGAL ALIENS more than rightful and lawful citizens as we are all immigrants here at one point. The SHAMEFUL government of Obama and the Democrats don't give a damn about you, the citizen unless it is to take more and more of your money to support illegal aliens.

Posted by: kalamere | April 25, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

E.J. Please leave your door unlocked, next time I am in the area, I might want to come in and make a cup of coffee and use the bathroom.

Posted by: callahandj | April 25, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

jserranoucla wrote:

"I am an an undocumented immigrant, I am educated, my family pays taxes, I give to America more than I receive and I love people from all backgrounds. Moreover, God granted me life not to establish borders, but to help my fellow brothers in need."

This paragraphs first line, translated from libspeak, reads, "I am an a criminal, etc."

That singular fact makes the rest of your write less credible, as you've already admitted to finding laws less important than your own, ever so special goals.

Please feel free to get in the line you felt privileged enough to skip on your first entrance, go through the steps all the people less special than yourself must, and join our amazingly diverse family - legally.

If any of your post after the "I am a criminal" bit is true, you (and we) will be glad you did.


Posted by: deadmanwalking | April 25, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

E.J., please leave your door unlocked; when I am in the area I may want to come in and make a cup of coffee and use the bathroom.

Posted by: callahandj | April 25, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

This law is an abomination, bigoted.. and a major victory for the racist republicans and racist tea party morons. I can't do a thing about Arizona politics, but I can vote with my pocket book. I have to regularly travel to Arizona and through Arizona for my professional life and that stops now. I won't be attending meetings there, spending a dime there, and will not plan any meetings there for our organization, while I doubt that my absence will bring the Arizona economy to its knees, I know that if enough people do it Arizona will feel it. Sadly I expect that if the US Supreme Court hear's this case Arizona will prevail and other state's may follow. Maybe the republican bigots and the tea party bigots will be proposing national identity cards, then identity tatoos one for white americans and another for the rest, and finally the death camps. Sound hysterical? nope, they have done this type of thing before.

Posted by: Logan4 | April 25, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

This law is an abomination, bigoted.. and a major victory for the racist republicans and racist tea party morons. I can't do a thing about Arizona politics, but I can vote with my pocket book. I have to regularly travel to Arizona and through Arizona for my professional life and that stops now. I won't be attending meetings there, spending a dime there, and will not plan any meetings there for our organization, while I doubt that my absence will bring the Arizona economy to its knees, I know that if enough people do it Arizona will feel it. Sadly I expect that if the US Supreme Court hear's this case Arizona will prevail and other state's may follow. Maybe the republican bigots and the tea party bigots will be proposing national identity cards, then identity tatoos one for white americans and another for the rest, and finally the death camps. Sound hysterical? nope, they have done this type of thing before.

Posted by: Logan4 | April 25, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

This law is an abomination, bigoted.. and a major victory for the racist republicans and racist tea party morons. The law is bad, but what worries me more are the reader comments. I'm an American Citizen, but I do not' have much hope for our country's future. We are not a nation, and likely will balkanize. 1/2 of the country will not want to live under the ultra right wing laws of the bigoted republicans and moron bigoted tea party people like Arizona, and eventually we will split. Maybe sooner the better. While Arizona is running around chasing Latino's, our global competition will beat us, but Arizona may get what they want for a while the White State of Arizona. I resent that any of my federal taxes go to the new White State of Arizona and its legalized apartheid. Down with apartheid down with Arizona. Long live freedom!

Posted by: Logan4 | April 25, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

AZ just made a federal crime a state crime. Don't you libs see that? My solution: A fine of 10K per month per employee for employers. Hired an Illegal for six months? That will cost you $60K. For employees, courts have ruled it's not unreasonable to have a state issued ID card. (drivers license, etc) Anyone arrested MUST produce ID period. As for the border, I would recall all our troops from foreign lands, (Iraq, Germany, Japan, Korea, wherever) and patrol the northern and southern border with them. Nation Building starts at home.

Posted by: baseballguy2001 | April 25, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

This law is an abomination, bigoted.. and a major victory for the racist republicans and racist tea party morons. The law is bad, but what worries me more are the reader comments. I'm an American Citizen, but I do not' have much hope for our country's future. We are not a nation, and likely will balkanize. 1/2 of the country will not want to live under the ultra right wing laws of the bigoted republicans and moron bigoted tea party people like Arizona, and eventually we will split. Maybe sooner the better. While Arizona is running around chasing Latino's, our global competition will beat us, but Arizona may get what they want for a while the White State of Arizona. I resent that any of my federal taxes go to the new White State of Arizona and its legalized apartheid. Down with apartheid down with Arizona. Long live freedom!

Posted by: Logan4 | April 25, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Logan4,

tell us truly, are you a HATER, a FOOL or just plain IGNORANT?

we Tea Party Patriots want the LAWS enforced, until such time as they are changed by our legistlative branch & signed into LAW & nothing more than that.

IF you really are "so very concerned" about the "plight of the poor & oppressed" take them into YOUR home, feed, clothe, pay for their medical care out of YOUR personal purse & see what a "socialist society" is really like.
BUT do NOT ask anyone else to pay out of our pockets for your SILLY, SELF-righteous, ideas & FOLLY.

the TRUTH is that the REAL racists & bigots reside in the DIMocRATS party, of people who desire something LESS than a color-BLIND America.

btw, the elitists, that run that party of DIMocRAT lunatics, would NOT even spit on you, if you were on fire.

they LAUGH AT & ridicule people like you, who believe their sanctamonious LIES & (like most of America) laugh AT nitwits, who are DUMB enough to believe the DIMocRAT's "talking points".

also, posting the SAME foolish/ignorant/SELF-righteous NONSENSE four times on this thread, makes you look like a FOOL.
(or possibly you believe that your readers are?)

LAUGHING AT YOU!

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 26, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Most of the comments here are similar to the opinions of a modern society that started to agreed with a leader that convinced them that the Jews were to be blamed for all of their problems.
Unfortunately this modern society is ready to repeat the same.
Everything is ready including the trains.
And yes I am a suspect in Arizona because I look Mexican and I have a heavy accent.

Posted by: Carlos_p | April 26, 2010 12:37 AM | Report abuse

The only thing that is disgusting here is
EJ Dionne and his shameful total lack of any honesty or actual knowledge about the real problems in Arizona that led to the
passage by the toughest Immigration Law in
the USA by Arizona and Gov Jan Brewer signing it on Friday 4/23/2010,my friends.

As,just during the last 24hours prior to
her signing it,here in Phoenix area we had
4 violent home invasions by illegal aliens
and one of them ended up with Phoenix Police having to shot and kill one of the
three suspects and left one of his partners
a 15 year old now charged with murder as well,and almost immediately after Gov Jan
Brewer signed it,there were numberous incidents of plastic water bottles being thrown at police by some of 2000 hispanic
and Mexican kids that ditched school to go
protest the bill at the Arizona Capitol and
forced police to use pepper spray to break it up,that EJ Dionne and WAPO don't want you to read about or these punks carrying
and waving Mexican flags and chanting in
Spainish as well either and so let EJ Dionne come live next door here to Illegal
Alien Drophouse,or Mexican Flop House and
see how he would feel about his bs then now
and I will not even bother to go into the
huge numbers of violent crimes committed
all over Arizona like the cold bloodied murder of a Southern Arizona rancher by an
illegal alien that fled back into Mexico!

Hey EJ Dionne get your head out of your butt and come down to Phoenix and see for
your screwed up liberal self the truth about whats going on here or shut up jerk!

A Fed Up Independent Voter In Phoenix AZ!

Posted by: sandy5274 | April 26, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

The only thing that is disgusting here is
EJ Dionne and his shameful total lack of any honesty or actual knowledge about the real problems in Arizona that led to the
passage by the toughest Immigration Law in
the USA by Arizona and Gov Jan Brewer signing it on Friday 4/23/2010,my friends.

As,just during the last 24hours prior to
her signing it,here in Phoenix area we had
4 violent home invasions by illegal aliens
and one of them ended up with Phoenix Police having to shot and kill one of the
three suspects and left one of his partners
a 15 year old now charged with murder as well,and almost immediately after Gov Jan
Brewer signed it,there were numberous incidents of plastic water bottles being thrown at police by some of 2000 hispanic
and Mexican kids that ditched school to go
protest the bill at the Arizona Capitol and
forced police to use pepper spray to break it up,that EJ Dionne and WAPO don't want you to read about or these punks carrying
and waving Mexican flags and chanting in
Spainish as well either and so let EJ Dionne come live next door here to Illegal
Alien Drophouse,or Mexican Flop House and
see how he would feel about his bs then now
and I will not even bother to go into the
huge numbers of violent crimes committed
all over Arizona like the cold bloodied murder of a Southern Arizona rancher by an
illegal alien that fled back into Mexico!

Hey EJ Dionne get your head out of your butt and come down to Phoenix and see for
your screwed up liberal self the truth about whats going on here or shut up jerk!

A Fed Up Independent Voter In Phoenix AZ!

Posted by: sandy5274 | April 26, 2010 12:42 AM | Report abuse

The only thing that is disgusting here is
EJ Dionne and his shameful total lack of any honesty or actual knowledge about the real problems in Arizona that led to the
passage by the toughest Immigration Law in
the USA by Arizona and Gov Jan Brewer signing it on Friday 4/23/2010,my friends.

As,just during the last 24hours prior to
her signing it,here in Phoenix area we had
4 violent home invasions by illegal aliens
and one of them ended up with Phoenix Police having to shot and kill one of the
three suspects and left one of his partners
a 15 year old now charged with murder as well,and almost immediately after Gov Jan
Brewer signed it,there were numberous incidents of plastic water bottles being thrown at police by some of 2000 hispanic
and Mexican kids that ditched school to go
protest the bill at the Arizona Capitol and
forced police to use pepper spray to break it up,that EJ Dionne and WAPO don't want you to read about or these punks carrying
and waving Mexican flags and chanting in
Spainish as well either and so let EJ Dionne come live next door here to Illegal
Alien Drophouse,or Mexican Flop House and
see how he would feel about his bs then now
and I will not even bother to go into the
huge numbers of violent crimes committed
all over Arizona like the cold bloodied murder of a Southern Arizona rancher by an
illegal alien that fled back into Mexico!

Hey EJ Dionne get your head out of your butt and come down to Phoenix and see for
your screwed up liberal self the truth about whats going on here or shut up jerk!

A Fed Up Independent Voter In Phoenix AZ!

Posted by: sandy5274 | April 26, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Once upon a time there was a state adjacent to a country quite lawless, the same mentality began to occurr in the state since millions of citizens from the lawless country entered the state illegally. The section of the state they lived in experienced thousands of magnitudes of criminal activity greater than the law abiding citizens of the state, so, the state, to protect itself from chaos, and anarchy enacted laws that if followed would rid the peacful state of the criminals. The lawyer/ self lishly saw himself as king, stoned as it were continually on smoking, in the countries capital, supposibly being the king with many czars believed the law was bad since the lawless people caste popular votes for him in the phony election, where their votes are meaningless, but since his opponent in the fraudlent election was from this state he felt compelled, as a lawyer, to oppose virtually any new laws from the state, especially since the state of law abiding citizens did not vote for his lordship, and he felt compelled as a lawyer to attempt revenge, because thats his mentality, and the mentality of the ballot masters that enabled him ( their puppet ) to be their choice on the ballot, which has no real meaning and is just a front for criminal activity of stealing porkbarrel money from the treasury and spiriting it out of the country in various and sundry ways, and have a lot in common with the criminality of the adjacent lawless country, who divide the country into classes, treating the low classes like some lessor human species, and elevating themselves ito virtual nobility, living out their service to their country as a time of self enrichment

Posted by: jackcox | April 26, 2010 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Here, here sandy5274! We who live in Arizona know what really is happening with the Mexican influx, while most of the libs have never even SEEN the border!

Posted by: r0339 | April 26, 2010 1:36 AM | Report abuse

So it's not just the majority of Arizonians who are COWARDS for allowing germination of something that smells a lot like the Nuremberg Laws; it's also Media Pundits in Washington who, if they had any balls, would track Senate Bill 1070 back to its sources, the hate group the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) and its legal arm, the Immigration Reform Law Institute (IRLI). You don't need the Southern Poverty Law Center to tell you that the ideological heirs of the "Know-Nothings," the Ku-Klux Klan, Madison Grant, Lothrop Stoddard and John Trevor have finally made it big in mainstream American politics. For FAIR, Mexicans are America's "bacteria" (FAIR's John Tanton) prone to "competitive breeding" (FAIR's Dan Stein) and via interracial marriage turning the U.S. population into a "slimy brown mass of glop" (Council of Conservative Citizens, one of FAIR's favorite bedfellows). A truly important story overlooked by the mainstream media--and one that apparently frightens away commentators--is how hate groups such as FAIR have tirelessly insinuated themselves into state politics to achieve their larger racialist goals.

Posted by: Bailey7 | April 26, 2010 2:48 AM | Report abuse

So it's not just the majority of Arizonians who are COWARDS for allowing germination of something that smells a lot like the Nuremberg Laws; it's also Media Pundits in Washington who, if they had any balls, would track Senate Bill 1070 back to its sources, the hate group the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) and its legal arm, the Immigration Reform Law Institute (IRLI). You don't need the Southern Poverty Law Center to tell you that the ideological heirs of the "Know-Nothings," the Ku-Klux Klan, Madison Grant, Lothrop Stoddard and John Trevor have finally made it big in mainstream American politics. For FAIR, Mexicans are America's "bacteria" (FAIR's John Tanton) prone to "competitive breeding" (FAIR's Dan Stein) and via interracial marriage turning the U.S. population into a "slimy brown mass of glop" (Council of Conservative Citizens, one of FAIR's favorite bedfellows). A truly important story overlooked by the mainstream media--and one that apparently frightens away commentators--is how hate groups such as FAIR have tirelessly insinuated themselves into state politics to achieve their larger racialist goals.

Posted by: Bailey7 | April 26, 2010 2:49 AM | Report abuse

I swear people just like to over complicate issues. Its very simple to stop illegals. Go after the workers/employers of the illegals. No jobs No illegals. Now that wasn't too hard was it? Why do generations of hispanic/americans who are here legally need to suffer because politicians just simply wont after the problem. the employers who hire illegals.

Posted by: a4141519 | April 26, 2010 2:52 AM | Report abuse

"I swear people just like to over complicate issues. Its very simple to stop illegals. Go after the workers/employers of the illegals. No jobs No illegals."

Maybe over simplifying will not work either. Arizona passed the law because of the crime problem (something not discussed in the article).

Going after the job aspect does not eliminate any of the crime. Probably the approach they have taken will not solve the problem either. But it may cause a mass movement from Arizona by illegals and this may give them some relief.

Posted by: golds | April 26, 2010 5:18 AM | Report abuse

Dionne avoids the usual bleating about "comprehensive immigration reform." That tips his hand about being nervous about being another tool for La Raza. Let's be clear: the unspoken truth is that CIR is codespeak for blanket amnesty and open borders. Were opponents of this law sincere, they'd lay out exactly what they want to do instead. That they don't is no great surprise.

Posted by: Puller58 | April 26, 2010 6:08 AM | Report abuse

Yes, CIR is codespeak for open borders. The Dems want to destroy America via south american flooding, all for the purpose of making their party involnerable to voter wrath.

Some facts I have learned while hiring lots of day workers over time are:

The typical south american day worker is no longer from Mexico. He/she is from Guatamala. 80 percent of Guatamala men are now comming to the US to work. A few are also comming from Honduras and from El Salvadore. He stays for 3 to 5 years and then returns to Guatamala for a few months to a year before returning to the US for another 3 to 5 year stay. After his 2nd stay he returns to Guatamala for good. He has no intention to become a US citizen.

The average day worker from Guatamala has a family who he supports in Guatamala. It takes about 10 days for him to transit to the US aboard the Autobus, which charges $5000. The trip home to Guatamala is usually by air at a cost of about $500.

Posted by: rodhug | April 26, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

Dionne: "This is just plainly anti-American, anti-humanitarian.”

I have some concerns about the practical application of the law but it is just the opposite of his contentions ... above.

Posted by: usr105 | April 26, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

The Arizona law is a justifiable response to the Federal Government's manifest failure to defend the nation against foreign invasion. Illegal aliens are killing and kidnapping United States citizens, and the Feds' response is pathetically inadequate. If you actually READ the law, you'll see it's not as bad as hyperventilating lefties like Dionne make it out to be. 70% of Arizonans support it.

Posted by: mike_w_long | April 26, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

The Arizona law is not shameful because it has not yet been implemented. It could be shameful if administered badly, but it is a step towards controlling our borders and our population, Illegal aliens bring many things with them, some of which are very costly to the communities in which they settle. The federal government should be involved in efficient border control, but Congress and various presidents have proved unequal to the task. Consequently, a sensible state government should step in. Be it noted, alleged progressives have lobbied for amnesty cities where illegal aliens can come and go, unhindered by police charged with enforcing the law. It is time the progressives began to think their way through this, rather than pandering to minority groups.

Posted by: sailhardy | April 26, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

There are a number of comments here talking about how our government exploits ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. The people being exploited the most are "WE THE PEOPLE", THE AMERICAN TAXPAYING CITIZEN who up until this time has just sat back as our rights have been diminished by "OPPORTUNIST POLITICIANS". We WILL NOT anymore just "SHUT UP AND SIT DOWN". As Hilary Clinton once said it is PATRIOTIC to object to government policies, even if your objection is deemed to be unpopular.

"WE THE PEOPLE" will assert our rights as AMERICAN CITIZENS. And "WE THE PEOPLE" will be quiet NO MORE.

WE'LL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!

Posted by: barrysal | April 26, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

It is so easy to be critical when all you have are opinions and no involvement. The buffered life of the beltway buffoons keeps them from any sense of reality. Too bad that the common folk pay the price while the buffoons fiddle as the democracy and republic develop cracks to crumble.

Posted by: gupton1 | April 26, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for taking the heat off Virginia for our Civil War Month issue.

Posted by: LMarie1 | April 26, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

My comments as a Democrat:

Do you ever wonder how millions of uneducated, minimally skilled, ungrateful people can illegally invade this country yet have obtained enough power to demand our government to kowtow to their every need while we are forced into accommodating their language and customs while silencing the American people and forcing us to pay without a voice in the demise of our nation?
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Have you wondered where our great leaders have gone; why they appear to have turned into cowards and are afraid to confront the invaders? And when did it become okay with our politicians to turn their backs on the citizens of this nation in favor of criminals from another country that have no right to be here? That have raped, murdered and stolen from our citizens, yet our elected officials have left us to fend for ourselves. Have you lost respect for those we have elected, for American companies that profit from slave wages yet leave our citizens to pay their cost while destroying the security of our homes and our neighborhoods? Have you ever wondered why those that take a stand against this travesty are belittled, called names and are targets for character assassination and investigation?
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You can’t be naïve enough or stupid enough to believe “special interest” groups are driven by compassion and good will! You can’t be ignorant enough to believe that George Sores, Bill White, LULAC, ACORN, LaRaza, Mexico (yes, this 3rd-world country has lobbyist in our nation’s capital lobbying for amnesty)are noble, and self-sacrificing for the good of illegal aliens! You have to know that each has their own selfish agendas: Power, Money, Votes and/or Hate for the USA!
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You have to know we have been brow beaten into submission when the Secretary of the United States (not Mexico, et al) DOL, Ms Solis sends a 1000 inspectors, at the taxpayers’ expense, to known illegal alien work sites across America…NOT to apprehend and deport, BUT to advise them of their Civil Rights...to cuddle and to assure them that regardless of how many Americans are out of work or how many Americans are raped and murdered by them or the billions of American taxpayers' money is used to feed, cloth, house, educate, incarcerate, and accommodate their language, and their culture THAT their rights will be protected before the citizens of this country…AND WE WITHOUT A WHIMPER…LET THIS HAPPEN!
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This is not a left or right issue; it is an American issue. The name calling only exposes a governemnt that has failed its citizens! NO REFORM we no longer believe you are capable of enforcing the laws we already have that addresses what this govenment was going to do, but you have not done anything to protect this country! So you have a state that has had enough. I only wish that Texas was so brave!

Posted by: majorman06 | April 26, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Dionne, but this piece is stupid. Since when is it bad to get illegals out of our country? They drain our welfare system, they wind up in jail whe it costs the states $30-40 thousand dollars per year to keep them. They bring in drugs and more illegals. Time stop this.

The Dems have made sure that our borders are not protected because Obama promised the Unions that each illegal will have amnesty and join the Union and vore for Dems.

Are votes more important than the safety of our states and it's people? Is it OK for illegals to murder our citizens? Is it all right that illegals drain our states' coffers? The Dems don't give a damn for people, only votes.

Gov. Jan Brewer was brave and smart for protecting her constituents when the Feds won't lift a finger to do their job.

Posted by: aaniko | April 26, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

How do you prove you're an American citizen? I was born in Virginia, have lived in the U.S. my entire life apart from a school year abroad program in England, but I never got a card to prove my citizenship.

I do have a passport that shows that, but I am not in the habit of carrying it around, as it a very valuable and hard to replace document. If I didn't have a passport, how would I ever prove I am a citizen?

Posted by: xcrunner771 | April 26, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

For all the bufoons that insist on calling our President a facist without any comprehension of what the term actually means, just look to this bill - this is facism at it's finest.

If the state is to follow through on it's claim that racial profiling is illegal, won't all people in the state be required to carry their "papers"?

I never thought I'd see it. Pitiful.

Posted by: JilliB | April 26, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

WOW - The Arizona Governor signs a bill to enforce the RULE OF LAW in her State concerning immigration issues with the approval of more than 70 percent of Arizonians. The out cry from liberals wants her tared and feathered for doing what is right. Or better still because she is not practicing political correctness! One House Representative from Arizona states the bill is bad legislation and is not the States responsibility to enforce immigration laws. Where has this guy been since he entered Congress. If he feels so strong on the issue, why hasn't he tried to fix the problem? He demonstrates that he is a firm believer in the practice of appeasement or as it is better known "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS".

Posted by: MRGRG-USA | April 26, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I'd like everyone on this forum so far who has posted a comment along the lines of "ILLEGAL immigrants are committing a CRIME" to listen up.

Crimes are committed all the time. Some are heinous, (rape, murder) some aren't (jaywalking, speeding by 5 mph.) Some, like underage drinking, are only dangerous under certain circumstances. As such, hundreds of years of legal precedent (from the Supreme Court back to English common law) have determined the limited powers we are willing to give our police to enforce our laws, and under what circumstances. Our civil liberties have to balance out with the enforcement of the law.

Regardless of how well police are trained in implementing this law, regardless of how much the Governor of Arizona says she wants to avoid racial profiling, let's look at the circumstances here. Who is going to be getting stopped on the street under this law? Hispanics. If a person of Hispanic ancestry gets stopped while walking on the street, and they happen not to have their driver's license on them, they will lose (at the very least) their afternoon straightening out the situation at the police station. This is what is called a civil liberties violation, the unjust intrusion of the police/government on a private citizen's affairs. And this is what will happen hundreds of times over if this law is enforced.

Yes, some illegal immigrants will be caught. But hundreds, if not thousands, of law-abiding citizens will be inconvenienced and discriminated against because of the color of their skin. Criminal investigations will be hindered as illegal residents hesitate to come forward to speak to police. And ultimately, the problem itself (illegal IMMIGRATION, not illegal IMMIGRANTS) will not be solved - if anything, there will simply be an increased incentive for the dangerous development of a market for fraudulent papers.

Posted by: innocent_iv | April 26, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

WOW - The Arizona Governor signs a bill to enforce the RULE OF LAW in her State concerning immigration issues with the approval of more than 70 percent of Arizonians. The out cry from liberals wants her tared and feathered for doing what is right. Or better still because she is not practicing political correctness! One House Representative from Arizona states the bill is bad legislation and is not the States responsibility to enforce immigration laws. Where has this guy been since he entered Congress. If he feels so strong on the issue, why hasn't he tried to fix the problem? He demonstrates that he is a firm believer in the practice of appeasement or as it is better known "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS".

Posted by: MRGRG-USA | April 26, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

"Sorry Dionne, but this piece is stupid. Since when is it bad to get illegal(‘)s out of our country? They drain our welfare system, they wind up in jail whe(n) it costs the states $30-40 thousand dollars per year to keep them. They bring in drugs and more illegals. Time (to) stop this."
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Amen! I completely agree with the above comment, while questioning the legality of the Arizona law. However, I do not live in Arizona and do not see on a daily basis the impact of the illegal immigration on the lives of the Americans residing in Arizona. What I have seen on CNN, PBS, etc. is the devastation that the illegals have caused in the border areas, the gangs and crime to include the recent murder of the American rancher in Arizona. So, before we all jump on the back of Arizona, suggest we walk in their shoes for awhile! The obvious cause of this dysfunctional immigration situation is the failure on the part of the Federal Government for decades to secure the borders and interior of the United States from illegal immigration! Period! USPS, UPS, FEDEX can track all their packages but the Federal Government has no idea the status of the Visas in the U.S. The border with Mexico, while improved, is still not effective in stopping the illegal traffic. While American Hispanics are rightly concerned about the new Arizona law, they are criticizing and beating the wrong horse! If American Hispanics do not recognize the violation of the sovereignty of the United States by these incessant waves of illegals and the threat of terrorism it represents after 9/11, then I question their loyalty to the U.S.! The United States must embrace a secure National Identity Card and must prosecute employers who wantonly employ illegals. The seizure of property and a few years in prison for employers would hasten the resolution of this long term crisis!

Posted by: kemcb | April 26, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Carlos_p; all,

fwiw, my adult/adopted daughter, who was born in Chiapas & a fullblood AI, is a NEW CITIZEN (as of 07/05/09).

she read your post early this morning & N____________ said,

"Daddy, he's not telling the truth. i can talk to someone for 30 seconds & tell you if i'm talking to a Tejano OR a Mexican. i know that he can too."
(fyi, a "Tejano" is a TX-born Latino, who speaks Spanish fluently & is of "once upon a time, Mexican" ancestry.)

to other readers: ANYBODY, who posts on immigration threads & refers to "NAZIs" and/or "racists", is either terminally IGNORANT, a FOOL and/or a LIAR, who is "playing you for a FOOL".
believe NOTHING that they say.

note: my much beloved beautiful/educated/politically active daughter, like the VAST majority of LAWFUL immigrants & NEW citizens DESPISES the "wetbacks", who BREAK our LAWS by coming here UNLAWFULLY.

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 26, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Um-- to all the folks here that say no one can comment "unless we live in a border state," well -- fine.

First, will all you men please be quite about women's reproductive rights?

Second, the Constitution belongs to all of us -- and we are incredibly SICK of conservatives who only support the Constitution when it suits them. Freedom isn't easy -- and isn't only for those who support your own personal opinions.

And, finally -- most of those who are eligible for a "path for citizenship" have American citizenship and can be granted citizenship when their minor children become adults. Why not offer them a path now, collect fines, past taxes and deal with reality -- and then come up with decent work permits and worker's rights so that all workers -- American or foreign get decent wages and treatment.

Posted by: rebeccajm | April 26, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Hmmmm, The Tea Partyer's protest high taxes, or HC, or smaller government and they are called everything in the book by the likes of EJ and his ilk...........Yet when illegals protest a law that is long over due in this country because the federal government has failed to secure our border.....they are welcome with open arms? Whats wrong with that picture?

Reagan tried it in the 80's - it failed terribly - let us learn from our mistakes....SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST - BEFORE and ABOVE ANYTHING ELSE!

Posted by: short1 | April 26, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

We just want our laws enforced like any other sovereign country.

Maybe you have to live in Houston TX where the cowardly, allegiance-compromised politicians reside, to get an idea of how bad it is; maybe your innocents and your life have to be destroyed by illegal aliens to understand; maybe when you realize that your own government has left you to defend yourself, you begin your realization that illegal aliens with the help of our own government are destroying this country and you begin to fight, because of the built up anger and frustration of being ignored BY BOTH PARTIES!

And for the life of me, I can not understand why more (Hispanic) Americans are not just as enraged! Do they really want to live in Mexico et al, because that is exactly what we are becoming! The same corruption of government and businesses, the same disrespect, the same “machismo” attitudes, the same gang mentality, the same “hit and run” culture imported from their 3rd-world country!

The most egregious violation is our own government and American businesses that employ illegal aliens that are motivated by greed and ignorance! I, a passive, slow to boil person, am ready to march in the streets and throw out every last politicians from our local, county, state and federal governments that have failed in their first and most important duty to our citizens and that is not protecting our citizens from this invasion!

Maybe the pain of being violated by illegal aliens has to become personal before…

Posted by: majorman06 | April 26, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

bebeccajm; all,

we readers might take your posts seriously, IF you used CORRECT syntax/spelling/grammar/word choice.

fyi, the word that you were looking for is "QUIET", rather than "QUITE".

furthermore, "murder of the UNBORN" is NOT a solely "woman's issue" any more than "robbery", "assault" and/or "rape" are. - BOTH genders are affected by abortion, including the FATHER of an unborn child, just as EVERYONE is affected by UNLAWFUL entry into our nation.

btw, you "don't want to know" how badly/brutally that MEXICO's police treat ILLEGAL ALIENS, who enter THEIR country. = NON-citizens have NO RIGHTS south of the border.
(tourists from the USA, who visit The Republic of Mexico, should remember that FACT!)

just my opinion.

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 26, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations, Texas Native, and as you know, this has nothing to do with the color of anyone's skin. I have two very handsome sons whose skin is the most beautiful shade of brown, and like your daughter, are Legal Americans very proud of this country! And would be most proud to present their IDs when called upon to do so.
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This does have everything to do with legal status and the security of this nation and our citizens. Those that rely on name calling appear to be the racist since this country is very proud of its "all of its shades in God's rainbow"...we have become extremely angry at those that only promote those that look like themselves in preference - think LaRaza = KKK, it's the very same mentality that Americans will not tolerate! Nor will we tolerate this invasion! I am very proud and blessed to be an American and so are my beautiful sons!

Posted by: majorman06 | April 26, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I say a tracking device is required to be implanted in all ILLEGALS if they are picked up for deportation. Or one of those devices that BUZZES when you leave a store without paying.
Then put HUGE SENSORS like they have in WAL_MART all along the border - may be cheaper than a fence actually

This way whenever illegals walk in along the border OR GO TO WAL_MART - they will beep and we can pick them up.

Posted by: racerdoc | April 26, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

After reading some of these comments, I can see that a great many libs think that anyone that is for Immigration Reform is a racsist. There a over 11 MILLION illegals in this country. Not paying any taxes, getting free services, bringing drugs up from Mexico, etc.

I do not have any issue with LEGAL Immigration. I think there should be programs for DOCUMENTED workers to come up and make a living. No problem with that. I do, however have an issue with anybody just running across the border and you don't know who he/she is or what they are doing here. Aren't people concerned at all about terrorism anymore? How can you know who is in this country if they are not documented? Citizens of the US are tracked by SS numbers, addresses, jobs, etc. You get tracked, so why shouldn't we track immigration?

The US cannot sustain the amount of services that we are "giving" away to non-tax paying individuals. We cannot stand anymore murders eminating from Mexico. THEY ARE KILLING PEOPLE. US citizens, property holders, etc. Wake up America!

I'm not against Hispanic people, but the border is out of control. There has to be a stop to this.

Another comment is about what I read above. Do you call Women's Rights a license to kill unborns? Instead of calling it a women's fertility right, let's just call it murder, which is exactly what it is. Stop softening it. I mean, who would argue about someone's "Rights?" But if you say it is a Right to kill babies, who would not fight for the unborn? Quit dancing around it and call it what it is...MURDER.

Posted by: CaptainAmerica43 | April 26, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

majorman06,

fyi, my daughter is a VOLUNTEER for the approved (but not yet funded) TX Border Protection Service.

she will take "a major pay cut" to join the Service, when it is funded, as she has a GREAT job as an electrical engineer (N_______ has an MSEE & is now a PhD candidate in computer engineering at Rice University - i am VERY PROUD of her.).

i have asked for & been granted the privilege of "giving her the oath of enlistment", when the TBPS is started up.- i wish that i was young/fit enough for service on the border, but i'm "too beat up physically" to do that sort of thing, anymore.
(i'm a retireed LEO.)

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 26, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Securing and protecting the U.S. border is the responsibility of the Federal government. The Federal government has failed miserably to perform its responsibility--illegal immigrants are but one of the problems. Consider drug trafficking and terrorists.

The arrows being shot at Arizona should be aimed at members of Congress and the Presidents who have failed to carry out their responsibilities.

Who is paying whom for what. Do the American people have now to begin bribing their elected officials (as the corporations do) to get them to do the people's business?

Posted by: WinstonSmith1 | April 26, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

majorman06,

fyi, my daughter is a VOLUNTEER for the approved (but not yet funded) TX Border Protection Service.

she will take "a major pay cut" to join the Service, when it is funded, as she has a GREAT job as an electrical engineer (N_______ has an MSEE & is now a PhD candidate in computer engineering at Rice University - i am VERY PROUD of her.).

i have asked for & been granted the priviledge of "giving her the oath of enlistment", when the TBPS is started up.- i wish that i was young/fit enough for service on the border, but i'm "too beat up physically" to do that sort of thing, anymore.
(i'm a retired LEO.)

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 26, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

One other thing...Why doesn't the US Govt. put some pressure on the Mexican Govt. to help out? I'll tell you....because they don't want the amount of people that they have! They do not care whether 25% (or more!) of their population were to illegally enter the US. That's just less poor people that they have to take care off. It makes it the US's problem.

As most people know, Mexico is in a bad way. They are overrun by drug gangs. They have no control of thier own northern border. Police get shot and killed everyday in Mexico. Anyone that has tried to slow down the drug trade in Mexico, is a targeted individual. The drug lords are in control; not the Mexican Govt. Realize this, and you may see what a problem we really do have.

Posted by: CaptainAmerica43 | April 26, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I am not sure of the wisdom or not of the new law. But, I always find it ironic that GOP "don't tread on me" types are always willing to sign up to a repressive law as long as they are confident that their group - white - will not suffer from it.

Posted by: annegreen | April 26, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

to all,

the day that my daughter received her US citizenship (07/05/09), she INSISTED that i take her to register to vote, BEFORE we went to lunch!

when we arrived at the restuarant, where i took her to lunch, she was wearing the "badge" that the ICE had given her before the ceremony & had her little US flag & citizenship documents "in hand" = when our "server" saw what she had, she said, "WOW a NEW CITIZEN!" &
she then spent several minutes accepting CONGRATULATIONS (and several HUGS, from "strangers"!)===> in my experience, Americans WELCOME lawful immigrants & especially "NEW AMERICANS", regardless of race/creed/color/religion/anything else!

to "native-born" Americans: you should be ASHAMED that LESS than HALF of you VOTE each & every election, as the NEW CITIZENS always VOTE & are PROUD to do so!

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 26, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Why is it that only the illegals understand the meaning of illegal? It is well past time to get our heads out of the sand and take action at this abusive attitude of allowing illegals rights and privileges they don't have. Religious institutions are way off target and as a Bishop, I find their bleeding heart attudes as unfounded and mired in self interest. The Arizona Law just passed is a Law that should have been inforced decades ago and only slave labor markets have kept it alive and well through political special interest funds. It is time to wake up Citizen, Freedom is lived by taking self-responsibility along with self-discipline in all phases of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. All the wailing and hailing is coming from the corrupt and inept Mexican government who is dependent on the slave labor markets maintained in USA. Illegal means Illegal! No immunity for law breakers period!!!

Posted by: dlw2010 | April 26, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I am part of our families 2nd generation to be born in this country and you know what all my grandparents came in the legal way. No going though Ellis Island was not easy but they followed the law. Never did they demand anything and they never would have even dreamed about coming into the USA via any other method then the legal way.

Bravo Arizona! It's about time that someone cared about those who actually follow the laws and enforce them! Its only the foolish who say enforcing the law is "shameful" and so I will county Mr. E.J. Dionne among the fools who do not truly understand or care what damage is being done by uncontrolled Illegal immigration.

Because unless you want the USA to become some low third world country you have to enforce the laws you know it make being a citizen mean something...

Posted by: MacGecko | April 26, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

What is shameful are the legal immigrants who do not speak out against the criminal element that is sneaking into this country, killing American citizens who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. What is shameful are the legal immigrants who encourage their criminal-minded brethren to come here illegally, leeching off of America's largess and providing shamefully little in return. They fill our jails by drunk driving, getting into fights, selling drugs and stealing, they fill our emergency rooms with no intent to pay the hospital bill, they waddle over here to deliver their babies, knowing that if their illegitimate offspring is a citizen they have a better chance at staying here.

They come for a "better life" and end up turning whatever neighborhood they move into a tiajuana slum. Obama may cater to them but why must the rest of us? They will never be allowed in his neighborhood and we do not want them in ours.

Posted by: Lee451H | April 26, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

What is shameful are the legal immigrants who do not speak out against the criminal element that is sneaking into this country, killing American citizens who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. What is shameful are the legal immigrants who encourage their criminal-minded brethren to come here illegally, leeching off of America's largess and providing shamefully little in return. They fill our jails by drunk driving, getting into fights, selling drugs and stealing, they fill our emergency rooms with no intent to pay the hospital bill, they waddle over here to deliver their babies, knowing that if their illegitimate offspring is a citizen they have a better chance at staying here.

They come for a "better life" and end up turning whatever neighborhood they move into a tiajuana slum. Obama may cater to them but why must the rest of us? They will never be allowed in his neighborhood and we do not want them in ours.

Posted by: Lee451H | April 26, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

What is shameful are the legal immigrants who do not speak out against the criminal element that is sneaking into this country, killing American citizens who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. What is shameful are the legal immigrants who encourage their criminal-minded brethren to come here illegally, leeching off of America's largess and providing shamefully little in return. They fill our jails by drunk driving, getting into fights, selling drugs and stealing, they fill our emergency rooms with no intent to pay the hospital bill, they waddle over here to deliver their babies, knowing that if their illegitimate offspring is a citizen they have a better chance at staying here.

They come for a "better life" and end up turning whatever neighborhood they move into a tiajuana slum. Obama may cater to them but why must the rest of us? They will never be allowed in his neighborhood and we do not want them in ours.

Posted by: Lee451H | April 26, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the Senator from AZ will weigh-in on this topic now that he is up for re-election...? What do you say, Sen. John McCain?

Posted by: jgmann | April 26, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Dionne has his liberal butt far from the problem and it's no sweat off his back. The ONE Constitutional Duty of the government to protect the borders and its citizens has been a miserable failure for decades. Yet congress passes the unconstitutional crap all the time.

Theft, robbery, vandalism and drug smuggling have always been part of illegal immigration in Cochise County, but murder is not something the cattle ranchers along the Arizona-Mexico border expected to happen to Robert Krentz.

Police say Krentz, whose family has been ranching in southern Arizona since 1907, was gunned down early Saturday morning by an illegal immigrant while out on his ATV tending to fences and water lines on the family's 34,000-acre cattle ranch.
Robert Krentz was known among fellow ranchers as a good Samaritan who often helped injured illegal immigrants trying to cross the boiling desert border into Arizona. But the 58-year-old was gunned down while tending to his ranch Saturday morning.

Posted by: jblast2000 | April 26, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Why should Arizonans do nothing about their state being overrun by illegals?
Try living there awhile and see why action is needed. I did live there and I favor the strictest action possible against illegals.

Posted by: meand2 | April 26, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that when I'm stopped on the road by a police officer, I have to show an ID or have my license run through the system yet this is supposed to be an intrusion on illegals who fill 1/4 of the prisons in Texas.
Try to get into Mexico illegally and you'll rot in their crappy jails unless you have lots of bribe money. Everybody else protects their borders, why don't we?
Obama will be ready with reform called Amnesty. He wants more victims for liberalism and redistribution of wealth than he cares about protecting the citizens in border states.

Posted by: jblast2000 | April 26, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I cannot believe what Arizona has done-taken ten steps backwards. Let's be honest, it’s pure profiling, no matter what they claim, and to prove any different they will eventually have to check everyone’s proof of legality; or are illegal immigrants only from Mexico in Arizona? I’m so glad that Arizona has perfect cops, the cream of the crop, and that “people” have no fear or mistrust of them. More power to ya. And while they’re checking out “zee papers”, expect any kidnapping, gang warfare and whatever else that is scaring you to escalate, because it will. When you are scared you cannot see the truth.

If the laws are not working I would suggest you fix them, not present a blanket excuse to ignore our constitution and the laws of the United States of America. You’re scared – I understand that – but you have gone about “fixing” things in a way I abhor and that is morally wrong. Not profiling – now really, do you actually expect anyone to believe that? Really?

Posted by: julieforBarack | April 26, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"The Mexican narcotic traffic comes through Arizona, and the trash and garbage stays behind. Drug-related kidnapping in Phoenix has reached record highs, and one rancher was killed by the drug runners. Arizona's governor is brave enough to protect the citizens."

Posted by: drzimmern1

Hahahaha! c'mon DR"HIMLER"N1... beg your pardon: drzimmern1, the best way the governor can protect people is reinforcing education and family values that would prevent and stop people (specially young people) to buy, consume and abuse on narcotics and not by having a racial profile law which will only return on republicans with a high political cost (isn't that right hispanic voters from California?) and increase white racist and hate thoughts.

Posted by: Atouk | April 26, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm gonna laugh when all those well-manicured Republican lawns and massive Republican mansions in Scottsdale suddenly get 1000% more expensive to maintain.

"Wait...Enrique, Maria...come back!"

Posted by: StanShmenge | April 26, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

If you are a new convert - like me that had to learn the hard way by illegal aliens themselves or if you are worried about the ill effect that illegal aliens have had on this country, please check FAIR, NumberUSA, and CIS.

And be aware, that all three have been subjected to slander by those wanting to keep you ignorant on the damage. I know because I was a supporter and believed the lie that "they only wanted a better life!" During my realization and 180 degree painful education, I felt isolated and alone and silenced.

Educate yourself...it is that important to know who your enemies are and there are millions in the USA. To start with our media, I can only assume by their denial of this invasion that they are protected, insulated, and choose to stay that way and deliberately fail our citizens by not reporting on the number of murders, rapes, burglaries, deaths attributed to drunken drivers that have no rights to be here, the decline of our schools and our neighborhoods…the decline of Americans’ quality of life is being sacrificed by those that come with a sense of entitlement and with arrogant, bully mentalities!

Of course, we are well aware that we have our own citizens just as guilty, but you can't imagine how much worse these hideous events are when you realize that they could be prevented if our own government had done their sworn obligation to protect our borders and our citizens!

If you choose to stay ignorant or suffer from compromised allegiance, SHAME ON YOU for you bear the blame for all of these travesties against our citizens as well!

Posted by: majorman06 | April 26, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

This author does not know what he is taling about. Regulations for enforcing the law have not even been written yet.
In order to be stopped in Arizona one must have committed a driving infraction and they would only be asked if they had no drivers license. One could also be asked if arrested for a misdemeanor or felony.
Wake up and get out of your ivory towers! Arizona is a war zone because of illegal immigration. And it is bankrupt because of it! The governor has written five letters to Obama to secure the border and he will not even answer. Obama's hiding his head in the sand caused this.

Posted by: John786 | April 26, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

For the party who asked why a legal resident alien from Canada who has lived here for 20 years hasn't yet become a US citizen: if you lived in Canada for 20 years, would you give up your US citizenship? No? Thought not. But of course anyone who lives here - legally - MUST renounce the land of their birth and become an Amurican. News flash - some places actually allow DUAL citizenship (Canada for one.)

Posted by: scottiemac52 | April 26, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

We are all out of Egypt.

Posted by: twstroud | April 26, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

liberal ignorance of free market concepts continues unabated.

Now we have the argument that stopping the flood of illegals will drive up the price of food.

Yet on another thread sponsored by WaPo there are liberals arguing that the government should limit salt intake because Americans are obese.

OK, so a solution is at hand: if the illegals can no longer take the low end production jobs in agriculture, the cost of food will rise. As it gets more expensive we will all eat less. Obesity problem solved!

if you think I'm kidding guess again. We waste an enormous amount of food. We have enormous unemployement in the demographic groups that would benefit from an end to the price gouging of the mexican illegals. Futher our economy would benefit from the multiplier of that money being spent here, rather being remitted to Mexico.

There was much that I admired about Mr Bush, but his position on immigration was completely wrong. These people aren't doing jobs Americans won't do. They are doing jobs that Americans won't do for the price offered. End the flood of illegals and watch the economy improve.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | April 26, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

So is America ready for a "Police State"? Now this is boderline Communist. So, this crazy governor and her buddies devise a law that just "stinks like hell". Will they do suspicious behavior on Whites as well and ask for ID? And since some of them are the drug manufacturers and king pins of it all, who tags them? Fair is fair. And who is to say they are American-could be Russian or KGB? So, only Latino, Latina, Blacks and Indians suspects? Bullcrap? And, this manual-who is writing this crap and who enforces the laws-better yet who interpets them? Oh better have some good dang lawyers and Judges. I envision many lawsuits and civil right violations in Arizona.

So, Whites are you ready to show ID? Passports, Birth certificates? Bet half of you can't find documents in 10 minutes-betcha!!1 Wait til ya stop bikers and some Cartel family member...bye, bye.

Oh this is gonna be really stupid as Roland Martin says. But, ya asked for it and ya reap what ya sow. A Police State.

Posted by: Scar1 | April 26, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Mr Deonne:Its a well known fact that the new media are liberal.There is nothing wrong with that,as a moderate i can be liberal too.But the fact remains we are a nation of laws,without them we have anarchy.I have sympathy for these people,but the fact remains,they are here illegaly.That is they have already broken the law of our nation.Why,because these people are desperate,because their own government has failed them.They are being exploited by buisness who can only survive by cheap labor or want to profit by it.Also our own government has failed the American people in the name of free enterprise by not protecting our borders.We are probably the only nation in the world to do so.I don't know what world you are living in other than the christian thing to do world,but this is geting completly out of hand.The law has to be enforced some time.This nation was built by hard working Immigrants who came here under the same cicumstances,but they came legally.That is they obeyed our nations law.Our most lawless time in history was after the civil war,but at least they were fighting for an ideal,and build a nation,not coming here purposly to have a child so the could live happily everafter.

Posted by: ctharwick | April 26, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

What a red herring and you know it. Anytime anyone is stopped for anything in this country the must provide de facto proof of citizenship because every state requires residents to have a state issued ID care, or state driver's license which you must surrender to law enforcement officers at their request. One of the proudest day's of my wife's life was the day she was issued her green card. She came in the front door and is damn proud of it. I applaud the Governor and the Legislature of Arizona. The Federal Government has ignored the pleas for assistance. Thank goodness that State has finally heard the voice of its citizens.

Posted by: GMnLoudoun | April 26, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

What a red herring and you know it. Anytime anyone is stopped for anything in this country the must provide de facto proof of citizenship because every state requires residents to have a state issued ID care, or state driver's license which you must surrender to law enforcement officers at their request. One of the proudest day's of my wife's life was the day she was issued her green card. She came in the front door and is damn proud of it. I applaud the Governor and the Legislature of Arizona. The Federal Government has ignored the pleas for assistance. Thank goodness that State has finally heard the voice of its citizens.

Posted by: GMnLoudoun | April 26, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Red Herring

Posted by: GMnLoudoun | April 26, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Red Herring

Posted by: GMnLoudoun | April 26, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Let's get real here for a moment. The fact is that Arizona is getting flooded with illegal immigrants, the VAST majority who are coming over the Mexican border looking for opportunity, many of which are violent criminals looking to game the system. Something needs to be done about this, it is an economic and security issue.

The law states "Reasonable Doubt" that means you cannot be pulled over for being brown, however, if you are pulled over for a traffic violation and the Police Officer suspects your license or green card to be fake then it can be investigated.

The problem is that this law was already in place, so, how is a new law going to help if we are not enforcing the old ones?

Furthermore, illegal immigration will always be a problem as long as businesses and corporations want cheap labor and you don't want to pay inflated prices on your goods and services.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 26, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"Obama's hiding his head in the sand caused this.

Posted by: John78"
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Wow, another "The history of America started Jan. 2009 and it's all Obama's fault" poster.

The DHS has a huge investment in Arizona regarding illegal immigration and continues to.

The border is pretty long you know.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 26, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

"What's more misguided then having your military protect some other countries border while neglecting your own.Perhaps this move will get the president doing what should have been done years ago.

Posted by: mturner"
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Except for it is not being "neglected", by the way, what did 8 years of Republican rule do about immigration?

Just asking because I don't know.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 26, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I have nothing against legal immigration the way our costitution lays it out. I whole heartedly applaud Arizona on this immigration bill. "Illegal" is the key word in Illegal Immigrant. Let anyone wanting to become a US citizen, and apply for our assistance, and resources go through the propper channels of becoming a legal US citizen. If they will not make at least that much effort then prosecute them. Most countries in the world today shoot people trying to cross their borders illegally.

Posted by: krazyace1 | April 26, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

In present day Germany police can ask you for papers any time you are stopped.

Last time I checked they're a pretty civilized society and are the most respected nation on earth right now.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 26, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I admittedly have a biased opinion because I live in Salinas, CA and supposedly in one of the "better" parts of Salinas.

Salinas is a huge farming town, there are lots of illegals. In just this year alone there were approx. 11 break-in burglaries in my neighborhood, it's like picking apples off a tree.

There are huge Mexican gangs in Salinas, they rip people off, sell drugs and committed every single homicide in Salinas last year. That's right, there would have been ZERO homicides in Salinas in 2009 if it were not for the Mexican drug gangs.

There were two rapes by Mexicans in my neighborhood last year, I don't fell like my wife or my two teenage daughters are safe. Property values have plummeted disproportionally, I cannot sell my house so either i sacrifice my family's safety or my house, that is the choice I'm left with.

A friend told me to get a firearm, the problem with that is if you actually catch them and shoot them or hold them until the police get there the next day three more of them come and shoot up your house.

Right now I'm not having a problem with this law.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 26, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

This whole illegal immigration thing is strictly about money, that is--profit! Obomba and others who want amnesty don't really give a squat about illegals; If the did then they would be given documentation to be here legally. Obomba wants their vote and he wants big business to have access to dirt cheap laborers who will work under unlawful conditions and have no legal recourse to complain.

Posted by: maphound | April 26, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Too bad the Native Americans didn't have laws like this.

Posted by: ethanquern | April 26, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I have a suggestion, with one caveat.

Lets approve amnesty for all illegals in the U.S.

Lets have an open borders policy and remove all restrictions on immigration.

And the single caveat? Lets do both of these things contingent upon all illegal immigrants residing in the District of Columbia alone.

Posted by: 19481 | April 26, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I am in favor of enforcing our laws. There are immigration laws in place and people have been ignoring them for too long. Something has to be done when people are living here, paying no taxes, and sometimes are nvolved in breaking our laws (beyond the ones they break for being here illegally). The border violence has got to stop - the drug trafficking has got to stop and so does the gang warfare. If we have people here illegally they should have to produce IDs whenever they are asked. A policeman can stop me anywhere at anytime and ask for my ID for whatever reason. Even though I am not a lawbreaker I would not scream about this being an outrage. I show him my ID and I get on with my life...what is the big deal here? If they are here legally, they simply pull out a piece of identification. No one is talking about rounding them up like animals and jailing them and then asking for their ID...Why is producing a piece of paper such a big deal. So what if they are stopped because they are Hispanic or Middle Eastern or from anywhere at all... We need to get back to respecting our laws. Illegals are being used and mistreated in this country. They are paid lousy wages, get no benefits and can make no complaint no matter what is done to them... They need to be sent home and come in through the proper channels. Then they will be afforded all the rights of an American citizen or somewhere who is here legally on a work or student Visa. They can still be asked for their ID then -- just as I can be asked now...so what? How much trouble can it possibly be to take out a piece of paper? I am so tired of this politically correct nonsense...We need common sense. There is a problem with people who are here in this country illegally...What else can we do besides ask for identification to identify these people? This should not be a bit deal to anyone. How crazy everything is becoming. I applaud anyone who comes up with a better - and workable - solution than simply having to show ID. What could be simpler?

Posted by: sheila36619 | April 26, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

ethanquern,

fwiw, LOTS of us AIs have said for a LONG time that we should have STRANGLED Squanto & we wouldn't have all the northeastern LIBERALS in OUR country!

i am reminded of the words of RED CLOUD, of the Lakota Nation:

"The hairy faces came among us & made us promises- more promises than there are leaves on trees. BUT of all the promises that they made unto us, they kept just ONE. They said that they would take our lands away."

rotflmRao!

yours, TN46
(fyi, i'm NOT a "redneck"; instead i'm RED all over.)

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 26, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Kudos to Jan Brewer for having the courage of her convictions in signing this bill, a truly brave act in this day of Political Correctness to the degree of insanity, and in this day of bowing to our enemies and to those who leech off of us.

Arizona is doing what it can to protect herself. Since Obama and the Federal Government is not capable of taking care of the border (if by nothing else than just putting up a g.d.'d fence), then the states will have to do their dirty work for them.

Posted by: bryanmcoleman | April 26, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Shelia wrote:
"So what if they are stopped because they are Hispanic or Middle Eastern or from anywhere at all... We need to get back to respecting our laws. Illegals are being used and mistreated in this country."
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So essentially you are telling me that because of my skin color or ethnicity, I am guilty until proven innocent. correct? I look Middle Eastern, Mexican, etc, but was not only born here have never been to either locale. I HAVE the right to be here AND the Constitution applies to me as well. I dare anyone to tell me this is not my home.

This law, while it's surface intentions may be good, is just a plethora of civil rights abuses waiting to happen. While designed to curtail illegal immigration, I can see American citizens being harrassed simply by the way they look.

Posted by: Don4 | April 26, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Don4,

as another "person of color", may i gently suggest that you go READ the AZ LAW, rather than listen to the INTENTIONAL, premeditated, LIES told by the LEFTISTS/DIMocRATS to FOOL naive/ignorant people?

the FACTS are that the DIMocRAT "leaders", including BHO, are LIARS/CORRUPT & nothing more than that.= they KNOW what the AZ law SAYS, but CHOOSE TO LIE about it.
(that's why i DESPISE all of the LYING DIMocRATS.)


yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 26, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Arbeit macht frei! Jedem das Seine. Governor Jan Brewer is a good Aryan, blond and blue, who is only trying to protect our white race from those Untermenschen. Those who refuse to leave or who threaten the public order should be deported to FEMA camps and eliminated with Zyklon B. Very efficient. National identity cards will simplify the process. I am proud to live and work in Amerika.

Posted by: prolgazinternet | April 26, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

OK - I don't see the issue here. As a US citizen, I am required to carry my passport with me when I am in other countries. I have traveled to at least 30 countries in the last decade and this is an expectation wherever I go.

So what is the problem of requiring non citizens in the US from carrying their passport? If they don't have one, they should be sent packing back to their home country, just like any other country would do to me if I was there illegally.

Don't think that the US is the country with the toughest immigration agency. By my experience, the worst is actually our neighbor to the North.

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Posted by: silahian | April 26, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Let's try this. It's racial profiling only if the reason you're being stopped is based on your color and not on your immigration status. People who are law abiding don't fear this they will have a driver's license etc., only those who know they are wrong will fear this. Come legal or go home.... And any business hiring someone who is not documented should be heavily fined or put out of business. This is the only place where illegal gets treated legally.... Go figure.

Posted by: rxw1985 | April 26, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

American citizens are required to show ID if requested by the police. They do not have to have a reasonable cause to request ID they just don't normally do this during their daily activities unless there is a good reason. All this law says that while in the process of conducting normal business they can request ID to prove you are here legally.

Posted by: johnjrmbo29 | April 26, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

There are so many comments on this excellent article that it's impossible to address them all. But how about this one, by Brad G? Here it is in full:

" I don't understand what the big deal is. What is so bad about making it a CRIME to be in the country ILLEGALLY?

"I always thought illegal = crime but maybe I was wrong."

This can be praised first, last, and (alas) only for its conciseness. Actually, a comma would be good after "illegal = crime"; but on second reading we realize Brad isn't saying "illegal" equals "crime but I was wrong."

Brad's comment is cunning in its simplicity. No one is arguing that "illegal" equals "legal." There is already (or, as Brad would probably put it, if it helped his argument, ALREADY) a law on the books against illegal immigration. The point of the article is that (among other things), this bill empowers the police to arrest a person who isn't carrying proof of citizenship because that person simply looks like an illegal immigrant — and this in practice means open season on Latinos. American citizens of Latino descent, if they want to avoid humiliation, will have to carry extensive ID's. Please note, Brad, that a caucasian, even if his family is much newer to Arizona than a mistakenly-arrested Latino, will not be challenged, because he doesn't look like an illegal immigrant. Ignoring this objection to the bill suggests that either you didn't understand the article or you chose to comment on something else.

Posted by: gregh2223 | April 26, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

The Arizona GOP states that police will regcognize illegal aliens by the clothes they wear. I would suggest EVERY Latino in Arizona begin to dress "like an illegal", whatever that means. Or every Latino should wear a white t-shirt that says I'm Illegal. That will drive these brown shirts in Arizon crazy. As for John McCain.....we'll he sold his soul a long time ago to keep his Senate seat.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | April 26, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Latinos living in Arizona should all be required to wear patches on their clothes, like the Jews in 1930's Germany.
If you are an American citizen and Latino in Arizona, you better carry identification papers with you at all times just in case you're stopped by the gestapo, I mean police. As for me...white, blue eyes, and red hair....I don't need no stinking papers.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | April 26, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Latinos living in Arizona should all be required to wear patches on their clothes, like the Jews in 1930's Germany.
If you are an American citizen and Latino in Arizona, you better carry identification papers with you at all times just in case you're stopped by the gestapo, I mean police. As for me...white, blue eyes, and red hair....I don't need no stinking papers.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | April 26, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives having police require any and all of us they merely suspect are illegal immigrants produce proof of citizenship and to "show zare papers" is the ultimate form of BIG GOVERNMENT and is straight out of the Soviet Union and East Germany when the police would constantly stop individuals and demand papers and could be jailed if they weren't carrying the right documentation.
Do conservatives and their BIG GOVERNMENT police forces really want to turn "the land of the free and home of the brave" into the Soviet Union? So much for small-gov Tea Partiers...if they had real principles they would've protested this huge expansion of state police power.

We need to start a protest movement of first, stopping the fascist national I.D., and second, if anyone is stopped and asked "to show their papers" say this is the United States not the Soviet Union and your request is unconstitutional and unlawful.

Not just anti-Mexican...Everyone in Arizona who has Mediterranean ancestry, Italian, Egyptian, North Africa, the Balkans, Southern-France, Spain, and of course Native Americans....better wear lots of sunscreen this summer and watch out from the conservatives' police thugs if they tan too easily.

This anti-immigrant law in AZ demonstrates conservative element in a society are often the ones who have the fascist and racist inclinations b/c they have a may much more strictly defined sense of what it means to be a citizen, are less open to new or different ideas, forms of beliefs, and of course...are less open to newcomers and immigrants.
Joseph Goebbels would have been impressed how some scare tactics brought out conservatives' fascist impulse and enabled a huge expansion of state police power.

Posted by: Civilius | April 26, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives having police require any and all of us they merely suspect are illegal immigrants produce proof of citizenship and to "show zare papers" is the ultimate form of BIG GOVERNMENT and is straight out of the Soviet Union and East Germany when the police would constantly stop individuals and demand papers and could be jailed if they weren't carrying the right documentation.
Do conservatives and their BIG GOVERNMENT police forces really want to turn "the land of the free and home of the brave" into the Soviet Union? So much for small-gov Tea Partiers...if they had real principles they would've protested this huge expansion of state police power.

We need to start a protest movement of first, stopping the fascist national I.D., and second, if anyone is stopped and asked "to show their papers" say this is the United States not the Soviet Union and your request is unconstitutional and unlawful.

Not just anti-Mexican...Everyone in Arizona who has Mediterranean ancestry, Italian, Egyptian, North Africa, the Balkans, Southern-France, Spain, and of course Native Americans....better wear lots of sunscreen this summer and watch out from the conservatives' police thugs if they tan too easily.

This anti-immigrant law in AZ demonstrates conservative element in a society are often the ones who have the fascist and racist inclinations b/c they have a may much more strictly defined sense of what it means to be a citizen, are less open to new or different ideas, forms of beliefs, and of course...are less open to newcomers and immigrants.
Joseph Goebbels would have been impressed how some scare tactics brought out conservatives' fascist impulse and enabled a huge expansion of state police power.

Posted by: Civilius | April 26, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

It is ironic that the type of people who accused our President of being a Nazi, who cry about their freedoms being taken away, and who decry government intrusion into their personal lives support the Gestapo tactics of this law. They have no problem for with the police demanding papers from people who just "look" like illegal immigrants or requiring legal immigrants to carry around proof they are here legally. Does that mean the governor of California will be arrested if he does not carry his papers in AZ?

Posted by: exbrown | April 26, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Mr.Dionne you ar suppose to be an intelligent man.but from what i have been reading about your article,You are a liberal from the left who wihtout reading the new law make an opinion about the law in Arizona and you did the same about the healt care.stop wrinting with your feet and use you brain once in a while if you have some. I read the new law on the Internet and it is not wath your are writing about be honest for once and i know it is very hard for a Liberal to accept. The health care will cost you a lots of money in the long run. I am a former Canadian and I was for it in the 1960.but as the year went by It got worse for aptt it take 6 months to get one for an operation you have to wait one year, in the mean trime you suffer.How abouit having you wife in a room with two other men I don't the American is ready for .Again I feel so sorry for you.Ilike to read your comment on the peoples who protested today and the sign in latino who are those peoples not American they are here illegal don't you understand that. I know like all other LIBERAL you will not read this,and to think that you call yourself an AMERICAN, The Tea Party is good for America.And you forgot some thing
AMERICA was founded on violence for FREEDOM,

Posted by: bsrgil | April 27, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Moving to Houstom in 1971 from Atlanta. One of the first jobs I ever had was at a wholesale nursery. I remember an immigration van pulling up and all of the hispanic workers running!! This was 1972.

I watched the invasion from the south take place and YES it has been an invasion!! It is not that hard to distinguish an ILLEGAL from an Hispanic-American!!! Hispanic-Americans speak ENGLISH, dress like an Americn, oh and fly the AMERICAN flag.

You talk about racist. Mexicans hate Colombians an Colombians hate Central-Americans. Most of the ILLEGALS are of Indian decent,in other words they do not have Spanish blood in them!!

I am wondering how many of you PUNDITS and if the "Speech Giver" have actually read the law?? Hats off to Arizona for actually doing what the Federal "Government Stupid" is supposed to do!!

This has nothing to do with RACE it has everything to do with the LAW!!! The illegals HURT the economy and TAKE away construction,food service and other jobs!! Yes and then lets not forget about committing their share of OTHER
CRIMES!!

Lets see 14 million ILLEGALS and 15 million UN-EMPLOYED!!! The "Government Stupid" has not WANTED to do anything about CLOSING the borders!! or stopping the DRUGS!!! This is all some type of HIDDEN POLITICAL AGENDA!!!!

I have worked along side many illegals. Some nice and some DIRTBAGS!!! The main thing is they are here ILLEGALLY!!!! are not paying tax's and most have NO interest in American Citizenship.

I have always wondewred why in the HELL, do we celebrate Cinco De Mayo!!!!

The country is being divided on PURPOSE and by the new video of the "Speech Giver" going down the list of races to get out and vote, EXCEPT for WHITE men, he is a RACIST!!! and wants a GLOBAL "Government Stupid" The ILLEGALS are being used as PAWNS in the POLITICAL game just like businesses use them as PAWNS in the profit game!!!

So the real EVIL here is not the ILLEGALS but the "Government Stupid's" hidden agenda,the Drug Cartels and the businesses that have NO morals!!!

But lets make the IMMIGRATION problem about ARIZONA and it finally saying we want OUT of this game!!

The ILLEGAL is not the EVIL in this unless they do EVIL it is the "Government Stupid" and POLITICIANS like the RACIST "Speech Giver" who likes to think he will be the greatest President of all time!!! But not for America, as the President of the WORLD!!!

TERM LIMITS NOW !!

FAIR TAX NOW !!

DEATH TO JIHADISTS !!

Posted by: 79USMC83 | April 27, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

The first Constitutional requirement is the defense of the Nation and its people. The Federal Government, now a limp, poor example of its original self, is failing. The CITIZENs of Arizona are in danger, the STATE is trying to protect its LEGAL CITIZENS, that is its job too. Therefore "in the course of their normal duties" officers can confirm an individual's citizenship. Nothing more nothing less. In case you haven't read the law and in case you have not been to the US-Mexican border region lately you probably aren't aware that it has become a very, very dangerous place for LEGAL AMERICAN CITIZENs. So Mr. Dionne, if you can get someone else to protect us then do so, since you can't and do not seem to want to from the safety of your office, I suggest you just stay out of it and let us take care of ourselve.

Posted by: staterighter | April 27, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

There go the Dems and liberals again: opening their mouths without thinking what their own situation is. I love it when they decdlare their state a sanctuary for illegal immigrants and say "We don't have to comply with federal immigration laws! This is a states' rights issue!" But God forbid a state enact its own immigration laws! So where is the difference! If the federal government says it is illegal for a state to enact its own immigration laws, then it must say it is illegal for states to be sanctuaries for illegals: they must comply with federal immigration laws! Oh, but I guess that would not happen, as it flies in the face of the "transparent" Obama administration.

Posted by: bigbyte | April 27, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Are you really this stupid? Have you even read the law? There is no reality to what Dione writes, he is just a left wing loon. The cops in AZ are good and decent people, many of us are Spanish ourselves. This article is disingenuous and inflamatory. Idiot....

Posted by: rrroary | April 27, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Finally someone with the cajones to take some action. Sure beats the spinless mulah in the wh!!!!!!

Posted by: dehowejr | April 27, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Let me see. What groups of people were living here before the europeans came??? HMMMMM LET ME SEE Oh YES, NATIVE AMERICANS, MEXICANS!!!!!...AND WHAT GROUPS OF PEOPLE CAME HERE and in most cases ILLEGALLY inhabited (stole) the land?. OH YES, The PortugUese, Spaniards, English,Germans, French, Hollanders,Danes
So unless you are the descendants of one of the Original peoples who inhabited this wonderful country are descendants of slaves (who were brought here illegally)and you feel other people are here illegally, THEN MAYBE WE SHOULD CONSIDER HAVING YOU DEPORTED FOR BEING HERE ILEGALLY!!

Posted by: gwinston | April 27, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

How do we distinguish an illegal immigrant from Russia, from a legal immigrant from Russia, from the other Slavic-American folks who are citizens? How do we distinguish the Anglo illegal from South Africa from the legal from South Africa from the other millions of Anglos in the world? What is a "reasonable suspicion" that someone is an illegal immigrant, seen from one vehicle while driving another?
Besides, we're all immigrants to start with, except for Native Americans. This Arizona law is about as rational as a law calling for arrest of anyone who looks like a criminal ... whatever that look is.

Posted by: egburton | April 27, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Let me see. What groups of people were living here before the europeans came??? HMMMMM LET ME SEE Oh YES, NATIVE AMERICANS, MEXICANS!!!!!...AND WHAT GROUPS OF PEOPLE CAME HERE and in most cases ILLEGALLY inhabited (stole) the land?. OH YES, The PortugUese, Spaniards, English,Germans, French, Hollanders,Danes
So unless you are the descendants of one of the Original peoples who inhabited this wonderful country are descendants of slaves (who were brought here illegally)and you feel other people are here illegally, THEN MAYBE WE SHOULD CONSIDER HAVING YOU DEPORTED FOR BEING HERE ILEGALLY!!

Posted by: gwinston | April 27, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

By the way, do the State of california Ag enforcement agents on Arizona's Eastern border have to report suspicious persons they might stop while looking for illegal plants?

There is already a report of a trucker with a valid Commercial Drivers License being arrested at a weigh station because he couldn't produce a satisfactory proof of his citizenship. When long haul truckers have to avoid Arizona going to California because they could be arrested for such nonsense the business community will be a bit up in arms, especially if Utah were to decide that it was at least as conservative as Arizona and do the same dumb stunt.

The law runs counter to LOTS of established precedent from supreme court rulings about probable cause, and mere suspicion is NOT probable cause.

Meanwhile, 42% of the voters of Arizona have every reason to vote democrat, and that means that every Republican candidate now needs to carry five of every six White, non Hispanic voters to get elected.

And at least two of those six are libruls from California. (One quarter of Arizona moved there in the last ten years.)

But if you are an Ohio truck driver of Lebanese Maronite descent, you might want to take I 70/I80 to California for the foreseeable future, or buy a Passport ID card through the Post Office. Or both.

Posted by: ceflynline | April 27, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

ceflynline,

the PROBLEM with your DUMB post is that well over 70% of AZ residents APPROVE OF the new immigration law, regardless of race, creed,color,religion or place of national origin.

the MAJORITY still rules in the USA! - this is a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, rather than a regime of the MINORITY of lunatic American LEFTIES.

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 27, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Arizona has it right.
When are Americans going to stand up and get rid of the politicians that pander to illegals.
In Calif. Feinstein and Pelosi pander to illegals,
these two politicians refuse to support the closing of our borders.
Our schools are overcrowded and full of latino gangs , these kids don't want to work.
12% unemployment , Americans don't need to compete with people who will compete for less wages.

Illegals drive up medical costs in a big way. hospitals pass on the financial losses from ILLEGALS SCAMMING FREE SERVICES to Americans

Posted by: mattoleboy | April 28, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

It is interesting to see that most of the the comments that are well thought are mostly against the bill because there is more perspective into reality than those other shorter ones that tend to repeat the same old cliches due to being trapped into their little narcisistic and hypocritical bubbles. On the other hand, there are very litte comments in favor of the bill that are well thought, yet devoid of any human perspective. It is very sad to see how much ignorance there is around us in failing to put ourselves into others' shoes. The lack of human, historical, social, and cultural perspective is astounding. No wonder Arizona and arizonians are mocked by many! Just look at our educational standing in the nation.
Shameful..
nes

Posted by: nelsonorma | April 30, 2010 3:56 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand why people think they can come into our country illegally, and demand all of the rights afforded our legal citizens.

If the federal government were doing its job, protecting its citizens and securing its borders, Arizona would not need to enact this type of legislation.

To call Arizona citizens "racist" is not only unjustified, but skirts the real issue - that the federal government is not doing its job to protect its citizens and secure its borders.

For whatever reason, the federal government is choosing to not enforce its own laws. Because of this, our country now finds itself in a unprecedented situation of vulnerability. As a citizen of Arizona, I am overjoyed that we are finally taking a stand against this injustice and standing up for our own rights as legal citizens.

Posted by: Susan0060 | May 1, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Go Jan Brewer, Go Arizona, Go America. Brewer is an example of true leadership, one who understands what's at stake. The shameful, well we have illegal immigration and those who are willing to sacrafice our nation's sovereignty for their votes and power.

Posted by: jyao77 | May 1, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

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